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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: dave.woodhall on January 31, 2017, 12:16:56 PM

Title: Scott Hogan - retired
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 31, 2017, 12:16:56 PM
It's getting exciting, this last day thing.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 31, 2017, 12:18:20 PM
On his way to Villa for a medical. Can't say I know much about him, but obviously he's fantastic!
Actually his scoring record is very good.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on January 31, 2017, 12:19:28 PM


Am i right in thinking he had some worrying recurring injuries last season or the one before ?
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: Old Kodjia on January 31, 2017, 12:20:45 PM


Am i right in thinking he had some worrying recurring injuries last season or the one before ?

Both seasons
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 31, 2017, 12:21:07 PM


Am i right in thinking he had some worrying recurring injuries last season or the one before ?

Couple of bad knee injuries.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: Dave on January 31, 2017, 12:21:31 PM
Gives an extra frisson of excitement to tonight's game as well.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 31, 2017, 12:23:06 PM
I did a bit of scouting on YouTube last night and I thought he looked quite strong, good turn of pace, quality finisher but also looked like he gets his head up and looks for team mates. Albeit YouTube clips :-)
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 31, 2017, 12:25:34 PM
I think Van Nistelrooy had some knee problems early in his career but obviously recovered sufficiently, let's hope it's the same for him.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: Hairbandinho on January 31, 2017, 12:26:42 PM
We are spending insane money, given we most likely won't go up this year. I hope I am wrong but I hope the finances are being planned carefully. We all loved Randy when he was spending out the arse...Then we realised it was reckless.

I hope Dr and his equations are sustainable!
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: TaxDodger on January 31, 2017, 12:27:11 PM
Can we sing "we've got Scotty Hogan" to the tune of Glad All Over please? Fits better than Rangers singing it about Joey Garner.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 31, 2017, 12:28:17 PM
Love it!!! Hogan has been superb this season. The thought of Kodjia and Hogan together up front has just caused a stir in my loins.

Assuming this means he won't play against us tonight?
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on January 31, 2017, 12:28:32 PM
I think Van Nistelrooy had some knee problems early in his career but obviously recovered sufficiently, let's hope it's the same for him.

Indeed. A medical should show up any concerns anyway of course

Fingers crossed it goes through
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: andyh on January 31, 2017, 12:33:22 PM
I reckon we all watched the same Youtube clips then.
He looks very calm and assured in front of goal is what I noticed.

I also thought he looked about 38 so googled him to see he is only 24.

Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: Old Kodjia on January 31, 2017, 12:35:34 PM
Love it!!! Hogan has been superb this season. The thought of Kodjia and Hogan together up front has just caused a stir in my loins.

Assuming this means he won't play against us tonight?

He'd have to get back down the M1 pretty sharpish after his medical, if he was.  You know what that rush hour can be like from Watford onwards.

Seriously though, he'd been pulled from the squad  already.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: robbo1874 on January 31, 2017, 12:36:12 PM
Anyone heard what the likely fee will be?

Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: LukeJames on January 31, 2017, 12:38:15 PM
Will The Hote end be blasting out "I am a real American" instead of "theres only one Scotty Hogan" :-/
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: avfcpg on January 31, 2017, 12:38:20 PM
Anyone heard what the likely fee will be?



Rumored to be 9 million rising to 15 million with adds on...insane. But then again we could get £11million for Gestede and Westwood.
What's our net spend? About £5 million? That's nothing...and great business.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: JJ-AV on January 31, 2017, 12:39:54 PM
We'll have outbid West Ham to get him, it's going to be a lot. Gives the chance for the porn barons to talk about us on Sky Sports News though.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 31, 2017, 12:40:12 PM
Anyone heard what the likely fee will be?



Rumored to be 9 million rising to 15 million with adds on...insane. But then again we could get £11million for Gestede and Westwood.
What's our net spend? About £5 million? That's nothing...and great business.

Throw in the 5m we'll be getting in the Ayew deal and we are even.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: darren woolley on January 31, 2017, 12:41:39 PM
I would be happy if we sign him he's done well at Brentford.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: avfcpg on January 31, 2017, 12:42:34 PM
Anyone heard what the likely fee will be?



Rumored to be 9 million rising to 15 million with adds on...insane. But then again we could get £11million for Gestede and Westwood.
What's our net spend? About £5 million? That's nothing...and great business.

Throw in the 5m we'll be getting in the Ayew deal and we are even.

Yes forgot about that....sad to see him go I like him but hey ho..the squad issues have been addressed for nothing in transfer fees then.
Already social media is awash with, we're trying to buy the league...
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: cdward on January 31, 2017, 12:43:07 PM
I think Van Nistelrooy had some knee problems early in his career but obviously recovered sufficiently, let's hope it's the same for him.
I remember everyone saying that God had dodgy knees as well. That turned out OK.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 31, 2017, 12:45:22 PM
Anyone heard what the likely fee will be?



Rumored to be 9 million rising to 15 million with adds on...insane. But then again we could get £11million for Gestede and Westwood.
What's our net spend? About £5 million? That's nothing...and great business.

Throw in the 5m we'll be getting in the Ayew deal and we are even.

Yes forgot about that....sad to see him go I like him but hey ho..the squad issues have been addressed for nothing in transfer fees then.
Already social media is awash with, we're trying to buy the league...

good. I want us to go up or at least have a board willing to put up a fight to get there. It's a nice feeling after so many years of decline to have a board seem so committed to achieving something positive, and even if we don't go up we will be very strong favourites next season.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: sid1964 on January 31, 2017, 12:46:18 PM
So if Hogan signs then we will play 2 up front, him and Kodja

4-4-2
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: cdbullyweefan on January 31, 2017, 12:46:28 PM
On his way to Villa for a medical.

Why? We're on our way to Brentford!
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: peter w on January 31, 2017, 12:49:21 PM
I mentioned him in the summer - no, really - or before the end of last season. out for ages then was scoring for fun for them. Got a mate who is a Brentford fan and thinks he's the dogs bollocks.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 31, 2017, 12:53:39 PM
Oh, but for christs sake can we not call him 'Scotty'. We'll leave that kind of nonsense to the Redknapps.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: villabear on January 31, 2017, 12:55:52 PM
I hope he's more Kodjia than McCormack
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: robbo1874 on January 31, 2017, 01:01:21 PM
Anyone heard what the likely fee will be?



Rumored to be 9 million rising to 15 million with adds on...insane. But then again we could get £11million for Gestede and Westwood.
What's our net spend? About £5 million? That's nothing...and great business.

Throw in the 5m we'll be getting in the Ayew deal and we are even.
better than that because we also get that Swansea defender.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: tomd2103 on January 31, 2017, 01:01:48 PM
Watched him quite closely when Brentford came to VP earlier in the season, as there had been quite a bit of talk about him.  Was busy, worked hard and had good movement.  More of a central striker and should be a good foil for Kodjia.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 31, 2017, 01:02:23 PM


Am i right in thinking he had some worrying recurring injuries last season or the one before ?

No that was the infamous Jimmy Hogan.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: Diablo on January 31, 2017, 01:04:02 PM
On his way to Villa for a medical.

Who has reported this? The mail (I know) have said that we're locked in talks?
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 31, 2017, 01:05:44 PM
Sky Sources now.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: jwarry on January 31, 2017, 01:06:15 PM
Reading his wiki page, there is a touch of the Jamie Vardy story about him so will be pretty hungry I would think
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: Diablo on January 31, 2017, 01:06:44 PM
Sky Sources now.

Ah cool. Thanks.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: john2710 on January 31, 2017, 01:06:48 PM
He strikes me as a bit similar to Shane Long. If he's as good we've got a bargain at this level.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: eamonn on January 31, 2017, 01:12:19 PM
Reading his wiki page, there is a touch of the Jamie Vardy story about him so will be pretty hungry I would think

Huh, I thought it was Ross with the eating disorder?
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: auntiesledd on January 31, 2017, 01:29:31 PM
Crivens! These are really exciting times for a change. Here's hoping there ain't any late-doors spanners in the works & Brucie & Co get their man. :)
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 31, 2017, 01:36:56 PM
This little snippet worried me slightly.

And with the pending sales of Ashley Westwood to Burnley and Jordan Ayew to Swansea, Villa now have enough cash to make a down-payment to Brentford for their prized asset.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: Villafirst on January 31, 2017, 01:39:08 PM
This deal needs to happen now....Gabby injured in training! Torn leg muscle apparently. Down to just Kodjia upfront.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: footyskillz on January 31, 2017, 01:41:30 PM
If he doesn't comr I won't post ! I sure they can convince him invite him into dressing room tonight!  Its good that have Brentford tonight in a way can help him on team coach back to villa
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 31, 2017, 01:44:34 PM
This deal needs to happen now....Gabby injured in training! Torn leg muscle apparently. Down to just Kodjia upfront.

Not happy about that. He was actually doing ok and had worked hard to get back into shape. He would have been very useful off the bench for the rest of the season. Need to RHM tied down, and we do have Keinan Davies too.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: Clark W Griswold on January 31, 2017, 01:48:39 PM
He strikes me as a bit similar to Shane Long. If he's as good we've got a bargain at this level.

Physically maybe but I think Hogan actually has a turn of pace and scores lots of goals, unlike Shane Dung.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: Clampy on January 31, 2017, 01:52:10 PM
I'd be stunned if the fee is as high as they're saying it is. It does sound a lot.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: CT Villan on January 31, 2017, 02:10:30 PM
Can't help but wonder if Hogan will be another resident at the Aston Villa Home for Formerly Prolific Championship Strikers. By chance alone, we are due one that continues to be prolific with us.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: mr underhill on January 31, 2017, 02:12:18 PM
you mean like Kodjia? He hasn't turned-out too shabby.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: Brend'Watkins on January 31, 2017, 02:34:14 PM
I hope he's half decent, I'll settle for half decent.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: Uknowthescore on January 31, 2017, 02:44:54 PM
This signing is more exciting than Jordan Rhodes
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: Diablo on January 31, 2017, 02:55:18 PM
This signing is more exciting than Jordan Rhodes

Hearing that Gabby is injured today I wouldn't be surprised to see him at Villa Park on loan last min. Weirder things have happened.

Edit: In fact I've now just seen a post with an article on the transfers thread saying exactly that lol
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: footyskillz on January 31, 2017, 02:56:15 PM
Hulkamania!
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: Brend'Watkins on January 31, 2017, 03:25:12 PM
Is he actually know as 'Hulk' or is it something we have made up?

And if we are to make up a name for him from a fictitious character why not use his Christian name - Scott and nickname 'Tracy' after the Thunderbird 1 pilot?
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 31, 2017, 03:25:58 PM
Deal done according to a number of sources.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 31, 2017, 03:27:51 PM
Deal done according to a number of sources.

wow is that 7 players this window ,  I thought Bruce said minor surgery ??
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: Villafirst on January 31, 2017, 03:29:39 PM
He's signed according to the Daily Mail and Star??
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: godzvilla on January 31, 2017, 03:59:42 PM
He's signed according to the Daily Mail and Star??
According to the Daily Heil :.....................Godzvilla!
Scott Hogan completes £12m move to Aston Villa in deadline day deal

    Aston Villa have signed Brentford striker Scott Hogan in a £12m deal
    Hogan undertook a medical at the club's Bodymoor Heath training ground
    The transfer is believed to be worth an initial £9m with the remainder in add-ons
    Hogan's former club Rochdale will receive a cut of the transfer fee
    West Ham had been linked with the striker all month and were expected to bid



Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: mr underhill on January 31, 2017, 04:02:37 PM
like it!
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: Dr Butler on January 31, 2017, 04:04:23 PM
Scott Hogan sounds like a wrestler to me :)

UTV
The Doc
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: Bryan on January 31, 2017, 04:09:19 PM
Can't help but wonder if Hogan will be another resident at the Aston Villa Home for Formerly Prolific Championship Strikers. By chance alone, we are due one that continues to be prolific with us.

This. Since Guy Whittingham, everyone (except Kodjia) who's been a prolific champo striker has flopped. Crouch, Gestede, McGate. Hope he's not one of them
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: fredm on January 31, 2017, 04:10:05 PM
Apparently Rochdale have a 20% sell on fee so a nice little earner for them.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: Diablo on January 31, 2017, 04:14:21 PM
Thrills, spills, goals and skills.



Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: mr underhill on January 31, 2017, 04:17:39 PM
Benteke of course was not a flop
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: PaulTheVillan on January 31, 2017, 04:19:03 PM
Worth every penny if it means Gabby won't play
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: Risso on January 31, 2017, 04:23:04 PM
Benteke of course was not a flop

No, but neither was he signed from the Championship.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: Simon Page on January 31, 2017, 04:23:17 PM
Is he actually know as 'Hulk' or is it something we have made up?

And if we are to make up a name for him from a fictitious character why not use his Christian name - Scott and nickname 'Tracy' after the Thunderbird 1 pilot?

Let's hope we don't have to dub him Paul Hogan's most revered character...

Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: LukeJames on January 31, 2017, 04:27:37 PM
I'd like to put in a left field nickname and go with the 'Bard of Thomond'

Michael Hogan (31 October 1828 Ė 1899) was an Irish poet. He was known as the ďBard of ThomondĒ.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: chrisw1 on January 31, 2017, 04:33:14 PM
Worth every penny if it means Gabby won't play
Why does every deal have to turn into a dig at one of our players?  (not just you)  We all know Gabby is shit, Westwood was limited etc.  Do we have to bring it up at every turn?

It's just pointless nonsence for the sake of it.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: UK Redsox on January 31, 2017, 04:37:58 PM
I'd like to put in a left field nickname and go with the 'Bard of Thomond'

Michael Hogan (31 October 1828 Ė 1899) was an Irish poet. He was known as the ďBard of ThomondĒ.

If Hogan signs, i'm going to insist on us all calling him Colonel Klink
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: brian green on January 31, 2017, 04:43:34 PM
Ben would be good.  A sporting superstar as we all hope Scott will become.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: Brend'Watkins on January 31, 2017, 04:46:05 PM
I'd like to put in a left field nickname and go with the 'Bard of Thomond'

Michael Hogan (31 October 1828 Ė 1899) was an Irish poet. He was known as the ďBard of ThomondĒ.

If Hogan signs, i'm going to insist on us all calling him Colonel Klink

I was also thinking of Sgt Schulz but he looked too much like McCormack.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: UK Redsox on January 31, 2017, 04:47:45 PM
BTW - The Helga in HH was even hotter than the Helga in AA
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: TheTimVilla on January 31, 2017, 05:00:31 PM
Was he Brentford captain? If not, I block, veto and generally tut about this deal.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: Villa Lew on January 31, 2017, 05:05:52 PM
At the moment of all the websites I've checked it's only the Daily Mail, who have said he's passed a medical and has signed for us. A few minutes ago Sky Sports have said Villa have agreed terms with him, but no mention of him passing a medical. So I'm not 100% certain he's passed his medical and would not want to rely on just the Mail that the deal is complete.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: eamonn on January 31, 2017, 05:54:16 PM
Gone a bit quiet, is he still coughing for the doc (our other doc), or problems producing a sample?
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: enigma on January 31, 2017, 05:57:47 PM
Well this came as a bit of a surprise. He seems to have been linked to all and sundry this last month but I never saw him ever linked to us.

Does this mean Bruce has managed to get pretty much everyone he targeted this window? Can't think of anyone he's missed out on.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: eamonn on January 31, 2017, 05:58:37 PM
Well this came as a bit of a surprise. He seems to have been linked to all and sundry this last month but I never saw him ever linked to us.

Does this mean Bruce has managed to get pretty much everyone he targeted this window? Can't think of anyone he's missed out on.

Roads.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: cheltenhamlion on January 31, 2017, 06:00:26 PM
Where we are going, we don't need Rhodes.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: enigma on January 31, 2017, 06:03:59 PM
Well this came as a bit of a surprise. He seems to have been linked to all and sundry this last month but I never saw him ever linked to us.

Does this mean Bruce has managed to get pretty much everyone he targeted this window? Can't think of anyone he's missed out on.

Roads.

Many reports are saying Hogan was Bruce's first choice. Now he has him he's cooled his interest in Rhodes so I'm not sure that's a case of missing out on him as such.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: dave shelley on January 31, 2017, 06:06:13 PM
Rhodes undergoing medical at Sheffield Wednesday according to SSN.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: Tayls_7 on January 31, 2017, 06:07:30 PM
Where we are going, we don't need Rhodes.

Bravo. Unless it's plagiarised of course.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: Pete3206 on January 31, 2017, 06:08:26 PM
Where we are going, we don't need Rhodes.

Brilliant!
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: TheTimVilla on January 31, 2017, 06:09:56 PM
Where we are going, we don't need Rhodes.

Bravo. Unless it's plagiarised of course.
ī

BTTF
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: cheltenhamlion on January 31, 2017, 06:12:53 PM
Where we are going, we don't need Rhodes.

Bravo. Unless it's plagiarised of course.

I am pretty sure I stole it from here years ago!
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 31, 2017, 06:15:44 PM
He certainly seems to know where the net is, his injury history worries me a bit though especially with some of the figures mentioned as a fee for him.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: Old Kodjia on January 31, 2017, 06:17:53 PM
Well this came as a bit of a surprise. He seems to have been linked to all and sundry this last month but I never saw him ever linked to us.

Does this mean Bruce has managed to get pretty much everyone he targeted this window? Can't think of anyone he's missed out on.

Roads.

Many reports are saying Hogan was Bruce's first choice. Now he has him he's cooled his interest in Rhodes so I'm not sure that's a case of missing out on him as such.

There were links to Hogan earlier on in the window but they stopped, once WHU became interested.  That is when the Rhodes stories started.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: Risso on January 31, 2017, 06:38:47 PM
Where we are going, we don't need Rhodes.

You are a colossus.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: dave shelley on January 31, 2017, 06:40:41 PM
Where we are going, we don't need Rhodes.

You are a colossus.

We might need an Atlas though.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 31, 2017, 06:41:28 PM
Where we are going, we don't need Rhodes.

Bravo. Unless it's plagiarised of course.

I am pretty sure I stole it from here years ago!

back to the future ?
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: cheltenhamlion on January 31, 2017, 06:42:41 PM
Where we are going, we don't need Rhodes.

Bravo. Unless it's plagiarised of course.

I am pretty sure I stole it from here years ago!

back to the future ?


A man who gets a good metaphor.

The wife has done that to me in ages.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: Ads on January 31, 2017, 06:49:46 PM
Just parked up in Brentford.

This is something of a surprise!
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: auntiesledd on January 31, 2017, 06:50:31 PM
TalkSHITE have just said Hogan's transfer has gone through...
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: Ian J on January 31, 2017, 06:52:12 PM
Happy days, like the look of this fella.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: Brend'Watkins on January 31, 2017, 06:55:08 PM
Where we are going, we don't need Rhodes.

Bravo. Unless it's plagiarised of course.

I am pretty sure I stole it from here years ago!

Yes, it's an Agean quote.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: Rudy65 on January 31, 2017, 06:56:11 PM
Blimey, just read his wiki page and his injury record. Gulp. Hope our medical boys know what they are doing. Only played 35 games for Brentford in 2.5 years, 25 of them this season. A risk thats for sure which presumably is what SVC was on about on twitter earlier.

Good luck Scott. You need to perform, we have had enough charlatans at VP these last few years
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on January 31, 2017, 06:56:19 PM
Just parked up in Brentford.

This is something of a surprise!

A keener eh? I like it.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 31, 2017, 06:56:31 PM
It's a double bonus given he's not playing against us tonight. Welcome to Villa Scott.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: Dazvillain on January 31, 2017, 07:02:42 PM
Rhodes undergoing medical at Sheffield Wednesday according to SSN.
It's great having this squad refresh but I'm greedy and when heard about hogan today I wanted Rhodes as the extra surprise
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: auntiesledd on January 31, 2017, 07:03:38 PM
It's a double bonus given he's not playing against us tonight. Welcome to Villa Scott.

Ain't it just! Here's hoping we can take advantage of the situation & properly get this show on the road.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: supertom on January 31, 2017, 07:15:47 PM
Good signing. He could be our Vardy hopefully. He just keeps on going. Good finisher. I can also seeing him playing well with Kodjia in a 2, but likewise, if we go for 3 up top both Kodjia and Hogan are capable of operating in the wide position and coming in. I prefer this to Rhodes to be honest.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: UK Redsox on January 31, 2017, 07:35:28 PM
I assume that there'll be an embargo on an official announcement until after the game
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: BegbieAV on January 31, 2017, 07:56:45 PM
Watching the kid on YouTube ( I know) reminds me of Robbie Fowler
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: Matt Collins on January 31, 2017, 08:29:53 PM
Someone turn off the wifi at villa park incase be tunes in
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: Jon Crofts on January 31, 2017, 09:10:01 PM
If the lad has any sense he will stay where he is
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: itbrvilla on January 31, 2017, 09:11:24 PM
Watching the kid on YouTube ( I know) reminds me of Robbie Fowler
Doing coke?
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: CT on January 31, 2017, 09:11:54 PM
The lad is mental if he signs for us.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: itbrvilla on January 31, 2017, 09:12:11 PM
Getting battered allover here
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: supertom on January 31, 2017, 09:12:17 PM
Doesn't look like Brentford will miss him with that fella absolutely roasting us to pieces up front.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: itbrvilla on January 31, 2017, 09:12:37 PM
Hoof
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: adrenachrome on January 31, 2017, 09:38:19 PM
The lad is mental if he signs for us.

Not f he wants to earn considerably more dosh. Good motivator, it seems. People can't get enough of the stuff.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: Villa Lew on January 31, 2017, 10:26:16 PM
Don't understand what's holding up the completion of the signing. It's getting a bit worrying, there must be a doubt, whether the transfer is going through.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: frank black on January 31, 2017, 10:29:31 PM
He's doing that move you see in cartoons with his legs going at 100 miles an hour, before he skedaddles.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: Deano's Mullet on January 31, 2017, 10:31:45 PM
we need Hulk Hogan nevermind Scott.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 31, 2017, 10:35:04 PM
He's changed his mind halfway up the M40

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Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on January 31, 2017, 10:42:21 PM
Full details of the fee announced:

£9m + 3 points.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 31, 2017, 10:44:27 PM
Taking their time announcing this one.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: PeterWithe on January 31, 2017, 10:49:56 PM
For no reason whatsoever I dont think this transfer will be a success.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: cdbullyweefan on January 31, 2017, 10:50:44 PM
I'm starting to panic.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 31, 2017, 10:51:09 PM
He's had a couple of dodgy knee injuries, which is a worry.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 31, 2017, 10:52:50 PM
8 minutes.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: LukeJames on January 31, 2017, 10:54:51 PM
It was probably confirmed hours ago.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: VillaAlways on January 31, 2017, 10:55:37 PM
Bruce said he'd signed in the pre match interview
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 31, 2017, 10:56:14 PM
As long as the deal sheet is in by 11 it can be ratified after the deadline.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: Newby on January 31, 2017, 10:56:28 PM
Hasn't the Doc already tweeted 100%?
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: dave shelley on January 31, 2017, 10:56:50 PM
The Doc posted his formulae hours ago saying everything was 100%.  I, and others took that to mean all deals that they wanted to do have been done.  The press office is probably as slow as our defence.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 31, 2017, 10:57:32 PM
Hasn't the Doc already tweeted 100%?

It still hasn't been announced officially though.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: Tuscans on January 31, 2017, 10:57:47 PM
Signed yonks ago today. Taylor was only officially revealed an hour ago and that deal was done 2 days ago.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 31, 2017, 10:58:32 PM
They announced Taylor in and Ayew leaving after the game but no mention of Hogan. Maybe he's trying to convince Dean Smith to take him back.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 31, 2017, 10:59:55 PM
Sky said that the deal was close that was about half an hour ago.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 31, 2017, 11:03:14 PM
The London Evening Standard have just confirmed it's done.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: QuintonVilla on January 31, 2017, 11:03:56 PM
Poor bloke. All aboard the shit train.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 31, 2017, 11:04:02 PM
Apparently if you've filled out deadline day transfer form and the player has signed it you've got till 1am to complete the deal.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 31, 2017, 11:04:37 PM
We're a big club. We go by our watch.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: cdbullyweefan on January 31, 2017, 11:05:31 PM
Apparently if you've filled out deadline day transfer form and the player has signed it you've got till 1am to complete the deal.

That's a Premier League rule, if you've got that info from watching Sky. I don't know if it applies to our division.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 31, 2017, 11:06:25 PM
We're a big club. We go by our watch.

Like everything at the club it's slow and behind everyone else.

/baddumtish
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 31, 2017, 11:06:45 PM
its probably still dependent on McCaramac going.  He's undergoing a medical according to sky.  That'll be interesting.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: Tuscans on January 31, 2017, 11:08:35 PM
Have we spent £77 million this season?
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: Risso on January 31, 2017, 11:09:46 PM
We're a big club. We go by our watch.

Like everything at the club it's slow and behind everyone else.

/baddumtish

Mickey Mouse got an Aston Villa watch for Christmas, etc...
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: dave.woodhall on January 31, 2017, 11:10:58 PM
The manager is saying we've signed him, so I would hope we have.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: adrenachrome on January 31, 2017, 11:10:58 PM
Sky said that the deal was close that was about half an hour ago.

In the immediate pre-match interview on Sky Sports, SB confirmed the signing.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 31, 2017, 11:10:58 PM
Better hope he signs, the last striker to score for us was Kod before he went to the AFCoN,
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: UK Redsox on January 31, 2017, 11:11:23 PM
Still 50 mins left of the Scottish transfer window. Maybe Clyde have made a late bid for Hogan
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: dave shelley on January 31, 2017, 11:14:54 PM
London Evening Standard (http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/brentford-striker-scott-hogan-completes-aston-villa-move-for-15m-fee-a3455056.html)
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 31, 2017, 11:17:13 PM
London Evening Standard (http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/brentford-striker-scott-hogan-completes-aston-villa-move-for-15m-fee-a3455056.html)

That article is just repeating what the managers said before the game. Seems strange they both talked as though it's a done deal and yet neither club has announced it as an official transfer.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: Villafirst on January 31, 2017, 11:18:02 PM
I really don't know....if the deal is signed or not?? We have one out of form striker left as it stands. Three strikers off loaded, RHM banished, Gabby crocked. Be par for the course if the deal doesn't happen!
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: cdbullyweefan on January 31, 2017, 11:18:08 PM
Still 50 mins left of the Scottish transfer window. Maybe Clyde have made a late bid for Hogan

So long as they don't go for McCormack.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: saunders_heroes on January 31, 2017, 11:18:33 PM
Apparently if you've filled out deadline day transfer form and the player has signed it you've got till 1am to complete the deal.

That's a Premier League rule, if you've got that info from watching Sky. I don't know if it applies to our division.

Yeah, from Sky. Can't remember if they said it was exclusively a PL rule.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: Risso on January 31, 2017, 11:18:51 PM
So we've now spent nearly £40m on strikers this season.  I do hope we start scoring some goals soon.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: The Edge on January 31, 2017, 11:20:37 PM
Sky said that the deal was close that was about half an hour ago.

In the immediate pre-match interview on Sky Sports, SB confirmed the signing.
He didn't.  He said it was close.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: cdbullyweefan on January 31, 2017, 11:21:07 PM
Apparently if you've filled out deadline day transfer form and the player has signed it you've got till 1am to complete the deal.

That's a Premier League rule, if you've got that info from watching Sky. I don't know if it applies to our division.

Yeah, from Sky. Can't remember if they said it was exclusively a PL rule.

They mentioned it being "Premier League Rule..." followed by a number. They never said it was exclusively a Premier League rule or that a similar arrangement is in place for the Football League, so I don't know.

I'd imagine they'd have said the deal was off if we definitely hadn't got it through in time. Dunno though.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 31, 2017, 11:25:24 PM
One thing I have noticed about sky is that the Championship doesn't appear to exist.  They were going to a reporter at man citeh even though they've known there would be no signings there for days.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: cdbullyweefan on January 31, 2017, 11:27:48 PM
Here we go...
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: cdbullyweefan on January 31, 2017, 11:29:10 PM
They just say they are waiting for confirmation.

Sigh.

And awaiting confirmation of the McCormack to Forest deal, though they have made an improved offer.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: The Edge on January 31, 2017, 11:29:36 PM
Sky still saying deal not confirmed yet. The Docs quiet.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: dave shelley on January 31, 2017, 11:30:50 PM
They've got no thought for me at all.  They serve up that shit tonight and now are keeping me up.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 31, 2017, 11:31:09 PM
Confirmed
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 31, 2017, 11:31:42 PM
Phew
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: dave shelley on January 31, 2017, 11:32:13 PM
Are you just trying to send me to bed?
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 31, 2017, 11:32:38 PM
Quote
Aston Villa Football Club is delighted to announce the signing of Scott Hogan from Brentford.

The striker moves to Villa Park for an undisclosed fee and has put pen to paper on a four-and-a-half-year deal.

Hogan has found the net 14 times in the Championship this term and can't wait to start life at Villa.

The 24-year-old said: ďIím delighted to be at a club like Aston Villa.

ďWith its history and tradition I canít wait to start working hard and helping the team.

ďIt all happened quite quickly and now I'm looking forward to meeting my new team-mates tomorrow and beginning a new chapter in my career."
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: The Edge on January 31, 2017, 11:32:54 PM
Confirmed
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on January 31, 2017, 11:33:11 PM
Pic of him in the shirt.

https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/826573289820717056
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: adrenachrome on January 31, 2017, 11:33:28 PM
Brum Mail (http://www.xxxx.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-boss-steve-bruce-12537473)

Quote
Aston Villa boss Steve Bruce: Why I signed Scott Hogan

Gregg Evans was speaking to the manager after the defeat to Brentford tonight

ByGregg Evans

    23:05, 31 JAN 2017


Steve Bruce revealed his delight at landing Scott Hogan after stressing: ďI was not going to miss out on him again.Ē

The Villa boss swooped to land the 24-year-old from Brentford in a deal potentially rising to £15million, subject to clearance in these closing few minutes of the window.

On a night where Bruce was vexed at losing 3-0 to Hoganís former club, the one positive he could take was finally getting his man.

Villa have had a busy transfer window and another high-profile move on deadline day saw Jordan Ayew leave for Swansea with Neil Taylor and around £4million heading in Villaís direction.

Ashley Westwood also completed a £5million move to Burnley and Kevin Toner left on loan to Bradford.

Villa bolstered their youth ranks by landing 17-year-old youngster Jacob Bedeau in a £1million deal and Bruce was pleased with how the window panned out.

ďIím delighted with what weíve done,Ē he said


The Villa boss swooped to land the 24-year-old from Brentford in a deal potentially rising to £15million, subject to clearance in these closing few minutes of the window.

On a night where Bruce was vexed at losing 3-0 to Hoganís former club, the one positive he could take was finally getting his man.
Scott Hogan

ďIíve watched him for a long time, and I watched him when he was at Rochdale and regret not taking him.

ďI genuinely thought he was going to West Ham and when Premier League clubs are in for the players you like, itís always going to be difficult.

ďBut when West Ham pulled out, we put our energy into seeing if we could do something,Ē

Villa have had a busy transfer window and another high-profile move on deadline day saw Jordan Ayew leave for Swansea with Neil Taylor and around £4million heading in Villaís direction.

Ashley Westwood also completed a £5million move to Burnley and Kevin Toner left on loan to Bradford.

Villa bolstered their youth ranks by landing 17-year-old youngster Jacob Bedeau in a £1million deal and Bruce was pleased with how the window panned out.

ďIím delighted with what weíve done,Ē he said.

ďWeíve now got to start re-paying it and fighting.

ďItís no good talking about the past because weíre still in it.

ďWhat we have witnessed the past few games shows that mentally weíre still fragile.

ďIíve got to try and change that and given time I believe I can do it.Ē

Asked specifically what Hogan, the big-money arrival, can bring, Bruce said:

ďHeís got a hunger and is desperate to do well.

ďHeís a good goalscorer, heís a good finisher and heís got a bit of pace.

ďHeís got a humbleness about him which I like. Heíll be good for us.Ē

Villa also signed Birkir Bjarnason, Henri Lansbury, Conor Hourihane and Sam Johnstone on loan over the course of the month.


Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: cdbullyweefan on January 31, 2017, 11:33:51 PM
Welcome, Scott.

You big tease.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Villafirst on January 31, 2017, 11:34:11 PM
Welcome Scott! For fuck sake Bruce sort this mess!!
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: The Edge on January 31, 2017, 11:37:48 PM
Welcome Scott. You can fuck off to Forest now McFatfuck.
Thanks Doc I might get a bit of kip now without this evenings abysmal performance giving me nightmares.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: LukeJames on January 31, 2017, 11:38:25 PM
Welcome aboard an all that!

On his youtube montage most his goals seem to come from good midfield build up play, we need to find away of getting our midfield within the same postcode as our strikers to get the best out of him.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Des Little on January 31, 2017, 11:44:51 PM
Please don't go shit on us, like so many have in the past. It's not a big ask is it?
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on February 01, 2017, 07:27:57 AM
Welcome

look forward to seeing you at right back on saturday
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Jon Crofts on February 01, 2017, 07:30:38 AM
Welcome.

Don't be shit.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: lovejoy on February 01, 2017, 08:15:06 AM
For no reason whatsoever I dont think this transfer will be a success.

Probably based on all the other transfers we've done.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: andyh on February 01, 2017, 09:04:32 AM
Only Villa can sign a multi million pound striker but have the fans so utterly fucking pissed off that they aint really bothered right now.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Ads on February 01, 2017, 09:13:01 AM
Kodjia could have done with somebody close to him last night. They could have pressed the their deep playmaker a fair bit too.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Clark W Griswold on February 01, 2017, 09:16:08 AM
Kodjia could have done with somebody close to him last night. They could have pressed the their deep playmaker a fair bit too.

Absolutely, but if he plays the same formation it's surely going to be Kodjia left, Hogan centre and either Adomah or Green right, all too spaced out and far apart and it'll be the same problems again.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Ads on February 01, 2017, 09:20:13 AM
It's got to be horses for courses.

Last night Gardner should have played and screened the back four with Lansbury and Hourihane able to move forwards without leaving acres of space.

With Jedinak injured and no other forward available it limited his options. The three we played were too attack minded. Lansbury wasn't disciplined enough to screen because he has a lot more to offer.

Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 01, 2017, 04:33:24 PM
Now has the number 9 shirt. Finally a proper striker wearing that number.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: passport1 on February 01, 2017, 04:34:09 PM
I heard the manager of Brentford say last night when asked about the transfer "we placed  a valuation on the player and that figure was met".

(Translation- We placed an exorbitant valuation on him and fuck me Villa have been silly enough to pay it.) He at least had the good manners to keep a straight face.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 01, 2017, 04:44:30 PM
I heard the manager of Brentford say last night when asked about the transfer "we placed  a valuation on the player and that figure was met".

(Translation- We placed an exorbitant valuation on him and fuck me Villa have been silly enough to pay it.) He at least had the good manners to keep a straight face.

Or it's exactly as it reads. That in January they didn't want to lose a key player and if someone wanted to buy him there was a value met by the buyer.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: passport1 on February 01, 2017, 04:46:49 PM
They played rather well without their key player last night I thought.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: class-of-82 on February 01, 2017, 04:49:56 PM
the whole of the Brentford team last night should of worn scott Hogan masks then we could of asked how much for all of them job lot
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Diablo on February 01, 2017, 04:51:35 PM
Welcome.

Don't be shit.

Don't be shit and please stay fit
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 01, 2017, 05:14:36 PM
Score lots of goals Scott.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Bottom Right 89 on February 01, 2017, 05:51:28 PM
Watching clips on youtube a lot of his goals where he shrugs off a defender and shows a turn of foot reminds me a bit of Rambo. Fingers crossed.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Newby on February 01, 2017, 05:54:15 PM
Get him up there with Kodjia, work hard, score goals.  There; easy!!
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: BOB MANSFIELD on February 01, 2017, 08:00:48 PM
If he's like Rambo that's great, if he's like Deano that's great, too.....but if he's like McCormack OMG.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: darren woolley on February 02, 2017, 01:49:37 PM
I'm glad we've got him welcome Scott.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Pat McMahon on February 02, 2017, 02:18:28 PM
I heard the manager of Brentford say last night when asked about the transfer "we placed  a valuation on the player and that figure was met".

(Translation- We placed an exorbitant valuation on him and fuck me Villa have been silly enough to pay it.) He at least had the good manners to keep a straight face.

I spoke to 3 blokes in the pub before the game and they reckoned the fee was ridiculous, he would be good for us in this division but wouldn't be good enough "when you go up".  They seemed decent blokes but I assumed they were binge drinking.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on February 02, 2017, 03:11:36 PM
I heard the manager of Brentford say last night when asked about the transfer "we placed  a valuation on the player and that figure was met".

(Translation- We placed an exorbitant valuation on him and fuck me Villa have been silly enough to pay it.) He at least had the good manners to keep a straight face.

I spoke to 3 blokes in the pub before the game and they reckoned the fee was ridiculous, he would be good for us in this division but wouldn't be good enough "when you go up".  They seemed decent blokes but I assumed they were binge drinking.

The above could well be true, but as we've definitely got at least one more season down here (and maybe a few more) i'll take it. Rhodes would've been exactly the same and he's even but up to the PL and been found out if you take them letting go so soon as proof

Hogan ... who knows what'll happen
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Diablo on February 02, 2017, 03:27:34 PM
Great interview with him on AVTV appears to have a fantastic attitude, talks about rising through the leagues and recovering from his injury after 21 months. If he plays as well as he comes across in that interview I think quite of few of us will be very happy.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: andyh on February 02, 2017, 04:19:09 PM
Watching his YouTube videos and his goals, he is obviously a 'fox in the box' type player.
 We are going to have to make sure we have a damn sight more action in the 18 yard area, than we are used to, to get the most from him.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: BOB MANSFIELD on February 02, 2017, 04:29:18 PM
Yes, it looks more like a Deano than a Rambo now.
he should be able to pick up all the scuffs and mis-kicks that Kodjia and Adomah (especially) seem to miss out on.
Good Luck Mr Hogan.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: ozzjim on February 02, 2017, 11:32:34 PM
Works hard from the looks of him. That will be a big thing up front for us, because we don't get in the channels and press the ball as we should that allows us to push up. He will be an interesting signing. As for what he can do if we go up, most of us on here turned our noses up at Vardy when Sherwood wanted him. He got 24 last season. If you work hard as a striker in the premier league you can score a fair few goals. Until then if he scores 1 in 2 for us in the Championship hes worth the money.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 03, 2017, 08:55:42 PM
Good luck to him and we definitely need to improve the press up top, so hopefully he'll do that.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Clampy on February 04, 2017, 08:07:56 AM
I heard the manager of Brentford say last night when asked about the transfer "we placed  a valuation on the player and that figure was met".

(Translation- We placed an exorbitant valuation on him and fuck me Villa have been silly enough to pay it.) He at least had the good manners to keep a straight face.

I thought new signings had to have a least 70 minutes under their belt before someone moaned about them.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: saunders_heroes on February 04, 2017, 09:37:51 AM
I heard the manager of Brentford say last night when asked about the transfer "we placed  a valuation on the player and that figure was met".

(Translation- We placed an exorbitant valuation on him and fuck me Villa have been silly enough to pay it.) He at least had the good manners to keep a straight face.

I thought new signings had to have a least 70 minutes under their belt before someone moaned about them.

Even I gave Westwood, Bennett, Lowton etc 90 minutes before I wrote them off (albeit in a friendly).
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Clampy on February 04, 2017, 10:43:08 AM
I didn't mind Lowton too much. He wasn't great but he wasn't terrible either.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: garyshawsknee on February 04, 2017, 10:59:40 AM
He was always an upgrade on Hutton.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: chrisf on February 04, 2017, 11:16:47 AM
Even I gave Westwood, Bennett, Lowton etc 90 minutes before I wrote them off (albeit in a friendly).
Yep. Those terrible players, two of which are playing for mid-table Premier League Burnley and really shit Bennett who's level on points with us at Cardiff. I wouldn't argue that Westwood isn't shit mind.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Ads on February 04, 2017, 01:11:03 PM
Lowton was abysmal. No pace and no idea about his positioning.

Bennett was weak and easily bullied.

They were shit and still are shit. Westwood is utter shite too.

It's garbage like that  that saw us into the position we are now.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: clash city rocker on February 04, 2017, 01:30:43 PM
I'm sure when Vardy was playing for Fleetwood people would have laughed if you said one day he would have had a premiership winners medal. So let's hope Hogan can win the same ....with us  obviously
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 04, 2017, 01:43:17 PM
Lowton was abysmal. No pace and no idea about his positioning.

Bennett was weak and easily bullied.

They were shit and still are shit. Westwood is utter shite too.

It's garbage like that  that saw us into the position we are now.

Yep.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 04, 2017, 01:45:57 PM
I heard the manager of Brentford say last night when asked about the transfer "we placed  a valuation on the player and that figure was met".

(Translation- We placed an exorbitant valuation on him and fuck me Villa have been silly enough to pay it.) He at least had the good manners to keep a straight face.

I spoke to 3 blokes in the pub before the game and they reckoned the fee was ridiculous, he would be good for us in this division but wouldn't be good enough "when you go up".  They seemed decent blokes but I assumed they were binge drinking.

Off their tits on mind bending drugs, more like.

Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Chris Jameson on February 04, 2017, 01:53:03 PM
Is that why a pint in London costs so much? Fair enough.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 04, 2017, 07:12:42 PM
Impressed by him and I assume it wasn't Villa fans chanting 'what a waste of money'.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: LeeB on February 04, 2017, 07:15:41 PM
He'll do for me.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: itbrvilla on February 04, 2017, 07:16:30 PM
Looks good.  Shame about some of the others.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Deano's Mullet on February 04, 2017, 10:02:13 PM
Reminded me a bit of Dean Saunders in style and work rate. He'll score plenty provided Kodjia passes to him.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: QuintonVilla on February 04, 2017, 10:04:48 PM
He looked decent. We'll soon knock that out of him.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Clampy on February 04, 2017, 10:16:37 PM
He looked decent. We'll soon knock that out of him.

Yes, that's the spirit.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: JUAN PABLO on February 04, 2017, 10:40:21 PM
unlucky not to score . He will be a great signing.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: villan from luton on February 04, 2017, 10:47:39 PM
He was excellent and will be a top player for us. Kodjia should see the run Hogan made for his goal and realise it is a team game.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: CT on February 04, 2017, 11:20:20 PM
Thought Scott looked good today. He was the only one who closed down players properly and actually harried them on the ball.

I'm sure we can coach that nonsense out of him over the next few weeks at BMH.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: saunders_heroes on February 04, 2017, 11:36:23 PM
Even I gave Westwood, Bennett, Lowton etc 90 minutes before I wrote them off (albeit in a friendly).
Yep. Those terrible players, two of which are playing for mid-table Premier League Burnley and really shit Bennett who's level on points with us at Cardiff. I wouldn't argue that Westwood isn't shit mind.

They're all fuckin shit, a blind man could tell you that. Burnley won't last that long in the PL with crap like that in their team believe you me. Signing players like that over a 6 year period got us relegated. Have you not learned anything since 2010??
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Clark W Griswold on February 05, 2017, 12:00:51 AM
Hogan looks really good, I hope we don't wreck him by providing no ammunition and/or changing the system and tactics every week.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Ads on February 05, 2017, 04:05:28 AM
Should have scored at least one.

I like him. Nippy, stocky, good movement.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: ROBBO on February 05, 2017, 05:57:47 AM
I liked his debut the only query I have is everything seemed to go through Kodja and he is greedy.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: cheltenhamlion on February 07, 2017, 06:15:12 PM
Hogan can play. Don't worry about him. Home debut goal at the weekend.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 10, 2017, 04:00:47 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2017/feb/10/scott-hogan-angry-young-man-jamie-vardy-aston-villa

Good to know he can play for Ireland too.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: The Man With A Stick on February 10, 2017, 05:04:32 PM
Was glad to see that Hogan chose the number 9 shirt, not 28 or whatever.  It's nothing to be afraid of after all.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: manic-road on February 10, 2017, 06:08:08 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2017/feb/10/scott-hogan-angry-young-man-jamie-vardy-aston-villa

Good to know he can play for Ireland too.

Another article that states it was a transfer that could rise to £15m, I thought it was £9m with possible add ons up to £12m.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: andyh on February 11, 2017, 05:44:23 PM
Watching his YouTube videos and his goals, he is obviously a 'fox in the box' type player.
 We are going to have to make sure we have a damn sight more action in the 18 yard area, than we are used to, to get the most from him.
The poor fucker must wonder what the hell he has done signing for our pile of shite.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: LukeJames on February 11, 2017, 05:47:09 PM
I said when we signed him that the majority of his goals came from good midfield build up, he now plays for a club that by pass the midfield at every opportunity.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: brontebilly on February 11, 2017, 05:49:09 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2017/feb/10/scott-hogan-angry-young-man-jamie-vardy-aston-villa

Good to know he can play for Ireland too.

Has declined MON's efforts to date I believe

Pity as we dont have many options up top
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: CT on February 11, 2017, 05:55:50 PM
Watching his YouTube videos and his goals, he is obviously a 'fox in the box' type player.
 We are going to have to make sure we have a damn sight more action in the 18 yard area, than we are used to, to get the most from him.
The poor fucker must wonder what the hell he has done signing for our pile of shite.

Along with a few others I'm sure.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: levico on February 11, 2017, 05:57:31 PM
He wants to score 15 goals this season! He won't even get 15 chances.

No service at all today.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: wittonwarrior on February 11, 2017, 05:59:43 PM
Watching his YouTube videos and his goals, he is obviously a 'fox in the box' type player.
 We are going to have to make sure we have a damn sight more action in the 18 yard area, than we are used to, to get the most from him.
The poor fucker must wonder what the hell he has done signing for our pile of shite.

Along with a few others I'm sure.

Felt sorry for him today Kodja is so greedy   Hogan is the future you can see the way he peels off defenders
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: andyh on February 11, 2017, 06:02:23 PM
Watching his YouTube videos and his goals, he is obviously a 'fox in the box' type player.
 We are going to have to make sure we have a damn sight more action in the 18 yard area, than we are used to, to get the most from him.
The poor fucker must wonder what the hell he has done signing for our pile of shite.

Along with a few others I'm sure.

Felt sorry for him today Kodja is so greedy   Hogan is the future you can see the way he peels off defenders
You are right but he can peel all he wants.
If we can't/don't play to his strengths he may as well not bother.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on February 11, 2017, 06:05:59 PM
Bruce needs to sit them both down together and demand they form a partnership as right now Kodja is only playing for personal glory.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: London Villan on February 11, 2017, 06:52:13 PM
We will ruin him like we did with mccormack.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on February 11, 2017, 07:23:11 PM
Saw some positive signs today though not sure him and kodija will work
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: LukeJames on February 11, 2017, 07:24:29 PM
I think you're right but then I can't see kodjia working with anybody.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 11, 2017, 07:25:08 PM
He'll be the size of Fat Barry Austin within six months.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: CT on February 11, 2017, 07:45:14 PM
Saw some positive signs today though not sure him and kodija will work

I think we'll lose Kodjia in the summer anyway. There will be a Stoke / Albion type side who will want him.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on February 11, 2017, 07:53:15 PM
He'll be the size of Fat Barry Austin within six months.

That long?

as an aside fuck me the size of some of those ipswich players

the quality of this league and its officials is fucking appalling i hate it
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: achilles on February 11, 2017, 08:20:58 PM
I think the following says it all concerning the referee today:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/row-zed/luton-midfielder-cameron-mcgeehan-booked-9555532
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: dave shelley on February 11, 2017, 08:34:48 PM
I think the following says it all concerning the referee today:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/row-zed/luton-midfielder-cameron-mcgeehan-booked-9555532

Notwithstanding that I didn't see the game today so cannot comment on the referee but, that story is a load of bollocks.  No referee would book a player for punching the pitch.  I would suggest that he booked him for the tackle that resulted in the broken leg.  He could have handled it better; in a more discreet manner perhaps but, punching the pitch? not a hope.  Bullshit journalism again.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: frank black on February 11, 2017, 09:17:00 PM
Saw some positive signs today though not sure him and kodija will work

I think we'll lose Kodjia in the summer anyway. There will be a Stoke / Albion type side who will want him.

I don't think we will, he's not good enough and is not of the age where he is likely to improve. Good championship striker at best.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: DeKuip on February 12, 2017, 12:43:32 AM
Hogan's come from a team that threads the ball quickly and intelligently through midfield and play for each other to a team that likes clumsy centre backs to do all the forward passing/hoofing and he plays alongside a strike partner who wears blinkers and never once spotted Ross McCormack in his time here.
Good luck Scott, but wrong career move.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on February 12, 2017, 12:58:46 AM
Saw some positive signs today though not sure him and kodija will work

I think we'll lose Kodjia in the summer anyway. There will be a Stoke / Albion type side who will want him.

I don't think we will, he's not good enough and is not of the age where he is likely to improve. Good championship striker at best.

