Bruce Sacked at last (now official)

[ChicagoLion]

I don't think Bruce hasthe imagination or mental agility to get results from young, cheap untried players.  He is a big budget manager.  There will not be a big budget next year if we stay down.

This is the big call, keeping Bruce would potentially mean less disruption to the squad against continuing with his obvious limitations, particularly concerning player development.

[Chris Smith]

I’m not sure how Bruce is a big budget manager given his previous promotions have been achieved without a big budget. In fact if Bruce wasn’t our manager right now, if we didn’t get promotion with whoever was and he was available next season given our FFP challenges I’d say he’d be a decent choice.

I think he is exactly the same as every other manager in football, each of them will spend to the limit of what they are allowed to by the club. It would be negligent to do otherwise, imagine the outcry if fans found out that a manager had turned down the opportunity to spend and then the team were perceived to have underachieved.

[Clampy]

I wouldnt call Bruce a big budget manager either. It's hardly a label that's been constantly levellled at him throughout his managerial career.

[tony scott]

Mr Wynss has stated we are building three different teams I assume Steve Bruce was brought in to achieve the first phase ;so if we are promoted we will be looking at a new management team to go to phase 2.  Ironically I think we will keep him for next season if we don’t go up.  The only fly in the ointment I see, is the chairman’s great admiration for Steve, which would make it very difficult for him to implement phase 2.

[Allan C]

Mr Wynss has stated we are building three different teams I assume Steve Bruce was brought in to achieve the first phase ;so if we are promoted we will be looking at a new management team to go to phase 2.  Ironically I think we will keep him for next season if we don’t go up.  The only fly in the ointment I see, is the chairman’s great admiration for Steve, which would make it very difficult for him to implement phase 2.

The so called “phase two” manager with Bruce’s “phase one” players??

[AsTallAsLions]

I’m not sure how Bruce is a big budget manager given his previous promotions have been achieved without a big budget. In fact if Bruce wasn’t our manager right now, if we didn’t get promotion with whoever was and he was available next season given our FFP challenges I’d say he’d be a decent choice.

I think he is exactly the same as every other manager in football, each of them will spend to the limit of what they are allowed to by the club. It would be negligent to do otherwise, imagine the outcry if fans found out that a manager had turned down the opportunity to spend and then the team were perceived to have underachieved.

? Arsene Wenger ?

[Chris Smith]

I’m not sure how Bruce is a big budget manager given his previous promotions have been achieved without a big budget. In fact if Bruce wasn’t our manager right now, if we didn’t get promotion with whoever was and he was available next season given our FFP challenges I’d say he’d be a decent choice.

I think he is exactly the same as every other manager in football, each of them will spend to the limit of what they are allowed to by the club. It would be negligent to do otherwise, imagine the outcry if fans found out that a manager had turned down the opportunity to spend and then the team were perceived to have underachieved.

? Arsene Wenger ?

Not sure if the double questions marks signify agreement or not but there have been anti Wenger protests at most of their recent matches.

[Chris Jameson]

He has underused the youth players, i think that's clear and that's why i don't think he's right for a job of building a team around them.

Keep seeing this accusation levelled at him, I’ve never watched the youth team but I assume those who accuse him of this have spent a lot of time watching them?

I've seen enough of o'hare to know he deserved a chance ahead of a completely out of form Onomah a while back, I've seen enough of RHM to know he should be a big part of the squad and I've seen enough of 2-3 others to know that they're too good for the U23s but are stuck because we won't let them out on loan and won't pick them for the seniors.

Fair enough, you obviously attend the reserve/youth matches so are far more qualified to comment.

[Clampy]

I don't think O'Hare is ready yet, he needs a season out on loan somewhere. RHM has been out for most of the season so he wasn't available anyway.

[Chris Jameson]

RHM has been out for most of the season so he wasn't available anyway.

He was back in the squad once he was fit again, when Bruce has played young players there were plenty who deemed the likes of Green and Davies as not good enough after a handful of games.

[Clampy]

RHM has been out for most of the season so he wasn't available anyway.

He was back in the squad once he was fit again, when Bruce has played young players there were plenty who deemed the likes of Green and Davies as not good enough after a handful of games.

And Green was a regular around the squad until he got injured.

[Risso]

I don't think O'Hare is ready yet, he needs a season out on loan somewhere. RHM has been out for most of the season so he wasn't available anyway.

What are you basing that on?

[Chris Jameson]

RHM has been out for most of the season so he wasn't available anyway.

He was back in the squad once he was fit again, when Bruce has played young players there were plenty who deemed the likes of Green and Davies as not good enough after a handful of games.

And Green was a regular around the squad until he got injured.

He was indeed, wasn't it reported recently that O'Hare isn't quite ready but rather than loan him out they want him around  the first team squad?

[Clampy]

I don't think O'Hare is ready yet, he needs a season out on loan somewhere. RHM has been out for most of the season so he wasn't available anyway.

What are you basing that on?

From what I've seen of him, he looks a bit lightweight. I just don't think he was quite ready to be thrown in. Besides, it doesn't do young players any harm going out on loan.

[paul_e]

He has underused the youth players, i think that's clear and that's why i don't think he's right for a job of building a team around them.

Keep seeing this accusation levelled at him, I’ve never watched the youth team but I assume those who accuse him of this have spent a lot of time watching them?

I've seen enough of o'hare to know he deserved a chance ahead of a completely out of form Onomah a while back, I've seen enough of RHM to know he should be a big part of the squad and I've seen enough of 2-3 others to know that they're too good for the U23s but are stuck because we won't let them out on loan and won't pick them for the seniors.

Fair enough, you obviously attend the reserve/youth matches so are far more qualified to comment.

Not a huge number but I go to them more often than the first team games because Tuesday evening and Saturdays are the 2 times that I can't watch games, I haven't been for a couple of months though.

Clampy, I don't disagree but O'Hare wasn't allowed out on loan because he was on the fringes of the first team and then he got no game whilst Onomah kept getting chance after chance in a position he's not suited to.  Once we decided not to let him out in January he should've been given game time.

RHM I agree which is why I said he should be rather than he should have been.

Aside from those 2 I'd like to see Doyle-Hayes, Clark and Suliman all get time around the first team squad.  The latter 2 in particular would benefit from seeing how Terry approaches games even if they only make the bench here and there.

The key thing with young players is that, in my opinion, once they look ready you're already too late, they should be around the squad earlier than that, waiting for them to have a spectacular loan spell or a brilliant run of form in the reserves means that when they're technically ready to be around the first team they pushed into a new environment and new pressures and many of thme struggle with it.  Introducing them slowly with 10-15minute appearances from the bench when you think they're still 12months away from challenging for a regular place gives them a proper taste of that atmosphere and lets you see how they respond to it.  As soon as they look comfortable in the U23s I'd start getting them around the first team and looking for the ones who respond to it with more effort and desire.

This isn't a criticism of Bruce, I think English football in general has a problem with it because so many clubs and fans see the solution to any problem as being to buy a new player in and spend all the money you can on filling the squad with players who have established themselves elsewhere.