Quote from: West Derby Villan on November 02, 2017, 10:26:45 PMOkay, I really hope I'm wrong (have been before) but he ain't gonna make it. He has had numerous opportunities, a run of games (agree not that many) different partners but to no avail. I really really hope I'm wrong and he becomes the confident goal scorer he was with Brentford.......Have to disagree with that a bit. He has come on up front on his own the majority of times he has featured this season and just isn't suited to that role. I can't recall him being partnered up front with Davis or with O'Hare (apart from pre season). He might fe more suited to a 4-4-2 alongside Davis and with crosses coming in or with someone like O'Hare or Grealish playing just behind him. It would need us to change our formation and style of play though, and I still really can't see why he was bought for so much when it is clear he just isn't what we need up there.
Okay, I really hope I'm wrong (have been before) but he ain't gonna make it. He has had numerous opportunities, a run of games (agree not that many) different partners but to no avail. I really really hope I'm wrong and he becomes the confident goal scorer he was with Brentford.......
Quote from: tomd2103 on November 03, 2017, 01:12:50 AMQuote from: West Derby Villan on November 02, 2017, 10:26:45 PMOkay, I really hope I'm wrong (have been before) but he ain't gonna make it. He has had numerous opportunities, a run of games (agree not that many) different partners but to no avail. I really really hope I'm wrong and he becomes the confident goal scorer he was with Brentford.......Have to disagree with that a bit. He has come on up front on his own the majority of times he has featured this season and just isn't suited to that role. I can't recall him being partnered up front with Davis or with O'Hare (apart from pre season). He might fe more suited to a 4-4-2 alongside Davis and with crosses coming in or with someone like O'Hare or Grealish playing just behind him. It would need us to change our formation and style of play though, and I still really can't see why he was bought for so much when it is clear he just isn't what we need up there. Which obviously would be a dodgy old idea now that we've seem to have settled on a setup capable of yielding good results (provided that the approach is positive enough, of course). He may be an unknown quantity for the post-Bruce era, but that's thinking way too far ahead at this moment.
I think there's a decent footballer in Hogan. It hasn't quite happened here for him yet and it might not but I think he's a useful player to bring off the bench, albeit an expensive one.
Quote from: Clampy on November 03, 2017, 10:16:13 AMI think there's a decent footballer in Hogan. It hasn't quite happened here for him yet and it might not but I think he's a useful player to bring off the bench, albeit an expensive one.See Clampy, I don't think he is at the moment. The minute he comes on, our performances usually take a nosedive as we can't hold the ball up front. Like pretty much everyone else, I really want him to do well, but I just can't see it in the current set up.
Quote from: Clampy on November 03, 2017, 10:16:13 AMI think there's a decent footballer in Hogan. It hasn't quite happened here for him yet and it might not but I think he's a useful player to bring off the bench, albeit an expensive one.How on earth is that remotely true? He hasn't done a single useful thing when coming on as a sub. All he did on Wednesday was give the ball away twice. The two appearance before that he touched the ball something like 4 times in each game. How is that useful whatsoever? I'd much rather see somebody like O'Hare, who came on and was industrious and attacking at the same time.
Quote from: Risso on November 03, 2017, 10:42:43 AMQuote from: Clampy on November 03, 2017, 10:16:13 AMI think there's a decent footballer in Hogan. It hasn't quite happened here for him yet and it might not but I think he's a useful player to bring off the bench, albeit an expensive one.How on earth is that remotely true? He hasn't done a single useful thing when coming on as a sub. All he did on Wednesday was give the ball away twice. The two appearance before that he touched the ball something like 4 times in each game. How is that useful whatsoever? I'd much rather see somebody like O'Hare, who came on and was industrious and attacking at the same time.I didn't say it was true, it's just my opinion. You disagree, that's fine.
Quote from: tomd2103 on November 03, 2017, 10:37:18 AMQuote from: Clampy on November 03, 2017, 10:16:13 AMI think there's a decent footballer in Hogan. It hasn't quite happened here for him yet and it might not but I think he's a useful player to bring off the bench, albeit an expensive one.See Clampy, I don't think he is at the moment. The minute he comes on, our performances usually take a nosedive as we can't hold the ball up front. Like pretty much everyone else, I really want him to do well, but I just can't see it in the current set up. I know what you're saying but I think 'nosedive' is a tad harsh. Yes, he's a different player to Davis but his energy and willingness to run is the last thing opposition defenders want after 80 minutes.