I agree. You nee to be aware you have team mates and are allowed to pass to them to be a really good player.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on February 12, 2017, 12:59:41 AM
We will ruin him like we did with mccormack.
m
Just Ross? Pretty sure we've ruined many, many more that that.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: ClaretAndBlueBlood on February 13, 2017, 10:42:49 AM
Saw some positive signs today though not sure him and kodija will work

I think we'll lose Kodjia in the summer anyway. There will be a Stoke / Albion type side who will want him.

I don't think we will, he's not good enough and is not of the age where he is likely to improve. Good championship striker at best.

I agree with you but then Rudy is back playing in the Prem
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 13, 2017, 05:27:36 PM
Kodjia's not that old is he.....his surname isn't spelt with a C!
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: BOB MANSFIELD on February 13, 2017, 08:55:49 PM
No, he's only 24 but he has been too deferential towards Kodjia and needs to quietly play much more for himself from now on ( because he knows it is a team game that does not include Kodjia )
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 20, 2017, 09:46:07 PM
Get well soon Scott.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: ozzjim on February 20, 2017, 09:56:13 PM
Hope it's not as bad as it looked. 
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Rudy65 on February 20, 2017, 09:57:28 PM
His career has been punctuated by bad injuries.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: brontebilly on February 20, 2017, 09:57:36 PM
Hogan and Kodjia seem on totally different wave lengths, Hogan looked a little overawed tonight imo pre-injury, needs a goal soon
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: manic-road on February 20, 2017, 09:59:00 PM
Hope it's not a bad injury.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Rudy65 on February 20, 2017, 09:59:37 PM
Hogan and Kodjia seem on totally different wave lengths, Hogan looked a little overawed tonight imo pre-injury, needs a goal soon

Zero service
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 20, 2017, 09:59:44 PM
He's a Villa player, of course it's a bad one.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: adrenachrome on February 20, 2017, 10:00:36 PM
Bamjaxed sine dubio.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: DaveD on February 20, 2017, 10:39:45 PM
As I said on the match thread, I did that three times playing basketball. You get a nudge in the air, you come down on the side of your ankle, and all your weight goes onto the joint, and it buckles and goes 90 degrees.

If he's avoided dislocation and bone damage, the ligaments will be torn or severely stretched. Best case - walking again in six weeks, running in twelve. But the joint will be horribly weak and will need serious strapping so it doesn't go again next time he jumps.

If he's dislocated or broken it, more like 6 months or more.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: OCD on February 20, 2017, 10:46:20 PM
I've had many ankle injuries before I eventually needed both ankles to be surgically reconstructed with 4 screws in one foot and 3 in the other being fixed. I agree with Dave's post and it's most likely his season over.

In terms of tactics, he was totally isolated all game. There were no runners from midfield getting up to play with him. With Jedinak holding and Lansbury/Hourihane in front of him, I would have thought we would have runners. Horribly poor how they switch off at the back though. 
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on February 20, 2017, 10:48:26 PM
Thats another one busted then. Jesus. Feel bad for him and us.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: paul_e on February 20, 2017, 10:59:03 PM
I mostly agree other than I've broken mine like that and was back after 5 weeks. The club physio at the time (who was also a surgeon so knew his stuff) said I was lucky the bone went because if it hadn't and I'd dislocated it and/or torn the ligaments I'd have been out for much, much longer.  It depends entirely on where the break is, mine was on the fibula about an inch above the joint which is fairly easily cast and heals 'clean'.  A break in your foot is much harder to get set and so takes a lot longer.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: BC Villain on February 20, 2017, 11:04:38 PM
Looked really nasty.  Fingers crossed it's not as bad as feared.  Chin up Scott.

2 other things.  Credit to the Newcastle fans for applauding him off.  Also, I notice only Hutton went over to him.  Shows little team spirit
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 21, 2017, 12:25:16 AM
The injury looked bad, the sad thing is that was the only time in the second half you knew he was on the pitch, I am not saying it his fault but our number 9 was totally anonymous for most of the game.
Something not right.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: mr underhill on February 21, 2017, 05:17:27 AM
something's not right is the understatement of this or any other century.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: aev on February 21, 2017, 06:47:52 AM
Nice of his teammates to rush over and check how he was doing. When one did eventually trot over, it was Hutton. I reckon Hogan was lucky the clumsy one didn't tread on the ankle.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: sid1964 on February 21, 2017, 06:54:08 AM
First thought when he went off on a stretcher was that sitting at home Gabby must have been thinking I am now guaranteed a starting place in the team for the next few months!!!

Hutton only went over to get a drink!
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: oldtimernow on February 21, 2017, 08:17:39 AM
off down Kozak Way?
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: N'ZMAV on February 21, 2017, 08:43:58 AM
First thought when he went off on a stretcher was that sitting at home Gabby must have been thinking I am now guaranteed a starting place in the team for the next few months!!!

Hutton only went over to get a drink!
thankfully, Gabby is injured.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Clampy on February 21, 2017, 09:10:11 AM
First thought when he went off on a stretcher was that sitting at home Gabby must have been thinking I am now guaranteed a starting place in the team for the next few months!!!

Hutton only went over to get a drink!
thankfully, Gabby is injured.

Whilst he's past his best, being glad a player is injured is astonshing really.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: brian green on February 21, 2017, 09:13:39 AM
I think the implication was not revelling in a player being hurt, more the relief that Gabby cannot be considered for selection.  That's the way I read it anyway.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Villatillidie25 on February 21, 2017, 09:18:25 AM
maybe RHM will come into the fold now?
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Brend'Watkins on February 21, 2017, 09:26:29 AM
maybe RHM will come into the fold now?

We have to try him. On the plus side he might not feel the pressure as much as a new signing.  That's my hope anyway. I hope Hogan has a speedy recovery but to be honest I don't know what we'll miss if we are going to miss him.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Clampy on February 21, 2017, 09:29:16 AM
I think RHM is injured or he was but yes, i'd give him a go as well.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: brian green on February 21, 2017, 09:32:29 AM
Cruel thing to say but it may be a blessing in disguise for Scott.  There are some horrible times ahead for us in the run in.  Some players careers may well be broken by them.  I wonder what we would have been saying about Richie De Laet if he had been playing through this period.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: aj2k77 on February 21, 2017, 10:33:26 AM
First thought when he went off on a stretcher was that sitting at home Gabby must have been thinking I am now guaranteed a starting place in the team for the next few months!!!

Hutton only went over to get a drink!
thankfully, Gabby is injured.

Whilst he's past his best, being glad a player is injured is astonshing really.

Gabby is a freeloading twat, he can do one. He's a grown man who has trousered millions whilst partying around like snoop dogg and about as out of shape as you can get as a professional athlete. He doesn't care, therefore fuck him, I hope he's out for the rest of the season.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: mr underhill on February 21, 2017, 10:33:38 AM
Kozak's out for the season ( forever, then) so we are looking very light up top.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: aj2k77 on February 21, 2017, 10:35:51 AM
Kozak is a carthorse anyway, offers nothing, the bloke is finished.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Pete3206 on February 21, 2017, 11:15:11 AM
Nice
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: OCD on February 21, 2017, 12:49:21 PM
Regarding the comments that we won't be missing much - we've started creating chances again, which is something at least but there's very little supply and we're playing 1 up top and then not having runners from midfield.

Luckily the talk is that it's a sprain, in which case we've got off lightly and it's best case scenario.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Mister E on February 21, 2017, 01:20:53 PM
Hogan could be an enormous asset to us if only we could play to his strengths - long, high, hopeful punts will not be exploited by a player who prefers to use his considerable pace with the ball on the ground, through the channels. Seeking to use the full backs to provide the killer pass (or, even worse, the CB) is not a strategy favouring either Hogan or Kodjia.
I hope he gets fit, and I hope that RHM (if / when fit) also gets a meaningful run-out.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: itbrvilla on February 21, 2017, 01:29:05 PM
Hogan could be an enormous asset to us if only we could play to his strengths - long, high, hopeful punts will not be exploited by a player who prefers to use his considerable pace with the ball on the ground, through the channels. Seeking to use the full backs to provide the killer pass (or, even worse, the CB) is not a strategy favouring either Hogan or Kodjia.
I hope he gets fit, and I hope that RHM (if / when fit) also gets a meaningful run-out.
Spot on. Same can be said for many of our players I.e. not playing to their strengths.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Ads on February 21, 2017, 01:32:32 PM
He looked in agony last night stamping his left foot down repeatedly while holding his head with his hands.

If he's got away with no ligament damage then that's good news.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: curiousorange on February 21, 2017, 02:53:18 PM
If his foot's just sprained, that is brilliant news. He hasn't contributed what he's clearly worth yet, but if he's able to play at all this season, Bruce has to find a spot for him rather than just an add-on. Kodjia is not going to be prolific enough to get us out of this, while Hogan was at Brentford. Why he's persevered with Kodjia being his main goalscorer I can't work out.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Villatillidie25 on February 21, 2017, 03:13:08 PM
If his foot's just sprained, that is brilliant news. He hasn't contributed what he's clearly worth yet, but if he's able to play at all this season, Bruce has to find a spot for him rather than just an add-on. Kodjia is not going to be prolific enough to get us out of this, while Hogan was at Brentford. Why he's persevered with Kodjia being his main goalscorer I can't work out.

I would probably argue that buying Hogan in the first place suggests Bruce does not see Kodjia as the long-term main goal threat. The fact that we are still so disjointed and aren't using Hogan to his strengths is probably symptomatic of our current plight, rather than an indication that Bruce expects Kodjia to remain the main goal scorer.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: mr underhill on February 21, 2017, 03:49:55 PM
Kodjia's got a move to a mid-table PL side nailed on imo.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: brian green on February 21, 2017, 03:53:31 PM
Everton at a guess.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: LukeJames on February 21, 2017, 03:53:53 PM
Kodjia is nowhere near mid table Premier League standard.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: mr underhill on February 21, 2017, 03:55:49 PM
I humbly beg to differ - he could do a useful job at any number of lower status PL clubs
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: manic-road on February 21, 2017, 03:58:14 PM
I humbly beg to differ - he could do a useful job at any number of lower status PL clubs

Agree, he is far better than Ayew and he got a move to the Prem league albeit not a mid table one at the moment.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: LukeJames on February 21, 2017, 03:59:14 PM
No chance, there's a reason why he's 28 and spent his career in France and at the arse end of the Championship, he doesn't have the awareness to play at a higher level.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: aev on February 21, 2017, 04:31:09 PM
No chance, there's a reason why he's 28 and spent his career in France and at the arse end of the Championship, he doesn't have the awareness to play at a higher level.

I agree with you there - there certainly doesn't appear to be any coaching that has improved him in his time with us.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: brian green on February 21, 2017, 04:37:31 PM
One of the reasons he is 28 and has been around the lower sides is that he is training to graduate with an accountancy degree from the Sorbonne.  He is not your average booze, bling and birds young footballer.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Chris Jameson on February 21, 2017, 04:44:54 PM
He's a Watford player if ever i've seen one.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: WarszaVillan82 on February 21, 2017, 04:51:58 PM
I just don't understand two things. One, why get rid of 3 strikers in the transfer window and sign only one (leaving us with Gabby and kids as back up)? And two, why only sign a striker who's main trait is to feed off through balls when we don't play that way and what we needed was someone who could hold the ball up and bring our other forward players into the game (or even play with Hogan in a front two)? 
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Villatillidie25 on February 21, 2017, 05:25:32 PM
I just don't understand two things. One, why get rid of 3 strikers in the transfer window and sign only one (leaving us with Gabby and kids as back up)? And two, why only sign a striker who's main trait is to feed off through balls when we don't play that way and what we needed was someone who could hold the ball up and bring our other forward players into the game (or even play with Hogan in a front two)? 

because we are Villa and generally seem to have no strategy in our transfer policy (glass half empty). Either that, or there is a clear plan on how we want to play and it is just taking a while for us to bed that down and get the players clicking etc. (glass half full)
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: N'ZMAV on February 21, 2017, 06:12:03 PM
I think the implication was not revelling in a player being hurt, more the relief that Gabby cannot be considered for selection.  That's the way I read it anyway.
You read it correct, Brian.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: N'ZMAV on February 21, 2017, 06:17:45 PM
First thought when he went off on a stretcher was that sitting at home Gabby must have been thinking I am now guaranteed a starting place in the team for the next few months!!!

Hutton only went over to get a drink!
thankfully, Gabby is injured.

Whilst he's past his best, being glad a player is injured is astonshing really.
Who is glad a player is injured? I'm not :)
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Ian J on February 21, 2017, 06:50:50 PM
Gabby actually done ok in his last match and I wish he was fit and ready for action. We might bloody well need him soon.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: brian green on February 21, 2017, 06:55:35 PM
We need that goal scoring phenomenon.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: wince on February 21, 2017, 07:00:45 PM
Gabby and his flapping arms as he runs off shouting his own name.....gabby! Gaahby......gahhhhhbeee......if he I our only hope, we might as well get big mac from forest
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: nick harper on February 21, 2017, 07:09:10 PM
I feel very sorry for Hogan but a striker coming in January to a dysfunctional side like ours was always going to be a massive challenge for him. He is better off out of it till the summer when the club can regroup, hopefully in this league.

In the meantime Bruce needs to concentrate on the shape he needs to persist with. Gabby as the target man (and he was showing some sparks of his capabilities before his injury) in a 4-3-3 or 4-5-1. He is the only striker we have left who can play the kind of role which best suits the way this side needs to set up.

My hope is that Hogan's misfortune will force Bruce's hand - and hope is all I have.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: mr underhill on February 21, 2017, 09:15:49 PM
If that means relying on gabby we're fucked
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Ads on February 21, 2017, 09:18:03 PM
Kodjia is the main forward. We are short. I think RHM and Gabby will both play a role when fit.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: VillaAlways on February 22, 2017, 03:16:18 PM
Back within 4-5 weeks is what I'm hearing on Twitter
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: mr underhill on February 22, 2017, 03:18:29 PM
that would be great news
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Villatillidie25 on February 22, 2017, 03:20:26 PM
Back within 4-5 weeks is what I'm hearing on Twitter

Where you getting this from? Just did a quick scan and all that has been stated so for is the Mail saying, "Scott Hogan could be back within a month if scan results reveal his ankle injury is not as bad as first feared."
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: saunders_heroes on February 23, 2017, 11:48:49 AM
Has there been any official word on Hogan's injury?
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 23, 2017, 12:16:00 PM
I'd be surprised if we see him again this season.

Hopefully it won't be the sort of injury that eats into pre season otherwise that will mess him up for next year aswell.

Big thing again is how do we get the best out of him. From what I saw v Barnsley he was certainly playing through the middle and Kodjia was out wide where he likes to drift anyway so to me it looks a better fit than McCormack trying to be fitted into the team.

He just needs a goal I think and then he'll be scoring at a decent rate.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Villafirst on February 23, 2017, 01:06:16 PM
Has there been any official word on Hogan's injury?

Amazed at how long it's taking the club to announce what the injury is and estimated time on the sidelines.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Chris Jameson on February 23, 2017, 03:03:47 PM
Has there been any official word on Hogan's injury?

Amazed at how long it's taking the club to announce what the injury is and estimated time on the sidelines.

Maybe they don't know themselves and why does everything have to be announced as soon as possible?
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: VillaAlways on February 23, 2017, 03:09:28 PM
I'd imagine we will find out at SB press conference tomorrow.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Richard E on February 23, 2017, 03:10:34 PM
That Villa Transfers guy on Twitter reckons the scans don't look too bad but no prognosis yet. He was spot on with anything medical related during the January window.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Gareth on February 23, 2017, 03:44:55 PM
Has there been any official word on Hogan's injury?

Amazed at how long it's taking the club to announce what the injury is and estimated time on the sidelines.

Isn't it normal practice with that type of injury, have to let some of swelling go down before doing scans?

Not sure that's a Villa problem
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: eamonn on February 23, 2017, 04:17:30 PM
Villa shouldn't shoulder the blame for Mother Nature, just some of her bastard offspring.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: BOB MANSFIELD on February 23, 2017, 08:47:18 PM
I don't think you can say that, these days, can you ? Is there such a thing any longer. I don't think so.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: OCD on February 23, 2017, 08:56:07 PM
Has there been any official word on Hogan's injury?

Amazed at how long it's taking the club to announce what the injury is and estimated time on the sidelines.

Isn't it normal practice with that type of injury, have to let some of swelling go down before doing scans?

Not sure that's a Villa problem

Yeah, you can't do the scans for about 48 hours when there's a lot of swelling.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 23, 2017, 11:15:40 PM
It might've been aswell the initial scan was inconclusive and they wait a day to do another one. You get that sometimes with injuries....main thing for me hopefully is this won't be a real serious injury...he was out of 18 months with one at Brentford wasn't he?
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: saunders_heroes on February 23, 2017, 11:59:03 PM
It might've been aswell the initial scan was inconclusive and they wait a day to do another one. You get that sometimes with injuries....main thing for me hopefully is this won't be a real serious injury...he was out of 18 months with one at Brentford wasn't he?

I think he's had 2 serious injuries in the last few seasons.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 24, 2017, 12:06:26 AM
It's always a worry as the knees are weakened then with all the operations but guess you take the risk on players who can make a difference...it worked out very well with Sir McGrath and we got a decent 18 months out of Laursen.

I'm not optimistic with Hogan than I was with McCormack....I think Scott will poach goals for us so hopefully he can get fit and chip in with a few before the end of the season so that can give him confidence for next year.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 24, 2017, 07:29:12 AM
4-5 weeks I heard yesterday.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: VillaAlways on February 24, 2017, 09:14:29 AM
Good news

Injury news: Steve Bruce confirms @ScottHogan_9 injury not as bad as first feared - could be out for 4-5 weeks. #AVFC
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: UK Redsox on February 24, 2017, 09:44:00 AM
That's still 6 to 8 games
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Rigadon on February 24, 2017, 09:52:19 AM
But not career threatening as originally feared by some.  Let's hope he comes back into a much more settled side / vibe and lives up to the hype
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 24, 2017, 10:44:10 AM
Good news for Scott.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: N'ZMAV on February 24, 2017, 10:56:35 AM
4-5 weeks I heard yesterday.
We'll have a new manager by then.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Chris Jameson on February 24, 2017, 12:24:34 PM
4-5 weeks I heard yesterday.
We'll have a new manager by then.

And have a poll running to determine whether he should be sacked.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Risso on February 24, 2017, 12:33:36 PM
4-5 weeks I heard yesterday.
We'll have a new manager by then.

And have a poll running to determine whether he should be sacked.

Can I be the first to say "Ranieri Out!"
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: UK Redsox on February 24, 2017, 12:38:57 PM

Can I be the first to say "Ranieri Out!"

If Tone could persuade Ranieri to come to Villa, I say fire Bruce today
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Post by: chrisw1 on February 24, 2017, 12:42:15 PM

Can I be the first to say "Ranieri Out!"

If Tone could persuade Ranieri to come to Villa, I say fire Bruce today
Because he's been brilliant at motivating an under performing team in a terminal slide?

Right...
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Clark W Griswold on February 24, 2017, 12:44:35 PM
I like Ranieri but I don't think he'd turn us around either.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: mr underhill on February 24, 2017, 02:48:50 PM
he's the guy we should have gone after when MON walked out, but not now.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 24, 2017, 10:15:58 PM
he's the guy we should have gone after when MON walked out, but not now.

Who Mark Hughes....have a feeling his time at Stoke is coming to an end.

I reckon with a big budget he'd be tempted to drop down a division.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: PaulTheVillan on February 24, 2017, 10:19:37 PM
he's the guy we should have gone after when MON walked out, but not now.

Who Mark Hughes....have a feeling his time at Stoke is coming to an end.

I reckon with a big budget he'd be tempted to drop down a division.

He'd need a big budget to take all the staff he does to the clubs he takes on. Rumour is he takes 100 or so backroom staff, totally clears out the whole clubs. I rate the bloke, but not sure he'd do any better than Bruce at the moment with what we've got
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: adrenachrome on February 24, 2017, 11:52:47 PM
he's the guy we should have gone after when MON walked out, but not now.

Who Mark Hughes....have a feeling his time at Stoke is coming to an end.

I reckon with a big budget he'd be tempted to drop down a division.

He'd need a big budget to take all the staff he does to the clubs he takes on. Rumour is he takes 100 or so backroom staff, totally clears out the whole clubs. I rate the bloke, but not sure he'd do any better than Bruce at the moment with what we've got

Good point. Big Fat Sam is much the same, although on a lesser scale. These geezers have lasting trust in all manner of back room staff which is anathema to the likes of us. MoN walked out with an army of less than 8 and we were fucked for a decade and possibly two.

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Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: UK Redsox on March 03, 2017, 12:29:12 PM
Injury update

Quote from: Bruce
but Scottie Hogan is a bit of a plus. He might be just a couple of weeks now, rather than the months which we first though
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Diablo on April 03, 2017, 12:14:43 PM
Do we know what is up with Hogan and if he'll be ok for Tuesday? Hope his injury isn't anything serious would like him to really bed in and get going for the remainder of this season.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: peter w on April 03, 2017, 12:16:45 PM
Apparently nothing serious but a bit of a twinge on the ankle he injured at Newcastle. I really would just wrap him in cotton woll and leave well alone now. What really is the point and benefit of risking further injury?
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Diablo on April 03, 2017, 12:28:09 PM
Apparently nothing serious but a bit of a twinge on the ankle he injured at Newcastle. I really would just wrap him in cotton woll and leave well alone now. What really is the point and benefit of risking further injury?

Ah good news. Yeah not worth risking causing any lasting damage but I'm sure he would like to kick start his Villa career and get some more goals under his belt (he definitely seemed to enjoy his first) and also gain a better understanding with JK and his new team mates. In his initial interview Scott Hogan seemed pretty keen to get going - and he did seem genuine even to my increasingly sceptical mind. I think he'll be a really big player for us next season (injury permitting).
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on April 06, 2017, 11:56:34 AM
Watched him closely in the pre match warm up and when he came on for a short stint (where he barely got a touch) .

He`s a stocky lad and doesn't appear to have much pace - slightly overweight?

It was interesting watching him having shots in on the keeper - he was shocking , poor control, mis-hit most of his shots at goal and didn't look too interested .
Hopefully he will pick up fitness pre-season and get some vital goals for us next year.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Matt Collins on April 07, 2017, 09:59:38 PM
If you watch his goals on YouTube they're mostly good finishes but definitely don't look the sort of goal you'd get in the premier league or involve much skill etc

I hope I'm wrong but I haven't seen anything to suggest he's worth what we paid

With kodjia, frustrating as he can be, you could tell he had something from day one
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 07, 2017, 11:26:58 PM
Bloody hell give him a chance.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: TonyD on April 07, 2017, 11:55:12 PM
Bloody hell give him a chance.
Like somebody who is for some of us , class.   JG
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Ads on April 08, 2017, 12:08:52 AM
Hogan isn't slow.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: villan from luton on April 08, 2017, 12:28:56 AM
Watched him closely in the pre match warm up and when he came on for a short stint (where he barely got a touch) .

He`s a stocky lad and doesn't appear to have much pace - slightly overweight?

It was interesting watching him having shots in on the keeper - he was shocking , poor control, mis-hit most of his shots at goal and didn't look too interested .
Hopefully he will pick up fitness pre-season and get some vital goals for us next year.

I am not too sure about these comments tbh
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: villan from luton on April 08, 2017, 12:54:27 AM
If you watch his goals on YouTube they're mostly good finishes but definitely don't look the sort of goal you'd get in the premier league or involve much skill etc

I hope I'm wrong but I haven't seen anything to suggest he's worth what we paid

With kodjia, frustrating as he can be, you could tell he had something from day one

What sort of goals do you get in the premier league?
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Diablo on April 08, 2017, 01:12:28 AM
He's shown (in this league) he can score with his head and with either foot. If he gets through one on one he can certainly find the back of the net (seemed to get a lot of his goals this way). He set up JK's first goal with a great pass before he went off injured against Norwich I wouldn't write him off just yet.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Matt Collins on April 08, 2017, 06:57:55 AM
If you watch his goals on YouTube they're mostly good finishes but definitely don't look the sort of goal you'd get in the premier league or involve much skill etc

I hope I'm wrong but I haven't seen anything to suggest he's worth what we paid

With kodjia, frustrating as he can be, you could tell he had something from day one

What sort of goals do you get in the premier league?

Not generally ones where you can stand in the middle of he box and be found by a simple through ball. You probably need an outstanding attribute to get a lot of goals: pace, heading ability, finishing ability, skill, power etc

I will very much give him a chance and could easily be wrong, but it's an opinion that's all

Edit: actually I'm being a bit unfair - I thought he did have some moments of real quality in the Forest game. But the pass through to Kodjia against Norwich really wasn't anything special - I'd expect any player to be able to do that. With the exception of gestede and NRC
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Mister E on April 08, 2017, 08:46:36 AM
I think Hogan shows real goal scoring instincts ... let's give him the chance to prove it.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: PeterWithe on April 08, 2017, 09:19:56 AM
Didn't I read that a poster had discussed Hogan with some Brentford fans who opined that whilst he would score all day at Championship level, they didn't think he'd cut it in the Prem?

Let's cross that bridge when we come to it, I hope we can put together a very competitive side for next year and we will then need to think about a major rebuilding project if we go up.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: tomd2103 on April 08, 2017, 09:20:39 AM
From what I have seen of him so far, I think he would be far better suited to a formation with a 'number 10' style playmaker.  He makes some good runs off the ball, but there isn't really anyone in the side at the moment to put him in.  He isn't going to be the sort who you can pump balls up to and expect it to stick.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: PeterWithe on April 08, 2017, 09:21:46 AM
Yup, he'd probably do best with Jack in the team. Then again, I said that about McCormack.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Clampy on April 08, 2017, 12:02:14 PM
I haven't seen enough of him yet to say what I think of him so far. He's probably still settling in to his new suroundings.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: garyfouroaks on April 08, 2017, 07:23:24 PM
Looked hopeless today.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Matt Collins on April 08, 2017, 07:37:37 PM
Yup, he'd probably do best with Jack in the team. Then again, I said that about McCormack.

McCormack and jack want to play in the same position

I think at Brentford he did play lone striker with a link man behind
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Ads on April 08, 2017, 07:45:52 PM
Looked hopeless today.

No.he didn't, he looked completely isolated and starved of any chances or support.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 08, 2017, 07:50:38 PM
I've not really a big fan of forwards who desperately need others to create chances for them.

In the modern game you need your central striker to be so much more than that if you want to advance as a team.

We saw that with Darren Bent. Very good with Young and Downing either side of him but as soon as both left he became a bit of a luxury player as if he wasn't tapping them in it was very much 10 men on the pitch as he hardly touched the ball.

I much prefer forwards like Benteke and Kodjia who can create chances out of nothing with their pace and trickery. Even Gabby when he was bothered could do this.

That said I'm still willing to give Hogan a chance as it's been a bit stop start so far with injuries and having to play understudy to Johnny K. I do think he'll chip in with his fair share next season and be a much better player for the club than McCormack has been.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Ads on April 08, 2017, 08:01:01 PM
If he's going to create chances for himself then he needs the ball.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Rudy65 on April 08, 2017, 08:07:43 PM
No service whatsoever today. Need to play through the channels to benefit him.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 08, 2017, 08:11:04 PM
If he's going to create chances for himself then he needs the ball.

He's playing with the same players Kodjia is?
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: old man villa fan on April 08, 2017, 08:26:55 PM
If he's going to create chances for himself then he needs the ball.

He's playing with the same players Kodjia is?

and they don't create chances for him either.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 08, 2017, 08:33:06 PM
If he's going to create chances for himself then he needs the ball.

He's playing with the same players Kodjia is?

and they don't create chances for him either.

The goal on Tuesday was a chance created for Kodjia.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: paul_e on April 08, 2017, 08:58:47 PM
Hogan is a strange one for me in that I don't really get why Bruce wanted him.  He's not quick enough to chase things down and score with breaks from the halfway line and he's not big enough or strong enough to hold it up and make chances for people arriving late.  If you're going to play as deep as we do then you need strikers that fit 1 of those.  It's not like Bruce has has huge success with 'fox in the box' type strikers before, and certainly not playing 1 of them up front on his own.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 08, 2017, 10:39:28 PM
Hogan is a strange one for me in that I don't really get why Bruce wanted him.  He's not quick enough to chase things down and score with breaks from the halfway line and he's not big enough or strong enough to hold it up and make chances for people arriving late.  If you're going to play as deep as we do then you need strikers that fit 1 of those.  It's not like Bruce has has huge success with 'fox in the box' type strikers before, and certainly not playing 1 of them up front on his own.

Yes I worry it was a lazy signing like RDM did with McCormack e.g. just look at how is up there in the championship goal scoring charts and sign them without any real idea how to fit them into the team.

SB has a hit and miss record with strikers at previous clubs but then I suppose most managers are like that.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: itbrvilla on April 09, 2017, 07:49:10 AM
Hogan is a strange one for me in that I don't really get why Bruce wanted him.  He's not quick enough to chase things down and score with breaks from the halfway line and he's not big enough or strong enough to hold it up and make chances for people arriving late.  If you're going to play as deep as we do then you need strikers that fit 1 of those.  It's not like Bruce has has huge success with 'fox in the box' type strikers before, and certainly not playing 1 of them up front on his own.

Yes I worry it was a lazy signing like RDM did with McCormack e.g. just look at how is up there in the championship goal scoring charts and sign them without any real idea how to fit them into the team.

SB has a hit and miss record with strikers at previous clubs but then I suppose most managers are like that.
A lot of our transfers feel like that. We've been ripped off for most of them. Only Kod and Chester look like value for money players
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Clark W Griswold on April 09, 2017, 10:18:23 AM
There is an extreme case of verbal diarrea on this thread. A real steaming pile of fly infested horseshit.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Clampy on April 09, 2017, 10:24:06 AM
Their does seem to be a lack of paitence with new players nowadays if they don't hit the ground running.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: in exile on April 09, 2017, 10:26:12 AM
Mmmm...horseshit
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Chris Smith on April 09, 2017, 11:00:22 AM
Their does seem to be a lack of paitence with new players nowadays if they don't hit the ground running.

Absolutely. His time with us has been disrupted by injuries, until he has had an unbroken run of games and the chance to develop a partnership with Kodjia then we cannot form any sort of informed judgement.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on April 09, 2017, 11:41:58 AM
Watched him closely in the pre match warm up and when he came on for a short stint (where he barely got a touch) .

He`s a stocky lad and doesn't appear to have much pace - slightly overweight?

It was interesting watching him having shots in on the keeper - he was shocking , poor control, mis-hit most of his shots at goal and didn't look too interested .
Hopefully he will pick up fitness pre-season and get some vital goals for us next year.

I am not too sure about these comments tbh


These were my observations on the night  - I was sitting at the front of the Holte and had a very good view. To be blunt I didn't recognise him at first - I honestly thought he was one of the coaching staff at first, as his technique and physique did not marry up with my idea of a professional footballer.
He sounds like the kind of striker who will thrive on playing alongside another and will not shine as a lone striker.

I hope he comes good but my first observation of him was disappointing.

Yesterday, as Tuesday it sounds like he had little service - not his fault, but surely SB and the coaches  must know his strengths by now - however my recollection in front of goal, pre match Tuesday was that he did not appear interested - just my opinion  :)
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Risso on April 09, 2017, 11:47:00 AM
Their does seem to be a lack of paitence with new players nowadays if they don't hit the ground running.

Absolutely. His time with us has been disrupted by injuries, until he has had an unbroken run of games and the chance to develop a partnership with Kodjia then we cannot form any sort of informed judgement.

Be nice to get the occasional player who just got on with things.  We've been told to be patient with loads of players who then just don't amount to anything.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Clampy on April 09, 2017, 11:52:57 AM
Their does seem to be a lack of paitence with new players nowadays if they don't hit the ground running.

Absolutely. His time with us has been disrupted by injuries, until he has had an unbroken run of games and the chance to develop a partnership with Kodjia then we cannot form any sort of informed judgement.

Be nice to get the occasional player who just got on with things.  We've been told to be patient with loads of players who then just don't amount to anything.

Well Kodjia has and Chester settled in ok.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: paul_e on April 09, 2017, 12:28:28 PM
There is an extreme case of verbal diarrea on this thread. A real steaming pile of fly infested horseshit.

Please do clarify which posts don't meet your standards and, if you like, share an opinion yourself.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: brontebilly on April 09, 2017, 01:41:28 PM
Their does seem to be a lack of paitence with new players nowadays if they don't hit the ground running.

Absolutely. His time with us has been disrupted by injuries, until he has had an unbroken run of games and the chance to develop a partnership with Kodjia then we cannot form any sort of informed judgement.

I don't think any forward would be able to develop an understanding with Kodjia, he does his own thing. They combined well for Kodjia's goal last week mind but I don't see that being a regular occurrence.

Playing with two up top leaves us very short in midfield particularly if the duo are Jedinak and Lansbury who aren't the most mobile.

Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on April 15, 2017, 06:08:11 PM
Wasn`t at the game so am unable to comment on his performance - did he miss a sitter?
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Ads on April 15, 2017, 06:20:17 PM
No. It was a chance he should have scored, but it wasn't a sitter.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: olaftab on April 15, 2017, 06:31:42 PM
He does look a poor one footed player with very bad first touch. However I hope we can get something out of him to justify big transfer fee.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on April 15, 2017, 06:44:43 PM
There have been lots of changes in personnel this season and maybe they haven't gelled yet but some have been quite disappointing to say the least.
My comments of the 6th and 9th April about Hogan are based upon a very short observation of him I admit but I wasn't impressed with his body language or ball control.
Lets hope he comes good next season -
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Brend'Watkins on April 15, 2017, 08:25:04 PM
No. It was a chance he should have scored, but it wasn't a sitter.

He is good at possibly one thing and the reason we bought him. He should have at least hit the target. He has so far been a complete and utter waste of a lot of money.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: kiddylion on April 15, 2017, 08:33:33 PM
Nothing like giving the bloke a chance
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: wittonwarrior on April 15, 2017, 09:05:21 PM
Without a doubt need to give me next season  to see if  he cuts the grade  or not.  Some  substance in stating  that it may be difficult to play with  Kodjia.  There again I am not a qualified  football  coach so will leave it to the professionals to work that one out.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Brend'Watkins on April 15, 2017, 09:20:10 PM
Nothing like giving the bloke a chance

For 12 million I'd expect him at least to hit the target. He's a professional footballer, his position is striker. We bought him because he's was good at that for his last club so it's reasonable to expect him to at the very least hit the target bearing in mind it's his forte. He offered nothing else to the team during his stint on the pitch.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: LukeJames on April 15, 2017, 09:25:16 PM
No. It was a chance he should have scored, but it wasn't a sitter.

He is good at possibly one thing and the reason we bought him. He should have at least hit the target. He has so far been a complete and utter waste of a lot of money.

He scored goals for fun in a team that knew how to get the ball from midfield to the forwards quickly, we're never going to be that team under Bruce.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Clampy on April 15, 2017, 09:28:07 PM
Nothing like giving the bloke a chance

For 12 million I'd expect him at least to hit the target.

He didn't set the price, his last club did.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: kiddylion on April 15, 2017, 10:57:14 PM
Nothing like giving the bloke a chance

For 12 million I'd expect him at least to hit the target.

He didn't set the price, his last club did.

Even Gareth Bale misses the target sometimes & he cost 80 million
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: villan from luton on April 15, 2017, 11:59:52 PM
He does look a poor one footed player with very bad first touch. However I hope we can get something out of him to justify big transfer fee.

He has a good goalscoring record though mate, so obviously has something. Don't you think we should be starting him now?

imilarly, Houriane was excellent for Barnsley and one of the best players in the division, not looks average.

Maybe the manager should play to the players strengths? That said, he should have scored with that chance
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: olaftab on April 16, 2017, 12:19:26 AM
Yes I agree both Hogan and Hourihane should play regularly in their preferred positions so that we can maximise our strength.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: paul_e on April 16, 2017, 12:36:23 AM
Yes I agree both Hogan and Hourihane should play regularly in their preferred positions so that we can maximise our strength.

Yep, I'd try to find a way to let Hourihane and Lansbury play 10 yards further up the pitch and let Hogan play much closer to Kodjia.  Until we give that a go we're not going to see how any of them can settle in.

I'd be tempted to try getting Jedi to sit and then play Hourihane, Lansbury and Grealish as a 3 in front (sort of like a diamond) with Kodjia and Hogan ahead of them.  All three are capable of making a yard and getting crosses in so they can drift in to out to find bits of space and create gaps for each other.  We'd need to train them as a unit though and that's where any attacking plans fall down because the training either isn't there or isn't effective.

What I can't accept is the idea that the players themselves aren't good enough.  Most of the squad we have now are players who've done it this level or better and yet many of them look lost, I just don't see how that isn't the fault of something other than their own abilities.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: villan from luton on April 16, 2017, 12:38:12 AM
I was so impressed with Hogans movement at Forest, we need to find a way to get him and Kodjia together and we need to do it now.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: aj2k77 on April 16, 2017, 12:52:44 AM
To be fair to all the signings, they've come in to a team that are set up to play defensively.

Hogan, Lansbury, Hourihane, they are going to look like different players when they are in a set up that prioritises keeping the opposition out rather than attacking as a team.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: villan from luton on April 16, 2017, 12:58:45 AM
I am all for tough defences, but we have some talented players for this division and I am worried that the manager is more about nullifying teams that should really be bullied
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: passitsideways on April 16, 2017, 12:57:03 PM
Yes I agree both Hogan and Hourihane should play regularly in their preferred positions so that we can maximise our strength.

Yep, I'd try to find a way to let Hourihane and Lansbury play 10 yards further up the pitch and let Hogan play much closer to Kodjia.  Until we give that a go we're not going to see how any of them can settle in.

I'd be tempted to try getting Jedi to sit and then play Hourihane, Lansbury and Grealish as a 3 in front (sort of like a diamond) with Kodjia and Hogan ahead of them.  All three are capable of making a yard and getting crosses in so they can drift in to out to find bits of space and create gaps for each other.  We'd need to train them as a unit though and that's where any attacking plans fall down because the training either isn't there or isn't effective.

What I can't accept is the idea that the players themselves aren't good enough.  Most of the squad we have now are players who've done it this level or better and yet many of them look lost, I just don't see how that isn't the fault of something other than their own abilities.

I agree that those are probably the strengths we should play to, but it does feel like a bit of a headache to fit those 5 in the same team, in their preferred positions - it's, what, either a 3-5-2 or a 4-4-2 diamond? In both of those you need fullbacks to provide width in attacking areas, and I'm not sure I'm ready to complicate things with the fullbacks we've currently got just yet.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on April 16, 2017, 01:00:28 PM


I've got 100% confidence that Hogan will come good and bang in 20 next season (as long as he's starting)
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: saunders_heroes on April 16, 2017, 01:02:28 PM


I've got 100% confidence that Hogan will come good and bang in 20 next season (as long as he's starting)

Me too.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: villasjf on April 21, 2017, 02:18:47 PM
I have just seen a picture of him on the express and star website, is it me or does he look fat. If so what do our fitness coaches do? Gabby Richards McCormick etc
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: supertom on April 21, 2017, 02:23:15 PM
I have just seen a picture of him on the express and star website, is it me or does he look fat. If so what do our fitness coaches do? Gabby Richards McCormick etc
I've just been to China and the Mrs's family fed me very well. I've probably put on 10 stone in 2 weeks and largely from eating barbecued meat in huge quantities.
Maybe it's Dr Tony showing some of that famous Chinese hospitality.

Mind you we've had fat bastards in the squad for a few years now. Quite what's gone on here is strange. The squad hasn't been fit for years.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: villabear on April 21, 2017, 03:45:08 PM
If he's fat I'm worried.


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Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Jon Crofts on April 21, 2017, 04:28:23 PM
If he's fat I'm worried.


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Put the chips down chubby.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: saunders_heroes on April 21, 2017, 05:23:02 PM
I have just seen a picture of him on the express and star website, is it me or does he look fat. If so what do our fitness coaches do? Gabby Richards McCormick etc

I think it's just you. He's a fit as a fiddle, and last time Gabby played he was built like a brick shit house without an ounce of fat on him.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: andyh on April 23, 2017, 02:56:32 PM
Watching his YouTube videos and his goals, he is obviously a 'fox in the box' type player.
 We are going to have to make sure we have a damn sight more action in the 18 yard area, than we are used to, to get the most from him.
The poor bloke must wonder what the fuck he has done.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: itbrvilla on April 23, 2017, 03:32:32 PM
Why did we buy him?  We won't play it to his feet so he's wasted. 
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on April 23, 2017, 08:16:20 PM
Does Paul Robinson punch Hogan after we score? Hard to tell on the replay.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: dave shelley on April 23, 2017, 08:19:29 PM
Does Paul Robinson punch Hogan after we score? Hard to tell on the replay.

I think Hogan was on his bike at that time trying to catch Gabby.  It was Chester, I think that the animal kicked out at as he began his chase to catch Gabby.  If he punched Hogan, I didn't see it.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: wittonwarrior on April 23, 2017, 08:21:07 PM
Why did we buy him?  We won't play it to his feet so he's wasted.

presumably because he was available - but you are spot on - if we can't play to his strengths.

The options open to us now would be to sell him which would  be just plain stupid

Sell Kodja and get someone in who Hogan can link up too

Buy a third striker and rotate  - with the number of games we play in the Championship would be an option.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: LukeJames on April 23, 2017, 08:36:41 PM
I was in the 3rd row of the Trinity and very close to the 'action', Hogan was getting more and more visibly frustrated at the punts up field in his general direction. He was never that kind of striker at Brentford, It's becoming clear that we didn't do extensive homework on him before we signed him and that our management will never play the kind of football needed to get the best out of him. It smacks once again of signing somebody based on there scoring record without thinking if he'd be a fit for the way that the club wants to play.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Chris87 on April 23, 2017, 08:45:59 PM
I was in the 3rd row of the Trinity and very close to the 'action', Hogan was getting more and more visibly frustrated at the punts up field in his general direction. He was never that kind of striker at Brentford, It's becoming clear that we didn't do extensive homework on him before we signed him and that our management will never play the kind of football needed to get the best out of him. It smacks once again of signing somebody based on there scoring record without thinking if he'd be a fit for the way that the club wants to play.

Yeah, I got that impression from the Upper Holte too. Gabby said something to him when he came on (probably instructions from the bench), and his body language suggested it wasn't well received!
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on April 23, 2017, 08:58:09 PM
Didn't play to his strengths which was frustrating as I'd backed him to score
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: CT on April 23, 2017, 09:09:05 PM
Does Paul Robinson punch Hogan after we score? Hard to tell on the replay.

He definitely punches James Chester. I wonder if the FA will get involved.....
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: villan from luton on April 24, 2017, 12:17:45 PM
Does Paul Robinson punch Hogan after we score? Hard to tell on the replay.

He definitely punches James Chester. I wonder if the FA will get involved.....

More likely that they will ban Chester for running into Robinsons hand and foot
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Mister E on April 24, 2017, 01:04:04 PM
Why did we buy him?  We won't play it to his feet so he's wasted.

presumably because he was available - but you are spot on - if we can't play to his strengths.

The options open to us now would be to sell him which would  be just plain stupid

Sell Kodja and get someone in who Hogan can link up too

Buy a third striker and rotate  - with the number of games we play in the Championship would be an option.
We need a good CF who can hold the ball up - this would benefit both Hogan and Kodjia.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on April 24, 2017, 01:10:30 PM
I don't think I've seen someone run around as much as he did yesterday. Never stopped.

Didn't actually do anything attacking-wise, but he never stopped chasing them down.

I suppose a defensive striker is Bruce's kinda guy!
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: MoetVillan on April 24, 2017, 01:15:27 PM
Does Paul Robinson punch Hogan after we score? Hard to tell on the replay.

He definitely punches James Chester. I wonder if the FA will get involved.....

More likely that they will ban Chester for running into Robinsons hand and foot

is the correct answer
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Matt Collins on April 24, 2017, 09:04:51 PM
My optimistic view is that Bruce wants to play decent football - he constantly talks about the need to pass the ball better. And that Wil play to hogan's strengths 

But in the meantime he's a pragmatist who will sacrifice style for solidity

Whether he can actually deliver a quality team is another question
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Richard E on April 24, 2017, 09:08:39 PM
Does Paul Robinson punch Hogan after we score? Hard to tell on the replay.

He definitely punches James Chester. I wonder if the FA will get involved.....

More likely that they will ban Chester for running into Robinsons hand and foot
Knowing the FA they'll probably give Kodjia a 6 month ban for it.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 24, 2017, 10:47:59 PM
We need a decent wide player in the summer.

Adomah is hit and miss and has gone off the boil massively lately so we practically have nothing on the flanks with Green injured and still inexperienced at this level.

Need to make a similar statement signing to Newcastle signing Matt Ritchie last summer.

Do that and I imagine Hogan will start getting on the end of some crosses like he did with his goal at Wigan.

Play the same way though and I fail to see how he's going to score consistently. With the negative football a forward like Kodjia with his tricks and unpredictability is really the only sort of forward who can do anything.

That's why I think Bruce needs a pre season before he can be properly judged. No pressure of points but friendlies and trainings to get a style of player that gets both strikers in the game.

If it's still happening start of next season, then I'd imagine the owner would be pretty unhappy his big investment isn't scoring.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: tomd2103 on April 25, 2017, 12:19:42 AM
Why did we buy him?  We won't play it to his feet so he's wasted.

I'm still wondering why we paid a considerable amount of obey for a striker who is totally not suited to the way we play.  I sit in the North Stand and watch him quite closely, and he makes some really good runs which are often totally wasted.  He needs to be in a side where the ball is kept on the floor and he has got players behind him who can thread passes through for him.  We don't play that way and would be far better off with a more physical striker up there, who will play as a target man and will hold the ball up.

Having a striker like that up there would help the likes of Lansbury and Hourihane as well. 
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: tomd2103 on April 25, 2017, 12:22:11 AM
We need a decent wide player in the summer.

Adomah is hit and miss and has gone off the boil massively lately so we practically have nothing on the flanks with Green injured and still inexperienced at this level.

Need to make a similar statement signing to Newcastle signing Matt Ritchie last summer.


Agree about a wide man and would prefer a naturally left sided one.  A player like that along with Adomah, Green, Grealish and maybe Bacuna would give us some options. 
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: KRS on April 25, 2017, 12:42:13 AM
My optimistic view is that Bruce wants to play decent football - he constantly talks about the need to pass the ball better. And that Wil play to hogan's strengths 

But in the meantime he's a pragmatist who will sacrifice style for solidity
This is the last grain of hope that we can all hold on to, and Bruce will have the summer to fine tune the squad to his liking and get things right down at BMH. He walked into a right shitfest with the initial aim of moving us away from the relegation zone and further up the table, so with that now achieved, hopefully he can utilise the players he has bought in the manner in which they should be played...if he can't get them performing and getting results within the first couple of months, then we will all know he's definitely not the right man for the job and will suffer his turgid football until Dr X calls time on his tenure.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: tomd2103 on April 25, 2017, 12:46:42 AM
My optimistic view is that Bruce wants to play decent football - he constantly talks about the need to pass the ball better. And that Wil play to hogan's strengths 

But in the meantime he's a pragmatist who will sacrifice style for solidity
This is the last grain of hope that we can all hold on to, and Bruce will have the summer to fine tune the squad to his liking and get things right down at BMH. He walked into a right shitfest with the initial aim of moving us away from the relegation zone and further up the table, so with that now achieved, hopefully he can utilise the players he has bought in the manner in which they should be played...if he can't get them performing and getting results within the first couple of months, then we will all know he's definitely not the right man for the job and will suffer his turgid football until Dr X calls time on his tenure.

With Baker and Jedinak in the spine of the side, we are never going to be a build from the back type of side.  We are going to be direct and yet we are missing the type of striker needed to play that style effectively. 
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: peter w on April 25, 2017, 10:45:27 AM
We need width yes, but also pace. Half of the problem with us going forward is that take Kodjia out and we're very much a flat track team. We can't counter or attack with any tempo. i also think the team is a bit unbalanced. Albert needs to be replaced when we go up but is okay as a sub for what we need next season.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: cheltenhamlion on April 25, 2017, 05:38:37 PM
Why did we buy him?  We won't play it to his feet so he's wasted.

I'm still wondering why we paid a considerable amount of obey for a striker who is totally not suited to the way we play.  I sit in the North Stand and watch him quite closely, and he makes some really good runs which are often totally wasted.  He needs to be in a side where the ball is kept on the floor and he has got players behind him who can thread passes through for him.  We don't play that way and would be far better off with a more physical striker up there, who will play as a target man and will hold the ball up.

Having a striker like that up there would help the likes of Lansbury and Hourihane as well. 

I wouldn't be surprised to see us take Murphy off Newcastle's hands. They bought him for this league and will be looking to upgrade now they are promoted.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Mister E on April 30, 2017, 08:46:32 AM
Hogan will play better with a target man in the side.
Hogan and his MF colleagues should be given video footage of the way that Vardy, David Villa, Kenny Dalglish and Brian Little used to play as smaller, nippier forwards.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Matt Collins on May 03, 2017, 08:41:48 PM
Brady is completely unlike any of those others!
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Ads on May 03, 2017, 08:42:45 PM
We need three things; pace, pace and pace.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: brian green on May 03, 2017, 08:57:37 PM
We had Pace but we let him go to Sheffield United where he became a legend.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: four fornicholl on May 03, 2017, 09:03:44 PM
We had Pace but we let him go to Sheffield United where he became a legend.
Ian?
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Dave on May 03, 2017, 09:13:14 PM
Why did we buy him?  We won't play it to his feet so he's wasted.

