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Title: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on March 01, 2016, 11:53:57 PM: So, which players do you think we should go for? Does anyone know any Championship players? Alan Judge from Brentford seems to score a few from midfield so I'll offer him up as a potential signing. I don't want to fill up with Championship players but a few would be needed.

Dave - title edited as it may as well become that thread.
Title: Re: Championship Players
Post by: adrenachrome on March 02, 2016, 12:05:56 AM: I wud get Baker back as beards R in and I wud by any players with bushy beards from enywere as long as they dont ware gluvs.

I wud get Peersun an all too put an oastreach up there arse.
Title: Re: Championship Players
Post by: brontebilly on March 02, 2016, 12:22:02 AM: Chris Forrester at Peterborough really impressed me against West Brom

Tough, good athlete and a fine player on the ball in midfield.
Title: Re: Championship Players
Post by: ozzjim on March 02, 2016, 01:05:47 AM: Alan Judge would be my first target.

Second would be someone like Callum Wilson from Bournemouth. On the back of the injury, I think they would loan him out for a season as they will almost certainly buy again and Afobe is proving himself.

Wilson and Gestede up front, Judge, Westwood/ Veretout (will be fine in that league), Gana and Grealish in midfield and a new back 4 please. And keeper.

I was disappointed we did not take a punt of the defender Burnley got from Brentford, Polish name I can't spell. Amavi will stay I guess. Hutton has a year left at right back so I doubt we are going to shed him. So 2 big, no nonsense, hard centre halves and a goalkeeper. Jedinak from Palace still worth a look. 2-3 experienced pros with the right attitude and a will to win. Look at what Barton has done for Burnley along with Gray. Clough from Bolton is worth getting as a squad player. We need 3-4 forward options to supplement Gestede. I would sell all our centre halves on apart from Baker who knows the division. Bring Gardner back. And Robinson as a pacey outlet option.

Daniel Johnson would be a good signing too. In fact Simon Grayson would not be the worst shout as manager.

Get rid of Richards, Lescott, Gabby, NZog, Bacuna, Guzan, Bunn, Cissokho, Ayew (for money), Clark, Okore (12 months left and will want out), Sanchez, Sinclair
Title: Re: Championship Players
Post by: CJ on March 02, 2016, 10:47:07 AM: First shout for me would be to get Gardner back from Forest - playing well for them and obviously knows the division and how to play in it.
Title: Re: Championship Players
Post by: aj2k77 on March 02, 2016, 10:51:35 AM: Bradley Dack from some first division club I forget the name of, looks a good little creative player, sell Gil.
Title: Re: Championship Players
Post by: RussellC on March 02, 2016, 11:20:25 AM: Zac Clough from Bolton looks a great prospect and is reportedly already a target.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on March 02, 2016, 12:23:06 PM: problem is that the precursor to this is to be able to divest around a dozen of the shittiest 'football' players ever to have put on a pair of boots
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Chris Jameson on March 02, 2016, 12:24:07 PM: Jay Spearing, Emile Heskey, Shola Ameobi, Peter Whittingham, Curtis Davies.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: pbavfckuwait on March 02, 2016, 12:25:02 PM: We will end up with Pugh, Bo, Barney Mcgrew, Cuthbert, Dibble and Dub. Oh sorry that's who we already have.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: dave shelley on March 02, 2016, 12:59:43 PM: I got to see Alan Judge twice within a couple of days last week, v Derby and Wolves. He scored a good goal against Derby and was a very busy player with a bit of pace.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on March 02, 2016, 01:04:44 PM: Finally the Benni McCarthy era begins
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: badminton on March 02, 2016, 01:08:24 PM: Quote from: dave shelley on March 02, 2016, 12:59:43 PM
I got to see Alan Judge twice within a couple of days last week, v Derby and Wolves. He scored a good goal against Derby and was a very busy player with a bit of pace.
I've seen him play several times at Brentford this season. Quality player, perhaps the best in the Championship this season. If he does leave Brentford in the summer I think it will be to play Premier League football.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: preston28 on March 02, 2016, 01:32:59 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on March 02, 2016, 01:05:47 AM
Alan Judge would be my first target.

Second would be someone like Callum Wilson from Bournemouth. On the back of the injury, I think they would loan him out for a season as they will almost certainly buy again and Afobe is proving himself.

Wilson and Gestede up front, Judge, Westwood/ Veretout (will be fine in that league), Gana and Grealish in midfield and a new back 4 please. And keeper.

I was disappointed we did not take a punt of the defender Burnley got from Brentford, Polish name I can't spell. Amavi will stay I guess. Hutton has a year left at right back so I doubt we are going to shed him. So 2 big, no nonsense, hard centre halves and a goalkeeper. Jedinak from Palace still worth a look. 2-3 experienced pros with the right attitude and a will to win. Look at what Barton has done for Burnley along with Gray. Clough from Bolton is worth getting as a squad player. We need 3-4 forward options to supplement Gestede. I would sell all our centre halves on apart from Baker who knows the division. Bring Gardner back. And Robinson as a pacey outlet option.

Daniel Johnson would be a good signing too. In fact Simon Grayson would not be the worst shout as manager.

Get rid of Richards, Lescott, Gabby, NZog, Bacuna, Guzan, Bunn, Cissokho, Ayew (for money), Clark, Okore (12 months left and will want out), Sanchez, Sinclair

Grayson would be a great shout if/ when Garde resigns! hes doing really well up here on a limited budget and crap training facilities.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on March 02, 2016, 01:42:04 PM: When West Ham went down, the signing of Kevin Nolan was inspired. They spent the necessary money to tempt him to drop down a division to get them back up at the first attempt.

We need to do the same; a spine of experienced players who'd be able to hit the ground running in the championship would allow us to add a sprinkling of more skilful players around them. My ideal choices would be:

James Collins
Charlie Adam
Jonathan Walters
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Mister E on March 02, 2016, 01:49:11 PM: Quote from: Chris Jameson on March 02, 2016, 12:24:07 PM
Jay Spearing, Emile Heskey, Shola Ameobi, Peter Whittingham, Curtis Davies.
Hee, hee
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: godzvilla on March 03, 2016, 12:30:25 PM: BRITT ASOMBALONGA who plays for Forest , he averaged 1 goal every 2 games in the 2014-15 Championship season and played alongside Antonio, now doing so well at W.Ham. He´s now back in training , having missed all of this season due to injury
HENRI LANSBURY , formerly of Arsenal and now also with Forest but another one who´s been out with injury , is ( IMHO ) worth a look , he´s physically ideal for the Championship, scores & creates goals from midfield , previously he had a really good partnership going, with Gary Gardner .........Godzvilla!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Witton Warrior on March 03, 2016, 12:50:25 PM: Quote from: preston28 on March 02, 2016, 01:32:59 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on March 02, 2016, 01:05:47 AM
In fact Simon Grayson would not be the worst shout as manager.

Grayson would be a great shout if/ when Garde resigns! hes doing really well up here on a limited budget and crap training facilities.

I've waited for Grayson to become our manager since MoN left
It's in the stars I tell you...
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on March 03, 2016, 12:58:12 PM: I actually think he would be a pretty decent appointment for us, especially if he could bring Daniel Johnson back and get him scoring from midfield for us.

The job is made for someone to come and become a bit of a hero
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on March 03, 2016, 01:07:41 PM: Just get Altidore in and promotion will take care of itself.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Bottom Right 89 on March 03, 2016, 01:17:34 PM: Is it time to recall Agent Ridgewell from special ops? In fact a couple more from the class of 2002 wouldn't be a bad shout, Whittingham and Steven Davis. I'd also consider getting Darren Bent back to partner Gestede or Ayew up front.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on March 03, 2016, 01:22:08 PM: One player who I thought looked good for Liverpool before he got himself injured was Danny Ings. Whether he'd drop a division or struggle after his long lay off, I don't know but one to maybe consider.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Rudy65 on March 03, 2016, 01:52:16 PM: Quote from: Clampy on March 03, 2016, 01:22:08 PM
One player who I thought looked good for Liverpool before he got himself injured was Danny Ings. Whether he'd drop a division or struggle after his long lay off, I don't know but one to maybe consider.

good shout

Klopp wont fancy him
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on March 03, 2016, 01:56:18 PM: Quote from: Chris Jameson on March 02, 2016, 12:24:07 PM
Jay Spearing, Emile Heskey, Shola Ameobi, Peter Whittingham, Curtis Davies.

Let the good times roll!!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: in exile on March 03, 2016, 02:19:11 PM: Nahki Wells of Huddersfield
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on March 03, 2016, 02:59:21 PM: Quote from: in exile on March 03, 2016, 02:19:11 PM
Nahki Wells of Huddersfield

Not a bad shout. We are definitely going to need a striker with a bit of pace next season and he is the level of player we'll be looking at. Someone like Dwight Gayle or Patrick Bamford would also be decent in the Championship.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on March 03, 2016, 03:05:49 PM: John Terry will be available.A proper centre half and captain.Got at least one good season left in him.Lescott could work well with Terry by his side.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on March 03, 2016, 04:20:03 PM: I think I'm going to cry.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on March 03, 2016, 04:23:24 PM: Quote from: Ron Manager on March 03, 2016, 03:05:49 PM
John Terry will be available.A proper c**t...., Lescott couldn't work well with Paulo Maldini by his side.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on March 03, 2016, 04:33:43 PM: I think if we can fill the gaps in the side below then we should be fine next season:

?

? Okore ? Amavi

Veretout ?

Sinclair / Traore Grealish Ayew

?

Pace out wide and up front will hurt teams in the Championship.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on March 03, 2016, 04:36:55 PM: I think it might be easier to just stick with 11 question marks at this stage
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on March 03, 2016, 04:39:26 PM: Not sure what's more fucked up, the layout of your post or Grealish and Sinclairs name on it :-)
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on March 03, 2016, 06:20:22 PM: Januzaj on loan? Max Gradel, Leroy Fer, willo flood, Pritchard on loan, boruc, de laet, baines, judge, some big fuck off stopper centre half, anyone good who'll come.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cheltenhamlion on March 03, 2016, 06:30:48 PM: Quote from: Marlon From Bearwood on March 02, 2016, 01:42:04 PM
When West Ham went down, the signing of Kevin Nolan was inspired. They spent the necessary money to tempt him to drop down a division to get them back up at the first attempt.

We need to do the same; a spine of experienced players who'd be able to hit the ground running in the championship would allow us to add a sprinkling of more skilful players around them. My ideal choices would be:

James Collins
Charlie Adam
Jonathan Walters

Yep. Don't necessarily think I would pick the same players but that is what I think.

You can change the players as you like, like a game of football on the playground, but the thought holds true.

For my 2 penneth (and it requires some cash):

Hangeland
Barry/Gardner
Gayle/Murray
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on March 03, 2016, 06:34:46 PM: Hangeland's on his last legs isn't he? Pace and power, we lack both, get em in.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sickbeggar on March 03, 2016, 06:46:16 PM: Would base it on the youngish players. baker, clark, gardner grealish mebbe. All should cope with the championship. See who goes from the foreign contingent. Sell gill, traore if we get a bite. Probably an older premiership head with a bit of steal in midfield, like wise central defence if none of them find their balls in the summer. Striker replacement for ayew if he goes or someone to compete with gestade. rest of them have to take their chances and prove they want to be part of it. hutton probably would, rest of them i'm not so sure about. Bacuna buried somewhere and those with knowledge of the location disposed of so the world can sleep easy.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: markeeeebeeee2005 on March 03, 2016, 07:15:14 PM: Quote from: Chris Jameson on March 02, 2016, 12:24:07 PM
Jay Spearing, Emile Heskey, Shola Ameobi, Peter Whittingham, Curtis Davies.

Carlton Palmer?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: villabear on March 03, 2016, 08:05:26 PM: Marshall of Cardiff in goal would be a good buy. Always looked decent whenever I've seen him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Richard E on March 03, 2016, 08:10:57 PM: Quote from: villabear on March 03, 2016, 08:05:26 PM
Marshall of Cardiff in goal would be a good buy. Always looked decent whenever I've seen him.

He had a great game against us at their place.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on March 03, 2016, 08:16:32 PM: Quote from: villabear on March 03, 2016, 08:05:26 PM
Marshall of Cardiff in goal would be a good buy. Always looked decent whenever I've seen him.

I think they were rumoured to be asking £10m for him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Chris Jameson on March 03, 2016, 08:37:11 PM: Quote from: markeeeebeeee2005 on March 03, 2016, 07:15:14 PM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on March 02, 2016, 12:24:07 PM
Jay Spearing, Emile Heskey, Shola Ameobi, Peter Whittingham, Curtis Davies.

Carlton Palmer?

Steve Bull and all those players called Jordan that we didn't sign in the summer.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Stirchley Villain on March 03, 2016, 08:41:05 PM: Quote from: aj2k77 on March 03, 2016, 08:16:32 PM
Quote from: villabear on March 03, 2016, 08:05:26 PM
Marshall of Cardiff in goal would be a good buy. Always looked decent whenever I've seen him.

I think they were rumoured to be asking £10m for him.

Well we can forget that then.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ldavfc4eva on March 03, 2016, 08:51:53 PM: If Hull don't go up I wouldn't say no to Dawson,Huddlestone and Diame.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ian. on March 03, 2016, 09:04:43 PM: All these suggestions and I realise I have not heard of anyone. My knowledge outside of Villa Park has never been great at the best of times but this season with the drop looming it's going to be even worse.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: villabear on March 03, 2016, 09:25:24 PM: Quote from: Ian J on March 03, 2016, 09:04:43 PM
My knowledge outside of Villa Park has never been great at the best of times

You, Reilly and Almstadt.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Pete3206 on March 03, 2016, 09:39:51 PM: Did we have buy back clause on Jordan Bowery?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Bad English on March 03, 2016, 09:48:37 PM: Quote from: Marlon From Bearwood on March 02, 2016, 01:42:04 PM
"They spent the necessary money to tempt...

We need to do the same"

I see a flaw in your plan.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: WarszaVillan on March 03, 2016, 09:55:33 PM: Sims, Lilis and David Hunt
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Pete3206 on March 03, 2016, 10:03:11 PM: Quote from: WarszaVillan82 on March 03, 2016, 09:55:33 PM
Sims, Lilis and David Hunt

Is Lillis still knocking about at Huddersfield?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Walmley_Villa on March 03, 2016, 10:05:07 PM: Most Championship teams have a British spine and predominantly British squad which buggers up our recruitment policy. Another reason I see Garde going as he won't have a clue on players to get us competitive in that division.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Hoppo on March 03, 2016, 10:08:03 PM: I put it on another thread. Alan Judge Brentford midfielder, rated one of the best in Championship.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SheffieldVillain on March 03, 2016, 10:25:33 PM: Quote from: Walmley_Villa on March 03, 2016, 10:05:07 PM
Most Championship teams have a British spine and predominantly British squad which buggers up our recruitment policy. Another reason I see Garde going as he won't have a clue on players to get us competitive in that division.

Karanka and Carvalhal seem to have managed okay as did the Watford manager who got them promoted last year. Why should Garde have less of a clue?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Hoppo on March 04, 2016, 06:30:21 AM: Garde hasn't got a clue on how to manage them in this division. The question is why would he have a clue in The Championship?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on March 04, 2016, 10:02:53 AM: Quote from: ozzjim on March 03, 2016, 12:58:12 PM
I actually think he would be a pretty decent appointment for us, especially if he could bring Daniel Johnson back and get him scoring from midfield for us.

The job is made for someone to come and become a bit of a hero

I live in Preston, and my in-laws are all PNE fans, they really rate Grayson. Wouldn't be an exciting choice, but I reckon he would be a solid enough choice. Can't do any worse than Garde, who I am rapidly losing faith in.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Risso on March 04, 2016, 10:22:54 AM: There's a lad who plays for Huddersfield called Joe Lolley who used to be a regular on Villatalk. It's going to be fairly surreal for him next season lining up against us I bet. Anyway, let's buy him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Pete on March 04, 2016, 11:10:52 AM: Quote from: Pete3206 on March 03, 2016, 10:03:11 PM
Quote from: WarszaVillan82 on March 03, 2016, 09:55:33 PM
Sims, Lilis and David Hunt

Is Lillis still knocking about at Huddersfield?

He is - Academy Manager. He's also their regular caretaker manager, he's had about five stints at it.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: go on the dog on March 04, 2016, 11:15:06 AM: We should be looking at players like Ben Marshall, Adam Clayton, Zach Clough and Grant Hanley, British talent who know the league
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Pete on March 04, 2016, 11:21:59 AM: Quote from: Risso on March 04, 2016, 10:22:54 AM
There's a lad who plays for Huddersfield called Joe Lolley who used to be a regular on Villatalk. It's going to be fairly surreal for him next season lining up against us I bet. Anyway, let's buy him.

I don't know much about him. Jonathan Hogg plays here too, he unfortunately did his ligaments recently. And Jed Steer's doing pretty well, I was talking to a Town lad the other night and the fans would like to see him stay permanently. It might be worth us giving him a go, he seems comfortable at that level.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 04, 2016, 11:48:40 AM: Quote from: SheffieldVillain on March 03, 2016, 10:25:33 PM
Quote from: Walmley_Villa on March 03, 2016, 10:05:07 PM
Most Championship teams have a British spine and predominantly British squad which buggers up our recruitment policy. Another reason I see Garde going as he won't have a clue on players to get us competitive in that division.

Karanka and Carvalhal seem to have managed okay as did the Watford manager who got them promoted last year. Why should Garde have less of a clue?

Karanka's been mentioned a few times, looks like Boro are bottling promotion again this year but what I would say on that....Boro had been down for 5 years when he was appointed so other managers like Mowbray had to do the dirty work of unloading the squad full of high earners and get it settled in the division.

I compare us more to teams like Blackburn, Bolton and Fulham all of whom are poorly run and were long time fixtures in the premier league, none of them have challenged for promotion since relegation and all three look more likely to go out the division the other way.

Premier league football is all any of us 30 or under have ever know and it will be the same for many at the club so it will be a massive culture shock for all of us and will take some time to get used to things.

Can't say I'm expecting promotino straight away, there is too much chaos around the club. It needs to be sold for a start.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SheffieldVillain on March 04, 2016, 12:02:25 PM: Quote from: SoccerHQ on March 04, 2016, 11:48:40 AM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on March 03, 2016, 10:25:33 PM
Quote from: Walmley_Villa on March 03, 2016, 10:05:07 PM
Most Championship teams have a British spine and predominantly British squad which buggers up our recruitment policy. Another reason I see Garde going as he won't have a clue on players to get us competitive in that division.

Karanka and Carvalhal seem to have managed okay as did the Watford manager who got them promoted last year. Why should Garde have less of a clue?

Karanka's been mentioned a few times, looks like Boro are bottling promotion again this year but what I would say on that....Boro had been down for 5 years when he was appointed so other managers like Mowbray had to do the dirty work of unloading the squad full of high earners and get it settled in the division.

I compare us more to teams like Blackburn, Bolton and Fulham all of whom are poorly run and were long time fixtures in the premier league, none of them have challenged for promotion since relegation and all three look more likely to go out the division the other way.

Premier league football is all any of us 30 or under have ever know and it will be the same for many at the club so it will be a massive culture shock for all of us and will take some time to get used to things.

Can't say I'm expecting promotino straight away, there is too much chaos around the club. It needs to be sold for a start.

Or put another way - managers who 'know the English market' such as Strachan and Mowbray at Boro, and Gray, Jones and Megson at Wednesday failed miserably. Whereas two foreign managers who never even played over here have been very successful.

I'm not saying that Garde is automatically the right man but to me 'he's foreign therefore can't be a success in the Championship' is a daft stereotype.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Rigadon on March 04, 2016, 12:24:51 PM: I'm not saying that Garde is automatically the right man but to me 'he's foreign therefore can't be a success in the Championship' is a daft stereotype.
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He very clearly is not the right man for us. The last 4 months have proved that much.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 04, 2016, 12:29:40 PM: I'm not saying he's not without his faults but by that statement you've essentially dismissed the utter gong show that he's had to contend with; on the pitch, off the pitch, in the boardroom, in the media and via social media. I don't think that's fair.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Rigadon on March 04, 2016, 12:48:46 PM: Quote from: Toronto Villa on March 04, 2016, 12:29:40 PM
I'm not saying he's not without his faults but by that statement you've essentially dismissed the utter gong show that he's had to contend with; on the pitch, off the pitch, in the boardroom, in the media and via social media. I don't think that's fair.

Oh, he is surrounded by chaos and nobody would've been completely immune from it. We'll never know for sure what an Allardyce or Pearson might've achieved, but they couldn't have done any worse.

My point is that the evidence (our league position etc) suggests he isn't the man to sort this rabble of a squad out. Being harsh, I'd say that he hasn't dealt with the joke of a board either - a stronger manager would've made damn sure we signed some players in the first week in January.

He is nowhere near the biggest culprit, but (at least in my opinion) the wrong guy at the worst time possible.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on March 04, 2016, 01:00:27 PM: There isn't a manager capable of sorting this particular squad out, with the mentality that it is post-November and make the competitive in the Premier League.

No goal scorer, a nervous keeper, a defence lacking in confidence and easily panicked, a midfield who offers scant protection and creates fewer chances and worst still, score no goals; its a disaster and would be for anybody.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on March 04, 2016, 01:05:36 PM: Quote from: Pete on March 04, 2016, 11:21:59 AM
Quote from: Risso on March 04, 2016, 10:22:54 AM
There's a lad who plays for Huddersfield called Joe Lolley who used to be a regular on Villatalk. It's going to be fairly surreal for him next season lining up against us I bet. Anyway, let's buy him.

I don't know much about him. Jonathan Hogg plays here too, he unfortunately did his ligaments recently. And Jed Steer's doing pretty well, I was talking to a Town lad the other night and the fans would like to see him stay permanently. It might be worth us giving him a go, he seems comfortable at that level.

No disrespect to Huddersfield, but we don't want players who are comfortable bobbing around mid table in the Championship. We want players who are too good for that league and can hold their own when we hopefully go back up. It's the same with the likes of Baker. Just because he has played a season in a relegation threatened Bristol City side doesn't mean he is going to be what we need next season.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on March 04, 2016, 01:06:43 PM: This is why its ultimately important for us to hold onto most of our players, with a few exceptions.

For example, Sinclair. He's probably not a Premier League player, or if he is, its a squad role in a be
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: villabear on March 04, 2016, 03:51:05 PM: Quote from: Ads on March 04, 2016, 01:06:43 PM
This is why its ultimately important for us to hold onto most of our players, with a few exceptions.

For example, Sinclair. He's probably not a Premier League player, or if he is, its a squad role in a be

Was in the lower North on Tuesday night when Sinclair was warming up with Gestede. As he started talking to him he put his hand over his mouth so no one could see what he was saying. Who the f**k do these players think they are? Like we're interested what he's saying. Do your talking on the pitch. Hand over the mouth. FFS
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on March 04, 2016, 05:41:57 PM: ... to finish (sorry for tailing off) I think he could cause Championship defences problems and it's not worth replacing the likes of him.down there, as it would leave us rebuilding the first XI and the squad again.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on March 04, 2016, 07:19:31 PM: Quote from: Ads on March 04, 2016, 05:41:57 PM
... to finish (sorry for tailing off) I think he could cause Championship defences problems and it's not worth replacing the likes of him.down there, as it would leave us rebuilding the first XI and the squad again.

I agree Ads and as bad as we've been this season, I think adding a few of the right type of players and more importantly, characters, would bring out the best in others.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Legion on March 04, 2016, 07:25:43 PM: It's bloody March.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Rudy65 on March 04, 2016, 07:29:47 PM: Quote from: ldavfc4eva on March 03, 2016, 08:51:53 PM
If Hull don't go up I wouldn't say no to Dawson,Huddlestone and Diame.

And Brucie as our new manager
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 04, 2016, 08:17:49 PM: Quote from: SheffieldVillain on March 04, 2016, 12:02:25 PM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on March 04, 2016, 11:48:40 AM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on March 03, 2016, 10:25:33 PM
Quote from: Walmley_Villa on March 03, 2016, 10:05:07 PM
Most Championship teams have a British spine and predominantly British squad which buggers up our recruitment policy. Another reason I see Garde going as he won't have a clue on players to get us competitive in that division.

Karanka and Carvalhal seem to have managed okay as did the Watford manager who got them promoted last year. Why should Garde have less of a clue?

Karanka's been mentioned a few times, looks like Boro are bottling promotion again this year but what I would say on that....Boro had been down for 5 years when he was appointed so other managers like Mowbray had to do the dirty work of unloading the squad full of high earners and get it settled in the division.

I compare us more to teams like Blackburn, Bolton and Fulham all of whom are poorly run and were long time fixtures in the premier league, none of them have challenged for promotion since relegation and all three look more likely to go out the division the other way.

Premier league football is all any of us 30 or under have ever know and it will be the same for many at the club so it will be a massive culture shock for all of us and will take some time to get used to things.

Can't say I'm expecting promotino straight away, there is too much chaos around the club. It needs to be sold for a start.

Or put another way - managers who 'know the English market' such as Strachan and Mowbray at Boro, and Gray, Jones and Megson at Wednesday failed miserably. Whereas two foreign managers who never even played over here have been very successful.

I'm not saying that Garde is automatically the right man but to me 'he's foreign therefore can't be a success in the Championship' is a daft stereotype.

Stuart Gray did a very good job at Wednesday stabilising things and getting them into mid table even if they were very boring to watch, so he got them stabilised.

Caravhal has done very well in fairness but that's the key to me, the clubs are stable which gives the foreign manager the chance to bring a few in from abroad and get the team playing the way he wants, Watford are similar as they can get in good players from Granada and Udinese.

No way are we even close to being stable, we are a basket case club I'm afraid, similar to when Cardiff were relegated and OGS only lasted a couple of months down there didn't he?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 04, 2016, 08:22:25 PM: Quote from: Ads on March 04, 2016, 05:41:57 PM
... to finish (sorry for tailing off) I think he could cause Championship defences problems and it's not worth replacing the likes of him.down there, as it would leave us rebuilding the first XI and the squad again.

Sinclair would be one of the first I'd get rid of Ads (it's a very long list in fairness!) I know he had a good season fo Swansea down there but that was 6 years ago....Man. City move made him for life, he married a wag, he's accomplised all he wants in football imo which you can see from his half-arsed performances and general attitude he has this season.

What is his motivation to going back to slogging it out away to Huddersfield and Rotherham in midweek.

Pace is key down there as most defences down there are pretty slow, you see that when teams come up, Derby have Warnock as a regular in their back 4. I'd try to keep Adama and I think Amavi will stay until January due to his injury. I too think Grealish will do well down there if he can sort his head out and start acting professionally.

Get in a decent striker, have Gestede as an option off the bench and we at least have some forward options that can hurt teams.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: OzVilla on March 04, 2016, 08:25:24 PM: Quote from: Ads on March 04, 2016, 01:00:27 PM
There isn't a manager capable of sorting this particular squad out, with the mentality that it is post-November and make the competitive in the Premier League.

No goal scorer, a nervous keeper, a defence lacking in confidence and easily panicked, a midfield who offers scant protection and creates fewer chances and worst still, score no goals; its a disaster and would be for anybody.

Seconded, our current level of shiteness is quite astonishing. Particularly as we've had 25 years in he PL.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on March 04, 2016, 08:28:58 PM: The only one to have excelled in complete madness at both Newcastle and Blues is Hughton.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on March 04, 2016, 08:31:29 PM: Quote from: SoccerHQ on March 04, 2016, 08:22:25 PM
Quote from: Ads on March 04, 2016, 05:41:57 PM
... to finish (sorry for tailing off) I think he could cause Championship defences problems and it's not worth replacing the likes of him.down there, as it would leave us rebuilding the first XI and the squad again.

Sinclair would be one of the first I'd get rid of Ads (it's a very long list in fairness!) I know he had a good season fo Swansea down there but that was 6 years ago....Man. City move made him for life, he married a wag, he's accomplised all he wants in football imo which you can see from his half-arsed performances and general attitude he has this season.

What is his motivation to going back to slogging it out away to Huddersfield and Rotherham in midweek.

Pace is key down there as most defences down there are pretty slow, you see that when teams come up, Derby have Warnock as a regular in their back 4. I'd try to keep Adama and I think Amavi will stay until January due to his injury. I too think Grealish will do well down there if he can sort his head out and start acting professionally.

Get in a decent striker, have Gestede as an option off the bench and we at least have some forward options that can hurt teams.

I think lack of pace has hurt us this season badly. Adama will be gone though on his wages for certain. We need someone like Callum Wilson off Gestede and 2 wide players with pace to break at speed.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on March 04, 2016, 09:27:38 PM: Quote from: SoccerHQ on March 04, 2016, 08:22:25 PM
Sinclair would be one of the first I'd get rid of Ads (it's a very long list in fairness!) I know he had a good season fo Swansea down there but that was 6 years ago....Man. City move made him for life, he married a wag

He married a wife and a girlfriend?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: TB on March 04, 2016, 10:21:50 PM: Quote from: Dave on March 04, 2016, 09:27:38 PM

He married a wife and a girlfriend?

Poor guy. Two mother-in-laws...
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on March 05, 2016, 10:03:54 AM: Quote from: ozzjim on March 04, 2016, 08:31:29 PM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on March 04, 2016, 08:22:25 PM
Quote from: Ads on March 04, 2016, 05:41:57 PM
... to finish (sorry for tailing off) I think he could cause Championship defences problems and it's not worth replacing the likes of him.down there, as it would leave us rebuilding the first XI and the squad again.

Sinclair would be one of the first I'd get rid of Ads (it's a very long list in fairness!) I know he had a good season fo Swansea down there but that was 6 years ago....Man. City move made him for life, he married a wag, he's accomplised all he wants in football imo which you can see from his half-arsed performances and general attitude he has this season.

What is his motivation to going back to slogging it out away to Huddersfield and Rotherham in midweek.

Pace is key down there as most defences down there are pretty slow, you see that when teams come up, Derby have Warnock as a regular in their back 4. I'd try to keep Adama and I think Amavi will stay until January due to his injury. I too think Grealish will do well down there if he can sort his head out and start acting professionally.

Get in a decent striker, have Gestede as an option off the bench and we at least have some forward options that can hurt teams.

I think lack of pace has hurt us this season badly. Adama will be gone though on his wages for certain. We need someone like Callum Wilson off Gestede and 2 wide players with pace to break at speed.

I agree about the lack of pace. There is a distinct lack of it in our attacking unit and I would hope that would change next season. I would personally go 4-2-3-1 next season, with a strong physical midfielder brought in alongside Veretout or Gana, play Ayew, Traore or Sinclair wide and Grealish in behind a quick striker with Gestede on the bench to come on in the latter stages.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: barrysleftfoot on March 05, 2016, 12:33:13 PM: I'd go for Roofe from Oxford for definate.No goals or threat from midfield needs to be rectified immediately.I don't want to see Gabby, Richards or Westwood in a Villa shirt again, and not bothered about Kozak, Lescott, Bacuna,Clark or Guzan either.

Can't believe we never went for Afobe tbh, 4 goals in 7 games.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on March 05, 2016, 12:59:34 PM: Quote from: Dave on March 04, 2016, 09:27:38 PM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on March 04, 2016, 08:22:25 PM
Sinclair would be one of the first I'd get rid of Ads (it's a very long list in fairness!) I know he had a good season fo Swansea down there but that was 6 years ago....Man. City move made him for life, he married a wag

He married a wife and a girlfriend?

Its called multitasking Dave. A modern term I believe.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on March 05, 2016, 01:52:57 PM: Quote from: barrysleftfoot on March 05, 2016, 12:33:13 PM

I'd go for Roofe from Oxford for definate.No goals or threat from midfield needs to be rectified immediately.I don't want to see Gabby, Richards or Westwood in a Villa shirt again, and not bothered about Kozak, Lescott, Bacuna,Clark or Guzan either.

Can't believe we never went for Afobe tbh, 4 goals in 7 games.

Should have gone for Afobe last summer. Our attacking options are pretty awful beyond Ayew. I think Veretout will become a very capable player, but the lack of movement ahead of him limits options.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on March 05, 2016, 09:33:45 PM: We won't know what will happens as we don't know these things.

1. Who will be the owner or will there be a takeover ?
2. Who is the manager ?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Des Little on March 09, 2016, 11:39:54 AM: Reports saying Veretout may be off to AC Mila
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on March 09, 2016, 12:07:59 PM: and Gana's off too
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on March 09, 2016, 01:03:23 PM: Quote from: Des Little on March 09, 2016, 11:39:54 AM
Reports saying Veretout may be off to AC Mila

Just read that, I'd hope we'd get our money back rather than what was in the article.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: FranzBiberkopf on March 09, 2016, 01:22:17 PM: Quote
Reports saying Veretout may be off to AC Mila

Just read that, I'd hope we'd get our money back rather than what was in the article.

We'll do well to get half back what we spent on them over the summer (Ayew, Veretout, Gana). Which is why we absolutely should keep them. They have flaws, but we shouldn't "give" then away.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on March 09, 2016, 01:43:28 PM: Aren't the relegation clauses two-way, we can reduce their wages but they can leave?

I'd think those three are the players most likely to hold their value, I wouldn't call them bright spots but, at times, they have been noticably less shite than the rest of them.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: gpbarr on March 09, 2016, 01:50:01 PM: Only 1 way - complete clear out.

The players we'd want to retain will be the ones picked off by others - and who can blame them.

The players no one wants are the players happy to sit round and do bugger all to collect their wages - need to be told they are finished at the club regardless.

Promote the young academy players, with two/three astute core signings - consolidate in Championship, and then slowly build a squad good enough to get promoted and stay up.

Any attempt to panic, hire a has been, and rush back with the same unstable playing foundations we will just create an even bigger mess
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on March 09, 2016, 02:21:12 PM: A championship club is not going to get the £25m or whatever it was we paid for Gana, Veretout and Ayew, closer to £15m.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: David_Nab on March 09, 2016, 02:21:23 PM: B/ham Mail saying Ayew / Veretout / Gana all out the door , Traore could also go

So basically unlike say Burnley/Hull who kept nucleolus of squad and are challenging to come back up we will have to rebuild most of the squad no doubt on the cheap and likely a new manager ...
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on March 09, 2016, 02:28:02 PM: And probably with the shittest players and trouble like Gabby, Bacuna. Guzan
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on March 09, 2016, 02:30:07 PM: Gana will fetch 6-7m, Ayew 8-9, and Veretout probably about 6, but hopefully we can keep the latter as I think he is worth keeping and building a midfield behind. Gana is a god player, reads the game well but looks shot at times. If Grabban is 7m, we should be holding out for 10 for Ayew!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 09, 2016, 02:33:56 PM: Quote from: mr underhill on March 09, 2016, 12:07:59 PM
and Gana's off too

He was on about playing in the champions league when he first joined us. Not the first or last player to say that so yeah I can imagine he won't be wanting to drop down to the second division on ego alone.

Him and Veretout will go back to French clubs I'd imagine as their performances and reputations are better recieved over there.

Might only be loan deals though....bit like Newcastle signing Florain Thuvain, him flopping and then them loaning him back to Marseille 6 months later.

Think they'll be premier league interest in Ayew, he's shown enough.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on March 09, 2016, 02:34:26 PM: Quote from: David_Nab on March 09, 2016, 02:21:23 PM
B/ham Mail saying Ayew / Veretout / Gana all out the door , Traore could also go

So basically unlike say Burnley/Hull who kept nucleolus of squad and are challenging to come back up we will have to rebuild most of the squad no doubt on the cheap and likely a new manager ...

Will be gutted if that is the case as those are players I hoped we would build the team around. Next season could be worse than this one.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 09, 2016, 02:37:49 PM: Ayew's the only one I'd keep as he can certainly be a match winner down there but would imagine he'll want away and won't be short of better offers.

Gana and Veretout looked o.k just above xmas but have both regressed again, we just can't get central midfield right can we, year in year out it's the worst area of the team.

Personally I'd get Gary Gardner back, make him a regular, sign someone experienced at championship level and then play Grealish ahead of them.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on March 09, 2016, 02:40:31 PM: The centre mids we keep signing are bits and pieces players. No speed, no real physicality, not good at getting up and down, no height there.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Des Little on March 09, 2016, 02:41:05 PM: Well our 'better' players were always going to go, surely this is no surprise. Neither should be the fact that getting rid of the under performing wastrels will prove to be considerably more difficult.

Personally, I'd happily get rid of the whole lot and start again.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 09, 2016, 02:49:15 PM: Quote from: aj2k77 on March 09, 2016, 02:40:31 PM
The centre mids we keep signing are bits and pieces players. No speed, no real physicality, not good at getting up and down, no height there.

Yes it's been awful since Milner left and Petrov's demise.

Here is a list of all the midfielders we've had since 2010....looks woeful apart from a couple of players. And yet it's such a key area of the team where matches are regularly won and lost:

Reo-Coker
Sidwell
Chris Herd
Johnathon Hogg
Barry Bannan
Gary Gardner
Ashley Westwood
D@lph
Carlos Sanchez
Tom Cleverley
Bacuna
El-Ahamdi
Yacouba Sylla
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 09, 2016, 02:52:01 PM: Quote from: tomd2103 on March 09, 2016, 02:34:26 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on March 09, 2016, 02:21:23 PM
B/ham Mail saying Ayew / Veretout / Gana all out the door , Traore could also go

So basically unlike say Burnley/Hull who kept nucleolus of squad and are challenging to come back up we will have to rebuild most of the squad no doubt on the cheap and likely a new manager ...

Will be gutted if that is the case as those are players I hoped we would build the team around. Next season could be worse than this one.

Well presumably they're going to go for a lot of money then given what we paid.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KevinGage on March 09, 2016, 03:01:13 PM: I can wear the departure of Ayew, Veretout and Gana if Gabby and Bacuna are definitely on the way out too.

A core of Steer (or Bunn) Baker, Clark, Gardner and Robinson are enough to start the rebuild with, Gestede too, if he is up for it.

We need a lot more, obv. But most of that lot have shown they are competent players at Championship level already and Bunn and Gestede aside, none of them should be too scarred from this utter faeces of a season.

A top gun forward for that level (ideally with a bit of pace and strength) and an experienced head in the middle of the park would give us a chance. Without getting all Villakicks, perhaps someone like Glen Whelan. Does the ugly stuff, can graft (rather than just point like Westwood) and has a decent shot on him. Wouldn't advocate him in million years if we were staying up, but should be too good for that level. And with Stoke's recent business, might be semi-realistic.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: andrew08 on March 09, 2016, 03:12:21 PM: Why do people continue to mention Gary Gardner? He must be close to 25 and is never ever fit. Is he really going to play 40 odd games next season?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KevinGage on March 09, 2016, 03:15:53 PM: Probably because fans of every Championship club he has played for have raved about him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 09, 2016, 03:17:04 PM: Quote from: andrew08 on March 09, 2016, 03:12:21 PM
Why do people continue to mention Gary Gardner? He must be close to 25 and is never ever fit. Is he really going to play 40 odd games next season?

He's staying fit and playing week in week out for Forest.

I'm there once a week for work purposes and if it's a Monday I pick up the local paper to see their match reports. They've given him good reviews since he came back.

He's done well previously at that level, it's time he was given a proper chance.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on March 09, 2016, 03:19:21 PM: He played about 18 in a row last season for Forest and has played the last 8-9 for them this season.

Steer, Hutton, Baker, Okore, Amavi, Sulliman, Gardner, Lyden, Grealish, Robinson, Gestede, Davis, Hepburn Murphy

Sell the rest if they want out and start again. Build a side around Grealish.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 09, 2016, 03:20:35 PM: Forest fans love him....

http://www.forestforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=43373
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on March 09, 2016, 03:33:33 PM: Sheer foolishness to send the Gardner lad out on loan then complain we have no alternatives to dropping your Bacuna's and Westwood's. Lack of joined up thinking again at the Villa.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: andrew08 on March 09, 2016, 03:57:06 PM: Sorry I still have my PL head on. I have to now lower my expectations. I have to now except that our once star prospects are now good enough to hold down a place in average 2nd Division sides. I suppose Greslish will be putting in good solid journeyman 7/10 performances next season too.

Can't wait.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 09, 2016, 04:23:22 PM: before anyone gets unduly panicked I'm sure when Newcastle went down there were similar articles surrounding their better players yet they pretty much held on to all of them. Relegation clauses or not, Liverpool showed with Suarez that clauses can be challenged. We are not going to sell all of the players because it makes no sense to do that. There will be some which I hope we have had a big say in so that it suits us.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on March 09, 2016, 04:28:24 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on March 09, 2016, 02:52:01 PM
Well presumably they're going to go for a lot of money then given what we paid.

I wouldn't assume that. I reckon the board will have a bit of a fire sale to get wages off the books. Nobody in their right mind would pay what we did for Gana and Veretout as they have not exactly pulled up any trees. I would guess we would let them go for £2-3m each. Ayew will fetch about £5m, as we are not in a strong negotiating position.

I doubt we will buy any replacements.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on March 09, 2016, 04:30:22 PM: Quote from: SoccerHQ on March 09, 2016, 03:20:35 PM
Forest fans love him....

http://www.forestforum.co.uk/showthread.php?t=43373

Looking forwards to seeing him in our team next season (always assuming we don't flog him to Forrest). Sanchez will probably look good at that level as well, ditto Grealish. Although I saw a link to Grealish going to West Ham for £5m (think the board would take that).
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on March 09, 2016, 04:30:57 PM: Quote from: Des Little on March 09, 2016, 11:39:54 AM
Reports saying Veretout may be off to AC Mila

There's plenty of things that I'd like to do with Mila Kunis but fixing her air-conditioning isn't one of them
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on March 09, 2016, 04:33:12 PM: Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on March 09, 2016, 04:28:24 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on March 09, 2016, 02:52:01 PM
Well presumably they're going to go for a lot of money then given what we paid.

I wouldn't assume that. I reckon the board will have a bit of a fire sale to get wages off the books. Nobody in their right mind would pay what we did for Gana and Veretout as they have not exactly pulled up any trees. I would guess we would let them go for £2-3m each. Ayew will fetch about £5m, as we are not in a strong negotiating position.

I doubt we will buy any replacements.

Did you not say a million with pay offs yesterday? Getting better I guess. We will get 6 minimum for them, more for Ayew.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on March 09, 2016, 04:40:08 PM: Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on March 09, 2016, 04:28:24 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on March 09, 2016, 02:52:01 PM
Well presumably they're going to go for a lot of money then given what we paid.

I wouldn't assume that. I reckon the board will have a bit of a fire sale to get wages off the books

Their wages which will be reduced if they end up staying. Why would the board be panicking about wages which are in line with a Championship club's wages?

So they either stay with us on reduced wages or they leave for the amount that their contract says they can leave for.

What you're predicting will happen doesn't stand up to any sort of scrutiny at all.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on March 09, 2016, 04:52:39 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on March 09, 2016, 04:33:12 PM
Did you not say a million with pay offs yesterday? Getting better I guess. We will get 6 minimum for them, more for Ayew.

I am only guessing, I would hope I am wrong and we get top dollar and better replacements (or in Ayew's case we keep him). Just cynical over the shower running the club.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 09, 2016, 04:55:17 PM: Quote from: UK Redsox on March 09, 2016, 04:30:57 PM
Quote from: Des Little on March 09, 2016, 11:39:54 AM
Reports saying Veretout may be off to AC Mila

There's plenty of things that I'd like to do with Mila Kunis but fixing her air-conditioning isn't one of them

Is it not conceivable that by doing a great job fixing her AC could in fact lead to doing to her the things you want to do to her?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on March 09, 2016, 05:11:34 PM: Quote from: Toronto Villa on March 09, 2016, 04:55:17 PM
Quote from: UK Redsox on March 09, 2016, 04:30:57 PM
Quote from: Des Little on March 09, 2016, 11:39:54 AM
Reports saying Veretout may be off to AC Mila

There's plenty of things that I'd like to do with Mila Kunis but fixing her air-conditioning isn't one of them

Is it not conceivable that by doing a great job fixing her AC could in fact lead to doing to her the things you want to do to her?

No wonder I've been crap with the ladies if this is what turns them on.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 09, 2016, 05:38:04 PM: Quote from: Toronto Villa on March 09, 2016, 04:23:22 PM
before anyone gets unduly panicked I'm sure when Newcastle went down there were similar articles surrounding their better players yet they pretty much held on to all of them. Relegation clauses or not, Liverpool showed with Suarez that clauses can be challenged. We are not going to sell all of the players because it makes no sense to do that. There will be some which I hope we have had a big say in so that it suits us.

Depends what the grim reaper Hollis decides.

From his quotes and generally what seems to be going on behind the scenes currently I think he's going to have a good hack at the Carcass this summer.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 09, 2016, 06:07:24 PM: Quote from: SoccerHQ on March 09, 2016, 05:38:04 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on March 09, 2016, 04:23:22 PM
before anyone gets unduly panicked I'm sure when Newcastle went down there were similar articles surrounding their better players yet they pretty much held on to all of them. Relegation clauses or not, Liverpool showed with Suarez that clauses can be challenged. We are not going to sell all of the players because it makes no sense to do that. There will be some which I hope we have had a big say in so that it suits us.

Depends what the grim reaper Hollis decides.

From his quotes and generally what seems to be going on behind the scenes currently I think he's going to have a good hack at the Carcass this summer.

I think this is where King will play a role. My guess is that he'll start at the top of the carcass as he carves away. From what King said recently Garde is free to stay if he wants to stay. At least that's what I got reading between the lines. I don't think the club is going to advocate sacking another manager and paying him off. And if Garde does stay he'll have a massive role to play in who remains on the playing staff and how hard the club works to keep those they want to keep
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: adrenachrome on March 09, 2016, 06:26:23 PM: Quote from: UK Redsox on March 09, 2016, 04:30:57 PM
Quote from: Des Little on March 09, 2016, 11:39:54 AM
Reports saying Veretout may be off to AC Mila

There's plenty of things that I'd like to do with Mila Kunis but fixing her air-conditioning isn't one of them

If it was prematurely air conditioned as per your sig from the Philip Glass opera does that mean you would come too quickly an leave lovely Mila hot and bothered?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ROBBO on March 09, 2016, 06:56:48 PM: That's one good reason for Garde staying (getting rid of the troublemakers) another manager will come in thinking he can resurrect Gabby.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on March 09, 2016, 08:00:29 PM: Quote from: ROBBO on March 09, 2016, 06:56:48 PM
That's one good reason for Garde staying (getting rid of the troublemakers) another manager will come in thinking he can resurrect Gabby.
When is the bit where we put him in a cave and block the entrance with a big egg stone
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: AV89 on March 09, 2016, 09:11:43 PM: Nursey again........

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/aston-villa-ready-offload-french-7526630
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: villabear on March 09, 2016, 09:40:39 PM: Quote from: AV89 on March 09, 2016, 09:11:43 PM
Nursey again........

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/aston-villa-ready-offload-french-7526630

Quote from: AV89 on March 09, 2016, 09:11:43 PM
Nursey again........

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/aston-villa-ready-offload-french-7526630

Another 'no quote' story. Apparently were not going to offer N'Zogbia a new deal. Who'd have thought. Amazing journalism again from the Evening Mail's sister paper.

In other news I might not get a date with Charlize Theron
Ps: don't tell the wife
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sickbeggar on March 09, 2016, 09:47:33 PM: Well i thinks its a safe assumption that those mentioned will be off, if only because they are still rated abroad, and in Lerner's Everything Must Go Summer Sale probably at a bargain price
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on March 09, 2016, 10:15:02 PM: While Gueye has had, at best, an up and down season, I still think he has promise and don't want him to leave. I also want Veretout and Ayew to stay.

I keep saying I'm definitely getting a season ticket next year but if we sell off the promising players to further balance the books I might think they can't be arsed so why should I.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: nick harper on March 09, 2016, 10:45:31 PM: The hope should be that Garde stays and is given the power to decide who stays and goes and what budget is available for him to rebuild. These are the guarantees I am sure he is looking for to remain part of the future.

The alternative is the board decide to sanction the sale of our better players, Garde leaves and a new manager is left with the dross and a meagre budget to try and rebuild.

Given recent history, option 2 seems much more likely.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on March 09, 2016, 10:46:13 PM: Sadly true.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on March 09, 2016, 11:33:25 PM: Quote from: andrew08 on March 09, 2016, 03:57:06 PM
Sorry I still have my PL head on. I have to now lower my expectations. I have to now except that our once star prospects are now good enough to hold down a place in average 2nd Division sides. I suppose Greslish will be putting in good solid journeyman 7/10 performances next season too.

Can't wait.

I agree. Gardner is playing in a mid table Forest side. Baker has been playing in a Bristol City side that have been in the relegation mix all season. We want players who are too good for that league, not players whose level is the bottom reaches of it.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: adrenachrome on March 09, 2016, 11:37:35 PM: Quote from: nick harper on March 09, 2016, 10:45:31 PM
The hope should be that Garde stays and is given the power to decide who stays and goes and what budget is available for him to rebuild. These are the guarantees I am sure he is looking for to remain part of the future.

The alternative is the board decide to sanction the sale of our better players, Garde leaves and a new manager is left with the dross and a meagre budget to try and rebuild.

Given recent history, option 2 seems much more likely.

That is the situation in a nutshell.

Unfortunately, to make the situation crystal clear to the boneheads on the board prior to negotiating, RG has had to make team selections which have undermined his support with a large section of our less strategically minded fans and this will make it easier for them to remove him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sickbeggar on March 09, 2016, 11:44:30 PM: Quote from: tomd2103 on March 09, 2016, 11:33:25 PM
Quote from: andrew08 on March 09, 2016, 03:57:06 PM
Sorry I still have my PL head on. I have to now lower my expectations. I have to now except that our once star prospects are now good enough to hold down a place in average 2nd Division sides. I suppose Greslish will be putting in good solid journeyman 7/10 performances next season too.

Can't wait.

I agree. Gardner is playing in a mid table Forest side. Baker has been playing in a Bristol City side that have been in the relegation mix all season. We want players who are too good for that league, not players whose level is the bottom reaches of it.

Who's gonna pay for them? Lerner ain't . People like Clark, Baker, Gardner, Grealish and Westwood would give us a good basis of a young side who still want to achieve things. Add in say Hutton and Lescott for some experience, and buy some steel in midfield and a decent striker. I don't think that's a bad championship side. A large majority of the last side that got relegated played a big part in getting us promoted with the right players added and they were just as terrible
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on March 10, 2016, 12:10:43 AM: Carlton Palmer is good for getting teams out of the Championship.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on March 10, 2016, 12:15:20 AM: Andre Gray and Joey Barton were the best 2 signings in that division last season, but the former cost 9-10 million. You can have mediocre players, as long as you have got a couple of decent centre halves, a leader in the middle and a bit of pace and goals up top. Gardner and Baker will be fine. Even Steer in goal would be most likely. Our problem will be scoring enough goals and having enough pace to stretch teams. It is why I welcome the link to Sinclair at Liverpool who looks a prospect.

Gudmundson at Charlton has got a fair few assists this season down the wing and might be worth looking at. But the most important thing will be to sign 3 forward IMO. 2 wide players with skill and pace and a genuine striker that can handle himself and run through the middle. Add them to Gestede and keep the youngsters in the squad. 46 plus games will take their toll and the forward options will be essential to doing well.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aev on March 10, 2016, 06:41:35 AM: Grealish to go too according to the Israeli Times.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on March 10, 2016, 07:18:48 AM: The telegraph is running this too. I hope not because he is the one we should be building ring next season not letting go. It would be a Cahill like bollock dropped.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on March 10, 2016, 07:30:28 AM: Quote from: tomd2103 on March 09, 2016, 11:33:25 PM
Quote from: andrew08 on March 09, 2016, 03:57:06 PM
Sorry I still have my PL head on. I have to now lower my expectations. I have to now except that our once star prospects are now good enough to hold down a place in average 2nd Division sides. I suppose Greslish will be putting in good solid journeyman 7/10 performances next season too.

Can't wait.

I agree. Gardner is playing in a mid table Forest side. Baker has been playing in a Bristol City side that have been in the relegation mix all season. We want players who are too good for that league, not players whose level is the bottom reaches of it.

this

if we keep the likes of justhead, westwood, bacuna etc because they may do a job in the championship then when we do come back up they will need to be fucked off as thexm arent good enough.

the scale of rebuilding us is massive
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on March 10, 2016, 07:35:05 AM: Quote from: cdbullyweefan on March 09, 2016, 10:15:02 PM
While Gueye has had, at best, an up and down season, I still think he has promise and don't want him to leave. I also want Veretout and Ayew to stay.

I keep saying I'm definitely getting a season ticket next year but if we sell off the promising players tov further balance the books I might think they can't be arsed so why should I.
I agree.A forward line that contains Ayew and Gestede with a fast and tricky winger to supply them would pay dividends in the Championship. Gueye works hard but Veretout needs a goal or two to get him going.Nathan Baker will be OK in this division.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 10, 2016, 08:24:25 AM: We can't be selling all of our good players that would be suicide, but then under current leadership who knows.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on March 10, 2016, 09:31:19 AM: Looking at the accounts there will be little choice. The squad needs totally ripping apart to start again. If wages were 74m last season they are likely higher this so will need to come down about half quickly you would think. Richards Ayew Lescott Gabby Nzogbia Guzan I reckon all on upwards of 50k a week will need to be shed fast.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on March 10, 2016, 09:33:00 AM: Quote from: aev on March 10, 2016, 06:41:35 AM
Grealish to go too according to the Israeli Times.

Shalom.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on March 10, 2016, 09:39:03 AM: Quote from: sickbeggar on March 09, 2016, 11:44:30 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on March 09, 2016, 11:33:25 PM
Quote from: andrew08 on March 09, 2016, 03:57:06 PM
Sorry I still have my PL head on. I have to now lower my expectations. I have to now except that our once star prospects are now good enough to hold down a place in average 2nd Division sides. I suppose Greslish will be putting in good solid journeyman 7/10 performances next season too.

Can't wait.

I agree. Gardner is playing in a mid table Forest side. Baker has been playing in a Bristol City side that have been in the relegation mix all season. We want players who are too good for that league, not players whose level is the bottom reaches of it.

Who's gonna pay for them? Lerner ain't . People like Clark, Baker, Gardner, Grealish and Westwood would give us a good basis of a young side who still want to achieve things. Add in say Hutton and Lescott for some experience, and buy some steel in midfield and a decent striker. I don't think that's a bad championship side. A large majority of the last side that got relegated played a big part in getting us promoted with the right players added and they were just as terrible

No chance that side would beat any teams in the current top six places in the Championship. Even if we fluked promotion with that lot, we'd be heading straight back down the next season.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on March 10, 2016, 09:40:08 AM: Quote from: gpbarr on March 09, 2016, 01:50:01 PM
Promote the young academy players, with two/three astute core signings - consolidate in Championship, and then slowly build a squad good enough to get promoted and stay up.

The problems of doing it this way are one, that fans will drift away quickly during a 'consolidation' season, and that the season after, three teams will be coming down with parachute money in excess of ours who will be able to offer better packages to the players we'll need to get promoted.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on March 10, 2016, 09:44:09 AM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on March 10, 2016, 08:24:25 AM
We can't be selling all of our good players

All of em? we couldn't give away most of those shithouses, let alone sell many of them.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on March 10, 2016, 11:26:12 AM: Quote from: ozzjim on March 10, 2016, 09:31:19 AM
Looking at the accounts there will be little choice. The squad needs totally ripping apart to start again. If wages were 74m last season they are likely higher this so will need to come down about half quickly you would think. Richards Ayew Lescott Gabby Nzogbia Guzan I reckon all on upwards of 50k a week will need to be shed fast.

In fairness when the relegation clauses kick in that will get it down overnight. That said I have no idea how much of a reduction these sort of things normally have in them. I've seen £6k a week quoted somewhere as the average Championship wage (no idea if that is accurate), even if the clauses are 50% drop then we are still way over average for that league.

We need to get straight back up, and keep better players. However we also need to make sure we don't go tits up if we don't get promoted and be able to cope when the parachute money stops.

The board will sell high wage players and I can understand why. What I hope happens is that we also buy some new ones, but gut feeling tells me they will cross fingers and hope that the dross look better at that level.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: dave.woodhall on March 10, 2016, 11:29:19 AM: Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on March 10, 2016, 11:26:12 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on March 10, 2016, 09:31:19 AM
Looking at the accounts there will be little choice. The squad needs totally ripping apart to start again. If wages were 74m last season they are likely higher this so will need to come down about half quickly you would think. Richards Ayew Lescott Gabby Nzogbia Guzan I reckon all on upwards of 50k a week will need to be shed fast.

In fairness when the relegation clauses kick in that will get it down overnight. That said I have no idea how much of a reduction these sort of things normally have in them. I've seen £6k a week quoted somewhere as the average Championship wage (no idea if that is accurate), even if the clauses are 50% drop then we are still way over average for that league.

We need to get straight back up, and keep better players. However we also need to make sure we don't go tits up if we don't get promoted and be able to cope when the parachute money stops.

The board will sell high wage players and I can understand why. What I hope happens is that we also buy some new ones, but gut feeling tells me they will cross fingers and hope that the dross look better at that level.

Can anyone with more time on their hands than I've got get hold of Newcstle's accounts for the season they were down and compare them to the ones either side?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ClaretAndBlueBlood on March 10, 2016, 11:30:14 AM: Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on March 10, 2016, 11:26:12 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on March 10, 2016, 09:31:19 AM
Looking at the accounts there will be little choice. The squad needs totally ripping apart to start again. If wages were 74m last season they are likely higher this so will need to come down about half quickly you would think. Richards Ayew Lescott Gabby Nzogbia Guzan I reckon all on upwards of 50k a week will need to be shed fast.

In fairness when the relegation clauses kick in that will get it down overnight. That said I have no idea how much of a reduction these sort of things normally have in them. I've seen £6k a week quoted somewhere as the average Championship wage (no idea if that is accurate), even if the clauses are 50% drop then we are still way over average for that league.

We need to get straight back up, and keep better players. However we also need to make sure we don't go tits up if we don't get promoted and be able to cope when the parachute money stops.

The board will sell high wage players and I can understand why. What I hope happens is that we also buy some new ones, but gut feeling tells me they will cross fingers and hope that the dross look better at that level.

do you think our board will have been clever enough to insert relegation clauses into contracts?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on March 10, 2016, 11:46:58 AM: Quote from: ClaretAndBlueBlood on March 10, 2016, 11:30:14 AM
do you think our board will have been clever enough to insert relegation clauses into contracts?

Yes. But I doubt any payer signing a £50k a week contract with a perennial relegation struggling outfit (sadly that's the Villa these days) would accept a clause knocking it down to the £6k week Championship average wage. Question is how much do the salaries drop, is it 30%, 50% 10%?

I have no clue what is standard. Dave Woodhall is right, looking at Newcastles accounts before and after the drop would give an insight.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 10, 2016, 12:01:44 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on March 10, 2016, 09:31:19 AM
Looking at the accounts there will be little choice. The squad needs totally ripping apart to start again. If wages were 74m last season they are likely higher this so will need to come down about half quickly you would think. Richards Ayew Lescott Gabby Nzogbia Guzan I reckon all on upwards of 50k a week will need to be shed fast.

Yep and if that's the case we'll be marooned in the Championship for a long time, and that's probably best case scenario. There's going to have to be some important decisions made, because if we cut back too drastically, too quickly then we're facing massive trouble.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ClaretAndBlueBlood on March 10, 2016, 12:44:41 PM: Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on March 10, 2016, 11:46:58 AM
Quote from: ClaretAndBlueBlood on March 10, 2016, 11:30:14 AM
do you think our board will have been clever enough to insert relegation clauses into contracts?

Yes. But I doubt any payer signing a £50k a week contract with a perennial relegation struggling outfit (sadly that's the Villa these days) would accept a clause knocking it down to the £6k week Championship average wage. Question is how much do the salaries drop, is it 30%, 50% 10%?

I have no clue what is standard. Dave Woodhall is right, looking at Newcastles accounts before and after the drop would give an insight.

I wouldn't be so sure about relegation clauses, our lot don't seem to get too much right
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on March 10, 2016, 12:51:10 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on March 10, 2016, 09:31:19 AM
Looking at the accounts there will be little choice. The squad needs totally ripping apart to start again. If wages were 74m last season they are likely higher this so will need to come down about half quickly you would think. Richards Ayew Lescott Gabby Nzogbia Guzan I reckon all on upwards of 50k a week will need to be shed fast.

Richards, N'Zogbia, probably Gabby - yes. But I'd be amazed if the others were on anything close to that.

At Lorient, Ayew earned a shade over £20k per week - I can't imagine it would have taken a 150% increase on his wages to persuade him to join us.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: achilles on March 10, 2016, 01:29:51 PM: Quote from: Dave on March 10, 2016, 12:51:10 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on March 10, 2016, 09:31:19 AM
Looking at the accounts there will be little choice. The squad needs totally ripping apart to start again. If wages were 74m last season they are likely higher this so will need to come down about half quickly you would think. Richards Ayew Lescott Gabby Nzogbia Guzan I reckon all on upwards of 50k a week will need to be shed fast.

Richards, N'Zogbia, probably Gabby - yes. But I'd be amazed if the others were on anything close to that.

At Lorient, Ayew earned a shade over £20k per week - I can't imagine it would have taken a 150% increase on his wages to persuade him to join us.

Even that is too much for the championship, so he won't be here!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on March 10, 2016, 01:34:12 PM: Troy Deeley was on £40k a week in the Championship, and the goalie.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: achilles on March 10, 2016, 01:36:55 PM: But all our players are on too much for the championship (even with relegation clauses), not just the odd one or two!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on March 10, 2016, 01:38:30 PM: Quote from: achilles on March 10, 2016, 01:29:51 PM
Quote from: Dave on March 10, 2016, 12:51:10 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on March 10, 2016, 09:31:19 AM
Looking at the accounts there will be little choice. The squad needs totally ripping apart to start again. If wages were 74m last season they are likely higher this so will need to come down about half quickly you would think. Richards Ayew Lescott Gabby Nzogbia Guzan I reckon all on upwards of 50k a week will need to be shed fast.

Richards, N'Zogbia, probably Gabby - yes. But I'd be amazed if the others were on anything close to that.

At Lorient, Ayew earned a shade over £20k per week - I can't imagine it would have taken a 150% increase on his wages to persuade him to join us.

Even that is too much for the championship, so he won't be here!

Is it?

Blackburn were paying Jordan Rhodes £42,000 per week and I can't imagine he took a paycut to join Middlesbrough. Boro are also paying Stewart Downing £35,000 per week.

Why would £20k per week (and I expect that even in the Championship we'd be paying him more than that) be too much?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on March 10, 2016, 01:42:13 PM: I know a couple of players in the Championship and they are both on pushing £20k at clubs with little serious chance of promotion this season, or last.

If we seriously cant afford £20k a week then we had better get used to us being there for a few years.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on March 10, 2016, 01:58:20 PM: We need to focus on the malignant core, who are coincidentally by and large our top earners.

Richardson and N'Zogbia will probably save us the best part of £4.5m a season, bu the likes of Richards, Lescott, Guzan, Agbonlahor, Clark, Westwood and Bacuna need to be moved this summer.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on March 10, 2016, 02:05:47 PM: but as ever, who will buy those still on a contract? Payoffs might have to be the order of business.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Chris Jameson on March 10, 2016, 02:08:23 PM: Quote from: PeterWithe on March 10, 2016, 01:34:12 PM
Troy Deeley was on £40k a week in the Championship, and the goalie.

Deeney and Gomes? Where do people get these figures from? There was somebody last year claiming Huddestone was on £80,000 a week at Hull which is just nonsense.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on March 10, 2016, 02:14:03 PM: Quote from: mr underhill on March 10, 2016, 02:05:47 PM
but as ever, who will buy those still on a contract?

Why does it matter? Those who are wanted by other clubs will be sold if the buyer meets our valuation or the value stipulated by the player's contract.

Those who aren't wanted by other clubs will see their income drop in line with our reduced income.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on March 10, 2016, 02:42:38 PM: sorry,my point was relating specifically to players like Gabflab. no matter how hard I try I can't see anyone buying him or Bacuna etc.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: AVH87 on March 10, 2016, 03:03:34 PM: Quote from: Ads on March 10, 2016, 01:58:20 PM
We need to focus on the malignant core, who are coincidentally by and large our top earners.

Richardson and N'Zogbia will probably save us the best part of £4.5m a season, bu the likes of Richards, Lescott, Guzan, Agbonlahor, Clark, Westwood and Bacuna need to be moved this summer.

Surely Clark and Westwood could be decent players at that level, and after relegation clauses should be on <20k p/wk. I'd even be tempted to keep Lescott for a year at that level, should be a class above.

There will be interest in Richards, and I hope to god I never see Guzan, Gabby or Bacuna in a Villa shirt ever again.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: in exile on March 10, 2016, 03:05:54 PM: Interest in Richards?
Seriously, who would want him after looking at his performances for us this season?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: AVH87 on March 10, 2016, 03:08:38 PM: Quote from: in exile on March 10, 2016, 03:05:54 PM
Interest in Richards?
Seriously, who would want him after looking at his performances for us this season?

He'll be available for cheap as he's on big wages and we got him on a free, I don't think one bad season will ruin his reputation. I'm confident bottom half PL clubs will still go for him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on March 10, 2016, 03:09:12 PM: Quote from: in exile on March 10, 2016, 03:05:54 PM
Interest in Richards?
Seriously, who would want him after looking at his performances for us this season?

I'm sure there will be a mug punter out there. Probably Big Sam if Sunderland stay up.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: in exile on March 10, 2016, 03:11:26 PM: I hope you are both right
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Bully2345 on March 10, 2016, 03:19:58 PM: Bacuna is contracted until 2020. He's going nowhere
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on March 10, 2016, 03:22:42 PM: Shall we just wrap this thread up now and save ourselves the disappointment?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on March 10, 2016, 03:28:24 PM: Quote from: tomd2103 on March 10, 2016, 03:22:42 PM
Shall we just wrap this thread up now and save ourselves the disappointment?

You don't think that anybody will be sold and you think that nobody will be brought in?

I think that's unlikely.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: old man villa fan on March 10, 2016, 03:34:48 PM: Something that has to be considered. Do you sell one of the better players (at a loss) and then use that to pay the poorer player on high wages or in other words, pour money down the drain or do use the equivalent money to get rid of the poorer player and keep the better player who might give you the chance of being promoted.

Football is not like business in general where you cut costs to survive until, say, a recession ends. With football you still have to compete or you will sink further.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on March 10, 2016, 03:54:45 PM: Anyone worth any money gone, anyone past it/never had it/cheap gamble in.

This summer summed up to save us the heart ache and hassle.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 10, 2016, 04:27:19 PM: Stoke like taking our out of favour high earning players, people were saying Given and Ireland would be here until their contracts ran out.

Weren't Sunderland in for Richards on the last day of the window?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on March 10, 2016, 04:47:38 PM: Quote from: Chris Jameson on March 10, 2016, 02:08:23 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on March 10, 2016, 01:34:12 PM
Troy Deeley was on £40k a week in the Championship, and the goalie.

Deeney and Gomes? Where do people get these figures from?

From the player when asked why he hadn't moved to the PL.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: olaftab on March 10, 2016, 04:48:05 PM: 12 pages already...I predict this time another 1000 page thread before 31 August.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on March 10, 2016, 04:57:28 PM: Maybe later. As a Diddy League club, won't we still be able to loan players for a while after the deadline has closed?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on March 10, 2016, 05:06:48 PM: I can't wait to see what players we manage to dig up with no money. We can't find a bucket to piss in with £50m to spend so with 50p we haven't a chance with these lot in charge.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on March 10, 2016, 05:11:45 PM: In years to come, the Grant Holt Era will be regarded as a hallowed Golden Age.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on March 10, 2016, 05:16:33 PM: Quote from: aj2k77 on March 10, 2016, 05:06:48 PM
I can't wait to see what players we manage to dig up with no money. We can't find a bucket to piss in with £50m to spend so with 50p we haven't a chance with these lot in charge.

Yet on another thread Randy has spent too much. Which is it?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Chris Jameson on March 10, 2016, 05:26:58 PM: Quote from: PeterWithe on March 10, 2016, 04:47:38 PM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on March 10, 2016, 02:08:23 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on March 10, 2016, 01:34:12 PM
Troy Deeley was on £40k a week in the Championship, and the goalie.

Deeney and Gomes? Where do people get these figures from?

From the player when asked why he hadn't moved to the PL.

He didn't want to move to the Premier League because two Watford players were supposedly on £40,000 a week in the Championship?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ian. on March 10, 2016, 07:06:12 PM: It would really piss me off if Benteke signs for someone like West Ham next year.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: saunders_heroes on March 10, 2016, 07:12:10 PM: Quote from: Bully2345 on March 10, 2016, 03:19:58 PM
Bacuna is contracted until 2020. He's going nowhere

What ever possessed us to give him a new contract. Absolute madness.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on March 10, 2016, 08:00:51 PM: Quote from: Clampy on March 10, 2016, 05:16:33 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on March 10, 2016, 05:06:48 PM
I can't wait to see what players we manage to dig up with no money. We can't find a bucket to piss in with £50m to spend so with 50p we haven't a chance with these lot in charge.

Yet on another thread Randy has spent too much. Which is it?

What on earth are you on about again?

We can't scout a half decent player with £50m burning a hole in our pocket, I hold no hope of us finding anything decent with nothing to spend. The scouting is shit, look what we conjured up this summer, they're crap, we are relegated in March.

What does that have to do with Randy spending too much? He obviously has, he's a quarter of a billion in the hole. It won't be continuing, Hollis hasn't come here for nothing.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SamTheMouse on March 10, 2016, 09:01:21 PM: No reports about clubs wanting to sign Gabby then? Or a swoop by aSerie A club for Westwood? Thought not. People are only interested in the dross our useless transfer committe signed last summer...
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on March 10, 2016, 09:07:53 PM: Quote from: aj2k77 on March 10, 2016, 08:00:51 PM
Quote from: Clampy on March 10, 2016, 05:16:33 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on March 10, 2016, 05:06:48 PM
I can't wait to see what players we manage to dig up with no money. We can't find a bucket to piss in with £50m to spend so with 50p we haven't a chance with these lot in charge.

Yet on another thread Randy has spent too much. Which is it?

What on earth are you on about again?

We can't scout a half decent player with £50m burning a hole in our pocket,

Apart from Ayew, Amavi, Traore and Gana. They're half decent and someone will want them if they don't want to stop.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: itbrvilla on March 10, 2016, 09:15:49 PM: Quote from: SamTheMouse on March 10, 2016, 09:01:21 PM
No reports about clubs wanting to sign Gabby then? Or a swoop by aSerie A club for Westwood? Thought not. People are only interested in the dross our useless transfer committe signed last summer...
We don't have a transfer committee.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 10, 2016, 09:18:47 PM: Quote from: Clampy on March 10, 2016, 09:07:53 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on March 10, 2016, 08:00:51 PM
Quote from: Clampy on March 10, 2016, 05:16:33 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on March 10, 2016, 05:06:48 PM
I can't wait to see what players we manage to dig up with no money. We can't find a bucket to piss in with £50m to spend so with 50p we haven't a chance with these lot in charge.

Yet on another thread Randy has spent too much. Which is it?

What on earth are you on about again?

We can't scout a half decent player with £50m burning a hole in our pocket,

Apart from Ayew, Amavi, Traore and Gana. They're half decent and someone will want them if they don't want to stop.

I agree re the others, but I haven't seen anything from Traore to suggest he's any good.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on March 10, 2016, 09:20:56 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on March 10, 2016, 09:18:47 PM
Quote from: Clampy on March 10, 2016, 09:07:53 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on March 10, 2016, 08:00:51 PM
Quote from: Clampy on March 10, 2016, 05:16:33 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on March 10, 2016, 05:06:48 PM
I can't wait to see what players we manage to dig up with no money. We can't find a bucket to piss in with £50m to spend so with 50p we haven't a chance with these lot in charge.

Yet on another thread Randy has spent too much. Which is it?

What on earth are you on about again?

We can't scout a half decent player with £50m burning a hole in our pocket,

Apart from Ayew, Amavi, Traore and Gana. They're half decent and someone will want them if they don't want to stop.

I agree re the others, but I haven't seen anything from Traore to suggest he's any good.

He looks like someone who could be a very good player in time and when he's actually fit. He's a bit raw but I can see why we brought him in.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 10, 2016, 09:25:11 PM: Quote from: Clampy on March 10, 2016, 09:20:56 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on March 10, 2016, 09:18:47 PM
Quote from: Clampy on March 10, 2016, 09:07:53 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on March 10, 2016, 08:00:51 PM
Quote from: Clampy on March 10, 2016, 05:16:33 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on March 10, 2016, 05:06:48 PM
I can't wait to see what players we manage to dig up with no money. We can't find a bucket to piss in with £50m to spend so with 50p we haven't a chance with these lot in charge.

Yet on another thread Randy has spent too much. Which is it?

What on earth are you on about again?

We can't scout a half decent player with £50m burning a hole in our pocket,

Apart from Ayew, Amavi, Traore and Gana. They're half decent and someone will want them if they don't want to stop.

I agree re the others, but I haven't seen anything from Traore to suggest he's any good.

He looks like someone who could be a very good player in time and when he's actually fit. He's a bit raw but I can see why we brought him in.

I wouldn't disagree with that, but the action I've seen to make me think he could be decent has all been youtube stuff from before he joined us. I've seen him do nothing for us, pretty much - he's constantly injured, which doesn't help, but he's been a poor signing.

When you think about it, we have so many players who contribute next to nothing, but cost decent wages.

No wonder we're fucked.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on March 10, 2016, 09:29:18 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on March 10, 2016, 09:25:11 PM
Quote from: Clampy on March 10, 2016, 09:20:56 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on March 10, 2016, 09:18:47 PM
Quote from: Clampy on March 10, 2016, 09:07:53 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on March 10, 2016, 08:00:51 PM
Quote from: Clampy on March 10, 2016, 05:16:33 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on March 10, 2016, 05:06:48 PM
I can't wait to see what players we manage to dig up with no money. We can't find a bucket to piss in with £50m to spend so with 50p we haven't a chance with these lot in charge.

Yet on another thread Randy has spent too much. Which is it?

What on earth are you on about again?

We can't scout a half decent player with £50m burning a hole in our pocket,

Apart from Ayew, Amavi, Traore and Gana. They're half decent and someone will want them if they don't want to stop.

I agree re the others, but I haven't seen anything from Traore to suggest he's any good.

He looks like someone who could be a very good player in time and when he's actually fit. He's a bit raw but I can see why we brought him in.

I wouldn't disagree with that, but the action I've seen to make me think he could be decent has all been youtube stuff from before he joined us. I've seen him do nothing for us, pretty much - he's constantly injured, which doesn't help, but he's been a poor signing.

When you think about it, we have so many players who contribute next to nothing, but cost decent wages.

No wonder we're fucked.

I think saying he's done nothing is a tad unfair. He set up a great goal up at Sunderland, created an own goal 3 minutes after coming on at Palace and I think he scored in the Cup. It's not much but like you said, he's hardly played that much. I wouldn't call it a poor signing, he's just not got going properly yet.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 10, 2016, 09:31:54 PM: See that kind of return, to me, says poor signing.

We've made far too many of that type in recent years.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: dave.woodhall on March 10, 2016, 09:40:00 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on March 10, 2016, 09:31:54 PM
See that kind of return, to me, says poor signing.

We've made far too many of that type in recent years.

He's not made enough starts to show one way or the other whether he's good or not.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SamTheMouse on March 10, 2016, 09:41:22 PM: I think Traoré was a decent signing, as "one for the future". There's definitely a lot of potential there.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 10, 2016, 09:41:48 PM: If he'd been playing every game it would be a poor signing, considering how little time he's spent on the pitch his stats aren't poor. Every game i've seen him play he's caused the opposition problems. The issue has been we haven't been able to get him on the pitch anywhere near enough.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on March 10, 2016, 09:50:03 PM: He has pace that would trouble Boult and a physice that would worry Froch. He's very raw but he's got a lot of talent, just a pity he's not had a run.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 10, 2016, 09:52:36 PM: He's played approx 185 mins of league football for us and got 2 assists. 60 mins of cup football and scored a goal.

I honestly believe if we'd been able to play him and Amavi in most games that we wouldn't be in the bottom 3.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on March 10, 2016, 09:52:37 PM: Quote from: olaftab on March 10, 2016, 04:48:05 PM
12 pages already...I predict this time another 1000 page thread before 31 August.

I hope so. It's about time one of my threads hit the big time.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on March 10, 2016, 09:55:28 PM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on March 10, 2016, 09:52:36 PM
He's played approx 185 mins of league football for us and got 2 assists. 60 mins of cup football and scored a goal.

I honestly believe if we'd been able to play him and Amavi in most games that we wouldn't be in the bottom 3.

We would have scored more goals. I'd certainly like to see him and Amavi stay if possible. Amavi's injury should mean we keep him and the Championship might be a better place for Traore to step up from the Spanish third division. Ayew is the other one I'd be desperate to hold onto as well.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on March 10, 2016, 09:56:41 PM: Quote from: Toronto Villa on March 09, 2016, 04:55:17 PM
Quote from: UK Redsox on March 09, 2016, 04:30:57 PM
Quote from: Des Little on March 09, 2016, 11:39:54 AM
Reports saying Veretout may be off to AC Mila

There's plenty of things that I'd like to do with Mila Kunis but fixing her air-conditioning isn't one of them

Is it not conceivable that by doing a great job fixing her AC could in fact lead to doing to her the things you want to do to her?

Well if it stops her blowing hot and cold......
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on March 10, 2016, 10:01:22 PM: Quote from: Clampy on March 10, 2016, 09:07:53 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on March 10, 2016, 08:00:51 PM
Quote from: Clampy on March 10, 2016, 05:16:33 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on March 10, 2016, 05:06:48 PM
I can't wait to see what players we manage to dig up with no money. We can't find a bucket to piss in with £50m to spend so with 50p we haven't a chance with these lot in charge.

Yet on another thread Randy has spent too much. Which is it?

What on earth are you on about again?

We can't scout a half decent player with £50m burning a hole in our pocket,

Apart from Ayew, Amavi, Traore and Gana. They're half decent and someone will want them if they don't want to stop.

Ayew is Ok, shown nothing more nothing less but stands out like a shining light in a sea of crap. Amavi has played about 10 games? Traore hasn't started a single league game and Gana is part of the worst Villa midfield I think I've ever seen, going back to 1987 and doesn't stand out. If you think that was a good summers business we will have to agree to disagree.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 10, 2016, 10:03:41 PM: Quote from: Ads on March 10, 2016, 09:55:28 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on March 10, 2016, 09:52:36 PM
He's played approx 185 mins of league football for us and got 2 assists. 60 mins of cup football and scored a goal.

I honestly believe if we'd been able to play him and Amavi in most games that we wouldn't be in the bottom 3.

We would have scored more goals. I'd certainly like to see him and Amavi stay if possible. Amavi's injury should mean we keep him and the Championship might be a better place for Traore to step up from the Spanish third division. Ayew is the other one I'd be desperate to hold onto as well.

Without a doubt imo. We'd have had more from Rudy as well with those 2 providing crosses.

There's also the defensive aspect, after we lost Amavi you could see team after team targeting us down that side with Richardson or Bacuna there. It only stopped when Sisko came back.

The extra goals those two would have been responsible for, as well as conceding less with Amavi in defence despite him being prone to the odd error, would be enough to have the 8 or 9 points needed to be out the bottom 3.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on March 10, 2016, 10:14:36 PM: Quote from: aj2k77 on March 10, 2016, 10:01:22 PM
Quote from: Clampy on March 10, 2016, 09:07:53 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on March 10, 2016, 08:00:51 PM
Quote from: Clampy on March 10, 2016, 05:16:33 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on March 10, 2016, 05:06:48 PM
I can't wait to see what players we manage to dig up with no money. We can't find a bucket to piss in with £50m to spend so with 50p we haven't a chance with these lot in charge.

Yet on another thread Randy has spent too much. Which is it?

What on earth are you on about again?

We can't scout a half decent player with £50m burning a hole in our pocket,

Apart from Ayew, Amavi, Traore and Gana. They're half decent and someone will want them if they don't want to stop.

Ayew is Ok, shown nothing more nothing less but stands out like a shining light in a sea of crap. Amavi has played about 10 games? Traore hasn't started a single league game and Gana is part of the worst Villa midfield I think I've ever seen, going back to 1987 and doesn't stand out. If you think that was a good summers business we will have to agree to disagree.

I didn't say it was a good summer's business. You said we struggled to sign half decent players and I picked out 4, who are all half decent players.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on March 10, 2016, 10:47:38 PM: Quote from: SamTheMouse on March 10, 2016, 09:41:22 PM
I think Traoré was a decent signing, as "one for the future". There's definitely a lot of potential there.

Potential being the key word there. At the time, we needed proven quality not potential.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on March 10, 2016, 10:50:28 PM: Quote from: Clampy on March 10, 2016, 09:07:53 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on March 10, 2016, 08:00:51 PM
Quote from: Clampy on March 10, 2016, 05:16:33 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on March 10, 2016, 05:06:48 PM
I can't wait to see what players we manage to dig up with no money. We can't find a bucket to piss in with £50m to spend so with 50p we haven't a chance with these lot in charge.

Yet on another thread Randy has spent too much. Which is it?

What on earth are you on about again?

We can't scout a half decent player with £50m burning a hole in our pocket,

Apart from Ayew, Amavi, Traore and Gana. They're half decent and someone will want them if they don't want to stop.

Ayew has been good in patches after a slow start. Amavi looked lively, if suspect defensively. He might be better employed further up the field,
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve R on March 10, 2016, 10:56:29 PM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on March 10, 2016, 09:52:36 PM
He's played approx 185 mins of league football for us and got 2 assists. 60 mins of cup football and scored a goal.

I honestly believe if we'd been able to play him and Amavi in most games that we wouldn't be in the bottom 3.

Even from the few first team minutes he's played, Adama looks like he has the raw ingredients to become football's equivalent of Jonah Lomu. He really does shit defenders up by doing little more than running with the ball.

The problem is the amount of time he has played. Injuries could be an inevitable consequence of his massive frame, in which case he will never develop into a serious player.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on March 10, 2016, 10:59:51 PM: Quote from: aj2k77 on March 10, 2016, 10:01:22 PM
Ayew is Ok, shown nothing more nothing less but stands out like a shining light in a sea of crap. Amavi has played about 10 games? Traore hasn't started a single league game and Gana is part of the worst Villa midfield I think I've ever seen, going back to 1987 and doesn't stand out. If you think that was a good summers business we will have to agree to disagree.

Even though you thought it was fine at the time.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on March 10, 2016, 11:12:55 PM: I think one of our biggest issues is that we have too many players that look decent and produce bugger all.

Carles Gil is a prime example who looks pretty and produces nothing in terms of assists and goals. At least Traore makes things happen.

I hope next season, whichever league we are in, we are a more functional team and have players that are more productive.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on March 11, 2016, 12:00:49 AM: Quote from: Dave on March 10, 2016, 10:59:51 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on March 10, 2016, 10:01:22 PM
Ayew is Ok, shown nothing more nothing less but stands out like a shining light in a sea of crap. Amavi has played about 10 games? Traore hasn't started a single league game and Gana is part of the worst Villa midfield I think I've ever seen, going back to 1987 and doesn't stand out. If you think that was a good summers business we will have to agree to disagree.

Even though you thought it was fine at the time.

Having not seen a single french first division game in my life and trusting/hoping the club couldn't sign an entire bunch of players for £50m that make us worse than last season yes.

I was wrong, they look out of their depth. They're bit part players, ones you'd add to a solid, strong spine with leadership.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on March 11, 2016, 12:09:43 AM: I don't have an issue with the french players who have been brought in personally. Nothing spectacular. However it's the cum bubbles that were already here plus Richards that I have issues with.

On Traore, an absolute beast going forward, effort going backwards though was terrible. Really shit running off the ball as well. He just wants it to feet without moving. Not that he's the only lazy bastard not doing the dirty work.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt C on March 11, 2016, 06:39:59 AM: On relegation clauses - you'd like to think the frankly bizarre period of new contracts we dished out for Gabby, Hutton, Westwood et al was partly initiated by us setting up proper clauses in their deals which were not present before. Given how close we'd come to being relegated previously that would make some sense.

You'd like to think.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on March 11, 2016, 07:06:01 AM: thinking...not something we have been very good at lately
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: olaftab on March 11, 2016, 07:18:01 AM: Quote from: Des Little on March 09, 2016, 11:39:54 AM
Reports saying Veretout may be off to AC Mila
If that's a euphemism please explain so that we can try it?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: olaftab on March 11, 2016, 07:19:17 AM: Quote from: Villa in Denmark on March 10, 2016, 09:56:41 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on March 09, 2016, 04:55:17 PM
Quote from: UK Redsox on March 09, 2016, 04:30:57 PM
Quote from: Des Little on March 09, 2016, 11:39:54 AM
Reports saying Veretout may be off to AC Mila

There's plenty of things that I'd like to do with Mila Kunis but fixing her air-conditioning isn't one of them

Is it not conceivable that by doing a great job fixing her AC could in fact lead to doing to her the things you want to do to her?

Well if it stops her blowing ......
No one wants that!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on March 11, 2016, 07:22:31 AM: Quote from: aj2k77 on March 11, 2016, 12:00:49 AM
Quote from: Dave on March 10, 2016, 10:59:51 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on March 10, 2016, 10:01:22 PM
Ayew is Ok, shown nothing more nothing less but stands out like a shining light in a sea of crap. Amavi has played about 10 games? Traore hasn't started a single league game and Gana is part of the worst Villa midfield I think I've ever seen, going back to 1987 and doesn't stand out. If you think that was a good summers business we will have to agree to disagree.

Even though you thought it was fine at the time.

Having not seen a single french first division game in my life and trusting/hoping the club couldn't sign an entire bunch of players for £50m that make us worse than last season yes.

I was wrong, they look out of their depth. They're bit part players, ones you'd add to a solid, strong spine with leadership.

I wouldn't say they look out of their depth at all. They're probably the kind of players who needed a season to settle in though which didn't help.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on March 11, 2016, 07:55:02 AM: Quote from: Chris Jameson on March 10, 2016, 05:26:58 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on March 10, 2016, 04:47:38 PM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on March 10, 2016, 02:08:23 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on March 10, 2016, 01:34:12 PM
Troy Deeley was on £40k a week in the Championship, and the goalie.

Deeney and Gomes? Where do people get these figures from?

From the player when asked why he hadn't moved to the PL.

He didn't want to move to the Premier League because two Watford players were supposedly on £40,000 a week in the Championship?

No, that was Deeleys reply when asked why he hadn't made a move to the PL, none of the interested PL clubs would match his Watford wages at the time. Him and, strangely, the goalie, were the top,paid players there.

The point being that £20k a week for Ayew isn't out of the ordinary for the Championship.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on March 11, 2016, 07:57:30 AM: In support of the French players I would go further and say that all of them have done well in horrendous circumstances. Like Garde they have been very convenient scapegoats for all the years of turf wars, back biting, plotting, conspiracy, disloyalty, pay back, job politics, blame laying, cheese paring, skinflinting, back stabbing, name calling, column dodging, buck passing, (alleged) bullying, media conniving and downright hiding that has gone on at Villa Park since O'Neill walked out.

Do me 500 words on Aston Villa. OK, boss coming up. What's in the pigeon hole? All the Frogs' Fault. That'll do.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: olaftab on March 11, 2016, 08:29:31 AM: Quote from: peter w on March 10, 2016, 09:52:37 PM
Quote from: olaftab on March 10, 2016, 04:48:05 PM
12 pages already...I predict this time another 1000 page thread before 31 August.

I hope so. It's about time one of my threads hit the big time.
Come on that's easy just start one titled "Steve Hodge -Villa Legend I love". 1000 pages in 7 days with every post no longer than 3 words!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on March 11, 2016, 09:29:06 AM: Quote from: Clampy on March 11, 2016, 07:22:31 AM
Quote from: aj2k77 on March 11, 2016, 12:00:49 AM
Quote from: Dave on March 10, 2016, 10:59:51 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on March 10, 2016, 10:01:22 PM
Ayew is Ok, shown nothing more nothing less but stands out like a shining light in a sea of crap. Amavi has played about 10 games? Traore hasn't started a single league game and Gana is part of the worst Villa midfield I think I've ever seen, going back to 1987 and doesn't stand out. If you think that was a good summers business we will have to agree to disagree.

Even though you thought it was fine at the time.

Having not seen a single french first division game in my life and trusting/hoping the club couldn't sign an entire bunch of players for £50m that make us worse than last season yes.

I was wrong, they look out of their depth. They're bit part players, ones you'd add to a solid, strong spine with leadership.

I wouldn't say they look out of their depth at all. They're probably the kind of players who needed a season to settle in though which didn't help.

Certainly not out of their depth. The memory of a football fan is often very short. Dennis Mortimer had a very slow start to his career here .If social media had been about then he would have got a royal slagging on the forums....and look what happened to him!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on March 11, 2016, 10:09:33 AM: As would Peter Withe.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Pat McMahon on March 11, 2016, 11:41:46 AM: 40 years ago but IIRC Dennis Mortimer made his debut in a 4-1 Boxing Day win over W Ham and was very good. And Peter Withe scored a brace in a 2-2 draw at Man City in what I think was his 3rd game.

Ken McNaught now was a different story.....
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: rougegorge on March 11, 2016, 12:55:38 PM: Yes Withe hit the ground running.

I disagree about the French players all having done well.
Discounting N'Zog, technically we only have three French players. Cissokho was deemed not good enough but has done OK in parts since returning , Amavi was very error prone and Veretout has contributed very little.

Of the two other Ligue 1 players, Gana is average, does well at interceptions, but looks better than others in a very poor team, and Ayew looks reasonably good, but again it is all relative when the team is so abject.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: dave shelley on March 11, 2016, 01:10:17 PM: Quote from: Pat McMahon on March 11, 2016, 11:41:46 AM
40 years ago but IIRC Dennis Mortimer made his debut in a 4-1 Boxing Day win over W Ham and was very good. And Peter Withe scored a brace in a 2-2 draw at Man City in what I think was his 3rd game.

Ken McNaught now was a different story.....

Correct Pat. I was at both of those games. I think we were two up in that Citeh game.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on March 11, 2016, 01:41:16 PM: Respect your contrary opinion rougegorge but there is no way the French players brought in last summer, ie Amavi, Gueye, Ayew and Veretout have not played generally better than the body of the squad into which they went. When I say those players have played well, I should have added compared with Richards, Agbonlahor, Guzan, Lescott, Clark, Bacuna, Richardson, Sinclair, Westwood and Gestede and they have played as well as the least bad established players like Hutton, Cissoko, Okore and Gil.

I have never suggested that our French imports have played as well as Leicester's or those of any secure Premiership club. Clearly they have not but to scapegoat them and not the real culprits of our demise is disingenuous and unfair. In my opinion.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on March 11, 2016, 01:46:15 PM: And Peter Withe got pelters from many quartets until he settled in (quickly thankfully) for his earlier club connections. Twitter would have burst into flames if it had existed when he signed for us.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Chris Jameson on March 11, 2016, 01:46:39 PM: If we're sticking with Gestede then Elmohamady and Robertson at Hull are both great crossers of the ball. That's all I've got.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on March 11, 2016, 03:26:56 PM: is Mr Umpa Lumpa coming too ?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on March 11, 2016, 04:14:22 PM: Now you are being silly. He is the African Car Reverser.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tony scott on March 11, 2016, 04:47:55 PM: The midfield we employ is slow and one paced, which is okay if you get plenty of movement from your strikers ,we badly need two quick midfielders ,it takes pressure off our brittle defence and ensures other teams are less able to play hiigher up the pitch. Possibly play Amavi in one of those positions he is the only player on our current squad to fit the bill imho
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: FranzBiberkopf on March 11, 2016, 05:13:17 PM: Quote
The midfield we employ is slow and one paced, which is okay if you get plenty of movement from your strikers ,we badly need two quick midfielders ,it takes pressure off our brittle defence and ensures other teams are less able to play hiigher up the pitch.

Yes. We have the epitome of a 'nothing' midfield. Not one of them is 'box to box'. Not one of them can beat a man. Not one of them is pacey. Not one of them is a ball player. Etc.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Des Little on March 14, 2016, 12:58:16 PM: First two names on my shopping list would be Peter Crouch and Ross McCormack.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: godzvilla on March 14, 2016, 01:32:10 PM: Quote from: mr underhill on March 11, 2016, 03:26:56 PM
is Mr Umpa Lumpa coming too ?

Assombalonga ?.....if so, hope so....................Godzvilla!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on March 24, 2016, 04:25:35 AM: I read yesterday on Newsnow that we are in talks with 32 year old Raul Miereles the former Liverpool and Chelsea player. If he still has it, could be a smart move.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on March 24, 2016, 06:19:06 AM: In the local newspapers Millwall are fighting off interest in young midfield enforcer Mahlon Romeos. Well we did nearly get Teddy off them.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on March 24, 2016, 07:51:43 AM: Quote from: Newby on March 24, 2016, 04:25:35 AM
I read yesterday on Newsnow that we are in talks with 32 year old Raul Miereles the former Liverpool and Chelsea player. If he still has it, could be a smart move.

If nothing else, he would bring one of the finer beards that football has to offer:

(http://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/14/2016/324x324/150016144.jpg)
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on March 24, 2016, 09:07:23 AM: Er, it's great to see he's tidied himself up a bit! Good player but I always thought he looked a bit rough. Not now though! Truly a thing of beauty, well, the beard anyway.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on March 24, 2016, 10:09:41 AM: Got to be signed just for the beard. What a beard!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on March 24, 2016, 10:21:55 AM: this is all getting a bit 50 shades of beard homoerotic
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on March 24, 2016, 10:36:15 AM: You have to be a little envious of that beard
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on March 24, 2016, 11:03:26 AM: He looks like an entry for the Hipster Bollocks thread.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 24, 2016, 11:53:27 AM: He appears a little mental doesn't he? I like that. He's a good player with bags of experience, but it's one of those stories that make sense while we have no certainty over the manager situation.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ian. on March 24, 2016, 07:22:55 PM: The beards very good but I'm not keen on the bleached comb over.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ldavfc4eva on March 24, 2016, 08:17:35 PM: Perhaps the sort of player we have been missing in midfield, always put a shift in and liked to get a tackle in too.

As usual with us we are signing him 3-5 years too late perhaps but as a solid central midfielder he would do the job, needs to have players either side who like to get forward though and have plenty of agility so our current lot would struggle!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on March 24, 2016, 08:42:16 PM: That beard is a fougazi. It is biologically impossible to have wispy bum fluff on your napper and a split horsehair sofa on your chops.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SirSteveUK on March 24, 2016, 08:46:47 PM: Quote from: FranzBiberkopf on March 11, 2016, 05:13:17 PM
Not one of them can beat a man.

I beg to differ - Gana has developed a Delph-like ability to go past men - he may have trouble with his passing, mind
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: olaftab on March 24, 2016, 08:49:37 PM: Quote from: FranzBiberkopf on March 11, 2016, 05:13:17 PM
Not one of them can beat a man.

That's illegal.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: LeeB on March 24, 2016, 08:51:02 PM: Quote from: olaftab on March 24, 2016, 08:49:37 PM

Quote from: FranzBiberkopf on March 11, 2016, 05:13:17 PM
Not one of them can beat a man.

That's illegal.

It's ok as long as money doesn't change hands.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on March 24, 2016, 08:54:19 PM: Quote from: LeeB on March 24, 2016, 08:51:02 PM
Quote from: olaftab on March 24, 2016, 08:49:37 PM

Quote from: FranzBiberkopf on March 11, 2016, 05:13:17 PM
Not one of them can beat a man.

That's illegal.

It's ok as long as money doesn't change hands.

R v Brown says otherwise.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on March 24, 2016, 10:13:38 PM: Quote from: Dave on March 24, 2016, 07:51:43 AM
Quote from: Newby on March 24, 2016, 04:25:35 AM
I read yesterday on Newsnow that we are in talks with 32 year old Raul Miereles the former Liverpool and Chelsea player. If he still has it, could be a smart move.

If nothing else, he would bring one of the finer beards that football has to offer:

(http://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/14/2016/324x324/150016144.jpg)

That's not a beard just a chinful of bees.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on March 24, 2016, 10:19:49 PM: If it comes off it'll be a bit of a coup and I might be able to look forward to him kicking the crap out of Joey Barton. Terms and conditions apply.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on March 24, 2016, 11:14:58 PM: I wouldn't mind Morrison on a free from the Bitters.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VancouverLion on March 25, 2016, 05:41:52 AM: What happened to the young lad Vydra at Watford? He was scoring for fun the season they were promoted, I remember seeing a stat he'd scored almost 40 goals in 2 seasons there.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave P on March 25, 2016, 06:26:37 AM: Quote from: VancouverLion on March 25, 2016, 05:41:52 AM
What happened to the young lad Vydra at Watford? He was scoring for fun the season they were promoted, I remember seeing a stat he'd scored almost 40 goals in 2 seasons there.

He's at Reading. Not sure how he is doing. Wasn't he at Albion for a bit too?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on March 25, 2016, 08:28:35 AM: How about offering Grealish on a loan deal to West Ham in exchange for Martin Samuelson their extremely skilful midfielder currently on loan at Peterborough.

and while we are on the subject of Peterborough. Jon Taylor looked like a winger we could use to supply Gestede. Fast and direct. A bit like Ray Graydon in size and skill.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: OCD on March 25, 2016, 11:25:34 AM: What benefit is there to get from having Grealish playing back up to Payet and Lanzini? Just look at getting Samuelson on loan next season if a) he's a good player (I've not seen him) and b) it's not going to block the path of anyone we might have coming through.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on March 25, 2016, 11:45:29 AM: Or just keep Grealish and look to add some quality around him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 25, 2016, 02:55:43 PM: I like what Sir Brian says about the types of player we need at Aston Villa. As he will be a key member of the football board I am looking forward to what this summer brings in terms of recruitment.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on March 25, 2016, 03:09:02 PM: Quote from: peter w on March 25, 2016, 11:45:29 AM
Or just keep Grealish and look to add some quality around him.

Yep. Grealish is a player that I hope will be a central part of the team next season. Two solid midfielders behind him, two quick wide players either side and a mobile forward with good movement in front of him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on March 25, 2016, 04:15:52 PM: if only we'd thought of that in June and July!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brontebilly on March 25, 2016, 09:17:55 PM: Darren Randolph very impressive again for Ireland tonight and has been for West Ham in the cup games I've seen this season. We could do a lot worse imo

Clark probably been the best Irish player on view again tonight.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on March 25, 2016, 09:26:35 PM: I'd never heard of Randolph before so looked him up. He's apparently played ninety-one times for Small Heath. Shows how much attention I pay to their games!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: eric woolban woolban on March 25, 2016, 09:33:51 PM: Well with our inevitable demise to the Championship, we need to bring in some up and coming youngsters from the lower leagues.

Rico Henry, Tom Bradshaw (Walsall)
Marcus Madison (Peterboro)
Will Greig (Wigan)

spring to mind.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on March 25, 2016, 09:36:03 PM: Not Jordany enough for my liking.

Bring back Bowery.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on March 25, 2016, 10:01:54 PM: Quote from: cdbullyweefan on March 25, 2016, 09:36:03 PM
Not Jordany enough for my liking.

Bring back Bowery.

The thought of Bowery back at Villa gives me the CBGBs
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ldavfc4eva on March 26, 2016, 07:01:40 AM: Bradshaw and Grigg aren't bad shouts for championship football. Always liked snodgrass at Hull if they don't go up too.

Marshall the Cardiff keeper in place of Guzan, if they would sell for a sensible price and again if they don't get promoted.

I wonder what the transfer policy will be though, do we try to attract premier league players or go for championship players to get us up, my opinion is a bit of both as long as they are good enough and in the case of Grigg and Bradshaw promoting talent from league one and see if they are good enough in the championship.

I think our French contingent way be more than good enough when we drop as long as we keep them, ditto Clark/Okore/Grealish and a few others.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Vegas on March 26, 2016, 07:39:38 AM: Quote from: UK Redsox on March 25, 2016, 10:01:54 PM
Quote from: cdbullyweefan on March 25, 2016, 09:36:03 PM
Not Jordany enough for my liking.

Bring back Bowery.

The thought of Bowery back at Villa gives me the CBGBs

Very nice
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: curiousorange on March 26, 2016, 11:00:29 AM: Grigg was brilliant at Walsall.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: class-of-82 on March 26, 2016, 11:09:10 AM: Duffy the Blackburn centre back seems to be in the same sort of mould of a Chris Nicholl,Evans mellberg type player we could do with now
Piece of cake this managerial lark
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Nastylee on March 26, 2016, 01:16:56 PM: The reason I don't want a second rate manager such as Pulis or Pearson is because they will populate the squad with Championship level cloggers. They could well achieve promotion but the squad would be woefully inadequate and would need another rebuild. Far better to have a few experienced heads along with some players that can grow.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: The Man With A Stick on March 26, 2016, 02:16:20 PM: Quote from: class-of-82 on March 26, 2016, 11:09:10 AM
Duffy the Blackburn centre back seems to be in the same sort of mould of a Chris Nicholl,Evans mellberg type player we could do with now
Piece of cake this managerial lark

The Blackburn manager, I forget his name, would probably want £40m off us if he's half decent.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on March 26, 2016, 02:30:05 PM: I'm sure that if Blackburn have any good defenders, Lambert will coach it out of them soon enough.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: eamonn on March 26, 2016, 04:12:42 PM: Quote from: UK Redsox on March 25, 2016, 10:01:54 PM
Quote from: cdbullyweefan on March 25, 2016, 09:36:03 PM
Not Jordany enough for my liking.

Bring back Bowery.

The thought of Bowery back at Villa gives me the CBGBs

What about TVC15?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Virgil Caine on March 26, 2016, 06:38:13 PM: I wouldn't say no to Big Bum Barry being signed for a couple of years. His experience and professionalism would serve us well- whether he would take a pay cut is another thing and I dare say that he may well end up in the MLS for a couple of seasons.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on March 26, 2016, 06:44:29 PM: Quote from: Mon Pied Gauche on March 26, 2016, 06:38:13 PM
I wouldn't say no to Big Bum Barry being signed for a couple of years.

I think he would.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: class-of-82 on March 26, 2016, 10:13:24 PM: Don't think the Blackburn players can understand mr mumbles for him to coach anything out of them
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on March 27, 2016, 10:56:54 PM: Quote from: cdbullyweefan on March 26, 2016, 06:44:29 PM
Quote from: Mon Pied Gauche on March 26, 2016, 06:38:13 PM
I wouldn't say no to Big Bum Barry being signed for a couple of years.

I think he would.
I was surprised Downing ended up back at Boro so soon after having actually had his best season in a while at West Ham. At Barry's age I'd love it if he could be tempted to take the drop to lead us up. He probably won't.

If we get Moyes it would help our cause. In addition I think Leon Osman would be a good signing.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on March 27, 2016, 11:00:52 PM: Anyone tempted by The Scottish Messi returning?? Finally fulfilling his potential at Wednesday. They love him there apparently. They're doing quite well but maybe he'll be tempted to come back if we put a good offer in. I think he's a class act at that level.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: spangley1812 on March 27, 2016, 11:03:11 PM: There is a Northern Irish Full Back @ Fleetwood who is worth a look at
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Richard on March 27, 2016, 11:03:34 PM: No to Bannan
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 28, 2016, 12:17:15 AM: It was never about his ability. It was 100% to do with his attitude. We saw flashes or glimpses of it and thought we might have had something special but he often managed to let himself down. I'm glad he's found a spot to develop and possibly mature. Young Jack needs to put his head down and avoid missing out on opportunities like Barry Bannan. It would be a huge shame if he had to bounce between clubs and lose several good playing years before realizing what he has.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on March 28, 2016, 01:21:34 AM: Quote from: Toronto Villa on March 28, 2016, 12:17:15 AM
It was never about his ability. It was 100% to do with his attitude. We saw flashes or glimpses of it and thought we might have had something special but he often managed to let himself down. I'm glad he's found a spot to develop and possibly mature. Young Jack needs to put his head down and avoid missing out on opportunities like Barry Bannan. It would be a huge shame if he had to bounce between clubs and lose several good playing years before realizing what he has.
Hopefully for Bannan's sake he's finally knuckled down. He seems to at least have found consistency. Very talented player.
Next season is going to be key for Grealish. He can't start getting silly and pushing for a move. A year in the championship, playing every week, out of the limelight will do him good.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Holte L2 on March 28, 2016, 08:33:49 AM: Quote from: supertom on March 28, 2016, 01:21:34 AM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on March 28, 2016, 12:17:15 AM
It was never about his ability. It was 100% to do with his attitude. We saw flashes or glimpses of it and thought we might have had something special but he often managed to let himself down. I'm glad he's found a spot to develop and possibly mature. Young Jack needs to put his head down and avoid missing out on opportunities like Barry Bannan. It would be a huge shame if he had to bounce between clubs and lose several good playing years before realizing what he has.
Hopefully for Bannan's sake he's finally knuckled down. He seems to at least have found consistency. Very talented player.
Next season is going to be key for Grealish. He can't start getting silly and pushing for a move. A year in the championship, playing every week, out of the limelight will do him good.

I saw Bannan at The Cheltenham Gold Cup on the Friday. He was with his mates. Couldn't confirm if he was drinking.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on March 28, 2016, 08:52:34 AM: Quote from: supertom on March 27, 2016, 11:00:52 PM
Anyone tempted by The Scottish Messi returning?? Finally fulfilling his potential at Wednesday. They love him there apparently. They're doing quite well but maybe he'll be tempted to come back if we put a good offer in. I think he's a class act at that level.

not in the slightest
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on March 28, 2016, 11:36:21 AM: Quote from: Holte L2 on March 28, 2016, 08:33:49 AM
Quote from: supertom on March 28, 2016, 01:21:34 AM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on March 28, 2016, 12:17:15 AM
It was never about his ability. It was 100% to do with his attitude. We saw flashes or glimpses of it and thought we might have had something special but he often managed to let himself down. I'm glad he's found a spot to develop and possibly mature. Young Jack needs to put his head down and avoid missing out on opportunities like Barry Bannan. It would be a huge shame if he had to bounce between clubs and lose several good playing years before realizing what he has.
Hopefully for Bannan's sake he's finally knuckled down. He seems to at least have found consistency. Very talented player.
Next season is going to be key for Grealish. He can't start getting silly and pushing for a move. A year in the championship, playing every week, out of the limelight will do him good.

I saw Bannan at The Cheltenham Gold Cup on the Friday. He was with his mates. Couldn't confirm if he was drinking.
As long as he wasn't throwing his piss around he's alright.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on March 28, 2016, 11:36:54 AM: Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on March 28, 2016, 08:52:34 AM
Quote from: supertom on March 27, 2016, 11:00:52 PM
Anyone tempted by The Scottish Messi returning?? Finally fulfilling his potential at Wednesday. They love him there apparently. They're doing quite well but maybe he'll be tempted to come back if we put a good offer in. I think he's a class act at that level.

not in the slightest
I miss the term "hollywood pass."
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on March 28, 2016, 11:41:11 AM: Off the pitch he didn't do himself any favours, but I thought Bannan was a decent player and didn't deserve the over the top stick he got when he was here.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tayls_7 on March 28, 2016, 12:24:20 PM: Quote from: Clampy on March 28, 2016, 11:41:11 AM
Off the pitch he didn't do himself any favours, but I thought Bannan was a decent player and didn't deserve the over the top stick he got when he was here.

Caveat. This was back in the halcyon days when we only had very low expectations. Things have unraveled rapidly since then.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: godzvilla on March 28, 2016, 03:17:13 PM: I like Dominic Iorfa the Wolves defender , represented England Under-18 , Under-20 & the Under-21 level. Looks like a very good prospect, pacy , big, strong & versatile. Realistically, though, he will probably be snapped up by a Premier Club at seasons end......Godzvilla!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: barrysleftfoot on March 28, 2016, 03:46:22 PM: Bannans better than Westwood.

Iorfa is a Curtis Davis kind of player, could either be brilliant, or a complete wast of money, but i think he would be worth a gamble.

Would buy Nakhi Wells and Dwight Gayle for next season
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ldavfc4eva on March 28, 2016, 06:55:48 PM: Front three of wells and Gayle either side of Gestede would be pretty decent in the championship, lots of pace and then the height of Gestede. Then Kozak to come back too, if we can keep Ayew that would be a massive bonus but can see him going back to France or a middle of the road premier league club.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on March 29, 2016, 12:31:59 AM: Watching that video all it did was make me think Grealish, Traore, Veretout and even Westwood are going to be a class apart from most championship sides in the right formation, and that if we can keep hold of 3-4 of our better players and shed the fucking wasters like the 2 captains who are having a rest after such a hard season in some night club in Dubai, then we will be fine.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on March 29, 2016, 01:45:36 AM: Quote from: ozzjim on March 29, 2016, 12:31:59 AM
Watching that video all it did was make me think Grealish, Traore, Veretout and even Westwood are going to be a class apart from most championship sides in the right formation, and that if we can keep hold of 3-4 of our better players and shed the fucking wasters like the 2 captains who are having a rest after such a hard season in some night club in Dubai, then we will be fine.

After a goalkeeper, next priority should be building a back four and a midfielder or two in front of them that will give us a solid platform in the division.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on March 29, 2016, 01:48:10 AM: Quote from: godzvilla on March 28, 2016, 03:17:13 PM
I like Dominic Iorfa the Wolves defender , represented England Under-18 , Under-20 & the Under-21 level. Looks like a very good prospect, pacy , big, strong & versatile. Realistically, though, he will probably be snapped up by a Premier Club at seasons end......Godzvilla!

I'm not sure a young, fairly inexperienced defender is what we need. We could do with a more experienced, leader type (someone like James Collins but obviously without his past issues at the club).
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on March 29, 2016, 06:41:30 AM: The clear and present danger to the Villa manager whoever it might be is what is to be done with the inferior players on long contracts. In an ideal world they would have their contracts paid up and they will be shipped out. We will not have the funds to do that so some form of loan compromise beckons.

The full problem is that the contractually most embedded players are at the he root of dressing room discontent. The very first thing, repeat, very first thing that must happen is the purging of the dressing room.

I don't think it was a coincidence that we showed an upturn in form with Agbonlahor and Richards omitted from the side. Garde incomprehensibly let them and Lescott and Guzan back into the team, Liverpool happened and Garde was toast.

Bomb Squad Mk 2 may well materialise in disguise. Gardening Club perhaps.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: old man villa fan on March 29, 2016, 07:18:01 AM: For me, the ones that have to go are N'Zogbia, Richardson (both end of contracts), Richards, Gabby, Guzan and Hutton. Hopefully, there will be somebody interested in him and we might actually make some money on him. I would then use this to part pay off Gabby. We need to get rid of Guzan and Hutton as they are too limited in positions that we need to build some strength.

There are others like Bacuna, Westwood, Baker, Gill and Sanchez that I would let go if we could get some money for them. I would like to see Gestede go but I fear that it would be at too big a loss. Therefore, he would offer better value as back up.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on March 29, 2016, 07:20:49 AM: Richards might move on but Agbonlahor is unshiftable(if there is such a word)the only thing they can do is pay up the remaining two years of his contract and get him out of the club.Lerner will be reluctant to do that of course but it is the only answer.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: olaftab on March 29, 2016, 08:00:29 AM: People think of some players who have not played for us and do not have Barry in their name. We need to start again not stick it back together with no nails.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sickbeggar on March 29, 2016, 08:34:26 AM: Quote from: brian green on March 29, 2016, 06:41:30 AM
The clear and present danger to the Villa manager whoever it might be is what is to be done with the inferior players on long contracts. In an ideal world they would have their contracts paid up and they will be shipped out. We will not have the funds to do that so some form of loan compromise beckons.

The full problem is that the contractually most embedded players are at the he root of dressing room discontent. The very first thing, repeat, very first thing that must happen is the purging of the dressing room.

I don't think it was a coincidence that we showed an upturn in form with Agbonlahor and Richards omitted from the side. Garde incomprehensibly let them and Lescott and Guzan back into the team, Liverpool happened and Garde was toast.

Bomb Squad Mk 2 may well materialise in disguise. Gardening Club perhaps.

Is there dressing room discontent? Apart from a few rumours i've not seen much evidence of it. Yes the players mentioned have been awful, but then so have the rest. Now if they're past it, or not upto the championship by all means get rid if we can, but if its a case of players demotivated by the squad being steadily weakened by sales of players not replaced by board policy and a string of god-awful managerial appointments then maybe its up to a new guy to assess them? I would say not one of the senior players come out with any credit this season for attitude with maybe the exception the Hutton, but its not really just a problem with them is it? NO-ONE seems to want to play for Garde. I think ability wise most of the players could do a job in the championship and selecting the right ones will be the biggest challenge for the new guy, because like it or not, he'll have to use a lot of them. And if there is cliques or discontent in the dressing room, I'm not sure a new bomb squad is going to help matters....
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SheffieldVillain on March 29, 2016, 09:55:17 AM: Quote from: sickbeggar on March 29, 2016, 08:34:26 AM
Is there dressing room discontent? Apart from a few rumours i've not seen much evidence of it. Yes the players mentioned have been awful, but then so have the rest. Now if they're past it, or not upto the championship by all means get rid if we can, but if its a case of players demotivated by the squad being steadily weakened by sales of players not replaced by board policy and a string of god-awful managerial appointments then maybe its up to a new guy to assess them? I would say not one of the senior players come out with any credit this season for attitude with maybe the exception the Hutton, but its not really just a problem with them is it? NO-ONE seems to want to play for Garde. I think ability wise most of the players could do a job in the championship and selecting the right ones will be the biggest challenge for the new guy, because like it or not, he'll have to use a lot of them. And if there is cliques or discontent in the dressing room, I'm not sure a new bomb squad is going to help matters....

Lescott - messing around on Twitter
Guzan & Lescott - the chewing gum rubbish
Richards - the comments about the French players

No, it's not just the senior players who've played badly, but they are the ones who the younger ones look to as an example. And they're a bad example.

And as for 'NO-ONE' seeming to want to play for Garde, they didn't seem to want to play for Lambert, Sherwood (save for about four games last season), McDonald or in some cases McLeish and Houllier either. How about they play for their sizeable wages instead? What makes you think that dropping down into the championship is going to make them want to start to play?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on March 29, 2016, 04:34:00 PM: Quote from: barrysleftfoot on March 28, 2016, 03:46:22 PM
Would buy Nakhi Wells and Dwight Gayle for next season

After seeing the pics of Gayle hanging out with Richards and Agbonlahor, I wouldn't want him anywhere near the Villa.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sickbeggar on March 29, 2016, 06:41:37 PM: Quote from: SheffieldVillain on March 29, 2016, 09:55:17 AM
Quote from: sickbeggar on March 29, 2016, 08:34:26 AM
Is there dressing room discontent? Apart from a few rumours i've not seen much evidence of it. Yes the players mentioned have been awful, but then so have the rest. Now if they're past it, or not upto the championship by all means get rid if we can, but if its a case of players demotivated by the squad being steadily weakened by sales of players not replaced by board policy and a string of god-awful managerial appointments then maybe its up to a new guy to assess them? I would say not one of the senior players come out with any credit this season for attitude with maybe the exception the Hutton, but its not really just a problem with them is it? NO-ONE seems to want to play for Garde. I think ability wise most of the players could do a job in the championship and selecting the right ones will be the biggest challenge for the new guy, because like it or not, he'll have to use a lot of them. And if there is cliques or discontent in the dressing room, I'm not sure a new bomb squad is going to help matters....

Lescott - messing around on Twitter
Guzan & Lescott - the chewing gum rubbish
Richards - the comments about the French players

No, it's not just the senior players who've played badly, but they are the ones who the younger ones look to as an example. And they're a bad example.

And as for 'NO-ONE' seeming to want to play for Garde, they didn't seem to want to play for Lambert, Sherwood (save for about four games last season), McDonald or in some cases McLeish and Houllier either. How about they play for their sizeable wages instead? What makes you think that dropping down into the championship is going to make them want to start to play?

Well i'm not sure any of that classes as dressing room discontent really.. Players acting unprofessionally maybe but to be honest we seen that every season on and off from MON's time, but signs that they're deliberately causing trouble? Don't think so
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SheffieldVillain on March 30, 2016, 01:35:27 AM: Quote from: sickbeggar on March 29, 2016, 06:41:37 PM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on March 29, 2016, 09:55:17 AM
Quote from: sickbeggar on March 29, 2016, 08:34:26 AM
Is there dressing room discontent? Apart from a few rumours i've not seen much evidence of it. Yes the players mentioned have been awful, but then so have the rest. Now if they're past it, or not upto the championship by all means get rid if we can, but if its a case of players demotivated by the squad being steadily weakened by sales of players not replaced by board policy and a string of god-awful managerial appointments then maybe its up to a new guy to assess them? I would say not one of the senior players come out with any credit this season for attitude with maybe the exception the Hutton, but its not really just a problem with them is it? NO-ONE seems to want to play for Garde. I think ability wise most of the players could do a job in the championship and selecting the right ones will be the biggest challenge for the new guy, because like it or not, he'll have to use a lot of them. And if there is cliques or discontent in the dressing room, I'm not sure a new bomb squad is going to help matters....

Lescott - messing around on Twitter
Guzan & Lescott - the chewing gum rubbish
Richards - the comments about the French players

No, it's not just the senior players who've played badly, but they are the ones who the younger ones look to as an example. And they're a bad example.

And as for 'NO-ONE' seeming to want to play for Garde, they didn't seem to want to play for Lambert, Sherwood (save for about four games last season), McDonald or in some cases McLeish and Houllier either. How about they play for their sizeable wages instead? What makes you think that dropping down into the championship is going to make them want to start to play?

Well i'm not sure any of that classes as dressing room discontent really.. Players acting unprofessionally maybe but to be honest we seen that every season on and off from MON's time, but signs that they're deliberately causing trouble? Don't think so

As you've said
- Is there dressing room discontent?
and
- NO-ONE seems to want to play for Garde
in the same post, how in the world is that not dressing room discontent if the shite performances are because they don't 'want' to play for the (ex) manager? (Or any other manager since O'Neill)

Which one is it? No dressing room discontent or are/were they discontented with Garde?
Title: A new spine for the Championship
Post by: Loxton01 on April 02, 2016, 07:29:25 PM: If we have any chance next season we must build a spine of experience for the Championship. There will be players out of contract and also ones not getting much game time who we must be targeting right now!!! There are some players from the below who could do a job in a very tough league. Id go for ones in Bold

Goalkeepers

David Marshall - Cardiff, Julian Speroni - Palace, Boruc - Bournemouth

Defenders

Damian Delaney - Palace, Brede Hangland - Palace, McAuley - WBA, Hibbert - Everton, Joey O Brien - West Ham, Marcin Wasilewski - Leicester, Marc Wilson Stoke

Midfielders

Morrison - WBA, Tettey - Norwich , Gary O Neil - Norwich, Gibson - Everton, Osman - Everton, Pienarr - Everton. Carrick - MAn Utd (dream)

Attackers

Sessengon - WBA

Along with the some of the highlighted above players out there who aren't getting game time

Crouch, Adam - Stoke

Dyer - Swansea (Leicester)

There must be others too - we have to start somewhere as I cant face watching those idiots again
Title: Re: A new spine for the Championship
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 02, 2016, 07:31:27 PM: See, I thought we needed to build us a side to get us out of the championship, not stay in it.
Title: Re: A new spine for the Championship
Post by: andyh on April 02, 2016, 07:33:10 PM: Yes, the club needs to find a spine for next season.
Title: Re: A new spine for the Championship
Post by: Steve67 on April 02, 2016, 07:45:11 PM: Surgery will be needed but I would rather spend sensibly and only bring in, say three players of quality than do what we did last summer. Hindsight is a wonderful thing I guess. We need a keeper, centre half, central midfielder for certain. If there is to be a fourth, then a striker to play off Gestede. I suspect that we may be looking at one or two free transfers for next season perhaps. I saw recently that we were linked to Miereles, the former Chelsea and Liverpool player. Yes please.
Title: Re: A new spine for the Championship
Post by: Stirchley Villain on April 02, 2016, 07:51:54 PM: Quote from: Newby on April 02, 2016, 07:45:11 PM
Surgery will be needed but I would rather spend sensibly and only bring in, say three players of quality than do what we did last summer. Hindsight is a wonderful thing I guess. We need a keeper, centre half, central midfielder for certain. If there is to be a fourth, then a striker to play off Gestede. I suspect that we may be looking at one or two free transfers for next season perhaps. I saw recently that we were linked to Miereles, the former Chelsea and Liverpool player. Yes please.

Unfortunately there's only 5 or so of our squad who it would be prudent to keep. I do understand that getting rid of the dross will be difficult, but 3 players won't be enough. We need at least 10 new faces of sufficient quality to save this sinking ship.
Title: Re: A new spine for the Championship
Post by: wittonwarrior on April 02, 2016, 07:52:22 PM: Quote from: Loxton01 on April 02, 2016, 07:29:25 PM
If we have any chance next season we must build a spine of experience for the Championship. There will be players out of contract and also ones not getting much game time who we must be targeting right now!!! There are some players from the below who could do a job in a very tough league. Id go for ones in Bold

Goalkeepers

David Marshall - Cardiff, Julian Speroni - Palace, Boruc - Bournemouth

Defenders

Damian Delaney - Palace, Brede Hangland - Palace, McAuley - WBA, Hibbert - Everton, Joey O Brien - West Ham, Marcin Wasilewski - Leicester, Marc Wilson Stoke

Midfielders

Morrison - WBA, Tettey - Norwich , Gary O Neil - Norwich, Gibson - Everton, Osman - Everton, Pienarr - Everton. Carrick - MAn Utd (dream)

Attackers

Sessengon - WBA

Along with the some of the highlighted above players out there who aren't getting game time

Crouch, Adam - Stoke

Dyer - Swansea (Leicester)

There must be others too - we have to start somewhere as I cant face watching those idiots again

I would not normally disrespect a posters comments - 3 people go the match have 4 opinions but some of the players mentioned well:

Hibbert played perhaps one game last 2 seasons, Crouch not a lot more, Gibson is a cripple, Carrick would be like that ginger one that went from Man Utd to Newcastle cant remember his name but would look ordinary, wouldnt take anyone from Norwich.

Players we need to look at are the likes of Heaton from Burnley if they dont go up, Rhodes at Middlesborough again if they dont go up, Kennedy from Chelsea and one or two other loan signings from the likes of Chelsea, Arsenal etc.

We can get out of this mess as long as we look outside of the box
Title: Re: A new spine for the Championship
Post by: tomd2103 on April 02, 2016, 07:55:32 PM: Quote from: Newby on April 02, 2016, 07:45:11 PM
Surgery will be needed but I would rather spend sensibly and only bring in, say three players of quality than do what we did last summer. Hindsight is a wonderful thing I guess. We need a keeper, centre half, central midfielder for certain. If there is to be a fourth, then a striker to play off Gestede. I suspect that we may be looking at one or two free transfers for next season perhaps. I saw recently that we were linked to Miereles, the former Chelsea and Liverpool player. Yes please.

I hope we can persuade the French players to stay as they are amongst the few I would consider keeping. If they go then we are looking at a total rebuild.
Title: Re: A new spine for the Championship
Post by: Loxton01 on April 02, 2016, 07:59:30 PM: I posted this outlining the free transfers available to the club as I do think there are bargains to be had. Experience around our younger players and the French we keep. To think we are going to get the likes of kenedy on loan, players from Arsenal given the way we have removed a lot of ex Arsenal staff (Fox/Garde) is complete dreamland

Id rather try to tempt Carrick - who I expect we are unlikely to get than have sanchez and sidewood trying to operate next season. Tettey is a solid player who not be brushed off the ball next season. Waswileski will be a no nonsense defender just the sort we need in that league. Id rather have carrick, Morrison and tettey as my midfield than the dross we have currently.

Yes players like Osman and hibbert are risky injuries wise but I think money is going to be sparse so to think we are going to be able to buy the likes of Rhodes heaton etc - you are in total dreamland.
Title: Re: A new spine for the Championship
Post by: Steve67 on April 02, 2016, 08:05:13 PM: Loxton, with all due respect, can we stop with the 'total dreamland' comments. It pisses me off that someone else has a different opinion and therefore must be a dreamer etc. Carrick wanting to come to Villa is equally as fanciful as the Rhodes/Heaton suggestions but it doesn't make other people's opinions less valid. I respect your opinion that you think we mighty get Carrick, great player, would be ideal.
Title: Re: A new spine for the Championship
Post by: wittonwarrior on April 02, 2016, 08:13:38 PM: I think we should all turn scouts and visit our local pitches tomorrow. At present the only player I can see who may be interested in the Villa would be the likes of Annicebe - frightening thought.
Title: Re: A new spine for the Championship
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 02, 2016, 08:14:58 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 02, 2016, 07:31:27 PM
See, I thought we needed to build us a side to get us out of the championship, not stay in it.
my thoughts exactly
Title: Re: A new spine for the Championship
Post by: croatian on April 02, 2016, 08:17:17 PM: Quote from: Newby on April 02, 2016, 07:45:11 PM
Surgery will be needed but I would rather spend sensibly and only bring in, say three players of quality than do what we did last summer. Hindsight is a wonderful thing I guess. We need a keeper, centre half, central midfielder for certain. If there is to be a fourth, then a striker to play off Gestede. I suspect that we may be looking at one or two free transfers for next season perhaps. I saw recently that we were linked to Miereles, the former Chelsea and Liverpool player. Yes please.
I fucking give up with some Villa fans. Three signings and some free transfers are going to turn things round are they?
We need surgery do we? We're terminal and you seem to think treatment for an ingrown toenail will sort everything?
Sorry mate, nothing personal.
I'm just angry.
Title: Re: A new spine for the Championship
Post by: clash city rocker on April 02, 2016, 08:18:39 PM: Let's face it..we just have to cut our cloth accordingly. Unfortunately with the outstanding contracts we will be reduced to polyester not silk or wool.
Title: Re: A new spine for the Championship
Post by: in exile on April 02, 2016, 08:24:12 PM: Quote from: croatian on April 02, 2016, 08:17:17 PM
I fucking give up with some Villa fans. Three signings and some free transfers are going to turn things round are they?
We need surgery do we? We're terminal and you seem to think treatment for an ingrown toenail will sort everything?
Sorry mate, nothing personal.
I'm just angry.
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Ok, keep being angry and give us, in your opinion, you answer to the problems
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sickbeggar on April 02, 2016, 08:30:10 PM: To bring in 5 premiership class players would be the best part of 30m minimum plus god knows what in wages. Not going to happen and even if the money was there, they wouldn't bloody come. We'll be looking at Championship players because thats who we can attract and who we can afford
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: croatian on April 02, 2016, 08:56:39 PM: Quote from: in exile on April 02, 2016, 08:24:12 PM
Quote from: croatian on April 02, 2016, 08:17:17 PM
I fucking give up with some Villa fans. Three signings and some free transfers are going to turn things round are they?
We need surgery do we? We're terminal and you seem to think treatment for an ingrown toenail will sort everything?
Sorry mate, nothing personal.
I'm just angry.
Ok, keep being angry and give us, in your opinion, you answer to the problems
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OK, you're probably right.
I shouldn't be angry?
No Villa fan should be angry in the current circumstances?
My answers?
Pay me a million quid a year and I won't recruit young, hungry and inadequate players from lower divisions.
Or recruit too comfortable gutless,inadequate losers.
Or tolerate a poisonous and toxic dressing room.
Or appoint people to senior positions who think the answer to all our problems is to sell more shirts.

You want more?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 02, 2016, 08:59:29 PM: Charlie Adam would be a good pick up.

Not involved much for Stoke at the minute but was in good form for them a while ago and if we're looking for that Nolan type who can score 10-15 from midfield down there think he's as good an option as any.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on April 02, 2016, 09:03:01 PM: Croatian, I think it's fair to say that we are all angry. No one on this forum, unless they are trolls, have really enjoyed watching the shower of shit that has been produced this season. Until now, there has been nobody on the board with the football nous to turn this around. In Brian Little and David Bernstein we can at least have a little faith and hope that they get the appointment right. Try to turn around what is a club seemingly in terminal decline. Once the Manager is appointed, then we can start to ditch the shit and try to identify the players to get us back up, and keep us in the Premier Division.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: croatian on April 02, 2016, 09:09:13 PM: Aye mate,
I'm sure you're right.
Think I need a few vodkas to calm the beast.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on April 03, 2016, 01:10:55 PM: Quote from: SoccerHQ on April 02, 2016, 08:59:29 PM
Charlie Adam would be a good pick up.

Not involved much for Stoke at the minute but was in good form for them a while ago and if we're looking for that Nolan type who can score 10-15 from midfield down there think he's as good an option as any.

Agree completely. I think he would be a good leader to have in the side too.

I would still go and get Jedinak off Palace too, and if that Polish defender with the beard at Leicester is let go have him too. I know all 3 are over 30, but we need some experience and players that have some battle in them. I think 3-4 players in an ideal world would be perfect. But it's not ideal. And we are carrying soooo much excess baggage!

Realistic Squad from what will be left:

Out: Guzan, Cissokho, Richards, Lescott, Bacuna, Veretout, Gueye, Sanchez, Gil, Ayew, Agbonlahor, Crespo,

Assuming we play 4-3-3 or 4-4-2

Leaving:

GK: Steer, Bunn Need - 1
RB: Need - 2
LB: Amavi, Bennett Need - 0
CB: Clark, Okore, Baker Need - 1
DM: Westwood Lyden Need - Maybe 1
CM: Gardner Need - 1
AM: Grealish Need - 1
Wide: Traore, Greene, Sinclair Need - 0
CF: Gestede, Robinson Need - 2

I have probably forgotten people, but I reckon we need about 8 players. If we can pick up 3-4 solid players that know that league for 8-10m in total, any other budget should go on strikers. Burnley spent their money on Gray and it was an inspired decision. We need someone like him, or Callum Wilson, that will run all day in behind. Pace wins games even more than it does in the premier league, which is why I have kept Traore in there.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Pete3206 on April 03, 2016, 01:15:03 PM: Would anyone take Crouch for a season or two?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tayls_7 on April 03, 2016, 01:17:08 PM: Quote from: Pete3206 on April 03, 2016, 01:15:03 PM
Would anyone take Crouch for a season or two?

Yes.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SheffieldVillain on April 03, 2016, 01:28:19 PM: Out as a priority: Guzan, Hutton, Richardson, Lescott, Richards, N'Zogbia, Agbonlahor, Gestede

Out if we can: Bunn, Bacuna, Crespo, Cissokho, Westwood, Sanchez, Sinclair, Gil, Kozak

Some of these will obviously leave, but if we can keep them I would. Equally, it's unlikely we'll get rid of all of the above.
GK: New Signing, Steer, Youth Team Keeper
RB: New Signing, New Signing
LB: Amavi, Bennett
CB: New Signing, Clark, Okore, Baker, Donacien
CM: New Signing, New Signing, Veretout, Gana, Gardner, Lyden
AM/Wide: Grealish, Traore, Greene
CF: Ayew, New Signing, New Signing, Robinson, Sellars/Davis/Hepburn-Murphy

The four biggest signings need to be right through the middle of the team - GK, CB, energetic CM, proper CF.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: eddiemunster on April 03, 2016, 01:31:49 PM: Quote from: SheffieldVillain on April 03, 2016, 01:28:19 PM
The four biggest signings need to be right through the middle of the team - GK, CB, energetic CM, proper CF.

