I got to see Alan Judge twice within a couple of days last week, v Derby and Wolves. He scored a good goal against Derby and was a very busy player with a bit of pace.I've seen him play several times at Brentford this season. Quality player, perhaps the best in the Championship this season. If he does leave Brentford in the summer I think it will be to play Premier League football.
Alan Judge would be my first target.
Second would be someone like Callum Wilson from Bournemouth. On the back of the injury, I think they would loan him out for a season as they will almost certainly buy again and Afobe is proving himself.
Wilson and Gestede up front, Judge, Westwood/ Veretout (will be fine in that league), Gana and Grealish in midfield and a new back 4 please. And keeper.
I was disappointed we did not take a punt of the defender Burnley got from Brentford, Polish name I can't spell. Amavi will stay I guess. Hutton has a year left at right back so I doubt we are going to shed him. So 2 big, no nonsense, hard centre halves and a goalkeeper. Jedinak from Palace still worth a look. 2-3 experienced pros with the right attitude and a will to win. Look at what Barton has done for Burnley along with Gray. Clough from Bolton is worth getting as a squad player. We need 3-4 forward options to supplement Gestede. I would sell all our centre halves on apart from Baker who knows the division. Bring Gardner back. And Robinson as a pacey outlet option.
Daniel Johnson would be a good signing too. In fact Simon Grayson would not be the worst shout as manager.
Get rid of Richards, Lescott, Gabby, NZog, Bacuna, Guzan, Bunn, Cissokho, Ayew (for money), Clark, Okore (12 months left and will want out), Sanchez, Sinclair
Jay Spearing, Emile Heskey, Shola Ameobi, Peter Whittingham, Curtis Davies.Hee, hee
In fact Simon Grayson would not be the worst shout as manager.
Grayson would be a great shout if/ when Garde resigns! hes doing really well up here on a limited budget and crap training facilities.
One player who I thought looked good for Liverpool before he got himself injured was Danny Ings. Whether he'd drop a division or struggle after his long lay off, I don't know but one to maybe consider.
Jay Spearing, Emile Heskey, Shola Ameobi, Peter Whittingham, Curtis Davies.
Nahki Wells of Huddersfield
John Terry will be available.A proper c**t...., Lescott couldn't work well with Paulo Maldini by his side.
When West Ham went down, the signing of Kevin Nolan was inspired. They spent the necessary money to tempt him to drop down a division to get them back up at the first attempt.
We need to do the same; a spine of experienced players who'd be able to hit the ground running in the championship would allow us to add a sprinkling of more skilful players around them. My ideal choices would be:
James Collins
Charlie Adam
Jonathan Walters
Jay Spearing, Emile Heskey, Shola Ameobi, Peter Whittingham, Curtis Davies.
Marshall of Cardiff in goal would be a good buy. Always looked decent whenever I've seen him.
Marshall of Cardiff in goal would be a good buy. Always looked decent whenever I've seen him.
Jay Spearing, Emile Heskey, Shola Ameobi, Peter Whittingham, Curtis Davies.
Carlton Palmer?
Marshall of Cardiff in goal would be a good buy. Always looked decent whenever I've seen him.
I think they were rumoured to be asking £10m for him.
My knowledge outside of Villa Park has never been great at the best of times
"They spent the necessary money to tempt...
We need to do the same"
Sims, Lilis and David Hunt
Most Championship teams have a British spine and predominantly British squad which buggers up our recruitment policy. Another reason I see Garde going as he won't have a clue on players to get us competitive in that division.
I actually think he would be a pretty decent appointment for us, especially if he could bring Daniel Johnson back and get him scoring from midfield for us.
The job is made for someone to come and become a bit of a hero
Sims, Lilis and David Hunt
Is Lillis still knocking about at Huddersfield?
There's a lad who plays for Huddersfield called Joe Lolley who used to be a regular on Villatalk. It's going to be fairly surreal for him next season lining up against us I bet. Anyway, let's buy him.
Most Championship teams have a British spine and predominantly British squad which buggers up our recruitment policy. Another reason I see Garde going as he won't have a clue on players to get us competitive in that division.
Karanka and Carvalhal seem to have managed okay as did the Watford manager who got them promoted last year. Why should Garde have less of a clue?
Most Championship teams have a British spine and predominantly British squad which buggers up our recruitment policy. Another reason I see Garde going as he won't have a clue on players to get us competitive in that division.
Karanka and Carvalhal seem to have managed okay as did the Watford manager who got them promoted last year. Why should Garde have less of a clue?
Karanka's been mentioned a few times, looks like Boro are bottling promotion again this year but what I would say on that....Boro had been down for 5 years when he was appointed so other managers like Mowbray had to do the dirty work of unloading the squad full of high earners and get it settled in the division.
I compare us more to teams like Blackburn, Bolton and Fulham all of whom are poorly run and were long time fixtures in the premier league, none of them have challenged for promotion since relegation and all three look more likely to go out the division the other way.
Premier league football is all any of us 30 or under have ever know and it will be the same for many at the club so it will be a massive culture shock for all of us and will take some time to get used to things.
Can't say I'm expecting promotino straight away, there is too much chaos around the club. It needs to be sold for a start.
I'm not saying he's not without his faults but by that statement you've essentially dismissed the utter gong show that he's had to contend with; on the pitch, off the pitch, in the boardroom, in the media and via social media. I don't think that's fair.
There's a lad who plays for Huddersfield called Joe Lolley who used to be a regular on Villatalk. It's going to be fairly surreal for him next season lining up against us I bet. Anyway, let's buy him.
I don't know much about him. Jonathan Hogg plays here too, he unfortunately did his ligaments recently. And Jed Steer's doing pretty well, I was talking to a Town lad the other night and the fans would like to see him stay permanently. It might be worth us giving him a go, he seems comfortable at that level.
This is why its ultimately important for us to hold onto most of our players, with a few exceptions.
For example, Sinclair. He's probably not a Premier League player, or if he is, its a squad role in a be
... to finish (sorry for tailing off) I think he could cause Championship defences problems and it's not worth replacing the likes of him.down there, as it would leave us rebuilding the first XI and the squad again.
If Hull don't go up I wouldn't say no to Dawson,Huddlestone and Diame.
Most Championship teams have a British spine and predominantly British squad which buggers up our recruitment policy. Another reason I see Garde going as he won't have a clue on players to get us competitive in that division.
Karanka and Carvalhal seem to have managed okay as did the Watford manager who got them promoted last year. Why should Garde have less of a clue?
Karanka's been mentioned a few times, looks like Boro are bottling promotion again this year but what I would say on that....Boro had been down for 5 years when he was appointed so other managers like Mowbray had to do the dirty work of unloading the squad full of high earners and get it settled in the division.
I compare us more to teams like Blackburn, Bolton and Fulham all of whom are poorly run and were long time fixtures in the premier league, none of them have challenged for promotion since relegation and all three look more likely to go out the division the other way.
Premier league football is all any of us 30 or under have ever know and it will be the same for many at the club so it will be a massive culture shock for all of us and will take some time to get used to things.
Can't say I'm expecting promotino straight away, there is too much chaos around the club. It needs to be sold for a start.
Or put another way - managers who 'know the English market' such as Strachan and Mowbray at Boro, and Gray, Jones and Megson at Wednesday failed miserably. Whereas two foreign managers who never even played over here have been very successful.
I'm not saying that Garde is automatically the right man but to me 'he's foreign therefore can't be a success in the Championship' is a daft stereotype.
... to finish (sorry for tailing off) I think he could cause Championship defences problems and it's not worth replacing the likes of him.down there, as it would leave us rebuilding the first XI and the squad again.
There isn't a manager capable of sorting this particular squad out, with the mentality that it is post-November and make the competitive in the Premier League.
No goal scorer, a nervous keeper, a defence lacking in confidence and easily panicked, a midfield who offers scant protection and creates fewer chances and worst still, score no goals; its a disaster and would be for anybody.
... to finish (sorry for tailing off) I think he could cause Championship defences problems and it's not worth replacing the likes of him.down there, as it would leave us rebuilding the first XI and the squad again.
Sinclair would be one of the first I'd get rid of Ads (it's a very long list in fairness!) I know he had a good season fo Swansea down there but that was 6 years ago....Man. City move made him for life, he married a wag, he's accomplised all he wants in football imo which you can see from his half-arsed performances and general attitude he has this season.
What is his motivation to going back to slogging it out away to Huddersfield and Rotherham in midweek.
Pace is key down there as most defences down there are pretty slow, you see that when teams come up, Derby have Warnock as a regular in their back 4. I'd try to keep Adama and I think Amavi will stay until January due to his injury. I too think Grealish will do well down there if he can sort his head out and start acting professionally.
Get in a decent striker, have Gestede as an option off the bench and we at least have some forward options that can hurt teams.
Sinclair would be one of the first I'd get rid of Ads (it's a very long list in fairness!) I know he had a good season fo Swansea down there but that was 6 years ago....Man. City move made him for life, he married a wag
He married a wife and a girlfriend?
... to finish (sorry for tailing off) I think he could cause Championship defences problems and it's not worth replacing the likes of him.down there, as it would leave us rebuilding the first XI and the squad again.
Sinclair would be one of the first I'd get rid of Ads (it's a very long list in fairness!) I know he had a good season fo Swansea down there but that was 6 years ago....Man. City move made him for life, he married a wag, he's accomplised all he wants in football imo which you can see from his half-arsed performances and general attitude he has this season.
What is his motivation to going back to slogging it out away to Huddersfield and Rotherham in midweek.
Pace is key down there as most defences down there are pretty slow, you see that when teams come up, Derby have Warnock as a regular in their back 4. I'd try to keep Adama and I think Amavi will stay until January due to his injury. I too think Grealish will do well down there if he can sort his head out and start acting professionally.
Get in a decent striker, have Gestede as an option off the bench and we at least have some forward options that can hurt teams.
I think lack of pace has hurt us this season badly. Adama will be gone though on his wages for certain. We need someone like Callum Wilson off Gestede and 2 wide players with pace to break at speed.
Sinclair would be one of the first I'd get rid of Ads (it's a very long list in fairness!) I know he had a good season fo Swansea down there but that was 6 years ago....Man. City move made him for life, he married a wag
He married a wife and a girlfriend?
I'd go for Roofe from Oxford for definate.No goals or threat from midfield needs to be rectified immediately.I don't want to see Gabby, Richards or Westwood in a Villa shirt again, and not bothered about Kozak, Lescott, Bacuna,Clark or Guzan either.
Can't believe we never went for Afobe tbh, 4 goals in 7 games.
Reports saying Veretout may be off to AC Mila
Reports saying Veretout may be off to AC Mila
Just read that, I'd hope we'd get our money back rather than what was in the article.
and Gana's off too
B/ham Mail saying Ayew / Veretout / Gana all out the door , Traore could also go
So basically unlike say Burnley/Hull who kept nucleolus of squad and are challenging to come back up we will have to rebuild most of the squad no doubt on the cheap and likely a new manager ...
The centre mids we keep signing are bits and pieces players. No speed, no real physicality, not good at getting up and down, no height there.
B/ham Mail saying Ayew / Veretout / Gana all out the door , Traore could also go
So basically unlike say Burnley/Hull who kept nucleolus of squad and are challenging to come back up we will have to rebuild most of the squad no doubt on the cheap and likely a new manager ...
Will be gutted if that is the case as those are players I hoped we would build the team around. Next season could be worse than this one.
Why do people continue to mention Gary Gardner? He must be close to 25 and is never ever fit. Is he really going to play 40 odd games next season?
Well presumably they're going to go for a lot of money then given what we paid.
Forest fans love him....
http://www.forestforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=43373
Reports saying Veretout may be off to AC Mila
Well presumably they're going to go for a lot of money then given what we paid.
I wouldn't assume that. I reckon the board will have a bit of a fire sale to get wages off the books. Nobody in their right mind would pay what we did for Gana and Veretout as they have not exactly pulled up any trees. I would guess we would let them go for £2-3m each. Ayew will fetch about £5m, as we are not in a strong negotiating position.
I doubt we will buy any replacements.
Well presumably they're going to go for a lot of money then given what we paid.
I wouldn't assume that. I reckon the board will have a bit of a fire sale to get wages off the books
Did you not say a million with pay offs yesterday? Getting better I guess. We will get 6 minimum for them, more for Ayew.
Reports saying Veretout may be off to AC Mila
There's plenty of things that I'd like to do with Mila Kunis but fixing her air-conditioning isn't one of them
Reports saying Veretout may be off to AC Mila
There's plenty of things that I'd like to do with Mila Kunis but fixing her air-conditioning isn't one of them
Is it not conceivable that by doing a great job fixing her AC could in fact lead to doing to her the things you want to do to her?
before anyone gets unduly panicked I'm sure when Newcastle went down there were similar articles surrounding their better players yet they pretty much held on to all of them. Relegation clauses or not, Liverpool showed with Suarez that clauses can be challenged. We are not going to sell all of the players because it makes no sense to do that. There will be some which I hope we have had a big say in so that it suits us.
before anyone gets unduly panicked I'm sure when Newcastle went down there were similar articles surrounding their better players yet they pretty much held on to all of them. Relegation clauses or not, Liverpool showed with Suarez that clauses can be challenged. We are not going to sell all of the players because it makes no sense to do that. There will be some which I hope we have had a big say in so that it suits us.
Depends what the grim reaper Hollis decides.
From his quotes and generally what seems to be going on behind the scenes currently I think he's going to have a good hack at the Carcass this summer.
Reports saying Veretout may be off to AC Mila
There's plenty of things that I'd like to do with Mila Kunis but fixing her air-conditioning isn't one of them
That's one good reason for Garde staying (getting rid of the troublemakers) another manager will come in thinking he can resurrect Gabby.When is the bit where we put him in a cave and block the entrance with a big egg stone
Nursey again........
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/aston-villa-ready-offload-french-7526630
Nursey again........
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/aston-villa-ready-offload-french-7526630
Sorry I still have my PL head on. I have to now lower my expectations. I have to now except that our once star prospects are now good enough to hold down a place in average 2nd Division sides. I suppose Greslish will be putting in good solid journeyman 7/10 performances next season too.
Can't wait.
The hope should be that Garde stays and is given the power to decide who stays and goes and what budget is available for him to rebuild. These are the guarantees I am sure he is looking for to remain part of the future.
The alternative is the board decide to sanction the sale of our better players, Garde leaves and a new manager is left with the dross and a meagre budget to try and rebuild.
Given recent history, option 2 seems much more likely.
Sorry I still have my PL head on. I have to now lower my expectations. I have to now except that our once star prospects are now good enough to hold down a place in average 2nd Division sides. I suppose Greslish will be putting in good solid journeyman 7/10 performances next season too.
Can't wait.
I agree. Gardner is playing in a mid table Forest side. Baker has been playing in a Bristol City side that have been in the relegation mix all season. We want players who are too good for that league, not players whose level is the bottom reaches of it.
Sorry I still have my PL head on. I have to now lower my expectations. I have to now except that our once star prospects are now good enough to hold down a place in average 2nd Division sides. I suppose Greslish will be putting in good solid journeyman 7/10 performances next season too.
Can't wait.
I agree. Gardner is playing in a mid table Forest side. Baker has been playing in a Bristol City side that have been in the relegation mix all season. We want players who are too good for that league, not players whose level is the bottom reaches of it.
While Gueye has had, at best, an up and down season, I still think he has promise and don't want him to leave. I also want Veretout and Ayew to stay.I agree.A forward line that contains Ayew and Gestede with a fast and tricky winger to supply them would pay dividends in the Championship. Gueye works hard but Veretout needs a goal or two to get him going.Nathan Baker will be OK in this division.
I keep saying I'm definitely getting a season ticket next year but if we sell off the promising players tov further balance the books I might think they can't be arsed so why should I.
Grealish to go too according to the Israeli Times.
Sorry I still have my PL head on. I have to now lower my expectations. I have to now except that our once star prospects are now good enough to hold down a place in average 2nd Division sides. I suppose Greslish will be putting in good solid journeyman 7/10 performances next season too.
Can't wait.
I agree. Gardner is playing in a mid table Forest side. Baker has been playing in a Bristol City side that have been in the relegation mix all season. We want players who are too good for that league, not players whose level is the bottom reaches of it.
Who's gonna pay for them? Lerner ain't . People like Clark, Baker, Gardner, Grealish and Westwood would give us a good basis of a young side who still want to achieve things. Add in say Hutton and Lescott for some experience, and buy some steel in midfield and a decent striker. I don't think that's a bad championship side. A large majority of the last side that got relegated played a big part in getting us promoted with the right players added and they were just as terrible
Promote the young academy players, with two/three astute core signings - consolidate in Championship, and then slowly build a squad good enough to get promoted and stay up.
We can't be selling all of our good players
Looking at the accounts there will be little choice. The squad needs totally ripping apart to start again. If wages were 74m last season they are likely higher this so will need to come down about half quickly you would think. Richards Ayew Lescott Gabby Nzogbia Guzan I reckon all on upwards of 50k a week will need to be shed fast.
Looking at the accounts there will be little choice. The squad needs totally ripping apart to start again. If wages were 74m last season they are likely higher this so will need to come down about half quickly you would think. Richards Ayew Lescott Gabby Nzogbia Guzan I reckon all on upwards of 50k a week will need to be shed fast.
In fairness when the relegation clauses kick in that will get it down overnight. That said I have no idea how much of a reduction these sort of things normally have in them. I've seen £6k a week quoted somewhere as the average Championship wage (no idea if that is accurate), even if the clauses are 50% drop then we are still way over average for that league.
We need to get straight back up, and keep better players. However we also need to make sure we don't go tits up if we don't get promoted and be able to cope when the parachute money stops.
The board will sell high wage players and I can understand why. What I hope happens is that we also buy some new ones, but gut feeling tells me they will cross fingers and hope that the dross look better at that level.
Looking at the accounts there will be little choice. The squad needs totally ripping apart to start again. If wages were 74m last season they are likely higher this so will need to come down about half quickly you would think. Richards Ayew Lescott Gabby Nzogbia Guzan I reckon all on upwards of 50k a week will need to be shed fast.
In fairness when the relegation clauses kick in that will get it down overnight. That said I have no idea how much of a reduction these sort of things normally have in them. I've seen £6k a week quoted somewhere as the average Championship wage (no idea if that is accurate), even if the clauses are 50% drop then we are still way over average for that league.
We need to get straight back up, and keep better players. However we also need to make sure we don't go tits up if we don't get promoted and be able to cope when the parachute money stops.
The board will sell high wage players and I can understand why. What I hope happens is that we also buy some new ones, but gut feeling tells me they will cross fingers and hope that the dross look better at that level.
do you think our board will have been clever enough to insert relegation clauses into contracts?
Looking at the accounts there will be little choice. The squad needs totally ripping apart to start again. If wages were 74m last season they are likely higher this so will need to come down about half quickly you would think. Richards Ayew Lescott Gabby Nzogbia Guzan I reckon all on upwards of 50k a week will need to be shed fast.
do you think our board will have been clever enough to insert relegation clauses into contracts?
Yes. But I doubt any payer signing a £50k a week contract with a perennial relegation struggling outfit (sadly that's the Villa these days) would accept a clause knocking it down to the £6k week Championship average wage. Question is how much do the salaries drop, is it 30%, 50% 10%?
I have no clue what is standard. Dave Woodhall is right, looking at Newcastles accounts before and after the drop would give an insight.
Looking at the accounts there will be little choice. The squad needs totally ripping apart to start again. If wages were 74m last season they are likely higher this so will need to come down about half quickly you would think. Richards Ayew Lescott Gabby Nzogbia Guzan I reckon all on upwards of 50k a week will need to be shed fast.
Looking at the accounts there will be little choice. The squad needs totally ripping apart to start again. If wages were 74m last season they are likely higher this so will need to come down about half quickly you would think. Richards Ayew Lescott Gabby Nzogbia Guzan I reckon all on upwards of 50k a week will need to be shed fast.
Richards, N'Zogbia, probably Gabby - yes. But I'd be amazed if the others were on anything close to that.
At Lorient, Ayew earned a shade over £20k per week - I can't imagine it would have taken a 150% increase on his wages to persuade him to join us.
Looking at the accounts there will be little choice. The squad needs totally ripping apart to start again. If wages were 74m last season they are likely higher this so will need to come down about half quickly you would think. Richards Ayew Lescott Gabby Nzogbia Guzan I reckon all on upwards of 50k a week will need to be shed fast.
Richards, N'Zogbia, probably Gabby - yes. But I'd be amazed if the others were on anything close to that.
At Lorient, Ayew earned a shade over £20k per week - I can't imagine it would have taken a 150% increase on his wages to persuade him to join us.
Even that is too much for the championship, so he won't be here!
Troy Deeley was on £40k a week in the Championship, and the goalie.
but as ever, who will buy those still on a contract?
We need to focus on the malignant core, who are coincidentally by and large our top earners.
Richardson and N'Zogbia will probably save us the best part of £4.5m a season, bu the likes of Richards, Lescott, Guzan, Agbonlahor, Clark, Westwood and Bacuna need to be moved this summer.
Interest in Richards?
Seriously, who would want him after looking at his performances for us this season?
Interest in Richards?
Seriously, who would want him after looking at his performances for us this season?
Shall we just wrap this thread up now and save ourselves the disappointment?
Troy Deeley was on £40k a week in the Championship, and the goalie.
Deeney and Gomes? Where do people get these figures from?
I can't wait to see what players we manage to dig up with no money. We can't find a bucket to piss in with £50m to spend so with 50p we haven't a chance with these lot in charge.
Troy Deeley was on £40k a week in the Championship, and the goalie.
Deeney and Gomes? Where do people get these figures from?
From the player when asked why he hadn't moved to the PL.
Bacuna is contracted until 2020. He's going nowhere
I can't wait to see what players we manage to dig up with no money. We can't find a bucket to piss in with £50m to spend so with 50p we haven't a chance with these lot in charge.
Yet on another thread Randy has spent too much. Which is it?
I can't wait to see what players we manage to dig up with no money. We can't find a bucket to piss in with £50m to spend so with 50p we haven't a chance with these lot in charge.
Yet on another thread Randy has spent too much. Which is it?
What on earth are you on about again?
We can't scout a half decent player with £50m burning a hole in our pocket,
No reports about clubs wanting to sign Gabby then? Or a swoop by aSerie A club for Westwood? Thought not. People are only interested in the dross our useless transfer committe signed last summer...We don't have a transfer committee.
I can't wait to see what players we manage to dig up with no money. We can't find a bucket to piss in with £50m to spend so with 50p we haven't a chance with these lot in charge.
Yet on another thread Randy has spent too much. Which is it?
What on earth are you on about again?
We can't scout a half decent player with £50m burning a hole in our pocket,
Apart from Ayew, Amavi, Traore and Gana. They're half decent and someone will want them if they don't want to stop.
I can't wait to see what players we manage to dig up with no money. We can't find a bucket to piss in with £50m to spend so with 50p we haven't a chance with these lot in charge.
Yet on another thread Randy has spent too much. Which is it?
What on earth are you on about again?
We can't scout a half decent player with £50m burning a hole in our pocket,
Apart from Ayew, Amavi, Traore and Gana. They're half decent and someone will want them if they don't want to stop.
I agree re the others, but I haven't seen anything from Traore to suggest he's any good.
I can't wait to see what players we manage to dig up with no money. We can't find a bucket to piss in with £50m to spend so with 50p we haven't a chance with these lot in charge.
Yet on another thread Randy has spent too much. Which is it?
What on earth are you on about again?
We can't scout a half decent player with £50m burning a hole in our pocket,
Apart from Ayew, Amavi, Traore and Gana. They're half decent and someone will want them if they don't want to stop.
I agree re the others, but I haven't seen anything from Traore to suggest he's any good.
He looks like someone who could be a very good player in time and when he's actually fit. He's a bit raw but I can see why we brought him in.
I can't wait to see what players we manage to dig up with no money. We can't find a bucket to piss in with £50m to spend so with 50p we haven't a chance with these lot in charge.
Yet on another thread Randy has spent too much. Which is it?
What on earth are you on about again?
We can't scout a half decent player with £50m burning a hole in our pocket,
Apart from Ayew, Amavi, Traore and Gana. They're half decent and someone will want them if they don't want to stop.
I agree re the others, but I haven't seen anything from Traore to suggest he's any good.
He looks like someone who could be a very good player in time and when he's actually fit. He's a bit raw but I can see why we brought him in.
I wouldn't disagree with that, but the action I've seen to make me think he could be decent has all been youtube stuff from before he joined us. I've seen him do nothing for us, pretty much - he's constantly injured, which doesn't help, but he's been a poor signing.
When you think about it, we have so many players who contribute next to nothing, but cost decent wages.
No wonder we're fucked.
See that kind of return, to me, says poor signing.
We've made far too many of that type in recent years.
12 pages already...I predict this time another 1000 page thread before 31 August.
He's played approx 185 mins of league football for us and got 2 assists. 60 mins of cup football and scored a goal.
I honestly believe if we'd been able to play him and Amavi in most games that we wouldn't be in the bottom 3.
Reports saying Veretout may be off to AC Mila
There's plenty of things that I'd like to do with Mila Kunis but fixing her air-conditioning isn't one of them
Is it not conceivable that by doing a great job fixing her AC could in fact lead to doing to her the things you want to do to her?
I can't wait to see what players we manage to dig up with no money. We can't find a bucket to piss in with £50m to spend so with 50p we haven't a chance with these lot in charge.
Yet on another thread Randy has spent too much. Which is it?
What on earth are you on about again?
We can't scout a half decent player with £50m burning a hole in our pocket,
Apart from Ayew, Amavi, Traore and Gana. They're half decent and someone will want them if they don't want to stop.
He's played approx 185 mins of league football for us and got 2 assists. 60 mins of cup football and scored a goal.
I honestly believe if we'd been able to play him and Amavi in most games that we wouldn't be in the bottom 3.
We would have scored more goals. I'd certainly like to see him and Amavi stay if possible. Amavi's injury should mean we keep him and the Championship might be a better place for Traore to step up from the Spanish third division. Ayew is the other one I'd be desperate to hold onto as well.
I can't wait to see what players we manage to dig up with no money. We can't find a bucket to piss in with £50m to spend so with 50p we haven't a chance with these lot in charge.
Yet on another thread Randy has spent too much. Which is it?
What on earth are you on about again?
We can't scout a half decent player with £50m burning a hole in our pocket,
Apart from Ayew, Amavi, Traore and Gana. They're half decent and someone will want them if they don't want to stop.
Ayew is Ok, shown nothing more nothing less but stands out like a shining light in a sea of crap. Amavi has played about 10 games? Traore hasn't started a single league game and Gana is part of the worst Villa midfield I think I've ever seen, going back to 1987 and doesn't stand out. If you think that was a good summers business we will have to agree to disagree.
I think Traoré was a decent signing, as "one for the future". There's definitely a lot of potential there.
I can't wait to see what players we manage to dig up with no money. We can't find a bucket to piss in with £50m to spend so with 50p we haven't a chance with these lot in charge.
Yet on another thread Randy has spent too much. Which is it?
What on earth are you on about again?
We can't scout a half decent player with £50m burning a hole in our pocket,
Apart from Ayew, Amavi, Traore and Gana. They're half decent and someone will want them if they don't want to stop.
He's played approx 185 mins of league football for us and got 2 assists. 60 mins of cup football and scored a goal.
I honestly believe if we'd been able to play him and Amavi in most games that we wouldn't be in the bottom 3.
Ayew is Ok, shown nothing more nothing less but stands out like a shining light in a sea of crap. Amavi has played about 10 games? Traore hasn't started a single league game and Gana is part of the worst Villa midfield I think I've ever seen, going back to 1987 and doesn't stand out. If you think that was a good summers business we will have to agree to disagree.
Ayew is Ok, shown nothing more nothing less but stands out like a shining light in a sea of crap. Amavi has played about 10 games? Traore hasn't started a single league game and Gana is part of the worst Villa midfield I think I've ever seen, going back to 1987 and doesn't stand out. If you think that was a good summers business we will have to agree to disagree.
Even though you thought it was fine at the time.
Reports saying Veretout may be off to AC MilaIf that's a euphemism please explain so that we can try it?
No one wants that!Reports saying Veretout may be off to AC Mila
There's plenty of things that I'd like to do with Mila Kunis but fixing her air-conditioning isn't one of them
Is it not conceivable that by doing a great job fixing her AC could in fact lead to doing to her the things you want to do to her?
Well if it stops her blowing ......
Ayew is Ok, shown nothing more nothing less but stands out like a shining light in a sea of crap. Amavi has played about 10 games? Traore hasn't started a single league game and Gana is part of the worst Villa midfield I think I've ever seen, going back to 1987 and doesn't stand out. If you think that was a good summers business we will have to agree to disagree.
Even though you thought it was fine at the time.
Having not seen a single french first division game in my life and trusting/hoping the club couldn't sign an entire bunch of players for £50m that make us worse than last season yes.
I was wrong, they look out of their depth. They're bit part players, ones you'd add to a solid, strong spine with leadership.
Troy Deeley was on £40k a week in the Championship, and the goalie.
Deeney and Gomes? Where do people get these figures from?
From the player when asked why he hadn't moved to the PL.
He didn't want to move to the Premier League because two Watford players were supposedly on £40,000 a week in the Championship?
Come on that's easy just start one titled "Steve Hodge -Villa Legend I love". 1000 pages in 7 days with every post no longer than 3 words!12 pages already...I predict this time another 1000 page thread before 31 August.
I hope so. It's about time one of my threads hit the big time.
Ayew is Ok, shown nothing more nothing less but stands out like a shining light in a sea of crap. Amavi has played about 10 games? Traore hasn't started a single league game and Gana is part of the worst Villa midfield I think I've ever seen, going back to 1987 and doesn't stand out. If you think that was a good summers business we will have to agree to disagree.
Even though you thought it was fine at the time.
Having not seen a single french first division game in my life and trusting/hoping the club couldn't sign an entire bunch of players for £50m that make us worse than last season yes.
I was wrong, they look out of their depth. They're bit part players, ones you'd add to a solid, strong spine with leadership.
I wouldn't say they look out of their depth at all. They're probably the kind of players who needed a season to settle in though which didn't help.
40 years ago but IIRC Dennis Mortimer made his debut in a 4-1 Boxing Day win over W Ham and was very good. And Peter Withe scored a brace in a 2-2 draw at Man City in what I think was his 3rd game.
Ken McNaught now was a different story.....
The midfield we employ is slow and one paced, which is okay if you get plenty of movement from your strikers ,we badly need two quick midfielders ,it takes pressure off our brittle defence and ensures other teams are less able to play hiigher up the pitch.
is Mr Umpa Lumpa coming too ?
I read yesterday on Newsnow that we are in talks with 32 year old Raul Miereles the former Liverpool and Chelsea player. If he still has it, could be a smart move.
Not one of them can beat a man.
Not one of them can beat a man.
Not one of them can beat a man.
That's illegal.
Not one of them can beat a man.
That's illegal.
It's ok as long as money doesn't change hands.
I read yesterday on Newsnow that we are in talks with 32 year old Raul Miereles the former Liverpool and Chelsea player. If he still has it, could be a smart move.
If nothing else, he would bring one of the finer beards that football has to offer:
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What happened to the young lad Vydra at Watford? He was scoring for fun the season they were promoted, I remember seeing a stat he'd scored almost 40 goals in 2 seasons there.
Or just keep Grealish and look to add some quality around him.
Not Jordany enough for my liking.
Bring back Bowery.
Not Jordany enough for my liking.
Bring back Bowery.
The thought of Bowery back at Villa gives me the CBGBs
Duffy the Blackburn centre back seems to be in the same sort of mould of a Chris Nicholl,Evans mellberg type player we could do with now
Piece of cake this managerial lark
Not Jordany enough for my liking.
Bring back Bowery.
The thought of Bowery back at Villa gives me the CBGBs
I wouldn't say no to Big Bum Barry being signed for a couple of years.
I was surprised Downing ended up back at Boro so soon after having actually had his best season in a while at West Ham. At Barry's age I'd love it if he could be tempted to take the drop to lead us up. He probably won't.I wouldn't say no to Big Bum Barry being signed for a couple of years.
I think he would.
It was never about his ability. It was 100% to do with his attitude. We saw flashes or glimpses of it and thought we might have had something special but he often managed to let himself down. I'm glad he's found a spot to develop and possibly mature. Young Jack needs to put his head down and avoid missing out on opportunities like Barry Bannan. It would be a huge shame if he had to bounce between clubs and lose several good playing years before realizing what he has.Hopefully for Bannan's sake he's finally knuckled down. He seems to at least have found consistency. Very talented player.
It was never about his ability. It was 100% to do with his attitude. We saw flashes or glimpses of it and thought we might have had something special but he often managed to let himself down. I'm glad he's found a spot to develop and possibly mature. Young Jack needs to put his head down and avoid missing out on opportunities like Barry Bannan. It would be a huge shame if he had to bounce between clubs and lose several good playing years before realizing what he has.Hopefully for Bannan's sake he's finally knuckled down. He seems to at least have found consistency. Very talented player.
Next season is going to be key for Grealish. He can't start getting silly and pushing for a move. A year in the championship, playing every week, out of the limelight will do him good.
Anyone tempted by The Scottish Messi returning?? Finally fulfilling his potential at Wednesday. They love him there apparently. They're doing quite well but maybe he'll be tempted to come back if we put a good offer in. I think he's a class act at that level.
As long as he wasn't throwing his piss around he's alright.It was never about his ability. It was 100% to do with his attitude. We saw flashes or glimpses of it and thought we might have had something special but he often managed to let himself down. I'm glad he's found a spot to develop and possibly mature. Young Jack needs to put his head down and avoid missing out on opportunities like Barry Bannan. It would be a huge shame if he had to bounce between clubs and lose several good playing years before realizing what he has.Hopefully for Bannan's sake he's finally knuckled down. He seems to at least have found consistency. Very talented player.
Next season is going to be key for Grealish. He can't start getting silly and pushing for a move. A year in the championship, playing every week, out of the limelight will do him good.
I saw Bannan at The Cheltenham Gold Cup on the Friday. He was with his mates. Couldn't confirm if he was drinking.
I miss the term "hollywood pass."Anyone tempted by The Scottish Messi returning?? Finally fulfilling his potential at Wednesday. They love him there apparently. They're doing quite well but maybe he'll be tempted to come back if we put a good offer in. I think he's a class act at that level.
not in the slightest
Off the pitch he didn't do himself any favours, but I thought Bannan was a decent player and didn't deserve the over the top stick he got when he was here.
Watching that video all it did was make me think Grealish, Traore, Veretout and even Westwood are going to be a class apart from most championship sides in the right formation, and that if we can keep hold of 3-4 of our better players and shed the fucking wasters like the 2 captains who are having a rest after such a hard season in some night club in Dubai, then we will be fine.
I like Dominic Iorfa the Wolves defender , represented England Under-18 , Under-20 & the Under-21 level. Looks like a very good prospect, pacy , big, strong & versatile. Realistically, though, he will probably be snapped up by a Premier Club at seasons end......Godzvilla!
The clear and present danger to the Villa manager whoever it might be is what is to be done with the inferior players on long contracts. In an ideal world they would have their contracts paid up and they will be shipped out. We will not have the funds to do that so some form of loan compromise beckons.
The full problem is that the contractually most embedded players are at the he root of dressing room discontent. The very first thing, repeat, very first thing that must happen is the purging of the dressing room.
I don't think it was a coincidence that we showed an upturn in form with Agbonlahor and Richards omitted from the side. Garde incomprehensibly let them and Lescott and Guzan back into the team, Liverpool happened and Garde was toast.
Bomb Squad Mk 2 may well materialise in disguise. Gardening Club perhaps.
Is there dressing room discontent? Apart from a few rumours i've not seen much evidence of it. Yes the players mentioned have been awful, but then so have the rest. Now if they're past it, or not upto the championship by all means get rid if we can, but if its a case of players demotivated by the squad being steadily weakened by sales of players not replaced by board policy and a string of god-awful managerial appointments then maybe its up to a new guy to assess them? I would say not one of the senior players come out with any credit this season for attitude with maybe the exception the Hutton, but its not really just a problem with them is it? NO-ONE seems to want to play for Garde. I think ability wise most of the players could do a job in the championship and selecting the right ones will be the biggest challenge for the new guy, because like it or not, he'll have to use a lot of them. And if there is cliques or discontent in the dressing room, I'm not sure a new bomb squad is going to help matters....
Would buy Nakhi Wells and Dwight Gayle for next season
Is there dressing room discontent? Apart from a few rumours i've not seen much evidence of it. Yes the players mentioned have been awful, but then so have the rest. Now if they're past it, or not upto the championship by all means get rid if we can, but if its a case of players demotivated by the squad being steadily weakened by sales of players not replaced by board policy and a string of god-awful managerial appointments then maybe its up to a new guy to assess them? I would say not one of the senior players come out with any credit this season for attitude with maybe the exception the Hutton, but its not really just a problem with them is it? NO-ONE seems to want to play for Garde. I think ability wise most of the players could do a job in the championship and selecting the right ones will be the biggest challenge for the new guy, because like it or not, he'll have to use a lot of them. And if there is cliques or discontent in the dressing room, I'm not sure a new bomb squad is going to help matters....
Lescott - messing around on Twitter
Guzan & Lescott - the chewing gum rubbish
Richards - the comments about the French players
No, it's not just the senior players who've played badly, but they are the ones who the younger ones look to as an example. And they're a bad example.
And as for 'NO-ONE' seeming to want to play for Garde, they didn't seem to want to play for Lambert, Sherwood (save for about four games last season), McDonald or in some cases McLeish and Houllier either. How about they play for their sizeable wages instead? What makes you think that dropping down into the championship is going to make them want to start to play?
Is there dressing room discontent? Apart from a few rumours i've not seen much evidence of it. Yes the players mentioned have been awful, but then so have the rest. Now if they're past it, or not upto the championship by all means get rid if we can, but if its a case of players demotivated by the squad being steadily weakened by sales of players not replaced by board policy and a string of god-awful managerial appointments then maybe its up to a new guy to assess them? I would say not one of the senior players come out with any credit this season for attitude with maybe the exception the Hutton, but its not really just a problem with them is it? NO-ONE seems to want to play for Garde. I think ability wise most of the players could do a job in the championship and selecting the right ones will be the biggest challenge for the new guy, because like it or not, he'll have to use a lot of them. And if there is cliques or discontent in the dressing room, I'm not sure a new bomb squad is going to help matters....
Lescott - messing around on Twitter
Guzan & Lescott - the chewing gum rubbish
Richards - the comments about the French players
No, it's not just the senior players who've played badly, but they are the ones who the younger ones look to as an example. And they're a bad example.
And as for 'NO-ONE' seeming to want to play for Garde, they didn't seem to want to play for Lambert, Sherwood (save for about four games last season), McDonald or in some cases McLeish and Houllier either. How about they play for their sizeable wages instead? What makes you think that dropping down into the championship is going to make them want to start to play?
Well i'm not sure any of that classes as dressing room discontent really.. Players acting unprofessionally maybe but to be honest we seen that every season on and off from MON's time, but signs that they're deliberately causing trouble? Don't think so
Surgery will be needed but I would rather spend sensibly and only bring in, say three players of quality than do what we did last summer. Hindsight is a wonderful thing I guess. We need a keeper, centre half, central midfielder for certain. If there is to be a fourth, then a striker to play off Gestede. I suspect that we may be looking at one or two free transfers for next season perhaps. I saw recently that we were linked to Miereles, the former Chelsea and Liverpool player. Yes please.
If we have any chance next season we must build a spine of experience for the Championship. There will be players out of contract and also ones not getting much game time who we must be targeting right now!!! There are some players from the below who could do a job in a very tough league. Id go for ones in Bold
Goalkeepers
David Marshall - Cardiff, Julian Speroni - Palace, Boruc - Bournemouth
Defenders
Damian Delaney - Palace, Brede Hangland - Palace, McAuley - WBA, Hibbert - Everton, Joey O Brien - West Ham, Marcin Wasilewski - Leicester, Marc Wilson Stoke
Midfielders
Morrison - WBA, Tettey - Norwich , Gary O Neil - Norwich, Gibson - Everton, Osman - Everton, Pienarr - Everton. Carrick - MAn Utd (dream)
Attackers
Sessengon - WBA
Along with the some of the highlighted above players out there who aren't getting game time
Crouch, Adam - Stoke
Dyer - Swansea (Leicester)
There must be others too - we have to start somewhere as I cant face watching those idiots again
Surgery will be needed but I would rather spend sensibly and only bring in, say three players of quality than do what we did last summer. Hindsight is a wonderful thing I guess. We need a keeper, centre half, central midfielder for certain. If there is to be a fourth, then a striker to play off Gestede. I suspect that we may be looking at one or two free transfers for next season perhaps. I saw recently that we were linked to Miereles, the former Chelsea and Liverpool player. Yes please.
See, I thought we needed to build us a side to get us out of the championship, not stay in it.my thoughts exactly
Surgery will be needed but I would rather spend sensibly and only bring in, say three players of quality than do what we did last summer. Hindsight is a wonderful thing I guess. We need a keeper, centre half, central midfielder for certain. If there is to be a fourth, then a striker to play off Gestede. I suspect that we may be looking at one or two free transfers for next season perhaps. I saw recently that we were linked to Miereles, the former Chelsea and Liverpool player. Yes please.I fucking give up with some Villa fans. Three signings and some free transfers are going to turn things round are they?
I fucking give up with some Villa fans. Three signings and some free transfers are going to turn things round are they?Ok, keep being angry and give us, in your opinion, you answer to the problems
We need surgery do we? We're terminal and you seem to think treatment for an ingrown toenail will sort everything?
Sorry mate, nothing personal.
I'm just angry.
Charlie Adam would be a good pick up.
Not involved much for Stoke at the minute but was in good form for them a while ago and if we're looking for that Nolan type who can score 10-15 from midfield down there think he's as good an option as any.
Would anyone take Crouch for a season or two?
The four biggest signings need to be right through the middle of the team - GK, CB, energetic CM, proper CF.
The four biggest signings need to be right through the middle of the team - GK, CB, energetic CM, proper CF.
This is unfortunately what we have been lacking, not just this season, but the last 5 IMHO.
The four biggest signings need to be right through the middle of the team - GK, CB, energetic CM, proper CF.
This is unfortunately what we have been lacking, not just this season, but the last 5 IMHO.
I disagree. Up until this season we had Vlaar, Delph, Benteke. That's a Premier League spine of the team but they desperately needed help. This season we had that spine removed and the players who would have fitted around them came in not to help them but to replace them.
Which begs the question, why the fuck didn't Tim sign a first choice goalkeeper and striker?The four biggest signings need to be right through the middle of the team - GK, CB, energetic CM, proper CF.
This is unfortunately what we have been lacking, not just this season, but the last 5 IMHO.
I disagree. Up until this season we had Vlaar, Delph, Benteke. That's a Premier League spine of the team but they desperately needed help. This season we had that spine removed and the players who would have fitted around them came in not to help them but to replace them.
My feelings exactly.
Which begs the question, why the fuck didn't Tim sign a first choice goalkeeper and striker?The four biggest signings need to be right through the middle of the team - GK, CB, energetic CM, proper CF.
This is unfortunately what we have been lacking, not just this season, but the last 5 IMHO.
I disagree. Up until this season we had Vlaar, Delph, Benteke. That's a Premier League spine of the team but they desperately needed help. This season we had that spine removed and the players who would have fitted around them came in not to help them but to replace them.
My feelings exactly.
I don't believe Bunn and Gestede were bought as starting 11 players.
That was a monumental cock up.
Get Danny IngsGood shout that. I think if we had Moyes in charge we could get someone like Ings to drop to the championship.
He might have a future with Liverpool - hard to tell with him being out for the season with a cruciate.Completely forgot about that.
I reckon Klopp will be buying big and selling Ings and Benteke. Ings did really well for Burnley so he's one of those instinctive forwards that Wouk do really well at Championship level.An alternative may be that they decide to loan Ings out with him coming back from such a horrid injury. He's still young, they may still see the potential in him. Even so, if he were available on loan we should be going for him.
I reckon Klopp will be buying big and selling Ings and Benteke. Ings did really well for Burnley so he's one of those instinctive forwards that Wouk do really well at Championship level.
If he is up for loan Burnley I reckon.Probably. We would have to sell the shit out of our rebuilding plan. If you have someone like Steve Bruce managing, right off the back it looks like we've given up.
We shouldn't be getting rid of Gil or Gestede. Gil hasn't been the player we thought he may have been and we can now clearly see why Sherwood dropped him last season. We can see he has quality and with good players around him, he could be sensational, unfortunately he has been playing alongside the worst villa side I have ever seen and Gil isn't a player you can rely on - more of a luxury.
Rudy has been dreadful this season, but he scored 20 goals the last season he was in the Championship; in a Blackburn side that only finished 9th. He can't really play with his feet, but he is good in the air and it would be a mistake letting him go.
Provided they grow a collective pair, Amavi and Grealish should combine well on the left next season.
Time and again yesterday, Grealish drew two defenders to him playing Cissokho in down the left where the chances were wasted.
Amavi in that position should be able to create plenty of goals.
new keeper for sure, leader at centre half to organise defence, new right back, new captain in midfield, new striker,
looks like we will be competing with the two if not three clubs in the north east for players
id sell Gana to be honest, a fair weather player not one for a scrap and not a character we need next season
Personally I think Klopp will be a fan of Ings. Obviously no idea how much the injury will have taken its toll but he's an industrous little bastard and will fit in with his high intensity pressing. Also as mentioned there will be top flight clubs in for him.
I agree with the Adam shouts. I also like Morrison from the Tesco bags but again think he would get top flight offers. That's not to say they wouldn't still drop a division, just makes it less likely.
Provided they grow a collective pair, Amavi and Grealish should combine well on the left next season.
Time and again yesterday, Grealish drew two defenders to him playing Cissokho in down the left where the chances were wasted.
Amavi in that position should be able to create plenty of goals.
new keeper for sure, leader at centre half to organise defence, new right back, new captain in midfield, new striker,
looks like we will be competing with the two if not three clubs in the north east for players
id sell Gana to be honest, a fair weather player not one for a scrap and not a character we need next season
They've done us over a couple of times with centre halves (Curtis Davies and Lescott), but I wonder how much mileage Jonas Olsson has left in him. By all accounts he will be leaving Albion at the end of the season and if he has anything left, he might not be a bad signing for the Championship. Leader, nasty side to him - just what we need. Have to bad careful though, and we don't need another Lescott.
And while we're on the subject of those idiots, James Morrison would be a very good signing as well.
Whoever comes in has got a massive job on their hands; not only in bringing in the right players but also in shipping out some of the crap we have in our squad
I personally would like to see the following out - Guzan, Bunn, Hutton, Richards, Lescott, Cissokho, Crespo, Richardson, Bacuna, Westwood, Sanchez, N'Zogbia, Gil, Veretout, Agbonlahor and Kozak.
That's 16 players some of whom will be out of contract but most of whom have been absolutely dog shit all season so if we did manage to shift that lot it would be a bloody miracle!
No idea who we would be able to bring in but Charlie Adam seems a good shout and Ross McCormack at Fulham seems to be scoring goals for fun in a piss poor Fulham side - he would not be cheap though
Whoever comes in has got a massive job on their hands; not only in bringing in the right players but also in shipping out some of the crap we have in our squad
I personally would like to see the following out - Guzan, Bunn, Hutton, Richards, Lescott, Cissokho, Crespo, Richardson, Bacuna, Westwood, Sanchez, N'Zogbia, Gil, Veretout, Agbonlahor and Kozak.
That's 16 players some of whom will be out of contract but most of whom have been absolutely dog shit all season so if we did manage to shift that lot it would be a bloody miracle!
No idea who we would be able to bring in but Charlie Adam seems a good shout and Ross McCormack at Fulham seems to be scoring goals for fun in a piss poor Fulham side - he would not be cheap though
Out of that list, I'd like to see us keep Bunn, Veretout and Kozak. Bacuna for his versatility may come in useful as well.
Provided they grow a collective pair, Amavi and Grealish should combine well on the left next season.
Time and again yesterday, Grealish drew two defenders to him playing Cissokho in down the left where the chances were wasted.
Amavi in that position should be able to create plenty of goals.
new keeper for sure, leader at centre half to organise defence, new right back, new captain in midfield, new striker,
looks like we will be competing with the two if not three clubs in the north east for players
id sell Gana to be honest, a fair weather player not one for a scrap and not a character we need next season
They've done us over a couple of times with centre halves (Curtis Davies and Lescott), but I wonder how much mileage Jonas Olsson has left in him. By all accounts he will be leaving Albion at the end of the season and if he has anything left, he might not be a bad signing for the Championship. Leader, nasty side to him - just what we need. Have to bad careful though, and we don't need another Lescott.
And while we're on the subject of those idiots, James Morrison would be a very good signing as well.
Olsson and Morrison would be good shouts for sure, Morrison will surely get top division offers though
Whoever comes in has got a massive job on their hands; not only in bringing in the right players but also in shipping out some of the crap we have in our squad
I personally would like to see the following out - Guzan, Bunn, Hutton, Richards, Lescott, Cissokho, Crespo, Richardson, Bacuna, Westwood, Sanchez, N'Zogbia, Gil, Veretout, Agbonlahor and Kozak.
That's 16 players some of whom will be out of contract but most of whom have been absolutely dog shit all season so if we did manage to shift that lot it would be a bloody miracle!
No idea who we would be able to bring in but Charlie Adam seems a good shout and Ross McCormack at Fulham seems to be scoring goals for fun in a piss poor Fulham side - he would not be cheap though
Out of that list, I'd like to see us keep Bunn, Veretout and Kozak. Bacuna for his versatility may come in useful as well.
But what do we do when Bayern come in for Bacuna?
Personally I think Klopp will be a fan of Ings. Obviously no idea how much the injury will have taken its toll but he's an industrous little bastard and will fit in with his high intensity pressing. Also as mentioned there will be top flight clubs in for him.
I agree with the Adam shouts. I also like Morrison from the Tesco bags but again think he would get top flight offers. That's not to say they wouldn't still drop a division, just makes it less likely.
First priority off me would be a striker. He's another who is going to have offers from Premier League teams, but Dwight Gayle would be a good buy. Agree with the shouts about Adam and Morrison, and about David Marshall. The back four might need a total rebuild, but I hope Okore stays.
I really think we need an old head surrounded by youth.
Step forward Gareth Barry - a true footballer to drive us back
Whoever comes in has got a massive job on their hands; not only in bringing in the right players but also in shipping out some of the crap we have in our squad
I personally would like to see the following out - Guzan, Bunn, Hutton, Richards, Lescott, Cissokho, Crespo, Richardson, Bacuna, Westwood, Sanchez, N'Zogbia, Gil, Veretout, Agbonlahor and Kozak.
That's 16 players some of whom will be out of contract but most of whom have been absolutely dog shit all season so if we did manage to shift that lot it would be a bloody miracle!
No idea who we would be able to bring in but Charlie Adam seems a good shout and Ross McCormack at Fulham seems to be scoring goals for fun in a piss poor Fulham side - he would not be cheap though
Provided they grow a collective pair, Amavi and Grealish should combine well on the left next season.
Time and again yesterday, Grealish drew two defenders to him playing Cissokho in down the left where the chances were wasted.
Amavi in that position should be able to create plenty of goals.
new keeper for sure, leader at centre half to organise defence, new right back, new captain in midfield, new striker,
looks like we will be competing with the two if not three clubs in the north east for players
id sell Gana to be honest, a fair weather player not one for a scrap and not a character we need next season
They've done us over a couple of times with centre halves (Curtis Davies and Lescott), but I wonder how much mileage Jonas Olsson has left in him. By all accounts he will be leaving Albion at the end of the season and if he has anything left, he might not be a bad signing for the Championship. Leader, nasty side to him - just what we need. Have to bad careful though, and we don't need another Lescott.
And while we're on the subject of those idiots, James Morrison would be a very good signing as well.
Olsson and Morrison would be good shouts for sure, Morrison will surely get top division offers though
I think Jedinak at Palace would be a decent asset. Put a player like that next to Westwood and the latter might look salvageable.
I think Jedinak at Palace would be a decent asset. Put a player like that next to Westwood and the latter might look salvageable.
Jedinak is crap. And I like Westwood. I think he'll be fine next season.
Provided they grow a collective pair, Amavi and Grealish should combine well on the left next season.
Time and again yesterday, Grealish drew two defenders to him playing Cissokho in down the left where the chances were wasted.
Amavi in that position should be able to create plenty of goals.
new keeper for sure, leader at centre half to organise defence, new right back, new captain in midfield, new striker,
looks like we will be competing with the two if not three clubs in the north east for players
id sell Gana to be honest, a fair weather player not one for a scrap and not a character we need next season
They've done us over a couple of times with centre halves (Curtis Davies and Lescott), but I wonder how much mileage Jonas Olsson has left in him. By all accounts he will be leaving Albion at the end of the season and if he has anything left, he might not be a bad signing for the Championship. Leader, nasty side to him - just what we need. Have to bad careful though, and we don't need another Lescott.
And while we're on the subject of those idiots, James Morrison would be a very good signing as well.
Olsson and Morrison would be good shouts for sure, Morrison will surely get top division offers though
It would really depend on how much he has got left in the tank. We really don't need another Lescott, but if he has got a season or two he could be exactly the type of defender we need.
But that's the thing, they don't need to be nasty f##kers, just competent.I'd add winners to that. Players that care and don't like losing.
The best midfields we've turned out in recent years have been Petrov and Barry followed by Petrov and Milner.
Not so much nasty bastards, just good footballers. The rest of it is macho bollocks.
But that's the thing, they don't need to be nasty f##kers, just competent.I'd add winners to that. Players that care and don't like losing.
The best midfields we've turned out in recent years have been Petrov and Barry followed by Petrov and Milner.
Not so much nasty bastards, just good footballers. The rest of it is macho bollocks.
But that's the thing, they don't need to be nasty f##kers, just competent.
The best midfields we've turned out in recent years have been Petrov and Barry followed by Petrov and Milner.
Not so much nasty bastards, just good footballers. The rest of it is macho bollocks.
This is just a little thing, but I think it would help if Villa had a decent and long-standing theme to come out to, one that suggests you're at Villa Park and you're going to know about it. I mean, they used to use the Black Eyed Peas. Whenever I heard it my heart sank; it was like, "hey, it's a big party here! Have three points." The closest they came in the last decade was Paranoid.I could never understand why they used Paranoid
You don't have to be nasty by any means, but you do need to have some inner steel and some phlegm about you. One huge difference between Barca and, say, Arsenal is that if you kick Arsenal they wilt like sad flowers, whereas Barca will just keep going and don't get intimidated (they might chest and whine and roll around, buy that's another matter). Iniesta and Xavi might not dish it out, but they can take it.
Obviously in England you'll need more of that steel than you will in Spain, doubly so in the Championship. Players like Westwood and Bacuna are too mentally feeble for the division we're going into, I fear - we'll need a bit more testicular fortitude to do well down there than we have now.
You don't have to be nasty by any means, but you do need to have some inner steel and some phlegm about you. One huge difference between Barca and, say, Arsenal is that if you kick Arsenal they wilt like sad flowers, whereas Barca will just keep going and don't get intimidated (they might chest and whine and roll around, buy that's another matter). Iniesta and Xavi might not dish it out, but they can take it.
Obviously in England you'll need more of that steel than you will in Spain, doubly so in the Championship. Players like Westwood and Bacuna are too mentally feeble for the division we're going into, I fear - we'll need a bit more testicular fortitude to do well down there than we have now.
This is just a little thing, but I think it would help if Villa had a decent and long-standing theme to come out to, one that suggests you're at Villa Park and you're going to know about it. I mean, they used to use the Black Eyed Peas. Whenever I heard it my heart sank; it was like, "hey, it's a big party here! Have three points." The closest they came in the last decade was Paranoid.I could never understand why they used Paranoid
I would take Robson Kanu on a free from Reading this summer.
I would take Robson Kanu on a free from Reading this summer.
I would be gutted to see Greene go.
I would be gutted to see Greene go. The one thing about next season for me is seeing some of the young players in the side and enjoying watching their enthusiasm.Well, it's up to the club to make next season attractive to players that we hope will stay.
I would take Robson Kanu on a free from Reading this summer.
I've always quite liked him, very busy player, the type we might need.
I would be gutted to see Greene go.
Clarke will be the next one
I wonder if any club has fielded a full team of players whose name begins with the same letter? Barnstoneworth came close but they had a head start with three brothers in the team. Next season we could have Guzan, Grealish, Green, Gana, Gueye (I know, I know) Gestede, Gary Gardner and Gabby. Must be plenty of Gees on the market. On your bike then Paddy Reilly.
Haggerty F., Haggerty. R., Tomkins, Noble, Carrick, Dobson, Crapper, Dewhurst, MacIntyre, Treadmore, Davitt.Sounds like the new fire crew at Trumpton
I wonder if any club has fielded a full team of players whose name begins with the same letter? Barnstoneworth came close but they had a head start with three brothers in the team. Next season we could have Guzan, Grealish, Green, Gana, Gueye (I know, I know) Gestede, Gary Gardner and Gabby. Must be plenty of Gees on the market. On your bike then Paddy Reilly.
Bradley Dack from some first division club I forget the name of, looks a good little creative player, sell Gil.
Bradley Dack from some first division club I forget the name of, looks a good little creative player, sell Gil.
He plays for Gillingham and is more of a "number ten" type player. I really think we will need some pace in the final third next season and would like to see a quick striker with good movement.
Was talking with a few Villa supporting colleagues at work today and the general consensus was that if we can keep the few decent performers this season (Gana, Ayew) and build around them then we should have a good chance. The worry is that the French contingent will leave en masses and we will be left with the dregs. I mean can you imagine a side like the one below:
Bunn
Hutton Okore Clark Cissokho
Westwood Sanchez
Gil Grealish Sinclair
Gestede
First thing first gotta be, has to be a goaly. Rebuild the spine so I think I'd go for Chris Kirkland now at PNE, If they was scoring more they'd be up there challenging.
Hes also out of contract in the summer, I believe, so that edges me to him also
Bunn
Hutton Okore Clark Cissokho
Westwood Sanchez
Gil Grealish Sinclair
Gestede
I wouldnt turn up to watch this lot
Gayle has signed a long term deal at place so we won't get him.Sorry, but he would never come to us. He would have at one time, but not now
Anyone tempted of we could give Defoe on last pay day alongside Gestede?
First thing first gotta be, has to be a goaly. Rebuild the spine so I think I'd go for Chris Kirkland now at PNE, If they was scoring more they'd be up there challenging.
Hes also out of contract in the summer, I believe, so that edges me to him also
Not so sure Sherlock. A decent centre forward would be my priority. Give everyone a lift.
I see Carrick is out of contract at Old Trafford in the summer. He's 34 so no spring chicken but I reckon he's the type to get in on a decent wage and rebuild the team round him.
A lot of you will say he's not going to come to a newly relegated club, but if you don't ask you don't get.
Gayle has signed a long term deal at place so we won't get him.
Anyone tempted of we could give Defoe on last pay day alongside Gestede?
I see Carrick is out of contract at Old Trafford in the summer. He's 34 so no spring chicken but I reckon he's the type to get in on a decent wage and rebuild the team round him.
A lot of you will say he's not going to come to a newly relegated club, but if you don't ask you don't get.
In the right circumstances we need 1-2 this summer. The above were all injury prone and/or well past it. Carrick I think has a couple of good years in him. Gareth Barry would be a great signing if he became surplus at Everton and could be tempted to come back to us. We do need experience but it has to be from players who can still perform too. In the Nolan mould as Newcastle and West Ham did when coming up.I see Carrick is out of contract at Old Trafford in the summer. He's 34 so no spring chicken but I reckon he's the type to get in on a decent wage and rebuild the team round him.
A lot of you will say he's not going to come to a newly relegated club, but if you don't ask you don't get.
nothing against carrick but the last thing we need is more short termism and players coming to the end of their careers
please see cole, lescott, senderos and richardson
Carrick, Charlie Adam. Two good shouts.I'm not sure on Adam. He's never struck me as a model pro in terms of fitness (and perhaps workrate) and seems to get injured a lot. He can't run at all.
I see Carrick is out of contract at Old Trafford in the summer. He's 34 so no spring chicken but I reckon he's the type to get in on a decent wage and rebuild the team round him.
A lot of you will say he's not going to come to a newly relegated club, but if you don't ask you don't get.
nothing against carrick but the last thing we need is more short termism and players coming to the end of their careers
please see cole, lescott, senderos and richardson
In the right circumstances we need 1-2 this summer. The above were all injury prone and/or well past it. Carrick I think has a couple of good years in him. Gareth Barry would be a great signing if he became surplus at Everton and could be tempted to come back to us. We do need experience but it has to be from players who can still perform too. In the Nolan mould as Newcastle and West Ham did when coming up.I see Carrick is out of contract at Old Trafford in the summer. He's 34 so no spring chicken but I reckon he's the type to get in on a decent wage and rebuild the team round him.
A lot of you will say he's not going to come to a newly relegated club, but if you don't ask you don't get.
nothing against carrick but the last thing we need is more short termism and players coming to the end of their careers
please see cole, lescott, senderos and richardson
This is what I mean. All our older heads need to go, so we'd still need to sign a couple of decent pros to help what is likely to be a very young squad next season. I think all our 30+ players need to go as indeed do Richards, Sinclair and Gabby.In the right circumstances we need 1-2 this summer. The above were all injury prone and/or well past it. Carrick I think has a couple of good years in him. Gareth Barry would be a great signing if he became surplus at Everton and could be tempted to come back to us. We do need experience but it has to be from players who can still perform too. In the Nolan mould as Newcastle and West Ham did when coming up.I see Carrick is out of contract at Old Trafford in the summer. He's 34 so no spring chicken but I reckon he's the type to get in on a decent wage and rebuild the team round him.
A lot of you will say he's not going to come to a newly relegated club, but if you don't ask you don't get.
nothing against carrick but the last thing we need is more short termism and players coming to the end of their careers
please see cole, lescott, senderos and richardson
There's enough experience in the squad. What we're lacking is leadership, professionalism and desire. Those things should all come under the same umbrella but sadly, as we've seen, they don't.
I see Carrick is out of contract at Old Trafford in the summer. He's 34 so no spring chicken but I reckon he's the type to get in on a decent wage and rebuild the team round him.Not a chance we'd pay his wage demands .
A lot of you will say he's not going to come to a newly relegated club, but if you don't ask you don't get.
if Martinez gets the boot at Everton, there may be a chance of going in for Barry and who knows he may want to finish his career getting us back up. We certainly need someone like him pulling the strings.
Why would Callum Wilson a player who has just missed pretty much a full season in the PL leave Bournemouth? And why would Ulloa substitute a night possibly at the Camp Nou, Bernabeu or The Allianz for a night at the Sty, Oakwell or Portman Road?
Why would Callum Wilson a player who has just missed pretty much a full season in the PL leave Bournemouth? And why would Ulloa substitute a night possibly at the Camp Nou, Bernabeu or The Allianz for a night at the Sty, Oakwell or Portman Road?
Why not? These are the sort of players we need to go after.
They might like to be part of the big revival of a bigger club instead of playing second fiddle at a smaller, albeit Premier League, one.
The Sun has got is interested in Gary O'Neil from Norwich. Not quite sure how we can be interested in anyone when we haven't got a manager, but there you go.He's well past it. I also can't fathom how he's still in the Premier League. I don't think he'd even stand out much in the Championship any more. Saying that at least he'd work hard.
Charlie Adam.
The players we need to go after are ones that are the best players in the championship.
Yep! Even though he's looked awful this year, he's proven at this level, as long as we are set up correctly for him.The players we need to go after are ones that are the best players in the championship.
like rudy gestede?
There's some really fanciful names popping up. Players like Adam, Wilson, Ulloa, Barry will all get offers from clubs in the premier league, should they wish to leave. We'll really struggle to get anybody who can get a squad place in the prem.
Yep! Even though he's looked awful this year, he's proven at this level, as long as we are set up correctly for him.The players we need to go after are ones that are the best players in the championship.
like rudy gestede?
Gestede looks like a one season wonder to me. I haven't seen anything in his game that makes me think we could build a decent team around him with him as the figure head.We shall find out in a few months
Last summer, when we were a premier league team looking to push up the table, Gestede was a poor buy. However, if last summer we were just relegated, he's exactly the sort you want for that level, which is why I mentioned Ross McCormack in the rest of my post, which you've helpfully edited out.The players we need to go after are ones that are the best players in the championship.
like rudy gestede?
Last summer, when we were a premier league team looking to push up the table, Gestede was a poor buy. However, if last summer we were just relegated, he's exactly the sort you want for that level, which is why I mentioned Ross McCormack in the rest of my post, which you've helpfully edited out.The players we need to go after are ones that are the best players in the championship.
like rudy gestede?
McCormack's 29 too, which I'm sure will put us off at that price. Zac Clough at Bolton has been mentioned a few times and he looks to be a player of a similar mold, albeit it younger and cheaper.Both much more realistic than the likes of Charlie adam and Ulloa, which is my main point. Didn't know how old McCormack was. He scores goals though.
If we're looking to go shopping at Fulham, we should be going for Dembele in my opinion.
In fairness to Gestede he scored a lot of goals in two seasons for Blackburn. Get in 1-2 half reasonable wingers, and there are plenty available who will do fairly well in the Champ, and actually give the guy some supply, and he'll bang them in. Gestede may be ungainly and not very good with a ball at his feet but we've really not helped him at all. Not playing with at least one winger, and having full-backs who can't cross a ball has absolutely killed him.Gestede looks like a one season wonder to me. I haven't seen anything in his game that makes me think we could build a decent team around him with him as the figure head.We shall find out in a few months
The best midfielder in the championship this season based on stats and reviews is Alan Judge of Brentford, we have been linked.Didn't he break his leg at the weekend?
The best midfielder in the championship this season based on stats and reviews is Alan Judge of Brentford, we have been linked.Didn't he break his leg at the weekend?
In fairness to Gestede he scored a lot of goals in two seasons for Blackburn. Get in 1-2 half reasonable wingers, and there are plenty available who will do fairly well in the Champ, and actually give the guy some supply, and he'll bang them in. Gestede may be ungainly and not very good with a ball at his feet but we've really not helped him at all. Not playing with at least one winger, and having full-backs who can't cross a ball has absolutely killed him.Gestede looks like a one season wonder to me. I haven't seen anything in his game that makes me think we could build a decent team around him with him as the figure head.We shall find out in a few months
For what it's worth I quite like Rudy. He tries. He's shit in every aspect bar heading the ball, but he tries. He's worth keeping and he's also a player who I think would be happy to stay. But for the love of God we need a manager who has more than 2 brain cells and will actually play to his strengths.
Andy Carroll isn't brilliant on the ball (granted he's Dennis Bergkamp in comparison to Rudy) but what West Ham did at the weekend was pelt in cross after cross from their decent full-backs and wide men. They played to his main strength and he murdered Arsenal's backline.
McCormack's 29 too, which I'm sure will put us off at that price. Zac Clough at Bolton has been mentioned a few times and he looks to be a player of a similar mold, albeit it younger and cheaper.
If we're looking to go shopping at Fulham, we should be going for Dembele in my opinion.
I wud get Baker back as beards R in and I wud by any players with bushy beards from enywere as long as they dont ware gluvs.This for me should be our recruitment strategy. Flabby with an ostrich his arse might do the trick
I wud get Peersun an all too put an oastreach up there arse.
McCormack's 29 too, which I'm sure will put us off at that price. Zac Clough at Bolton has been mentioned a few times and he looks to be a player of a similar mold, albeit it younger and cheaper.
If we're looking to go shopping at Fulham, we should be going for Dembele in my opinion.
Already sold to Spurs and loaned back, I think? Good player though.
McCormack's 29 too, which I'm sure will put us off at that price. Zac Clough at Bolton has been mentioned a few times and he looks to be a player of a similar mold, albeit it younger and cheaper.
If we're looking to go shopping at Fulham, we should be going for Dembele in my opinion.
Already sold to Spurs and loaned back, I think? Good player though.
Was mooted in January but didn't happen I think.
But it does suggest that when he does move it'll be to dine at a fancier table than ours.
Gestede looks like a one season wonder to me. I haven't seen anything in his game that makes me think we could build a decent team around him with him as the figure head.
Won't need a new defensive midfielder if Gardner plays for us like he has for Forest tonight. Just gone off injured though 🙄
McCormack's 29 too, which I'm sure will put us off at that price. Zac Clough at Bolton has been mentioned a few times and he looks to be a player of a similar mold, albeit it younger and cheaper.Both much more realistic than the likes of Charlie adam and Ulloa, which is my main point. Didn't know how old McCormack was. He scores goals though.
If we're looking to go shopping at Fulham, we should be going for Dembele in my opinion.
Gestede was claimed by Sherwood who trumpeted the fact that he'd been watching him for 5 seasons.Gestede looks like a one season wonder to me. I haven't seen anything in his game that makes me think we could build a decent team around him with him as the figure head.
I'd like to know who watched him play & thought he could make it in the Premier League...
Gestede was claimed by Sherwood who trumpeted the fact that he'd been watching him for 5 seasons.Gestede looks like a one season wonder to me. I haven't seen anything in his game that makes me think we could build a decent team around him with him as the figure head.
I'd like to know who watched him play & thought he could make it in the Premier League...
Gestede looks like a one season wonder to me. I haven't seen anything in his game that makes me think we could build a decent team around him with him as the figure head.
I'd like to know who watched him play & thought he could make it in the Premier League, especially in a team without wingers or anyone who can deliver a decent set piece.
We'll need a better, more mobile option next season if we are to get close to the top 6.
Gestede was claimed by Sherwood who trumpeted the fact that he'd been watching him for 5 seasons.Gestede looks like a one season wonder to me. I haven't seen anything in his game that makes me think we could build a decent team around him with him as the figure head.
I'd like to know who watched him play & thought he could make it in the Premier League...
I don't know about that.Gestede was claimed by Sherwood who trumpeted the fact that he'd been watching him for 5 seasons.Gestede looks like a one season wonder to me. I haven't seen anything in his game that makes me think we could build a decent team around him with him as the figure head.
I'd like to know who watched him play & thought he could make it in the Premier League...
Tactics takes a fair amount of stick, not all of it justified.
But if he genuinely watched Gestede for five years and STILL signed him he shouldn't be let anywhere near another football club.
Saw that Alan Judge at Brentford - who I would think quite a few teams are looking at - broke his leg in two places on Saturday.
He would actually join us if we paid enough money for him as we'd be a better option for him. In that respect he's much more realistic. We are going to find out very soon that players who are cheap and would normally be good signings won't come near us with a shitty stick.McCormack's 29 too, which I'm sure will put us off at that price. Zac Clough at Bolton has been mentioned a few times and he looks to be a player of a similar mold, albeit it younger and cheaper.Both much more realistic than the likes of Charlie adam and Ulloa, which is my main point. Didn't know how old McCormack was. He scores goals though.
If we're looking to go shopping at Fulham, we should be going for Dembele in my opinion.
How is McCormack realistic, Fulham paid about 12m for him!
so Ross Mac would because he's a mercenary money grabbing cocksocket? if that's the argument, thanks but no thanks. If it isn't apologies.completely misunderstood what I was saying
Cyrus Christie, Derby right back?
Cyrus Christie, Derby right back?
Yeh bought him on FIFA 16, very quick, dives in a lot.
McCormack's 29 too, which I'm sure will put us off at that price. Zac Clough at Bolton has been mentioned a few times and he looks to be a player of a similar mold, albeit it younger and cheaper.
If we're looking to go shopping at Fulham, we should be going for Dembele in my opinion.
Already sold to Spurs and loaned back, I think? Good player though.
I'd try and get Jack Byrne on loan for a year. He looks very promising.
I'd try and get Jack Byrne on loan for a year. He looks very promising.
After Man U have thrown another £100m on strikers we should ask to borrow Rashford for a season. If he ends up as 4th choice striker it might be viewed that he will develop better from a season long loan. Get promoted and he can stay for another season. Too ambitious?
I'd try and get Jack Byrne on loan for a year. He looks very promising.
After Man U have thrown another £100m on strikers we should ask to borrow Rashford for a season. If he ends up as 4th choice striker it might be viewed that he will develop better from a season long loan. Get promoted and he can stay for another season. Too ambitious?
No, not too ambitious, I just don't think he'd get in to the buffet ahead of Gabby.
I'd never heard of him until Wednesday when a colleague was telling me about her friends nephew who plays for Derby. All I know about him is that he bought a house either for his aunty or his mum, I lost track.Cyrus Christie, Derby right back?
Yeh bought him on FIFA 16, very quick, dives in a lot.
I see Olsson and MacAuley signed new deals at Albion but not news of Morrison yet? He is one I would take on a free if he was available this summer, would add something to our midfield when the inevitable departures happen.
I would also like to see us go and get Bamford on loan early in the summer. Proven in the Championship and I reckon would do well with Gestede in a 4-4-2.
You have the neck to suggest bringing in a cou?worling in mini iPads on this site is not easy with big fingers!
You have the neck to suggest bringing in a cou?worling in mini iPads on this site is not easy with big fingers!
I see Olsson and MacAuley signed new deals at Albion but not news of Morrison yet? He is one I would take on a free if he was available this summer, would add something to our midfield when the inevitable departures happen.
I would also like to see us go and get Bamford on loan early in the summer. Proven in the Championship and I reckon would do well with Gestede in a 4-4-2.
Bradley Dack from some first division club I forget the name of, looks a good little creative player, sell Gil..
We need to thoroughly use and abuse the loan system next season.
I'll warm the car up... :-)
I'll carry him there.
I can point him the way.
I'll stump up the bus fare.
Burnley in for Westwood according to the Daily Mail.
First person to post 'I'll drive him there myself' gets a prize.
Burnley in for Westwood according to the Daily Mail.
First person to post 'I'll drive him there myself' gets a prize.
He may be better suited in the championship but what happens when we get promoted next season?sell him then if the manager doesn't want to work with him.
He may be better suited in the championship but what happens when we get promoted next season?Sounds like that could be Dyche's problem.
I'd also keep Westwood. Buy Myhill. Maybe Judge also as his price would plummet and he'd be back by Christmas. Get Dann from Palace if we can persuade him and/ or Turner from Hull. Barton if Burnley are selling and bid for Redmond from Norwich. McCormack from Fulham and Pearson to fill in the gaps from his extensive scouting network.
You've just spent £40m+ there and possibly convinced 4 Premier league players to join a basket case championship club. It aint gonna happen.
You've just spent £40m+ there and possibly convinced 4 Premier league players to join a basket case championship club. It aint gonna happen.
Me or Peter?
Clough is available for a reasonable contract clause I believe, Crouch would cost pennies as would Jaaskelainen. Cook 4-5 million plus add-ons, Phillips would be the expensive one of that lot.
What's wrong with Steer? he's just spent best part of 2 years in the championship? As far as I am aware he's done prety well
Does nobody think Westwood could well be a useful player next year? We're not going to sign 20 new players, so we're going to have to make use of some of the current squad. I think he may be able to do a job at that level with some fresh blood around him.
Does nobody think Westwood could well be a useful player next year? We're not going to sign 20 new players, so we're going to have to make use of some of the current squad. I think he may be able to do a job at that level with some fresh blood around him.
I'd be tempted to give Jed Steer a chance as first choice goalie and maybe bring in someone experienced as back-up in case he can't hack it. Maybe Jaaskelainen or someone like that.
Town fans are keen for Steer to be signed permanently. He's become highly rated up here.
Amavi wants out apparently
http://www.getfootballnewsfrance.com/2016/exclusive-aston-villa-jordan-amavi-future-talks-underway/
Amavi wants out apparently
http://www.getfootballnewsfrance.com/2016/exclusive-aston-villa-jordan-amavi-future-talks-underway/
If that's true that's pretty shoddy of him.
Amavi wants out apparently
http://www.getfootballnewsfrance.com/2016/exclusive-aston-villa-jordan-amavi-future-talks-underway/
If that's true that's pretty shoddy of him.
Amavi wants out apparently
http://www.getfootballnewsfrance.com/2016/exclusive-aston-villa-jordan-amavi-future-talks-underway/
Amavi wants out apparently
http://www.getfootballnewsfrance.com/2016/exclusive-aston-villa-jordan-amavi-future-talks-underway/
How did you get Amavi wants out from that article?
It is our understanding that the player’s representatives will ask Aston Villa during these talks to not stand in Jordan Amavi’s way should a presentable offer be made for their left-back’s services this summer.
Agree the points above, Amavi has been a massive loss for us so got to hope that no team wants to take a punt with him, as I should think a bid of £12+ mill would get him
Vital player in many ways for us
Amavi wants out apparently
http://www.getfootballnewsfrance.com/2016/exclusive-aston-villa-jordan-amavi-future-talks-underway/
How did you get Amavi wants out from that article?
I don't really give a shit either way, but surely this paragraph could be a hint?QuoteIt is our understanding that the player’s representatives will ask Aston Villa during these talks to not stand in Jordan Amavi’s way should a presentable offer be made for their left-back’s services this summer.
Agree the points above, Amavi has been a massive loss for us so got to hope that no team wants to take a punt with him, as I should think a bid of £12+ mill would get him
Vital player in many ways for us
To be honest, I would snap someone's hand off if they offered £12m+ for him. As decent as he looked going forward, he looked very suspect defensively, so if an offer like that came in for him, I wouldn't stand in his way.
Amavi wants out apparently
http://www.getfootballnewsfrance.com/2016/exclusive-aston-villa-jordan-amavi-future-talks-underway/
How did you get Amavi wants out from that article?
I don't really give a shit either way, but surely this paragraph could be a hint?QuoteIt is our understanding that the player’s representatives will ask Aston Villa during these talks to not stand in Jordan Amavi’s way should a presentable offer be made for their left-back’s services this summer.
Agree the points above, Amavi has been a massive loss for us so got to hope that no team wants to take a punt with him, as I should think a bid of £12+ mill would get him
Vital player in many ways for us
To be honest, I would snap someone's hand off if they offered £12m+ for him. As decent as he looked going forward, he looked very suspect defensively, so if an offer like that came in for him, I wouldn't stand in his way.
Gareth Barry
Charlie Adam
Joey Barton
Petrov?
I really think we need to have an old head in the middle of the park who can lead a good blend of youth around them
If Boro do not come up then I would go for Jordan Rhodes as well - perfect partner for Gestede
Gareth Barry
Charlie Adam
Joey Barton
Petrov?
I really think we need to have an old head in the middle of the park who can lead a good blend of youth around them
If Boro do not come up then I would go for Jordan Rhodes as well - perfect partner for Gestede
I'm not a big Adam fan but he'd be very good in the championship and his inability to run wouldn't stand out as much as in the top flight. That said, I'd rather bring the Scottish Messi back.Gareth Barry
Charlie Adam
Joey Barton
Petrov?
I really think we need to have an old head in the middle of the park who can lead a good blend of youth around them
If Boro do not come up then I would go for Jordan Rhodes as well - perfect partner for Gestede
I would take Adam in a heartbeat and I would make him captain. Would be a good foil for Gana if we can keep him and is a good set piece taker, something we've been missing for years.
Barton is useful for a season in the championship. He'd have been very little help to us this season though. I'd also guess he'd have only added to the fractious nature of the squad and would have firmly been "one of the lads" with Gabby, Lescott and Richards.
Barton is useful for a season in the championship. He'd have been very little help to us this season though. I'd also guess he'd have only added to the fractious nature of the squad and would have firmly been "one of the lads" with Gabby, Lescott and Richards.
I am not sure he would. I think he is a bit too bright for that.
Gareth Barry
Charlie Adam
Joey Barton
Petrov?
I really think we need to have an old head in the middle of the park who can lead a good blend of youth around them
If Boro do not come up then I would go for Jordan Rhodes as well - perfect partner for Gestede
I would take Adam in a heartbeat and I would make him captain. Would be a good foil for Gana if we can keep him and is a good set piece taker, something we've been missing for years.
I saw Charlie Adam come on for Stoke the other day and he was awful. He seems to have spent the time since he left Liverpool munching on pies.
I'd take Leon Osman on a free. Decent player. Works hard and still has a couple of good years in him.
Osman has been the experienced head I had in mind too. Barry plays every week, so I wish people would forget him. He has never had any pace, barely had an injury in his career and is still at the top of his game. He could well play at the highest level until he is 37 or 38 so he's out of the question.The only way is if Martinez's replacement wants to rejuvinate their midfield. Downing went back to Boro having just had one of his career best seasons for West Ham. Maybe I'm romanticising it, but I'd like to think if Barry moves and has us as one of several options he'd come back.
Boaz Myhill as Gk
Defender - Martin Kelly palace , Bardsley and Hangelund stoke.
Midfielders- Charlie Adam, forest Lansbury , Everton Osman and Gibson. Jedinak at palace. Andy king at Leicester.
Strikers- big Chris Martin , Rickie Lambert , Jon Walters. Then someone like Frazier Campbell or Martin emnes.
Bring in some of these experienced 100% players think decent off top of head.
I'd take Leon Osman on a free. Decent player. Works hard and still has a couple of good years in him.That is a very good call.
Boaz Myhill as GkWe need to be careful of filing our squad with workmanlike older players, particularly if they want top wages for dropping a division. We could end up with all the problems we were saddled with when MON left.
Defender - Martin Kelly palace , Bardsley and Hangelund stoke.
Midfielders- Charlie Adam, forest Lansbury , Everton Osman and Gibson. Jedinak at palace. Andy king at Leicester.
Strikers- big Chris Martin , Rickie Lambert , Jon Walters. Then someone like Frazier Campbell or Martin emnes.
Bring in some of these experienced 100% players think decent off top of head.
Boaz Myhill as GkWe need to be careful of filing our squad with workmanlike older players, particularly if they want top wages for dropping a division. We could end up with all the problems we were saddled with when MON left.
Defender - Martin Kelly palace , Bardsley and Hangelund stoke.
Midfielders- Charlie Adam, forest Lansbury , Everton Osman and Gibson. Jedinak at palace. Andy king at Leicester.
Strikers- big Chris Martin , Rickie Lambert , Jon Walters. Then someone like Frazier Campbell or Martin emnes.
Bring in some of these experienced 100% players think decent off top of head.
Boaz Myhill as Gk
Defender - Martin Kelly palace , Bardsley and Hangelund stoke.
Midfielders- Charlie Adam, forest Lansbury , Everton Osman and Gibson. Jedinak at palace. Andy king at Leicester.
Strikers- big Chris Martin , Rickie Lambert , Jon Walters. Then someone like Frazier Campbell or Martin emnes.
Bring in some of these experienced 100% players think decent off top of head.
I would say 3-4 is about right. Then a further 3-4 players who are younger but have what it takes in the Championship. Alan Judge and players like that. Gardner could well be a key player for us now.Boaz Myhill as Gk
Defender - Martin Kelly palace , Bardsley and Hangelund stoke.
Midfielders- Charlie Adam, forest Lansbury , Everton Osman and Gibson. Jedinak at palace. Andy king at Leicester.
Strikers- big Chris Martin , Rickie Lambert , Jon Walters. Then someone like Frazier Campbell or Martin emnes.
Bring in some of these experienced 100% players think decent off top of head.
That's a lot of old players. I agree an element of experience is needed, but we don't want to make our squad massively top heavy.
Boaz Myhill as Gk
Defender - Martin Kelly palace , Bardsley and Hangelund stoke.
Midfielders- Charlie Adam, forest Lansbury , Everton Osman and Gibson. Jedinak at palace. Andy king at Leicester.
Strikers- big Chris Martin , Rickie Lambert , Jon Walters. Then someone like Frazier Campbell or Martin emnes.
Bring in some of these experienced 100% players think decent off top of head.
That's a lot of old players. I agree an element of experience is needed, but we don't want to make our squad massively top heavy.
I would say 3-4 is about right. Then a further 3-4 players who are younger but have what it takes in the Championship. Alan Judge and players like that. Gardner could well be a key player for us now.Boaz Myhill as Gk
Defender - Martin Kelly palace , Bardsley and Hangelund stoke.
Midfielders- Charlie Adam, forest Lansbury , Everton Osman and Gibson. Jedinak at palace. Andy king at Leicester.
Strikers- big Chris Martin , Rickie Lambert , Jon Walters. Then someone like Frazier Campbell or Martin emnes.
Bring in some of these experienced 100% players think decent off top of head.
That's a lot of old players. I agree an element of experience is needed, but we don't want to make our squad massively top heavy.
Every single experienced older head we have, has to go. Richards, Gabby and Lescott have awful attitudes.
The key thing about any experienced players we sign will be attitude and the ability to still perform week in, week out. We don't want a Senderos, injured every week and we don't want someone coming in just for the pay check (Richards, Lescott).
If they are right it would be a damned good start.
If they are right it would be a damned good start.
Would be expensive though. I would rather we went for Wells from Huddersfield - 17 league goals in a struggling side.
Whittaker from Norwich is on a bosman i believe. Good solid full back chips in with a few goals also takes set pieces if I remember correctly.
Didn't we pay twelve for him?
Strikers- big Chris Martin , Rickie Lambert , Jon Walters. Then someone like Frazier Campbell or Martin emnes.
You're just like Martin Peters ,"10 years ahead of his time",- Sir Alf Ramsey
Strikers- big Chris Martin , Rickie Lambert , Jon Walters. Then someone like Frazier Campbell or Martin emnes.
Just a decade after I was advocating signing him from Bristol Rovers
Ross McCormack wont be at Dulham next season. He would be decent for us. Proven goalscorerBut could we afford him?
Somebody said on Twitter earlier that there will be a point where we will have to clear the slate for a fair number of our current squad. At the moment there are none of them that I would be devastated to lose, but once the new owner and therefore new manager is in place, if they feel certain players can take the club up again then they need a second chance.
Somebody said on Twitter earlier that there will be a point where we will have to clear the slate for a fair number of our current squad. At the moment there are none of them that I would be devastated to lose, but once the new owner and therefore new manager is in place, if they feel certain players can take the club up again then they need a second chance.
Somebody said on Twitter earlier that there will be a point where we will have to clear the slate for a fair number of our current squad. At the moment there are none of them that I would be devastated to lose, but once the new owner and therefore new manager is in place, if they feel certain players can take the club up again then they need a second chance.
The kid who looks like he could break through and be a major part of Man City's first team? Not going to happen.
NZog is out of contract come July, I think.Somebody said on Twitter earlier that there will be a point where we will have to clear the slate for a fair number of our current squad. At the moment there are none of them that I would be devastated to lose, but once the new owner and therefore new manager is in place, if they feel certain players can take the club up again then they need a second chance.
Gabby, Richards, Lescott, N'Zogbia don't need a second chance. They need to leave. If the potential new manager thinks otherwise, this is a very good indicator that they are not the right manager for us.
NZog is out of contract come July, I think.Somebody said on Twitter earlier that there will be a point where we will have to clear the slate for a fair number of our current squad. At the moment there are none of them that I would be devastated to lose, but once the new owner and therefore new manager is in place, if they feel certain players can take the club up again then they need a second chance.
Gabby, Richards, Lescott, N'Zogbia don't need a second chance. They need to leave. If the potential new manager thinks otherwise, this is a very good indicator that they are not the right manager for us.
The kid who looks like he could break through and be a major part of Man City's first team? Not going to happen.Definitely not. Far too good for the championship. He's had a fair wedge of game time this season and will get more next year. He'll be quite happy to stay and fight for his place. The last thing City need is to be buying more strikers. It's other areas they'll focus on.
Bacuna is just absolute shite and has to go. Gabby has to go too. Lescott and an absolute push may be useful. He can get away with his legs at Championship level. Dunney was rock solid for QPR at that level and he was in worse nick than Lescott is now...but the attitude needs adjusting for sure.Somebody said on Twitter earlier that there will be a point where we will have to clear the slate for a fair number of our current squad. At the moment there are none of them that I would be devastated to lose, but once the new owner and therefore new manager is in place, if they feel certain players can take the club up again then they need a second chance.
That's my fear.
A Pearson or similar coming in and asking Gabby, Bacuna and Lescott to 'prove themselves.' (sigh)
We've got more left footed centre backs than we know what to do with - Lescott, Clark, Baker and Toner. How has Baker been doing in his loan spell? Whilst we need to give ourselves the best chance of getting promoted, it's also a chance to promote the good young players we have coming through who otherwise might have been shipped out on loan. Then the other gaps need to be filled by experienced pro's with the right attitude. I hope it's true that Petrov's fitness levels are back to where they were because that would be a big step on the latter.Baker would be fine at that level, but of course it's always been his injury record which is the biggest problem. With a bit of good management Clark is still okay. A decent right footed CH needs to be signed.
Gary Gardener has not been as impressive during this stint according to most Forest fans.
We've got more left footed centre backs than we know what to do with - Lescott, Clark, Baker and Toner. How has Baker been doing in his loan spell? Whilst we need to give ourselves the best chance of getting promoted, it's also a chance to promote the good young players we have coming through who otherwise might have been shipped out on loan. Then the other gaps need to be filled by experienced pro's with the right attitude. I hope it's true that Petrov's fitness levels are back to where they were because that would be a big step on the latter.Baker would be fine at that level, but of course it's always been his injury record which is the biggest problem. With a bit of good management Clark is still okay. A decent right footed CH needs to be signed.
Gardner could be key for us too. He stands out at Champ level.
Hooper signed a permanent deal with Sheffield Wednesday
Getting less than half for Amavi would be a disgrace.
Is that a fact, Ozz, or are you speculating?Getting less than half for Amavi would be a disgrace.
As would the person who negotiated the deal. Delph I could understand the mechanics from the club in letting him sign the deal from a business sense, but giving Amavi a deal that would allow him to leave for less than half his signing fee would be really really poor. Same money, fine. Or even a couple of million less with a large sell on fee percentage. Or loan to a premier league side for a season then he becomes ours again if we are promoted. All would suit.
Is that a fact, Ozz, or are you speculating?Getting less than half for Amavi would be a disgrace.
As would the person who negotiated the deal. Delph I could understand the mechanics from the club in letting him sign the deal from a business sense, but giving Amavi a deal that would allow him to leave for less than half his signing fee would be really really poor. Same money, fine. Or even a couple of million less with a large sell on fee percentage. Or loan to a premier league side for a season then he becomes ours again if we are promoted. All would suit.
I don't think Veretout would be a big loss. He's Ok. but that's about it. I can't quite work out what he's meant to be good at.
I think Gardner would have done a similar job this season. So might as well make money on Veretout and play Gardner.
Read in a paper today that Bournemouth are apparently interested in Veretout.
I don't think Veretout would be a big loss. He's Ok. but that's about it. I can't quite work out what he's meant to be good at.Mark my words...Gardner is not up to it
I think Gardner would have done a similar job this season. So might as well make money on Veretout and play Gardner.
I don't think Veretout would be a big loss. He's Ok. but that's about it. I can't quite work out what he's meant to be good at.
I think Gardner would have done a similar job this season. So might as well make money on Veretout and play Gardner.
Right manager I think he is a gem. But needs to be used right.
I don't think Veretout would be a big loss. He's Ok. but that's about it. I can't quite work out what he's meant to be good at.Mark my words...Gardner is not up to it
I think Gardner would have done a similar job this season. So might as well make money on Veretout and play Gardner.
No loss if Veretout or Gil leave imo.
Veretout has to stay. He is under contract and will develop into a very good player.
Veretout has to stay. He is under contract and will develop into a very good player.
Also agree.Veretout has to stay. He is under contract and will develop into a very good player.
Yep, I agree. I don't mind Gil leaving, he's a nice player to watch but he's too weak to be effective in English football.
Also agree.Veretout has to stay. He is under contract and will develop into a very good player.
Yep, I agree. I don't mind Gil leaving, he's a nice player to watch but he's too weak to be effective in English football.
Huh...last time you get an appleI don't think Veretout would be a big loss. He's Ok. but that's about it. I can't quite work out what he's meant to be good at.Mark my words...Gardner is not up to it
I think Gardner would have done a similar job this season. So might as well make money on Veretout and play Gardner.
Ok, then... D minus. Must Try Harder.
No loss if Veretout or Gil leave imo.
Agreed. Not a fan of either of them, and when Veretout was receiving praise on here earlier on in the season I was scratching my head wondering if they were watching the same Veretout I was watching.
Gil has always flattered to deceive.
I like Veretout but maybe he was at the wrong club at the wrong time, a bit like Remi.
It would be great to see him progress and fulfil his potential but I think he'll be off this summer.
No loss if Veretout or Gil leave imo.
Agreed. Not a fan of either of them, and when Veretout was receiving praise on here earlier on in the season I was scratching my head wondering if they were watching the same Veretout I was watching.
Gil has always flattered to deceive.
I like Gil , but his light weight, and will get kicked to shit in the championship.
No loss if Veretout or Gil leave imo.
Agreed. Not a fan of either of them, and when Veretout was receiving praise on here earlier on in the season I was scratching my head wondering if they were watching the same Veretout I was watching.
Gil has always flattered to deceive.
I like Gil , but his light weight, and will get kicked to shit in the championship.
He's a similar build to Adam Clayton, Alan Judge, Barry Bannan and Ross McCormack who have all just been named in the Championship Team of the Year.
Gil is nowhere near physical enough for the Championship. We'll need a team full of men, a sprinkling of quality & pace to have any chance in that league.
Our foreign players won't fancy it one bit & our experienced pros will think they're too good for that league.
For those who remember them, we got promoted in 1988 with the likes of Bernie Gallagher, Steve Sims & Mark Lillis playing most games. We also had Walters, Keown, McInally & Platt.
Gil is nowhere near physical enough for the Championship. We'll need a team full of men, a sprinkling of quality & pace to have any chance in that league.
Our foreign players won't fancy it one bit & our experienced pros will think they're too good for that league.
For those who remember them, we got promoted in 1988 with the likes of Bernie Gallagher, Steve Sims & Mark Lillis playing most games. We also had Walters, Keown, McInally & Platt.
Gil is nowhere near physical enough for the Championship. We'll need a team full of men, a sprinkling of quality & pace to have any chance in that league.
Our foreign players won't fancy it one bit & our experienced pros will think they're too good for that league.
For those who remember them, we got promoted in 1988 with the likes of Bernie Gallagher, Steve Sims & Mark Lillis playing most games. We also had Walters, Keown, McInally & Platt.
Do teams who win the Championship not have any foreign players then?
Gil is nowhere near physical enough for the Championship. We'll need a team full of men, a sprinkling of quality & pace to have any chance in that league.
Our foreign players won't fancy it one bit & our experienced pros will think they're too good for that league.
For those who remember them, we got promoted in 1988 with the likes of Bernie Gallagher, Steve Sims & Mark Lillis playing most games. We also had Walters, Keown, McInally & Platt.
Do teams who win the Championship not have any foreign players then?
Two things are already annoying me about next season, in terms of stuff posted on here.
1. This conviction that the way to respond to being in the Championship is to sell what quality we have and buy a load of championship level players. That's not how you get out of the Championship, that's how you stay in it. The way to get out is to keep as many of the players you already have who are good enough to win that league (and believe me, we really do have quite a few of those), not to start signing the sort of shit that plays for the likes of Leeds these days.
2. This utter bollocks about how we should be looking at the likes of Mick McCarthy or Neil Warnock as they "know" the Championship and are British. Like that's the only way you ever get out of that league.
It's almost as if lots of our fans have some sort of footballing Stockholm Syndrome going on where the way we react to being in the Championship is to start to act like we're going to be in it for ages rather than aiming at bouncing straight back, which is what we should be doing (no matter how shit we've been this year).
Two things are already annoying me about next season, in terms of stuff posted on here.So right.Our problem,however,will be retaining our better players.
1. This conviction that the way to respond to being in the Championship is to sell what quality we have and buy a load of championship level players. That's not how you get out of the Championship, that's how you stay in it. The way to get out is to keep as many of the players you already have who are good enough to win that league (and believe me, we really do have quite a few of those), not to start signing the sort of shit that plays for the likes of Leeds these days.
2. This utter bollocks about how we should be looking at the likes of Mick McCarthy or Neil Warnock as they "know" the Championship and are British. Like that's the only way you ever get out of that league
It's almost as if lots of our fans have some sort of footballing Stockholm Syndrome going on where the way we react to being in the Championship is to start to act like we're going to be in it for ages rather than aiming at bouncing straight back, which is what we should be doing (no matter how shit we've been this year).
The players we keep, and who will have our support, will be invaluable. Our next manager will have had loads of time to see who is going to make that cut.
Yep I agree, I hope he sticks around. It would be great to keep him, Ayew and Amavi.I like Veretout but maybe he was at the wrong club at the wrong time, a bit like Remi.
It would be great to see him progress and fulfil his potential but I think he'll be off this summer.
The Championship is the ideal place for Veretout to gain confidence and develop. He needs to play week in week out.
Two things are already annoying me about next season, in terms of stuff posted on here.
1. This conviction that the way to respond to being in the Championship is to sell what quality we have and buy a load of championship level players. That's not how you get out of the Championship, that's how you stay in it. The way to get out is to keep as many of the players you already have who are good enough to win that league (and believe me, we really do have quite a few of those), not to start signing the sort of shit that plays for the likes of Leeds these days.
2. This utter bollocks about how we should be looking at the likes of Mick McCarthy or Neil Warnock as they "know" the Championship and are British. Like that's the only way you ever get out of that league.
It's almost as if lots of our fans have some sort of footballing Stockholm Syndrome going on where the way we react to being in the Championship is to start to act like we're going to be in it for ages rather than aiming at bouncing straight back, which is what we should be doing (no matter how shit we've been this year).
I'd pay a hefty transfer fee for a genuinely world class defensive coach. I can't recall a more barren spell for our back line.
Two things are already annoying me about next season, in terms of stuff posted on here.
1. This conviction that the way to respond to being in the Championship is to sell what quality we have and buy a load of championship level players. That's not how you get out of the Championship, that's how you stay in it. The way to get out is to keep as many of the players you already have who are good enough to win that league (and believe me, we really do have quite a few of those), not to start signing the sort of shit that plays for the likes of Leeds these days.
2. This utter bollocks about how we should be looking at the likes of Mick McCarthy or Neil Warnock as they "know" the Championship and are British. Like that's the only way you ever get out of that league.
It's almost as if lots of our fans have some sort of footballing Stockholm Syndrome going on where the way we react to being in the Championship is to start to act like we're going to be in it for ages rather than aiming at bouncing straight back, which is what we should be doing (no matter how shit we've been this year).
for me our problems run much deeper than our players
what the fuck goes on at bodymoor heath all week?
gabby blatently overweight so what are the fitness coaches doing? add to that most of our players looking fucking every game, look at leicesters fitness levels they run their bollocks off every game and then do it again in the next
westwood being shit at corners but he takes them for 3 seasons
really basic stuff like bringing every player back to defend a corner giving us no out ball - that is under 11's stuff
none of our players seem to improve over time in fact they seem to regress
the whole of our backroom staff need to be fucked off before we can move forward
The scouting network need sorting too look at the players Leicester and Burnley have and the money spent etc.
maybe keep an eye on Scott Hogan ( think is his name) of Brentford. Their 'big money' signing a couple of season's ago who then had two long knee injuries (one knee then the other). He's apparently quick and has played 93 minutes in his comeback and so far scored 5 times.
for me our problems run much deeper than our players
what the fuck goes on at bodymoor heath all week?
gabby blatently overweight so what are the fitness coaches doing? add to that most of our players looking fucking every game, look at leicesters fitness levels they run their bollocks off every game and then do it again in the next
westwood being shit at corners but he takes them for 3 seasons
really basic stuff like bringing every player back to defend a corner giving us no out ball - that is under 11's stuff
none of our players seem to improve over time in fact they seem to regress
the whole of our backroom staff need to be fucked off before we can move forward
Agreed.
A number of (if not most) clubs offer pretty substantial fines now for players returning for pre season training overweight. I'd assume they aren't much less forgiving throughout the season.
We made our bloater club captain.
Agreed.
A number of (if not most) clubs offer pretty substantial fines now for players returning for pre season training overweight. I'd assume they aren't much less forgiving throughout the season.
We made our bloater club captain.
What Wilkins said about speaking to Gabby about his lack of fitness staggered me.
Essentially:
"You need to get yourself in shape"
"I'll do it my way"
"Oh, okay."
As opposed to what he / Sherwood should have said "get your fat lazy arse in the gym now or you're transfer listed and fined". Just how much power did Gabby have at the club?
If Amavi and Cissokho move on their left back must be worth a look too, Henry?
Will Hughes had a good game for Derby the other day apparently. What happened too him, there was massive hype a couple of seasons ago.
We could do worse than sign Rob Green in the summer. I think he'll be available on a free too by the sound of things (QPR not playing him because it would extend his contract). He sounds fired up to re-start his career too having been benched for months.
The scouting network need sorting too look at the players Leicester and Burnley have and the money spent etc.
I'm bored.
The majority of the squad go, Lerner hasn't sold and trousers all the cash we get from transfers and we dont spend to replace. Opening day line up, 4-2-3-1 formation
Steer
Lyden Donacien Baker Borg
Gardner Westwood
Greene Grealish Calder
Robinson
I'm bored.
The majority of the squad go, Lerner hasn't sold and trousers all the cash we get from transfers and we dont spend to replace. Opening day line up, 4-2-3-1 formation
Steer
Lyden Donacien Baker Borg
Gardner Westwood
Greene Grealish Calder
Robinson
That would be suicide.
I'm bored.Have a feeling Robinson is out of contract this summer? If not, I don't think he's rated anymore. I think we'll be more focused on giving players like Murphy, Green etc, games.
The majority of the squad go, Lerner hasn't sold and trousers all the cash we get from transfers and we dont spend to replace. Opening day line up, 4-2-3-1 formation
Steer
Lyden Donacien Baker Borg
Gardner Westwood
Greene Grealish Calder
Robinson
I'm bored.
The majority of the squad go, Lerner hasn't sold and trousers all the cash we get from transfers and we dont spend to replace. Opening day line up, 4-2-3-1 formation
Steer
Lyden Donacien Baker Borg
Gardner Westwood
Greene Grealish Calder
Robinson
That would be suicide.
Agreed, I wasn't suggesting it would be a good thing, just bored. I had already gone through my ten favourite albums and ten favourite UK holiday destinations. Now on ten favourite TV programmes.
ok here's mine in no particular order: Albums; Blonde on Blonde, Rust Never Sleeps, Highway 61 Revisited, Look Sharp!, The Beatles (White), Beggar's Banquet, Rumours, Revolver, Blood on the Tracks, Ragged Glory. UK Holiday Destinations ; Cadgwith, Coverack, Kylesku, Ullapool, Southwold, Wells-next-the sea, Lyme Regis, Fort William, Port Meirion, Bamburgh.
10 numbers:
14
8
27
47
77
65
236
3
6
1874
So Leicester will be holding their victory parade soon. Back on planet Lerner, Aston Villa are dawdling around, scratching their arse.
So Leicester will be holding their victory parade soon. Back on planet Lerner, Aston Villa are dawdling around, scratching their arse.
Yes, they've because they've just won the league and we can't sign any new players yet anyway.
Can you sit and scratch your arse?I do but never win!
I wonder if Nathan Dyer is worth going for. Probably still surplus at Swansea and Leicester unlikely to make his deal permanent. He may be able to get another Prem move, but I think he's one of those players who's average at Prem level (at best) but would be very good at Championship level. We need 1-2 wingers this summer and he'd certainly be good enough.
Can you sit and scratch your arse?
So Leicester will be holding their victory parade soon. Back on planet Lerner, Aston Villa are dawdling around, scratching their arse.
Yes, they've because they've just won the league and we can't sign any new players yet anyway.
Can we scout any? No. Why? Because we have no manager, so no idea what players he wants, no scouting system to speak of because they're at school/surfing delete as applicable, no long term decisions or appointments being made because we have no board and no one running things, unless you count the suit guy with fuck all knowledge about sport who assembled a board that lasted roughly the same amount of time one of our clean sheets does.
So yeah, were sitting around scratching our arses.
It was definitely the best thing to wait till the end of the season and not have the new manager tainted by this years disaster. The problem will start however if there is not a very quick appointment after the season ends. I'm hoping the deal has been made and the new man is already working on things. But you know, this is Villa.
It was definitely the best thing to wait till the end of the season and not have the new manager tainted by this years disaster. The problem will start however if there is not a very quick appointment after the season ends. I'm hoping the deal has been made and the new man is already working on things. But you know, this is Villa.
a deal already done? behave
Jay Spearing is far too good for whatever league it is that Bolton are in now.Welcome back, footyskillz.
It was definitely the best thing to wait till the end of the season and not have the new manager tainted by this years disaster. The problem will start however if there is not a very quick appointment after the season ends. I'm hoping the deal has been made and the new man is already working on things. But you know, this is Villa.
a deal already done? behave
For all you know, it might be.
It was definitely the best thing to wait till the end of the season and not have the new manager tainted by this years disaster. The problem will start however if there is not a very quick appointment after the season ends. I'm hoping the deal has been made and the new man is already working on things. But you know, this is Villa.
a deal already done? behave
For all you know, it might be.
shall we have a bet? ill have a tenner that we will be unsold by the end of june
It was definitely the best thing to wait till the end of the season and not have the new manager tainted by this years disaster. The problem will start however if there is not a very quick appointment after the season ends. I'm hoping the deal has been made and the new man is already working on things. But you know, this is Villa.
a deal already done? behave
For all you know, it might be.
shall we have a bet? ill have a tenner that we will be unsold by the end of june
Unsold? WarzaVilla was talking about the new manager, not the takeover, i presume.
It was definitely the best thing to wait till the end of the season and not have the new manager tainted by this years disaster. The problem will start however if there is not a very quick appointment after the season ends. I'm hoping the deal has been made and the new man is already working on things. But you know, this is Villa.
a deal already done? behave
For all you know, it might be.
shall we have a bet? ill have a tenner that we will be unsold by the end of june
Unsold? WarzaVilla was talking about the new manager, not the takeover, i presume.
sorry
how about no new manager announced by the end of may?
It was definitely the best thing to wait till the end of the season and not have the new manager tainted by this years disaster. The problem will start however if there is not a very quick appointment after the season ends. I'm hoping the deal has been made and the new man is already working on things. But you know, this is Villa.
a deal already done? behave
For all you know, it might be.
shall we have a bet? ill have a tenner that we will be unsold by the end of june
Unsold? WarzaVilla was talking about the new manager, not the takeover, i presume.
sorry
how about no new manager announced by the end of may?
I think they will by the end of May.
So Leicester will be holding their victory parade soon. Back on planet Lerner, Aston Villa are dawdling around, scratching their arse.
Yes, they've because they've just won the league and we can't sign any new players yet anyway.
Can we scout any? No. Why? Because we have no manager, so no idea what players he wants, no scouting system to speak of because they're at school/surfing delete as applicable, no long term decisions or appointments being made because we have no board and no one running things, unless you count the suit guy with fuck all knowledge about sport who assembled a board that lasted roughly the same amount of time one of our clean sheets does.
So yeah, were sitting around scratching our arses.
So Leicester will be holding their victory parade soon. Back on planet Lerner, Aston Villa are dawdling around, scratching their arse.
Yes, they've because they've just won the league and we can't sign any new players yet anyway.
Can we scout any? No. Why? Because we have no manager, so no idea what players he wants, no scouting system to speak of because they're at school/surfing delete as applicable, no long term decisions or appointments being made because we have no board and no one running things, unless you count the suit guy with fuck all knowledge about sport who assembled a board that lasted roughly the same amount of time one of our clean sheets does.
So yeah, were sitting around scratching our arses.
The crux of the matter in one post and why I genuinely hope we have someone lined up. The beauty of changing the manager and getting the right man in is the effect it can have on players. Literally, get a guy in who knows how to utilise Gestede properly and get him 5-6 goals with his head early on and we could have a completely different player on our hands. Before you know it, his confidence is up, he is working harder, getting in better positions and trying things that are coming off due to increased confidence (look at Adebayor under Sherwood). Suddenly we only need a back up striker as opposed to blowing half our budget on a new striker. Before anyone tells me he is shit and always will be, take a look at Vardy, Soldado, Carroll, Origi when used correctly by the right manager. Get the wrong man in who doesnt fancy him and we have the next nzogbia on our hands.
If the last season has taught us anything, as a complete system for bringing players, dictating players to a manager based on attributes simply does not work. It needs to be integrated with pulling out all the stops to give a manager the opportunity to get in his Generals, the men who will run the dressing room and get them going through brick walls. If we ever want to improve we cant do anything till we have a manager.
Jay Spearing is far too good for whatever league it is that Bolton are in now.Welcome back, footyskillz.
Let's just sign Robbie Keane and be done with it.
There is plenty of evidence to back up what I said - namely both sides have given a variation of what happened. Tim said he did not choose the players, Villa said the players were put in front of him based on attributes he requested and he signed off after discussions with the transfer committee. I suspect the truth is somewhere in the middle and each player was evaluated on individual merits.So Leicester will be holding their victory parade soon. Back on planet Lerner, Aston Villa are dawdling around, scratching their arse.
Yes, they've because they've just won the league and we can't sign any new players yet anyway.
Can we scout any? No. Why? Because we have no manager, so no idea what players he wants, no scouting system to speak of because they're at school/surfing delete as applicable, no long term decisions or appointments being made because we have no board and no one running things, unless you count the suit guy with fuck all knowledge about sport who assembled a board that lasted roughly the same amount of time one of our clean sheets does.
So yeah, were sitting around scratching our arses.
The crux of the matter in one post and why I genuinely hope we have someone lined up. The beauty of changing the manager and getting the right man in is the effect it can have on players. Literally, get a guy in who knows how to utilise Gestede properly and get him 5-6 goals with his head early on and we could have a completely different player on our hands. Before you know it, his confidence is up, he is working harder, getting in better positions and trying things that are coming off due to increased confidence (look at Adebayor under Sherwood). Suddenly we only need a back up striker as opposed to blowing half our budget on a new striker. Before anyone tells me he is shit and always will be, take a look at Vardy, Soldado, Carroll, Origi when used correctly by the right manager. Get the wrong man in who doesnt fancy him and we have the next nzogbia on our hands.
If the last season has taught us anything, as a complete system for bringing players, dictating players to a manager based on attributes simply does not work. It needs to be integrated with pulling out all the stops to give a manager the opportunity to get in his Generals, the men who will run the dressing room and get them going through brick walls. If we ever want to improve we cant do anything till we have a manager.
1. The very reason why a scouting system based entirely on a manager is not a good idea these days.
2. So because we f##ked up moving into the 21st century we should revert to the 1980's? And we should also swallow every last morsel of howash and bullshit fed to the media by Nice but Tim? The same Nice but Tim that was gushing to the media all through last summer about all the leg work he'd been putting in over the previous years top keep track of what felt like every player in Europe under the age of 25.
The only evidence that the scouting set up was dictating to Sherwood was what Sherwood started spouting when it was obviously going tits up with no way back.
Let's just sign Robbie Keane and be done with it.
Well to be fair Joey Barton did a job for Burnley so...
There is plenty of evidence to back up what I said - namely both sides have given a variation of what happened.1 Tim said he did not choose the players, Villa said the players were put in front of him based on attributes he requested and he signed off after discussions with the transfer committee. I suspect the truth is somewhere in the middle and each player was evaluated on individual merits.So Leicester will be holding their victory parade soon. Back on planet Lerner, Aston Villa are dawdling around, scratching their arse.
Yes, they've because they've just won the league and we can't sign any new players yet anyway.
Can we scout any? No. Why? Because we have no manager, so no idea what players he wants, no scouting system to speak of because they're at school/surfing delete as applicable, no long term decisions or appointments being made because we have no board and no one running things, unless you count the suit guy with fuck all knowledge about sport who assembled a board that lasted roughly the same amount of time one of our clean sheets does.
So yeah, were sitting around scratching our arses.
The crux of the matter in one post and why I genuinely hope we have someone lined up. The beauty of changing the manager and getting the right man in is the effect it can have on players. Literally, get a guy in who knows how to utilise Gestede properly and get him 5-6 goals with his head early on and we could have a completely different player on our hands. Before you know it, his confidence is up, he is working harder, getting in better positions and trying things that are coming off due to increased confidence (look at Adebayor under Sherwood). Suddenly we only need a back up striker as opposed to blowing half our budget on a new striker. Before anyone tells me he is shit and always will be, take a look at Vardy, Soldado, Carroll, Origi when used correctly by the right manager. Get the wrong man in who doesnt fancy him and we have the next nzogbia on our hands.
If the last season has taught us anything, as a complete system for bringing players, dictating players to a manager based on attributes simply does not work. It needs to be integrated with pulling out all the stops to give a manager the opportunity to get in his Generals, the men who will run the dressing room and get them going through brick walls. If we ever want to improve we cant do anything till we have a manager.
1. The very reason why a scouting system based entirely on a manager is not a good idea these days.
2. So because we f##ked up moving into the 21st century we should revert to the 1980's? And we should also swallow every last morsel of howash and bullshit fed to the media by Nice but Tim? The same Nice but Tim that was gushing to the media all through last summer about all the leg work he'd been putting in over the previous years top keep track of what felt like every player in Europe under the age of 25.
The only evidence that the scouting set up was dictating to Sherwood was what Sherwood started spouting when it was obviously going tits up with no way back.
Back to what I was trying to say, you are missing my point I think. the key phrase i used was "as a complete system for bringing players" and using a hypathetic scenario to make my point, our scouting system highlight a talented midfielder like Affelay who is available for a bargain 8m and could potentially improve and make us alot of money in the future. We then appoint Sam Allardyce as manager who highlights Kevin Nolan and Mark Noble as the men he wants in Midfield to get us back up and it turns out Affelay isnt really going to get a sniff. We then cant go out and invest 8m on a promising young centreback we have found in the dutch leagues because we have blown the money on a player who is spending the season on the bench.
Im not saying we should revert back to the 80's but we need a manager in who can assess the squad before anything is done, which is why I suspect as was mentioned originally, we are currently scratching our arses.
If we're going to persevere with Gestede then Elmohamady at Hull seems to get plenty of good crosses in whenever I've seen him play.
Obviously I'd like us to build our side round Jay Spearing.
But would Spearing come? Not sure we're ion the market for that level of talent just yet.
We need to buy some players to form the nucleus of a good midfield
But would Spearing come? Not sure we're ion the market for that level of talent just yet.
Up and atom
We need to buy some players to form the nucleus of a good midfield
But would Spearing come? Not sure we're ion the market for that level of talent just yet.
Up and atom
Maybe, I would rather not go back through Tiger Tim's steaming pile of quotes to find out if you dont mind, I found him irritating at the best of times. But whoever picked/signed off/scouted the players we brought in it was a monumental disaster for 50m, probably the biggest the premier league has ever seen.Controversial perhaps, but many of the summer's purchases may not be as bad as you imply. The challenge - as ever - has been in the coaching and management of the players.
If we had dispensed with him after the cup final debarcle and brought in Pearson then it may have been a different scenario now. Imagine if instead of Bunn, Richards, Lescott and Traore we had brought in Fabianski, Huth, Shawcross and Carrick along with all of the other new lads we got in. I have tried to be realistic and I honestly dont think we would be down
If we're going to persevere with Gestede then Elmohamady at Hull seems to get plenty of good crosses in whenever I've seen him play.
Obviously I'd like us to build our side round Jay Spearing.
Maybe, I would rather not go back through Tiger Tim's steaming pile of quotes to find out if you dont mind, I found him irritating at the best of times. But whoever picked/signed off/scouted the players we brought in it was a monumental disaster for 50m, probably the biggest the premier league has ever seen.Controversial perhaps, but many of the summer's purchases may not be as bad as you imply. The challenge - as ever - has been in the coaching and management of the players.
If we had dispensed with him after the cup final debarcle and brought in Pearson then it may have been a different scenario now. Imagine if instead of Bunn, Richards, Lescott and Traore we had brought in Fabianski, Huth, Shawcross and Carrick along with all of the other new lads we got in. I have tried to be realistic and I honestly dont think we would be down
Maybe, I would rather not go back through Tiger Tim's steaming pile of quotes to find out if you dont mind, I found him irritating at the best of times. But whoever picked/signed off/scouted the players we brought in it was a monumental disaster for 50m, probably the biggest the premier league has ever seen.Controversial perhaps, but many of the summer's purchases may not be as bad as you imply. The challenge - as ever - has been in the coaching and management of the players.
If we had dispensed with him after the cup final debarcle and brought in Pearson then it may have been a different scenario now. Imagine if instead of Bunn, Richards, Lescott and Traore we had brought in Fabianski, Huth, Shawcross and Carrick along with all of the other new lads we got in. I have tried to be realistic and I honestly dont think we would be down
Maybe, I would rather not go back through Tiger Tim's steaming pile of quotes to find out if you dont mind, I found him irritating at the best of times. But whoever picked/signed off/scouted the players we brought in it was a monumental disaster for 50m, probably the biggest the premier league has ever seen.Controversial perhaps, but many of the summer's purchases may not be as bad as you imply. The challenge - as ever - has been in the coaching and management of the players.
If we had dispensed with him after the cup final debarcle and brought in Pearson then it may have been a different scenario now. Imagine if instead of Bunn, Richards, Lescott and Traore we had brought in Fabianski, Huth, Shawcross and Carrick along with all of the other new lads we got in. I have tried to be realistic and I honestly dont think we would be down
Yep - I mean, as an example, it just showed up in my Twitter timeline that Jonny Evans, who of course we were quite strongly linked with (I think), who a lot of people here were unenthusiastic about, just won Albion's player of the year vote; yet I can't help but feel that if he had signed for us, he would've been made to look as poor as the Albion defender we did end up signing.
Might upset a few (literally) but I think Lee Cattermole would do a job next season.
'Runs off awaiting backlash'
Might upset a few (literally) but I think Lee Cattermole would do a job next season.He could get about 10 red cards yes. He could get a nice little collection of them to go with all his yellows and at the end of the season use them all as giant confetti.
'Runs off awaiting backlash'
Might upset a few (literally) but I think Lee Cattermole would do a job next season.Do the changing rooms need painting?
'Runs off awaiting backlash'
Might upset a few (literally) but I think Lee Cattermole would do a job next season.Do the changing rooms need painting?
'Runs off awaiting backlash'
There are worse ideas on here.Might upset a few (literally) but I think Lee Cattermole would do a job next season.Do the changing rooms need painting?
'Runs off awaiting backlash'
I take it it's a no then?
Other than not nominating Agbonlahor for wanker of the year, I struggling to think of one.There are worse ideas on here.Might upset a few (literally) but I think Lee Cattermole would do a job next season.Do the changing rooms need painting?
'Runs off awaiting backlash'
I take it it's a no then?
