Herbert Ellis

[brian green]

When my sister put my mother in a nursing home (she declined to come to us because she said she would be a burden) she was the only one paying for her care because she (a cleaner) and my Dad (a factory labourer) had saved and bought their little bungalow outright.  All the rest were worldly enough to divest themselves of their homes.  Anyone suggesting that I should have told my Dad what to do never knew my Dad.

[Tony Erdington]

Doug loves doug.

his a fckin blue nose on there board before us: bought , sold , bought shares.

I hope he and our money are very happy.

rename the witton lane after himself, Prick.

But then again I have no opinion on him.

[wittonwarrior]

Doug loves doug.

his a fckin blue nose on there board before us: bought , sold , bought shares.

thats I hope he and our money are very happy.

rename the witton lane after himself, Prick.

But then again I have no opinion on him.

That's the point the only thing Ellis is troubled about is himself.  The Witton Lane needs to be renamed the Witton Lane, or perhaps the Ron Saunders Stand or something  similar - someone who actually did  something positive for the Villa.

The more I look at this thread the more I wonder just how he has hoodwinked a few into thinking he is a decent fella.  Make no mistake Ellis was responsible for our downfall after 1982.

[dave.woodhall]

Without going over too much old ground for the nth time, the greatest stroke Doug Ellis ever pulled was to make Villa supporters think he cared about the Villa as much as they do. For Doug Ellis, on behalf of Doug Ellis.

[Simon Page]

I agree 100% AV.  What is at the root of the problem is waste.  Successive governments have failed to use the huge amounts of tax raised from UK taxpayers wisely and thriftily.  Just one example to quote Scandinavian standards, Norway used it's oil revenue to set up a sovereign wealth fund we pissed ours up the wall on aircraft carriers with no aircraft, computer systems that do not work, bombing the living daylights out of Gaddafi, paying millions to BBC executives to arse lick the likes of Jimmy Savile, giving away the Olympic Stadium to Gold and Sullivan, salvaging banks that should have been made to face the consequences of their blind greed and all the rest of the burdens generated by failure and stupidity of those charged with spending our money.

That's unfair Brian. The BBC got no oil money. Executives were paid to lick the arse of the likes of Bill Gates using licence fees. And they were as thrifty and wise in spending it as any government. In fact, they could teach HMG a thing or two about cocking up capital projects and IT systems.

As for Doug, you could never accuse him of wasting his money. Has he spent enough for a seat in the Lords yet?

[Rudy Can't Fail]

As for Doug, you could never accuse him of wasting his money. Has he spent enough for a seat in the Lords yet?

You could be onto something here unless knighthoods are more expensive than I imagined. It was assumed the £90k he'd given back in 2010/11 paid for his knighthood. Ellis gave a similar sum, £66k back in 2015 and at the time it was reported he'd given the Tories £200k since selling the Villa. The Lord Doug Ellis Stand?

[brian green]

The BBC behaved as though they got oil money.  The scales fell from my eyes about the Corporation's ability to squander public money when I went to see an event covered by somebody related to me.  ITV had a journalist, a cameraman and an estate car.  The BBC had thirty five staff and three minibuses.  ITV's coverage was far superior.  In my humble opinion the BBC is a perfect example of taxpayers' money being pissed up in the air.  Just my opinion as a substantial (and willing) payer of UK taxes.

[Simon Page]

Probably needs another thread, but what was the event? Believe me, whatever they paid out wouldn't come close to what has been spent on non-broadcast.

[wittonwarrior]

when you think of the likes of Karen Brady being a  Baroness (at least I think that's her title) anything is open to our opportunist travel agent.

[brentastonb6]

I haven't looked at the proposals for the selling of houses and the £100K limit too closely, but they wouldn't appear from the outset to hard to get round. 

Agree Risso, This is part of the problem , everyone appears to think more funding is required , unfortunately it seems like everyone is trying their hardest not to contribute. I agree with previous posts that past wealth had been squandered
And whilst some people have contributed their taxes for a lifetime that money was spent as it was received and not invested as per the Norway model.

[brentastonb6]

As if there isn't enough reason to dislike Ellis already? Does anyone know the amount he has donated to this pathetic amoral dangerous party?

Buddy that's just your opinion. I think leftie communists are far more dangerous but that's just mine. So shall we leave politics off this site ?

Yep. You correctly observed it's his opinion.
And this is a discussion forum.

I think if you were requesting to rise above politics you might do it in a more polite way.

If it helps you understand: Politics mean I'm recruiting less NHS staff to my team than agreed because my trust makes cuts. Every year. Btw this is in the same mental health that Theresa May allegedly is championing.

Social care had been destroyed in this country. Councils up and down the land have been slashing services for years. I see people suffering as a result, including football fans.

Your request has unfortunately had the opposite effect.

From ?working class roots, Villa opposing nazism, the death of Matthias Sindelar, Franco's Real Madrid, government dictating seating stadia, European working regulations (Bosman), migration, work permits, current links between football & violence/nationalism/fascism/self determination, international relations expressed in international fixtures, great union/socialist managers, subsidised stadia (happy with the West Ham deal?), boycotting under armour as they promote big game hunting  etc etc

Just how could we ignore politics in football? It's life.

