Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions

[pauliewalnuts]

Yes because what a player who has played in the Premier League and scored goals, got a move to one if the top English clubs, broke into the national set-up will be thinking is, "I need to get back to the level that earned me a move to Liverpool and England recognition. I know what is best for my career at this point, a year in the Championship".

Come on. It's ludicrous to even consider it.

And what if he disappears after his breakthrough season? It's not like that hasn't happened before to others. And I would argue that it is one of the many reasons why England will never again win another tournament because young players accept sitting on the bench too readily. That playing regular football and learning your trade is somehow beneath them. Rashford might be the opposite and he might break into the Man U team and keep his spot. But there's plenty of evidence to support he notion that season 2 is a lot harder than the first and he might regress in his development at a time we would all hope as supporters of our national program he improves.

Yes he might go backwards. Second season and all that but players don't know that unless they have a go. Liverpool and Ings will be hoping that he gets up to fitness and pushes on. I doubt either them or he are in anyway contemplating a year of dropping his standards. Maybe in January or next summer, but now? No point.

The thing is, you've used the words 'deluded and ludicrous'. You're almost making it sound like we're discussing Lionel Messi.

Precisely. It's Marcus Rashford we are discussing or Danny Ings. When I think Rashford I see Macheda who was brilliant for a bit and then ended up disappearing from his early lofty heights. Rashford is 18, played 11 times for Man U and broke into the England set up as much because others around him were injured and because frankly our options as a nation up front are awful. There is no doubt he has done well, but he has a long way to go before cementing himself as a regular at PL or national team level.

That's not the point.  Why on earth would either contemplate dropping a division now?  To pre-empt them becoming shit rather than actually doing their best to be successful?  It's frankly a ridiculous debate and I think the word deluded is perfectly appropriate.

If you think it's ludicrous then don't engage in the debate. What's ludicrous is that an 18 year old player who is good and has had a good start to his career but hardly much more is being heralded as so much more than that. And that he is so amazing that he shouldn't consider career development outside of the PL, or that we have such a low self esteem that it shouldn't even be contemplated. That we should set our targets much, much lower than that.

The whole point of me mentioning his name is that players like Rashford, with the introduction of a manager like Mourinho might see his playing time curtailed. Add to the fact it is his second season and teams will be wiser to his presence. Young players suffer dips in form and confidence. We shouldn't so readily dismiss that this might happen and a move to a club like us who should have a good season in a lower tier might be a good thing, versus struggling to get noticed or joining a side at the arse end of the PL. Bloody hell you'd think I suggested a loan for Danny Welbeck or another fringe but established English PL player.

Manchester United's best prospect on loan? Come on! More likely than not he will have limited game time but he'll be sat on their bench.

I agree.

I can't believe anyone really thinks we'd have a chance of a signing like that.

I think mourinhos record of loaning out young talent speaks fo itself and anything is possible. If it does happen then what? Are we not worthy?

Not really. Why we he want to come here and more importantly why would Man Utd want him to come here when a dozen Premier League clubs would happily take him?

Because premier league clubs are their rivals and championship clubs aren't

All but about 5 premier league clubs are also not their rivals.

[adrenachrome]

Yes because what a player who has played in the Premier League and scored goals, got a move to one if the top English clubs, broke into the national set-up will be thinking is, "I need to get back to the level that earned me a move to Liverpool and England recognition. I know what is best for my career at this point, a year in the Championship".

Come on. It's ludicrous to even consider it.

And what if he disappears after his breakthrough season? It's not like that hasn't happened before to others. And I would argue that it is one of the many reasons why England will never again win another tournament because young players accept sitting on the bench too readily. That playing regular football and learning your trade is somehow beneath them. Rashford might be the opposite and he might break into the Man U team and keep his spot. But there's plenty of evidence to support he notion that season 2 is a lot harder than the first and he might regress in his development at a time we would all hope as supporters of our national program he improves.

Yes he might go backwards. Second season and all that but players don't know that unless they have a go. Liverpool and Ings will be hoping that he gets up to fitness and pushes on. I doubt either them or he are in anyway contemplating a year of dropping his standards. Maybe in January or next summer, but now? No point.

The thing is, you've used the words 'deluded and ludicrous'. You're almost making it sound like we're discussing Lionel Messi.

Precisely. It's Marcus Rashford we are discussing or Danny Ings. When I think Rashford I see Macheda who was brilliant for a bit and then ended up disappearing from his early lofty heights. Rashford is 18, played 11 times for Man U and broke into the England set up as much because others around him were injured and because frankly our options as a nation up front are awful. There is no doubt he has done well, but he has a long way to go before cementing himself as a regular at PL or national team level.

