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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Leicester_Villian on July 21, 2016, 06:21:08 PM
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What is happening with this guy?
We have seen some injury prone players over the years but he now appears to be one of the worst
I think time to try and move him on especially if what we hear salary wise is right
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I'd keep him. In the glimpses I've seen he's raw but very talented. We need to keep any talent we have in the squad.
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My point is for the number of minutes he played is he worth the cost?
He may be a talent but if he come be injured over the close season where does that leave us? I thought he was close to playing before the end of last season ....
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We all got very excited by that you tube footage of him. We hoped for a big talent to improve the team
He has been somewhat of a disappointment in reality.
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Looks like he has the talent but not the fitness. If fit he would be worth keeping as we don't have so much width in the squad, just hope he doesn't turn out to be another Nii Lamptey.
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Keep keep keep and keep.
He is injured a lot but was fit for long spells under Garde and Black and hardly had a kick.
I think he'll be fantastic in the championship.
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Yep his pace will destroy defences. Ayew, Grealish and somebody mobile as a focal point for that funky bunch will see us cause some havoc.
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I like what I've seen. If we can keep him fit he could rip the piss out of the Second Division.
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That's the thing I noticed last season, just how slow the defences are.
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We all got very excited by that you tube footage of him. We hoped for a big talent to improve the team
He has been somewhat of a disappointment in reality.
No idea how you can really say that given his complete lack of chances.
He's still caused a little havoc in cameos he's played, forced the own goal at Palace and the mazy run and cross for the Gil goal up at Sunderland.
He needs a run of 10 starts and then we can properly assess his strengths and weaknesses.
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I'd say it's frustrating that we haven't seen more of him rather than being disappointed by what we have seen. If we could get 30 appearances out of him this season he'd destroy that league. The big question is if he is up to that fitness wise.
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There was a lack of pace throughout the team.
Amavi has a bit and Traore has plenty and I hope he gets to show the obvious raw talent that he has.
Both Gil and Sinclair are a yard of pace short of being dangerous players.
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This guy has missed the whole of preseason training. I doubt he'll be seen wearing a first team shirt any time soon. I really want him to succeed but he needs to toughen up.
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I'd say it's frustrating that we haven't seen more of him rather than being disappointed by what we have seen. If we could get 30 appearances out of him this season he'd destroy that league. The big question is if he is up to that fitness wise.
Agree but I think it's worth taking the chance on that potential for that fitness risk.
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Any up to date information his wages?
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He's on £100,000 a game, so his total wages so far are about a fiver.
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The guy seems to have been short of match fitness since 1997.
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Any up to date information his wages?
Yep I think if he steps on to a pitch in pre season he gets paid £80k a week. If he plays a minute of a proper game it goes up to £130k a week.
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If he plays a full game it's in his contract that he's paid more than Messi. Which is the real reason why he never plays a full game.
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Whatever happens, and nothing would surprise me, his like will not be there again.
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He has apparently not played due to a niggling injury keeping him out of pre season so far. I can't help think that it is kind of a good thing for us that he is not sparkling in pre season, because if we can actually persevere and get him fit, he will cause utter mayhem in the championship.
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but of course the flaw in your argument is that he never plays so he can't cause mayhem - other than financially
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but of course the flaw in your argument is that he never plays so he can't cause mayhem - other than financially
Correct. Doesn't matter how good he is (or might be) if he is injury prone on a regular basis it might be an idea to loan him out (when fit) to a middling Spanish club and keep an eye on his progress.
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I don't get this loaning players out. We are at a level in the Championship where players are either good enough for the squad or we should get rid of them, not wait and see. Loans with an option to buy are ok, as is loaning out U21 players. We have too many players that we have loaned out in the past that have ended up back with us and probably paid some of their wages.
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maybe we wont see him again
http://en.alalam.ir/news/1841682
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Correct. Doesn't matter how good he is (or might be) if he is injury prone on a regular basis it might be an idea to loan him out (when fit) to a middling Spanish club and keep an eye on his progress.
You say this as if we are still a premier league team. We are not in a position to loan out players in order to monitor development (especially half decent ones). It's the reverse situation now.
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he's been with us a year though, hardly kicked a ball and if we are totally objective about it, no-one knows if he's half decent or not ; we simply haven't seen enough of him to make an informed decision.
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I would like to keep him if we can gat him fit and stays fit he would be a top player in the Championship.
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Play him up front. He's got pace and would probably be better suited to a role without defensive responsibilities
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My point is tho will he ever be fit?
He has pace and talent (we think) but seems to be always injured ....can we now carry injured players?
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My point is tho will he ever be fit?
He has pace and talent (we think) but seems to be always injured ....can we now carry injured players?
Mat Kendrick seemed to be musing on Twitter the other day that he thought the latest "injury" might be "can'tbebothereditis."
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Without knowing anything about what's going on with him my spider senses tell me he wants out and that his agent is busy trying to find any club daft enough to pay whatever his release clause is
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My point is tho will he ever be fit?
He has pace and talent (we think) but seems to be always injured ....can we now carry injured players?
you can't expect them to walk!!!
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My point is tho will he ever be fit?
He has pace and talent (we think) but seems to be always injured ....can we now carry injured players?
Mat Kendrick seemed to be musing on Twitter the other day that he thought the latest "injury" might be "can'tbebothereditis."
Get rid if that's the case
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the more I hear about the guy's financial deal, the more I think Tim got well and truly mugged. I wonder if Hughes is still interested?
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My point is tho will he ever be fit?
He has pace and talent (we think) but seems to be always injured ....can we now carry injured players?
Mat Kendrick seemed to be musing on Twitter the other day that he thought the latest "injury" might be "can'tbebothereditis."
agree with that
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the more I hear about the guy's financial deal, the more I think Tim got well and truly mugged. I wonder if Hughes is still interested?
Why, what do we know about his financial deal?
Apart from the "every minute he plays his salary increases by twenty squillion pounds" silliness, what has been credibly reported?
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I am positive you will correct me if I am wrong, but I thought it had been widely reported that the basic was £45k a week which for someone who has played about 80 minutes in a year is shit business. In fact, even if we were paying him 20k a week it's shit business. So there.
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the more I hear about the guy's financial deal, the more I think Tim got well and truly mugged. I wonder if Hughes is still interested?
Is Tim paying sicknote's wages? Shit, I hope he got a decent pay out from the club.
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Perhaps the club should make Traore undergo a full medical check-up with MRI's etc. to check on these 'injuries'?? Unfortunately, with players these days, all the cards are loaded in their favour.
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He looks like he can be arsed when he's on the pitch.
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I reckon if Adama is here in a year the story will be that he's on about £200,000 a half. People seem desperate to assume he's taking us for a ride.
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I reckon if Adama is here in a year the story will be that he's on about £200,000 a half. People seem desperate to assume he's taking us for a ride.
Doubt it. By then we'll have another "He's not playing because he/his club will get more if he does" scapegoat.
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I reckon if Adama is here in a year the story will be that he's on about £200,000 a half. People seem desperate to assume he's taking us for a ride.
Half would be nice as so far he has been on hourly rate of about £500,000.
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His hourly remuneration would have been dramatically reduced if our managers (and I use the word in the loosest sense) had played him when he was fit. I don't think it is cantbebothereditis, more like okoreitis. My attitude to you is going to be shaped by your attitude to me.
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Well, yes, but how often was he fit? And what had he shown other that he can sprint in straight lines very fast that he was worthy of a starting spot? You do it at Bodymoor heath first if you think you are due a starting spot, and then you can knock on the manager's door and ask why aren't you playing. Whatever you think of the last 3 managers that we have had not one have had a fully fit Traore for more than a few games and none have considered him ready or at the level where they would stick him in. That's fair enough.
If he is anywhere near the attotude of Okore and deciding when he will offer his services to Aston villa and not the other way round, then i'd get shot of him too.
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That's the Okore who played for us injured over a sustained period right?
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As do many professionals. but I think we've covered this. To many he's a shining beacon to me he's just a modern day Pierre van Hooydonck.
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Are we writing him off because he's injury prone, on high wages or he has a bad attitude?
He missed 21 games with a fracture and four with a calf strain. His wages - is that really his fault? I imagine his aim is to be playing games.
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of course it is, but sadly, it's not one that he manages to attain very often
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This is a tough one. I think the only time I saw him last season was against Bournemouth when he just went past about 3 or 4 of their players like they weren't there for the goal and remember thinking: fkn hell, this kid is shit hot. Since then, nothing. We've no spare places for passengers, but based on that one sighting of him, I'd be inclined to keep him if possible, give him some games to show what he can do. If he's constantly injured/ rubbish/ can't be arsed, then sell him in Jan. But I'd at least give him a run when fit.
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of course it is, but sadly, it's not one that he manages to attain very often
Missing half the season with a broken bone hardly makes him injury prone, he needed time to recover.
He also missed games because Sherwood did not want to throw him in too early.
I have no idea if he has a bad attitude but I'm not going to assume he has one.
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As do many professionals. but I think we've covered this. To many he's a shining beacon to me he's just a modern day Pierre van Hooydonck.
Fantastic work Peter, if in doubt just spell it phonetically.
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Tiny Tim threw in into action pretty early on against Palace after saying we wouldn't see him play for ages. and he was right.
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Tiny Tim threw in into action pretty early on against Palace after saying we wouldn't see him play for ages. and he was right.
Which, I admit, proves he was a bad signing for where we were last year. We couldn't afford to have big purchases out of the team. It doesn't mean that he will not be important this year. Who knows.
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don't get me wrong - I hope the guy makes it as he is the type of player that gets bums on seats. We just need him to do it more than a couple of times a season.
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The little that we saw of him last season was enough of an indication that we shouldn't be too quick to be getting rid of him without seeing how he can perform and improve given a decent amount of game time. What he did in the games against Notts County and Crystal Palace was enough to show that this kid does have what it takes if he can stay fit and avoid injury...the only problem is that he hasn't been able to stay fit and avoid injury. As such, the only concern is what will happen the first, second or third time that he's on the receiving end of a heavy challenge...if it goes to form, then it will predictably end up with him sitting it out on the side lines for another few months. I'm not sure what the club or management are supposed to do when a player is constantly picking up knocks and being out injured as it makes him more or less unplayable and unsellable.
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If we were still a PL club we would be saying loan him out to a Championship club to get game time. Well, we are a Championship club now, so logic would say that he should be in the team or on the bench.
I would like to see him brought in gradually over the first quarter of the season playing wide but as the season progresses I think he could move inside a bit more, depending on how we set up. He is fast and powerful and I think he will eventually end up playing more central. At Championship level he should get far more space to allow his confidence to improve.
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I could easily see him playing central either on his own or off a target man. Central defenders would be terrified of his pace and it would only take a through ball or a ball over the top to see him in countless 1 on 1 situations with their keeper.
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If we were still a PL club we would be saying loan him out to a Championship club to get game time. Well, we are a Championship club now, so logic would say that he should be in the team or on the bench.
I would like to see him brought in gradually over the first quarter of the season playing wide but as the season progresses I think he could move inside a bit more, depending on how we set up. He is fast and powerful and I think he will eventually end up playing more central. At Championship level he should get far more space to allow his confidence to improve.
The thought of a three of Traore, Grealish and Ayew behind a decent striker this season is an exciting one if also a little unpredictable.
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I could easily see him playing central either on his own or off a target man. Central defenders would be terrified of his pace and it would only take a through ball or a ball over the top to see him in countless 1 on 1 situations with their keeper.
My opinion as well.His weaknesses,reluctant to track back and preference over beating another player rather than passing ,would not be too important and his strengths of beating defenders with skill or pace would be terrifying in this division.
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Yes, with his obvious strength (although questionable fitness) I would like to see him rampaging down the middle, rather than down the wings. Think he would cause opposition all sorts of difficulties.
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him and ayew up top would rip that division a new one
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I think you are right Touch. Ads first said keep him onside in his own half then flip the ball over the defensive line and let Adama scorch them.
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It seems obvious that he's off and just biding his time until his agent finds him a club.
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It seems obvious that he's off and just biding his time until his agent finds him a club.
How come? Have I missed an article or two?
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I could easily see him playing central either on his own or off a target man. Central defenders would be terrified of his pace and it would only take a through ball or a ball over the top to see him in countless 1 on 1 situations with their keeper.
I predict most defences will be sat far too deep for this to be an option. I think we will need to stretch teams by playing him very wide (when we have the ball). That tactic, together with Grealish's ability to dwell on the ball and suck in the opposition players should provide space elsewhere to create one v one duels.
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If Traore makes the opposition sit deep the battle is half won. All last season we sat deeper and deeper and conceded time and time again. We seemed to play a whole season in our own third of the pitch. It would be nice to see us without that kind of pressure.
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if he plays a dozen games this season and has the impact his talent is capable of it would aid the cause immeasurably. But that's a big if given the amount of time he spent on the pitch last year
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If Traore makes the opposition sit deep the battle is half won. All last season we sat deeper and deeper and conceded time and time again. We seemed to play a whole season in our own third of the pitch. It would be nice to see us without that kind of pressure.
True, but it still requires strikers to score goals and our history of breaking down defences is poor.
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Isn't he going to be on a huge wage if he plays a certain amount of league games?
I think the club believed he would have a good season last season and we'd have obviously stay-up and be selling him for big money about now....
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I imagine the stories about his wages are utter bollocks.
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I do too - I'd heard something mad like £80k a week..... can't believe that, even with our mis-management.
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I do too - I'd heard something mad like £80k a week..... can't believe that, even with our mis-management.
It's not £80k a week at all. It's £120k a week and will be £140k the minute he touches a football. Which is why he has been missing so far. Apparently it's nuts what we have to pay him if he crosses the half way line before the end of August so I don't think we will see him until September.
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I could easily see him playing central either on his own or off a target man. Central defenders would be terrified of his pace and it would only take a through ball or a ball over the top to see him in countless 1 on 1 situations with their keeper.
My opinion as well.His weaknesses,reluctant to track back and preference over beating another player rather than passing ,would not be too important and his strengths of beating defenders with skill or pace would be terrifying in this division.
Being a striker is more than just about being quick though. It's about being able to make runs in anticipation of the through-balls and not just the pace to do so. You also need to play a percentage of any game with your back to goal, and be bale to offer some kind of hold-up option. If not, you'd be so one dimensional and predictable that you'd be easy to defend against. That's always been the reason that Wenger's reluctant to use Walcott there.
I don't see Adama as anything other than a winger. If he had the attributes to play anywhere else the Barca youth-team coaches would have seen them you'd think.
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I do too - I'd heard something mad like £80k a week..... can't believe that, even with our mis-management.
It's not £80k a week at all. It's £120k a week and will be £140k the minute he touches a football. Which is why he has been missing so far. Apparently it's nuts what we have to pay him if he crosses the half way line before the end of August so I don't think we will see him until September.
Can we add this 'crossing the halfway line' clause to Westwood's contract?
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Just been re-reading Adama's contract. Apparently if he plays any more than twenty minutes at Hillsborough he gets a 20% pay increase.
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Just been re-reading Adama's contract. Apparently if he plays any more than twenty minutes at Hillsborough he gets a 20% pay increase.