Gary O'Neil is a rumour
Aston Villa trail Bosnian midfielder Tino-Sven Susic as they begin preparations for life in the Championship
Aston Villa scouts have been watching 24-year-old Tino-Sven Susic
The Bosnian is a creative midfielder at Croatian club side Hajduk Split
Nigel Pearson attempted to sign the player for Leicester City in 2015
The former Foxes boss is reported to be Villa's No 1 choice to take over
By JOE BERNSTEIN FOR MAILONLINE
PUBLISHED: 09:22 GMT, 9 May 2016 | UPDATED: 09:47 GMT, 9 May 2016
Aston Villa are trailing £4million Bosnian midfielder Tino-Sven Susic - who Nigel Pearson once tried to sign for Leicester City.
Villa scouts were in the crowd on Sunday night as Susic's Croatian club side Hajduk Split were beaten 2-0 by Inter Zapresa.
Susic is a creative midfielder who has attracted the attention of several English clubs including Stoke City before.
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/05/09/10/33FA3ED800000578-0-image-a-44_1462785568918.jpg)
Gary O'Neil is a rumour
QuoteAston Villa trail Bosnian midfielder Tino-Sven Susic as they begin preparations for life in the Championship
Aston Villa scouts have been watching 24-year-old Tino-Sven Susic
The Bosnian is a creative midfielder at Croatian club side Hajduk Split
Nigel Pearson attempted to sign the player for Leicester City in 2015
The former Foxes boss is reported to be Villa's No 1 choice to take over
By JOE BERNSTEIN FOR MAILONLINE
PUBLISHED: 09:22 GMT, 9 May 2016 | UPDATED: 09:47 GMT, 9 May 2016
Aston Villa are trailing £4million Bosnian midfielder Tino-Sven Susic - who Nigel Pearson once tried to sign for Leicester City.
Villa scouts were in the crowd on Sunday night as Susic's Croatian club side Hajduk Split were beaten 2-0 by Inter Zapresa.
Susic is a creative midfielder who has attracted the attention of several English clubs including Stoke City before.
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/05/09/10/33FA3ED800000578-0-image-a-44_1462785568918.jpg)
QuoteAston Villa trail Bosnian midfielder Tino-Sven Susic as they begin preparations for life in the Championship
Aston Villa scouts have been watching 24-year-old Tino-Sven Susic
The Bosnian is a creative midfielder at Croatian club side Hajduk Split
Nigel Pearson attempted to sign the player for Leicester City in 2015
The former Foxes boss is reported to be Villa's No 1 choice to take over
By JOE BERNSTEIN FOR MAILONLINE
PUBLISHED: 09:22 GMT, 9 May 2016 | UPDATED: 09:47 GMT, 9 May 2016
Aston Villa are trailing £4million Bosnian midfielder Tino-Sven Susic - who Nigel Pearson once tried to sign for Leicester City.
Villa scouts were in the crowd on Sunday night as Susic's Croatian club side Hajduk Split were beaten 2-0 by Inter Zapresa.
Susic is a creative midfielder who has attracted the attention of several English clubs including Stoke City before.
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/05/09/10/33FA3ED800000578-0-image-a-44_1462785568918.jpg)
I would assume if we are being linked with players linked to Pearson that might be another step to knowing our manager?
We've not a good track record in acquiring work permits for obsure Eastern Europeans.
Just from wiki, with never having seen him play, it says he's tiny 5ft 6 and has had 1 good season in 5 years.
Just from wiki, with never having seen him play, it says he's tiny 5ft 6 and has had 1 good season in 5 years.
Kalinic - All done, work permit agreed apart from a ratification through some panel, one of which was Margaret Byrne, she who had the morale fibre to allow Johnson to keep playing for Sunderland, voted that he was not of the right quality. Or something like that. But the league isn't at all murky. Not at all.
Gayle who has about a 1 in 3 record in the Premier league? He will be staying put or going to another premier league team I am pretty sure.
Roberts is at Celtic until 2017, but I'm sure some other Man City youngsters would be good if we're to go down loan signings route.
There are some interesting bosman's about this summer. If, if, if, we have the manager and owners in place we might not need bosman transfers but it would be daft not to have a look.
Huddlestone's only 29?? I thought he'd be well into his 30's by now.
If he lowers his wage. I'd rather have Carrick or Barry for that role, but Hudd is the realistic option.Huddlestone's only 29?? I thought he'd be well into his 30's by now.
Yeah, debuted at 16 I think, so he's been around for what seems a lot longer. Worth a punt, for no fee.
If he lowers his wage. I'd rather have Carrick or Barry for that role, but Hudd is the realistic option.Huddlestone's only 29?? I thought he'd be well into his 30's by now.
Yeah, debuted at 16 I think, so he's been around for what seems a lot longer. Worth a punt, for no fee.
If Ayew leaves, Nicky Ajose from Swindon might be a cheaper alternative to Gayle as someone to play alongside Gestede.
Why fill the squad with championship dross?
That's how you stay in it.
They might have looked shit this season but plenty of the players we have are good enough to get us back up.
We need to keep these and add players good enough to win the championship, not ones who will help us bob along in it because that's their level. What would be the point in that?
Leigh Griffiths, Celtic forward. 40 goals this season.
Might fancy his chances South of the boarder.
Why fill the squad with championship dross?
That's how you stay in it.
They might have looked shit this season but plenty of the players we have are good enough to get us back up.
We need to keep these and add players good enough to win the championship, not ones who will help us bob along in it because that's their level. What would be the point in that?
If you buy into that then maybe, maybe, our players are just not good enough to get us promoted and we do need to recruit the best players from the Championship or beyond.
If you buy into that then maybe, maybe, our players are just not good enough to get us promoted and we do need to recruit the best players from the Championship or beyond.
If you buy into that then maybe, maybe, our players are just not good enough to get us promoted and we do need to recruit the best players from the Championship or beyond.
Yes, the best players from the championship, players who are too good for that level - people seem to be looking at players who have been at that level for years and saying "he knows the league". Yes, they know the league because they've spent most of their careers there. For a reason.
George Friend and Jordan Rhodes have been stand out players though and linked with Premier league moves for a long time. Boro have been helped by Downing and Gaston Ramirez being miles better than the championship. Much like Traore, Gil, Grealish and Veretout are if we keep hold of them and have a manager with some sort of ability to actually manage, organise and motivate a team.
As Paulie says, a lot of our players are easily better than a lot down there already. The big thing for me is getting 3-4 leaders through the spine of the team. We have Gestede, a goalscorer alongside him with experience of the league makes sense, so McCormack must be worth a look. Burnley went out and got the stand out striker in that division when they were relegated and it basically ensured promotion. A defender of experience and quality to sit alongside Clark and lead the back line - no idea who, but someone in the ilk of the hairy Pole at Leicester would be useful. Someone versed in the dark arts. Wilson at Stoke would be worth a look as a utility defender across the back too IMO. Morrison from Albion might be worth a go if he doesn't sign his deal there. 3-4 well thought out loan deals too. Ramirez at Boro being a good example. How much longer have Dawson and Davies got on their deals at Hull - easily better than Championship and good enough for our side. If they don't go up they might be forced to shed some players. Diame and Livermore (looked very good 2 years ago in midfield) might also be worth a look. Bamford up front if Chelsea are selling - although Boro may well go back in for him.
If you buy into that then maybe, maybe, our players are just not good enough to get us promoted and we do need to recruit the best players from the Championship or beyond.
Yes, the best players from the championship, players who are too good for that level - people seem to be looking at players who have been at that level for years and saying "he knows the league". Yes, they know the league because they've spent most of their careers there. For a reason.
George Friend and Jordan Rhodes have been stand out players though and linked with Premier league moves for a long time. Boro have been helped by Downing and Gaston Ramirez being miles better than the championship. Much like Traore, Gil, Grealish and Veretout are if we keep hold of them and have a manager with some sort of ability to actually manage, organise and motivate a team.
As Paulie says, a lot of our players are easily better than a lot down there already. The big thing for me is getting 3-4 leaders through the spine of the team. We have Gestede, a goalscorer alongside him with experience of the league makes sense, so McCormack must be worth a look. Burnley went out and got the stand out striker in that division when they were relegated and it basically ensured promotion. A defender of experience and quality to sit alongside Clark and lead the back line - no idea who, but someone in the ilk of the hairy Pole at Leicester would be useful. Someone versed in the dark arts. Wilson at Stoke would be worth a look as a utility defender across the back too IMO. Morrison from Albion might be worth a go if he doesn't sign his deal there. 3-4 well thought out loan deals too. Ramirez at Boro being a good example. How much longer have Dawson and Davies got on their deals at Hull - easily better than Championship and good enough for our side. If they don't go up they might be forced to shed some players. Diame and Livermore (looked very good 2 years ago in midfield) might also be worth a look. Bamford up front if Chelsea are selling - although Boro may well go back in for him.
Gil?
It's the old Tony Pulis dilemma. Do we prepare for the immediate future and do whatever is needed to get back up or do we take the longer view and regard the main agenda as getting back up and staying up. If it is the Chinese owners I suspect the intense pragmatism they apply to business generally will see them focussing on getting back up and banking the added value before the long term is contemplated.
It's the old Tony Pulis dilemma. Do we prepare for the immediate future and do whatever is needed to get back up or do we take the longer view and regard the main agenda as getting back up and staying up. If it is the Chinese owners I suspect the intense pragmatism they apply to business generally will see them focussing on getting back up and banking the added value before the long term is contemplated.
It's going to have to be a mix of both. Like Taylor buying players both like Platt and Simms. If there is one thing the Chinese are known for it's their long-term thinking.
It's the old Tony Pulis dilemma. Do we prepare for the immediate future and do whatever is needed to get back up or do we take the longer view and regard the main agenda as getting back up and staying up. If it is the Chinese owners I suspect the intense pragmatism they apply to business generally will see them focussing on getting back up and banking the added value before the long term is contemplated.my view entirely Brian. We need to totally focus on the goal of getting straight back up next season. If we can put some things in place to consolidate in the following few seasons, great. But focus has to be on turning this steaming pile of shit tanker round and climbing back up, first time of asking.
It's the old Tony Pulis dilemma. Do we prepare for the immediate future and do whatever is needed to get back up or do we take the longer view and regard the main agenda as getting back up and staying up. If it is the Chinese owners I suspect the intense pragmatism they apply to business generally will see them focussing on getting back up and banking the added value before the long term is contemplated.my view entirely Brian. We need to totally focus on the goal of getting straight back up next season. If we can put some things in place to consolidate in the following few seasons, great. But focus has to be on turning this steaming pile of shit tanker round and climbing back up, first time of asking.
It's the old Tony Pulis dilemma. Do we prepare for the immediate future and do whatever is needed to get back up or do we take the longer view and regard the main agenda as getting back up and staying up. If it is the Chinese owners I suspect the intense pragmatism they apply to business generally will see them focussing on getting back up and banking the added value before the long term is contemplated.my view entirely Brian. We need to totally focus on the goal of getting straight back up next season. If we can put some things in place to consolidate in the following few seasons, great. But focus has to be on turning this steaming pile of shit tanker round and climbing back up, first time of asking.
You need to build a team to get out of the Championship but it must have more than half that will be comfortable back in the PL.
It's the old Tony Pulis dilemma. Do we prepare for the immediate future and do whatever is needed to get back up or do we take the longer view and regard the main agenda as getting back up and staying up. If it is the Chinese owners I suspect the intense pragmatism they apply to business generally will see them focussing on getting back up and banking the added value before the long term is contemplated.my view entirely Brian. We need to totally focus on the goal of getting straight back up next season. If we can put some things in place to consolidate in the following few seasons, great. But focus has to be on turning this steaming pile of shit tanker round and climbing back up, first time of asking.
You need to build a team to get out of the Championship but it must have more than half that will be comfortable back in the PL.
I agree with the principle, but I think you're looking at probably 75% of the squad and 8 or 9 out of your first choice 11, otherwise the rebuild is too big and expensive and the alterations to the first 11 too disruptive.
The alternative is to do a Burnley due to lack of quality all round.
There's no chance Benitez will stay.
There's no chance Benitez will stay.
There's no chance Benitez will stay.
Can't see it either. He'll have much better offers from across Europe.
There's no chance Benitez will stay.
Can't see it either. He'll have much better offers from across Europe.
I wouldn't write it off as quickly as some seem to be.
There's no chance Benitez will stay.
Can't see it either. He'll have much better offers from across Europe.
I wouldn't write it off as quickly as some seem to be.
I suspect Everton at least will want to talk to him.
I think he will stay, but end up not actually walking the championship as some believe. They are going to have huge wage issues, and some of their better players will get tapped. Townsend, Wijnaldum, Sissokho, Mitrovic I reckon will go.
Shelvey is a good championship player though.
Out of that lot peter w, I'd add Gana to the 'good enough for the Championship', I'd move Bunn up to 'good enough for the Championship' as second keeper, Okore up to 'keep if they'd stay', Gil up to 'may do a job', and Guzan, Lescott, Flabby and Bacuna down to 'get out'
I think Gabby, Bacuna and Lescott just cannot stay after all the shit they've pulled this season.
I think Gabby, Bacuna and Lescott just cannot stay after all the shit they've pulled this season.
Agree.
Which is a shame for Bacuna, as I think he would have done well in the championship and developed his game.
I think Gabby, Bacuna and Lescott just cannot stay after all the shit they've pulled this season.
I think Gabby, Bacuna and Lescott just cannot stay after all the shit they've pulled this season.
I'd add Guzan and Richards to that list as well.
I disagree that Bacuna needs to go to get a unified dressing room but seeing how the fans have turned on him it may be better for him to leave.
Agree fully. I've no issue with bacuna and feel for him as he is being slaughtered for nothing really. Being shite isn't his fault also (even if he is better than shite. Just average).
I don't have any issues with Bacuna over the CL thing or any clique stuff. My issue is him being shit. That's why I want him out whether it's his fault or not.
Yes, wish I'd seen that Southampton gesture you mention, cos I certainly would have took him up on the offer.
What turned me against him was after the Wycombe game, no shame at all shown.
In terms of strikers, I'd like to see us go for this year's equivalent of Andre Gray or Callum Wilson. I don't know enough about the lower divisions to know who this would be, but a pacy young striker who has already proven their goal scoring credentials in the Championship or League One. I appreciate that this is probably too simplistic, but looking at the top scorer tables; Nahki Wells at Huddersfield, William Grigg at Wigan, Nicky Ajose at Swindon, or Sam Winnall at Barnsley seem to fit the bill. It would be good to be able to play in different ways, with the Gestede/ Kozak option also available.
Above all we need players who can actually play well together. I know that football is an arcane alchemy whose mysteries are impenetrable to even the wisest, but it surely it doesn't take a genius to see that players who like to press and keep the ball (Veretout, Gana) shouldn't be playing in front of a back four which can't play a high line on account of Lescott's slowness and Richards' stupidity. Some joined-up thinking please.
Gestede is clearly a proven goal scorer but I'd much prefer an agile and pacy goal getter
McCormack and Dembele both scored a lot last season despite Fulham being shit. Anyone seen much of them?
Gestede is clearly a proven goal scorer but I'd much prefer an agile and pacy goal getter
McCormack and Dembele both scored a lot last season despite Fulham being shit. Anyone seen much of them?
David Forde milwall GK and the Croatian chap after the euros as he's played more games and uk would have opted in after referendum so work permits no issue hopefully
Any Chinese footballers worth a look ?
We need to keep Ayew. And Amavi. That should be Tony's first statement of intent.
We need to keep Ayew. And Amavi. That should be Tony's first statement of intent.
Pretty confident about keep Amavi as he only played a handful of games before being injured for most of the season, so he will be "under the radar".
Any Chinese footballers worth a look ?
Striker wise, I'd be looking to loan a player from the Prem. I'm not sure who but I'd initially ask for players like Rashford/Ihenacho but in reality players slightly below that level are more realistic. Hopefully playing 30-40 games will be seen as better for their development than playing in the league cup and a splattering of sub appearances.
keeping Ayew is also a priority as I think he'd be a level above the Championship. Ayew, Gestede and the loan chap should be enough with our on youths being used when possible.
For a striker, I think if we can keep Ayew and Gestede they will get a fair few (25-30 easily I'd guess) so we can afford to look for a younger striker who will have a year to settle and work his way into the team before being ready for the premier league. The problem with people like McCormack is they might do a job in the championship but they're just not going to be good enough for the premier league and we already have Gestede for that.Do Robinson, Davis and Sellars qualify?
Robinson is out of contract I believe. I wouldn't expect him to get a renewal.For a striker, I think if we can keep Ayew and Gestede they will get a fair few (25-30 easily I'd guess) so we can afford to look for a younger striker who will have a year to settle and work his way into the team before being ready for the premier league. The problem with people like McCormack is they might do a job in the championship but they're just not going to be good enough for the premier league and we already have Gestede for that.Do Robinson, Davis and Sellars qualify?
I liked the way that recent press comments from Xia particularly pointed at the Academy as a source of potential squad recruits.
If we're a little well off now how about a Bid for the Beast?Maybe next year. But why not? I'd love to have him back.
For a striker, I think if we can keep Ayew and Gestede they will get a fair few (25-30 easily I'd guess) so we can afford to look for a younger striker who will have a year to settle and work his way into the team before being ready for the premier league. The problem with people like McCormack is they might do a job in the championship but they're just not going to be good enough for the premier league and we already have Gestede for that.Do Robinson, Davis and Sellars qualify?
I liked the way that recent press comments from Xia particularly pointed at the Academy as a source of potential squad recruits.
If we're a little well off now how about a Bid for the Beast?Maybe next year. But why not? I'd love to have him back.
If we're a little well off now how about a Bid for the Beast?Maybe next year. But why not? I'd love to have him back.
An expensive loan deal for a year with a buy option if we're promoted. Something like £5m for the loan and £27m to complete the deal a year later? Surely Liverpool would bite our hands off for that and then Benteke just needs to be convinced of the owner's ambition.
I wonder how the payments of his transfer are structured and how much Liverpool still owe us.If we're a little well off now how about a Bid for the Beast?Maybe next year. But why not? I'd love to have him back.
An expensive loan deal for a year with a buy option if we're promoted. Something like £5m for the loan and £27m to complete the deal a year later? Surely Liverpool would bite our hands off for that and then Benteke just needs to be convinced of the owner's ambition.
If we're a little well off now how about a Bid for the Beast?Maybe next year. But why not? I'd love to have him back.
An expensive loan deal for a year with a buy option if we're promoted. Something like £5m for the loan and £27m to complete the deal a year later? Surely Liverpool would bite our hands off for that and then Benteke just needs to be convinced of the owner's ambition.
Daddy's not coming home children. Time to move on...
I wonder how the payments of his transfer are structured and how much Liverpool still owe us.If we're a little well off now how about a Bid for the Beast?Maybe next year. But why not? I'd love to have him back.
An expensive loan deal for a year with a buy option if we're promoted. Something like £5m for the loan and £27m to complete the deal a year later? Surely Liverpool would bite our hands off for that and then Benteke just needs to be convinced of the owner's ambition.
Is this a serous debate? Benteke? Jeez
For a striker, I think if we can keep Ayew and Gestede they will get a fair few (25-30 easily I'd guess) so we can afford to look for a younger striker who will have a year to settle and work his way into the team before being ready for the premier league. The problem with people like McCormack is they might do a job in the championship but they're just not going to be good enough for the premier league and we already have Gestede for that.
The most important signings for me are a good keeper, a right back who can attack and defend and a centre half with pace and a bit of quality. Get those 3 right and you give yourself a platform to be able to bring in the likes of Traore, Grealish, Gil and Veretout to provide some real creativity. Then we can look at another midfielder to compete with Gana, a striker with some more movement and getting some more goals into the midfield.
Ings is more likely to be loaned back to Burnley. Does anyone know much about the lad at Walsall ? Bradshaw I think. Others I'd be looking at include Wells (Huddersfield) and surely a midfielder from anywhere who can score goals !
Enough of this Benteke chatter, when's Milner coming back ? ;)He's waiting for a ride with Barry. Car sharing and caring for the environment, good eggs that they are.
I suggested Danny Ings a while back. It's possible he might not be in Klopps plans and they might loan him out for a season.
I suggested Danny Ings a while back. It's possible he might not be in Klopps plans and they might loan him out for a season.
I know mouths might water at the prospect of a 50 million transfer kitty but I don't want us to be spunking money willy nilly. I think Warnock had it right when he said that you don't need to spend huge to do well in the championship, and actually a lot of teams who do spend a lot actually tend to underwhelm (Fulham for one).What is more important is getting the right sort of characters in your side. People who will give it 110%. If you're gonna spend big, the best thing to do is save that for buying a striker who can all but garauntee you 20 goals.
I know mouths might water at the prospect of a 50 million transfer kitty but I don't want us to be spunking money willy nilly. I think Warnock had it right when he said that you don't need to spend huge to do well in the championship, and actually a lot of teams who do spend a lot actually tend to underwhelm (Fulham for one).What is more important is getting the right sort of characters in your side. People who will give it 110%. If you're gonna spend big, the best thing to do is save that for buying a striker who can all but garauntee you 20 goals.
I would say 20-30 max will see us right. You don't want to throw out Premiership money and end up with mercs who won't care and just want an easy ride. We need graft, desire and players who buy into the project we've got going. We need a mix of players who can perform at that level but may not fancy the chances of automatic promotion at their current club (Judge?) and players who have something to prove who are struggling to get games in the top flight (not for the lack of ability....Nathan Dyer?). Then 1-2 older heads with a couple of good years and good attitudes who could offer something to us (Osman).
I suggested Danny Ings a while back. It's possible he might not be in Klopps plans and they might loan him out for a season.
He'll have plenty of takers in the topflight if Liverpool do decide to get rid. I think he's the sort of busy, energetic player Klopp will like anyroad. Not necessarily a guaranteed starter, but will feature in plenty of games.
jay rodriguez on a season long loan
dont think Koeman is overly keen on Charlie Austin either
jay rodriguez on a season long loan
dont think Koeman is overly keen on Charlie Austin either
jay rodriguez on a season long loan
dont think Koeman is overly keen on Charlie Austin eitherjay rodriguez on a season long loan
dont think Koeman is overly keen on Charlie Austin either
I had forgotten about Rodriguez.
If Koeman isn't overly keen, why did he buy him?
Worth looking at Patrick Bamford again? His career seems to have stalled somewhat.
Worth looking at Patrick Bamford again? His career seems to have stalled somewhat.
Worth looking at Patrick Bamford again? His career seems to have stalled somewhat.
His career seems to stall wherever he's gone recently. Makes you wonder if he's all he's alleged to be. I'd sooner get someone more established and then bring through the likes of Green, Robinson or Hepburn-Murphy
Bamford should be top of our list. I would have that Loftus Cheek on loan from Chelsea happily too. Sinclair on a bosman from Liverpool will score at that level too i reckon and be good enough to do it in the premiership. Edit and we will find out as he has signed for Watford. Without them even having a manager in place at the time. Odd.
Defence is my worry. Getting a solid back 4 and keeper together. Clark having a reported 5m release clause won't help with that.
I watched a bit of the Scottish Cup Final yesterday. I reckon Anthony Stokes who is on loan to Hibs from Celtic would get us 20 plus in the Championship.
Worth looking at Patrick Bamford again? His career seems to have stalled somewhat.
His career seems to stall wherever he's gone recently. Makes you wonder if he's all he's alleged to be. I'd sooner get someone more established and then bring through the likes of Green, Robinson or Hepburn-Murphy
Bamford should be top of our list. I would have that Loftus Cheek on loan from Chelsea happily too. Sinclair on a bosman from Liverpool will score at that level too i reckon and be good enough to do it in the premiership. Edit and we will find out as he has signed for Watford. Without them even having a manager in place at the time. Odd.
Defence is my worry. Getting a solid back 4 and keeper together. Clark having a reported 5m release clause won't help with that.
Bamford should be top of our list. I would have that Loftus Cheek on loan from Chelsea happily too. Sinclair on a bosman from Liverpool will score at that level too i reckon and be good enough to do it in the premiership. Edit and we will find out as he has signed for Watford. Without them even having a manager in place at the time. Odd.
Defence is my worry. Getting a solid back 4 and keeper together. Clark having a reported 5m release clause won't help with that.
Clark for five mill? Happily do that deal. Other than Amavi and Okore, the rest can go. I think I read yesterday that Sinclair has left Liverpool and signed a four year deal but can't remember where or who he joined. Agree on Bamford.
Bamford should be top of our list. I would have that Loftus Cheek on loan from Chelsea happily too. Sinclair on a bosman from Liverpool will score at that level too i reckon and be good enough to do it in the premiership. Edit and we will find out as he has signed for Watford. Without them even having a manager in place at the time. Odd.
Defence is my worry. Getting a solid back 4 and keeper together. Clark having a reported 5m release clause won't help with that.
I'd get shot of him personally. Likes of him and Westwood playing 100 odd games for us over last 5 years sum up the declining standards of this club.
Bamford should be top of our list. I would have that Loftus Cheek on loan from Chelsea happily too. Sinclair on a bosman from Liverpool will score at that level too i reckon and be good enough to do it in the premiership. Edit and we will find out as he has signed for Watford. Without them even having a manager in place at the time. Odd.
Defence is my worry. Getting a solid back 4 and keeper together. Clark having a reported 5m release clause won't help with that.
Clark is a very mediocre CB. Can't really run fast, average with the ball, dosen't really track runners in the 6 yard box, average in the air and we've seen him frequently get out-muscled by physical forwards of which there are a lot down there.
I'd get shot of him personally. Likes of him and Westwood playing 100 odd games for us over last 5 years sum up the declining standards of this club.
5m would be an amazing price for him. I'd rather get Okore back onside and keep him and Baker will be fine as back up.
Worth looking at Patrick Bamford again? His career seems to have stalled somewhat.
He should be a serious target.
Can score 20 goals down there with his eyes closed.
agreed but Okore has got legs of glass
If it's Moyes someone like Osman cheaply to show the others what hard work means would be likely i reckon. Distin on a free at the back might be worth doing too. Howe said he was amazed at how fit he was for his age.Pace: Ayew, Green and Hepburn all have pace.
Keeper, leader at back, 2 midfielders and some pace up front are musts.
If it's Moyes someone like Osman cheaply to show the others what hard work means would be likely i reckon. Distin on a free at the back might be worth doing too. Howe said he was amazed at how fit he was for his age.Pace: Ayew, Green and Hepburn all have pace.
Keeper, leader at back, 2 midfielders and some pace up front are musts.
We need some proper leaders. I don't know how serious Stan is, but I'd get Barry back. A proper captain and despite all that went on still loves the club.
We need some proper leaders. I don't know how serious Stan is, but I'd get Barry back. A proper captain and despite all that went on still loves the club.
He's just been named as Everton's player of the year - it's not likely they would let him leave and if they did, I would be amazed if other Premier League clubs didn't show an interest.
Much depends on their next manager and whether they want to refresh the midfield. If we really do have the financial clout Tony is promising, and Gareth Barry does become surplus there, I reckon we could tempt him back.We need some proper leaders. I don't know how serious Stan is, but I'd get Barry back. A proper captain and despite all that went on still loves the club.
He's just been named as Everton's player of the year - it's not likely they would let him leave and if they did, I would be amazed if other Premier League clubs didn't show an interest.
I get what you're saying, but I can't help thinking we might've moved the goalposts a bit now. What have we got to lose? SGT did it with Sid.....
Anthony Stokes is absolutely terrible.
If it's Moyes someone like Osman cheaply to show the others what hard work means would be likely i reckon. Distin on a free at the back might be worth doing too. Howe said he was amazed at how fit he was for his age.Pace: Ayew, Green and Hepburn all have pace.
Keeper, leader at back, 2 midfielders and some pace up front are musts.
Vlaar can fuck off.
He's still not good enough and there's no point having a player who'll manage 20 games tops. Vlaar was as bad last season as Lescott has been this. We might as well keep Joleon.Vlaar can fuck off.
So you think we improved since he left?
Vlaar can fuck off.
So you think we improved since he left?
I htink it was against Southampton last season. Last minute and Vlaar got absolutely roasted. That was a signal, as bad as I've seen from Lescott this whole season (and we've seen a lot of examples) that his legs were turning to dust. He was/is utterly wrecked.Vlaar can fuck off.
So you think we improved since he left?
No. We've got worse since Downing left but I wouldn't have him back either.
For a defender we need a leader. Not someone who turns up with a note from his mum every time he has a chipped toenail and who has ideas above his station.
He's still not good enough and there's no point having a player who'll manage 20 games tops. Vlaar was as bad last season as Lescott has been this. We might as well keep Joleon.Vlaar can fuck off.
So you think we improved since he left?
Baggies after Clark again apparently according to the E&S on BBC Gossip page.
I'm meh about him, but would hate him to go there and fulfil his potential!
If he has a release clause as reported, then it's not really our decision to keep him.
5mil reported, seems low but then again so was the Delph one.
Delph had us over a barrel. Clark didn't, so how has he managed to get one? How many others have them?Exactly. It would be really odd if a player like him had a release clause.
Delph had us over a barrel. Clark didn't, so how has he managed to get one? How many others have them?
£5m for Clark would not be a bad deal at all for us. He's 26, started well over 100 games and the odd patch apart the majority of them haven't been very good. Of course we can say he's played in some really bad defences and would look better with a leader/someone stronger next to him, but you could say that with everyone. I just don't think he's developed and still shows the same flaws he always has done.agree a Division 2 player at best.
If we keep him he can do a good job in the Championship, if we sell him we get good money for a player who up to now hasn't shown himself as a capable Centre back in the Premier league.
Personally I'd like to see us start next season with 2 new centre backs.
Id sell Clark purely to stop Jack Woodward doing the CCCCC thingy
Baker earned rave reviews playing in the Championship last year and he's not as good as Clark.
Clark was our best defender last year. I'd be reluctant to replace our best defender while we retained two worse central defenders who are likely to be on far more money than him.
If he has a release clause as reported, then it's not really our decision to keep him.
5mil reported, seems low but then again so was the Delph one.
Yes, but do we know if another team other than Albion would be willing to activate the clause, just so we can start a bidding war between them?
That was a fun topic - right up there with why Barry didn't take the penalty?If he has a release clause as reported, then it's not really our decision to keep him.
5mil reported, seems low but then again so was the Delph one.
Yes, but do we know if another team other than Albion would be willing to activate the clause, just so we can start a bidding war between them?
No catching me with that one ;-)
Baker earned rave reviews playing in the Championship last year and he's not as good as Clark.
Clark was our best defender last year. I'd be reluctant to replace our best defender while we retained two worse central defenders who are likely to be on far more money than him.
I know you can't singly blame him alone but Baker looked good in a terrible Bristol City side that conceded a lot of goals it's not like he was commanding a mean defence at the business end of the table.
Steer, Gardener and Baker all played for poor Championship clubs last season.
I do agree Clark is better than Baker, neither are top Division defenders though. £5m sounds a lot of money to me.
I'm just not sure about Jed Steer.
Surely if he was any good Huddersfield would be trying to sign him wouldn't they?
I'm just not sure about Jed Steer.
Surely if he was any good Huddersfield would be trying to sign him wouldn't they?
I follow Huddersfield as well as Villa due to family connections, and at the 3 games I've been to this years he's been good. The fans were all seemed keen on signing him, although the board are trying to implement a game akin to Dortmund (They got David Wagner in as coach who was the Dortmund II manager under Klopp) so they appear to be looking to Europe for players.
I think Clark would do a decent job in the Championship but ultimately he is like Westwood when it comes to top flight football, he is nowhere near good enough and consistently makes costly errors.Clark may be fine next season - let's see after the Euros.
One player I would like us to sign is Cyrus Christie from Derby - looks a good Championship right back
Clips of matches tend to show goals or near misses,thus showing defenders in a poor light as you don't get a glimpse of the mundane clearances ,tackles and headers in a game.I thought Villa missed Baker's physical presence last year.Clark and him would have made a more reliable pairing than any involving,Lescott,Richards or Okore.Baker earned rave reviews playing in the Championship last year and he's not as good as Clark.
Clark was our best defender last year. I'd be reluctant to replace our best defender while we retained two worse central defenders who are likely to be on far more money than him.
I know you can't singly blame him alone but Baker looked good in a terrible Bristol City side that conceded a lot of goals it's not like he was commanding a mean defence at the business end of the table.
Steer, Gardener and Baker all played for poor Championship clubs last season.
I do agree Clark is better than Baker, neither are top Division defenders though. £5m sounds a lot of money to me.
Only small snapshots, but the three clips I saw of Bristol City this season involved Baker giving away a penalty, Baker getting injured after doing a diving header and Baker bizarrely turning his back on the play and sitting down injured at the precise moment his goalkeeper passed the ball to him. I would sell him if Bristol City are interested and give Toner a chance as back up.
One player I would like us to sign is Cyrus Christie from Derby - looks a good Championship right back
Agreed, Christie, Dunk and Redmond are three I'd go for from the Championship.
Isn't Distin a left footer of which we currently have three? Ideally we need a big nasty right sided central defender.I would see Distin as a replacement for Lescott. Experienced and not necessarily to play every game. I think Toner's time will come, but he'll be a squad filler. But of Lescott, Baker and Clark I'd expect 2 at least to go.
I like Dunk but he does seem to be prone to the occasional rick.
I keep hearing Clark's a leader but when has he shown that? A couple of big tackles here and there, apart from that, does he talk? Not really, not seen much organisation, not seen him handing out bollockings, I doubt he carries much weight behind the scenes and if he does it's obviously not been effective.
I want a real leader of men, in fact a few of them. Players who demand high standards of the others, don't tolerate slacking, want to win.
Clark stinks too much of the 5 seasons of shit for me.
I'd keep him.When did you started working as his agent?
The stats speak for themselves:
We've won 67.2% of games he's started since his debut but only 21.9% of games he's missed during the same period.
Okay, admittedly, I've just made those figures up. But still pretty compelling I'm sure you'll agree.
I keep hearing Clark's a leader but when has he shown that? A couple of big tackles here and there, apart from that, does he talk? Not really, not seen much organisation, not seen him handing out bollockings, I doubt he carries much weight behind the scenes and if he does it's obviously not been effective.
I want a real leader of men, in fact a few of them. Players who demand high standards of the others, don't tolerate slacking, want to win.
Clark stinks too much of the 5 seasons of shit for me.
His nickname is Skipper or something similar. He's had the tag ever since playing youth football so he must have some personality traits that demonstrate leadership. That or it is a highly ironic nickname.
A Clark Baker combo would give their all but would not generate confidence. They have some good traits but my overriding impression is of them taking it in turns to hammer the ball into touch, lunging in with late tackles or every so often presenting the opponents with a goal.They'd be committed. And they'd work hard, however, the individual mistakes and general switching off wouldn't stop - ok, the strikers in this division won't be as clinical, but these pair at the back for us this season coming would worry me. If Pulis is really going to offer £5mil for Clark then I'm more than happy with that.
I'd keep him.When did you started working as his agent?
The stats speak for themselves:
We've won 67.2% of games he's started since his debut but only 21.9% of games he's missed during the same period.
Okay, admittedly, I've just made those figures up. But still pretty compelling I'm sure you'll agree.
I agree. Big centre forwards eat him alive.
I think we would live to regret it. CBs generally mature later than other footballers, its only really exceptional talents that are world class at an early age and even then they still have a rick in them. Examples - Stones, Smalling, Cahill, Koscielny are/have all been thought of as exceptional players early on but all dropped bollocks on a fairly regular basis. Clark is now reaching the age/experience where those things should start becoming the exception rather than the norm and clicking into place. Dont forget, he has also spent the majority of his time in the first team playing at a club under pressure, seeing alot more of the ball than he shouldA Clark Baker combo would give their all but would not generate confidence. They have some good traits but my overriding impression is of them taking it in turns to hammer the ball into touch, lunging in with late tackles or every so often presenting the opponents with a goal.They'd be committed. And they'd work hard, however, the individual mistakes and general switching off wouldn't stop - ok, the strikers in this division won't be as clinical, but these pair at the back for us this season coming would worry me. If Pulis is really going to offer £5mil for Clark then I'm more than happy with that.
James Chester would be a very good signing, proven for Hull at that level and had a good season for them in the prem. Pulis has played him out of position at RB.
Swop deal could be on the cards there.
Read this morning that Guzan is either off to the MLS or considering offers from Premier League clubs??? I wonder who these mythical Premier League clubs in need of a keeper with transparent hands that can't kick straight? If I was him I'd be looking at college courses and a career change.
There's a few squad players at WBA who could do a good job for us next season. Chester, Lambert, Morrison, Myhill.James Chester would be a very good signing, proven for Hull at that level and had a good season for them in the prem. Pulis has played him out of position at RB.
Swop deal could be on the cards there.
While we're raiding West Brom's bench, beetroot's Ricky Lambert would probably do a pretty solid job for 12 months in that division.
Read this morning that Guzan is either off to the MLS or considering offers from Premier League clubs??? I wonder who these mythical Premier League clubs in need of a keeper with transparent hands that can't kick straight? If I was him I'd be looking at college courses and a career change.
Maybe if that ridiculous Hart to Everton for £40m deal goes through, Brad could go to Man City.
It would certainly even things up a bit; yes Man City, you can have the best manager but only if you have Guzan in goal.
Read this morning that Guzan is either off to the MLS or considering offers from Premier League clubs??? I wonder who these mythical Premier League clubs in need of a keeper with transparent hands that can't kick straight? If I was him I'd be looking at college courses and a career change.
Maybe if that ridiculous Hart to Everton for £40m deal goes through, Brad could go to Man City.
It would certainly even things up a bit; yes Man City, you can have the best manager but only if you have Guzan in goal.
Read this morning that Guzan is either off to the MLS or considering offers from Premier League clubs??? I wonder who these mythical Premier League clubs in need of a keeper with transparent hands that can't kick straight? If I was him I'd be looking at college courses and a career change.
Maybe if that ridiculous Hart to Everton for £40m deal goes through, Brad could go to Man City.
It would certainly even things up a bit; yes Man City, you can have the best manager but only if you have Guzan in goal.
Best manager? I don't think so.
Eric Black.Read this morning that Guzan is either off to the MLS or considering offers from Premier League clubs??? I wonder who these mythical Premier League clubs in need of a keeper with transparent hands that can't kick straight? If I was him I'd be looking at college courses and a career change.
Maybe if that ridiculous Hart to Everton for £40m deal goes through, Brad could go to Man City.
It would certainly even things up a bit; yes Man City, you can have the best manager but only if you have Guzan in goal.
Best manager? I don't think so.
Who is then?
you're bored on board?There's plenty of more interesting alternatives.
I'd also take the Walsall left back on, can't remember his name but he looked decent the couple of times I've seen him. Give him a season learning alongside Amavi, sack off Cissokho who's another abomination of a footballer.
I'd also take the Walsall left back on, can't remember his name but he looked decent the couple of times I've seen him. Give him a season learning alongside Amavi, sack off Cissokho who's another abomination of a footballer.
Rico Henry. Walsall fan at work rates him.
wouldn't it be funny if small heath came in for the burger eater
Almost certainly rubbish, but twitter rumours that Brighton are about to break their transfer record for Gabby. (Their transfer record is 500k).He'll like it down there. Every other building is a chip shop.
Fingers crossed.
The bearded Spanish defender we had signed for 150,000 last summer.Made Tony Moon look good.
The bearded Spanish defender we had signed for 150,000 last summer.Made Tony Moon look good.
Have we signed technically the 3 worst Spanish footballers ever? Crespo, Cuellar and Luna.Absolutely yes. Shockingly bad. All three. None of them could trap a ball within inside of row z.
Gil has been pretty shit. He has ability, but he's not shown anything near what he should have.What's the Spanish for "all fart and no shit?"
He might not be week in week out PL quality but he'll be plenty good for the Championship.He will be kicked out of games.
He might not be week in week out PL quality but he'll be plenty good for the Championship.
He might not be week in week out PL quality but he'll be plenty good for the Championship.He will be kicked out of games.
He might not be week in week out PL quality but he'll be plenty good for the Championship.
Will he bollocks.
He might not be week in week out PL quality but he'll be plenty good for the Championship.
Will he bollocks.
Gaston Ramirez was rubbish on the same position in the Premier League. Barely even registered. Just as small and lightweight as Gil.
Oh, and foreign. That's the thing that obviously matters in the Championship.
A goal every other game in the last three months and one of the main reasons Boro are in the Premier League.
He might not be week in week out PL quality but he'll be plenty good for the Championship.He will be kicked out of games.
He might not be week in week out PL quality but he'll be plenty good for the Championship.
Will he bollocks.
Gaston Ramirez was rubbish on the same position in the Premier League. Barely even registered. Just as small and lightweight as Gil.
Oh, and foreign. That's the thing that obviously matters in the Championship.
A goal every other game in the last three months and one of the main reasons Boro are in the Premier League.
His heart's never been at Villa. And where did I say it's because he's foreign that he won't do well? I could pick another random Spaniard whose failed in the Championship to counter your Ramirez argument if we're playing that game.
He might not be week in week out PL quality but he'll be plenty good for the Championship.
Will he bollocks.
He might not be week in week out PL quality but he'll be plenty good for the Championship.
Will he bollocks.
Gaston Ramirez was rubbish on the same position in the Premier League. Barely even registered. Just as small and lightweight as Gil.
Oh, and foreign. That's the thing that obviously matters in the Championship.
A goal every other game in the last three months and one of the main reasons Boro are in the Premier League.
His heart's never been at Villa. And where did I say it's because he's foreign that he won't do well? I could pick another random Spaniard whose failed in the Championship to counter your Ramirez argument if we're playing that game.
What game? It's daft to say who will do well at a level below or not.
This time last year nobody would have picked Ramirez to have been the difference between Boro going up or not. Gil might be for us. He might not be and Traore might. Or Veretout might. Or none of them might because they've all left.
Pick whichever Spaniard (Uruguayan) you like. It doesn't change anything.
He might not be week in week out PL quality but he'll be plenty good for the Championship.He will be kicked out of games.
this
him and nancy boy westwood will get eaten alive
I think it's pretty simple when it comes to him: get him the ball in the final third, so that his technical skills (mainly the ability to jink past a man or play a quick one-two) actually has some potential to result in a goal. It's no wonder he looks all fart and no shit when he has to do those things, say, in the middle of the park, where all he can do afterwards really is move it on sideways or backwards as covering defenders arrive.
The same obviously applies to guys like Grealish or Veretout: hopefully the lower standard in the Championship and the arrival of RDM means that can be drastically improved upon.
I think we'll find the Championship is a place where attacking teams will do well, but also we'll need to 'earn the right to play'. Sorry for the cliche.
Rebuild the spine to allow the likes of Grealish to influence games games and we won't be far off.
He might not be week in week out PL quality but he'll be plenty good for the Championship.
Will he bollocks.
Bannan is slightly less foreign, small, not so great in the PL but was selected in the Championship Team of the Season. Not sure whether that supports/disproves either of your arguments but suggests that the smaller players can thrive in the league and/or there is a significant drop in quality.
But rumours like McCormack come from the age old myth that to be successful in the Championship you have to be some battle hardened warrior. People forget that most of the teams promoted in recent years have done so playing attractive flowing football that is of better quality than the bottom 10 PL sides. Buying Championship players is a sure fire way of ensuring you become a Championship team that never get past the play offs and there's plenty of examples of clubs like that.
In the championship a half decent keeper and a goalscorer will get you a long way.But rumours like McCormack come from the age old myth that to be successful in the Championship you have to be some battle hardened warrior. People forget that most of the teams promoted in recent years have done so playing attractive flowing football that is of better quality than the bottom 10 PL sides. Buying Championship players is a sure fire way of ensuring you become a Championship team that never get past the play offs and there's plenty of examples of clubs like that.
You make a good point, except that if you flip it around then a team of Bournemouths' irk could be playing the slow build up game to death, but lacking in goals because they don't have that clinical target man to finish off the moves. You need a balance is all I'm saying, and depending on the team you are playing then a more direct style of play sometimes is a good idea too. Look at what Defoe did this year for Sunderland. Also, I don't see the issue with this idea that to be sucessful in a certain division that it helps to buy players who have a history of doing well in said divison. Not saying that you are sure fire to go up as result, but it must help, and besides if they do a job and get you promotion, the manager is still free to use the extra money to buy someone who might be more suitable for the top flight, but now I am getting ahead of myself!
The players who have done best in the Championship are presumably the ones who have only ever spent one season in it.The ideal balance we need is a few who have played in that league for a few seasons, a couple of decent Premiership players who may be looking for a fresh start, or to wind down (but still with the desire to keep on playing regularly and performing) and then decent youngsters. In recent years Villa haven't done balanced. We've done car crash to varying degrees of self destruction. Now is the time we need balance.
I wonder who made the bid. The new owner hasn't taken over yet, the old one is planning a trip to Vegas to try to get all his money back, most of the board cleared off weeks ago, there's no manager, a whole raft of other staff have been made redundant and every coherent member of the squad is talking feverishly to his agent. With Grealish not yet back from Toulon, my guess would be Gabby.
Don't want loads of young players coming in to be honest. One of the reasons we're in this mess is buying unproven young players with "potential". A few in the 27-30 age group please. Players that are established in the Championship or better still the PL. Especially in midfield where the absence of any leaders who could dominate the opposition last season was probably the main reason we went down. However bad the defence was or is, it didn't help that they were continually put under pressure by having a midfield that just let them walk through it.
He played left back for Norwich. Can't see it myself.Neither can I. He's got more chance of promotion with Norwich than with us.
He played left back for Norwich. Can't see it myself.Neither can I. He's got more chance of promotion with Norwich than with us.
Don't want loads of young players coming in to be honest. One of the reasons we're in this mess is buying unproven young players with "potential". A few in the 27-30 age group please. Players that are established in the Championship or better still the PL. Especially in midfield where the absence of any leaders who could dominate the opposition last season was probably the main reason we went down. However bad the defence was or is, it didn't help that they were continually put under pressure by having a midfield that just let them walk through it.
Don't want loads of young players coming in to be honest. One of the reasons we're in this mess is buying unproven young players with "potential". A few in the 27-30 age group please. Players that are established in the Championship or better still the PL. Especially in midfield where the absence of any leaders who could dominate the opposition last season was probably the main reason we went down. However bad the defence was or is, it didn't help that they were continually put under pressure by having a midfield that just let them walk through it.
Sounds like a good role for Stan Petrov...make him captain again and let him direct traffic from the center of the pitch. Of course, this assumes that his 36 year old body is up to physicalities of the Championship but there's no denying his desire and determination.
I do not bet. It is against my religion.He played left back for Norwich. Can't see it myself.Neither can I. He's got more chance of promotion with Norwich than with us.
I bet he doesn't. Care to make a friendly wager that we finish above Norwich? We might both go back up but I'd argue as bleak as it looks now that by the time everything is in place and the season gets going we will be the better bet to go up.
You're a tightarseoligist too? Peace be upon you.Peace brother.
On the subject of Petrovs return, nice story as it would be, is it even actually permissible?
I recall the ex Liverpool player Mike Marsh retiring due to injury, then deciding to make a comeback sometime later, but because an insurance payout had been taken (either by the club or himself-not sure, perhaps this is the keyin Petrovs case) he was no longer allowed to play in the professional leagues.
In fact, from memory I think he became a semi-pro at Kiddie and when they gained promotion to the football league, he was duty bound to leave and find another elsewhere.
Perhaps the terms and conditions of Stans insurance claim (which I'm fairly sure was confirmed as activated) vary in case to case?
I'd like Meireles. Tough, experienced, and the kind of player who can help coaches get their ideas across to other players by providing an example to follow.
I'd like Meireles. Tough, experienced, and the kind of player who can help coaches get their ideas across to other players by providing an example to follow.
I wonder if there is anything in that Raul Meireles link from a few weeks back. Not only was his one season with Chelsea the one where Di Matteo won his trophies, but also spent eight months at Liverpool when Steve Clarke was assistant manager there.
I wonder if there is anything in that Raul Meireles link from a few weeks back. Not only was his one season with Chelsea the one where Di Matteo won his trophies, but also spent eight months at Liverpool when Steve Clarke was assistant manager there.
And on the same note....Matya Vydra.
Clarke took him to West Brom and also signed him for Reading. Lost his way a bit recently but was excellent for Watford in the league three seasons ago.
I think Westwood at Sheffield Wednesday would be a decent shout for keeper.
I think Westwood at Sheffield Wednesday would be a decent shout for keeper.
Vydra is a quality little player. I would take Mareilles as well. And Robson Kanu on a free. All 3 better than what we will be left with in their positions
Don't these transfers nearly always turn out shit for us?
Player has had a couple of poor seasons, looked quality, just needs confidence..... comes here, does fuck all, drains the wage bill, leaves for nothing.
We could do with a few players on the up, not on the down.
Rudi Justhead off to Portugal apparently - up to £7m to Sporting Lisbon..I like Rudy. I think he'll score goals for us at Champ level but 7 million? I'll drive him there myself.
Rudi Justhead off to Portugal apparently - up to £7m to Sporting Lisbon..
I think Westwood at Sheffield Wednesday would be a decent shout for keeper.
I think Westwood at Wednesday as a midfielder would be even better.
Rudi Justhead off to Portugal apparently - up to £7m to Sporting Lisbon..
Wishful thinking? Nothing in the papers here but Sporting will have money to spend once they sell Slimani to Leicester or Juventus.
Rudi Justhead off to Portugal apparently - up to £7m to Sporting Lisbon..I like Rudy. I think he'll score goals for us at Champ level but 7 million? I'll drive him there myself.
I'd also take 14 mill for Amavi. He'll be a bloody good player one day but that's a huge fee. We have to turn a profit on certain players when we get a chance.
I will be curious to see what kind of players RDM will go for.
I'd take Steven Taylor on a free. He'd do a job at this level.
*Ducks for cover*
Liverpool are sniffing round apparently. It was on t'internet so it must be true. I could see Klopp turning him into a hell of a player to be fair.Rudi Justhead off to Portugal apparently - up to £7m to Sporting Lisbon..I like Rudy. I think he'll score goals for us at Champ level but 7 million? I'll drive him there myself.
I'd also take 14 mill for Amavi. He'll be a bloody good player one day but that's a huge fee. We have to turn a profit on certain players when we get a chance.
I will be curious to see what kind of players RDM will go for.
Have I missed something? Who's offered £14M for Amavi?
Rather keep him. He's a proven goal scorer at this level and there are other players in the exit queue ahead of him.
I think Westwood at Sheffield Wednesday would be a decent shout for keeper.
I think Westwood at Wednesday as a midfielder would be even better.
probably be better in goal than in midfield
Rather keep him. He's a proven goal scorer at this level and there are other players in the exit queue ahead of him.
£7m would go along way towards replacing him with someone who can score at this level and the next.
Rather keep him. He's a proven goal scorer at this level and there are other players in the exit queue ahead of him.
£7m would go along way towards replacing him with someone who can score at this level and the next.
Gestede reminds me of Bent; they have one or two aspects that they're great at but the rest of their game is awful, consequently you have to build the team around them to compensate/compliment their strengths/weaknesses. Like Bent, I do not think Gestede is good enough to justify that level of faith. He's useful off the bench, but that's about it.
I think Westwood at Sheffield Wednesday would be a decent shout for keeper.
I think Westwood at Wednesday as a midfielder would be even better.
probably be better in goal than in midfield
Whoosh...
If we played with width and someone who who can actually cross, Gestede would probably score a fair few. Depends if we sign the players to get the most out of him.
I'd purge the lot of them. Fire sale...all sensible offers considered.
It's time for a fresh start.
Whilst we may want to get rid of people, I don't think selling anyone and everyone at a loss is the answer. We always seems to sell cheap (except for the good players we lost post MON). There are players that are toxic and those that are perhaps not good enough for us down the line. Yes, if the toxic ones get an offer then take it but selling players on the cheap for the sake of it isn't an answer. The likes of Westwood could be useful in the Championship so I'd not be in a rush to get rid. Look at Lowton, good player that was moved on because he was deemed crap (for me, he was decent but was at the club at the wrong time) yet he's a PL player and we're in the Championship.
Whilst we may want to get rid of people, I don't think selling anyone and everyone at a loss is the answer. We always seems to sell cheap (except for the good players we lost post MON). There are players that are toxic and those that are perhaps not good enough for us down the line. Yes, if the toxic ones get an offer then take it but selling players on the cheap for the sake of it isn't an answer. The likes of Westwood could be useful in the Championship so I'd not be in a rush to get rid. Look at Lowton, good player that was moved on because he was deemed crap (for me, he was decent but was at the club at the wrong time) yet he's a PL player and we're in the Championship.
the thing with westwood is he might do a job in the championship but he is nowhere near good enough for the pl.
if we get an offer of a couple of million fuck him off and he can go and point at another club
Selling players is easier said than done. There has to be a buyer first who is willing to pay a few and then absorb the wages of a player formerly of the PL. If we find a PL buyer then great, but then the challenge will be that the players we want to sell hardly did themselves any favours at that level last season. And getting a player who is on a very good salary to just go away isn't going to happen. What we can't have is a bomb squad distraction and neither can we have a situation that if Bacuna or Richards is still here in August the fans giving them abuse. It simply won't help the situation and our ultimate goal of getting promoted.
If only we could get the Richards from him Man City and England days. To see him and Amavi marauding from full back would be pretty useful in any division. Sadly, I think he's done.
Great to be back talking more positively about transfers again!
I'm sure Burnley were interested in Westwood
I think Westwood at Sheffield Wednesday would be a decent shout for keeper.
I agree with Ozz about Westwood. Continuity is important, and Westwood will probably be fine in the Championship. He also doesn't strike me as a bad 'un, unlike the likes of Gabby, so there's no reason for him to go on that sort of basis.Agreed. He's fine for where we are, but not for where we want to be. There are a number of positions that are a greater priority.
I'm sure Burnley were interested in Westwood
Im fed up of all the Westwood critics, he's a decent lad just struggles for confidence hopefully a drop down a division and potentially playing in a winning team will see him grow as a player. One of the only ones who looked like he gave a toss last season so for that alone he should keep his place in the new Villa side.
Im fed up of all the Westwood critics, he's a decent lad just struggles for confidence hopefully a drop down a division and potentially playing in a winning team will see him grow as a player. One of the only ones who looked like he gave a toss last season so for that alone he should keep his place in the new Villa side.
Don't think Vardy will fit in at Arsenal at all. He thrived on Leicester playing quick, direct, counter-attacking football where Vardy could find lots of space quickly. Arsenal's propensity is for million pass build ups through the eye of a needle. Should have stayed as big fish in a smaller pond - Leicester have got Chumps League football after all
Im fed up of all the Westwood critics, he's a decent lad just struggles for confidence hopefully a drop down a division and potentially playing in a winning team will see him grow as a player. One of the only ones who looked like he gave a toss last season so for that alone he should keep his place in the new Villa side.
Vardy will struggle to get as many goals in that Arsenal side as Giroud has this year, he'll get a few being slipped in behind by Ozil & Wilshire but he won't have the kick and rush that he has thrived upon this yr at Leicester
As for Westwood, not a problem with him staying, big problem if he remains our set piece taker as he is without doubt the worst I can remember
Im fed up of all the Westwood critics, he's a decent lad just struggles for confidence hopefully a drop down a division and potentially playing in a winning team will see him grow as a player. One of the only ones who looked like he gave a toss last season so for that alone he should keep his place in the new Villa side.
How many games does he need to get confident? Im sure he is a great bloke but he is a average footballer. Oh and he does point a lot and delivers terrible corners
Vardy will struggle to get as many goals in that Arsenal side as Giroud has this year, he'll get a few being slipped in behind by Ozil & Wilshire but he won't have the kick and rush that he has thrived upon this yr at Leicester
Vardy will struggle to get as many goals in that Arsenal side as Giroud has this year, he'll get a few being slipped in behind by Ozil & Wilshire but he won't have the kick and rush that he has thrived upon this yr at Leicester
I hope we soon have a striker that struggles to 24 goals. I rate Giroud but appear to be in a minority as both arsenal and french fans give him shit. I see your point though, as teams defend so deep it is hard for the strikers to shine in Arsenal's system, conversely the attacking midfielders making runs from slightly deeper should have a field day.
On a slight tangent, but I think it is poor form of Arsenal to make this bid - and it become public - just before the Euros.
Vardy will struggle to get as many goals in that Arsenal side as Giroud has this year, he'll get a few being slipped in behind by Ozil & Wilshire but he won't have the kick and rush that he has thrived upon this yr at Leicester
I hope we soon have a striker that struggles to 24 goals. I rate Giroud but appear to be in a minority as both arsenal and french fans give him shit. I see your point though, as teams defend so deep it is hard for the strikers to shine in Arsenal's system, conversely the attacking midfielders making runs from slightly deeper should have a field day.
On a slight tangent, but I think it is poor form of Arsenal to make this bid - and it become public - just before the Euros.
It happened to us, it happened to Everton when they looked like breaking through - the so called big clubs raid when they feel threatened - Vardy will just be the first, Kante & Mahrez will def be targets, wouldn't be surprised if Schmeichel ends up at Old Trafford if De Gea finally goes to Real.
My point on Vardy is that his work rate and chasing of lost causes earnt so many goals, Arse only want to score the perfect goal so he'll be running on a road to nowhere most of the time.
Im fed up of all the Westwood critics, he's a decent lad just struggles for confidence hopefully a drop down a division and potentially playing in a winning team will see him grow as a player. One of the only ones who looked like he gave a toss last season so for that alone he should keep his place in the new Villa side.
How many games does he need to get confident? Im sure he is a great bloke but he is a average footballer. Oh and he does point a lot and delivers terrible corners
Agree 100% with you. Westwood plays in a position where he has to be involved in the game all of the time but he goes missing. He is too weak for this position and does not have the pace to play further forward or widje. His energy levels are very low.
Im fed up of all the Westwood critics, he's a decent lad just struggles for confidence hopefully a drop down a division and potentially playing in a winning team will see him grow as a player. One of the only ones who looked like he gave a toss last season so for that alone he should keep his place in the new Villa side.
How many games does he need to get confident? Im sure he is a great bloke but he is a average footballer. Oh and he does point a lot and delivers terrible corners
Agree 100% with you. Westwood plays in a position where he has to be involved in the game all of the time but he goes missing. He is too weak for this position and does not have the pace to play further forward or wide. His energy levels are very low.
Westwood is not the all around midfielder as he is too lightweight but thst doesn't mean he can't be an asset. He is definitely not a defensive player so should be played a bit further forward to make better use if his passing ability which is something successive managers have failed to do.
Westwood is not the all around midfielder as he is too lightweight but thst doesn't mean he can't be an asset. He is definitely not a defensive player so should be played a bit further forward to make better use if his passing ability which is something successive managers have failed to do.
Not quick enough in the head to play further forward.
Vardy will struggle to get as many goals in that Arsenal side as Giroud has this year, he'll get a few being slipped in behind by Ozil & Wilshire but he won't have the kick and rush that he has thrived upon this yr at Leicester
I hope we soon have a striker that struggles to 24 goals. I rate Giroud but appear to be in a minority as both arsenal and french fans give him shit. I see your point though, as teams defend so deep it is hard for the strikers to shine in Arsenal's system, conversely the attacking midfielders making runs from slightly deeper should have a field day.
On a slight tangent, but I think it is poor form of Arsenal to make this bid - and it become public - just before the Euros.
It happened to us, it happened to Everton when they looked like breaking through - the so called big clubs raid when they feel threatened - Vardy will just be the first, Kante & Mahrez will def be targets, wouldn't be surprised if Schmeichel ends up at Old Trafford if De Gea finally goes to Real.
My point on Vardy is that his work rate and chasing of lost causes earnt so many goals, Arse only want to score the perfect goal so he'll be running on a road to nowhere most of the time.
It happened to Southampton as well.
Westwood is not the all around midfielder as he is too lightweight but thst doesn't mean he can't be an asset. He is definitely not a defensive player so should be played a bit further forward to make better use if his passing ability which is something successive managers have failed to do.
Not quick enough in the head to play further forward.
He'd be fine on the right side of a middle two in a 4-4-2 or on the right side of the diamond with over-lapping full-backs.
Vardy will struggle to get as many goals in that Arsenal side as Giroud has this year, he'll get a few being slipped in behind by Ozil & Wilshire but he won't have the kick and rush that he has thrived upon this yr at Leicester
I hope we soon have a striker that struggles to 24 goals. I rate Giroud but appear to be in a minority as both arsenal and french fans give him shit. I see your point though, as teams defend so deep it is hard for the strikers to shine in Arsenal's system, conversely the attacking midfielders making runs from slightly deeper should have a field day.
On a slight tangent, but I think it is poor form of Arsenal to make this bid - and it become public - just before the Euros.
It happened to us, it happened to Everton when they looked like breaking through - the so called big clubs raid when they feel threatened - Vardy will just be the first, Kante & Mahrez will def be targets, wouldn't be surprised if Schmeichel ends up at Old Trafford if De Gea finally goes to Real.
My point on Vardy is that his work rate and chasing of lost causes earnt so many goals, Arse only want to score the perfect goal so he'll be running on a road to nowhere most of the time.
Im fed up of all the Westwood critics, he's a decent lad just struggles for confidence hopefully a drop down a division and potentially playing in a winning team will see him grow as a player. One of the only ones who looked like he gave a toss last season so for that alone he should keep his place in the new Villa side.
How many games does he need to get confident? Im sure he is a great bloke but he is a average footballer. Oh and he does point a lot and delivers terrible corners
Agree 100% with you. Westwood plays in a position where he has to be involved in the game all of the time but he goes missing. He is too weak for this position and does not have the pace to play further forward or wide. His energy levels are very low.
I've very much been a critic of Westwood, and I'm truly sick of his wafty floaty corners after this season, but I still have a sneaking feeling that there could still be a half decent player there somewhere.
With some proper coaching, and a decent leader on the pitch alongside him (someone like Petrov) and I think he could still be of use. I may be clutching at straws, and my opinions have softened two weeks into the close season, but there are players more deserving of a shove through exit doors than Ashley.
I'd just like to say that I think £20m for a 29 year old after one very good top flight season is a bit mental. Not a Villa related transfer I know but just makes me think how crazy things are now, imo.
I'd just like to say that I think £20m for a 29 year old after one very good top flight season is a bit mental. Not a Villa related transfer I know but just makes me think how crazy things are now, imo.
Mickey Quinn on Talksport has just asked a journalist if other clubs could outbid arsenal now they've matched the clause.
I'd just like to say that I think £20m for a 29 year old after one very good top flight season is a bit mental. Not a Villa related transfer I know but just makes me think how crazy things are now, imo.I'd just like to say that I think £20m for a 29 year old after one very good top flight season is a bit mental. Not a Villa related transfer I know but just makes me think how crazy things are now, imo.
Mickey Quinn on Talksport has just asked a journalist if other clubs could outbid arsenal now they've matched the clause.
Not the brightest is he? Can't stand him, illiterate bloke. If Talk Sport got rid of him and Brazil it would be worth listening too, although Cundy is a cock as well.
Mickey Quinn on Talksport has just asked a journalist if other clubs could outbid arsenal now they've matched the clause.
Not the brightest is he? Can't stand him, illiterate bloke. If Talk Sport got rid of him and Brazil it would be worth listening too, although Cundy is a cock as well.
I'd just like to say that I think £20m for a 29 year old after one very good top flight season is a bit mental. Not a Villa related transfer I know but just makes me think how crazy things are now, imo.
Mickey Quinn on Talksport has just asked a journalist if other clubs could outbid arsenal now they've matched the clause.
Not the brightest is he? Can't stand him, illiterate bloke. If Talk Sport got rid of him and Brazil it would be worth listening too, although Cundy is a cock as well.
I'd just like to say that I think £20m for a 29 year old after one very good top flight season is a bit mental. Not a Villa related transfer I know but just makes me think how crazy things are now, imo.
Mickey Quinn on Talksport has just asked a journalist if other clubs could outbid arsenal now they've matched the clause.
Not the brightest is he? Can't stand him, illiterate bloke. If Talk Sport got rid of him and Brazil it would be worth listening too, although Cundy is a cock as well.
for me, when we signed Westwood it was always a bit of a 'meh' signing. He had a couple of seasons where he did quite well, as you rightly say, has since regressed. Maybe the new coaches will give him a new lease of life, but as far as I'm concerned he was a regular starter in that cluster fuck of a side last season. Don't care if he stays or goes, in all honesty. We could probably find a better player for not much of an outlay in fee and wages.Im fed up of all the Westwood critics, he's a decent lad just struggles for confidence hopefully a drop down a division and potentially playing in a winning team will see him grow as a player. One of the only ones who looked like he gave a toss last season so for that alone he should keep his place in the new Villa side.
How many games does he need to get confident? Im sure he is a great bloke but he is a average footballer. Oh and he does point a lot and delivers terrible corners
Agree 100% with you. Westwood plays in a position where he has to be involved in the game all of the time but he goes missing. He is too weak for this position and does not have the pace to play further forward or wide. His energy levels are very low.
I've very much been a critic of Westwood, and I'm truly sick of his wafty floaty corners after this season, but I still have a sneaking feeling that there could still be a half decent player there somewhere.
With some proper coaching, and a decent leader on the pitch alongside him (someone like Petrov) and I think he could still be of use. I may be clutching at straws, and my opinions have softened two weeks into the close season, but there are players more deserving of a shove through exit doors than Ashley.
its always jam tomorrow
westwood has had four seasons and if anything he's regressed
we make excuses, blame coaches, whatever the fact is we have too many players who are not up to the job and the longer we keep them at the club the longer we are going to be in decline
What couple of seasons are these?
He did OK-ish in the second half of Lambert's first season but since then has been largely ineffective.
Looking at the appearances the likes of he and Hutton have clocked up over the last four years goes some way to explaining why we'll be in the Championship next season.
They are the kind of players that should have been back-up options at best, not first team mainstays.
Hutton is a joke of a player who gets by because with his dirty tackles it appears he tries. I haven't seen many fullbacks at the Villa who are poorer positionally than Hutton and as for his attempts at marauding forward, he might as well fuck off because he's either not arsed enough to get back or he can't because he's a knacker.
Either way, terrible footballer.
What couple of seasons are these?his first and second. He went to shit when the rest of the team did the last two. I'm not defending him- if you read the rest of my post I said I couldn't give a fuck if he stays or goes.
He did OK-ish in the second half of Lambert's first season but since then has been largely ineffective.
Looking at the appearances the likes of he and Hutton have clocked up over the last four years goes some way to explaining why we'll be in the Championship next season.
They are the kind of players that should have been back-up options at best, not first team mainstays.
I think everyone would agree that neither Westwood or Hutton as good enough for Villa, however looking at the players who we need to kick out as a first wave - Lescott, Richards, Richardson, Guzan, Okore and Bacuna they may well survive the cull.i think I read in the last couple of days (Graun?) that Mourinho wants Carrick for another season.
Impossible to bring 11 new players in and expect the team to automatically gel.
Personally I would be looking at the likes of Marshall at Cardiff, Cleverly at Everton who has struggled to hold a first team place down, perhaps get Carrick in as our Captain and one or two from the new management contacts.
I read somewhere last week that Carrick has been offered another twelve months at OT but I still think we should have ago at getting him in and rebuilding the team around him. The man is a class act and the type of player that others would look up to and hopefully try to emulate him.I think everyone would agree that neither Westwood or Hutton as good enough for Villa, however looking at the players who we need to kick out as a first wave - Lescott, Richards, Richardson, Guzan, Okore and Bacuna they may well survive the cull.i think I read in the last couple of days (Graun?) that Mourinho wants Carrick for another season.
Impossible to bring 11 new players in and expect the team to automatically gel.
Personally I would be looking at the likes of Marshall at Cardiff, Cleverly at Everton who has struggled to hold a first team place down, perhaps get Carrick in as our Captain and one or two from the new management contacts.
I read somewhere last week that Carrick has been offered another twelve months at OT but I still think we should have ago at getting him in and rebuilding the team around him. The man is a class act and the type of player that others would look up to and hopefully try to emulate him.I think everyone would agree that neither Westwood or Hutton as good enough for Villa, however looking at the players who we need to kick out as a first wave - Lescott, Richards, Richardson, Guzan, Okore and Bacuna they may well survive the cull.i think I read in the last couple of days (Graun?) that Mourinho wants Carrick for another season.
Impossible to bring 11 new players in and expect the team to automatically gel.
Personally I would be looking at the likes of Marshall at Cardiff, Cleverly at Everton who has struggled to hold a first team place down, perhaps get Carrick in as our Captain and one or two from the new management contacts.
top class keeper for our first signing (and last, if it's the only signing we make). Gotta get shot of Guzan. I class him alongside the likes of Gabby and Richards in players that must leave. You must have a solid keeper for the defence to have confidence in.I read somewhere last week that Carrick has been offered another twelve months at OT but I still think we should have ago at getting him in and rebuilding the team around him. The man is a class act and the type of player that others would look up to and hopefully try to emulate him.I think everyone would agree that neither Westwood or Hutton as good enough for Villa, however looking at the players who we need to kick out as a first wave - Lescott, Richards, Richardson, Guzan, Okore and Bacuna they may well survive the cull.i think I read in the last couple of days (Graun?) that Mourinho wants Carrick for another season.
Impossible to bring 11 new players in and expect the team to automatically gel.
Personally I would be looking at the likes of Marshall at Cardiff, Cleverly at Everton who has struggled to hold a first team place down, perhaps get Carrick in as our Captain and one or two from the new management contacts.
He's a top player, even though his legs are gone, but it sounds pretty likely that he'll be signing for 12 more months at United, and even if he doesn't, there'll be plenty of suitors in the PL who would want him.
A commanding midfielder would be top of my wishlist for summer business though - we obviously need reinforcements just about everywhere, but our midfielders are just so limited: Sanchez and Gana can only break up play (although they do it well), Westwood is tidy but that's it, Veretout is a WIP and might leave anyway, and we obviously can't treat Gary Gardner as a saviour.
Dorrans was outstanding in the Championship under Di Matteo. Thought he was older the 29
Report in a paper saying today that Swansea might feel looking to move Neil Taylor on this summer. Would be a good buy for us and would solve our long running LB problem.
First bit of business i'd do is get on the blower to Everton and ask em if we can have Barry.
He's got 2 years left in him and would be the ideal captain IMO, and the ideal coach once he's stopped playing should he wish to move into that side of the game.
Yup and Osman.
First bit of business i'd do is get on the blower to Everton and ask em if we can have Barry.
He's got 2 years left in him and would be the ideal captain IMO, and the ideal coach once he's stopped playing should he wish to move into that side of the game.
First bit of business i'd do is get on the blower to Everton and ask em if we can have Barry.
He's got 2 years left in him and would be the ideal captain IMO, and the ideal coach once he's stopped playing should he wish to move into that side of the game.
He was also their player of the season last year.
I like Jordan Amavi myself
True but a new manager there may decide he wants to sign a top midfielder that's 10 years younger. I don't think Everton will be all that short of cash, particularly as I think they'll struggle to keep hold of Lukaku. It is unlikely I grant you, but I'm keeping my fingers crossed he'll become surplus there and would fancy coming back. I didn't expect Downing to end up in the Championship following a decent season for West Ham, and arguably his best season in the Premiership (well, for 3/4 of it. He tailed off at the end).
First bit of business i'd do is get on the blower to Everton and ask em if we can have Barry.
He's got 2 years left in him and would be the ideal captain IMO, and the ideal coach once he's stopped playing should he wish to move into that side of the game.
He was also their player of the season last year.
Dorrans was outstanding in the Championship under Di Matteo. Thought he was older the 29
He's precisely one of those in between players that thrive at that level but disappear in the PL. He'd be a good addition.
I'd take him.Dorrans was outstanding in the Championship under Di Matteo. Thought he was older the 29
He's precisely one of those in between players that thrive at that level but disappear in the PL. He'd be a good addition.
Good signing, if true.
I like Jordan Amavi myself
So do Liverpool apparently
Report in a paper saying today that Swansea might feel looking to move Neil Taylor on this summer. Would be a good buy for us and would solve our long running LB problem.
I like Jordan Amavi myself
I'd take him.Dorrans was outstanding in the Championship under Di Matteo. Thought he was older the 29
He's precisely one of those in between players that thrive at that level but disappear in the PL. He'd be a good addition.
Good signing, if true.
As for Carrick, I think it's a no go. Jose doesn't mind a few oldies around. He'll rate Carrick. No doubt.
Report in a paper saying today that Swansea might feel looking to move Neil Taylor on this summer. Would be a good buy for us and would solve our long running LB problem.
I like Jordan Amavi myself
Not sure LB is going to be Amavi's position in the long run. In the short window we saw him, as good as he looked going forward he was suspect defensively.
100% this, far too much of a bottler to be a defender
however as a left sided midfielder he could be top drawer
Dorrans from Norwich would be a significant upgrade on Westwood.
Rumoured that Patrick Bamford could be set to become his first signing......
Rumoured that Patrick Bamford could be set to become his first signing......
The last thing we need to do is bring in more players who haven't been good for a few years, possibly low on confidence, looking for a new start.
Rumoured that Patrick Bamford could be set to become his first signing......
Is the rumour about a permanent deal or a loan deal?
I tend to agree that he has failed to convince, although I guess that RdM might know him from his Chelski youth days.The last thing we need to do is bring in more players who haven't been good for a few years, possibly low on confidence, looking for a new start.
I don't see why not. It might not have worked with Micah Richards but it doesn't mean it can't with somebody else.
Bamford would be good - did well at Middlesbrough couple of seasons agoInteresting that the rumours relate to strikers when it's our back five that really is crap.
The last thing we need to do is bring in more players who haven't been good for a few years, possibly low on confidence, looking for a new start.
I don't see why not. It might not have worked with Micah Richards but it doesn't mean it can't with somebody else.
Bamford would be good - did well at Middlesbrough couple of seasons agoInteresting that the rumours relate to strikers when it's our back five that really is crap.
Rumoured that Patrick Bamford could be set to become his first signing......
Is the rumour about a permanent deal or a loan deal?
Not sure, didnt go into detail. I would hope it would be a loan with an exercise clause, at the back end. We have got so many of these wrong recently, Im sick of seeing wasters on the payroll
10m for Bamford? who's on the crack?
Hopefully not us
The last thing we need to do is bring in more players who haven't been good for a few years, possibly low on confidence, looking for a new start.
I don't see why not. It might not have worked with Micah Richards but it doesn't mean it can't with somebody else.
It's not just Richards is it. Sinclair, Ireland, Cole, Richardson, Senderos, Cissokho, Kozak, Given, Hutton. From what I can recall to various degrees none of them had been playing constant first team football week in week out. When was the last time we took a player who just needed some confidence and regular football and they were worth it? I genuinely can't recall one for a while.
Bamford has promise but £10m is a bit mental for a striker whose last goal was April 2015.
It's also very difficult if you don't score. It adds pressure that's not needed to the defence. I think the whole team needs work to help the back 4.Point taken :-)
The last thing we need to do is bring in more players who haven't been good for a few years, possibly low on confidence, looking for a new start.
I don't see why not. It might not have worked with Micah Richards but it doesn't mean it can't with somebody else.
It's not just Richards is it. Sinclair, Ireland, Cole, Richardson, Senderos, Cissokho, Kozak, Given, Hutton. From what I can recall to various degrees none of them had been playing constant first team football week in week out. When was the last time we took a player who just needed some confidence and regular football and they were worth it? I genuinely can't recall one for a while.
Most of those you have mentioned are in their 30's. The likes of Vydra and Bamford are still in their early 20's, there's a bit of a difference. Like Ad's says, Bamford for example has still got time on his side to improve.
10m for Bamford? who's on the crack?
Hopefully not us
With Bamford the quoted fee is in part for past performance but the larger percentage for potential. He's done well at Championship level, the unknown is whether or not with some stability in his career if he could carry that on into the PL? He has a lot of years in front of him and it seems as though he needs a proper run of games and a permanent home.
With Bamford the quoted fee is in part for past performance but the larger percentage for potential. He's done well at Championship level, the unknown is whether or not with some stability in his career if he could carry that on into the PL? He has a lot of years in front of him and it seems as though he needs a proper run of games and a permanent home.
Moneyball signing...
Especially when it's used inaccurately. Bean would be turning in his grave if he was dead.
Bamford has promise but £10m is a bit mental for a striker whose last goal was April 2015.
Agreed it does seem a lot.
That said, if Bamford and Rudy scored 40 odd goals between them, then it would be a drop in the ocean in the long term.
With Bamford the quoted fee is in part for past performance but the larger percentage for potential. He's done well at Championship level, the unknown is whether or not with some stability in his career if he could carry that on into the PL? He has a lot of years in front of him and it seems as though he needs a proper run of games and a permanent home.
Moneyball signing...
There has got to be Godwin's law about the term 'Moneyball signing'? :)
Steve Taylor released by Newcastle but model pro and would put likes of Richards and Leascott to shame with his no no sense attitude in defence .
Steven Taylor makes Vlaar look like Cal Ripken jr!
One for the baseball fans there.
I've heard the True Geordie mention Taylor a few times.Ahh ok well be comes across decent off field never heard any attitude and just unlucky injuries. But I don't know him or anything just sounds like he could captain and experienced
Let's just say it's never positive.
Steven Taylor makes Vlaar look like Cal Ripken jr!
One for the baseball fans there.
Steven Taylor makes a pile of shit look like Paul McGrath.
One for the football fans there.
I've heard the True Geordie mention Taylor a few times.Ahh ok well be comes across decent off field never heard any attitude and just unlucky injuries. But I don't know him or anything just sounds like he could captain and experienced
Let's just say it's never positive.
Lescott
Pile of Shit
lots of space
more space
a bit more
Taylor
Richards
I've heard the True Geordie mention Taylor a few times.Ahh ok well be comes across decent off field never heard any attitude and just unlucky injuries. But I don't know him or anything just sounds like he could captain and experienced
Let's just say it's never positive.
Oh yeah I have no idea what he's like as a bloke. As a footballer though I don't rate him much at all and I doubt too many people do. Some interesting names on that list. I don't know enough about quite a few of them to make a reasoned judgement.
Foristieri (sp) might be an interesting choice but I'd prefer to see which head Grealish plays with this season as he could be outstanding in the championship.
Lescott
Pile of Shit
lots of space
more space
a bit more
Taylor
Richards
No. No it wouldn't. Stop talking about Taylor, he is utter garbage and the last thing we need is to be linked to shite like that.Lescott
Pile of Shit
lots of space
more space
a bit more
Taylor
Richards
Amen. I take that but would be a fully fit Taylor first
Some interesting ones here:
http://www.transfermarkt.com/premier-league/endendevertraege/wettbewerb/GB1
http://www.transfermarkt.com/championship/endendevertraege/wettbewerb/GB2
A few of them I would be in for now, Tom Carroll, Tom Huddlestone, Ahmed Elmohammedy, Junior Hoilett. Id probably also take a gamble on Gaston Ramirez - Theres talent there that has never been fulfilled in this country. Little bit alarmed to see Donacien in there as well- - I thought he showed alot of potential whenever ive watched him. Does anyone know if we are renewing??
i am serious get him in on a free, his best mate is looking to make a comeback. why not?
Steve Taylor released by Newcastle but model pro and would put likes of Richards and Leascott to shame with his no no sense attitude in defence . Also good enough expereince and worth having as a leader .
Taylor is better than Richards or lescott at centre back and has a better attitude. So would bring expereince. I mean he's a no nonsene defender and puts his body online. Reminds me of a cross between Dunne and Collins. The one concern would be injury otherwise he's a captain material and decent championship level player
berbatov? fuck me!
a player past his best, doesnt really give a shit and looking for one last pay day
what could possibly go wrong?
Our first signing under the new regime will probably say a lot about the next couple of years...Carlton Palmer, come on down.
berbatov? fuck me!
a player past his best, doesnt really give a shit and looking for one last pay day
what could possibly go wrong?
The great thing about Berbatov is that every time he gets a year older we drop a league so he can continue to be 'on the radar' well into his twilight years.The problem with signing Berbatov (for any club) is the taxi required to get him round the pitch during match days. The groundsman would be up in in arms at the damage to the pitch.
Berbatov? Really? I reckon RDM will want much more mobility, decent player though he is.I reckon I'm more mobile than Berbatov and I'm about 5kg overweight and shuffling around on crutches after a cartilage op.
Berbatov? Really? I reckon RDM will want much more mobility, decent player though he is.I reckon I'm more mobile than Berbatov and I'm about 5kg overweight and shuffling around on crutches after a cartilage op.
and you can use your crutches to point with great authority. You can take over the pointing duties from Westwood.Berbatov? Really? I reckon RDM will want much more mobility, decent player though he is.I reckon I'm more mobile than Berbatov and I'm about 5kg overweight and shuffling around on crutches after a cartilage op.
You're in. Surely better than Gabby! You're starting up top. Use those crutches to hold the ball up. Get it wide, get in the box.
Berbatov? Really? I reckon RDM will want much more mobility, decent player though he is.I reckon I'm more mobile than Berbatov and I'm about 5kg overweight and shuffling around on crutches after a cartilage op.
You're in. Surely better than Gabby! You're starting up top. Use those crutches to hold the ball up. Get it wide, get in the box.
Berbatov? Really? I reckon RDM will want much more mobility, decent player though he is.I reckon I'm more mobile than Berbatov and I'm about 5kg overweight and shuffling around on crutches after a cartilage op.
You're in. Surely better than Gabby! You're starting up top. Use those crutches to hold the ball up. Get it wide, get in the box.
the lunchbox
or picnic hamper
Berbatov? Really? I reckon RDM will want much more mobility, decent player though he is.I reckon I'm more mobile than Berbatov and I'm about 5kg overweight and shuffling around on crutches after a cartilage op.
You're in. Surely better than Gabby! You're starting up top. Use those crutches to hold the ball up. Get it wide, get in the box.
the lunchbox
or picnic hamper
Right, I am naming you captain too. You are to give less of a fuck than Richards, clearly you have an extremely difficult job to do because Micah was excellent at doing this.
IMO Dwight Gayle is shit. Just like Gabby used to Gayle seems to manage a good month each year and is wank the rest of the time.
He's got a much better eye for goal than flabby and much better movement.
He's got a much better eye for goal than flabby and much better movement.
He's not a great player but we are talking about a division where Rudy got 20. In fact I'd bet if Gabby gave 1/10 of a shit and got himself into prime shape he'd bag quite a few. But that's not going to happen because he's a selfish waster. Gayle would score goals if the service was good. Another player who would be perfectly fine at our current level, but utterly replaceable when we go back up.
He's not a great player but we are talking about a division where Rudy got 20. In fact I'd bet if Gabby gave 1/10 of a shit and got himself into prime shape he'd bag quite a few. But that's not going to happen because he's a selfish waster. Gayle would score goals if the service was good. Another player who would be perfectly fine at our current level, but utterly replaceable when we go back up.
A good season in the Championship would see him retain his value as well. I would like to see him or Wells from Huddersfield, but wouldn't be overly disappointed with Bamford either.
In terms of players coming in, I think there has to be an acceptance of where we are at the moment. We're shopping in Aldi now.
IMO Dwight Gayle is shit. Just like Gabby used to Gayle seems to manage a good month each year and is wank the rest of the time.That's not an opinion that's a fact.
He's got a much better eye for goal than flabby and much better movement.Really? How many has he scored?
Steve Taylor released by Newcastle but model pro and would put likes of Richards and Leascott to shame with his no no sense attitude in defence . Also good enough expereince and worth having as a leader .
Ask yourself this Footy. Taylor has played his whole career at Newcastle who got relegated with us. They don't even see him as a useful reserve centre back. So why would he be a good signing for us?
13 goals in 27 for Posh
25 goals in 74 (37) from the bench for Palace
Suggests he has an eye for goal
13 goals in 27 for Posh
25 goals in 74 (37) from the bench for Palace
Suggests he has an eye for goal
It's not a bad record once you account for the fact that he's made a lot of sub appearances (and that 13 in 29 in his only season in the Championship equates to 20 over 46 games), but he doesn't seem to add much else, so unless we could get him for a couple of million and not count on him as our main striker, I think we need to try for someone a little more well-rounded.
He's not a great player but we are talking about a division where Rudy got 20. In fact I'd bet if Gabby gave 1/10 of a shit and got himself into prime shape he'd bag quite a few. But that's not going to happen because he's a selfish waster. Gayle would score goals if the service was good. Another player who would be perfectly fine at our current level, but utterly replaceable when we go back up.
A good season in the Championship would see him retain his value as well. I would like to see him or Wells from Huddersfield, but wouldn't be overly disappointed with Bamford either.
In terms of players coming in, I think there has to be an acceptance of where we are at the moment. We're shopping in Aldi now.
Palace have been shit up front for years and he still can't nail down a spot. I know we're in the first division but let's not spend £8m on him and then get promoted and have both him and Gestede incapable of playing in the top division.
Palace have been shit up front for years and he still can't nail down a spot. I know we're in the first division but let's not spend £8m on him and then get promoted and have both him and Gestede incapable of playing in the top division.
If they're both so shit and will be playing for us why do you think we'd get promoted?
I don't think you can just build a team around a Gestede in the Premier League these days, a guy who stands in the area and hopes to get his head on something, everywhere else he's a total liability.
I've heard the True Geordie mention Taylor a few times.
Let's just say it's never positive.
Benteke is as likely as Xia pulling off a mask and revealing himself to be Doug Ellis.
Rumours on twitter of Tommy Elphick
was good in the elephant man though
was good in the elephant man though
Was a bit much taking this selfie with the star of the film though.
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/q2KEN8XBL00/hqdefault.jpg)
I met Michael Elphick once back in the 80's at Truckfest when I was working for Scania
He was a guest on the local radio show that went out live from our show trailer
Pissed out of his head he was
I met Michael Elphick once back in the 80's at Truckfest when I was working for Scania
He was a guest on the local radio show that went out live from our show trailer
Pissed out of his head he was
He used to live at the Holiday Inn in town when filming Boon back in the 80s and he was constantly pissed. God knows how he got through filming.
I met Michael Elphick once back in the 80's at Truckfest when I was working for Scania
He was a guest on the local radio show that went out live from our show trailer
Pissed out of his head he was
He used to live at the Holiday Inn in town when filming Boon back in the 80s and he was constantly pissed. God knows how he got through filming.
In fairness I think it did for the poor fella in the end
He was in an episode of Auf Weidersein Pet as well, I think Oz ended up chinning him.
My cousins are st holders at Bournemouth and just sent texts saying they have good authority that Tommy Elphick coming to us as club captain !? They showed me screen shot from text convos from the players family at a wedding as one of them is close friend..... Surprise for me.... Any rumours of this from the villa side ?
Now, I know I don't keep up with all the world's football as well as I used to, but what exactly is Tommy Elphick?
Remember our scout who should have been in Germany or Spain but ended up going to Uni? It was Bournemouth Uni.
For Elphick see Sims, S. He worked out well enough for one season.
Now, I know I don't keep up with all the world's football as well as I used to, but what exactly is Tommy Elphick?
Central defender, started last season pretty well but got an injury in the autumn and was out for a while then couldn't get back into the team. I think.
He was in an episode of Auf Weidersein Pet as well, I think Oz ended up chinning him.
I Bought a Vampire MotorcycleCult classic Brum Horror Movie ( " The Evil Dead meets Carry on Screaming" ...if memory serves ) , also ´starred´Neil Morrissey.......why on earth do I know these things?!...........Godzvilla!
Even if the takeover isn't 100% surely we've gotta to start to strengthen now, Club has sky money, sponsor money etc?
Even if the takeover isn't 100% surely we've gotta to start to strengthen now, Club has sky money, sponsor money etc?
But no transfer window.
Even if the takeover isn't 100% surely we've gotta to start to strengthen now, Club has sky money, sponsor money etc?
But no transfer window.
Transfer window opens today
Even if the takeover isn't 100% surely we've gotta to start to strengthen now, Club has sky money, sponsor money etc?
But no transfer window.
Transfer window opens today
Thought it was 1st July? As an aside we officially ceased to be a PL club yesterday :(
He is a totally immobile lump who won't have got any quicker over the course of this last year. If he's coming here as a defensive coach with some brief as a registered player then that is perfectly OK. Otherwise, Jesus H. C. I hope he's not putting too big a dent in that lovely 50 mill that Dr X has earmarked for player acquisition.
He was in an episode of Auf Weidersein Pet as well, I think Oz ended up chinning him.
I think he played a character named McGowan in one of the early ones. Oz was pissed off because he nicked the dartboard.
Even if the takeover isn't 100% surely we've gotta to start to strengthen now, Club has sky money, sponsor money etc?
But no transfer window.
Transfer window opens today
Thought it was 1st July? As an aside we officially ceased to be a PL club yesterday :(
I thought it was 1st July also.
I think the lack of anything happening along with the mini heatwave is sending forum posters in here a bit funny. Are there any threads left still talking about the subject matter in the title thread?
He is a totally immobile lump who won't have got any quicker over the course of this last year. If he's coming here as a defensive coach with some brief as a registered player then that is perfectly OK. Otherwise, Jesus H. C. I hope he's not putting too big a dent in that lovely 50 mill that Dr X has earmarked for player acquisition.
Shall we put you down as 'undecided'?
Even if the takeover isn't 100% surely we've gotta to start to strengthen now, Club has sky money, sponsor money etc?
But no transfer window.
Transfer window opens today
Thought it was 1st July? As an aside we officially ceased to be a PL club yesterday :(
I thought it was 1st July also.
Contracts run July to July, but there's nothing stopping anyone from agreeing transfer fees and terms whenever they want.
Even if the takeover isn't 100% surely we've gotta to start to strengthen now, Club has sky money, sponsor money etc?
But no transfer window.
Transfer window opens today
Thought it was 1st July? As an aside we officially ceased to be a PL club yesterday :(
I thought it was 1st July also.
Contracts run July to July, but there's nothing stopping anyone from agreeing transfer fees and terms whenever they want.
Even if the takeover isn't 100% surely we've gotta to start to strengthen now, Club has sky money, sponsor money etc?
But no transfer window.
Transfer window opens today
Thought it was 1st July? As an aside we officially ceased to be a PL club yesterday :(
I thought it was 1st July also.
Contracts run July to July, but there's nothing stopping anyone from agreeing transfer fees and terms whenever they want.
I was going by something I saw in the side bar on Sky Sports News HQ a couple of weeks ago. The date stuck in my mind as its my birthday ;)
Sorry if my info is wrong
The transfer window does open today. not just in Scotland.
As long they are ready in time for pre season training and their missus can find a home and schools for kids in time for new school year. Rather than join us on last day of August.
He was in an episode of Auf Weidersein Pet as well, I think Oz ended up chinning him.
I think he played a character named McGowan in one of the early ones. Oz was pissed off because he nicked the dartboard.
Did Wayne bang his daughter or am I thinking of another episode?
Couple of sites indicating that spurs could go in for gana release clause of just over 7m. He was okay and do a job for us but dont think would be too bothered if he went....He could be excellent. It would rather keep him.
Couple of sites indicating that spurs could go in for gana release clause of just over 7m. He was okay and do a job for us but dont think would be too bothered if he went....He could be excellent. It would rather keep him.
I think he's decent in the Championship as a ball winning player, would likely be one of the better ones in the division. Not up to it in the premier League, but I guess that's a problem for July 2017.And yet Spurs want him?
I think he's decent in the Championship as a ball winning player, would likely be one of the better ones in the division. Not up to it in the premier League, but I guess that's a problem for July 2017.And yet Spurs want him?
Couple of sites indicating that spurs could go in for gana release clause of just over 7m. He was okay and do a job for us but dont think would be too bothered if he went....
I think he's decent in the Championship as a ball winning player, would likely be one of the better ones in the division. Not up to it in the premier League, but I guess that's a problem for July 2017.And yet Spurs want him?
I think he's decent in the Championship as a ball winning player, would likely be one of the better ones in the division. Not up to it in the premier League, but I guess that's a problem for July 2017.And yet Spurs want him?
I'm on about Dorrans.
I'd rather we had our eyes on some players who haven't reached their peak yet, off the back of decent seasons who could play at a higher level rather than sign a bunch of players who did well 5 years ago but haven't produced the good for the past few years on money that their past reputation demands but recent performance doesn't .
We have money and need to rebuild, I don't see any positives in continuing down the maybe they'll rediscover their form and desire path.
Steven Fletcher released by Sunderland, might be worth a shout in the Championship.
Steven Fletcher released by Sunderland, might be worth a shout in the Championship.
Played very well at Wolves. Good all round forward if we are short on money as we might be.
I'd take a look at Powell, looked a very good player who has been screwed a little by united deciding to spend a quarter of a billion trying to get back to the top.
40 odd games in 4 years.
Why would he accept a one-year deal?
I'm not bothered about offering players a one year deal to get us out of the division. I'd rather we signed players that will form a team which will get us promoted and keep us in the Premier League.I'd rather we do whatever we can to get out of this division then worry about who we bring in to keep us there personally.
Why would he accept a one-year deal?
I'm not bothered about offering players a one year deal to get us out of the division. I'd rather we signed players that will form a team which will get us promoted and keep us in the Premier League.I'd rather we do whatever we can to get out of this division then worry about who we bring in to keep us there personally.
Osman at 35 would be fine he's never relied on pace. He's easily got another 2-3 years in him.When I heard had was being released I thought yes a player who could be very useful for us but 35 concerns me. We have had too many "rest home" types in the recent seasons.
I'm not bothered about offering players a one year deal to get us out of the division. I'd rather we signed players that will form a team which will get us promoted and win the Premier League.Fixed!
Carlos Sanchez being linked to serie A by newsnow. Take him, please!! Way too slow for the English league.
Right, Aftab and cd on the naughty step please! Carlos is just too slow, doesn't pick up, gives the ball away too often. Great hair though!!That's what they said about Pogba!
I think Sanchez could do a job in the championship, but he's another on where if we get a decent offer (£5m?) then get rid and let Roberto replace him with his own player. Osamn on a free may do a job for a season more with his a work rate and attitude perhaps than minutes on the pitch.
Right, Aftab and cd on the naughty step please! Carlos is just too slow, doesn't pick up, gives the ball away too often. Great hair though!!
Right, Aftab and cd on the naughty step please! Carlos is just too slow, doesn't pick up, gives the ball away too often. Great hair though!!
Don't dislike him, but would definitely be open to offers. £5m sounds about right.
Daily Heil reporting that we're signing a defender for £3m next week (the lad from Bournemouth maybe?) and we're working on deals for a defender, winger and striker.Yes as I reported a couple of days ago it seems like a progressive / done deal and pace gathering today on couple of sites and Twitter . My source close to cherries also saying that coming as captain... I can't see that being a pre requisite of transfer though !?
£12m Sunderland paid for Fletcher. £12m.
Osman , Pienaar & Hibbert released by Everton...would certainly consider taking Osman, just the type of experienced and gutsy mid-fielder we could use next season. Hibbert is coming off a major injury and all 3 are 34 now and close to their ´sell-by-dates ´.............Godzvilla!.
Elphick seems like a brilliant bit of business to me. Reads like an exceptional character, good leader and immediately solves our issue of needing a centre half and leader that knows that league. One of those where his influence off the pitch might well be as vital as his performances on.
Good start. If we can shift Richards and Lescott, keep Amavi and Clark, we might have a decent back 4 to come up. Keeper next please!
we should be aiming higherCrouchy then.He's 6ft 7"!
There should be quite a bit of wiggle room in the wage budget too now N'Zogbia has gone. If Richards and Lescott follow suit then you're probably talking about 160k per week there.
There should be quite a bit of wiggle room in the wage budget too now N'Zogbia has gone. If Richards and Lescott follow suit then you're probably talking about 160k per week there.
Lescott, Agbonlahor and Richards, Zog, Richardson probably somewhere near to 260k a week. Randy will be rubbing his hands, oh, no, he won't Will he!
Elphick seems like a brilliant bit of business to me. Reads like an exceptional character, good leader and immediately solves our issue of needing a centre half and leader that knows that league. One of those where his influence off the pitch might well be as vital as his performances on.
Good start. If we can shift Richards and Lescott, keep Amavi and Clark, we might have a decent back 4 to come up. Keeper next please!
Agree totally Ozz.
higher!
Meaning evil 'understands' that Elphick not coming as Howe doesn't want to sell. We'll see.
Why would he accept a one-year deal?
Would you offer him three?
If we can get £5n for Sanchez I'd snap their hands off. Woeful excuse for a player.
Meaning evil 'understands' that Elphick not coming as Howe doesn't want to sell. We'll see.
Sounds like they're trying to get some mileage out of the story where if Daz is right, there is none.
Kev, I agree in principle with everything you said. I hope all of those players are sold so this a moot discussion. However if the manager decides after everything he sees, and with the possibility some simply won't attract a buyer we may as well get behind them. I don't mean forget, but if they are here what we don't need is a bomb squad situation and we cannot afford negative distractions. Those dark clouds need to be lifted if we are to have any chance of going up.
Steven Fletcher released by Sunderland. Worth a punt? He may be good for us in the championship?He'd be good short term, on a free he'd be a very good addition to the squad.
Kev, I agree in principle with everything you said. I hope all of those players are sold so this a moot discussion. However if the manager decides after everything he sees, and with the possibility some simply won't attract a buyer we may as well get behind them. I don't mean forget, but if they are here what we don't need is a bomb squad situation and we cannot afford negative distractions. Those dark clouds need to be lifted if we are to have any chance of going up.
I know what you are saying makes sense but I just can't get behind piss taking arseholes like Gabby
If we can't sell the fat bastard id rather we just paid off his contract
Yes I'd agree.Kev, I agree in principle with everything you said. I hope all of those players are sold so this a moot discussion. However if the manager decides after everything he sees, and with the possibility some simply won't attract a buyer we may as well get behind them. I don't mean forget, but if they are here what we don't need is a bomb squad situation and we cannot afford negative distractions. Those dark clouds need to be lifted if we are to have any chance of going up.
I know what you are saying makes sense but I just can't get behind piss taking arseholes like Gabby
If we can't sell the fat bastard id rather we just paid off his contract
I'm a big Gabby fan and think that with him properly coached and managed he could be a big player for us next season. However, I agree that his disgraceful behaviour last season may be something he can't and maybe shouldn't be allowed to come back from.
Meaning evil 'understands' that Elphick not coming as Howe doesn't want to sell. We'll see.
Sounds like they're trying to get some mileage out of the story where if Daz is right, there is none.
Who's Daz, what might he be right about, and what is there none of?
Confused, Greater Birmjngham.
My cousins are st holders at Bournemouth and just sent texts saying they have good authority that Tommy Elphick coming to us as club captain !? They showed me screen shot from text convos from the players family at a wedding as one of them is close friend..... Surprise for me.... Any rumours of this from the villa side ?
I'm a big Gabby fan and think that with him properly coached and managed he could be a big player for us next season. However, I agree that his disgraceful behaviour last season may be something he can't and maybe shouldn't be allowed to come back from.
I'm a big Gabby fan and think that with him properly coached and managed he could be a big player for us next season. However, I agree that his disgraceful behaviour last season may be something he can't and maybe shouldn't be allowed to come back from.
Meaning evil 'understands' that Elphick not coming as Howe doesn't want to sell. We'll see.
Sounds like they're trying to get some mileage out of the story where if Daz is right, there is none.
Who's Daz, what might he be right about, and what is there none of?
Confused, Greater Birmjngham.My cousins are st holders at Bournemouth and just sent texts saying they have good authority that Tommy Elphick coming to us as club captain !? They showed me screen shot from text convos from the players family at a wedding as one of them is close friend..... Surprise for me.... Any rumours of this from the villa side ?
Meaning evil 'understands' that Elphick not coming as Howe doesn't want to sell. We'll see.
Sounds like they're trying to get some mileage out of the story where if Daz is right, there is none.
Who's Daz, what might he be right about, and what is there none of?
Confused, Greater Birmjngham.My cousins are st holders at Bournemouth and just sent texts saying they have good authority that Tommy Elphick coming to us as club captain !? They showed me screen shot from text convos from the players family at a wedding as one of them is close friend..... Surprise for me.... Any rumours of this from the villa side ?
Updates from south coast today are that having let Distin go and no one else in yet, they wouldn't also let Elphick go. This could change should they bring some CB cover in I guess
Meaning evil 'understands' that Elphick not coming as Howe doesn't want to sell. We'll see.
Sounds like they're trying to get some mileage out of the story where if Daz is right, there is none.
Who's Daz, what might he be right about, and what is there none of?
Confused, Greater Birmjngham.My cousins are st holders at Bournemouth and just sent texts saying they have good authority that Tommy Elphick coming to us as club captain !? They showed me screen shot from text convos from the players family at a wedding as one of them is close friend..... Surprise for me.... Any rumours of this from the villa side ?
Looking at the list of players released by Premier League clubs, I noticed a French international winger who had once been transferred for £9.5 million. Available for free! Surely worth a punt?
was it Charles something?Charles N'Eddie?
The only way I'd accept Gabby again is if he trimmed down to he his pre-2010 weight. He's still got pace and could offer something, but he's got to work at it and slimming down would be a sign he's listening to the coaching staff and taking his job seriously again.
The issue with that is that I think it's what Gabby wants too.
And after last season, I don't think he should be in any position to dictate what he wants.
I actually reckon playing football has become a hindrance to him. It is something to merely be tolerated, and gets in the way of the cars, parties and good stuff.
I think it goes back as far as the 2011/12 season under McLeish. We drew with Wigan away in February and he said something after the game like "We just want the season to be over." Now as fans, we were probably saying similar. But as a player, he should have been busting a gut to play himself back into a bit of form and make what was (at that point) an under par season for the club a half decent one. This is a player who had got himself back in the England reckoning in the autumn, and had been linked with an £18 million move to Tottingham (as ludicrous as that seems now).
As a forward, he should have been seeing the three months left as a chance to boost his goal tally, put himself on the plane for the Euros or-at the very least- be playing well enough to give himself options to leave. Yet he was just wishing time away, wanting to do just enough to get by.
His performances over the last few years aren't in keeping with someone still in love with the game (if he ever was).
He doesn't want to play anymore = he should be made to play somewhere. Just not with us.
Hey Daz ask them if they want Richards or Lescott, in fact I am sure with his brilliance Baccuna could play center half.
Like it or not, everyone's going to have a fresh start under Di Matteo, as they would under any new manager. If the likes of Gabby come back motivated, in shape and hungry to tear up the Championship, then why would we choose now to sell them?! On the other hand, if they're still bone idle and still have no motivation they'll likely be moved on or hopefully released if there's no buyer - rather than having their attitude affect others.
Hey Daz ask them if they want Richards or Lescott, in fact I am sure with his brilliance Baccuna could play center half.
When Villa switched to three/five at the back for the last couple of games, Bacuna was playing centre half for the last couple of games
Like it or not, everyone's going to have a fresh start under Di Matteo, as they would under any new manager. If the likes of Gabby come back motivated, in shape and hungry to tear up the Championship, then why would we choose now to sell them?! On the other hand, if they're still bone idle and still have no motivation they'll likely be moved on or hopefully released if there's no buyer - rather than having their attitude affect others.One thing I'm hoping for is that with a decent management team and new ownership, the mood of the club will be a lot better and the organisation in place will be. I know Gabby et al have behaved abhorrantly, but that stench of apathy at Villa, from the top down since probably mid-way through McLeish's season (probably earlier to be fair) hasn't helped matters at all. The owner didn't give two tosses, so the players can't be expected to I suppose.
Hey Daz ask them if they want Richards or Lescott, in fact I am sure with his brilliance Baccuna could play center half.
When Villa switched to three/five at the back for the last couple of games, Bacuna was playing centre half for the last couple of games
Weren't you thankful that we had Black and his 35+ years of experience? I don't know how we'd have coped without him.
was it Charles something?Charles N'Eddie?
I can see Gabby going overseas, maybe to Turkey, to play out his days
Charles N'Aznovour
Heard a vague rumour that we may be after Bournemouth CB Elphick
I've read that lots of top clubs would like Veretout. Even though I like him and feel he could be useful if we can cash in on him at a profit, let him go. I'd rather try and develope Jack than wait around to see if Veretout can flourish.
totally agree. I'd like to hang onto Veretout if possible but I suspect that they're be some interest in him and we'll sell; a shame.I've read that lots of top clubs would like Veretout. Even though I like him and feel he could be useful if we can cash in on him at a profit, let him go. I'd rather try and develope Jack than wait around to see if Veretout can flourish.
Why would Veretout staying interfere with Grealish's potential development or lack of over the next 12 months? 2 Completely different players that could actually complement eachother if we are lucky.
I've read that lots of top clubs would like Veretout. Even though I like him and feel he could be useful if we can cash in on him at a profit, let him go. I'd rather try and develope Jack than wait around to see if Veretout can flourish.
Why would Veretout staying interfere with Grealish's potential development or lack of over the next 12 months? 2 Completely different players that could actually complement eachother if we are lucky.
Heard a vague rumour that we may be after Bournemouth CB Elphick
Where have you been? 😁
I've read that lots of top clubs would like Veretout. Even though I like him and feel he could be useful if we can cash in on him at a profit, let him go. I'd rather try and develope Jack than wait around to see if Veretout can flourish.
Why would Veretout staying interfere with Grealish's potential development or lack of over the next 12 months? 2 Completely different players that could actually complement eachother if we are lucky.
Veretout reminds me a bit of Petrov when he first came. Petrov came as an attacking midfielder but didn't really have the dynamism to play in that role in England. Instead he was more suited to a deeper role. I think that could be the case with Veretout as well.
yes I think he has been in a trance since the 1970s and was referring to Roger Brown, who I saw play many times for AP Leamingtoncome on you brakes
I suppose what I mean is if his hearts not in it and he wants away then let him go and get some profit back on his transfer fee. As I say I think he's useful and a tidy player but I wouldn't be too worried if he left. I know he's different to Jack but I get the feeling he wants to play for us. Well I hope so anyway. Both players did not do themselves too much justice last season but both are young and have talent.totally agree. I'd like to hang onto Veretout if possible but I suspect that they're be some interest in him and we'll sell; a shame.I've read that lots of top clubs would like Veretout. Even though I like him and feel he could be useful if we can cash in on him at a profit, let him go. I'd rather try and develope Jack than wait around to see if Veretout can flourish.
Why would Veretout staying interfere with Grealish's potential development or lack of over the next 12 months? 2 Completely different players that could actually complement eachother if we are lucky.
Did anyone see the video on the official twitter feed? A shirt being printed with '9' and 'Petkovic' on the back. Said that two big names are coming to Villa Park today, but one might be the Doc.
Not sure who Petkovic is...
Did anyone see the video on the official twitter feed? A shirt being printed with '9' and 'Petkovic' on the back. Said that two big names are coming to Villa Park today, but one might be the Doc.
Not sure who Petkovic is...
Did anyone see the video on the official twitter feed? A shirt being printed with '9' and 'Petkovic' on the back. Said that two big names are coming to Villa Park today, but one might be the Doc.
Not sure who Petkovic is...
Ah. I think it's the tennis player...
Heard a vague rumour that we may be after Bournemouth CB Elphick
Where have you been? 😁
He's got his finger on the pulse, our kid.
Did anyone see the video on the official twitter feed? A shirt being printed with '9' and 'Petkovic' on the back. Said that two big names are coming to Villa Park today, but one might be the Doc.
Not sure who Petkovic is...
I heard a whisper of a press conference today at VP with 12 empty seats, 1 for Dr X but not sure who the other 11 are for???!!!
yes I think he has been in a trance since the 1970s and was referring to Roger Brown, who I saw play many times for AP LeamingtonPlayed football with Roger Brown at school in the late 60s...he was a year ahead of me and a bit of a hero of mine.
Did anyone see the video on the official twitter feed? A shirt being printed with '9' and 'Petkovic' on the back. Said that two big names are coming to Villa Park today, but one might be the Doc.
Not sure who Petkovic is...
I heard a whisper of a press conference today at VP with 12 empty seats, 1 for Dr X but not sure who the other 11 are for???!!!
Hopefully, last year's first team. Ready, aim....FIRE
Did anyone see the video on the official twitter feed? A shirt being printed with '9' and 'Petkovic' on the back. Said that two big names are coming to Villa Park today, but one might be the Doc.
Not sure who Petkovic is...
Another feckless wanker of a player, would be a terrible signing in my opinion.
His Twitter just says in Birmingham.
I think Ravel is a sack of shit to be honest. Abysmal attitude. If he wasn't a footballer he'd be locked up by now. He's a cretin. We've got enough to get rid of let alone bringing in someone worse than any prick we've ever had. Talented yes, but he'll never have the desire to consistently perform.
I think he bought a new phone battery.
Morrison is shit end of story. It's not like he's some mecurial wizard with a bad streak like Gazza, he's done absolute fuck all for anyone. Would fit in great with the rest of the tossers though.
Me too. Don't care how much talent he has his attitude will always end up with him failing.
Morrison is shit end of story. It's not like he's some mecurial wizard with a bad streak like Gazza, he's done absolute fuck all for anyone. Would fit in great with the rest of the tossers though.
See he's a complete tit and I don't want him anywhere near the club but calling him shit is just plain wrong. If any manager manages to get him concentrating on the game giving up all the other bullshit they'll have a fantastic player on their hands, when he had a run for West Ham a few years ago before he fell out with Allerdyce he was making established internationals look like mugs, if he'd have pushed on from that he'd be starring at this tournament rather than struggling to get on the bench for Lazio.
Morrison is shit end of story. It's not like he's some mecurial wizard with a bad streak like Gazza, he's done absolute fuck all for anyone. Would fit in great with the rest of the tossers though.
See he's a complete tit and I don't want him anywhere near the club but calling him shit is just plain wrong. If any manager manages to get him concentrating on the game giving up all the other bullshit they'll have a fantastic player on their hands, when he had a run for West Ham a few years ago before he fell out with Allerdyce he was making established internationals look like mugs, if he'd have pushed on from that he'd be starring at this tournament rather than struggling to get on the bench for Lazio.
Getting carried away a bit there Paul I think. He's played less than 20 top flight games. He's shite mate, if we sign him chalk him off as another ill thought out transfer.
He fell out with West Ham because he wouldn't agree to joining Allardyce's agent's stable of players, with Nolan turning the screw.
Morrison is shit end of story. It's not like he's some mecurial wizard with a bad streak like Gazza, he's done absolute fuck all for anyone. Would fit in great with the rest of the tossers though.
See he's a complete tit and I don't want him anywhere near the club but calling him shit is just plain wrong. If any manager manages to get him concentrating on the game giving up all the other bullshit they'll have a fantastic player on their hands, when he had a run for West Ham a few years ago before he fell out with Allerdyce he was making established internationals look like mugs, if he'd have pushed on from that he'd be starring at this tournament rather than struggling to get on the bench for Lazio.
Getting carried away a bit there Paul I think. He's played less than 20 top flight games. He's shite mate, if we sign him chalk him off as another ill thought out transfer.
I think we will have to adjust to having a few "low rep" players join us at this level.
To be that close to a signing makes you realise just how much goes on behind the scenes without us getting a sniff
I think we will have to adjust to having a few "low rep" players join us at this level.
To be that close to a signing makes you realise just how much goes on behind the scenes without us getting a sniff
Agree totally. Now we have the money and a good set up, we find ourselves out of the top flight and attracting top players will be hard. That's why I'm convinced that holding on to our foreign imports will be so important. They may not have torn up any trees last season but at least they've had a year in English football now.I think we will have to adjust to having a few "low rep" players join us at this level.
To be that close to a signing makes you realise just how much goes on behind the scenes without us getting a sniff
Is he really much low rep than the summers when likes of Westwood, Lowton, Bowery, Tonev, Bacuna, Helenius signed?
We've been signing bargain basement players for years.
The shame isknow we have an ambitious owner who wants to spend....and the level now dictates it's hard to get in the quality internationals.
Agree totally. Now we have the money and a good set up, we find ourselves out of the top flight and attracting top players will be hard. That's why I'm convinced that holding on to our foreign imports will be so important. They may not have torn up any trees last season but at least they've had a year in English football now.I think we will have to adjust to having a few "low rep" players join us at this level.
To be that close to a signing makes you realise just how much goes on behind the scenes without us getting a sniff
Is he really much low rep than the summers when likes of Westwood, Lowton, Bowery, Tonev, Bacuna, Helenius signed?
We've been signing bargain basement players for years.
The shame isknow we have an ambitious owner who wants to spend....and the level now dictates it's hard to get in the quality internationals.
Meaning evil 'understands' that Elphick not coming as Howe doesn't want to sell. We'll see.
Sounds like they're trying to get some mileage out of the story where if Daz is right, there is none.
Who's Daz, what might he be right about, and what is there none of?
Confused, Greater Birmjngham.My cousins are st holders at Bournemouth and just sent texts saying they have goo.d authority that Tommy Elphick coming to us as club captain !? They showed me screen shot from text convos from the players family at a wedding as one of them is close friend..... Surprise for me.... Any rumours of this from the villa side ?
Updates from south coast today are that having let Distin go and no one else in yet, they wouldn't also let Elphick go. This could change should they bring some CB cover in I guess
Bournemouth Forum even saying it's a done deal and that he is 'the epitome of a leader' and all seem sad that he is leaving.
On a side note their Forum is really annoying, adverts constantly popping up on there.
Sky Sports reporting we've had a £3 million bid accepted by Bournemouth for Tommy Elphick.
Sky Sports reporting we've had a £3 million bid accepted by Bournemouth for Tommy Elphick.
Sean Teale the 2nd?
Trouble is most players who "know" the Champoinship stay in the Championship.
People say we need players that know the Championship. I don't think that this is necessary. What we do need are players that have the right attitude to play in the Championship.
Trouble is most players who "know" the Champoinship stay in the Championship.
He didn't though, did he? He was a vital part of a team that won the league.
You need a mix of players who know the division, ones that are good enough and will get us out of it, and those that will be able to fit in just fine at PL level and ensure they are very much a part of our future.
£27 million to go then ? ;)£31 million, hopefully we'll mug someone off for 4 million for Gabby😉
I think O'Neill will retire once he finished Irish Project.
Need to also look at some creativity and pace . I'll have a look round see what else can find .
I think O'Neill will retire once he finished Irish Project.
£27 million to go then ? ;)£31 million, hopefully we'll mug someone off for 4 million for Gabby😉
I think O'Neill will retire once he finished Irish Project.
He'll go manage in china super league and become an arch nemesis in global game against villa on a yearly stage
While we are at it where are we with the Liam ridgewell debate. He won the mls championship cup just last season so is a current champion. If course mls often compared to championship league. Maybe worth a loan in off season if not fully. I'm really looking for former players who could and would do a job
I wonder if Jay Rodriguez might be available. Lost a couple of seasons really. Good goal record and would waltz the Championship (if fit enough).Good at diving for penalties in the Holte End penalty area as well ;-)
I'll take that. As long as we're getting the penalties.I wonder if Jay Rodriguez might be available. Lost a couple of seasons really. Good goal record and would waltz the Championship (if fit enough).Good at diving for penalties in the Holte End penalty area as well ;-)
Would bid for James Chester, had a good game today.
Would bid for James Chester, had a good game today.
I think it was £8 million for Chester. Maybe a swap deal for Clark?
They were trying to off load him in January. Given he only played 13 league games for them last year, 5 of those as sub I think I wouldn't want to be going anywhere near £8m of our budget for him. Also at 5/9 pretty short for a center half?
I think it was £8 million for Chester. Maybe a swap deal for Clark?
They were trying to off load him in January. Given he only played 13 league games for them last year, 5 of those as sub I think I wouldn't want to be going anywhere near £8m of our budget for him. Also at 5/9 pretty short for a center half?
He's 5ft 11. Not massive but it's not 5ft 9. And if he is too short and the reason for not being player why was he signed in the first place. It might be just Pulis just doesn't like him, or he's not been consistently good enough at PL level.
He's 5ft 11. Not massive but it's not 5ft 9. And if he is too short and the reason for not being player why was he signed in the first place. It might be just Pulis just doesn't like him, or he's not been consistently good enough at PL level.
Nah, Pulis saw him as an option to convert a central defender into a defensively sound right back who'd have little inclination to wander up field, I think that' pretty clear. Probably slightly better than Sherwood wanting to convert a defensively suspect right back into a central defender though.
He's 5ft 11. Not massive but it's not 5ft 9. And if he is too short and the reason for not being player why was he signed in the first place. It might be just Pulis just doesn't like him, or he's not been consistently good enough at PL level.
Nah, Pulis saw him as an option to convert a central defender into a defensively sound right back who'd have little inclination to wander up field, I think that' pretty clear. Probably slightly better than Sherwood wanting to convert a defensively suspect right back into a central defender though.
Blimey, if we get Naranjo he will be a nice friend for L'il Lee. Peas in a pod.
We carry far too many passengers and non-contributors.
Di Matteo reckons the squad is too big. I agree. It full of shit too. Needs trimming and some of the shit replacing with quality. I'd rather get rid of ten to bring in five, especially if some of those shunted include Bacuna, Gabby and Richards. I can't see Gardner, Bennett or Baker getting a look in, so there's six.
I'd agree with him.
On paper we have three left backs; Amavi, Cissokho and Bennett, but only one of them is good.enough in Amavi. Cissokho might be able to do a defensive job but he offers nothing going forwards and Bennett is woeful.
Up front we have on paper four strikers in Ayew, Gestede, Gabby and Kozak, but only Ayew is good enough for the top flight. Gestede will score goals and will be an option in this league, but the other two have contributed nothing in two or three years for different reasons.
We carry far too many passengers and non-contributors.
We prune in June
Lets hope Xia doesn't go bust in augustWe prune in June
Then we buy in July...
Lets hope Xia doesn't go bust in augustWe prune in June
Then we buy in July...
I'd agree with him.
On paper we have three left backs; Amavi, Cissokho and Bennett, but only one of them is good.enough in Amavi. Cissokho might be able to do a defensive job but he offers nothing going forwards and Bennett is woeful.
Up front we have on paper four strikers in Ayew, Gestede, Gabby and Kozak, but only Ayew is good enough for the top flight. Gestede will score goals and will be an option in this league, but the other two have contributed nothing in two or three years for different reasons.
We carry far too many passengers and non-contributors.
Fair do's AJ. I suppose it's not his fault that players didn't run around too much!
Riley.Really?
B'ham Mail reporting Xia has over £500M in a British bank account ready "to dip into" when needed to fund Villa. All transfer final decisions are down to RDM.
I've always quite liked Fletcher, and he's got a bit more subtlety to his game than just being a lump.
Fletcher was good few years back but not done anything at Sunderland lately and saw a few games he played for Marseille and he was pretty poor there.
IMO we already have our Fletcher upfront in Gestede like him or not.We need more dynamic and younger options upfront.
Fletcher was good few years back but not done anything at Sunderland lately and saw a few games he played for Marseille and he was pretty poor there.
IMO we already have our Fletcher upfront in Gestede like him or not.We need more dynamic and younger options upfront.
I very much doubt there's anything in the Fletcher link. And if there is, it probably means the story about having £500m in the bank is rubbish.
Fletcher is not the sort of signing to get you out of the Championship.
I've always quite liked Fletcher, and he's got a bit more subtlety to his game than just being a lump.
