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Offline Diablo

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Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
« Reply #720 on: October 02, 2017, 10:51:42 AM »
Hogan offers something different to what we have. I'm hoping that they (Calderwood /Bruce) are urgently working on the training ground to play to Hogan's strengths or that when Grealish returns he'll help. Imagine if we had some tactical flexibility/variation?

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Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
« Reply #721 on: October 02, 2017, 11:25:03 AM »
Hogan offers something different to what we have. I'm hoping that they (Calderwood /Bruce) are urgently working on the training ground to play to Hogan's strengths or that when Grealish returns he'll help. Imagine if we had some tactical flexibility/variation?

It's a nice idea, but we don't currently have that.  The problem is that Hogan coming on in tight games like Saturday means that we will find ourselves under increasing pressure as the ball won't stick up front.  As I said before, I feel for him but he is currently not what we need.

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Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
« Reply #722 on: October 02, 2017, 11:58:55 AM »
Hogan offers something different to what we have. I'm hoping that they (Calderwood /Bruce) are urgently working on the training ground to play to Hogan's strengths or that when Grealish returns he'll help. Imagine if we had some tactical flexibility/variation?

It's a nice idea, but we don't currently have that.  The problem is that Hogan coming on in tight games like Saturday means that we will find ourselves under increasing pressure as the ball won't stick up front.  As I said before, I feel for him but he is currently not what we need.
I think he is being brought on mainly to add energy and press

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Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
« Reply #723 on: October 02, 2017, 12:03:15 PM »
Hogan is better suited to the counter attacking style. Good movement, pacey. None of our forwards are particularly good at the long ball stuff. Keinan might be if he has players around him but that's not really the game plan for the long ball I guess. I'd like to see Hogan and Keinan rotated in terms of starts. Both very useful players.

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Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
« Reply #724 on: October 02, 2017, 01:12:35 PM »
Whenever he brings Hogan on he takes both Davis and then Kodjia in quick succession leaving poor Hogan on his todd again

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Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
« Reply #725 on: October 02, 2017, 01:34:37 PM »
Hogan offers something different to what we have. I'm hoping that they (Calderwood /Bruce) are urgently working on the training ground to play to Hogan's strengths or that when Grealish returns he'll help. Imagine if we had some tactical flexibility/variation?

It's a nice idea, but we don't currently have that.  The problem is that Hogan coming on in tight games like Saturday means that we will find ourselves under increasing pressure as the ball won't stick up front.  As I said before, I feel for him but he is currently not what we need.
I think he is being brought on mainly to add energy and press

Unfortunately he does neither.  It just looks so easy for defenders against him at the moment.  As pointed out above, it doesn't help that he is usually up front on his own when he comes on.  I'd like to see how he fares alongside Davis at some point.     

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Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
« Reply #726 on: October 03, 2017, 02:27:07 AM »
Still looks a very poor signing.

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Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
« Reply #727 on: October 03, 2017, 01:42:57 PM »
Poor signing in the sense that he's been bought for a huge fee and no plan how to use him but he's a very good player and the one I really feel sorry for because we appear to have found a winning formula without him in the team. I really think this one was a ridiculous panic buy. I've absolutely no doubt he'll do well for us if we can accommodate him and if not he'll do very well for someone else at this level certainly, maybe higher.

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Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
« Reply #728 on: October 03, 2017, 03:23:46 PM »
Poor signing in the sense that he's been bought for a huge fee and no plan how to use him but he's a very good player and the one I really feel sorry for because we appear to have found a winning formula without him in the team. I really think this one was a ridiculous panic buy. I've absolutely no doubt he'll do well for us if we can accommodate him and if not he'll do very well for someone else at this level certainly, maybe higher.

Fully agree with this. There are 'poor' signings where the player is just crap, and whoever scouted him (if at all) was misguided, and there are signings where the player is obviously a good footballer (as Hogan clearly is) but individual and system just don't fit well together. I'd love to see him do well for us, but I simply have reservations as to whether or not Bruce is capable of playing in the style Hogan needs to get service as a striker.

Seems like a decent bloke and works hard - part of me wouldn't begrudge him moving on if he can get back to the form he's shown elsewhere.
Ideally though we'd be able to adapt the way we play so we can utilise him a bit better when needed. Ideally.

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Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
« Reply #729 on: October 03, 2017, 03:46:02 PM »
Whenever he brings Hogan on he takes both Davis and then Kodjia in quick succession leaving poor Hogan on his todd again

My thoughts exactly.  He is all on his own feeding on ball that is largely in the air, I donít understand the thought process in signing a big money forward and never playing to his strengths

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Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
« Reply #730 on: October 03, 2017, 04:26:36 PM »
The problem I see is that even when the ball is played to his feet he loses possession.
 I Am assuming that he can only operate with the ball played in front of him which is pretty limiting.
This might be ok against lower level opposition but you cannot build a team on it.

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Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
« Reply #731 on: October 03, 2017, 05:13:40 PM »
Whenever he brings Hogan on he takes both Davis and then Kodjia in quick succession leaving poor Hogan on his todd again

My thoughts exactly.  He is all on his own feeding on ball that is largely in the air, I donít understand the thought process in signing a big money forward and never playing to his strengths

From the highlights there's one 'chance' he has which highlights how poor a job we're doing with him:

https://youtu.be/A0GH3CoRric?t=7m28s


That's not a shooting opportunity but could've been a really good chance if we'd had someone busting a gut to get into the box.  I get that they were all in our half but that's exactly the problem, we always slip into that 451 when he comes on and it means he regularly gets the ball in places like that.


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Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
« Reply #732 on: October 03, 2017, 06:32:34 PM »
Poor signing in the sense that he's been bought for a huge fee and no plan how to use him but he's a very good player and the one I really feel sorry for because we appear to have found a winning formula without him in the team. I really think this one was a ridiculous panic buy. I've absolutely no doubt he'll do well for us if we can accommodate him and if not he'll do very well for someone else at this level certainly, maybe higher.

It was a panic buy absolutely. Iím also not sure that heís a very good player, as to me he looks like a one trick lower league pony who has won the lottery after a good half season with Brentford.

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Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
« Reply #733 on: October 03, 2017, 07:00:37 PM »
I'm not so sure about him being a panic buy. There's not much evidence of that really to be honest. I think he's a very good player as well. It's just not happened for him here yet unfortunately.

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Re: Scott Hogan - confirmed
« Reply #734 on: October 03, 2017, 07:27:30 PM »
 I like him and still have a hope that he will come good for us.

 


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