This is unfortunately what we have been lacking, not just this season, but the last 5 IMHO.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 03, 2016, 01:32:28 PM: When you look at how many players we need to or would like to get rid of, it looks almost impossible to me.
And that is assuming the finances are available, which I doubt.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SheffieldVillain on April 03, 2016, 01:34:56 PM: Quote from: eddiemunster on April 03, 2016, 01:31:49 PM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on April 03, 2016, 01:28:19 PM
The four biggest signings need to be right through the middle of the team - GK, CB, energetic CM, proper CF.

This is unfortunately what we have been lacking, not just this season, but the last 5 IMHO.

I disagree. Up until this season we had Vlaar, Delph, Benteke. That's a Premier League spine of the team but they desperately needed help. This season we had that spine removed and the players who would have fitted around them came in not to help them but to replace them.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 03, 2016, 01:44:37 PM: I think Marshall, Will Keane, Jedinak and Nathan Dyer would be 4 excellent additions. Not sure how realistic any of them are, but the first 3 would give us a spine and Dyer would give us much needed width. They'd also be good enough for the top flight assuming we got up.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on April 03, 2016, 02:20:34 PM: Whoever the next Manager is, he is going to need to bring in one or two leaders. I spotted Ivanovic having a pop and Westwood yesterday because 'the pointer' kicked one of the Chelsea players. Not one Villa player defended Westwood or got involved. I have played for teams where we would all get involved and stick up for each other. We need at least three leaders in there for next season, right down the spine of the team. Adam and Crouch, great shouts by the way, would be two of them. I also think we need a gnarled up centre back to take command of our back four. If we can keep Ayew and Gana, they will benefit from having better leaders around them too.

If possible, I'd like to keep Grealish, Amavi, Okore, Gana, Ayew, Gestede (as I think that's HIS standard), Traore, Veretout. The rest, I would accept offers for if we are able to shift them. I doubt they will all go to be fair. We also may have the likes of Baker, Bennett, Steer, Lyden, Crespo, Gil, Sinclair and Sissokho around the squad too. I wonder if Sissokho might be better with Amavi in front of him?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on April 03, 2016, 02:23:41 PM: Amavi isn't going to be able to teach Cissokho how to kick a football.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: villasjf on April 03, 2016, 02:27:53 PM: I thought that Crespo had been sold, he is not showing on our squad but on wiki it says he is ours out on loan to Rayo Vallicano another awful signing 29 going on 40.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on April 03, 2016, 02:29:49 PM: Marshall, Jedinak and Dyer I agree on, not seen much of Will Keane. I would hope we go and get Bamford on loan though as he might be one we could rely on for goals.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: DaveD on April 03, 2016, 03:48:19 PM: Quote from: SheffieldVillain on April 03, 2016, 01:34:56 PM
Quote from: eddiemunster on April 03, 2016, 01:31:49 PM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on April 03, 2016, 01:28:19 PM
The four biggest signings need to be right through the middle of the team - GK, CB, energetic CM, proper CF.

This is unfortunately what we have been lacking, not just this season, but the last 5 IMHO.

I disagree. Up until this season we had Vlaar, Delph, Benteke. That's a Premier League spine of the team but they desperately needed help. This season we had that spine removed and the players who would have fitted around them came in not to help them but to replace them.

My feelings exactly.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ian. on April 03, 2016, 10:20:16 PM: Quote from: DaveD on April 03, 2016, 03:48:19 PM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on April 03, 2016, 01:34:56 PM
Quote from: eddiemunster on April 03, 2016, 01:31:49 PM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on April 03, 2016, 01:28:19 PM
The four biggest signings need to be right through the middle of the team - GK, CB, energetic CM, proper CF.

This is unfortunately what we have been lacking, not just this season, but the last 5 IMHO.

I disagree. Up until this season we had Vlaar, Delph, Benteke. That's a Premier League spine of the team but they desperately needed help. This season we had that spine removed and the players who would have fitted around them came in not to help them but to replace them.

My feelings exactly.
Which begs the question, why the fuck didn't Tim sign a first choice goalkeeper and striker?
I don't believe Bunn and Gestede were bought as starting 11 players.
That was a monumental cock up.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: AVFC Tom on April 03, 2016, 10:55:36 PM: We shouldn't be getting rid of Gil or Gestede. Gil hasn't been the player we thought he may have been and we can now clearly see why Sherwood dropped him last season. We can see he has quality and with good players around him, he could be sensational, unfortunately he has been playing alongside the worst villa side I have ever seen and Gil isn't a player you can rely on - more of a luxury.
Rudy has been dreadful this season, but he scored 20 goals the last season he was in the Championship; in a Blackburn side that only finished 9th. He can't really play with his feet, but he is good in the air and it would be a mistake letting him go.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: OCD on April 03, 2016, 11:15:21 PM: Quote from: Ian J on April 03, 2016, 10:20:16 PM
Quote from: DaveD on April 03, 2016, 03:48:19 PM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on April 03, 2016, 01:34:56 PM
Quote from: eddiemunster on April 03, 2016, 01:31:49 PM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on April 03, 2016, 01:28:19 PM
The four biggest signings need to be right through the middle of the team - GK, CB, energetic CM, proper CF.

This is unfortunately what we have been lacking, not just this season, but the last 5 IMHO.

I disagree. Up until this season we had Vlaar, Delph, Benteke. That's a Premier League spine of the team but they desperately needed help. This season we had that spine removed and the players who would have fitted around them came in not to help them but to replace them.

My feelings exactly.
Which begs the question, why the fuck didn't Tim sign a first choice goalkeeper and striker?
I don't believe Bunn and Gestede were bought as starting 11 players.
That was a monumental cock up.

This investigation has shown what a mess the club's structure was. In hindsight, it seems like last summer was a mess of players Reilly wanted and one's Sherwood wanted and we ended up with a mixture of both and then the budget being blown.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 03, 2016, 11:17:26 PM: Get Danny Ings
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on April 03, 2016, 11:20:38 PM: Quote from: Toronto Villa on April 03, 2016, 11:17:26 PM
Get Danny Ings
Good shout that. I think if we had Moyes in charge we could get someone like Ings to drop to the championship.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: OCD on April 03, 2016, 11:22:13 PM: He might have a future with Liverpool - hard to tell with him being out for the season with a cruciate.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on April 03, 2016, 11:24:24 PM: Quote from: OCD on April 03, 2016, 11:22:13 PM
He might have a future with Liverpool - hard to tell with him being out for the season with a cruciate.
Completely forgot about that.
That being said I can't see Klippedy Klopp rating him. They'll undoubtedly be spunking money on another front man.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 03, 2016, 11:29:33 PM: I reckon Klopp will be buying big and selling Ings and Benteke. Ings did really well for Burnley so he's one of those instinctive forwards that Wouk do really well at Championship level.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on April 03, 2016, 11:36:04 PM: Quote from: Toronto Villa on April 03, 2016, 11:29:33 PM
I reckon Klopp will be buying big and selling Ings and Benteke. Ings did really well for Burnley so he's one of those instinctive forwards that Wouk do really well at Championship level.

An alternative may be that they decide to loan Ings out with him coming back from such a horrid injury. He's still young, they may still see the potential in him. Even so, if he were available on loan we should be going for him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on April 03, 2016, 11:37:59 PM: If he is up for loan Burnley I reckon.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KevinGage on April 03, 2016, 11:42:09 PM: Quote from: Toronto Villa on April 03, 2016, 11:29:33 PM
I reckon Klopp will be buying big and selling Ings and Benteke. Ings did really well for Burnley so he's one of those instinctive forwards that Wouk do really well at Championship level.

If Ings does go, there will still be top flight sides who would be keen.

He had a very good season in the topflight last year and was just starting to hold down a place in the Redscouse team this year.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on April 03, 2016, 11:45:15 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on April 03, 2016, 11:37:59 PM
If he is up for loan Burnley I reckon.
Probably. We would have to sell the shit out of our rebuilding plan. If you have someone like Steve Bruce managing, right off the back it looks like we've given up.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brontebilly on April 03, 2016, 11:46:27 PM: Provided they grow a collective pair, Amavi and Grealish should combine well on the left next season.

Time and again yesterday, Grealish drew two defenders to him playing Cissokho in down the left where the chances were wasted.

Amavi in that position should be able to create plenty of goals.

new keeper for sure, leader at centre half to organise defence, new right back, new captain in midfield, new striker,

looks like we will be competing with the two if not three clubs in the north east for players

id sell Gana to be honest, a fair weather player not one for a scrap and not a character we need next season
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on April 04, 2016, 12:47:18 AM: Quote from: AVFC Tom on April 03, 2016, 10:55:36 PM
We shouldn't be getting rid of Gil or Gestede. Gil hasn't been the player we thought he may have been and we can now clearly see why Sherwood dropped him last season. We can see he has quality and with good players around him, he could be sensational, unfortunately he has been playing alongside the worst villa side I have ever seen and Gil isn't a player you can rely on - more of a luxury.
Rudy has been dreadful this season, but he scored 20 goals the last season he was in the Championship; in a Blackburn side that only finished 9th. He can't really play with his feet, but he is good in the air and it would be a mistake letting him go.

I like Gil, but I just don't think he has the pace or the drive to get past players. Waste of time playing out wide and not quite physical enough to play centrally in English football. Will definitely make it as a top flight player in Spain though.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on April 04, 2016, 12:48:42 AM: Agreed. All fart and no shit.

Grealish did more in 20 minutes on Saturday than Gil in 65 sadly. Lovely player, but not for the Championship.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on April 04, 2016, 12:52:24 AM: Quote from: brontebilly on April 03, 2016, 11:46:27 PM
Provided they grow a collective pair, Amavi and Grealish should combine well on the left next season.

Time and again yesterday, Grealish drew two defenders to him playing Cissokho in down the left where the chances were wasted.

Amavi in that position should be able to create plenty of goals.

new keeper for sure, leader at centre half to organise defence, new right back, new captain in midfield, new striker,

looks like we will be competing with the two if not three clubs in the north east for players

id sell Gana to be honest, a fair weather player not one for a scrap and not a character we need next season

They've done us over a couple of times with centre halves (Curtis Davies and Lescott), but I wonder how much mileage Jonas Olsson has left in him. By all accounts he will be leaving Albion at the end of the season and if he has anything left, he might not be a bad signing for the Championship. Leader, nasty side to him - just what we need. Have to bad careful though, and we don't need another Lescott.

And while we're on the subject of those idiots, James Morrison would be a very good signing as well.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on April 04, 2016, 01:16:53 AM: Personally I think Klopp will be a fan of Ings. Obviously no idea how much the injury will have taken its toll but he's an industrous little bastard and will fit in with his high intensity pressing. Also as mentioned there will be top flight clubs in for him.

I agree with the Adam shouts. I also like Morrison from the Tesco bags but again think he would get top flight offers. That's not to say they wouldn't still drop a division, just makes it less likely.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on April 04, 2016, 10:05:08 AM: Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on April 04, 2016, 01:16:53 AM
Personally I think Klopp will be a fan of Ings. Obviously no idea how much the injury will have taken its toll but he's an industrous little bastard and will fit in with his high intensity pressing. Also as mentioned there will be top flight clubs in for him.

I agree with the Adam shouts. I also like Morrison from the Tesco bags but again think he would get top flight offers. That's not to say they wouldn't still drop a division, just makes it less likely.

First priority off me would be a striker. He's another who is going to have offers from Premier League teams, but Dwight Gayle would be a good buy. Agree with the shouts about Adam and Morrison, and about David Marshall. The back four might need a total rebuild, but I hope Okore stays.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brontebilly on April 04, 2016, 10:13:27 AM: Quote from: tomd2103 on April 04, 2016, 12:52:24 AM
Quote from: brontebilly on April 03, 2016, 11:46:27 PM
Provided they grow a collective pair, Amavi and Grealish should combine well on the left next season.

Time and again yesterday, Grealish drew two defenders to him playing Cissokho in down the left where the chances were wasted.

Amavi in that position should be able to create plenty of goals.

new keeper for sure, leader at centre half to organise defence, new right back, new captain in midfield, new striker,

looks like we will be competing with the two if not three clubs in the north east for players

id sell Gana to be honest, a fair weather player not one for a scrap and not a character we need next season

They've done us over a couple of times with centre halves (Curtis Davies and Lescott), but I wonder how much mileage Jonas Olsson has left in him. By all accounts he will be leaving Albion at the end of the season and if he has anything left, he might not be a bad signing for the Championship. Leader, nasty side to him - just what we need. Have to bad careful though, and we don't need another Lescott.

And while we're on the subject of those idiots, James Morrison would be a very good signing as well.

Olsson and Morrison would be good shouts for sure, Morrison will surely get top division offers though
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Lobsterboy on April 04, 2016, 10:31:12 AM: Whoever comes in has got a massive job on their hands; not only in bringing in the right players but also in shipping out some of the crap we have in our squad

I personally would like to see the following out - Guzan, Bunn, Hutton, Richards, Lescott, Cissokho, Crespo, Richardson, Bacuna, Westwood, Sanchez, N'Zogbia, Gil, Veretout, Agbonlahor and Kozak.

That's 16 players some of whom will be out of contract but most of whom have been absolutely dog shit all season so if we did manage to shift that lot it would be a bloody miracle!

No idea who we would be able to bring in but Charlie Adam seems a good shout and Ross McCormack at Fulham seems to be scoring goals for fun in a piss poor Fulham side - he would not be cheap though
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on April 04, 2016, 01:15:34 PM: Quote from: Lobsterboy on April 04, 2016, 10:31:12 AM
Whoever comes in has got a massive job on their hands; not only in bringing in the right players but also in shipping out some of the crap we have in our squad

I personally would like to see the following out - Guzan, Bunn, Hutton, Richards, Lescott, Cissokho, Crespo, Richardson, Bacuna, Westwood, Sanchez, N'Zogbia, Gil, Veretout, Agbonlahor and Kozak.

That's 16 players some of whom will be out of contract but most of whom have been absolutely dog shit all season so if we did manage to shift that lot it would be a bloody miracle!

No idea who we would be able to bring in but Charlie Adam seems a good shout and Ross McCormack at Fulham seems to be scoring goals for fun in a piss poor Fulham side - he would not be cheap though

Out of that list, I'd like to see us keep Bunn, Veretout and Kozak. Bacuna for his versatility may come in useful as well.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Monty on April 04, 2016, 01:17:38 PM: Quote from: Clampy on April 04, 2016, 01:15:34 PM
Quote from: Lobsterboy on April 04, 2016, 10:31:12 AM
Whoever comes in has got a massive job on their hands; not only in bringing in the right players but also in shipping out some of the crap we have in our squad

I personally would like to see the following out - Guzan, Bunn, Hutton, Richards, Lescott, Cissokho, Crespo, Richardson, Bacuna, Westwood, Sanchez, N'Zogbia, Gil, Veretout, Agbonlahor and Kozak.

That's 16 players some of whom will be out of contract but most of whom have been absolutely dog shit all season so if we did manage to shift that lot it would be a bloody miracle!

No idea who we would be able to bring in but Charlie Adam seems a good shout and Ross McCormack at Fulham seems to be scoring goals for fun in a piss poor Fulham side - he would not be cheap though

Out of that list, I'd like to see us keep Bunn, Veretout and Kozak. Bacuna for his versatility may come in useful as well.

But what do we do when Bayern come in for Bacuna?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ClaretAndBlueBlood on April 04, 2016, 01:19:14 PM: Quote from: brontebilly on April 04, 2016, 10:13:27 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on April 04, 2016, 12:52:24 AM
Quote from: brontebilly on April 03, 2016, 11:46:27 PM
Provided they grow a collective pair, Amavi and Grealish should combine well on the left next season.

Time and again yesterday, Grealish drew two defenders to him playing Cissokho in down the left where the chances were wasted.

Amavi in that position should be able to create plenty of goals.

new keeper for sure, leader at centre half to organise defence, new right back, new captain in midfield, new striker,

looks like we will be competing with the two if not three clubs in the north east for players

id sell Gana to be honest, a fair weather player not one for a scrap and not a character we need next season

They've done us over a couple of times with centre halves (Curtis Davies and Lescott), but I wonder how much mileage Jonas Olsson has left in him. By all accounts he will be leaving Albion at the end of the season and if he has anything left, he might not be a bad signing for the Championship. Leader, nasty side to him - just what we need. Have to bad careful though, and we don't need another Lescott.

And while we're on the subject of those idiots, James Morrison would be a very good signing as well.

Olsson and Morrison would be good shouts for sure, Morrison will surely get top division offers though

Ricky Lambert would be a good addition I think
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KevinGage on April 04, 2016, 01:23:46 PM: Quote from: Monty on April 04, 2016, 01:17:38 PM
Quote from: Clampy on April 04, 2016, 01:15:34 PM
Quote from: Lobsterboy on April 04, 2016, 10:31:12 AM
Whoever comes in has got a massive job on their hands; not only in bringing in the right players but also in shipping out some of the crap we have in our squad

I personally would like to see the following out - Guzan, Bunn, Hutton, Richards, Lescott, Cissokho, Crespo, Richardson, Bacuna, Westwood, Sanchez, N'Zogbia, Gil, Veretout, Agbonlahor and Kozak.

That's 16 players some of whom will be out of contract but most of whom have been absolutely dog shit all season so if we did manage to shift that lot it would be a bloody miracle!

No idea who we would be able to bring in but Charlie Adam seems a good shout and Ross McCormack at Fulham seems to be scoring goals for fun in a piss poor Fulham side - he would not be cheap though

Out of that list, I'd like to see us keep Bunn, Veretout and Kozak. Bacuna for his versatility may come in useful as well.

But what do we do when Bayern come in for Bacuna?

Even the most intense LSD trip normally wears off after about 12 hours, or so I am told.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Hookeysmith on April 04, 2016, 01:26:00 PM: I really think we need an old head surrounded by youth.

Step forward Gareth Barry - a true footballer to drive us back
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KevinGage on April 04, 2016, 01:31:10 PM: Quote from: tomd2103 on April 04, 2016, 10:05:08 AM
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on April 04, 2016, 01:16:53 AM
Personally I think Klopp will be a fan of Ings. Obviously no idea how much the injury will have taken its toll but he's an industrous little bastard and will fit in with his high intensity pressing. Also as mentioned there will be top flight clubs in for him.

I agree with the Adam shouts. I also like Morrison from the Tesco bags but again think he would get top flight offers. That's not to say they wouldn't still drop a division, just makes it less likely.

First priority off me would be a striker. He's another who is going to have offers from Premier League teams, but Dwight Gayle would be a good buy. Agree with the shouts about Adam and Morrison, and about David Marshall. The back four might need a total rebuild, but I hope Okore stays.

I would have said Dwight Gayle a while back, but he was one of the Dim Brigade photographed on Turds Day Out along with our pair of wasters.

I know it's a fairly small circle, but judge a man by the friends he keeps and all that.

Different type of player completely, but if we were looking at Palarse, I might be tempted to go for Wickham. Has done well in the Championship previously and would benefit from a consistent run of games.

We'd still need a forward with good pace or movement though. Callum Robinson might be persevering with down there for a while, as I expect Ayew and Traore will be off. Sinclair if he fancies it, should be better than most on that division. But I'm not even sure football is a priority for him anymore.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 04, 2016, 02:45:56 PM: Quote from: Hookeysmith on April 04, 2016, 01:26:00 PM
I really think we need an old head surrounded by youth.

Step forward Gareth Barry - a true footballer to drive us back

I just can't think of a single reason why Barry would want to join us.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on April 04, 2016, 02:59:19 PM: Quote from: Lobsterboy on April 04, 2016, 10:31:12 AM
Whoever comes in has got a massive job on their hands; not only in bringing in the right players but also in shipping out some of the crap we have in our squad

I personally would like to see the following out - Guzan, Bunn, Hutton, Richards, Lescott, Cissokho, Crespo, Richardson, Bacuna, Westwood, Sanchez, N'Zogbia, Gil, Veretout, Agbonlahor and Kozak.

That's 16 players some of whom will be out of contract but most of whom have been absolutely dog shit all season so if we did manage to shift that lot it would be a bloody miracle!

No idea who we would be able to bring in but Charlie Adam seems a good shout and Ross McCormack at Fulham seems to be scoring goals for fun in a piss poor Fulham side - he would not be cheap though

Out of the list above, I reckon we have got a chance of getting rid of:

Guzan - MLS
Hutton - Only chance is Rangers taking him back now they are up
Richards - Think there will be some mug punters out there
Lescott - MLS
Crespo - ??
Richardson - Out of contract
Sanchez - Would be buyers in South America due to his form with Colombia
N'Zogbia - Out of contract - get the bunting out

The rest I think we are stuck with to be honest.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on April 04, 2016, 03:02:29 PM: Didn't Crespo leave in January?

If not how can the scouts recommend a player not good enough to get in this defence?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on April 04, 2016, 03:04:08 PM: Quote from: brontebilly on April 04, 2016, 10:13:27 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on April 04, 2016, 12:52:24 AM
Quote from: brontebilly on April 03, 2016, 11:46:27 PM
Provided they grow a collective pair, Amavi and Grealish should combine well on the left next season.

Time and again yesterday, Grealish drew two defenders to him playing Cissokho in down the left where the chances were wasted.

Amavi in that position should be able to create plenty of goals.

new keeper for sure, leader at centre half to organise defence, new right back, new captain in midfield, new striker,

looks like we will be competing with the two if not three clubs in the north east for players

id sell Gana to be honest, a fair weather player not one for a scrap and not a character we need next season

They've done us over a couple of times with centre halves (Curtis Davies and Lescott), but I wonder how much mileage Jonas Olsson has left in him. By all accounts he will be leaving Albion at the end of the season and if he has anything left, he might not be a bad signing for the Championship. Leader, nasty side to him - just what we need. Have to bad careful though, and we don't need another Lescott.

And while we're on the subject of those idiots, James Morrison would be a very good signing as well.

Olsson and Morrison would be good shouts for sure, Morrison will surely get top division offers though

It would really depend on how much he has got left in the tank. We really don't need another Lescott, but if he has got a season or two he could be exactly the type of defender we need.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on April 04, 2016, 03:07:00 PM: That big bugger with the beard at Leicester is ideal at the back. I would even be tempted despite his age to have Distin for a season
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on April 04, 2016, 03:27:35 PM: really? playing in a mobility scooter?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: curiousorange on April 04, 2016, 03:34:15 PM: I think Jedinak at Palace would be a decent asset. Put a player like that next to Westwood and the latter might look salvageable.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on April 04, 2016, 05:44:57 PM: Quote from: curiousorange on April 04, 2016, 03:34:15 PM
I think Jedinak at Palace would be a decent asset. Put a player like that next to Westwood and the latter might look salvageable.

Another who would be a decent signing, but probably will have top flight offers. A leader and would give us the physical edge we have been missing. Unfortunately, I don't think Westwood is salvageable in any situation.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tayls_7 on April 04, 2016, 07:10:55 PM: Quote from: curiousorange on April 04, 2016, 03:34:15 PM
I think Jedinak at Palace would be a decent asset. Put a player like that next to Westwood and the latter might look salvageable.

Please not another season, I'm begging you.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on April 04, 2016, 07:23:13 PM: Jedinak is crap. And I like Westwood. I think he'll be fine next season.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tayls_7 on April 04, 2016, 07:39:24 PM: Quote from: peter w on April 04, 2016, 07:23:13 PM
Jedinak is crap. And I like Westwood. I think he'll be fine next season.

Watching Westwood play football is like watching old people f##k (I presume).
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on April 04, 2016, 07:44:11 PM: Lots of fingers?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on April 04, 2016, 09:18:31 PM: Quote from: tomd2103 on April 04, 2016, 03:04:08 PM
Quote from: brontebilly on April 04, 2016, 10:13:27 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on April 04, 2016, 12:52:24 AM
Quote from: brontebilly on April 03, 2016, 11:46:27 PM
Provided they grow a collective pair, Amavi and Grealish should combine well on the left next season.

Time and again yesterday, Grealish drew two defenders to him playing Cissokho in down the left where the chances were wasted.

Amavi in that position should be able to create plenty of goals.

new keeper for sure, leader at centre half to organise defence, new right back, new captain in midfield, new striker,

looks like we will be competing with the two if not three clubs in the north east for players

id sell Gana to be honest, a fair weather player not one for a scrap and not a character we need next season

They've done us over a couple of times with centre halves (Curtis Davies and Lescott), but I wonder how much mileage Jonas Olsson has left in him. By all accounts he will be leaving Albion at the end of the season and if he has anything left, he might not be a bad signing for the Championship. Leader, nasty side to him - just what we need. Have to bad careful though, and we don't need another Lescott.

And while we're on the subject of those idiots, James Morrison would be a very good signing as well.

Olsson and Morrison would be good shouts for sure, Morrison will surely get top division offers though

It would really depend on how much he has got left in the tank. We really don't need another Lescott, but if he has got a season or two he could be exactly the type of defender we need.

Next season's Lescott, but with less ability to start with.

Plus he's an odious, cheating, shit and I might just puke a kidney up if we signed him.

The only one I'd take off them that we might stand a chance with is Lambert if we get rid of Gestede and/or Kozak.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on April 05, 2016, 08:43:01 PM: Yeah I agree. Cheating fucker who gave it the larg'un when getting Herd (?) sent-off. I'd hate him to come.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on April 05, 2016, 09:16:39 PM: Christ, imagine a team with Olsson as the bedrock at the back and coached by Pearson.

You think we've got a squad full of odious wankers now?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: olaftab on April 05, 2016, 09:23:27 PM: If so we should tempt Barton out of "retirement" to complete the set.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ldavfc4eva on April 05, 2016, 09:46:44 PM: I don't like Barton and I don't want him but as has said many times before our midfield could do with a nasty fucker in there, last genuine combative midfielder was Boateng. NRC liked a tackle too but none of the current crop get involved enough for me.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on April 05, 2016, 10:01:27 PM: But that's the thing, they don't need to be nasty f##kers, just competent.

The best midfields we've turned out in recent years have been Petrov and Barry followed by Petrov and Milner.

Not so much nasty bastards, just good footballers. The rest of it is macho bollocks.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ian. on April 05, 2016, 10:19:30 PM: Quote from: Villa in Denmark on April 05, 2016, 10:01:27 PM
But that's the thing, they don't need to be nasty f##kers, just competent.

The best midfields we've turned out in recent years have been Petrov and Barry followed by Petrov and Milner.

Not so much nasty bastards, just good footballers. The rest of it is macho bollocks.
I'd add winners to that. Players that care and don't like losing.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on April 05, 2016, 11:09:43 PM: Quote from: Ian J on April 05, 2016, 10:19:30 PM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on April 05, 2016, 10:01:27 PM
But that's the thing, they don't need to be nasty f##kers, just competent.

The best midfields we've turned out in recent years have been Petrov and Barry followed by Petrov and Milner.

Not so much nasty bastards, just good footballers. The rest of it is macho bollocks.
I'd add winners to that. Players that care and don't like losing.

Yes, I'd go along with that, and something that is patently lacking from the vast majority of the squad. Despite the frankly insulting platitudes that get served up by the likes of Richards and Bacuna to name just 2, about how they're hurting too, they don't appear to be too fussed when they get skinned by some half wit journeyman for the 10th time in 15 minutes against the likes of Swansea or Norwich.

That doesn't need a nasty f##ker to sort it out. It needs someone who knows what they're doing and is prepared to do it, instead of thinking "F##k it, just get through the next 30 minutes and the gaffer will probably take me off. Another £25-65K in the bank. Anyone fancy Dubai next weekend?"

Despite appearances to the contrary, a good proportion of that squad have either previously proven that as individuals that they can at least survive at the arse end of PL or shown enough potential to suggest that lower mid table shouldn't be a problem. What we've seen has been total and abject capitulation and that's not about ability, that's about giving a shit.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on April 06, 2016, 12:45:28 AM: Quote from: Villa in Denmark on April 05, 2016, 10:01:27 PM
But that's the thing, they don't need to be nasty f##kers, just competent.

The best midfields we've turned out in recent years have been Petrov and Barry followed by Petrov and Milner.

Not so much nasty bastards, just good footballers. The rest of it is macho bollocks.

I don't know. I think we have been far too soft for too long now and I'm fed up of seeing teams come to Villa Park and have an easy ride. It's also plain to see that there are no real leaders in the dressing room either and players get away with a lack of effort week in week out. When I think of the best midfielders I have seen over the past few decades - Keane, Scholes, Gerrard - even going back as far as Souness and Robson - they all had a nasty streak in them.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on April 06, 2016, 06:53:46 AM: Agreed. You need that devilment in a side who when the opposition look at their name on the team sheet feel uncomfortable because of their quality and how difficult they're going to make life for 90 minutes.

We couldn't be any softer unless we sent out marshmallows in claret and blue. I'm sick of sides turning up at Villa Park and doing what they want.

We need that intangible steel, grit and evil in there somewhere. A genuine leader who will out pass you and trade blow for blow if you fancy a knock and even if you don't. We get bullied so easily and that's got to stop.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: curiousorange on April 06, 2016, 10:51:43 AM: This is just a little thing, but I think it would help if Villa had a decent and long-standing theme to come out to, one that suggests you're at Villa Park and you're going to know about it. I mean, they used to use the Black Eyed Peas. Whenever I heard it my heart sank; it was like, "hey, it's a big party here! Have three points." The closest they came in the last decade was Paranoid.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on April 06, 2016, 11:55:32 AM: barton wouldn't be the world's worst signing and come on, be fair and own-up, who didn't see his Man City scrap and love it? Just me?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: in exile on April 06, 2016, 03:57:29 PM: Quote from: curiousorange on April 06, 2016, 10:51:43 AM
This is just a little thing, but I think it would help if Villa had a decent and long-standing theme to come out to, one that suggests you're at Villa Park and you're going to know about it. I mean, they used to use the Black Eyed Peas. Whenever I heard it my heart sank; it was like, "hey, it's a big party here! Have three points." The closest they came in the last decade was Paranoid.
I could never understand why they used Paranoid
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Monty on April 06, 2016, 04:05:49 PM: You don't have to be nasty by any means, but you do need to have some inner steel and some phlegm about you. One huge difference between Barca and, say, Arsenal is that if you kick Arsenal they wilt like sad flowers, whereas Barca will just keep going and don't get intimidated (they might chest and whine and roll around, buy that's another matter). Iniesta and Xavi might not dish it out, but they can take it.

Obviously in England you'll need more of that steel than you will in Spain, doubly so in the Championship. Players like Westwood and Bacuna are too mentally feeble for the division we're going into, I fear - we'll need a bit more testicular fortitude to do well down there than we have now.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 06, 2016, 04:32:11 PM: Quote from: Monty on April 06, 2016, 04:05:49 PM
You don't have to be nasty by any means, but you do need to have some inner steel and some phlegm about you. One huge difference between Barca and, say, Arsenal is that if you kick Arsenal they wilt like sad flowers, whereas Barca will just keep going and don't get intimidated (they might chest and whine and roll around, buy that's another matter). Iniesta and Xavi might not dish it out, but they can take it.

Obviously in England you'll need more of that steel than you will in Spain, doubly so in the Championship. Players like Westwood and Bacuna are too mentally feeble for the division we're going into, I fear - we'll need a bit more testicular fortitude to do well down there than we have now.

Agree and Messi is the greatest example of that on the planet. If the best talent on the planet and can take a kicking and yet keep on coming at you, mentally you break down faster. We are mentally weak, and while I don't dismiss the need for added physicality, it doesn't have to be what we become. We need to have stronger players mentally who don't see conceding a goal as the end of the battle, but just a hurdle to overcome and that they are capable of overcoming.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on April 06, 2016, 05:33:04 PM: Quote from: Monty on April 06, 2016, 04:05:49 PM
You don't have to be nasty by any means, but you do need to have some inner steel and some phlegm about you. One huge difference between Barca and, say, Arsenal is that if you kick Arsenal they wilt like sad flowers, whereas Barca will just keep going and don't get intimidated (they might chest and whine and roll around, buy that's another matter). Iniesta and Xavi might not dish it out, but they can take it.

Obviously in England you'll need more of that steel than you will in Spain, doubly so in the Championship. Players like Westwood and Bacuna are too mentally feeble for the division we're going into, I fear - we'll need a bit more testicular fortitude to do well down there than we have now.

Thanks for articulating what I was trying to say. And well done on testicular fortitude. That might be phrase of the day.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on April 06, 2016, 05:38:23 PM: Quote from: in exile on April 06, 2016, 03:57:29 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on April 06, 2016, 10:51:43 AM
This is just a little thing, but I think it would help if Villa had a decent and long-standing theme to come out to, one that suggests you're at Villa Park and you're going to know about it. I mean, they used to use the Black Eyed Peas. Whenever I heard it my heart sank; it was like, "hey, it's a big party here! Have three points." The closest they came in the last decade was Paranoid.
I could never understand why they used Paranoid

There's plenty of Sabbath tracks that would be better.

Iron Man if you wanted a go a putting the shits up people for example.
Personally I'd go for Never Say Die. Upbeat, not too heavy and an easy hook for the crowd to sing along too, with the right "message".

Of course this year Roll Over (Beethoven) should have been the choice.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on April 06, 2016, 06:39:32 PM: Or, in Leandro Bacuna's case, 'I'm a wanker!' by George Formby.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on April 06, 2016, 07:07:36 PM: I'd rather they went back to using 'Theme From an Unknown Silent Movie', it reminds me of when we used to be good.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: avfcpg on April 06, 2016, 07:24:53 PM: Don't need to be nasty, its still football. A division below the prem granted but play better football and you will generally beat the side you are playing.
Bournemouth aren't in the least bit nasty...hardworking and play decent stuff and they did ok last year. Don't buy into the "got be hard, nasty and tough to play in this division".
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SamTheMouse on April 06, 2016, 08:02:48 PM: To be fair, I haven't seen us get physically bullied very often. It's more a matter of us being technically shit and lacking effort and team spirit.

I'm not sure about this needing a nasty streak. Sunderland have Cattermole, who is the dirtiest fucker on the planet, yet they never look much good with him in the side.

You need winners, not bullies.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on April 06, 2016, 09:46:31 PM: I would take Robson Kanu on a free from Reading this summer.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on April 06, 2016, 09:48:04 PM: Agree Sam. Our issue is workrate and effort. When we put it in at home to west ham palace and Leicester we showed we can compete.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Jon Crofts on April 06, 2016, 09:52:28 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on April 06, 2016, 09:46:31 PM
I would take Robson Kanu on a free from Reading this summer.

He lives about 100 yards from me, I'll pop round and ask him if he fancies it.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on April 06, 2016, 09:55:53 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on April 06, 2016, 09:46:31 PM
I would take Robson Kanu on a free from Reading this summer.

I've always quite liked him, very busy player, the type we might need.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villafirst on April 06, 2016, 10:07:00 PM: And so it starts, Arsenal & Liverpool interested in Andre Green this summer......according to the Express.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on April 06, 2016, 10:09:21 PM: I would be gutted to see Greene go. The one thing about next season for me is seeing some of the young players in the side and enjoying watching their enthusiasm.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 07, 2016, 12:01:57 AM: Would prefer Vydra from Reading tbh, hasn't been too prolific this season but scored a shed load a few years back for Watford.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on April 07, 2016, 07:05:27 AM: I really thought he's go to a big club a couple of years ago but his career seems to have stalled.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on April 07, 2016, 08:03:44 AM: Quote from: ozzjim on April 06, 2016, 10:09:21 PM
I would be gutted to see Greene go.

Clarke will be the next one
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Mister E on April 07, 2016, 08:05:55 AM: Quote from: ozzjim on April 06, 2016, 10:09:21 PM
I would be gutted to see Greene go. The one thing about next season for me is seeing some of the young players in the side and enjoying watching their enthusiasm.
Well, it's up to the club to make next season attractive to players that we hope will stay.
If I were advising a lad with gray potential, I'd recommend that a season in the Championship with a large club would be ideal for his development... But kids are easily turned by the lure of PL glory.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on April 07, 2016, 08:21:35 AM: I wonder if any club has fielded a full team of players whose name begins with the same letter? Barnstoneworth came close but they had a head start with three brothers in the team. Next season we could have Guzan, Grealish, Green, Gana, Gueye (I know, I know) Gestede, Gary Gardner and Gabby. Must be plenty of Gees on the market. On your bike then Paddy Reilly.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oldtimernow on April 07, 2016, 08:25:44 AM: What's your best position Brian?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on April 07, 2016, 08:31:42 AM: Holte Lower RR. The Biggin Hill of paper aero engineering.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on April 07, 2016, 08:32:30 AM: Quote from: Clampy on April 06, 2016, 09:55:53 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on April 06, 2016, 09:46:31 PM
I would take Robson Kanu on a free from Reading this summer.

I've always quite liked him, very busy player, the type we might need.

Would be a decent signing on a free. Can play wide or as a central striker, so would be a good addition to the squad.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on April 07, 2016, 08:41:32 AM: Quote from: UK Redsox on April 07, 2016, 08:03:44 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on April 06, 2016, 10:09:21 PM
I would be gutted to see Greene go.

Clarke will be the next one

snigger.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Pete on April 07, 2016, 08:17:05 PM: Quote from: brian green on April 07, 2016, 08:21:35 AM
I wonder if any club has fielded a full team of players whose name begins with the same letter? Barnstoneworth came close but they had a head start with three brothers in the team. Next season we could have Guzan, Grealish, Green, Gana, Gueye (I know, I know) Gestede, Gary Gardner and Gabby. Must be plenty of Gees on the market. On your bike then Paddy Reilly.

Nowhere near with Barnstoneworth. Only one pair of brothers, too.

Haggerty F., Haggerty. R., Tomkins, Noble, Carrick, Dobson, Crapper, Dewhurst, MacIntyre, Treadmore, Davitt.

We could do with someone of the calibre of Neville Davitt.

Eight bloody nil!

Edit - is this not the best football film ever? (TV programme, I know.....but, effectively, a short film).
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: in exile on April 07, 2016, 08:43:26 PM: Quote from: Pete on April 07, 2016, 08:17:05 PM
Haggerty F., Haggerty. R., Tomkins, Noble, Carrick, Dobson, Crapper, Dewhurst, MacIntyre, Treadmore, Davitt.
Sounds like the new fire crew at Trumpton
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on April 07, 2016, 09:55:40 PM: Quote from: brian green on April 07, 2016, 08:21:35 AM
I wonder if any club has fielded a full team of players whose name begins with the same letter? Barnstoneworth came close but they had a head start with three brothers in the team. Next season we could have Guzan, Grealish, Green, Gana, Gueye (I know, I know) Gestede, Gary Gardner and Gabby. Must be plenty of Gees on the market. On your bike then Paddy Reilly.

Just get a shit ventriloquist to read the team sheet out.

Guzan, Gutton, Glarke, Gaker, Gennett, Grealish, Gana, Gardner, Gil, Green, Gestede
Title: Re: Championship Players
Post by: tomd2103 on April 07, 2016, 11:23:26 PM: Quote from: aj2k77 on March 02, 2016, 10:51:35 AM
Bradley Dack from some first division club I forget the name of, looks a good little creative player, sell Gil.

He plays for Gillingham and is more of a "number ten" type player. I really think we will need some pace in the final third next season and would like to see a quick striker with good movement.

Was talking with a few Villa supporting colleagues at work today and the general consensus was that if we can keep the few decent performers this season (Gana, Ayew) and build around them then we should have a good chance. The worry is that the French contingent will leave en masses and we will be left with the dregs. I mean can you imagine a side like the one below:

Bunn

Hutton Okore Clark Cissokho

Westwood Sanchez

Gil Grealish Sinclair

Gestede
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on April 08, 2016, 01:54:12 AM: The championship is that shit after the top 3 or 4 that team would get in the play offs
Title: Re: Championship Players
Post by: oldhill_avfc on April 08, 2016, 07:34:14 AM: Quote from: tomd2103 on April 07, 2016, 11:23:26 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on March 02, 2016, 10:51:35 AM
Bradley Dack from some first division club I forget the name of, looks a good little creative player, sell Gil.

He plays for Gillingham and is more of a "number ten" type player. I really think we will need some pace in the final third next season and would like to see a quick striker with good movement.

Was talking with a few Villa supporting colleagues at work today and the general consensus was that if we can keep the few decent performers this season (Gana, Ayew) and build around them then we should have a good chance. The worry is that the French contingent will leave en masses and we will be left with the dregs. I mean can you imagine a side like the one below:

Bunn

Hutton Okore Clark Cissokho

Westwood Sanchez

Gil Grealish Sinclair

Gestede

Agreed - Not bad (!) - apart from the shit in bold
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: curlytailavfc on April 08, 2016, 07:47:28 AM: Bunn

Hutton Okore Clark Cissokho

Westwood Sanchez

Gil Grealish Sinclair

Gestede

I wouldnt turn up to watch this lot
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on April 08, 2016, 07:55:15 AM: Thanks Pete, I stand corrected, Haggerty J only got the odd game when Neville Davitt was on international duty. Should not have counted him. It is the best football film ever, so real and so perfectly observed. The long suffering wife is an exact representation of the present Mrs Green.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: HolmesyVilla on April 08, 2016, 10:14:15 AM: First thing first gotta be, has to be a goaly. Rebuild the spine so I think I'd go for Chris Kirkland now at PNE, If they was scoring more they'd be up there challenging.
Hes also out of contract in the summer, I believe, so that edges me to him also
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on April 08, 2016, 11:52:05 AM: Quote from: HolmesyVilla on April 08, 2016, 10:14:15 AM
First thing first gotta be, has to be a goaly. Rebuild the spine so I think I'd go for Chris Kirkland now at PNE, If they was scoring more they'd be up there challenging.
Hes also out of contract in the summer, I believe, so that edges me to him also

Not so sure Sherlock. A decent centre forward would be my priority. Give everyone a lift.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on April 08, 2016, 04:48:00 PM: Quote from: curlytailavfc on April 08, 2016, 07:47:28 AM
Bunn

Hutton Okore Clark Cissokho

Westwood Sanchez

Gil Grealish Sinclair

Gestede

I wouldnt turn up to watch this lot

Kind of team I would like to see (highly unlikely):

Ruddy (Norwich)

Naughton (Swansea) Okore Collins (West Ham) Amavi

Veretout Adam (Stoke)

Sinclair Grealish Ayew

Gayle (C Palace)
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ldavfc4eva on April 08, 2016, 08:14:17 PM: Gayle has signed a long term deal at place so we won't get him.

Anyone tempted of we could give Defoe on last pay day alongside Gestede?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: in exile on April 08, 2016, 08:18:45 PM: Quote from: ldavfc4eva on April 08, 2016, 08:14:17 PM
Gayle has signed a long term deal at place so we won't get him.

Anyone tempted of we could give Defoe on last pay day alongside Gestede?
Sorry, but he would never come to us. He would have at one time, but not now
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ldavfc4eva on April 08, 2016, 09:24:37 PM: If he would come though would you have him?

I'd quite like him and crouch, that is if Ayew leaves which I hope he doesn't as he will piss the championship next season.

The lad at forest looks good assombalonga? Is there a list out there of players who are available on a free at the end of the season? They usually do the rounds about now but haven't seen one yet.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: HolmesyVilla on April 08, 2016, 09:33:35 PM: Quote from: tomd2103 on April 08, 2016, 11:52:05 AM
Quote from: HolmesyVilla on April 08, 2016, 10:14:15 AM
First thing first gotta be, has to be a goaly. Rebuild the spine so I think I'd go for Chris Kirkland now at PNE, If they was scoring more they'd be up there challenging.
Hes also out of contract in the summer, I believe, so that edges me to him also

Not so sure Sherlock. A decent centre forward would be my priority. Give everyone a lift.

Yes could do with a banging CF though I got faith in that big Rudi will come good just need our Wingers fit Traore can be our Tony Daley, Greens coming through, Amavi - Lyden full backs. At the same time I agree what you say for me though a shit hot keeper edges the priority
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oldham_villa on April 09, 2016, 10:35:45 AM: Any teams containing Gestede surely have to have 2 attackers. As we have seen this season, you can have him on his own up front.

Gotta be 4-4-2 or 3-5-2
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: The Laughing Policeman on April 10, 2016, 12:34:52 PM: I see Carrick is out of contract at Old Trafford in the summer. He's 34 so no spring chicken but I reckon he's the type to get in on a decent wage and rebuild the team round him.
A lot of you will say he's not going to come to a newly relegated club, but if you don't ask you don't get.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on April 10, 2016, 02:34:34 PM: Quote from: The Laughing Policeman on April 10, 2016, 12:34:52 PM
I see Carrick is out of contract at Old Trafford in the summer. He's 34 so no spring chicken but I reckon he's the type to get in on a decent wage and rebuild the team round him.
A lot of you will say he's not going to come to a newly relegated club, but if you don't ask you don't get.

nothing against carrick but the last thing we need is more short termism and players coming to the end of their careers

please see cole, lescott, senderos and richardson
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on April 10, 2016, 02:46:18 PM: Quote from: ldavfc4eva on April 08, 2016, 08:14:17 PM
Gayle has signed a long term deal at place so we won't get him.

Anyone tempted of we could give Defoe on last pay day alongside Gestede?

Gayle hardly plays though so must be looking at a move sooner or later. Anyway I meant more a player like him - quick and decent movement. Someone mentioned Wells at Huddersfield who wouldn't be a bad shout.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: OCD on April 10, 2016, 03:29:40 PM: Quote from: The Laughing Policeman on April 10, 2016, 12:34:52 PM
I see Carrick is out of contract at Old Trafford in the summer. He's 34 so no spring chicken but I reckon he's the type to get in on a decent wage and rebuild the team round him.
A lot of you will say he's not going to come to a newly relegated club, but if you don't ask you don't get.

I wouldn't hesitate in getting Carrick if it were a possibility.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on April 10, 2016, 03:34:06 PM: Carrick, Charlie Adam. Two good shouts.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on April 10, 2016, 03:35:52 PM: Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on April 10, 2016, 02:34:34 PM
Quote from: The Laughing Policeman on April 10, 2016, 12:34:52 PM
I see Carrick is out of contract at Old Trafford in the summer. He's 34 so no spring chicken but I reckon he's the type to get in on a decent wage and rebuild the team round him.
A lot of you will say he's not going to come to a newly relegated club, but if you don't ask you don't get.

nothing against carrick but the last thing we need is more short termism and players coming to the end of their careers

please see cole, lescott, senderos and richardson
In the right circumstances we need 1-2 this summer. The above were all injury prone and/or well past it. Carrick I think has a couple of good years in him. Gareth Barry would be a great signing if he became surplus at Everton and could be tempted to come back to us. We do need experience but it has to be from players who can still perform too. In the Nolan mould as Newcastle and West Ham did when coming up.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on April 10, 2016, 03:37:05 PM: Quote from: Newby on April 10, 2016, 03:34:06 PM
Carrick, Charlie Adam. Two good shouts.
I'm not sure on Adam. He's never struck me as a model pro in terms of fitness (and perhaps workrate) and seems to get injured a lot. He can't run at all.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: old man villa fan on April 10, 2016, 03:41:30 PM: Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on April 10, 2016, 02:34:34 PM
Quote from: The Laughing Policeman on April 10, 2016, 12:34:52 PM
I see Carrick is out of contract at Old Trafford in the summer. He's 34 so no spring chicken but I reckon he's the type to get in on a decent wage and rebuild the team round him.
A lot of you will say he's not going to come to a newly relegated club, but if you don't ask you don't get.

nothing against carrick but the last thing we need is more short termism and players coming to the end of their careers

please see cole, lescott, senderos and richardson

It all depends on attitude.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: OCD on April 10, 2016, 03:44:15 PM: Quote from: supertom on April 10, 2016, 03:35:52 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on April 10, 2016, 02:34:34 PM
Quote from: The Laughing Policeman on April 10, 2016, 12:34:52 PM
I see Carrick is out of contract at Old Trafford in the summer. He's 34 so no spring chicken but I reckon he's the type to get in on a decent wage and rebuild the team round him.
A lot of you will say he's not going to come to a newly relegated club, but if you don't ask you don't get.

nothing against carrick but the last thing we need is more short termism and players coming to the end of their careers

please see cole, lescott, senderos and richardson
In the right circumstances we need 1-2 this summer. The above were all injury prone and/or well past it. Carrick I think has a couple of good years in him. Gareth Barry would be a great signing if he became surplus at Everton and could be tempted to come back to us. We do need experience but it has to be from players who can still perform too. In the Nolan mould as Newcastle and West Ham did when coming up.

There's enough experience in the squad. What we're lacking is leadership, professionalism and desire. Those things should all come under the same umbrella but sadly, as we've seen, they don't.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on April 10, 2016, 03:46:46 PM: Quote from: OCD on April 10, 2016, 03:44:15 PM
Quote from: supertom on April 10, 2016, 03:35:52 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on April 10, 2016, 02:34:34 PM
Quote from: The Laughing Policeman on April 10, 2016, 12:34:52 PM
I see Carrick is out of contract at Old Trafford in the summer. He's 34 so no spring chicken but I reckon he's the type to get in on a decent wage and rebuild the team round him.
A lot of you will say he's not going to come to a newly relegated club, but if you don't ask you don't get.

nothing against carrick but the last thing we need is more short termism and players coming to the end of their careers

please see cole, lescott, senderos and richardson
In the right circumstances we need 1-2 this summer. The above were all injury prone and/or well past it. Carrick I think has a couple of good years in him. Gareth Barry would be a great signing if he became surplus at Everton and could be tempted to come back to us. We do need experience but it has to be from players who can still perform too. In the Nolan mould as Newcastle and West Ham did when coming up.

There's enough experience in the squad. What we're lacking is leadership, professionalism and desire. Those things should all come under the same umbrella but sadly, as we've seen, they don't.
This is what I mean. All our older heads need to go, so we'd still need to sign a couple of decent pros to help what is likely to be a very young squad next season. I think all our 30+ players need to go as indeed do Richards, Sinclair and Gabby.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: OCD on April 10, 2016, 03:49:51 PM: I thought that's what you meant supertom but thought it was worth clarifying. Getting rid of the dross is going to be the hard bit. If we had the ability to start with a clean slate, I would like the majority of next season's squad to have those character traits with just a few promising kids sprinkled in around them who can learn from the older players.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: luke95 on April 10, 2016, 03:52:29 PM: Quote from: The Laughing Policeman on April 10, 2016, 12:34:52 PM
I see Carrick is out of contract at Old Trafford in the summer. He's 34 so no spring chicken but I reckon he's the type to get in on a decent wage and rebuild the team round him.
A lot of you will say he's not going to come to a newly relegated club, but if you don't ask you don't get.

Not a chance we'd pay his wage demands .
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Walmley_Villa on April 10, 2016, 04:22:28 PM: I'd like a Darren Fletcher type figure to come in as captain and to be a leader unlike the wankers that are Micah Richards and Jabba the Hut.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Des Little on April 10, 2016, 04:25:24 PM: if Martinez gets the boot at Everton, there may be a chance of going in for Barry and who knows he may want to finish his career getting us back up. We certainly need someone like him pulling the strings.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oldtimernow on April 10, 2016, 04:47:48 PM: Quote from: Des Little on April 10, 2016, 04:25:24 PM
if Martinez gets the boot at Everton, there may be a chance of going in for Barry and who knows he may want to finish his career getting us back up. We certainly need someone like him pulling the strings.

Why so he can finally solve the penalty issue?

Oh what are penalties for......it seems such a long time
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: nigel on April 10, 2016, 08:48:39 PM: Striker wise, I wouldn't mind going for Callum Wilson, from Bournemouth, and/or Ulloa, from Leicester.
Think both would be gettable, too.

Wonder if we'll go back for the keeper we looked at in Jan?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 10, 2016, 09:09:50 PM: Why would Callum Wilson a player who has just missed pretty much a full season in the PL leave Bournemouth? And why would Ulloa substitute a night possibly at the Camp Nou, Bernabeu or The Allianz for a night at the Sty, Oakwell or Portman Road?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: nigel on April 10, 2016, 10:02:27 PM: Quote from: Toronto Villa on April 10, 2016, 09:09:50 PM
Why would Callum Wilson a player who has just missed pretty much a full season in the PL leave Bournemouth? And why would Ulloa substitute a night possibly at the Camp Nou, Bernabeu or The Allianz for a night at the Sty, Oakwell or Portman Road?

Why not? These are the sort of players we need to go after.
They might like to be part of the big revival of a bigger club instead of playing second fiddle at a smaller, albeit Premier League, one.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Des Little on April 10, 2016, 10:09:26 PM: We need to be looking at two types of player - those who have been there/done it in the Prem and are quality but want regular football and those excelling at smaller Championship clubs that want to step up to a bigger stage. I'd be looking at the likes of Crouch.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on April 10, 2016, 10:40:02 PM: The Sun has got is interested in Gary O'Neil from Norwich. Not quite sure how we can be interested in anyone when we haven't got a manager, but there you go.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 10, 2016, 10:43:14 PM: Quote from: nigel on April 10, 2016, 10:02:27 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on April 10, 2016, 09:09:50 PM
Why would Callum Wilson a player who has just missed pretty much a full season in the PL leave Bournemouth? And why would Ulloa substitute a night possibly at the Camp Nou, Bernabeu or The Allianz for a night at the Sty, Oakwell or Portman Road?

Why not? These are the sort of players we need to go after.
They might like to be part of the big revival of a bigger club instead of playing second fiddle at a smaller, albeit Premier League, one.

Those types of player, yes sure. But those two specifically I cannot imagine wanting to leave their current clubs to play in the league below.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on April 11, 2016, 12:03:33 AM: Quote from: tomd2103 on April 10, 2016, 10:40:02 PM
The Sun has got is interested in Gary O'Neil from Norwich. Not quite sure how we can be interested in anyone when we haven't got a manager, but there you go.
He's well past it. I also can't fathom how he's still in the Premier League. I don't think he'd even stand out much in the Championship any more. Saying that at least he'd work hard.
We do need better though.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 11, 2016, 12:05:09 AM: Charlie Adam.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on April 11, 2016, 10:59:29 AM: Quote from: SoccerHQ on April 11, 2016, 12:05:09 AM
Charlie Adam.

Would be one of my first targets and I would make him captain as well. Above all, he can take good set pieces which is something we have been desperately lacking.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: glasses on April 11, 2016, 12:15:19 PM: There's some really fanciful names popping up. Players like Adam, Wilson, Ulloa, Barry will all get offers from clubs in the premier league, should they wish to leave. We'll really struggle to get anybody who can get a squad place in the prem.

The players we need to go after are ones that are the best players in the championship. We need to get them before premier league clubs come sniffing. I.e, the delle alli types.

Will Hughes at Derby would be high on the list. Ross McCormack is one of the best strikers in the league. We need to throw our weight around next season in that league to build the best squad. Loan the best young fringe players from the prem and get promoted as quick as bloody possible
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on April 11, 2016, 12:27:52 PM: Ross Mac wouldn't come cheap though Glasses - I doubt we could afford him unless we get top dollar for the few assets we have
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: placeforparks on April 11, 2016, 01:07:32 PM: Quote from: glasses on April 11, 2016, 12:15:19 PM
The players we need to go after are ones that are the best players in the championship.

like rudy gestede?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Duncan Shaw on April 11, 2016, 02:22:41 PM: Quote from: placeforparks on April 11, 2016, 01:07:32 PM
Quote from: glasses on April 11, 2016, 12:15:19 PM
The players we need to go after are ones that are the best players in the championship.

like rudy gestede?
Yep! Even though he's looked awful this year, he's proven at this level, as long as we are set up correctly for him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on April 11, 2016, 02:28:15 PM: Quote from: glasses on April 11, 2016, 12:15:19 PM
There's some really fanciful names popping up. Players like Adam, Wilson, Ulloa, Barry will all get offers from clubs in the premier league, should they wish to leave. We'll really struggle to get anybody who can get a squad place in the prem.

A lot depends on personal circumstances as well. Depends where players live and whether the move suits their circumstances. Also not forgetting that managers have their 'own' players and might look to bring them in when appointed.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on April 11, 2016, 02:55:17 PM: Quote from: Duncan Shaw on April 11, 2016, 02:22:41 PM
Quote from: placeforparks on April 11, 2016, 01:07:32 PM
Quote from: glasses on April 11, 2016, 12:15:19 PM
The players we need to go after are ones that are the best players in the championship.

like rudy gestede?
Yep! Even though he's looked awful this year, he's proven at this level, as long as we are set up correctly for him.

he had one good season at blackburn, the rest of his career has been abject
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on April 11, 2016, 03:02:33 PM: Gestede looks like a one season wonder to me. I haven't seen anything in his game that makes me think we could build a decent team around him with him as the figure head.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: in exile on April 11, 2016, 03:40:29 PM: Quote from: aj2k77 on April 11, 2016, 03:02:33 PM
Gestede looks like a one season wonder to me. I haven't seen anything in his game that makes me think we could build a decent team around him with him as the figure head.
We shall find out in a few months
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: glasses on April 11, 2016, 03:55:58 PM: Quote from: placeforparks on April 11, 2016, 01:07:32 PM
Quote from: glasses on April 11, 2016, 12:15:19 PM
The players we need to go after are ones that are the best players in the championship.

like rudy gestede?
Last summer, when we were a premier league team looking to push up the table, Gestede was a poor buy. However, if last summer we were just relegated, he's exactly the sort you want for that level, which is why I mentioned Ross McCormack in the rest of my post, which you've helpfully edited out.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on April 11, 2016, 04:10:36 PM: Quote from: glasses on April 11, 2016, 03:55:58 PM
Quote from: placeforparks on April 11, 2016, 01:07:32 PM
Quote from: glasses on April 11, 2016, 12:15:19 PM
The players we need to go after are ones that are the best players in the championship.

like rudy gestede?
Last summer, when we were a premier league team looking to push up the table, Gestede was a poor buy. However, if last summer we were just relegated, he's exactly the sort you want for that level, which is why I mentioned Ross McCormack in the rest of my post, which you've helpfully edited out.

His last two moves have cost a total in the region of £20m. Doubt we'll be spending that kind of money.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: RussellC on April 11, 2016, 04:15:12 PM: McCormack's 29 too, which I'm sure will put us off at that price. Zac Clough at Bolton has been mentioned a few times and he looks to be a player of a similar mold, albeit it younger and cheaper.

If we're looking to go shopping at Fulham, we should be going for Dembele in my opinion.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: glasses on April 11, 2016, 05:23:55 PM: Quote from: RussellC on April 11, 2016, 04:15:12 PM
McCormack's 29 too, which I'm sure will put us off at that price. Zac Clough at Bolton has been mentioned a few times and he looks to be a player of a similar mold, albeit it younger and cheaper.

If we're looking to go shopping at Fulham, we should be going for Dembele in my opinion.
Both much more realistic than the likes of Charlie adam and Ulloa, which is my main point. Didn't know how old McCormack was. He scores goals though.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on April 11, 2016, 05:34:17 PM: Quote from: in exile on April 11, 2016, 03:40:29 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on April 11, 2016, 03:02:33 PM
Gestede looks like a one season wonder to me. I haven't seen anything in his game that makes me think we could build a decent team around him with him as the figure head.
We shall find out in a few months
In fairness to Gestede he scored a lot of goals in two seasons for Blackburn. Get in 1-2 half reasonable wingers, and there are plenty available who will do fairly well in the Champ, and actually give the guy some supply, and he'll bang them in. Gestede may be ungainly and not very good with a ball at his feet but we've really not helped him at all. Not playing with at least one winger, and having full-backs who can't cross a ball has absolutely killed him.
For what it's worth I quite like Rudy. He tries. He's shit in every aspect bar heading the ball, but he tries. He's worth keeping and he's also a player who I think would be happy to stay. But for the love of God we need a manager who has more than 2 brain cells and will actually play to his strengths.
Andy Carroll isn't brilliant on the ball (granted he's Dennis Bergkamp in comparison to Rudy) but what West Ham did at the weekend was pelt in cross after cross from their decent full-backs and wide men. They played to his main strength and he murdered Arsenal's backline.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Hoppo on April 11, 2016, 05:39:21 PM: The best midfielder in the championship this season based on stats and reviews is Alan Judge of Brentford, we have been linked.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: IAmTheOneIanOlney on April 11, 2016, 05:48:21 PM: Quote from: Hoppo on April 11, 2016, 05:39:21 PM
The best midfielder in the championship this season based on stats and reviews is Alan Judge of Brentford, we have been linked.
Didn't he break his leg at the weekend?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brontebilly on April 11, 2016, 06:03:52 PM: Quote from: IAmTheOneIanOlney on April 11, 2016, 05:48:21 PM
Quote from: Hoppo on April 11, 2016, 05:39:21 PM
The best midfielder in the championship this season based on stats and reviews is Alan Judge of Brentford, we have been linked.
Didn't he break his leg at the weekend?

yes, horrendous tackle on him

misses the Euros, though dont think he was in MON plans
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on April 11, 2016, 06:28:53 PM: You don't have to be an exceptional winger to do well in the championship. Just need a bit of pace. Maybe we could get someone like Anya or Nathan Dyer to take the step down. Someone of that ilk, or poach someone currently in the Championship. Can't remember who it was but Blackburn had a wideman who was responsible for setting up a fair wedge of Rudy's goals.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on April 11, 2016, 06:51:31 PM: Quote from: supertom on April 11, 2016, 05:34:17 PM
Quote from: in exile on April 11, 2016, 03:40:29 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on April 11, 2016, 03:02:33 PM
Gestede looks like a one season wonder to me. I haven't seen anything in his game that makes me think we could build a decent team around him with him as the figure head.
We shall find out in a few months
In fairness to Gestede he scored a lot of goals in two seasons for Blackburn. Get in 1-2 half reasonable wingers, and there are plenty available who will do fairly well in the Champ, and actually give the guy some supply, and he'll bang them in. Gestede may be ungainly and not very good with a ball at his feet but we've really not helped him at all. Not playing with at least one winger, and having full-backs who can't cross a ball has absolutely killed him.
For what it's worth I quite like Rudy. He tries. He's shit in every aspect bar heading the ball, but he tries. He's worth keeping and he's also a player who I think would be happy to stay. But for the love of God we need a manager who has more than 2 brain cells and will actually play to his strengths.
Andy Carroll isn't brilliant on the ball (granted he's Dennis Bergkamp in comparison to Rudy) but what West Ham did at the weekend was pelt in cross after cross from their decent full-backs and wide men. They played to his main strength and he murdered Arsenal's backline.

jesus if gestede has tried this season id hate to see him not trying

he is probably a nice bloke but a horrible footballer, lumbering about, failing to trap bags of cement and with the physical presence of malibu barbie

too right he would want to stop here, he wakes up every morning and has to pinch himself to make sure it isnt all a dream
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SheffieldVillain on April 11, 2016, 07:28:48 PM: Quote from: RussellC on April 11, 2016, 04:15:12 PM
McCormack's 29 too, which I'm sure will put us off at that price. Zac Clough at Bolton has been mentioned a few times and he looks to be a player of a similar mold, albeit it younger and cheaper.

If we're looking to go shopping at Fulham, we should be going for Dembele in my opinion.

Already sold to Spurs and loaned back, I think? Good player though.
Title: Re: Championship Players
Post by: Locko on April 11, 2016, 07:36:21 PM: Quote from: adrenachrome on March 02, 2016, 12:05:56 AM
I wud get Baker back as beards R in and I wud by any players with bushy beards from enywere as long as they dont ware gluvs.

I wud get Peersun an all too put an oastreach up there arse.
This for me should be our recruitment strategy. Flabby with an ostrich his arse might do the trick
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on April 11, 2016, 08:09:04 PM: Quote from: SheffieldVillain on April 11, 2016, 07:28:48 PM
Quote from: RussellC on April 11, 2016, 04:15:12 PM
McCormack's 29 too, which I'm sure will put us off at that price. Zac Clough at Bolton has been mentioned a few times and he looks to be a player of a similar mold, albeit it younger and cheaper.

If we're looking to go shopping at Fulham, we should be going for Dembele in my opinion.

Already sold to Spurs and loaned back, I think? Good player though.

Was mooted in January but didn't happen I think.

But it does suggest that when he does move it'll be to dine at a fancier table than ours.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SheffieldVillain on April 11, 2016, 08:59:02 PM: Quote from: Dave on April 11, 2016, 08:09:04 PM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on April 11, 2016, 07:28:48 PM
Quote from: RussellC on April 11, 2016, 04:15:12 PM
McCormack's 29 too, which I'm sure will put us off at that price. Zac Clough at Bolton has been mentioned a few times and he looks to be a player of a similar mold, albeit it younger and cheaper.

If we're looking to go shopping at Fulham, we should be going for Dembele in my opinion.

Already sold to Spurs and loaned back, I think? Good player though.

Was mooted in January but didn't happen I think.

But it does suggest that when he does move it'll be to dine at a fancier table than ours.

Yes, you're right - just checked it. I must have imagined it - I could have sworn that had happened!

He'll definitely have better offers. Certainly the type of player we should be looking at though, mixed in with two or three old hands with good characters.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: john2710 on April 11, 2016, 09:20:57 PM: Quote from: aj2k77 on April 11, 2016, 03:02:33 PM
Gestede looks like a one season wonder to me. I haven't seen anything in his game that makes me think we could build a decent team around him with him as the figure head.

I'd like to know who watched him play & thought he could make it in the Premier League, especially in a team without wingers or anyone who can deliver a decent set piece.

We'll need a better, more mobile option next season if we are to get close to the top 6.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Nirog72 on April 11, 2016, 09:35:57 PM: Won't need a new defensive midfielder if Gardner plays for us like he has for Forest tonight. Just gone off injured though 🙄
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on April 11, 2016, 09:42:05 PM: Quote from: Nirog72 on April 11, 2016, 09:35:57 PM
Won't need a new defensive midfielder if Gardner plays for us like he has for Forest tonight. Just gone off injured though 🙄

gardner injured?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on April 11, 2016, 09:42:24 PM: We seem to have acknowledged that we need some kind of continuity, surely tactics of 'knock it up to the big man' are pretty short sighted and go against this as it won't work if we come back up.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 11, 2016, 10:05:13 PM: Quote from: glasses on April 11, 2016, 05:23:55 PM
Quote from: RussellC on April 11, 2016, 04:15:12 PM
McCormack's 29 too, which I'm sure will put us off at that price. Zac Clough at Bolton has been mentioned a few times and he looks to be a player of a similar mold, albeit it younger and cheaper.

If we're looking to go shopping at Fulham, we should be going for Dembele in my opinion.
Both much more realistic than the likes of Charlie adam and Ulloa, which is my main point. Didn't know how old McCormack was. He scores goals though.

How is McCormack realistic, Fulham paid about 12m for him!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 11, 2016, 10:06:20 PM: Maybe get Routledge back, in and out of the Swansea team these days but surely he'd still be a handful down there.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Mister E on April 11, 2016, 10:12:10 PM: Quote from: john2710 on April 11, 2016, 09:20:57 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on April 11, 2016, 03:02:33 PM
Gestede looks like a one season wonder to me. I haven't seen anything in his game that makes me think we could build a decent team around him with him as the figure head.

I'd like to know who watched him play & thought he could make it in the Premier League...
Gestede was claimed by Sherwood who trumpeted the fact that he'd been watching him for 5 seasons.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: A Northern Soul on April 11, 2016, 10:22:30 PM: Is Joe Bennett getting much game time at Sheff Wed? I know each of our last 2 managers took one look and sent him on loan but he, like Gardner, has ample championship experience by now and, limited as he may have been in the PL, may be a cheap fix if Amavi escapes in the summer
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on April 11, 2016, 10:55:48 PM: Quote from: Mister E on April 11, 2016, 10:12:10 PM
Quote from: john2710 on April 11, 2016, 09:20:57 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on April 11, 2016, 03:02:33 PM
Gestede looks like a one season wonder to me. I haven't seen anything in his game that makes me think we could build a decent team around him with him as the figure head.

I'd like to know who watched him play & thought he could make it in the Premier League...
Gestede was claimed by Sherwood who trumpeted the fact that he'd been watching him for 5 seasons.

So Dim Tim was watching him when he couldn't hit a barn door for Cardiff and still signed him?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on April 12, 2016, 12:01:14 AM: Quote from: john2710 on April 11, 2016, 09:20:57 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on April 11, 2016, 03:02:33 PM
Gestede looks like a one season wonder to me. I haven't seen anything in his game that makes me think we could build a decent team around him with him as the figure head.

I'd like to know who watched him play & thought he could make it in the Premier League, especially in a team without wingers or anyone who can deliver a decent set piece.

We'll need a better, more mobile option next season if we are to get close to the top 6.

Totally agree. Gestede will be OK for 20 minute cameos when needed, but we need better. Zac Clough has been mentioned, but he has only scored six goals this season.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KevinGage on April 12, 2016, 12:07:56 AM: Quote from: Mister E on April 11, 2016, 10:12:10 PM
Quote from: john2710 on April 11, 2016, 09:20:57 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on April 11, 2016, 03:02:33 PM
Gestede looks like a one season wonder to me. I haven't seen anything in his game that makes me think we could build a decent team around him with him as the figure head.

I'd like to know who watched him play & thought he could make it in the Premier League...
Gestede was claimed by Sherwood who trumpeted the fact that he'd been watching him for 5 seasons.

Tactics takes a fair amount of stick, not all of it justified.

But if he genuinely watched Gestede for five years and STILL signed him he shouldn't be let anywhere near another football club.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on April 12, 2016, 12:22:43 AM: Saw that Alan Judge at Brentford - who I would think quite a few teams are looking at - broke his leg in two places on Saturday.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on April 12, 2016, 01:13:56 PM: Quote from: KevinGage on April 12, 2016, 12:07:56 AM
Quote from: Mister E on April 11, 2016, 10:12:10 PM
Quote from: john2710 on April 11, 2016, 09:20:57 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on April 11, 2016, 03:02:33 PM
Gestede looks like a one season wonder to me. I haven't seen anything in his game that makes me think we could build a decent team around him with him as the figure head.

I'd like to know who watched him play & thought he could make it in the Premier League...
Gestede was claimed by Sherwood who trumpeted the fact that he'd been watching him for 5 seasons.

Tactics takes a fair amount of stick, not all of it justified.

But if he genuinely watched Gestede for five years and STILL signed him he shouldn't be let anywhere near another football club.
I don't know about that.

I can think of at least 5 or 6 clubs where it should be compulsory that gets 6-12 months at teh job.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on April 12, 2016, 01:46:26 PM: Quote from: tomd2103 on April 12, 2016, 12:22:43 AM
Saw that Alan Judge at Brentford - who I would think quite a few teams are looking at - broke his leg in two places on Saturday.

We might have a chance then. Do a Downing and come in on crutches.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: glasses on April 12, 2016, 02:01:28 PM: Quote from: SoccerHQ on April 11, 2016, 10:05:13 PM
Quote from: glasses on April 11, 2016, 05:23:55 PM
Quote from: RussellC on April 11, 2016, 04:15:12 PM
McCormack's 29 too, which I'm sure will put us off at that price. Zac Clough at Bolton has been mentioned a few times and he looks to be a player of a similar mold, albeit it younger and cheaper.

If we're looking to go shopping at Fulham, we should be going for Dembele in my opinion.
Both much more realistic than the likes of Charlie adam and Ulloa, which is my main point. Didn't know how old McCormack was. He scores goals though.

How is McCormack realistic, Fulham paid about 12m for him!
He would actually join us if we paid enough money for him as we'd be a better option for him. In that respect he's much more realistic. We are going to find out very soon that players who are cheap and would normally be good signings won't come near us with a shitty stick.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on April 12, 2016, 03:18:58 PM: so Ross Mac would because he's a mercenary money grabbing cocksocket? if that's the argument, thanks but no thanks. If it isn't apologies.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on April 12, 2016, 03:22:16 PM: Wrong Thread.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: glasses on April 12, 2016, 03:42:15 PM: Quote from: mr underhill on April 12, 2016, 03:18:58 PM
so Ross Mac would because he's a mercenary money grabbing cocksocket? if that's the argument, thanks but no thanks. If it isn't apologies.
completely misunderstood what I was saying
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on April 12, 2016, 03:52:21 PM: Cyrus Christie, Derby right back?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on April 12, 2016, 03:56:57 PM: glasses I did apologies if I'd got the wrong end of the stick. so apologies.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 12, 2016, 11:49:42 PM: Quote from: aj2k77 on April 12, 2016, 03:52:21 PM
Cyrus Christie, Derby right back?

Yeh bought him on FIFA 16, very quick, dives in a lot.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: rapidlad on April 15, 2016, 09:00:58 AM: I had a dream last night that Gareth Barry was brought back as a holding midfielder and the club gave him the captains armband!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on April 15, 2016, 09:07:07 AM: Make sure you put the sheets in the wash. Welcome by the way rapidlad. We love dreamers on here especially wet ones.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: rapidlad on April 15, 2016, 09:45:24 AM: Thanks!! I may be wrong but I think Barry sounded out the villa when his time at Man City was up. Couldn't afford his wages as we had Charlie boy on £7million a week!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Chris Jameson on April 15, 2016, 12:54:37 PM: Quote from: Toronto Villa on April 12, 2016, 11:49:42 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on April 12, 2016, 03:52:21 PM
Cyrus Christie, Derby right back?

Yeh bought him on FIFA 16, very quick, dives in a lot.

I'd never heard of him until Wednesday when a colleague was telling me about her friends nephew who plays for Derby. All I know about him is that he bought a house either for his aunty or his mum, I lost track.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ger Regan on April 15, 2016, 01:03:48 PM: I'd try and get Jack Byrne on loan for a year. He looks very promising.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 15, 2016, 01:19:36 PM: Quote from: SheffieldVillain on April 11, 2016, 07:28:48 PM
Quote from: RussellC on April 11, 2016, 04:15:12 PM
McCormack's 29 too, which I'm sure will put us off at that price. Zac Clough at Bolton has been mentioned a few times and he looks to be a player of a similar mold, albeit it younger and cheaper.

If we're looking to go shopping at Fulham, we should be going for Dembele in my opinion.

Already sold to Spurs and loaned back, I think? Good player though.

I thought that had happened too, but his wiki page suggests not.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on April 15, 2016, 01:23:39 PM: It fell through on deadline day.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 15, 2016, 01:24:55 PM: Quote from: Ger Regan on April 15, 2016, 01:03:48 PM
I'd try and get Jack Byrne on loan for a year. He looks very promising.

After Man U have thrown another £100m on strikers we should ask to borrow Rashford for a season. If he ends up as 4th choice striker it might be viewed that he will develop better from a season long loan. Get promoted and he can stay for another season. Too ambitious?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on April 15, 2016, 02:10:26 PM: Quote from: Dante Lavelli on April 15, 2016, 01:24:55 PM
Quote from: Ger Regan on April 15, 2016, 01:03:48 PM
I'd try and get Jack Byrne on loan for a year. He looks very promising.

After Man U have thrown another £100m on strikers we should ask to borrow Rashford for a season. If he ends up as 4th choice striker it might be viewed that he will develop better from a season long loan. Get promoted and he can stay for another season. Too ambitious?

No, not too ambitious, I just don't think he'd get in ahead of Gabby.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on April 15, 2016, 02:43:18 PM: I think Rashford will play for them a lot surely
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave Cooper please on April 15, 2016, 02:43:36 PM: Quote from: Clark W Griswold on April 15, 2016, 02:10:26 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on April 15, 2016, 01:24:55 PM
Quote from: Ger Regan on April 15, 2016, 01:03:48 PM
I'd try and get Jack Byrne on loan for a year. He looks very promising.

After Man U have thrown another £100m on strikers we should ask to borrow Rashford for a season. If he ends up as 4th choice striker it might be viewed that he will develop better from a season long loan. Get promoted and he can stay for another season. Too ambitious?

No, not too ambitious, I just don't think he'd get in to the buffet ahead of Gabby.

Fixed.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brontebilly on April 15, 2016, 05:33:15 PM: Quote from: Chris Jameson on April 15, 2016, 12:54:37 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on April 12, 2016, 11:49:42 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on April 12, 2016, 03:52:21 PM
Cyrus Christie, Derby right back?

Yeh bought him on FIFA 16, very quick, dives in a lot.

I'd never heard of him until Wednesday when a colleague was telling me about her friends nephew who plays for Derby. All I know about him is that he bought a house either for his aunty or his mum, I lost track.

has done well in his limited Ireland appearances to date, strong and quick

not the greatest footballer in the world mind but at 23 and from the general area (Coventry) wouldnt be the worst shout in the world
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on April 16, 2016, 02:01:04 AM: I see Olsson and MacAuley signed new deals at Albion but not news of Morrison yet? He is one I would take on a free if he was available this summer, would add something to our midfield when the inevitable departures happen.

I would also like to see us go and get Bamford on loan early in the summer. Proven in the Championship and I reckon would do well with Gestede in a 4-4-2.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt C on April 16, 2016, 02:32:07 AM: We need to thoroughly use and abuse the loan system next season.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 16, 2016, 08:43:43 AM: Quote from: ozzjim on April 16, 2016, 02:01:04 AM
I see Olsson and MacAuley signed new deals at Albion but not news of Morrison yet? He is one I would take on a free if he was available this summer, would add something to our midfield when the inevitable departures happen.

I would also like to see us go and get Bamford on loan early in the summer. Proven in the Championship and I reckon would do well with Gestede in a 4-4-2.

I agree with Bamford despite him not doing much at Norwich and palace. Would loathe to see 442 again though.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Mister E on April 16, 2016, 09:15:54 AM: I cringe at the thought of getting cast-offs from the Bitters.
I'm intrigued to see how the likes of Donacien, Robinson, Gardner, Baker, Bennett and Steer look after extended loans. I'd like to see us bring in a couple of young up-and-coming players from our academy. I'd like to see one or two 26-27 years-old Championship stalwarts introduced (like Morgan from Leicester was; and Swnasea's Williams was).
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on April 16, 2016, 09:18:36 AM: You have the neck to suggest bringing in a cou?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on April 16, 2016, 09:19:30 AM: Spoilsport
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Mister E on April 16, 2016, 09:19:43 AM: Quote from: brian green on April 16, 2016, 09:18:36 AM
You have the neck to suggest bringing in a cou?
worling in mini iPads on this site is not easy with big fingers!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on April 16, 2016, 09:22:56 AM: Wait till you get arthritis in them. It is like having two bunches of bananas sticking out of your sleeves. I type with my nose.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Chris Smith on April 16, 2016, 09:47:53 AM: Quote from: Mister E on April 16, 2016, 09:19:43 AM
Quote from: brian green on April 16, 2016, 09:18:36 AM
You have the neck to suggest bringing in a cou?
worling in mini iPads on this site is not easy with big fingers!

You need to get a stylus thingy, makes things far easier and the only typos I get now are down to my own stupidity.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on April 16, 2016, 11:35:15 AM: Quote from: ozzjim on April 16, 2016, 02:01:04 AM
I see Olsson and MacAuley signed new deals at Albion but not news of Morrison yet? He is one I would take on a free if he was available this summer, would add something to our midfield when the inevitable departures happen.

I would also like to see us go and get Bamford on loan early in the summer. Proven in the Championship and I reckon would do well with Gestede in a 4-4-2.

Morison would be a good signing and in an advanced midfield role would probably get a few goals as well. If we could keep Gana, then adding Charlie Adam to those two would make a good midfield at that level.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: andyh on April 16, 2016, 08:31:18 PM: More than anything else, we need a REAL captain, a real leader.
After watching him today, and for the Championship, we could do worse than Lee Catermole.

I can't believe I'm saying something like that, but needs must.
Title: Re: Championship Players
Post by: godzvilla on April 18, 2016, 03:47:16 PM: Quote from: aj2k77 on March 02, 2016, 10:51:35 AM
Bradley Dack from some first division club I forget the name of, looks a good little creative player, sell Gil.
.
Good call,aj2k77......" Gillingham's Bradley Dack just named Player of the Season in Sky Bet League One after an impressive campaign with the promotion hopefuls ".
In our new ´Parish´ Andre Gray won this award.... ahead of Brentford midfielder Alan Judge and Fulham forward Ross McCormack.
Sadly, Judge just broke his leg, he looked ´the business, this season.....................Godzvilla!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Concrete John on April 18, 2016, 03:56:29 PM: Quote from: Matt C on April 16, 2016, 02:32:07 AM
We need to thoroughly use and abuse the loan system next season.

This I'm not too sure about. Quick fixes may get us straight back up, but with the same problems and we'll struggle again. I'd rather a long term view is taken and if that meant an extra season or two in the Championship, then do be it.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on April 26, 2016, 08:03:54 AM: Burnley in for Westwood according to the Daily Mail.

First person to post 'I'll drive him there myself' gets a prize.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: prmort on April 26, 2016, 08:12:55 AM: I'll warm the car up... :-)
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 26, 2016, 08:13:26 AM: I'll carry him there.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aev on April 26, 2016, 08:24:25 AM: I can point him the way.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: The Laughing Policeman on April 26, 2016, 08:25:26 AM: I'll stump up the bus fare.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: nigel on April 26, 2016, 08:26:53 AM: Quote from: prmort on April 26, 2016, 08:12:55 AM
I'll warm the car up... :-)
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 26, 2016, 08:13:26 AM
I'll carry him there.
Quote from: aev on April 26, 2016, 08:24:25 AM
I can point him the way.
Quote from: The Laughing Policeman on April 26, 2016, 08:25:26 AM
I'll stump up the bus fare.
Quote from: PeterWithe on April 26, 2016, 08:03:54 AM
Burnley in for Westwood according to the Daily Mail.

First person to post 'I'll drive him there myself' gets a prize.

And where will our goals come from?? ;)
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: The Laughing Policeman on April 26, 2016, 08:31:32 AM: If it's true that Burnley are in for Westwood then my opinion of the Ginger Mouriniho has just plummeted.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SamTheMouse on April 26, 2016, 08:42:30 AM: Quote from: PeterWithe on April 26, 2016, 08:03:54 AM
Burnley in for Westwood according to the Daily Mail.

First person to post 'I'll drive him there myself' gets a prize.

I will personally lead him there on a donkey.

It's a long way, mind. Probably have to get Gestede reshod first.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mattjpa on April 26, 2016, 09:11:34 AM: Everyone is entitled to their opinions and im probably in a minority but Westwood is one of about 5 or 6 I would actually keep. Lets see what he can do in a decent team with a proper manager and coaching staff before we give up on him
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: chrisw1 on April 26, 2016, 09:19:49 AM: Does nobody think Westwood could well be a useful player next year? We're not going to sign 20 new players, so we're going to have to make use of some of the current squad. I think he may be able to do a job at that level with some fresh blood around him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ROBBO on April 26, 2016, 09:21:49 AM: He may be better suited in the championship but what happens when we get promoted next season?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: chrisw1 on April 26, 2016, 09:24:19 AM: Quote from: ROBBO on April 26, 2016, 09:21:49 AM
He may be better suited in the championship but what happens when we get promoted next season?
sell him then if the manager doesn't want to work with him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on April 26, 2016, 10:01:54 AM: Quote from: ROBBO on April 26, 2016, 09:21:49 AM
He may be better suited in the championship but what happens when we get promoted next season?
Sounds like that could be Dyche's problem.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on April 26, 2016, 10:06:08 AM: I'd also keep Westwood. Buy Myhill. Maybe Judge also as his price would plummet and he'd be back by Christmas. Get Dann from Palace if we can persuade him and/ or Turner from Hull. Barton if Burnley are selling and bid for Redmond from Norwich. McCormack from Fulham and Pearson to fill in the gaps from his extensive scouting network.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SheffieldVillain on April 26, 2016, 10:22:54 AM: Quote from: peter w on April 26, 2016, 10:06:08 AM
I'd also keep Westwood. Buy Myhill. Maybe Judge also as his price would plummet and he'd be back by Christmas. Get Dann from Palace if we can persuade him and/ or Turner from Hull. Barton if Burnley are selling and bid for Redmond from Norwich. McCormack from Fulham and Pearson to fill in the gaps from his extensive scouting network.

Pearson left his extensive scouting network at Leicester when they fired him.

A Dann/Turner CB type would be a good signing. I hate Barton with a passion. McCormack probably a bit expensive since they paid a lot for him.

I'd like to see us go for Zak Clough from Bolton and Lewis Cook from Leeds. Good young players who could go up and improve with us. I'd also try to bring in Peter Crouch for a bit of experience. I'd also like to see if we could pinch Matt Phillips from QPR.

I'd be tempted to give Jed Steer a chance as first choice goalie and maybe bring in someone experienced as back-up in case he can't hack it. Maybe Jaaskelainen or someone like that.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on April 26, 2016, 10:24:49 AM: You've just spent £40m+ there and possibly convinced 4 Premier league players to join a basket case championship club. It aint gonna happen.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SheffieldVillain on April 26, 2016, 11:54:14 AM: Quote from: aj2k77 on April 26, 2016, 10:24:49 AM
You've just spent £40m+ there and possibly convinced 4 Premier league players to join a basket case championship club. It aint gonna happen.

Me or Peter?

Clough is available for a reasonable contract clause I believe, Crouch would cost pennies as would Jaaskelainen. Cook 4-5 million plus add-ons, Phillips would be the expensive one of that lot.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on April 26, 2016, 12:05:00 PM: Quote from: SheffieldVillain on April 26, 2016, 11:54:14 AM
Quote from: aj2k77 on April 26, 2016, 10:24:49 AM
You've just spent £40m+ there and possibly convinced 4 Premier league players to join a basket case championship club. It aint gonna happen.

Me or Peter?

Clough is available for a reasonable contract clause I believe, Crouch would cost pennies as would Jaaskelainen. Cook 4-5 million plus add-ons, Phillips would be the expensive one of that lot.

I assume he means Peter. Redmond, Dann, Myhill and Barton on the assumption Burnley go up.

Myhill is a very sensible suggestion I reckon. The others not so much.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on April 26, 2016, 12:09:07 PM: What's wrong with Steer? he's just spent best part of 2 years in the championship? As far as I am aware he's done prety well
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on April 26, 2016, 12:12:20 PM: Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on April 26, 2016, 12:09:07 PM
What's wrong with Steer? he's just spent best part of 2 years in the championship? As far as I am aware he's done prety well

Nothing's wrong with him.

Wouldn't really complain if he started the season as first-choice either.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: chrisw1 on April 26, 2016, 12:22:23 PM: If Carlsberg did comebacks, this would be one position sorted:

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/stiliyan-petrov-want-play-aston-11243344
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on April 26, 2016, 12:39:10 PM: Forgot about Steer. Hopefully pearson has been to watch him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Lobsterboy on April 26, 2016, 01:37:56 PM: Quote from: chrisw1 on April 26, 2016, 09:19:49 AM
Does nobody think Westwood could well be a useful player next year? We're not going to sign 20 new players, so we're going to have to make use of some of the current squad. I think he may be able to do a job at that level with some fresh blood around him.

I think this may be one of the problems we face over the summer in that the few players we want to keep are the ones that will probably attract interest (Ayew, Gana, Grealish, Westwood) and the ones we want to get rid of no one will touch with a barge pole (Gabby, Lescott, Bacuna, Guzan)

Hope I am proved wrong but agree I don't think bringing 20 new faces to the club is the answer no matter how shit we have been this season
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: old man villa fan on April 26, 2016, 01:46:56 PM: Quote from: chrisw1 on April 26, 2016, 09:19:49 AM
Does nobody think Westwood could well be a useful player next year? We're not going to sign 20 new players, so we're going to have to make use of some of the current squad. I think he may be able to do a job at that level with some fresh blood around him.

Westwood plays a pivotal position in the team. We should not be putting better players around him to make up for his weakness. It is no coincidence that virtually every midfield player plays worse when he is in the team.

We do not need to bring in 20 players. There are key positions that we need to be looking to bring players in for but it does not stretch to anywhere near 20.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on April 27, 2016, 03:33:00 PM: Linked with IFK Norrkoping midfielder Arnór Ingvi Traustason, according to claims in the Icelandic media.

If they get that one right when we have no manager and look to be in the middle of a takeover, I'll be very impressed.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Pete on April 27, 2016, 03:44:17 PM: Quote from: SheffieldVillain on April 26, 2016, 10:22:54 AM
Quote from: peter w on April 26, 2016, 10:06:08 AM
I'd be tempted to give Jed Steer a chance as first choice goalie and maybe bring in someone experienced as back-up in case he can't hack it. Maybe Jaaskelainen or someone like that.

Town fans are keen for Steer to be signed permanently. He's become highly rated up here.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: David_Nab on April 27, 2016, 03:55:38 PM: Amavi wants out apparently

http://www.getfootballnewsfrance.com/2016/exclusive-aston-villa-jordan-amavi-future-talks-underway/
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 27, 2016, 04:08:36 PM: Quote from: David_Nab on April 27, 2016, 03:55:38 PM
Amavi wants out apparently

http://www.getfootballnewsfrance.com/2016/exclusive-aston-villa-jordan-amavi-future-talks-underway/

If that's true that's pretty shoddy of him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Richard E on April 27, 2016, 04:12:02 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on April 27, 2016, 04:08:36 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on April 27, 2016, 03:55:38 PM
Amavi wants out apparently

http://www.getfootballnewsfrance.com/2016/exclusive-aston-villa-jordan-amavi-future-talks-underway/

If that's true that's pretty shoddy of him.

His agent will be wanting to get him back on Premier League wages, which is his agent doing his job.

I'd imagine he'll be told that unless someone offers us silly money he will be expected to give us next season bearing in mind we have (through not fault of his, granted) not got much out of him this one.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on April 27, 2016, 04:18:05 PM: He want's out? He's not even fit!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on April 27, 2016, 04:26:23 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on April 27, 2016, 04:08:36 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on April 27, 2016, 03:55:38 PM
Amavi wants out apparently

http://www.getfootballnewsfrance.com/2016/exclusive-aston-villa-jordan-amavi-future-talks-underway/

If that's true that's pretty shoddy of him.

That he hopes that if somebody makes an offer for his client that meets our value that we accept it?

I'm not sure that's different to any player anywhere.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on April 27, 2016, 04:29:48 PM: I would have been surprised if this had not happened.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 27, 2016, 04:32:47 PM: He's unlikely to attract a (reasonable) bid until January anyway given his injury.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: HolmesyVilla on April 27, 2016, 05:26:48 PM: Agree the points above, Amavi has been a massive loss for us so got to hope that no team wants to take a punt with him, as I should think a bid of £12+ mill would get him
Vital player in many ways for us
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on April 27, 2016, 10:14:45 PM: Amavi have to prove his fitness so if there is a transfer it will be in January not summer 2016
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 27, 2016, 10:52:31 PM: Quote from: David_Nab on April 27, 2016, 03:55:38 PM
Amavi wants out apparently

http://www.getfootballnewsfrance.com/2016/exclusive-aston-villa-jordan-amavi-future-talks-underway/

How did you get Amavi wants out from that article?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 27, 2016, 11:00:57 PM: Quote from: Toronto Villa on April 27, 2016, 10:52:31 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on April 27, 2016, 03:55:38 PM
Amavi wants out apparently

http://www.getfootballnewsfrance.com/2016/exclusive-aston-villa-jordan-amavi-future-talks-underway/

How did you get Amavi wants out from that article?

I don't really give a shit either way, but surely this paragraph could be a hint?

Quote
It is our understanding that the player’s representatives will ask Aston Villa during these talks to not stand in Jordan Amavi’s way should a presentable offer be made for their left-back’s services this summer.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on April 27, 2016, 11:14:58 PM: Quote from: HolmesyVilla on April 27, 2016, 05:26:48 PM
Agree the points above, Amavi has been a massive loss for us so got to hope that no team wants to take a punt with him, as I should think a bid of £12+ mill would get him
Vital player in many ways for us

To be honest, I would snap someone's hand off if they offered £12m+ for him. As decent as he looked going forward, he looked very suspect defensively, so if an offer like that came in for him, I wouldn't stand in his way.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on April 27, 2016, 11:26:02 PM: With any that go, I hope we insert 25% sell on clauses. Especially on Adama and Amavi!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 27, 2016, 11:39:03 PM: Would keep Amavi until January, it's unlikely clubs will bid significant money for someone who's been injured for 6 months.

I know we did with Downing but he was proven in the premier league, Amavi for all his potential isn't.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: paul_e on April 28, 2016, 12:02:50 AM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 27, 2016, 11:00:57 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on April 27, 2016, 10:52:31 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on April 27, 2016, 03:55:38 PM
Amavi wants out apparently

http://www.getfootballnewsfrance.com/2016/exclusive-aston-villa-jordan-amavi-future-talks-underway/

How did you get Amavi wants out from that article?

I don't really give a shit either way, but surely this paragraph could be a hint?

Quote
It is our understanding that the player’s representatives will ask Aston Villa during these talks to not stand in Jordan Amavi’s way should a presentable offer be made for their left-back’s services this summer.

This highlights one of the things I find frustrating on this forum at times (this isn't personal Paulie, it just happens to be your post that triggered this but there are plenty more) a nobody internet 'journalist' posts that we're going to be taken over by the president of Saturn and it's instant bullshit and condemnation, a similarly unqualified writer posts that he 'understands' (with no quotes) that Amavi's agent wants Villa to accept a decent offer if one comes in and it means that he wants out and there's very little dispute about it.

Quote from: tomd2103 on April 27, 2016, 11:14:58 PM
Quote from: HolmesyVilla on April 27, 2016, 05:26:48 PM
Agree the points above, Amavi has been a massive loss for us so got to hope that no team wants to take a punt with him, as I should think a bid of £12+ mill would get him
Vital player in many ways for us

To be honest, I would snap someone's hand off if they offered £12m+ for him. As decent as he looked going forward, he looked very suspect defensively, so if an offer like that came in for him, I wouldn't stand in his way.

I agree that he made some defensive errors but I completely disagree letting him go, from what I've seen I fully believe he will be a world class fullback in a couple of years and if there's any chance that we can keep him for that long we should take it.

Our entire defence has been a shambles most of the season and that has largely been down to being a disorganised mess, yes there have been individual errors but if they were well drilled and knew their jobs I think a lot of those errors would be cut out, I put a huge amount of blame on the quality of the coaching over the summer which left us with a team that looked unfit, disorganised at set pieces and as if they were strangers who had barely spoken to each other and had formed into little cliques that didn't like each other very much.

I don't think any player can thrive in that environment and both Garde and Black have completely failed to fix the underlying faults that it left, for that reason players who have looked to have a bit of something about them but haven't been able to push on get a pass from me, that includes okore, amavi, veretout, gana, ayew, grealish and adama. On top of that there are a few who i think put the effort in and have enough for me to think they can contribute in the championship: bunn, hutton, clark, westwood, sanchez, kozak and gestede. Most of the first team squad after that can go because they either have the wrong attitude, have lost the support, aren't good enough or a combiniation of the lot. Add steer, gardner and baker coming back from loan and I make that 17 players that I'm happy to see in the squad so we still need a fair bit of work to do but it feels more manageable than the 'dump them all and start again' approach that some are calling for which I believe would be a disaster.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 28, 2016, 12:51:20 AM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on April 27, 2016, 11:00:57 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on April 27, 2016, 10:52:31 PM
Quote from: David_Nab on April 27, 2016, 03:55:38 PM
Amavi wants out apparently

http://www.getfootballnewsfrance.com/2016/exclusive-aston-villa-jordan-amavi-future-talks-underway/

How did you get Amavi wants out from that article?

I don't really give a shit either way, but surely this paragraph could be a hint?

Quote
It is our understanding that the player’s representatives will ask Aston Villa during these talks to not stand in Jordan Amavi’s way should a presentable offer be made for their left-back’s services this summer.

What, you mean where the website says "it is our understanding" as opposed to anything the player or agent has actually said? If the Daily Mirror, The Sun, TS or Sky had said that it would be completely dismissed. Now, if you are suggesting that logically the player might not want to play in the Championship I might get that, but until then the article doesn't actually state with any certainty that the player wants out.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 28, 2016, 12:53:00 AM: Quote from: tomd2103 on April 27, 2016, 11:14:58 PM
Quote from: HolmesyVilla on April 27, 2016, 05:26:48 PM
Agree the points above, Amavi has been a massive loss for us so got to hope that no team wants to take a punt with him, as I should think a bid of £12+ mill would get him
Vital player in many ways for us

To be honest, I would snap someone's hand off if they offered £12m+ for him. As decent as he looked going forward, he looked very suspect defensively, so if an offer like that came in for him, I wouldn't stand in his way.

The thing is why would they. He clearly had a very promising start to his PL career with us. But it was very short, and then he's had a serious season ending injury. He's not going to have gone up in value, if anything his value would have declined.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Hookeysmith on April 28, 2016, 08:59:47 AM: Gareth Barry
Charlie Adam
Joey Barton
Petrov?

I really think we need to have an old head in the middle of the park who can lead a good blend of youth around them

If Boro do not come up then I would go for Jordan Rhodes as well - perfect partner for Gestede
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Duncan Shaw on April 28, 2016, 09:09:45 AM: Quote from: Hookeysmith on April 28, 2016, 08:59:47 AM
Gareth Barry
Charlie Adam
Joey Barton
Petrov?

I really think we need to have an old head in the middle of the park who can lead a good blend of youth around them

If Boro do not come up then I would go for Jordan Rhodes as well - perfect partner for Gestede

Not Adam, we've already got Flabby!
To me getting Barry back to sit him in the midfield next season and keep things ticking over without having to run around too much would be one of the best peices of business we could do this summer.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sid1964 on April 28, 2016, 09:32:45 AM: Lets be honest there is no chance that Gareth Barry will leave his £70k a week at Everton to join us!

Also Jordan Rhodes, are we going to spend £12million on him, not a chance

The Joey Barton ship has long sailed, we would have had a chance of getting him last summer, but I seem to remember on here when it was mentioned , that most were totally opposed to signing him as we was not a Saint on the pitch and would lower our standing as righteous club!

For me we will probably be looking at players who are out of contract and maybe a few young lads from Championship / Division 1 sides
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: curiousorange on April 28, 2016, 09:42:38 AM: Personally I don't think Joey Barton would have been a success here, even forgetting his questionable personality. He was part of a similar basketcase squad of mercenaries and chancers at QPR and they ended up being relegated because, much like us, they were crap. Barton's bully-boy persona didn't help a jot.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on April 28, 2016, 09:58:30 AM: Albeit in a division below Barton has just been named in the PFA team of the year. I'm not so sure any of our current midfielders will be in it at the end of next season.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on April 28, 2016, 10:29:30 AM: Barton would have loved it at the Villa, as well as he's played he's still a really nasty prick though, didn't he put in a stamping tackle only a couple of weeks ago that he got away with? I'd rather not have his sort here. There's midfield hardmen and then there's nasty, snide, animals like him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on April 28, 2016, 10:31:37 AM: Quote from: Hookeysmith on April 28, 2016, 08:59:47 AM
Gareth Barry
Charlie Adam
Joey Barton
Petrov?

I really think we need to have an old head in the middle of the park who can lead a good blend of youth around them

If Boro do not come up then I would go for Jordan Rhodes as well - perfect partner for Gestede

I would take Adam in a heartbeat and I would make him captain. Would be a good foil for Gana if we can keep him and is a good set piece taker, something we've been missing for years.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on April 28, 2016, 11:14:11 AM: Barton is useful for a season in the championship. He'd have been very little help to us this season though. I'd also guess he'd have only added to the fractious nature of the squad and would have firmly been "one of the lads" with Gabby, Lescott and Richards.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on April 28, 2016, 11:15:08 AM: Quote from: tomd2103 on April 28, 2016, 10:31:37 AM
Quote from: Hookeysmith on April 28, 2016, 08:59:47 AM
Gareth Barry
Charlie Adam
Joey Barton
Petrov?

I really think we need to have an old head in the middle of the park who can lead a good blend of youth around them

If Boro do not come up then I would go for Jordan Rhodes as well - perfect partner for Gestede

I would take Adam in a heartbeat and I would make him captain. Would be a good foil for Gana if we can keep him and is a good set piece taker, something we've been missing for years.
I'm not a big Adam fan but he'd be very good in the championship and his inability to run wouldn't stand out as much as in the top flight. That said, I'd rather bring the Scottish Messi back.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: maidstonevillain on April 28, 2016, 11:32:48 AM: Quote from: supertom on April 28, 2016, 11:14:11 AM
Barton is useful for a season in the championship. He'd have been very little help to us this season though. I'd also guess he'd have only added to the fractious nature of the squad and would have firmly been "one of the lads" with Gabby, Lescott and Richards.

I am not sure he would. I think he is a bit too bright for that.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Monty on April 28, 2016, 11:39:34 AM: Not sure about partners for Gestede - given how immobile he is we'd need the smartest and fittest midfield duo in the world to compensate, which I'm not sure is something we'll be getting any time soon.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: maidstonevillain on April 28, 2016, 11:47:35 AM: Just noticed Barry Bannan was in the PFA championship team of the season. He is probably a bit out of our league now.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on April 28, 2016, 12:02:22 PM: Quote from: maidstonevillain on April 28, 2016, 11:32:48 AM
Quote from: supertom on April 28, 2016, 11:14:11 AM
Barton is useful for a season in the championship. He'd have been very little help to us this season though. I'd also guess he'd have only added to the fractious nature of the squad and would have firmly been "one of the lads" with Gabby, Lescott and Richards.

I am not sure he would. I think he is a bit too bright for that.

He may have added to the fractious nature but I have no idea how you can think he'd firmly be in the lads camp. The polar opposite actually. However much of a prick people think he is he would not accept the lack of effort from the likes of Gabby.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: dave shelley on April 28, 2016, 12:57:21 PM: Some people want Pearson, others don't want Barton. Similar individuals as far as I'm concerned. Difference? One is still playing.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on April 28, 2016, 01:14:08 PM: And sadly both will probably instantly improve us.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on April 28, 2016, 01:58:25 PM: Quote from: tomd2103 on April 28, 2016, 10:31:37 AM
Quote from: Hookeysmith on April 28, 2016, 08:59:47 AM
Gareth Barry
Charlie Adam
Joey Barton
Petrov?

I really think we need to have an old head in the middle of the park who can lead a good blend of youth around them

If Boro do not come up then I would go for Jordan Rhodes as well - perfect partner for Gestede

I would take Adam in a heartbeat and I would make him captain. Would be a good foil for Gana if we can keep him and is a good set piece taker, something we've been missing for years.

Really? I thought he was just a fat Cnut.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on April 28, 2016, 04:14:43 PM: I saw Charlie Adam come on for Stoke the other day and he was awful. He seems to have spent the time since he left Liverpool munching on pies.

I agree that we could use some experience in the middle. Barton would do the job, but he's so loathsome that I wouldn't want him at Villa. Not sure we'd get Barry tbh.

Said it before, but I would love somebody nasty and with a bit of nous, like Jonathan Walters too.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: CT on April 28, 2016, 04:32:31 PM: Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on April 28, 2016, 04:14:43 PM
I saw Charlie Adam come on for Stoke the other day and he was awful. He seems to have spent the time since he left Liverpool munching on pies.

He'll fit right in with our fitness / training regime.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Chris Jameson on April 28, 2016, 04:41:32 PM: Can't stand Charlie Adam, every time I see him the fat fuck seems to go out his way to deliberately injure somebody, seem to recall him crocking Bale a couple of times.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on April 28, 2016, 05:00:50 PM: I'd take Leon Osman on a free. Decent player. Works hard and still has a couple of good years in him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on April 28, 2016, 05:07:09 PM: Quote from: supertom on April 28, 2016, 05:00:50 PM
I'd take Leon Osman on a free. Decent player. Works hard and still has a couple of good years in him.

Yup, would be a no-frills, sensible "get you out of the Championship" signing.

I reckon he'll follow the Tony Hibbert path of spending his middle age on the Everton bench.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: OCD on April 28, 2016, 06:36:47 PM: Osman's very under-rated. Should be a regular Premier League starter.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 28, 2016, 06:58:28 PM: Osman would be a terrific signing.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Olof's Beard on April 28, 2016, 06:59:12 PM: Osman has been the experienced head I had in mind too. Barry plays every week, so I wish people would forget him. He has never had any pace, barely had an injury in his career and is still at the top of his game. He could well play at the highest level until he is 37 or 38 so he's out of the question.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on April 28, 2016, 07:06:13 PM: Quote from: Olof's Beard on April 28, 2016, 06:59:12 PM
Osman has been the experienced head I had in mind too. Barry plays every week, so I wish people would forget him. He has never had any pace, barely had an injury in his career and is still at the top of his game. He could well play at the highest level until he is 37 or 38 so he's out of the question.
The only way is if Martinez's replacement wants to rejuvinate their midfield. Downing went back to Boro having just had one of his career best seasons for West Ham. Maybe I'm romanticising it, but I'd like to think if Barry moves and has us as one of several options he'd come back.
But yeah, in reality, Probably no chance.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on April 28, 2016, 08:07:38 PM: Gibbs is leaving Arsenal and I hear he is open to any offers.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on April 28, 2016, 08:51:18 PM: Boaz Myhill as Gk
Defender - Martin Kelly palace , Bardsley and Hangelund stoke.

Midfielders- Charlie Adam, forest Lansbury , Everton Osman and Gibson. Jedinak at palace. Andy king at Leicester.

Strikers- big Chris Martin , Rickie Lambert , Jon Walters. Then someone like Frazier Campbell or Martin emnes.

Bring in some of these experienced 100% players think decent off top of head.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Richard E on April 28, 2016, 08:57:25 PM: Quote from: footyskillz on April 28, 2016, 08:51:18 PM
Boaz Myhill as Gk
Defender - Martin Kelly palace , Bardsley and Hangelund stoke.

Midfielders- Charlie Adam, forest Lansbury , Everton Osman and Gibson. Jedinak at palace. Andy king at Leicester.

Strikers- big Chris Martin , Rickie Lambert , Jon Walters. Then someone like Frazier Campbell or Martin emnes.

Bring in some of these experienced 100% players think decent off top of head.

Pretty good shouts all round there.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: BOB MANSFIELD on April 28, 2016, 09:08:18 PM: In my opinion, we could do with the Gary Barry that left Cithee for Everton. Right now he's on the McGrath-side of slow and has become a liability with all his unnecessary foul play ( worst yellow cards record, remember ). Though it's great when an ex-hero returns worth his fee. Andy Gray and Sid spring to mind.

I agree with the return of Bakes, though.

And I'd like to see Martin Waghorn and Tavernier from the 'Gers given a well-paid chance to drag us back up first go. Oh and Barry McKay too.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on April 28, 2016, 09:13:41 PM: Delaney at Palace if free is a decent shout
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on April 29, 2016, 08:41:44 AM: Waghorn would be a great addition.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: chrisw1 on April 29, 2016, 09:51:57 AM: Quote from: supertom on April 28, 2016, 05:00:50 PM
I'd take Leon Osman on a free. Decent player. Works hard and still has a couple of good years in him.
That is a very good call.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: chrisw1 on April 29, 2016, 09:56:12 AM: Quote from: footyskillz on April 28, 2016, 08:51:18 PM
Boaz Myhill as Gk
Defender - Martin Kelly palace , Bardsley and Hangelund stoke.

Midfielders- Charlie Adam, forest Lansbury , Everton Osman and Gibson. Jedinak at palace. Andy king at Leicester.

Strikers- big Chris Martin , Rickie Lambert , Jon Walters. Then someone like Frazier Campbell or Martin emnes.

Bring in some of these experienced 100% players think decent off top of head.
We need to be careful of filing our squad with workmanlike older players, particularly if they want top wages for dropping a division. We could end up with all the problems we were saddled with when MON left.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: LeeS on April 29, 2016, 10:15:47 AM: Quote from: chrisw1 on April 29, 2016, 09:56:12 AM
Quote from: footyskillz on April 28, 2016, 08:51:18 PM
Boaz Myhill as Gk
Defender - Martin Kelly palace , Bardsley and Hangelund stoke.

Midfielders- Charlie Adam, forest Lansbury , Everton Osman and Gibson. Jedinak at palace. Andy king at Leicester.

Strikers- big Chris Martin , Rickie Lambert , Jon Walters. Then someone like Frazier Campbell or Martin emnes.

Bring in some of these experienced 100% players think decent off top of head.
We need to be careful of filing our squad with workmanlike older players, particularly if they want top wages for dropping a division. We could end up with all the problems we were saddled with when MON left.

I don't think we need to worry about them wanting top wages. Salary is market driven. They will only come to the Championship if they don't get a better offer in the Premier League. Given that Premier League wages are about to rocket again, we'll be lucky to entice anyone who is offered a decent Prem role. So they wont be in a position to demand high wages.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ldavfc4eva on April 29, 2016, 06:22:55 PM: The likes of osman/Gibson/jedinak are just what we need in central midfield, then Walters and Crouch up front. Really hope we keep Ayew then and sure Geste will stay, we need to play two up top though next season if Gestede does stay as we need a runner off him to pick up knock downs from the big man.

If Delaney is on a free then he would be a solid addition at centre back alongside baker/Clark and okore if he stays.

We need additions in every area, so as many on a free as possible will be a bonus especially as I can't see us receiving a fat lot for the ones we want to shift so the budgets will be very limited no doubt u less Randy decides to say "fuck it go for broke" can't see that happening though and I'd guess at £10 million being about it plus whatever we can recover from sales
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 29, 2016, 06:26:40 PM: Quote from: footyskillz on April 28, 2016, 08:51:18 PM
Boaz Myhill as Gk
Defender - Martin Kelly palace , Bardsley and Hangelund stoke.

Midfielders- Charlie Adam, forest Lansbury , Everton Osman and Gibson. Jedinak at palace. Andy king at Leicester.

Strikers- big Chris Martin , Rickie Lambert , Jon Walters. Then someone like Frazier Campbell or Martin emnes.

Bring in some of these experienced 100% players think decent off top of head.

That's a lot of old players. I agree an element of experience is needed, but we don't want to make our squad massively top heavy.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on April 29, 2016, 06:31:11 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on April 29, 2016, 06:26:40 PM
Quote from: footyskillz on April 28, 2016, 08:51:18 PM
Boaz Myhill as Gk
Defender - Martin Kelly palace , Bardsley and Hangelund stoke.

Midfielders- Charlie Adam, forest Lansbury , Everton Osman and Gibson. Jedinak at palace. Andy king at Leicester.

Strikers- big Chris Martin , Rickie Lambert , Jon Walters. Then someone like Frazier Campbell or Martin emnes.

Bring in some of these experienced 100% players think decent off top of head.

That's a lot of old players. I agree an element of experience is needed, but we don't want to make our squad massively top heavy.
I would say 3-4 is about right. Then a further 3-4 players who are younger but have what it takes in the Championship. Alan Judge and players like that. Gardner could well be a key player for us now.
Every single experienced older head we have, has to go. Richards, Gabby and Lescott have awful attitudes.
The key thing about any experienced players we sign will be attitude and the ability to still perform week in, week out. We don't want a Senderos, injured every week and we don't want someone coming in just for the pay check (Richards, Lescott).
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: paul_e on April 29, 2016, 06:55:45 PM: Of that list I could accept Myhill and Jedinak and maybe Walters after that they're either too old or just not very good. I know we're bad and have a lot of problems to solve but taking on guys who have a season left in them or who have mugged a living at yoyo clubs doesn't fix anything. They might work as band-aids for a season but if we do go back up after a year we really don't want to be trying to retain a place in the premier league with a team containing Gibson, Bardsley and Campbell.

I agree that we need to get a couple of experienced players with a good attitude but around that we should be looking at players who will keep us in the premier league in 2 years time, the idea of buying players to get us promoted who will then need to be replaced is the exact way to ensure we get stuck down there for years.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on April 29, 2016, 07:48:22 PM: I am told that Ashley Nadesan currently on trial at Bournemouth is a very exciting prospect. 21 year old with Horley Town he has scored a staggering 100 goals in the last two seasons. Just the sort of gem we should be looking to find. Always assuming that we have any scouts that have not emigrated or gone up to university.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on April 29, 2016, 11:58:02 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on April 29, 2016, 06:26:40 PM
Quote from: footyskillz on April 28, 2016, 08:51:18 PM
Boaz Myhill as Gk
Defender - Martin Kelly palace , Bardsley and Hangelund stoke.

Midfielders- Charlie Adam, forest Lansbury , Everton Osman and Gibson. Jedinak at palace. Andy king at Leicester.

Strikers- big Chris Martin , Rickie Lambert , Jon Walters. Then someone like Frazier Campbell or Martin emnes.

Bring in some of these experienced 100% players think decent off top of head.

That's a lot of old players. I agree an element of experience is needed, but we don't want to make our squad massively top heavy.

I get that I just giving some realistic targets given the situation. I feel players like these can still, and want to, do a job unlike likes of some current players we have.

Ideally some youthful players but a few like lansbury and forest , mowatt at Leeds or Carney at Fulham also could be options but it's players like this and ones mentioned above along with unheard of players that are targets now. I rather go with tried and tested givers and develop the young players with a few snatches from Darby, forest, Leeds,Fulham and the like.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on April 30, 2016, 12:09:39 AM: Quote from: supertom on April 29, 2016, 06:31:11 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on April 29, 2016, 06:26:40 PM
Quote from: footyskillz on April 28, 2016, 08:51:18 PM
Boaz Myhill as Gk
Defender - Martin Kelly palace , Bardsley and Hangelund stoke.

Midfielders- Charlie Adam, forest Lansbury , Everton Osman and Gibson. Jedinak at palace. Andy king at Leicester.

Strikers- big Chris Martin , Rickie Lambert , Jon Walters. Then someone like Frazier Campbell or Martin emnes.

Bring in some of these experienced 100% players think decent off top of head.

That's a lot of old players. I agree an element of experience is needed, but we don't want to make our squad massively top heavy.
I would say 3-4 is about right. Then a further 3-4 players who are younger but have what it takes in the Championship. Alan Judge and players like that. Gardner could well be a key player for us now.
Every single experienced older head we have, has to go. Richards, Gabby and Lescott have awful attitudes.
The key thing about any experienced players we sign will be attitude and the ability to still perform week in, week out. We don't want a Senderos, injured every week and we don't want someone coming in just for the pay check (Richards, Lescott).

I would re sign joe Cole and brinh in a few experience especially if we let other older heads move on.
As we need some experience of we consider these players here leaving -
Richardson,
Richards ,
Nzogbia
Bacuba
Cissoka
Lescott
Guzan
And if we consider players such as okore , ayew, Ghana, Sanchez, veretout could be sold and agents tout them to higher placed/league teams then that's quite a few bodies needed. Also the new manager and what style he adopts ?
Interesting but the likes of joe Cole and hutton can gang around and if petrov came back that would be immense
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on April 30, 2016, 12:31:34 AM: Grealish, Gardner, whoever breaks in from the academy, whoever stays between Veretout/Amavi/Adama, and maybe a couple of new signings. I think there's enough of a young core from that where we can afford to sign a few experienced players.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: adrenachrome on May 01, 2016, 01:09:14 AM: Daily Heil say want Fulham striker Ross McCormack.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on May 01, 2016, 01:17:51 AM: If they are right it would be a damned good start.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on May 01, 2016, 03:00:24 AM: Quote from: ozzjim on May 01, 2016, 01:17:51 AM
If they are right it would be a damned good start.

Would be expensive though. I would rather we went for Wells from Huddersfield - 17 league goals in a struggling side.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: MonsXI on May 01, 2016, 08:21:39 AM: Whittaker from Norwich is on a bosman i believe. Good solid full back chips in with a few goals also takes set pieces if I remember correctly.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave P on May 01, 2016, 09:07:42 AM: If Hull,don't come up, I wouldn't mind El Mohammedy. A wonderful crosser of the ball which would help Gestede.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on May 01, 2016, 09:43:26 AM: Maybe Al-Habsi in goal?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: nigel on May 01, 2016, 10:37:09 AM: Quote from: tomd2103 on May 01, 2016, 03:00:24 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 01, 2016, 01:17:51 AM
If they are right it would be a damned good start.

Would be expensive though. I would rather we went for Wells from Huddersfield - 17 league goals in a struggling side.

good call.
i thought Lambert should have gone for him a few seasons back, but, in fairness he'd have been ruined with us
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on May 01, 2016, 11:36:08 AM: I would go for both of we can. Different players and we need forward options.

Liverpool linked to Amavi for 4 million. That would piss me off so much.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: MoetVillan on May 01, 2016, 11:43:13 AM: 4mil + benteke
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on May 01, 2016, 11:47:09 AM: Quote from: MonsXI on May 01, 2016, 08:21:39 AM
Whittaker from Norwich is on a bosman i believe. Good solid full back chips in with a few goals also takes set pieces if I remember correctly.

I'd try for Howson.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on May 01, 2016, 11:48:35 AM: Didn't we pay twelve for him?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on May 01, 2016, 12:32:21 PM: Quote from: PeterWithe on May 01, 2016, 11:48:35 AM
Didn't we pay twelve for him?

Think it was around nine in the end.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on May 01, 2016, 02:08:49 PM: As someone who follows Welsh football, I think Hal Robson-Kanu is on a free transfer this summer and would be a decent addition. Plays both wide and up front and would give us a few options.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on May 01, 2016, 02:12:27 PM: Quote from: footyskillz on April 28, 2016, 08:51:18 PM

Strikers- big Chris Martin , Rickie Lambert , Jon Walters. Then someone like Frazier Campbell or Martin emnes.

Just a decade after I was advocating signing him from Bristol Rovers
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: claretandbeer on May 01, 2016, 03:10:53 PM: Quote from: UK Redsox on May 01, 2016, 02:12:27 PM
Quote from: footyskillz on April 28, 2016, 08:51:18 PM

Strikers- big Chris Martin , Rickie Lambert , Jon Walters. Then someone like Frazier Campbell or Martin emnes.

Just a decade after I was advocating signing him from Bristol Rovers
You're just like Martin Peters ,"10 years ahead of his time",- Sir Alf Ramsey
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on May 01, 2016, 03:24:58 PM: Don't forget me wanting Ian Holloway as manager just so I can get the translator job ;D
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Rudy65 on May 01, 2016, 03:30:43 PM: Ross McCormack wont be at Dulham next season. He would be decent for us. Proven goalscorer
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: in exile on May 01, 2016, 04:18:21 PM: Quote from: Rudy65 on May 01, 2016, 03:30:43 PM
Ross McCormack wont be at Dulham next season. He would be decent for us. Proven goalscorer
But could we afford him?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Mister E on May 01, 2016, 04:26:50 PM: All the suggestions above are fine, but until we get a manager and a decent scouting set-up it's all a bit previous.
What would be great is that the club get off its hands and appoint a manager who immediately has an idea of how he wants the game to be played and brings in the appropriate players.
My concern is that they may be required to offload all the dead wood first, which might take a while.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: curiousorange on May 01, 2016, 04:37:20 PM: Somebody said on Twitter earlier that there will be a point where we will have to clear the slate for a fair number of our current squad. At the moment there are none of them that I would be devastated to lose, but once the new owner and therefore new manager is in place, if they feel certain players can take the club up again then they need a second chance.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: MonsXI on May 01, 2016, 05:22:49 PM: Quote from: curiousorange on May 01, 2016, 04:37:20 PM
Somebody said on Twitter earlier that there will be a point where we will have to clear the slate for a fair number of our current squad. At the moment there are none of them that I would be devastated to lose, but once the new owner and therefore new manager is in place, if they feel certain players can take the club up again then they need a second chance.

Yep it has to be that way cos we won't shift the lot of them .
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KevinGage on May 01, 2016, 05:38:17 PM: Quote from: curiousorange on May 01, 2016, 04:37:20 PM
Somebody said on Twitter earlier that there will be a point where we will have to clear the slate for a fair number of our current squad. At the moment there are none of them that I would be devastated to lose, but once the new owner and therefore new manager is in place, if they feel certain players can take the club up again then they need a second chance.

That's my fear.

A Pearson or similar coming in and asking Gabby, Bacuna and Lescott to 'prove themselves.' (sigh)
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SheffieldVillain on May 01, 2016, 06:07:30 PM: Quote from: curiousorange on May 01, 2016, 04:37:20 PM
Somebody said on Twitter earlier that there will be a point where we will have to clear the slate for a fair number of our current squad. At the moment there are none of them that I would be devastated to lose, but once the new owner and therefore new manager is in place, if they feel certain players can take the club up again then they need a second chance.

Gabby, Richards, Lescott, N'Zogbia don't need a second chance. They need to leave. If the potential new manager thinks otherwise, this is a very good indicator that they are not the right manager for us.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: spangley1812 on May 01, 2016, 06:10:57 PM: Iheanacho from Man City on a season long loan would be a good deal
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on May 01, 2016, 06:13:37 PM: The kid who looks like he could break through and be a major part of Man City's first team? Not going to happen.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: spangley1812 on May 01, 2016, 06:16:51 PM: Quote from: peter w on May 01, 2016, 06:13:37 PM
The kid who looks like he could break through and be a major part of Man City's first team? Not going to happen.

With a new manager @ the club you never know if we guarantee him 1st team football
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Mister E on May 01, 2016, 06:19:33 PM: Quote from: SheffieldVillain on May 01, 2016, 06:07:30 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on May 01, 2016, 04:37:20 PM
Somebody said on Twitter earlier that there will be a point where we will have to clear the slate for a fair number of our current squad. At the moment there are none of them that I would be devastated to lose, but once the new owner and therefore new manager is in place, if they feel certain players can take the club up again then they need a second chance.

Gabby, Richards, Lescott, N'Zogbia don't need a second chance. They need to leave. If the potential new manager thinks otherwise, this is a very good indicator that they are not the right manager for us.
NZog is out of contract come July, I think.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: olaftab on May 01, 2016, 06:23:48 PM: The promoted teams from the Championship this season must look at bag of experience that players like Guzan, Hutton, Richards, Lescott, Cissohko, Richadson, Bacuna, Sanchez, Agbonlahor, N'Zogbia provide and snap them up as soon as they can if they are smart!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SheffieldVillain on May 01, 2016, 06:51:48 PM: Quote from: Mister E on May 01, 2016, 06:19:33 PM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on May 01, 2016, 06:07:30 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on May 01, 2016, 04:37:20 PM
Somebody said on Twitter earlier that there will be a point where we will have to clear the slate for a fair number of our current squad. At the moment there are none of them that I would be devastated to lose, but once the new owner and therefore new manager is in place, if they feel certain players can take the club up again then they need a second chance.

Gabby, Richards, Lescott, N'Zogbia don't need a second chance. They need to leave. If the potential new manager thinks otherwise, this is a very good indicator that they are not the right manager for us.
NZog is out of contract come July, I think.

I know, I've been counting down the days...!

The last thing we want is someone coming in and thinking there's a class player there who we wouldn't have to pay a transfer fee for...
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on May 01, 2016, 06:59:07 PM: Quote from: peter w on May 01, 2016, 06:13:37 PM
The kid who looks like he could break through and be a major part of Man City's first team? Not going to happen.
Definitely not. Far too good for the championship. He's had a fair wedge of game time this season and will get more next year. He'll be quite happy to stay and fight for his place. The last thing City need is to be buying more strikers. It's other areas they'll focus on.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on May 01, 2016, 07:01:17 PM: Quote from: KevinGage on May 01, 2016, 05:38:17 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on May 01, 2016, 04:37:20 PM
Somebody said on Twitter earlier that there will be a point where we will have to clear the slate for a fair number of our current squad. At the moment there are none of them that I would be devastated to lose, but once the new owner and therefore new manager is in place, if they feel certain players can take the club up again then they need a second chance.

That's my fear.

A Pearson or similar coming in and asking Gabby, Bacuna and Lescott to 'prove themselves.' (sigh)
Bacuna is just absolute shite and has to go. Gabby has to go too. Lescott and an absolute push may be useful. He can get away with his legs at Championship level. Dunney was rock solid for QPR at that level and he was in worse nick than Lescott is now...but the attitude needs adjusting for sure.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: OCD on May 01, 2016, 07:39:16 PM: We've got more left footed centre backs than we know what to do with - Lescott, Clark, Baker and Toner. How has Baker been doing in his loan spell? Whilst we need to give ourselves the best chance of getting promoted, it's also a chance to promote the good young players we have coming through who otherwise might have been shipped out on loan. Then the other gaps need to be filled by experienced pro's with the right attitude. I hope it's true that Petrov's fitness levels are back to where they were because that would be a big step on the latter.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on May 01, 2016, 08:05:24 PM: Quote from: OCD on May 01, 2016, 07:39:16 PM
We've got more left footed centre backs than we know what to do with - Lescott, Clark, Baker and Toner. How has Baker been doing in his loan spell? Whilst we need to give ourselves the best chance of getting promoted, it's also a chance to promote the good young players we have coming through who otherwise might have been shipped out on loan. Then the other gaps need to be filled by experienced pro's with the right attitude. I hope it's true that Petrov's fitness levels are back to where they were because that would be a big step on the latter.
Baker would be fine at that level, but of course it's always been his injury record which is the biggest problem. With a bit of good management Clark is still okay. A decent right footed CH needs to be signed.

Gardner could be key for us too. He stands out at Champ level.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: curiousorange on May 01, 2016, 08:07:08 PM: If Baker could sort out his fifty pee head he might also chip in with a few goals.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on May 01, 2016, 08:28:22 PM: Gary Gardener has not been as impressive during this stint according to most Forest fans.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on May 01, 2016, 09:18:25 PM: I'd try and persuade Pritchard to leave Warburton ( been at Brentford and Rangers) and join us.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: OCD on May 01, 2016, 11:43:03 PM: Quote from: aj2k77 on May 01, 2016, 08:28:22 PM
Gary Gardener has not been as impressive during this stint according to most Forest fans.

Really? A while ago I kept seeing Forest fans desperate to get him on a permanent and delighted when he returned.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on May 02, 2016, 12:37:21 AM: Quote from: supertom on May 01, 2016, 08:05:24 PM
Quote from: OCD on May 01, 2016, 07:39:16 PM
We've got more left footed centre backs than we know what to do with - Lescott, Clark, Baker and Toner. How has Baker been doing in his loan spell? Whilst we need to give ourselves the best chance of getting promoted, it's also a chance to promote the good young players we have coming through who otherwise might have been shipped out on loan. Then the other gaps need to be filled by experienced pro's with the right attitude. I hope it's true that Petrov's fitness levels are back to where they were because that would be a big step on the latter.
Baker would be fine at that level, but of course it's always been his injury record which is the biggest problem. With a bit of good management Clark is still okay. A decent right footed CH needs to be signed.

Gardner could be key for us too. He stands out at Champ level.

Baker has been at a team fighting relegation all season long. Only snapshots, but the three bits of Bristol City I have seen this season have been him giving away a penalty with a stupid challenge, him being on the floor injured and bizarrely him sitting down injured just as the goalkeeper passed him the ball and the striker running in on goal. We'd be better off getting what we can for him and giving Toner a chance.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: MonsXI on May 02, 2016, 07:27:04 AM: Sheff Wed have played the loan market perfectly the likes of Hooper returning 13 goals is just what you need, infact Hooper seems like a top championship striker but not good enough for the premier lge. I wouldn't mind him at VP next season.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 02, 2016, 08:20:20 AM: Hooper signed a permanent deal with Sheffield Wednesday
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: olaftab on May 02, 2016, 08:26:53 AM: Watford have also exploited the Liam market however I expect them to be involved in relegation scrap next season.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Holte L2 on May 02, 2016, 09:50:35 AM: I'd go for Chris Martin, Tom Ince and Ross McCormack as attacking options.
Mile Jedinak to play alongside Gary Gardner in Midfield. Delaney at the back and Myhill in goal.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on May 02, 2016, 10:01:54 AM: We need some leaders. Jedinzk I have said for a while. The big bearded Polish guy at Leicester might be available and would do a good job in that league despite his age I reckon.

If Myhill is on a free then it would be a good shout in goal with Steer competing with him and be rid of Bunny and Guzan. Looks like Amavi will be off so the lad from Walsall had to be worth a look at left back.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: MonsXI on May 02, 2016, 10:46:33 AM: Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 02, 2016, 08:20:20 AM
Hooper signed a permanent deal with Sheffield Wednesday

Maybe not Hooper then
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: eamonn on May 02, 2016, 11:00:38 AM: Getting less than half for Amavi would be a disgrace.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on May 02, 2016, 11:10:04 AM: I saw this morning forest want Gardner on a permanent
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on May 02, 2016, 11:27:13 AM: Quote from: eamonn on May 02, 2016, 11:00:38 AM
Getting less than half for Amavi would be a disgrace.

As would the person who negotiated the deal. Delph I could understand the mechanics from the club in letting him sign the deal from a business sense, but giving Amavi a deal that would allow him to leave for less than half his signing fee would be really really poor. Same money, fine. Or even a couple of million less with a large sell on fee percentage. Or loan to a premier league side for a season then he becomes ours again if we are promoted. All would suit.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Mister E on May 02, 2016, 11:34:58 AM: Quote from: ozzjim on May 02, 2016, 11:27:13 AM
Quote from: eamonn on May 02, 2016, 11:00:38 AM
Getting less than half for Amavi would be a disgrace.

As would the person who negotiated the deal. Delph I could understand the mechanics from the club in letting him sign the deal from a business sense, but giving Amavi a deal that would allow him to leave for less than half his signing fee would be really really poor. Same money, fine. Or even a couple of million less with a large sell on fee percentage. Or loan to a premier league side for a season then he becomes ours again if we are promoted. All would suit.
Is that a fact, Ozz, or are you speculating?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 02, 2016, 11:47:54 AM: Does anyone even know for a fact that any of our players have release clauses in their contracts and if so what are the values? Because it seems the easiest and most gloomy thing to do to speculate that the good ones have and they are all a fraction of what we paid to attain them.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on May 02, 2016, 12:06:31 PM: Read in a paper today that Bournemouth are apparently interested in Veretout.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 02, 2016, 12:08:01 PM: I don't think Veretout would be a big loss. He's Ok. but that's about it. I can't quite work out what he's meant to be good at.
I think Gardner would have done a similar job this season. So might as well make money on Veretout and play Gardner.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on May 02, 2016, 12:10:08 PM: Quote from: Mister E on May 02, 2016, 11:34:58 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 02, 2016, 11:27:13 AM
Quote from: eamonn on May 02, 2016, 11:00:38 AM
Getting less than half for Amavi would be a disgrace.

As would the person who negotiated the deal. Delph I could understand the mechanics from the club in letting him sign the deal from a business sense, but giving Amavi a deal that would allow him to leave for less than half his signing fee would be really really poor. Same money, fine. Or even a couple of million less with a large sell on fee percentage. Or loan to a premier league side for a season then he becomes ours again if we are promoted. All would suit.
Is that a fact, Ozz, or are you speculating?

It is press speculation, I am commenting on it.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on May 02, 2016, 12:10:36 PM: Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 02, 2016, 12:08:01 PM
I don't think Veretout would be a big loss. He's Ok. but that's about it. I can't quite work out what he's meant to be good at.
I think Gardner would have done a similar job this season. So might as well make money on Veretout and play Gardner.

Right manager I think he is a gem. But needs to be used right.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Lastfootstamper on May 02, 2016, 12:13:51 PM: Quote from: tomd2103 on May 02, 2016, 12:06:31 PM
Read in a paper today that Bournemouth are apparently interested in Veretout.

Posts like this drive home the reality of our situation. Bournemouth.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on May 02, 2016, 12:16:35 PM: yes that mid table premiership club! Tut Tut.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: pbavfckuwait on May 02, 2016, 12:43:33 PM: From the little I know and that's been gained from talking to old pros and a guy who's brother is a football agent, a lot of the sparring and compromises within contracts if a club wants to put a wage cut / relegation clause in, is then focused on what fee will be acceptable if that player is willing to take the relegation clause, always obviously a lower sell on fee than has been paid, not universal but quite common.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: in exile on May 02, 2016, 12:59:13 PM: Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 02, 2016, 12:08:01 PM
I don't think Veretout would be a big loss. He's Ok. but that's about it. I can't quite work out what he's meant to be good at.
I think Gardner would have done a similar job this season. So might as well make money on Veretout and play Gardner.
Mark my words...Gardner is not up to it
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 02, 2016, 01:03:37 PM: I don't know if he is or isn't, maybe we'll find out next season.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brontebilly on May 02, 2016, 02:32:34 PM: Jay Rodriguez is struggling for game time since injury at Southampton, dont think they will make the Europa league

season long loan would be ideal, he would walk that division if he stayed fit
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on May 02, 2016, 02:44:25 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on May 02, 2016, 12:10:36 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 02, 2016, 12:08:01 PM
I don't think Veretout would be a big loss. He's Ok. but that's about it. I can't quite work out what he's meant to be good at.
I think Gardner would have done a similar job this season. So might as well make money on Veretout and play Gardner.