Have you got a link to it anywhere. I'm really interested in this
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I haven't unfortunately Ex but trust me on this one......its gospel
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Trusted, no problem
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Who the fuck agreed anything like that :o
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If he does a warm up lap at Barnsley he gets a green Jag.
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Is he really injured?? We need his pace and power big time after yhe rubbish served up yester day.
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Is he really injured?? We need his pace and power big time after yhe rubbish served up yester day.
No, our reliable local journalist informs us that Adama really can't be bothered.
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Just been re-reading Adama's contract. Apparently if he plays any more than twenty minutes at Hillsborough he gets a 20% pay increase.
so hes wages went up if he played more than 90 minutes alltogether
it seems he's only played about that much
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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36854738
Every time I hear his name I think of this one.
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Another problem we'll have when he plays is him being on a 75K per goal bonus.
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Another problem we'll have when he plays is him being on a 75K per goal bonus.
I really hope that is not true, and if it is, the person who agreed it needs shooting. It is a team game FFS
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Just been re-reading Adama's contract. Apparently if he plays any more than twenty minutes at Hillsborough he gets a 20% pay increase.
Put that in context as specifics like Hillsborough would not be identified in a contract. What is the actual trigger/timeframe that you have read?
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Twelvety Squillion if he plays a full game. Twelvety Billion if he wins the Copper Boot.
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Another problem we'll have when he plays is him being on a 75K per goal bonus.
I heard, and don't shoot me, I'm just the messenger that he has a clause in his contract rewarding forward passes. Something in the region of £10k for each, and bonuses tied to completed forward passes to a player in claret and blue. Last season, had he played against West Ham those bonuses would have doubled for those games.
Apparently, he's seeking a move because he's angry at having been relegated and therefore not able to also play Burnley. That and the fact that it is claimed he doesn't think our kit is actually claret so he is suing for a breach of contract. His agent has described it as a "washed out pomegranate". It's with the lawyers now.
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Another problem we'll have when he plays is him being on a 75K per goal bonus.
I really hope that is not true, and if it is, the person who agreed it needs shooting. It is a team game FFS
It's fair enough. Every time anyone scores for us he gets £75K. Whether he's on the pitch or not.
And it's not just the senior team. Anyone scores at U-14 level or for the ladies, he's coining it in.
He might not realise it, but that kid of Legion's (Cam?) could be the clubs highest earner by Christmas in terms of playing time releasing payments, regardless of to whom.
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If Adama gets fit and we play him in the right way, with the appropriate defensive cover behind him, he'll destroy teams he plays against.
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He's got the potential to destroy teams. Last season he was constantly looking to go it alone when a pass would have been better. He's still very raw and he has to learn how to make the most of his ability. Right now Green and Hepburn-Murphy are probably ahead of him.
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I don't care what you prats have to say about his potential, I want to know exactly how much he earns per week.
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I've heard that his wage is linked to the exchange rate and every percentage point the pound goes down against the Euro his wage rises accordingly.
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Worst news of all...I heard when he scores a goal at VP he's demanding U2 is played over the tannoy as celebration music.
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I've heard that his wage is linked to the exchange rate and every percentage point the pound goes down against the Euro his wage rises accordingly.
Are you trying to say he effectively gets paid in Euros?
Fox should have hedged that one - idiot.
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Every time someone on here speculates he receives another £10k
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Worst news of all...I heard when he scores a goal at VP he's demanding U2 is played over the tannoy as celebration music.
The latest I'm hearing is that every time Bono clicks his fingers a child in Africa dies, and Traore gets a million pounds.
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I've heard that his wage is linked to the exchange rate and every percentage point the pound goes down against the Euro his wage rises accordingly.
What happens if Article 50 is triggered before the transfer window closes?
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I've heard that his wage is linked to the exchange rate and every percentage point the pound goes down against the Euro his wage rises accordingly.
What happens if Article 50 is triggered before the transfer window closes?
Apparently we have to trigger Article 51 before he's allowed to play. Nobody knows what Article 51 is.
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I've heard that his wage is linked to the exchange rate and every percentage point the pound goes down against the Euro his wage rises accordingly.
What happens if Article 50 is triggered before the transfer window closes?
Apparently we have to trigger Article 51 before he's allowed to play. Nobody knows what Article 51 is.
I heard he's located at Area 51. When they opened him up they found he was missing ankles. However the operation itself triggered a clause in his contract. I believe this where you will also need to enact Article 51.
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Mark the 14th of August in your calendars as on that day Villa will be part of history. Adama will become the highest ever paid player outside of a top division. As he is the one player without a relegation clause, coupled with being here 1 year triggering a very large 'loyalty' bonus plus a hefty pay rise, he'll be earning more this year than most top flight players around the world, including the PL.
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Absolutely disgraceful. And that's on top of his 75k a goal and 50k per assist bonuses.
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Who the fuck agreed anything like that :o
Doug Ellis apparantly. This sort of matter is left up to the President Emirates Airlines.
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I don't know how true this is but we've had to give him a million quid for his naming rights. It's in his contract that every time a commentator says his name, he gets ten grand. It wasn't so bad last season as we weren't on tv so much. But now we know we will be on Sky Sports most weeks next season, it works out cheaper just to pay the million. If true, the world has gone mad.
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I've heard his name is actually "Adam" but he added an extra letter as we've stupidly agreed to pay him 587 gold bars per syllable.
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I've heard that he's copyrighted his surname in it's entirety, and thus anyone speaking even the words "tray", "or" and "ray" are liable to pay royalties, directly into his PayPal account. Unless of course they can prove that these words were uttered during the course of non-commercial activity.
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He s just a figment of our imagination, there is no such player to be found at Villa Park or BMH.
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I tend to agree - he's a ghost 'player' and I'm confidently predicting we will never see him kick a ball in anger for us again
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Mark the 14th of August in your calendars as on that day Villa will be part of history. Adama will become the highest ever paid player outside of a top division. As he is the one player without a relegation clause, coupled with being here 1 year triggering a very large 'loyalty' bonus plus a hefty pay rise, he'll be earning more this year than most top flight players around the world, including the PL.
Oh dear.
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Ok back on planet earth do we actually know what the f*ck is going on with him and why he is not featuring
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There is a clause in Traore's contract that says he must take all penalties even if Villa re-sign Barry and the latter is on the pitch
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Adama Traore ,i had forgotten all about him ,must have been injured for around 90% of his time at Villa. He is our new Ivo Stas !
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More like Ivo Stash, given the amount of money we are paying him.
*shakes fist angrily.
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I've heard that his release clause is a secret (known only to the club) and must be met EXACTLY if a Club is to trigger it. Therefore, say for example the clause if £6,324,897.45p and a club offers £7m, they will not trigger said clause.
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who was responsible for buying Adama? Was it Paddy or Timmy?
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If you want to know what the release clause and pay hike details are then tune into the WM phone in tonight.
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I'd rather boil my head in formaldehyde while listening to Coldplay.
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More like Ivo Stash, given the amount of money we are paying him.
*shakes fist angrily.
Iva Stash surely
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We haven't seen him because what isn’t commonly known is that his name is a cunning anagram of Area Matador and every Saturday he gets on the bus to the Bull Ring fully attired with a red cloak draped over his arm actually looking for a bull ring.
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More like Ivo Stash, given the amount of money we are paying him.
*shakes fist angrily.
Iva Stash surely
Bugger, that works better...
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Without taking the piss, I really don't care what he is paid. He can do things none of our forwards can, and it is something we lack. As such I hope we find a way to keep him fit and get him on the pitch.
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Without taking the piss, I really don't care what he is paid. He can do things none of our forwards can, and it is something we lack. As such I hope we find a way to keep him fit and get him on the pitch.
What?
Pace i assume
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No, I think he means getting paid without actually taking the piss ON the pitch
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More like Ivo Stash, given the amount of money we are paying him.
*shakes fist angrily.
Iva Stash surely
Bugger, that works better...
thank you, you are welcome to run your posts past me prior to posting in future if you want :-)
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Will do. If Bob Hope can get a ninety year career out of nicking jokes, I'm not too proud to give it a go.
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Without taking the piss, I really don't care what he is paid. He can do things none of our forwards can, and it is something we lack. As such I hope we find a way to keep him fit and get him on the pitch.
Agree. I think there is a player in there , he was signed as a youth player almost, I want to see more of him on the pitch this season.
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It would be good just to be able to see him. Without any preseason i doubt very much it will be anytime soon. If speculation about his contract has any truth then would not be surprised if they were looking to get rid or at least loan him out.
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What exactly is the injury Adama has.Something seems very odd about his dedication towards the club.
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Adama's alive? Dive my Villamen, Dive!
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He's in light training apparently at this present time.
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Adama's alive? Dive my Villamen, Dive!
Send out war rocket Ajax, to bring back his body!
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He's in light training apparently at this present time.
Whereas we're in the dark about him ...
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Adama's alive? Dive my Villamen, Dive!
Send out war rocket Ajax, to bring back his body!
Yes but we only have 14 hours......
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one of my favourite films for all the wrong reasons - lusting after Omella Muti as Princess Aura, and then cringing over a pre Bond and distinctly un-Shakespearian like Timothy Dalton, marvelling over Peter Wyngarde's Department S-like Klytus (with bells on) and the most wooden leading man of all times. Oh and the simply marvellous Dive!! himself. Utterly brilliant in it's awfulness.
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one of my favourite films for all the wrong reasons - lusting after Omella Muti as Princess Aura, and then cringing over a pre Bond and distinctly un-Shakespearian like Timothy Dalton, marvelling over Peter Wyngarde's Department S-like Klytus (with bells on) and the most wooden leading man of all times. Oh and the simply marvellous Dive!! himself. Utterly brilliant in it's awfulness.
Agree. Have you seen Ted? "It's so bad ... But it's so good".
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He's in light training apparently at this present time.
Always wondered what 'light' training means. is he walking, running or hopping on his good leg.
Never quite understand why some think he has great potential. He hasnt shown us anything so far. Has he ever comlleted 90 mins for us? You can see his career petering out and returning to Spain. Hope im wrong
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The bits we've seen of him are the very definition of great potential, if he fullfills that potential is the question.
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I too hope you are wrong Rudy. Every minute he has played for us has been full of effort totally absent in all but one or two others in our entire squad. We have been so swamped by bad players we don't recognise a good one when we see him. Adama Traore is special. If we lose/knacker him it will be one of the most stupid events in a period of Villa history plastered with unforced calamities .
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I too hope you are wrong Rudy. Every minute he has played for us has been full of effort totally absent in all but one or two others in our entire squad. We have been so swamped by bad players we don't recognise a good one when we see him. Adama Traore is special. If we lose/knacker him it will be one of the most stupid events in a period of Villa history plastered with unforced calamities .
Nil Lamptey mark II
Loads of potential but I feel ultimately he will disappear off the radar
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I feel he could be good this season. I'm trusting our new manager and coach to guide him into the team and give him some confidence and trust. He could tear up this league with some good coaching.
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I feel he could be good this season. I'm trusting our new manager and coach to guide him into the team and give him some confidence and trust. He could tear up this league with some good coaching.
I have a feeling that some good listening might be more beneficial.
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He's in light training apparently at this present time.
Of course this is likely to be financially troublesome for us. Light training equals light pay increase of 50 percent of current salary which of course has already received several 'appearance based' increments.
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He's in light training apparently at this present time.
Of course this is likely to be financially troublesome for us. Light training equals light pay increase of 50 percent of current salary which of course has already received several 'appearance based' increments.
He's now triggered a 50% pay rise thanks to the Bank of England cutting interest rates.
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He's in light training apparently at this present time.
Always wondered what 'light' training means.
Perhaps we have told him he's got to come back in and have his tea when it gets dark?
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He's in light training apparently at this present time.
Always wondered what 'light' training means.
Perhaps we have told him he's got to come back in and have his tea when it gets dark?
Brilliant, remember it well.
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It's in his contract that everytime he plays in the dark, it triggers a £50k nocturnal payment clause.
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he's the only player in the world who gets paid for never playing.
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he's the only player in the world who gets paid for never playing.
I think there have been a good few of them in the Premiership over the years
Winston Bogard et al
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he's the only player in the world who gets paid for never playing.
I wonder who will bite first?
edit: i knew it wouldn't take long
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It's in his contract that everytime he plays in the dark, it triggers a £50k nocturnal payment clause.
Before the Notts County game I saw him throwing stones at the floodlights.
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yes, and then getting injured.
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My thinking is we must be paying him a lump sum every time he gets injured.
Calf or groin strain...£100K
Dislocated shoulder...£250K
Tweaked a hamstring...£400K
Torn Hamstring...£500K
Broken toe metatarsal...£1million
Paper cut...£10K
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My thinking is we must be paying him a lump sum every time he gets injured.
Calf or groin strain...£100K
Dislocated shoulder...£250K
Tweaked a hamstring...£400K
Torn Hamstring...£500K
Broken toe metatarsal...£1million
Paper cut...£10K
Ridiculous if true. Can't believe Tom Fox.
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he actually has a strange type of contra deal - every time he plays, he pays us. That explains it.
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Perhaps he secretly heads down to Gloucester to take part in 'cheese rolling' on a regular basis.
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So he is now fully fit, and RDM is having a look at him.
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So he is now fully fit, and RDM is having a look at him.
Well, he was when RDM spoke earlier. It's been a few hours now so it's anybody's guess!
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It was good to see Adama in the training pics on the OS. Apparently it cost the club £75k when he skinned Cissokho.
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Apparently came back from holiday injured.
Shades of N'Zogbia
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well, I wouldn't go that far
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It was good to see Adama in the training pics on the OS. Apparently it cost the club £75k when he skinned Cissokho.
worth it
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I keep forgetting we have him.
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It was good to see Adama in the training pics on the OS. Apparently it cost the club £75k when he skinned Cissokho.
Plus £100k for the image rights for the photo.
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well, I wouldn't go that far
Why? He came back from holiday injured
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because even Adama isn't as despicable as the Pot plant
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because even Adama isn't as despicable as the Pot plant
Granted
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So long Adama. We need players willing to fight for the cause.
12 apps in a poor villa team. You've done nothing to warrant this attitude.
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Report in the mail that he wants to leave.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/live-adama-traore-asks-leave-11764161 (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/live-adama-traore-asks-leave-11764161)
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Chap who sits next to me in the Lower Holte has some tenuous family relationship to a girl who Adama is going out with and reckons she says he's going back to Spain.
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Let's hope we get some money back and use it to fund someone who wants to be here .
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If true, a wanker of the first order.
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Disappointing. Was hoping to see him tear into defences this season.
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Why's he a wanker? He's barely had any playing time and we've been relegated. I'd want out too. Hope he doesn't go elsewhere and instantly realise his ridiculous potential.
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I'd rather have Ormondroyd. No offence Ormondroyd.
You played your part.
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Report in the mail that he wants to leave.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/live-adama-traore-asks-leave-11764161 (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/live-adama-traore-asks-leave-11764161)
Good, gtfo then.
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No loss whatsoever. We never see him, and he costs us a fortune for the privilege. Get rid.
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T'ra a bit.
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Don't let the door etc etc etc ......