As ! have said before Fletcher played very well for Wolves. Very adept at holding the ball up.
Spot on. That's been out problem for years now. Please Villa learn from the last 10 years FFSI've always quite liked Fletcher, and he's got a bit more subtlety to his game than just being a lump.
As ! have said before Fletcher played very well for Wolves. Very adept at holding the ball up.
His goal record since then is abysmal.
We have enough players who were decent 4 or 5 years ago
Fletcher was a journeyman footballer in a shit Sunderland team. Yes I know we're in among the shit now, but as above, learn from the mistakes of the past Villa. Don't want to sound like Xia here, but there's a certain type of player we should be looking at, not the blanket shower of shite that pass for professional footballers these days. We are Villa after all, no matter what.
RDM has been presented with the greatest of blank canvases...the removal of the cancer of Lescott, Richards, Agbonlahor etc coupled with the chance of getting us back up with a squad tarnished by the stain of the above will be no mean feat. But Fletcher and his ilk (most of the present Villa side) of bog standard mediocrity is not the way to go.
Tommy Elphick is a case in point, but by all accounts he's a f**king headcase who knows the division, was key to getting Bournemouth out of it, and is captain material. We need THAT kind of championship player. And if people are accepting of the like of Robson-kanu as a possible Villa player next season, then Randy really did win in the end by lowering our expectations to that extent.
I very much doubt there's anything in the Fletcher link. And if there is, it probably means the story about having £500m in the bank is rubbish.
Fletcher is not the sort of signing to get you out of the Championship.
I very much doubt there's anything in the Fletcher link. And if there is, it probably means the story about having £500m in the bank is rubbish.
Fletcher is not the sort of signing to get you out of the Championship.
I reckon he's exactly the sort of player to get you out of the Championship, but the sort to ditch as soon as you are.
If we'd been in this situation last year not many people would have said that Cameron Jerome was the sort of player to get you out of the Championship, but he was exactly that for Norwich.
I very much doubt there's anything in the Fletcher link. And if there is, it probably means the story about having £500m in the bank is rubbish.
Fletcher is not the sort of signing to get you out of the Championship.
I reckon he's exactly the sort of player to get you out of the Championship, but the sort to ditch as soon as you are.
If we'd been in this situation last year not many people would have said that Cameron Jerome was the sort of player to get you out of the Championship, but he was exactly that for Norwich.
and for Birmingham when they got promoted.
I very much doubt there's anything in the Fletcher link. And if there is, it probably means the story about having £500m in the bank is rubbish.
Fletcher is not the sort of signing to get you out of the Championship.
I reckon he's exactly the sort of player to get you out of the Championship, but the sort to ditch as soon as you are.
If we'd been in this situation last year not many people would have said that Cameron Jerome was the sort of player to get you out of the Championship, but he was exactly that for Norwich.
I very much doubt there's anything in the Fletcher link. And if there is, it probably means the story about having £500m in the bank is rubbish.
Fletcher is not the sort of signing to get you out of the Championship.
I reckon he's exactly the sort of player to get you out of the Championship, but the sort to ditch as soon as you are.
If we'd been in this situation last year not many people would have said that Cameron Jerome was the sort of player to get you out of the Championship, but he was exactly that for Norwich.
I think Fletcher of a few years ago would have been, but not now.
Brady I think would be a decent signing.
Would be happy with Brady as long as it dosen't mean Amavi is going.
Amavi + Brady would be a very strong left hand side for championship football.
I very much doubt there's anything in the Fletcher link. And if there is, it probably means the story about having £500m in the bank is rubbish.
Fletcher is not the sort of signing to get you out of the Championship.
I reckon he's exactly the sort of player to get you out of the Championship, but the sort to ditch as soon as you are.
If we'd been in this situation last year not many people would have said that Cameron Jerome was the sort of player to get you out of the Championship, but he was exactly that for Norwich.
I think Fletcher of a few years ago would have been, but not now.
Brady I think would be a decent signing.
Brady would be a good signing.
Fletcher for me was always the softest, weakest 'big man' around - would be happy to leave that one well alone
Brady is decent. A good age and a good amount of experience with it.we have run out of 10 foot, will 3 metres work ?
Fletcher I wouldn't touch with a ten foot barge pole.
His Wiki states a winger not a left back?He's a winger who has been used at full-back by Norwich and Ireland over the past few seasons.
He started out as a winger didn't he?
If he did sign I think I'd play him on the wing with Amavi behind. my reasoning being that Amavi is the better crosser and fullbacks generally get more time to cross the ball in the modern game. I'd also trust Brady to get back and help out whereas I think Amavi is impulsive enough to want to stay forward and hope for a counter attack.
A mix of those 2 plus Grealish, Green and Ayew gives us the options and versatility we need on the left, I'd be very happy with that and would then concentrate on the right where I think we're incredibly weak.
If Amavi is the better crosser, surely you want him getting to the by-line to get crosses in. If he's crossing from a traditional left back position (obviously he could still overlap), then diagonal balls are too easy to deal with. It would be better to get defenders turning towards their goal. As for being too impulsive and wanting to stay forward, he needs to learn that side of the game and we would be better off with him learning that in the Championship than in the Premier League.
i would suggest that our problem over the last 4-5 years has been selling our best players and replacing them with dross. And appointing shit mangers.Spot on. That's been out problem for years now. Please Villa learn from the last 10 years FFSI've always quite liked Fletcher, and he's got a bit more subtlety to his game than just being a lump.
As ! have said before Fletcher played very well for Wolves. Very adept at holding the ball up.
His goal record since then is abysmal.
We have enough players who were decent 4 or 5 years ago
So we're in for Pantilimon apparently. Bournemouth's reserve centre half and Watford's reserve goalkeeper - Lerner out !
So we're in for Pantilimon apparently. Bournemouth's reserve centre half and Watford's reserve goalkeeper - Lerner out !
It's like the Mirror Group media hacks still think Randy is in charge. Because signing a goalkeeper that cannot beat out that clown Gomes will solve our existing comedy goalkeeping situation.
If Amavi is the better crosser, surely you want him getting to the by-line to get crosses in. If he's crossing from a traditional left back position (obviously he could still overlap), then diagonal balls are too easy to deal with. It would be better to get defenders turning towards their goal. As for being too impulsive and wanting to stay forward, he needs to learn that side of the game and we would be better off with him learning that in the Championship than in the Premier League.
So we're in for Pantilimon apparently. Bournemouth's reserve centre half and Watford's reserve goalkeeper - Lerner out !
So we're in for Pantilimon apparently. Bournemouth's reserve centre half and Watford's reserve goalkeeper - Lerner out !
It's like the Mirror Group media hacks still think Randy is in charge. Because signing a goalkeeper that cannot beat out that clown Gomes will solve our existing comedy goalkeeping situation.
Isn't it more that now we are in the Championship they know that our options will be different. As it stands Burnley and Hull can offer potential signings something that we can't. Footballers are not known for long term thinking so potential is not generally high on their list of priorities.
So we're in for Pantilimon apparently. Bournemouth's reserve centre half and Watford's reserve goalkeeper - Lerner out !
It's like the Mirror Group media hacks still think Randy is in charge. Because signing a goalkeeper that cannot beat out that clown Gomes will solve our existing comedy goalkeeping situation.
Isn't it more that now we are in the Championship they know that our options will be different. As it stands Burnley and Hull can offer potential signings something that we can't. Footballers are not known for long term thinking so potential is not generally high on their list of priorities.
Vorm is good. I'd also take Myhill over Pantilimon who has looked fucking horrendous on every occasion I've seen him. In fact I'd sooner give Guzan a reprieve than sign him.So we're in for Pantilimon apparently. Bournemouth's reserve centre half and Watford's reserve goalkeeper - Lerner out !
I reckon Vorm could be a good option for GK. Playing championship football has to be better than spur's bench hasn't it?
Vorm was brilliant that first season at Swansea. It always depresses me when a quality goalkeeper chooses to be second banana to a guy that's obviously not going anywhere.
Jordan Rhodes has been a 1 in 2 striker for the last 7 seasons in both league one and the Championship. If the manager thinks he can suit the style of play he has in mind then I would be delighted if we signed him.
The first step is to get promoted. If Rhodes is a means to that end then fine. We can deal with the Premier and Champions league winning players once we've go over that first little hurdle.
I really like McCormack but his age and price-tag would probably put me off this summer. I also think that he'll be desperately looking for a Premier League moving rather than swapping Championship clubs again. I'd be tempted to have a proper look at Zack Clough from Bolton instead, who looks like a younger, cheaper version of McCormack.
I really like McCormack but his age and price-tag would probably put me off this summer. I also think that he'll be desperately looking for a Premier League moving rather than swapping Championship clubs again. I'd be tempted to have a proper look at Zack Clough from Bolton instead, who looks like a younger, cheaper version of McCormack.
I'd also pay whatever for Alan Judge even though he's out injured until around Christmas. Or contact his agent and say we'll be in in January if he's fit.
wish list - although we were linked a while ago.
But, and with the greatest respect for Brentford, should we come calling neither the player, nor I suspect the club, would be able to resist.
Just seen a Twitter rumour that we are interested in Aaron Tshibola, young midfielder from Reading.
Just seen a Twitter rumour that we are interested in Aaron Tshibola, young midfielder from Reading.
Yeah there was a link about it in Getreading (http://www.getreading.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aaron-tshibola-reading-fc-fight-11496968?) via the Beeb gossip page this morning. Norwich and Palace also interested apparently.
We should never be buying for the bench, IMHO that's what the academy is for. Buy quality players to go straight into the team, as long as it's not blocking the path of promising "development" players.wish list - although we were linked a while ago.
But, and with the greatest respect for Brentford, should we come calling neither the player, nor I suspect the club, would be able to resist.
Would he be one for the bench?
Not for the bench - he'd be good enough to be in the first team.
We should never be buying for the bench, IMHO that's what the academy is for. Buy quality players to go straight into the team, as long as it's not blocking the path of promising "development" players.wish list - although we were linked a while ago.
But, and with the greatest respect for Brentford, should we come calling neither the player, nor I suspect the club, would be able to resist.
Would he be one for the bench?
Can I just point out that the OP was about a player called Judge. The subsequent comment referred to him being suitable for the bench. Do I need to explain further?Nice one Melandro, straight over my head:-)
Can I just point out that the OP was about a player called Judge. The subsequent comment referred to him being suitable for the bench. Do I need to explain further?
It's a delicate balance with player recruitment. We want players who will get us promoted, but will also be good enough in the top flight.
It's a delicate balance with player recruitment. We want players who will get us promoted, but will also be good enough in the top flight.
Players to get us up. Worry about players for the Prem when we get there.
Leicester are prepared to pay £30m to land Watford striker Troy Deeney. (Daily Telegraph)If (if) true, that's absolutely bonkers.
Silly season is well underway.
Leicester are prepared to pay £30m to land Watford striker Troy Deeney. (Daily Telegraph)If (if) true, that's absolutely bonkers.
Silly season is well underway.
Can I just point out that the OP was about a player called Judge. The subsequent comment referred to him being suitable for the bench. Do I need to explain further?
It's been going on too long, Peter is either very tired or is not rising to it.
Can I just point out that the OP was about a player called Judge. The subsequent comment referred to him being suitable for the bench. Do I need to explain further?
It's been going on too long, Peter is either very tired or is not rising to it.
No, I made a very clever riposte about it. Far too clever for you to have spotted it.
Git.
It's also the reason why If we can get promoted in the next season or two we wont have lost out money wise much at all. They're ll going to spunk the riches on massively over priced players and huge wages.
We can come up lean, hungry, with money to spend and immediately throw our weight around and comfortably jump over a fair few teams in the top flight.
Free agent as well apparently.
Free agent as well apparently.
Plus from Fermanagh where i currently live. Do it RDM!!
McGovern has been released by Hamilton Accies and I think his performance against Germany today has been over-hyped. He made a couple of good blocks from attackers bearing in on him but went to ground far too quickly for the goal and was well beaten by Muller's two efforts off the woodwork.
I mean Guzan and Sanchez are flying it at the Euros equivalent in their neck of the woods curently but I'd be happy to send both packing to Hamilton for good.
A good solid keeper should be our first priority after the Elphick signing
Not seen much of Tshibola but an energetic box to box midfielder would be great.
The Pantillimon link is interesting. I think he has a lot of potential and is a great size for a keeper. The new keeping coach must know him from Man City days.
I got that one Malandro - you're far too clever for your own good.
McGovern has been released by Hamilton Accies and I think his performance against Germany today has been over-hyped. He made a couple of good blocks from attackers bearing in on him but went to ground far too quickly for the goal and was well beaten by Muller's two efforts off the woodwork.
I mean Guzan and Sanchez are flying it at the Euros equivalent in their neck of the woods curently but I'd be happy to send both packing to Hamilton for good.
To be fair, the genetic reproduction of Banks, Shilton, Rimmer, Spink, Bosnich and Jennings at their peak combined into 1 super keeper wouldn't have got close to the one off the bar just after the goal.
You're wasted on too manyA good solid keeper should be our first priority after the Elphick signing
You don't rate him?
I think the above is a little harsh on McGovern. I think it's fair to say he had a blinder. It would be stupid to sign someone on the basis of one performance though. Goalkeepers need to be consistently performing week-in, week-out.
A good solid keeper should be our first priority after the Elphick signing
Just bumped into Emile Heskey at Glasgow Central station. Can confirm he remains unattached and is available. Ludicrously I asked 'why not come back to the Villa' yet throughout his career with us I gave him nothing but pelters, so fickle us Villa fans (@DOL)
Signing for Rangers.
Signing for Rangers.
Who is?
Signing for Rangers.
Who is?
I assume he's talking about the NI keeper. Who apparently is.
Unless Heskey is as well. He would probably do just fine in the Premiership until he's fifty years old.
I thought Brady looked really good 2 seasons ago. The useless Lerner regime allowed him to join Norwich. Lerner was totally pathetic as a custodian of our great club.
I thought Brady looked really good 2 seasons ago. The useless Lerner regime allowed him to join Norwich. Lerner was totally pathetic as a custodian of our great club.
How do you know the manager at the time wanted him?
I thought Brady looked really good 2 seasons ago. The useless Lerner regime allowed him to join Norwich. Lerner was totally pathetic as a custodian of our great club.
How do you know the manager at the time wanted him?
I don't but the management at the time were poor decision makers - and look where the club finds itself as a result.
Hendrick and Brady would be good additions for the Championship...and Long would run riot if he could be persuaded to drop down for a season.We always make Shane Long look world class. Maybe if he played for us, he'd bang in 30 goals a season.
Just bumped into Emile Heskey at Glasgow Central station. Can confirm he remains unattached and is available. Ludicrously I asked 'why not come back to the Villa' yet throughout his career with us I gave him nothing but pelters, so fickle us Villa fans (@DOL)
I suspect Brady has a) Just put another couple of million on his fee and b) got a move back to the Prem.It's okay because we're still a Premier League club. We're just having a gap year to go travelling...to Huddersfield.
Hendrick and Brady would be good additions for the Championship...and Long would run riot if he could be persuaded to drop down for a season.
I'm sure Burnley were interested in Westwood
I'm heading North and can drop both off
Really would either of them be missed at all?
Westwood I had high hopes for but a succession of managers have picked him yet he just does not deliver
Sinclair - has there ever been a more anonymous footballer
Just bumped into Emile Heskey at Glasgow Central station. Can confirm he remains unattached and is available. Ludicrously I asked 'why not come back to the Villa' yet throughout his career with us I gave him nothing but pelters, so fickle us Villa fans (@DOL)
Did he fall over, and is he now out for two months?
I see the Ravell Morrison link seems to have resurfaced. I blame Lerner for that too.
Sinclair no but Westwood I'd keep.
Has somebody seriously suggested Shane Long would drop down a division?
A tour guide. His particularly speciality being to point out where the lavs are should any tourists ask.Sinclair no but Westwood I'd keep.
As what?
Something not adding up here, we've turned down £2m for Sinclair, who if we hold onto we'll be paying 60k / week...!!
He didn't look like the cornerstone of a promotion challenge to me.
Something not adding up here, we've turned down £2m for Sinclair, who if we hold onto we'll be paying 60k / week...!!
He didn't look like the cornerstone of a promotion challenge to me.
Where are you getting £60,000 per week from?
£60k p/w :D I know we've been stupid but not that stupid.
£60k p/w :D I know we've been stupid but not that stupid.
Gabby is our clown prince and Nzog was signed for bucket loads and was though of as a decent signing at the timeThat may have been your view of NZog at the time; it certainly wasn't mine ....
There is no way Sinclair gets 60k. I actually think he would be a key player in the championship and I'm glad we're holding firm. Too many times we give players away and I think £6m is a fair asking price for a striker.
Gabby is our clown prince and Nzog was signed for bucket loads and was though of as a decent signing at the timeThat may have been your view of NZog at the time; it certainly wasn't mine ....
How about Reza Ghoochannejhad, Brian?
There is no way Sinclair gets 60k. I actually think he would be a key player in the championship and I'm glad we're holding firm. Too many times we give players away and I think £6m is a fair asking price for a striker.
Been linked with Chris Gunter.
Would be in the Elphick mode, good attitude and dependable on the pitch. We're being linked to a few Reading players probably down to Clarke being here.
Also linked to Kane Hemmings who plays for Dundee...pretty sure he was at Tamworth a few years back?
Have I just dreamt Burnley about to offer £6M for Westwood?
According to The Express and Star we have turned down a bid from Celtic of £1m for Sinclair and unbelievable Crespo is still on our books.It was £2m in the week
Anyone take Steven Davis back? If he were to become surplus at Southampton and was ready to drop down a level (he's getting to that age). I think he's exactly the sort of player we need. Reliable, combative and has a bit of quality. He's a solid player and would also be a positive influence in the dressing room.
I mean the talk of Steven Davis and Shane Long just isn't going to happen.
I mean the talk of Steven Davis and Shane Long just isn't going to happen.
Which in itself is quite a depressing thought!
I reckons we will see some German based players coming in as they are more affordable than UK based players. But we will have to wait and see due changes to exchange rate from impact of brexit.
I see there's a link with McCormack today, I'm really not too keen on that idea.
I see there's a link with McCormack today, I'm really not too keen on that idea.
can score goals at this level no doubt, but he'll be 30 in August. not sure where the value in spending 10m odd on him is
They'd probably take the short term.Like Elphick has already done? He was already at a premiership club.
They'd probably take the short term.Like Elphick has already done? He was already at a premiership club.
Hypothetical question for you all -
You're a professional footballer capable of playing in the Premier League. There are 2 clubs interested in signing you - Burnley and Villa. Considering it only in terms of a career move, would you go for the small club that is Premier League but could go straight down again or the big club that is Championship and should be looking to get promoted and stay there?
I don't know much about Ross McCormack but he's scored 17 and 21 goals in the last 2 seasons respectively for Fulham. The simple formula of scoring goals and not conceding at the other end is what will get us out of the Championship sooner rather than later so not such a bad suggestion.
edit: McCormack was the second highest goalscorer last season and joint fourth highest for assists.
They would think like this: -
If Villa offers more, I'll go to them.
If Burnley offers more, I'll go to them
Burnley.
Have a good season in the Prem and you'll get better offers than Burnley or Villa.
They would think like this: -
If Villa offers more, I'll go to them.
If Burnley offers more, I'll go to themBurnley.
Have a good season in the Prem and you'll get better offers than Burnley or Villa.
That's only if you believe that the Aston Villa of the past five years will be the Aston Villa of the future. And that we won't re-establish ourselves in the English game as top football club.
I think the argument of taking the Premier deal and looking to move on having proved myself in the Prem is a strong argument, especially for younger players. If the same situation applied and I had a family, I wouldn't want to keep up-rooting them and could easily be swayed by a good case Villa could make about the new 'project' and the owner's ambition.
They are self made victims of waste. Remember 20million for W*nker Downing followed by 32M for someone they confined to reserves so this deal is right in line.
I see there's a link with McCormack today, I'm really not too keen on that idea.
can score goals at this level no doubt, but he'll be 30 in August. not sure where the value in spending 10m odd on him is
If he scores the goals that get us promoted then the subsequent Sky money we receive would make it a bargain.
I don't know enough about him to say whether he is the right man or not but I don't think we should shy away from spending those amounts if that is what the manager wants.
I see there's a link with McCormack today, I'm really not too keen on that idea.
can score goals at this level no doubt, but he'll be 30 in August. not sure where the value in spending 10m odd on him is
If he scores the goals that get us promoted then the subsequent Sky money we receive would make it a bargain.
I don't know enough about him to say whether he is the right man or not but I don't think we should shy away from spending those amounts if that is what the manager wants.
Assombalonga ( injured most of last season ) at Forest, is younger than McCormack by 6 years and is a proven top goalscorer in this division ....................Godzvilla!
I'd give up if I were a Southampton fan.
I'd give up if I were a Southampton fan.
Liverpool feeder club
Hypothetical question for you all -
You're a professional footballer capable of playing in the Premier League. There are 2 clubs interested in signing you - Burnley and Villa. Considering it only in terms of a career move, would you go for the small club that is Premier League but could go straight down again or the big club that is Championship and should be looking to get promoted and stay there?
I see there's a link with McCormack today, I'm really not too keen on that idea.
can score goals at this level no doubt, but he'll be 30 in August. not sure where the value in spending 10m odd on him is
If he scores the goals that get us promoted then the subsequent Sky money we receive would make it a bargain.
I don't know enough about him to say whether he is the right man or not but I don't think we should shy away from spending those amounts if that is what the manager wants.
Assombalonga ( injured most of last season ) at Forest, is younger than McCormack by 6 years and is a proven top goalscorer in this division ....................Godzvilla!
And if we cant make up a decent song for him we might as well give up.
Ross McCormack would be a superb signing. In a decent side he would score bucket loads. If we want goals and proven in this league then look no furtherhavent we already got Gestede- bucket load of goals in this league?
Hypothetical question for you all -
You're a professional footballer capable of playing in the Premier League. There are 2 clubs interested in signing you - Burnley and Villa. Considering it only in terms of a career move, would you go for the small club that is Premier League but could go straight down again or the big club that is Championship and should be looking to get promoted and stay there?
it's not just about that though. The age of the player comes into it. Will he go for the short-term lure of the Premier League or the long-term gamble that Villa are more likely to stay there than Burnley. If older int he tooth the player may go for the one chance of playing in the Premier League. it also depends where the player has come from. He may see the Premier league as his one shot, but also that we are his one shot at playing for a big club.
Lots to be taken into consideration rather than just one club or the other.
Gestede had one good season in the second tier, if I recall.Ross McCormack would be a superb signing. In a decent side he would score bucket loads. If we want goals and proven in this league then look no furtherhavent we already got Gestede- bucket load of goals in this league?
and how much did we pay for Gana ?
and how much did we pay for Gana ?
£9 million?
Looking at Rickie Lambert according to the Birmingham Mail.
Looking at Rickie Lambert according to the Birmingham Mail.
Lambert is now a few years older than when he was scoring goals for fun at the Championship level
The way we are going we could have the oldest team in the Division - Petrov, Lescott, Lambert, Hutton - not sure if any of these guys could play many games week after week in the Championship
I think we need a nippy winger - how about Matt Phillips at QPR?He is at 25 a good age however not sure why he would want to come this way. He is living in London probably on a good whack being as its QPR.
It's a shame Kozak is constantly picking up injuries, I think he'd do great in the Championship.
TBAR claiming we've bid for Danny Ings. Hope it's true.
TBAR claiming we've bid for Danny Ings. Hope it's true.
Yes, Yes and Yes again.............
loan ??
TBAR claiming we've bid for Danny Ings. Hope it's true.No chance.
TBAR claiming we've bid for Danny Ings. Hope it's true.
TBAR claiming we've bid for Danny Ings. Hope it's true.No chance.
Just can't see it.
Obviously I'd love to be wrong. He's a Premier League player. He could get a better move.
TBAR claiming we've bid for Danny Ings. Hope it's true.
Twitter: Jordan Ayew: "I'm in no rush to leave Aston Villa (@AVFCOfficial). I am happy to be there though we were relegated."
Ings was one of Liverpool's best players before he got injured last season.
TBAR claiming we've bid for Danny Ings. Hope it's true.
Now they've said it, it'll happen in two years time.
Twitter: Jordan Ayew: "I'm in no rush to leave Aston Villa (@AVFCOfficial). I am happy to be there though we were relegated."
Some positivity. Good player, will be great in the Championship.
Twitter: Jordan Ayew: "I'm in no rush to leave Aston Villa (@AVFCOfficial). I am happy to be there though we were relegated."
Some positivity. Good player, will be great in the Championship.
Would love it if he stays. He'd be hands down the best player in the division IMO. I could still see the club accepting a good offer though.
Twitter: Jordan Ayew: "I'm in no rush to leave Aston Villa (@AVFCOfficial). I am happy to be there though we were relegated."
Almost Churchillian.
Gayle undergoing a medical at Newcastle, would've been a decent signing for us. Not sure he's worth 10 million quid mind.Good he is not very consistant and hardly starts for the amazingly great footballing outfit that is Crystal Palace.
That was just a small extract from Ayew's interview - he ended it "For now, I'm still a Villa player. We'll see what God has for me (in next month)."
That was just a small extract from Ayew's interview - he ended it "For now, I'm still a Villa player. We'll see what God has for me (in next month)."
http://africanfootball.com/news/632665/Jordan-Ayew-prepared-to-stay-with-Aston-Villa
That was just a small extract from Ayew's interview - he ended it "For now, I'm still a Villa player. We'll see what God has for me (in next month)."
http://africanfootball.com/news/632665/Jordan-Ayew-prepared-to-stay-with-Aston-Villa
“I'm in no rush to leave Aston Villa. I am happy to be there though we were relegated,” Ayew told GHone TV.
“I am happy at Villa and I don’t want to rush. They need me and I want to help them to qualify back to the Premier League.
“I was with the team in the Premiership and I will play with them in the Championship."
That reads a lot better than the abstract did.
Not many rumours are there? It's very quiet at the moment.
Not many rumours are there? It's very quiet at the moment.
Not many rumours are there? It's very quiet at the moment.
I think that's a wise approach though from a new management team to see what they have first. And getting a proven leader in first and allowing Petrov to join in is great also. I'm sure we have irons in the fire to move quickly when needed.
Somehow TV the image of there being irons in the fire at the club is very satisfying. Kevin Bond sticking one up Gabby's arse appeals no end.
There have been a lot of young, pacey (mostly black) strikers coming through the lower leagues in recent years. We should find the next one
It may be assombalonga?
Ings had a full season in the Prem and scored goals. Moves to Liverpool and gets picked for England squad(s). Why on earth would he even be tempted to drop down a division now?May be just may be he wants on be on the pitch week in week out?
There have been a lot of young, pacey (mostly black) strikers coming through the lower leagues in recent years. We should find the next one
It may be assombalonga?
Why did you feel the need to mention skin colour?
There have been a lot of young, pacey (mostly black) strikers coming through the lower leagues in recent years. We should find the next one
It may be assombalonga?
Why did you feel the need to mention skin colour?
It was mostly an observation. But I do actually think that it can be a factor. I think it's fairly well evidenced that at Least some black people have extra athletic ability and pace. I think that can come in handy in forward positions especially
Not that I'd mind a honky if he could offer the same threat
There have been a lot of young, pacey (mostly black) strikers coming through the lower leagues in recent years. We should find the next one
It may be assombalonga?
Why did you feel the need to mention skin colour?
It was mostly an observation. But I do actually think that it can be a factor. I think it's fairly well evidenced that at Least some black people have extra athletic ability and pace. I think that can come in handy in forward positions especially
Not that I'd mind a honky if he could offer the same threat
There have been a lot of young, pacey (mostly black) strikers coming through the lower leagues in recent years. We should find the next one
It may be assombalonga?
Why did you feel the need to mention skin colour?
It was mostly an observation. But I do actually think that it can be a factor. I think it's fairly well evidenced that at Least some black people have extra athletic ability and pace. I think that can come in handy in forward positions especially
Not that I'd mind a honky if he could offer the same threat
There have been a lot of young, pacey (mostly black) strikers coming through the lower leagues in recent years. We should find the next one
It may be assombalonga?
Why did you feel the need to mention skin colour?
It was mostly an observation. But I do actually think that it can be a factor. I think it's fairly well evidenced that at Least some black people have extra athletic ability and pace. I think that can come in handy in forward positions especially
Not that I'd mind a honky if he could offer the same threat
There have been a lot of young, pacey (mostly black) strikers coming through the lower leagues in recent years. We should find the next one
It may be assombalonga?
Why did you feel the need to mention skin colour?
It was mostly an observation. But I do actually think that it can be a factor. I think it's fairly well evidenced that at Least some black people have extra athletic ability and pace. I think that can come in handy in forward positions especially
Not that I'd mind a honky if he could offer the same threat
What a dick.
There have been a lot of young, pacey (mostly black) strikers coming through the lower leagues in recent years. We should find the next one
It may be assombalonga?
Why did you feel the need to mention skin colour?
It was mostly an observation. But I do actually think that it can be a factor. I think it's fairly well evidenced that at Least some black people have extra athletic ability and pace. I think that can come in handy in forward positions especially
Not that I'd mind a honky if he could offer the same threat
What a dick.
A tiny white one.
I really rate Wilson, I think he'd be a terrific signing. Hopefully our new captain can have a word...Is he black though?
A tiny white one.Terrible racial stereotyping even if it is based on any scientific evidence!!
I really rate Wilson, I think he'd be a terrific signing. Hopefully our new captain can have a word...Callum Wilson would be a brilliant signing - I'd be amazed if Bournemouth wanted to let him go.
Somehow TV the image of there being irons in the fire at the club is very satisfying. Kevin Bond sticking one up Gabby's arse appeals no end.
West Ham will allow keeper Darren Randolph, 29, to leave for about £3m as the Republic of Ireland international wants more regular first-team football. Now him and Michael McGovern on a free would be decent .
Then take Fletcher and robson kanu on a free. Cost effective.
Reports today are that the incoming keeper could be Pierluigi Gollina from Hellas Verona.Get him in, a referee could be useful.
I thought he was a referee?
West Ham will allow keeper Darren Randolph, 29, to leave for about £3m as the Republic of Ireland international wants more regular first-team football. Now him and Michael McGovern on a free would be decent .
Then take Fletcher and robson kanu on a free. Cost effective.
Never buy on the evidence of a Euro / WC - there will be a reason McGovern played for Hamilton Accies, most pro keepers are good shot stoppers, there are a lot of other attributes that you would want to see by proper scouting....concentration, kicking, positioning etc
Likewise Robson-Kanu, one scuffed shot & running about a lot is not a recommendation.
Fletcher is so soft for a player of his physique, might do a job in the Championship but not sure he offers anything Gestede / Kozak don't.
Randolph did ok at BLose at this level so would be a decent shout although so did Steer so why not back the one we already have?
Crystal Palace have signed Andros Townsend from Newcastle - that is a big blow to Newcastle.
Crystal Palace have signed Andros Townsend from Newcastle - that is a big blow to Newcastle.
West Ham will allow keeper Darren Randolph, 29, to leave for about £3m as the Republic of Ireland international wants more regular first-team football. Now him and Michael McGovern on a free would be decent .
Then take Fletcher and robson kanu on a free. Cost effective.
Never buy on the evidence of a Euro / WC - there will be a reason McGovern played for Hamilton Accies, most pro keepers are good shot stoppers, there are a lot of other attributes that you would want to see by proper scouting....concentration, kicking, positioning etc
Likewise Robson-Kanu, one scuffed shot & running about a lot is not a recommendation.
Fletcher is so soft for a player of his physique, might do a job in the Championship but not sure he offers anything Gestede / Kozak don't.
Randolph did ok at BLose at this level so would be a decent shout although so did Steer so why not back the one we already have?
Bloser who I know is a box holder at the Sty reckons Randolph was awful for them. He said Maik Taylor was the last decent keeper they've had. Mind you what does he know following that pile of shite?
Crystal Palace have signed Andros Townsend from Newcastle - that is a big blow to Newcastle.
Ings had a full season in the Prem and scored goals. Moves to Liverpool and gets picked for England squad(s). Why on earth would he even be tempted to drop down a division now?May be just may be he wants on be on the pitch week in week out?
Crystal Palace have signed Andros Townsend from Newcastle - that is a big blow to Newcastle.
Dwight Gayle has gone the other way. I can understand why they would want a striker like him in the Championship, and that is one of their weakest areas. But I agree that losing Townsend is a blow. Guess he just wanted PL football.
Well Fletcher's gone to Sheff Wed so that's him off the radar. lambert it is then.
Wilson would be a good (and surprising signing). I thought he was a Coventry fan and previously stated he would never play for us?
Meanwhile, £10million defender Jordan Amavi has been linked with Southampton in a possible reunion with former his boss Claude Puel. Puel, who brought left-back Amavi into senior football with Nice, is reportedly keen to make the 22-year-old one of his first captures.
www.expressandstar.com/sport/aston-villa-fc
I imagine Eric Black is marking the new Southampton manager's card and we can expect him trying his luck to get, as well as Amavi, Traore, Green, Hepburn-Murphy, Toner, Lyden even Grealish, who were being protected from playing by Black because they were important for our future.!
Robson-Kanu on a free could be a useful squad option. Knows the league, works hard and can play in a number of positions.And I said this before his goal. :)
Robson-Kanu on a free could be a useful squad option. Knows the league, works hard and can play in a number of positions.And I said this before his goal. :)
West Ham will allow keeper Darren Randolph, 29, to leave for about £3m as the Republic of Ireland international wants more regular first-team football. Now him and Michael McGovern on a free would be decent .
Then take Fletcher and robson kanu on a free. Cost effective.
Never buy on the evidence of a Euro / WC - there will be a reason McGovern played for Hamilton Accies, most pro keepers are good shot stoppers, there are a lot of other attributes that you would want to see by proper scouting....concentration, kicking, positioning etc
Likewise Robson-Kanu, one scuffed shot & running about a lot is not a recommendation.
Fletcher is so soft for a player of his physique, might do a job in the Championship but not sure he offers anything Gestede / Kozak don't.
Randolph did ok at BLose at this level so would be a decent shout although so did Steer so why not back the one we already have?
Robson-Kanu on a free could be a useful squad option. Knows the league, works hard and can play in a number of positions.And I said this before his goal. :)
Well done! Was thinking the same but you had the judgement to post it! lol.
The thing is Robson-Kanu scoring a scuffed effort and a good goal today doesn't make up for the fact that he's a 1 in 7 striker who's best ever season was scoring 7 in in 30. He's 27 and has never looked very good in his career, 2 international goals don't change that fact.
Robson-Kanu on a free could be a useful squad option. Knows the league, works hard and can play in a number of positions.Agree !!!
The thing is Robson-Kanu scoring a scuffed effort and a good goal today doesn't make up for the fact that he's a 1 in 7 striker who's best ever season was scoring 7 in in 30. He's 27 and has never looked very good in his career, 2 international goals don't change that fact.
The thing is Robson-Kanu scoring a scuffed effort and a good goal today doesn't make up for the fact that he's a 1 in 7 striker who's best ever season was scoring 7 in in 30. He's 27 and has never looked very good in his career, 2 international goals don't change that fact.
If Wales win the euros .... I think it changes things . They can at least get to the final . So not unlikely he wouldn't score a final goal even if don't win! Shows something
Under Steve Clarke his career was revitalised! He was the leading player as Reading reached the FA Cup semi final.
To be fair to Robson-Kanu I think he's played more as a winger throughout his career, so his scoring record kind of reflects that.
The thing is Robson-Kanu scoring a scuffed effort and a good goal today doesn't make up for the fact that he's a 1 in 7 striker who's best ever season was scoring 7 in in 30. He's 27 and has never looked very good in his career, 2 international goals don't change that fact.
If Wales win the euros .... I think it changes things . They can at least get to the final . So not unlikely he wouldn't score a final goal even if don't win! Shows something
Yes, it shows he's had a good tournament, nothing more.
To be fair to Robson-Kanu I think he's played more as a winger throughout his career, so his scoring record kind of reflects that.
Dzsudzsák Hungary would be good.
As would Brady and Hoolahan.
Gunnarson has experiences in championship football and sigurdsson defender against England was first class. These guys are all decent and wouldn't say no
For the rigt price I think we could do worse than Robson-Kanu but it is a bit risky basing such a thing on a couple of good performances at an International Tourament. Think there are other areas we need to focus on than up front anyway. As a good, hard working pro who may get 8 or 10 goals a season he maybe worth a risk though.
Oh really ? An Italian keeper! That's just coz rdm is an Italian Swiss. I thought only after provern or uk provern players especially after the unsuccessful recruitment of Europeans last season. That says Italian keepers are one of the best around and the chap you've mentioned, having done some research , was at no other than Manchester United. Personally I'd like vorm from spurs on a season long loan but likes of Randolph or McGovern would be nice . Any international pedigree keeper really within reason.
Dzsudzsák Hungary would be good.
As would Brady and Hoolahan.
Gunnarson has experiences in championship football and sigurdsson defender against England was first class. These guys are all decent and wouldn't say no
How do you know they wouldn't say no?
Oh really ? An Italian keeper! That's just coz rdm is an Italian Swiss. I thought only after provern or uk provern players especially after the unsuccessful recruitment of Europeans last season. That says Italian keepers are one of the best around and the chap you've mentioned, having done some research , was at no other than Manchester United. Personally I'd like vorm from spurs on a season long loan but likes of Randolph or McGovern would be nice . Any international pedigree keeper really within reason.
Randolph and McGovern who have spent their careers muddling around in Scotland or the lower leagues. Don't let a couple of good shot stopping performances fool you, they're not good enough long term.
Why aren't we signing anyone?Players only got back to training the other day. Expect he wants a good look at them first, even though he probably knows what we need.
For the rigt price I think we could do worse than Robson-Kanu but it is a bit risky basing such a thing on a couple of good performances at an International Tourament. Think there are other areas we need to focus on than up front anyway. As a good, hard working pro who may get 8 or 10 goals a season he maybe worth a risk though.
I think it's more a case of RDM and Co looking at them all in the Austrian training camp, than shifting in and out
Guzan won't be reporting to training for a couple of weeks because of his games with the U.S so if they were wanting to see players in training first, they might not be in such a hurry to get a 'keeper. Actually, I suspect they mostly know who they want to keep, sell and bring in but it takes time for deals to happen.
If we bought Bannan as part of a £13m deal I'd be hoping the other playerwas worth £12m of it.is the proper Messi.
According to Sky Sports News HQ, Robson-Kanu has had interest from 4 Premier league clubs and China
Forestieri I like the look of on the brief highlights I've seen, granted they could probably make even me look good by the amount of air time they give though....
Bannan? naaaaa....
For the rigt price I think we could do worse than Robson-Kanu but it is a bit risky basing such a thing on a couple of good performances at an International Tourament. Think there are other areas we need to focus on than up front anyway. As a good, hard working pro who may get 8 or 10 goals a season he maybe worth a risk though.
Why is he magically going to turn from a player who gets three goals per season into a player who gets ten goals per season?
He strikes me as being the sort of player who will bust a gut for Wales but largely anonymous at club level. Because if he was that player at club level as he has shown these past couple of weeks he wouldn't be a free agent today. And he'd probably be playing for a PL side.
I think Hennessey is an awful keeper.
He strikes me as being the sort of player who will bust a gut for Wales but largely anonymous at club level. Because if he was that player at club level as he has shown these past couple of weeks he wouldn't be a free agent today. And he'd probably be playing for a PL side.
That could go either way. You might be right but it could also work out that whoever takes the gamble on him and plays him up front rather than out wide benefits. He seems like a Shane Long type to me. Never prolific but works his bollocks off and when you've got someone pressing from the front, it helps the rest of the team.
He strikes me as being the sort of player who will bust a gut for Wales but largely anonymous at club level. Because if he was that player at club level as he has shown these past couple of weeks he wouldn't be a free agent today. And he'd probably be playing for a PL side.
That could go either way. You might be right but it could also work out that whoever takes the gamble on him and plays him up front rather than out wide benefits. He seems like a Shane Long type to me. Never prolific but works his bollocks off and when you've got someone pressing from the front, it helps the rest of the team.
My view has always been that you play somebody up front to score goals.
This season, probably more so than before, we are going to need to score goals, if recent history of the division is anything to go by. That means that the guy that leads the line is going to have to be a 20+ goals a season player at this level.
I don't think a striker is the most important position we need a winger and a big hard bastard in midfield. I'm confident Ayew/Gestede will score enough goals if they get the service.
I don't think a striker is the most important position we need a winger and a big hard bastard in midfield. I'm confident Ayew/Gestede will score enough goals if they get the service.
We've been missing that 'hard bastard' in midfield for several seasons. I've said time and again we are way to lightweight in midfield and need an enforcer to help them.
We need more physicality. Gueye isn't bad at closing down, Sanchez is fairly strong, Westwood can pass. And yet together, they are fairly crap. We'd be better with two players in there who have these characteristics rather than this three.
So it's Sylla, Gana or Delph then? The Prem here we come.
Well I think we lack both kinds of midfielder player actually. But in such a fast pace league as the Championship the Milner type could come in more useful.
Well I think we lack both kinds of midfielder player actually. But in such a fast pace league as the Championship the Milner type could come in more useful.
Well I think we lack both kinds of midfielder player actually. But in such a fast pace league as the Championship the Milner type could come in more useful.
There no midfielder in our first team I would rush to keep.
Wee Barry fuck that. He isn't good enough hence why we sold him can't face seeing those 30 yard Fucking Hollywood balls. I just saw we were in for Matty Phillips?
I know it's still early, but it is a *little* concerning that there's barely been a peep about any other incomings other than elphick. I get that they want to see the squad in action on the training camp, but still.
What's been said in terms of a goalkeeper?
What's been said in terms of a goalkeeper?
Supposed to have bid about 4.1M for an Hellas Verona GK. Called something like Pierluigi Gollina.
Where is the recent Matt Philips link? I can see us being linked with him in articles from 2012 and 2105 but not recently?He'll be a bit past it in 2105 i'd have thought!!!
Haha! Ooops. If only I did have access to a Back To The Future type article.Where is the recent Matt Philips link? I can see us being linked with him in articles from 2012 and 2105 but not recently?He'll be a bit past it in 2105 i'd have thought!!!
We need more physicality. Gueye isn't bad at closing down, Sanchez is fairly strong, Westwood can pass. And yet together, they are fairly crap. We'd be better with two players in there who have these characteristics rather than this three.
Agree. I just wonder if next season could finally be the season for Gardner to come good.
Where is the recent Matt Philips link? I can see us being linked with him in articles from 2012 and 2105 but not recently?
I'm getting more concerned that the usual suspects don't seem to be going anywhere.
I'm getting more concerned that the usual suspects don't seem to be going anywhere.
http://www.teamtalk.com/news/aston-villa-make-5million-bid-for-reading-midfielder
Reported all over social media 5m bid has been made?
Anyone know anything about him?
Reported all over social media 5m bid has been made?
Anyone know anything about him?
Reported all over social media 5m bid has been made?
Anyone know anything about him?
From´getreading´, looks like a deal is in the works...............Godzvilla!
" Reading FC have accepted a £5 million bid from Aston Villa for Aaron Tshibola .
The midfielder has now travelled up to the Midlands to discuss personal terms - with a deal expected to be completed this week.
Boss Jaap Stam did not want to lose Tshibola, something he made clear last week when he faced the media at Hogwood Park.
But getreading understands Tshibola has since told the club that he wants to move to Villa Park, forcing Royals to reluctantly accept the offer.
Steve Clarke - who gave Tshibola his Reading debut - is now assistant manager at Aston Villa and is a huge fan of the 21-year-old.
Crystal Palace, Celtic and Norwich City have also been linked with the Madejski Stadium academy product, but Villa look to have won the race ".
Reported all over social media 5m bid has been made?
Anyone know anything about him?
From´getreading´, looks like a deal is in the works...............Godzvilla!
" Reading FC have accepted a £5 million bid from Aston Villa for Aaron Tshibola .
The midfielder has now travelled up to the Midlands to discuss personal terms - with a deal expected to be completed this week.
Boss Jaap Stam did not want to lose Tshibola, something he made clear last week when he faced the media at Hogwood Park.
But getreading understands Tshibola has since told the club that he wants to move to Villa Park, forcing Royals to reluctantly accept the offer.
Steve Clarke - who gave Tshibola his Reading debut - is now assistant manager at Aston Villa and is a huge fan of the 21-year-old.
Crystal Palace, Celtic and Norwich City have also been linked with the Madejski Stadium academy product, but Villa look to have won the race ".
Sounds like a similar type of player to Gana.
i've just asked my Reading mate........
"You're probably paying about £4m too much" was the reply.
Maybe sour grapes, make of that what you will!!
Only played 13 games for Reading, apparently injured a lot but quite a few Royals fans were saying he has huge potential so who knows.£5m is a big ticket for a young and inexperienced player ....
I suppose if Gana goes for around 7/8 million , this might be the replacement .
I bet it would be 5m if he or we hit certain targets. It will be so much up front and a bunch of clauses including a promotion pay out to Reading.Yep, Wyness know's his onions.
I see Callum Robinson has joined Preston permanently
Sunderland are fucking mental.
£5 million really isn't that much in this market.
Charles N'Zogbia is at Sunderland
N'Zogbia has worked with Sunderland manager Sam Allardyce before, having been at Newcastle United when Allardyce joined the club in 2007.
Allardyce brought N'Zogbia back in from the cold, putting aside speculation that he would depart St. James' Park to hand him a start in his first competitive game. N'Zogbia's form for Newcastle that season would earn him a fresh five-year contract.
Aston Villa look set to go head to head with Sunderland for French full back Frederic Guilbert, according to a report in French news outlet France Football.
The French under-21 international could be set for a move to England with his contract set to expire in 2017, however according to reports, it remains unclear whether Villa will move for him now or wait until 2017.
Guilbert currently plays for French side Bordeaux, where he has impressed with a string of fine performances for the former French champions. After beginning his career with Caen, he has worked his way through the ranks to find himself with Jocelyn Gorvennec’s team.
£5 million really isn't that much in this market.
For a player from another Championship c!ub I imagine it would be one of the bigger fees this summer.
What nationality is Tish? Will we lose him for the Africa Cup of Nations?😠
What nationality is Tish? Will we lose him for the Africa Cup of Nations?😠
Born in Newham. Cockerknee territory. Played for England Under 18's once in 2013 according to Wiki.
£5 million really isn't that much in this market.
For a player from another Championship c!ub I imagine it would be one of the bigger fees this summer.
Maybe most of them, but I think Villa and Newcastle will be ahead of the pack on that front.
£5 million really isn't that much in this market.
For a player from another Championship c!ub I imagine it would be one of the bigger fees this summer.
Maybe most of them, but I think Villa and Newcastle will be ahead of the pack on that front.
If you believe what you read about the Dogheads' takeover, they'll have enough money to buy the world.
The Reading journo rated him saying that they should build a team around him. They rejected Norwich's bid and said they should only sell if a bid of 6 or 7 mil came in. So, he clearly is rated.
What nationality is Tish? Will we lose him for the Africa Cup of Nations?😠
Born in Newham. Cockerknee territory. Played for England Under 18's once in 2013 according to Wiki.
Ah. Welsh then.
After 4 years away from football, i'd be very surprised if Petrov was in the starting line up.
just having him around as a reminder of the stoicism, fortitude and determination he has shown since his illness, should be a fillip to everyone at the club.
The new Villa is starting to take shape, I do think the line up starting next season could be completely different to the one finishing next season. For example;
New Keeper (TBC but seems there will def be one)
Hutton Okore Elphick Amavi
Tshibola
Gardner Petrov
Traore Grealish
Ayew
The new Villa is starting to take shape, I do think the line up starting next season could be completely different to the one finishing next season. For example;
New Keeper (TBC but seems there will def be one)
Hutton Okore Elphick Amavi
Tshibola
Gardner Petrov
Traore Grealish
Ayew
I would rather see:
New Keeper
New RB Okore Elphick Amavi
Veretout Tshibola
Traore Grealish Ayew
New Striker
I wouldn't like to be relying on Okore, Grealish, Traore and Veretout to deliver the goods next season. I also think Petrov will be more likely on the bench especially to start with and it's possible Amavi and Ayew won't be with us although I certainly hope they are. We also haven't seen much of Gardner yet to form a proper opinion and Whilst I could live with playing Hutton as regular right back a new one might be better. Otherwise, good call :-)
Well my step son and his mates are all Reading ST holders and think we have a steal. They are gutted to see him go and said think Delph but much stronger. That'll do for me!
If Petrov plays for us next season we will struggle like fuck in Midfield again. Lovely bloke, great story, courage in bucket loads but he's finished as a pro footballer.You may well be right, but you simply don't have enough information to be that dismissive. Why don't we let Di Matteo make that call after watching him through a full pre-season eh?
Another signing is ´en route´( according to Tuttomercatoweb... http://footballleagueworld.co.uk/aston-villa-set-to-complete-deal-for-former-21-year-old-italian-star/? ).......Godzvilla! .
ASTON VILLA SET TO COMPLETE DEAL FOR 21-YEAR-OLD ITALIAN STAR
Date: 5th July 2016 at 9:15am
Written by: Lee Connor
Aston Villa are set to complete the signing of goalkeeper Pierluigi Gollini, according to Italian news outlet Tuttomercatoweb.
The report claims that the 21-year-old goalkeeper has left Italy and flown to England for talks about a deal set to be worth a reported £5m.
New Villa manager Roberto Di Matteo is keen to add new players to his squad, backed by new owner Tony Xia’s funds, and has identified Gollini as the ideal replacement for Brad Guzan and Mark Bunn.
Gollini has already had a spell in England following his apprenticeship with Manchester United, but failed to make an impression at Old Trafford before being moved on to Verona.
The stopper impressed last season for Verona, where his performances have caught the eye of a number of clubs in Europe. However, it appears Di Matteo will be using his Italian connections to lure Gollini to Villa Park as his squad rebuild continues.
Another signing is ´en route´( according to Tuttomercatoweb... http://footballleagueworld.co.uk/aston-villa-set-to-complete-deal-for-former-21-year-old-italian-star/? ).......Godzvilla! .
ASTON VILLA SET TO COMPLETE DEAL FOR 21-YEAR-OLD ITALIAN STAR
Date: 5th July 2016 at 9:15am
Written by: Lee Connor
Aston Villa are set to complete the signing of goalkeeper Pierluigi Gollini, according to Italian news outlet Tuttomercatoweb.
The report claims that the 21-year-old goalkeeper has left Italy and flown to England for talks about a deal set to be worth a reported £5m.
New Villa manager Roberto Di Matteo is keen to add new players to his squad, backed by new owner Tony Xia’s funds, and has identified Gollini as the ideal replacement for Brad Guzan and Mark Bunn.
Gollini has already had a spell in England following his apprenticeship with Manchester United, but failed to make an impression at Old Trafford before being moved on to Verona.
The stopper impressed last season for Verona, where his performances have caught the eye of a number of clubs in Europe. However, it appears Di Matteo will be using his Italian connections to lure Gollini to Villa Park as his squad rebuild continues.
Well found. No reason for the Italian media to make this up, wouldn't be big news there.
He's like our guys in that he's just come off the back of a tough season, Verona were the Villa of Serie A last season, finishing rock bottom.
I think we should be selling two keepers, Guzan and either Bunn or Steer, with the other staying as backup to the new guy.
After 4 years away from football, i'd be very surprised if Petrov was in the starting line up.Yes. I've always been one of his supporters, and I think it would be great to have him around the squad in some capacity, but it's unlikely that we could rely on the fitness of a 36 year old for a full season - leukaemia or no leukaemia.
Another signing is ´en route´( according to Tuttomercatoweb... http://footballleagueworld.co.uk/aston-villa-set-to-complete-deal-for-former-21-year-old-italian-star/? ).......Godzvilla! .
ASTON VILLA SET TO COMPLETE DEAL FOR 21-YEAR-OLD ITALIAN STAR
Date: 5th July 2016 at 9:15am
Written by: Lee Connor
Aston Villa are set to complete the signing of goalkeeper Pierluigi Gollini, according to Italian news outlet Tuttomercatoweb.
The report claims that the 21-year-old goalkeeper has left Italy and flown to England for talks about a deal set to be worth a reported £5m.
New Villa manager Roberto Di Matteo is keen to add new players to his squad, backed by new owner Tony Xia’s funds, and has identified Gollini as the ideal replacement for Brad Guzan and Mark Bunn.
Gollini has already had a spell in England following his apprenticeship with Manchester United, but failed to make an impression at Old Trafford before being moved on to Verona.
The stopper impressed last season for Verona, where his performances have caught the eye of a number of clubs in Europe. However, it appears Di Matteo will be using his Italian connections to lure Gollini to Villa Park as his squad rebuild continues.
Well found. No reason for the Italian media to make this up, wouldn't be big news there.
He's like our guys in that he's just come off the back of a tough season, Verona were the Villa of Serie A last season, finishing rock bottom.
I think we should be selling two keepers, Guzan and either Bunn or Steer, with the other staying as backup to the new guy.
I'd be surprised if a player who has played first team in Serie A (Admittedly relegated) will settle for the bench in the championship.
I certainly don't have a problem with Hutton. Whilst he is no Kyle Walker he has got the heart of a lion and should be good enough for the Championship, particularly if Amavi is providing a marauding threat on the left. There are many positions where we are more in need than this. Of course if a talented young right back becomes available at a good price then absolutely we should snap him up, but if not I think Hutton can do a very decent job for us at this level.
I certainly don't have a problem with Hutton. Whilst he is no Kyle Walker he has got the heart of a lion and should be good enough for the Championship, particularly if Amavi is providing a marauding threat on the left. There are many positions where we are more in need than this. Of course if a talented young right back becomes available at a good price then absolutely we should snap him up, but if not I think Hutton can do a very decent job for us at this level.
We should be having a look at Carl Jenkinson IMO. Just returned to Arsenal after a loan-spell at West ham (who now have Antonio and Byram competing for their RB spot). Just turned 24 and not going to get a sniff at Arsenal so the time is right for a permanent move. Always looked decent whenever I've seen him play.
If Petrov plays for us next season we will struggle like fuck in Midfield again. Lovely bloke, great story, courage in bucket loads but he's finished as a pro footballer.You may well be right, but you simply don't have enough information to be that dismissive. Why don't we let Di Matteo make that call after watching him through a full pre-season eh?
But you speak as if what you say is fact. We all know it's a very long shot, but most of us seem prepared to at least give him a chance in pre- season to see what unfolds whereas you seem desperate to write him off.If Petrov plays for us next season we will struggle like fuck in Midfield again. Lovely bloke, great story, courage in bucket loads but he's finished as a pro footballer.You may well be right, but you simply don't have enough information to be that dismissive. Why don't we let Di Matteo make that call after watching him through a full pre-season eh?
Close down the website and let's just wait until the first few games and what Di Matteo says then.
He's 37 and off the back of a terrible illness. Common sense tells me he's not going to be able to do something no one else has ever done. He's not super human. We need to buy proper midfielders, he's a good role model, keep him around, whatever, keep him off the pitch though.
If Petrov plays for us next season we will struggle like fuck in Midfield again. Lovely bloke, great story, courage in bucket loads but he's finished as a pro footballer.You may well be right, but you simply don't have enough information to be that dismissive. Why don't we let Di Matteo make that call after watching him through a full pre-season eh?
Close down the website and let's just wait until the first few games and what Di Matteo says then.
He's 37 and off the back of a terrible illness. Common sense tells me he's not going to be able to do something no one else has ever done. He's not super human. We need to buy proper midfielders, he's a good role model, keep him around, whatever, keep him off the pitch though.
If Petrov plays for us next season we will struggle like fuck in Midfield again. Lovely bloke, great story, courage in bucket loads but he's finished as a pro footballer.You may well be right, but you simply don't have enough information to be that dismissive. Why don't we let Di Matteo make that call after watching him through a full pre-season eh?
Close down the website and let's just wait until the first few games and what Di Matteo says then.
He's 37 and off the back of a terrible illness. Common sense tells me he's not going to be able to do something no one else has ever done. He's not super human. We need to buy proper midfielders, he's a good role model, keep him around, whatever, keep him off the pitch though.
Chemotherapy which he had will have affected his heart. He was fit before his illness, but I doubt due to the adverse effects of chemotherpay he will ever get back his fitness to be a top professional (and he is 4 years older). Saying that he could be a huge influence on the training pitch or on the subs bench?
If Petrov plays for us next season we will struggle like fuck in Midfield again. Lovely bloke, great story, courage in bucket loads but he's finished as a pro footballer.You may well be right, but you simply don't have enough information to be that dismissive. Why don't we let Di Matteo make that call after watching him through a full pre-season eh?
Close down the website and let's just wait until the first few games and what Di Matteo says then.
He's 37 and off the back of a terrible illness. Common sense tells me he's not going to be able to do something no one else has ever done. He's not super human. We need to buy proper midfielders, he's a good role model, keep him around, whatever, keep him off the pitch though.
Chemotherapy which he had will have affected his heart. He was fit before his illness, but I doubt due to the adverse effects of chemotherpay he will ever get back his fitness to be a top professional (and he is 4 years older). Saying that he could be a huge influence on the training pitch or on the subs bench?
All credit to and happy bday to Stan. Seeing him back in training is simply amazing and an inspiration to thousands of ppl across the world.
Whilst he looks in great shape compared to just a few months ago, I doubt he'll see much (if any) game time. We are talking about the same player that was literally blowing out his arse after 60 minutes, so even without considering his amazing return to health, unfortunately I doubt he'll be able to reach or maintain the fitness levels required at his age.
All credit to and happy bday to Stan. Seeing him back in training is simply amazing and an inspiration to thousands of ppl across the world.
Whilst he looks in great shape compared to just a few months ago, I doubt he'll see much (if any) game time. We are talking about the same player that was literally blowing out his arse after 60 minutes, so even without considering his amazing return to health, unfortunately I doubt he'll be able to reach or maintain the fitness levels required at his age.
If he takes Ashley Westwood's place all he has to do is stroll sideways back and forth in the middle of the pitch for ninety minutes. And balloon a shot over the bar once or twice.
If Petrov plays for us next season we will struggle like fuck in Midfield again. Lovely bloke, great story, courage in bucket loads but he's finished as a pro footballer.You may well be right, but you simply don't have enough information to be that dismissive. Why don't we let Di Matteo make that call after watching him through a full pre-season eh?
Close down the website and let's just wait until the first few games and what Di Matteo says then.
He's 37 and off the back of a terrible illness. Common sense tells me he's not going to be able to do something no one else has ever done. He's not super human. We need to buy proper midfielders, he's a good role model, keep him around, whatever, keep him off the pitch though.
Chemotherapy which he had will have affected his heart. He was fit before his illness, but I doubt due to the adverse effects of chemotherpay he will ever get back his fitness to be a top professional (and he is 4 years older). Saying that he could be a huge influence on the training pitch or on the subs bench?
Sorry but this is absolute horseshit.
Having had cancer and chemo, I ran marathons for years afterwards and was arguably fitter.
Chemo causes fast growing cells to die. Those cells can arguably come back fresher and stronger.
Please don't post based on some half assed theory or personal belief.
Stan might not get near the team at all but his fitness at 36 is gonna be at least similar if not better than his peers of similar age.
We are talking about the same player that was literally blowing out his arse after 60 minutes
But being fitter than his peers (and he's turned 37 today) isn't the point in question. It's whether he'll be fit enough to play professional football at a very high standard. Ignoring his illness altogether, he's had 4 years out of the game. There won't be many (if any) 37 year-old outfield players playing in the Championship AT ALL next season, let alone ones who have gone without football for so long (and yes, I am discounting over-35s park football).
Sentiment aside, are we also expecting the Club to offer him a professional contract? Don't get me wrong, it would be the stuff of Hollywood screen-plays if it happened, but I'd be literally amazed if we ever see him playing competitive football for Aston Villa again.
If he takes Ashley Westwood's place all he has to do is stroll sideways back and forth in the middle of the pitch for ninety minutes. And balloon a shot over the bar once or twice.
And point. Don't forget the pointing.
Brum Mail saying Tshibola is imminent?
Brum Mail saying Tshibola is imminent?
Any news on vaccinations?
Like.Brum Mail saying Tshibola is imminent?
Any news on vaccinations?
I'd be surprised if Petrov plays a single minute this season. Surprised but delighted.
Don't forget the hat!Brum Mail saying Tshibola is imminent?
Any news on vaccinations?
Fetch your coat!
Burnley poised to offer 6 mil for Westwood. I can hear the sound of hands snapping.
Burnley poised to offer 6 mil for Westwood. I can hear the sound of hands snapping.
Burnley poised to offer 6 mil for Westwood. I can hear the sound of hands snapping.
That's a backwards move long term for Westwood. He must be delighted.
Boro spending £12m on Marten De Roon. Who he?It's Rooney's new identity after going into hiding following that abysmal showing in the Euro's.
I'd quite happily keep Westwood as a squad player but fucking hell, for 6 Million I'll fireman lift the fucker all the way there on foot.
The obsession with staying in the Premier League is odd to me. Villa are likely to be at the top end of the Championship and Burnley are likely to be near the bottom of the Premier League. Leaving aside the fact they might switch places after one year, wouldn't it be more fun to win most weeks in the Championship than lose most weeks in the Premier League.
That's a backwards move long term for Westwood. He must be delighted.
The obsession with staying in the Premier League is odd to me. Villa are likely to be at the top end of the Championship and Burnley are likely to be near the bottom of the Premier League. Leaving aside the fact they might switch places after one year, wouldn't it be more fun to win most weeks in the Championship than lose most weeks in the Premier League.Good point.
Someone on Twitter threatening to cut up his season ticket if Westwood leaves....
...puts those Tshibola opinions into perspective.
Someone on Twitter threatening to cut up his season ticket if Westwood leaves....
...puts those Tshibola opinions into perspective.
Yes, but it was a Burnley fan.
I don't want to fall out with anyone but for all these people offering to drive him to Burnley I will fight you to the death for the opportunity to drive him there the quickest. Obviously my job would be made a lot easier by him pointing me in the right direction all the way there.
It could be his dad?
It could be his dad?On that theme I heard about an Icelandic player who made his professional debut by coming on as a sub for his dad.
OK wiki helped:In a friendly against Estonia on 24 April 1996 in Tallinn, Eiður Smári Guðjohnsen entered as a substitute for his father Arnór. This marked the first time that a father and son played in the same international match.It could be his dad?On that theme I heard about an Icelandic player who made his professional debut by coming on as a sub for his dad.
OK wiki helped:In a friendly against Estonia on 24 April 1996 in Tallinn, Eiður Smári Guðjohnsen entered as a substitute for his father Arnór. This marked the first time that a father and son played in the same international match.It could be his dad?On that theme I heard about an Icelandic player who made his professional debut by coming on as a sub for his dad.
Burnley poised to offer 6 mil for Westwood. I can hear the sound of hands snapping.
If Petrov plays for us next season we will struggle like fuck in Midfield again. Lovely bloke, great story, courage in bucket loads but he's finished as a pro footballer.You may well be right, but you simply don't have enough information to be that dismissive. Why don't we let Di Matteo make that call after watching him through a full pre-season eh?
Close down the website and let's just wait until the first few games and what Di Matteo says then.
He's 37 and off the back of a terrible illness. Common sense tells me he's not going to be able to do something no one else has ever done. He's not super human. We need to buy proper midfielders, he's a good role model, keep him around, whatever, keep him off the pitch though.
Chemotherapy which he had will have affected his heart. He was fit before his illness, but I doubt due to the adverse effects of chemotherpay he will ever get back his fitness to be a top professional (and he is 4 years older). Saying that he could be a huge influence on the training pitch or on the subs bench?
Sorry but this is absolute horseshit.
Having had cancer and chemo, I ran marathons for years afterwards and was arguably fitter.
Chemo causes fast growing cells to die. Those cells can arguably come back fresher and stronger.
Please don't post based on some half assed theory or personal belief.
Stan might not get near the team at all but his fitness at 36 is gonna be at least similar if not better than his peers of similar age.
Is correct
If Petrov plays for us next season we will struggle like fuck in Midfield again. Lovely bloke, great story, courage in bucket loads but he's finished as a pro footballer.You may well be right, but you simply don't have enough information to be that dismissive. Why don't we let Di Matteo make that call after watching him through a full pre-season eh?
Close down the website and let's just wait until the first few games and what Di Matteo says then.
He's 37 and off the back of a terrible illness. Common sense tells me he's not going to be able to do something no one else has ever done. He's not super human. We need to buy proper midfielders, he's a good role model, keep him around, whatever, keep him off the pitch though.
Chemotherapy which he had will have affected his heart. He was fit before his illness, but I doubt due to the adverse effects of chemotherpay he will ever get back his fitness to be a top professional (and he is 4 years older). Saying that he could be a huge influence on the training pitch or on the subs bench?
Sorry but this is absolute horseshit.
Having had cancer and chemo, I ran marathons for years afterwards and was arguably fitter.
Chemo causes fast growing cells to die. Those cells can arguably come back fresher and stronger.
Please don't post based on some half assed theory or personal belief.
Stan might not get near the team at all but his fitness at 36 is gonna be at least similar if not better than his peers of similar age.
Is correct
It depends of the chemotherapy you had. If you have chemotherapy for a haematological malignancy like Petrov the regimen it will be different to post op chemotherapy. Duanorubicin is often used in acute leukaemias and causes heart muscle damage. Heamatologists now get echocardiograms pre and post chemotherapy to assess the extent of damage. If recognised early it can be reversed in the first 6 months with an ACE- inhibitor.
This is not a half arsed theory but fact. I'm sorry if it offended you.
Someone on Twitter threatening to cut up his season ticket if Westwood leaves....
...puts those Tshibola opinions into perspective.
I saw something last week about Bunn and Leeds. ?
Presumably Hal Robson-Kanu is less of a "must sign" player tonight?To be fair to him he's not really a striker. I'd still sign him up as he'd be a useful squad option. But I wouldn't say he's the sort you want as your main man. I think he may end up being a little over hyped after the tournament. He'll get a Prem move and not quite live up to it.
A striker who doesn't score isn't a useful option.
A striker who doesn't score isn't a useful option.
Presumably Hal Robson-Kanu is less of a "must sign" player tonight?To be fair to him he's not really a striker. I'd still sign him up as he'd be a useful squad option. But I wouldn't say he's the sort you want as your main man. I think he may end up being a little over hyped after the tournament. He'll get a Prem move and not quite live up to it.
But he's the next CruyffA striker who doesn't score isn't a useful option.
And we have at least four players who would be a better option out wide. And we got relegated with them.
Presumably Hal Robson-Kanu is less of a "must sign" player tonight?
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Mark Hughes, when asked by the commentator on tonight's game about rumours of Stoke wanting the player sneeringly replied he was more likely to end up at Aston Villa, the brillo pad haired D
Did he really say that? The twat. He will live to regret it, but unfortunately when we finally get our act together he will be retired with a bucketload of cash and won't give a shit
Presumably Hal Robson-Kanu is less of a "must sign" player tonight?
If Petrov plays for us next season we will struggle like fuck in Midfield again. Lovely bloke, great story, courage in bucket loads but he's finished as a pro footballer.You may well be right, but you simply don't have enough information to be that dismissive. Why don't we let Di Matteo make that call after watching him through a full pre-season eh?
Close down the website and let's just wait until the first few games and what Di Matteo says then.
He's 37 and off the back of a terrible illness. Common sense tells me he's not going to be able to do something no one else has ever done. He's not super human. We need to buy proper midfielders, he's a good role model, keep him around, whatever, keep him off the pitch though.
Chemotherapy which he had will have affected his heart. He was fit before his illness, but I doubt due to the adverse effects of chemotherpay he will ever get back his fitness to be a top professional (and he is 4 years older). Saying that he could be a huge influence on the training pitch or on the subs bench?
Sorry but this is absolute horseshit.
Having had cancer and chemo, I ran marathons for years afterwards and was arguably fitter.
Chemo causes fast growing cells to die. Those cells can arguably come back fresher and stronger.
Please don't post based on some half assed theory or personal belief.
Stan might not get near the team at all but his fitness at 36 is gonna be at least similar if not better than his peers of similar age.
Is correct
It depends of the chemotherapy you had. If you have chemotherapy for a haematological malignancy like Petrov the regimen it will be different to post op chemotherapy. Duanorubicin is often used in acute leukaemias and causes heart muscle damage. Heamatologists now get echocardiograms pre and post chemotherapy to assess the extent of damage. If recognised early it can be reversed in the first 6 months with an ACE- inhibitor.
This is not a half arsed theory but fact. I'm sorry if it offended you.
Presumably Hal Robson-Kanu is less of a "must sign" player tonight?
I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid we can't do that.
I saw something last week about Bunn and Leeds. ?
Unlikely now as Leeds have signed Rob Green on a Bosman
I'd be fine with Mr Robson-Kanu coming in as a squad player.
Guzan to Boro looks less likely too with Victor Valdes joining.Think Brad will go back to the MLS
What would make the difference in the Championship is a goal scoring midfield player, in the mould of a David PlattTime for Grealish to step up to the Platt (plate).
What would make the difference in the Championship is a goal scoring midfield player, in the mould of a David Platt
Not for the money he will get in the MLS I doubt, we will be stuck with him I think for now.
Absolutely agree with this suggestion.What would make the difference in the Championship is a goal scoring midfield player, in the mould of a David Platt
Charlie Adam.
Not for the money he will get in the MLS I doubt, we will be stuck with him I think for now.
Think he would get at least the equivalent of what he is on now. Dempsey got big money to go to Seattle when we and other teams were sniffing around.
Absolutely agree with this suggestion.What would make the difference in the Championship is a goal scoring midfield player, in the mould of a David Platt
Charlie Adam.
Absolutely agree with this suggestion.What would make the difference in the Championship is a goal scoring midfield player, in the mould of a David Platt
Charlie Adam.
He's fatter than Gabby!!
Where has that kid from Reading gone? Thats all gone quiet?There were rumours it had fallen through, but think that came from twitter so who knows...
I hate Charlie Adam. He's a nasty bastard, not in a good Roy Keane on the pitch kind of way.
He is a cynical 'orrible' twat....exactly what we need.I hate Charlie Adam. He's a nasty bastard, not in a good Roy Keane on the pitch kind of way.
Why what's he done?
Charlie Adam is a massive cheat, which I have no great problem with, we need more nasty players.
The problem is that he is also massive.
He looks like he's eaten Gabby.
Birmingham City are considering a move for out-of-contract full-back Kieran Richardson, 31, who was released by Aston Villa earlier this summer. (Birmingham Mail)
Not worth me driving him there so will order him a taxi
Charlie Adam is a massive cheat, which I have no great problem with, we need more nasty players.
The problem is that he is also massive.
He looks like he's eaten Gabby.
He's not the most mobile of players. But he can pick a (forward) pass. Would do well in the Championship I would have thought. He does well enough in the Prem from what I've seen (although I've not seen him regularly only on odd highlights).
Charlie Adam is a massive cheat, which I have no great problem with, we need more nasty players.
The problem is that he is also massive.
He looks like he's eaten Gabby.
He's not the most mobile of players. But he can pick a (forward) pass. Would do well in the Championship I would have thought. He does well enough in the Prem from what I've seen (although I've not seen him regularly only on odd highlights).
No offence, but the fact your opinion is based on the highlights might be the key problem. He has a great left foot and can try and score from the halfway line, ping long passes etc, but his mobility is awful to the extent that picking him means you need an athlete alongside him to do his running. He is not good enough to justify that privilege in my opinion.
Charlie Adam is a massive cheat, which I have no great problem with, we need more nasty players.
The problem is that he is also massive.
He looks like he's eaten Gabby.
He's not the most mobile of players. But he can pick a (forward) pass. Would do well in the Championship I would have thought. He does well enough in the Prem from what I've seen (although I've not seen him regularly only on odd highlights).
No offence, but the fact your opinion is based on the highlights might be the key problem. He has a great left foot and can try and score from the halfway line, ping long passes etc, but his mobility is awful to the extent that picking him means you need an athlete alongside him to do his running. He is not good enough to justify that privilege in my opinion.
No offence taken. It's not as if I watch Stoke for a whole 90 mins that often (well generally only 2 games a season). I totally get what you're saying. That said I'd be prepared to put money on him being an upgrade on Westwood.
Birmingham City are considering a move for out-of-contract full-back Kieran Richardson, 31, who was released by Aston Villa earlier this summer. (Birmingham Mail)
Not worth me driving him there so will order him a taxi
What summer?
it was actually May 3rd, in the afternoon.
I'm sure there was an article a while back claiming that no-one would be leaving until RDM got to have a good look at them in pre-season. Maybe things will start moving once they're back.
Trouble is, players need time to bed in - especially foreign players in new surroundings etc. We saw the disaster of last season due part in to late arrivals.
The supposed Tshibola deal seems to have fizzled out. Have to say I'm underwhelmed by dealings so far. Interesting article by Mat Kendrick in the B'ham Mail mentioning that most of the wasters are on the Austria trip and yet promising youngsters like Green, Hepburn-Murphy have been left out.Have the youngsters been given extra time off following the tournament?
The supposed Tshibola deal seems to have fizzled out. Have to say I'm underwhelmed by dealings so far. Interesting article by Mat Kendrick in the B'ham Mail mentioning that most of the wasters are on the Austria trip and yet promising youngsters like Green, Hepburn-Murphy have been left out.
The supposed Tshibola deal seems to have fizzled out. Have to say I'm underwhelmed by dealings so far. Interesting article by Mat Kendrick in the B'ham Mail mentioning that most of the wasters are on the Austria trip and yet promising youngsters like Green, Hepburn-Murphy have been left out.
Trouble is, players need time to bed in - especially foreign players in new surroundings etc. We saw the disaster of last season due part in to late arrivals.
You're right. However it shouldn't take a season for them to settle in like last year. Get the right few and we'll be okay.
The supposed Tshibola deal seems to have fizzled out. Have to say I'm underwhelmed by dealings so far. Interesting article by Mat Kendrick in the B'ham Mail mentioning that most of the wasters are on the Austria trip and yet promising youngsters like Green, Hepburn-Murphy have been left out.
Bham Mail reporting Tshibola will follow Gollini through the door. Here's hoping.
Keeping an eye on the twitter feed where I supect we'll see a double announcement later this afternoon and I saw a picture from the Austria training camp - https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/751341251073572864
It took me a good 30 seconds to realise that's Bennett, he looks a lot less scrawny than he was a couple of years back.
True but one of Bennett's biggest problems was that he was far too easy to push off the ball, if he's managed to fix that then h might be worth another look, better than cissokho anyway.Agreed. A regular starter in his loans into the Championship over the last two seasons and better physique may make him a useful resource.
Pat Murphy is suggesting that neither Bamford or Ross McCormack are on our radar. Wonder who RDM is lining-up in that position, as we definitely need a number 9 type player.
Pat Murphy is suggesting that neither Bamford or Ross McCormack are on our radar. Wonder who RDM is lining-up in that position, as we definitely need a number 9 type player.
While Murphy is pretty good, Im sure that RDM doesn't discuss all his targets with Pat
Pat Murphy is suggesting that neither Bamford or Ross McCormack are on our radar. Wonder who RDM is lining-up in that position, as we definitely need a number 9 type player.
While Murphy is pretty good, Im sure that RDM doesn't discuss all his targets with Pat
True, but for Murphy to come out and categorically state that neither player are in his thoughts would suggest that he had some indication of that being the case.
Pat Murphy is suggesting that neither Bamford or Ross McCormack are on our radar. Wonder who RDM is lining-up in that position, as we definitely need a number 9 type player.
While Murphy is pretty good, Im sure that RDM doesn't discuss all his targets with Pat
True, but for Murphy to come out and categorically state that neither player are in his thoughts would suggest that he had some indication of that being the case.
Maybe mate, I wasn't picking faults with you by the way
I think we need a similar player. Maybe someone like Nahki Wells at Huddersfield?
I wonder if Danny Ings or Benik Afobe might be considered?
I wonder if Danny Ings or Benik Afobe might be considered?
I doubt if they'll sell Afobe so soon after buying him. Ings is possible.
I wonder if Danny Ings or Benik Afobe might be considered?
I doubt if they'll sell Afobe so soon after buying him. Ings is possible.
No, Ings isn't possible. Players of that calibre will not join a Championship club.
I wonder if Danny Ings or Benik Afobe might be considered?
I doubt if they'll sell Afobe so soon after buying him. Ings is possible.
No, Ings isn't possible. Players of that calibre will not join a Championship club.
What calibre is that?
You have to love the Doctors enthusiasm at least.
He posted: 'The club finally signed the talented Italian goalkeeper despite the fact he was being chased by a big club in Serie A and a few other clubs.
'Gollini will be one of the best goalkeepers in the world and has the ability to emulate Buffon in the future. He will be one of the key players in Aston Villa's defensive line with Tommy Elphick.
'And both of them look great!In the next month, more players could join the club. It is a new era for Aston Villa! UP THE VILLA.'
You have to love the Doctors enthusiasm at least.
He posted: 'The club finally signed the talented Italian goalkeeper despite the fact he was being chased by a big club in Serie A and a few other clubs.
'Gollini will be one of the best goalkeepers in the world and has the ability to emulate Buffon in the future. He will be one of the key players in Aston Villa's defensive line with Tommy Elphick.
'And both of them look great!In the next month, more players could join the club. It is a new era for Aston Villa! UP THE VILLA.'
I wonder if Danny Ings or Benik Afobe might be considered?
I doubt if they'll sell Afobe so soon after buying him. Ings is possible.
No, Ings isn't possible. Players of that calibre will not join a Championship club.
What calibre is that?
Signed by one of the leading clubs in England and just broke into the England international set-up before picking up an injury. That type of calibre.
I wonder if Danny Ings or Benik Afobe might be considered?
I doubt if they'll sell Afobe so soon after buying him. Ings is possible.
No, Ings isn't possible. Players of that calibre will not join a Championship club.
What calibre is that?
Signed by one of the leading clubs in England and just broke into the England international set-up before picking up an injury. That type of calibre.
That's not calibre, that's just someone who joined a big club then got injured.
I wonder if Danny Ings or Benik Afobe might be considered?
I doubt if they'll sell Afobe so soon after buying him. Ings is possible.
No, Ings isn't possible. Players of that calibre will not join a Championship club.
What calibre is that?
You have to love the Doctors enthusiasm at least.
He posted: 'The club finally signed the talented Italian goalkeeper despite the fact he was being chased by a big club in Serie A and a few other clubs.
'Gollini will be one of the best goalkeepers in the world and has the ability to emulate Buffon in the future. He will be one of the key players in Aston Villa's defensive line with Tommy Elphick.
'And both of them look great!In the next month, more players could join the club. It is a new era for Aston Villa! UP THE VILLA.'
Love the Doc.
Sessengnon and anichebe have left the Albion. I think Clarke signed anichebe there and initially got a song out of him. Both would be worth a trial though although maybe not an upgrade on what we already have to be fairAnchovy has not really done it either at the Bitters or at Bluescouse.
Jack needs good leadership and mentoring. If he gets it he'll tear the Championship a new one. I like that he has posted a few things about Stan recently. Precisely the type of guidance he needs.
Interesting that early reports are that some of our pros have really knuckled down this pre season. They won't all be here come the end of the window but you have to wonder who will be. At least encouraging. Bringing in Elphick and Petrov has been good moves and I can see Stan staying in some capacity even if not on a playing contract, which I believe he'll earn.With Elphick & Stan in the dressing room, I severely doubt there will be any of the 'f**king around' behaviour from last season.
I'd love for us to get someone in like Rashford. He's going to be marginalised at Man U because Mourinho will want his own players in that cost him money. He's never really embraced youth or younger players. I think he'd be superb in the Championship.Rashford will have a big season at Man Utd. No doubt he'd destroy in the Championship but he's very much a PL player and will get plenty of game time at Man Utd this season.
I'd love for us to get someone in like Rashford. He's going to be marginalised at Man U because Mourinho will want his own players in that cost him money. He's never really embraced youth or younger players. I think he'd be superb in the Championship.
So we currently have Ayew, Gestede, Gabby and Kozak...how many of these should be sold and replaced?
I can't see us being able to get rid of Gabby and I'd like us to keep hold of Ayew, so it would be Gestede and Kozak to go for me.
I'd love for us to get someone in like Rashford. He's going to be marginalised at Man U because Mourinho will want his own players in that cost him money. He's never really embraced youth or younger players. I think he'd be superb in the Championship.Rashford will have a big season at Man Utd. No doubt he'd destroy in the Championship but he's very much a PL player and will get plenty of game time at Man Utd this season.
The Championship would be the perfect development arena for a player like Rashford. I think Mourinho will still go after another forward and Rashford when he plays will get shunted out on to the wing. Not saying he'd come or be willing to drop a division but playing on a regular basis will do way more for his career and England than being sat on the bench.
But with our past reputation,could we be trusted with a rough diamond like Rashford? I doubt it very much. :-[
Who cares? Glory hunting bastards ; )The Championship would be the perfect development arena for a player like Rashford. I think Mourinho will still go after another forward and Rashford when he plays will get shunted out on to the wing. Not saying he'd come or be willing to drop a division but playing on a regular basis will do way more for his career and England than being sat on the bench.
dont think their fans would like that
About 10 years. I seriously cant think of a PL beater, never mind a world beater, which he undoubtedly is.But with our past reputation,could we be trusted with a rough diamond like Rashford? I doubt it very much. :-[
When you refer to the past how far back are you going?
I certainly wouldn't be calling any England player a world beater. It's precisely that kind of nonsense that has us where we are as an international football nation. My point is why couldn't he develop with us? The right coaching, a positive environment, hopefully a successful season.My point is in recent history, which teenager have we properly developed.
Ings...Rashford...they are some seriously deluded people on here.
I certainly wouldn't be calling any England player a world beater. It's precisely that kind of nonsense that has us where we are as an international football nation. My point is why couldn't he develop with us? The right coaching, a positive environment, hopefully a successful season.My point is in recent history, which teenager have we properly developed.
We borrowed him and he soon shot off IIRC, he reckoned he wanted to stay but that was bolloxI certainly wouldn't be calling any England player a world beater. It's precisely that kind of nonsense that has us where we are as an international football nation. My point is why couldn't he develop with us? The right coaching, a positive environment, hopefully a successful season.My point is in recent history, which teenager have we properly developed.
Kyle Walker was on loan at Villa and it didn't do him any harm.
Ings...Rashford...they are some seriously deluded people on here.
Kyle Walker was on loan at Villa and it didn't do him any harm.No but it do us harm that we eventually ended up being relegated partially due to not fixing our problems properly. Loans only benefit player and his owners.
The Championship would be the perfect development arena for a player like Rashford. I think Mourinho will still go after another forward and Rashford when he plays will get shunted out on to the wing. Not saying he'd come or be willing to drop a division but playing on a regular basis will do way more for his career and England than being sat on the bench.
I wonder if it'd be worth having a look at Blackett? I think Man U have released him.
Ings...Rashford...they are some seriously deluded people on here.
got to agree, especially rashford. the kid was banging them in in the prem but would benefit from a season in the championship :o
Ings...Rashford...they are some seriously deluded people on here.
got to agree, especially rashford. the kid was banging them in in the prem but would benefit from a season in the championship :o
because no young player has ever come through and then struggled to replicate that form the next season.
Ings...Rashford...they are some seriously deluded people on here.
got to agree, especially rashford. the kid was banging them in in the prem but would benefit from a season in the championship :o
because no young player has ever come through and then struggled to replicate that form the next season.
Yes, but that hypothetical player isn't sent on loan to the league below before being given a chance to try and replicate it.
Quite a few rumours online tonight about the club being in for Jonathan Kodjia at Bristol City. Scored a fair-few goals in a struggling side last season by all accounts.
That said, as others have mentioned, we currently have 4 senior strikers in the squad, so would be surprised if we bring in another before letting at least one go.
Ings...Rashford...they are some seriously deluded people on here.
Ings...Rashford...they are some seriously deluded people on here.
Rashford, not a chance. There's nothing deluded about thinking Ings might drop down a division maybe on loan for a season after his long lay off.
Yes because what a player who has played in the Premier League and scored goals, got a move to one if the top English clubs, broke into the national set-up will be thinking is, "I need to get back to the level that earned me a move to Liverpool and England recognition. I know what is best for my career at this point, a year in the Championship".
Come on. It's ludicrous to even consider it.
Yes because what a player who has played in the Premier League and scored goals, got a move to one if the top English clubs, broke into the national set-up will be thinking is, "I need to get back to the level that earned me a move to Liverpool and England recognition. I know what is best for my career at this point, a year in the Championship".
Come on. It's ludicrous to even consider it.
Yes because what a player who has played in the Premier League and scored goals, got a move to one if the top English clubs, broke into the national set-up will be thinking is, "I need to get back to the level that earned me a move to Liverpool and England recognition. I know what is best for my career at this point, a year in the Championship".
Come on. It's ludicrous to even consider it.
You may be right, but, we are Aston Villa, a big club who are going to rise from the ashes. I can see players being attracted to that.
Newcastle, in fairness, would have the same pull.
Yes because what a player who has played in the Premier League and scored goals, got a move to one if the top English clubs, broke into the national set-up will be thinking is, "I need to get back to the level that earned me a move to Liverpool and England recognition. I know what is best for my career at this point, a year in the Championship".
Come on. It's ludicrous to even consider it.
And what if he disappears after his breakthrough season? It's not like that hasn't happened before to others. And I would argue that it is one of the many reasons why England will never again win another tournament because young players accept sitting on the bench too readily. That playing regular football and learning your trade is somehow beneath them. Rashford might be the opposite and he might break into the Man U team and keep his spot. But there's plenty of evidence to support he notion that season 2 is a lot harder than the first and he might regress in his development at a time we would all hope as supporters of our national program he improves.
Yes because what a player who has played in the Premier League and scored goals, got a move to one if the top English clubs, broke into the national set-up will be thinking is, "I need to get back to the level that earned me a move to Liverpool and England recognition. I know what is best for my career at this point, a year in the Championship".
Come on. It's ludicrous to even consider it.
And what if he disappears after his breakthrough season? It's not like that hasn't happened before to others. And I would argue that it is one of the many reasons why England will never again win another tournament because young players accept sitting on the bench too readily. That playing regular football and learning your trade is somehow beneath them. Rashford might be the opposite and he might break into the Man U team and keep his spot. But there's plenty of evidence to support he notion that season 2 is a lot harder than the first and he might regress in his development at a time we would all hope as supporters of our national program he improves.
Yes he might go backwards. Second season and all that but players don't know that unless they have a go. Liverpool and Ings will be hoping that he gets up to fitness and pushes on. I doubt either them or he are in anyway contemplating a year of dropping his standards. Maybe in January or next summer, but now? No point.
Yes because what a player who has played in the Premier League and scored goals, got a move to one if the top English clubs, broke into the national set-up will be thinking is, "I need to get back to the level that earned me a move to Liverpool and England recognition. I know what is best for my career at this point, a year in the Championship".
Come on. It's ludicrous to even consider it.
And what if he disappears after his breakthrough season? It's not like that hasn't happened before to others. And I would argue that it is one of the many reasons why England will never again win another tournament because young players accept sitting on the bench too readily. That playing regular football and learning your trade is somehow beneath them. Rashford might be the opposite and he might break into the Man U team and keep his spot. But there's plenty of evidence to support he notion that season 2 is a lot harder than the first and he might regress in his development at a time we would all hope as supporters of our national program he improves.
Yes he might go backwards. Second season and all that but players don't know that unless they have a go. Liverpool and Ings will be hoping that he gets up to fitness and pushes on. I doubt either them or he are in anyway contemplating a year of dropping his standards. Maybe in January or next summer, but now? No point.
The thing is, you've used the words 'deluded and ludicrous'. You're almost making it sound like we're discussing Lionel Messi.
Macheda never looked brilliant though, unless he was playing us.
Macheda never looked brilliant though, unless he was playing us.
we have had quite a few of those
Yes because what a player who has played in the Premier League and scored goals, got a move to one if the top English clubs, broke into the national set-up will be thinking is, "I need to get back to the level that earned me a move to Liverpool and England recognition. I know what is best for my career at this point, a year in the Championship".
Come on. It's ludicrous to even consider it.
And what if he disappears after his breakthrough season? It's not like that hasn't happened before to others. And I would argue that it is one of the many reasons why England will never again win another tournament because young players accept sitting on the bench too readily. That playing regular football and learning your trade is somehow beneath them. Rashford might be the opposite and he might break into the Man U team and keep his spot. But there's plenty of evidence to support he notion that season 2 is a lot harder than the first and he might regress in his development at a time we would all hope as supporters of our national program he improves.
Yes he might go backwards. Second season and all that but players don't know that unless they have a go. Liverpool and Ings will be hoping that he gets up to fitness and pushes on. I doubt either them or he are in anyway contemplating a year of dropping his standards. Maybe in January or next summer, but now? No point.
The thing is, you've used the words 'deluded and ludicrous'. You're almost making it sound like we're discussing Lionel Messi.
Precisely. It's Marcus Rashford we are discussing or Danny Ings. When I think Rashford I see Macheda who was brilliant for a bit and then ended up disappearing from his early lofty heights. Rashford is 18, played 11 times for Man U and broke into the England set up as much because others around him were injured and because frankly our options as a nation up front are awful. There is no doubt he has done well, but he has a long way to go before cementing himself as a regular at PL or national team level.
Yes because what a player who has played in the Premier League and scored goals, got a move to one if the top English clubs, broke into the national set-up will be thinking is, "I need to get back to the level that earned me a move to Liverpool and England recognition. I know what is best for my career at this point, a year in the Championship".
Come on. It's ludicrous to even consider it.
And what if he disappears after his breakthrough season? It's not like that hasn't happened before to others. And I would argue that it is one of the many reasons why England will never again win another tournament because young players accept sitting on the bench too readily. That playing regular football and learning your trade is somehow beneath them. Rashford might be the opposite and he might break into the Man U team and keep his spot. But there's plenty of evidence to support he notion that season 2 is a lot harder than the first and he might regress in his development at a time we would all hope as supporters of our national program he improves.
Yes he might go backwards. Second season and all that but players don't know that unless they have a go. Liverpool and Ings will be hoping that he gets up to fitness and pushes on. I doubt either them or he are in anyway contemplating a year of dropping his standards. Maybe in January or next summer, but now? No point.
The thing is, you've used the words 'deluded and ludicrous'. You're almost making it sound like we're discussing Lionel Messi.
Precisely. It's Marcus Rashford we are discussing or Danny Ings. When I think Rashford I see Macheda who was brilliant for a bit and then ended up disappearing from his early lofty heights. Rashford is 18, played 11 times for Man U and broke into the England set up as much because others around him were injured and because frankly our options as a nation up front are awful. There is no doubt he has done well, but he has a long way to go before cementing himself as a regular at PL or national team level.
That's not the point. Why on earth would either contemplate dropping a division now? To pre-empt them becoming shit rather than actually doing their best to be successful? It's frankly a ridiculous debate and I think the word deluded is perfectly appropriate.
Quite a few rumours online tonight about the club being in for Jonathan Kodjia at Bristol City. Scored a fair-few goals in a struggling side last season by all accounts.
That said, as others have mentioned, we currently have 4 senior strikers in the squad, so would be surprised if we bring in another before letting at least one go.
Yes because what a player who has played in the Premier League and scored goals, got a move to one if the top English clubs, broke into the national set-up will be thinking is, "I need to get back to the level that earned me a move to Liverpool and England recognition. I know what is best for my career at this point, a year in the Championship".
Come on. It's ludicrous to even consider it.
And what if he disappears after his breakthrough season? It's not like that hasn't happened before to others. And I would argue that it is one of the many reasons why England will never again win another tournament because young players accept sitting on the bench too readily. That playing regular football and learning your trade is somehow beneath them. Rashford might be the opposite and he might break into the Man U team and keep his spot. But there's plenty of evidence to support he notion that season 2 is a lot harder than the first and he might regress in his development at a time we would all hope as supporters of our national program he improves.
Yes he might go backwards. Second season and all that but players don't know that unless they have a go. Liverpool and Ings will be hoping that he gets up to fitness and pushes on. I doubt either them or he are in anyway contemplating a year of dropping his standards. Maybe in January or next summer, but now? No point.
The thing is, you've used the words 'deluded and ludicrous'. You're almost making it sound like we're discussing Lionel Messi.
Precisely. It's Marcus Rashford we are discussing or Danny Ings. When I think Rashford I see Macheda who was brilliant for a bit and then ended up disappearing from his early lofty heights. Rashford is 18, played 11 times for Man U and broke into the England set up as much because others around him were injured and because frankly our options as a nation up front are awful. There is no doubt he has done well, but he has a long way to go before cementing himself as a regular at PL or national team level.
That's not the point. Why on earth would either contemplate dropping a division now? To pre-empt them becoming shit rather than actually doing their best to be successful? It's frankly a ridiculous debate and I think the word deluded is perfectly appropriate.
If you think it's ludicrous then don't engage in the debate. What's ludicrous is that an 18 year old player who is good and has had a good start to his career but hardly much more is being heralded as so much more than that. And that he is so amazing that he shouldn't consider career development outside of the PL, or that we have such a low self esteem that it shouldn't even be contemplated. That we should set our targets much, much lower than that.
The whole point of me mentioning his name is that players like Rashford, with the introduction of a manager like Mourinho might see his playing time curtailed. Add to the fact it is his second season and teams will be wiser to his presence. Young players suffer dips in form and confidence. We shouldn't so readily dismiss that this might happen and a move to a club like us who should have a good season in a lower tier might be a good thing, versus struggling to get noticed or joining a side at the arse end of the PL. Bloody hell you'd think I suggested a loan for Danny Welbeck or another fringe but established English PL player.
SSN reporting Marseille have triggered a £7.1m release clause for Gana
SSN reporting Marseille have triggered a £7.1m release clause for Gana
SSN reporting Marseille have triggered a £7.1m release clause for Gana
That's less than we paid for him isn't it? Surely even the previous set up wouldn't have been that stupid?
I would use the Gana money to get in Hendrick from Derby. Rumoured to be wanting £6-7m for him.
Gana's stats are good but I just see him as another Reo-Coker.
Someone who can win it and then is pretty hopeless on the ball and gives it away. Shooting is woeful also.
A shame as in his first few weeks he looked a very decent replacement for D*lph.
As much-maligned as he is Sanchez will probably be o.k in the DM role in the championship.
Gana's stats are good but I just see him as another Reo-Coker.
Someone who can win it and then is pretty hopeless on the ball and gives it away. Shooting is woeful also.
A shame as in his first few weeks he looked a very decent replacement for D*lph.
As much-maligned as he is Sanchez will probably be o.k in the DM role in the championship.
Gana wants out and he's bang average as it is. Take the money and re-invest it in the squad.
Gana's stats are good but I just see him as another Reo-Coker.
Someone who can win it and then is pretty hopeless on the ball and gives it away. Shooting is woeful also.
A shame as in his first few weeks he looked a very decent replacement for D*lph.
As much-maligned as he is Sanchez will probably be o.k in the DM role in the championship.
I'd rather have Reo-Coker than Gana.
For sale.
A central midfielder with no goals, no assists, few shots, with even fewer on target.
Rarely heads the ball, rarely runs with the ball.
Good at intercepting though.
Bargain at £7.1m.
It's not something would happen right now. Rashford is going to feel he has every chance to prove himself. But once the season is underway it might start to emerge that he isn't getting the playing time he wants. It might be a January thing. I'm just saying not to summarily dismiss it. This is a side that is going to spend hundreds of millions on new talent to bridge the gap to make a run at the title.Im with you TV. Mourinhos record with the young talent at Chelsea was criminal. I think there's every chance he would sanction a loan move for Rashford and if that does happen then why not the mighty Aston Villa?
Gana's stats are good but I just see him as another Reo-Coker.
Someone who can win it and then is pretty hopeless on the ball and gives it away. Shooting is woeful also.
A shame as in his first few weeks he looked a very decent replacement for D*lph.
As much-maligned as he is Sanchez will probably be o.k in the DM role in the championship.
It's not something would happen right now. Rashford is going to feel he has every chance to prove himself. But once the season is underway it might start to emerge that he isn't getting the playing time he wants. It might be a January thing. I'm just saying not to summarily dismiss it. This is a side that is going to spend hundreds of millions on new talent to bridge the gap to make a run at the title.Im with you TV. Mourinhos record with the young talent at Chelsea was criminal. I think there's every chance he would sanction a loan move for Rashford and if that does happen then why not the mighty Aston Villa?
It's not something would happen right now. Rashford is going to feel he has every chance to prove himself. But once the season is underway it might start to emerge that he isn't getting the playing time he wants. It might be a January thing. I'm just saying not to summarily dismiss it. This is a side that is going to spend hundreds of millions on new talent to bridge the gap to make a run at the title.Im with you TV. Mourinhos record with the young talent at Chelsea was criminal. I think there's every chance he would sanction a loan move for Rashford and if that does happen then why not the mighty Aston Villa?
because how on earth will playing in the championship help a player who has made it into the england set up?
if rashford does go out on loan there will be no end of takers and we wont be in the queue
I've just seen on twitter we have made a bid for Hendricks, McGrath knows how try it is. In the region of 6 million. FWIW i'd let Gana go, I very much doubt that he wants to be here.
Yes because what a player who has played in the Premier League and scored goals, got a move to one if the top English clubs, broke into the national set-up will be thinking is, "I need to get back to the level that earned me a move to Liverpool and England recognition. I know what is best for my career at this point, a year in the Championship".
Come on. It's ludicrous to even consider it.
And what if he disappears after his breakthrough season? It's not like that hasn't happened before to others. And I would argue that it is one of the many reasons why England will never again win another tournament because young players accept sitting on the bench too readily. That playing regular football and learning your trade is somehow beneath them. Rashford might be the opposite and he might break into the Man U team and keep his spot. But there's plenty of evidence to support he notion that season 2 is a lot harder than the first and he might regress in his development at a time we would all hope as supporters of our national program he improves.
Yes he might go backwards. Second season and all that but players don't know that unless they have a go. Liverpool and Ings will be hoping that he gets up to fitness and pushes on. I doubt either them or he are in anyway contemplating a year of dropping his standards. Maybe in January or next summer, but now? No point.
The thing is, you've used the words 'deluded and ludicrous'. You're almost making it sound like we're discussing Lionel Messi.
Precisely. It's Marcus Rashford we are discussing or Danny Ings. When I think Rashford I see Macheda who was brilliant for a bit and then ended up disappearing from his early lofty heights. Rashford is 18, played 11 times for Man U and broke into the England set up as much because others around him were injured and because frankly our options as a nation up front are awful. There is no doubt he has done well, but he has a long way to go before cementing himself as a regular at PL or national team level.
That's not the point. Why on earth would either contemplate dropping a division now? To pre-empt them becoming shit rather than actually doing their best to be successful? It's frankly a ridiculous debate and I think the word deluded is perfectly appropriate.
If you think it's ludicrous then don't engage in the debate. What's ludicrous is that an 18 year old player who is good and has had a good start to his career but hardly much more is being heralded as so much more than that. And that he is so amazing that he shouldn't consider career development outside of the PL, or that we have such a low self esteem that it shouldn't even be contemplated. That we should set our targets much, much lower than that.
The whole point of me mentioning his name is that players like Rashford, with the introduction of a manager like Mourinho might see his playing time curtailed. Add to the fact it is his second season and teams will be wiser to his presence. Young players suffer dips in form and confidence. We shouldn't so readily dismiss that this might happen and a move to a club like us who should have a good season in a lower tier might be a good thing, versus struggling to get noticed or joining a side at the arse end of the PL. Bloody hell you'd think I suggested a loan for Danny Welbeck or another fringe but established English PL player.
Manchester United's best prospect on loan? Come on! More likely than not he will have limited game time but he'll be sat on their bench.
I've just seen on twitter we have made a bid for Hendricks, McGrath knows how try it is. In the region of 6 million. FWIW i'd let Gana go, I very much doubt that he wants to be here
Why bother with Hendricks when we got gezza and iomi - rocking - love to see Gezza heard he did well in Euro 96 but was off me head with Toni an Ozzi at the time
If it were true he'd be an excellent signing.
Hopefully somebody agrees to pay us in a more stable currency, like the Zimbabwean Dollar.Damn... You edited it before I could start the punathon
Does anyone else think that we were aware Gana would be leaving and this lad from Reading is his replacement?
Yes because what a player who has played in the Premier League and scored goals, got a move to one if the top English clubs, broke into the national set-up will be thinking is, "I need to get back to the level that earned me a move to Liverpool and England recognition. I know what is best for my career at this point, a year in the Championship".
Come on. It's ludicrous to even consider it.
And what if he disappears after his breakthrough season? It's not like that hasn't happened before to others. And I would argue that it is one of the many reasons why England will never again win another tournament because young players accept sitting on the bench too readily. That playing regular football and learning your trade is somehow beneath them. Rashford might be the opposite and he might break into the Man U team and keep his spot. But there's plenty of evidence to support he notion that season 2 is a lot harder than the first and he might regress in his development at a time we would all hope as supporters of our national program he improves.
Yes he might go backwards. Second season and all that but players don't know that unless they have a go. Liverpool and Ings will be hoping that he gets up to fitness and pushes on. I doubt either them or he are in anyway contemplating a year of dropping his standards. Maybe in January or next summer, but now? No point.
The thing is, you've used the words 'deluded and ludicrous'. You're almost making it sound like we're discussing Lionel Messi.
Precisely. It's Marcus Rashford we are discussing or Danny Ings. When I think Rashford I see Macheda who was brilliant for a bit and then ended up disappearing from his early lofty heights. Rashford is 18, played 11 times for Man U and broke into the England set up as much because others around him were injured and because frankly our options as a nation up front are awful. There is no doubt he has done well, but he has a long way to go before cementing himself as a regular at PL or national team level.
That's not the point. Why on earth would either contemplate dropping a division now? To pre-empt them becoming shit rather than actually doing their best to be successful? It's frankly a ridiculous debate and I think the word deluded is perfectly appropriate.
If you think it's ludicrous then don't engage in the debate. What's ludicrous is that an 18 year old player who is good and has had a good start to his career but hardly much more is being heralded as so much more than that. And that he is so amazing that he shouldn't consider career development outside of the PL, or that we have such a low self esteem that it shouldn't even be contemplated. That we should set our targets much, much lower than that.
The whole point of me mentioning his name is that players like Rashford, with the introduction of a manager like Mourinho might see his playing time curtailed. Add to the fact it is his second season and teams will be wiser to his presence. Young players suffer dips in form and confidence. We shouldn't so readily dismiss that this might happen and a move to a club like us who should have a good season in a lower tier might be a good thing, versus struggling to get noticed or joining a side at the arse end of the PL. Bloody hell you'd think I suggested a loan for Danny Welbeck or another fringe but established English PL player.
Manchester United's best prospect on loan? Come on! More likely than not he will have limited game time but he'll be sat on their bench.
I agree.
I can't believe anyone really thinks we'd have a chance of a signing like that.
Yes because what a player who has played in the Premier League and scored goals, got a move to one if the top English clubs, broke into the national set-up will be thinking is, "I need to get back to the level that earned me a move to Liverpool and England recognition. I know what is best for my career at this point, a year in the Championship".
Come on. It's ludicrous to even consider it.
And what if he disappears after his breakthrough season? It's not like that hasn't happened before to others. And I would argue that it is one of the many reasons why England will never again win another tournament because young players accept sitting on the bench too readily. That playing regular football and learning your trade is somehow beneath them. Rashford might be the opposite and he might break into the Man U team and keep his spot. But there's plenty of evidence to support he notion that season 2 is a lot harder than the first and he might regress in his development at a time we would all hope as supporters of our national program he improves.
Yes he might go backwards. Second season and all that but players don't know that unless they have a go. Liverpool and Ings will be hoping that he gets up to fitness and pushes on. I doubt either them or he are in anyway contemplating a year of dropping his standards. Maybe in January or next summer, but now? No point.
The thing is, you've used the words 'deluded and ludicrous'. You're almost making it sound like we're discussing Lionel Messi.
Precisely. It's Marcus Rashford we are discussing or Danny Ings. When I think Rashford I see Macheda who was brilliant for a bit and then ended up disappearing from his early lofty heights. Rashford is 18, played 11 times for Man U and broke into the England set up as much because others around him were injured and because frankly our options as a nation up front are awful. There is no doubt he has done well, but he has a long way to go before cementing himself as a regular at PL or national team level.
That's not the point. Why on earth would either contemplate dropping a division now? To pre-empt them becoming shit rather than actually doing their best to be successful? It's frankly a ridiculous debate and I think the word deluded is perfectly appropriate.
If you think it's ludicrous then don't engage in the debate. What's ludicrous is that an 18 year old player who is good and has had a good start to his career but hardly much more is being heralded as so much more than that. And that he is so amazing that he shouldn't consider career development outside of the PL, or that we have such a low self esteem that it shouldn't even be contemplated. That we should set our targets much, much lower than that.
The whole point of me mentioning his name is that players like Rashford, with the introduction of a manager like Mourinho might see his playing time curtailed. Add to the fact it is his second season and teams will be wiser to his presence. Young players suffer dips in form and confidence. We shouldn't so readily dismiss that this might happen and a move to a club like us who should have a good season in a lower tier might be a good thing, versus struggling to get noticed or joining a side at the arse end of the PL. Bloody hell you'd think I suggested a loan for Danny Welbeck or another fringe but established English PL player.
Manchester United's best prospect on loan? Come on! More likely than not he will have limited game time but he'll be sat on their bench.
I agree.
I can't believe anyone really thinks we'd have a chance of a signing like that.
I think mourinhos record of loaning out young talent speaks fo itself and anything is possible. If it does happen then what? Are we not worthy?
Hopefully someone else meets Gana's clause fee and triggers a bidding war
Was it Mourhino that wouldn't let us borrow Huth?
Because premier league clubs are their rivals and championship clubs aren'tYes because what a player who has played in the Premier League and scored goals, got a move to one if the top English clubs, broke into the national set-up will be thinking is, "I need to get back to the level that earned me a move to Liverpool and England recognition. I know what is best for my career at this point, a year in the Championship".
Come on. It's ludicrous to even consider it.
And what if he disappears after his breakthrough season? It's not like that hasn't happened before to others. And I would argue that it is one of the many reasons why England will never again win another tournament because young players accept sitting on the bench too readily. That playing regular football and learning your trade is somehow beneath them. Rashford might be the opposite and he might break into the Man U team and keep his spot. But there's plenty of evidence to support he notion that season 2 is a lot harder than the first and he might regress in his development at a time we would all hope as supporters of our national program he improves.
Yes he might go backwards. Second season and all that but players don't know that unless they have a go. Liverpool and Ings will be hoping that he gets up to fitness and pushes on. I doubt either them or he are in anyway contemplating a year of dropping his standards. Maybe in January or next summer, but now? No point.
The thing is, you've used the words 'deluded and ludicrous'. You're almost making it sound like we're discussing Lionel Messi.
Precisely. It's Marcus Rashford we are discussing or Danny Ings. When I think Rashford I see Macheda who was brilliant for a bit and then ended up disappearing from his early lofty heights. Rashford is 18, played 11 times for Man U and broke into the England set up as much because others around him were injured and because frankly our options as a nation up front are awful. There is no doubt he has done well, but he has a long way to go before cementing himself as a regular at PL or national team level.
That's not the point. Why on earth would either contemplate dropping a division now? To pre-empt them becoming shit rather than actually doing their best to be successful? It's frankly a ridiculous debate and I think the word deluded is perfectly appropriate.
If you think it's ludicrous then don't engage in the debate. What's ludicrous is that an 18 year old player who is good and has had a good start to his career but hardly much more is being heralded as so much more than that. And that he is so amazing that he shouldn't consider career development outside of the PL, or that we have such a low self esteem that it shouldn't even be contemplated. That we should set our targets much, much lower than that.
The whole point of me mentioning his name is that players like Rashford, with the introduction of a manager like Mourinho might see his playing time curtailed. Add to the fact it is his second season and teams will be wiser to his presence. Young players suffer dips in form and confidence. We shouldn't so readily dismiss that this might happen and a move to a club like us who should have a good season in a lower tier might be a good thing, versus struggling to get noticed or joining a side at the arse end of the PL. Bloody hell you'd think I suggested a loan for Danny Welbeck or another fringe but established English PL player.
Manchester United's best prospect on loan? Come on! More likely than not he will have limited game time but he'll be sat on their bench.
I agree.
I can't believe anyone really thinks we'd have a chance of a signing like that.
I think mourinhos record of loaning out young talent speaks fo itself and anything is possible. If it does happen then what? Are we not worthy?
Not really. Why we he want to come here and more importantly why would Man Utd want him to come here when a dozen Premier League clubs would happily take him?
I've nothing to add to this. I just wanted to be a part of the biggest quotathon in history. McWhirter... Where are you?Because premier league clubs are their rivals and championship clubs aren'tYes because what a player who has played in the Premier League and scored goals, got a move to one if the top English clubs, broke into the national set-up will be thinking is, "I need to get back to the level that earned me a move to Liverpool and England recognition. I know what is best for my career at this point, a year in the Championship".
Come on. It's ludicrous to even consider it.
And what if he disappears after his breakthrough season? It's not like that hasn't happened before to others. And I would argue that it is one of the many reasons why England will never again win another tournament because young players accept sitting on the bench too readily. That playing regular football and learning your trade is somehow beneath them. Rashford might be the opposite and he might break into the Man U team and keep his spot. But there's plenty of evidence to support he notion that season 2 is a lot harder than the first and he might regress in his development at a time we would all hope as supporters of our national program he improves.
Yes he might go backwards. Second season and all that but players don't know that unless they have a go. Liverpool and Ings will be hoping that he gets up to fitness and pushes on. I doubt either them or he are in anyway contemplating a year of dropping his standards. Maybe in January or next summer, but now? No point.
The thing is, you've used the words 'deluded and ludicrous'. You're almost making it sound like we're discussing Lionel Messi.
Precisely. It's Marcus Rashford we are discussing or Danny Ings. When I think Rashford I see Macheda who was brilliant for a bit and then ended up disappearing from his early lofty heights. Rashford is 18, played 11 times for Man U and broke into the England set up as much because others around him were injured and because frankly our options as a nation up front are awful. There is no doubt he has done well, but he has a long way to go before cementing himself as a regular at PL or national team level.
That's not the point. Why on earth would either contemplate dropping a division now? To pre-empt them becoming shit rather than actually doing their best to be successful? It's frankly a ridiculous debate and I think the word deluded is perfectly appropriate.
If you think it's ludicrous then don't engage in the debate. What's ludicrous is that an 18 year old player who is good and has had a good start to his career but hardly much more is being heralded as so much more than that. And that he is so amazing that he shouldn't consider career development outside of the PL, or that we have such a low self esteem that it shouldn't even be contemplated. That we should set our targets much, much lower than that.
The whole point of me mentioning his name is that players like Rashford, with the introduction of a manager like Mourinho might see his playing time curtailed. Add to the fact it is his second season and teams will be wiser to his presence. Young players suffer dips in form and confidence. We shouldn't so readily dismiss that this might happen and a move to a club like us who should have a good season in a lower tier might be a good thing, versus struggling to get noticed or joining a side at the arse end of the PL. Bloody hell you'd think I suggested a loan for Danny Welbeck or another fringe but established English PL player.
Manchester United's best prospect on loan? Come on! More likely than not he will have limited game time but he'll be sat on their bench.
I agree.
I can't believe anyone really thinks we'd have a chance of a signing like that.
I think mourinhos record of loaning out young talent speaks fo itself and anything is possible. If it does happen then what? Are we not worthy?
Not really. Why we he want to come here and more importantly why would Man Utd want him to come here when a dozen Premier League clubs would happily take him?
I've nothing to add to this. I just wanted to be a part of the biggest quotathon in history. McWhirter... Where are you?Because premier league clubs are their rivals and championship clubs aren'tYes because what a player who has played in the Premier League and scored goals, got a move to one if the top English clubs, broke into the national set-up will be thinking is, "I need to get back to the level that earned me a move to Liverpool and England recognition. I know what is best for my career at this point, a year in the Championship".
Come on. It's ludicrous to even consider it.
And what if he disappears after his breakthrough season? It's not like that hasn't happened before to others. And I would argue that it is one of the many reasons why England will never again win another tournament because young players accept sitting on the bench too readily. That playing regular football and learning your trade is somehow beneath them. Rashford might be the opposite and he might break into the Man U team and keep his spot. But there's plenty of evidence to support he notion that season 2 is a lot harder than the first and he might regress in his development at a time we would all hope as supporters of our national program he improves.
Yes he might go backwards. Second season and all that but players don't know that unless they have a go. Liverpool and Ings will be hoping that he gets up to fitness and pushes on. I doubt either them or he are in anyway contemplating a year of dropping his standards. Maybe in January or next summer, but now? No point.
The thing is, you've used the words 'deluded and ludicrous'. You're almost making it sound like we're discussing Lionel Messi.
Precisely. It's Marcus Rashford we are discussing or Danny Ings. When I think Rashford I see Macheda who was brilliant for a bit and then ended up disappearing from his early lofty heights. Rashford is 18, played 11 times for Man U and broke into the England set up as much because others around him were injured and because frankly our options as a nation up front are awful. There is no doubt he has done well, but he has a long way to go before cementing himself as a regular at PL or national team level.
That's not the point. Why on earth would either contemplate dropping a division now? To pre-empt them becoming shit rather than actually doing their best to be successful? It's frankly a ridiculous debate and I think the word deluded is perfectly appropriate.
If you think it's ludicrous then don't engage in the debate. What's ludicrous is that an 18 year old player who is good and has had a good start to his career but hardly much more is being heralded as so much more than that. And that he is so amazing that he shouldn't consider career development outside of the PL, or that we have such a low self esteem that it shouldn't even be contemplated. That we should set our targets much, much lower than that.
The whole point of me mentioning his name is that players like Rashford, with the introduction of a manager like Mourinho might see his playing time curtailed. Add to the fact it is his second season and teams will be wiser to his presence. Young players suffer dips in form and confidence. We shouldn't so readily dismiss that this might happen and a move to a club like us who should have a good season in a lower tier might be a good thing, versus struggling to get noticed or joining a side at the arse end of the PL. Bloody hell you'd think I suggested a loan for Danny Welbeck or another fringe but established English PL player.
Manchester United's best prospect on loan? Come on! More likely than not he will have limited game time but he'll be sat on their bench.
I agree.
I can't believe anyone really thinks we'd have a chance of a signing like that.
I think mourinhos record of loaning out young talent speaks fo itself and anything is possible. If it does happen then what? Are we not worthy?
Not really. Why we he want to come here and more importantly why would Man Utd want him to come here when a dozen Premier League clubs would happily take him?
shall we just call it a draw?I've nothing to add to this. I just wanted to be a part of the biggest quotathon in history. McWhirter... Where are you?Because premier league clubs are their rivals and championship clubs aren'tYes because what a player who has played in the Premier League and scored goals, got a move to one if the top English clubs, broke into the national set-up will be thinking is, "I need to get back to the level that earned me a move to Liverpool and England recognition. I know what is best for my career at this point, a year in the Championship".
Come on. It's ludicrous to even consider it.
And what if he disappears after his breakthrough season? It's not like that hasn't happened before to others. And I would argue that it is one of the many reasons why England will never again win another tournament because young players accept sitting on the bench too readily. That playing regular football and learning your trade is somehow beneath them. Rashford might be the opposite and he might break into the Man U team and keep his spot. But there's plenty of evidence to support he notion that season 2 is a lot harder than the first and he might regress in his development at a time we would all hope as supporters of our national program he improves.
Yes he might go backwards. Second season and all that but players don't know that unless they have a go. Liverpool and Ings will be hoping that he gets up to fitness and pushes on. I doubt either them or he are in anyway contemplating a year of dropping his standards. Maybe in January or next summer, but now? No point.
The thing is, you've used the words 'deluded and ludicrous'. You're almost making it sound like we're discussing Lionel Messi.
Precisely. It's Marcus Rashford we are discussing or Danny Ings. When I think Rashford I see Macheda who was brilliant for a bit and then ended up disappearing from his early lofty heights. Rashford is 18, played 11 times for Man U and broke into the England set up as much because others around him were injured and because frankly our options as a nation up front are awful. There is no doubt he has done well, but he has a long way to go before cementing himself as a regular at PL or national team level.
That's not the point. Why on earth would either contemplate dropping a division now? To pre-empt them becoming shit rather than actually doing their best to be successful? It's frankly a ridiculous debate and I think the word deluded is perfectly appropriate.
If you think it's ludicrous then don't engage in the debate. What's ludicrous is that an 18 year old player who is good and has had a good start to his career but hardly much more is being heralded as so much more than that. And that he is so amazing that he shouldn't consider career development outside of the PL, or that we have such a low self esteem that it shouldn't even be contemplated. That we should set our targets much, much lower than that.
The whole point of me mentioning his name is that players like Rashford, with the introduction of a manager like Mourinho might see his playing time curtailed. Add to the fact it is his second season and teams will be wiser to his presence. Young players suffer dips in form and confidence. We shouldn't so readily dismiss that this might happen and a move to a club like us who should have a good season in a lower tier might be a good thing, versus struggling to get noticed or joining a side at the arse end of the PL. Bloody hell you'd think I suggested a loan for Danny Welbeck or another fringe but established English PL player.
Manchester United's best prospect on loan? Come on! More likely than not he will have limited game time but he'll be sat on their bench.
I agree.
I can't believe anyone really thinks we'd have a chance of a signing like that.
I think mourinhos record of loaning out young talent speaks fo itself and anything is possible. If it does happen then what? Are we not worthy?
Not really. Why we he want to come here and more importantly why would Man Utd want him to come here when a dozen Premier League clubs would happily take him?
no longer with us I am afraid
shall we just call it a draw?I've nothing to add to this. I just wanted to be a part of the biggest quotathon in history. McWhirter... Where are you?Because premier league clubs are their rivals and championship clubs aren'tYes because what a player who has played in the Premier League and scored goals, got a move to one if the top English clubs, broke into the national set-up will be thinking is, "I need to get back to the level that earned me a move to Liverpool and England recognition. I know what is best for my career at this point, a year in the Championship".
Come on. It's ludicrous to even consider it.
And what if he disappears after his breakthrough season? It's not like that hasn't happened before to others. And I would argue that it is one of the many reasons why England will never again win another tournament because young players accept sitting on the bench too readily. That playing regular football and learning your trade is somehow beneath them. Rashford might be the opposite and he might break into the Man U team and keep his spot. But there's plenty of evidence to support he notion that season 2 is a lot harder than the first and he might regress in his development at a time we would all hope as supporters of our national program he improves.
Yes he might go backwards. Second season and all that but players don't know that unless they have a go. Liverpool and Ings will be hoping that he gets up to fitness and pushes on. I doubt either them or he are in anyway contemplating a year of dropping his standards. Maybe in January or next summer, but now? No point.
