Tony's Tweets

[saunders_heroes]

I always thought Graham Turner was when the real damage was done to the team. McNeil was just not up to turning it around.

[four fornicholl]

It's a job for a player. What was Doug "Villa in the blood" Ellis' excuse while he was doing the tour of the shit and small?

I don't give a monkeys fuck, we were a far more professionally run club under Deadly than anything that has followed. True?

Well said, but there's some who'll forever spit venom at anything Ellis related but go easy on the man who quite frankly turned Villa into a genuine laughing stock then ran away.

Why is it ok to 'spit venom' at Lerner but not at Doug? Hardly fair really. I'm almost beginning to think Doug never got us relegated.

That was just a blip with a shit manager.

Which shit manager out of the two do you mean?

You choose,one was far worse than the other.

No, you choose. You said 'shit manager'.

Is McLeish the answer you're looking for?

[b23]

Ellis v. Lerner

That sounds like an interesting thread.

Anyone seen the Tony's Tweets thread ?

[ChicagoLion]

People still defending Lerner, despite everything.
Unbelievable.

[Clampy]

It's a job for a player. What was Doug "Villa in the blood" Ellis' excuse while he was doing the tour of the shit and small?

I don't give a monkeys fuck, we were a far more professionally run club under Deadly than anything that has followed. True?

Well said, but there's some who'll forever spit venom at anything Ellis related but go easy on the man who quite frankly turned Villa into a genuine laughing stock then ran away.

Why is it ok to 'spit venom' at Lerner but not at Doug? Hardly fair really. I'm almost beginning to think Doug never got us relegated.

That was just a blip with a shit manager.

Which shit manager out of the two do you mean?

You choose,one was far worse than the other.

No, you choose. You said 'shit manager'.

Is McLeish the answer you're looking for?

In the mid to late 80's? No, I don't think so.

[dave.woodhall]

People still defending Lerner, despite everything.
Unbelievable.

Where is anyone defending Lerner?

[eamonn]

I wish saunders_heroes could meet Randy face to face and just get all his disgust for him out in one go. No holding back.
Randy seems a gentle sort, good listener etc. 

Then we can have an amnesty on any of saunders' posts mentioning Randolph. Healthier all-round.

[saunders_heroes]

I wish saunders_heroes could meet Randy face to face and just get all his disgust for him out in one go. No holding back.
Randy seems a gentle sort, good listener etc. 

Then we can have an amnesty on any of saunders' posts mentioning Randolph. Healthier all-round.

Oh yes, he has a good heart, bless him, he's just misunderstood.

[Rudy Can't Fail]

I wish saunders_heroes could meet Randy face to face and just get all his disgust for him out in one go. No holding back.
Randy seems a gentle sort, good listener etc. 

Then we can have an amnesty on any of saunders' posts mentioning Randolph. Healthier all-round.

Oh yes, he has a good heart, bless him, he's just misunderstood.

The same could be said about Lerner.

[saunders_heroes]

I wish saunders_heroes could meet Randy face to face and just get all his disgust for him out in one go. No holding back.
Randy seems a gentle sort, good listener etc. 

Then we can have an amnesty on any of saunders' posts mentioning Randolph. Healthier all-round.

Oh yes, he has a good heart, bless him, he's just misunderstood.

The same could be said about Lerner.

How dare you! ;-)

[Drummond]

It's a job for a player. What was Doug "Villa in the blood" Ellis' excuse while he was doing the tour of the shit and small?

I don't give a monkeys fuck, we were a far more professionally run club under Deadly than anything that has followed. True?

Well said, but there's some who'll forever spit venom at anything Ellis related but go easy on the man who quite frankly turned Villa into a genuine laughing stock then ran away.

Why is it ok to 'spit venom' at Lerner but not at Doug? Hardly fair really. I'm almost beginning to think Doug never got us relegated.

You can do what you like but one thing you won't be able to do is to try and compare what Lerner did to this club to what Ellis did. We were relegated under Ellis but bounced straight back. He certainly didn't turn this club into a national laughing stock and smash every unwanted record in the meantime. Unless he did and I missed it?

No, all he did was dismantle the side that won the League and European Cup (when he wasn't around) and systematically see us wither over the course of 5 years to relegation.

Which was the bigger fall from grace?

[saunders_heroes]

It's a job for a player. What was Doug "Villa in the blood" Ellis' excuse while he was doing the tour of the shit and small?

I don't give a monkeys fuck, we were a far more professionally run club under Deadly than anything that has followed. True?

Well said, but there's some who'll forever spit venom at anything Ellis related but go easy on the man who quite frankly turned Villa into a genuine laughing stock then ran away.

Why is it ok to 'spit venom' at Lerner but not at Doug? Hardly fair really. I'm almost beginning to think Doug never got us relegated.

You can do what you like but one thing you won't be able to do is to try and compare what Lerner did to this club to what Ellis did. We were relegated under Ellis but bounced straight back. He certainly didn't turn this club into a national laughing stock and smash every unwanted record in the meantime. Unless he did and I missed it?

No, all he did was dismantle the side that won the League and European Cup (when he wasn't around) and systematically see us wither over the course of 5 years to relegation.

Which was the bigger fall from grace?

Which was the most humiliating and which is the one the club still hasn't recovered from?

[Jimbo]

Come now, we had two shit owners in succession. Like Tolstoy's unhappy families, they were both shit in their own way, but they were shit nevertheless. As for the current owner, the jury is very much still out.

[Clampy]

I think the fall from grace under Ellis was worse. Going from where we were to what we become in 4 years was one almighty fuck up.

[Drummond]

It's a job for a player. What was Doug "Villa in the blood" Ellis' excuse while he was doing the tour of the shit and small?

I don't give a monkeys fuck, we were a far more professionally run club under Deadly than anything that has followed. True?

Well said, but there's some who'll forever spit venom at anything Ellis related but go easy on the man who quite frankly turned Villa into a genuine laughing stock then ran away.

Why is it ok to 'spit venom' at Lerner but not at Doug? Hardly fair really. I'm almost beginning to think Doug never got us relegated.

You can do what you like but one thing you won't be able to do is to try and compare what Lerner did to this club to what Ellis did. We were relegated under Ellis but bounced straight back. He certainly didn't turn this club into a national laughing stock and smash every unwanted record in the meantime. Unless he did and I missed it?

No, all he did was dismantle the side that won the League and European Cup (when he wasn't around) and systematically see us wither over the course of 5 years to relegation.

Which was the bigger fall from grace?

Which was the most humiliating and which is the one the club still hasn't recovered from?

From European Cup winners to relegation? Versus an ongoing shambles? What about dropping to the third division? Was that not worse? I know the Lerner stuff is more recent memory and therefore the pain is fresher, but really?

As for not having recovered, I guess our next trophy under Ellis' relegation was in 1994, five years later, we'll never know with Lerner as he left. That was the first Wembley appearance too. Under Lerner we did at least get to the FA Cup Final (dismal as it was).

You could argue that Lerner tried to respect the history of the club. He tried to get it right and tried to make it about the club and spent a lot of money doing it (badly). Would you say the same about Ellis?

At the end of the day though, it's all about who was pissing into the strongest wind isn't it?