Adama Traoré - GONE

[brian green]

Powers of deduction my dear Watson.  Before I let the Traore thread go with a sad sigh, I remember a certain Peter McParland having exactly the same words used about him in his first games for us.  "Raw" "Not a team player" "Just gets the ball and runs at the opposition" "he is a winger why can't he play like a winger? Stupid prat tries to score with his head" "too undisciplined, we need a proper winger like Herbie Smith.  Get rid back where he came from".   The man who won us our last cup final and shared a WC golden boot.  Please don't tell me there is no comparison else I shall also relate the pelters faced by Dwight when he tried to break into the team, and Christian Benteke.

[PeterWithe]

I just see someone incredibly fast, and that's it.

[aev]

Powers of deduction my dear Watson.  Before I let the Traore thread go with a sad sigh, I remember a certain Peter McParland having exactly the same words used about him in his first games for us.  "Raw" "Not a team player" "Just gets the ball and runs at the opposition" "he is a winger why can't he play like a winger? Stupid prat tries to score with his head" "too undisciplined, we need a proper winger like Herbie Smith.  Get rid back where he came from".   The man who won us our last cup final and shared a WC golden boot.  Please don't tell me there is no comparison else I shall also relate the pelters faced by Dwight when he tried to break into the team, and Christian Benteke.

I too find it a bit depressing. I feel as a player he needed to be eased in gently - we of course have no idea how he trains or his general attitude but these are things that management and coaches have to consider with all players.

Our recent seasons of struggle have meant that all our signings have needed to hit the ground running - no easy task when a lot of them were having to settle into a different league and country.

[oldhill_avfc]

He'd be great if football was played in lanes and he just had to be the first to get to the finishing line with the ball still at his feet.
Creates excitement by running with the ball but struggles with the passing, crossing and shooting part of the game.

Seems like Sherwood and Wilkins were right on this one - this is what they said and why they didn't wan to buy him in the first place.

[Rudy Can't Fail]

Powers of deduction my dear Watson.  Before I let the Traore thread go with a sad sigh, I remember a certain Peter McParland having exactly the same words used about him in his first games for us.  "Raw" "Not a team player" "Just gets the ball and runs at the opposition" "he is a winger why can't he play like a winger? Stupid prat tries to score with his head" "too undisciplined, we need a proper winger like Herbie Smith.  Get rid back where he came from".   The man who won us our last cup final and shared a WC golden boot.  Please don't tell me there is no comparison else I shall also relate the pelters faced by Dwight when he tried to break into the team, and Christian Benteke.

You were bang on the money with Benteke, Brian. My concern is he's been hanging out with friends of friends of friends of Richard E. Never a good sign.

[cdward]

Dante, Malandro may have touched on evidence of it but the deep seated problem with him is probably not football related.  The word going the rounds that came to me via a Remi Garde contact was that he keeps bad company and refuses to distance himself from them.

I suppose we all have a few friends or family who are noses

[Witton Warrior]

Well that didn't go as well as we all hoped it might.
For me it boils down to input and expected outcome - Villa put time and money in and the expected outcome has not been produced. Jog on...

[oldhill_avfc]

I have seen in the flesh every minute he played for us.  He was potentially one of the most exciting players I have ever seen in a Villa shirt, certainly the quickest.  Not to have made the most of him is unforgivable on the part of the managers and coaches responsible for bringing him on.  That is what I think, you think what you think about him.  The loss of such potential is entirely consistent with the managerial incompetence of the Lerner era.

You need a variety of qualities to be a footballer.  Pace is certainly an asset but it's not everything. 

He doesn't seem to much aptitude for football as a team game.  Where you have a weakness you need to work around it - that comes as much from the player as anyone.

I'm sure you'd agree that like any successful employee, the players have to take personal responsibility to do a good job, improve their skill set and show their performance is better than their competitors.

So why you keep blaming the managers for everything that's gone wrong?

[brian green]

Are you on my case again oldhill?  I blame our managers because they have been bad managers and several bad coaches with them right back to Houllier.  That is what I believe, backed up by what I have seen with my own eyes home and away at least thirty games a season.  What do you believe?

[richtheholtender]

I just see someone incredibly fast, and that's it.

And yet we kept Gabby for 10 years for being exactly the same.

[Ron Manager]

Powers of deduction my dear Watson.  Before I let the Traore thread go with a sad sigh, I remember a certain Peter McParland having exactly the same words used about him in his first games for us.  "Raw" "Not a team player" "Just gets the ball and runs at the opposition" "he is a winger why can't he play like a winger? Stupid prat tries to score with his head" "too undisciplined, we need a proper winger like Herbie Smith.  Get rid back where he came from".   The man who won us our last cup final and shared a WC golden boot.  Please don't tell me there is no comparison else I shall also relate the pelters faced by Dwight when he tried to break into the team, and Christian Benteke.

Who was Herbie Smith Brian? I don't think I am acquainted with that name.Who did he play for?

[old man villa fan]

He'd be great if football was played in lanes and he just had to be the first to get to the finishing line with the ball still at his feet.
Creates excitement by running with the ball but struggles with the passing, crossing and shooting part of the game.

Seems like Sherwood and Wilkins were right on this one - this is what they said and why they didn't wan to buy him in the first place.

I thought Sherwood said he had been tracking him for a few years.

[old man villa fan]

He is raw but exciting.  Talent like this sometimes just need time and space on the pitch to do their own thing and then you start to add things like tracking back to their game.  Is there time or is their too much pressure in the modern game to be able to give a player this freedom.

I see that Everton have just paid £25m for a similar player, albeit with more experience.

[Jimbo]

Unwilling to fight for Villa until your knees explode? Bye.

I don't care about last year, or the last five years. This is a new club, now. The old one committed suicide in public a few months ago.

No more coasters, no more piss-takers. If you're the best player in the world on a free, but you're not 100 percent committed to the cause, you can fuck off.

[Ron Manager]

He is raw but exciting.  Talent like this sometimes just need time and space on the pitch to do their own thing and then you start to add things like tracking back to their game.  Is there time or is their too much pressure in the modern game to be able to give a player this freedom.

I see that Everton have just paid £25m for a similar player, albeit with more experience.

Out and out wingers like Bolasie and Zaha who cannot cross a ball with any accuracy but occasionally score a magnificent goal never make it at the highest level.Neither will Adama wherever he plays.