And whilst it's villa related, as HDE is, it's here. In this part of the site. On this thread.

Oh thank you for enlightening me, without your help I wouldn't have realised a forum was about discussion. I wasn't aware I was being impolite to Diablo, and if I had been he hasn't shown offence but thank you also for defending him
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Hi brentastonb6, I was responding to your point, "that's just your opinion" as it seems a rather limited argument to base a request for use of a discussion forum on.

I was also responding on behalf of myself (not Diablo) as someone you might presume to be a 'leftie communist', as I felt that was a rather lazy and disrespectful (hence my mentioning politeness) way of labelling someone like *me* who cares about vulnerable people. I'd also criticise new labour for the u-turn in developing PFI, the singlemost health infrastructure disaster of recent time perhaps.

I actually accept some tightening of the belt but feel great discomfort when it's not done honestly. Although saying that, I think it's a fairly common analysis - as has been pointed out- that austerity policy hasn't worked (at least as planned). And that those that are suffering most are those most in need.

It might be hard to see the crises ahead with the NHS from the outside, but this is such a crucial time.

I wish everybody well, and hope we get outcomes that are best.

PS back on topic, I hadn't even got as far as thinking about it being my £ spent on Villa that is going to the party that is threatening our social fabric. Shudder.

Oh and I hope those close to you brentastonb6 suffering from dementia are doing as well as they can and have some good services in their area.

Thank you 👍

[robbo1874]

Roll on the transfer window eh?

[Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air]

when you think of the likes of Karen Brady being a  Baroness (at least I think that's her title) anything is open to our opportunist travel agent.

[villa `cross the mersey]

What a pair of tits

[Diablo]

As if there isn't enough reason to dislike Ellis already? Does anyone know the amount he has donated to this pathetic amoral dangerous party?

Buddy that's just your opinion. I think leftie communists are far more dangerous but that's just mine. So shall we leave politics off this site ?

Yep. You correctly observed it's his opinion.
And this is a discussion forum.

I think if you were requesting to rise above politics you might do it in a more polite way.

If it helps you understand: Politics mean I'm recruiting less NHS staff to my team than agreed because my trust makes cuts. Every year. Btw this is in the same mental health that Theresa May allegedly is championing.

Social care had been destroyed in this country. Councils up and down the land have been slashing services for years. I see people suffering as a result, including football fans.

Your request has unfortunately had the opposite effect.

From ?working class roots, Villa opposing nazism, the death of Matthias Sindelar, Franco's Real Madrid, government dictating seating stadia, European working regulations (Bosman), migration, work permits, current links between football & violence/nationalism/fascism/self determination, international relations expressed in international fixtures, great union/socialist managers, subsidised stadia (happy with the West Ham deal?), boycotting under armour as they promote big game hunting  etc etc

Just how could we ignore politics in football? It's life.

And whilst it's villa related, as HDE is, it's here. In this part of the site. On this thread.

Oh thank you for enlightening me, without your help I wouldn't have realised a forum was about discussion. I wasn't aware I was being impolite to Diablo, and if I had been he hasn't shown offence but thank you also for defending him
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It would appear you're not aware of quite a few things - but hey ho! Fingers crossed it's not early signs of dementia as it would be awful for you to lose your home paying for social care as this government have recently proposed in their manifesto (along with cutting winter fuel payments to vulnerable pensioners). Saying that let's hope you or any of your family, relatives or friends don't fall ill at any time in the near future and need to use the NHS. You know the NHS that the party you're so eagerly defending are hell bent on dismantling. Do any of those policies come across to you as pathetic? Amoral? Dangerous? Or do you just want to get back to calling (and assuming) people are communists for having that opinion - Buddy?

Before spouting off the socialist agenda, get you facts right (or your spin on them).  Dangerous - there's nothing like a big helping of exaggeration to mislead.

Diablo,  Thanks for bringing Dementia into the conversation , I hope I get chance to meet you to discuss it as I have two members of my family and one close friend suffering from it. As for losing homes to pay for social care ....how long have you got? You are born with nothing and you die with nothing- My mother who is now 72 lives in a nice house in  Four Oaks , worked for all her life , from a working class area ( Yardley Wood ) should she and millions of others in our ageing population need home care is it 'fair' to expect you and everyone to pay for it whilst I inherit a fortune? I believe in social policy but my belief is that you need economic policy to pay for it. Every developed country in the world has this problem not just us. What could be fairer to all than for families that can afford it to pay for it , I have no right to inherit a fortune and actually if someone left me 'just' the £100,000 figure quoted after social care deductions I would not have a problem. And your answer to the funding problem would be

Brentastonb6 sorry to hear about your experience with dementia, my Grandad suffered with dementia so I know what a truly horrible, heart- breaking disease it is. Given the opportunity I'd happily speak with you/share my experience about it in person, if it would help. I wish all those affected well in the difficult time ahead.