I'm still wondering why we paid a considerable amount of obey for a striker who is totally not suited to the way we play.  I sit in the North Stand and watch him quite closely, and he makes some really good runs which are often totally wasted.  He needs to be in a side where the ball is kept on the floor and he has got players behind him who can thread passes through for him.  We don't play that way and would be far better off with a more physical striker up there, who will play as a target man and will hold the ball up.

Having a striker like that up there would help the likes of Lansbury and Hourihane as well. 

I wouldn't be surprised to see us take Murphy off Newcastle's hands. They bought him for this league and will be looking to upgrade now they are promoted.

Yup, that would make a good deal of sense.

Based on our current M.O though, I expect us to throw £15m a pop at Chris Wood, Tammy Abraham and Glenn Murray.

It's what we do, after all.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: SteveN on May 03, 2017, 09:13:34 PM
We had Pace but we let him go to Sheffield United where he became a legend.
Ian?
Derek, always seemed to score against us for Sheffield Utd.
I can remember things from that far back, but not from yesterday.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: four fornicholl on May 04, 2017, 07:49:19 PM
We had Pace but we let him go to Sheffield United where he became a legend.
Ian?
Derek, always seemed to score against us for Sheffield Utd.
I can remember things from that far back, but not from yesterday.
Aahhh, I was meaning Ian Hamilton. :-[
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: villa kicks on July 28, 2017, 12:23:08 AM
I'm wondering if it's more one from Hogan or Jimmy Danger up front rather than both.
Hogan looks decent up by himself with player like Grealish or Lansbury behind .
Similar Jk with adomah supporting or grealish
Elmo providing ammunition for Hogan looks promising so I wondering how both hogie and kodjia fit.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Matt Collins on July 28, 2017, 07:10:10 AM
Yes they won't have had a chance to work on a partnership at all in pre season which is a potential problem

I reckon they may play together as split strikers running the channels sometimes

Kodjia may play wide sometimes

We may rotate between them as Newcastle did last year - it's a long season

But I don't really know
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: tomd2103 on July 28, 2017, 08:02:58 AM
Yes they won't have had a chance to work on a partnership at all in pre season which is a potential problem

I reckon they may play together as split strikers running the channels sometimes

Kodjia may play wide sometimes

We may rotate between them as Newcastle did last year - it's a long season

But I don't really know

I still think we might see a forward coming in before the window "slams shut" (Jim White, Sky Sports).  I can't see Kodjia featuring too much in the early part of the season, so the onus will be very much on Hogan.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 28, 2017, 08:31:56 AM
Yes they won't have had a chance to work on a partnership at all in pre season which is a potential problem

I reckon they may play together as split strikers running the channels sometimes

Kodjia may play wide sometimes

We may rotate between them as Newcastle did last year - it's a long season

But I don't really know

I still think we might a forward coming in before the window "slams shut" (Jim White, Sky Sports).  I can't see Kodjia featuring too much in the early part of the season, so the onus will be very much on Hogan.

You forgot the goal machine.  Gabriel.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: brian green on July 28, 2017, 08:41:35 AM
If the onus will be on Hogan the anus will be on Gabby.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: TheMalandro on July 28, 2017, 08:52:01 AM
If the onus will be on Hogan the anus will be on Gabby.

Our best sphincter forward, in my opinion.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 28, 2017, 09:04:28 AM
He's not a good outlet. 
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Matt Collins on July 28, 2017, 09:10:59 AM
Kodjia is back in training isn't he? I'm hoping he might make the bench at least pretty soon
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: richtheholtender on July 28, 2017, 09:29:41 AM
Yes they won't have had a chance to work on a partnership at all in pre season which is a potential problem

I reckon they may play together as split strikers running the channels sometimes

Kodjia may play wide sometimes

We may rotate between them as Newcastle did last year - it's a long season

But I don't really know

I still think we might a forward coming in before the window "slams shut" (Jim White, Sky Sports).  I can't see Kodjia featuring too much in the early part of the season, so the onus will be very much on Hogan.

You forgot the goal machine.  Gabriel.


The one you rated at £15 million plus a couple of years ago?
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Drummond on July 28, 2017, 12:49:33 PM
If the onus will be on Hogan the anus will be on Gabby.

Our best sphincter forward, in my opinion.

Wasn't he once linked with Arsenal?
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on July 28, 2017, 12:54:08 PM
He's not a good outlet. 

.....good movement though
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Mister E on July 28, 2017, 01:21:59 PM
If the onus will be on Hogan the anus will be on Gabby.
Will he play in the hole?



[Cue MMc, late of Wolves.]
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 28, 2017, 01:46:40 PM
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Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: paul_e on July 28, 2017, 01:51:04 PM
25minutes, that's a bit slow.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: LeeB on July 28, 2017, 09:20:01 PM
25minutes, that's a bit slow.

Whilst he's been a great servant, it looks like age is catching up with him and it may be time to move him on, bring in some fresh gif blood.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: adrenachrome on July 29, 2017, 12:05:03 AM
If the onus will be on Hogan the anus will be on Gabby.

Then The Vertigo will kick in and he will be off to Vegas to recuperate.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 05, 2017, 09:03:02 PM
This is beginning to look like a very poor signing.
Not quick, easily moved off the ball, not great in the air,poor touch and looks completely lost.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: QuintonVilla on August 05, 2017, 09:06:16 PM
I'm not saying he's great by any means but I do think he's wasted in our team. He's shown he can score goals in this league and I think he's too intelligent for the players around him. He was playing with a good, creative player like Jota and now he's playing with Gabby and Bacuna who haven't got a brain cell between them.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 05, 2017, 09:07:54 PM
Agreed.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: curiousorange on August 05, 2017, 09:08:14 PM
Hogan moved as well as a Subbuteo player all game.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: richtheholtender on August 05, 2017, 09:09:04 PM
I'm not saying he's great by any means but I do think he's wasted in our team. He's shown he can score goals in this league and I think he's too intelligent for the players around him. He was playing with a good, creative player like Jota and now he's playing with Gabby and Bacuna who haven't got a brain cell between them.


Like that Carlos Gill fella?
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Matt Collins on August 05, 2017, 09:10:08 PM
Almost scored a great goal and a lovely touch for gabby's chance

But I agree he struggles to latch into a lot of balls and I do wonder if it will ever seem the right fit

Luckily we have Kodjia
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 05, 2017, 09:10:19 PM
I'm not saying he's great by any means but I do think he's wasted in our team. He's shown he can score goals in this league and I think he's too intelligent for the players around him. He was playing with a good, creative player like Jota and now he's playing with Gabby and Bacuna who haven't got a brain cell between them.
Should he really look so out of his depth though?
I keep hearing what he did at Branford, maybe he is a one trick pony that can only function in a certain set up.
I do not think that we are going to build that set up around him though.
So you have to ask why the fuck did we spend all that money on him?
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: QuintonVilla on August 05, 2017, 09:13:39 PM
I'm not saying he's great by any means but I do think he's wasted in our team. He's shown he can score goals in this league and I think he's too intelligent for the players around him. He was playing with a good, creative player like Jota and now he's playing with Gabby and Bacuna who haven't got a brain cell between them.
Should he really look so out of his depth though?
I keep hearing what he did at Branford, maybe he is a one trick pony that can only function in a certain set up.
I do not think that we are going to build that set up around him though.
So you have to ask why the fuck did we spend all that money on him?
In answer to your last question, I have no idea. Bruce knows his style of play is that of a dinosaur and it won't change so I don't know why he thought Hogan would suit it. When we played Brentford away they ripped us apart and you could easily see how Hogan would fit into that side.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: wittonwarrior on August 05, 2017, 09:37:07 PM
No movement hogan - perhaps if he suddenly becomes Roy race over night then we are talking.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 05, 2017, 09:43:33 PM
I thought he did alright.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 05, 2017, 09:48:23 PM
I'm not saying he's great by any means but I do think he's wasted in our team. He's shown he can score goals in this league and I think he's too intelligent for the players around him. He was playing with a good, creative player like Jota and now he's playing with Gabby and Bacuna who haven't got a brain cell between them.

Brentford only got Jota back in January so someone else was setting it up for him.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Risso on August 05, 2017, 09:53:47 PM
By Christ he's slow.  I'm sure that Steve Bruce did his homework on him that extended to more than just one good half a season with Brentofrd, but he looks poor.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Matt Collins on August 05, 2017, 09:55:05 PM
Good first half and almost scored a great goal

Poor second
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 05, 2017, 10:00:07 PM
I thought he was good in the first half but unsurprisingly once we did nothing in the second half he disappeared.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: The Moose on August 05, 2017, 10:01:16 PM
We have no idea how to play any semblance of attacking football -  he was running his heart out, no help from the midfield.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Matt Collins on August 05, 2017, 10:15:24 PM
We have no idea how to play any semblance of attacking football -  he was running his heart out, no help from the midfield.

Apart from the 5 brilliant chances you mean?

Sorry but it's really doing my head in. It wasn't great today. It wasn't appalling. But everyone has to reach to extremes

How many chances do you think Wednesday, or Boro, or readings created today. I bet you hands down it wasn't as many as us
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Clampy on August 05, 2017, 10:52:11 PM
I like the look of him. He's not static, he doesn't wait for the ball to come to him, he chases through balls. He should have maybe put one one of his chances away today mind, but the goals will come.
 
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: West Derby Villan on August 05, 2017, 11:05:46 PM
I like the look of him. He's not static, he doesn't wait for the ball to come to him, he chases through balls. He should have maybe put one one of his chances away today mind, but the goals will come.

Totally agree with this. I thought that today, for the first time, we played to his strengths and his ability began to shine through. Confidence is a massive thing to forwards so I suspect he will improve with a goal or two under his belt.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: stubbsyandy on August 05, 2017, 11:11:49 PM
No movement hogan - perhaps if he suddenly becomes Roy race over night then we are talking.
No movement? Did you watch the game? He moved but the brains of other players did not keep up
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: eamonn on August 05, 2017, 11:24:17 PM
Much more like it from him today than what he showed last season. Get up and running with a goal or two against Colchester and see how he flies.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 05, 2017, 11:28:22 PM
I like the look of him. He's not static, he doesn't wait for the ball to come to him, he chases through balls. He should have maybe put one one of his chances away today mind, but the goals will come.
 

Yep really odd for people to say he demonstrated no movement. He was constantly on the shoulder and trying to find space. I can think of serveral clever runs he made, one of which nearly presented a chance for Gabby but for a great last ditch tackle.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: PeterWithe on August 05, 2017, 11:35:50 PM
I'm not a fan, his touch is abysmal.

He's not had too many chances made for him but I'm fearful we have bought a pup.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 05, 2017, 11:39:28 PM
You not see his touch when he beat a couple of players in the area and but for an excellent save from McGregor he would have scored an excellent goal.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: brontebilly on August 05, 2017, 11:40:53 PM
He won't complement Kodjia and isn't an option to play up top by himself. Bruce claimed he had scouted him since his Rochdale days but I severely doubt it.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: PeterWithe on August 05, 2017, 11:57:13 PM
You not see his touch when he beat a couple of players in the area and but for an excellent save from McGregor he would have scored an excellent goal.

Yes he did well there, his toUch under any kind of pressure is poor though.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Ads on August 06, 2017, 12:00:16 AM
He won't complement Kodjia and isn't an option to play up top by himself. Bruce claimed he had scouted him since his Rochdale days but I severely doubt it.

Oh that's that then.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 06, 2017, 12:01:19 AM
We have no idea how to play any semblance of attacking football -  he was running his heart out, no help from the midfield.

Apart from the 5 brilliant chances you mean?

Sorry but it's really doing my head in. It wasn't great today. It wasn't appalling. But everyone has to reach to extremes

How many chances do you think Wednesday, or Boro, or readings created today. I bet you hands down it wasn't as many as us

Then it's even more appalling that we only scored one. You appear to be at the other extreme.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: olaftab on August 06, 2017, 12:12:20 AM
Hogan was very good today. Gabby should have squared it to him when clean through and he superbly stepped over to let the ball to Gabby to score. I think he needs to be more greedy.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: tomd2103 on August 06, 2017, 01:13:51 AM
Hogan was very good today. Gabby should have squared it to him when clean through and he superbly stepped over to let the ball to Gabby to score. I think he needs to be more greedy.

Sorry Olaf, can't agree with that.  A couple of nice touches to nearly set himself up in the first half, but I thought he was increasingly ineffective as the game went on.  I accept it's not all his fault as we don't play to his strengths, but there is little point in playing him if we are going to continue to play the way we did today, 
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 06, 2017, 01:36:32 AM
Hogan was very good today. Gabby should have squared it to him when clean through and he superbly stepped over to let the ball to Gabby to score. I think he needs to be more greedy.

Sorry Olaf, can't agree with that.  A couple of nice touches to nearly set himself up in the first half, but I thought he was increasingly ineffective as the game went on.  I accept it's not all his fault as we don't play to his strengths, but there is little point in playing him if we are going to continue to play the way we did today, 


I half-agree with both of you about today. But in general there seems to be a collective shrug of the shoulder and 'Bruce can't have seen him at Brentford or he would't have bought him' vibe around this. We're talking about the most expensive player Bruce has ever bought. It's madness. Hogan's a good player, but to put him in a Bruce side is like dousing a Quail's egg in salad cream to make your Uncle Kevin's sandwiches to take to work on his pig farm in the winter. Bruce has wasted £15m of his employer's money (and potentially ruined a good player's career). It's practically gross misconduct.

We could've got Akinfenwe for a couple of pork pies and a handjob* and he'd have contributed way more under this manager.

*I know that for a fact.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: tomd2103 on August 06, 2017, 01:39:29 AM
Hogan was very good today. Gabby should have squared it to him when clean through and he superbly stepped over to let the ball to Gabby to score. I think he needs to be more greedy.

Sorry Olaf, can't agree with that.  A couple of nice touches to nearly set himself up in the first half, but I thought he was increasingly ineffective as the game went on.  I accept it's not all his fault as we don't play to his strengths, but there is little point in playing him if we are going to continue to play the way we did today, 


I half-agree with both of you about today. But in general there seems to be a collective shrug of the shoulder and 'Bruce can't have seen him at Brentford or he would't have bought him' vibe around this. We're talking about the most expensive player Bruce has ever bought. It's madness. Hogan's a good player, but to put him in a Bruce side is like dousing a Quail's egg in salad cream to make your Uncle Kevin's sandwiches to take to work on his pig farm in the winter. Bruce has wasted £15m of his employer's money (and potentially ruined a good player's career). It's practically gross misconduct.

We could've got Akinfenwe for a couple of pork pies and a handjob* and he'd have contributed way more under this manager.

*I know that for a fact.

I agree, I still can't quite work out why he spent so much money on him, as he wasn't the type of striker we needed last season and still isn't this one.  That seemed to be the general way of doing things last season though - sign players who have 'done a job' in the division without any real plan on how they will fit in to the side or way of playing. 
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: mr underhill on August 06, 2017, 07:28:02 AM
If he comes good I will be the first to hold my hands up and apologize but I've seen nothing in Hogan to suggest he'll be a success at Villa.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: brian green on August 06, 2017, 08:14:56 AM
I will do the same.  Seen nothing at all to inspire confidence in him.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: AV5nobs on August 06, 2017, 08:28:15 AM
Thought he looked ok tbh.

Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Meanwood Villa on August 06, 2017, 08:31:25 AM
Bruce bought him because he'd scored a fuckload of goals so he thought "he must be good".

I thought he was OK yesterday and if one of his half-chances goes in we win the game and everyone says he's turned a corner. Such is life.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Ads on August 06, 2017, 09:13:33 AM
When Lansbury was getting close first half, he looked effective and should have had a brace.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: eamonn on August 06, 2017, 10:39:50 AM
Hogan was very good today. Gabby should have squared it to him when clean through and he superbly stepped over to let the ball to Gabby to score. I think he needs to be more greedy.

Sorry Olaf, can't agree with that.  A couple of nice touches to nearly set himself up in the first half, but I thought he was increasingly ineffective as the game went on.  I accept it's not all his fault as we don't play to his strengths, but there is little point in playing him if we are going to continue to play the way we did today, 


I half-agree with both of you about today. But in general there seems to be a collective shrug of the shoulder and 'Bruce can't have seen him at Brentford or he would't have bought him' vibe around this. We're talking about the most expensive player Bruce has ever bought. It's madness. Hogan's a good player, but to put him in a Bruce side is like dousing a Quail's egg in salad cream to make your Uncle Kevin's sandwiches to take to work on his pig farm in the winter. Bruce has wasted £15m of his employer's money (and potentially ruined a good player's career). It's practically gross misconduct.

We could've got Akinfenwe for a couple of pork pies and a handjob* and he'd have contributed way more under this manager.

*I know that for a fact.

But a handjob is all the butchery brings cos fame isn't easy as him
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: eamonn on August 06, 2017, 10:41:58 AM
Hogan was very good today. Gabby should have squared it to him when clean through and he superbly stepped over to let the ball to Gabby to score. I think he needs to be more greedy.

Did he do that step-over deliberately? If so, that is bloody impressive anticipation. Hendrie used to do it to good effect on occasion back in the day (for Dion and JPA in particular).
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 06, 2017, 11:33:12 AM
I will do the same.  Seen nothing at all to inspire confidence in him.

You were saying he would score 25 goals last week.

It bemuses me people are saying he's going to score 20-25 as I've seen little to suggest that. At best hopefully he can get about 10-15 with some of them being winning goals so still contributing positively but not hitting the heights Kodjia will when he gets back.

SB bringing Hogan in is very similar to McCormack e.g. a manager lazily looking at the championship scoring charts, picking one of the leading scorers and thinking they could just do the same in this team without actually analyzing how he actually scored the goals and what positions he took up.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Des Little on August 06, 2017, 11:42:42 AM
Hogan will only ever be effective in a front two, and with someone to play off. Playing him on his own will only serve to knacker his confidence.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 06, 2017, 11:48:54 AM
Hogan will only ever be effective in a front two, and with someone to play off. Playing him on his own will only serve to knacker his confidence.

Kodjia isn't interested in playing in a front two so there's your problem when he's fit again.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: olaftab on August 06, 2017, 11:58:40 AM
Hogan was very good today. Gabby should have squared it to him when clean through and he superbly stepped over to let the ball to Gabby to score. I think he needs to be more greedy.

Did he do that step-over deliberately? If so, that is bloody impressive anticipation. Hendrie used to do it to good effect on occasion back in the day (for Dion and JPA in particular).
Yes watching from middle of upper North how I saw it and watch his reaction as soon as he did that.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: brian green on August 06, 2017, 12:14:26 PM
I said last week that if the balls were put to him low and hard and frequently he could score 25 goals a season.  Because I have never seen him given the ball low and hard and frequently in the box (other than the excellent goal he scored in Germany) I have never seen him in the flesh justify the money spent on him.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 06, 2017, 12:23:04 PM
Hogan was very good today. Gabby should have squared it to him when clean through and he superbly stepped over to let the ball to Gabby to score. I think he needs to be more greedy.

Sorry Olaf, can't agree with that.  A couple of nice touches to nearly set himself up in the first half, but I thought he was increasingly ineffective as the game went on.  I accept it's not all his fault as we don't play to his strengths, but there is little point in playing him if we are going to continue to play the way we did today, 


I half-agree with both of you about today. But in general there seems to be a collective shrug of the shoulder and 'Bruce can't have seen him at Brentford or he would't have bought him' vibe around this. We're talking about the most expensive player Bruce has ever bought. It's madness. Hogan's a good player, but to put him in a Bruce side is like dousing a Quail's egg in salad cream to make your Uncle Kevin's sandwiches to take to work on his pig farm in the winter. Bruce has wasted £15m of his employer's money (and potentially ruined a good player's career). It's practically gross misconduct.

We could've got Akinfenwe for a couple of pork pies and a handjob* and he'd have contributed way more under this manager.

*I know that for a fact.

But a handjob is all the butchery brings cos fame isn't easy as him

I can't tell you how much I enjoyed that reference. Come rescue, rescue me.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: paul_e on August 06, 2017, 12:37:36 PM
I said last week that if the balls were put to him low and hard and frequently he could score 25 goals a season.  Because I have never seen him given the ball low and hard and frequently in the box (other than the excellent goal he scored in Germany) I have never seen him in the flesh justify the money spent on him.

As I've said before I'm not convinced that Bruce picked Hogan or Hourihane, I just don't see how either of them fit into how he plays.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: saunders_heroes on August 06, 2017, 12:52:29 PM
I said last week that if the balls were put to him low and hard and frequently he could score 25 goals a season.  Because I have never seen him given the ball low and hard and frequently in the box (other than the excellent goal he scored in Germany) I have never seen him in the flesh justify the money spent on him.

As I've said before I'm not convinced that Bruce picked Hogan or Hourihane, I just don't see how either of them fit into how he plays.

Are you suggesting someone else signed them, like Xia perhaps?
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: berneboy on August 06, 2017, 01:03:51 PM
Paul McGrath valued his performance yesterday tweeting:
Brilliant Scott Hogan ran yourself into the ground great example #Respect.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 06, 2017, 01:15:42 PM
He did. He will, however, not succeed until we do something about the fact that every one (literally all) of our attacking midfield/wide attackers/secondary strikers are crap. Grealish, Bacuna and Lansbury because they don't apply themselves and are half arsed and Green, Adomah, Hourahane and Bjarnnason because they don't have the quality. What Onomah and Elhomody do remains to be seen...
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: passitsideways on August 06, 2017, 01:19:50 PM
He did. He will, however, not succeed until we do something about the fact that every one (literally all) of our attacking midfield/wide attackers/secondary strikers are crap. Grealish, Bacuna and Lansbury because they don't apply themselves and are half arsed and Green, Adomah, Hourahane and Bjarnnason because they don't have the quality. What Onomah and Elhomody do remains to be seen...

What's this piss about not having the quality? One thing to say they haven't played well at Villa so far, but Adomah was good enough to be first-choice at a team that actually got promoted from this league, and Hourihane was the best midfielder in this league until he signed for us, you don't set up 10 goals in half a season if you don't have the requisite quality. And Green's played half a dozen games in the first team and he's 19 years old.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: paul_e on August 06, 2017, 01:45:10 PM
I said last week that if the balls were put to him low and hard and frequently he could score 25 goals a season.  Because I have never seen him given the ball low and hard and frequently in the box (other than the excellent goal he scored in Germany) I have never seen him in the flesh justify the money spent on him.

As I've said before I'm not convinced that Bruce picked Hogan or Hourihane, I just don't see how either of them fit into how he plays.

Are you suggesting someone else signed them, like Xia perhaps?

Round at a guess.  I might be wrong but I honestly don't think Bruce has watched them both play and thought they're exactly the players I need to get promotion because he seemingly has no idea how to play them.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Clampy on August 06, 2017, 02:35:32 PM
Bruce said when he signed him that he'd watched him at Rochdale and Brentford.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: paul_e on August 06, 2017, 02:47:52 PM
Bruce said when he signed him that he'd watched him at Rochdale and Brentford.

Which i don't believe because if that's true then he wouldn't have signed him to play the role he is.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Ads on August 06, 2017, 03:00:45 PM
Bruce is a liar then.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 06, 2017, 03:10:23 PM
He did. He will, however, not succeed until we do something about the fact that every one (literally all) of our attacking midfield/wide attackers/secondary strikers are crap. Grealish, Bacuna and Lansbury because they don't apply themselves and are half arsed and Green, Adomah, Hourahane and Bjarnnason because they don't have the quality. What Onomah and Elhomody do remains to be seen...

What's this piss about not having the quality? One thing to say they haven't played well at Villa so far, but Adomah was good enough to be first-choice at a team that actually got promoted from this league, and Hourihane was the best midfielder in this league until he signed for us, you don't set up 10 goals in half a season if you don't have the requisite quality. And Green's played half a dozen games in the first team and he's 19 years old.

What a fucking half cocked, bag of shite argument that is. I couldn't give a shite what they did before they came here, they've not done it for us, that's all I'm bothered about. So, what you're saying is, every signing we've made (or anyone else in the history of football for that matter) throughout our history who had let's say 50 good games for someone else, but then not done it for their new club must really be a quality player and should be considered so for the rest of their career? So you would consider that because Tony Cascarino scored countless goals for Millwall it was unfair to describe him as a cart horse after he joined us? What about Mark Kinsella, starred in a World Cup for Ireland and looked like a park player after he came here? Bosko Balaban was a bright young prospect, must have had something before we signed him. I could go on and on...
 
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 06, 2017, 03:14:03 PM
Bruce is a liar then.
Or he chucks players together and hope it works out as in " me I don't do tactics".
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: paul_e on August 06, 2017, 03:16:15 PM
Bruce is a liar then.

Pretty much everyone accepts that when Sherwood said similar things about players only to change his mind that he was lying so why can't Bruce be.

To flip it round though do you think Hogan fits in with how we're playing and do you think he's ever been played in this setup before?
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: LeeB on August 06, 2017, 03:18:56 PM
Bruce said when he signed him that he'd watched him at Rochdale and Brentford.

Which i don't believe because if that's true then he wouldn't have signed him to play the role he is.

Bruce specifically said he'd watched him at Rochdale, came close to signing him, regretted not doing so and didn't want to make that mistake again.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: passitsideways on August 06, 2017, 03:34:24 PM
He did. He will, however, not succeed until we do something about the fact that every one (literally all) of our attacking midfield/wide attackers/secondary strikers are crap. Grealish, Bacuna and Lansbury because they don't apply themselves and are half arsed and Green, Adomah, Hourahane and Bjarnnason because they don't have the quality. What Onomah and Elhomody do remains to be seen...

What's this piss about not having the quality? One thing to say they haven't played well at Villa so far, but Adomah was good enough to be first-choice at a team that actually got promoted from this league, and Hourihane was the best midfielder in this league until he signed for us, you don't set up 10 goals in half a season if you don't have the requisite quality. And Green's played half a dozen games in the first team and he's 19 years old.

What a fucking half cocked, bag of shite argument that is. I couldn't give a shite what they did before they came here, they've not done it for us, that's all I'm bothered about. So, what you're saying is, every signing we've made (or anyone else in the history of football for that matter) throughout our history who had let's say 50 good games for someone else, but then not done it for their new club must really be a quality player and should be considered so for the rest of their career? So you would consider that because Tony Cascarino scored countless goals for Millwall it was unfair to describe him as a cart horse after he joined us? What about Mark Kinsella, starred in a World Cup for Ireland and looked like a park player after he came here? Bosko Balaban was a bright young prospect, must have had something before we signed him. I could go on and on...

Think you should take a look in the mirror at your own argument, mate.

I'm saying it's silly to suggest so conclusively that a player lacks the requisite quality and will continue to lack that quality just because they've played a stretch of ordinary games, and generally not been helped by the circumstances. Been a bit longer than that with Adomah, but he still literally set up more goals than anyone else in the league last season except for Hourihane, the other fella that's been mentioned. Assists aren't everything but, again, you'd think someone short of the requisite quality wouldn't even sniff those kinds of numbers.

Those examples you've picked, you're working with the benefit of hindsight.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: LeeB on August 06, 2017, 03:46:59 PM
I like him. I think he'll end up our top scorer.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Matt C on August 06, 2017, 03:49:53 PM
I thought he was alright yesterday, worked very hard and didn't quite get the break. Couple of goals and I think he'll do well this season.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Ads on August 06, 2017, 03:59:03 PM
Bruce is a liar then.

Pretty much everyone accepts that when Sherwood said similar things about players only to change his mind that he was lying so why can't Bruce be.

To flip it round though do you think Hogan fits in with how we're playing and do you think he's ever been played in this setup before?

We created chances for him first half. The system worked very well.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: paul_e on August 06, 2017, 04:17:10 PM
Bruce is a liar then.

Pretty much everyone accepts that when Sherwood said similar things about players only to change his mind that he was lying so why can't Bruce be.

To flip it round though do you think Hogan fits in with how we're playing and do you think he's ever been played in this setup before?

We created chances for him first half. The system worked very well.

we created 1 chance for him and he created 1 from nothing for himself which is one of the best games he's had for us, what about the other 13 games he's played for us where he's had about 5 decent chances?
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Ads on August 06, 2017, 04:21:57 PM
How we come into this season and what we do is what holds relevance. We had a system and a means of attacking which looked effective.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: paul_e on August 06, 2017, 04:39:05 PM
How we come into this season and what we do is what holds relevance. We had a system and a means of attacking which looked effective.

For about 35-40 minutes.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 06, 2017, 05:00:24 PM
How we come into this season and what we do is what holds relevance. We had a system and a means of attacking which looked effective.

For about 35-40 minutes.
And then the opposition decided to play.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Ads on August 06, 2017, 05:07:23 PM
Then we wrestled back control and should have won it. We cannot afford to make a habit of dropping points.

We need to beat Cardiff. The biggest issue last season was the away form. 4 points are necessary from the next two.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: paul_e on August 06, 2017, 05:18:15 PM
Then we wrestled back control and should have won it. We cannot afford to make a habit of dropping points.

We need to beat Cardiff. The biggest issue last season was the away form. 4 points are necessary from the next two.

The 'should have won it' bit is where we disagree.  Green missed a very good chance, I don't deny that, but that doesn't mean we should've won, it means we had a chance to retake the lead and we missed it.  Just as they had a very good chance to equalise before half time and they missed it.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 06, 2017, 05:50:43 PM
Cardiff will be very tough, looks like another draw to me as Warnock will make it another war of attrition although we should have the 11 to cope with that this time.

More fancy us to beat Reading as we usually do well at the Madjeski and Norwich have a terrible record at Villa Park so that's another very winnable game.

I wanted 11 points from our first 5 games to spend a statement so we're struggling to do that if we don't win on Saturday. Not good dropping points in winnable home games.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Villafirst on August 16, 2017, 04:35:28 PM
Injured again! Is he another expensive injury prone dud? Seems to have a weak ankle.....not encouraging.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: AV5nobs on August 16, 2017, 04:45:51 PM
Works hard, has talent and seems to have the right attitude.

Maybe we don't play to his preferred style of play but fuck me the lads made of glass.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: manic-road on August 16, 2017, 04:55:52 PM
I like him. I think he'll end up our top scorer.

With 3 goals
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 16, 2017, 04:56:48 PM
Awful signing.
Complete waste of money.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: cdbullyweefan on August 16, 2017, 05:00:29 PM
I was worried that we wouldn't be able to replace Kozak.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: in exile on August 16, 2017, 09:03:58 PM
Do we know what the extent of the injury is yet?
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 16, 2017, 10:36:51 PM
He certainly has the air of a luckless forward. Hitting the keeper constantly when one-on-one, stretching to and nearly getting his toe on crosses and always getting injured when he starts to get a run of starts.

Don't really think it's going to happen for him here but still time to prove me wrong.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on August 16, 2017, 10:49:53 PM
I like him. I think he can do very well after Bruce is gone and he is played correctly. Agree about his injuries though, I do hope this is a short term one.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: tomd2103 on August 16, 2017, 10:50:36 PM
He certainly has the air of a luckless forward. Hitting the keeper constantly when one-on-one, stretching to and nearly getting his toe on crosses and always getting injured when he starts to get a run of starts.

Don't really think it's going to happen for him here but still time to prove me wrong.

Someone compared him last season to Gary Penrice and it's a comparison that has really stuck with me.  He works hard but has absolutely no impact on the game at all. 
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: The Edge on August 16, 2017, 10:59:41 PM
Hogan looked pretty good at Brentford comes to B6 and seems to have forgotten everything he knows. Meanwhile I'm watching Scott Sinclair playing for Celtic and slotting away goals in the Champions league. He's doing the same as Hogan in reverse. Wtf happens to players when they come to the Villa?
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Jockey Randall on August 16, 2017, 11:07:03 PM
I think Hogan depends more on the team around him than most strikers. I imagine he'll be really effective in a team that actually passes the ball. It seems Bruce just looked at goals scored and signed him on that rather than thinking he may need the right service around him. Kodjia only gets away with it under Bruce because he's such a good individual talent.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: tomd2103 on August 16, 2017, 11:56:01 PM
I think Hogan depends more on the team around him than most strikers. I imagine he'll be really effective in a team that actually passes the ball. It seems Bruce just looked at goals scored and signed him on that rather than thinking he may need the right service around him. Kodjia only gets away with it under Bruce because he's such a good individual talent.

See also Di Matteo and McCormack.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: FatSam on August 16, 2017, 11:58:30 PM
I'm still hoping he will come good, but we massively overpaid for him. The fact that we out bid West Ham for him, combined with his patchy fitness record made me nervous about it at the time. When you see that Mouniť cost Huddersfield less having scored a similar number of goals to Mbappe and Balotelli in Ligue 1, emphasises it further.

Barry Glendenning said last season that it was unsurprising that Sunderland had such a high wage bill, and had overpaid for so many of their squad, because they had for a number of years been buying from a position of weakness. They often signed players in the January window to help a relegation fight. I think we are in the same situation - and it's a difficult tail spin to get out of.

Scott Hogan for £12m in January doesn't form part of a sustainable long term recruitment process.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Smirker on August 17, 2017, 02:15:31 AM
Hogan looked pretty good at Brentford comes to B6 and seems to have forgotten everything he knows. Meanwhile I'm watching Scott Sinclair playing for Celtic and slotting away goals in the Champions league. He's doing the same as Hogan in reverse. Wtf happens to players when they come to the Villa?

I think there might be a psychological thing around the club now because failure is so ingrained, it doesn't matter who the manager/players/board are, they've been replaced several times, we've been so bad for so long that minor setbacks become big ones because you sense the self doubt and negativity straight away. I knew we needed to get off to a good start immediately but as soon as we conceded the equaliser in the first game and dropped points you could feel the pessimism again, 'only' being 2 points off, then four and now eight, one draw becomes two defeats. We regularly go on long runs of defeats, we cannot bounce back and snap out of it quickly enough.

Hopefully other posters know what I mean.

I wouldn't mind seeing Dr. Steve Peters working with the club to be honest.

Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 17, 2017, 02:38:09 AM
Hogan looked pretty good at Brentford comes to B6 and seems to have forgotten everything he knows. Meanwhile I'm watching Scott Sinclair playing for Celtic and slotting away goals in the Champions league. He's doing the same as Hogan in reverse. Wtf happens to players when they come to the Villa?

I think there might be a psychological thing around the club now because failure is so ingrained, it doesn't matter who the manager/players/board are, they've been replaced several times, we've been so bad for so long that minor setbacks become big ones because you sense the self doubt and negativity straight away. I knew we needed to get off to a good start immediately but as soon as we conceded the equaliser in the first game and dropped points you could feel the pessimism again, 'only' being 2 points off, then four and now eight, one draw becomes two defeats. We regularly go on long runs of defeats, we cannot bounce back and snap out of it quickly enough.

Hopefully other posters know what I mean.

I wouldn't mind seeing Dr. Steve Peters working with the club to be honest.



It's a shame Dr. Harold Shipman can't work his magic on a few of them.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: TheTimVilla on August 17, 2017, 05:40:20 AM
I just don't think he fancies it. His tracking was half arsed at best the other night.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Clampy on August 17, 2017, 06:47:43 AM
I just don't think he fancies it. His tracking was half arsed at best the other night.

That might be because he was probably trying to run off the tackle which eventually forced him to go off.

I like him, he never stops running and with the right service, he'd be very useful.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: brian green on August 17, 2017, 07:09:44 AM
I agree with Smirker that it has become a psychological issue.  Many of us posted through the summer that the first half dozen games of this season were among the most important and pivotal games in the history of the club.  It was of paramount importance that the focus of the manager and the coaches was on physical, tactical and mental readiness.  Instead we had the rolling circus of the completely pointless Terry signing with an undercard of knee jerk equally unnecessary transfers like buying in a worn out defensive midfielder with attitude we did not need and selling a loyal, perfectly adequate championship back up central defender we did need.  We took our eye off the ball.

The only proven way to overcome the problems posed by the players who are spooked by lack of confidence or lack of luck or the magnitude of expectations at a club of our size is to play young, fresh players whose youth and appetite for the game make them oblivious to everything but the game and the ball at their feet.  But Bruce does not do youth.  He wants gnarled old sweats to slug out one nils.

I very much suspect, know even, that there is at Villa what in the police is called a canteen culture.  Since Colchester, Cardiff and Reading the canteen culture has been at its most dominant.  The old sweats, Bruce, Wyness, Round, Calderwood and Clemence have been in a huddle, ostensibly seeking on pitch improvement but in reality presenting some sort of fire wall between themselves, the owner and the fans.  In short, their jobs are the issue, not us being bottom of the second division.

If Bruce is allowed to stumble on thanks to a win or a draw against Norwich this season is lost.  Like a forest fire our crisis will burn on until there is nothing left to burn and we can start all over again from scratch just like Leicester, Southampton, Bournemouth, Swansea and the other progressive, ambitious clubs have done.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: TheTimVilla on August 17, 2017, 07:25:46 AM
I just don't think he fancies it. His tracking was half arsed at best the other night.

That might be because he was probably trying to run off the tackle which eventually forced him to go off.

I like him, he never stops running and with the right service, he'd be very useful.

I was referring more to his running before his injury. I found it so bemusing that I started to only track his running! It was Ray Wilkins running. Just sideways, expending lots of effort for very little reward. In fact no reward at all.

In Germany, he scored a couple of belters, so I know there is a good player in there somewhere. Touching on Brian's point, above, maybe he can't handle the pressure? The foul on Tuesday looked just as innocuous as the one he got against Brighton, yet he went off both times. In fact he walked off both times, with an injured ankle...
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: old man villa fan on August 17, 2017, 07:59:17 AM
I agree with Smirker that it has become a psychological issue.  Many of us posted through the summer that the first half dozen games of this season were among the most important and pivotal games in the history of the club.  It was of paramount importance that the focus of the manager and the coaches was on physical, tactical and mental readiness.  Instead we had the rolling circus of the completely pointless Terry signing with an undercard of knee jerk equally unnecessary transfers like buying in a worn out defensive midfielder with attitude we did not need and selling a loyal, perfectly adequate championship back up central defender we did need.  We took our eye off the ball.

The only proven way to overcome the problems posed by the players who are spooked by lack of confidence or lack of luck or the magnitude of expectations at a club of our size is to play young, fresh players whose youth and appetite for the game make them oblivious to everything but the game and the ball at their feet.  But Bruce does not do youth.  He wants gnarled old sweats to slug out one nils.

I very much suspect, know even, that there is at Villa what in the police is called a canteen culture.  Since Colchester, Cardiff and Reading the canteen culture has been at its most dominant.  The old sweats, Bruce, Wyness, Round, Calderwood and Clemence have been in a huddle, ostensibly seeking on pitch improvement but in reality presenting some sort of fire wall between themselves, the owner and the fans.  In short, their jobs are the issue, not us being bottom of the second division.

If Bruce is allowed to stumble on thanks to a win or a draw against Norwich this season is lost.  Like a forest fire our crisis will burn on until there is nothing left to burn and we can start all over again from scratch just like Leicester, Southampton, Bournemouth, Swansea and the other progressive, ambitious clubs have done.

I agree with you Brian.  For too long we have played every game where a win was needed and we have been frightened to lose.  Cup tie football every week means that you play safe and you do not change things very much.  What this has meant is that we have circled the plughole getting weaker and weaker as a team as the good players have been replaced by lesser players who have then been replaced by poorer players.

This has to stop but the only way it will stop is if the fans accept not having immediate success.  Last season was the perfect time to do it with a new owner.  The slate could have been wiped clean.  It may not have given us promotion last year but we would have been in a far better position this season.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Clampy on August 17, 2017, 08:11:26 AM
I just don't think he fancies it. His tracking was half arsed at best the other night.

That might be because he was probably trying to run off the tackle which eventually forced him to go off.

I like him, he never stops running and with the right service, he'd be very useful.

I was referring more to his running before his injury. I found it so bemusing that I started to only track his running! It was Ray Wilkins running. Just sideways, expending lots of effort for very little reward. In fact no reward at all.

So it's gone from half arsed to expending lots of effort for little reward. If there's one thing I can't accuse Hogan of being is half arsed.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: TheTimVilla on August 17, 2017, 08:42:39 AM
I just don't think he fancies it. His tracking was half arsed at best the other night.

That might be because he was probably trying to run off the tackle which eventually forced him to go off.

I like him, he never stops running and with the right service, he'd be very useful.

I was referring more to his running before his injury. I found it so bemusing that I started to only track his running! It was Ray Wilkins running. Just sideways, expending lots of effort for very little reward. In fact no reward at all.

So it's gone from half arsed to expending lots of effort for little reward. If there's one thing I can't accuse Hogan of being is half arsed.

I define half arsed as inadequate, doing a poor job.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: brian green on August 17, 2017, 08:44:25 AM
Agree OMVF.  Once Eric Black allowed the remnants of the relegation side to dangle in the wind all plans for an immediate return to the Premiership were lost and replaced by baseless expectation.  We were so bad when we were relegated and the club in the Lerner bale out vacuum was such a mess, and in many respects continues to be a mess, it was clearly going to be a long haul.  I have always thought 3 to 5 years of rebuilding and have seen nothing to make me change that view.  The throwing of money at problems wantonly has to stop.  The effectiveness of money is only as good as the judgement of those spending it.  Our judgement has been very poor.  No, it has been downright irresponsible.

As I posted yesterday, and as you underscore OMVF our circling of the plughole has become unstoppable as Villa become regarded as a trough of money for increasingly second rate players to get their noses in.  On Saturday I would pick Davis ahead of Agbonlahor.  He is a better, younger, faster, stronger player than Gabby and can only grow into money for us.  I bet Davis gets  less than a twentieth of Gabby's wages.  But who will Bruce pick?  Gabby.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: boozey182 on August 17, 2017, 09:47:51 AM
Agree OMVF.  Once Eric Black allowed the remnants of the relegation side to dangle in the wind all plans for an immediate return to the Premiership were lost and replaced by baseless expectation.  We were so bad when we were relegated and the club in the Lerner bale out vacuum was such a mess, and in many respects continues to be a mess, it was clearly going to be a long haul.  I have always thought 3 to 5 years of rebuilding and have seen nothing to make me change that view.  The throwing of money at problems wantonly has to stop.  The effectiveness of money is only as good as the judgement of those spending it.  Our judgement has been very poor.  No, it has been downright irresponsible.

As I posted yesterday, and as you underscore OMVF our circling of the plughole has become unstoppable as Villa become regarded as a trough of money for increasingly second rate players to get their noses in.  On Saturday I would pick Davis ahead of Agbonlahor.  He is a better, younger, faster, stronger player than Gabby and can only grow into money for us.  I bet Davis gets  less than a twentieth of Gabby's wages.  But who will Bruce pick?  Gabby.

You're right on the money Brian. The only promising aspect of the side that came out in pre-season was the promising young players that bossed the games in Germany. O'Hare and Bree both did enough against Colchester to have earned a start, but both were dropped, so we had to watch Lansbury and Hutton trudge their way through another defeat.

The lack of imagination shown by the manager, coaches and Wyness is pathetic. I would say it is unbelievable, but unfortunately it's anything but. Tediously predictable. Translate that into Latin and put it on the badge.

On a more positive note, however, if we can use some of the younger players in conjunction with the cloggers, I'm sure we could still make a decent side out of what we have. Add a centre back with pace next to Chester, some creativity in midfield and we're pretty much there once Kodjia comes back.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: KRS on August 17, 2017, 10:02:24 AM
The lack of imagination shown by the manager, coaches and Wyness is pathetic. I would say it is unbelievable, but unfortunately it's anything but. Tediously predictable. Translate that into Latin and put it on the badge.
moleste praevidere
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Ads on August 17, 2017, 10:45:09 AM
Criticsing Hogan at this stage seems akin to having a go at Fernando Alonso for not winning because McLaren have forgot to put any fuel in his car.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: olaftab on August 17, 2017, 10:50:33 AM
Isn't it his job to look at the fuel gauge?
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: AVH87 on August 17, 2017, 10:53:16 AM
Hogan probably feels like he's competing against McLarens and Bentleys in a Fiat Cinquecento at the moment.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: paul_e on August 17, 2017, 11:47:48 AM
Agree OMVF.  Once Eric Black allowed the remnants of the relegation side to dangle in the wind all plans for an immediate return to the Premiership were lost and replaced by baseless expectation.  We were so bad when we were relegated and the club in the Lerner bale out vacuum was such a mess, and in many respects continues to be a mess, it was clearly going to be a long haul.  I have always thought 3 to 5 years of rebuilding and have seen nothing to make me change that view.  The throwing of money at problems wantonly has to stop.  The effectiveness of money is only as good as the judgement of those spending it.  Our judgement has been very poor.  No, it has been downright irresponsible.

As I posted yesterday, and as you underscore OMVF our circling of the plughole has become unstoppable as Villa become regarded as a trough of money for increasingly second rate players to get their noses in.  On Saturday I would pick Davis ahead of Agbonlahor.  He is a better, younger, faster, stronger player than Gabby and can only grow into money for us.  I bet Davis gets  less than a twentieth of Gabby's wages.  But who will Bruce pick?  Gabby.

You're right on the money Brian. The only promising aspect of the side that came out in pre-season was the promising young players that bossed the games in Germany. O'Hare and Bree both did enough against Colchester to have earned a start, but both were dropped, so we had to watch Lansbury and Hutton trudge their way through another defeat.

The lack of imagination shown by the manager, coaches and Wyness is pathetic. I would say it is unbelievable, but unfortunately it's anything but. Tediously predictable. Translate that into Latin and put it on the badge.

On a more positive note, however, if we can use some of the younger players in conjunction with the cloggers, I'm sure we could still make a decent side out of what we have. Add a centre back with pace next to Chester, some creativity in midfield and we're pretty much there once Kodjia comes back.

I said in pre-season that the better performances seemed to coincide with an increased number of kids starting the games because they were bringing movement and energy that was missing otherwise.  The games we've seen this season just back that up.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: mr underhill on August 17, 2017, 03:03:10 PM
Hogan is  never going to thrive at Villa and if he does I will eat my season ticket. So there.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Brend'Watkins on August 17, 2017, 03:29:51 PM
He might if Bruce is given the hoof and is replaced by Dean Smith.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 17, 2017, 11:37:51 PM
Criticsing Hogan at this stage seems akin to having a go at Fernando Alonso for not winning because McLaren have forgot to put any fuel in his car.

He has had chances though this season and hasn't converted them.

I know he's feeding on scraps but considering he cost 12m is it too much to ask for him to convert his one on ones with the keeper?
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: waynejames on August 17, 2017, 11:48:15 PM
When he plays on the last man he waits and waits for an intelligent player to put a through ball in to run onto.
He suffers because we have players who have the speed of thought equivalent of Kirk off Coronation Street.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Matt Collins on August 18, 2017, 07:43:45 AM
Criticsing Hogan at this stage seems akin to having a go at Fernando Alonso for not winning because McLaren have forgot to put any fuel in his car.

He has had chances though this season and hasn't converted them.

I know he's feeding on scraps but considering he cost 12m is it too much to ask for him to convert his one on ones with the keeper?

Nope. Presumably 6 months of feeding off scraps and almost no goals does dent the confidence a lot

He's only had 6 good months at this level tho so we don't really know his true quality. Aside from style and stature, I do also have concerns that he struggles with the pressure of playing for a much bigger club than he's used to.

Look at the way he swept in those goals in Germany. He looks a million miles from that player again now
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: mr underhill on August 18, 2017, 09:02:23 AM
no pressure then though - the wick's up to max already and he looks like a headless chicken
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Chris Jameson on August 18, 2017, 10:47:26 AM
Wasn't he all set to sign for West Ham and they dropped their interest fairly sharpish?
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Hookeysmith on August 18, 2017, 12:40:09 PM
Is there any injury update on him or Elmo etc
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: in exile on August 18, 2017, 12:52:27 PM
Is there any injury update on him or Elmo etc

From what I can remember, Hogan may feature, Jedinak and Elmo are both ready.
Elmo had 33 stitches in his mouth wound
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Hookeysmith on August 18, 2017, 12:55:57 PM
Is there any injury update on him or Elmo etc

From what I can remember, Hogan may feature, Jedinak and Elmo are both ready.
Elmo had 33 stitches in his mouth wound

Ali broke Nortons jaw mid fight and he still fought on - pussy get back in the team
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: in exile on August 18, 2017, 12:57:31 PM
Is there any injury update on him or Elmo etc

From what I can remember, Hogan may feature, Jedinak and Elmo are both ready.
Elmo had 33 stitches in his mouth wound

Ali broke Nortons jaw mid fight and he still fought on - pussy get back in the team

You can be harsh
 ;D
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 18, 2017, 01:06:31 PM
Is there any injury update on him or Elmo etc

Elmo had 31 stitches but is ready to play, Hogan isn't as bad as first thought and could even be in contention tomorrow.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Chris Jameson on August 18, 2017, 01:31:07 PM
Hogan isn't as bad as first thought and could even be in contention tomorrow.

