Quote from: olaftab on July 03, 2017, 12:20:32 PMQuote from: ColinMac on July 03, 2017, 12:18:11 PMDefine a "true Villa fan" Well Ok that's a tall order but a Villa fan will not go on inappropriately rubbing up fellow Villains.If its a tall order to define, then why throw it into the mix, basically he has a diffrent opinion to you.. so what?For the record, i dont like John Terry, think hes a pretty shitty human being, unfortunately hes now signed for the club i support. I dont like it, but its hardly the end of the world.
Quote from: ColinMac on July 03, 2017, 12:18:11 PMDefine a "true Villa fan" Well Ok that's a tall order but a Villa fan will not go on inappropriately rubbing up fellow Villains.
Define a "true Villa fan"
In fact, because it's simpler:http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/13_07_12_r_v_john_terry.pdf - court reportPage 2, paragraph 3:QuoteThe defendant does not deny that he used the words, fuck off, fuck off,fucking black c*** or fucking knobhead. His case is that his words werenot uttered by way of abuse or insult nor were they intended to be abusive orinsulting. Will you now give it a rest, he admitted to saying the words but argued over intent. from a moral standpoint calling someone a "fucking black C**t" is clearly racist but from a legal standpoint it's difficult to prove.
The defendant does not deny that he used the words, fuck off, fuck off,fucking black c*** or fucking knobhead. His case is that his words werenot uttered by way of abuse or insult nor were they intended to be abusive orinsulting.
Please bring this up to prove me wrong in May. Please.It will all end in tears, recriminations and another 100 plus page thread.
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Any news on what he'll be earning?
Quote from: Nev on July 03, 2017, 11:21:46 AMPlease bring this up to prove me wrong in May. Please.It will all end in tears, recriminations and another 100 plus page thread.On the plus side: I'd say Terry and Bruce will be long gone in 12 months. Welcome, FKW.
Quote from: paul_e on July 03, 2017, 12:18:51 PMIn fact, because it's simpler:http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/13_07_12_r_v_john_terry.pdf - court reportPage 2, paragraph 3:QuoteThe defendant does not deny that he used the words, fuck off, fuck off,fucking black c*** or fucking knobhead. His case is that his words werenot uttered by way of abuse or insult nor were they intended to be abusive orinsulting. Will you now give it a rest, he admitted to saying the words but argued over intent. from a moral standpoint calling someone a "fucking black C**t" is clearly racist but from a legal standpoint it's difficult to prove.It's worth reading the whole thing for context, but it wasn't just that he said the words in question but didn't mean them as an insult. He said them (he said) because he was repeating them back to Anton Ferdinand denying he'd said them - ie "I didn't call you a black c***".Given the expert evidence, he had little choice but to accept saying it, and provided a defence that fitted the clear fact that he did so (true or not).The judge was clearly very suspicious, but it seemed Ferdinand wasn't a very impressive witness and it boiled down to: In those circumstances, there being a doubt, the only verdict the court can record is one of not guilty.In other words, he wasn't convicted because the judge wasn't sure to the criminal standard. Personally I think he got away with it.