Manager for next season

[Dave]

Pearson just looks like he wants to lamp murphy in that press conference. Understandable, inexperierienced manager getting knocked down a peg or two, by experienced and well regarded local reporter. I'd be the same. Whoever comes in just needs to focus on results.

Inexperienced? Pearson's first manager role was nearly 20 years ago. He's hardly been without a job from 2007 until Leicester sacked him.

[peter w]

I think he must mean inexperienced in terms of years in the job. his first jobs were only short-term weren't they? And or caretaker positions? Not fully sure but he's only been a full-time hands on manager since Leicester.

[old man villa fan]

If it is Pearson, I hope the club aren't thinking that he will be able to get something out of the 'desperate 6'.  I have had it with that group of players and I think a lot of supporters think the same.

[ClaretAndBlueBlood]

....and what would you prefer? A nice comfortable clean cut manager like Southgate who will nod and smile and say the nice things and charm the press or someone who actually has experience of turning round the fortunes of football clubs? Albeit by upsetting Pat Murphy

It's not just Pat Murphy though, is it?  Pearson offends lots of people.  He's also not the only manager out there who has experience of turning round the fortunes of football clubs, although he may be the only one who does it less often than he gets himself fired for being a liability.  I really don't understand this clamour for a bully; Keane, Karsa and Culverhouse proved demonstrably that it doesn't work with these players - the latter pair of idiots even got fired for their behaviour.  How is Pearson legally going to be more extreme than they were, then?  Would it even work?  I'd have thought the very last thing we need in our basket case of a dressing room is a volatile loon throwing his weight around. 

I think we need someone with a calm head (which Pearson doesn't appear to possess) who copes well under pressure (which Pearson apparently can't) and will be here to see through a long term plan (which Pearson has never done).  It's not just an either/or between a Southgate and a Pearson, there is a lot of middle ground there.  As others have said, a bit of charisma would be welcome.  That's charisma, not aggression.  Pearson seems to bring almost guaranteed disgrace and embarrassment sooner or later; haven't we had enough of that this season?     

they didn't get fired for bullying

Didn't they?  I thought there were allegations of bullying, Karsa was suspended and both were subsequently fired after an internal investigation.  Apologies if I'm wrong.  Still doesn't mean a bully is what we need.

they were fired for not doing their jobs, which Lambert was unaware of. He only kept his job because he agreed to them being fired

Well the individual investigations that led to their dismissals were both instigated following allegations of bullying.  There was plenty of discussion on here at the time about how it might have affected the younger players.

Guardian article on dismissal
Daily Mail article on suspension

Culverhouse's Wikipedia page which he'd presumably have altered if it wasn't true, as if it's untrue it's libellous.


Unless of course you have incontrovertible evidence to the contrary, are privy to the clubs legal dealings or represented one of Karsa, Culverhouse or the club.

newspapers don't always print the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. And anyone can edit Wikipedia

internal investigation and off-field matters would appear to be correct, the bullying aspect less so

and yes, I remember well all of the discussions on here at the time. Bullying, or aggressive coaching methods, might actually be better than the truth

If you don't mind me asking, if you're disregarding the newspapers and the internet, where do you have your information from? Is it actually from a reliable source or just your opinion? Genuine question.

someone I consider a reliable source, works at BH

[Hookeysmith]

Although certainly not my first choice I would take him in a heartbeat if the serious alternatives are:

Bruce
McCarthy
Pulis

[Clampy]

Although certainly not my first choice I would take him in a heartbeat if the serious alternatives are:

Bruce
McCarthy
Pulis

I'd take him over Bruce and most definitely Pulis. I don't mind McCarthy but I'd choose Pearson over him as well.

[Rudy Can't Fail]

Simeone's a weird man who uses his own rage very deliberately and always has. Pearson isn't 'using' anything - he just loses it.

I'm not sure assaulting the 4th official and getting an 8 match ban was using his own rage deliberately.

My concerns on Pearson remain on how he deals with the pressure. In this clip (around the 2min50 mark) he claims that the true personality comes out when your under pressure.

[Monty]

Ha, forgot about that. Yes, Simeone is a lunatic.

I'm just totally unenthused. His record is actually unspectacular, the things which people say are positive about him don't strike me as my kind of positive, shall we say, and I can just see the whole thing blowing up.

He may well even get us promoted. I just can't get myself to be really excited about a stage in Villa's career where the great saviour of the club is Nigel sodding Pearson.

[Dr Butler]

Pearson just looks like he wants to lamp murphy in that press conference. Understandable, inexperierienced manager getting knocked down a peg or two, by experienced and well regarded local reporter. I'd be the same. Whoever comes in just needs to focus on results.

