I agree with all of that but my point is that I don't necessarily think it's about the money in this case. Tish doing well at Kilmarnock (for example) might get a move to the championship or similar, if he sticks with Villa, gets a chance and takes it and he opens up a lot more options. I'm not saying he would take but if he believes he's good enough to play for us regularly then I can see the appeal of sticking it out from a career perspective regardless of any financial benefits.Someone who's had a top flight career and is on their way down (Gabby, Richards, etc) I have less sympathy because they should know that many of those options are gone, that's where a desire to play games versus a desire to earn money becomes a big question and we've had far too many players who've chosen the money in the last 10 years, which is a big part of why we're mid-table in the 2 division.
Quote from: paul_e on September 27, 2018, 11:58:44 AMI agree with all of that but my point is that I don't necessarily think it's about the money in this case. Tish doing well at Kilmarnock (for example) might get a move to the championship or similar, if he sticks with Villa, gets a chance and takes it and he opens up a lot more options. I'm not saying he would take but if he believes he's good enough to play for us regularly then I can see the appeal of sticking it out from a career perspective regardless of any financial benefits.Someone who's had a top flight career and is on their way down (Gabby, Richards, etc) I have less sympathy because they should know that many of those options are gone, that's where a desire to play games versus a desire to earn money becomes a big question and we've had far too many players who've chosen the money in the last 10 years, which is a big part of why we're mid-table in the 2 division.I might be cynical, but I'm not so sure Paul. Even with a new manager, I would say his chances of playing regularly for us are very slim. I might be being a bit harsh, but he is playing regular football for a manager he clearly gets on with while pocketing his full salary. Why would he want to give that up and earn less until he has to? Not blaming him by the way, we are the ones that gave him that contract.
Quote from: tomd2103 on September 27, 2018, 12:18:58 PMQuote from: paul_e on September 27, 2018, 11:58:44 AMI agree with all of that but my point is that I don't necessarily think it's about the money in this case. Tish doing well at Kilmarnock (for example) might get a move to the championship or similar, if he sticks with Villa, gets a chance and takes it and he opens up a lot more options. I'm not saying he would take but if he believes he's good enough to play for us regularly then I can see the appeal of sticking it out from a career perspective regardless of any financial benefits.Someone who's had a top flight career and is on their way down (Gabby, Richards, etc) I have less sympathy because they should know that many of those options are gone, that's where a desire to play games versus a desire to earn money becomes a big question and we've had far too many players who've chosen the money in the last 10 years, which is a big part of why we're mid-table in the 2 division.I might be cynical, but I'm not so sure Paul. Even with a new manager, I would say his chances of playing regularly for us are very slim. I might be being a bit harsh, but he is playing regular football for a manager he clearly gets on with while pocketing his full salary. Why would he want to give that up and earn less until he has to? Not blaming him by the way, we are the ones that gave him that contract. I think that's largely the same point, there's very little incentive (either in terms of playtime or finance) for him to go anywhere permanently right now because staying with us gives him more options, one of which was to go back on loan to Kilmarnock and I'd hope that any young (ish) player who goes out on loan does so with half an eye on it giving him a chance at coming back and getting into the team.Remember this all started from the mention of professional pride and I stand by my belief that it's not fair, currently, to question him over that. I doubt his wages are huge so I don't have any issue with the contract we've given him, my concern is that we signed (for a decent amount of money) a 21 year old with about 30 games to his name, played him 7-8 times and then dumped him with very little attempt to improve him with coaching or get any return on that investment. I have the same issue with how we've handled Bree as well.
I don't know if this has been mentioned but 'fitba'? Why?
Apart from McKirdy and Adomah have any of our released players found a home yet?Must be premiership sized wages putting suitors off the likes of Jedi / Whelan - maybe one of them or both will rock up for Brucastle?