Tony's Tweets

[PeterWithesShin]

They were both utterly shit and humiliating and the result of piss poor ownership. Who gives a shite if one was a bit more humiliating than the other.

[cheltenhamlion]

Why the shite are people talking about Ellis "getting us up"? He wasn't the bloody manager. I am not going to apologise for how badly Lerner got things wrong but the rewriting of history about the marvellous times we had under the travel agent defies belief. For the Tony Barton thing alone he deserves nothing but scorn and a grudge that will never be forgotten.

There is a bloke who looks remarkably like Doctor Tony stood outside Milano restaurant at the moment.

[Ian.]

I have to say the fall from grace from a European conquering team to relegation in five years takes some beating. If it wasn't for Graham Taylor we would have quite easily done what Wolves done.

[Villa75]

Why the shite are people talking about Ellis "getting us up"? He wasn't the bloody manager. I am not going to apologise for how badly Lerner got things wrong but the rewriting of history about the marvellous times we had under the travel agent defies belief. For the Tony Barton thing alone he deserves nothing but scorn and a grudge that will never be forgotten.

There is a bloke who looks remarkably like Doctor Tony stood outside Milano restaurant at the moment.

So Ellis can take the blame for us going down, but not the credit for getting us up 1st time of asking?

He can take the blame for Turner et al, but not the credit for Taylor, Big Ron, or Little?

I know that's a common theme on here, when it comes to Ellis, but someone is going to have to explain that one to me, as it doesn't seem quite right. In fact, it seems a little idiotic.

[Toronto Villa]

Ellis wins hands down. He came back to a club hugely fortunate that was Kings of Europe. It takes a massive kind of shit at what you do to get that side relegated in 5 years. What happened after and any successes subsequently should never diminish that. It's like saying Lerner should been allowed to bring us back up and reducing the 2010-2016 era to a few pages in history to be rebated over how bad it was.

[Villa75]

I have to say the fall from grace from a European conquering team to relegation in five years takes some beating. If it wasn't for Graham Taylor we would have quite easily done what Wolves done.

Man Utd managed it in a similar amount of time before us. If it's good enough for them....

[Villa75]

I suppose going back 30 odd years saves us from having to face the shit we were in right now.

Scant consolation though.

[cheltenhamlion]

Why the shite are people talking about Ellis "getting us up"? He wasn't the bloody manager. I am not going to apologise for how badly Lerner got things wrong but the rewriting of history about the marvellous times we had under the travel agent defies belief. For the Tony Barton thing alone he deserves nothing but scorn and a grudge that will never be forgotten.

There is a bloke who looks remarkably like Doctor Tony stood outside Milano restaurant at the moment.

So Ellis can take the blame for us going down, but not the credit for getting us up 1st time of asking?

He can take the blame for Turner et al, but not the credit for Taylor, Big Ron, or Little?

I know that's a common theme on here, when it comes to Ellis, but someone is going to have to explain that one to me, as it doesn't seem quite right. In fact, it seems a little idiotic.

Idiotic? Fuck off. You seem to want both sides of the argument rather than me (that is the royal you to include arch apologist SH).

Where on earth have I suggested he ought to take the blame for the failings of one manager and not the successes of another? That's right, I didn't.

You can't throw in bullshit like "he got us back first time round" when the other bloke didn't have the chance to because he sold us (and years too late I might add). That is comparing apples and oranges.

Let's put this simply. Herbert should take little credit for the Taylor appointment. He was lucky enough that Taylor decided to appoint himself. The credit to Ellis there is in keeping the fuck out of his way whilst he fixed it. And that was against the back drop of fans wanting his head on a stick.

His contacts within the game to keep us relevant after our return were to be applauded. His missing the boat when the new money he was bloody involved with organising hitting the game. Well that was criminal.

By the end of his tenure we were charging staff for a cup of tea and couldn't find a tenner down the back of the sofa for a useless cock like Bakke. He was an old shit who was miles out of his time but didn't want to give in because he liked to feel important and it got him out of the house.

And I come back again to Tony Barton. The supercilious old ******.

[PeterWithesShin]

And for anyone that still thinks appointing SGT was an Ellis masterstroke should read the Steve Stride book. Even he admits SGT chose us and was hand delivered on a plate to the club.