Right manager I think he is a gem. But needs to be used right.

I agree Ozz. I don't think he has the dynamism to be an attacking midfielder but certainly think he could do a job in a more deeper role. I've been hoping all season to see a midfield of him and Gana with someone like Grealish just in front of them, bug to no avail.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 02, 2016, 02:59:18 PM: No loss if Veretout or Gil leave imo.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on May 02, 2016, 03:31:44 PM: Gil I agree but even he with a bit more of an attacking structure would look good in the championship.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: adrenachrome on May 02, 2016, 03:33:19 PM: Quote from: in exile on May 02, 2016, 12:59:13 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 02, 2016, 12:08:01 PM
I don't think Veretout would be a big loss. He's Ok. but that's about it. I can't quite work out what he's meant to be good at.
I think Gardner would have done a similar job this season. So might as well make money on Veretout and play Gardner.
Mark my words...Gardner is not up to it

Ok, then... D minus. Must Try Harder.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: saunders_heroes on May 02, 2016, 03:35:03 PM: Quote from: SoccerHQ on May 02, 2016, 02:59:18 PM
No loss if Veretout or Gil leave imo.

Agreed. Not a fan of either of them, and when Veretout was receiving praise on here earlier on in the season I was scratching my head wondering if they were watching the same Veretout I was watching.
Gil has always flattered to deceive.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 02, 2016, 03:37:16 PM: Veretout has potential. I could live with him leaving but I'd want our money back. I like Gil and I imagine he's on less money than Traore or Sinclair so would make sense to keep him if we could move one of those on or convince someone to take a gamble and spend silly money on Grealish.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: olaftab on May 02, 2016, 04:07:27 PM: Veretout has to stay. He is under contract and will develop into a very good player.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: paul_e on May 02, 2016, 04:13:22 PM: Quote from: olaftab on May 02, 2016, 04:07:27 PM
Veretout has to stay. He is under contract and will develop into a very good player.

Yep, I agree. I don't mind Gil leaving, he's a nice player to watch but he's too weak to be effective in English football.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Chris Jameson on May 02, 2016, 04:16:02 PM: Quote from: olaftab on May 02, 2016, 04:07:27 PM
Veretout has to stay. He is under contract and will develop into a very good player.

Poor fella, if he stays next season he'll be in the Championship when the club he could have joined will be in the Champions League.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Mister E on May 02, 2016, 04:20:02 PM: Quote from: paul_e on May 02, 2016, 04:13:22 PM
Quote from: olaftab on May 02, 2016, 04:07:27 PM
Veretout has to stay. He is under contract and will develop into a very good player.

Yep, I agree. I don't mind Gil leaving, he's a nice player to watch but he's too weak to be effective in English football.
Also agree.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: spangley1812 on May 02, 2016, 04:24:28 PM: Quote from: Mister E on May 02, 2016, 04:20:02 PM
Quote from: paul_e on May 02, 2016, 04:13:22 PM
Quote from: olaftab on May 02, 2016, 04:07:27 PM
Veretout has to stay. He is under contract and will develop into a very good player.

Yep, I agree. I don't mind Gil leaving, he's a nice player to watch but he's too weak to be effective in English football.
Also agree.

And me...........also if Ayew goes I would be asking £15m minimum
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: in exile on May 02, 2016, 04:40:13 PM: Quote from: adrenachrome on May 02, 2016, 03:33:19 PM
Quote from: in exile on May 02, 2016, 12:59:13 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 02, 2016, 12:08:01 PM
I don't think Veretout would be a big loss. He's Ok. but that's about it. I can't quite work out what he's meant to be good at.
I think Gardner would have done a similar job this season. So might as well make money on Veretout and play Gardner.
Mark my words...Gardner is not up to it

Ok, then... D minus. Must Try Harder.
Huh...last time you get an apple
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tony Erdington on May 02, 2016, 05:06:55 PM: Quote from: saunders_heroes on May 02, 2016, 03:35:03 PM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on May 02, 2016, 02:59:18 PM
No loss if Veretout or Gil leave imo.

Agreed. Not a fan of either of them, and when Veretout was receiving praise on here earlier on in the season I was scratching my head wondering if they were watching the same Veretout I was watching.
Gil has always flattered to deceive.

I like Gil , but his light weight, and will get kicked to shit in the championship.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ian. on May 02, 2016, 05:38:30 PM: I like Veretout but maybe he was at the wrong club at the wrong time, a bit like Remi.
It would be great to see him progress and fulfil his potential but I think he'll be off this summer.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: old man villa fan on May 02, 2016, 05:46:23 PM: Quote from: Ian J on May 02, 2016, 05:38:30 PM
I like Veretout but maybe he was at the wrong club at the wrong time, a bit like Remi.
It would be great to see him progress and fulfil his potential but I think he'll be off this summer.

The Championship is the ideal place for Veretout to gain confidence and develop. He needs to play week in week out.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 02, 2016, 06:00:37 PM: Quote from: Tony Erdington on May 02, 2016, 05:06:55 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on May 02, 2016, 03:35:03 PM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on May 02, 2016, 02:59:18 PM
No loss if Veretout or Gil leave imo.

Agreed. Not a fan of either of them, and when Veretout was receiving praise on here earlier on in the season I was scratching my head wondering if they were watching the same Veretout I was watching.
Gil has always flattered to deceive.

I like Gil , but his light weight, and will get kicked to shit in the championship.

He's a similar build to Adam Clayton, Alan Judge, Barry Bannan and Ross McCormack who have all just been named in the Championship Team of the Year.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: paul_e on May 02, 2016, 06:25:53 PM: Quote from: cdbullyweefan on May 02, 2016, 06:00:37 PM
Quote from: Tony Erdington on May 02, 2016, 05:06:55 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on May 02, 2016, 03:35:03 PM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on May 02, 2016, 02:59:18 PM
No loss if Veretout or Gil leave imo.

Agreed. Not a fan of either of them, and when Veretout was receiving praise on here earlier on in the season I was scratching my head wondering if they were watching the same Veretout I was watching.
Gil has always flattered to deceive.

I like Gil , but his light weight, and will get kicked to shit in the championship.

He's a similar build to Adam Clayton, Alan Judge, Barry Bannan and Ross McCormack who have all just been named in the Championship Team of the Year.

Similar build but much weaker, which is the main problem
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: john2710 on May 02, 2016, 06:26:30 PM: Gil is nowhere near physical enough for the Championship. We'll need a team full of men, a sprinkling of quality & pace to have any chance in that league.

Our foreign players won't fancy it one bit & our experienced pros will think they're too good for that league.

For those who remember them, we got promoted in 1988 with the likes of Bernie Gallagher, Steve Sims & Mark Lillis playing most games. We also had Walters, Keown, McInally & Platt.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 02, 2016, 06:32:05 PM: Quote from: john2710 on May 02, 2016, 06:26:30 PM
Gil is nowhere near physical enough for the Championship. We'll need a team full of men, a sprinkling of quality & pace to have any chance in that league.

Our foreign players won't fancy it one bit & our experienced pros will think they're too good for that league.

For those who remember them, we got promoted in 1988 with the likes of Bernie Gallagher, Steve Sims & Mark Lillis playing most games. We also had Walters, Keown, McInally & Platt.

Do teams who win the Championship not have any foreign players then?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SamTheMouse on May 02, 2016, 06:33:18 PM: I like Veretout. There's something about him that reminds me a bit of Petrov.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on May 02, 2016, 06:36:54 PM: Me too Sam. And in the few games we have fought hard at home, he has been excellent. Black not picking him in favour of the smiling hyena I really don't get at all.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 02, 2016, 06:37:21 PM: There's an odd set of rules whereby the Championship is unlike any other in World football. Only brute strength matters. Skill, pace and guile are irrelevant.

By the same token, only managers who have seen every episode of Only Fools and Horses could possibly understand the mystical forces behind England's second tier. No foreign boss could ever compete. Apart from all the ones that do, obviously.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Nastylee on May 02, 2016, 06:40:41 PM: Not forgetting that most of the teams that come up do so playing a better style than half the PL. The bully boy tactics you hear so much about is built on a myth promoted by ex-players and managers that don't have a clue.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 02, 2016, 06:44:57 PM: Indeed. It's the sort of mentality that keeps British managers from being appointed to top jobs.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on May 02, 2016, 07:31:54 PM: unless we end up with Pearson at Villa
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: paul_e on May 02, 2016, 08:03:17 PM: Quote from: john2710 on May 02, 2016, 06:26:30 PM
Gil is nowhere near physical enough for the Championship. We'll need a team full of men, a sprinkling of quality & pace to have any chance in that league.

Our foreign players won't fancy it one bit & our experienced pros will think they're too good for that league.

For those who remember them, we got promoted in 1988 with the likes of Bernie Gallagher, Steve Sims & Mark Lillis playing most games. We also had Walters, Keown, McInally & Platt.

See I disagree with that, the premier league is much more physical than the championship, anyone who thinks otherwise hasn't watched much of the championship in the last decade. The problem with Gil is that he'd struggle with the physicality in any English league. I wanted him to work it out because I think he could've been a good player for us but he doesn't seem to have learned anything about that side of the game so he's probably best off moving on.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: nigel on May 02, 2016, 08:06:12 PM: Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 02, 2016, 06:32:05 PM
Quote from: john2710 on May 02, 2016, 06:26:30 PM
Gil is nowhere near physical enough for the Championship. We'll need a team full of men, a sprinkling of quality & pace to have any chance in that league.

Our foreign players won't fancy it one bit & our experienced pros will think they're too good for that league.

For those who remember them, we got promoted in 1988 with the likes of Bernie Gallagher, Steve Sims & Mark Lillis playing most games. We also had Walters, Keown, McInally & Platt.

Do teams who win the Championship not have any foreign players then?

Agree, Dave.

Cream will always float to the top.
If these players are good enough they will walk the championship with the skill they have.
They also said the same about foreign players in the prem.
Do we really want to go down the line of Stoke 6 years ago?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on May 02, 2016, 08:25:25 PM: Bournemouth came up on the back of playing attractive, attacking football consistently...brute strength without skill gets you pretty much nowhere!

I'd like to think that we will have a lot of the former and just enough of the latter by the time August comes!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: john2710 on May 02, 2016, 10:27:38 PM: Quote from: dave.woodhall on May 02, 2016, 06:32:05 PM
Quote from: john2710 on May 02, 2016, 06:26:30 PM
Gil is nowhere near physical enough for the Championship. We'll need a team full of men, a sprinkling of quality & pace to have any chance in that league.

Our foreign players won't fancy it one bit & our experienced pros will think they're too good for that league.

For those who remember them, we got promoted in 1988 with the likes of Bernie Gallagher, Steve Sims & Mark Lillis playing most games. We also had Walters, Keown, McInally & Platt.

Do teams who win the Championship not have any foreign players then?

Let's see how many of our's are still here come August.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 02, 2016, 10:43:10 PM: Two things are already annoying me about next season, in terms of stuff posted on here.

1. This conviction that the way to respond to being in the Championship is to sell what quality we have and buy a load of championship level players. That's not how you get out of the Championship, that's how you stay in it. The way to get out is to keep as many of the players you already have who are good enough to win that league (and believe me, we really do have quite a few of those), not to start signing the sort of shit that plays for the likes of Leeds these days.

2. This utter bollocks about how we should be looking at the likes of Mick McCarthy or Neil Warnock as they "know" the Championship and are British. Like that's the only way you ever get out of that league.

It's almost as if lots of our fans have some sort of footballing Stockholm Syndrome going on where the way we react to being in the Championship is to start to act like we're going to be in it for ages rather than aiming at bouncing straight back, which is what we should be doing (no matter how shit we've been this year).
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Nastylee on May 02, 2016, 10:47:33 PM: I said on here a month ago that if you litter you squad with Championship players you become a Championship team. It's easy to fall into that trap but doing so will turn us into the next Leeds.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Lastfootstamper on May 02, 2016, 10:55:24 PM: I think we're never going to buy anyone ever again.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: curiousorange on May 02, 2016, 10:55:41 PM: To come back up at the first time of asking, we need a team. Not one huge bloke and two wingers, or a midfield enforcer, or some bloke that knows what it takes to get a draw at the New Den.

Make a team in the Championship and you're more or less guaranteed to come up.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: old man villa fan on May 02, 2016, 11:02:51 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 02, 2016, 10:43:10 PM
Two things are already annoying me about next season, in terms of stuff posted on here.

1. This conviction that the way to respond to being in the Championship is to sell what quality we have and buy a load of championship level players. That's not how you get out of the Championship, that's how you stay in it. The way to get out is to keep as many of the players you already have who are good enough to win that league (and believe me, we really do have quite a few of those), not to start signing the sort of shit that plays for the likes of Leeds these days.

2. This utter bollocks about how we should be looking at the likes of Mick McCarthy or Neil Warnock as they "know" the Championship and are British. Like that's the only way you ever get out of that league.

It's almost as if lots of our fans have some sort of footballing Stockholm Syndrome going on where the way we react to being in the Championship is to start to act like we're going to be in it for ages rather than aiming at bouncing straight back, which is what we should be doing (no matter how shit we've been this year).

Agree with all of that.

I would also add that they must have the right attitude next season. If there are players there that think the Club is too good be in the Championship, we will stay in the Championship. Leicester have proved that if you are united as a team, you can achieve the impossible. The good thing for us is that we will not have to do the impossible.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: claretandbeer on May 02, 2016, 11:04:38 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 02, 2016, 10:43:10 PM
Two things are already annoying me about next season, in terms of stuff posted on here.

1. This conviction that the way to respond to being in the Championship is to sell what quality we have and buy a load of championship level players. That's not how you get out of the Championship, that's how you stay in it. The way to get out is to keep as many of the players you already have who are good enough to win that league (and believe me, we really do have quite a few of those), not to start signing the sort of shit that plays for the likes of Leeds these days.

2. This utter bollocks about how we should be looking at the likes of Mick McCarthy or Neil Warnock as they "know" the Championship and are British. Like that's the only way you ever get out of that league

It's almost as if lots of our fans have some sort of footballing Stockholm Syndrome going on where the way we react to being in the Championship is to start to act like we're going to be in it for ages rather than aiming at bouncing straight back, which is what we should be doing (no matter how shit we've been this year).
So right.Our problem,however,will be retaining our better players.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: curiousorange on May 02, 2016, 11:07:57 PM: The players we keep, and who will have our support, will be invaluable. Our next manager will have had loads of time to see who is going to make that cut.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Des Little on May 02, 2016, 11:13:30 PM: Quote from: curiousorange on May 02, 2016, 11:07:57 PM
The players we keep, and who will have our support, will be invaluable. Our next manager will have had loads of time to see who is going to make that cut.

That cut could be made by watching 10 minutes of any game this season.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ian. on May 02, 2016, 11:14:00 PM: Quote from: old man villa fan on May 02, 2016, 05:46:23 PM
Quote from: Ian J on May 02, 2016, 05:38:30 PM
I like Veretout but maybe he was at the wrong club at the wrong time, a bit like Remi.
It would be great to see him progress and fulfil his potential but I think he'll be off this summer.

The Championship is the ideal place for Veretout to gain confidence and develop. He needs to play week in week out.
Yep I agree, I hope he sticks around. It would be great to keep him, Ayew and Amavi.

We need a new keeper, a strong decent leader in the back four and better player than either Westwood or Sanchez. Add some width, speed and flair and those 3 will flourish in that league.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: curiousorange on May 02, 2016, 11:24:00 PM: I think it's partnerships that's key, really. Two centre backs that complement each other, a rock solid midfield two, a provider and a striker...

One thing that really needs to happen though is that if we unearth a gem, they stay because they're convinced we're going places. Not that I'm a huge fan, but Wolves' season just died when they flogged Afobe, as did Blackburn when they sold Rhodes (although they're solely responsible for the Lambert Drag Factor). Let's act like a bloody Premier League side, which is what we are. We just fancied a change.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: David_Nab on May 02, 2016, 11:26:04 PM: On the face of it we need a new defence ,but do we ?

Are they really all that bad or just badly managed / coached ...

The right manager and I think if we can keep most of decent players then we won't have to invest too much.Burnely for example kept most of squad and made a few additions

As mentioned Lowton went up with Burnely and Bannan was in championship team of season and could be promoted 2 players who were deemed not good enough for us.So I think some of out current lot will do well in the lower league.

Exploiting the loan market will be important as well ,the main aim is to get promoted at first attempt so we will need to take some short term options like loans and experienced pro's
Iike the Bartons of the world on to achieve that goal.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on May 02, 2016, 11:28:02 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 02, 2016, 10:43:10 PM
Two things are already annoying me about next season, in terms of stuff posted on here.

1. This conviction that the way to respond to being in the Championship is to sell what quality we have and buy a load of championship level players. That's not how you get out of the Championship, that's how you stay in it. The way to get out is to keep as many of the players you already have who are good enough to win that league (and believe me, we really do have quite a few of those), not to start signing the sort of shit that plays for the likes of Leeds these days.

2. This utter bollocks about how we should be looking at the likes of Mick McCarthy or Neil Warnock as they "know" the Championship and are British. Like that's the only way you ever get out of that league.

It's almost as if lots of our fans have some sort of footballing Stockholm Syndrome going on where the way we react to being in the Championship is to start to act like we're going to be in it for ages rather than aiming at bouncing straight back, which is what we should be doing (no matter how shit we've been this year).

The problem is though, at the minute we are basket case that I would have thought players can't wait to leave. If there is a takeover, and a good manager comes in, clears the deadwood and can convince the remaining players to buy into what is happening at the club then we might have a chance.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: curiousorange on May 02, 2016, 11:28:51 PM: I'd pay a hefty transfer fee for a genuinely world class defensive coach. I can't recall a more barren spell for our back line.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 03, 2016, 12:16:35 AM: The jingoistic nature of many british pundits (and fans) really gets on my classic 'best in the world' british jugs.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on May 03, 2016, 12:21:10 AM: Quote from: curiousorange on May 02, 2016, 11:28:51 PM
I'd pay a hefty transfer fee for a genuinely world class defensive coach. I can't recall a more barren spell for our back line.

The constant chopping and changing back there doesn't help. It is easy now to say look at Leicester, but it's been pretty much the same back four and keeper throughout the season for them. We need some consistency back there.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Monty on May 03, 2016, 12:30:48 AM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 02, 2016, 10:43:10 PM
Two things are already annoying me about next season, in terms of stuff posted on here.

1. This conviction that the way to respond to being in the Championship is to sell what quality we have and buy a load of championship level players. That's not how you get out of the Championship, that's how you stay in it. The way to get out is to keep as many of the players you already have who are good enough to win that league (and believe me, we really do have quite a few of those), not to start signing the sort of shit that plays for the likes of Leeds these days.

2. This utter bollocks about how we should be looking at the likes of Mick McCarthy or Neil Warnock as they "know" the Championship and are British. Like that's the only way you ever get out of that league.

It's almost as if lots of our fans have some sort of footballing Stockholm Syndrome going on where the way we react to being in the Championship is to start to act like we're going to be in it for ages rather than aiming at bouncing straight back, which is what we should be doing (no matter how shit we've been this year).

On bloody point, Paulie. I've thought for a while that the main reason these managers 'know the Championship' so well is that their not sodding good enough to manage at a higher level. We don't want to fit in in this division, we want to stand out; not to be good enough for it, but to be too good. Christ almighty, is it too much to ask to have some ambition in the Second Division? We're Aston twatting Villa, for god's sake - time to start acting like it.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on May 03, 2016, 01:42:08 AM: I agree, but it depends how many we can keep. We need 3-4 leaders whether they are championship or premier league players. Basically a big, strong spine of a side that will come in and sort the dressing room.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on May 03, 2016, 07:26:19 AM: for me our problems run much deeper than our players

what the fuck goes on at bodymoor heath all week?

gabby blatently overweight so what are the fitness coaches doing? add to that most of our players looking fucking every game, look at leicesters fitness levels they run their bollocks off every game and then do it again in the next

westwood being shit at corners but he takes them for 3 seasons

really basic stuff like bringing every player back to defend a corner giving us no out ball - that is under 11's stuff

none of our players seem to improve over time in fact they seem to regress

the whole of our backroom staff need to be fucked off before we can move forward
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on May 03, 2016, 07:33:26 AM: These last half dozen posts are all entirely correct. The ultimate question is one of money. Everything now hinges on what Steve Hollis (or his replacement) is allowed to do and possibly more importantly what he sees as his duty to do.

If we are being sold on like a second car, knocked about but plenty good enough to take the kids to school and the odd run down to the garden centre. Seen better days but well worth the money. Bit of T Cut on the rust and four remould tyres and you have yourself a snip.

Or total overhaul, this one is a classic and we are going to turn some heads again.

A bit flowery for a Tuesday morning but makes my point I think.

If the incoming owners are prepared to pay the money to terminate the contracts of the trouble makers and to retain the better players while actually adding a quality player or two we will smash the Championship to smithereens. If the beans continue to be counted and the new owners encouraged to congratulate themselves on their parsimony it will be very much harder and longer and ultimately much worse business because the wealth of the Premiership will slip further from our grasp.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Mister E on May 03, 2016, 07:44:35 AM: The point about assembling a credible and competent set of coaches strikes a chord for me.
We have been truly bad at the back for 5 seasons and no one has addressed this.
And our attacking invention, set-piece ingenuity and dogged determination to squeeze opponents out of the game have been non-existent.

This, along with a focus on the team as the unit for success (rather than the individuals), will take us where we want to go.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: OzVilla on May 03, 2016, 07:46:10 AM: Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on May 03, 2016, 07:26:19 AM
for me our problems run much deeper than our players

what the fuck goes on at bodymoor heath all week?

gabby blatently overweight so what are the fitness coaches doing? add to that most of our players looking fucking every game, look at leicesters fitness levels they run their bollocks off every game and then do it again in the next

westwood being shit at corners but he takes them for 3 seasons

really basic stuff like bringing every player back to defend a corner giving us no out ball - that is under 11's stuff

none of our players seem to improve over time in fact they seem to regress

the whole of our backroom staff need to be fucked off before we can move forward

All of this is bang on. We don't just need a new manager, we need a total, top to bottom clear out. The mentality, the quality, the tactical awareness has all been dreadful for far too long. This season it's been shown up in the starkest of ways, 16 points FFS.

Everyone from the academy up should be being scrutinised now. They've all had a hand in this.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: villasjf on May 03, 2016, 07:49:53 AM: The scouting network need sorting too look at the players Leicester and Burnley have and the money spent etc.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on May 03, 2016, 07:54:38 AM: Quote from: villasjf on May 03, 2016, 07:49:53 AM
The scouting network need sorting too look at the players Leicester and Burnley have and the money spent etc.

great point

fuck me how hard would it be to have 2 or 3 scouts covering the top 7 english leagues?

really difficult obviously
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: pbavfckuwait on May 03, 2016, 08:12:21 AM: I put in the managers thread yesterday that hopefully "He who walks on water" has a major say on the new manager but also ensures the people he is bringing in to make up his team, this has been neglected for at least the last 6 years and the results are plain to see.

We will languish in the Championship if we do not address the glaring errors week after week that our defense commit, have a midfield that are trained to pass sideways, due to our main problem that again has not been addressed for at least 6 years movement on and off the ball.

A lot of our players we have not seen what they are capable off and as we have seen have regressed not progressed until this is put right I could not tell you who to keep or who to get rid off as we have not seen with proper coaching, tactical awareness and movement what they are capable off.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on May 03, 2016, 10:00:11 PM: Whatever happens we have to get a coaching structure and a high calibre one in place. Leicester insisted on the coaching team Pearson put together being kept by a new manager there. I think we need to build something behind the scenes that can last longer than the manager. That then includes how we recruit players.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on May 03, 2016, 10:36:48 PM: maybe keep an eye on Scott Hogan ( think is his name) of Brentford. Their 'big money' signing a couple of season's ago who then had two long knee injuries (one knee then the other). He's apparently quick and has played 93 minutes in his comeback and so far scored 5 times.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: dave shelley on May 04, 2016, 09:12:46 AM: Quote from: peter w on May 03, 2016, 10:36:48 PM
maybe keep an eye on Scott Hogan ( think is his name) of Brentford. Their 'big money' signing a couple of season's ago who then had two long knee injuries (one knee then the other). He's apparently quick and has played 93 minutes in his comeback and so far scored 5 times.

This is correct. I have a friend who is a Brentford fan and he told me about him last week. Exactly how Peter has described him. My friend also said he's one of those players whose goals are of the varied type: good'uns, some that go in off his arse, some that hit him and go in etc, etc. A player like that we could do with.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KevinGage on May 04, 2016, 12:07:00 PM: Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on May 03, 2016, 07:26:19 AM
for me our problems run much deeper than our players

what the fuck goes on at bodymoor heath all week?

gabby blatently overweight so what are the fitness coaches doing? add to that most of our players looking fucking every game, look at leicesters fitness levels they run their bollocks off every game and then do it again in the next

westwood being shit at corners but he takes them for 3 seasons

really basic stuff like bringing every player back to defend a corner giving us no out ball - that is under 11's stuff

none of our players seem to improve over time in fact they seem to regress

the whole of our backroom staff need to be fucked off before we can move forward

Agreed.

A number of (if not most) clubs offer pretty substantial fines now for players returning for pre season training overweight. I'd assume they aren't much less forgiving throughout the season.

We made our bloater club captain.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SheffieldVillain on May 04, 2016, 12:22:20 PM: Quote from: KevinGage on May 04, 2016, 12:07:00 PM
Agreed.

A number of (if not most) clubs offer pretty substantial fines now for players returning for pre season training overweight. I'd assume they aren't much less forgiving throughout the season.

We made our bloater club captain.

What Wilkins said about speaking to Gabby about his lack of fitness staggered me.

Essentially:
"You need to get yourself in shape"
"I'll do it my way"
"Oh, okay."

As opposed to what he / Sherwood should have said "get your fat lazy arse in the gym now or you're transfer listed and fined". Just how much power did Gabby have at the club?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on May 04, 2016, 12:26:16 PM: And just how weak must the structure of the club be for a complete gorm like Agbonlahor to have any power around the club whatsoever.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: OCD on May 04, 2016, 12:42:05 PM: We could do worse than sign Rob Green in the summer. I think he'll be available on a free too by the sound of things (QPR not playing him because it would extend his contract). He sounds fired up to re-start his career too having been benched for months.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on May 04, 2016, 01:15:14 PM: He is a much better keeper than Guzan or Bunn I agree. If he was reasonable on wage, it would be an easy position sorted especially in the Championship and his experience would be useful.

Sidwell has done well at Brighton too. You need good, hard working players with 2-3 creative/ quality players to lift you out of that league. You don't need to spend 30 million or anything like that.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ClaretAndBlueBlood on May 04, 2016, 01:41:17 PM: I think Knockart at Brighton would be a good shout if they don't go out, especially if we plan to give big Rudy some game time

also think the young lad up front for Walsall might be worth a punt, Bradshaw
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 04, 2016, 01:43:47 PM: Quote from: SheffieldVillain on May 04, 2016, 12:22:20 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on May 04, 2016, 12:07:00 PM
Agreed.

A number of (if not most) clubs offer pretty substantial fines now for players returning for pre season training overweight. I'd assume they aren't much less forgiving throughout the season.

We made our bloater club captain.

What Wilkins said about speaking to Gabby about his lack of fitness staggered me.

Essentially:
"You need to get yourself in shape"
"I'll do it my way"
"Oh, okay."

As opposed to what he / Sherwood should have said "get your fat lazy arse in the gym now or you're transfer listed and fined". Just how much power did Gabby have at the club?

The alleged dispute between Gabby and Houllier/Garde's fitness coach also suggests that player power is way in excess of the coaches/manager's. Thinking back, we appeared on the verge of mutiny through-out Houllier's tenure and almost certainly were during Garde's time. It was only under Sherwood (his methodology is adequately described by Wilkins' shrug above) and Lambert seemingly going through the motions that there was any peace within the camp.

The new manager will have to be a huge personality and have a massive amount of willpower to change the club with current set of players.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on May 04, 2016, 01:43:55 PM: If Amavi and Cissokho move on their left back must be worth a look too, Henry?

Will Hughes had a good game for Derby the other day apparently. What happened too him, there was massive hype a couple of seasons ago.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Virgil Caine on May 04, 2016, 04:36:25 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on May 04, 2016, 01:43:55 PM
If Amavi and Cissokho move on their left back must be worth a look too, Henry?

Will Hughes had a good game for Derby the other day apparently. What happened too him, there was massive hype a couple of seasons ago.

Im pretty sure Ozzjim that Will Hughes has been out injured for most of the season. I think he is still a very good player and head and shoulders on what we have got at the moment.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on May 04, 2016, 04:46:58 PM: Can't help thinking that Derby might go up through the play-off's. Redknapp has always been a spawny fecker. Will Hughes will go up with them. I can't help thinking that this thread is pointless until we appoint a Manager. I do appreciate that it's a speculation thread though!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on May 04, 2016, 05:50:31 PM: I reckon for once the team in 3rd will win the playoffs this season.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brontebilly on May 04, 2016, 06:08:27 PM: Quote from: OCD on May 04, 2016, 12:42:05 PM
We could do worse than sign Rob Green in the summer. I think he'll be available on a free too by the sound of things (QPR not playing him because it would extend his contract). He sounds fired up to re-start his career too having been benched for months.

maybe we could do worse, having Guzan or Bunn first choice next term comes to mind....

but Green is muck, was never more than bang average at his best imo

looks like Cardiff arent going to make the playoffs so David Marshall should be available.

think Darren Randolph would be a good call for us too, very impressed with him for Ireland and West Ham when Ive seen him
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brontebilly on May 04, 2016, 06:09:40 PM: Quote from: villasjf on May 03, 2016, 07:49:53 AM
The scouting network need sorting too look at the players Leicester and Burnley have and the money spent etc.

we beat Leicester to Veretout....
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SteveN on May 04, 2016, 08:05:12 PM: I'm bored.
The majority of the squad go, Lerner hasn't sold and trousers all the cash we get from transfers and we dont spend to replace. Opening day line up, 4-2-3-1 formation

Steer
Lyden Donacien Baker Borg
Gardner Westwood
Greene Grealish Calder
Robinson
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 04, 2016, 08:11:44 PM: That would ensure another relegation.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 04, 2016, 08:18:51 PM: Quote from: SteveN on May 04, 2016, 08:05:12 PM
I'm bored.
The majority of the squad go, Lerner hasn't sold and trousers all the cash we get from transfers and we dont spend to replace. Opening day line up, 4-2-3-1 formation

Steer
Lyden Donacien Baker Borg
Gardner Westwood
Greene Grealish Calder
Robinson

That would be suicide.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SteveN on May 04, 2016, 08:38:12 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 04, 2016, 08:18:51 PM
Quote from: SteveN on May 04, 2016, 08:05:12 PM
I'm bored.
The majority of the squad go, Lerner hasn't sold and trousers all the cash we get from transfers and we dont spend to replace. Opening day line up, 4-2-3-1 formation

Steer
Lyden Donacien Baker Borg
Gardner Westwood
Greene Grealish Calder
Robinson

That would be suicide.

Agreed, I wasn't suggesting it would be a good thing, just bored. I had already gone through my ten favourite albums and ten favourite UK holiday destinations. Now on ten favourite TV programmes.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on May 04, 2016, 08:42:01 PM: Quote from: SteveN on May 04, 2016, 08:05:12 PM
I'm bored.
The majority of the squad go, Lerner hasn't sold and trousers all the cash we get from transfers and we dont spend to replace. Opening day line up, 4-2-3-1 formation

Steer
Lyden Donacien Baker Borg
Gardner Westwood
Greene Grealish Calder
Robinson
Have a feeling Robinson is out of contract this summer? If not, I don't think he's rated anymore. I think we'll be more focused on giving players like Murphy, Green etc, games.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ClaretAndBlueBlood on May 05, 2016, 09:21:30 AM: Quote from: SteveN on May 04, 2016, 08:38:12 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 04, 2016, 08:18:51 PM
Quote from: SteveN on May 04, 2016, 08:05:12 PM
I'm bored.
The majority of the squad go, Lerner hasn't sold and trousers all the cash we get from transfers and we dont spend to replace. Opening day line up, 4-2-3-1 formation

Steer
Lyden Donacien Baker Borg
Gardner Westwood
Greene Grealish Calder
Robinson

That would be suicide.

Agreed, I wasn't suggesting it would be a good thing, just bored. I had already gone through my ten favourite albums and ten favourite UK holiday destinations. Now on ten favourite TV programmes.

put your lists up so we have something else to argue about :-)
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on May 05, 2016, 10:46:48 AM: ok here's mine in no particular order: Albums; Blonde on Blonde, Rust Never Sleeps, Highway 61 Revisited, Look Sharp!, The Beatles (White), Beggar's Banquet, Rumours, Revolver, Blood on the Tracks, Ragged Glory. UK Holiday Destinations ; Cadgwith, Coverack, Kylesku, Ullapool, Southwold, Wells-next-the sea, Lyme Regis, Fort William, Port Meirion, Bamburgh.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on May 05, 2016, 10:52:40 AM: 10 numbers:

14
8
27
47
77
65
236
3
6
1874
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mattjpa on May 05, 2016, 11:01:37 AM: Quote from: mr underhill on May 05, 2016, 10:46:48 AM
ok here's mine in no particular order: Albums; Blonde on Blonde, Rust Never Sleeps, Highway 61 Revisited, Look Sharp!, The Beatles (White), Beggar's Banquet, Rumours, Revolver, Blood on the Tracks, Ragged Glory. UK Holiday Destinations ; Cadgwith, Coverack, Kylesku, Ullapool, Southwold, Wells-next-the sea, Lyme Regis, Fort William, Port Meirion, Bamburgh.

Is that in order? I think id like to try some uk holiday destinations this year. Is there a thread for that sort of thing?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oldtimernow on May 05, 2016, 11:07:41 AM: Quote from: peter w on May 05, 2016, 10:52:40 AM
10 numbers:

14
8
27
47
77
65
236
3
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Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on May 05, 2016, 11:09:13 AM: That was the age of my old PE teacher when he made a man of me.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on May 05, 2016, 12:39:08 PM: I wonder if Nathan Dyer is worth going for. Probably still surplus at Swansea and Leicester unlikely to make his deal permanent. He may be able to get another Prem move, but I think he's one of those players who's average at Prem level (at best) but would be very good at Championship level. We need 1-2 wingers this summer and he'd certainly be good enough.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Chris Jameson on May 05, 2016, 12:53:21 PM: Jay Spearing is far too good for whatever league it is that Bolton are in now.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on May 05, 2016, 01:11:02 PM: So Leicester will be holding their victory parade soon. Back on planet Lerner, Aston Villa are dawdling around, scratching their arse.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on May 05, 2016, 01:29:13 PM: Quote from: aj2k77 on May 05, 2016, 01:11:02 PM
So Leicester will be holding their victory parade soon. Back on planet Lerner, Aston Villa are dawdling around, scratching their arse.

Yes, they've because they've just won the league and we can't sign any new players yet anyway.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on May 05, 2016, 01:52:46 PM: Well, strictly speaking, or not strictly at all, we can.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on May 05, 2016, 02:09:30 PM: Quote from: Clampy on May 05, 2016, 01:29:13 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on May 05, 2016, 01:11:02 PM
So Leicester will be holding their victory parade soon. Back on planet Lerner, Aston Villa are dawdling around, scratching their arse.

Yes, they've because they've just won the league and we can't sign any new players yet anyway.

Can we scout any? No. Why? Because we have no manager, so no idea what players he wants, no scouting system to speak of because they're at school/surfing delete as applicable, no long term decisions or appointments being made because we have no board and no one running things, unless you count the suit guy with fuck all knowledge about sport who assembled a board that lasted roughly the same amount of time one of our clean sheets does.

So yeah, were sitting around scratching our arses.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: in exile on May 05, 2016, 02:17:57 PM: Can you sit and scratch your arse?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on May 05, 2016, 02:18:50 PM: roll to the side
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: olaftab on May 05, 2016, 02:21:07 PM: Quote from: in exile on May 05, 2016, 02:17:57 PM
Can you sit and scratch your arse?
I do but never win!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: OCD on May 05, 2016, 02:23:42 PM: Quote from: supertom on May 05, 2016, 12:39:08 PM
I wonder if Nathan Dyer is worth going for. Probably still surplus at Swansea and Leicester unlikely to make his deal permanent. He may be able to get another Prem move, but I think he's one of those players who's average at Prem level (at best) but would be very good at Championship level. We need 1-2 wingers this summer and he'd certainly be good enough.

He was on the fringes of the England squad not that long ago so if we could get him, it's not a bad shout.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on May 05, 2016, 02:27:49 PM: And is on loan to the league champions so yeah, a spell in the Championship will do him the world of good.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Des Little on May 05, 2016, 03:49:26 PM: Quote from: in exile on May 05, 2016, 02:17:57 PM
Can you sit and scratch your arse?

That's the basis of a great terrace chant. Start it up on Saturday.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on May 05, 2016, 05:18:22 PM: Quote from: aj2k77 on May 05, 2016, 02:09:30 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 05, 2016, 01:29:13 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on May 05, 2016, 01:11:02 PM
So Leicester will be holding their victory parade soon. Back on planet Lerner, Aston Villa are dawdling around, scratching their arse.

Yes, they've because they've just won the league and we can't sign any new players yet anyway.

Can we scout any? No. Why? Because we have no manager, so no idea what players he wants, no scouting system to speak of because they're at school/surfing delete as applicable, no long term decisions or appointments being made because we have no board and no one running things, unless you count the suit guy with fuck all knowledge about sport who assembled a board that lasted roughly the same amount of time one of our clean sheets does.

So yeah, were sitting around scratching our arses.

I'm glad they've taken their time with it, it needs to be right. What would have been the point of having a manager sitting in the dug out or in the stands with signs being held up and paper planes and beach balls landing on the pitch? Besides, for all we know it's been done or we're trying to get a manager already in work. Like someone said earlier, after the Arsenal game, it's a clean slate and the manager can get on with it because he'll need to.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: WarszaVillan on May 05, 2016, 05:21:25 PM: It was definitely the best thing to wait till the end of the season and not have the new manager tainted by this years disaster. The problem will start however if there is not a very quick appointment after the season ends. I'm hoping the deal has been made and the new man is already working on things. But you know, this is Villa.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on May 05, 2016, 07:19:41 PM: I think we need a lot of pace in the wide areas and somebody mobile up front. If we can keep Ayew, then Grealish and him should have plenty to aim at, while Gestede might get some crosses for once.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on May 05, 2016, 07:41:48 PM: Quote from: WarszaVillan82 on May 05, 2016, 05:21:25 PM
It was definitely the best thing to wait till the end of the season and not have the new manager tainted by this years disaster. The problem will start however if there is not a very quick appointment after the season ends. I'm hoping the deal has been made and the new man is already working on things. But you know, this is Villa.

a deal already done? behave
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on May 05, 2016, 08:01:49 PM: Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on May 05, 2016, 07:41:48 PM
Quote from: WarszaVillan82 on May 05, 2016, 05:21:25 PM
It was definitely the best thing to wait till the end of the season and not have the new manager tainted by this years disaster. The problem will start however if there is not a very quick appointment after the season ends. I'm hoping the deal has been made and the new man is already working on things. But you know, this is Villa.

a deal already done? behave

For all you know, it might be.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Mister E on May 05, 2016, 08:22:38 PM: Quote from: Chris Jameson on May 05, 2016, 12:53:21 PM
Jay Spearing is far too good for whatever league it is that Bolton are in now.
Welcome back, footyskillz.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on May 05, 2016, 08:39:50 PM: Quote from: Clampy on May 05, 2016, 08:01:49 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on May 05, 2016, 07:41:48 PM
Quote from: WarszaVillan82 on May 05, 2016, 05:21:25 PM
It was definitely the best thing to wait till the end of the season and not have the new manager tainted by this years disaster. The problem will start however if there is not a very quick appointment after the season ends. I'm hoping the deal has been made and the new man is already working on things. But you know, this is Villa.

a deal already done? behave

For all you know, it might be.

shall we have a bet? ill have a tenner that we will be unsold by the end of june
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on May 05, 2016, 08:42:36 PM: Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on May 05, 2016, 08:39:50 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 05, 2016, 08:01:49 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on May 05, 2016, 07:41:48 PM
Quote from: WarszaVillan82 on May 05, 2016, 05:21:25 PM
It was definitely the best thing to wait till the end of the season and not have the new manager tainted by this years disaster. The problem will start however if there is not a very quick appointment after the season ends. I'm hoping the deal has been made and the new man is already working on things. But you know, this is Villa.

a deal already done? behave

For all you know, it might be.

shall we have a bet? ill have a tenner that we will be unsold by the end of june

Unsold? WarzaVilla was talking about the new manager, not the takeover, i presume.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on May 05, 2016, 09:02:12 PM: Quote from: Clampy on May 05, 2016, 08:42:36 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on May 05, 2016, 08:39:50 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 05, 2016, 08:01:49 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on May 05, 2016, 07:41:48 PM
Quote from: WarszaVillan82 on May 05, 2016, 05:21:25 PM
It was definitely the best thing to wait till the end of the season and not have the new manager tainted by this years disaster. The problem will start however if there is not a very quick appointment after the season ends. I'm hoping the deal has been made and the new man is already working on things. But you know, this is Villa.

a deal already done? behave

For all you know, it might be.

shall we have a bet? ill have a tenner that we will be unsold by the end of june

Unsold? WarzaVilla was talking about the new manager, not the takeover, i presume.

sorry

how about no new manager announced by the end of may?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on May 05, 2016, 09:12:45 PM: Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on May 05, 2016, 09:02:12 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 05, 2016, 08:42:36 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on May 05, 2016, 08:39:50 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 05, 2016, 08:01:49 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on May 05, 2016, 07:41:48 PM
Quote from: WarszaVillan82 on May 05, 2016, 05:21:25 PM
It was definitely the best thing to wait till the end of the season and not have the new manager tainted by this years disaster. The problem will start however if there is not a very quick appointment after the season ends. I'm hoping the deal has been made and the new man is already working on things. But you know, this is Villa.

a deal already done? behave

For all you know, it might be.

shall we have a bet? ill have a tenner that we will be unsold by the end of june

Unsold? WarzaVilla was talking about the new manager, not the takeover, i presume.

sorry

how about no new manager announced by the end of may?

I think they will by the end of May.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on May 06, 2016, 02:26:11 AM: Quote from: Clampy on May 05, 2016, 09:12:45 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on May 05, 2016, 09:02:12 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 05, 2016, 08:42:36 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on May 05, 2016, 08:39:50 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 05, 2016, 08:01:49 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on May 05, 2016, 07:41:48 PM
Quote from: WarszaVillan82 on May 05, 2016, 05:21:25 PM
It was definitely the best thing to wait till the end of the season and not have the new manager tainted by this years disaster. The problem will start however if there is not a very quick appointment after the season ends. I'm hoping the deal has been made and the new man is already working on things. But you know, this is Villa.

a deal already done? behave

For all you know, it might be.

shall we have a bet? ill have a tenner that we will be unsold by the end of june

Unsold? WarzaVilla was talking about the new manager, not the takeover, i presume.

sorry

how about no new manager announced by the end of may?

I think they will by the end of May.

It wouldn't surprise me if things start moving the week after the last game of the season. I could see Pearson being appointed that week with him beginning work while the takeover talks continue.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mattjpa on May 06, 2016, 09:56:36 AM: Quote from: aj2k77 on May 05, 2016, 02:09:30 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 05, 2016, 01:29:13 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on May 05, 2016, 01:11:02 PM
So Leicester will be holding their victory parade soon. Back on planet Lerner, Aston Villa are dawdling around, scratching their arse.

Yes, they've because they've just won the league and we can't sign any new players yet anyway.

Can we scout any? No. Why? Because we have no manager, so no idea what players he wants, no scouting system to speak of because they're at school/surfing delete as applicable, no long term decisions or appointments being made because we have no board and no one running things, unless you count the suit guy with fuck all knowledge about sport who assembled a board that lasted roughly the same amount of time one of our clean sheets does.

So yeah, were sitting around scratching our arses.

The crux of the matter in one post and why I genuinely hope we have someone lined up. The beauty of changing the manager and getting the right man in is the effect it can have on players. Literally, get a guy in who knows how to utilise Gestede properly and get him 5-6 goals with his head early on and we could have a completely different player on our hands. Before you know it, his confidence is up, he is working harder, getting in better positions and trying things that are coming off due to increased confidence (look at Adebayor under Sherwood). Suddenly we only need a back up striker as opposed to blowing half our budget on a new striker. Before anyone tells me he is shit and always will be, take a look at Vardy, Soldado, Carroll, Origi when used correctly by the right manager. Get the wrong man in who doesnt fancy him and we have the next nzogbia on our hands.

If the last season has taught us anything, as a complete system for bringing players, dictating players to a manager based on attributes simply does not work. It needs to be integrated with pulling out all the stops to give a manager the opportunity to get in his Generals, the men who will run the dressing room and get them going through brick walls. If we ever want to improve we cant do anything till we have a manager.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on May 06, 2016, 10:35:25 AM: Quote from: mattjpa on May 06, 2016, 09:56:36 AM
Quote from: aj2k77 on May 05, 2016, 02:09:30 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 05, 2016, 01:29:13 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on May 05, 2016, 01:11:02 PM
So Leicester will be holding their victory parade soon. Back on planet Lerner, Aston Villa are dawdling around, scratching their arse.

Yes, they've because they've just won the league and we can't sign any new players yet anyway.

Can we scout any? No. Why? Because we have no manager, so no idea what players he wants, no scouting system to speak of because they're at school/surfing delete as applicable, no long term decisions or appointments being made because we have no board and no one running things, unless you count the suit guy with fuck all knowledge about sport who assembled a board that lasted roughly the same amount of time one of our clean sheets does.

So yeah, were sitting around scratching our arses.

The crux of the matter in one post and why I genuinely hope we have someone lined up. The beauty of changing the manager and getting the right man in is the effect it can have on players. Literally, get a guy in who knows how to utilise Gestede properly and get him 5-6 goals with his head early on and we could have a completely different player on our hands. Before you know it, his confidence is up, he is working harder, getting in better positions and trying things that are coming off due to increased confidence (look at Adebayor under Sherwood). Suddenly we only need a back up striker as opposed to blowing half our budget on a new striker. Before anyone tells me he is shit and always will be, take a look at Vardy, Soldado, Carroll, Origi when used correctly by the right manager. Get the wrong man in who doesnt fancy him and we have the next nzogbia on our hands.

If the last season has taught us anything, as a complete system for bringing players, dictating players to a manager based on attributes simply does not work. It needs to be integrated with pulling out all the stops to give a manager the opportunity to get in his Generals, the men who will run the dressing room and get them going through brick walls. If we ever want to improve we cant do anything till we have a manager.

1. The very reason why a scouting system based entirely on a manager is not a good idea these days.
2. So because we f##ked up moving into the 21st century we should revert to the 1980's? And we should also swallow every last morsel of howash and bullshit fed to the media by Nice but Tim? The same Nice but Tim that was gushing to the media all through last summer about all the leg work he'd been putting in over the previous years top keep track of what felt like every player in Europe under the age of 25.

The only evidence that the scouting set up was dictating to Sherwood was what Sherwood started spouting when it was obviously going tits up with no way back.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Chris Jameson on May 06, 2016, 10:43:41 AM: Quote from: Mister E on May 05, 2016, 08:22:38 PM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on May 05, 2016, 12:53:21 PM
Jay Spearing is far too good for whatever league it is that Bolton are in now.
Welcome back, footyskillz.

Thought I'd get in there before he publishes his list of targets. Suppose Altidore is out of our reach now.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on May 06, 2016, 12:24:02 PM: Let's just sign Robbie Keane and be done with it.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Gregorys Boy on May 06, 2016, 12:34:27 PM: Quote from: passitsideways on May 06, 2016, 12:24:02 PM
Let's just sign Robbie Keane and be done with it.

Well to be fair Joey Barton did a job for Burnley so...
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mattjpa on May 06, 2016, 01:06:03 PM: Quote from: Villa in Denmark on May 06, 2016, 10:35:25 AM
Quote from: mattjpa on May 06, 2016, 09:56:36 AM
Quote from: aj2k77 on May 05, 2016, 02:09:30 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 05, 2016, 01:29:13 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on May 05, 2016, 01:11:02 PM
So Leicester will be holding their victory parade soon. Back on planet Lerner, Aston Villa are dawdling around, scratching their arse.

Yes, they've because they've just won the league and we can't sign any new players yet anyway.

Can we scout any? No. Why? Because we have no manager, so no idea what players he wants, no scouting system to speak of because they're at school/surfing delete as applicable, no long term decisions or appointments being made because we have no board and no one running things, unless you count the suit guy with fuck all knowledge about sport who assembled a board that lasted roughly the same amount of time one of our clean sheets does.

So yeah, were sitting around scratching our arses.

The crux of the matter in one post and why I genuinely hope we have someone lined up. The beauty of changing the manager and getting the right man in is the effect it can have on players. Literally, get a guy in who knows how to utilise Gestede properly and get him 5-6 goals with his head early on and we could have a completely different player on our hands. Before you know it, his confidence is up, he is working harder, getting in better positions and trying things that are coming off due to increased confidence (look at Adebayor under Sherwood). Suddenly we only need a back up striker as opposed to blowing half our budget on a new striker. Before anyone tells me he is shit and always will be, take a look at Vardy, Soldado, Carroll, Origi when used correctly by the right manager. Get the wrong man in who doesnt fancy him and we have the next nzogbia on our hands.

If the last season has taught us anything, as a complete system for bringing players, dictating players to a manager based on attributes simply does not work. It needs to be integrated with pulling out all the stops to give a manager the opportunity to get in his Generals, the men who will run the dressing room and get them going through brick walls. If we ever want to improve we cant do anything till we have a manager.

1. The very reason why a scouting system based entirely on a manager is not a good idea these days.
2. So because we f##ked up moving into the 21st century we should revert to the 1980's? And we should also swallow every last morsel of howash and bullshit fed to the media by Nice but Tim? The same Nice but Tim that was gushing to the media all through last summer about all the leg work he'd been putting in over the previous years top keep track of what felt like every player in Europe under the age of 25.

The only evidence that the scouting set up was dictating to Sherwood was what Sherwood started spouting when it was obviously going tits up with no way back.
There is plenty of evidence to back up what I said - namely both sides have given a variation of what happened. Tim said he did not choose the players, Villa said the players were put in front of him based on attributes he requested and he signed off after discussions with the transfer committee. I suspect the truth is somewhere in the middle and each player was evaluated on individual merits.

Back to what I was trying to say, you are missing my point I think. the key phrase i used was "as a complete system for bringing players" and using a hypathetic scenario to make my point, our scouting system highlight a talented midfielder like Affelay who is available for a bargain 8m and could potentially improve and make us alot of money in the future. We then appoint Sam Allardyce as manager who highlights Kevin Nolan and Mark Noble as the men he wants in Midfield to get us back up and it turns out Affelay isnt really going to get a sniff. We then cant go out and invest 8m on a promising young centreback we have found in the dutch leagues because we have blown the money on a player who is spending the season on the bench.

Im not saying we should revert back to the 80's but we need a manager in who can assess the squad before anything is done, which is why I suspect as was mentioned originally, we are currently scratching our arses.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: saunders_heroes on May 06, 2016, 01:09:07 PM: Quote from: Gregorys Boy on May 06, 2016, 12:34:27 PM
Quote from: passitsideways on May 06, 2016, 12:24:02 PM
Let's just sign Robbie Keane and be done with it.

Well to be fair Joey Barton did a job for Burnley so...

I'd take Joey Barton in the Championship no problem. Did a fine job for Burnley.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Chris Jameson on May 06, 2016, 01:28:35 PM: If we're going to persevere with Gestede then Elmohamady at Hull seems to get plenty of good crosses in whenever I've seen him play.

Obviously I'd like us to build our side round Jay Spearing.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on May 06, 2016, 01:36:33 PM: Quote from: mattjpa on May 06, 2016, 01:06:03 PM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on May 06, 2016, 10:35:25 AM
Quote from: mattjpa on May 06, 2016, 09:56:36 AM
Quote from: aj2k77 on May 05, 2016, 02:09:30 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 05, 2016, 01:29:13 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on May 05, 2016, 01:11:02 PM
So Leicester will be holding their victory parade soon. Back on planet Lerner, Aston Villa are dawdling around, scratching their arse.

Yes, they've because they've just won the league and we can't sign any new players yet anyway.

Can we scout any? No. Why? Because we have no manager, so no idea what players he wants, no scouting system to speak of because they're at school/surfing delete as applicable, no long term decisions or appointments being made because we have no board and no one running things, unless you count the suit guy with fuck all knowledge about sport who assembled a board that lasted roughly the same amount of time one of our clean sheets does.

So yeah, were sitting around scratching our arses.

The crux of the matter in one post and why I genuinely hope we have someone lined up. The beauty of changing the manager and getting the right man in is the effect it can have on players. Literally, get a guy in who knows how to utilise Gestede properly and get him 5-6 goals with his head early on and we could have a completely different player on our hands. Before you know it, his confidence is up, he is working harder, getting in better positions and trying things that are coming off due to increased confidence (look at Adebayor under Sherwood). Suddenly we only need a back up striker as opposed to blowing half our budget on a new striker. Before anyone tells me he is shit and always will be, take a look at Vardy, Soldado, Carroll, Origi when used correctly by the right manager. Get the wrong man in who doesnt fancy him and we have the next nzogbia on our hands.

If the last season has taught us anything, as a complete system for bringing players, dictating players to a manager based on attributes simply does not work. It needs to be integrated with pulling out all the stops to give a manager the opportunity to get in his Generals, the men who will run the dressing room and get them going through brick walls. If we ever want to improve we cant do anything till we have a manager.

1. The very reason why a scouting system based entirely on a manager is not a good idea these days.
2. So because we f##ked up moving into the 21st century we should revert to the 1980's? And we should also swallow every last morsel of howash and bullshit fed to the media by Nice but Tim? The same Nice but Tim that was gushing to the media all through last summer about all the leg work he'd been putting in over the previous years top keep track of what felt like every player in Europe under the age of 25.

The only evidence that the scouting set up was dictating to Sherwood was what Sherwood started spouting when it was obviously going tits up with no way back.
There is plenty of evidence to back up what I said - namely both sides have given a variation of what happened.1 Tim said he did not choose the players, Villa said the players were put in front of him based on attributes he requested and he signed off after discussions with the transfer committee. I suspect the truth is somewhere in the middle and each player was evaluated on individual merits.

Back to what I was trying to say, you are missing my point I think. the key phrase i used was "as a complete system for bringing players" and using a hypathetic scenario to make my point, our scouting system highlight a talented midfielder like Affelay who is available for a bargain 8m and could potentially improve and make us alot of money in the future. We then appoint Sam Allardyce as manager who highlights Kevin Nolan and Mark Noble as the men he wants in Midfield to get us back up and it turns out Affelay isnt really going to get a sniff. We then cant go out and invest 8m on a promising young centreback we have found in the dutch leagues because we have blown the money on a player who is spending the season on the bench.

Im not saying we should revert back to the 80's but we need a manager in who can assess the squad before anything is done, which is why I suspect as was mentioned originally, we are currently scratching our arses.

1. Tim also said he'd scouted them all for years. Look back at the quotes attributed to him when the individual players signed. I'd sooner place my trust in the tooth fairy or believe a 9/11 conspiracy nut than anything that came out of that chancers mouth. Once it got to the point of no return was when all of those stories circulating. Blatant self preservation and wearing of Teflon shoulder pads. Nothing more. Nothing less.

2. I wouldn't argue with your Affelay / Allerdyce example. But name me one example where we've done that, other than the mindf##k that was Ireland, which has nothing to do with this set up.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on May 06, 2016, 01:50:49 PM: Quote from: Chris Jameson on May 06, 2016, 01:28:35 PM
If we're going to persevere with Gestede then Elmohamady at Hull seems to get plenty of good crosses in whenever I've seen him play.

Obviously I'd like us to build our side round Jay Spearing.

But would Spearing come? Not sure we're ion the market for that level of talent just yet.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mattjpa on May 06, 2016, 01:53:50 PM: Maybe, I would rather not go back through Tiger Tim's steaming pile of quotes to find out if you dont mind, I found him irritating at the best of times. But whoever picked/signed off/scouted the players we brought in it was a monumental disaster for 50m, probably the biggest the premier league has ever seen.

If we had dispensed with him after the cup final debarcle and brought in Pearson then it may have been a different scenario now. Imagine if instead of Bunn, Richards, Lescott and Traore we had brought in Fabianski, Huth, Shawcross and Carrick along with all of the other new lads we got in. I have tried to be realistic and I honestly dont think we would be down
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on May 06, 2016, 02:21:49 PM: Quote from: peter w on May 06, 2016, 01:50:49 PM

But would Spearing come? Not sure we're ion the market for that level of talent just yet.

Up and atom
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: in exile on May 06, 2016, 03:16:34 PM: Quote from: UK Redsox on May 06, 2016, 02:21:49 PM
Quote from: peter w on May 06, 2016, 01:50:49 PM

But would Spearing come? Not sure we're ion the market for that level of talent just yet.

Up and atom
We need to buy some players to form the nucleus of a good midfield
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mattjpa on May 06, 2016, 03:19:11 PM: Quote from: in exile on May 06, 2016, 03:16:34 PM
Quote from: UK Redsox on May 06, 2016, 02:21:49 PM
Quote from: peter w on May 06, 2016, 01:50:49 PM

But would Spearing come? Not sure we're ion the market for that level of talent just yet.

Up and atom
We need to buy some players to form the nucleus of a good midfield

We would be fine if we still Hadron Vlaar here
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Mister E on May 06, 2016, 07:53:26 PM: Quote from: mattjpa on May 06, 2016, 01:53:50 PM
Maybe, I would rather not go back through Tiger Tim's steaming pile of quotes to find out if you dont mind, I found him irritating at the best of times. But whoever picked/signed off/scouted the players we brought in it was a monumental disaster for 50m, probably the biggest the premier league has ever seen.

If we had dispensed with him after the cup final debarcle and brought in Pearson then it may have been a different scenario now. Imagine if instead of Bunn, Richards, Lescott and Traore we had brought in Fabianski, Huth, Shawcross and Carrick along with all of the other new lads we got in. I have tried to be realistic and I honestly dont think we would be down
Controversial perhaps, but many of the summer's purchases may not be as bad as you imply. The challenge - as ever - has been in the coaching and management of the players.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: BOB MANSFIELD on May 06, 2016, 08:11:12 PM: Evening.
Mr E you have a great point there that has annoyed me for several years. The " coaching " skills of turning average players into good players and good players into a great team.
That's what we've had when we've enjoyed success before........and what has been sadly lacking since O'Neil-now-I'm-off.
Too many players don't take coaching advice. They think they know it all because they have had a few good games and been told by their agents they are brilliant. And don't get me started on so-called professional players who can't or won't kick a ball with either foot !
Where does the improvement of players come in ?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave P on May 06, 2016, 08:27:30 PM: Quote from: Chris Jameson on May 06, 2016, 01:28:35 PM
If we're going to persevere with Gestede then Elmohamady at Hull seems to get plenty of good crosses in whenever I've seen him play.

Obviously I'd like us to build our side round Jay Spearing.

I mentioned Elmohamady a few pages back. A great crosser of the ball.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on May 06, 2016, 10:20:33 PM: Quote from: Mister E on May 06, 2016, 07:53:26 PM
Quote from: mattjpa on May 06, 2016, 01:53:50 PM
Maybe, I would rather not go back through Tiger Tim's steaming pile of quotes to find out if you dont mind, I found him irritating at the best of times. But whoever picked/signed off/scouted the players we brought in it was a monumental disaster for 50m, probably the biggest the premier league has ever seen.

If we had dispensed with him after the cup final debarcle and brought in Pearson then it may have been a different scenario now. Imagine if instead of Bunn, Richards, Lescott and Traore we had brought in Fabianski, Huth, Shawcross and Carrick along with all of the other new lads we got in. I have tried to be realistic and I honestly dont think we would be down
Controversial perhaps, but many of the summer's purchases may not be as bad as you imply. The challenge - as ever - has been in the coaching and management of the players.

I think we pretty much agree on the players we should have improved on.

Simplistically I'd have kept Bunn as a backup and have found a better No. 1 than Guzan and looked for a better alternative to Gestede.
That with someone who knew what they were doing during pre season and once we were under way would at least have given us a chance.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on May 07, 2016, 06:39:24 AM: Quote from: Mister E on May 06, 2016, 07:53:26 PM
Quote from: mattjpa on May 06, 2016, 01:53:50 PM
Maybe, I would rather not go back through Tiger Tim's steaming pile of quotes to find out if you dont mind, I found him irritating at the best of times. But whoever picked/signed off/scouted the players we brought in it was a monumental disaster for 50m, probably the biggest the premier league has ever seen.

If we had dispensed with him after the cup final debarcle and brought in Pearson then it may have been a different scenario now. Imagine if instead of Bunn, Richards, Lescott and Traore we had brought in Fabianski, Huth, Shawcross and Carrick along with all of the other new lads we got in. I have tried to be realistic and I honestly dont think we would be down
Controversial perhaps, but many of the summer's purchases may not be as bad as you imply. The challenge - as ever - has been in the coaching and management of the players.

Yep - I mean, as an example, it just showed up in my Twitter timeline that Jonny Evans, who of course we were quite strongly linked with (I think), who a lot of people here were unenthusiastic about, just won Albion's player of the year vote; yet I can't help but feel that if he had signed for us, he would've been made to look as poor as the Albion defender we did end up signing.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Risso on May 07, 2016, 06:44:14 AM: Quote from: passitsideways on May 07, 2016, 06:39:24 AM
Quote from: Mister E on May 06, 2016, 07:53:26 PM
Quote from: mattjpa on May 06, 2016, 01:53:50 PM
Maybe, I would rather not go back through Tiger Tim's steaming pile of quotes to find out if you dont mind, I found him irritating at the best of times. But whoever picked/signed off/scouted the players we brought in it was a monumental disaster for 50m, probably the biggest the premier league has ever seen.

If we had dispensed with him after the cup final debarcle and brought in Pearson then it may have been a different scenario now. Imagine if instead of Bunn, Richards, Lescott and Traore we had brought in Fabianski, Huth, Shawcross and Carrick along with all of the other new lads we got in. I have tried to be realistic and I honestly dont think we would be down
Controversial perhaps, but many of the summer's purchases may not be as bad as you imply. The challenge - as ever - has been in the coaching and management of the players.

Yep - I mean, as an example, it just showed up in my Twitter timeline that Jonny Evans, who of course we were quite strongly linked with (I think), who a lot of people here were unenthusiastic about, just won Albion's player of the year vote; yet I can't help but feel that if he had signed for us, he would've been made to look as poor as the Albion defender we did end up signing.

Well the last WBA player of the year hasn't exactly been a resounding success.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: villabear on May 08, 2016, 08:09:17 AM: Might upset a few (literally) but I think Lee Cattermole would do a job next season.

'Runs off awaiting backlash'
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on May 08, 2016, 08:10:36 AM: Quote from: villabear on May 08, 2016, 08:09:17 AM
Might upset a few (literally) but I think Lee Cattermole would do a job next season.

'Runs off awaiting backlash'

I'd rather have Barton that's saying something
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on May 08, 2016, 09:21:03 AM: Quote from: villabear on May 08, 2016, 08:09:17 AM
Might upset a few (literally) but I think Lee Cattermole would do a job next season.

'Runs off awaiting backlash'
He could get about 10 red cards yes. He could get a nice little collection of them to go with all his yellows and at the end of the season use them all as giant confetti.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on May 08, 2016, 04:12:11 PM: Linked with Tom Huddleston, Miereles again too. Two central midfielders with know how, particularly for the Championship. I wouldn't say not to either, especially for no fee.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 08, 2016, 04:13:44 PM: Quote from: villabear on May 08, 2016, 08:09:17 AM
Might upset a few (literally) but I think Lee Cattermole would do a job next season.

'Runs off awaiting backlash'
Do the changing rooms need painting?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: villabear on May 08, 2016, 04:19:35 PM: Quote from: ChicagoLion on May 08, 2016, 04:13:44 PM
Quote from: villabear on May 08, 2016, 08:09:17 AM
Might upset a few (literally) but I think Lee Cattermole would do a job next season.

'Runs off awaiting backlash'
Do the changing rooms need painting?

I take it it's a no then?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on May 08, 2016, 05:05:41 PM: yes.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 08, 2016, 07:28:57 PM: Quote from: villabear on May 08, 2016, 04:19:35 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on May 08, 2016, 04:13:44 PM
Quote from: villabear on May 08, 2016, 08:09:17 AM
Might upset a few (literally) but I think Lee Cattermole would do a job next season.

'Runs off awaiting backlash'
Do the changing rooms need painting?

I take it it's a no then?
There are worse ideas on here.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: montague on May 08, 2016, 07:40:20 PM: Gary O'Neil is a rumour
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on May 08, 2016, 08:21:32 PM: about what?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on May 08, 2016, 09:21:02 PM: Quote from: ChicagoLion on May 08, 2016, 07:28:57 PM
Quote from: villabear on May 08, 2016, 04:19:35 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on May 08, 2016, 04:13:44 PM
Quote from: villabear on May 08, 2016, 08:09:17 AM
Might upset a few (literally) but I think Lee Cattermole would do a job next season.

'Runs off awaiting backlash'
Do the changing rooms need painting?

I take it it's a no then?
There are worse ideas on here.
Other than not nominating Agbonlahor for wanker of the year, I struggling to think of one.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Des Little on May 08, 2016, 11:22:17 PM: Quote from: montague on May 08, 2016, 07:40:20 PM
Gary O'Neil is a rumour

Isn't he about 46?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 09, 2016, 12:02:38 PM: Quote
Aston Villa trail Bosnian midfielder Tino-Sven Susic as they begin preparations for life in the Championship

Aston Villa scouts have been watching 24-year-old Tino-Sven Susic
The Bosnian is a creative midfielder at Croatian club side Hajduk Split
Nigel Pearson attempted to sign the player for Leicester City in 2015
The former Foxes boss is reported to be Villa's No 1 choice to take over

By JOE BERNSTEIN FOR MAILONLINE
PUBLISHED: 09:22 GMT, 9 May 2016 | UPDATED: 09:47 GMT, 9 May 2016

Aston Villa are trailing £4million Bosnian midfielder Tino-Sven Susic - who Nigel Pearson once tried to sign for Leicester City.
Villa scouts were in the crowd on Sunday night as Susic's Croatian club side Hajduk Split were beaten 2-0 by Inter Zapresa.
Susic is a creative midfielder who has attracted the attention of several English clubs including Stoke City before.

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/05/09/10/33FA3ED800000578-0-image-a-44_1462785568918.jpg)
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Chris Smith on May 09, 2016, 12:14:07 PM: Quote from: montague on May 08, 2016, 07:40:20 PM
Gary O'Neil is a rumour

No, he is real.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Hookeysmith on May 09, 2016, 01:20:01 PM: Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 09, 2016, 12:02:38 PM
Quote
Aston Villa trail Bosnian midfielder Tino-Sven Susic as they begin preparations for life in the Championship

Aston Villa scouts have been watching 24-year-old Tino-Sven Susic
The Bosnian is a creative midfielder at Croatian club side Hajduk Split
Nigel Pearson attempted to sign the player for Leicester City in 2015
The former Foxes boss is reported to be Villa's No 1 choice to take over

By JOE BERNSTEIN FOR MAILONLINE
PUBLISHED: 09:22 GMT, 9 May 2016 | UPDATED: 09:47 GMT, 9 May 2016

Aston Villa are trailing £4million Bosnian midfielder Tino-Sven Susic - who Nigel Pearson once tried to sign for Leicester City.
Villa scouts were in the crowd on Sunday night as Susic's Croatian club side Hajduk Split were beaten 2-0 by Inter Zapresa.
Susic is a creative midfielder who has attracted the attention of several English clubs including Stoke City before.

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/05/09/10/33FA3ED800000578-0-image-a-44_1462785568918.jpg)

I would assume if we are being linked with players linked to Pearson that might be another step to knowing our manager?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: placeforparks on May 09, 2016, 01:21:20 PM: nigel reo-coker is a rumour.

i've just made it up.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: willenhall villa on May 09, 2016, 02:13:22 PM: I've got a feeling that Karl Henry might be one for us. There's also a lad at Brentford that is doing the business and is from near Cannock. A midfielder if I'm correct.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 09, 2016, 02:24:32 PM: Karl Henry, absolutely not.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: paul_e on May 09, 2016, 04:17:33 PM: Quote from: Hookeysmith on May 09, 2016, 01:20:01 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 09, 2016, 12:02:38 PM
Quote
Aston Villa trail Bosnian midfielder Tino-Sven Susic as they begin preparations for life in the Championship

Aston Villa scouts have been watching 24-year-old Tino-Sven Susic
The Bosnian is a creative midfielder at Croatian club side Hajduk Split
Nigel Pearson attempted to sign the player for Leicester City in 2015
The former Foxes boss is reported to be Villa's No 1 choice to take over

By JOE BERNSTEIN FOR MAILONLINE
PUBLISHED: 09:22 GMT, 9 May 2016 | UPDATED: 09:47 GMT, 9 May 2016

Aston Villa are trailing £4million Bosnian midfielder Tino-Sven Susic - who Nigel Pearson once tried to sign for Leicester City.
Villa scouts were in the crowd on Sunday night as Susic's Croatian club side Hajduk Split were beaten 2-0 by Inter Zapresa.
Susic is a creative midfielder who has attracted the attention of several English clubs including Stoke City before.

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/05/09/10/33FA3ED800000578-0-image-a-44_1462785568918.jpg)

I would assume if we are being linked with players linked to Pearson that might be another step to knowing our manager?

More likely they've heard that we had scouts there and realised that one of them was linked with Leicester whilst Pearson was there and they've joined the dots. If our scouting network is still running then them being at a game really doesn't mean anything right now, it's just a case of us keeping an eye on players that we think might be a good fit if needed, that's just how a scouting network should work.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on May 09, 2016, 04:22:18 PM: was there a stream accessible from Australia?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on May 09, 2016, 08:03:33 PM: Bradley Dack. I've scouted him myself, well watched him against Wigan for Gillingham once, which is probably more than most of our other signings were scouted. He looks a tidy little play maker at lower levels.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on May 09, 2016, 08:33:04 PM: There are some interesting bosman's about this summer. If, if, if, we have the manager and owners in place we might not need bosman transfers but it would be daft not to have a look.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ldavfc4eva on May 09, 2016, 10:14:42 PM: QPR have let quite a few go or will do so, Green and Clint Hill, Diakite,Armand Traore and Faurlin.

Someone on here did mention green as number one but he's another over paid hast it player we would well to avoid.

Would like Button from Brentford or Marshall from Cardiff in goal but both will cost big money I imagine.

That's the sort of player we need though experienced in the championship but eager to get into the prem and have a crack at the big time, not has beens or mercenaries.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Grande Pablo on May 09, 2016, 10:46:05 PM: We've not a good track record in acquiring work permits for obsure Eastern Europeans.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KevinGage on May 09, 2016, 11:02:25 PM: Wasn't there some odd story about a chairman or someone senior at a relegation rival using his contacts in the Home Office to get the permit for the Croatian goalie blocked?

Would normally describe that type of thing as 100% manure, but it has been that kind of season.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on May 09, 2016, 11:20:19 PM: Kalinic - All done, work permit agreed apart from a ratification through some panel, one of which was Margaret Byrne, she who had the morale fibre to allow Johnson to keep playing for Sunderland, voted that he was not of the right quality. Or something like that. But the league isn't at all murky. Not at all.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 10, 2016, 12:04:44 AM: Quote from: Grande Pablo on May 09, 2016, 10:46:05 PM
We've not a good track record in acquiring work permits for obsure Eastern Europeans.

He's got a Belgian passport according to Transfermarkt.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VancouverLion on May 10, 2016, 07:48:52 AM: Dwight Gayle he'd score 15-20 and would make a tremendous partner for Gestede.
6m would get him I reckon
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 10, 2016, 07:51:46 AM: If Ayew leaves, Nicky Ajose from Swindon might be a cheaper alternative to Gayle as someone to play alongside Gestede.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on May 10, 2016, 08:37:24 AM: Just from wiki, with never having seen him play, it says he's tiny 5ft 6 and has had 1 good season in 5 years.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ClaretAndBlueBlood on May 10, 2016, 09:25:02 AM: Quote from: aj2k77 on May 10, 2016, 08:37:24 AM
Just from wiki, with never having seen him play, it says he's tiny 5ft 6 and has had 1 good season in 5 years.

nothing wrong with being 5ft 6.........
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 10, 2016, 09:53:11 AM: Quote from: aj2k77 on May 10, 2016, 08:37:24 AM
Just from wiki, with never having seen him play, it says he's tiny 5ft 6 and has had 1 good season in 5 years.

Better than Gabby then?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: HolmesyVilla on May 10, 2016, 12:29:44 PM: Gayle's not a bad shout actually, hopefully Ayew will stay with us but if not Gayle and big Rudy could be a pretty decent combo up top championship level.
Would need further investment if they fired us to the title though cos they aren't quite starter material for the top league.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on May 10, 2016, 12:58:30 PM: Gayle who has about a 1 in 3 record in the Premier league? He will be staying put or going to another premier league team I am pretty sure.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KevinGage on May 10, 2016, 01:05:23 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on May 09, 2016, 11:20:19 PM
Kalinic - All done, work permit agreed apart from a ratification through some panel, one of which was Margaret Byrne, she who had the morale fibre to allow Johnson to keep playing for Sunderland, voted that he was not of the right quality. Or something like that. But the league isn't at all murky. Not at all.

Wow, not a conflict of interest there at all.

Manone, Pantilimon and all the other useless beggars they have had up there. Yes, Sunderland would be experts at foreign goalies not being up to snuff.

Not saying Kalinic would have righted all our wrongs, but you think of some of the games where Brad was practically throwing the ball into his own net at times and how a competent keeper might have kept us vaguely competitive.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on May 10, 2016, 01:06:11 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on May 10, 2016, 12:58:30 PM
Gayle who has about a 1 in 3 record in the Premier league? He will be staying put or going to another premier league team I am pretty sure.

Bamford could be another one for next season. Patrick Roberts from Manchester City who has been on loan all season at Celtic might be a decent shout as well, though he is a wide player.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tom_Mc9? on May 10, 2016, 01:08:57 PM: Roberts is at Celtic until 2017, but I'm sure some other Man City youngsters would be good if we're to go down loan signings route.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: HolmesyVilla on May 10, 2016, 01:18:24 PM: Quote from: R. P. McMurphy on May 10, 2016, 01:08:57 PM
Roberts is at Celtic until 2017, but I'm sure some other Man City youngsters would be good if we're to go down loan signings route.

Not keen to loan others young uns myself would rather try our own young Villans
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: b23 on May 10, 2016, 09:51:12 PM: Quote from: Newby on May 09, 2016, 08:33:04 PM
There are some interesting bosman's about this summer. If, if, if, we have the manager and owners in place we might not need bosman transfers but it would be daft not to have a look.

Plenty of Bosmans here.

http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/transfers/endendevertraege/statistik
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on May 10, 2016, 09:57:27 PM: Huddlestone's only 29?? I thought he'd be well into his 30's by now.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on May 10, 2016, 09:59:36 PM: Quote from: supertom on May 10, 2016, 09:57:27 PM
Huddlestone's only 29?? I thought he'd be well into his 30's by now.

Yeah, debuted at 16 I think, so he's been around for what seems a lot longer. Worth a punt, for no fee.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on May 10, 2016, 10:09:11 PM: Quote from: Newby on May 10, 2016, 09:59:36 PM
Quote from: supertom on May 10, 2016, 09:57:27 PM
Huddlestone's only 29?? I thought he'd be well into his 30's by now.

Yeah, debuted at 16 I think, so he's been around for what seems a lot longer. Worth a punt, for no fee.
If he lowers his wage. I'd rather have Carrick or Barry for that role, but Hudd is the realistic option.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Hookeysmith on May 11, 2016, 11:35:16 AM: Quote from: supertom on May 10, 2016, 10:09:11 PM
Quote from: Newby on May 10, 2016, 09:59:36 PM
Quote from: supertom on May 10, 2016, 09:57:27 PM
Huddlestone's only 29?? I thought he'd be well into his 30's by now.

Yeah, debuted at 16 I think, so he's been around for what seems a lot longer. Worth a punt, for no fee.
If he lowers his wage. I'd rather have Carrick or Barry for that role, but Hudd is the realistic option.

Would be on huge wages - even by our standards and even I could cover more ground quicker than him. I liked him earlier in his career but now way too slow - also has hardly set the Championship alight as he?

James Morrison
Tom Carrol @ 23
Elmohamady @ 28

all better options off that list
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on May 11, 2016, 11:58:38 AM: Quote from: cdbullyweefan on May 10, 2016, 07:51:46 AM
If Ayew leaves, Nicky Ajose from Swindon might be a cheaper alternative to Gayle as someone to play alongside Gestede.

You are Paul Lambert and I claim my £5!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 11, 2016, 02:06:51 PM: McCormack £12 million, give me a break.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on May 11, 2016, 02:33:33 PM: Christie, Dack, Robertson, Dunk, Grigg, go back in for that Croatian keeper, Zac Clough, Redmond, Judge. I'd be happy with any of those. Have no idea who for Centre Mid though.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ldavfc4eva on May 11, 2016, 06:54:40 PM: Diame from hull or Bryson/Hughes from Derby for the Middle, if Derby don't go up then Johnny Russell would be good as an attacking option.

How much that lot would cost is another thing though.

All depends on who we get rid of doesn't it, I would like a midfield of Gana/Sanchez/Veretout for the championship next season with Westwood and Gardner as back up.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cheltenhamlion on May 11, 2016, 07:09:17 PM: That Taylor lad at Bristol Rovers is worth a couple of hundred grand punt.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on May 11, 2016, 10:20:25 PM: David Nugent would be best option up front proven at this level
Dexter Blackstock of forest or
Chris wood powerful striker at Leeds would all be better price than McCormack
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 11, 2016, 10:24:27 PM: Why fill the squad with championship dross?

That's how you stay in it.

They might have looked shit this season but plenty of the players we have are good enough to get us back up.

We need to keep these and add players good enough to win the championship, not ones who will help us bob along in it because that's their level. What would be the point in that?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 11, 2016, 10:59:53 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 11, 2016, 10:24:27 PM
Why fill the squad with championship dross?

That's how you stay in it.

They might have looked shit this season but plenty of the players we have are good enough to get us back up.

We need to keep these and add players good enough to win the championship, not ones who will help us bob along in it because that's their level. What would be the point in that?

Boro signings in last 18 months

Albert Admoah
Rhodes
Adam Foreshaw
Adam Clayton
Leadbitter
George Friend

Championship dross did alright for them. Burnley have a similar model aswell.

I think whatever level we sign players from, we need them to have the right mentality and actually relish getting this club out of the championship the right end.

I do agree if we sign too many some will struggle with the step up and pressure but we've seen recently there's some good talent in the lower leagues.

Personally I would be happy signing 3-4 with some older heads from premier league like Adam, James Morrison and an experienced CB like Distin or something.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: A Northern Soul on May 11, 2016, 11:01:02 PM: Lewis Kinsella has gone - apologies if posted elsewhere, been a long day and haven't the energy to trawl too far!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: nigel on May 11, 2016, 11:04:25 PM: Leigh Griffiths, Celtic forward. 40 goals this season.
Might fancy his chances South of the boarder.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 11, 2016, 11:06:41 PM: Quote from: nigel on May 11, 2016, 11:04:25 PM
Leigh Griffiths, Celtic forward. 40 goals this season.
Might fancy his chances South of the boarder.

Nah:

1. He's got it easy up there.
2. His head is strange.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on May 11, 2016, 11:09:32 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 11, 2016, 10:24:27 PM
Why fill the squad with championship dross?

That's how you stay in it.

They might have looked shit this season but plenty of the players we have are good enough to get us back up.

We need to keep these and add players good enough to win the championship, not ones who will help us bob along in it because that's their level. What would be the point in that?

I have agreed with this for the past few months, but today I have a doubt.

This team of players got half, HALF the points total of Naaarwich and Mags. So lets assume for a moment that this is an indicator of squad quality.

Thats two teams we are compteting with next year who are not just a little but significantly better than we are. Norwich in particular just about scraped into the PL by the playoffs but it was not a dominating performance, yet we still are half as good as them.

If you buy into that then maybe, maybe, our players are just not good enough to get us promoted and we do need to recruit the best players from the Championship or beyond.

Anyway sorry for derail but its a worrying thought.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on May 11, 2016, 11:18:08 PM: Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on May 11, 2016, 11:09:32 PM
If you buy into that then maybe, maybe, our players are just not good enough to get us promoted and we do need to recruit the best players from the Championship or beyond.

I don't think that anybody would say that we shouldn't recruit the best players from the Championship. That seems pretty sensible, and Paulie doesn't say that we shouldn't aim for the best players there.

But the best players from the Championship aren't and never have been Dexter Blackstock.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 11, 2016, 11:24:35 PM: Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on May 11, 2016, 11:09:32 PM
If you buy into that then maybe, maybe, our players are just not good enough to get us promoted and we do need to recruit the best players from the Championship or beyond.

Yes, the best players from the championship, players who are too good for that level - people seem to be looking at players who have been at that level for years and saying "he knows the league". Yes, they know the league because they've spent most of their careers there. For a reason.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on May 11, 2016, 11:38:17 PM: George Friend and Jordan Rhodes have been stand out players though and linked with Premier league moves for a long time. Boro have been helped by Downing and Gaston Ramirez being miles better than the championship. Much like Traore, Gil, Grealish and Veretout are if we keep hold of them and have a manager with some sort of ability to actually manage, organise and motivate a team.

As Paulie says, a lot of our players are easily better than a lot down there already. The big thing for me is getting 3-4 leaders through the spine of the team. We have Gestede, a goalscorer alongside him with experience of the league makes sense, so McCormack must be worth a look. Burnley went out and got the stand out striker in that division when they were relegated and it basically ensured promotion. A defender of experience and quality to sit alongside Clark and lead the back line - no idea who, but someone in the ilk of the hairy Pole at Leicester would be useful. Someone versed in the dark arts. Wilson at Stoke would be worth a look as a utility defender across the back too IMO. Morrison from Albion might be worth a go if he doesn't sign his deal there. 3-4 well thought out loan deals too. Ramirez at Boro being a good example. How much longer have Dawson and Davies got on their deals at Hull - easily better than Championship and good enough for our side. If they don't go up they might be forced to shed some players. Diame and Livermore (looked very good 2 years ago in midfield) might also be worth a look. Bamford up front if Chelsea are selling - although Boro may well go back in for him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: paul_e on May 11, 2016, 11:42:10 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 11, 2016, 11:24:35 PM
Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on May 11, 2016, 11:09:32 PM
If you buy into that then maybe, maybe, our players are just not good enough to get us promoted and we do need to recruit the best players from the Championship or beyond.

Yes, the best players from the championship, players who are too good for that level - people seem to be looking at players who have been at that level for years and saying "he knows the league". Yes, they know the league because they've spent most of their careers there. For a reason.

Yep, pick players who are just too good for the league and try to get a few of them, judge looks a good example, his injury means he'll probably not get a big move so he might be available. I'd look at players who are too good for leagues like scotland, holland and belgium as well, if you can find a 20/21/22 year old in one of those leagues there's a good chance that premier league clubs might skip by them wanting to get 'proven quality' but the lower standard of the championship means you've got a better chance of settling. Especially if the takeover does happen we need to be looking at buying players who will be good enough to be midtable premier league players in 2 years time. That won't include people like Nugent and Blackstock who are over the hill and were never good enough for the top flight anyway. I don't mind the idea of 1 or 2 older heads but they need to be in the right positions and have the right qualities.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on May 11, 2016, 11:46:21 PM: Nugent scored 20 goals the season Leicester won the league. He was too good when he was younger for that division, but could not do it in the Prem. Much like I fear Gestede, and probably McCormack, but they will score 40 plus between them to set you well on your way.

Fulham have got a young ish midfielder that is quality.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on May 11, 2016, 11:49:40 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on May 11, 2016, 11:38:17 PM
George Friend and Jordan Rhodes have been stand out players though and linked with Premier league moves for a long time. Boro have been helped by Downing and Gaston Ramirez being miles better than the championship. Much like Traore, Gil, Grealish and Veretout are if we keep hold of them and have a manager with some sort of ability to actually manage, organise and motivate a team.

As Paulie says, a lot of our players are easily better than a lot down there already. The big thing for me is getting 3-4 leaders through the spine of the team. We have Gestede, a goalscorer alongside him with experience of the league makes sense, so McCormack must be worth a look. Burnley went out and got the stand out striker in that division when they were relegated and it basically ensured promotion. A defender of experience and quality to sit alongside Clark and lead the back line - no idea who, but someone in the ilk of the hairy Pole at Leicester would be useful. Someone versed in the dark arts. Wilson at Stoke would be worth a look as a utility defender across the back too IMO. Morrison from Albion might be worth a go if he doesn't sign his deal there. 3-4 well thought out loan deals too. Ramirez at Boro being a good example. How much longer have Dawson and Davies got on their deals at Hull - easily better than Championship and good enough for our side. If they don't go up they might be forced to shed some players. Diame and Livermore (looked very good 2 years ago in midfield) might also be worth a look. Bamford up front if Chelsea are selling - although Boro may well go back in for him.

Gil?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on May 12, 2016, 12:02:55 AM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on May 11, 2016, 11:24:35 PM
Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on May 11, 2016, 11:09:32 PM
If you buy into that then maybe, maybe, our players are just not good enough to get us promoted and we do need to recruit the best players from the Championship or beyond.

Yes, the best players from the championship, players who are too good for that level - people seem to be looking at players who have been at that level for years and saying "he knows the league". Yes, they know the league because they've spent most of their careers there. For a reason.

I agree. We should not only be looking at players for next season, but also hopefully when we are back in the top flight the season after that.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on May 12, 2016, 06:46:45 AM: It's the old Tony Pulis dilemma. Do we prepare for the immediate future and do whatever is needed to get back up or do we take the longer view and regard the main agenda as getting back up and staying up. If it is the Chinese owners I suspect the intense pragmatism they apply to business generally will see them focussing on getting back up and banking the added value before the long term is contemplated.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on May 12, 2016, 07:24:28 AM: Quote from: peter w on May 11, 2016, 11:49:40 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 11, 2016, 11:38:17 PM
George Friend and Jordan Rhodes have been stand out players though and linked with Premier league moves for a long time. Boro have been helped by Downing and Gaston Ramirez being miles better than the championship. Much like Traore, Gil, Grealish and Veretout are if we keep hold of them and have a manager with some sort of ability to actually manage, organise and motivate a team.

As Paulie says, a lot of our players are easily better than a lot down there already. The big thing for me is getting 3-4 leaders through the spine of the team. We have Gestede, a goalscorer alongside him with experience of the league makes sense, so McCormack must be worth a look. Burnley went out and got the stand out striker in that division when they were relegated and it basically ensured promotion. A defender of experience and quality to sit alongside Clark and lead the back line - no idea who, but someone in the ilk of the hairy Pole at Leicester would be useful. Someone versed in the dark arts. Wilson at Stoke would be worth a look as a utility defender across the back too IMO. Morrison from Albion might be worth a go if he doesn't sign his deal there. 3-4 well thought out loan deals too. Ramirez at Boro being a good example. How much longer have Dawson and Davies got on their deals at Hull - easily better than Championship and good enough for our side. If they don't go up they might be forced to shed some players. Diame and Livermore (looked very good 2 years ago in midfield) might also be worth a look. Bamford up front if Chelsea are selling - although Boro may well go back in for him.

Gil?

I honestly have no idea what to make of him and how he'd do a division below: he always seems to receive the ball so deep, which means that even when he beats someone, he still has half the pitch + three or four more defenders ahead of him to navigate. I don't know whether it's because of physical limitations, or because of how poorly we're set up. Might not be useful for the derbies we'll have but I think there'll be plenty of occasions where teams sit back against us and in those cases his ability to play quick one-twos and pick out a pass should be useful.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: WarszaVillan on May 12, 2016, 07:46:47 AM: Quote from: brian green on May 12, 2016, 06:46:45 AM
It's the old Tony Pulis dilemma. Do we prepare for the immediate future and do whatever is needed to get back up or do we take the longer view and regard the main agenda as getting back up and staying up. If it is the Chinese owners I suspect the intense pragmatism they apply to business generally will see them focussing on getting back up and banking the added value before the long term is contemplated.

It's going to have to be a mix of both. Like Taylor buying players both like Platt and Simms. If there is one thing the Chinese are known for it's their long-term thinking.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: paul_e on May 12, 2016, 09:42:38 AM: Quote from: WarszaVillan82 on May 12, 2016, 07:46:47 AM
Quote from: brian green on May 12, 2016, 06:46:45 AM
It's the old Tony Pulis dilemma. Do we prepare for the immediate future and do whatever is needed to get back up or do we take the longer view and regard the main agenda as getting back up and staying up. If it is the Chinese owners I suspect the intense pragmatism they apply to business generally will see them focussing on getting back up and banking the added value before the long term is contemplated.

It's going to have to be a mix of both. Like Taylor buying players both like Platt and Simms. If there is one thing the Chinese are known for it's their long-term thinking.

I'd like the 'safe' signings to be a keeper and a defensive midfielder where they use their experience and knowledge to build the confidence of the team and provide that leadership which we've just not had this year. The rest of the signings should be of the the 'young enough to improve' mould so a year in a slightly less pressured environment can build their confidence ahead of a return to the premier league.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 12, 2016, 10:14:59 AM: We need the best possible players we can get, that's not the best players from Championship hopefully in most cases. We need to attract players, who as others have said, have not spent years plying their trade in the Championship. We need better than that.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: OCD on May 12, 2016, 02:10:58 PM: We've probably got a fair few young players that we could use and could get the best out of if we sign a few older pro's for key positions to work with them and step in when they're off form. There will be a lot of games so we need a big squad, which with a restricted budget means kids getting chances.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: BegbieAV on May 14, 2016, 09:08:40 PM: Britt Assombalonga from Forest, he seems to have got over his bad knee injury. Big man little man up front with Gestede,with Amavi and Adama giving them the ammunition we would have no problem scoring. I would expect at least 30 between them.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on May 15, 2016, 05:11:30 AM: the problem being that Amavi won't be here a minute longer than he has to, and if we can find a mug punter to pick up Adama's monstrous weekly wedge, neither will he.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: robbo1874 on May 15, 2016, 05:46:08 AM: Quote from: brian green on May 12, 2016, 06:46:45 AM
It's the old Tony Pulis dilemma. Do we prepare for the immediate future and do whatever is needed to get back up or do we take the longer view and regard the main agenda as getting back up and staying up. If it is the Chinese owners I suspect the intense pragmatism they apply to business generally will see them focussing on getting back up and banking the added value before the long term is contemplated.
my view entirely Brian. We need to totally focus on the goal of getting straight back up next season. If we can put some things in place to consolidate in the following few seasons, great. But focus has to be on turning this steaming pile of shit tanker round and climbing back up, first time of asking.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: pbavfckuwait on May 15, 2016, 07:16:49 AM: A good experienced centre half, who is also a leader, tough tackling no nonsense centre midfielder again who is also a leader and a new goalie.
Not sure if he will still be here and also his injury record is awful, but a player I think could have a field day next year goals wise is Kozak, his movement is better than Rudy and I think he has a sharper football brain.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: old man villa fan on May 16, 2016, 05:30:14 PM: Quote from: robbo1874 on May 15, 2016, 05:46:08 AM
Quote from: brian green on May 12, 2016, 06:46:45 AM
It's the old Tony Pulis dilemma. Do we prepare for the immediate future and do whatever is needed to get back up or do we take the longer view and regard the main agenda as getting back up and staying up. If it is the Chinese owners I suspect the intense pragmatism they apply to business generally will see them focussing on getting back up and banking the added value before the long term is contemplated.
my view entirely Brian. We need to totally focus on the goal of getting straight back up next season. If we can put some things in place to consolidate in the following few seasons, great. But focus has to be on turning this steaming pile of shit tanker round and climbing back up, first time of asking.

You need to build a team to get out of the Championship but it must have more than half that will be comfortable back in the PL.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on May 16, 2016, 06:28:11 PM: Quote from: old man villa fan on May 16, 2016, 05:30:14 PM
Quote from: robbo1874 on May 15, 2016, 05:46:08 AM
Quote from: brian green on May 12, 2016, 06:46:45 AM
It's the old Tony Pulis dilemma. Do we prepare for the immediate future and do whatever is needed to get back up or do we take the longer view and regard the main agenda as getting back up and staying up. If it is the Chinese owners I suspect the intense pragmatism they apply to business generally will see them focussing on getting back up and banking the added value before the long term is contemplated.
my view entirely Brian. We need to totally focus on the goal of getting straight back up next season. If we can put some things in place to consolidate in the following few seasons, great. But focus has to be on turning this steaming pile of shit tanker round and climbing back up, first time of asking.

You need to build a team to get out of the Championship but it must have more than half that will be comfortable back in the PL.

I agree with the principle, but I think you're looking at probably 75% of the squad and 8 or 9 out of your first choice 11, otherwise the rebuild is too big and expensive and the alterations to the first 11 too disruptive.

The alternative is to do a Burnley due to lack of quality all round.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: old man villa fan on May 16, 2016, 06:48:27 PM: Quote from: Villa in Denmark on May 16, 2016, 06:28:11 PM
Quote from: old man villa fan on May 16, 2016, 05:30:14 PM
Quote from: robbo1874 on May 15, 2016, 05:46:08 AM
Quote from: brian green on May 12, 2016, 06:46:45 AM
It's the old Tony Pulis dilemma. Do we prepare for the immediate future and do whatever is needed to get back up or do we take the longer view and regard the main agenda as getting back up and staying up. If it is the Chinese owners I suspect the intense pragmatism they apply to business generally will see them focussing on getting back up and banking the added value before the long term is contemplated.
my view entirely Brian. We need to totally focus on the goal of getting straight back up next season. If we can put some things in place to consolidate in the following few seasons, great. But focus has to be on turning this steaming pile of shit tanker round and climbing back up, first time of asking.

You need to build a team to get out of the Championship but it must have more than half that will be comfortable back in the PL.

I agree with the principle, but I think you're looking at probably 75% of the squad and 8 or 9 out of your first choice 11, otherwise the rebuild is too big and expensive and the alterations to the first 11 too disruptive.

The alternative is to do a Burnley due to lack of quality all round.

I was thinking of 6 or 7 so that you could go out and buy the real quality in 3 or 4 players that you would then need in the PL. One of those would definitely be a striker. Wouldn't disagree with the 75% of the squad.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: paul_e on May 16, 2016, 07:15:58 PM: Staying up is all about momentum, and more importantly about keeping the momentum going as long as possible. Most teams start out ok before their results dip and they start to struggle, make too many changes and you put that strong start at risk make too few and it either doesn't happen or the drop off is earlier and deeper. 3-4 starters and 1-2 squad/development players is the right mix for me. This summer the opposite is true to an extent. We need to make major changes because all our momentum is in the wrong direction, adding 6-7 players to the team and 4-5 more to the squad won't do us any harm this summer so long as we get good players and we're following a plan. put those together and I think you're looking at having 8-9 of the current squad still around when we start the 17/18 season. That seems about right to me, even if right now we hate them there are some decent players here if we can get them into a squad with the right attitude and leadership.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ldavfc4eva on May 16, 2016, 07:28:51 PM: I think that's the worrying thing with how Newcastle have finished too Paul, especially if they keep Benitez I think they will carry the momentum into next season and just piss the Championship whilst we will struggle to get started.

Without a positive start we will be fucked next season.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on May 16, 2016, 07:31:40 PM: Sunderland; down on 15 points, lost their first four, got the right manager in and won the league.

The absence of quality in that league is staggering. We have to grasp the opportunity to get it right in year one and new ownership is a must for that otherwise we won't be blending the good players we do have with some quality.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ldavfc4eva on May 16, 2016, 07:37:41 PM: I know that Ads but I really think we need to be galvanised and going for it from the off, we need to sort our shit out and fast now the season is over.

Get a manger in quick and off load the deadwood and start recruiting for next season as soon as we can,

The big plus for Newcastle and Norwich is they can possibly keep there existing managers who know the players they want to keep and who they want to offload, what I don't want is us to wait another month or two to get a a manger only for him to come and then realise half the squad need selling and a load more to be signed as I think we will be left with the likes of Gabby/Guzan/Lescott etc if that happens.

Or God forbid he wants to give some of them another chance.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: paul_e on May 16, 2016, 09:01:49 PM: There's no chance Benitez will stay.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on May 16, 2016, 10:57:12 PM: Quote from: paul_e on May 16, 2016, 09:01:49 PM
There's no chance Benitez will stay.

If we're lucky he'll string them along until July, then suddenly appear in the stipey half of Madrid after Simeone turns up in Manchester after winning Ateltico the big ears cup.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on May 16, 2016, 11:55:59 PM: Quote from: paul_e on May 16, 2016, 09:01:49 PM
There's no chance Benitez will stay.

Can't see it either. He'll have much better offers from across Europe.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 17, 2016, 12:09:37 AM: Quote from: tomd2103 on May 16, 2016, 11:55:59 PM
Quote from: paul_e on May 16, 2016, 09:01:49 PM
There's no chance Benitez will stay.

Can't see it either. He'll have much better offers from across Europe.

I wouldn't write it off as quickly as some seem to be.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on May 17, 2016, 01:30:47 AM: I think he will stay, but end up not actually walking the championship as some believe. They are going to have huge wage issues, and some of their better players will get tapped. Townsend, Wijnaldum, Sissokho, Mitrovic I reckon will go.

Shelvey is a good championship player though.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: villabear on May 17, 2016, 08:00:03 AM: Hemed for Brighton has looked a good player in the games when I've watched them this season.

And the reality has now sunk in as I have now begrudgingly followed the Sky Bet Championship on Twitter (although I could have probably followed in December)
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: paul_e on May 17, 2016, 09:04:11 AM: Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on May 17, 2016, 12:09:37 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on May 16, 2016, 11:55:59 PM
Quote from: paul_e on May 16, 2016, 09:01:49 PM
There's no chance Benitez will stay.

Can't see it either. He'll have much better offers from across Europe.

I wouldn't write it off as quickly as some seem to be.

I suspect Everton at least will want to talk to him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on May 17, 2016, 09:22:03 AM: Quote from: paul_e on May 17, 2016, 09:04:11 AM
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on May 17, 2016, 12:09:37 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on May 16, 2016, 11:55:59 PM
Quote from: paul_e on May 16, 2016, 09:01:49 PM
There's no chance Benitez will stay.

Can't see it either. He'll have much better offers from across Europe.

I wouldn't write it off as quickly as some seem to be.

I suspect Everton at least will want to talk to him.

Should go down well - didn't he call Everton a "small club" when he was at Liverpool. Wound a lot of their fans up at the time.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 17, 2016, 09:33:32 AM: Rafa will stay at Newcastle
Pellergrini will go to Everton.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on May 17, 2016, 09:44:12 AM: Quote from: ozzjim on May 17, 2016, 01:30:47 AM
I think he will stay, but end up not actually walking the championship as some believe. They are going to have huge wage issues, and some of their better players will get tapped. Townsend, Wijnaldum, Sissokho, Mitrovic I reckon will go.

Shelvey is a good championship player though.

It's about Shelvey's level, but £80K per week? Ouch.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on May 17, 2016, 10:41:10 AM: Its about where we need to add and what we can retain.

i'd say definites to stay and who would be good enough for the Championship would be:

Hutton
Clark
Baker
Westwood
Grealish
Gestede

The I'd keep if they'd stay category:

Amavi
Adama
Ayew

Those that may do a job but not sure if I'd bother:

Sanchez
Veretout
Gardner

Those that may be kept but with a raised eyebrow:

Guzan
Lescott
Gabby
Okore (But I'd put him in the below category)
Bacuna

Get Out:

Bunn
Gil
Richards
Cissokho
Sinclair

There are players such as Steer but no idea about him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on May 17, 2016, 10:51:51 AM: I would swap Gil and Sinclair for Gabby and Lescott and move Veretout into the keep pile
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: CJ on May 17, 2016, 10:53:04 AM: Out of that lot peter w, I'd add Gana to the 'good enough for the Championship', I'd move Bunn up to 'good enough for the Championship' as second keeper, Okore up to 'keep if they'd stay', Gil up to 'may do a job', and Guzan, Lescott, Flabby and Bacuna down to 'get out'
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on May 17, 2016, 10:55:10 AM: Gana - knew I'd forget someone
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Monty on May 17, 2016, 10:57:27 AM: I think Gabby, Bacuna and Lescott just cannot stay after all the shit they've pulled this season.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on May 17, 2016, 10:58:52 AM: Quote from: CJ on May 17, 2016, 10:53:04 AM
Out of that lot peter w, I'd add Gana to the 'good enough for the Championship', I'd move Bunn up to 'good enough for the Championship' as second keeper, Okore up to 'keep if they'd stay', Gil up to 'may do a job', and Guzan, Lescott, Flabby and Bacuna down to 'get out'

I'd keep Lescott where Peter has him, Veretout up alongside Amavi et al but otherwise agree with you.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on May 17, 2016, 11:34:49 AM: I think Gana will piss the Championship - he already led the PL in tackles+interceptions in spite of everything, so I'm sure he'll find it easy to break up play a division below. Pretty sure he'll force a move though.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: nigel on May 17, 2016, 12:12:34 PM: Quote from: Monty on May 17, 2016, 10:57:27 AM
I think Gabby, Bacuna and Lescott just cannot stay after all the shit they've pulled this season.

Agree.
Which is a shame for Bacuna, as I think he would have done well in the championship and developed his game.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 17, 2016, 12:33:57 PM: Quote from: nigel on May 17, 2016, 12:12:34 PM
Quote from: Monty on May 17, 2016, 10:57:27 AM
I think Gabby, Bacuna and Lescott just cannot stay after all the shit they've pulled this season.

Agree.
Which is a shame for Bacuna, as I think he would have done well in the championship and developed his game.

*smirks*
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: pbavfckuwait on May 17, 2016, 12:36:53 PM: Nigel not much makes me laugh about the Villa at the moment but your Bacuna comment has brought tears to my eyes, thank you.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on May 17, 2016, 01:28:57 PM: Whoever comes in as owner, and manager, has got to sit down and work out who is going to be a cut above that league and then convince them that staying is in their long term interests. If it meant keeping Amavi and Gana the season after, I would even loan them to top league sides and have them back if we got up.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on May 17, 2016, 01:34:35 PM: Quote from: Monty on May 17, 2016, 10:57:27 AM
I think Gabby, Bacuna and Lescott just cannot stay after all the shit they've pulled this season.

I'd add Guzan and Richards to that list as well.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: paul_e on May 17, 2016, 02:16:04 PM: Quote from: tomd2103 on May 17, 2016, 01:34:35 PM
Quote from: Monty on May 17, 2016, 10:57:27 AM
I think Gabby, Bacuna and Lescott just cannot stay after all the shit they've pulled this season.

I'd add Guzan and Richards to that list as well.

Get rid of those 5 along with nzog leaving and i think we'll have a squad that has far fewer players that the fans just don't like, which should make rebuilding that bridge much simpler.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Hookeysmith on May 17, 2016, 02:43:15 PM: Keep

Gana
Amavi
Baker - back up
Okore
Clark
Lyden
Gardener
Grealish
Bacuna - yes Bacuna
Traore - who I would like to see playing off Gestede as I think he would terrify defences holding a high line
Gestede
Ayew
Vertout
Steer

Buy

Dominant GK
Dominant / Captain Centre Half - we need more of a Teale than we do a Ferdinand
Pacey - out and out winger (If we have Gestede at least make some chances for him)
Goal poacher - Griffiths @ Celtic / McCormack @ Fulham / Billy Sharp

Sell / free / Burn the rest
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on May 17, 2016, 02:59:14 PM: We have two categories of must go players. Those who, for no fault of their own, eg Richardson, Bunn, Bennett are not good enough players, and those like Guzan, Richards, Agbonlahor, Lescott and Bacuna who have to go if the dressing room is ever going to be unified and committed to the club and the cause. IMHO the latter group has no place at the club.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on May 17, 2016, 03:10:47 PM: I disagree that Bacuna needs to go to get a unified dressing room but seeing how the fans have turned on him it may be better for him to leave.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Hookeysmith on May 17, 2016, 03:20:37 PM: Quote from: peter w on May 17, 2016, 03:10:47 PM
I disagree that Bacuna needs to go to get a unified dressing room but seeing how the fans have turned on him it may be better for him to leave.

I certainly do not see him as being a leader of "Cliques" within the dressing room - if anything he comes across as quite a quiet and shy man. He is not the greatest of footballers but he certainly is not the worst at the club and can fill in in a variety of positions.
His biggest "crime" was when being led whilst interviewed into saying that he would like to play in the Champions league - I have not understood why he was made a pariah for that

Oh and the other fact is that he is signed up for the next 3-4 years
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on May 17, 2016, 03:24:19 PM: Agree fully. I've no issue with bacuna and feel for him as he is being slaughtered for nothing really. Being shite isn't his fault also (even if he is better than shite. Just average).
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Gary Penrice on May 17, 2016, 03:49:26 PM: If the "Let's forgive everyone who has been a complete tool" season has begun then I will forgive Gabby,Richards,Lescott,N'Zogbia etc etc....in fact forgive & forget......I forgive every single one of those tossers who took a wage,took the piss & took us down!

Actually,I'll forget we was relegated as well!

Sorted....I feel a whole lot better now!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on May 17, 2016, 04:11:21 PM: Quote from: peter w on May 17, 2016, 03:24:19 PM
Agree fully. I've no issue with bacuna and feel for him as he is being slaughtered for nothing really. Being shite isn't his fault also (even if he is better than shite. Just average).

There was the photo he posted of himself on holiday when we were deep in the mire and then there have been a few spats with fans. I witnessed one at half-time in the Southampton game a few weeks ago, when after playing that terrible ball for their second goal, he decided to give it the old "come on then" gesture to some fans as he was walking off. All that on top of being consistently poor on the pitch.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: HolmesyVilla on May 17, 2016, 04:14:48 PM: Yes, wish I'd seen that Southampton gesture you mention, cos I certainly would have took him up on the offer.
What turned me against him was after the Wycombe game, no shame at all shown.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 17, 2016, 04:42:05 PM: I don't have any issues with Bacuna over the CL thing or any clique stuff. My issue is him being shit. That's why I want him out whether it's his fault or not.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on May 17, 2016, 05:03:33 PM: Bacuna is a clueless cock and most of the squad are knackers, you do realise we won 3 games right? There needs to be a big clear out, it's going to take a couple of years to get the squad fully sorted and the right people in and all the wrong uns out. Baker, Steer, Gardner, they're lower Championship players, they've been doing average in shite teams, not even standing out. Gardner apparently had a great first season at Notts, last season, not so much so. The likes of them aren't going to come in and save us.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: clash city rocker on May 17, 2016, 05:05:08 PM: Well unless we get a new inspector on the bus to throw of the ones without tickets we are going to be stuck with the passenger's who all had a free ride this year. We await 'blakey' ..he'll soon have them off.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on May 17, 2016, 05:16:37 PM: Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on May 17, 2016, 04:42:05 PM
I don't have any issues with Bacuna over the CL thing or any clique stuff. My issue is him being shit. That's why I want him out whether it's his fault or not.

is the correct answer

the fact is he is just a fucking shit footballer. you have a player of his standard and westwood starting regularly and you end up exactly where we are now
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: nigel on May 17, 2016, 10:28:50 PM: Quote from: HolmesyVilla on May 17, 2016, 04:14:48 PM
Yes, wish I'd seen that Southampton gesture you mention, cos I certainly would have took him up on the offer.
What turned me against him was after the Wycombe game, no shame at all shown.

I was sat right by the tunnel when it happened. There were a couple of blokes giving him every expletive going.
Daft thing he did, though, should have just carried on past.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: FatSam on May 19, 2016, 06:42:12 PM: In terms of strikers, I'd like to see us go for this year's equivalent of Andre Gray or Callum Wilson. I don't know enough about the lower divisions to know who this would be, but a pacy young striker who has already proven their goal scoring credentials in the Championship or League One. I appreciate that this is probably too simplistic, but looking at the top scorer tables; Nahki Wells at Huddersfield, William Grigg at Wigan, Nicky Ajose at Swindon, or Sam Winnall at Barnsley seem to fit the bill. It would be good to be able to play in different ways, with the Gestede/ Kozak option also available.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on May 19, 2016, 07:27:29 PM: Kozak is poor so hopefully we can replace him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Monty on May 19, 2016, 07:32:05 PM: Above all we need players who can actually play well together. I know that football is an arcane alchemy whose mysteries are impenetrable to even the wisest, but it surely it doesn't take a genius to see that players who like to press and keep the ball (Veretout, Gana) shouldn't be playing in front of a back four which can't play a high line on account of Lescott's slowness and Richards' stupidity. Some joined-up thinking please.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on May 19, 2016, 07:45:12 PM: Westwood is way better than bacuna
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on May 19, 2016, 07:52:39 PM: Quote from: FatSam on May 19, 2016, 06:42:12 PM
In terms of strikers, I'd like to see us go for this year's equivalent of Andre Gray or Callum Wilson. I don't know enough about the lower divisions to know who this would be, but a pacy young striker who has already proven their goal scoring credentials in the Championship or League One. I appreciate that this is probably too simplistic, but looking at the top scorer tables; Nahki Wells at Huddersfield, William Grigg at Wigan, Nicky Ajose at Swindon, or Sam Winnall at Barnsley seem to fit the bill. It would be good to be able to play in different ways, with the Gestede/ Kozak option also available.

Lee Gregory millwall decent . Either him or win all whichever don't go up
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: paul_e on May 19, 2016, 08:07:55 PM: Quote from: Monty on May 19, 2016, 07:32:05 PM
Above all we need players who can actually play well together. I know that football is an arcane alchemy whose mysteries are impenetrable to even the wisest, but it surely it doesn't take a genius to see that players who like to press and keep the ball (Veretout, Gana) shouldn't be playing in front of a back four which can't play a high line on account of Lescott's slowness and Richards' stupidity. Some joined-up thinking please.

Yep. I'm all for scouts having a broad canvas and presenting lots of options but the difference between a good and bad transfer strategy is being able to pick the right ones to fit together.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on May 20, 2016, 08:26:27 AM: David Forde milwall GK and the Croatian chap after the euros as he's played more games and uk would have opted in after referendum so work permits no issue hopefully
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on May 20, 2016, 08:59:32 AM: Gestede is clearly a proven goal scorer but I'd much prefer an agile and pacy goal getter

McCormack and Dembele both scored a lot last season despite Fulham being shit. Anyone seen much of them?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Big Dick Edwards on May 20, 2016, 09:18:13 AM: Quote from: Matt Collins on May 20, 2016, 08:59:32 AM
Gestede is clearly a proven goal scorer but I'd much prefer an agile and pacy goal getter

McCormack and Dembele both scored a lot last season despite Fulham being shit. Anyone seen much of them?

McCormack is a proven scorer in the Championship. He did the business with Leeds before Fulham paid big money for him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on May 20, 2016, 09:29:03 AM: Any Chinese footballers worth a look ?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on May 20, 2016, 09:30:11 AM: Quote from: Matt Collins on May 20, 2016, 08:59:32 AM
Gestede is clearly a proven goal scorer but I'd much prefer an agile and pacy goal getter

McCormack and Dembele both scored a lot last season despite Fulham being shit. Anyone seen much of them?

I agree Matt. Our movement in the final third has been non-existent for years now (probably since Robbie Keane was on loan) and what we really need is a striker with a bit of pace, who is willing to work hard and stretch teams. I would really like us to sign Dwight Gayle, but not sure that is a possibility. I would use Gestede as an impact sub.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brontebilly on May 20, 2016, 09:42:50 AM: Quote from: footyskillz on May 20, 2016, 08:26:27 AM
David Forde milwall GK and the Croatian chap after the euros as he's played more games and uk would have opted in after referendum so work permits no issue hopefully

david forde is poor, very poor

stay away from championship manager :D

McCormack drops off the main striker quite a bit, like Robbie Keane or similar albeit at a much lower level

surprisingly Rhodes and McCormack struggle to make the Scottish squad despite burning up the championship regularly

we badly need to add some pace up top this summer with Ayew and Gabby likely to be off
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: godzvilla on May 20, 2016, 09:52:48 AM: IMHO....look no further than Britt Assombalonga ( Notts Forest) ..................Godzvilla!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on May 20, 2016, 09:54:36 AM: Granted forde would be back up. 46 plus games a season. Hopefully new manager gets at least 6 or 7 new playerss. A couple of gks wouldn't go amiss. Saw forde as a back up to the Croatian or someone.
By all accounts im all for top chinese players and asia coming in but onky Japanese and south korean are provern within Europe. Likes of okasaki seem both very professional , technical and decent people puts others to shame. Ki sung young is off to military service but this is just a difetent Asian matter. I think Dr Tony wants Chinese market as it's biggest In Asia and what he knows rather than Asian market. In regards to Chinese and top players the most well known are coming to end of career and players are in their super league. I'd expect a few younger and up coming players to try out English league probably brought in and loaned out to Oxford Cambridge York places of diverse culture and history as well as some footy expereince
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: chrisw1 on May 20, 2016, 09:55:10 AM: We need to keep Ayew. And Amavi. That should be Tony's first statement of intent.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on May 20, 2016, 09:57:46 AM: I think it's up to manager who he wants to work with. Grealish is the most important player to be kept. Agbonlahor can be sold for 12-15 million to Chinese super league.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: junxs on May 20, 2016, 10:00:04 AM: Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on May 20, 2016, 09:29:03 AM
Any Chinese footballers worth a look ?

Sun Jihai or Li Tie still playing? thats about all I know!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on May 20, 2016, 10:02:51 AM: Yes as I said these players are in the Chinese super league and coming to career end mid late 30s.
I would think the top ones be developed in Chinese league along with the best players around the world going there but the younger players will come and get the English expereince in academy and loaned to clubs
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 20, 2016, 10:06:11 AM: Striker wise, I'd be looking to loan a player from the Prem. I'm not sure who but I'd initially ask for players like Rashford/Ihenacho but in reality players slightly below that level are more realistic. Hopefully playing 30-40 games will be seen as better for their development than playing in the league cup and a splattering of sub appearances.

keeping Ayew is also a priority as I think he'd be a level above the Championship. Ayew, Gestede and the loan chap should be enough with our on youths being used when possible.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: not3bad on May 20, 2016, 10:12:41 AM: Quote from: chrisw1 on May 20, 2016, 09:55:10 AM
We need to keep Ayew. And Amavi. That should be Tony's first statement of intent.

Pretty confident about keep Amavi as he only played a handful of games before being injured for most of the season, so he will be "under the radar".
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on May 20, 2016, 10:14:09 AM: Quote from: not3bad on May 20, 2016, 10:12:41 AM
Quote from: chrisw1 on May 20, 2016, 09:55:10 AM
We need to keep Ayew. And Amavi. That should be Tony's first statement of intent.

Pretty confident about keep Amavi as he only played a handful of games before being injured for most of the season, so he will be "under the radar".

Still have concerns about his defending and I would like to see him in a more advanced role next season.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 20, 2016, 10:16:57 AM: Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on May 20, 2016, 09:29:03 AM
Any Chinese footballers worth a look ?

The Chinese League requires a minimum number of domestic players per team (and doesn't allow foreign goalkeepers) so all their players are going for stupid money/wages.

Unless the next Messi is lurking there, we'd get better value elsewhere.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: paul_e on May 20, 2016, 11:29:32 AM: For a striker, I think if we can keep Ayew and Gestede they will get a fair few (25-30 easily I'd guess) so we can afford to look for a younger striker who will have a year to settle and work his way into the team before being ready for the premier league. The problem with people like McCormack is they might do a job in the championship but they're just not going to be good enough for the premier league and we already have Gestede for that.

The most important signings for me are a good keeper, a right back who can attack and defend and a centre half with pace and a bit of quality. Get those 3 right and you give yourself a platform to be able to bring in the likes of Traore, Grealish, Gil and Veretout to provide some real creativity. Then we can look at another midfielder to compete with Gana, a striker with some more movement and getting some more goals into the midfield.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: chrisw1 on May 20, 2016, 11:33:05 AM: Quote from: Dante Lavelli on May 20, 2016, 10:06:11 AM
Striker wise, I'd be looking to loan a player from the Prem. I'm not sure who but I'd initially ask for players like Rashford/Ihenacho but in reality players slightly below that level are more realistic. Hopefully playing 30-40 games will be seen as better for their development than playing in the league cup and a splattering of sub appearances.

keeping Ayew is also a priority as I think he'd be a level above the Championship. Ayew, Gestede and the loan chap should be enough with our on youths being used when possible.

Yes he is. But he has a contract and if we have the ambition then we should ask for another year out of him. Unless we get very strong offers.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: paul_e on May 20, 2016, 11:43:27 AM: I 'd hope that we'll meet with all the players we'd like to keep over the next month or so and offer them a big bonus to stay and get us back up. They're all young enough that giving us that season won't mean they never get another chance and if the ambition is matched by funds and commitment from management they may realise that hanging around for now might give them a chance of 'getting in at the ground floor'.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on May 20, 2016, 07:34:51 PM: Would love to keep Ayew. Get good pros around him and decent players, and he'll tear up the championship. I hope with new ownership sorted, and the promise of spending money that we could persuade 1-2 to stay.
Gana is worth keeping but I'm not sure he cares enough.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Mister E on May 20, 2016, 07:47:29 PM: Quote from: paul_e on May 20, 2016, 11:29:32 AM
For a striker, I think if we can keep Ayew and Gestede they will get a fair few (25-30 easily I'd guess) so we can afford to look for a younger striker who will have a year to settle and work his way into the team before being ready for the premier league. The problem with people like McCormack is they might do a job in the championship but they're just not going to be good enough for the premier league and we already have Gestede for that.

Do Robinson, Davis and Sellars qualify?
I liked the way that recent press comments from Xia particularly pointed at the Academy as a source of potential squad recruits.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on May 20, 2016, 07:49:52 PM: Quote from: Mister E on May 20, 2016, 07:47:29 PM
Quote from: paul_e on May 20, 2016, 11:29:32 AM
For a striker, I think if we can keep Ayew and Gestede they will get a fair few (25-30 easily I'd guess) so we can afford to look for a younger striker who will have a year to settle and work his way into the team before being ready for the premier league. The problem with people like McCormack is they might do a job in the championship but they're just not going to be good enough for the premier league and we already have Gestede for that.

Do Robinson, Davis and Sellars qualify?
I liked the way that recent press comments from Xia particularly pointed at the Academy as a source of potential squad recruits.
Robinson is out of contract I believe. I wouldn't expect him to get a renewal.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ian. on May 20, 2016, 07:58:50 PM: If we're a little well off now how about a Bid for the Beast?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on May 20, 2016, 08:04:03 PM: Quote from: Ian J on May 20, 2016, 07:58:50 PM
If we're a little well off now how about a Bid for the Beast?
Maybe next year. But why not? I'd love to have him back.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on May 20, 2016, 08:10:47 PM: Lee Gregory is decent at millwall. I mentioned him in other matches thread. He's got vardy like spirit playing from non league think he would thrive with gestede. He plays well with Morrison in milwall team and scored a fair few goals this season
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: paul_e on May 20, 2016, 08:11:54 PM: Quote from: Mister E on May 20, 2016, 07:47:29 PM
Quote from: paul_e on May 20, 2016, 11:29:32 AM
For a striker, I think if we can keep Ayew and Gestede they will get a fair few (25-30 easily I'd guess) so we can afford to look for a younger striker who will have a year to settle and work his way into the team before being ready for the premier league. The problem with people like McCormack is they might do a job in the championship but they're just not going to be good enough for the premier league and we already have Gestede for that.

Do Robinson, Davis and Sellars qualify?
I liked the way that recent press comments from Xia particularly pointed at the Academy as a source of potential squad recruits.

Robinson - not sure he'll be here.
Davis (and Hepburn-Murphy) - both a bit young but would give them some cameos.
Sellars - might be worth looking at for the 4th striker.

For 3rd I was was thinking more like we look at someone who has played a season or 2 and has a good scoring record.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on May 20, 2016, 08:21:24 PM: Lee Gregory just scored -again. Very decent player.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: OCD on May 20, 2016, 09:07:01 PM: Quote from: supertom on May 20, 2016, 08:04:03 PM
Quote from: Ian J on May 20, 2016, 07:58:50 PM
If we're a little well off now how about a Bid for the Beast?
Maybe next year. But why not? I'd love to have him back.

An expensive loan deal for a year with a buy option if we're promoted. Something like £5m for the loan and £27m to complete the deal a year later? Surely Liverpool would bite our hands off for that and then Benteke just needs to be convinced of the owner's ambition.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Stirchley Villain on May 20, 2016, 09:10:01 PM: Quote from: OCD on May 20, 2016, 09:07:01 PM
Quote from: supertom on May 20, 2016, 08:04:03 PM
Quote from: Ian J on May 20, 2016, 07:58:50 PM
If we're a little well off now how about a Bid for the Beast?
Maybe next year. But why not? I'd love to have him back.

An expensive loan deal for a year with a buy option if we're promoted. Something like £5m for the loan and £27m to complete the deal a year later? Surely Liverpool would bite our hands off for that and then Benteke just needs to be convinced of the owner's ambition.

Daddy's not coming home children. Time to move on...
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Exeter 77 on May 20, 2016, 09:11:00 PM: Quote from: OCD on May 20, 2016, 09:07:01 PM
Quote from: supertom on May 20, 2016, 08:04:03 PM
Quote from: Ian J on May 20, 2016, 07:58:50 PM
If we're a little well off now how about a Bid for the Beast?
Maybe next year. But why not? I'd love to have him back.

An expensive loan deal for a year with a buy option if we're promoted. Something like £5m for the loan and £27m to complete the deal a year later? Surely Liverpool would bite our hands off for that and then Benteke just needs to be convinced of the owner's ambition.
I wonder how the payments of his transfer are structured and how much Liverpool still owe us.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: OCD on May 20, 2016, 09:15:05 PM: Quote from: Stirchley Villain on May 20, 2016, 09:10:01 PM
Quote from: OCD on May 20, 2016, 09:07:01 PM
Quote from: supertom on May 20, 2016, 08:04:03 PM
Quote from: Ian J on May 20, 2016, 07:58:50 PM
If we're a little well off now how about a Bid for the Beast?
Maybe next year. But why not? I'd love to have him back.

An expensive loan deal for a year with a buy option if we're promoted. Something like £5m for the loan and £27m to complete the deal a year later? Surely Liverpool would bite our hands off for that and then Benteke just needs to be convinced of the owner's ambition.

Daddy's not coming home children. Time to move on...

The money could probably be used better anyway.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: OCD on May 20, 2016, 09:16:02 PM: Quote from: Exeter 77 on May 20, 2016, 09:11:00 PM
Quote from: OCD on May 20, 2016, 09:07:01 PM
Quote from: supertom on May 20, 2016, 08:04:03 PM
Quote from: Ian J on May 20, 2016, 07:58:50 PM
If we're a little well off now how about a Bid for the Beast?
Maybe next year. But why not? I'd love to have him back.

An expensive loan deal for a year with a buy option if we're promoted. Something like £5m for the loan and £27m to complete the deal a year later? Surely Liverpool would bite our hands off for that and then Benteke just needs to be convinced of the owner's ambition.
I wonder how the payments of his transfer are structured and how much Liverpool still owe us.

Premier League deals are normally 50% up front and 50% in the second year if I'm remembering correctly.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 20, 2016, 10:12:45 PM: The difficulty would be convincing Benteke to drop a league, not Liverpool's willingness to sell..
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on May 21, 2016, 05:14:59 AM: I love the man but are we all suffering from collective amnesia? The guy spent his entire career at Villa trying to leave! He's never coming back.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on May 21, 2016, 06:05:24 AM: Is this a serous debate? Benteke? Jeez
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: HolmesyVilla on May 21, 2016, 09:44:03 AM: Quote from: Matt Collins on May 21, 2016, 06:05:24 AM
Is this a serous debate? Benteke? Jeez

Oh a mass debate on benteke, the guy left us so forget about him. He knew he was worshipped here and still left, him amongst others.
Don't we have enough mercenaries in our club that need to go already?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: The Man With A Stick on May 21, 2016, 09:57:03 AM: Benteke will get far better offers than a year or two I the championship. I'm convinced he'll end up at West Ham, for some reason.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on May 21, 2016, 09:59:27 AM: Quote from: paul_e on May 20, 2016, 11:29:32 AM
For a striker, I think if we can keep Ayew and Gestede they will get a fair few (25-30 easily I'd guess) so we can afford to look for a younger striker who will have a year to settle and work his way into the team before being ready for the premier league. The problem with people like McCormack is they might do a job in the championship but they're just not going to be good enough for the premier league and we already have Gestede for that.

The most important signings for me are a good keeper, a right back who can attack and defend and a centre half with pace and a bit of quality. Get those 3 right and you give yourself a platform to be able to bring in the likes of Traore, Grealish, Gil and Veretout to provide some real creativity. Then we can look at another midfielder to compete with Gana, a striker with some more movement and getting some more goals into the midfield.

I agree with that Paul, but if we can keep Gana then I would have two midfielders sitting in front of the defence, allowing four attacking to have a bit if freedom. Gardner coming good would be a massive help and Veretout could play there as well. I would like to see a bit of experience in there though who could just sit in and dictate things. I know he's not everyone's cup if team but I really think Charlie Adam would be a very good signing for us next season.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on May 21, 2016, 10:05:29 AM: Yes Gestede will score in the Championship as he has proved in the past. Ayew will score in any division. What we really need is a winger to provide crosses for both. Gueye will put in a shift without adding goals to his hard work....just like Delph.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on May 21, 2016, 10:10:30 AM: I suggested Danny Ings a while back. It's possible he might not be in Klopps plans and they might loan him out for a season.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on May 21, 2016, 10:21:01 AM: Enough of this Benteke chatter, when's Milner coming back ? ;)
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Richard on May 21, 2016, 10:22:32 AM: Ings is more likely to be loaned back to Burnley. Does anyone know much about the lad at Walsall ? Bradshaw I think. Others I'd be looking at include Wells (Huddersfield) and surely a midfielder from anywhere who can score goals !
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on May 21, 2016, 10:29:14 AM: Quote from: Richard on May 21, 2016, 10:22:32 AM
Ings is more likely to be loaned back to Burnley. Does anyone know much about the lad at Walsall ? Bradshaw I think. Others I'd be looking at include Wells (Huddersfield) and surely a midfielder from anywhere who can score goals !

I'd be looking at Wells as well. He was a handful when he played against us for Bradford and scored a few for Huddersfield this season.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ian. on May 21, 2016, 10:35:54 AM: Quote from: UK Redsox on May 21, 2016, 10:21:01 AM
Enough of this Benteke chatter, when's Milner coming back ? ;)
He's waiting for a ride with Barry. Car sharing and caring for the environment, good eggs that they are.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on May 21, 2016, 10:50:07 AM: Quote from: Clampy on May 21, 2016, 10:10:30 AM
I suggested Danny Ings a while back. It's possible he might not be in Klopps plans and they might loan him out for a season.

That is a good idea.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on May 21, 2016, 12:47:56 PM: Good shout, Ings will want a season of getting fit. If they put in a must be played if fit type clause, would help Liverpool out too.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KevinGage on May 21, 2016, 01:01:25 PM: Quote from: Clampy on May 21, 2016, 10:10:30 AM
I suggested Danny Ings a while back. It's possible he might not be in Klopps plans and they might loan him out for a season.

He'll have plenty of takers in the topflight if Liverpool do decide to get rid. I think he's the sort of busy, energetic player Klopp will like anyroad. Not necessarily a guaranteed starter, but will feature in plenty of games.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on May 21, 2016, 01:03:25 PM: I'd imagine he would get a berth at a PL team if they were to loan him out. It's the younger, unproven players who tend to end up in D1.

Blimey, it's bought it all home typing that. Reserves from our recent peers will turn their nose up at us.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on May 21, 2016, 01:22:07 PM: I'd like to see us sign a couple of players that would be top drawer in the Championship but still do a job when (I'm feeling positive) we go up. Joey Barton, Charlie Adam, Nathan Redmond, Danny Ings have all done really well at that level, and not bad in the Prem.

I'd also like to see us buy a couple of up and comers from the lower leagues. No idea who, but Vardy worked out well for Leicester, Platt and Teale worked out well for us, Stuart Pearce Vinnie Jones etc. We need to unearth a couple of hard working Gems.

Then one or two players that are really good at Championship level but may or may not hack it a level up. Jordan Rhodes, Ross McCormack type players.

Round it off with a couple of foreign players I have never heard of, and I'll be happy.

Do that and we will go up no problem. I would keep Sinclair and Gestede who will do well at the level when they regain confidence. I would keep Gardner, Baker, Steer, and Clark all of which will be good enough for a squad place at that level.

Gabby, Richardson, NZogbia, Richards an Lescott all need to go.

Adama, Gana, Vertout, Ayew and Amavi I would try again with (if they stay).

Sanchez will probably be a good player at that level, and even Westwood will do a job.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on May 21, 2016, 07:37:23 PM: I know mouths might water at the prospect of a 50 million transfer kitty but I don't want us to be spunking money willy nilly. I think Warnock had it right when he said that you don't need to spend huge to do well in the championship, and actually a lot of teams who do spend a lot actually tend to underwhelm (Fulham for one).What is more important is getting the right sort of characters in your side. People who will give it 110%. If you're gonna spend big, the best thing to do is save that for buying a striker who can all but garauntee you 20 goals.

I would say 20-30 max will see us right. You don't want to throw out Premiership money and end up with mercs who won't care and just want an easy ride. We need graft, desire and players who buy into the project we've got going. We need a mix of players who can perform at that level but may not fancy the chances of automatic promotion at their current club (Judge?) and players who have something to prove who are struggling to get games in the top flight (not for the lack of ability....Nathan Dyer?). Then 1-2 older heads with a couple of good years and good attitudes who could offer something to us (Osman).
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SheffieldVillain on May 21, 2016, 07:46:57 PM: Quote from: supertom on May 21, 2016, 07:37:23 PM
I know mouths might water at the prospect of a 50 million transfer kitty but I don't want us to be spunking money willy nilly. I think Warnock had it right when he said that you don't need to spend huge to do well in the championship, and actually a lot of teams who do spend a lot actually tend to underwhelm (Fulham for one).What is more important is getting the right sort of characters in your side. People who will give it 110%. If you're gonna spend big, the best thing to do is save that for buying a striker who can all but garauntee you 20 goals.

Agree with all of that. I think it's just as important who we get rid of as who we sign, if not more. If we keep the likes of Richards, Lescott and Gabby it doesn't matter who is signed because the atmosphere will still be terrible.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KevinGage on May 21, 2016, 10:23:26 PM: Quote from: supertom on May 21, 2016, 07:37:23 PM
I know mouths might water at the prospect of a 50 million transfer kitty but I don't want us to be spunking money willy nilly. I think Warnock had it right when he said that you don't need to spend huge to do well in the championship, and actually a lot of teams who do spend a lot actually tend to underwhelm (Fulham for one).What is more important is getting the right sort of characters in your side. People who will give it 110%. If you're gonna spend big, the best thing to do is save that for buying a striker who can all but garauntee you 20 goals.

