Next Villa manager

[paul_e]

Well i find it all a bit bizarre taking on a manager who's chief supporters won't mind him getting the boot once we're in the premier. With friends like that,,,,,,,,

First, I don't think he has any chief supporters. Just those who consider him the best option of those we might realistically be able to get in the space of a week. Second, if he is appointed I don't want him fired. Because hopefully he's doing a superb job. However, what I think will happen is that we will get promoted and Bruce will take us to a certain level and it will plateau. Then if Xia still has ambition he'll remove Bruce appoint someone to take us forward.

Read the story Kippax has posted, I'd like to know who those options are before we hail him as the best possible option.

This is what I've been getting at all along, I'm very worried that the names that we've seen are all very obvious to us I expect better from the professionals running the club than them just picking the top 4-5 names on a list produced in a fanzine and picking from them.

[PaulWinch again]

Problem is that we have absolutely no idea what goes on behind the scenes. Wagner was apparently high on the list, but sounds like Huddersfield had no interest.

[Hoppo]

The people who have the biggest problem with Bruce were the ones who thought Garde being a leftfield foreign coach was the answer, before him they were all salivating about getting Ole Gunnar Solskjaer..

[sickbeggar]

Nah. I thought garde was a buffoon and don't get me started on OGS

[villan from luton]

sickbeggar, who do you want in charge?

[paul_e]

The people who have the biggest problem with Bruce were the ones who thought Garde being a leftfield foreign coach was the answer, before him they were all salivating about getting Ole Gunnar Solskjær..

and your point is?

I'll freely admit from everything I've seen Bruce is a 'tactics on a fag packet' epitome of old-fashioned British management.  If he comes in he'll expect to be the boss and everything will be done as it was when he was a player.  Some of our players will like it and might play well but he won't help to build a structure for the future and we know he is out of his depth in the premier league.  Yes he might get us promotion (but I think some people are over estimating the effect he'll have) in the next 2 years and if he does then great but he's no use to us after that and if he doesn't manage to achieve promotion then we'll have wasted time on starting the long term solution on short term fixes that haven't worked.

If ANYONE thought he was a viable option long term then I'd be less certain in my opposition but even the people saying he's the best choice are talking about how soon we could get rid of him after promotion, that should be ringing alarm bells for a lot more people.

To go back a little to the Dyche and Bruce comparison (with the number of goals) the difference is if we go with Bruce (as I expect us to now) You can be fairly sure that Gestede will play with one of RM, Kodjia or Ayew off him and we'll have lots of balls towards his head.  It can be effective for a short period at this level but, and this is important, the teams who've been promoted using those tactics have pretty much all gone back done within 2 years.  The teams who've managed to establish themselves in the premier league are the ones that got promoted playing football and carried the confidence of that through with them and just added some extra quality to help with the step up.  Now a few teams that play good football and are fairly modern in their appraoch have been relegated anyway because they just haven't been able to do the step to add quality, Burnley are probably the best example of that.

[Monty]

I wonder how good Bruce will be for Jack's development. Does anyone know if there's any similar situation in Bruce's career? Talented, mercurial, slightly off-the-rails young playmaker type who Bruce has helped bring through in some way?

[KRS]

if we go with Bruce (as I expect us to now) You can be fairly sure that Gestede will play with one of RM, Kodjia or Ayew off him and we'll have lots of balls towards his head.  It can be effective for a short period at this level but, and this is important, the teams who've been promoted using those tactics have pretty much all gone back done within 2 years.

If any manager comes in and decides to use those tactics then staying in the PL will be the least of our problems because we simply wont be getting promoted in the first place. Gestede is absolutely shite and should only be used as an impact sub in desperate situations.

