Eric Black

[Diablo]

arguing over the required level of opprobrium for Garde v Black is like debating who is the taller dwarf. All I want now is for this dreadful season to be over with.

Haha! Garde is definitely the taller dwarf of the two.

[Chris Jameson]

There was a moment in the second half against Bournemouth when a roar went round the ground and there followed a 15 minute spell of non stop singing in support of Aston Villa which the opposition supporters applauded. I can't think of too many grounds where that would happen if the team were performing as ours were.

[chrisw1]

"Absolutely fucking poisonous" is a tad over the top. A few specific players getting booed and some songs against the owner. It's hardly been a cauldron of hate.

Besides, what were the excuses for them being shit at home for at least the previous 5 years prior to the last couple of months?

The specific debate has been about the last 6 weeks not the last 5 seasons and in particular about introducing young players into the difficult atmosphere.  No matter how much people kid themselves it has all been 'targeted booing' is has led to a generally negative atmosphere in the ground that would effect the whole team.  Black went on record as saying he didn't think it was a good idea introducing kids into that melting pot.  This has been debated elsewhere and people will never agree.  But the person who counts - Eric Black - made it clear he thought the atmosphere was counter productive.  So yes, the fans have made it difficult for players at VP over the last 2 months.

[PeterWithesShin]

It's still not "absolutely fucking poisonous" or anywhere near that.

[chrisw1]

Semantics isn't it?  I think it was.  Eric Black thinks it was.  Several pundits and reporters commented on it.  Whether it was just poisonous, absofuckinglutely poisonous or just generally very difficult, the result was the same. 

[PeterWithesShin]

No. It isn't semantics, when someone says we are creating an absolutely fucking poisonous atmosphere when we aren't, it's more than semantics. Several pundits and commentators say we're fickle, bang on about British managers etc it's just fucking lazy and stupid.

[chrisw1]

No. It isn't semantics, when someone says we are creating an absolutely fucking poisonous atmosphere when we aren't, it's more than semantics. Several pundits and commentators say we're fickle, bang on about British managers etc it's just fucking lazy and stupid.

Just so long as you don't think it was poisionous PWS, that's all that matters.  Don't worry about what the acting manager of the football club thinks.  The one who was making the decisions whether to play the youngsters or not. 

"Villa suffered another home defeat on Saturday, losing 4-2 to Southampton just a week after their relegation to the Championship was confirmed.
Some supporters have called on Black to ditch players who took the club down and give younger players a chance in the first team.
But Black says he is scared of exposing young players to the toxic atmosphere at Villa’s home games, which has reached a crescendo in recent weeks.
‘I’m fearful of that [fielding younger players]. I don’t want this to be detrimental,’ he said.  ‘This is a difficult atmosphere for young players to play in. Certainly the home games’."


http://metro.co.uk/2016/04/25/eric-black-says-aston-villa-fans-are-to-blame-for-him-not-picking-young-players-5839363/#ixzz48Y4KWKoL

[PeterWithesShin]

Well you seem to think your opinion that it is poisonous is all that matters. I've never said it hasn't been negative at times, which is a world apart from your "absolutely fucking poisonous" hyperbole. And Eric Black has thought playing Bacuna and Richardson is a good idea, which nicely covers what I think of his expert opinion.

[Chris Jameson]

And Eric Black has thought playing Bacuna and Richardson is a good idea, which nicely covers what I think of his expert opinion.

You've posted pretty much word for word what I was going to post!

[chrisw1]

Well you seem to think your opinion that it is poisonous is all that matters. I've never said it hasn't been negative at times, which is a world apart from your "absolutely fucking poisonous" hyperbole. And Eric Black has thought playing Bacuna and Richardson is a good idea, which nicely covers what I think of his expert opinion.

We'll never agree.  But it was bad enough to effect the coaches decision on which players to field.  If that's not enough for you, I really don't know what is. 

Maybe next time on a post match thread I see you say the players were fucking awful, maybe I'll interrogate you as to whether they really were fucking awful, or maybe just poor or perhaps just a bit below par.  ok?

[PeterWithesShin]

Interpret it how you like if it makes you happy and it's easier than admitting you over exaggerated.

[chrisw1]

I don't think I exaggerated.  I think the atmosphere has been fucking poisonous.  I think it effected the players.  I have proved it effected the coaches decision on selection.  I think you are wrong and you decided to make a point out of nothing.  Is that fucking clear enough for you?

[PeterWithesShin]

I said it was a tad over the top to describe it as that, which you've decided to take issue with. As I said, whatever makes you happy.

[Chris Jameson]

The piss being correctly ripped out of Lescott for his car tweet and the booing of some of the idiotic senior players is a long way from "poisonous".

[mr underhill]

some snakes are poisonous.