I would say 20-30 max will see us right. You don't want to throw out Premiership money and end up with mercs who won't care and just want an easy ride. We need graft, desire and players who buy into the project we've got going. We need a mix of players who can perform at that level but may not fancy the chances of automatic promotion at their current club (Judge?) and players who have something to prove who are struggling to get games in the top flight (not for the lack of ability....Nathan Dyer?). Then 1-2 older heads with a couple of good years and good attitudes who could offer something to us (Osman).

Agree with a fair bit of that.

Always been impressed with Osman.

Players like Glen Whelan and Guedioura at Watford might be borderline good enough for the PL, but too good for the Championship. Not the sort to set the pulses racing, but would be an instant upgrade on Westwood (not hard).

That is the sort we should be targeting. And persuading some of the better lot to give us at least a season.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt C on May 21, 2016, 10:49:09 PM: Quote from: KevinGage on May 21, 2016, 01:01:25 PM
Quote from: Clampy on May 21, 2016, 10:10:30 AM
I suggested Danny Ings a while back. It's possible he might not be in Klopps plans and they might loan him out for a season.

He'll have plenty of takers in the topflight if Liverpool do decide to get rid. I think he's the sort of busy, energetic player Klopp will like anyroad. Not necessarily a guaranteed starter, but will feature in plenty of games.

Back to Burnley for a year.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Monty on May 21, 2016, 10:50:53 PM: I agree on Ings, would love to have him at the Villa but he's done his time in the lower divisions and will want to stay at the top now.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Stirchley Villain on May 21, 2016, 11:28:05 PM: We need the new Ings not the old one.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brontebilly on May 21, 2016, 11:37:28 PM: jay rodriguez on a season long loan

dont think Koeman is overly keen on Charlie Austin either
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SheffieldVillain on May 21, 2016, 11:39:30 PM: Worth looking at Patrick Bamford again? His career seems to have stalled somewhat.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: OCD on May 21, 2016, 11:44:28 PM: Quote from: brontebilly on May 21, 2016, 11:37:28 PM
jay rodriguez on a season long loan

dont think Koeman is overly keen on Charlie Austin either
Quote from: brontebilly on May 21, 2016, 11:37:28 PM
jay rodriguez on a season long loan

dont think Koeman is overly keen on Charlie Austin either

I had forgotten about Rodriguez.

If Koeman isn't overly keen, why did he buy him?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brontebilly on May 21, 2016, 11:51:05 PM: Quote from: OCD on May 21, 2016, 11:44:28 PM
Quote from: brontebilly on May 21, 2016, 11:37:28 PM
jay rodriguez on a season long loan

dont think Koeman is overly keen on Charlie Austin either
Quote from: brontebilly on May 21, 2016, 11:37:28 PM
jay rodriguez on a season long loan

dont think Koeman is overly keen on Charlie Austin either

I had forgotten about Rodriguez.

If Koeman isn't overly keen, why did he buy him?

there was talk Pelle was off in Jan wasnt there, board signing I expect for low risk/fee

Austin doesnt fit at all with the mobile front players they have Long, Mane, Tadic etc

Ideal for Pardew's mob maybe
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 21, 2016, 11:53:48 PM: Quote from: SheffieldVillain on May 21, 2016, 11:39:30 PM
Worth looking at Patrick Bamford again? His career seems to have stalled somewhat.

He should be a serious target.

Can score 20 goals down there with his eyes closed.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 21, 2016, 11:54:33 PM: Quote from: SheffieldVillain on May 21, 2016, 11:39:30 PM
Worth looking at Patrick Bamford again? His career seems to have stalled somewhat.

His career seems to stall wherever he's gone recently. Makes you wonder if he's all he's alleged to be. I'd sooner get someone more established and then bring through the likes of Green, Robinson or Hepburn-Murphy
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on May 21, 2016, 11:57:09 PM: Bamford should be top of our list. I would have that Loftus Cheek on loan from Chelsea happily too. Sinclair on a bosman from Liverpool will score at that level too i reckon and be good enough to do it in the premiership. Edit and we will find out as he has signed for Watford. Without them even having a manager in place at the time. Odd.

Defence is my worry. Getting a solid back 4 and keeper together. Clark having a reported 5m release clause won't help with that.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on May 22, 2016, 02:35:30 AM: Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 21, 2016, 11:54:33 PM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on May 21, 2016, 11:39:30 PM
Worth looking at Patrick Bamford again? His career seems to have stalled somewhat.

His career seems to stall wherever he's gone recently. Makes you wonder if he's all he's alleged to be. I'd sooner get someone more established and then bring through the likes of Green, Robinson or Hepburn-Murphy

Surely Boro will go back in for him now that they're back in the PL.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ldavfc4eva on May 22, 2016, 08:10:18 AM: Quite liked the look of Bradshaw and Henry the other night playing for Walsall, couple of development players for the squad, although we need some experienced heads to come in too.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on May 22, 2016, 09:53:15 AM: Quote from: ozzjim on May 21, 2016, 11:57:09 PM
Bamford should be top of our list. I would have that Loftus Cheek on loan from Chelsea happily too. Sinclair on a bosman from Liverpool will score at that level too i reckon and be good enough to do it in the premiership. Edit and we will find out as he has signed for Watford. Without them even having a manager in place at the time. Odd.

Defence is my worry. Getting a solid back 4 and keeper together. Clark having a reported 5m release clause won't help with that.

Clark for five mill? Happily do that deal. Other than Amavi and Okore, the rest can go. I think I read yesterday that Sinclair has left Liverpool and signed a four year deal but can't remember where or who he joined. Agree on Bamford.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Richie on May 22, 2016, 10:29:46 AM: I watched a bit of the Scottish Cup Final yesterday. I reckon Anthony Stokes who is on loan to Hibs from Celtic would get us 20 plus in the Championship.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on May 22, 2016, 10:52:07 AM: Quote from: Richie on May 22, 2016, 10:29:46 AM
I watched a bit of the Scottish Cup Final yesterday. I reckon Anthony Stokes who is on loan to Hibs from Celtic would get us 20 plus in the Championship.

Six goals in seventy three matches south of the border suggests that he might be better suited to staying in Scotland.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 22, 2016, 10:53:00 AM: Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 21, 2016, 11:54:33 PM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on May 21, 2016, 11:39:30 PM
Worth looking at Patrick Bamford again? His career seems to have stalled somewhat.

His career seems to stall wherever he's gone recently. Makes you wonder if he's all he's alleged to be. I'd sooner get someone more established and then bring through the likes of Green, Robinson or Hepburn-Murphy

He had a very good season at Boro not so long ago and was also pretty good for Derby. He is a proper player in the championship even if it hasn't really worked out for him in the prem.

Bamford.
James Morrison,
Charlie Adam.

Let's start with those three, we'd look in decent nick as Morrison and Adam are those strange central midfielders who can actually score a goal or two.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 22, 2016, 10:56:04 AM: Quote from: ozzjim on May 21, 2016, 11:57:09 PM
Bamford should be top of our list. I would have that Loftus Cheek on loan from Chelsea happily too. Sinclair on a bosman from Liverpool will score at that level too i reckon and be good enough to do it in the premiership. Edit and we will find out as he has signed for Watford. Without them even having a manager in place at the time. Odd.

Defence is my worry. Getting a solid back 4 and keeper together. Clark having a reported 5m release clause won't help with that.

Clark is a very mediocre CB. Can't really run fast, average with the ball, dosen't really track runners in the 6 yard box, average in the air and we've seen him frequently get out-muscled by physical forwards of which there are a lot down there.

I'd get shot of him personally. Likes of him and Westwood playing 100 odd games for us over last 5 years sum up the declining standards of this club.

5m would be an amazing price for him. I'd rather get Okore back onside and keep him and Baker will be fine as back up.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on May 22, 2016, 11:03:46 AM: agreed but Okore has got legs of glass
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on May 22, 2016, 11:11:12 AM: Quote from: Newby on May 22, 2016, 09:53:15 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 21, 2016, 11:57:09 PM
Bamford should be top of our list. I would have that Loftus Cheek on loan from Chelsea happily too. Sinclair on a bosman from Liverpool will score at that level too i reckon and be good enough to do it in the premiership. Edit and we will find out as he has signed for Watford. Without them even having a manager in place at the time. Odd.

Defence is my worry. Getting a solid back 4 and keeper together. Clark having a reported 5m release clause won't help with that.

Clark for five mill? Happily do that deal. Other than Amavi and Okore, the rest can go. I think I read yesterday that Sinclair has left Liverpool and signed a four year deal but can't remember where or who he joined. Agree on Bamford.

I'd get rid of Okore too and play Amavi left midfield if he'll stay. I think we need to literally start again with the defence.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on May 22, 2016, 11:18:07 AM: £5m for Clark..... It's like when you hear about random Brazilian players with £100m release clauses.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KevinGage on May 22, 2016, 11:21:13 AM: Quote from: SoccerHQ on May 22, 2016, 10:56:04 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 21, 2016, 11:57:09 PM
Bamford should be top of our list. I would have that Loftus Cheek on loan from Chelsea happily too. Sinclair on a bosman from Liverpool will score at that level too i reckon and be good enough to do it in the premiership. Edit and we will find out as he has signed for Watford. Without them even having a manager in place at the time. Odd.

Defence is my worry. Getting a solid back 4 and keeper together. Clark having a reported 5m release clause won't help with that.

I'd get shot of him personally. Likes of him and Westwood playing 100 odd games for us over last 5 years sum up the declining standards of this club.

I'd say that applies more to Westwood and Hutton TBH. Westwood is coming up to four years at the club, Hutton five. Normally, for any player to spend that length of time at a club they would need to be key players. They are both dire, certainly at Prem level, and have been over a long period of time.

Clark's game looks like it has been coming together at various times and then injury or change of personnel has disrupted him. We looked more vulnerable at the back when he was out of the side in the second half of the 2014/15 season.

I'd persist with him a while yet. But if we are having the same conversations about him after 6-9 months in the Championship, it might be best allround if he moves on.

Euro 16 between now and then might complicate things somewhat. A decent showing there and there might bids from a few clubs in the lower half of the topflight.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on May 22, 2016, 12:38:32 PM: Quote from: SoccerHQ on May 22, 2016, 10:56:04 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 21, 2016, 11:57:09 PM
Bamford should be top of our list. I would have that Loftus Cheek on loan from Chelsea happily too. Sinclair on a bosman from Liverpool will score at that level too i reckon and be good enough to do it in the premiership. Edit and we will find out as he has signed for Watford. Without them even having a manager in place at the time. Odd.

Defence is my worry. Getting a solid back 4 and keeper together. Clark having a reported 5m release clause won't help with that.

Clark is a very mediocre CB. Can't really run fast, average with the ball, dosen't really track runners in the 6 yard box, average in the air and we've seen him frequently get out-muscled by physical forwards of which there are a lot down there.

I'd get shot of him personally. Likes of him and Westwood playing 100 odd games for us over last 5 years sum up the declining standards of this club.

5m would be an amazing price for him. I'd rather get Okore back onside and keep him and Baker will be fine as back up.

One paper today have Albion interested in Clark and willing to activate the release clause. If true, I'd maybe look at trying to work a swap deal with James Chester. Good CB who is being ruined by Pulis trying to convert him to a RB.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 22, 2016, 01:07:46 PM: Anthony Stokes is absolutely terrible.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on May 22, 2016, 01:15:29 PM: Quote from: SoccerHQ on May 21, 2016, 11:53:48 PM
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on May 21, 2016, 11:39:30 PM
Worth looking at Patrick Bamford again? His career seems to have stalled somewhat.

He should be a serious target.

Can score 20 goals down there with his eyes closed.

Yep and although he might not be a Premier League quality (not really been given a run of games to prove that yet) a season like that in the Championship would mean he would retain his value if things didn't work out the following season.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 22, 2016, 01:25:03 PM: With some careful planning I reckon 5 permanent players supplemented with a couple of loans could sort us out.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on May 22, 2016, 01:51:01 PM: Quote from: mr underhill on May 22, 2016, 11:03:46 AM
agreed but Okore has got legs of glass

How do you work that out?
1 ACL injury.
1 Op to clear up scar tissue from the ACL repair, made more complicated by playing when he shouldn't have after we'd run out of fit centre backs.
1 niggle last season.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on May 22, 2016, 02:44:43 PM: it was figurative - but he is fragile and 38 appearances in three years confirms that.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Mister E on May 22, 2016, 04:52:02 PM: Not convinced by Bamford.
Would C Adam be really motivated, as he moves into the end-phase of his career?
C Clark - if he has a good Euros, he'll be on his way, whether you like him or not. My view is that he's worth sticking with, as long as we find the right partner for him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on May 22, 2016, 05:01:48 PM: If it's Moyes someone like Osman cheaply to show the others what hard work means would be likely i reckon. Distin on a free at the back might be worth doing too. Howe said he was amazed at how fit he was for his age.

Keeper, leader at back, 2 midfielders and some pace up front are musts.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 22, 2016, 05:05:09 PM: We need some proper leaders. I don't know how serious Stan is, but I'd get Barry back. A proper captain and despite all that went on still loves the club.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Mister E on May 22, 2016, 05:05:45 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on May 22, 2016, 05:01:48 PM
If it's Moyes someone like Osman cheaply to show the others what hard work means would be likely i reckon. Distin on a free at the back might be worth doing too. Howe said he was amazed at how fit he was for his age.

Keeper, leader at back, 2 midfielders and some pace up front are musts.
Pace: Ayew, Green and Hepburn all have pace.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: nodge on May 22, 2016, 05:39:59 PM: Will Grigg needs to come home, he's Villa and we can steal that chant. Haven't got a clue if he's any good.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on May 22, 2016, 05:54:41 PM: Quote from: Mister E on May 22, 2016, 05:05:45 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 22, 2016, 05:01:48 PM
If it's Moyes someone like Osman cheaply to show the others what hard work means would be likely i reckon. Distin on a free at the back might be worth doing too. Howe said he was amazed at how fit he was for his age.

Keeper, leader at back, 2 midfielders and some pace up front are musts.
Pace: Ayew, Green and Hepburn all have pace.

That Traore fella ain't too slow either!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: OCD on May 22, 2016, 06:52:17 PM: Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 22, 2016, 05:05:09 PM
We need some proper leaders. I don't know how serious Stan is, but I'd get Barry back. A proper captain and despite all that went on still loves the club.

He's just been named as Everton's player of the year - it's not likely they would let him leave and if they did, I would be amazed if other Premier League clubs didn't show an interest.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Lastfootstamper on May 22, 2016, 07:09:07 PM: Quote from: OCD on May 22, 2016, 06:52:17 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 22, 2016, 05:05:09 PM
We need some proper leaders. I don't know how serious Stan is, but I'd get Barry back. A proper captain and despite all that went on still loves the club.

He's just been named as Everton's player of the year - it's not likely they would let him leave and if they did, I would be amazed if other Premier League clubs didn't show an interest.

I get what you're saying, but I can't help thinking we might've moved the goalposts a bit now. What have we got to lose? SGT did it with Sid.....
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on May 22, 2016, 07:26:06 PM: Quote from: Lastfootstamper on May 22, 2016, 07:09:07 PM
Quote from: OCD on May 22, 2016, 06:52:17 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 22, 2016, 05:05:09 PM
We need some proper leaders. I don't know how serious Stan is, but I'd get Barry back. A proper captain and despite all that went on still loves the club.

He's just been named as Everton's player of the year - it's not likely they would let him leave and if they did, I would be amazed if other Premier League clubs didn't show an interest.

I get what you're saying, but I can't help thinking we might've moved the goalposts a bit now. What have we got to lose? SGT did it with Sid.....
Much depends on their next manager and whether they want to refresh the midfield. If we really do have the financial clout Tony is promising, and Gareth Barry does become surplus there, I reckon we could tempt him back.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brontebilly on May 22, 2016, 07:42:08 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on May 22, 2016, 01:07:46 PM
Anthony Stokes is absolutely terrible.

Complete waster, would fit in well with Gabby and the likes for his "commitment" to his profession
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on May 22, 2016, 07:56:49 PM: Quote from: Mister E on May 22, 2016, 05:05:45 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on May 22, 2016, 05:01:48 PM
If it's Moyes someone like Osman cheaply to show the others what hard work means would be likely i reckon. Distin on a free at the back might be worth doing too. Howe said he was amazed at how fit he was for his age.

Keeper, leader at back, 2 midfielders and some pace up front are musts.
Pace: Ayew, Green and Hepburn all have pace.

Alternately, Gil, Gestede, Grealish and Kozak haven't.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr woo on May 22, 2016, 08:45:43 PM: No question we need to rebuild the spine of the side. How do you do that reallistically in the Championship?

GK - ? Not sure. The guy we were after in Jan sounds viable but I've not seen him play. Other possibilities? Depends on how much we have to spend, I don't rate Bunn or Guzan.

CD - I'd give Vlaar a contract , surely a step back up from where he is - I dont think our demise without him this year was a co-incidence. Pair him with Baker who now has experience.

CM - Scott Brown from Celtic? does everything Westwood does but can win the ball as well. Could we get Craig Gardner back on the promise we pair him with his brother? Both capable at this level. Both have a determination and local pride that I think may be important. (fuck the bluenose thing).
Who knows whether Petrov is seriously looking at a comebackback. Premier League? No chance. Championship level, short term pay as you play deal? Wheres the harm.

CF-- I watched the HK 7s and Rushian HepburnMurphy looks to have real potential. Could be too early for him though.

Would like Ayew to stay.
Gabby and Gestede can go. I reckon Kozak if fit would get 10-15 goals at that level, so I'd keep him.

If not, as I've been saying all season, our best attacker potentially is Adama. I would play him centrally, makes defenders scared every time he gets the ball. He's a great finisher and I feel he's wasted out wide. Thats if he stays- or we can afford him to stay.

Add Grealish , Gil, Sanchez, Hutton (dont worry he'll cope) Amavi (again -if) Thats a team capable of promotion easily, and I've barely spent a penny.

Just imagine what else could be added with Moyes and 40-50 million pounds.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 22, 2016, 08:47:56 PM: Vlaar can fuck off.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr woo on May 22, 2016, 08:51:22 PM: Quote from: cdbullyweefan on May 22, 2016, 08:47:56 PM
Vlaar can fuck off.

So you think we improved since he left?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on May 22, 2016, 08:55:23 PM: Quote from: mr woo on May 22, 2016, 08:51:22 PM
Quote from: cdbullyweefan on May 22, 2016, 08:47:56 PM
Vlaar can fuck off.

So you think we improved since he left?
He's still not good enough and there's no point having a player who'll manage 20 games tops. Vlaar was as bad last season as Lescott has been this. We might as well keep Joleon.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 22, 2016, 08:57:01 PM: Quote from: mr woo on May 22, 2016, 08:51:22 PM
Quote from: cdbullyweefan on May 22, 2016, 08:47:56 PM
Vlaar can fuck off.

So you think we improved since he left?

No. We've got worse since Downing left but I wouldn't have him back either.

For a defender we need a leader. Not someone who turns up with a note from his mum every time he has a chipped toenail and who has ideas above his station.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on May 22, 2016, 09:03:21 PM: Quote from: cdbullyweefan on May 22, 2016, 08:57:01 PM
Quote from: mr woo on May 22, 2016, 08:51:22 PM
Quote from: cdbullyweefan on May 22, 2016, 08:47:56 PM
Vlaar can fuck off.

So you think we improved since he left?

No. We've got worse since Downing left but I wouldn't have him back either.

For a defender we need a leader. Not someone who turns up with a note from his mum every time he has a chipped toenail and who has ideas above his station.
I htink it was against Southampton last season. Last minute and Vlaar got absolutely roasted. That was a signal, as bad as I've seen from Lescott this whole season (and we've seen a lot of examples) that his legs were turning to dust. He was/is utterly wrecked.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on May 22, 2016, 09:42:24 PM: Quote from: supertom on May 22, 2016, 08:55:23 PM
Quote from: mr woo on May 22, 2016, 08:51:22 PM
Quote from: cdbullyweefan on May 22, 2016, 08:47:56 PM
Vlaar can fuck off.

So you think we improved since he left?
He's still not good enough and there's no point having a player who'll manage 20 games tops. Vlaar was as bad last season as Lescott has been this. We might as well keep Joleon.

One of the things we need to be working towards is having a regular keeper and defence combination (whether it be a back four or back three). As Leicester showed, having a settled keeper and back four is important and we need to find a combination that works as soon as possible. Add a midfielder or two who can protect the defence and we should be more solid. Injuries can't be helped, but we need to try and move away from players who miss games on a pretty regular basis.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Duncan Shaw on May 24, 2016, 07:30:05 AM: Baggies after Clark again apparently according to the E&S on BBC Gossip page.
I'm meh about him, but would hate him to go there and fulfil his potential!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 24, 2016, 07:53:05 AM: Clark's fine. I'd like to keep him. I'd like a captain brought into play alongside him, Baker and Toner as back up and Richards and Lescott to leave.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on May 24, 2016, 08:09:17 AM: Quote from: Duncan Shaw on May 24, 2016, 07:30:05 AM
Baggies after Clark again apparently according to the E&S on BBC Gossip page.
I'm meh about him, but would hate him to go there and fulfil his potential!

Clark to me is one of these players who will get better as he gets older. Him and an experienced partner for him to learn off in the championship could work.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on May 24, 2016, 09:56:13 AM: I'd make Clark captain. I think he'd develop to be the talker that we need.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ktvillan on May 24, 2016, 10:13:18 AM: Isn't Clark well into his 20s now? And people still talk about his potential? I'd laugh my tits off if the boggies signed him because I think he's awful. Lacks pace, strength, composure, can't read the game, awful positioning, top ball watcher, no leadership qualities, and as a bonus prone to drop a regular bollock. And that's just the positives.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on May 24, 2016, 10:19:07 AM: Clark captain.......
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: frank black on May 24, 2016, 10:20:34 AM: If he has a release clause as reported, then it's not really our decision to keep him.

5mil reported, seems low but then again so was the Delph one.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on May 24, 2016, 10:30:57 AM: Quote from: frank black on May 24, 2016, 10:20:34 AM
If he has a release clause as reported, then it's not really our decision to keep him.

5mil reported, seems low but then again so was the Delph one.

Yes, but do we know if another team other than Albion would be willing to activate the clause, just so we can start a bidding war between them?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: OCD on May 24, 2016, 10:35:48 AM: Delph had us over a barrel. Clark didn't, so how has he managed to get one? How many others have them?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: chrisw1 on May 24, 2016, 10:37:07 AM: Quote from: OCD on May 24, 2016, 10:35:48 AM
Delph had us over a barrel. Clark didn't, so how has he managed to get one? How many others have them?
Exactly. It would be really odd if a player like him had a release clause.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on May 24, 2016, 10:39:22 AM: Quote from: OCD on May 24, 2016, 10:35:48 AM
Delph had us over a barrel. Clark didn't, so how has he managed to get one? How many others have them?

Probably most of them whose wages are going to drop on relegation, which I reckon will be anyone who has signed a new contract in the last 3/4 years.

Wages drop = pre-agreed release clause triggered to somebody willing to pay them more.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on May 24, 2016, 10:47:02 AM: £5m for Clark would not be a bad deal at all for us. He's 26, started well over 100 games and the odd patch apart the majority of them haven't been very good. Of course we can say he's played in some really bad defences and would look better with a leader/someone stronger next to him, but you could say that with everyone. I just don't think he's developed and still shows the same flaws he always has done.

If we keep him he can do a good job in the Championship, if we sell him we get good money for a player who up to now hasn't shown himself as a capable Centre back in the Premier league.

Personally I'd like to see us start next season with 2 new centre backs.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Lastfootstamper on May 24, 2016, 11:02:32 AM: It would be a bit shitty to contractually reduce someone's pay without allowing them every reasonable opportunity to seek employment elsewhere, whatever walk of life it is. Personally, I hope they've all got similar and choose to exercise them.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 24, 2016, 11:51:47 AM: Quote from: aj2k77 on May 24, 2016, 10:47:02 AM
£5m for Clark would not be a bad deal at all for us. He's 26, started well over 100 games and the odd patch apart the majority of them haven't been very good. Of course we can say he's played in some really bad defences and would look better with a leader/someone stronger next to him, but you could say that with everyone. I just don't think he's developed and still shows the same flaws he always has done.

If we keep him he can do a good job in the Championship, if we sell him we get good money for a player who up to now hasn't shown himself as a capable Centre back in the Premier league.

Personally I'd like to see us start next season with 2 new centre backs.
agree a Division 2 player at best.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: AVH87 on May 24, 2016, 11:57:52 AM: I envisage Clark being a decent CB at Championship level, but for £5m? I'm sure we could do better.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 24, 2016, 12:06:39 PM: Baker earned rave reviews playing in the Championship last year and he's not as good as Clark.

Clark was our best defender last year. I'd be reluctant to replace our best defender while we retained two worse central defenders who are likely to be on far more money than him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Vegas on May 24, 2016, 12:20:07 PM: He's not good enough in the medium term, if our sights are once again being set on top 6/8 in the Premier League.

But I'd have him above nearly every other player in the squad (yes I know this isn't saying much) for next season's promotion campaign - I'd be really disappointed if this goes through.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: DBTW on May 24, 2016, 12:25:27 PM: Id sell Clark purely to stop Jack Woodward doing the CCCCC thingy
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Holte L2 on May 24, 2016, 12:36:41 PM: Quote from: DBTW on May 24, 2016, 12:25:27 PM
Id sell Clark purely to stop Jack Woodward doing the CCCCC thingy

Jack's been made redundant. That's one thing we dont have to worry about next season.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on May 24, 2016, 01:07:20 PM: Quote from: cdbullyweefan on May 24, 2016, 12:06:39 PM
Baker earned rave reviews playing in the Championship last year and he's not as good as Clark.

Clark was our best defender last year. I'd be reluctant to replace our best defender while we retained two worse central defenders who are likely to be on far more money than him.

I know you can't singly blame him alone but Baker looked good in a terrible Bristol City side that conceded a lot of goals it's not like he was commanding a mean defence at the business end of the table.

Steer, Gardener and Baker all played for poor Championship clubs last season.

I do agree Clark is better than Baker, neither are top Division defenders though. £5m sounds a lot of money to me.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: frank black on May 24, 2016, 01:09:19 PM: Quote from: passitsideways on May 24, 2016, 10:30:57 AM
Quote from: frank black on May 24, 2016, 10:20:34 AM
If he has a release clause as reported, then it's not really our decision to keep him.

5mil reported, seems low but then again so was the Delph one.

Yes, but do we know if another team other than Albion would be willing to activate the clause, just so we can start a bidding war between them?

No catching me with that one ;-)
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Edvard Remberg on May 24, 2016, 01:22:39 PM: Quote from: frank black on May 24, 2016, 01:09:19 PM
Quote from: passitsideways on May 24, 2016, 10:30:57 AM
Quote from: frank black on May 24, 2016, 10:20:34 AM
If he has a release clause as reported, then it's not really our decision to keep him.

5mil reported, seems low but then again so was the Delph one.

Yes, but do we know if another team other than Albion would be willing to activate the clause, just so we can start a bidding war between them?

No catching me with that one ;-)
That was a fun topic - right up there with why Barry didn't take the penalty?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on May 24, 2016, 01:32:28 PM: Quote from: aj2k77 on May 24, 2016, 01:07:20 PM
Quote from: cdbullyweefan on May 24, 2016, 12:06:39 PM
Baker earned rave reviews playing in the Championship last year and he's not as good as Clark.

Clark was our best defender last year. I'd be reluctant to replace our best defender while we retained two worse central defenders who are likely to be on far more money than him.

I know you can't singly blame him alone but Baker looked good in a terrible Bristol City side that conceded a lot of goals it's not like he was commanding a mean defence at the business end of the table.

Steer, Gardener and Baker all played for poor Championship clubs last season.

I do agree Clark is better than Baker, neither are top Division defenders though. £5m sounds a lot of money to me.

Only small snapshots, but the three clips I saw of Bristol City this season involved Baker giving away a penalty, Baker getting injured after doing a diving header and Baker bizarrely turning his back on the play and sitting down injured at the precise moment his goalkeeper passed the ball to him. I would sell him if Bristol City are interested and give Toner a chance as back up.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on May 24, 2016, 01:43:46 PM: That could be a snapshot pretty much of Bakers career so far.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: in exile on May 24, 2016, 02:25:23 PM: I'm just not sure about Jed Steer.
Surely if he was any good Huddersfield would be trying to sign him wouldn't they?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Gareth on May 24, 2016, 03:15:54 PM: One player I would like us to sign is Cyrus Christie from Derby - looks a good Championship right back
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: nutter453 on May 24, 2016, 04:19:45 PM: Quote from: in exile on May 24, 2016, 02:25:23 PM
I'm just not sure about Jed Steer.
Surely if he was any good Huddersfield would be trying to sign him wouldn't they?

I follow Huddersfield as well as Villa due to family connections, and at the 3 games I've been to this years he's been good. The fans were all seemed keen on signing him, although the board are trying to implement a game akin to Dortmund (They got David Wagner in as coach who was the Dortmund II manager under Klopp) so they appear to be looking to Europe for players.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on May 24, 2016, 04:37:08 PM: I think Clark would do a decent job in the Championship but ultimately he is like Westwood when it comes to top flight football, he is nowhere near good enough and consistently makes costly errors.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on May 24, 2016, 04:40:28 PM: Quote from: nutter453 on May 24, 2016, 04:19:45 PM
Quote from: in exile on May 24, 2016, 02:25:23 PM
I'm just not sure about Jed Steer.
Surely if he was any good Huddersfield would be trying to sign him wouldn't they?

I follow Huddersfield as well as Villa due to family connections, and at the 3 games I've been to this years he's been good. The fans were all seemed keen on signing him, although the board are trying to implement a game akin to Dortmund (They got David Wagner in as coach who was the Dortmund II manager under Klopp) so they appear to be looking to Europe for players.

I wouldn't have him as first choice and I'm not sure we can afford to have both and him as back up.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Mister E on May 24, 2016, 06:03:48 PM: Quote from: Ads on May 24, 2016, 04:37:08 PM
I think Clark would do a decent job in the Championship but ultimately he is like Westwood when it comes to top flight football, he is nowhere near good enough and consistently makes costly errors.
Clark may be fine next season - let's see after the Euros.
If next season goes well, I wouldn't want to write him off stepping up to the PL and doing okay in the following season.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on May 24, 2016, 06:13:38 PM: Quote from: Gareth on May 24, 2016, 03:15:54 PM
One player I would like us to sign is Cyrus Christie from Derby - looks a good Championship right back

Agreed, Christie, Dunk and Redmond are three I'd go for from the Championship.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: claretandbeer on May 24, 2016, 06:38:52 PM: Quote from: tomd2103 on May 24, 2016, 01:32:28 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on May 24, 2016, 01:07:20 PM
Quote from: cdbullyweefan on May 24, 2016, 12:06:39 PM
Baker earned rave reviews playing in the Championship last year and he's not as good as Clark.

Clark was our best defender last year. I'd be reluctant to replace our best defender while we retained two worse central defenders who are likely to be on far more money than him.

I know you can't singly blame him alone but Baker looked good in a terrible Bristol City side that conceded a lot of goals it's not like he was commanding a mean defence at the business end of the table.

Steer, Gardener and Baker all played for poor Championship clubs last season.

I do agree Clark is better than Baker, neither are top Division defenders though. £5m sounds a lot of money to me.

Only small snapshots, but the three clips I saw of Bristol City this season involved Baker giving away a penalty, Baker getting injured after doing a diving header and Baker bizarrely turning his back on the play and sitting down injured at the precise moment his goalkeeper passed the ball to him. I would sell him if Bristol City are interested and give Toner a chance as back up.
Clips of matches tend to show goals or near misses,thus showing defenders in a poor light as you don't get a glimpse of the mundane clearances ,tackles and headers in a game.I thought Villa missed Baker's physical presence last year.Clark and him would have made a more reliable pairing than any involving,Lescott,Richards or Okore.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on May 24, 2016, 07:04:57 PM: Okore and Baker would be a decent pair if they stayed fit. Hutton will still be here. Amavi might. If Clark Lescott and Richards go you then need a RB and 2 centre backs as backup.

Caulker might be cheap this summer. Distin free is still good enough for the championship.

Getting a good keeper is vital.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on May 24, 2016, 07:14:45 PM: I'd like to keep Clark but 5 million would be too good to refuse for him. I think what Clark really needs is a decent partner. I thought he was our player of the season last year, and certainly most improved. He also struck up a good partnership with Okore, and we've not seen this two given too much of a chance in re-igniting that partnership. I think they'd be solid in the championship. Clark needs pace next to him and ideally someone comfortable on the right (which of course Okore is). That is of course if Okore is still here. I know Clark had a poor season, but he wasn't nearly as bad as Richards or Lescott and everyone at the back was shit.

We also need to sign a good experienced CH. I do agree Distin might be worth a shot. Still in good nick and still has a turn of pace. He's a unquestionably better than Lescott and Richards and would probably be a positive influence.

Baker is still too injury prone. I'd sell him and give Toner a chance.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: The Charmer on May 24, 2016, 07:18:42 PM: Quote from: aj2k77 on May 24, 2016, 06:13:38 PM
Quote from: Gareth on May 24, 2016, 03:15:54 PM
One player I would like us to sign is Cyrus Christie from Derby - looks a good Championship right back

Agreed, Christie, Dunk and Redmond are three I'd go for from the Championship.

You've got three 'Yes's'
From what I've seen of the above, I think they could all do a job for us next season.

Having said that, I'm pretty sure that people watching games with me this year have had a gutful of me looking at a half-decent player and saying 'He's the sort we need at the Villa!'
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SteveN on May 24, 2016, 07:50:58 PM: Isn't Distin a left footer of which we currently have three? Ideally we need a big nasty right sided central defender.

I like Dunk but he does seem to be prone to the occasional rick.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on May 24, 2016, 07:54:58 PM: Quote from: SteveN on May 24, 2016, 07:50:58 PM
Isn't Distin a left footer of which we currently have three? Ideally we need a big nasty right sided central defender.

I like Dunk but he does seem to be prone to the occasional rick.
I would see Distin as a replacement for Lescott. Experienced and not necessarily to play every game. I think Toner's time will come, but he'll be a squad filler. But of Lescott, Baker and Clark I'd expect 2 at least to go.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on May 24, 2016, 08:03:02 PM: distin? :o

a 38 year old centre half what could possibly go wrong?

i think clark, baker and okore will be here next season
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: jwarry on May 24, 2016, 08:48:28 PM: I think Clark should be our captain next season. Sure he's prone to mistakes but his approaching his prime at 26 which is when defenders really come into their own
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: shipscat on May 24, 2016, 09:07:36 PM: I agree jwarry.

I can understand that he's been inconsistent this season, along with the rest of the defence.

For me,mentally he's a leader..and he is the best reader of the game we have at the back.

Let's see if we can recruit someone alongside of a similar ilk.One thing about Pulipenis is that he tends to spot and nuture defensive players.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: LeeB on May 24, 2016, 09:13:58 PM: I have visions of him getting ragged by hurly burly championship centre forwards.

I'd bite someone's hand off for £5m and stick Baker in his place.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on May 24, 2016, 09:50:46 PM: I keep hearing Clark's a leader but when has he shown that? A couple of big tackles here and there, apart from that, does he talk? Not really, not seen much organisation, not seen him handing out bollockings, I doubt he carries much weight behind the scenes and if he does it's obviously not been effective.

I want a real leader of men, in fact a few of them. Players who demand high standards of the others, don't tolerate slacking, want to win.

Clark stinks too much of the 5 seasons of shit for me.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on May 24, 2016, 09:58:56 PM: I agree. Big centre forwards eat him alive.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 24, 2016, 10:11:43 PM: I'd keep him.

The stats speak for themselves:

We've won 67.2% of games he's started since his debut but only 21.9% of games he's missed during the same period.

Okay, admittedly, I've just made those figures up. But still pretty compelling I'm sure you'll agree.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 24, 2016, 10:58:01 PM: Quote from: aj2k77 on May 24, 2016, 09:50:46 PM
I keep hearing Clark's a leader but when has he shown that? A couple of big tackles here and there, apart from that, does he talk? Not really, not seen much organisation, not seen him handing out bollockings, I doubt he carries much weight behind the scenes and if he does it's obviously not been effective.

I want a real leader of men, in fact a few of them. Players who demand high standards of the others, don't tolerate slacking, want to win.

Clark stinks too much of the 5 seasons of shit for me.

His nickname is Skipper or something similar. He's had the tag ever since playing youth football so he must have some personality traits that demonstrate leadership. That or it is a highly ironic nickname.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: rougegorge on May 24, 2016, 11:15:48 PM: A Clark Baker combo would give their all but would not generate confidence. They have some good traits but my overriding impression is of them taking it in turns to hammer the ball into touch, lunging in with late tackles or every so often presenting the opponents with a goal.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on May 25, 2016, 01:14:27 AM: https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/football--oldest-winger-in-town--the-80-year-old-still-playing-for-his-local-team-124203677.html (https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/football--oldest-winger-in-town--the-80-year-old-still-playing-for-his-local-team-124203677.html)
Sign this guy up. Better shape than Gabby and probably quicker. (All kidding aside, great story).
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: olaftab on May 25, 2016, 01:19:19 AM: Quote from: cdbullyweefan on May 24, 2016, 10:11:43 PM
I'd keep him.

The stats speak for themselves:

We've won 67.2% of games he's started since his debut but only 21.9% of games he's missed during the same period.

Okay, admittedly, I've just made those figures up. But still pretty compelling I'm sure you'll agree.
When did you started working as his agent?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on May 25, 2016, 09:13:38 AM: Quote from: Dante Lavelli on May 24, 2016, 10:58:01 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on May 24, 2016, 09:50:46 PM
I keep hearing Clark's a leader but when has he shown that? A couple of big tackles here and there, apart from that, does he talk? Not really, not seen much organisation, not seen him handing out bollockings, I doubt he carries much weight behind the scenes and if he does it's obviously not been effective.

I want a real leader of men, in fact a few of them. Players who demand high standards of the others, don't tolerate slacking, want to win.

Clark stinks too much of the 5 seasons of shit for me.

His nickname is Skipper or something similar. He's had the tag ever since playing youth football so he must have some personality traits that demonstrate leadership. That or it is a highly ironic nickname.

He must own a boat.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 25, 2016, 09:16:22 AM: Quote from: rougegorge on May 24, 2016, 11:15:48 PM
A Clark Baker combo would give their all but would not generate confidence. They have some good traits but my overriding impression is of them taking it in turns to hammer the ball into touch, lunging in with late tackles or every so often presenting the opponents with a goal.
They'd be committed. And they'd work hard, however, the individual mistakes and general switching off wouldn't stop - ok, the strikers in this division won't be as clinical, but these pair at the back for us this season coming would worry me. If Pulis is really going to offer £5mil for Clark then I'm more than happy with that.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 25, 2016, 09:28:27 AM: Quote from: olaftab on May 25, 2016, 01:19:19 AM
Quote from: cdbullyweefan on May 24, 2016, 10:11:43 PM
I'd keep him.

The stats speak for themselves:

We've won 67.2% of games he's started since his debut but only 21.9% of games he's missed during the same period.

Okay, admittedly, I've just made those figures up. But still pretty compelling I'm sure you'll agree.
When did you started working as his agent?

Last year. Stupidly, I only negotiated myself a percentage of his win bonus so I actually owe him money.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on May 25, 2016, 09:28:45 AM: Quote from: ozzjim on May 24, 2016, 09:58:56 PM
I agree. Big centre forwards eat him alive.

fast strong centre-forwards but I can't think of too many of them in the Championship. He'd be fine there.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mattjpa on May 25, 2016, 09:29:25 AM: Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 25, 2016, 09:16:22 AM
Quote from: rougegorge on May 24, 2016, 11:15:48 PM
A Clark Baker combo would give their all but would not generate confidence. They have some good traits but my overriding impression is of them taking it in turns to hammer the ball into touch, lunging in with late tackles or every so often presenting the opponents with a goal.
They'd be committed. And they'd work hard, however, the individual mistakes and general switching off wouldn't stop - ok, the strikers in this division won't be as clinical, but these pair at the back for us this season coming would worry me. If Pulis is really going to offer £5mil for Clark then I'm more than happy with that.
I think we would live to regret it. CBs generally mature later than other footballers, its only really exceptional talents that are world class at an early age and even then they still have a rick in them. Examples - Stones, Smalling, Cahill, Koscielny are/have all been thought of as exceptional players early on but all dropped bollocks on a fairly regular basis. Clark is now reaching the age/experience where those things should start becoming the exception rather than the norm and clicking into place. Dont forget, he has also spent the majority of his time in the first team playing at a club under pressure, seeing alot more of the ball than he should
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 25, 2016, 11:43:07 AM: I'm not writing Clark off, and yeah, he's only played in poor Villa teams, but he's contributed a fair bit to our 'poorness' over recent years.
I think he would be worth keeping, but I'd certainly sell him if this WBA interest of £5mil is genuine.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 25, 2016, 12:08:56 PM: Wouldn't risk it after the last few years. Baker is alright at back up and can start games here and there. Would sell Clark, try and keep Okore (we won't get much for him seeing as he's in his last year) and sign two CBs used to championship.

We should be o.k with that.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 25, 2016, 12:17:50 PM: We need some leadership and experience at the back this season. Yeah, I thought Lescott and Richards would bring us that last season. They proved me wrong... but we could do with someone who has leadership, fight and some good influence about them. Richard Keogh at Derby is the sort I mean. Proven at that level. Can do the job, knows the job. Michael Dawson at Hull also - that type.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 25, 2016, 12:36:19 PM: James Chester would be a very good signing, proven for Hull at that level and had a good season for them in the prem. Pulis has played him out of position at RB.

Swop deal could be on the cards there.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on May 25, 2016, 12:39:05 PM: Quote from: SoccerHQ on May 25, 2016, 12:36:19 PM
James Chester would be a very good signing, proven for Hull at that level and had a good season for them in the prem. Pulis has played him out of position at RB.

Swop deal could be on the cards there.

While we're raiding West Brom's bench, beetroot's Ricky Lambert would probably do a pretty solid job for 12 months in that division.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Bottom Right 89 on May 25, 2016, 01:04:15 PM: Read this morning that Guzan is either off to the MLS or considering offers from Premier League clubs??? I wonder who these mythical Premier League clubs in need of a keeper with transparent hands that can't kick straight? If I was him I'd be looking at college courses and a career change.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on May 25, 2016, 01:14:20 PM: Quote from: Bottom Right 89 on May 25, 2016, 01:04:15 PM
Read this morning that Guzan is either off to the MLS or considering offers from Premier League clubs??? I wonder who these mythical Premier League clubs in need of a keeper with transparent hands that can't kick straight? If I was him I'd be looking at college courses and a career change.

Maybe if that ridiculous Hart to Everton for £40m deal goes through, Brad could go to Man City.

It would certainly even things up a bit; yes Man City, you can have the best manager but only if you have Guzan in goal.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KevinGage on May 25, 2016, 01:15:16 PM: He's badly shot confidence-wise, but his level of performance was good for us over a number of years.

Would be surprised if it is another PL club, unless it is as back-up.

But prob best for him and us if he moves on.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 25, 2016, 01:22:27 PM: I don't think too many Premier League clubs will want to use up one of their non-homegrown squad spots on a backup keeper.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 25, 2016, 02:00:07 PM: Quote from: Dave on May 25, 2016, 12:39:05 PM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on May 25, 2016, 12:36:19 PM
James Chester would be a very good signing, proven for Hull at that level and had a good season for them in the prem. Pulis has played him out of position at RB.

Swop deal could be on the cards there.

While we're raiding West Brom's bench, beetroot's Ricky Lambert would probably do a pretty solid job for 12 months in that division.
There's a few squad players at WBA who could do a good job for us next season. Chester, Lambert, Morrison, Myhill.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on May 25, 2016, 02:53:19 PM: Lambert is a good footballer and would do a job. So would Chester and Morrison imo. Myhill in goals too.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on May 25, 2016, 02:53:53 PM: Sorry didn't read the last post! What he said.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on May 25, 2016, 03:08:11 PM: Quote from: UK Redsox on May 25, 2016, 01:14:20 PM
Quote from: Bottom Right 89 on May 25, 2016, 01:04:15 PM
Read this morning that Guzan is either off to the MLS or considering offers from Premier League clubs??? I wonder who these mythical Premier League clubs in need of a keeper with transparent hands that can't kick straight? If I was him I'd be looking at college courses and a career change.

Maybe if that ridiculous Hart to Everton for £40m deal goes through, Brad could go to Man City.

It would certainly even things up a bit; yes Man City, you can have the best manager but only if you have Guzan in goal.

Best manager? I don't think so.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on May 25, 2016, 03:08:35 PM: Quote from: UK Redsox on May 25, 2016, 01:14:20 PM
Quote from: Bottom Right 89 on May 25, 2016, 01:04:15 PM
Read this morning that Guzan is either off to the MLS or considering offers from Premier League clubs??? I wonder who these mythical Premier League clubs in need of a keeper with transparent hands that can't kick straight? If I was him I'd be looking at college courses and a career change.

Maybe if that ridiculous Hart to Everton for £40m deal goes through, Brad could go to Man City.

It would certainly even things up a bit; yes Man City, you can have the best manager but only if you have Guzan in goal.

So Everton are going to double their transfer record on a goalkeeper? A goalkeeper that's reportedly on £100K per week and would be walking away from a chance to play for Guardiola.

Everton committing the cardinal sin of signing players without a manager.

There's a faint odour of bovine excrement somewhere.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Stirchley Villain on May 25, 2016, 03:35:08 PM: Anyone who wants Guzan is welcome to him as far as I'm concerned.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Des Little on May 25, 2016, 03:38:25 PM: Apologies if this is posted elsewhere:

http://www.footballinsider247.com/confirmed-aston-in-clubs-history/?

Why would we be showing our hand? surely this only puts a nought on any asking price?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 25, 2016, 03:40:28 PM: It seems to me just that the article has taken "we have £100 million in a bank in England" to mean "we are going to spend £100 million this transfer window".

Sensationalist nonsense.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: hipkiss92 on May 25, 2016, 03:50:03 PM: Quote from: peter w on May 25, 2016, 03:08:11 PM
Quote from: UK Redsox on May 25, 2016, 01:14:20 PM
Quote from: Bottom Right 89 on May 25, 2016, 01:04:15 PM
Read this morning that Guzan is either off to the MLS or considering offers from Premier League clubs??? I wonder who these mythical Premier League clubs in need of a keeper with transparent hands that can't kick straight? If I was him I'd be looking at college courses and a career change.

Maybe if that ridiculous Hart to Everton for £40m deal goes through, Brad could go to Man City.

It would certainly even things up a bit; yes Man City, you can have the best manager but only if you have Guzan in goal.

Best manager? I don't think so.

Who is then?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on May 25, 2016, 07:04:07 PM: Quote from: hipkiss92 on May 25, 2016, 03:50:03 PM
Quote from: peter w on May 25, 2016, 03:08:11 PM
Quote from: UK Redsox on May 25, 2016, 01:14:20 PM
Quote from: Bottom Right 89 on May 25, 2016, 01:04:15 PM
Read this morning that Guzan is either off to the MLS or considering offers from Premier League clubs??? I wonder who these mythical Premier League clubs in need of a keeper with transparent hands that can't kick straight? If I was him I'd be looking at college courses and a career change.

Maybe if that ridiculous Hart to Everton for £40m deal goes through, Brad could go to Man City.

It would certainly even things up a bit; yes Man City, you can have the best manager but only if you have Guzan in goal.

Best manager? I don't think so.

Who is then?
Eric Black.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on May 25, 2016, 07:43:31 PM: It could be as a back up somewhere like man city or arsenal ! But let's say Everton and howard recommended him. Maybe Bournemouth or Stoke
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on May 25, 2016, 08:51:26 PM: Who plays in goal for Boro? Bournemouth is a maybe. Southampton as a number 2 to Forster? Sunderland?

Who do we actually think will go?

Guzan
Richards
Lescott
Cissokho
Gueye
Ayew
Bacuna??

The rest I reckon we will struggle to shift (Gabby etc) despite needing them out. I do hope Little tells whoever is coming in what a shit bag the bloke is.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: curlytailavfc on May 25, 2016, 08:59:12 PM: Well at the moment the Villa are doin peoples heads in bored allready with all the crap flyin about
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on May 25, 2016, 09:20:43 PM: you're bored on board?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on May 25, 2016, 09:24:01 PM: Quote from: mr underhill on May 25, 2016, 09:20:43 PM
you're bored on board?
There's plenty of more interesting alternatives.

Snowboarding, waterboarding
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on May 25, 2016, 09:42:57 PM: Imagine the rejoice if gabby gets shifted on ! Fair play but time is time and can move on . If the new leader and managing team on the ball him and others would be loaned or sold on. I think there's a big feeling that could happen and it would immediately get fans on side if not already but optimistic !

I thinking in business and football sense those players were responsible for relegation and perhaps weren't even good enough to be selected on merit and the moves made to place them at other football clubs can go along way in rebuild of great villa club
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tony Erdington on May 25, 2016, 09:52:00 PM: wouldn't it be funny if small heath came in for the burger eater
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on May 25, 2016, 09:53:41 PM: I'd also take the Walsall left back on, can't remember his name but he looked decent the couple of times I've seen him. Give him a season learning alongside Amavi, sack off Cissokho who's another abomination of a footballer.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Richard E on May 25, 2016, 09:55:59 PM: Quote from: aj2k77 on May 25, 2016, 09:53:41 PM
I'd also take the Walsall left back on, can't remember his name but he looked decent the couple of times I've seen him. Give him a season learning alongside Amavi, sack off Cissokho who's another abomination of a footballer.

Rico Henry. Walsall fan at work rates him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on May 25, 2016, 10:04:52 PM: Quote from: Richard E on May 25, 2016, 09:55:59 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on May 25, 2016, 09:53:41 PM
I'd also take the Walsall left back on, can't remember his name but he looked decent the couple of times I've seen him. Give him a season learning alongside Amavi, sack off Cissokho who's another abomination of a footballer.

Rico Henry. Walsall fan at work rates him.

That's him. Young kid, already with some lower league experience and a local lad.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on May 25, 2016, 10:05:05 PM: With the new ownership can afford the wages of these let downs but send them off to other clubs! Preferably clubs we don't like and they can do whatver
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on May 25, 2016, 11:27:27 PM: Quote from: Tony Erdington on May 25, 2016, 09:52:00 PM
wouldn't it be funny if small heath came in for the burger eater

Surely even they are not that stupid?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Bottom Right 89 on May 27, 2016, 04:23:54 PM: Just realised we will get Antonio Crespo back from Real Volcano over the Summer. Made a real impression during our 1 nil home defeat to Stoke last season.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on May 27, 2016, 04:52:09 PM: who?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on May 27, 2016, 05:11:57 PM: The bearded Spanish defender we had signed for 150,000 last summer.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on May 27, 2016, 05:33:20 PM: fuck, I'd completely forgotten about him
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cheltenhamlion on May 27, 2016, 06:02:58 PM: Didn't he get sold in January?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SheffieldVillain on May 27, 2016, 07:47:35 PM: Almost certainly rubbish, but twitter rumours that Brighton are about to break their transfer record for Gabby. (Their transfer record is 500k).

Fingers crossed.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on May 27, 2016, 07:58:08 PM: Quote from: SheffieldVillain on May 27, 2016, 07:47:35 PM
Almost certainly rubbish, but twitter rumours that Brighton are about to break their transfer record for Gabby. (Their transfer record is 500k).

Fingers crossed.
He'll like it down there. Every other building is a chip shop.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on May 27, 2016, 07:58:32 PM: Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on May 27, 2016, 05:11:57 PM
The bearded Spanish defender we had signed for 150,000 last summer.

Made Tony Moon look good.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on May 27, 2016, 08:25:39 PM: Have we signed technically the 3 worst Spanish footballers ever? Crespo, Cuellar and Luna.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: adrenachrome on May 28, 2016, 01:01:09 AM: Quote from: supertom on May 27, 2016, 07:58:32 PM
Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on May 27, 2016, 05:11:57 PM
The bearded Spanish defender we had signed for 150,000 last summer.

Made Tony Moon look good.

I recall Archie, our correspondent in Italy, when considering this signing, presciently stating "We are going down, mates".
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on May 29, 2016, 08:19:46 PM: Quote from: aj2k77 on May 27, 2016, 08:25:39 PM
Have we signed technically the 3 worst Spanish footballers ever? Crespo, Cuellar and Luna.
Absolutely yes. Shockingly bad. All three. None of them could trap a ball within inside of row z.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 29, 2016, 08:26:04 PM: Gil has been pretty shit. He has ability, but he's not shown anything near what he should have.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Concrete John on May 29, 2016, 08:45:08 PM: Cuellar was OK when playing at CB.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on May 29, 2016, 09:00:27 PM: Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 29, 2016, 08:26:04 PM
Gil has been pretty shit. He has ability, but he's not shown anything near what he should have.
What's the Spanish for "all fart and no shit?"
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on May 29, 2016, 09:08:06 PM: Todo pedo y ninguna mierda
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 29, 2016, 09:08:26 PM: todo pedo y ninguna mierda - from google translate.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 29, 2016, 09:25:57 PM: Gil has bits of quality and scores the odd good goal but he dosen't really have a turn of pace and is very lightweight in possession.

Of the two I'd rather hang my hat on Grealish in that number 10 playmaking role next season. If he gets his head sorted out he can be a standout player for us next season.

Not fussed whether Gil stays or goes.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 29, 2016, 10:02:13 PM: He might not be week in week out PL quality but he'll be plenty good for the Championship.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PGW on May 29, 2016, 10:04:59 PM: Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 29, 2016, 10:02:13 PM
He might not be week in week out PL quality but he'll be plenty good for the Championship.
He will be kicked out of games.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Stirchley Villain on May 29, 2016, 10:07:21 PM: Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 29, 2016, 10:02:13 PM
He might not be week in week out PL quality but he'll be plenty good for the Championship.

Will he bollocks.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: paul_e on May 29, 2016, 10:30:53 PM: Quote from: PGW on May 29, 2016, 10:04:59 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 29, 2016, 10:02:13 PM
He might not be week in week out PL quality but he'll be plenty good for the Championship.
He will be kicked out of games.

I'm not so sure, from what I've seen the game is much less physical in the championship than the premier league now, the levels of pace and power just aren't as high. People may foul him more but the general drop in physicality might help him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on May 29, 2016, 10:37:54 PM: Quote from: Stirchley Villain on May 29, 2016, 10:07:21 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 29, 2016, 10:02:13 PM
He might not be week in week out PL quality but he'll be plenty good for the Championship.

Will he bollocks.

Gaston Ramirez was rubbish on the same position in the Premier League. Barely even registered. Just as small and lightweight as Gil.

Oh, and foreign. That's the thing that obviously matters in the Championship.

A goal every other game in the last three months and one of the main reasons Boro are in the Premier League.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Stirchley Villain on May 29, 2016, 10:44:06 PM: Quote from: Dave on May 29, 2016, 10:37:54 PM
Quote from: Stirchley Villain on May 29, 2016, 10:07:21 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 29, 2016, 10:02:13 PM
He might not be week in week out PL quality but he'll be plenty good for the Championship.

Will he bollocks.

Gaston Ramirez was rubbish on the same position in the Premier League. Barely even registered. Just as small and lightweight as Gil.

Oh, and foreign. That's the thing that obviously matters in the Championship.

A goal every other game in the last three months and one of the main reasons Boro are in the Premier League.

His heart's never been at Villa. And where did I say it's because he's foreign that he won't do well? I could pick another random Spaniard whose failed in the Championship to counter your Ramirez argument if we're playing that game.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on May 29, 2016, 10:50:20 PM: Quote from: PGW on May 29, 2016, 10:04:59 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 29, 2016, 10:02:13 PM
He might not be week in week out PL quality but he'll be plenty good for the Championship.
He will be kicked out of games.

this

him and nancy boy westwood will get eaten alive
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on May 29, 2016, 10:51:02 PM: Quote from: Stirchley Villain on May 29, 2016, 10:44:06 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 29, 2016, 10:37:54 PM
Quote from: Stirchley Villain on May 29, 2016, 10:07:21 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 29, 2016, 10:02:13 PM
He might not be week in week out PL quality but he'll be plenty good for the Championship.

Will he bollocks.

Gaston Ramirez was rubbish on the same position in the Premier League. Barely even registered. Just as small and lightweight as Gil.

Oh, and foreign. That's the thing that obviously matters in the Championship.

A goal every other game in the last three months and one of the main reasons Boro are in the Premier League.

His heart's never been at Villa. And where did I say it's because he's foreign that he won't do well? I could pick another random Spaniard whose failed in the Championship to counter your Ramirez argument if we're playing that game.

What game? It's daft to say who will do well at a level below or not.

This time last year nobody would have picked Ramirez to have been the difference between Boro going up or not. Gil might be for us. He might not be and Traore might. Or Veretout might. Or none of them might because they've all left.

Pick whichever Spaniard (Uruguayan) you like. It doesn't change anything.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 29, 2016, 10:51:58 PM: Quote from: Stirchley Villain on May 29, 2016, 10:07:21 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 29, 2016, 10:02:13 PM
He might not be week in week out PL quality but he'll be plenty good for the Championship.

Will he bollocks.

Bannan is slightly less foreign, small, not so great in the PL but was selected in the Championship Team of the Season. Not sure whether that supports/disproves either of your arguments but suggests that the smaller players can thrive in the league and/or there is a significant drop in quality.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Stirchley Villain on May 29, 2016, 11:00:46 PM: Quote from: Dave on May 29, 2016, 10:51:02 PM
Quote from: Stirchley Villain on May 29, 2016, 10:44:06 PM
Quote from: Dave on May 29, 2016, 10:37:54 PM
Quote from: Stirchley Villain on May 29, 2016, 10:07:21 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 29, 2016, 10:02:13 PM
He might not be week in week out PL quality but he'll be plenty good for the Championship.

Will he bollocks.

Gaston Ramirez was rubbish on the same position in the Premier League. Barely even registered. Just as small and lightweight as Gil.

Oh, and foreign. That's the thing that obviously matters in the Championship.

A goal every other game in the last three months and one of the main reasons Boro are in the Premier League.

His heart's never been at Villa. And where did I say it's because he's foreign that he won't do well? I could pick another random Spaniard whose failed in the Championship to counter your Ramirez argument if we're playing that game.

What game? It's daft to say who will do well at a level below or not.

This time last year nobody would have picked Ramirez to have been the difference between Boro going up or not. Gil might be for us. He might not be and Traore might. Or Veretout might. Or none of them might because they've all left.

Pick whichever Spaniard (Uruguayan) you like. It doesn't change anything.

Bet you he's gone by the start of the new season. He'd have been gone by January if he'd have had his way.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on May 29, 2016, 11:06:10 PM: I'd bet my house that there isn't a single player on our books who wouldn't have left in January had they been given the chance.

I'm not sure what you think that proves.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Stirchley Villain on May 29, 2016, 11:18:44 PM: That his heart's not at Villa? He was different to the others in January in that a realistic move fell through. Anyway, rather than argue the toss all night, if he's still here in September you can remind me with pleasure. If he's our star player next season you can do the same with knobs on. My wager is that he'll be gone by September. If he's not then I can say with confidence that he'll be as ineffective next season as he has been the last. If I remember I'll post an "I told you so" on this very thread.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on May 29, 2016, 11:22:24 PM: Erm...

I don't think I'll bother reminding you, but if you want to bookmark this for September and we can catch up then. do feel free.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on May 29, 2016, 11:30:38 PM: This is the Gil that generally when we play lesser teams suddenly looks half decent because he is not so easily nullified? And where was he going in January?

He annoys me because for all his talent he produces bugger all, but then you look at Boro and Ramirez, Blues putting a lot of emphasis on Fabrini and some other number 10 they have, Norwich will rely on Hoolahan again, Bannan was brilliant at Sheff Wed, basically technically gifted players often end up looking very good in the championship because there is so much rubbish in it. If we can keep most of ours, and add 4-5 good battling leaders we will be top 2-3 next season.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on May 29, 2016, 11:47:36 PM: I think it's pretty simple when it comes to him: get him the ball in the final third, so that his technical skills (mainly the ability to jink past a man or play a quick one-two) actually has some potential to result in a goal. It's no wonder he looks all fart and no shit when he has to do those things, say, in the middle of the park, where all he can do afterwards really is move it on sideways or backwards as covering defenders arrive.

The same obviously applies to guys like Grealish or Veretout: hopefully the lower standard in the Championship and the arrival of RDM means that can be drastically improved upon.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: OCD on May 29, 2016, 11:49:38 PM: Let's face it, just how many players would look good in the current set-up?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on May 30, 2016, 08:55:38 AM: Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on May 29, 2016, 10:50:20 PM
Quote from: PGW on May 29, 2016, 10:04:59 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 29, 2016, 10:02:13 PM
He might not be week in week out PL quality but he'll be plenty good for the Championship.
He will be kicked out of games.

this

him and nancy boy westwood will get eaten alive

Thanks for some proper championship quality homophobia.

How low have we fallen. Can't even do quality homophobic insults properly anymore.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on May 30, 2016, 09:02:37 AM: Quote from: passitsideways on May 29, 2016, 11:47:36 PM
I think it's pretty simple when it comes to him: get him the ball in the final third, so that his technical skills (mainly the ability to jink past a man or play a quick one-two) actually has some potential to result in a goal. It's no wonder he looks all fart and no shit when he has to do those things, say, in the middle of the park, where all he can do afterwards really is move it on sideways or backwards as covering defenders arrive.

The same obviously applies to guys like Grealish or Veretout: hopefully the lower standard in the Championship and the arrival of RDM means that can be drastically improved upon.

Will you stop with the rational, considered analysis.

It potentially leads you to the conclusion that we don't need to shift in/out 30+ players, depending on how many have release clauses that are activated, how many undesirables we actually manage to shift.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sickbeggar on May 30, 2016, 09:18:31 AM: Well if Ross McCormack is the sort of player we're going for, I think we can forget any ideas that the new owners are planning a spending spree. Decent player and prolific with Fulham but nearly 30 and not going to get any better. Also seems to alternate from getting bucketloads one season to not being able to hit a barn door the next. For what fulham will want, I hope we pass personally.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Nastylee on May 30, 2016, 09:32:50 AM: But rumours like McCormack come from the age old myth that to be successful in the Championship you have to be some battle hardened warrior. People forget that most of the teams promoted in recent years have done so playing attractive flowing football that is of better quality than the bottom 10 PL sides. Buying Championship players is a sure fire way of ensuring you become a Championship team that never get past the play offs and there's plenty of examples of clubs like that.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Chris Jameson on May 30, 2016, 09:34:18 AM: Admittedly I haven't watched that much Championship football but maybe I've just been very lucky/unlucky in that none of the matches involved players kicking lumps out of each other and trying to end careers.

Westwood and Grealish seemed to cope perfectly well with all these lower league hard cases that each club is seemingly full of.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Concrete John on May 30, 2016, 09:45:17 AM: I think we'll find the Championship is a place where attacking teams will do well, but also we'll need to 'earn the right to play'. Sorry for the cliche.

Rebuild the spine to allow the likes of Grealish to influence games games and we won't be far off.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ormy Droid on May 30, 2016, 09:52:14 AM: The Brentford team that made the play-offs the season before last, had Alan Judge, Jota, and Lewis Pritchard, all of whom were skillful types, rather than the put your foot in brigade. But they also had to show a bit of desire, something that Gil has failed miserably at for quite some time now. He could light up that league, but it's up to him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on May 30, 2016, 10:17:31 AM: Quote from: Concrete John on May 30, 2016, 09:45:17 AM
I think we'll find the Championship is a place where attacking teams will do well, but also we'll need to 'earn the right to play'. Sorry for the cliche.

Rebuild the spine to allow the likes of Grealish to influence games games and we won't be far off.

Yes, but that cliche is true, whichever league you're in. One of the reasons we stank the league out last season was not being prepared to do the basic hard work required to give yourself the right to try and play a bit.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on May 30, 2016, 10:50:04 AM: I think Westwood and Grealish will do well in the Champ. I'm still unsure of Gil. I think he needs to move back to Spain to be honest, before he gets irreparably damaged from playing for us. He's got a nice touch and a bit of skill but he's been unable to ever dictate a game or take it by the scruff of the neck. He goes hiding. Although Grealish does take a thumping at times he gets up and gets on with it and doesn't mind getting clattered. Gil goes into his shell and it'll only get worse in the championship. I just think he's one of those players who'll never quite make it in England. Which is a shame because I quite like him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 30, 2016, 11:24:23 AM: Quote from: Dante Lavelli on May 29, 2016, 10:51:58 PM
Quote from: Stirchley Villain on May 29, 2016, 10:07:21 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 29, 2016, 10:02:13 PM
He might not be week in week out PL quality but he'll be plenty good for the Championship.

Will he bollocks.

Bannan is slightly less foreign, small, not so great in the PL but was selected in the Championship Team of the Season. Not sure whether that supports/disproves either of your arguments but suggests that the smaller players can thrive in the league and/or there is a significant drop in quality.

Dante, I'll see your Barry Bannan and raise you a Peter Whittingham. A skinny bloke who has had a very good Championship level career.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Gregorys Boy on May 30, 2016, 11:42:41 AM: Quote from: Nastylee on May 30, 2016, 09:32:50 AM
But rumours like McCormack come from the age old myth that to be successful in the Championship you have to be some battle hardened warrior. People forget that most of the teams promoted in recent years have done so playing attractive flowing football that is of better quality than the bottom 10 PL sides. Buying Championship players is a sure fire way of ensuring you become a Championship team that never get past the play offs and there's plenty of examples of clubs like that.

You make a good point, except that if you flip it around then a team of Bournemouths' irk could be playing the slow build up game to death, but lacking in goals because they don't have that clinical target man to finish off the moves. You need a balance is all I'm saying, and depending on the team you are playing then a more direct style of play sometimes is a good idea too. Look at what Defoe did this year for Sunderland. Also, I don't see the issue with this idea that to be sucessful in a certain division that it helps to buy players who have a history of doing well in said divison. Not saying that you are sure fire to go up as result, but it must help, and besides if they do a job and get you promotion, the manager is still free to use the extra money to buy someone who might be more suitable for the top flight, but now I am getting ahead of myself!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on May 30, 2016, 12:10:02 PM: Quote from: Gregorys Boy on May 30, 2016, 11:42:41 AM
Quote from: Nastylee on May 30, 2016, 09:32:50 AM
But rumours like McCormack come from the age old myth that to be successful in the Championship you have to be some battle hardened warrior. People forget that most of the teams promoted in recent years have done so playing attractive flowing football that is of better quality than the bottom 10 PL sides. Buying Championship players is a sure fire way of ensuring you become a Championship team that never get past the play offs and there's plenty of examples of clubs like that.

You make a good point, except that if you flip it around then a team of Bournemouths' irk could be playing the slow build up game to death, but lacking in goals because they don't have that clinical target man to finish off the moves. You need a balance is all I'm saying, and depending on the team you are playing then a more direct style of play sometimes is a good idea too. Look at what Defoe did this year for Sunderland. Also, I don't see the issue with this idea that to be sucessful in a certain division that it helps to buy players who have a history of doing well in said divison. Not saying that you are sure fire to go up as result, but it must help, and besides if they do a job and get you promotion, the manager is still free to use the extra money to buy someone who might be more suitable for the top flight, but now I am getting ahead of myself!
In the championship a half decent keeper and a goalscorer will get you a long way.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SamTheMouse on May 30, 2016, 12:18:02 PM: The players who have done best in the Championship are presumably the ones who have only ever spent one season in it.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on May 30, 2016, 12:21:26 PM: Quote from: SamTheMouse on May 30, 2016, 12:18:02 PM
The players who have done best in the Championship are presumably the ones who have only ever spent one season in it.
The ideal balance we need is a few who have played in that league for a few seasons, a couple of decent Premiership players who may be looking for a fresh start, or to wind down (but still with the desire to keep on playing regularly and performing) and then decent youngsters. In recent years Villa haven't done balanced. We've done car crash to varying degrees of self destruction. Now is the time we need balance.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on May 30, 2016, 09:05:19 PM: I saw earlier were bidding for Robbie Brady apparently
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on May 30, 2016, 09:11:18 PM: If we are playing Gestede up top Brady is not a bad shout. Good delivery and works.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on May 30, 2016, 09:39:32 PM: On twitter said £7.5m
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve R on May 30, 2016, 10:44:59 PM: I wonder who made the bid. The new owner hasn't taken over yet, the old one is planning a trip to Vegas to try to get all his money back, most of the board cleared off weeks ago, there's no manager, a whole raft of other staff have been made redundant and every coherent member of the squad is talking feverishly to his agent. With Grealish not yet back from Toulon, my guess would be Gabby.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on May 30, 2016, 10:59:34 PM: Quote from: Steve R on May 30, 2016, 10:44:59 PM
I wonder who made the bid. The new owner hasn't taken over yet, the old one is planning a trip to Vegas to try to get all his money back, most of the board cleared off weeks ago, there's no manager, a whole raft of other staff have been made redundant and every coherent member of the squad is talking feverishly to his agent. With Grealish not yet back from Toulon, my guess would be Gabby.

Our Head Of Recruitment is still very much in situ.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on May 30, 2016, 11:03:37 PM: He played left back for Norwich. Can't see it myself.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on May 31, 2016, 01:11:59 AM: But he is one of those players who is probably too good for the championship and not really much better than lower mid table premiership.

As for proven championship players you ideally want the players who are just on that upward curve. Afobe, Wilson at Bournemouth are good examples. Grealish might be one for us next season, as might Veretout if they stay. Andre Grey for Burnley this season certainly. Young ish, but know the league, with some obvious potential.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sickbeggar on May 31, 2016, 07:23:40 AM: Don't want loads of young players coming in to be honest. One of the reasons we're in this mess is buying unproven young players with "potential". A few in the 27-30 age group please. Players that are established in the Championship or better still the PL. Especially in midfield where the absence of any leaders who could dominate the opposition last season was probably the main reason we went down. However bad the defence was or is, it didn't help that they were continually put under pressure by having a midfield that just let them walk through it.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Gregorys Boy on May 31, 2016, 10:04:40 AM: Quote from: sickbeggar on May 31, 2016, 07:23:40 AM
Don't want loads of young players coming in to be honest. One of the reasons we're in this mess is buying unproven young players with "potential". A few in the 27-30 age group please. Players that are established in the Championship or better still the PL. Especially in midfield where the absence of any leaders who could dominate the opposition last season was probably the main reason we went down. However bad the defence was or is, it didn't help that they were continually put under pressure by having a midfield that just let them walk through it.

Agreed. I think there are enough good prospects at the club now who with a bit of luck will grow in years to come, but we need to balance that out with those middle-ground players who are in their primem, have experience and who we could get at least two good seasons out of, while also phasing out the over the hill dead weight such as Richardson, Lescott etc...
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 31, 2016, 10:44:31 AM: Quote from: Ads on May 30, 2016, 11:03:37 PM
He played left back for Norwich. Can't see it myself.
Neither can I. He's got more chance of promotion with Norwich than with us.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on May 31, 2016, 12:12:58 PM: I'm not having that.

Norwich are said to need to shed a lot of players with issues with their ownership or something, so linking players away seems like and easy story to generate.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 31, 2016, 12:34:25 PM: Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 31, 2016, 10:44:31 AM
Quote from: Ads on May 30, 2016, 11:03:37 PM
He played left back for Norwich. Can't see it myself.
Neither can I. He's got more chance of promotion with Norwich than with us.

I bet he doesn't. Care to make a friendly wager that we finish above Norwich? We might both go back up but I'd argue as bleak as it looks now that by the time everything is in place and the season gets going we will be the better bet to go up.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on May 31, 2016, 01:15:37 PM: Norwich are in bad money trouble.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on May 31, 2016, 01:17:46 PM: We even beat Norwich in a season where we'd given up and approached the 12 months like a jolly boys outing. We will finish comfortably above them next season now.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Hookeysmith on May 31, 2016, 01:45:04 PM: And the only one of their lot I would entertain is Redmond

They were that bad collectively they made us look decent - FFS even Flabby scored against them
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: CT Villan on May 31, 2016, 01:56:07 PM: Quote from: sickbeggar on May 31, 2016, 07:23:40 AM
Don't want loads of young players coming in to be honest. One of the reasons we're in this mess is buying unproven young players with "potential". A few in the 27-30 age group please. Players that are established in the Championship or better still the PL. Especially in midfield where the absence of any leaders who could dominate the opposition last season was probably the main reason we went down. However bad the defence was or is, it didn't help that they were continually put under pressure by having a midfield that just let them walk through it.

Sounds like a good role for Stan Petrov...make him captain again and let him direct traffic from the center of the pitch. Of course, this assumes that his 36 year old body is up to physicalities of the Championship but there's no denying his desire and determination.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Hookeysmith on May 31, 2016, 02:03:43 PM: Quote from: CT Villan on May 31, 2016, 01:56:07 PM
Quote from: sickbeggar on May 31, 2016, 07:23:40 AM
Don't want loads of young players coming in to be honest. One of the reasons we're in this mess is buying unproven young players with "potential". A few in the 27-30 age group please. Players that are established in the Championship or better still the PL. Especially in midfield where the absence of any leaders who could dominate the opposition last season was probably the main reason we went down. However bad the defence was or is, it didn't help that they were continually put under pressure by having a midfield that just let them walk through it.

Sounds like a good role for Stan Petrov...make him captain again and let him direct traffic from the center of the pitch. Of course, this assumes that his 36 year old body is up to physicalities of the Championship but there's no denying his desire and determination.

I cannot see it myself but it would be one of the greatest footballing stories of all time if he could do it - even if he was on the bench and came on to close a game out as he knew how to put his foot in
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 31, 2016, 05:04:49 PM: Quote from: Toronto Villa on May 31, 2016, 12:34:25 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on May 31, 2016, 10:44:31 AM
Quote from: Ads on May 30, 2016, 11:03:37 PM
He played left back for Norwich. Can't see it myself.
Neither can I. He's got more chance of promotion with Norwich than with us.

I bet he doesn't. Care to make a friendly wager that we finish above Norwich? We might both go back up but I'd argue as bleak as it looks now that by the time everything is in place and the season gets going we will be the better bet to go up.
I do not bet. It is against my religion.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on May 31, 2016, 07:10:13 PM: You're a tightarseoligist too? Peace be upon you.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr woo on May 31, 2016, 08:04:46 PM: On the subject of Petrovs return, nice story as it would be, is it even actually permissible?

I recall the ex Liverpool player Mike Marsh retiring due to injury, then deciding to make a comeback sometime later, but because an insurance payout had been taken (either by the club or himself-not sure, perhaps this is the keyin Petrovs case) he was no longer allowed to play in the professional leagues.

In fact, from memory I think he became a semi-pro at Kiddie and when they gained promotion to the football league, he was duty bound to leave and find another elsewhere.

Perhaps the terms and conditions of Stans insurance claim (which I'm fairly sure was confirmed as activated) vary in case to case?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 31, 2016, 08:07:04 PM: Quote from: Ads on May 31, 2016, 07:10:13 PM
You're a tightarseoligist too? Peace be upon you.
Peace brother.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: DaveD on June 01, 2016, 12:43:44 AM: Quote from: mr woo on May 31, 2016, 08:04:46 PM
On the subject of Petrovs return, nice story as it would be, is it even actually permissible?

I recall the ex Liverpool player Mike Marsh retiring due to injury, then deciding to make a comeback sometime later, but because an insurance payout had been taken (either by the club or himself-not sure, perhaps this is the keyin Petrovs case) he was no longer allowed to play in the professional leagues.

In fact, from memory I think he became a semi-pro at Kiddie and when they gained promotion to the football league, he was duty bound to leave and find another elsewhere.

Perhaps the terms and conditions of Stans insurance claim (which I'm fairly sure was confirmed as activated) vary in case to case?

It depends who gets the insurance payment and who benefits from the return.

If Petrov retired as a Villa player and Villa are willing to repay the insurance payout, there's no problem.

In Marsh's case, he retired as a Southend player and tried to come back via Kidderminster Harriers. Not in Southend's interest, so either KH or Marsh himself have to find the money, and they couldn't.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ldavfc4eva on June 01, 2016, 07:22:48 AM: Didn't the Athletico Madrid keeper who played against us us years ago, Molina? Do a similar thing, retired with them but came back a year later with a different team, it's not unheard of.

I do think in Stans case it would be one hell of a come back though. But if he can do it then good for him and us.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on June 02, 2016, 11:05:36 PM: I wonder if there is anything in that Raul Meireles link from a few weeks back. Not only was his one season with Chelsea the one where Di Matteo won his trophies, but also spent eight months at Liverpool when Steve Clarke was assistant manager there.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 03, 2016, 12:06:18 AM: He'd be a very nice addition, still no club so hopefully those links to RDM and Clarke can lead to something happening.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on June 03, 2016, 12:09:39 AM: I think Westwood at Sheffield Wednesday would be a decent shout for keeper.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Monty on June 03, 2016, 12:21:13 AM: I'd like Meireles. Tough, experienced, and the kind of player who can help coaches get their ideas across to other players by providing an example to follow.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 03, 2016, 01:19:23 AM: Quote from: Monty on June 03, 2016, 12:21:13 AM
I'd like Meireles. Tough, experienced, and the kind of player who can help coaches get their ideas across to other players by providing an example to follow.

and a little bit mental looking and intimidating. I like that
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on June 03, 2016, 10:28:59 AM: Quote from: Monty on June 03, 2016, 12:21:13 AM
I'd like Meireles. Tough, experienced, and the kind of player who can help coaches get their ideas across to other players by providing an example to follow.

Would be a good partner for Gana in midfield, with Veretout or Grealish just in front of them.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 03, 2016, 10:38:41 AM: Quote from: Dave on June 02, 2016, 11:05:36 PM
I wonder if there is anything in that Raul Meireles link from a few weeks back. Not only was his one season with Chelsea the one where Di Matteo won his trophies, but also spent eight months at Liverpool when Steve Clarke was assistant manager there.

And on the same note....Matya Vydra.

Clarke took him to West Brom and also signed him for Reading. Lost his way a bit recently but was excellent for Watford in the league three seasons ago.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on June 03, 2016, 10:41:11 AM: Quote from: SoccerHQ on June 03, 2016, 10:38:41 AM
Quote from: Dave on June 02, 2016, 11:05:36 PM
I wonder if there is anything in that Raul Meireles link from a few weeks back. Not only was his one season with Chelsea the one where Di Matteo won his trophies, but also spent eight months at Liverpool when Steve Clarke was assistant manager there.

And on the same note....Matya Vydra.

Clarke took him to West Brom and also signed him for Reading. Lost his way a bit recently but was excellent for Watford in the league three seasons ago.

I think we've had more than our fair share of players who were excellent 3 seasons ago. We don't need more gambles and career resurrections.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oldtimernow on June 03, 2016, 10:47:26 AM: After the experience of Richards, no more resurrections please
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on June 03, 2016, 10:54:03 AM: Vydra is a quality little player. I would take Mareilles as well. And Robson Kanu on a free. All 3 better than what we will be left with in their positions
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: LeeB on June 03, 2016, 10:54:53 AM: Quote from: tomd2103 on June 03, 2016, 12:09:39 AM
I think Westwood at Sheffield Wednesday would be a decent shout for keeper.

It needed pointing out.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on June 03, 2016, 11:01:28 AM: Vydra is a really good shout. Busy little player who know's where the net is.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Stirchley Villain on June 03, 2016, 11:22:18 AM: Quote from: tomd2103 on June 03, 2016, 12:09:39 AM
I think Westwood at Sheffield Wednesday would be a decent shout for keeper.

I think Westwood at Wednesday as a midfielder would be even better.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 03, 2016, 11:25:35 AM: Quote from: ozzjim on June 03, 2016, 10:54:03 AM
Vydra is a quality little player. I would take Mareilles as well. And Robson Kanu on a free. All 3 better than what we will be left with in their positions

Robson Kanu going to Swansea on a free I think.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: OCD on June 03, 2016, 11:34:05 AM: There's a risk with any new signing so I don't see the point of scoffing at someone, especially when the new assistant manager will know him well and how to get the best out of him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on June 03, 2016, 11:36:15 AM: I thought he was excellent at Watford and was surprised he left. If someone can instil some confidence he's be a good acquisition.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on June 03, 2016, 11:57:05 AM: Don't these transfers nearly always turn out shit for us?

Player has had a couple of poor seasons, looked quality, just needs confidence..... comes here, does fuck all, drains the wage bill, leaves for nothing.

We could do with a few players on the up, not on the down.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on June 03, 2016, 12:16:49 PM: Quote from: aj2k77 on June 03, 2016, 11:57:05 AM
Don't these transfers nearly always turn out shit for us?

Player has had a couple of poor seasons, looked quality, just needs confidence..... comes here, does fuck all, drains the wage bill, leaves for nothing.

We could do with a few players on the up, not on the down.

I can't imagine Vydra 'draining the wage bill' somehow.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Walmley_Villa on June 03, 2016, 06:08:14 PM: Rudi Justhead off to Portugal apparently - up to £7m to Sporting Lisbon..
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on June 03, 2016, 06:15:07 PM: Bite. Proverbial. Hand. Off.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on June 03, 2016, 06:55:19 PM: Fleetwood have dispensed with the services of Shola Ameobi. Wouldn't it be funny if........no it would not!!!!!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on June 03, 2016, 06:56:22 PM: Quote from: Walmley_Villa on June 03, 2016, 06:08:14 PM
Rudi Justhead off to Portugal apparently - up to £7m to Sporting Lisbon..
I like Rudy. I think he'll score goals for us at Champ level but 7 million? I'll drive him there myself.
I'd also take 14 mill for Amavi. He'll be a bloody good player one day but that's a huge fee. We have to turn a profit on certain players when we get a chance.

I will be curious to see what kind of players RDM will go for.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Nunkin1965 on June 03, 2016, 07:07:11 PM: Yeah. A new perspective now. Clearly there'll be a far better squad come kick off time in August. A lot of new faces I think. I don't think anyone is indispensable anymore.

Fresh sets of eyes on the whole squad and with such a solid and strong management team in place there will be nowhere to hide for certain players.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 03, 2016, 07:48:54 PM: Quote from: Walmley_Villa on June 03, 2016, 06:08:14 PM
Rudi Justhead off to Portugal apparently - up to £7m to Sporting Lisbon..

Wishful thinking? Nothing in the papers here but Sporting will have money to spend once they sell Slimani to Leicester or Juventus.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on June 03, 2016, 07:52:29 PM: Quote from: Stirchley Villain on June 03, 2016, 11:22:18 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on June 03, 2016, 12:09:39 AM
I think Westwood at Sheffield Wednesday would be a decent shout for keeper.

I think Westwood at Wednesday as a midfielder would be even better.

probably be better in goal than in midfield
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: LeeB on June 03, 2016, 08:08:25 PM: Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on June 03, 2016, 07:48:54 PM
Quote from: Walmley_Villa on June 03, 2016, 06:08:14 PM
Rudi Justhead off to Portugal apparently - up to £7m to Sporting Lisbon..

Wishful thinking? Nothing in the papers here but Sporting will have money to spend once they sell Slimani to Leicester or Juventus.

If it were to happen, you just know he'd score 30 goals and get sold to Bayern for about £40m the following summer.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on June 03, 2016, 08:22:05 PM: Rather keep him. He's a proven goal scorer at this level and there are other players in the exit queue ahead of him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on June 03, 2016, 08:30:08 PM: Quote from: supertom on June 03, 2016, 06:56:22 PM
Quote from: Walmley_Villa on June 03, 2016, 06:08:14 PM
Rudi Justhead off to Portugal apparently - up to £7m to Sporting Lisbon..
I like Rudy. I think he'll score goals for us at Champ level but 7 million? I'll drive him there myself.
I'd also take 14 mill for Amavi. He'll be a bloody good player one day but that's a huge fee. We have to turn a profit on certain players when we get a chance.

I will be curious to see what kind of players RDM will go for.

Have I missed something? Who's offered £14M for Amavi?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on June 03, 2016, 08:31:26 PM: Robson Kanu is a good shout. I think Reading have a decent centre back too but I can't recall his name.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Des Little on June 03, 2016, 08:34:15 PM: I'd take Steven Taylor on a free. He'd do a job at this level.

*Ducks for cover*
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 03, 2016, 08:38:35 PM: Quote from: Des Little on June 03, 2016, 08:34:15 PM
I'd take Steven Taylor on a free. He'd do a job at this level.

*Ducks for cover*

Top notch banter Des.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on June 03, 2016, 09:21:28 PM: Quote from: Villa in Denmark on June 03, 2016, 08:30:08 PM
Quote from: supertom on June 03, 2016, 06:56:22 PM
Quote from: Walmley_Villa on June 03, 2016, 06:08:14 PM
Rudi Justhead off to Portugal apparently - up to £7m to Sporting Lisbon..
I like Rudy. I think he'll score goals for us at Champ level but 7 million? I'll drive him there myself.
I'd also take 14 mill for Amavi. He'll be a bloody good player one day but that's a huge fee. We have to turn a profit on certain players when we get a chance.

I will be curious to see what kind of players RDM will go for.

Have I missed something? Who's offered £14M for Amavi?
Liverpool are sniffing round apparently. It was on t'internet so it must be true. I could see Klopp turning him into a hell of a player to be fair.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: OCD on June 03, 2016, 09:28:18 PM: Quote from: Ads on June 03, 2016, 08:22:05 PM
Rather keep him. He's a proven goal scorer at this level and there are other players in the exit queue ahead of him.

£7m would go along way towards replacing him with someone who can score at this level and the next.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Stirchley Villain on June 03, 2016, 09:43:27 PM: Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on June 03, 2016, 07:52:29 PM
Quote from: Stirchley Villain on June 03, 2016, 11:22:18 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on June 03, 2016, 12:09:39 AM
I think Westwood at Sheffield Wednesday would be a decent shout for keeper.

I think Westwood at Wednesday as a midfielder would be even better.

probably be better in goal than in midfield

Whoosh...
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 03, 2016, 09:46:12 PM: Quote from: OCD on June 03, 2016, 09:28:18 PM
Quote from: Ads on June 03, 2016, 08:22:05 PM
Rather keep him. He's a proven goal scorer at this level and there are other players in the exit queue ahead of him.

£7m would go along way towards replacing him with someone who can score at this level and the next.

Gestede reminds me of Bent; they have one or two aspects that they're great at but the rest of their game is awful, consequently you have to build the team around them to compensate/compliment their strengths/weaknesses. Like Bent, I do not think Gestede is good enough to justify that level of faith. He's useful off the bench, but that's about it.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on June 03, 2016, 10:03:28 PM: Quote from: Dante Lavelli on June 03, 2016, 09:46:12 PM
Quote from: OCD on June 03, 2016, 09:28:18 PM
Quote from: Ads on June 03, 2016, 08:22:05 PM
Rather keep him. He's a proven goal scorer at this level and there are other players in the exit queue ahead of him.

£7m would go along way towards replacing him with someone who can score at this level and the next.

Gestede reminds me of Bent; they have one or two aspects that they're great at but the rest of their game is awful, consequently you have to build the team around them to compensate/compliment their strengths/weaknesses. Like Bent, I do not think Gestede is good enough to justify that level of faith. He's useful off the bench, but that's about it.

Agree and I think if we can get £7m for him we should jump at the chance.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on June 03, 2016, 10:08:37 PM: Useful off the pitch? Changing light bulbs maybe?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on June 03, 2016, 10:18:43 PM: If I can get 7 millions for Rudy, I would sell him. If we can get rid of Richards, Lescott, Guzan, Branca, Agbonlahor, Richardson as well it would be even better We need to reinvent Aston Villa.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Des Little on June 03, 2016, 10:49:53 PM: I'd purge the lot of them. Fire sale...all sensible offers considered.

It's time for a fresh start.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on June 03, 2016, 11:27:02 PM: Making a profit on any of these players would be astonishing. If we can we have to take it, because much as I want rid of Gabby, Lescott, Richards, Bacuna etc, some of the more stinking, festering piles of dung aren't going to have any takers. I know Dr Tony has promised cash to spend, but we'd be silly not to turn a profit when/where we can, and there's not one single player who is even close to being indispensable.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: themossman on June 03, 2016, 11:48:03 PM: Quote from: Stirchley Villain on June 03, 2016, 09:43:27 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on June 03, 2016, 07:52:29 PM
Quote from: Stirchley Villain on June 03, 2016, 11:22:18 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on June 03, 2016, 12:09:39 AM
I think Westwood at Sheffield Wednesday would be a decent shout for keeper.

I think Westwood at Wednesday as a midfielder would be even better.

probably be better in goal than in midfield

Whoosh...

Where's the whoosh? He's agreeing with you, that Ashley Westwood is a poor midfielder, isn't he?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VancouverLion on June 04, 2016, 05:27:23 AM: I like Rudy one of a very select few I'd like to keep. For next season anyway.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on June 04, 2016, 07:07:35 AM: yes, but if someone actually offered £7m you'd sell him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SamTheMouse on June 04, 2016, 07:22:19 AM: If we played with width and someone who who can actually cross, Gestede would probably score a fair few. Depends if we sign the players to get the most out of him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 04, 2016, 07:49:15 AM: Quote from: SamTheMouse on June 04, 2016, 07:22:19 AM
If we played with width and someone who who can actually cross, Gestede would probably score a fair few. Depends if we sign the players to get the most out of him.

That's the Bent scenario I mentioned earlier. Is he really that good in the air that we have to shape the whole team to optimise his one strength?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on June 04, 2016, 08:07:40 AM: Quote from: Des Little on June 03, 2016, 10:49:53 PM
I'd purge the lot of them. Fire sale...all sensible offers considered.

It's time for a fresh start.

exactly this

if and its a big if, we get offers for the likes of justhead, westwood, bacuna etc they need to be be fucked off even if we take a loss

we need to be looking longer term and when we get promoted they would have to be gotten rid of as they are nowhere near pl standard so may as well do the culling now
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on June 04, 2016, 08:32:53 AM: Just read Liverpool have already contacted Amavi's agent. Can we have benteke back?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ldavfc4eva on June 04, 2016, 08:39:14 AM: If the right offer came in for any of the squad I say sell them , there isn't a single one of them I'd be desperate to hold on to.

If we sell Rudy for £7m then we have made a profit on him, get rid and put it towards a more all round forward player rather than a one trick pony. Get Crouch if possible and then use the rest of the cash in other areas of the pitch if need be.

I think the squad we have now will look totally different come the start of the season, but I have a feeling that a few of the ones we want rid of will still be here, Gabby being one of them. Fingers crossed I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: old man villa fan on June 04, 2016, 09:20:49 AM: Usually you need some continuity with players and we are no exception, regardless of last season. I do not understand people saying we should sell anyone we get an offer for. Surely, we should be looking to do our best to hang on to the better players as at least we know the minimum they are capable of.

On the other side, I don't understand people saying we will be stuck with this player or that player. If you want it badly enough, you make it happen.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Nastylee on June 04, 2016, 09:46:14 AM: Whilst we may want to get rid of people, I don't think selling anyone and everyone at a loss is the answer. We always seems to sell cheap (except for the good players we lost post MON). There are players that are toxic and those that are perhaps not good enough for us down the line. Yes, if the toxic ones get an offer then take it but selling players on the cheap for the sake of it isn't an answer. The likes of Westwood could be useful in the Championship so I'd not be in a rush to get rid. Look at Lowton, good player that was moved on because he was deemed crap (for me, he was decent but was at the club at the wrong time) yet he's a PL player and we're in the Championship.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on June 04, 2016, 11:29:08 AM: If only we could get the Richards from him Man City and England days. To see him and Amavi marauding from full back would be pretty useful in any division. Sadly, I think he's done.

Great to be back talking more positively about transfers again!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on June 04, 2016, 11:42:01 AM: Quote from: Nastylee on June 04, 2016, 09:46:14 AM
Whilst we may want to get rid of people, I don't think selling anyone and everyone at a loss is the answer. We always seems to sell cheap (except for the good players we lost post MON). There are players that are toxic and those that are perhaps not good enough for us down the line. Yes, if the toxic ones get an offer then take it but selling players on the cheap for the sake of it isn't an answer. The likes of Westwood could be useful in the Championship so I'd not be in a rush to get rid. Look at Lowton, good player that was moved on because he was deemed crap (for me, he was decent but was at the club at the wrong time) yet he's a PL player and we're in the Championship.

the thing with westwood is he might do a job in the championship but he is nowhere near good enough for the pl.

if we get an offer of a couple of million fuck him off and he can go and point at another club
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: old man villa fan on June 04, 2016, 12:11:52 PM: Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on June 04, 2016, 11:42:01 AM
Quote from: Nastylee on June 04, 2016, 09:46:14 AM
Whilst we may want to get rid of people, I don't think selling anyone and everyone at a loss is the answer. We always seems to sell cheap (except for the good players we lost post MON). There are players that are toxic and those that are perhaps not good enough for us down the line. Yes, if the toxic ones get an offer then take it but selling players on the cheap for the sake of it isn't an answer. The likes of Westwood could be useful in the Championship so I'd not be in a rush to get rid. Look at Lowton, good player that was moved on because he was deemed crap (for me, he was decent but was at the club at the wrong time) yet he's a PL player and we're in the Championship.

the thing with westwood is he might do a job in the championship but he is nowhere near good enough for the pl.

if we get an offer of a couple of million fuck him off and he can go and point at another club

He is not the driving force we need. Would be ok as a reserve but he is one PL wages, so and expensive luxury. We need to move him on.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 04, 2016, 12:13:24 PM: Selling players is easier said than done. There has to be a buyer first who is willing to pay a few and then absorb the wages of a player formerly of the PL. If we find a PL buyer then great, but then the challenge will be that the players we want to sell hardly did themselves any favours at that level last season. And getting a player who is on a very good salary to just go away isn't going to happen. What we can't have is a bomb squad distraction and neither can we have a situation that if Bacuna or Richards is still here in August the fans giving them abuse. It simply won't help the situation and our ultimate goal of getting promoted.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: old man villa fan on June 04, 2016, 12:25:15 PM: Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 04, 2016, 12:13:24 PM
Selling players is easier said than done. There has to be a buyer first who is willing to pay a few and then absorb the wages of a player formerly of the PL. If we find a PL buyer then great, but then the challenge will be that the players we want to sell hardly did themselves any favours at that level last season. And getting a player who is on a very good salary to just go away isn't going to happen. What we can't have is a bomb squad distraction and neither can we have a situation that if Bacuna or Richards is still here in August the fans giving them abuse. It simply won't help the situation and our ultimate goal of getting promoted.

There is always a way to get rid of a player. At the one extreme is to just pay him off. At the other, you get the market rate for the player. In the case of somebody like Westwood now, you are looking at the middle ground where we make a financial offer for him to accept lower wages elsewhere. How much that would be will depend on any relegation clause in his contract. I would imagine that we might break even on the deal but going forward, we could gain by bringing in a better up and coming player at a lower cost in wages.

Although nothing is easy, if you want to make it work, you will always find a way. We cannot allow short term thinking to put at risk building a squad to get promoted.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: in exile on June 04, 2016, 12:50:27 PM: I'm sure Burnley were interested in Westwood
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KevinGage on June 04, 2016, 01:08:35 PM: Quote from: Newby on June 04, 2016, 11:29:08 AM
If only we could get the Richards from him Man City and England days. To see him and Amavi marauding from full back would be pretty useful in any division. Sadly, I think he's done.

Great to be back talking more positively about transfers again!

He has some outstanding attributes, ie pace and strength. And the belief was there a few years back that the other stuff (positional sense/ allround awareness) would come in time. But it never did. Citeh eventually clocked that and Fiorentina clocked it pretty much straight away.

He might still get away with that somewhere as a pacy fullback, but not as a regular centre-half - his favoured position.

He'll do things during games that look good in the highlights -it's always dramatic to see a centre half charging up field to link up play and join in attacks. For the elite sides, it probably makes the difference between the good teams and the great ones.

Maybe that was part of Sherwood's thinking.

But you need to be able to do the basics first. In Richard's case, that is actually reading the game. Rather than just charging around like a Bullmastiff. In Sherwood's case, it's doing boring things like planning and having a proper pre season.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve R on June 04, 2016, 01:26:55 PM: Quote from: in exile on June 04, 2016, 12:50:27 PM
I'm sure Burnley were interested in Westwood

I read that in a few places too. We probably told them to fuck off. He's our best pointer.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on June 04, 2016, 01:39:15 PM: Thing is Westwood will be useful next season. Selling him means another one to replace. Sure next summer if we come up we can go for better but this summer we need to be careful not to just flog everything that moves.

The ones who openly want to go fine. The ones who we get big offers that will be too hard for the player to refuse fine. But those who will do a good job in that division we should keep.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brontebilly on June 04, 2016, 01:58:10 PM: Quote from: tomd2103 on June 03, 2016, 12:09:39 AM
I think Westwood at Sheffield Wednesday would be a decent shout for keeper.

He is a fine shot stopper and great one on one. For a big unit though very shy on his line when crosses come in I've noticed. Has had a lot of injuries during his career so we would need a decent second choice keeper at the club.

Being rumoured in Ireland that he could be parachuted in as first choice for the Euros which would be quite the turnaround after a difficult relationship with MON going back to his Sunderland days.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Monty on June 04, 2016, 02:07:29 PM: I agree with Ozz about Westwood. Continuity is important, and Westwood will probably be fine in the Championship. He also doesn't strike me as a bad 'un, unlike the likes of Gabby, so there's no reason for him to go on that sort of basis.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ger Regan on June 04, 2016, 02:08:32 PM: Quote from: Monty on June 04, 2016, 02:07:29 PM
I agree with Ozz about Westwood. Continuity is important, and Westwood will probably be fine in the Championship. He also doesn't strike me as a bad 'un, unlike the likes of Gabby, so there's no reason for him to go on that sort of basis.
Agreed. He's fine for where we are, but not for where we want to be. There are a number of positions that are a greater priority.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on June 04, 2016, 02:59:05 PM: Westwood makes a great sub, he can sit next to the manager pointing out everything that's wrong.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Des Little on June 04, 2016, 03:08:25 PM: Quote from: in exile on June 04, 2016, 12:50:27 PM
I'm sure Burnley were interested in Westwood

Start the car
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Bottom Right 89 on June 04, 2016, 03:55:24 PM: Im fed up of all the Westwood critics, he's a decent lad just struggles for confidence hopefully a drop down a division and potentially playing in a winning team will see him grow as a player. One of the only ones who looked like he gave a toss last season so for that alone he should keep his place in the new Villa side.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on June 04, 2016, 03:56:10 PM: And I'm fed up of Westwood being shit.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 04, 2016, 04:24:24 PM: Quote from: Bottom Right 89 on June 04, 2016, 03:55:24 PM
Im fed up of all the Westwood critics, he's a decent lad just struggles for confidence hopefully a drop down a division and potentially playing in a winning team will see him grow as a player. One of the only ones who looked like he gave a toss last season so for that alone he should keep his place in the new Villa side.

I think there are plenty more deserving of stick for the way they behaved than him but "giving a toss" has to stop being enough to get you into our side
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 04, 2016, 04:32:34 PM: I'd just like to say that I think £20m for a 29 year old after one very good top flight season is a bit mental. Not a Villa related transfer I know but just makes me think how crazy things are now, imo.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 04, 2016, 04:52:51 PM: It's nuts and now Arsenal have to find a way suit Vardy's strengths. Hodgson is already doing a superb job of proving that picking Vardy isn't enough of you don't play a style that suits him. Good or Leicester for cashing in though but desperate by Arsenal in my opinion.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ian. on June 04, 2016, 04:59:06 PM: 20M is not much money for the likes of Arsenal though. I actually think he'll score goals there too.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 04, 2016, 05:04:36 PM: £20 million is decent for him. He was one of the top goalscorers overall and one of the star players of a team that has just won the league.

29 is the new 26 anyway, players look after themselves better these days.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on June 04, 2016, 05:07:55 PM: Quote from: Bottom Right 89 on June 04, 2016, 03:55:24 PM
Im fed up of all the Westwood critics, he's a decent lad just struggles for confidence hopefully a drop down a division and potentially playing in a winning team will see him grow as a player. One of the only ones who looked like he gave a toss last season so for that alone he should keep his place in the new Villa side.

id give a toss if i was lucky enough to play for our great club

westwood is probably a lovely bloke but he has critics because he is rubbish
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on June 04, 2016, 05:08:22 PM: and to think that this time last year we were being linked to Vardy
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: CJ on June 04, 2016, 05:20:59 PM: Don't think Vardy will fit in at Arsenal at all. He thrived on Leicester playing quick, direct, counter-attacking football where Vardy could find lots of space quickly. Arsenal's propensity is for million pass build ups through the eye of a needle. Should have stayed as big fish in a smaller pond - Leicester have got Chumps League football after all
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: chrisw1 on June 04, 2016, 05:21:19 PM: He'll score shitloads. What's 20m to a club like Arsenal if he helps win them a trophy or two?

I think it's a great buy and I wish him well. With that said, it's a sad indictment of the modern game that the champions can't keep their team together for one season to have another go and a punt at the Champs league.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 04, 2016, 05:26:39 PM: Quote from: CJ on June 04, 2016, 05:20:59 PM
Don't think Vardy will fit in at Arsenal at all. He thrived on Leicester playing quick, direct, counter-attacking football where Vardy could find lots of space quickly. Arsenal's propensity is for million pass build ups through the eye of a needle. Should have stayed as big fish in a smaller pond - Leicester have got Chumps League football after all

I agree. When you look at Walcott or Oxlade Chamberlain, they are only really effective on the break. During Arsenal's regular play the pitch gets squeezed into the final third and they will often try to out pass opponents in order to score. Vardy is good player but for me he was better off staying at Leicester because they will always play to his strengths. And now Vardy has gone Mahrez can't be far behind. Even Kante
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 04, 2016, 05:26:46 PM: The posts by Ian and CD are what I mean about how mental it is now, I don't mean that in a bad way about you 2 btw! But £20m isn't much for Arsenal, and it's a decent price. Both are pretty much true but I think it's a sign of 'modern football' that the 4th highest fee Arsenal have ever paid is now considered not much to them. And it's a decent price for a bloke that in his first season in the top flight scored the same number of goals (despite playing more games) as the crap Rudy Gestede did for us this season. And at 29 has had only one good, admittedly very good!, top flight season in his career.

Admittedly it might just be me that is thinking it's a bit mental.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Gareth on June 04, 2016, 05:43:16 PM: Vardy will struggle to get as many goals in that Arsenal side as Giroud has this year, he'll get a few being slipped in behind by Ozil & Wilshire but he won't have the kick and rush that he has thrived upon this yr at Leicester

As for Westwood, not a problem with him staying, big problem if he remains our set piece taker as he is without doubt the worst I can remember
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Rudy65 on June 04, 2016, 05:51:26 PM: Quote from: Bottom Right 89 on June 04, 2016, 03:55:24 PM
Im fed up of all the Westwood critics, he's a decent lad just struggles for confidence hopefully a drop down a division and potentially playing in a winning team will see him grow as a player. One of the only ones who looked like he gave a toss last season so for that alone he should keep his place in the new Villa side.

How many games does he need to get confident? Im sure he is a great bloke but he is a average footballer. Oh and he does point a lot and delivers terrible corners
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Rudy65 on June 04, 2016, 05:54:17 PM: Quote from: Gareth on June 04, 2016, 05:43:16 PM
Vardy will struggle to get as many goals in that Arsenal side as Giroud has this year, he'll get a few being slipped in behind by Ozil & Wilshire but he won't have the kick and rush that he has thrived upon this yr at Leicester

As for Westwood, not a problem with him staying, big problem if he remains our set piece taker as he is without doubt the worst I can remember

Vardy at nearly 30 will want to be a guaranteed starter which with Sanchez in the side isnt going to happen. Could go the way of Ricki Lambert in terms of a career ending move
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: old man villa fan on June 04, 2016, 06:02:07 PM: Quote from: Rudy65 on June 04, 2016, 05:51:26 PM
Quote from: Bottom Right 89 on June 04, 2016, 03:55:24 PM
Im fed up of all the Westwood critics, he's a decent lad just struggles for confidence hopefully a drop down a division and potentially playing in a winning team will see him grow as a player. One of the only ones who looked like he gave a toss last season so for that alone he should keep his place in the new Villa side.

How many games does he need to get confident? Im sure he is a great bloke but he is a average footballer. Oh and he does point a lot and delivers terrible corners

Agree 100% with you. Westwood plays in a position where he has to be involved in the game all of the time but he goes missing. He is too weak for this position and does not have the pace to play further forward or wide. His energy levels are very low.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: OCD on June 04, 2016, 06:59:22 PM: Vardy thrived knowing that the ball would be played into him early so I don't know why Arsenal are after him. You see some of the analysis of him playing for England and he starts to make a run, the ball isn't played to him and he's left frustrated with the tactics.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 04, 2016, 07:43:32 PM: Quote from: Gareth on June 04, 2016, 05:43:16 PM
Vardy will struggle to get as many goals in that Arsenal side as Giroud has this year, he'll get a few being slipped in behind by Ozil & Wilshire but he won't have the kick and rush that he has thrived upon this yr at Leicester

I hope we soon have a striker that struggles to 24 goals. I rate Giroud but appear to be in a minority as both arsenal and french fans give him shit. I see your point though, as teams defend so deep it is hard for the strikers to shine in Arsenal's system, conversely the attacking midfielders making runs from slightly deeper should have a field day.

On a slight tangent, but I think it is poor form of Arsenal to make this bid - and it become public - just before the Euros.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on June 04, 2016, 07:52:22 PM: Leicester winning the title made me like football a bit more again (generally, whilst simultaneously being more miserablist than ever as a Villa fan). It would just be so shitty to see Vardy sod off to Arsenal. He won't win the title there for certain and he'll struggle there. I don't think he's technically good enough for them and I can see him struggling to live up to the price tag. He should stick with Leicester.
But how crap would it be for Leicester, having won the league so convincingly, to still get bullied by the bigger boys and robbed of their best players. Fuck off Arsenal. Just fuck right off. Hopefully Vardy will see sense and enjoy playing for Leicester for at least another season, and in the champions league. If I were a Leicester player I'd want to be going into the Champs league looking to pull off more surprises.

Once again...fuck off Arsenal. Leave them alone. Shithouse of a club.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Gareth on June 04, 2016, 08:45:21 PM: Quote from: Dante Lavelli on June 04, 2016, 07:43:32 PM
Quote from: Gareth on June 04, 2016, 05:43:16 PM
Vardy will struggle to get as many goals in that Arsenal side as Giroud has this year, he'll get a few being slipped in behind by Ozil & Wilshire but he won't have the kick and rush that he has thrived upon this yr at Leicester

I hope we soon have a striker that struggles to 24 goals. I rate Giroud but appear to be in a minority as both arsenal and french fans give him shit. I see your point though, as teams defend so deep it is hard for the strikers to shine in Arsenal's system, conversely the attacking midfielders making runs from slightly deeper should have a field day.

On a slight tangent, but I think it is poor form of Arsenal to make this bid - and it become public - just before the Euros.

It happened to us, it happened to Everton when they looked like breaking through - the so called big clubs raid when they feel threatened - Vardy will just be the first, Kante & Mahrez will def be targets, wouldn't be surprised if Schmeichel ends up at Old Trafford if De Gea finally goes to Real.

My point on Vardy is that his work rate and chasing of lost causes earnt so many goals, Arse only want to score the perfect goal so he'll be running on a road to nowhere most of the time.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on June 04, 2016, 08:47:36 PM: Quote from: Gareth on June 04, 2016, 08:45:21 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on June 04, 2016, 07:43:32 PM
Quote from: Gareth on June 04, 2016, 05:43:16 PM
Vardy will struggle to get as many goals in that Arsenal side as Giroud has this year, he'll get a few being slipped in behind by Ozil & Wilshire but he won't have the kick and rush that he has thrived upon this yr at Leicester

I hope we soon have a striker that struggles to 24 goals. I rate Giroud but appear to be in a minority as both arsenal and french fans give him shit. I see your point though, as teams defend so deep it is hard for the strikers to shine in Arsenal's system, conversely the attacking midfielders making runs from slightly deeper should have a field day.

On a slight tangent, but I think it is poor form of Arsenal to make this bid - and it become public - just before the Euros.

It happened to us, it happened to Everton when they looked like breaking through - the so called big clubs raid when they feel threatened - Vardy will just be the first, Kante & Mahrez will def be targets, wouldn't be surprised if Schmeichel ends up at Old Trafford if De Gea finally goes to Real.

My point on Vardy is that his work rate and chasing of lost causes earnt so many goals, Arse only want to score the perfect goal so he'll be running on a road to nowhere most of the time.

It happened to Southampton as well.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on June 04, 2016, 08:55:22 PM: Quote from: old man villa fan on June 04, 2016, 06:02:07 PM
Quote from: Rudy65 on June 04, 2016, 05:51:26 PM
Quote from: Bottom Right 89 on June 04, 2016, 03:55:24 PM
Im fed up of all the Westwood critics, he's a decent lad just struggles for confidence hopefully a drop down a division and potentially playing in a winning team will see him grow as a player. One of the only ones who looked like he gave a toss last season so for that alone he should keep his place in the new Villa side.

How many games does he need to get confident? Im sure he is a great bloke but he is a average footballer. Oh and he does point a lot and delivers terrible corners

Agree 100% with you. Westwood plays in a position where he has to be involved in the game all of the time but he goes missing. He is too weak for this position and does not have the pace to play further forward or widje. His energy levels are very low.

agree that westwoods biggest problem is the total lack of physicality in his game

i lost count of the number of times last season when the opposition just rolled off him and got in behind

i level the same critisism at gestede for such a big bloke he ought to be battering the fuck out of centre halves

chuck bacuna into the mix and you have one of the main reasons we went down

let them all go (easier said than done) because moving forward they have no place at the club
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Zouch Villa on June 04, 2016, 09:03:37 PM: Quote from: old man villa fan on June 04, 2016, 06:02:07 PM
Quote from: Rudy65 on June 04, 2016, 05:51:26 PM
Quote from: Bottom Right 89 on June 04, 2016, 03:55:24 PM
Im fed up of all the Westwood critics, he's a decent lad just struggles for confidence hopefully a drop down a division and potentially playing in a winning team will see him grow as a player. One of the only ones who looked like he gave a toss last season so for that alone he should keep his place in the new Villa side.

How many games does he need to get confident? Im sure he is a great bloke but he is a average footballer. Oh and he does point a lot and delivers terrible corners

Agree 100% with you. Westwood plays in a position where he has to be involved in the game all of the time but he goes missing. He is too weak for this position and does not have the pace to play further forward or wide. His energy levels are very low.

I've very much been a critic of Westwood, and I'm truly sick of his wafty floaty corners after this season, but I still have a sneaking feeling that there could still be a half decent player there somewhere.

With some proper coaching, and a decent leader on the pitch alongside him (someone like Petrov) and I think he could still be of use. I may be clutching at straws, and my opinions have softened two weeks into the close season, but there are players more deserving of a shove through exit doors than Ashley.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on June 04, 2016, 09:06:41 PM: Westwood - I like him and think he could do well on a better midfield where he could just link play and occasionally get forward. Do the donkey work.

Vardy - Hard to say what he'll do. At 29 he could think it's he last shot at one of the big clubs. But because he's 29 he may be experienced enough to realise that he could just be their new Grancis Jeffers. Arsenal won't change for him but they do also play on the counter - look at Henry - so Wenger would get the best out of him. He's now an England international, going to a major finals, playing for the league champions, and in the Champa league. Other than potentially money and prestige what could Arsenal offer?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Exeter 77 on June 04, 2016, 09:14:11 PM: Westwood is not the all around midfielder as he is too lightweight but thst doesn't mean he can't be an asset. He is definitely not a defensive player so should be played a bit further forward to make better use if his passing ability which is something successive managers have failed to do.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on June 04, 2016, 09:28:24 PM: Quote from: Exeter 77 on June 04, 2016, 09:14:11 PM
Westwood is not the all around midfielder as he is too lightweight but thst doesn't mean he can't be an asset. He is definitely not a defensive player so should be played a bit further forward to make better use if his passing ability which is something successive managers have failed to do.

Not quick enough in the head to play further forward.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on June 04, 2016, 09:53:07 PM: Quote from: aj2k77 on June 04, 2016, 09:28:24 PM
Quote from: Exeter 77 on June 04, 2016, 09:14:11 PM
Westwood is not the all around midfielder as he is too lightweight but thst doesn't mean he can't be an asset. He is definitely not a defensive player so should be played a bit further forward to make better use if his passing ability which is something successive managers have failed to do.

Not quick enough in the head to play further forward.

He'd be fine on the right side of a middle two in a 4-4-2 or on the right side of the diamond with over-lapping full-backs.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on June 04, 2016, 10:51:50 PM: Respectfully disagree. Let's hope we have the time and money to plug a lot of the holes this summer. We can hide him in a better team with better players and definitely replace him and move him on when we are back in the top league.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on June 04, 2016, 11:02:01 PM: He's good enough to keep for the Championship. If we can get better then fair enough but we can't go into the new season with 11 new starters so certain positions and players, need to be maintained for continuity. We're likely to still see Hutton, Clark, maybe Lescott, Westwood, Grealish, possibly even Gabby next season its who we put around them. For example, If we had:

Hart

Hutton
Clark/Lescott
Cahill
Rose

Dier
Westwood
Mahrez
Grealish

Gabby
Kane

last season we'd be unlikely to go down. Its who you fit around players that will important next season not necessarily those that will be left.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on June 04, 2016, 11:07:42 PM: Westwood is one of the reasons we are a championship side. Replace him please. Let him go to a Blackburn or a Rotherham. If we want to get back up in one season, he will not get us there. Even if he did, he won't keep us there!

Can we take the Vardy shit to other football please. Arrogant spiky nosed little runt of a man.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 04, 2016, 11:09:57 PM: I agree, Westwood is part of our losing culture here and needs to be moved on sooner rather than later. I'm not holding my breath he's going to be a midfield star in the championship.

Think he's been massively found out without D*lph's energy and athleticism alongside him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 04, 2016, 11:16:39 PM: Quote from: tomd2103 on June 04, 2016, 08:47:36 PM
Quote from: Gareth on June 04, 2016, 08:45:21 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on June 04, 2016, 07:43:32 PM
Quote from: Gareth on June 04, 2016, 05:43:16 PM
Vardy will struggle to get as many goals in that Arsenal side as Giroud has this year, he'll get a few being slipped in behind by Ozil & Wilshire but he won't have the kick and rush that he has thrived upon this yr at Leicester

I hope we soon have a striker that struggles to 24 goals. I rate Giroud but appear to be in a minority as both arsenal and french fans give him shit. I see your point though, as teams defend so deep it is hard for the strikers to shine in Arsenal's system, conversely the attacking midfielders making runs from slightly deeper should have a field day.

On a slight tangent, but I think it is poor form of Arsenal to make this bid - and it become public - just before the Euros.

It happened to us, it happened to Everton when they looked like breaking through - the so called big clubs raid when they feel threatened - Vardy will just be the first, Kante & Mahrez will def be targets, wouldn't be surprised if Schmeichel ends up at Old Trafford if De Gea finally goes to Real.

My point on Vardy is that his work rate and chasing of lost causes earnt so many goals, Arse only want to score the perfect goal so he'll be running on a road to nowhere most of the time.

It happened to Southampton as well.

I'm not surprised by the fact that bigger clubs are bidding, it's the timing of it. Vardy will now be focus of unnecessary media speculation throughout the Euros.

Regardless, I've thought a bit more about it and come to the conclusion that it is not in the interest of either Arsenal or Leicester to leak the bid so the news can only have come from Vardy - in which case he is a dick.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: AGRIPPA on June 05, 2016, 12:44:11 AM: What can Westwood do in he Championship that he couldn't do in the Premiership?

He is a poor footballer, better than me ...but that's not hard.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on June 05, 2016, 01:28:11 AM: Quote from: peter w on June 04, 2016, 09:53:07 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on June 04, 2016, 09:28:24 PM
Quote from: Exeter 77 on June 04, 2016, 09:14:11 PM
Westwood is not the all around midfielder as he is too lightweight but thst doesn't mean he can't be an asset. He is definitely not a defensive player so should be played a bit further forward to make better use if his passing ability which is something successive managers have failed to do.

Not quick enough in the head to play further forward.

He'd be fine on the right side of a middle two in a 4-4-2 or on the right side of the diamond with over-lapping full-backs.

Have to disagree with that. Nowhere near mobile or physical enough to play in a two at a decent standard. Always second to the breaking ball and easily beaten in challenges. He can only really play abs the holding player in a three, but as someone else said, we need better.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on June 05, 2016, 01:32:38 AM: Quote from: Gareth on June 04, 2016, 08:45:21 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on June 04, 2016, 07:43:32 PM
Quote from: Gareth on June 04, 2016, 05:43:16 PM
Vardy will struggle to get as many goals in that Arsenal side as Giroud has this year, he'll get a few being slipped in behind by Ozil & Wilshire but he won't have the kick and rush that he has thrived upon this yr at Leicester

I hope we soon have a striker that struggles to 24 goals. I rate Giroud but appear to be in a minority as both arsenal and french fans give him shit. I see your point though, as teams defend so deep it is hard for the strikers to shine in Arsenal's system, conversely the attacking midfielders making runs from slightly deeper should have a field day.

On a slight tangent, but I think it is poor form of Arsenal to make this bid - and it become public - just before the Euros.

It happened to us, it happened to Everton when they looked like breaking through - the so called big clubs raid when they feel threatened - Vardy will just be the first, Kante & Mahrez will def be targets, wouldn't be surprised if Schmeichel ends up at Old Trafford if De Gea finally goes to Real.

My point on Vardy is that his work rate and chasing of lost causes earnt so many goals, Arse only want to score the perfect goal so he'll be running on a road to nowhere most of the time.

That same work rate and movement will help open up space for their other players though, and Ozil's not the sort of player who'll hold back if there's a decisive pass to be made. Plus, Arsenal actually play a fair bit on the counter away from home, so it's not like Vardy will be facing packed defenses week after week. 20 million for a club like Arsenal is a bucket of piss anyway, and he'll give them a dimension they don't currently have.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on June 05, 2016, 08:02:57 AM: Quote from: Zouch Villa on June 04, 2016, 09:03:37 PM
Quote from: old man villa fan on June 04, 2016, 06:02:07 PM
Quote from: Rudy65 on June 04, 2016, 05:51:26 PM
Quote from: Bottom Right 89 on June 04, 2016, 03:55:24 PM
Im fed up of all the Westwood critics, he's a decent lad just struggles for confidence hopefully a drop down a division and potentially playing in a winning team will see him grow as a player. One of the only ones who looked like he gave a toss last season so for that alone he should keep his place in the new Villa side.

How many games does he need to get confident? Im sure he is a great bloke but he is a average footballer. Oh and he does point a lot and delivers terrible corners

Agree 100% with you. Westwood plays in a position where he has to be involved in the game all of the time but he goes missing. He is too weak for this position and does not have the pace to play further forward or wide. His energy levels are very low.

I've very much been a critic of Westwood, and I'm truly sick of his wafty floaty corners after this season, but I still have a sneaking feeling that there could still be a half decent player there somewhere.

With some proper coaching, and a decent leader on the pitch alongside him (someone like Petrov) and I think he could still be of use. I may be clutching at straws, and my opinions have softened two weeks into the close season, but there are players more deserving of a shove through exit doors than Ashley.

its always jam tomorrow

westwood has had four seasons and if anything he's regressed

we make excuses, blame coaches, whatever the fact is we have too many players who are not up to the job and the longer we keep them at the club the longer we are going to be in decline
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on June 05, 2016, 08:41:17 AM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 04, 2016, 04:32:34 PM
I'd just like to say that I think £20m for a 29 year old after one very good top flight season is a bit mental. Not a Villa related transfer I know but just makes me think how crazy things are now, imo.

Mickey Quinn on Talksport has just asked a journalist if other clubs could outbid arsenal now they've matched the clause.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Nastylee on June 05, 2016, 08:55:15 AM: Start a bidding war.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on June 05, 2016, 09:08:25 AM: Quote from: Clampy on June 05, 2016, 08:41:17 AM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 04, 2016, 04:32:34 PM
I'd just like to say that I think £20m for a 29 year old after one very good top flight season is a bit mental. Not a Villa related transfer I know but just makes me think how crazy things are now, imo.

Mickey Quinn on Talksport has just asked a journalist if other clubs could outbid arsenal now they've matched the clause.

Not the brightest is he? Can't stand him, illiterate bloke. If Talk Sport got rid of him and Brazil it would be worth listening too, although Cundy is a cock as well.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VILLA MOLE on June 05, 2016, 09:18:32 AM: Quote from: Newby on June 05, 2016, 09:08:25 AM
Quote from: Clampy on June 05, 2016, 08:41:17 AM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 04, 2016, 04:32:34 PM
I'd just like to say that I think £20m for a 29 year old after one very good top flight season is a bit mental. Not a Villa related transfer I know but just makes me think how crazy things are now, imo.
Quote from: Newby on June 05, 2016, 09:08:25 AM
Quote from: Clampy on June 05, 2016, 08:41:17 AM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 04, 2016, 04:32:34 PM
I'd just like to say that I think £20m for a 29 year old after one very good top flight season is a bit mental. Not a Villa related transfer I know but just makes me think how crazy things are now, imo.

Mickey Quinn on Talksport has just asked a journalist if other clubs could outbid arsenal now they've matched the clause.

Not the brightest is he? Can't stand him, illiterate bloke. If Talk Sport got rid of him and Brazil it would be worth listening too, although Cundy is a cock as well.

Mickey Quinn on Talksport has just asked a journalist if other clubs could outbid arsenal now they've matched the clause.

Not the brightest is he? Can't stand him, illiterate bloke. If Talk Sport got rid of him and Brazil it would be worth listening too, although Cundy is a cock as well.

Other than that ...... I really dont know how they get the work ? !!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on June 05, 2016, 09:39:59 AM: Quote from: Newby on June 05, 2016, 09:08:25 AM
Quote from: Clampy on June 05, 2016, 08:41:17 AM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 04, 2016, 04:32:34 PM
I'd just like to say that I think £20m for a 29 year old after one very good top flight season is a bit mental. Not a Villa related transfer I know but just makes me think how crazy things are now, imo.

Mickey Quinn on Talksport has just asked a journalist if other clubs could outbid arsenal now they've matched the clause.

Not the brightest is he? Can't stand him, illiterate bloke. If Talk Sport got rid of him and Brazil it would be worth listening too, although Cundy is a cock as well.

I don't mind Jason Cundy that much. I can't listen to Alan Brazil though, he's bloody awful.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave P on June 05, 2016, 09:58:11 AM: Quote from: Newby on June 05, 2016, 09:08:25 AM
Quote from: Clampy on June 05, 2016, 08:41:17 AM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 04, 2016, 04:32:34 PM
I'd just like to say that I think £20m for a 29 year old after one very good top flight season is a bit mental. Not a Villa related transfer I know but just makes me think how crazy things are now, imo.

Mickey Quinn on Talksport has just asked a journalist if other clubs could outbid arsenal now they've matched the clause.

Not the brightest is he? Can't stand him, illiterate bloke. If Talk Sport got rid of him and Brazil it would be worth listening too, although Cundy is a cock as well.

Fully agree. And as for the fucking Moose!!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: OCD on June 05, 2016, 10:12:17 AM: Not liked Quinn ever since he scored a hat-trick against us and revelled in it because it was us. Even back then I thought there was no place in the game for a fat fuck who didn't have the professionalism to look after himself.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: robbo1874 on June 05, 2016, 10:26:22 AM: Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on June 05, 2016, 08:02:57 AM
Quote from: Zouch Villa on June 04, 2016, 09:03:37 PM
Quote from: old man villa fan on June 04, 2016, 06:02:07 PM
Quote from: Rudy65 on June 04, 2016, 05:51:26 PM
Quote from: Bottom Right 89 on June 04, 2016, 03:55:24 PM
Im fed up of all the Westwood critics, he's a decent lad just struggles for confidence hopefully a drop down a division and potentially playing in a winning team will see him grow as a player. One of the only ones who looked like he gave a toss last season so for that alone he should keep his place in the new Villa side.

How many games does he need to get confident? Im sure he is a great bloke but he is a average footballer. Oh and he does point a lot and delivers terrible corners

Agree 100% with you. Westwood plays in a position where he has to be involved in the game all of the time but he goes missing. He is too weak for this position and does not have the pace to play further forward or wide. His energy levels are very low.

I've very much been a critic of Westwood, and I'm truly sick of his wafty floaty corners after this season, but I still have a sneaking feeling that there could still be a half decent player there somewhere.

With some proper coaching, and a decent leader on the pitch alongside him (someone like Petrov) and I think he could still be of use. I may be clutching at straws, and my opinions have softened two weeks into the close season, but there are players more deserving of a shove through exit doors than Ashley.

its always jam tomorrow

westwood has had four seasons and if anything he's regressed

we make excuses, blame coaches, whatever the fact is we have too many players who are not up to the job and the longer we keep them at the club the longer we are going to be in decline
for me, when we signed Westwood it was always a bit of a 'meh' signing. He had a couple of seasons where he did quite well, as you rightly say, has since regressed. Maybe the new coaches will give him a new lease of life, but as far as I'm concerned he was a regular starter in that cluster fuck of a side last season. Don't care if he stays or goes, in all honesty. We could probably find a better player for not much of an outlay in fee and wages.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KevinGage on June 05, 2016, 11:37:48 AM: What couple of seasons are these?

He did OK-ish in the second half of Lambert's first season but since then has been largely ineffective.

Looking at the appearances the likes of he and Hutton have clocked up over the last four years goes some way to explaining why we'll be in the Championship next season.

They are the kind of players that should have been back-up options at best, not first team mainstays.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on June 05, 2016, 11:52:39 AM: Hutton is a joke of a player who gets by because with his dirty tackles it appears he tries. I haven't seen many fullbacks at the Villa who are poorer positionally than Hutton and as for his attempts at marauding forward, he might as well fuck off because he's either not arsed enough to get back or he can't because he's a knacker.

Either way, terrible footballer.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on June 05, 2016, 11:54:21 AM: Quote from: KevinGage on June 05, 2016, 11:37:48 AM
What couple of seasons are these?

He did OK-ish in the second half of Lambert's first season but since then has been largely ineffective.

Looking at the appearances the likes of he and Hutton have clocked up over the last four years goes some way to explaining why we'll be in the Championship next season.

They are the kind of players that should have been back-up options at best, not first team mainstays.

I think he was genuinely very good during that stretch under Lambert, but it helped that the rest of the side were clicking as well. I'm pretty sure he also did quite well when he was brought back into the side under Sherwood, playing as a foil to Cleverley/Delph's energetic styles. There were probably a couple of other 4-6 week stretches where he looked decent, but yeah, I wouldn't quite go as far as saying two good seasons.

Agree with the rest of your post though - Hutton and Westwood are useful to have as backups, because you can plug them in for a game or two at a time and feel confident about getting a steady, mistake-free display, but they get exposed if left in the side for too long that other teams actively start gameplanning to exploit their weaknesses.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: wittonwarrior on June 05, 2016, 12:04:53 PM: I think everyone would agree that neither Westwood or Hutton as good enough for Villa, however looking at the players who we need to kick out as a first wave - Lescott, Richards, Richardson, Guzan, Okore and Bacuna they may well survive the cull.

Impossible to bring 11 new players in and expect the team to automatically gel.

Personally I would be looking at the likes of Marshall at Cardiff, Cleverly at Everton who has struggled to hold a first team place down, perhaps get Carrick in as our Captain and one or two from the new management contacts.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on June 05, 2016, 12:06:32 PM: No I think Westwood is. Hutton I agree with.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on June 05, 2016, 12:07:43 PM: Quote from: aj2k77 on June 05, 2016, 11:52:39 AM
Hutton is a joke of a player who gets by because with his dirty tackles it appears he tries. I haven't seen many fullbacks at the Villa who are poorer positionally than Hutton and as for his attempts at marauding forward, he might as well fuck off because he's either not arsed enough to get back or he can't because he's a knacker.

Either way, terrible footballer.

As much as I admire him for knuckling down when he lost his place and was outcast for a while and for his hard work and effort when not many others seemed to give a shit, I agree, he's a poor defender.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on June 05, 2016, 12:17:43 PM: Little link in the Sunday People to Graham Dorrans and a quote from his agent saying how he loved working under RDM. Grealish linked to Stoke again too.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: john2710 on June 05, 2016, 12:44:37 PM: Many of the players we have are plenty good enough to get us out of the championship, let's worry about them being good enough for the premiership if we manage to get there. Some will go, Ayew, Amarvi, Gana & Gil etc. To be honest it's only Ayew & Amarvi I would try to keep.

We need to strengthen the spine of the team, replace the shite, perpetual losers & slackers like Guzan, Richards, Gabby, Okores, Bacuna & Lescott. I'd include Hutton in this too based on him being shite.

Grealish has just wasted one season of his development & I just can't see him spending a season in the Championship.

Traore is a strange one, undoubtedly skilful / quick but not a team player & probably a luxury we can't afford. He seems oblivious of everyone around him. If he hasn't learned it's a team game at Barcelona he never will. Nobody will take him unless it's on loan.

Whoever is in the team when the season starts, even if it's the likes of Bacuna & Gabby will get my backing, if they show the right attitude.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: robbo1874 on June 05, 2016, 12:56:06 PM: Quote from: KevinGage on June 05, 2016, 11:37:48 AM
What couple of seasons are these?

He did OK-ish in the second half of Lambert's first season but since then has been largely ineffective.

Looking at the appearances the likes of he and Hutton have clocked up over the last four years goes some way to explaining why we'll be in the Championship next season.

They are the kind of players that should have been back-up options at best, not first team mainstays.
his first and second. He went to shit when the rest of the team did the last two. I'm not defending him- if you read the rest of my post I said I couldn't give a fuck if he stays or goes.

Not good enough really for the premiership, may do OK in the championship with 4 prem seasons experience and new coaching setup. I wouldn't cry if we sold him tomorrow though.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: robbo1874 on June 05, 2016, 01:00:53 PM: Quote from: wittonwarrior on June 05, 2016, 12:04:53 PM
I think everyone would agree that neither Westwood or Hutton as good enough for Villa, however looking at the players who we need to kick out as a first wave - Lescott, Richards, Richardson, Guzan, Okore and Bacuna they may well survive the cull.

Impossible to bring 11 new players in and expect the team to automatically gel.

Personally I would be looking at the likes of Marshall at Cardiff, Cleverly at Everton who has struggled to hold a first team place down, perhaps get Carrick in as our Captain and one or two from the new management contacts.
i think I read in the last couple of days (Graun?) that Mourinho wants Carrick for another season.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: The Laughing Policeman on June 05, 2016, 01:09:53 PM: Quote from: robbo1874 on June 05, 2016, 01:00:53 PM
Quote from: wittonwarrior on June 05, 2016, 12:04:53 PM
I think everyone would agree that neither Westwood or Hutton as good enough for Villa, however looking at the players who we need to kick out as a first wave - Lescott, Richards, Richardson, Guzan, Okore and Bacuna they may well survive the cull.

Impossible to bring 11 new players in and expect the team to automatically gel.

