Forest v Villa Post-Match Thread

[Ads]

If I was giving you shit, then its because I didn't agree with you.

I'm still not sure what you're on about. I'm annoyed we lost. I'm annoyed at the poor form this past month. I am pleased we created plenty away from home for the first time in a long time.

[Simon Page]

AND IF your manager comes on and says yes weve given up on the play offs. That sends out such a positive prospective.

I know. I neither want nor expect him to state he's given up on promotion this season. It was an expression of hope that a longer term plan is emerging than a desire for Bruce to say anything. I've always preferred the Saunders silence to the constant clamour for interview inanities.

[LukeJames]

Well unless we nosedive down the division or Dr Tony has a change of heart during the summer, it looks like he'll be here for a while. That's best all round as far as i'm concerned.

I don't know how you, or anybody else for that matter, could watch us over the past few months and come to the conclusion that the best thing all round is for more of the same.

[Clampy]

Well unless we nosedive down the division or Dr Tony has a change of heart during the summer, it looks like he'll be here for a while. That's best all round as far as i'm concerned.

I don't know how you, or anybody else for that matter, could watch us over the past few months and come to the conclusion that the best thing all round is for more of the same.

I just think stability would be good. We're on our 4th manager since Lambert left. He's brought in his own players and he's got a track record for getting teams up. Why not see where it goes before having more upheaval?

[PeterWithesShin]

Stability is only any use if the manager is worth persevering with. I'm very much hoping Bruce is, but if he isn't then sticking with him just because we've gone through a lot of managers recently won't do us any good long or short term.

[Chris Smith]

Stability is only any use if the manager is worth persevering with. I'm very much hoping Bruce is, but if he isn't then sticking with him just because we've gone through a lot of managers recently won't do us any good long or short term.

Of course, but there really is only one way to find out if he is worth sticking with

[LukeJames]

I agree that we could do with stability but it has to be the right kind of stability and not just stability for the sake of it, if anything the fact that Bruce is changing formation from one game to the next shows the man himself not to have stability,  we desperately need to see signs that we are onto something and unfortunately our results and performances show that we are'nt.

[PeterWithesShin]

Stability is only any use if the manager is worth persevering with. I'm very much hoping Bruce is, but if he isn't then sticking with him just because we've gone through a lot of managers recently won't do us any good long or short term.

Of course, but there really is only one way to find out if he is worth sticking with

Well obviously, but some make it sound like it doesn't matter what we do for the rest of the season, Bruce should start next season. I disagree with that, for me he's got to show between now and the end of the season that he and his coaches are the ones that will take us up next year.

[paul_e]

The way to find out whether anyone is worth sticking with is setting them short, medium and long term goals and if they fail at any point then you move on.  Our short term goal when he came in should've been top 10 as an absolute minimum (that's below what I'd have set him but I'm trying to cover the range of opinions on here and I honestly can't imagine anyone who would've accepted less than that in October).  Right now he's showing very little evidence that he can achieve that.  The gap is currently 7 points and a fair whack of goal difference.  If, by the end of March, we look likely to close that gap then we give him that chance and judge him at the end of the season.  If we continue to drift in the wrong direction then no amount of calls for stability or lack of obvious candidates should save him.  He's been given more than enough support from the board to be able to achieve that fairly modest target.

[brentastonb6]

Was as gutted as the next man, really racked off with Grealish in the same way I was with Ayew last year at West Ham away- prior to his sending off I thought only one team would win this and we were in the ascendancy. 'Strange' subs after the red card taking all options to actually score a goal off . But on any other day we would have won this with the chances we created. Am I happy ? No , Do I think we have the makings of a good team with this overall squad ? Yes, Do I think our coaches will get the best out of them ? I hope they can but they ain't filling me with confidence right now .

[SoccerHQ]

If I was giving you shit, then its because I didn't agree with you.

I'm still not sure what you're on about. I'm annoyed we lost. I'm annoyed at the poor form this past month. I am pleased we created plenty away from home for the first time in a long time.

And so we should.

I actually agree for once that Forest are a very poor team....and we've taken one point out of 6 v them. Granted the draw at VP was robbery from them but it's just not good enough is it so we're reducing to being happy when we score a goal away from home.

It would be good if we could have one game left this season where against a decent team e.g. Sheff Weds, Derby, Huddersfield, we score a goal in the first 20 minutes, score another just before half time or after, soak up the pressure and maybe score on at the end.

Yes people would be asking why haven't we been doing this all season but at least it would be the start....a convincing win and performance against a promotion contender. That would get me optimistic for next season.

[themossman]

Well unless we nosedive down the division or Dr Tony has a change of heart during the summer, it looks like he'll be here for a while. That's best all round as far as i'm concerned.

I don't know how you, or anybody else for that matter, could watch us over the past few months and come to the conclusion that the best thing all round is for more of the same.

I just think stability would be good. We're on our 4th manager since Lambert left. He's brought in his own players and he's got a track record for getting teams up. Why not see where it goes before having more upheaval?

Basically how I feel. I have a lot of doubts about SB but the alternative is worse - deepening our trigger happy/ joke club status, players responding to the inevitable chaos by acting like naughty children, throwing in another manager who might not want half the players and needs another £30m to buy his own (and will probably fail anyway because we'll suck the life out of whoever it is). Ideally of course we would be in a position where we can replace the manager without worrying about those things but we're not so we're stuck with him.

[Boz]

Stability is only any use if the manager is worth persevering with. I'm very much hoping Bruce is, but if he isn't then sticking with him just because we've gone through a lot of managers recently won't do us any good long or short term.

Of course, but there really is only one way to find out if he is worth sticking with

Well obviously, but some make it sound like it doesn't matter what we do for the rest of the season, Bruce should start next season. I disagree with that, for me he's got to show between now and the end of the season that he and his coaches are the ones that will take us up next year.

This is the important thing. If Bruce hasn't got Villa at least near the play offs by April, why would anyone think it will change next season? He's chosen his players and at other clubs they looked good choices, but if they sink to mediocrity at B6, you have to assume the management/coaching of the team isn't right.

[mr underhill]

there is a compelling argument to say it hasn't been right since MON left, though.

[Hookeysmith]

Im not suggesting sack SB - just yet - but he cannot escape from the responsibility of training and coaching these very expensively assembled players into something that resembles a plan.
At present team selection looks a shambles, methodology and application looks lost and there is no shape of fluidity to our game. We do not press and allow teams to dictate pace and play

All remits of the Manager and coaches.

The car crash that was Leeds kept changing Managers - until they got a decent one - I had concerns over SB and he is doing nothing to change them at present