The thing is, you've used the words 'deluded and ludicrous'. You're almost making it sound like we're discussing Lionel Messi.
Precisely. It's Marcus Rashford we are discussing or Danny Ings. When I think Rashford I see Macheda who was brilliant for a bit and then ended up disappearing from his early lofty heights. Rashford is 18, played 11 times for Man U and broke into the England set up as much because others around him were injured and because frankly our options as a nation up front are awful. There is no doubt he has done well, but he has a long way to go before cementing himself as a regular at PL or national team level.
That's not the point. Why on earth would either contemplate dropping a division now? To pre-empt them becoming shit rather than actually doing their best to be successful? It's frankly a ridiculous debate and I think the word deluded is perfectly appropriate.
If you think it's ludicrous then don't engage in the debate. What's ludicrous is that an 18 year old player who is good and has had a good start to his career but hardly much more is being heralded as so much more than that. And that he is so amazing that he shouldn't consider career development outside of the PL, or that we have such a low self esteem that it shouldn't even be contemplated. That we should set our targets much, much lower than that.
The whole point of me mentioning his name is that players like Rashford, with the introduction of a manager like Mourinho might see his playing time curtailed. Add to the fact it is his second season and teams will be wiser to his presence. Young players suffer dips in form and confidence. We shouldn't so readily dismiss that this might happen and a move to a club like us who should have a good season in a lower tier might be a good thing, versus struggling to get noticed or joining a side at the arse end of the PL. Bloody hell you'd think I suggested a loan for Danny Welbeck or another fringe but established English PL player.
Manchester United's best prospect on loan? Come on! More likely than not he will have limited game time but he'll be sat on their bench.
I agree.
I can't believe anyone really thinks we'd have a chance of a signing like that.
I think mourinhos record of loaning out young talent speaks fo itself and anything is possible. If it does happen then what? Are we not worthy?
Not really. Why we he want to come here and more importantly why would Man Utd want him to come here when a dozen Premier League clubs would happily take him?
no longer with us I am afraid
Because premier league clubs are their rivals and championship clubs aren'tYes because what a player who has played in the Premier League and scored goals, got a move to one if the top English clubs, broke into the national set-up will be thinking is, "I need to get back to the level that earned me a move to Liverpool and England recognition. I know what is best for my career at this point, a year in the Championship".
Come on. It's ludicrous to even consider it.
And what if he disappears after his breakthrough season? It's not like that hasn't happened before to others. And I would argue that it is one of the many reasons why England will never again win another tournament because young players accept sitting on the bench too readily. That playing regular football and learning your trade is somehow beneath them. Rashford might be the opposite and he might break into the Man U team and keep his spot. But there's plenty of evidence to support he notion that season 2 is a lot harder than the first and he might regress in his development at a time we would all hope as supporters of our national program he improves.
Yes he might go backwards. Second season and all that but players don't know that unless they have a go. Liverpool and Ings will be hoping that he gets up to fitness and pushes on. I doubt either them or he are in anyway contemplating a year of dropping his standards. Maybe in January or next summer, but now? No point.
The thing is, you've used the words 'deluded and ludicrous'. You're almost making it sound like we're discussing Lionel Messi.
Precisely. It's Marcus Rashford we are discussing or Danny Ings. When I think Rashford I see Macheda who was brilliant for a bit and then ended up disappearing from his early lofty heights. Rashford is 18, played 11 times for Man U and broke into the England set up as much because others around him were injured and because frankly our options as a nation up front are awful. There is no doubt he has done well, but he has a long way to go before cementing himself as a regular at PL or national team level.
That's not the point. Why on earth would either contemplate dropping a division now? To pre-empt them becoming shit rather than actually doing their best to be successful? It's frankly a ridiculous debate and I think the word deluded is perfectly appropriate.
If you think it's ludicrous then don't engage in the debate. What's ludicrous is that an 18 year old player who is good and has had a good start to his career but hardly much more is being heralded as so much more than that. And that he is so amazing that he shouldn't consider career development outside of the PL, or that we have such a low self esteem that it shouldn't even be contemplated. That we should set our targets much, much lower than that.
The whole point of me mentioning his name is that players like Rashford, with the introduction of a manager like Mourinho might see his playing time curtailed. Add to the fact it is his second season and teams will be wiser to his presence. Young players suffer dips in form and confidence. We shouldn't so readily dismiss that this might happen and a move to a club like us who should have a good season in a lower tier might be a good thing, versus struggling to get noticed or joining a side at the arse end of the PL. Bloody hell you'd think I suggested a loan for Danny Welbeck or another fringe but established English PL player.
Manchester United's best prospect on loan? Come on! More likely than not he will have limited game time but he'll be sat on their bench.
I agree.
I can't believe anyone really thinks we'd have a chance of a signing like that.
I think mourinhos record of loaning out young talent speaks fo itself and anything is possible. If it does happen then what? Are we not worthy?
Not really. Why we he want to come here and more importantly why would Man Utd want him to come here when a dozen Premier League clubs would happily take him?
shall we just call it a draw?I've nothing to add to this. I just wanted to be a part of the biggest quotathon in history. McWhirter... Where are you?Because premier league clubs are their rivals and championship clubs aren'tYes because what a player who has played in the Premier League and scored goals, got a move to one if the top English clubs, broke into the national set-up will be thinking is, "I need to get back to the level that earned me a move to Liverpool and England recognition. I know what is best for my career at this point, a year in the Championship".
Come on. It's ludicrous to even consider it.
And what if he disappears after his breakthrough season? It's not like that hasn't happened before to others. And I would argue that it is one of the many reasons why England will never again win another tournament because young players accept sitting on the bench too readily. That playing regular football and learning your trade is somehow beneath them. Rashford might be the opposite and he might break into the Man U team and keep his spot. But there's plenty of evidence to support he notion that season 2 is a lot harder than the first and he might regress in his development at a time we would all hope as supporters of our national program he improves.
Yes he might go backwards. Second season and all that but players don't know that unless they have a go. Liverpool and Ings will be hoping that he gets up to fitness and pushes on. I doubt either them or he are in anyway contemplating a year of dropping his standards. Maybe in January or next summer, but now? No point.
The thing is, you've used the words 'deluded and ludicrous'. You're almost making it sound like we're discussing Lionel Messi.
Precisely. It's Marcus Rashford we are discussing or Danny Ings. When I think Rashford I see Macheda who was brilliant for a bit and then ended up disappearing from his early lofty heights. Rashford is 18, played 11 times for Man U and broke into the England set up as much because others around him were injured and because frankly our options as a nation up front are awful. There is no doubt he has done well, but he has a long way to go before cementing himself as a regular at PL or national team level.
That's not the point. Why on earth would either contemplate dropping a division now? To pre-empt them becoming shit rather than actually doing their best to be successful? It's frankly a ridiculous debate and I think the word deluded is perfectly appropriate.
If you think it's ludicrous then don't engage in the debate. What's ludicrous is that an 18 year old player who is good and has had a good start to his career but hardly much more is being heralded as so much more than that. And that he is so amazing that he shouldn't consider career development outside of the PL, or that we have such a low self esteem that it shouldn't even be contemplated. That we should set our targets much, much lower than that.
The whole point of me mentioning his name is that players like Rashford, with the introduction of a manager like Mourinho might see his playing time curtailed. Add to the fact it is his second season and teams will be wiser to his presence. Young players suffer dips in form and confidence. We shouldn't so readily dismiss that this might happen and a move to a club like us who should have a good season in a lower tier might be a good thing, versus struggling to get noticed or joining a side at the arse end of the PL. Bloody hell you'd think I suggested a loan for Danny Welbeck or another fringe but established English PL player.
Manchester United's best prospect on loan? Come on! More likely than not he will have limited game time but he'll be sat on their bench.
I agree.
I can't believe anyone really thinks we'd have a chance of a signing like that.
I think mourinhos record of loaning out young talent speaks fo itself and anything is possible. If it does happen then what? Are we not worthy?
Not really. Why we he want to come here and more importantly why would Man Utd want him to come here when a dozen Premier League clubs would happily take him?
no longer with us I am afraid
shall we just call it a draw?I've nothing to add to this. I just wanted to be a part of the biggest quotathon in history. McWhirter... Where are you?Because premier league clubs are their rivals and championship clubs aren'tYes because what a player who has played in the Premier League and scored goals, got a move to one if the top English clubs, broke into the national set-up will be thinking is, "I need to get back to the level that earned me a move to Liverpool and England recognition. I know what is best for my career at this point, a year in the Championship".
Come on. It's ludicrous to even consider it.
And what if he disappears after his breakthrough season? It's not like that hasn't happened before to others. And I would argue that it is one of the many reasons why England will never again win another tournament because young players accept sitting on the bench too readily. That playing regular football and learning your trade is somehow beneath them. Rashford might be the opposite and he might break into the Man U team and keep his spot. But there's plenty of evidence to support he notion that season 2 is a lot harder than the first and he might regress in his development at a time we would all hope as supporters of our national program he improves.
Yes he might go backwards. Second season and all that but players don't know that unless they have a go. Liverpool and Ings will be hoping that he gets up to fitness and pushes on. I doubt either them or he are in anyway contemplating a year of dropping his standards. Maybe in January or next summer, but now? No point.
The thing is, you've used the words 'deluded and ludicrous'. You're almost making it sound like we're discussing Lionel Messi.
Precisely. It's Marcus Rashford we are discussing or Danny Ings. When I think Rashford I see Macheda who was brilliant for a bit and then ended up disappearing from his early lofty heights. Rashford is 18, played 11 times for Man U and broke into the England set up as much because others around him were injured and because frankly our options as a nation up front are awful. There is no doubt he has done well, but he has a long way to go before cementing himself as a regular at PL or national team level.
That's not the point. Why on earth would either contemplate dropping a division now? To pre-empt them becoming shit rather than actually doing their best to be successful? It's frankly a ridiculous debate and I think the word deluded is perfectly appropriate.
If you think it's ludicrous then don't engage in the debate. What's ludicrous is that an 18 year old player who is good and has had a good start to his career but hardly much more is being heralded as so much more than that. And that he is so amazing that he shouldn't consider career development outside of the PL, or that we have such a low self esteem that it shouldn't even be contemplated. That we should set our targets much, much lower than that.
The whole point of me mentioning his name is that players like Rashford, with the introduction of a manager like Mourinho might see his playing time curtailed. Add to the fact it is his second season and teams will be wiser to his presence. Young players suffer dips in form and confidence. We shouldn't so readily dismiss that this might happen and a move to a club like us who should have a good season in a lower tier might be a good thing, versus struggling to get noticed or joining a side at the arse end of the PL. Bloody hell you'd think I suggested a loan for Danny Welbeck or another fringe but established English PL player.
Manchester United's best prospect on loan? Come on! More likely than not he will have limited game time but he'll be sat on their bench.
I agree.
I can't believe anyone really thinks we'd have a chance of a signing like that.
I think mourinhos record of loaning out young talent speaks fo itself and anything is possible. If it does happen then what? Are we not worthy?
Not really. Why we he want to come here and more importantly why would Man Utd want him to come here when a dozen Premier League clubs would happily take him?
no longer with us I am afraid
On my phone the innermost quote is one word per line. Such larks!
Just looked at the squad. We have NO NUMBER 10. So we obviously need a number 10. ;)
Hopefully someone else meets Gana's clause fee and triggers a bidding war
If they do - then the bidding war will be about his wages and not the fee to us.
Though it doesn't look popular on here, I would say he was one of the better performers is a very poor team. Our defense lacked organisation and we had no goal threat - neither down to Gana as his job was to break up play and move the ball on quickly to someone else - I think he managed that more often than anyone else asked to do that job.
He is paid about 7 million a season isn't he?
Hopefully someone else meets Gana's clause fee and triggers a bidding war
If they do - then the bidding war will be about his wages and not the fee to us.
Though it doesn't look popular on here, I would say he was one of the better performers is a very poor team. Our defense lacked organisation and we had no goal threat - neither down to Gana as his job was to break up play and move the ball on quickly to someone else - I think he managed that more often than anyone else asked to do that job.
Yeah, but why wouldn't we try to get a higher fee for him. That's what bidding wars are about. Bring on the bidding war, say I.
Hopefully someone else meets Gana's clause fee and triggers a bidding war
If they do - then the bidding war will be about his wages and not the fee to us.
Though it doesn't look popular on here, I would say he was one of the better performers is a very poor team. Our defense lacked organisation and we had no goal threat - neither down to Gana as his job was to break up play and move the ball on quickly to someone else - I think he managed that more often than anyone else asked to do that job.
Yeah, but why wouldn't we try to get a higher fee for him. That's what bidding wars are about. Bring on the bidding war, say I.
Because anyone can bid 7.1 million and buy him. A penny more than his release fee would be a waste of money to the buying club!
Gana was decent last season, and will do well in a better side next season wherever he goes. With Gardner, Tshibola, Lyden, possibly Stan, Veretout, etc we still have cover there. Westwood may well go too, at which point I think another centre mid would be needed.
Hopefully someone else meets Gana's clause fee and triggers a bidding war
If they do - then the bidding war will be about his wages and not the fee to us.
Though it doesn't look popular on here, I would say he was one of the better performers is a very poor team. Our defense lacked organisation and we had no goal threat - neither down to Gana as his job was to break up play and move the ball on quickly to someone else - I think he managed that more often than anyone else asked to do that job.
Yeah, but why wouldn't we try to get a higher fee for him. That's what bidding wars are about. Bring on the bidding war, say I.
No more quotathons you fuckers.
Richards has a £5m release clause...tickIs that for real?
Richards has a £5m release clause...tickIs that for real?
If we could get that for him it would be steal of the century - still got gut feel Sunderland will be in for him and if they got in a bidding war with say Stoke, we could drive the price up above the release fee!
I suspect he won't be happy that RDM played him right back in the first training match either!
Richards has a £5m release clause...tickOn behalf of Aston Villa FC, I'd like to make it clear that it's not necessary for interested clubs to meet the quoted 'release clause' or indeed to get anywhere fucking near it for the purchase of Micah Richards.
Hopefully someone else meets Gana's clause fee and triggers a bidding war
If they do - then the bidding war will be about his wages and not the fee to us.
Though it doesn't look popular on here, I would say he was one of the better performers is a very poor team. Our defense lacked organisation and we had no goal threat - neither down to Gana as his job was to break up play and move the ball on quickly to someone else - I think he managed that more often than anyone else asked to do that job.
Yeah, but why wouldn't we try to get a higher fee for him. That's what bidding wars are about. Bring on the bidding war, say I.
Because anyone can bid 7.1 million and buy him. A penny more than his release fee would be a waste of money to the buying club!
Gana was decent last season, and will do well in a better side next season wherever he goes. With Gardner, Tshibola, Lyden, possibly Stan, Veretout, etc we still have cover there. Westwood may well go too, at which point I think another centre mid would be needed.
Yes, yes, but what if someone came in with £10m? We'd be fools to turn money like that down.
I think we should hold fire.
Hopefully someone else meets Gana's clause fee and triggers a bidding war
If they do - then the bidding war will be about his wages and not the fee to us.
Though it doesn't look popular on here, I would say he was one of the better performers is a very poor team. Our defense lacked organisation and we had no goal threat - neither down to Gana as his job was to break up play and move the ball on quickly to someone else - I think he managed that more often than anyone else asked to do that job.
Yeah, but why wouldn't we try to get a higher fee for him. That's what bidding wars are about. Bring on the bidding war, say I.
It has to to be established in the media that a club has a war chest before they can even contemplate entering a bidding war. Once it is confirmed in a tabloid that a manager of a club has been given a war chest, they can then engage in a bidding war.
That Whispers accounts is garbage.
How is it that after a year and about 15 separate uses of the 'bidding war' joke people still don't get that it's a joke?I don't know, it's quite good sport though!
Is it Clark with an e or not, im always a bit confused
I'd be pleased too.
I was very impressed with him at the Euro's but not seen too much of him for Derby
I'd be pleased too.
I was very impressed with him at the Euro's but not seen too much of him for Derby
Just looked at the squad. We have NO NUMBER 10. So we obviously need a number 10. ;)
Options : like to bring in giovincho from Toronto mls too good over there and decent enough to own championship .
@TFS_NorwichCity: Aston Villa and Norwich have both had £6 million bids accepted for midfielder Jeff Hendrick #avfc #ncfc #dcfc
http://www.thefootballsocial.co.uk/norwich_city/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Hendrick's got some goalscoring ability, doesn't he? I think that's the big thing missing from our midfield - Westwood is tidy but that's pretty much it, Sanchez finds dealing with a brick shithouse of a centre forward less terrifying than the prospect of making a five metre pass, Veretout has lovely vision but still has big adjustments to make, injuries seem to have nullified the goalscoring ability that Gardner showed in the U21s, and Tshibola sounds exciting but I notice he hasn't managed a senior goal yet.
Hendrick was alright I suppose, he reminded me of Brett Holman, but better.
I'd be pleased too.
I was very impressed with him at the Euro's but not seen too much of him for Derby
Right sort of age as well. 24 with a couple of hundred Championship appearances behind him.
He's only 24 so he has time to go from being a good Championship player to a Premier League player. It would be good to have a genuine Irish player playing for us, it seems to have been a while.
has the twitter account been verified and/or has it been reported elsewhere?
I can't understand why we'd buy Gana for £9m but agree a release clause of £7.1m in the contract.
But then again, we've made so many basic errors over the last few years it's not that much of a surprise.
Maybe a premiership release clause and a championship release clause? Who knows, Benteke may have had a second release clause below 32.5 mill in the event we'd gone done whilst he was here.I can't understand why we'd buy Gana for £9m but agree a release clause of £7.1m in the contract.
But then again, we've made so many basic errors over the last few years it's not that much of a surprise.
It probably was a release clause of £9m. It's just that since Sterling has slipped down the shitter, it's now only worth £7.1m at today's exchange rate.
Meaning Evil are saying Marseille can't afford Gana so they're looking at Carlos Sanchez instead.
Meaning Evil are saying Marseille can't afford Gana so they're looking at Carlos Sanchez instead.
Meaning Evil are saying Marseille can't afford Gana so they're looking at Carlos Sanchez instead.
Discount deal for both?
Meaning Evil are saying Marseille can't afford Gana so they're looking at Carlos Sanchez instead.
It's unlikely that it's due to the exchange rate because it would seem strange if we put a euro release clause in his contract. A £ release clause now is the same as a £ release clause was 2 weeks ago.
I suspect we put a relegation release clause in his contract and that's why it's lower than the amount we reportedly paid for him
Meaning Evil are saying Marseille can't afford Gana so they're looking at Carlos Sanchez instead.
Meaning Evil are saying Marseille can't afford Gana so they're looking at Carlos Sanchez instead.
You get what you pay for...
Christ how desperate are Marseille?
Christ how desperate are Marseille?
They are worse than us in selling key players.
Sold Andre Ayew, Thuvain and Payet last summer and went from 3rd to nearly being relegated.
Already sold Batshayui to Chelsea this summer.
To be honest, I think I'd rather keep Sanchez than Gana. I think Carlos will do ok in the Championship. His robust style might just suit at that level.
The people slagging off Gana have never explained how he managed to only finish behind Kante in tackles+interceptions in the league last season. I mean, did he get that many by accident? Also, Kante completed fewer passes at a lower percentage, and nobody's accused him of giving the ball away as often as he wins it the same way it's apparently the case with Gana.
If we manage to keep him, he'll be one of the best midfielders in the Championship, provided that we add midfielders who complement his strengths rather than magnifying his weaknesses.
Sanchez is a horrific player from what I've seen of him.
Speaking of which...I doubt Koeman would have plans to include Barry at Everton much next season, so a player of his experience may be useful in the Championship. He played a fair amount last season under Martinez, but he's 35 now with 1 year left on his current contact so he may even end up being released if he isn't part of Koemans plans.
I agree with all of that Peter but I think at least a good deal of his slow thinking could be helped by good coaching. I have commented before that Stan Petrov is very adept at not being dispossessed. As soon as he gets the ball he turns giving himself time to think and to pick a pass. Barry is also very good at it. Sanchez wins the ball well then stands or runs straight, both of which give an opponent the chance to get him in the cross wires and pick his pocket. If he suspects it coming he panics and passes wildly. Sherwood tried him at centre back against Forest in the warm up last season and he was terrible.
Sanchez is worth keeping for comedy value. I think he wins the award for the player who looks least like a proffesional footballer in the past 20 odd years of Aston Villa.
I don't think he'll let Clark go, to be honest. For all of his faults he's one that never shires away from a challenge and (I believe) will be desperate to help us get back-up. Baker and Okore are both frequenters of the treatment-room and Elphick was out injured for the majority of last season. I'd expect Lescott to go, Richards to go (or be used as a full-back) but can actually see Clark having a big part to play still.
Sanchez is worth keeping for comedy value. I think he wins the award for the player who looks least like a proffesional footballer in the past 20 odd years of Aston Villa.
I think he is an odd one, can look perfectly good for 80 odd minutes but has 5 mins virtually every game where he plays like a novice
I don't think he'll let Clark go, to be honest. For all of his faults he's one that never shires away from a challenge and (I believe) will be desperate to help us get back-up. Baker and Okore are both frequenters of the treatment-room and Elphick was out injured for the majority of last season. I'd expect Lescott to go, Richards to go (or be used as a full-back) but can actually see Clark having a big part to play still.
I think the time has come to move on one of Clark or Baker as they have been in consistently losing sides for all of their first team careers - Baker at least played at this level last season
I don't think he'll let Clark go, to be honest. For all of his faults he's one that never shires away from a challenge and (I believe) will be desperate to help us get back-up. Baker and Okore are both frequenters of the treatment-room and Elphick was out injured for the majority of last season. I'd expect Lescott to go, Richards to go (or be used as a full-back) but can actually see Clark having a big part to play still.
I think the time has come to move on one of Clark or Baker as they have been in consistently losing sides for all of their first team careers - Baker at least played at this level last season
I agree with the sentiment, I just wouldn't want to lose both of them at the same time (and assuming that Lescott will go too). Baker may have more experience of The Championship but he's also a lot more injury-prone and that alone would persuade me to prioritise keeping Clark.
Clark was a really accomplished and assured young defender when he first came into the first-team and his confidence has been shattered by playing in so many poor Villa sides - although he does have to take his share of the responsibility for this. I honestly think that if he'd been given more opportunity to develop alongside someone like Mellberg or Laursen he'd be a completely different player now.
Another advantage is that he's his left-sided. I can't imagine for one second that Okore would be comfortable playing there (as he never really looks comfortable playing on his natural side).
The people slagging off Gana have never explained how he managed to only finish behind Kante in tackles+interceptions in the league last season. I mean, did he get that many by accident? Also, Kante completed fewer passes at a lower percentage, and nobody's accused him of giving the ball away as often as he wins it the same way it's apparently the case with Gana.
If we manage to keep him, he'll be one of the best midfielders in the Championship, provided that we add midfielders who complement his strengths rather than magnifying his weaknesses.
Sissoko and Wijnaldum are the best two midfilders . Gana isn't as good as then is he ! so we need to compete with rivals and get players like these. His shooting is some of the worst even more so than snake delph
Think I'd keep Clark...more experience and slightly less prone to clangers than Baker, who really needs to find a career somewhere more suited to him...Walsall?
So what positions do we think are still required to be filled?I can see Clark, Westwood and Kozak staying in the squad.
I was looking at what the squad might look like - would guess much like the Prem we would want a squad of 25 to account for extra games etc perhaps 3xGK, 2xRB, 2xLB, 5xCB, 6xCM, 3xWingers, 4xST
GKs - Gollini, Steer, Bunn
RBs - ??, Hutton
LBs - Amavi, Bennett
CBs - Elphick, Okore, Baker, ??, Toner
CMs - Gana, Tshibola, Veretout, Gardner, Lyden, Petrov (maybe)
WM - Grealish, ??, ??
ST - Gestede, Ayew, ??, Hepburn-Murphy
That would mean 1xRB, 1xCB, 2xWinger, 1xST required + 1xCM if Petrov isn't signed up.
This would leave surplus to requirements :-) - Guzan, Cissohko, Richards, Lescott, Clark, Westwood, Sanchez, Gil, Bacuna, Traore, Kozak, Agbonlahor & Sinclair
Can't see 5 more in & 13 out so I think we have to get used to seeing far too many of last seasons squad of cowards in the side again :-(
I wrote a season or two back was that the problem with Sanchez was that he wasn't quick enough to dictate the tempo of our game, and see we as a teamed struggled. He actually wasn't too bad at the intercept stuff and waas generally okay on the ball. Since he has tried to adapt more to the pace of the game and the change in thinking time, his technique has gone to pot. He dithers when closed and he can't react quick enough because he can't cope with having to think quickly with the ball. That's also why he looks better playing with a slower-paced Colombian national team.
I'd get rid of him because that won't change and in the Championship - at the very least it'll be 6-10 games in before sides stop trying to tear into us - he won't get as much time as afforded in the Premier League. He'll be a liability.
I think RDM will have four centre backs to pick from, two right footers Elphick and Okore, and two left footers Baker and Clark. I can live with that
Also noticed he paired them as a left and right footer at the weekend. Logical to me
Right back seems a problem still with 3 candidates of whom all are shit. Bacuna, Hutton and Richards reads like a comedy trio rather than professional full backs whatever league we're in to me
I think Hutton is still a decent player tbh, always tried, and never really let us down, and his attitude is much better than most of the old squad!
So what positions do we think are still required to be filled?I can see Clark, Westwood and Kozak staying in the squad.
I was looking at what the squad might look like - would guess much like the Prem we would want a squad of 25 to account for extra games etc perhaps 3xGK, 2xRB, 2xLB, 5xCB, 6xCM, 3xWingers, 4xST
GKs - Gollini, Steer, Bunn
RBs - ??, Hutton
LBs - Amavi, Bennett
CBs - Elphick, Okore, Baker, ??, Toner
CMs - Gana, Tshibola, Veretout, Gardner, Lyden, Petrov (maybe)
WM - Grealish, ??, ??
ST - Gestede, Ayew, ??, Hepburn-Murphy
That would mean 1xRB, 1xCB, 2xWinger, 1xST required + 1xCM if Petrov isn't signed up.
This would leave surplus to requirements :-) - Guzan, Cissohko, Richards, Lescott, Clark, Westwood, Sanchez, Gil, Bacuna, Traore, Kozak, Agbonlahor & Sinclair
Can't see 5 more in & 13 out so I think we have to get used to seeing far too many of last seasons squad of cowards in the side again :-(
No! Traore has to stay - the guy needs the right guidance from a decent manager and coaching set-up this season.
So what positions do we think are still required to be filled?I can see Clark, Westwood and Kozak staying in the squad.
I was looking at what the squad might look like - would guess much like the Prem we would want a squad of 25 to account for extra games etc perhaps 3xGK, 2xRB, 2xLB, 5xCB, 6xCM, 3xWingers, 4xST
GKs - Gollini, Steer, Bunn
RBs - ??, Hutton
LBs - Amavi, Bennett
CBs - Elphick, Okore, Baker, ??, Toner
CMs - Gana, Tshibola, Veretout, Gardner, Lyden, Petrov (maybe)
WM - Grealish, ??, ??
ST - Gestede, Ayew, ??, Hepburn-Murphy
That would mean 1xRB, 1xCB, 2xWinger, 1xST required + 1xCM if Petrov isn't signed up.
This would leave surplus to requirements :-) - Guzan, Cissohko, Richards, Lescott, Clark, Westwood, Sanchez, Gil, Bacuna, Traore, Kozak, Agbonlahor & Sinclair
Can't see 5 more in & 13 out so I think we have to get used to seeing far too many of last seasons squad of cowards in the side again :-(
No! Traore has to stay - the guy needs the right guidance from a decent manager and coaching set-up this season.
Think I'd keep Clark...more experience and slightly less prone to clangers than Baker, who really needs to find a career somewhere more suited to him...Walsall?
I would 'off' both of them. Get someone else in, they've both had loads of opportunity and proved time and time again that they're shite.
Quite a few links to Preston's right-back Greg Cunningham popping-up online this afternoon. I've no idea about him to be honest.
Quite a few links to Preston's right-back Greg Cunningham popping-up online this afternoon. I've no idea about him to be honest.
He is a left back, was highly thought of at City a few years back but got lost in the lower leagues for a while
Galway lad, hometown of Eamonn Deacy
No! Traore has to stay - the guy needs the right guidance from a decent manager and coaching set-up this season.
He needs somebody to tell him to stop getting injured.
No! Traore has to stay - the guy needs the right guidance from a decent manager and coaching set-up this season.
He needs somebody to tell him to stop getting injured.
We had Traore, Gil & Traore last season as our 'creative' force - they contributed practically nothing between them - Gil is astonishingly weak, Traore seems permanently injured and Jack was a problem from this time last year - in the past Jack has proved he has that rare ability to ghost past players that is why I would invest another year in him, RDM has to find a way to unlock that again.
yes he does, but so do most of them !
No! Traore has to stay - the guy needs the right guidance from a decent manager and coaching set-up this season.
He needs somebody to tell him to stop getting injured.
We had Traore, Gil & Traore last season as our 'creative' force - they contributed practically nothing between them - Gil is astonishingly weak, Traore seems permanently injured and Jack was a problem from this time last year - in the past Jack has proved he has that rare ability to ghost past players that is why I would invest another year in him, RDM has to find a way to unlock that again.
Grealish has to be played in his proper position - the number 10 role. Needs to add goals and assists to his game though.
No! Traore has to stay - the guy needs the right guidance from a decent manager and coaching set-up this season.
He needs somebody to tell him to stop getting injured.
We had Traore, Gil & Traore last season as our 'creative' force - they contributed practically nothing between them - Gil is astonishingly weak, Traore seems permanently injured and Jack was a problem from this time last year - in the past Jack has proved he has that rare ability to ghost past players that is why I would invest another year in him, RDM has to find a way to unlock that again.
Right-back is an issue. I wouldn't want Bacuna, Hutton or Richards anywhere near our defence. They're a shambles.
Right-back is an issue. I wouldn't want Bacuna, Hutton or Richards anywhere near our defence. They're a shambles.
Right-back is an issue. I wouldn't want Bacuna, Hutton or Richards anywhere near our defence. They're a shambles.
A good point. Out of a terrible bunch if there was no other options (and I say this through gritted teeth) I'd go with Hutton (at least he puts in some effort).
Right-back is an issue. I wouldn't want Bacuna, Hutton or Richards anywhere near our defence. They're a shambles.
A good point. Out of a terrible bunch if there was no other options (and I say this through gritted teeth) I'd go with Hutton (at least he puts in some effort).
Hutton is the most frustrating of all, how many times does he get into the position to deliver a cross but it never makes it
Right-back is an issue. I wouldn't want Bacuna, Hutton or Richards anywhere near our defence. They're a shambles.
A good point. Out of a terrible bunch if there was no other options (and I say this through gritted teeth) I'd go with Hutton (at least he puts in some effort).
Hutton is the most frustrating of all, how many times does he get into the position to deliver a cross but it never makes it
I'd instruct him to not cross the half way line ;-)
So what positions do we think are still required to be filled?I can see Clark, Westwood and Kozak staying in the squad.
I was looking at what the squad might look like - would guess much like the Prem we would want a squad of 25 to account for extra games etc perhaps 3xGK, 2xRB, 2xLB, 5xCB, 6xCM, 3xWingers, 4xST
GKs - Gollini, Steer, Bunn
RBs - ??, Hutton
LBs - Amavi, Bennett
CBs - Elphick, Okore, Baker, ??, Toner
CMs - Gana, Tshibola, Veretout, Gardner, Lyden, Petrov (maybe)
WM - Grealish, ??, ??
ST - Gestede, Ayew, ??, Hepburn-Murphy
That would mean 1xRB, 1xCB, 2xWinger, 1xST required + 1xCM if Petrov isn't signed up.
This would leave surplus to requirements :-) - Guzan, Cissohko, Richards, Lescott, Clark, Westwood, Sanchez, Gil, Bacuna, Traore, Kozak, Agbonlahor & Sinclair
Can't see 5 more in & 13 out so I think we have to get used to seeing far too many of last seasons squad of cowards in the side again :-(
No! Traore has to stay - the guy needs the right guidance from a decent manager and coaching set-up this season.
Right-back is an issue. I wouldn't want Bacuna, Hutton or Richards anywhere near our defence. They're a shambles.
Out of those three, Bacuna is the only one who can defend. The other two have no positional sense whatsoever.
Right-back is an issue. I wouldn't want Bacuna, Hutton or Richards anywhere near our defence. They're a shambles.
Out of those three, Bacuna is the only one who can defend. The other two have no positional sense whatsoever.
Bacuna can defend? I think he is arguably the worst of them all.
Right-back is an issue. I wouldn't want Bacuna, Hutton or Richards anywhere near our defence. They're a shambles.
Out of those three, Bacuna is the only one who can defend. The other two have no positional sense whatsoever.
Bacuna can defend? I think he is arguably the worst of them all.
No argument, he is
I actually think that Bacuna at Norwich last season wanted to lose.
Ive never got Bacuna, to me his a bit like a lottery ticket.Right-back is an issue. I wouldn't want Bacuna, Hutton or Richards anywhere near our defence. They're a shambles.
Out of those three, Bacuna is the only one who can defend. The other two have no positional sense whatsoever.
Bacuna can defend? I think he is arguably the worst of them all.
No argument, he is
I must have missed all those goals we shipped in last season when Richards and Hutton were in the same side.
Bacuna wasn't that bad under Lambert.
A willing trier at least and he did have some good games, had Hazard in his pocket in the 1-0 Chelsea win.
Even under Sherwood he set up a lot of goals for Benteke let's not forget.
However since he got that bumper 5 year deal his whole motivation and general attitude to football has gone downhill.
You can see that in his demeanor in the players arrival videos on the O/S and stuff, he's one Roy Keane apparently called out in his brief time for not caring enough about losing.
I would be o.k with Hutton at RB at least until January, championship is more his level now at this stage of his career, would be surprised if he gets the runaround every week.
...he's one Roy Keane apparently called out in his brief time for not caring enough about losing.
I did want to like Bacuna. He had all the attributes. Seemed strong, athletic, and willing to work. Fantastic work rate. So, having a lack of any real ability made me dislike him at first. But then every one got on his back and I felt sorry for him a little. he's just a hard trier who said something innocent and become the victim of an already unforgiving crowd. But kudos. Despite all of that and against a backdrop of derision whenever the ball came to him, he should us what he is. A strong willed, psychologically well balanced, and a good athlete. Just what any side would want.
The only down side really, is that he's not very good. For all his positives, if he could combine that with a level of ability that we aspire to he'd be worth millions. As it is he's a below average player for the Championship, never mind the Premier League, and definitely should be shifted on.
Bacuna wasn't that bad under Lambert.
A willing trier at least and he did have some good games, had Hazard in his pocket in the 1-0 Chelsea win.
Even under Sherwood he set up a lot of goals for Benteke let's not forget.
However since he got that bumper 5 year deal his whole motivation and general attitude to football has gone downhill.
You can see that in his demeanor in the players arrival videos on the O/S and stuff, he's one Roy Keane apparently called out in his brief time for not caring enough about losing.
I would be o.k with Hutton at RB at least until January, championship is more his level now at this stage of his career, would be surprised if he gets the runaround every week.
Do we know who else Keane called out besides Bacuna? He had a run in with Gabby didn't he? Maybe Keane wasn't so crazy after all?
Bacuna wasn't that bad under Lambert.
A willing trier at least and he did have some good games, had Hazard in his pocket in the 1-0 Chelsea win.
Even under Sherwood he set up a lot of goals for Benteke let's not forget.
However since he got that bumper 5 year deal his whole motivation and general attitude to football has gone downhill.
You can see that in his demeanor in the players arrival videos on the O/S and stuff, he's one Roy Keane apparently called out in his brief time for not caring enough about losing.
I would be o.k with Hutton at RB at least until January, championship is more his level now at this stage of his career, would be surprised if he gets the runaround every week.
Do we know who else Keane called out besides Bacuna? He had a run in with Gabby didn't he? Maybe Keane wasn't so crazy after all?
Jack Grealish.
Reported to have asked during a training session "is there something wrong?" followed by "then why haven't you started training yet".
Tweeted by Jack, himself.
I think one of his main downfalls is a lack of common sense and intelligence.
Didn't he try confronting Cleverley as well? Middle-of-the-road player, but the last thing you'd accused him of is not trying hard enough.both cleverley and Grealish strike me as players who need pushing a bit. Not to say they're necessarily lazy in training, but may respond better to being really pushed than if they're allowed to coast. Cleverley especially so, after the regime he would have known at Utd.
The problem for RDM is that when he has meetings with the players he does not want at the club, and tells them this, is does he create another bomb squad like Lambert did, if we cant sell them / give them away?Can't see Gabby mopping. Too much like hard work for him.
We don't need another 6 - 7 players mopping about the place and potentially upsetting the players who are in RDMs plans for next season.
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I just read Marseille in talks to sign Sanchez £3m euros. ( Can't find a Euro sign on my keyboard)
I just read Marseille in talks to sign Sanchez £3m euros. ( Can't find a Euro sign on my keyboard)
Isn't that about 5 Million £ now?
I just read Marseille in talks to sign Sanchez £3m euros. ( Can't find a Euro sign on my keyboard)
Isn't that about 5 Million £ now?
It's about 53p now.
I just read Marseille in talks to sign Sanchez £3m euros. ( Can't find a Euro sign on my keyboard)
Isn't that about 5 Million £ now?
It's about 53p now.
I'd still take it
I just read Marseille in talks to sign Sanchez £3m euros. ( Can't find a Euro sign on my keyboard)What, Marseille to sign Sanchez and Gana? BOGOF.
RElegation next season?!?I just read Marseille in talks to sign Sanchez £3m euros. ( Can't find a Euro sign on my keyboard)What, Marseille to sign Sanchez and Gana? BOGOF.
I would not let Sinclair go to Newcastle. He will be useful in the championship.
I just read Marseille in talks to sign Sanchez £3m euros. ( Can't find a Euro sign on my keyboard)What, Marseille to sign Sanchez and Gana? BOGOF.
Lets not forget, that these were the players who would not break sweat against Premiership sides last season, I cant see how they would be motivated to playy the likes of Rotherham
They need to be gone and quick, personally if someone offered £250k for the likes of Hutton / Sinclair / Cissokho etc...they would be gone.
Lets not forget, that these were the players who would not break sweat against Premiership sides last season, I cant see how they would be motivated to playy the likes of Rotherham
They need to be gone and quick, personally if someone offered £250k for the likes of Hutton / Sinclair / Cissokho etc...they would be gone.
If we have been offered £4m and turned it down, then we must be mad!Perhaps that is his release clause and we are trying to start a bidding war.
But if it is a release clause in his contract, why would a buying club bid more?If you have fallen for Richard E's 'bidding war' old chestnut then perhaps you over did the yam yam day celebrations?
Also surely once the bid has been received that matches the contractual worth of the player, the player would then be allowed to speak to the club in question?, and it would not matter if that club is seen as a Championship rival for promotion. (We would not be able to choose who we sell too)
Although personally, I cant see us fighting for an automatic promotion spot.
But if it is a release clause in his contract, why would a buying club bid more?If you have fallen for Richard E's 'bidding war' old chestnut then perhaps you over did the yam yam day celebrations?
Also surely once the bid has been received that matches the contractual worth of the player, the player would then be allowed to speak to the club in question?, and it would not matter if that club is seen as a Championship rival for promotion. (We would not be able to choose who we sell too)
Although personally, I cant see us fighting for an automatic promotion spot.
I can. We have a decent squad and now a decent coaching team. 3-4 more arrivals and e will be a real force.
Yes, I was being facetious (as is my general wont.)
Somebody said that there was a big difference between the professionalism between last years jolly up in Portugal pre-season and the Austrian training camp.
I think having real leaders like Stan and Elphick in the dressing room could be telling. You see Amavi's comments about Stan and it shows that the man is inspirational for the rest of them. "How can I not run that extra yard when there is a top man who could have died?".
if we get the 3-4 more arrivals, I think that the number in our squad will be 33
That is far to many and to expensive to run in the Championship
In fairness, this is also the first summer in a long-time where we haven't had the prospect of losing our best player/s hanging over us. Be it Milner, Barry, Benteke, Delph, it must be disruptive to a manager's preparations when you're waiting for one or more key players to leave. I can;t think of one player that might leave this summer that would have a huge impact on our preparations for the upcoming season.
Surprised we haven't been linked to Odemwingie yet.
RDM signed him at West Brom and Clarke also managed him.
Not as first choice as would still like a Bamford type signing but I'd be o.k with him as a squad option.
Say Bamford and Ayew as first choice and Gestede and Odemwingie as back up would be pretty decent for this level.
In fairness, this is also the first summer in a long-time where we haven't had the prospect of losing our best player/s hanging over us. Be it Milner, Barry, Benteke, Delph, it must be disruptive to a manager's preparations when you're waiting for one or more key players to leave. I can;t think of one player that might leave this summer that would have a huge impact on our preparations for the upcoming season.
That's not necessarily a good thing.
In fairness, this is also the first summer in a long-time where we haven't had the prospect of losing our best player/s hanging over us. Be it Milner, Barry, Benteke, Delph, it must be disruptive to a manager's preparations when you're waiting for one or more key players to leave. I can;t think of one player that might leave this summer that would have a huge impact on our preparations for the upcoming season.
That's not necessarily a good thing.
In what way? it must be a lot easier for a Manager to plan for the upcoming season if he's not having to worry about other clubs coming-in for players that he's desperate to keep hold of.
The danger would be with Odemwinge that he wouldn't want to get back on the bus as we tried to leave Loftus Road.
The danger would be with Odemwinge that he wouldn't want to get back on the bus as we tried to leave Loftus Road.
True, but a bigger danger still is that he appears from the outside to be an utter c***.
In fairness, this is also the first summer in a long-time where we haven't had the prospect of losing our best player/s hanging over us. Be it Milner, Barry, Benteke, Delph, it must be disruptive to a manager's preparations when you're waiting for one or more key players to leave. I can;t think of one player that might leave this summer that would have a huge impact on our preparations for the upcoming season.
That's not necessarily a good thing.
In what way? it must be a lot easier for a Manager to plan for the upcoming season if he's not having to worry about other clubs coming-in for players that he's desperate to keep hold of.
I guess that it might be better to have good players that other teams want to sign, than having a squad of bad players that nobody else wants.
In fairness, this is also the first summer in a long-time where we haven't had the prospect of losing our best player/s hanging over us.
Apparently Olympic Lyonnaise want Gana. There isn't one member of our squad I wouldn't be happy to see go in order to rebuild our squad, except maybe Grealish. I wouldn't mind keeping Ayew too, but I don't think that'll happen.
In fairness, this is also the first summer in a long-time where we haven't had the prospect of losing our best player/s hanging over us.
There's a definite correlation between having no good players to lose and ending up in the Championship.
Apparently Olympic Lyonnaise want Gana. There isn't one member of our squad I wouldn't be happy to see go in order to rebuild our squad, except maybe Grealish. I wouldn't mind keeping Ayew too, but I don't think that'll happen.
I don't know there's a few I'd want to keep. Grealish, Ayew, Traore, Veretout, Amavi, Okore and I actually wouldn't mind if we kept Westwood.
Now it looks like Ayew's agent is in discussions with Bordeaux
If we took Miguel Santa from Marseille in part exchange we could put a release clause in his contract. A Santa clause
If we took Miguel Santa from Marseille in part exchange we could put a release clause in his contract. A Santa clause
Careful Brian, Yule start a bidding war.
If we took Miguel Santa from Marseille in part exchange we could put a release clause in his contract. A Santa clause
Careful Brian, Yule start a bidding war.
If we took Miguel Santa from Marseille in part exchange we could put a release clause in his contract. A Santa clause
If we took Miguel Santa from Marseille in part exchange we could put a release clause in his contract. A Santa clause
Careful Brian, Yule start a bidding war.
I'm keeping a log of these silly puns...
Still underwhelmed by the deals so far. Most of the wasters are still around. I hope there's more signings soon with just three weeks to kick-off.
Struck me as being a bit of a turkey!If we took Miguel Santa from Marseille in part exchange we could put a release clause in his contract. A Santa clause
Careful Brian, Yule start a bidding war.
I'm keeping a log of these silly puns...
I don't normally find these puns funny, but that's a cracker
Still underwhelmed by the deals so far. Most of the wasters are still around. I hope there's more signings soon with just three weeks to kick-off.
Last week you were doom and gloom about the tshibola deal dying out which it didnt now moaning again.
I suggest some patience the transfer market is fairly quiet infact with 3 players in i'd say weve been more active than most so far, most of the players who played in the euros will still be on holiday in the next week or so the market will explode into overpriced activity.
RDM said in his video interview on AVTV yesterday that he'd be working primarily on trimming the squad in the forthcoming weeks.
Have faith UTV!
Struck me as being a bit of a turkey!If we took Miguel Santa from Marseille in part exchange we could put a release clause in his contract. A Santa clause
Careful Brian, Yule start a bidding war.
I'm keeping a log of these silly puns...
I don't normally find these puns funny, but that's a cracker
Struck me as being a bit of a turkey!If we took Miguel Santa from Marseille in part exchange we could put a release clause in his contract. A Santa clause
Careful Brian, Yule start a bidding war.
I'm keeping a log of these silly puns...
I don't normally find these puns funny, but that's a cracker
It would be a coup if we got him.
Land him and I can see us stuffing many of our opponents.Struck me as being a bit of a turkey!If we took Miguel Santa from Marseille in part exchange we could put a release clause in his contract. A Santa clause
Careful Brian, Yule start a bidding war.
I'm keeping a log of these silly puns...
I don't normally find these puns funny, but that's a cracker
It would be a coup if we got him.
I hope we get him in quickly, there's no time like the present.
I'm happy with RDM and Clarke, but would have been nice to roll out the Advocaat
Still underwhelmed by the deals so far. Most of the wasters are still around. I hope there's more signings soon with just three weeks to kick-off.
Last week you were doom and gloom about the tshibola deal dying out which it didnt now moaning again.
I suggest some patience the transfer market is fairly quiet infact with 3 players in i'd say weve been more active than most so far, most of the players who played in the euros will still be on holiday in the next week or so the market will explode into overpriced activity.
RDM said in his video interview on AVTV yesterday that he'd be working primarily on trimming the squad in the forthcoming weeks.
Have faith UTV!
I think Villa fans have been very very patient over the last 6 dreadful years.
Some people need to wake up. Did you not notice the points tally most of this squad achieved last season? Miles behind Newcastle and Norwich.
Some people need to wake up. Did you not notice the points tally most of this squad achieved last season? Miles behind Newcastle and Norwich.
And that's relevant because?
Could be but with him there I think we need to buy an attacking midfielder. Grealish may be earmarked for the job but I'd get another midfielder in anyway.
If we took Miguel Santa from Marseille in part exchange we could put a release clause in his contract. A Santa clause
Would he enable Villa to use a Christmas Tree formation ?
Some people need to wake up. Did you not notice the points tally most of this squad achieved last season? Miles behind Newcastle and Norwich.
And that's relevant because?
Nothing changes ever.
Having a new owner, board, manager, coaches and players means that we can expect things to stay just as they were.
If we took Miguel Santa from Marseille in part exchange we could put a release clause in his contract. A Santa clause
Would he enable Villa to use a Christmas Tree formation ?
Presumably with Juan Pablo Angel up top? And Mark Tinsella in the middle.
Sorry - only just spotted this punathon. Better never than late....
Apparently Di Matteo said regarding outgoings, some we will be surprised by and some will be disappointing. I guess the latter refers to transfer release clauses being met for the more coveted ones suggesting Gana and maybe Ayew are likely off.
Perhaps he means the quality of the players.Apparently Di Matteo said regarding outgoings, some we will be surprised by and some will be disappointing. I guess the latter refers to transfer release clauses being met for the more coveted ones suggesting Gana and maybe Ayew are likely off.
"Surprised and disappointing" sounds pretty ominous especially with only 3 weeks to go.
Sounds like it would be a big surprise if it came off - http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2016/07/16/report-aston-villa-linked-with-ambitious-move-for-31-goal-strike/.
Richards has been told he can leave allegedly.
Sounds like it would be a big surprise if it came off - http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2016/07/16/report-aston-villa-linked-with-ambitious-move-for-31-goal-strike/.
Dear Birmingham Mail,
Please read the above article and note the use of the name "Villains" not "Claret and Blues".
Marseille now sniffing around for a loan move for Veretout and pulling the plug on Sanchez. Wankers. Pay up or fuck off.
They're just slow in realising that Gabby is the one that they really want! :DMarseille now sniffing around for a loan move for Veretout and pulling the plug on Sanchez. Wankers. Pay up or fuck off.
So that's Gana, Sanchez and now Veretout they've been allegedly interested in. Are they only looking at our players?
Apparently Di Matteo said regarding outgoings, some we will be surprised by and some will be disappointing. I guess the latter refers to transfer release clauses being met for the more coveted ones suggesting Gana and maybe Ayew are likely off.
"Surprised and disappointing" sounds pretty ominous especially with only 3 weeks to go.
Apparently Di Matteo said regarding outgoings, some we will be surprised by and some will be disappointing. I guess the latter refers to transfer release clauses being met for the more coveted ones suggesting Gana and maybe Ayew are likely off.
"Surprised and disappointing" sounds pretty ominous especially with only 3 weeks to go.
Writings on the wall then.
Apparently Di Matteo said regarding outgoings, some we will be surprised by and some will be disappointing. I guess the latter refers to transfer release clauses being met for the more coveted ones suggesting Gana and maybe Ayew are likely off.
"Surprised and disappointing" sounds pretty ominous especially with only 3 weeks to go.
Writings on the wall then.
Marseille now sniffing around for a loan move for Veretout and pulling the plug on Sanchez. Wankers. Pay up or fuck off.
So that's Gana, Sanchez and now Veretout they've been allegedly interested in. Are they only looking at our players?
Apparently Di Matteo said regarding outgoings, some we will be surprised by and some will be disappointing. I guess the latter refers to transfer release clauses being met for the more coveted ones suggesting Gana and maybe Ayew are likely off.
"Surprised and disappointing" sounds pretty ominous especially with only 3 weeks to go.
Writings on the wall then.
Apparently Di Matteo said regarding outgoings, some we will be surprised by and some will be disappointing. I guess the latter refers to transfer release clauses being met for the more coveted ones suggesting Gana and maybe Ayew are likely off.
"Surprised and disappointing" sounds pretty ominous especially with only 3 weeks to go.
Writings on the wall then.
I like the way RDM is doing this. He's taking his time. He's not panicking. He's got ideas he's trying to impart and carefully assessing attitudes as much as talent. The next few weeks will see players go, some we would want to keep but at the end of the day we need players who WANT to be at the club. There are lots of players who want to play for Aston Villa and we need those only, both from the incumbent group as well as players we find and bring in.
I like the way RDM is doing this. He's taking his time. He's not panicking. He's got ideas he's trying to impart and carefully assessing attitudes as much as talent. The next few weeks will see players go, some we would want to keep but at the end of the day we need players who WANT to be at the club. There are lots of players who want to play for Aston Villa and we need those only, both from the incumbent group as well as players we find and bring in.
It's really the only way it could be done. I know people will be quick to point out what a mess it was last season and how much change is needed (which is true) but there's no point of the people in authority panicking and making an even bigger mess of it.
Quality is more important than quantity. Doing everything right is much better than doing a lots. You have to believe this......
BTW Ayew will stay as I.
A chairman who communicates! Who'd have thunk it? I like it.
A chairman who communicates! Who'd have thunk it? I like it.
I'm not sure I do, not on Twitter anyway.
bizarre and slightly worrying comment, TBH.
I agree. The broken English and poor grammar are unbecoming of a man of his current stature. Occasional statements are certainly appreciated but just be a pro.
A chairman who communicates! Who'd have thunk it? I like it.
I'm not sure I do, not on Twitter anyway.
I agree. The broken English and poor grammar are unbecoming of a man of his current stature. Occasional statements are certainly appreciated but just be a pro.
A chairman who communicates! Who'd have thunk it? I like it.
I'm not sure I do, not on Twitter anyway.
A chairman who communicates! Who'd have thunk it? I like it.
I'm not sure I do, not on Twitter anyway.
I agree. The broken English and poor grammar are unbecoming of a man of his current stature. Occasional statements are certainly appreciated but just be a pro.
Just no pleasing some people I guess.
A chairman who communicates! Who'd have thunk it? I like it.
I'm not sure I do, not on Twitter anyway.
I agree. The broken English and poor grammar are unbecoming of a man of his current stature. Occasional statements are certainly appreciated but just be a pro.
Just no pleasing some people I guess.
Different opinions, who'd have thought it.
Not sure why Marseille are hard up for cash when they've sold Batshuayi for £33m.
They also have to rent the Stade Vélodrome from the City of Marseille: €4m a year + 20% of ticket sales above €20m.Not sure why Marseille are hard up for cash when they've sold Batshuayi for £33m.
They have a large fine to pay for some sort of shenanigans.
Ayew as 1 of 3 behind a striker should be fine, he's happy to come deep and join up play and he's at his best running at retreating defenders rather than running off the shoulder so the slightly deeper role will help him in that regard as well.
Communication is fine. Opening a Twitter account and being subjected to possible abuse if the season doesn't go well is another and the press will have a field day with it. I appreciate his intentions, but it's not a good idea at all.
Just seen on B'ham mail site, that if Sanchez leaves, then we are showing an interest in Liam Bridcutt of Sunderland
Good Championship player, but I would have thought that we would have to get a few to leave first, not 1 out 1 in?
Just seen on B'ham mail site, that if Sanchez leaves, then we are showing an interest in Liam Bridcutt of Sunderland
Good Championship player, but I would have thought that we would have to get a few to leave first, not 1 out 1 in?
I've never heard of him but he was a real success apparently at Brighton and popular with the fans at Leeds. We need some fighters.
I think from the Dr's tweet saying Quality over quantity, it might go a bit slowly, we do have a lot of players who definitely need to be gotten rid of
In that Guardian article quoted on the RDM/Steve Clarke thread, Di Matteo was talking about getting back to the PL within 2 years, which I think is fairly realistic - a season to re-shape the squad, consolidate, determine a style of playing, establish a winning mentality, then push on with better signings along the way. Obviously it would be great to get back at the first attempt, but I'm not as optimistic as some, given the squad we've got and the losing mentality which became ingrained last season. In his words the whole house needs knocking down and rebuilt from the foundations up, and IMHO that could well take more than one seasonYes I would agree with you except this is Aston Villa we expect better, consolidation is for teams like Norwich. Let us settle for mid table in the premier league next season. Our players need to go out with the attitude that only winning the title this season will be good enough.
Agreed. One year in that league is a year too long, never mind two.
The longer we stay in, the less chance we have of keeping the better players, the less money we receive in parachute payments and the harder it gets.
Anything less than promotion next season is a significant failure.
In that Guardian article quoted on the RDM/Steve Clarke thread, Di Matteo was talking about getting back to the PL within 2 years, which I think is fairly realistic - a season to re-shape the squad, consolidate, determine a style of playing, establish a winning mentality, then push on with better signings along the way. Obviously it would be great to get back at the first attempt, but I'm not as optimistic as some, given the squad we've got and the losing mentality which became ingrained last season. In his words the whole house needs knocking down and rebuilt from the foundations up, and IMHO that could well take more than one seasonYes I would agree with you except this is Aston Villa we expect better, consolidation if for teams like Norwich. Let us settle for mid table in the premier league next season. Our players need to go out with the attitude that only winning the title this season will be good enough.
You also have to remember we won 3 league games last year and we were absolutely diabolical. I'm hoping we do it first time but i'm not expecting us to.
In that Guardian article quoted on the RDM/Steve Clarke thread, Di Matteo was talking about getting back to the PL within 2 years, which I think is fairly realistic - a season to re-shape the squad, consolidate, determine a style of playing, establish a winning mentality, then push on with better signings along the way. Obviously it would be great to get back at the first attempt, but I'm not as optimistic as some, given the squad we've got and the losing mentality which became ingrained last season. In his words the whole house needs knocking down and rebuilt from the foundations up, and IMHO that could well take more than one seasonYes I would agree with you except this is Aston Villa we expect better, consolidation is for teams like Norwich. Let us settle for mid table in the premier league next season. Our players need to go out with the attitude that only winning the title this season will be good enough.
You also have to remember we won 3 league games last year and we were absolutely diabolical. I'm hoping we do it first time but i'm not expecting us to.
yes we were 17 points worse off than the other relegated teams, there is a gap to be closed
You also have to remember we won 3 league games last year and we were absolutely diabolical. I'm hoping we do it first time but i'm not expecting us to.
Agreed. One year in that league is a year too long, never mind two.
The longer we stay in, the less chance we have of keeping the better players, the less money we receive in parachute payments and the harder it gets.
Anything less than promotion next season is a significant failure.
Agreed. One year in that league is a year too long, never mind two.Relegation would be failure - anything in the top half of the table would be a decent season. To think we could bounce straight back is extremely optimistic.
The longer we stay in, the less chance we have of keeping the better players, the less money we receive in parachute payments and the harder it gets.
Anything less than promotion next season is a significant failure.
You also have to remember we won 3 league games last year and we were absolutely diabolical. I'm hoping we do it first time but i'm not expecting us to.
yes we were 17 points worse off than the other relegated teams, there is a gap to be closed
Agreed. One year in that league is a year too long, never mind two.Relegation would be failure - anything in the top half of the table would be a decent season. To think we could bounce straight back is extremely optimistic.
The longer we stay in, the less chance we have of keeping the better players, the less money we receive in parachute payments and the harder it gets.
Anything less than promotion next season is a significant failure.
As for Bridcutt I saw him a couple of times for Leeds last season and he looked a level above anyone else on the pitch, but hasn't done anything in a Sunderland shirt.
The championship is a funny league.
138 points to play for. We've seen before teams in mid table or even lower at xmas...and then promoted to the premier league in May.
As it stands I can see the first half of the season being a bit hit and miss so patience is needed in the stands.
You've still got the January transfer window to properly gets things sorted with the squad and then give promotion a serious go.
As it stands I think we might be a little like Sunderland in 2006. They went down with 15 points I think and lost their first 4 games of the season before they appointed Keane as manager. They ended up winning the league quite comfortably.
Not saying we can do that but all it takes is 2-3 wins on the trot and you'll rise up the league quite significantly.
Agreed. One year in that league is a year too long, never mind two.Relegation would be failure - anything in the top half of the table would be a decent season. To think we could bounce straight back is extremely optimistic.
The longer we stay in, the less chance we have of keeping the better players, the less money we receive in parachute payments and the harder it gets.
Anything less than promotion next season is a significant failure.
As for Bridcutt I saw him a couple of times for Leeds last season and he looked a level above anyone else on the pitch, but hasn't done anything in a Sunderland shirt.
In that Guardian article quoted on the RDM/Steve Clarke thread, Di Matteo was talking about getting back to the PL within 2 years, which I think is fairly realistic - a season to re-shape the squad, consolidate, determine a style of playing, establish a winning mentality, then push on with better signings along the way. Obviously it would be great to get back at the first attempt, but I'm not as optimistic as some, given the squad we've got and the losing mentality which became ingrained last season. In his words the whole house needs knocking down and rebuilt from the foundations up, and IMHO that could well take more than one seasonYes I would agree with you except this is Aston Villa we expect better, consolidation if for teams like Norwich. Let us settle for mid table in the premier league next season. Our players need to go out with the attitude that only winning the title this season will be good enough.
I think we as fans could help with this. I think we could learn a bit of patience sometimes. Like the friendly the other day. Lets help them get us back.
Agreed. One year in that league is a year too long, never mind two.Relegation would be failure - anything in the top half of the table would be a decent season. To think we could bounce straight back is extremely optimistic.
The longer we stay in, the less chance we have of keeping the better players, the less money we receive in parachute payments and the harder it gets.
Anything less than promotion next season is a significant failure.
As for Bridcutt I saw him a couple of times for Leeds last season and he looked a level above anyone else on the pitch, but hasn't done anything in a Sunderland shirt.
Regarding Bridcutt, that could, possibly, be more to do with Sunderland than the player. Could be a good signing.
Agreed. One year in that league is a year too long, never mind two.Relegation would be failure - anything in the top half of the table would be a decent season. To think we could bounce straight back is extremely optimistic.
The longer we stay in, the less chance we have of keeping the better players, the less money we receive in parachute payments and the harder it gets.
Anything less than promotion next season is a significant failure.
As for Bridcutt I saw him a couple of times for Leeds last season and he looked a level above anyone else on the pitch, but hasn't done anything in a Sunderland shirt.
Really? Blues were garbage when we played them last season and they managed that.
Really? Blues were garbage when we played them last season and they managed that.
Really? that's certainly not my recollection of how the game panned out
There are so many reasons we were so bad last season ... i sincerely believe that our squad last season was better than how we ended up ... not world beaters but better than we showed.
With a new manager new owner and bit of belief coupled with a few new suitably experienced players then we may not be far off.
This includes some of the players many are calling to be jettisoned out of Villa Park.
This depends greatly however on how we start 4 or 5 wins and the morale will be right up ... 3 or 4 losses and the doom and gloom will return ... this goes for players and the fans
We were shit first half, they were utter toss the entire game. Yet they finished top half and within spitting distance of the play offs.
Gollini
Richards. Elphick ? Amavi
Tshibola ?
Ayew ? Grealish
?
All about opinions I guess, but we have the makings of a good side. Okore, Gestede, Gardner, Traore, Green, Westwood, Steer, Gil to make up the numbers.
Likelihood that Sanchez, Gana, Veretout and Sinclair will go. Lescott, Bacuna, Gabby and Guzan, dump.
Gollini
? (hutton) Elphick Clark Amavi
Tshibola Vertout
Traore Grealish Ayew
? (loan)
We were shit first half, they were utter toss the entire game. Yet they finished top half and within spitting distance of the play offs.
From what I've seen of Bridcutt in the past, his main role will be to kick lumps out of the opposition and break up their attacks.
I wonder if RDM will favour a more physical player next to Tshibola? Is Bridcutt that type of player? I wonder what happened to the Meireles link?
Don't know much about Bridcutt except according to Wiki, he won player of the year twice at Brighton and was nominated for player of the season at Leeds despite only joining on loan half way through the season. It didn't seem to work out for him at Sunderland though.
Don't know much about Bridcutt except according to Wiki, he won player of the year twice at Brighton and was nominated for player of the season at Leeds despite only joining on loan half way through the season. It didn't seem to work out for him at Sunderland though.
Sounds like a good signing for this league. Didn't Lambert want him when he was our manager?
Don't know much about Bridcutt except according to Wiki, he won player of the year twice at Brighton and was nominated for player of the season at Leeds despite only joining on loan half way through the season. It didn't seem to work out for him at Sunderland though.
Hiroshi Kiyotake (he of that slightly unhinged Twitter thing from a couple of summers ago) has moved to Sevilla, so he must be doing alright for himself.
Hashtagfreekiyo.
Albion after Ciaran Clarke! if they offer the buy out clause, I think he will be gone
But this is the Albion we are dealing with so they will probably only offer a million for him
as average as i think Clark can be, why we'd even consider selling him when we still have two absolute worse CBs in Lescott and Richards on board i'll never understand
as average as i think Clark can be, why we'd even consider selling him when we still have two absolute worse CBs in Lescott and Richards on board i'll never understand
Because apparently he has a release clause of £5m in his contract, so we wouldn't really have much say in the matter?
as average as i think Clark can be, why we'd even consider selling him when we still have two absolute worse CBs in Lescott and Richards on board i'll never understand
Because apparently he has a release clause of £5m in his contract, so we wouldn't really have much say in the matter?
I seem to recall Luis Suarez having a release clause that Arsenal met and he still went to Barca for WAY WAY more
as average as i think Clark can be, why we'd even consider selling him when we still have two absolute worse CBs in Lescott and Richards on board i'll never understand
Because apparently he has a release clause of £5m in his contract, so we wouldn't really have much say in the matter?
I seem to recall Luis Suarez having a release clause that Arsenal met and he still went to Barca for WAY WAY more
Is Clarkson better than Clarke? Discuss.I'd say Clarkson edges it but is he better than Clerk? I'm not so sure.
Maybe we could sell Clark and Clarke to two clubs?
I think there's something in this. It could well be part of Pulis's grand master plan, years in the making, to field a team comprised entirely of ok-ish centre halves.
Hamburg bid £8 million for Aston Villa striker
The Ghana international has also been linked with a move to Bordeaux and Galatasaray following the Villains relegation from the top-flight last season.
Published: 31 minutes ago
Isaac Darko
German club Hamburg have submitted an £8 million offer for Aston Villa striker Jordan Ayew.
The Ghana international has been linked with a move to Bordeaux and Galatasaray following the Villains relegation from the top-flight last season.
Hamburg have now joined the race for the former Lorient striker's signature, as a bid of £8 million would allow Villa to recoup the money they paid for Ayew a year ago, and is generous considering the 24-year-old's goal return, which was slightly better than one every five matches last season.
Read more: Ghanaian forward scores and sets up winner for Aston Villa
Ayew was one of Aston Villa’s star performers in the Premier League last season, and it was widely expected that he would leave following their relegation.
He netted seven times in 30 appearances last term in the Premier League
pulse.com (http://pulse.com.gh/sports/jordan-ayew-hamburg-bid-8-million-for-aston-villa-striker-id5282282.html)QuoteHamburg bid £8 million for Aston Villa striker
The Ghana international has also been linked with a move to Bordeaux and Galatasaray following the Villains relegation from the top-flight last season.
Published: 31 minutes ago
Isaac Darko
German club Hamburg have submitted an £8 million offer for Aston Villa striker Jordan Ayew.
The Ghana international has been linked with a move to Bordeaux and Galatasaray following the Villains relegation from the top-flight last season.
Hamburg have now joined the race for the former Lorient striker's signature, as a bid of £8 million would allow Villa to recoup the money they paid for Ayew a year ago, and is generous considering the 24-year-old's goal return, which was slightly better than one every five matches last season.
Read more: Ghanaian forward scores and sets up winner for Aston Villa
Ayew was one of Aston Villa’s star performers in the Premier League last season, and it was widely expected that he would leave following their relegation.
He netted seven times in 30 appearances last term in the Premier League
Is Clarkson better than Clarke? Discuss.
If he does have a release clause and Baggies want to sign him then I'd have no issues with him going...at his best he is bang average, at his worst he is a complete liability. Baggies have a some what experienced but ageing defensive lineup, will be scrapping in the bottom half of the league again next season and fighting relegation with any of the following teams...
Bournemouth
Burnley
Hull
Middlesbrough
Southampton
Stoke
Sunderland
Swansea
Watford
West Brom
Dear Hamburg,
Fuck off.
Dear Hamburg,
Fuck off.
Dr Xia said he's staying
Clark can go, I think Baker will do ok
Dear Hamburg,
Fuck off.
Dr Xia said he's staying
Clark can go, I think Baker will do ok
I agree. An added bonus to his possible transfer is that we will not have to worry anymore about posters spelling his name correctly.
What did he do wrong or badly at the Telford game? All I've heard is that we conceded from an unstoppable shot so not sure what else he could have done wrong. Was he flapping at crosses, spilling saves, taking poor goal kicks or something?
The guy was 25 yards out, the keeper had a clear view of it and never even got near it, the early shot seemed to catch him unprepared. His feet were'nt set and it's not like it went in the top corner. Rimmer, Bosnich, Spink or James would have saved it. Granted Guzan wouldnt have bothered.
I am disappointed that Norwich signed the Northern Ireland goalkeeper on a free and we were not even mentioned as interested. I hope this Italian is a good deal better than he showed at Telford at the weekend.
Dear Hamburg,
Fuck off.
Dr Xia said he's staying
Clark can go, I think Baker will do ok
Dear Hamburg,
Fuck off.
Dr Xia said he's staying
Clark can go, I think Baker will do ok
Dear Hamburg,
Fuck off.
Dr Xia said he's staying
Clark can goa, I think Baker will do ok
Baker and Clark need to leave, they have as much concentration as they do ability - not a lot.
pulse.com (http://pulse.com.gh/sports/jordan-ayew-hamburg-bid-8-million-for-aston-villa-striker-id5282282.html)QuoteHamburg bid £8 million for Aston Villa striker
The Ghana international has also been linked with a move to Bordeaux and Galatasaray following the Villains relegation from the top-flight last season.
Published: 31 minutes ago
Isaac Darko
May be in the minority but I wish him well.
Served us for 8 years. I know the last two his standards dropped considerably.
The last two were spent taking the piss and playing his part in the most poisonous dressing room we've probably ever had. For that reason he gets zero well wishes from me.
May be in the minority but I wish him well.
Served us for 8 years. I know the last two his standards dropped considerably.
On July 6, 2013, Guzan was rewarded for his play and signed a four-year contract extension with the Midlands club.[23]
On July 18, 2013, Guzan stated that he hoped to give Aston Villa the best years of his career and said that signing a new contract was a "no-brainer."
The last two were spent taking the piss and playing his part in the most poisonous dressing room we've probably ever had. For that reason he gets zero well wishes from me.
If (yes, I know) but if Twitter rumours are to be believed then we are on the verge of getting rid of Guzan, Sinclair and Richards.It looks like we could potentially add Gana, Sanchez and Veretout to that list if the transfer speculation materialises. Apparently we want to keep Clark and Ayew so approaches for those two could be declined if they don't have release clauses.
Things are looking up.
Just Flabby, Lescott and Bacuna left to get shut of!
Dear Hamburg,
Fuck off.
Dr Xia said he's staying
Clark can goa, I think Baker will do ok
do ok as what?
Dear Hamburg,
Fuck off.
Dr Xia said he's staying
Clark can go, I think Baker will do ok
If Ayew has a release clause as is likely, then there's fuck all yhe club can do yo keep him.
And his fitness ....
... But apart from those three things .....
Guzan is one of a few who I doubt are poisonous but whom have been around too long through successions of insipid awfulness. He needs a move as much for his own good as ours.
You're all forgetting Baker's fifty pence head.
You're all forgetting Baker's fifty pence head.Which one dave, the one on his neck or the two where his feet should be?
You're all forgetting Baker's fifty pence head.... and the fact that he gets 'injured' at every other corner ... and it's not the fact that he can't pass so much as the fact he can't kick a ball.
Jonathan Kodjia (born 22 October 1989) is a French-born Ivorian footballer who plays for English club Aston Villa as a forward.
Potentially a better option than Gestede as it looks like he knows where the goal is...Stay clear - he is a slow healer. His hand had a bandage for all the goals, which I guess were spread over a season :D
Potentially a better option than Gestede as it looks like he knows where the goal is...Stay clear - he is a slow healer. His hand had a bandage for all the goals, which I guess were spread over a season :D
Baker's a perfectly able Championship defender for me, as is Clark. Fine back up for Okore/Elphick
Potentially a better option than Gestede as it looks like he knows where the goal is...Stay clear - he is a slow healer. His hand had a bandage for all the goals, which I guess were spread over a season :D
Kodjia alongside Ayew could get us 40 goals between them.
Kodjia alongside Ayew could get us 40 goals between them.
I'm not sure i'd go that far
We'll be playing in a league where Scott Sinclair, Rudy Gestede and Cameron Jerome are twenty goal a season players.(http://www.liverpoolway.co.uk/classic/roundups/agbonlahor.jpg)
I don't think there is any forward anywhere that I would be hugely surprised if they scored a bucketload.
Worst youtube music ever.That's Championship music.
Carles Gil is joining Deportivo.
Carles Gil is joining Deportivo.
I always felt he was too lightweight for English football.
I always felt he was too lightweight for English football.
a bit disappointed Gil has gone.RDM has made it pretty clear that reducing the size of the squad and wage bill is a priority right now so this is very understandable if it helps path the way for new signings that will contribute more to the team.
There are bigger priorities than losing him, right now.
Oh, I agree and understand.a bit disappointed Gil has gone.RDM has made it pretty clear that reducing the size of the squad and wage bill is a priority right now so this is very understandable if it helps path the way for new signings that will contribute more to the team.
There are bigger priorities than losing him, right now.
Sorry if already posted but, I've just noticed this:
Agreement between Aston Villa & Marseille for Carlos Sanchez, player has yet to discuss personal terms - L'Équipe
Link (https://www.facebook.com/QualityTransferNews/)
a bit disappointed Gil has gone.Yes. He could be a cracking player.
There are bigger priorities than losing him, right now.
I will be sorry to see Sanchez go.I won't. One of the worst players I've ever seen in a Villa shirt. Bag of shite.
I was looking forward to seeing Gill develop, but for me he became an all fart no shit type of player. Pushed off the ball far too easy too.
Gil, Veretout, Sanchez, Guzan, Sinclair potentially away then. Light in midfield unless we keep hold of Gana.
I'm not arsed about any of those names.
I'm not arsed about any of those names.
I will be sorry to see Sanchez go.
Wolves takeover by Chinese conglomerate confirmed this morning.Probably means No Jackett required.
Could mean interesting times ahead.
Just read on HITC that Ravel Morrison's odds have been cut to 4/6 to join our club. Undoubtedly talented but are we as yet in a position to take on this care in the community case considering the ongoing redevelopment of the squad?!!
Just read on HITC that Ravel Morrison's odds have been cut to 4/6 to join our club. Undoubtedly talented but are we as yet in a position to take on this care in the community case considering the ongoing redevelopment of the squad?!!
My brother said he'd heard we were in for him
Veretout has plenty of potential and we should keep hold of him.
Guzan is one of a few who I doubt are poisonous but whom have been around too long through successions of insipid awfulness. He needs a move as much for his own good as ours.
Veretout has plenty of potential and we should keep hold of him.
He hasn't shown it though.
We carried too many passengers and our midfield is especially vanilla.
Veretout may well have a lot of promise, but he didn't show it for whatever reason and you cannot miss what isn't there.
Got to be honest I thought Tony would throw he weight around a bit more in the transfer market. I appreciate there's some time to go, but the activity so far is very modest. I think if Randy was still in charge he would be getting pelters by now.How I feel. They squad is full of losers. We needed a cull but that hasn't happened. We need more fresh blood and not from other loser clubs.
Got to be honest I thought Tony would throw he weight around a bit more in the transfer market. I appreciate there's some time to go, but the activity so far is very modest. I think if Randy was still in charge he would be getting pelters by now.
Got to be honest I thought Tony would throw he weight around a bit more in the transfer market. I appreciate there's some time to go, but the activity so far is very modest. I think if Randy was still in charge he would be getting pelters by now.
Blimey, is that the first moan at Dr Tony already? It's not always about throwing his weight around, it's about who the manager wants and if they're available. I think three in so far is fine.
And if anything I think it's RDM who seems to want to focus a little more on shifting players in the next few weeks, rather than buying. He'll undoubtedly still be looking and working on getting players in, but he must be working double time to try and shift the vast amounts of shit we still have. You'd have better lucky selling turds from an ice-cream van than shipping out half these assholes.Got to be honest I thought Tony would throw he weight around a bit more in the transfer market. I appreciate there's some time to go, but the activity so far is very modest. I think if Randy was still in charge he would be getting pelters by now.
Blimey, is that the first moan at Dr Tony already? It's not always about throwing his weight around, it's about who the manager wants and if they're available. I think three in so far is fine.
Got to be honest I thought Tony would throw he weight around a bit more in the transfer market. I appreciate there's some time to go, but the activity so far is very modest. I think if Randy was still in charge he would be getting pelters by now.How I feel. They squad is full of losers. We needed a cull but that hasn't happened. We need more fresh blood and not from other loser clubs.
Got to be honest I thought Tony would throw he weight around a bit more in the transfer market. I appreciate there's some time to go, but the activity so far is very modest. I think if Randy was still in charge he would be getting pelters by now.
Call it a moan if you want. I guess I just thought that if he has as deep pockets as we hoped he may have made more of a statement in the transfer market. Our signing seem decent, but with 2 weeks until KO our squad seems very limited to me. It's not about panicking, it's just we've been more modest than I hoped we'd be with the stated lofty ambitions. I don't think that's an unreasonable comment.Got to be honest I thought Tony would throw he weight around a bit more in the transfer market. I appreciate there's some time to go, but the activity so far is very modest. I think if Randy was still in charge he would be getting pelters by now.
Blimey, is that the first moan at Dr Tony already? It's not always about throwing his weight around, it's about who the manager wants and if they're available. I think three in so far is fine.
Got to be honest I thought Tony would throw he weight around a bit more in the transfer market. I appreciate there's some time to go, but the activity so far is very modest. I think if Randy was still in charge he would be getting pelters by now.
We're the biggest gross spenders in the league.
I guess I just thought that if he has as deep pockets as we hoped he may have made more of a statement in the transfer market
I'm with Chris, all very underwhelming so far. Let's not forget just how poor we have been for the last 5 years culminating in last seasons surrender from competing.
Yeah, I'm not really buying this armchair psychologist stuff about how a losing mentality is apparently some incurable degenerative disease doomed to sink a club's promotion hopes unless dealt with through major revolution. Certainly some fresh ideas are needed and you get that with a few new signings and a new coaching staff, and certainly the bad eggs need chucking out, but if loser's mentality was as vicious as some people make it out to be, no relegated team would ever come back up on the first time of asking.Many dont.
Yeah, I'm not really buying this armchair psychologist stuff about how a losing mentality is apparently some incurable degenerative disease doomed to sink a club's promotion hopes unless dealt with through major revolution. Certainly some fresh ideas are needed and you get that with a few new signings and a new coaching staff, and certainly the bad eggs need chucking out, but if loser's mentality was as vicious as some people make it out to be, no relegated team would ever come back up on the first time of asking.In our case I think the definition of 'losing mentality' equals 'not giving a shit'.
Yeah, I'm not really buying this armchair psychologist stuff about how a losing mentality is apparently some incurable degenerative disease doomed to sink a club's promotion hopes unless dealt with through major revolution. Certainly some fresh ideas are needed and you get that with a few new signings and a new coaching staff, and certainly the bad eggs need chucking out, but if loser's mentality was as vicious as some people make it out to be, no relegated team would ever come back up on the first time of asking.Many dont.
Got to be honest I thought Tony would throw he weight around a bit more in the transfer market. I appreciate there's some time to go, but the activity so far is very modest. I think if Randy was still in charge he would be getting pelters by now.
I won't be panicked into waving the shroud now - if things stay as they are in six weeks, maybe, but lots of time left yet for comings and goingsThere's no reason to use emotive language like this. Being a little disappointed / underwhelmed is far from panicking or shroud waving.
If they were basing it on pre-season performances I'd be keeping Joe Bennett and letting Sinclair go, he was a total passenger on Saturday contrast that with Jordan Ayew who despite the daily speculation about his transfer gave his best effort and scored a cracking goal late on. If this is an indication of how Scott trains it is no wonder he's often left on the bench. Can see a few outgoings in the next week before a couple of new bods come in time for the Boro game.Got to be honest I thought Tony would throw he weight around a bit more in the transfer market. I appreciate there's some time to go, but the activity so far is very modest. I think if Randy was still in charge he would be getting pelters by now.
I genuinely think we've just got too many players at present. Regardless of budget has been made available for transfers we've still got to maintain a wage-bill that won't breach FFP.
Add to that the fact that I think RDM is still undecided on a number of players, Sinclair, Bennett, etc.
on second thoughts don't - just join the labour party where that sort of curmudgeonly censorship would fit right inIt's not fucking censorship it's just pointing out that there can be a tendency oh here that when someone makes a reasonable, not that contentious point, for people to jump right down their fucking throats. Is that clear enough for you?
are you mad? Get a sense of proportion and humour.
on second thoughts don't - just join the labour party where that sort of curmudgeonly censorship would fit right inIt's not fucking censorship it's just pointing out that there can be a tendency oh here that when someone makes a reasonable, not that contentious point, for people to jump right down their fucking throats. Is that clear enough for you?
Now that Boro have got Negredo, we should be going all out for Jordan Rhodes imo.
on second thoughts don't - just join the labour party where that sort of curmudgeonly censorship would fit right in
Even before allowing for any of the kids playing a part this season, our squad is too big to be bringing in players before we've got rid of some. Take the back 5, by my reckoning we currently have 4 keepers (counting Brad as he's still here), 3 LB, 5 CB and 3 RB (I'm counting Richards there rather than as a CB and Bacuna). And it's the same pretty much everywhere on the pitch.this is the point, we have too many players, I am pretty sure that the focus is on moving some out to create some space.
Even before allowing for any of the kids playing a part this season, our squad is too big to be bringing in players before we've got rid of some. Take the back 5, by my reckoning we currently have 4 keepers (counting Brad as he's still here), 3 LB, 5 CB and 3 RB (I'm counting Richards there rather than as a CB and Bacuna). And it's the same pretty much everywhere on the pitch.this is the point, we have too many players, I am pretty sure that the focus is on moving some out to create some space.
Apparently a fee has been agreed with Sunderland for Richards. Now with Moyes replacing Fat Sam let's pray the deal still goes through.
Did we buy Richards or get him on a free?
Did we buy Richards or get him on a free?
not sure hewillbe aMoyes typedefender :-\
not sure hewillbe aMoyes typedefender :-\
I can't believe we've turned down £2.75million from Celtic for Scott Sinclair. What are we holding out for, £2.75million and thruppence?
If we get £5m for Richards we should change our mascot to Dick Turpin.
I was hoping with the Doc's connection in China we could ship some of last years losers there. 3 ex England internationals must have some pull, even if one of them is Gabby.
We swapped him for a springer spaniel.
Has Richards gone yet? Please? Someone say he's gone.
Not if Big Sam gets the England job me thinks
I was hoping with the Doc's connection in China we could ship some of last years losers there. 3 ex England internationals must have some pull, even if one of them is Gabby.
Can you honestly see any of that lot wanting to live in China ?
Prayers for Micah. He really deserves to be in the Premier League. Can't go wrong with a quality signing like that. A bit like signing Steven Ireland. Quality.Has Richards gone yet? Please? Someone say he's gone.
He's gone!.....but he hasn't......but he might...to Sunderland very shortly.
Prayers for Micah. He really deserves to be in the Premier League. Can't go wrong with a quality signing like that. A bit like signing Steven Ireland. Quality.Has Richards gone yet? Please? Someone say he's gone.
He's gone!.....but he hasn't......but he might...to Sunderland very shortly.
Where is it reported Richards is off to Sunderland? Haven't seen it anywhere reputable yet,Was reported back in January and it's cropped up again online the last 2-3 days. Just type in his name and it comes up everywhere.
See Blackburn have signed grant Hanley, decent player at championship level, can't help but feel they will coast to the championship this season.
We really need to step our game up and gets some more bodies in, although if Richards is going and Sanchez and Sinclair followed perhaps we would see a signing or two then.
Where is it reported Richards is off to Sunderland? Haven't seen it anywhere reputable yet,Was reported back in January and it's cropped up again online the last 2-3 days. Just type in his name and it comes up everywhere.
See Blackburn have signed grant Hanley, decent player at championship level, can't help but feel they will coast to the championship this season.
We really need to step our game up and gets some more bodies in, although if Richards is going and Sanchez and Sinclair followed perhaps we would see a signing or two then.
According to the Daily Record we're hold out for £5m and £6m for Sinclair. Celtic have offered us £3m. I'd snap their hand off and send him up there today but he'd probably get lost around Carlisle and end up in Wales.The other thing about selling him to Celtic is that it can't come back and hurt us.
Ross Mccormack close to Norwich move apparently.
Why are we once again sitting about doing nothing? Pay what Fulham want and go and get him Villa.
Ross Mccormack close to Norwich move apparently.
Why are we once again sitting about doing nothing? Pay what Fulham want and go and get him Villa.
Ross Mccormack close to Norwich move apparently.
Why are we once again sitting about doing nothing? Pay what Fulham want and go and get him Villa.
Ross Mccormack close to Norwich move apparently.
Why are we once again sitting about doing nothing? Pay what Fulham want and go and get him Villa.
Full of positivity as always. A thirty year old who no doubt costs of £10 million no thanks.
Not fussed on McCormack.
We had similar in Bent who scored at a reasonable rate for 18 months but we weren't challenging the top 6 at anytime.
One week without signing someone and Norwich possibly paying a nuts figure for a 30 year old and LTA is losing his mind.
Ross Mccormack close to Norwich move apparently.
Why are we once again sitting about doing nothing? Pay what Fulham want and go and get him Villa.
Full of positivity as always. A thirty year old who no doubt costs of £10 million no thanks.
I agree, as much as I want Villa to bring new players in, this does not make financial sense and we are a business after all. I know nothing about Kodjia but that looks to be a better deal.
Ross Mccormack close to Norwich move apparently.
Why are we once again sitting about doing nothing? Pay what Fulham want and go and get him Villa.
Full of positivity as always. A thirty year old who no doubt costs of £10 million no thanks.
I agree, as much as I want Villa to bring new players in, this does not make financial sense and we are a business after all. I know nothing about Kodjia but that looks to be a better deal.
We need proven quality, not punts on potential.
Kodjia scored 20 goals last season in a shit side, he's hardly a punt.
One week without signing someone and Norwich possibly paying a nuts figure for a 30 year old and LTA is losing his mind.
It won't be nuts if he scores the goals that get Norwich up. He's proven in the Championship and we need goal scorers. Mccormack is far better than any of the strikers we have imo.
To me its a no brainer.
Ross Mccormack close to Norwich move apparently.
Why are we once again sitting about doing nothing? Pay what Fulham want and go and get him Villa.
This would be a monumentally retrograde move - RM is just this year's D Bent. Avoid.
This would be a monumentally retrograde move - RM is just this year's D Bent. Avoid.
Bent scored goals at Villa so why the downer on him? I wouldn't mind someone like him at Villa next season.
Ayew Gestede Kozak Hepburn Murphy and Kodija should be enough fire power as two of them have scored 20+ in the championship and Ayew is definitely premier league class.Have we actually signed Kodija?
My concern is players to provide them with chances.
No for me with Mccormack too pricey.
Managers are scared of signing wingers these days. They suspect they will not chase back and tackle at every opportunity therefore not bolstering the midfield.
The fans see them as fast skilful individuals who provide entertainment and something to remember in a dull match .
Centre forwards see them as essential!
We need a winger!
Managers are scared of signing wingers these days. They suspect they will not chase back and tackle at every opportunity therefore not bolstering the midfield.
The fans see them as fast skilful individuals who provide entertainment and something to remember in a dull match .
Centre forwards see them as essential!
We need a winger!
we've already got one
awavi
playing him wide left with cissoko behind him is the way forward
playing him wide left with cissoko behind him is the way forward
Ross Mccormack close to Norwich move apparently.
Why are we once again sitting about doing nothing? Pay what Fulham want and go and get him Villa.
hhhmmm signing a 30 year old on big wages for 10 million with no resale value
no thanks and hopefully we are learning from past mistakes
This would be a monumentally retrograde move - RM is just this year's D Bent. Avoid.
Ayew Gestede Kozak Hepburn Murphy and Kodija should be enough fire power as two of them have scored 20+ in the championship and Ayew is definitely premier league class.Have we actually signed Kodija?
My concern is players to provide them with chances.
No for me with Mccormack too pricey.
This would be a monumentally retrograde move - RM is just this year's D Bent. Avoid.
Disagree - look a the type of goals that McCormack scores. He's equally as capable of dropping deep and playing as a Number 10 (as I like to call them) as he is a goal-poacher. That said, for his age and price-tag I can see why the club are seemingly not pursuing this one.
amavi wide left
traore wide right
tshibola and a n other in the middle
grealish in a free role behind ayew
McCormack's agent is Willie McKay. He hawked McCormack to the 3 relegated clubs and there was interest but no biters. Ross has been here 2 years and has already signed 2 contract extensions and wage rises. I would not be sorry to see McCormack go. He is unprofessional in the off season, piles on the pounds. It takes 5 or 6 games to get going. He scoores and he assists but he is also detrimental to the team. He doesn't close down and I think his tactial awareness is poor. Get £10 million and sell on the caveat that it will be reinvested.
Quoteamavi wide left
traore wide right
tshibola and a n other in the middle
grealish in a free role behind ayew
I'm not so sure. That is one of those lineups that could crash and burn badly. We still need some real steel/experience in there. A horrible, grizzled centre forward (in the mould of a Andy Carrol), a niggly centre midfielder (in the mould of a Joey Barton), plus two no nonsense fullbacks who can just defend. Other big gaping whole is set pieces - we have no-one who can take a freekick; no one who can take a corner (assjuming Gardener doesn't take up a midfield place).
Quoteamavi wide left
traore wide right
tshibola and a n other in the middle
grealish in a free role behind ayew
I'm not so sure. That is one of those lineups that could crash and burn badly. We still need some real steel/experience in there. A horrible, grizzled centre forward (in the mould of a Andy Carrol), a niggly centre midfielder (in the mould of a Joey Barton), plus two no nonsense fullbacks who can just defend. Other big gaping whole is set pieces - we have no-one who can take a freekick; no one who can take a corner (assjuming Gardener doesn't take up a midfield place).
we have two full backs in hutton and cissoko who are what they say on the tin, not wing backs but defenders who stop at the half way line
agree about central midfield hence the a n other, although gana if he stays would be fine
Quoteamavi wide left
traore wide right
tshibola and a n other in the middle
grealish in a free role behind ayew
I'm not so sure. That is one of those lineups that could crash and burn badly. We still need some real steel/experience in there. A horrible, grizzled centre forward (in the mould of a Andy Carrol), a niggly centre midfielder (in the mould of a Joey Barton), plus two no nonsense fullbacks who can just defend. Other big gaping whole is set pieces - we have no-one who can take a freekick; no one who can take a corner (assjuming Gardener doesn't take up a midfield place).
we have two full backs in hutton and cissoko who are what they say on the tin, not wing backs but defenders who stop at the half way line
agree about central midfield hence the a n other, although gana if he stays would be fine
Sorry, but must have been watching a different Hutton for the past five seasons. Hutton does get forward, but his crosses never beat the first defender and he is then caught out of position and can't get back.
I wouldn't take a Scottish striker. I can't think of any of them in recent years (and I mean the last 10/15 years) who have (a) been any good or (b) developed much after a move from Scotland to England to big money.
There doesn't appear to be an appreciation of athleticism in Scottish football in general or general football craft. Where you see foreigners and indeed English players get craftier as they get older to make up for a decline in speed or skills, even the better Scottish players have an arc of:
Are shite because they're young, in Scottish football and have no football experience
Get better
Get good and maybe get a move to England
Get richer and lazy
Get shite because they're older
Get really shite and move back to Scottish Football or retire
No wonder the Scottish game is utter gubbins.
Quoteamavi wide left
traore wide right
tshibola and a n other in the middle
grealish in a free role behind ayew
I'm not so sure. That is one of those lineups that could crash and burn badly. We still need some real steel/experience in there. A horrible, grizzled centre forward (in the mould of a Andy Carrol), a niggly centre midfielder (in the mould of a Joey Barton), plus two no nonsense fullbacks who can just defend. Other big gaping whole is set pieces - we have no-one who can take a freekick; no one who can take a corner (assjuming Gardener doesn't take up a midfield place).
we have two full backs in hutton and cissoko who are what they say on the tin, not wing backs but defenders who stop at the half way line
agree about central midfield hence the a n other, although gana if he stays would be fine
Sorry, but must have been watching a different Hutton for the past five seasons. Hutton does get forward, but his crosses never beat the first defender and he is then caught out of position and can't get back.
I don't hate Hutton but I hate him in the team for that very reason, he brings an end to more attacks than anyone, frustrates the hell out of me, let's face it were stuck with him. Giving him that extension was the utimate v's up to Lerner in my opinion
I wouldn't take a Scottish striker. I can't think of any of them in recent years (and I mean the last 10/15 years) who have (a) been any good or (b) developed much after a move from Scotland to England to big money.
There doesn't appear to be an appreciation of athleticism in Scottish football in general or general football craft. Where you see foreigners and indeed English players get craftier as they get older to make up for a decline in speed or skills, even the better Scottish players have an arc of:
Are shite because they're young, in Scottish football and have no football experience
Get better
Get good and maybe get a move to England
Get richer and lazy
Get shite because they're older
Get really shite and move back to Scottish Football or retire
No wonder the Scottish game is utter gubbins.
Im not going to smash you out of the park with this, but an argument could be made for both Maloney and Kenny Miller. Certainly Stephen Naismith ticks the boxes, Id love to have him even now...
Sky are reporting that Ulloa wants out Leicester. Not sure if he'd want to drop back down to The Championship but would be a great addition if he did.
Quoteamavi wide left
traore wide right
tshibola and a n other in the middle
grealish in a free role behind ayew
I'm not so sure. That is one of those lineups that could crash and burn badly. We still need some real steel/experience in there. A horrible, grizzled centre forward (in the mould of a Andy Carrol), a niggly centre midfielder (in the mould of a Joey Barton), plus two no nonsense fullbacks who can just defend. Other big gaping whole is set pieces - we have no-one who can take a freekick; no one who can take a corner (assjuming Gardener doesn't take up a midfield place).
we have two full backs in hutton and cissoko who are what they say on the tin, not wing backs but defenders who stop at the half way line
agree about central midfield hence the a n other, although gana if he stays would be fine
Sorry, but must have been watching a different Hutton for the past five seasons. Hutton does get forward, but his crosses never beat the first defender and he is then caught out of position and can't get back.
With Gil gone, hopefully that paves the way for a central midfielder to come in. I'd like to see two more before the Wednesday game to give us a shout of re-shaping the squad come August 31st.
Sky are reporting that Ulloa wants out Leicester. Not sure if he'd want to drop back down to The Championship but would be a great addition if he did.
Sky are reporting that Ulloa wants out Leicester. Not sure if he'd want to drop back down to The Championship but would be a great addition if he did.
Very good player, I like him a lot.
Sky are reporting that Ulloa wants out Leicester. Not sure if he'd want to drop back down to The Championship but would be a great addition if he did.
Very good player, I like him a lot.
I would imagine that a stumbling block for us (as well as persuading him to drop a division) would be his similarity in style to both Gestede and Kozak, although I would regard him as an upgrade on both.
Not fussed on McCormack.
We had similar in Bent who scored at a reasonable rate for 18 months but we weren't challenging the top 6 at anytime.
How different might things have been though if we had signed Bent instead of Heskey though?
Ravel Morrison has just started following the official AVFC Twitter accountHe's trouble...
Ravel Morrison has just started following the official AVFC Twitter account
Ravel Morrison has just started following the official AVFC Twitter accountHe's trouble...
According to a few reports were going to hijack Norwich's move for McCormack
Although the one plus side of signing him would be watching LTA try to find something negative to say about Villa doing exactly what he said they should do.
@Dr_TonyXia Dr. Tony Xia
Ayew and Amavi will definitely stay! We'll get striker but be confident with the manager team knowing what to do!
A minute ago via Twitter...
@Dr_TonyXia Dr. Tony Xia
Ayew and Amavi will definitely stay! We'll get striker but be confident with the manager team knowing what to do!
A minute ago via Twitter...
Although the one plus side of signing him would be watching LTA try to find something negative to say about Villa doing exactly what he said they should do.
Although the one plus side of signing him would be watching LTA try to find something negative to say about Villa doing exactly what he said they should do.
Doubt it. A proven goal scorer is exactly what we need. Lots of talk from the new owner, but our transfer business so far has been very underwhelming. Less talking and more action please.
Still a lot to do though TV. The three signings im happy with, particularly Elphick, who offers desperately needed leadership on the field, but i dont see this squad being promotion material at the moment. The middle looks week and im far from convinced about our goal scoring threat.The season maybe but the end of the transfer window isn't.
The season is very close now.
So in one post you say the signings are underwhelming and then the next your happy with them.
Make your bloody mind up.
So in one post you say the signings are underwhelming and then the next your happy with them.
Make your bloody mind up.
The AMOUNT of business. Not the business.
RDM dragging his feet over a new striker. 2 weeks to go smacks of poor preparation. Are the promised funds really there??
RDM dragging his feet over a new striker. 2 weeks to go smacks of poor preparation. Are the promised funds really there??
RDM dragging his feet over a new striker. 2 weeks to go smacks of poor preparation. Are the promised funds really there??
Plenty of time between now and the windows end. I think RDM has done a good job of ideas identifying what we need in a short space of time.
RDM dragging his feet over a new striker. 2 weeks to go smacks of poor preparation. Are the promised funds really there??
As of last week we'd spent more gross than anybody else in the league. That may not have changed either.
RDM dragging his feet over a new striker. 2 weeks to go smacks of poor preparation. Are the promised funds really there??
As of last week we'd spent more gross than anybody else in the league. That may not have changed either.
Net. Newcastle are comfortably on more than us gross.
Liverpool continue to bank roll Newcastle having just paid then £25M for Wijnaldum. If he is worth that I am sure we can get £5 for Richards.
Liverpool continue to bank roll Newcastle having just paid then £25M for Wijnaldum. If he is worth that I am sure we can get £5 for Richards.
It's a good thing. The more of their better Premier League players they sell the better.
£5 for Richards seems a bit steep
Are there any car boot sales near to Bodymoor Heath that RDM could attend. Its the way most people get rid of there unwanted rubbish. £5 sounds about right.
Don't think Richards is a DM type of playerMaybe not, but he might get an England call up
The window closes at the end of August, so do not expect all our transfer activity to be done before the season starts.
Karim Benzama according to the mail online!!
I've read elsewhere that Veretout didn't show up for his medical at Marsailles.Can you post a link to it?
I've read elsewhere that Veretout didn't show up for his medical at Marsailles.
It's got to be challenging for the manager not knowing entirely what his squad will once the season starts or once the window closes. Right now we are in that volatile stage where several deals both in and out are being offered, negotiated or finalized. It's why I don't know that we will start really well, but after a month or two we will settle in and close the gap to the top. It's not how we start but how we build and finish. We should have enough to get promoted in my opinion but it will come together over the season. Newcastle for me are more settled and will win the division. We'll be second.
I'd have liked to seen us get another season out of Veretout, I think there was something there if we'd played him further forward.
We could give Richards free to a good home.I'd give him free to a bad one
Ordinarily I would have agreed that the way a team finishes is more important than how it starts but for us a poor start will revert players and fans back to type of last season. We desperately need a flyer of a start.
I would drive him to either the Sty or the Thornbush.We could give Richards free to a good home.I'd give him free to a bad one
RDM needs a new striker and fast. Even if we have to pay over the odds, the potential rewards are worth it. Very disappointed with the line up in Nantes. Once again, like Black, he left the creativity on the bench in Grealish. I don't get it.I agree that a new striker really should be on the "urgent" transfer targets list, but the lineups in these friendlies are about RDM seeing the players in action and giving as many players as possible some game time. At the end of the day, he can't decide who to keep and who not to keep if he doesn't see them play. You could even argue that Grealish needs less game time than some of the others as he would already been identified as being one of the better players that he wants to keep.
RDM needs a new striker and fast. Even if we have to pay over the odds, the potential rewards are worth it.
If it takes to the end of August to get the right striker, so be it. Not ideal obviously. But it was about this time last year that we went on an exciting trolley dash across Europe and look how that turned out
That Jonathan Kodjia chap has apparently said on instagram 'I think about my future'. Sounds like he's had his head turned.
Quite a few news outlets ( including the local rag ) reporting this morning that Spuds are in for our Andre Green....
" Tottenham Hotspur are understood to have taken an interest in Aston Villa teenager Andre Green.
The 17-year-old winger made his senior debut for Villa in a 2-0 Premier League defeat to Spurs last season and caught the eye of Mauricio Pochettino, the Birmingham Mail cites The Mirror as claiming.
Green was given his first-team breakthrough by Remi Garde but is also said to be highly rated by new Villans manager Roberto Di Matteo, who plans to feature him in the Championship this season.
But he might not get that opportunity because the Birmingham Mail reckons that Pochettino is now monitoring the teenager closely and could sanction Tottenham to make a swoop this summer.
Pochettino has already worked wonders at White Hart Lane when signing young English talent from outside of the Premier League. Dele Alli and Eric Dier have become integral players for club and country.
And although Green is a local lad – he has come through the Villa academy at Bodymoor Heath – the chance to work with a manager of Pochettino’s reputation may be too good to turn down " .
Wishful thinking on behalf of the Londoners I believe , it´s funny how we fans probably don´t realise how good a player we´ve got on your hands...until a big Club takes an interest in them . We dearly need to keep hold of Greene, R.H.Murphy, Grealish et al....they are our future, and it is certainly bright!...Godzvilla!
Still can't make up my mind on Traore. The skill and pace is their but he must be so frustrating to play alongside with his greediness and trying to beat the 4 men too many, never busting a gut to get the ball he lost back.Quite a few news outlets ( including the local rag ) reporting this morning that Spuds are in for our Andre Green....
" Tottenham Hotspur are understood to have taken an interest in Aston Villa teenager Andre Green.
The 17-year-old winger made his senior debut for Villa in a 2-0 Premier League defeat to Spurs last season and caught the eye of Mauricio Pochettino, the Birmingham Mail cites The Mirror as claiming.
Green was given his first-team breakthrough by Remi Garde but is also said to be highly rated by new Villans manager Roberto Di Matteo, who plans to feature him in the Championship this season.
But he might not get that opportunity because the Birmingham Mail reckons that Pochettino is now monitoring the teenager closely and could sanction Tottenham to make a swoop this summer.
Pochettino has already worked wonders at White Hart Lane when signing young English talent from outside of the Premier League. Dele Alli and Eric Dier have become integral players for club and country.
And although Green is a local lad – he has come through the Villa academy at Bodymoor Heath – the chance to work with a manager of Pochettino’s reputation may be too good to turn down " .
Wishful thinking on behalf of the Londoners I believe , it´s funny how we fans probably don´t realise how good a player we´ve got on your hands...until a big Club takes an interest in them . We dearly need to keep hold of Greene, R.H.Murphy, Grealish et al....they are our future, and it is certainly bright!...Godzvilla!
There have been rumours before about other teams being interested in Green. I'm sure I heard Ray Wilkins say in an interview a few months ago that him and Sherwood did not want Traore as they felt Green was more of a prospect than him.
That Jonathan Kodjia chap has apparently said on instagram 'I think about my future'. Sounds like he's had his head turned.Boro apparently looking at him today.
I am coming round to the view that Rudy Gestede is never going to get any better and that his goals scored at Blackburn were a flash in the pan. A good person but every bit as responsible for our plight last season as the shits.
Yeah didn't most his goals if not all of them come from good Amavi crosses, Amavi is then out for the season and Gestede looks pony. I think he's garbage on the deck but any ball in the air for him to attack then he's not far behind Carroll and Benteke for me ... but that's about it.I am coming round to the view that Rudy Gestede is never going to get any better and that his goals scored at Blackburn were a flash in the pan. A good person but every bit as responsible for our plight last season as the shits.
Brian, he thrives on a very specific type of service. I barely saw any decent crosses yesterday and the main provider when we did see a glimpse of what he can do is still on the sidelines. So if we play a certain way I think he can be productive in the Championship. It really comes down to whether or not RDM wants us to play a style that gets the most out of him.
I don't think his all round game is good enough to justify structuring our entire attacking plan around him. We need a natural goal scorer who gets scruffy goals off his backside. Rudy Gestede has had every possible chance to prove he is more than a cross converter. I really hope I am wrong but I think he is of very limited value to the team.
For someone said to be so good in the air, Gestede doesn't seem to win many aerial duels.
...and even more limited when no one in the team can deliver those types of crosses.
...and even more limited when no one in the team can deliver those types of crosses.
which begs the question why start him when we don't have a single decent crosser in the starting 11
...and even more limited when no one in the team can deliver those types of crosses.
which begs the question why start him when we don't have a single decent crosser in the starting 11
because Kozak and Gabby were injured maybe?
...and even more limited when no one in the team can deliver those types of crosses.
which begs the question why start him when we don't have a single decent crosser in the starting 11
because Kozak and Gabby were injured maybe?
and what about our other striking options, Ayew could play up top, we also have several under 21s who HAVE to be better all round players ?
According to the Doc we are waving goodbye to 3-4 players next week.
According to the Doc we are waving goodbye to 3-4 players next week.
To be fair, i don't think anyone hopes (or even expects) that the three in so far will be our lot for this window.According to the Doc we are waving goodbye to 3-4 players next week.
Let's hope there's going to be some coming in because I've not been impressed so far, and I certainly wouldn't want to go into next season with the squad we have now.
According to the Doc we are waving goodbye to 3-4 players next week.
For someone said to be so good in the air, Gestede doesn't seem to win many aerial duels.
He's not very good with his back to goal or winning flicks. What he's good at is attacking balls from well delivered crosses. The Blackburn montage is evidence of where he is good. However it makes him very one dimensional and limited in how we can use him.
For someone said to be so good in the air, Gestede doesn't seem to win many aerial duels.
He's not very good with his back to goal or winning flicks. What he's good at is attacking balls from well delivered crosses. The Blackburn montage is evidence of where he is good. However it makes him very one dimensional and limited in how we can use him.
100% right
for a big bloke he has no physical presence and cant hold play up and makes us far too predictable
a sub at best
For someone said to be so good in the air, Gestede doesn't seem to win many aerial duels.
He's not very good with his back to goal or winning flicks. What he's good at is attacking balls from well delivered crosses. The Blackburn montage is evidence of where he is good. However it makes him very one dimensional and limited in how we can use him.
100% right
for a big bloke he has no physical presence and cant hold play up and makes us far too predictable
a sub at best
He has no movement at all, which doesn't create space for our midfield, which made us so predictable and easy to play against last season. I really hope we get a mobile forward who has awareness and the ability to find space.
3-4 out this week? Must be Veretout, Sanchez, Sinclair, maybe Guzan?
Jimmy Savile ?
Local Rag now saying Sunderland ready to Richards meet buy-out / release clause ( & offer N´Zogbia a contract )...it´s a funny old world but God bless those Sunderland philanthropists , I say ..................................Godzvilla!3-4 out this week? Must be Veretout, Sanchez, Sinclair, maybe Guzan?
Richards? The deal was nearly done before Allardyce took the England job. Maybe Moyes wants the deal completed? Or maybe someone else is in for him? There must be someone who thinks he could be a good player in the right set-up.
Local Rag now saying Sunderland ready to Richards meet buy-out / release clause ( & offer N´Zogbia a contract )...it´s a funny old world but God bless those Sunderland philanthropists , I say ..................................Godzvilla!3-4 out this week? Must be Veretout, Sanchez, Sinclair, maybe Guzan?
Richards? The deal was nearly done before Allardyce took the England job. Maybe Moyes wants the deal completed? Or maybe someone else is in for him? There must be someone who thinks he could be a good player in the right set-up.
just read elsewhere that Sanchez can't agree salary with OM so the deal's off. Has anyone got anything else on this? Is Veretout still going on loan?If Marseille showed an interest as long as it was over the minimum wage you wouldn't haggle you'd just go. Given last seasons horror show I doubt Carlos is going to get a better gig than this. Imagine Mrs Sanchez would also be chomping at the bit to swap Kingstanding for the south of France. OM have obviously had a look and thought better of it. I like him and hope he stays with us now.
just read elsewhere that Sanchez can't agree salary with OM so the deal's off. Has anyone got anything else on this? Is Veretout still going on loan?If Marseille showed an interest as long as it was over the minimum wage you wouldn't haggle you'd just go. Given last seasons horror show I doubt Carlos is going to get a better gig than this. Imagine Mrs Sanchez would also be chomping at the bit to swap Kingstanding for the south of France. OM have obviously had a look and thought better of it. I like him and hope he stays with us now.
Sanchez is shit, he can't pass wind.
just read elsewhere that Sanchez can't agree salary with OM so the deal's off. Has anyone got anything else on this? Is Veretout still going on loan?If Marseille showed an interest as long as it was over the minimum wage you wouldn't haggle you'd just go. Given last seasons horror show I doubt Carlos is going to get a better gig than this. Imagine Mrs Sanchez would also be chomping at the bit to swap Kingstanding for the south of France. OM have obviously had a look and thought better of it. I like him and hope he stays with us now.
just read elsewhere that Sanchez can't agree salary with OM so the deal's off. Has anyone got anything else on this? Is Veretout still going on loan?If Marseille showed an interest as long as it was over the minimum wage you wouldn't haggle you'd just go. Given last seasons horror show I doubt Carlos is going to get a better gig than this. Imagine Mrs Sanchez would also be chomping at the bit to swap Kingstanding for the south of France. OM have obviously had a look and thought better of it. I like him and hope he stays with us now.
Greedy useless cnut
And not all Kingstanding is bad (just most of it) :)
Sanchez is shit, he can't pass wind.
The problem is the huge disparity in wages in South America, could maybe get an MLS gig. I will not be sad to see hi leave.just read elsewhere that Sanchez can't agree salary with OM so the deal's off. Has anyone got anything else on this? Is Veretout still going on loan?If Marseille showed an interest as long as it was over the minimum wage you wouldn't haggle you'd just go. Given last seasons horror show I doubt Carlos is going to get a better gig than this. Imagine Mrs Sanchez would also be chomping at the bit to swap Kingstanding for the south of France. OM have obviously had a look and thought better of it. I like him and hope he stays with us now.
Due to him being a regular in a decent Colombian side, I don't see us being short of offers for him, especially in the South American market.
Sanchez is shit, he can't pass wind.
Surely that's a medical affliction and he deserves pity not abuse?
Local Rag now saying Sunderland ready to Richards meet buy-out / release clause ( & offer N´Zogbia a contract )...it´s a funny old world but God bless those Sunderland philanthropists , I say ..................................Godzvilla!3-4 out this week? Must be Veretout, Sanchez, Sinclair, maybe Guzan?
Richards? The deal was nearly done before Allardyce took the England job. Maybe Moyes wants the deal completed? Or maybe someone else is in for him? There must be someone who thinks he could be a good player in the right set-up.
and people wanted Moyes
Anyone seen the rumour Norwich willing to pay £15m for McCormick to put us off...whatever
Not good to have so many changes so close to the start of the season. Look at the numerous changes last summer and what happened then.
Not good to have so many changes so close to the start of the season. Look at the numerous changes last summer and what happened then.We cannot necessarily dictate the timing of player-purchases; it's also down to the selling club and the timing vis-a-vis the transfer window.
Anyone seen the rumour Norwich willing to pay £15m for McCormick to put us off...whatever
Not good to have so many changes so close to the start of the season. Look at the numerous changes last summer and what happened then.
It depends on the changes, surely? Unwanted/unuseable players being shifted out in any number required shouldn't be a problem, as long as the right players are brought in. And as RDM has said that he thinks the squad is too big, there should be less players incoming.
And as for last summer: IMO, 'what happened then' wasn't merely down to the number of changes in the squad, but also the utter failure of the 'manager' in charge at the time (and the rest of his coaching team) to integrate both old and new players into an actual squad as opposed to a number of seemingly haphazardly assembled bits from an undefined number of entirely different jigsaw puzzle sets.
Anyone seen the rumour Norwich willing to pay £15m for McCormick to put us off...whatever
It depends on the changes, surely? Unwanted/unuseable players being shifted out in any number required shouldn't be a problem, as long as the right players are brought in. And as RDM has said that he thinks the squad is too big, there should be less players incoming.
And as for last summer: IMO, 'what happened then' wasn't merely down to the number of changes in the squad, but also the utter failure of the 'manager' in charge at the time (and the rest of his coaching team) to integrate both old and new players into an actual squad as opposed to a number of seemingly haphazardly assembled bits from an undefined number of entirely different jigsaw puzzle sets.
Last summer was down to Sherwood not knowing how to do the job. He wanted to be pals with the squad so didn't force the hard yards and we looked short of fitness for most of the season. For the same reason he let the players do their own thing and form their own cliques in the squad, so when things weren't going well they blamed the other groups and we had big divisions in the squad. He didn't know how to provide structure for the club so we had a style and formation ready as our 'go to' whilst the players gelled so not only were they unfamiliar with each other but they were playing in unfamiliar formations and in an ever changing team.
Our squad wasn't great and we would've been down near the bottom regardless but Sherwood's ineptitude is what seperated us from the likes of Norwich, Newcastle and Sunderland.
Our favourite local radio station reckons Guzan is off to Boro before the end of the week.
I can't believe we turned down actual money for Sinclair.I'd have snatched their whole arm off, even for that original 1 million bid. Turning down 2.75 mill is insanity. If they bid 3 we've got to take it. Hands down. No one will pay the 5 mill we apparently want.
I can't believe we turned down actual money for Sinclair.
Richards having a medical a Sunderland tomorrow.....according to the gospel called Twitter.
While I'll be glad to see the back of him, it'll be a right bloody kick in the teeth to see Richards retain his own Premier League status having done so little to preserve ours. His stinking attitude should have ruled him out of a move like this, let alone his laughable defending. What the hell have Sunderland seen in him?
While I'll be glad to see the back of him, it'll be a right bloody kick in the teeth to see Richards retain his own Premier League status having done so little to preserve ours. His stinking attitude should have ruled him out of a move like this, let alone his laughable defending. What the hell have Sunderland seen in him?
Oh yeah, I'm delighted someone's daft enough to pay for him and I'm desperate to get rid, it's just so bloody unfair. In an ideal world he'd be fucked off to somewhere like Stranraer or Raith. And driven there in a boiling hot Smart car by Gloria Hunniford, with Celine Dion on the car stereo. Without stopping at the services. The arrogant bastard.
Our favourite local radio station reckons Guzan is off to Boro before the end of the week.
I can't believe we turned down actual money for Sinclair.I'd have snatched their whole arm off, even for that original 1 million bid. Turning down 2.75 mill is insanity. If they bid 3 we've got to take it. Hands down. No one will pay the 5 mill we apparently want.
Wyness will know how far Celtic can be walked down the path.
There are some odd valuations out there. Richards and Sinclair in particular.
Would be hard pressed cig not to be an improvement on what has gone on in the past.
There are some odd valuations out there. Richards and Sinclair in particular.
Just the way it is going with all the money sloshing about. I mean Joe Allen for 13m?! If someone as average as him is going for that amount, then it has a knock-on effect down to the "barely footballers" level we're dealing in
There are some odd valuations out there. Richards and Sinclair in particular.
Just the way it is going with all the money sloshing about. I mean Joe Allen for 13m?! If someone as average as him is going for that amount, then it has a knock-on effect down to the "barely footballers" level we're dealing in
The Joe Allen fee is even more mad when you think he's out of contract next season.
yep. makes no sense to me at all apart from they must have really really wanted him!
Did Rodgers have Sinclair at Swansea?
Did Rodgers have Sinclair at Swansea?
Not sure about their personal lives, but I think he played for Swansea while Rodgers was manager😵
So you'd be worried if he lined up against us at Hillsborough?
So you'd be worried if he lined up against us at Hillsborough?
Why has Sinclair been linked to Sheffield Wednesday? To be fair he'd probably get 2 against us (that's normally how it works ;-) I had it in my head that he'd scored more goals for us than he has. The goal against the Baggies, the one that the keeper should have saved against Leicester, the 3 against Notts Co stayed with me. I think the 3 against Notts Co put the idea in my head that he scored more against lower opposition. So nah maybe not. Scratch that comment. I'll go get another coffee to wake up some more.
Depends entirely on his attitude; which - thus far - has not been brilliant for any club he's turned out for.Did Rodgers have Sinclair at Swansea?
Not sure about their personal lives, but I think he played for Swansea while Rodgers was manager😵
I may be in a minority but I think Sinclair could do really well in the Championship. He'd no doubt be a world beater in Scotland if he ends up there.
Depends entirely on his attitude; which - thus far - has not been brilliant for any club he's turned out for.Did Rodgers have Sinclair at Swansea?
Not sure about their personal lives, but I think he played for Swansea while Rodgers was manager😵
I may be in a minority but I think Sinclair could do really well in the Championship. He'd no doubt be a world beater in Scotland if he ends up there.
So you'd be worried if he lined up against us at Hillsborough?
Why has Sinclair been linked to Sheffield Wednesday? To be fair he'd probably get 2 against us (that's normally how it works ;-) I had it in my head that he'd scored more goals for us than he has. The goal against the Baggies, the one that the keeper should have saved against Leicester, the 3 against Notts Co stayed with me. I think the 3 against Notts Co put the idea in my head that he scored more against lower opposition. So nah maybe not. Scratch that comment. I'll go get another coffee to wake up some more.
Notts Forest ;)
So you'd be worried if he lined up against us at Hillsborough?
Why has Sinclair been linked to Sheffield Wednesday? To be fair he'd probably get 2 against us (that's normally how it works ;-) I had it in my head that he'd scored more goals for us than he has. The goal against the Baggies, the one that the keeper should have saved against Leicester, the 3 against Notts Co stayed with me. I think the 3 against Notts Co put the idea in my head that he scored more against lower opposition. So nah maybe not. Scratch that comment. I'll go get another coffee to wake up some more.
Notts Forest ;)
no, he got three against notts county in the league cup last year as well so no need for a correction
The word on the street is that he doesn't actually like playing football, that he sometimes can be arsed to just do enough to get on people's payrolls but then gives up. Based on his Aston Villa career so far it's hard to argue with that. I hope he gets sold with the rest of the wasters, as I view him in a similar way.
Sinclair has been anonymous for us ( like a few others of course)
I would be happy with 2.75 million for him .
Couple of different journalists on Twitter are saying Richards to Sunderland is not happening (and possibly never was.)
Couple of different journalists on Twitter are saying Richards to Sunderland is not happening (and possibly never was.)
sunderland thought Villa had said five bags of wotsits and not 5 million pound
Couple of different journalists on Twitter are saying Richards to Sunderland is not happening (and possibly never was.)
he was never going to remain a premiership player after last season's car crash. I am getting concerned about next season now - np sign of any of the Mica brigade being disposed off and the same applies to players like Gana, Veretout etc. We were one of the worst ever sides in the PL last year and basically have the same squad now . Play offs at best if things stay pretty much as they are.
I heard he was having a medical at Sunderland this morning. Is this breakdown news coincidence?
I heard he was having a medical at Sunderland this morning. Is this breakdown news coincidence?
Are you sure it wasn't the'Moyes having a medical before signing him' joke you heard?
Hopefully it will start a bidding war!I'm not sure it can. Surely all the interested parties have to do is meet the £7.1 million clause then he decides where to go.
Really underwhelmed by activity so far. Poor planning for a promotion bid.
Hopefully it will start a bidding war!
Gana. Yet another midfielder who can't score or shield a defence. Appalling work rate and caught so many times behind the play.
Good riddance.
And we'll have a war chest.....
Sinclair is starting tonight I see, perhaps he will stay after all.
Sinclair is starting tonight I see, perhaps he will stay after all.
Quite liked Gana but againfor the money being offered you have to get rid (I know he has a release clause anyway) I just hope we start to spend some of it sharpish or else I think Dr T is full of shit.
Really underwhelmed by activity so far. Poor planning for a promotion bid.
We've signed three players, we're letting some go then we're bringing in some more. It makes perfect sense to me, some people are just too impatient.