He can't possibly be any worse. Boom, tish.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 18, 2017, 01:56:21 PM
I would put Lenny the Lion in for Hogan.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 18, 2017, 02:38:31 PM
I think there's definitely a good player in Hogan, he just needs someone to play intelligent through balls to him.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: jwarry on August 18, 2017, 03:51:53 PM
intelligent through balls

Que
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Chris Smith on August 18, 2017, 04:13:00 PM
I think there's definitely a good player in Hogan, he just needs someone to play intelligent through balls to him.

I agree in part but surely a striker at this level should have more than one attribute. If it's all down to receiving a particular type of pass then the opposition would know exactly how to stop him.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: paul_e on August 18, 2017, 05:05:41 PM
I think there's definitely a good player in Hogan, he just needs someone to play intelligent through balls to him.

I agree in part but surely a striker at this level should have more than one attribute. If it's all down to receiving a particular type of pass then the opposition would know exactly how to stop him.

Not really. His strength is that he's sharp when he has people near him.  It's not that he needs specific passes, it's that he needs people within 10 yards of him so his runs find gaps and create others.  He's the exact opposite of Gabby in that he's very quick over a few metres but has no great pace over longer distances and we're playing passes which are forcing him to run 20-30m.

I get what you're saying but if he had the sharpness but was also quick over distance he'd be playing in the top half of the PL.  If he was quick over a few yards and a beast he'd be basically Benteke and comfortably good enough to play higher level.  The championship is full of players who are one-trick ponies.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 23, 2017, 01:33:01 PM
A fit Scott Hogan provided with the right type of service will score lots of goals. Punt it 60yds in the air to him like we were doing made no sense. As much as his second goal last night was superb I loved his first. Good cross and poachers finish to get on the end of it.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Clampy on August 23, 2017, 01:35:18 PM
I think we've got ourselves a very good player. It does seem to me more of a confidence thing with him rather than quality but I like him a lot.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Richard E on August 23, 2017, 01:58:59 PM
I think we've got ourselves a very good player. It does seem to me more of a confidence thing with him rather than quality but I like him a lot.

I agree. He looked really good in his first game for us away at Forest. If we can play a way that gets the most out of him he will do the job for us.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on August 23, 2017, 02:00:12 PM
A fit Scott Hogan provided with the right type of service will score lots of goals. Punt it 60yds in the air to him like we were doing made no sense. As much as his second goal last night was superb I loved his first. Good cross and poachers finish to get on the end of it.

THIS. All day long
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: darren woolley on August 23, 2017, 03:07:00 PM
I think we've got ourselves a very good player. It does seem to me more of a confidence thing with him rather than quality but I like him a lot.

I agree. He looked really good in his first game for us away at Forest. If we can play a way that gets the most out of him he will do the job for us.

Agreed I really though he played well in that game but your right we need to play to his strength to get the best out of him which we haven't been doing so hopefully we have turned a corner with him.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Villa75 on August 23, 2017, 03:10:37 PM
I'm looking forward to seeing what he can do against Bristol City on Friday, now he's got a bit of confidence back.

These are the big games, where we need our big players to start doing the business.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: TheTimVilla on August 23, 2017, 05:47:36 PM
Two cracking goals, just like in Germany. But against poorer opponents. I really hope he can step up... I like us scoring four goals each game!
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Matt Collins on August 23, 2017, 08:20:23 PM
 Very pleased he got a brace and could have had more

But Wigan made 11 changes. Davis still has to start on Friday
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: mr underhill on August 24, 2017, 05:35:37 PM
he's doubtful apparently as is the Jedi and Mutton - although in the case of the latter that's a positive thing.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Nastylee on August 24, 2017, 10:07:20 PM
I think Hogan will score goals if we can stop isolating him. If we can get the ball to stick then we can push up twenty yards and midfielders can create space for Hogan to flourish.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: andyh on August 24, 2017, 10:41:02 PM
First off Hogan has to stay injury free.
Then he can get a run of games, and hopefully the chances will start to come and goals start flowing.

So far it has all been very stop - start for him and he hasn't really had a chance to play himself in.

He has got to stop getting crocked.





Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 24, 2017, 10:42:41 PM
Surely Davis showed in the game v Norwich how much superior he is holding up the ball and linking up with the other attacking players?

Hogan comes alive when the ball is bobbling around the area and edge of the box but from what I've seen he massively struggles to even hold onto the ball when it's played up to him.

I presume we'll only play one out and out striker tomorrow so I'd fully expect Davis to continue.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: olaftab on August 24, 2017, 10:46:21 PM
I like to see both Hogan and Davis with a midfield of Jedinak, Whelan, Hourihane and Green.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 24, 2017, 10:51:26 PM
I like to see both Hogan and Davis with a midfield of Jedinak, Whelan, Hourihane and Green.


I would like two up front , but you then lose
Hourihanes strength with him too wide in that formation??

A diamond would lose Green in that

Not sure what's best???
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: four fornicholl on August 24, 2017, 10:53:07 PM
I like to see both Hogan and Davis with a midfield of Jedinak, Whelan, Hourihane and Green.
We dont need Jedi and Whelan, replace one of the two, I'd play Whelan, with Onomah. Agree with Davis and Hogan.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on August 24, 2017, 10:55:33 PM
Surely Davis showed in the game v Norwich how much superior he is holding up the ball and linking up with the other attacking players?

Hogan comes alive when the ball is bobbling around the area and edge of the box but from what I've seen he massively struggles to even hold onto the ball when it's played up to him.

I presume we'll only play one out and out striker tomorrow so I'd fully expect Davis to continue.

I do hope we don't. Imagine Peter Withe playing on his own. What'd be the point?

Davis brings intent, and Hogan carries threat. I want to see them play together.

Mind you, once JK is fit, waddayado?
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 24, 2017, 10:59:24 PM
Sell him , joking  😃 Jk is very individual and is a bit of a free spirit

We have never really got him working in a cohesive team
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: tomd2103 on August 24, 2017, 11:06:02 PM
Surely Davis showed in the game v Norwich how much superior he is holding up the ball and linking up with the other attacking players?

Hogan comes alive when the ball is bobbling around the area and edge of the box but from what I've seen he massively struggles to even hold onto the ball when it's played up to him.

I presume we'll only play one out and out striker tomorrow so I'd fully expect Davis to continue.

I do hope we don't. Imagine Peter Withe playing on his own. What'd be the point?

Davis brings intent, and Hogan carries threat. I want to see them play together.

Mind you, once JK is fit, waddayado?

If Davis is fit then that is thr formation that suits the players we have best, particularly in midfield.  Hourihane, Onomah and Lansbury are better in a more advanced role, whereas Whelan and Jedinak are more suited to a holding role. 

As for Kodjia, I could see him playing on the left when he comes back. 
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on August 24, 2017, 11:10:33 PM
Sell him , joking  😃 Jk is very individual and is a bit of a free spirit

We have never really got him working in a cohesive team

I genuinely don't know! For JK to score how many he did, just fucking wow! But could he link with Davis? Probably more up to how Davis develops.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: adrenachrome on August 25, 2017, 12:53:51 AM
First off Hogan has to stay injury free.
Then he can get a run of games, and hopefully the chances will start to come and goals start flowing.

So far it has all been very stop - start for him and he hasn't really had a chance to play himself in.

He has got to stop getting crocked.

That is an essential skill of of a target man who can can play with his back to the ball and hold things up: don't get crocked. Anticipate the tackle from behind and go down and roll over. He does not have that in his locker.

Don't play him in that role is the answer which springs to mind.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Drummond on August 25, 2017, 02:55:33 AM

As for Kodjia, I could see him playing on the left when he comes back.

Exactly, I'm not sure we're that short on the left when you think of Green and Kodjia with Grealish to come back too.

We've a number of options.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: AndyB6 on August 25, 2017, 03:01:26 AM
I hope never to see Grealish on the left again. He contributes zilch and doesn't provide any support to whoever is playing at left back!
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 25, 2017, 06:42:14 AM

As for Kodjia, I could see him playing on the left when he comes back.

Exactly, I'm not sure we're that short on the left when you think of Green and Kodjia with Grealish to come back too.

We've a number of options.
Decent attacking options. I feel sorry for whoever is playing left back with those options ahead of them.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Dave on August 25, 2017, 07:28:12 AM
Surely Davis showed in the game v Norwich how much superior he is holding up the ball and linking up with the other attacking players?

Hogan comes alive when the ball is bobbling around the area and edge of the box but from what I've seen he massively struggles to even hold onto the ball when it's played up to him.

I presume we'll only play one out and out striker tomorrow so I'd fully expect Davis to continue.

I do hope we don't. Imagine Peter Withe playing on his own. What'd be the point?

Haven't we just scored eight in two matches playing with one up front?
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Matt Collins on August 25, 2017, 09:06:54 AM
Strong target man supported by runners from midfield?

It will never catch on
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 25, 2017, 09:46:00 AM
Surely Davis showed in the game v Norwich how much superior he is holding up the ball and linking up with the other attacking players?

Hogan comes alive when the ball is bobbling around the area and edge of the box but from what I've seen he massively struggles to even hold onto the ball when it's played up to him.

I presume we'll only play one out and out striker tomorrow so I'd fully expect Davis to continue.

I do hope we don't. Imagine Peter Withe playing on his own. What'd be the point?

Davis brings intent, and Hogan carries threat. I want to see them play together.

Mind you, once JK is fit, waddayado?

We've got a million midfielders on the books now so unless we shift a couple in the next week I'd imagine we'll be playing five for the foreseeable future.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on August 25, 2017, 01:08:44 PM
I hope never to see Grealish on the left again. He contributes zilch and doesn't provide any support to whoever is playing at left back!

Totall

against the unwashed he was picking the ball up wide left ten yards inside his own half where he is going to be able to fuck all. Number ten all day for me hasnt got the pace to play wide
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: brian green on August 25, 2017, 02:39:12 PM
Likewise for the second half against Brighton behind Crash Davis. Exploiting opportunities on the edge of the opposition box is his natural game.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on August 25, 2017, 03:30:45 PM
Likewise for the second half against Brighton behind Crash Davis. Exploiting opportunities on the edge of the opposition box is his natural game.

Absolutely

Makes him difficult to pick up and draws fouls. Him playing wide left is a dogs dinner
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: jwarry on August 25, 2017, 05:11:59 PM
Think he will be the one to benefit from the Snodgrass signing
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Matt Collins on September 14, 2017, 08:09:32 PM
Is it just me or does he have a habit of miskicking in front of goal, especially in front of the holte end?

Wish we'd gone for assombalonga
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 15, 2017, 11:29:43 AM
I thought he looked quite average against our mediocre defence the other night. No better than what we have really.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: mr underhill on September 15, 2017, 12:51:56 PM
i still don't know why we bought Hogan
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Matt Collins on September 15, 2017, 01:55:18 PM
I thought he looked quite average against our mediocre defence the other night. No better than what we have really.

Not a world beater. But has pace, power and a knack for goals. Can lead the line unlike hogan
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on September 15, 2017, 01:58:53 PM
i still don't know why we bought Hogan

We needed another striker and he was proven to do that at this level ?
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Matt Collins on September 15, 2017, 02:05:00 PM
Yes.

But it was obvious that what we needed was a proper number 9. Bruce spent months talking about playing Kodjia wide, using gabby up front, and it not really working

We then go and spend almost all of our remaining transfer budget on a diminutive striker with half a good season under his belt

The only justification I can see for this is either:

a) he wanted to pair hogan and Kodjia, but has since decided that 442 or 352 don't suit us
b) he thought hogan could lead the line if we transformed to a fluid, Brentford style outfit

A) looks like an expensive mistake. B) looks stupid
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: mr underhill on September 15, 2017, 02:37:00 PM
exactly why I can't understand why we bought him - he's the wrong player for us
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Risso on September 15, 2017, 02:44:03 PM
A panic buy with no thought to it whatsoever. 
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: paul_e on September 15, 2017, 02:56:12 PM
A panic buy with no thought to it whatsoever. 

No, Bruce was quite clear that h's followed his career for a while and had wanted him previously, or at least that's the argument that was made when I suggested he was a panic buy based on looking at the top scorer charts and working our way down.  The odd bit is that if he really did know of him before then his complete inability to work out how to use him is even more mystifying and makes Bruce look even less capable in my mind.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Ads on September 15, 2017, 02:59:30 PM
If he had Grealish playing 10 yards behind him, with Kodjia free to roam, then Hogan would have scored a lot more.

As he's spent most of his time like a man more isolated than Matt Damon's character in the Martian, he's not done much.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Risso on September 15, 2017, 03:06:08 PM
If he had Grealish playing 10 yards behind him, with Kodjia free to roam, then Hogan would have scored a lot more.

As he's spent most of his time like a man more isolated than Matt Damon's character in the Martian, he's not done much.

Easy to say but there's not much in the way of evidence for Grealish laying on lots of assists.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Drummond on September 15, 2017, 03:09:47 PM
I think Hogan will score a lot of goals, he's devoid of confidence and will come good once he nest a couple.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: paul_e on September 15, 2017, 03:49:38 PM
If he had Grealish playing 10 yards behind him, with Kodjia free to roam, then Hogan would have scored a lot more.

As he's spent most of his time like a man more isolated than Matt Damon's character in the Martian, he's not done much.

Easy to say but there's not much in the way of evidence for Grealish laying on lots of assists.

However Grealish is another who suffered last season from the midfield being too deep because it meant he was creating space and beating men on halfway rather than in the final 3rd.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: berneboy on September 15, 2017, 04:10:03 PM
If he had Grealish playing 10 yards behind him, with Kodjia free to roam, then Hogan would have scored a lot more.

As he's spent most of his time like a man more isolated than Matt Damon's character in the Martian, he's not done much.

I agree with this.

If I was more with it I would just have said:
This

But I'm not.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Mister E on September 15, 2017, 04:22:27 PM
I think Hogan will score a lot of goals, he's devoid of confidence and will come good once he nest a couple.
you think the bird will come home to roost, then? I hope you don't get egg on your face with this comment.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 15, 2017, 06:56:26 PM
I maintain I think there's a good player in Hogan, I'm just worried that we do not have the right team to utilise that player.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Clark W Griswold on September 15, 2017, 07:16:26 PM
Quality player, just bought with no plan of how to use him.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: West Derby Villan on September 15, 2017, 07:16:48 PM
I maintain I think there's a good player in Hogan, I'm just worried that we do not have the right team to utilise that player.

I agree 100%.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: brontebilly on September 15, 2017, 08:53:32 PM
Quality player, just bought with no plan of how to use him.

Bruce could be fired for the Hogan signing alone, absolutely bizarre and a shocking indictment of his scouting of players. Granted he has a decent scoring record at this level but he is a very limited player, penalty box poacher at best. It's telling that it was the dildo salesmen in stratford that were our only competition for him.

In comparison, Benitez last season clearly saw limited players like Clark, Gayle, Daryl Murphy as able to fit into the tactical construct he was putting together to get promotion.

Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Ian J on September 15, 2017, 10:07:10 PM
He's good, definitely should be doing well in this league, we just don't know or can't like most of our signings make him fit.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: SoccerHQ on September 15, 2017, 10:11:27 PM
He's had chances though. A couple in the Hull game although the ball maybe didn't quite run for him at those crucial moments (sums up his Villa career). Through early on at Cardiff and hit Etheridge. Mis kick the other night from 6 yards.

Let's not say he's been completely starved of opportunities this season.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: tomd2103 on September 16, 2017, 12:14:33 AM
A panic buy with no thought to it whatsoever.

See also R. McCormack.  In the region of £25m spent on those pair in one season.  Don't mind Hogan and he seems a decent lad, but he just looks so ineffective at the moment.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: ozzjim on September 16, 2017, 12:54:38 AM
He needs 2 or 3 decent ones in a game to give him the belief the next one will come.  Then he might not snatch so much.  Kid needs a break. 
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Louzie0 on September 16, 2017, 01:15:29 AM
Hogan fan here. Go for it!
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: ChicagoLion on September 16, 2017, 01:55:10 AM
A panic buy with no thought to it whatsoever.

See also R. McCormack.  In the region of £25m spent on those pair in one season.  Don't mind Hogan and he seems a decent lad, but he just looks so ineffective at the moment.
Just think what we could have done with the cash wasted on this pair.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: villadelph on September 16, 2017, 02:26:58 AM
TBH, I'm not worried about him at all. Needs a decent #10 and some decent possession football.. he'll come good I'm sure of it.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Matt Collins on September 16, 2017, 06:22:09 AM
TBH, I'm not worried about him at all. Needs a decent #10 and some decent possession football.. he'll come good I'm sure of it.

With a decent no 10 plus Kodjia he won't be in the team surely?
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Risso on September 16, 2017, 07:45:32 AM
TBH, I'm not worried about him at all. Needs a decent #10 and some decent possession football.. he'll come good I'm sure of it.

I really don't think he will.  He won't get a game at all if Kodjia stays fit, other than as a sub maybe.  He has no pace, no real presence and he looks to me like one of those limited players that is OK when he has the a lower league team built around him as was the case at Brentford.  He's another waste of cash, sadly.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Matt Collins on September 16, 2017, 08:11:02 AM
He's like a cheap Michael Owen without the pace

A good finisher (I do think better than he's showing) and can run in behind, but really doesn't seem to have the all round game
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: KRS on September 16, 2017, 08:45:23 AM
He hasn't shown much in the time that he's been here so far, so I would like to think that we haven't seen the best of him yet simply because we haven't played to his strengths...more worrying for me is that he blatantly isn't good enough for the Premier League should we somehow manage to get promoted so he's one of the many players that are going to have to be sold on if and when we do. Saying that, a lot of them are still yet to prove that they are good enough for us in the Championship.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Mister E on September 16, 2017, 08:49:01 AM
I want to like him and believe he's better than his current Vila career suggests. His movement and desire to get behind defences is admirable: the current coaching set-up and / or players don't seem able to deliver a style of play that exploits his game.
I think with a more assured defence, the introduction of a more dynamic and mobile holding MF and a more offensive gameplay, Hogan would flourish.
... so, we won't see it under the current regime, then!
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: tomd2103 on September 16, 2017, 08:54:23 AM
TBH, I'm not worried about him at all. Needs a decent #10 and some decent possession football.. he'll come good I'm sure of it.

With a decent no 10 plus Kodjia he won't be in the team surely?

Davis is currently ahead of him in the pecking order as well. 
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: mr underhill on September 16, 2017, 09:45:47 AM
I'm sure Bruce's replacement will have a plan. For him and the squad.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: ChicagoLion on September 16, 2017, 02:43:32 PM
TBH, I'm not worried about him at all. Needs a decent #10 and some decent possession football.. he'll come good I'm sure of it.

I really don't think he will.  He won't get a game at all if Kodjia stays fit, other than as a sub maybe.  He has no pace, no real presence and he looks to me like one of those limited players that is OK when he has the a lower league team built around him as was the case at Brentford.  He's another waste of cash, sadly.
yep.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Villa in Denmark on September 16, 2017, 04:18:43 PM
A panic buy with no thought to it whatsoever.

See also R. McCormack.  In the region of £25m spent on those pair in one season.  Don't mind Hogan and he seems a decent lad, but he just looks so ineffective at the moment.
Just think what we could have done with the cash wasted on this pair.

Wasted it on more Bruce tat if current evidence is anything to go by.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Risso on September 16, 2017, 09:28:00 PM
He's a very strange looking footballer. All torso with short legs.  When he's trying to get a sprint on, you can see his legs are going ten to the dozen, but to very little effect with all defenders catching him no trouble.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: West Derby Villan on September 17, 2017, 01:08:50 AM
I like him. Give him the opportunities and he will come good
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: ChicagoLion on September 17, 2017, 01:13:13 AM
He's a very strange looking footballer. All torso with short legs.  When he's trying to get a sprint on, you can see his legs are going ten to the dozen, but to very little effect with all defenders catching him no trouble.
I know a bloke that sitting at a table his head is above every one else, then when he stands up he is the shortest person in the room.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Dave Cooper please on September 17, 2017, 03:44:43 AM

I know a bloke that sitting at a table his head is above every one else, then when he stands up he is the shortest person in the room.


Maybe he just has a big cushion.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: mr underhill on September 17, 2017, 09:30:58 AM
or he could be an alien in disguise
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Ads on September 17, 2017, 11:36:01 AM
He looked good when he came on. Pity that through ball from Onomah was a bit too heavy.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 17, 2017, 01:20:23 PM
He looked good when he came on. Pity that through ball from Onomah was a bit too heavy.

Oh yes. That ball was superb, just a fraction too far in front of Hogan but what brilliant vision from Onomah.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Risso on September 17, 2017, 01:50:38 PM
It's one league goal in something like 19 appearances now, which is pretty crap whatever excuses there are.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Richard on September 17, 2017, 01:54:08 PM
It's not great but how many of those has he actually started in ?
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Matt Collins on September 17, 2017, 02:35:31 PM
It's not great but how many of those has he actually started in ?

Or finished the game
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Risso on September 17, 2017, 02:49:27 PM
It's not great but how many of those has he actually started in ?

Or finished the game

I suspect the not finishing games is a direct correlation of not scoring in them.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: brian green on September 17, 2017, 03:00:19 PM
Only the old uns will remember him but Ron Wylie had the same physique.  He was a very canny player and more than made up for his physical shortcomings with intelligence and became a very valuable team member.  Hogan will find his niche.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on September 17, 2017, 03:33:05 PM
It's not great but how many of those has he actually started in ?

Or finished the game

I suspect the not finishing games is a direct correlation of not scoring in them.


It's very hard to score when in about 75% of those appearances he's not had the ball. But why not make yet another player a scapegoat

Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: dave shelley on September 17, 2017, 04:40:13 PM
Only the old uns will remember him but Ron Wylie had the same physique.  He was a very canny player and more than made up for his physical shortcomings with intelligence and became a very valuable team member.  Hogan will find his niche.

Quite Brian.  Wylie was a very intelligent player for us, sometimes too intelligent for his team mates; if there can be such a thing.  As you know, but maybe others don't, he went on to have a fairly decent career for the noses after he left us.

I've just checked his age, he's 84 and our old friend Wiki tells us that his grandson Alex Grove is a Scottish international at Rugby Union.  I didn't know that.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: SoccerHQ on September 17, 2017, 04:48:47 PM
It's not great but how many of those has he actually started in ?

Are 12m strikers immune from scoring from the bench?

He started the first 3 games. Didn't score. Tough.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Risso on September 17, 2017, 08:25:07 PM
It's not great but how many of those has he actually started in ?

Or finished the game

I suspect the not finishing games is a direct correlation of not scoring in them.


It's very hard to score when in about 75% of those appearances he's not had the ball. But why not make yet another player a scapegoat



Sacapegoat, fickle, zzzzzz.  Andy- is back, rejoice!
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: adrenachrome on September 17, 2017, 08:34:34 PM
It's not great but how many of those has he actually started in ?

Or finished the game

I suspect the not finishing games is a direct correlation of not scoring in them.


It's very hard to score when in about 75% of those appearances he's not had the ball. But why not make yet another player a scapegoat



Sacapegoat, fickle, zzzzzz.  Andy- is back, rejoice!

Who would win a fight or bake-off between AC/DC and Belle and Sebastian?

Those were the days, my friends.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: olaftab on September 18, 2017, 01:00:00 AM
Once we are playing with confidence Hogan will start scoring.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: West Derby Villan on September 18, 2017, 09:02:04 AM
Once we are playing with confidence Hogan will start scoring.

I concur
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on September 18, 2017, 07:49:10 PM
Once we are playing with confidence Hogan will start scoring.

Correct, or once we've worked out how he likes the ball delivered to him. Shouldn't be hard to ask him
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: KRS on September 18, 2017, 07:57:47 PM
Could take a while...Bruce doesn't know how to use email apparently, so may be someone could communicate the messages via radio or social media for him.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: adrenachrome on September 18, 2017, 10:07:27 PM
Once we are playing with confidence Hogan will start scoring.

Correct, or once we've worked out how he likes the ball delivered to him. Shouldn't be hard to ask him

Or maybe, and I might be going out on a limb here, we should have done some research on the player in whom we were investing so much dosh, and maybe got our scouting network to compile some reports and shit. Dossiers have a bad name post Bliar and his Iraq disaster, but they still come in useful sometimes, other things beng equal.

Brucey has said that he followed the player for a long time, but fuck knows what that means in practice. I followed Jennifer Connelly for a long time, but I don't know how she likes it delivered.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: sickbeggar on September 18, 2017, 10:10:06 PM
Once we are playing with confidence Hogan will start scoring.

Correct, or once we've worked out how he likes the ball delivered to him. Shouldn't be hard to ask him

Or maybe, and I might be going out on a limb here, we should have done some research on the player in whom we were investing so much dosh, and maybe got our scouting network to compile some reports and shit. Dossiers have a bad name post Bliar and his Iraq disaster, but they still come in useful sometimes, other things beng equal.

Brucey has said that he followed the player for a long time, but fuck knows what that means in practice. I followed Jennifer Connelly for a long time, but I don't know how she likes it delivered.


I'm guessing on the ground to her feet
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Drummond on September 18, 2017, 11:06:10 PM
Once we are playing with confidence Hogan will start scoring.

Correct, or once we've worked out how he likes the ball delivered to him. Shouldn't be hard to ask him

Or maybe, and I might be going out on a limb here, we should have done some research on the player in whom we were investing so much dosh, and maybe got our scouting network to compile some reports and shit. Dossiers have a bad name post Bliar and his Iraq disaster, but they still come in useful sometimes, other things beng equal.

Brucey has said that he followed the player for a long time, but fuck knows what that means in practice. I followed Jennifer Connelly for a long time, but I don't know how she likes it delivered.


I'm guessing on the ground to her feet

You'd be wrong, she likes it long and to chase. Or with her back to goal.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: mr underhill on September 20, 2017, 07:03:09 AM
meanwhile Hogan is still poor - he was isolated again last night, ran around unproductively  a lot, and had a couple of chances which he predictably muffed .BTW, Jennifer says hello.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 20, 2017, 07:41:06 AM
8 months on and Bruce still hasn't worked out that hoofing the ball up to a small fella doesn't work. £12m on a player that you rarely, if ever, use right is ridiculous.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: avfcpg on September 20, 2017, 07:51:38 AM
Can't play Hogan on his own up front or with no support from midfield. Feel sorry for the guy...think he's a decent player that's being mismanaged..
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 20, 2017, 07:57:51 AM
Agree completely I think he's being mismanaged terribly.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Matt Collins on September 20, 2017, 08:35:54 AM
He played upfront in a 451 for Brentford - that's the thing that perplexes me a bit. Obviously different style. But even so he still just doesn't look capable of playing that role at all for me
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Risso on September 20, 2017, 08:57:54 AM
It's like watching Tyrion Lannister running into battle.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: in exile on September 20, 2017, 08:59:23 AM
He and Bruce had words when Hogan was substituted last night, and by the look of body language they were not very friendly
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: The Edge on September 20, 2017, 09:11:25 AM
It's like watching Tyrion Lannister running into battle.
Spot on. That made me 😂. I needed cheering up after last night. Thanks.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: The Edge on September 20, 2017, 09:15:18 AM
He's a very strange looking footballer. All torso with short legs.  When he's trying to get a sprint on, you can see his legs are going ten to the dozen, but to very little effect with all defenders catching him no trouble.
Tyrion Lannister? (shamelessly nicks someone else's quote)
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: garyshawsknee on September 20, 2017, 09:24:32 AM
Feel sorry for him, SB has bought him and has no idea what to do with him....also see Hourihane and Lansbury.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: West Derby Villan on September 20, 2017, 09:34:37 AM
It's like watching Tyrion Lannister running into battle.

Brilliant analogy, probably needs Jamie or even Gregor Clegane to play off
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: tomd2103 on September 20, 2017, 10:23:19 AM
I am struggling to think of a player I have seen play for us who has had less impact on a game than Hogan.  I understand that the service wasn't great again last night, but he had absolutely no affect on the game whatsoever.  I fully understand it must be difficult when the service is so limited, but he doesn't make it difficult for defenders at all and they seem to have such an easy time against him. 
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: paul_e on September 20, 2017, 10:25:08 AM
Guess who's recently binge watched GoT
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: KRS on September 20, 2017, 10:34:46 AM
I am struggling to think of a player I have seen play for us who has had less impact on a game than Hogan.  I understand that the service wasn't great again last night, but he had absolutely no affect on the game whatsoever.  I fully understand it must be difficult when the service is so limited, but he doesn't make it difficult for defenders at all and they seem to have such an easy time against him. 
He's one of those forwards that can't really make chances for himself (see J.Kodjia) and needs goals handed to him on a plate (see D.Bent) so requires the correct service. He'll continue to be a waste of time and money unless Bruce starts to use him correctly.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: The Edge on September 20, 2017, 10:36:52 AM
I am struggling to think of a player I have seen play for us who has had less impact on a game than Hogan.  I understand that the service wasn't great again last night, but he had absolutely no affect on the game whatsoever.  I fully understand it must be difficult when the service is so limited, but he doesn't make it difficult for defenders at all and they seem to have such an easy time against him.
Can't fault his effort he does his best to close down defenders. But he has no real turn of pace so the only way he can be effective for us is to keep putting the ball into danger areas where he can try to anticipate and get on the end of them. Sadly for him I just don't see that happening. Bruce is going with the all round threat that Kodja & Davis provide.Brentfords style of play suited his abilities far better. A signing that Bruce just gave little to no thought on integrating into the team. I wouldn't be too happy if it was my 12 million he spent.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: tomd2103 on September 20, 2017, 11:03:26 AM
I am struggling to think of a player I have seen play for us who has had less impact on a game than Hogan.  I understand that the service wasn't great again last night, but he had absolutely no affect on the game whatsoever.  I fully understand it must be difficult when the service is so limited, but he doesn't make it difficult for defenders at all and they seem to have such an easy time against him.
Can't fault his effort he does his best to close down defenders. But he has no real turn of pace so the only way he can be effective for us is to keep putting the ball into danger areas where he can try to anticipate and get on the end of them. Sadly for him I just don't see that happening. Bruce is going with the all round threat that Kodja & Davis provide.Brentfords style of play suited his abilities far better. A signing that Bruce just gave little to no thought on integrating into the team. I wouldn't be too happy if it was my 12 million he spent.

As others have said, it's not all his fault but he offers absolutely nothing in terms of what you would expect from a forward.  He doesn't offer a target, he doesn't hold the ball up, he doesn't challenge in the air, he doesn't work the channels, he doesn't drop deep and doesn't link play up.  I do feel for the guy, but at the moment he just looks so ineffective.  I would rather have Agbonlahor up front and that is saying something.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: West Derby Villan on September 20, 2017, 11:14:34 AM
I am struggling to think of a player I have seen play for us who has had less impact on a game than Hogan.  I understand that the service wasn't great again last night, but he had absolutely no affect on the game whatsoever.  I fully understand it must be difficult when the service is so limited, but he doesn't make it difficult for defenders at all and they seem to have such an easy time against him.
Can't fault his effort he does his best to close down defenders. But he has no real turn of pace so the only way he can be effective for us is to keep putting the ball into danger areas where he can try to anticipate and get on the end of them. Sadly for him I just don't see that happening. Bruce is going with the all round threat that Kodja & Davis provide.Brentfords style of play suited his abilities far better. A signing that Bruce just gave little to no thought on integrating into the team. I wouldn't be too happy if it was my 12 million he spent.

As others have said, it's not all his fault but he offers absolutely nothing in terms of what you would expect from a forward.  He doesn't offer a target, he doesn't hold the ball up, he doesn't challenge in the air, he doesn't work the channels, he doesn't drop deep and doesn't link play up.  I do feel for the guy, but at the moment he just looks so ineffective.  I would rather have Agbonlahor up front and that is saying something.

Agree 100% Tom apart from your last sentence.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 20, 2017, 05:27:40 PM
He played upfront in a 451 for Brentford - that's the thing that perplexes me a bit. Obviously different style. But even so he still just doesn't look capable of playing that role at all for me

Look at the goals he scored. The ball was played through to him. Brentford played with midfielders and forwards close together not fucking miles apart. He's being asked to do a role that just doesn't suit him. For a "manager" and I'm going to use that term loosely for Bungle Bruce, not to know that, or to have spent that much money and not play to his strengths just shows how utterly out of touch he is.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: London Villan on September 20, 2017, 09:49:39 PM
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Through balls from midfield... all a bit alien for us.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: aj2k77 on September 20, 2017, 10:00:39 PM
All those through balls.....
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: ChicagoLion on September 20, 2017, 10:11:41 PM
All those through balls.....
He is a goal poacher, wants to hang around and get played in, that's his game, a one trick pony, unfortunately he is playing for a manager that is not going to feed the pony.

Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Villafirst on September 20, 2017, 10:15:56 PM
Had Bruce looked at his goals? And how to get the best out of him? I doubt it....When Jack is fit Hogan might thrive as he is more likely to get the right service. But, Bruce doesn't always play Jack in his strongest position!
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Ian J on September 20, 2017, 10:29:26 PM
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Can we sign this fella?
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 20, 2017, 10:57:41 PM
Had Bruce looked at his goals? And how to get the best out of him? I doubt it....When Jack is fit Hogan might thrive as he is more likely to get the right service. But, Bruce doesn't always play Jack in his strongest position!

Has he looked at him? You're having a laugh. If this was Football Manager I wouldn't use a lump it up to him tactic and I manage Villa in my boxers. So why is so called professional football manager?
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: eamonn on September 20, 2017, 11:06:15 PM
He and Bruce had words when Hogan was substituted last night, and by the look of body language they were not very friendly

Someone said the same about Elphick. Player mutiny might be the easiest way of getting rid of our fucking manager. Isn't that what did for Dolly? And Garde in a way.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: SoccerHQ on September 20, 2017, 11:10:38 PM
Had Bruce looked at his goals? And how to get the best out of him? I doubt it....When Jack is fit Hogan might thrive as he is more likely to get the right service. But, Bruce doesn't always play Jack in his strongest position!

Might help if Hogan could actually finish his one on ones.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 20, 2017, 11:25:30 PM
Are we sure we haven't signed the famous Jimmy Hogan instead?!
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Ad@m on September 20, 2017, 11:33:05 PM
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Can we sign this fella?

Ive watched that and I can't see a single goal where the centre half or goalie get the assist via a long hoof down the middle.

On that basis he's clearly no good to us!
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: SoccerHQ on September 20, 2017, 11:42:21 PM
Interesting watch.

Plenty of goals there where the ball is bobbling around the six yard box from corners and crosses and he gets on the end of them, that's the sort of goal poacher I was expecting but the ball just hasn't run for him.

People were posting the McCormack YT videos this time last year which made him look world class (in fairness there were some great long range strikes in there) but it just hasn't happened for him here like it hasn't for Hogan.

It happens to all clubs and we've had more than our share of forwards in the past who've suffered the same fate.

Kodjia is excellent we know that and Davis is developing nicely so I'm happy enough for those two to take up the burden up to xmas.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Mister E on September 21, 2017, 08:07:38 AM
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Can we sign this fella?
He's good; very good.
Not all of the goals are tap-ins: several require him to do stuff!

It beggars belief that we are struggling for goals and cannot get the best out of this fella.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Proposition Joe on September 21, 2017, 10:45:26 AM
I am struggling to think of a player I have seen play for us who has had less impact on a game than Hogan.  I understand that the service wasn't great again last night, but he had absolutely no affect on the game whatsoever.  I fully understand it must be difficult when the service is so limited, but he doesn't make it difficult for defenders at all and they seem to have such an easy time against him.

Remember Guy Whittingham? Didn't we sign him on the back of a 40+ goal season? Then when he played for us he simply didn't fit. Left us with single figure goals.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: garyshawsknee on September 21, 2017, 10:53:42 AM
Big Ron tried to play him in a three, never worked. Same goes for when Sir Brian signed Collymore.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Diablo on September 21, 2017, 11:43:44 AM
What formation did Brentford play Scott Hogan in? I assume they played 2 up front?

Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 21, 2017, 11:53:18 AM
to be fair any time we buy somebody who looks great , they come here and turn into rubbish, the club seems cursed .

every unknown Benteke we sign there seems to be 30 players who just devalue as soon as they put a villa shirt on.

It would help If Bruce played him to his strengths instead of just hoofing it up to him .  I mean its took SB long enough to realise you need to support Davis instead of leaving him on his own 40 yards up the pitch.

in fact I have no idea what SB does here .

I think there is a good player in Hogan and most teams in this division would kill for a Hogan , Davis and Kodja forward line. We just need a manager who can actually play them to their strengths.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: tomd2103 on September 21, 2017, 12:16:03 PM
I am struggling to think of a player I have seen play for us who has had less impact on a game than Hogan.  I understand that the service wasn't great again last night, but he had absolutely no affect on the game whatsoever.  I fully understand it must be difficult when the service is so limited, but he doesn't make it difficult for defenders at all and they seem to have such an easy time against him.

Remember Guy Whittingham? Didn't we sign him on the back of a 40+ goal season? Then when he played for us he simply didn't fit. Left us with single figure goals.

Certainly do.  Gary Penrice was another one.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Damo70 on September 21, 2017, 12:38:32 PM
I am struggling to think of a player I have seen play for us who has had less impact on a game than Hogan.  I understand that the service wasn't great again last night, but he had absolutely no affect on the game whatsoever.  I fully understand it must be difficult when the service is so limited, but he doesn't make it difficult for defenders at all and they seem to have such an easy time against him.

Remember Guy Whittingham? Didn't we sign him on the back of a 40+ goal season? Then when he played for us he simply didn't fit. Left us with single figure goals.

Certainly do.  Gary Penrice was another one.


To be fair to Whttingham and Penrice they both came from a lower division. Whittingham was only given 25 games and Penrice just twenty (I actually though Penrice played even less than that). You can also guarantee that in both cases those totals included coming on as sub a fair few times.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: tomd2103 on September 21, 2017, 12:47:05 PM
I am struggling to think of a player I have seen play for us who has had less impact on a game than Hogan.  I understand that the service wasn't great again last night, but he had absolutely no affect on the game whatsoever.  I fully understand it must be difficult when the service is so limited, but he doesn't make it difficult for defenders at all and they seem to have such an easy time against him.

Remember Guy Whittingham? Didn't we sign him on the back of a 40+ goal season? Then when he played for us he simply didn't fit. Left us with single figure goals.

Certainly do.  Gary Penrice was another one.


To be fair to Whttingham and Penrice they both came from a lower division. Whittingham was only given 25 games and Penrice just twenty (I actually though Penrice played even less than that). You can also guarantee that in both cases those totals included coming on as sub a fair few times.

Fair point.  I think it is probably worth noting that Hogan was playing non-league football four years ago. 
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 21, 2017, 12:49:37 PM
Had Bruce looked at his goals? And how to get the best out of him?

To be fair to Bodger Bruce, he only saw the one goal from that video, the one where they hoof the ball into the box and Scott scores with a header.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Damo70 on September 21, 2017, 12:52:27 PM
I am struggling to think of a player I have seen play for us who has had less impact on a game than Hogan.  I understand that the service wasn't great again last night, but he had absolutely no affect on the game whatsoever.  I fully understand it must be difficult when the service is so limited, but he doesn't make it difficult for defenders at all and they seem to have such an easy time against him.

Remember Guy Whittingham? Didn't we sign him on the back of a 40+ goal season? Then when he played for us he simply didn't fit. Left us with single figure goals.

Certainly do.  Gary Penrice was another one.


To be fair to Whttingham and Penrice they both came from a lower division. Whittingham was only given 25 games and Penrice just twenty (I actually though Penrice played even less than that). You can also guarantee that in both cases those totals included coming on as sub a fair few times.

Fair point.  I think it is probably worth noting that Hogan was playing non-league football four years ago.

The way things are going for him, the team, it's style of play and the manager at the moment just sit back and enjoy all the punchlines to your post roll in.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Axl Rose on September 21, 2017, 01:07:03 PM
Was the away game at Bristol City straight after the Wigan cup match? I could just check, but I'm lazy.

For me, in the Wigan game where he scored a brace, he looked sharp and his second was a beautiful finish. He should have been the first name on the team sheet for the Bristol City game. If we had a proper manager who plays to win, Hogan would've been.

Instead he was reduced to the status of a late sub. For what reason? Was he injured in the Wigan game? If so, why was he even in the squad for the Friday night match?

Bruce has contributed hugely to Hogan's lack of form.

A crap manager. Get rid.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Matt Collins on September 21, 2017, 01:07:40 PM
I spoke to a Brentford fan about him a few weeks ago

He said: good player, couldn't believe how much we paid for him, has only really had one good half season at this level, and was very injury prone
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Axl Rose on September 21, 2017, 01:11:38 PM
I spoke to a Brentford fan about him a few weeks ago

He said: good player, couldn't believe how much we paid for him, has only really had one good half season at this level, and was very injury prone

But look at that video a few pages back. He looks great, and his record stacks up, too. Imagine a manager with a brain and real tactical nous, a manager who could pair him and Kodjia/Davis(or all three) and wreck havoc in this division.

Once Bruce departs, hopefully someone will come in and rejuvenate Hogan. I think he's a decent player.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Damo70 on September 21, 2017, 01:14:25 PM
I like what I've seen of Hogan too.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: tomd2103 on September 21, 2017, 01:23:39 PM
It could be interesting to see him partnered with Davis, although he is behind Kodjia at the moment in those stakes.  Davis could do the kind of work he doesn't do well, leaving him to concentrate on his strengths. 
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Matt Collins on September 21, 2017, 01:33:12 PM
Was the away game at Bristol City straight after the Wigan cup match? I could just check, but I'm lazy.

For me, in the Wigan game where he scored a brace, he looked sharp and his second was a beautiful finish. He should have been the first name on the team sheet for the Bristol City game. If we had a proper manager who plays to win, Hogan would've been.

Instead he was reduced to the status of a late sub. For what reason? Was he injured in the Wigan game? If so, why was he even in the squad for the Friday night match?

Bruce has contributed hugely to Hogan's lack of form.

A crap manager. Get rid.

We were playing Wigan reserves.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: paul_e on September 21, 2017, 01:36:28 PM
Was the away game at Bristol City straight after the Wigan cup match? I could just check, but I'm lazy.

For me, in the Wigan game where he scored a brace, he looked sharp and his second was a beautiful finish. He should have been the first name on the team sheet for the Bristol City game. If we had a proper manager who plays to win, Hogan would've been.

Instead he was reduced to the status of a late sub. For what reason? Was he injured in the Wigan game? If so, why was he even in the squad for the Friday night match?

Bruce has contributed hugely to Hogan's lack of form.

A crap manager. Get rid.

We were playing Wigan reserves.

Which didn't stop people using it, at the time, as a sign that Bruce had worked out how we should play.  That's why I don't count any of the cup games in when talking about his record, because the teams that play those games don't really represent the team you see in the league, certainly not in the first few rounds of this cup.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 21, 2017, 01:41:17 PM
We have so many options, a real embarrassment of riches but there's nothing to stop us at least at home playing 4-3-3 with a front line of Hogan, Davis and Kodja supported my a midfield of Jedi or Whelan protecting the back line with two runners in front, Houriane and Onomah.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: The Edge on September 21, 2017, 01:51:22 PM
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Through balls from midfield... all a bit alien for us.
That is NOT the same Scott Hogan we have signed. There must've been a mix up at the hospital.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Axl Rose on September 21, 2017, 01:56:13 PM
Was the away game at Bristol City straight after the Wigan cup match? I could just check, but I'm lazy.

For me, in the Wigan game where he scored a brace, he looked sharp and his second was a beautiful finish. He should have been the first name on the team sheet for the Bristol City game. If we had a proper manager who plays to win, Hogan would've been.

Instead he was reduced to the status of a late sub. For what reason? Was he injured in the Wigan game? If so, why was he even in the squad for the Friday night match?

Bruce has contributed hugely to Hogan's lack of form.

A crap manager. Get rid.

We were playing Wigan reserves.

You can only beat what's in front of you, though. As much of a cliche as that sounds, it does hold an element of truth.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 21, 2017, 01:58:20 PM
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Through balls from midfield... all a bit alien for us.
That is NOT the same Scott Hogan we have signed. There must've been a mix up at the hospital.

same player just this is a team that creates
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Risso on September 21, 2017, 02:11:39 PM
Youtube compilations are no guarantee of quality.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: The Edge on September 21, 2017, 02:30:41 PM
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Through balls from midfield... all a bit alien for us.
That is NOT the same Scott Hogan we have signed. There must've been a mix up at the hospital.

same player just this is a team that creates
I know really
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: dcdavecollett on September 24, 2017, 11:42:37 AM
I thought the initial fee for SH was £9m.

As he hasn't exactly scored a shitload of goals and we haven't been promoted yet, presumably we haven't had to pay any extras, as I write.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on September 26, 2017, 02:23:42 PM
Been called up for the Republic Of Ireland.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Drummond on September 26, 2017, 02:49:33 PM
Been called up for the Republic Of Ireland.

Good maybe they can get him scoring!
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: darren woolley on September 26, 2017, 03:08:16 PM
He's chose Ireland now so he can look forward too International football now.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: He wears a magic hat on September 26, 2017, 03:09:09 PM
Are Ireland really that short of strikers
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on September 26, 2017, 03:21:40 PM
Are Ireland really that short of strikers

Looks like it:

FW   Shane Long   22 January 1987 (age 30)   76   17   England Southampton
FW   Kevin Doyle   18 September 1983 (age 34)   63   14   United States Colorado Rapids
FW   Jonathan Walters   20 September 1983 (age 34)   51   14   England Burnley
FW   Daryl Murphy   15 March 1983 (age 34)   28   1   England Nottingham Forest
FW   David McGoldrick   29 November 1987 (age 29)   6   0   England Ipswich Town
FW   SeŠn Maguire   1 May 1994 (age 23)   0   0   England Preston North End
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Mossie Hennebry on September 26, 2017, 03:37:34 PM
Welcome aboard Scotty! You'll be eating Tayto sandwiches and driving Opels instead of Vauxhalls in no time!
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Ad@m on September 26, 2017, 05:15:32 PM
We have so many options, a real embarrassment of riches but there's nothing to stop us at least at home playing 4-3-3 with a front line of Hogan, Davis and Kodja supported my a midfield of Jedi or Whelan protecting the back line with two runners in front, Houriane and Onomah.

I don't think that would work - there's absolutely no width there which would allow the opposition to stifle us much too easily when we're attacking and would leave our fullbacks horribly exposed when the opposition is attacking.

Hogan needs to play in a front two.  Ideally it would be Hogan and Davies up top, with Kodjia left and Albert right.  Then Whelan plus Onomah/Hourihane/Lansbury in the middle with licence to push forward.  I am absolutely certain based on zero managerial experience that that team would smash the living daylights out of every other team in this division.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: olaftab on September 26, 2017, 05:18:58 PM
Pleased they called him up and hope he plays so that he can get match fit for us ;)
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Matt Collins on September 26, 2017, 10:28:48 PM
We have so many options, a real embarrassment of riches but there's nothing to stop us at least at home playing 4-3-3 with a front line of Hogan, Davis and Kodja supported my a midfield of Jedi or Whelan protecting the back line with two runners in front, Houriane and Onomah.

I don't think that would work - there's absolutely no width there which would allow the opposition to stifle us much too easily when we're attacking and would leave our fullbacks horribly exposed when the opposition is attacking.

Hogan needs to play in a front two.  Ideally it would be Hogan and Davies up top, with Kodjia left and Albert right.  Then Whelan plus Onomah/Hourihane/Lansbury in the middle with licence to push forward.  I am absolutely certain based on zero managerial experience that that team would smash the living daylights out of every other team in this division.

Agree on the 433. Wouldn't work
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: QuintonVilla on September 26, 2017, 10:34:07 PM
Great attitude when he came on.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: footyskillz on September 28, 2017, 11:55:47 PM
I think right style of play hogan will score many. A cross between Jamie vardy and shane long.
I don't think Bruce plays to Hogan abilities.
Kodija already showed his impact on how he's distracting and troubling defenders with his play. Hogan is a useful impact sub at this moment.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: brontebilly on September 29, 2017, 12:04:52 AM
Are Ireland really that short of strikers

He wasn't too interested in playing for Ireland not too long ago. The cynic in me is a little sceptical of Scotty (Sean) Hogans motives here.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: footyskillz on September 29, 2017, 12:07:04 AM
Are Ireland really that short of strikers

He wasn't too interested in playing for Ireland not too long ago. The cynic in me is a little sceptical of Scotty (Sean) Hogans motives here.

Out of interest what is the Irish heritage and thus link for his eligibility
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on September 29, 2017, 06:53:31 AM
Are Ireland really that short of strikers

He wasn't too interested in playing for Ireland not too long ago. The cynic in me is a little sceptical of Scotty (Sean) Hogans motives here.

