When does the Booing stop....

[Steve67]

I really don't get what Bacuna has done wrong. He has made one unfortunate slip in a Dutch interview when we do not really know the context in which he made his comments and it has to be remembered Ajax are an absolute massive institution in Holland. The interview may have been drawing an answer from a young kid to a question he needn't have answered. Again, its all about the context. But who is Bacuna got to learn from at Villa? Who are the wiser calm heads? Bacuna's problem is his lack of confidence. Yes, he isn't brilliant by any means and is out of his depth at this level but he is a kid finding his feet who of course believes in his ability.

When we were tearing into Tottenham at White Hart Lane for 10 minutes he was instrumental in getting tha going. He was superb for half an hour at Sunderland until their goal and then fell apart. He's a kid, with limited ability for the Premier League, he said a maybe innocent thing, who does try his hardest every week, who's confidence is shot. We shouldn't be booing him. We should try and give him as much of a boost by supporting him as possible. Him and all the others who aren't the piss takers. Bacuna isn't one of the piss takers.

Enough is enough with the booing. It stops being funny, it stops justified, it stops being Aston Villa. We as fans need to grow a pair and stop sulking now. We know who the guilty ones are and its not at best mediocre young players out of their depth, but those that are cheating us.

I couldn't agree more. So he said he wants to play in the Champions League one day. So what? If we're booing players for that then it's ridiculous.

Sorry, but have you two actually been watching him this season? He's a fucking lazy disgraceful player who simply cannot be bothered because he thinks he's better than he is, hence the twattish comments about playing in the champs league. Shameful effort put in on several occasions this season. He is a sum of the parts, arguably, alongside Agbonlahor and Richards as the architects of our downfall. A crap, lazy arse of a footballer who has assisted in making people redundant.

[Clampy]

I really don't get what Bacuna has done wrong. He has made one unfortunate slip in a Dutch interview when we do not really know the context in which he made his comments and it has to be remembered Ajax are an absolute massive institution in Holland. The interview may have been drawing an answer from a young kid to a question he needn't have answered. Again, its all about the context. But who is Bacuna got to learn from at Villa? Who are the wiser calm heads? Bacuna's problem is his lack of confidence. Yes, he isn't brilliant by any means and is out of his depth at this level but he is a kid finding his feet who of course believes in his ability.

When we were tearing into Tottenham at White Hart Lane for 10 minutes he was instrumental in getting tha going. He was superb for half an hour at Sunderland until their goal and then fell apart. He's a kid, with limited ability for the Premier League, he said a maybe innocent thing, who does try his hardest every week, who's confidence is shot. We shouldn't be booing him. We should try and give him as much of a boost by supporting him as possible. Him and all the others who aren't the piss takers. Bacuna isn't one of the piss takers.

Enough is enough with the booing. It stops being funny, it stops justified, it stops being Aston Villa. We as fans need to grow a pair and stop sulking now. We know who the guilty ones are and its not at best mediocre young players out of their depth, but those that are cheating us.

I couldn't agree more. So he said he wants to play in the Champions League one day. So what? If we're booing players for that then it's ridiculous.

Sorry, but have you two actually been watching him this season? He's a fucking lazy disgraceful player who simply cannot be bothered because he thinks he's better than he is, hence the twattish comments about playing in the champs league. Shameful effort put in on several occasions this season. He is a sum of the parts, arguably, alongside Agbonlahor and Richards as the architects of our downfall. A crap, lazy arse of a footballer who has assisted in making people redundant.

Yes, i've seen him this season and in all honesty, he's been no worse than any of the others. One or two aside, they've all been crap.

[peter w]

Not in a meltdown, no, but there's been no evidence from the season that we've seen that Gil would make the slightest difference. Adama has looked nothing more than just fast and although I personally would like to see him even when fit he hasn't been a first pick for previous managers. maybe his fitness, seeming ease with which he gets injuries, or something from the training pitch has dictated his selection so far. that he hasn't played isn't something that can be hung around Black's neck as his albatross. Green? maybe, maybe not. Maybe he's not ready, maybe he's waiting for an away game, maybe it was him or Ayew and Black fancied Ayew. As for richardson, yeah, he's not good enough, but the point is none of them are. That's why we're bottom with 16 points. Not because of Eric Black and his team selections.

[markeeeebeeee2005]

The board, the managers and the players have not found themselves able over the course of several season to identify and achieve what is an appropriate level of effort and performance at Aston Villa.