I don't see why it would be a problem to buy a striker who can score a sackful of goals in the Championship. I'm not naive enough to think we're actually going to spend fifty million this summer, but I'd happily shell out a considerable amount of money for somebody who can put the ball in the net. God knows we deserve it after last season.
I don't see why it would be a problem to buy a striker who can score a sackful of goals in the Championship. I'm not naive enough to think we're actually going to spend fifty million this summer, but I'd happily shell out a considerable amount of money for somebody who can put the ball in the net. God knows we deserve it after last season.
It's because he's 30 years old and offers very little other than the goals. I'm pretty sure you can get a much better player for £15 million.
Well purely on the basis that it would be better to spend our money on the best possible players rather than someone who is getting on and doesn't offer much apart from goals.
My thinking on McCormack is that he's very experienced in the championship but it's with teams that have struggled to be mid-table at best other than Cardiff who replaced him to step up to play-off standard.
That doesn't suggest that he's the type of player you'd buy to fire you to automatic promotion. On top of that our biggest issue is that we don't have a striker who is capable of giving us someone to play around and he doesn't seem to be suited to that.
I think he'd be a massive waste of money for where we are.
My thinking on McCormack is that he's very experienced in the championship but it's with teams that have struggled to be mid-table at best other than Cardiff who replaced him to step up to play-off standard.
That doesn't suggest that he's the type of player you'd buy to fire you to automatic promotion. On top of that our biggest issue is that we don't have a striker who is capable of giving us someone to play around and he doesn't seem to be suited to that.
I think he'd be a massive waste of money for where we are.
Agreed completely and he's only going to decline now.
My thinking on McCormack is that he's very experienced in the championship but it's with teams that have struggled to be mid-table at best other than Cardiff who replaced him to step up to play-off standard.
That doesn't suggest that he's the type of player you'd buy to fire you to automatic promotion. On top of that our biggest issue is that we don't have a striker who is capable of giving us someone to play around and he doesn't seem to be suited to that.
I think he'd be a massive waste of money for where we are.
Agreed completely and he's only going to decline now.
this
plus no resale value
My thinking on McCormack is that he's very experienced in the championship but it's with teams that have struggled to be mid-table at best other than Cardiff who replaced him to step up to play-off standard.
That doesn't suggest that he's the type of player you'd buy to fire you to automatic promotion. On top of that our biggest issue is that we don't have a striker who is capable of giving us someone to play around and he doesn't seem to be suited to that.
I think he'd be a massive waste of money for where we are.
Agreed completely and he's only going to decline now.
this
plus no resale value
It's another reason. Villa need to start operating more smartly and try and buy players who will improve and increase in value. Other than Benteke we've got a shocking record when it comes to selling players.
I reckon closer to £70M.
I reckon closer to £70M.So that's cost us Lacazette to Arsenal and Kante to Chelsea.
I reckon closer to £70M.
bloody hell
Did alright with the sales of Doening, Young and Gazza Bazza ...My thinking on McCormack is that he's very experienced in the championship but it's with teams that have struggled to be mid-table at best other than Cardiff who replaced him to step up to play-off standard.
That doesn't suggest that he's the type of player you'd buy to fire you to automatic promotion. On top of that our biggest issue is that we don't have a striker who is capable of giving us someone to play around and he doesn't seem to be suited to that.
I think he'd be a massive waste of money for where we are.
Agreed completely and he's only going to decline now.
this
plus no resale value
It's another reason. Villa need to start operating more smartly and try and buy players who will improve and increase in value. Other than Benteke we've got a shocking record when it comes to selling players.
summer spends thus far:
http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/championship/transfers/wettbewerb/GB2
And MilnerLong time but Yorkie made us a packet didn't he?
Did alright with the sales of Doening, Young and Gazza Bazza ...My thinking on McCormack is that he's very experienced in the championship but it's with teams that have struggled to be mid-table at best other than Cardiff who replaced him to step up to play-off standard.
That doesn't suggest that he's the type of player you'd buy to fire you to automatic promotion. On top of that our biggest issue is that we don't have a striker who is capable of giving us someone to play around and he doesn't seem to be suited to that.
I think he'd be a massive waste of money for where we are.
Agreed completely and he's only going to decline now.
this
plus no resale value
It's another reason. Villa need to start operating more smartly and try and buy players who will improve and increase in value. Other than Benteke we've got a shocking record when it comes to selling players.
summer spends thus far:
http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/championship/transfers/wettbewerb/GB2
Interesting. I'm surprised how little money is spent below the PL.
On Twitter: Van Der Vaart is on his way to England to sign for #avfc snubbing #readingfc
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I really cannot see this happening.
On Twitter: Van Der Vaart is on his way to England to sign for #avfc snubbing #readingfc
I really cannot see this happening.
Didn't we try to sign him about 10 years ago? Will he be joining our Coaching team?
I think we need two more in midfield.
Last season was the pinnacle of our midfield awfulness, but it's been woeful for a number of years.
We lack physicality and get bullied. We lack dynamism and legs to push the game on. We lack organisational knowhow and defensive steel to properly shield the back four and we lack goals.
We have a collection of vanilla players that are just meh.
Tshibola is a big lad, quick and decent on the ball. Hopefully he can provide some of the ingredients we have lacked post-Snake going to Man City. I would like to see a genuine defensive midfielder who can break up the play, but actually has the nous not to get caught up field or recycle the ball cheaply. That sort of player (Bridcut at this level?) may allow Sir Pointsalot to contribute more and increase the tempo of his passing.
We badly need an attacking threat too. Veretout was ultimately a disappointment, but there must be a player of genuine guile who can create and score at that level.
It looks like we're going in with Gardner and Westwood offering much the same; fine, there's a need for a deep lying playmaker and there's ade quote cover there.
However, Tishbola aside, you'd think at least two of the rest of Gana, Veretout and Sanchez are likely to go.
Two more midfielders please.
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Did Rodgers have Sinclair at Swansea?He had a member of the staff at Liverpool so I wouldn't put it past hom!
I think we need two more in midfield.
Last season was the pinnacle of our midfield awfulness, but it's been woeful for a number of years.
We lack physicality and get bullied. We lack dynamism and legs to push the game on. We lack organisational knowhow and defensive steel to properly shield the back four and we lack goals.
We have a collection of vanilla players that are just meh.
Tshibola is a big lad, quick and decent on the ball. Hopefully he can provide some of the ingredients we have lacked post-Snake going to Man City. I would like to see a genuine defensive midfielder who can break up the play, but actually has the nous not to get caught up field or recycle the ball cheaply. That sort of player (Bridcut at this level?) may allow Sir Pointsalot to contribute more and increase the tempo of his passing.
We badly need an attacking threat too. Veretout was ultimately a disappointment, but there must be a player of genuine guile who can create and score at that level.
It looks like we're going in with Gardner and Westwood offering much the same; fine, there's a need for a deep lying playmaker and there's ade quote cover there.
However, Tishbola aside, you'd think at least two of the rest of Gana, Veretout and Sanchez are likely to go.
Two more midfielders please.
I think dependant on who goes we'll need a right back, two midfielders and a striker.I agree, I think we're ok for GK, and centre backs. We seem pretty well stocked at left back, with decent enough quality.
I wonder if RDM fancies Green to have a big impact this season?I hope so, he's a better option, and seems more direct than Bacuna.
Last night certainly seemed like a test for the young players in the main.
I think dependant on who goes we'll need a right back, two midfielders and a striker.I agree, I think we're ok for GK, and centre backs. We seem pretty well stocked at left back, with decent enough quality.
I think if Sinclair goes and Adama not being fit enough, or even playing then we might be a wide player short.
Right back
2 Centre mids
wide player
striker.
Job's a good 'un.
I would be surprised if Tish has been brought as a back up
We need a couple of goal scoring midfielders and a mobile striker to complement Ayew.
All the current crop contribute little in terms of goals, assists and creativity, so if this isn't going to be improved then we are going to struggle to score and break teams down. How many times have we seen our midfielders get into decent positions but either misplace the final ball or have a poor shot at goal. Veretout, Sanchez and Grealish are particularly goal shy, where as Westwood and Gana are the main culprits for blazing shots off target, and it really would be soul destroying to see this continue.
I don't think replacing Hutton is a necessity
Difficult one but I'd probably go for Hutton.
I don't think replacing Hutton is a necessity. So, I think we'll be looking at 2 maybe 3 more - midfield, wide player (maybe), and forward.
http://7500toholte.sbnation.com/2016/7/27/12294706/villa-must-get-an-auction-going-for-idrissa-gana
Do you want to explain to them, or shall I?
Can someone explain this release clause thing to me. To my basic logic, if a player has a release clause set at 7.2m why would any other club put in a bid over that?
Tom Ross and some bloke off WM were saying the club now expect increased bids from other parties. Why ?
If he can leave for 7.2m then surely bidding that much gets you talks with the player and his agent and it's up to Gana whoever he signs for at that price
Right?
Wrong?
Difficult one but I'd probably go for Hutton.
and there's the problem with not replacing Hutton
I don't think replacing Hutton is a necessity
who's going to play right back if we don't ?
Can someone explain this release clause thing to me. To my basic logic, if a player has a release clause set at 7.2m why would any other club put in a bid over that?
Tom Ross and some bloke off WM were saying the club now expect increased bids from other parties. Why ?
If he can leave for 7.2m then surely bidding that much gets you talks with the player and his agent and it's up to Gana whoever he signs for at that price
Right?
Wrong?
The SB Nation writer is claiming (I don't know whether he's right or not) that clauses could be written so that the highest bid over the release figure can be accepted.
If so, it puts paid to our latest trope/meme
The problem with not replacing Hutton, is you are left with Hutton.Difficult one but I'd probably go for Hutton.
and there's the problem with not replacing Hutton
Difficult one but I'd probably go for Hutton.
and there's the problem with not replacing Hutton
He's good enough to play in the Championship.
The problem with not replacing Hutton, is you are left with Hutton.Difficult one but I'd probably go for Hutton.
and there's the problem with not replacing Hutton
Seriously though, I think Hutton will be comfortable at Championship level, wasn't there some stat recently about him being our fastest player and in the top 10 fastest PL players last season.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2809309/Phil-Jagielka-officially-fastest-player-Premier-League-no-not-joking.html
Hutton flatters to deceive. His forays whilst welcome against a back drop of ugly dull football, they rarely amount to anything except our right back being at the wrong end of the field.
I don't think replacing Hutton is a necessity. So, I think we'll be looking at 2 maybe 3 more - midfield, wide player (maybe), and forward.
What does Hutton offer that makes you think he is adequate even at this level, putting aside the fact we would have to replace him if we get promoted.
Apparently Man U are looking to send Wilson on a seasons loan. Worth a shout?
I don't think replacing Hutton is a necessity. So, I think we'll be looking at 2 maybe 3 more - midfield, wide player (maybe), and forward.
What does Hutton offer that makes you think he is adequate even at this level, putting aside the fact we would have to replace him if we get promoted.
Nothing more than a bang average player. But we're not going to go up with a team of 11 premier League level players so in some areas we will have to do with what we have. Hutton is a Championship level player and should be okay for the season. I wouldn't want him any further past this season though.
Apparently Man U are looking to send Wilson on a seasons loan. Worth a shout?
Once upon a time in land far away , Spurzzz paid £9 million to Rangers for him ??? £9 MILLION ??
Some statement if true. Shame the doctor wont show that sort of ambition
Take a look at @WolvesMail's Tweet: https://twitter.com/WolvesMail/status/758308146100121600?s=09
Some statement if true. Shame the doctor wont show that sort of ambition
Take a look at @WolvesMail's Tweet: https://twitter.com/WolvesMail/status/758308146100121600?s=09
So, Wolves transfer business is the latest reason to slag off Villa?
Two months & we haven't signed Messi....lets question the ambition!
This is not Football Manager
Some statement if true. Shame the doctor wont show that sort of ambition
Take a look at @WolvesMail's Tweet: https://twitter.com/WolvesMail/status/758308146100121600?s=09
So, Wolves transfer business is the latest reason to slag off Villa?
Two months & we haven't signed Messi....lets question the ambition!
This is not Football Manager
At least it shows there intent that theyre not going to piss about. If its true, then its another club we wont be able to compete with.
Hutton is quick. That instantly makes him one of the better full backs in the league.
Some statement if true. Shame the doctor wont show that sort of ambition
Take a look at @WolvesMail's Tweet: https://twitter.com/WolvesMail/status/758308146100121600?s=09
So, Wolves transfer business is the latest reason to slag off Villa?
Two months & we haven't signed Messi....lets question the ambition!
This is not Football Manager
At least it shows there intent that theyre not going to piss about. If its true, then its another day when I can come on here and have a whinge.
He can alternate the Steve Bull shirt with his Jeff Astle one.
Hutton flatters to deceive. His forays whilst welcome against a back drop of ugly dull football, they rarely amount to anything except our right back being at the wrong end of the field.
Some statement if true. Shame the doctor wont show that sort of ambition
Take a look at @WolvesMail's Tweet: https://twitter.com/WolvesMail/status/758308146100121600?s=09
Hutton is the least of our worries for this league. Besides, he has the right attitude which is a damn sight more than the majority of the rest.
Hutton is the least of our worries for this league. Besides, he has the right attitude which is a damn sight more than the majority of the rest.
Agree with that, even though he has been treated pretty shabbily at times in the past by the club he always gives his all. I think he will do well enough in the Championship.
Some statement if true. Shame the doctor wont show that sort of ambition
Take a look at @WolvesMail's Tweet: https://twitter.com/WolvesMail/status/758308146100121600?s=09
So, Wolves transfer business is the latest reason to slag off Villa?
Two months & we haven't signed Messi....lets question the ambition!
This is not Football Manager
At least it shows there intent that theyre not going to piss about. If its true, then its another club we wont be able to compete with.
Guzan has gone to Boro.Will he play on Saturday?
Hutton isn't good enough. End of. Disappointed that a top class RB hasn't been brought in. I have serious doubts that any more money is available for transfers without raising funds first. Mostly the same dross still there.
Some statement if true. Shame the doctor wont show that sort of ambition
Take a look at @WolvesMail's Tweet: https://twitter.com/WolvesMail/status/758308146100121600?s=09
Guzan has gone to Boro.
Putting Talisca in that Wolves side is mental. It would be like being served gruel in a solid gold dish.
Putting Talisca in that Wolves side is mental. It would be like being served gruel in a solid gold dish.
If he is that food, he wont go. Surely
Some statement if true. Shame the doctor wont show that sort of ambition
Take a look at @WolvesMail's Tweet: https://twitter.com/WolvesMail/status/758308146100121600?s=09
So, Wolves transfer business is the latest reason to slag off Villa?
Two months & we haven't signed Messi....lets question the ambition!
This is not Football Manager
At least it shows there intent that theyre not going to piss about. If its true, then its another club we wont be able to compete with.
Man City ready to pay about £50m for John Stones. I'm almost glad we aren't part of the PL insanity this season.
Putting Talisca in that Wolves side is mental. It would be like being served gruel in a solid gold dish.
Some statement if true. Shame the doctor wont show that sort of ambitionSo in the article, the new owners are quoted as saying...
Take a look at @WolvesMail's Tweet: https://twitter.com/WolvesMail/status/758308146100121600?s=09
We have said we will invest between £20 and £30m over the next two years. That is a necessity and if necessary we can put more money in....so naturally it makes sense that they are going to spend most of that on one player. Umkay.
I had some of that in a restaurant once. Baked Talisker.
Putting Talisca in that Wolves side is mental. It would be like being served gruel in a solid gold dish.
If he is that food, he wont go. Surely
Gabby will have eaten him before he signs for them.
Man City ready to pay about £50m for John Stones. I'm almost glad we aren't part of the PL insanity this season.
£50m for someone who wasn't deemed good enough to play in the euro's.
Guzan has gone to Boro.LTA will be pissed off then.
Guzan has gone to Boro.LTA will be pissed off then.
Hutton isn't good enough. End of. Disappointed that a top class RB hasn't been brought in. I have serious doubts that any more money is available for transfers without raising funds first. Mostly the same dross still there.
It's not about raising money first, however many times you say it.
Hutton isn't good enough. End of. Disappointed that a top class RB hasn't been brought in. I have serious doubts that any more money is available for transfers without raising funds first. Mostly the same dross still there.
It's not about raising money first, however many times you say it.
Mostly the same dross still there.....
We are stuck with Richards. David Moyes doesn't want him.Hopefully the fantastic manager and tactician (so his mates and some press lead you to believe) Tim Sherwood will be back in work (one day) and snap him up.
You forgot to mention that he doesn't score goals, less than 1 in 6 for everton. He has had, in his career, about a season and a half of looking capable of scoring at a decent level, he's right up there with the worst suggestions I've seen from footy.
You forgot to mention that he doesn't score goals, less than 1 in 6 for everton. He has had, in his career, about a season and a half of looking capable of scoring at a decent level, he's right up there with the worst suggestions I've seen from footy.
I quite like Kone actually, he's not that bad a player. I didn't realise he was 32 though.
cost peanuts though didn't he and was abusing the club for a couple of years. Well rid and his salary can be better used elsewhere.
Losing confidence and form (behind an utterly shit team) is hardly akin to abusing the club.
I'm not absolving him of responsibility at all. I think he played very poorly last season. All I'm saying s there is a difference between being short of confidence / form and 'abusing the club.'Quote from: chrisw1Losing confidence and form (behind an utterly shit team) is hardly akin to abusing the club.
Not picking at you here Chris, but Guzan's about the 11th player I've seen being almost absolved of responsibility for last season as they played in a poor team. To my mind, every player who contributed to last season was poor, including Ayew. They team was poor because of them, not in spite of them. I'd say that was the case for the past 3 seasons too, the only real exceptions being Benteke and Delph, who played consistently well in otherwise poor teams.
cost peanuts though didn't he and was abusing the club for a couple of years. Well rid and his salary can be better used elsewhere.
Losing confidence and form (behind an utterly shit team) is hardly akin to abusing the club. Neither is spitting a bit of chewing gum in one game. Him moving on is probably best for all, but hysterical language like this does no one any credit.
We are stuck with Richards. David Moyes doesn't want him.I'm not surprised
We are stuck with Richards. David Moyes doesn't want him.
You forgot to mention that he doesn't score goals, less than 1 in 6 for everton. He has had, in his career, about a season and a half of looking capable of scoring at a decent level, he's right up there with the worst suggestions I've seen from footy.
You forgot to mention that he doesn't score goals, less than 1 in 6 for everton. He has had, in his career, about a season and a half of looking capable of scoring at a decent level, he's right up there with the worst suggestions I've seen from footy.
Okay I'll try and come back with someone more appeasing. Just thought he could at lower league do okay. I'll be back with another striker shout ! Don't go anywhere !
You forgot to mention that he doesn't score goals, less than 1 in 6 for everton. He has had, in his career, about a season and a half of looking capable of scoring at a decent level, he's right up there with the worst suggestions I've seen from footy.
Okay I'll try and come back with someone more appeasing. Just thought he could at lower league do okay. I'll be back with another striker shout ! Don't go anywhere !
Someone who scores goals and wouldn't be ridiculously over-priced is your target. If they're from a lower level I want them to have a 1 in 2 record and if they're from about where we are I'd accept 1 in 3.
Maybe we could pick Altidore cheaply?
What's Stefan Moore up to these days
just signed onFixedat Solihull Moors
Maybe we could pick Altidore cheaply?
We are stuck with Richards. David Moyes doesn't want him.I'm not surprised
Is it fair to say that transfer activity has been a bit slow generally?
Cheers footy, transfers are a bit like house buying chains, the whole chain has to move.Is it fair to say that transfer activity has been a bit slow generally?
As slow as Nathan baker ! To be fair .
Hopefully a few surprises once the players are transferred out. Think some more activity after Boro match. And then after Luton cup match but still plenrly of time
That's called keeping your options open.Maybe we could pick Altidore cheaply?
He's yesterday's man ! Mls have lots of strikers better than him. Like an ex I fallen out of love and moved on . Mls all stars play arsenal tonight ! There are a couple of strikers who are decent SEBASTIAN GIOVINCO is the man we should get as drogba and villa past it. Regards American options there's a chap called Dom Dwyer who looks decent and actually from UK. Anyway from prem league if we don't want kone then we looking at crouchie , Nugent, bamford or James Wilson
looks like Sinclair could be on his way - deleted any Villa reference on his Twatter whatsit, apparently. I'd quite like Wilson on loan, but Kodjia looks a really good fit.
I just think we need to sign a forward regardless
I just think we need to sign a forward regardless
I just think we need to sign a forward regardless
I just think we need to sign a forward regardless
Agree, it's been crying out for a new striker since RDM took over. Worries me as to the transfer money available. All these promised funds seem to have evaporated.
Is it fair to say that transfer activity has been a bit slow generally?Well, we've bought three players and been told by Dr Tone what is to happen. I.e. ditch a few players this week and then buy including a striker. I don't think there's any need to worry but I always like to open my birthday presents early!
Xia did say 3-4 out this week. Guzan, Sinclair, Gana? Maybe Richards to Sunderland was the 4th before it collapsed, or Sanchez to Olympique Marseille.
Not done a very good job his profile picture is in a villa shirtlooks like Sinclair could be on his way - deleted any Villa reference on his Twatter whatsit, apparently. I'd quite like Wilson on loan, but Kodjia looks a really good fit.
Like a scorned ex girlfriend?
I just think we need to sign a forward regardless
Agree, it's been crying out for a new striker since RDM took over. Worries me as to the transfer money available. All these promised funds seem to have evaporated.
What makes you say that? Because we haven't signed nobody for a couple of weeks? For christ's sake.
I just think we need to sign a forward regardless
Agree, it's been crying out for a new striker since RDM took over. Worries me as to the transfer money available. All these promised funds seem to have evaporated.
What makes you say that? Because we haven't signed nobody for a couple of weeks? For christ's sake.
I just think the planning is poor with a week to go before the kick off. What chance have these potential new signings got to bed in with the 'squad'? I hope I'm proved wrong but I'm not convinced on the transfer funds.
Rumours of Ricky Lambert again. Would be a diabolical signing. Even less mobile than Gestede.
Still a forward line with Ayew as top scorer (if he's still here) on 7 goals and a midfield where no-one got more than 2 goals all season doesn't bode well to me
I just think we need to sign a forward regardless
Agree, it's been crying out for a new striker since RDM took over. Worries me as to the transfer money available. All these promised funds seem to have evaporated.
What makes you say that? Because we haven't signed nobody for a couple of weeks? For christ's sake.
I just think the planning is poor with a week to go before the kick off. What chance have these potential new signings got to bed in with the 'squad'? I hope I'm proved wrong but I'm not convinced on the transfer funds.
Rumours of Ricky Lambert again. Would be a diabolical signing. Even less mobile than Gestede.
Yeah the Lambert ship has sailed now. Oddly it might had been better for us to have signed him a couple of years ago. Then he had a fair bit of momentum and probably would have offered us something a bit different at least.
Still a forward line with Ayew as top scorer (if he's still here) on 7 goals and a midfield where no-one got more than 2 goals all season doesn't bode well to me
Think you have to give Ayew the benefit of the doubt for last season. It was his first season in English football, we were beyond terrible and he was one of the better performers. In the Championship I expect him to get a bit more space and can see him and Gustaide having a good season up front. Its just a case of if we can hold onto him. Would be a big blow to lose him, not least this close to the season. I think up front is the one position we actually look pretty strong.
Cheers footy, transfers are a bit like house buying chains, the whole chain has to move.Is it fair to say that transfer activity has been a bit slow generally?
As slow as Nathan baker ! To be fair .
Hopefully a few surprises once the players are transferred out. Think some more activity after Boro match. And then after Luton cup match but still plenrly of time
It's not just a matter of getting the strikers right. Last season in particular there was no creativity, no supply of chances for the strikers to take. It's a much bigger problem to have a team that doesn't create chances than one that does but the forwards aren't taking their chances. Gestede in particular is reliant on width and regular, good quality crosses. Amavi's the best one for that and as unpopular as this comment will be, Bacuna used to make a lot of Benteke's goals. Bennett might be another one but after that I'm struggling to think of anyone else who has a good cross on them.
I just think we need to sign a forward regardless
Agree, it's been crying out for a new striker since RDM took over. Worries me as to the transfer money available. All these promised funds seem to have evaporated.
What makes you say that? Because we haven't signed nobody for a couple of weeks? For christ's sake.
I just think the planning is poor with a week to go before the kick off. What chance have these potential new signings got to bed in with the 'squad'? I hope I'm proved wrong but I'm not convinced on the transfer funds.
We got the majority in early last season with time to bed in, how did that go? Stop wetting the bed.
I just think we need to sign a forward regardless
Agree, it's been crying out for a new striker since RDM took over. Worries me as to the transfer money available. All these promised funds seem to have evaporated.
What makes you say that? Because we haven't signed nobody for a couple of weeks? For christ's sake.
I just think the planning is poor with a week to go before the kick off. What chance have these potential new signings got to bed in with the 'squad'? I hope I'm proved wrong but I'm not convinced on the transfer funds.
We got the majority in early last season with time to bed in, how did that go? Stop wetting the bed.
My gut feeling last year was that it would be a poor season, and it's the same now. Most of the dross is still there who managed the grand total of 17 points.
No chance Grealish and Gestede combined will get 25+ goals.
I can't see Gabby moving at all!
Guzan, Gana and Sinclair likely to be gone within a few days.After the hype of ownership and managerial changes I feel a bit flat at the moment..... Add ayew to gana and Sinclair , as usual (but on a different level) our better players are leaving before poor ones .... Bacuna, lescott, Richards for example.
No chance Grealish and Gestede combined will get 25+ goals.
I wouldn't bet against it and I'm no fan of Rudy (as a footballer)
Jordan Ayew wants to join West Ham instead of OGC Nice, according to sensational reports in France...
Just read on the mail ready to listen to offers for Richards, Gabby etc...Ive just taken a dump and cant get the bastard to flush. Im now willing to listen to offers for it...
Obviously these and others have been told that they have no future at the club by RDM
True, I don't see Rudy as being a ruthless forward who bag 15-20 goals. But I do think he suits the Championship down to the ground and had a solid season first season for us. I can see him and Ayew making a pretty strong partneship. But take your point, maybe we still one old school goal machine.
Jordan Ayew wants to join West Ham instead of OGC Nice, according to sensational reports in France...
I wonder if they have the right Ayew as his brother Andre is being lined up in the British media for a move to West Ham from Swansea
Jordan Ayew wants to join West Ham instead of OGC Nice, according to sensational reports in France...
I wonder if they have the right Ayew as his brother Andre is being lined up in the British media for a move to West Ham from Swansea
Jordan Ayew wants to join West Ham instead of OGC Nice, according to sensational reports in France...
I wonder if they have the right Ayew as his brother Andre is being lined up in the British media for a move to West Ham from Swansea
West Ham are close to signing 26-year-old Swansea City forward Andre Ayew for £16m. (Sun)
I know it's that shitepaper the Sun
UTV
The Doc
Guzan, Gana and Sinclair likely to be gone within a few days.After the hype of ownership and managerial changes I feel a bit flat at the moment..... Add ayew to gana and Sinclair , as usual (but on a different level) our better players are leaving before poor ones .... Bacuna, lescott, Richards for example.
Plus it's raining on my day off again and I'm buying tickets for bloody Huddersfield !!!
Gestede had one good season in the Championship; on the basis of which Dim Tim bought him.True, I don't see Rudy as being a ruthless forward who bag 15-20 goals. But I do think he suits the Championship down to the ground and had a solid season first season for us. I can see him and Ayew making a pretty strong partneship. But take your point, maybe we still one old school goal machine.
Gestede had a solid first season for us? He was absolutely woeful in general play and his goal return.
Gestede had one good season in the Championship; on the basis of which Dim Tim bought him.True, I don't see Rudy as being a ruthless forward who bag 15-20 goals. But I do think he suits the Championship down to the ground and had a solid season first season for us. I can see him and Ayew making a pretty strong partneship. But take your point, maybe we still one old school goal machine.
Gestede had a solid first season for us? He was absolutely woeful in general play and his goal return.
I personally do not think he is up to it.
Are we being linked with anyone?
It's very quiet on the 'in' front which is what Dr Tony predicted for this week however it'd be nice be linked to some new players as the deals usually take a few weeks to sort themselves out.
Are we being linked with anyone?
It's very quiet on the 'in' front which is what Dr Tony predicted for this week however it'd be nice be linked to some new players as the deals usually take a few weeks to sort themselves out.
Yes, the carthorse that is Ricky Lambert and Patrick Bamford. If those pair come in and Ayew goes god help us. If Ayew stays and Bamford comes in as well that wouldn't be the worst thing in the world though I guess
But imagine this potential horror show ... Gestede, Lambert, Bamford
Slowest forward line since Micky Quinn and Akinfenwa
Gestede had a 1 in 2 record for Blackburn.
12 goals in 22 games in his first season and then 22 goals in 44 games in his second season.
He's easily good enough to score 20 again.
Sherwood's biggest mistake was to sign somebody who is absolutely lethal in the air inside the 18 yard box, but only sign one person capable of putting in a decent cross. His second at Anfield was Andy Gray esq and the quality of the delivery was superb, but then the only person capable of giving us a bit of width went out for the season and guess what, no crosses and he struggles.
He's too limited to play in the top flight, but its not his fault that the manager who bought him didn't think to play to his strengths.
"But imagine this potential horror show ... Gestede, Lambert, Bamford
Slowest forward line since Micky Quinn and Akinfenwa"
Even with the moneyball system at least the weakness would be identified even if our scouting happened to miss out on it ... lets chill and give RDM some slack ...ages to go yet before the window shuts.
I'm reasonably sure we won't as both RDM and the good Doctor have both said we will be getting a new striker. as long as it's not Ricky Lambert then great.
What is Xia on about with his latest tweet.Can someone please explain?
Once someone has clause in contract, looks like being giving a chance to betray. Said staying one day and escaped the other day. D now G!
I'll take a wild guess it's Delph.
"But imagine this potential horror show ... Gestede, Lambert, Bamford
Slowest forward line since Micky Quinn and Akinfenwa"
Even with the moneyball system at least the weakness would be identified even if our scouting happened to miss out on it ... lets chill and give RDM some slack ...ages to go yet before the window shuts.
What Moneyball system is that?
I'll take a wild guess it's Delph.
Yes probably was.I wasn't thinking straight.
Who?
I'll take a wild guess it's Delph.
Yes probably was.I wasn't thinking straight.
To be honest, I'm not too bothered about Gana going. I do think we need a replacement though and I would hope to see an Elphick type signing brought in to provide a bit of stability in midfield. If we had that type of player then we could partner them with either Tshibola, Sanchez, Gardner or even Veretout. A Villa fan I work with pulled a face when I mentioned him earlier, but I honestly think Charlie Adam would be an ideal signing for us.
What is Xia on about with his latest tweet.Can someone please explain?
You mean this one?QuoteOnce someone has clause in contract, looks like being giving a chance to betray. Said staying one day and escaped the other day. D now G!
I'm assuming Gana had said he'd stay but then left, but who "D" is I can't think.
"But imagine this potential horror show ... Gestede, Lambert, Bamford
Slowest forward line since Micky Quinn and Akinfenwa"
Even with the moneyball system at least the weakness would be identified even if our scouting happened to miss out on it ... lets chill and give RDM some slack ...ages to go yet before the window shuts.
What Moneyball system is that?
Villa are signing Kevin Youkilis
Altogether now.......... Yoooooooooooooooouuuuuuuuukkkkkkkkkkk
"But imagine this potential horror show ... Gestede, Lambert, Bamford
Slowest forward line since Micky Quinn and Akinfenwa"
Even with the moneyball system at least the weakness would be identified even if our scouting happened to miss out on it ... lets chill and give RDM some slack ...ages to go yet before the window shuts.
What Moneyball system is that?
Villa are signing Kevin Youkilis
Altogether now.......... Yoooooooooooooooouuuuuuuuukkkkkkkkkkk
I'll take a wild guess it's Delph.
Yes probably was.I wasn't thinking straight.
To be honest, I'm not too bothered about Gana going. I do think we need a replacement though and I would hope to see an Elphick type signing brought in to provide a bit of stability in midfield. If we had that type of player then we could partner them with either Tshibola, Sanchez, Gardner or even Veretout. A Villa fan I work with pulled a face when I mentioned him earlier, but I honestly think Charlie Adam would be an ideal signing for us.
Adam is completely the wrong type of signing for us, our biggest issue in midfield is that we've lacked physicality, Adam does put himself about in terms of kicking people but his work rate is so poor that it doesn't matter, games bypass him all too often. Tish is the right sort of player, big, strong, quick but with technical ability as well. I'd like another player in that mould.
Oh yeah, I'm delighted someone's daft enough to pay for him and I'm desperate to get rid, it's just so bloody unfair. In an ideal world he'd be fucked off to somewhere like Stranraer or Raith. And driven there in a boiling hot Smart car by Gloria Hunniford, with Celine Dion on the car stereo. Without stopping at the services. The arrogant bastard.
we might be better at that
Oh yeah, I'm delighted someone's daft enough to pay for him and I'm desperate to get rid, it's just so bloody unfair. In an ideal world he'd be fucked off to somewhere like Stranraer or Raith. And driven there in a boiling hot Smart car by Gloria Hunniford, with Celine Dion on the car stereo. Without stopping at the services. The arrogant bastard.
Raithist
No chance that Barry is part of the Gana deal? Probably not as that takes a bit of imagination. Barry would be a good shout to guide the younger players.Wouldn't he just?!
No chance that Barry is part of the Gana deal? Probably not as that takes a bit of imagination. Barry would be a good shout to guide the younger players.
No chance that Barry is part of the Gana deal? Probably not as that takes a bit of imagination. Barry would be a good shout to guide the younger players.
How would you go about negotiating that then?
"We offer the amount stipulated in Gana's contract to allow us to negotiate terms with him for his transfer"
"Any chance that you fancy giving us your player of the season as well / instead?"
"Thanks, but we'll just stick to paying you the relative pittance that his contract says that we have to"
No chance that Barry is part of the Gana deal? Probably not as that takes a bit of imagination. Barry would be a good shout to guide the younger players.
How would you go about negotiating that then?
"We offer the amount stipulated in Gana's contract to allow us to negotiate terms with him for his transfer"
"Any chance that you fancy giving us your player of the season as well / instead?"
"Thanks, but we'll just stick to paying you the relative pittance that his contract says that we have to"
Yes, the relative 'pittance' expected says it all. Our stock is so low that we can't even envisage recruiting an ex-hero at 35.
Oh yeah, I'm delighted someone's daft enough to pay for him and I'm desperate to get rid, it's just so bloody unfair. In an ideal world he'd be fucked off to somewhere like Stranraer or Raith. And driven there in a boiling hot Smart car by Gloria Hunniford, with Celine Dion on the car stereo. Without stopping at the services. The arrogant bastard.
Raithist
I started so trawl the thread but it would have taken ages - who was this post about?
No chance that Barry is part of the Gana deal? Probably not as that takes a bit of imagination. Barry would be a good shout to guide the younger players.
How would you go about negotiating that then?
"We offer the amount stipulated in Gana's contract to allow us to negotiate terms with him for his transfer"
"Any chance that you fancy giving us your player of the season as well / instead?"
"Thanks, but we'll just stick to paying you the relative pittance that his contract says that we have to"
Yes, the relative 'pittance' expected says it all. Our stock is so low that we can't even envisage recruiting an ex-hero at 35.
Crikey. If Tony is spitting feathers over losing Guzan, what would he be like is somebody tried to tap up Jack Grealish?
Crikey. If Tony is spitting feathers over losing Guzan, what would he be like is somebody tried to tap up Jack Grealish?
It is Gana he is upset about. Which is fair enough, but what is worrying is that appears he did not know about the release clause.
Mr Chincilla Bathhouse himself.
He clearly does not like Raith Rovers. :(
Crikey. If Tony is spitting feathers over losing Guzan, what would he be like is somebody tried to tap up Jack Grealish?
It is Gana he is upset about. Which is fair enough, but what is worrying is that appears he did not know about the release clause.
It sounds like Gana had said he would stay and then turned and done the complete opposite. He's just had his first experience of a footballer's integrity - welcome to the sport Tony.
Everton released Osman. I can't help think there's a reason no one seems to have shown much interest in a free agent.
According to mirror were signing Pantilimon for £2m. Odd
Presumably someone at the Mirror has seen us sell Guzan, are too dumb to realise we've already signed Gollini and have just made up the story. I think we've got higher priorities for that £2m to go towards.
Presumably someone at the Mirror has seen us sell Guzan, are too dumb to realise we've already signed Gollini and have just made up the story. I think we've got higher priorities for that £2m to go towards.
He is about 6 foot 7 aint he lol. There again he looks like a midget in goal, he is shocking, think you are right re the link
bamford has also been linked with Celtic I believe.Are we being linked with anyone?
It's very quiet on the 'in' front which is what Dr Tony predicted for this week however it'd be nice be linked to some new players as the deals usually take a few weeks to sort themselves out.
Yes, the carthorse that is Ricky Lambert and Patrick Bamford. If those pair come in and Ayew goes god help us. If Ayew stays and Bamford comes in as well that wouldn't be the worst thing in the world though I guess
But imagine this potential horror show ... Gestede, Lambert, Bamford
Slowest forward line since Micky Quinn and Akinfenwa
i think Sanchez would do quite well in a championship side and would be inclined to include him in the starting lineup.I'll take a wild guess it's Delph.
Yes probably was.I wasn't thinking straight.
To be honest, I'm not too bothered about Gana going. I do think we need a replacement though and I would hope to see an Elphick type signing brought in to provide a bit of stability in midfield. If we had that type of player then we could partner them with either Tshibola, Sanchez, Gardner or even Veretout. A Villa fan I work with pulled a face when I mentioned him earlier, but I honestly think Charlie Adam would be an ideal signing for us.
According to mirror were signing Pantilimon for £2m. Odd
That would be really strange tbh, Bunn and Stead are good enough back up
According to mirror were signing Pantilimon for £2m. Odd
That would be really strange tbh, Bunn and Stead are good enough back up
I wouldn't say no to Flamini in theory, but I'm reluctant to sign those old released players ever since I saw Pires huffing and puffing in the Villa midfield.
Presumably someone at the Mirror has seen us sell Guzan, are too dumb to realise we've already signed Gollini and have just made up the story. I think we've got higher priorities for that £2m to go towards.
He is about 6 foot 7 aint he lol. There again he looks like a midget in goal, he is shocking, think you are right re the link
He was the second choice at Man City when our keeper coach was there. Bunn is nowhere near good enough, so for 2m considering money is not an issue getting the right squad is, it makes sense. Gollini may suffer loss of form, or injury, and I would not want to rely on Bunn and Steer if 3-6 points is the difference between promotion.
flamini is 32
flamini is 32
Pires must have been a good five years older though.
I just thought we needed a Peterov figure and we're hoping for the man himself, so Flamini could be that old head and some one to inspire the younger players.
I agree with the retirement home comment though, we have signed big name players far too many times who have been past it. Schmeichel,Joe Cole, Pires, I could go on but the last thing we need is an over the hill prima dona on big wages.
We don't seem t have been linked to anyone recently have we? Which is a little concerning even if half of the stuff the press print is rubbish,
What happened to Alan judge at Brentford? Is he injured? Sounded like the sort of player we need to sign earlier in the summer
I just thought we needed a Peterov figure and we're hoping for the man himself, so Flamini could be that old head and some one to inspire the younger players.
I agree with the retirement home comment though, we have signed big name players far too many times who have been past it. Schmeichel,Joe Cole, Pires, I could go on but the last thing we need is an over the hill prima dona on big wages.
We don't seem t have been linked to anyone recently have we? Which is a little concerning even if half of the stuff the press print is rubbish,
What happened to Alan judge at Brentford? Is he injured? Sounded like the sort of player we need to sign earlier in the summer
Alan Judge is out with a broken leg.
the geezer from The Sun still thinks we are in for Kodjia for £10m. Bristol holding out for £13m
the geezer from The Sun still thinks we are in for Kodjia for £10m. Bristol holding out for £13m
Surely Xia can afford 13mil. After all he stated that he was going to provide the new manager with funds of between 20-50 mil when he bought the club.
I'm starting to suspect most of our new signings will be players on loan.
we need a striker as an absolute prerequisite. Dobbin is not up to the job.
the geezer from The Sun still thinks we are in for Kodjia for £10m. Bristol holding out for £13m
Surely Xia can afford 13mil. After all he stated that he was going to provide the new manager with funds of between 20-50 mil when he bought the club.
It's not just about that, though.
THe amount of money we have to spend will be finite, there won't be a never ending bucket of it. There will have to be a limit as to how much we will pay for a player.
I'm glad we are not just panicking and rushing into deals. RDM seems to know what he wants and Xia is backing his judgement. This isn't Lerner and Sherwood. It seems better thought out and we should be patient as he evaluates his needs and plans for the season properly. This is a long campaign and much will change over the next few months. It's very much for about having a stable base, gathering momentum and finishing strong.
The fullbacks are atrocious and offer no real width. Midfield lacks a voice, pace and creativity. Upfront lacks pretty much everything.
Centre mid, attacking mid, right back, centre forward. Really needed. As for Hutton, he's still shit.
I was surprised (or disappointed if that was a glimpse of next week's starting XI) that Cissoko is ahead of Bennett in the pecking order.
The fullbacks are atrocious and offer no real width.
The fullbacks are atrocious and offer no real width.
Amavi is atrocious and offers no real width?
Hmm.
The fullbacks are atrocious and offer no real width.
Amavi is atrocious and offers no real width?
Hmm.
flamini is 32
Would be a decent signing for a couple of years, but would think he would have other offers. Said it earlier in the thread, but we need a steadying influence in the middle of the park.
The fullbacks are atrocious and offer no real width.
Amavi is atrocious and offers no real width?
Hmm.
I'm hoping he meant today as opposed to including Amavi who is a very good attacking full back and an outstanding crosser of the ball.
the geezer from The Sun still thinks we are in for Kodjia for £10m. Bristol holding out for £13m
The difficult part being in 2Di is that we have to wait in the transfer market chain if you want get 1Di players.
You learn more from your defeats than you do from your victories. I am sure RDM knows what and who he wants. I hope he sees, now we've played a tougher and more competitive game, that the likes of Westwood, Bacuna, Cissokho, Bennett etc, cannot be relied upon if promotion is the real aim. Four weeks to go, make them count.
Interesting observation by The Doc on Twitter just now when asked if we were having trouble attracting playersQuoteThe difficult part being in 2Di is that we have to wait in the transfer market chain if you want get 1Di players.
To me it suggests that we are after a certain calibre of player rather than just buying for the sake of it. That we have an eye on the now, but also a required eye on the future. Promotion is the key so we need to buy such that if everything goes to plan the players we acquire will continue to develop at a higher level. It's a fine balancing act getting that right given the current situation and the need to get off to a positive and encouraging start.
great crosser but a shit defender with no bottle
great crosser but a shit defender with no bottle
Is he bollocks.
great crosser but a shit defender with no bottle
Is he bollocks.
do you remember the goal we conceded at home to the bitters? can you remember the name of the left back who bottled a 50/50 challenge that led to their goal?
After the dust has settled on the takeover and board changes and hype of everything surrounding it plus owners tweets, we play a similar inept team to last year, poor standard, dodgy defending and complete lack of goals upfront...... Currently more worried than at the end of last season !😡
You learn more from your defeats than you do from your victories. I am sure RDM knows what and who he wants. I hope he sees, now we've played a tougher and more competitive game, that the likes of Westwood, Bacuna, Cissokho, Bennett etc, cannot be relied upon if promotion is the real aim. Four weeks to go, make them count.
I'm all up for getting a decent forward in but we don't really create a lot no matter who comes in. Football is so bloody easy and I'm miffed to why this lot struggle to do the the absolute basics.
Yeah point.I'm all up for getting a decent forward in but we don't really create a lot no matter who comes in. Football is so bloody easy and I'm miffed to why this lot struggle to do the the absolute basics.
True. But a forward running in behind is going to offer a pass to grealish or ayew that gestede never will. He'll also stretch the defence to create more space.
There's loads of problems in that team but as soon as we lost benteke that position has been the biggest one by a mile for me
great crosser but a shit defender with no bottle
Is he bollocks.
do you remember the goal we conceded at home to the bitters? can you remember the name of the left back who bottled a 50/50 challenge that led to their goal?
i could count another 3 or 4 times in other games when he bottled it and didnt want to put his foot in
great going forward, suspect defensively
The fullbacks are atrocious and offer no real width.
Amavi is atrocious and offers no real width?
Hmm.
Sorry Robbo but Sanchez in the time he was on was very error prone against Cambridge. I have tried hard to like him but I brick it every time he gets the ball these days. His brain speed has not quickened to the pace of the English game. Gardner and Tish look much more solid.obviously I wasn't at the Cambridge match like you were Brian, but my mind keeps going back to the World Cup game in 2012 where he excelled. I know it was only one game and he had a shocker last season, as did most of our players. However, with a bit more quality around him and passing options to players with more movement, I reckon he could come good in the C'ship.
double leg break according to the Graun C'ship season previewI just thought we needed a Peterov figure and we're hoping for the man himself, so Flamini could be that old head and some one to inspire the younger players.
I agree with the retirement home comment though, we have signed big name players far too many times who have been past it. Schmeichel,Joe Cole, Pires, I could go on but the last thing we need is an over the hill prima dona on big wages.
We don't seem t have been linked to anyone recently have we? Which is a little concerning even if half of the stuff the press print is rubbish,
What happened to Alan judge at Brentford? Is he injured? Sounded like the sort of player we need to sign earlier in the summer
Alan Judge is out with a broken leg.
...and still more mobile than a couple I could mention
to be honest Long John Silver or his parrot would give us more movement up top that Rudy.
I think we 'll go back after the Bristol city striker after testing waters before with a bid. Probably come in after 1st match
Sunday Times reporting we are after Abel Hernandez from Hull. Cash plus Gestede. Suggests we're trying to take advantage of their chairman trying to sell the club.They can have Agbonlahor, Lescott, Richards & Bacuna as part of the deal too
Hernandez scored 21 last season.
Sunday Times reporting we are after Abel Hernandez from Hull. Cash plus Gestede. Suggests we're trying to take advantage of their chairman trying to sell the club.
Hernandez scored 21 last season.
Sunday Times reporting we are after Abel Hernandez from Hull. Cash plus Gestede. Suggests we're trying to take advantage of their chairman trying to sell the club.
Hernandez scored 21 last season.
Sunday Times reporting we are after Abel Hernandez from Hull. Cash plus Gestede. Suggests we're trying to take advantage of their chairman trying to sell the club.
Hernandez scored 21 last season.
Would be good but cant imagine why Hernandez would swop the prem for the championship
another impediment to this being Hull don't have a manager, so seems unikely
Sunday Times reporting we are after Abel Hernandez from Hull. Cash plus Gestede.
Hernandez scored 21 last season.
Sunday Times reporting we are after Abel Hernandez from Hull. Cash plus Gestede. Suggests we're trying to take advantage of their chairman trying to sell the club.
Hernandez scored 21 last season.
To be fair Rudy's scored more last season in the Prem than Abel did the season before. I think both players are in that "good in the champ, not great in the Prem" camp. That said, if we trade Gestede for Hernandez we are definitely getting the better deal. I think we're better off having pace up front rather than a lump. Unless we sign a couple of wide men and play the right system.Sunday Times reporting we are after Abel Hernandez from Hull. Cash plus Gestede.
Hernandez scored 21 last season.
well he is more abel to score scores than Gestede i suppose. Rudy looked rubbish yesterday
To be fair Rudy's scored more last season in the Prem than Abel did the season before. I think both players are in that "good in the champ, not great in the Prem" camp. That said, if we trade Gestede for Hernandez we are definitely getting the better deal. I think we're better off having pace up front rather than a lump. Unless we sign a couple of wide men and play the right system.Sunday Times reporting we are after Abel Hernandez from Hull. Cash plus Gestede.
Hernandez scored 21 last season.
well he is more abel to score scores than Gestede i suppose. Rudy looked rubbish yesterday
Cash plus player for a deal with a club without a manager?
Surely no club would be that stupid...
Cash plus player for a deal with a club without a manager?
Surely no club would be that stupid...
Yes, we were!
We need 2 players with genuine pace into the forward line. Hernandez would be good. Still think Nakhi Wells would be a good signing. More than anything though we need a wide player with pace.
So Gabby is apparently to get yet another chance. If ever there was an indication there is fuck all money available this must surely be it. I truly hope I'm wrong but I fear Dr T is full of crap.
While it seems easy just to cancel contracts there needs to be a degree of rationality tied to any player decision this new team makes. I think has Gabby came back to training looking the embarrassment the club put up with last season he'd have been out on his ear. However he came back looking as lean as we have seen him in years, so while the anger at him from fans exists, the manager would have spoken to him and gauged him by his attitude to getting back in shape. It's a shame in that regard he got injured and couldn't continue to become match fit. Naturally there is a financial component too and writing off contracts while it might sound easy when it's not your money is very expensive to do and takes away from addressing needs elsewhere.Hear what you're saying TV, but I have always held the view that Gabby at the peak of his game was only ever just about an average player. Have never really liked him as a player and this is despite his two late strikes against SMA. Of course these were enjoyable but every forward has to score occasionally. He was fortunate that his were able to give him breathing space in terms of popularity to perform poorly for much of the rest of the time. To be fair to him, it wasn't an attitude problem in earlier days, he's just never been that good a footballer.
You can say what you like. But a manager spouting a banal platitude about a player he has yet to select for any of our friendlies does not constitute proof that there is "fuck all money", with a month of the transfer window still ahead of us.
RDM rates Gabby I think.
While it seems easy just to cancel contracts there needs to be a degree of rationality tied to any player decision this new team makes. I think has Gabby came back to training looking the embarrassment the club put up with last season he'd have been out on his ear. However he came back looking as lean as we have seen him in years, so while the anger at him from fans exists, the manager would have spoken to him and gauged him by his attitude to getting back in shape. It's a shame in that regard he got injured and couldn't continue to become match fit. Naturally there is a financial component too and writing off contracts while it might sound easy when it's not your money is very expensive to do and takes away from addressing needs elsewhere.
While it seems easy just to cancel contracts there needs to be a degree of rationality tied to any player decision this new team makes. I think has Gabby came back to training looking the embarrassment the club put up with last season he'd have been out on his ear. However he came back looking as lean as we have seen him in years, so while the anger at him from fans exists, the manager would have spoken to him and gauged him by his attitude to getting back in shape. It's a shame in that regard he got injured and couldn't continue to become match fit. Naturally there is a financial component too and writing off contracts while it might sound easy when it's not your money is very expensive to do and takes away from addressing needs elsewhere.Hear what you're saying TV, but I have always held the view that Gabby at the peak of his game was only ever just about an average player. Have never really liked him as a player and this is despite his two late strikes against SMA. Of course these were enjoyable but every forward has to score occasionally. He was fortunate that his were able to give him breathing space in terms of popularity to perform poorly for much of the rest of the time. To be fair to him, it wasn't an attitude problem in earlier days, he's just never been that good a footballer.
RDM rates Gabby I think.
You can say what you like. But a manager spouting a banal platitude about a player he has yet to select for any of our friendlies does not constitute proof that there is "fuck all money", with a month of the transfer window still ahead of us.
He did play in the game over at Stourport and he didn't do very much.
I think we haven't moved enough of the unwanted squad players yet. I think a steady season in this year's Championship is a reasonable goal this season, we are not playing premiership teams week in weekout this should enable this squad to win a few matches. No bomb squad please, also if we go straight back up Dr T has to fork out to RL just maybe he wants to sit it out.The club have already made it clear that the objective for the management team and playing staff is promotion back to the PL at the first attempt. If that is to be believed, then they haven't exactly taken steps to fill the fans with the confidence that this is going to happen with the transfer activity so far. I think part of the problem is that they have set expectations but currently failed to provide any evidence on the pitch that this will be achieved.
We need 2 players with genuine pace into the forward line. Hernandez would be good. Still think Nakhi Wells would be a good signing. More than anything though we need a wide player with pace.Green, Davis and H-M would be a start ....
We need 2 players with genuine pace into the forward line. Hernandez would be good. Still think Nakhi Wells would be a good signing. More than anything though we need a wide player with pace.Green, Davis and H-M would be a start ....
33/1 for relegation at the moment. Don't think it will happen, but with the way the squad looks at the moment that price is too big.
I think something like 12/1 would be a more realistic price
33/1 for relegation at the moment. Don't think it will happen, but with the way the squad looks at the moment that price is too big.
I think something like 12/1 would be a more realistic price
33/1 for relegation at the moment. Don't think it will happen, but with the way the squad looks at the moment that price is too big.
I think something like 12/1 would be a more realistic price
FFS
Or Hutton/Richards at right back?
33/1 for relegation at the moment. Don't think it will happen, but with the way the squad looks at the moment that price is too big.
I think something like 12/1 would be a more realistic price
So get on it if you think it's priced in the gambler's favour.
Bet big and make the most of it.
On which, promotion or relegation?33/1 for relegation at the moment. Don't think it will happen, but with the way the squad looks at the moment that price is too big.
I think something like 12/1 would be a more realistic price
So get on it if you think it's priced in the gambler's favour.
Bet big and make the most of it.
I have had a cheeky tenner on it. Although I do thoroughly expect the squad to be improved by the time the window closes. That's why I said the way the squad looks at the moment
I think a lot of ppl need to realise that the standard in the Championship is pretty poor so even with our current load of shite squad we will most likely finish in the top half of the table (I advise anyone who disagrees with this statement to take a look at last seasons Championship table). It's what we do in the next few weeks that will determine how high up the table we could finish.33/1 for relegation at the moment. Don't think it will happen, but with the way the squad looks at the moment that price is too big.
I think something like 12/1 would be a more realistic price
I know "it's only a friendly" but on yesterdays showing we will be nearer to relegation than promotion, but I don't think either will happen
There has to be more targets though. I mean Bristol City got Kodjia last summer for a couple of million. We must have some forward options scouted that would not cost the earth but actually give us some drive and thrust going forward. We can't even play on the counter due to a lack of any pace.
Or Hutton/Richards at right back?
Like many, I'm not a fan of the man. But if he remains here and is willing to play right back - I'd give him the benefit of the doubt. As I've said before, Hutton is good enough for the championship, in my opinion.
I think a lot of ppl need to realise that the standard in the Championship is pretty poor so even with our current load of shite squad we will most likely finish in the top half of the table (I advise anyone who disagrees with this statement to take a look at last seasons Championship table). It's what we do in the next few weeks that will determine how high up the table we could finish.33/1 for relegation at the moment. Don't think it will happen, but with the way the squad looks at the moment that price is too big.
I think something like 12/1 would be a more realistic price
I know "it's only a friendly" but on yesterdays showing we will be nearer to relegation than promotion, but I don't think either will happen
There has to be more targets though. I mean Bristol City got Kodjia last summer for a couple of million. We must have some forward options scouted that would not cost the earth but actually give us some drive and thrust going forward. We can't even play on the counter due to a lack of any pace.
FFS
12/1 would make us around 17th favourites for relegation.
Hardly a "FFS" worthy statement
There has to be more targets though. I mean Bristol City got Kodjia last summer for a couple of million. We must have some forward options scouted that would not cost the earth but actually give us some drive and thrust going forward. We can't even play on the counter due to a lack of any pace.
Scouted? You're being optimistic there.
I know one could tell you which is the best beach for surfing in Oz and another the best place for a piss up near the uni in Huddersfield, as for football.... nope, there is still Reilly and his computer game though.
FFS
12/1 would make us around 17th favourites for relegation.
Hardly a "FFS" worthy statement
Well it is given that after a pre season defeat you have introduced what you would consider realistic relegation odds. Drama Queen comes to mind too. Like Dave said stick all you have on us at 33.
I'm quite upbeat about it.Cissokho at LB is just gash- I think I'd actually prefer Bennett.
Gollini, Steer. Goal.
Clark/Baker/Okore/Elphick Centre back.
Richards/Hutton RB.
Amavi/Aly LB
Tshibola/Gardner Centre Midfield.
Adama/Grealish/Green wide/attacking
Ayew Upfront.
We need much more quality in midfield and a Striker. I don't think we are a million miles from a decent team but it will take time.
I'm quite upbeat about it.Cissokho at LB is just gash- I think I'd actually prefer Bennett.
Gollini, Steer. Goal.
Clark/Baker/Okore/Elphick Centre back.
Richards/Hutton RB.
Amavi/Aly LB
Tshibola/Gardner Centre Midfield.
Adama/Grealish/Green wide/attacking
Ayew Upfront.
We need much more quality in midfield and a Striker. I don't think we are a million miles from a decent team but it will take time.
You do realize that we are playing in the Championship where the vast majority of teams will be worse than us right?
You do realize that we are playing in the Championship where the vast majority of teams will be worse than us right?
I think that's a pretty dangerous assumption to make.
If we'd got relegated last year in a traditional "just failed to squeak staying up" style, then maybe, but we didn't, we had a comedy relegation - 17 points. That's how godawful we were. I would be extremely wary of making too many assumptions about other teams being worse than us.
Tin hat on, but if we can get a tune out of Richards, he and Amavi could do really well for us in the Championship.
By the way Chris, I can possibly say it. It's called an opinion. You have one and so do I.
We were not so much relegated as obliterated. To compound our woe we had a civil war raging in the dressing room instigated by players filled with malice. A number of those players are still on the payroll. The third threat that makes scoffing at the Championship sides unwise is that we have no tangible proof yet that the new owner and the new management team actually have taken on board the fundamental truths that we the loyal supporters have known for five or six seasons.
You do realize that we are playing in the Championship where the vast majority of teams will be worse than us right?
I think that's a pretty dangerous assumption to make.
If we'd got relegated last year in a traditional "just failed to squeak staying up" style, then maybe, but we didn't, we had a comedy relegation - 17 points. That's how godawful we were. I would be extremely wary of making too many assumptions about other teams being worse than us.
Tin hat on, but if we can get a tune out of Richards, he and Amavi could do really well for us in the Championship.
If Richards is fit and has the right attitude, he will be the best right back by a mile, ditto Amavi
Tin hat on, but if we can get a tune out of Richards, he and Amavi could do really well for us in the Championship.
If Richards is fit and has the right attitude, he will be the best right back by a mile, ditto Amavi
i sit in the lower north and have had the misfortune of see richards 'play' at right back back. i dont think ive ever seen a player with less positional sense or awareness of what is going on around them
I think we need 3/4 players plus a few leaving and we'll be very competitive.
I think we need 3/4 players plus a few leaving and we'll be very competitive.
We simply have to replace the players who are not physically strong enough to compete in this division. Westwood and Bacuna for starters. They have not yet bottomed out and found their true level. I'm sure both Clarke and RDM see that the lack of pace and power is a problem and will hopefully address this shortly.
Sunday Times reporting we are after Abel Hernandez from Hull. Cash plus Gestede. Suggests we're trying to take advantage of their chairman trying to sell the club.
Hernandez scored 21 last season.
Would be good but cant imagine why Hernandez would swop the prem for the championship
You do realize that we are playing in the Championship where the vast majority of teams will be worse than us right?
I think that's a pretty dangerous assumption to make.
If we'd got relegated last year in a traditional "just failed to squeak staying up" style, then maybe, but we didn't, we had a comedy relegation - 17 points. That's how godawful we were. I would be extremely wary of making too many assumptions about other teams being worse than us.
Not really a dangerous assumption at all. For us not to be better than than the vast majority of sides in the Championship next season we'd need to finish lower than 8th or so by my estimation. Let's see how this turns out shall we? As disappointing as yesterday's pre season game turned out I'm not about to start discussing relegation odds, and irrespective of how last season ended.
There's so much that is different about the club and so much road in front of us to make changes and improve. Most teams by the end of the window won't have come close to what we will have spent. I'm not about to dismiss the need for those players to bed in, but playing against lower grade opposition will ensure that this happens faster.
There are clearly holes to fill, but unless we have been completely lied to I expect that the new board and manager will have addressed many of those needs by the time the window closes.
Tin hat on, but if we can get a tune out of Richards, he and Amavi could do really well for us in the Championship.
If Richards is fit and has the right attitude, he will be the best right back by a mile, ditto Amavi
Sunday Times reporting we are after Abel Hernandez from Hull. Cash plus Gestede. Suggests we're trying to take advantage of their chairman trying to sell the club.
Hernandez scored 21 last season.
Would be good but cant imagine why Hernandez would swop the prem for the championship
Agreed ! seems like we just scouting off the lists of top scorers of the championship weather true or not by media so it's just educated guess work.
Ross McCormack fulham,Abel Hernández hull, jonathan Kodjia bristol City were in top 4 scorers of league
By this theory and my research the next bids and links will be with
17 Goals getter Tomer Hemed
Brighton
Nahki Wells pace man
Huddersfield 17 Goals fame
15 Goals scored by big man
Chris Martin derby
15 Goals scored
10 Assists Fernando Forestieri Sheff Wed--- tgis is rhe one i want £10-12 million
14 Goals scored by Brentford pair
Alan Judge and lasse Vibe .
Alan judge decent and cruelly injured and broke leg but made championship team of year. Judge is small midfielder /winger who attacks at will.
I hazard a guess one or two of these above could be bought .
I conclude Judge , Hernandez and Forresteri would be lovely we could add nahki wells if Kodjia or Hernandez doesn't come and these names put forward
That is my scouting of championship ready strikers justlike football manager
Tin hat on, but if we can get a tune out of Richards, he and Amavi could do really well for us in the Championship.
If Richards is fit and has the right attitude, he will be the best right back by a mile, ditto Amavi
i sit in the lower north and have had the misfortune of seeing richards 'play' at right back at close quarters. I dont think I've ever seen a player with less positional sense or awareness of what is going on around them
Tin hat on, but if we can get a tune out of Richards, he and Amavi could do really well for us in the Championship.
If Richards is fit and has the right attitude, he will be the best right back by a mile, ditto Amavi
i sit in the lower north and have had the misfortune of see richards 'play' at right back back. i dont think ive ever seen a player with less positional sense or awareness of what is going on around them
I agree with a lot of that, but I also a big part of that is the don't give a fuck attitude he carried around with him. I think he's a better player than he showed but at the very top level of sport so much is mental. And he and many others showed little or no application last season that it seriously impacted the physical side of their game.
i completely agree, unless there is a recognition that this squad needs major surgery, then we will be in for another dissapointing season.You do realize that we are playing in the Championship where the vast majority of teams will be worse than us right?
I think that's a pretty dangerous assumption to make.
If we'd got relegated last year in a traditional "just failed to squeak staying up" style, then maybe, but we didn't, we had a comedy relegation - 17 points. That's how godawful we were. I would be extremely wary of making too many assumptions about other teams being worse than us.
Not really a dangerous assumption at all. For us not to be better than than the vast majority of sides in the Championship next season we'd need to finish lower than 8th or so by my estimation. Let's see how this turns out shall we? As disappointing as yesterday's pre season game turned out I'm not about to start discussing relegation odds, and irrespective of how last season ended.
There's so much that is different about the club and so much road in front of us to make changes and improve. Most teams by the end of the window won't have come close to what we will have spent. I'm not about to dismiss the need for those players to bed in, but playing against lower grade opposition will ensure that this happens faster.
There are clearly holes to fill, but unless we have been completely lied to I expect that the new board and manager will have addressed many of those needs by the time the window closes.
Isn't there a contradiction between saying in one breath that the "vast majority of teams will be worse than us" and then "let's just see how the season pans out"? It works both ways.
For me it is absolutely a dangerous assumption and a bit arrogant too - I would say that squad that finished the season would struggle to finish halfway up the Championship. Since then, it has hardly changed. If Gueye goes, then really, is it any stronger? Guzan replaced and an uninspiring centre half and midfielder added? Is that enough to materially change the utter laughing stock of last season?
It might be, it might not be, but assuming it is strikes me as extremely dangerous.
You say there's so much different about the club, and that's true, but there's hardly anything different about the squad. It is largely the same bunch of wasters as last season. Look at yesterday's match, pretty much every one of our weaknesses last season was still there in spades.
I would make absolutely no assumptions on how much better than the rest of the league we will be, especially not after the laughing stock we were last year.
Dr Xia is getting it right, we cannot just throw stupid money around - it doesn't guarantee anything, ask Lerner and O'Neill.
Dr Xia is getting it right, we cannot just throw stupid money around - it doesn't guarantee anything, ask Lerner and O'Neill.
True. However this dawdling isnt the way forward either.
Or Hutton/Richards at right back?
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/12040/10518090/ian-holloways-championship-table-prediction-aston-villa-could-go-down-again
The overpaying they would have done thinking they're just nailed on Premier League side means they're now in the mire.
I think that a lot of what Holloway says is true, until we get rid of the losers (which is most of them) I cannot see us challenging for a play off spot
We have to remember that when the likes of Rotherham turn up at Villa Park, it will be there cup final, unless we can match them for endeavour, and the physical side of the game we will struggle
As a Wolves fan at work tells me the Championship is no place for big time Charlie's (we have a fair few of them)
We desperately need a good start otherwise it could be that our crowd will once again turn on the players etc..., we lost a friendly on Saturday and reading some of the comments on here it would appear as though we are already starting to turn on some of them
For the Management / players of our club, the pressure is different this season, a lot of Villa fans expect us to be up towards the top of the table, it will be interesting to see if they can handle it.
I thought RDM had been explicit in his last press conference that Gana is gone?as good as gone.
If we don't see a fair few new players arrive, then Dr X will be accused of being liar, fraud, having no money on here etc...!
What I don't understand is we have had a good offer in from Celtic for Sinclair, and we turn it down, then we make ourselves look silly with the Gueye situation, if his contract buy out clause has been met, then how can we say NO?, surely we are now in breach of his contract? (might be a question for our HR people on here)
We could have got rid of 2 players, and raised some much needed funds for new players to brought in.
If we don't see a fair few new players arrive, then Dr X will be accused of being liar, fraud, having no money on here etc...!
What I don't understand is we have had a good offer in from Celtic for Sinclair, and we turn it down, then we make ourselves look silly with the Gueye situation, if his contract buy out clause has been met, then how can we say NO?, surely we are now in breach of his contract? (might be a question for our HR people on here)
We could have got rid of 2 players, and raised some much needed funds for new players to brought in.
Yeah and if it's true Burnley offered 6m for Westwood and WBA 4m for Clark again I don't understand why bids were rejected.
Can only conclude RDM sees them as key parts of the team which should make it fun on here for another year...
I don't like Hollaway but he's bang on the money with what he's said.
We are in big trouble no matter what spin the Dr put's on it, the reality will soon bite.
I'm still angry about last season and I'm dreading this season with most of the tosser still stealing a living off the club!
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/12040/10518090/ian-holloways-championship-table-prediction-aston-villa-could-go-down-again
I'd love to know who the bigger sides were that have gone down twice in a row. He's probably counting Bristol Rovers, the daft carrot-chomper. (No offence Redsox! 😉)
I'd love to know who the bigger sides were that have gone down twice in a row. He's probably counting Bristol Rovers, the daft carrot-chomper. (No offence Redsox! 😉)
Can only assume given the success and way club is viewed now he views Man. City as one who went down from prem in mid 90s and then were relegated again two years later.
Leeds did the same two years ago.
Neither club have our history but both are better attendance wise, Man. City were averaging 30k in league one in the late 90s and Leeds get 20k + most weeks which is probably what we'll start with for the first couple of months.
I'd love to know who the bigger sides were that have gone down twice in a row. He's probably counting Bristol Rovers, the daft carrot-chomper. (No offence Redsox! 😉)
Can only assume given the success and way club is viewed now he views Man. City as one who went down from prem in mid 90s and then were relegated again two years later.
Leeds did the same two years ago.
Neither club have our history but both are better attendance wise, Man. City were averaging 30k in league one in the late 90s and Leeds get 20k + most weeks which is probably what we'll start with for the first couple of months.
personally, I'd keep Clarke- I think he'll be fine in the championship, but if reports are to be believed that we've had substantial bids for Westwood and Sinclair and knocked them back, then I really can't understand the thinking behind it. Selling that pair for the best part of 10 mil would free up funds and wages to bring in a decent player.If we don't see a fair few new players arrive, then Dr X will be accused of being liar, fraud, having no money on here etc...!
What I don't understand is we have had a good offer in from Celtic for Sinclair, and we turn it down, then we make ourselves look silly with the Gueye situation, if his contract buy out clause has been met, then how can we say NO?, surely we are now in breach of his contract? (might be a question for our HR people on here)
We could have got rid of 2 players, and raised some much needed funds for new players to brought in.
Yeah and if it's true Burnley offered 6m for Westwood and WBA 4m for Clark again I don't understand why bids were rejected.
Can only conclude RDM sees them as key parts of the team which should make it fun on here for another year...
I'd love to know who the bigger sides were that have gone down twice in a row. He's probably counting Bristol Rovers, the daft carrot-chomper. (No offence Redsox! 😉)
Can only assume given the success and way club is viewed now he views Man. City as one who went down from prem in mid 90s and then were relegated again two years later.
Leeds did the same two years ago.
Neither club have our history but both are better attendance wise, Man. City were averaging 30k in league one in the late 90s and Leeds get 20k + most weeks which is probably what we'll start with for the first couple of months.
Man City were certainly not bigger than Villa in the late 90's. We were constantly challenging for top 6 whilst Man City generally struggled. I don't mind Man City, they're getting gradually more and more repulsive now but it's fair to say they hadn't been challengers since the 70's and weren't on the same level as the Villa.
I'd love to know who the bigger sides were that have gone down twice in a row. He's probably counting Bristol Rovers, the daft carrot-chomper. (No offence Redsox! 😉)
Can only assume given the success and way club is viewed now he views Man. City as one who went down from prem in mid 90s and then were relegated again two years later.
Leeds did the same two years ago.
Neither club have our history but both are better attendance wise, Man. City were averaging 30k in league one in the late 90s and Leeds get 20k + most weeks which is probably what we'll start with for the first couple of months.
Or maybe he's just talking ill-informed bollocks to get a response.
I'd love to know who the bigger sides were that have gone down twice in a row. He's probably counting Bristol Rovers, the daft carrot-chomper. (No offence Redsox! 😉)
Can only assume given the success and way club is viewed now he views Man. City as one who went down from prem in mid 90s and then were relegated again two years later.
Leeds did the same two years ago.
Neither club have our history but both are better attendance wise, Man. City were averaging 30k in league one in the late 90s and Leeds get 20k + most weeks which is probably what we'll start with for the first couple of months.
Man City were certainly not bigger than Villa in the late 90's. We were constantly challenging for top 6 whilst Man City generally struggled. I don't mind Man City, they're getting gradually more and more repulsive now but it's fair to say they hadn't been challengers since the 70's and weren't on the same level as the Villa.
Yes I know but he's viewing Man. City through the prism of their status now here and worldwide.
Like Holloway or not but he has two promotions and a relegation from this league so he knows what state you need to be in to do well or not.
Newcastle are going to walk this league, we will be nowhere near them. They've now bid £4.5m for Mo Diame, would add steel and power to our midfield.
Diame is good on his day, but goes missing a lot.
Newcastle have a better squad and a better manager, we won't be challenging them this season. Whose going to score the goals? Who's going to create the chances? Who's going to win the battles in midfield? Where are the voices? Where are the leaders?
I'm starting to get a bit worried but I'm not at full-on panic stage at the moment. We'll have played 5 league games if we wait until the transfer deadline to get new players in. And until then, RDM would have to be a really good manager to get a bounce out of some of the dead cats we still have in the squad. Tony did say £50m, is that right?No.He said between 20 and 50mil.
I'm starting to get a bit worried but I'm not at full-on panic stage at the moment. We'll have played 5 league games if we wait until the transfer deadline to get new players in. And until then, RDM would have to be a really good manager to get a bounce out of some of the dead cats we still have in the squad. Tony did say £50m, is that right?No.He said between 20 and 50mil.
I'm starting to get a bit worried but I'm not at full-on panic stage at the moment. We'll have played 5 league games if we wait until the transfer deadline to get new players in. And until then, RDM would have to be a really good manager to get a bounce out of some of the dead cats we still have in the squad. Tony did say £50m, is that right?No.He said between 20 and 50mil.
and even then only what the manager asks for.
I'm starting to get a bit worried but I'm not at full-on panic stage at the moment. We'll have played 5 league games if we wait until the transfer deadline to get new players in. And until then, RDM would have to be a really good manager to get a bounce out of some of the dead cats we still have in the squad. Tony did say £50m, is that right?No.He said between 20 and 50mil.
and even then only what the manager asks for.
Apart from Wenger, I can't think of a manager who has asked for less money than has been set aside for new players.
The time to answer that question will be 31st August.Be interesting to see what standard of player arrives at the club by that date. Don't expect any well regarded talent RDM will certainly earn his corn in this window!
Lewis Kinsella has gone - apologies if posted elsewhere, been a long day and haven't the energy to trawl too far!
A failed player, failed manager and now f***ed pundit. Don't bother reading at all!
That is a tweet he definitely shouldn't have done in my opinion. As much as I think Holloway is a tool,, our owner should not be saying things like that.
That is a tweet e definitely shouldn't have done in my opinion. As much as I think Holloway is a tool,, our owner should not be saying things like that.This is the owner of our football club.His wife needs to tell him to get off twitter with immediate effect!
I've just arrived at this thread on page 56 and I realise that now we're up to page 274. Can someone summarise the previous 218 pages please?
basically, we have got a new owner, manager, coaches, board three new players and we are shit. Still.
where have Lescott, Richards and Gabby gone? I think Gabby may be injured maybe?
And add to the missing listWhat's wrong with Toner?
Traore, Kozak , Lyden , Toner, Russian, Bunn, Veretout
And add to the missing listWhat's wrong with Toner?
Traore, Kozak , Lyden , Toner, Russian, Bunn, Veretout
And add to the missing listWhat's wrong with Toner?
Traore, Kozak , Lyden , Toner, Russian, Bunn, Veretout
IncogAVFC saying we have got Ross McCormack
IncogAVFC saying we have got Ross McCormack
Expect to see him in a Norwich shirt shortly then
IncogAVFC saying we have got Ross McCormack
Expect to see him in a Norwich shirt shortly then
Is he that bad, I thought he was one of the better twiiteres
Another day gone, and no signings. Dr Xia seems more pre-occupied with Twitter!
IncogAVFC saying we have got Ross McCormack
Expect to see him in a Norwich shirt shortly then
Is he that bad, I thought he was one of the better twiiteres
He gets the odd thing but would say it's firmly 90/10 bollocks v reality. On this occasion I do hope his comment falls into the 10%
Another day gone, and no signings. Dr Xia seems more pre-occupied with Twitter!
No signings? What, no signings at all?
Another day gone, and no signings. Dr Xia seems more pre-occupied with Twitter!
No signings? What, no signings at all?
Another day gone, and no signings. Dr Xia seems more pre-occupied with Twitter!
No signings? What, no signings at all?Another day gone, and no signings. Dr Xia seems more pre-occupied with Twitter!
No signings? What, no signings at all?
How clever. We'll see who's proved right.
Another day gone, and no signings. Dr Xia seems more pre-occupied with Twitter!
He's gone with a joke tweet from a Norwich fan and used it as fact. Sadly, because we need a striker who scores goals, it won't be true. This takeover head been pretty underwhelming in terms of actually building the squad up. We are a week from the first game and have signed 2 kids and a good captain. Worrying times.
Another day gone, and no signings. Dr Xia seems more pre-occupied with Twitter!
Yep I'm sure the one minute it took to post that really damaged our plans.
That is a tweet he definitely shouldn't have done in my opinion. As much as I think Holloway is a tool,, our owner should not be saying things like that.
Yep, it's the sort of thing I'd expect Sullivan, Gold or some other thin-skinned owner to come out with. What was it Krulak said about pigs in mud?
Don't want McCormack.
There's better out there, Kodja and Bamford for a start.
Newcastle have met Clark's release clause in his contract
Weird as RDM said two days ago that no player has one except Gana?
Newcastle have met Clark's release clause in his contract
Weird as RDM said two days ago that no player has one except Gana?
Newcastle have met Clark's release clause in his contract
Weird as RDM said two days ago that no player has one except Gana?
Don't worry, we'll still have Westwood, Bacuna and Gestede come 1st September.
Newcastle have met Clark's release clause
Newcastle have met Clark's release clause
Another reason for them to hate us.
Newcastle have met Clark's release clause
Another reason for them to hate us.
Snigger
Sorry where's this being reported?
Newcastle have met Clark's release clause
Another reason for them to hate us.
Snigger
Ha ha. They've released Taylor haven't they? They must have a space for an enthusiastic but ultimately useless centre half
Sorry where's this being reported?
A couple of different NE based journos on Twitter. Looks reasonably kosher.
Newcastle have met Clark's release clause
Another reason for them to hate us.
Snigger
Ha ha. They've released Taylor haven't they? They must have a space for an enthusiastic but ultimately useless centre half
To be honest I'd rather send Baker.
Newcastle have met Clark's release clause in his contract
Weird as RDM said two days ago that no player has one except Gana?
Newcastle have met Clark's release clause
Another reason for them to hate us.
Snigger
Ha ha. They've released Taylor haven't they? They must have a space for an enthusiastic but ultimately useless centre half
To be honest I'd rather send Baker.
I thought Baker was the more solid looking of the 2 when they were coming though and will certainly be ok in the Championship.
£5 million apparentlyNewcastle have met Clark's release clause in his contract
Weird as RDM said two days ago that no player has one except Gana?
Clark had a release clause!!!
Why the big clamour for Bamford, I don't get it...no goals in two loan spells last season.
If Clark is going we need a centre back, right back, creative midfielder and a striker. I don't fancy relying on Okore, Baker and Elphick.
Newcastle have met Clark's release clause in his contract
Weird as RDM said two days ago that no player has one except Gana?
Clark had a release clause!!!
So, Clark, gueye, and Sinclair all probably on their way out in the next few days.
I don't really care, but these would not be at the top of my list to get rid of.
We are still left with arses like Richards, Lescott, Agbonlahor and Bacuna.
It's only when we get rid of these tossers will we really start to move forward.
Why the big clamour for Bamford, I don't get it...no goals in two loan spells last season.
40 goals at championship level I think in two loan spells.
So, Clark, gueye, and Sinclair all probably on their way out in the next few days.
I don't really care, but these would not be at the top of my list to get rid of.
We are still left with arses like Richards, Lescott, Agbonlahor and Bacuna.
It's only when we get rid of these tossers will we really start to move forward.
If Clark is going we need a centre back, right back, creative midfielder and a striker. I don't fancy relying on Okore, Baker and Elphick.
What about Toner? He looked promising towards the end of the season. Has he succumbed to the Villa injury curse or gone on loan and I've not noticed?
I don't mind Clark, I can't help but feel he's one that hasn't developed as well as he should have because of our seemingly shite coaching over the last 5 years or so. That said I won't be overly fussed if he goes, apart from being a bit disappointed/sad an academy leaves after 15 years at the club.
Not bothered by him leaving at all. I just can't justify keeping a central defender that hasn't improved in years and consistently makes costly mistakes at the most inopportune times. I feel like the standard picture for an Aston Villa article is either he or baker with their face in their hands, slumped over.
He was one of the few constants in these last five years of misery. I think he might do okay at Newcastle, but I know he will never get any better here. He's a hollow leader.
Hopefully we can get rid of a few other duds.
I'm more concerned about us bringing in quality players, than the ones that are leaving.
Newcastle are spending big, yet despite the so far empty promises from our new owner, we haven't done much.
We've heard the twittering and the talk, time to walk the walk......
If we get off to a bad start, the fans won't hold back letting our new owner, board and management team know their not happy.
Put up or shut up!
Sorry where's this being reported?
A couple of different NE based journos on Twitter. Looks reasonably kosher.
Good, I'm genuinely getting excited about the prospect of moving the imbecile on. And for £5m. And to Newcastle. I haven't felt this good about a departure since we infested the Albion squad with Ridgewell.
A barcode mate just asked if he's good. I genuinely struggled to answer that.
Not bothered by him leaving at all. I just can't justify keeping a central defender that hasn't improved in years and consistently makes costly mistakes at the most inopportune times. I feel like the standard picture for an Aston Villa article is either he or baker with their face in their hands, slumped over.
He was one of the few constants in these last five years of misery. I think he might do okay at Newcastle, but I know he will never get any better here. He's a hollow leader.
Hopefully we can get rid of a few other duds.
Clark is gash but we need to start focusing on the incomings pretty fucking quick.
Clark is gash but we need to start focusing on the incomings pretty fucking quick.
Exactly. And there need to be a few!
Keep saying it but looking at the players that do really well in this league, you need pace, and we are slower than half dead fucking donkey. Short of Grealsh there is no creativity and there are no goals in the midfield.
Drop the dead donkey
Sorry where's this being reported?
A couple of different NE based journos on Twitter. Looks reasonably kosher.
Good, I'm genuinely getting excited about the prospect of moving the imbecile on. And for £5m. And to Newcastle. I haven't felt this good about a departure since we infested the Albion squad with Ridgewell.
We sold Ridgewell to SHA, where he played for 4 years before being sold to the Stripeyfilth.
I couldn't care less about a single one of them leaving, but we need to sign players and sharpish. We are likely to start with 8 of the jokers that got us relegated.
I couldn't care less about a single one of them leaving, but we need to sign players and sharpish. We are likely to start with 8 of the jokers that got us relegated.
I couldn't care less about a single one of them leaving, but we need to sign players and sharpish. We are likely to start with 8 of the jokers that got us relegated.
This is it.
Here we are, a few days from the start of the season, and we're looking at starting with dross of the type of Westwood, Bacuna, Cissokho, and our goalscoring options are Ayew, Gestede, Kozak and Fat Gabby.
I don't think there were many of us at the end of last season who'd have wanted to see that happen.
We should bid more than Newcastle and get in a bidding war for Diame.
I couldn't care less about a single one of them leaving, but we need to sign players and sharpish. We are likely to start with 8 of the jokers that got us relegated.
This is it.
Here we are, a few days from the start of the season, and we're looking at starting with dross of the type of Westwood, Bacuna, Cissokho, and our goalscoring options are Ayew, Gestede, Kozak and Fat Gabby.
I don't think there were many of us at the end of last season who'd have wanted to see that happen.
The forward options are really poor. We need 2 strikers and to let one of Gestede or Kozak go. Gabby I just think is a joke and RDM will marginalise him from the squad over time.
We should play Bennett over Cissokho, he offers nothing going forward and is not defensively good enough to justify keeping.
Westwood needs to go but then we need at least AN other holding midfielder.
We need to get bloody buying.
Also Clark may have at times struggled against top quality strikers in the premier league -who wouldn't ! He's now down a league and he would be fine at championship level as there are few world class strikers hes up against . Also have to point out that he has played against many top top strikers and also international level his expereince is very useful and will be retained if seemed correct on what rdm said. Newcastle see his worth and are trying to unsettle rivals really a bid should be put in for a few of there playwrs! The nerve of them!
I couldn't care less about a single one of them leaving, but we need to sign players and sharpish. We are likely to start with 8 of the jokers that got us relegated.
aye, but SGT had the same and we got back up. The key is the right players being bought and intigrating into the existing players and i'm not sure we've had much of that yet
We should bid more than Newcastle and get in a bidding war for Diame.
Clark a defender who made victor Anichabie look like an inform Benteke , he is almost 27 but still headlessHe is Steven Taylor mk2.
chicken in general .
£5mil is ok money can we get someone in for similar amount though ..
I couldn't care less about a single one of them leaving, but we need to sign players and sharpish. We are likely to start with 8 of the jokers that got us relegated.
This is it.
Here we are, a few days from the start of the season, and we're looking at starting with dross of the type of Westwood, Bacuna, Cissokho, and our goalscoring options are Ayew, Gestede, Kozak and Fat Gabby.
I don't think there were many of us at the end of last season who'd have wanted to see that happen.
Clark's not really that good at any aspect of defending.OK but other than that he is ok.😄
I guess I am alone in wanting Clark to stay then. I'd play him as a holding midfielder, alongside Tshibola. He had a good run in midfield when he first broke in to the side, scored some good goals (Arsenal at home springs to mind). He's never pissed and moaned in the press and certainly shouldn't be out the door before defenders like Lescott and Richards.
it's precisely that strategy that worries me . No PL player worth his salt is going to actively want to join us after last season's horror show, and the preceeding four seasons of struggle. FFS if Bristol City can unearth a 20 goals a season player who has no association with the english leagues why can't we? I thought one of the USP's of RDM's appointment was his extensive network of contacts and influence.There is no evidence of that at the moment.
The worry is we just don't have enough goals in us. I reckon with the starting 11 last week 45 ish is optimistic. We need 2 or 3 forward options asap. Agree on the Kodjia comment. RDM you would think would have someone up his sleeve or indeed Clarke would. Newcastle buying Ritchie was a masterstroke. Loads of goals and assists in the Championship. Known quality. No one in our side gives that confidence.
I don't think we should conflate lack of happening with a lack of urgency from Villa. I am pretty sure RDM and Dr Xia will be as anxious as the rest of us to get the transfers done, but ultimately are being hampered by the clubs we are trying to buy off. I would far rather we get choice no.1 in two weeks time, than choice no. 3 two weeks ago. I have much more confidence this season than if we were in the position with Lerner in charge.
Couple of people at work mentioned Amavi going to Liverpool today, as they'd met his release clause. I've seen nothing on this. Has anybody else and does anyone know what it is- the value of his release clause?According to RDM there isn't one. He said only Gana had one.
Couple of people at work mentioned Amavi going to Liverpool today, as they'd met his release clause. I've seen nothing on this. Has anybody else and does anyone know what it is- the value of his release clause?According to RDM there isn't one. He said only Gana had one.
Clark obviously has one.
£4.5m for Mo Diame? I'd definitely have a piece of that pieYes I was reading an article in the I paper this morning about Newcastle's business, very impressive actually and done at a pretty good net price, as they had a few they could get good money for. Makes the Clark thing more bewildering as to why they would want to sully that good work!!
it's precisely that strategy that worries me . No PL player worth his salt is going to actively want to join us after last season's horror show, and the preceeding four seasons of struggle. FFS if Bristol City can unearth a 20 goals a season player who has no association with the english leagues why can't we? I thought one of the USP's of RDM's appointment was his extensive network of contacts and influence.There is no evidence of that at the moment.
I am comfortable that I am being realistic thanks.
I don't believe we're shopping in the same market as Chelsea or Man City.
More from Pat...
Appears @AVFCOfficial have revived interest in Ross McCormack & Patrick Bamford after drawing blanks elsewhere.Purely exploratory thus far.
I think they'd score goals, but they're not as mobile as I would like.
Having medical today according to Pat Murphy
Ciaran Clark having medical today with Newcastle after £5.1m break-clause activated. ***Understand @AVFCOfficial wanted him to stay.***
Having medical today according to Pat MurphyCan't understand why he'd have a clause. He may prosper there, but it really is best for all concerned that we part ways now, I suspect he'll never get any better here.
Ciaran Clark having medical today with Newcastle after £5.1m break-clause activated. Understand @AVFCOfficial wanted him to stay.
Best part of Clark going is the end of seeing his name misspelled
Would suggest Lescott will stay.Hip Hip......
Would suggest Lescott will stay.Hip Hip......
Having medical today according to Pat Murphy
Ciaran Clark having medical today with Newcastle after £5.1m break-clause activated. ***Understand @AVFCOfficial wanted him to stay.***
This is the bit that worries me, what did they see?
Its CLARKSON - how many times TVBest part of Clark going is the end of seeing his name misspelled
We've still got Steve Clark
Of course Okore staying would be a plus for us, but not sure I want him to after his attitude last season. I
Would suggest Lescott will stay.Hip Hip......
Replacement?
Of course Okore staying would be a plus for us, but not sure I want him to after his attitude last season. I
...wish I could finish my sentences.
EDIT: oh, you did. Sorry.
Having medical today according to Pat Murphy
Ciaran Clark having medical today with Newcastle after £5.1m break-clause activated. ***Understand @AVFCOfficial wanted him to stay.***
This is the bit that worries me, what did they see?
the rest of our defence ?
Having medical today according to Pat MurphyCan't understand why he'd have a clause. He may prosper there, but it really is best for all concerned that we part ways now, I suspect he'll never get any better here.
Ciaran Clark having medical today with Newcastle after £5.1m break-clause activated. Understand @AVFCOfficial wanted him to stay.
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He wouldn't get any better for us - that much is certain. There is/was a player in there somewhere he needs a break as much as we do
I think Bamford will be shipped out permanently by Chelsea this time, just can't see him ever being good enough for them.
Ciaran Clark having medical today with Newcastle after £5.1m break-clause activated. Understand @AVFCOfficial wanted him to stay.It seems as though we need to trim the squad in order to bring people in - not necessarily through financial necessity (although this is realistically the case), but certainly from a sustainable squad building perspective. As long as we hold on to Amavi, Grealish and Ayew, I don't really care who goes. After them I'd like to see Okore, Gana, Veretout and Traore stay, but wouldn't be too bothered either way.
We are on a hiding to nothing if we don't ship Lescott, Gabby, Bacuna and Richards. If it was up to me, I would pay up their contracts and give them road. The rebuilding can't start until the demolishing has been completed.
Pat Murphy seemed to suggest the Barcodes threw silly money at Clark - no big loss in my view.
Clark will do well at Newcastle, think the change will do him good. Benitez does well with his centre-backs.
My abiding memory of Clark is him making that rubbish uncontestedd turn against Manchester City which led directly to their winner. He's certainly a player I have no worries about seeing the back of.
Bloke I work with reckons Lambert from the stripy filth signing for us today/tomorrow. Says he knows someone who works at the club. Might be b******s. Certainly hope it isThis is one move I can see happening
Hopefully we'll get Newcastle to buy Ciaran Clarke too. That would be lovely.
we might as well recruit Grant Holt than Lambert and pay him in buns. Utterly ludicrous move if it comes off.
I don't know if it's just my perception, but it does seem that we have far more players with triggerable release clauses than anyone else. I wonder if it was a strategy of Tom Fox's to get a lot of our fairly mediocre squad to sign-up on extended deals and get some money for them rather than being lost for nothing on a Bosman. Perhaps it is an indication of what sort of proposition a club that has flirted with relegation for several seasons represents. It's probably easy to say with hindsight, but I don't understand some of the decisions made. For example, I don't know why Gana would have a fairly low release clause, and why Bacuna would be signed-up on a five-year contract extension last year.
We are on a hiding to nothing if we don't ship Lescott, Gabby, Bacuna and Richards. If it was up to me, I would pay up their contracts and give them road. The rebuilding can't start until the demolishing has been completed.
Seriously? just work out in your head how much that would cost us. It's not Monopoly money - it's real!
McCormack definitely scores goals, tho I think a fair few are from set pieces (not a bad thing)If that £12 million scores you goals to get back in the Premier League then it's a snip.
He's mostly been playing behind the main striker - which is where ayew and grealish want to as well. Maybe you play him and ayew and they alternate?
£12m for a 29 year old is pretty alarming. But if it gets us up . .
Bloke I work with reckons Lambert from the stripy filth signing for us today/tomorrow. Says he knows someone who works at the club. Might be b******s. Certainly hope it is
Jedinak made available by Palace. Would be a good signing at this level and add a bit of grit to our midfield.
Jedinak made available by Palace. Would be a good signing at this level and add a bit of grit to our midfield.
Clark never looks comfortable. He's utter garbage. I'd get rid of Baker(crap), Okore(a gobshite), Richards(a c***), Lescott(a cock), Cissohko(abysmal) and Hutton(woeful).sums up how I feel about them as well.
Leaving us with Tommy, Amavi, Bennett, Toner....can't think who else. It's not going to happen, but I wish we had some good defenders coming in.
In general, I wish I felt more positive about the squad. I can't say I would particularly pay to watch any of them. I think we'll get a rude awakening against Wednesday. And I wish Tony would quit Twitter. As for Westwood, Agbonlahor and Bacuna-its all honesty, I find it very hard to support any of them. I wish they'd go, so I can get back to feeling supportive of the club. Until these degenerates fuck off, I can't raise any sort of enthusiasm higher than a 'oh, I hope they win today'. These fuckers have doused my enthusiasm with petrol and set it alight.
But I still live in hope that Di Matteo is the man to sort us out.
Bloke I work with reckons Lambert from the stripy filth signing for us today/tomorrow. Says he knows someone who works at the club. Might be b******s. Certainly hope it is
Hopefully utter bullshit because Lambert is finished, we'd have our pants pulled down by the baggies again if we sign another old knacker from them and give them cash for it.
This gentleman seemed to pip a lot of our thoughts and regurgitate them into his Newcastle article, without any sort of citation or credit.
http://www.themag.co.uk/2016/08/interesting-reaction-aston-villa-fans-newcastle-bid-cieran-clark-newcastle-united/
This gentleman seemed to pip a lot of our thoughts and regurgitate them into his Newcastle article, without any sort of citation or credit.
http://www.themag.co.uk/2016/08/interesting-reaction-aston-villa-fans-newcastle-bid-cieran-clark-newcastle-united/
Apart from him saying it's comments from VT?
Clark's not really that good at any aspect of defending.
He's not very quick, I don't think he reads the game well which is evident in the amount of time he lungs in and gets yellow cards, as we've seen against poor forwards like Anchiebe he can get outmuscled easily and he's average in the air. His passing has regressed a lot through the seasons aswell.
For me it's a good price and it's always important to balance the books if you're doing well or not as that keeps things ticking over.
Elphick will be an automatic starter and then it will be Baker/Okore depending on form/fitness. Going to be difficult to shift Richards and Lescott so one of those will still be in the mix I reckon. You can always loan in a CB aswell.
McCormack definitely scores goals, tho I think a fair few are from set pieces (not a bad thing)If that £12 million scores you goals to get back in the Premier League then it's a snip.
He's mostly been playing behind the main striker - which is where ayew and grealish want to as well. Maybe you play him and ayew and they alternate?
£12m for a 29 year old is pretty alarming. But if it gets us up . .
I couldn't care less what anyone costs, it isn't my money and I'm not the Villa accountant. Buy him, score goals, win games, get promoted....done!
McCormack definitely scores goals, tho I think a fair few are from set pieces (not a bad thing)If that £12 million scores you goals to get back in the Premier League then it's a snip.
He's mostly been playing behind the main striker - which is where ayew and grealish want to as well. Maybe you play him and ayew and they alternate?
£12m for a 29 year old is pretty alarming. But if it gets us up . .
I couldn't care less what anyone costs, it isn't my money and I'm not the Villa accountant. Buy him, score goals, win games, get promoted....done!
Isn't that what people said under Lerner in the first few years when we were running £40m pa deficits? Look where that got us
It's a tough one, if someone like McCormack scores the goals that takes us up then he will be a bargain. The problem is if you sign someone like him and don't go up. £15m for a second division side to pay for a bloke that is 30 in a couple of weeks could backfire. Especially as i'd imagine you'd be looking at a 4 year contract.I think being a 30 year old footballer these days is being something like a 28 year old about 15 years ago.
We are on a hiding to nothing if we don't ship Lescott, Gabby, Bacuna and Richards. If it was up to me, I would pay up their contracts and give them road. The rebuilding can't start until the demolishing has been completed.
Seriously? just work out in your head how much that would cost us. It's not Monopoly money - it's real!
I have no idea how much that would cost. But, we have already paid a huge price in that we are missing the most lucrative season in Premier league history due to their performances. They are rotten, and if they remain around the club, they will cost us again. As someone has pointed out on the match thread, our current playing squad is much the same as last season, so we shouldn't expect anything different this season. Each time a different manager came in last season, each thought they could fix the problem players. Each failed. Let's stop fucking about and get rid, before it costs us again.
While players are generally in better shape these days, unless your name is Gabby, there's still plenty whose legs go or have a noticeable decline in ability around that age. Lescott, Cole, Richardson are examples we know all too well.Sure, I think it's a little different when you're playing up top. I think all your running comes in tiny bursts in a small area of the pitch whilst the 3 you mentioned probably have more to do in the areas they played, especially for us being on the back foot in almost every game.
While players are generally in better shape these days, unless your name is Gabby, there's still plenty whose legs go or have a noticeable decline in ability around that age. Lescott, Cole, Richardson are examples we know all too well.Sure, I think it's a little different when you're playing up top. I think all your running comes in tiny bursts in a small area of the pitch whilst the 3 you mentioned probably have more to do in the areas they played, especially for us being on the back foot in almost every game.
True but 2 of them were your so called big target men who were more battering rams. I suppose for everyone of them you have a Defoe at 33 still knocking them in.While players are generally in better shape these days, unless your name is Gabby, there's still plenty whose legs go or have a noticeable decline in ability around that age. Lescott, Cole, Richardson are examples we know all too well.Sure, I think it's a little different when you're playing up top. I think all your running comes in tiny bursts in a small area of the pitch whilst the 3 you mentioned probably have more to do in the areas they played, especially for us being on the back foot in almost every game.
Carew was pretty much done at 31. Maybe even Bent, okay an injury contributed but after a 3 month injury he was done for. Heskey got slower and slower pretty quickly once he was in his early 30s.
We are on a hiding to nothing if we don't ship Lescott, Gabby, Bacuna and Richards. If it was up to me, I would pay up their contracts and give them road. The rebuilding can't start until the demolishing has been completed.
Seriously? just work out in your head how much that would cost us. It's not Monopoly money - it's real!
I have no idea how much that would cost. But, we have already paid a huge price in that we are missing the most lucrative season in Premier league history due to their performances. They are rotten, and if they remain around the club, they will cost us again. As someone has pointed out on the match thread, our current playing squad is much the same as last season, so we shouldn't expect anything different this season. Each time a different manager came in last season, each thought they could fix the problem players. Each failed. Let's stop fucking about and get rid, before it costs us again.
Somewhere between 15m and 20m which we don't have
Defoe looks in incredibly good shape. He runs faster in his goal celebrations than anyone we have up front does during games!Yeah I don't think you can pigeon hole players at 30 anymore, well some of them. Vardy is 30 in 4-5 months time and he's just had the best season of his life and I'm sure if he doesn't score as many this season he will still get plenty.
McCormack definitely scores goals, tho I think a fair few are from set pieces (not a bad thing)
He's mostly been playing behind the main striker - which is where ayew and grealish want to as well. Maybe you play him and ayew and they alternate?
£12m for a 29 year old is pretty alarming. But if it gets us up . .j
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he is 30 in a couple of weeks
If I'm honest it's the "but if it gets us up" bit that I disagree with. I don't mind us paying big money for a signing with no sell on if it means we go straight back up. My real concern is that McCormack has been deified by some who were all calling for us to sign Gestede last season after he scored a few. I don't see the same limitations in RM but I do see an alarming number of them and think we're looking at paying 2-3x what he's actually worth and he won't be enough to make any signficant difference to us. I'm very worried that if this goes ahead we're making almost exactly the same mistake that Fulham did when they went down and it's largely a repeat of our striker signing last summer.But you can see at Blackburn that Gestede was a one trick pony, even a one hit wonder, whilst McCormack does have a lot more going on in his game and has consistently scored at this level.
Agree with that, Paul_e. I also question whether we have the finances to drop him should we get promoted but that's another story.
McCormack, Jedinak, Morrison and Kodija would make such a difference to us...not world beaters but that's the aisle we are shopping in now.
Yes Ravel...hugely talented if he can sort himself out...McCormack, Jedinak, Morrison and Kodija would make such a difference to us...not world beaters but that's the aisle we are shopping in now.
Ravel Morrison?
If so I'd take the last 3, Jedinak is cheap and experienced and the other 2 are talented and young enough to get better.
If I tohught we were going to get rid of Gestede, Gabby and Kozak I'd take RM to repalce 1 of them along with 2 more athletic options to give us some pace and a focal point, RM is just another striker who isn't very good at finding space in the box and doesn't hold the ball up very well. Yes he can take a decent free kick and he's good at the edge of the box but he's really not the player we need right now, Kodija is a far better option.
Wasn't there something written about McCormack from Fulham fans complaining about his professionalism? £12m is a hell of a lot for a 30 year old.
I realise the season hasn't started yet but losing Gueye and Clark weakens a significantly shite effort from last season. I confess I know nothing about Elphick, but we are taking a punt on a young player having played a handful of games for Reading to shore up what has been a dreadful midfield for a while now.
Wasn't there something written about McCormack from Fulham fans complaining about his professionalism? £12m is a hell of a lot for a 30 year old.
I realise the season hasn't started yet but losing Gueye and Clark weakens a significantly shite effort from last season. I confess I know nothing about Elphick, but we are taking a punt on a young player having played a handful of games for Reading to shore up what has been a dreadful midfield for a while now.
Yep I remember some reference to him turning up fat after pre-season.
Defoe looks in incredibly good shape. He runs faster in his goal celebrations than anyone we have up front does during games!Yeah I don't think you can pigeon hole players at 30 anymore, well some of them. Vardy is 30 in 4-5 months time and he's just had the best season of his life and I'm sure if he doesn't score as many this season he will still get plenty.
If I'm honest it's the "but if it gets us up" bit that I disagree with. I don't mind us paying big money for a signing with no sell on if it means we go straight back up. My real concern is that McCormack has been deified by some who were all calling for us to sign Gestede last season after he scored a few. I don't see the same limitations in RM but I do see an alarming number of them and think we're looking at paying 2-3x what he's actually worth and he won't be enough to make any signficant difference to us. I'm very worried that if this goes ahead we're making almost exactly the same mistake that Fulham did when they went down and it's largely a repeat of our striker signing last summer.But you can see at Blackburn that Gestede was a one trick pony, even a one hit wonder, whilst McCormack does have a lot more going on in his game and has consistently scored at this level.
Personally I don't understand the fans consistent worry on how much is too much on a footballers value. It's not coming out of my wage nor part of my pension fund. If the money is there to be spent then spend it otherwise nothing will ever happen and it will only be the start of a new topic come the end of the season to why we didn't buy McCormack and newly promoted Norwich did.
Wasn't there something written about McCormack from Fulham fans complaining about his professionalism? £12m is a hell of a lot for a 30 year old.
I realise the season hasn't started yet but losing Gueye and Clark weakens a significantly shite effort from last season. I confess I know nothing about Elphick, but we are taking a punt on a young player having played a handful of games for Reading to shore up what has been a dreadful midfield for a while now.
Yep I remember some reference to him turning up fat after pre-season.
There is an assumption that Newcastle are a temporary fixture in this league. It's clear we don't benefit from that the same assumption and that must translate into the minds of prospective players.who would want to join this squad? I think the biggest problem is that we still have most of the players that did massive damage to our status and reputation.
There is an assumption that Newcastle are a temporary fixture in this league. It's clear we don't benefit from that the same assumption and that must translate into the minds of prospective players.
We keep telling ourselves we are a big club. Well we need to start acting like one. No sign of that this window yet. Here's hoping that changes soon.
If there is one thing I'll never understand with some Villa fans it's the fact they go on about transfer fees it's like it's their money. If it's £12m, £15m whatever, pay the dough and get RM in. He is a proven championship centre forward and if that's the cost then it's a drop in the ocean if he scores the goals that achieve promotion. Why is it some people bang on and on about the fee like it's coming from their account? They moan when we don't spent money and moan when we show a bit of intent
Yes, you have to pay the money for the right quality, end of.
I couldn't give a toss about the last 6 years mate. We should be looking forwards, not backwards.
If there is one thing I'll never understand with some Villa fans it's the fact they go on about transfer fees it's like it's their money. If it's £12m, £15m whatever, pay the dough and get RM in. He is a proven championship centre forward and if that's the cost then it's a drop in the ocean if he scores the goals that achieve promotion. Why is it some people bang on and on about the fee like it's coming from their account? They moan when we don't spent money and moan when we show a bit of intent
If there is one thing I'll never understand with some Villa fans it's the fact they go on about transfer fees it's like it's their money. If it's £12m, £15m whatever, pay the dough and get RM in. He is a proven championship centre forward and if that's the cost then it's a drop in the ocean if he scores the goals that achieve promotion. Why is it some people bang on and on about the fee like it's coming from their account? They moan when we don't spent money and moan when we show a bit of intent
"If" he scores the goals that achieve promotion is the key bit.
I could counter what you say with why do people bang on and on about spending massive amounts of money for a second division club and not caring if it's a good investment are often the same ones moaning how shit we were run under the previous owner which all stemmed from spending money without caring if it was being spent wisely.
I couldn't give a toss about the last 6 years mate. We should be looking forwards, not backwards.
Apart from we're not part of that new TV contract. So £12m really is something to us.
If there is one thing I'll never understand with some Villa fans it's the fact they go on about transfer fees it's like it's their money. If it's £12m, £15m whatever, pay the dough and get RM in. He is a proven championship centre forward and if that's the cost then it's a drop in the ocean if he scores the goals that achieve promotion. Why is it some people bang on and on about the fee like it's coming from their account? They moan when we don't spent money and moan when we show a bit of intent
"If" he scores the goals that achieve promotion is the key bit.
I could counter what you say with why do people bang on and on about spending massive amounts of money for a second division club and not caring if it's a good investment are often the same ones moaning how shit we were run under the previous owner which all stemmed from spending money without caring if it was being spent wisely.
Do you not feel it's a good investment?
That's a good point but £12m is absolutely nothing in this post TV bonanza market. It is pure chicken feed and should he score 20 goals and manage to sort out the other end we'll be there or there abouts. We actually havent spent a penny yet
If there is one thing I'll never understand with some Villa fans it's the fact they go on about transfer fees it's like it's their money. If it's £12m, £15m whatever, pay the dough and get RM in. He is a proven championship centre forward and if that's the cost then it's a drop in the ocean if he scores the goals that achieve promotion. Why is it some people bang on and on about the fee like it's coming from their account? They moan when we don't spent money and moan when we show a bit of intent
"If" he scores the goals that achieve promotion is the key bit.
I could counter what you say with why do people bang on and on about spending massive amounts of money for a second division club and not caring if it's a good investment are often the same ones moaning how shit we were run under the previous owner which all stemmed from spending money without caring if it was being spent wisely.
Do you not feel it's a good investment?
I've said a number of times over the last few pages that I think it's a very risky one and it's one I don't think is worth the risk.
If there is one thing I'll never understand with some Villa fans it's the fact they go on about transfer fees it's like it's their money. If it's £12m, £15m whatever, pay the dough and get RM in. He is a proven championship centre forward and if that's the cost then it's a drop in the ocean if he scores the goals that achieve promotion. Why is it some people bang on and on about the fee like it's coming from their account? They moan when we don't spent money and moan when we show a bit of intent
"If" he scores the goals that achieve promotion is the key bit.
I could counter what you say with why do people bang on and on about spending massive amounts of money for a second division club and not caring if it's a good investment are often the same ones moaning how shit we were run under the previous owner which all stemmed from spending money without caring if it was being spent wisely.
Do you not feel it's a good investment?
I've said a number of times over the last few pages that I think it's a very risky one and it's one I don't think is worth the risk.
Well, it's clear we need a proven striker so who would you go for?
Paddy McNair being linked as Clark's replacement.
Telegraph.Paddy McNair being linked as Clark's replacement.
Linked where?
Is he a Scottish fatty like Charlie Adam ? We need someone like Jordan Rhodes, a prolific goal-hanger with decent ability as well as able to hold it up. Don't know enough about McCormack to see if he's similar.
If there is one thing I'll never understand with some Villa fans it's the fact they go on about transfer fees it's like it's their money. If it's £12m, £15m whatever, pay the dough and get RM in. He is a proven championship centre forward and if that's the cost then it's a drop in the ocean if he scores the goals that achieve promotion. Why is it some people bang on and on about the fee like it's coming from their account? They moan when we don't spent money and moan when we show a bit of intent
"If" he scores the goals that achieve promotion is the key bit.
I could counter what you say with why do people bang on and on about spending massive amounts of money for a second division club and not caring if it's a good investment are often the same ones moaning how shit we were run under the previous owner which all stemmed from spending money without caring if it was being spent wisely.
Do you not feel it's a good investment?
I've said a number of times over the last few pages that I think it's a very risky one and it's one I don't think is worth the risk.
Well, it's clear we need a proven striker so who would you go for?
Personally would go for Nakhi Wells from Huddersfield. Would probably cost a fair bit less than McCormack.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9E2hX0IoB_w
A telegraph writer is linking is with Paddy Mcnair from Man Utd.Didn't we let him go and he ended up at Manu via Motherwell and Celtic?
If there is one thing I'll never understand with some Villa fans it's the fact they go on about transfer fees it's like it's their money. If it's £12m, £15m whatever, pay the dough and get RM in. He is a proven championship centre forward and if that's the cost then it's a drop in the ocean if he scores the goals that achieve promotion. Why is it some people bang on and on about the fee like it's coming from their account? They moan when we don't spent money and moan when we show a bit of intent
"If" he scores the goals that achieve promotion is the key bit.
I could counter what you say with why do people bang on and on about spending massive amounts of money for a second division club and not caring if it's a good investment are often the same ones moaning how shit we were run under the previous owner which all stemmed from spending money without caring if it was being spent wisely.
Do you not feel it's a good investment?
I've said a number of times over the last few pages that I think it's a very risky one and it's one I don't think is worth the risk.
Well, it's clear we need a proven striker so who would you go for?
Personally would go for Nakhi Wells from Huddersfield. Would probably cost a fair bit less than McCormack.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9E2hX0IoB_w
Im not singing with joy for Ross McCormack to come to Villa but he does know where the net is in a shit fulham team!
Scottish fatty eh? Racism with added weightism. Love it.
So you're basically saying there's still a chance for Gabby.If there is one thing I'll never understand with some Villa fans it's the fact they go on about transfer fees it's like it's their money. If it's £12m, £15m whatever, pay the dough and get RM in. He is a proven championship centre forward and if that's the cost then it's a drop in the ocean if he scores the goals that achieve promotion. Why is it some people bang on and on about the fee like it's coming from their account? They moan when we don't spent money and moan when we show a bit of intent
"If" he scores the goals that achieve promotion is the key bit.
I could counter what you say with why do people bang on and on about spending massive amounts of money for a second division club and not caring if it's a good investment are often the same ones moaning how shit we were run under the previous owner which all stemmed from spending money without caring if it was being spent wisely.
Do you not feel it's a good investment?
I've said a number of times over the last few pages that I think it's a very risky one and it's one I don't think is worth the risk.
Well, it's clear we need a proven striker so who would you go for?
Personally would go for Nakhi Wells from Huddersfield. Would probably cost a fair bit less than McCormack.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9E2hX0IoB_w
Im not singing with joy for Ross McCormack to come to Villa but he does know where the net is in a shit fulham team!
All that video really shows me is the poor quality of goalkeepers and defenders in the championship.
A telegraph writer is linking is with Paddy Mcnair from Man Utd.Didn't we let him go and he ended up at Manu via Motherwell and Celtic?
Would be quite a good signing considering the goals and honours he got whilst there.
I'd sign him up. You need a striker who'll bang in 20 goals and he will. Play Ayew just behind him, and we'll get some joy.
I still wouldn't write Rudy or Kozak off entirely. Given the right service they'll score goals, but I think at least one of them needs shipping off (as well as Gabby), and even if we sign RM, I'd still like to see another come in too.
That's true. I really want Grealish to play a key role and I'd still like us to sign an attacking midfielder who has the ability to get wide and put crosses in too.I'd sign him up. You need a striker who'll bang in 20 goals and he will. Play Ayew just behind him, and we'll get some joy.
I still wouldn't write Rudy or Kozak off entirely. Given the right service they'll score goals, but I think at least one of them needs shipping off (as well as Gabby), and even if we sign RM, I'd still like to see another come in too.
Giving our strikers, whoever they are, the right service is fundamental. We've been so poor creating opportunities we celebrate a shot rather than a goal. I can never understand how a player like Hutton can find himself on endless occasions in a fantastic advanced position yet 99 times out of 100, he won't put a cross in. And then we blame Rudi for not scoring enough.
Football isn't half as complicated as we make it look. Hopefully RDM/Clarke will sort it out.. and soon.
Sign him, no brainer.
Sign him, no brainer.
interesting , please elaborate, I aint so sure.
equally intriguing your name, ever been down sha?? av5NOBS
Pat Murphy confirms 11 m bid for McCormackAs much as anything I'd like us to throw our wieght around and fuck Norwich over too. We haven't done enough to send out the message that we're looking up and not still panicking about what's behind us. Fuck re-sale value in this case. Whether it's RM or someone else I want us to poach a rivals best player, and from under the nose of another rival, stick two fingers up and bag ourselves a goalscorer. Newcastle are throwing their weight around in the transfer window and look nailed on for top spot. We've got to up our fucking game here.
Pat Murphy confirms 11 m bid for McCormackAs much as anything I'd like us to throw our wieght around and fuck Norwich over too. We haven't done enough to send out the message that we're looking up and not still panicking about what's behind us. Fuck re-sale value in this case. Whether it's RM or someone else I want us to poach a rivals best player, and from under the nose of another rival, stick two fingers up and bag ourselves a goalscorer. Newcastle are throwing their weight around in the transfer window and look nailed on for top spot. We've got to up our fucking game here.
In fairness there's some very good stuff from in that video, along with some defending as bad as anything we've seen down B6 the last few years. Looking at him though worries me, he's nearly 30 and looks 2 Ginsters pasties away from turning into Grant Holt.
The ability to finish with both feet and first time, makes him unpredictable too.In fairness there's some very good stuff from in that video, along with some defending as bad as anything we've seen down B6 the last few years. Looking at him though worries me, he's nearly 30 and looks 2 Ginsters pasties away from turning into Grant Holt.
Some nice stuff though wasn't there? The little spin and volley, plus he has this... movement thing. Movement. Hmm. I saw that once at Villa Park.
He's certainly more a full English than a croissant and juice man.He looks the sort who'd order the optional extras like a bit of black pudding and an extra sausage.
In fairness there's some very good stuff from in that video, along with some defending as bad as anything we've seen down B6 the last few years. Looking at him though worries me, he's nearly 30 and looks 2 Ginsters pasties away from turning into Grant Holt.
Some nice stuff though wasn't there? The little spin and volley, plus he has this... movement thing. Movement. Hmm. I saw that once at Villa Park.
Pat Murphy confirms 11 m bid for McCormack
Here at Honkers Take Away
We are celebrating Ciaran Cacks move to Newcastle by having a Ciaran Clark style party, including heading an own goal without spilling your pint, slicing a pass into the buffet sandwiches, attempting a Ciaran Cryuff turn up the bar and losing possession of your Prawn Balls and the all time Clark classic, lunging two footed into someone carrying a round of drinks!
Let's all have a Wonga Conga!
And good riddance.Here at Honkers Take Away
We are celebrating Ciaran Cacks move to Newcastle by having a Ciaran Clark style party, including heading an own goal without spilling your pint, slicing a pass into the buffet sandwiches, attempting a Ciaran Cryuff turn up the bar and losing possession of your Prawn Balls and the all time Clark classic, lunging two footed into someone carrying a round of drinks!
Let's all have a Wonga Conga!
Goodbye.
John Percy says we are in for Paddy McNair from Man United. Twitter. Normally reliable?
He's certainly more a full English than a croissant and juice man.He looks the sort who'd order the optional extras like a bit of black pudding and an extra sausage.
Jedinak is the leader we keep talking about. Go and get him RDM, now! Him and Tshibola as the two would be far better than Bacuna and Westwood. McCormack might be overpriced but I guess we need him.agreed
Right now the squad looks worse than last season, and I don't think playing championship teams every week is enough of a counterbalance
We need to start getting players in. Yes, it is harder in the championship but Newcastle seem to be doing it.
We keep telling ourselves we are a big club. Well we need to start acting like one. No sign of that this window yet. Here's hoping that changes soon.
John Percy says we are in for Paddy McNair from Man United. Twitter. Normally reliable?
Seemed to break most of our transfers from abroad last summer so I'd say yes.
McNair showed a bit of potential at United but lost his way with LVG moving him around.
Versatile though, can play CB or right back so not the worst signing.
Clark's greatest attributes are his pace and positioning, unfortunately.
Him going to Newcastle must significantly improve our chances of promotion
I find Newcastle going for Clark quite an odd move on their part. He's an average CB, too slow at FB and untested anywhere else. And he's not really weakening us by going there. He's maybe weakening them.
I find Newcastle going for Clark quite an odd move on their part. He's an average CB, too slow at FB and untested anywhere else. And he's not really weakening us by going there. He's maybe weakening them.
Clark just hasn't developed the way any of us would have hoped really. I do think playing in poor teams has probably been a factor in that, but he has regressed in some areas, particularly in possession.
McCormack supposed to be having a medical tomorrow. £14 million with extras.
McCormack supposed to be having a medical tomorrow. £14 million with extras.
Seems to be a done deal according to News Now. Time for his own thread?
Best part of Clark going is the end of seeing his name misspelled
Newcastle swoop for Colin Clark and Mohamed Diamé
Maybe Colin is the English translation of Ciaran and the Irish Times is pitching itself for the English readership.Best part of Clark going is the end of seeing his name misspelled
Headline from of all places the online Irish TimesQuoteNewcastle swoop for Colin Clark and Mohamed Diamé
You have to laugh
Real are aware Sissoko – who is back training with Newcastle – is also being tracked by Juventus, Paris Saint-Germain, Everton, West Bromwich and Crystal Palace but understand the player has set his heart on a switch to Spain.
I hope I'm wrong but I really don't think McCormack is the right player for us up front, he'll score some goals and get some assists but I don't think he'll make that much of a difference to us. We still need to find some real pace so we have a threat on the counter attack, I just see Grealish, Ayew and RM all wanting to play in the same pockets of space around the edge of the box and no one dragging defenders around to create that space.100% disagree. I dont know much about him, but from what I've seen, he's one of those players that is capable of creating space to get a sight on goal in or around the box, isn't scared to have a shot and his movement off the ball puts him into space. We may need another creative midfielder, but if he looks as though he's the type of player that could work well with and compliment both Ayew and Grealish.
According to The Guardian Colin had a medical at Newcastle today (Tuesday).
They also reckon Real Madrid are paying £35m for Sissoko. Then again they also say this, tough choice, Real Madrid, Paris or Smethwick.QuoteReal are aware Sissoko – who is back training with Newcastle – is also being tracked by Juventus, Paris Saint-Germain, Everton, West Bromwich and Crystal Palace but understand the player has set his heart on a switch to Spain.
According to The Guardian Colin had a medical at Newcastle today (Tuesday).
They also reckon Real Madrid are paying £35m for Sissoko. Then again they also say this, tough choice, Real Madrid, Paris or Smethwick.QuoteReal are aware Sissoko – who is back training with Newcastle – is also being tracked by Juventus, Paris Saint-Germain, Everton, West Bromwich and Crystal Palace but understand the player has set his heart on a switch to Spain.
Can anyone explain to me how that useless pile of shite who spent all of last season perfecting the 'I couldn't give a shit' routine is going to be sold for More than Benteke went for?