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https://twitter.com/Dr_TonyXia/status/766026714115936257
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Technically great, but devoid of a footballing brain.
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Report in the mail that he wants to leave.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/live-adama-traore-asks-leave-11764161 (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/live-adama-traore-asks-leave-11764161)
The Mail thinking they've got a scoop when Tony tweeted it
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Shame, might have been quite exciting. Impact sub. Headless chicken but might have come good. You get the feeling he's struggled to settle.
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https://twitter.com/Dr_TonyXia/status/766026714115936257
you got to give it to dr X he gets asked a question....just answers it
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He should go as long as we get full value for him. No selling on the cheap.
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Half time at Rotherham he was more interested in talking to three goons in droopy jeans.
Feck off and stay fecked off.
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https://twitter.com/Dr_TonyXia/status/766026714115936257
you got to give it to dr X he gets asked a question....just answers it
The transparency is quite unbelievable. No sense in reading the paper or scouring through articles/social media if you can just ask your owner. Pretty cool!
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He wants players at his club that want to be here. But he's already said nobody will leave on he cheap so Adama better hope his agent can find a deal for him in the next two weeks for the value we will ask. Very exciting talent but it takes a lot more to fulfil potential. He's barely played, barely been fit. Not a huge loss at all.
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I recall someone saying they'd been to a reserve game he played in and he showed no interest in tracking back and didn't have anything in the way of team ethic.
His deal has also always been shrouded in a bit of mystery. All this talk of if he plays one more game his money goes up.
Try and get as much as we can for him and get someone in who gives a toss.
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What a wanker. We all had high hopes for him but after being permanently injured, he decides he can't arsed actually trying to play for us. Cocksocket of the highest order if this is true.
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I recall someone saying they'd been to a reserve game he played in and he showed no interest in tracking back and didn't have anything in the way of team ethic.
His deal has also always been shrouded in a bit of mystery. All this talk of if he plays one more game his money goes up.
Try and get as much as we can for him and get someone in who gives a toss.
Oh fuck...
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Anyone who isn't going to fight for the cause can quite frankly fuck off.
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I recall someone saying they'd been to a reserve game he played in and he showed no interest in tracking back and didn't have anything in the way of team ethic.
His deal has also always been shrouded in a bit of mystery. All this talk of if he plays one more game his money goes up.
Try and get as much as we can for him and get someone in who gives a toss.
Besides being "raw" isn't that why Barcelona flogged him?
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Don't blame him for wanting to go, just hasn't worked out for him.
Don't blame us for not being too bothered either..could have been good, maybe, but I'd given up on him long ago.
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I'm really disappointed by this. He has so much talent, but apparently he doesn't have the application. Just need to make sure we get the best deal possible.
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So we paid £7m for a bloke who never started a game for us? He makes Balaban look like a steal. If we get anywhere near half of that £7m someone at VP deserves a medal. What a waste of money.
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Why now? He came on at the weekend suggesting both club and player were finally on the same page and ready for him to get a chance to flourish.
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Why now? He came on at the weekend suggesting both club and player were finally on the same page and ready for him to get a chance to flourish.
According to the reports, he told RDM after the Rotherham cameo that he wanted to leave...so he basically got injured, picked up his large wages whilst getting getting back to fitness and decided he can't be arsed staying here.
Whats the point in having contracts with players if they can decide that they no longer want to stay, but we can't terminate contracts of players that we no longer want here? Really boils my piss.
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He'd be great if football was played in lanes and he just had to be the first to get to the finishing line with the ball still at his feet.
Creates excitement by running with the ball but struggles with the passing, crossing and shooting part of the game.
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Technically great, but devoid of a footballing brain.
Difficult to disagree. I've never known a footballer that when receiving the ball has to stop, wait, before going on a (mainly pointless) run. Sad really but he makes Gabby look like a member of Mensa. I find it strange how he managed to get through Barca youth and learn nothing about the game. Shame.
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Could be anything, but I'm thinking he'll just have a career of fleeting moments at a few clubs. He's what's often described as "your typical modern footballer". All hype and money too early but lacking in drive. There may be elements of homesickness but I'm not buying into that too much.
The bigger clubs seem to have a few of these kids floating around on the fringes of their squad but they can afford the gamble whereas we can't at the moment.
Flog him off for a decent amount.
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Never understood the fuss. Stupid deal in the first place. We didn't need him 12 months ago and we certainly don't need him now. Fuck off you over rated twat.
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Never understood the fuss. Stupid deal in the first place. We didn't need him 12 months ago and we certainly don't need him now. Fuck off you over rated twat.
I'm inclined to agree.
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Undoubtably there is some great talent there. I watched a youtube compilation of some of his runs, passing and the odd goal in the reserves. Most of the runs amounted to nothing but what's noticeable is how excited the kids comments are. Traoré tends towards those flashy types of moments they drool over through playing too much FIFA or PES. The end result is a talented yet very incomplete player who is yet to fit into any system Sherwood, Garde offered (although the words 'Sherwood' and 'system' in the same sentence are dubious) and doesn't look like doing so under Di Matteo. Another young player probably getting ahead of himself in terms of where he's at in his career.
In other words, all fart and no shit.
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Undoubtably there is some great talent there. I watched a youtube compilation of some of his runs, passing and the odd goal in the reserves. Most of the runs amounted to nothing but what's noticeable is how excited the kids comments are. Traoré tends towards those flashy types of moments they drool over through playing too much FIFA or PES. The end result is a talented yet very incomplete player who is yet to fit into any system Sherwood, Garde offered (although the words 'Sherwood' and 'system' in the same sentence are dubious) and doesn't look like doing so under Di Matteo. Another young player probably getting ahead of himself in terms of where he's at in his career.
In other words, all fart and no shit.
All fart and no shit implies no end product, but he managed a dozen or so assists over a full season in the Spanish second division, which I doubt is much worse than the Championship, and I'm sure he would've created plenty more chances which didn't get converted.
Of course he'll look better on the Youtube than in an actual match, but that's pretty much the case of any winger who's ever lived.
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I've seen as little of him as everyone else but he looks uncoachable to my eyes, just runs with the ball without any thought of what he's going to do. No great loss if he can be replaced by the end of the window.
Worrying thing is that I have it on very good authority that he has a clause in his contract giving him £5k a word for anything he writes in an official capacity whilst at Villa, if he submits a long winded transfer request then it's going to cost us. A lot.
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Footballing freak with no real benefit to a football team.
I just hope there is someone out there barmy enough to want him.
Maybe Stoke will come back for him?
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I just hope that he goes very quickly, and we are not left with him for the remainder of the season sulking and moaning
Read also that Hutton and Richards have told RDM that they want away (if true that is the best news I have read in a long time)
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Hopefully we can find a buyer before the window shuts. He hasn't played enough to be missed.
I think he'll end up moving about and end up cash rich but nothing to show for it, just like he is on the pitch.
Will be playing in Quatar or China in a couple of years or sooner no doubt.
I was at Palace for his debut and came away thinking he'd got it all. He hasn't.
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I have seen in the flesh every minute he played for us. He was potentially one of the most exciting players I have ever seen in a Villa shirt, certainly the quickest. Not to have made the most of him is unforgivable on the part of the managers and coaches responsible for bringing him on. That is what I think, you think what you think about him. The loss of such potential is entirely consistent with the managerial incompetence of the Lerner era.
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Undoubtably there is some great talent there. I watched a youtube compilation of some of his runs, passing and the odd goal in the reserves. Most of the runs amounted to nothing but what's noticeable is how excited the kids comments are. Traoré tends towards those flashy types of moments they drool over through playing too much FIFA or PES. The end result is a talented yet very incomplete player who is yet to fit into any system Sherwood, Garde offered (although the words 'Sherwood' and 'system' in the same sentence are dubious) and doesn't look like doing so under Di Matteo. Another young player probably getting ahead of himself in terms of where he's at in his career.
In other words, all fart and no shit.
All fart and no shit implies no end product, but he managed a dozen or so assists over a full season in the Spanish second division, which I doubt is much worse than the Championship, and I'm sure he would've created plenty more chances which didn't get converted.
Of course he'll look better on the Youtube than in an actual match, but that's pretty much the case of any winger who's ever lived.
Youtube clips - just add crap Ibiza. I take them with a grain of salt, Traoré's one however replicated virtually everything I'd seen him do previously in a Villa shirt coming off the bench last season - no end product. I'll give him some grace for injuries but still...
Thankfully our Jack seems to have realised that after a half season in the Prem and a blinder in a Semi Final, he's got to work even harder to back it up. Traoré has one good season at this level but by all reports still yet to come to that realisation.
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I just hope that he goes very quickly, and we are not left with him for the remainder of the season sulking and moaning
Read also that Hutton and Richards have told RDM that they want away (if true that is the best news I have read in a long time)
yes peas
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They both need to go but would leave us worryingly short on squad strength so a busy few days ahead. As for Adama the man of glass comes from a shite Barca second string and bombs. Terrible signing on a Balabanesque level.
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I have seen in the flesh every minute he played for us. He was potentially one of the most exciting players I have ever seen in a Villa shirt, certainly the quickest. Not to have made the most of him is unforgivable on the part of the managers and coaches responsible for bringing him on. That is what I think, you think what you think about him. The loss of such potential is entirely consistent with the managerial incompetence of the Lerner era.
Agree Brian. I too went to Palace and his cameo was something else, he looked the real deal. They just could not handle him, putting two, even three players on him. From that, to hardly playing is a mystery and suspect that his attitude must play a part.
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Mr U, I will have a friendly wager with you, if Traore is not in the team or on the bench of a Champions League club in the next two years, I will buy you and your wife lunch in The Sun in Alnemouth.
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They both need to go but would leave us worryingly short on squad strength so a busy few days ahead. As for Adama the man of glass comes from a shite Barca second string and bombs. Terrible signing on a Balabanesque level.
Yes, Hutton leaving would see us needing a right back but I cant think of a situation where I'd be happy to see Richards play again.
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Dante, Malandro may have touched on evidence of it but the deep seated problem with him is probably not football related. The word going the rounds that came to me via a Remi Garde contact was that he keeps bad company and refuses to distance himself from them.
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Undoubtably there is some great talent there. I watched a youtube compilation of some of his runs, passing and the odd goal in the reserves. Most of the runs amounted to nothing but what's noticeable is how excited the kids comments are. Traoré tends towards those flashy types of moments they drool over through playing too much FIFA or PES. The end result is a talented yet very incomplete player who is yet to fit into any system Sherwood, Garde offered (although the words 'Sherwood' and 'system' in the same sentence are dubious) and doesn't look like doing so under Di Matteo. Another young player probably getting ahead of himself in terms of where he's at in his career.
In other words, all fart and no shit.
All fart and no shit implies no end product, but he managed a dozen or so assists over a full season in the Spanish second division, which I doubt is much worse than the Championship, and I'm sure he would've created plenty more chances which didn't get converted.
Of course he'll look better on the Youtube than in an actual match, but that's pretty much the case of any winger who's ever lived.
Youtube clips - just add crap Ibiza. I take them with a grain of salt, Traoré's one however replicated virtually everything I'd seen him do previously in a Villa shirt coming off the bench last season - no end product. I'll give him some grace for injuries but still...
Thankfully our Jack seems to have realised that after a half season in the Prem and a blinder in a Semi Final, he's got to work even harder to back it up. Traoré has one good season at this level but by all reports still yet to come to that realisation.
Please don't be obtuse. The point I'm making is that an assist is not a Youtube clip, but it's an objective measure of end product, when you accused him of not having any. 14 assists over a season, which is the number I've gotten after a quick Google search, even in the Spanish second division, which is probably still quite decent given how good they are at football generally in Spain these days, is a very decent figure. Who was the last player we had to reach that many - Ashley Young, perhaps?
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I'm glad he's off. A total waste of time and money.
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Why now? He came on at the weekend suggesting both club and player were finally on the same page and ready for him to get a chance to flourish.
Whats the point in having contracts with players if they can decide that they no longer want to stay, but we can't terminate contracts of players that we no longer want here? Really boils my piss.
Because they can decide that they don't want to stay, but that doesn't mean they just up and leave unless we're ok with it.
If it were, Benteke would have gone to Spurs after one season with us.
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Brian I know we have differing opinions on Adama but I didn't realise you possessed precognitive powers as I am actually on hols this week and staying in Alnmouth!
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I don't know what people see in him, he has raw pace and strength but looks totally disinterested in playing football as a team game.
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I have seen in the flesh every minute he played for us. He was potentially one of the most exciting players I have ever seen in a Villa shirt, certainly the quickest. Not to have made the most of him is unforgivable on the part of the managers and coaches responsible for bringing him on. That is what I think, you think what you think about him. The loss of such potential is entirely consistent with the managerial incompetence of the Lerner era.
All true Brian but as he wants to leave - I'm going to forget him.
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Powers of deduction my dear Watson. Before I let the Traore thread go with a sad sigh, I remember a certain Peter McParland having exactly the same words used about him in his first games for us. "Raw" "Not a team player" "Just gets the ball and runs at the opposition" "he is a winger why can't he play like a winger? Stupid prat tries to score with his head" "too undisciplined, we need a proper winger like Herbie Smith. Get rid back where he came from". The man who won us our last cup final and shared a WC golden boot. Please don't tell me there is no comparison else I shall also relate the pelters faced by Dwight when he tried to break into the team, and Christian Benteke.
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I just see someone incredibly fast, and that's it.
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Powers of deduction my dear Watson. Before I let the Traore thread go with a sad sigh, I remember a certain Peter McParland having exactly the same words used about him in his first games for us. "Raw" "Not a team player" "Just gets the ball and runs at the opposition" "he is a winger why can't he play like a winger? Stupid prat tries to score with his head" "too undisciplined, we need a proper winger like Herbie Smith. Get rid back where he came from". The man who won us our last cup final and shared a WC golden boot. Please don't tell me there is no comparison else I shall also relate the pelters faced by Dwight when he tried to break into the team, and Christian Benteke.
I too find it a bit depressing. I feel as a player he needed to be eased in gently - we of course have no idea how he trains or his general attitude but these are things that management and coaches have to consider with all players.
Our recent seasons of struggle have meant that all our signings have needed to hit the ground running - no easy task when a lot of them were having to settle into a different league and country.
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He'd be great if football was played in lanes and he just had to be the first to get to the finishing line with the ball still at his feet.
Creates excitement by running with the ball but struggles with the passing, crossing and shooting part of the game.
Seems like Sherwood and Wilkins were right on this one - this is what they said and why they didn't wan to buy him in the first place.
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Powers of deduction my dear Watson. Before I let the Traore thread go with a sad sigh, I remember a certain Peter McParland having exactly the same words used about him in his first games for us. "Raw" "Not a team player" "Just gets the ball and runs at the opposition" "he is a winger why can't he play like a winger? Stupid prat tries to score with his head" "too undisciplined, we need a proper winger like Herbie Smith. Get rid back where he came from". The man who won us our last cup final and shared a WC golden boot. Please don't tell me there is no comparison else I shall also relate the pelters faced by Dwight when he tried to break into the team, and Christian Benteke.
