Quote from: SoccerHQ on June 24, 2017, 11:03:36 PMBoycotting is a little too far for me but each to their own.It's not like he's going to be with us for years and years, 2 years maximum, more likely just a year to get us up.Did anyone boycott when Bannan got done for drink driving and still continued to play for us? Stan Collymore?I already feel disconnected from the club for the monumental cock ups they've made on a yearly basis since 2010 so think I can withstand us signing yet another dodgy character who might actually help get us going and winning on the pitch and help to slowly get us back to where we should be.I appreciate what you're saying and drink driving is a horrendous thing to do. I guess for me there are two things that make this situation different. One, very personal reason, is that I've recently had a child. I feel it's my responsibility to him to show him that racism is absolutely not okay. To bring him up supporting a team with John Terry in suggests that what I'm actually saying is "racism is bad but if you're good at football it'll all be alright in the end". If the drink driving thing happened now, I would probably see this differently. Secondly, and much more morally dubious, is that Bannan committed his crime while he was playing for us. We were stuck with him until we could get rid of him. With Terry, we know what he's like and we're still actively trying to get him to play for us. That, to me, makes it much worse.
Boycotting is a little too far for me but each to their own.It's not like he's going to be with us for years and years, 2 years maximum, more likely just a year to get us up.Did anyone boycott when Bannan got done for drink driving and still continued to play for us? Stan Collymore?I already feel disconnected from the club for the monumental cock ups they've made on a yearly basis since 2010 so think I can withstand us signing yet another dodgy character who might actually help get us going and winning on the pitch and help to slowly get us back to where we should be.
Quote from: boozey182 on June 24, 2017, 11:18:30 PMQuote from: SoccerHQ on June 24, 2017, 11:03:36 PMBoycotting is a little too far for me but each to their own.It's not like he's going to be with us for years and years, 2 years maximum, more likely just a year to get us up.Did anyone boycott when Bannan got done for drink driving and still continued to play for us? Stan Collymore?I already feel disconnected from the club for the monumental cock ups they've made on a yearly basis since 2010 so think I can withstand us signing yet another dodgy character who might actually help get us going and winning on the pitch and help to slowly get us back to where we should be.I appreciate what you're saying and drink driving is a horrendous thing to do. I guess for me there are two things that make this situation different. One, very personal reason, is that I've recently had a child. I feel it's my responsibility to him to show him that racism is absolutely not okay. To bring him up supporting a team with John Terry in suggests that what I'm actually saying is "racism is bad but if you're good at football it'll all be alright in the end". If the drink driving thing happened now, I would probably see this differently. Secondly, and much more morally dubious, is that Bannan committed his crime while he was playing for us. We were stuck with him until we could get rid of him. With Terry, we know what he's like and we're still actively trying to get him to play for us. That, to me, makes it much worse.Other than the Ferdinand incident I don't remember any other racist incidents involving Terry though.
How do you know he hasn't changed? Do you believe someone should be punished for their misdemeanours for ever?
Quote from: saunders_heroes on June 24, 2017, 11:27:31 PMHow do you know he hasn't changed? Do you believe someone should be punished for their misdemeanours for ever?No. Just for the record, I don't want him punished. But I don't believe my club should make someone that has been guilty of that one of their highest paid players. Sorry if that wasn't clear.
Quote from: boozey182 on June 24, 2017, 11:29:39 PMQuote from: saunders_heroes on June 24, 2017, 11:27:31 PMHow do you know he hasn't changed? Do you believe someone should be punished for their misdemeanours for ever?No. Just for the record, I don't want him punished. But I don't believe my club should make someone that has been guilty of that one of their highest paid players. Sorry if that wasn't clear.Well he was found guilty by the FA but not guilty by a court of law which suggests the racist thing isn't as clear cut as people are making out.
If 2nd division Aston Villa signed one of the best forwards in the world, I think you'd be telling prokies if you weren't excited to see him score goals and also eat an apple through a tennis racket.
Quote from: Ads on June 24, 2017, 07:56:02 PMIf 2nd division Aston Villa signed one of the best forwards in the world, I think you'd be telling prokies if you weren't excited to see him score goals and also eat an apple through a tennis racket.I, for one, am shocked that right wing Tory-voting members of this forum have a laissez-faire attitude towards racism.
Quote from: cdbullyweefan on June 24, 2017, 11:45:23 PMQuote from: Ads on June 24, 2017, 07:56:02 PMIf 2nd division Aston Villa signed one of the best forwards in the world, I think you'd be telling prokies if you weren't excited to see him score goals and also eat an apple through a tennis racket.I, for one, am shocked that right wing Tory-voting members of this forum have a laissez-faire attitude towards racism. Oh come on he's hardly a rabble rouser like Tommy Robinson uploading racist rants onto YouTube now is he, he's a footballer who said an alledged racist insult in the heat of the moment in a PL football match. A bit of perspective eh?
Quote from: saunders_heroes on June 24, 2017, 11:36:16 PMQuote from: boozey182 on June 24, 2017, 11:29:39 PMQuote from: saunders_heroes on June 24, 2017, 11:27:31 PMHow do you know he hasn't changed? Do you believe someone should be punished for their misdemeanours for ever?No. Just for the record, I don't want him punished. But I don't believe my club should make someone that has been guilty of that one of their highest paid players. Sorry if that wasn't clear.Well he was found guilty by the FA but not guilty by a court of law which suggests the racist thing isn't as clear cut as people are making out. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/chelsea/9398132/John-Terry-found-not-guilty-of-racism-the-verdict-in-full.htmlHe maintained he said it because he was accused of it.... not the most convincing defence. I don't think he can be defended on it.
Quote from: saunders_heroes on June 24, 2017, 11:52:07 PMQuote from: cdbullyweefan on June 24, 2017, 11:45:23 PMQuote from: Ads on June 24, 2017, 07:56:02 PMIf 2nd division Aston Villa signed one of the best forwards in the world, I think you'd be telling prokies if you weren't excited to see him score goals and also eat an apple through a tennis racket.I, for one, am shocked that right wing Tory-voting members of this forum have a laissez-faire attitude towards racism. Oh come on he's hardly a rabble rouser like Tommy Robinson uploading racist rants onto YouTube now is he, he's a footballer who said an alledged racist insult in the heat of the moment in a PL football match. A bit of perspective eh?Alleged?? I am not having that. He admitted to saying it.