That's not the point.  Why on earth would either contemplate dropping a division now?  To pre-empt them becoming shit rather than actually doing their best to be successful?  It's frankly a ridiculous debate and I think the word deluded is perfectly appropriate.

If you think it's ludicrous then don't engage in the debate. What's ludicrous is that an 18 year old player who is good and has had a good start to his career but hardly much more is being heralded as so much more than that. And that he is so amazing that he shouldn't consider career development outside of the PL, or that we have such a low self esteem that it shouldn't even be contemplated. That we should set our targets much, much lower than that.

The whole point of me mentioning his name is that players like Rashford, with the introduction of a manager like Mourinho might see his playing time curtailed. Add to the fact it is his second season and teams will be wiser to his presence. Young players suffer dips in form and confidence. We shouldn't so readily dismiss that this might happen and a move to a club like us who should have a good season in a lower tier might be a good thing, versus struggling to get noticed or joining a side at the arse end of the PL. Bloody hell you'd think I suggested a loan for Danny Welbeck or another fringe but established English PL player.

Manchester United's best prospect on loan? Come on! More likely than not he will have limited game time but he'll be sat on their bench.

I agree.

I can't believe anyone really thinks we'd have a chance of a signing like that.

I think mourinhos record of loaning out young talent speaks fo itself and anything is possible. If it does happen then what? Are we not worthy?

Not really. Why we he want to come here and more importantly why would Man Utd want him to come here when a dozen Premier League clubs would happily take him?

Because premier league clubs are their rivals and championship clubs aren't

I've nothing to add to this. I just wanted to be a part of the biggest quotathon in history. McWhirter... Where are you?

no longer with us I am afraid

shall we just call it a draw?

On my phone the innermost quote is one word per line. Such larks!

 

[VILLA MOLE]

Yes because what a player who has played in the Premier League and scored goals, got a move to one if the top English clubs, broke into the national set-up will be thinking is, "I need to get back to the level that earned me a move to Liverpool and England recognition. I know what is best for my career at this point, a year in the Championship".

Come on. It's ludicrous to even consider it.

And what if he disappears after his breakthrough season? It's not like that hasn't happened before to others. And I would argue that it is one of the many reasons why England will never again win another tournament because young players accept sitting on the bench too readily. That playing regular football and learning your trade is somehow beneath them. Rashford might be the opposite and he might break into the Man U team and keep his spot. But there's plenty of evidence to support he notion that season 2 is a lot harder than the first and he might regress in his development at a time we would all hope as supporters of our national program he improves.

Yes he might go backwards. Second season and all that but players don't know that unless they have a go. Liverpool and Ings will be hoping that he gets up to fitness and pushes on. I doubt either them or he are in anyway contemplating a year of dropping his standards. Maybe in January or next summer, but now? No point.

The thing is, you've used the words 'deluded and ludicrous'. You're almost making it sound like we're discussing Lionel Messi.

Precisely. It's Marcus Rashford we are discussing or Danny Ings. When I think Rashford I see Macheda who was brilliant for a bit and then ended up disappearing from his early lofty heights. Rashford is 18, played 11 times for Man U and broke into the England set up as much because others around him were injured and because frankly our options as a nation up front are awful. There is no doubt he has done well, but he has a long way to go before cementing himself as a regular at PL or national team level.

That's not the point.  Why on earth would either contemplate dropping a division now?  To pre-empt them becoming shit rather than actually doing their best to be successful?  It's frankly a ridiculous debate and I think the word deluded is perfectly appropriate.

If you think it's ludicrous then don't engage in the debate. What's ludicrous is that an 18 year old player who is good and has had a good start to his career but hardly much more is being heralded as so much more than that. And that he is so amazing that he shouldn't consider career development outside of the PL, or that we have such a low self esteem that it shouldn't even be contemplated. That we should set our targets much, much lower than that.

The whole point of me mentioning his name is that players like Rashford, with the introduction of a manager like Mourinho might see his playing time curtailed. Add to the fact it is his second season and teams will be wiser to his presence. Young players suffer dips in form and confidence. We shouldn't so readily dismiss that this might happen and a move to a club like us who should have a good season in a lower tier might be a good thing, versus struggling to get noticed or joining a side at the arse end of the PL. Bloody hell you'd think I suggested a loan for Danny Welbeck or another fringe but established English PL player.

Manchester United's best prospect on loan? Come on! More likely than not he will have limited game time but he'll be sat on their bench.

I agree.

I can't believe anyone really thinks we'd have a chance of a signing like that.

I think mourinhos record of loaning out young talent speaks fo itself and anything is possible. If it does happen then what? Are we not worthy?