According to The Guardian Colin had a medical at Newcastle today (Tuesday).
They also reckon Real Madrid are paying £35m for Sissoko. Then again they also say this, tough choice, Real Madrid, Paris or Smethwick.QuoteReal are aware Sissoko – who is back training with Newcastle – is also being tracked by Juventus, Paris Saint-Germain, Everton, West Bromwich and Crystal Palace but understand the player has set his heart on a switch to Spain.
Can anyone explain to me how that useless pile of shite who spent all of last season perfecting the 'I couldn't give a shit' routine is going to be sold for More than Benteke went for?
Release clause vs no release clause. Or maybe there is a release clause and Real have decided to start a bidding war?
According to The Guardian Colin had a medical at Newcastle today (Tuesday).I really feel sorry for millionaire footballers who have such difficult decisions to make as to where they would like to ply their trade.......Sandwell&Dudley or Madrid. If only I had such a simple choice to make instead of being told the government has sold you down the line now fuck off on to the dole and stop moaning. Which is exactly what I'm doing now over 30 years later. :)
They also reckon Real Madrid are paying £35m for Sissoko. Then again they also say this, tough choice, Real Madrid, Paris or Smethwick.QuoteReal are aware Sissoko – who is back training with Newcastle – is also being tracked by Juventus, Paris Saint-Germain, Everton, West Bromwich and Crystal Palace but understand the player has set his heart on a switch to Spain.
I hope I'm wrong but I really don't think McCormack is the right player for us up front, he'll score some goals and get some assists but I don't think he'll make that much of a difference to us. We still need to find some real pace so we have a threat on the counter attack, I just see Grealish, Ayew and RM all wanting to play in the same pockets of space around the edge of the box and no one dragging defenders around to create that space.
I don't think we're done yet Paul, I think we're after a winger too.
I.know what you mean though, I've been banging the mobility drum, but on the bright side he will.probably score more goals than our squad did last season
If there is one thing I'll never understand with some Villa fans it's the fact they go on about transfer fees it's like it's their money. If it's £12m, £15m whatever, pay the dough and get RM in. He is a proven championship centre forward and if that's the cost then it's a drop in the ocean if he scores the goals that achieve promotion. Why is it some people bang on and on about the fee like it's coming from their account? They moan when we don't spent money and moan when we show a bit of intent
"If" he scores the goals that achieve promotion is the key bit.
I could counter what you say with why do people bang on and on about spending massive amounts of money for a second division club and not caring if it's a good investment are often the same ones moaning how shit we were run under the previous owner which all stemmed from spending money without caring if it was being spent wisely.
Do you not feel it's a good investment?
I've said a number of times over the last few pages that I think it's a very risky one and it's one I don't think is worth the risk.
Well, it's clear we need a proven striker so who would you go for?
Personally would go for Nakhi Wells from Huddersfield. Would probably cost a fair bit less than McCormack.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9E2hX0IoB_w
Im not singing with joy for Ross McCormack to come to Villa but he does know where the net is in a shit fulham team!
I know the risks of forming an opinion based on YouTube clips, BUT, I was really impressed with that.
He looks like a proper striker, and a goal threat from free kicks too.
Just what we need IMO.
I hope I'm wrong but I really don't think McCormack is the right player for us up front, he'll score some goals and get some assists but I don't think he'll make that much of a difference to us. We still need to find some real pace so we have a threat on the counter attack, I just see Grealish, Ayew and RM all wanting to play in the same pockets of space around the edge of the box and no one dragging defenders around to create that space.
I hope I'm wrong but I really don't think McCormack is the right player for us up front, he'll score some goals and get some assists but I don't think he'll make that much of a difference to us. We still need to find some real pace so we have a threat on the counter attack, I just see Grealish, Ayew and RM all wanting to play in the same pockets of space around the edge of the box and no one dragging defenders around to create that space.
to be fair Paul . who is actually making goals and assists and are we sure the likes of Bamford would score the same amount. One month ago I would have said not RM but now Im thinking sign him up now . Get Three million for Sinclair gets a bit of the fee and hes hopeless.
I think the Bent comparison's are unfair, as he does a hell of a lot more outside the box.
I hope I'm wrong but I really don't think McCormack is the right player for us up front, he'll score some goals and get some assists but I don't think he'll make that much of a difference to us. We still need to find some real pace so we have a threat on the counter attack, I just see Grealish, Ayew and RM all wanting to play in the same pockets of space around the edge of the box and no one dragging defenders around to create that space.
to be fair Paul . who is actually making goals and assists and are we sure the likes of Bamford would score the same amount. One month ago I would have said not RM but now Im thinking sign him up now . Get Three million for Sinclair gets a bit of the fee and hes hopeless.
Given I don't want Bamford either I'd agree with you on that one.
Let me try again. Our fundamental problem last season was that we were easily crowded out because we didn't have the threat in behind that pushed defenders deeper and created a gap between the defence and midfield which is where our creative players (Grealish, Ayew and Gil) wanted to operate. Because of that they all ended up coming far deeper than they'd like and then none of them has the raw pace to beat a man on halfway and break on goal. For me McCormack does nothing to address that problem so we still need to sign another striker. If we go out and do that and we fill that massive gap in the squad then RM may prove to be worth the money but if we don't then I think he'll just be another disappointing signing who doesn't give us what we expected.
A lot of money on a striker whose trajectory is most likely to be downwards rather than upwards.
If he does the job this year then it will be money well spent but I would have liked to have seen it spent on a player who is more likely to be upwardly mobile .Maybe we will get him as well?
Fingers crossed
Fast pacey strikers are no use if the majority of teams that come to VP are happy to sit deep and defend.
RM is being bought for his instant impact ability, we need to hit the ground running, forget his age, forget his price tag, forget his sell on value, he will give us goals.
Fast pacey strikers are no use if the majority of teams that come to VP are happy to sit deep and defend.
RM is being bought for his instant impact ability, we need to hit the ground running, forget his age, forget his price tag, forget his sell on value, he will give us goals.
Fast pacey strikers are no use if the majority of teams that come to VP are happy to sit deep and defend.
RM is being bought for his instant impact ability, we need to hit the ground running, forget his age, forget his price tag, forget his sell on value, he will give us goals.
Which would be all well and good if we'd been losing to teams that came to defend like that but actually most teams last year came and played a high line and choked us in midfield.
Been reading a lot on twitter about folks wanting Jedinak in from Palace. He's 32, always been bang average from what i've seen so what gives ?
I wonder if Nahki Wells has even been considered?
Unless I'm missing something, he seems to work hard, is two-footed, can head the ball and handle a set-piece.
. . . . and he's only at Huddersfield.
Been reading a lot on twitter about folks wanting Jedinak in from Palace. He's 32, always been bang average from what i've seen so what gives ?
He does one job very well, which is to be the dominant midfielder who shields the back four. Exactly what we need.
Fast pacey strikers are no use if the majority of teams that come to VP are happy to sit deep and defend.
RM is being bought for his instant impact ability, we need to hit the ground running, forget his age, forget his price tag, forget his sell on value, he will give us goals.
Which would be all well and good if we'd been losing to teams that came to defend like that but actually most teams last year came and played a high line and choked us in midfield.
Teams in the Prem could do that to us, Paul.
I feel that a fair few teams will come to Villa Park and park the bus for a draw and try to hit us on the break.
Just imagine Rotherham, Burton, and the like, putting 10 behind the ball then snatch a goal on 88 mins? (Torquay 1970) or snatching a goal mid first half then putting 11 behind the ball?
In these games we'll need to be looking at scoring early doors to open teams up, McCormack will give us that edge.
Been reading a lot on twitter about folks wanting Jedinak in from Palace. He's 32, always been bang average from what i've seen so what gives ?
Been reading a lot on twitter about folks wanting Jedinak in from Palace. He's 32, always been bang average from what i've seen so what gives ?
my palace mates really rated him - they think the Prem might be too much for him now but could easily do a job for us
Been reading a lot on twitter about folks wanting Jedinak in from Palace. He's 32, always been bang average from what i've seen so what gives ?
my palace mates really rated him - they think the Prem might be too much for him now but could easily do a job for us
Jedinak is a good player and comes across as a good character too. Its a yes from me.
Last year was the year of the Jordans, could this year be RM central?
Alan Nixon (is he reliable?) has Tweeted "Aston Villa getting busy now. Found a replacement for Gueye"He's usually pretty good. Blackburn fan I believe. They have just signed a midfielder, maybe its because we're buying one of theirs?
Alan Nixon (is he reliable?) has Tweeted "Aston Villa getting busy now. Found a replacement for Gueye"
He ripped us apart when he played for Bradford.I wonder if Nahki Wells has even been considered?
Unless I'm missing something, he seems to work hard, is two-footed, can head the ball and handle a set-piece.
. . . . and he's only at Huddersfield.
Mentioned this guy a couple of times. Think he'd be an excellent buy.
Been reading a lot on twitter about folks wanting Jedinak in from Palace. He's 32, always been bang average from what i've seen so what gives ?
my palace mates really rated him - they think the Prem might be too much for him now but could easily do a job for us
Jedinak is a good player and comes across as a good character too. Its a yes from me.
Pacy striker? Green or Rushian HM?Fast pacey strikers are no use if the majority of teams that come to VP are happy to sit deep and defend.
RM is being bought for his instant impact ability, we need to hit the ground running, forget his age, forget his price tag, forget his sell on value, he will give us goals.
We don't know how teams who come to VP will approach the game though, and of course, that's only one side of the coin. That's why you get variety. Gestede/Kozak will be the big lumps, McCormack as the goalscorer, and then a pacy striker to stretch defences and play on the counter.
Pacy striker? Green or Rushian HM?Fast pacey strikers are no use if the majority of teams that come to VP are happy to sit deep and defend.
RM is being bought for his instant impact ability, we need to hit the ground running, forget his age, forget his price tag, forget his sell on value, he will give us goals.
We don't know how teams who come to VP will approach the game though, and of course, that's only one side of the coin. That's why you get variety. Gestede/Kozak will be the big lumps, McCormack as the goalscorer, and then a pacy striker to stretch defences and play on the counter.
Would there be if he were elusive?
any sign of an elusive right back coming in yet ?
I'd be willing to give Morrison a shot, if you watch his highlights reel he looks like a guy who should be going for 40-50m this summer not someone who can be picked up for pretty much nothing. Hopefully a year in Italy will have helped him grow up a little. It is a risk but it's one worth taking I think.
I'd be willing to give Morrison a shot, if you watch his highlights reel he looks like a guy who should be going for 40-50m this summer not someone who can be picked up for pretty much nothing. Hopefully a year in Italy will have helped him grow up a little. It is a risk but it's one worth taking I think.
It is too much of a risk I feel. The last thing we need is another half arsed player in the squad. How did he perform in his year in Italy anyway?
After I had whipped him in the Employment Tribunal this morning I was talking to the Newcastle supporter representing the other side. He said they had just signed our "best" central defender (to which I replied "you have just signed "A" central defender, and "best Villa defender" was like "smallest mountain" last season anyway) , that they would walk the league and that Villa will struggle. Hopefully the Newcastle squad are equally as complacent (and that his predictions are as good as his cross-examination and Submissions - mee-ow!!)
I actually think Morrison might be worth the gamble.
Everyone scoffed at Barton, and maybe Morrison can mature a bit and actually start to fulfil his potential.
Linked with Berntrand Traore on loan from Chelsea. Another one that would be an excellent signing imo - fast, powerful and different to what we have.
Jedinak i have been wanting for about a year now. Leader. I would get Bidcutt as well and let Westwood go.
Last year was the year of the Jordans, could this year be RM central?
yes please
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Last year was the year of the Jordans, could this year be RM central?
yes please
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Hopefully we'll rm -rf half the squad aswell.
...I'll get my anorak
Last year was the year of the Jordans, could this year be RM central?
yes please
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And yet my shutdown -r joke a few months back got nothing.
Hopefully we'll rm -rf half the squad aswell.
...I'll get my anorak
Now I'm a Linux geek too!
what did you expect him to say?
what did you expect him to say?
Players always come out with this pish. It really shouldn't be analysed or taken seriously.
Give me £60k a week and I'll tell you I support the B.lues. I really will.
I'm another who mentioned him months ago.He ripped us apart when he played for Bradford.I wonder if Nahki Wells has even been considered?
Unless I'm missing something, he seems to work hard, is two-footed, can head the ball and handle a set-piece.
. . . . and he's only at Huddersfield.
Mentioned this guy a couple of times. Think he'd be an excellent buy.
Not a lot different really, but the second sentence wasn't necessary.
Presumably there's going to be something thanking us for developing and paying him for 15 years too.
The Evening Mail have stuck their oar in.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-comment-would-ciaran-11700493?
I'm not sure if Clark is having a go at us more than just praising Newcastle. Whatever the case at the moment there is an air of truth to his comments, but they may not be so true come the end of the season. We have to make him eat his words :)
Not a lot different really, but the second sentence wasn't necessary.
Presumably there's going to be something thanking us for developing and paying him for 15 years too.
Meant to put this here.The Evening Mail have stuck their oar in.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-comment-would-ciaran-11700493?
Can I just say I fecking hate Newcastle. Tin pot club with mindless hyena like fans that think speaking unintelligible shit makes them better than everyone else. Rafaloution as their main hash tag and this worship of a guy who could not beat villa Sunderland or Norwich to stay up. I don't get it. Bunch of over sensitive cock sockets. I really hope they crash and burn.
Yorkshire Post reporting Leeds United are close to signing Liam Bridcutt.Shame, good player
Nonsense
The good doctor has tweeted a video of Ross McCormacks goals.....
Diame gone to Newcastle.
Saw a thing on facebook saying we're offering Gestede + cash for Hernandez (Hull)
Alex Pritchard who Norwich have gazumped Brighton for would have been very useful and provided some missing creativity
Diame gone to Newcastle.
Saw a thing on facebook saying we're offering Gestede + cash for Hernandez (Hull)
File under "snowball in hell"
Diame gone to Newcastle.
Saw a thing on facebook saying we're offering Gestede + cash for Hernandez (Hull)
File under "snowball in hell"
Bloke at work reckons we're in for Jedinak and Bamford. Same file location?
Are we to take it that Traore will be leaving then?
If they are fit and we get them in form and confident, McCormack, Ayew, Adama, Grealish, plus Amavi from LB, would rip defences at this level to shreds.
Few seem to be factoring him into their likely teams, just thought I'd missed a story.
If they are played correctly and with a modicum of tactics I wholeheartedly agree.If they are fit and we get them in form and confident, McCormack, Ayew, Adama, Grealish, plus Amavi from LB, would rip defences at this level to shreds.
Rudi and McCormack are made for each other. They will be the front 2 with Ayew behind before long I reckon.
Rudi and McCormack are made for each other. They will be the front 2 with Ayew behind before long I reckon.
Rudi and McCormack are made for each other. They will be the front 2 with Ayew behind before long I reckon.
Rudi and McCormack are made for each other. They will be the front 2 with Ayew behind before long I reckon.
A diamond? I'd be surprised
The mail was making this argument but I'm not sure if gestede and McCormack are made for each other. I think RM will kill better with someone with movement
Diame gone to Newcastle.
Saw a thing on facebook saying we're offering Gestede + cash for Hernandez (Hull)
RM and RH-M are a perfect fit.RM RHM RDM , that's computer speak, surely? Aint no talk ive ever heard of.
Don't know where else to put this randomness but Roberto Martinez is the new Belgium manager.
Rudi and McCormack are made for each other. They will be the front 2 with Ayew behind before long I reckon.
A diamond? I'd be surprised
The mail was making this argument but I'm not sure if gestede and McCormack are made for each other. I think RM will kill better with someone with movement
the only thing justhead is good for is giving rides on blackpool beach and eating carrotsSo his name is Carla, who resides outside the Devonshire! Ive been there too.
Alex Pritchard who Norwich have gazumped Brighton for would have been very useful and provided some missing creativity
I'd happily keep Rudy. I like him. He's a bit shit but he's a trier and seems a good guy. He's also, given the right service, still a threat and will score goals. He'd be useful on the bench, and the option is also there to go two up top with RM.
Service is the key. Hopefully by the end of the window we sign a couple more players who can cross a ball. Grealish may get joy playing a little wider at times too. He can put in a good ball when he gets in those positions. I don't think you need blistering pace to play wide in the Champ.
Sell Kozak. Bin Gabby.
RM, Gestede, Ayew, and the emerging RHM. That's probably the best selection in the 2nd tier.
Don't know where else to put this randomness but Roberto Martinez is the new Belgium manager.
Was just thinking the same thing, where do you put bizarre news like that?
The confident Blackburn version was at times unplayable in the Championship. Would be silly to forget that. Get a right back that can cross and he might be re-engaged well.
Don't know where else to put this randomness but Roberto Martinez is the new Belgium manager.
Was just thinking the same thing, where do you put bizarre news like that?
Why is that bizarre? Is it coz old Whelan said he manage real madrid? ?
The figure mentioned for Ayew might be wrong, but I have had a feeling that he will not be here on September 1st and I do not care what has come out of the club, if he wants to go we will sell. Hope Im wrong.
the prerequisite would be getting a replacement signed first
What impact was that, exactly?The confident Blackburn version was at times unplayable in the Championship. Would be silly to forget that. Get a right back that can cross and he might be re-engaged well.
Worth keeping as an impact sub. Not a starter, but he showed a times last season that he is capable of making an impact coming on in the latter stages of games. New striker, McCormack, Ayew, Gestede and RHM would give us some decent attacking options. Agbonlahor and Kozak to move on.
Ayew should be 15m minimum. There is no release and we don't have to sell.
It's this first big test for Xia and RDM. Both have said he is committed and not leaving and does not have a release. There is though a nagging feeling that we might be a better team without him. Shape wise Kodjia and McCormack might work better worth Grealish at 10 than Ayew.
It's this first big test for Xia and RDM. Both have said he is committed and not leaving and does not have a release. There is though a nagging feeling that we might be a better team without him. Shape wise Kodjia and McCormack might work better worth Grealish at 10 than Ayew.
This is my view too, he was deeper than the midfield for huge swathes of the game on Saturday.....It's this first big test for Xia and RDM. Both have said he is committed and not leaving and does not have a release. There is though a nagging feeling that we might be a better team without him. Shape wise Kodjia and McCormack might work better worth Grealish at 10 than Ayew.
He's a great player but I've got the same nagging feeling.
Clearly a talent but drifts out of position, gets frustrated and tries to do too much.
Justifiable I know with how the sides been playing but not sure he's a team player.
I like Ayew but I'm still not entirely sure where he's best position is. It would be nice to get another season out of him though.
I think the business we've done so far is good, and this month I'd like to see us sell Richards, Agbonlahor, Sanchez, Sinclair, Baker and loan out Veretout. I'd like us to then sign a CB, RB, CM and creative right sided midfielder. I would be quite confident if we did all of that.
Controversial I know but Lescott is the one out of last seasons shit pile I would hold onto as 4th choice centre back / 3rd choice left back. I thought despite his fuckwittedness he was slightly better than some of the other defenders last season and he's another one that might be ok dropping down a division. And without his cronies around him he might be better too.
Controversial I know but Lescott is the one out of last seasons shit pile I would hold onto as 4th choice centre back / 3rd choice left back. I thought despite his fuckwittedness he was slightly better than some of the other defenders last season and he's another one that might be ok dropping down a division. And without his cronies around him he might be better too.
Controversial I know but Lescott is the one out of last seasons shit pile I would hold onto as 4th choice centre back / 3rd choice left back. I thought despite his fuckwittedness he was slightly better than some of the other defenders last season and he's another one that might be ok dropping down a division. And without his cronies around him he might be better too.
It might be controversial but I agree. I'd still rather Lescott at centre half than Clark.
I think it looks like its going to be Elphick and Baker as starting with Okore 3 and Lescott 4. we also have Toner to try and blood in. My issue with Lescott is that when he was good he was really good but when he was bad he literally looked like a drunk dad playing football with the kids at the end of a wedding
Baker ahead of Okore is weird imo
I think it looks like its going to be Elphick and Baker as starting with Okore 3 and Lescott 4. we also have Toner to try and blood in. My issue with Lescott is that when he was good he was really good but when he was bad he literally looked like a drunk dad playing football with the kids at the end of a wedding
Agree than Lescott was poor in some games but Baker is poor at some point in every game and it nearly always ends up costing. If we play him regularly we might as well throw the bastard white towel in now :-)
I think it looks like its going to be Elphick and Baker as starting with Okore 3 and Lescott 4. we also have Toner to try and blood in. My issue with Lescott is that when he was good he was really good but when he was bad he literally looked like a drunk dad playing football with the kids at the end of a wedding
Agree than Lescott was poor in some games but Baker is poor at some point in every game and it nearly always ends up costing. If we play him regularly we might as well throw the bastard white towel in now :-)
Agree with that. Baker's a car crash waiting to happen and I'm surprised he's still a Villa player.
So we have:
RDM
RHM
RM
and pursuing RM
Good we aren't playing against RM
I do not understand some of the comments on here about accepting losing Ayew. The way I look at it is that we would want a better player than Ayew to replace him. Where do we get this player from and why wouldn't the other club (West Ham in this case) not be interested in this other player as the attraction of going there would be higher than coming to us. Granted you need to consider the style of player and exact position he plays.
I find it very frustrating that there are many on here that turn against a player at the first sign of interest in the media. Suddenly it becomes "f*** him, he wants to leave, let him go and he is c*** anyway".
I read that Wyness has tweeted (not sure if that is the correct phrase) that we are after other players
Controversial I know but Lescott is the one out of last seasons shit pile I would hold onto as 4th choice centre back / 3rd choice left back. I thought despite his fuckwittedness he was slightly better than some of the other defenders last season and he's another one that might be ok dropping down a division. And without his cronies around him he might be better too.
Baker ahead of Okore is weird imo
I wonder if RDM is one of those types who is particular about having a right-footed CB on the right and a left-footed one on the left.
I think it looks like its going to be Elphick and Baker as starting with Okore 3 and Lescott 4. we also have Toner to try and blood in. My issue with Lescott is that when he was good he was really good but when he was bad he literally looked like a drunk dad playing football with the kids at the end of a wedding
Agree than Lescott was poor in some games but Baker is poor at some point in every game and it nearly always ends up costing. If we play him regularly we might as well throw the bastard white towel in now :-)
I do not understand some of the comments on here about accepting losing Ayew
Baker ahead of Okore is weird imo
Baker ahead of Okore is weird imo
I think it's simply a case (as someone else mentioned) of wanting a left footer on the left side. Plus Baker's already had a stint in the league of course, and did very well according to Bristol City fans i've spoke to on twatter
I do not understand some of the comments on here about accepting losing Ayew
I'd accept it if HE SAYS HE WANTS TO GO and the fee is acceptable, 12m plus
Are you suggesting we'd be better off keeping him in that instance? If so I don't understand that and never will.
I do not understand some of the comments on here about accepting losing Ayew. The way I look at it is that we would want a better player than Ayew to replace him. Where do we get this player from and why wouldn't the other club (West Ham in this case) not be interested in this other player as the attraction of going there would be higher than coming to us. Granted you need to consider the style of player and exact position he plays.
I find it very frustrating that there are many on here that turn against a player at the first sign of interest in the media. Suddenly it becomes "f*** him, he wants to leave, let him go and he is c*** anyway".
Baker ahead of Okore is weird imo
I think it's simply a case (as someone else mentioned) of wanting a left footer on the left side. Plus Baker's already had a stint in the league of course, and did very well according to Bristol City fans i've spoke to on twatter
Doing well for a team that spent the season bumping along the lower reaches of the division is not really a ringing endorsement. We'll see how he does, but I think that is his level really.
Doing well for a team that spent the season bumping along the lower reaches of the division is not really a ringing endorsement. We'll see how he does, but I think that is his level really.
I do not understand some of the comments on here about accepting losing Ayew
I'd accept it if HE SAYS HE WANTS TO GO and the fee is acceptable, 12m plus
Are you suggesting we'd be better off keeping him in that instance? If so I don't understand that and never will.
How can we expect more than 12m for a striker that scored 7 goals though ?
Way more than £12m. If he starts well, we should be asking nearer 20.
Dr Xia has just tweeted reiterating that he is staying.And then to say want 3-4 more in + appt exp technical director
For all the scepticism you can't say the bloke hasn't put his money where his mouth is and backed the manager.
For all the scepticism you can't say the bloke hasn't put his money where his mouth is and backed the manager.Ahh! but have you asked LTA?
For all the scepticism you can't say the bloke hasn't put his money where his mouth is and backed the manager.Ahh! but have you asked LTA?
That made me wonder, what happened to SilhillVilla?For all the scepticism you can't say the bloke hasn't put his money where his mouth is and backed the manager.Ahh! but have you asked LTA?
What happened to Gregnash and Cooper's Injury?! And that bloke who used all the proper characters for foreign footballer's names? The H&V claret and black hole.
Dr Xia has just tweeted reiterating that he is staying.
What happened to Gregnash and Cooper's Injury?! And that bloke who used all the proper characters for foreign footballer's names? The H&V claret and black hole.
There's a H&V wing at Guantanamo Bay that we're not supposed to talk about
Dr Xia has just tweeted reiterating that he is staying.
These are the kind of tweets that I like.
What happened to Gregnash and Cooper's Injury?! And that bloke who used all the proper characters for foreign footballer's names? The H&V claret and black hole.
There's a H&V wing at Guantanamo Bay that we're not supposed to talk about
What's the first rule of the GB wing?
For all the scepticism you can't say the bloke hasn't put his money where his mouth is and backed the manager.Ahh! but have you asked LTA?
For all the scepticism you can't say the bloke hasn't put his money where his mouth is and backed the manager.Ahh! but have you asked LTA?
Probably having a meltdown over Sakho somewhere
Boing & all that.....
Lescott to Leeds on a free?Who do I have to get on my knees for to make this happen?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/08/04/leeds-united-poised-to-move-for-unwanted-aston-villa-defender-jo/
Lescott to Leeds on a free?Who do I have to get on my knees for to make this happen?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/08/04/leeds-united-poised-to-move-for-unwanted-aston-villa-defender-jo/
Lescott to Leeds on a free?Who do I have to get on my knees for to make this happen?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/08/04/leeds-united-poised-to-move-for-unwanted-aston-villa-defender-jo/
I thought you could tie your own shoelaces?Not me supertom. I'm too tired.Lescott to Leeds on a free?Who do I have to get on my knees for to make this happen?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/08/04/leeds-united-poised-to-move-for-unwanted-aston-villa-defender-jo/
http://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/hull-city-s-curtis-davies-poses-for-squad-photo-with-only-nine-players/story-29585772-detail/story.html we could do a deal with them swap Hernandez for Rudy, Lescott, Richards, Agbonlahor, and Branca. Problem solved ;)
John Percy has written in the Telegraph tonight than Lescott could go to Leeds on a free and we're still in for Hernandez from Hull.
Manchester United Bastian Schweinsteiger is not happy with Mourinho's treatment. Worth a cheeky 12 months loans bid.
That is really bad. Offer them Rudy, Richards and Gabby plus 5m for Hernandez. A giraffe and and a couple versatile lazy shit bags. Ideal.
looks like Sanchez is on his way and Sinclair.
Lescott to Leeds, please make it happen. Just three more toxic ones to get rid of and we can genuinely start afresh.Of all the teams he could go to I would be so happy if he went to Leeds, cant stand them and their scummy fans.
can't see us meeting that - Bamford on loan more likely?
Ok cool. Well normally I wouldn't advocate a mass turnover of players, but in our case it's essential for two reasons. Firstly most of our players are shite, so we need better ones and secondly the only way to change the deep rooted losing mentality at the club is to get rid of those negative voices.
can't see us meeting that - Bamford on loan more likely?
what makes you think that ? we have got Ross in for a similar amount...12 million euros is just about over £10 million
UTV
The Doc
Sure if RDM wants him the release clause won't be a problem, persuading the player to drop back into Championship might be :-)
The Hull striker has a 12 millions (euros) buy out clause.
http://readastonvilla.com/2016/08/05/aston-villa-target-release-clause-revealed/
The Hull striker has a 12 millions (euros) buy out clause.
http://readastonvilla.com/2016/08/05/aston-villa-target-release-clause-revealed/
In that case I think we have a good chance of getting him. Relegation with a rapidly imploding Hull, or winning a title with a resurgent Villa. Chance to play for a much bigger club. Would be a excellent signing.
Brizzl City have signed a new striker (no:9) from Chelsea on loan for 12 months.Yes please
https://twitter.com/SquawkaNews
Will this pave the way for Kodija to move on ?
Perversely I get more of a buzz out of seeing us get rid of one of the prime culprits for our humiliation last season than seeing a new player come in. Bit like removing a tapeworm.
Brizzl City have signed a new striker (no:9) from Chelsea on loan for 12 months.
https://twitter.com/SquawkaNews
Will this pave the way for Kodija to move on ?
The Hull striker has a 12 millions (euros) buy out clause.
http://readastonvilla.com/2016/08/05/aston-villa-target-release-clause-revealed/
In that case I think we have a good chance of getting him. Relegation with a rapidly imploding Hull, or winning a title with a resurgent Villa. Chance to play for a much bigger club. Would be a excellent signing.
The Hull striker has a 12 millions (euros) buy out clause.
http://readastonvilla.com/2016/08/05/aston-villa-target-release-clause-revealed/
In that case I think we have a good chance of getting him. Relegation with a rapidly imploding Hull, or winning a title with a resurgent Villa. Chance to play for a much bigger club. Would be a excellent signing.
What does Hernandez add exactly?
Unless I've missed something his last couple of seasons are identical to Gestede, 20 odd in the Championship but 5 or so in the Premier League. Even his time at Palermo gave similar results - plenty of goals in Serie B, hardly any in the higher division.
I'm all for "let's worry about the league above when we actually get there", but I'd question the wisdom of spending £10m on something that the evidence suggests we have in our squad already.
The Hull striker has a 12 millions (euros) buy out clause.
http://readastonvilla.com/2016/08/05/aston-villa-target-release-clause-revealed/
In that case I think we have a good chance of getting him. Relegation with a rapidly imploding Hull, or winning a title with a resurgent Villa. Chance to play for a much bigger club. Would be a excellent signing.
What does Hernandez add exactly?
Unless I've missed something his last couple of seasons are identical to Gestede, 20 odd in the Championship but 5 or so in the Premier League. Even his time at Palermo gave similar results - plenty of goals in Serie B, hardly any in the higher division.
I'm all for "let's worry about the league above when we actually get there", but I'd question the wisdom of spending £10m on something that the evidence suggests we have in our squad already.
The Hull striker has a 12 millions (euros) buy out clause.
http://readastonvilla.com/2016/08/05/aston-villa-target-release-clause-revealed/
In that case I think we have a good chance of getting him. Relegation with a rapidly imploding Hull, or winning a title with a resurgent Villa. Chance to play for a much bigger club. Would be a excellent signing.
What does Hernandez add exactly?
Unless I've missed something his last couple of seasons are identical to Gestede, 20 odd in the Championship but 5 or so in the Premier League. Even his time at Palermo gave similar results - plenty of goals in Serie B, hardly any in the higher division.
I'm all for "let's worry about the league above when we actually get there", but I'd question the wisdom of spending £10m on something that the evidence suggests we have in our squad already.
The Hull striker has a 12 millions (euros) buy out clause.
http://readastonvilla.com/2016/08/05/aston-villa-target-release-clause-revealed/
In that case I think we have a good chance of getting him. Relegation with a rapidly imploding Hull, or winning a title with a resurgent Villa. Chance to play for a much bigger club. Would be a excellent signing.
What does Hernandez add exactly?
Unless I've missed something his last couple of seasons are identical to Gestede, 20 odd in the Championship but 5 or so in the Premier League. Even his time at Palermo gave similar results - plenty of goals in Serie B, hardly any in the higher division.
I'm all for "let's worry about the league above when we actually get there", but I'd question the wisdom of spending £10m on something that the evidence suggests we have in our squad already.
I've not seen much of him but from what I have, he at least appears to be able to play football, which gives him a head start over Gestede.
I'm with you on that. Pace up top is what we need.
they wouldn't sell for 8m, I read the price quoted to us was £13m
they wouldn't sell for 8m, I read the price quoted to us was £13m
8m and gabby and Bacuna . ( if only )
The Hull striker has a 12 millions (euros) buy out clause.
http://readastonvilla.com/2016/08/05/aston-villa-target-release-clause-revealed/
In that case I think we have a good chance of getting him. Relegation with a rapidly imploding Hull, or winning a title with a resurgent Villa. Chance to play for a much bigger club. Would be a excellent signing.
What does Hernandez add exactly?
Unless I've missed something his last couple of seasons are identical to Gestede, 20 odd in the Championship but 5 or so in the Premier League. Even his time at Palermo gave similar results - plenty of goals in Serie B, hardly any in the higher division.
I'm all for "let's worry about the league above when we actually get there", but I'd question the wisdom of spending £10m on something that the evidence suggests we have in our squad already.
The only problem with Kodjia is his age.
bacuna no 7 and gabby no 11 squad numbers
disappointing
bacuna no 7 and gabby no 11 squad numbers
disappointing
bacuna no 7 and gabby no 11 squad numbers
disappointing
When was the last time you saw a team play with with 1 -11 on the pitch. It's virtually meaningless and people will still make a drama about it.Quite...McCormack 44 Amavi 23 Jack 40 Hutton 21. So there's 4 probable starters.
When was the last time you saw a team play with with 1 -11 on the pitch. It's virtually meaningless and people will still make a drama about it.Quite...McCormack 44 Amavi 23 Jack 40 Hutton 21. So there's 4 probable starters.
bacuna no 7 and gabby no 11 squad numbers
disappointing
Very happy to hear about the 3 bids, hopefully in the positions we are pretty desperate for. A bit disappointed to still have Dontgiveafucklahor still in the squad, no one is going to take that cancer.
I agree. The rhetoric on this site has gone really over the top.Very happy to hear about the 3 bids, hopefully in the positions we are pretty desperate for. A bit disappointed to still have Dontgiveafucklahor still in the squad, no one is going to take that cancer.
Cancer is a terrible way to describe what is 'only' a footballer who isn't good enough!
The only problem with Kodjia is his age.
What? 26?
Roman numerals would be much better. McCormack VIL for starters.
The only problem with Kodjia is his age.
What? 26?
My mistake, I thought he was an old Kodjia
Nice set up, very good!The only problem with Kodjia is his age.
What? 26?
My mistake, I thought he was an old Kodjia
The only problem with Kodjia is his age.
What? 26?
My mistake, I thought he was an old Kodjia
I agree. The rhetoric on this site has gone really over the top.Very happy to hear about the 3 bids, hopefully in the positions we are pretty desperate for. A bit disappointed to still have Dontgiveafucklahor still in the squad, no one is going to take that cancer.
Cancer is a terrible way to describe what is 'only' a footballer who isn't good enough!
Roman numerals would be much better. McCormack VIL for starters.
RDM's press conference: RDM confirmed 'We have three bids out'.
More movement very clearly possible.
Quite.The only problem with Kodjia is his age.
What? 26?
My mistake, I thought he was an old Kodjia
Good lord!!
Do we think the 3 bids are for the 3 names mentioned in the press today ... Kodjia, Hernandez and McNair? Or one or 2 different names?
Yeah I don't think we're after another forward to be honest after McCormack unless Bristol do accept £7 million plus for Kodjia. We must have made some enquiries on a few centre mids ... I hope we have.Do we think the 3 bids are for the 3 names mentioned in the press today ... Kodjia, Hernandez and McNair? Or one or 2 different names?
At least one must be a midfielder I'd guess, but not seen any links to midfielders. Hope De Laat is one of them, versatile and has been linked this week.
Do we think the 3 bids are for the 3 names mentioned in the press today ... Kodjia, Hernandez and McNair? Or one or 2 different names?
At least one must be a midfielder I'd guess, but not seen any links to midfielders. Hope De Laat is one of them, versatile and has been linked this week.
I agree. The rhetoric on this site has gone really over the top.Very happy to hear about the 3 bids, hopefully in the positions we are pretty desperate for. A bit disappointed to still have Dontgiveafucklahor still in the squad, no one is going to take that cancer.
Cancer is a terrible way to describe what is 'only' a footballer who isn't good enough!
Quite. Some of the language used on this site is literally worse than mass murder.
From Sky Sports Transfer Centre -
CELTIC MAKE SINCLAIR APPROACH
Celtic have made a fresh approach for Aston Villa forward Scott Sinclair, manager Roberto Di Matteo has confirmed
The Villa boss, speaking ahead of the club’s Championship opener against Sheffield Wednesday, confirmed the offer is being considered and a decision will be made within the next 24 hours.
Sky sources understand the clubs not far away from agreeing deal and expect agreement before Monday.
WTF sort of response is that? You may think 'cancer' and other phrases used to describe under-performing players is acceptable, I don't. I think it is over the top. There's no need to take the piss.I agree. The rhetoric on this site has gone really over the top.Very happy to hear about the 3 bids, hopefully in the positions we are pretty desperate for. A bit disappointed to still have Dontgiveafucklahor still in the squad, no one is going to take that cancer.
Cancer is a terrible way to describe what is 'only' a footballer who isn't good enough!
Quite. Some of the language used on this site is literally worse than mass murder.
Ross interview on SSN soon and Klopp has fkd our Christian off.
And can we please not use terms like "cancer" when talking about players, no matter how shite they are.
And Chris, it was obviously a joke, so wind your neck in.
And can we please not use terms like "cancer" when talking about players, no matter how shite they are.
And Chris, it was obviously a joke, so wind your neck in.
So the word Cancer is banned from the site no matter what the definition?
WTF sort of response is that? You may think 'cancer' and other phrases used to describe under-performing players is acceptable, I don't. I think it is over the top. There's no need to take the piss.I agree. The rhetoric on this site has gone really over the top.Very happy to hear about the 3 bids, hopefully in the positions we are pretty desperate for. A bit disappointed to still have Dontgiveafucklahor still in the squad, no one is going to take that cancer.
Cancer is a terrible way to describe what is 'only' a footballer who isn't good enough!
Quite. Some of the language used on this site is literally worse than mass murder.
I'm struggling to fill that centre mid role too, we get a Petrovy style of player and I think we are sorted. Whos available though, it is going to be towards the end of the month before we can grab what we need, ie, a slightly ageing PL A+ animal, surplus to "bigboys" requirements.
And can we please not use terms like "cancer" when talking about players, no matter how shite they are.
And Chris, it was obviously a joke, so wind your neck in.
So the word Cancer is banned from the site no matter what the definition?
Which bit of "when talking about players" did you miss?
Unless of course we hear of a player with cancer I suppose.
You want to hope you don't have a birthday in June - July too.And can we please not use terms like "cancer" when talking about players, no matter how shite they are.
And Chris, it was obviously a joke, so wind your neck in.
So the word Cancer is banned from the site no matter what the definition?
Jedinak has been mentioned, but not actually linked. I'd be happy with that. Would have liked Barton (I know, but look how well he did for Burnley). Charlie Adam could do a job. Flamini would be good.
And can we please not use terms like "cancer" when talking about players, no matter how shite they are.
And Chris, it was obviously a joke, so wind your neck in.
So the word Cancer is banned from the site no matter what the definition?
Which bit of "when talking about players" did you miss?
Unless of course we hear of a player with cancer I suppose.
And can we please not use terms like "cancer" when talking about players, no matter how shite they are.
And Chris, it was obviously a joke, so wind your neck in.
So the word Cancer is banned from the site no matter what the definition?
Which bit of "when talking about players" did you miss?
Unless of course we hear of a player with cancer I suppose.
.....or the player is a total dumb arse and is in to astrology 😉
And can we please not use terms like "cancer" when talking about players, no matter how shite they are.
And Chris, it was obviously a joke, so wind your neck in.
So the word Cancer is banned from the site no matter what the definition?
Which bit of "when talking about players" did you miss?
Unless of course we hear of a player with cancer I suppose.
And can we please not use terms like "cancer" when talking about players, no matter how shite they are.
And Chris, it was obviously a joke, so wind your neck in.
So the word Cancer is banned from the site no matter what the definition?
Which bit of "when talking about players" did you miss?
Unless of course we hear of a player with cancer I suppose.
Or if he was the rapper from 90's German pop act, Snap.And can we please not use terms like "cancer" when talking about players, no matter how shite they are.
And Chris, it was obviously a joke, so wind your neck in.
So the word Cancer is banned from the site no matter what the definition?
Which bit of "when talking about players" did you miss?
Unless of course we hear of a player with cancer I suppose.
.....or the player is a total dumb arse and is in to astrology 😉
Or is named Larry and likes a woman
That loves everything and everybody
You're right mate, some people like to make a mountain and all that.And can we please not use terms like "cancer" when talking about players, no matter how shite they are.
And Chris, it was obviously a joke, so wind your neck in.
So the word Cancer is banned from the site no matter what the definition?
Which bit of "when talking about players" did you miss?
Unless of course we hear of a player with cancer I suppose.
Since when did the word Cancer only relate to an Illness? There are other meanings of the word and one meaning is not too far off the mark when describing Gabby.
I'll let it go now, there seems to be a growing number of people waiting to leap on words looking for things that aren't there for a squabble. Get a grip.
One in three people will contract cancer. To the lucky ones who don't get it or have a loved one get it, it is a punchy word that grabs attention, to the unlucky ones it cuts deep.Agree, and well said.
One in three people will contract cancer. To the lucky ones who don't get it or have a loved one get it, it is a punchy word that grabs attention, to the unlucky ones it cuts deep.
Saw Mr Richards with his oppo Lescott today at BHM,the only 2 who wouldnt stop their car and sign shirts for the kids.In a twisted sort of way, that's very good news.
It wasn't so much offensive, just an over the top and unnecessary way to describe a player. Some people just go out of their way to sound as angry as possible.I agree with this Clampy, it's not so much about offence as asking whether we are going a bit over the top in describing what are essentially just underperforming footballers.
And all the best Joecrow.
Aston Villa have submitted a bid for Crystal Palace midfielder Mile Jedinak, according to a reliable journalist.Perfect
TalkSport reporter Callum Williams revealed on his personal Twitter account that the Championship side have made a move for the Premier League midfield enforcer
From Sky Sports Transfer Centre -
CELTIC MAKE SINCLAIR APPROACH
Celtic have made a fresh approach for Aston Villa forward Scott Sinclair, manager Roberto Di Matteo has confirmed
The Villa boss, speaking ahead of the club’s Championship opener against Sheffield Wednesday, confirmed the offer is being considered and a decision will be made within the next 24 hours.
Sky sources understand the clubs not far away from agreeing deal and expect agreement before Monday.
Taking a medical apparently.
Palace have taken the captaincy off him. Maybe at his age they don't see much of a future for him this season.Even if its for just one season he is exactly our answer.
Looks like we're going for a full leadership transplant, which I think is well advised.
Question marks over whether his legs have gone? He's only just turned 32 not 42!
What like lescott was this time last year?
Jedi is exactlay what we need. A big aggressive fucker to protect our back 4, not a pointy midget. Get him and I will be well happyThis. He's still got more than enough in his locker, particularly at this level. He's going to be a positive influence with a wealth of experience in an area we've lacked it for a while. He would make our CM look a lot better and compliment our younger talent there.
So we have 3 bids in then - would that be Jedinak, Hernandez and maybe Kodija?I'd buy that for a dollar.
If they come off and we get rid of the extra timber we're carrying the squad's going to start taking shape.
I'd be very pleased with Jedinak for this season, he could be a very useful player. Obviously there would be doubts about his long term usefulness given he seems surplus to requirements at Palace, so hopefully any contract will be sensible. But the absolute priority has to be getting promoted and for that he would seem a excellent fit.
Hernandez & Kodija in would mean Kozak & Ayew out. Seems agreeable.Ayew out doesn't seem agreeable to me. Not at all.
I can't see us buying three strikers in a week!
Naki Wells
😂Naki Wells
It's lovely but it's a long drive.
Jedinak imo would complete the spine of our team. A leader in the middle is something we badly need
The more i watch goals that Kodjia, Wells, McCormaack and Hernandez have scored, the more obvious it is that if we can get him fit, Adama is going to take some defences to bits.
If we can prize Jedinak away ... 3 former club captains through the spine ... with a Goal Keeper RDM has already handed the armband to would be an amazing transformation this summer
If we can prize Jedinak away ... 3 former club captains through the spine ... with a Goal Keeper RDM has already handed the armband to would be an amazing transformation this summer
I thought Elphick was the captain this year?
If we can prize Jedinak away ... 3 former club captains through the spine ... with a Goal Keeper RDM has already handed the armband to would be an amazing transformation this summer
I thought Elphick was the captain this year?
I think he means 3 captains @ their previous clubs i.e Jedinak, Elphick and McCormack
And can we please not use terms like "cancer" when talking about players, no matter how shite they are.
And Chris, it was obviously a joke, so wind your neck in.
So the word Cancer is banned from the site no matter what the definition?
Which bit of "when talking about players" did you miss?
Unless of course we hear of a player with cancer I suppose.
Over the top reaction by all. Cancer is not solely a medical term, and if the original poster was alluding to his supposed malign influence on the dressing room, it wouldn't be wide of the mark.
Just read Leeds aren't interested in Lescott 😢
Just read Leeds aren't interested in Lescott 😢
Probably the most disappointing news of the window so far
And can we please not use terms like "cancer" when talking about players, no matter how shite they are.
And Chris, it was obviously a joke, so wind your neck in.
So the word Cancer is banned from the site no matter what the definition?
Which bit of "when talking about players" did you miss?
Unless of course we hear of a player with cancer I suppose.
Over the top reaction by all. Cancer is not solely a medical term, and if the original poster was alluding to his supposed malign influence on the dressing room, it wouldn't be wide of the mark.
Of course it is, 'Cancer' is widely used as a metaphor in all sorts of situations. If anyone finds that offensive I suggest they grow a thicker skin.
And can we please not use terms like "cancer" when talking about players, no matter how shite they are.
And Chris, it was obviously a joke, so wind your neck in.
So the word Cancer is banned from the site no matter what the definition?
Which bit of "when talking about players" did you miss?
Unless of course we hear of a player with cancer I suppose.
Over the top reaction by all. Cancer is not solely a medical term, and if the original poster was alluding to his supposed malign influence on the dressing room, it wouldn't be wide of the mark.
Of course it is, 'Cancer' is widely used as a metaphor in all sorts of situations. If anyone finds that offensive I suggest they grow a thicker skin.
I suggest you accept that people find different things offensive.
And can we please not use terms like "cancer" when talking about players, no matter how shite they are.
And Chris, it was obviously a joke, so wind your neck in.
So the word Cancer is banned from the site no matter what the definition?
Which bit of "when talking about players" did you miss?
Unless of course we hear of a player with cancer I suppose.
Over the top reaction by all. Cancer is not solely a medical term, and if the original poster was alluding to his supposed malign influence on the dressing room, it wouldn't be wide of the mark.
Of course it is, 'Cancer' is widely used as a metaphor in all sorts of situations. If anyone finds that offensive I suggest they grow a thicker skin.
I suggest you accept that people find different things offensive.
I accept it, but that doesn't make it right. However I know you love nothing better than sitting a top your righteous high horse so I will leave it at that.
I think Krulaks legs have gone.And can we please not use terms like "cancer" when talking about players, no matter how shite they are.
And Chris, it was obviously a joke, so wind your neck in.
So the word Cancer is banned from the site no matter what the definition?
Which bit of "when talking about players" did you miss?
Unless of course we hear of a player with cancer I suppose.
Over the top reaction by all. Cancer is not solely a medical term, and if the original poster was alluding to his supposed malign influence on the dressing room, it wouldn't be wide of the mark.
Of course it is, 'Cancer' is widely used as a metaphor in all sorts of situations. If anyone finds that offensive I suggest they grow a thicker skin.
I suggest you accept that people find different things offensive.
I accept it, but that doesn't make it right. However I know you love nothing better than sitting a top your righteous high horse so I will leave it at that.
I am off ended.
but would love a General in the middle of the pitch.
Twitter is rife with talk of a meltdown signing - suggestions it's the return of Delph? 😯
Twitter is rife with talk of a meltdown signing - suggestions it's the return of Delph? 😯
Dr. Tony Xia @Dr_TonyXia 15s seconds ago
Dr. Tony Xia Retweeted .
Our plan is to add 7-8 new players . We have 3 bids ongoing and two loans negotiating.It will work out as planned.
Twitter is rife with talk of a meltdown signing - suggestions it's the return of Delph? 😯
Can only be Hans Krankl, Steve Bull, Carlton Palmer or Juninho.
This one did make me laugh
Villa Views
@ViewsVilla
If Delph were ever to return to #avfc it'd be Dr Xia charming him out of a wicker basket for our half time entertainment at Villa Park
Dr. Tony Xia @Dr_TonyXia 15s seconds ago
Dr. Tony Xia Retweeted .
Our plan is to add 7-8 new players . We have 3 bids ongoing and two loans negotiating.It will work out as planned.
Doesn't give much away does he.
And can we please not use terms like "cancer" when talking about players, no matter how shite they are.
And Chris, it was obviously a joke, so wind your neck in.
So the word Cancer is banned from the site no matter what the definition?
Which bit of "when talking about players" did you miss?
Unless of course we hear of a player with cancer I suppose.
Over the top reaction by all. Cancer is not solely a medical term, and if the original poster was alluding to his supposed malign influence on the dressing room, it wouldn't be wide of the mark.
Of course it is, 'Cancer' is widely used as a metaphor in all sorts of situations. If anyone finds that offensive I suggest they grow a thicker skin.
I suggest you accept that people find different things offensive.
I accept it, but that doesn't make it right. However I know you love nothing better than sitting a top your righteous high horse so I will leave it at that.
No Nakhi Wells in the Huddersfield team...not on the bench either.Injured all preseason.
Love a good conspiracy...
Were you an only child?And can we please not use terms like "cancer" when talking about players, no matter how shite they are.
And Chris, it was obviously a joke, so wind your neck in.
So the word Cancer is banned from the site no matter what the definition?
Which bit of "when talking about players" did you miss?
Unless of course we hear of a player with cancer I suppose.
Over the top reaction by all. Cancer is not solely a medical term, and if the original poster was alluding to his supposed malign influence on the dressing room, it wouldn't be wide of the mark.
Of course it is, 'Cancer' is widely used as a metaphor in all sorts of situations. If anyone finds that offensive I suggest they grow a thicker skin.
I suggest you accept that people find different things offensive.
I accept it, but that doesn't make it right. However I know you love nothing better than sitting a top your righteous high horse so I will leave it at that.
No, you'll just leave.
Such a predictable response.
No surprise that you are in the camp that lack the capacity to understand literary metaphor. Time and time again you show your lack of basic critical reasoning skills.
You are a genuine embarrassment to this website
Why do you ask that?He hasn't gone out of his way to say something that is aimed at another member to offend. You don't seem to be able to accept that and need the last word, usually insinuating a ban. Let the two people sort it out themselves, I'm sure they can come to an agreement without others putting their two cents in.
Such a predictable response.
No surprise that you are in the camp that lack the capacity to understand literary metaphor. Time and time again you show your lack of basic critical reasoning skills.
You are a genuine embarrassment to this website
You missed out the bit where you say you know you're going to get banned. Would you like another go?
Why do you ask that?He hasn't gone out of his way to say something that is aimed at another member to offend. You don't seem to be able to accept that and need the last word, usually insinuating a ban. Let the two people sort it out themselves, I'm sure they can come to an agreement without others putting their two cents in.
Such a predictable response.
No surprise that you are in the camp that lack the capacity to understand literary metaphor. Time and time again you show your lack of basic critical reasoning skills.
You are a genuine embarrassment to this website
You missed out the bit where you say you know you're going to get banned. Would you like another go?
Just let me recap here. This is because I able to understand context and don't find a relatively benign comment offensive. I wasn't in anyway rude just merely stated an opinion.
This site is on the whole moderated excellently, especially when compared to other football websites given that tempers often flare up.
It seems to me that save for the obvious trolls the vast majority of bannings that occur including many long standing posters seem to due to be disagreements with you.
I will let others be the judge of why that is.
Why do you ask that?He hasn't gone out of his way to say something that is aimed at another member to offend. You don't seem to be able to accept that and need the last word, usually insinuating a ban. Let the two people sort it out themselves, I'm sure they can come to an agreement without others putting their two cents in.
Why do you ask that?He hasn't gone out of his way to say something that is aimed at another member to offend. You don't seem to be able to accept that and need the last word, usually insinuating a ban. Let the two people sort it out themselves, I'm sure they can come to an agreement without others putting their two cents in.
Not that I need to justify myself to you or anyone else, I made one comment, namely that all posters should accept that others might find certain things offensive. How anyone can find fault or pick an argument with that is beyond me.
Why do you ask that?He hasn't gone out of his way to say something that is aimed at another member to offend. You don't seem to be able to accept that and need the last word, usually insinuating a ban. Let the two people sort it out themselves, I'm sure they can come to an agreement without others putting their two cents in.
Were you an only child?And can we please not use terms like "cancer" when talking about players, no matter how shite they are.
And Chris, it was obviously a joke, so wind your neck in.
So the word Cancer is banned from the site no matter what the definition?
Which bit of "when talking about players" did you miss?
Unless of course we hear of a player with cancer I suppose.
Over the top reaction by all. Cancer is not solely a medical term, and if the original poster was alluding to his supposed malign influence on the dressing room, it wouldn't be wide of the mark.
Of course it is, 'Cancer' is widely used as a metaphor in all sorts of situations. If anyone finds that offensive I suggest they grow a thicker skin.
I suggest you accept that people find different things offensive.
I accept it, but that doesn't make it right. However I know you love nothing better than sitting a top your righteous high horse so I will leave it at that.
No, you'll just leave.
I am one of the others and I find flip comments about carcinoma offensive. If anything the moderators in this site allow far too much latitude to posters who claim immunity because others take their comments at face value.
Why do you ask that?He hasn't gone out of his way to say something that is aimed at another member to offend. You don't seem to be able to accept that and need the last word, usually insinuating a ban. Let the two people sort it out themselves, I'm sure they can come to an agreement without others putting their two cents in.
Not that I need to justify myself to you or anyone else, I made one comment, namely that all posters should accept that others might find certain things offensive. How anyone can find fault or pick an argument with that is beyond me.
Quite
Another 3 or 4 signings in key areas and I'll feel a hell of a lot better about this season than I do now. I really hope Xia will come good with his promises.
Not seen any links but assombalonga could be a good shout
Screw the surname, it was Kieran I was struggling with.Not seen any links but assombalonga could be a good shout
No. People have enough trouble spelling 'Clark.'
Screw the surname, it was Kieran I was struggling with.Not seen any links but assombalonga could be a good shout
No. People have enough trouble spelling 'Clark.'
Di Matteo has confirmed Fiorentina want to sign Villa midfielder Carlos Sanchez.
“Sanchez? Fiorentina are interested, we are aware of this but at this moment there is no agreement between the parties,” Di Matteo said.
“He is an Aston Villa player and that will be the case until there is an agreement between the two clubs.”
Were you an only child?And can we please not use terms like "cancer" when talking about players, no matter how shite they are.
And Chris, it was obviously a joke, so wind your neck in.
So the word Cancer is banned from the site no matter what the definition?
Which bit of "when talking about players" did you miss?
Unless of course we hear of a player with cancer I suppose.
Over the top reaction by all. Cancer is not solely a medical term, and if the original poster was alluding to his supposed malign influence on the dressing room, it wouldn't be wide of the mark.
Of course it is, 'Cancer' is widely used as a metaphor in all sorts of situations. If anyone finds that offensive I suggest they grow a thicker skin.
I suggest you accept that people find different things offensive.
I accept it, but that doesn't make it right. However I know you love nothing better than sitting a top your righteous high horse so I will leave it at that.
No, you'll just leave.
I don't really understand why people are getting so upset that they can't use the word 'cancer'. If other people find it offensive why not show a bit of understanding and just use any number of words that get their meaning across without upsetting people.
Ah yes, the way to winning an argument is by being offensive it seems.
Were you an only child?And can we please not use terms like "cancer" when talking about players, no matter how shite they are.
And Chris, it was obviously a joke, so wind your neck in.
So the word Cancer is banned from the site no matter what the definition?
Which bit of "when talking about players" did you miss?
Unless of course we hear of a player with cancer I suppose.
Over the top reaction by all. Cancer is not solely a medical term, and if the original poster was alluding to his supposed malign influence on the dressing room, it wouldn't be wide of the mark.
Of course it is, 'Cancer' is widely used as a metaphor in all sorts of situations. If anyone finds that offensive I suggest they grow a thicker skin.
I suggest you accept that people find different things offensive.
I accept it, but that doesn't make it right. However I know you love nothing better than sitting a top your righteous high horse so I will leave it at that.
No, you'll just leave.
I don't really understand why people are getting so upset that they can't use the word 'cancer'. If other people find it offensive why not show a bit of understanding and just use any number of words that get their meaning across without upsetting people.
Ah yes, the way to winning an argument is by being offensive it seems.
Uh!? No it isn't, it's nothing like that at all.Were you an only child?And can we please not use terms like "cancer" when talking about players, no matter how shite they are.
And Chris, it was obviously a joke, so wind your neck in.
So the word Cancer is banned from the site no matter what the definition?
Which bit of "when talking about players" did you miss?
Unless of course we hear of a player with cancer I suppose.
Over the top reaction by all. Cancer is not solely a medical term, and if the original poster was alluding to his supposed malign influence on the dressing room, it wouldn't be wide of the mark.
Of course it is, 'Cancer' is widely used as a metaphor in all sorts of situations. If anyone finds that offensive I suggest they grow a thicker skin.
I suggest you accept that people find different things offensive.
I accept it, but that doesn't make it right. However I know you love nothing better than sitting a top your righteous high horse so I will leave it at that.
No, you'll just leave.
I don't really understand why people are getting so upset that they can't use the word 'cancer'. If other people find it offensive why not show a bit of understanding and just use any number of words that get their meaning across without upsetting people.
Ah yes, the way to winning an argument is by being offensive it seems.
It's like when white people say 'if those rappers can use the N word, how come I can't?' and I always think 'why do you want to?'
Depends on the context of meltdown? Someone so good that we should never be able to sign them? Or someone who has left us under a dark cloud? Who fits the bill for the latter? Barry, downing, Delph? Intrigued to be honest
I'm late to this, the word 'cancer' is offensive to some on here?
Depends on the context of meltdown? Someone so good that we should never be able to sign them? Or someone who has left us under a dark cloud? Who fits the bill for the latter? Barry, downing, Delph? Intrigued to be honest
Frank McAvennie has joined the backroom staff!Depends on the context of meltdown? Someone so good that we should never be able to sign them? Or someone who has left us under a dark cloud? Who fits the bill for the latter? Barry, downing, Delph? Intrigued to be honest
It's Steve H***e coming out of retirement. That would be proper meltdown territory.
Guys, without wishing to detract from anybody's right to freedom of expression, can we all move on from the argument. Agree to disagree, whatever it takes. Just draw a line under it please.
Were you an only child?And can we please not use terms like "cancer" when talking about players, no matter how shite they are.
And Chris, it was obviously a joke, so wind your neck in.
So the word Cancer is banned from the site no matter what the definition?
Which bit of "when talking about players" did you miss?
Unless of course we hear of a player with cancer I suppose.
Over the top reaction by all. Cancer is not solely a medical term, and if the original poster was alluding to his supposed malign influence on the dressing room, it wouldn't be wide of the mark.
Of course it is, 'Cancer' is widely used as a metaphor in all sorts of situations. If anyone finds that offensive I suggest they grow a thicker skin.
I suggest you accept that people find different things offensive.
I accept it, but that doesn't make it right. However I know you love nothing better than sitting a top your righteous high horse so I will leave it at that.
No, you'll just leave.
I'm late to this, the word 'cancer' is offensive to some on here?
Looks like it.
Were you an only child?And can we please not use terms like "cancer" when talking about players, no matter how shite they are.
And Chris, it was obviously a joke, so wind your neck in.
So the word Cancer is banned from the site no matter what the definition?
Which bit of "when talking about players" did you miss?
Unless of course we hear of a player with cancer I suppose.
Over the top reaction by all. Cancer is not solely a medical term, and if the original poster was alluding to his supposed malign influence on the dressing room, it wouldn't be wide of the mark.
Of course it is, 'Cancer' is widely used as a metaphor in all sorts of situations. If anyone finds that offensive I suggest they grow a thicker skin.
I suggest you accept that people find different things offensive.
I accept it, but that doesn't make it right. However I know you love nothing better than sitting a top your righteous high horse so I will leave it at that.
No, you'll just leave.
I'm an only child & I'm offended by whatever it is you're trying to insinuate!
Go on you may as well join in. What's offended you today, your lack of siblings?Were you an only child?And can we please not use terms like "cancer" when talking about players, no matter how shite they are.
And Chris, it was obviously a joke, so wind your neck in.
So the word Cancer is banned from the site no matter what the definition?
Which bit of "when talking about players" did you miss?
Unless of course we hear of a player with cancer I suppose.
Over the top reaction by all. Cancer is not solely a medical term, and if the original poster was alluding to his supposed malign influence on the dressing room, it wouldn't be wide of the mark.
Of course it is, 'Cancer' is widely used as a metaphor in all sorts of situations. If anyone finds that offensive I suggest they grow a thicker skin.
I suggest you accept that people find different things offensive.
I accept it, but that doesn't make it right. However I know you love nothing better than sitting a top your righteous high horse so I will leave it at that.
No, you'll just leave.
I'm an only child & I'm offended by whatever it is you're trying to insinuate!
Were you an only child?And can we please not use terms like "cancer" when talking about players, no matter how shite they are.
And Chris, it was obviously a joke, so wind your neck in.
So the word Cancer is banned from the site no matter what the definition?
Which bit of "when talking about players" did you miss?
Unless of course we hear of a player with cancer I suppose.
Over the top reaction by all. Cancer is not solely a medical term, and if the original poster was alluding to his supposed malign influence on the dressing room, it wouldn't be wide of the mark.
Of course it is, 'Cancer' is widely used as a metaphor in all sorts of situations. If anyone finds that offensive I suggest they grow a thicker skin.
I suggest you accept that people find different things offensive.
I accept it, but that doesn't make it right. However I know you love nothing better than sitting a top your righteous high horse so I will leave it at that.
No, you'll just leave.
I'm an only child & I'm offended by whatever it is you're trying to insinuate!
I can't agree, there are hundreds of things one might die from contracting, do we stop talking about accidents because someone on here might have a loved one who has died in an accident?
We've all got a thicker skin haven't we.
I can't agree, there are hundreds of things one might die from contracting, do we stop talking about accidents because someone on here might have a loved one who has died in an accident?
We've all got a thicker skin haven't we.
How about just not saying something that you've been told is offensive? It's not a case of saying they should have thicker skin, more one of basic politeness.
I can't agree, there are hundreds of things one might die from contracting, do we stop talking about accidents because someone on here might have a loved one who has died in an accident?
We've all got a thicker skin haven't we.
How about just not saying something that you've been told is offensive? It's not a case of saying they should have thicker skin, more one of basic politeness.
My basic politeness is urging me not to carry this disagreement any further. So I won't.
Could the "meltdown" transfer possibly be Ayew to West Brom?
http://www.espnfc.co.uk/story/2924542/west-brom-planning-move-for-aston-villas-jordan-ayew-sources
It's really simple - you (as an individual) don't get to decide whether someone else (another individual) might be offended by a word or situation or whatever - neither do you get to decide how offended they might feel.
You might feel differently but that has no bearing on the validity of their opinion.
If you know the use of a word or the context of how it is used will offend someone, then if you use it, you are being deliberately provocative, or offensive or just plain being a dick - the fact that you don't find it offensive is immaterial and to think otherwise reveals your ignorance (in my view).
If unsure - google the definition of 'opinion' and also 'fact' and compare the two - people can claim facts and if wrong can be corrected (politely) but opinions are personal and cannot be corrected - your opinion is equally valid, just not superior. UTV.
Ive got a head that looks a little bit like a knob .Dont you dare....I can't agree, there are hundreds of things one might die from contracting, do we stop talking about accidents because someone on here might have a loved one who has died in an accident?
We've all got a thicker skin haven't we.
How about just not saying something that you've been told is offensive? It's not a case of saying they should have thicker skin, more one of basic politeness.
My basic politeness is urging me not to carry this disagreement any further. So I won't.
You've been told by several people that they find a term offensive. I've said that in that case it might be a good idea not to use it. And I'm the bad guy?
It's really simple - you (as an individual) don't get to decide whether someone else (another individual) might be offended by a word or situation or whatever - neither do you get to decide how offended they might feel.
You might feel differently but that has no bearing on the validity of their opinion.
If you know the use of a word or the context of how it is used will offend someone, then if you use it, you are being deliberately provocative, or offensive or just plain being a dick - the fact that you don't find it offensive is immaterial and to think otherwise reveals your ignorance (in my view).
If unsure - google the definition of 'opinion' and also 'fact' and compare the two - people can claim facts and if wrong can be corrected (politely) but opinions are personal and cannot be corrected - your opinion is equally valid, just not superior. UTV.
Well no, I don't agree with this as a general proposition because it means all discourse would have to be conducted in terms acceptable to the most (over?) sensitive person in the audience. That being said I wouldn't personally have used the term that has caused offence in the context in which it was used.
I can't agree, there are hundreds of things one might die from contracting, do we stop talking about accidents because someone on here might have a loved one who has died in an accident?
We've all got a thicker skin haven't we.
How about just not saying something that you've been told is offensive? It's not a case of saying they should have thicker skin, more one of basic politeness.
My basic politeness is urging me not to carry this disagreement any further. So I won't.
You've been told by several people that they find a term offensive. I've said that in that case it might be a good idea not to use it. And I'm the bad guy?
I can't agree, there are hundreds of things one might die from contracting, do we stop talking about accidents because someone on here might have a loved one who has died in an accident?
We've all got a thicker skin haven't we.
How about just not saying something that you've been told is offensive? It's not a case of saying they should have thicker skin, more one of basic politeness.
My basic politeness is urging me not to carry this disagreement any further. So I won't.
You've been told by several people that they find a term offensive. I've said that in that case it might be a good idea not to use it. And I'm the bad guy?
I didn't call you that.
It's really simple - you (as an individual) don't get to decide whether someone else (another individual) might be offended by a word or situation or whatever - neither do you get to decide how offended they might feel.
You might feel differently but that has no bearing on the validity of their opinion.
If you know the use of a word or the context of how it is used will offend someone, then if you use it, you are being deliberately provocative, or offensive or just plain being a dick - the fact that you don't find it offensive is immaterial and to think otherwise reveals your ignorance (in my view).
If unsure - google the definition of 'opinion' and also 'fact' and compare the two - people can claim facts and if wrong can be corrected (politely) but opinions are personal and cannot be corrected - your opinion is equally valid, just not superior. UTV.
Well no, I don't agree with this as a general proposition because it means all discourse would have to be conducted in terms acceptable to the most (over?) sensitive person in the audience. That being said I wouldn't personally have used the term that has caused offence in the context in which it was used.
It's really simple - you (as an individual) don't get to decide whether someone else (another individual) might be offended by a word or situation or whatever - neither do you get to decide how offended they might feel.
You might feel differently but that has no bearing on the validity of their opinion.
If you know the use of a word or the context of how it is used will offend someone, then if you use it, you are being deliberately provocative, or offensive or just plain being a dick - the fact that you don't find it offensive is immaterial and to think otherwise reveals your ignorance (in my view).
If unsure - google the definition of 'opinion' and also 'fact' and compare the two - people can claim facts and if wrong can be corrected (politely) but opinions are personal and cannot be corrected - your opinion is equally valid, just not superior. UTV.
Sorry, yes let's move on.
Don't take offence to this (actually you can if you like) bit this isn't the thread for a debate on morality. It's a thread for which players we should/can sign to get us back into the Prem pronto.
Chris Forrester with two goals today for Peterborough. Surprised they have been able to hold onto him so far in the transfer window. They made him captain a few weeks back.
Were you an only child?And can we please not use terms like "cancer" when talking about players, no matter how shite they are.
And Chris, it was obviously a joke, so wind your neck in.
So the word Cancer is banned from the site no matter what the definition?
Which bit of "when talking about players" did you miss?
Unless of course we hear of a player with cancer I suppose.
Over the top reaction by all. Cancer is not solely a medical term, and if the original poster was alluding to his supposed malign influence on the dressing room, it wouldn't be wide of the mark.
Of course it is, 'Cancer' is widely used as a metaphor in all sorts of situations. If anyone finds that offensive I suggest they grow a thicker skin.
I suggest you accept that people find different things offensive.
I accept it, but that doesn't make it right. However I know you love nothing better than sitting a top your righteous high horse so I will leave it at that.
No, you'll just leave.
I'm an only child & I'm offended by whatever it is you're trying to insinuate!
Why are you offended ?
What is being insinuated ?
Chris Forrester with two goals today for Peterborough. Surprised they have been able to hold onto him so far in the transfer window. They made him captain a few weeks back.
What ever happened to harry forrester? He looked like a cracking prospect at one point?
What the hell is going on in this thread.
Christ almighty.
this meltdown talk originates from a post on VT from 'Richard' who, I think, was merely responding to a host of silly puns relating in some form to the word egg - he then posted a picture of two melting eggs with the strapline prepare for a meltdown , or words to that effect.
With some fire, scarecrow.
Chris Forrester with two goals today for Peterborough. Surprised they have been able to hold onto him so far in the transfer window. They made him captain a few weeks back.
Chris Forrester with two goals today for Peterborough. Surprised they have been able to hold onto him so far in the transfer window. They made him captain a few weeks back.
Without checking Wikipedia - young, Irish, probably signed from somewhere like Cork or Dundalk a couple of years ago, done very little since coming to England?
With some fire, scarecrow.
That makes it go hard, you pleb.
I'm late to this, the word 'cancer' is offensive to some on here?
Looks like it.
Yep, to some it is. Different opinion and all that.
Would Ayew leaving really cause a meltdown??
Meltdown signing implies that it is someone we are signing, which makes no sense unless it was Delph on loan, which also makes no sense.
Excellent player, though doesn't he play exactly the position that McCormack, ayew and grealish all want to play in?
Would rather we prioritise a right sided midfielder, a mobile no 9, a dominating central midfielder, and a right back
True. I guess he's unproven. I think jedinak would be a good option
I'd love us to get Giovinco from my Toronto FC. He's not an out and out striker, plays a little deeper usually, almost in an attacking midfield spot. Yet hattrick tonight in a 4-1 win making it 15 goals in 22 games. He has been amazing since joining, but I am convinced he could do it at a higher level.I was out in Toronto with work early July and went to Toronto v Chicago and thought Giovinco was fantastic, easily the best player on the pitch with great vision. Good atmosphere at the game as well- really enjoyed my night evening there- I even bought a Toronto FC cap (Adidas quality was so good)
Has Ayew gone to the baggies yet?
He would leapfrog Hodge and Delph if that happened.
Just watching the (bad) channel 5 highlights programme
Striking how many goals coming from corners. There were suggestions RDM wants a set piece specialist. That would be a really good shout
Has Ayew gone to the baggies yet?
He would leapfrog Hodge and Delph if that happened.
I know it's all relative and it's part of the game, but I'm really beginning not to care about players leaving. They all do - they're not tied down to Villa for life. If he joins West Brom, so what? He's good, potentially very good but not great. If he sits out his contract and leaves for say, Marseilles, he wouldn't be looked back on as a Villa legend, so does it really matter? As long as the lot on the pitch give their all that's what matters.
The programme was terrible. The editing was crap, and Michael Gray is about as interesting as a plank of wood.Just watching the (bad) channel 5 highlights programme
Striking how many goals coming from corners. There were suggestions RDM wants a set piece specialist. That would be a really good shout
It was awful, wasn't it? I particularly liked the parts where they missed out the highlights and went straight into punditry (used loosely).
Haven't we already got Westwood for that? On a more serious note - McCormack?
Has Ayew gone to the baggies yet?
He would leapfrog Hodge and Delph if that happened.
I know it's all relative and it's part of the game, but I'm really beginning not to care about players leaving. They all do - they're not tied down to Villa for life. If he joins West Brom, so what? He's good, potentially very good but not great. If he sits out his contract and leaves for say, Marseilles, he wouldn't be looked back on as a Villa legend, so does it really matter? As long as the lot on the pitch give their all that's what matters.
I think the last time I really cared about a player leaving was Tony Morley to Albion. Then it really hurt when I saw him wear a Small Heath shirt on loan. As for last season's bunch I would happily drive them to wherever they wanted to go and wouldn't even ask them for the petrol money.
Now that Sinclair has gone and the number 9 shirt is vacant can we please recruit someone who is fit to wear it. A proper centre forward.
Number 9, right back, centre mid, attacking mid. Bare minimum and have to be players that walk in to the side, not that that's much of a benchmark.
Number 9, right back, centre mid, attacking mid. Bare minimum and have to be players that walk in to the side, not that that's much of a benchmark.Yep. This. I'd like a bit more experience and some more decent characters too. Elphick and McCormack is a good start. They have the right mentality.
Our next six won't be as difficult as this. On paper...
gulp.
We better get some players in quick.
Can we sign some actual midfielders please?
Can we sign some actual midfielders please?
Can we sign some actual midfielders please?
Thought you said Gardner was decent at this level?
Crying out for some mobility. Nothing novel, but Gestede without Amavi's delivery is pointless.
Jedinak is just what we need and I'd still like Vertoute to have a run in this league.
I know...still think there's a ball player in there. Looks as though he's toast though...Jedinak is just what we need and I'd still like Vertoute to have a run in this league.
Hardly a good sign for Veretout that he didnt even make the bench today
I'd forgotten we still have him!I know...still think there's a ball player in there. Looks as though he's toast though...Jedinak is just what we need and I'd still like Vertoute to have a run in this league.
Hardly a good sign for Veretout that he didnt even make the bench today
Jedinak is just what we need and I'd still like Vertoute to have a run in this league.
Hardly a good sign for Veretout that he didnt even make the bench today
Jedinak is just what we need and I'd still like Vertoute to have a run in this league.
Hardly a good sign for Veretout that he didnt even make the bench today
I think that will be because he's rubbish.
Jedinak is just what we need and I'd still like Vertoute to have a run in this league.
Hardly a good sign for Veretout that he didnt even make the bench today
I think that will be because he's rubbish.
I think Veretout has plenty of talent.
Jedinak is just what we need and I'd still like Vertoute to have a run in this league.
Hardly a good sign for Veretout that he didnt even make the bench today
I think that will be because he's rubbish.
Can we sign some actual midfielders please?
Thought you said Gardner was decent at this level?
Crying out for some mobility. Nothing novel, but Gestede without Amavi's delivery is pointless.
Club have told Veretout he can leave on loan so can't see him featuring unless he dosen't get a move.
Gardner alongside a physical/combative partner could work I suppose. Someone to do the graft, while he sits back and sprays the passes. Maybe Tish could develop into that player
That's because he didn't do much defending. Interesting to note that Alan Hutton forced the opposition deeper. Alan Hutton.
Cissokho was dire. No need to play the back pass either.
Judging on his buys today RDM seems to know what he's doing. A more mobile striker then Gestede and a creative box to box midfielder plus a leader in the middle of the park will help. I would love to see a proper winger on one side.
Jedinak is just what we need and I'd still like Vertoute to have a run in this league.
. While the names of Westwood, Bacuna, Cissoko, Hutton and Gestede get on the team sheet every week on the nod and better players either do not even make the bench or get a quarter of an hour game time we will not put the string of wins together needed to end the slow motion car crash. An air of urgency is needed at Villa Park. It is not apparent, least not to me.
We're being a little harsh aren't we?
Xia has been in since June and we're expecting all matters to be resolved? We have players, like all teams, who aren't quite up to speed on fitness for one reason or another. The difference is that ours are better than most. Despite that, we played one of the better sides in the league, saw a nothing first half where we were poor and dominated them in the second.
Incoming players are being actively worked on. The manager has told us, as has the chairman.
I really don't think the criticism is justified at all.
Well, for starters, Ads is fifty years younger than I am and I would guess the average age of posters on here is about 40. You have time to appreciate a less urgent approach, I don't have that luxury.
Well, for starters, Ads is fifty years younger than I am and I would guess the average age of posters on here is about 40. You have time to appreciate a less urgent approach, I don't have that luxury. But personal reasons apart to address the question who are these players we have who are better than those who fill the team sheet as a foregone conclusion, I give you Grealish, Hepburn-Murphy, Lyden, Toner, Bennett, Green and Davis for starters, all of whom (except Davis whom I have not seen) impressed me in pre season. Add to those Veretout (who has not had a fraction of the slack cut for Westwood) and Traore and Amavi when fit and I see absolutely no reason why we need, from here on in, to go on picking proven losing players.
Yes Clampy, and I have, as you have I am sure, followed them in the lower leagues when things were as dark as they are now. I could not do another four or five years of home and away support in the football basement. My heart is in it but my legs have gone.
I find it a bit strange that 3 bids plus loan deals were made last Thursday/ Friday and nothing has been said since. Normally you'd expect some replies by now?
I find it a bit strange that 3 bids plus loan deals were made last Thursday/ Friday and nothing has been said since. Normally you'd expect some replies by now?
I find it a bit strange that 3 bids plus loan deals were made last Thursday/ Friday and nothing has been said since. Normally you'd expect some replies by now?
They probably have but don't feel the need to update Joe Public on the details.
St. Etienne now in negotiations for a season long loan for Veretout according to French media
I find it a bit strange that 3 bids plus loan deals were made last Thursday/ Friday and nothing has been said since. Normally you'd expect some replies by now?
I'm surprised we are looking at moving him as we seem a little short of numbers in midfield.
Ravel Morrison, come on down! (And be Veretouts replacement).
St. Etienne now in negotiations for a season long loan for Veretout according to French media
St. Etienne now in negotiations for a season long loan for Veretout according to French media
Good news, nothing can stop us now.
His level may not be much above Hobart Paving FC.
St. Etienne now in negotiations for a season long loan for Veretout according to French media
Good news, nothing can stop us now.
Thank you OMVF. That is exactly the point I have been trying to make. You have to mesh the young players in. It is not either or. I am okay about the Wednesday result. My moan is that ever since Houllier we have put caution at the top of our priorities and it got us ultimately relegated with 17 points. I knew from the minute I saw the line up against Boro that our season would start with a belt and braces approach to games. Let's be really daring and take a risk or two on emerging talent. I would bet any amount that given the pitch time Rushian Hepburn-Murphy would score more goals than Rudy Gestede, crosses into the box or no crosses into the box.This is very much my view, and has been since earlier this year.
The system and team is very Lambert. Until both change radically we will not get any where.Thank you OMVF. That is exactly the point I have been trying to make. You have to mesh the young players in. It is not either or. I am okay about the Wednesday result. My moan is that ever since Houllier we have put caution at the top of our priorities and it got us ultimately relegated with 17 points. I knew from the minute I saw the line up against Boro that our season would start with a belt and braces approach to games. Let's be really daring and take a risk or two on emerging talent. I would bet any amount that given the pitch time Rushian Hepburn-Murphy would score more goals than Rudy Gestede, crosses into the box or no crosses into the box.This is very much my view, and has been since earlier this year.
The game yesterday was crying out for Andre Green to come on, and the substitution was about 10 minutes overdue when he finally did. Both Davis and RH-M would be worth playing now that McCormack is in the side because he knows how it works in the division and has the maturity to help them. Add someone like Jedinak and the case gets stronger.
As I said before, we're shedding midfielders whilst the likes of Bacuna and Westwood prevail. Need replacements quickly!I'm no fan of Bacuna by any stretch and he's really got to do a lot to get onside with the fans again, but he looked more than good enough at this level yesterday. 2nd half particularly, most of what we created was coming through him and he looked willing to run at players and deliver crosses.
Mirror reporting we are after James Chester as Clarks replacementI'd be happy with that to be honest.
How much though? Didn't he cost £8m or something like that?If we pay what we got for Clark I'd be happy. Too much over that and I'm not sure. He had a good Euro's but he's not been a regular for the shites.
Mirror reporting we are after James Chester as Clarks replacement
His level may not be much above Hobart Paving FC.
The conversation might go:
"Join our club" - Saint Etienne
"You're in a bad way" - Veretout
"Who do you think you are" - fans
That awkward moment he'll be playing in front of bigger home crowds in division 2 than he was in the top flight with the 'pride of the Midlands'.
For some reason I was really excited that we'd beaten Leicester to his signature. Funny old game.
That awkward moment he'll be playing in front of bigger home crowds in division 2 than he was in the top flight with the 'pride of the Midlands'.
If ever there was a phrase that summed up the underselling of Ellis in the 90's it was that and "The Man Utd of the Midlands".
FUCK OFF. We're the Aston Villa of the world.
Didn't they only sign Kante because we beat them to Veretout?
Mirror reporting we are after James Chester as Clarks replacement
That would be an excellent signing, proven in the championship and more than good enough to stay in the first team when we get promoted. Pleased if true.
If he had joined then though, Kante may not have done. I think there is a really good player in Veretout. A season loan and then see him next summer might be good for both. We should be in a better place to know how we are paying and he might have the confidence to fit in.
If he had joined then though, Kante may not have done. I think there is a really good player in Veretout. A season loan and then see him next summer might be good for both. We should be in a better place to know how we are paying and he might have the confidence to fit in.
I want him to stay. I think we've got in a habit of slagging every player from last season, Vertout doesn't deserve it. He was 22, an a year off being ready for the PL according to his former coach, President and French pundits. We played him out of position and then blame him for not pulling up trees. For me, he reminds me of Frank Carrodus and right now he's exactly the type of player we need around the squad.
Sending him off on-loan is a delaying tactic of releasing him next season for peanuts. He deserves his chance to grow and prove himself. I'll be disappointed if he goes as we're not exactly full of talent in midfield right now.
If Veretout is behind himself for the number 10 position then he must be really bad.But I also hear there's a chance Veretout might be bought back into the fold and be above Veretout and Veretout in the pecking order. Just a whisper mind you.
If Veretout is behind himself for the number 10 position then he must be really bad.But I also hear there's a chance Veretout might be bought back into the fold and be above Veretout and Veretout in the pecking order. Just a whisper mind you.
And make 5?If Veretout is behind himself for the number 10 position then he must be really bad.But I also hear there's a chance Veretout might be bought back into the fold and be above Veretout and Veretout in the pecking order. Just a whisper mind you.
We should put Veretout and Vetetout together.
Joe Bennett is being sold to Sheff Wednesday today, according to the Meaning Evil.
sadly Veretout is more Mangetout
Joe Bennett is being sold to Sheff Wednesday today, according to the Meaning Evil.
how bad is he when you look at Cissokho getting in front of him
Bennett will be no great loss, pity as he looked OK for half a season as did Lowton and Westwood.I can't remember JB looking good at any point - he had some decent crosses and pace going forward - but defensively - jeez. Cissokho is just as crap going forward (and making decisions) as JB was defending.
I'd like to see us buy Rico Henry off Walsall to replace him, think he can step up a level with ease. Also it would be nice to take Brady off Norwich.
jedinak says he doesnt want to move but could be bs as its up to Palace If they are going to play him or not.
I would take Sako from Palace in a heart beat.
Yet another departure. This squad depth and quality worries me. I just can't see promotion with the current players. Need more quality - what happens when the inevitable injuries/suspensions kick-in over 46 league games plus any cup games?
I would take Sako from Palace in a heart beat.
just read that Ayew is off to West Ham on loan - must be bollocks?They've put a bid in or maybe signed his brother. Is that the link you mean?
Yet another departure. This squad depth and quality worries me. I just can't see promotion with the current players. Need more quality - what happens when the inevitable injuries/suspensions kick-in over 46 league games plus any cup games?
Dr. Tony Xia @Dr_TonyXia 2m2 minutes ago
Very exciting news for fans: very close to a deal with the mid! Hopefully b4 Saturday!
Morrison? Jedinak?
I would take Sako from Palace in a heart beat.
The one who was at Wolves?
Yet another departure. This squad depth and quality worries me. I just can't see promotion with the current players. Need more quality - what happens when the inevitable injuries/suspensions kick-in over 46 league games plus any cup games?
Dr. Tony Xia @Dr_TonyXia 2m2 minutes ago
Very exciting news for fans: very close to a deal with the mid! Hopefully b4 Saturday!
Morrison? Jedinak?
New 5 year double your money deal for Ashley Westwood.
I would take Sako from Palace in a heart beat.
The one who was at Wolves?
Not sure at all, he looks like one of those players with amazing talent but struggles to fit into a team. I think Traore is a similar enigma, if we ever get him fit enough to play.
Dr Tony, has tweeted that Midfielder is expected to join very soonPogba on a season long loan
....any guesses who this could be?
heart says morrison, head says jedinak
heart says morrison, head says jedinak
Hope it's your head that's right!
Why the clamour for Morrison? Isn't he a c*** that makes our c***s from last season look like good pro's?
Bennett will be no great loss, pity as he looked OK for half a season as did Lowton and Westwood.
I'd like to see us buy Rico Henry off Walsall to replace him, think he can step up a level with ease. Also it would be nice to take Brady off Norwich.
heart says morrison, head says jedinak
Sorry if it has already been picked up on but the news strap on the Paddy Power sports channel says Bristol City will only release Kidujia for £10 million to a Premiership club.
I suppose the thing with Morrison is that he's got to grow up and stop being a twat at sometime. Hasn't he?
Bloody good player, but so was Joey Barton.
Why the clamour for Morrison? Isn't he a c*** that makes our c***s from last season look like good pro's?
Joey Barton isn't in the same league as Morrison when it comes to pure talent. Interesting article:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/row-zed/rio-ferdinand-reveals-manchester-united-8561428
Why the clamour for Morrison? Isn't he a c*** that makes our c***s from last season look like good pro's?
Exactly I don't get it. I know everyone is desperate for signings but he has never actually achieved anything in his career.
Jedinak on the other hand would be an excellent signing.
Joey Barton isn't in the same league as Morrison when it comes to pure talent. Interesting article:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/row-zed/rio-ferdinand-reveals-manchester-united-8561428
I hope we sign him, and also hope that by playing actual games he will keep himself out of trouble. It is probably his last chance in England.
West Ham fans at work said he was superb for them (although he only played about 20 games...).
Sorry if it has already been picked up on but the news strap on the Paddy Power sports channel says Bristol City will only release Kodija for £10 million to a Premiership club.
Joey Barton isn't in the same league as Morrison when it comes to pure talent. Interesting article:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/row-zed/rio-ferdinand-reveals-manchester-united-8561428
I hope we sign him, and also hope that by playing actual games he will keep himself out of trouble. It is probably his last chance in England.
West Ham fans at work said he was superb for them (although he only played about 20 games...).
I suppose you'd have to ask yourself whether you'd be happy to employ a wife-beating, homophobic witness intimidator who has more natural talent than almost every other English player. Quid pro quo....
Doctor Tone did say it would be 'very exciting news'. Would Morrison go down as very exciting news bearing in mind it's been rumoured for a good while now?
Doctor Tone did say it would be 'very exciting news'. Would Morrison go down as very exciting news bearing in mind it's been rumoured for a good while now?
A lot of unofficial Twitter feeds saying Morrison medical by Thursday with a view to signing on Friday.
Fuck it, whats the worst that can happen?Egotistical twats running riot in the dressing room?
Fuck it, whats the worst that can happen?Egotistical twats running riot in the dressing room?
Hello season 2016/17. Take a look at your better looking brother 2015/16.
If we do sign him, I am going to have to sit in a dark room and force myself not to think about a Supermarket every time I read his name. Wasn't it Tolstoy who used to sit in a darkened room and force himself not to think about a white bear? I can do it, I can do it. I really can.
If we do sign him, I am going to have to sit in a dark room and force myself not to think about a Supermarket every time I read his name. Wasn't it Tolstoy who used to sit in a darkened room and force himself not to think about a white bear? I can do it, I can do it. I really can.
No but he did at the sty.If we do sign him, I am going to have to sit in a dark room and force myself not to think about a Supermarket every time I read his name. Wasn't it Tolstoy who used to sit in a darkened room and force himself not to think about a white bear? I can do it, I can do it. I really can.
Why will signing him make you keep thinking of Tesco, Brian? Did he have a loan spell at the Yawnthorns?
Fuck it, whats the worst that can happen?Egotistical twats running riot in the dressing room?
Hello season 2016/17. Take a look at your better looking brother 2015/16.
I understand the concerns but he wasn't any trouble at West Ham, other than refusing to sign up with his manager's agent.
Fuck it, whats the worst that can happen?Egotistical twats running riot in the dressing room?
Hello season 2016/17. Take a look at your better looking brother 2015/16.
I understand the concerns but he wasn't any trouble at West Ham, other than refusing to sign up with his manager's agent.
But a monumental pain in the arse everywhere else. Didn't exactly endear himself to Lazio in what should have been the biggest opportunity to ressurect his career. And that was after West Ham, where he'd been "no trouble" had terminated his contract early
If we're kind and ignore the 2 seasons at Man Utd, including the 1 back after his first season at WHU, he's played 70 games in 7 seasons and couldn't even hold down a regular spot in the 2012/13 version of our snot wiping neighbours. with Lee Clark trying to terminate his loan in October such was his negative impact.
He might well come good, but he can do it elsewhere. We don't need unnecessary gambles. We need bona fide contributors.
"I would not hesitate if you called me, Aston Villa"
Agent Dave's tweeted we've met the buy out clause and he's on his way
Fuck it, whats the worst that can happen?Egotistical twats running riot in the dressing room?
Hello season 2016/17. Take a look at your better looking brother 2015/16.
I understand the concerns but he wasn't any trouble at West Ham, other than refusing to sign up with his manager's agent.
But a monumental pain in the arse everywhere else. Didn't exactly endear himself to Lazio in what should have been the biggest opportunity to ressurect his career. And that was after West Ham, where he'd been "no trouble" had terminated his contract early
If we're kind and ignore the 2 seasons at Man Utd, including the 1 back after his first season at WHU, he's played 70 games in 7 seasons and couldn't even hold down a regular spot in the 2012/13 version of our snot wiping neighbours. with Lee Clark trying to terminate his loan in October such was his negative impact.
He might well come good, but he can do it elsewhere. We don't need unnecessary gambles. We need bona fide contributors.
So now I have got Morrison's, Fernando, the Abba cuties in Lurex hotpants singing Waterloo and the African Car Reverser not to think about.
So now I have got Morrison's, Fernando, the Abba cuties in Lurex hotpants singing Waterloo and the African Car Reverser not to think about.
So now I have got Morrison's, Fernando, the Abba cuties in Lurex hotpants singing Waterloo and the African Car Reverser not to think about.
So if we buy Hernandez, does that give us the two top scorers from last season Championship?
So now I have got Morrison's, Fernando, the Abba cuties in Lurex hotpants singing Waterloo and the African Car Reverser not to think about.
Fuck it, whats the worst that can happen?Egotistical twats running riot in the dressing room?
Hello season 2016/17. Take a look at your better looking brother 2015/16.
I understand the concerns but he wasn't any trouble at West Ham, other than refusing to sign up with his manager's agent.
But a monumental pain in the arse everywhere else. Didn't exactly endear himself to Lazio in what should have been the biggest opportunity to ressurect his career. And that was after West Ham, where he'd been "no trouble" had terminated his contract early
If we're kind and ignore the 2 seasons at Man Utd, including the 1 back after his first season at WHU, he's played 70 games in 7 seasons and couldn't even hold down a regular spot in the 2012/13 version of our snot wiping neighbours. with Lee Clark trying to terminate his loan in October such was his negative impact.
He might well come good, but he can do it elsewhere. We don't need unnecessary gambles. We need bona fide contributors.
Hernandez, Morrison, Chester, and Jedinak in and we will have the best squad in the championship by some margin. Add loans of McNair and Bamford and we look very strong indeed.
Plus no Gabby, Richards, Lescott, Guzan, Bennett, Gana, Richardson and NZogbia on the wage bill or stinking out the dressing room.
Superb team management from Tony, Wyness and RDM.
So now I have got Morrison's, Fernando, the Abba cuties in Lurex hotpants singing Waterloo and the African Car Reverser not to think about.yes, but what about the Devil's avocado, as per your post on the previous page, Brian?
Hernandez, Morrison, Chester, and Jedinak in and we will have the best squad in the championship by some margin. Add loans of McNair and Bamford and we look very strong indeed.
Plus no Gabby, Richards, Lescott, Guzan, Bennett, Gana, Richardson and NZogbia on the wage bill or stinking out the dressing room.
Superb team management from Tony, Wyness and RDM.
You do realise most of that hasn't come to fruition?
Paddy McNair off to Sunderland along with Donald Love according to Sky Sports News. Permanent deals.
There was a character on one of the old GTA games called Donald Love
Hernandez, Morrison, Chester, and Jedinak in and we will have the best squad in the championship by some margin. Add loans of McNair and Bamford and we look very strong indeed.
Plus no Gabby, Richards, Lescott, Guzan, Bennett, Gana, Richardson and NZogbia on the wage bill or stinking out the dressing room.
Superb team management from Tony, Wyness and RDM.
You do realise most of that hasn't come to fruition?
Virtually none of it
Hernandez, Morrison, Chester, and Jedinak in and we will have the best squad in the championship by some margin. Add loans of McNair and Bamford and we look very strong indeed.
Plus no Gabby, Richards, Lescott, Guzan, Bennett, Gana, Richardson and NZogbia on the wage bill or stinking out the dressing room.
Superb team management from Tony, Wyness and RDM.
You do realise most of that hasn't come to fruition?
Virtually none of it
Yes of course I do, hence its on the rumours and speculation thread. I am merely saying that if that is the way we go (as is being heavily speculated) it would leave us very strong.
http://www.squawka.com/news/fiorentina-confirm-the-signing-of-carlos-sanchez-from-aston-villa/743720Great Fro, not much cop otherwise.
Fiorentina have confirmed the signing of Colombian international midfielder Carlos Sanchez from Aston Villa.
The Serie A side announced the news via their official Twitter account this evening and the 30-year-old becomes manager Paulo Sousa’s fourth permanent signing of the summer transfer window after the arrivals of Davide Astori, Bartlomiej Dragowskis, Kevin Diks and Ianis Hagi.
http://www.squawka.com/news/fiorentina-confirm-the-signing-of-carlos-sanchez-from-aston-villa/743720
Fiorentina have confirmed the signing of Colombian international midfielder Carlos Sanchez from Aston Villa.
The Serie A side announced the news via their official Twitter account this evening and the 30-year-old becomes manager Paulo Sousa’s fourth permanent signing of the summer transfer window after the arrivals of Davide Astori, Bartlomiej Dragowskis, Kevin Diks and Ianis Hagi.
If we sign Morrison it should be on no more than a season long contract. Realistically, why will we be the club who finally tames him and bring his outstanding natural ability consistently to the fore?
If we sign Morrison it should be on no more than a season long contract. Realistically, why will we be the club who finally tames him and bring his outstanding natural ability consistently to the fore?
we arent a turd polishing club, who was the last wild one we turned around?
Curcic, Collymore, Ireland - they all take the piss and we end up chasing them out
we have a squad where confidence is at rock bottom and with a lot of young impressionable lads coming through
we need this clown like a hole in the head
If we sign Morrison it should be on no more than a season long contract. Realistically, why will we be the club who finally tames him and bring his outstanding natural ability consistently to the fore?
we arent a turd polishing club, who was the last wild one we turned around?
Curcic, Collymore, Ireland - they all take the piss and we end up chasing them out
we have a squad where confidence is at rock bottom and with a lot of young impressionable lads coming through
we need this clown like a hole in the head
Nick Mashiter has tweeted that Paddy Reilly is at the Molineux
Is he still employed by us ?
Haven't watched a lot of Serie A in the past few years but if he has time to dwell on the ball, Sanchez might do alright over there. Possibly a better fit from the beginning. Any figure yet of what we recouped
from the sale?
Jedinak or Ledley not Jedinak & Ledley
Totally agree, perhaps Pardew would be silly enough to think Westwood is a Prem standard player....&....we'd promise to never mention 'the dad dance' again :-)Jedinak or Ledley not Jedinak & Ledley
Interested in both, but would be happy with either. I was simply stating both would walk into the side in front of what we have. I personally with Sanchez Gana and Veretout leaving would think we need at least 2, maybe 3 central midfielders. Straight swap the 2 of them for Westwood.
Joe Ledley? Any good? Underwhelming or a good potential signing? I don't know a great deal about him.
Joe Ledley? Any good? Underwhelming or a good potential signing? I don't know a great deal about him.
Joe Ledley? Any good? Underwhelming or a good potential signing? I don't know a great deal about him.
Certainly good enough for where we find ourselves. Left footed as well, so would give the midfield a better balance.
Joe Ledley? Any good? Underwhelming or a good potential signing? I don't know a great deal about him.
Certainly good enough for where we find ourselves. Left footed as well, so would give the midfield a better balance.
As the Welsh sing:
AIN'T NOBODY
LIKE JOE LEDLEY
MAKES ME HAPPY
MAKES ME FEEL THIS WAY
Chaka Khan!
I do think Westwood is made the scapegoat for our woes. He played alright in the second half the other day. He's not brilliant, but he's nowhere near as poor as he's made out to be.
In the Championship you need battlers, players who are prepared to get stuck in, a bit like Barton did for Burnley last season
Jedinak - to be honest never really noticed him, but it would appear as though he is the fans choice to do the battling role in midfield, so I bow to other people's knowledge of him
This rumour of a new midfielder coming in that will "excite" fans is very intriguing...will it be a young battling Championship level midfielder, or an experienced Premier League player...may be a current or former international player. Hopefully we'll get a couple of decent and experienced new players that can hit the ground running in midfield soon.
I do think Westwood is made the scapegoat for our woes. He played alright in the second half the other day. He's not brilliant, but he's nowhere near as poor as he's made out to be.
In the position he plays, he goes missing too much. Further up the field he can get away with it. I do think people say he is ok because they are thinking about when he has the ball but study him when he does not have the ball.
I do think Westwood is made the scapegoat for our woes. He played alright in the second half the other day. He's not brilliant, but he's nowhere near as poor as he's made out to be.
In the position he plays, he goes missing too much. Further up the field he can get away with it. I do think people say he is ok because they are thinking about when he has the ball but study him when he does not have the ball.
I know what Westwood's best position is.
Then maybe he's not being played in the right position. His use of the ball on Sunday was decent.
Joe Ledley? Any good? Underwhelming or a good potential signing? I don't know a great deal about him.
Certainly good enough for where we find ourselves. Left footed as well, so would give the midfield a better balance.
As the Welsh sing:
AIN'T NOBODY
LIKE JOE LEDLEY
MAKES ME HAPPY
MAKES ME FEEL THIS WAY
Chaka Khan!
I do think Westwood is made the scapegoat for our woes. He played alright in the second half the other day. He's not brilliant, but he's nowhere near as poor as he's made out to be.
In the position he plays, he goes missing too much. Further up the field he can get away with it. I do think people say he is ok because they are thinking about when he has the ball but study him when he does not have the ball.
Then maybe he's not being played in the right position. His use of the ball on Sunday was decent.
Given the choice I'd take Ledley
I must be the only one totally underwhelmed by the links to Ledley/Jedinak.
Not that either are bad players, I just find them both incredibly average and I assumed with the recent outgoings the idea was to rid ourselves of those type of player.
Pat Murphy:-
Understand Lescott & Agbonlahor r part of the @AVFCOfficial exit strategy,announced soon. Bit complicated at mo.But Richards in RDM's plans.
And
Jedinak & Hernandez under review by @AVFCOfficial but no bids as yet for them. RDM considering others as well. Working thro' his list.
I have no issue with Ayew going particularly for the fee of 12 million mentioned. I don't think he is one for the trenches and that money could be very useful.
I have no issue with Ayew going particularly for the fee of 12 million mentioned. I don't think he is one for the trenches and that money could be very useful.
I do. He's one of only a very few who have the ability, desire, attitude and know how to lead us out of the division. He gets frustrated with those around him which I fully understand. He's also better than his brother who went for £20 million. He's a must keep.
There's somethoing about him I don't like. I don't quite know what it is. He's shown flashes of skill, scored some great goals, seems to put the effort in. He was a class above all on the pitch on Sunday, but i just don't like watching him play? It's weird.I have no issue with Ayew going particularly for the fee of 12 million mentioned. I don't think he is one for the trenches and that money could be very useful.
I do. He's one of only a very few who have the ability, desire, attitude and know how to lead us out of the division. He gets frustrated with those around him which I fully understand. He's also better than his brother who went for £20 million. He's a must keep.
I have no issue with Ayew going particularly for the fee of 12 million mentioned. I don't think he is one for the trenches and that money could be very useful.
I do. He's one of only a very few who have the ability, desire, attitude and know how to lead us out of the division. He gets frustrated with those around him which I fully understand. He's also better than his brother who went for £20 million. He's a must keep.
I have no issue with Ayew going particularly for the fee of 12 million mentioned. I don't think he is one for the trenches and that money could be very useful.
I do. He's one of only a very few who have the ability, desire, attitude and know how to lead us out of the division. He gets frustrated with those around him which I fully understand. He's also better than his brother who went for £20 million. He's a must keep.
I have no issue with Ayew going particularly for the fee of 12 million mentioned. I don't think he is one for the trenches and that money could be very useful.
I do. He's one of only a very few who have the ability, desire, attitude and know how to lead us out of the division. He gets frustrated with those around him which I fully understand. He's also better than his brother who went for £20 million. He's a must keep.
I have no issue with Ayew going particularly for the fee of 12 million mentioned. I don't think he is one for the trenches and that money could be very useful.I would. Especially seeing Bolasie going for double that having scored less goals than JA last season. He is a must keep
There's somethoing about him I don't like. I don't quite know what it is. He's shown flashes of skill, scored some great goals, seems to put the effort in. He was a class above all on the pitch on Sunday, but i just don't like watching him play? It's weird.I have no issue with Ayew going particularly for the fee of 12 million mentioned. I don't think he is one for the trenches and that money could be very useful.
I do. He's one of only a very few who have the ability, desire, attitude and know how to lead us out of the division. He gets frustrated with those around him which I fully understand. He's also better than his brother who went for £20 million. He's a must keep.
I have no issue with Ayew going particularly for the fee of 12 million mentioned. I don't think he is one for the trenches and that money could be very useful.
Agree with this.There's somethoing about him I don't like. I don't quite know what it is. He's shown flashes of skill, scored some great goals, seems to put the effort in. He was a class above all on the pitch on Sunday, but i just don't like watching him play? It's weird.I have no issue with Ayew going particularly for the fee of 12 million mentioned. I don't think he is one for the trenches and that money could be very useful.
I do. He's one of only a very few who have the ability, desire, attitude and know how to lead us out of the division. He gets frustrated with those around him which I fully understand. He's also better than his brother who went for £20 million. He's a must keep.
I think if he was played as a forward with some supply around him, we'd see a happier, goal-scoring Ayew. He's not a wide attacker for me, we're just accomodating others at his expense currently. He still looked our best attacking threat against Wednesday though.
We seem to be a lot more efficient at getting rid of players this summer.
We seem to be a lot more efficient at getting rid of players this summer.
You reckon?
Last year of the players that the club obviously wanted rid of we disposed of Luna, Weimann, Sylla, Helenius, Senderos, Cole, Tonev, Given, Stevens and Lowton.
This summer it's Crespo, Guzan and Siegrist.
I have no issue with Ayew going particularly for the fee of 12 million mentioned. I don't think he is one for the trenches and that money could be very useful.
I do. He's one of only a very few who have the ability, desire, attitude and know how to lead us out of the division. He gets frustrated with those around him which I fully understand. He's also better than his brother who went for £20 million. He's a must keep.
He's talented but needs to pass the ball. He drives me nuts. He can walk past defenders but it's pointless if he refuses to use better options.
McCormack will have a frustrating time playing alongside him I think.
We seem to be a lot more efficient at getting rid of players this summer.
You reckon?
Last year of the players that the club obviously wanted rid of we disposed of Luna, Weimann, Sylla, Helenius, Senderos, Cole, Tonev, Given, Stevens and Lowton.
This summer it's Crespo, Guzan and Siegrist.
I'm not convinced by Celtics story that we wanted to keep Sinclair.
I find Ayew hard to fathom. He has talent but it is sporadic and mecurial. He is neither a prolific creator or goalscorer. His defensive discipline is also questionable. He is way down the list of players i'd like to see leave but I won't cry too much about it either.
Pat Murphy:-
Understand Lescott & Agbonlahor r part of the @AVFCOfficial exit strategy,announced soon. Bit complicated at mo.But Richards in RDM's plans.
And
Jedinak & Hernandez under review by @AVFCOfficial but no bids as yet for them. RDM considering others as well. Working thro' his list.
He also says that the midfielder Dr Tony was tweeting about yesterday looks like it is not going to happen, but he does not know who it is.
We seem to be a lot more efficient at getting rid of players this summer.
You reckon?
Last year of the players that the club obviously wanted rid of we disposed of Luna, Weimann, Sylla, Helenius, Senderos, Cole, Tonev, Given, Stevens and Lowton.
This summer it's Crespo, Guzan and Siegrist.
I'm not convinced by Celtics story that we wanted to keep Sinclair.
We seem to be a lot more efficient at getting rid of players this summer.
You reckon?
Last year of the players that the club obviously wanted rid of we disposed of Luna, Weimann, Sylla, Helenius, Senderos, Cole, Tonev, Given, Stevens and Lowton.
This summer it's Crespo, Guzan and Siegrist.
I'm not convinced by Celtics story that we wanted to keep Sinclair.
Possibly, but we at least cared about keeping him enough to reject their first couple of bids.
Something which I wouldn't see happening for anyone on the above list.
We seem to be a lot more efficient at getting rid of players this summer.
You reckon?
Last year of the players that the club obviously wanted rid of we disposed of Luna, Weimann, Sylla, Helenius, Senderos, Cole, Tonev, Given, Stevens and Lowton.
This summer it's Crespo, Guzan and Siegrist.
I'm not convinced by Celtics story that we wanted to keep Sinclair.
Or that we necessarily wanted to keep Gil or Sanchez. If Gabby and Lescott are going as well we're doing alright.
I find Ayew hard to fathom. He has talent but it is sporadic and mecurial. He is neither a prolific creator or goalscorer. His defensive discipline is also questionable. He is way down the list of players i'd like to see leave but I won't cry too much about it either.
He's being played out of position though, he's not a left sided midfielder in a 4 which is pretty much where we tried to fit him at the weekend.
Right now i'd switch to a 4321 and have him and RM as the 2.
I find Ayew hard to fathom. He has talent but it is sporadic and mecurial. He is neither a prolific creator or goalscorer. His defensive discipline is also questionable. He is way down the list of players i'd like to see leave but I won't cry too much about it either.
He's being played out of position though, he's not a left sided midfielder in a 4 which is pretty much where we tried to fit him at the weekend.
Right now i'd switch to a 4321 and have him and RM as the 2.
We seem to be a lot more efficient at getting rid of players this summer.
You reckon?
Last year of the players that the club obviously wanted rid of we disposed of Luna, Weimann, Sylla, Helenius, Senderos, Cole, Tonev, Given, Stevens and Lowton.
This summer it's Crespo, Guzan and Siegrist.
I'm not convinced by Celtics story that we wanted to keep Sinclair.
We seem to be a lot more efficient at getting rid of players this summer.
You reckon?
Last year of the players that the club obviously wanted rid of we disposed of Luna, Weimann, Sylla, Helenius, Senderos, Cole, Tonev, Given, Stevens and Lowton.
This summer it's Crespo, Guzan and Siegrist.
I'm not convinced by Celtics story that we wanted to keep Sinclair.
Possibly, but we at least cared about keeping him enough to reject their first couple of bids.
Something which I wouldn't see happening for anyone on the above list.
Surely if someone comes in for a player at a different club, that club are always going to act like they want to keep him in order to drive the price up.
That's because we were run by idiots. We played Brenda brilliantly over Sinclair.
Average at our level they are not. They're mid-table Premier League players.
Pat Murphy:-
Understand Lescott & Agbonlahor r part of the @AVFCOfficial exit strategy,announced soon. Bit complicated at mo.But Richards in RDM's plans.
i am also in the not convinced by Ayew, he is talented no doubt, part of the problem is that he never looks to pass it quickly even if there is a pass on.I find Ayew hard to fathom. He has talent but it is sporadic and mecurial. He is neither a prolific creator or goalscorer. His defensive discipline is also questionable. He is way down the list of players i'd like to see leave but I won't cry too much about it either.
He's being played out of position though, he's not a left sided midfielder in a 4 which is pretty much where we tried to fit him at the weekend.
Right now i'd switch to a 4321 and have him and RM as the 2.
He also played the majority of last season with there either being no one to pass to, or no one one worth passing to. It'll feel like a novel concept to him if he's got someone like McCormack within 30 yards.
Pat Murphy:-
Understand Lescott & Agbonlahor r part of the @AVFCOfficial exit strategy,announced soon. Bit complicated at mo.But Richards in RDM's plans.
JFC. What on earth has Richards got to do to be kicked out the door ?
Makes my blood boil the lump of useless shite
Been linked to a Bologna player (never heard of him but is described as a 'wonder kid' and 'new Kolo Toure' in the article) called Amadou Diawara. 19 year old defensive midfielder, Ghana International.
Apparently we have €17m for him. No idea if it's a reliable source.
A few days ago Rafael van der Vaart was mentioned as potentially our meltdown signing. He's just become FC Midtjylland's meltdown signing.
Palace fans love Jedinak, he's not first choice anymore but almost to a man on their forums they say he's a proper leader, club captain in the truest word and a decent player. Would be just the sort we need in Midfield.
Been linked to a Bologna player (never heard of him but is described as a 'wonder kid' and 'new Kolo Toure' in the article) called Amadou Diawara. 19 year old defensive midfielder, Ghana International.
Apparently we have €17m for him. No idea if it's a reliable source.
Every Italian club and the top PL clubs are also linked with him. Don't be too disappointed if we don't get him.
We had too many foreign prospects like Gana and Vertout last year. This season I'd prefer we stick to players like Jedinak.
Palace fans love Jedinak, he's not first choice anymore but almost to a man on their forums they say he's a proper leader, club captain in the truest word and a decent player. Would be just the sort we need in Midfield.
exactly
my father in law is season ticket holder at palace and I spoke to his brother in my business yesterday and both rave about Jedinak and said he would be brilliant for Villa , he takes no prisoners
Palace fans love Jedinak, he's not first choice anymore but almost to a man on their forums they say he's a proper leader, club captain in the truest word and a decent player. Would be just the sort we need in Midfield.
exactly
my father in law is season ticket holder at palace and I spoke to his brother in my business yesterday and both rave about Jedinak and said he would be brilliant for Villa , he takes no prisoners
Although I don't think the Championship is quite the clogfest it is made out to be by some, we definitely need more of a physical presence in midfield. It is not as apparent now in the Premier League, but I think the physical contest in midfield becomes more important the lower down the leagues you go. Tshibola needs time and I would use him sparingly this season, meaning we are probably going to have to bring in at least two other central midfielders.
We had too many foreign prospects like Gana and Vertout last year. This season I'd prefer we stick to players like Jedinak.
An Aussie
Palace fans love Jedinak, he's not first choice anymore but almost to a man on their forums they say he's a proper leader, club captain in the truest word and a decent player. Would be just the sort we need in Midfield.
exactly
my father in law is season ticket holder at palace and I spoke to his brother in my business yesterday and both rave about Jedinak and said he would be brilliant for Villa , he takes no prisoners
Re Richards, he also strikes me as the kind of easily led simpleton that could be very susceptible to either good or bad influences in the dressing room. So maybe RDM is happy that with a few more good eggs around the place he can be brought back in line.
Been linked to a Bologna player (never heard of him but is described as a 'wonder kid' and 'new Kolo Toure' in the article) called Amadou Diawara. 19 year old defensive midfielder, Ghana International.
Apparently we have €17m for him. No idea if it's a reliable source.
..., really think the Amavi/Grealish combo on the left should may hay at this level.Until a smart manager decides to attack down our left flank because Amavi and Grealish are not the most resilient of combos. Don't get me wrong: I think the combo might work, but it means having a central MF set-up that provides cover when FB go forwards. Currently, we don't have that.
Re Richards, he also strikes me as the kind of easily led simpleton that could be very susceptible to either good or bad influences in the dressing room. So maybe RDM is happy that with a few more good eggs around the place he can be brought back in line.
For me, Richard's was likely the ringleader of all the BS. He thinks he's too good for us and his venom probably came from frustration. Gabby is the truly stupid one. If you told that numpty to jump off a cliff you'd only hear a thud.
Diawara has turned us down, apparently. He's on strike until he gets the move he wants - and it isn't us.
Diawara has turned us down, apparently. He's on strike until he gets the move he wants - and it isn't us.
not the attitude we want anyway
Re Richards, he also strikes me as the kind of easily led simpleton that could be very susceptible to either good or bad influences in the dressing room. So maybe RDM is happy that with a few more good eggs around the place he can be brought back in line.Maybe RdM also sees him as cover for Hutton at RB; a position we are weak in.
Re Richards, he also strikes me as the kind of easily led simpleton that could be very susceptible to either good or bad influences in the dressing room. So maybe RDM is happy that with a few more good eggs around the place he can be brought back in line.Maybe RdM also sees him as cover for Hutton at RB; a position we are weak in.
Pat Murphy:-
Understand Lescott & Agbonlahor r part of the @AVFCOfficial exit strategy,announced soon. Bit complicated at mo.But Richards in RDM's plans.
JFC. What on earth has Richards got to do to be kicked out the door ?
Makes my blood boil the lump of useless shite
I hate Richards, I really do. But of those 3 he's the only one where you can say there's a footballer hiding in there.
Unusually we are all in agreement re Jedinak. We want him in and very soon!
Diawara has turned us down, apparently. He's on strike until he gets the move he wants - and it isn't us.
not the attitude we want anyway
No, though I said that about Benteke when he sulked his way to a move from Ghent.
Re Richards, he also strikes me as the kind of easily led simpleton that could be very susceptible to either good or bad influences in the dressing room. So maybe RDM is happy that with a few more good eggs around the place he can be brought back in line.Maybe RdM also sees him as cover for Hutton at RB; a position we are weak in.
If he's got his head screwed on right Richards is a much better RB than Hutton, so likely RDM wants it the other way round.
I just don't think he has got his head right or ever will for us, so happier to see the back of him.
Pat Murphy:-
Understand Lescott & Agbonlahor r part of the @AVFCOfficial exit strategy,announced soon. Bit complicated at mo.But Richards in RDM's plans.
JFC. What on earth has Richards got to do to be kicked out the door ?
Makes my blood boil the lump of useless shite
I hate Richards, I really do. But of those 3 he's the only one where you can say there's a footballer hiding in there.
I've seen Gabby do good things over the years, I've seen Lescott do very minimal good things last season.
All i've seen Richards do in the shirt is be a gigantic c*** with the worst positional sense known to humanity.
We had too many foreign prospects like Gana and Vertout last year. This season I'd prefer we stick to players like Jedinak.
An Aussie
I never said he was British. What I meant was players that are more of a known quantity regards English football. I love the excitement of a signing from a foreign league as much as the next person, but we have to rebuild in a lot of positions and need players that can hit the ground running in the key positions. Elphick, and McCormack type signings. Jedinak has captained Crystal Palace out of this division and done pretty well since getting into the Premier League also. Better him in central midfield than an €18m punt on a 19 year old that has been playing in Serie A.
We had too many foreign prospects like Gana and Vertout last year. This season I'd prefer we stick to players like Jedinak.
An Aussie
I never said he was British. What I meant was players that are more of a known quantity regards English football. I love the excitement of a signing from a foreign league as much as the next person, but we have to rebuild in a lot of positions and need players that can hit the ground running in the key positions. Elphick, and McCormack type signings. Jedinak has captained Crystal Palace out of this division and done pretty well since getting into the Premier League also. Better him in central midfield than an €18m punt on a 19 year old that has been playing in Serie A.
Isn't that the sort of view that leads to a club signing Grant Holt (off the back of 15 Premier League goals don't forget) rather than Benteke, or sticking with Andy King over "one season outside lower league French football's" N'Golo Kante?
Out of curiosity, do you think (and I'm not saying that you shouldn't if you do) that we should be playing Bunn or Steer over Gollini? They're both older and both have extensive experience of the league that we're playing in. It's a key position and we want them to hit the ground running, so surely Gollini should be third in line?
A few days ago Rafael van der Vaart was mentioned as potentially our meltdown signing. He's just become FC Midtjylland's meltdown signing.
We had too many foreign prospects like Gana and Vertout last year. This season I'd prefer we stick to players like Jedinak.
An Aussie
I never said he was British. What I meant was players that are more of a known quantity regards English football. I love the excitement of a signing from a foreign league as much as the next person, but we have to rebuild in a lot of positions and need players that can hit the ground running in the key positions. Elphick, and McCormack type signings. Jedinak has captained Crystal Palace out of this division and done pretty well since getting into the Premier League also. Better him in central midfield than an €18m punt on a 19 year old that has been playing in Serie A.
Isn't that the sort of view that leads to a club signing Grant Holt (off the back of 15 Premier League goals don't forget) rather than Benteke, or sticking with Andy King over "one season outside lower league French football's" N'Golo Kante?
Out of curiosity, do you think (and I'm not saying that you shouldn't if you do) that we should be playing Bunn or Steer over Gollini? They're both older and both have extensive experience of the league that we're playing in. It's a key position and we want them to hit the ground running, so surely Gollini should be third in line?
I think Ashton means we want to sign some expereince at championship level and include a msaller mixture of foreign players compared to last year. i agree
I think we have a nucleus of players who really must never play for us again.
Pat Murphy:-
Understand Lescott & Agbonlahor r part of the @AVFCOfficial exit strategy,announced soon. Bit complicated at mo.But Richards in RDM's plans.
JFC. What on earth has Richards got to do to be kicked out the door ?
Makes my blood boil the lump of useless shite
I hate Richards, I really do. But of those 3 he's the only one where you can say there's a footballer hiding in there.
It's not a myth. He is still a good full back with a terrible attitude. Nothing changed tonight except confirming that point 1 will probably never outweigh point 2 again. A small crumb of comfort if it means RDM abandons plans to try and rehabilitate him.
I hope Jedinak didn't watch that - it wasn't the most convincing commercial for joining us.
It's not a myth. He is still a good full back with a terrible attitude. Nothing changed tonight except confirming that point 1 will probably never outweigh point 2 again. A small crumb of comfort if it means RDM abandons plans to try and rehabilitate him.
I mean he's not. He's positionally the worst player I've seen. He was playing full back in the first half, but he thought he should be more of a striker.
Bridcutt and Hibbert are awful players, lets not be too hasty
Flamini as a leader in midfield would be great, he was starting for Arsenal in champions league games last season
But Jedinak would be ideal, we desperately need some nasty physical power in there
From Sky Sports Transfer Centre -
Aston Villa have made an approach for out-of-favour West Brom defender James Chester, according to the Express & Star.
