John Terry - Gone

[Axl Rose]

Define a "true Villa fan"

Well Ok that's a tall order but a Villa fan will not go on inappropriately  rubbing up fellow Villains.

If its a tall order to define, then why throw it into the mix, basically he has a diffrent opinion to you.. so what?

For the record, i dont like John Terry, think hes a pretty shitty human being, unfortunately hes now signed for the club i support.  I dont like it, but its hardly the end of the world.

I for one think he defined it quite articulately-what Villa fan would set out to deliberately irritate fellow fans? It's bizarre. And in av5nobs' case, it's non stop.

[Joe S]

Will there need to be a one minute applause at the 26 minute mark??
It's official - can be seen stretching a shirt on the official site.

[Joe S]

Stttttrrrreeeetch!!




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[Hopadop]

In fact, because it's simpler:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/13_07_12_r_v_john_terry.pdf - court report

Page 2, paragraph 3:

The defendant does not deny that he used the words, “fuck off, fuck off”,
“fucking black c***” or “fucking knobhead”. His case is that his words were
not uttered by way of abuse or insult nor were they intended to be abusive or
insulting.

Will you now give it a rest, he admitted to saying the words but argued over intent.  from a moral standpoint calling someone a "fucking black C**t" is clearly racist but from a legal standpoint it's difficult to prove.

It's worth reading the whole thing for context, but it wasn't just that he said the words in question but didn't mean them as an insult. He said them (he said) because he was repeating them back to Anton Ferdinand denying he'd said them - ie "I didn't call you a black c***".

Given the expert evidence, he had little choice but to accept saying it, and provided a defence that fitted the clear fact that he did so (true or not).

The judge was clearly very suspicious, but it seemed Ferdinand wasn't a very impressive witness and it boiled down to: In those circumstances, there being a doubt, the only verdict the court can record is one of not guilty.

In other words, he wasn't convicted because the judge wasn't sure to the criminal standard. Personally I think he got away with it.

[KevinGage]

Please bring this up to prove me wrong in May. Please.

It will all end in tears, recriminations and another 100 plus page thread.

On the plus side: I'd say Terry and Bruce will be long gone in 12 months.

Welcome, FKW.

[AV5nobs]

Lead us back to the Premiership John.

[Hopadop]

Stttttrrrreeeetch!!




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<Tunnel vision>Those colours are totally wrong

[Clampy]

I can't remember the last time a transfer triggered such a response as this. Not a move I would have made but let's hope it turns out to be a masterstroke.

[Jon Crofts]

Any news on what he'll be earning? 

Considerably more than yow.

(And me)

[paul_e]

Absolutely, I just focused on the very specific bit where he admitted to saying everything he was accused of which was what I was asked to do.

[Holte L2]

Welcome Terry. looking forward to seeing him organise that defence.  Impressive signing!

[Axl Rose]

Please bring this up to prove me wrong in May. Please.

It will all end in tears, recriminations and another 100 plus page thread.

On the plus side: I'd say Terry and Bruce will be long gone in 12 months.

Welcome, FKW.

That image has cheered me up somewhat.

The full kit wanker. Haha

[ROBBO]

Having Terry join may make it easier to attract other players.

[KevinGage]

In fact, because it's simpler:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/13_07_12_r_v_john_terry.pdf - court report

Page 2, paragraph 3:

The defendant does not deny that he used the words, “fuck off, fuck off”,
“fucking black c***” or “fucking knobhead”. His case is that his words were
not uttered by way of abuse or insult nor were they intended to be abusive or
insulting.

Will you now give it a rest, he admitted to saying the words but argued over intent.  from a moral standpoint calling someone a "fucking black C**t" is clearly racist but from a legal standpoint it's difficult to prove.

It's worth reading the whole thing for context, but it wasn't just that he said the words in question but didn't mean them as an insult. He said them (he said) because he was repeating them back to Anton Ferdinand denying he'd said them - ie "I didn't call you a black c***".

Given the expert evidence, he had little choice but to accept saying it, and provided a defence that fitted the clear fact that he did so (true or not).

The judge was clearly very suspicious, but it seemed Ferdinand wasn't a very impressive witness and it boiled down to: In those circumstances, there being a doubt, the only verdict the court can record is one of not guilty.

In other words, he wasn't convicted because the judge wasn't sure to the criminal standard. Personally I think he got away with it.

It was always a bit weak, wasn't it.

He was just clarifying what was said -really aggressively.  And on at least two occasions.

So in the heat of an argument- after Ferdinand had already insulted him- he was more concerned with Anton Ferdinand not getting the wrong impression?

Rather than saying something like: "I didn't call you a black so and so you thick cxnt, and if you carry on like that, I'll fill you in."

Sorry, it just doesn't scan.

[Brend'Watkins]

Well, the signing has made the 1 pm news headlines. Can't remember the last time we had a signing that did this. Let's see what they have to say...