[Toronto Villa]

I wonder how good Bruce will be for Jack's development. Does anyone know if there's any similar situation in Bruce's career? Talented, mercurial, slightly off-the-rails young playmaker type who Bruce has helped bring through in some way?

the issue with Jack is Jack. Sherwood got through to him in as much as it was on a "lad" level and we all know how that ultimately has panned out. Garde was overwhelmed by it in the end as part of everything else that was going on and even RDM/Xia haven't been able to full "tame" him. I imagine until Jack gets a hold of himself it will be exactly the same and Bruce will have challenges. Maybe if we can start winning that will be the ultimate cure.

[villan from luton]

The people who have the biggest problem with Bruce were the ones who thought Garde being a leftfield foreign coach was the answer, before him they were all salivating about getting Ole Gunnar Solskjær..

and your point is?

I'll freely admit from everything I've seen Bruce is a 'tactics on a fag packet' epitome of old-fashioned British management.  If he comes in he'll expect to be the boss and everything will be done as it was when he was a player.  Some of our players will like it and might play well but he won't help to build a structure for the future and we know he is out of his depth in the premier league.  Yes he might get us promotion (but I think some people are over estimating the effect he'll have) in the next 2 years and if he does then great but he's no use to us after that and if he doesn't manage to achieve promotion then we'll have wasted time on starting the long term solution on short term fixes that haven't worked.

If ANYONE thought he was a viable option long term then I'd be less certain in my opposition but even the people saying he's the best choice are talking about how soon we could get rid of him after promotion, that should be ringing alarm bells for a lot more people.

To go back a little to the Dyche and Bruce comparison (with the number of goals) the difference is if we go with Bruce (as I expect us to now) You can be fairly sure that Gestede will play with one of RM, Kodjia or Ayew off him and we'll have lots of balls towards his head.  It can be effective for a short period at this level but, and this is important, the teams who've been promoted using those tactics have pretty much all gone back done within 2 years.  The teams who've managed to establish themselves in the premier league are the ones that got promoted playing football and carried the confidence of that through with them and just added some extra quality to help with the step up.  Now a few teams that play good football and are fairly modern in their appraoch have been relegated anyway because they just haven't been able to do the step to add quality, Burnley are probably the best example of that.

I thought I saw Burnley playing the other week with a big lump up front in Sam Vokes. I think Bruce has to be given a chance if appointed, not my choice but I am not the owner

[Stu]

Potato head?

Go away, Villa.

[ozzjim]

While i would prefer Hughton,  Dyche, maybe even the gamble on Wagner, I don't get turning our nose up at a guy who in his last 3 seasons in the championship has been promoted each time. It is a level of football snobbery that outweighs logic.

[saunders_heroes]

The people who have the biggest problem with Bruce were the ones who thought Garde being a leftfield foreign coach was the answer, before him they were all salivating about getting Ole Gunnar Solskjær..

What absolute horseshit.

[Matt Collins]

We've been a mess for years and have sacked our new manager a dozen games in and sitting in 19th

Why on earth anyone thinks we'd have the pick of managers is beyond me. I'd definitely take Dyche or Wagner. Other than that I'd be worried they are criminally insane for coming.

It's  similar to people suggesting we should have got Marcus Rashford in on loan over the summer.

[VinnieChase84]

We've been a mess for years and have sacked our new manager a dozen games in and sitting in 19th

Why on earth anyone thinks we'd have the pick of managers is beyond me. I'd definitely take Dyche or Wagner. Other than that I'd be worried they are criminally insane for coming.

It's  similar to people suggesting we should have got Marcus Rashford in on loan over the summer.

This. We are not as galmourous as some would wish right now. A lot of managers will see the instability and what's happened to our managers of recent times (post MON) and probably think we're a poison chalice. I honestly believe that Bruce if appointed would be our best managerial apt for a very long time.
A good measure of where we are at is thoughts of neutral fans. A lot of my mates are Derby and Leicester (living East Midlands now) and they all think Bruce would be a great choice and get us top6 with the squad we have. I am more confident in us getting top 6 than if garde, Sherwood, RDM were knocking around