Middlesbrough are also in the hunt for the 27-year-old Wales international after their move for Hull City defender Harry Maguire collapsed.
Chester, who cost Albion £8m last summer, is the Baggies’ most-expensive defender, but he has struggled to play in his preferred position under Tony Pulis.
Despite this, Pulis is not thought to be keen on selling the versatile player unless a replacement can be brought to The Hawthorns
If he has two legs then he is already better than Richards.
Can play right back as well can't he?
I hope that on Saturday neither Richards or Hutton are our right backEasah Sulliman impressed me in preseason but I think he's gone out on loan.
Surely we must have an under 21 player who could play there?
I hope that on Saturday neither Richards or Hutton are our right backEasah Sulliman impressed me in preseason but I think he's gone out on loan.
Surely we must have an under 21 player who could play there?
I see Benteke is likely to sign for Palace for a fee in excess of £30M. Just shows how far Villa have fallen and the general perception is that we're now a laughing stock
I see Benteke is likely to sign for Palace for a fee in excess of £30M. Just shows how far Villa have fallen and the general perception is that we're now a laughing stock
How does Benteke signing for Palace show how far we've fallen ?
I see Benteke is likely to sign for Palace for a fee in excess of £30M. Just shows how far Villa have fallen and the general perception is that we're now a laughing stock
How does Benteke signing for Palace show how far we've fallen ?
I see Benteke is likely to sign for Palace for a fee in excess of £30M. Just shows how far Villa have fallen and the general perception is that we're now a laughing stock
How does Benteke signing for Palace show how far we've fallen ?
I see Benteke is likely to sign for Palace for a fee in excess of £30M. Just shows how far Villa have fallen and the general perception is that we're now a laughing stock
How does Benteke signing for Palace show how far we've fallen ?
The fact that Palace are way ahead of Villa and we've no chance of signing the likes of Benteke.
I see Benteke is likely to sign for Palace for a fee in excess of £30M. Just shows how far Villa have fallen and the general perception is that we're now a laughing stock
How does Benteke signing for Palace show how far we've fallen ?
Yep, one of the more odd posts on here.
I see Benteke is likely to sign for Palace for a fee in excess of £30M. Just shows how far Villa have fallen and the general perception is that we're now a laughing stock
How does Benteke signing for Palace show how far we've fallen ?
James Chester in talks , from Birmingham Mail
I can't see him joining if it's true that Boro have bid as well! Hope he does come as he is a good player at champ level!
I can't see him joining if it's true that Boro have bid as well! Hope he does come as he is a good player at champ level!
If he's settled in the Midlands he might not want to uproot his family to the North East.
Is Chester a left or right side central defender?
I hope they can sort Chester out for Saturday.
This start is what I was afraid of when I said last week that I was a bit dissapointed at the amount of business we had done Clampy (of course they have done McCormack since then which I am very happy with). Whether the squad is too big or not, it is simply not good enough. We cannot afford for a losing streak to set in this season.
We made a pretty dire start to the season last time we were at this level. I think it is too early to tell yet how the season will pan out.
Daily Mail saying that we've decided not to let Bennett go to Sheff Wed as we don't want him going rival (!!!)
Wonder if it's more likely that RDM has watched two thoroughly incompetent LB displays this week & thinks Joe couldn't do worse?
So when they agreed to let Bennett go to Sheff Wed, did not they not realise they were in the same division as us?
So when they agreed to let Bennett go to Sheff Wed, did not they not realise they were in the same division as us?
With Richards, Hutton, Cissokho, and Amavi not exactly impressive I wouldn't let him leave either.
I still hope Amavi will come good. I also think Hutton will be ok if we have to decent center halves alongside him. £50m doesn't go very far in the current market. I suspect Chester will be £8-10m if we get him. But yes, I agree, we need more strength asap.So when they agreed to let Bennett go to Sheff Wed, did not they not realise they were in the same division as us?
With Richards, Hutton, Cissokho, and Amavi not exactly impressive I wouldn't let him leave either.
None of the above are good enough. We've got "up to £50m" to spend so why worry about shit players like these
How as Amavi gone from our LB wonder kid to shit after just one game back after almost a season out with an horrific injury ;D
Some people
I don't think anyone is slating Jordan. However, we need a match ready LB now. We can give him another month or two to get fit and compete for a position. We can push him up the field, a la Bacuna, and give him less responsibility on the defensive end.
How as Amavi gone from our LB wonder kid to shit after just one game back after almost a season out with an horrific injury ;D
Some people
"Aston Villa set to sign James Chester, Ritchie De Laet and Mile Jedinak"
Source, The Sun and Twitter, so not the most reliable.
Those would improve our defence by some way, with Jedinak actually offering some protection in front of the back four. I'd be happy with that. De Laet is pretty adaptable too. Would be good as cover, or to offer some balance and solidity on the right side of defence."Aston Villa set to sign James Chester, Ritchie De Laet and Mile Jedinak"
Source, The Sun and Twitter, so not the most reliable.
As you say, hardly the most reliable sources, but they would be three good signings. Still would need another midfielder and a striker though.
"Aston Villa set to sign James Chester, Ritchie De Laet and Mile Jedinak"
Source, The Sun and Twitter, so not the most reliable.
Amavi is a good player. The rest would be better served melting down into glue.
Phil Bardsley for right back he's a passionate so and so can also play left. I also want in some types like Britton a ball player from Swansea. De laet- another steady full back and Andre wisdom. Bring in vdyra who will get goals at this level and Gibson at Everton who like Britton proper footballer and professional who decent on and off field.phil Bardsley played for us about 10 yrs ago and wasn't very good then.
Is Jedinak actually any good?
isnt it more a question of is he better than Westwood and Gardner ???
Is Jedinak actually any good?Jedinak is good at what he does. He'll put himself about and he'll make his presence felt in midfield. He's easily better than what we have, but I think his attitude as much as anything would make him a good signing. We've not got a single CM that I'd be happy to see starting every game.
I thought Bardsley looked a typical Villa full back in his time here, looked fantastic for the first few games then went downhill faster than Franz Klammer.
Is Jedinak actually any good?
I thought Bardsley looked a typical Villa full back in his time here, looked fantastic for the first few games then went downhill faster than Franz Klammer.
Anybody know what this left back we've signed from Sheff Wednesday is like?
Anybody know what this left back we've signed from Sheff Wednesday is like?
Jedinak's exactly what we need in the immediate term. I'd even be happy to see Rickie Lambert coming-in if we can't get Hernandez from Hull. Collymore was spot-on last night. It's like watching an Academy Team when Elphick doesn't play. The lack of leadership and intelligence is startling. We need at least 2 more proper, experienced Pros to help Elphick out.
He's on about Bennett virtually donning the Wednesday strip before we told him, NO!Anybody know what this left back we've signed from Sheff Wednesday is like?
????????
Is Jedinak actually any good?
I thought Bardsley looked a typical Villa full back in his time here, looked fantastic for the first few games then went downhill faster than Franz Klammer.
Is Jedinak actually any good?
I thought Bardsley looked a typical Villa full back in his time here, looked fantastic for the first few games then went downhill faster than Franz Klammer.
Jedinak is what we neeed
Is Jedinak actually any good?
I thought Bardsley looked a typical Villa full back in his time here, looked fantastic for the first few games then went downhill faster than Franz Klammer.
Jedinak is what we neeed
he said 2 days ago he had no intention of leaving palace plus he is 32
SOrry if posted elsewhere... James Chester bid accepted?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37049517
Certainly had a good euros...
Not halfSOrry if posted elsewhere... James Chester bid accepted?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37049517
Certainly had a good euros...
Going by the opening paragraph, the writer clearly has an agenda.
My baggies mates were slating Tiny Penis all last year for not playing Chester enough
SOrry if posted elsewhere... James Chester bid accepted?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37049517
Certainly had a good euros...
Chester is quite short for a CH, about 5ft10 give or take. That maybe why Micropenis doesn't seem to rate him as a first choice CH. He's a good player though. He'll definitely standout for us at this level.
Jedinak's exactly what we need in the immediate term. I'd even be happy to see Rickie Lambert coming-in if we can't get Hernandez from Hull. Collymore was spot-on last night. It's like watching an Academy Team when Elphick doesn't play. The lack of leadership and intelligence is startling. We need at least 2 more proper, experienced Pros to help Elphick out.
3 years ago for Lambert. Not now
Not halfSOrry if posted elsewhere... James Chester bid accepted?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37049517
Certainly had a good euros...
Going by the opening paragraph, the writer clearly has an agenda.
December Last eh? I don't think he's been the same since Christmas personally
Definitely want a proper no 9 still. De laet, chester, jedinak and a proven mobile centre forward and I'd be happy
Still need to shape them into a team.
December Last eh? I don't think he's been the same since Christmas personally
Definitely want a proper no 9 still. De laet, chester, jedinak and a proven mobile centre forward and I'd be happy
Still need to shape them into a team.
I think he wrote De Laet and autocorrect changed it.
Chester, Jedinak and December Last would be solid and entirely necessary business.
It's closeFingers crossed. Good signing for me. Walks right into our starting lineup.
Pat Murphy
Could be tonight when James Chester move from @WBA to @AVFCOfficial formalised. Waiting for medical results.Around £7m.No hitch expected.
It's closeFingers crossed. Good signing for me. Walks right into our starting lineup.
Pat Murphy
Could be tonight when James Chester move from @WBA to @AVFCOfficial formalised. Waiting for medical results.Around £7m.No hitch expected.
SOrry if posted elsewhere... James Chester bid accepted?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37049517
Certainly had a good euros...
Going by the opening paragraph, the writer clearly has an agenda.
How dare you???It's closeFingers crossed. Good signing for me. Walks right into our starting lineup.
Pat Murphy
Could be tonight when James Chester move from @WBA to @AVFCOfficial formalised. Waiting for medical results.Around £7m.No hitch expected.
Brian Potter would walk right into our starting line up.
It's closeFingers crossed. Good signing for me. Walks right into our starting lineup.
Pat Murphy
Could be tonight when James Chester move from @WBA to @AVFCOfficial formalised. Waiting for medical results.Around £7m.No hitch expected.
Brian Potter would walk right into our starting line up.
SOrry if posted elsewhere... James Chester bid accepted?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37049517
Certainly had a good euros...
Going by the opening paragraph, the writer clearly has an agenda.
It's closeFingers crossed. Good signing for me. Walks right into our starting lineup.
Pat Murphy
Could be tonight when James Chester move from @WBA to @AVFCOfficial formalised. Waiting for medical results.Around £7m.No hitch expected.
Brian Potter would walk right into our starting line up.
Douglas Bader would walk into our team at the moment.
Chester, Jedinak and December Last would be solid and entirely necessary business.
Doh!! Predictive bloody text eh? Saving this so you don't edit it!! Lol.
Aston Villa are ready to sell midfielder Ashley Westwood to Burnley as they plot to sign Mile Jedinak from Crystal Palace.
The Sun claim the Midlands giants are set for a major overhaul after losing their opening two matches of the season.
It is said centre-back Chester will join for around £6million from West Brom, right-back De Laet will transfer for £2.5million from Leicester and midfielder Jedinak is on the verge of a switch from Crystal Palace.
The Mirror now report that Villa will fund the arrival of Australia international Jedinak by offloading Westwood to long-term suitors Burnley.
Midlands newspaper The Express and Star claim the former Crewe man is currently earning in the region of £35,000-a-week at Villa Park.
TBAR at it again. Expect Jedinak AND Ledley to sign, both at BMH today undergoing medicals! Oooh, I do hope so.
TBAR at it again. Expect Jedinak AND Ledley to sign, both at BMH today undergoing medicals! Oooh, I do hope so.
It's closeFingers crossed. Good signing for me. Walks right into our starting lineup.
Pat Murphy
Could be tonight when James Chester move from @WBA to @AVFCOfficial formalised. Waiting for medical results.Around £7m.No hitch expected.
Brian Potter would walk right into our starting line up.
Aston Villa are ready to sell midfielder Ashley Westwood to Burnley as they plot to sign Mile Jedinak from Crystal Palace.
The Sun claim the Midlands giants are set for a major overhaul after losing their opening two matches of the season.
It is said centre-back Chester will join for around £6million from West Brom, right-back De Laet will transfer for £2.5million from Leicester and midfielder Jedinak is on the verge of a switch from Crystal Palace.
The Mirror now report that Villa will fund the arrival of Australia international Jedinak by offloading Westwood to long-term suitors Burnley.
Midlands newspaper The Express and Star claim the former Crewe man is currently earning in the region of £35,000-a-week at Villa Park.
Would be happy to see him go, though we would need to find another midfielder. If Westwood goes, and Jedinak and Morrison come in then that is fine by me.
He's not been great so far but doesn't gardner = +1 compared to last season?
If Dyche pays £6m for Westwood he's a buffoon. Forget Nicolas Parsons, this would be the sale of the century.
Rather keep Westwood for this season. He's ten times the player Gardner is.
If Westwood goes, and we get Jedinak would someone like Will Hughes be a stupidly insane suggestion?
Westwood on his bike according to the Mirror. Rejoice!
Westwood on his bike according to the Mirror. Rejoice!
I rate Dyche, but having a boner for Westwood makes me seriously doubt him. What the fuck is he seeing that I can't?
Westwood on his bike according to the Mirror. Rejoice!
I rate Dyche, but having a boner for Westwood makes me seriously doubt him. What the fuck is he seeing that I can't?
TBAR at it again. Expect Jedinak AND Ledley to sign, both at BMH today undergoing medicals! Oooh, I do hope so.
They said a deal for Danny Ings was done three months ago.
I don't think Westwood is anywhere near as bad as some of you think. There are far greater problem players in the squad than him and he may be useful to us this season.
I don't think Westwood is anywhere near as bad as some of you think. There are far greater problem players in the squad than him and he may be useful to us this season.
The other thing about Westwood is he's so deeply entrenched in a culture of failure here it might just be best for both parties that he moves.
Useful as in he has a bit of quality on the ball, keeps possession quite well and has a decent pass. I suspect with good players around him he would do a good job in this division.
The other thing about Westwood is he's so deeply entrenched in a culture of failure here it might just be best for both parties that he moves.
I read somewhere that with Guzan Clark leaving this summer, with the exception of Agbonlahor Westwood has made the most appearances for us. Something like 120 games.
I fucking hate this cock wobbling auto correct.
Useful as in he has a bit of quality on the ball, keeps possession quite well and has a decent pass. I suspect with good players around him he would do a good job in this division.
he has never been good enough, does not tackle, create, score or defend.The other thing about Westwood is he's so deeply entrenched in a culture of failure here it might just be best for both parties that he moves.
I read somewhere that with Guzan Clark leaving this summer, with the exception of Agbonlahor Westwood has made the most appearances for us. Something like 120 games.
In any other era I doubt if he'd have made it to double figures in a Villa shirt before the club realised he wasn't good enough and quickly shipped him out.
he has never been good enough, does not tackle, create, score or defend.The other thing about Westwood is he's so deeply entrenched in a culture of failure here it might just be best for both parties that he moves.
I read somewhere that with Guzan Clark leaving this summer, with the exception of Agbonlahor Westwood has made the most appearances for us. Something like 120 games.
In any other era I doubt if he'd have made it to double figures in a Villa shirt before the club realised he wasn't good enough and quickly shipped him out.
Imagine hearing you are breaking your transfer record, the excitement and anticipation and then finding out you'd bought Ashley Westwood.
he has never been good enough, does not tackle, create, score or defend.The other thing about Westwood is he's so deeply entrenched in a culture of failure here it might just be best for both parties that he moves.
I read somewhere that with Guzan Clark leaving this summer, with the exception of Agbonlahor Westwood has made the most appearances for us. Something like 120 games.
In any other era I doubt if he'd have made it to double figures in a Villa shirt before the club realised he wasn't good enough and quickly shipped him out.
What's your point?
he has never been good enough, does not tackle, create, score or defend.The other thing about Westwood is he's so deeply entrenched in a culture of failure here it might just be best for both parties that he moves.
I read somewhere that with Guzan Clark leaving this summer, with the exception of Agbonlahor Westwood has made the most appearances for us. Something like 120 games.
In any other era I doubt if he'd have made it to double figures in a Villa shirt before the club realised he wasn't good enough and quickly shipped him out.
What's your point?
He's not very good?
he has never been good enough, does not tackle, create, score or defend.The other thing about Westwood is he's so deeply entrenched in a culture of failure here it might just be best for both parties that he moves.
I read somewhere that with Guzan Clark leaving this summer, with the exception of Agbonlahor Westwood has made the most appearances for us. Something like 120 games.
In any other era I doubt if he'd have made it to double figures in a Villa shirt before the club realised he wasn't good enough and quickly shipped him out.
What's your point?
He's not very good?
Well, he is a pointer.
He's not the worse villa player ever, massively ott.
Imagine hearing you are breaking your transfer record, the excitement and anticipation and then finding out you'd bought Ashley Westwood.
He's not the worse villa player ever, massively ott.
It's just an opinion, mate.
I think midfield is the most important area of a football team. For years it's been our weak point, and for years we've struggled as a team. And sadly, for years, Westwood has been a mainstay in it.
He offers nothing of note. He isn't strong or quick, doesn't tackle properly, doesn't beat a man. He can barely pass a ball decisively. He has no personality on the pitch, shows no passion, either. I groan every time I see him named in the team. If he's sold, it'll be something to celebrate.
I stand by my point. But that's all it is.
Westwood the worst EVER player you've seen at villa???!
Leonhardsen, bakke, gudjonsson, djemba djemba
Gary Gardner is worse as well
Westwood the worst EVER player you've seen at villa???!
Leonhardsen, bakke, gudjonsson, djemba djemba
Gary Gardner is worse as well
Westwood the worst EVER player you've seen at villa???!
Leonhardsen, bakke, gudjonsson, djemba djemba
Gary Gardner is worse as well
Mark Kinsella
Imagine hearing you are breaking your transfer record, the excitement and anticipation and then finding out you'd bought Ashley Westwood.
Gray cost them around £9m, so I'd be surprised if we're holding out for that much.
Imagine hearing you are breaking your transfer record, the excitement and anticipation and then finding out you'd bought Ashley Westwood.
Gray cost them around £9m, so I'd be surprised if we're holding out for that much.
£6m according to wiki
He's not the worse villa player ever, massively ott.
It's just an opinion, mate.
I think midfield is the most important area of a football team. For years it's been our weak point, and for years we've struggled as a team. And sadly, for years, Westwood has been a mainstay in it.
He offers nothing of note. He isn't strong or quick, doesn't tackle properly, doesn't beat a man. He can barely pass a ball decisively. He has no personality on the pitch, shows no passion, either. I groan every time I see him named in the team. If he's sold, it'll be something to celebrate.
I stand by my point. But that's all it is.
Westwood the worst EVER player you've seen at villa???!
Leonhardsen, bakke, gudjonsson, djemba djemba
Gary Gardner is worse as well
Mark Kinsella
He's not the worse villa player ever, massively ott.
It's just an opinion, mate.
I think midfield is the most important area of a football team. For years it's been our weak point, and for years we've struggled as a team. And sadly, for years, Westwood has been a mainstay in it.
He offers nothing of note. He isn't strong or quick, doesn't tackle properly, doesn't beat a man. He can barely pass a ball decisively. He has no personality on the pitch, shows no passion, either. I groan every time I see him named in the team. If he's sold, it'll be something to celebrate.
I stand by my point. But that's all it is.
fair enough it's your opinion and I don't know your age,
but I'm old and could probably name 50-100 players before I got anywhere near to Westwood
He's just mediocre though.
.
He's the type of player that managers rate more than fans, he keeps the ball moving, is always available for a pass and holds his position. The biggest downfall is his tendency to switch off and not pick up runners behind him or to pick them up but lack the physical strength to impede or slow their run.
I thought he was one of the better players against Weds but I take the point that a lot of them are just infected with the losing mentality.
if we let pointy go , do you think we will hold onto Veretout?
I will be very sad to see CB turn up at the Bitters.
At the end of a traumatic week wouldn't it be nice to enter, may I suggest, a bidding war just to up their price for him?
Dont think he will go there , i think he thinks he is bigger than them
I will be very sad to see CB turn up at the Bitters.
At the end of a traumatic week wouldn't it be nice to enter, may I suggest, a bidding war just to up their price for him?
I've never disliked Westwood, he's one of those players that I tend to forget is on the pitch which is a problem when he's a central midfielder. He's clearly limited in his ability but doesn't deserve to be bracketed in with the usual bunch of wasters that have disgraced the great name of Aston Villa in recent seasons. If we can get £6 million for him that would be a great deal and I'd wish him well in achieving mediocrity elsewhere with no hard feelings whatsoever.
I've got no ill feeling towards Westwood wither. Decent player that's often took the brunt of criticism for our shortfalls to me. That said if we bring in someone better than so be it. I wish him well
I've never disliked Westwood, he's one of those players that I tend to forget is on the pitch which is a problem when he's a central midfielder. He's clearly limited in his ability but doesn't deserve to be bracketed in with the usual bunch of wasters that have disgraced the great name of Aston Villa in recent seasons. If we can get £6 million for him that would be a great deal and I'd wish him well in achieving mediocrity elsewhere with no hard feelings whatsoever.
I've never disliked Westwood, he's one of those players that I tend to forget is on the pitch which is a problem when he's a central midfielder. He's clearly limited in his ability but doesn't deserve to be bracketed in with the usual bunch of wasters that have disgraced the great name of Aston Villa in recent seasons. If we can get £6 million for him that would be a great deal and I'd wish him well in achieving mediocrity elsewhere with no hard feelings whatsoever.
Agree with this also. Hasn't deserved some of the vitriol aimed at him in the past. He was the type that when he arrived he performed okay but you'd have expected him to have improved with experience but he didn't. He was never a goal scoring midfielder either, remember them? Good luck to him but it's no great loss.
I don't mind Westwood going as long as the fee we get isn't spent on a 32 year old
I don't mind Westwood either and there are plenty of midfielders that should be out of the doorbeforewith him.
If we could sell Westwood for £6m and buy a better replacement at £8m, I would say that would be £2m very well spent.
I've just had a look on TBAR for the first time in months. Please don't ever release me on a free transfer to that strange place.
I've just had a look on TBAR for the first time in months. Please don't ever release me on a free transfer to that strange place.
I had a peep the other day. It told me my last look was back in February. I think there were either six or eight on there at the time the other day.
The defensive midfielder they got from Albion looked good tho
The Bamford bandwagon is gathering pace.
I've just had a look on TBAR for the first time in months. Please don't ever release me on a free transfer to that strange place.
Thought he looked really good at Boro.The Bamford bandwagon is gathering pace.
Noticed that myself but I hope they're wrong on that one.
In your normal, admirable style TV you are saying we need a couple of bastards. I agree.
In your normal, admirable style TV you are saying we need a couple of bastards. I agree.
yes sir. Pretty much. Blokes who are willing to put their fingers in the chest of their teammates and challenge them to be better. Who do not give in or give up. Who view conceding a goal as not being the end of the world but another hill to overcome in the fight. Who believe Villa Park is our home and is worth defending. Who see Aston Villa is a club worth fighting for. Who understand the fans deserve much, much better.
Was talking to a Albion season ticket holder at my workplace this morning. He cant believe they've let Chester go if only for the reason of lack of bodies as back up. Reckons Billy Jones at Sunderland would be a good player for us and he rated him a better player than Chester.
Aparently the stripies are non to enamoured with the goings on since their takeover. I made him feel at ease by taking the piss.
The Bamford bandwagon is gathering pace.
Noticed that myself but I hope they're wrong on that one.
The Bamford bandwagon is gathering pace.
Noticed that myself but I hope they're wrong on that one.
For a loan signing, I can't really see the harm.
The Bamford bandwagon is gathering pace.
Noticed that myself but I hope they're wrong on that one.
For a loan signing, I can't really see the harm.
I think he could dig us out of a hole.
The Bamford bandwagon is gathering pace.
Noticed that myself but I hope they're wrong on that one.
For a loan signing, I can't really see the harm.
I think he could dig us out of a hole.
Ha ha! he might score a bucketload.
It's always good to have a couple of bastards in your line up.In your normal, admirable style TV you are saying we need a couple of bastards. I agree.
yes sir. Pretty much. Blokes who are willing to put their fingers in the chest of their teammates and challenge them to be better. Who do not give in or give up. Who view conceding a goal as not being the end of the world but another hill to overcome in the fight. Who believe Villa Park is our home and is worth defending. Who see Aston Villa is a club worth fighting for. Who understand the fans deserve much, much better.
In other words: Fuck you! we're Aston Villa!
For T'Uddersfield the team could be..
Gollini
Chester Elphick Baker
De Laet Ledley Jedinak Amavi
Ayew Grealish
McCormack
In a perfect world we'd also say bye to ..
Richards, Gabby, Okore, Sir Len, Cisshoko, Gardner, Pointy, Justhead, Kozak, Bunn, Traore.
If we could sell Westwood for £6m and buy a better replacement at £8m, I would say that would be £2m very well spent.
I agree. I think there is a good player hidden within Westwood but I do not think he will improve whilst at Villa and therefore a change should suit all parties.
I'd offer £8-10m for Hughes at Derby (i.e. similar to the price Norwich paid spurs to buy Pritchard) and bring in Jedinak. One for now and one for the future.
For T'Uddersfield the team could be..
Gollini
Chester Elphick Baker
De Laet Ledley Jedinak Amavi
Ayew Grealish
McCormack
In a perfect world we'd also say bye to ..
Richards, Gabby, Okore, Sir Len, Cisshoko, Gardner, Pointy, Justhead, Kozak, Bunn, Traore.
I just don't see McCormack being a lone striker. He's a 'number 10' type player who will play off a forward. I said it in an earlier post, but we desperately need a bit of pace and movement up front.
For T'Uddersfield the team could be..Painfully slow midfield pairing, in fact very little pace at all. McCormack needs to play off someone, a Bamford maybe.
Gollini
Chester Elphick Baker
De Laet Ledley Jedinak Amavi
Ayew Grealish
McCormack
In a perfect world we'd also say bye to ..
Richards, Gabby, Okore, Sir Len, Cisshoko, Gardner, Pointy, Justhead, Kozak, Bunn, Traore.
For T'Uddersfield the team could be..Painfully slow midfield pairing, in fact very little pace at all. McCormack needs to play off someone, a Bamford maybe.
Gollini
Chester Elphick Baker
De Laet Ledley Jedinak Amavi
Ayew Grealish
McCormack
In a perfect world we'd also say bye to ..
Richards, Gabby, Okore, Sir Len, Cisshoko, Gardner, Pointy, Justhead, Kozak, Bunn, Traore.
Gollini
New Elphick. Chester. Amavi
Jedinak Tshibola (or Ledley)
Ayew. McCormack. New
New
Right back may be De Laet. The forward and the creative midfielder to follow but hopefully two intelligent players like the ones already signed.
Every time I see jedinak I wonder how his beard compares with olof's.Its a very poor imitation, even if it is slightly hairier, you can never replicate the original.
RDM confirms interest in Jedinak SSN
RDM has actually said we're interested in Jedinak now. Hope we get him.
Serious question. Does anyone know if we have re-structured our scouting network and if so, who's who?
Dublin in transit, thanks for your best wishes.i will still be traveling when the game is on, but I know you will be missing me.RDM has actually said we're interested in Jedinak now. Hope we get him.
On the ball as usual Chicago Lion.
Good, due a trip to the homestead soon. Will have to take in an Athlone or Longford Town game with you at some stage :)
Aron Gunnarson of Cardiff City linked in the Sun, in case we don't get Jedinak. Newsnow.
Another captain.
Will he be announcing them while he is on the pitch before the match?
Longbridge lions have just tweeted a picture showing one of them, with Keith Wyness outside the ground.
They also say KW says 3 new signings 100% confirmed imminently!!
Abel Hernandez scores with a bicycle kick. Does anyone think Doug might do us a favour and get him to come round. After listening to the old boy, I'm sure he'll on his bike to B6 in no time to meet his new father.Diomande's goal
I didn't see it on the telly, I saw it on a small screen feed and, it looks like they both connected at the same time. As I say, small screen and my eyesight aint the best.I though the same mate but seeing the replay the way Diomande shaped up you could just make out he's struck it first with a tiny deflection off Hernandez.
The god doctor just tweeted that the next number 9 is on his way
Longbridge lions have just tweeted a picture showing one of them, with Keith Wyness outside the ground.
They also say KW says 3 new signings 100% confirmed imminently!!
Forester refused to travel apparently. Carvalho fuming
Can't help but snigger at the Newcastle result.
Might put a tenner on Leicester to get relegated this year, they've had their day in sun and are now getting back to normal.
Hernandez looked good for Hull, if we do sign him I will be quite chuffed.
https://twitter.com/benmorton1979/status/764408902016458752Longbridge lions have just tweeted a picture showing one of them, with Keith Wyness outside the ground.
They also say KW says 3 new signings 100% confirmed imminently!!
No they haven't...?
Apologies if I'm missing something.
If we signed Bamford where would he fit in after today?
If we signed Bamford where would he fit in after today?
Ahead of Gestede for me.
I actually wonder where McCormack will fit once all the players are fit/firing. I think Grealish, Adama and Ayew offer more unless he can play as a 9.
If we signed Bamford where would he fit in after today?
Ahead of Gestede for me.
I actually wonder where McCormack will fit once all the players are fit/firing. I think Grealish, Adama and Ayew offer more unless he can play as a 9.
McCormack will play just off the main striker. Doesn't look match fit just yet, but got into some good positions today and had some good touches.
If we signed Bamford where would he fit in after today?
Ahead of Gestede for me.
I actually wonder where McCormack will fit once all the players are fit/firing. I think Grealish, Adama and Ayew offer more unless he can play as a 9.
Adama is an exciting talent but I'm not sure that his cameo today answers any of the questions about his positional play and discipline. We looked far better earlier.
If we signed Bamford where would he fit in after today?
Ahead of Gestede for me.
I actually wonder where McCormack will fit once all the players are fit/firing. I think Grealish, Adama and Ayew offer more unless he can play as a 9.
McCormack will play just off the main striker. Doesn't look match fit just yet, but got into some good positions today and had some good touches.
I don't disagree, my opinion is that he's not as good as Adama, Grealish and Ayew. I can't work out how they can all play unless one plays as the main striker.
That said, if nothing else, the games come thick and fast in this division so rotating them could prevent players burning out/injuries.
Adama is an exciting talent but I'm not sure that his cameo today answers any of the questions about his positional play and discipline. We looked far better earlier.
Impact sub when opposition defenders are tired or on yellow cards, I'd say.
Including our team. :pAdama is an exciting talent but I'm not sure that his cameo today answers any of the questions about his positional play and discipline. We looked far better earlier.
Impact sub when opposition defenders are tired or on yellow cards, I'd say.
Agree completely. Teams will fear his unpredictability.
Adama is an exciting talent but I'm not sure that his cameo today answers any of the questions about his positional play and discipline. We looked far better earlier.
Impact sub when opposition defenders are tired or on yellow cards, I'd say.
Agree completely. Teams will fear his unpredictability.
We need strength in depth, we have been lacking it in the final third for far too long so I hope we can add to those that we already have.
jedinak and Ledley would be very good in midfield, if we could get De Laet at right back I think we are all set to challenge at the top end of the table this season, and so we should we are Aston Villa and need to be out if this league as soon as soon as we can.
Adama is an exciting talent but I'm not sure that his cameo today answers any of the questions about his positional play and discipline. We looked far better earlier.
Impact sub when opposition defenders are tired or on yellow cards, I'd say.
Agree completely. Teams will fear his unpredictability.
At this level certainly. PL defences will have him worked out though I think.
Italian press still talking about this lead coming from Bologna.
I would be really gutted to see Benteke at Albion.
Pulis will do it just to spite us such is the man's obsession.
I'd still rather have a no 9 who can play on the shoulder with real pace. Not sure bamford is that man. He seems a bit of a cultured all rounder who may lack the special ability to do it at prem level?
Bastion of truth John Percy says we expect to complete jedinak signing and bamford could follow...Yes, the Tweet I read said within 48 hours
Would Jedinack take Westwood's place in the team? If that's the case I'm all for him.
Would Jedinack take Westwood's place in the team? If that's the case I'm all for him.
Sorry if I've missed it - who's the Bologna player?
Sorry if I've missed it - who's the Bologna player?
Amadou Diawara - http://www.football-italia.net/89671/diawara-reconsiders-aston-villa
I guess you didn't see yesterdays game
Jedinak apparently next signing up by Tuesday.
Would Jedinack take Westwood's place in the team? If that's the case I'm all for him.
That Foristieri (?) fella didn't travel with Sheffield Wednesday yesterday to the game and isn't injured. I like the looks of him.
Adama is an exciting talent but I'm not sure that his cameo today answers any of the questions about his positional play and discipline. We looked far better earlier.
Impact sub when opposition defenders are tired or on yellow cards, I'd say.
I'd have thought we rotate between the two that played yday and jedinak. Some games, him and Tish would give us a lot more solidity to play on the break. Games like yesterday I'm not sure you need himIt's also very early days for Tish. He's young and will undoubtedly have a run where he loses consistency. I would still like to see a real leader in the middle. Jedinak would certainly be that.
That Foristieri (?) fella didn't travel with Sheffield Wednesday yesterday to the game and isn't injured. I like the looks of him.
Would Jedinack take Westwood's place in the team? If that's the case I'm all for him.
I think that Jedinak is closer to Tshibola is terms of style so suspect that westwood would keep his place as the metronome dictating the play (whereas Jedinak and Tshibola's primary skills are to break up the opposition's play).
Not sure what the finances are like, but if Jedinak happens I'd prefer us to spend big money on a striker not another midfielder.
Not sure what the finances are like, but if Jedinak happens I'd prefer us to spend big money on a striker not another midfielder.
Me too mate. If we are going for a big money buy like that, I would rather we spent it on a striker. Someone like Ledley would be decent buy for us in midfield.
Not sure what the finances are like, but if Jedinak happens I'd prefer us to spend big money on a striker not another midfielder.
Me too mate. If we are going for a big money buy like that, I would rather we spent it on a striker. Someone like Ledley would be decent buy for us in midfield.
well having been at the game yesterday, and actually an opnion I have had for a while, the attack is good enough or nearly whereas midfield is in need of a real leader, and westwood aint it, he don't seem to communicate, his passes are backward or sideward, and normally 5 yards, he has a canny nack of being where the ball isn't, he don't beat a player, and er goals, apart from that I'm his biggest fan. NO, Get Jedinak.
3-4 players who all deserve to start in 2 positions is best case scenario for me. I want the toughest job for RDM to be giving them all the game time they deserve because that'll mean they all fight to keep the shirt and should push us on.
Not sure what the finances are like, but if Jedinak happens I'd prefer us to spend big money on a striker not another midfielder.
Me too mate. If we are going for a big money buy like that, I would rather we spent it on a striker. Someone like Ledley would be decent buy for us in midfield.
well having been at the game yesterday, and actually an opnion I have had for a while, the attack is good enough or nearly whereas midfield is in need of a real leader, and westwood aint it, he don't seem to communicate, his passes are backward or sideward, and normally 5 yards, he has a canny nack of being where the ball isn't, he don't beat a player, and er goals, apart from that I'm his biggest fan. NO, Get Jedinak.
Don't think Benin qualified so Gestede will still be around in January but Ghana have so presumably we will lose Ayew for a while.
A fair amount of murmurs on Twitter saying we've agreed a fee and personal terms with Amadou Diawara of Bologna.
Regarding Diawara, I know it is YouTube but the montage from a couple of pages back is impressive. Great feet for a big lad but most impressive is how quickly he closes opposition players down. Excellent positional sense and uses his body well to get between the opposing player and ball.
A fair amount of murmurs on Twitter saying we've agreed a fee and personal terms with Amadou Diawara of Bologna.
A fee agreed between Villa and Bologna, yes. But apparently Diawara wanted a move to Roma. Napoli being the next-best option for the player. Personal terms agreed is a new one for me. Has he really agreed to move to Brum? If it's true, what kind of committment can we expect when he obviously wanted a move to an Italian club?
A fair amount of murmurs on Twitter saying we've agreed a fee and personal terms with Amadou Diawara of Bologna.
Regarding Diawara, I know it is YouTube but the montage from a couple of pages back is impressive. Great feet for a big lad but most impressive is how quickly he closes opposition players down. Excellent positional sense and uses his body well to get between the opposing player and ball.
He looks strong and tidy, but not a single goal or assist throughout..
Okore is a lesson to all of us about how good limited video evidence can be when judging a player.
He had the game of his life against Chelsea that evening.
We haven't seen anything like that in a Villa shirt.
Okore is a lesson to all of us about how good limited video evidence can be when judging a player.
He had the game of his life against Chelsea that evening.
We haven't seen anything like that in a Villa shirt.
He looked good enough when he first joined, but since the injury he's looked poor. That may have had something to do with it, as may the fact he was coming into a struggling side, but I can't help thinking there's something salvageable there.
http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/mile-jedinak-dismisses-talk-of-crystal-palace-exit-a3319931.htmlAnd that is the reality you only get limited chances to impress any manager and you have to perform.Garder has failed to show anything.
Confusing that one, on Jedinak. His direct quotes don't exactly contradict the suggestion the move is tied up, but they don't exactly support it either
I guess we'll find out soon enough
Either way, it's not looking good for Gardner at the moment is it? He had a great chance this season and he's not taken it at all.
A fair amount of murmurs on Twitter saying we've agreed a fee and personal terms with Amadou Diawara of Bologna.
A fee agreed between Villa and Bologna, yes. But apparently Diawara wanted a move to Roma. Napoli being the next-best option for the player. Personal terms agreed is a new one for me. Has he really agreed to move to Brum? If it's true, what kind of committment can we expect when he obviously wanted a move to an Italian club?
He obviously has yet to savour the brilliance of our city. A few hours here and he will have forgotten all about stinky Rome
Okore is a lesson to all of us about how good limited video evidence can be when judging a player.
He had the game of his life against Chelsea that evening.
We haven't seen anything like that in a Villa shirt.
Okore is a lesson to all of us about how good limited video evidence can be when judging a player.
He had the game of his life against Chelsea that evening.
We haven't seen anything like that in a Villa shirt.
One thing that always seems to get overlooked from the YouTube montage of that game against Chelsea, is that Nordsjælland actually lost the game 4-0!![/b]
Oh right so we're playing the Okore is suddenly a bad player card now are we? ::) He's a good player, but anyone would look medicore in the Villa team of the last few seasons. His attitude was bad at the end of last season, and I am happy for Chester and Elphick to play ahead of him, but us being in the Championship and his antics at the end of last season doesn't reflect on his on field talent.
I take it you didn't see his performance against Luton then? That certainly wasn't a performance of a "good player" by any stretch of the imagination.
And Okore must be about the 10th player that I've seen absolved of blame for last season because "he played in a poor team". The team was poor because of the likes of Okore, not in-spite of them!!
And Okore must be about the 10th player that I've seen absolved of blame for last season because "he played in a poor team". The team was poor because of the likes of Okore, not in-spite of them!!
But I would blame the likes of Gabby, Richards, Lescott who have far more experience ahead of Okore. And the point stands they club has struggled because of mis-management at board level and a string of poor managers. Yes most of the players were awful last season, but the decline had been setting in a long time before then.
I take it you didn't see his performance against Luton then? That certainly wasn't a performance of a "good player" by any stretch of the imagination.
No he's been rubbish this season, but then I think that is down to him not wanting to be at the club anymore and having a poor attitude. The thing for me is you would stuggle to count on one hand the Villa players who have played well over the last 2-3 seasons. And of course you can't make excuses for the playersm, but like I said the club has been so dire during that time and he is still young player so I kinda understand how his confidence would be a bit low. I still think he's done pretty well when he has played.
I wonder if the visa thing will become more of an issue once we're out of the EU and the current freedom of movement rules change
I wonder if the visa thing will become more of an issue once we're out of the EU and the current freedom of movement rules change
I wonder if the visa thing will become more of an issue once we're out of the EU and the current freedom of movement rules change
At the risk of polluting this with "Should we stay or go stuff", only if that deal includes free movement of people, which is the supposedly the whole point of Brexit, that you can have free movement of goods and services without free movement of people, so no such a deal wouldn't include freedom of movement unless the whole premise is bunkum.I wonder if the visa thing will become more of an issue once we're out of the EU and the current freedom of movement rules change
Well if we signed a trade agreement with Australia and New Zealand (has been mooted) it would make this one easier.
Whilst a good signing, £4m for a 32 year-old seems a bit steep!
At the risk of polluting this with "Should we stay or go stuff",
Whilst a good signing, £4m for a 32 year-old seems a bit steep!
I wonder if the visa thing will become more of an issue once we're out of the EU and the current freedom of movement rules change
Well if we signed a trade agreement with Australia and New Zealand (has been mooted) it would make this one easier.
Whilst a good signing, £4m for a 32 year-old seems a bit steep!
Do you think so? £100m guaranteed TV money in the Premier League from now on with the new deal.
Whilst a good signing, £4m for a 32 year-old seems a bit steep!
Do you think so? £100m guaranteed TV money in the Premier League from now on with the new deal.
Whilst a good signing, £4m for a 32 year-old seems a bit steep!
Do you think so? £100m guaranteed TV money in the Premier League from now on with the new deal.
Newsflash, we aren't in the premier league
Whilst a good signing, £4m for a 32 year-old seems a bit steep!
I think he will be very good for us, but £4 million for a 32 year old they are effectively pushing out the door and has been a great long term servant to them is a bit rich.
I think with the way we are spending money, promotion has to happen this year. Im worried that if we don't make it, we will get a whammy of high wages, tiny parachute payments left and competing against next years drop downs with the far bigger parachutes really worries me.
I think he will be very good for us, but £4 million for a 32 year old they are effectively pushing out the door and has been a great long term servant to them is a bit rich.
I think he will be very good for us, but £4 million for a 32 year old they are effectively pushing out the door and has been a great long term servant to them is a bit rich.
Ginola was 33 and we spent 3.5 million on him when there was far less money around
I think he will be very good for us, but £4 million for a 32 year old they are effectively pushing out the door and has been a great long term servant to them is a bit rich.
Ginola was 33 and we spent 3.5 million on him when there was far less money around
And that turned-out to be a colossal waste of cash!
Whilst a good signing, £4m for a 32 year-old seems a bit steep!
Do you think so? £100m guaranteed TV money in the Premier League from now on with the new deal.
Newsflash, we aren't in the premier league
Which is why we're spending £4m on a 32 year old leader in midfield to help us get back there. If he contributes to us getting promoted then he's worth every penny, that's the only way to look at these signings right now, their value is all about us getting back up, if it happens then we've go the spending right and all the extra money will come back from th enew TV deal.
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Agree - I'm glad someone realised what I was getting at!
Might be an old link but Cheikh Ndoye mentioned again - he's a unit all right - plus Captain of his club.
I think he will be very good for us, but £4 million for a 32 year old they are effectively pushing out the door and has been a great long term servant to them is a bit rich.
Ginola was 33 and we spent 3.5 million on him when there was far less money around
And that turned-out to be a colossal waste of cash!
I think he will be very good for us, but £4 million for a 32 year old they are effectively pushing out the door and has been a great long term servant to them is a bit rich.
Didn't we sign Habib Beye for a similar amount at a similar age a few years back.
O.k not a great example but obviously transfer fees have rocketed since MONconomics and it filters down...I don't think he's any more overpriced than McCormack was.
He's exactly what our midfield needs imo so at 4m I reckon he'll be good value. Better value than Tonev, Sanchez and all the other jokers we've signed for 3-4m in last 5 years.
Ginola was 33 and we spent 3.5 million on him when there was far less money around
I wonder if the visa thing will become more of an issue once we're out of the EU and the current freedom of movement rules change
Well if we signed a trade agreement with Australia and New Zealand (has been mooted) it would make this one easier.
We can't even begin to negotiate one until we leave (2 and a half years at the earliest). China said if we had 600 negotiators like they have it would take ten years to agree one with them. We have 24, who have to negotiate our exit from EU, our future relationship with EU, the 50-odd existing trade deals we currently have through the EU, replacing trade deals we have with the 27 remaining EU members and the replacement for the hugely complex legislation that is the Commin Agricultural Policy.
I think he might be a bit past it by the time we get round to bothering to negotiate new agreements about the relatively tiny bit of trade we'll do with Australia and New Zealand.
Or probably in a home.
I wonder if the visa thing will become more of an issue once we're out of the EU and the current freedom of movement rules change
Well if we signed a trade agreement with Australia and New Zealand (has been mooted) it would make this one easier.
We can't even begin to negotiate one until we leave (2 and a half years at the earliest). China said if we had 600 negotiators like they have it would take ten years to agree one with them. We have 24, who have to negotiate our exit from EU, our future relationship with EU, the 50-odd existing trade deals we currently have through the EU, replacing trade deals we have with the 27 remaining EU members and the replacement for the hugely complex legislation that is the Commin Agricultural Policy.
I think he might be a bit past it by the time we get round to bothering to negotiate new agreements about the relatively tiny bit of trade we'll do with Australia and New Zealand.
Or probably in a home.
That clears it all up then.
Is the reported Bamford deal a loan or permanent?The last few days it has been reported as a loan.
Think it is time for Chelsea to sell him as he is not getting football at Chelsea.
If we do get De Laet and Bamford in, then I think you would be hard pushed to have asked for a better transfer window. Experience in Tommy, Chester, Jedinak and McCormack through the spine, potential in Bamford and Tishbola but already shown they are quality at this level, a right back that's not Hutton and what looks to me a very promising young keeper.
Maybe a creative midfielder and a winger light of ideal but way stronger than the end of the season.
Im sure i read somewhere that FFP doesnt count under the first year of new ownership. I may be wrong.
If we do get De Laet and Bamford in, then I think you would be hard pushed to have asked for a better transfer window. Experience in Tommy, Chester, Jedinak and McCormack through the spine, potential in Bamford and Tishbola but already shown they are quality at this level, a right back that's not Hutton and what looks to me a very promising young keeper.
Maybe a creative midfielder and a winger light of ideal but way stronger than the end of the season.
Generally agree, but to add a note of caution. My guess is the this level of spending will put us beyond the FFP criteria, therefore if we do net get promoted next summer* then we could face sanctions the following year. As a lot of the signed players will have limited sell-on value we might face having to sell the Ayew/Grealish/"crown jewels" to balance the books.
That said, I don't think there was a realistic alternative option.
*I cannot remember the club but a recently promoted team overspent based on their championship earnings but the extra TV money in the PL meant they escaped sanction.
If we do get De Laet and Bamford in, then I think you would be hard pushed to have asked for a better transfer window. Experience in Tommy, Chester, Jedinak and McCormack through the spine, potential in Bamford and Tishbola but already shown they are quality at this level, a right back that's not Hutton and what looks to me a very promising young keeper.
Maybe a creative midfielder and a winger light of ideal but way stronger than the end of the season.
Generally agree, but to add a note of caution. My guess is the this level of spending will put us beyond the FFP criteria, therefore if we do net get promoted next summer* then we could face sanctions the following year. As a lot of the signed players will have limited sell-on value we might face having to sell the Ayew/Grealish/"crown jewels" to balance the books.
That said, I don't think there was a realistic alternative option.
*I cannot remember the club but a recently promoted team overspent based on their championship earnings but the extra TV money in the PL meant they escaped sanction.
I imagine it could bite if the gamble doesn't pay off though.
If we do get De Laet and Bamford in, then I think you would be hard pushed to have asked for a better transfer window. Experience in Tommy, Chester, Jedinak and McCormack through the spine, potential in Bamford and Tishbola but already shown they are quality at this level, a right back that's not Hutton and what looks to me a very promising young keeper.
Maybe a creative midfielder and a winger light of ideal but way stronger than the end of the season.
Generally agree, but to add a note of caution. My guess is the this level of spending will put us beyond the FFP criteria, therefore if we do net get promoted next summer* then we could face sanctions the following year. As a lot of the signed players will have limited sell-on value we might face having to sell the Ayew/Grealish/"crown jewels" to balance the books.
That said, I don't think there was a realistic alternative option.
*I cannot remember the club but a recently promoted team overspent based on their championship earnings but the extra TV money in the PL meant they escaped sanction.
Bournemouth received a £7m fine, and presumably laughed as they peeled £50 notes from their £100m+ Premier League windfall.
Middlesbrough will be dealt with similarly harshly this year.
If we do get De Laet and Bamford in, then I think you would be hard pushed to have asked for a better transfer window. Experience in Tommy, Chester, Jedinak and McCormack through the spine, potential in Bamford and Tishbola but already shown they are quality at this level, a right back that's not Hutton and what looks to me a very promising young keeper.
Maybe a creative midfielder and a winger light of ideal but way stronger than the end of the season.
Generally agree, but to add a note of caution. My guess is the this level of spending will put us beyond the FFP criteria, therefore if we do net get promoted next summer* then we could face sanctions the following year. As a lot of the signed players will have limited sell-on value we might face having to sell the Ayew/Grealish/"crown jewels" to balance the books.
That said, I don't think there was a realistic alternative option.
*I cannot remember the club but a recently promoted team overspent based on their championship earnings but the extra TV money in the PL meant they escaped sanction.
Bournemouth received a £7m fine, and presumably laughed as they peeled £50 notes from their £100m+ Premier League windfall.
Middlesbrough will be dealt with similarly harshly this year.
Surely if we are successful over the season, our income will be far greater than the income Bournemouth and Boro achieved? A 33k gate for the first match against Rotherham IMO would be the lower end of attendances if we are winning and pushing for promotion.
I don't think that Pointy will leave (especially after Burnley signed Defour). Maybe Gardner will be sent out on loan again or possibly released ?Agreed UKR.
If we do get De Laet and Bamford in, then I think you would be hard pushed to have asked for a better transfer window. Experience in Tommy, Chester, Jedinak and McCormack through the spine, potential in Bamford and Tishbola but already shown they are quality at this level, a right back that's not Hutton and what looks to me a very promising young keeper.
Maybe a creative midfielder and a winger light of ideal but way stronger than the end of the season.
I know its only the Star - but they seem to suggest personal terms agreed and everything in place and that Diawara will be confirmed today http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/538205/Amadou-Diawara-Aston-Villa-transfer-news-gossip That would be a statement to all concerned!
I'd like to hear more about Percy's leggy young bird if possible?
* For research purposes - I'm writing a book you see
I'd like to hear more about Percy's leggy young bird if possible?
* For research purposes - I'm writing a book you see
€17 million on a virtually unknown is a lot for this league or evn the premiership at the moment
I hope he is worth it
I worry about the amount of cash that we are splashing about, hopefully we won't get in the same mess as under Lerner, where we are losing £50 million + per season
I worry about the amount of cash that we are splashing about, hopefully we won't get in the same mess as under Lerner, where we are losing £50 million + per season
Lerner was an imbecile.
I worry about the amount of cash that we are splashing about, hopefully we won't get in the same mess as under Lerner, where we are losing £50 million + per season
Lerner was an imbecile.
Agree. I can't understand why people are worried at our spending. For 5 years people have moaned at austerity - and look where we ended up. I'm all for signing players to reverse the mess created by Lerner and his cronies.
I worry about the amount of cash that we are splashing about, hopefully we won't get in the same mess as under Lerner, where we are losing £50 million + per season
Lerner was an imbecile.
€17 million on a virtually unknown is a lot for this league or evn the premiership at the moment
I hope he is worth it
Please post the real world recipe for how the club should be run.I worry about the amount of cash that we are splashing about, hopefully we won't get in the same mess as under Lerner, where we are losing £50 million + per season
Lerner was an imbecile.
Dr X obviously isn't...
Please post the real world recipe for how the club should be run.I worry about the amount of cash that we are splashing about, hopefully we won't get in the same mess as under Lerner, where we are losing £50 million + per season
Lerner was an imbecile.
Dr X obviously isn't...
Please post the real world recipe for how the club should be run.I worry about the amount of cash that we are splashing about, hopefully we won't get in the same mess as under Lerner, where we are losing £50 million + per season
Lerner was an imbecile.
Dr X obviously isn't...
:) if you can - or anyone who think we are spending too much (Who would have thought that).Please post the real world recipe for how the club should be run.I worry about the amount of cash that we are splashing about, hopefully we won't get in the same mess as under Lerner, where we are losing £50 million + per season
Lerner was an imbecile.
Dr X obviously isn't...
Who.? Me.?
Please post the real world recipe for how the club should be run.I worry about the amount of cash that we are splashing about, hopefully we won't get in the same mess as under Lerner, where we are losing £50 million + per season
Lerner was an imbecile.
Dr X obviously isn't...
Strip all the assets and adopt a sell to buy policy.. again. ::)
What's all the fuss about. The man pledged 30 - 40m in transfer funds when he got here. If it all goes pear-shaped and he digs his head into the sand like his predecessor than we can dust off our pitchforks. Enjoy the new signings while we can.
:) if you can - or anyone who think we are spending too much (Who would have thought that).Please post the real world recipe for how the club should be run.I worry about the amount of cash that we are splashing about, hopefully we won't get in the same mess as under Lerner, where we are losing £50 million + per season
Lerner was an imbecile.
Dr X obviously isn't...
Who.? Me.?
There is no such thing as sure success, except that if you do not work for it, you will definitely not have success (Lerner)
The ideal situation is that we get this window right and then for the next couple of summers we only need to spend 20 (for that first season back in the Prem to supplement our quality) and then operate on a sell and buy policy. Lerner never managed that. O Neill rebuilt our defence 3 summers running and had no sell on value on almost anyone at the back that he bought.:) if you can - or anyone who think we are spending too much (Who would have thought that).Please post the real world recipe for how the club should be run.I worry about the amount of cash that we are splashing about, hopefully we won't get in the same mess as under Lerner, where we are losing £50 million + per season
Lerner was an imbecile.
Dr X obviously isn't...
Who.? Me.?
There is no such thing as sure success, except that if you do not work for it, you will definitely not have success (Lerner)
Who says I think we're spending too much? Although I think we might be gambling on Permier League money next year.
The ideal situation is that we get this window right and then for the next couple of summers we only need to spend 20 (for that first season back in the Prem to supplement our quality).
Nowhere near enough pace up front.
he looks like a bloke you wouldn't fuck with in a bar
he looks like a bloke you wouldn't fuck with in a bar
He looks like a bloke you'd see in a Cereal Cafe.
he looks like a bloke you wouldn't fuck with in a bar
He looks like a bloke you'd see in a Cereal Cafe.
he looks like a bloke you wouldn't fuck with in a bar
He looks like a bloke you'd see in a Cereal Cafe.
I have to ask, what's a cereal cafe?
Google it in images and you'll see the Twat brothers.
How did that Nahki Wells play, I saw his effort that hit the post?
Nowhere near enough pace up front.
How did that Nahki Wells play, I saw his effort that hit the post?He changed the game whne he came on, or at least their attacking intent and tactics altered
Nowhere near enough pace up front.
Agreed and Ayew seems to want to play off a front man rather than leading the line.
Traore is a circus player imo and Kozak was never good enough. Leaving only RHM and Gabby as our other options up top.
Still think we might see Ayew leave before end of window, doesn't really fit at the moment in the position he wants to play. Genuine right sided winger like Victor Moses might suit us better or even Diouf at Stoke as an option up top.
Nowhere near enough pace up front.
Agreed and Ayew seems to want to play off a front man rather than leading the line.
Traore is a circus player imo and Kozak was never good enough. Leaving only RHM and Gabby as our other options up top.
Still think we might see Ayew leave before end of window, doesn't really fit at the moment in the position he wants to play. Genuine right sided winger like Victor Moses might suit us better or even Diouf at Stoke as an option up top.
Agree re Ayew. Not convinced he really wants to be here and if we get £15m we can replace with better
How did that Nahki Wells play, I saw his effort that hit the post?
Nowhere near enough pace up front.
Agreed and Ayew seems to want to play off a front man rather than leading the line.
Traore is a circus player imo and Kozak was never good enough. Leaving only RHM and Gabby as our other options up top.
Still think we might see Ayew leave before end of window, doesn't really fit at the moment in the position he wants to play. Genuine right sided winger like Victor Moses might suit us better or even Diouf at Stoke as an option up top.
Agree re Ayew. Not convinced he really wants to be here and if we get £15m we can replace with better
he looks like a bloke you wouldn't fuck with in a bar
How did that Nahki Wells play, I saw his effort that hit the post?
Excellent when he came on, was buzzing around and a focal point upfront for them.
In fairness I'm not sold on the 4-2-3-1 RDM is going with....once Tshibola tired in the second half our midfield was overrun again.
Once Gestede stops scoring I'd take him out, have McC and Ayew as front two, play Jack more centrally behind them and have three centrally. Would need Amavi also in the team to make it work as full backs would need to provide the width.
Veretout is still around. I'd prefer to see him playing ahead of Gardner
Ashley Young would be brilliant for us as a wide option now. Works hard but good going forward too. Pace up front is a huge worry. We need another midfielder after Jedinak too. Nowhere near enough depth.
Make that 3Add me into the equation and make it four.
We're still quite heavily linked to Ravel Morrison by a lot of the more reliable Twitter sources, with most of them saying that a deal's in place but he's waiting to see if a Premiership move materialises first.
We're still quite heavily linked to Ravel Morrison by a lot of the more reliable Twitter sources, with most of them saying that a deal's in place but he's waiting to see if a Premiership move materialises first.
I dont want a player who thinks Villa are second best . I want a player like Chester who couldnt wait to sign for us.
We're still quite heavily linked to Ravel Morrison by a lot of the more reliable Twitter sources, with most of them saying that a deal's in place but he's waiting to see if a Premiership move materialises first.
I dont want a player who thinks Villa are second best . I want a player like Chester who couldnt wait to sign for us.
Veretout is still around. I'd prefer to see him playing ahead of Gardner
Me too.
Agreed (edit - with Russell). We're a mid table championship team as it stands. We can't expect due deference from players with no connection to the club based on our distant past.
Benteke openly used us as a stepping stone but then he kept us up a couple of times single handedly. If there is another prodigiously gifted mercenary out there that gets us promoted I'm all for it.
Agreed (edit - with Russell). We're a mid table championship team as it stands. We can't expect due deference from players with no connection to the club based on our distant past.
Benteke openly used us as a stepping stone but then he kept us up a couple of times single handedly. If there is another prodigiously gifted mercenary out there that gets us promoted I'm all for it.
He is not exactly Beneteke is he , he has a poor past and has let a lot of managers and teams down. I would understand a Amadou Diawara type waiting for maybe a better option but we are Aston Villa and he is Ravel Morrison and if he wants to wait for Hull or Burnley well good luck to him.
Veretout is still around. I'd prefer to see him playing ahead of Gardner
Me too.
Veretout dosen't want to be here though, can only think there's not much interest in him.
There were a few rumours about his attitude in the summer, displaying all the signs he didn't want to hang around. It was posted on here, believe!Veretout is still around. I'd prefer to see him playing ahead of Gardner
Me too.
Veretout dosen't want to be here though, can only think there's not much interest in him.
Says who?
Genuine question, have I missed something with him?
Veretout is still around. I'd prefer to see him playing ahead of Gardner
Me too.
Veretout dosen't want to be here though, can only think there's not much interest in him.
Says who?
Genuine question, have I missed something with him?
Veretout is still around. I'd prefer to see him playing ahead of Gardner
Me too.
Veretout dosen't want to be here though, can only think there's not much interest in him.
Says who?
Genuine question, have I missed something with him?
I'm pretty sure his agent was quote as saying he had no intention of playing in the championship earlier this summer. How on earth he's got the idea this is below him is frankly baffling. He should be chomping at the bit to tear this league up and show us what he's made of
Agreed (edit - with Russell). We're a mid table championship team as it stands. We can't expect due deference from players with no connection to the club based on our distant past.
Benteke openly used us as a stepping stone but then he kept us up a couple of times single handedly. If there is another prodigiously gifted mercenary out there that gets us promoted I'm all for it.
He is not exactly Beneteke is he , he has a poor past and has let a lot of managers and teams down. I would understand a Amadou Diawara type waiting for maybe a better option but we are Aston Villa and he is Ravel Morrison and if he wants to wait for Hull or Burnley well good luck to him.
That's fine, but it contradicts your original point that you don't want "a player who thinks Villa are second best." Essentially, you just don't want Morrison?
He's a piss taker/time waster and we've had enough of them. Him and Gabby will be on Broad Street every night. No thanks.
... The squads still badly missing a winger too ...What's wrong with Green?
Agreed (edit - with Russell). We're a mid table championship team as it stands. We can't expect due deference from players with no connection to the club based on our distant past.
Benteke openly used us as a stepping stone but then he kept us up a couple of times single handedly. If there is another prodigiously gifted mercenary out there that gets us promoted I'm all for it.
He is not exactly Beneteke is he , he has a poor past and has let a lot of managers and teams down. I would understand a Amadou Diawara type waiting for maybe a better option but we are Aston Villa and he is Ravel Morrison and if he wants to wait for Hull or Burnley well good luck to him.
That's fine, but it contradicts your original point that you don't want "a player who thinks Villa are second best." Essentially, you just don't want Morrison?
Veretout doesn't want to play for the club in this league.
Like you, I've no idea how Morrison would work out. I agree, if he's a success though he'd probably looking for a move sooner rather than later. If the fee isn't too high I think I'd be inclined to take a chance on him, as he's undoubtedly a huge, huge talent. Didn't Rio Ferdinand say that he was the most naturally gifted footballer he'd seen come through the Utd Youth Team...?!
Veretout doesn't want to play for the club in this league.
Understandable that he doesn't want to be showed up for not being up to the standard - again.
Veretout doesn't want to play for the club in this league.
Understandable that he doesn't want to be showed up for not being up to the standard - again.
its quite nice Leicester won the league
ha ha
nice one Veretout
Veretout doesn't want to play for the club in this league.
Understandable that he doesn't want to be showed up for not being up to the standard - again.
its quite nice Leicester won the league
ha ha
nice one Veretout
Leicester is a red herring. He wouldn't have got in the team that won the league - or put it the other way - if he had, then they wouldn't have got anywhere near winning the league.
He's simply not up to it - he's way behind Westwood, Gana and Sanchez who were rightly criticised for not being good enough.
Veretout doesn't want to play for the club in this league.
Understandable that he doesn't want to be showed up for not being up to the standard - again.
its quite nice Leicester won the league
ha ha
nice one Veretout
Leicester is a red herring. He wouldn't have got in the team that won the league - or put it the other way - if he had, then they wouldn't have got anywhere near winning the league.
He's simply not up to it - he's way behind Westwood, Gana and Sanchez who were rightly criticised for not being good enough.
I remember listening to a french footy expect talking about Veretout and he said Villa was playing him in the complete wrong position , whatever that is.
... The squads still badly missing a winger too ...What's wrong with Green?
Veretout is still around. I'd prefer to see him playing ahead of Gardner
Me too.
Veretout dosen't want to be here though, can only think there's not much interest in him.
Says who?
Genuine question, have I missed something with him?
What is the consensus on how best to use him? I'm genuinely sketchy about this. I sort of assume he's ideally a Barry style continuity player as opposed to an out and out AM or DM.
Veretout is still around. I'd prefer to see him playing ahead of Gardner
Me too.
Veretout dosen't want to be here though, can only think there's not much interest in him.
Says who?
Genuine question, have I missed something with him?
It was in the Mail a few weeks back that he'd informed the club he didn't want to play in the championship and was open to loan moves.
Since the Marseille loaned fell through nothing but given he can't even make the bench it appears we're just waiting for a club to come in for him close to the deadline.
Some twitter sources are linking Kieran Trippier on loan from Spurs. Would be a great signing IMO. Would prefer to him to De Laet.
Some twitter sources are linking Kieran Trippier on loan from Spurs. Would be a great signing IMO. Would prefer to him to De Laet.From what I saw of him last year that would be a great signing.
Some twitter sources are linking Kieran Trippier on loan from Spurs. Would be a great signing IMO. Would prefer to him to De Laet.From what I saw of him last year that would be a great signing.
Tony tweeted an announcement of a signing at 5pm via twitter. 40 minutes to wait
I understand your point, but if he doesn't get the chance to play we won't see goals or assists from him.... The squads still badly missing a winger too ...What's wrong with Green?
He's a kid. Looks to have a lot of potential but I wouldn't want to rely on a youngster who's yet to produce a goal or an assist in the first-team to be our supply-line for the entirety of a Championship season.
I'd love trippier but spurs rotate their full backs so I can't see it
I'd love trippier but spurs rotate their full backs so I can't see it
If he doesn't rate adama we need another proper wide or creative player I think
Green will still get plenty of chances
Not sure we need a right back when Bacuna Hutton Richards Lyden can all play there.
Definitely another midfielder needed.
And a quick and mobile striker.
Midfielder, Winger, Striker, Right back to go.
Traore is the winger, just get him fit and coached. A replacement for Agbonlahlor, an upgrade on Cissokho/Bennett and we're good to go.
Midfielder, Winger, Striker, Right back to go.
That's a big ask in a week or so. I'd love it to be true, but a creative player and some pace are our priorities.
Midfielder, Winger, Striker, Right back to go.
That's a big ask in a week or so. I'd love it to be true, but a creative player and some pace are our priorities.
Quite possible if we know who we're after. Could be that a lot of work has been done already.
Midfielder, Winger, Striker, Right back to go.
That's a big ask in a week or so. I'd love it to be true, but a creative player and some pace are our priorities.
Quite possible if we know who we're after. Could be that a lot of work has been done already.
Would have thought that would be the case and the deals just need finalising. A striker is a priority for me above any other position.
Edit: Just seen the Traore thread. Oh well, let's get someone who's a bit more ready and willing then.
I might wel be wrong but didn't Ayew play up front the season before we bought him with some success?
I might wel be wrong but didn't Ayew play up front the season before we bought him with some success?
He'd be my forward, no question. I think he'd frighten the life out of some defences and with some decent supply he'd score a hatful. Not a winger/wing forward for me.
I might wel be wrong but didn't Ayew play up front the season before we bought him with some success?
He'd be my forward, no question. I think he'd frighten the life out of some defences and with some decent supply he'd score a hatful. Not a winger/wing forward for me.
I think he will be better if we can get the ball to him through midfield faster. The clips I saw of him in France tended to show him in a lot of space. I had thought that Veretout would be ideal for this but he seems out of favour.
...Would Benetke be tempted???No
...Would Benetke be tempted???No
...Would Benetke be tempted???No
no thanks, I could actually see what Brendan Rogers said. one dimensional, we made him look good because the team worked for him, and I don't want to go back to that,
the FA Cup final against arsenal, Wenger so got his tactics right, stop the final ball to benteke and you've contained Villa.
Agree entirely...Would Benetke be tempted???No
no thanks, I could actually see what Brendan Rogers said. one dimensional, we made him look good because the team worked for him, and I don't want to go back to that,
the FA Cup final against arsenal, Wenger so got his tactics right, stop the final ball to benteke and you've contained Villa.
One dimensional?! Headers, long-range shots, solo-runs, over-head-kicks, free-kicks...!? How's that one-dimensional?! The team that" made him look good" did a pretty good job of not looking very good when he wasn't in it.
Yes, he had off-days too, but to suggest that he was one-dimensional is just wrong.
...Would Benetke be tempted???No
no thanks, I could actually see what Brendan Rogers said. one dimensional, we made him look good because the team worked for him, and I don't want to go back to that,
the FA Cup final against arsenal, Wenger so got his tactics right, stop the final ball to benteke and you've contained Villa.
One dimensional?! Headers, long-range shots, solo-runs, over-head-kicks, free-kicks...!? How's that one-dimensional?! The team that" made him look good" did a pretty good job of not looking very good when he wasn't in it.
Yes, he had off-days too, but to suggest that he was one-dimensional is just wrong.
...Would Benetke be tempted???No
no thanks, I could actually see what Brendan Rogers said. one dimensional, we made him look good because the team worked for him, and I don't want to go back to that,
the FA Cup final against arsenal, Wenger so got his tactics right, stop the final ball to benteke and you've contained Villa.
One dimensional?! Headers, long-range shots, solo-runs, over-head-kicks, free-kicks...!? How's that one-dimensional?! The team that" made him look good" did a pretty good job of not looking very good when he wasn't in it.
Yes, he had off-days too, but to suggest that he was one-dimensional is just wrong.
Is it worth a shot ......
Amarvi to Liverpool 12 million - they want a left back
Ayew to West Ham 15 million - his brother now injured
The Big Man back home ....Im sure Dr Tony could convince him 30 million
Little outlay ...we have cover at left back and Im not sure about Ayew out wide ........... Would Benetke be tempted???
As the kids would say 'lols at someone suggesting they wouldn't take Benteke back in a heart beat'
...Would Benetke be tempted???No
no thanks, I could actually see what Brendan Rogers said. one dimensional, we made him look good because the team worked for him, and I don't want to go back to that,
the FA Cup final against arsenal, Wenger so got his tactics right, stop the final ball to benteke and you've contained Villa.
One dimensional?! Headers, long-range shots, solo-runs, over-head-kicks, free-kicks...!? How's that one-dimensional?! The team that" made him look good" did a pretty good job of not looking very good when he wasn't in it.
Yes, he had off-days too, but to suggest that he was one-dimensional is just wrong.
I think one dimensional means exactly what you say, where were the assists, where was thee defensive ability, the lay off's the team ethic. so the reason Liverpool are selling him is because he does not fit into there team and by the same token, I think we are evolving and need players that work for the team.
Is it worth a shot ......Cover at left back, you say. Who? - Bennett is effectively unproven and Cissokho is shite.
Amarvi to Liverpool 12 million - they want a left back
Ayew to West Ham 15 million - his brother now injured
The Big Man back home ....Im sure Dr Tony could convince him 30 million
Little outlay ...we have cover at left back and Im not sure about Ayew out wide ........... Would Benetke be tempted???
...Would Benetke be tempted???No
no thanks, I could actually see what Brendan Rogers said. one dimensional, we made him look good because the team worked for him, and I don't want to go back to that,
the FA Cup final against arsenal, Wenger so got his tactics right, stop the final ball to benteke and you've contained Villa.
One dimensional?! Headers, long-range shots, solo-runs, over-head-kicks, free-kicks...!? How's that one-dimensional?! The team that" made him look good" did a pretty good job of not looking very good when he wasn't in it.
Yes, he had off-days too, but to suggest that he was one-dimensional is just wrong.
I think one dimensional means exactly what you say, where were the assists, where was thee defensive ability, the lay off's the team ethic. so the reason Liverpool are selling him is because he does not fit into there team and by the same token, I think we are evolving and need players that work for the team.
The assists were there, not as many as he got goals but I reckon he got 4-5 a season, which is fine considering he was our main goal threat.
Defensive ability, who cares he's a 9, his main defensive contributions should've been to close down defenders a few times, be an 'out' ball for us to clear to and come back and be a presence defending set pieces, he did all of those to an acceptable standard.
Lay offs - he's probably the best forward we've had in the last 15-20 years at bringing people into play so I'm not sure where to start with that criticism.
Liverpool are selling him because their fans never wanted him and without that support his head has gone down and he's a shadow of the player we sold them, not because he's one-dimensional.
He's as complete a centre-forward as anyone in the league and Villa fans criticising him smacks a little of 'yeah well he wasn't that great anyway' to make themselves feel a little better over him leaving. The one-dimensional player you're describing is the guy we bought to replace him.
spread of goals round the team?? you can defend from the front, the best teams do. and to buy a player back, after his had his big move, whats his head going to be saying to him.
seriously his not coming back, and yes I'm one Villa fan that thinks its best for both parties.
I think one dimensional means exactly what you say, where were the assists, where was thee defensive ability, the lay off's the team ethic. so the reason Liverpool are selling him is because he does not fit into there team and by the same token, I think we are evolving and need players that work for the team.
Anyone who thinks Benteke would come back to us is deluded.
Please, please can we stop talking about Benteke? Hes gone and he is never coming back. He backs himself to be a champions league player which is why he left us. By the time we get back he will be on a long contract with a club of similar stature to where we were when he left and will have no reason to join us. come on now, let it go....
My bet is on him going to Everton after a year at Palace.
What, Benteke's coming back? Amazing! Where are the bouncing boobs and dancing banana emoticons?
What, Benteke's coming back? Amazing! Where are the bouncing boobs and dancing banana emoticons?
Fcuk the bananas!
Benteke is rumoured to be on £120-140K a week and will cost £30m+. Does anyone seriously think we'll be smashing to bits our transfer and wages records as a second division club?
Benteke is rumoured to be on £120-140K a week and will cost £30m+. Does anyone seriously think we'll be smashing to bits our transfer and wages records as a second division club?
Maybe if Liverpool are serious about Amarvi then something could be looked at ........ I am not convinced that Ayew fits into the team as where he is playing is not his strength ........... those two out and one in ...... net spend couple of million
Lets be honest with Benteke up front in this current team you would very seriously be looking at automatic promotion
Gollini
De Laat Elphick Chester Bennett
Bacuna Tshibola Jedineck Grealish
Benteke McCorkmack
I thought Bennett had gone???
Benteke is rumoured to be on £120-140K a week and will cost £30m+. Does anyone seriously think we'll be smashing to bits our transfer and wages records as a second division club?
Benteke is rumoured to be on £120-140K a week and will cost £30m+. Does anyone seriously think we'll be smashing to bits our transfer and wages records as a second division club?
Apparently fee agreed with Palace for Benteke...must say their ground is a bit of a dump.
Apparently fee agreed with Palace for Benteke...must say their ground is a bit of a dump.
He's inching ever closer to Arsenal. Fuck him!
How about a £8-10 million offer for Connor Wickham then
How about a £8-10 million offer for Connor Wickham then
Great idea - so long as it's not from us.
Woeful player with the sort of attitude that would see him join Gabby's gang.How about a £8-10 million offer for Connor Wickham then
Great idea - so long as it's not from us.
How about a £8-10 million offer for Connor Wickham then
Great idea - so long as it's not from us.
Loan?
He must be devastated at not getting his dream move to The Hawthorns.Apparently fee agreed with Palace for Benteke...must say their ground is a bit of a dump.
He's inching ever closer to Arsenal. Fuck him!
How about a £8-10 million offer for Connor Wickham then
Great idea - so long as it's not from us.
Loan?
I expect better from you footyskillz.
Woeful player with the sort of attitude that would see him join Gabby's gang.How about a £8-10 million offer for Connor Wickham then
Great idea - so long as it's not from us.
Woeful player with the sort of attitude that would see him join Gabby's gang.How about a £8-10 million offer for Connor Wickham then
Great idea - so long as it's not from us.
Didn't know who is off pitch antics ! Ahhh no wonder hasn't amount to much ! Good Intel! Yeah I don't want any more of those types. Do you like Walters - a tough competitor! Or Nugent -champ skills and know how. I can't think anymore experience strikers from prem league who could come
Klopp very politely telling Danny Ings to bugger off somewhere and get games. Nobody has our number 9 shirt yet.
Klopp very politely telling Danny Ings to bugger off somewhere and get games. Nobody has our number 9 shirt yet.
I think he would be ideal. Whilst not lightening quick he is a right pest and constantly on the move.
Woeful player with the sort of attitude that would see him join Gabby's gang.How about a £8-10 million offer for Connor Wickham then
Great idea - so long as it's not from us.
Didn't know who is off pitch antics ! Ahhh no wonder hasn't amount to much ! Good Intel! Yeah I don't want any more of those types. Do you like Walters - a tough competitor! Or Nugent -champ skills and know how. I can't think anymore experience strikers from prem league who could come
No and no. It's not about being experienced or not, it's about being the type of player we need. We need pace the only one of our attackers with any pace (assuming Gabby and Adama are out) is Ayew and even then he's not much quicker than your average professional, Rudy, Jack and RM are all slow and that lack of pace makes us predictable. RHM and Green are both pretty quick but they're too inexperienced for us to rely on them to change the game like that. We need a quick striker who likes the ball into feet or on the floor into the channels and we need another winger.
Jay Rodriguez Southampton.He's great at diving for penalties in the Holte End 18 yard area. Still can't forgive that.
Jay Rodriguez Southampton.He's great at diving for penalties in the Holte End 18 yard area. Still can't forgive that.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/08/18/aston-villa-consider-3m-move-for-tottenham-defender-deandre-yedl/
How about a £8-10 million offer for Connor Wickham then
Woeful player with the sort of attitude that would see him join Gabby's gang.How about a £8-10 million offer for Connor Wickham then
Great idea - so long as it's not from us.
Didn't know who is off pitch antics ! Ahhh no wonder hasn't amount to much ! Good Intel! Yeah I don't want any more of those types. Do you like Walters - a tough competitor! Or Nugent -champ skills and know how. I can't think anymore experience strikers from prem league who could come
No and no. It's not about being experienced or not, it's about being the type of player we need. We need pace the only one of our attackers with any pace (assuming Gabby and Adama are out) is Ayew and even then he's not much quicker than your average professional, Rudy, Jack and RM are all slow and that lack of pace makes us predictable. RHM and Green are both pretty quick but they're too inexperienced for us to rely on them to change the game like that. We need a quick striker who likes the ball into feet or on the floor into the channels and we need another winger.
Someone suggested Danny ings. Is that a good compromise. I agree with pace and your response makes sense upon reflection ! What do you maje of ings for your criteria
I'd like Wells. Lots of pace which is what we need.
I'd like Wells. Lots of pace which is what we need.
Can't forgive him for Bradford or Rodriguez for Saints.
Only pure players who have not smithed us in the past. It's a short shortlist containing innocuous hotshots like Kevin Kyle.
Jonathan Kodjia for me.
I'd like Wells. Lots of pace which is what we need.
Can't forgive him for Bradford or Rodriguez for Saints.
Only pure players who have not smithed us in the past. It's a short shortlist containing innocuous hotshots like Kevin Kyle.
I personally don't rate Wells. he did ok the other night and was good in their cup run a few years back but I'm totally against buying player because they played well against us when we were shit.
Moyes is supposedly looking at Assombalonga with the view to signing him for Sunderland.
I don't see the appeal of Bamford, Was shit in both loans last season and whenever I saw him for Boro (very limited times to be fair) he looked like a decent poacher but not much more than that.
Jonathan Kodjia for me.
Can't see that happening, their chairman was in the press a few weeks back saying that he will only go to a premier league club for silly money and that he's not for sale to a championship club at any price.
Jonathan Kodjia for me.
Can't see that happening, their chairman was in the press a few weeks back saying that he will only go to a premier league club for silly money and that he's not for sale to a championship club at any price.
Depends on how much money we have left though.
Jonathan Kodjia for me.
Can't see that happening, their chairman was in the press a few weeks back saying that he will only go to a premier league club for silly money and that he's not for sale to a championship club at any price.
The other downside with Kodjia is that (I think) he'll be away for the ACN in January, along with Ayew. Losing 2 of our first-choice strikers for a month would be a big hit.
Striker who always looks sharp is Assombalonga - Forest owner is barking too so a decent offer might get snapped upHe would be a great addition
He might - but he's only been capped a couple of times. Bony, Kalou, Gervinho, Sio and Doumbia are probably all ahead of him.
Ings is too similar to McCormack for me. In the system that RDM wants to play we need a striker who's more capable of playing with his back to goal IMO. Hence the links to players like Hernandez and the starting place for Gestede.
I'm not too sure how effective someone like Bamford would be in this role either, so I'd possibly be looking at somebody like Beneteke at Liverpool (just kidding). Frustratingly, I think that a fit Libor Kozak would be a great fit, but that's equally as unlikely as the previous suggestion!
Hasnt the Dr said one more signing ?
Hasnt the Dr said one more signing ?
He said the difficult one that may take a while is the new number 9 and then in a separate tweet said he thought there would be a couple more too.
I know it's the Mail but...DeAndre Yedlin linked...or have I actually missed that boat already :)
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-heres-what-fans-11771123
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I don't believe Kozak exists.
I don't believe Kozak exists.
Seriously, what has happened to him?
Austin?? Where's that come from?
Maybe an outlandish move for Nasri on loan should be attempted. Victir moses would get on well in championship. These signings needed to match Newcastle forays in market.
Incog tweets we are interested in a Marc Albrighton return
Incog tweets we are interested in a Marc Albrighton return
I could see that.
Incog tweets we are interested in a Marc Albrighton return
I could see that.
There is a world of difference between being interested in signing someone and being likely to sign someone.
Is there anyone that's accurate more often than not on twitter with regards to Villa? I do follow incog. and agent Dave as well as Pat Murphy.
There is a world of difference between being interested in signing someone and being likely to sign someone.
Is there anyone that's accurate more often than not on twitter with regards to Villa? I do follow incog. and agent Dave as well as Pat Murphy.
I'd rather have him than some of the shit we've had, N'Zog and now the unwilling Adama and Veretout. Fucking felchers.Incog tweets we are interested in a Marc Albrighton return
I could see that.
I wouldn't be happy to see albrighton back. He needed to move on
Nasri, Benteke, Albrighton. Piece of piss signing them.
Nasri, Benteke, Albrighton. Piece of piss signing them.
RDM wants them "as a three" after watching an episode of MOTD last season.
I see Benteke has completed his move to Palace not a great start with his post on Twitter:
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Ravel Morrison not starting for Lazio, not in the full match squad either by the looks of it
Christian Benteke @chrisbenteke 40m
Oops my bad lol Yes I signed for cpfc and not burnley. Sorry for the little mistake the person that manages my Twitter got a little confused
got a feeling his three years with us will be the longest stay at any club during his career
Benteke's desperation to get away from us led him to make a move to a side that simply didn't fit the way he likes to play the game. If there is one thing Sherwood (AKA the cock) would have done is played to his strengths. Rodgers was influenced by the committee up there to bring in a player that in no way worked in his system, but the money was there and spent and Benteke and his roach of an agent got rich. On the back of missing the WC, he then fucks up his chances of the Euro's by disappearing off the map as a footballer at the elite level at precisely the wrong time. Now instead of leading the line at one of Europe's top clubs which we all thought he'd be at if he just bided his time with us, he's now going to play mid table PL football for the next couple of seasons before trying to get a move away again. I have no doubt he'll do ok with Palace. It won't shock me to see him get 15 this season and restore some of his credibility, but he will never be the bright talent that threatened to be so much more while he was with us.
Benteke's desperation to get away from us led him to make a move to a side that simply didn't fit the way he likes to play the game. If there is one thing Sherwood (AKA the cock) would have done is played to his strengths. Rodgers was influenced by the committee up there to bring in a player that in no way worked in his system, but the money was there and spent and Benteke and his roach of an agent got rich. On the back of missing the WC, he then fucks up his chances of the Euro's by disappearing off the map as a footballer at the elite level at precisely the wrong time. Now instead of leading the line at one of Europe's top clubs which we all thought he'd be at if he just bided his time with us, he's now going to play mid table PL football for the next couple of seasons before trying to get a move away again. I have no doubt he'll do ok with Palace. It won't shock me to see him get 15 this season and restore some of his credibility, but he will never be the bright talent that threatened to be so much more while he was with us.
Good post. I've got Everton down as his next move.
We badly need some pace.RHM and Green?
Still need 4 more players...2 midfielders, a right back and a forward.
Weve already got the two midfieldersStill need 4 more players...2 midfielders, a right back and a forward.
100% agree. I think without these we won't stand a chance of promotion. Get them and we would have the chance
A 9 and a wide player, both with pace. If that's our lot i'd be ok with that.
Once Jedi is sorted I think the options in midfield with Lyden as backup is enough for now, that's on the basis that Veretout hasn't gone anywhere and will be reintegrated if that doesn't change.
I would like a better right back but I think that can wait until the right option is available as Bacuna is doing a decent enough job.
Jay Rodriguez on a season long loan might not be the worst shout, he needs regular football and I dont think Southampton can give it to him
Im coming more around to the idea of giving Gabby another chance too
Maybe thats a type of stockholm syndrome kicking in but after watching Kozak today, Gestede and McCormack thus far, we must have the slowest forwards in the division
We need forward options on the bench for this league, Libor Kozak aint one
I've only watched the Sheffield Wednesday game so far, don't get many games over here now.
Forgive me if I'm wrong but but I thought McCormack would be the focal point of our attack an out & out goal scorer if you like, why are we playing him so deep - he's not a number 10 is he?
I'd have thought Ayew & Jack would play left and right behind him.
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Jay Rodriguez on a season long loan might not be the worst shout, he needs regular football and I dont think Southampton can give it to him
Im coming more around to the idea of giving Gabby another chance too
Maybe thats a type of stockholm syndrome kicking in but after watching Kozak today, Gestede and McCormack thus far, we must have the slowest forwards in the division
We need forward options on the bench for this league, Libor Kozak aint one
After today want another midfield enforcer in case Jedinak or Tshibola get a bad knock, just can't see a promotion bid with Westwood in the middle.
I think Westwood would be OK alongside either Tish or Jedinak should either of them be unavailable.
We have seen already this season that he has been ok when playing with Tish.
I agree though, Westwood looks totally exposed when being asked to provide the quality when he is playing alongside the likes of Gardner etc.
Talk is Veretout is having a medical at St Ettienne on Monday. If true, then it creates space for another central midfielder.the Hernandez link seemed to be quite strong a week or so back. Seems to have gone quiet now- I reckon it might be dead now.
I do think with the likes of Jedinak, McCormack, Elphick and Chester through the spine, we might get the best out of Ravel Morrison, but his character would always be a worry.
Up front the more I watch us the more I think we need a decent sized forward with pace. Wells might be too short, Hernandez looks pretty ideal but doubt we would get him.
forward wise i think we are okay, it would be a left back (amavi wide left in midfield) and another two central midfieldersNot having a pop mate but how are we ok forward wise? Did you see Kozak yesterday? Ayew isn't an out and out striker, McCormack likes to drop deep, Gestede is good in the air but has the mobility of an oil tanker.
Morrison has been left out of the Lazio squad apparently for today's game. I think we need another forward and possibly another centre half although I think he'll play Richards there if he needs to unfortunately.
Ravel Morrison set to move to Aston Villa
Lazio midfielder Ravel Morrison is set to return to England with Aston Villa.
The talented but controversial former Manchester United starlet was left out of the Lazio squad for their season opener against Atalanta because he is close to a move to Villa Park, according to Corriere Dello Sport.
Morrison has only made eight appearances for Lazio since moving last year.
Will the 23-year-old's turbulent career settle down under Roberto Di Matteo?
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Ravel Morrison set to move to Aston Villa
Lazio midfielder Ravel Morrison is set to return to England with Aston Villa.
The talented but controversial former Manchester United starlet was left out of the Lazio squad for their season opener against Atalanta because he is close to a move to Villa Park, according to Corriere Dello Sport.
Morrison has only made eight appearances for Lazio since moving last year.
Will the 23-year-old's turbulent career settle down under Roberto Di Matteo?
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3751366/Transfer-news-LIVE-Arsenal-Chelsea-Manchester-City-Everton-news-plus-latest-Europe.html#ixzz4HxyopV1g
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If he's only made 8 appearances for them, it surely isn't inconceivable that he's just been left out of the squad. As much as there may be talent there, I'd rather not. We need characters, yes, just not that sort of character.
We need creativity. I'd take a chance on Morrison who has pace and trickery. Hope it's true.
By all accounts Morrison has enough talent that he would be playing at the very top level if it wasn't for his immaturity. Between living abroad and being 23 now, hopefully he's growing up a bit and if we can benefit from that sort of talent and a potentially new level of maturity, he could be a top signing. As TV and others have said, we've got a growing list of leaders now and we're getting rid of those who would be bad influences. So there's a lot of upside. If he hasn't grown up, he might not get given another chance.
Gascoigne was well established as a player but also in terms of who he already was an individual. What he somehow managed to do for most of his career was perform despite all of his issues, and he was very good at Lazio. Morrison has numerous mountains to climb before he gets to be compared to Gascoigne. And after he left Lazio he had a great 3 years at Rangers.
Gascoigne was well established as a player but also in terms of who he already was an individual. What he somehow managed to do for most of his career was perform despite all of his issues, and he was very good at Lazio. Morrison has numerous mountains to climb before he gets to be compared to Gascoigne. And after he left Lazio he had a great 3 years at Rangers.
Wasn't Doug quoted once at almost signing him??
Gascoigne was well established as a player but also in terms of who he already was an individual. What he somehow managed to do for most of his career was perform despite all of his issues, and he was very good at Lazio. Morrison has numerous mountains to climb before he gets to be compared to Gascoigne. And after he left Lazio he had a great 3 years at Rangers.
Wasn't Doug quoted once at almost signing him??
I imagine there is a very long list of players Doug nearly signed. Lineker and Juninho immediately come to mind. I'm sure there are loads more.
A good, sensible, friend of mine said a White Range Rover with the Reg R4VEL shot past him on the M42 about 15 minutes ago.
Could be something, could be nothing!!
Tony has said that Morrison is not on our target list
Ravel Morrison set to move to Aston Villa
Lazio midfielder Ravel Morrison is set to return to England with Aston Villa.
The talented but controversial former Manchester United starlet was left out of the Lazio squad for their season opener against Atalanta because he is close to a move to Villa Park, according to Corriere Dello Sport.
Morrison has only made eight appearances for Lazio since moving last year.
Will the 23-year-old's turbulent career settle down under Roberto Di Matteo?
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3751366/Transfer-news-LIVE-Arsenal-Chelsea-Manchester-City-Everton-news-plus-latest-Europe.html#ixzz4HxyopV1g
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If he's only made 8 appearances for them, it surely isn't inconceivable that he's just been left out of the squad. As much as there may be talent there, I'd rather not. We need characters, yes, just not that sort of character.
Apparently he's had a great pre-season and his omission has come as a bit of a shock. Can anyone tell me what his last misdemeanor was ?
Tony has said that Morrison is not on our target list
Ravel Morrison set to move to Aston Villa
Lazio midfielder Ravel Morrison is set to return to England with Aston Villa.
The talented but controversial former Manchester United starlet was left out of the Lazio squad for their season opener against Atalanta because he is close to a move to Villa Park, according to Corriere Dello Sport.
Morrison has only made eight appearances for Lazio since moving last year.
Will the 23-year-old's turbulent career settle down under Roberto Di Matteo?
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3751366/Transfer-news-LIVE-Arsenal-Chelsea-Manchester-City-Everton-news-plus-latest-Europe.html#ixzz4HxyopV1g
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If he's only made 8 appearances for them, it surely isn't inconceivable that he's just been left out of the squad. As much as there may be talent there, I'd rather not. We need characters, yes, just not that sort of character.
Apparently he's had a great pre-season and his omission has come as a bit of a shock. Can anyone tell me what his last misdemeanor was ?
Turning out for Blose.
Tone's latest tweet reads like we are buying a RB and world class No 9 so anything else would appear to be loans.
Mad Mario would be lotsafun.
Collymore is now suggesting we could be signing Hernandez
Collymore is now suggesting we could be signing Hernandez
Do you think he knows anything ??
Collymore is now suggesting we could be signing Hernandez
Do you think he knows anything ??
Stan's pretty connected in the game but who knows? Hull despite their start are a bit of a disaster behind the scenes so the owners might sell at the right price. The player has suggested he's join us. An interesting 10 days ahead.
Balotelli would be hilarious. He'd score the winner at San Giro in front of the Tilton and then take a shit in the penalty area.Genius. Thanks for this - the finest and most "wish it could come true" post in ages. FWIW I think Hernandez is the one and I'll be happy with that but a part of me will always yearn for this
Can't really see Bayer Leverkusen letting Hernandez go? Would be class signing - but would he drop to the Championship?
Its odd no one is talking about midfield.
just seen something on facebook about Villa being interested in Balotelli....
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The story was on two sites yesterday, Football Italia at 8 59 and Eurosport at 9 53. Both seem to come from a report in Italian on Corriere Della Sport and I don't read ITalian. Rumour has been around for a while, but this one says Morrison left out of pre season match at Bergamo and was seen at Rome's Fiumcino airport. But if he was heading to England then the English media should pick up this soon. Wait and see!
just seen something on facebook about Villa being interested in Balotelli....
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Could go one of two ways. He comes in an decides to break the Championship goalscoring record and becomes a hero. Or he comes in and takes his £X'000 per week wages and sulks. I don't see an in-between option.
just seen something on facebook about Villa being interested in Balotelli....
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It seems we're not interested in Morrison because of his off-field antics. I can't see us being interested in Balotelli in that case.
It seems we're not interested in Morrison because of his off-field antics. I can't see us being interested in Balotelli in that case.
So far as I know Balotelli has been a bit of a loose cannon but hasn't encountered legal problems. His misdemeanours are far less serious that Morrison's.
just seen something on facebook about Villa being interested in Balotelli....
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Dr Tony, went up north
In a Nice saloon
Broughtbus back Mad Mario
The crazy fukin loon
Or something like that ....
From France: Last minute change in Aston Villa transfer, deal still going through (Jordan Vertout)
http://sportwitness.co.uk/france-last-minute-change-aston-villa-transfer-deal-still-going/?
Maybe Leeds are about to become a feeder club to the Villa.....
From France: Last minute change in Aston Villa transfer, deal still going through (Jordan Vertout)
http://sportwitness.co.uk/france-last-minute-change-aston-villa-transfer-deal-still-going/?
What an awful site - eyes bleeding from the pop up adverts
I agree - Balls to Veretout wanting to get away as far as possible
I tell you what Mr Sulky - go and rip some trees up and maybe just maybe we will let you grace our shirt again - Billy big bollocks (with no bollocks actually)
Really disappointed in this twat
From France: Last minute change in Aston Villa transfer, deal still going through (Jordan Vertout)
http://sportwitness.co.uk/france-last-minute-change-aston-villa-transfer-deal-still-going/?
What an awful site - eyes bleeding from the pop up adverts
I agree - Balls to Veretout wanting to get away as far as possible
I tell you what Mr Sulky - go and rip some trees up and maybe just maybe we will let you grace our shirt again - Billy big bollocks (with no bollocks actually)
Really disappointed in this twat
Except the only suggestion that he wants to 'get as far away as possible' is entirely from the point of view of the writer who seems to have written the story based on tweets. I'm not saying he didn't say he'd rather play in Ligue 1 than the championship but this could just as easily be our idea as it is his, or could be something tha we agree is better for his development.
If we go on the 'facts' RDM and Xia have made it clear they don't want people with a bad attitude and in this case they've altered the contract so he comes back. So either we want to keep him and he is happy with that or, as eamonn says, we think his value will be higher next summer.
I don't like the assumption that anyone who we let go has kicked up a stink and forced a move when we have no idea if that is true. Yes some papers say it but given how much bullshit gets published in the sports press I'm not sure there's any back up to those stories other than the writer thinking it's a fair guess.
From twitter...
VillaRelated @VillaRelated 2h2 hours ago
Aston Villa have offered €10.5m for Wolfsburg striker Bas Dost. [Goal] #AVFC
From twitter...
VillaRelated @VillaRelated 2h2 hours ago
Aston Villa have offered €10.5m for Wolfsburg striker Bas Dost. [Goal] #AVFC
From twitter...
VillaRelated @VillaRelated 2h2 hours ago
Aston Villa have offered €10.5m for Wolfsburg striker Bas Dost. [Goal] #AVFC
I thought he was going to Newcastle?
From France: Last minute change in Aston Villa transfer, deal still going through (Jordan Vertout)
http://sportwitness.co.uk/france-last-minute-change-aston-villa-transfer-deal-still-going/?
What an awful site - eyes bleeding from the pop up adverts
I agree - Balls to Veretout wanting to get away as far as possible
I tell you what Mr Sulky - go and rip some trees up and maybe just maybe we will let you grace our shirt again - Billy big bollocks (with no bollocks actually)
Really disappointed in this twat
Except the only suggestion that he wants to 'get as far away as possible' is entirely from the point of view of the writer who seems to have written the story based on tweets. I'm not saying he didn't say he'd rather play in Ligue 1 than the championship but this could just as easily be our idea as it is his, or could be something tha we agree is better for his development.
If we go on the 'facts' RDM and Xia have made it clear they don't want people with a bad attitude and in this case they've altered the contract so he comes back. So either we want to keep him and he is happy with that or, as eamonn says, we think his value will be higher next summer.
I don't like the assumption that anyone who we let go has kicked up a stink and forced a move when we have no idea if that is true. Yes some papers say it but given how much bullshit gets published in the sports press I'm not sure there's any back up to those stories other than the writer thinking it's a fair guess.
He's ready to go...
http://sport24.lefigaro.fr/football/transferts/fil-info/veretout-est-a-saint-etienne-821832 (http://sport24.lefigaro.fr/football/transferts/fil-info/veretout-est-a-saint-etienne-821832)
Given the lack of impact he made last season, it will be quite annoying (and will also say something about him) if he now does well there.
Dost is very much in the Gestede/Kozak mould (but obviously a better version) and wouldn't really solve our lack of pace and mobility up front.Ayew, RHM, Green ....
I've long thought the team needs more Bas Dosts.
From France: Last minute change in Aston Villa transfer, deal still going through (Jordan Vertout)
http://sportwitness.co.uk/france-last-minute-change-aston-villa-transfer-deal-still-going/?
What an awful site - eyes bleeding from the pop up adverts
I agree - Balls to Veretout wanting to get away as far as possible
I tell you what Mr Sulky - go and rip some trees up and maybe just maybe we will let you grace our shirt again - Billy big bollocks (with no bollocks actually)
Really disappointed in this twat
Except the only suggestion that he wants to 'get as far away as possible' is entirely from the point of view of the writer who seems to have written the story based on tweets. I'm not saying he didn't say he'd rather play in Ligue 1 than the championship but this could just as easily be our idea as it is his, or could be something tha we agree is better for his development.
If we go on the 'facts' RDM and Xia have made it clear they don't want people with a bad attitude and in this case they've altered the contract so he comes back. So either we want to keep him and he is happy with that or, as eamonn says, we think his value will be higher next summer.
I don't like the assumption that anyone who we let go has kicked up a stink and forced a move when we have no idea if that is true. Yes some papers say it but given how much bullshit gets published in the sports press I'm not sure there's any back up to those stories other than the writer thinking it's a fair guess.
Dost is very much in the Gestede/Kozak mould (but obviously a better version) and wouldn't really solve our lack of pace and mobility up front.Ayew, RHM, Green ....
If Dost (about whom I know nothing) reads the game well an is instinctive he'll get away with not having pace.
That response made me laugh.
I've also heard Robin Van Persie is linked to Villa.
That can't be real. He's still way too good for us.
That response made me laugh.
I've also heard Robin Van Persie is linked to Villa.
That can't be real. He's still way too good for us.
that link is from the meaning evil so will be bollocks, they have just pulled some names out of a hat
That response made me laugh.
I've also heard Robin Van Persie is linked to Villa.
That can't be real. He's still way too good for us.
that link is from the meaning evil so will be bollocks, they have just pulled some names out of a hat
The Mail are trying to take the piss out of us.
Didn't want to start a new thread so I'll ask here.
Is there a limit to the number of players in the 1st team squad like the premier league has?
next it will be mario kempes and heskey lined up for shock return
From twitter...
VillaRelated @VillaRelated 2h2 hours ago
Aston Villa have offered €10.5m for Wolfsburg striker Bas Dost. [Goal] #AVFC
Dr X just shot down the Bas Dost stories on Twitter - 'We need pace not height. Is he a national team player?'
Dr X just shot down the Bas Dost stories on Twitter - 'We need pace not height. Is he a national team player?'
So the guy we are signing is an international and is quick. Thinking caps on!!
Dr X just shot down the Bas Dost stories on Twitter - 'We need pace not height. Is he a national team player?'
So the guy we are signing is an international and is quick. Thinking caps on!!
Dr X just shot down the Bas Dost stories on Twitter - 'We need pace not height. Is he a national team player?'
So the guy we are signing is an international and is quick. Thinking caps on!!
Usain Bolt.
London press were speculating Drogba in the early editions of Standard this evening.He shot that one down earlier too. I love him!!
From France: Last minute change in Aston Villa transfer, deal still going through (Jordan Vertout)
http://sportwitness.co.uk/france-last-minute-change-aston-villa-transfer-deal-still-going/?
What an awful site - eyes bleeding from the pop up adverts
I agree - Balls to Veretout wanting to get away as far as possible
I tell you what Mr Sulky - go and rip some trees up and maybe just maybe we will let you grace our shirt again - Billy big bollocks (with no bollocks actually)
Really disappointed in this twat
Off all the strikers linked Hernandez seems to be the only that fits the bill. Reckon it'll either be him or someone not yet reported.
Dr Tony has basically ended the Dost rumour on Twitter saying we need pace not height :-)I wonder how confident he is?
If Kodjia is world class then so is Rudy.
Does anybody seriously think Richards' ego will ever let him go to Hull?
He's prefer not to play at all, which is what I expect to happen this season.
Off all the strikers linked Hernandez seems to be the only that fits the bill. Reckon it'll either be him or someone not yet reported.
We lack pace all over the pitch and is one of our major problems.
I've got a hunch this world class number 9 will be Robin van Persie. In the twilight of his career and apparently wants out of Turkey.
De Laet in.
I've got a hunch this world class number 9 will be Robin van Persie. In the twilight of his career and apparently wants out of Turkey.
We need someone who can run like one not look like one.
De Laet confirmedAccording to official Leicester site:..............Godzvilla!
I think a quick striker and our incoming dealings are done for the summer.Still lack option on the bench
Gollini
De Laet Elphick Chester Amavi
Tshibola Jedinak
Ayew McCormack Grealish
Gestede / New Signing
Not bad at all and better then I was expecting.
I think a quick striker and our incoming dealings are done for the summer.Still lack option on the bench
Gollini
De Laet Elphick Chester Amavi
Tshibola Jedinak
Ayew McCormack Grealish
Gestede / New Signing
Not bad at all and better then I was expecting.
Federico Viviani the latest name
Im sure these websites make it up
Pat Murphy: Hearing that Diawara,Wells,Bamford & Hernandez are all non-starters for @AVFCOfficial for various reasons. The search continues.Meter ticks!
Only time will tell with how these new players perform, but surely this has to be one of our most productive transfer windows ever.
Only time will tell with how these new players perform, but surely this has to be one of our most productive transfer windows ever.
I think the same was said at the end of last summer!!!
Only time will tell with how these new players perform, but surely this has to be one of our most productive transfer windows ever.
I think the same was said at the end of last summer!!!
at least ive heard of these players and most the clubs fans are pretty gutted some of them left.
Only time will tell with how these new players perform, but surely this has to be one of our most productive transfer windows ever.
I think the same was said at the end of last summer!!!
at least ive heard of these players and most the clubs fans are pretty gutted some of them left.
I agree and I think most of them should be pretty decent at this level, and hopefully we can have a clean sweep now and get rid of the wasters
I would say as far as Bamford is concerned, beggars can't really be choosers. Better players than him have done nothing in the Prem. He's a decent Championship level striker, nothing more.
Watch us sign him now.
He didn't do well at Palace and this doesn't come across well. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3378974/Patrick-Bamford-apologises-Crystal-Palace-cutting-short-loan-spell-Selhurst-Park-describing-terrible.html Ah wellI would say as far as Bamford is concerned, beggars can't really be choosers. Better players than him have done nothing in the Prem. He's a decent Championship level striker, nothing more.
Watch us sign him now.
He's coming across as a bit of a egotistical knob in all this (if rumours are true)
He has done nothing at Prem level so his arrogance about who to join is a bit rich imo
I would say as far as Bamford is concerned, beggars can't really be choosers. Better players than him have done nothing in the Prem. He's a decent Championship level striker, nothing more.
Watch us sign him now.
He's coming across as a bit of a egotistical knob in all this (if rumours are true)
He has done nothing at Prem level so his arrogance about who to join is a bit rich imo
I would say as far as Bamford is concerned, beggars can't really be choosers. Better players than him have done nothing in the Prem. He's a decent Championship level striker, nothing more.
Watch us sign him now.
He's coming across as a bit of a egotistical knob in all this (if rumours are true)
He has done nothing at Prem level so his arrogance about who to join is a bit rich imo
Or - he's had three successful spells in the championship and feels he's been there and done that, so wants to test himself at a higher level to further his career. Not necessarily a big head thing
He didn't do well at Palace and this doesn't come across well. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3378974/Patrick-Bamford-apologises-Crystal-Palace-cutting-short-loan-spell-Selhurst-Park-describing-terrible.html Ah wellI would say as far as Bamford is concerned, beggars can't really be choosers. Better players than him have done nothing in the Prem. He's a decent Championship level striker, nothing more.
Watch us sign him now.
He's coming across as a bit of a egotistical knob in all this (if rumours are true)
He has done nothing at Prem level so his arrogance about who to join is a bit rich imo
What make you think hull would want to replace Hernandez with one of our kids who can get in our championship side ?
What make you think hull would want to replace Hernandez with one of our kids who can get in our championship side ?
They need replacements, plural, from what I have read. If they got (for example) RHM on loan for a season it would take the pressure off them and let them concentrate on one striker instead of two.
Also Richards wouldn't get in our championship side and that's not putting them off him
Just checked back to where I heard it, Birmingham Mail saying it's the Daily Mail with the story. Agent Dave mentioned it on twitter. Probably nothing in it but you never know.
Edit, found it. It's one line at the bottom of a story about Phil Jones on the daily mail website
Apparently Arsenal are after Jonny Evans but the bitters want £25-30m for him. Jonny sodding Evans!
Also Hernandez has been left out of Hull's 'squad' tonightBamford not in chelski squad either
Also Hernandez has been left out of Hull's 'squad' tonightBamford not in chelski squad either
Hardly a surprise, never kicked a ball for them.Also Hernandez has been left out of Hull's 'squad' tonightBamford not in chelski squad either
How about our world class forward being Mario Ballotelli? Far fetched I know but....
That on 5Live?
We're getting stick from the press too. Charlie Wyett of The Sun and Mick Dennis of...somewhere else are gleefully rubbing their hands together at the prospect of Villa splurging everything they have on the likes of Ross McCormack and falling foul of FFP. So, to recap, if we don't spend, we show no ambition and the takeover is worthless. If we do spend, we're reckless and two steps from the workhouse door.I think we'd have to get lumbered down here for 2-3 years before we fell foul of the FFP. McGrath willing we'll be back in the Premiership next season and our wage bill will be manageable. Getting rid of Gabby, Richards and Lescott alone would probably cover the wages of our 7 signings so far. I don't think we'll be paying silly money by any stretch.
Mick Dennis the Norwich fan? No agenda there
Mick Dennis the Norwich fan? No agenda there
If they'd signed McCormack he'd have been a bargain, statement of intent, etc, etc.
Apparently Arsenal are after Jonny Evans but the bitters want £25-30m for him. Jonny sodding Evans!
Apparently Arsenal are after Jonny Evans but the bitters want £25-30m for him. Jonny sodding Evans!
Isn't that just the figure they put on all their playets?
If it was Playet at West Ham I could understand that kind of figure.
Even their fans think they should just sell Berahino and buy literally any pacey forward that actually wants to be there. 25m for Evans is the biggest piss take ever. He is barely worth the 6 they paid. They can see Wenger coming, and know he is a desperate fool in his old age.
The Richards to hull on loan story seems to be gathering momentum.
Da laet far more preferable to yedlin. He's grown up uk rather than us game. Has been involved with championship winning team and a better defender than the American. The difference between the 2 one is a footballer and the other an athlete. Happy with the signing and bargain price
The Richards to hull on loan story seems to be gathering momentum. As Butler used to say 'get yer prayer mats out!'
Da laet far more preferable to yedlin. He's grown up uk rather than us game. Has been involved with championship winning team and a better defender than the American. The difference between the 2 one is a footballer and the other an athlete. Happy with the signing and bargain price
Dr Tony sailed to Hull
In a supertanker
Did a deal with suckers there
And binned our biggest wanker.
Interesting reading a couple of forums from some of the other supposed top championship sides and seeing the complaints about how much money Newcastle and ourselves are spending.
It's very reminiscent to the Man City and Chelsea splurging complaints we had ourselves.
Interesting reading a couple of forums from some of the other supposed top championship sides and seeing the complaints about how much money Newcastle and ourselves are spending.
It's very reminiscent to the Man City and Chelsea splurging complaints we had ourselves.
I must admit, I'm surprised how little money is spent in the championship compared to the PL. When they're regularly spending £25m+ on players you'd think that the Championship would be sustaining a fair number of £10m players. Currently the gap/leap does not make sense as the difference in quality cannot be that big between the Championship and PL.
Sorry always had problems with the vital components of these things.
Sorry always had problems with the vital components of these things.
There was a girl from Nantucket ..............
who had a rather large bucket
The strikers that have been linked are not who we are after as our main target!
The strikers that have been linked are not who we are after as our main target!
Is that speculation, ITK or from one of Dr Tony's a tweet?
I'll have a PM if there's one going please. 😊
I'll have a PM if there's one going please. 😊
and me... love a bit of gossip!!
I'll have a PM if there's one going please. 😊
and me... love a bit of gossip!!
Me too please.
I'll have a PM if there's one going please. 😊
and me... love a bit of gossip!!
Me too please.
I'll grab me one of those too
UTV
The Doc
The strikers that have been linked are not who we are after as our main target!
Is that speculation, ITK or from one of Dr Tony's a tweet?
Semi ITK. Can't say who for obvious reasons.Premier league striker though
The strikers that have been linked are not who we are after as our main target!
I'll wait it out- I love being NITK
Is that speculation, ITK or from one of Dr Tony's a tweet?
Semi ITK. Can't say who for obvious reasons.Premier league striker though
PM please :)
Can't post the name lads. A few of you know, will leave at that for now (sorry)
Should find out very soon who it if it's going ahead. Seems to be dependant on the PL club getting a new striker (or two) in first.
Can't post the name lads. A few of you know, will leave at that for now (sorry)
Should find out very soon who it if it's going ahead. Seems to be dependant on the PL club getting a new striker (or two) in first.
Without any ITK I'm going with Jason Rhodes.
Without any ITK I'm going with Jason Rhodes.
I hope it's not Kone, he's pretty old. I've never heard of Jason Rhodes ;D
I reckon it's Aguero.
I reckon it's Aguero.
What's the lad from Goal! up to these days? He looked capable of banging them in at Newcastle.
The name has been mentioned by one of you
Just had word from my source, who declined to comment. He didn't say he's fucked if he doesn't know who it is, but I can't not reveal who he thinks it isn't for obvious reasons. Sorry.haha very good!
Told you. It's Agureo.
The name has been mentioned by one of youDavid Cameron?
Told you. It's Agureo.
That would be outrageous !
Veretout has been officially unveiled by Saint-Etienne. Can't say it feels like a great loss.
Veretout has been officially unveiled by Saint-Etienne. Can't say it feels like a great loss.
What position does he play?
How many pacy, international, Premier League strikers are there that would be available and where the club needs to bring a couple in first? I'm going to say Hernandez.
NodThe name has been mentioned by one of you
Nod if he's on my researched list
I wouldn't mind ryan mason and loic remy both deemed surplus to requirements and both touching class and would enhance general overall quality of squad. I sounded out jay Rodriquez before but that was dismissed by some though he is avalible on loan as wba after him .
Mason. Remy. Rodriquez would be a nice quartet of signings. Still a week to go so anything possible.
Veretout has been officially unveiled by Saint-Etienne. Can't say it feels like a great loss.Shame this one never worked out. Thought he could have been a strong player for us
NodThe name has been mentioned by one of you
Nod if he's on my researched list
Veretout has been officially unveiled by Saint-Etienne. Can't say it feels like a great loss.
What position does he play?
Lead singer.
Veretout has been officially unveiled by Saint-Etienne. Can't say it feels like a great loss.
What position does he play?
Lead singer.
Well, Sarah Cracknell is nearly 50, so she's probably lost a yard of pace.
NodThe name has been mentioned by one of you
Nod if he's on my researched list
Heard that we're being linked with Cascarino who looks okay I guess but I'm still praying its Sheringham.
Maybe it is Borini?
Interesting reading a couple of forums from some of the other supposed top championship sides and seeing the complaints about how much money Newcastle and ourselves are spending.
It's very reminiscent to the Man City and Chelsea splurging complaints we had ourselves.
I reckon it's Peter Davenport.
Presume it's this one then?Press catching on now it seems also
Aston Villa are interested in West Ham striker Enner Valencia. [Daily Mail] #AVFC
The name I got told is now being discussed on the club in questions message bored in their transfer spec. Therefore it seems to be breaking a little more now.
The name I got told is now being discussed on the club in questions message bored in their transfer spec. Therefore it seems to be breaking a little more now.
I have seen the Youtube clips and thinkIt was proper left field when I heard also. Kind of fits in with Dr's tweets aBout international etc etc
Meh
Hope this is not Tony's rabbit out of a hat
I think he would do pretty well in the championship and played upfront instead of wide fwiw
Agree it's very strange. Don't know where this £12m is coming from although I have no idea about the fee.I think he would do pretty well in the championship and played upfront instead of wide fwiw
He has problems staying on his feet in the Premiership, how you expect him to survive in the Championship I have no idea. At £2m he may be worth a risk but £12m is just taking the piss. Seems a very strange signing if it happens.
Telegraph reporting that our bid for him has been turned downSaw that and the article looks like it's been more or less copy and pasted from the Readwestham site. Wouldn't believe a player who has scored only 4 goals in each season for West Ham would be anywhere near our radar.
Well it's very weird that I was told about this and then news is coming out today about it now. I'm afraid there has to be some substance behind this one. Either that or me/press are being fed a red herring to distract from someone elseTelegraph reporting that our bid for him has been turned downSaw that and the article looks like it's been more or less copy and pasted from the Readwestham site. Wouldn't believe a player who has scored only 4 goals in each season for West Ham would be anywhere near our radar.
Pretty much every RDM signing has been right on the money, buying Valencia is would very underwhelming, go and get Hernandez.
Rashford would be tremendous. Not getting a game under Jose and would score plenty in the ChampionshipCareful mate. I mentioned this as an option a while back and got called all sorts on here. But now I have an ally I don't feel so daft!
Telegraph reporting that our bid for him has been turned down
Valencia has a terrible goals to games ratio, he's absolute garbage and is a downgrade.
That's just shitty journalism from a shitty site who have put him being unhappy at being substituted on Sunday together with us after a forward, and that's all.
He's not garbage. The reaction is way over the top. I agree the 'world class' reference is over the top, if it's referring to him, but he's a pacy forward and could do a good job.No he is garbage, I've watched a few games with my mate who's a hammer, he think's the same and he''s seen every game he's played.
He was booed by his own fans. Walked off as slow as he could at 0-0, great attitude.Valencia has a terrible goals to games ratio, he's absolute garbage and is a downgrade.
That's just shitty journalism from a shitty site who have put him being unhappy at being substituted on Sunday together with us after a forward, and that's all.
From what I've read he was booed off the pitch at the weekend. West Ham fans are delighted at thought of seeing the back of him.
He's not garbage. The reaction is way over the top. I agree the 'world class' reference is over the top, if it's referring to him, but he's a pacy forward and could do a good job.No he is garbage, I've watched a few games with my mate who's a hammer, he think's the same and he''s seen every game he's played.
Diafra Sakho is the better one but he's already injured.
He was booed by his own fans. Walked off as slow as he could at 0-0, great attitude.Valencia has a terrible goals to games ratio, he's absolute garbage and is a downgrade.
That's just shitty journalism from a shitty site who have put him being unhappy at being substituted on Sunday together with us after a forward, and that's all.
From what I've read he was booed off the pitch at the weekend. West Ham fans are delighted at thought of seeing the back of him.
If he signs up we 'll do the poll will Enner Valencia 20 or more goals in the league !
If he signs up we 'll do the poll will Enner Valencia 20 or more goals in the league !
We won't.
I completely disagree, I have seen enough and heard enough from West Hams fans to know he's terrible and if you're after a goalscorer then you don't look at Valencia. His international record is deceiving when your regular opposition is Haiti and Honduras, he doesn't score goals at a high enough level, a no from me. If you're buying junk like that then I feel sorry for the likes of RHM.He's not garbage. The reaction is way over the top. I agree the 'world class' reference is over the top, if it's referring to him, but he's a pacy forward and could do a good job.No he is garbage, I've watched a few games with my mate who's a hammer, he think's the same and he''s seen every game he's played.
Diafra Sakho is the better one but he's already injured.
Just because he hasn't settled at West Ham, where he's had a couple of nasty injuries, doesn't mean he's garbage. Lots of players struggle at a club and move on and do well. He has good attributes and his international record is great.
There's me thinking I was finally being accepted like the lead character from the currently showing in cinemas near you D.Brent. And im not even middle aged. Oh well . Like Brent said at least I had a go at being a rock star.Oh let him have his poll Dave.
Maybe one day you guys will get me. I was only excited about a poll and if others wanted to see who thought Valencia was to be a success or not (deemed on 20 goals plus)
I give up.
He's not garbage. The reaction is way over the top. I agree the 'world class' reference is over the top, if it's referring to him, but he's a pacy forward and could do a good job.No he is garbage, I've watched a few games with my mate who's a hammer, he think's the same and he''s seen every game he's played.
Diafra Sakho is the better one but he's already injured.
Just because he hasn't settled at West Ham, where he's had a couple of nasty injuries, doesn't mean he's garbage. Lots of players struggle at a club and move on and do well. He has good attributes and his international record is great.
Valencia? He's no good.
There's me thinking I was finally being accepted like the lead character from the currently showing in cinemas near you D.Brent. And im not even middle aged. Oh well . Like Brent said at least I had a go at being a rock star.
Maybe one day you guys will get me. I was only excited about a poll and if others wanted to see who thought Valencia was to be a success or not (deemed on 20 goals plus)
I give up.
I hope the Valencia rumours have no substance...a striker gives everyone hope, particularly when the striker is hailed as "world class", so this would be a very uninspiring signing if true and would probably go down as Dr Tonys first mistake...in fact, I'd rather he didn't buy a striker if Valencia is the only option. I see this next signing as a Peter Withe kind of moment...the missing piece of the jigsaw to get us promoted...but if Valencia is that piece, then some dumb fucker mixed up the jigsaw puzzles for a laugh.The world class comment was a little silly.
I take it Drogba has been thrown into the mix?He poo pooed it himself.
I like valencia - he could play right back too but If they want to give us someone Id take Rashford or that Linguard
I like valencia - he could play right back too but If they want to give us someone Id take Rashford or that Linguard
Valencia. Meh.
I like valencia - he could play right back too but If they want to give us someone Id take Rashford or that Linguard
I quite like the look of that ibrahimovich guy. We should take a punt on him too
Valencia. Meh.
Had a holiday there last week, pretty much sums up how I felt about the place and the footballer.
Valencia. Meh.
Had a holiday there last week, pretty much sums up how I felt about the place and the footballer.
What was wrong with it?
Valencia. Meh.
Had a holiday there last week, pretty much sums up how I felt about the place and the footballer.
What was wrong with it?
I have similar feelings about Coventry
Spoiled by living in Harrogate .... ;D ;DValencia. Meh.