In this vacuum the fans are setting the bar. The players, manager and board have dropped below that level and therefore are hearing about it. I would hope that by the new season there will be the structure and players in place to set the bench mark from what level of effort and performance is acceptable. Then the fans can get back to enjoying a game of football for the first time in ages.

We're Aston Villa, the club and players have let us down, but our standards of expectation as fans cannot drop any lower.

Booooooooooo

[peter w]

'some' of the players. Unfortunately its not only those that hear or are affected by the booing.

[Chinchilla Bathhouse]

Not in a meltdown, no, but there's been no evidence from the season that we've seen that Gil would make the slightest difference. Adama has looked nothing more than just fast and although I personally would like to see him even when fit he hasn't been a first pick for previous managers. maybe his fitness, seeming ease with which he gets injuries, or something from the training pitch has dictated his selection so far. that he hasn't played isn't something that can be hung around Black's neck as his albatross. Green? maybe, maybe not. Maybe he's not ready, maybe he's waiting for an away game, maybe it was him or Ayew and Black fancied Ayew. As for richardson, yeah, he's not good enough, but the point is none of them are. That's why we're bottom with 16 points. Not because of Eric Black and his team selections.

No, that's not why we're bottom, but we're talking about the booing here. People are booing precisely because of Eric Black and his team selections.  That's unarguable, that's what people are saying throughout this thread.  You make some good points, it's a difficult situation Black is in but I really think it's become so toxic now that he has to remove the targets from the firing line.  He must surely be able to see that their presence is the reason for the aggro, he can't just keep picking the players who are being booed and then complain about the amount of booing.  If he wants an end to the booing it should be obvious what he has to do.  It's not as if any of them are justifying their places in the team anyway; as others have said, the results can hardly get any worse.     

[markeeeebeeee2005]

I'd say none of the players have lived up to the level of performance or effort required. But there's a whole spectrum of brown within that.

I was curled up with flu on Sat so watched the game on the net. I would say the booing and everything else was fairly specific. There's nothing over the course of the season to suggest the players are too affected by the boos. Cheer them = their crap, stay quiet = their crap, boo them = well you get the idea.

If people find it cathartic, good for them. It also voices that what has passed and is still happening is unacceptable. Might help the club clear the blockage and flush a few turds, particularly if some of the bigger ones are made less than welcome.

[Des Little]

It's all worthwhile, however I'd be amazed if any single player gave a flying fuck. I mean, they didn't care less before we got relegated so I'd imagine it's worse now. Sheer contempt.

[peter w]

I think a clear out is coming anyway. that is inevitable. You want a positive atmosphere for kids to try and come into (forgetting that our kids may not be any good anyway) then the booing must stop. Or be very limited at best.

[markeeeebeeee2005]

New season, new start?

[Des Little]

We can't and won't be booing them next season. That said, if I hear the words 'Number 7 Leandro Bacuna' over the tannoy after May I think I may go on a rampage.

[peter w]

Definitely. But I want it to start now. Saturday 3pm at Watford. fuck Troy Deeney, fuck Watford, let's go down with a bit of proud in who we are. They're the clowns not us, go down with us trying to urge the useless clowns on. Not lampooning them or booing them constantly before and during the game.

[Nunkin1965]

New season, new start?

Oh definitely for me.
I'm renewing and its clean slate time.

[Nunkin1965]

We've got to find 25 wins from somewhere at least.
I'm looking forward to a re energized and powerful team with a winning mentality.

[Chris Smith]

Not in a meltdown, no, but there's been no evidence from the season that we've seen that Gil would make the slightest difference. Adama has looked nothing more than just fast and although I personally would like to see him even when fit he hasn't been a first pick for previous managers. maybe his fitness, seeming ease with which he gets injuries, or something from the training pitch has dictated his selection so far. that he hasn't played isn't something that can be hung around Black's neck as his albatross. Green? maybe, maybe not. Maybe he's not ready, maybe he's waiting for an away game, maybe it was him or Ayew and Black fancied Ayew. As for richardson, yeah, he's not good enough, but the point is none of them are. That's why we're bottom with 16 points. Not because of Eric Black and his team selections.

The point being is he hasn't tried anything different, he's picking a side that is getting regularly stuffed and then next week picking a near identical one. He's done the seemingly impossible and made a shit team worse.

I am sick of turning up week after week and watching the type of mistakes and footballing cowardice that would get mocked in an under 13 game. If getting some stick after that upsets them then perhaps they should look for another career or console themselves with photos of their cars.