Personally I would be looking at the likes of Marshall at Cardiff, Cleverly at Everton who has struggled to hold a first team place down, perhaps get Carrick in as our Captain and one or two from the new management contacts.
i think I read in the last couple of days (Graun?) that Mourinho wants Carrick for another season.
I read somewhere last week that Carrick has been offered another twelve months at OT but I still think we should have ago at getting him in and rebuilding the team around him. The man is a class act and the type of player that others would look up to and hopefully try to emulate him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: N'ZMAV on June 05, 2016, 01:20:16 PM: Westwood isn't one I'd prioritise to move on. If someone makes us a decent offer then we should sell. But, there's a few morons I'd be kicking out first before Westwood.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on June 05, 2016, 01:22:15 PM: Dorrans was outstanding in the Championship under Di Matteo. Thought he was older the 29
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on June 05, 2016, 01:22:27 PM: Quote from: The Laughing Policeman on June 05, 2016, 01:09:53 PM
Quote from: robbo1874 on June 05, 2016, 01:00:53 PM
Quote from: wittonwarrior on June 05, 2016, 12:04:53 PM
I think everyone would agree that neither Westwood or Hutton as good enough for Villa, however looking at the players who we need to kick out as a first wave - Lescott, Richards, Richardson, Guzan, Okore and Bacuna they may well survive the cull.

Impossible to bring 11 new players in and expect the team to automatically gel.

Personally I would be looking at the likes of Marshall at Cardiff, Cleverly at Everton who has struggled to hold a first team place down, perhaps get Carrick in as our Captain and one or two from the new management contacts.
i think I read in the last couple of days (Graun?) that Mourinho wants Carrick for another season.
I read somewhere last week that Carrick has been offered another twelve months at OT but I still think we should have ago at getting him in and rebuilding the team around him. The man is a class act and the type of player that others would look up to and hopefully try to emulate him.

He's a top player, even though his legs are gone, but it sounds pretty likely that he'll be signing for 12 more months at United, and even if he doesn't, there'll be plenty of suitors in the PL who would want him.

A commanding midfielder would be top of my wishlist for summer business though - we obviously need reinforcements just about everywhere, but our midfielders are just so limited: Sanchez and Gana can only break up play (although they do it well), Westwood is tidy but that's it, Veretout is a WIP and might leave anyway, and we obviously can't treat Gary Gardner as a saviour.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: robbo1874 on June 05, 2016, 01:45:49 PM: Quote from: passitsideways on June 05, 2016, 01:22:27 PM
Quote from: The Laughing Policeman on June 05, 2016, 01:09:53 PM
Quote from: robbo1874 on June 05, 2016, 01:00:53 PM
Quote from: wittonwarrior on June 05, 2016, 12:04:53 PM
I think everyone would agree that neither Westwood or Hutton as good enough for Villa, however looking at the players who we need to kick out as a first wave - Lescott, Richards, Richardson, Guzan, Okore and Bacuna they may well survive the cull.

Impossible to bring 11 new players in and expect the team to automatically gel.

Personally I would be looking at the likes of Marshall at Cardiff, Cleverly at Everton who has struggled to hold a first team place down, perhaps get Carrick in as our Captain and one or two from the new management contacts.
i think I read in the last couple of days (Graun?) that Mourinho wants Carrick for another season.
I read somewhere last week that Carrick has been offered another twelve months at OT but I still think we should have ago at getting him in and rebuilding the team around him. The man is a class act and the type of player that others would look up to and hopefully try to emulate him.

He's a top player, even though his legs are gone, but it sounds pretty likely that he'll be signing for 12 more months at United, and even if he doesn't, there'll be plenty of suitors in the PL who would want him.

A commanding midfielder would be top of my wishlist for summer business though - we obviously need reinforcements just about everywhere, but our midfielders are just so limited: Sanchez and Gana can only break up play (although they do it well), Westwood is tidy but that's it, Veretout is a WIP and might leave anyway, and we obviously can't treat Gary Gardner as a saviour.
top class keeper for our first signing (and last, if it's the only signing we make). Gotta get shot of Guzan. I class him alongside the likes of Gabby and Richards in players that must leave. You must have a solid keeper for the defence to have confidence in.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on June 05, 2016, 02:40:17 PM: Report in a paper saying today that Swansea might feel looking to move Neil Taylor on this summer. Would be a good buy for us and would solve our long running LB problem.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 05, 2016, 03:09:32 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on June 05, 2016, 01:22:15 PM
Dorrans was outstanding in the Championship under Di Matteo. Thought he was older the 29

He's precisely one of those in between players that thrive at that level but disappear in the PL. He'd be a good addition.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 05, 2016, 03:09:58 PM: Quote from: tomd2103 on June 05, 2016, 02:40:17 PM
Report in a paper saying today that Swansea might feel looking to move Neil Taylor on this summer. Would be a good buy for us and would solve our long running LB problem.

I like Jordan Amavi myself
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on June 05, 2016, 03:27:53 PM: First bit of business i'd do is get on the blower to Everton and ask em if we can have Barry.

He's got 2 years left in him and would be the ideal captain IMO, and the ideal coach once he's stopped playing should he wish to move into that side of the game.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: OCD on June 05, 2016, 03:32:07 PM: Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on June 05, 2016, 03:27:53 PM

First bit of business i'd do is get on the blower to Everton and ask em if we can have Barry.

He's got 2 years left in him and would be the ideal captain IMO, and the ideal coach once he's stopped playing should he wish to move into that side of the game.

He was also their player of the season last year.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VancouverLion on June 05, 2016, 03:32:43 PM: Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on June 05, 2016, 03:27:53 PM

First bit of business i'd do is get on the blower to Everton and ask em if we can have Barry.

He's got 2 years left in him and would be the ideal captain IMO, and the ideal coach once he's stopped playing should he wish to move into that side of the game.
Yup and Osman.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on June 05, 2016, 03:34:29 PM: Quote from: OCD on June 05, 2016, 03:32:07 PM
Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on June 05, 2016, 03:27:53 PM

First bit of business i'd do is get on the blower to Everton and ask em if we can have Barry.

He's got 2 years left in him and would be the ideal captain IMO, and the ideal coach once he's stopped playing should he wish to move into that side of the game.

He was also their player of the season last year.

Was he? blimey. But with them looking to go big shopping this summer and possibly with Koeman in charge i reckon he'll be surplus to their new requirements

If we don't ask, we'll never know

Come home Gareth!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KevinGage on June 05, 2016, 03:35:58 PM: Two seasons of Westwood doing 'quite well' is very generous.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: in exile on June 05, 2016, 03:54:17 PM: Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 05, 2016, 03:09:58 PM
I like Jordan Amavi myself

So do Liverpool apparently
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on June 05, 2016, 04:07:41 PM: as do some Italians.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on June 05, 2016, 04:11:46 PM: I'd have Barry back
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on June 05, 2016, 04:32:58 PM: Quote from: OCD on June 05, 2016, 03:32:07 PM
Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on June 05, 2016, 03:27:53 PM

First bit of business i'd do is get on the blower to Everton and ask em if we can have Barry.

He's got 2 years left in him and would be the ideal captain IMO, and the ideal coach once he's stopped playing should he wish to move into that side of the game.

He was also their player of the season last year.
True but a new manager there may decide he wants to sign a top midfielder that's 10 years younger. I don't think Everton will be all that short of cash, particularly as I think they'll struggle to keep hold of Lukaku. It is unlikely I grant you, but I'm keeping my fingers crossed he'll become surplus there and would fancy coming back. I didn't expect Downing to end up in the Championship following a decent season for West Ham, and arguably his best season in the Premiership (well, for 3/4 of it. He tailed off at the end).
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on June 05, 2016, 04:33:24 PM: Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 05, 2016, 03:09:32 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on June 05, 2016, 01:22:15 PM
Dorrans was outstanding in the Championship under Di Matteo. Thought he was older the 29

He's precisely one of those in between players that thrive at that level but disappear in the PL. He'd be a good addition.

Good signing, if true.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on June 05, 2016, 04:35:58 PM: Quote from: TheMalandro on June 05, 2016, 04:33:24 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 05, 2016, 03:09:32 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on June 05, 2016, 01:22:15 PM
Dorrans was outstanding in the Championship under Di Matteo. Thought he was older the 29

He's precisely one of those in between players that thrive at that level but disappear in the PL. He'd be a good addition.

Good signing, if true.
I'd take him.

As for Carrick, I think it's a no go. Jose doesn't mind a few oldies around. He'll rate Carrick. No doubt.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 05, 2016, 04:47:38 PM: I'd like us get Loftus-Cheek on loan or even Solanke. I wonder if he will have any contacts in Germany from his time at Schalke
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 05, 2016, 05:30:51 PM: Quote from: in exile on June 05, 2016, 03:54:17 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 05, 2016, 03:09:58 PM
I like Jordan Amavi myself

So do Liverpool apparently

they want Gibbs too apparently and he is fit I suppose
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 05, 2016, 06:06:16 PM: Liverpool not being in the CL is not going to help them attract players unless they significantly overspend to get them. So £20m and Amavi is all yours Kloppy
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on June 05, 2016, 06:06:58 PM: I think Carrick has signed a 1 Year deal
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on June 05, 2016, 06:34:02 PM: Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 05, 2016, 03:09:58 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on June 05, 2016, 02:40:17 PM
Report in a paper saying today that Swansea might feel looking to move Neil Taylor on this summer. Would be a good buy for us and would solve our long running LB problem.

I like Jordan Amavi myself

Not sure LB is going to be Amavi's position in the long run. In the short window we saw him, as good as he looked going forward he was suspect defensively.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 05, 2016, 08:00:51 PM: Quote from: supertom on June 05, 2016, 04:35:58 PM
Quote from: TheMalandro on June 05, 2016, 04:33:24 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 05, 2016, 03:09:32 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on June 05, 2016, 01:22:15 PM
Dorrans was outstanding in the Championship under Di Matteo. Thought he was older the 29

He's precisely one of those in between players that thrive at that level but disappear in the PL. He'd be a good addition.

Good signing, if true.
I'd take him.

As for Carrick, I think it's a no go. Jose doesn't mind a few oldies around. He'll rate Carrick. No doubt.

He also likes pace and pressing from his midfielders (i.e. jettisoning Mata from Chelsea), so I'm not sure it's a completely natural fit with Jose. Regardless I'd guess that there would be a few PL teams that would offer him as much/more than we could. Barry is more intriguing as I'd hope he has some affiliation with the club.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on June 05, 2016, 08:04:08 PM: Quote from: tomd2103 on June 05, 2016, 06:34:02 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 05, 2016, 03:09:58 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on June 05, 2016, 02:40:17 PM
Report in a paper saying today that Swansea might feel looking to move Neil Taylor on this summer. Would be a good buy for us and would solve our long running LB problem.

I like Jordan Amavi myself

Not sure LB is going to be Amavi's position in the long run. In the short window we saw him, as good as he looked going forward he was suspect defensively.

100% this, far too much of a bottler to be a defender

however as a left sided midfielder he could be top drawer
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Pete3206 on June 05, 2016, 09:59:08 PM: Dorrans from Norwich would be a significant upgrade on Westwood.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 05, 2016, 11:25:47 PM: Dorrans never really did much in premier league but was a stand out player in championship. That was 6 years ago now though.

I'd personally be happy with Mulumbu and Morrison on frees. Both vastly experienced, one a proper DM and Morrison can chip in with goals so would greatly improve the midfield.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 05, 2016, 11:30:02 PM: Mulumbu has been crap for a couple of years, which is strange as I thought he was a cracking player before that. And Morrison can feck off after the QF.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on June 06, 2016, 12:11:57 AM: Quote from: Pete3206 on June 05, 2016, 09:59:08 PM
Dorrans from Norwich would be a significant upgrade on Westwood.

Dorrans is more of a wide player isn't he?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tony scott on June 06, 2016, 06:55:11 AM: Doreens hasn't done a lot for Norwich, and after last season will have the losing mentality that affects our squad.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Mister E on June 06, 2016, 07:41:51 AM: Dorrans, Morrison, Mulumbu ... All sounds very retro to me.
I don't wish to sound negative and understand that we need some experienced upgrades along the spine of our team but I hope that RdM's approach is a little more inspired than some of the tired suggestions here.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on June 06, 2016, 08:04:03 AM: I'd take Morrison out of those.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mattjpa on June 06, 2016, 09:51:47 AM: Rumoured that Patrick Bamford could be set to become his first signing......
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: OCD on June 06, 2016, 09:57:20 AM: Quote from: mattjpa on June 06, 2016, 09:51:47 AM
Rumoured that Patrick Bamford could be set to become his first signing......

Is the rumour about a permanent deal or a loan deal?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on June 06, 2016, 09:57:51 AM: Quote from: mattjpa on June 06, 2016, 09:51:47 AM
Rumoured that Patrick Bamford could be set to become his first signing......

Hopefully only on loan. I don't think he's quite good enough for the Premiership. Might be a waste for when we get back up! Danny Ings was being linked on Twitter last night, unfortunately, the source is less than reliable though.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: CJ on June 06, 2016, 10:02:49 AM: Bamford would be good - did well at Middlesbrough couple of seasons ago
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on June 06, 2016, 10:04:23 AM: The last thing we need to do is bring in more players who haven't been good for a few years, possibly low on confidence, looking for a new start.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on June 06, 2016, 10:08:08 AM: Quote from: aj2k77 on June 06, 2016, 10:04:23 AM
The last thing we need to do is bring in more players who haven't been good for a few years, possibly low on confidence, looking for a new start.

I don't see why not. It might not have worked with Micah Richards but it doesn't mean it can't with somebody else.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mattjpa on June 06, 2016, 10:28:00 AM: Quote from: OCD on June 06, 2016, 09:57:20 AM
Quote from: mattjpa on June 06, 2016, 09:51:47 AM
Rumoured that Patrick Bamford could be set to become his first signing......

Is the rumour about a permanent deal or a loan deal?

Not sure, didnt go into detail. I would hope it would be a loan with an exercise clause at the back end. We have got so many of these wrong recently, Im sick of seeing wasters on the payroll
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on June 06, 2016, 10:28:58 AM: I saw a fee of £10m being mentioned with the Jawdies also keen
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Mister E on June 06, 2016, 10:50:39 AM: Quote from: Clampy on June 06, 2016, 10:08:08 AM
Quote from: aj2k77 on June 06, 2016, 10:04:23 AM
The last thing we need to do is bring in more players who haven't been good for a few years, possibly low on confidence, looking for a new start.

I don't see why not. It might not have worked with Micah Richards but it doesn't mean it can't with somebody else.
I tend to agree that he has failed to convince, although I guess that RdM might know him from his Chelski youth days.
Danny Ings would be a good buy, though, particularly alongside Kozak and / or Ayew.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Mister E on June 06, 2016, 10:51:48 AM: Quote from: CJ on June 06, 2016, 10:02:49 AM
Bamford would be good - did well at Middlesbrough couple of seasons ago
Interesting that the rumours relate to strikers when it's our back five that really is crap.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on June 06, 2016, 10:53:04 AM: Quote from: Clampy on June 06, 2016, 10:08:08 AM
Quote from: aj2k77 on June 06, 2016, 10:04:23 AM
The last thing we need to do is bring in more players who haven't been good for a few years, possibly low on confidence, looking for a new start.

I don't see why not. It might not have worked with Micah Richards but it doesn't mean it can't with somebody else.

It's not just Richards is it. Sinclair, Ireland, Cole, Richardson, Senderos, Cissokho, Kozak, Given, Hutton. From what I can recall to various degrees none of them had been playing constant first team football week in week out. When was the last time we took a player who just needed some confidence and regular football and they were worth it? I genuinely can't recall one for a while.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on June 06, 2016, 10:53:46 AM: Ings, Gestede and Ayew would be a very good forward line at Championship level though.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SheffieldVillain on June 06, 2016, 11:29:07 AM: Quote from: Mister E on June 06, 2016, 10:51:48 AM
Quote from: CJ on June 06, 2016, 10:02:49 AM
Bamford would be good - did well at Middlesbrough couple of seasons ago
Interesting that the rumours relate to strikers when it's our back five that really is crap.

We were the lowest scorers in the league last year and currently have a strikeforce of Gestede, Ayew (who will probably leave), Gabby (who will hopefully leave) and Kozak (who is permanently injured). Our strikeforce needs just as much attention as the defence if not more.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on June 06, 2016, 12:09:01 PM: It's also very difficult if you don't score. It adds pressure that's not needed to the defence. I think the whole team needs work to help the back 4.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on June 06, 2016, 12:12:19 PM: 10m for Bamford? who's on the crack?

Hopefully not us
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on June 06, 2016, 12:13:42 PM: Only 22 so still has time to develop. We need some mobility and goals up top.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: OCD on June 06, 2016, 12:17:50 PM: Quote from: mattjpa on June 06, 2016, 10:28:00 AM
Quote from: OCD on June 06, 2016, 09:57:20 AM
Quote from: mattjpa on June 06, 2016, 09:51:47 AM
Rumoured that Patrick Bamford could be set to become his first signing......

Is the rumour about a permanent deal or a loan deal?

Not sure, didnt go into detail. I would hope it would be a loan with an exercise clause, at the back end. We have got so many of these wrong recently, Im sick of seeing wasters on the payroll

Shame Gabby's contract doesn't have one of those.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on June 06, 2016, 01:02:47 PM: 10 million sounds excessive for Bamford, but I suppose it makes sense once you consider that's around the going rate for strikers who have shown their quality in the Championship (McCormack, Gray), and then tacking on a couple of million or so in acknowledgement of his age.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KevinGage on June 06, 2016, 01:07:57 PM: Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on June 06, 2016, 12:12:19 PM

10m for Bamford? who's on the crack?

Hopefully not us

The Bamford I saw at Boro would probably be worth it.

The Bamford at Palace and Norwich, not so much.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: chrisw1 on June 06, 2016, 01:10:18 PM: Ings wouyd be great. But I'm sure he will get better offers.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 06, 2016, 01:23:05 PM: Bamford has promise but £10m is a bit mental for a striker whose last goal was April 2015.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on June 06, 2016, 01:24:19 PM: Quote from: aj2k77 on June 06, 2016, 10:53:04 AM
Quote from: Clampy on June 06, 2016, 10:08:08 AM
Quote from: aj2k77 on June 06, 2016, 10:04:23 AM
The last thing we need to do is bring in more players who haven't been good for a few years, possibly low on confidence, looking for a new start.

I don't see why not. It might not have worked with Micah Richards but it doesn't mean it can't with somebody else.

It's not just Richards is it. Sinclair, Ireland, Cole, Richardson, Senderos, Cissokho, Kozak, Given, Hutton. From what I can recall to various degrees none of them had been playing constant first team football week in week out. When was the last time we took a player who just needed some confidence and regular football and they were worth it? I genuinely can't recall one for a while.

Most of those you have mentioned are in their 30's. The likes of Vydra and Bamford are still in their early 20's, there's a bit of a difference. Like Ad's says, Bamford for example has still got time on his side to improve.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on June 06, 2016, 01:51:39 PM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 06, 2016, 01:23:05 PM
Bamford has promise but £10m is a bit mental for a striker whose last goal was April 2015.

Agreed it does seem a lot.

That said, if Bamford and Rudy scored 40 odd goals between them, then it would be a drop in the ocean in the long term.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 06, 2016, 01:55:34 PM: With Bamford the quoted fee is in part for past performance but the larger percentage for potential. He's done well at Championship level, the unknown is whether or not with some stability in his career if he could carry that on into the PL? He has a lot of years in front of him and it seems as though he needs a proper run of games and a permanent home.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on June 06, 2016, 02:05:30 PM: solid player an would be a cracking acquisition.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Mister E on June 06, 2016, 02:09:01 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on June 06, 2016, 12:09:01 PM
It's also very difficult if you don't score. It adds pressure that's not needed to the defence. I think the whole team needs work to help the back 4.
Point taken :-)
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on June 06, 2016, 02:23:34 PM: Quote from: Clampy on June 06, 2016, 01:24:19 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on June 06, 2016, 10:53:04 AM
Quote from: Clampy on June 06, 2016, 10:08:08 AM
Quote from: aj2k77 on June 06, 2016, 10:04:23 AM
The last thing we need to do is bring in more players who haven't been good for a few years, possibly low on confidence, looking for a new start.

I don't see why not. It might not have worked with Micah Richards but it doesn't mean it can't with somebody else.

It's not just Richards is it. Sinclair, Ireland, Cole, Richardson, Senderos, Cissokho, Kozak, Given, Hutton. From what I can recall to various degrees none of them had been playing constant first team football week in week out. When was the last time we took a player who just needed some confidence and regular football and they were worth it? I genuinely can't recall one for a while.

Most of those you have mentioned are in their 30's. The likes of Vydra and Bamford are still in their early 20's, there's a bit of a difference. Like Ad's says, Bamford for example has still got time on his side to improve.

Ireland, Richards, Hutton, Kozak, Cissokho, Senderos and Sinclair weren't in their 30's when they joined only Cole, Richardson and Given were. Either way I feel it's a route we've been down, buying for potential, we haven't got it right before, it could be better this time but I'm not sold on buying players that have had 1 good season and it wasn't their last one.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on June 06, 2016, 02:24:45 PM: Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on June 06, 2016, 12:12:19 PM

10m for Bamford? who's on the crack?

Hopefully not us

If we do have some money again let's pray it's not pissed up the wall on bloated fee's like when Randy threw his millions down the pan. £10M for a player who's had one good season is about £6m too much.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on June 06, 2016, 02:28:59 PM: Ireland - Rubbish
Richards - Rubbish
Hutton - Rubbish
Kozak - Ubbish
Cissokho - Rubbish
Senderos - What did happen?
Sinclair - Rubbish
Cole - Rubbish
Richardson - Rubbish
Given - Not that good

Fuck me. Who chose that lot?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 06, 2016, 04:02:51 PM: Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 06, 2016, 01:55:34 PM
With Bamford the quoted fee is in part for past performance but the larger percentage for potential. He's done well at Championship level, the unknown is whether or not with some stability in his career if he could carry that on into the PL? He has a lot of years in front of him and it seems as though he needs a proper run of games and a permanent home.

Moneyball signing...
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Mossie Hennebry on June 06, 2016, 04:36:32 PM: Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on June 06, 2016, 04:02:51 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 06, 2016, 01:55:34 PM
With Bamford the quoted fee is in part for past performance but the larger percentage for potential. He's done well at Championship level, the unknown is whether or not with some stability in his career if he could carry that on into the PL? He has a lot of years in front of him and it seems as though he needs a proper run of games and a permanent home.

Moneyball signing...

There has got to be Godwin's law about the term 'Moneyball signing'? :)
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on June 06, 2016, 04:59:32 PM: Especially when it's used inaccurately. Bean would be turning in his grave if he was dead.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on June 06, 2016, 05:00:56 PM: Quote from: Ads on June 06, 2016, 04:59:32 PM
Especially when it's used inaccurately. Bean would be turning in his grave if he was dead.

It's enough to make him drop dead, just so he could turn in his grave.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve R on June 06, 2016, 05:32:08 PM: Quote from: Ads on June 06, 2016, 01:51:39 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 06, 2016, 01:23:05 PM
Bamford has promise but £10m is a bit mental for a striker whose last goal was April 2015.

Agreed it does seem a lot.

That said, if Bamford and Rudy scored 40 odd goals between them, then it would be a drop in the ocean in the long term.

Bamford probably needs a team style that suits him more than most players. Despite being well over 6 ft he isn't much in the air and from what I saw of him at Boro he's probably more a goalscoring no. 10 than an out and out striker.

Di Matteo's style of play probably isn't going to the much different to that of Karanka before he had ratboy and a couple of big dobbin centre forwards foisted on him. Bamford could well be a good signing. Having someone like Ings playing just ahead of him would be brilliant.

I have a feeling that Gestede will be shuffled along, I don't see him as a di Matteo type of player at all. He seems a first rate person and deserves to succeed somewhere, I just don't see it as being at the Villa.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on June 06, 2016, 10:34:00 PM: Steve Taylor released by Newcastle but model pro and would put likes of Richards and Leascott to shame with his no no sense attitude in defence . Also good enough expereince and worth having as a leader .
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 06, 2016, 10:38:10 PM: Quote from: Mossie Hennebry on June 06, 2016, 04:36:32 PM
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on June 06, 2016, 04:02:51 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 06, 2016, 01:55:34 PM
With Bamford the quoted fee is in part for past performance but the larger percentage for potential. He's done well at Championship level, the unknown is whether or not with some stability in his career if he could carry that on into the PL? He has a lot of years in front of him and it seems as though he needs a proper run of games and a permanent home.

Moneyball signing...

There has got to be Godwin's law about the term 'Moneyball signing'? :)

I was tempted to state it making out I was serious just so I could hear the keyboards hitting faces but I just couldn't do it. I bottled it like Downing going into a tackle.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on June 06, 2016, 10:38:51 PM: Quote from: footyskillz on June 06, 2016, 10:34:00 PM
Steve Taylor released by Newcastle but model pro and would put likes of Richards and Leascott to shame with his no no sense attitude in defence .

No disagreement with that part.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 06, 2016, 10:42:29 PM: Steven Taylor makes Vlaar look like Cal Ripken jr!

One for the baseball fans there.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on June 06, 2016, 10:47:17 PM: Taylor is better than Richards or lescott at centre back and has a better attitude. So would bring expereince. I mean he's a no nonsene defender and puts his body online. Reminds me of a cross between Dunne and Collins. The one concern would be injury otherwise he's a captain material and decent championship level player
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on June 06, 2016, 10:50:51 PM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 06, 2016, 10:42:29 PM
Steven Taylor makes Vlaar look like Cal Ripken jr!

One for the baseball fans there.

Steven Taylor makes a pile of shit look like Paul McGrath.

One for the football fans there.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 06, 2016, 10:53:02 PM: I've heard the True Geordie mention Taylor a few times.

Let's just say it's never positive.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on June 06, 2016, 10:58:25 PM: Myhill
Taylor
Dunk
Merieles
Knockart
Dorrans
Jordi Gomez
Lansbury
Roberts man city loan
Pritchard spurs
Bamford
Foresteri

All of these would be good to sign
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on June 06, 2016, 10:59:46 PM: Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on June 06, 2016, 10:53:02 PM
I've heard the True Geordie mention Taylor a few times.

Let's just say it's never positive.
Ahh ok well be comes across decent off field never heard any attitude and just unlucky injuries. But I don't know him or anything just sounds like he could captain and experienced
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on June 06, 2016, 11:01:34 PM: Quote from: peter w on June 06, 2016, 10:50:51 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 06, 2016, 10:42:29 PM
Steven Taylor makes Vlaar look like Cal Ripken jr!

One for the baseball fans there.

Steven Taylor makes a pile of shit look like Paul McGrath.

One for the football fans there.

Ok rate the pile of shit and Richards lescott and Taylor 1-4 what's your order?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 06, 2016, 11:02:52 PM: Quote from: footyskillz on June 06, 2016, 10:59:46 PM
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on June 06, 2016, 10:53:02 PM
I've heard the True Geordie mention Taylor a few times.

Let's just say it's never positive.
Ahh ok well be comes across decent off field never heard any attitude and just unlucky injuries. But I don't know him or anything just sounds like he could captain and experienced

Oh yeah I have no idea what he's like as a bloke. As a footballer though I don't rate him much at all and I doubt too many people do. Some interesting names on that list. I don't know enough about quite a few of them to make a reasoned judgement.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on June 06, 2016, 11:03:04 PM: Lescott
Pile of Shit

lots of space

more space

a bit more

Taylor
Richards
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on June 06, 2016, 11:04:38 PM: We don't need any more crocks at centre half. Would prefer to have Ginger Collins back from West Ham for a couple of years than to have Taylor.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 06, 2016, 11:05:07 PM: Better than Richards? Sign him up. Although I'd rather buy More Space.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on June 06, 2016, 11:10:58 PM: I just thinking that Taylor could be a good option. Yes villa now have money and it's hard to think of a leadership type other than him to come in and rally troops. I have to say it is risky taking him with injury record but roy Hugdson doing that same thing with Euro squad.
Whislt compliming my extensive list of get able players I really liked idea of a chap from Sheffield Wednesday last season on loan from Watford .
I think foresteri would be great addition and rdm would work him well with Italian link.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on June 06, 2016, 11:12:32 PM: Quote from: peter w on June 06, 2016, 11:03:04 PM
Lescott
Pile of Shit

lots of space

more space

a bit more

Taylor
Richards

Amen. I take that but would be a fully fit Taylor first
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on June 06, 2016, 11:14:07 PM: Foristieri (sp) might be an interesting choice but I'd prefer to see which head Grealish plays with this season as he could be outstanding in the championship.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on June 06, 2016, 11:18:34 PM: Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on June 06, 2016, 11:02:52 PM
Quote from: footyskillz on June 06, 2016, 10:59:46 PM
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on June 06, 2016, 10:53:02 PM
I've heard the True Geordie mention Taylor a few times.

Let's just say it's never positive.
Ahh ok well be comes across decent off field never heard any attitude and just unlucky injuries. But I don't know him or anything just sounds like he could captain and experienced

Oh yeah I have no idea what he's like as a bloke. As a footballer though I don't rate him much at all and I doubt too many people do. Some interesting names on that list. I don't know enough about quite a few of them to make a reasoned judgement.

Edgysatsuma you have the best name. I'm going to call them edgy after you rather than satsumas . The word satsuma is so funny so it makes me laugh. Side tracked but only looked at your name a wee while .
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on June 06, 2016, 11:20:25 PM: Quote from: Newby on June 06, 2016, 11:14:07 PM
Foristieri (sp) might be an interesting choice but I'd prefer to see which head Grealish plays with this season as he could be outstanding in the championship.

Imagine having both ! No striker as such and just a fluid front 3 or 4 interchanging.

I think winjakduilm of he stays at Newcastle would break records in championship
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on June 07, 2016, 06:40:44 AM: Ings? Zero chance
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on June 07, 2016, 07:29:32 AM: Come and work for me footy. I have just bought three pallets of satsumas. You would be laughing but I am very edgy about it.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: nigel on June 07, 2016, 08:33:27 AM: Quote from: peter w on June 06, 2016, 11:03:04 PM
Lescott
Pile of Shit

lots of space

more space

a bit more

Taylor
Richards

That was our problem last season, too much space between the back four!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: chrisw1 on June 07, 2016, 08:42:19 AM: Quote from: footyskillz on June 06, 2016, 11:12:32 PM
Quote from: peter w on June 06, 2016, 11:03:04 PM
Lescott
Pile of Shit

lots of space

more space

a bit more

Taylor
Richards

Amen. I take that but would be a fully fit Taylor first
No. No it wouldn't. Stop talking about Taylor, he is utter garbage and the last thing we need is to be linked to shite like that.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on June 07, 2016, 08:47:36 AM: Some interesting ones here:

http://www.transfermarkt.com/premier-league/endendevertraege/wettbewerb/GB1

http://www.transfermarkt.com/championship/endendevertraege/wettbewerb/GB2
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mattjpa on June 07, 2016, 09:23:13 AM: Quote from: peter w on June 07, 2016, 08:47:36 AM
Some interesting ones here:

http://www.transfermarkt.com/premier-league/endendevertraege/wettbewerb/GB1

http://www.transfermarkt.com/championship/endendevertraege/wettbewerb/GB2

A few of them I would be in for now, Tom Carroll, Tom Huddlestone, Ahmed Elmohammedy, Junior Hoilett. Id probably also take a gamble on Gaston Ramirez - Theres talent there that has never been fulfilled in this country. Little bit alarmed to see Donacien in there as well- - I thought he showed alot of potential whenever ive watched him. Does anyone know if we are renewing??
Title: Who's going and who's gone????
Post by: eddiemunster on June 07, 2016, 03:52:18 PM: Various rumours about players going and new ones coming in, in the press today, but does anyone have any true info about any of our players departing or any new players coming in?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: avfcdale on June 07, 2016, 04:24:24 PM: Would like to see us sign Berbatov on a free and spend 10 million on Bamford to do his running around
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: themossman on June 07, 2016, 04:27:29 PM: The great thing about Berbatov is that every time he gets a year older we drop a league so he can continue to be 'on the radar' well into his twilight years.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: avfcdale on June 07, 2016, 04:30:21 PM: Can't lose any pace, clever player could also bring the best out of some of our youngsters
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on June 07, 2016, 04:52:20 PM: you cannot be serious! His wedge thankfully, would be beyond us and rightly so. This is going to be this year's Adebayor rumour without the soothsayers reading the runes.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: avfcdale on June 07, 2016, 04:55:32 PM: i am serious get him in on a free, his best mate is looking to make a comeback. why not?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ClaretAndBlueBlood on June 07, 2016, 04:56:57 PM: Quote from: avfcdale on June 07, 2016, 04:55:32 PM
i am serious get him in on a free, his best mate is looking to make a comeback. why not?

wages, that's why not
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Quiet Lion on June 07, 2016, 05:10:27 PM: Can't think of a player less suited to the championship than berbatov.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Louzie0 on June 07, 2016, 05:19:23 PM: I'd love him to play for The Villa, though. Just one season. While he's still got it.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cheltenhamlion on June 07, 2016, 05:57:19 PM: Quote from: footyskillz on June 06, 2016, 10:34:00 PM
Steve Taylor released by Newcastle but model pro and would put likes of Richards and Leascott to shame with his no no sense attitude in defence . Also good enough expereince and worth having as a leader .

Ask yourself this Footy. Taylor has played his whole career at Newcastle who got relegated with us. They don't even see him as a useful reserve centre back. So why would he be a good signing for us?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: markeeeebeeee2005 on June 07, 2016, 07:01:44 PM: Quote from: footyskillz on June 06, 2016, 10:47:17 PM
Taylor is better than Richards or lescott at centre back and has a better attitude. So would bring expereince. I mean he's a no nonsene defender and puts his body online. Reminds me of a cross between Dunne and Collins. The one concern would be injury otherwise he's a captain material and decent championship level player

Ashley Young used to put his body online, but he was good.

Steven Taylor has just been released by Newcastle United who have been relegated for the second time while he's been at the club. If he's not good enough for them he's definitely not good enough for us.

As an aside his comedy handball and faking injury when we relegated them was brilliant, nearly as good as Bowyer and Dier tearing strips off each other.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xaewf9_geordie-comedy-gold-steven-taylor-h_sport
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on June 07, 2016, 07:27:02 PM: berbatov? fuck me!

a player past his best, doesnt really give a shit and looking for one last pay day

what could possibly go wrong?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Louzie0 on June 07, 2016, 07:31:35 PM: Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on June 07, 2016, 07:27:02 PM
berbatov? fuck me!

a player past his best, doesnt really give a shit and looking for one last pay day

what could possibly go wrong?

I can think of lots of things that could go wrong.
I also remember seeing him play. That's the point, really.
A Rolls Royce amongst, er, Robin Reliants.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: London Villan on June 07, 2016, 07:39:33 PM: Our first signing under the new regime will probably say a lot about the next couple of years...
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 07, 2016, 07:41:25 PM: Quote from: London Villan on June 07, 2016, 07:39:33 PM
Our first signing under the new regime will probably say a lot about the next couple of years...
Carlton Palmer, come on down.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on June 07, 2016, 07:45:56 PM: Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on June 07, 2016, 07:27:02 PM
berbatov? fuck me!

a player past his best, doesnt really give a shit and looking for one last pay day

what could possibly go wrong?

Didn't you see him on Sunday? Ran rings round Ben Sheppard, John Bishop and Paddy McGuiness..
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on June 07, 2016, 07:46:22 PM: Quote from: themossman on June 07, 2016, 04:27:29 PM
The great thing about Berbatov is that every time he gets a year older we drop a league so he can continue to be 'on the radar' well into his twilight years.
The problem with signing Berbatov (for any club) is the taxi required to get him round the pitch during match days. The groundsman would be up in in arms at the damage to the pitch.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: eamonn on June 07, 2016, 07:47:27 PM: He turned us down when were a Premier League side a year ago, I can't imagine us having gotten shitter will have changed ''Dimi's'' mind.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on June 07, 2016, 07:53:47 PM: Berbatov? Really? I reckon RDM will want much more mobility, decent player though he is.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on June 07, 2016, 07:54:35 PM: Our mate Gregg at the Birmingham Mail reckons Dwight Gayle could be up for sale this summer and we are monitoring the situation. Would be a good signing for us.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on June 07, 2016, 07:57:02 PM: Quote from: Newby on June 07, 2016, 07:53:47 PM
Berbatov? Really? I reckon RDM will want much more mobility, decent player though he is.
I reckon I'm more mobile than Berbatov and I'm about 5kg overweight and shuffling around on crutches after a cartilage op.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on June 07, 2016, 08:03:52 PM: Quote from: Villa in Denmark on June 07, 2016, 07:57:02 PM
Quote from: Newby on June 07, 2016, 07:53:47 PM
Berbatov? Really? I reckon RDM will want much more mobility, decent player though he is.
I reckon I'm more mobile than Berbatov and I'm about 5kg overweight and shuffling around on crutches after a cartilage op.

You're in. Surely better than Gabby! You're starting up top. Use those crutches to hold the ball up. Get it wide, get in the box.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: walsall villain on June 07, 2016, 08:11:04 PM: Quote from: Newby on June 07, 2016, 08:03:52 PM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on June 07, 2016, 07:57:02 PM
Quote from: Newby on June 07, 2016, 07:53:47 PM
Berbatov? Really? I reckon RDM will want much more mobility, decent player though he is.
I reckon I'm more mobile than Berbatov and I'm about 5kg overweight and shuffling around on crutches after a cartilage op.

You're in. Surely better than Gabby! You're starting up top. Use those crutches to hold the ball up. Get it wide, get in the box.
and you can use your crutches to point with great authority. You can take over the pointing duties from Westwood.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on June 07, 2016, 09:01:28 PM: Quote from: Newby on June 07, 2016, 08:03:52 PM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on June 07, 2016, 07:57:02 PM
Quote from: Newby on June 07, 2016, 07:53:47 PM
Berbatov? Really? I reckon RDM will want much more mobility, decent player though he is.
I reckon I'm more mobile than Berbatov and I'm about 5kg overweight and shuffling around on crutches after a cartilage op.

You're in. Surely better than Gabby! You're starting up top. Use those crutches to hold the ball up. Get it wide, get in the box.

the lunchbox

or picnic hamper
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on June 07, 2016, 09:07:59 PM: Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on June 07, 2016, 09:01:28 PM
Quote from: Newby on June 07, 2016, 08:03:52 PM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on June 07, 2016, 07:57:02 PM
Quote from: Newby on June 07, 2016, 07:53:47 PM
Berbatov? Really? I reckon RDM will want much more mobility, decent player though he is.
I reckon I'm more mobile than Berbatov and I'm about 5kg overweight and shuffling around on crutches after a cartilage op.

You're in. Surely better than Gabby! You're starting up top. Use those crutches to hold the ball up. Get it wide, get in the box.

the lunchbox

or picnic hamper

Right, I am naming you captain too. You are to give less of a fuck than Richards, clearly you have an extremely difficult job to do because Micah was excellent at doing this.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on June 07, 2016, 09:31:14 PM: Linked with Dwight Gayle. That'd be a good signing
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VancouverLion on June 07, 2016, 09:39:55 PM: Gayle would show we mean business IMO, a cracking player!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on June 07, 2016, 09:41:30 PM: We are still talking about Dwight Gayle?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on June 07, 2016, 09:42:02 PM: Quote from: Newby on June 07, 2016, 09:07:59 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on June 07, 2016, 09:01:28 PM
Quote from: Newby on June 07, 2016, 08:03:52 PM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on June 07, 2016, 07:57:02 PM
Quote from: Newby on June 07, 2016, 07:53:47 PM
Berbatov? Really? I reckon RDM will want much more mobility, decent player though he is.
I reckon I'm more mobile than Berbatov and I'm about 5kg overweight and shuffling around on crutches after a cartilage op.

You're in. Surely better than Gabby! You're starting up top. Use those crutches to hold the ball up. Get it wide, get in the box.

the lunchbox

or picnic hamper

Right, I am naming you captain too. You are to give less of a fuck than Richards, clearly you have an extremely difficult job to do because Micah was excellent at doing this.

if you can also wander about aimlessly and act surprised when a attacker gets behind you the jobs yours

if you can be arsed

however think gayle would be a decent signing and a statement of intent
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 07, 2016, 09:52:16 PM: IMO Dwight Gayle is shit. Just like Gabby used to Gayle seems to manage a good month each year and is wank the rest of the time.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Duncan Shaw on June 07, 2016, 10:23:23 PM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 07, 2016, 09:52:16 PM
IMO Dwight Gayle is shit. Just like Gabby used to Gayle seems to manage a good month each year and is wank the rest of the time.

**Sigh** Sitting on the fence again I see.......come on tell us what you really think of him!
For what it's worth, I agree with you.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on June 07, 2016, 10:29:01 PM: He's got a much better eye for goal than flabby and much better movement.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tony Erdington on June 07, 2016, 10:49:27 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on June 07, 2016, 10:29:01 PM
He's got a much better eye for goal than flabby and much better movement.

Enough about the sloth, bring Emile he scores when he wants
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: paul_e on June 07, 2016, 11:01:02 PM: I really don't get the appeal of Dwight Gayle, he's never even got double figures in a professional league, yes he looks busy but he doesn't create chances and he doesn't score goals.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 07, 2016, 11:14:28 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on June 07, 2016, 10:29:01 PM
He's got a much better eye for goal than flabby and much better movement.

1 in 4 in his 3 seasons with Palace, 7 league goals, then 5, and 3 last season. Not much of an eye!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 08, 2016, 12:00:32 AM: He's not a great player but we are talking about a division where Rudy got 20. In fact I'd bet if Gabby gave 1/10 of a shit and got himself into prime shape he'd bag quite a few. But that's not going to happen because he's a selfish waster. Gayle would score goals if the service was good. Another player who would be perfectly fine at our current level, but utterly replaceable when we go back up.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on June 08, 2016, 12:20:43 AM: Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 08, 2016, 12:00:32 AM
He's not a great player but we are talking about a division where Rudy got 20. In fact I'd bet if Gabby gave 1/10 of a shit and got himself into prime shape he'd bag quite a few. But that's not going to happen because he's a selfish waster. Gayle would score goals if the service was good. Another player who would be perfectly fine at our current level, but utterly replaceable when we go back up.

A good season in the Championship would see him retain his value as well. I would like to see him or Wells from Huddersfield, but wouldn't be overly disappointed with Bamford either.

In terms of players coming in, I think there has to be an acceptance of where we are at the moment. We're shopping in Aldi now.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VILLA MOLE on June 08, 2016, 12:25:10 AM: Quote from: tomd2103 on June 08, 2016, 12:20:43 AM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 08, 2016, 12:00:32 AM
He's not a great player but we are talking about a division where Rudy got 20. In fact I'd bet if Gabby gave 1/10 of a shit and got himself into prime shape he'd bag quite a few. But that's not going to happen because he's a selfish waster. Gayle would score goals if the service was good. Another player who would be perfectly fine at our current level, but utterly replaceable when we go back up.

A good season in the Championship would see him retain his value as well. I would like to see him or Wells from Huddersfield, but wouldn't be overly disappointed with Bamford either.

In terms of players coming in, I think there has to be an acceptance of where we are at the moment. We're shopping in Aldi now.

Aldi do some good stuff though , there should be some bargains and ski wear
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KevinGage on June 08, 2016, 12:51:06 AM: Wasn't Gayle photographed living it up with Gabby and Richards in Dubai back in March? I'm sure they'd help him settle right in, and instill the high standards expected at the club.

Judge a man by the friends he keeps, and all that. It's a no for me.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: olaftab on June 08, 2016, 01:16:17 AM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 07, 2016, 09:52:16 PM
IMO Dwight Gayle is shit. Just like Gabby used to Gayle seems to manage a good month each year and is wank the rest of the time.
That's not an opinion that's a fact.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: olaftab on June 08, 2016, 01:17:27 AM: Quote from: ozzjim on June 07, 2016, 10:29:01 PM
He's got a much better eye for goal than flabby and much better movement.
Really? How many has he scored?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on June 08, 2016, 01:26:17 AM: Quote from: cheltenhamlion on June 07, 2016, 05:57:19 PM
Quote from: footyskillz on June 06, 2016, 10:34:00 PM
Steve Taylor released by Newcastle but model pro and would put likes of Richards and Leascott to shame with his no no sense attitude in defence . Also good enough expereince and worth having as a leader .

Ask yourself this Footy. Taylor has played his whole career at Newcastle who got relegated with us. They don't even see him as a useful reserve centre back. So why would he be a good signing for us?

Well CH I thinking he's useful addition and a leader type . It's a good point about not being good enough at Newcastle why then villa. I think there's a hope a new club would bring something for him . His injuries main concern.

Maybe realistically now don't have to get players not on frees as was thinking cheaper but solid option. A nice move for someone loan like chambers at arsenal or paddy mcnair at man utd is too fanciful so a compromise is player of Taylor ilk.

Steve Clarke had Liam Ridgewell at WBA ....
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VancouverLion on June 08, 2016, 04:31:58 AM: 13 goals in 27 for Posh
25 goals in 74 (37) from the bench for Palace
Suggests he has an eye for goal
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on June 08, 2016, 08:37:37 AM: Quote from: VancouverLion on June 08, 2016, 04:31:58 AM
13 goals in 27 for Posh
25 goals in 74 (37) from the bench for Palace
Suggests he has an eye for goal

It's not a bad record once you account for the fact that he's made a lot of sub appearances (and that 13 in 29 in his only season in the Championship equates to 20 over 46 games), but he doesn't seem to add much else, so unless we could get him for a couple of million and not count on him as our main striker, I think we need to try for someone a little more well-rounded.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: prmort on June 08, 2016, 08:46:09 AM: Quote from: passitsideways on June 08, 2016, 08:37:37 AM
Quote from: VancouverLion on June 08, 2016, 04:31:58 AM
13 goals in 27 for Posh
25 goals in 74 (37) from the bench for Palace
Suggests he has an eye for goal

It's not a bad record once you account for the fact that he's made a lot of sub appearances (and that 13 in 29 in his only season in the Championship equates to 20 over 46 games), but he doesn't seem to add much else, so unless we could get him for a couple of million and not count on him as our main striker, I think we need to try for someone a little more well-rounded.

... We've already got a well rounded striker.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: nigel on June 08, 2016, 09:48:02 AM: Quote from: tomd2103 on June 08, 2016, 12:20:43 AM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 08, 2016, 12:00:32 AM
He's not a great player but we are talking about a division where Rudy got 20. In fact I'd bet if Gabby gave 1/10 of a shit and got himself into prime shape he'd bag quite a few. But that's not going to happen because he's a selfish waster. Gayle would score goals if the service was good. Another player who would be perfectly fine at our current level, but utterly replaceable when we go back up.

A good season in the Championship would see him retain his value as well. I would like to see him or Wells from Huddersfield, but wouldn't be overly disappointed with Bamford either.

In terms of players coming in, I think there has to be an acceptance of where we are at the moment. We're shopping in Aldi now.

Said before, Wells would be a great buy.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: paul_e on June 08, 2016, 09:51:29 AM: Some slight liberties taken with those scoring records, 8 of the 25 for Palace have been against lower league sides in the league cup for example. his league record was 13 in 29 for Peterborough and 15 in 63 for palace. That's not a terrible record but not outstanding either. However what I find far more worrying is that in the 4 seasons that are covered he's played 92 league games out of about 150. If that was due to injuries I'd be less concerned but often he's been fit and available but hasn't got into the team, either being stuck on the bench or not even making the squad. What must be wrong with his attitude for 3-4 managers to all treat him as a bit part player so consistently? Everything about him screams avoid for me.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 08, 2016, 10:04:52 AM: 9 of his Palace goals are cup goals, against the likes of Walsall, Shrewsbury, Charlton and Dover. Since scoring twice against Burnley in mid Jan 2015 he's scored 3 league goals and managed to go over a year without one. And since that Burnley game he's even been outscored by Gabby.
If we did sign him I hope he proves wrong and smashes them in but I think he's crap and we can do better even allowing for where we currently are. And I can't help wondering why Palace have been trying to shift him for a year when the rest of their strikers score even less than him, Scott Dann was their joint highest league scorer last season.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on June 08, 2016, 10:06:53 AM: Up early again Mr Shin ?

I thought that Gayle was heading to Brizzle City last year but wouldn't drop to the Championship
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on June 08, 2016, 10:09:08 AM: Palace have been shit up front for years and he still can't nail down a spot. I know we're in the first division but let's not spend £8m on him and then get promoted and have both him and Gestede incapable of playing in the top division.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Stirchley Villain on June 08, 2016, 10:50:07 AM: Quote from: aj2k77 on June 08, 2016, 10:09:08 AM
Palace have been shit up front for years and he still can't nail down a spot. I know we're in the first division but let's not spend £8m on him and then get promoted and have both him and Gestede incapable of playing in the top division.

If they're both so shit and will be playing for us why do you think we'd get promoted?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on June 08, 2016, 11:59:35 AM: Quote from: Stirchley Villain on June 08, 2016, 10:50:07 AM
Quote from: aj2k77 on June 08, 2016, 10:09:08 AM
Palace have been shit up front for years and he still can't nail down a spot. I know we're in the first division but let's not spend £8m on him and then get promoted and have both him and Gestede incapable of playing in the top division.

If they're both so shit and will be playing for us why do you think we'd get promoted?

Levels. Gayle isn't particularly good in the Premier League, Gestede is shit in the Premier League, both have done the business in the Championship. It's a tough balance between just buying players who can do a job in the division we are in and trying to find those who can make the step up and be a decent force in the division above, which we have to be aiming for in another 12 months.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: pbavfckuwait on June 08, 2016, 01:26:54 PM: To be fair to Gestede, he may not be that shit, we never ever used him to his strengths and trying to settle into that dressing room last year, with the festering shit that was there could not have been easy.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on June 08, 2016, 02:09:33 PM: I don't think you can just build a team around a Gestede in the Premier League these days, a guy who stands in the area and hopes to get his head on something, everywhere else he's a total liability.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: AVH87 on June 08, 2016, 02:44:36 PM: Quote from: aj2k77 on June 08, 2016, 02:09:33 PM
I don't think you can just build a team around a Gestede in the Premier League these days, a guy who stands in the area and hopes to get his head on something, everywhere else he's a total liability.

Exactly. People say play to his strengths, he literally has one.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on June 08, 2016, 02:48:26 PM: Still shouldn't ignore it when he is playing though.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Gareth on June 08, 2016, 02:57:09 PM: Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on June 06, 2016, 10:53:02 PM
I've heard the True Geordie mention Taylor a few times.

Let's just say it's never positive.

The phrase 'only in the squad as token Geordie' I've heard from a few - no better than Clark, Baker, Okore or even Lescott - no thanks for me
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on June 08, 2016, 03:25:38 PM: Benteke has said it will be difficult to stay at Liverpool this summer, so let's go for broke and get him re-signed.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on June 08, 2016, 03:33:32 PM: Benteke is as likely as Xia pulling off a mask and revealing himself to be Doug Ellis.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on June 08, 2016, 04:24:55 PM: of course, but let's dream!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 08, 2016, 04:35:15 PM: Quote from: aj2k77 on June 08, 2016, 03:33:32 PM
Benteke is as likely as Xia pulling off a mask and revealing himself to be Doug Ellis.

On top of all the other doubts about Dr Xia I'd prefer not to have expressions such as 'pulling off' and 'revealing himself' used anywhere near him thank you very much.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on June 08, 2016, 04:50:24 PM: Rumours on twitter of Tommy Elphick
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 08, 2016, 04:52:09 PM: Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on June 08, 2016, 04:50:24 PM
Rumours on twitter of Tommy Elphick

I thought he died years ago, and Boon was crap so it's a no from me.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: avfcdale on June 08, 2016, 05:02:44 PM: was good in the elephant man though
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on June 08, 2016, 05:06:13 PM: And Withnail and I. Let's hope he doesn't threaten Hutton with a dead fish.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: garyshawsknee on June 08, 2016, 05:06:27 PM: I quite liked 3 up 2 down, though I was only 10 at the time.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 08, 2016, 05:06:37 PM: Quote from: avfcdale on June 08, 2016, 05:02:44 PM
was good in the elephant man though

Was a bit much taking this selfie with the star of the film though.

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/q2KEN8XBL00/hqdefault.jpg)
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VILLA MOLE on June 08, 2016, 05:07:36 PM: got to be boon
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on June 08, 2016, 05:34:30 PM: Isn't that Michael Elphick?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: adrenachrome on June 08, 2016, 05:54:57 PM: I thought he was excellent in Private Schulz alongside Ian Richardson.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: john e on June 08, 2016, 05:55:36 PM: I met Michael Elphick once back in the 80's at Truckfest when I was working for Scania
He was a guest on the local radio show that went out live from our show trailer

Pissed out of his head he was
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on June 08, 2016, 06:44:03 PM: I met him quite by chance in a London bistro in 1993 and he was out of it then too.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Virgil Caine on June 08, 2016, 07:00:09 PM: He also, for a while, owned and would be seen in The Black Swan in Henley-in -Arden.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on June 08, 2016, 07:15:52 PM: I can't get the theme tune from boon out my head now
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tony Erdington on June 08, 2016, 07:25:04 PM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on June 08, 2016, 05:06:37 PM
Quote from: avfcdale on June 08, 2016, 05:02:44 PM
was good in the elephant man though

Was a bit much taking this selfie with the star of the film though.

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/q2KEN8XBL00/hqdefault.jpg)

Bolox that's Benny Hill
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: themossman on June 08, 2016, 07:36:55 PM: Boon was in Thrones the other night. No hold on that was Lovejoy.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 08, 2016, 07:58:10 PM: Quote from: john e on June 08, 2016, 05:55:36 PM
I met Michael Elphick once back in the 80's at Truckfest when I was working for Scania
He was a guest on the local radio show that went out live from our show trailer

Pissed out of his head he was

He used to live at the Holiday Inn in town when filming Boon back in the 80s and he was constantly pissed. God knows how he got through filming.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: john e on June 08, 2016, 08:29:00 PM: Quote from: saunders_heroes on June 08, 2016, 07:58:10 PM
Quote from: john e on June 08, 2016, 05:55:36 PM
I met Michael Elphick once back in the 80's at Truckfest when I was working for Scania
He was a guest on the local radio show that went out live from our show trailer

Pissed out of his head he was

He used to live at the Holiday Inn in town when filming Boon back in the 80s and he was constantly pissed. God knows how he got through filming.

In fairness I think it did for the poor fella in the end
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: DaveD on June 08, 2016, 10:03:06 PM: Quote from: john e on June 08, 2016, 08:29:00 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on June 08, 2016, 07:58:10 PM
Quote from: john e on June 08, 2016, 05:55:36 PM
I met Michael Elphick once back in the 80's at Truckfest when I was working for Scania
He was a guest on the local radio show that went out live from our show trailer

Pissed out of his head he was

He used to live at the Holiday Inn in town when filming Boon back in the 80s and he was constantly pissed. God knows how he got through filming.

In fairness I think it did for the poor fella in the end

I bumped into him in the pub opposite the Hippodrome in the early 90s. I smiled and said "hi" before I realised I only recognised him off the telly. He smiled back and nodded, and carried on his way. I bet celebs get that all the time.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 08, 2016, 10:24:38 PM: Another thread ruined.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on June 08, 2016, 10:34:54 PM: He was in an episode of Auf Weidersein Pet as well, I think Oz ended up chinning him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on June 08, 2016, 11:03:09 PM: Still, the elephant man had it coming to him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on June 09, 2016, 07:20:38 AM: He played the poacher in Withnail & I.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mattjpa on June 09, 2016, 07:47:04 AM: I think the lack of anything happening along with the mini heatwave is sending forum posters in here a bit funny. Are there any threads left still talking about the subject matter in the title thread?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cheltenhamlion on June 09, 2016, 07:59:53 AM: Quote from: PeterWithe on June 08, 2016, 10:34:54 PM
He was in an episode of Auf Weidersein Pet as well, I think Oz ended up chinning him.

I think he played a character named McGowan in one of the early ones. Oz was pissed off because he nicked the dartboard.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on June 09, 2016, 08:42:02 AM: in other news the Queen is celebrating her 90th birthday for the third time this year.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on June 09, 2016, 08:45:45 AM: I wish you had said twice Mr U. I could have riposted with. 180 !!!!!!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dazvillain on June 09, 2016, 09:39:59 AM: My cousins are st holders at Bournemouth and just sent texts saying they have good authority that Tommy Elphick coming to us as club captain !? They showed me screen shot from text convos from the players family at a wedding as one of them is close friend..... Surprise for me.... Any rumours of this from the villa side ?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: DBTW on June 09, 2016, 09:47:58 AM: Elphick 100% signing, from the horses mouth, so to speak
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Monty on June 09, 2016, 09:53:14 AM: Now, I know I don't keep up with all the world's football as well as I used to, but what exactly is Tommy Elphick?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on June 09, 2016, 09:55:30 AM: Quote from: Dazvillain on June 09, 2016, 09:39:59 AM
My cousins are st holders at Bournemouth and just sent texts saying they have good authority that Tommy Elphick coming to us as club captain !? They showed me screen shot from text convos from the players family at a wedding as one of them is close friend..... Surprise for me.... Any rumours of this from the villa side ?

That's some Private Eye work of the quality of Boon to break the Elphick story
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: paul_e on June 09, 2016, 09:57:28 AM: Quote from: Monty on June 09, 2016, 09:53:14 AM
Now, I know I don't keep up with all the world's football as well as I used to, but what exactly is Tommy Elphick?

Central defender, started last season pretty well but got an injury in the autumn and was out for a while then couldn't get back into the team. I think.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dazvillain on June 09, 2016, 09:58:11 AM: Think he was their captain for promotion team
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Hookeysmith on June 09, 2016, 09:58:29 AM: TBH I know nothing about him other than a centre half

Can it be that RDM has talent spotted this guy already or is there another way that we scout for potential players?

And more to the point - whose money are we using to buy him?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on June 09, 2016, 10:06:51 AM: Remember our scout who should have been in Germany or Spain but ended up going to Uni? It was Bournemouth Uni.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Hookeysmith on June 09, 2016, 10:19:20 AM: Quote from: peter w on June 09, 2016, 10:06:51 AM
Remember our scout who should have been in Germany or Spain but ended up going to Uni? It was Bournemouth Uni.

Oh dear
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: placeforparks on June 09, 2016, 10:22:07 AM: verdict from the bournemouth fan at work on elphick:

"good leader, but lacks pace. does a job in the championship but struggled with the step-up to the premier league."
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on June 09, 2016, 10:42:03 AM: He played against us back in April.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: markeeeebeeee2005 on June 09, 2016, 10:45:34 AM: A good leader is a step up from any of our defenders this season.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on June 09, 2016, 10:50:02 AM: Even if the takeover isn't 100% surely we've gotta to start to strengthen now, Club has sky money, sponsor money etc?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve R on June 09, 2016, 10:53:11 AM: He is a totally immobile lump who won't have got any quicker over the course of this last year. If he's coming here as a defensive coach with some brief as a registered player then that is perfectly OK. Otherwise, Jesus H. C. I hope he's not putting too big a dent in that lovely 50 mill that Dr X has earmarked for player acquisition.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on June 09, 2016, 10:55:31 AM: For Elphick see Sims, S. He worked out well enough for one season.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on June 09, 2016, 10:58:37 AM: Quote from: peter w on June 09, 2016, 10:55:31 AM
For Elphick see Sims, S. He worked out well enough for one season.

I was just thinking that. Sometimes you need those type of players to help get you out of the division.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on June 09, 2016, 10:59:30 AM: I don't know anything about him, but he must have been better than a useless big lump to have won the league with Bournemouth as their captain.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Small Rodent on June 09, 2016, 11:02:43 AM: I Bought a Vampire Motorcycle
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on June 09, 2016, 11:06:06 AM: congratulations
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: chrisw1 on June 09, 2016, 11:11:51 AM: Quote from: paul_e on June 09, 2016, 09:57:28 AM
Quote from: Monty on June 09, 2016, 09:53:14 AM
Now, I know I don't keep up with all the world's football as well as I used to, but what exactly is Tommy Elphick?

Central defender, started last season pretty well but got an injury in the autumn and was out for a while then couldn't get back into the team. I think.

We're living the Xia dream already. So exciting.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dazvillain on June 09, 2016, 11:13:59 AM: In amongst Eddie howes talent for motivating and team ethic he's a good choice being their club and team captain I'm sure. Although injured and missed quite a few games he seems more of a warrior than lescott and Richards . Lot of Bournemouth folk considering it a done deal apparently
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on June 09, 2016, 11:25:01 AM: Quote from: PeterWithe on June 08, 2016, 10:34:54 PM
He was in an episode of Auf Weidersein Pet as well, I think Oz ended up chinning him.

And he played George Cooper, Jimmy's old man, in Quadrophenia
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on June 09, 2016, 11:32:52 AM: This boon signing has all the hallmarks of a Lerner type purchase.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: godzvilla on June 09, 2016, 11:35:06 AM: Quote from: Small Rodent on June 09, 2016, 11:02:43 AM
I Bought a Vampire Motorcycle
Cult classic Brum Horror Movie ( " The Evil Dead meets Carry on Screaming" ...if memory serves ) , also ´starred´Neil Morrissey.......why on earth do I know these things?!...........Godzvilla!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: old man villa fan on June 09, 2016, 11:48:51 AM: Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on June 09, 2016, 10:50:02 AM
Even if the takeover isn't 100% surely we've gotta to start to strengthen now, Club has sky money, sponsor money etc?

But no transfer window.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: in exile on June 09, 2016, 11:54:32 AM: Quote from: old man villa fan on June 09, 2016, 11:48:51 AM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on June 09, 2016, 10:50:02 AM
Even if the takeover isn't 100% surely we've gotta to start to strengthen now, Club has sky money, sponsor money etc?

But no transfer window.

Transfer window opens today
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: CJ on June 09, 2016, 11:59:09 AM: Quote from: in exile on June 09, 2016, 11:54:32 AM
Quote from: old man villa fan on June 09, 2016, 11:48:51 AM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on June 09, 2016, 10:50:02 AM
Even if the takeover isn't 100% surely we've gotta to start to strengthen now, Club has sky money, sponsor money etc?

But no transfer window.

Transfer window opens today

Thought it was 1st July? As an aside we officially ceased to be a PL club yesterday :(
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: old man villa fan on June 09, 2016, 12:07:02 PM: Quote from: CJ on June 09, 2016, 11:59:09 AM
Quote from: in exile on June 09, 2016, 11:54:32 AM
Quote from: old man villa fan on June 09, 2016, 11:48:51 AM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on June 09, 2016, 10:50:02 AM
Even if the takeover isn't 100% surely we've gotta to start to strengthen now, Club has sky money, sponsor money etc?

But no transfer window.

Transfer window opens today

Thought it was 1st July? As an aside we officially ceased to be a PL club yesterday :(

I thought it was 1st July also.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on June 09, 2016, 12:08:15 PM: Quote from: Steve R on June 09, 2016, 10:53:11 AM
He is a totally immobile lump who won't have got any quicker over the course of this last year. If he's coming here as a defensive coach with some brief as a registered player then that is perfectly OK. Otherwise, Jesus H. C. I hope he's not putting too big a dent in that lovely 50 mill that Dr X has earmarked for player acquisition.

Shall we put you down as 'undecided'?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ACVilla on June 09, 2016, 12:09:36 PM: I know nothing of Tommy Elphick as a footballer but I did see him as a guest on Soccer Sunday earlier this year and he came across very, very well. He seemed a decent guy with his head screwed on. He was very much the opposite of the much maligned "modern footballer", more of which would be welcomed by fans and staff alike at BH I'm sure.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on June 09, 2016, 12:09:45 PM: Quote from: cheltenhamlion on June 09, 2016, 07:59:53 AM
Quote from: PeterWithe on June 08, 2016, 10:34:54 PM
He was in an episode of Auf Weidersein Pet as well, I think Oz ended up chinning him.

I think he played a character named McGowan in one of the early ones. Oz was pissed off because he nicked the dartboard.

Did Wayne bang his daughter or am I thinking of another episode?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on June 09, 2016, 12:11:06 PM: Quote from: old man villa fan on June 09, 2016, 12:07:02 PM
Quote from: CJ on June 09, 2016, 11:59:09 AM
Quote from: in exile on June 09, 2016, 11:54:32 AM
Quote from: old man villa fan on June 09, 2016, 11:48:51 AM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on June 09, 2016, 10:50:02 AM
Even if the takeover isn't 100% surely we've gotta to start to strengthen now, Club has sky money, sponsor money etc?

But no transfer window.

Transfer window opens today

Thought it was 1st July? As an aside we officially ceased to be a PL club yesterday :(

I thought it was 1st July also.

Contracts run July to July, but there's nothing stopping anyone from agreeing transfer fees and terms whenever they want.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on June 09, 2016, 12:11:26 PM: Quote from: mattjpa on June 09, 2016, 07:47:04 AM
I think the lack of anything happening along with the mini heatwave is sending forum posters in here a bit funny. Are there any threads left still talking about the subject matter in the title thread?

I don't think there ever has been. Whatever the weather, and long may it continue.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on June 09, 2016, 12:20:29 PM: To be fair if you want a forum where the threads don't quite often meander then I suggest H&V isn't for you.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve R on June 09, 2016, 01:28:36 PM: Quote from: PeterWithe on June 09, 2016, 12:08:15 PM
Quote from: Steve R on June 09, 2016, 10:53:11 AM
He is a totally immobile lump who won't have got any quicker over the course of this last year. If he's coming here as a defensive coach with some brief as a registered player then that is perfectly OK. Otherwise, Jesus H. C. I hope he's not putting too big a dent in that lovely 50 mill that Dr X has earmarked for player acquisition.

Shall we put you down as 'undecided'?

Thanks, I'd like to hedge my bets with this one.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: in exile on June 09, 2016, 01:56:04 PM: Quote from: Dave on June 09, 2016, 12:11:06 PM
Quote from: old man villa fan on June 09, 2016, 12:07:02 PM
Quote from: CJ on June 09, 2016, 11:59:09 AM
Quote from: in exile on June 09, 2016, 11:54:32 AM
Quote from: old man villa fan on June 09, 2016, 11:48:51 AM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on June 09, 2016, 10:50:02 AM
Even if the takeover isn't 100% surely we've gotta to start to strengthen now, Club has sky money, sponsor money etc?

But no transfer window.

Transfer window opens today

Thought it was 1st July? As an aside we officially ceased to be a PL club yesterday :(

I thought it was 1st July also.

Contracts run July to July, but there's nothing stopping anyone from agreeing transfer fees and terms whenever they want.

I was going by something I saw in the side bar on Sky Sports News HQ a couple of weeks ago. The date stuck in my mind as its my birthday ;)
Sorry if my info is wrong
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: old man villa fan on June 09, 2016, 01:57:44 PM: Quote from: Dave on June 09, 2016, 12:11:06 PM
Quote from: old man villa fan on June 09, 2016, 12:07:02 PM
Quote from: CJ on June 09, 2016, 11:59:09 AM
Quote from: in exile on June 09, 2016, 11:54:32 AM
Quote from: old man villa fan on June 09, 2016, 11:48:51 AM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on June 09, 2016, 10:50:02 AM
Even if the takeover isn't 100% surely we've gotta to start to strengthen now, Club has sky money, sponsor money etc?

But no transfer window.

Transfer window opens today

Thought it was 1st July? As an aside we officially ceased to be a PL club yesterday :(

I thought it was 1st July also.

Contracts run July to July, but there's nothing stopping anyone from agreeing transfer fees and terms whenever they want.

Agreed but until a player is registered (which I think coincides with a players contract starting), they can always change their mind.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: old man villa fan on June 09, 2016, 01:58:31 PM: Quote from: in exile on June 09, 2016, 01:56:04 PM
Quote from: Dave on June 09, 2016, 12:11:06 PM
Quote from: old man villa fan on June 09, 2016, 12:07:02 PM
Quote from: CJ on June 09, 2016, 11:59:09 AM
Quote from: in exile on June 09, 2016, 11:54:32 AM
Quote from: old man villa fan on June 09, 2016, 11:48:51 AM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on June 09, 2016, 10:50:02 AM
Even if the takeover isn't 100% surely we've gotta to start to strengthen now, Club has sky money, sponsor money etc?

But no transfer window.

Transfer window opens today

Thought it was 1st July? As an aside we officially ceased to be a PL club yesterday :(

I thought it was 1st July also.

Contracts run July to July, but there's nothing stopping anyone from agreeing transfer fees and terms whenever they want.

I was going by something I saw in the side bar on Sky Sports News HQ a couple of weeks ago. The date stuck in my mind as its my birthday ;)
Sorry if my info is wrong

I think Scotland's opens today.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: in exile on June 09, 2016, 01:59:22 PM: Ah, that would make sense, thank you
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on June 09, 2016, 02:11:06 PM: The transfer window does open today. not just in Scotland.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: OCD on June 09, 2016, 02:16:31 PM: Deals can be done anytime. I think it's just that you can register a new player for next season until 1st July. On the rare occasion where I've known what was going on in a transfer deal, it opens your eyes as to just how far behind the media (even social media) with what's actually happening behind the scenes. It wouldn't surprise me if a number of deals, in and out, were already agreed in principle but a long way off being official.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: CJ on June 09, 2016, 04:06:18 PM: Quote from: peter w on June 09, 2016, 02:11:06 PM
The transfer window does open today. not just in Scotland.

I'm confused. According to wiki (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transfer_window) it opens in Scotland today and England on 1st July, and that date is supported by Talkshite (http://talksport.com/football/when-does-summer-transfer-window-open-all-you-need-know-here-160517196213) , an (albeit old) article in The Mirror (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/summer-transfer-window-open-you-7293558) , and the Meaning Evil (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/summer-transfer-window-open-everything-11348422) among others, but according to Sky (http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11661/10280331/when-does-the-transfer-window-open) and, more importantly, the Bristol Post (http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/does-transfer-window-open-close-2016-17/story-29366358-detail/story.html) , it's today. So for absolute clarity I went onto the official Premier League (http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb/news/news/2016-17/summer-transfer-window-2016.html) site, where it definitively states the window opens 'soon'. Don't think I'll lose any sleep over it but it would be nice to know
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 09, 2016, 04:26:42 PM: It seems to me that every year somebody moans that we haven't bought anybody, then a few people pipe up that the transfer window isn't even open until such and such a date, 'so stop moaning'. It then follows that there are about two dozen transfers by other clubs before said official opening date.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on June 09, 2016, 04:47:25 PM: we're unlikely to do any business until Dr X is officially the new owner surely?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on June 09, 2016, 04:59:49 PM: As long they are ready in time for pre season training and their missus can find a home and schools for kids in time for new school year. Rather than join us on last day of August.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: OCD on June 09, 2016, 05:29:22 PM: Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on June 09, 2016, 04:59:49 PM
As long they are ready in time for pre season training and their missus can find a home and schools for kids in time for new school year. Rather than join us on last day of August.

How many clubs get all their business done before pre-season starts? As Percy says, there's the same conversation each window and probably on every other club's forum too. The majority of deals get done during the course of pre-season at a gradual pace and then there's a flurry of activity at the end of the window, probably because of agents.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on June 10, 2016, 06:07:34 AM: Shit load of links to myhill today

Meh
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on June 10, 2016, 07:10:21 AM: Solid keeper. Would be a decent signing.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on June 10, 2016, 07:49:45 AM: I don't rate him at all.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on June 10, 2016, 08:00:28 AM: Nor me. He's OK nothing more, rather play bunn
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: nigel on June 10, 2016, 08:01:42 AM: Quote from: PeterWithe on June 09, 2016, 12:09:45 PM
Quote from: cheltenhamlion on June 09, 2016, 07:59:53 AM
Quote from: PeterWithe on June 08, 2016, 10:34:54 PM
He was in an episode of Auf Weidersein Pet as well, I think Oz ended up chinning him.

I think he played a character named McGowan in one of the early ones. Oz was pissed off because he nicked the dartboard.

Did Wayne bang his daughter or am I thinking of another episode?

Nah, You're thinking of the pub landlords daughter in, I think, series 3, where they're doing the big old house up.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villafirst on June 10, 2016, 08:07:06 AM: Myhill is a definite upgrade on Bunn. We let Myhill go once?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on June 10, 2016, 08:30:09 AM: With good reason. He looked very poor at the Bitters last season.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on June 10, 2016, 08:44:17 AM: presumably this is the Lerner list, should the takeover go tits up.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on June 10, 2016, 08:46:46 AM: I don't think he looked very poor at the Albion just okay. He's better than Bunn. If Guzan can regain his confidence he could stay but there are so many tainted players right now its a temptation to replace many of them.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: maigrait on June 10, 2016, 09:29:08 AM: Couple of sites indicating that spurs could go in for gana release clause of just over 7m. He was okay and do a job for us but dont think would be too bothered if he went....
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: chrisw1 on June 10, 2016, 09:32:24 AM: Quote from: maigrait on June 10, 2016, 09:29:08 AM
Couple of sites indicating that spurs could go in for gana release clause of just over 7m. He was okay and do a job for us but dont think would be too bothered if he went....
He could be excellent. It would rather keep him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 10, 2016, 10:00:26 AM: Quote from: chrisw1 on June 10, 2016, 09:32:24 AM
Quote from: maigrait on June 10, 2016, 09:29:08 AM
Couple of sites indicating that spurs could go in for gana release clause of just over 7m. He was okay and do a job for us but dont think would be too bothered if he went....
He could be excellent. It would rather keep him.

I doubt he would stay though. Personally I don't think he's that brilliant despite a promising start.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on June 10, 2016, 10:42:22 AM: Mail saying a move for Dorrans is doomed as Norwich want to keep him..it'll probably happen now
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on June 10, 2016, 11:06:01 AM: I think he's decent in the Championship as a ball winning player, would likely be one of the better ones in the division. Not up to it in the premier League, but I guess that's a problem for July 2017.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Duncan Shaw on June 10, 2016, 11:07:24 AM: Quote from: Ads on June 10, 2016, 11:06:01 AM
I think he's decent in the Championship as a ball winning player, would likely be one of the better ones in the division. Not up to it in the premier League, but I guess that's a problem for July 2017.
And yet Spurs want him?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Chris Jameson on June 10, 2016, 11:18:21 AM: Quote from: Duncan Shaw on June 10, 2016, 11:07:24 AM
Quote from: Ads on June 10, 2016, 11:06:01 AM
I think he's decent in the Championship as a ball winning player, would likely be one of the better ones in the division. Not up to it in the premier League, but I guess that's a problem for July 2017.
And yet Spurs want him?

According to a couple of sites on the internet, one of which is probably run by a 14 year old in between lessons and the other is reporting what the 14 year old posted.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on June 10, 2016, 11:32:50 AM: Quote from: maigrait on June 10, 2016, 09:29:08 AM
Couple of sites indicating that spurs could go in for gana release clause of just over 7m. He was okay and do a job for us but dont think would be too bothered if he went....

Now we just need to go another club interested and start a bidding war ;)
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: RussellC on June 10, 2016, 11:40:55 AM: Tommy Elphick is exactly the type of player that we need to sign this summer IMO. He seems to have exactly the right character and attitude that our team (and squad) is completely devoid of at present. Would be a real coup IMO. Hopefully in the same vein as the last centre-back (I think) that we signed from Bournemouth.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on June 10, 2016, 11:49:29 AM: Quote from: Duncan Shaw on June 10, 2016, 11:07:24 AM
Quote from: Ads on June 10, 2016, 11:06:01 AM
I think he's decent in the Championship as a ball winning player, would likely be one of the better ones in the division. Not up to it in the premier League, but I guess that's a problem for July 2017.
And yet Spurs want him?

I'm on about Dorrans.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: RussellC on June 10, 2016, 11:55:27 AM: Dorrans is more of an attacking midfielder isn't he?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Chris Jameson on June 10, 2016, 12:05:50 PM: Quote from: Ads on June 10, 2016, 11:49:29 AM
Quote from: Duncan Shaw on June 10, 2016, 11:07:24 AM
Quote from: Ads on June 10, 2016, 11:06:01 AM
I think he's decent in the Championship as a ball winning player, would likely be one of the better ones in the division. Not up to it in the premier League, but I guess that's a problem for July 2017.
And yet Spurs want him?

I'm on about Dorrans.

*14 year old reports Spurs want to strengthen their midfield by raiding relegated Aston Villa and Norwich City for Gana and Dorrans*
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on June 10, 2016, 12:09:04 PM: He was at the Albion but he played deeper for Norwich.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on June 10, 2016, 01:54:37 PM: Dorrans was good for Albion 6 years ago.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 10, 2016, 02:11:05 PM: Steven Fletcher released by Sunderland, might be worth a shout in the Championship.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on June 10, 2016, 02:17:44 PM: Another who's been shit for a few years, he'd want pretty big wages.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 10, 2016, 02:18:42 PM: Depends on the offers he's getting, and I think he'd score plenty of goals in the Championship.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on June 10, 2016, 02:27:14 PM: I'd rather we had our eyes on some players who haven't reached their peak yet, off the back of decent seasons who could play at a higher level rather than sign a bunch of players who did well 5 years ago but haven't produced the good for the past few years on money that their past reputation demands but recent performance doesn't .

We have money and need to rebuild, I don't see any positives in continuing down the maybe they'll rediscover their form and desire path.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: LeeB on June 10, 2016, 02:29:32 PM: Quote from: aj2k77 on June 10, 2016, 02:27:14 PM
I'd rather we had our eyes on some players who haven't reached their peak yet, off the back of decent seasons who could play at a higher level rather than sign a bunch of players who did well 5 years ago but haven't produced the good for the past few years on money that their past reputation demands but recent performance doesn't .

We have money and need to rebuild, I don't see any positives in continuing down the maybe they'll rediscover their form and desire path.

I heartily agree.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: RussellC on June 10, 2016, 04:17:58 PM: Nick Powell also released by Utd. Looked good in The Championship for Wigan 2 seasons ago, might be worth a look?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: paul_e on June 10, 2016, 04:22:49 PM: I'd take a look at Powell, looked a very good player who has been screwed a little by united deciding to spend a quarter of a billion trying to get back to the top.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on June 10, 2016, 04:27:47 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 10, 2016, 02:11:05 PM
Steven Fletcher released by Sunderland, might be worth a shout in the Championship.

Played very well at Wolves. Good all round forward if we are short on money as we might be.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on June 10, 2016, 04:42:59 PM: Quote from: Ron Manager on June 10, 2016, 04:27:47 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 10, 2016, 02:11:05 PM
Steven Fletcher released by Sunderland, might be worth a shout in the Championship.

Played very well at Wolves. Good all round forward if we are short on money as we might be.

What makes you think we may be short on money so we need to sign the likes of Steven Fletcher?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 10, 2016, 05:05:12 PM: He'd be an upgrade on Gestede if we want a big target man. He scored goals wherever he has been. Not sure about his fitness thought, I guess Sunderland wouldn't he releasing him if he was close to his best. He'll probably go to America or Glasgow.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 10, 2016, 05:13:58 PM: Is he an upgrade on Gestede? His best season at Championship level wasn't as good as Rudy's. He just doesn't score enough goals. He works hard so he might be a good foil to a proper striker but for me he's a squad player or role player.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Chris Jameson on June 10, 2016, 05:34:39 PM: Quote from: paul_e on June 10, 2016, 04:22:49 PM
I'd take a look at Powell, looked a very good player who has been screwed a little by united deciding to spend a quarter of a billion trying to get back to the top.

Hasn't he spent most of his time being injured?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on June 10, 2016, 06:03:02 PM: 40 odd games in 4 years.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on June 10, 2016, 06:51:22 PM: Quote from: aj2k77 on June 10, 2016, 06:03:02 PM
40 odd games in 4 years.

Micah Richards part two.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on June 10, 2016, 07:10:47 PM: Some of the released players are interesting, for the Championship anyway. Delaney of Palace, Fletcher of Sunderland. Worth a punt but surely Delaney will get a new deal.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KevinGage on June 10, 2016, 07:23:43 PM: Delaney I would look at.

Not a player anyone will be talking about for decades to come, but more reliable than at least three of our current centre halves.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 10, 2016, 07:43:44 PM: Osman released he'd be useful.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: The Man With A Stick on June 10, 2016, 07:45:50 PM: Daily Heil reporting that we're signing a defender for £3m next week (the lad from Bournemouth maybe?) and we're working on deals for a defender, winger and striker.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt C on June 10, 2016, 10:02:05 PM: Osman would be a smart signing.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Richard on June 10, 2016, 10:11:53 PM: I like Osman but at 35 I'm not so sure.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Stirchley Villain on June 10, 2016, 10:13:03 PM: 1 year deal?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on June 10, 2016, 10:21:13 PM: Why would he accept a one-year deal?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 10, 2016, 10:22:31 PM: Osman at 35 would be fine he's never relied on pace. He's easily got another 2-3 years in him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on June 10, 2016, 10:26:20 PM: Quote from: peter w on June 10, 2016, 10:21:13 PM
Why would he accept a one-year deal?

Not likely to get a longer deal anywhere else is he, far better players than him still only get one year deals at that age. I'd take him if the deal was right, always thought he was a good player.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: curiousorange on June 10, 2016, 10:28:36 PM: I'm not bothered about offering players a one year deal to get us out of the division. I'd rather we signed players that will form a team which will get us promoted and keep us in the Premier League.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VancouverLion on June 10, 2016, 10:33:18 PM: Quote from: curiousorange on June 10, 2016, 10:28:36 PM
I'm not bothered about offering players a one year deal to get us out of the division. I'd rather we signed players that will form a team which will get us promoted and keep us in the Premier League.
I'd rather we do whatever we can to get out of this division then worry about who we bring in to keep us there personally.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Stirchley Villain on June 10, 2016, 10:34:54 PM: Quote from: peter w on June 10, 2016, 10:21:13 PM
Why would he accept a one-year deal?

Would you offer him three?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: curiousorange on June 10, 2016, 10:36:32 PM: Quote from: VancouverLion on June 10, 2016, 10:33:18 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on June 10, 2016, 10:28:36 PM
I'm not bothered about offering players a one year deal to get us out of the division. I'd rather we signed players that will form a team which will get us promoted and keep us in the Premier League.
I'd rather we do whatever we can to get out of this division then worry about who we bring in to keep us there personally.

The two aren't mutually exclusive.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Goldie.7 on June 10, 2016, 10:59:51 PM: Fletcher won't score enough and Osman is too old and past it. Apart from Parker, you won't find many 35 yr old midfielders playing in the championship. No to both.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on June 10, 2016, 11:38:13 PM: Carlos Sanchez being linked to serie A by newsnow. Take him, please!! Way too slow for the English league.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: olaftab on June 10, 2016, 11:44:03 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 10, 2016, 10:22:31 PM
Osman at 35 would be fine he's never relied on pace. He's easily got another 2-3 years in him.
When I heard had was being released I thought yes a player who could be very useful for us but 35 concerns me. We have had too many "rest home" types in the recent seasons.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: olaftab on June 10, 2016, 11:46:20 PM: Quote from: curiousorange on June 10, 2016, 10:28:36 PM
I'm not bothered about offering players a one year deal to get us out of the division. I'd rather we signed players that will form a team which will get us promoted and win the Premier League.
Fixed!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 10, 2016, 11:46:34 PM: Quote from: Newby on June 10, 2016, 11:38:13 PM
Carlos Sanchez being linked to serie A by newsnow. Take him, please!! Way too slow for the English league.

Nooooooo! I like Carlos.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: olaftab on June 10, 2016, 11:52:08 PM: And me. He will come good next season and go on and prosper in the Prem with us.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on June 10, 2016, 11:58:47 PM: Right, Aftab and cd on the naughty step please! Carlos is just too slow, doesn't pick up, gives the ball away too often. Great hair though!!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: CT Villan on June 11, 2016, 03:12:35 AM: Carlos will do something sublime to recover the ball then pass it straight to our opponent's striker on the edge of our box. Only Bacuna has a higher pass to the opposition completion %

He wasn't the worst of a bad bunch, but he won't be missed if he leaves.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on June 11, 2016, 03:17:03 AM: He struggled with the pace of the PL when it came to passing the ball - I don't see that as being a problem down in the Championship. His defensive work's just fine, as long as he's working in front of a well-organised back 4. Pretty excellent in the air, which I bet will be much more of an asset than it was in the PL.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: olaftab on June 11, 2016, 03:17:08 AM: Quote from: Newby on June 10, 2016, 11:58:47 PM
Right, Aftab and cd on the naughty step please! Carlos is just too slow, doesn't pick up, gives the ball away too often. Great hair though!!
That's what they said about Pogba!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt C on June 11, 2016, 03:17:31 AM: I'd bin the whole midfield and start again given the choice.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on June 11, 2016, 05:11:19 AM: I'd bin the whole team with the exception of Ayew
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt C on June 11, 2016, 05:43:09 AM: £12m Sunderland paid for Fletcher. £12m.

Not as bad as N'Zogbia, granted, but still.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ldavfc4eva on June 11, 2016, 06:21:05 AM: I think Sanchez could do a job in the championship, but he's another on where if we get a decent offer (£5m?) then get rid and let Roberto replace him with his own player. Osamn on a free may do a job for a season more with his a work rate and attitude perhaps than minutes on the pitch.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on June 11, 2016, 07:32:10 AM: Quote from: ldavfc4eva on June 11, 2016, 06:21:05 AM
I think Sanchez could do a job in the championship, but he's another on where if we get a decent offer (£5m?) then get rid and let Roberto replace him with his own player. Osamn on a free may do a job for a season more with his a work rate and attitude perhaps than minutes on the pitch.

I agree. Sometimes it's about getting players like Osman in because of his enthusiasm, energy and attitude. He's not going to get much of an offer from prem clubs I wouldn't have thought but would do a fine job at Villa for a year.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on June 11, 2016, 07:34:27 AM: Quote from: Newby on June 10, 2016, 11:58:47 PM
Right, Aftab and cd on the naughty step please! Carlos is just too slow, doesn't pick up, gives the ball away too often. Great hair though!!

Don't dislike him, but would definitely be open to offers. £5m sounds about right.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on June 11, 2016, 07:38:58 AM: Quote from: tomd2103 on June 11, 2016, 07:34:27 AM
Quote from: Newby on June 10, 2016, 11:58:47 PM
Right, Aftab and cd on the naughty step please! Carlos is just too slow, doesn't pick up, gives the ball away too often. Great hair though!!

Don't dislike him, but would definitely be open to offers. £5m sounds about right.

It's a shame Tom, because there is a player in there somewhere. The problem is, like Clark, Bacuna and the likes, for every three or four things he does well, he screws up and undoes it all again. He might improve with better coaching and he's great for his country, but, sadly not for Villa.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on June 11, 2016, 07:55:40 AM: i think a few players will benefit from what clarke will bring to the table and greater levels of fitness
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dazvillain on June 11, 2016, 08:44:57 AM: Quote from: The Man With A Stick on June 10, 2016, 07:45:50 PM
Daily Heil reporting that we're signing a defender for £3m next week (the lad from Bournemouth maybe?) and we're working on deals for a defender, winger and striker.
Yes as I reported a couple of days ago it seems like a progressive / done deal and pace gathering today on couple of sites and Twitter . My source close to cherries also saying that coming as captain... I can't see that being a pre requisite of transfer though !?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: godzvilla on June 11, 2016, 10:10:46 AM: Osman , Pienaar & Hibbert released by Everton...would certainly consider taking Osman, just the type of experienced and gutsy mid-fielder we could use next season. Hibbert is coming off a major injury and all 3 are 34 now and close to their ´sell-by-dates ´.............Godzvilla!.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 11, 2016, 10:16:04 AM: Osman I can see the value of, the other two not so much.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 11, 2016, 10:44:51 AM: Quote from: Matt C on June 11, 2016, 05:43:09 AM
£12m Sunderland paid for Fletcher. £12m.

MONonomics.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on June 11, 2016, 10:48:41 AM: There was an interesting article on Elphick in the papers from a Brighton player who talked about what a massive influence he had on his career by his.mentality and personality about the club.

Seems he's probably not up to being more than a lower level top flight centre half, but his pedigree in the Championship is good, which if he is a leader, should mean £3 million is a good price.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Risso on June 11, 2016, 10:52:31 AM: If we can get £5n for Sanchez I'd snap their hands off. Woeful excuse for a player.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on June 11, 2016, 10:56:42 AM: He's 31 now as well.

Whether you rate him or not, we've got to start being smarter about transfers. A few big names apart, we rarely get any sort of value. Even if you think he's up to it in the Championship and my feeling is his decision making would be less punished, but his desire for time would still be an issue, you've got to weigh up that it's better to move him on.

Over 30, big contract, questionable ability, yes we lose size and physicality, but can we not up the quality with a replacement whose big, good in the air but has better distribution etc?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on June 11, 2016, 10:57:03 AM: I like Sanchez but the english game doesn't suit him at all. He'd be great over in Italy or Spain.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on June 11, 2016, 11:49:04 AM: Quote from: godzvilla on June 11, 2016, 10:10:46 AM
Osman , Pienaar & Hibbert released by Everton...would certainly consider taking Osman, just the type of experienced and gutsy mid-fielder we could use next season. Hibbert is coming off a major injury and all 3 are 34 now and close to their ´sell-by-dates ´.............Godzvilla!.

All three have been good solid pro's. I can see the barcodes or Norwich being interested.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on June 11, 2016, 12:48:27 PM: Elphick seems like a brilliant bit of business to me. Reads like an exceptional character, good leader and immediately solves our issue of needing a centre half and leader that knows that league. One of those where his influence off the pitch might well be as vital as his performances on.

Good start. If we can shift Richards and Lescott, keep Amavi and Clark, we might have a decent back 4 to come up. Keeper next please!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Risso on June 11, 2016, 01:06:20 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on June 11, 2016, 12:48:27 PM
Elphick seems like a brilliant bit of business to me. Reads like an exceptional character, good leader and immediately solves our issue of needing a centre half and leader that knows that league. One of those where his influence off the pitch might well be as vital as his performances on.

Good start. If we can shift Richards and Lescott, keep Amavi and Clark, we might have a decent back 4 to come up. Keeper next please!

Agree totally Ozz.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: preston28 on June 11, 2016, 01:08:32 PM: Steven Fletcher released by Sunderland. Worth a punt? He may be good for us in the championship?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on June 11, 2016, 01:30:18 PM: we should be aiming higher
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on June 11, 2016, 01:50:38 PM: Quote from: mr underhill on June 11, 2016, 01:30:18 PM
we should be aiming higher
Crouchy then.He's 6ft 7"!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on June 11, 2016, 01:55:45 PM: higher!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on June 11, 2016, 02:19:24 PM: There should be quite a bit of wiggle room in the wage budget too now N'Zogbia has gone. If Richards and Lescott follow suit then you're probably talking about 160k per week there.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on June 11, 2016, 03:08:08 PM: Quote from: Ads on June 11, 2016, 02:19:24 PM
There should be quite a bit of wiggle room in the wage budget too now N'Zogbia has gone. If Richards and Lescott follow suit then you're probably talking about 160k per week there.

Lescott, Agbonlahor and Richards, Zog, Richardson probably somewhere near to 260k a week. Randy will be rubbing his hands, oh, no, he won't Will he!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt C on June 11, 2016, 03:34:57 PM: Pat Murphy suggesting we'll be 'active' in the market this week and nobody will be sold until he's seen them all at pre-season training in Austria.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 11, 2016, 03:46:12 PM: In all likelihood wewon't sell all the pricks so if we don't and the likes of Gabby or Richards are still at the club we need to get behind them. There will no point at all holding grudges and we will have to trust the managers judgement. It will be counter productive to the team to boo them for last year if they actually come back in shape and determined to make amends. A big IF I grant you.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KevinGage on June 11, 2016, 03:54:47 PM: I think it's perfectly fine to hold a grudge against a player that has barely turned up for the past five seasons and took the piss to the extent he did last year.

So even if he is difficult to move on, keeping Gabby around is more likely to be counterproductive. After a bright start, Richards has never really looked like he fancied it, but he should still have takers in the topflight given his age. So I don't reckon we'll be lumbered with him for long.

Lescott did at times look like the experienced head we need at the back last year, but he's too easy to outpace now. With a more organised defence and shape in general under RDM, that might not be so apparent. So there might be a way back for him. But if he's dead set on going, I reckon we'll get over it.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: garyshawsknee on June 11, 2016, 03:58:33 PM: I think he'll get a goalie in early doors with a new centre back. God knows who though.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 11, 2016, 04:02:37 PM: Kev, I agree in principle with everything you said. I hope all of those players are sold so this a moot discussion. However if the manager decides after everything he sees, and with the possibility some simply won't attract a buyer we may as well get behind them. I don't mean forget, but if they are here what we don't need is a bomb squad situation and we cannot afford negative distractions. Those dark clouds need to be lifted if we are to have any chance of going up.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: CJ on June 11, 2016, 04:23:28 PM: Quote from: Newby on June 11, 2016, 03:08:08 PM
Quote from: Ads on June 11, 2016, 02:19:24 PM
There should be quite a bit of wiggle room in the wage budget too now N'Zogbia has gone. If Richards and Lescott follow suit then you're probably talking about 160k per week there.

Lescott, Agbonlahor and Richards, Zog, Richardson probably somewhere near to 260k a week. Randy will be rubbing his hands, oh, no, he won't Will he!

Not far off if you include Guzan as well, if these figures in The Star (http://www.dailystar.co.uk/galleries/4546/Every-Aston-Villa-player-s-weekly-wages-revealed-sportgalleries/1-Charles-N-Zogbia-55-000-a-week-2-apps-0-goals-500308) are to be believed. I'd be happy to see none of those 6 in a Villa shirt again, but as a minimum we need to add Richards and Agbonlahor to N'zogbia and Richardson at the door marked 'Exit'. As others have said, Richards may find another ~~mug~~ club, but we won't shift Agbonlahor, so I'd wait until any relegation clause kicks in then pay off his contract. He's treated the club and us fans with utter contempt and disdain and he needs to be got rid of at any cost as far as I'm concerned
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ian. on June 11, 2016, 06:57:02 PM: Quote from: Risso on June 11, 2016, 01:06:20 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on June 11, 2016, 12:48:27 PM
Elphick seems like a brilliant bit of business to me. Reads like an exceptional character, good leader and immediately solves our issue of needing a centre half and leader that knows that league. One of those where his influence off the pitch might well be as vital as his performances on.

Good start. If we can shift Richards and Lescott, keep Amavi and Clark, we might have a decent back 4 to come up. Keeper next please!

Agree totally Ozz.

Yes that's great if true. That can only be a good influence on Clark too.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on June 11, 2016, 08:59:35 PM: Meaning evil 'understands' that Elphick not coming as Howe doesn't want to sell. We'll see.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on June 11, 2016, 09:39:47 PM: Quote from: mr underhill on June 11, 2016, 01:55:45 PM
higher!

Zigic?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: OCD on June 11, 2016, 11:21:22 PM: Quote from: Newby on June 11, 2016, 08:59:35 PM
Meaning evil 'understands' that Elphick not coming as Howe doesn't want to sell. We'll see.

Sounds like they're trying to get some mileage out of the story where if Daz is right, there is none.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on June 12, 2016, 12:53:35 AM: Quote from: Stirchley Villain on June 10, 2016, 10:34:54 PM
Quote from: peter w on June 10, 2016, 10:21:13 PM
Why would he accept a one-year deal?

Would you offer him three?

2
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Cliftonville Villain on June 12, 2016, 01:28:35 AM: Agbonlahor, Richards and Lescott...the poster boys for the shit we are now in. Any new intake can expect to 'look up' to such seasoned veterans. I know RDM wants to have a look at what he has before deciding who he keeps, but those three are beyond the pale. Get rid quickly...whatever the cost. As for suggestions, I'm not well up on whatever is playing in the league we're now in...but we are gonna need some snarling f**kers to get out of it...and if players like Tommy Elphick (who I hadn't heard of before Tuesday) are what we are looking at these days...so be it - whatever it takes.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: JD on June 12, 2016, 05:30:57 AM: Quote from: Risso on June 11, 2016, 10:52:31 AM
If we can get £5n for Sanchez I'd snap their hands off. Woeful excuse for a player.

I used to like Sanchez but I think he needs to move on. Today he captained Colombia against Costa Rica and spent most of the first half either playing passes that put his colleagues under pressure, or stood in the centre of the park without trying to get the ball, pointing at his own players (maybe he has been watching Westwood play).
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 12, 2016, 08:52:04 AM: Quote from: OCD on June 11, 2016, 11:21:22 PM
Quote from: Newby on June 11, 2016, 08:59:35 PM
Meaning evil 'understands' that Elphick not coming as Howe doesn't want to sell. We'll see.

Sounds like they're trying to get some mileage out of the story where if Daz is right, there is none.

Who's Daz, what might he be right about, and what is there none of?

Confused, Greater Birmjngham.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 12, 2016, 09:06:51 AM: Black's treatment of gabby seemed to be quite extreme and on the edge of constructive dismissal, so my guess is that he had authority from the upper levels of the club. If those upper levels are still there, then I'd be surprised if he's allowed back into the squad.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 12, 2016, 09:28:37 AM: Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 11, 2016, 04:02:37 PM
Kev, I agree in principle with everything you said. I hope all of those players are sold so this a moot discussion. However if the manager decides after everything he sees, and with the possibility some simply won't attract a buyer we may as well get behind them. I don't mean forget, but if they are here what we don't need is a bomb squad situation and we cannot afford negative distractions. Those dark clouds need to be lifted if we are to have any chance of going up.

I know what you are saying makes sense but I just can't get behind piss taking arseholes like Gabby

If we can't sell the fat bastard id rather we just paid off his contract
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ian. on June 12, 2016, 09:29:07 AM: Quote from: preston28 on June 11, 2016, 01:08:32 PM
Steven Fletcher released by Sunderland. Worth a punt? He may be good for us in the championship?
He'd be good short term, on a free he'd be a very good addition to the squad.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on June 12, 2016, 09:33:44 AM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 12, 2016, 09:28:37 AM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 11, 2016, 04:02:37 PM
Kev, I agree in principle with everything you said. I hope all of those players are sold so this a moot discussion. However if the manager decides after everything he sees, and with the possibility some simply won't attract a buyer we may as well get behind them. I don't mean forget, but if they are here what we don't need is a bomb squad situation and we cannot afford negative distractions. Those dark clouds need to be lifted if we are to have any chance of going up.

I know what you are saying makes sense but I just can't get behind piss taking arseholes like Gabby

If we can't sell the fat bastard id rather we just paid off his contract

this totally

the few million to pay him off would be worth it to get rid of the toxicity. i never want to see the pisstaker at vp again
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on June 12, 2016, 09:39:09 AM: I'm a big Gabby fan and think that with him properly coached and managed he could be a big player for us next season. However, I agree that his disgraceful behaviour last season may be something he can't and maybe shouldn't be allowed to come back from.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ian. on June 12, 2016, 09:39:34 AM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on June 12, 2016, 09:28:37 AM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 11, 2016, 04:02:37 PM
Kev, I agree in principle with everything you said. I hope all of those players are sold so this a moot discussion. However if the manager decides after everything he sees, and with the possibility some simply won't attract a buyer we may as well get behind them. I don't mean forget, but if they are here what we don't need is a bomb squad situation and we cannot afford negative distractions. Those dark clouds need to be lifted if we are to have any chance of going up.

I know what you are saying makes sense but I just can't get behind piss taking arseholes like Gabby

If we can't sell the fat bastard id rather we just paid off his contract
Yes I'd agree.

For so long I've felt like I have stuck up for Gabby on the hope he recaptured the form from years back. It's not just his form which is the issue now, it's his contempt for the club, supporters and his managers he's had that stinks. If we've got money it's time to rip up the contract now. It would be money well spent.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on June 12, 2016, 09:59:24 AM: Quote from: peter w on June 12, 2016, 09:39:09 AM
I'm a big Gabby fan and think that with him properly coached and managed he could be a big player for us next season. However, I agree that his disgraceful behaviour last season may be something he can't and maybe shouldn't be allowed to come back from.

Agbonlahor's disgraceful behaviour has carried on for way more than last season, it was just that last season any last vestiges of pretending to give a f##k fell away.

If in your previously stated opinion Okore should be kicked out of the club for disagreeing with Black, surely Agbonlahor's class 1 c***tery is way beyond, "maybe shouldn't be allowed to come back from."
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on June 12, 2016, 10:25:19 AM: the guy's a parasite on the club he professes to love and needs removing. He's freeloaded for years - there are others of course, but their particular type of piss taking doesn't have the longevity GabFlab's does.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: OCD on June 12, 2016, 10:36:25 AM: Quote from: Percy McCarthy on June 12, 2016, 08:52:04 AM
Quote from: OCD on June 11, 2016, 11:21:22 PM
Quote from: Newby on June 11, 2016, 08:59:35 PM
Meaning evil 'understands' that Elphick not coming as Howe doesn't want to sell. We'll see.

Sounds like they're trying to get some mileage out of the story where if Daz is right, there is none.

Who's Daz, what might he be right about, and what is there none of?

Confused, Greater Birmjngham.

Quote from: Dazvillain on June 09, 2016, 09:39:59 AM
My cousins are st holders at Bournemouth and just sent texts saying they have good authority that Tommy Elphick coming to us as club captain !? They showed me screen shot from text convos from the players family at a wedding as one of them is close friend..... Surprise for me.... Any rumours of this from the villa side ?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on June 12, 2016, 10:45:55 AM: Quote from: peter w on June 12, 2016, 09:39:09 AM
I'm a big Gabby fan and think that with him properly coached and managed he could be a big player for us next season. However, I agree that his disgraceful behaviour last season may be something he can't and maybe shouldn't be allowed to come back from.

He doesn't even need to be properly coached and managed to make a positive impact, especially in the Championship - he's shown time and time again, dating back the MON days where he was genuinely in contention for England caps, that so long as he works hard, he can make a positive impact, because of the combination of pace and strength that he has. But we know the story by now, ever since about 2011 - he'll give it a go for a couple of games at a time, then decide that it's not worth the bother.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on June 12, 2016, 10:47:25 AM: Quote from: peter w on June 12, 2016, 09:39:09 AM
I'm a big Gabby fan and think that with him properly coached and managed he could be a big player for us next season. However, I agree that his disgraceful behaviour last season may be something he can't and maybe shouldn't be allowed to come back from.

he is already a big player

you cant teach an old dog new tricks

shisha
laughing gas
dubai
crying off for the bournemouth game
spuds away

the bloke is a c***
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: pbavfckuwait on June 12, 2016, 10:56:16 AM: Gabby has been winging it for years now, the only thing Gabby wants is the lifestyle off the pitch of a footballer, he is passed putting in the hard miles to earn that living. Waste of oxygen get rid.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dazvillain on June 12, 2016, 11:57:01 AM: Quote from: OCD on June 12, 2016, 10:36:25 AM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on June 12, 2016, 08:52:04 AM
Quote from: OCD on June 11, 2016, 11:21:22 PM
Quote from: Newby on June 11, 2016, 08:59:35 PM
Meaning evil 'understands' that Elphick not coming as Howe doesn't want to sell. We'll see.

Sounds like they're trying to get some mileage out of the story where if Daz is right, there is none.

Who's Daz, what might he be right about, and what is there none of?

Confused, Greater Birmjngham.

Quote from: Dazvillain on June 09, 2016, 09:39:59 AM
My cousins are st holders at Bournemouth and just sent texts saying they have good authority that Tommy Elphick coming to us as club captain !? They showed me screen shot from text convos from the players family at a wedding as one of them is close friend..... Surprise for me.... Any rumours of this from the villa side ?

Updates from south coast today are that having let Distin go and no one else in yet, they wouldn't also let Elphick go. This could change should they bring some CB cover in I guess
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: pbavfckuwait on June 12, 2016, 12:32:04 PM: Hey Daz ask them if they want Richards or Lescott, in fact I am sure with his brilliance Baccuna could play center half.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: OCD on June 12, 2016, 12:56:08 PM: Quote from: Dazvillain on June 12, 2016, 11:57:01 AM
Quote from: OCD on June 12, 2016, 10:36:25 AM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on June 12, 2016, 08:52:04 AM
Quote from: OCD on June 11, 2016, 11:21:22 PM
Quote from: Newby on June 11, 2016, 08:59:35 PM
Meaning evil 'understands' that Elphick not coming as Howe doesn't want to sell. We'll see.

Sounds like they're trying to get some mileage out of the story where if Daz is right, there is none.

Who's Daz, what might he be right about, and what is there none of?

Confused, Greater Birmjngham.

Quote from: Dazvillain on June 09, 2016, 09:39:59 AM
My cousins are st holders at Bournemouth and just sent texts saying they have good authority that Tommy Elphick coming to us as club captain !? They showed me screen shot from text convos from the players family at a wedding as one of them is close friend..... Surprise for me.... Any rumours of this from the villa side ?

Updates from south coast today are that having let Distin go and no one else in yet, they wouldn't also let Elphick go. This could change should they bring some CB cover in I guess

There's plenty of time to get someone else in. They wouldn't have just decided on a whim to release Distin so it may have delayed things but I imagine will still happen.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KevinGage on June 12, 2016, 01:05:50 PM: Bringing Gabby back sends out a message that cutting corners, having a casual attitude and generally showing a lack of professionalism is still OK for a club like Aston Villa. Fuck about, make a total arse of yourself and you can still get a game -even if you provide next to nothing on Saturday too.

How do we then say to younger players they need to look after themselves and take the job seriously to have any chance to succeed when they see that physical embodiment of excess and fuckwittedry laughing and rolling around the training ground.

I wouldn't pay off his contract either, mind. As that just rewards failure even more. But if we can get him out on loan somewhere (probably subsidising a big portion of his wage) that might be the least worst option.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on June 12, 2016, 01:26:19 PM: His contract is the problem. Unless we can get someone to agree to take him on, and it's likely to be overseas, then the likelihood is that he'll be with us until his contract ends. He potentially has 2 years left (if that's how long he has on his contract) as a professional footballer. If that doesn't concentrate the mind then he's as good as done anywhere.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 12, 2016, 01:52:30 PM: Quote from: OCD on June 12, 2016, 10:36:25 AM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on June 12, 2016, 08:52:04 AM
Quote from: OCD on June 11, 2016, 11:21:22 PM
Quote from: Newby on June 11, 2016, 08:59:35 PM
Meaning evil 'understands' that Elphick not coming as Howe doesn't want to sell. We'll see.

Sounds like they're trying to get some mileage out of the story where if Daz is right, there is none.

Who's Daz, what might he be right about, and what is there none of?

Confused, Greater Birmjngham.

Quote from: Dazvillain on June 09, 2016, 09:39:59 AM
My cousins are st holders at Bournemouth and just sent texts saying they have good authority that Tommy Elphick coming to us as club captain !? They showed me screen shot from text convos from the players family at a wedding as one of them is close friend..... Surprise for me.... Any rumours of this from the villa side ?

Got it, thanks.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on June 12, 2016, 01:59:01 PM: the thing is who the fuck is going to have him on loan even if we were paying 80% of his wages? and if we are doing that we may as well pay him off, hopefully his wedge will go down with relegation
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KevinGage on June 12, 2016, 02:04:26 PM: Someone will take a punt at around £20,000 per week, I reckon. Doesn't get you much nowadays.

With no loan fee and on the proviso they can ship him back at the first sign of bad behaviour.

There will be a couple of stodgy, delsusional old school managers out there who will recall the Gabby of old and will believe they can get the best out of him. Or even just to have him as an option from the bench.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 12, 2016, 02:07:59 PM: I'd love for Xia to come in next week and send a message by cancelling Gabby's contract. I think it would send a great message to the fans that last years nonsense won't be tolerated. I just don't see it happening.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: old man villa fan on June 12, 2016, 02:09:59 PM: If we could finance paying GA's contract off by what we could get for Richards, I would be happy with that.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 12, 2016, 02:19:49 PM: Looking at the list of players released by Premier League clubs, I noticed a French international winger who had once been transferred for £9.5 million. Available for free! Surely worth a punt?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: nigel on June 12, 2016, 02:22:17 PM: I can see Gabby going overseas, maybe to Turkey, to play out his days
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: nigel on June 12, 2016, 02:23:07 PM: Quote from: cdbullyweefan on June 12, 2016, 02:19:49 PM
Looking at the list of players released by Premier League clubs, I noticed a French international winger who had once been transferred for £9.5 million. Available for free! Surely worth a punt?

Who's that?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 12, 2016, 02:24:02 PM: I forget his name, he has lovely dress sense though.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on June 12, 2016, 02:26:42 PM: was it Charles something?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KevinGage on June 12, 2016, 02:30:19 PM: The issue with that is that I think it's what Gabby wants too.

And after last season, I don't think he should be in any position to dictate what he wants.

I actually reckon playing football has become a hindrance to him. It is something to merely be tolerated, and gets in the way of the cars, parties and good stuff.

I think it goes back as far as the 2011/12 season under McLeish. We drew with Wigan away in February and he said something after the game like "We just want the season to be over." Now as fans, we were probably saying similar. But as a player, he should have been busting a gut to play himself back into a bit of form and make what was (at that point) an under par season for the club a half decent one. This is a player who had got himself back in the England reckoning in the autumn, and had been linked with an £18 million move to Tottingham (as ludicrous as that seems now).

As a forward, he should have been seeing the three months left as a chance to boost his goal tally, put himself on the plane for the Euros or-at the very least- be playing well enough to give himself options to leave. Yet he was just wishing time away, wanting to do just enough to get by.

His performances over the last few years aren't in keeping with someone still in love with the game (if he ever was).

He doesn't want to play anymore = he should be made to play somewhere. Just not with us.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: IAmTheOneIanOlney on June 12, 2016, 02:32:46 PM: Quote from: mr underhill on June 12, 2016, 02:26:42 PM
was it Charles something?
Charles N'Eddie?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on June 12, 2016, 02:57:02 PM: The only way I'd accept Gabby again is if he trimmed down to he his pre-2010 weight. He's still got pace and could offer something, but he's got to work at it and slimming down would be a sign he's listening to the coaching staff and taking his job seriously again.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 12, 2016, 03:00:30 PM: Quote from: Ads on June 12, 2016, 02:57:02 PM
The only way I'd accept Gabby again is if he trimmed down to he his pre-2010 weight. He's still got pace and could offer something, but he's got to work at it and slimming down would be a sign he's listening to the coaching staff and taking his job seriously again.

That's where I am because I don't think he'll be released. If he comes back several stone lighter he'll have taken what he did last season seriously and meant the subsequent apology.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on June 12, 2016, 03:03:44 PM: Quote from: KevinGage on June 12, 2016, 02:30:19 PM
The issue with that is that I think it's what Gabby wants too.

And after last season, I don't think he should be in any position to dictate what he wants.

I actually reckon playing football has become a hindrance to him. It is something to merely be tolerated, and gets in the way of the cars, parties and good stuff.

I think it goes back as far as the 2011/12 season under McLeish. We drew with Wigan away in February and he said something after the game like "We just want the season to be over." Now as fans, we were probably saying similar. But as a player, he should have been busting a gut to play himself back into a bit of form and make what was (at that point) an under par season for the club a half decent one. This is a player who had got himself back in the England reckoning in the autumn, and had been linked with an £18 million move to Tottingham (as ludicrous as that seems now).

As a forward, he should have been seeing the three months left as a chance to boost his goal tally, put himself on the plane for the Euros or-at the very least- be playing well enough to give himself options to leave. Yet he was just wishing time away, wanting to do just enough to get by.

His performances over the last few years aren't in keeping with someone still in love with the game (if he ever was).

He doesn't want to play anymore = he should be made to play somewhere. Just not with us.

You can say basically the same thing with the 2013/14 season, where he was coming off a terrific second half of the previous season (scoring crucial goals in the six-pointers vs QPR and Reading, and that double away at Norwich), and then followed it up by tearing Arsenal apart in the season opener. You'd think he would've kicked on from there and earned himself a spot in the WC squad, but he seemed to see that performance as meaning he'd earned his pay for the year.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: OCD on June 12, 2016, 03:10:01 PM: Like it or not, everyone's going to have a fresh start under Di Matteo, as they would under any new manager. If the likes of Gabby come back motivated, in shape and hungry to tear up the Championship, then why would we choose now to sell them?! On the other hand, if they're still bone idle and still have no motivation they'll likely be moved on or hopefully released if there's no buyer - rather than having their attitude affect others.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on June 12, 2016, 03:50:13 PM: Quote from: pbavfckuwait on June 12, 2016, 12:32:04 PM
Hey Daz ask them if they want Richards or Lescott, in fact I am sure with his brilliance Baccuna could play center half.

When Villa switched to three/five at the back for the last couple of games, Bacuna was playing centre half for the last couple of games
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: old man villa fan on June 12, 2016, 04:10:32 PM: Quote from: OCD on June 12, 2016, 03:10:01 PM
Like it or not, everyone's going to have a fresh start under Di Matteo, as they would under any new manager. If the likes of Gabby come back motivated, in shape and hungry to tear up the Championship, then why would we choose now to sell them?! On the other hand, if they're still bone idle and still have no motivation they'll likely be moved on or hopefully released if there's no buyer - rather than having their attitude affect others.

The problem is that they can look motivated in preseason and then the first month of the season but then go back to old ways. By which time the transfer window has closed and our season will be screwed.

As somebody else commented, it is no example to set with the young players. This club has had a weak attitude to discipline for a long time and unless we get it back, we will just be another club for a player to pick up a pay cheque from without giving anything.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 12, 2016, 04:12:30 PM: Quote from: UK Redsox on June 12, 2016, 03:50:13 PM
Quote from: pbavfckuwait on June 12, 2016, 12:32:04 PM
Hey Daz ask them if they want Richards or Lescott, in fact I am sure with his brilliance Baccuna could play center half.

When Villa switched to three/five at the back for the last couple of games, Bacuna was playing centre half for the last couple of games

Weren't you thankful that we had Black and his 35+ years of experience? I don't know how we'd have coped without him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on June 12, 2016, 04:34:37 PM: Quote from: OCD on June 12, 2016, 03:10:01 PM
Like it or not, everyone's going to have a fresh start under Di Matteo, as they would under any new manager. If the likes of Gabby come back motivated, in shape and hungry to tear up the Championship, then why would we choose now to sell them?! On the other hand, if they're still bone idle and still have no motivation they'll likely be moved on or hopefully released if there's no buyer - rather than having their attitude affect others.
One thing I'm hoping for is that with a decent management team and new ownership, the mood of the club will be a lot better and the organisation in place will be. I know Gabby et al have behaved abhorrantly, but that stench of apathy at Villa, from the top down since probably mid-way through McLeish's season (probably earlier to be fair) hasn't helped matters at all. The owner didn't give two tosses, so the players can't be expected to I suppose.

IF Gabby does get back into shape and does still have the motivation to work hard again, then he's gonna destroy the championship.
But we all know deep down he's done for here. He'll let us down again.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dazvillain on June 12, 2016, 06:22:28 PM: Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 12, 2016, 04:12:30 PM
Quote from: UK Redsox on June 12, 2016, 03:50:13 PM
Quote from: pbavfckuwait on June 12, 2016, 12:32:04 PM
Hey Daz ask them if they want Richards or Lescott, in fact I am sure with his brilliance Baccuna could play center half.

When Villa switched to three/five at the back for the last couple of games, Bacuna was playing centre half for the last couple of games

Weren't you thankful that we had Black and his 35+ years of experience? I don't know how we'd have coped without him.

Ha ha I think Eddie Howe is a bit more savvy than our lot from last year, no chance
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Stirchley Villain on June 12, 2016, 06:22:36 PM: Quote from: IAmTheOneIanOlney on June 12, 2016, 02:32:46 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on June 12, 2016, 02:26:42 PM
was it Charles something?
Charles N'Eddie?

Charles N'Aznovour
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on June 12, 2016, 10:34:31 PM: Quote from: nigel on June 12, 2016, 02:22:17 PM
I can see Gabby going overseas, maybe to Turkey, to play out his days

On a farm?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: CT Villan on June 13, 2016, 12:49:58 AM: Quote from: Stirchley Villain on June 12, 2016, 06:22:36 PM
Charles N'Aznovour

Charles N'Sac de Merde
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ian. on June 13, 2016, 07:05:48 AM: I've read that lots of top clubs would like Veretout. Even though I like him and feel he could be useful if we can cash in on him at a profit, let him go. I'd rather try and develope Jack than wait around to see if Veretout can flourish.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on June 13, 2016, 08:25:00 AM: Veretout had a bit of a purple patch under Garde but then completely fell off the radar for some reason, probably because of Eric Black! I get confused with Veretout because I don't really know what kind of player he is. I'd like to see him stay and work under the current Management team and see how he develops.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on June 13, 2016, 08:30:27 AM: Heard a vague rumour that we may be after Bournemouth CB Elphick
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on June 13, 2016, 08:32:15 AM: I sympathise with all the flak Grealish has taken, and he is potentially a very good player indeed but we must not place the burden of having a team shaped around him until he has matured. Especially a make or break season like next season is bound to be.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on June 13, 2016, 08:46:28 AM: Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on June 13, 2016, 08:30:27 AM
Heard a vague rumour that we may be after Bournemouth CB Elphick

Where have you been? 😁
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on June 13, 2016, 09:02:56 AM: Quote from: Ian J on June 13, 2016, 07:05:48 AM
I've read that lots of top clubs would like Veretout. Even though I like him and feel he could be useful if we can cash in on him at a profit, let him go. I'd rather try and develope Jack than wait around to see if Veretout can flourish.

Why would Veretout staying interfere with Grealish's potential development or lack of over the next 12 months? 2 Completely different players that could actually complement eachother if we are lucky.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Mister E on June 13, 2016, 09:58:18 AM: Quote from: Villa in Denmark on June 13, 2016, 09:02:56 AM
Quote from: Ian J on June 13, 2016, 07:05:48 AM
I've read that lots of top clubs would like Veretout. Even though I like him and feel he could be useful if we can cash in on him at a profit, let him go. I'd rather try and develope Jack than wait around to see if Veretout can flourish.

Why would Veretout staying interfere with Grealish's potential development or lack of over the next 12 months? 2 Completely different players that could actually complement eachother if we are lucky.
totally agree. I'd like to hang onto Veretout if possible but I suspect that they're be some interest in him and we'll sell; a shame.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on June 13, 2016, 10:00:09 AM: Quote from: Villa in Denmark on June 13, 2016, 09:02:56 AM
Quote from: Ian J on June 13, 2016, 07:05:48 AM
I've read that lots of top clubs would like Veretout. Even though I like him and feel he could be useful if we can cash in on him at a profit, let him go. I'd rather try and develope Jack than wait around to see if Veretout can flourish.

Why would Veretout staying interfere with Grealish's potential development or lack of over the next 12 months? 2 Completely different players that could actually complement eachother if we are lucky.

Veretout reminds me a bit of Petrov when he first came. Petrov came as an attacking midfielder but didn't really have the dynamism to play in that role in England. Instead he was more suited to a deeper role. I think that could be the case with Veretout as well.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on June 13, 2016, 10:02:03 AM: It will take someone like Ayew to stay to persuade others like veretout who may have options elsewhere to stay. Otherwise, it will probably be a clearout of the overseas players that were signed last summer, not necessarily because we want them to go either.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 13, 2016, 10:11:18 AM: Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on June 13, 2016, 08:46:28 AM
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on June 13, 2016, 08:30:27 AM
Heard a vague rumour that we may be after Bournemouth CB Elphick

Where have you been? 😁

He's got his finger on the pulse, our kid.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on June 13, 2016, 10:47:23 AM: yes I think he has been in a trance since the 1970s and was referring to Roger Brown, who I saw play many times for AP Leamington
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: paul_e on June 13, 2016, 11:57:42 AM: Quote from: tomd2103 on June 13, 2016, 10:00:09 AM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on June 13, 2016, 09:02:56 AM
Quote from: Ian J on June 13, 2016, 07:05:48 AM
I've read that lots of top clubs would like Veretout. Even though I like him and feel he could be useful if we can cash in on him at a profit, let him go. I'd rather try and develope Jack than wait around to see if Veretout can flourish.

Why would Veretout staying interfere with Grealish's potential development or lack of over the next 12 months? 2 Completely different players that could actually complement eachother if we are lucky.

Veretout reminds me a bit of Petrov when he first came. Petrov came as an attacking midfielder but didn't really have the dynamism to play in that role in England. Instead he was more suited to a deeper role. I think that could be the case with Veretout as well.

That's the exact same comparison I see as well, even down to the fact that he struggled to play the full 90. Veretout sitting deeper alongside someone like Sanchez with 2 wingers a 10 and a striker all moving in front of him and 2 full backs both getting forward could very effective, he's tidy enough on the ball and can clearly pick a pass so the extra yard of space he'll get should see him settle and show how good he can be.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 13, 2016, 12:11:34 PM: Quote from: mr underhill on June 13, 2016, 10:47:23 AM
yes I think he has been in a trance since the 1970s and was referring to Roger Brown, who I saw play many times for AP Leamington
come on you brakes
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on June 13, 2016, 12:21:09 PM: many good times at The Windmill!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ian. on June 13, 2016, 01:32:29 PM: Quote from: Mister E on June 13, 2016, 09:58:18 AM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on June 13, 2016, 09:02:56 AM
Quote from: Ian J on June 13, 2016, 07:05:48 AM
I've read that lots of top clubs would like Veretout. Even though I like him and feel he could be useful if we can cash in on him at a profit, let him go. I'd rather try and develope Jack than wait around to see if Veretout can flourish.

Why would Veretout staying interfere with Grealish's potential development or lack of over the next 12 months? 2 Completely different players that could actually complement eachother if we are lucky.
totally agree. I'd like to hang onto Veretout if possible but I suspect that they're be some interest in him and we'll sell; a shame.
I suppose what I mean is if his hearts not in it and he wants away then let him go and get some profit back on his transfer fee. As I say I think he's useful and a tidy player but I wouldn't be too worried if he left. I know he's different to Jack but I get the feeling he wants to play for us. Well I hope so anyway. Both players did not do themselves too much justice last season but both are young and have talent.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: boozey182 on June 13, 2016, 01:34:41 PM: Did anyone see the video on the official twitter feed? A shirt being printed with '9' and 'Petkovic' on the back. Said that two big names are coming to Villa Park today, but one might be the Doc.

Not sure who Petkovic is...
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: boozey182 on June 13, 2016, 01:39:12 PM: Quote from: boozey182 on June 13, 2016, 01:34:41 PM
Did anyone see the video on the official twitter feed? A shirt being printed with '9' and 'Petkovic' on the back. Said that two big names are coming to Villa Park today, but one might be the Doc.

Not sure who Petkovic is...

Ah. I think it's the tennis player...
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 13, 2016, 01:53:46 PM: Quote from: boozey182 on June 13, 2016, 01:34:41 PM
Did anyone see the video on the official twitter feed? A shirt being printed with '9' and 'Petkovic' on the back. Said that two big names are coming to Villa Park today, but one might be the Doc.

Not sure who Petkovic is...

I heard a whisper of a press conference today at VP with 12 empty seats, 1 for Dr X but not sure who the other 11 are for???!!!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: avfcdale on June 13, 2016, 02:03:14 PM: Quote from: boozey182 on June 13, 2016, 01:39:12 PM
Quote from: boozey182 on June 13, 2016, 01:34:41 PM
Did anyone see the video on the official twitter feed? A shirt being printed with '9' and 'Petkovic' on the back. Said that two big names are coming to Villa Park today, but one might be the Doc.

Not sure who Petkovic is...

Ah. I think it's the tennis player...

Bruno plays upfront for Sicilian serie b team
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on June 13, 2016, 02:19:55 PM: Quote from: cdbullyweefan on June 13, 2016, 10:11:18 AM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on June 13, 2016, 08:46:28 AM
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on June 13, 2016, 08:30:27 AM
Heard a vague rumour that we may be after Bournemouth CB Elphick

Where have you been? 😁

He's got his finger on the pulse, our kid.

So I haven't got a scoop then?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 13, 2016, 02:56:09 PM: I'm hearing worrying rumours that The Titanic might have run into a spot of bother.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on June 13, 2016, 03:14:05 PM: it's just the tip of an iceberg
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Hookeysmith on June 13, 2016, 03:14:55 PM: The obligatory clips montage

then I just looked at the twatter thing and it is a tennis bird - D'OH
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Des Little on June 13, 2016, 03:29:00 PM: Quote from: Clark W Griswold on June 13, 2016, 01:53:46 PM
Quote from: boozey182 on June 13, 2016, 01:34:41 PM
Did anyone see the video on the official twitter feed? A shirt being printed with '9' and 'Petkovic' on the back. Said that two big names are coming to Villa Park today, but one might be the Doc.

Not sure who Petkovic is...

I heard a whisper of a press conference today at VP with 12 empty seats, 1 for Dr X but not sure who the other 11 are for???!!!

Hopefully, last year's first team. Ready, aim....FIRE
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on June 13, 2016, 03:53:10 PM: Quote from: mr underhill on June 13, 2016, 10:47:23 AM
yes I think he has been in a trance since the 1970s and was referring to Roger Brown, who I saw play many times for AP Leamington
Played football with Roger Brown at school in the late 60s...he was a year ahead of me and a bit of a hero of mine.
Shocked to find out he died about 5 years ago.

I've been away on holiday for the last 10 days - no wireless, tv or interweb...has anything happened?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on June 13, 2016, 05:35:09 PM: Watched him many times in a previous life as a sports reporter with Heart of England Newspapers and CET. Excellent player and a top bloke. Fully deserved to step up to full time professional football. died way too early.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oldtimernow on June 13, 2016, 06:03:08 PM: Quote from: Des Little on June 13, 2016, 03:29:00 PM
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on June 13, 2016, 01:53:46 PM
Quote from: boozey182 on June 13, 2016, 01:34:41 PM
Did anyone see the video on the official twitter feed? A shirt being printed with '9' and 'Petkovic' on the back. Said that two big names are coming to Villa Park today, but one might be the Doc.

Not sure who Petkovic is...

I heard a whisper of a press conference today at VP with 12 empty seats, 1 for Dr X but not sure who the other 11 are for???!!!

Hopefully, last year's first team. Ready, aim....FIRE

If they organised a firing squad in a circle that lot would miss each other
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: nigel on June 13, 2016, 06:14:27 PM: Quote from: boozey182 on June 13, 2016, 01:34:41 PM
Did anyone see the video on the official twitter feed? A shirt being printed with '9' and 'Petkovic' on the back. Said that two big names are coming to Villa Park today, but one might be the Doc.

Not sure who Petkovic is...

Its the Swiss head coach.
Looks like Di Mateo has blown it :o

or Marko from Red Star
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 13, 2016, 11:57:41 PM: Ravel Morrsion possibly signing....

Him in this dressing room, that should be fun.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: OCD on June 14, 2016, 12:11:06 AM: Good player but will need a lot of managing.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on June 14, 2016, 12:22:26 AM: Another feckless wanker of a player, would be a terrible signing in my opinion.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve R on June 14, 2016, 02:21:35 AM: Quote from: aj2k77 on June 14, 2016, 12:22:26 AM
Another feckless wanker of a player, would be a terrible signing in my opinion.

In mine too. Hopefully it's just a rumour.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on June 14, 2016, 06:39:23 AM: It would be a gamble not worth taking. Looking at those who have tried and failed to tame him it strikes me as job that is beyond achieving. Grealish and Green need a shot.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on June 14, 2016, 07:18:12 AM: His Twitter just says in Birmingham.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: olaftab on June 14, 2016, 07:27:06 AM: He is a cock!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: itbrvilla on June 14, 2016, 07:39:22 AM: Do we not learn?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on June 14, 2016, 08:38:21 AM: not if Ravel is joining our other prize fuckwits no.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: CJ on June 14, 2016, 09:38:16 AM: Quote from: Ads on June 14, 2016, 07:18:12 AM
His Twitter just says in Birmingham.

Let's hope he's going back to them down the road - wouldn't want him anywhere near our club.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 14, 2016, 09:48:17 AM: Twitter, ten hours ago 'Birmingham tomorrow'🔋'.

Don't know what the emoji means, apart from the obvious - battery. So hopefully he's here to appear in court for battery.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on June 14, 2016, 09:59:46 AM: anything, as long as it's not jump starting his career at B6
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on June 14, 2016, 10:10:16 AM: Maybe he's re-signing with the Blues, or joining Pulis at West Brom.

Seems a bit short for a Pulis signing mind you.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on June 14, 2016, 11:04:59 AM: He is an incredible talent. Just a pity he is an utter fool wasting it all.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on June 14, 2016, 11:12:02 AM
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: pbavfckuwait on June 14, 2016, 11:56:09 AM: Your point being Chico lol
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on June 14, 2016, 12:05:11 PM: Chico must be showing us what a waste of space looks like.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on June 14, 2016, 12:06:34 PM: No point to my post. Just a clip rotten teeth Ravel showing some amazing skill.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: papa lazarou on June 14, 2016, 01:02:03 PM: Doug invented that.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 14, 2016, 02:04:15 PM: We have nothing like him in the squad today. I don't know if this is legitimate or not but he's wasted every opportunity put in front of him this far so all we can hope for if it is true that he has matured.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Des Little on June 14, 2016, 02:06:04 PM: His ability is there for all to see. Sadly, his application makes Gabby look like James Milner.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KevinGage on June 14, 2016, 05:25:13 PM: Sounds like just what we need:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/ravel-morrison-rejects-loan-move-7308362
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on June 14, 2016, 07:16:02 PM: I think Ravel is a sack of shit to be honest. Abysmal attitude. If he wasn't a footballer he'd be locked up by now. He's a cretin. We've got enough to get rid of let alone bringing in someone worse than any prick we've ever had. Talented yes, but he'll never have the desire to consistently perform.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on June 14, 2016, 07:47:29 PM: Quote from: supertom on June 14, 2016, 07:16:02 PM
I think Ravel is a sack of shit to be honest. Abysmal attitude. If he wasn't a footballer he'd be locked up by now. He's a cretin. We've got enough to get rid of let alone bringing in someone worse than any prick we've ever had. Talented yes, but he'll never have the desire to consistently perform.

just imagine morrison, gabby, bacuna, lescott and richards in the same team

id rather nail my testes to the kitchen table

again
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on June 14, 2016, 07:50:17 PM: There's nothing linking him anyway. He just said he was going to be in Birmingham.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ian. on June 14, 2016, 07:56:42 PM: Hopefully he's not on our radar. We've had enough of his sort round here.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 14, 2016, 07:57:09 PM: I think he bought a new phone battery.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on June 14, 2016, 08:36:17 PM: Well Pat Murphy expects RDM to be active this week!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on June 14, 2016, 09:11:28 PM: Quote from: cdbullyweefan on June 14, 2016, 07:57:09 PM
I think he bought a new phone battery.

I just assumed it was batteries for another device that vibrates, seeing as how he's one of an absolute ******.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on June 14, 2016, 09:21:41 PM: Morrison is shit end of story. It's not like he's some mecurial wizard with a bad streak like Gazza, he's done absolute fuck all for anyone. Would fit in great with the rest of the tossers though.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 14, 2016, 09:33:06 PM: Morrison is a scumbag that should never have the privilege of playing for Aston Villa. I'd be really disappointed if we signed him. We may be shit but we should still have more class than having the likes of him ever playing for us.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 14, 2016, 09:34:45 PM: Me too. Don't care how much talent he has his attitude will always end up with him failing.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: paul_e on June 14, 2016, 11:40:14 PM: Quote from: aj2k77 on June 14, 2016, 09:21:41 PM
Morrison is shit end of story. It's not like he's some mecurial wizard with a bad streak like Gazza, he's done absolute fuck all for anyone. Would fit in great with the rest of the tossers though.

See he's a complete tit and I don't want him anywhere near the club but calling him shit is just plain wrong. If any manager manages to get him concentrating on the game giving up all the other bullshit they'll have a fantastic player on their hands, when he had a run for West Ham a few years ago before he fell out with Allerdyce he was making established internationals look like mugs, if he'd have pushed on from that he'd be starring at this tournament rather than struggling to get on the bench for Lazio.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on June 14, 2016, 11:50:55 PM: He fell out with West Ham because he wouldn't agree to joining Allardyce's agent's stable of players, with Nolan turning the screw.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on June 15, 2016, 12:00:29 AM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 14, 2016, 09:34:45 PM
Me too. Don't care how much talent he has his attitude will always end up with him failing.