Not really. Why we he want to come here and more importantly why would Man Utd want him to come here when a dozen Premier League clubs would happily take him?

Because premier league clubs are their rivals and championship clubs aren't

I've nothing to add to this. I just wanted to be a part of the biggest quotathon in history. McWhirter... Where are you?

no longer with us I am afraid

shall we just call it a draw?

On my phone the innermost quote is one word per line. Such larks!

 

the edges hurt my eyes

[footyskillz]

Just looked at the squad. We have NO NUMBER 10. So we obviously need a number 10.

Options : like to bring in giovincho from Toronto mls too good over there and decent enough to own championship .

[ozzjim]

He is paid about 7 million a season isn't he?

[Sexual Ealing]

Hopefully someone else meets Gana's clause fee and triggers a bidding war

If they do - then the bidding war will be about his wages and not the fee to us.

Though it doesn't look popular on here, I would say he was one of the better performers is a very poor team. Our defense lacked organisation and we had no goal threat - neither down to Gana as his job was to break up play and move the ball on quickly to someone else - I think he managed that more often than anyone else asked to do that job.

Yeah, but why wouldn't we try to get a higher fee for him. That's what bidding wars are about.  Bring on the bidding war, say I.

[Ads]

Gana annoyed me with his absence of any work ethic off the ball, trotting back the lazy devil after we'd recycled the ball.

[Toronto Villa]

He is paid about 7 million a season isn't he?

He's being paid handsomely. He's gone off the boil a little here too, in large part because he felt snubbed in being left out of the national squad for the Euros. He is an outstanding player, and way beyond this level. But the reason he is here is because of the money.

[ozzjim]

Hopefully someone else meets Gana's clause fee and triggers a bidding war

If they do - then the bidding war will be about his wages and not the fee to us.

Though it doesn't look popular on here, I would say he was one of the better performers is a very poor team. Our defense lacked organisation and we had no goal threat - neither down to Gana as his job was to break up play and move the ball on quickly to someone else - I think he managed that more often than anyone else asked to do that job.

Yeah, but why wouldn't we try to get a higher fee for him. That's what bidding wars are about.  Bring on the bidding war, say I.

Because anyone can bid 7.1 million and buy him. A penny more than his release fee would be a waste of money to the buying club!

Gana was decent last season, and will do well in a better side next season wherever he goes. With Gardner, Tshibola, Lyden, possibly Stan, Veretout, etc we still have cover there. Westwood may well go too, at which point I think another centre mid would be needed.

[LeeB]

Hopefully someone else meets Gana's clause fee and triggers a bidding war

If they do - then the bidding war will be about his wages and not the fee to us.

Though it doesn't look popular on here, I would say he was one of the better performers is a very poor team. Our defense lacked organisation and we had no goal threat - neither down to Gana as his job was to break up play and move the ball on quickly to someone else - I think he managed that more often than anyone else asked to do that job.

Yeah, but why wouldn't we try to get a higher fee for him. That's what bidding wars are about.  Bring on the bidding war, say I.

Because anyone can bid 7.1 million and buy him. A penny more than his release fee would be a waste of money to the buying club!

Gana was decent last season, and will do well in a better side next season wherever he goes. With Gardner, Tshibola, Lyden, possibly Stan, Veretout, etc we still have cover there. Westwood may well go too, at which point I think another centre mid would be needed.

Yes, yes, but what if someone came in with £10m? We'd be fools to turn money like that down.

I think we should hold fire.

[tomd2103]

Hopefully someone else meets Gana's clause fee and triggers a bidding war

If they do - then the bidding war will be about his wages and not the fee to us.

Though it doesn't look popular on here, I would say he was one of the better performers is a very poor team. Our defense lacked organisation and we had no goal threat - neither down to Gana as his job was to break up play and move the ball on quickly to someone else - I think he managed that more often than anyone else asked to do that job.

Yeah, but why wouldn't we try to get a higher fee for him. That's what bidding wars are about. Bring on the bidding war, say I.

It has to to be established in the media that a club has a war chest before they can even contemplate entering a bidding war.  Once it is confirmed in a tabloid that a manager of a club has been given a war chest, they can then engage in a bidding war. 

[eamonn]

No more quotathons you fuckers.

[Concrete Tom]

No more quotathons you fuckers.

Understood.

[Duncan Shaw]

So, according to the Beeb gossip column this morning - we feature three times which is a suprise in itself -
We want Kodjia from Bristol - OK, worth a punt, tick
Gueye off to Marseille for £7.1m - tick as discussed here (unless we can get a bidding war going of course winky)
Sincalir to Celtic for £3m - tick tick TICK, start the car etc.

[Phil from the upper holte]

Richards has a £5m release clause...tick