You were bang on the money with Benteke, Brian. My concern is he's been hanging out with friends of friends of friends of Richard E. Never a good sign.
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Dante, Malandro may have touched on evidence of it but the deep seated problem with him is probably not football related. The word going the rounds that came to me via a Remi Garde contact was that he keeps bad company and refuses to distance himself from them.
I suppose we all have a few friends or family who are noses
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Well that didn't go as well as we all hoped it might.
For me it boils down to input and expected outcome - Villa put time and money in and the expected outcome has not been produced. Jog on...
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I have seen in the flesh every minute he played for us. He was potentially one of the most exciting players I have ever seen in a Villa shirt, certainly the quickest. Not to have made the most of him is unforgivable on the part of the managers and coaches responsible for bringing him on. That is what I think, you think what you think about him. The loss of such potential is entirely consistent with the managerial incompetence of the Lerner era.
You need a variety of qualities to be a footballer. Pace is certainly an asset but it's not everything.
He doesn't seem to much aptitude for football as a team game. Where you have a weakness you need to work around it - that comes as much from the player as anyone.
I'm sure you'd agree that like any successful employee, the players have to take personal responsibility to do a good job, improve their skill set and show their performance is better than their competitors.
So why you keep blaming the managers for everything that's gone wrong?
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Are you on my case again oldhill? I blame our managers because they have been bad managers and several bad coaches with them right back to Houllier. That is what I believe, backed up by what I have seen with my own eyes home and away at least thirty games a season. What do you believe?
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I just see someone incredibly fast, and that's it.
And yet we kept Gabby for 10 years for being exactly the same.
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Powers of deduction my dear Watson. Before I let the Traore thread go with a sad sigh, I remember a certain Peter McParland having exactly the same words used about him in his first games for us. "Raw" "Not a team player" "Just gets the ball and runs at the opposition" "he is a winger why can't he play like a winger? Stupid prat tries to score with his head" "too undisciplined, we need a proper winger like Herbie Smith. Get rid back where he came from". The man who won us our last cup final and shared a WC golden boot. Please don't tell me there is no comparison else I shall also relate the pelters faced by Dwight when he tried to break into the team, and Christian Benteke.
Who was Herbie Smith Brian? I don't think I am acquainted with that name.Who did he play for?
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He'd be great if football was played in lanes and he just had to be the first to get to the finishing line with the ball still at his feet.
Creates excitement by running with the ball but struggles with the passing, crossing and shooting part of the game.
Seems like Sherwood and Wilkins were right on this one - this is what they said and why they didn't wan to buy him in the first place.
I thought Sherwood said he had been tracking him for a few years.
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He is raw but exciting. Talent like this sometimes just need time and space on the pitch to do their own thing and then you start to add things like tracking back to their game. Is there time or is their too much pressure in the modern game to be able to give a player this freedom.
I see that Everton have just paid £25m for a similar player, albeit with more experience.
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Unwilling to fight for Villa until your knees explode? Bye.
I don't care about last year, or the last five years. This is a new club, now. The old one committed suicide in public a few months ago.
No more coasters, no more piss-takers. If you're the best player in the world on a free, but you're not 100 percent committed to the cause, you can fuck off.
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He is raw but exciting. Talent like this sometimes just need time and space on the pitch to do their own thing and then you start to add things like tracking back to their game. Is there time or is their too much pressure in the modern game to be able to give a player this freedom.
I see that Everton have just paid £25m for a similar player, albeit with more experience.
Out and out wingers like Bolasie and Zaha who cannot cross a ball with any accuracy but occasionally score a magnificent goal never make it at the highest level.Neither will Adama wherever he plays.
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hes not exactly tony Daley
i wonder how much TD would have cost at his peak
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Unwilling to fight for Villa until your knees explode? Bye.
I don't care about last year, or the last five years. This is a new club, now. The old one committed suicide in public a few months ago.
No more coasters, no more piss-takers. If you're the best player in the world on a free, but you're not 100 percent committed to the cause, you can fuck off.
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hes not exactly tony Daley
i wonder how much TD would have cost at his peak
More like Arthur Daley, the bastard charlatan. 60k a week to not play. Obviously he thinks he can do better. Nii Lampety II indeed.
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I'm just rewording this as I hadn't had anywhere near enough coffee when I wrote it in the first place.
Last week, the Doc tweeted one of his cryptic ones about Jedinek where he made some cryptic remarks after the bit about Jedinek being happy to join us?
In the same tweet, he went on about someone not being able to be kept if their heart isn't with us. I would bet that was about Adama. The timings would make sense as it was just after the Rotherham game I think?
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If you remember The Docs tweet about Jedinek where he made some cryptic remarks after the bit about Jedinek being happy to join us? Just after that, in the same tweet, he went on about someone not being able to be kept if their heart isn't with us. Bet that was about Adama.
like Yoda he has become hmmmmm
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He sounds like an ungrateful little shit. A year's wages for about sixty minutes play and as soon as he's vaguely approaching full fitness, he demands a transfer.
I imagine he has a lengthy contract so no need to get shafted here. Money back, or he stays.
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Unwilling to fight for Villa until your knees explode? Bye.
I don't care about last year, or the last five years. This is a new club, now. The old one committed suicide in public a few months ago.
No more coasters, no more piss-takers. If you're the best player in the world on a free, but you're not 100 percent committed to the cause, you can fuck off.
👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
Brilliant.
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Unwilling to fight for Villa until your knees explode? Bye.
I don't care about last year, or the last five years. This is a new club, now. The old one committed suicide in public a few months ago.
No more coasters, no more piss-takers. If you're the best player in the world on a free, but you're not 100 percent committed to the cause, you can fuck off.
👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
Brilliant.
Word!
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Get rid if he don't want to be here.
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Another charlatan. Fuck him off.
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He wants us to fuck him off. We shouldn't be seen to be pandering to the whims of ****** like him. If we don't get our money back, he has to stay. Fine him twice his wages for every week he refuses to play. We will make a profit eventually!
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I wouldn't be too upset if we didn't recoup all of the fee, it's more saving the astronomical weekly wages for a player who never plays that is of real concern
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I just see someone incredibly fast, and that's it.
And yet we kept Gabby for 10 years for being exactly the same.
I'm no fan of Gabby any more but I have seen him pass the ball and act, at least in a footballing sense, with intelligence.
Adama could be five times the player Gabby is if he carried out instructions but it looks like it wont materialise here.
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Simply cut out losses ....... 3 million .....but he is off the wage bill ....no loss as he simply hasn't played
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I think he is a better player than people are making out on here. You do not go through the development ranks at Barcelona and be around as long as he was without having something. In the end they clearly thought he was not going to make the 1st team there and needed to clear the decks. It was rumoured when we signed him that there was a sell on clause so Barcelona must have thought he would develop beyond a £7m player.
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I think he is a better player than people are making out on here. You do not go through the development ranks at Barcelona and be around as long as he was without having something. In the end they clearly thought he was not going to make the 1st team there and needed to clear the decks. It was rumoured when we signed him that there was a sell on clause so Barcelona must have thought he would develop beyond a £7m player.
Yep, that first game against Notts County - the whole ground stood up when he limped off.
He looked something special to me, not to be it would appear. Shame.
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I think he is a better player than people are making out on here. You do not go through the development ranks at Barcelona and be around as long as he was without having something. In the end they clearly thought he was not going to make the 1st team there and needed to clear the decks. It was rumoured when we signed him that there was a sell on clause so Barcelona must have thought he would develop beyond a £7m player.
Undoubtedly but like another talented player we have been discussing, Ravel Morrison, he has to be able to harness the talent and listen to instructions. We simply haven't seen much of his talent other than that of running very fast before losing the ball.
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I think he is a better player than people are making out on here. You do not go through the development ranks at Barcelona and be around as long as he was without having something. In the end they clearly thought he was not going to make the 1st team there and needed to clear the decks. It was rumoured when we signed him that there was a sell on clause so Barcelona must have thought he would develop beyond a £7m player.
He could be better than Messi, but that's no use if he doesn't want to play for us. Remember the old adage: you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him cross it to Gestede for him to bury it with a bullet header.
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Someone put a stat up that he's played 200 minutes for us and made 4...yes only 4 passes.
Sad to see him go,but only because of the potential..we can't miss what we never had.
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The jury is still out or me. Imagine a young player new to the country, raw but talented being coached bythe likes of Sherwood, Garde and Black across 9 months in the basket case that was the Villa last season.
He could have a world beater or a panel beater but you'd be hard pushed to know after last years utter shambles.
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I think he is a better player than people are making out on here. You do not go through the development ranks at Barcelona and be around as long as he was without having something. In the end they clearly thought he was not going to make the 1st team there and needed to clear the decks. It was rumoured when we signed him that there was a sell on clause so Barcelona must have thought he would develop beyond a £7m player.
He could be better than Messi, but that's no use if he doesn't want to play for us. Remember the old adage: you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him cross it to Gestede for him to bury it with a bullet header.
"You can lead a horse to water but a pencil has to be lead". Stan Laurel 1920something 😄
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A ball greedy overpaid player who's not a team player. Won't be missed, didn't see what all the fuss was about when he comes on we lose our shape and he loses the ball trying to look good taking on several players when a simple pass to a teamate would suffice.
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The difficulty with him is that we have seen so little. What is obvious is that no manager trusts him as the managers he has played for none have had him in the team.
We were at Sunderland and he did that run and pass for the goal in one the few bright moments last year but it was like watching a kid who has never been coached in his life. He never tracks a runner and whoever he is playing with is constantly shouting at him to get in position.
Who knows what he can be, it would be good to find out but I am not sure he will be a sustained run in any team at the minute never mind ours. No-one has come in for him for him, we hear the wages are an issue but who really knows.
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Completely non plussed by this. He's done nothing to warrant any concern at losing him. Problem is why would anyone pay us what we've already shelled out on him to take him off our hands?
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A ball greedy overpaid player who's not a team player. Won't be missed, didn't see what all the fuss was about when he comes on we lose our shape and he loses the ball trying to look good taking on several players when a simple pass to a teamate would suffice.
This; he's fucking useless and always will be.
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Annoyed with this. Another billy big bollocks player who had contributed nothing and seems to think he is above playing for us.
Pity as he has talent, if only he had a better attitude.
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Well he has displayed an uncanny ability to make it look as though the ball is attached to his boots by invisible string and run very fast in a straight line with blinkers on. He might actually be better off in another sport.
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comes on as sub - makes one run, powder puff shot. Then spends the rest of the game standing around wondering what to do and repeat the next appearance.
May have raw talent but no sign he can be coached....£7m, makes you want to cry..
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Well he has displayed an uncanny ability to make it look as though the ball is attached to his boots by invisible string and run very fast in a straight line with blinkers on. He might actually be better off in another sport.
Vacancies on Blackpool beach!
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The difficulty with him is that we have seen so little. What is obvious is that no manager trusts him as the managers he has played for none have had him in the team.
We were at Sunderland and he did that run and pass for the goal in one the few bright moments last year but it was like watching a kid who has never been coached in his life. He never tracks a runner and whoever he is playing with is constantly shouting at him to get in position.
Who knows what he can be, it would be good to find out but I am not sure he will be a sustained run in any team at the minute never mind ours. No-one has come in for him for him, we hear the wages are an issue but who really knows.
Against Rotherham, it was Jack who was having to instruct him where to stand when defending a free kick
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I don't understand - for weeks people on here were wanting him to be on the bench or to start.
Now everyone hates him!
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I don't understand - for weeks people on here were wanting him to be on the bench or to start.
Now everyone hates him!
I think that its frustration rather than hate. Against Rotherham, he came on, ran with the ball twice and was then MIA for the rest of the game
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I like him, even if he has a lot to learn as a footballer. If we got him fit and he played 30 games this season he could be the difference between going straight up and play-offs (or missing the play-offs and being in them) as this division wouldn't cope with him.
However, if he thinks the division or Villa are beneath him he can go fuck himself.
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I really think he might be better suited to athletics or working as a male model
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Sounds like he hasn't got the application to make it as a top footballer.
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As somebody said on Twitter, he's the new Nil Lamptey. Bags of talent and somebody who will try to beat people all day, but not a team player by any stretch.
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Nii !
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That'll be his Aston Villa predictive text from last season. It got so used to typing Nil
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The bottom line is he can't be bothered with any of it, basically he has no future as a professional footballer, perhaps in another sport as other people have suggested!
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Did he really ever want to come to Villa? Where all the injuries genuine? You have to question them now .......... he is no loss to us simply because he didn't play for us in the year he has been here
Have we ever wasted so much money before?
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I don't understand - for weeks people on here were wanting him to be on the bench or to start.
Now everyone hates him!
;D
The Black Messi he was called on here not long ago.
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Did he really ever want to come to Villa? Where all the injuries genuine? You have to question them now ..........
Do you?
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Have we ever wasted so much money before?
Habib Beye says hello. As does Zog. And Balaban. And Curcic. And collymore. And Kozak. And Makoun.
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Have we ever wasted so much money before?
Habib Beye says hello. As does Zog. And Balaban. And Curcic. And collymore. And Kozak. And Makoun.
Some true some not ....big transfer fee plus the large weekly wage when added together ....... only Zog I would think was earning the same
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For starters they were all here longer so cost us more money and many of them were on equivalent money. Balaban was on 20K a week 15 years ago for example.
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Have we ever wasted so much money before?
Habib Beye says hello. As does Zog. And Balaban. And Curcic. And collymore. And Kozak. And Makoun.
And Djemba Djemba. And Joe Cole.
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I like him, even if he has a lot to learn as a footballer. If we got him fit and he played 30 games this season he could be the difference between going straight up and play-offs (or missing the play-offs and being in them) as this division wouldn't cope with him.
However, if he thinks the division or Villa are beneath him he can go fuck himself.
Absolutely this. If true the sooner the better too. This season we really need players who want to be here.
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If we sell we MUST replace Adama in this window. What about Nakhi Wells? I thought he made quite a difference when he came off the bench on Tuesday night.
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If he's not willing to listen then he has to go. He can't believe his own hype before he's actually done anything. He might have come from Barcelona, but he's a long way from being Lionel Messi. Piss poor attitude.
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Fuck the fucker.
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If we sell we MUST replace Adama in this window. What about Nakhi Wells? I thought he made quite a difference when he came off the bench on Tuesday night.
I'd take Wells. I'd like to see another winger in too.
If Lescott goes soon and we can ship off Gabby, Richards (looks like he'll be given a chance), Okore (donkey), and Kozak I think the squad will then be about right. I'd like us not to have too many hanging round like a bad smell. Those that aren't in RDM's thinking are best gone. That's easier said than done of course.
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Have we ever wasted so much money before?
Habib Beye says hello. As does Zog. And Balaban. And Curcic. And collymore. And Kozak. And Makoun.
And Djemba Djemba. And Joe Cole.
and jolean says "hi"
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Hassan kachloul. A whole seaon of £40k a week but never even made the bench.
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If its true that he was on £60k/week then he's extorted over £3m from the club...I don't know how many minutes of game time he had, but that equates to approx £600,000 per game if you include his 15 minute cameo against Rotherham.