Out of interest what is the Irish heritage and thus link for his eligibility

I believe the Irish FA have what is called a "flexible approach" when it comes to that question for any decent player. Bless em :)
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Drummond on September 29, 2017, 09:26:45 AM
Are Ireland really that short of strikers

He wasn't too interested in playing for Ireland not too long ago. The cynic in me is a little sceptical of Scotty (Sean) Hogans motives here.

Out of interest what is the Irish heritage and thus link for his eligibility

I believe the Irish FA have what is called a "flexible approach" when it comes to that question for any decent player. Bless em :)

I think he sneezed when he was outside Molly Malone's once.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: dave shelley on September 29, 2017, 09:37:26 AM
Are Ireland really that short of strikers

Given that the news here this morning that Kevin Doyle has retired from all football with immediate effect on health grounds, I would say yes.

Doyle is suffering from constant headaches which he attributes to heading the ball, he has also suffered two concussions so far this season.  He's being very wise IMO.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Villa75 on September 29, 2017, 01:27:18 PM
Are Ireland really that short of strikers

He wasn't too interested in playing for Ireland not too long ago. The cynic in me is a little sceptical of Scotty (Sean) Hogans motives here.

Out of interest what is the Irish heritage and thus link for his eligibility

I believe the Irish FA have what is called a "flexible approach" when it comes to that question for any decent player. Bless em :)

He has Irish grandparents. Grandparents count in most cases, as far as International football selection goes.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: LeeB on September 29, 2017, 04:59:20 PM
Are Ireland really that short of strikers

He wasn't too interested in playing for Ireland not too long ago. The cynic in me is a little sceptical of Scotty (Sean) Hogans motives here.

Out of interest what is the Irish heritage and thus link for his eligibility

I believe the Irish FA have what is called a "flexible approach" when it comes to that question for any decent player. Bless em :)

He has Irish grandparents. Grandparents count in most cases, as far as International football selection goes.

I would have thought his surname was enough proof of lineage.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: footyskillz on September 30, 2017, 03:38:35 AM
Thanks. We'll good luck to him,!! Villa players with republic Ireland often have a connection.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: mr underhill on October 01, 2017, 12:07:03 PM
If I were Hogan I's be looking for a move - things are not working out for him at VP.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Matt Collins on October 01, 2017, 12:24:26 PM
Are Ireland really that short of strikers

He wasn't too interested in playing for Ireland not too long ago. The cynic in me is a little sceptical of Scotty (Sean) Hogans motives here.

Out of interest what is the Irish heritage and thus link for his eligibility

I believe the Irish FA have what is called a "flexible approach" when it comes to that question for any decent player. Bless em :)

He has Irish grandparents. Grandparents count in most cases, as far as International football selection goes.

I would have thought his surname was enough proof of lineage.

Exactly. He's called Hogan!
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: saunders_heroes on October 01, 2017, 12:26:35 PM
Are Ireland really that short of strikers

He wasn't too interested in playing for Ireland not too long ago. The cynic in me is a little sceptical of Scotty (Sean) Hogans motives here.

Out of interest what is the Irish heritage and thus link for his eligibility

I believe the Irish FA have what is called a "flexible approach" when it comes to that question for any decent player. Bless em :)

He has Irish grandparents. Grandparents count in most cases, as far as International football selection goes.

I would have thought his surname was enough proof of lineage.

Exactly.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Ad@m on October 01, 2017, 02:54:30 PM
If I were Hogan I's be looking for a move - things are not working out for him at VP.

I agree. Playing under Bruce is destroying his confidence and reputation.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: LeeB on October 01, 2017, 03:00:17 PM
If I were Hogan I's be looking for a move - things are not working out for him at VP.

I agree. Playing under Bruce is destroying his confidence and reputation.

It's just not happening, and it's not for the want of effort. I'd wonder if we could cut a deal with Brentford, send him back and take the little ginger lad in midfield, if only to stop the fucker bossing us like Paul Scholes.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: ktvillan on October 01, 2017, 03:32:49 PM
I think Hogan is a good player but could do with a run in the team of three or four games to give him a decent chance of getting some chances and goals. Added to the fact Bruce doesn't seem to know how to play to his strengths - despite buying him -  it's very difficult for him to get opportunities in 15-20 minute cameos.   
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Risso on October 02, 2017, 09:23:30 AM
I think Hogan is a good player but could do with a run in the team of three or four games to give him a decent chance of getting some chances and goals. Added to the fact Bruce doesn't seem to know how to play to his strengths - despite buying him -  it's very difficult for him to get opportunities in 15-20 minute cameos.   

There's no way either Davis or Kodjia is going to be dropped for Hogan at the moment.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Brend'Watkins on October 02, 2017, 10:16:52 AM
He can offer something different like he did Saturday.  He's never going to be a holder up of the ball but can get in behind defences if the right balls are delivered to him. He might as well not be there if as we have done previously just lumped balls in his general direction. As Risso has stated, Davis and Kodja are our starters every time.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: tomd2103 on October 02, 2017, 10:26:16 AM
If I were Hogan I's be looking for a move - things are not working out for him at VP.

I agree. Playing under Bruce is destroying his confidence and reputation.

It's just not happening, and it's not for the want of effort. I'd wonder if we could cut a deal with Brentford, send him back and take the little ginger lad in midfield, if only to stop the fucker bossing us like Paul Scholes.

Agree with that, he's just not suited to the style we play and looks terribly ineffective as a result.  We desperately need another option like Davis in the squad to rotate with him when needed.  I do feel for him, but as you say, it just isn't working.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Diablo on October 02, 2017, 10:51:42 AM
Hogan offers something different to what we have. I'm hoping that they (Calderwood /Bruce) are urgently working on the training ground to play to Hogan's strengths or that when Grealish returns he'll help. Imagine if we had some tactical flexibility/variation?
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: tomd2103 on October 02, 2017, 11:25:03 AM
Hogan offers something different to what we have. I'm hoping that they (Calderwood /Bruce) are urgently working on the training ground to play to Hogan's strengths or that when Grealish returns he'll help. Imagine if we had some tactical flexibility/variation?

It's a nice idea, but we don't currently have that.  The problem is that Hogan coming on in tight games like Saturday means that we will find ourselves under increasing pressure as the ball won't stick up front.  As I said before, I feel for him but he is currently not what we need.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: chrisw1 on October 02, 2017, 11:58:55 AM
Hogan offers something different to what we have. I'm hoping that they (Calderwood /Bruce) are urgently working on the training ground to play to Hogan's strengths or that when Grealish returns he'll help. Imagine if we had some tactical flexibility/variation?

It's a nice idea, but we don't currently have that.  The problem is that Hogan coming on in tight games like Saturday means that we will find ourselves under increasing pressure as the ball won't stick up front.  As I said before, I feel for him but he is currently not what we need.
I think he is being brought on mainly to add energy and press
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Newby on October 02, 2017, 12:03:15 PM
Hogan is better suited to the counter attacking style. Good movement, pacey. None of our forwards are particularly good at the long ball stuff. Keinan might be if he has players around him but that's not really the game plan for the long ball I guess. I'd like to see Hogan and Keinan rotated in terms of starts. Both very useful players.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Hookeysmith on October 02, 2017, 01:12:35 PM
Whenever he brings Hogan on he takes both Davis and then Kodjia in quick succession leaving poor Hogan on his todd again
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: tomd2103 on October 02, 2017, 01:34:37 PM
Hogan offers something different to what we have. I'm hoping that they (Calderwood /Bruce) are urgently working on the training ground to play to Hogan's strengths or that when Grealish returns he'll help. Imagine if we had some tactical flexibility/variation?

It's a nice idea, but we don't currently have that.  The problem is that Hogan coming on in tight games like Saturday means that we will find ourselves under increasing pressure as the ball won't stick up front.  As I said before, I feel for him but he is currently not what we need.
I think he is being brought on mainly to add energy and press

Unfortunately he does neither.  It just looks so easy for defenders against him at the moment.  As pointed out above, it doesn't help that he is usually up front on his own when he comes on.  I'd like to see how he fares alongside Davis at some point.     
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: ChicagoLion on October 03, 2017, 02:27:07 AM
Still looks a very poor signing.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Clark W Griswold on October 03, 2017, 01:42:57 PM
Poor signing in the sense that he's been bought for a huge fee and no plan how to use him but he's a very good player and the one I really feel sorry for because we appear to have found a winning formula without him in the team. I really think this one was a ridiculous panic buy. I've absolutely no doubt he'll do well for us if we can accommodate him and if not he'll do very well for someone else at this level certainly, maybe higher.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Keeno on October 03, 2017, 03:23:46 PM
Poor signing in the sense that he's been bought for a huge fee and no plan how to use him but he's a very good player and the one I really feel sorry for because we appear to have found a winning formula without him in the team. I really think this one was a ridiculous panic buy. I've absolutely no doubt he'll do well for us if we can accommodate him and if not he'll do very well for someone else at this level certainly, maybe higher.

Fully agree with this. There are 'poor' signings where the player is just crap, and whoever scouted him (if at all) was misguided, and there are signings where the player is obviously a good footballer (as Hogan clearly is) but individual and system just don't fit well together. I'd love to see him do well for us, but I simply have reservations as to whether or not Bruce is capable of playing in the style Hogan needs to get service as a striker.

Seems like a decent bloke and works hard - part of me wouldn't begrudge him moving on if he can get back to the form he's shown elsewhere.
Ideally though we'd be able to adapt the way we play so we can utilise him a bit better when needed. Ideally.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Gareth on October 03, 2017, 03:46:02 PM
Whenever he brings Hogan on he takes both Davis and then Kodjia in quick succession leaving poor Hogan on his todd again

My thoughts exactly.  He is all on his own feeding on ball that is largely in the air, I donít understand the thought process in signing a big money forward and never playing to his strengths
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: ChicagoLion on October 03, 2017, 04:26:36 PM
The problem I see is that even when the ball is played to his feet he loses possession.
 I Am assuming that he can only operate with the ball played in front of him which is pretty limiting.
This might be ok against lower level opposition but you cannot build a team on it.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: paul_e on October 03, 2017, 05:13:40 PM
Whenever he brings Hogan on he takes both Davis and then Kodjia in quick succession leaving poor Hogan on his todd again

My thoughts exactly.  He is all on his own feeding on ball that is largely in the air, I donít understand the thought process in signing a big money forward and never playing to his strengths

From the highlights there's one 'chance' he has which highlights how poor a job we're doing with him:

https://youtu.be/A0GH3CoRric?t=7m28s (https://youtu.be/A0GH3CoRric?t=7m28s)


That's not a shooting opportunity but could've been a really good chance if we'd had someone busting a gut to get into the box.  I get that they were all in our half but that's exactly the problem, we always slip into that 451 when he comes on and it means he regularly gets the ball in places like that.

Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Risso on October 03, 2017, 06:32:34 PM
Poor signing in the sense that he's been bought for a huge fee and no plan how to use him but he's a very good player and the one I really feel sorry for because we appear to have found a winning formula without him in the team. I really think this one was a ridiculous panic buy. I've absolutely no doubt he'll do well for us if we can accommodate him and if not he'll do very well for someone else at this level certainly, maybe higher.

It was a panic buy absolutely. Iím also not sure that heís a very good player, as to me he looks like a one trick lower league pony who has won the lottery after a good half season with Brentford.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Clampy on October 03, 2017, 07:00:37 PM
I'm not so sure about him being a panic buy. There's not much evidence of that really to be honest. I think he's a very good player as well. It's just not happened for him here yet unfortunately.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Ian J on October 03, 2017, 07:27:30 PM
 I like him and still have a hope that he will come good for us.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: ChicagoLion on October 03, 2017, 09:21:39 PM
Poor signing in the sense that he's been bought for a huge fee and no plan how to use him but he's a very good player and the one I really feel sorry for because we appear to have found a winning formula without him in the team. I really think this one was a ridiculous panic buy. I've absolutely no doubt he'll do well for us if we can accommodate him and if not he'll do very well for someone else at this level certainly, maybe higher.

It was a panic buy absolutely. Iím also not sure that heís a very good player, as to me he looks like a one trick lower league pony who has won the lottery after a good half season with Brentford.
I am also confused by the " very good player" comments I keep seeing.
If you play up front, you have to be able to hold the ball up and he doesn't.
Great technique? Strength? Good in the air? Lots of pace ? Nope.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: SoccerHQ on October 03, 2017, 09:53:24 PM
I think Hogan is a good player but could do with a run in the team of three or four games to give him a decent chance of getting some chances and goals. Added to the fact Bruce doesn't seem to know how to play to his strengths - despite buying him -  it's very difficult for him to get opportunities in 15-20 minute cameos.   

Would weaken us though.

For how we actually play week in week out Kodjia and Davis for different reasons are ideal strikers in the final third for us. Davis can properly hold it up and in the games when we're clueless going forward individualism from Kodjia creates chances and goals.

Hogan can't do either from what I've seen.

In a funny way he reminds me of Collymore (without all the baggage). Week after week people were saying this would be the game where Stan would score and he'd go on a run but it just never happened bar a couple of good weeks when we were top of the league in 1998.

I think it's not far off when we'll have to cut our losses on him like McCormack.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: SoccerHQ on October 03, 2017, 09:56:20 PM
I'm not so sure about him being a panic buy. There's not much evidence of that really to be honest. I think he's a very good player as well. It's just not happened for him here yet unfortunately.

Considering how we play a much better signing would've been giving Newcastle 4m for Daryl Murphy in January.

No one can argue he's a 12m player anyway. That sort is someone who could step up and do well in the prem and I see little that suggests he could hurt premier league defences.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Matt Collins on October 03, 2017, 09:59:05 PM
We definitely paid way more than market rate
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: SoccerHQ on October 03, 2017, 10:01:20 PM
How much did Brentford sell Jota for, 6m?

That's the sort where you can pay and if it dosen't come off you can get most of your money back.

12m really needs to be an all round forward who can hold it up, score and also be good enough to step up as/when promotion happens.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on October 03, 2017, 10:25:41 PM
We definitely paid way more than market rate

There was a bit of a bidding war that drove up the price. I'm sure West Ham had bid about £8m at one point. At the time it looked to me like we were desperate to make a big signing, any big signing, to show that we still had some clout. Hogan never looked a Bruce type player. He was just a statement signing; unfortunately that statement was 'we haven't got a fucking clue what we're doing.'
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: SoccerHQ on October 03, 2017, 10:33:00 PM
He'd just have been another Snodgrass if he'd moved to West Ham.

There's another club who just sign players for the sake of it.

Bilic signed Snodgrass and then asked him just before he came on for his debut where he played.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Risso on October 03, 2017, 10:47:34 PM
I'm not so sure about him being a panic buy. There's not much evidence of that really to be honest. I think he's a very good player as well. It's just not happened for him here yet unfortunately.

1 league goal in twenty odd appearances is a pathetic return, whatever the mitigating circumstances.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Clampy on October 04, 2017, 06:46:20 AM
I'm not so sure about him being a panic buy. There's not much evidence of that really to be honest. I think he's a very good player as well. It's just not happened for him here yet unfortunately.

1 league goal in twenty odd appearances is a pathetic return, whatever the mitigating circumstances.

It's not been a good return no, but it still doesn't mean it was a panic buy.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: brian green on October 04, 2017, 07:53:24 AM
We keep coming back inevitably to the plain truth that in football, time is a luxury you can't afford.  While you are fart arsing around trying to structure a team to bring out the best in an individual player the season's games are being ticked off.  The real cost of a player is not only what we paid for him in purchase price and wages but what he costs us by being unable to do what we paid for. 
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Mister E on October 04, 2017, 08:29:33 AM
Like Gestede and Sherwood, I suspect someone had decided that Hogan was the answer and went out and bought him for whatever they could; in this case, a whopping £12m.
Problem is: what was the question they were providing an answer for?
 - Kodjia, IMO, is not a target man, so Hogan would always struggle to work off him
 - Villa did not / does not have a MF general, able to thread the ball through to Hogan through the channels
 - the current set-up does not move the ball quikcly, pullling defences out of position, creating space for Hogan to run into

Like several before him, Hogan is a misfit in the current set-up.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: eamonn on October 04, 2017, 08:52:33 AM
I'm not so sure about him being a panic buy. There's not much evidence of that really to be honest. I think he's a very good player as well. It's just not happened for him here yet unfortunately.

1 league goal in twenty odd appearances is a pathetic return, whatever the mitigating circumstances.

It's not been a good return no, but it still doesn't mean it was a panic buy.

How do you think Bruce intended to utilise him?
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Drummond on October 04, 2017, 11:09:44 AM
Like Gestede and Sherwood, I suspect someone had decided that Hogan was the answer and went out and bought him for whatever they could; in this case, a whopping £12m.
Problem is: what was the question they were providing an answer for?
 - Kodjia, IMO, is not a target man, so Hogan would always struggle to work off him
 - Villa did not / does not have a MF general, able to thread the ball through to Hogan through the channels
 - the current set-up does not move the ball quikcly, pullling defences out of position, creating space for Hogan to run into

Like several before him, Hogan is a misfit in the current set-up.

I do think we're forgetting that Grealish is still out. With him in the side (and if earlier comments by the manager are true) and the central force of our attacking play, he's intelligent enough to play Hogan through.

I do think that Hogan will come good, I also think that Kodjia will start scoring from free play again soon too. When that all clicks we'll be more than ok, especially with the goals coming from midfield right now.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: tomd2103 on October 04, 2017, 11:21:34 AM
Like Gestede and Sherwood, I suspect someone had decided that Hogan was the answer and went out and bought him for whatever they could; in this case, a whopping £12m.
Problem is: what was the question they were providing an answer for?
 - Kodjia, IMO, is not a target man, so Hogan would always struggle to work off him
 - Villa did not / does not have a MF general, able to thread the ball through to Hogan through the channels
 - the current set-up does not move the ball quikcly, pullling defences out of position, creating space for Hogan to run into

Like several before him, Hogan is a misfit in the current set-up.

Have to agree with that.  We play an awful lot of long passes up to the front players, so having someone up there who is mobile, can challenge and hold the ball up is a must.  We definitely need another player like that in the squad, as it will be tough for Davis to lead the line all season. 
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: old man villa fan on October 04, 2017, 11:33:49 AM
We definitely paid way more than market rate

and as he's not one for the future, you would have to say he was a panic buy, especially as funds were limited.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Clampy on October 04, 2017, 01:03:12 PM
I'm not so sure about him being a panic buy. There's not much evidence of that really to be honest. I think he's a very good player as well. It's just not happened for him here yet unfortunately.

1 league goal in twenty odd appearances is a pathetic return, whatever the mitigating circumstances.

It's not been a good return no, but it still doesn't mean it was a panic buy.

How do you think Bruce intended to utilise him?

I don't know but I still don't think it was a buy out of desperation. I do like him coming off the bench though and if he wasn't here, our other striker would just be Gabby.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: brontebilly on October 04, 2017, 03:59:07 PM
I'm not so sure about him being a panic buy. There's not much evidence of that really to be honest. I think he's a very good player as well. It's just not happened for him here yet unfortunately.

1 league goal in twenty odd appearances is a pathetic return, whatever the mitigating circumstances.

It's not been a good return no, but it still doesn't mean it was a panic buy.

How do you think Bruce intended to utilise him?

I don't know but I still don't think it was a buy out of desperation. I do like him coming off the bench though and if he wasn't here, our other striker would just be Gabby.

To be honest Gabby has offered a lot more (1 goal, 1 assist) than Hogan this season even in his fleeting appearances. Hogan seems the classic misfit.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Ad@m on October 04, 2017, 05:52:23 PM
Misfit, yes.  Talentless, no.

He's not the complete striker by any stretch of the imagination but he has two real strengths, vision and a burst of pace to find space in behind defences and a talent for knowing where the goal is.

The first of these is almost completely useless the way Bruce has us set up.  He needs Davis alongside him and creative midfielders behind him.

The second of these we'll only see the benefit of if he's given a run of games.  He's clearly rusty when he comes on because he hardly ever plays but then you can't justify playing him if he's not scoring goals because he does nothing else.

I think flogging him before his value drops too much more would be best for everyone.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Matt Collins on October 04, 2017, 09:14:04 PM
We overpaid for him and his market value has dipped

I'd be surprised if anyone would pay £5-6m+ for him at the moment so we may as well keep him and see if he can regain some form
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: tomd2103 on October 05, 2017, 08:41:01 AM
Misfit, yes.  Talentless, no.

He's not the complete striker by any stretch of the imagination but he has two real strengths, vision and a burst of pace to find space in behind defences and a talent for knowing where the goal is.

The first of these is almost completely useless the way Bruce has us set up.  He needs Davis alongside him and creative midfielders behind him.

The second of these we'll only see the benefit of if he's given a run of games.  He's clearly rusty when he comes on because he hardly ever plays but then you can't justify playing him if he's not scoring goals because he does nothing else.

I think flogging him before his value drops too much more would be best for everyone.

Agree with pretty much all of that Adam, but I'm not sure he has that real burst of pace that you mention.  I too would like to see him partnered with Davis as well, as it is abundantly clear that he can't really play up front on his own.  From the brief snippets I've seen of them playing together, he seems to have a decent understanding with O'Hare and might be suited to playing with Grealish as well. 
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on October 05, 2017, 08:57:02 AM
I keep the faith with him. Still reckon he will come good.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Risso on October 05, 2017, 10:56:54 AM
How is he going to come good?  He had his chance in the team when Kodjia was out for ages, and didn't take it.  Now either Bruce doesn't know what to do with him, or Hogan isn't very good and was massively over-priced.  Either way, Kodjia and Davis are playing well, and god forbid one of them gets an injury, how is Hogan going to come good?  Brentford apparently based their whole way of playing around him, and Bruce just isn't going to do that, or doesn't know how.  A baffling signing.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: aj2k77 on October 05, 2017, 11:50:47 AM
I'd sell him in the summer and recoup whatever money we can on him. Every year will see his value drop less and less. He won't be forcing himself in to the side any time soon, how could he? What does he bring to the table that we need?
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Drummond on October 05, 2017, 12:48:58 PM
How is he going to come good?  He had his chance in the team when Kodjia was out for ages, and didn't take it.  Now either Bruce doesn't know what to do with him, or Hogan isn't very good and was massively over-priced.  Either way, Kodjia and Davis are playing well, and god forbid one of them gets an injury, how is Hogan going to come good?  Brentford apparently based their whole way of playing around him, and Bruce just isn't going to do that, or doesn't know how.  A baffling signing.

Back when Grealish had his injury, Bruce commented that he wanted to focus our attacking play through him. If that's the case, Hogan almost certainly would have benefited and, therefore, may well do when Grealish returns.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Clampy on October 05, 2017, 01:01:33 PM
I'd stick with the guy as well. He'll play his part at some point this season.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Ad@m on October 05, 2017, 01:11:06 PM
Agree with pretty much all of that Adam, but I'm not sure he has that real burst of pace that you mention.

I'm not talking Gabby-style fast, but he has enough over 10 yards to get away from that last defender and give himself enough room for an unchallenged shot.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Risso on October 05, 2017, 01:27:19 PM
How is he going to come good?  He had his chance in the team when Kodjia was out for ages, and didn't take it.  Now either Bruce doesn't know what to do with him, or Hogan isn't very good and was massively over-priced.  Either way, Kodjia and Davis are playing well, and god forbid one of them gets an injury, how is Hogan going to come good?  Brentford apparently based their whole way of playing around him, and Bruce just isn't going to do that, or doesn't know how.  A baffling signing.

Back when Grealish had his injury, Bruce commented that he wanted to focus our attacking play through him. If that's the case, Hogan almost certainly would have benefited and, therefore, may well do when Grealish returns.

At best, Grealish has been inconsistent, and most of the time he's been disappointing or injured.  Another example of a player being out of the team getting much better.  Considering we bought the player with the most assists at the time in Hourihane, how come he's not able to slot balls through to Hogan, but Grealish will suddenly start?  How many assists has Grealish got in his time with us?
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: tomd2103 on October 05, 2017, 02:38:28 PM
I'd sell him in the summer and recoup whatever money we can on him. Every year will see his value drop less and less. He won't be forcing himself in to the side any time soon, how could he? What does he bring to the table that we need?

I think we might have to consider it in January to be honest, maybe as part of a swap for another striker.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on October 05, 2017, 03:25:17 PM
Back when Grealish had his injury, Bruce commented that he wanted to focus our attacking play through him. If that's the case, Hogan almost certainly would have benefited and, therefore, may well do when Grealish returns.

Grealish has been terrible ever since Sherwood left, hard to see how he would make any of our strikers lift their game.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Brend'Watkins on October 05, 2017, 04:10:44 PM
Back when Grealish had his injury, Bruce commented that he wanted to focus our attacking play through him. If that's the case, Hogan almost certainly would have benefited and, therefore, may well do when Grealish returns.

Grealish has been terrible ever since Sherwood left, hard to see how he would make any of our strikers lift their game.

I think he'd work well with Davis in the same way he did with Benteke.  In fact, I think he'd offer more supply to our forwards than any of the current midfield.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Mister E on October 05, 2017, 05:02:10 PM
At best, Grealish has been inconsistent, and most of the time he's been disappointing or injured.  Another example of a player being out of the team getting much better.  Considering we bought the player with the most assists at the time in Hourihane, how come he's not able to slot balls through to Hogan, but Grealish will suddenly start?  How many assists has Grealish got in his time with us?
Your assessment is depressingly accurate about all the players mentioned!
Damn you for being so bubble-burstingly objective!
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Ad@m on October 05, 2017, 05:26:34 PM
Back when Grealish had his injury, Bruce commented that he wanted to focus our attacking play through him. If that's the case, Hogan almost certainly would have benefited and, therefore, may well do when Grealish returns.

Grealish has been terrible ever since Sherwood left, hard to see how he would make any of our strikers lift their game.

I think he'd work well with Davis in the same way he did with Benteke.  In fact, I think he'd offer more supply to our forwards than any of the current midfield.

I don't see anything in Grealish that says he's better than Hourihane.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: LeeB on October 05, 2017, 10:23:00 PM
Back when Grealish had his injury, Bruce commented that he wanted to focus our attacking play through him. If that's the case, Hogan almost certainly would have benefited and, therefore, may well do when Grealish returns.

Grealish has been terrible ever since Sherwood left, hard to see how he would make any of our strikers lift their game.

I think he'd work well with Davis in the same way he did with Benteke.  In fact, I think he'd offer more supply to our forwards than any of the current midfield.

I agree. Him actually coming in to play in a confident and competent team, as opposed to a shambles might help him somewhat too.

He's the catalyst, the fluid that makes a good team great. If he gets going he's the best player in this division by a country mile.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Risso on October 05, 2017, 10:30:12 PM
The trouble with Grealish is that I think he practically HAS to play in a 4-3-3 and that just doesnít seem to suit us.  Heís a very talented lad, but when heís not on his game we might as well start with 10 men.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: LeeB on October 05, 2017, 10:39:34 PM
The trouble with Grealish is that I think he practically HAS to play in a 4-3-3 and that just doesnít seem to suit us.  Heís a very talented lad, but when heís not on his game we might as well start with 10 men.

I don't think he'd struggle on either flank in the current set up, but you're right in that he's much better in that formation, behind the centre forward.

I do think though having Davis to play off would could be a big plus for him. His runs would be found and vice versa.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: tomd2103 on October 06, 2017, 12:52:26 AM
Back when Grealish had his injury, Bruce commented that he wanted to focus our attacking play through him. If that's the case, Hogan almost certainly would have benefited and, therefore, may well do when Grealish returns.

Grealish has been terrible ever since Sherwood left, hard to see how he would make any of our strikers lift their game.

I think he'd work well with Davis in the same way he did with Benteke.  In fact, I think he'd offer more supply to our forwards than any of the current midfield.

I don't see anything in Grealish that says he's better than Hourihane.

Not really like-for-like those two though.  Grealish would play in a bit more of an advanced position than Hourihane. 
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: eamonn on October 06, 2017, 01:03:23 AM
Hourihane does not have the same type of ability as Grealish to take players on and look to play strikers in.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on October 06, 2017, 02:07:13 AM
MON on Hogan

Relevant bit "He has the ability in the box to forge a chance for himself and score,Ē said O'Neill. ďI think that he can improve greatly on his hold-up play outside the penalty area and I have said that to him. But I definitely think that he is a goalscorer,Ē he added."

http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2017/10/05/martin-oneill-shares-the-honest-message-he-has-given-to-aston-vi/


Whatever one thinks of MON I think this is pretty spot on where Hogan should improve.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Ad@m on October 06, 2017, 06:07:50 AM
Back when Grealish had his injury, Bruce commented that he wanted to focus our attacking play through him. If that's the case, Hogan almost certainly would have benefited and, therefore, may well do when Grealish returns.

Grealish has been terrible ever since Sherwood left, hard to see how he would make any of our strikers lift their game.

I think he'd work well with Davis in the same way he did with Benteke.  In fact, I think he'd offer more supply to our forwards than any of the current midfield.

I don't see anything in Grealish that says he's better than Hourihane.

Not really like-for-like those two though.  Grealish would play in a bit more of an advanced position than Hourihane. 

Why though? Last time we played Hourihane in an advanced position he scored a hat trick. Grealish has never looked close to being that prolific in front of goal.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: passitsideways on October 06, 2017, 07:22:42 AM
Back when Grealish had his injury, Bruce commented that he wanted to focus our attacking play through him. If that's the case, Hogan almost certainly would have benefited and, therefore, may well do when Grealish returns.

Grealish has been terrible ever since Sherwood left, hard to see how he would make any of our strikers lift their game.

I think he'd work well with Davis in the same way he did with Benteke.  In fact, I think he'd offer more supply to our forwards than any of the current midfield.

I don't see anything in Grealish that says he's better than Hourihane.

Not really like-for-like those two though.  Grealish would play in a bit more of an advanced position than Hourihane. 

Why though? Last time we played Hourihane in an advanced position he scored a hat trick. Grealish has never looked close to being that prolific in front of goal.

You're right about the second point, but I don't think Hourihane played particularly far forward in that game, at least in terms of his starting positions - he just had some freedom to make runs from deep, whereas before that, he had generally come off as being apprehensive about advancing past the halfway line, whether due to himself or due to tactical instruction.

Comparatively, Jack's always looked comfortable starting well up the pitch, but then dropping back and looking to receive the ball around the edge of the box. That being said, I don't think we need to shoehorn him in so long as the team's performing well, but he's the ideal candidate to get on the end of some of Terry's more progressive passes - and Hourihane's as well, but, again, it doesn't seem like we're set up for the two midfielders to do anything other than playing tidy sideways and backward passes.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: tomd2103 on October 06, 2017, 08:07:06 AM
Back when Grealish had his injury, Bruce commented that he wanted to focus our attacking play through him. If that's the case, Hogan almost certainly would have benefited and, therefore, may well do when Grealish returns.

Grealish has been terrible ever since Sherwood left, hard to see how he would make any of our strikers lift their game.

I think he'd work well with Davis in the same way he did with Benteke.  In fact, I think he'd offer more supply to our forwards than any of the current midfield.

I don't see anything in Grealish that says he's better than Hourihane.

Not really like-for-like those two though.  Grealish would play in a bit more of an advanced position than Hourihane. 

Why though? Last time we played Hourihane in an advanced position he scored a hat trick. Grealish has never looked close to being that prolific in front of goal.

Hourihane played in a three man midfield that game and as mentioned above, was given licence to push on from there.  I don't think you could play Grealish in a three man midfield really.  If we are going to play a 'number 10' type of player then I would like to see O'Hare given a chance.  From what I have seen of him, I think kid has definitely got something about him and puts himself about.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: brian green on October 06, 2017, 08:23:31 AM
The best I have seen Grealish play for two seasons was the second half against Brighton at home last season behind Davis.  Grealish is at his best in broken play and at his least effective against the parked bus.  Davis mixes it with the opposition defenders, knocking them our of their standard clearance routines.  Grealish can make a defensive stumble or a miskick into an attack.  For me he is the antidote to the Westwood crossfield compulsion.  Be good to see him back in a team with Davis in it.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Rigadon on October 06, 2017, 10:13:06 AM
Oh Brian, just the mention of Westwood is a footballing black cloud!!  I agree on Grealish too.  I want to see him play in this 'new' team as he has definitely has more than enough ability.  As to who to drop, that is tricky given the sides results lately.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Chris Smith on October 06, 2017, 11:47:41 AM
MON on Hogan

Relevant bit "He has the ability in the box to forge a chance for himself and score,Ē said O'Neill. ďI think that he can improve greatly on his hold-up play outside the penalty area and I have said that to him. But I definitely think that he is a goalscorer,Ē he added."

http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2017/10/05/martin-oneill-shares-the-honest-message-he-has-given-to-aston-vi/


Whatever one thinks of MON I think this is pretty spot on where Hogan should improve.

Agreed. Hogan needs more strings to his bow. Good managers will quickly identify his strengths and weaknesses and set up accordingly. I like him as a player but at the moment he offers most to the team as a sub. Adding other aspects to his play should not be beyond him, it's just a question of working hard on them as he already has the fundamentals.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: ChicagoLion on October 06, 2017, 12:50:40 PM
I donít think he offers much as a sub either.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Clampy on October 06, 2017, 01:03:16 PM
I think him and Onomah are two good subs to bring on. They've both got a lot of energy.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Drummond on October 06, 2017, 02:53:03 PM
If you were to take off a wide man and Kodjia and leave Davis up top with Hogan, and Grealish in behind, you'd have the makings of a very potent threat. Formation wise we'd go from 4-4-2 to 4-3-1-2.Those three would play together as a unit whereas with Kodjia you get a one man band, albeit a very good one!!

It would give us options.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Risso on October 06, 2017, 03:05:40 PM
If you were to take off a wide man and Kodjia and leave Davis up top with Hogan, and Grealish in behind, you'd have the makings of a very potent threat. Formation wise we'd go from 4-4-2 to 4-3-1-2.Those three would play together as a unit whereas with Kodjia you get a one man band, albeit a very good one!!

It would give us options.

It would, it just looks a lot riskier than the current set up, and would require us to leave out Kodjia, and one of Adomah or Snodgrass, our three best current players in an attacking sense.  I'm really not sure that Bruce is the manager to get Grealish and Hogan firing in that formation.

I'd rather see something like if we need alternatives:

Davis
Grealish Kodjia
Hourihane Whelan Snodgrass
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Drummond on October 06, 2017, 03:32:37 PM
If you were to take off a wide man and Kodjia and leave Davis up top with Hogan, and Grealish in behind, you'd have the makings of a very potent threat. Formation wise we'd go from 4-4-2 to 4-3-1-2.Those three would play together as a unit whereas with Kodjia you get a one man band, albeit a very good one!!

It would give us options.

It would, it just looks a lot riskier than the current set up, and would require us to leave out Kodjia, and one of Adomah or Snodgrass, our three best current players in an attacking sense.  I'm really not sure that Bruce is the manager to get Grealish and Hogan firing in that formation.

I'd rather see something like if we need alternatives:

Davis
Grealish Kodjia
Hourihane Whelan Snodgrass

That's another one, yes. Though given this thread is about Hogan, I thought I'd include him!

I know my proposal was riskier than our current set-up, but I guess that was the point really, it shifts emphasis to attack and creativity and would make our opponents have to think and change too. We've a solid foundation already and the players could cope I think.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Ad@m on October 06, 2017, 04:57:56 PM
If you were to take off a wide man and Kodjia and leave Davis up top with Hogan, and Grealish in behind, you'd have the makings of a very potent threat. Formation wise we'd go from 4-4-2 to 4-3-1-2.Those three would play together as a unit whereas with Kodjia you get a one man band, albeit a very good one!!

It would give us options.

It would, it just looks a lot riskier than the current set up, and would require us to leave out Kodjia, and one of Adomah or Snodgrass, our three best current players in an attacking sense.  I'm really not sure that Bruce is the manager to get Grealish and Hogan firing in that formation.

I'd rather see something like if we need alternatives:

Davis
Grealish Kodjia
Hourihane Whelan Snodgrass

The trouble with both those ideas is it simultaneously requires our full backs to support the attack by providing width (or we end up struggling to break down teams who're playing for the draw as we're too narrow) and leaves us horribly exposed when the opposition has the ball (as seen against Forest when Snodgrass couldn't be arsed to defend all second half and their full back spent the whole half doubling up on Elmohamady).
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: chrisw1 on October 06, 2017, 05:06:53 PM
If you were to take off a wide man and Kodjia and leave Davis up top with Hogan, and Grealish in behind, you'd have the makings of a very potent threat. Formation wise we'd go from 4-4-2 to 4-3-1-2.Those three would play together as a unit whereas with Kodjia you get a one man band, albeit a very good one!!

It would give us options.

It would, it just looks a lot riskier than the current set up, and would require us to leave out Kodjia, and one of Adomah or Snodgrass, our three best current players in an attacking sense.  I'm really not sure that Bruce is the manager to get Grealish and Hogan firing in that formation.

I'd rather see something like if we need alternatives:

Davis
Grealish Kodjia
Hourihane Whelan Snodgrass

The trouble with both those ideas is it simultaneously requires our full backs to support the attack by providing width (or we end up struggling to break down teams who're playing for the draw as we're too narrow) and leaves us horribly exposed when the opposition has the ball (as seen against Forest when Snodgrass couldn't be arsed to defend all second half and their full back spent the whole half doubling up on Elmohamady).
I don't disagree, but just in terms of Snodgrass bear in mind he had hardly played any football this season up to that point and was probably knackered.  I think he's a pretty hardworking player normally.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Ad@m on October 06, 2017, 05:21:45 PM
If you were to take off a wide man and Kodjia and leave Davis up top with Hogan, and Grealish in behind, you'd have the makings of a very potent threat. Formation wise we'd go from 4-4-2 to 4-3-1-2.Those three would play together as a unit whereas with Kodjia you get a one man band, albeit a very good one!!

It would give us options.

It would, it just looks a lot riskier than the current set up, and would require us to leave out Kodjia, and one of Adomah or Snodgrass, our three best current players in an attacking sense.  I'm really not sure that Bruce is the manager to get Grealish and Hogan firing in that formation.

I'd rather see something like if we need alternatives:

Davis
Grealish Kodjia
Hourihane Whelan Snodgrass

The trouble with both those ideas is it simultaneously requires our full backs to support the attack by providing width (or we end up struggling to break down teams who're playing for the draw as we're too narrow) and leaves us horribly exposed when the opposition has the ball (as seen against Forest when Snodgrass couldn't be arsed to defend all second half and their full back spent the whole half doubling up on Elmohamady).
I don't disagree, but just in terms of Snodgrass bear in mind he had hardly played any football this season up to that point and was probably knackered.  I think he's a pretty hardworking player normally.

Absolutely - he looked a different player against Bolton.

But it just demonstrated that without fit wingers in front of them our fullbacks struggle to cope.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: SoccerHQ on October 06, 2017, 06:31:47 PM
Grealish will be an impact sub when he comes back.

Up to him to win some points and maybe then he can get back into the starting 11.

Atm Adomah would be ahead as he has end product and think Snodgrass will be at that level very soon.

It's good we have options off the bench which we didn't really have last year as the bench players were out of form or just signings that didn't work (McCormack, Tishbola etc.)
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Risso on October 14, 2017, 07:52:02 PM
Did Hogan so much as touch the ball when he came on? Compare him to some of the similarly expensive Wolves signings, it would almost be funny if it wasnít so fucking embarrassing.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: ChicagoLion on October 14, 2017, 07:54:12 PM
Did Hogan so much as touch the ball when he came on? Compare him to some of the similarly expensive Wolves signings, it would almost be funny if it wasnít so fucking embarrassing.
And compare him to Ohare as well.

Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: aj2k77 on October 14, 2017, 08:00:23 PM
Sell him in January rather than let his value completely diminish. The way we play it's like throwing a fish on the pitch and watching it flail around for 15 minutes.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: A Northern Soul on October 14, 2017, 08:44:10 PM
Did Hogan so much as touch the ball when he came on? Compare him to some of the similarly expensive Wolves signings, it would almost be funny if it wasnít so fucking embarrassing.

Scott Hogan has a talent, primarily that is picking a decent ball up in the channels, using his pace and shooting on target. Our manager, the man who bought him, generally using him as a replacement for a big number 9 and not changing the system, is shameful and a waste
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: SoccerHQ on October 14, 2017, 08:47:46 PM
Wouldn't shock me if he hands in a transfer request.

I know he's on a huge amount but no way can he be enjoying his football as much as he was at Brentford.

Just cut our losses, he dosen't fit into our style.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: aj2k77 on October 14, 2017, 08:52:55 PM
Well we don't actually have a style.

Davis gets in the team because he's big and Kodjia gets in the side because he can magic something out of nothing. There's no actual link up between midfield and attack most of the time.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on October 14, 2017, 09:32:46 PM
Wouldn't shock me if he hands in a transfer request.

I know he's on a huge amount but no way can he be enjoying his football as much as he was at Brentford.

Just cut our losses, he dosen't fit into our style.

Or change our style to be good...
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: brian green on October 14, 2017, 09:46:22 PM
Hogan use his pace?
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Risso on October 14, 2017, 10:27:42 PM
Hogan use his pace?

A bit like Gabby using his intelligence.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: paul_e on October 14, 2017, 11:01:36 PM
Hogan does have a good burst of pace over 10 yards but not the top end speed to chase things down over 30-40 yards.  That's why he was effective in a team that was playing short sharp passes around the box but looks lost for us either giving him the ball 30-40 yards from goal or firing it at his head from 40 yards away.

Whether that's enough for him to be worth what we paid or be worth building a team around is another matter but he does have something about him that can work, just not playing for us under Bruce.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: SoccerHQ on October 14, 2017, 11:59:51 PM
I honestly don't think Hogan's good enough for us to completely change our play to get him scoring goals. Certainly from what I've seen of him.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: paul_e on October 15, 2017, 12:11:01 AM
I honestly don't think Hogan's good enough for us to completely change our play to get him scoring goals. Certainly from what I've seen of him.

I agree, but that's a fair debate, whether he can play the role Bruce is using him in isn't worth discussing because he looks like someone we've grabbed out of the crowd right now.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 15, 2017, 12:13:27 AM
I think it's kind of hard to focus on Hogan. The team was set up horribly and I still think with the right tactics his movement would lead to a lot of goals.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: ChicagoLion on October 15, 2017, 05:15:18 AM
I honestly don't think Hogan's good enough for us to completely change our play to get him scoring goals. Certainly from what I've seen of him.


Yep
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: mr underhill on October 15, 2017, 05:23:45 AM
Scott Hogan is never, repeat never, going to make it at Aston Villa. And you can colour that anyway you like.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: passitsideways on October 15, 2017, 05:29:21 AM
I honestly don't think Hogan's good enough for us to completely change our play to get him scoring goals. Certainly from what I've seen of him.

The thing is though, it's not like an upheaval in the style of play would only benefit Hogan - I bet it would make plenty of others look better as well.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: brian green on October 15, 2017, 07:45:43 AM
That is predicated on Hogan actually delivering when you have built the team around him.  That he would do so is very much open to debate but while you are finding out whether he can or not the games of the season are ticking off and the grip of mid Championship permanence tightens.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Risso on October 15, 2017, 07:54:19 AM
The guy is just a grade A dud. I thought that when he came on yesterday that his name wasnít being mentioned much. So I checked on Whoscored, and in 30 minutes he managed four touches of the ball and two passes. Compare that to OíHare and Onomah who came on much later in the game.

Need to stop making excuses for a poor player. We wasted a huge amount of money on a rubbish, exceedingly limited player based on one good half season. Weíre never going to base a team around a tap in merchant like him with no other strings to his bow, so need to get rid in January.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: brian green on October 15, 2017, 07:59:16 AM
Quite.  When you pay the amount of money we paid for him and the wages we pay him you have to expect results quickly.  If you pay for a Jaguar you expect a Jaguar.  Not a Jaguar that won't start.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: mr underhill on October 15, 2017, 08:29:18 AM
that's because he has a de-cat exhaust.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: pbavfckuwait on October 15, 2017, 11:51:31 AM
Common sense would say, get something for him in January and say thanks but this is not now or ever gonna work for you at this club son, but when was the last time Villa acted within the realms of common sense regarding football players.
As I stated elsewhere, if I was the Doctor I would be well pissed off with having one of my large investments playing Aussie Rules and another one who has won the Argus competition to be a Villa player for a day.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: mr underhill on October 15, 2017, 12:14:09 PM
Dr T might as well have set fire to £25 million. both total shite, and Kodjia apart, we remain embarrassingly goal shy - and I'm not expecting Kodjia to replicate  his heroics of last season
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: ChicagoLion on October 15, 2017, 02:36:55 PM
At least Hogan ran around a bit, his little legs giving the impression he is running quickly.
Kodija did not turn up.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Des Little on October 15, 2017, 10:37:29 PM
I have to agree that we'll never see Hogan come good here. Get what we can for him and look for a better option.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Ads on October 15, 2017, 10:39:18 PM
We're the 6th highest scorers.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Des Little on October 15, 2017, 10:44:53 PM
We're the 6th highest scorers.

Which won't get us up
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Gareth on October 15, 2017, 11:02:51 PM
I make it that we have signed 3 strikers largely on the basis of the division scoring charts in the last 18 months - if we scouted Hogan then surely there was an idea on how he actually plays so I would certainly be asking questions of the person who signed him?  Sure Brentford never spent their time hammering it at his head....

Do wonder if the Bruce masterplan was to have a front four of;

      Snodgrass Grealish Kodjia
                        Hogan

At the start of season I canít think Davis was anything close to his first team.

For me Hogan has delivered very little thus far, very underwhelming but I think he is owed another proper chance before being wrote off.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Richard on October 15, 2017, 11:44:24 PM
Be nice if just occasionally he played up top with another forward.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Ads on October 16, 2017, 07:00:49 AM
We're the 6th highest scorers.

Which won't get us up

Why not? We've scored the same number of goals as the team who are second. Will it not get them up either?

There's been an emotional reaction to Saturday's result, but too many statements being made based on emotion.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Risso on October 16, 2017, 09:21:23 AM
We're the 6th highest scorers.

Which won't get us up

Why not? We've scored the same number of goals as the team who are second. Will it not get them up either?

There's been an emotional reaction to Saturday's result, but too many statements being made based on emotion.

Again, it comes back to the oft-discussed 4 wins on the bounce.  Absolutely no point in smashing the weaker teams 3 or 4 nil, if we're going to keep failing to score and ge played off the park against the promotion chasers.  We'd obviously be much better off if we'd only beaten Burton and Forest 1-0, but had done the same to Cardiff and Wolves.  We'd be top if we'd beaten both of them.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: chrisw1 on October 16, 2017, 09:32:16 AM
We're the 6th highest scorers.

Which won't get us up
It probably will if we have the best defence.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Risso on October 16, 2017, 09:38:37 AM
We're the 6th highest scorers.

Which won't get us up
It probably will if we have the best defence.

It's more important that we beat the other clubs in and around the top 6.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: David_Nab on October 16, 2017, 10:05:50 AM
We're the 6th highest scorers.

Which won't get us up
It probably will if we have the best defence.

It's more important that we beat the other clubs in and around the top 6.

Exactly ..especially considering at this point our best chance of going up looks like the play offs where we will have to beat top 6 sides
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: chrisw1 on October 16, 2017, 10:19:52 AM
We're the 6th highest scorers.

Which won't get us up
It probably will if we have the best defence.

It's more important that we beat the other clubs in and around the top 6.
I was just being pedantic.  If you have the 6th best scoring record in the league but let far fewer in than other teams there's a strong chance you'd be in the mix for promotion.  I'm not advocating this policy though!
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: ChicagoLion on October 17, 2017, 03:13:10 PM
How many top six teams did we beat last season?
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Drummond on October 17, 2017, 03:36:05 PM
How many top six teams did we beat last season?

I don't know, how many?
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: TheMalandro on October 17, 2017, 03:39:12 PM
How many top six teams did we beat last season?

I don't know, how many?

I'd love to help Drummond, I have no idea.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Exeter 77 on October 17, 2017, 04:06:07 PM
1 - Reading away.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: cdbullyweefan on October 17, 2017, 04:20:27 PM
Three - Fulham and Wednesday at home, Reading away.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: eamonn on October 17, 2017, 04:21:16 PM
If we could double that and get three draws we'd be well set.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: ChicagoLion on October 17, 2017, 05:53:16 PM
So thatís 3 out of 15 games?
And there is no discernible trend to be worried about?
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Exeter 77 on October 17, 2017, 07:19:58 PM
Three - Fulham and Wednesday at home, Reading away.
So memorable was last season I'd forgotten that a) Fulham and Wednesday finished in the top 6 and b) we'd beaten them both!
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Drummond on October 18, 2017, 05:58:41 PM
So thatís 3 out of 15 games?
And there is no discernible trend to be worried about?

15 games? If we play each team twice and there were 7.5 teams in the top 6 maybe.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: ChicagoLion on October 18, 2017, 08:26:29 PM
So thatís 3 out of 15 games?
And there is no discernible trend to be worried about?

15 games? If we play each team twice and there were 7.5 teams in the top 6 maybe.
So top 6 X2 = 12 + 3 this season = 15

Jesus.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Drummond on October 18, 2017, 08:56:12 PM
How many top six teams did we beat last season?

Make the rules up as you go along then...
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: dcdavecollett on October 22, 2017, 01:30:11 PM
Interesting discussion.

