Quote from: Mister E on June 30, 2017, 11:05:55 AMQuote from: paul_e on June 30, 2017, 10:23:20 AMOn topic, I'm resigned to this happening now but I'm very worried that it will backfire because I honestly don't think he'll be able to play enough games to be worth the cost.That said, on the positive side at least it's a good bit of dick swinging. We're the biggest club in this league by a long way and that should involve us convincing players who are too good for this division to give us a season and help us get out of it, that's why I didn't like the strategy of signing decent players from this level. Someone like Chester who had played a fair few games in the premier league the year before and shown he belonged there was a great signing and, unsurprisingly he was one of the genuinely successful signings last year. Taylor (despite my reservations) started to look like another as did Jedinak. Of the signings from the championship only Kodjia looked anything like what we expected. Signing players who are too good for where we are is the best way to stop being here and whilst I don't know if Terry is that he sends a signal that we can attract players who are perceived to be better than where we are.As you say, looks like it's happening.I think the critical issue with JT is not so much his fitness - it's clear that we won't get 50 games out of him - but his attitude. If he is coming to Villa to serve an apprenticeship into coaching and management and he takes that seriously, we may find that he will knock some current egos into shape and we'll see a more purposeful and focussed squad. If - au contraire - he is simply here for the money and as a career wind-down, it'll be a nightmare.Will we get the serious and focussed pro or King John with the gargantuan ego and golden boots?The encouraging thing for me is that there would have been far easier options than us if he was just taking the money and winding down.
Quote from: paul_e on June 30, 2017, 10:23:20 AMOn topic, I'm resigned to this happening now but I'm very worried that it will backfire because I honestly don't think he'll be able to play enough games to be worth the cost.That said, on the positive side at least it's a good bit of dick swinging. We're the biggest club in this league by a long way and that should involve us convincing players who are too good for this division to give us a season and help us get out of it, that's why I didn't like the strategy of signing decent players from this level. Someone like Chester who had played a fair few games in the premier league the year before and shown he belonged there was a great signing and, unsurprisingly he was one of the genuinely successful signings last year. Taylor (despite my reservations) started to look like another as did Jedinak. Of the signings from the championship only Kodjia looked anything like what we expected. Signing players who are too good for where we are is the best way to stop being here and whilst I don't know if Terry is that he sends a signal that we can attract players who are perceived to be better than where we are.As you say, looks like it's happening.I think the critical issue with JT is not so much his fitness - it's clear that we won't get 50 games out of him - but his attitude. If he is coming to Villa to serve an apprenticeship into coaching and management and he takes that seriously, we may find that he will knock some current egos into shape and we'll see a more purposeful and focussed squad. If - au contraire - he is simply here for the money and as a career wind-down, it'll be a nightmare.Will we get the serious and focussed pro or King John with the gargantuan ego and golden boots?
On topic, I'm resigned to this happening now but I'm very worried that it will backfire because I honestly don't think he'll be able to play enough games to be worth the cost.That said, on the positive side at least it's a good bit of dick swinging. We're the biggest club in this league by a long way and that should involve us convincing players who are too good for this division to give us a season and help us get out of it, that's why I didn't like the strategy of signing decent players from this level. Someone like Chester who had played a fair few games in the premier league the year before and shown he belonged there was a great signing and, unsurprisingly he was one of the genuinely successful signings last year. Taylor (despite my reservations) started to look like another as did Jedinak. Of the signings from the championship only Kodjia looked anything like what we expected. Signing players who are too good for where we are is the best way to stop being here and whilst I don't know if Terry is that he sends a signal that we can attract players who are perceived to be better than where we are.
Djemba Djemba tested my patience.
I've never hated a Villa player before. 😔
He'll get my support.And if (I appreciate it's a pretty big if) he starts putting in heart on the sleeve dominant performances for us, I think the rest of you will come round to it pretty quickly too. If he inspires us to promotion, people will be singing his praises.It could certainly end up as another Lescott / Richards type move, but for now I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and hope it turns out to be inspired.
Quote from: chrisw1 on June 30, 2017, 12:50:32 PMHe'll get my support.And if (I appreciate it's a pretty big if) he starts putting in heart on the sleeve dominant performances for us, I think the rest of you will come round to it pretty quickly too. If he inspires us to promotion, people will be singing his praises.It could certainly end up as another Lescott / Richards type move, but for now I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and hope it turns out to be inspired.Terry is a vastly superior player to Lescott and Richards with a vastly superior mentality and attitude.
Quote from: montague on June 30, 2017, 01:18:47 PMQuote from: chrisw1 on June 30, 2017, 12:50:32 PMHe'll get my support.And if (I appreciate it's a pretty big if) he starts putting in heart on the sleeve dominant performances for us, I think the rest of you will come round to it pretty quickly too. If he inspires us to promotion, people will be singing his praises.It could certainly end up as another Lescott / Richards type move, but for now I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and hope it turns out to be inspired.Terry is a vastly superior player to Lescott and Richards with a vastly superior mentality and attitude.He is, that's why my comparison on this thread has always been Pires who had an excellent career and a brilliant attitude but was just too old when he joined. Shay Given is another decent example as well.
Quote from: paul_e on June 30, 2017, 01:27:59 PMQuote from: montague on June 30, 2017, 01:18:47 PMQuote from: chrisw1 on June 30, 2017, 12:50:32 PMHe'll get my support.And if (I appreciate it's a pretty big if) he starts putting in heart on the sleeve dominant performances for us, I think the rest of you will come round to it pretty quickly too. If he inspires us to promotion, people will be singing his praises.It could certainly end up as another Lescott / Richards type move, but for now I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and hope it turns out to be inspired.Terry is a vastly superior player to Lescott and Richards with a vastly superior mentality and attitude.He is, that's why my comparison on this thread has always been Pires who had an excellent career and a brilliant attitude but was just too old when he joined. Shay Given is another decent example as well.These examples are pointless though. How old was Sheringham when he scored 20 goals for West Ham? Or McAllister when he went to Liverpool?We have absolutely no idea how JT will perform. But is is certainly possible he will be a great asset.
Quote from: chrisw1 on June 30, 2017, 02:21:47 PMQuote from: paul_e on June 30, 2017, 01:27:59 PMQuote from: montague on June 30, 2017, 01:18:47 PMQuote from: chrisw1 on June 30, 2017, 12:50:32 PMHe'll get my support.And if (I appreciate it's a pretty big if) he starts putting in heart on the sleeve dominant performances for us, I think the rest of you will come round to it pretty quickly too. If he inspires us to promotion, people will be singing his praises.It could certainly end up as another Lescott / Richards type move, but for now I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and hope it turns out to be inspired.Terry is a vastly superior player to Lescott and Richards with a vastly superior mentality and attitude.He is, that's why my comparison on this thread has always been Pires who had an excellent career and a brilliant attitude but was just too old when he joined. Shay Given is another decent example as well.These examples are pointless though. How old was Sheringham when he scored 20 goals for West Ham? Or McAllister when he went to Liverpool?We have absolutely no idea how JT will perform. But is is certainly possible he will be a great asset.Isn't it equally as certainly possible he'll be the equivalent of setting fire to £5m in the Holte End car park whilst simultaneously pissing off the rest of the squad and alienating a big chunk of the fan base?
My next door neighbours are black and there 12 year old son is very excited at the thought of JT wearing our claret and blue, and he's aware of the whole racist remarks.