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If its true that he was on £60k/week then he's extorted over £3m from the club...I don't know how many minutes of game time he had, but that equates to approx £600,000 per game if you include his 15 minute cameo against Rotherham.
He can't be blamed for time out injured or can he?
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If he doesnt want to be part of the Xia revolution then he should go. No more time for players with a piss poor attitude. If the past few years has taught me anything its that players attitudes do not get better no matter how much I hope they will.
Once a whiner always a whiner.
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So when are Barcelona activating the buy back clause?
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Hassan kachloul. A whole seaon of £40k a week but never even made the bench.
Er, he actually was instrumental in our charge to the top of the table til Newcastle hammered us first Saturday of November. Scored a winner at VP against Charlton I think and he bought a piano off a H&Ver. More than most manage.
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I really think he might be better suited to athletics or working as a male model
Circus clown.
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or runner with his pace ?
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Going to Middlesbrough apparently
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This is intended with no malice whatsoever.
Good riddance to the footballing freak !
Football is a team game, and this 'footballer' has no comprehension of playing for a team.
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I think we'll regret this....
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I think we'll regret this....
what's there to regret? He wants to leave
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I think we'll regret this....
what's there to regret? He wants to leave
If he does go to Boro, that would show how badly he wants out
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He's got to get through a medical yet!
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I think it's a huge shame. But as long as there is a huge sell on percentage. He will be a star one day.
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I think we'll regret this....
what's there to regret? He wants to leave
As things are yes not the one for us. If someone else can't turn him into a first team player so be it.
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They can have him, best of luck getting him to;
a) stay fit
b) chase back
c) pass to a team mate
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You have to build your side round him and you have to allow for the fact he won't defend or help out his team mates at all, but part of me feels like he'll be great to watch if he's given 30 games (and is actually fit). He'll be a pain in the fucking arse, but he'll light games up for them. Is he too much of a luxury for a side who will be fighting relegation? Absolutely. But if their boss shows enough faith he'll be good to watch.
I don't think we can carry him. I hope we get a good fee and I'll be curious to see how he does. Either he takes it by storm there or he disappears off the footballing map completely within 2 years. I doubt there's a middle ground with this lad.
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It's a big shame really. I just hope we negotiate some good clauses on future development.
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Whether it's a straight swap for Adomah or a fee involved, put in a sell on clause. Hopefully, it's a swap.
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Whether it's a straight swap for Adomah or a fee involved, put in a sell on clause. Hopefully, it's a swap.
Stuart Downing.......come on down.
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To be a regular PL player or just a player that maximizes his potential he'll have to radically improve his overall contribution. Superb going forward but he's so far been a liability when he doesn't have the ball. Boro will be one of the teams towards the bottom of the PL this season and they will need all hands to the pump. They won't able to afford passengers.
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We should all be distraught at a player of his talent joining an inferior team, that we are not speaks volumes.
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I had some mint imperials in my pocket at the Rotherham game, I wish I'd launched one at his bonce. Another snake leaving the camp.
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I loved watching him in his all too brief appearances. As much as a team needs players like Jedinak, it's players like Adama that really get you going as a fan.
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Someone is going to have to explain to me where the hype concerning Adama comes from. He has played 9 first team games and started, how many? Constantly injured, looks bulky and unfit when he has played. All this has been judged on a performance against a really shit Notts County and a couple of lively substitute appearances. What has the guy actually contributed for the ridiculous fee? He's made 10 appearances in 3 whole years and hasn't had a sniff of U21 representation. The guy is overrated.
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I loved watching him in his all too brief appearances. As much as a team needs players like Jedinak, it's players like Adama that really get you going as a fan.
true but only until he loses the ball and doesn't chase back. Then the frustration sets in.
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I loved watching him in his all too brief appearances. As much as a team needs players like Jedinak, it's players like Adama that really get you going as a fan.
true but only until he loses the ball and doesn't chase back. Then the frustration sets in.
You can teach a 20 year old to do that, you can't teach a 20 year old to be exciting.
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Nii Lamptey of 2015/16. Looks lively until you find out he's actually not that good and will end up playing for 23 clubs in the next 8 years
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Another arsehole gone hopefully. Middlesboro is probably about his level as a club, Villa are too good for him.
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Whether it's a straight swap for Adomah or a fee involved, put in a sell on clause. Hopefully, it's a swap.
Stuart Downing.......come on down.
Am I the only one who saw this and thought hmmm maybe not such a bad shout?
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Weasel-faced arse
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Whether it's a straight swap for Adomah or a fee involved, put in a sell on clause. Hopefully, it's a swap.
Stuart Downing.......come on down.
Am I the only one who saw this and thought hmmm maybe not such a bad shout?
I'd hope so.
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I'd have loved him to stay and prove us all wrong...but if he goes...fuck the fucker.
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He's a ****** but I'll still be sorry to see him go. In always biased in favour of wingers but, even so, think he could be very good indeed.
Hope we get decent money for him, at least.
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He's got to get through a medical yet!
The medical is tonight. Wait until he opens his eyes in the morning to see the delights of Smogville. I'd want more than £60k a week to live there.
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To be fair some of the villages in North Yorkshire are fantastic, a lot of the Leeds players lived there when they weren't quite so shit.
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He's got to get through a medical yet!
The medical is tonight. Wait until he opens his eyes in the morning to see the delights of Smogville. I'd want more than £60k a week to live there.
For £3m a year I would definitely give it a go.
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Karanka, being Spanish, will know alot about him, maybe he will know how to get the best out of him.
He could be one of the best players in Europe, unfortunately I don't think he has the mentality to be.
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Someone is going to have to explain to me where the hype concerning Adama comes from. He has played 9 first team games and started, how many? Constantly injured, looks bulky and unfit when he has played. All this has been judged on a performance against a really shit Notts County and a couple of lively substitute appearances. What has the guy actually contributed for the ridiculous fee? He's made 10 appearances in 3 whole years and hasn't had a sniff of U21 representation. The guy is overrated.
Yep. Feel the same way. Some worship him on here, and whilst he may prove to be a good player, he has done nothing to warrant any genuine hope of potential.
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I hope we've got a replacement lined up though. Hopefully one more deal could be done. Tone reckons the loan deals are the difficult ones, maybe one in on deadline day. If not, Ayew will be playing a lot of games on the right wing this season.
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He's got to get through a medical yet!
The medical is tonight. Wait until he opens his eyes in the morning to see the delights of Smogville. I'd want more than £60k a week to live there.
For £3m a year I would definitely give it a go.
Mercenary!
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Karanka, being Spanish, will know alot about him, maybe he will know how to get the best out of him.
He could be one of the best players in Europe, unfortunately I don't think he has the mentality to be.
It didn't help our French players having the wise old sage Eric Black who had coached in France manage the team. His experience meant fuck all.
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He's got to get through a medical yet!
The medical is tonight. Wait until he opens his eyes in the morning to see the delights of Smogville. I'd want more than £60k a week to live there.
That's why none of their players live in Middlesbrough, at one stage most of them lived in and around Harrogate.
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Someone is going to have to explain to me where the hype concerning Adama comes from. He has played 9 first team games and started, how many? Constantly injured, looks bulky and unfit when he has played. All this has been judged on a performance against a really shit Notts County and a couple of lively substitute appearances. What has the guy actually contributed for the ridiculous fee? He's made 10 appearances in 3 whole years and hasn't had a sniff of U21 representation. The guy is overrated.
Yep. Feel the same way. Some worship him on here, and whilst he may prove to be a good player, he has done nothing to warrant any genuine hope of potential.
To say he's done nothing is plain wrong. He's not played enough but on the few occasions he has been fit/picked he's invariably done something positive. I hope Karanka puts some faith in him as it'd be a shame if he's never given the opportunity.
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He doesn't want to be here. Get him up to Boro's and get him acquainted with their treatment table.
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He's got to get through a medical yet!
The medical is tonight. Wait until he opens his eyes in the morning to see the delights of Smogville. I'd want more than £60k a week to live there.
That's why none of their players live in Middlesbrough, at one stage most of them lived in and around Harrogate.
Indeed. People always come up with this "imagine having to live there" chat, as if any millionaires are going to be living in the run-down areas.
There are perfectly nice, luxurious and picturesque areas within easy commute to any British city for those with sufficient wealth.
Even Stoke.
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He's got to get through a medical yet!
The medical is tonight. Wait until he opens his eyes in the morning to see the delights of Smogville. I'd want more than £60k a week to live there.
That's why none of their players live in Middlesbrough, at one stage most of them lived in and around Harrogate.
Indeed. People always come up with this "imagine having to live there" chat, as if any millionaires are going to be living in the run-down areas.
There are perfectly nice, luxurious and picturesque areas within easy commute to any British city for those with sufficient wealth.
Even Stoke.
Nurse, CD needs his tablets again. He said Stoke had some pretty parts! Stronger dose please Nurse!
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All the Stoke players live in Cheshire
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He's got to get through a medical yet!
The medical is tonight. Wait until he opens his eyes in the morning to see the delights of Smogville. I'd want more than £60k a week to live there.
That's why none of their players live in Middlesbrough, at one stage most of them lived in and around Harrogate.
Indeed. People always come up with this "imagine having to live there" chat, as if any millionaires are going to be living in the run-down areas.
There are perfectly nice, luxurious and picturesque areas within easy commute to any British city for those with sufficient wealth.
Even Stoke.
Nurse, CD needs his tablets again. He said Stoke had some pretty parts! Stronger dose please Nurse!
I said there were some nice areas within an easy commute, I didn't actually say there were any within the city itself!
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The few times I've seen Traore in action I thought he had brilliant speed but clumsy with the ball just the attributes that Gabby had. Great if we can get decent money for him.
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Again, even if you're Lionel Messi with a pair of bionic feet, if you don't want to play for Villa, there is no more off than it is possible for you to fuck.
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A real conundrum. Easily most exciting signing last summer. Done so little for us, obviously injury prone but then he was left out when fit so there must be more to it.
I'm actually really interested to see how he does elsewhere.
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The few times I've seen Traore in action I thought he had brilliant speed but clumsy with the ball just the attributes that Gabby had. Great if we can get decent money for him.
I'm happy to move him on, but he's got oodles more talent with the ball than gabby.
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you can't miss what you've never had.
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Again, even if you're Lionel Messi with a pair of bionic feet, if you don't want to play for Villa, there is no more off than it is possible for you to fuck.
I was pretty pleased when Benteke changed his mind and decided to stay. I'll be happy to give Traore a chance if he's still here tomorrow.
If he's gone then, yes, get him to fuck and good riddance.
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For me it all depends on if we're getting something meaningful, ie Adomah, in return. As much as I am excited by Adama as a player and by his obvious potential, in our current situation we need the finished article, or at least a player that is experienced in the league to help us win it (or finish at the top end).
It may be a slight downgrade in the long term, but for the purposes of the next two years, Adomah would probably give more to the squad NOW, which is most important.
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I don't think we will be buying him back for £100 million ala Man Utd and Pogba anytime soon. Overrated.
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one trick pony - pace....
when that goes he'll be a Gabby.
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I hope that he still goes, for me he is not a team player
I am sure that if he was so good, then RDM would be playing him every week in the Championship
Did he not turn up late on a match day, so was taken off the subs list?
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one trick pony - pace....
when that goes he'll be a Gabby.
Hopefully before that he'll knock in 70+ league goals.
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I wonder what the odds on on relegation for Middlesboro, might have a punt. With Guzan in goal, and wasting money on players like Adama they are in danger of becoming the new old Villa.
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Again, even if you're Lionel Messi with a pair of bionic feet, if you don't want to play for Villa, there is no more off than it is possible for you to fuck.
I was pretty pleased when Benteke changed his mind and decided to stay. I'll be happy to give Traore a chance if he's still here tomorrow.
If he's gone then, yes, get him to fuck and good riddance.
I was pleased when Delph changed his mind too, what a week that was.
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On the plus side, regardless of potential, if Adama goes we'll be saving roughly £280,000 a week in wages won't we?
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On the plus side, regardless of potential, if Adama goes we'll be saving roughly £280,000 a week in wages won't we?
£280,000 a second, isn't it?
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On the plus side, regardless of potential, if Adama goes we'll be saving roughly £280,000 a week in wages won't we?
£50,000 a kick, £25,000 for every step over, £75,000 for every cross into the box apparently
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I think if you divide minutes on the pitch with his salary it works out at £400,098 per second.
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Is it a loan or a full sale?
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I think if you divide minutes on the pitch with his salary it works out at £400,098 per second.
How much is that per fan erection?
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He's now history confirmed on borough Twitter feed four year deal. At least he survived the medical
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Ghost, footballer, 100m runner? Not sure.
Anyway all the best Adama, thanks for....well erm...thanks mate....
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Has he officially gone? How much did we get back for him?
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Is it a loan or a full sale?
Sold. Four year contract.
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He came, he ran, got injured, ran a bit more, then he went.
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We shall watch his career with interest.
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Was never fit when he was looked awesome potential but we will never know now.
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We shall watch his career with interest.
If he is to do well it's decent bet he'll do it with Boro. Their manager, Karanka, knows all about him from his time with the Spanish Youth set up. Shame he never worked out for us but if he's not in RDM's plans, it's best he tries somewhere else.
Was there any fee involved or was it a direct swap for Bertie?
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I've missed something with this one. An injury prone player is off the wage bill. I do wonder how often he was "injured" as well.
It also doesn't look like Barcelona want him back either.
Let's face it if he hadn't have been signed from one of the football elite most people wouldn't care less he had left.
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He'll provide flashes of absolute brilliance and we will think what if. What we won't see as readily is the times he plays that will frustrate the hell out of Boro fans as it did us. In he depths of our plight manager after manager chose not to play him. When he was even fit that is. He'll be called upon to defend as part of a team at Boro as they fight to stay up and it will be interesting if he will find that side of his game. Because let's face it if he had hat in his game now Barcelona wouldn't have let him join us.
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We didn't get much of a look at him to form a proper opinion. Looked a bit Forrest Gumpish but if he gets an extended run in a side he might be very effective. On the other hand he could be one that the premier league defenders work out very quickly. No tears shed.
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Good luck Adama, I'll watch with interest
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He'll provide flashes of absolute brilliance and we will think what if. What we won't see as readily is the times he plays that will frustrate the hell out of Boro fans as it did us. In he depths of our plight manager after manager chose not to play him. When he was even fit that is. He'll be called upon to defend as part of a team at Boro as they fight to stay up and it will be interesting if he will find that side of his game. Because let's face it if he had hat in his game now Barcelona wouldn't have let him join us.
Pretty much exactly what I have said to mate just:
'When i saw him play against Notts and everyone was waxing lyrical about him I said to Ad he won't make in the big time. He has freakish pace and power but literally nothing else. I've personally never seen a more selfish footballer and if he can't learn to pass and move at Barca then Karanka has a job on his hands. You'll see him on MOTD and he'll play a blinder and you'll think we should have tried harder to keep him but I guarantee he'll be a liability most of the time.'
IF and it's a big IF he can learn to be more of a team player and work off the ball (both attacking and defending) then they will have a player on their hands, but he's not 13 years old learning the ropes.
Like has been said it will be interesting but my instinct is that he won't go any higher.