Fulham were a top six side last season. They played well enough yesterday to convince me that they will be there again this time. We beat them, but it doesn't 'count' as they are not top six -yet!

Figure that out!
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: ChicagoLion on October 22, 2017, 03:46:14 PM
Interesting discussion.

Fulham were a top six side last season. They played well enough yesterday to convince me that they will be there again this time. We beat them, but it doesn't 'count' as they are not top six -yet!

Figure that out!

Yes I know itís pretty difficult to keep up without a time machine.
If Fulham had won and got into the top 6 then obviously that would have counted as another loss to a top 6 team. :-X
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: aj2k77 on October 22, 2017, 04:01:22 PM
Bottom line is Fulham are decent, very decent away, we beat them, fair and square, looked the better team and that can only be a good sign.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: mr underhill on October 23, 2017, 09:12:54 AM
amazed Norwich have gatecrashed the top six - they really did look shite against us.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on October 23, 2017, 09:54:03 AM
So that's another top six side that we've beaten then ;-)
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Richard on October 23, 2017, 01:07:03 PM
Its so close in the top 10 I can see a fair bit of moving up and down for a while yet
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Matt Collins on October 23, 2017, 09:45:10 PM
amazed Norwich have gatecrashed the top six - they really did look shite against us.

Agreed. Leeds lost three on the spin away and then won 3-0 at Bristol city

It's that kind of league for the most part

Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Ian J on October 23, 2017, 09:51:13 PM
Weíre doing well, so far so good. Slow start but I canít complain about the last month or so. Wolves aside who are a different class in this league weíre up there on merit and weíll stay up there.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: SoccerHQ on October 23, 2017, 10:20:57 PM
amazed Norwich have gatecrashed the top six - they really did look shite against us.

They were awful at the start of the season, either side of losing to us (when we were pretty poor) they also lost 4-0 at Millwall and 3-1 at home to Sunderland somehow.

Looks like one of those teams that are improving as the season goes on, they certainly have the players for it.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Risso on October 23, 2017, 11:07:10 PM
Poor old Hogan, he's even completely anonymous on his own thread!
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Ian J on October 23, 2017, 11:09:37 PM
Poor old Hogan, he's even completely anonymous on his own thread!
Ha ha, poor bloody sod!
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Risso on October 29, 2017, 05:18:11 PM
Poor old Hogan, he's even completely anonymous on his own thread!
Ha ha, poor bloody sod!

I wasnít sure he touched the ball when he came on today, but he did. 4 times. Same number of times as his last appearance. 
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: aj2k77 on October 29, 2017, 05:25:32 PM
Strange choice of a stick to beat him with that he didn't do anything in the few minutes he came on and played out of position today. He does however look completely unsuited to our ''style''. Terrible signing by Bruce, needs to be moved on for our finances and him.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Risso on October 29, 2017, 07:03:26 PM
Strange choice of a stick to beat him with that he didn't do anything in the few minutes he came on and played out of position today. He does however look completely unsuited to our ''style''. Terrible signing by Bruce, needs to be moved on for our finances and him.

In his last 45 minutes of football heís touched the ball 8 times. The least we should expect from a £12m striker in the Championship is that he gives us a chance of scoring a winner.  One of the worst, most limited players Iíve ever seen.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 29, 2017, 08:07:41 PM
Poor old Hogan, he's even completely anonymous on his own thread!

Weíve managed not just to make £27m disappear, but with it the assets acquired. One literally dumped as far away as possible in Australia, and the other has been handed one of those magic disappearing cloaks from Lord of The Rings.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: aj2k77 on October 29, 2017, 08:09:28 PM
He isn't and wasn't worth £12m. We had our pants pulled down, that wasn't his fault. He's had what? 30-40 Championship games before he joined us? It didn't take a genius to work out that planting long balls at him wouldn't really work or asking him to hold the ball up. He's not a unit, but he is a good finisher with good movement who is now totally out of form and confidence after being poorly used by us.

A shining example of our shit transfer policy.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: ChicagoLion on October 29, 2017, 08:43:08 PM
The won the Argus Villa player for a day competition comment still makes me chuckle.
Bruce chucking him on to play left wing was bizarre.
Not his fault but he is completely out of his depth.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on October 29, 2017, 09:38:27 PM
I keep hoping he will improve. Looked shite again today.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: QuintonVilla on October 29, 2017, 09:50:04 PM
I agree that in general he looks crap but he doesn't come on in the best of circumstances a lot of the time. 2-0 at Wolves when we hadn't had a shot all game, he wasn't going to do much. Today having to try and get up to the pace of a derby and again when we hadn't created too much. He isn't suited to our style of play which begs the question as to why we signed him. Bruce saw a bloke who had scored a few goals at this level and signed him without realising he wouldn't fit in to his shit style of football.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: olaftab on October 29, 2017, 10:04:01 PM
I keep hoping he will improve. Looked shite again today.
Itís not a case of Hogan improving more a system we need to play to suit him. As a footballer simply he is not good at anything. Canít head, canít control and canít hold on to the ball and bring other players into the game. He was a goal scorer in a team that played to his strength so unless we can do that I suggest we sell him.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: tomd2103 on October 29, 2017, 10:04:27 PM
I keep hoping he will improve. Looked shite again today.

To be fair to him, he was stuck out on the left wing and out of our attacking options is probably the one least suited to playing there.  Shows how highly Bjarnason is now thought of when a hideously out of position Hogan is brought on ahead of him. 
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: sickbeggar on October 29, 2017, 10:07:05 PM
well we overpaid but so has everyone recently. Just look at his goals for brentford and that tells you all you need to know. Passed to him on the floor, headers from good crossing. taps-in from sustained attacking pressure. Long HOOFS-UP for him to win and score from conspicuous in their absence. I think Bruce was drunk when he bought him.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: QuintonVilla on October 29, 2017, 10:07:38 PM
I keep hoping he will improve. Looked shite again today.

To be fair to him, he was stuck out on the left wing and is probably one of the least suited to playing there out of attacking options.  Shows how highly Bjarnason is now thought of when a hideously out of position Hogan I'd brought on ahead of him.
Even Bjarnason's Mom doesn't think highly of him. Now he IS shit.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Ad@m on October 29, 2017, 10:10:51 PM
We knew what we were getting with Hogan when we signed him and not once since then have we played to his strengths. Criticising him for being crap as a left winger is farcical.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: pauliewalnuts on October 29, 2017, 10:11:31 PM
I keep hoping he will improve. Looked shite again today.

To be fair to him, he was stuck out on the left wing and is probably one of the least suited to playing there out of attacking options.  Shows how highly Bjarnason is now thought of when a hideously out of position Hogan I'd brought on ahead of him.
Even Bjarnason's Mom doesn't think highly of him. Now he IS shit.

I agree, he is properly shit.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Risso on October 29, 2017, 10:45:35 PM
We knew what we were getting with Hogan when we signed him and not once since then have we played to his strengths. Criticising him for being crap as a left winger is farcical.

He's appeared in 24 league games, and scored 1 league goal.  He's never going to have a team based around him like he had at Rochdale and Brentford, because he just isn't good enough to keep the likes of Davis and Kodjia out of the team, and his all round game is non-existent.  I agree that the way Steve Bruce sets the team up isn't going to suit him, but then players have to take some responsibility for their perfomances themselves.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Ad@m on October 29, 2017, 10:55:17 PM
The vast majority of his appearances have been 10 minutes at the end of the game, mostly up front on his own with the nearest teammate about 30 yards away. The way Bruce has us set up to play most the time Lionel Messi would look shite.

Signing him was undoubtedly a mistake and the club should just take the loss on the chin and move him on. I have no doubt though he could go somewhere else in the Championship and get 20 goals available season.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Risso on October 29, 2017, 11:15:33 PM
The vast majority of his appearances have been 10 minutes at the end of the game

That's not true, he averaged over an hour of playing time per game last season, and it's over half an hour a game this season.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Ad@m on October 29, 2017, 11:26:48 PM
The vast majority of his appearances have been 10 minutes at the end of the game

That's not true, he averaged over an hour of playing time per game last season, and it's over half an hour a game this season.

An average skewed by the fact he started the first three games of this season when we had no other strikers.

He hasn't started a game since mid-August and in all but one game coming off the bench he's had less than 30 mins and normally less than 20.

In any event I'm not sure what your point is. He's normally played in a system which he's completely unsuited to. He could be on the pitch all game and if he's just getting balls lumped up to him even Stevie Wonder could see he won't score.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: pbavfckuwait on October 30, 2017, 07:56:51 AM
That's it in a nutshell, not good enough to alter the other 9 outfield players to suit his game, start hawking him about now for someone to pay maybe 5 million max in January.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: wittonwarrior on October 30, 2017, 08:03:46 AM
Unfortunately Bruce doesnít have a scooby about hoganís role - sell him on for the best interests of the player and the club
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: JUAN PABLO on October 30, 2017, 08:54:30 AM
you cant play Hogan on the wing. He is a good sub to have If only you play him where he should be playing.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: ChicagoLion on October 30, 2017, 11:48:43 AM
you cant play Hogan on the wing. He is a good sub to have If only you play him where he should be playing.
Agree about not playing him on the wing, but he has shown nothing to suggest he is a good sub either.
Look at the impact Ohare had in 10 minutes against Wolves.
We have far better players than Hogan, Bruce keeps chucking him on to justify the ridiculous fee he paid for him.
Another Bruce fuck up.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: LukeJames on October 30, 2017, 11:55:40 AM
Not once have we played Hogan the way that he should be played, with a number 10. He's useless as a winger or as a target man, that is not his fault though, thats all on Bruce.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: ChicagoLion on October 30, 2017, 12:08:01 PM
Not once have we played Hogan the way that he should be played, with a number 10. He's useless as a winger or as a target man, that is not his fault though, thats all on Bruce.
I think we are all baffled by the Video, his goals were balls he came on to because he was put through or it broke for him.
So he is suited to a team that attacks more, the rest of his game is non existent though and he has no ability to hold the ball up which is a pretty fundamental requirement on a football pitch.
It stil begs the question why on earth did Bruce buy him?
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: JUAN PABLO on October 30, 2017, 12:21:16 PM
you cant play Hogan on the wing. He is a good sub to have If only you play him where he should be playing.
Agree about not playing him on the wing, but he has shown nothing to suggest he is a good sub either.
Look at the impact Ohare had in 10 minutes against Wolves.
We have far better players than Hogan, Bruce keeps chucking him on to justify the ridiculous fee he paid for him.
Another Bruce fuck up.

kind of agree Chicago but we only need to get an (bad) injury to JK or KD and does not leave us a lot of cover . Id be depressed if Gabby became the No 1 striker .
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: mr underhill on October 30, 2017, 12:27:10 PM
Kodjia is out for the Preston game so Hogan needs to step up
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: ChicagoLion on October 30, 2017, 12:27:14 PM
you cant play Hogan on the wing. He is a good sub to have If only you play him where he should be playing.
Agree about not playing him on the wing, but he has shown nothing to suggest he is a good sub either.
Look at the impact Ohare had in 10 minutes against Wolves.
We have far better players than Hogan, Bruce keeps chucking him on to justify the ridiculous fee he paid for him.
Another Bruce fuck up.

kind of agree Chicago but we only need to get an (bad) injury to JK or KD and does not leave us a lot of cover . Id be depressed if Gabby became the No 1 striker .
You are forgetting Samba ;)
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Meanwood Villa on October 30, 2017, 12:28:18 PM
I don't see why Hogan is seemingly blameless in his not being very good. If he is unable to adapt to different systems then he is not a very good footballer. He's a dud, a waste of money.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Ad@m on October 30, 2017, 12:29:51 PM
you cant play Hogan on the wing. He is a good sub to have If only you play him where he should be playing.
Agree about not playing him on the wing, but he has shown nothing to suggest he is a good sub either.
Look at the impact Ohare had in 10 minutes against Wolves.
We have far better players than Hogan, Bruce keeps chucking him on to justify the ridiculous fee he paid for him.
Another Bruce fuck up.

kind of agree Chicago but we only need to get an (bad) injury to JK or KD and does not leave us a lot of cover . Id be depressed if Gabby became the No 1 striker .

So would I but Bruce has already shown a complete unwillingness to play a style which suits Hogan so if we're just going to launch balls forward Gabby would actually cause the opposition more problems.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: LukeJames on October 30, 2017, 12:32:10 PM
I don't see why Hogan is seemingly blameless in his not being very good. If he is unable to adapt to different systems then he is not a very good footballer. He's a dud, a waste of money.
He was signed as a forward that primarily gets on the end of through balls. We do not play that style of football at all. If we wanted a forward that can play different roles then we should of signed one instead. It was poor use of our transfer funds.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Richard E on October 30, 2017, 12:34:09 PM
I don't see why Hogan is seemingly blameless in his not being very good. If he is unable to adapt to different systems then he is not a very good footballer. He's a dud, a waste of money.

Not being good wouldn't be his fault though, would it? It would just be a fact. If he wasn't trying or something then fair enough people are entitled to have a pop at him.

Personally I still think there is a decent striker in there if we play to a system that suits him. It is reasonable to expect players to be adaptable but that has to be within reason. There would be no point e.g. playing a long ball game with a five foot four striker or expecting Peter Crouch to play a dynamic running game.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Ad@m on October 30, 2017, 12:37:54 PM
I don't see why Hogan is seemingly blameless in his not being very good. If he is unable to adapt to different systems then he is not a very good footballer. He's a dud, a waste of money.

Not being good wouldn't be his fault though, would it? It would just be a fact. If he wasn't trying or something then fair enough people are entitled to have a pop at him.

Personally I still think there is a decent striker in there if we play to a system that suits him. It is reasonable to expect players to be adaptable but that has to be within reason. There would be no point e.g. playing a long ball game with a five foot four striker or expecting Peter Crouch to play a dynamic running game.

There's demonstrably a decent footballer there or he wouldn't have scored 21 goals in 33 matches for Brentford.

Saying Hogan's "not very good" is like saying a Bugatti Veyron's crap because it can't tow a caravan.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Risso on October 30, 2017, 12:38:30 PM
Kodjia is out for the Preston game so Hogan needs to step up

Would think he'll play Davis up top by himself with Albert and Snodgrass in a 5 man midfield pushing on and supporting.

Elmo Chester Terry Hutton
Snodgrass Jedinak Whelan Hourihane Albert
Davis
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: saunders_heroes on October 30, 2017, 12:40:21 PM
Yeah, Davis will start for the Preston game. We need to hold onto the ball more up front and Davis can provide that.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: brontebilly on October 30, 2017, 12:42:35 PM
Kodjia is out for the Preston game so Hogan needs to step up

Would think he'll play Davis up top by himself with Albert and Snodgrass in a 5 man midfield pushing on and supporting.

Elmo Chester Terry Hutton
Snodgrass Jedinak Whelan Hourihane Albert
Davis

Is Grealish available yet? Jedinak and Whelan in midfield won't be pretty, might be time to give Whelan a breather. Has a lot of games played. Didn't happen for Onomoah yesterday but Preston game might be just what he needs.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: tomd2103 on October 30, 2017, 12:47:22 PM
Kodjia is out for the Preston game so Hogan needs to step up

Would think he'll play Davis up top by himself with Albert and Snodgrass in a 5 man midfield pushing on and supporting.

Elmo Chester Terry Hutton
Snodgrass Jedinak Whelan Hourihane Albert
Davis

Is Grealish available yet? Jedinak and Whelan in midfield won't be pretty, might be time to give Whelan a breather. Has a lot of games played. Didn't happen for Onomoah yesterday but Preston game might be just what he needs.

I would go with that (jedinak holding with Onomah and Hourihane playing in front of him and pushing on) and it will be interesting to see if Taylor comes back in or if Hutton keeps his place. 
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: LukeJames on October 30, 2017, 12:50:23 PM
Huttons done well i  covering left back but Taylor balances the line up better. Having 3 out of 4 of our wide positions all wanting to cut inside is far from ideal.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Pat McMahon on October 30, 2017, 01:27:57 PM
I don't see why Hogan is seemingly blameless in his not being very good. If he is unable to adapt to different systems then he is not a very good footballer. He's a dud, a waste of money.
He was signed as a forward that primarily gets on the end of through balls. We do not play that style of football at all. If we wanted a forward that can play different roles then we should of signed one instead. It was poor use of our transfer funds.

I agree with you. As we don't play that style i cannot yet confirm that he is a complete dud - not like he is missing loads of chances. But i fear he won't make it with us.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: LeeB on October 30, 2017, 09:53:36 PM
I'm moving more from "it's just not happening for him" to " he's not good enough".

To be a quality player you've got to at least be able to adapt your skills somewhat. He can't seem to be effective in any system we play. If money is tight I'd offload as soon as possible and try and bring in someone that doesn't resemble a spirited Daschund fruitlessly chasing German Shepards.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: passitsideways on October 31, 2017, 04:20:23 AM
I'm moving more from "it's just not happening for him" to " he's not good enough".

To be a quality player you've got to at least be able to adapt your skills somewhat. He can't seem to be effective in any system we play. If money is tight I'd offload as soon as possible and try and bring in someone that doesn't resemble a spirited Daschund fruitlessly chasing German Shepards.

The use of "any" makes it sound like we're playing a number of noticeably stylistically-different systems though, when we really aren't. Fair enough with the rest of your post, but even the good performances have involved the centre forward basically being used as a lamp-post.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Chris Smith on October 31, 2017, 07:09:38 AM
I'm moving more from "it's just not happening for him" to " he's not good enough".

To be a quality player you've got to at least be able to adapt your skills somewhat. He can't seem to be effective in any system we play. If money is tight I'd offload as soon as possible and try and bring in someone that doesn't resemble a spirited Daschund fruitlessly chasing German Shepards.

The use of "any" makes it sound like we're playing a number of noticeably stylistically-different systems though, when we really aren't. Fair enough with the rest of your post, but even the good performances have involved the centre forward basically being used as a lamp-post.

Teams tend to sit deep against us, not allowing the space required to play to his perceived strengths. I expect that given a run of games he might, in time, find a way to adapt. We donít really have the time to risk it.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: exigo on October 31, 2017, 12:43:18 PM
Work colleague has one of the Brentford backroom staff as a flatmate. He reckons that Hogan is not at all happy at Villa Ė still living in London and commuting up, and very critical of the coaching work done each week. At Brentford, they'd have three distinct sessions that were set up to how the opposition were expected to play against them; at Villa, it's a bit more bibs and cones.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on October 31, 2017, 01:02:52 PM
Work colleague has one of the Brentford backroom staff as a flatmate. He reckons that Hogan is not at all happy at Villa Ė still living in London and commuting up, and very critical of the coaching work done each week. At Brentford, they'd have three distinct sessions that were set up to how the opposition were expected to play against them; at Villa, it's a bit more bibs and cones.

Do we set up for a draw against the bibs and cones too?
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: exiled on the wirral! on October 31, 2017, 01:04:31 PM
Work colleague has one of the Brentford backroom staff as a flatmate. He reckons that Hogan is not at all happy at Villa Ė still living in London and commuting up, and very critical of the coaching work done each week. At Brentford, they'd have three distinct sessions that were set up to how the opposition were expected to play against them; at Villa, it's a bit more bibs and cones.
Sounds brill...where are Brentford in the table again?
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Hookeysmith on October 31, 2017, 01:07:00 PM
Quote
very critical of the coaching work done each week. At Brentford, they'd have three distinct sessions that were set up to how the opposition were expected to play against them; at Villa, it's a bit more bibs and cones.

Is anyone  really surprised at this?

Outdated methods
Outdated tactics
Outdated Manager
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: olaftab on October 31, 2017, 01:14:40 PM
Work colleague has one of the Brentford backroom staff as a flatmate. He reckons that Hogan is not at all happy at Villa Ė still living in London and commuting up, and very critical of the coaching work done each week. At Brentford, they'd have three distinct sessions that were set up to how the opposition were expected to play against them; at Villa, it's a bit more bibs and cones.
I bet they still use bibs and cones.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: JUAN PABLO on October 31, 2017, 01:27:43 PM
Bibs dont suprise me . Bruce wouldnt want to get any of his kebab down his Villa top would he.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Brend'Watkins on October 31, 2017, 01:37:48 PM
Work colleague has one of the Brentford backroom staff as a flatmate. He reckons that Hogan is not at all happy at Villa Ė still living in London and commuting up, and very critical of the coaching work done each week. At Brentford, they'd have three distinct sessions that were set up to how the opposition were expected to play against them; at Villa, it's a bit more bibs and cones.
Sounds brill...where are Brentford in the table again?

Probably is brillí as they easily matched us this season again. And, I imagine if they opted for the bibs and cones method they could well be bottom.

No wonder they no longer allow the public easy access to training at BH any more as weíd no doubt be astounded as to outdated it really is.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: garyshawsknee on October 31, 2017, 02:00:11 PM
I feel sorry for Hogan. Not his fault the fee was high, not his fault he was bought with no idea how to get the best out of him. Why SB stuck him out on the left on Sunday still baffles me.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: placeforparks on October 31, 2017, 02:00:49 PM
Work colleague has one of the Brentford backroom staff as a flatmate. He reckons that Hogan is not at all happy at Villa Ė still living in London and commuting up, and very critical of the coaching work done each week. At Brentford, they'd have three distinct sessions that were set up to how the opposition were expected to play against them; at Villa, it's a bit more bibs and cones.
Sounds brill...where are Brentford in the table again?

they're 7 points below us.

villa's turnover 15/16 - £108m
brentford turnover 15/16 - £10.6m
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: avfcpg on October 31, 2017, 02:04:18 PM
I suspect he's not happy because he's not playing..and rightly so. Would love to see him get a run of games up top with Davis now Kodija is out. However, two up front may be a little too attacking for our manager...Think him and Davis could be decent together. He needs a run of games...
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Dave P on October 31, 2017, 02:33:13 PM
Work colleague has one of the Brentford backroom staff as a flatmate. He reckons that Hogan is not at all happy at Villa Ė still living in London and commuting up, and very critical of the coaching work done each week. At Brentford, they'd have three distinct sessions that were set up to how the opposition were expected to play against them; at Villa, it's a bit more bibs and cones.
Sounds brill...where are Brentford in the table again?

they're 7 points below us.

villa's turnover 15/16 - £108m
brentford turnover 15/16 - £10.6m

Bibs and cones ain't cheap!
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: mr underhill on October 31, 2017, 04:43:52 PM
he'll be gone in January, right up there with the £12m tossed into a camp fire for McCormack.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: oldham_villa on October 31, 2017, 08:21:37 PM
You only have to see how he doesn't interact with any of his team - there's something not right.

As suggested earlier, irrespective of the playing style not playing to SH's strength, he has shown little if anything of a level of desire to make something out of nothing.

Absolutely sick of us wasting money.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: mrfuse on October 31, 2017, 08:27:16 PM
Work colleague has one of the Brentford backroom staff as a flatmate. He reckons that Hogan is not at all happy at Villa Ė still living in London and commuting up, and very critical of the coaching work done each week. At Brentford, they'd have three distinct sessions that were set up to how the opposition were expected to play against them; at Villa, it's a bit more bibs and cones.

Do we set up for a draw against the bibs and cones too?

Hogan gets introduced late into the fray, but is unable to break down the cones.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: ktvillan on October 31, 2017, 10:33:32 PM
I don't have a problem with Hogan and I feel a bit sorry for him. I think he's not been given a proper chance as in a run of successive full games to prove himself (perhaps we can't really afford such a luxury, but it doesn't exactly demonstrate much faith in him from the man who paid umpteen million for him).   He's usually used as a late sub with very little time to get up to speed with the game or make an impact.  Most players would find that difficult but new strikers under pressure to get off the mark even more so.  He's playing in a "system" that doesn't generate much attacking will let alone chances and the whole approach is not suited to his strengths.  If we had someone like Hourihane or Lansbury or even Grealish doing a no 10 type role and threading through some clever through balls for him to run on to I think he'd get goals.   But we don't play that way and it seems Bruce has no intention of trying to. The only mystery to me is why Bruce bought him.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Gareth on October 31, 2017, 10:55:01 PM
Iíve always been convinced that before his injury the plan was to sell Kodjia in the summer and buy another forward to play alongside Hogan - at the time Davis hadnít had his Norwich game so was not really in the picture...at least I hope that was his plan else signing Hogan just comes across as spectacularly misjudged, coupled with the way he de-valued McCormack publicly outing his attitude itís fair to say he hasnít done great with our forwards :-) and their resale potential.

Personally hope Hogan gets 2 or 3 games up with Davis if Kodjia is out, seems foolhardy to judge him on 15 mins here, 15 mins there rather than from the start when we arenít just trying to close down games.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 01, 2017, 12:37:44 AM
Donít think I have seen a player that it is so easy to take the ball off.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Mister E on November 01, 2017, 07:08:47 AM
Donít think I have seen a player that it is so easy to take the ball off.

He's a finisher that doesn't seem to want much time on the ball; not a ball-player. I agree that now is the perfect time to play him, alongside Davis. If he does not step up, we should look to get rid in the January window.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: The Edge on November 01, 2017, 11:23:35 AM
Work colleague has one of the Brentford backroom staff as a flatmate. He reckons that Hogan is not at all happy at Villa Ė still living in London and commuting up, and very critical of the coaching work done each week. At Brentford, they'd have three distinct sessions that were set up to how the opposition were expected to play against them; at Villa, it's a bit more bibs and cones.
Sounds brill...where are Brentford in the table again?
Brentford have lost some of their best players this season including Hogan . Came to Villa Park a few weeks ago and and were easily the better side.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 01, 2017, 11:40:25 AM
Should be no where near the starting X1.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Ads on November 01, 2017, 11:42:20 AM
I think he would benefit from a 4231 with Grealish in close proximity and a couple of wide players. Its not how we will be setting tonight though.

I would mind seeing him in a 442, but I wonder if Jedinak/Whelan is going to limit Hourihane and on balance, I'd prefer Hourihane and Onomah supporting Davis with Snodders and Adomah to 442.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 01, 2017, 12:32:53 PM
Work colleague has one of the Brentford backroom staff as a flatmate. He reckons that Hogan is not at all happy at Villa Ė still living in London and commuting up, and very critical of the coaching work done each week. At Brentford, they'd have three distinct sessions that were set up to how the opposition were expected to play against them; at Villa, it's a bit more bibs and cones.

None of that shocks me given the little snippets we see from the training sessions on youtube and what we actually produce on the pitch most weeks.

I've been critical of Hogan a fair bit but for the good of his career he needs to move, maybe not in January but next summer. Deep down he knows this wasn't his best career move.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 01, 2017, 12:34:55 PM
Work colleague has one of the Brentford backroom staff as a flatmate. He reckons that Hogan is not at all happy at Villa Ė still living in London and commuting up, and very critical of the coaching work done each week. At Brentford, they'd have three distinct sessions that were set up to how the opposition were expected to play against them; at Villa, it's a bit more bibs and cones.
Sounds brill...where are Brentford in the table again?

Bit of an odd comment that. Considering their resources, 3-4 years of championship football is pretty good going from them. Anyone who sees them play will realise they're well coached and play decent football for what is a development/feeder club.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 01, 2017, 12:38:46 PM
I think he would benefit from a 4231 with Grealish in close proximity and a couple of wide players. Its not how we will be setting tonight though.

I would mind seeing him in a 442, but I wonder if Jedinak/Whelan is going to limit Hourihane and on balance, I'd prefer Hourihane and Onomah supporting Davis with Snodders and Adomah to 442.

Couple of times I've seen him play he's been next to useless at holding the ball up and also wants to avoid physical contact with defenders after his bad injuries so don't think he'd be effective in lone striker role at all.

I do think him and Davis could work with a run of games but would require us switching to 3-5-2 again and we always seem to have awful results playing that formation.

Kodjia hasn't been great so far this season but you know at some point he'll explode and have a great run of form of 9 goals in 10 games or something.

Hogan just dosen't give the indication he's even going to score another goal for us with his cameos.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Ad@m on November 01, 2017, 05:35:13 PM
I think Hogan could operate as a lone striker but only in a 4231 as Ads suggests or I think better in a 4141.  The key is getting the midfield close to him and playing through the midfield rather than launching long balls which are simply not going to work.

Working alongside a big striker could also work but he still relies on balls slotted through, which I'm not sure Davis is capable of.  Hogan's not quick enough to do much with flick ons so even if we play him with Davis I'm still not sure we'll see him thrive.

There's just so much that would need to change about our style of play to get the most out of Hogan it's just not worth it.  We should cut our losses ASAP.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: tomd2103 on November 01, 2017, 05:42:34 PM
I think he would benefit from a 4231 with Grealish in close proximity and a couple of wide players. Its not how we will be setting tonight though.

I would mind seeing him in a 442, but I wonder if Jedinak/Whelan is going to limit Hourihane and on balance, I'd prefer Hourihane and Onomah supporting Davis with Snodders and Adomah to 442.

Might be worth having a look at him with Grealish or O'Hare in the U23's.  The snippets I have seen them play together, him and O'Hare do seem to have a bit of an understanding.  Would involve us changing the way we play though, so pretty doubtful.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: manic-road on November 01, 2017, 09:48:20 PM
I don't know if it's lack of ability, lack of confidence or a combination of both but he looked gash again tonight when he came on.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Matt Collins on November 01, 2017, 09:53:47 PM
His confidence looked completely shot to me

It doesn't feel like it's going to be a success does it. He's only ever going to get chances here and there. He never loos like taking them. Today we were just breaking at will in the last twenty and he still never looked dangerous
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: garyshawsknee on November 01, 2017, 09:55:53 PM
Must admit, i'd never really heard of him till we signed, so not sure if he was any good, but he looks completely shot of confidence. Struggles to do the basic things,  feel sorry for him.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on November 01, 2017, 09:57:01 PM
Another bad game (although he played us out of the back very well once).

Sadly he is not playing well at all. I wish I could say otherwise :(
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Mellin on November 01, 2017, 11:05:25 PM
I also felt sorry for him. Confidence clearly at rock bottom. We've clearly not seen him anywhere near his best (and probably won't get to).
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Comrade Blitz on November 02, 2017, 11:02:18 AM
Can't help but wonder if Hogan will be another resident at the Aston Villa Home for Formerly Prolific Championship Strikers. By chance alone, we are due one that continues to be prolific with us.


 :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: olaftab on November 02, 2017, 11:09:27 AM
I wish people would not get so anxious about Hogan. I believe he will be very useful to us in the promotion push from February onwards when injuries and games toil up on the team. 
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Comrade Blitz on November 02, 2017, 11:15:32 AM
Is he at least getting some playing time in the reserves?
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Gareth on November 02, 2017, 11:37:51 AM
I must have been watching a different game as when he came on last night I thought he looked quite bright - kept making good runs and helped lay on the chance for Adomah. 

Would still at some point like to see him have a start up top with Davis

Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Clark W Griswold on November 02, 2017, 11:52:08 AM
Said it before and I'll say it again, he's a quality player at this level that just isn't fitting in with the way we're playing. It happens.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: mr underhill on November 02, 2017, 04:04:51 PM
I've seen absolutely nothing in Hogan to suggest he has any footballing quality at all.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: tomd2103 on November 02, 2017, 04:19:13 PM
An incident just after he came on for Davis, sums it up for me.  They had to drop a midfielder in at centre back in the second half and Davis gave him a torrid time, outmuscling him in pretty much every challenge.  Hogan came on and his first challenge with him ended up with Hogan being eased off the ball and onto the floor by the same defender.   
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Risso on November 02, 2017, 05:04:02 PM
He got passed the ball from a throw in, and under no pressure whatsoever, kicked the ball straight out of play. Then towards the end, he was in their 18 yard box, won the ball, and tamely passed it back to one of their defenders.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Chris Smith on November 02, 2017, 05:26:21 PM
I must have been watching a different game as when he came on last night I thought he looked quite bright - kept making good runs and helped lay on the chance for Adomah. 

Would still at some point like to see him have a start up top with Davis



He started well but got steadily worse, if heíd played for any longer heíd have been scoring own goals and offering out his team mates. He clearly has ability but it rarely shows itself. Some people appear determined to blame it on the manager as it suits their standpoint but to me it seems that he is struggling with the level of expectation that comes with playing for the biggest club in the division.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 02, 2017, 05:31:48 PM
He got passed the ball from a throw in, and under no pressure whatsoever, kicked the ball straight out of play. Then towards the end, he was in their 18 yard box, won the ball, and tamely passed it back to one of their defenders.
Apparently one of his better games..
As Tom says above, ( and I have noticed every time he plays) his ability to be eased off the ball is extremely concerning, you can not play at this level if every time you get the ball it gets taken off you or you give it away.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Matt Collins on November 02, 2017, 08:08:47 PM
He doesn't really seem to have the technique you'd need to get away with being so lightweight

But he's clearly way below what he was at Brentford, even accounting for different playing styles etc
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Rigadon on November 02, 2017, 08:43:40 PM
Work colleague has one of the Brentford backroom staff as a flatmate. He reckons that Hogan is not at all happy at Villa Ė still living in London and commuting up, and very critical of the coaching work done each week. At Brentford, they'd have three distinct sessions that were set up to how the opposition were expected to play against them; at Villa, it's a bit more bibs and cones.

None of that shocks me given the little snippets we see from the training sessions on youtube and what we actually produce on the pitch most weeks.

I've been critical of Hogan a fair bit but for the good of his career he needs to move, maybe not in January but next summer. Deep down he knows this wasn't his best career move.

Thorough training sessions won't help you shine if you can't trap a football from a throw in.  His confidence is completely shot and its obvious  that he needs selling ASAP.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: West Derby Villan on November 02, 2017, 10:26:45 PM
Okay, I really hope I'm wrong (have been before) but he ain't gonna make it. He has had numerous opportunities, a run of games (agree not that many) different partners but to no avail. I really really hope I'm wrong and he becomes the confident goal scorer he was with Brentford.......
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: tomd2103 on November 03, 2017, 01:12:50 AM
Okay, I really hope I'm wrong (have been before) but he ain't gonna make it. He has had numerous opportunities, a run of games (agree not that many) different partners but to no avail. I really really hope I'm wrong and he becomes the confident goal scorer he was with Brentford.......

Have to disagree with that a bit.  He has come on up front on his own the majority of times he has featured this season and just isn't suited to that role.  I can't recall him being partnered up front with Davis or with O'Hare (apart from pre season).  He might fe more suited to a 4-4-2 alongside Davis and with crosses coming in or with someone like O'Hare or Grealish playing just behind him. It would need us to change our formation and style of play though, and I still really can't see why he was bought for so much when it is clear he just isn't what we need up there. 
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: passitsideways on November 03, 2017, 04:38:55 AM
Okay, I really hope I'm wrong (have been before) but he ain't gonna make it. He has had numerous opportunities, a run of games (agree not that many) different partners but to no avail. I really really hope I'm wrong and he becomes the confident goal scorer he was with Brentford.......

Have to disagree with that a bit.  He has come on up front on his own the majority of times he has featured this season and just isn't suited to that role.  I can't recall him being partnered up front with Davis or with O'Hare (apart from pre season).  He might fe more suited to a 4-4-2 alongside Davis and with crosses coming in or with someone like O'Hare or Grealish playing just behind him. It would need us to change our formation and style of play though, and I still really can't see why he was bought for so much when it is clear he just isn't what we need up there. 

Which obviously would be a dodgy old idea now that we've seem to have settled on a setup capable of yielding good results (provided that the approach is positive enough, of course). He may be an unknown quantity for the post-Bruce era, but that's thinking way too far ahead at this moment.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: tomd2103 on November 03, 2017, 08:59:53 AM
Okay, I really hope I'm wrong (have been before) but he ain't gonna make it. He has had numerous opportunities, a run of games (agree not that many) different partners but to no avail. I really really hope I'm wrong and he becomes the confident goal scorer he was with Brentford.......

Have to disagree with that a bit.  He has come on up front on his own the majority of times he has featured this season and just isn't suited to that role.  I can't recall him being partnered up front with Davis or with O'Hare (apart from pre season).  He might fe more suited to a 4-4-2 alongside Davis and with crosses coming in or with someone like O'Hare or Grealish playing just behind him. It would need us to change our formation and style of play though, and I still really can't see why he was bought for so much when it is clear he just isn't what we need up there. 

Which obviously would be a dodgy old idea now that we've seem to have settled on a setup capable of yielding good results (provided that the approach is positive enough, of course). He may be an unknown quantity for the post-Bruce era, but that's thinking way too far ahead at this moment.

Exactly and I just don't see him fitting into that current set up.  Said it another thread, but we desperately need to bring some like-for-like cover for Davis in January which would probably mean Hogan being surplus to requirements at that point. 
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: muelyvilla82 on November 03, 2017, 09:25:47 AM
I've said it before but Hogan is one of these players that you really want to do well, in my opinion his movement is up there with some of the best strikers but a mixture of bad luck and los of confidence has held him back. Really hope he finds his feet.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Clampy on November 03, 2017, 10:16:13 AM
I think there's a decent footballer in Hogan. It hasn't quite happened here for him yet and it might not but I think he's a useful player to bring off the bench, albeit an expensive one.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: tomd2103 on November 03, 2017, 10:37:18 AM
I think there's a decent footballer in Hogan. It hasn't quite happened here for him yet and it might not but I think he's a useful player to bring off the bench, albeit an expensive one.

See Clampy, I don't think he is at the moment.  The minute he comes on, our performances usually take a nosedive as we can't hold the ball up front.  Like pretty much everyone else, I really want him to do well, but I just can't see it in the current set up.   
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Risso on November 03, 2017, 10:42:43 AM
I think there's a decent footballer in Hogan. It hasn't quite happened here for him yet and it might not but I think he's a useful player to bring off the bench, albeit an expensive one.

How on earth is that remotely true?  He hasn't done a single useful thing when coming on as a sub.  All he did on Wednesday was give the ball away twice.  The two appearance before that he touched the ball something like 4 times in each game.  How is that useful whatsoever?  I'd much rather see somebody like O'Hare, who came on and was industrious and attacking at the same time.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Clampy on November 03, 2017, 10:43:10 AM
I think there's a decent footballer in Hogan. It hasn't quite happened here for him yet and it might not but I think he's a useful player to bring off the bench, albeit an expensive one.

See Clampy, I don't think he is at the moment.  The minute he comes on, our performances usually take a nosedive as we can't hold the ball up front.  Like pretty much everyone else, I really want him to do well, but I just can't see it in the current set up.   

I know what you're saying but I think 'nosedive' is a tad harsh. Yes, he's a different player to Davis but his energy and willingness to run is the last thing opposition defenders want after 80 minutes.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Clampy on November 03, 2017, 10:44:14 AM
I think there's a decent footballer in Hogan. It hasn't quite happened here for him yet and it might not but I think he's a useful player to bring off the bench, albeit an expensive one.

How on earth is that remotely true?  He hasn't done a single useful thing when coming on as a sub.  All he did on Wednesday was give the ball away twice.  The two appearance before that he touched the ball something like 4 times in each game.  How is that useful whatsoever?  I'd much rather see somebody like O'Hare, who came on and was industrious and attacking at the same time.

I didn't say it was true, it's just my opinion. You disagree, that's fine.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: spangley1812 on November 03, 2017, 10:58:28 AM
I think there's a decent footballer in Hogan. It hasn't quite happened here for him yet and it might not but I think he's a useful player to bring off the bench, albeit an expensive one.

How on earth is that remotely true?  He hasn't done a single useful thing when coming on as a sub.  All he did on Wednesday was give the ball away twice.  The two appearance before that he touched the ball something like 4 times in each game.  How is that useful whatsoever?  I'd much rather see somebody like O'Hare, who came on and was industrious and attacking at the same time.

I didn't say it was true, it's just my opinion. You disagree, that's fine.

I agree with you Clampy from what I saw @ Brentford and his previous record he is good player, its not his fault we don't create the chances he needs or give him a decent run of games.......no one can be judged when they are coming on for 10/15 minutes @ the end of games   
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: oldtimernow on November 03, 2017, 11:07:57 AM
Do you think he might just be Kodjia insurance against JK getting injured early on in a match?
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: tomd2103 on November 03, 2017, 01:02:02 PM
I think there's a decent footballer in Hogan. It hasn't quite happened here for him yet and it might not but I think he's a useful player to bring off the bench, albeit an expensive one.

See Clampy, I don't think he is at the moment.  The minute he comes on, our performances usually take a nosedive as we can't hold the ball up front.  Like pretty much everyone else, I really want him to do well, but I just can't see it in the current set up.   

I know what you're saying but I think 'nosedive' is a tad harsh. Yes, he's a different player to Davis but his energy and willingness to run is the last thing opposition defenders want after 80 minutes.

On reflection it probably is a bit, but I think there is definitely a noticeable dip when he comes on.  In terms of opposition defenders, they seem to deal with him with relative ease. 
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 03, 2017, 01:06:16 PM
Darren Bent went through games touching the ball 8-9 times and being a non factor outside the box but very often he scored the crucial goal and all was fine until we signed Benteke.

Hogan needs to be scoring if he's contributing so little in the build up and he just looks a million miles away from that with the lack of confidence on display.

I think we should cut our losses and sign another targetman striker in January to tick things over. I imagine SB is thinking similar. In a funny way Gestede wouldn't be a bad option in the present squad.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Dave P on November 03, 2017, 01:13:52 PM
When can we put the "there's a good footballer in there somewhere" or "needs a run of games" soundbites to bed and all admit he's just not that good?  I feel we need to rent a space in a church basement and all try and admit this one by one.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: mrfuse on November 03, 2017, 01:22:52 PM
I think there's a decent footballer in Hogan. It hasn't quite happened here for him yet and it might not but I think he's a useful player to bring off the bench, albeit an expensive one.

How on earth is that remotely true?  He hasn't done a single useful thing when coming on as a sub.  All he did on Wednesday was give the ball away twice.  The two appearance before that he touched the ball something like 4 times in each game.  How is that useful whatsoever?  I'd much rather see somebody like O'Hare, who came on and was industrious and attacking at the same time.

I tend to agree, at least when O'Hare comes on he puts himself about. Hogan is obviously a decent player we just haven't seen it. Okay we don't seem to be playing to his strengths, but surely he has to adapt his game to suit.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 04, 2017, 01:13:50 AM
I think there's a decent footballer in Hogan. It hasn't quite happened here for him yet and it might not but I think he's a useful player to bring off the bench, albeit an expensive one.
I think you said the same Bout Tonev.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 04, 2017, 01:23:59 AM
I think there's a decent footballer in Hogan. It hasn't quite happened here for him yet and it might not but I think he's a useful player to bring off the bench, albeit an expensive one.

How on earth is that remotely true?  He hasn't done a single useful thing when coming on as a sub.  All he did on Wednesday was give the ball away twice.  The two appearance before that he touched the ball something like 4 times in each game.  How is that useful whatsoever?  I'd much rather see somebody like O'Hare, who came on and was industrious and attacking at the same time.

I didn't say it was true, it's just my opinion. You disagree, that's fine.

I agree with you Clampy from what I saw @ Brentford and his previous record he is good player, its not his fault we don't create the chances he needs or give him a decent run of games.......no one can be judged when they are coming on for 10/15 minutes @ the end of games   


A player like Hogan will always look shit when he's replacing another striker when we're either shutting up shop or lumping it to save a game.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Neil Hawkes on November 04, 2017, 06:10:07 AM
When he starts a couple of games with KD as a partner, then a full and proper assessment can be made. 20 mins late in game is not a good benchmark, with the rest of the team consolidating the win at that stage and not pushing for a win from the first whistle.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: passitsideways on November 04, 2017, 08:48:05 AM
I think there's a decent footballer in Hogan. It hasn't quite happened here for him yet and it might not but I think he's a useful player to bring off the bench, albeit an expensive one.

How on earth is that remotely true?  He hasn't done a single useful thing when coming on as a sub.  All he did on Wednesday was give the ball away twice.  The two appearance before that he touched the ball something like 4 times in each game.  How is that useful whatsoever?  I'd much rather see somebody like O'Hare, who came on and was industrious and attacking at the same time.

I didn't say it was true, it's just my opinion. You disagree, that's fine.

I agree with you Clampy from what I saw @ Brentford and his previous record he is good player, its not his fault we don't create the chances he needs or give him a decent run of games.......no one can be judged when they are coming on for 10/15 minutes @ the end of games   


A player like Hogan will always look shit when he's replacing another striker when we're either shutting up shop or lumping it to save a game.

Plus we're not much good at countering, it feels to me. He's part of the reason why that's the case sometimes, because he can't really hold it up for long enough to link up with runners, but he doesn't even get the chance to nick a cheap one or two when the other team is chasing the game.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: XXVilla on November 04, 2017, 08:54:54 AM
He wonít evade the chop if we get to the Promised Land.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 04, 2017, 05:00:13 PM
How many times did he touch the ball today then?

Just cut our losses on him.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: CT on November 04, 2017, 05:03:56 PM
A real chance to get involved today.

File under B for Balaban.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 04, 2017, 05:07:47 PM
He is Steve Bruceís biggest signing.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Three Spires Villa on November 04, 2017, 05:25:52 PM
Sell in January, why did Bruce buy him? He certainly hasnít used him well, but Hogan hasnít taken his chances either
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Risso on November 04, 2017, 05:28:43 PM
Words fail me. Even more hopeless than I thought possible. Up there with Tonev for complete lack of talent and footballing ability.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Herman on November 04, 2017, 05:38:43 PM
A real chance to get involved today.

File under B for Balaban.

I am also reminded of Balaban in his pomp.
He offers the square root of nothing. Christ knows what has happened to him since we were conned.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Ad@m on November 04, 2017, 06:56:59 PM
Huge missed opportunity today. Played alongside Davis for almost 90 minutes, even accounting for the fact he spent a wasted 15 minutes on the right wing.

It's just not going to work for him and us is it. I'm convinced there's a decent player there but I'm getting increasingly convinced we'll never see him appear in a Villa shirt.

Time to move on in January I think.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: wittonwarrior on November 04, 2017, 06:59:29 PM
Just not happening for Scott  he has to be moved on sorry
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 04, 2017, 07:00:16 PM
Words fail me. Even more hopeless than I thought possible. Up there with Tonev for complete lack of talent and footballing ability.
If we can see this, I do not understand why Bruce canít and played him today.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: saunders_heroes on November 04, 2017, 07:00:43 PM
Just not happening for Scott  he has to be moved on sorry

Agreed. Hopeless today. Flog him in January, get some money back and reinvest it while weíre still in the mix.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: saunders_heroes on November 04, 2017, 07:02:09 PM
Words fail me. Even more hopeless than I thought possible. Up there with Tonev for complete lack of talent and footballing ability.
If we can see this, I do not understand why Bruce canít and played him today.


Out of loyalty because he signed him Iím guessing. He shouldnít have started, and when we made the second sub he should have been replaced by OíHare like for like but they left him on and took off Snodgrass instead. That was poor from Bruce.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Ad@m on November 04, 2017, 07:04:10 PM
Words fail me. Even more hopeless than I thought possible. Up there with Tonev for complete lack of talent and footballing ability.
If we can see this, I do not understand why Bruce canít and played him today.


Out of loyalty because he signed him Iím guessing. He shouldnít have started, and when we made the second sub he should have been replaced by OíHare like for like but they left him on and took off Snodgrass instead. That was poor from Bruce.

To be fair Snodgrass was injured.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: saunders_heroes on November 04, 2017, 07:05:38 PM
Words fail me. Even more hopeless than I thought possible. Up there with Tonev for complete lack of talent and footballing ability.
If we can see this, I do not understand why Bruce canít and played him today.


Out of loyalty because he signed him Iím guessing. He shouldnít have started, and when we made the second sub he should have been replaced by OíHare like for like but they left him on and took off Snodgrass instead. That was poor from Bruce.

To be fair Snodgrass was injured.

I didnít realise. He certainly didnít look happy going off.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Ad@m on November 04, 2017, 07:09:31 PM
Words fail me. Even more hopeless than I thought possible. Up there with Tonev for complete lack of talent and footballing ability.
If we can see this, I do not understand why Bruce canít and played him today.


Out of loyalty because he signed him Iím guessing. He shouldnít have started, and when we made the second sub he should have been replaced by OíHare like for like but they left him on and took off Snodgrass instead. That was poor from Bruce.

To be fair Snodgrass was injured.

I didnít realise. He certainly didnít look happy going off.

You're right, he didn't. But for the 10 mins before you could see he was struggling and Bruce has since said that he was playing with a broken rib.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 04, 2017, 07:14:55 PM
WM made a massive drama over the Snodgrass sub...well Franksy did. Apparently he flung his shinpads in SB's direction?
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: XXVilla on November 04, 2017, 09:31:12 PM
Bruce was on the touch line wasnít he? Shin pads went into the Doug Out. Frustration at the situation nothing else.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: tomd2103 on November 04, 2017, 10:46:08 PM
WM made a massive drama over the Snodgrass sub...well Franksy did. Apparently he flung his shinpads in SB's direction?

Shows what he was watching.  He clearly took something off from under his shirt on the way off (guessing it was some kind of rib protector from the comments above) and threw that. 
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: curiousorange on November 04, 2017, 11:17:32 PM
Hogan is a metaphysical footballer. He seems to make the perfect run without actually ever recieving the ball, and no disappointing performance is ever really his fault.