Agree. Aren't we trying to get away from having poor and disruptive attitudes about the club?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on June 15, 2016, 02:18:17 AM: Quote from: paul_e on June 14, 2016, 11:40:14 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on June 14, 2016, 09:21:41 PM
Morrison is shit end of story. It's not like he's some mecurial wizard with a bad streak like Gazza, he's done absolute fuck all for anyone. Would fit in great with the rest of the tossers though.

See he's a complete tit and I don't want him anywhere near the club but calling him shit is just plain wrong. If any manager manages to get him concentrating on the game giving up all the other bullshit they'll have a fantastic player on their hands, when he had a run for West Ham a few years ago before he fell out with Allerdyce he was making established internationals look like mugs, if he'd have pushed on from that he'd be starring at this tournament rather than struggling to get on the bench for Lazio.

Getting carried away a bit there Paul I think. He's played less than 20 top flight games. He's shite mate, if we sign him chalk him off as another ill thought out transfer.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on June 15, 2016, 03:11:07 AM: Quote from: aj2k77 on June 15, 2016, 02:18:17 AM
Quote from: paul_e on June 14, 2016, 11:40:14 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on June 14, 2016, 09:21:41 PM
Morrison is shit end of story. It's not like he's some mecurial wizard with a bad streak like Gazza, he's done absolute fuck all for anyone. Would fit in great with the rest of the tossers though.

See he's a complete tit and I don't want him anywhere near the club but calling him shit is just plain wrong. If any manager manages to get him concentrating on the game giving up all the other bullshit they'll have a fantastic player on their hands, when he had a run for West Ham a few years ago before he fell out with Allerdyce he was making established internationals look like mugs, if he'd have pushed on from that he'd be starring at this tournament rather than struggling to get on the bench for Lazio.

Getting carried away a bit there Paul I think. He's played less than 20 top flight games. He's shite mate, if we sign him chalk him off as another ill thought out transfer.

What does the number of top flight games he played have to do with whether or not he's any good? Plenty of players have had difficulties with finding playing time in the PL for an assortment of reasons not constricted to how good they are, only to find success elsewhere. Fans of teams he's played for in England have always had good things to say about his on-pitch performances, including those teams in the PL. We shouldn't be going anywhere near him because I don't think the Championship is difficult enough to get out of for him to be worth taking a gamble on, but that's wholly different to the question of his ability.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on June 15, 2016, 08:44:06 AM: part of that argument is certainly true - just look at how shit Bacuna and Westwood are compared to how many games they've played.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 15, 2016, 10:34:08 AM: Quote from: Ads on June 14, 2016, 11:50:55 PM
He fell out with West Ham because he wouldn't agree to joining Allardyce's agent's stable of players, with Nolan turning the screw.

I've heard that story. Allardyce effectively bullied him out of the club, which is weird because I recall his form at the time had got him into/near the England squad.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: DBTW on June 15, 2016, 10:46:21 AM: And reading comments on social media, many West Ham, fans would love him to go back
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: paul_e on June 15, 2016, 11:22:41 AM: Quote from: aj2k77 on June 15, 2016, 02:18:17 AM
Quote from: paul_e on June 14, 2016, 11:40:14 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on June 14, 2016, 09:21:41 PM
Morrison is shit end of story. It's not like he's some mecurial wizard with a bad streak like Gazza, he's done absolute fuck all for anyone. Would fit in great with the rest of the tossers though.

See he's a complete tit and I don't want him anywhere near the club but calling him shit is just plain wrong. If any manager manages to get him concentrating on the game giving up all the other bullshit they'll have a fantastic player on their hands, when he had a run for West Ham a few years ago before he fell out with Allerdyce he was making established internationals look like mugs, if he'd have pushed on from that he'd be starring at this tournament rather than struggling to get on the bench for Lazio.

Getting carried away a bit there Paul I think. He's played less than 20 top flight games. He's shite mate, if we sign him chalk him off as another ill thought out transfer.

No I'm really not, he's a very talented player who hasn't played many games because he's a dickhead. Being a dickhead doesn't stop him from being the most exciting young player the country has produced for years, it just means that he'll probably never make that step from 'wonderkid' to 'superstar' which he really should've.

I know youtube videos are scorned but this is a brief highlights video and some of the stuff he does is astounding:

The first goal (for the U21s against Lithuania) was an absolute belter, I watched that game and he was head and shoulders above everyone else on the pitch.

You got to remember that Fergie was quoted (by Rio Ferdinand and osmeone else) as saying that he's the most talented young player he's ever seen. Given you can include Ronaldo, Giggs, Beckham and Scholes in that group that's not insignificant praise.

As I say I don't want him but if he joins I'd hope that RDM and Clarke could get him focused because if someone can do that he's got the potential to be a top player.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 15, 2016, 12:30:13 PM: Tommy Elphick for £3m by the end of the week according to Pat Murphy.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 15, 2016, 12:35:51 PM: Looks like he got a bad injury last season as he started Bournemouth's first and last 6 league games.

Experienced, knows the lower leagues, hopefully vocal, I'm fine with it.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Hookeysmith on June 15, 2016, 12:38:00 PM: I think we will have to adjust to having a few "low rep" players join us at this level.

To be that close to a signing makes you realise just how much goes on behind the scenes without us getting a sniff
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 15, 2016, 12:42:42 PM: Quote from: Hookeysmith on June 15, 2016, 12:38:00 PM
I think we will have to adjust to having a few "low rep" players join us at this level.

To be that close to a signing makes you realise just how much goes on behind the scenes without us getting a sniff

Is he really much low rep than the summers when likes of Westwood, Lowton, Bowery, Tonev, Bacuna, Helenius signed?

We've been signing bargain basement players for years.

The shame isknow we have an ambitious owner who wants to spend....and the level now dictates it's hard to get in the quality internationals.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 15, 2016, 12:48:12 PM: Quote from: Hookeysmith on June 15, 2016, 12:38:00 PM
I think we will have to adjust to having a few "low rep" players join us at this level.

To be that close to a signing makes you realise just how much goes on behind the scenes without us getting a sniff

Agreed. And we need some players who understand the league, can offer some leadership at that level. We need players who will also be able to operate at PL when we get back but it's about the mix and getting that right. Look at who Sir Graham brought to the club when we got promoted. They fit the system and were on the whole very good characters.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: avfcpg on June 15, 2016, 01:03:00 PM: Quote from: SoccerHQ on June 15, 2016, 12:42:42 PM
Quote from: Hookeysmith on June 15, 2016, 12:38:00 PM
I think we will have to adjust to having a few "low rep" players join us at this level.

To be that close to a signing makes you realise just how much goes on behind the scenes without us getting a sniff

Is he really much low rep than the summers when likes of Westwood, Lowton, Bowery, Tonev, Bacuna, Helenius signed?

We've been signing bargain basement players for years.

The shame isknow we have an ambitious owner who wants to spend....and the level now dictates it's hard to get in the quality internationals.
Agree totally. Now we have the money and a good set up, we find ourselves out of the top flight and attracting top players will be hard. That's why I'm convinced that holding on to our foreign imports will be so important. They may not have torn up any trees last season but at least they've had a year in English football now.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on June 15, 2016, 01:15:12 PM: I'd have been delighted signing Elphick last season, it would be a great start.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on June 15, 2016, 01:18:23 PM: Quote from: avfcpg on June 15, 2016, 01:03:00 PM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on June 15, 2016, 12:42:42 PM
Quote from: Hookeysmith on June 15, 2016, 12:38:00 PM
I think we will have to adjust to having a few "low rep" players join us at this level.

To be that close to a signing makes you realise just how much goes on behind the scenes without us getting a sniff

Is he really much low rep than the summers when likes of Westwood, Lowton, Bowery, Tonev, Bacuna, Helenius signed?

We've been signing bargain basement players for years.

The shame isknow we have an ambitious owner who wants to spend....and the level now dictates it's hard to get in the quality internationals.
Agree totally. Now we have the money and a good set up, we find ourselves out of the top flight and attracting top players will be hard. That's why I'm convinced that holding on to our foreign imports will be so important. They may not have torn up any trees last season but at least they've had a year in English football now.

I'm still of the opinion that there is a decent core of five or six players at the club, who if they were surrounded by the right players and were under the right manager, could prosper in both the Championship and the Premier League. I'm hoping that the new management and owner can see that and can persuade them that they are going to be a part of something positive.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: villabear on June 15, 2016, 01:29:47 PM: Sky Sports reporting we've had a £3 million bid accepted by Bournemouth for Tommy Elphick.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on June 15, 2016, 01:33:39 PM: Bournemouth Forum even saying it's a done deal and that he is 'the epitome of a leader' and all seem sad that he is leaving.

On a side note their Forum is really annoying, adverts constantly popping up on there.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dazvillain on June 15, 2016, 01:40:29 PM: Quote from: Dazvillain on June 12, 2016, 11:57:01 AM
Quote from: OCD on June 12, 2016, 10:36:25 AM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on June 12, 2016, 08:52:04 AM
Quote from: OCD on June 11, 2016, 11:21:22 PM
Quote from: Newby on June 11, 2016, 08:59:35 PM
Meaning evil 'understands' that Elphick not coming as Howe doesn't want to sell. We'll see.

Sounds like they're trying to get some mileage out of the story where if Daz is right, there is none.

Who's Daz, what might he be right about, and what is there none of?

Confused, Greater Birmjngham.

Quote from: Dazvillain on June 09, 2016, 09:39:59 AM
My cousins are st holders at Bournemouth and just sent texts saying they have goo.d authority that Tommy Elphick coming to us as club captain !? They showed me screen shot from text convos from the players family at a wedding as one of them is close friend..... Surprise for me.... Any rumours of this from the villa side ?

Updates from south coast today are that having let Distin go and no one else in yet, they wouldn't also let Elphick go. This could change should they bring some CB cover in I guess

As I reported last weekend I can now confirm, my insider from cherries just text saying the 3 million agreed now and he's actually negotiating terms at this very moment
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 15, 2016, 01:44:23 PM: Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on June 15, 2016, 01:33:39 PM
Bournemouth Forum even saying it's a done deal and that he is 'the epitome of a leader' and all seem sad that he is leaving.

On a side note their Forum is really annoying, adverts constantly popping up on there.

It's the Blue Rinse border I don't like.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: old man villa fan on June 15, 2016, 01:54:36 PM: People say we need players that know the Championship. I don't think that this is necessary. What we do need are players that have the right attitude to play in the Championship.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dazvillain on June 15, 2016, 01:58:13 PM: Elphick, having been their club and team captain winning promotion def fits that bill. Hope he stays fit after only 14 games last season in prem
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Chris Jameson on June 15, 2016, 02:00:35 PM: I've never understood why they have to know the Championship, is it because they can give the coach driver directions to the away grounds as only Premier League teams are allowed drivers with road maps and sat nav?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on June 15, 2016, 02:09:35 PM: Having a quick look at Twitter, and it seems like Elphick's deleted a tweet from a while back where he slagged off Grealish about his hair and rolled-down socks, so clearly this will be done so.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on June 15, 2016, 02:28:31 PM: Could prove a very astute capture - and hopefully his signing will see Mica 'Fuckwit' Richards or Joleon 'John I've got a new motor' Lescott fuck the fuck off.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Walmley_Villa on June 15, 2016, 02:40:39 PM: We need a solid spine with all of it containing potential captains.....
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 15, 2016, 02:42:31 PM: so Di Matteo/Xia's very first signing will likely be the new team captain. I like it
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Stirchley Villain on June 15, 2016, 02:51:55 PM: Trouble is most players who "know" the Champoinship stay in the Championship.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: nigel on June 15, 2016, 03:01:28 PM: Quote from: villabear on June 15, 2016, 01:29:47 PM
Sky Sports reporting we've had a £3 million bid accepted by Bournemouth for Tommy Elphick.

Sean Teale the 2nd?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 15, 2016, 03:02:46 PM: You need a mix of players who know the division, ones that are good enough and will get us out of it, and those that will be able to fit in just fine at PL level and ensure they are very much a part of our future.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KevinGage on June 15, 2016, 03:18:08 PM: Quote from: nigel on June 15, 2016, 03:01:28 PM
Quote from: villabear on June 15, 2016, 01:29:47 PM
Sky Sports reporting we've had a £3 million bid accepted by Bournemouth for Tommy Elphick.

Sean Teale the 2nd?

Don't think many of us would have too many complaints if that turned out to be the case.

Fans of his current club are sad to see him go, always a decent sign.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 15, 2016, 05:02:13 PM: Quote from: Stirchley Villain on June 15, 2016, 02:51:55 PM
Trouble is most players who "know" the Champoinship stay in the Championship.

He didn't though, did he? He was a vital part of a team that won the league.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: john2710 on June 15, 2016, 05:42:14 PM: Quote from: old man villa fan on June 15, 2016, 01:54:36 PM
People say we need players that know the Championship. I don't think that this is necessary. What we do need are players that have the right attitude to play in the Championship.

And to point out politely when someone isn't pulling their weight.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 15, 2016, 06:02:00 PM: £27 million to go then ? ;)
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Stirchley Villain on June 15, 2016, 06:10:59 PM: Quote from: cdbullyweefan on June 15, 2016, 05:02:13 PM
Quote from: Stirchley Villain on June 15, 2016, 02:51:55 PM
Trouble is most players who "know" the Champoinship stay in the Championship.

He didn't though, did he? He was a vital part of a team that won the league.

I did say most not all
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 15, 2016, 06:46:39 PM: Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 15, 2016, 03:02:46 PM
You need a mix of players who know the division, ones that are good enough and will get us out of it, and those that will be able to fit in just fine at PL level and ensure they are very much a part of our future.

I'm not sure what you mean by 'know' the league. Couldn't we just employ a scout for £40k a year to assess the opposition?
I like what someone said earlier - to paraphrase - it's not knowing the league it's being prepared to play in it.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ian. on June 15, 2016, 07:17:27 PM: Quote from: JUAN PABLO on June 15, 2016, 06:02:00 PM
£27 million to go then ? ;)
£31 million, hopefully we'll mug someone off for 4 million for Gabby😉
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 15, 2016, 07:44:02 PM: We need Ireland knocked out and their manager sacked and appointed by some gullible club Chairman!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ian. on June 15, 2016, 08:40:24 PM: Yes, we do, I gets your thinking. It would be a match made in Heaven.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on June 15, 2016, 09:51:43 PM: I think O'Neill will retire once he finished Irish Project.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on June 15, 2016, 11:22:00 PM: Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on June 15, 2016, 09:51:43 PM
I think O'Neill will retire once he finished Irish Project.

Yeah and he'll return to punditry.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on June 15, 2016, 11:33:53 PM: Gunnarsson the Icelandic at Cardiff he's a combative player and has a long throw. Decent hard working player of limited but could certainly steel up middle. Has also expereinced promotion. Get him and jedinak.
Then up too perhaps along with bamford.
Bring in hal Robson kanu.He scores at this level and can be foil in box to gestede or if take on big Fletcher.

Elphick seems a decent move.

So that's
Gunnarson
Robson -Kanu
Jedinak
Fletcher
Elphick

Need to also look at some creativity and pace . I'll have a look round see what else can find .
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 15, 2016, 11:36:47 PM: Quote from: footyskillz on June 15, 2016, 11:33:53 PM

Need to also look at some creativity and pace . I'll have a look round see what else can find .

Thank you, footyskillz.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on June 15, 2016, 11:42:36 PM: Ahh yes Patrick Roberts man city could try a loan move
Leon osman would also be good.
Intetesting to see what happens to Southampton I think ward prowse some one could get hold off and be decent set piece taker. Shame Lewis baker off on loan at Chelsea otherwise RDM could have worked his magic getting him maybe instead chalobah. Another I've found is forster-casket at Brighton who would do well . Foresteri who I previously mentioned in my radar would like these 2 please .
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on June 15, 2016, 11:44:51 PM: Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on June 15, 2016, 09:51:43 PM
I think O'Neill will retire once he finished Irish Project.

He'll go manage in china super league and become an arch nemesis in global game against villa on a yearly stage
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 15, 2016, 11:45:12 PM: Quote from: Ian J on June 15, 2016, 07:17:27 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on June 15, 2016, 06:02:00 PM
£27 million to go then ? ;)
£31 million, hopefully we'll mug someone off for 4 million for Gabby😉

400 kebabs would get Gabby
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on June 15, 2016, 11:51:28 PM: While we are at it where are we with the Liam ridgewell debate. He won the mls championship cup just last season so is a current champion. If course mls often compared to championship league. Maybe worth a loan in off season if not fully. I'm really looking for former players who could and would do a job
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KevinGage on June 15, 2016, 11:52:47 PM: Quote from: footyskillz on June 15, 2016, 11:44:51 PM
Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on June 15, 2016, 09:51:43 PM
I think O'Neill will retire once he finished Irish Project.

He'll go manage in china super league and become an arch nemesis in global game against villa on a yearly stage

Yes. With his insider knowledge of the UK game he'll be able to pick up hidden gems like Gabby Agbonlahor for a knockdown £20 million and dominate world football.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Stirchley Villain on June 16, 2016, 12:29:16 PM: Quote from: footyskillz on June 15, 2016, 11:51:28 PM
While we are at it where are we with the Liam ridgewell debate. He won the mls championship cup just last season so is a current champion. If course mls often compared to championship league. Maybe worth a loan in off season if not fully. I'm really looking for former players who could and would do a job

We'd have to get someone to hold our ankles as we reached deep into the barrel to scrape him out.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Des Little on June 16, 2016, 12:31:12 PM: Has Ravel signed yet?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on June 16, 2016, 12:43:25 PM: yes he put an X on the contract
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on June 16, 2016, 12:56:43 PM: Same as Tony did.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on June 16, 2016, 01:00:33 PM: Footy while you are in Peter Brand (Brandt?) mode, see if you can spot somewhere to offload Gabby. Preferably a club we hate.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on June 16, 2016, 02:32:58 PM: I wonder if Jay Rodriguez might be available. Lost a couple of seasons really. Good goal record and would waltz the Championship (if fit enough).
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Exeter 77 on June 16, 2016, 03:04:17 PM: Quote from: supertom on June 16, 2016, 02:32:58 PM
I wonder if Jay Rodriguez might be available. Lost a couple of seasons really. Good goal record and would waltz the Championship (if fit enough).
Good at diving for penalties in the Holte End penalty area as well ;-)
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on June 16, 2016, 03:20:44 PM: Quote from: Exeter 77 on June 16, 2016, 03:04:17 PM
Quote from: supertom on June 16, 2016, 02:32:58 PM
I wonder if Jay Rodriguez might be available. Lost a couple of seasons really. Good goal record and would waltz the Championship (if fit enough).
Good at diving for penalties in the Holte End penalty area as well ;-)
I'll take that. As long as we're getting the penalties.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 16, 2016, 03:27:40 PM: Would bid for James Chester, had a good game today.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: nigel on June 16, 2016, 06:15:25 PM: Quote from: SoccerHQ on June 16, 2016, 03:27:40 PM
Would bid for James Chester, had a good game today.

Good call, but I reckon our starting centre backs will be Elphik and Okore with Clark and Baker back ups.
plus I think he might want a season in the Prem
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KevinGage on June 16, 2016, 06:29:31 PM: Quote from: SoccerHQ on June 16, 2016, 03:27:40 PM
Would bid for James Chester, had a good game today.

Didn't he move for something daft like £10 million last summer?

I can't see Olbiyun wanting to cash in just yet and I couldn't see him being interested in a move back to the Championship either.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on June 16, 2016, 09:46:23 PM: I think it was £8 million for Chester. Maybe a swap deal for Clark?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 17, 2016, 09:47:14 AM: Quote from: Newby on June 16, 2016, 09:46:23 PM
I think it was £8 million for Chester. Maybe a swap deal for Clark?

Yes Pulis seems to like Clark as bid for him last summer so I wouldn't be adverse to that at all.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: chrisw1 on June 17, 2016, 11:04:47 AM: They were trying to off load him in January. Given he only played 13 league games for them last year, 5 of those as sub I think I wouldn't want to be going anywhere near £8m of our budget for him. Also at 5/9 pretty short for a center half?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on June 17, 2016, 11:26:46 AM: Quote from: chrisw1 on June 17, 2016, 11:04:47 AM
They were trying to off load him in January. Given he only played 13 league games for them last year, 5 of those as sub I think I wouldn't want to be going anywhere near £8m of our budget for him. Also at 5/9 pretty short for a center half?

He only played that many games for them because Pulis followed the "Martin O'Neill Guide to Buying Defenders" paying £8m for him and then immediately trying to turn him into a RB. Would be a good buy for us.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: spangley1812 on June 17, 2016, 11:55:06 AM: Quote from: Newby on June 16, 2016, 09:46:23 PM
I think it was £8 million for Chester. Maybe a swap deal for Clark?

swap deal for Lescott please
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: paul_e on June 17, 2016, 12:33:45 PM: Quote from: chrisw1 on June 17, 2016, 11:04:47 AM
They were trying to off load him in January. Given he only played 13 league games for them last year, 5 of those as sub I think I wouldn't want to be going anywhere near £8m of our budget for him. Also at 5/9 pretty short for a center half?

Points out Pulis not playing him second sentence, points out why in third sentence.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 17, 2016, 12:40:51 PM: He's 5ft 11. Not massive but it's not 5ft 9. And if he is too short and the reason for not being player why was he signed in the first place. It might be just Pulis just doesn't like him, or he's not been consistently good enough at PL level.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: paul_e on June 17, 2016, 12:54:21 PM: Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 17, 2016, 12:40:51 PM
He's 5ft 11. Not massive but it's not 5ft 9. And if he is too short and the reason for not being player why was he signed in the first place. It might be just Pulis just doesn't like him, or he's not been consistently good enough at PL level.

Nah, Pulis saw him as an option to convert a central defender into a defensively sound right back who'd have little inclination to wander up field, I think that' pretty clear. Probably slightly better than Sherwood wanting to convert a defensively suspect right back into a central defender though.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mattjpa on June 17, 2016, 12:59:51 PM: No founding on this one what so ever and not sure if previously mentioned but Robson Kanu looked really good for wales and they mentioned he was on a free. 2-3 year contract with an option to terminate after 12 would surely be worth it
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on June 17, 2016, 01:27:53 PM: God no. He's rubbish.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on June 17, 2016, 01:41:09 PM: Quote from: paul_e on June 17, 2016, 12:54:21 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 17, 2016, 12:40:51 PM
He's 5ft 11. Not massive but it's not 5ft 9. And if he is too short and the reason for not being player why was he signed in the first place. It might be just Pulis just doesn't like him, or he's not been consistently good enough at PL level.

Nah, Pulis saw him as an option to convert a central defender into a defensively sound right back who'd have little inclination to wander up field, I think that' pretty clear. Probably slightly better than Sherwood wanting to convert a defensively suspect right back into a central defender though.

Exactly what happened Paul. Similar situation as O'Neill with Cuellar.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Richard on June 17, 2016, 01:41:33 PM: Robson Kanu is no centre forward more a right winger and I'd rather see if Traore stays.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: avfcdale on June 17, 2016, 03:09:39 PM: Have we signed Bamford and Berbatov yet ?????
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on June 17, 2016, 03:29:02 PM: I think you already know the answer to that, don't you?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Mostinho II on June 17, 2016, 03:31:58 PM: I'm not sure about Robson or Kanu. I think they might be a little over the hill. What about Benni McCarthy - he's only 38.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 17, 2016, 03:31:59 PM: Quote from: paul_e on June 17, 2016, 12:54:21 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 17, 2016, 12:40:51 PM
He's 5ft 11. Not massive but it's not 5ft 9. And if he is too short and the reason for not being player why was he signed in the first place. It might be just Pulis just doesn't like him, or he's not been consistently good enough at PL level.

Nah, Pulis saw him as an option to convert a central defender into a defensively sound right back who'd have little inclination to wander up field, I think that' pretty clear. Probably slightly better than Sherwood wanting to convert a defensively suspect right back into a central defender though.

I seem to remember reading a possible reason being to do with Pulis getting money from the transfer. Same agents or something, I think it may have helped. Allegedly of course.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on June 17, 2016, 03:34:26 PM: we have made a bid for Gimastic's striker Jose Naranjo. The Jawdies are also keen. Apparently.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on June 17, 2016, 03:39:29 PM: Blimey, if we get Naranjo he will be a nice friend for L'il Lee. Peas in a pod.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: villabear on June 17, 2016, 04:36:00 PM: Quote from: brian green on June 17, 2016, 03:39:29 PM
Blimey, if we get Naranjo he will be a nice friend for L'il Lee. Peas in a pod.

Is he orange as well?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on June 17, 2016, 05:02:35 PM: It's the new black
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on June 17, 2016, 07:18:02 PM: Di Matteo reckons the squad is too big. I agree. It full of shit too. Needs trimming and some of the shit replacing with quality. I'd rather get rid of ten to bring in five, especially if some of those shunted include Bacuna, Gabby and Richards. I can't see Gardner, Bennett or Baker getting a look in, so there's six.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 17, 2016, 07:31:47 PM: I think what he meant by big is that it is too fat as he looked at videos and pictures of Gabby.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on June 17, 2016, 07:39:01 PM: I'd agree with him.

On paper we have three left backs; Amavi, Cissokho and Bennett, but only one of them is good.enough in Amavi. Cissokho might be able to do a defensive job but he offers nothing going forwards and Bennett is woeful.

Up front we have on paper four strikers in Ayew, Gestede, Gabby and Kozak, but only Ayew is good enough for the top flight. Gestede will score goals and will be an option in this league, but the other two have contributed nothing in two or three years for different reasons.

We carry far too many passengers and non-contributors.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 17, 2016, 07:42:13 PM: Quote from: Ads on June 17, 2016, 07:39:01 PM
We carry far too many passengers and non-contributors.

I completely agree, it's been a long time since we had the right blend across the squad.
I recall when Mourinho first joined Chelsea, he said a similar thing to RDM, saying that he wanted two players competing for each position and that was it. After that, waste and inefficiencies kick in.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on June 17, 2016, 08:00:03 PM: Quote from: Newby on June 17, 2016, 07:18:02 PM
Di Matteo reckons the squad is too big. I agree. It full of shit too. Needs trimming and some of the shit replacing with quality. I'd rather get rid of ten to bring in five, especially if some of those shunted include Bacuna, Gabby and Richards. I can't see Gardner, Bennett or Baker getting a look in, so there's six.

this totally

no more giving players another chance when they have been shit for 3 seasons, or signing players on the brink of retirement and after one last payday
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: adrenachrome on June 17, 2016, 10:48:56 PM: Quote from: Ads on June 17, 2016, 07:39:01 PM
I'd agree with him.

On paper we have three left backs; Amavi, Cissokho and Bennett, but only one of them is good.enough in Amavi. Cissokho might be able to do a defensive job but he offers nothing going forwards and Bennett is woeful.

Up front we have on paper four strikers in Ayew, Gestede, Gabby and Kozak, but only Ayew is good enough for the top flight. Gestede will score goals and will be an option in this league, but the other two have contributed nothing in two or three years for different reasons.

We carry far too many passengers and non-contributors.

No doubt.

Enough's enough
We prune in June
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Zouch Villa on June 17, 2016, 11:19:58 PM: Quote from: adrenachrome on June 17, 2016, 10:48:56 PM
We prune in June

Then we buy in July...
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: four fornicholl on June 17, 2016, 11:30:04 PM: Quote from: Zouch Villa on June 17, 2016, 11:19:58 PM
Quote from: adrenachrome on June 17, 2016, 10:48:56 PM
We prune in June

Then we buy in July...
Lets hope Xia doesn't go bust in august
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Stirchley Villain on June 18, 2016, 12:33:19 AM: Quote from: four fornicholl on June 17, 2016, 11:30:04 PM
Quote from: Zouch Villa on June 17, 2016, 11:19:58 PM
Quote from: adrenachrome on June 17, 2016, 10:48:56 PM
We prune in June

Then we buy in July...
Lets hope Xia doesn't go bust in august

Or there could be a meteor... or an asteroid... or a super volcano eruption...
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on June 18, 2016, 12:58:21 AM: Quote from: Ads on June 17, 2016, 07:39:01 PM
I'd agree with him.

On paper we have three left backs; Amavi, Cissokho and Bennett, but only one of them is good.enough in Amavi. Cissokho might be able to do a defensive job but he offers nothing going forwards and Bennett is woeful.

Up front we have on paper four strikers in Ayew, Gestede, Gabby and Kozak, but only Ayew is good enough for the top flight. Gestede will score goals and will be an option in this league, but the other two have contributed nothing in two or three years for different reasons.

We carry far too many passengers and non-contributors.

Agree and a lot of them have pretty poor injury records as well and tend to be out for quite long periods.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on June 18, 2016, 08:42:31 AM: Be a good idea to get a stats man in quickly as all that sort of stuff will be made available to RDM.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on June 18, 2016, 09:25:13 AM: Paddy Reilly was/is the stats man isn't he? I thought his original job in football was as an analyst?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on June 18, 2016, 09:30:23 AM: Reilly was more recruitment wasn't he? I think RDM has said he has someone in mind for the stats role. I guess it could be combined with checking players out though. I saw an I interview with a guy by Tubes on Soccer AM who was doing something similar. He was recommending players, based on their stats, but he'd never seen them play. Knew all about their distances, blocked tackles etc.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on June 18, 2016, 09:37:41 AM: Head of Player Recruitment & Analytics
Aston Villa Football Club
July 2011 – November 2012 (1 year 5 months)Birmingham, United Kingdom
Aston Villa Football Club
Head of Performance Analysis
Aston Villa Football Club
September 2004 – July 2011 (6 years 11 months)
The Football Association
Performance Analyst
The Football Association
September 2001 – September 2004 (3 years 1 month)

That's what Reilly did before we re appointed him as the head of scouting and recruitment.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on June 18, 2016, 09:50:30 AM: Fair do's AJ. I suppose it's not his fault that players didn't run around too much!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: JD on June 18, 2016, 10:15:59 AM: Quote from: Newby on June 18, 2016, 09:50:30 AM
Fair do's AJ. I suppose it's not his fault that players didn't run around too much!

Probably why he got the recruitment job. When you players don't run around, touch the ball very much and pass to the opposition there becomes no need for a stats role.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: CJ on June 18, 2016, 10:45:20 AM: Riley.
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Post by: Mossie Hennebry on June 18, 2016, 11:12:31 AM: Quote from: CJ on June 18, 2016, 10:45:20 AM
Riley.
Really?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: nigel on June 18, 2016, 12:00:10 PM: Edit:
Wrong thread :-[
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villafirst on June 18, 2016, 04:22:51 PM: B'ham Mail reporting Xia has over £500M in a British bank account ready "to dip into" when needed to fund Villa. All transfer final decisions are down to RDM.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 18, 2016, 04:43:29 PM: I've given up on the Mail being right about anything to do with us. They will likely be letting us know in an exclusive by Evanns that the club is being sold to a Chinese businessman. As for Xia's dipping in money how on earth do they know?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Boz on June 18, 2016, 05:08:15 PM: Quote from: Villafirst on June 18, 2016, 04:22:51 PM
B'ham Mail reporting Xia has over £500M in a British bank account ready "to dip into" when needed to fund Villa. All transfer final decisions are down to RDM.

The FA's fit and proper person exercise identified Dr X had £600m in the bank. Whether that was deposited to satisfy the FA and whether it was loaned to him (Chinese Government??) we will never know. Not many businesses have that sort of cash liquidity these days.

We have to hope all his talk on the future is based on a solid financial base and good management team.

Next May will be clincher.

UTV
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on June 18, 2016, 05:26:40 PM: I thought that Doctor X only had to show funds to cover the purchase price and working capital. Showing £500/600m seems to be a way of sticking two fingers up to the doubters
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: OCD on June 18, 2016, 05:46:17 PM: I read in one of the interviews that he showed he had £600m in a bank account earmarked for us. Probably doesn't need half of that to buy the club, run it and bring new players in. Could be to show that the club has finance available for the next few years, regardless of what happens elsewhere.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 18, 2016, 06:48:51 PM: The Record reporting that we are in competition with Hull and Celtic for Steven Fletcher. Depending on what wages he'd be after, and his fitness, he'd be a good signing. Plus I always like to have a Scot or two in the team.

Can't see him at Celtic, he's the least Rogers player ever. Would be a failure like Benteke under him.

He mighty fancy Hull in the Premier League rather than us though.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on June 18, 2016, 07:04:32 PM: There's a few good freebies going. Fletcher is a big lump who might do a good job for us with the right service.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: LeeB on June 18, 2016, 07:08:18 PM: I've always quite liked Fletcher, and he's got a bit more subtlety to his game than just being a lump.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KevinGage on June 18, 2016, 07:15:23 PM: See no real merit in an over the hill Fletcher. Didn't think he was particularly outstanding at his peak.

But Bournemouth went up two years ago with about 20 forwards they seemed to rotate.

It's a longer season, even before the cup games. So as a forward to come in and hopefully have an impact for a few games rather than one you'd rely on for a season, maybe.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on June 18, 2016, 07:27:48 PM: I think it depends on the type of football Di Matteo wants to play and what he thinks he can do with what we've got. So far we've got Getsede, Gabby, Kozak, Ayew, as out and out forwards. I've definitely missed someone - but we can't sell all of them and buy 4 or 5 in so if say 2 or 3 of that 4 are going then we'll need the odd like for like replacement as well as supplementing what we have wither players that will compliment the team. If we keep Gestede - which seems likely - then maybe Fletcher is seen as someone of that ilk that gestede can learn from and do a job in the Championship.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on June 18, 2016, 07:35:28 PM: Quote from: LeeB on June 18, 2016, 07:08:18 PM
I've always quite liked Fletcher, and he's got a bit more subtlety to his game than just being a lump.

As ! have said before Fletcher played very well for Wolves. Very adept at holding the ball up.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 18, 2016, 07:40:20 PM: Fletcher passed it and injury prone, no point.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Concrete John on June 18, 2016, 08:03:11 PM: I very much doubt there's anything in the Fletcher link. And if there is, it probably means the story about having £500m in the bank is rubbish.

Fletcher is not the sort of signing to get you out of the Championship.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 18, 2016, 09:24:06 PM: Fletcher was good few years back but not done anything at Sunderland lately and saw a few games he played for Marseille and he was pretty poor there.

IMO we already have our Fletcher upfront in Gestede like him or not.We need more dynamic and younger options upfront.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on June 18, 2016, 09:32:36 PM: Quote from: SoccerHQ on June 18, 2016, 09:24:06 PM
Fletcher was good few years back but not done anything at Sunderland lately and saw a few games he played for Marseille and he was pretty poor there.

IMO we already have our Fletcher upfront in Gestede like him or not.We need more dynamic and younger options upfront.

this

a player with their best days behind them, looking for one last payday, ever get the feeling of deja vu?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on June 18, 2016, 09:40:29 PM: Quote from: SoccerHQ on June 18, 2016, 09:24:06 PM
Fletcher was good few years back but not done anything at Sunderland lately and saw a few games he played for Marseille and he was pretty poor there.

IMO we already have our Fletcher upfront in Gestede like him or not.We need more dynamic and younger options upfront.

Agree. We already have that type of striker in Gestede and Kozak. What we need is a quick forward with good movement.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 18, 2016, 09:51:22 PM: I'd forgotten about Kozak!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on June 18, 2016, 10:44:49 PM: Being linked to Hal Robson-Kanu in tomorrow's Mirror. Also Grealish has a future at Villa according to RDM. That one's in the Brim Mail, so, probably be gone by Wednesday!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on June 18, 2016, 11:18:48 PM: Quote from: Concrete John on June 18, 2016, 08:03:11 PM
I very much doubt there's anything in the Fletcher link. And if there is, it probably means the story about having £500m in the bank is rubbish.

Fletcher is not the sort of signing to get you out of the Championship.

Agreed.

Well not get you out at the top end at least, maybe the bottom :)
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brontebilly on June 18, 2016, 11:42:04 PM: Quote from: Ron Manager on June 18, 2016, 07:35:28 PM
Quote from: LeeB on June 18, 2016, 07:08:18 PM
I've always quite liked Fletcher, and he's got a bit more subtlety to his game than just being a lump.

As ! have said before Fletcher played very well for Wolves. Very adept at holding the ball up.

His goal record since then is abysmal.

We have enough players who were decent 4 or 5 years ago
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: itbrvilla on June 19, 2016, 12:36:13 AM: Quote from: brontebilly on June 18, 2016, 11:42:04 PM
Quote from: Ron Manager on June 18, 2016, 07:35:28 PM
Quote from: LeeB on June 18, 2016, 07:08:18 PM
I've always quite liked Fletcher, and he's got a bit more subtlety to his game than just being a lump.

As ! have said before Fletcher played very well for Wolves. Very adept at holding the ball up.

His goal record since then is abysmal.

We have enough players who were decent 4 or 5 years ago
Spot on. That's been out problem for years now. Please Villa learn from the last 10 years FFS
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Cliftonville Villain on June 19, 2016, 02:17:40 AM: Fletcher was a journeyman footballer in a shit Sunderland team. Yes I know we're in among the shit now, but as above, learn from the mistakes of the past Villa. Don't want to sound like Xia here, but there's a certain type of player we should be looking at, not the blanket shower of shite that pass for professional footballers these days. We are Villa after all, no matter what.

RDM has been presented with the greatest of blank canvases...the removal of the cancer of Lescott, Richards, Agbonlahor etc coupled with the chance of getting us back up with a squad tarnished by the stain of the above will be no mean feat. But Fletcher and his ilk (most of the present Villa side) of bog standard mediocrity is not the way to go.

Tommy Elphick is a case in point, but by all accounts he's a f**king headcase who knows the division, was key to getting Bournemouth out of it, and is captain material. We need THAT kind of championship player. And if people are accepting of the like of Robson-kanu as a possible Villa player next season, then Randy really did win in the end by lowering our expectations to that extent.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: paul_e on June 19, 2016, 02:07:00 PM: Quote from: Cliftonville Villain on June 19, 2016, 02:17:40 AM
Fletcher was a journeyman footballer in a shit Sunderland team. Yes I know we're in among the shit now, but as above, learn from the mistakes of the past Villa. Don't want to sound like Xia here, but there's a certain type of player we should be looking at, not the blanket shower of shite that pass for professional footballers these days. We are Villa after all, no matter what.

RDM has been presented with the greatest of blank canvases...the removal of the cancer of Lescott, Richards, Agbonlahor etc coupled with the chance of getting us back up with a squad tarnished by the stain of the above will be no mean feat. But Fletcher and his ilk (most of the present Villa side) of bog standard mediocrity is not the way to go.

Tommy Elphick is a case in point, but by all accounts he's a f**king headcase who knows the division, was key to getting Bournemouth out of it, and is captain material. We need THAT kind of championship player. And if people are accepting of the like of Robson-kanu as a possible Villa player next season, then Randy really did win in the end by lowering our expectations to that extent.

I agree, the key for me is that we need to target players who take a lot of convincing to join us. Anyone who is happy to play in the championship without needing to be convinced of our plans to get back up the first opportunity and then push on from there is the wrong type of player. Age, nationality, etc are all less important than this. I want players who see what we can become and want to get in at the ground floor and see how high they can rise with us not players who see us as a championship club with a bit of extra cash so they can get slightly better wages.

Fundamentally that means we should be looking at players who won't want to play outside the top flight for the bulk of the signings. Elphick doesn't really fit with that but he's captained a side to the premier league and then become surplus because of an injury, I can see him having a point to prove and being a driving force for us this year.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Stirchley Villain on June 19, 2016, 03:14:26 PM: Robbie Brady being linked with us today.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on June 19, 2016, 04:23:58 PM: Quote from: Concrete John on June 18, 2016, 08:03:11 PM
I very much doubt there's anything in the Fletcher link. And if there is, it probably means the story about having £500m in the bank is rubbish.

Fletcher is not the sort of signing to get you out of the Championship.

I reckon he's exactly the sort of player to get you out of the Championship, but the sort to ditch as soon as you are.

If we'd been in this situation last year not many people would have said that Cameron Jerome was the sort of player to get you out of the Championship, but he was exactly that for Norwich.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: OCD on June 19, 2016, 05:30:05 PM: Ideally we would plan the squad building with the expectation of being back in the PL next year i.e. signing players who can adapt to the league and still be useful beyond this season. If we need to make some changes fair enough but we shouldn't need to make wholesale changes if we do (hopefully) find ourselves back up.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on June 19, 2016, 05:31:17 PM: Quote from: Dave on June 19, 2016, 04:23:58 PM
Quote from: Concrete John on June 18, 2016, 08:03:11 PM
I very much doubt there's anything in the Fletcher link. And if there is, it probably means the story about having £500m in the bank is rubbish.

Fletcher is not the sort of signing to get you out of the Championship.

I reckon he's exactly the sort of player to get you out of the Championship, but the sort to ditch as soon as you are.

If we'd been in this situation last year not many people would have said that Cameron Jerome was the sort of player to get you out of the Championship, but he was exactly that for Norwich.

and for Birmingham when they got promoted.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on June 19, 2016, 05:36:29 PM: Quote from: Ron Manager on June 19, 2016, 05:31:17 PM
Quote from: Dave on June 19, 2016, 04:23:58 PM
Quote from: Concrete John on June 18, 2016, 08:03:11 PM
I very much doubt there's anything in the Fletcher link. And if there is, it probably means the story about having £500m in the bank is rubbish.

Fletcher is not the sort of signing to get you out of the Championship.

I reckon he's exactly the sort of player to get you out of the Championship, but the sort to ditch as soon as you are.

If we'd been in this situation last year not many people would have said that Cameron Jerome was the sort of player to get you out of the Championship, but he was exactly that for Norwich.

and for Birmingham when they got promoted.

I'm trying to eat
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: claret and blue blood on June 19, 2016, 05:46:26 PM: Lol!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Concrete John on June 19, 2016, 07:37:43 PM: Quote from: Dave on June 19, 2016, 04:23:58 PM
Quote from: Concrete John on June 18, 2016, 08:03:11 PM
I very much doubt there's anything in the Fletcher link. And if there is, it probably means the story about having £500m in the bank is rubbish.

Fletcher is not the sort of signing to get you out of the Championship.

I reckon he's exactly the sort of player to get you out of the Championship, but the sort to ditch as soon as you are.

If we'd been in this situation last year not many people would have said that Cameron Jerome was the sort of player to get you out of the Championship, but he was exactly that for Norwich.

I think Fletcher of a few years ago would have been, but not now.

Brady I think would be a decent signing.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 19, 2016, 07:43:06 PM: Would be happy with Brady as long as it dosen't mean Amavi is going.

Amavi + Brady would be a very strong left hand side for championship football.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Gareth on June 19, 2016, 08:08:59 PM: Quote from: Concrete John on June 19, 2016, 07:37:43 PM
Quote from: Dave on June 19, 2016, 04:23:58 PM
Quote from: Concrete John on June 18, 2016, 08:03:11 PM
I very much doubt there's anything in the Fletcher link. And if there is, it probably means the story about having £500m in the bank is rubbish.

Fletcher is not the sort of signing to get you out of the Championship.

I reckon he's exactly the sort of player to get you out of the Championship, but the sort to ditch as soon as you are.

If we'd been in this situation last year not many people would have said that Cameron Jerome was the sort of player to get you out of the Championship, but he was exactly that for Norwich.

I think Fletcher of a few years ago would have been, but not now.

Brady I think would be a decent signing.

Brady would be a good signing.

Fletcher for me was always the softest, weakest 'big man' around - would be happy to leave that one well alone
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Concrete John on June 19, 2016, 08:28:18 PM: Quote from: SoccerHQ on June 19, 2016, 07:43:06 PM
Would be happy with Brady as long as it dosen't mean Amavi is going.

Amavi + Brady would be a very strong left hand side for championship football.

I want to keep Amavi too, but we have to be realistic and IF he goes Brady is a good replacement for Championship level if not a season or two to get re-established in the Premier League.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on June 19, 2016, 09:06:03 PM: Quote from: Gareth on June 19, 2016, 08:08:59 PM
Quote from: Concrete John on June 19, 2016, 07:37:43 PM
Quote from: Dave on June 19, 2016, 04:23:58 PM
Quote from: Concrete John on June 18, 2016, 08:03:11 PM
I very much doubt there's anything in the Fletcher link. And if there is, it probably means the story about having £500m in the bank is rubbish.

Fletcher is not the sort of signing to get you out of the Championship.

I reckon he's exactly the sort of player to get you out of the Championship, but the sort to ditch as soon as you are.

If we'd been in this situation last year not many people would have said that Cameron Jerome was the sort of player to get you out of the Championship, but he was exactly that for Norwich.

I think Fletcher of a few years ago would have been, but not now.

Brady I think would be a decent signing.

Brady would be a good signing.

Fletcher for me was always the softest, weakest 'big man' around - would be happy to leave that one well alone

Would hopefully solve our inability to take decent set pieces as well.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on June 19, 2016, 09:07:09 PM: Brady is decent. A good age and a good amount of experience with it.
Fletcher I wouldn't touch with a ten foot barge pole.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 19, 2016, 09:25:19 PM: Quote from: supertom on June 19, 2016, 09:07:09 PM
Brady is decent. A good age and a good amount of experience with it.
Fletcher I wouldn't touch with a ten foot barge pole.
we have run out of 10 foot, will 3 metres work ?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on June 20, 2016, 12:52:01 AM: If we can get Brady and keep Amavi, that would seem in theory a good combination, in terms of them being able to interchange between left wing and left back without having one being severely weaker in either going forwards or defending.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on June 20, 2016, 08:38:49 AM: I just read Norwich unlikely to let him go
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on June 20, 2016, 08:41:14 AM: money talks and they don't have any
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Hookeysmith on June 20, 2016, 08:47:04 AM: His Wiki states a winger not a left back?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on June 20, 2016, 09:09:10 AM: Quote from: Hookeysmith on June 20, 2016, 08:47:04 AM
His Wiki states a winger not a left back?
He's a winger who has been used at full-back by Norwich and Ireland over the past few seasons.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on June 20, 2016, 09:09:14 AM: He started out as a winger didn't he?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: nigel on June 20, 2016, 09:46:53 AM: Quote from: peter w on June 20, 2016, 09:09:14 AM
He started out as a winger didn't he?

As did John Gidman, Kenny Swain, Colin Gibson.
Could be like rolling back the clock
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: darren woolley on June 20, 2016, 09:59:53 AM: I would like it if we sign Robbie Brady Good player.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: paul_e on June 20, 2016, 10:11:41 AM: If he did sign I think I'd play him on the wing with Amavi behind. my reasoning being that Amavi is the better crosser and fullbacks generally get more time to cross the ball in the modern game. I'd also trust Brady to get back and help out whereas I think Amavi is impulsive enough to want to stay forward and hope for a counter attack.

A mix of those 2 plus Grealish, Green and Ayew gives us the options and versatility we need on the left, I'd be very happy with that and would then concentrate on the right where I think we're incredibly weak.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oldtimernow on June 20, 2016, 10:15:21 AM: Quote from: paul_e on June 20, 2016, 10:11:41 AM
If he did sign I think I'd play him on the wing with Amavi behind. my reasoning being that Amavi is the better crosser and fullbacks generally get more time to cross the ball in the modern game. I'd also trust Brady to get back and help out whereas I think Amavi is impulsive enough to want to stay forward and hope for a counter attack.

A mix of those 2 plus Grealish, Green and Ayew gives us the options and versatility we need on the left, I'd be very happy with that and would then concentrate on the right where I think we're incredibly weak.

I read that Brady has played as a full back too, so perhaps they could rotate, so long as they are coached correctly how to do it ;)
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: OCD on June 20, 2016, 10:18:29 AM: If Amavi is the better crosser, surely you want him getting to the by-line to get crosses in. If he's crossing from a traditional left back position (obviously he could still overlap), then diagonal balls are too easy to deal with. It would be better to get defenders turning towards their goal. As for being too impulsive and wanting to stay forward, he needs to learn that side of the game and we would be better off with him learning that in the Championship than in the Premier League.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: paul_e on June 20, 2016, 10:34:15 AM: Quote from: OCD on June 20, 2016, 10:18:29 AM
If Amavi is the better crosser, surely you want him getting to the by-line to get crosses in. If he's crossing from a traditional left back position (obviously he could still overlap), then diagonal balls are too easy to deal with. It would be better to get defenders turning towards their goal. As for being too impulsive and wanting to stay forward, he needs to learn that side of the game and we would be better off with him learning that in the Championship than in the Premier League.

No, watch the games, fullbacks are the ones who cross from the positions you're talking about now, with wingers moving inside to create space. Having the pace (at fullback) to leave the winger unable to follow you means you get time and space to pick crosses. Even in a truly shitty season Amavi showed this early last year and if Hutton could cross he should've had 10-15 assists.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Chris Jameson on June 20, 2016, 10:41:29 AM: Brady played as a winger when he was at Hull.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: robbo1874 on June 20, 2016, 10:44:17 AM: Quote from: itbrvilla on June 19, 2016, 12:36:13 AM
Quote from: brontebilly on June 18, 2016, 11:42:04 PM
Quote from: Ron Manager on June 18, 2016, 07:35:28 PM
Quote from: LeeB on June 18, 2016, 07:08:18 PM
I've always quite liked Fletcher, and he's got a bit more subtlety to his game than just being a lump.

As ! have said before Fletcher played very well for Wolves. Very adept at holding the ball up.

His goal record since then is abysmal.

We have enough players who were decent 4 or 5 years ago
Spot on. That's been out problem for years now. Please Villa learn from the last 10 years FFS
i would suggest that our problem over the last 4-5 years has been selling our best players and replacing them with dross. And appointing shit mangers.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: DaveD on June 20, 2016, 11:08:32 AM: So we're in for Pantilimon apparently. Bournemouth's reserve centre half and Watford's reserve goalkeeper - Lerner out !
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 20, 2016, 01:04:04 PM: Quote from: DaveD on June 20, 2016, 11:08:32 AM
So we're in for Pantilimon apparently. Bournemouth's reserve centre half and Watford's reserve goalkeeper - Lerner out !

It's like the Mirror Group media hacks still think Randy is in charge. Because signing a goalkeeper that cannot beat out that clown Gomes will solve our existing comedy goalkeeping situation.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Chris Smith on June 20, 2016, 01:30:19 PM: Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 20, 2016, 01:04:04 PM
Quote from: DaveD on June 20, 2016, 11:08:32 AM
So we're in for Pantilimon apparently. Bournemouth's reserve centre half and Watford's reserve goalkeeper - Lerner out !

It's like the Mirror Group media hacks still think Randy is in charge. Because signing a goalkeeper that cannot beat out that clown Gomes will solve our existing comedy goalkeeping situation.

Isn't it more that now we are in the Championship they know that our options will be different. As it stands Burnley and Hull can offer potential signings something that we can't. Footballers are not known for long term thinking so potential is not generally high on their list of priorities.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 20, 2016, 01:37:52 PM: Quote from: OCD on June 20, 2016, 10:18:29 AM
If Amavi is the better crosser, surely you want him getting to the by-line to get crosses in. If he's crossing from a traditional left back position (obviously he could still overlap), then diagonal balls are too easy to deal with. It would be better to get defenders turning towards their goal. As for being too impulsive and wanting to stay forward, he needs to learn that side of the game and we would be better off with him learning that in the Championship than in the Premier League.

I'd guess that full-backs make more crosses nowadays unless you're playing with a 'hug the touchline' winger, but they're like rocking horse shit nowadays and create issues with having enough numbers in the centre of the pitch.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 20, 2016, 01:39:18 PM: Quote from: DaveD on June 20, 2016, 11:08:32 AM
So we're in for Pantilimon apparently. Bournemouth's reserve centre half and Watford's reserve goalkeeper - Lerner out !

I reckon Vorm could be a good option for GK. Playing championship football has to be better than spur's bench hasn't it?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 20, 2016, 01:52:37 PM: Quote from: Chris Smith on June 20, 2016, 01:30:19 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 20, 2016, 01:04:04 PM
Quote from: DaveD on June 20, 2016, 11:08:32 AM
So we're in for Pantilimon apparently. Bournemouth's reserve centre half and Watford's reserve goalkeeper - Lerner out !

It's like the Mirror Group media hacks still think Randy is in charge. Because signing a goalkeeper that cannot beat out that clown Gomes will solve our existing comedy goalkeeping situation.

Isn't it more that now we are in the Championship they know that our options will be different. As it stands Burnley and Hull can offer potential signings something that we can't. Footballers are not known for long term thinking so potential is not generally high on their list of priorities.

I'm just suggesting it is easy/lazy journalism. And the Mirror Group, and specifically those who write about us at The Mirror and Mail are just horrible in their research or knowledge. And I very much include Gregg Evans in that, and even Kendrick has come across as useless of late. There are very starting goalkeepers in Europe, at the same level or lower down that could be options we are looking at but the back up keeper at Watford who was less than average at Sunderland generates a much desired click for them.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on June 20, 2016, 01:53:19 PM: Brady weakens Norwich too which would be no bad thing.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: paul_e on June 20, 2016, 02:19:18 PM: Quote from: Chris Smith on June 20, 2016, 01:30:19 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 20, 2016, 01:04:04 PM
Quote from: DaveD on June 20, 2016, 11:08:32 AM
So we're in for Pantilimon apparently. Bournemouth's reserve centre half and Watford's reserve goalkeeper - Lerner out !

It's like the Mirror Group media hacks still think Randy is in charge. Because signing a goalkeeper that cannot beat out that clown Gomes will solve our existing comedy goalkeeping situation.

Isn't it more that now we are in the Championship they know that our options will be different. As it stands Burnley and Hull can offer potential signings something that we can't. Footballers are not known for long term thinking so potential is not generally high on their list of priorities.

So we need to find the ones who aren't so short-term in their thinking and that will see the potential, there will be some.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on June 20, 2016, 05:43:26 PM: Brady would be over priced at £12mill but he's a very good player and could either play in front of Amavi or instead of him. He'd be a great signing for us. So would Vorm.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on June 20, 2016, 07:07:54 PM: Quote from: Dante Lavelli on June 20, 2016, 01:39:18 PM
Quote from: DaveD on June 20, 2016, 11:08:32 AM
So we're in for Pantilimon apparently. Bournemouth's reserve centre half and Watford's reserve goalkeeper - Lerner out !

I reckon Vorm could be a good option for GK. Playing championship football has to be better than spur's bench hasn't it?
Vorm is good. I'd also take Myhill over Pantilimon who has looked fucking horrendous on every occasion I've seen him. In fact I'd sooner give Guzan a reprieve than sign him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: curiousorange on June 20, 2016, 07:30:46 PM: Vorm was brilliant that first season at Swansea. It always depresses me when a quality goalkeeper chooses to be second banana to a guy that's obviously not going anywhere.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on June 20, 2016, 07:52:11 PM: Quote from: curiousorange on June 20, 2016, 07:30:46 PM
Vorm was brilliant that first season at Swansea. It always depresses me when a quality goalkeeper chooses to be second banana to a guy that's obviously not going anywhere.

Like Begovic, almost like retiring.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: saunders_heroes on June 20, 2016, 09:36:00 PM: Where's the link with Brady come from?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on June 20, 2016, 10:34:24 PM: Jordan Rhodes?

http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2016/06/20/gb-jordan-rhodes-offered-to-championship-return/?utm_medium=share%20service&utm_campaign=social%20media&utm_source=twitter&utm_content=HITCdeadlineday
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 20, 2016, 11:19:44 PM: If Jordan Rhodes could be tempted back to the Championship, we should do everything we can to beat potential league rivals and get him.

He's guaranteed goals in that division.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 20, 2016, 11:24:50 PM: Suppose it's possible, Karanka never wanted him.

Barely started him and left him on the bench for the Brighton game.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on June 21, 2016, 12:54:46 AM: We've already got a one-dimensional striker in Gestede, so I don't fancy getting another one just because he'll score goals. Having those two didn't really get Blackburn anywhere.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 21, 2016, 06:49:58 AM: I'd prefer to chuck a few million at Ayew and persuade him to stay than rhodes.

Bamford is the only striker we have been linked with that I think has the proven Championship ability and the potential to play at a higher level. After that I think we should loan an up and coming youngster who needs games.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on June 21, 2016, 08:21:11 AM: I don't suppose there's any chance that the loan could be Embolo?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on June 21, 2016, 08:32:14 AM: To be fair I wouldn't really want Rhodes but I think McCormack would be a decent shout. Given his age I'd be surprised if we'd have to spend £12m on him either.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: chrisw1 on June 21, 2016, 09:03:07 AM: Jordan Rhodes has been a 1 in 2 striker for the last 7 seasons in both league one and the Championship. If the manager thinks he can suit the style of play he has in mind then I would be delighted if we signed him.

The first step is to get promoted. If Rhodes is a means to that end then fine. We can deal with the Premier and Champions league winning players once we've go over that first little hurdle.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: RussellC on June 21, 2016, 09:06:04 AM: I really like McCormack but his age and price-tag would probably put me off this summer. I also think that he'll be desperately looking for a Premier League moving rather than swapping Championship clubs again. I'd be tempted to have a proper look at Zack Clough from Bolton instead, who looks like a younger, cheaper version of McCormack.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on June 21, 2016, 11:06:02 AM: Quote from: chrisw1 on June 21, 2016, 09:03:07 AM
Jordan Rhodes has been a 1 in 2 striker for the last 7 seasons in both league one and the Championship. If the manager thinks he can suit the style of play he has in mind then I would be delighted if we signed him.

The first step is to get promoted. If Rhodes is a means to that end then fine. We can deal with the Premier and Champions league winning players once we've go over that first little hurdle.

He has, but he's even more one dimensional than Darren Bent. Having watched him quite a few times, he offers absolutely nothing outside the box and his movement is questionable. I'd much prefer us to bring in a more rounded striker and would definitely look at either Gayle from Palace or Wells from Huddersfield.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on June 21, 2016, 12:00:04 PM: Quote from: RussellC on June 21, 2016, 09:06:04 AM
I really like McCormack but his age and price-tag would probably put me off this summer. I also think that he'll be desperately looking for a Premier League moving rather than swapping Championship clubs again. I'd be tempted to have a proper look at Zack Clough from Bolton instead, who looks like a younger, cheaper version of McCormack.

After the last 4 or 5 years I don't want younger cheaper versions but experienced and the best in that division. If it means stumping up 10m for McCormack then so be it. I'd also pay whatever for Alan Judge even though he's out injured until around Christmas. Or contact his agent and say we'll be in in January if he's fit.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on June 21, 2016, 12:03:09 PM: Quote from: peter w on June 21, 2016, 12:00:04 PM
Quote from: RussellC on June 21, 2016, 09:06:04 AM
I really like McCormack but his age and price-tag would probably put me off this summer. I also think that he'll be desperately looking for a Premier League moving rather than swapping Championship clubs again. I'd be tempted to have a proper look at Zack Clough from Bolton instead, who looks like a younger, cheaper version of McCormack.

I'd also pay whatever for Alan Judge even though he's out injured until around Christmas. Or contact his agent and say we'll be in in January if he's fit.

Is that a player on your wish list, or are we really courting him?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on June 21, 2016, 12:05:22 PM: wish list - although we were linked a while ago.

But, and with the greatest respect for Brentford, should we come calling neither the player, nor I suspect the club, would be able to resist.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave Cooper please on June 21, 2016, 12:21:25 PM: Just seen a Twitter rumour that we are interested in Aaron Tshibola, young midfielder from Reading.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on June 21, 2016, 12:25:12 PM: Quote from: peter w on June 21, 2016, 12:05:22 PM
wish list - although we were linked a while ago.

But, and with the greatest respect for Brentford, should we come calling neither the player, nor I suspect the club, would be able to resist.

Would he be one for the bench?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: CJ on June 21, 2016, 12:25:54 PM: Quote from: Dave Cooper please on June 21, 2016, 12:21:25 PM
Just seen a Twitter rumour that we are interested in Aaron Tshibola, young midfielder from Reading.

Yeah there was a link about it in Getreading (http://www.getreading.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aaron-tshibola-reading-fc-fight-11496968?) via the Beeb gossip page this morning. Norwich and Palace also interested apparently.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: RussellC on June 21, 2016, 12:33:09 PM: Quote from: CJ on June 21, 2016, 12:25:54 PM
Quote from: Dave Cooper please on June 21, 2016, 12:21:25 PM
Just seen a Twitter rumour that we are interested in Aaron Tshibola, young midfielder from Reading.

Yeah there was a link about it in Getreading (http://www.getreading.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aaron-tshibola-reading-fc-fight-11496968?) via the Beeb gossip page this morning. Norwich and Palace also interested apparently.

Sky are reporting that Norwich have agreed a £2m fee for him today.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on June 21, 2016, 01:04:12 PM: Quote from: TheMalandro on June 21, 2016, 12:25:12 PM
Quote from: peter w on June 21, 2016, 12:05:22 PM
wish list - although we were linked a while ago.

But, and with the greatest respect for Brentford, should we come calling neither the player, nor I suspect the club, would be able to resist.

Would he be one for the bench?
We should never be buying for the bench, IMHO that's what the academy is for. Buy quality players to go straight into the team, as long as it's not blocking the path of promising "development" players.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on June 21, 2016, 01:05:15 PM: Not for the bench - he'd be good enough to be in the first team.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on June 21, 2016, 01:19:01 PM: Quote from: peter w on June 21, 2016, 01:05:15 PM
Not for the bench - he'd be good enough to be in the first team.

I've just been on a Brentford messageboard and the jury is very much unamimous that he can play at a higher level. Sounds great.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on June 21, 2016, 01:20:46 PM: Yeah I've got a Brentford season-ticket holder mate who said the same. he's been telling me for about 2 seasons that we should sign him. Even now we're in the same division.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Des Little on June 21, 2016, 01:27:01 PM: Can I just point out that the OP was about a player called Judge. The subsequent comment referred to him being suitable for the bench. Do I need to explain further?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mattjpa on June 21, 2016, 01:27:03 PM: Da Fuq!!!???!?!?! Were in the same division as Brentford?!?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on June 21, 2016, 01:28:58 PM: Quote from: GordonCowansisthegreatest on June 21, 2016, 01:04:12 PM
Quote from: TheMalandro on June 21, 2016, 12:25:12 PM
Quote from: peter w on June 21, 2016, 12:05:22 PM
wish list - although we were linked a while ago.

But, and with the greatest respect for Brentford, should we come calling neither the player, nor I suspect the club, would be able to resist.

Would he be one for the bench?
We should never be buying for the bench, IMHO that's what the academy is for. Buy quality players to go straight into the team, as long as it's not blocking the path of promising "development" players.

Might be wrong but I think Malandro was doing a Judge/bench gag there...

Edit: Des beat me to it...
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on June 21, 2016, 01:35:49 PM: Quote from: Des Little on June 21, 2016, 01:27:01 PM
Can I just point out that the OP was about a player called Judge. The subsequent comment referred to him being suitable for the bench. Do I need to explain further?
Nice one Melandro, straight over my head:-)
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on June 21, 2016, 01:36:36 PM: Quote from: Des Little on June 21, 2016, 01:27:01 PM
Can I just point out that the OP was about a player called Judge. The subsequent comment referred to him being suitable for the bench. Do I need to explain further?

It's been going on too long, Peter is either very tired or is not rising to it.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 21, 2016, 01:40:19 PM: It's a delicate balance with player recruitment. We want players who will get us promoted, but will also be good enough in the top flight.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KevinGage on June 21, 2016, 01:56:39 PM: Leicester are prepared to pay £30m to land Watford striker Troy Deeney. (Daily Telegraph)

Silly season is well underway.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: DB on June 21, 2016, 02:05:13 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 21, 2016, 01:40:19 PM
It's a delicate balance with player recruitment. We want players who will get us promoted, but will also be good enough in the top flight.

Players to get us up. Worry about players for the Prem when we get there.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 21, 2016, 02:06:54 PM: Quote from: DB on June 21, 2016, 02:05:13 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 21, 2016, 01:40:19 PM
It's a delicate balance with player recruitment. We want players who will get us promoted, but will also be good enough in the top flight.

Players to get us up. Worry about players for the Prem when we get there.

I think it's important to look at both aspects. You don't want to end up buying a load of players this summer and then replacing them all next summer.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ger Regan on June 21, 2016, 02:11:30 PM: Quote from: KevinGage on June 21, 2016, 01:56:39 PM
Leicester are prepared to pay £30m to land Watford striker Troy Deeney. (Daily Telegraph)

Silly season is well underway.
If (if) true, that's absolutely bonkers.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Gareth on June 21, 2016, 02:29:27 PM: Quote from: Ger Regan on June 21, 2016, 02:11:30 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on June 21, 2016, 01:56:39 PM
Leicester are prepared to pay £30m to land Watford striker Troy Deeney. (Daily Telegraph)

Silly season is well underway.
If (if) true, that's absolutely bonkers.

If true Walsall will laughing all the way to the bank ch-Ching!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on June 21, 2016, 02:44:48 PM: It's also the reason why If we can get promoted in the next season or two we wont have lost out money wise much at all. They're ll going to spunk the riches on massively over priced players and huge wages.
We can come up lean, hungry, with money to spend and immediately throw our weight around and comfortably jump over a fair few teams in the top flight.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on June 21, 2016, 02:49:04 PM: loving the positive vibe
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KevinGage on June 21, 2016, 02:52:14 PM: I suppose the obvious question is land him where.

If it is on the moon, £30 million would be about right.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on June 21, 2016, 03:03:17 PM: Quote from: TheMalandro on June 21, 2016, 01:36:36 PM
Quote from: Des Little on June 21, 2016, 01:27:01 PM
Can I just point out that the OP was about a player called Judge. The subsequent comment referred to him being suitable for the bench. Do I need to explain further?

It's been going on too long, Peter is either very tired or is not rising to it.

No, I made a very clever riposte about it. Far too clever for you to have spotted it.

Git.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on June 21, 2016, 03:08:38 PM: Quote from: peter w on June 21, 2016, 03:03:17 PM
Quote from: TheMalandro on June 21, 2016, 01:36:36 PM
Quote from: Des Little on June 21, 2016, 01:27:01 PM
Can I just point out that the OP was about a player called Judge. The subsequent comment referred to him being suitable for the bench. Do I need to explain further?

It's been going on too long, Peter is either very tired or is not rising to it.

No, I made a very clever riposte about it. Far too clever for you to have spotted it.

Git.

Check out the 'little things that make you smile' thread. May make you a little happier.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: spangley1812 on June 21, 2016, 06:09:45 PM: The Northern Ireland goalie Michael McGovern is out of contract
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on June 21, 2016, 06:29:10 PM: Quote from: LTA on June 21, 2016, 02:44:48 PM
It's also the reason why If we can get promoted in the next season or two we wont have lost out money wise much at all. They're ll going to spunk the riches on massively over priced players and huge wages.
We can come up lean, hungry, with money to spend and immediately throw our weight around and comfortably jump over a fair few teams in the top flight.

Good point
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cheltenhamlion on June 21, 2016, 06:36:35 PM: Has he been on the pop or something?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: maigrait on June 21, 2016, 06:57:25 PM: Sign up mcgovern northern ireland keeper!! Just had a great game.....
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on June 21, 2016, 07:04:17 PM: Agreed LTA, the chance to go up having removed the dead weight of high wage earners who contribute Jack all should give us and edge, considering we are miles bigger than the likes of Stoke and Swansea who have consistently out performed us.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on June 21, 2016, 07:05:53 PM: Free agent as well apparently.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: maigrait on June 21, 2016, 07:16:28 PM: Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on June 21, 2016, 07:05:53 PM
Free agent as well apparently.

Plus from Fermanagh where i currently live. Do it RDM!!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on June 21, 2016, 07:20:30 PM: Quote from: maigrait on June 21, 2016, 07:16:28 PM
Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on June 21, 2016, 07:05:53 PM
Free agent as well apparently.

Plus from Fermanagh where i currently live. Do it RDM!!

Get him in!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: garyshawsknee on June 21, 2016, 07:28:26 PM: Luton would be good for me, I still have flashbacks to when they use to beat us regularly in the 80s and me being teased at school.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on June 21, 2016, 07:49:46 PM: If Villa really do want Aaron Tshibola then two mill is a snip and I can't see him choosing Norwich over Villa! If we really do want him that is.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on June 22, 2016, 12:46:35 AM: Not seen much of Tshibola but an energetic box to box midfielder would be great.

The Pantillimon link is interesting. I think he has a lot of potential and is a great size for a keeper. The new keeping coach must know him from Man City days.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: eamonn on June 22, 2016, 01:55:18 AM: McGovern has been released by Hamilton Accies and I think his performance against Germany today has been over-hyped. He made a couple of good blocks from attackers bearing in on him but went to ground far too quickly for the goal and was well beaten by Muller's two efforts off the woodwork.

I mean Guzan and Sanchez are flying it at the Euros equivalent in their neck of the woods curently but I'd be happy to send both packing to Hamilton for good.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on June 22, 2016, 06:29:25 AM: Quote from: eamonn on June 22, 2016, 01:55:18 AM
McGovern has been released by Hamilton Accies and I think his performance against Germany today has been over-hyped. He made a couple of good blocks from attackers bearing in on him but went to ground far too quickly for the goal and was well beaten by Muller's two efforts off the woodwork.

I mean Guzan and Sanchez are flying it at the Euros equivalent in their neck of the woods curently but I'd be happy to send both packing to Hamilton for good.

To be fair, the genetic reproduction of Banks, Shilton, Rimmer, Spink, Bosnich and Jennings at their peak combined into 1 super keeper wouldn't have got close to the one off the bar just after the goal.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: OCD on June 22, 2016, 08:22:35 AM: I think the above is a little harsh on McGovern. I think it's fair to say he had a blinder. It would be stupid to sign someone on the basis of one performance though. Goalkeepers need to be consistently performing week-in, week-out.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: robbo1874 on June 22, 2016, 08:35:40 AM: A good solid keeper should be our first priority after the Elphick signing
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on June 22, 2016, 08:43:26 AM: Quote from: robbo1874 on June 22, 2016, 08:35:40 AM
A good solid keeper should be our first priority after the Elphick signing

You don't rate him?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: robbo1874 on June 22, 2016, 09:34:41 AM: I don't know him from a bar of soap mate and never claimed to. Others though, speak highly of him and his potential as a captain. My point is that now we've done that supposedly good bit of business, the next job is a solid keeper.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on June 22, 2016, 09:35:35 AM: I got that one Malandro - you're far too clever for your own good.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 22, 2016, 09:36:19 AM: Quote from: ozzjim on June 22, 2016, 12:46:35 AM
Not seen much of Tshibola but an energetic box to box midfielder would be great.

The Pantillimon link is interesting. I think he has a lot of potential and is a great size for a keeper. The new keeping coach must know him from Man City days.

Would help if the Reading guy could actually pass the ball. Gana and NRC are energetic box to box midfielders after all.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on June 22, 2016, 09:50:24 AM: Quote from: peter w on June 22, 2016, 09:35:35 AM
I got that one Malandro - you're far too clever for your own good.

I better pipe down, I've been trouble the last few days. It must be the moon.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: paul_e on June 22, 2016, 09:52:00 AM: Quote from: Villa in Denmark on June 22, 2016, 06:29:25 AM
Quote from: eamonn on June 22, 2016, 01:55:18 AM
McGovern has been released by Hamilton Accies and I think his performance against Germany today has been over-hyped. He made a couple of good blocks from attackers bearing in on him but went to ground far too quickly for the goal and was well beaten by Muller's two efforts off the woodwork.

I mean Guzan and Sanchez are flying it at the Euros equivalent in their neck of the woods curently but I'd be happy to send both packing to Hamilton for good.

To be fair, the genetic reproduction of Banks, Shilton, Rimmer, Spink, Bosnich and Jennings at their peak combined into 1 super keeper wouldn't have got close to the one off the bar just after the goal.

I think Muller was really unlucky with that one, he hit it so sweetly but it just seemed 'wobble' upwards a little (a bit like the cheap plastic flyaway balls do).
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: in exile on June 22, 2016, 10:50:21 AM: Quote from: TheMalandro on June 22, 2016, 08:43:26 AM
Quote from: robbo1874 on June 22, 2016, 08:35:40 AM
A good solid keeper should be our first priority after the Elphick signing

You don't rate him?
You're wasted on too many
;D
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Des Little on June 22, 2016, 03:58:07 PM: Quote from: OCD on June 22, 2016, 08:22:35 AM
I think the above is a little harsh on McGovern. I think it's fair to say he had a blinder. It would be stupid to sign someone on the basis of one performance though. Goalkeepers need to be consistently performing week-in, week-out.

Guzan does this. Badly.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: russon on June 22, 2016, 05:27:49 PM: Just bumped into Emile Heskey at Glasgow Central station. Can confirm he remains unattached and is available. Ludicrously I asked 'why not come back to the Villa' yet throughout his career with us I gave him nothing but pelters, so fickle us Villa fans (@DOL)
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on June 22, 2016, 07:13:58 PM: the silly season has well and truly started
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KevinGage on June 22, 2016, 07:20:45 PM: Signing Ivanhoe would be the start of suicide season.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on June 22, 2016, 07:22:54 PM: He wasn't being serious. Was he? 😜
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 22, 2016, 07:47:45 PM: Signing for Rangers.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: john e on June 22, 2016, 07:52:10 PM: Quote from: robbo1874 on June 22, 2016, 08:35:40 AM
A good solid keeper should be our first priority after the Elphick signing

and that's not Pantillimon
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on June 22, 2016, 08:03:41 PM: Quote from: russon on June 22, 2016, 05:27:49 PM
Just bumped into Emile Heskey at Glasgow Central station. Can confirm he remains unattached and is available. Ludicrously I asked 'why not come back to the Villa' yet throughout his career with us I gave him nothing but pelters, so fickle us Villa fans (@DOL)

One of his shots from when he was here still hasn't landed.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on June 22, 2016, 08:04:16 PM: Quote from: SoccerHQ on June 22, 2016, 07:47:45 PM
Signing for Rangers.

Who is?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ger Regan on June 22, 2016, 08:10:44 PM: I'd like us to go for Jeff Hendrick.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: dave shelley on June 22, 2016, 08:12:20 PM: He looks very useful doesn't he?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on June 22, 2016, 08:12:58 PM: Quote from: Newby on June 22, 2016, 08:04:16 PM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on June 22, 2016, 07:47:45 PM
Signing for Rangers.

Who is?

I assume he's talking about the NI keeper. Who apparently is.

Unless Heskey is as well. He would probably do just fine in the Premiership until he's fifty years old.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 22, 2016, 08:14:51 PM: Quote from: Dave on June 22, 2016, 08:12:58 PM
Quote from: Newby on June 22, 2016, 08:04:16 PM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on June 22, 2016, 07:47:45 PM
Signing for Rangers.

Who is?

I assume he's talking about the NI keeper. Who apparently is.

Unless Heskey is as well. He would probably do just fine in the Premiership until he's fifty years old.

Seems very random he was in Glasgow today, Warburton already signed Barton so looks like he wants experience for their return.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on June 22, 2016, 08:35:04 PM: I hope we do go for Brady. He's the sort of player we could do with. Whether Norwich will be easily swayed into letting him go to a rival is another matter but I'd like us to throw our weight around and bully a few of our competitors in the Championship. We're a huge fish in a small pond. Brady's adaptable, he works hard, his set piece delivery is good and he's got a bit of zip about him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villafirst on June 22, 2016, 08:51:40 PM: I thought Brady looked really good 2 seasons ago. The useless Lerner regime allowed him to join Norwich. Lerner was totally pathetic as a custodian of our great club.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on June 22, 2016, 08:55:23 PM: Quote from: Villafirst on June 22, 2016, 08:51:40 PM
I thought Brady looked really good 2 seasons ago. The useless Lerner regime allowed him to join Norwich. Lerner was totally pathetic as a custodian of our great club.

How do you know the manager at the time wanted him?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villafirst on June 22, 2016, 09:00:18 PM: Quote from: Clampy on June 22, 2016, 08:55:23 PM
Quote from: Villafirst on June 22, 2016, 08:51:40 PM
I thought Brady looked really good 2 seasons ago. The useless Lerner regime allowed him to join Norwich. Lerner was totally pathetic as a custodian of our great club.

How do you know the manager at the time wanted him?

I don't but the management at the time were poor decision makers - and look where the club finds itself as a result.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on June 22, 2016, 09:05:30 PM: Quote from: Villafirst on June 22, 2016, 09:00:18 PM
Quote from: Clampy on June 22, 2016, 08:55:23 PM
Quote from: Villafirst on June 22, 2016, 08:51:40 PM
I thought Brady looked really good 2 seasons ago. The useless Lerner regime allowed him to join Norwich. Lerner was totally pathetic as a custodian of our great club.

How do you know the manager at the time wanted him?

I don't but the management at the time were poor decision makers - and look where the club finds itself as a result.

So the point of saying we allowed him to join Norwich was er, pointless.

As for the past and Lerner, it's gone and so has he, time to move on.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: olaftab on June 22, 2016, 09:07:50 PM: Ronaldo was really good when he left Manu.The useless Lerner regime allowed him to join Real Madrid. Lerner was totally pathetic as a custodian of our great club.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: paul_e on June 22, 2016, 09:13:52 PM: Not as bad as doug who allowed a very young Messi to join the barcelona academy without even trying to steal in for him!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 22, 2016, 09:26:56 PM: More disappointing when you consider Doug taught him a kick where he has his back to goal and in a bicycle motion, strikes the ball in mid air into the net as it is crossed in. Barcelona's gain was very much our loss. Emeritus OUT
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 22, 2016, 09:27:45 PM: I blame Lerner for us letting Platt leave.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on June 22, 2016, 09:40:49 PM: I see the Ravell Morrison link seems to have resurfaced. I blame Lerner for that too.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: N'Zimidy on June 22, 2016, 09:42:47 PM: Robbie Brady's value might just have bumped up.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KRS on June 22, 2016, 09:49:37 PM: Hendrick and Brady would be good additions for the Championship...and Long would run riot if he could be persuaded to drop down for a season.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 22, 2016, 09:53:18 PM: Get Brady in.

Him and Amavi would be fantastic left hand side in the championship.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on June 22, 2016, 10:07:33 PM: Quote from: KRS on June 22, 2016, 09:49:37 PM
Hendrick and Brady would be good additions for the Championship...and Long would run riot if he could be persuaded to drop down for a season.
We always make Shane Long look world class. Maybe if he played for us, he'd bang in 30 goals a season.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Duncan Shaw on June 22, 2016, 10:08:10 PM: I suspect Brady has a) Just put another couple of million on his fee and b) got a move back to the Prem.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: LeeB on June 22, 2016, 10:08:18 PM: Quote from: russon on June 22, 2016, 05:27:49 PM
Just bumped into Emile Heskey at Glasgow Central station. Can confirm he remains unattached and is available. Ludicrously I asked 'why not come back to the Villa' yet throughout his career with us I gave him nothing but pelters, so fickle us Villa fans (@DOL)

Did he fall over, and is he now out for two months?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on June 22, 2016, 10:10:38 PM: Quote from: Duncan Shaw on June 22, 2016, 10:08:10 PM
I suspect Brady has a) Just put another couple of million on his fee and b) got a move back to the Prem.
It's okay because we're still a Premier League club. We're just having a gap year to go travelling...to Huddersfield.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Gregorys Boy on June 23, 2016, 03:33:40 AM: Quote from: KRS on June 22, 2016, 09:49:37 PM
Hendrick and Brady would be good additions for the Championship...and Long would run riot if he could be persuaded to drop down for a season.

Unlikely with Long, but yeah think we should have a go anyway. Him and Ruddy should make for a good pairing. Add a decent supply line from out wide and get the balance right at the back then we could be in business. But I guess those are big ifs...
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 23, 2016, 03:38:42 AM: Long ?
Call me old fashioned but I prefer strikers that score goals.
He dosent except against us.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KRS on June 23, 2016, 05:07:50 AM: Yeah he's never been prolific (averages 1 in 4) but he would work hard for the team and I think he would score a decent amount in the Championship particularly in a good partnership up front. I don't think he's PL standard, but I doubt he'd drop down a division anyway...and for the price Southampton would want for him I'm sure we could get someone better for the money.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on June 23, 2016, 06:28:44 AM: Long scored 20 the last time he was down in the Championship, and he got into double figures in the league last season for a team who qualified for Europe, one behind Pelle and Mane, their co-top scorers, so I'm not sure why people see him as willing to even fathom dropping all the way down to the division below.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave Cooper please on June 23, 2016, 10:41:17 AM: Just saw a Twitter rumour that Burnley want Westwood.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: villasjf on June 23, 2016, 11:00:21 AM: The story is in The Express and Star together with a rumour that sinclair may be off to Celtic.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: in exile on June 23, 2016, 11:28:23 AM: The Westwood thing is old news
Quote from: in exile on June 04, 2016, 12:50:27 PM
I'm sure Burnley were interested in Westwood
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave Cooper please on June 23, 2016, 12:07:51 PM: You expect me to actually read other peoples's posts. No time for that sort of thing.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Hookeysmith on June 23, 2016, 12:45:16 PM: I'm heading North and can drop both off

Really would either of them be missed at all?
Westwood I had high hopes for but a succession of managers have picked him yet he just does not deliver
Sinclair - has there ever been a more anonymous footballer
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Axl Rose on June 23, 2016, 12:53:40 PM: Quote from: Hookeysmith on June 23, 2016, 12:45:16 PM
I'm heading North and can drop both off

Really would either of them be missed at all?
Westwood I had high hopes for but a succession of managers have picked him yet he just does not deliver
Sinclair - has there ever been a more anonymous footballer

Both dreadful players. Good riddance
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on June 23, 2016, 12:54:59 PM: Sinclair no but Westwood I'd keep.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Chris Jameson on June 23, 2016, 01:34:25 PM: Quote from: LeeB on June 22, 2016, 10:08:18 PM
Quote from: russon on June 22, 2016, 05:27:49 PM
Just bumped into Emile Heskey at Glasgow Central station. Can confirm he remains unattached and is available. Ludicrously I asked 'why not come back to the Villa' yet throughout his career with us I gave him nothing but pelters, so fickle us Villa fans (@DOL)

Did he fall over, and is he now out for two months?

Bet he missed his train.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: john e on June 23, 2016, 01:42:12 PM: Quote from: Newby on June 22, 2016, 09:40:49 PM
I see the Ravell Morrison link seems to have resurfaced. I blame Lerner for that too.

Morrison and Grealish now there's a partnership that would have a big impact,
unfortunately not on the football pitch
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on June 23, 2016, 02:17:29 PM: I reckon Westwood is perfect for the Championship.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: darren woolley on June 23, 2016, 02:57:36 PM: I would be over the moon if we could sign Shane Long good player.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on June 23, 2016, 03:41:24 PM: why on earth would Shane Long drop down a division after a 12m (i think?) move and a succesful season at Southampton? :o

come on people
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Chris Jameson on June 23, 2016, 03:51:06 PM: Has somebody seriously suggested Shane Long would drop down a division?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 23, 2016, 03:55:37 PM: He's one of those players we should target a year from now all being well.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KRS on June 23, 2016, 03:56:31 PM: No. I suggested he would be an ideal signing for a Championship campaign along with the likes of Brady and Hendrick but he would be unlikely to drop down a division. Also his price tag and wages would be unrealistic.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on June 23, 2016, 05:02:59 PM: Quote from: peter w on June 23, 2016, 12:54:59 PM
Sinclair no but Westwood I'd keep.

As what?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: john e on June 23, 2016, 05:49:10 PM: Quote from: Chris Jameson on June 23, 2016, 03:51:06 PM
Has somebody seriously suggested Shane Long would drop down a division?

we've only made one signing bud, Elphick
and he dropped down a division, couldn't wait to come and play for the mighty Aston Villa

in his press conference he was reported to say ' I don't give a shit about the premier league when it comes to joining the Villa, I would drop down to the Evo-Stik northern to play for them and every other premiership player has told me they would do the same'
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on June 23, 2016, 06:07:09 PM: Quote from: aj2k77 on June 23, 2016, 05:02:59 PM
Quote from: peter w on June 23, 2016, 12:54:59 PM
Sinclair no but Westwood I'd keep.

As what?
A tour guide. His particularly speciality being to point out where the lavs are should any tourists ask.

Actually to be fair I think Westwood is a decent lad and he's good enough as a squad player in the championship. By all means cash in if we get a good bid, but unlike some I wouldn't be actively looking to shift him like say Richards, Gabby or Lescott who absolutely have to go. I think with a bit more guidance and a more inspiring atmosphere within the club, on and off the pitch, he'll step up his game.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 24, 2016, 12:49:26 PM: Something not adding up here, we've turned down £2m for Sinclair, who if we hold onto we'll be paying 60k / week...!!
He didn't look like the cornerstone of a promotion challenge to me.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on June 24, 2016, 12:56:12 PM: Quote from: Clark W Griswold on June 24, 2016, 12:49:26 PM
Something not adding up here, we've turned down £2m for Sinclair, who if we hold onto we'll be paying 60k / week...!!
He didn't look like the cornerstone of a promotion challenge to me.

Where are you getting £60,000 per week from?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 24, 2016, 01:09:29 PM: Quote from: Dave on June 24, 2016, 12:56:12 PM
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on June 24, 2016, 12:49:26 PM
Something not adding up here, we've turned down £2m for Sinclair, who if we hold onto we'll be paying 60k / week...!!
He didn't look like the cornerstone of a promotion challenge to me.

Where are you getting £60,000 per week from?

Some report in the Birmingham Mail so there is a fair chance it's horseshit I suppose, but on the other hand we bought him from Man City and for peanuts so it's possibly true.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 24, 2016, 01:12:32 PM: Correction, Daily mail, but equally shite of course.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on June 24, 2016, 03:21:20 PM: £60k p/w :D I know we've been stupid but not that stupid.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on June 24, 2016, 03:36:10 PM: Quote from: aj2k77 on June 24, 2016, 03:21:20 PM
£60k p/w :D I know we've been stupid but not that stupid.

Agbonlahor and N'Zogbia on a combined wage of £120k+ p/w?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Diablo on June 24, 2016, 03:36:43 PM: Quote from: aj2k77 on June 24, 2016, 03:21:20 PM
£60k p/w :D I know we've been stupid but not that stupid.

Never under estimate the frightening power of stupidity
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on June 24, 2016, 03:56:38 PM: Gabby is our clown prince and Nzog was signed for bucket loads and was though of as a decent signing at the time.

Sinclair had sat on a bench for a few years, apart from pissing the Boggies around a bit. We signed him for £2m quid.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Nastylee on June 24, 2016, 05:18:42 PM: There is no way Sinclair gets 60k. I actually think he would be a key player in the championship and I'm glad we're holding firm. Too many times we give players away and I think £6m is a fair asking price for a striker.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Mister E on June 24, 2016, 05:21:19 PM: Quote from: aj2k77 on June 24, 2016, 03:56:38 PM
Gabby is our clown prince and Nzog was signed for bucket loads and was though of as a decent signing at the time
That may have been your view of NZog at the time; it certainly wasn't mine ....
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Damo70 on June 24, 2016, 05:30:20 PM: Quote from: Nastylee on June 24, 2016, 05:18:42 PM
There is no way Sinclair gets 60k. I actually think he would be a key player in the championship and I'm glad we're holding firm. Too many times we give players away and I think £6m is a fair asking price for a striker.

Based on his performances in the championship for Swansea (admittedly a few years back) Sinclair is one of the players I would rather keep.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on June 24, 2016, 05:37:37 PM: Quote from: Mister E on June 24, 2016, 05:21:19 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on June 24, 2016, 03:56:38 PM
Gabby is our clown prince and Nzog was signed for bucket loads and was though of as a decent signing at the time
That may have been your view of NZog at the time; it certainly wasn't mine ....

Quite a few thought he was a decent signing at the time in fairness. I hadn't seen a lot of him but he was dreadful.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on June 24, 2016, 07:24:10 PM: When we consider new players I hope we get ones with nice, simple common names. It always takes me at least three attempts to write N'Zogbia's name correctly. Also names predictive spelling does not get its knickers in a twist about. I have spent all day on Off Topic attacking Nigel Garage. Nice ordinary names. Green would be a good one.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on June 24, 2016, 07:37:32 PM: How about Reza Ghoochannejhad, Brian?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on June 24, 2016, 09:20:42 PM: Quote from: TheMalandro on June 24, 2016, 07:37:32 PM
How about Reza Ghoochannejhad, Brian?

Or Eider Hadzimemedovic? (Thank you championship manager 01-02!)
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Rudy65 on June 24, 2016, 09:37:03 PM: Quote from: Nastylee on June 24, 2016, 05:18:42 PM
There is no way Sinclair gets 60k. I actually think he would be a key player in the championship and I'm glad we're holding firm. Too many times we give players away and I think £6m is a fair asking price for a striker.

Having watched him closely in the last game aginst the Geordies I can safely say that anything above £100k as a transfer fee would be too much. Awful player. Bet he doesn't enjoy playing football. Stealing a living
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Nastylee on June 24, 2016, 10:10:17 PM: Yet under Sherwood he was one of the better performers and there were plenty on here pleased when his loan became permanent. I don't think too much can be read into performances under Black.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 24, 2016, 11:15:22 PM: Been linked with Chris Gunter.

Would be in the Elphick mode, good attitude and dependable on the pitch. We're being linked to a few Reading players probably down to Clarke being here.

Also linked to Kane Hemmings who plays for Dundee...pretty sure he was at Tamworth a few years back?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on June 25, 2016, 12:12:29 AM: Quote from: SoccerHQ on June 24, 2016, 11:15:22 PM
Been linked with Chris Gunter.

Would be in the Elphick mode, good attitude and dependable on the pitch. We're being linked to a few Reading players probably down to Clarke being here.

Also linked to Kane Hemmings who plays for Dundee...pretty sure he was at Tamworth a few years back?

As a fan of Welsh football, I think a move for Gunter would be a decent one. Got a big move to Spurs when he was young, but didn't quite work out for him and he somewhat had to rebuild his career. Still only 26 I think. Was excellent in the qualifying campaign for Wales and has done well in the tournament so far.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt C on June 25, 2016, 01:32:56 AM: Not that you can entirely judge him on the Euros but what I've seen of him playing for Wales he's looked solid. As long as he's better than the last fullback we signed from Reading.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: villasjf on June 25, 2016, 09:58:15 AM: According to The Express and Star we have turned down a bid from Celtic of £1m for Sinclair and unbelievable Crespo is still on our books.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Des Little on June 25, 2016, 01:41:19 PM: Have I just dreamt Burnley about to offer £6M for Westwood?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Diablo on June 25, 2016, 02:47:19 PM: Quote from: Des Little on June 25, 2016, 01:41:19 PM
Have I just dreamt Burnley about to offer £6M for Westwood?

Reportedly on £40,000 a week and unsurprisingly his wages may be a stumbling block to any deal going through. £40,000 a week?!!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: in exile on June 25, 2016, 03:01:49 PM: Quote from: villasjf on June 25, 2016, 09:58:15 AM
According to The Express and Star we have turned down a bid from Celtic of £1m for Sinclair and unbelievable Crespo is still on our books.
It was £2m in the week
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: CJ on June 25, 2016, 05:56:58 PM: According to that list in The Star I posted elsewhere, Sinclair's on £35k a week and Westwood's on £30k
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on June 25, 2016, 07:51:21 PM: Yellow card Mr Malandro. Goochie is a cricketer. I have heard Botham refer to him a number of times.

Yellow card Mr Newby. That is not a person. The surname is an opticians test card reading left to right, top to bottom.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: wittonwarrior on June 25, 2016, 08:09:52 PM: Even if we moved on the gang of 5 undesirables - we then have to deal with the likes of Sinclair and Westwood.

Sinclair would in my opinion still struggle at the level we will be playing this season. Westwood might and I say might actually find his feet at this level.

As for players in - some of the NI players worth looking at, but plenty lower down the leagues who could do a job. Quite obviously from the dross we have brought in recently the scouting programme needs a full review.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on June 25, 2016, 10:45:18 PM: Anyone take Steven Davis back? If he were to become surplus at Southampton and was ready to drop down a level (he's getting to that age). I think he's exactly the sort of player we need. Reliable, combative and has a bit of quality. He's a solid player and would also be a positive influence in the dressing room.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Grande Pablo on June 25, 2016, 10:51:51 PM: Quote from: supertom on June 25, 2016, 10:45:18 PM
Anyone take Steven Davis back? If he were to become surplus at Southampton and was ready to drop down a level (he's getting to that age). I think he's exactly the sort of player we need. Reliable, combative and has a bit of quality. He's a solid player and would also be a positive influence in the dressing room.

He extended his contract last week, so he'll be an old man if was ever to happen.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 25, 2016, 10:59:16 PM: I mean the talk of Steven Davis and Shane Long just isn't going to happen.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on June 26, 2016, 12:02:53 AM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 25, 2016, 10:59:16 PM
I mean the talk of Steven Davis and Shane Long just isn't going to happen.

Which in itself is quite a depressing thought!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: frank black on June 26, 2016, 08:30:32 AM: Dwight Gayle £10 mil?!! If that's the case we should be selling Ayew for £20 mil.

Good god the world of football has gone mad.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 26, 2016, 09:41:25 AM: I see there's a link with McCormack today, I'm really not too keen on that idea.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on June 26, 2016, 09:46:38 AM: I reckons we will see some German based players coming in as they are more affordable than UK based players. But we will have to wait and see due changes to exchange rate from impact of brexit.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Stirchley Villain on June 26, 2016, 10:31:53 AM: Quote from: tomd2103 on June 26, 2016, 12:02:53 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 25, 2016, 10:59:16 PM
I mean the talk of Steven Davis and Shane Long just isn't going to happen.

Which in itself is quite a depressing thought!

It's been 5 years since those deals might have happened.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brontebilly on June 26, 2016, 12:00:33 PM: Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on June 26, 2016, 09:46:38 AM
I reckons we will see some German based players coming in as they are more affordable than UK based players. But we will have to wait and see due changes to exchange rate from impact of brexit.

UK based players will be attractive price wise for European clubs after brexit

witness Fabregas' warning - http://www.espnfc.com/english-premier-league/story/2902089/cesc-fabregas-says-brexit-is-a-mistake-and-damaging-for-the-premier-league

good job the TV deal with premier league clubs was signed before the brexit vote....

Those in our squad that may be interesting Euro clubs became a lot more attractive price wise this week too
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on June 26, 2016, 12:11:16 PM: I'd have voted Out if I had realised it made someone signing Onegoalayear more likely!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on June 26, 2016, 01:14:47 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 26, 2016, 09:41:25 AM
I see there's a link with McCormack today, I'm really not too keen on that idea.

can score goals at this level no doubt, but he'll be 30 in August. not sure where the value in spending 10m odd on him is
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: OCD on June 26, 2016, 01:18:21 PM: The owner may be prepared to throw £10m at a player if it gets us promoted. I don't think Xia is going to be one to mess around.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KRS on June 26, 2016, 02:15:42 PM: I don't know much about Ross McCormack but he's scored 17 and 21 goals in the last 2 seasons respectively for Fulham. The simple formula of scoring goals and not conceding at the other end is what will get us out of the Championship sooner rather than later so not such a bad suggestion.

edit: McCormack was the second highest goalscorer last season and joint fourth highest for assists.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Chris Smith on June 26, 2016, 02:44:29 PM: Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on June 26, 2016, 01:14:47 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 26, 2016, 09:41:25 AM
I see there's a link with McCormack today, I'm really not too keen on that idea.

can score goals at this level no doubt, but he'll be 30 in August. not sure where the value in spending 10m odd on him is

If he scores the goals that get us promoted then the subsequent Sky money we receive would make it a bargain.

I don't know enough about him to say whether he is the right man or not but I don't think we should shy away from spending those amounts if that is what the manager wants.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: spangley1812 on June 26, 2016, 02:51:43 PM: If we could keep Ayew and pair him with McCormack we could score loads and loads with the right service
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: OCD on June 26, 2016, 07:10:03 PM: Obviously any single piece of speculation should be taken with a pinch of salt. However, I do find it interesting when the same names keep cropping up with no obvious reason. Both McCormack and Robbie Brady's names keep cropping up.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: N'ZMAV on June 26, 2016, 07:11:04 PM: Brady is comfortably a Premier League player.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on June 26, 2016, 07:22:05 PM: Brady will stay in the premiership. Way too good for Norwich.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 26, 2016, 07:28:26 PM: Yep Brady has real quality about him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: OCD on June 26, 2016, 07:50:39 PM: Hypothetical question for you all -

You're a professional footballer capable of playing in the Premier League. There are 2 clubs interested in signing you - Burnley and Villa. Considering it only in terms of a career move, would you go for the small club that is Premier League but could go straight down again or the big club that is Championship and should be looking to get promoted and stay there?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on June 26, 2016, 07:52:44 PM: They'd probably take the short term.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave P on June 26, 2016, 07:57:01 PM: They would think like this: -

If Villa offers more, I'll go to them.
If Burnley offers more, I'll go to them
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on June 26, 2016, 07:57:45 PM: Quote from: Ads on June 26, 2016, 07:52:44 PM
They'd probably take the short term.
Like Elphick has already done? He was already at a premiership club.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KevinGage on June 26, 2016, 07:59:40 PM: Burnley.

Have a good season in the Prem and you'll get better offers than Burnley or Villa.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: spangley1812 on June 26, 2016, 08:02:58 PM: Quote from: GordonCowansisthegreatest on June 26, 2016, 07:57:45 PM
Quote from: Ads on June 26, 2016, 07:52:44 PM
They'd probably take the short term.
Like Elphick has already done? He was already at a premiership club.

At his age he wants to be playing regular football though
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: wittonwarrior on June 26, 2016, 08:12:11 PM: The issue this season is that every premiership club has money and will cloud and disturb the usual formula and easy predicting as to the fortunes of every club including the likes of Burnley, Middlesborough etc.

We will struggle to recruit where there is interest from the premiership.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Stirchley Villain on June 26, 2016, 08:27:33 PM: Quote from: OCD on June 26, 2016, 07:50:39 PM
Hypothetical question for you all -

You're a professional footballer capable of playing in the Premier League. There are 2 clubs interested in signing you - Burnley and Villa. Considering it only in terms of a career move, would you go for the small club that is Premier League but could go straight down again or the big club that is Championship and should be looking to get promoted and stay there?

3 year Prem deal thank you very much.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on June 26, 2016, 08:30:55 PM: Quote from: KRS on June 26, 2016, 02:15:42 PM
I don't know much about Ross McCormack but he's scored 17 and 21 goals in the last 2 seasons respectively for Fulham. The simple formula of scoring goals and not conceding at the other end is what will get us out of the Championship sooner rather than later so not such a bad suggestion.

edit: McCormack was the second highest goalscorer last season and joint fourth highest for assists.

He has got a a decent scoring record over the past few seasons, but he's more of a 'drop off' striker, whereas we need a striker who is going to lead the line and run in behind teams.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on June 26, 2016, 08:54:07 PM: Michael McGovern the northern ireland GK is on a free be intetrested to sign him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 26, 2016, 09:21:40 PM: Quote from: Dave P on June 26, 2016, 07:57:01 PM
They would think like this: -

If Villa offers more, I'll go to them.
If Burnley offers more, I'll go to them
Quote from: KevinGage on June 26, 2016, 07:59:40 PM
Burnley.

Have a good season in the Prem and you'll get better offers than Burnley or Villa.

That's only if you believe that the Aston Villa of the past five years will be the Aston Villa of the future. And that we won't re-establish ourselves in the English game as top football club.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on June 26, 2016, 09:33:13 PM: If we are interested in Brady then I think he'd be a really good buy and make our left side easily the best in the league.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: OCD on June 26, 2016, 10:26:00 PM: I think the argument of taking the Premier deal and looking to move on having proved myself in the Prem is a strong argument, especially for younger players. If the same situation applied and I had a family, I wouldn't want to keep up-rooting them and could easily be swayed by a good case Villa could make about the new 'project' and the owner's ambition.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on June 26, 2016, 10:35:34 PM: Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 26, 2016, 09:21:40 PM
Quote from: Dave P on June 26, 2016, 07:57:01 PM
They would think like this: -

If Villa offers more, I'll go to them.
If Burnley offers more, I'll go to them
Quote from: KevinGage on June 26, 2016, 07:59:40 PM
Burnley.

Have a good season in the Prem and you'll get better offers than Burnley or Villa.

That's only if you believe that the Aston Villa of the past five years will be the Aston Villa of the future. And that we won't re-establish ourselves in the English game as top football club.

Not really. If we offer more money then he'll probably come to us.

If we don't, why is he going to come to "the Aston Villa of the future" when he can earn more money playing in the Premier League?

And if we're that bothered about him signing and we truly are the "Aston Villa of the future", why wouldn't we be offering him more money anyway?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KevinGage on June 26, 2016, 10:59:17 PM: Quote from: OCD on June 26, 2016, 10:26:00 PM
I think the argument of taking the Premier deal and looking to move on having proved myself in the Prem is a strong argument, especially for younger players. If the same situation applied and I had a family, I wouldn't want to keep up-rooting them and could easily be swayed by a good case Villa could make about the new 'project' and the owner's ambition.

To clarify my earlier point, I think a young player who has started to make a bit of a name for himself in the Championship or a lower divsion and gets the offer of Aston Villa 2016 or Burnley, he'll opt for Burnley.

But there might be players plenty good enough for us who are bit-part players in the PL currently and might be attracted at the prospect of a year of opening a can of whoop-ass in the Championship. Dwight Gayle, Connor Wickham or similar.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 26, 2016, 11:50:24 PM: I haven't been following this thread so apologies if mentioned already, but Darren Randolph looks like a good option judging by his ROI performances. Am I right in thinking he's West Ham's second-choice?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on June 27, 2016, 12:12:05 AM: The Scum reporting that we are going to bid £11m or whatever it takes to get Ross McCormack and £2m for Pantillimon(sp).
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on June 27, 2016, 12:15:02 AM: He is
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 27, 2016, 01:40:18 AM: Mane going to Liverpool for £30m is nuts
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 27, 2016, 01:58:42 AM: He's a good player and only 24, but jeeze that's a bit on the pricey side.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: olaftab on June 27, 2016, 02:07:00 AM: They are self made victims of waste. Remember 20million for W*nker Downing followed by 32M for someone they confined to reserves so this deal is right in line.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SheffieldVillain on June 27, 2016, 02:10:50 AM: Quote from: olaftab on June 27, 2016, 02:07:00 AM
They are self made victims of waste. Remember 20million for W*nker Downing followed by 32M for someone they confined to reserves so this deal is right in line.

Not to mention £35m for Andy Carroll...
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on June 27, 2016, 06:57:03 AM: I'd give up if I were a Southampton fan.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sid1964 on June 27, 2016, 07:52:53 AM: So when does the 50% weekly pay cut start for our Superstars of last season

Still no takers for any of them!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: godzvilla on June 27, 2016, 08:44:22 AM: Quote from: Chris Smith on June 26, 2016, 02:44:29 PM
Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on June 26, 2016, 01:14:47 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 26, 2016, 09:41:25 AM
I see there's a link with McCormack today, I'm really not too keen on that idea.

can score goals at this level no doubt, but he'll be 30 in August. not sure where the value in spending 10m odd on him is

If he scores the goals that get us promoted then the subsequent Sky money we receive would make it a bargain.

I don't know enough about him to say whether he is the right man or not but I don't think we should shy away from spending those amounts if that is what the manager wants.

Assombalonga ( injured most of last season ) at Forest, is younger than McCormack by 6 years and is a proven top goalscorer in this division ....................Godzvilla!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VinnieChase84 on June 27, 2016, 09:47:20 AM: Ross McCormack would be a superb signing. In a decent side he would score bucket loads. If we want goals and proven in this league then look no further
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on June 27, 2016, 09:59:02 AM: Quote from: godzvilla on June 27, 2016, 08:44:22 AM
Quote from: Chris Smith on June 26, 2016, 02:44:29 PM
Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on June 26, 2016, 01:14:47 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 26, 2016, 09:41:25 AM
I see there's a link with McCormack today, I'm really not too keen on that idea.

can score goals at this level no doubt, but he'll be 30 in August. not sure where the value in spending 10m odd on him is

If he scores the goals that get us promoted then the subsequent Sky money we receive would make it a bargain.

I don't know enough about him to say whether he is the right man or not but I don't think we should shy away from spending those amounts if that is what the manager wants.

Assombalonga ( injured most of last season ) at Forest, is younger than McCormack by 6 years and is a proven top goalscorer in this division ....................Godzvilla!

And if we cant make up a decent song for him we might as well give up.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on June 27, 2016, 10:38:26 AM: Quote from: Ads on June 27, 2016, 06:57:03 AM
I'd give up if I were a Southampton fan.

Liverpool feeder club
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: MoetVillan on June 27, 2016, 11:16:06 AM: Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on June 27, 2016, 10:38:26 AM
Quote from: Ads on June 27, 2016, 06:57:03 AM
I'd give up if I were a Southampton fan.

Liverpool feeder club

Like we used to appear to be. I think Saints have made some decent money out of 'The Mighty Reds YNWA'. Pretty impressed with the fact they keep selling players, and getting new managers in and all the time improving. Wish that had been the case for us
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on June 27, 2016, 11:22:04 AM: Quote from: OCD on June 26, 2016, 07:50:39 PM
Hypothetical question for you all -

You're a professional footballer capable of playing in the Premier League. There are 2 clubs interested in signing you - Burnley and Villa. Considering it only in terms of a career move, would you go for the small club that is Premier League but could go straight down again or the big club that is Championship and should be looking to get promoted and stay there?

it's not just about that though. The age of the player comes into it. Will he go for the short-term lure of the Premier League or the long-term gamble that Villa are more likely to stay there than Burnley. If older int he tooth the player may go for the one chance of playing in the Premier League. it also depends where the player has come from. He may see the Premier league as his one shot, but also that we are his one shot at playing for a big club.

Lots to be taken into consideration rather than just one club or the other.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: montague on June 27, 2016, 01:03:09 PM: Quote from: PeterWithe on June 27, 2016, 09:59:02 AM
Quote from: godzvilla on June 27, 2016, 08:44:22 AM
Quote from: Chris Smith on June 26, 2016, 02:44:29 PM
Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on June 26, 2016, 01:14:47 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on June 26, 2016, 09:41:25 AM
I see there's a link with McCormack today, I'm really not too keen on that idea.

can score goals at this level no doubt, but he'll be 30 in August. not sure where the value in spending 10m odd on him is

If he scores the goals that get us promoted then the subsequent Sky money we receive would make it a bargain.

I don't know enough about him to say whether he is the right man or not but I don't think we should shy away from spending those amounts if that is what the manager wants.

Assombalonga ( injured most of last season ) at Forest, is younger than McCormack by 6 years and is a proven top goalscorer in this division ....................Godzvilla!

And if we cant make up a decent song for him we might as well give up.

"Theres only one Assambalonga" - simple
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: robbo1874 on June 27, 2016, 01:34:59 PM: Quote from: VinnieChase84 on June 27, 2016, 09:47:20 AM
Ross McCormack would be a superb signing. In a decent side he would score bucket loads. If we want goals and proven in this league then look no further
havent we already got Gestede- bucket load of goals in this league?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: OCD on June 27, 2016, 01:40:05 PM: Quote from: peter w on June 27, 2016, 11:22:04 AM
Quote from: OCD on June 26, 2016, 07:50:39 PM
Hypothetical question for you all -

You're a professional footballer capable of playing in the Premier League. There are 2 clubs interested in signing you - Burnley and Villa. Considering it only in terms of a career move, would you go for the small club that is Premier League but could go straight down again or the big club that is Championship and should be looking to get promoted and stay there?

it's not just about that though. The age of the player comes into it. Will he go for the short-term lure of the Premier League or the long-term gamble that Villa are more likely to stay there than Burnley. If older int he tooth the player may go for the one chance of playing in the Premier League. it also depends where the player has come from. He may see the Premier league as his one shot, but also that we are his one shot at playing for a big club.

Lots to be taken into consideration rather than just one club or the other.

Absolutely. There seemed to be a few people who just thought in terms of Premier League > Championship. My point was to show that while that may be the case sometimes, there would be other times where it wouldn't be.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on June 28, 2016, 08:41:28 AM: July is nearly upon us and Dr Xia has to start backing up his fine words with financial clout if we are going to make some kind of impression in the Championship next season.Di Matteo has to buy and buy well.There has to be players leaving.

The month of July will be very interesting.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Mister E on June 28, 2016, 12:56:38 PM: Quote from: robbo1874 on June 27, 2016, 01:34:59 PM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on June 27, 2016, 09:47:20 AM
Ross McCormack would be a superb signing. In a decent side he would score bucket loads. If we want goals and proven in this league then look no further
havent we already got Gestede- bucket load of goals in this league?
Gestede had one good season in the second tier, if I recall.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: andyh on June 28, 2016, 04:36:38 PM: A number of twitter feeds are reporting that we are negotiating with Marseille over the transfer of Gana. (£7.1m)
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on June 28, 2016, 04:38:15 PM: Sounds like a decent deal for us.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on June 28, 2016, 04:50:58 PM: and how much did we pay for Gana ?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on June 28, 2016, 05:00:05 PM: Anywhere between £7m - £10m depending on which article you want to choose to believe.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: spangley1812 on June 28, 2016, 05:07:11 PM: So we get our money back more or less........Take the deal and lets see who is next out of the door

For me its more important as to who RDM can get out of the door in this early part of the Transfer Window rather than who he can get in
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 28, 2016, 05:15:39 PM: Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on June 28, 2016, 04:50:58 PM
and how much did we pay for Gana ?

£9 million?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 28, 2016, 05:16:33 PM: Villa manager Roberto di Matteo is likely to bring in £500,000 this week from the sale of 29-year-old defender Jose Angel Crespo to PAOK in Greece.

daily mail
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 28, 2016, 05:18:23 PM: Yeltsin Tejeda

another name mentioned we are interested in
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 28, 2016, 06:40:47 PM: Quote from: JUAN PABLO on June 28, 2016, 05:15:39 PM
Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on June 28, 2016, 04:50:58 PM
and how much did we pay for Gana ?

£9 million?

If we paid £9 million for him last year and we get £9 million back this year, we will only have lost about £5 million!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: l_mckay on June 28, 2016, 06:56:13 PM: Looking at Rickie Lambert according to the Birmingham Mail.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: DaveD on June 28, 2016, 07:06:54 PM: Quote from: l_mckay on June 28, 2016, 06:56:13 PM
Looking at Rickie Lambert according to the Birmingham Mail.

Forgotten about him. Wasn't he the one livin la vida loca?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: CJ on June 28, 2016, 07:08:42 PM: I would hope we're looking at better prospects than Lambert - 34, not good enough to get in the Bitters team, and with a recent scoring record comparable to Flabby (3 goals in 36 appearances for Liverpool, 1 in 24 for the Bitters, although a lot of those appearances will have been as sub).
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: The Man With A Stick on June 28, 2016, 07:42:35 PM: Hey, he couldn't be any worse than Lescott. Could he?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: LeeB on June 28, 2016, 07:55:45 PM: Quote from: l_mckay on June 28, 2016, 06:56:13 PM
Looking at Rickie Lambert according to the Birmingham Mail.

I hope we're looking in the way you do when you walk past those cheap clothes shops on New Street, saying to yourself there's no fucking way you'd buy that.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KRS on June 28, 2016, 08:02:00 PM: As long as it doesn't go past looking...may be a bit of finger pointing and laughing but thats as far as it should go.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: eamonn on June 28, 2016, 08:05:55 PM: Didn't he turn us down when his Daddy, Paul Lambert, had a £3m bid accepted by Liverpool?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KRS on June 28, 2016, 08:13:17 PM: Yep I remember him saying something along the lines of wanting to fight for his place at 'The Mighty Reds YNWA'...he failed then has since proved to be a failure at West Brom.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on June 28, 2016, 08:33:22 PM: Lambert is shit, another semi retired footballer.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Des Little on June 28, 2016, 08:53:22 PM: Lambert can bollocks. Turned us down last time. No thanks
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KevinGage on June 28, 2016, 09:36:16 PM: Gana Goaway.

We'll be fine without him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VicMackey on June 29, 2016, 03:51:50 AM: I think we need a nippy winger - how about Matt Phillips at QPR?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ldavfc4eva on June 29, 2016, 07:00:52 AM: Phillips is a good shout, the baggies were rumoured to have bid around £4m for him, decent price for him if so.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on June 29, 2016, 08:48:27 AM: Matt Philips is a good call.

I think Lambert for less than a million would actually be a really good signing. Scored goals for fun at that level and can't be judged on Liverpool and Albion. Also adds a really good experienced leader which we need. Him and McCormack might be a decent pair too if we go 442. Zamora, Kevin Philips etc have still scored regularly in the championship. A bit of experience to help us up makes a lot of sense.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sid1964 on June 29, 2016, 08:52:49 AM: Lambert is now a few years older than when he was scoring goals for fun at the Championship level

The way we are going we could have the oldest team in the Division - Petrov, Lescott, Lambert, Hutton - not sure if any of these guys could play many games week after week in the Championship

Personally, we need to start to clear the decks of the players we don't want first, before adding more to our squad.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on June 29, 2016, 08:55:58 AM: It's a shame Kozak is constantly picking up injuries, I think he'd do great in the Championship.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on June 29, 2016, 08:59:58 AM: Quote from: sid1964 on June 29, 2016, 08:52:49 AM
Lambert is now a few years older than when he was scoring goals for fun at the Championship level

The way we are going we could have the oldest team in the Division - Petrov, Lescott, Lambert, Hutton - not sure if any of these guys could play many games week after week in the Championship

How many of those are likely to be in our first choice team? I'd say probably Hutton and no others.

The likes of Adama, Grealish, Amavi, Veretout, Okore and Gardner doesn't scream "oldest team in the division" to me.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: olaftab on June 29, 2016, 09:03:23 AM: Quote from: VicMackey on June 29, 2016, 03:51:50 AM
I think we need a nippy winger - how about Matt Phillips at QPR?
He is at 25 a good age however not sure why he would want to come this way. He is living in London probably on a good whack being as its QPR.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on June 29, 2016, 10:14:05 AM: The lambert and gayle rumors are just old rehearsed stories the summer as all media know is we are after a striker. So just decieded to gossip these stories. Because old regime we bid for both. I would be underwhelmed if fresh targets weren't being looked at. For me its smells of nothing but rubbish rumor regarding those 2 or at least no intelligence or imagination to suggest villa interested.
The facts: Lambert rejected a £5 million move during a winter window and Gayle bid was rejected by palace last day of transfer window last summer.
Granted there could be interest but have to say at whose suggestion??

Just my consider measured opinion on those
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on June 29, 2016, 10:17:21 AM: Similarly Ross McCormick wants out, has done since the winter window, and seemingly a good fit for Villa and makes the logical sense of Villa needing striker, proven in championship, striker wants out . again this is pure speculation and at £12 million i'm not sure thats happening.Maybe For £8 million but the guy has a contract for another 3 years 2019.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: David_Nab on June 29, 2016, 11:22:33 AM: To be fair to Rickie Lambert Liverpool are his home town club , he had only been there 6 months and Rodgers at time promised him game time ...the latter never happened.

Would be ok in Championship , smart player brings others into game I'd imagine you would paid him with another striker who would be the 20 goal a season type ie McCormak
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Duncan Shaw on June 29, 2016, 11:38:39 AM: Well the rumours this morning are Brady to Leicester, so that ones a gonner for us.
Phillips will go to WBA if he moves, Pulis has been after him for years.
Shame we can;t hang on to Gana, but I think we'll be disappointed that most of our potentially good signings from last summer will jump ship. I can't see Ayew, Amavi or Vertout hanging around. Presumably RDM get his first look at them today, so he'll be wondering what he has done tonight!!!!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on June 29, 2016, 11:47:59 AM: Quote from: Clampy on June 29, 2016, 08:55:58 AM
It's a shame Kozak is constantly picking up injuries, I think he'd do great in the Championship.

I think he is fit now,unless someone is better informed. I agree Clampy he might well come really good in the second tier. So too for that matter
will Gestede if Di Matteo gets us a winger. Like others I think Matt Phillips is a good shout. Why are we not in for Pablo Zabaleta at 2mil. Speaks excellent English and even at his age he still has enough in his engine to vastly inprove our awful defence. Somebody will no doubt mention wages. Well if Xia has 30million to inprove the team that would not be a problem would it?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on June 29, 2016, 12:18:28 PM: Ross McCormack would be perfect. Good scoring record, strong, great at free kicks and a good attitude.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Duncan Shaw on June 29, 2016, 12:48:20 PM: I agree Ron, Zabaleta would be a great buy at that price.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villatillidie25 on June 29, 2016, 01:05:23 PM: but sadly a long way out of our reach these days. Suspect he will go to one of the bigger Italian clubs where his age and waning pace won't be so much of an issue.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on June 29, 2016, 09:34:05 PM: TBAR claiming we've bid for Danny Ings. Hope it's true.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: spangley1812 on June 29, 2016, 09:38:09 PM: Quote from: Newby on June 29, 2016, 09:34:05 PM
TBAR claiming we've bid for Danny Ings. Hope it's true.

Yes, Yes and Yes again.............
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VILLA MOLE on June 29, 2016, 09:39:18 PM: Quote from: spangley1812 on June 29, 2016, 09:38:09 PM
Quote from: Newby on June 29, 2016, 09:34:05 PM
TBAR claiming we've bid for Danny Ings. Hope it's true.

Yes, Yes and Yes again.............

loan ??
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: N'ZMAV on June 29, 2016, 09:39:58 PM: Quote from: Newby on June 29, 2016, 09:34:05 PM
TBAR claiming we've bid for Danny Ings. Hope it's true.
No chance.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on June 29, 2016, 09:41:08 PM: Quote from: Newby on June 29, 2016, 09:34:05 PM
TBAR claiming we've bid for Danny Ings. Hope it's true.

Now they've said it, it'll happen in two years time.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on June 29, 2016, 09:41:28 PM: Quote from: N'ZMAV on June 29, 2016, 09:39:58 PM
Quote from: Newby on June 29, 2016, 09:34:05 PM
TBAR claiming we've bid for Danny Ings. Hope it's true.
No chance.

Why?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: N'ZMAV on June 29, 2016, 09:42:38 PM: Just can't see it.
Obviously I'd love to be wrong. He's a Premier League player. He could get a better move.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 29, 2016, 09:43:47 PM: I can't see, but I'd be happy if true.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on June 29, 2016, 09:45:09 PM: Quote from: N'ZMAV on June 29, 2016, 09:42:38 PM
Just can't see it.
Obviously I'd love to be wrong. He's a Premier League player. He could get a better move.

Tommy Elphick was a premier league player as well. It's possible, he's been out for a long while. I wouldn't class it as a no chance.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VancouverLion on June 29, 2016, 09:46:19 PM: Gayle undergoing a medical at Newcastle, would've been a decent signing for us. Not sure he's worth 10 million quid mind.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KevinGage on June 29, 2016, 09:52:37 PM: Quote from: Newby on June 29, 2016, 09:34:05 PM
TBAR claiming we've bid for Danny Ings. Hope it's true.

Course we have. I'll raid Mrs Gage's life savings (about £150 last time I checked) and put it all on Ings to Villa.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: wozwebs on June 29, 2016, 09:59:49 PM: Twitter: Jordan Ayew: "I'm in no rush to leave Aston Villa (@AVFCOfficial). I am happy to be there though we were relegated."
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on June 29, 2016, 10:01:39 PM: Quote from: wozwebs on June 29, 2016, 09:59:49 PM
Twitter: Jordan Ayew: "I'm in no rush to leave Aston Villa (@AVFCOfficial). I am happy to be there though we were relegated."

Almost Churchillian.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: alan_clarke on June 29, 2016, 10:03:43 PM: Ings was one of Liverpool's best players before he got injured last season.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: spangley1812 on June 29, 2016, 10:07:42 PM: Quote from: alan_clarke on June 29, 2016, 10:03:43 PM
Ings was one of Liverpool's best players before he got injured last season.

Jurgen didnt sign him though and they are well over stocked with strikers with him, Mane and possibly need to sell 2 out of Sturridge, Benteke Origi and Ings
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KRS on June 29, 2016, 10:08:24 PM: I suspect Klopp will be looking to strengthen his forward line so both Ings and Benteke may find themselves surplus to requirements at Liverpool. A lot will depend on what kind of offers Ings would receive from other PL clubs if there is any truth in this rumour.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on June 29, 2016, 10:23:26 PM: Surplus to requirements or not I doubt Ings will be short of Premier league offers.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on June 29, 2016, 10:28:02 PM: Quote from: Clampy on June 29, 2016, 09:41:08 PM
Quote from: Newby on June 29, 2016, 09:34:05 PM
TBAR claiming we've bid for Danny Ings. Hope it's true.

Now they've said it, it'll happen in two years time.

In two years time we'll sign Sam Vokes and they'll claim it was basically the same thing.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on June 29, 2016, 10:32:42 PM: Quote from: PeterWithe on June 29, 2016, 10:01:39 PM
Quote from: wozwebs on June 29, 2016, 09:59:49 PM
Twitter: Jordan Ayew: "I'm in no rush to leave Aston Villa (@AVFCOfficial). I am happy to be there though we were relegated."

Some positivity. Good player, will be great in the Championship.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on June 29, 2016, 11:14:14 PM: Quote from: Newby on June 29, 2016, 10:32:42 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on June 29, 2016, 10:01:39 PM
Quote from: wozwebs on June 29, 2016, 09:59:49 PM
Twitter: Jordan Ayew: "I'm in no rush to leave Aston Villa (@AVFCOfficial). I am happy to be there though we were relegated."

Some positivity. Good player, will be great in the Championship.

Would love it if he stays. He'd be hands down the best player in the division IMO. I could still see the club accepting a good offer though.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: paul_e on June 29, 2016, 11:25:14 PM: I'm not sure why you'd think that, if he wants to stay, we have no immediate need for cash and rdm wants to keep him I'm not sure why anyone would accept an offer. If 1 of those 3 changes then so does the story but right now that tweet suggests he'll still be here next year, which is a massive bonus.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on June 30, 2016, 08:09:30 AM: Quote from: PeterWithe on June 29, 2016, 10:01:39 PM
Quote from: wozwebs on June 29, 2016, 09:59:49 PM
Twitter: Jordan Ayew: "I'm in no rush to leave Aston Villa (@AVFCOfficial). I am happy to be there though we were relegated."

Almost Churchillian.

Well if he says he staying no matter what and then someone decent comes in for him, he's needlessly earned himself an even bigger round of fucks than he'd get anyway.

Sad, but that's the way it is. When you see shit like this you wonder why anyone remotely in the public eye bothers with social media (https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/esp-wimbledon-kevin-anderson-receives-death-threats-social-media-082447290--ten.html) You couldn't pay me enough.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 30, 2016, 08:24:46 AM: It'd be brilliant if Ayew stayed.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on June 30, 2016, 08:29:09 AM: If Ayew stays and plays to the level he can play he along with Gestede could be a formidable pairing in the second tier. That is as long as RDM
brings in Adama or buys a ready made winger who can beat a man at speed and cross a ball accurately.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on June 30, 2016, 08:59:51 AM: That was just a small extract from Ayew's interview - he ended it "For now, I'm still a Villa player. We'll see what God has for me (in next month)."
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: eamonn on June 30, 2016, 09:29:55 AM: But then he can blame God on making him leave.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: in exile on June 30, 2016, 09:45:05 AM: Looks like Guzan could be wanted
http://soccer.nbcsports.com/2016/06/29/rumor-usmnts-guzan-sought-by-premier-league-newboys-middlesbrough/
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on June 30, 2016, 11:19:11 AM: It will be interesting to see what formation RDM fancies and whether we follow the Italian national team by going with 3-5-2.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: andyaston on June 30, 2016, 03:20:33 PM: Quote from: VancouverLion on June 29, 2016, 09:46:19 PM
Gayle undergoing a medical at Newcastle, would've been a decent signing for us. Not sure he's worth 10 million quid mind.
Good he is not very consistant and hardly starts for the amazingly great footballing outfit that is Crystal Palace.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on June 30, 2016, 04:11:25 PM: Not many rumours are there? It's very quiet at the moment.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: in exile on June 30, 2016, 04:19:55 PM: Quote from: TheMalandro on June 30, 2016, 08:59:51 AM
That was just a small extract from Ayew's interview - he ended it "For now, I'm still a Villa player. We'll see what God has for me (in next month)."

http://africanfootball.com/news/632665/Jordan-Ayew-prepared-to-stay-with-Aston-Villa
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: OCD on June 30, 2016, 04:34:29 PM: Quote from: in exile on June 30, 2016, 04:19:55 PM
Quote from: TheMalandro on June 30, 2016, 08:59:51 AM
That was just a small extract from Ayew's interview - he ended it "For now, I'm still a Villa player. We'll see what God has for me (in next month)."

http://africanfootball.com/news/632665/Jordan-Ayew-prepared-to-stay-with-Aston-Villa

“I'm in no rush to leave Aston Villa. I am happy to be there though we were relegated,” Ayew told GHone TV.

“I am happy at Villa and I don’t want to rush. They need me and I want to help them to qualify back to the Premier League.

“I was with the team in the Premiership and I will play with them in the Championship."

That reads a lot better than the abstract did.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on June 30, 2016, 04:43:24 PM: Quote from: OCD on June 30, 2016, 04:34:29 PM
Quote from: in exile on June 30, 2016, 04:19:55 PM
Quote from: TheMalandro on June 30, 2016, 08:59:51 AM
That was just a small extract from Ayew's interview - he ended it "For now, I'm still a Villa player. We'll see what God has for me (in next month)."

http://africanfootball.com/news/632665/Jordan-Ayew-prepared-to-stay-with-Aston-Villa

“I'm in no rush to leave Aston Villa. I am happy to be there though we were relegated,” Ayew told GHone TV.

“I am happy at Villa and I don’t want to rush. They need me and I want to help them to qualify back to the Premier League.

“I was with the team in the Premiership and I will play with them in the Championship."

That reads a lot better than the abstract did.

Ah!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Des Little on June 30, 2016, 04:51:13 PM: Quote from: aj2k77 on June 30, 2016, 04:11:25 PM
Not many rumours are there? It's very quiet at the moment.

Italy, Germany and France are still in the Euros...
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 30, 2016, 04:52:14 PM: Quote from: aj2k77 on June 30, 2016, 04:11:25 PM
Not many rumours are there? It's very quiet at the moment.

I think that's a wise approach though from a new management team to see what they have first. And getting a proven leader in first and allowing Petrov to join in is great also. I'm sure we have irons in the fire to move quickly when needed.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on June 30, 2016, 05:18:50 PM: Somehow TV the image of there being irons in the fire at the club is very satisfying. Kevin Bond sticking one up Gabby's arse appeals no end.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: spangley1812 on June 30, 2016, 05:23:55 PM: Quote from: Toronto Villa on June 30, 2016, 04:52:14 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on June 30, 2016, 04:11:25 PM
Not many rumours are there? It's very quiet at the moment.

I think that's a wise approach though from a new management team to see what they have first. And getting a proven leader in first and allowing Petrov to join in is great also. I'm sure we have irons in the fire to move quickly when needed.

I agree .....I would rather see people leaving 1st i.e Bacuna, Richards, Lescott and Gabby
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 30, 2016, 06:52:03 PM: Quote from: brian green on June 30, 2016, 05:18:50 PM
Somehow TV the image of there being irons in the fire at the club is very satisfying. Kevin Bond sticking one up Gabby's arse appeals no end.

Was also thinking one could be stabbed into Richards' fucking stupid smile Brian.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on June 30, 2016, 06:59:52 PM: Supposed to be after Calumn Wilson.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on June 30, 2016, 07:52:19 PM: Calum Wilson? Erm, why we he drop down a division? I know Bournemouth bought what's his name from wolves, but he's definitely premier league class isn't he?

Would be great to retain ayew - tho not sure if he's a 20 a season man?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on June 30, 2016, 08:14:06 PM: Scored 20 in the Championship and then 7 in the Premier League according to wiki.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on June 30, 2016, 08:16:15 PM: Yeah because he got injured in about November and missed the rest of the season I think?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on June 30, 2016, 08:17:42 PM: There have been a lot of young, pacey (mostly black) strikers coming through the lower leagues in recent years. We should find the next one

It may be assombalonga?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 30, 2016, 08:20:56 PM: Scored 5 in his first 6 PL games and then get crocked early in his 7th game at the end of Sept. His return to the first team was at VP in April, after that he made a few more sub appearances and a couple of starts without scoring.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: johnny from donny on June 30, 2016, 09:47:18 PM: Quote from: Matt Collins on June 30, 2016, 08:17:42 PM
There have been a lot of young, pacey (mostly black) strikers coming through the lower leagues in recent years. We should find the next one

It may be assombalonga?

Why did you feel the need to mention skin colour?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on June 30, 2016, 10:49:08 PM: Bournemouth are up to some strange things. Selling Elphick and Ritchie seems a bit soon. If we could get Wilson it would be the best signing againt Gayle and McCormack. Interesting to see what comes this summer.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on June 30, 2016, 10:52:34 PM: Isn't there a Wilson at Man United that we have recently been linked with on loan? Ings on loan with a view to permanent would be useful.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on June 30, 2016, 10:53:54 PM: Ings had a full season in the Prem and scored goals. Moves to Liverpool and gets picked for England squad(s). Why on earth would he even be tempted to drop down a division now?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: olaftab on June 30, 2016, 11:06:49 PM: Quote from: peter w on June 30, 2016, 10:53:54 PM
Ings had a full season in the Prem and scored goals. Moves to Liverpool and gets picked for England squad(s). Why on earth would he even be tempted to drop down a division now?
May be just may be he wants on be on the pitch week in week out?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on June 30, 2016, 11:10:26 PM: Quote from: johnny from donny on June 30, 2016, 09:47:18 PM
Quote from: Matt Collins on June 30, 2016, 08:17:42 PM
There have been a lot of young, pacey (mostly black) strikers coming through the lower leagues in recent years. We should find the next one

It may be assombalonga?

Why did you feel the need to mention skin colour?

Under advisement, I'm deleting this post. Sorry if I caused any offence. Obviously misjudged. it's a very sensitive area that shouldn't be treated in an offhand way, so I'm sorry about that. I've had a couple of goes at explaining more specifically what I meant, but I suspect it's better to just withdraw the comment!

And if anyone was offended by the 'H' word
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 30, 2016, 11:12:57 PM: Quote from: Matt Collins on June 30, 2016, 11:10:26 PM
Quote from: johnny from donny on June 30, 2016, 09:47:18 PM
Quote from: Matt Collins on June 30, 2016, 08:17:42 PM
There have been a lot of young, pacey (mostly black) strikers coming through the lower leagues in recent years. We should find the next one

It may be assombalonga?

Why did you feel the need to mention skin colour?

It was mostly an observation. But I do actually think that it can be a factor. I think it's fairly well evidenced that at Least some black people have extra athletic ability and pace. I think that can come in handy in forward positions especially

Not that I'd mind a honky if he could offer the same threat

Oh my.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on June 30, 2016, 11:13:30 PM: What the...?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on June 30, 2016, 11:16:28 PM: Quote from: Matt Collins on June 30, 2016, 11:10:26 PM
Quote from: johnny from donny on June 30, 2016, 09:47:18 PM
Quote from: Matt Collins on June 30, 2016, 08:17:42 PM
There have been a lot of young, pacey (mostly black) strikers coming through the lower leagues in recent years. We should find the next one

It may be assombalonga?

Why did you feel the need to mention skin colour?

It was mostly an observation. But I do actually think that it can be a factor. I think it's fairly well evidenced that at Least some black people have extra athletic ability and pace. I think that can come in handy in forward positions especially

Not that I'd mind a honky if he could offer the same threat

I'm positive that you're earnestly posting with the best intentions.

But I get the feeling that you may struggle to get the worms back in your can.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 30, 2016, 11:16:48 PM: Blimey Matt, do yourself a massive favour and delete that post and retract your comments. It's not worth it.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: David_Nab on June 30, 2016, 11:47:58 PM: Bloody hell ....what have a walked into here ...