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We didn't get much of a look at him to form a proper opinion. Looked a bit Forrest Gumpish but if he gets an extended run in a side he might be very effective. On the other hand he could be one that the premier league defenders work out very quickly. No tears shed.
Seems to me we've swapped like for like here. Bags of promise and pace but ultimately flatters to deceive. Thanks for nothing Adama. Good luck Adomah.
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I think if you divide minutes on the pitch with his salary it works out at £400,098 per second.
How much is that per fan erection?
That's weird.
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Probably for the best, though he was bought by a set up with poor coaching and then by a coach working in a crisis. Could develop into a good player under a good coach, which is what Boro have, but I reckon he will be abroad in a year.
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As long as we have some sell on clauses in there is don't care about him going.
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Probably for the best, though he was bought by a set up with poor coaching and then by a coach working in a crisis. Could develop into a good player under a good coach, which is what Boro have, but I reckon he will be abroad in a year.
Depending on his contract, how he performs and boro's fate.. who knows. I'm just glad he's off our books with that ridiculous incentivized contract. I honestly think he'll be a bust, just too much of a liability if the team isn't pressing forward.
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I hope we negotiated a big sell on clause.
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Good, waste of a wage, always injured.
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Like Okore another player we had so much hope for and who showed so much potential. Speaking for myself not gutted at all only because we are not losing much. He barely played and he wanted to leave.
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The few times I've seen Traore in action I thought he had brilliant speed but clumsy with the ball just the attributes that Gabby had. Great if we can get decent money for him.
I'm happy to move him on, but he's got oodles more talent with the ball than gabby.
No comparison with the gabby of 07 to 2011. At least Gabby HAD a track record, Adama has none
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He was a China bull in a China shop.
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I'd be surprised if he was a success at Boro, and that's not taking anything away from them. He wasn't disciplined enough for Barca either.
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He was a China bull in a China shop.
A very good analogy.
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Such a shame we never saw the best of him.
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The man of glass doesn't shatter our dreams by leaving for the cold north east.
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May he fail like at Villa. Hate the thought that we were the problem and not him
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Like Okore another player we had so much hope for and who showed so much potential. Speaking for myself not gutted at all only because we are not losing much. He barely played and he wanted to leave.
I wholeheartedly agree with you, TV. He was done here & it was high time everybody had a fresh start. Hopefully his replacement will now make the most of his new challenge with us. Fingers crossed eh?
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If he was 23 plus, then I would be very pleased to see him go. But the kid's only 20 and might well improve greatly over the next couple of years and turn out to be a top Premier League player.
Over the next few years, I just hope the fans don't regret, the club's decision to let him go. Only time will tell.
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I'm disappointed he didn't get more of a chance here.
Never started a league game here! How many games combined have Bacuna, Hutton, Westwood and Gestede all started over the last few years.
Yes he had his flaws but I think he'll surprise a few at Boro...few more Spanish speakers up there and Karanka will have seen him a lot for Barca B so I reckon he'll have more idea of how to use him.
I would've loaned him out for a year and then re-assessed next summer but looks like we had to sell to get in Adomah.
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If he didn't want to stay here and play then we did the right thing to get rid, we can't afford any passengers or malcontents this season.
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Any indication of what the terms of the deal might be?
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I'm disappointed he didn't get more of a chance here.
Never started a league game here! How many games combined have Bacuna, Hutton, Westwood and Gestede all started over the last few years.
Yes he had his flaws but I think he'll surprise a few at Boro...few more Spanish speakers up there and Karanka will have seen him a lot for Barca B so I reckon he'll have more idea of how to use him.
I would've loaned him out for a year and then re-assessed next summer but looks like we had to sell to get in Adomah.
Surely though he had a chance and didn't take it. At a time we were crying out for someone like him to come and make a name for himself he was either injured or not deemed worthy of selection. I realize we had buffoons as managers too but that said when three of them didn't select him then the player has to look at himself in the mirror too.
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I'm disappointed he didn't get more of a chance here.
Never started a league game here! How many games combined have Bacuna, Hutton, Westwood and Gestede all started over the last few years.
Yes he had his flaws but I think he'll surprise a few at Boro...few more Spanish speakers up there and Karanka will have seen him a lot for Barca B so I reckon he'll have more idea of how to use him.
I would've loaned him out for a year and then re-assessed next summer but looks like we had to sell to get in Adomah.
Surely though he had a chance and didn't take it. At a time we were crying out for someone like him to come and make a name for himself he was either injured or not deemed worthy of selection. I realize we had buffoons as managers too but that said when three of them didn't select him then the player has to look at himself in the mirror too.
He was told time and again by three managers last season (and indeed by RDM this) that he had to show more. He had to work harder. Given the workrate those playing were showing, I dread to think just what Traore was showing in training.
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I'm disappointed he didn't get more of a chance here.
Never started a league game here! How many games combined have Bacuna, Hutton, Westwood and Gestede all started over the last few years.
Yes he had his flaws but I think he'll surprise a few at Boro...few more Spanish speakers up there and Karanka will have seen him a lot for Barca B so I reckon he'll have more idea of how to use him.
I would've loaned him out for a year and then re-assessed next summer but looks like we had to sell to get in Adomah.
Surely though he had a chance and didn't take it. At a time we were crying out for someone like him to come and make a name for himself he was either injured or not deemed worthy of selection. I realize we had buffoons as managers too but that said when three of them didn't select him then the player has to look at himself in the mirror too.
He never once started a league game, how many have Bacuna, Gestede, Hutton and Westwood started combined over last 18 months.
In the run in I'd have given him starts from April once we knew we were down but Eric Black was a moron.
He did make things happen in brief cameos...Own goal at Palace, that mad run up at Sunderland. It's a brief sample but that's all I have to go on.
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I would have been more concerned if he had been a great player for us. He has great potential but that's it.
He might be great he might not. We were happy to let him go, which is easier to accept than when we were selling players like Benteke, Milner, Barry or Young.
I will watch his career with interest, but I will watch Adomahs more.
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Moody Billy big bollocks who I think thought he was above us. The Barcelona thing went to his head unlike a young Fabregas who came, learned and improved significantly as a player
You cannot miss what we never had. He may have had poor coaching but I doubt he will kick on and disappear a very rich young man
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I assume he was supposed to sign for Stoke, but just kept his head down and carried on running?
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I can forgive him for not being able to distinguish between the two locations
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I assume he was supposed to sign for Stoke, but just kept his head down and carried on running?
Large clappy thing
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As has been mentioned before, there are similarities between Traore and Nii Lamptey. Clearly a player in there but it just didn't work out for him with us.
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Interesting quote from the Middlesbrough Gazette regarding Adomah, which if true, might mean they can get a lot more out of Traore than we did. The description of Adomah pre-Aitor coaching sounds familiar:
The irony of Albert’s exit is that he more than anyone exemplified the impact of Aitor at the club - and both supporters and critics of the boss and the ingrained solid 4231 can chew over the same evidence.
Under the new intense coaching regime Adomah, a maverick and inconsistent winger with a head-down attacking instinct, was gradually transformed tactically and technically into a different player.
He became more disciplined, more aware of the shape and the system, more adept at tracking back, a better fit for the team shape and more aware of his responsibilities.
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Traore won't be missed. Barca probs had 1st option to buy him back and wouldn't touch him again. Probs has all the talent to be a pro footballer but has no brains, not a team player, a rear end gabby would be proud of and all the wrong attitude. Like okore best moved on.
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All that pace, all that ability and all that money, but what did he deliver?
One good cross at Sunderland.
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The only time I saw him in the flesh was in a youth game against West Ham last season. He stood out at that level, but not in a good way.
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if he don't wanna be here,
like I give a shit about him.
Wanker.
oh and do mind that blade of Grass, fuckin fanny.
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Dr X has tweeted that we will benefit if he becomes great in the future.
At last a clause in a contract that we will benefit from.
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All that pace, all that ability and all that money, but what did he deliver?
One good cross at Sunderland.
The goal at palace was pretty much all him.
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Well done to the Villa for shifting him. While his debut at Palace was the most exciting I've ever seen, he simply doesn't have a team or work ethic. As my good friend Mr P.Withe says, he is uncoachable. No Spanish speaking manager or different environment will change him. File under wasted talent.
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Well done to the Villa for shifting him. While his debut at Palace was the most exciting I've ever seen, he simply doesn't have a team or work ethic. As my good friend Mr P.Withe says, he is uncoachable. No Spanish speaking manager or different environment will change him. File under wasted talent.
that echoes my position. If he had hunger I'd be gutted but if he wants out there's not much we can do.
I wish him luck and success as I don't think the FOUR managers have given him many opportunities to shine so it is little wonder he feels no affiliation.
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Yeah, bye. Glad we got something for him (trade or cash). I am no longer interested in "he is young and could come good" players. We have enough of those, losing one who didnt want to be here is fine by me.
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I read that we got about 7m for him and paid 4 up front with 2 on promotion for Adomah, so not a bad deal if indeed Tony has got us a decent sell on in the future.
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It would be worth someone asking Tony about any sell-on clause, he'd probably answer!
Any sell-on due to Barcelona would only be on profit, right? So if we paid £7m and got the same back we'll likely have broke even with nothing further due to Barca.
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I read that we got about 7m for him and paid 4 up front with 2 on promotion for Adomah, so not a bad deal if indeed Tony has got us a decent sell on in the future.
If Dr Love managed to do that deal I'm more than impressed.
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I think many fans saw him as our great hope in a sea of shit last season, but the optimism was misplaced. He's an inexperienced kid and it was probably wrong, albeit understandable, for us to build him up in such a way.
...plus we've just saved millions per week in wages by moving him on :)
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He should have been given more chances when he was fit.
It is. easy to slate him now but we seem to have done a great job of keeping mediocrity happy and alienating talent.
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I read somewhere that Karanka said he has known him "since he was a kid" so presumably thinks he will be able to get a tune out of him.
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He should have been given more chances when he was fit.
It is. easy to slate him now but we seem to have done a great job of keeping mediocrity happy and alienating talent.
You can thank Eric Black for that!
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He should have been given more chances when he was fit.
It is. easy to slate him now but we seem to have done a great job of keeping mediocrity happy and alienating talent.
You can thank Eric Black for that!
like a lot in here I will not forgive that idiot for his gutless months in charge.
Sherwood could have given him more time as well.
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He should have been given more chances when he was fit.
It is. easy to slate him now but we seem to have done a great job of keeping mediocrity happy and alienating talent.
genuine question...how many more chances did we have to play him when he was properly fit that we chose not to ?
As I said, I think we had unreasonable expectations from the start regarding him...he played 2 seasons for Barcelona B and 3 late sub appearances for Barcelona 1st team, then came to Villa. He turned out to be the player he was...inexperienced in the top flight and full of (still) unrealized potential.
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Is it a loan or a full sale?
Sold. Four year contract.
How much?
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Is it a loan or a full sale?
Sold. Four year contract.
How much?
£7m apparently
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Any word on if we got a sell on clause inserted? Dr Xia seemed to suggest we had yesterday but the Tweet isn't there any more (not that I could see anyway).
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Because of his contract with us, we have to match any profit Boro make on him and we still pay Adama 50K a goal for the next 5 seasons.
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Ha! there's probably a grain of truth in that
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Is it a loan or a full sale?
Sold. Four year contract.
How much?
£7m in his back pocket, apparantly.
Fixed
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He was massively overated. If he'd come from Man City on that contract we'd have all gone wtf? Barcelona in " having shite youth players" shocker
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Same old same old. Pick a player. Slag him off.
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No just common sense Brian. There must be hundreds of players who are currently plying their trade with "ex-barca youth" on their CV's. Most aren't much cop, because they tend to keep the good ones
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Same old same old. Pick a player. Slag him off.
...and all day long, you'll have good luck
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I've just watched Adama against arse today and Murphy has been raving about him on MOTD. During his eulogy he screamed 'how he hasn't got in the Villa side I don't know.' Calling him a great find. Don't these I'll informed pundits do your head in? Don't they know about his £1,000 per minute appearance bonus?!
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Don't they also realise that as soon as we were relegated he couldn't wait to jump ship.
Hence, going to Middlesboro. Fucking middlesboro.
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It's his one game per season where he gets noticed. The rest of the season will be his injury recovery period or keystone cops period.
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I'm happy with Adomah, but let's not kid ourselves, this kid has it. He could destroy any left back in the world on his day. Just depends if he can find the consistency and composure to take his game on.
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Let's not kid ourselves...this kid still has no end product and will be injured again sooner rather than later.
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For me Adomah completely changed the course of yesterday's game when he came on.
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He certainly made a difference no doubt about that.
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Adama will look good occasionally because of his searing pace.his one major attribute.So did Tony Daley but consistency will always be the problem for this type of winger.
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Adama might be good, he might not. Truth is that he was constantly injured and despite a couple of moments of brilliance he actually delivered very little. How many goals or assists has he managed for Boro? Do we miss him? Not yet.
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Adama might be good, he might not. Truth is that he was constantly injured and despite a couple of moments of brilliance he actually delivered very little. How many goals or assists has he managed for Boro? Do we miss him? Not yet.
It was more Black scandalously benching him and Jack for that matter in the run in and continually playing the likes of Bacuna and Richardson as wide options who were receiving dogs abuse at that stage. Oh and the pathetic Sinclair.
That Bournemouth home game last season remains one of the worst team selections I've ever seen from a professional manager although RDM ran him very close at times this season.
The kid clearly has something....Garde should've given him more of a run aswell. I think he'll go on to have a good career like Cahill so one we'll regret not giving more of a chance too.
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Just watched the arsenal vs boro highlights and his pace and power is frightening at times and he is still young too. However, how often he manages to start games and then influence them with this sort of play remains to be seen as others have said.
He has bags of talent though and I hope he does well.
As soccerHQ says he could be a very good player like when Cahill left us, me and some of the lads were going through the players that have gone on to do good things after leaving us at the match yesterday and Adama was mentioned as a possible one for the future. We may regret selling him although we never knew how good he could be as he didn't play enough for us.
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Adama is still very young and a bit raw. He's still learning the game. But I think he'll be very good in the next couple of seasons. Still blame Eric Black mainly for not selecting him particularly when we were as good as down. What was there to lose at that point? - stupid decision making from him and Garde.
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The fact it that we were in such a mess whilst he was here that we did not set up the team to supply him properly. He came on for an occasional 15 mins and mostly stood around isolated waiting for a pass. Another player wrong time wrong place story.
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I know I'm being cynical but what Adama did yesterday is precisely what he did for us. Other fans will have seen the highlights and thought just as we are now. That he is incredible. Then neither us nor them would see that again for weeks or months.
Now maybe with good coaching he's starting to show the promise and consistency we all hoped of him. Time will tell. But in he situation we found ourselves in last year he wasn't available enough for any number of reasons. And when he was he wasn't consistent or reliable enough. He wanted out from the club once relegated and just like Sanchez and Veretout who jumped ship they can fuck off too. A properly coached and responsive Adama would have destroyed the Championship but he didn't have the stomach for it. So be it. We need dedicated players.