Or he could just be crap. Tough call.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: sickbeggar on November 04, 2017, 11:24:12 PM
I don't know. He's obviously suffering from a lack of confidence but watch his goals on youtube. They're not lucky, just getting the ball passed to him on the floor, or crossed accurately. If he was missing sitters all the time or messing up in front of goal that would be one thing. He just doesn't get the ball to miss sitters or accurate crosses.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: LukeJames on November 04, 2017, 11:30:56 PM
brentford played a system that benefitted him, you'd hope with us spending so much money on him that we had a plan on how to utilise him aswell but its looking more and more like we signed him purely because he scored goals without any idea of how to get the best out of him, he sure as hell isn't a fucking target man or a winger.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: curiousorange on November 04, 2017, 11:32:40 PM
People keep defending Hogan in that regard, but if it so clearly doesn't work, it's up to him to help change that. I hate the long ball and have sympathy with him there, but I refuse to believe players like Hourihane and Onomah are too dense to spot one of these perfect runs Hogan is supposed to make. So he liked it to feet at Brentford? Tough. Change your game. Develop. It's the only way it'll work for him under Bruce, because the guy is here to stay for the foreseeable, whereas Hogan may have seven or eight weeks left at Villa Park if he can't get his head right or take chances like the start he was given today.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: sickbeggar on November 04, 2017, 11:38:20 PM
Just think that's daft. I mean Bruce must have known what kind of player he was? Like buying a sports car and wanting to drive it off-road. He seems to like it to feet while hanging off the shoulders of the defenders (the amount of offsides he beats at brentford is worth seeing). Surely that's not too hard for our midfield to adapt to, rather than try and turn him into Kodja?
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: LukeJames on November 04, 2017, 11:38:56 PM
Its up to him to change his style? He obviously can't and that is all on Bruce for not doing his homework on him before signing him.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: curiousorange on November 04, 2017, 11:44:26 PM
What I'm getting at is that Hogan can scream until he's blue in the face that he wants to play one way, but it's obvious that Bruce has no intention of sending us out to do that. So Hogan can't just wait for it to click - what can he do to make it work? If I was him, and I would say it's a fair bet he's keen to find out, I'd be racking my brains to adapt so I don't get benched or sold.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: sickbeggar on November 04, 2017, 11:47:25 PM
still dont get the thinking really. get our midfield to pass to him on the floor or tell him to become Kodja. I'm sorry but even if he does what kodja does he's never going to be any good at it. you could have asked Dwight York to do the same and he would have been crap at it as well.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: curiousorange on November 04, 2017, 11:51:26 PM
So what's the solution? Play him as we do now, where he's completely redundant and hope it works? Because, and I can't stress this enough, there is no evidence Steve Bruce is going to change the way we play to accommodate him. I'm not asking Hogan to become Kodjia, but I'm fed up with people excusing his non-performances on confidence. It's not working for him and there must be something he himself can adjust.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: LukeJames on November 04, 2017, 11:54:47 PM
The solution for me is to sell him in January and hopefully get some of the fee we payed for him back, then spend the money on a striker that will fit into Bruce's system.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: sickbeggar on November 04, 2017, 11:57:21 PM
just play it on the floor in the last third. surely we're not hoofing it 100% of the time? Bruce can still do what he likes doing.  if he gets in those positions with the ball and messes up then fair enough, but at least give him the chance. As it is there seems to be no understanding between him and the midfielders where he wants the ball played
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: XXVilla on November 05, 2017, 08:26:07 AM
Square peg round hole. And heís very square.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: eamonn on November 05, 2017, 02:38:20 PM
The solution for me is to sell him in January and hopefully get some of the fee we payed for him back, then spend the money on a striker that will fit into Bruce's system.

Support Crouch.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: XXVilla on November 05, 2017, 10:20:35 PM
The solution for me is to sell him in January and hopefully get some of the fee we payed for him back, then spend the money on a striker that will fit into Bruce's system.

Support Crouch.

We had him once remember? He was the Scott Hogan of his day.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 05, 2017, 10:59:25 PM
The solution for me is to sell him in January and hopefully get some of the fee we payed for him back, then spend the money on a striker that will fit into Bruce's system.

Support Crouch.

We had him once remember? He was the Scott Hogan of his day.
Not really.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: pbavfckuwait on November 06, 2017, 07:45:11 AM
He had a chance on Saturday to at least put a full shift in, yes he was pushed wide, but certain players and I think Scotty is one of them do not mind that as it gives them a ready made excuse and also a chance to hide.
I watched him on Saturday and to me he just did not give the effort that a player that realy is out to prove people wrong, in fact he appears to have fallen into the Gabby, Richards school of, best wage I am ever going to get and if the manager does not fancy me anymore, who am I to give a flying f....
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: mr underhill on November 06, 2017, 02:25:49 PM
hugely disappointed in Hogan and his attitude. fuck the fucker.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Mister E on November 06, 2017, 02:56:00 PM
If you watched the last warm-up routine on Saturday you may have noticed that no one passed to him (it involved Whelan and Hourihane getting the ball, passing into either Adomah or Snodgrass and a ball being delivered into the centre with Davis and Hogan waiting: every pass went to Davis, without exception ... and it looked quite intentional). I wonder if he has simply become a persona non grata in the club?
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: The Left Side on November 06, 2017, 02:59:25 PM
Hopefully Grealish will help his style of play, if they are both on the pitch at the same time. I noticed from the highlights on Saturday when Snodgrass had a long range effort there was a huge gap that Hogan was moving into and it just needed a crafty through ball from Snodgrass and he would have been in. Hogan was on the shoulders of the defenders but the ball was shot instead of played through. I hope he gets a chance to show what he has but I get the feeling it ain't gonna happen for him with the way we play.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 06, 2017, 05:32:45 PM
Hopefully Grealish will help his style of play, if they are both on the pitch at the same time. I noticed from the highlights on Saturday when Snodgrass had a long range effort there was a huge gap that Hogan was moving into and it just needed a crafty through ball from Snodgrass and he would have been in. Hogan was on the shoulders of the defenders but the ball was shot instead of played through. I hope he gets a chance to show what he has but I get the feeling it ain't gonna happen for him with the way we play.
I think he has shown what he has.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 06, 2017, 06:38:25 PM
The solution for me is to sell him in January and hopefully get some of the fee we payed for him back, then spend the money on a striker that will fit into Bruce's system.

Support Crouch.

We had him once remember? He was the Scott Hogan of his day.

Crouch would be brilliant in this division.

Problem is he's still Stoke's best striker so he's going nowhere unless they want to get relegated.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: LukeJames on December 09, 2017, 11:39:44 PM
We've got to the point now were by we don't use him in any capacity, I'm torn between being relieved that we've stopped using him as a target man substitute, and being pissed off that we blew our summer budget on him without having a plan on how to utilise him.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: wittonwarrior on December 10, 2017, 12:28:28 AM
Sell him, cut our losses and bring someone else in, who can adapt to the awkward way we play the ball forward.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Diablo on December 12, 2017, 12:55:00 AM
A friend of mine told me yesterday that one of his friends from Manchester (I know, I know) knows Scott Hogan's mum who said that there has been a fall out between Hogan and some of the other first team players resulting in them not passing to him??? He even said this was about 6 weeks/2 months ago which would support Mister E's comment/observation on the 6th Nov. My friend had Hogan in his fantasy team which is how the conversation came about. I hope it's bollocks, but it was a pretty random conversation. Not sure if his mum lives in the Manchester area? I presume she did at one point.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: aev on December 12, 2017, 07:13:37 AM
A friend of mine told me yesterday that one of his friends from Manchester (I know, I know) knows Scott Hogan's mum who said that there has been a fall out between Hogan and some of the other first team players resulting in them not passing to him??? He even said this was about 6 weeks/2 months ago which would support Mister E's comment/observation on the 6th Nov. My friend had Hogan in his fantasy team which is how the conversation came about. I hope it's bollocks, but it was a pretty random conversation. Not sure if his mum lives in the Manchester area? I presume she did at one point.

I think he was born in the "second city".
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: sickbeggar on December 26, 2017, 10:43:54 PM
Played okay tonight i thought.. Dare i say it a glimpse of the player we thought we bought? Just need a manager now who plays to his strengths.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 26, 2017, 10:47:49 PM
On tonight I'd say there's a good player if we had a manager who had a clue how to use him.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Des Little on December 26, 2017, 11:46:08 PM
A friend of mine told me yesterday that one of his friends from Manchester (I know, I know) knows Scott Hogan's mum who said that there has been a fall out between Hogan and some of the other first team players resulting in them not passing to him??? He even said this was about 6 weeks/2 months ago which would support Mister E's comment/observation on the 6th Nov. My friend had Hogan in his fantasy team which is how the conversation came about. I hope it's bollocks, but it was a pretty random conversation. Not sure if his mum lives in the Manchester area? I presume she did at one point.

I think he was born in the "second city".

Iím sorry, I stopped reading that at the point of someone having Hogan in their fantasy team. I mean, that is clearly a piss taker at work.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: LukeJames on December 26, 2017, 11:48:57 PM
His offside goal was the sort of through ball/goal combination that he was thriving on at Brentford when we brought him. Instead of tring it again though we reverted back to using him as a fucking target man.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Diablo on December 26, 2017, 11:58:09 PM
A friend of mine told me yesterday that one of his friends from Manchester (I know, I know) knows Scott Hogan's mum who said that there has been a fall out between Hogan and some of the other first team players resulting in them not passing to him??? He even said this was about 6 weeks/2 months ago which would support Mister E's comment/observation on the 6th Nov. My friend had Hogan in his fantasy team which is how the conversation came about. I hope it's bollocks, but it was a pretty random conversation. Not sure if his mum lives in the Manchester area? I presume she did at one point.

I think he was born in the "second city".

Iím sorry, I stopped reading that at the point of someone having Hogan in their fantasy team. I mean, that is clearly a piss taker at work.
To be fair he did say Hogan was initially in his Fantasy football team but that he had to take him out.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 27, 2017, 12:08:59 AM
They do fantasy football for the championship?

You learn something new everyday.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: eamonn on December 27, 2017, 03:23:39 AM
He seemed to be enjoying the celebrations after our goal with his teammates and his body language throughout was decent considering the scraps he was working off.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Nelly on December 27, 2017, 06:57:04 AM
If that's true about players falling out, how on earth haven't our coaches sorted that yet?!
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: mr underhill on December 27, 2017, 06:59:41 AM
we're clutching at straws here - Hogan is never going to make it with us even if Dean Smith walked into BH tomorrow. Yet another awful buy, which, alongside the others in the past twoseasons, will ensure we are doomed to Chumps League football for a long time.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Diablo on December 29, 2017, 07:02:45 AM
They do fantasy football for the championship?

You learn something new everyday.
Apparently so - presto hey! https://fantasyfootball.telegraph.co.uk/championship/home
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Clampy on December 29, 2017, 10:49:15 AM
I'd personally give him a run of games in the side now, until he gets injured again.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 29, 2017, 01:19:07 PM
I'd play him, if Bruce can work out that you need to pass it on the deck to make use of him.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: garyshawsknee on December 29, 2017, 01:30:28 PM
Play him with Davis, he needs two or three games in a row, no wonder his confidence is shot to bits.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: ozzjim on December 29, 2017, 11:39:53 PM
His run and cross for the goal was excellent forward play. And pretty much the only time we passed it around into that channel the whole game.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: footyskillz on December 30, 2017, 12:29:24 AM
His run and cross for the goal was excellent forward play. And pretty much the only time we passed it around into that channel the whole game.

Agreed and happy new year to you sir and fellow villains let's hope for a good 2018 season!

I would like to see 2 forward strikers Davis and Hogan paired together until strike brought in window. Loan from Premier league of target man Bruce preference or pacey striker. Thinking GA is limited despite chances.
Hogan is due his chance indeed and to play with support and to player strengths is just how to be like in life make use of what somehow or someone is best and good at and goals will come. This =wins and hoping for rise in places.

Let's keep up supports and make Happy new year again. Utv!
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: mr underhill on December 30, 2017, 07:46:04 AM
you always cheer me up Skillz, HNY to you.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: brian green on December 30, 2017, 07:50:00 AM
Me too.  HNY footy.  Keep on taking the man and ball in your use of the English language.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: curiousorange on December 30, 2017, 12:29:44 PM
Although I don't rate Hogan, Bruce has to play two up top, Hogan included, for the foreseeable. We're just so impotent without Kodjia and at least Hogan did a bit against Brentford to show there's vital signs.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: brontebilly on December 30, 2017, 06:00:18 PM
How did he go today ?
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on December 30, 2017, 07:02:25 PM
How did he go today ?

Same as usual didn't score a goal.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: mr underhill on December 30, 2017, 08:57:26 PM
For his own sanity Hogan needs a move away from Villa
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Ads on December 30, 2017, 09:02:31 PM
He was isolated.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: clash city rocker on December 30, 2017, 09:54:42 PM
Hogan''s biggest failing is that he signed for a manager called Bruce. You don't score the amount of goals he did for Brentford and become crap overnight unless you sign for Steve Bruce.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on December 30, 2017, 10:22:21 PM
Hogan''s biggest failing is that he signed for a manager called Bruce. You don't score the amount of goals he did for Brentford and become crap overnight unless you sign for Steve Bruce.

Bruce has managed to take Hogan, McCormack and Kodjia and not manage the average goals per season for any one of them out of all three. That takes a special kind of moron.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: VILLA MOLE on December 30, 2017, 10:32:21 PM
in fairness he has made Gabby prolific
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: sickbeggar on December 30, 2017, 11:22:55 PM
Sort of player we'll flog for nothing, and 2 years down the line he'll turn up at the likes of Bournemouth scoring for fun
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 30, 2017, 11:31:17 PM
If we were the sort of team that has periods  of pressure In attacking areas and creating chances, I think Hogan would do ok, not good enough for top of this league but ok.
Based on the way we are set up, doing ok is a stretch.

Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Des Little on December 30, 2017, 11:33:14 PM
If RHM can stay injury free for more than a week, surely Hoganís on his way in January? Quite whoíd take him I have no idea.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Matt C on December 31, 2017, 04:24:10 AM
He had a poor game again. Weíre not helping him much of course for all the reasons mentioned multiple times above but heís not helping himself much either. Starting to look like heís sulking a bit. RHM did more in 15 minutes than he managed in the proceeding 75.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Risso on December 31, 2017, 09:21:39 AM
How is it that Hepburn Murphy can make himself available for a pass and genuinely look a threat the moment he comes on, but Hogan canít for every single minute he plays?
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: LeeB on December 31, 2017, 09:29:43 AM
How is it that Hepburn Murphy can make himself available for a pass and genuinely look a threat the moment he comes on, but Hogan canít for every single minute he plays?

Yeah, Iíd like to blame the manager for his woes but itís not true. Heís not done nearly enough to justify his place. I accept that we donít play to his strengths, but you have to show some kind of effort to adapt to your teammates, and I havenít seen it.

Itís made more stark by the fact that kids like Davis and RHM come in from nowhere and have some impact, just doing the basics.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: mr underhill on December 31, 2017, 11:58:40 AM
right up there with Bosko as one of our all-time transfer fuck-ups
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: ozzjim on January 02, 2018, 09:24:30 AM
We saw the difference a goal makes last night. Terrific header for the first goal, but even more so for the Snodgrass goal. Both showed he does have a bit of movement to create space for himself, both were good headers.  Had Snodgrass looked up and passed early in the second half, he would have had a tap in for another.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on January 02, 2018, 09:31:00 AM
He's gonna come good I tell ya.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Fasth56 on January 02, 2018, 09:38:03 AM
I think the difference was Grealish was feeding to the ball Adomah whilst he was on the run past the fullback, so he gets his cross in early, this allows the forward to make his run and receive the ball. Normally we feed the ball sideways to Adomah who then has to beat the fullback before attempting a cross and the forward has made the run early but doesn't get the ball. The pace of the attacks made all the difference.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Ads on January 02, 2018, 10:07:20 AM
The ball got moved a lot quicker and that helped. He was a lot busier after he scored, running to close, or driving with the ball. His header was superb and the one that Steele saved before our second was excellent too.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Diablo on January 02, 2018, 10:47:57 AM
Hopefully that display and goal will do him the world of good and get his Villa career up and running. I hope he can do a Juan Pablo Angel and now start banging them in. Which got me thinking how many different players have we had that have taken a season to settle in before they came good?
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 02, 2018, 11:53:52 AM
Lovely headers in the game, hopefully with some confidence he'll really add to the team.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on January 02, 2018, 12:01:34 PM
Better. Another 15 goals by the end of the season and he will be starting to look like a  good  signing!

In fairness last 2-3 appearances he has started to lift his game, hopefully with the monkey ofnot scoring off his back it will start to click with him.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Walmley_Villa on January 02, 2018, 12:03:14 PM
Agnew has been coaching him one-to-one so maybe we will start to see the player we thought he was. Delighted for him last night, top draw headers and his running off the ball is excellent but goes unnoticed by the fans and players!
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: tomd2103 on January 02, 2018, 12:08:17 PM
Agnew has been coaching him one-to-one so maybe we will start to see the player we thought he was. Delighted for him last night, top draw headers and his running off the ball is excellent but goes unnoticed by the fans and players!

Mentioned it in another thread, but I thought he made some good runs in the box and attacked the near post really well last night.  He looked a bit sharper overall and it was good to see him score.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Mister E on January 02, 2018, 12:14:12 PM
I think the difference was Grealish was feeding to the ball Adomah whilst he was on the run past the fullback, so he gets his cross in early, this allows the forward to make his run and receive the ball. Normally we feed the ball sideways to Adomah who then has to beat the fullback before attempting a cross and the forward has made the run early but doesn't get the ball. The pace of the attacks made all the difference.
This is the crux of it and is also the reason why I've been despairing of this manager's approach to games. Perhaps we've finally turned a corner. It's moving the ball quickly and getting runners available that opens up defences.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: preston28 on January 02, 2018, 12:25:43 PM
Agnew has been coaching him one-to-one so maybe we will start to see the player we thought he was. Delighted for him last night, top draw headers and his running off the ball is excellent but goes unnoticed by the fans and players!

Not me. His run for Snodgrass second goal took defenders away & opened it up for Grealish to set up Snodgrass.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: chrisw1 on January 02, 2018, 12:41:16 PM
Agnew has been coaching him one-to-one so maybe we will start to see the player we thought he was. Delighted for him last night, top draw headers and his running off the ball is excellent but goes unnoticed by the fans and players!
How do you know this Walmley?  Not disputing it and I think it's a great thing if true, just wondered how you have heard it?
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: chrisw1 on January 02, 2018, 12:43:17 PM
Interview with him here.

Honest and some good stuff, although you can really sense his frustration that we haven't played to his strengths.

https://www.facebook.com/avfcofficial/videos/1789442301099831/
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Walmley_Villa on January 02, 2018, 12:53:11 PM
Agnew has been coaching him one-to-one so maybe we will start to see the player we thought he was. Delighted for him last night, top draw headers and his running off the ball is excellent but goes unnoticed by the fans and players!
How do you know this Walmley?  Not disputing it and I think it's a great thing if true, just wondered how you have heard it?

Bruce stated it before the Brentford game. Agnew has a great reputation with players apparently. Just what we needed imo.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: chrisw1 on January 02, 2018, 12:53:46 PM
Agnew has been coaching him one-to-one so maybe we will start to see the player we thought he was. Delighted for him last night, top draw headers and his running off the ball is excellent but goes unnoticed by the fans and players!
How do you know this Walmley?  Not disputing it and I think it's a great thing if true, just wondered how you have heard it?

Bruce stated it before the Brentford game. Agnew has a great reputation with players apparently. Just what we needed imo.
ok thanks.  That's great stuff.  Although I suspect his performance was probably more down to how the team played as a whole (in particular Grealish's influence) than individual coaching.  But if he can get his tail up it would be fantastic for us.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: ozzjim on January 02, 2018, 02:05:40 PM
How many times did he say attack quickly, move it quickly and the chances will come. We have spent the season being long ball and quite ponderous. Hogan needs fast flowing attacking football. He thrived with Grealish, Adomah, Snodgrass and Hourihane all getting up with him.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: paul_e on January 02, 2018, 03:07:03 PM
How many times did he say attack quickly, move it quickly and the chances will come. We have spent the season being long ball and quite ponderous. Hogan needs fast flowing attacking football. He thrived with Grealish, Adomah, Snodgrass and Hourihane all getting up with him.

What's really good is seeing a player in the squad making the same points that have been made on here.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 02, 2018, 03:09:12 PM
It will save us millions (we donít have) on a new striker if we can utilize properly the striker we spent millions on.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Neil Hawkes on January 02, 2018, 03:23:15 PM
Particularly liked the closing statement - "What we've got in that dressing room, we'll be alright"
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on January 03, 2018, 12:05:43 AM
Great interview. Really class attitude. He just wants to play and score, doesnt blame anyone but himself for problems. Cant ask for more really.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: tomd2103 on January 03, 2018, 12:39:31 AM
It will save us millions (we donít have) on a new striker if we can utilize properly the striker we spent millions on.

One of the differences yesterday was that Grealish in particular got past their midfield with the ball and was running at their defence.   I think that is where Hogan comes into his own really as he does make some good runs. Case in point was Snodgrass's second yesterday, where Hogan made a run in the other direction and could have been slipped in as well.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: ozzjim on January 03, 2018, 06:52:38 AM
Interesting in the longer written interview in the express and star Hogan talks of having to learn the way the manager wants him to play. Suggests it's very much different his natural game. I think part of Bruce's job is to ensure thatwe also play to his strengths, and for the first time since he came we did that properly the other night. It's taken illness and injury to get to the personnel and team structure to let it happen but let's hope it is the way forward now.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Villafirst on January 05, 2018, 06:25:15 PM
Injured again for tomorrow. Turned his ankle against Bristol City. Hopefully not too serious.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Mister E on January 05, 2018, 08:04:44 PM
Injured again for tomorrow. Turned his ankle against Bristol City. Hopefully not too serious.
I sincerely hope that the manager sees this as an opportunity: RHM should be given a starting slot.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: andyh on January 05, 2018, 10:26:22 PM
I like Hogan and am desperate for him to come good, but heís got no chance of progressing if he keeps picking up poxy injuries.
If heís made of glass then heís no feckin good to anyone.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Matt Collins on January 06, 2018, 11:14:13 AM
All the stuff above about free flowing football is spot on

But letís not forget that Bristol played into our hands. Most teams will continue to get 11 men behind the ball at villa park and to really get in our faces away. Weíve not proved capable of playing incisive passing football in this circumstances too often
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Nastylee on January 06, 2018, 03:50:46 PM
WM reckon the injury was nothing to worry about and he should be back for Forest.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 06, 2018, 04:15:04 PM
Hope not.

Seems to be the way it's gone for him here that he gets injured as soon as he gets a run of starts.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 14, 2018, 11:26:54 AM
Fantastic run for the goal yesterday. He basically had one chance and took it.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: ozzjim on January 15, 2018, 12:42:38 AM
Great attitude in his post match interview. He has got the appetite for the fight you have to give him that. Bruce coming out and saying he has been working with Agnew and suddenly he looks a player - because you did not have a fucking clue what to do with him Steve!
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 15, 2018, 03:14:15 AM
His quotes suggesting we should cancel our search for a striker because heís not giving up his spot are brilliant. Just love his attitude.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: chrisw1 on January 15, 2018, 08:50:25 AM
Adding a fit and firing Scott Hogan together with the returning John Terry, Grealish, Jedi and Green to our post Christmas squad is the sort of riches other clubs in the division could only dream about.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Deano's Mullet on January 15, 2018, 08:58:04 AM
Great attitude in his post match interview. He has got the appetite for the fight you have to give him that. Bruce coming out and saying he has been working with Agnew and suddenly he looks a player - because you did not have a fucking clue what to do with him Steve!
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What was pleasing was how happy Snodgrass seemed for him too. Its one thing to not be in form or scoring but if you are unpopular as well you are going to struggle in the dressing room and our Hulk seems part of a very happy unit.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: boozey182 on January 15, 2018, 09:42:15 AM
Two of the most positive things from Saturday were Scott and Birkir fitting into the team so well. Two players that had pretty much been written off in terms of their Villa career playing a key role in an important win. They could both have a massive say in where we end up this season.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 20, 2018, 05:01:29 PM
Outstanding again from Scotty. So good to see him in the kind of form that made us buy him in the first place.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 20, 2018, 05:06:49 PM
Brilliant stuff, keep it up Scotty.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: SoccerHQ on January 20, 2018, 05:13:04 PM
Fair play to him, didn't think it would happen for him here but finally becoming the striker we all hoped he could be.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Nastylee on January 20, 2018, 05:15:28 PM
If he could get anywhere around the 12+ mark between now and May I'd fancy our chances big time.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Smirker on January 20, 2018, 05:16:23 PM
Thank you Scott. Keep it up.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: West Derby Villan on January 20, 2018, 06:07:39 PM
Well played today Scott Hogan more next match please
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Drummond on January 20, 2018, 06:21:56 PM
If he could get anywhere around the 12+ mark between now and May I'd fancy our chances big time.

I fancy them already, it's in our hands now and he's played a big part part in that over the last few games. His attitude is spot on too.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: LukeJames on January 20, 2018, 07:50:04 PM
Chuffed for him, we have finally started playing to his strengths and we are benefitting hugely.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Tony Erdington on January 20, 2018, 08:02:57 PM
is it the grealish factor ere playing more balls to feet than slinging it in that's brought the change of fortunes, I don't know , but I like it.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Risso on January 20, 2018, 08:10:02 PM
Chuffed for him, we have finally started playing to his strengths and we are benefitting hugely.

Iím delighted heís starting to look like the player he was at Brentford, but we havenít really changed that much. All of his recent goals have come from crosses including one corner, with three of them being headers. Weíve had crosses from Elmo, Albert and Snodgrass all season towards Davis, havenít we?
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Meanwood Villa on January 20, 2018, 08:15:12 PM
If he's scoring goals he's doing his job and long may it continue. We still need another striker this window though.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: django on January 20, 2018, 08:16:43 PM
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Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Matt Collins on January 20, 2018, 08:18:01 PM
Iím sure grealish and snoddyís form helps

But I agree - I think itís confidence, fitness, Agnew and a bit of luck in the main part
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: LukeJames on January 20, 2018, 08:19:02 PM
Chuffed for him, we have finally started playing to his strengths and we are benefitting hugely.

Iím delighted heís starting to look like the player he was at Brentford, but we havenít really changed that much. All of his recent goals have come from crosses including one corner, with three of them being headers. Weíve had crosses from Elmo, Albert and Snodgrass all season towards Davis, havenít we?
The balls into him the past few weeks have been brilliant, hes been able to run onto them and just get a touch to steer it in, as he did reguarly for Brentford, previously we were playing floated long balls/crosses to him and getting no benefit at all.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: SamTheMouse on January 20, 2018, 08:19:28 PM
I think there's a lot to be said for allowing players to get to know each other's game and build up a bit of a rapport.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 20, 2018, 08:39:16 PM
We now have three guys who can whip in great crosses from wide positions. Throw in Jack and Hourihane who can do that too along with play clever balls from more central positions it poses opponents lots of problems when dealing with a forward who is very confident and makes intelligent runs.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: tomd2103 on January 20, 2018, 09:08:52 PM
We now have three guys who can whip in great crosses from wide positions. Throw in Jack and Hourihane who can do that too along with play clever balls from more central positions it poses opponents lots of problems when dealing with a forward who is very confident and makes intelligent runs.

Said in the post match thread, but what I've picked up on in the last few games is how well he attacks the near post off crosses.  I wonder if Agnew spotted that and instructed the wide players to whip in early crosses.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: adrenachrome on January 20, 2018, 09:13:02 PM
We now have three guys who can whip in great crosses from wide positions. Throw in Jack and Hourihane who can do that too along with play clever balls from more central positions it poses opponents lots of problems when dealing with a forward who is very confident and makes intelligent runs.

Said in the post match thread, but what I've picked up on in the last few games is how well he attacks the near post off crosses.  I wonder if Agnew spotted that and instructed the wide players to whip in early crosses.

I once posted that when Joe Cole made a clever run to the near post and scored, it was the first time in many years that I had seen us do it.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: goldenjimi on January 20, 2018, 09:46:02 PM
He's probably having his longest fun of games which will have helped him too. Really pleased for him,many more to come hopefully.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: ROBBO on January 21, 2018, 12:09:37 AM
Thought the difference in the two halves was that in the first Elmo and Albert were delivering quick crosses to him where in the second Albert especially held on to the ball trying to get past the full back. Hogan became isolated for much of the second half.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: LeeB on January 21, 2018, 12:14:29 AM
I'm delighted, he's making me look an absolute twat since I lost faith, and I couldn't be happier.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 21, 2018, 12:19:28 AM
I think his movement is his best attribute. He just gets in front of the defenders, itís a tremendous skill.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Matt C on January 21, 2018, 02:22:18 AM
He reached rock bottom at Middlesbrough I thought. Had a poor game and stopped even showing for the ball. RHM came on, changed the game and it looked a bit ominous for Hogan.

Since then he seemed to shake himself out of it and looked a different player. Maybe some fresh ideas for Agnew helped him.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: darren woolley on January 21, 2018, 01:57:06 PM
He's on fire at the moment I'm so pleased for him long may it continue.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: mr underhill on January 21, 2018, 02:31:49 PM
Ive been very vocal in my criticism of Hogan but I'm delighted that he appears to have rammed my words of condemnation down my throat. Long may it continue and I thought he was desperately unlucky not to get a hat trick yesterday.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 21, 2018, 02:40:09 PM
Is there a bit of Bent about this guy, a poacher but does not bring much else to the game?
Donít get me wrong, I am more than happy with that as long as we continue to play to his strength.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 21, 2018, 02:43:14 PM
He works way harder than Darren Bent in my opinion. And Iím talking about the pre injury one. With Bent for the most part you had cater to his game. Hogan compliments the overall approach to play and now on form is a clinical final piece to many of or moves.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: tomd2103 on January 21, 2018, 04:31:58 PM
He reached rock bottom at Middlesbrough I thought. Had a poor game and stopped even showing for the ball. RHM came on, changed the game and it looked a bit ominous for Hogan.

Since then he seemed to shake himself out of it and looked a different player. Maybe some fresh ideas for Agnew helped him.

I think Grealish moving into midfield has also helped him.  Before that, the emphasis was very much on the lone striker holding the ball up and they were often isolated  which didn't suit his game at all.

Grealish has been carrying the ball forward from midfield which has meant Hogan can make runs in behind rather than be the focal point. 
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: levico on January 21, 2018, 05:23:12 PM
He works way harder than Darren Bent in my opinion. And Iím talking about the pre injury one. With Bent for the most part you had cater to his game. Hogan compliments the overall approach to play and now on form is a clinical final piece to many of or moves.

Couldnít agree more. I watched him closely yesterday and for me he was our hardest worker.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Matt Collins on January 23, 2018, 09:32:36 PM
Apparently he touched the ball 12 times on Saturday. Yet could easily have had a hat trick

That still sounds extremely unusual. But itís definitely only possible if youíre playing much more through midfield. Previously we were very much going back to front and playing from there

I think that has to be down to grealish, Agnew and probably above all confidence

But Keinan will still have a massive role to play as it wonít work every week
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 23, 2018, 09:39:46 PM
Apparently he touched the ball 12 times on Saturday. Yet could easily have had a hat trick

That still sounds extremely unusual. But itís definitely only possible if youíre playing much more through midfield. Previously we were very much going back to front and playing from there

I think that has to be down to grealish, Agnew and probably above all confidence

But Keinan will still have a massive role to play as it wonít work every week
12 times, is what I was alluding to, he does not do hold up or build up play.( not sure he can)
He is a poacher and they thrive on quick ball and getting on the end of things.
As someone who had written him off I am delighted that he is now performing and long may it continue.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Matt Collins on January 23, 2018, 09:42:28 PM
Thereís not being a hold up player and thereís barely touching the ball

Three successful passes all game according to the below. Thatís pretty extraordinary. And I canít really see him doing anything at premier league level with that sort of contribution. But itís working at the moment.

https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/1192524/LiveStatistics/England-Championship-2017-2018-Aston-Villa-Barnsley
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Ads on January 23, 2018, 09:48:03 PM
Apparently he touched the ball 12 times on Saturday. Yet could easily have had a hat trick

That still sounds extremely unusual. But itís definitely only possible if youíre playing much more through midfield. Previously we were very much going back to front and playing from there

I think that has to be down to grealish, Agnew and probably above all confidence

But Keinan will still have
What about when he held the ball up following a clearence from their corner and drove the game on 30 yards, knocking it right to Grealish who squared it to Hourihane, who slotted wide. That was excellent hold up play.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Matt Collins on January 23, 2018, 09:55:18 PM
I guess that was one of the three

Or those stats are bollocks
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Newby on January 23, 2018, 10:06:10 PM
He only needed three touches for his goals and the effort that hit the post.  Data is often awry. One touch, goal. I'm happy with that.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: stuart445 on January 27, 2018, 03:21:10 PM
is it the grealish factor ere playing more balls to feet than slinging it in that's brought the change of fortunes, I don't know , but I like it.

3 of Hogans 4 goals have been with his head. 

Glad he is started scoring fingers crossed it continues.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: eamonn on January 27, 2018, 05:19:07 PM
He'll get the winner at Bramall Lane and then be awarded the Championship's Player of the Month for Jan thus completing a crazy 12 months. His star finally on the rise a year after we bought him.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Diablo on January 27, 2018, 07:24:17 PM
He'll get the winner at Bramall Lane and then be awarded the Championship's Player of the Month for Jan thus completing a crazy 12 months. His star finally on the rise a year after we bought him.
I'm lovin' your optimism. Fingers crossed - it would be a nice story.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Tom_Mc9? on February 04, 2018, 10:11:45 AM
Five in five now. I don't care how many times he touches the ball if it goes in. Excellent attitude and the hard work by the midfield to create the chances for him has finally seen him turn into an asset. Long may it continue.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: claret+blue ed on February 04, 2018, 10:20:58 AM
Hogan has definitely proved that if you continue to work hard, even if it isn't going your way, in time the results will come

It isn't a surprise though that if the team tries to play football the right way, strikers like hogan will thrive, I think this has a lot to do with grealish being fit and back in the team
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Brend'Watkins on February 04, 2018, 11:30:39 AM
He really worked hard yesterday, covered well for Grealish on a few occasions too.  Johnson still humped the ball up to him too often mind.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: He wears a magic hat on February 05, 2018, 11:01:11 AM
I'm not a Hogan fan. Far from it in fact. But one thing I will never moan about is his work rate and effort. That simply can not be faulted.

Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: 260475 on February 05, 2018, 11:03:32 AM
Like him, improving all the time as confidence builds
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Drummond on February 05, 2018, 12:52:14 PM
I remember saying in the early part of the season that Hogan would benefit from Grealish being in the side.

I also remember Bruce talking about Grealish being the key and it's proving so. Because he's playing well it's giving Hogan, and others, the opportunity to score and get into more dangerous positions.

Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: tomd2103 on February 05, 2018, 01:10:40 PM
Five in five now. I don't care how many times he touches the ball if it goes in. Excellent attitude and the hard work by the midfield to create the chances for him has finally seen him turn into an asset. Long may it continue.

Yep.  He used to frustrate me a lot, but having watched him quite closely in his recent extended run in the side, it is crystal clear what his strengths are.  If he is in the side and we don't play to those strengths then it is hardly his fault. 
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 05, 2018, 11:10:59 PM
Five in five now. I don't care how many times he touches the ball if it goes in. Excellent attitude and the hard work by the midfield to create the chances for him has finally seen him turn into an asset. Long may it continue.

Yep.  He used to frustrate me a lot, but having watched him quite closely in his recent extended run in the side, it is crystal clear what his strengths are.  If he is in the side and we don't play to those strengths then it is hardly his fault.
I still think he is a one  trick pony, he will score goals if you get the all to him in scoring positions.
Itís a good trick though.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Dougs Socks on February 06, 2018, 06:20:17 PM
He needs the ball to feet and played into the channels. Before Grealish returned, we had nobody who could do that. We were trying to change the way he played to suit us and alien to him. Now with a better player playing him in and creating the space for his runs, hes blossoming.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: AV82EC on February 06, 2018, 09:32:17 PM
The other good thing for Hogan is delivery from out wide is so much better from both Snodgrass and Adomah, quicker, faster and less time for the defence to set.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: paul_e on February 07, 2018, 12:24:36 AM
The other good thing for Hogan is delivery from out wide is so much better from both Snodgrass and Adomah, quicker, faster and less time for the defence to set.

That's because we're playing higher up the pitch.  2 months ago they were getting the ball 40-50 yards from goal and having to run 15 yards down the wing before cutting in and delivering a cross, that extra time carrying the ball meant all the space got closed up.  Now we're playing higher they're often taking 1-2 touches before crossing so the defence is still finding its shape and there are gaps for Hogan to exploit.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: martyn ellis on February 07, 2018, 09:43:04 PM
I really admire the fact that Hogan works and works and works, closing down, chasing lost causes, putting defences under pressure, and recently getting some well deserved goals to boot. But what I will never understand is the fact that every single time Johnson boots the ball upfield from a goal kick or a standard clearance, Hogan NEVER gets his head on it. He jumps as high as he can but as he's only a little fella what chance does he have. If you don't believe me, watch on Sunday. Never happens.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Matt Collins on February 07, 2018, 09:50:52 PM
Grealish is key in two ways

He plays the passes through to hogan or the wingers (who then put it on a. Plate for him)

But just as importantly, grealish is key to us getting up the pitch. He moves into pockets and can deal with the ball in tight situations. This means that we donít need Hogan to play as a target man. Which he canít.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Villa Lew on February 08, 2018, 11:55:21 AM
Scott nominated for Championship player of the month, along with Daniel Ayala, James Maddison and Ryan Sessegnon.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Hookeysmith on February 08, 2018, 12:57:35 PM
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Hogan NEVER gets his head on it. He jumps as high as he can but as he's only a little fella what chance does he have

Agreed but makes it even more strange that several of his goals for us have been really good headers. Maybe its easier to get height etc when attacking the ball swung in rather than a huge punt down the middle that allows the brick shithouses (Is it just me but most Championship sides have 2 huge CB's) to pile straight through a CF?
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Ad@m on February 09, 2018, 03:55:12 PM
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Hogan NEVER gets his head on it. He jumps as high as he can but as he's only a little fella what chance does he have

Agreed but makes it even more strange that several of his goals for us have been really good headers. Maybe its easier to get height etc when attacking the ball swung in rather than a huge punt down the middle that allows the brick shithouses (Is it just me but most Championship sides have 2 huge CB's) to pile straight through a CF?

There's also very little point him trying to win headers when the ball's just been punted long - it's not like he can flick it on to anyone when he's up front on his own.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Brassneck on February 09, 2018, 05:34:32 PM
Seeing some suggestions that he may be injured. I hope these are untrue.

I guessed they weren't in today, given the press conference was held on Thursday.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Diablo on February 09, 2018, 05:48:44 PM
Unlucky Scott, keep the scoring going and grab next months award.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: saunders_heroes on February 09, 2018, 06:18:09 PM
Whereís the Hogan injury rumour come from?
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Bad English on February 09, 2018, 06:19:13 PM
Some bloke on Facebook heard from a bloke, I think.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Brassneck on February 09, 2018, 06:51:22 PM
Whereís the Hogan injury rumour come from?
Someone reported it on WM apparently. Fingers crossed it's not true.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Clampy on February 12, 2018, 12:57:45 PM
I think he's another who deserves a mention for yesterday. He bloke didn't stop running in the time he was on the pitch.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Risso on February 12, 2018, 12:59:16 PM
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Hogan NEVER gets his head on it. He jumps as high as he can but as he's only a little fella what chance does he have

Agreed but makes it even more strange that several of his goals for us have been really good headers. Maybe its easier to get height etc when attacking the ball swung in rather than a huge punt down the middle that allows the brick shithouses (Is it just me but most Championship sides have 2 huge CB's) to pile straight through a CF?

There's also very little point him trying to win headers when the ball's just been punted long - it's not like he can flick it on to anyone when he's up front on his own.

There were still quite a few of these yesterday.  He won precisely none of them, so even though we don't do it that often, we really shouldn't bother at all when he's up front by himself.  Not his fault at all, I should add.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Matt Collins on February 20, 2018, 10:43:09 PM
I said before the Fulham game - with grealish out of the side it wonít work with him as a lone striker

He wonít get the service

But just as importantly we end up hoofing balls to him that he canít do anything with

Jack is our only midfielder who can accept the ball in tight positions to get us up the pitch without hitting a front man
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 20, 2018, 10:47:28 PM
I agree, Jack is the key to getting the best out of Hogan. Without him he looks a very mediocre striker again. That header in the second half that was closer to the corner flag was pretty poor.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Percy McCarthy on February 20, 2018, 11:00:28 PM
Grab an is a much more complete player. If we sick with one up front it should be him.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Matt Collins on February 21, 2018, 08:57:19 AM
It has to be Davis or Grabban up top on Saturday

Canít see two up top working as we never look right playing 442
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Chris Smith on February 21, 2018, 09:17:33 AM
I agree, Jack is the key to getting the best out of Hogan. Without him he looks a very mediocre striker again. That header in the second half that was closer to the corner flag was pretty poor.

He mistimed the header, had he connected properly as he has been in recent weeks this debate would probably not be happening. With Albert unavailable we should consider putting Graban on the left which would allow us to play with a similar shape to our recent winning run.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Tony Erdington on February 21, 2018, 09:24:41 AM
No disrespect to Scott but without balls fed through to him he "with the best will in the world" is a passenger, and how long did it take Johnstone to work out the big boot up field was counter productive, as said above if your not playing to Scotts strengths may as well not play him. Mr Bruce!
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: TheMalandro on February 21, 2018, 09:24:42 AM
Grab an is a much more complete player. If we sick with one up front it should be him.

I'd play him with Davis.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Chris Smith on February 21, 2018, 09:59:15 AM
No disrespect to Scott but without balls fed through to him he "with the best will in the world" is a passenger, and how long did it take Johnstone to work out the big boot up field was counter productive, as said above if your not playing to Scotts strengths may as well not play him. Mr Bruce!

I think it is a myth that he only needs balls threaded through to him. Most of his goals for us have been from crosses, he had the chance again last night and mistimed which is just one of those things, another night he would have buried it.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Brend'Watkins on February 21, 2018, 10:40:17 AM
One of the two positives last night was Grabban. He's a very confident lad and a half decent footballer too based on his 45 minutes.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: mr underhill on February 22, 2018, 09:04:18 AM
He certainly took the penalty with aplomb. Should be a starter for Saturday.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: paul_e on February 26, 2018, 10:10:56 AM
No disrespect to Scott but without balls fed through to him he "with the best will in the world" is a passenger, and how long did it take Johnstone to work out the big boot up field was counter productive, as said above if your not playing to Scotts strengths may as well not play him. Mr Bruce!

I think it is a myth that he only needs balls threaded through to him. Most of his goals for us have been from crosses, he had the chance again last night and mistimed which is just one of those things, another night he would have buried it.

I agree that it's a myth but I also think your missing something as well.  It's about tempo/timing.  Grealish turns us into a side where we can play 2-3 passes and create a chance from nowhere (even if he isn't directly involved they know he's the threat and his movement catches them).  Hogan responds to that and moves well in the space that gets created in those little bursts.  Once Grealish isn't there we look predictable and pedestrian so defenders have to time to find their position and those gaps aren't around so Hogan has nowhere to play.  This is why we have to find a like-for-like option and why so many people want o'hare to get a chance, it may or may not work but he does a similar job for the U23s so he has the skillset at least.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: LeeB on February 26, 2018, 10:24:52 AM
No disrespect to Scott but without balls fed through to him he "with the best will in the world" is a passenger, and how long did it take Johnstone to work out the big boot up field was counter productive, as said above if your not playing to Scotts strengths may as well not play him. Mr Bruce!

I think it is a myth that he only needs balls threaded through to him. Most of his goals for us have been from crosses, he had the chance again last night and mistimed which is just one of those things, another night he would have buried it.

I agree that it's a myth but I also think your missing something as well.  It's about tempo/timing.  Grealish turns us into a side where we can play 2-3 passes and create a chance from nowhere (even if he isn't directly involved they know he's the threat and his movement catches them).  Hogan responds to that and moves well in the space that gets created in those little bursts.  Once Grealish isn't there we look predictable and pedestrian so defenders have to time to find their position and those gaps aren't around so Hogan has nowhere to play.  This is why we have to find a like-for-like option and why so many people want o'hare to get a chance, it may or may not work but he does a similar job for the U23s so he has the skillset at least.

Or we need a more adaptable centre forward.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Risso on February 26, 2018, 11:10:11 AM
Grabban looks better than Hogan at every area of the game if you ask me. Just about every game he plays Hogan has miles fewer touches than every other player on the pitch, for either team.  He might run around chasing lost causes like a puppy with a balloon, but that's of little use really.  Even when he had that brief spell of scoring a few, he added very little else up front. 
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: paul_e on February 26, 2018, 11:13:06 AM
Or we need a more adaptable centre forward.

Of course.  Personally I'd like to see us try the o'hare/hogan combo with Grabban on the left (if AA and Grealish are still out) before we drop Hogan but either works, how we've started the last 3 games just doesn't help anyone.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Risso on February 26, 2018, 11:17:27 AM
Or we need a more adaptable centre forward.

Of course.  Personally I'd like to see us try the o'hare/hogan combo with Grabban on the left (if AA and Grealish are still out) before we drop Hogan but either works, how we've started the last 3 games just doesn't help anyone.

We really need Adomah and Grealish back ASAP, as I think with them feeding Grabban, we'd go back to comfortably seeing off teams.  A better team than Sheffield Wednesday would have battered us on Saturday. 
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Mister E on February 26, 2018, 01:36:38 PM
Grabban and Hogan actually worked well together, I thought, on Saturday although it wouldn't be something I'd persist with when AA and JG are back. Grabban has more physical presence and works across the defensive line vey well; I'd like to see him paired with JG and AA when available.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Dave P on February 26, 2018, 02:03:25 PM
Has to be Grealish behind Adomah, Grabban and Snodgrass when all fit imo.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: tomd2103 on February 26, 2018, 02:14:27 PM
Has to be Grealish behind Adomah, Grabban and Snodgrass when all fit imo.

Yeah I think we will go back to the 4-1-4-1 formation when Grealish and Adomah return.  Until they do though, playing 2 up front might be our best option. 
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: jeowje on February 26, 2018, 04:38:45 PM
Does anyone know when the aforementioned pair will be back? Iíve skimmed through a few threads but canít find any mention??
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Dave P on February 26, 2018, 04:44:44 PM
Does anyone know when the aforementioned pair will be back? Iíve skimmed through a few threads but canít find any mention??

There is a chance for Saturday apparently but we'll wait for more news before we get too excited.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on February 26, 2018, 05:24:07 PM
Grabban looks better than Hogan at every area of the game if you ask me. Just about every game he plays Hogan has miles fewer touches than every other player on the pitch, for either team. 

I'd be surprised if those numbers are correct as Hogan needs at least two touches to control the ball. I still like him but we really do miss a proper centre forward.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Matt Collins on March 04, 2018, 05:23:40 PM
The fact we could win so many games playing one up front who barely touches the ball, is testimony to quite how good grealish has been
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: mr underhill on March 08, 2018, 07:23:19 AM
Scotty seems to have turned to shit again - what's going on?
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Risso on March 08, 2018, 07:56:50 AM
Heís just an extremely limited player. If everybody is fit heíll hopefully be dropped this weekend.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Chris Smith on March 08, 2018, 08:06:02 AM
Scotty seems to have turned to shit again - what's going on?

It is probably not a coincidence that his scoring dried up when Grealish and Adomah were injured. We are able to stretch teams and therefore create more space with those two.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: chrisw1 on March 08, 2018, 01:28:10 PM
Scotty seems to have turned to shit again - what's going on?

It is probably not a coincidence that his scoring dried up when Grealish and Adomah were injured. We are able to stretch teams and therefore create more space with those two.
Exactly.  And if Albert & Jack start on Saturday I'd be fine with Hogan starting too.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Clampy on March 08, 2018, 01:41:05 PM
I'm not sure I'd play them both on Saturday though. I don't think we'd be  strong enough in the middle of the park against them.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on March 08, 2018, 01:45:45 PM
Exactly.  And if Albert & Jack start on Saturday I'd be fine with Hogan starting too.

Not at the expense of Grabban or a midfielder.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: chrisw1 on March 08, 2018, 01:57:06 PM
Exactly.  And if Albert & Jack start on Saturday I'd be fine with Hogan starting too.

