Bruce Sacked at last (now official)

[Toronto Villa]

Listening to TalkSport and they are discussing us. They are talking about the risk of hiring a new manager now. But what they fail to mention is when someone like Bruce has had a full pre season and then gets off to an horrendous start just like RDM did and Bruce last season.
So it relates to us, it can go either way. The question becomes is Henry the correct appointment or is there someone else who would be better and more experienced?

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The risks:

Unproven - we just don't know what he is capable of as he's never had the opportunity to succeed or fail.

Tactical knowledge - I've never been overly impressed with his acumen.

Positives:

Personality - He will command some respect given he was a great player. His right paw on Hogan's shoulder telling him he's a top player will flood confidence ,no doubt.

Nerd Knowledge -he's a bit of an anorak apparently, having bored Luakaku about obscure 2nd division German footballers.

This is a monumental risk, far above what we've taken on before. He may well be progressive in his approach. It's hard to imagine a disciple of Wenger and an acolyte of Martinez being anything but an exponent of the beautiful game.

Crikey. We would need some brains about him. Agnew and Calderwood I'd keep and then somebody to do the Steve Holland role for tactical changes in-game.

Huge risk. Absolutely huge.

[Drummond]

It's on....

That's a pretty big shift from your "Bruce is going nowhere", "we can't afford £7 million to sack him" and "no intent to sack Bruce" claimsAre our owners completely indecisivenfo? Or maybe they found £7 million down the back of the sofa? Or perhaps some ITKs aren't actually ITK at all.

Or maybe his ITK is just that, and someone has informed him of a change of thinking by the new owners after being informed just how poor Steve Bruce has performed given the remit he had and failed to bring it to fruition with the best squad in Championship history.  Don't shoot the messenger.

Oh please.

You aren't seriously suggesting that these meek, timid naive billionaires have had a change of heart having slept on it over the weekend?  They know exactly what they are doing and what they want.  If Bruce was staying or if he was going, it would have been decided way before any of us had heard about the 2 new guys coming on board.

Me and Cheltenham don't particularly get on, but you are being hugely unfair here.  Nobody with an inside track can be 100% right and things are obviously moving fast at the club right now.  I've found his insights are usually pretty accurate and it would be a shame if he was reluctant to share them because of comments like yours.

I'm sure that Chelts is a big boy and will not allow my comments to influence his future posts.

I don't believe that I am being unfair.  Chelts posted nothing of substance EXCEPT that Bruce would be categorically staying.  He bizarrely told us that Grealish would be leaving and that Spurs would be paying our asking price - How could he possibly have known what Spurs would be prepared to pay?

The trouble with many ITKs is that they hear a little snippet (that more often than not is incorrect anyway) and then add cherries on top to appear more convincing.  If they are happy to do this on open forums then surely you accept that they are leaving themselves open to criticism if the information they post turns out to be inaccurate?

Personally, I appreciate all bits of gossip about Villa, regardless of the source  but I'd convinced myself pretty early on that Chelts didn't have any info in this particular instance.

And Bruce has stayed for 2 months after the play-off defeat. And then we got new investment, who own a majority share so as of Friday they call the shots.

As for the Grealish story, he's been going to Spurs for months. There's now potential for that, again, to change. Because that's how life and business is.

There's no point in you calling bullshit and alleging embellishment of stories, unless of course you're just a teensy-weensy bit jealous as you know fuck-all.

[mr underhill]

We are still speculating though arten't we? I mean Henry has not yet been officially presented as our new head beard?

[john e]

This is crazy. This could so badly wrong.

Personally, I think it could go badly wrong with Bruce in charge as well.  If the football is an improvement, then I'm happy to take my chances.

it’s already gone badly wrong with Bruce in charge

[Toronto Villa]

I’m happy to give a new manager time. I don’t want to give Bruce any more.

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[Duncan Shaw]

This is crazy. This could so badly wrong.

Personally, I think it could go badly wrong with Bruce in charge as well.  If the football is an improvement, then I'm happy to take my chances.

it’s already gone badly wrong with Bruce in charge

Yes, but then loads of people saying last season was our most enjoyable for years!

[john e]

The risks:

Unproven - we just don't know what he is capable of as he's never had the opportunity to succeed or fail.

Tactical knowledge - I've never been overly impressed with his acumen.

Positives:

Personality - He will command some respect given he was a great player. His right paw on Hogan's shoulder telling him he's a top player will flood confidence ,no doubt.

Nerd Knowledge -he's a bit of an anorak apparently, having bored Luakaku about obscure 2nd division German footballers.

This is a monumental risk, far above what we've taken on before. He may well be progressive in his approach. It's hard to imagine a disciple of Wenger and an acolyte of Martinez being anything but an exponent of the beautiful game.

Crikey. We would need some brains about him. Agnew and Calderwood I'd keep and then somebody to do the Steve Holland role for tactical changes in-game.

Huge risk. Absolutely huge.

I’d still take the huge risk on the basis of your post re Wenger and Martinez

might be something worth watching in B6 at last

[Ad@m]

This is crazy. This could so badly wrong.

Personally, I think it could go badly wrong with Bruce in charge as well.  If the football is an improvement, then I'm happy to take my chances.

it’s already gone badly wrong with Bruce in charge

Yes, but then loads of people saying last season was our most enjoyable for years!

Damning with faint praise!!!

[john e]

This is crazy. This could so badly wrong.

Personally, I think it could go badly wrong with Bruce in charge as well.  If the football is an improvement, then I'm happy to take my chances.

it’s already gone badly wrong with Bruce in charge

Yes, but then loads of people saying last season was our most enjoyable for years!

all of about 3 people all massive pro Bruce believers

[Toronto Villa]

This is crazy. This could so badly wrong.

Personally, I think it could go badly wrong with Bruce in charge as well.  If the football is an improvement, then I'm happy to take my chances.

it’s already gone badly wrong with Bruce in charge

Yes, but then loads of people saying last season was our most enjoyable for years!

Relatively speaking when you’ve had the previous 6 or 7 like we had then it was. But he still failed over the course of 81 games and essentially two seasons to get us up.

[Brassneck]

I’m happy to give a new manager time. I don’t want to give Bruce any more.

This is exactly where I am.  The "Bruce way" is dated and predictable.  Villa should not be setting up not to lose in any Championship game.

A change of manager also indicates that there will be some new players joining.  I think we'll see a few loans as well after the window shuts.

[paul_e]

The risks:

Unproven - we just don't know what he is capable of as he's never had the opportunity to succeed or fail.

Tactical knowledge - I've never been overly impressed with his acumen.

Positives:

Personality - He will command some respect given he was a great player. His right paw on Hogan's shoulder telling him he's a top player will flood confidence ,no doubt.

Nerd Knowledge -he's a bit of an anorak apparently, having bored Luakaku about obscure 2nd division German footballers.

This is a monumental risk, far above what we've taken on before. He may well be progressive in his approach. It's hard to imagine a disciple of Wenger and an acolyte of Martinez being anything but an exponent of the beautiful game.

Crikey. We would need some brains about him. Agnew and Calderwood I'd keep and then somebody to do the Steve Holland role for tactical changes in-game.

Huge risk. Absolutely huge.

Played under Pep as well.  Not so bothered about Martinez (who is ok but nothing more in my opinion) but Wenger and Guardiola are 2 of the best managers of this generation and I think it would be hard to play under them and not pick up something. Better yet going from Wenger's pretty but often ineffective style to the pretty and brutally efficient style of Guardiola would be a big eye-opener.

[Ger Regan]

Bruce Out is a valid position to hold (and is where I've been at for some time). I take issue with Henry In being the only alternative option.