[paul_e]

I'd really like to see a back office structure chart for us in the last few years under Ellis and compare it to clubs like Tottenham and Everton.  From everything I've heard and seen I reckon ours would've been embarrassing in contrast.  I think a big part of the problem when Stride left during the takeover was the he was pretty much running the club on his own so all the senior management knowledge in the club was lost in 1 go.

[cheltenhamlion]

And whilst we are on the topic, here is a measure of Herbert. I ended up on his table at a charity event just before he was awarded his much wanted gong from Her Maj.

I tried to be fair and let mt simmering irritation just ride. One exchange was very pertinent though.

He had spent an age telling everyone on the table why he was massively important so I thought it best to turn it back round to the charity (an auction was coming up and he got very wealthy on Villa's money).

Anyway, my offer of "tell us why this charity means a lot to you, Doug" line was met "I have always loved X charity. I have supported them from the outset". Good, but immediately followed by ten minutes of "did you know I was the first person to make a ten figure donation"? And "I actually believe I have donated more to them than any other private individual". And then spent fucking ages listing how much he had passed their way, year on year, for about 15 years. Just in case I was worth a few bob, "How much money have you donated to them"?

That was where I left fuming and the conversation ended. I was there as an ambassador for our company who had raised a few quid for said charity.

It is still, as it always has been, about Doug and for Doug. Whether on lining his pockets or massaging his ego.

[Ian.]

I have to say the fall from grace from a European conquering team to relegation in five years takes some beating. If it wasn't for Graham Taylor we would have quite easily done what Wolves done.

Man Utd managed it in a similar amount of time before us. If it's good enough for them....

I'm not talking about them and couldn't give a toss about that lot, it's a monumental cock up.

For me, I was too young to enjoy the glory years of that squad, but instead I grew up witnessing the demise of it and then being absolutely devastated with relegation.

It probably does don't hurt so much this time round due to my age and my own family being the forefront of my life.

[cheltenhamlion]

I'd really like to see a back office structure chart for us in the last few years under Ellis and compare it to clubs like Tottenham and Everton.  From everything I've heard and seen I reckon ours would've been embarrassing in contrast.  I think a big part of the problem when Stride left during the takeover was the he was pretty much running the club on his own so all the senior management knowledge in the club was lost in 1 go.

You mean when our board was essentially his best mate, his doctor and his solicitor?

[dave shelley]

Why the shite are people talking about Ellis "getting us up"? He wasn't the bloody manager. I am not going to apologise for how badly Lerner got things wrong but the rewriting of history about the marvellous times we had under the travel agent defies belief. For the Tony Barton thing alone he deserves nothing but scorn and a grudge that will never be forgotten.

There is a bloke who looks remarkably like Doctor Tony stood outside Milano restaurant at the moment.

So Ellis can take the blame for us going down, but not the credit for getting us up 1st time of asking?

He can take the blame for Turner et al, but not the credit for Taylor, Big Ron, or Little?

I know that's a common theme on here, when it comes to Ellis, but someone is going to have to explain that one to me, as it doesn't seem quite right. In fact, it seems a little idiotic.

Idiotic? Fuck off. You seem to want both sides of the argument rather than me (that is the royal you to include arch apologist SH).

Where on earth have I suggested he ought to take the blame for the failings of one manager and not the successes of another? That's right, I didn't.

You can't throw in bullshit like "he got us back first time round" when the other bloke didn't have the chance to because he sold us (and years too late I might add). That is comparing apples and oranges.

Let's put this simply. Herbert should take little credit for the Taylor appointment. He was lucky enough that Taylor decided to appoint himself. The credit to Ellis there is in keeping the fuck out of his way whilst he fixed it. And that was against the back drop of fans wanting his head on a stick.

His contacts within the game to keep us relevant after our return were to be applauded. His missing the boat when the new money he was bloody involved with organising hitting the game. Well that was criminal.

By the end of his tenure we were charging staff for a cup of tea and couldn't find a tenner down the back of the sofa for a useless cock like Bakke. He was an old shit who was miles out of his time but didn't want to give in because he liked to feel important and it got him out of the house.

And I come back again to Tony Barton. The supercilious old c***.

Well said good sir.

[saunders_heroes]

Ellis wins hands down. He came back to a club hugely fortunate that was Kings of Europe. It takes a massive kind of shit at what you do to get that side relegated in 5 years. What happened after and any successes subsequently should never diminish that. It's like saying Lerner should been allowed to bring us back up and reducing the 2010-2016 era to a few pages in history to be rebated over how bad it was.

What a load of old cobblers!