Not at the expense of Grabban or a midfielder.
It should be Grabban or Hogan, not both.  Personally I lean towards Grabban, but would be fine with Hogan starting with Grabban to come off the bench.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: footyskillz on March 23, 2018, 05:16:18 PM
Hogan starts v turkey today. Good luck to him and hoping no injury. Hourihane also in starting line up.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Bad English on March 25, 2018, 11:57:11 AM
Hogan starts v turkey today. Good luck to him and hoping no injury. Hourihane also in starting line up.
He will gobble those balls up.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: eamonn on March 25, 2018, 12:47:25 PM
Had one decent chance and missed it, chasing onto a ball but took it too wide of the goalie. Didn't see much but imagine Hourihane was quiet as ever without the howitzers.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 25, 2018, 04:18:15 PM
Hourihane set up Hogan's chance apparently.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: adrenachrome on March 25, 2018, 04:36:47 PM
Hourihane set up Hogan's chance apparently.


That was Hendrick according to SportsJoeIE

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Scott Hogan - 5.5

Making his international debut, the Aston Villa forward spurned a glorious chance to score the opener after 20 minutes. Beating the offside trap to latch onto Hendrick's defence-splitting pass, Hogan's heavy touch rounded the keeper but closed the angle, from which he could only blast the side-netting.

That was Ireland's best chance and the brightest moment from one of our attacking players, but it's a shame the clinical edge was lacking.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on March 25, 2018, 05:40:43 PM
So once again , Hogans` no hero
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Pete3206 on March 25, 2018, 09:54:23 PM
Hogan starts v turkey today. Good luck to him and hoping no injury. Hourihane also in starting line up.

He will gobble those balls up.


(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-D_cbZdZRuC8/Vp6g82ENKwI/AAAAAAAAG64/w6vnRyNYVPA/s1600/4986448_ori.jpg)
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: mr underhill on April 02, 2018, 07:16:03 AM
we've got to move Scotty on in the summer for his sake and ours even if that means taking a haircut on him
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 02, 2018, 01:18:07 PM
A haircut?
I think it will be a bit more than a haircut, unless we can find a Drunken Sailor Chariman option.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: CT on April 02, 2018, 01:23:22 PM
Definitely a fringe player.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: AsTallAsLions on April 02, 2018, 01:29:40 PM
Waste.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Clampy on April 02, 2018, 01:31:20 PM
I'd play him tomorrow. Since the Wolves game, Grabban has looked a bit lost on his own up front.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Zouch Villa on April 02, 2018, 01:36:29 PM
we've got to move Scotty on in the summer for his sake and ours even if that means taking a haircut on him

Iím sure Bruce will mullet over.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 02, 2018, 01:37:46 PM
we've got to move Scotty on in the summer for his sake and ours even if that means taking a haircut on him

Iím sure Bruce will mullet over.
He needs time to gel
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 03, 2018, 12:34:50 AM
Hopefully we can sell him for a decent wedge.

*One for the youngsters there.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: TheMalandro on April 03, 2018, 08:06:38 AM
Aston villa? He's more Barnet.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Risso on April 03, 2018, 08:34:25 AM
He couldnít hit a duckís arse with a banjo.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: eamonn on April 03, 2018, 11:06:35 AM
Whairs the pun there?
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Mister E on April 03, 2018, 12:35:10 PM
we've got to move Scotty on in the summer for his sake and ours even if that means taking a haircut on him

Iím sure Bruce will mullet over.
He's a fringe player.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: brian green on April 03, 2018, 12:47:20 PM
Some of us may comb over to liking him.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Clampy on April 03, 2018, 12:49:31 PM
To be fair, he did look good on the You Tube highlights.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Ads on April 03, 2018, 12:53:19 PM
His form has tapered out recently, but he looked good with those square cut balls from Albert. You need him running down the back and sides as it not, he's a 4 all over, at best.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on April 03, 2018, 01:18:45 PM
His goals will be vitalis in the playoffs
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: LeeB on April 03, 2018, 01:26:54 PM
He needs to find some form Sassoon.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: CT on April 03, 2018, 01:27:57 PM
we've got to move Scotty on in the summer for his sake and ours even if that means taking a haircut on him

Iím sure Bruce will mullet over.
He's a fringe player.

Already claimed "fringe" (see 8 above) - You'll need to think of another one!! 😀

I certainly wouldn't say he's Head & Shoulders above Grabban in the pecking order for strikers.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Simon Page on April 03, 2018, 01:35:05 PM
If it's curtains for him at Villa we'll lose a few bob on the deal.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 03, 2018, 01:38:34 PM
He tryís to run with his hair and hunt with the hounds.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on April 03, 2018, 01:43:53 PM
If he curls in a brace in the play off final you could perm any one of two to be goal of the season
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Simon Page on April 03, 2018, 01:47:28 PM
It's more likely he won't have any plans for the weekend. Should be able to afford a nice holiday though.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: papa lazarou on April 03, 2018, 02:32:12 PM
Credit to the man for not moaning about starting many games, he knows how to beehive.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: mr underhill on April 03, 2018, 03:00:32 PM
i've spent ten minutes combing through this ridiculous punathon
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Zouch Villa on April 03, 2018, 03:03:52 PM
Still think he would perform well in a flat top two with Kodjia.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Mister E on April 03, 2018, 06:19:22 PM
we've got to move Scotty on in the summer for his sake and ours even if that means taking a haircut on him

I’m sure Bruce will mullet over.
He's a fringe player.

Already claimed "fringe" (see 8 above) - You'll need to think of another one!! 😀

I certainly wouldn't say he's Head & Shoulders above Grabban in the pecking order for strikers.
Cut it out, or I'll have to trim your contributions, cut out the specific item you refer to and hang you out to dry.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: j66acd on April 03, 2018, 06:23:13 PM
I think heíd benefit from having a 2nd striker up top with him. Someone like Niall Quiff
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: j66acd on April 03, 2018, 06:25:30 PM
Mohican finish pretty much anything in the 6 yard box though.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Mister E on April 03, 2018, 07:27:10 PM
I've heard he's had a brush with the law
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Mister E on April 03, 2018, 07:27:40 PM
Mohican finish pretty much anything in the 6 yard box though.
Yeah, but he's too short - crap in the hair.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on April 03, 2018, 08:06:08 PM
Maybe tonight's game will be his part-in shot
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Tayls_7 on April 03, 2018, 08:52:07 PM
I thought he was blending in nicely with the rest of the crew.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 03, 2018, 09:18:05 PM
Can't wait to see the highlights.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on April 03, 2018, 09:20:47 PM
The keeper was just brushed aside there
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: mr underhill on April 04, 2018, 07:24:07 AM
I really wish I hadn't started this  - but I must say his goal was a cut above. Well done Scotty.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: brian green on April 04, 2018, 07:35:51 AM
If we win this league, with all his trophies John Terry is going to need long sideboards.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Randy Gurner on August 12, 2018, 02:07:52 PM
How long is he out for?
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: oldtimernow on August 12, 2018, 03:22:24 PM
3months shorter than Richards?
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: jwarry on August 12, 2018, 03:33:27 PM
When did he get this groin injury? Did he have it last season? Which would explain why he was so crap 😃
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 12, 2018, 05:15:18 PM
When did he get this groin injury? Did he have it last season? Which would explain why he was so crap 😃
I think itís because his legs are too short for his body.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: footyskillz on October 04, 2018, 09:10:29 PM
Remember him?
Called up to the Ireland squad for the Denmark and Wales matches

Wonder if he'll perfom under new management
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on October 04, 2018, 09:18:05 PM
He must be happier than any of us to see the back of Bruce.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: footyskillz on October 04, 2018, 09:22:01 PM
He must be happier than any of us to see the back of Bruce.

Even happier if Dean Smith comes in right
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 04, 2018, 10:20:40 PM
Remember him?
Called up to the Ireland squad for the Denmark and Wales matches

Wonder if he'll perfom under new management

Poor bastard. 18 months of Bruce and then just as Bruce gets binned and things are looking up for him he gets MON.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: brian green on October 04, 2018, 10:33:40 PM
Be careful PWS.  MON once read law.  A book called The Law And Jake Wade.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Nii Lamptey on October 11, 2018, 12:00:45 AM
A certain Mr Hogan should be pleased by this appointment. Certainly doesn't pull any punches when asked about Brucey here....

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-6262913/Aston-Villa-Scott-Hogan-accuses-Steve-Bruce-false-promises.html
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Drummond on October 11, 2018, 12:02:01 AM
'It (a 4-1-4-1 formation) led to less chances, less touches in the box. But I did what the manager asked me to do, he only ever asked me to work hard.'
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 11, 2018, 12:04:38 AM
'It (a 4-1-4-1 formation) led to less chances, less touches in the box. But I did what the manager asked me to do, he only ever asked me to work hard.'

Roll your sleeves up. Fuck me what a forward thinking tactic that is.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: footyskillz on October 11, 2018, 12:16:15 AM
I'll put up his direct quotes
 
Headline :
My head wasn't completely in it:' Scott Hogan accuses Steve Bruce of false promises at Aston Villa

 'The most difficult thing in football is not playing when you're fit. The second most difficult is playing in a system where there is just no way on this earth it's suited to you, you are hung out to dry a little bit.


'It (a 4-1-4-1 formation) led to less chances, less touches in the box. But I did what the manager asked me to do, he only ever asked me to work hard.

'I knocked on his door a couple of days before the window shut just to find out what was going on. Sheff United were very interested.

I wasn't allowed to leave. He was adamant that he didn't want me to go, he said I had a future playing as a striker and I was assured we were going to change the way we were playing.

'So it was disappointing for me two days later when he signed a striker and nothing changed at all.

'I then had an injury, which didn't help, but for the past five weeks I've been fit. So it's frustrating, but it's more frustrating when there is no answer. If you have a reason why you're not playing, you can go and work on it.

'People say you've got to be professional, train your best and all that, but it's difficult because you know you're not getting anything out of it. My head wasn't completely in it if I'm honest, because you knew no matter what you did that week, you weren't going to play, so there was nothing you could do except go home.'

But whoever it is, it doesn't matter, you've got a clean slate. Lads who have been playing will be fearing for places and lads who haven't will be thinking, "This is my chance to establish myself in the team now, get the club to where it belongs and become a hero". Hopefully I can be one of those people.'
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: TheMalandro on October 11, 2018, 04:10:12 AM
There you go. That says everything about Steve Bruce.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: wittonwarrior on October 11, 2018, 04:32:47 AM
Might start with a  clean slate with the management but has all to prove.  He just does not look a 20 goals per season striker.  Will take a complete change  of tactics for him to receive positive service not sure if that is  just a step too far.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: mr underhill on October 11, 2018, 07:20:14 AM
I'm not Scotty's biggest fan but let's see what a change of managerial philosophy might bring.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: PeterWithe on October 11, 2018, 07:35:06 AM
Scottís problem is that if we build a system to accommodate one forward, heís not good enough to be it.

Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: nigel on October 11, 2018, 07:42:20 AM
Might start with a  clean slate with the management but has all to prove. He just does not look a 20 goals per season striker.  Will take a complete change  of tactics for him to receive positive service not sure if that is  just a step too far.


In fairness Harry Kane wouldn't have looked a 20 goal per season striker the way we were playing!!


Pair Hogan with Abraham up front, El Gazi and Bolasie wide with Jack linking in behind
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: manic-road on October 11, 2018, 07:51:21 AM
Any player left out by a manager is going to have a gripe, is Hogan really better than Tammy or Kodjia?

He can have no excuses now with the Dean Smith as manager, and if he's good enough he'll get a chance.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: jwarry on October 11, 2018, 07:58:12 AM
There you go. That says everything about Steve Bruce.

Players not playing are going to moan, but yes thatís quite an indictment
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Villafirst on October 11, 2018, 09:14:59 AM
Scottís problem is that if we build a system to accommodate one forward, heís not good enough to be it.



I disagree, he was a free scoring forward at Brentford. Bruce had no confidence in him, no wonder Hogan got fed up. Interesting that Scott said he's been ready to play for 5 weeks. Bruce kept saying "he's not quite ready" for the last month or so. Bruce has gone down in my estimation.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 11, 2018, 09:17:51 AM
Scottís problem is that if we build a system to accommodate one forward, heís not good enough to be it.



Iíd like to think the team will now tactically adapt to who is playing up front versus playing just playing one way irrespective of who our strikers are.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: paul_e on October 11, 2018, 12:04:31 PM
Scottís problem is that if we build a system to accommodate one forward, heís not good enough to be it.

I disagree, he was a free scoring forward at Brentford. Bruce had no confidence in him, no wonder Hogan got fed up. Interesting that Scott said he's been ready to play for 5 weeks. Bruce kept saying "he's not quite ready" for the last month or so. Bruce has gone down in my estimation.

Bruce's bullshit about players almost always coincides with a transfer window. If Hogan was fit 5 weeks ago then the board may not have let him sign Tammy, so lie about it and then leave Hogan in limbo for another month to prove that we had to get Tammy in.  Think back, he fucked us up in the striker department in his first window to ensure he got the money for Hogan, he spoke about building his team around Grealish at 10 as soon as he got injured (despite giving him about 10 minutes there in the 9-10 months to that point) so he could get Snodgrass. Kodjia was probably out for the rest of the season in Early December before coming back into full training at the end of Feb and eing available for the last 8-9 games. I'm fairly sure he said something about Jedinak before we signed Whelan as well.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Bad English on October 11, 2018, 12:06:57 PM
A certain Mr Hogan should be pleased by this appointment. Certainly doesn't pull any punches when asked about Brucey here....

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-6262913/Aston-Villa-Scott-Hogan-accuses-Steve-Bruce-false-promises.html
#dontbuythedailymail
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: TheMalandro on October 11, 2018, 12:08:28 PM
A certain Mr Hogan should be pleased by this appointment. Certainly doesn't pull any punches when asked about Brucey here....

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-6262913/Aston-Villa-Scott-Hogan-accuses-Steve-Bruce-false-promises.html
#dontbuythedailymail

Buy The Mail. It helps with identification.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: WarszaVillan82 on October 11, 2018, 12:11:58 PM
Hogan points out what we all could see, he can't play as the loan striker. He needs to play as part of a front two and I could see him working well with Abraham. The problem is I can't work out how you get a system with two up front and Jack in the team. Over to the new manager.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: john2710 on October 11, 2018, 12:16:29 PM
Why Bruce bought Hogan is a complete mystery,  he was never going to perform if asked to work in a completely different structure. Almost as strange as not replacing centre-half 's you sell.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: UK Redsox on October 11, 2018, 12:19:40 PM
Hogan points out what we all could see, he can't play as the loan striker. He needs to play as part of a front two and I could see him working well with Abraham. The problem is I can't work out how you get a system with two up front and Jack in the team. Over to the new manager.

If it is to be two up top, regardless of whether one is Hogan or not, then I think Jack will have to nominally continue as one of the wide players, albeit with licence to roam a bit.

ie a one winger / one roamer formation, which should be OK going forward but might get a bit complicated defensively

Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Drummond on October 11, 2018, 12:23:15 PM
Hogan points out what we all could see, he can't play as the loan striker. He needs to play as part of a front two and I could see him working well with Abraham. The problem is I can't work out how you get a system with two up front and Jack in the team. Over to the new manager.

No, that's Tammy Abraham's role.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: garyshawsknee on October 11, 2018, 12:23:19 PM
Also if we have more possession of the ball, win it back higher up the pitch, we may be able to fit in two strikers with Jack.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: passport1 on October 11, 2018, 12:32:15 PM
Just the usual gripes from an out of favour player. A not very good one at that.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: kieron on October 11, 2018, 12:44:42 PM
Just the usual gripes from an out of favour player. A not very good one at that.

So his 20+ goals for Brentford were some kind of fluke or something?
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Hookeysmith on October 11, 2018, 01:04:42 PM
Just the usual gripes from an out of favour player. A not very good one at that.

Did you see the games that Hogan played - or was you like the rest of us watching the ball flying either at him or over his head from 40 yards away.

That moron Bruce would have "coached" Messi and Ronaldo into submission
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 11, 2018, 07:22:23 PM
I think thatís fair enough from Hogan and most pertinent is to remember Bruce bought him and claimed heíd watched him for years. If you want anymore evidence around Bruceís incompetence itís purchasing Hogan and then playing a game completely unsuited to him.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: berneboy on October 11, 2018, 07:27:39 PM
Hogan points out what we all could see, he can't play as the loan striker. He needs to play as part of a front two and I could see him working well with Abraham. The problem is I can't work out how you get a system with two up front and Jack in the team. Over to the new manager.
We already have two loan strikers, I believe.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: hilts_coolerking on October 11, 2018, 08:42:59 PM
I know we didn't play to Hogan's strengths and his confidence was probably low as a result but I've never been that impressed by him.  The one I hope will really thrive is Grealish.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Villafirst on October 11, 2018, 08:59:11 PM
Bruce has ruined so many players! The list grows. Thank God he's out of the club, totally useless! He's even made Jack look mediocre! Hogan should have a new lease of life with Smith at the helm.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on October 11, 2018, 09:13:20 PM
Didn't Smith play 4-2-3-1 at Brentford, with Hogan as the 1? If so, the problem here wasn't him playing up on his own, but that there was nobody behind feeding him with appropriate passes. He's no target man.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: themossman on October 11, 2018, 09:21:12 PM
Yep says it all. Not content with wasting money we didnít have on a player he had no idea how to accommodate, he didnít give him the dignity of knowing what to work on, or leaving when there were clubs in for him.   
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Villafirst on October 11, 2018, 10:02:52 PM
Just the usual gripes from an out of favour player. A not very good one at that.

I don't blame Hogan at all. More like a useless Manager not knowing how to play him. Hogan scored 21 in 27 games for Brentford playing for a Manager knowing his strengths.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: ColinMac on October 12, 2018, 12:25:05 AM
Hogan has to take a little responsibility himself, he signed for Villa knowing Bruce was the manager and knowing how Bruce's Villa (the same as every other Bruce team in history) played, did he ask how he would fit in or if the team would be playing to his strengths or did he just see the £££s on the contract.

 
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on October 12, 2018, 12:43:08 AM
Hogan has to take a little responsibility himself, he signed for Villa knowing Bruce was the manager and knowing how Bruce's Villa (the same as every other Bruce team in history) played, did he ask how he would fit in or if the team would be playing to his strengths or did he just see the £££s on the contract.

 

Not really.

"Do you want to come to work for us, we'll pay you £4 million over a three year contract"
"Yes, but what if I'm unsuitable for the culture of the organisation and the move turns out to be bad for both of us?"
"You will still be entitled to the full £4 million. And that's on top of all the cash you must have had piling up while you were playing for Stocksbridge Park Steels six years ago, before you got your big money move to Ashton United."
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Matt Collins on October 12, 2018, 05:49:02 AM
Hogan points out what we all could see, he can't play as the loan striker. He needs to play as part of a front two and I could see him working well with Abraham. The problem is I can't work out how you get a system with two up front and Jack in the team. Over to the new manager.

He played as a lone striker for Brentford

I think I've posted this about five times on this thread now so should probably stop
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Ad@m on October 12, 2018, 05:53:34 AM
Hogan points out what we all could see, he can't play as the loan striker. He needs to play as part of a front two and I could see him working well with Abraham. The problem is I can't work out how you get a system with two up front and Jack in the team. Over to the new manager.

He played as a lone striker for Brentford

I think I've posted this about five times on this thread now so should probably stop

Absolutely. Hogan could work just fine as a loan striker as long as the midfield is given licence to get forward and support him, something they never had under Bruce.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: cheltenhamlion on October 12, 2018, 06:37:14 AM
There are a couple of things here. Firstly, we don't only have to play one way. More importantly it tells you all you need to know about Bruce and his bollocks re tracking Hogan for years and the outright lies about his fitness in press conferences.

I stick by my assessment that Bruce is a chancer and a bullshitter, with the squad building capacity of a hermit.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Matt Collins on October 12, 2018, 07:11:13 AM
Or

Players have a tendency to overstate their level of fitness because they want to play
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: mr underhill on October 12, 2018, 07:28:35 AM
or that the truth is somewhere between the two.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: SoccerHQ on October 12, 2018, 07:45:59 AM
Scottís problem is that if we build a system to accommodate one forward, heís not good enough to be it.

I disagree, he was a free scoring forward at Brentford. Bruce had no confidence in him, no wonder Hogan got fed up. Interesting that Scott said he's been ready to play for 5 weeks. Bruce kept saying "he's not quite ready" for the last month or so. Bruce has gone down in my estimation.

Bruce's bullshit about players almost always coincides with a transfer window. If Hogan was fit 5 weeks ago then the board may not have let him sign Tammy, so lie about it and then leave Hogan in limbo for another month to prove that we had to get Tammy in.  Think back, he fucked us up in the striker department in his first window to ensure he got the money for Hogan, he spoke about building his team around Grealish at 10 as soon as he got injured (despite giving him about 10 minutes there in the 9-10 months to that point) so he could get Snodgrass. Kodjia was probably out for the rest of the season in Early December before coming back into full training at the end of Feb and eing available for the last 8-9 games. I'm fairly sure he said something about Jedinak before we signed Whelan as well.

Interesting theory. Surely though Xia and Wyness could've just had a work with the physio to see what the real state of fitness was.

I maintain SB just looked at the championship scoring charts, saw Hogan's name, thought he must be good and signed him. Similar to us getting in McCormack.

A name for this level without any idea how to fit him into the system as he now confirms.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: dave shelley on October 12, 2018, 08:22:46 AM
Hogan has to take a little responsibility himself, he signed for Villa knowing Bruce was the manager and knowing how Bruce's Villa (the same as every other Bruce team in history) played, did he ask how he would fit in or if the team would be playing to his strengths or did he just see the £££s on the contract.

 

A friend of mine, a Brentford supporter told me that the money received for Hogan went quite a long way towards keeping Brentford afloat so he may just have been encouraged to join us, wages notwithstanding.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: DB on October 12, 2018, 08:43:46 AM
Hogan has to take a little responsibility himself, he signed for Villa knowing Bruce was the manager and knowing how Bruce's Villa (the same as every other Bruce team in history) played, did he ask how he would fit in or if the team would be playing to his strengths or did he just see the £££s on the contract.

 



A friend of mine, a Brentford supporter told me that the money received for Hogan went quite a long way towards keeping Brentford afloat so he may just have been encouraged to join us, wages notwithstanding.

Maybe they should name a stand after him them in their new stadium.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: robleflaneur on October 12, 2018, 11:24:06 AM
I think thatís fair enough from Hogan and most pertinent is to remember Bruce bought him and claimed heíd watched him for years. If you want anymore evidence around Bruceís incompetence itís purchasing Hogan and then playing a game completely unsuited to him.
Nails Bruce completely.A striker needs a supply line.Ours was launching the ball or getting crosses in.Anyone who watched Hogan for 30 minutes,would realise he was not suited to that style.Either adapt the style or don't waste a big transfer fee on such a player.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: footyskillz on October 12, 2018, 11:34:52 AM
Hogan has to take a little responsibility himself, he signed for Villa knowing Bruce was the manager and knowing how Bruce's Villa (the same as every other Bruce team in history) played, did he ask how he would fit in or if the team would be playing to his strengths or did he just see the £££s on the contract.

Also remember Brentford took a decent fee so they didn't really want to turn that down did they .
Player would not have been averse to coming villa but Brentford taking £12 to 15 million was what they are about .
A business sense move
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Matt Collins on October 13, 2018, 01:53:12 PM
I think thatís fair enough from Hogan and most pertinent is to remember Bruce bought him and claimed heíd watched him for years. If you want anymore evidence around Bruceís incompetence itís purchasing Hogan and then playing a game completely unsuited to him.
Nails Bruce completely.A striker needs a supply line.Ours was launching the ball or getting crosses in.Anyone who watched Hogan for 30 minutes,would realise he was not suited to that style.Either adapt the style or don't waste a big transfer fee on such a player.

It really was a very odd transfer

Bruce had even spent the previous two months talking about a target man, and wanting to play Kodjia wide. He even tried to play Gabby there.

And then he signed Hogan. It just never seemed to make sense. And that was borne out
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on October 13, 2018, 02:18:23 PM
Also remember Brentford took a decent fee so they didn't really want to turn that down did they .
Player would not have been averse to coming villa but Brentford taking £12 to 15 million was what they are about .
A business sense move

More like 9m i believe
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: mr underhill on October 13, 2018, 03:23:55 PM
Doesn't Dean play with one up front? If so Scott's going to slug it out with Abraham with Kodjia on the left and Bolasie (when fully fit) on the right.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Matt Collins on October 13, 2018, 05:29:20 PM
Yeah I think he will play one up

Hard to play the kind of football he wants with two up, unless you got 352 or a diamond
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: dcdavecollett on October 13, 2018, 10:11:11 PM
If Bruce lied re Hogan, perhaps he threw RHM under the bus after Yeovil for the same reason?
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Matt Collins on October 14, 2018, 06:28:32 AM
Hogan didn't kick a ball in pre season

I really don't think it's odd that he wasn't considered match fit
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: footyskillz on October 14, 2018, 12:05:04 PM
Hogan also up against Kodjia and Abraham for a starting role .
Possibly best two strikers in the league.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 14, 2018, 05:57:14 PM
Hogan didn't kick a ball in pre season

I really don't think it's odd that he wasn't considered match fit

So why not give him minutes with the reserves? Considering how often Bruce lied and Hogan was telling his international boss he was fit I find the Hogan side more believable.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: wittonwarrior on October 14, 2018, 06:11:39 PM
I do feel for Hogan but it has to be said he certainly didnít shine in any game bar Bristol City at home.  A good player would have made it work. 

Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: chrisw1 on October 14, 2018, 06:15:15 PM
Well we'll see won't we.  I certain Smith will give him a chance and there may be a few people with egg on their face.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: cdbullyweefan on October 14, 2018, 06:17:25 PM
Yes, I'm sure we'll all be devastated if he does well.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 14, 2018, 06:18:32 PM
Last thing I want is Hogan playing well and scoring lots of goals. I much prefer us being shit.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Monty on October 14, 2018, 06:19:33 PM
Well we'll see won't we.  I certain Smith will give him a chance and there may be a few people with egg on their face.

Who...who isn't pleased?
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: chrisw1 on October 14, 2018, 06:41:19 PM
Where's that come from?  Nobody's said people won't be happy if he plays well.  But he's been written off by plenty of people on here and if Smith does get the best out of him those comments will have have proven to be wrong.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Monty on October 14, 2018, 06:57:17 PM
I guess so, that makes more sense. Got a few wires crossed there!
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Drummond on October 15, 2018, 09:35:11 AM
Hogan also up against Kodjia and Abraham for a starting role .
Possibly best three strikers in the league.

Changed ever so slightly..
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on October 15, 2018, 01:36:15 PM
From the goals I've seen, Abraham is a very similar player to Hogan, almost every goal scored in the six yard box. I'm sure with their Chelsea connection, Terry will make sure Abraham has the right attitude. Not sure about how Kodja will work out but he certainly has the talent, somebody just needs to get inside his head and get him playing for the team without killing his eye for goal.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Hookeysmith on October 15, 2018, 03:11:39 PM
Hogan is one of the most miserable players I have ever seen, his whole demeanour was of someone who really did not want to be here - I suppose it is to be expected when your only brief is to work hard and run into channels

Lets see if he starts smiling now
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Drummond on October 15, 2018, 03:37:14 PM
Hogan is one of the most miserable players I have ever seen, his whole demeanour was of someone who really did not want to be here - I suppose it is to be expected when your only brief is to work hard and run into channels

Lets see if he starts smiling now

I'd be fucking miserable in his position too. Having had an attack built around him before then pretty much not being used since a big transfer. Before anyone chips in with him being paid a fortune, it may soften the blow somewhat but the vast majority of footballers like playing the game, not just getting a big wedge every month.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: chrisw1 on October 15, 2018, 03:41:02 PM
Hogan is one of the most miserable players I have ever seen, his whole demeanour was of someone who really did not want to be here - I suppose it is to be expected when your only brief is to work hard and run into channels

Lets see if he starts smiling now
I imagine he hasn't stopped smiling since Bruce was sacked.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 15, 2018, 05:44:04 PM
Hogan is one of the most miserable players I have ever seen, his whole demeanour was of someone who really did not want to be here - I suppose it is to be expected when your only brief is to work hard and run into channels

Lets see if he starts smiling now

I'd be fucking miserable in his position too. Having had an attack built around him before then pretty much not being used since a big transfer. Before anyone chips in with him being paid a fortune, it may soften the blow somewhat but the vast majority of footballers like playing the game, not just getting a big wedge every month.

Imagine coming to work every day and your boss who hired you to do one specific thing, something your resume is built around, something you have proved at a former employer you did very well indeed, puts you in a completely foreign situation at your new company where you donít get utilized correctly and get no support to actually do what you are good at.

Look, Hogan isnít perfect and Iím sure heíll concede he could have done better, but fuck me Bruce completely wasted this opportunity. And as we can all see he found a way to do it with lots of other players at the club, especially the forwards.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: TheMalandro on October 15, 2018, 07:10:52 PM
Hogan is one of the most miserable players I have ever seen, his whole demeanour was of someone who really did not want to be here - I suppose it is to be expected when your only brief is to work hard and run into channels

Lets see if he starts smiling now
I imagine he hasn't stopped smiling since Bruce was sacked.

I've been the same.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Risso on October 15, 2018, 07:44:10 PM
He's got no excuses now.  A manager who has got the best out of him previously, and a style of play that suits him.  I really hope he proves me wrong.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Louzie0 on October 15, 2018, 07:54:24 PM
Iím looking to Saturday and if heís there, great. If heís not, equally, because our new manager is calling it. Maybe later, maybe not.
I just want to give the new manager and assistants the benefit of the doubt on al our players.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Risso on October 15, 2018, 09:05:52 PM
Agreed Lou, clean slates all round.

Apart from Richards, obvs.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: London Villan on October 15, 2018, 09:08:31 PM
Richards would be washing the players car if he was on my payroll.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Louzie0 on October 15, 2018, 09:08:44 PM
Agreed Lou, clean slates all round.

Apart from Richards, obvs.

Apart from him, yes  ;)
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Louzie0 on October 15, 2018, 09:18:06 PM
Although, if Richards suddenly flourished under the new leadership I might say, go for it, sunbeam.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: eamonn on October 15, 2018, 10:28:01 PM
I do wonder, Terry would have watched Richards ''train'' last season, he may well have felt bad for him that he wasn't involved at all and be happy to at least get him training regularly with the first team.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: clash city rocker on October 15, 2018, 10:36:22 PM
I do wonder, Terry would have watched Richards ''train'' last season, he may well have felt bad for him that he wasn't involved at all and be happy to at least get him training regularly with the first team.

Who knows what Terry witnessed last year.j
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: tomd2103 on October 17, 2018, 10:41:18 AM
Didn't impress too much he came on for the Republic of Ireland last night and put in one absolutely woeful cross towards the end.   
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Brend'Watkins on October 17, 2018, 11:09:46 AM
He was awful. Got bollocked by McLean for not collecting a pass to him that was a few feet away. had a tame header straight to their keeper and then the awful cross you mentioned. That was the total of his contribution.  If he's going to start producing anything like we thought he would there is going to have to be a monumental change of attitude.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: chrisw1 on October 17, 2018, 12:00:04 PM
It's a shame.  He has a massive opportunity and you would have expected him to be busting a gut to catch Smith's eye.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Ad@m on October 17, 2018, 12:31:33 PM
It's a shame.  He has a massive opportunity and you would have expected him to be busting a gut to catch Smith's eye.

To be fair, Smith will base his decisions more on what he sees in training than a sub appearance for the ROI.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: chrisw1 on October 17, 2018, 12:40:42 PM
It's a shame.  He has a massive opportunity and you would have expected him to be busting a gut to catch Smith's eye.

To be fair, Smith will base his decisions more on what he sees in training than a sub appearance for the ROI.
He'll base it on everything he sees and a fizzing performance for Ireland would have surely helped his case more than one that lead people to question his attitude?
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: eamonn on October 17, 2018, 12:42:07 PM
It was a fifteen minute cameo for an incredibly limited international team and he won't exactly be sharp from match practice. Let him work with Deano and come Christmas he'll have won us a few points with winning goals, no sweat.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: brontebilly on October 17, 2018, 01:14:10 PM
It was a fifteen minute cameo for an incredibly limited international team and he won't exactly be sharp from match practice. Let him work with Deano and come Christmas he'll have won us a few points with winning goals, no sweat.

Looked to be carrying a bit of timber too

As for MONs Ireland 😫
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 17, 2018, 01:23:18 PM
Hogan isnít going to just walk into our side. And Iím sure just because his former boss is the new one heís not expecting to. Heíll have to prove himself. But like many players in our squad heís been underperforming under a useless lump who never gave him a chance based on the ďtacticsĒ employed. That will change now. Itís up to Hogan (and the others) to make the most of it.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on October 17, 2018, 02:36:22 PM
Agree, TV. Unless Smith decides we've not got the necessary tools to set up to suit Hogan, I have no doubt that we'll set up to suit Hogan. That's how Smith plays, it's how we'll play. It's why we bought Hogan, time to get our money's worth.

Over to you, Scott...
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: footyskillz on October 25, 2018, 10:29:11 PM
Smithy said about Hogan vs Norwich "that he never got the service"

"We never really got the ball down the side of the centre backs which would have been really ideal for Scottie. He made some really good runs that we didn't quite see"

 I put that down to the inept Hourihane who fails in forward passing.
Whelan there to screen and move on the ball
Whereas Hourihane is the more progressive ball playing midfielder supposedly ,but fails to do this.

Grealish too was not making thru balls or passing quick enough to Hogan's runs.


"Though in hindsight kodjia would have been better option "

Smithy assessing things but he got that one wrong playing Hogan  .

 


 
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: mr underhill on October 26, 2018, 11:50:49 AM
Two words - Get. Rid.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Risso on October 26, 2018, 01:19:37 PM
"Scott's not bad at all at linking things up." Oh Dean....
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Clampy on October 26, 2018, 01:41:49 PM
It's going to be interesting to see how he gets on now Smith is here so i'd give him a bit more time but he picks up too many injuries for my liking.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Rudy65 on October 26, 2018, 07:01:57 PM
It's going to be interesting to see how he gets on now Smith is here so i'd give him a bit more time but he picks up too many injuries for my liking.

As we should have known when we signed him.He had two half seasons at Rochdale and Brentford combined and and was often injured during his time at both clubs

I just dont know what he is good at
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Ad@m on October 26, 2018, 07:46:08 PM
It's going to be interesting to see how he gets on now Smith is here so i'd give him a bit more time but he picks up too many injuries for my liking.

As we should have known when we signed him.He had two half seasons at Rochdale and Brentford combined and and was often injured during his time at both clubs

I just dont know what he is good at

Well he scored 21 goals in 33 games in this division under our current manager so let's not write him off just yet.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: SoccerHQ on October 26, 2018, 08:49:49 PM
Big problem is his confidence is shot after two years of Bruceball.

I imagine Dean has already seen in training that this is completely different to the confidence he was showing in his year at Brentford.

Would love to be proven wrong but I don't see it happening for him here like McCormack who won't be getting another chance even with the change of manager.

As we've found to our cost over last 20 years once a striker loses his goalscoring touch here they rarely get it back. I can only really think of Dublin who had a couple of lean seasons and then had a prolific season before he finished his career here in defence.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on October 26, 2018, 11:34:14 PM
I think he might have had more joy than Abraham did tonight, The ball was largely on the deck and QPR didn't have any brick shithouses. Apart from the concourse at the School End.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: footyskillz on January 02, 2019, 02:30:38 PM
Should defo be given chance to play .
Abrahams blocked his path with Smith insistence on one central striker

Now I have confidence scottie can close down and press from front
He got a few bookings for his enthusiastic tackling !

But it's his confidence in scoring and finishing chances
Also him remaining injury free.

With him and Kodjia they have had a sad time with some injuries 2019 can be a new successful chapter.

The most pleasing thing Is he has worked with Smith and that he should get opportunity.

Also his thread should get more comment this year !
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Matt Collins on January 02, 2019, 02:32:09 PM
He should get a chance in the fa Cup regardless

But I'm really not convinced. He lacks even the basics of hold up play. It's a bit of a luxury to have a striker who can only run onto through balls
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on January 02, 2019, 08:34:54 PM
Scotty mate, if Tammy goes we're counting on you........
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: mr underhill on January 03, 2019, 06:49:22 AM
I wouldn't count on Hogan to do anything other than look like a pub player who won the lottery
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: footyskillz on January 03, 2019, 11:45:47 PM
A year ago he said this

I'm confident fans will see what they spent the money on," he told BBC WM.

"I've come here to score goals and I haven't. It beat me up that I couldn't score. There's reasons for that. I've come from a certain place in a certain way to a bigger place with a different way. But I'm still confident I'm the best striker at the club."


He was a prolific striker  and I found this on his record

Rochdale (2013-14): 17 goals in 29 (4) games

Brentford (2016-17): 21 goals in 27 (6) games

Suffered injuries before and also had some bad luck with them at Villa.

Then Bruce under pressure went with Grabban as a main striker.

I do hope he gets some chance now .

He came out after Bruce left saying he was never getting chance despite training hard hope and seemed disillusioned.

Hopefully he given fair go but it's only Fa cup matches like this or a move to different system that would see him in team as Abrahams seemingly here to stay
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: footyskillz on January 03, 2019, 11:55:29 PM
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I'll put up his direct quotes
 
Headline :
My head wasn't completely in it:' Scott Hogan accuses Steve Bruce of false promises at Aston Villa

 'The most difficult thing in football is not playing when you're fit. The second most difficult is playing in a system where there is just no way on this earth it's suited to you, you are hung out to dry a little bit.


'It (a 4-1-4-1 formation) led to less chances, less touches in the box. But I did what the manager asked me to do, he only ever asked me to work hard.

'I knocked on his door a couple of days before the window shut just to find out what was going on. Sheff United were very interested.

I wasn't allowed to leave. He was adamant that he didn't want me to go, he said I had a future playing as a striker and I was assured we were going to change the way we were playing.

'So it was disappointing for me two days later when he signed a striker and nothing changed at all.

'I then had an injury, which didn't help, but for the past five weeks I've been fit. So it's frustrating, but it's more frustrating when there is no answer. If you have a reason why you're not playing, you can go and work on it.

'People say you've got to be professional, train your best and all that, but it's difficult because you know you're not getting anything out of it. My head wasn't completely in it if I'm honest, because you knew no matter what you did that week, you weren't going to play, so there was nothing you could do except go home.'

But whoever it is, it doesn't matter, you've got a clean slate. Lads who have been playing will be fearing for places and lads who haven't will be thinking, "This is my chance to establish myself in the team now, get the club to where it belongs and become a hero". Hopefully I can be one of those people.'

Just revisting that reminds me now how well we are of not having Bruce shady here any more .

Also with Abraham and Kodjia 2 best strikers in league ahead of him for a central starting role he proper unlucky !

I think he be more included under Smith just because he knows him or at least makes him feel included but it's really tough in him as don't know how he break in.

It's only one side but Hogan seems mislead and also Bruce had pressure to get results never seemed to trust Hogan

I think now under Dean we will scout players to be effective and fit system and not just the best players in their position without realizing character- example McCormack and System - Hogan

I think and hope this window will be far better than previous regime and totally trust Smith and transfer committee to deliver in right areas
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: mr underhill on January 04, 2019, 09:14:25 AM
Hogan is a mildly talented pub player and shouldn't feel bitter about anything.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Risso on January 04, 2019, 10:07:04 AM
He's 26, and he'd had one good season at Rochdale, and one good half season at Brentford.  Spending £12m on him based on that was unbelievably stupid.  He hasn't got anything even remotely like the all round game to command that sort of fee.  He shouldn't even be in the match day squad, I'd much rather see any of the U23 team get a chance ahead of him.  Sell him for whatever we can get this January.  It hasn't worked, and it isn't going to work.  Hopefully somebody will think they can get a tune out of him, and pay us £4m or as close as possible.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: paul_e on January 04, 2019, 10:14:28 AM
I disagree, guy gets signed for a massive fee by a manager who clearly has no idea how to use him, spends the best part of a year struggling to feed off scraps and then eventually gets a player behind him who starts dictating play in a way that works. Scores a 4 goals in 3 games and then sees a new striker come in, I can totally understand him finding it frustrating.

The most telling bit though is:

Quote
But I did what the manager asked me to do, he only ever asked me to work hard.

This is a guy who scored 2 in about 40 games before that little spell, the coaches and manager should've been talking to him all the time trying to work out how to get him into the game and getting chances, not just telling him to keep working hard.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Ad@m on January 04, 2019, 10:15:34 AM
I still think there's a player in Hogan and if anyone's going to get a tune out of him it's Dean Smith so I'm willing to give him a chance.

But when you think of the money we've pissed away spent on strikers since we got relegated it's just frightening!
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: themossman on January 04, 2019, 10:31:15 AM
Baffled as to why Hogan gets grief, when you consider A. There are so many bellends far more deserving of our ire, and B. His record as a striker pre villa vs ours as a club which ruins good players.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: VinnieChase84 on January 04, 2019, 10:33:41 AM
Big chance for him tomorrow
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Pvb1968 on January 04, 2019, 10:50:59 AM
Will we ever play a system that would suit him?
Hope we can and he starts scoring.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Risso on January 04, 2019, 10:55:40 AM
I disagree, guy gets signed for a massive fee by a manager who clearly has no idea how to use him, spends the best part of a year struggling to feed off scraps and then eventually gets a player behind him who starts dictating play in a way that works. Scores a 4 goals in 3 games and then sees a new striker come in, I can totally understand him finding it frustrating.


Other than the chance when the keeper kicked the ball straight to him, the goals he scored all came from crosses.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: paul_e on January 04, 2019, 12:01:02 PM
I disagree, guy gets signed for a massive fee by a manager who clearly has no idea how to use him, spends the best part of a year struggling to feed off scraps and then eventually gets a player behind him who starts dictating play in a way that works. Scores a 4 goals in 3 games and then sees a new striker come in, I can totally understand him finding it frustrating.


Other than the chance when the keeper kicked the ball straight to him, the goals he scored all came from crosses.

I know, but Grealish still played a massive part in our turnaround in form this time last year where Hogan actually looked a good striker for a few weeks. As we're seeing right now Grealish changes the way we play even if it isn't reflected in massive numbers of assists.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: footyskillz on January 04, 2019, 12:18:46 PM
Will we ever play a system that would suit him?
Hope we can and he starts scoring.

Exactly !

Also how is he to get in ahead of Abraham ?
Abrahams is the Grabban of last season - and is main striker
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Ad@m on January 04, 2019, 12:33:27 PM
Did Smith ever play with two strikers at Brentford or Walsall?  I still believe Hogan would be most effective playing off a big man - a bit like Michael Owen in his heyday.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Ads on January 04, 2019, 03:08:12 PM
That's some top coaching there. Just work hard. Lolol.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: footyskillz on January 04, 2019, 06:00:55 PM
Did Smith ever play with two strikers at Brentford or Walsall?  I still believe Hogan would be most effective playing off a big man - a bit like Michael Owen in his heyday.

Something that Bruce never really did yet he claims always played two up top.

Hogan was told system would change under Bruce

Now under Smith This current system is similar to 4-1-4-1 rather than a 4-3-3 well maybe a 4-1-2-2-1

Either way it's only one central role
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Risso on January 04, 2019, 06:08:19 PM
Will we ever play a system that would suit him?
Hope we can and he starts scoring.

Exactly !

Also how is he to get in ahead of Abraham ?
Abrahams is the Grabban of last season - and is main striker


Why should he get in ahead of Abraham?  Abraham is just about the most lethal striker we've ever had and is a million miles ahead of Hogan in terms of all round ability. 
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: footyskillz on January 04, 2019, 06:45:59 PM
Will we ever play a system that would suit him?
Hope we can and he starts scoring.

Exactly !

Also how is he to get in ahead of Abraham ?
Abrahams is the Grabban of last season - and is main striker


Why should he get in ahead of Abraham?  Abraham is just about the most lethal striker we've ever had and is a million miles ahead of Hogan in terms of all round ability.

Yes  , so that's the debate .
Hogan perhaps would be involved if Abraham was not at club and could well fit Dean Smith preferred system and style of play.

That said if he never going to be involved then for good of everything sell him on.
The problem is Abraham is temporary .
He's been brilliant for villa absolutely . And I said he score 20+ goals and that was under Bruce system !!. Now he could get double what he's current on goals tally 32 + probably 

Hogan left having a pot noodle and a wank
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Risso on January 04, 2019, 06:57:30 PM

Hogan left having a pot noodle and a wank

That just made me laugh like a drain, nice one!
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: footyskillz on January 04, 2019, 06:59:57 PM



Hogan left having a pot noodle and a wank

That just made me laugh like a drain, nice one!

 :)

I love H and V .
Up the villa !
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: andyh on January 05, 2019, 05:36:06 PM
Wasted another opportunity today.
We canít keep using the excuse that he needs a particular type of service to get the best out of him.
You donít need a particular type of service to chase down, put deferenders under pressure or make a nuisance of yourself.

I am coming to the conclusion he is a lazy fucker, not an unlucky one.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Ads on January 05, 2019, 05:36:45 PM
He's fucking mince. Get. Rid.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: mr underhill on January 05, 2019, 05:48:18 PM
Scott Hogan is th footballing equivalent of an STD
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 05, 2019, 05:50:07 PM
Scott Hogan is th footballing equivalent of an STD

Surely an STD is preceded by some sort of 'action'?
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: hilts_coolerking on January 05, 2019, 05:50:35 PM
Scott Hogan is th footballing equivalent of an STD
Easily caught?
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Lastfootstamper on January 05, 2019, 05:51:12 PM
I don't think he's lazy. Staggeringly unaware of any situation unfolding around him, but not lazy.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: curiousorange on January 05, 2019, 05:51:18 PM
I always thought Hogan didn't help himself. When everyone was saying that he wasn't getting the right service I thought it was on Hogan to amend his style to meet the midfield halfway, even if it wasn't his strength. He didn't and won't, and it won't happen for him here.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: brian green on January 05, 2019, 05:55:55 PM
He won't get an STD in a standing position not without a box to stand on.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Pvb1968 on January 05, 2019, 05:56:57 PM
Sell him for 3m if you can.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: brian green on January 05, 2019, 05:59:20 PM
Him and McCormack to Motherwell for JMG's brothers.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: TheMalandro on January 05, 2019, 06:02:11 PM
Him and McCormack to Motherwell for JMG's brothers.

Ask the bulb lady if she has a position for him. We could find him digs in Spalding.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: brian green on January 05, 2019, 06:05:18 PM
I could certainly find a hole for him.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Three Spires Villa on January 05, 2019, 06:11:30 PM
Itís never going to happen for him in a Villa shirt is it?
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: CT on January 05, 2019, 06:26:37 PM
Well, he really took his chance to cement his place in the team today.

*sarcastic mode*
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: wittonwarrior on January 05, 2019, 06:43:04 PM
Mitt fit for purpose in a Sunday league team
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: olaftab on January 05, 2019, 06:43:43 PM
I thought he did well today setting up their first goal with his (not so) excellent first touch.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 05, 2019, 06:47:34 PM
A zero trick pony. I thought he might be ok and especially after Dean Smith came in but he just isnít.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: VinnieChase84 on January 05, 2019, 06:49:29 PM
A zero trick pony. I thought he might be ok and especially after Dean Smith came in but he just isnít.

File firmly under Bosko Balaban
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Pvb1968 on January 05, 2019, 06:53:45 PM
He's shit and a 2m pound player tops.
Hey ho.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: LeeB on January 05, 2019, 07:26:05 PM
He's shit and a 2m pound player tops.
Hey ho.

Two fucking pound more like bruv.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on January 05, 2019, 08:02:28 PM
I don't think he's lazy. Staggeringly unaware of any situation unfolding around him, but not lazy.
I disagree LFS - I view him as being totally disinterested and not showing for openings - he almost seems to look for a marker - certainly one of the poorest signings in the last 20  years and we've had  our fair share .  If Smith can't get him to recreate his Brentford goal scoring exploits then we need to get rid asap
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: TheMalandro on January 05, 2019, 08:07:21 PM
It may be little comfort, but heís not stuck behind his gate, never to be seen again.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Legion on January 05, 2019, 08:10:16 PM
If Hogan is the answer, I hate to think what the question might be. Unless it is something like, "Can you name a really shit current Villa striker?"
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: brontebilly on January 05, 2019, 08:12:25 PM
Itís never going to happen for him in a Villa shirt is it?

Definitely not, going to have to try and get him off on loan somewhere or swap him for someone else.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: brian green on January 05, 2019, 08:15:16 PM
The obvious place to fly tip him is Brentford.  As a make weight for somebody decent.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: sickbeggar on January 05, 2019, 08:26:04 PM
Personally i don't think he's disinterested or lazy, just chronically lacking in confidence that he doesn't even try to make anything happen anymore. He had that one spell last season when he scored about 4 in 5 and it looked like he was getting his act together but then grabban came in and he was back to square one. Shame because he obviously did know where the goal was at one stage.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: TheMalandro on January 05, 2019, 08:31:10 PM
The obvious place to fly tip him is Brentford.  As a make weight for somebody decent.

I trust your knowledge in thoroughbreds, Hogan for a horse please. Take it from there.
Title: Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
Post by: Pvb1968 on January 05, 2019, 08:34:36 PM
He's very average and one