Wilson could be decent scored loads in Championship only concern is fitness after such a bad injury
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on June 30, 2016, 11:52:43 PM: I really rate Wilson, I think he'd be a terrific signing. Hopefully our new captain can have a word...
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: coreyfeldman on June 30, 2016, 11:55:20 PM: Quote from: Matt Collins on June 30, 2016, 11:10:26 PM
Quote from: johnny from donny on June 30, 2016, 09:47:18 PM
Quote from: Matt Collins on June 30, 2016, 08:17:42 PM
There have been a lot of young, pacey (mostly black) strikers coming through the lower leagues in recent years. We should find the next one

It may be assombalonga?

Why did you feel the need to mention skin colour?

It was mostly an observation. But I do actually think that it can be a factor. I think it's fairly well evidenced that at Least some black people have extra athletic ability and pace. I think that can come in handy in forward positions especially

Not that I'd mind a honky if he could offer the same threat

erm, really? these kind of casually racist comments have absolutely no place anywhere in society
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: OCD on July 01, 2016, 12:22:49 AM: Wilson would be a good (and surprising signing). I thought he was a Coventry fan and previously stated he would never play for us?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: richl on July 01, 2016, 12:47:35 AM: Quote from: Matt Collins on June 30, 2016, 11:10:26 PM
Quote from: johnny from donny on June 30, 2016, 09:47:18 PM
Quote from: Matt Collins on June 30, 2016, 08:17:42 PM
There have been a lot of young, pacey (mostly black) strikers coming through the lower leagues in recent years. We should find the next one

It may be assombalonga?

Why did you feel the need to mention skin colour?

It was mostly an observation. But I do actually think that it can be a factor. I think it's fairly well evidenced that at Least some black people have extra athletic ability and pace. I think that can come in handy in forward positions especially

Not that I'd mind a honky if he could offer the same threat

What a dick.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on July 01, 2016, 12:59:04 AM: Quote from: richl on July 01, 2016, 12:47:35 AM
Quote from: Matt Collins on June 30, 2016, 11:10:26 PM
Quote from: johnny from donny on June 30, 2016, 09:47:18 PM
Quote from: Matt Collins on June 30, 2016, 08:17:42 PM
There have been a lot of young, pacey (mostly black) strikers coming through the lower leagues in recent years. We should find the next one

It may be assombalonga?

Why did you feel the need to mention skin colour?

It was mostly an observation. But I do actually think that it can be a factor. I think it's fairly well evidenced that at Least some black people have extra athletic ability and pace. I think that can come in handy in forward positions especially

Not that I'd mind a honky if he could offer the same threat

What a dick.

A tiny white one.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Axl Rose on July 01, 2016, 01:07:31 AM: Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on July 01, 2016, 12:59:04 AM
Quote from: richl on July 01, 2016, 12:47:35 AM
Quote from: Matt Collins on June 30, 2016, 11:10:26 PM
Quote from: johnny from donny on June 30, 2016, 09:47:18 PM
Quote from: Matt Collins on June 30, 2016, 08:17:42 PM
There have been a lot of young, pacey (mostly black) strikers coming through the lower leagues in recent years. We should find the next one

It may be assombalonga?

Why did you feel the need to mention skin colour?

It was mostly an observation. But I do actually think that it can be a factor. I think it's fairly well evidenced that at Least some black people have extra athletic ability and pace. I think that can come in handy in forward positions especially

Not that I'd mind a honky if he could offer the same threat

What a dick.

A tiny white one.

I'm offended.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: olaftab on July 01, 2016, 03:31:17 AM: Quote from: Chinchilla Bathhouse on June 30, 2016, 11:52:43 PM
I really rate Wilson, I think he'd be a terrific signing. Hopefully our new captain can have a word...
Is he black though?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: olaftab on July 01, 2016, 03:35:07 AM: Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on July 01, 2016, 12:59:04 AM
A tiny white one.
Terrible racial stereotyping even if it is based on any scientific evidence!!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on July 01, 2016, 07:12:50 AM: You'll see I withdrew the post on the previous page - sorry for any offence (slightly longer explanation on previous page)
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Mister E on July 01, 2016, 08:21:06 AM: Quote from: Chinchilla Bathhouse on June 30, 2016, 11:52:43 PM
I really rate Wilson, I think he'd be a terrific signing. Hopefully our new captain can have a word...
Callum Wilson would be a brilliant signing - I'd be amazed if Bournemouth wanted to let him go.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cdward on July 01, 2016, 08:31:40 AM: Quote from: brian green on June 30, 2016, 05:18:50 PM
Somehow TV the image of there being irons in the fire at the club is very satisfying. Kevin Bond sticking one up Gabby's arse appeals no end.

Fire in the hole!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on July 01, 2016, 08:38:38 AM: West Ham will allow keeper Darren Randolph, 29, to leave for about £3m as the Republic of Ireland international wants more regular first-team football. Now him and Michael McGovern on a free would be decent .

Then take Fletcher and robson kanu on a free. Cost effective.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on July 01, 2016, 09:13:08 AM: I'd prefer Randolph to Pantilimon. £3m seems a good price to me.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Gareth on July 01, 2016, 09:17:22 AM: Quote from: footyskillz on July 01, 2016, 08:38:38 AM
West Ham will allow keeper Darren Randolph, 29, to leave for about £3m as the Republic of Ireland international wants more regular first-team football. Now him and Michael McGovern on a free would be decent .

Then take Fletcher and robson kanu on a free. Cost effective.

Never buy on the evidence of a Euro / WC - there will be a reason McGovern played for Hamilton Accies, most pro keepers are good shot stoppers, there are a lot of other attributes that you would want to see by proper scouting....concentration, kicking, positioning etc

Likewise Robson-Kanu, one scuffed shot & running about a lot is not a recommendation.

Fletcher is so soft for a player of his physique, might do a job in the Championship but not sure he offers anything Gestede / Kozak don't.

Randolph did ok at BLose at this level so would be a decent shout although so did Steer so why not back the one we already have?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Richard E on July 01, 2016, 09:19:16 AM: Reports today are that the incoming keeper could be Pierluigi Gollina from Hellas Verona.

I thought he was a referee?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: badluckeric(gates) on July 01, 2016, 09:23:10 AM: Quote from: Richard E on July 01, 2016, 09:19:16 AM
Reports today are that the incoming keeper could be Pierluigi Gollina from Hellas Verona.

I thought he was a referee?
Get him in, a referee could be useful.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on July 01, 2016, 09:27:47 AM: You are confusing him with Pierluigi Goaliner the referee's assistant
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 01, 2016, 09:36:37 AM: Crystal Palace have signed Andros Townsend from Newcastle - that is a big blow to Newcastle.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 01, 2016, 10:48:22 AM: Not if they sign Matt Ritchie
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: villabear on July 01, 2016, 10:52:39 AM: Quote from: Gareth on July 01, 2016, 09:17:22 AM
Quote from: footyskillz on July 01, 2016, 08:38:38 AM
West Ham will allow keeper Darren Randolph, 29, to leave for about £3m as the Republic of Ireland international wants more regular first-team football. Now him and Michael McGovern on a free would be decent .

Then take Fletcher and robson kanu on a free. Cost effective.

Never buy on the evidence of a Euro / WC - there will be a reason McGovern played for Hamilton Accies, most pro keepers are good shot stoppers, there are a lot of other attributes that you would want to see by proper scouting....concentration, kicking, positioning etc

Likewise Robson-Kanu, one scuffed shot & running about a lot is not a recommendation.

Fletcher is so soft for a player of his physique, might do a job in the Championship but not sure he offers anything Gestede / Kozak don't.

Randolph did ok at BLose at this level so would be a decent shout although so did Steer so why not back the one we already have?

Bloser who I know is a box holder at the Sty reckons Randolph was awful for them. He said Maik Taylor was the last decent keeper they've had. Mind you what does he know following that pile of shite?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 01, 2016, 10:56:51 AM: Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on July 01, 2016, 09:36:37 AM
Crystal Palace have signed Andros Townsend from Newcastle - that is a big blow to Newcastle.

yep expect the sissokos etc to go now
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Gregorys Boy on July 01, 2016, 11:01:04 AM: Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on July 01, 2016, 09:36:37 AM
Crystal Palace have signed Andros Townsend from Newcastle - that is a big blow to Newcastle.

Dwight Gayle has gone the other way. I can understand why they would want a striker like him in the Championship, and that is one of their weakest areas. But I agree that losing Townsend is a blow. Guess he just wanted PL football.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on July 01, 2016, 11:32:08 AM: Quote from: villabear on July 01, 2016, 10:52:39 AM
Quote from: Gareth on July 01, 2016, 09:17:22 AM
Quote from: footyskillz on July 01, 2016, 08:38:38 AM
West Ham will allow keeper Darren Randolph, 29, to leave for about £3m as the Republic of Ireland international wants more regular first-team football. Now him and Michael McGovern on a free would be decent .

Then take Fletcher and robson kanu on a free. Cost effective.

Never buy on the evidence of a Euro / WC - there will be a reason McGovern played for Hamilton Accies, most pro keepers are good shot stoppers, there are a lot of other attributes that you would want to see by proper scouting....concentration, kicking, positioning etc

Likewise Robson-Kanu, one scuffed shot & running about a lot is not a recommendation.

Fletcher is so soft for a player of his physique, might do a job in the Championship but not sure he offers anything Gestede / Kozak don't.

Randolph did ok at BLose at this level so would be a decent shout although so did Steer so why not back the one we already have?

Bloser who I know is a box holder at the Sty reckons Randolph was awful for them. He said Maik Taylor was the last decent keeper they've had. Mind you what does he know following that pile of shite?

Obviously not that much seeing as both Hart and Butland have been there since then. When you say he's got a box at the Sty, are you sure it's not a cardboard one outside?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Richard E on July 01, 2016, 11:36:40 AM: Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on July 01, 2016, 09:36:37 AM
Crystal Palace have signed Andros Townsend from Newcastle - that is a big blow to Newcastle.

If I was being facetious I would say it was a big blow to Crystal Palace.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on July 01, 2016, 11:48:36 AM: Quote from: olaftab on June 30, 2016, 11:06:49 PM
Quote from: peter w on June 30, 2016, 10:53:54 PM
Ings had a full season in the Prem and scored goals. Moves to Liverpool and gets picked for England squad(s). Why on earth would he even be tempted to drop down a division now?
May be just may be he wants on be on the pitch week in week out?

And no-one other than a championship club would be in a position to offer him that?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: MoetVillan on July 01, 2016, 12:03:51 PM: Quote from: Gregorys Boy on July 01, 2016, 11:01:04 AM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on July 01, 2016, 09:36:37 AM
Crystal Palace have signed Andros Townsend from Newcastle - that is a big blow to Newcastle.

Dwight Gayle has gone the other way. I can understand why they would want a striker like him in the Championship, and that is one of their weakest areas. But I agree that losing Townsend is a blow. Guess he just wanted PL football.

Usually players prices get inflated by good performances in Euros or World cups. English players that didn't go could expect that effect this summer
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on July 01, 2016, 01:51:39 PM: Well Fletcher's gone to Sheff Wed so that's him off the radar. lambert it is then.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 01, 2016, 02:15:00 PM: Callum Wilson's signed a new deal at Bournemouth.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 01, 2016, 02:59:45 PM: Meanwhile, £10million defender Jordan Amavi has been linked with Southampton in a possible reunion with former his boss Claude Puel. Puel, who brought left-back Amavi into senior football with Nice, is reportedly keen to make the 22-year-old one of his first captures.

www.expressandstar.com/sport/aston-villa-fc
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Walmley_Villa on July 01, 2016, 03:27:15 PM: Quote from: peter w on July 01, 2016, 01:51:39 PM
Well Fletcher's gone to Sheff Wed so that's him off the radar. lambert it is then.

4 year deal at £35k a week apparently! I didn't want him has done nowt in recent years.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 01, 2016, 03:32:40 PM: Bye bye Crespo...thanks for erm...everything

Signed for PAOK
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on July 01, 2016, 03:37:52 PM: He was good in Dr Hook but nothing since really.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: thegreatdane on July 01, 2016, 03:45:15 PM: Quote from: OCD on July 01, 2016, 12:22:49 AM
Wilson would be a good (and surprising signing). I thought he was a Coventry fan and previously stated he would never play for us?

He is, he was in my year at School and hates villa! He is also staying at Bournemouth! 100%
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: RussellC on July 01, 2016, 03:53:59 PM: Quote from: JUAN PABLO on July 01, 2016, 02:59:45 PM
Meanwhile, £10million defender Jordan Amavi has been linked with Southampton in a possible reunion with former his boss Claude Puel. Puel, who brought left-back Amavi into senior football with Nice, is reportedly keen to make the 22-year-old one of his first captures.

www.expressandstar.com/sport/aston-villa-fc

Hopefully any pros that Amavi may see in playing for Puel again will be negated by the idea of working under Eric Black for a second time!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on July 01, 2016, 03:55:32 PM: I imagine Eric Black is marking the new Southampton manager's card and we can expect him trying his luck to get, as well as Amavi, Traore, Green, Hepburn-Murphy, Toner, Lyden even Grealish, who were being protected from playing by Black because they were important for our future.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SteveN on July 01, 2016, 05:31:31 PM: Quote from: brian green on July 01, 2016, 03:55:32 PM
I imagine Eric Black is marking the new Southampton manager's card and we can expect him trying his luck to get, as well as Amavi, Traore, Green, Hepburn-Murphy, Toner, Lyden even Grealish, who were being protected from playing by Black because they were important for our future.
!
Amavi already being linked due to past connection with the new Southampton manager.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on July 01, 2016, 05:40:38 PM: I meant to imply that Black's new boss had already made that move without any prompting.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on July 01, 2016, 06:53:01 PM: It's possible that as Black has had some success with Gabby's weight reducing programme
he might suggest he follows him down there.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on July 01, 2016, 07:59:13 PM: Replacement for Guzan you say?

Anders Lindegaard released by the truck stop mob.

Runs off quickly.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on July 01, 2016, 08:59:33 PM: Robson-Kanu on a free could be a useful squad option. Knows the league, works hard and can play in a number of positions.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on July 01, 2016, 09:23:47 PM: Quote from: supertom on July 01, 2016, 08:59:33 PM
Robson-Kanu on a free could be a useful squad option. Knows the league, works hard and can play in a number of positions.
And I said this before his goal. :)
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Gregorys Boy on July 01, 2016, 10:38:27 PM: Quote from: supertom on July 01, 2016, 09:23:47 PM
Quote from: supertom on July 01, 2016, 08:59:33 PM
Robson-Kanu on a free could be a useful squad option. Knows the league, works hard and can play in a number of positions.
And I said this before his goal. :)

Well done! Was thinking the same but you had the judgement to post it! lol.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on July 01, 2016, 11:06:33 PM: Quote from: Gareth on July 01, 2016, 09:17:22 AM
Quote from: footyskillz on July 01, 2016, 08:38:38 AM
West Ham will allow keeper Darren Randolph, 29, to leave for about £3m as the Republic of Ireland international wants more regular first-team football. Now him and Michael McGovern on a free would be decent .

Then take Fletcher and robson kanu on a free. Cost effective.

Never buy on the evidence of a Euro / WC - there will be a reason McGovern played for Hamilton Accies, most pro keepers are good shot stoppers, there are a lot of other attributes that you would want to see by proper scouting....concentration, kicking, positioning etc

Likewise Robson-Kanu, one scuffed shot & running about a lot is not a recommendation.

Fletcher is so soft for a player of his physique, might do a job in the Championship but not sure he offers anything Gestede / Kozak don't.

Randolph did ok at BLose at this level so would be a decent shout although so did Steer so why not back the one we already have?

I'd take them all especially based on euros or world cup or copa America as then they are provern on world stage and can handle big pressure .

Have another watch of Robson Kanu goal tonight he clearly had skill so you can't hold it against him his scuffed shot the other day (harsh )
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on July 01, 2016, 11:19:30 PM: Quote from: Gregorys Boy on July 01, 2016, 10:38:27 PM
Quote from: supertom on July 01, 2016, 09:23:47 PM
Quote from: supertom on July 01, 2016, 08:59:33 PM
Robson-Kanu on a free could be a useful squad option. Knows the league, works hard and can play in a number of positions.
And I said this before his goal. :)

Well done! Was thinking the same but you had the judgement to post it! lol.

He's scored eight goals in around a hundred games across three seasons for Reading in the Championship and has been released by them.

If we're signing somebody on the basis of a couple of good performances in this tournament let's get Zoltan Gera and Gabor Kiraly as well.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: paul_e on July 01, 2016, 11:23:09 PM: The thing is Robson-Kanu scoring a scuffed effort and a good goal today doesn't make up for the fact that he's a 1 in 7 striker who's best ever season was scoring 7 in in 30. He's 27 and has never looked very good in his career, 2 international goals don't change that fact.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on July 01, 2016, 11:27:46 PM: Quote from: paul_e on July 01, 2016, 11:23:09 PM
The thing is Robson-Kanu scoring a scuffed effort and a good goal today doesn't make up for the fact that he's a 1 in 7 striker who's best ever season was scoring 7 in in 30. He's 27 and has never looked very good in his career, 2 international goals don't change that fact.

Or to put it another way in the month of April 2014 Rudy Gestede, who most would say isn't good enough for us scored two more goals than Robson-Kanu has scored in the last two years in the same division.

Sign him up.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on July 01, 2016, 11:28:09 PM: Dzsudzsák Hungary would be good.
As would Brady and Hoolahan.
Gunnarson has experiences in championship football and sigurdsson defender against England was first class. These guys are all decent and wouldn't say no
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on July 01, 2016, 11:28:34 PM: Quote from: supertom on July 01, 2016, 08:59:33 PM
Robson-Kanu on a free could be a useful squad option. Knows the league, works hard and can play in a number of positions.
Agree !!!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on July 01, 2016, 11:30:31 PM: Quote from: paul_e on July 01, 2016, 11:23:09 PM
The thing is Robson-Kanu scoring a scuffed effort and a good goal today doesn't make up for the fact that he's a 1 in 7 striker who's best ever season was scoring 7 in in 30. He's 27 and has never looked very good in his career, 2 international goals don't change that fact.

If Wales win the euros .... I think it changes things . They can at least get to the final . So not unlikely he wouldn't score a final goal even if don't win! Shows something
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: paul_e on July 01, 2016, 11:32:36 PM: Quote from: footyskillz on July 01, 2016, 11:30:31 PM
Quote from: paul_e on July 01, 2016, 11:23:09 PM
The thing is Robson-Kanu scoring a scuffed effort and a good goal today doesn't make up for the fact that he's a 1 in 7 striker who's best ever season was scoring 7 in in 30. He's 27 and has never looked very good in his career, 2 international goals don't change that fact.

If Wales win the euros .... I think it changes things . They can at least get to the final . So not unlikely he wouldn't score a final goal even if don't win! Shows something

Yes, it shows he's had a good tournament, nothing more.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on July 01, 2016, 11:39:41 PM: Oleg Solenko?

I think if we play 4-3-3 then Robson Kanu is a decent player coming from wide.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on July 01, 2016, 11:50:52 PM: Yes . And that would mean he's progresing.
Robson-Kanu had overcome two serious cruciate ligament injuries when he was 18. And shows his mentality

Robson Kanu also suffered with injuries during his time at reading and had poor management and team around him. At international level he around better players. He's hard-working and does good things. He's always been better around better players and he's already provern .
When reading in prem league - he scored 7 in 13 matches

Under Steve Clarke his career was revitalised! He was the leading player as Reading reached the FA Cup semi final.

His Reading career is one defined by injuries, inconsistency with moments of real quality.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on July 02, 2016, 07:04:53 AM: We can and should be doing much better than Kanu.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave P on July 02, 2016, 07:09:16 AM: If we are going purely on the Euro's, I wouldn't touch Harry Kane, Ronaldo or Lewondowski with a barge pole.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on July 02, 2016, 07:10:02 AM: That Ronaldo doesn't look very good either.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on July 02, 2016, 07:14:06 AM: Quote from: footyskillz on July 01, 2016, 11:50:52 PM
Under Steve Clarke his career was revitalised! He was the leading player as Reading reached the FA Cup semi final.

He scored one league goal that season. In 29 matches. In the Championship. That doesn't shout 'revitalised' to me.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tony scott on July 02, 2016, 07:40:54 AM: I know the window has just opened , I was hoping for more news on incoming players so they can get a full pre season. I also, would be curious to know ,who is negotiating transfers for the club.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 02, 2016, 08:32:20 AM: Signing a player solely on the basis on a good international tournament is not a great idea.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: LeeB on July 02, 2016, 08:35:22 AM: To be fair to Robson-Kanu I think he's played more as a winger throughout his career, so his scoring record kind of reflects that.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aev on July 02, 2016, 08:58:02 AM: Quote from: LeeB on July 02, 2016, 08:35:22 AM
To be fair to Robson-Kanu I think he's played more as a winger throughout his career, so his scoring record kind of reflects that.

I know this may well read as being a bit harsh but that really was a shite Cruyff turn - i think the reason it worked so well was because it was so bad.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: avfcpg on July 02, 2016, 09:21:33 AM: What a waste..thought he would make a top top player...still might.
On the flip side, if he'd had stayed and somehow helped keep us up, we might have the same owner, same clueless board and same half arsed squad. Every cloud...
oops..wrong thread
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: DB on July 02, 2016, 10:13:29 AM: Quote from: paul_e on July 01, 2016, 11:32:36 PM
Quote from: footyskillz on July 01, 2016, 11:30:31 PM
Quote from: paul_e on July 01, 2016, 11:23:09 PM
The thing is Robson-Kanu scoring a scuffed effort and a good goal today doesn't make up for the fact that he's a 1 in 7 striker who's best ever season was scoring 7 in in 30. He's 27 and has never looked very good in his career, 2 international goals don't change that fact.

If Wales win the euros .... I think it changes things . They can at least get to the final . So not unlikely he wouldn't score a final goal even if don't win! Shows something

Yes, it shows he's had a good tournament, nothing more.

A bit like Vlaar in the World Cup. Everyone thought he was best centre half in the world. Good, yes but not great...and injury prone.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on July 02, 2016, 10:27:34 AM: Quote from: LeeB on July 02, 2016, 08:35:22 AM
To be fair to Robson-Kanu I think he's played more as a winger throughout his career, so his scoring record kind of reflects that.

He has been used as a winger more. At club level, I see him as more of a squad player who can cover a few positions. The fact that he is on a free makes the prospect more attractive.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on July 02, 2016, 10:29:43 AM: Might not be looking hard enough on here, but can't see it anywhere. One paper today is saying that we have bid £4.1m for a keeper from Italy (Verona I think).
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on July 02, 2016, 11:01:11 AM: Oh really ? An Italian keeper! That's just coz rdm is an Italian Swiss. I thought only after provern or uk provern players especially after the unsuccessful recruitment of Europeans last season. That says Italian keepers are one of the best around and the chap you've mentioned, having done some research , was at no other than Manchester United. Personally I'd like vorm from spurs on a season long loan but likes of Randolph or McGovern would be nice . Any international pedigree keeper really within reason.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Chris Jameson on July 02, 2016, 11:02:21 AM: Quote from: footyskillz on July 01, 2016, 11:28:09 PM
Dzsudzsák Hungary would be good.
As would Brady and Hoolahan.
Gunnarson has experiences in championship football and sigurdsson defender against England was first class. These guys are all decent and wouldn't say no

How do you know they wouldn't say no?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Gregorys Boy on July 02, 2016, 11:04:00 AM: For the rigt price I think we could do worse than Robson-Kanu but it is a bit risky basing such a thing on a couple of good performances at an International Tourament. Think there are other areas we need to focus on than up front anyway. As a good, hard working pro who may get 8 or 10 goals a season he maybe worth a risk though.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on July 02, 2016, 11:05:00 AM: Quote from: Gregorys Boy on July 02, 2016, 11:04:00 AM
For the rigt price I think we could do worse than Robson-Kanu but it is a bit risky basing such a thing on a couple of good performances at an International Tourament. Think there are other areas we need to focus on than up front anyway. As a good, hard working pro who may get 8 or 10 goals a season he maybe worth a risk though.

He wouldn't cost anything, he's out of contract.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 02, 2016, 11:08:50 AM: Quote from: footyskillz on July 02, 2016, 11:01:11 AM
Oh really ? An Italian keeper! That's just coz rdm is an Italian Swiss. I thought only after provern or uk provern players especially after the unsuccessful recruitment of Europeans last season. That says Italian keepers are one of the best around and the chap you've mentioned, having done some research , was at no other than Manchester United. Personally I'd like vorm from spurs on a season long loan but likes of Randolph or McGovern would be nice . Any international pedigree keeper really within reason.

Randolph and McGovern who have spent their careers muddling around in Scotland or the lower leagues. Don't let a couple of good shot stopping performances fool you, they're not good enough long term.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on July 02, 2016, 11:10:44 AM: Quote from: Chris Jameson on July 02, 2016, 11:02:21 AM
Quote from: footyskillz on July 01, 2016, 11:28:09 PM
Dzsudzsák Hungary would be good.
As would Brady and Hoolahan.
Gunnarson has experiences in championship football and sigurdsson defender against England was first class. These guys are all decent and wouldn't say no

How do you know they wouldn't say no?

It's a turn of phrase no ? I use this one . Basically in suggesting they would be willing or interested like when I've asked a girl out to a bbq for example ! I don't literally know they wouldn't say the word 'no' in fact I don't know haha but I think I've used phase right context . I hope so sorry !
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on July 02, 2016, 11:12:52 AM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 02, 2016, 11:08:50 AM
Quote from: footyskillz on July 02, 2016, 11:01:11 AM
Oh really ? An Italian keeper! That's just coz rdm is an Italian Swiss. I thought only after provern or uk provern players especially after the unsuccessful recruitment of Europeans last season. That says Italian keepers are one of the best around and the chap you've mentioned, having done some research , was at no other than Manchester United. Personally I'd like vorm from spurs on a season long loan but likes of Randolph or McGovern would be nice . Any international pedigree keeper really within reason.

Randolph and McGovern who have spent their careers muddling around in Scotland or the lower leagues. Don't let a couple of good shot stopping performances fool you, they're not good enough long term.

Ahh exactly thats why they would nt say no as it's career progression ! Tell me im using that right ! That they show interest ! I'm sure that's right. Yes this isn't an English lesson
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 02, 2016, 11:24:27 AM: I'm sure they wouldn't say no, but I wouldn't say no to Villa offering me a contract it doesn't mean they should sign me.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 02, 2016, 11:37:01 AM: Why aren't we signing anyone?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: avfcpg on July 02, 2016, 11:52:08 AM: Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on July 02, 2016, 11:37:01 AM
Why aren't we signing anyone?
Players only got back to training the other day. Expect he wants a good look at them first, even though he probably knows what we need.
Maybe if he has pursuaded the likes Ayew, Amavi, Gana, Vertoute, Gil, Traore, Okore to stay and give it a go for the season, there may not be all that many coming in.....
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on July 02, 2016, 12:00:23 PM: Quote from: Gregorys Boy on July 02, 2016, 11:04:00 AM
For the rigt price I think we could do worse than Robson-Kanu but it is a bit risky basing such a thing on a couple of good performances at an International Tourament. Think there are other areas we need to focus on than up front anyway. As a good, hard working pro who may get 8 or 10 goals a season he maybe worth a risk though.

Why is he magically going to turn from a player who gets three goals per season into a player who gets ten goals per season?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on July 02, 2016, 12:21:24 PM: Talksport were interviewing a Wales player or ex player, I forget which, before the tournament and they were going through a few of the Welsh squad and he said about Robson-Kanu that whilst he doesn't score as many as he should, his work rate and energy was superb. I'd be happy to bring him in on a free. He'd be an ideal sub for a start.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ktvillan on July 02, 2016, 12:45:25 PM: If fans were allowed a referendum on every mooted transfer, voting for Robson-Kanu based on this tournament would be the equivalent of voting to leave the EU based on promises made by Johnson, Gove and Farage. Messi and Ronaldo have managed to look cack in various top level tournaments.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: eddiemunster on July 02, 2016, 12:58:02 PM: So, as of today, we have signed one player (Elphick) and sold one (Crespo). Considering that our first championship game is in 36, yes 36 days time, I for one would hope that the management team would be getting off their collective arses and start shifting players in and out.
Or is it ,God forbid, a case of to the majority "You feckers got us in this mess, and you feckers are gonna have to get us out"?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: in exile on July 02, 2016, 01:01:07 PM: I think it's more a case of RDM and Co looking at them all in the Austrian training camp, than shifting in and out
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: eddiemunster on July 02, 2016, 01:03:17 PM: Quote from: in exile on July 02, 2016, 01:01:07 PM
I think it's more a case of RDM and Co looking at them all in the Austrian training camp, than shifting in and out

I feckin hope so, I truly feckin hope so mate.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: in exile on July 02, 2016, 01:03:30 PM: According to Sky Sports News HQ, Robson-Kanu has had interest from 4 Premier league clubs and China
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on July 02, 2016, 02:59:21 PM: the problem with Kanu is he's mostly bloody crap
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on July 02, 2016, 04:35:39 PM: Clarke will know him well. If we want him, so be it. Ordinary player.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: class-of-82 on July 02, 2016, 05:18:33 PM: If rdm and co are looking at them in a Austrian training camp they should of just given me a ring and I could of told rdm and co that they was shite
Only camp they need is boot camp,boot out the bleeding door
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt C on July 02, 2016, 06:46:15 PM: Looks like we'll be getting a keeper soon then.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: OCD on July 02, 2016, 06:56:04 PM: Guzan won't be reporting to training for a couple of weeks because of his games with the U.S so if they were wanting to see players in training first, they might not be in such a hurry to get a 'keeper. Actually, I suspect they mostly know who they want to keep, sell and bring in but it takes time for deals to happen.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tony Erdington on July 02, 2016, 06:58:00 PM: Quote from: OCD on July 02, 2016, 06:56:04 PM
Guzan won't be reporting to training for a couple of weeks because of his games with the U.S so if they were wanting to see players in training first, they might not be in such a hurry to get a 'keeper. Actually, I suspect they mostly know who they want to keep, sell and bring in but it takes time for deals to happen.

for what use guzan was last season, a cone would be an improvement
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: class-of-82 on July 02, 2016, 07:14:14 PM: Tony erdington
Don't insult cones mate
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 02, 2016, 07:16:24 PM: Robson-Kanu? No.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ldavfc4eva on July 02, 2016, 07:37:38 PM: Be a good start, new keeper and then add more players to the spine of the team, we already have a new defensive leader and possibly a new midfield leader in Stan although he can't play every game.

We need to build up confidence and a commanding keeper is a great start. Will be interesting to see who stays after next weeks training camp and who leaves, can't see us shipping too many out if I'm honest although God knows we need to boot the already mentioned ones out.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on July 02, 2016, 07:43:11 PM: Sheffield Wednesday rumours thingy saying we're in for Wee Barry and Foristieri for £13 million.

Think Bannan is better suited to English football than Gil.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 02, 2016, 07:49:06 PM: £13 million fucking hell.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on July 02, 2016, 07:56:26 PM: If we bought Bannan as part of a £13m deal I'd be hoping the other player was worth £12m of it.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 02, 2016, 08:03:03 PM: Quote from: aj2k77 on July 02, 2016, 07:56:26 PM
If we bought Bannan as part of a £13m deal I'd be hoping the other player ~~was worth £12m of it.~~ is the proper Messi.

Fixed.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: LukeJames on July 02, 2016, 10:04:42 PM: Quote from: in exile on July 02, 2016, 01:03:30 PM
According to Sky Sports News HQ, Robson-Kanu has had interest from 4 Premier league clubs and China

Doubt he'll be able too play for China tbh.....
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: LukeJames on July 02, 2016, 10:06:43 PM: Forestieri I like the look of on the brief highlights I've seen, granted they could probably make even me look good by the amount of air time they give though....

Bannan? naaaaa....
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on July 02, 2016, 11:18:28 PM: Quote from: LukeJames on July 02, 2016, 10:06:43 PM
Forestieri I like the look of on the brief highlights I've seen, granted they could probably make even me look good by the amount of air time they give though....

Bannan? naaaaa....

Just can't see that one happening, especially as we have Grealish playing where he would be.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Gregorys Boy on July 02, 2016, 11:22:00 PM: Quote from: Dave on July 02, 2016, 12:00:23 PM
Quote from: Gregorys Boy on July 02, 2016, 11:04:00 AM
For the rigt price I think we could do worse than Robson-Kanu but it is a bit risky basing such a thing on a couple of good performances at an International Tourament. Think there are other areas we need to focus on than up front anyway. As a good, hard working pro who may get 8 or 10 goals a season he maybe worth a risk though.

Why is he magically going to turn from a player who gets three goals per season into a player who gets ten goals per season?

If we play him in the right position he might. Whatever I think he might be worth a go, but see him as the sort of player who will offer different things than goals.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 03, 2016, 12:00:26 AM: He strikes me as being the sort of player who will bust a gut for Wales but largely anonymous at club level. Because if he was that player at club level as he has shown these past couple of weeks he wouldn't be a free agent today. And he'd probably be playing for a PL side.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: OCD on July 03, 2016, 12:42:58 AM: Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 03, 2016, 12:00:26 AM
He strikes me as being the sort of player who will bust a gut for Wales but largely anonymous at club level. Because if he was that player at club level as he has shown these past couple of weeks he wouldn't be a free agent today. And he'd probably be playing for a PL side.

That could go either way. You might be right but it could also work out that whoever takes the gamble on him and plays him up front rather than out wide benefits. He seems like a Shane Long type to me. Never prolific but works his bollocks off and when you've got someone pressing from the front, it helps the rest of the team.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on July 03, 2016, 01:51:04 AM: We've had a striker whose main attribute wasn't scoring go last but doing other stuff. He was shit but not as shit as Kanu.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: jwarry on July 03, 2016, 08:17:10 AM: Reading fans here are not too fussed he didn't sign a new contract. Tells you all you need to know
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: nigel on July 03, 2016, 09:48:22 AM: If Palace have signed French keeper, how about going for Hennesey?
Decent keeper
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 03, 2016, 11:03:44 AM: I think Hennessey is an awful keeper.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on July 03, 2016, 11:31:06 AM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 03, 2016, 11:03:44 AM
I think Hennessey is an awful keeper.

Agreed. We can do better than him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: OCD on July 03, 2016, 12:22:52 PM: Well he did help us to a win that broke an awful streak last season.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: eamonn on July 03, 2016, 12:22:56 PM: Banana back...fuck sake, in this brave new dawn I want as few reminders of AVFC 2010-2016 as possible.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on July 03, 2016, 12:49:24 PM: I thought Bannan was a much better player than people gave him credit for. I'm not sure i'd have him back for.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Monty on July 03, 2016, 12:52:19 PM: He's done well in the Championship, overall.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: old man villa fan on July 03, 2016, 01:15:58 PM: Quote from: OCD on July 03, 2016, 12:42:58 AM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 03, 2016, 12:00:26 AM
He strikes me as being the sort of player who will bust a gut for Wales but largely anonymous at club level. Because if he was that player at club level as he has shown these past couple of weeks he wouldn't be a free agent today. And he'd probably be playing for a PL side.

That could go either way. You might be right but it could also work out that whoever takes the gamble on him and plays him up front rather than out wide benefits. He seems like a Shane Long type to me. Never prolific but works his bollocks off and when you've got someone pressing from the front, it helps the rest of the team.

My view has always been that you play somebody up front to score goals.

This season, probably more so than before, we are going to need to score goals, if recent history of the division is anything to go by. That means that the guy that leads the line is going to have to be a 20+ goals a season player at this level.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: paul_e on July 03, 2016, 02:40:55 PM: Quote from: old man villa fan on July 03, 2016, 01:15:58 PM
Quote from: OCD on July 03, 2016, 12:42:58 AM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 03, 2016, 12:00:26 AM
He strikes me as being the sort of player who will bust a gut for Wales but largely anonymous at club level. Because if he was that player at club level as he has shown these past couple of weeks he wouldn't be a free agent today. And he'd probably be playing for a PL side.

That could go either way. You might be right but it could also work out that whoever takes the gamble on him and plays him up front rather than out wide benefits. He seems like a Shane Long type to me. Never prolific but works his bollocks off and when you've got someone pressing from the front, it helps the rest of the team.

My view has always been that you play somebody up front to score goals.

This season, probably more so than before, we are going to need to score goals, if recent history of the division is anything to go by. That means that the guy that leads the line is going to have to be a 20+ goals a season player at this level.

To put it as simply as possible I want a strike force that, as a unit, averages at least a goal a game in the league. If that means 4 guys getting 10-12 each then great, if it means 1 getting 30 and the rest getting 5-6 each then that's fine as well. In Gestede and Ayew we have 2 that I would confidently back to get 12-15 each so another player who can deliver similar could be enough to cover the majority of those goals with the extra coming from Green/Davies/Hepburn-Murphy who could all become useful to us in this league. I don't see any way that Robson-Kanu will be that player which puts pressure on any other forwards to score more than I'd expect, I think too many people are judging him entirely on this tournament and would be sorely disappointed by the player who can't hold down a striker spot at Reading.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: MonsXI on July 03, 2016, 03:32:38 PM: I don't think a striker is the most important position we need a winger and a big hard bastard in midfield. I'm confident Ayew/Gestede will score enough goals if they get the service.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: nigel on July 03, 2016, 03:44:46 PM: Quote from: MonsXI on July 03, 2016, 03:32:38 PM
I don't think a striker is the most important position we need a winger and a big hard bastard in midfield. I'm confident Ayew/Gestede will score enough goals if they get the service.

We've been missing that 'hard bastard' in midfield for several seasons. I've said time and again we are way to lightweight in midfield and need an enforcer to help them.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Concrete John on July 03, 2016, 04:25:07 PM: I agree.

Our 'attacking midfield' section of the squad has Sinclair, Grealish, Traore and Gil. Get the balance right with them and we should be able to provide enough bullets.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Gregorys Boy on July 03, 2016, 05:00:47 PM: I agree that we are maybe strongest up front. It is more about the creative areas and being much, much tighter at the back.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Concrete Tom on July 03, 2016, 05:37:54 PM: Forestieri was a fan favourite at Watford (local so I used to go to the Vic before promotion).

There is a reason that he was released by the Pozzos - he was selfish, used to run into blind alleys and used to shoot from anywhere. He was both exciting and infuriating to watch.

I understand that he is more of a team player at Wednesday but I'd want someone we could count on to work hard for the good of the team.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on July 03, 2016, 05:49:28 PM: Quote from: nigel on July 03, 2016, 03:44:46 PM
Quote from: MonsXI on July 03, 2016, 03:32:38 PM
I don't think a striker is the most important position we need a winger and a big hard bastard in midfield. I'm confident Ayew/Gestede will score enough goals if they get the service.

We've been missing that 'hard bastard' in midfield for several seasons. I've said time and again we are way to lightweight in midfield and need an enforcer to help them.

Not so sure those type of players really exist anymore. What we have been lacking is a player who can can sit in midfield, organise things, break up play and keep things ticking over. Pretty much what Barton did for Burnley last season. Westwood, Gana and Sanchez all give the ball away far too often.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on July 03, 2016, 06:11:00 PM: We need more physicality. Gueye isn't bad at closing down, Sanchez is fairly strong, Westwood can pass. And yet together, they are fairly crap. We'd be better with two players in there who have these characteristics rather than this three.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on July 03, 2016, 06:18:21 PM: Quote from: Newby on July 03, 2016, 06:11:00 PM
We need more physicality. Gueye isn't bad at closing down, Sanchez is fairly strong, Westwood can pass. And yet together, they are fairly crap. We'd be better with two players in there who have these characteristics rather than this three.

Agree. I just wonder if next season could finally be the season for Gardner to come good.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: garyshawsknee on July 03, 2016, 06:24:05 PM: It's gonna be a case of now or never with young Gary. Really hope he makes an impact.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Stirchley Villain on July 03, 2016, 06:30:51 PM: Nolan, Barton, Toure, Adams, Dyer, Carrick, Barry. Ball winners exist.we just don't have one.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: paul_e on July 03, 2016, 07:16:22 PM: We don't need some nasty fucker who kicks people, we need athleticism. Delph gave us some which made a difference, before that Sylla gave us some before his technical deficiencies got in the way. Someone in there with a bit of pace in particular would help, even Gana who has a good engine on him, doesn't have any pace over 5-10 yards. A good summer of proper fitness work will help them all as well, Veretout in particular looks like he has the skills if he can get the physical parts of his game up to the level of English football.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Stirchley Villain on July 03, 2016, 07:19:49 PM: So it's Sylla, Gana or Delph then? The Prem here we come.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: paul_e on July 03, 2016, 08:02:57 PM: Quote from: Stirchley Villain on July 03, 2016, 07:19:49 PM
So it's Sylla, Gana or Delph then? The Prem here we come.

If you ignore everything I've written except the names then I guess you could come to that conclusion. We've lacked athleticism in midfield for years, Milner gave us a season of it and we deified him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Gregorys Boy on July 03, 2016, 08:26:03 PM: Well I think we lack both kinds of midfielder player actually. But in such a fast pace league as the Championship the Milner type could come in more useful.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Stirchley Villain on July 03, 2016, 08:32:06 PM: Quote from: Gregorys Boy on July 03, 2016, 08:26:03 PM
Well I think we lack both kinds of midfielder player actually. But in such a fast pace league as the Championship the Milner type could come in more useful.

There no midfielder in our first team I would rush to keep.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 03, 2016, 09:23:07 PM: Wee Barry fuck that. He isn't good enough hence why we sold him can't face seeing those 30 yard Fucking Hollywood balls. I just saw we were in for Matty Phillips?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on July 03, 2016, 11:41:22 PM: Quote from: Gregorys Boy on July 03, 2016, 08:26:03 PM
Well I think we lack both kinds of midfielder player actually. But in such a fast pace league as the Championship the Milner type could come in more useful.

I would really like to see us have two solid central midfielders in front of the back four and provided a solid defensive unit. If that unit is in place, we can then tinker with the four attacking players ahead of them.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on July 03, 2016, 11:48:18 PM: Quote from: Stirchley Villain on July 03, 2016, 08:32:06 PM
Quote from: Gregorys Boy on July 03, 2016, 08:26:03 PM
Well I think we lack both kinds of midfielder player actually. But in such a fast pace league as the Championship the Milner type could come in more useful.

There no midfielder in our first team I would rush to keep.

There's nobody that I'd be devastated to lose.

There's also nobody that I'd be particularly upset about if they were in the team next month.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: nigel on July 04, 2016, 07:38:58 AM: Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on July 03, 2016, 09:23:07 PM
Wee Barry fuck that. He isn't good enough hence why we sold him can't face seeing those 30 yard Fucking Hollywood balls. I just saw we were in for Matty Phillips?

The thing is I think wee Baz would have been good enough in a decent midfield. He was playing in a midfield of featherweights.
He, at least, had the vision to pick out the, so called, Hollywood pass. And he could take a corner that beat the first defender.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cheltenhamlion on July 04, 2016, 08:32:55 AM: Our squad really doesn't need 10 new players to get promoted if you are purely looking at footballing ability. Their attitude needs a huge adjustment though.

Some are too far gone so will need replacing. Others might come good in the right environment.

What we must have by the end of the summer is a senior professional in each department of the pitch who sets the standard for everyone else.

In attitude. In training. On the pitch in adversity. Get those players (and Elphick was a start) and some of those who acted out last season will come along with them.

This does not apply to Gabby and Richards.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 04, 2016, 10:27:28 AM: realistically how many new players do you think we really need - and how many will go?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ger Regan on July 04, 2016, 10:31:19 AM: I know it's still early, but it is a *little* concerning that there's barely been a peep about any other incomings other than elphick. I get that they want to see the squad in action on the training camp, but still.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on July 04, 2016, 10:47:42 AM: Quote from: Ger Regan on July 04, 2016, 10:31:19 AM
I know it's still early, but it is a *little* concerning that there's barely been a peep about any other incomings other than elphick. I get that they want to see the squad in action on the training camp, but still.

I think it is pretty clear that we are going to be bringing in a goalkeeper. I just hope the new management staff haven't fallen into the trap of allowing certain players to start afresh. I would hope someone at the club would have identified a number of players that need to be removed asap.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ger Regan on July 04, 2016, 11:00:38 AM: What's been said in terms of a goalkeeper?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 04, 2016, 11:12:34 AM: Quote from: Ger Regan on July 04, 2016, 11:00:38 AM
What's been said in terms of a goalkeeper?

Supposed to have bid about 4.1M for an Hellas Verona GK. Called something like Pierluigi Gollina.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on July 04, 2016, 11:30:46 AM: Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on July 04, 2016, 11:12:34 AM
Quote from: Ger Regan on July 04, 2016, 11:00:38 AM
What's been said in terms of a goalkeeper?

Supposed to have bid about 4.1M for an Hellas Verona GK. Called something like Pierluigi Gollina.

Also a potential loan deal for Juventus keeper Nicola Leali on loan.

Matty Phillips and a French versatile defender (oh no, not another Crespo!), Frederic Guilbert being linked too.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: eddiemunster on July 04, 2016, 11:43:20 AM: Apparently, Callum Robinson is signing for PNE today.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Diablo on July 04, 2016, 11:45:59 AM: Where is the recent Matt Philips link? I can see us being linked with him in articles from 2012 and 2105 but not recently?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PGW on July 04, 2016, 11:47:51 AM: Quote from: Diablo on July 04, 2016, 11:45:59 AM
Where is the recent Matt Philips link? I can see us being linked with him in articles from 2012 and 2105 but not recently?
He'll be a bit past it in 2105 i'd have thought!!!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Diablo on July 04, 2016, 01:04:41 PM: Quote from: PGW on July 04, 2016, 11:47:51 AM
Quote from: Diablo on July 04, 2016, 11:45:59 AM
Where is the recent Matt Philips link? I can see us being linked with him in articles from 2012 and 2105 but not recently?
He'll be a bit past it in 2105 i'd have thought!!!
Haha! Ooops. If only I did have access to a Back To The Future type article.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 04, 2016, 01:16:01 PM: Quote from: tomd2103 on July 03, 2016, 06:18:21 PM
Quote from: Newby on July 03, 2016, 06:11:00 PM
We need more physicality. Gueye isn't bad at closing down, Sanchez is fairly strong, Westwood can pass. And yet together, they are fairly crap. We'd be better with two players in there who have these characteristics rather than this three.

Agree. I just wonder if next season could finally be the season for Gardner to come good.

Cue the inevitable long term injury break down during pre season
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: darren woolley on July 04, 2016, 01:30:57 PM: I wish would get a move on and sign some more players.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on July 04, 2016, 01:55:39 PM: I agree, but think this squad with decent management and a bit of on pitch leadership should have enough to get decent points in the first few games without too much worry.

More important to get the right ones in. Matt Phillips would be a really good start. Like him a lot. Wonder if Southampton will find much use for Austin next season.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: in exile on July 04, 2016, 01:58:40 PM: I think we can forget Matt Phillips - West Brom have had a bid of £5.5m accepted for him
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: RussellC on July 04, 2016, 02:19:28 PM: http://www.teamtalk.com/news/aston-villa-make-5million-bid-for-reading-midfielder
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 04, 2016, 02:33:21 PM: Quote from: Diablo on July 04, 2016, 11:45:59 AM
Where is the recent Matt Philips link? I can see us being linked with him in articles from 2012 and 2105 but not recently?

It was on twitter last night some qpr forum were saying it
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 04, 2016, 02:37:24 PM: I'm getting more concerned that the usual suspects don't seem to be going anywhere.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: godzvilla on July 04, 2016, 02:45:30 PM: Quote from: mr underhill on July 04, 2016, 02:37:24 PM
I'm getting more concerned that the usual suspects don't seem to be going anywhere.

I wonder will there be any clues as to which of the ´usual suspects´are being jettisoned , when the list of players travelling to Austria this week, is published.....Godzvilla!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 04, 2016, 03:07:58 PM: Quote from: mr underhill on July 04, 2016, 02:37:24 PM
I'm getting more concerned that the usual suspects don't seem to be going anywhere.

Problem is who would want them? Maybe MLS for Lescott but he was garbage
Title: Tshibola?
Post by: thegreatdane on July 04, 2016, 03:24:39 PM: Reported all over social media 5m bid has been made?

Anyone know anything about him?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Richard E on July 04, 2016, 03:25:28 PM: Quote from: RussellC on July 04, 2016, 02:19:28 PM
http://www.teamtalk.com/news/aston-villa-make-5million-bid-for-reading-midfielder

Looks like this one could happen:-

http://www.getreading.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/reading-fc-aaron-tshibola-villa-11565052
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PGW on July 04, 2016, 03:26:21 PM: Who is this Aaron Tishbola from Reading who apparently is on his way to BH for medical/ sign after Reading accepted our $5 bid for the 21 year old.

I've never heard of him!!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Richard E on July 04, 2016, 03:26:32 PM: Quote from: thegreatdane on July 04, 2016, 03:24:39 PM
Reported all over social media 5m bid has been made?

Anyone know anything about him?

His name appears to have anagram potential if he turns out to be no good.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: godzvilla on July 04, 2016, 03:31:33 PM: Quote from: thegreatdane on July 04, 2016, 03:24:39 PM
Reported all over social media 5m bid has been made?

Anyone know anything about him?

From´getreading´, looks like a deal is in the works...............Godzvilla!

" Reading FC have accepted a £5 million bid from Aston Villa for Aaron Tshibola .
The midfielder has now travelled up to the Midlands to discuss personal terms - with a deal expected to be completed this week.
Boss Jaap Stam did not want to lose Tshibola, something he made clear last week when he faced the media at Hogwood Park.
But getreading understands Tshibola has since told the club that he wants to move to Villa Park, forcing Royals to reluctantly accept the offer.
Steve Clarke - who gave Tshibola his Reading debut - is now assistant manager at Aston Villa and is a huge fan of the 21-year-old.
Crystal Palace, Celtic and Norwich City have also been linked with the Madejski Stadium academy product, but Villa look to have won the race ".
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Duncan Shaw on July 04, 2016, 03:45:17 PM: i've just asked my Reading mate........

"You're probably paying about £4m too much" was the reply.

Maybe sour grapes, make of that what you will!!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: RussellC on July 04, 2016, 03:50:07 PM: John Percy and the BM reporting it now too.

Looks a really promising signing and, more than that, hopefully a sign of the type of player we're going after this summer, i.e a young, up-and-coming player but one who's already shown that he's capable of making an impact at this level. My biggest fear was that we were going to carry-on down the same route of giving Premier League has-beens a final payday in the hope that they'd be able to do a job in the Championship (e.g. Steven Fletcher).
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on July 04, 2016, 04:04:58 PM: Quote from: godzvilla on July 04, 2016, 03:31:33 PM
Quote from: thegreatdane on July 04, 2016, 03:24:39 PM
Reported all over social media 5m bid has been made?

Anyone know anything about him?

From´getreading´, looks like a deal is in the works...............Godzvilla!

" Reading FC have accepted a £5 million bid from Aston Villa for Aaron Tshibola .
The midfielder has now travelled up to the Midlands to discuss personal terms - with a deal expected to be completed this week.
Boss Jaap Stam did not want to lose Tshibola, something he made clear last week when he faced the media at Hogwood Park.
But getreading understands Tshibola has since told the club that he wants to move to Villa Park, forcing Royals to reluctantly accept the offer.
Steve Clarke - who gave Tshibola his Reading debut - is now assistant manager at Aston Villa and is a huge fan of the 21-year-old.
Crystal Palace, Celtic and Norwich City have also been linked with the Madejski Stadium academy product, but Villa look to have won the race ".

Sounds like a similar type of player to Gana.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tuscans on July 04, 2016, 04:05:48 PM: Only played 13 games for Reading, apparently injured a lot but quite a few Royals fans were saying he has huge potential so who knows.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: godzvilla on July 04, 2016, 04:19:47 PM: Quote from: tomd2103 on July 04, 2016, 04:04:58 PM
Quote from: godzvilla on July 04, 2016, 03:31:33 PM
Quote from: thegreatdane on July 04, 2016, 03:24:39 PM
Reported all over social media 5m bid has been made?

Anyone know anything about him?

From´getreading´, looks like a deal is in the works...............Godzvilla!

" Reading FC have accepted a £5 million bid from Aston Villa for Aaron Tshibola .
The midfielder has now travelled up to the Midlands to discuss personal terms - with a deal expected to be completed this week.
Boss Jaap Stam did not want to lose Tshibola, something he made clear last week when he faced the media at Hogwood Park.
But getreading understands Tshibola has since told the club that he wants to move to Villa Park, forcing Royals to reluctantly accept the offer.
Steve Clarke - who gave Tshibola his Reading debut - is now assistant manager at Aston Villa and is a huge fan of the 21-year-old.
Crystal Palace, Celtic and Norwich City have also been linked with the Madejski Stadium academy product, but Villa look to have won the race ".

Sounds like a similar type of player to Gana.

More of a defensive central mid-fielder, at 6ft 3 in he could be the ´big unit´we´ve been looking for , ....Godzvilla!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 04, 2016, 04:22:13 PM: Quote from: Duncan Shaw on July 04, 2016, 03:45:17 PM
i've just asked my Reading mate........

"You're probably paying about £4m too much" was the reply.

Maybe sour grapes, make of that what you will!!

absolutely, you would pay £1m for me vand I am 41 and had it
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Concrete John on July 04, 2016, 04:46:09 PM: In the Mail now too:-

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-closing-second-signing-11565222
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 04, 2016, 04:54:13 PM: I see Callum Robinson has joined Preston permanently
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: willenhall villa on July 04, 2016, 05:26:27 PM: Apparently Norwich bid £2m a couple of weeks ago and it was excepted. Not sure what happened after that. Unless Clarke had put the feelers out for RDM?
He's only been back from injury just over a month but is very highly regarded, even if had only made 13 or so appearances for Reading.
Could be the next Tayls. Seems a similar type of player.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Mister E on July 04, 2016, 05:32:05 PM: Quote from: Tuscans on July 04, 2016, 04:05:48 PM
Only played 13 games for Reading, apparently injured a lot but quite a few Royals fans were saying he has huge potential so who knows.
£5m is a big ticket for a young and inexperienced player ....
bit like Traore in terms of financial risk.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 04, 2016, 05:40:23 PM: I suppose if Gana goes for around 7/8 million , this might be the replacement .
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 04, 2016, 05:41:31 PM: I bet it would be 5m if he or we hit certain targets. It will be so much up front and a bunch of clauses including a promotion pay out to Reading.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on July 04, 2016, 05:43:51 PM: Quote from: JUAN PABLO on July 04, 2016, 05:40:23 PM
I suppose if Gana goes for around 7/8 million , this might be the replacement .

6ft 3" it would seem. I have never heard of him I must admit. Yet to score in the league including loans but Steve Clarke must see talent in him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tuscans on July 04, 2016, 05:45:00 PM: Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 04, 2016, 05:41:31 PM
I bet it would be 5m if he or we hit certain targets. It will be so much up front and a bunch of clauses including a promotion pay out to Reading.
Yep, Wyness know's his onions.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on July 04, 2016, 05:51:13 PM: Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 04, 2016, 04:54:13 PM
I see Callum Robinson has joined Preston permanently

Shame really but after his early promise he never improved.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on July 04, 2016, 07:13:59 PM: More Carlton Palmer than Paul Pogba I would think.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ldavfc4eva on July 04, 2016, 08:04:18 PM: Knowing us he will be more Sylla than Palmer, seems a lot to pay but young,English and promising always means way over the odds.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 04, 2016, 08:09:38 PM: £5 million really isn't that much in this market.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on July 04, 2016, 08:12:57 PM: Clarke obviously knows the lad well. In principal he's the type of player we need in midfield. Lets hope he's better than Sylla.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 04, 2016, 08:23:31 PM: Charles N'Zogbia is at Sunderland
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 04, 2016, 08:25:01 PM: Sunderland are fucking mental.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 04, 2016, 08:38:47 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 04, 2016, 08:25:01 PM
Sunderland are fucking mental.

I told you that helicopter was on its way there. Took almost 6 years mind you...
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on July 04, 2016, 08:39:35 PM: Nothing grows in Sunderland He hasn't got the wardrobe for the north east.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on July 04, 2016, 08:41:22 PM: The Reading journo rated him saying that they should build a team around him. They rejected Norwich's bid and said they should only sell if a bid of 6 or 7 mil came in. So, he clearly is rated.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on July 04, 2016, 08:43:43 PM: What I refuse to do this summer is get carried away with anyone we are linked with. There seemed to be a real fervour last year when we were going for up and coming talent, like Veretout, Gueye et al. Interestingly, I recall many thinking Ayew had an edge to him and wasn't flavour of the month. If Tshibola signs, great. If not, oh well. He does look a beast though and the type of player we really could do with.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on July 04, 2016, 08:50:07 PM: What nationality is Tish? Will we lose him for the Africa Cup of Nations?😠
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: eamonn on July 04, 2016, 08:52:34 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 04, 2016, 08:09:38 PM
£5 million really isn't that much in this market.

For a player from another Championship c!ub I imagine it would be one of the bigger fees this summer.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: adrenachrome on July 04, 2016, 08:53:31 PM: Quote from: N'ZMAV on July 04, 2016, 08:23:31 PM
Charles N'Zogbia is at Sunderland

Training with them, apparently.

The Daily Heil:

Quote
N'Zogbia has worked with Sunderland manager Sam Allardyce before, having been at Newcastle United when Allardyce joined the club in 2007.

Allardyce brought N'Zogbia back in from the cold, putting aside speculation that he would depart St. James' Park to hand him a start in his first competitive game. N'Zogbia's form for Newcastle that season would earn him a fresh five-year contract.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: adrenachrome on July 04, 2016, 08:57:55 PM: According to Football League World, of whose credibility I have no idea:

Quote
Aston Villa look set to go head to head with Sunderland for French full back Frederic Guilbert, according to a report in French news outlet France Football.

The French under-21 international could be set for a move to England with his contract set to expire in 2017, however according to reports, it remains unclear whether Villa will move for him now or wait until 2017.

Guilbert currently plays for French side Bordeaux, where he has impressed with a string of fine performances for the former French champions. After beginning his career with Caen, he has worked his way through the ranks to find himself with Jocelyn Gorvennec’s team.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 04, 2016, 08:59:14 PM: Quote from: eamonn on July 04, 2016, 08:52:34 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 04, 2016, 08:09:38 PM
£5 million really isn't that much in this market.

For a player from another Championship c!ub I imagine it would be one of the bigger fees this summer.

Maybe most of them, but I think Villa and Newcastle will be ahead of the pack on that front.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: adrenachrome on July 04, 2016, 09:14:39 PM: Quote from: brian green on July 04, 2016, 08:50:07 PM
What nationality is Tish? Will we lose him for the Africa Cup of Nations?😠

Born in Newham. Cockerknee territory. Played for England Under 18's once in 2013 according to Wiki.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on July 04, 2016, 09:21:11 PM: Quote from: adrenachrome on July 04, 2016, 09:14:39 PM
Quote from: brian green on July 04, 2016, 08:50:07 PM
What nationality is Tish? Will we lose him for the Africa Cup of Nations?😠

Born in Newham. Cockerknee territory. Played for England Under 18's once in 2013 according to Wiki.

Ah. Welsh then.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: curiousorange on July 04, 2016, 09:24:55 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 04, 2016, 08:59:14 PM
Quote from: eamonn on July 04, 2016, 08:52:34 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 04, 2016, 08:09:38 PM
£5 million really isn't that much in this market.

For a player from another Championship c!ub I imagine it would be one of the bigger fees this summer.

Maybe most of them, but I think Villa and Newcastle will be ahead of the pack on that front.

If you believe what you read about the Dogheads' takeover, they'll have enough money to buy the world.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 04, 2016, 09:40:33 PM: Quote from: curiousorange on July 04, 2016, 09:24:55 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 04, 2016, 08:59:14 PM
Quote from: eamonn on July 04, 2016, 08:52:34 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 04, 2016, 08:09:38 PM
£5 million really isn't that much in this market.

For a player from another Championship c!ub I imagine it would be one of the bigger fees this summer.

Maybe most of them, but I think Villa and Newcastle will be ahead of the pack on that front.

If you believe what you read about the Dogheads' takeover, they'll have enough money to buy the world.

It's not like the Wolfs to big themselves up.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: purpletrousers on July 04, 2016, 09:47:41 PM: Quote from: peter w on July 04, 2016, 08:41:22 PM
The Reading journo rated him saying that they should build a team around him. They rejected Norwich's bid and said they should only sell if a bid of 6 or 7 mil came in. So, he clearly is rated.

Message in response to my enquiry from my Bro-in-Law Reading Season tkt holder I saw today:

"Good price for us - excellent prospect and has all the attributes of a modern day midfielder but only played for us 17 times and was injured most of last season - typical you enjoy our hospitality and distract me whilst Clarke nicks one of our stars 😂😂"

& "Happy to be quoted - I did think he would make the very top - too good for villa - £5m keeps our academy going for another 5 years - "

(Ignore the inter-family rivalry villa bashing; I've also been sent a lovely pic of him and my youngest nephew, but that's of slightly less interest to you)

Seems a good move to me, and another positive of a coach with good contacts.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: jwarry on July 04, 2016, 10:25:21 PM: Well my step son and his mates are all Reading ST holders and think we have a steal. They are gutted to see him go and said think Delph but much stronger. That'll do for me!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 04, 2016, 10:28:31 PM: I like the sound of that. Also, it seems almost certain, given the Reading link, that this is a Clarke-inspired signing. That suggests to me that RDM is not afraid to take advice, always a sign of intelligence IMO.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 04, 2016, 10:29:08 PM: Hello Tosh got a Toshiba, hello Tosh got a Toshiba
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on July 04, 2016, 10:49:25 PM: We missed out on deli ali at time but hopefully landed this as seemed similar
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on July 04, 2016, 10:53:39 PM: A real physical presence has been missing in the midfield for a long time. 6 foot 3 is big and with some strength and pace to go with it, he may well prove a good purchase.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on July 04, 2016, 11:10:55 PM: Pantilimon decent enough as GK seemingly intetrested. I see he's a very very tall keeper and had expereince at sundeland and man city. Strange move to Watford cost him euros
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 04, 2016, 11:13:26 PM: Quote from: peter w on July 04, 2016, 09:21:11 PM
Quote from: adrenachrome on July 04, 2016, 09:14:39 PM
Quote from: brian green on July 04, 2016, 08:50:07 PM
What nationality is Tish? Will we lose him for the Africa Cup of Nations?😠

Born in Newham. Cockerknee territory. Played for England Under 18's once in 2013 according to Wiki.

Ah. Welsh then.

Arf!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mattjpa on July 05, 2016, 07:53:53 AM: The new Villa is starting to take shape, I do think the line up starting next season could be completely different to the one finishing next season. For example;

New Keeper (TBC but seems there will def be one)

Hutton Okore Elphick Amavi

Tshibola
Gardner Petrov

Traore Grealish
Ayew
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on July 05, 2016, 07:55:31 AM: No to Gardner and Petrov and I'd like another forward. A goal scorer which Ayew ain't.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on July 05, 2016, 08:10:57 AM: After 4 years away from football, i'd be very surprised if Petrov was in the starting line up.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: OCD on July 05, 2016, 08:14:58 AM: Petrov will sit at the base of the midfield, not box-to-box. I think he'll get his share of games.

Ayew could be a goalscorer with the right supply and given that it's a step down.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: RussellC on July 05, 2016, 08:36:03 AM: Quote from: Clampy on July 05, 2016, 08:10:57 AM
After 4 years away from football, i'd be very surprised if Petrov was in the starting line up.

I've got to be honest, I'll be absolutely amazed if he's even given a contract. He's just turned 37, which is a ripe-old-age for a professional footballer at any level, let alone one who's body will have been through so much in the last few years. The standard of the Championship may not be the same as the Premiership but the pace and physical demand will be just as high, especially for a central midfielder.

As lovely as it is to see him training with the first team, I fear we need to hold-fire on our expectations of a full-on comeback.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 05, 2016, 08:37:03 AM: just having him around as a reminder of the stoicism, fortitude and determination he has shown since his illness, should be a fillip to everyone at the club.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: RussellC on July 05, 2016, 08:45:07 AM: Quote from: mr underhill on July 05, 2016, 08:37:03 AM
just having him around as a reminder of the stoicism, fortitude and determination he has shown since his illness, should be a fillip to everyone at the club.

Completely agree. And whoever's idea it was (and I have a sneaky feeling Sir Brian might have been involved) deserves a hearty pat on the back. We had absolutely nobody in the squad last season to set the benchmark for professionalism. If nothing else, I really hope that they find a role for him on the coaching-staff.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on July 05, 2016, 08:50:13 AM: Quote from: mattjpa on July 05, 2016, 07:53:53 AM
The new Villa is starting to take shape, I do think the line up starting next season could be completely different to the one finishing next season. For example;

New Keeper (TBC but seems there will def be one)

Hutton Okore Elphick Amavi

Tshibola
Gardner Petrov

Traore Grealish
Ayew

I would rather see:

New Keeper

New RB Okore Elphick Amavi

Veretout Tshibola

Traore Grealish Ayew

New Striker
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: eddiemunster on July 05, 2016, 08:59:23 AM: Quote from: tomd2103 on July 05, 2016, 08:50:13 AM
Quote from: mattjpa on July 05, 2016, 07:53:53 AM
The new Villa is starting to take shape, I do think the line up starting next season could be completely different to the one finishing next season. For example;

New Keeper (TBC but seems there will def be one)

Hutton Okore Elphick Amavi

Tshibola
Gardner Petrov

Traore Grealish
Ayew

I would rather see:

New Keeper

New RB Okore Elphick Amavi

Veretout Tshibola

Traore Grealish Ayew

New Striker

Totally agree with this!
Re Petrov, don't know if it's true but was told he's been signed on as part of the coaching staff.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 05, 2016, 09:03:22 AM: I wouldn't like to be relying on Okore, Grealish, Traore and Veretout to deliver the goods next season. I also think Petrov will be more likely on the bench especially to start with and it's possible Amavi and Ayew won't be with us although I certainly hope they are. We also haven't seen much of Gardner yet to form a proper opinion and Whilst I could live with playing Hutton as regular right back a new one might be better. Otherwise, good call :-)
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on July 05, 2016, 09:07:28 AM: It would be worth having Stan as non playing captain, team, not club. His presence in the dressing room would be inspirational. If any player got stroppy Stan could show him the shopping bag of drugs he has to take just to be standing there.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on July 05, 2016, 09:21:35 AM: Quote from: Clark W Griswold on July 05, 2016, 09:03:22 AM
I wouldn't like to be relying on Okore, Grealish, Traore and Veretout to deliver the goods next season. I also think Petrov will be more likely on the bench especially to start with and it's possible Amavi and Ayew won't be with us although I certainly hope they are. We also haven't seen much of Gardner yet to form a proper opinion and Whilst I could live with playing Hutton as regular right back a new one might be better. Otherwise, good call :-)

I hope Okore comes good next season, as I think there is a good player in there. As for the others, I think they will be, if we can establish a strong core of players, the type of players that can be rotated here and there (although I hope Veretout really establishes himself in central midfield as well if he stays).
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mattjpa on July 05, 2016, 09:21:44 AM: I put Stan in there was because last season, when the chips were down there was nobody taking charge. In Elphick we have a captain but Petrov could be a real presence in there. Granted, not every game but if he got 60-70mins and played every 2-3 games I think we would win more points with him in the side.As others have said though, maybe Veretout is the better option for the majority of time over the course of a long season. Re Hutton, I think he is absolutely made for the Championship. Energy, Guile, Workrate and strength. Maybe not the best attacking option but he is an option through sheer endevour. if Richards will concede his attempt to play CB has failed and go back there, I think RB is well covered.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 05, 2016, 09:25:29 AM: Quote from: jwarry on July 04, 2016, 10:25:21 PM
Well my step son and his mates are all Reading ST holders and think we have a steal. They are gutted to see him go and said think Delph but much stronger. That'll do for me!

bit less scaly with a shorter tongue
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: chrisw1 on July 05, 2016, 09:26:57 AM: I certainly don't have a problem with Hutton. Whilst he is no Kyle Walker he has got the heart of a lion and should be good enough for the Championship, particularly if Amavi is providing a marauding threat on the left. There are many positions where we are more in need than this. Of course if a talented young right back becomes available at a good price then absolutely we should snap him up, but if not I think Hutton can do a very decent job for us at this level.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on July 05, 2016, 09:33:09 AM: If Petrov plays for us next season we will struggle like fuck in Midfield again. Lovely bloke, great story, courage in bucket loads but he's finished as a pro footballer.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: godzvilla on July 05, 2016, 09:37:14 AM: Another signing is ´en route´( according to Tuttomercatoweb... http://footballleagueworld.co.uk/aston-villa-set-to-complete-deal-for-former-21-year-old-italian-star/? ).......Godzvilla! .

ASTON VILLA SET TO COMPLETE DEAL FOR 21-YEAR-OLD ITALIAN STAR
Date: 5th July 2016 at 9:15am
Written by: Lee Connor

Aston Villa are set to complete the signing of goalkeeper Pierluigi Gollini, according to Italian news outlet Tuttomercatoweb.

The report claims that the 21-year-old goalkeeper has left Italy and flown to England for talks about a deal set to be worth a reported £5m.

New Villa manager Roberto Di Matteo is keen to add new players to his squad, backed by new owner Tony Xia’s funds, and has identified Gollini as the ideal replacement for Brad Guzan and Mark Bunn.

Gollini has already had a spell in England following his apprenticeship with Manchester United, but failed to make an impression at Old Trafford before being moved on to Verona.

The stopper impressed last season for Verona, where his performances have caught the eye of a number of clubs in Europe. However, it appears Di Matteo will be using his Italian connections to lure Gollini to Villa Park as his squad rebuild continues.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: chrisw1 on July 05, 2016, 09:42:13 AM: Quote from: aj2k77 on July 05, 2016, 09:33:09 AM
If Petrov plays for us next season we will struggle like fuck in Midfield again. Lovely bloke, great story, courage in bucket loads but he's finished as a pro footballer.
You may well be right, but you simply don't have enough information to be that dismissive. Why don't we let Di Matteo make that call after watching him through a full pre-season eh?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 05, 2016, 09:45:29 AM: Bit young to be a first choice keeper

So maybe Bunn / Stead on their way
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: AVH87 on July 05, 2016, 09:49:27 AM: Quote from: godzvilla on July 05, 2016, 09:37:14 AM
Another signing is ´en route´( according to Tuttomercatoweb... http://footballleagueworld.co.uk/aston-villa-set-to-complete-deal-for-former-21-year-old-italian-star/? ).......Godzvilla! .

ASTON VILLA SET TO COMPLETE DEAL FOR 21-YEAR-OLD ITALIAN STAR
Date: 5th July 2016 at 9:15am
Written by: Lee Connor

Aston Villa are set to complete the signing of goalkeeper Pierluigi Gollini, according to Italian news outlet Tuttomercatoweb.

The report claims that the 21-year-old goalkeeper has left Italy and flown to England for talks about a deal set to be worth a reported £5m.

New Villa manager Roberto Di Matteo is keen to add new players to his squad, backed by new owner Tony Xia’s funds, and has identified Gollini as the ideal replacement for Brad Guzan and Mark Bunn.

Gollini has already had a spell in England following his apprenticeship with Manchester United, but failed to make an impression at Old Trafford before being moved on to Verona.

The stopper impressed last season for Verona, where his performances have caught the eye of a number of clubs in Europe. However, it appears Di Matteo will be using his Italian connections to lure Gollini to Villa Park as his squad rebuild continues.

Well found. No reason for the Italian media to make this up, wouldn't be big news there.

He's like our guys in that he's just come off the back of a tough season, Verona were the Villa of Serie A last season, finishing rock bottom.

I think we should be selling two keepers, Guzan and either Bunn or Steer, with the other staying as backup to the new guy.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on July 05, 2016, 09:52:19 AM: Quote from: hoyle87 on July 05, 2016, 09:49:27 AM
Quote from: godzvilla on July 05, 2016, 09:37:14 AM
Another signing is ´en route´( according to Tuttomercatoweb... http://footballleagueworld.co.uk/aston-villa-set-to-complete-deal-for-former-21-year-old-italian-star/? ).......Godzvilla! .

ASTON VILLA SET TO COMPLETE DEAL FOR 21-YEAR-OLD ITALIAN STAR
Date: 5th July 2016 at 9:15am
Written by: Lee Connor

Aston Villa are set to complete the signing of goalkeeper Pierluigi Gollini, according to Italian news outlet Tuttomercatoweb.

The report claims that the 21-year-old goalkeeper has left Italy and flown to England for talks about a deal set to be worth a reported £5m.

New Villa manager Roberto Di Matteo is keen to add new players to his squad, backed by new owner Tony Xia’s funds, and has identified Gollini as the ideal replacement for Brad Guzan and Mark Bunn.

Gollini has already had a spell in England following his apprenticeship with Manchester United, but failed to make an impression at Old Trafford before being moved on to Verona.

The stopper impressed last season for Verona, where his performances have caught the eye of a number of clubs in Europe. However, it appears Di Matteo will be using his Italian connections to lure Gollini to Villa Park as his squad rebuild continues.

Well found. No reason for the Italian media to make this up, wouldn't be big news there.

He's like our guys in that he's just come off the back of a tough season, Verona were the Villa of Serie A last season, finishing rock bottom.

I think we should be selling two keepers, Guzan and either Bunn or Steer, with the other staying as backup to the new guy.

I'd be surprised if a player who has played first team in Serie A (Admittedly relegated) will settle for the bench in the championship.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ger Regan on July 05, 2016, 09:53:22 AM: There's also reports of him being unconvinced about the move. I know nothing about him, but I'd still pick him over pantilimon.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: FatSam on July 05, 2016, 10:04:08 AM: Quote from: Clampy on July 05, 2016, 08:10:57 AM
After 4 years away from football, i'd be very surprised if Petrov was in the starting line up.
Yes. I've always been one of his supporters, and I think it would be great to have him around the squad in some capacity, but it's unlikely that we could rely on the fitness of a 36 year old for a full season - leukaemia or no leukaemia.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: AVH87 on July 05, 2016, 10:10:49 AM: Quote from: TheMalandro on July 05, 2016, 09:52:19 AM
Quote from: hoyle87 on July 05, 2016, 09:49:27 AM
Quote from: godzvilla on July 05, 2016, 09:37:14 AM
Another signing is ´en route´( according to Tuttomercatoweb... http://footballleagueworld.co.uk/aston-villa-set-to-complete-deal-for-former-21-year-old-italian-star/? ).......Godzvilla! .

ASTON VILLA SET TO COMPLETE DEAL FOR 21-YEAR-OLD ITALIAN STAR
Date: 5th July 2016 at 9:15am
Written by: Lee Connor

Aston Villa are set to complete the signing of goalkeeper Pierluigi Gollini, according to Italian news outlet Tuttomercatoweb.

The report claims that the 21-year-old goalkeeper has left Italy and flown to England for talks about a deal set to be worth a reported £5m.

New Villa manager Roberto Di Matteo is keen to add new players to his squad, backed by new owner Tony Xia’s funds, and has identified Gollini as the ideal replacement for Brad Guzan and Mark Bunn.

Gollini has already had a spell in England following his apprenticeship with Manchester United, but failed to make an impression at Old Trafford before being moved on to Verona.

The stopper impressed last season for Verona, where his performances have caught the eye of a number of clubs in Europe. However, it appears Di Matteo will be using his Italian connections to lure Gollini to Villa Park as his squad rebuild continues.

Well found. No reason for the Italian media to make this up, wouldn't be big news there.

He's like our guys in that he's just come off the back of a tough season, Verona were the Villa of Serie A last season, finishing rock bottom.

I think we should be selling two keepers, Guzan and either Bunn or Steer, with the other staying as backup to the new guy.

I'd be surprised if a player who has played first team in Serie A (Admittedly relegated) will settle for the bench in the championship.

'selling Guzan and either Bunn or Steer, with the other staying as backup to the new guy' It is still early to be fair :D
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: RussellC on July 05, 2016, 10:22:51 AM: Quote from: chrisw1 on July 05, 2016, 09:26:57 AM
I certainly don't have a problem with Hutton. Whilst he is no Kyle Walker he has got the heart of a lion and should be good enough for the Championship, particularly if Amavi is providing a marauding threat on the left. There are many positions where we are more in need than this. Of course if a talented young right back becomes available at a good price then absolutely we should snap him up, but if not I think Hutton can do a very decent job for us at this level.

We should be having a look at Carl Jenkinson IMO. Just returned to Arsenal after a loan-spell at West ham (who now have Antonio and Byram competing for their RB spot). Just turned 24 and not going to get a sniff at Arsenal so the time is right for a permanent move. Always looked decent whenever I've seen him play.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: OCD on July 05, 2016, 10:32:19 AM: Quote from: RussellC on July 05, 2016, 10:22:51 AM
Quote from: chrisw1 on July 05, 2016, 09:26:57 AM
I certainly don't have a problem with Hutton. Whilst he is no Kyle Walker he has got the heart of a lion and should be good enough for the Championship, particularly if Amavi is providing a marauding threat on the left. There are many positions where we are more in need than this. Of course if a talented young right back becomes available at a good price then absolutely we should snap him up, but if not I think Hutton can do a very decent job for us at this level.

We should be having a look at Carl Jenkinson IMO. Just returned to Arsenal after a loan-spell at West ham (who now have Antonio and Byram competing for their RB spot). Just turned 24 and not going to get a sniff at Arsenal so the time is right for a permanent move. Always looked decent whenever I've seen him play.

Yeah, would be a good signing. Another player likely to get interest from Premier League clubs too though.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on July 05, 2016, 12:25:19 PM: Quote from: chrisw1 on July 05, 2016, 09:42:13 AM
Quote from: aj2k77 on July 05, 2016, 09:33:09 AM
If Petrov plays for us next season we will struggle like fuck in Midfield again. Lovely bloke, great story, courage in bucket loads but he's finished as a pro footballer.
You may well be right, but you simply don't have enough information to be that dismissive. Why don't we let Di Matteo make that call after watching him through a full pre-season eh?

Close down the website and let's just wait until the first few games and what Di Matteo says then.

He's 37 and off the back of a terrible illness. Common sense tells me he's not going to be able to do something no one else has ever done. He's not super human. We need to buy proper midfielders, he's a good role model, keep him around, whatever, keep him off the pitch though.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: chrisw1 on July 05, 2016, 01:01:48 PM: Quote from: aj2k77 on July 05, 2016, 12:25:19 PM
Quote from: chrisw1 on July 05, 2016, 09:42:13 AM
Quote from: aj2k77 on July 05, 2016, 09:33:09 AM
If Petrov plays for us next season we will struggle like fuck in Midfield again. Lovely bloke, great story, courage in bucket loads but he's finished as a pro footballer.
You may well be right, but you simply don't have enough information to be that dismissive. Why don't we let Di Matteo make that call after watching him through a full pre-season eh?

Close down the website and let's just wait until the first few games and what Di Matteo says then.

He's 37 and off the back of a terrible illness. Common sense tells me he's not going to be able to do something no one else has ever done. He's not super human. We need to buy proper midfielders, he's a good role model, keep him around, whatever, keep him off the pitch though.
But you speak as if what you say is fact. We all know it's a very long shot, but most of us seem prepared to at least give him a chance in pre- season to see what unfolds whereas you seem desperate to write him off.

As for no one else doing it, Lance Armstrong came back from serious cancer. Yes he was drugged up to the eyeballs, but so were the majority of his serious competitors at that time. Make no mistake, drugs or not it took a tremendous athlete to achieve what he did.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: preston28 on July 05, 2016, 01:06:50 PM: Quote from: aj2k77 on July 05, 2016, 12:25:19 PM
Quote from: chrisw1 on July 05, 2016, 09:42:13 AM
Quote from: aj2k77 on July 05, 2016, 09:33:09 AM
If Petrov plays for us next season we will struggle like fuck in Midfield again. Lovely bloke, great story, courage in bucket loads but he's finished as a pro footballer.
You may well be right, but you simply don't have enough information to be that dismissive. Why don't we let Di Matteo make that call after watching him through a full pre-season eh?

Close down the website and let's just wait until the first few games and what Di Matteo says then.

He's 37 and off the back of a terrible illness. Common sense tells me he's not going to be able to do something no one else has ever done. He's not super human. We need to buy proper midfielders, he's a good role model, keep him around, whatever, keep him off the pitch though.

Chemotherapy which he had will have affected his heart. He was fit before his illness, but I doubt due to the adverse effects of chemotherpay he will ever get back his fitness to be a top professional (and he is 4 years older). Saying that he could be a huge influence on the training pitch or on the subs bench?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Risso on July 05, 2016, 01:41:46 PM: I'd be surprised if Petrov plays a single minute this season. Surprised but delighted.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Chris Smith on July 05, 2016, 02:10:15 PM: Quote from: preston28 on July 05, 2016, 01:06:50 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on July 05, 2016, 12:25:19 PM
Quote from: chrisw1 on July 05, 2016, 09:42:13 AM
Quote from: aj2k77 on July 05, 2016, 09:33:09 AM
If Petrov plays for us next season we will struggle like fuck in Midfield again. Lovely bloke, great story, courage in bucket loads but he's finished as a pro footballer.
You may well be right, but you simply don't have enough information to be that dismissive. Why don't we let Di Matteo make that call after watching him through a full pre-season eh?

Close down the website and let's just wait until the first few games and what Di Matteo says then.

He's 37 and off the back of a terrible illness. Common sense tells me he's not going to be able to do something no one else has ever done. He's not super human. We need to buy proper midfielders, he's a good role model, keep him around, whatever, keep him off the pitch though.

Chemotherapy which he had will have affected his heart. He was fit before his illness, but I doubt due to the adverse effects of chemotherpay he will ever get back his fitness to be a top professional (and he is 4 years older). Saying that he could be a huge influence on the training pitch or on the subs bench?

Chemo can effect your heart but it is not a given and remember he was an extremely fit man when he undertook treatment so had a head start on most of us. He will also have had to have been given the go ahead for this by his doctors so if there was any risk he will know it and will be unable to get the neccesary insurance cover. The fact that he has been giving the nod by Villa suggests to me that he is fine.

He might make it, he might not, but I wouldn't be writing him off just yet.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Grumpy on July 05, 2016, 02:11:42 PM: Quote from: preston28 on July 05, 2016, 01:06:50 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on July 05, 2016, 12:25:19 PM
Quote from: chrisw1 on July 05, 2016, 09:42:13 AM
Quote from: aj2k77 on July 05, 2016, 09:33:09 AM
If Petrov plays for us next season we will struggle like fuck in Midfield again. Lovely bloke, great story, courage in bucket loads but he's finished as a pro footballer.
You may well be right, but you simply don't have enough information to be that dismissive. Why don't we let Di Matteo make that call after watching him through a full pre-season eh?

Close down the website and let's just wait until the first few games and what Di Matteo says then.

He's 37 and off the back of a terrible illness. Common sense tells me he's not going to be able to do something no one else has ever done. He's not super human. We need to buy proper midfielders, he's a good role model, keep him around, whatever, keep him off the pitch though.

Chemotherapy which he had will have affected his heart. He was fit before his illness, but I doubt due to the adverse effects of chemotherpay he will ever get back his fitness to be a top professional (and he is 4 years older). Saying that he could be a huge influence on the training pitch or on the subs bench?

Sorry but this is absolute horseshit.
Having had cancer and chemo, I ran marathons for years afterwards and was arguably fitter.
Chemo causes fast growing cells to die. Those cells can arguably come back fresher and stronger.

Please don't post based on some half assed theory or personal belief.

Stan might not get near the team at all but his fitness at 36 is gonna be at least similar if not better than his peers of similar age.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KRS on July 05, 2016, 03:14:47 PM: All credit to and happy bday to Stan. Seeing him back in training is simply amazing and an inspiration to thousands of ppl across the world.

Whilst he looks in great shape compared to just a few months ago, I doubt he'll see much (if any) game time. We are talking about the same player that was literally blowing out his arse after 60 minutes, so even without considering his amazing return to health, unfortunately I doubt he'll be able to reach or maintain the fitness levels required at his age.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Damo70 on July 05, 2016, 03:51:12 PM: Quote from: KRS on July 05, 2016, 03:14:47 PM
All credit to and happy bday to Stan. Seeing him back in training is simply amazing and an inspiration to thousands of ppl across the world.

Whilst he looks in great shape compared to just a few months ago, I doubt he'll see much (if any) game time. We are talking about the same player that was literally blowing out his arse after 60 minutes, so even without considering his amazing return to health, unfortunately I doubt he'll be able to reach or maintain the fitness levels required at his age.

If he takes Ashley Westwood's place all he has to do is stroll sideways back and forth in the middle of the pitch for ninety minutes. And balloon a shot over the bar once or twice.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Jimbo on July 05, 2016, 03:57:39 PM: Quote from: Damo70 on July 05, 2016, 03:51:12 PM
Quote from: KRS on July 05, 2016, 03:14:47 PM
All credit to and happy bday to Stan. Seeing him back in training is simply amazing and an inspiration to thousands of ppl across the world.

Whilst he looks in great shape compared to just a few months ago, I doubt he'll see much (if any) game time. We are talking about the same player that was literally blowing out his arse after 60 minutes, so even without considering his amazing return to health, unfortunately I doubt he'll be able to reach or maintain the fitness levels required at his age.

If he takes Ashley Westwood's place all he has to do is stroll sideways back and forth in the middle of the pitch for ninety minutes. And balloon a shot over the bar once or twice.

He must also divest himself of a personality, which will be a big ask.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 05, 2016, 03:59:07 PM: Quote from: Grumpy on July 05, 2016, 02:11:42 PM
Quote from: preston28 on July 05, 2016, 01:06:50 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on July 05, 2016, 12:25:19 PM
Quote from: chrisw1 on July 05, 2016, 09:42:13 AM
Quote from: aj2k77 on July 05, 2016, 09:33:09 AM
If Petrov plays for us next season we will struggle like fuck in Midfield again. Lovely bloke, great story, courage in bucket loads but he's finished as a pro footballer.
You may well be right, but you simply don't have enough information to be that dismissive. Why don't we let Di Matteo make that call after watching him through a full pre-season eh?

Close down the website and let's just wait until the first few games and what Di Matteo says then.

He's 37 and off the back of a terrible illness. Common sense tells me he's not going to be able to do something no one else has ever done. He's not super human. We need to buy proper midfielders, he's a good role model, keep him around, whatever, keep him off the pitch though.

Chemotherapy which he had will have affected his heart. He was fit before his illness, but I doubt due to the adverse effects of chemotherpay he will ever get back his fitness to be a top professional (and he is 4 years older). Saying that he could be a huge influence on the training pitch or on the subs bench?

Sorry but this is absolute horseshit.
Having had cancer and chemo, I ran marathons for years afterwards and was arguably fitter.
Chemo causes fast growing cells to die. Those cells can arguably come back fresher and stronger.

Please don't post based on some half assed theory or personal belief.

Stan might not get near the team at all but his fitness at 36 is gonna be at least similar if not better than his peers of similar age.

Is correct
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: RussellC on July 05, 2016, 04:27:35 PM: But being fitter than his peers (and he's turned 37 today) isn't the point in question. It's whether he'll be fit enough to play professional football at a very high standard. Ignoring his illness altogether, he's had 4 years out of the game. There won't be many (if any) 37 year-old outfield players playing in the Championship AT ALL next season, let alone ones who have gone without football for so long (and yes, I am discounting over-35s park football).

Sentiment aside, are we also expecting the Club to offer him a professional contract? Don't get me wrong, it would be the stuff of Hollywood screen-plays if it happened, but I'd be literally amazed if we ever see him playing competitive football for Aston Villa again.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 05, 2016, 04:35:57 PM: Quote from: KRS on July 05, 2016, 03:14:47 PM

We are talking about the same player that was literally blowing out his arse after 60 minutes

I'm glad I don't sit where you do at Villa Park if you can tell that he was literally blowing out of his arse ;)
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Grumpy on July 05, 2016, 04:42:55 PM: Quote from: RussellC on July 05, 2016, 04:27:35 PM
But being fitter than his peers (and he's turned 37 today) isn't the point in question. It's whether he'll be fit enough to play professional football at a very high standard. Ignoring his illness altogether, he's had 4 years out of the game. There won't be many (if any) 37 year-old outfield players playing in the Championship AT ALL next season, let alone ones who have gone without football for so long (and yes, I am discounting over-35s park football).

Sentiment aside, are we also expecting the Club to offer him a professional contract? Don't get me wrong, it would be the stuff of Hollywood screen-plays if it happened, but I'd be literally amazed if we ever see him playing competitive football for Aston Villa again.

Absolutely correct.
I was pointing out that chemo aside he is on a par if not better than pros of his age.
The fact is, as you said, that may not be good enough for a football club of our level.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Holte132 on July 05, 2016, 04:43:25 PM: If he takes Ashley Westwood's place all he has to do is stroll sideways back and forth in the middle of the pitch for ninety minutes. And balloon a shot over the bar once or twice.

And point. Don't forget the pointing.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: LeeB on July 05, 2016, 04:48:32 PM: Quote from: Holte132 on July 05, 2016, 04:43:25 PM
If he takes Ashley Westwood's place all he has to do is stroll sideways back and forth in the middle of the pitch for ninety minutes. And balloon a shot over the bar once or twice.

And point. Don't forget the pointing.

In the 'Westwood' role, any energy spent pointing to where your teammates should be can easily be saved by abandoning defensive responsibility.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: villadelph on July 05, 2016, 04:52:07 PM: Brum Mail saying Tshibola is imminent?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: LeeB on July 05, 2016, 04:53:08 PM: Quote from: villadelph on July 05, 2016, 04:52:07 PM
Brum Mail saying Tshibola is imminent?

Any news on vaccinations?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: frank black on July 05, 2016, 04:57:59 PM: Quote from: LeeB on July 05, 2016, 04:53:08 PM
Quote from: villadelph on July 05, 2016, 04:52:07 PM
Brum Mail saying Tshibola is imminent?

Any news on vaccinations?

Fetch your coat!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tuscans on July 05, 2016, 05:06:44 PM: Quote from: LeeB on July 05, 2016, 04:53:08 PM
Quote from: villadelph on July 05, 2016, 04:52:07 PM
Brum Mail saying Tshibola is imminent?

Any news on vaccinations?
Like.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tuscans on July 05, 2016, 05:07:04 PM: Something's happening, the official site won't load.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: nigel on July 05, 2016, 05:08:04 PM: Quote from: Risso on July 05, 2016, 01:41:46 PM
I'd be surprised if Petrov plays a single minute this season. Surprised but delighted.

He can lead the team out thencome off the bench for the final minute of our final game of the season as we are crowned champions.
There's a film in there somewhere :)
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on July 05, 2016, 05:23:52 PM: Quote from: frank black on July 05, 2016, 04:57:59 PM
Quote from: LeeB on July 05, 2016, 04:53:08 PM
Quote from: villadelph on July 05, 2016, 04:52:07 PM
Brum Mail saying Tshibola is imminent?

Any news on vaccinations?

Fetch your coat!
Don't forget the hat!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 05, 2016, 05:36:33 PM: I like that things are happening behind the scenes quietly without much fuss. We had too much attention paid to the club last season almost exclusively negative in nature. There's a lot more calmness about the place this time around.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on July 05, 2016, 06:21:01 PM: I'd like us to try and go for Gibbs who's out of contract at the Arse.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: frank black on July 05, 2016, 06:34:36 PM: Burnley poised to offer 6 mil for Westwood. I can hear the sound of hands snapping.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: jwarry on July 05, 2016, 06:36:06 PM: Boro spending £12m on Marten De Roon. Who he?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cheltenhamlion on July 05, 2016, 06:46:54 PM: Quote from: frank black on July 05, 2016, 06:34:36 PM
Burnley poised to offer 6 mil for Westwood. I can hear the sound of hands snapping.

How much?

*Starts the ugly hire car after wife's accident the other week*
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Stirchley Villain on July 05, 2016, 06:50:51 PM: Quote from: frank black on July 05, 2016, 06:34:36 PM
Burnley poised to offer 6 mil for Westwood. I can hear the sound of hands snapping.

Let me know where and when and I'll drive him myself.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on July 05, 2016, 06:58:47 PM: Quote from: frank black on July 05, 2016, 06:34:36 PM
Burnley poised to offer 6 mil for Westwood. I can hear the sound of hands snapping.

Also sound of cars starting all over Birmingham ready to head down to B6 and offer to drive him up there.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on July 05, 2016, 07:00:43 PM: Doesn't Roon's brother play for Sunderland? Macca
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cheltenhamlion on July 05, 2016, 07:01:09 PM: Fuck off. It was my gag first!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 05, 2016, 07:13:16 PM: You don't need to drive Westwood just point
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on July 05, 2016, 07:14:06 PM: That's a backwards move long term for Westwood. He must be delighted.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Stirchley Villain on July 05, 2016, 07:15:35 PM: Quote from: Ads on July 05, 2016, 07:14:06 PM
That's a backwards move long term for Westwood. He must be delighted.

Wants to stay in the Premier League apparently. With Burnley..?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on July 05, 2016, 07:45:03 PM: Quote from: jwarry on July 05, 2016, 06:36:06 PM
Boro spending £12m on Marten De Roon. Who he?
It's Rooney's new identity after going into hiding following that abysmal showing in the Euro's.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Des Little on July 05, 2016, 07:45:34 PM: If anyone needs me in the next 10 minutes, I'll be doing the Alan Pardew dance around my lounge.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on July 05, 2016, 07:48:02 PM: I'd quite happily keep Westwood as a squad player but fucking hell, for 6 Million I'll fireman lift the fucker all the way there on foot.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Des Little on July 05, 2016, 07:49:43 PM: Can I just double check its them giving us £6m, yes?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Risso on July 05, 2016, 07:52:42 PM: Quote from: supertom on July 05, 2016, 07:48:02 PM
I'd quite happily keep Westwood as a squad player but fucking hell, for 6 Million I'll fireman lift the fucker all the way there on foot.

So far everything seems to be going quite nicely this summer. (But then, I thought that last summer!)
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villafirst on July 05, 2016, 07:52:49 PM: Do Burnley want to be relegated? Westwood is so boringly average.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 05, 2016, 07:53:18 PM: The obsession with staying in the Premier League is odd to me. Villa are likely to be at the top end of the Championship and Burnley are likely to be near the bottom of the Premier League. Leaving aside the fact they might switch places after one year, wouldn't it be more fun to win most weeks in the Championship than lose most weeks in the Premier League.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on July 05, 2016, 08:01:44 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 05, 2016, 07:53:18 PM
The obsession with staying in the Premier League is odd to me. Villa are likely to be at the top end of the Championship and Burnley are likely to be near the bottom of the Premier League. Leaving aside the fact they might switch places after one year, wouldn't it be more fun to win most weeks in the Championship than lose most weeks in the Premier League.

As one of players who was probably never on the truly eye watering contracts and who's just lost 50% of that contract, one season in the Prem on the sort of deal the new TV money will demand will probably make up for a lack of win bonuses chez RDM.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on July 05, 2016, 08:01:58 PM: Quote from: Ads on July 05, 2016, 07:14:06 PM
That's a backwards move long term for Westwood. He must be delighted.

Sir, I applaud you. Very funny.

This makes me question my appreciation of Sean Dyche's work. £6 mill? Fuckaduck RDM's a genius.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: andyh on July 05, 2016, 08:09:14 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 05, 2016, 07:53:18 PM
The obsession with staying in the Premier League is odd to me. Villa are likely to be at the top end of the Championship and Burnley are likely to be near the bottom of the Premier League. Leaving aside the fact they might switch places after one year, wouldn't it be more fun to win most weeks in the Championship than lose most weeks in the Premier League.
Good point.
I suppose they want someone with loads of experience in relegation battles.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: alan_clarke on July 05, 2016, 08:31:31 PM: Someone on Twitter threatening to cut up his season ticket if Westwood leaves....

...puts those Tshibola opinions into perspective.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on July 05, 2016, 08:35:01 PM: But who is going to do the pointing?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on July 05, 2016, 08:37:43 PM: Quote from: alan_clarke on July 05, 2016, 08:31:31 PM
Someone on Twitter threatening to cut up his season ticket if Westwood leaves....

...puts those Tshibola opinions into perspective.

Yes, but it was a Burnley fan.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Damo70 on July 05, 2016, 08:44:11 PM: I don't want to fall out with anyone but for all these people offering to drive him to Burnley I will fight you to the death for the opportunity to drive him there the quickest. Obviously my job would be made a lot easier by him pointing me in the right direction all the way there.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Damo70 on July 05, 2016, 08:51:50 PM: Quote from: Villa in Denmark on July 05, 2016, 08:37:43 PM
Quote from: alan_clarke on July 05, 2016, 08:31:31 PM
Someone on Twitter threatening to cut up his season ticket if Westwood leaves....

...puts those Tshibola opinions into perspective.

Yes, but it was a Burnley fan.

It must have been because I haven't received my season ticket yet. Or is he going to keep his anger on the boil long enough to get his season ticket and then cut it up.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: LeeB on July 05, 2016, 08:52:33 PM: It could be his dad?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Richard E on July 05, 2016, 08:53:59 PM: Quote from: Damo70 on July 05, 2016, 08:44:11 PM
I don't want to fall out with anyone but for all these people offering to drive him to Burnley I will fight you to the death for the opportunity to drive him there the quickest. Obviously my job would be made a lot easier by him pointing me in the right direction all the way there.

Everyone who wants this job could do a mile each. We could auction off each mile for charity.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Damo70 on July 05, 2016, 08:56:18 PM: Quote from: LeeB on July 05, 2016, 08:52:33 PM
It could be his dad?

Only a father could show such blind faith. He is just a shit David Hunt and that is as big a insult as I could possibly come up with.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: olaftab on July 05, 2016, 09:02:01 PM: Quote from: LeeB on July 05, 2016, 08:52:33 PM
It could be his dad?
On that theme I heard about an Icelandic player who made his professional debut by coming on as a sub for his dad.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: olaftab on July 05, 2016, 09:05:19 PM: Quote from: olaftab on July 05, 2016, 09:02:01 PM
Quote from: LeeB on July 05, 2016, 08:52:33 PM
It could be his dad?
On that theme I heard about an Icelandic player who made his professional debut by coming on as a sub for his dad.
OK wiki helped:In a friendly against Estonia on 24 April 1996 in Tallinn, Eiður Smári Guðjohnsen entered as a substitute for his father Arnór. This marked the first time that a father and son played in the same international match.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on July 05, 2016, 09:07:29 PM: Quote from: olaftab on July 05, 2016, 09:05:19 PM
Quote from: olaftab on July 05, 2016, 09:02:01 PM
Quote from: LeeB on July 05, 2016, 08:52:33 PM
It could be his dad?
On that theme I heard about an Icelandic player who made his professional debut by coming on as a sub for his dad.
OK wiki helped:In a friendly against Estonia on 24 April 1996 in Tallinn, Eiður Smári Guðjohnsen entered as a substitute for his father Arnór. This marked the first time that a father and son played in the same international match.

And I think Eidur's son came on for him in an international match a year or so back.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Pete3206 on July 05, 2016, 09:10:17 PM: Quote from: frank black on July 05, 2016, 06:34:36 PM
Burnley poised to offer 6 mil for Westwood. I can hear the sound of hands snapping.

(http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/smileys-and-emoticons/praying/smileys-praying-623819.gif)
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: olaftab on July 05, 2016, 09:25:43 PM: This was an interesting headline in the Mail:

Aston Villa flop Charles N'Zogbia trying to earn a deal at Premier League club.

Apparently training at Sunderland. Wish them all teh best if they sign him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: kieron on July 05, 2016, 09:36:17 PM: "earn"?

He's fucked, then.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: preston28 on July 05, 2016, 11:03:42 PM: Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on July 05, 2016, 03:59:07 PM
Quote from: Grumpy on July 05, 2016, 02:11:42 PM
Quote from: preston28 on July 05, 2016, 01:06:50 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on July 05, 2016, 12:25:19 PM
Quote from: chrisw1 on July 05, 2016, 09:42:13 AM
Quote from: aj2k77 on July 05, 2016, 09:33:09 AM
If Petrov plays for us next season we will struggle like fuck in Midfield again. Lovely bloke, great story, courage in bucket loads but he's finished as a pro footballer.
You may well be right, but you simply don't have enough information to be that dismissive. Why don't we let Di Matteo make that call after watching him through a full pre-season eh?

Close down the website and let's just wait until the first few games and what Di Matteo says then.

He's 37 and off the back of a terrible illness. Common sense tells me he's not going to be able to do something no one else has ever done. He's not super human. We need to buy proper midfielders, he's a good role model, keep him around, whatever, keep him off the pitch though.

Chemotherapy which he had will have affected his heart. He was fit before his illness, but I doubt due to the adverse effects of chemotherpay he will ever get back his fitness to be a top professional (and he is 4 years older). Saying that he could be a huge influence on the training pitch or on the subs bench?

Sorry but this is absolute horseshit.
Having had cancer and chemo, I ran marathons for years afterwards and was arguably fitter.
Chemo causes fast growing cells to die. Those cells can arguably come back fresher and stronger.

Please don't post based on some half assed theory or personal belief.

Stan might not get near the team at all but his fitness at 36 is gonna be at least similar if not better than his peers of similar age.

Is correct

It depends of the chemotherapy you had. If you have chemotherapy for a haematological malignancy like Petrov the regimen it will be different to post op chemotherapy. Duanorubicin is often used in acute leukaemias and causes heart muscle damage. Heamatologists now get echocardiograms pre and post chemotherapy to assess the extent of damage. If recognised early it can be reversed in the first 6 months with an ACE- inhibitor.

This is not a half arsed theory but fact. I'm sorry if it offended you.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: paul_e on July 05, 2016, 11:06:48 PM: The error there, and you've repeated it, is that you're stating it as 100% fact which isn't true. It's a chance that some chemo treatments can have an effect on the heart (and lots of other organs) but it's not a sure thing.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SirSteveUK on July 05, 2016, 11:24:10 PM: I saw something last week about Bunn and Leeds. ?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on July 05, 2016, 11:56:13 PM: Quote from: preston28 on July 05, 2016, 11:03:42 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on July 05, 2016, 03:59:07 PM
Quote from: Grumpy on July 05, 2016, 02:11:42 PM
Quote from: preston28 on July 05, 2016, 01:06:50 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on July 05, 2016, 12:25:19 PM
Quote from: chrisw1 on July 05, 2016, 09:42:13 AM
Quote from: aj2k77 on July 05, 2016, 09:33:09 AM
If Petrov plays for us next season we will struggle like fuck in Midfield again. Lovely bloke, great story, courage in bucket loads but he's finished as a pro footballer.
You may well be right, but you simply don't have enough information to be that dismissive. Why don't we let Di Matteo make that call after watching him through a full pre-season eh?

Close down the website and let's just wait until the first few games and what Di Matteo says then.

He's 37 and off the back of a terrible illness. Common sense tells me he's not going to be able to do something no one else has ever done. He's not super human. We need to buy proper midfielders, he's a good role model, keep him around, whatever, keep him off the pitch though.

Chemotherapy which he had will have affected his heart. He was fit before his illness, but I doubt due to the adverse effects of chemotherpay he will ever get back his fitness to be a top professional (and he is 4 years older). Saying that he could be a huge influence on the training pitch or on the subs bench?

Sorry but this is absolute horseshit.
Having had cancer and chemo, I ran marathons for years afterwards and was arguably fitter.
Chemo causes fast growing cells to die. Those cells can arguably come back fresher and stronger.

Please don't post based on some half assed theory or personal belief.

Stan might not get near the team at all but his fitness at 36 is gonna be at least similar if not better than his peers of similar age.

Is correct

It depends of the chemotherapy you had. If you have chemotherapy for a haematological malignancy like Petrov the regimen it will be different to post op chemotherapy. Duanorubicin is often used in acute leukaemias and causes heart muscle damage. Heamatologists now get echocardiograms pre and post chemotherapy to assess the extent of damage. If recognised early it can be reversed in the first 6 months with an ACE- inhibitor.

This is not a half arsed theory but fact. I'm sorry if it offended you.

Ross Hutchins came back playing tennis after battling back from cancer
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on July 06, 2016, 12:45:41 AM: Was he 37?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on July 06, 2016, 12:58:17 AM: No. Sorry.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 06, 2016, 05:17:08 AM: does any of this matter? Can't we just celebrate the fact that Stan has come through an awful illness?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on July 06, 2016, 07:20:34 AM: Quote from: alan_clarke on July 05, 2016, 08:31:31 PM
Someone on Twitter threatening to cut up his season ticket if Westwood leaves....

...puts those Tshibola opinions into perspective.

what the season ticket that hasnt arrived yet

bit like one of point boys corners
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on July 06, 2016, 07:58:16 AM: Quote from: SirSteveUK on July 05, 2016, 11:24:10 PM
I saw something last week about Bunn and Leeds. ?

Eccles cakes?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 06, 2016, 08:40:12 AM: I saw him Parkin there
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on July 06, 2016, 09:23:06 PM: Presumably Hal Robson-Kanu is less of a "must sign" player tonight?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on July 06, 2016, 09:28:01 PM: Quote from: Dave on July 06, 2016, 09:23:06 PM
Presumably Hal Robson-Kanu is less of a "must sign" player tonight?
To be fair to him he's not really a striker. I'd still sign him up as he'd be a useful squad option. But I wouldn't say he's the sort you want as your main man. I think he may end up being a little over hyped after the tournament. He'll get a Prem move and not quite live up to it.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on July 06, 2016, 09:42:00 PM: A striker who doesn't score isn't a useful option.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: LeeB on July 06, 2016, 09:45:26 PM: Quote from: Ads on July 06, 2016, 09:42:00 PM
A striker who doesn't score isn't a useful option.

It's also an area in which we're well equipped.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on July 06, 2016, 09:45:52 PM: Quote from: Ads on July 06, 2016, 09:42:00 PM
A striker who doesn't score isn't a useful option.

And we have at least four players who would be a better option out wide. And we got relegated with them.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: adrenachrome on July 06, 2016, 09:48:57 PM: Quote from: supertom on July 06, 2016, 09:28:01 PM
Quote from: Dave on July 06, 2016, 09:23:06 PM
Presumably Hal Robson-Kanu is less of a "must sign" player tonight?
To be fair to him he's not really a striker. I'd still sign him up as he'd be a useful squad option. But I wouldn't say he's the sort you want as your main man. I think he may end up being a little over hyped after the tournament. He'll get a Prem move and not quite live up to it.

Mark Hughes, when asked by the commentator on tonight's game about rumours of Stoke wanting the player sneeringly replied he was more likely to end up at Aston Villa, the brillo pad haired tnuc.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on July 06, 2016, 09:56:31 PM: Quote from: Dave on July 06, 2016, 09:45:52 PM
Quote from: Ads on July 06, 2016, 09:42:00 PM
A striker who doesn't score isn't a useful option.

And we have at least four players who would be a better option out wide. And we got relegated with them.
But he's the next Cruyff
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: jwarry on July 06, 2016, 09:57:11 PM: Quote from: adrenachrome on July 06, 2016, 09:48:57 PM
Quote from: supertom on July 06, 2016, 09:28:01 PM
Quote from: Dave on July 06, 2016, 09:23:06 PM
Presumably Hal Robson-Kanu is less of a "must sign" player tonight?
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Mark Hughes, when asked by the commentator on tonight's game about rumours of Stoke wanting the player sneeringly replied he was more likely to end up at Aston Villa, the brillo pad haired D

Did he really say that? The twat. He will live to regret it, but unfortunately when we finally get our act together he will be retired with a bucketload of cash and won't give a shit
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on July 06, 2016, 09:58:18 PM: Hmm, Mark Hughes, ITK? ;-)
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 06, 2016, 10:02:46 PM: Quote from: Dave on July 06, 2016, 09:23:06 PM
Presumably Hal Robson-Kanu is less of a "must sign" player tonight?

I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid we can't do that.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mattjpa on July 06, 2016, 10:04:23 PM: Quote from: preston28 on July 05, 2016, 11:03:42 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on July 05, 2016, 03:59:07 PM
Quote from: Grumpy on July 05, 2016, 02:11:42 PM
Quote from: preston28 on July 05, 2016, 01:06:50 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on July 05, 2016, 12:25:19 PM
Quote from: chrisw1 on July 05, 2016, 09:42:13 AM
Quote from: aj2k77 on July 05, 2016, 09:33:09 AM
If Petrov plays for us next season we will struggle like fuck in Midfield again. Lovely bloke, great story, courage in bucket loads but he's finished as a pro footballer.
You may well be right, but you simply don't have enough information to be that dismissive. Why don't we let Di Matteo make that call after watching him through a full pre-season eh?

Close down the website and let's just wait until the first few games and what Di Matteo says then.

He's 37 and off the back of a terrible illness. Common sense tells me he's not going to be able to do something no one else has ever done. He's not super human. We need to buy proper midfielders, he's a good role model, keep him around, whatever, keep him off the pitch though.

Chemotherapy which he had will have affected his heart. He was fit before his illness, but I doubt due to the adverse effects of chemotherpay he will ever get back his fitness to be a top professional (and he is 4 years older). Saying that he could be a huge influence on the training pitch or on the subs bench?

Sorry but this is absolute horseshit.
Having had cancer and chemo, I ran marathons for years afterwards and was arguably fitter.
Chemo causes fast growing cells to die. Those cells can arguably come back fresher and stronger.

Please don't post based on some half assed theory or personal belief.

Stan might not get near the team at all but his fitness at 36 is gonna be at least similar if not better than his peers of similar age.

Is correct

It depends of the chemotherapy you had. If you have chemotherapy for a haematological malignancy like Petrov the regimen it will be different to post op chemotherapy. Duanorubicin is often used in acute leukaemias and causes heart muscle damage. Heamatologists now get echocardiograms pre and post chemotherapy to assess the extent of damage. If recognised early it can be reversed in the first 6 months with an ACE- inhibitor.

This is not a half arsed theory but fact. I'm sorry if it offended you.

Sensitive subject, I know, but that is a killer reposte. Touché sir 🎩
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on July 06, 2016, 10:13:33 PM: Quote from: cdbullyweefan on July 06, 2016, 10:02:46 PM
Quote from: Dave on July 06, 2016, 09:23:06 PM
Presumably Hal Robson-Kanu is less of a "must sign" player tonight?

I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid we can't do that.

*nods*

Like it.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: spangley1812 on July 06, 2016, 10:14:20 PM: Quote from: Newby on July 06, 2016, 07:58:16 AM
Quote from: SirSteveUK on July 05, 2016, 11:24:10 PM
I saw something last week about Bunn and Leeds. ?

Unlikely now as Leeds have signed Rob Green on a Bosman
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on July 06, 2016, 10:19:19 PM: I'd be fine with Mr Robson-Kanu coming in as a squad player.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Concrete John on July 06, 2016, 10:31:09 PM: Quote from: Clampy on July 06, 2016, 10:19:19 PM
I'd be fine with Mr Robson-Kanu coming in as a squad player.

I think we've got better in the position he plays in, so I'd rather spend the money, even if it is just wages, on other areas of the team.

And his agent will be looking for more than he's worth after the Euros.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: curiousorange on July 06, 2016, 10:38:56 PM: I couldn't be less arsed at the thought of signing Hal Robson-Kanu, and one piece of skill against Belgium didn't change my mind.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villafirst on July 06, 2016, 10:41:52 PM: What's the situation with Tshibola? Seems to gone quiet in the last day or so.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on July 06, 2016, 10:45:39 PM: Guzan to Boro looks less likely too with Victor Valdes joining.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VinnieChase84 on July 07, 2016, 06:08:55 AM: Quote from: Newby on July 06, 2016, 10:45:39 PM
Guzan to Boro looks less likely too with Victor Valdes joining.
Think Brad will go back to the MLS
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ldavfc4eva on July 07, 2016, 06:51:20 AM: Not for the money he will get in the MLS I doubt, we will be stuck with him I think for now.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sid1964 on July 07, 2016, 07:53:15 AM: What would make the difference in the Championship is a goal scoring midfield player, in the mould of a David Platt
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on July 07, 2016, 08:06:03 AM: Quote from: sid1964 on July 07, 2016, 07:53:15 AM
What would make the difference in the Championship is a goal scoring midfield player, in the mould of a David Platt
Time for Grealish to step up to the Platt (plate).
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 07, 2016, 10:07:53 AM: Quote from: sid1964 on July 07, 2016, 07:53:15 AM
What would make the difference in the Championship is a goal scoring midfield player, in the mould of a David Platt

Charlie Adam.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on July 07, 2016, 10:14:10 AM: Quote from: ldavfc4eva on July 07, 2016, 06:51:20 AM
Not for the money he will get in the MLS I doubt, we will be stuck with him I think for now.

Think he would get at least the equivalent of what he is on now. Dempsey got big money to go to Seattle when we and other teams were sniffing around.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: andyh on July 07, 2016, 10:17:47 AM: Quote from: SoccerHQ on July 07, 2016, 10:07:53 AM
Quote from: sid1964 on July 07, 2016, 07:53:15 AM
What would make the difference in the Championship is a goal scoring midfield player, in the mould of a David Platt

Charlie Adam.
Absolutely agree with this suggestion.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on July 07, 2016, 10:20:43 AM: Quote from: tomd2103 on July 07, 2016, 10:14:10 AM
Quote from: ldavfc4eva on July 07, 2016, 06:51:20 AM
Not for the money he will get in the MLS I doubt, we will be stuck with him I think for now.

Think he would get at least the equivalent of what he is on now. Dempsey got big money to go to Seattle when we and other teams were sniffing around.

That's the point. Non-MLS teams were interested in Dempsey. Has there been any indication that any team (whether MLS or elsewhere) is interested in Guzan ?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Stirchley Villain on July 07, 2016, 10:45:39 AM: Quote from: andyh on July 07, 2016, 10:17:47 AM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on July 07, 2016, 10:07:53 AM
Quote from: sid1964 on July 07, 2016, 07:53:15 AM
What would make the difference in the Championship is a goal scoring midfield player, in the mould of a David Platt

Charlie Adam.
Absolutely agree with this suggestion.

He's fatter than Gabby!!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 07, 2016, 10:48:10 AM: Where has that kid from Reading gone? Thats all gone quiet?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 07, 2016, 10:48:51 AM: Quote from: Stirchley Villain on July 07, 2016, 10:45:39 AM
Quote from: andyh on July 07, 2016, 10:17:47 AM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on July 07, 2016, 10:07:53 AM
Quote from: sid1964 on July 07, 2016, 07:53:15 AM
What would make the difference in the Championship is a goal scoring midfield player, in the mould of a David Platt

Charlie Adam.
Absolutely agree with this suggestion.

He's fatter than Gabby!!

Big boned
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Holtemeister on July 07, 2016, 11:00:33 AM: Birmingham City are considering a move for out-of-contract full-back Kieran Richardson, 31, who was released by Aston Villa earlier this summer. (Birmingham Mail)

Not worth me driving him there so will order him a taxi
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: avfcpg on July 07, 2016, 11:10:24 AM: Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on July 07, 2016, 10:48:10 AM
Where has that kid from Reading gone? Thats all gone quiet?
There were rumours it had fallen through, but think that came from twitter so who knows...
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Chris Jameson on July 07, 2016, 11:43:13 AM: I hate Charlie Adam. He's a nasty bastard, not in a good Roy Keane on the pitch kind of way.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Diablo on July 07, 2016, 12:17:25 PM: Quote from: Chris Jameson on July 07, 2016, 11:43:13 AM
I hate Charlie Adam. He's a nasty bastard, not in a good Roy Keane on the pitch kind of way.

Why what's he done?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PGW on July 07, 2016, 12:22:39 PM: Quote from: Diablo on July 07, 2016, 12:17:25 PM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on July 07, 2016, 11:43:13 AM
I hate Charlie Adam. He's a nasty bastard, not in a good Roy Keane on the pitch kind of way.

Why what's he done?

He is a cynical 'orrible' twat....exactly what we need.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Diablo on July 07, 2016, 12:25:14 PM: Article saying RDM wants 2 strikers http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-transfer-news-roberto-11577295 I'd be happy with Patrick Bamford if he can recreate his previous form in the Championship!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 07, 2016, 12:29:53 PM: Charlie Adam is a massive cheat, which I have no great problem with, we need more nasty players.

The problem is that he is also massive.

He looks like he's eaten Gabby.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Diablo on July 07, 2016, 12:32:45 PM: Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on July 07, 2016, 12:29:53 PM
Charlie Adam is a massive cheat, which I have no great problem with, we need more nasty players.

The problem is that he is also massive.

He looks like he's eaten Gabby.

He's not the most mobile of players. But he can pick a (forward) pass. Would do well in the Championship I would have thought. He does well enough in the Prem from what I've seen (although I've not seen him regularly only on odd highlights).
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: paul_e on July 07, 2016, 12:36:20 PM: I've heard (from a friend in Liverpool who met him a few years back) that he's an absolute arsehole in person. I don't know any more circumstances but she's a very difficult person to upset so getting on her wrong side takes some effort.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: AVH87 on July 07, 2016, 12:37:26 PM: Looking at pics of Adam last season, not sure where this myth has come from that he's 'massive', doesn't look overweight at all.

He is slow, yes, but that's not to do with his size, he could lose a stone and would barely make a difference.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Stirchley Villain on July 07, 2016, 12:50:05 PM: He looked like he had a massive gut when he came on at VP last season. Maybe it was s trick of the light..?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on July 07, 2016, 12:56:00 PM: I'd rather bring back the Scottish Messi than sign Adam.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Chris Jameson on July 07, 2016, 01:41:07 PM: There have been several other 'incidents' involving Adam since (https://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/mar/05/charlie-adams-hall-of-shame-the-fouls-the-red-cards-the-bans)
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: in exile on July 07, 2016, 02:20:13 PM: Quote from: Holtemeister on July 07, 2016, 11:00:33 AM
Birmingham City are considering a move for out-of-contract full-back Kieran Richardson, 31, who was released by Aston Villa earlier this summer. (Birmingham Mail)

Not worth me driving him there so will order him a taxi

What summer?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: eamonn on July 07, 2016, 05:01:35 PM: But Charlie seemed so docile and humble on his Match of the Day 2 sofa appearances.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Gareth on July 07, 2016, 05:40:26 PM: Charlie Adam has some qualities we need but I would hate us to sign any player who tackles down the achilles-cowardly!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 07, 2016, 08:26:41 PM: Quote from: Diablo on July 07, 2016, 12:32:45 PM
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on July 07, 2016, 12:29:53 PM
Charlie Adam is a massive cheat, which I have no great problem with, we need more nasty players.

The problem is that he is also massive.

He looks like he's eaten Gabby.

He's not the most mobile of players. But he can pick a (forward) pass. Would do well in the Championship I would have thought. He does well enough in the Prem from what I've seen (although I've not seen him regularly only on odd highlights).

No offence, but the fact your opinion is based on the highlights might be the key problem. He has a great left foot and can try and score from the halfway line, ping long passes etc, but his mobility is awful to the extent that picking him means you need an athlete alongside him to do his running. He is not good enough to justify that privilege in my opinion.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Taylor on July 07, 2016, 09:32:43 PM: Can't we buy this Greizmann fella?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Diablo on July 07, 2016, 09:53:31 PM: Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 07, 2016, 08:26:41 PM
Quote from: Diablo on July 07, 2016, 12:32:45 PM
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on July 07, 2016, 12:29:53 PM
Charlie Adam is a massive cheat, which I have no great problem with, we need more nasty players.

The problem is that he is also massive.

He looks like he's eaten Gabby.

He's not the most mobile of players. But he can pick a (forward) pass. Would do well in the Championship I would have thought. He does well enough in the Prem from what I've seen (although I've not seen him regularly only on odd highlights).

No offence, but the fact your opinion is based on the highlights might be the key problem. He has a great left foot and can try and score from the halfway line, ping long passes etc, but his mobility is awful to the extent that picking him means you need an athlete alongside him to do his running. He is not good enough to justify that privilege in my opinion.

No offence taken. It's not as if I watch Stoke for a whole 90 mins that often (well generally only 2 games a season). I totally get what you're saying. That said I'd be prepared to put money on him being an upgrade on Westwood.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: paul_e on July 07, 2016, 09:57:38 PM: Quote from: Diablo on July 07, 2016, 09:53:31 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 07, 2016, 08:26:41 PM
Quote from: Diablo on July 07, 2016, 12:32:45 PM
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on July 07, 2016, 12:29:53 PM
Charlie Adam is a massive cheat, which I have no great problem with, we need more nasty players.

The problem is that he is also massive.

He looks like he's eaten Gabby.

He's not the most mobile of players. But he can pick a (forward) pass. Would do well in the Championship I would have thought. He does well enough in the Prem from what I've seen (although I've not seen him regularly only on odd highlights).

No offence, but the fact your opinion is based on the highlights might be the key problem. He has a great left foot and can try and score from the halfway line, ping long passes etc, but his mobility is awful to the extent that picking him means you need an athlete alongside him to do his running. He is not good enough to justify that privilege in my opinion.

No offence taken. It's not as if I watch Stoke for a whole 90 mins that often (well generally only 2 games a season). I totally get what you're saying. That said I'd be prepared to put money on him being an upgrade on Westwood.

The big issue is that whilst he would be a marginal upgrade on him as a player (when you consider the number of games he miss out banned) as a person I don't want him anywhere near the club.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tony Erdington on July 07, 2016, 10:12:57 PM: Quote from: in exile on July 07, 2016, 02:20:13 PM
Quote from: Holtemeister on July 07, 2016, 11:00:33 AM
Birmingham City are considering a move for out-of-contract full-back Kieran Richardson, 31, who was released by Aston Villa earlier this summer. (Birmingham Mail)

Not worth me driving him there so will order him a taxi

What summer?

I think that was that week towards the end of may
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 08, 2016, 05:27:22 AM: it was actually May 3rd, in the afternoon.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villafirst on July 08, 2016, 06:03:49 AM: The supposed Tshibola deal seems to have fizzled out. Have to say I'm underwhelmed by dealings so far. Interesting article by Mat Kendrick in the B'ham Mail mentioning that most of the wasters are on the Austria trip and yet promising youngsters like Green, Hepburn-Murphy have been left out.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 08, 2016, 07:16:10 AM: I can't but agree - I know it's a month to kick off and the window is open into September but I expected more activity - mostly with the shite brigade leaving first before fresh faces coming in.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on July 08, 2016, 07:19:25 AM: I'm sure there was an article a while back claiming that no-one would be leaving until RDM got to have a good look at them in pre-season. Maybe things will start moving once they're back.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 08, 2016, 07:32:56 AM: Quote from: mr underhill on July 08, 2016, 05:27:22 AM
it was actually May 3rd, in the afternoon.

about 2
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 08, 2016, 07:34:15 AM: Quote from: Clampy on July 08, 2016, 07:19:25 AM
I'm sure there was an article a while back claiming that no-one would be leaving until RDM got to have a good look at them in pre-season. Maybe things will start moving once they're back.

I thought I read somewhere that he said alot wouldnt be done until after the Euros etc ?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villafirst on July 08, 2016, 07:58:46 AM: Trouble is, players need time to bed in - especially foreign players in new surroundings etc. We saw the disaster of last season due part in to late arrivals.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on July 08, 2016, 08:07:19 AM: I read that too Clampy. Makes sense I suppose. We may want certain players out but if the manager likes them and they're responding in a professional and hard working way, then it makes no sense to RDM to shift them on unless he can replace with better.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 08, 2016, 08:56:34 AM: Gollini is expected to join today and go to Austria with Tshibola to follow.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on July 08, 2016, 09:02:36 AM: Good news, let's hope it happens quickly and there are more to follow!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on July 08, 2016, 10:00:40 AM: Quote from: Villafirst on July 08, 2016, 07:58:46 AM
Trouble is, players need time to bed in - especially foreign players in new surroundings etc. We saw the disaster of last season due part in to late arrivals.

You're right. However it shouldn't take a season for them to settle in like last year. Get the right few and we'll be okay.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on July 08, 2016, 10:01:46 AM: Quote from: Villafirst on July 08, 2016, 06:03:49 AM
The supposed Tshibola deal seems to have fizzled out. Have to say I'm underwhelmed by dealings so far. Interesting article by Mat Kendrick in the B'ham Mail mentioning that most of the wasters are on the Austria trip and yet promising youngsters like Green, Hepburn-Murphy have been left out.
Have the youngsters been given extra time off following the tournament?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: AVH87 on July 08, 2016, 10:10:57 AM: Quote from: Villafirst on July 08, 2016, 06:03:49 AM
The supposed Tshibola deal seems to have fizzled out. Have to say I'm underwhelmed by dealings so far. Interesting article by Mat Kendrick in the B'ham Mail mentioning that most of the wasters are on the Austria trip and yet promising youngsters like Green, Hepburn-Murphy have been left out.

Bham Mail reporting Tshibola will follow Gollini through the door. Here's hoping.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Gareth on July 08, 2016, 10:22:46 AM: I expect the exit door will get majority of its use in the last 2/3 days of the transfer window not early July - the players we want rid of will not be priority signings for other clubs but may be 'squad fillers' in last few days of window.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on July 08, 2016, 10:27:59 AM: It's worth remembering that the players performed so abjectly last season, and those within the game will now the rumours of any internal player led shenanigans that it is unsurprising that clubs may not be knocking too hard at our door to take them off our hands.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: fredm on July 08, 2016, 11:15:28 AM: Quote from: Villafirst on July 08, 2016, 06:03:49 AM
The supposed Tshibola deal seems to have fizzled out. Have to say I'm underwhelmed by dealings so far. Interesting article by Mat Kendrick in the B'ham Mail mentioning that most of the wasters are on the Austria trip and yet promising youngsters like Green, Hepburn-Murphy have been left out.

Perhaps RDM wants himself, SC and KB to have a good look at them whilst they are in their company 24 hours a day, to see if they have the determination to succeed or if they will just be taking the p**s again this year. I would imagine that he knows he can bank on the young lads giving 100%.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 08, 2016, 11:32:48 AM: Well I suspect one of the worst for team morale - the flower suited tosspot being out of the door will have a positive impact at least.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: not3bad on July 08, 2016, 12:26:20 PM: Quote from: peter w on July 08, 2016, 10:00:40 AM
Quote from: Villafirst on July 08, 2016, 07:58:46 AM
Trouble is, players need time to bed in - especially foreign players in new surroundings etc. We saw the disaster of last season due part in to late arrivals.

You're right. However it shouldn't take a season for them to settle in like last year. Get the right few and we'll be okay.

Things should pick up once the Euros are finished.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: not3bad on July 08, 2016, 12:28:08 PM: Quote from: hoyle87 on July 08, 2016, 10:10:57 AM
Quote from: Villafirst on July 08, 2016, 06:03:49 AM
The supposed Tshibola deal seems to have fizzled out. Have to say I'm underwhelmed by dealings so far. Interesting article by Mat Kendrick in the B'ham Mail mentioning that most of the wasters are on the Austria trip and yet promising youngsters like Green, Hepburn-Murphy have been left out.

Bham Mail reporting Tshibola will follow Gollini through the door. Here's hoping.

Tshibola and Gollini deals are complete subject to medicals. http://news.ladbrokes.com/football/championship/di-matteo-announces-himself-at-aston-villa-with-two-new-buys.html
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: paul_e on July 08, 2016, 12:38:39 PM: Keeping an eye on the twitter feed where I supect we'll see a double announcement later this afternoon and I saw a picture from the Austria training camp - https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/751341251073572864

It took me a good 30 seconds to realise that's Bennett, he looks a lot less scrawny than he was a couple of years back.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Risso on July 08, 2016, 01:02:24 PM: Quote from: paul_e on July 08, 2016, 12:38:39 PM
Keeping an eye on the twitter feed where I supect we'll see a double announcement later this afternoon and I saw a picture from the Austria training camp - https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/751341251073572864

It took me a good 30 seconds to realise that's Bennett, he looks a lot less scrawny than he was a couple of years back.

He does. Not sure that beefing up makes any difference to ability though, it certainly didn't help Agbonlahor, and Westwood came back last summer looking like he'd spent all summer lifting weights, but was still as ineffective as ever.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: paul_e on July 08, 2016, 01:41:28 PM: True but one of Bennett's biggest problems was that he was far too easy to push off the ball, if he's managed to fix that then h might be worth another look, better than cissokho anyway.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Mister E on July 08, 2016, 01:44:16 PM: Quote from: paul_e on July 08, 2016, 01:41:28 PM
True but one of Bennett's biggest problems was that he was far too easy to push off the ball, if he's managed to fix that then h might be worth another look, better than cissokho anyway.
Agreed. A regular starter in his loans into the Championship over the last two seasons and better physique may make him a useful resource.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: RussellC on July 08, 2016, 02:31:39 PM: Pat Murphy is suggesting that neither Bamford or Ross McCormack are on our radar. Wonder who RDM is lining-up in that position, as we definitely need a number 9 type player.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on July 08, 2016, 02:55:01 PM: If we keep Ayew it'll need to be an old fashioned number 9 to dovetail with Ayew. I hope that's not Kozak or Gestede.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: RussellC on July 08, 2016, 03:12:19 PM: I think it's a poacher that we need. I know it's a generalisation but the games in the Championship are often more frantic and 'scrappy' and, as such, there a lot more speculative balls played into the box, in my opinion. That's why you often get players who are prolific at that level, but can't step up to the Prem, where you get fewer chances and are forced to play further out of the box more frequently.

Newcastle have signed Dwight Gayle for this very purpose and I think we need a similar player. Maybe someone like Nakhi Wells at Huddersfield?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on July 08, 2016, 03:17:50 PM: Will be interesting to see where Grealish plays - behind the striker, or coming in from the left?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 08, 2016, 03:45:10 PM: Quote from: RussellC on July 08, 2016, 02:31:39 PM
Pat Murphy is suggesting that neither Bamford or Ross McCormack are on our radar. Wonder who RDM is lining-up in that position, as we definitely need a number 9 type player.

While Murphy is pretty good, Im sure that RDM doesn't discuss all his targets with Pat
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: RussellC on July 08, 2016, 03:52:07 PM: Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on July 08, 2016, 03:45:10 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 08, 2016, 02:31:39 PM
Pat Murphy is suggesting that neither Bamford or Ross McCormack are on our radar. Wonder who RDM is lining-up in that position, as we definitely need a number 9 type player.

While Murphy is pretty good, Im sure that RDM doesn't discuss all his targets with Pat

True, but for Murphy to come out and categorically state that neither player are in his thoughts would suggest that he had some indication of that being the case.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 08, 2016, 03:54:27 PM: Quote from: RussellC on July 08, 2016, 03:52:07 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on July 08, 2016, 03:45:10 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 08, 2016, 02:31:39 PM
Pat Murphy is suggesting that neither Bamford or Ross McCormack are on our radar. Wonder who RDM is lining-up in that position, as we definitely need a number 9 type player.

While Murphy is pretty good, Im sure that RDM doesn't discuss all his targets with Pat

True, but for Murphy to come out and categorically state that neither player are in his thoughts would suggest that he had some indication of that being the case.

Maybe mate, I wasn't picking faults with you by the way
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: RussellC on July 08, 2016, 04:11:51 PM: Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on July 08, 2016, 03:54:27 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 08, 2016, 03:52:07 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on July 08, 2016, 03:45:10 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 08, 2016, 02:31:39 PM
Pat Murphy is suggesting that neither Bamford or Ross McCormack are on our radar. Wonder who RDM is lining-up in that position, as we definitely need a number 9 type player.

While Murphy is pretty good, Im sure that RDM doesn't discuss all his targets with Pat

True, but for Murphy to come out and categorically state that neither player are in his thoughts would suggest that he had some indication of that being the case.

Maybe mate, I wasn't picking faults with you by the way

No problem mate- I didn't take it that you were!