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Not that he did not have the stomach for it TV. There were other non football issues with Traore. I also think the charge of Vertout and Sanchez "jumping ship" is harsh.
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Not that he did not have the stomach for it TV. There were other non football issues with Traore. I also think the charge of Vertout and Sanchez "jumping ship" is harsh.
So what was the full story with Traore? I still don't feel I know.
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I'm looking forward to seeing the goals and assists he made in the game yesterday. Sounds like a hell of a player
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We're all feeling a bit jilted here I think. He was brilliant yesterday and there was plenty of end product including a great cross and a lovely through ball. If the forwards take the chances, he has a couple of assists. If he can stay free of injury then he could be very special, he looked better yesterday than he ever did for us and he had top class defenders on toast.
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Not that he did not have the stomach for it TV. There were other non football issues with Traore. I also think the charge of Vertout and Sanchez "jumping ship" is harsh.
So what was the full story with Traore? I still don't feel I know.
There is no story. We have lost Traore, Sanchez and Vertout because we were a total shamble from top to bottom last season and had no plan for these players.
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I'm looking forward to seeing the goals and assists he made in the game yesterday. Sounds like a hell of a player
He had two runs both resulting in two shots and played the full game that's equivalent to what he did for us whenever he came on!
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He may well prove quite a few of us wrong someday turn out to be that more complete player he's shown glimpses of. Despite the club masquerading as the shower of shit it was last season, I can't help but think that by the time he is 30 odd, he'll be one of those players to have a list of appearances for about a ten clubs. He'll be a bit of a curiosity til then.
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I'm looking forward to seeing the goals and assists he made in the game yesterday. Sounds like a hell of a player
He had two runs both resulting in two shots and played the full game that's equivalent to what he did for us whenever he came on!
Yes. Two runs, two shots. No goals, no assists. Bang on form from his playing day with us. Sorry, "days"
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I'm looking forward to seeing the goals and assists he made in the game yesterday. Sounds like a hell of a player
He had two runs both resulting in two shots and played the full game that's equivalent to what he did for us whenever he came on!
Yes. Two runs, two shots. No goals, no assists. Bang on form from his playing day with us. Sorry, "days"
In other news, everyone but Kodjia and Adomah were rubbish for us yesterday because they were the only two people who registered recordable statistics.
Bollocks to the likes of Bacuna and Amavi. No goals or assists, so they as well not even bothered playing.
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Well at least we'll have put a nice transfer clause on any future sale should he go supersonic, right?
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Be grateful he didn't score, we still have to pay him a goal bonus of 25K a goal until the end of the 2017/18 season.
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Not that he did not have the stomach for it TV. There were other non football issues with Traore. I also think the charge of Vertout and Sanchez "jumping ship" is harsh.
So what was the full story with Traore? I still don't feel I know.
There is no story. We have lost Traore, Sanchez and Vertout because we were a total shamble from top to bottom last season and had no plan for these players.
Agreed. These are players who wanted to play regularly for us. They didnt get to. So when they got an opportunity to go somewhere else they did.
I cant be angry at them, I AM angry at the complete waste of talent by our previous managers.
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I thought we still 'own' two of them, so we might well see them back in C&B
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Be grateful he didn't score, we still have to pay him a goal bonus of 25K a goal until the end of the 2017/18 season.
We've got to pay him £500,000 for each time he's the focus of any analysis on Match Of The Day.
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Be grateful he didn't score, we still have to pay him a goal bonus of 25K a goal until the end of the 2017/18 season.
We've got to pay him £500,000 for each time he's the focus of any analysis on Match Of The Day.
The smart money is on him earning just 500k this season from that then
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Be grateful he didn't score, we still have to pay him a goal bonus of 25K a goal until the end of the 2017/18 season.
We've got to pay him £500,000 for each time he's the focus of any analysis on Match Of The Day.
£25,000 every time a Boro fan mentions him approvingly on Twitter.
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Be grateful he didn't score, we still have to pay him a goal bonus of 25K a goal until the end of the 2017/18 season.
We've got to pay him £500,000 for each time he's the focus of any analysis on Match Of The Day.
£25,000 every time a Boro fan mentions him approvingly on Twitter.
Bet Bob Mortimer is on it, he's mentioned him favourably a couple of times.
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I bet he gets relegated with Boro this season.
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I bet he gets relegated with Boro this season.
Probably, but I'm not sure that is a direct reflection on his ability. I wish him well, for whatever reason he was not wanted by our managers so don't blame him for jumping ship.
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A game against Arsenal is ideal for Traore as the counter attack is Middlesborough's main option. He becomes the outlet as he can run a bit. He should be due some sort of injury by now shouldn't he?
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I've said before that I like him, one of the very few things to enjoy at games last season was seeing him come on and hoping you'd see something remotely exciting. If he stays fit he'll cause havoc for defenders in most of the games he plays.
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Don't you think it says it all that it was his first start of the season for Middlesboro after 8 games, especially as they are struggling, why is that if he is so brilliant?
False dawn springs to mind as Middlesboro fans will find out!
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Don't you think it says it all that it was his first start of the season for Middlesboro after 8 games, especially as they are struggling, why is that if he is so brilliant?
False dawn springs to mind as Middlesboro fans will find out!
He was here for Boro's first three games.....
He had a couple of promising cameos from the bench and has followed it up with a start just like Adomah has.
Big problem was some of the promising cameos from the bench were not rewarded with a start last season although of course he did get an injury at Sunderland when he could possibly have broken through at that point.
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Don't you think it says it all that it was his first start of the season for Middlesboro after 8 games, especially as they are struggling, why is that if he is so brilliant?
False dawn springs to mind as Middlesboro fans will find out!
He's played in 4 of their 6 games since signing for them. Bit hard for him to play in their first few as he was still with us ;)
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I forgot that he played for us until I saw this thread, Adomah is a better fit for were we are now.
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he was very effective when he came on in Saturday's game
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I hope he goes on to be 'sensational' for Boro - the type of Juninho type who shines in a poor side and maybe helps them scrape survival. That way maybe someone will spend ridiculous money on him in the summer & we get a sell on.
Boro will def have the problem with him that he isn't a player who contributes to a team structure, it's whether they have the problem that he is constantly injured as well that will define if he is a success
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How much do we have to pay him when a villa fan writes him off as injury prone or tries to make out that he's shit because he didn't do much for us (mainly because he never had a chance to).
He's very young, what he needed last season was for a manager (any of them) to work closely with him and help him learn how to be effective using his assets, rather than just being dumped on the pitch for 10 minutes every 3-4 games.
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I think he'll do well for Boro for what it's worth
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I think he'll do well for Boro for what it's worth
Catching up with the highlights of premier league and matches during international break and you're right from what I'm seeing in his matches particularly against bournemouth and arsenal he was also a real threat against Manchester city. Can anyone recall how much he was sold for. Imagine him and gana in the championship would be top 2 for sure !
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The main blame for him leaving was being ignored by Garde and mainly Eric fucking Black. He'll do well at Borough as he matures.
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Everybody seems to be conveniently forgetting that if we played him as often as The Smogmonsters have, we would be Twelvety Squillion Squids down on the cash flow front and probably facing bankruptcy proceedings.
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The main blame for him leaving was being ignored by Garde and mainly Eric fucking Black
I'm more inclined to think it's more down to thinking the championship was beneath him (similar to Gil/Veretout) when in fact it's about all three's level
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The main blame for him leaving was being ignored by Garde and mainly Eric fucking Black
I'm more inclined to think it's more down to thinking the championship was beneath him (similar to Gil/Veretout) when in fact it's about all three's level
He's making a reasonable, but not spectacular, attempt at being a PL player with Boro. Personally I think he never felt wanted at Villa which probably affected his enthusiasm and consequently commitment to the club and training. All last season's managers should share some of the blame there as they under utilise the player.
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Can't be every manager's fault.
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Can't be every manager's fault.
True, I suppose. Sherwood and Black are the two I'd blame most. Sherwood had a responsibility to make him feel welcome, especially as he signed him, and Black had nothing to lose by playing him. The difficulty is knowing whether he was actually injured and whether it was he or the club that were diagnosing the never ending list of knocks. Without that information it's all speculation.
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Everybody seems to be conveniently forgetting that if we played him as often as The Smogmonsters have, we would be Twelvety Squillion Squids down on the cash flow front and probably facing bankruptcy proceedings.
That says it all Good point well made. But wouldn't his wages pale in the significance of staying up. If Boro stay up this season I fancy him being a major contributor as he is often at the hubs of all attacking play since he's been drafted in. On side not he's really upper body strong and very fast so he certainly physical enough
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Draws a lot of excitement when gets tge ball .against Chelsea yesterday really was danger man impressive pace and strength
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I only saw about 10-15 minutes of the second half but I thought he looked quite poor. Often made the wrong option and stood around too much. I thought he looked unfit.
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I thought he made poor decisions, too.
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He got Man-of-the-match against Arsenal at the Emirates. Still, as you say, a poor player.
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Yes, he did.
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He does tremendous things with the ball when he has it in space. His end result is often still very poor and runs into trouble way too often. Good thing is he is still very young so time is very much on his side.
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Article on Sky website today .Basically saying he is very fast...and as Middlesbrough's fans
are finding that is about it.
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Not playing tonight.Dropped to the subs bench......against Hull!
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He's just a quicker version of Zog
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Despite his recent hype can anyone update me on his goal and assist stats since he moved up north?
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Not playing tonight.Dropped to the subs bench......against Hull!
If he had played it would be like Bambi on ice!
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You've just given me a great idea for a Xmas Its A Knockout. Dress contestants from other countries in bambi outfits, give them some crack, and put them on the ice rick wearing skates. first class mayhem.
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The guys a class act just needs refining and developing. Having been schooled at Barcelona and attacking game he has struggked over hete with diffetent tactics and was not playing yester due to tactics same as those villa matches (and wages) he ll be amazing once goes back to la liga after learnibg some more aspects in England
Article in guardian:
Adama Traoré arrived in England trailing a reputation as an astonishing hybrid of Lionel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo. Perhaps predictably, it did not take him long to disappoint his new public
“It was good to hear that from Tim,” says Middlesbrough’s elemental winger, diplomatically recalling the moment when Tim Sherwood, the manager who brought him from Barcelona to Aston Villa for £7m during the summer of 2015, described his game as “a bit of Messi and a bit of Ronaldo”.
He added: “But when people think it’s possible that I can play like this, and then I don’t, those people question you.”
Considering that Traoré is still only 20 and arrived at Villa Park having made only four appearances for Barcelona’s first team, it seems no surprise that he struggled to marry extraordinary pace and dribbling ability with an end-product.
As the relegation-bound Villa entered a tailspin and Sherwood was replaced by Rémi Garde, Traoré became a scapegoat for the club’s wider problems. With his £40,000-a-week wage depicted as a millstone, there was barely concealed glee when, on last summer’s transfer deadline day, he was dispatched to Teesside in exchange for Albert Adomah.
After a slow start, Traoré has begun Boro’s past five games, swiftly becoming a crowd favourite and lending Aitor Karanka’s side a more attacking, improvisational, pace-suffused dimension which has not only upset full-backs but also helped improve results. While everyone acknowledges that the elemental, force-of-nature aspect of his game needs balancing with increased tactical discipline, Hull City’s defence will not relish facing Traoré when they visit the Riverside for the “relegation six-pointer” on Monday night.
“Aitor tells me I need to work on my tactics and the way I sometimes play the game because here in England it’s different to Spain,” he says. “If the team’s playing on the counterattack, I have to go back and defend. At Barcelona, it was a bit different. There wasn’t as much focus on defending and ‘doing your job’ when you didn’t have the ball. Aitor takes me to one side a lot and tells me the things he wants to work on. I don’t want to become a totally different player, but I know there are things I have to improve.”
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And yet Adama did not feature at all against Hull.
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Headless chicken.
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class act? Fuck me. He's a player with a lot of potential but hasn't quite worked out how to unlock it. There is a lot of room to grow in front of him, but as Boro are finding out, Adama isn't always up for the fight.
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I wouldn't be rushing to write off Adama. Ronaldo didn't have much end product until he was in his early twenties. Adama has a lot of talent, and I don't know if he'll make it but I wouldn't write him off for a lack of end product at this point.
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He could be good, yes, but all he is right now is a very fast winger. just like Gabby when he first broke into the team. Also, who would you have rigth now a 20 year-old tony Daley (THAT Everton goals was a few days after turning 21), or a 20 year-old Adama? World class potentially? Maybe - but he's not shown an ounce of it thus far.
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I wouldn't be rushing to write off Adama. Ronaldo didn't have much end product until he was in his early twenties. Adama has a lot of talent, and I don't know if he'll make it but I wouldn't write him off for a lack of end product at this point.
If by 'end product' you mean goals, then fine, I agree but in no way was he ever one dimensional, quite the opposite in fact, you'd struggle to find any player that has so many qualities; passing, dribbling, crossing, heading, running, the bastard had the lot.
Reading that article, it seems Adama is reluctant to change much his game. Fortunately it's no longer our problem.
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Adama was one of 4 players that I hoped we'd keep. I was gutted when he left because I thought he was a great option from the bench and possibly more if he developed his game.
After the dust has settled, I think we have got the better end of the deal (for a change) and have swapped a sub for a first 11 player. Adomah has given a high level of performance and I'm sure that most would agree with me on this. It seems he's a real character in the dressing room as well.
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No doubt he still had a lot of things to improve upon, but the criticism about his end product confuses me a little - I'm pretty sure he managed something like 12-15 assists in his final season playing for Barcelona B in the Spanish second division, which I can't imagine would be much worse than the Championship, even with all the money going into the latter these days. Given that, I'm sure he could have produced a similar number if he had stuck around.
Happy with Adomah though - I think he and Jedinak have been our best players since Bruce took over.
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No, Segunda B (or whatever it is) would be like League One at best. For all the clamour for the delights of Barcelona/Real madrid and maybe half the top flight in Spain I'd wager that the bottom 5 or 6 in the Premier League would more often than not defeat their Spanish counterparts. As for second division newcastle, Norwich, us, and many more, could play all 20 in the respective Castillian division and win a lot more than not.
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Adomah, or Adama, give me Adomah all day long, the kid may have alot of potential, but as I have stated about him before, a team player he is not and he has no positional sense once he ends up losing the ball again and again.
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Right now Adomah is a far better fit for us. He has been really good. Maybe in the future Adama will turn in to the player some of us think he could be, but our need here and now is far more pressing.
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Boro will be in that bottom 5 or 6 come the end of the season - 'if' we do have a sell on clause then let's hope he does a Juninho & excels in a garbage team & come the summer one of the better teams who can afford to carry attacking passengers for bench cameos will spend a ludicrous amount on buying him. Adama will never be a team player but he has talent to create something out of nothing so clubs will always take a punt on him
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No, Segunda B (or whatever it is) would be like League One at best. For all the clamour for the delights of Barcelona/Real madrid and maybe half the top flight in Spain I'd wager that the bottom 5 or 6 in the Premier League would more often than not defeat their Spanish counterparts. As for second division newcastle, Norwich, us, and many more, could play all 20 in the respective Castillian division and win a lot more than not.