Had a holiday there last week, pretty much sums up how I felt about the place and the footballer.
What was wrong with it?
The old part of the city was pleasant enough and the oceanographic was great but the rest of the place did nothing for me, the amount of dog shit you had to dodge was ridiculous, the kids loved the beach but the area around there was full of boarded up buildings and very depressing. Can't say I have very fond memories of the place and won't be returning.
Rumours doing the rounds that Celtic have put in a £3m bid for Valencia and he's interested. Hope it's true.
Spoiled by living in Harrogate .... ;D ;DValencia. Meh.
Had a holiday there last week, pretty much sums up how I felt about the place and the footballer.
What was wrong with it?
The old part of the city was pleasant enough and the oceanographic was great but the rest of the place did nothing for me, the amount of dog shit you had to dodge was ridiculous, the kids loved the beach but the area around there was full of boarded up buildings and very depressing. Can't say I have very fond memories of the place and won't be returning.
He'd rather be sat in Betty's with his Geordie mates.
Tony not denying these Valencia rumours, so looking true. Just done a bit of due diligence and pretty clear his Spam career hasn't exactly been one to write home about accepting he has had injuries, but they did fork out £12m a couple of years ago on the Mexican league's golden boot winner so could be worth a gamble but I would want more than a gamble for £12m
Tony not denying these Valencia rumours, so looking true.
Tony not denying these Valencia rumours, so looking true.
It's true, trust me, loads of dog crap.
Tony gone MIA for many hours... all going tits up.
We are battling Coventry for the signature of Kevin Drinkell.
Quite like the look of this Viviani we are being linked with. Good pass on him and think we still need another centre mid. I get the feeling this summer has all been about the spine, and wingers etc will come later.If you are going to google Viviani, be careful with the spelling or your girlfriend/ wife might get very upset!
Not sure I can see us getting Hernandez. Its uncertain what kind of season we are going to have and Hull's promising start might convince him that it is worth sticking around to help try and keep them up. Think it would be a good buy as well as being a good finisher he would add some much needed pace through the middle. But I do think we need to focus more on adding to the midfield at this point. We need more of a goal threat from that area and more creativity too.
Agreed. Midfield is still our weakness. It's the battleground in English football and we're still not well equipped for a long, tough season.
Rumours of 15m for Velencia which would be way over the top. Would actually prefer Sakho or to spend that on 3 unknowns from Europe with pace and a bit of skill. And I quite like him as a player.
What happened to that Haller we were linked with last January , he looked ideal.
Quite like the look of this Viviani we are being linked with. Good pass on him and think we still need another centre mid. I get the feeling this summer has all been about the spine, and wingers etc will come later.
Rumours of 15m for Velencia which would be way over the top. Would actually prefer Sakho or to spend that on 3 unknowns from Europe with pace and a bit of skill. And I quite like him as a player.
What happened to that Haller we were linked with last January , he looked ideal.
£15m would be absolutely ridiculous, he's barely worth a 1/3rd of that.
Should stitch up the midfield nicely.
Brian's always embroidering stuff with fancy words!Should stitch up the midfield nicely.
Sorry, but's that's sew unfunny.
Should stitch up the midfield nicely.
What happened to that Haller we were linked with last January , he looked ideal.
Val Haller? That was just a myth;D
Quite like the look of this Viviani we are being linked with. Good pass on him and think we still need another centre mid. I get the feeling this summer has all been about the spine, and wingers etc will come later.
I'd ask the same question with Rhodes as I would with McCormack - with their scoring record why has no Premiership club ever taken them? Does Rhodes contribute to team play?
I
He's definitely got the pace.Quite like the look of this Viviani we are being linked with. Good pass on him and think we still need another centre mid. I get the feeling this summer has all been about the spine, and wingers etc will come later.
Would Team Sky let him go though? Olympic Gold Medalist as well.
In other news... Hutton linked with Wigan, Richards linked with Trabsponzer and Sunderland, Lescott linked with AEK Athens.
I don't dislike Hutton and think he is ok as a back up option, but would take the cash if offered. Be nice if the others went.
Rhodes, a no for me. See previous post.
I have been relatively pleased with the direction we are heading and am getting more optimistic about our chances of promotion, but I have one nagging concern. It was something I mentioned a couple of months ago and not much of our business has done much to despell it. Many of our signings are good, solid pros with experience of promotion. However, these same players have shown they are not quite upto standard once in the PL. Elphick, De Laet, Chester, etc have all failed to cement a place in the PL once there for differing reasons. My worry is we get promoted then we will need another rebuild to survive as our squad will be full of players who are too good for the Championship but not quite good enough for the PL.
I read that Rhodes is on £49k per week!
I read that Rhodes is on £49k per week!
Fuck a duck!
I read that Rhodes is on £49k per week!
Fuck a duck!
Bit of plum sauce and I might.
I have been relatively pleased with the direction we are heading and am getting more optimistic about our chances of promotion, but I have one nagging concern. It was something I mentioned a couple of months ago and not much of our business has done much to despell it. Many of our signings are good, solid pros with experience of promotion. However, these same players have shown they are not quite upto standard once in the PL. Elphick, De Laet, Chester, etc have all failed to cement a place in the PL once there for differing reasons. My worry is we get promoted then we will need another rebuild to survive as our squad will be full of players who are too good for the Championship but not quite good enough for the PL.
I read that Rhodes is on £49k per week!
Fuck a duck!
Linked with Jordan Rhodes from Middlesbro today, would be a very good signing for us if it happened (don't think it will).
Played really well with Gestede, and presumably has played with RM for Scotland. Great player at Championship level.
I have been relatively pleased with the direction we are heading and am getting more optimistic about our chances of promotion, but I have one nagging concern. It was something I mentioned a couple of months ago and not much of our business has done much to despell it. Many of our signings are good, solid pros with experience of promotion. However, these same players have shown they are not quite upto standard once in the PL. Elphick, De Laet, Chester, etc have all failed to cement a place in the PL once there for differing reasons. My worry is we get promoted then we will need another rebuild to survive as our squad will be full of players who are too good for the Championship but not quite good enough for the PL.
I wouldnt worry too much about this at the moment, there are so many contributing factors to each of those you have mentioned. The critical thing is that if we make it back up, we will be shopping in a completely different market with a different budget - lets not look at the finishing line with three fences to jump if you like. I dont think any of those mentioned have looked out of place in the premiership, if we have a squad with the right mentality and application and add to it with a couple of stand out star players, cementing a premiership base to build from shouldnt be an issue.
De Laet played almost every game for Leicester before his loan move, chester was a regular for Hull before WBA but didnt have enough height for Pulis (5"9) and Elphick was bournemouths star man before his injury.
Im confident that if we do a job this year, the base of this squad will be good enough to not see a repeat of last years horor show
Ultimately, we are a championship team and whilst it wont affect many positions, getting a top drawer CF who will score shed loads in the prem to drop down a league is unrealistic. Thats why people like McCormack, Gestede, poss even someone like Rhodes are perfect for us as they can hammer this league and provide support if we make it back up. Unless we can unearth a Gem like Andre Gray we are doing the right thing I think.
I would expect the lions share of any promotion-resulting war chest to be spent on the attacking line
I think it is a mixed bag though Paul. Valencia, for example could fly played down the middle in a different system to West Ham. I think there will be a couple more in yet. Some players will do fine in the prem. I think this side would be much more competitive alreadyUltimately, we are a championship team and whilst it wont affect many positions, getting a top drawer CF who will score shed loads in the prem to drop down a league is unrealistic. Thats why people like McCormack, Gestede, poss even someone like Rhodes are perfect for us as they can hammer this league and provide support if we make it back up. Unless we can unearth a Gem like Andre Gray we are doing the right thing I think.
I would expect the lions share of any promotion-resulting war chest to be spent on the attacking line
I'd rather we try to find that gem than just go for someone we know can't do it. Tshibola is a great example of the sort of signing I like, looks good enough for this league now but has the potential to get much better. Gollini falls into the same category as would Diawara and Viviani. A few more stable signings are fine but we already have RM and Gestede who have done it in te championship and give us that stability, now I want someone who can be much more than that but might not be quite so consistent to begin with.
I can't help thinking we are still looking at Jonathan Kodjia, maybe Bristol wont let him go until after they've played us.
I think it is a mixed bag though Paul. Valencia, for example could fly played down the middle in a different system to West Ham. I think there will be a couple more in yet. Some players will do fine in the prem. I think this side would be much more competitive alreadyUltimately, we are a championship team and whilst it wont affect many positions, getting a top drawer CF who will score shed loads in the prem to drop down a league is unrealistic. Thats why people like McCormack, Gestede, poss even someone like Rhodes are perfect for us as they can hammer this league and provide support if we make it back up. Unless we can unearth a Gem like Andre Gray we are doing the right thing I think.
I would expect the lions share of any promotion-resulting war chest to be spent on the attacking line
I'd rather we try to find that gem than just go for someone we know can't do it. Tshibola is a great example of the sort of signing I like, looks good enough for this league now but has the potential to get much better. Gollini falls into the same category as would Diawara and Viviani. A few more stable signings are fine but we already have RM and Gestede who have done it in te championship and give us that stability, now I want someone who can be much more than that but might not be quite so consistent to begin with.
I hope so because he's awful.
I hope so because he's awful.
But you like him?
*There's a topical joke for the youngsters.
Val Haller? That was just a myth
I hope so because he's awful.
But you like him?
*There's a topical joke for the youngsters.
Quotation from Mao:We must have faith in the masses! Truly fans' viewpoints are even better than scouting reports!
Tony was at the West Ham game tonight, posted a photo of his view on Twitter earlier. Guest of the Porn Dwarf you would presume sorting Valencia deal out?
EDIT: Saying that, as I typed the above Tony the Tweeter just put this:QuoteQuotation from Mao:We must have faith in the masses! Truly fans' viewpoints are even better than scouting reports!
So that would say to me he's listened to the fans views on Valencia (mostly negative) and went to see him for himself and has concurred that he's shite?
The Villa View also asked him this: Does this mean you've decided NOT to sign Valencia? and he liked that Tweet so fair to say he won't be coming.
Just getting my head around this, after all the years of shit under Lerner, but we have actually got an owner who listens to the fans!!
Didn't Randy balk at employing Schteve McClaren because of negative fan feedback?
Dr Tone the social media interaction King. Imagine him setting up polls.And he'll be doing follow fridays and instagraming pictures of his tea along with duckface selfies
Didn't Randy balk at employing Schteve McClaren because of negative fan feedback?
No, that was a bit of a myth.
Didn't Randy balk at employing Schteve McClaren because of negative fan feedback?
No, that was a bit of a myth.
Either way, I don't think the owner should be making football decisions. Though he might be using this direct communication as a bargaining ploy. Overinflated price for Valencia given by Gold...negative comments on Twitter from Dr X implying we ace no longer interested...more realistic price from Gold?
If it is part of negotiations, all well and good. If the owner is dictating transfer policy, then it's a bad sign.
Didn't Randy balk at employing Schteve McClaren because of negative fan feedback?
No, that was a bit of a myth.
Either way, I don't think the owner should be making football decisions. Though he might be using this direct communication as a bargaining ploy. Overinflated price for Valencia given by Gold...negative comments on Twitter from Dr X implying we ace no longer interested...more realistic price from Gold?
If it is part of negotiations, all well and good. If the owner is dictating transfer policy, then it's a bad sign.
Absolutely. If our transfers are going to be decided on the basis of some Twits sending messages to the owner and him watching the player once then that's pretty terrifying.
Didn't Randy balk at employing Schteve McClaren because of negative fan feedback?
No, that was a bit of a myth.
Our owner actually quoted Mao!
Latest tweet is 'another rumour not true'. Trouble is the tweet he's answering has been deleted. Did anybody see what it was?
Our owner actually quoted Mao!
Latest tweet is 'another rumour not true'. Trouble is the tweet he's answering has been deleted. Did anybody see what it was?
That we had tried to loan a Man U youth keeper but he was going to Forest instead. I'd never heard of him.
If it stops us wasting 12 million on Valencia, it's probably a good call in this instance.
Still don't really follow why Hernandez would want to drop a division after two in two in the premier league. But hoping he does.
If it stops us wasting 12 million on Valencia, it's probably a good call in this instance.
Not really. If we were trying to sign Valencia then it's because the people in charge of putting the team together wanted him.
If the owner turns round and effectively says "instead of listening to what you want for the team I'm going with the opinions of these children on the internet", that doesn't bode well for any future relationship does it?
I know it's really obvious, but I've just twigged that we've a week left to get in remaining players.
Still don't really follow why Hernandez would want to drop a division after two in two in the premier league. But hoping he does.
We definitely need someone in. Wouldn't be over the moon with nakhi wells but would be a much better option than we have now. Can he play the 9 role though?
Valencia would be helped by getting a run up top through the middle I think. I think he'd score plenty in this division.
Still don't really follow why Hernandez would want to drop a division after two in two in the premier league. But hoping he does.
One in two.
Still don't really follow why Hernandez would want to drop a division after two in two in the premier league. But hoping he does.
One in two.
According to the Mail, Lescott in advanced negotiations with AEK Athens - I hope he realises how far from Manchester - Greece is?
Still don't really follow why Hernandez would want to drop a division after two in two in the premier league. But hoping he does.
One in two.
Because over a 3/4 years contract there is a strong view he would be in the Premiership with us whilst Hull go the other way
Oh but the main reason is because
WE ARE ASTON VILLA
we are now being linked with Anderlecht striker Sefano Okaka
we are now being linked with Anderlecht striker Sefano Okaka
This may have been posted as it isn't new. Purports to be an interview with Hernandez. Key points below
http://www.ovaciondigital.com.uy/futbol/joya-hernandez-inglaterra-hull-city.html
Por último, sobre la chance de pasar al Newcastle o Aston Villa, Abel dice que "son dos clubes que tienen proyectos interesantes y que están trabajando bien". Por eso, esta semana será clave para saber si sigue en Hull, pasa a uno de los dos equipos señalados o al West Bromwich Albion (Premier), que ya preguntó por
He's basically saying that villa and Newcastle have "interesting projects and are working well". So doesn't seem to be ruling it out, but could obviously be keeping his options open. This one might run on a bit.
Who are ST and AM Big Tone is Twittering about?
Didn't Randy balk at employing Schteve McClaren because of negative fan feedback?
No, that was a bit of a myth.
Either way, I don't think the owner should be making football decisions. Though he might be using this direct communication as a bargaining ploy. Overinflated price for Valencia given by Gold...negative comments on Twitter from Dr X implying we ace no longer interested...more realistic price from Gold?
If it is part of negotiations, all well and good. If the owner is dictating transfer policy, then it's a bad sign.
Absolutely. If our transfers are going to be decided on the basis of some Twits sending messages to the owner and him watching the player once then that's pretty terrifying.
Agreed. We could be signing Messi and there would be someone complaining.
Look forward to it!Who are ST and AM Big Tone is Twittering about?
Shaun Teale and Alan McInally.
It would be amazing to get in a brilliant £20m attacker (if worth the money). Can't really think who's realistic though.
im going to get my bet on villa to be promoted tomorrowMathematically impossible?
Okore's gone.
Okore's gone.
Good. Another one who won't be missed.
Well hard.Who are ST and AM Big Tone is Twittering about?
Shaun Teale and Alan McInally.
Not how I read it re the striker, I read it that loans are unpredictable, and attacking mid/ winger is close and we are working on the striker still.
Not how I read it re the striker, I read it that loans are unpredictable, and attacking mid/ winger is close and we are working on the striker still.
Okore's gone.
Good. Another one who won't be missed.
Thought he had great potential, but has stagnated. Terrible attitude last season so good riddance.
Maybe he means three - striker, attacking midfielder and a further player on loan (defender?) possibly.
I think we will see a striker come in. I have to say I would forget world class and go get Wells for 7 or 8million. He always looks like he's got goals in him.
Okore's gone.
It does sound like the striker might be difficult to pull off. We must have a reserve option just to make up the numbers there. Most of the time we've not even had a forward on the bench and when we did it was kozak
Okaka looks like Eddie Murphy.It does sound like the striker might be difficult to pull off. We must have a reserve option just to make up the numbers there. Most of the time we've not even had a forward on the bench and when we did it was kozak
Could it be Okaka ?.........................Godzvilla!
Report: Stefano Okaka clears Anderlecht locker, Aston Villa or Norwich transfer destination
Het Laatse Nieuws is reporting that the striker has cleared his possessions at the training complex in Neerpede – as it becomes clear he has no future at the Brussels club.
The report also mentions the two English clubs who are currently in the lead regarding the hunt for the player - Aston Villa and Norwich City.
Both clubs have been linked with a move for the player in recent weeks. Villa have made no secret of their attempts to sign another striker whilst Norwich are in the same boat.
Norwich however are on the brink of signing Nelson Oliveira – so a move for Okaka may seem odd.
Villa on the other hand have signed Ross McCormack this summer but want another goalscorer in the team.
Jordan Rhodes has been mentioned but Okaka would be a much cheaper option.
I used to buy a teenage Okaka playing Football Manager way back! From Roma I think.
I used to buy a teenage Okaka playing Football Manager way back! From Roma I think.
Was he any good for you?
Really the attacking mid, has the Liverpool guy we were linked with moved yet?
Kodija joining Derby. We can cross him off the list.
Newcastle close to signing Alan Judge and Darryl Murphy? They are going to have a hell of a team too, but don't think they have as solid a side as we do.
Newcastle close to signing Alan Judge and Darryl Murphy? They are going to have a hell of a team too, but don't think they have as solid a side as we do.
Yes, I bet they'd love to be as solid as us against Bristol City.
I'm really not convinced by Gollini. Wonder what the chances of getting Hart on loan would be (Citeh prepared to pay most of wages when he goes on loan apparently)
We need five at least to have any hope of promotion.
A keeper. For the love of god, a keeper.
I remember when Kozak signed, Paul Lambert said they'd chased him for months. How fucking slow was that pursuit?
I was fairly encouraged by the Derby game last week. We looked solid at the back. What on earth happened in the last 30 minutes? A worrying trend similar to the Huddersfield game. Now got 2 weeks to sort this out. Hopefully at least 2 more signings by deadline on Wednesday. Need 4 points minimum from the next 2 games at home.
We need 10 from the next 5 to get into the top half. Then a run of 23/24 from the next 30 to be in top 2 contention. Essentially 2 points a game is promotion form. 9 from the next 3 gets us back up there but today was a huge blow.
We need 10 from the next 5 to get into the top half. Then a run of 23/24 from the next 30 to be in top 2 contention. Essentially 2 points a game is promotion form. 9 from the next 3 gets us back up there but today was a huge blow.
Agreed the next 14 days gives us the chance to get in some pace, creativity and finishing ability. RDM then needs to spend the time, with those not on international duty, getting some steel and character into the squad. We are wilting far too often in second halves of games.
The key for me, particularly in midfield, is for Jedinak to be given complete responsibility for its organisation. If it was left to Westwood, which it seems to be at the moment, we'll be forever soft touches.
Newcastle close to signing Alan Judge and Darryl Murphy? They are going to have a hell of a team too, but don't think they have as solid a side as we do.
Newcastle close to signing Alan Judge and Darryl Murphy? They are going to have a hell of a team too, but don't think they have as solid a side as we do.
They are both very very average players
Daryl Murphy is fucking shit.
Daryl Murphy is fucking shit.
Okay ,a bit strange, but we don't need to know about his personal life.
Oh you were talking about his ability, yes you're right.
Chris Iwelumo is shit aswell to be fair.
Alan Judge was getting rave reviews last season until he had a very nasty leg break. Would he offer the midfield creative passing that we badly need in midfield ( if fully recovered ) ?Newcastle close to signing Alan Judge and Darryl Murphy? They are going to have a hell of a team too, but don't think they have as solid a side as we do.
They are both very very average players
BOSS OF GOSS Aston Villa line up £20m Championship record bid for Hull’s Abel Hernandez to save their season
Villa’s new Chinese rulers want the Uruguayan hitman, 26, and tabled a massive package to tempt the Tigers
BY ALAN NIXON
27th August 2016, 10:31 pm
ASTON VILLA are offering a huge Championship-record £20million for Hull striker Abel Hernandez.
Villa’s new Chinese rulers want the Uruguayan hitman, 26, and tabled a massive package to tempt the Tigers.
Abel Hernandez
REUTERS
Abe; Hernandez played against Manchester United on Saturday night byt could not score in the defeat
Abel Hernandez
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Abel Hernandez is a £20m target for Aston Villa
The bid is £14m up front with £3m on Villa achievements and £3m for goals and appearances.
More surprising is Hull have not snapped their hands off — though they are preparing to spend, which does point to a sale.
Nothing at all against Hernandez, BUT, if the club is willing and able (pardon the pun) to spend £20m on a player, isn't there a £20m player out there who could guarantee 25 goals?
It seems an awful a lot of money for a striker who is not exactly a household name.
Will Hernandez guarantee what we need and what that sort of fee will demand?.
Nothing at all against Hernandez, BUT, if the club is willing and able (pardon the pun) to spend £20m on a player, isn't there a £20m player out there who could guarantee 25 goals?
It seems an awful a lot of money for a striker who is not exactly a household name.
Will Hernandez guarantee what we need and what that sort of fee will demand?.
Well he scored 20+ goals in the Championship didn't he?
One good thing about this season is I don't get chance to watch many games, yes we need a good target man but until they do something about the piss weak midfield we will not improve.
One good thing about this season is I don't get chance to watch many games, yes we need a good target man but until they do something about the piss weak midfield we will not improve.
Agree, Robbo, the midfield should be our focus unless we go all MON and just hoof it over them but as we know, that will only take you so far - back to the 1970s.
On Hernandez: "It's real. We kept trying whole summer but still didn't work. We're going2other option and expect announce tomorrow"
In fairness the signings we've made have been pretty good quality.
Being tweeted about, Albert Adomah from Boro.I suggest a straight swap for Premier League "ready" Ayew.
http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2016/08/27/aston-villa-make-move-for-albert-adomah/
I have to say that the GK spot still has me worried. I've been saying since the window opened that we needed a top class keeper to provide solidity at the back. We signed Gollini, who is never heard of, but was willing to give a chance. Early signs not looking at all good. If I was RDM I'd be a bit worried that this position still looks to be weak and tempted to bring in another keeper.
It's a pisser because it might prevent bringing in another solid midfielder, assuming priority is bringing in another striker, as seems to be the case. You can't piss about at the back though, we have to have a solid keeper. If it means sacrifices elsewhere in the side in terms of making new signings, then just get it done.
On Hernandez: "It's real. We kept trying whole summer but still didn't work. We're going2other option and expect announce tomorrow"
On Hernandez: "It's real. We kept trying whole summer but still didn't work. We're going2other option and expect announce tomorrow"
;)
On Hernandez: "It's real. We kept trying whole summer but still didn't work. We're going2other option and expect announce tomorrow"
;)
Papers say we have Hernandez for £20m. £14 upfront and £3 for achievements + £3 for goals. Awaiting Xia's confirmationNot Hernandez according to the Dr
On Hernandez: "It's real. We kept trying whole summer but still didn't work. We're going2other option and expect announce tomorrow"
;)
Come on JP, don't leave us in suspenders: spill dem beanz!
Alan Judge was getting rave reviews last season until he had a very nasty leg break. Would he offer the midfield creative passing that we badly need in midfield ( if fully recovered ) ?Newcastle close to signing Alan Judge and Darryl Murphy? They are going to have a hell of a team too, but don't think they have as solid a side as we do.
They are both very very average players
Papers say we have Hernandez for £20m. £14 upfront and £3 for achievements + £3 for goals. Awaiting Xia's confirmationNot Hernandez according to the Dr
Papers say we have Hernandez for £20m. £14 upfront and £3 for achievements + £3 for goals. Awaiting Xia's confirmationNot Hernandez according to the Dr
You basing that on what he said last night? It could be taken both ways because his English isn't the best. I think he meant we are signing Hernandez, but at an inflated price.
Papers say we have Hernandez for £20m. £14 upfront and £3 for achievements + £3 for goals. Awaiting Xia's confirmationNot Hernandez according to the Dr
You basing that on what he said last night? It could be taken both ways because his English isn't the best. I think he meant we are signing Hernandez, but at an inflated price.
Papers say we have Hernandez for £20m. £14 upfront and £3 for achievements + £3 for goals. Awaiting Xia's confirmationNot Hernandez according to the Dr
You basing that on what he said last night? It could be taken both ways because his English isn't the best. I think he meant we are signing Hernandez, but at an inflated price.
I thought Kodjia had joined Derby, then Hull yesterday?
I thought Kodjia had joined Derby, then Hull yesterday?
Blimey. His agent must be laughing all the way to the bank with 2 moves in one day!
I thought Kodjia had joined Derby, then Hull yesterday?
Blimey. His agent must be laughing all the way to the bank with 2 moves in one day!
Playing for two clubs at the same time is multi tasking at its best
not even a woman could do that
We missed a trick not getting Abraham from Chelsea clearly on loan. I would like to see a couple of loan signings this week in attacking positions. I would also go back for a keeper
Newcastle close to signing Alan Judge and Darryl Murphy? They are going to have a hell of a team too, but don't think they have as solid a side as we do.
They are both very very average players
Daryl Murphy is fucking shit.
I'd love to see James Wilson from Man United, on loan
I would settle for Tony Hart
I would settle for Tony Hart
Maybe if we sign Tony Hart he could Morph into Joe Hart
I would settle for Tony Hart
Maybe if we sign Tony Hart he could Morph into Joe Hart
He could turn some of these defeats into draws.
I'd love to see James Wilson from Man United, on loan
I would settle for Tony Hart
Maybe if we sign Tony Hart he could Morph into Joe Hart
He could turn some of these defeats into draws.
He could help mould us into a better football team
I would settle for Tony Hart
I would settle for Tony Hart
Maybe if we sign Tony Hart he could Morph into Joe Hart
He could turn some of these defeats into draws.
He could help mould us into a better football team
Not for me, he plays to the gallery
boro fan about Albert
For me it is a no brainer to get rid of AA. Well in some games he has a bit of magic, but more odten he loses the ball way to much and if we didn't have great defenders, he would have cost us a lot of goals. He is arguably an ok championship player at best.
If he ever plays for us again, try to look at the amount of easy balls he fumbles away to the oposition to make a counter....
sounds a bit like Ayew ;) and they are saying £8 million
If we've got this money that's being talked about for a forward we should get Rhodes. £15m or so would get him, I reckon. He's barely getting a look in.
If we've got this money that's being talked about for a forward we should get Rhodes. £15m or so would get him, I reckon. He's barely getting a look in.
Isn't DM just another in a long line of Villa managers who does not believe in wingers?
If we've got this money that's being talked about for a forward we should get Rhodes. £15m or so would get him, I reckon. He's barely getting a look in.
It's because he's not very good. He does score goals, but he contributes nothing else. That's why he's not getting a look in.
Announcement today like Tony mentioned? Hopefully 2 signings?Well I wish he would bloody hurry up I'm sneaking on here every 10 mins as well as news threads and other half getting pissy now as jobs not getting done 😜
If it really is c £14m for kodjia I'd much rather we look elsewhere
There must be better deals out there.
Shooting can be taught. It's the composure bit that concerns me. If nothing else we need to find ways to get McCormack into key positions because he has a solid record of finding the net.
If it really is c £14m for kodjia I'd much rather we look elsewhere
There must be better deals out there.
I can believe in Europe you can't get 2 Kodjia and a decent midfielder for that. Brighton got knockaert for 1.9m or thereabouts.
I don't think McCormack can play no 9 can he?I think in the same way as Robbie Keane could, perhaps a false nine. But of course you need someone who will break beyond him from midfield or the wings.
I would settle for Tony Hart
Maybe if we sign Tony Hart he could Morph into Joe Hart
He could turn some of these defeats into draws.
He could help mould us into a better football team
Not for me, he plays to the gallery
This sounds promising http://m.thenorthernecho.co.uk/sport/14709770.Middlesbrough_to_make_a_final_push_for_defensive_target___but_Albert_Adomah_and_Jordan_Rhodes_are_set_to_leave/
This sounds promising http://m.thenorthernecho.co.uk/sport/14709770.Middlesbrough_to_make_a_final_push_for_defensive_target___but_Albert_Adomah_and_Jordan_Rhodes_are_set_to_leave/
Would be a good addition. He's rapid and we all know how badly were missing pace in the final 3rd.
Still wouldn't be surprised if Ayew leaves before Wednesday. Swap deal for Afobe?
Prefer Rhodes , not sure how is stats stack up versus other names on here tho
Don't fancy Rhodes myself
Don't fancy Rhodes myself
I agree, It's a bit too package-holiday for my liking.
Don't fancy Rhodes myself
I agree, It's a bit too package-holiday for my liking.
nobody mention lesbos
Is everyone really desperate to get rid of Ayew, our best player, after one disappointing performance?
I think some people are genuinely suggesting we try for Joe hart. Really.
Don't fancy Rhodes myself
I agree, It's a bit too package-holiday for my liking.
Is everyone really desperate to get rid of Ayew, our best player, after one disappointing performance?
Is everyone really desperate to get rid of Ayew, our best player, after one disappointing performance?
I think it's ridiculous. Some people seem desperate to find a specific player to blame for each defeat.
Will Grigg ? Why not?
Is everyone really desperate to get rid of Ayew, our best player, after one disappointing performance?
I think it's ridiculous. Some people seem desperate to find a specific player to blame for each defeat.
Thats the nature of football forums, when your team lose you analyse were it went wrong.
Seems Britt Assomo....... has recently started following Grealish on Twitter and he and Landsbury have handed in transfer requests Forest. Both would be good buys.
Telegraph are reporting that andy. It would be a fucking travesty considering there are a number of players out there that will be able to put away the chances we are creating, miles better than bloody Gabby too.No they are not. It was a wind up on Twitter that's caused meltdown
Bloody notification tweet coming though my phone, thanks Vinnie!Telegraph are reporting that andy. It would be a fucking travesty considering there are a number of players out there that will be able to put away the chances we are creating, miles better than bloody Gabby too.No they are not. It was a wind up on Twitter that's caused meltdown
Wind up or not, it seems a plausible situation now.Telegraph are reporting that andy. It would be a fucking travesty considering there are a number of players out there that will be able to put away the chances we are creating, miles better than bloody Gabby too.No they are not. It was a wind up on Twitter that's caused meltdown
Wind up or not, it seems a plausible situation now.Telegraph are reporting that andy. It would be a fucking travesty considering there are a number of players out there that will be able to put away the chances we are creating, miles better than bloody Gabby too.No they are not. It was a wind up on Twitter that's caused meltdown
We 'supposedly' have £20m to burn on a striker, but there isn't a striker in the whole wide world that will come.
Pulis has indicated berahino is leaving before the window closes.
Is everyone really desperate to get rid of Ayew, our best player, after one disappointing performance?
I think it's ridiculous. Some people seem desperate to find a specific player to blame for each defeat.
Thats the nature of football forums, when your team lose you analyse were it went wrong.
Official bid of £14m rising to £17m made for Hernandez according to the Mail.
Official bid of £14m rising to £17m made for Hernandez according to the Mail.
That is a very decent offer.
Bloody hell, Forest fans are a bit glum arent they?
Apparent bid for Assombalonga turned down.We get turned down but we get up again.
I would settle for Tony Hartwould he have sanctioned the departure of Mr Bennett?
Maybe if we sign Tony Hart he could Morph into Joe Hart
He could turn some of these defeats into draws.
He could help mould us into a better football team
They would be mad to turn that down. I still can't believe we can't find a couple of strikers around Europe for 8million each that would take the championship apart
Rhodes is far too immobile. We need pace to work channels and in behind teams so that they cannot just step up ten yards second half.
[/quoRhodes is far too immobile. We need pace to work channels and in behind teams so that they cannot just step up ten yards second half.This is contributing to these capitulations I reckon. When the opposition start to push up we should be picking them off with fast breaks but we have no pacy players to do that. I thought Traore might be that man but no. We need someone like Gabby used to be, if only eh?
Lescott has signed for AEK Athens.
Traore not staying is a real blow pace wise
Traore not staying is a real blow pace wise
I wish I'd paid more attention to football outside of Villa last season. For a start I'd probably have enjoyed things a lot more. But also I might have at least a rudimentary understanding of some of the players we're currently being linked with. I have absolutely no idea of how good/shit/indifferent any of them are, to offer an opinion.
It does seem though, that we've identified a number of attacking options and are working hard to bring one or more in.
After we get a striker, whoever that may be, I'd still like to see a pacy winger who can deliver good balls in signed. And unfortunately, another keeper, as I don't think Gollini is up to it yet, on his showing so far.
let's hope our indifferent start to the season doesn't hinder us too much between now and Wednesday nightim not too bothered about the indifferent start. In a way, it just gives RDM and Clark ammo to keep the pressure on Tone. And whilst I've had a snowball's chance in hell of seeing any of our games now that I have no Foxtel, and much less, even reading a newspaper match report; from what I've gathered reading on here, we've been murdering teams, but without getting the goals so far.
McCormack is a 20 a season man. Although that probably includes penaltiesits funny how people talk about 'number 9s' and 'number 10s' these days. When I think in those terms, I just automatically think of Withe and Sid. No other Villa players from the past get a look in, in those positions as far as I'm concerned.
But he has never been a number 9 as far as I know. And that's the player we need, and have needed since benteke left
If McCormack was more match fit and in form, I think we might have polished off teams of late. But we'd still need that out ball into the channels
so Messi has had a new position named after himself? Fair enough, he deserves it I suppose.
so Messi has had a new position named after himself? Fair enough, he deserves it I suppose.
Squad numbers are only to make more money on shirt sales anyway!
e.g. Don Revie for Man City in the 1950'sso Messi has had a new position named after himself? Fair enough, he deserves it I suppose.
The tactic predates Messi by a long way.
A few reports suggesting the guy from Borough has passed the medical and agreed terms
Adomah has turned us down.
Shame Adama appears to be on the way out as Adomah is on the way in. The speling rickets would have BE in meltdown.
Don't get the love fest for Adama.
Quick, most definitely, and that's it.
He's a ball hogging selfish player who plays for himself.
This is more than likely the reason he's hardly selected.
Don't get the love fest for Adama.
Quick, most definitely, and that's it.
He's a ball hogging selfish player who plays for himself.
This is more than likely the reason he's hardly selected.
I'm not convinced about Adama but if he stays he has to play simply because he has the one thing everyone else lacks - pace
It's great to see the back of Lescott, but if it looks like we're stuck with and paying the wages of Gabby and Richards, then surely it would make sense to at least try to send them out on loan to a club like a Hull who are literally desperate for more players.
It's great to see the back of Lescott, but if it looks like we're stuck with and paying the wages of Gabby and Richards, then surely it would make sense to at least try to send them out on loan to a club like a Hull who are literally desperate for more players.
I suspect Agbonlahor and Richards would fall down laughing at that suggestion. If a player doesn't want to go on loan to a specific club the club cannot force him to go.
and its bloody cold in Hull!
I have seen, with my own eyes, in the flesh, every minute Adama Traore has played for us. I have never seen him play badly. I do not know where all the hate has come from.
This.I'm not convinced about Adama but if he stays he has to play simply because he has the one thing everyone else lacks - pace
I'd love to see Adama playing. His debut at Palace was enough to show that he has bags of skill as well as pace. Admittedly he might lack awareness but you'd hope that would develop with games.
Well, Hernandez wants to come here , according to the Daily Heil, among others, but they need a replacement striker first. Maybe they had a scout at the Villa - Noocastle U21s this afternoon , where Kozak scored a hat-trick................Godzvilla!
Abel Hernandez keen on a move to Aston Villa as Hull search for a replacement striker:
Hull striker Abel Hernandez is keen to secure a move to Aston Villa before the summer transfer window closes.
The 26-year-old Uruguay international has been targeted by Villa boss Roberto Di Matteo and was the subject of a £14million bid on Monday.
However, Hull are reluctant to allow the striker to leave before they have lined up a replacement.
Berahino 25mill :o
Fake twitter account doh ;D
I have seen, with my own eyes, in the flesh, every minute Adama Traore has played for us. I have never seen him play badly. I do not know where all the hate has come from.
This is nail on head for me. He has his weaknesses (so do the rest of our squad), but his strengths are so far superior to anyone else's in the entire division that he simply has to play. The kind of ace in the hole that gets you promoted (with a solid base behind him, which we're verging on having). I'm looking forward to seeing him play regularly anyway, even if it's not at the Villa.
Well, Hernandez wants to come here , according to the Daily Heil, among others, but they need a replacement striker first. Maybe they had a scout at the Villa - Noocastle U21s this afternoon , where Kozak scored a hat-trick................Godzvilla!SSN: Will Keane from Man Utd is having a medical at Hull so this may be the deal that releases Hernandez.
Abel Hernandez keen on a move to Aston Villa as Hull search for a replacement striker:
Hull striker Abel Hernandez is keen to secure a move to Aston Villa before the summer transfer window closes.
The 26-year-old Uruguay international has been targeted by Villa boss Roberto Di Matteo and was the subject of a £14million bid on Monday.
However, Hull are reluctant to allow the striker to leave before they have lined up a replacement.
Well, Hernandez wants to come here , according to the Daily Heil, among others, but they need a replacement striker first. Maybe they had a scout at the Villa - Noocastle U21s this afternoon , where Kozak scored a hat-trick................Godzvilla!SSN: Will Keane from Man Utd is having a medical at Hull so this may be the deal that releases Hernandez.
Abel Hernandez keen on a move to Aston Villa as Hull search for a replacement striker:
Hull striker Abel Hernandez is keen to secure a move to Aston Villa before the summer transfer window closes.
The 26-year-old Uruguay international has been targeted by Villa boss Roberto Di Matteo and was the subject of a £14million bid on Monday.
However, Hull are reluctant to allow the striker to leave before they have lined up a replacement.
edit: apparently they are also negotiating deals for Hendrik from Derby and Kidoja from Bristol.
I have seen, with my own eyes, in the flesh, every minute Adama Traore has played for us. I have never seen him play badly. I do not know where all the hate has come from.
I have seen, with my own eyes, in the flesh, every minute Adama Traore has played for us. I have never seen him play badly. I do not know where all the hate has come from.
Same here Brian, I've seen every minute he's played for us. He could be a massive player for us if we gave him the opportunity.
I have seen, with my own eyes, in the flesh, every minute Adama Traore has played for us. I have never seen him play badly. I do not know where all the hate has come from.
Same here Brian, I've seen every minute he's played for us. He could be a massive player for us if we gave him the opportunity.
Does he not need to get fit and then impress the manager in training
When /where did he say he wants to leave?
Don't get the love fest for Adama.
Quick, most definitely, and that's it.
He's a ball hogging selfish player who plays for himself.
This is more than likely the reason he's hardly selected.
Young, inexperienced, new to English football, talented but needs coaching. I should imagine that coaching of disciplined team play in Spain comes far later in a young players development than it does in England. Can he handle it in a foreign country, I don't know.
I have seen, with my own eyes, in the flesh, every minute Adama Traore has played for us. I have never seen him play badly. I do not know where all the hate has come from.
sky sports news reckon the Hernandes deal won't happenThis Gives me hope that it may a finally happen after all....
I have seen, with my own eyes, in the flesh, every minute Adama Traore has played for us. I have never seen him play badly. I do not know where all the hate has come from.
Is this Hernandez even that good? Is he genuinely likely to be the missing piece of the jigsaw? Are there better targets available out there that would come...or is this guy the best option?
Is this Hernandez even that good? Is he genuinely likely to be the missing piece of the jigsaw? Are there better targets available out there that would come...or is this guy the best option?
Well SSN just said we've bid £20m which would be a record for a Championship club.sky sports news reckon the Hernandes deal won't happenThis Gives me hope that it may a finally happen after all....
Well that's apparently what Hull want, and Hernandez wants to join? That's got to be promising surely.Well SSN just said we've bid £20m which would be a record for a Championship club.sky sports news reckon the Hernandes deal won't happenThis Gives me hope that it may a finally happen after all....
You would think?Well that's apparently what Hull want, and Hernandez wants to join? That's got to be promising surely.Well SSN just said we've bid £20m which would be a record for a Championship club.sky sports news reckon the Hernandes deal won't happenThis Gives me hope that it may a finally happen after all....
Definitely not but if 34 million for he and McCormack gets us 40 goals it makes our chances of going up a hell of a lot better. I can flippantly say "well it's not my money" but we said that when Randy was spunking cash left, right and centre. I just hope we don't make the same mistakes again. We can't do this again the next 3 summers.You would think?Well that's apparently what Hull want, and Hernandez wants to join? That's got to be promising surely.Well SSN just said we've bid £20m which would be a record for a Championship club.sky sports news reckon the Hernandes deal won't happenThis Gives me hope that it may a finally happen after all....
Is he a £20m man though? Serious question, I have no idea. A bit like the last five managers we've had over the last so many years I suppose.
Typical parallel world Villa fans.
Villakick's in depth and informed scouting which ultimately led to him being recruited as Villa's chief scout also gave us all hope that us mere mortals could get a job in football. We all look forward to signing Jason Scotland before the window closes.Typical parallel world Villa fans.
It's just depressing - Legion banging on about his second lottery win and capitalist pigdog Percy talking about his share options again.
At least Chris Jameson's latest Kaiser Chiefs tattoo has cheered us all up.
Typical parallel world Villa fans.
It's just depressing - Legion banging on about his second lottery win and capitalist pigdog Percy talking about his share options again.
At least Chris Jameson's latest Kaiser Chiefs tattoo has cheered us all up.
Well that's apparently what Hull want, and Hernandez wants to join? That's got to be promising surely.Well SSN just said we've bid £20m which would be a record for a Championship club.sky sports news reckon the Hernandes deal won't happenThis Gives me hope that it may a finally happen after all....
I just watched all of Hernandez's goals from the last campaign:
All the them came within 12 yards of the goal, with a majority inside the 6.
About half were tap ins from rebounds and goal mouth commotion.
He's not usually in the build up, but often ends up with the ball. Right place, right time.
I just watched all of Hernandez's goals from the last campaign:
All the them came within 12 yards of the goal, with a majority inside the 6.
About half were tap ins from rebounds and goal mouth commotion.
He's not usually in the build up, but often ends up with the ball. Right place, right time.
You sure it wasn't Gestede's highlights reel from 14/15 you were watching? It sounds a lot like it.
Is Kevin Kyle still a footballer?
I look forward to Thursday when I stop using my data allowance by constantly refreshing h&v, Twitter, newsnow et al.
I look forward to Thursday when I stop using my data allowance by constantly refreshing h&v, Twitter, newsnow et al.
Yeah me too! Why do we find it s compulsve to do it!?
Benteke is not joining a championship teamThey'll be back soon enough.
My gut feeling says I'd rather have Assombalonga than Hernandez.
The Nottingham Forest forums are reporting we've put in a second bid for him.
Benteke is not joining a championship teamThey'll be back soon enough.
I look forward to Thursday when I stop using my data allowance by constantly refreshing h&v, Twitter, newsnow et al.
Yeah me too! Why do we find it s compulsve to do it!?
Me as well. At 51 yrs old I should really know better
I look forward to Thursday when I stop using my data allowance by constantly refreshing h&v, Twitter, newsnow et al.
Yeah me too! Why do we find it s compulsve to do it!?
Me as well. At 51 yrs old I should really know better
that makes me feel better at 41
How do you think I feel at 67? I'm always popping in and out of this thread hoping for some good news regarding better signings.
Is Kevin Kyle still a footballer?
Was he ever?
Lucas Piazon from Chelsea being linked.
He is primarily a forward, although he has also been deployed as a left winger, as an attacking midfielder or in the hole behind the striker.
Lucas Piazon from Chelsea being linked.Just googled him, he can play in the hole it says, come on PWS, it's your cue.
Lucas Piazon from Chelsea being linked.What does he do when he is not sitting on his arse counting money?
Rumours going around that danny ings been seen,Well no one actually saw him last season so that's quite an achievement.
Rumours going around that danny ings been seen,Well no one actually saw him last season so that's quite an achievement.
I think i'd rather have Heskey on loan than pay £20m for Hernandez.
Harsh. Whilst he may not have been on the pitch for the majority of the season due to injury he does a fantastic job for Danny Ings Sport Disability Project, linked to Burnley FC in the Community, despite having left that club.Rumours going around that danny ings been seen,Well no one actually saw him last season so that's quite an achievement.
I think i'd rather have Heskey on loan than pay £20m for Hernandez.
Harsh. Whilst he may not have been on the pitch for the majority of the season due to injury he does a fantastic job for Danny Ings Sport Disability Project, linked to Burnley FC in the Community, despite having left that club.Rumours going around that danny ings been seen,Well no one actually saw him last season so that's quite an achievement.
Rumours going around that danny ings been seen, potential loan ? Wouldn't mind him, cant get on the Liverpool bench at the moment.
On a more plausible link - how would we sort out Hernandez signing when he's in Uruguay? Normally players physically go to the club they're joining don't they? I can't see him hot footing it over to Birmingham / London at a minute's notice?He can do a medical in Uruguay (if he hasn't done one already!) & can sign without being at Bodymoor. Sure a few deals last year were done on deadline day 'remotely'
Can they do a virtual medical by Montevideo link?Boom boom!
I look forward to Thursday when I stop using my data allowance by constantly refreshing h&v, Twitter, newsnow et al.
Yeah me too! Why do we find it s compulsve to do it!?
Me as well. At 51 yrs old I should really know better
that makes me feel better at 41
And me at 32!
Well less than 48 hours to, how many more do we reckon then? I am going for a disappointing 2, neither being anywhere near what we wanted and some good old school hand wringing and doom mongering to be had.i think we get a centre forward and a n other.
I think it may be a couple of loans, I notice that Pulis said yesterday that Lambert will leave the Albion before Wednesday, could he be on his way to us?
£20 million bid, the football world has gone mad!, this transfer window, the fees that are being paid for average footballers is unbelievable
Such is the prize money of the Premiership. Corner shops need not apply.
Spoke to a Bristol City steward about Kodjia on Saturday. He'd said he's ok, no more than that.
I can't see us buying three very expensive strikers this summer (including McCormack)
My slight concern, admittedly based on not much more than dodgy news sources, is that players seem to be giving us the swerve in a way they weren't earlier in the window. Have our performances so far dispelled the idea that we are likely promotion candidates? Are there rumblings amongst players that we're still basket case territory?
Federico Macheda has just left Cardiff.......
;)
I'd be happy with Kodjia despite the price. Add Morrison as the CAM and that'd suit me
But where are our scouts and what are they doing to earn their money? why are we only linked with the seemingly obvious big money names? where are the scouts out there trawling Europe and the planet for the next Kodjia, Hernandez, McCormack, Assombalonga before they become hugely expensive ?
It's all very lazy looking from the outside
Pity about Hernandez, looks a tidy player. However £20m is steep and I don't want us loading up the wage bill too much either, we know where that got us under Lerner.
See we have been linked with Uruguayan international Diego Rolan today. Don't know much about him, but has an impressive strike rate.
Maybe we will end up with Kodja and Rolan/Asombalonga/another striker now Hernandez has fallen through. Not convinced with Kodja, but hopefully he will add something.
Also read that the winger from Middlesboro turned us down. Not too bothered about that one, but hopefully we have another option lined up instead.
I'd be happy with Kodjia despite the price. Add Morrison as the CAM and that'd suit me
But where are our scouts and what are they doing to earn their money? why are we only linked with the seemingly obvious big money names? where are the scouts out there trawling Europe and the planet for the next Kodjia, Hernandez, McCormack, Assombalonga before they become hugely expensive ?
It's all very lazy looking from the outside
We would just say we were bargain basement shopping again if we did.
I think thats a bit harsh - whatever the money he has sent, it is all on proven Championship players - that's not a bad strategy to my mind.that's the level we're at, so it makes sense to buy players that know what they're doing at this level. The Darren Huckerby lot.
My slight concern, admittedly based on not much more than dodgy news sources, is that players seem to be giving us the swerve in a way they weren't earlier in the window. Have our performances so far dispelled the idea that we are likely promotion candidates? Are there rumblings amongst players that we're still basket case territory?Based on recent history and this seasons results, you don't need a Sherlock Homes intuition to come to that conclusion.
I think thats a bit harsh - whatever the money he has sent, it is all on proven Championship players - that's not a bad strategy to my mind.
We're still lacking another centre midfielder, a wide player - especially if Adama Traore, and Agbonlahor aren't going to be used, and a striker who can do a bit of everything...
Can't see many coming in before tomorrow's deadline.
Hull are now in for AyewA makeweight for Hernandez?
Hull are now in for Ayew
I don't think at this moment in time we have a great scouting network. That might be where Round comes in poss.
My slight concern, admittedly based on not much more than dodgy news sources, is that players seem to be giving us the swerve in a way they weren't earlier in the window. Have our performances so far dispelled the idea that we are likely promotion candidates? Are there rumblings amongst players that we're still basket case territory?Based on recent history and this seasons results, you don't need a Sherlock Homes intuition to come to that conclusion.
We need to improve our strike force. Why the Hell would we want to lose our best forward?
We need to improve our strike force. Why the Hell would we want to lose our best forward?
Because if Ayew is our best forward we're humped ?????????
my point is I am agreeing with you.My slight concern, admittedly based on not much more than dodgy news sources, is that players seem to be giving us the swerve in a way they weren't earlier in the window. Have our performances so far dispelled the idea that we are likely promotion candidates? Are there rumblings amongst players that we're still basket case territory?Based on recent history and this seasons results, you don't need a Sherlock Homes intuition to come to that conclusion.
Yes. So what's your point? I don't know how relevant recent history prior to the summer is. We have had a close season to fix the problems and a new owner/manager to do the fixing. A few weeks ago you'd have been forgiven for believing we were going to tear the league up, given the arrival of players like McCormack.
These prices are unbelievable.
He's a fantastic player. Easily one of the best forwards in the division and losing him as a makeweight for a bloke who is surplus to requirements at Hull fucking City would be the worst decision made anywhere since the people of Germany thought "we should give this bloke with a moustache a chance".
We need to improve our strike force. Why the Hell would we want to lose our best forward?
Because if Ayew is our best forward we're humped ?????????
He's a fantastic player. Easily one of the best forwards in the division and losing him as a makeweight for a bloke who is surplus to requirements at Hull fucking City would be the worst decision made anywhere since the people of Germany thought "we should give this bloke with a moustache a chance".
I thought Rudi Voller did OK for them.We need to improve our strike force. Why the Hell would we want to lose our best forward?
Because if Ayew is our best forward we're humped ?????????
He's a fantastic player. Easily one of the best forwards in the division and losing him as a makeweight for a bloke who is surplus to requirements at Hull fucking City would be the worst decision made anywhere since the people of Germany thought "we should give this bloke with a moustache a chance".
Based on what? The fact that he's been our best player for the last year?
Based on what? The fact that he's been our best player for the last year?
Can I go to your next rewarding success dinner please?
my point is I am agreeing with you.My slight concern, admittedly based on not much more than dodgy news sources, is that players seem to be giving us the swerve in a way they weren't earlier in the window. Have our performances so far dispelled the idea that we are likely promotion candidates? Are there rumblings amongst players that we're still basket case territory?Based on recent history and this seasons results, you don't need a Sherlock Homes intuition to come to that conclusion.
Yes. So what's your point? I don't know how relevant recent history prior to the summer is. We have had a close season to fix the problems and a new owner/manager to do the fixing. A few weeks ago you'd have been forgiven for believing we were going to tear the league up, given the arrival of players like McCormack.
That is very good.Based on what? The fact that he's been our best player for the last year?
Can I go to your next rewarding success dinner please?
I find it funny how some people have decided Ayew is rubbish after one poor game. He's a good player and we shouldn't be losing him.
I find it funny how some people have decided Ayew is rubbish after one poor game. He's a good player and we shouldn't be losing him.
I find it funny how some people have decided Ayew is rubbish after one poor game. He's a good player and we shouldn't be losing him.Yep. A lot of it seems to be because of his face or his lack of celebration on the weekend. Who cares!
I find it funny how some people have decided Ayew is rubbish after one poor game. He's a good player and we shouldn't be losing him.
He's not rubbish, he's just bloody frustrating to watch sometimes.
I don't think it's that he's rubbish but it does make you wonder what he offers and where he fits in. He's a very talented footballer but he doesn't score many goals, he could set up more. He seems to sulk a lot, but then we all know he works hard. He's just an odd player and person to figure out.I think i'm with you on this. I just don't get him
I find it funny how some people have decided Ayew is rubbish after one poor game. He's a good player and we shouldn't be losing him.
He's not rubbish, he's just bloody frustrating to watch sometimes.
I get that, but some people seem to want to kick him out of the door. He could slaughter this league if he gets more focussed on team play.
I don't think it's that he's rubbish but it does make you wonder what he offers and where he fits in. He's a very talented footballer but he doesn't score many goals, he could set up more. He seems to sulk a lot, but then we all know he works hard. He's just an odd player and person to figure out.I think i'm with you on this. I just don't get him
Ayew is a good player who is being played out of position, not brilliant but a cut above his team mates.I am not sure what his position is.
Havn't followed any of the players we are being linked with but the money makes your eyes water.
Dr Tony on the Midland Red
Went to Aberdovey via Machynlleth
Lescott took the plane to Greece
And made us one big cunthlleth
I'd say that's a bit premature after 5 games of this season.He played all last year too.
Ayew is talented but I am not adverse to cashing in on him now while he remains a saleable commodity and bringing in more practical players who in my view would better help us achieve promotion. He is in no way indispensible and I don't rate him nearly as highly as some fans obviously do.
I'd say that's a bit premature after 5 games of this season.He played all last year too.
I find it funny how some people have decided Ayew is rubbish after one poor game. He's a good player and we shouldn't be losing him.Yep. A lot of it seems to be because of his face or his lack of celebration on the weekend. Who cares!
That in last seasons team was triffic, just triffic.I find it funny how some people have decided Ayew is rubbish after one poor game. He's a good player and we shouldn't be losing him.Yep. A lot of it seems to be because of his face or his lack of celebration on the weekend. Who cares!
His scoring record for us seems to be 8 goals in 43 appearances across all comps - http://www.soccerbase.com/players/player.sd?player_id=56636&season_id=149.
I cant imagine his record of assists is great either.
Think he is a decent player but isnt delivering enough really either.
Tony said a few weeks ago that Ayew is going nowhere....
On paper we could probably have the best team in the league after the window closes. On the pitch though ....
The whole front unit is pretty dysfunctional at the moment. But Ayew, Grealish and McCormack have hardly played together so far. If they have no patterns to their play by January then I think it is reasonable to look for alternatives but it is a little unfair at the moment, specially without a decent front man to spearhead the attack.we don't have the luxury of time.
If it were a choice of having Kodjia and Hernandez I would sacrifice Ayew for it.
Agree and think it will happen, it can't be worse than last year surely.On paper we could probably have the best team in the league after the window closes. On the pitch though ....
Turning 11 individuals into a team takes time.
I think be it only 3 weeks into the season this is when you do have the luxury of time.The whole front unit is pretty dysfunctional at the moment. But Ayew, Grealish and McCormack have hardly played together so far. If they have no patterns to their play by January then I think it is reasonable to look for alternatives but it is a little unfair at the moment, specially without a decent front man to spearhead the attack.we don't have the luxury of time.
he is talked Ng January, if we have not sorted out our attacking function by then it will be too late.I think be it only 3 weeks into the season this is when you do have the luxury of time.The whole front unit is pretty dysfunctional at the moment. But Ayew, Grealish and McCormack have hardly played together so far. If they have no patterns to their play by January then I think it is reasonable to look for alternatives but it is a little unfair at the moment, specially without a decent front man to spearhead the attack.we don't have the luxury of time.
You made a bloody good point then.he is talked Ng January, if we have not sorted out our attacking function by then it will be too late.I think be it only 3 weeks into the season this is when you do have the luxury of time.The whole front unit is pretty dysfunctional at the moment. But Ayew, Grealish and McCormack have hardly played together so far. If they have no patterns to their play by January then I think it is reasonable to look for alternatives but it is a little unfair at the moment, specially without a decent front man to spearhead the attack.we don't have the luxury of time.
If it were a choice of having Kodjia and Hernandez I would sacrifice Ayew for it.
Agreed.
He has talent, but no end product. Plus I don't like him.
Palace now with Benteke and Remy.. that could be a handful to deal with.
Is Kodjia the 'World Class' no.9 Tony told us about!
I find it funny how some people have decided Ayew is rubbish after one poor game. He's a good player and we shouldn't be losing him.Yep. A lot of it seems to be because of his face or his lack of celebration on the weekend. Who cares!
His scoring record for us seems to be 8 goals in 43 appearances across all comps - http://www.soccerbase.com/players/player.sd?player_id=56636&season_id=149.
I cant imagine his record of assists is great either.
Think he is a decent player but isnt delivering enough really either.
When we signed Ayew from L'Orient I think it was BE who said the French media had Ayew with the lowest shots to goals ratio in the whole of Ligue Un by some distance. He is an outstanding approach player but does not score anywhere near as much as he should. I would keep him just for the quality of his football.
there's a poster on VT with a good record of predicting transfers who thinks Morrison is on his way to B6
Kodjia to be completed tomorrow morning according to Sky's chief news beard
Is Kodjia the 'World Class' no.9 Tony told us about!You thought it was Neymar didn't you!?
Is Kodjia the 'World Class' no.9 Tony told us about!
@Dr_TonyXia: We'll announce the striker in an hour. I think it's the best choice for us !#UTV @AVFCOfficialAlready done mate, on twitter confirmed
I never knew Bristol City had a world class striker on their books.They don't now[twitacc][/twitacc]
As he signs up we 'll do the poll will Johnathan Kajagoogoo score 20 or more goals in this league season
Yes hush hush he comfortably will
OR
No Too shy shy
Please can we do this ?
great now let's have a few more before the deadline please!
As he signs up we 'll do the poll will Johnathan Kajagoogoo score 20 or more goals in this league season
Yes hush hush he comfortably will
OR
No Too shy shy
Please can we do this ?
Nope.
Re Kodjia. My Bristol City supporting mate seems ambivalent. He says he is the sort of player who is very uninspiring to watch and looks like he can't trap a bag of cement, not good at hold up play or at all skillful, but is very fast and knows where the net is. Sounded like he was describing a sort of poor man's Darren Bent. So that is probably what we need. But the money is insane. They spent £2m on the guy a year ago.
Sly Sports reporting that we may also be in for Jordan Rhodes or some other foreign bloke from Middlesbrough.
@Dr_TonyXia: We'll announce the striker in an hour. I think it's the best choice for us !#UTV @AVFCOfficial
Re Kodjia. My Bristol City supporting mate seems ambivalent. He says he is the sort of player who is very uninspiring to watch and looks like he can't trap a bag of cement, not good at hold up play or at all skillful, but is very fast and knows where the net is. Sounded like he was describing a sort of poor man's Darren Bent. So that is probably what we need. But the money is insane. They spent £2m on the guy a year ago.
Inspiring!
:-\
Re Kodjia. My Bristol City supporting mate seems ambivalent. He says he is the sort of player who is very uninspiring to watch and looks like he can't trap a bag of cement, not good at hold up play or at all skillful, but is very fast and knows where the net is. Sounded like he was describing a sort of poor man's Darren Bent. So that is probably what we need. But the money is insane. They spent £2m on the guy a year ago.
Inspiring!
:-\
Cover for CB needed. Okore, Lescott gone, Toner loaned out. Richards likely to go. Only really leaves Baker??
Winger/creative player now please.
Pretty much says it's right for 'us'.. being Aston Villa.@Dr_TonyXia: We'll announce the striker in an hour. I think it's the best choice for us !#UTV @AVFCOfficial
Picking hairs, but I'd prefer it if he was the manager's preference rather than the chairman's.
When this is all over can we do a poll!Hey footyskillz, why not just do your own Poll?
About how happy with signings
CB and CM please
potentially a good signing so welcome
be interesting to see how we line up now i would imagine 4 4 2 or 4 4 1 1 which begs the question what happens to ayew
potentially a good signing so welcome
be interesting to see how we line up now i would imagine 4 4 2 or 4 4 1 1 which begs the question what happens to ayew
He attracts interest from Hull Tigers FC so we make his day by sending him to the European City of Culture 2017 in part exchange for Robert Snodgrass.
potentially a good signing so welcome
be interesting to see how we line up now i would imagine 4 4 2 or 4 4 1 1 which begs the question what happens to ayew
The fees paid for McCormack and Kodjia smack of desperation tactics to me - more so Kodjia. We have effectively had to write off large swathes of our squad, and very expensively re-assemble it. Of course, if we are promoted it will have been worth it, but it seems like a real gamble at the moment.Let us sign some French talents - that should work.
We've just signed someone who scored 20 in 48 in the Championship for £15m, 12 months after signing for £2m from Ligue 2. I just don't see how 12 months in the Championship multiples his value sevenfold (or fivefold for that matter). It's not a substantial enough indicator of his quality. Last year's Ligue 2 top scorer joined Angers (now in Lifue 1) in the summer, and the second top scorer (who is a France U20 international) joined Bournemouth for £6m.
I would be comfortable with us spending big money on a signing that was virtually guaranteed to succeed, but this one doesn't feel that safe to me.
The fees paid for McCormack and Kodjia smack of desperation tactics to me - more so Kodjia. We have effectively had to write off large swathes of our squad, and very expensively re-assemble it. Of course, if we are promoted it will have been worth it, but it seems like a real gamble at the moment.Let us sign some French talents - that should work.
We've just signed someone who scored 20 in 48 in the Championship for £15m, 12 months after signing for £2m from Ligue 2. I just don't see how 12 months in the Championship multiples his value sevenfold (or fivefold for that matter). It's not a substantial enough indicator of his quality. Last year's Ligue 2 top scorer joined Angers (now in Lifue 1) in the summer, and the second top scorer (who is a France U20 international) joined Bournemouth for £6m.
I would be comfortable with us spending big money on a signing that was virtually guaranteed to succeed, but this one doesn't feel that safe to me.
It is more of a gamble going for unproven at this level. The value of promotion is to much not to try go for proven championship players.
When this is all over can we do a poll!Do a poll on why Dave dislikes your poll on a Kodjia scoring 20 plus goals poll skillz.
About how happy with signings
Utility defender and a winger now please.Do you think Utility needs defending?
Only if utilised enough.Utility defender and a winger now please.Do you think Utility needs defending?
Utilise De La Cruz?Only if utilised enough.Utility defender and a winger now please.Do you think Utility needs defending?
I remember the days when if a player wanted an agent he payed him 10% out of his own money
Let us sign some French talents - that should work.I'm naturally cautious when it comes to transfers, and very much want to be proven wrong. I suppose the point I was trying to make is that this feels just as much as a gamble as last year's signings from France, As whilst he has one year in the Championship behind him, the fee is huge.
It is more of a gamble going for unproven at this level. The value of promotion is to much not to try go for proven championship players.
We are in a difficult position in that, as a Championship club, it is very hard to get PL players in their prime to drop down. The alternatives are Championship players where their clubs want over the odds for them (understandable as the players is possibly their star player) or look overseas. We seem to be going down the path of proven in English football and paying accordingly.I think that's a fair analysis. To me it's starting to feel a bit MON all over again. Hopefully Tshibola can turn into a Delph/ Young type signing value-wise. I suppose sustainable squad building is a luxury we can't afford at the moment as we have such a low starting point. A different owner/ manager might have tried to salvage something from the players we already had, but it was probably the right decision to cut our losses with those wasters - even in the Championship.
At what point does over-priced become the going rate?
At what point does over-priced become the going rate?the going rate is over-priced, but you've got to spend loads to stand still.
It doesn't seem that complicated to me. Kodjia and gestede compete for the 9 role. Everyone else as you were
Nothing wrong with being ambitious and trying to get out of this league. The rest are jealous of Villa & Newcastle.
Sorry, I agree that does present problems - or at least questions
I don't think the purchase of kodjia makes any difference there though
We did need another striker and now we've got one. I can't see what the problem is.
Alan Nixon reporting the adomah deal may still be on - Boro apparently interested in a swap for Adama
Alan Nixon reporting the adomah deal may still be on - Boro apparently interested in a swap for Adamadeal.
Alan Nixon reporting the adomah deal may still be on - Boro apparently interested in a swap for Adama
Well as much as I think Adama could be great, if he doesn't want to be here then this would be a good deal for us.
Incidentally who was it that kept complaining about it being a sell to buy policy earlier in the summer? It didn't make sense then and it sure as hell doesn't make sense now.
Incidentally who was it that kept complaining about it being a sell to buy policy earlier in the summer? It didn't make sense then and it sure as hell doesn't make sense now.
I think it was Toronto.
Incidentally who was it that kept complaining about it being a sell to buy policy earlier in the summer? It didn't make sense then and it sure as hell doesn't make sense now.
I think it was Toronto.
LOL I think you fancy me. Look how quick I came to your mind. I'm taken love I'm afraid but still appreciate the attention. Kisses
Incidentally who was it that kept complaining about it being a sell to buy policy earlier in the summer? It didn't make sense then and it sure as hell doesn't make sense now.
Dominic King @DominicKing_DM 6m minutes ago Manchester, England
Micah Richards could be on his way out of Aston Villa; in talks with West Ham over a move
https://twitter.com/DominicKing_DM?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Not that I'm for one second complaining about the potential loss of Richards, but it would leave us pretty short at the back. Would need AT LEAST one more defensive signing, who could play centrally. Perhaps somebody who's still available on a free like Mariappa or Distin...?!
If Richards is off we definitely need defensive cover.According to a French Journo we have agreed a deal to sign Ba from Lens (CH)
Alan Nixon reporting the adomah deal may still be on - Boro apparently interested in a swap for Adama
If Richards is off we definitely need defensive cover.
With Richards seemingly off to WHam, it's interesting that the last of the tossers that many would to see gone is still rooted in the club.
Surely someone, somewhere would like to take Agbonlahor?
The fact is we're on a single mission to get promoted this season. It's not a time to be cutting corners. We need to take advantage of the PL payment we got for last season and use those funds to do everything possible to achieve our goal. I've seen Bristol City fans value Kodjia at £8m so we may have overpaid at £11m but it's a calculated risk. RDM obviously wanted the player, he's now got him and we're looking more prepared for the rest of the season.
I don't care whether the signing of Kodjia means he scores 20 goals or makes another player fight harder to keep his place, providing we are successful. Right now nothing else matters. No one player will get us promoted but collectively adding competition to the squad will make us a better team. My guess is all will play their part during what will be a long and hard season.
We did need another striker and now we've got one. I can't see what the problem is.
Nor me. I'm baffled.
The previous owner didn't spend and we moaned.
Our new owner has brought proven championship quality and supporters are still moaning.
What do some people actually want!!??
If Richards is off we definitely need defensive cover.
For what, his salary? His shirt number? The man is a waste of space.
We did need another striker and now we've got one. I can't see what the problem is.
Nor me. I'm baffled.
The previous owner didn't spend and we moaned.
Our new owner has brought proven championship quality and supporters are still moaning.
What do some people actually want!!??
Some need a punch in the Fucking face
Everytime we sign a player there is a hell of a lot of moaning about our spending and how it isn't fair etc etc. Wednesday fans in particular like a whinge.
I have no idea if this is true, or who he is but:-
Edgar Dayday @EdgDayday 7m minutes ago
Exclusive: Aston Villa have agreed a deal to sign promising young defender Abdoul Ba from RC Lens. #AVFC
https://twitter.com/EdgDayday
Abdoul Ba - Mauritius international - 6ft 7😮
Everytime we sign a player there is a hell of a lot of moaning about our spending and how it isn't fair etc etc. Wednesday fans in particular like a whinge.
Bit like when we were in the Premier League and City, Chelsea etc were spending big and people moaned about their spending.
Whatever the deal is for him I hope we insist on a 50% sell on clause.
What is our total spend now. I've actually lost count. Must be past 50 now, or at least potentially with all the add ons.
We did need another striker and now we've got one. I can't see what the problem is.
Nor me. I'm baffled.
The previous owner didn't spend and we moaned.
Our new owner has brought proven championship quality and supporters are still moaning.
What do some people actually want!!??
Some need a punch in the Fucking face
On the one hand i'm glad we're rebuilding the team, but what we are spending is obscene for this level and i'm not going to be hypocritical about us spending more money than just about any other club in the division can ever dream of, having spent years moaning about Chelsea, Man City etc doing exactly the same thing.
We did need another striker and now we've got one. I can't see what the problem is.
Nor me. I'm baffled.
The previous owner didn't spend and we moaned.
Our new owner has brought proven championship quality and supporters are still moaning.
What do some people actually want!!??
Some need a punch in the Fucking face
Signing an unheard of French Centre-Back hours before the window closes? Is this Paddy Reilly's farewell gift to us...?!
On the one hand i'm glad we're rebuilding the team, but what we are spending is obscene for this level and i'm not going to be hypocritical about us spending more money than just about any other club in the division can ever dream of, having spent years moaning about Chelsea, Man City etc doing exactly the same thing.
On the one hand i'm glad we're rebuilding the team, but what we are spending is obscene for this level and i'm not going to be hypocritical about us spending more money than just about any other club in the division can ever dream of, having spent years moaning about Chelsea, Man City etc doing exactly the same thing.
Yep. The parachute payments are hugely unfair. I've tried to reason with myself that we're doing the Honorable thing and filtering the cash through to clubs like Bristol City and Fulham, rather than just pilfering their best players.
What is our total spend now. I've actually lost count. Must be past 50 now, or at least potentially with all the add ons.
By my reckoning, and not including add ons, we've spent £42.5m and sold £12.1m.
Oh this would make my summer!Dominic King @DominicKing_DM 6m minutes ago Manchester, England
Micah Richards could be on his way out of Aston Villa; in talks with West Ham over a move
https://twitter.com/DominicKing_DM?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Please, please, please, please, please let it be true.
On the one hand i'm glad we're rebuilding the team, but what we are spending is obscene for this level and i'm not going to be hypocritical about us spending more money than just about any other club in the division can ever dream of, having spent years moaning about Chelsea, Man City etc doing exactly the same thing.What is really obscene is we are spending all this money, close to £50m and I have not heard of any of these players.
What is our total spend now. I've actually lost count. Must be past 50 now, or at least potentially with all the add ons.
By my reckoning, and not including add ons, we've spent £42.5m and sold £12.1m.
Outs, Clark for 5, Gueye for 7.1 and Sinclair for 4? Crespo a nominal fee too.
On the one hand i'm glad we're rebuilding the team, but what we are spending is obscene for this level and i'm not going to be hypocritical about us spending more money than just about any other club in the division can ever dream of, having spent years moaning about Chelsea, Man City etc doing exactly the same thing.What is really obscene is we are spending all this money, close to £50m and I have not heard of any of these players.
What is our total spend now. I've actually lost count. Must be past 50 now, or at least potentially with all the add ons.
By my reckoning, and not including add ons, we've spent £42.5m and sold £12.1m.
Outs, Clark for 5, Gueye for 7.1 and Sinclair for 4? Crespo a nominal fee too.
What did Okore go for?
What is our total spend now. I've actually lost count. Must be past 50 now, or at least potentially with all the add ons.
By my reckoning, and not including add ons, we've spent £42.5m and sold £12.1m.
Outs, Clark for 5, Gueye for 7.1 and Sinclair for 4? Crespo a nominal fee too.
What did Okore go for?
On the one hand i'm glad we're rebuilding the team, but what we are spending is obscene for this level and i'm not going to be hypocritical about us spending more money than just about any other club in the division can ever dream of, having spent years moaning about Chelsea, Man City etc doing exactly the same thing.What is really obscene is we are spending all this money, close to £50m and I have not heard of any of these players.
You've not heard of McCormack or Jedinak?
Sounds like we've spent about £26m net so far then. Not bad as what's being made out. Not close to £50m at all.
I completely forgot about Sinclair, which is easily done. So approx £42.5m spent and approx £16.1m in plus Okore, which only seemed to be mentioned as "cut price"?
Well maybe those two...but I wouldn't recognise them if I bumped into them on the street. For a start everyone has a fuckoff great big beard nowOn the one hand i'm glad we're rebuilding the team, but what we are spending is obscene for this level and i'm not going to be hypocritical about us spending more money than just about any other club in the division can ever dream of, having spent years moaning about Chelsea, Man City etc doing exactly the same thing.What is really obscene is we are spending all this money, close to £50m and I have not heard of any of these players.
You've not heard of McCormack or Jedinak?
I'm actually astonished we've clawed back 16 million from our toss. And that could cross 20 when Traore goes. To be fair our net spend won't be too awful. You'd have hoped for around 20 mill. The Doc has certainly put his money where his mouth is. Yes we've overpaid but this is a world where Stones is 48 million.I completely forgot about Sinclair, which is easily done. So approx £42.5m spent and approx £16.1m in plus Okore, which only seemed to be mentioned as "cut price"?
It's wages as well. N'Zog, Lescott and Guzan off the bill would be very significant and would surely help in our recruitment.
Well maybe those two...but I wouldn't recognise them if I bumped into them on the street. For a start everyone has a fuckoff great big beard nowOn the one hand i'm glad we're rebuilding the team, but what we are spending is obscene for this level and i'm not going to be hypocritical about us spending more money than just about any other club in the division can ever dream of, having spent years moaning about Chelsea, Man City etc doing exactly the same thing.What is really obscene is we are spending all this money, close to £50m and I have not heard of any of these players.
You've not heard of McCormack or Jedinak?
Our wage bill must be in far better shape with the likes of Lescott, Zog, Clark, Richardson, Crespo, Bennett, Guzan, Gil, Sanchez, Veretout, Gueye, Sinclair and Okore, all gone. I bet Randy is pissing his pants.He must be scratching his head and wondering how we've got rid of so many of these players so easily (the out of contracts excluded). If we ship Gabby out Randy will shit out a shunnamite.
Or Chester.Well maybe those two...but I wouldn't recognise them if I bumped into them on the street. For a start everyone has a fuckoff great big beard nowOn the one hand i'm glad we're rebuilding the team, but what we are spending is obscene for this level and i'm not going to be hypocritical about us spending more money than just about any other club in the division can ever dream of, having spent years moaning about Chelsea, Man City etc doing exactly the same thing.What is really obscene is we are spending all this money, close to £50m and I have not heard of any of these players.
You've not heard of McCormack or Jedinak?
Nor De Laat or Elphick? You do follow football dont you?
Ok ok, maybe them as well!!On the one hand i'm glad we're rebuilding the team, but what we are spending is obscene for this level and i'm not going to be hypocritical about us spending more money than just about any other club in the division can ever dream of, having spent years moaning about Chelsea, Man City etc doing exactly the same thing.What is really obscene is we are spending all this money, close to £50m and I have not heard of any of these players.
You've not heard of McCormack or Jedinak?
Or Elphick? Or Chester?
Our wage bill must be in far better shape with the likes of Lescott, Zog, Clark, Richardson, Crespo, Bennett, Guzan, Gil, Sanchez, Veretout, Gueye, Sinclair and Okore, all gone. I bet Randy is pissing his pants.
Well maybe those two...but I wouldn't recognise them if I bumped into them on the street. For a start everyone has a fuckoff great big beard nowOn the one hand i'm glad we're rebuilding the team, but what we are spending is obscene for this level and i'm not going to be hypocritical about us spending more money than just about any other club in the division can ever dream of, having spent years moaning about Chelsea, Man City etc doing exactly the same thing.What is really obscene is we are spending all this money, close to £50m and I have not heard of any of these players.
You've not heard of McCormack or Jedinak?
Nor De Laat or Elphick? You do follow football dont you?
Well maybe those two...but I wouldn't recognise them if I bumped into them on the street. For a start everyone has a fuckoff great big beard nowOn the one hand i'm glad we're rebuilding the team, but what we are spending is obscene for this level and i'm not going to be hypocritical about us spending more money than just about any other club in the division can ever dream of, having spent years moaning about Chelsea, Man City etc doing exactly the same thing.What is really obscene is we are spending all this money, close to £50m and I have not heard of any of these players.
You've not heard of McCormack or Jedinak?
Nor De Laat or Elphick? You do follow football dont you?
At the start of this transfer window WM and the other Villa media haters were banging on about us being financially toxic by having 96 years of contracts on 'unwanted' players. Well it seems to me like the club have done nothing short of a fantastic job in getting rid of so much of the dross with some even getting us some money.If we get at least one more of Richards or Gabby out then we've had an absolute hum dinger of a window. The whole board deserves to be roundly fellated by Greek Goddesses.
Our wage bill must be in far better shape with the likes of Lescott, Zog, Clark, Richardson, Crespo, Bennett, Guzan, Gil, Sanchez, Veretout, Gueye, Sinclair and Okore, all gone. I bet Randy is pissing his pants.
Apart from Zog, we're probably paying more in wages now than when they were here as the relegation clauses will have been in play for pretty much all of them but will ave ad to pay the going rate for all the new signings. At least it looks like we're spending those wages better now.
Of our signings the only player I would recognise if he knocked on our door is Chester, I knew of Ross McCormack but had never seen him play, thought Jedinak was a central defender and if somebody asked me what Ritchie De Laet did for a living I'd guess he was a boxer.
Of our signings the only player I would recognise if he knocked on our door is Chester, I knew of Ross McCormack but had never seen him play, thought Jedinak was a central defender and if somebody asked me what Ritchie De Laet did for a living I'd guess he was a boxer.
Our wage bill must be in far better shape with the likes of Lescott, Zog, Clark, Richardson, Crespo, Bennett, Guzan, Gil, Sanchez, Veretout, Gueye, Sinclair and Okore, all gone. I bet Randy is pissing his pants.
Apart from Zog, we're probably paying more in wages now than when they were here as the relegation clauses will have been in play for pretty much all of them but will ave ad to pay the going rate for all the new signings. At least it looks like we're spending those wages better now.
I'm not convinced that they all would have had clauses mate, hence another reason for getting rid. I might be wrong though!
Of our signings the only player I would recognise if he knocked on our door is Chester, I knew of Ross McCormack but had never seen him play, thought Jedinak was a central defender and if somebody asked me what Ritchie De Laet did for a living I'd guess he was a boxer.
Wet Spam not interested in Richards apparently.
Wet Spam not interested in Richards apparently.
The reason we have been able to shift players out quickly this time around is because they have all taken a drop in wages because of relegation.
Showing the true colours of the modern day football mercenary, as soon as someone offers them more money, they fuck off to exotic places like Newcastle, Glasgow, Middlesbrough, Cardiff and Athens quicker than you can say Charles N'Zogbia.
It's simple, someone offers them more money and they're off.
I remember being surprised when Luke Young turned down a chance to move to Liverpool, until it came out he would of had to take a pay cut. Of course he came out with the usual bullshit about game time.
Think how much easier it would have been to get rid of N'Zogbia, Ireland etc' if we had been relegated
Money talks, loyalty walks, just ask Delph!
According to The Sun, Aston Villa's move for Hull City striker Abel Hernandez fell apart as he wanted £70,000-a-week in wages, rising to £100,000-a-week if the club won promotion to the Premier League.
It's simple, someone offers them more money and they're off.
Golini (Bunn, Steer)
Amavi (Cissokho)
Chester (Baker)
Elphick (Toner)
De Laet (Hutton, Richards )
Tshibola (Westwood, Lyden)
Jedinak (Gardner)
Ayew (Bacuna)
Grealish (Green)
McCormack (Traore)
Kodjia (Gestede, Kozak, Agbonlahor)
Still worried that we are one injury away from Gardner and Westwood.
Derby in for Adomah.
I assume we'd pay more.Presumably we'd also tell Boro that the Adama deal was off if Adomah goes elsewhere.
Slaven Bilic hoping to get Micah Richards at West Ham today. Season-long loan from Aston Villa, with view to permanent deal #whufc #avfc
Apparently the two deals are separate and not hinging on a swap deal, but as you say surely we'd have someone else lined up to replace Traore if Adomah went elsewhere.I assume we'd pay more.Presumably we'd also tell Boro that the Adama deal was off if Adomah goes elsewhere.
looking at things with a view to business today and using a rigid formation that I appreciate may change:
Golini (Bunn, Steer)
Amavi (Cissokho)
Chester (Baker)
Elphick (Toner)
De Laet (Hutton, Richards )
Tshibola (Westwood, Lyden)
Jedinak (Gardner)
Ayew (Bacuna)
Grealish (Green)
McCormack (Traore)
Kodjia (Gestede, Kozak, Agbonlahor)
We are pretty well covered and the squad doesnt look too fat. Its been well documented that Traore wants to leave and I dont think Richards will be happy as 4th choice CB/ 3rd choice RB so may leave. I dont think Agbonlahor is happy as 4 choice striker but dont think he will move as nobody wants him. The front 4 are all interchangeable depending on formation and opposition so no worries there until ACON.
If we get someone in like Adomah for Traore ill be pleased as although talented he has offered very little to the team but otherwise, I wont lose any sleep if we are done till January. Its all on RDM and SC now....
Derby in for Adomah.
If we cant rely on our reserve team players to step up to Championship level for a few games when required through the season, then I would suggest what is the point of keeping them?
If they are not good enough for the Championship football, they certainly wont survive in the Premier league.
For me there is no way back for Gabby / Richards / Hutton - get rid ASAP.
If we cant rely on our reserve team players to step up to Championship level for a few games when required through the season, then I would suggest what is the point of keeping them?
If they are not good enough for the Championship football, they certainly wont survive in the Premier league.
For me there is no way back for Gabby / Richards / Hutton - get rid ASAP.
Quite right. Comments by some do not reflect that we are playing in the Championship.
Also, as the saying goes, "attitude is everything". How much of bad attitude from some, affected others last season e.g. does Traore want out because of bad attitude of others players towards him (not saying that this is actually true but could be).
Derby have nipped in for the geezer from Middesboro, according to a few reports. So we keep Adama!
12:10
ADOMAH AT VILLA
Middlesbrough midfielder Albert Adomah is at Aston Villa’s training ground having a medical, according to Sky sources.
Reports that he is on his way to Derby County are inaccurate.
According to The Sun, Aston Villa's move for Hull City striker Abel Hernandez fell apart as he wanted £70,000-a-week in wages, rising to £100,000-a-week if the club won promotion to the Premier League.
He can jog on then. Part of the mess Hull find themselves in currently!
Well maybe those two...but I wouldn't recognise them if I bumped into them on the street. For a start everyone has a fuckoff great big beard nowOn the one hand i'm glad we're rebuilding the team, but what we are spending is obscene for this level and i'm not going to be hypocritical about us spending more money than just about any other club in the division can ever dream of, having spent years moaning about Chelsea, Man City etc doing exactly the same thing.What is really obscene is we are spending all this money, close to £50m and I have not heard of any of these players.
You've not heard of McCormack or Jedinak?
Nor De Laat or Elphick? You do follow football dont you?
I've had a season ticket at Villa for donkeys years, I'd never heard of Elphick till we were interested in signing him.
Derby have nipped in for the geezer from Middesboro, according to a few reports. So we keep Adama!
Not according to SkyQuote12:10
ADOMAH AT VILLA
Middlesbrough midfielder Albert Adomah is at Aston Villa’s training ground having a medical, according to Sky sources.
Reports that he is on his way to Derby County are inaccurate.
For all the money we have spent, I think the squad above is horribly light on depth for the remaining 41 league games. Toner has gone on loan ,rightly so for his development, so that leaves just Baker as our only centre back cover. Gardner, Lyden, Green, Kozak havent shown anything thus far this season or ever really that makes you think they are realistic first team options. Ideally Lyden, Green and RHM would go out on loan for a few months and come back to challenge for places with that experience in them.
Xia:
"Will announce the attacking midfielder very soon. @AVFCOfficial #UTV"
I'd like to see another central midfielder and a CB along with Adomah
I'd like to see another central midfielder and a CB along with Adomah
Me too, but I doubt much chance of it.
Tony has tweeted a photo of Adomah in Villa shirt
Tony has tweeted a photo of Adomah in Villa shirt
So we'll be looking at an attacking unit of:
Kodjia
Ayew McCormack Adomah
Our Tone gets excited doesn't he. So refreshing.
Tony has tweeted a photo of Adomah in Villa shirt
So we'll be looking at an attacking unit of:
Kodjia
Ayew McCormack Adomah
Seriously?
So Grealish is out of the above team?
So do we think that it will be worth watching Natalie or Hayley tonight on Sky Sports News, just in case we do any late business!!
Kodja
McCormack
Grealish Adomah
Jedinak Thisbola
Amavi Chester Elphick De Laet
Golini
Subs
Gestede
Bunn
Ayew
Baker
Westwood
RHM
Cissoku
Much stronger
So do we think that it will be worth watching Natalie or Hayley tonight on Sky Sports News, just in case we do any late business!!
It's always worth watching Natalie :)
Xia and RDM have amassed a most impressive squad with cover for most positions.Its a long season in the Championship and we will need everyone to pull their weight.
It's up to RDM and his staff to get results now.
So Grealish is out of the above team?
Grealish is injured as of last night.
He fell out of the transfer window apparently.
Grealish is injured as of last night.
He fell out of the transfer window apparently.
So Grealish is out of the above team?
Grealish is injured as of last night.
He fell out of the transfer window apparently.
Pane in the arse if he went there
Jack Wilshere has joined Corinthian Casualtiesthey are painting the treatment room, ready for his arrival.
I'm very pleased.
I just hope they all gel quickly and we start to get a run of wins going.
Thank you Doctor X
we are sorted attack wise
still think we are short in central midfield
I'm more than happy with our transfer dealings we did good.
I still think we need another central defender, a playmaker, an experienced keeper, a centre forward who won't be going to the afcon, a sports psychologist and a new statue of William mcgregor.
Hoping we can wrap this up today
I think we have the players to get us out of this division. They now need to win the games. That's the hard bit.
Wonder if any of the Premier League loving media will tell the truth about Wilshere-such a horrible comfort zone move to go to Bournemouth when he had the chance to show he has balls & experience something different with Milan or Roma. Player who has been given everything on a plate, worshipped by the media & achiever of nothing.
Hope Joe Hart does well, at least he will give it a go.
OUT.
Guzan
Clark
Lescott
Okore
Bennett
Richardson
Crespo
Sanchez
Gana
Veretout
N'zogbia
Traoré
Gil
Sinclair
Robinson
?Agbonlahor & Richards?
Aiden McGeady gathering steam on twitter?
Aiden McGeady gathering steam on twitter?
After all these years....
Central defence looks light to me. What happens if/when Elphick or Chester get injured or suspended?. No real experienced cover other than Baker. A concern.
Aiden McGeady gathering steam on twitter?
Aiden McGeady gathering steam on twitter?
Hopefully with Carlton Palmer, Benni McCarthy and David Speedie. They are the final pieces of our jigsaw.
I remember a lot of us feeling quite positive this time last year!
But yes, an active transfer window. Mixed feelings about the quality, but hopefully RDM has what he wanted and it's enough to get us promoted.
We'll go old skool....2-3-5Central defence looks light to me. What happens if/when Elphick or Chester get injured or suspended?. No real experienced cover other than Baker. A concern.
offense is the best defense.
If we can get past midnight without Ayew leaving, and him having the right attitude now on in, that will be the best businees of the window as I was convinced he'd be off. He's the best player in the division when on song.
Watch the bugger leave now....
Senderos to rangers..That was in Jan, after release to Grasshoppers?
We'll go old skool....2-3-5Central defence looks light to me. What happens if/when Elphick or Chester get injured or suspended?. No real experienced cover other than Baker. A concern.
offense is the best defense.
Hart to Torino and wilshire to Bournemouth....almost like the internationals aren't as good as they're often told
I know I am biased but I find it astonishing that Paddy Power are quoting us as 19/1 to win the league. (Norwich 4.5/1 and Barcodes 4/1).
So tempted to stick an each way on (top 3) before this we click into gear..(we must do soon surely).
I know I am biased but I find it astonishing that Paddy Power are quoting us as 19/1 to win the league. (Norwich 4.5/1 and Barcodes 4/1).
So tempted to stick an each way on (top 3) before this we click into gear..(we must do soon surely).
I know I am biased but I find it astonishing that Paddy Power are quoting us as 19/1 to win the league. (Norwich 4.5/1 and Barcodes 4/1).
So tempted to stick an each way on (top 3) before this we click into gear..(we must do soon surely).
12/1 with coral I got each way top 3
I don't think we're done..
We need a couple of wins to bind the squad together now.
These two.home games are massive. Forest in particular are on their arse after Burke left with Assombalonga et al massively unhappy about it.
Be nice to get a good win and then back that up against Brentford.
Yep we need to start winning games now. Dr Tony has put up the money when some doubted him and now it's up to the team to justify that heavy investment.It'll be tough to get these players gelling quickly, in unison with trying to eradicate that stench of defeatism that's come from the club for the last 4 years. Last season was just horrific. We've flushed a large proportion of those players away now but it's almost like the ground is stained, there's still a fog over the club that needs lifting. I'm kind of glad we've got a little break before the Forest game in order to work on the training ground and get the new boys properly integrated.
Crazy that a club like Leicester can now spend £27m on Slimani. They were a nothing club 5 years ago. Just shows how far Lerner dragged us down. I only wish Dr Xia had bought the club 2 or 3 years ago. At least we haven't had a boring window experienced under Lerner for too many years!
Our squad right now too, looks better than it has since Downing and Young buggered off for me and yet this is a squad well primed for the championship. I think that says a lot about the state of our squad between TSM1 and Sherwood/Garde. A couple of players dragged us over the line for 4 years. When they left we were fucked.Crazy that a club like Leicester can now spend £27m on Slimani. They were a nothing club 5 years ago. Just shows how far Lerner dragged us down. I only wish Dr Xia had bought the club 2 or 3 years ago. At least we haven't had a boring window experienced under Lerner for too many years!
You only have to compare the squads of Villa and Crystal Palace to see the difference between a prem club and one that's just been relegated
we've got to get back quickly or it will just get wider
We are still and injury away from struggling in the centre of defence and midfield. A loan in those 2 areas would have been ideal, but beyond that we are pretty well set.
Biggest spenders according to the BBC -
Us : £59m
Newcastle : £57m
Norwich : £10.5m
That's quite a jump from second to third.
Biggest spenders according to the BBC -
Us : £59m
Newcastle : £57m
Norwich : £10.5m
That's quite a jump from second to third.
Biggest spenders according to the BBC -
Us : £59m
Newcastle : £57m
Norwich : £10.5m
That's quite a jump from second to third.
Biggest spenders according to the BBC -
Us : £59m
Newcastle : £57m
Norwich : £10.5m
That's quite a jump from second to third.
Biggest spenders according to the BBC -
Us : £59m
Newcastle : £57m
Norwich : £10.5m
That's quite a jump from second to third.
No idea how they got those numbers. Assuming today was a swap, I think PWS's number yesterday was around £32.5m with ins and outs.
Biggest spenders according to the BBC -
Us : £59m
Newcastle : £57m
Norwich : £10.5m
That's quite a jump from second to third.
Biggest spenders according to the BBC -
Us : £59m
Newcastle : £57m
Norwich : £10.5m
That's quite a jump from second to third.
No idea how they got those numbers. Assuming today was a swap, I think PWS's number yesterday was around £32.5m with ins and outs.
If we can get past midnight without Ayew leaving, and him having the right attitude now on in, that will be the best businees of the window as I was convinced he'd be off. He's the best player in the division when on song.
Watch the bugger leave now....
Biggest spenders according to the BBC -
Us : £59m
Newcastle : £57m
Norwich : £10.5m
That's quite a jump from second to third.
And last I saw, Newcastle were in profit on transfers.
Biggest spenders according to the BBC -
Us : £59m
Newcastle : £57m
Norwich : £10.5m
That's quite a jump from second to third.
And last I saw, Newcastle were in profit on transfers.
Given we were discussing mccormack's position this article may be of interest. I did wonder why he wasn't getting picked for a very average Scotland squad
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37238192
If we can get past midnight without Ayew leaving, and him having the right attitude now on in, that will be the best businees of the window as I was convinced he'd be off. He's the best player in the division when on song.
Watch the bugger leave now....
Best player in the division? He isnt evern the best striker at the club
Given we were discussing mccormack's position this article may be of interest. I did wonder why he wasn't getting picked for a very average Scotland squad
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37238192
Arguably the best player in the championship for the last four years but Warnock doesn't know where to play him? Says a lot more about Neil than it does about Ross.
Given we were discussing mccormack's position this article may be of interest. I did wonder why he wasn't getting picked for a very average Scotland squad
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37238192
So the only role I could give him really was in the hole like a number 10 behind the striker.
More than once I reckon if we get our confidence up.This
Don't know if it's been posted before but I think Keith Wyness deserves a lot of credit not only in doing the work to get the players in but especially in getting rid of certain individuals.
At some point this season we are going to whip someone 6-0 and I can't bloody wait.
We're done, Tony says so on Twitter.
Still think we are light in central midfield.
Dr. Tony Xia
@Dr_TonyXia
We're done this window. Nothing can be perfect as we tried2 more. But we achieved our early plan!Great work by the whole new team! #UTV
1:58 pm - 31 Aug 2016
I keep on doing so, but we shouldn't forget about Lyden.Still think we are light in central midfield.
totally
we are sorted attacking wise but centrally in midfield we have tshibola, jedi, pointy and gardner
David Luiz and jack Wilshire pass at the airport.........
(https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14212767_10154517094848593_4885802700752223274_n.jpg?oh=02cedf3bf61ac895cda0a0f3e45e1c22&oe=584C81FB)
Biggest spenders according to the BBC -
Us : £59m
Newcastle : £57m
Norwich : £10.5m
That's quite a jump from second to third.
No idea how they got those numbers. Assuming today was a swap, I think PWS's number yesterday was around £32.5m with ins and outs.
Add the fees received from Gana, Clark, Sinclair to PWS's net figure from yesterday and today's £7m approx for Adomah and you're pretty much at their figure.
I'm not sure how safe it is to assume that today was a swap either.
Biggest spenders according to the BBC -
Us : £59m
Newcastle : £57m
Norwich : £10.5m
That's quite a jump from second to third.
No idea how they got those numbers. Assuming today was a swap, I think PWS's number yesterday was around £32.5m with ins and outs.
Add the fees received from Gana, Clark, Sinclair to PWS's net figure from yesterday and today's £7m approx for Adomah and you're pretty much at their figure.
I'm not sure how safe it is to assume that today was a swap either.
If I recall correctly, PWS's figures included sales, so even assuming we paid £7m today for Adomah and gave away Adama (which I seriously doubt), that's still only an additional £7m, still £20m short the BBC number
Given we were discussing mccormack's position this article may be of interest. I did wonder why he wasn't getting picked for a very average Scotland squadI'm glad he isn't getting picked for Scotland. No chance of him getting injured. Want him fit and hungry for us.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37238192
Biggest spenders according to the BBC -
Us : £59m
Newcastle : £57m
Norwich : £10.5m
That's quite a jump from second to third.
No idea how they got those numbers. Assuming today was a swap, I think PWS's number yesterday was around £32.5m with ins and outs.
Add the fees received from Gana, Clark, Sinclair to PWS's net figure from yesterday and today's £7m approx for Adomah and you're pretty much at their figure.
I'm not sure how safe it is to assume that today was a swap either.
If I recall correctly, PWS's figures included sales, so even assuming we paid £7m today for Adomah and gave away Adama (which I seriously doubt), that's still only an additional £7m, still £20m short the BBC number
That's the point - PWS's figures are net, the BBC are just going on fees paid.
So £3m for Elphick, £4m for Gollini, £7m for Chester, £4m for Jedinak, £12m for McCormack, £6m for Adomah, £5m for Tshibola, £11m for Kodjia and £6m for De Last comes in at around £60m.
Biggest spenders according to the BBC -
Us : £59m
Newcastle : £57m
Norwich : £10.5m
That's quite a jump from second to third.
No idea how they got those numbers. Assuming today was a swap, I think PWS's number yesterday was around £32.5m with ins and outs.
Add the fees received from Gana, Clark, Sinclair to PWS's net figure from yesterday and today's £7m approx for Adomah and you're pretty much at their figure.
I'm not sure how safe it is to assume that today was a swap either.
If I recall correctly, PWS's figures included sales, so even assuming we paid £7m today for Adomah and gave away Adama (which I seriously doubt), that's still only an additional £7m, still £20m short the BBC number
That's the point - PWS's figures are net, the BBC are just going on fees paid.
So £3m for Elphick, £4m for Gollini, £7m for Chester, £4m for Jedinak, £12m for McCormack, £6m for Adomah, £5m for Tshibola, £11m for Kodjia and £6m for De Last comes in at around £60m.
http://www.transfermarkt.com/aston-villa/transfers/verein/405/saison_id/2016
Biggest spenders according to the BBC -Well it may look like 57M on paper but in reality we have spent about only exactly 2M net and that's just not acceptable. It's as if Lerner never went away. Massive let down for me and another window wasted.
Us : £59m
Newcastle : £57m
Norwich : £10.5m
That's quite a jump from second to third.
De Laet was no way £6m.
I wish I could get one for one Euro to the Pound, Dave.
De Laet comes in at around £60m.OMG 60M for a right back...now we are talking. Just forget everything I said above. I like Tone.
over for another few months, what to do with Richards and AgbonlahorSurely we need gardening staff at BMH? And someone to rearrange the cones.
De Laet was no way £6m.
£2m according to the Meaning Evil, E&S and Leicester Mercury. £2.5m according to The Sun.
over for another few months, what to do with Richards and Agbonlahor
De Laet was no way £6m.
£2m according to the Meaning Evil, E&S and Leicester Mercury. £2.5m according to The Sun.
So £54m then. Considering some places reported Elphick as £4m rather than £3m, Chester as £8m rather than £7m and Tshibola as £6m rather than £5m, we're still a fair bit closer to the £59m than the thirty something figure aren't we?
De Laet was no way £6m.
£2m according to the Meaning Evil, E&S and Leicester Mercury. £2.5m according to The Sun.
So £54m then. Considering some places reported Elphick as £4m rather than £3m, Chester as £8m rather than £7m and Tshibola as £6m rather than £5m, we're still a fair bit closer to the £59m than the thirty something figure aren't we?
Dave, once again, I was referring to the net value. Still, we've spent more than anybody else this window, on that we can agree.
What ever we spent Dr x promised 30-40m and he delivered already said on twitter that he will cover ACN absences with loans in Jan. Can't fault him at the moment.Yeh yeh but he's spent next to nothing net.
Taking the accountants view on player amortisation (cost of player spread out over length of contract), let's say we spent £60m, with players on 4 year contracts, it can be read as £15m a year.
All clubs seem to pay on instalments now, so it isn't really £60m in one lump.
Small change in the PL, which is why we are spending.
I'm no accountant but that is my understanding.
We need to get promotion in the either this or next season otherwise, I think that we could go into financial meltdownand what evidence do you have to support that?
Attendances will drop like a stone if we are still in the Championship in 2 seasons time, Financial Fair Play rules will kick in, Sponsorships will decrease in value etc.....
Salaries for the new players will still be based as they are now, which will be unsustainable in the Championship
We need to get promotion in the either this or next season otherwise, I think that we could go into financial meltdownand what evidence do you have to support that?
just read that Marseille made and failed with a last gasp £11m bid for Ayew. Turned down by the good Doctor as no time to land a replacement.
So SkySports jizzfest continues, over the window they have stated we have spent more than both CL finalists and would be 9th highest spenders in the PL (if we were still there). The Championship spent more than Ligue 1 in France.
Interesting huh?
Would have been madness to sell him. He doesn't have to smile, just play well. He has always worked hard and he could be vital for us this season.just read that Marseille made and failed with a last gasp £11m bid for Ayew. Turned down by the good Doctor as no time to land a replacement.
i would have taken the money
we have kodija, adomah, gestede, grealish, mcormack, kozak (coughs)
i think we will see plenty of sulks in the near future
So SkySports jizzfest continues, over the window they have stated we have spent more than both CL finalists and would be 9th highest spenders in the PL (if we were still there). The Championship spent more than Ligue 1 in France.
Interesting huh?
just read that Marseille made and failed with a last gasp £11m bid for Ayew. Turned down by the good Doctor as no time to land a replacement.
Would have been madness to sell him. He doesn't have to smile, just play well. He has always worked hard and he could be vital for us this season.just read that Marseille made and failed with a last gasp £11m bid for Ayew. Turned down by the good Doctor as no time to land a replacement.
i would have taken the money
we have kodija, adomah, gestede, grealish, mcormack, kozak (coughs)
i think we will see plenty of sulks in the near future
I'm unconvinced by Ayew. Bought as a forward 12 months ago and Villa have never won when he has scored. I know we haven't won many when he hasn't scored, but we don't need forwards with that kind of record. He wouldn't make my starting 11 at the moment based on this alone never mind his temperament and sulks.
Would have been madness to sell him. He doesn't have to smile, just play well. He has always worked hard and he could be vital for us this season.just read that Marseille made and failed with a last gasp £11m bid for Ayew. Turned down by the good Doctor as no time to land a replacement.
i would have taken the money
we have kodija, adomah, gestede, grealish, mcormack, kozak (coughs)
i think we will see plenty of sulks in the near future
Any idea on the wage structure.. I haven't seen any of the personal terms on the new players.
Would have been madness to sell him. He doesn't have to smile, just play well. He has always worked hard and he could be vital for us this season.just read that Marseille made and failed with a last gasp £11m bid for Ayew. Turned down by the good Doctor as no time to land a replacement.
i would have taken the money
we have kodija, adomah, gestede, grealish, mcormack, kozak (coughs)
i think we will see plenty of sulks in the near future
play well like he did at bristol then sulked?
Would have been madness to sell him. He doesn't have to smile, just play well. He has always worked hard and he could be vital for us this season.just read that Marseille made and failed with a last gasp £11m bid for Ayew. Turned down by the good Doctor as no time to land a replacement.
i would have taken the money
we have kodija, adomah, gestede, grealish, mcormack, kozak (coughs)
i think we will see plenty of sulks in the near future
play well like he did at bristol then sulked?
So one average game outweighs a season of being our best player by a country mile (yes, yes no competition last year but even so) and mostly decent games so far this season? OK, so his finishing has been off, but his general play is still very good. But fuck it, he doesn't smile so shoot him.Would have been madness to sell him. He doesn't have to smile, just play well. He has always worked hard and he could be vital for us this season.just read that Marseille made and failed with a last gasp £11m bid for Ayew. Turned down by the good Doctor as no time to land a replacement.
i would have taken the money
we have kodija, adomah, gestede, grealish, mcormack, kozak (coughs)
i think we will see plenty of sulks in the near future
play well like he did at bristol then sulked?
So one average game outweighs a season of being our best player by a country mile (yes, yes no competition last year but even so) and mostly decent games so far this season? OK, so his finishing has been off, but his general play is still very good. But fuck it, he doesn't smile so shoot him.Would have been madness to sell him. He doesn't have to smile, just play well. He has always worked hard and he could be vital for us this season.just read that Marseille made and failed with a last gasp £11m bid for Ayew. Turned down by the good Doctor as no time to land a replacement.
i would have taken the money
we have kodija, adomah, gestede, grealish, mcormack, kozak (coughs)
i think we will see plenty of sulks in the near future
play well like he did at bristol then sulked?
So one average game outweighs a season of being our best player by a country mile (yes, yes no competition last year but even so) and mostly decent games so far this season? OK, so his finishing has been off, but his general play is still very good. But fuck it, he doesn't smile so shoot him.Would have been madness to sell him. He doesn't have to smile, just play well. He has always worked hard and he could be vital for us this season.just read that Marseille made and failed with a last gasp £11m bid for Ayew. Turned down by the good Doctor as no time to land a replacement.
i would have taken the money
we have kodija, adomah, gestede, grealish, mcormack, kozak (coughs)
i think we will see plenty of sulks in the near future
play well like he did at bristol then sulked?
Chris, you are fundamentally missing the salient points of most people's reservations regarding Ayew.
Would have been madness to sell him. He doesn't have to smile, just play well. He has always worked hard and he could be vital for us this season.just read that Marseille made and failed with a last gasp £11m bid for Ayew. Turned down by the good Doctor as no time to land a replacement.
i would have taken the money
we have kodija, adomah, gestede, grealish, mcormack, kozak (coughs)
i think we will see plenty of sulks in the near future
play well like he did at bristol then sulked?
So one average game outweighs a season of being our best player by a country mile (yes, yes no competition last year but even so) and mostly decent games so far this season? OK, so his finishing has been off, but his general play is still very good. But fuck it, he doesn't smile so shoot him.Would have been madness to sell him. He doesn't have to smile, just play well. He has always worked hard and he could be vital for us this season.just read that Marseille made and failed with a last gasp £11m bid for Ayew. Turned down by the good Doctor as no time to land a replacement.
i would have taken the money
we have kodija, adomah, gestede, grealish, mcormack, kozak (coughs)
i think we will see plenty of sulks in the near future
play well like he did at bristol then sulked?
Chris, you are fundamentally missing the salient points of most people's reservations regarding Ayew.
I am too. What are the reservations?
I'm unconvinced by Ayew. Bought as a forward 12 months ago and Villa have never won when he has scored. I know we haven't won many when he hasn't scored, but we don't need forwards with that kind of record. He wouldn't make my starting 11 at the moment based on this alone never mind his temperament and sulks.
Any idea on the wage structure.. I haven't seen any of the personal terms on the new players.
It's always baffled me why people need to know such things. Those that do, can I ask why?
I have read quite a bit about Ayew not celebrating the goal at Bristol. He didn't run across to the other side if the are but from what I saw, he walked across and shook players' hands. He always looks as though he is carrying the world on his shoulders. That's the way he is.
I have read quite a bit about Ayew not celebrating the goal at Bristol. He didn't run across to the other side if the are but from what I saw, he walked across and shook players' hands. He always looks as though he is carrying the world on his shoulders. That's the way he is.
Alternatively, play with a smile regardless and you're a gurning fuckwit who should be strung up by your bollocks until they fall off and make a new line in jewellery for the mob in B9.
So one average game outweighs a season of being our best player by a country mile (yes, yes no competition last year but even so) and mostly decent games so far this season? OK, so his finishing has been off, but his general play is still very good. But fuck it, he doesn't smile so shoot him.Would have been madness to sell him. He doesn't have to smile, just play well. He has always worked hard and he could be vital for us this season.just read that Marseille made and failed with a last gasp £11m bid for Ayew. Turned down by the good Doctor as no time to land a replacement.
i would have taken the money
we have kodija, adomah, gestede, grealish, mcormack, kozak (coughs)
i think we will see plenty of sulks in the near future
play well like he did at bristol then sulked?
Chris, you are fundamentally missing the salient points of most people's reservations regarding Ayew.
I am too. What are the reservations?
I have read quite a bit about Ayew not celebrating the goal at Bristol. He didn't run across to the other side if the are but from what I saw, he walked across and shook players' hands. He always looks as though he is carrying the world on his shoulders. That's the way he is.
Alternatively, play with a smile regardless and you're a gurning fuckwit who should be strung up by your bollocks until they fall off and make a new line in jewellery for the mob in B9.
Quite. Maybe Ayew realised that we would probably need more than one goal to win.
So one average game outweighs a season of being our best player by a country mile (yes, yes no competition last year but even so) and mostly decent games so far this season? OK, so his finishing has been off, but his general play is still very good. But fuck it, he doesn't smile so shoot him.Would have been madness to sell him. He doesn't have to smile, just play well. He has always worked hard and he could be vital for us this season.just read that Marseille made and failed with a last gasp £11m bid for Ayew. Turned down by the good Doctor as no time to land a replacement.
i would have taken the money
we have kodija, adomah, gestede, grealish, mcormack, kozak (coughs)
i think we will see plenty of sulks in the near future
play well like he did at bristol then sulked?
Chris, you are fundamentally missing the salient points of most people's reservations regarding Ayew.
I am too. What are the reservations?
This has been covered on previous threads. Everyone recognises Ayew's talent but I amongst others are concerned his mecurial, hard to quantify style isn't as productive as it should be. To suggest this is a knee jerk reaction to one poor performance is churlish. I will remain sceptical until Ayew proves me wrong. I think the tributes are extravagant. Let me know when his end product matches the eulogies.
I agree that Ayew looks like a big,sulking baby.
But, there is no doubt that he is probably the most talented player at the club now.
Let's hope that he knuckles down and applies himself, and plays with some joy, now that he knows he is going nowhere....for 3 or 4 months at least.
I didn't say he's IS a big sulking baby though, did I ?I agree that Ayew looks like a big,sulking baby.
But, there is no doubt that he is probably the most talented player at the club now.
Let's hope that he knuckles down and applies himself, and plays with some joy, now that he knows he is going nowhere....for 3 or 4 months at least.
Looking like he's not happy is one thing.
How does that translate to him being a big sulking baby that needs to knuckle down?
From what I've seen, he was one of the few last season who consistently looked like he knew that what was going on wasn't good enough and put in something approaching the requisite effort last season to be to hold his head up come the end of last May.
He didn't run 30 yards to join in a goal celebration on Saturday and he constantly looks like he's chewing a box of wasps and suddenly he's problem no 3 after Agbonlahor and Richards, so in reality problem no 1?
So one average game outweighs a season of being our best player by a country mile (yes, yes no competition last year but even so) and mostly decent games so far this season? OK, so his finishing has been off, but his general play is still very good. But fuck it, he doesn't smile so shoot him.Would have been madness to sell him. He doesn't have to smile, just play well. He has always worked hard and he could be vital for us this season.just read that Marseille made and failed with a last gasp £11m bid for Ayew. Turned down by the good Doctor as no time to land a replacement.
i would have taken the money
we have kodija, adomah, gestede, grealish, mcormack, kozak (coughs)
i think we will see plenty of sulks in the near future
play well like he did at bristol then sulked?
Marseille were prepared to pay £11 million before the deadline for a not very good player. Wish we could get £11 million apiece for some of our other not-very-good players.
The main problem with Ayew is quite simple.
He's not very good.
He's obviously a decent footballer but like i said a few days back, he can be so bloody frustrating to watch.
The main problem with Ayew is quite simple.
He's not very good.
It'll be interesting how the characters react to the competition and also how RDM chooses to rotate the them.
It'll be interesting how the characters react to the competition and also how RDM chooses to rotate the them.
I think most of the time he'll put Morrison on lead vocals, but occasionally alternate between him and Kenny McDowell. Everyone can have a go on the drums.
Morrison will probably react by going solo again.
It'll be interesting how the characters react to the competition and also how RDM chooses to rotate the them.
I think most of the time he'll put Morrison on lead vocals, but occasionally alternate between him and Kenny McDowell. Everyone can have a go on the drums.
Morrison will probably react by going solo again.
Morrison will show pretenders (I appreciate this may send this thread off on to a list of Pretenders songs now) like Ayew how to sulk and look really look pissed off.
F**K you Percy!
I had to read that about ten times before I spotted the mistake and even then had to google Them to check they were a band.
The main problem with Ayew is quite simple.
He's not very good.
The main problem with your post is quite simple.
It's not very good.
The main problem with Ayew is quite simple.
He's not very good.
The main problem with your post is quite simple.
It's not very good.
Filed for future reference.
Flamini is available on a free. It's a no brainer for me.Indeed, someone tell the Doc on Twitter!
The main problem with Ayew is quite simple.
He's not very good.
The main problem with your post is quite simple.
It's not very good.
Filed for future reference.
Flamini is available on a free. It's a no brainer for me.
Apart from ol' Flammy are there any other freebies worth a shout?
Apart from ol' Flammy are there any other freebies worth a shout?schwarzer, meireles, anichebe, hoillet
It's slightly perturbing that you make valid case for the inclusion in our squad for players nobody seems to want over players we currently employ.
Would feel far better with Flamini or Merieles coming on as first change instead of Westwood.
Westwood might be fine coming on for the last few minutes of a game we are bossing, just to play keep ball.
But injuries and suspensions will occur, and I reckon if he starts 15-20 games for us this season, we don't even make the play-offs. The same weaknesses he had in the top flight are evident in the Championship. The drop down doesn't make him look better.
Bendtner for all his faults would be a better back up option than Gestede an'all. But would that lot come on back-up wages? Doubtful.
If Schwarzer can still stand up, I'd have him over Gollini.
Flamini? I can't understand why no one has picked him up yet.
Apart from ol' Flammy are there any other freebies worth a shout?schwarzer, meireles, anichebe, hoillethe
Schwarzer is in his mid forties, so I can only imagine him being picked up as emergency cover.
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/10561244/free-agents-xi-emmanuel-adebayor-nicklas-bendtner-mathieu-flamini
Flamini? I can't understand why no one has picked him up yet.
Apart from ol' Flammy are there any other freebies worth a shout?
I thought I saw a link to Meireles just after RDM came in. Can't see that happening anyway.
There was a time when Hoilett was very highly rated. But then the past is a foreign country, isn't it?
First two names on my shopping list would be Peter Crouch and Ross McCormack.
Jedinak from Palace still worth a look
Doh! I really should have learned to read by now.
Doh! I really should have learned to read by now.
Doh! I really should have learned to read by now.Doh! I really should have learned to read by now.
Poor Des, always a bit embarrassing handing a trophy back.
Not even silver either, De laet was mentioned on page three.
Doh! I really should have learned to read by now.Doh! I really should have learned to read by now.
Poor Des, always a bit embarrassing handing a trophy back.
Not even silver either, De laet was mentioned on page three.
You know how to ruin a weekend don't you? I'd had it engraved and everything. Bastards!
Can I just say, N'Zogbia- Karma. Tosser
Can I just say, N'Zogbia- Karma. Tosser
Why, what's he done?
Jedinak from Palace still worth a look
Page 1. Bugger.
4th post, although in fairness I must have said Jedinak about 50 times since last summer so I gave myself a fair chance. Almost as bad as that bloke was with Beckford or Altidore.
Best ever suggestion was Jason Scotland. At this point it was years past his brief Premier League stint too and he must have been about 33 when the legend that is Villakicks suggested him with total sincerity.4th post, although in fairness I must have said Jedinak about 50 times since last summer so I gave myself a fair chance. Almost as bad as that bloke was with Beckford or Altidore.
And Jay Spearing, don't forget Jay!
Someone on here caught a bit of a Leicester game on TV and suggested Steve Howard (the old shite Derby striker) as a centre-half to replace the injured Laursen. Not realising he was a striker, just that he was heading it a lot.That's going to be hard to beat as far as godawful suggestions go.
I was suggesting Lescott for years, so give my future recommendations the grace and goodwill they deserve.
I was suggesting Lescott for years, so give my future recommendations the grace and goodwill they deserve.
I was suggesting Lescott for years, so give my future recommendations the grace and goodwill they deserve.
Depends how many years in advance you were suggesting it. He'd have been an excellent signing in about 2003.
I remember saying to mates when we signed Lescott: 'easily our best centre half'.
I remember saying to mates when we signed Lescott: 'easily our best centre half'.
He was,but fuck me that's damming with faint praise., which might explain why we were fucked from the start last season.
I know it's the Mail, but tell me it ain't so....
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/transfer-rumour-aston-villa-running-11875501
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Damn. Our bad luck I guess. How can we compete with the likes of Leicester City and FC København?I know it's the Mail, but tell me it ain't so....
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/transfer-rumour-aston-villa-running-11875501
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Unfortunately there will be one or two champions league clubs in for him too.
There was interest from Juventus you know.
We are lacking numbers in midfield. If his wages were okay it would be fine by me, if he was as good as when he left. I'm concerned that he doesn't seem to have set the World alight over in MLS but maybe some of our North American posters could confirm how well he has played?
We are lacking numbers in midfield. If his wages were okay it would be fine by me, if he was as good as when he left. I'm concerned that he doesn't seem to have set the World alight over in MLS but maybe some of our North American posters could confirm how well he has played?
just spoke to my uncle Bob in Canada as he watched the MLS quite abit and he said "I have watched him play over here ,master of the five yard pass backwards ,
No chance !"
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can you imagine if we ever fielded a midfield of Westwood, Gardner, Bacuna and NRC
fuck me you'd have to watch the match with a cushion covering your face
can you imagine if we ever fielded a midfield of Westwood, Gardner, Bacuna and NRC
fuck me you'd have to watch the match with a cushion covering your face
Might be a coincidence but he is at The Belfry tonight
If we're looking at out of contract midfielders surely Osman is the one
If we're looking at out of contract midfielders surely Osman is the one
If we're looking at out of contract midfielders surely Osman is the one
My preference would be Flamini. Has he gone anywhere?
May I offer that NRC would have done more to take out that run on Sat than we attempted too? Hes very, very limited, but we are light there and a 6 month deal to Jan might help if Tshibola is so injury prone.
If we're looking at out of contract midfielders surely Osman is the one
Got to agree. He is 35 but a one year deal to add a bit of experience, especially in situations like being 2-1 up and needing to see the game out.
he was never good enough, for us, or anyone else; just a bullshit sandwich.
he was never good enough, for us, or anyone else; just a bullshit sandwich.
Agree, I rember being down there and shouting good tackle followed by oh..as he gave it away, it's a no from me bob
"Youngy''...has to be the crappest nickname ever.
he was never good enough, for us, or anyone else; just a bullshit sandwich.
Agree, I rember being down there and shouting good tackle followed by oh..as he gave it away, it's a no from me bob
I know his shooting was woeful but for the sake of some balance, I remember him having a blinder at Anfield when we beat them in a midweek game. I thought he was great that night.
NRC is no different to Gana imo....Gana is a much better player.
That said I'm going the version that played for us which was over 6 years ago now.
Since then he went to Bolton, got relegated, went to Ipswich where he made little impact and then has gone to MLS where he hasn't done much so I'd say he's well past his best now imo.
NRC is no different to Gana imo....Gana is a much better player.
That said I'm going the version that played for us which was over 6 years ago now.
Since then he went to Bolton, got relegated, went to Ipswich where he made little impact and then has gone to MLS where he hasn't done much so I'd say he's well past his best now imo.
NRC is no different to Gana imo....Gana is a much better player.
That said I'm going the version that played for us which was over 6 years ago now.
Since then he went to Bolton, got relegated, went to Ipswich where he made little impact and then has gone to MLS where he hasn't done much so I'd say he's well past his best now imo.
Like comparing Camembert to mouse trap
NRC is no different to Gana imo....Gana is a much better player.
That said I'm going the version that played for us which was over 6 years ago now.
Since then he went to Bolton, got relegated, went to Ipswich where he made little impact and then has gone to MLS where he hasn't done much so I'd say he's well past his best now imo.
Like comparing Camembert to mouse trap
Finally we're more of less rid of Gabby out the team and now Reo Coker's coming back.
I feel for you mate.
I know it's the Mail, but tell me it ain't so....
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/transfer-rumour-aston-villa-running-11875501
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Unfortunately there will be one or two champions league clubs in for him too.
He was young when we bought him, like ''Youngy''.
NRC this is how I remember him...2.14 in to the video....well you probably might want to watch from the start ;)
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Still think midfield is a problem. I would be looking to test Derby's resolve in January and bid for Will Hughes.