Inexperienced? Pearson's first manager role was nearly 20 years ago. He's hardly been without a job from 2007 until Leicester sacked him.

I might be wrong, but wasn't Pearson manager of Boro and Hull ?

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The Doc

[robbo1874]

Pearson just looks like he wants to lamp murphy in that press conference. Understandable, inexperierienced manager getting knocked down a peg or two, by experienced and well regarded local reporter. I'd be the same. Whoever comes in just needs to focus on results.

Inexperienced? Pearson's first manager role was nearly 20 years ago. He's hardly been without a job from 2007 until Leicester sacked him.

so was mine mate, doesn't qualify me to manage a club, not just a team, but a club like Villa. He had no response to Murphy's line of questions at all.  Not saying he couldn't get us up, but that interview was pretty amateur in terms of dealing with the media.

[Chris Jameson]

Ferguson would probably have pulled Murphy's tongue out with his bare hands and beaten him to death with it.

Ferguson was more likely to say something unintelligible to him and then either get up and walk out or ask the press officer to remove him. At least Murphy is prepared to challenge people and not toe the party line, how often did you see anybody challenge Ferguson? Anybody questioning him would find themselves unable to gain access to any of the players for interviews, Ferguson was a bully and for some reason the hierarchy at the club still seem to march to his drum which is great as whilst he's still hanging about they're getting progressively worse.

[markeeeebeeee2005]

Fuck off and die wasn't a good choice of words. But had he just told him to fuck off, after sustained abuse I can absolutely see why he snapped and said something. To me it doesn't show that he can't take pressure. It shows that one person after a lot of very personal abuse got to him to provoke that reaction. The bigger question is why didn't the stewards step in sooner? If I had my kid there, or even from a personal level I wouldn't want to hear one twat go on like that. This is football and I know things can get the better of us but there has to be limit to even that.

I had never heard the comment in context. Just what Pearson said. I don't think I would have responded much differently to how he did. The guy really was going on and on and on.

Pearson wouldn't be my first choice. But I'm used to shopping at Waitrose, Villa are now shopping at Lidl or Iceland, when it comes to managers. Cheers Randy.

[LeeB]

....and what would you prefer? A nice comfortable clean cut manager like Southgate who will nod and smile and say the nice things and charm the press or someone who actually has experience of turning round the fortunes of football clubs? Albeit by upsetting Pat Murphy

It's not just Pat Murphy though, is it?  Pearson offends lots of people.  He's also not the only manager out there who has experience of turning round the fortunes of football clubs, although he may be the only one who does it less often than he gets himself fired for being a liability.  I really don't understand this clamour for a bully; Keane, Karsa and Culverhouse proved demonstrably that it doesn't work with these players - the latter pair of idiots even got fired for their behaviour.  How is Pearson legally going to be more extreme than they were, then?  Would it even work?  I'd have thought the very last thing we need in our basket case of a dressing room is a volatile loon throwing his weight around. 

I think we need someone with a calm head (which Pearson doesn't appear to possess) who copes well under pressure (which Pearson apparently can't) and will be here to see through a long term plan (which Pearson has never done).  It's not just an either/or between a Southgate and a Pearson, there is a lot of middle ground there.  As others have said, a bit of charisma would be welcome.  That's charisma, not aggression.  Pearson seems to bring almost guaranteed disgrace and embarrassment sooner or later; haven't we had enough of that this season?     

they didn't get fired for bullying

Didn't they?  I thought there were allegations of bullying, Karsa was suspended and both were subsequently fired after an internal investigation.  Apologies if I'm wrong.  Still doesn't mean a bully is what we need.

they were fired for not doing their jobs, which Lambert was unaware of. He only kept his job because he agreed to them being fired

Well the individual investigations that led to their dismissals were both instigated following allegations of bullying.  There was plenty of discussion on here at the time about how it might have affected the younger players.

Guardian article on dismissal
Daily Mail article on suspension

Culverhouse's Wikipedia page which he'd presumably have altered if it wasn't true, as if it's untrue it's libellous.


Unless of course you have incontrovertible evidence to the contrary, are privy to the clubs legal dealings or represented one of Karsa, Culverhouse or the club.

newspapers don't always print the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. And anyone can edit Wikipedia

internal investigation and off-field matters would appear to be correct, the bullying aspect less so

and yes, I remember well all of the discussions on here at the time. Bullying, or aggressive coaching methods, might actually be better than the truth

If you don't mind me asking, if you're disregarding the newspapers and the internet, where do you have your information from? Is it actually from a reliable source or just your opinion? Genuine question.

someone I consider a reliable source, works at BH

Apologies for the quoteathon, but I believe I know what you know. And it wasn't about bullying.

[Hoppo]

What was it then?

[robbo1874]

Come on Lee - don't leave us all in suspense