I've looked it up, he spent his final season there playing in the second division, not in the Segunda B which is a tier below. I don't want to get into a debate about league quality, but I find it really difficult to believe that playing some bog-average Championship side such as Barnsley most weeks would have somehow been a noticeable step up from the teams of the Spanish second division, given all the technically-sound players they've been shitting out for at least a decade now, for Adama.
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Reading his quotes in the Guardian article you can see why Barcelona moved him on.
He doesn't understand the Barcelona work ethic. If you see Barcelona lose the ball they work and work until they get it back. He was under the impression that this element of the game is for someone else. I don't think you will here the same thing from Barcelona's attacking players.
That article masked his attitude to his profession sound ridiculous. He only 'does his job' because the manager is banging on and on at him.
I enjoyed watching his odd run, but that little view into his mind set is enough to tell me we are well rid.
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Reading his quotes in the Guardian article you can see why Barcelona moved him on.
He doesn't understand the Barcelona work ethic. If you see Barcelona lose the ball they work and work until they get it back. He was under the impression that this element of the game is for someone else. I don't think you will here the same thing from Barcelona's attacking players.
That article masked his attitude to his profession sound ridiculous. He only 'does his job' because the manager is banging on and on at him.
I enjoyed watching his odd run, but that little view into his mind set is enough to tell me we are well rid.
I saw the interview on tv and he basically said that. He said the wingers don't need to work that hard defensively at Barca. Has he seen them play?
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I haven't seen the TV interview, but if he thinks what he has said then he is on another planet.
Barcelona's attacking players work harder when they don't have the ball than when they have it. That is why they usually have the ball, apart from their fantastic passing.
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I think he meant the B team.
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I think he meant the B team.
I'd he did say it, that doesn't really make a difference though - they're taught to all play the same way from the youth team through to the first team.
It's not like the Barcelona B team play a "hoof it long to the winger who's got in behind" style.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39695746
It is the age old question - who is better? Lionel Messi or Cristiano Ronaldo?
Well, there is one player who outshines them both... Middlesbrough's Adama Traore.
According to the International Centre for Sports Studies (CIES), the 21-year-old Spanish winger is the best player in Europe - when it comes dribbling.
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Perhaps the only bit worth quoting...
However, Traore's dribbling skills haven't made much of a difference to Boro. He has no goals and just one assist for the side currently second from bottom in the Premier League.
...says it all really.
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Perhaps the only bit worth quoting...
However, Traore's dribbling skills haven't made much of a difference to Boro. He has no goals and just one assist for the side currently second from bottom in the Premier League.
...says it all really.
He got more than that for us last season!
Complete show pony. Guzan, Gestede, Traore, did Paddy Reilly make his way to Boro this season? Downing diabolical again while his home town team goes down.
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The true example of all fart and no shit
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The true example of all fart and no shit
Then he surely will end up at Spurs.
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He's 21 and has started 15 games and has been one of their better players in most of those games according to their forums (I had a quick look at a few of them). He's a work in progress but if someone can get his delivery and/or finishing right his pace, power and dribbling are exceptional. I watched a bit of their game against Swansea a few weeks back and he was a far better player than the one we saw cameos of last season so he is learning.
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There's a player in there, just sort out his defending, awareness, passing, decision making, crossing and teamwork.
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We really have stitched Middlesvilla up good and proper with these deals (I thought it was a mistake selling Traore at the time but seems I was wrong).
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Put him in the same category as Jordan Ayew.
Promised much and delivered fuck all.
Both guys will make a phenomenal living out of a game they rarely set alight
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I suggested at the time of his departure that once Boro found themselves at the shit end of the table they'll want nothing to do with Traore. And so it has proved. Very much a luxury player and even then has very little to offer when he does actually play.
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I thought it was strange at the time that Middlesbroughs tactic to stay up was to sign players from one of the Premier leagues weakest ever squads.
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I watched him for the first time in a while when they lost to Arsenal the other week. He came on, gave the crowd a bit of a lift, went on one of those runs where he forgets he's got 10 team mates, gave the ball away and then promptly disappeared for the rest of the game.
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I watched him for the first time in a while when they lost to Arsenal the other week. He came on, gave the crowd a bit of a lift, went on one of those runs where he forgets he's got 10 team mates, gave the ball away and then promptly disappeared for the rest of the game.
yep that's the one
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He's shit.
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Well rid of him and Barcelona are to be honest.
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Put him in the same category as Jordan Ayew.
Promised much and delivered fuck all.
Both guys will make a phenomenal living out of a game they rarely set alight
Ay, Ayew has done zip all for Swansea; anonymous on the games I've heard / watched.
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He's not a footballer.
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He's 21 and has started 15 games and has been one of their better players in most of those games according to their forums (I had a quick look at a few of them). He's a work in progress but if someone can get his delivery and/or finishing right his pace, power and dribbling are exceptional. I watched a bit of their game against Swansea a few weeks back and he was a far better player than the one we saw cameos of last season so he is learning.
Yes just like Stephen Ireland.
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He's 21 and has started 15 games and has been one of their better players in most of those games according to their forums (I had a quick look at a few of them). He's a work in progress but if someone can get his delivery and/or finishing right his pace, power and dribbling are exceptional. I watched a bit of their game against Swansea a few weeks back and he was a far better player than the one we saw cameos of last season so he is learning.
Yes just like Stephen Ireland.
If someone could transplant a brain, and skill, and yadda yadda etc. He's shit. Middlesbrough are shit too. He gives them a lift because he injects pace into their side, but all that means is he gives the ball away faster than their slow players.
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He's 21 and has started 15 games and has been one of their better players in most of those games according to their forums (I had a quick look at a few of them). He's a work in progress but if someone can get his delivery and/or finishing right his pace, power and dribbling are exceptional. I watched a bit of their game against Swansea a few weeks back and he was a far better player than the one we saw cameos of last season so he is learning.
Yes just like Stephen Ireland.
If someone could transplant a brain, and skill, and yadda yadda etc. He's shit. Middlesbrough are shit too. He gives them a lift because he injects pace into their side, but all that means is he gives the ball away faster than their slow players.
A beautifully put, magnificently dismissive post!
Excellent stuff (and I agree).
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Excellent stuff. Even his YouTube video showed what a one trick pony he is. That trick was stand still, kick it ten feet past his man, then sprint like Usain Bolt in a straight line with the ball. It's OK looking good doing it against Spanish 16 year olds half his size, but the Premier League is a bit different.
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Put him in the same category as Jordan Ayew.
Promised much and delivered fuck all.
Both guys will make a phenomenal living out of a game they rarely set alight
Ay, Ayew has done zip all for Swansea; anonymous on the games I've heard / watched.
I saw him set-up a goal (for another of our exes,Routledge, I think), recently with a great shimmy that outwitted the defender but that aside, I think he's flattered to deceive. Incredibly frustrating footballer to watch given his ability.
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How many games has Pointy McPointyface won at Burnley?
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How many games has Pointy McPointyface won at Burnley?
By actually playing or the bench
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Another thing with Traore is that it's not like he's been plucked from Hackney Marshes and needs polishing, he's literally had the best coaching in the world since he was young, and he still hasn't seemingly grasped the fundamentals of the game.
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Latest stupid money rumour about former Villa legends Adama
http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/adama-traore-who-is-newcastle--13302187
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Despite being laughable how he keeps getting moves despite failing at his last three clubs. The more money he goes for the better it is for us. Not sure what the sell on percentage fee we've got on him is but it all helps
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Do we have a sell-on? Thought it more likely that Barcelona would.
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Put him in the same category as Jordan Ayew.
Promised much and delivered fuck all.
Both guys will make a phenomenal living out of a game they rarely set alight
Ay, Ayew has done zip all for Swansea; anonymous on the games I've heard / watched.
I saw him set-up a goal (for another of our exes,Routledge, I think), recently with a great shimmy that outwitted the defender but that aside, I think he's flattered to deceive. Incredibly frustrating footballer to watch given his ability.
MOTM in one of those vital games at the end of the season that kept them up (Boro at home?) and better in general in the latter part of the season, according to my Swans supporting work colleague.
Still managed to dismantle the crossbar with unerring accuracy though. Frustrating is the word.
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Do we have a sell-on? Thought it more likely that Barcelona would.
There's would have been with us. They won't have any deal with Boro.
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He'll be able to go after the relegation hatrick at Newcastle.
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Twenty seven matches last season. No goals. One assist. Three teams trying to buy him for anything up to £20 million.
This is my forty second summer on this planet, and every year my love of football dwindles a little more.
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He should move into athletics ...he is damm quick but has zero football brain !
I don't think he knows what he is going to do let alone his team mates
Records dont lie ....how many goals and assists has he done in past two seasons
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Do we have a sell-on? Thought it more likely that Barcelona would.
Yes we do, the Dr confirmed it at the time we sold him.
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the trouble is the sell on clause is written in Dr T's hieroglyphic style and no fucker anywhere this side of ancient Egypt can decipher it.
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the trouble is the sell on clause is written in Dr T's hieroglyphic style and no fucker anywhere this side of ancient Egypt can decipher it.
That's OK. Just send them a bill for £10M and no one can reject it.
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Ayew was our best player 15-16, albeit in a 'best of a bad bunch' kind of way. He was one of the few who gave a shit. I'd prefer to be starting the season with him in the squad than McCormack.
Traore will disappear into obscurity within 5 years, I think he struggles to grasp that it's a team game, and is a typical example of the young modern footballer that thinks he's made it but done nothing. I think in his case being once a Barcelona player is what causes his head to be the size of a hot air balloon.
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Twenty seven matches last season. No goals. One assist. Three teams trying to buy him for anything up to £20 million.
This is my forty second summer on this planet, and every year my love of football dwindles a little more.
i feel your pain mate. I thought this lad was a very raw talent that needed shaping. Turned out that he just wasn't very good. Let's move on
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Traore will disappear into obscurity within 5 years, I think he struggles to grasp that it's a team game, and is a typical example of the young modern footballer that thinks he's made it but done nothing. I think in his case being once a Barcelona player is what causes his head to be the size of a hot air balloon.
This bit is unfair, what has he ever done to suggest he thinks he's made it or to prove he has a big head?
Yes he holds onto the ball and doesn't pass or move as well as you'd hope but the assumption that by doing that he must be big headed is nothing more than an assumption.
Again this is a player who we bought knowing he was raw and after barely seeing him play people have decided that (at 19/20) he's shit and will never make it anywhere, I just don't get why some fans are so eager to slag off young players.
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maybe because he is actually shite?
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Here we go
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maybe because he is actually shite?
You may well be right, it's just too early to say one way or the other. With his pace and dribbling clubs will take a chance on him and if one of them finds a way to improve the rest of his game he could still turn out to be a very effective player.
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I think he'll end up being good. I thought that when he played for us, and I still think so. He's spent two seasons at teams fighting for their lives and often having loads of players behind the ball. I think he could do well in a team which expected to be on the front foot more often, breaking down stubborn defences.
I'm not always right, mind. I thought Luke Moore was going to be the new Gary Shaw.
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maybe because he is actually shite?
I'm with you on this one Mr U. He's just another bling merchant chasing the money
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I'd love him to prove us doubters wrong - but to me, he just looks like he's had some very hot mustard poured onto his bollocks and is running as fast as he can in a straight line to find water.
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I believe he is now the Dingles record signing.
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I believe he is now the Dingles record signing.
We must be 4m better off today ;D
I still can't work this bloke out all. He apparently had patches of great form for Boro last season but all i saw against us was the same frustrating player we did when he was here
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I heard some statistic on 5 Live yesterday that he'd completed something like a million more dribbles than any other player in the Championship last season so was slightly surprised to see he only scored 5 goals and assisted (whatever that means) on 13.
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In fairness, that's probably a record for a player forced to play under Pulis.
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They were going to be signing Lionel Messi. They broke their transfer record on Adama Traore.
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They were going to be signing Lionel Messi. They broke their transfer record on Adama Traore.
Aim for the stars and you hit a Satellite.
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maybe they think he is Messi
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In fairness to him, he was by far their biggest threat against us in playoffs. Did ok at Villa Park if I recall correctly, however Grealish still looked miles above him in quality.
His decision making on the ball is still awful from what I've seen.
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Apart from a tremendous athletic ability, based primarily on straight line pace, I really cannot see what all the hype was about him.
£18m the game has gone mental
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Leander Dendoncker reportedly signing too. That's some first team squad now.
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Big gamble taken by Wolves, but perhaps Nuno can get the best out of him, I wish him well.
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If he could engage his brain to the same speed as his feet, he would a be a great player. He needs a good coach to get his decision making right.
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In fairness to him, he was by far their biggest threat against us in playoffs. Did ok at Villa Park if I recall correctly, however Grealish still looked miles above him in quality.
His decision making on the ball is still awful from what I've seen.
I agree with your assessment.
I think that we were fortunate that he was not Boro's main threat, he was their only threat, so we could focus all our defensive plans on nullifying him. I reckon that he has the potential, with good coaching, to grow into an OK player, in a team with various attacking options but I think that decision making will never be his strong point.
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Are any of the news reports on his transfer mentioning a sell-on clause due to us? Maybe we've all just wishfully group-thunk.
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Are any of the news reports on his transfer mentioning a sell-on clause due to us? Maybe we've all just wishfully group-thunk.
Had 20 per cent sell-on clause for Adama Traore, who will be showing his skilz today rather he was somewhere other than Wolves when he shows the premier his talent !
I think depends on fee disclosure was it disclosed?? But it's 20 per cent villa to receive
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51459137
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Good article. Fair play to him.
Saw some Wolves buddy show online and he came across really well. Shame it didn't work out here. Obviously needed a strong manager to show him the way, rather than Sherwood, Garde and Black.
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In that article Pulis (PULIS!) says how good a student Adama was, how much he wanted to learn. That might be maturity as he aged or it might reflect badly on Sherwood/Garde as they never seemed to suggest he was learning and both jettisoned him quickly into their stints as manager.
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In that article Pulis (PULIS!) says how good a student Adama was, how much he wanted to learn. That might be maturity as he aged or it might reflect badly on Sherwood/Garde as they never seemed to suggest he was learning and both jettisoned him quickly into their stints as manager.
To be fair, anyone can be a good student when all you have to teach them is "beat your man, run to the byline, cross it to the big lad in the middle".
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Which manager sold/swapped him to Middlesbrough?
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Either Di Matteo, or the period post-relegation when we didn't have a manager, I think.
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RDM - Albert moved from them to us at almost the same time.
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RDM - Albert moved from them to us at almost the same time.
yes your right
I remember seeing Abert at Barnsley it might have been his debut on a cold Tuesday night and RDM was booed of the pitch
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In that article Pulis (PULIS!) says how good a student Adama was, how much he wanted to learn. That might be maturity as he aged or it might reflect badly on Sherwood/Garde as they never seemed to suggest he was learning and both jettisoned him quickly into their stints as manager.
I've got it in my mind that the coaching consisted of a lot of shouting and arm waving.
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Gem of a player. Yet another one we just signed at the wrong time.
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Gem of a player. Yet another one we just signed at the wrong time.
The Lerner regime to blame. Incompetence from top to bottom. Randy set this club back years.