From what the journalists are saying it sounds like Rickie Lambert is still very much under consideration, but otherwise it's pretty quiet on an other striker-links.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 08, 2016, 04:22:52 PM: Murphy has been pretty clued in of late with Villa, especially being the better informed of the journalists covering the takeover. He was the one that categorically dismissed the notion that the deal was on the rocks when almost all other media outlets were questioning it. He's been a lot more vocal too regarding us and positive so it wouldn't surprise me if he was being fed a bit more info.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Goldie.7 on July 08, 2016, 04:46:46 PM: Quote from: RussellC on July 08, 2016, 03:12:19 PM
I think we need a similar player. Maybe someone like Nahki Wells at Huddersfield?

With his stats for the last FIVE seasons, definitely a big yes from me.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on July 08, 2016, 05:23:48 PM: Well it won't be Graziano Pelle as hes off to leave Southampton for another Chinese club . One in China for £13 million deal . Another great signings for the Chinese - Shandong Luneng the club in question
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VinnieChase84 on July 08, 2016, 05:29:44 PM: I genuinely think that if we're going to play two up front, then Gestede will get quite a number of goals this season.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on July 08, 2016, 05:47:10 PM: I wonder if Danny Ings or Benik Afobe might be considered?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on July 08, 2016, 05:58:41 PM: Quote from: Newby on July 08, 2016, 05:47:10 PM
I wonder if Danny Ings or Benik Afobe might be considered?

I doubt if they'll sell Afobe so soon after buying him. Ings is possible.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on July 08, 2016, 06:20:47 PM: Quote from: Clampy on July 08, 2016, 05:58:41 PM
Quote from: Newby on July 08, 2016, 05:47:10 PM
I wonder if Danny Ings or Benik Afobe might be considered?

I doubt if they'll sell Afobe so soon after buying him. Ings is possible.

No, Ings isn't possible. Players of that calibre will not join a Championship club.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on July 08, 2016, 06:59:30 PM: Quote from: peter w on July 08, 2016, 06:20:47 PM
Quote from: Clampy on July 08, 2016, 05:58:41 PM
Quote from: Newby on July 08, 2016, 05:47:10 PM
I wonder if Danny Ings or Benik Afobe might be considered?

I doubt if they'll sell Afobe so soon after buying him. Ings is possible.

No, Ings isn't possible. Players of that calibre will not join a Championship club.

What calibre is that?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 08, 2016, 07:19:28 PM: You have to love the Doctors enthusiasm at least.

He posted: 'The club finally signed the talented Italian goalkeeper despite the fact he was being chased by a big club in Serie A and a few other clubs.

'Gollini will be one of the best goalkeepers in the world and has the ability to emulate Buffon in the future. He will be one of the key players in Aston Villa's defensive line with Tommy Elphick.

'And both of them look great！In the next month, more players could join the club. It is a new era for Aston Villa! UP THE VILLA.'
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on July 08, 2016, 07:24:29 PM: Quote from: Clampy on July 08, 2016, 06:59:30 PM
Quote from: peter w on July 08, 2016, 06:20:47 PM
Quote from: Clampy on July 08, 2016, 05:58:41 PM
Quote from: Newby on July 08, 2016, 05:47:10 PM
I wonder if Danny Ings or Benik Afobe might be considered?

I doubt if they'll sell Afobe so soon after buying him. Ings is possible.

No, Ings isn't possible. Players of that calibre will not join a Championship club.

What calibre is that?

Signed by one of the leading clubs in England and just broke into the England international set-up before picking up an injury. That type of calibre.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: eamonn on July 08, 2016, 07:35:48 PM: Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on July 08, 2016, 07:19:28 PM
You have to love the Doctors enthusiasm at least.

He posted: 'The club finally signed the talented Italian goalkeeper despite the fact he was being chased by a big club in Serie A and a few other clubs.

'Gollini will be one of the best goalkeepers in the world and has the ability to emulate Buffon in the future. He will be one of the key players in Aston Villa's defensive line with Tommy Elphick.

'And both of them look great！In the next month, more players could join the club. It is a new era for Aston Villa! UP THE VILLA.'

Who, our Doc Butler, or Mr Xia ?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on July 08, 2016, 07:38:08 PM: Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on July 08, 2016, 07:19:28 PM
You have to love the Doctors enthusiasm at least.

He posted: 'The club finally signed the talented Italian goalkeeper despite the fact he was being chased by a big club in Serie A and a few other clubs.

'Gollini will be one of the best goalkeepers in the world and has the ability to emulate Buffon in the future. He will be one of the key players in Aston Villa's defensive line with Tommy Elphick.

'And both of them look great！In the next month, more players could join the club. It is a new era for Aston Villa! UP THE VILLA.'

Hellfire! The Doc is sounding more and more like the proper Doc!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 08, 2016, 07:52:25 PM: Love the Doc.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on July 08, 2016, 07:58:02 PM: Quote from: peter w on July 08, 2016, 07:24:29 PM
Quote from: Clampy on July 08, 2016, 06:59:30 PM
Quote from: peter w on July 08, 2016, 06:20:47 PM
Quote from: Clampy on July 08, 2016, 05:58:41 PM
Quote from: Newby on July 08, 2016, 05:47:10 PM
I wonder if Danny Ings or Benik Afobe might be considered?

I doubt if they'll sell Afobe so soon after buying him. Ings is possible.

No, Ings isn't possible. Players of that calibre will not join a Championship club.

What calibre is that?

Signed by one of the leading clubs in England and just broke into the England international set-up before picking up an injury. That type of calibre.

That's not calibre, that's just someone who joined a big club then got injured.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: paul_e on July 08, 2016, 08:14:54 PM: Quote from: Clampy on July 08, 2016, 07:58:02 PM
Quote from: peter w on July 08, 2016, 07:24:29 PM
Quote from: Clampy on July 08, 2016, 06:59:30 PM
Quote from: peter w on July 08, 2016, 06:20:47 PM
Quote from: Clampy on July 08, 2016, 05:58:41 PM
Quote from: Newby on July 08, 2016, 05:47:10 PM
I wonder if Danny Ings or Benik Afobe might be considered?

I doubt if they'll sell Afobe so soon after buying him. Ings is possible.

No, Ings isn't possible. Players of that calibre will not join a Championship club.

What calibre is that?

Signed by one of the leading clubs in England and just broke into the England international set-up before picking up an injury. That type of calibre.

That's not calibre, that's just someone who joined a big club then got injured.

yep, in context someone who has played 6 games for a big club and a total of 26minutes under a manager who has just spent £34m on a player in the same position. He won't be available now but if he's struggling to get into their team in the first few games he might be available on loan til Jan towards the end of the window and we'd be high on the list of suitable clubs in that case.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on July 08, 2016, 08:24:03 PM: Last time the Doc was this positive and things felt this good we ended up in the 3rd division.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on July 08, 2016, 08:50:53 PM: One journalist said RDM may wait for premier league sides to buy and see if some come available this summer. That's a sensible strategy with the money being spent. If he can get a couple of really decent loans come late August it might be ideal. Looking at Gollini and Tshibola I think one forward will be in a similar talented with potential to improve range.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tony Erdington on July 08, 2016, 09:26:00 PM: Quote from: Clampy on July 08, 2016, 06:59:30 PM
Quote from: peter w on July 08, 2016, 06:20:47 PM
Quote from: Clampy on July 08, 2016, 05:58:41 PM
Quote from: Newby on July 08, 2016, 05:47:10 PM
I wonder if Danny Ings or Benik Afobe might be considered?

I doubt if they'll sell Afobe so soon after buying him. Ings is possible.

No, Ings isn't possible. Players of that calibre will not join a Championship club.

What calibre is that?

I think its low alcoholic % lager
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 08, 2016, 09:30:24 PM: Lawrie McMenemy swears by it. Or is that Barbican?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on July 08, 2016, 10:11:08 PM: That was Shakespeare
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 08, 2016, 10:21:01 PM: Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on July 08, 2016, 07:19:28 PM
You have to love the Doctors enthusiasm at least.

He posted: 'The club finally signed the talented Italian goalkeeper despite the fact he was being chased by a big club in Serie A and a few other clubs.

'Gollini will be one of the best goalkeepers in the world and has the ability to emulate Buffon in the future. He will be one of the key players in Aston Villa's defensive line with Tommy Elphick.

'And both of them look great！In the next month, more players could join the club. It is a new era for Aston Villa! UP THE VILLA.'

I am sure I will be cycnical about this kind of thing in a year or two but honestly I find his enthususiam rather touching and uplifting.

Good for you Dr.X! UTV indeed!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Stirchley Villain on July 08, 2016, 10:51:29 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 08, 2016, 07:52:25 PM
Love the Doc.

Just don't leave him alone with your wife...
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: BegbieAV on July 09, 2016, 11:08:05 PM: Take a gamble on Assombalonga he's scored 65 in 139 appearances. Big man, little man with Rudy up front.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mattjpa on July 10, 2016, 06:58:27 AM: Sessengnon and anichebe have left the Albion. I think Clarke signed anichebe there and initially got a song out of him. Both would be worth a trial though although maybe not an upgrade on what we already have to be fair
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Mister E on July 10, 2016, 09:51:14 AM: Quote from: mattjpa on July 10, 2016, 06:58:27 AM
Sessengnon and anichebe have left the Albion. I think Clarke signed anichebe there and initially got a song out of him. Both would be worth a trial though although maybe not an upgrade on what we already have to be fair
Anchovy has not really done it either at the Bitters or at Bluescouse.
Sessegnon blows very hot and cold.
No, from me.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Richard on July 10, 2016, 10:51:52 AM: Looking at the line ups yesterday what we need more than anything is pace in midfield and up front, am hoping the Reading guy fits the bill but definitely not Anichibe etc
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 10, 2016, 11:36:13 AM: I've had my fill of 2nd rate players looking for one more bumper pension top up. Young and talented is the way to go, as we have with Gollini and the Reading guy (hopefully). We have enough seasoned players already to supplement yoof.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: OCD on July 10, 2016, 01:17:21 PM: I essentially agree but would still like a few pro's sprinkled around the place who can guide the young players in the right way. They would have to be the right types though - not one's looking for their final pay day but one's who are genuine pro's. Elphick looks to be one, Petrov would be another if he's fit - those types.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 10, 2016, 01:20:37 PM: Interesting that early reports are that some of our pros have really knuckled down this pre season. They won't all be here come the end of the window but you have to wonder who will be. At least encouraging. Bringing in Elphick and Petrov has been good moves and I can see Stan staying in some capacity even if not on a playing contract, which I believe he'll earn.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on July 10, 2016, 02:00:58 PM: I think we are a decent striker away from being a really decent squad. Bennett and Amavi down the left might be some force this season.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 10, 2016, 02:03:55 PM: Jack needs good leadership and mentoring. If he gets it he'll tear the Championship a new one. I like that he has posted a few things about Stan recently. Precisely the type of guidance he needs.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: AV89 on July 10, 2016, 02:08:54 PM: Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 10, 2016, 02:03:55 PM
Jack needs good leadership and mentoring. If he gets it he'll tear the Championship a new one. I like that he has posted a few things about Stan recently. Precisely the type of guidance he needs.

Was thinking that myself TV. Far better than knocking about with the likes of Captain Marvel Gabby
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Neil Hawkes on July 10, 2016, 02:30:20 PM: Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 10, 2016, 01:20:37 PM
Interesting that early reports are that some of our pros have really knuckled down this pre season. They won't all be here come the end of the window but you have to wonder who will be. At least encouraging. Bringing in Elphick and Petrov has been good moves and I can see Stan staying in some capacity even if not on a playing contract, which I believe he'll earn.

With Elphick & Stan in the dressing room, I severely doubt there will be any of the 'f**king around' behaviour from last season.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 10, 2016, 05:21:51 PM: I'd love for us to get someone in like Rashford. He's going to be marginalised at Man U because Mourinho will want his own players in that cost him money. He's never really embraced youth or younger players. I think he'd be superb in the Championship.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KRS on July 10, 2016, 05:21:55 PM: So we currently have Ayew, Gestede, Gabby and Kozak...how many of these should be sold and replaced?

I can't see us being able to get rid of Gabby and I'd like us to keep hold of Ayew, so it would be Gestede and Kozak to go for me.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KRS on July 10, 2016, 05:24:51 PM: Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 10, 2016, 05:21:51 PM
I'd love for us to get someone in like Rashford. He's going to be marginalised at Man U because Mourinho will want his own players in that cost him money. He's never really embraced youth or younger players. I think he'd be superb in the Championship.
Rashford will have a big season at Man Utd. No doubt he'd destroy in the Championship but he's very much a PL player and will get plenty of game time at Man Utd this season.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 10, 2016, 05:32:27 PM: Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 10, 2016, 05:21:51 PM
I'd love for us to get someone in like Rashford. He's going to be marginalised at Man U because Mourinho will want his own players in that cost him money. He's never really embraced youth or younger players. I think he'd be superb in the Championship.

I agree but I think he's gone a bit above the Championship now, there would be plenty of offers from the PL I suspect. Of a similar ilk is that Ihenacho (sp?) at Man City. Ideally we'd arrange a two year loan (like Celtic have with Roberts) on the basis that they would stay if we are promoted.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 10, 2016, 05:34:50 PM: Quote from: KRS on July 10, 2016, 05:21:55 PM
So we currently have Ayew, Gestede, Gabby and Kozak...how many of these should be sold and replaced?

I can't see us being able to get rid of Gabby and I'd like us to keep hold of Ayew, so it would be Gestede and Kozak to go for me.

I'd have thought that Gabby has pretty much burnt his bridges with the club after last season's debacle. Whilst Black was a tit most of the time it appears the club backed him when suspending him and docking the wages, so I'd suspect/hope there is no way back for him now.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Rudy65 on July 10, 2016, 05:35:21 PM: Quote from: KRS on July 10, 2016, 05:24:51 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 10, 2016, 05:21:51 PM
I'd love for us to get someone in like Rashford. He's going to be marginalised at Man U because Mourinho will want his own players in that cost him money. He's never really embraced youth or younger players. I think he'd be superb in the Championship.
Rashford will have a big season at Man Utd. No doubt he'd destroy in the Championship but he's very much a PL player and will get plenty of game time at Man Utd this season.

In know what you are saying. But will he? Ibra will have something in his contract meaning he plays so many games. Mourinho doesnt see Rooney as anything other than a forward so Rashfords games time may be limited. That said he isnt coming to the championship
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 10, 2016, 05:40:58 PM: The Championship would be the perfect development arena for a player like Rashford. I think Mourinho will still go after another forward and Rashford when he plays will get shunted out on to the wing. Not saying he'd come or be willing to drop a division but playing on a regular basis will do way more for his career and England than being sat on the bench.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: four fornicholl on July 10, 2016, 05:47:43 PM: But with our past reputation,could we be trusted with a rough diamond like Rashford? I doubt it very much. :-[
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 10, 2016, 05:58:09 PM: Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 10, 2016, 05:40:58 PM
The Championship would be the perfect development arena for a player like Rashford. I think Mourinho will still go after another forward and Rashford when he plays will get shunted out on to the wing. Not saying he'd come or be willing to drop a division but playing on a regular basis will do way more for his career and England than being sat on the bench.

dont think their fans would like that
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 10, 2016, 06:02:21 PM: Quote from: four fornicholl on July 10, 2016, 05:47:43 PM
But with our past reputation,could we be trusted with a rough diamond like Rashford? I doubt it very much. :-[

When you refer to the past how far back are you going?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: The Edge on July 10, 2016, 06:11:04 PM: Quote from: VILLA MOLE on July 10, 2016, 05:58:09 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 10, 2016, 05:40:58 PM
The Championship would be the perfect development arena for a player like Rashford. I think Mourinho will still go after another forward and Rashford when he plays will get shunted out on to the wing. Not saying he'd come or be willing to drop a division but playing on a regular basis will do way more for his career and England than being sat on the bench.

dont think their fans would like that
Who cares? Glory hunting bastards ; )
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: four fornicholl on July 10, 2016, 06:21:53 PM: Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 10, 2016, 06:02:21 PM
Quote from: four fornicholl on July 10, 2016, 05:47:43 PM
But with our past reputation,could we be trusted with a rough diamond like Rashford? I doubt it very much. :-[

When you refer to the past how far back are you going?
About 10 years. I seriously cant think of a PL beater, never mind a world beater, which he undoubtedly is.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 10, 2016, 06:25:36 PM: I certainly wouldn't be calling any England player a world beater. It's precisely that kind of nonsense that has us where we are as an international football nation. My point is why couldn't he develop with us? The right coaching, a positive environment, hopefully a successful season.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: four fornicholl on July 10, 2016, 06:28:59 PM: Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 10, 2016, 06:25:36 PM
I certainly wouldn't be calling any England player a world beater. It's precisely that kind of nonsense that has us where we are as an international football nation. My point is why couldn't he develop with us? The right coaching, a positive environment, hopefully a successful season.
My point is in recent history, which teenager have we properly developed.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 10, 2016, 06:31:54 PM: As I said in the Bennett tread, since Houllier, how many players can we say have improved much at B6 apart from Delph and Benteke? That has to be down to managers and coaches as not every player we've had is crap.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on July 10, 2016, 07:31:47 PM: Ings...Rashford...they are some seriously deluded people on here.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Risso on July 10, 2016, 07:36:30 PM: Quote from: peter w on July 10, 2016, 07:31:47 PM
Ings...Rashford...they are some seriously deluded people on here.

Bloody hell. Maybe we could do a deal with the Spanish government and offer to let them sentence Messi to two years playing at Villa Park on parole instead of going to prison. Or would that be a cruel and unusual punishment and therefore be banned by the ECHR?!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: not3bad on July 10, 2016, 07:36:55 PM: Quote from: four fornicholl on July 10, 2016, 06:28:59 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 10, 2016, 06:25:36 PM
I certainly wouldn't be calling any England player a world beater. It's precisely that kind of nonsense that has us where we are as an international football nation. My point is why couldn't he develop with us? The right coaching, a positive environment, hopefully a successful season.
My point is in recent history, which teenager have we properly developed.

Kyle Walker was on loan at Villa and it didn't do him any harm.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: four fornicholl on July 10, 2016, 07:45:00 PM: Quote from: not3bad on July 10, 2016, 07:36:55 PM
Quote from: four fornicholl on July 10, 2016, 06:28:59 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 10, 2016, 06:25:36 PM
I certainly wouldn't be calling any England player a world beater. It's precisely that kind of nonsense that has us where we are as an international football nation. My point is why couldn't he develop with us? The right coaching, a positive environment, hopefully a successful season.
My point is in recent history, which teenager have we properly developed.

Kyle Walker was on loan at Villa and it didn't do him any harm.
We borrowed him and he soon shot off IIRC, he reckoned he wanted to stay but that was bollox
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on July 10, 2016, 07:55:50 PM: Quote from: peter w on July 10, 2016, 07:31:47 PM
Ings...Rashford...they are some seriously deluded people on here.

got to agree, especially rashford. the kid was banging them in in the prem but would benefit from a season in the championship :o
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 10, 2016, 07:56:49 PM: I reckon there's more chance of me playing up front for us than Rashford.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: olaftab on July 10, 2016, 07:59:25 PM: Quote from: not3bad on July 10, 2016, 07:36:55 PM
Kyle Walker was on loan at Villa and it didn't do him any harm.
No but it do us harm that we eventually ended up being relegated partially due to not fixing our problems properly. Loans only benefit player and his owners.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Risso on July 10, 2016, 08:00:08 PM: Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 10, 2016, 05:40:58 PM
The Championship would be the perfect development arena for a player like Rashford. I think Mourinho will still go after another forward and Rashford when he plays will get shunted out on to the wing. Not saying he'd come or be willing to drop a division but playing on a regular basis will do way more for his career and England than being sat on the bench.

I think he'll play an awful lot of games next season. Mourinho will soon suss out Rooney, and he'll be the one on the bench. Even if he felt that Rashford needed a season on loan somewhere, he'd never let him go to the Championship. It would be far more beneficial to loan him to somebody like Burnley or Bournemouth where his goals might take points off Man U's rivals.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on July 10, 2016, 09:08:33 PM: I wonder if it'd be worth having a look at Blackett? I think Man U have released him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 10, 2016, 09:12:25 PM: Quote from: peter w on July 10, 2016, 09:08:33 PM
I wonder if it'd be worth having a look at Blackett? I think Man U have released him.

another centre half though, I suppose it depends who we get rid of in that area
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: paul_e on July 10, 2016, 09:39:31 PM: Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on July 10, 2016, 07:55:50 PM
Quote from: peter w on July 10, 2016, 07:31:47 PM
Ings...Rashford...they are some seriously deluded people on here.

got to agree, especially rashford. the kid was banging them in in the prem but would benefit from a season in the championship :o

because no young player has ever come through and then struggled to replicate that form the next season.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on July 10, 2016, 10:51:37 PM: Quote from: paul_e on July 10, 2016, 09:39:31 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on July 10, 2016, 07:55:50 PM
Quote from: peter w on July 10, 2016, 07:31:47 PM
Ings...Rashford...they are some seriously deluded people on here.

got to agree, especially rashford. the kid was banging them in in the prem but would benefit from a season in the championship :o

because no young player has ever come through and then struggled to replicate that form the next season.

Yes, but that hypothetical player isn't sent on loan to the league below before being given a chance to try and replicate it.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: paul_e on July 10, 2016, 11:14:40 PM: Quote from: Dave on July 10, 2016, 10:51:37 PM
Quote from: paul_e on July 10, 2016, 09:39:31 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on July 10, 2016, 07:55:50 PM
Quote from: peter w on July 10, 2016, 07:31:47 PM
Ings...Rashford...they are some seriously deluded people on here.

got to agree, especially rashford. the kid was banging them in in the prem but would benefit from a season in the championship :o

because no young player has ever come through and then struggled to replicate that form the next season.

Yes, but that hypothetical player isn't sent on loan to the league below before being given a chance to try and replicate it.

Oh no I agree, Rashford won't be available next month, I wouldn't be surprised if he's available in January though.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 10, 2016, 11:17:51 PM: The only way we'll see Rashford down B6 in January is when Manure stroll into the 4th round.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: RussellC on July 10, 2016, 11:29:10 PM: Quite a few rumours online tonight about the club being in for Jonathan Kodjia at Bristol City. Scored a fair-few goals in a struggling side last season by all accounts.

That said, as others have mentioned, we currently have 4 senior strikers in the squad, so would be surprised if we bring in another before letting at least one go.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: paul_e on July 10, 2016, 11:36:02 PM: I doubt we will but I think there are plenty of other reasons before you get to him scoring a few goals last year meaning that he's now an established premier league player.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on July 10, 2016, 11:37:14 PM: I agree RussellC, however, I'm sure we have outgoing deals in the pipeline but RDM has already said that he wants to see the bulk of the squad play before allowing them to leave. Westwood, Sinclair are two potential examples, maybe.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: RussellC on July 10, 2016, 11:44:12 PM: You're probably right Newby. Although, aside from Gabby, I'd actually like to keep all of our strikers. When you look at the impact that average target-man strikers like Chris Martin have had in The Championship, I reckon Kozak (IF injury-free) could be a big asset this season. Ditto Gestede if RDM can find a player or two who can cross the ball (again why Bennett may be brought back into the fold).

I also saw a couple of rumours on Twitter earlier that we have ear-marked Callum McManaman as a replacement for Sinclair should Celtic meet the £6m asking price. Was good at Wigan but done almost nothing at WBA, so not too sure about that one...
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on July 11, 2016, 12:08:19 AM: Good player McManaman, would be a good bit of business. I suspect that we want around £3mill for Sinclair but will put out the old 'undisclosed' tag when he's sold. I can't see us overpricing him and losing the deal, unless Celtic are taking the piss with continuous low bids.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: eamonn on July 11, 2016, 01:12:22 AM: Quote from: RussellC on July 10, 2016, 11:29:10 PM
Quite a few rumours online tonight about the club being in for Jonathan Kodjia at Bristol City. Scored a fair-few goals in a struggling side last season by all accounts.

That said, as others have mentioned, we currently have 4 senior strikers in the squad, so would be surprised if we bring in another before letting at least one go.

We already have one Kojak.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on July 11, 2016, 07:15:10 AM: Quote from: peter w on July 10, 2016, 07:31:47 PM
Ings...Rashford...they are some seriously deluded people on here.

Rashford, not a chance. There's nothing deluded about thinking Ings might drop down a division maybe on loan for a season after his long lay off.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on July 11, 2016, 08:02:55 AM: Quote from: Clampy on July 11, 2016, 07:15:10 AM
Quote from: peter w on July 10, 2016, 07:31:47 PM
Ings...Rashford...they are some seriously deluded people on here.

Rashford, not a chance. There's nothing deluded about thinking Ings might drop down a division maybe on loan for a season after his long lay off.

I agree with most things you say Clampy but I'd imagine a handful of clubs in the premier league would have Ings in a flash.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: RussellC on July 11, 2016, 08:12:04 AM: If Ings was available, I'd imagine that Burnley would be the obvious destination.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on July 11, 2016, 08:59:25 AM: Yes because what a player who has played in the Premier League and scored goals, got a move to one if the top English clubs, broke into the national set-up will be thinking is, "I need to get back to the level that earned me a move to Liverpool and England recognition. I know what is best for my career at this point, a year in the Championship".

Come on. It's ludicrous to even consider it.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: nigel on July 11, 2016, 10:44:23 AM: Quote from: peter w on July 11, 2016, 08:59:25 AM
Yes because what a player who has played in the Premier League and scored goals, got a move to one if the top English clubs, broke into the national set-up will be thinking is, "I need to get back to the level that earned me a move to Liverpool and England recognition. I know what is best for my career at this point, a year in the Championship".

Come on. It's ludicrous to even consider it.

You may be right, but, we are Aston Villa, a big club who are going to rise from the ashes. I can see players being attracted to that.
Newcastle, in fairness, would have the same pull.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: paul_e on July 11, 2016, 11:04:38 AM: Ings is a tough one, he'a good player who missed most of last season with an injury but he's at club with a very high profile manager who will be throwing money around this summer because they really need to push for the top 4 next season. Without konwing what Klopp thinks of him from training it's hard to get an angle on how involved he'll be so early season will be important. If he's not involved at all then they may consider loaning him out late in the window. If that happens then it's all about what he wants to do next. If he wants to move on then a loan in the PL might be best but if he wants to go back to Liverpool and show he deserves a chance then maybe guaranteed starts at a level where he'll score for fun in a team that is probably too good for the division might be a good idea, making us and Newcastle much more tempting.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 11, 2016, 12:43:50 PM: Quote from: peter w on July 11, 2016, 08:59:25 AM
Yes because what a player who has played in the Premier League and scored goals, got a move to one if the top English clubs, broke into the national set-up will be thinking is, "I need to get back to the level that earned me a move to Liverpool and England recognition. I know what is best for my career at this point, a year in the Championship".

Come on. It's ludicrous to even consider it.

And what if he disappears after his breakthrough season? It's not like that hasn't happened before to others. And I would argue that it is one of the many reasons why England will never again win another tournament because young players accept sitting on the bench too readily. That playing regular football and learning your trade is somehow beneath them. Rashford might be the opposite and he might break into the Man U team and keep his spot. But there's plenty of evidence to support he notion that season 2 is a lot harder than the first and he might regress in his development at a time we would all hope as supporters of our national program he improves.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Stirchley Villain on July 11, 2016, 12:50:46 PM: Quote from: nigel on July 11, 2016, 10:44:23 AM
Quote from: peter w on July 11, 2016, 08:59:25 AM
Yes because what a player who has played in the Premier League and scored goals, got a move to one if the top English clubs, broke into the national set-up will be thinking is, "I need to get back to the level that earned me a move to Liverpool and England recognition. I know what is best for my career at this point, a year in the Championship".

Come on. It's ludicrous to even consider it.

You may be right, but, we are Aston Villa, a big club who are going to rise from the ashes. I can see players being attracted to that.
Newcastle, in fairness, would have the same pull.

We struggled to get good players to either sign for us or stay with us when we were top 6 to be fair.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on July 11, 2016, 01:53:34 PM: Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 11, 2016, 12:43:50 PM
Quote from: peter w on July 11, 2016, 08:59:25 AM
Yes because what a player who has played in the Premier League and scored goals, got a move to one if the top English clubs, broke into the national set-up will be thinking is, "I need to get back to the level that earned me a move to Liverpool and England recognition. I know what is best for my career at this point, a year in the Championship".

Come on. It's ludicrous to even consider it.

And what if he disappears after his breakthrough season? It's not like that hasn't happened before to others. And I would argue that it is one of the many reasons why England will never again win another tournament because young players accept sitting on the bench too readily. That playing regular football and learning your trade is somehow beneath them. Rashford might be the opposite and he might break into the Man U team and keep his spot. But there's plenty of evidence to support he notion that season 2 is a lot harder than the first and he might regress in his development at a time we would all hope as supporters of our national program he improves.

Yes he might go backwards. Second season and all that but players don't know that unless they have a go. Liverpool and Ings will be hoping that he gets up to fitness and pushes on. I doubt either them or he are in anyway contemplating a year of dropping his standards. Maybe in January or next summer, but now? No point.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on July 11, 2016, 01:58:06 PM: Quote from: peter w on July 11, 2016, 01:53:34 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 11, 2016, 12:43:50 PM
Quote from: peter w on July 11, 2016, 08:59:25 AM
Yes because what a player who has played in the Premier League and scored goals, got a move to one if the top English clubs, broke into the national set-up will be thinking is, "I need to get back to the level that earned me a move to Liverpool and England recognition. I know what is best for my career at this point, a year in the Championship".

Come on. It's ludicrous to even consider it.

And what if he disappears after his breakthrough season? It's not like that hasn't happened before to others. And I would argue that it is one of the many reasons why England will never again win another tournament because young players accept sitting on the bench too readily. That playing regular football and learning your trade is somehow beneath them. Rashford might be the opposite and he might break into the Man U team and keep his spot. But there's plenty of evidence to support he notion that season 2 is a lot harder than the first and he might regress in his development at a time we would all hope as supporters of our national program he improves.

Yes he might go backwards. Second season and all that but players don't know that unless they have a go. Liverpool and Ings will be hoping that he gets up to fitness and pushes on. I doubt either them or he are in anyway contemplating a year of dropping his standards. Maybe in January or next summer, but now? No point.

The thing is, you've used the words 'deluded and ludicrous'. You're almost making it sound like we're discussing Lionel Messi.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 11, 2016, 02:08:37 PM: Quote from: Clampy on July 11, 2016, 01:58:06 PM
Quote from: peter w on July 11, 2016, 01:53:34 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 11, 2016, 12:43:50 PM
Quote from: peter w on July 11, 2016, 08:59:25 AM
Yes because what a player who has played in the Premier League and scored goals, got a move to one if the top English clubs, broke into the national set-up will be thinking is, "I need to get back to the level that earned me a move to Liverpool and England recognition. I know what is best for my career at this point, a year in the Championship".

Come on. It's ludicrous to even consider it.

And what if he disappears after his breakthrough season? It's not like that hasn't happened before to others. And I would argue that it is one of the many reasons why England will never again win another tournament because young players accept sitting on the bench too readily. That playing regular football and learning your trade is somehow beneath them. Rashford might be the opposite and he might break into the Man U team and keep his spot. But there's plenty of evidence to support he notion that season 2 is a lot harder than the first and he might regress in his development at a time we would all hope as supporters of our national program he improves.

Yes he might go backwards. Second season and all that but players don't know that unless they have a go. Liverpool and Ings will be hoping that he gets up to fitness and pushes on. I doubt either them or he are in anyway contemplating a year of dropping his standards. Maybe in January or next summer, but now? No point.

The thing is, you've used the words 'deluded and ludicrous'. You're almost making it sound like we're discussing Lionel Messi.

Precisely. It's Marcus Rashford we are discussing or Danny Ings. When I think Rashford I see Macheda who was brilliant for a bit and then ended up disappearing from his early lofty heights. Rashford is 18, played 11 times for Man U and broke into the England set up as much because others around him were injured and because frankly our options as a nation up front are awful. There is no doubt he has done well, but he has a long way to go before cementing himself as a regular at PL or national team level.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 11, 2016, 02:13:41 PM: Macheda never looked brilliant though, unless he was playing us.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 11, 2016, 02:16:04 PM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on July 11, 2016, 02:13:41 PM
Macheda never looked brilliant though, unless he was playing us.

we have had quite a few of those
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 11, 2016, 02:17:42 PM: Quote from: VILLA MOLE on July 11, 2016, 02:16:04 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on July 11, 2016, 02:13:41 PM
Macheda never looked brilliant though, unless he was playing us.

we have had quite a few of those

Haha ain't that the truth. We have had this uncanny knack of making the most awful out of form forwards look world beaters against us. Need a goal, play the Villa. Or as Gregg would say "the claret and blues". Wanker
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: chrisw1 on July 11, 2016, 04:02:58 PM: Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 11, 2016, 02:08:37 PM
Quote from: Clampy on July 11, 2016, 01:58:06 PM
Quote from: peter w on July 11, 2016, 01:53:34 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 11, 2016, 12:43:50 PM
Quote from: peter w on July 11, 2016, 08:59:25 AM
Yes because what a player who has played in the Premier League and scored goals, got a move to one if the top English clubs, broke into the national set-up will be thinking is, "I need to get back to the level that earned me a move to Liverpool and England recognition. I know what is best for my career at this point, a year in the Championship".

Come on. It's ludicrous to even consider it.

And what if he disappears after his breakthrough season? It's not like that hasn't happened before to others. And I would argue that it is one of the many reasons why England will never again win another tournament because young players accept sitting on the bench too readily. That playing regular football and learning your trade is somehow beneath them. Rashford might be the opposite and he might break into the Man U team and keep his spot. But there's plenty of evidence to support he notion that season 2 is a lot harder than the first and he might regress in his development at a time we would all hope as supporters of our national program he improves.

Yes he might go backwards. Second season and all that but players don't know that unless they have a go. Liverpool and Ings will be hoping that he gets up to fitness and pushes on. I doubt either them or he are in anyway contemplating a year of dropping his standards. Maybe in January or next summer, but now? No point.

The thing is, you've used the words 'deluded and ludicrous'. You're almost making it sound like we're discussing Lionel Messi.

Precisely. It's Marcus Rashford we are discussing or Danny Ings. When I think Rashford I see Macheda who was brilliant for a bit and then ended up disappearing from his early lofty heights. Rashford is 18, played 11 times for Man U and broke into the England set up as much because others around him were injured and because frankly our options as a nation up front are awful. There is no doubt he has done well, but he has a long way to go before cementing himself as a regular at PL or national team level.

That's not the point. Why on earth would either contemplate dropping a division now? To pre-empt them becoming shit rather than actually doing their best to be successful? It's frankly a ridiculous debate and I think the word deluded is perfectly appropriate.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Risso on July 11, 2016, 04:18:55 PM: We'll be reacquainted with Macheda this season.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ldavfc4eva on July 11, 2016, 04:33:49 PM: Not linked with us but Burnley have had a £3 million bid rejected for Jeff Hendrick, not a bad player for a million more if we could shift Westwood to Burnley for a similar fee.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 11, 2016, 04:38:05 PM: Quote from: chrisw1 on July 11, 2016, 04:02:58 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 11, 2016, 02:08:37 PM
Quote from: Clampy on July 11, 2016, 01:58:06 PM
Quote from: peter w on July 11, 2016, 01:53:34 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 11, 2016, 12:43:50 PM
Quote from: peter w on July 11, 2016, 08:59:25 AM
Yes because what a player who has played in the Premier League and scored goals, got a move to one if the top English clubs, broke into the national set-up will be thinking is, "I need to get back to the level that earned me a move to Liverpool and England recognition. I know what is best for my career at this point, a year in the Championship".

Come on. It's ludicrous to even consider it.

And what if he disappears after his breakthrough season? It's not like that hasn't happened before to others. And I would argue that it is one of the many reasons why England will never again win another tournament because young players accept sitting on the bench too readily. That playing regular football and learning your trade is somehow beneath them. Rashford might be the opposite and he might break into the Man U team and keep his spot. But there's plenty of evidence to support he notion that season 2 is a lot harder than the first and he might regress in his development at a time we would all hope as supporters of our national program he improves.

Yes he might go backwards. Second season and all that but players don't know that unless they have a go. Liverpool and Ings will be hoping that he gets up to fitness and pushes on. I doubt either them or he are in anyway contemplating a year of dropping his standards. Maybe in January or next summer, but now? No point.

The thing is, you've used the words 'deluded and ludicrous'. You're almost making it sound like we're discussing Lionel Messi.

Precisely. It's Marcus Rashford we are discussing or Danny Ings. When I think Rashford I see Macheda who was brilliant for a bit and then ended up disappearing from his early lofty heights. Rashford is 18, played 11 times for Man U and broke into the England set up as much because others around him were injured and because frankly our options as a nation up front are awful. There is no doubt he has done well, but he has a long way to go before cementing himself as a regular at PL or national team level.

That's not the point. Why on earth would either contemplate dropping a division now? To pre-empt them becoming shit rather than actually doing their best to be successful? It's frankly a ridiculous debate and I think the word deluded is perfectly appropriate.

If you think it's ludicrous then don't engage in the debate. What's ludicrous is that an 18 year old player who is good and has had a good start to his career but hardly much more is being heralded as so much more than that. And that he is so amazing that he shouldn't consider career development outside of the PL, or that we have such a low self esteem that it shouldn't even be contemplated. That we should set our targets much, much lower than that.

The whole point of me mentioning his name is that players like Rashford, with the introduction of a manager like Mourinho might see his playing time curtailed. Add to the fact it is his second season and teams will be wiser to his presence. Young players suffer dips in form and confidence. We shouldn't so readily dismiss that this might happen and a move to a club like us who should have a good season in a lower tier might be a good thing, versus struggling to get noticed or joining a side at the arse end of the PL. Bloody hell you'd think I suggested a loan for Danny Welbeck or another fringe but established English PL player.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on July 11, 2016, 04:41:09 PM: Quote from: RussellC on July 10, 2016, 11:29:10 PM
Quite a few rumours online tonight about the club being in for Jonathan Kodjia at Bristol City. Scored a fair-few goals in a struggling side last season by all accounts.

That said, as others have mentioned, we currently have 4 senior strikers in the squad, so would be surprised if we bring in another before letting at least one go.

See I think someone like him would be a more realistic target than some of the names mentioned, as would be the Forest player mentioned in an earlier post. We could really do with this season's Andre Grey or Callum Wilson.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on July 11, 2016, 04:45:09 PM: Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 11, 2016, 04:38:05 PM
Quote from: chrisw1 on July 11, 2016, 04:02:58 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 11, 2016, 02:08:37 PM
Quote from: Clampy on July 11, 2016, 01:58:06 PM
Quote from: peter w on July 11, 2016, 01:53:34 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 11, 2016, 12:43:50 PM
Quote from: peter w on July 11, 2016, 08:59:25 AM
Yes because what a player who has played in the Premier League and scored goals, got a move to one if the top English clubs, broke into the national set-up will be thinking is, "I need to get back to the level that earned me a move to Liverpool and England recognition. I know what is best for my career at this point, a year in the Championship".

Come on. It's ludicrous to even consider it.

And what if he disappears after his breakthrough season? It's not like that hasn't happened before to others. And I would argue that it is one of the many reasons why England will never again win another tournament because young players accept sitting on the bench too readily. That playing regular football and learning your trade is somehow beneath them. Rashford might be the opposite and he might break into the Man U team and keep his spot. But there's plenty of evidence to support he notion that season 2 is a lot harder than the first and he might regress in his development at a time we would all hope as supporters of our national program he improves.

Yes he might go backwards. Second season and all that but players don't know that unless they have a go. Liverpool and Ings will be hoping that he gets up to fitness and pushes on. I doubt either them or he are in anyway contemplating a year of dropping his standards. Maybe in January or next summer, but now? No point.

The thing is, you've used the words 'deluded and ludicrous'. You're almost making it sound like we're discussing Lionel Messi.

Precisely. It's Marcus Rashford we are discussing or Danny Ings. When I think Rashford I see Macheda who was brilliant for a bit and then ended up disappearing from his early lofty heights. Rashford is 18, played 11 times for Man U and broke into the England set up as much because others around him were injured and because frankly our options as a nation up front are awful. There is no doubt he has done well, but he has a long way to go before cementing himself as a regular at PL or national team level.

That's not the point. Why on earth would either contemplate dropping a division now? To pre-empt them becoming shit rather than actually doing their best to be successful? It's frankly a ridiculous debate and I think the word deluded is perfectly appropriate.

If you think it's ludicrous then don't engage in the debate. What's ludicrous is that an 18 year old player who is good and has had a good start to his career but hardly much more is being heralded as so much more than that. And that he is so amazing that he shouldn't consider career development outside of the PL, or that we have such a low self esteem that it shouldn't even be contemplated. That we should set our targets much, much lower than that.

The whole point of me mentioning his name is that players like Rashford, with the introduction of a manager like Mourinho might see his playing time curtailed. Add to the fact it is his second season and teams will be wiser to his presence. Young players suffer dips in form and confidence. We shouldn't so readily dismiss that this might happen and a move to a club like us who should have a good season in a lower tier might be a good thing, versus struggling to get noticed or joining a side at the arse end of the PL. Bloody hell you'd think I suggested a loan for Danny Welbeck or another fringe but established English PL player.

Manchester United's best prospect on loan? Come on! More likely than not he will have limited game time but he'll be sat on their bench.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 11, 2016, 04:52:10 PM: It's not something would happen right now. Rashford is going to feel he has every chance to prove himself. But once the season is underway it might start to emerge that he isn't getting the playing time he wants. It might be a January thing. I'm just saying not to summarily dismiss it. This is a side that is going to spend hundreds of millions on new talent to bridge the gap to make a run at the title.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 11, 2016, 05:04:44 PM: with respect, if Rashford were to be loaned out, there would be lots of clubs ahead of us in what would be a lengthy queue
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Stirchley Villain on July 11, 2016, 05:41:55 PM: No chance of Rashford. Or Ings for that matter.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: A Northern Soul on July 11, 2016, 06:43:29 PM: SSN reporting Marseille have triggered a £7.1m release clause for Gana
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: johnny from donny on July 11, 2016, 06:51:56 PM: Quote from: A Northern Soul on July 11, 2016, 06:43:29 PM
SSN reporting Marseille have triggered a £7.1m release clause for Gana

Just saw on their website that they've opened talks with Villa after triggering the release clause. If they've triggered the clause, what else are they in talks over? Instalments maybe?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on July 11, 2016, 06:54:22 PM: Quote from: A Northern Soul on July 11, 2016, 06:43:29 PM
SSN reporting Marseille have triggered a £7.1m release clause for Gana

That's less than we paid for him isn't it? Surely even the previous set up wouldn't have been that stupid?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oldhill_avfc on July 11, 2016, 07:00:31 PM: Still more than he's worth. Snap their hands off.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on July 11, 2016, 07:00:38 PM: In line with the wage deduction he will have taken. Plus he's crap.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 11, 2016, 07:06:43 PM: I like him and I think he'll get better. I won't be crying if we get £7.1 million though.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on July 11, 2016, 07:24:12 PM: Quote from: tomd2103 on July 11, 2016, 06:54:22 PM
Quote from: A Northern Soul on July 11, 2016, 06:43:29 PM
SSN reporting Marseille have triggered a £7.1m release clause for Gana

That's less than we paid for him isn't it? Surely even the previous set up wouldn't have been that stupid?

I don't think what we paid for him was ever officially disclosed. Figures of between £7m and £10m were mooted, so it could be what we paid.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on July 11, 2016, 07:25:23 PM: Gana wants out and he's bang average as it is. Take the money and re-invest it in the squad.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Stirchley Villain on July 11, 2016, 07:27:56 PM: Goodbye Gana. Thanks for very little. Let's use the 7.1M wisely.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VinnieChase84 on July 11, 2016, 07:34:53 PM: I would use the Gana money to get in Hendrick from Derby. Rumoured to be wanting £6-7m for him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: curiousorange on July 11, 2016, 07:37:18 PM: I'm not usually bothered when our players are signed by continental clubs, since they can't immediately come back to haunt us. I'm bothered even less when they're mediocre.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 11, 2016, 07:44:32 PM: Quote from: VinnieChase84 on July 11, 2016, 07:34:53 PM
I would use the Gana money to get in Hendrick from Derby. Rumoured to be wanting £6-7m for him.

Yeah I think he'd be a good addition.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 11, 2016, 07:48:40 PM: Gana's stats are good but I just see him as another Reo-Coker.

Someone who can win it and then is pretty hopeless on the ball and gives it away. Shooting is woeful also.

A shame as in his first few weeks he looked a very decent replacement for D*lph.

As much-maligned as he is Sanchez will probably be o.k in the DM role in the championship.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KRS on July 11, 2016, 08:01:08 PM: It's been whispered that he wants out, so if he doesn't want to be here then it's best for all concerned that he doesn't stay at the club. He failed to impress after a promising start so he won't be a big loss and can be replaced by someone better.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Duncan Shaw on July 11, 2016, 08:07:21 PM: Another in the take the money camp here. That fee probably means with clauses he's wiped his feet and the fact that he will be back in Ligue 1 means the off chance that he becomes great, we won't be getting it rubbed in our face!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 11, 2016, 08:11:47 PM: as soon as he arrived he was talking about his next move , flatters to deceive not a great loss
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Holte L2 on July 11, 2016, 08:13:17 PM: Quote from: SoccerHQ on July 11, 2016, 07:48:40 PM
Gana's stats are good but I just see him as another Reo-Coker.

Someone who can win it and then is pretty hopeless on the ball and gives it away. Shooting is woeful also.

A shame as in his first few weeks he looked a very decent replacement for D*lph.

As much-maligned as he is Sanchez will probably be o.k in the DM role in the championship.

I'd rather have Reo-Coker than Gana.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Stirchley Villain on July 11, 2016, 08:14:40 PM: Quote from: SoccerHQ on July 11, 2016, 07:48:40 PM
Gana's stats are good but I just see him as another Reo-Coker.

Someone who can win it and then is pretty hopeless on the ball and gives it away. Shooting is woeful also.

A shame as in his first few weeks he looked a very decent replacement for D*lph.

As much-maligned as he is Sanchez will probably be o.k in the DM role in the championship.

I'd like to see Sanchez in the Championship. He was pretty hopeless in the PL all in all, but the reduction in quality and pace may allow him to catch his breath and compose himself.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: saunders_heroes on July 11, 2016, 08:20:36 PM: Quote from: supertom on July 11, 2016, 07:25:23 PM
Gana wants out and he's bang average as it is. Take the money and re-invest it in the squad.

Yeah I agree with this. Never impressed me at all, and I've often been left scratching my head in disbelief at some of the praise he received on here. Ship him out and invest the money in better players. Hopefully we'll be seeing the rubbish amassed over the last 6 years thrown out.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 11, 2016, 08:27:00 PM: Quote from: Holte L2 on July 11, 2016, 08:13:17 PM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on July 11, 2016, 07:48:40 PM
Gana's stats are good but I just see him as another Reo-Coker.

Someone who can win it and then is pretty hopeless on the ball and gives it away. Shooting is woeful also.

A shame as in his first few weeks he looked a very decent replacement for D*lph.

As much-maligned as he is Sanchez will probably be o.k in the DM role in the championship.

I'd rather have Reo-Coker than Gana.

would he come back from Milan or Madrid or wherever he ended up ??
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: andyh on July 11, 2016, 08:27:13 PM: For sale.
A central midfielder with no goals, no assists, few shots, with even fewer on target.
Rarely heads the ball, rarely runs with the ball.
Good at intercepting though.
Bargain at £7.1m.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on July 11, 2016, 08:31:21 PM: Quote from: andyh on July 11, 2016, 08:27:13 PM
For sale.
A central midfielder with no goals, no assists, few shots, with even fewer on target.
Rarely heads the ball, rarely runs with the ball.
Good at intercepting though.
Bargain at £7.1m.

We have just bought a midfielder who doesn't score goals, might as well get rid of another who cost us a bit more.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Richie on July 11, 2016, 08:41:03 PM: Gana had no stomach for the fight last season and as said already, was talking about his next move as soon as turned up.

Throw into the mix the back pass of the season against Man City in the Cup.

No great loss.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: olaftab on July 11, 2016, 08:51:54 PM: Just looked at the squad. We have NO NUMBER 10. So we obviously need a number 10. ;)
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: The Edge on July 11, 2016, 09:07:36 PM: Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 11, 2016, 04:52:10 PM
It's not something would happen right now. Rashford is going to feel he has every chance to prove himself. But once the season is underway it might start to emerge that he isn't getting the playing time he wants. It might be a January thing. I'm just saying not to summarily dismiss it. This is a side that is going to spend hundreds of millions on new talent to bridge the gap to make a run at the title.
Im with you TV. Mourinhos record with the young talent at Chelsea was criminal. I think there's every chance he would sanction a loan move for Rashford and if that does happen then why not the mighty Aston Villa?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Risso on July 11, 2016, 09:08:06 PM: Quote from: SoccerHQ on July 11, 2016, 07:48:40 PM
Gana's stats are good but I just see him as another Reo-Coker.

Someone who can win it and then is pretty hopeless on the ball and gives it away. Shooting is woeful also.

A shame as in his first few weeks he looked a very decent replacement for D*lph.

As much-maligned as he is Sanchez will probably be o.k in the DM role in the championship.

Gana is twice the player Sanchez is. Sanchez is one of the players we absolutely have to get rid of.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on July 11, 2016, 09:16:43 PM: Quote from: The Edge on July 11, 2016, 09:07:36 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 11, 2016, 04:52:10 PM
It's not something would happen right now. Rashford is going to feel he has every chance to prove himself. But once the season is underway it might start to emerge that he isn't getting the playing time he wants. It might be a January thing. I'm just saying not to summarily dismiss it. This is a side that is going to spend hundreds of millions on new talent to bridge the gap to make a run at the title.
Im with you TV. Mourinhos record with the young talent at Chelsea was criminal. I think there's every chance he would sanction a loan move for Rashford and if that does happen then why not the mighty Aston Villa?

because how on earth will playing in the championship help a player who has made it into the england set up?

if rashford does go out on loan there will be no end of takers and we wont be in the queue
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on July 11, 2016, 09:18:13 PM: Personally would be happy to see both Gueye and Sanchez go. Particularly if we can get around 9-10 mill for the pair. I honestly would prefer to see Gardner given a go instead of Sanchez. I would like RDM to bring in another strong, physical player alongside Tshibola. Gueye is an ok player but I'd trust RDM to buy a better player.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: garyshawsknee on July 11, 2016, 09:20:05 PM: I've just seen on twitter we have made a bid for Hendricks, McGrath knows how try it is. In the region of 6 million. FWIW i'd let Gana go, I very much doubt that he wants to be here.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 11, 2016, 09:23:45 PM: Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on July 11, 2016, 09:16:43 PM
Quote from: The Edge on July 11, 2016, 09:07:36 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 11, 2016, 04:52:10 PM
It's not something would happen right now. Rashford is going to feel he has every chance to prove himself. But once the season is underway it might start to emerge that he isn't getting the playing time he wants. It might be a January thing. I'm just saying not to summarily dismiss it. This is a side that is going to spend hundreds of millions on new talent to bridge the gap to make a run at the title.
Im with you TV. Mourinhos record with the young talent at Chelsea was criminal. I think there's every chance he would sanction a loan move for Rashford and if that does happen then why not the mighty Aston Villa?

because how on earth will playing in the championship help a player who has made it into the england set up?

if rashford does go out on loan there will be no end of takers and we wont be in the queue

the point being that by that stage he wouldn't be in the England set up. To see what sitting on the bench does to a career see Benteke, C and Delph, F as exhibits 1a and 1b. And I am sure other clubs would be interested. Man U might not want him to go to a PL club. Ultimately we should aiming as high as possible for our targets should we consider loans.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 11, 2016, 09:33:15 PM: Quote from: garyshawsknee on July 11, 2016, 09:20:05 PM
I've just seen on twitter we have made a bid for Hendricks, McGrath knows how try it is. In the region of 6 million. FWIW i'd let Gana go, I very much doubt that he wants to be here.

If it were true he'd be an excellent signing.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 11, 2016, 09:47:07 PM: Gana leaving isn't a huge loss. We will be able to find someone else that did what he did. Plus he offered little outside of chasing and winning the ball. Take the money and invest well. We need committed players this season. Those who aren't need to find employment elsewhere.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 11, 2016, 09:50:31 PM: Quote from: TheMalandro on July 11, 2016, 04:45:09 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 11, 2016, 04:38:05 PM
Quote from: chrisw1 on July 11, 2016, 04:02:58 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 11, 2016, 02:08:37 PM
Quote from: Clampy on July 11, 2016, 01:58:06 PM
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Quote from: peter w on July 11, 2016, 08:59:25 AM
Yes because what a player who has played in the Premier League and scored goals, got a move to one if the top English clubs, broke into the national set-up will be thinking is, "I need to get back to the level that earned me a move to Liverpool and England recognition. I know what is best for my career at this point, a year in the Championship".

Come on. It's ludicrous to even consider it.

And what if he disappears after his breakthrough season? It's not like that hasn't happened before to others. And I would argue that it is one of the many reasons why England will never again win another tournament because young players accept sitting on the bench too readily. That playing regular football and learning your trade is somehow beneath them. Rashford might be the opposite and he might break into the Man U team and keep his spot. But there's plenty of evidence to support he notion that season 2 is a lot harder than the first and he might regress in his development at a time we would all hope as supporters of our national program he improves.

Yes he might go backwards. Second season and all that but players don't know that unless they have a go. Liverpool and Ings will be hoping that he gets up to fitness and pushes on. I doubt either them or he are in anyway contemplating a year of dropping his standards. Maybe in January or next summer, but now? No point.

The thing is, you've used the words 'deluded and ludicrous'. You're almost making it sound like we're discussing Lionel Messi.

Precisely. It's Marcus Rashford we are discussing or Danny Ings. When I think Rashford I see Macheda who was brilliant for a bit and then ended up disappearing from his early lofty heights. Rashford is 18, played 11 times for Man U and broke into the England set up as much because others around him were injured and because frankly our options as a nation up front are awful. There is no doubt he has done well, but he has a long way to go before cementing himself as a regular at PL or national team level.

That's not the point. Why on earth would either contemplate dropping a division now? To pre-empt them becoming shit rather than actually doing their best to be successful? It's frankly a ridiculous debate and I think the word deluded is perfectly appropriate.

If you think it's ludicrous then don't engage in the debate. What's ludicrous is that an 18 year old player who is good and has had a good start to his career but hardly much more is being heralded as so much more than that. And that he is so amazing that he shouldn't consider career development outside of the PL, or that we have such a low self esteem that it shouldn't even be contemplated. That we should set our targets much, much lower than that.

The whole point of me mentioning his name is that players like Rashford, with the introduction of a manager like Mourinho might see his playing time curtailed. Add to the fact it is his second season and teams will be wiser to his presence. Young players suffer dips in form and confidence. We shouldn't so readily dismiss that this might happen and a move to a club like us who should have a good season in a lower tier might be a good thing, versus struggling to get noticed or joining a side at the arse end of the PL. Bloody hell you'd think I suggested a loan for Danny Welbeck or another fringe but established English PL player.

Manchester United's best prospect on loan? Come on! More likely than not he will have limited game time but he'll be sat on their bench.

I agree.

I can't believe anyone really thinks we'd have a chance of a signing like that.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Broadlee on July 11, 2016, 09:57:13 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 11, 2016, 09:33:15 PM
Quote from: garyshawsknee on July 11, 2016, 09:20:05 PM
I've just seen on twitter we have made a bid for Hendricks, McGrath knows how try it is. In the region of 6 million. FWIW i'd let Gana go, I very much doubt that he wants to be here

Why bother with Hendricks when we got gezza and iomi - rocking - love to see Gezza heard he did well in Euro 96 but was off me head with Toni an Ozzi at the time
If it were true he'd be an excellent signing.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: OCD on July 11, 2016, 09:57:23 PM: Does anyone else think that we were aware Gana would be leaving and this lad from Reading is his replacement?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villafirst on July 11, 2016, 10:07:54 PM: Gana is poor, maybe a few interceptions but did nothing with it. Another who gave the ball away regularly. No loss at all - Gardner is way better.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Mouse Potato on July 11, 2016, 10:08:01 PM: Hopefully someone else meets Gana's clause fee and triggers a bidding war
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 11, 2016, 10:08:47 PM: Hopefully somebody agrees to pay us in a more stable currency, like the Zimbabwean Dollar.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Mouse Potato on July 11, 2016, 10:10:08 PM: Quote from: cdbullyweefan on July 11, 2016, 10:08:47 PM
Hopefully somebody agrees to pay us in a more stable currency, like the Zimbabwean Dollar.
Damn... You edited it before I could start the punathon
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on July 11, 2016, 10:10:33 PM: Quote from: OCD on July 11, 2016, 09:57:23 PM
Does anyone else think that we were aware Gana would be leaving and this lad from Reading is his replacement?

Quite possibly. Hopefully, Tshibola has much more of a presence about him than Gueye does. I wouldn't mind seeing them together mind as I think they might do well. That said, take the money and invest in better.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: The Edge on July 11, 2016, 10:13:04 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 11, 2016, 09:50:31 PM
Quote from: TheMalandro on July 11, 2016, 04:45:09 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 11, 2016, 04:38:05 PM
Quote from: chrisw1 on July 11, 2016, 04:02:58 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 11, 2016, 02:08:37 PM
Quote from: Clampy on July 11, 2016, 01:58:06 PM
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Quote from: peter w on July 11, 2016, 08:59:25 AM
Yes because what a player who has played in the Premier League and scored goals, got a move to one if the top English clubs, broke into the national set-up will be thinking is, "I need to get back to the level that earned me a move to Liverpool and England recognition. I know what is best for my career at this point, a year in the Championship".

Come on. It's ludicrous to even consider it.

And what if he disappears after his breakthrough season? It's not like that hasn't happened before to others. And I would argue that it is one of the many reasons why England will never again win another tournament because young players accept sitting on the bench too readily. That playing regular football and learning your trade is somehow beneath them. Rashford might be the opposite and he might break into the Man U team and keep his spot. But there's plenty of evidence to support he notion that season 2 is a lot harder than the first and he might regress in his development at a time we would all hope as supporters of our national program he improves.

Yes he might go backwards. Second season and all that but players don't know that unless they have a go. Liverpool and Ings will be hoping that he gets up to fitness and pushes on. I doubt either them or he are in anyway contemplating a year of dropping his standards. Maybe in January or next summer, but now? No point.

The thing is, you've used the words 'deluded and ludicrous'. You're almost making it sound like we're discussing Lionel Messi.

Precisely. It's Marcus Rashford we are discussing or Danny Ings. When I think Rashford I see Macheda who was brilliant for a bit and then ended up disappearing from his early lofty heights. Rashford is 18, played 11 times for Man U and broke into the England set up as much because others around him were injured and because frankly our options as a nation up front are awful. There is no doubt he has done well, but he has a long way to go before cementing himself as a regular at PL or national team level.

That's not the point. Why on earth would either contemplate dropping a division now? To pre-empt them becoming shit rather than actually doing their best to be successful? It's frankly a ridiculous debate and I think the word deluded is perfectly appropriate.

If you think it's ludicrous then don't engage in the debate. What's ludicrous is that an 18 year old player who is good and has had a good start to his career but hardly much more is being heralded as so much more than that. And that he is so amazing that he shouldn't consider career development outside of the PL, or that we have such a low self esteem that it shouldn't even be contemplated. That we should set our targets much, much lower than that.

The whole point of me mentioning his name is that players like Rashford, with the introduction of a manager like Mourinho might see his playing time curtailed. Add to the fact it is his second season and teams will be wiser to his presence. Young players suffer dips in form and confidence. We shouldn't so readily dismiss that this might happen and a move to a club like us who should have a good season in a lower tier might be a good thing, versus struggling to get noticed or joining a side at the arse end of the PL. Bloody hell you'd think I suggested a loan for Danny Welbeck or another fringe but established English PL player.

Manchester United's best prospect on loan? Come on! More likely than not he will have limited game time but he'll be sat on their bench.

I agree.

I can't believe anyone really thinks we'd have a chance of a signing like that.

I think mourinhos record of loaning out young talent speaks fo itself and anything is possible. If it does happen then what? Are we not worthy?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on July 11, 2016, 10:18:32 PM: Quote from: The Edge on July 11, 2016, 10:13:04 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 11, 2016, 09:50:31 PM
Quote from: TheMalandro on July 11, 2016, 04:45:09 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 11, 2016, 04:38:05 PM
Quote from: chrisw1 on July 11, 2016, 04:02:58 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 11, 2016, 02:08:37 PM
Quote from: Clampy on July 11, 2016, 01:58:06 PM
Quote from: peter w on July 11, 2016, 01:53:34 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 11, 2016, 12:43:50 PM
Quote from: peter w on July 11, 2016, 08:59:25 AM
Yes because what a player who has played in the Premier League and scored goals, got a move to one if the top English clubs, broke into the national set-up will be thinking is, "I need to get back to the level that earned me a move to Liverpool and England recognition. I know what is best for my career at this point, a year in the Championship".

Come on. It's ludicrous to even consider it.

And what if he disappears after his breakthrough season? It's not like that hasn't happened before to others. And I would argue that it is one of the many reasons why England will never again win another tournament because young players accept sitting on the bench too readily. That playing regular football and learning your trade is somehow beneath them. Rashford might be the opposite and he might break into the Man U team and keep his spot. But there's plenty of evidence to support he notion that season 2 is a lot harder than the first and he might regress in his development at a time we would all hope as supporters of our national program he improves.

Yes he might go backwards. Second season and all that but players don't know that unless they have a go. Liverpool and Ings will be hoping that he gets up to fitness and pushes on. I doubt either them or he are in anyway contemplating a year of dropping his standards. Maybe in January or next summer, but now? No point.

The thing is, you've used the words 'deluded and ludicrous'. You're almost making it sound like we're discussing Lionel Messi.

Precisely. It's Marcus Rashford we are discussing or Danny Ings. When I think Rashford I see Macheda who was brilliant for a bit and then ended up disappearing from his early lofty heights. Rashford is 18, played 11 times for Man U and broke into the England set up as much because others around him were injured and because frankly our options as a nation up front are awful. There is no doubt he has done well, but he has a long way to go before cementing himself as a regular at PL or national team level.

That's not the point. Why on earth would either contemplate dropping a division now? To pre-empt them becoming shit rather than actually doing their best to be successful? It's frankly a ridiculous debate and I think the word deluded is perfectly appropriate.

If you think it's ludicrous then don't engage in the debate. What's ludicrous is that an 18 year old player who is good and has had a good start to his career but hardly much more is being heralded as so much more than that. And that he is so amazing that he shouldn't consider career development outside of the PL, or that we have such a low self esteem that it shouldn't even be contemplated. That we should set our targets much, much lower than that.

The whole point of me mentioning his name is that players like Rashford, with the introduction of a manager like Mourinho might see his playing time curtailed. Add to the fact it is his second season and teams will be wiser to his presence. Young players suffer dips in form and confidence. We shouldn't so readily dismiss that this might happen and a move to a club like us who should have a good season in a lower tier might be a good thing, versus struggling to get noticed or joining a side at the arse end of the PL. Bloody hell you'd think I suggested a loan for Danny Welbeck or another fringe but established English PL player.

Manchester United's best prospect on loan? Come on! More likely than not he will have limited game time but he'll be sat on their bench.

I agree.

I can't believe anyone really thinks we'd have a chance of a signing like that.

I think mourinhos record of loaning out young talent speaks fo itself and anything is possible. If it does happen then what? Are we not worthy?

Not really. Why we he want to come here and more importantly why would Man Utd want him to come here when a dozen Premier League clubs would happily take him?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Lastfootstamper on July 11, 2016, 10:24:05 PM: Was it Mourhino that wouldn't let us borrow Huth?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on July 11, 2016, 10:26:28 PM: Dr Xia has posted on his Weibo site that in another couple of weeks the spine of the side will be complete with creative midfielder and bullet loaded strikers coming in, paraphrasing. Also, latest figures re season tickets, 18 thousand sold already.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on July 11, 2016, 10:28:08 PM: Quote from: Mouse Potato on July 11, 2016, 10:08:01 PM
Hopefully someone else meets Gana's clause fee and triggers a bidding war

If they do - then the bidding war will be about his wages and not the fee to us.

Though it doesn't look popular on here, I would say he was one of the better performers is a very poor team. Our defense lacked organisation and we had no goal threat - neither down to Gana as his job was to break up play and move the ball on quickly to someone else - I think he managed that more often than anyone else asked to do that job.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Stirchley Villain on July 11, 2016, 10:31:42 PM: Quote from: Lastfootstamper on July 11, 2016, 10:24:05 PM
Was it Mourhino that wouldn't let us borrow Huth?

Whatever happened to him?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: The Edge on July 11, 2016, 10:38:17 PM: Quote from: Dave on July 11, 2016, 10:18:32 PM
Quote from: The Edge on July 11, 2016, 10:13:04 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 11, 2016, 09:50:31 PM
Quote from: TheMalandro on July 11, 2016, 04:45:09 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 11, 2016, 04:38:05 PM
Quote from: chrisw1 on July 11, 2016, 04:02:58 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 11, 2016, 02:08:37 PM
Quote from: Clampy on July 11, 2016, 01:58:06 PM
Quote from: peter w on July 11, 2016, 01:53:34 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 11, 2016, 12:43:50 PM
Quote from: peter w on July 11, 2016, 08:59:25 AM
Yes because what a player who has played in the Premier League and scored goals, got a move to one if the top English clubs, broke into the national set-up will be thinking is, "I need to get back to the level that earned me a move to Liverpool and England recognition. I know what is best for my career at this point, a year in the Championship".

Come on. It's ludicrous to even consider it.

And what if he disappears after his breakthrough season? It's not like that hasn't happened before to others. And I would argue that it is one of the many reasons why England will never again win another tournament because young players accept sitting on the bench too readily. That playing regular football and learning your trade is somehow beneath them. Rashford might be the opposite and he might break into the Man U team and keep his spot. But there's plenty of evidence to support he notion that season 2 is a lot harder than the first and he might regress in his development at a time we would all hope as supporters of our national program he improves.

Yes he might go backwards. Second season and all that but players don't know that unless they have a go. Liverpool and Ings will be hoping that he gets up to fitness and pushes on. I doubt either them or he are in anyway contemplating a year of dropping his standards. Maybe in January or next summer, but now? No point.

The thing is, you've used the words 'deluded and ludicrous'. You're almost making it sound like we're discussing Lionel Messi.

Precisely. It's Marcus Rashford we are discussing or Danny Ings. When I think Rashford I see Macheda who was brilliant for a bit and then ended up disappearing from his early lofty heights. Rashford is 18, played 11 times for Man U and broke into the England set up as much because others around him were injured and because frankly our options as a nation up front are awful. There is no doubt he has done well, but he has a long way to go before cementing himself as a regular at PL or national team level.

That's not the point. Why on earth would either contemplate dropping a division now? To pre-empt them becoming shit rather than actually doing their best to be successful? It's frankly a ridiculous debate and I think the word deluded is perfectly appropriate.

If you think it's ludicrous then don't engage in the debate. What's ludicrous is that an 18 year old player who is good and has had a good start to his career but hardly much more is being heralded as so much more than that. And that he is so amazing that he shouldn't consider career development outside of the PL, or that we have such a low self esteem that it shouldn't even be contemplated. That we should set our targets much, much lower than that.

The whole point of me mentioning his name is that players like Rashford, with the introduction of a manager like Mourinho might see his playing time curtailed. Add to the fact it is his second season and teams will be wiser to his presence. Young players suffer dips in form and confidence. We shouldn't so readily dismiss that this might happen and a move to a club like us who should have a good season in a lower tier might be a good thing, versus struggling to get noticed or joining a side at the arse end of the PL. Bloody hell you'd think I suggested a loan for Danny Welbeck or another fringe but established English PL player.

Manchester United's best prospect on loan? Come on! More likely than not he will have limited game time but he'll be sat on their bench.

I agree.

I can't believe anyone really thinks we'd have a chance of a signing like that.

I think mourinhos record of loaning out young talent speaks fo itself and anything is possible. If it does happen then what? Are we not worthy?

Not really. Why we he want to come here and more importantly why would Man Utd want him to come here when a dozen Premier League clubs would happily take him?
Because premier league clubs are their rivals and championship clubs aren't
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Mouse Potato on July 11, 2016, 10:42:39 PM: Quote from: The Edge on July 11, 2016, 10:38:17 PM
Quote from: Dave on July 11, 2016, 10:18:32 PM
Quote from: The Edge on July 11, 2016, 10:13:04 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 11, 2016, 09:50:31 PM
Quote from: TheMalandro on July 11, 2016, 04:45:09 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 11, 2016, 04:38:05 PM
Quote from: chrisw1 on July 11, 2016, 04:02:58 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 11, 2016, 02:08:37 PM
Quote from: Clampy on July 11, 2016, 01:58:06 PM
Quote from: peter w on July 11, 2016, 01:53:34 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 11, 2016, 12:43:50 PM
Quote from: peter w on July 11, 2016, 08:59:25 AM
Yes because what a player who has played in the Premier League and scored goals, got a move to one if the top English clubs, broke into the national set-up will be thinking is, "I need to get back to the level that earned me a move to Liverpool and England recognition. I know what is best for my career at this point, a year in the Championship".

Come on. It's ludicrous to even consider it.

And what if he disappears after his breakthrough season? It's not like that hasn't happened before to others. And I would argue that it is one of the many reasons why England will never again win another tournament because young players accept sitting on the bench too readily. That playing regular football and learning your trade is somehow beneath them. Rashford might be the opposite and he might break into the Man U team and keep his spot. But there's plenty of evidence to support he notion that season 2 is a lot harder than the first and he might regress in his development at a time we would all hope as supporters of our national program he improves.

Yes he might go backwards. Second season and all that but players don't know that unless they have a go. Liverpool and Ings will be hoping that he gets up to fitness and pushes on. I doubt either them or he are in anyway contemplating a year of dropping his standards. Maybe in January or next summer, but now? No point.

The thing is, you've used the words 'deluded and ludicrous'. You're almost making it sound like we're discussing Lionel Messi.

Precisely. It's Marcus Rashford we are discussing or Danny Ings. When I think Rashford I see Macheda who was brilliant for a bit and then ended up disappearing from his early lofty heights. Rashford is 18, played 11 times for Man U and broke into the England set up as much because others around him were injured and because frankly our options as a nation up front are awful. There is no doubt he has done well, but he has a long way to go before cementing himself as a regular at PL or national team level.

That's not the point. Why on earth would either contemplate dropping a division now? To pre-empt them becoming shit rather than actually doing their best to be successful? It's frankly a ridiculous debate and I think the word deluded is perfectly appropriate.

If you think it's ludicrous then don't engage in the debate. What's ludicrous is that an 18 year old player who is good and has had a good start to his career but hardly much more is being heralded as so much more than that. And that he is so amazing that he shouldn't consider career development outside of the PL, or that we have such a low self esteem that it shouldn't even be contemplated. That we should set our targets much, much lower than that.

The whole point of me mentioning his name is that players like Rashford, with the introduction of a manager like Mourinho might see his playing time curtailed. Add to the fact it is his second season and teams will be wiser to his presence. Young players suffer dips in form and confidence. We shouldn't so readily dismiss that this might happen and a move to a club like us who should have a good season in a lower tier might be a good thing, versus struggling to get noticed or joining a side at the arse end of the PL. Bloody hell you'd think I suggested a loan for Danny Welbeck or another fringe but established English PL player.

Manchester United's best prospect on loan? Come on! More likely than not he will have limited game time but he'll be sat on their bench.

I agree.

I can't believe anyone really thinks we'd have a chance of a signing like that.

I think mourinhos record of loaning out young talent speaks fo itself and anything is possible. If it does happen then what? Are we not worthy?

Not really. Why we he want to come here and more importantly why would Man Utd want him to come here when a dozen Premier League clubs would happily take him?
Because premier league clubs are their rivals and championship clubs aren't
I've nothing to add to this. I just wanted to be a part of the biggest quotathon in history. McWhirter... Where are you?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 11, 2016, 10:47:42 PM: Quote from: Mouse Potato on July 11, 2016, 10:42:39 PM
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Yes because what a player who has played in the Premier League and scored goals, got a move to one if the top English clubs, broke into the national set-up will be thinking is, "I need to get back to the level that earned me a move to Liverpool and England recognition. I know what is best for my career at this point, a year in the Championship".

Come on. It's ludicrous to even consider it.

And what if he disappears after his breakthrough season? It's not like that hasn't happened before to others. And I would argue that it is one of the many reasons why England will never again win another tournament because young players accept sitting on the bench too readily. That playing regular football and learning your trade is somehow beneath them. Rashford might be the opposite and he might break into the Man U team and keep his spot. But there's plenty of evidence to support he notion that season 2 is a lot harder than the first and he might regress in his development at a time we would all hope as supporters of our national program he improves.

Yes he might go backwards. Second season and all that but players don't know that unless they have a go. Liverpool and Ings will be hoping that he gets up to fitness and pushes on. I doubt either them or he are in anyway contemplating a year of dropping his standards. Maybe in January or next summer, but now? No point.

The thing is, you've used the words 'deluded and ludicrous'. You're almost making it sound like we're discussing Lionel Messi.

Precisely. It's Marcus Rashford we are discussing or Danny Ings. When I think Rashford I see Macheda who was brilliant for a bit and then ended up disappearing from his early lofty heights. Rashford is 18, played 11 times for Man U and broke into the England set up as much because others around him were injured and because frankly our options as a nation up front are awful. There is no doubt he has done well, but he has a long way to go before cementing himself as a regular at PL or national team level.

That's not the point. Why on earth would either contemplate dropping a division now? To pre-empt them becoming shit rather than actually doing their best to be successful? It's frankly a ridiculous debate and I think the word deluded is perfectly appropriate.

If you think it's ludicrous then don't engage in the debate. What's ludicrous is that an 18 year old player who is good and has had a good start to his career but hardly much more is being heralded as so much more than that. And that he is so amazing that he shouldn't consider career development outside of the PL, or that we have such a low self esteem that it shouldn't even be contemplated. That we should set our targets much, much lower than that.

The whole point of me mentioning his name is that players like Rashford, with the introduction of a manager like Mourinho might see his playing time curtailed. Add to the fact it is his second season and teams will be wiser to his presence. Young players suffer dips in form and confidence. We shouldn't so readily dismiss that this might happen and a move to a club like us who should have a good season in a lower tier might be a good thing, versus struggling to get noticed or joining a side at the arse end of the PL. Bloody hell you'd think I suggested a loan for Danny Welbeck or another fringe but established English PL player.

Manchester United's best prospect on loan? Come on! More likely than not he will have limited game time but he'll be sat on their bench.

I agree.

I can't believe anyone really thinks we'd have a chance of a signing like that.

I think mourinhos record of loaning out young talent speaks fo itself and anything is possible. If it does happen then what? Are we not worthy?

Not really. Why we he want to come here and more importantly why would Man Utd want him to come here when a dozen Premier League clubs would happily take him?
Because premier league clubs are their rivals and championship clubs aren't
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Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: The Edge on July 11, 2016, 10:52:05 PM: Quote from: VILLA MOLE on July 11, 2016, 10:47:42 PM
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Yes because what a player who has played in the Premier League and scored goals, got a move to one if the top English clubs, broke into the national set-up will be thinking is, "I need to get back to the level that earned me a move to Liverpool and England recognition. I know what is best for my career at this point, a year in the Championship".

Come on. It's ludicrous to even consider it.

And what if he disappears after his breakthrough season? It's not like that hasn't happened before to others. And I would argue that it is one of the many reasons why England will never again win another tournament because young players accept sitting on the bench too readily. That playing regular football and learning your trade is somehow beneath them. Rashford might be the opposite and he might break into the Man U team and keep his spot. But there's plenty of evidence to support he notion that season 2 is a lot harder than the first and he might regress in his development at a time we would all hope as supporters of our national program he improves.

Yes he might go backwards. Second season and all that but players don't know that unless they have a go. Liverpool and Ings will be hoping that he gets up to fitness and pushes on. I doubt either them or he are in anyway contemplating a year of dropping his standards. Maybe in January or next summer, but now? No point.

The thing is, you've used the words 'deluded and ludicrous'. You're almost making it sound like we're discussing Lionel Messi.

Precisely. It's Marcus Rashford we are discussing or Danny Ings. When I think Rashford I see Macheda who was brilliant for a bit and then ended up disappearing from his early lofty heights. Rashford is 18, played 11 times for Man U and broke into the England set up as much because others around him were injured and because frankly our options as a nation up front are awful. There is no doubt he has done well, but he has a long way to go before cementing himself as a regular at PL or national team level.

That's not the point. Why on earth would either contemplate dropping a division now? To pre-empt them becoming shit rather than actually doing their best to be successful? It's frankly a ridiculous debate and I think the word deluded is perfectly appropriate.

If you think it's ludicrous then don't engage in the debate. What's ludicrous is that an 18 year old player who is good and has had a good start to his career but hardly much more is being heralded as so much more than that. And that he is so amazing that he shouldn't consider career development outside of the PL, or that we have such a low self esteem that it shouldn't even be contemplated. That we should set our targets much, much lower than that.

The whole point of me mentioning his name is that players like Rashford, with the introduction of a manager like Mourinho might see his playing time curtailed. Add to the fact it is his second season and teams will be wiser to his presence. Young players suffer dips in form and confidence. We shouldn't so readily dismiss that this might happen and a move to a club like us who should have a good season in a lower tier might be a good thing, versus struggling to get noticed or joining a side at the arse end of the PL. Bloody hell you'd think I suggested a loan for Danny Welbeck or another fringe but established English PL player.

Manchester United's best prospect on loan? Come on! More likely than not he will have limited game time but he'll be sat on their bench.

I agree.

I can't believe anyone really thinks we'd have a chance of a signing like that.

I think mourinhos record of loaning out young talent speaks fo itself and anything is possible. If it does happen then what? Are we not worthy?

Not really. Why we he want to come here and more importantly why would Man Utd want him to come here when a dozen Premier League clubs would happily take him?
Because premier league clubs are their rivals and championship clubs aren't
I've nothing to add to this. I just wanted to be a part of the biggest quotathon in history. McWhirter... Where are you?

no longer with us I am afraid
shall we just call it a draw?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on July 11, 2016, 10:54:58 PM: Quote from: The Edge on July 11, 2016, 10:52:05 PM
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Yes because what a player who has played in the Premier League and scored goals, got a move to one if the top English clubs, broke into the national set-up will be thinking is, "I need to get back to the level that earned me a move to Liverpool and England recognition. I know what is best for my career at this point, a year in the Championship".

Come on. It's ludicrous to even consider it.

And what if he disappears after his breakthrough season? It's not like that hasn't happened before to others. And I would argue that it is one of the many reasons why England will never again win another tournament because young players accept sitting on the bench too readily. That playing regular football and learning your trade is somehow beneath them. Rashford might be the opposite and he might break into the Man U team and keep his spot. But there's plenty of evidence to support he notion that season 2 is a lot harder than the first and he might regress in his development at a time we would all hope as supporters of our national program he improves.

Yes he might go backwards. Second season and all that but players don't know that unless they have a go. Liverpool and Ings will be hoping that he gets up to fitness and pushes on. I doubt either them or he are in anyway contemplating a year of dropping his standards. Maybe in January or next summer, but now? No point.

The thing is, you've used the words 'deluded and ludicrous'. You're almost making it sound like we're discussing Lionel Messi.

Precisely. It's Marcus Rashford we are discussing or Danny Ings. When I think Rashford I see Macheda who was brilliant for a bit and then ended up disappearing from his early lofty heights. Rashford is 18, played 11 times for Man U and broke into the England set up as much because others around him were injured and because frankly our options as a nation up front are awful. There is no doubt he has done well, but he has a long way to go before cementing himself as a regular at PL or national team level.

That's not the point. Why on earth would either contemplate dropping a division now? To pre-empt them becoming shit rather than actually doing their best to be successful? It's frankly a ridiculous debate and I think the word deluded is perfectly appropriate.

If you think it's ludicrous then don't engage in the debate. What's ludicrous is that an 18 year old player who is good and has had a good start to his career but hardly much more is being heralded as so much more than that. And that he is so amazing that he shouldn't consider career development outside of the PL, or that we have such a low self esteem that it shouldn't even be contemplated. That we should set our targets much, much lower than that.

The whole point of me mentioning his name is that players like Rashford, with the introduction of a manager like Mourinho might see his playing time curtailed. Add to the fact it is his second season and teams will be wiser to his presence. Young players suffer dips in form and confidence. We shouldn't so readily dismiss that this might happen and a move to a club like us who should have a good season in a lower tier might be a good thing, versus struggling to get noticed or joining a side at the arse end of the PL. Bloody hell you'd think I suggested a loan for Danny Welbeck or another fringe but established English PL player.

Manchester United's best prospect on loan? Come on! More likely than not he will have limited game time but he'll be sat on their bench.

I agree.

I can't believe anyone really thinks we'd have a chance of a signing like that.

I think mourinhos record of loaning out young talent speaks fo itself and anything is possible. If it does happen then what? Are we not worthy?

Not really. Why we he want to come here and more importantly why would Man Utd want him to come here when a dozen Premier League clubs would happily take him?
Because premier league clubs are their rivals and championship clubs aren't
I've nothing to add to this. I just wanted to be a part of the biggest quotathon in history. McWhirter... Where are you?

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Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 11, 2016, 11:00:28 PM: Quote from: The Edge on July 11, 2016, 10:38:17 PM
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Yes because what a player who has played in the Premier League and scored goals, got a move to one if the top English clubs, broke into the national set-up will be thinking is, "I need to get back to the level that earned me a move to Liverpool and England recognition. I know what is best for my career at this point, a year in the Championship".

Come on. It's ludicrous to even consider it.

And what if he disappears after his breakthrough season? It's not like that hasn't happened before to others. And I would argue that it is one of the many reasons why England will never again win another tournament because young players accept sitting on the bench too readily. That playing regular football and learning your trade is somehow beneath them. Rashford might be the opposite and he might break into the Man U team and keep his spot. But there's plenty of evidence to support he notion that season 2 is a lot harder than the first and he might regress in his development at a time we would all hope as supporters of our national program he improves.

Yes he might go backwards. Second season and all that but players don't know that unless they have a go. Liverpool and Ings will be hoping that he gets up to fitness and pushes on. I doubt either them or he are in anyway contemplating a year of dropping his standards. Maybe in January or next summer, but now? No point.

The thing is, you've used the words 'deluded and ludicrous'. You're almost making it sound like we're discussing Lionel Messi.

Precisely. It's Marcus Rashford we are discussing or Danny Ings. When I think Rashford I see Macheda who was brilliant for a bit and then ended up disappearing from his early lofty heights. Rashford is 18, played 11 times for Man U and broke into the England set up as much because others around him were injured and because frankly our options as a nation up front are awful. There is no doubt he has done well, but he has a long way to go before cementing himself as a regular at PL or national team level.

That's not the point. Why on earth would either contemplate dropping a division now? To pre-empt them becoming shit rather than actually doing their best to be successful? It's frankly a ridiculous debate and I think the word deluded is perfectly appropriate.

If you think it's ludicrous then don't engage in the debate. What's ludicrous is that an 18 year old player who is good and has had a good start to his career but hardly much more is being heralded as so much more than that. And that he is so amazing that he shouldn't consider career development outside of the PL, or that we have such a low self esteem that it shouldn't even be contemplated. That we should set our targets much, much lower than that.

The whole point of me mentioning his name is that players like Rashford, with the introduction of a manager like Mourinho might see his playing time curtailed. Add to the fact it is his second season and teams will be wiser to his presence. Young players suffer dips in form and confidence. We shouldn't so readily dismiss that this might happen and a move to a club like us who should have a good season in a lower tier might be a good thing, versus struggling to get noticed or joining a side at the arse end of the PL. Bloody hell you'd think I suggested a loan for Danny Welbeck or another fringe but established English PL player.

Manchester United's best prospect on loan? Come on! More likely than not he will have limited game time but he'll be sat on their bench.

I agree.

I can't believe anyone really thinks we'd have a chance of a signing like that.

I think mourinhos record of loaning out young talent speaks fo itself and anything is possible. If it does happen then what? Are we not worthy?

Not really. Why we he want to come here and more importantly why would Man Utd want him to come here when a dozen Premier League clubs would happily take him?
Because premier league clubs are their rivals and championship clubs aren't

All but about 5 premier league clubs are also not their rivals.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: adrenachrome on July 11, 2016, 11:00:31 PM: Quote from: The Edge on July 11, 2016, 10:52:05 PM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on July 11, 2016, 10:47:42 PM
Quote from: Mouse Potato on July 11, 2016, 10:42:39 PM
Quote from: The Edge on July 11, 2016, 10:38:17 PM
Quote from: Dave on July 11, 2016, 10:18:32 PM
Quote from: The Edge on July 11, 2016, 10:13:04 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 11, 2016, 09:50:31 PM
Quote from: TheMalandro on July 11, 2016, 04:45:09 PM
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Quote from: Clampy on July 11, 2016, 01:58:06 PM
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Quote from: peter w on July 11, 2016, 08:59:25 AM
Yes because what a player who has played in the Premier League and scored goals, got a move to one if the top English clubs, broke into the national set-up will be thinking is, "I need to get back to the level that earned me a move to Liverpool and England recognition. I know what is best for my career at this point, a year in the Championship".

Come on. It's ludicrous to even consider it.

And what if he disappears after his breakthrough season? It's not like that hasn't happened before to others. And I would argue that it is one of the many reasons why England will never again win another tournament because young players accept sitting on the bench too readily. That playing regular football and learning your trade is somehow beneath them. Rashford might be the opposite and he might break into the Man U team and keep his spot. But there's plenty of evidence to support he notion that season 2 is a lot harder than the first and he might regress in his development at a time we would all hope as supporters of our national program he improves.

Yes he might go backwards. Second season and all that but players don't know that unless they have a go. Liverpool and Ings will be hoping that he gets up to fitness and pushes on. I doubt either them or he are in anyway contemplating a year of dropping his standards. Maybe in January or next summer, but now? No point.

The thing is, you've used the words 'deluded and ludicrous'. You're almost making it sound like we're discussing Lionel Messi.

Precisely. It's Marcus Rashford we are discussing or Danny Ings. When I think Rashford I see Macheda who was brilliant for a bit and then ended up disappearing from his early lofty heights. Rashford is 18, played 11 times for Man U and broke into the England set up as much because others around him were injured and because frankly our options as a nation up front are awful. There is no doubt he has done well, but he has a long way to go before cementing himself as a regular at PL or national team level.

That's not the point. Why on earth would either contemplate dropping a division now? To pre-empt them becoming shit rather than actually doing their best to be successful? It's frankly a ridiculous debate and I think the word deluded is perfectly appropriate.

If you think it's ludicrous then don't engage in the debate. What's ludicrous is that an 18 year old player who is good and has had a good start to his career but hardly much more is being heralded as so much more than that. And that he is so amazing that he shouldn't consider career development outside of the PL, or that we have such a low self esteem that it shouldn't even be contemplated. That we should set our targets much, much lower than that.

The whole point of me mentioning his name is that players like Rashford, with the introduction of a manager like Mourinho might see his playing time curtailed. Add to the fact it is his second season and teams will be wiser to his presence. Young players suffer dips in form and confidence. We shouldn't so readily dismiss that this might happen and a move to a club like us who should have a good season in a lower tier might be a good thing, versus struggling to get noticed or joining a side at the arse end of the PL. Bloody hell you'd think I suggested a loan for Danny Welbeck or another fringe but established English PL player.

Manchester United's best prospect on loan? Come on! More likely than not he will have limited game time but he'll be sat on their bench.

I agree.

I can't believe anyone really thinks we'd have a chance of a signing like that.

I think mourinhos record of loaning out young talent speaks fo itself and anything is possible. If it does happen then what? Are we not worthy?

Not really. Why we he want to come here and more importantly why would Man Utd want him to come here when a dozen Premier League clubs would happily take him?
Because premier league clubs are their rivals and championship clubs aren't
I've nothing to add to this. I just wanted to be a part of the biggest quotathon in history. McWhirter... Where are you?

no longer with us I am afraid
shall we just call it a draw?

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Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 11, 2016, 11:04:17 PM: Quote from: adrenachrome on July 11, 2016, 11:00:31 PM
Quote from: The Edge on July 11, 2016, 10:52:05 PM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on July 11, 2016, 10:47:42 PM
Quote from: Mouse Potato on July 11, 2016, 10:42:39 PM
Quote from: The Edge on July 11, 2016, 10:38:17 PM
Quote from: Dave on July 11, 2016, 10:18:32 PM
Quote from: The Edge on July 11, 2016, 10:13:04 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 11, 2016, 09:50:31 PM
Quote from: TheMalandro on July 11, 2016, 04:45:09 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 11, 2016, 04:38:05 PM
Quote from: chrisw1 on July 11, 2016, 04:02:58 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 11, 2016, 02:08:37 PM
Quote from: Clampy on July 11, 2016, 01:58:06 PM
Quote from: peter w on July 11, 2016, 01:53:34 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 11, 2016, 12:43:50 PM
Quote from: peter w on July 11, 2016, 08:59:25 AM
Yes because what a player who has played in the Premier League and scored goals, got a move to one if the top English clubs, broke into the national set-up will be thinking is, "I need to get back to the level that earned me a move to Liverpool and England recognition. I know what is best for my career at this point, a year in the Championship".

Come on. It's ludicrous to even consider it.

And what if he disappears after his breakthrough season? It's not like that hasn't happened before to others. And I would argue that it is one of the many reasons why England will never again win another tournament because young players accept sitting on the bench too readily. That playing regular football and learning your trade is somehow beneath them. Rashford might be the opposite and he might break into the Man U team and keep his spot. But there's plenty of evidence to support he notion that season 2 is a lot harder than the first and he might regress in his development at a time we would all hope as supporters of our national program he improves.

Yes he might go backwards. Second season and all that but players don't know that unless they have a go. Liverpool and Ings will be hoping that he gets up to fitness and pushes on. I doubt either them or he are in anyway contemplating a year of dropping his standards. Maybe in January or next summer, but now? No point.

The thing is, you've used the words 'deluded and ludicrous'. You're almost making it sound like we're discussing Lionel Messi.

Precisely. It's Marcus Rashford we are discussing or Danny Ings. When I think Rashford I see Macheda who was brilliant for a bit and then ended up disappearing from his early lofty heights. Rashford is 18, played 11 times for Man U and broke into the England set up as much because others around him were injured and because frankly our options as a nation up front are awful. There is no doubt he has done well, but he has a long way to go before cementing himself as a regular at PL or national team level.

That's not the point. Why on earth would either contemplate dropping a division now? To pre-empt them becoming shit rather than actually doing their best to be successful? It's frankly a ridiculous debate and I think the word deluded is perfectly appropriate.

If you think it's ludicrous then don't engage in the debate. What's ludicrous is that an 18 year old player who is good and has had a good start to his career but hardly much more is being heralded as so much more than that. And that he is so amazing that he shouldn't consider career development outside of the PL, or that we have such a low self esteem that it shouldn't even be contemplated. That we should set our targets much, much lower than that.

The whole point of me mentioning his name is that players like Rashford, with the introduction of a manager like Mourinho might see his playing time curtailed. Add to the fact it is his second season and teams will be wiser to his presence. Young players suffer dips in form and confidence. We shouldn't so readily dismiss that this might happen and a move to a club like us who should have a good season in a lower tier might be a good thing, versus struggling to get noticed or joining a side at the arse end of the PL. Bloody hell you'd think I suggested a loan for Danny Welbeck or another fringe but established English PL player.

Manchester United's best prospect on loan? Come on! More likely than not he will have limited game time but he'll be sat on their bench.

I agree.

I can't believe anyone really thinks we'd have a chance of a signing like that.

I think mourinhos record of loaning out young talent speaks fo itself and anything is possible. If it does happen then what? Are we not worthy?

Not really. Why we he want to come here and more importantly why would Man Utd want him to come here when a dozen Premier League clubs would happily take him?
Because premier league clubs are their rivals and championship clubs aren't
I've nothing to add to this. I just wanted to be a part of the biggest quotathon in history. McWhirter... Where are you?

no longer with us I am afraid
shall we just call it a draw?

On my phone the innermost quote is one word per line. Such larks!

the edges hurt my eyes
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on July 11, 2016, 11:20:29 PM: Quote from: olaftab on July 11, 2016, 08:51:54 PM
Just looked at the squad. We have NO NUMBER 10. So we obviously need a number 10. ;)

Options : like to bring in giovincho from Toronto mls too good over there and decent enough to own championship .
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on July 11, 2016, 11:29:14 PM: He is paid about 7 million a season isn't he?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 11, 2016, 11:34:25 PM: Quote from: Russ aka Big Nose on July 11, 2016, 10:28:08 PM
Quote from: Mouse Potato on July 11, 2016, 10:08:01 PM
Hopefully someone else meets Gana's clause fee and triggers a bidding war

If they do - then the bidding war will be about his wages and not the fee to us.

Though it doesn't look popular on here, I would say he was one of the better performers is a very poor team. Our defense lacked organisation and we had no goal threat - neither down to Gana as his job was to break up play and move the ball on quickly to someone else - I think he managed that more often than anyone else asked to do that job.

Yeah, but why wouldn't we try to get a higher fee for him. That's what bidding wars are about. Bring on the bidding war, say I.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on July 11, 2016, 11:35:38 PM: Gana annoyed me with his absence of any work ethic off the ball, trotting back the lazy devil after we'd recycled the ball.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 11, 2016, 11:38:11 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on July 11, 2016, 11:29:14 PM
He is paid about 7 million a season isn't he?

He's being paid handsomely. He's gone off the boil a little here too, in large part because he felt snubbed in being left out of the national squad for the Euros. He is an outstanding player, and way beyond this level. But the reason he is here is because of the money.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on July 12, 2016, 12:25:51 AM: Quote from: Sexual Ealing on July 11, 2016, 11:34:25 PM
Quote from: Russ aka Big Nose on July 11, 2016, 10:28:08 PM
Quote from: Mouse Potato on July 11, 2016, 10:08:01 PM
Hopefully someone else meets Gana's clause fee and triggers a bidding war

If they do - then the bidding war will be about his wages and not the fee to us.

Though it doesn't look popular on here, I would say he was one of the better performers is a very poor team. Our defense lacked organisation and we had no goal threat - neither down to Gana as his job was to break up play and move the ball on quickly to someone else - I think he managed that more often than anyone else asked to do that job.

Yeah, but why wouldn't we try to get a higher fee for him. That's what bidding wars are about. Bring on the bidding war, say I.

Because anyone can bid 7.1 million and buy him. A penny more than his release fee would be a waste of money to the buying club!

Gana was decent last season, and will do well in a better side next season wherever he goes. With Gardner, Tshibola, Lyden, possibly Stan, Veretout, etc we still have cover there. Westwood may well go too, at which point I think another centre mid would be needed.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: LeeB on July 12, 2016, 12:54:36 AM: Quote from: ozzjim on July 12, 2016, 12:25:51 AM
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on July 11, 2016, 11:34:25 PM
Quote from: Russ aka Big Nose on July 11, 2016, 10:28:08 PM
Quote from: Mouse Potato on July 11, 2016, 10:08:01 PM
Hopefully someone else meets Gana's clause fee and triggers a bidding war

If they do - then the bidding war will be about his wages and not the fee to us.

Though it doesn't look popular on here, I would say he was one of the better performers is a very poor team. Our defense lacked organisation and we had no goal threat - neither down to Gana as his job was to break up play and move the ball on quickly to someone else - I think he managed that more often than anyone else asked to do that job.

Yeah, but why wouldn't we try to get a higher fee for him. That's what bidding wars are about. Bring on the bidding war, say I.

Because anyone can bid 7.1 million and buy him. A penny more than his release fee would be a waste of money to the buying club!

Gana was decent last season, and will do well in a better side next season wherever he goes. With Gardner, Tshibola, Lyden, possibly Stan, Veretout, etc we still have cover there. Westwood may well go too, at which point I think another centre mid would be needed.

Yes, yes, but what if someone came in with £10m? We'd be fools to turn money like that down.

I think we should hold fire.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on July 12, 2016, 01:11:53 AM: Quote from: Sexual Ealing on July 11, 2016, 11:34:25 PM
Quote from: Russ aka Big Nose on July 11, 2016, 10:28:08 PM
Quote from: Mouse Potato on July 11, 2016, 10:08:01 PM
Hopefully someone else meets Gana's clause fee and triggers a bidding war

If they do - then the bidding war will be about his wages and not the fee to us.

Though it doesn't look popular on here, I would say he was one of the better performers is a very poor team. Our defense lacked organisation and we had no goal threat - neither down to Gana as his job was to break up play and move the ball on quickly to someone else - I think he managed that more often than anyone else asked to do that job.

Yeah, but why wouldn't we try to get a higher fee for him. That's what bidding wars are about. Bring on the bidding war, say I.

It has to to be established in the media that a club has a war chest before they can even contemplate entering a bidding war. Once it is confirmed in a tabloid that a manager of a club has been given a war chest, they can then engage in a bidding war.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: eamonn on July 12, 2016, 01:51:35 AM: No more quotathons you fuckers.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Concrete Tom on July 12, 2016, 07:36:07 AM: Quote from: eamonn on July 12, 2016, 01:51:35 AM
No more quotathons you fuckers.

Understood.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Duncan Shaw on July 12, 2016, 08:20:45 AM: So, according to the Beeb gossip column this morning - we feature three times which is a suprise in itself -
We want Kodjia from Bristol - OK, worth a punt, tick
Gueye off to Marseille for £7.1m - tick as discussed here (unless we can get a bidding war going of course winky)
Sincalir to Celtic for £3m - tick tick TICK, start the car etc.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 12, 2016, 08:27:53 AM: Richards has a £5m release clause...tick
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on July 12, 2016, 08:35:08 AM: Charles N'Zogbia is a tick.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Eckybloke on July 12, 2016, 08:38:19 AM: I saw last night on Twitter that whispers_avfc account was saying no bids for Gana.

Has that account been discredited or was some of the stuff coming out of it fairly true?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Duncan Shaw on July 12, 2016, 08:42:35 AM: Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on July 12, 2016, 08:27:53 AM
Richards has a £5m release clause...tick
Is that for real?
If we could get that for him it would be steal of the century - still got gut feel Sunderland will be in for him and if they got in a bidding war with say Stoke, we could drive the price up above the release fee!
I suspect he won't be happy that RDM played him right back in the first training match either!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Richard E on July 12, 2016, 08:44:10 AM: Quote from: Duncan Shaw on July 12, 2016, 08:42:35 AM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on July 12, 2016, 08:27:53 AM
Richards has a £5m release clause...tick
Is that for real?
If we could get that for him it would be steal of the century - still got gut feel Sunderland will be in for him and if they got in a bidding war with say Stoke, we could drive the price up above the release fee!
I suspect he won't be happy that RDM played him right back in the first training match either!

Let's not go there again!!!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 12, 2016, 08:45:31 AM: exactly - if £5m is the fee why would some one then go and double it! Please no more!!!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on July 12, 2016, 08:45:47 AM: That Whispers accounts is garbage.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 12, 2016, 08:52:02 AM: I read this morning that he has a clause and Sunderland were interested, Too good to be true
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: chrisf on July 12, 2016, 08:58:49 AM: Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on July 12, 2016, 08:27:53 AM
Richards has a £5m release clause...tick
On behalf of Aston Villa FC, I'd like to make it clear that it's not necessary for interested clubs to meet the quoted 'release clause' or indeed to get anywhere fucking near it for the purchase of Micah Richards.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 12, 2016, 09:16:48 AM: Quote from: LeeB on July 12, 2016, 12:54:36 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on July 12, 2016, 12:25:51 AM
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on July 11, 2016, 11:34:25 PM
Quote from: Russ aka Big Nose on July 11, 2016, 10:28:08 PM
Quote from: Mouse Potato on July 11, 2016, 10:08:01 PM
Hopefully someone else meets Gana's clause fee and triggers a bidding war

If they do - then the bidding war will be about his wages and not the fee to us.

Though it doesn't look popular on here, I would say he was one of the better performers is a very poor team. Our defense lacked organisation and we had no goal threat - neither down to Gana as his job was to break up play and move the ball on quickly to someone else - I think he managed that more often than anyone else asked to do that job.

Yeah, but why wouldn't we try to get a higher fee for him. That's what bidding wars are about. Bring on the bidding war, say I.

Because anyone can bid 7.1 million and buy him. A penny more than his release fee would be a waste of money to the buying club!

Gana was decent last season, and will do well in a better side next season wherever he goes. With Gardner, Tshibola, Lyden, possibly Stan, Veretout, etc we still have cover there. Westwood may well go too, at which point I think another centre mid would be needed.

Yes, yes, but what if someone came in with £10m? We'd be fools to turn money like that down.

I think we should hold fire.

Exactly. As soon as we have more than one interested party we just keep doubling the fee, clause or no clause. We should then swap him for eight of the other team's players rather than asking for cash.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on July 12, 2016, 09:24:40 AM: Quote from: tomd2103 on July 12, 2016, 01:11:53 AM
Quote from: Sexual Ealing on July 11, 2016, 11:34:25 PM
Quote from: Russ aka Big Nose on July 11, 2016, 10:28:08 PM
Quote from: Mouse Potato on July 11, 2016, 10:08:01 PM
Hopefully someone else meets Gana's clause fee and triggers a bidding war

If they do - then the bidding war will be about his wages and not the fee to us.

Though it doesn't look popular on here, I would say he was one of the better performers is a very poor team. Our defense lacked organisation and we had no goal threat - neither down to Gana as his job was to break up play and move the ball on quickly to someone else - I think he managed that more often than anyone else asked to do that job.

Yeah, but why wouldn't we try to get a higher fee for him. That's what bidding wars are about. Bring on the bidding war, say I.

It has to to be established in the media that a club has a war chest before they can even contemplate entering a bidding war. Once it is confirmed in a tabloid that a manager of a club has been given a war chest, they can then engage in a bidding war.

As I understand it, once a release clause is triggered then the selling club lose control. The player and their agent then decide where they go and clubs competing to buy the player bid on wages, length of deal and other features.

If Gana has a £7.1m release clause then there could be a dozen clubs in for him and it will not matter, we will not get more than £7.1m and we do not decide where he goes.

And we cannot decide to trade for players rather than cash unless the buying club and player being sold agree, i.e. we control no part of the deal.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: eamonn on July 12, 2016, 09:30:49 AM: Quote from: Ads on July 12, 2016, 08:45:47 AM
That Whispers accounts is garbage.

Harsh, he has an aura of mystery unheard of in today's world where lives are played out online.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: paul_e on July 12, 2016, 09:51:56 AM: How is it that after a year and about 15 separate uses of the 'bidding war' joke people still don't get that it's a joke?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Duncan Shaw on July 12, 2016, 09:55:28 AM: Quote from: paul_e on July 12, 2016, 09:51:56 AM
How is it that after a year and about 15 separate uses of the 'bidding war' joke people still don't get that it's a joke?
I don't know, it's quite good sport though!

By the way, any idea why Barry didn...........OK won't go there!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 12, 2016, 10:02:38 AM: no, let's !!!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on July 12, 2016, 10:27:31 AM: Barry had been knobbled by Fabregas and was off receiving treatment at the time.

Andrew Greaves never played for Villa.

The release clause can be met by any number of clubs.

I am not mega lulz.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: MoetVillan on July 12, 2016, 10:41:45 AM: Is it Clark with an e or not, im always a bit confused
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Richard E on July 12, 2016, 10:44:44 AM: Quote from: MoetVillan on July 12, 2016, 10:41:45 AM
Is it Clark with an e or not, im always a bit confused

Best not to risk it, we'd better sell him just to be on the safe side.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on July 12, 2016, 10:56:33 AM: That's just silly. I think they should both change their names by deed poll to Scrivener.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Richard E on July 12, 2016, 11:09:42 AM: Yes Brian, but that would still leave us with the dilemma - is it Scrivener Clark or Scrivener Clarke?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: chrisw1 on July 12, 2016, 12:21:24 PM: @TFS_NorwichCity: Aston Villa and Norwich have both had £6 million bids accepted for midfielder Jeff Hendrick #avfc #ncfc #dcfc

http://www.thefootballsocial.co.uk/norwich_city/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on July 12, 2016, 12:32:25 PM: Must admit I was very impressed with him in the Euros and in a Derby game I saw.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 12, 2016, 12:46:05 PM: That's the sort of signing that would get me really excited for our promotion prospects this season.

International who had a decent tournament and is a very good player at that level for Derby so proven championship quality which with respect to likes of Gollini and Tshibola they just aren't yet.

Seems Burnley had a 3m bid turned down for him so it's worth asking the question at least.

It's years since we were able to sign decent players from other premier league clubs, surely we can at least do that at championship level with the budget we now have.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: in exile on July 12, 2016, 12:47:56 PM: I'd be pleased too.
I was very impressed with him at the Euro's but not seen too much of him for Derby
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 12, 2016, 12:51:22 PM: Quote from: in exile on July 12, 2016, 12:47:56 PM
I'd be pleased too.
I was very impressed with him at the Euro's but not seen too much of him for Derby

Derby have a lot of good players in central midfield so possible they may let him if bid is high enough, have Bradley Johnson, Butterfield, Will Hughes, Bryson and Thorne (injured again tho) as other midfield options plus whoever Pearson signs (were linked with Nick Powell yesterday).

One of the great football mysteries how Derby can never get promoted. They are like the Arsenal of the championship, good to watch and top of the league at xmas but always bottle it from March onwards.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on July 12, 2016, 12:52:34 PM: Quote from: in exile on July 12, 2016, 12:47:56 PM
I'd be pleased too.
I was very impressed with him at the Euro's but not seen too much of him for Derby

Right sort of age as well. 24 with a couple of hundred Championship appearances behind him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: RussellC on July 12, 2016, 12:58:41 PM: Quote from: footyskillz on July 11, 2016, 11:20:29 PM
Quote from: olaftab on July 11, 2016, 08:51:54 PM
Just looked at the squad. We have NO NUMBER 10. So we obviously need a number 10. ;)

Options : like to bring in giovincho from Toronto mls too good over there and decent enough to own championship .

My sources in Ghana are telling me that we do actually have a number 10...

http://www.footballghana.com/jordan-ayew-wear-jersey-no-10-second-season-aston-villa/#inscore_ifheight_xdc_3286
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on July 12, 2016, 01:02:47 PM: Hendrick was alright I suppose, he reminded me of Brett Holman, but better.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on July 12, 2016, 01:05:51 PM: Hendrick's got some goalscoring ability, doesn't he? I think that's the big thing missing from our midfield - Westwood is tidy but that's pretty much it, Sanchez finds dealing with a brick shithouse of a centre forward less terrifying than the prospect of making a five metre pass, Veretout has lovely vision but still has big adjustments to make, injuries seem to have nullified the goalscoring ability that Gardner showed in the U21s, and Tshibola sounds exciting but I notice he hasn't managed a senior goal yet.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: AVH87 on July 12, 2016, 01:16:54 PM: Quote from: chrisw1 on July 12, 2016, 12:21:24 PM
@TFS_NorwichCity: Aston Villa and Norwich have both had £6 million bids accepted for midfielder Jeff Hendrick #avfc #ncfc #dcfc

http://www.thefootballsocial.co.uk/norwich_city/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

RDM said he wanted some players to leave before more came in - so maybe it's Gana out for £7m to Marseille, Hendrick in for £6m from Derby.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on July 12, 2016, 01:21:42 PM: Quote from: passitsideways on July 12, 2016, 01:05:51 PM
Hendrick's got some goalscoring ability, doesn't he? I think that's the big thing missing from our midfield - Westwood is tidy but that's pretty much it, Sanchez finds dealing with a brick shithouse of a centre forward less terrifying than the prospect of making a five metre pass, Veretout has lovely vision but still has big adjustments to make, injuries seem to have nullified the goalscoring ability that Gardner showed in the U21s, and Tshibola sounds exciting but I notice he hasn't managed a senior goal yet.

He does chip in with goals from midfield, which as you say, we have been missing for some time.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 12, 2016, 01:26:48 PM: has the twitter account been verified and/or has it been reported elsewhere?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on July 12, 2016, 01:29:19 PM: Quote from: Clampy on July 12, 2016, 01:02:47 PM
Hendrick was alright I suppose, he reminded me of Brett Holman, but better.

betterish. Thought he looked exactly what he is to be honest - a decent Championship player. I just don't want to laden the squad with decent Championship players. Bit of a 'meh' for me but if he signed and offered more than Sanchez, Gana, Westwood, Veretout, etc etc I'd have no complaints.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 12, 2016, 01:30:46 PM: Hendrick is potentially mid-table Premier League at the least, he's a very talented player.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: darren woolley on July 12, 2016, 01:38:18 PM: I would be more than happy signing Hendrick good player.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 12, 2016, 01:41:30 PM: Quote from: Dave on July 12, 2016, 12:52:34 PM
Quote from: in exile on July 12, 2016, 12:47:56 PM
I'd be pleased too.
I was very impressed with him at the Euro's but not seen too much of him for Derby

Right sort of age as well. 24 with a couple of hundred Championship appearances behind him.

He's also a big lad, not the type to get bullied or pushed off the ball. That will we a welcomed change in our midfield.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: OCD on July 12, 2016, 01:44:28 PM: He's only 24 so he has time to go from being a good Championship player to a Premier League player. It would be good to have a genuine Irish player playing for us, it seems to have been a while.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: godzvilla on July 12, 2016, 01:51:34 PM: Apparently Naarwich also have a 7mil bid in for Assomba(linga)longa at Forest, would very much have liked him at the Villa.............Godzvilla!.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on July 12, 2016, 01:52:47 PM: Quote from: OCD on July 12, 2016, 01:44:28 PM
He's only 24 so he has time to go from being a good Championship player to a Premier League player. It would be good to have a genuine Irish player playing for us, it seems to have been a while.

Agree and those are the type of signings we look to be going for.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KevinGage on July 12, 2016, 01:55:28 PM: Kept an eye on him when I could after we were linked last summer.

Must admit I wasn't hugely impressed with him at the Euros.

Good athlete, but seems to lack composure in possession. Might be better in the Championship, when you can give the ball away more and get it back.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sid1964 on July 12, 2016, 01:56:59 PM: if it is true, then lets hope that he chooses us!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 12, 2016, 02:22:29 PM: Was thinking why he might choose Norwich over us.

Location wise, we're closer to Derby and Ireland. Obviously we're the bigger club. We should have more dosh than they do too.

Only things that Norwich may have is that Brady and Hoolahan may be friends with him from the Ireland team and that he may think they have a better squad and thus more likely to go up, after our hopeless season last year.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Chris Jameson on July 12, 2016, 02:34:09 PM: Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 12, 2016, 01:26:48 PM
has the twitter account been verified and/or has it been reported elsewhere?

Looks like it was an account called Football is our Life (@soccer_not) with 597 followers who broke the news.
Definitely think this is going to happen, wonder what number shirt he'll be given.

Their recent tweets include:

Nonces chatting shit and I'm like #swfc (Gif of the Pink Panther)

Bored of middle aged nonces acting half their age

Leeds set to sign Sheffield Wednesday fans #melts #lufc #swfc

However Lewis Cook is set to join Newcastle for £4,000,000 with Papiss Cisse going the other way #lufc #nufc
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: john2710 on July 12, 2016, 06:53:42 PM: I can't understand why we'd buy Gana for £9m but agree a release clause of £7.1m in the contract.

But then again, we've made so many basic errors over the last few years it's not that much of a surprise.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: exigo on July 12, 2016, 07:37:36 PM: Quote from: john2710 on July 12, 2016, 06:53:42 PM
I can't understand why we'd buy Gana for £9m but agree a release clause of £7.1m in the contract.

But then again, we've made so many basic errors over the last few years it's not that much of a surprise.

It probably was a release clause of £9m. It's just that since Sterling has slipped down the shitter, it's now only worth £7.1m at today's exchange rate.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on July 12, 2016, 07:55:08 PM: Quote from: exigo on July 12, 2016, 07:37:36 PM
Quote from: john2710 on July 12, 2016, 06:53:42 PM
I can't understand why we'd buy Gana for £9m but agree a release clause of £7.1m in the contract.

But then again, we've made so many basic errors over the last few years it's not that much of a surprise.

It probably was a release clause of £9m. It's just that since Sterling has slipped down the shitter, it's now only worth £7.1m at today's exchange rate.
Maybe a premiership release clause and a championship release clause? Who knows, Benteke may have had a second release clause below 32.5 mill in the event we'd gone done whilst he was here.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 12, 2016, 08:22:47 PM: Only official bid has come in from Burnley so far.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villatillidie25 on July 12, 2016, 08:29:55 PM: It's unlikely that it's due to the exchange rate because it would seem strange if we put a euro release clause in his contract. A £ release clause now is the same as a £ release clause was 2 weeks ago.
I suspect we put a relegation release clause in his contract and that's why it's lower than the amount we reportedly paid for him
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Richard E on July 12, 2016, 08:41:02 PM: Meaning Evil are saying Marseille can't afford Gana so they're looking at Carlos Sanchez instead.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on July 12, 2016, 08:43:25 PM: Quote from: Richard E on July 12, 2016, 08:41:02 PM
Meaning Evil are saying Marseille can't afford Gana so they're looking at Carlos Sanchez instead.

You get what you pay for...
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on July 12, 2016, 08:44:44 PM: Quote from: Richard E on July 12, 2016, 08:41:02 PM
Meaning Evil are saying Marseille can't afford Gana so they're looking at Carlos Sanchez instead.

Discount deal for both?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Nastylee on July 12, 2016, 08:45:01 PM: Who said he actually cost £9m in the first place? Then you have the fact that some of the fee was probably add ons. Take into the fact he's scored f-all and only played a max of 40 games then he's probably not triggered them either.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Risso on July 12, 2016, 08:47:33 PM: Quote from: UK Redsox on July 12, 2016, 08:44:44 PM
Quote from: Richard E on July 12, 2016, 08:41:02 PM
Meaning Evil are saying Marseille can't afford Gana so they're looking at Carlos Sanchez instead.

Discount deal for both?

Why get only one useless defensive midfielder, when you can buy one and get one free. I said you buy one, you get one free.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: saunders_heroes on July 12, 2016, 08:49:41 PM: Christ how desperate are Marseille?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on July 12, 2016, 08:49:49 PM: Quote from: Richard E on July 12, 2016, 08:41:02 PM
Meaning Evil are saying Marseille can't afford Gana so they're looking at Carlos Sanchez instead.

Cor, winner!!! That would be an even better move for us.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on July 12, 2016, 08:53:03 PM: I must admit I've always had more patience than others with the boring, five yard pass defensive midfielders. I think Sanchez is a fantastic player until the ball, or an offensive midfielder come anywhere near him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on July 12, 2016, 09:14:11 PM: Quote from: Villatillidie25 on July 12, 2016, 08:29:55 PM
It's unlikely that it's due to the exchange rate because it would seem strange if we put a euro release clause in his contract. A £ release clause now is the same as a £ release clause was 2 weeks ago.
I suspect we put a relegation release clause in his contract and that's why it's lower than the amount we reportedly paid for him

We probably paid the fee in Euros and quite possibly the release clause is the same as the fee paid, but given the loss in value of sterling if a deal happened we would lose out just based on exchange rates.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KRS on July 12, 2016, 09:19:06 PM: Hendrick would be more useful to us than having both Gana and Sanchez on the pitch. If we can get rid of that pair of numpties and sign someone like Hendrick with drive, determination, passion and reasonably talented, then those are the kind of players that will get us promoted at the first time of asking.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 12, 2016, 09:39:51 PM: Quote from: Richard E on July 12, 2016, 08:41:02 PM
Meaning Evil are saying Marseille can't afford Gana so they're looking at Carlos Sanchez instead.

Marseilles are clearly a club after my own heart when it comes to shopping.

'They haven't got it here, we'll need to go to a couple more shops.'
'Fuck that. I'm sure I'll find a suitable alternative here.'
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on July 12, 2016, 09:49:04 PM: Quote from: PeterWithe on July 12, 2016, 08:43:25 PM
Quote from: Richard E on July 12, 2016, 08:41:02 PM
Meaning Evil are saying Marseille can't afford Gana so they're looking at Carlos Sanchez instead.

You get what you pay for...

£7.10 seems about right
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 12, 2016, 09:58:24 PM: Quote from: saunders_heroes on July 12, 2016, 08:49:41 PM
Christ how desperate are Marseille?

They are worse than us in selling key players.

Sold Andre Ayew, Thuvain and Payet last summer and went from 3rd to nearly being relegated.

Already sold Batshayui to Chelsea this summer.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Big Dick Edwards on July 12, 2016, 10:01:11 PM: Quote from: SoccerHQ on July 12, 2016, 09:58:24 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on July 12, 2016, 08:49:41 PM
Christ how desperate are Marseille?

They are worse than us in selling key players.

Sold Andre Ayew, Thuvain and Payet last summer and went from 3rd to nearly being relegated.

Already sold Batshayui to Chelsea this summer.

Sounds like Gana needs to do his homework before joining another sinking ship.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villafirst on July 12, 2016, 11:05:51 PM: To be honest, I think I'd rather keep Sanchez than Gana. I think Carlos will do ok in the Championship. His robust style might just suit at that level.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on July 12, 2016, 11:07:21 PM: Quote from: Villafirst on July 12, 2016, 11:05:51 PM
To be honest, I think I'd rather keep Sanchez than Gana. I think Carlos will do ok in the Championship. His robust style might just suit at that level.

Forgot about pondering Carlos !
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on July 12, 2016, 11:11:37 PM: The people slagging off Gana have never explained how he managed to only finish behind Kante in tackles+interceptions in the league last season. I mean, did he get that many by accident? Also, Kante completed fewer passes at a lower percentage, and nobody's accused him of giving the ball away as often as he wins it the same way it's apparently the case with Gana.

If we manage to keep him, he'll be one of the best midfielders in the Championship, provided that we add midfielders who complement his strengths rather than magnifying his weaknesses.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on July 12, 2016, 11:13:30 PM: Gana was another player who was dragged down to our level, in the early games he looked an upgrade on Delph.

He won't be playing in the championship for us.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on July 12, 2016, 11:19:37 PM: Quote from: passitsideways on July 12, 2016, 11:11:37 PM
The people slagging off Gana have never explained how he managed to only finish behind Kante in tackles+interceptions in the league last season. I mean, did he get that many by accident? Also, Kante completed fewer passes at a lower percentage, and nobody's accused him of giving the ball away as often as he wins it the same way it's apparently the case with Gana.

If we manage to keep him, he'll be one of the best midfielders in the Championship, provided that we add midfielders who complement his strengths rather than magnifying his weaknesses.

Sissoko and Wijnaldum are the best two midfilders . Gana isn't as good as then is he ! so we need to compete with rivals and get players like these. His shooting is some of the worst even more so than snake delph
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Chris Jameson on July 12, 2016, 11:34:52 PM: The Sissoko who played for France was a good player, the one who played for Newcastle last season wasn't, I'm with passitsideways on Gana, he's not as bad as some are making him out to be. Sanchez, on the other hand.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 13, 2016, 12:20:49 AM: Sanchez is a horrific player from what I've seen of him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on July 13, 2016, 12:42:21 AM: Quote from: Sexual Ealing on July 13, 2016, 12:20:49 AM
Sanchez is a horrific player from what I've seen of him.

Yet then is of of the mainstays in a good Colombian international side. I just think the pace of the game is too quick for him in this country and he gets rushed in possession. Some of his passing is genuinely woeful.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on July 13, 2016, 01:34:07 AM: I wrote a season or two back was that the problem with Sanchez was that he wasn't quick enough to dictate the tempo of our game, and see we as a teamed struggled. He actually wasn't too bad at the intercept stuff and waas generally okay on the ball. Since he has tried to adapt more to the pace of the game and the change in thinking time, his technique has gone to pot. He dithers when closed and he can't react quick enough because he can't cope with having to think quickly with the ball. That's also why he looks better playing with a slower-paced Colombian national team.

I'd get rid of him because that won't change and in the Championship - at the very least it'll be 6-10 games in before sides stop trying to tear into us - he won't get as much time as afforded in the Premier League. He'll be a liability.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on July 13, 2016, 07:27:19 AM: I agree with all of that Peter but I think at least a good deal of his slow thinking could be helped by good coaching. I have commented before that Stan Petrov is very adept at not being dispossessed. As soon as he gets the ball he turns giving himself time to think and to pick a pass. Barry is also very good at it. Sanchez wins the ball well then stands or runs straight, both of which give an opponent the chance to get him in the cross wires and pick his pocket. If he suspects it coming he panics and passes wildly. Sherwood tried him at centre back against Forest in the warm up last season and he was terrible.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KRS on July 13, 2016, 07:46:00 AM: Speaking of which...I doubt Koeman would have plans to include Barry at Everton much next season, so a player of his experience may be useful in the Championship. He played a fair amount last season under Martinez, but he's 35 now with 1 year left on his current contact so he may even end up being released if he isn't part of Koemans plans.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: MoetVillan on July 13, 2016, 08:55:59 AM: Can Barry take penalties?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 13, 2016, 08:57:29 AM: Sanchez is toss, Gana looked good in a poor team. Both should leave.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: RussellC on July 13, 2016, 09:31:44 AM: Sanchez can be quite good. Unfortunately, and just as frequently, he can absolutely abysmal. His performance at The Emirates 2 seasons ago was arguably the worst that I've ever seen in a Villa shirt.

He's 30 and we currently have Gana, Tshibola, Westwood, Veretout, Gardner and Lyden (have I forgotten anyone?!) who can play in central midfield. If there's a cash offer on the table, I'd take it in a heartbeat.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ClaretAndBlueBlood on July 13, 2016, 10:10:16 AM: Quote from: KRS on July 13, 2016, 07:46:00 AM
Speaking of which...I doubt Koeman would have plans to include Barry at Everton much next season, so a player of his experience may be useful in the Championship. He played a fair amount last season under Martinez, but he's 35 now with 1 year left on his current contact so he may even end up being released if he isn't part of Koemans plans.

and there is no way he will be dropping down to the championship when side in the premier league are awash with money
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on July 13, 2016, 10:13:07 AM: Quote from: brian green on July 13, 2016, 07:27:19 AM
I agree with all of that Peter but I think at least a good deal of his slow thinking could be helped by good coaching. I have commented before that Stan Petrov is very adept at not being dispossessed. As soon as he gets the ball he turns giving himself time to think and to pick a pass. Barry is also very good at it. Sanchez wins the ball well then stands or runs straight, both of which give an opponent the chance to get him in the cross wires and pick his pocket. If he suspects it coming he panics and passes wildly. Sherwood tried him at centre back against Forest in the warm up last season and he was terrible.

I've always wondered why he doesn't did a ball chop in the very least when defending the ball. All central midfielders need and have at least one trick to evade the attackers. Petrov and Barry certainly did and yes, it wouldn't be hard to coach.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: RussellC on July 13, 2016, 10:18:20 AM: Petrov was (is?) also excellent at winning free-kicks when it looked like he was about to be dispossessed. If you ever get chance, watch the first half our our League Cup final against ManUre. It was almost a masterclass in how to keep possession against quicker (better) players from Stan.

It's that kind of nous that was so severely lacking in our squad last season.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: godzvilla on July 13, 2016, 10:54:11 AM: Another aspect to be taken into consideration ( imo) when looking for and signing new players, is the upcoming 2017 Africa Cup of Nations, taking place in Gabon starting January 2017. Historically, depending on how well a team does, players may be away from minimum 3 to max 6 weeks ( I could stand corrected on the exact time period ) .
Currently we would ( if they were chosen ) be without the services of:
Gana / Senegal.
Jordan Ayew / Ghana
Rudy Gestede / Benin.
If we sign Jonathan Kodjia , he would probably be away with the Ivory Coast.
That´s a lot of players to be without at a very busy and important part of the season ( Jan-Feb )...............Godzvilla!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Gareth on July 13, 2016, 10:56:05 AM: So what positions do we think are still required to be filled?

I was looking at what the squad might look like - would guess much like the Prem we would want a squad of 25 to account for extra games etc perhaps 3xGK, 2xRB, 2xLB, 5xCB, 6xCM, 3xWingers, 4xST

GKs - Gollini, Steer, Bunn
RBs - ??, Hutton
LBs - Amavi, Bennett
CBs - Elphick, Okore, Baker, ??, Toner
CMs - Gana, Tshibola, Veretout, Gardner, Lyden, Petrov (maybe)
WM - Grealish, ??, ??
ST - Gestede, Ayew, ??, Hepburn-Murphy

That would mean 1xRB, 1xCB, 2xWinger, 1xST required + 1xCM if Petrov isn't signed up.

This would leave surplus to requirements :-) - Guzan, Cissohko, Richards, Lescott, Clark, Westwood, Sanchez, Gil, Bacuna, Traore, Kozak, Agbonlahor & Sinclair

Can't see 5 more in & 13 out so I think we have to get used to seeing far too many of last seasons squad of cowards in the side again :-(
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 13, 2016, 11:01:33 AM: Sanchez is worth keeping for comedy value. I think he wins the award for the player who looks least like a proffesional footballer in the past 20 odd years of Aston Villa.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: RussellC on July 13, 2016, 11:04:17 AM: I don't think he'll let Clark go, to be honest. For all of his faults he's one that never shires away from a challenge and (I believe) will be desperate to help us get back-up. Baker and Okore are both frequenters of the treatment-room and Elphick was out injured for the majority of last season. I'd expect Lescott to go, Richards to go (or be used as a full-back) but can actually see Clark having a big part to play still.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Gareth on July 13, 2016, 11:06:47 AM: Quote from: Clark W Griswold on July 13, 2016, 11:01:33 AM
Sanchez is worth keeping for comedy value. I think he wins the award for the player who looks least like a proffesional footballer in the past 20 odd years of Aston Villa.

I think he is an odd one, can look perfectly good for 80 odd minutes but has 5 mins virtually every game where he plays like a novice
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Gareth on July 13, 2016, 11:09:27 AM: Quote from: RussellC on July 13, 2016, 11:04:17 AM
I don't think he'll let Clark go, to be honest. For all of his faults he's one that never shires away from a challenge and (I believe) will be desperate to help us get back-up. Baker and Okore are both frequenters of the treatment-room and Elphick was out injured for the majority of last season. I'd expect Lescott to go, Richards to go (or be used as a full-back) but can actually see Clark having a big part to play still.

I think the time has come to move on one of Clark or Baker as they have been in consistently losing sides for all of their first team careers - Baker at least played at this level last season
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on July 13, 2016, 11:12:52 AM: With it confirmed the FA are in talks with Dudley's own Mike Basset with regards the England job, I think we can kiss goodbye any hopes any other manager will be stupid enough to stump up any cash for Richards

Pray he turns em down after the meeting
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 13, 2016, 11:20:21 AM: Quote from: Gareth on July 13, 2016, 11:06:47 AM
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on July 13, 2016, 11:01:33 AM
Sanchez is worth keeping for comedy value. I think he wins the award for the player who looks least like a proffesional footballer in the past 20 odd years of Aston Villa.

I think he is an odd one, can look perfectly good for 80 odd minutes but has 5 mins virtually every game where he plays like a novice

Quite right, I'm not suggesting he's as bad as some we've had over that period (although he is fairly shit) but more that he looks like he's rolled in off the set of 'boyz n the hood'.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: RussellC on July 13, 2016, 11:20:46 AM: Quote from: Gareth on July 13, 2016, 11:09:27 AM
Quote from: RussellC on July 13, 2016, 11:04:17 AM
I don't think he'll let Clark go, to be honest. For all of his faults he's one that never shires away from a challenge and (I believe) will be desperate to help us get back-up. Baker and Okore are both frequenters of the treatment-room and Elphick was out injured for the majority of last season. I'd expect Lescott to go, Richards to go (or be used as a full-back) but can actually see Clark having a big part to play still.

I think the time has come to move on one of Clark or Baker as they have been in consistently losing sides for all of their first team careers - Baker at least played at this level last season

I agree with the sentiment, I just wouldn't want to lose both of them at the same time (and assuming that Lescott will go too). Baker may have more experience of The Championship but he's also a lot more injury-prone and that alone would persuade me to prioritise keeping Clark.

Clark was a really accomplished and assured young defender when he first came into the first-team and his confidence has been shattered by playing in so many poor Villa sides - although he does have to take his share of the responsibility for this. I honestly think that if he'd been given more opportunity to develop alongside someone like Mellberg or Laursen he'd be a completely different player now.

Another advantage is that he's his left-sided. I can't imagine for one second that Okore would be comfortable playing there (as he never really looks comfortable playing on his natural side).
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Gareth on July 13, 2016, 11:28:36 AM: Quote from: RussellC on July 13, 2016, 11:20:46 AM
Quote from: Gareth on July 13, 2016, 11:09:27 AM
Quote from: RussellC on July 13, 2016, 11:04:17 AM
I don't think he'll let Clark go, to be honest. For all of his faults he's one that never shires away from a challenge and (I believe) will be desperate to help us get back-up. Baker and Okore are both frequenters of the treatment-room and Elphick was out injured for the majority of last season. I'd expect Lescott to go, Richards to go (or be used as a full-back) but can actually see Clark having a big part to play still.

I think the time has come to move on one of Clark or Baker as they have been in consistently losing sides for all of their first team careers - Baker at least played at this level last season

I agree with the sentiment, I just wouldn't want to lose both of them at the same time (and assuming that Lescott will go too). Baker may have more experience of The Championship but he's also a lot more injury-prone and that alone would persuade me to prioritise keeping Clark.

Clark was a really accomplished and assured young defender when he first came into the first-team and his confidence has been shattered by playing in so many poor Villa sides - although he does have to take his share of the responsibility for this. I honestly think that if he'd been given more opportunity to develop alongside someone like Mellberg or Laursen he'd be a completely different player now.

Another advantage is that he's his left-sided. I can't imagine for one second that Okore would be comfortable playing there (as he never really looks comfortable playing on his natural side).

Agree ref Clark in his early days he looked very accomplished & he is a talker so would be happy enough with either Clark or Baker just not both
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: paul_e on July 13, 2016, 11:32:54 AM: Quote from: footyskillz on July 12, 2016, 11:19:37 PM
Quote from: passitsideways on July 12, 2016, 11:11:37 PM
The people slagging off Gana have never explained how he managed to only finish behind Kante in tackles+interceptions in the league last season. I mean, did he get that many by accident? Also, Kante completed fewer passes at a lower percentage, and nobody's accused him of giving the ball away as often as he wins it the same way it's apparently the case with Gana.

If we manage to keep him, he'll be one of the best midfielders in the Championship, provided that we add midfielders who complement his strengths rather than magnifying his weaknesses.

Sissoko and Wijnaldum are the best two midfilders . Gana isn't as good as then is he ! so we need to compete with rivals and get players like these. His shooting is some of the worst even more so than snake delph

Disagree completely. Sissoko made Gabby and Richards look committed last season, a good game at the weekend really shouldn't overshadow the fact that he was terrible for most of last season. Wijnaldum was worse though, ask pretty much any Newcastle fan for their thoughts on him and you'll understand pretty quickly that very good performances against Norwich and Tottenham masked a truly awful season from him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on July 13, 2016, 11:37:39 AM: Think I'd keep Clark...more experience and slightly less prone to clangers than Baker, who really needs to find a career somewhere more suited to him...Walsall?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 13, 2016, 11:40:19 AM: Quote from: frankmosswasmyuncle on July 13, 2016, 11:37:39 AM
Think I'd keep Clark...more experience and slightly less prone to clangers than Baker, who really needs to find a career somewhere more suited to him...Walsall?

I would 'off' both of them. Get someone else in, they've both had loads of opportunity and proved time and time again that they're shite.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Mister E on July 13, 2016, 11:44:52 AM: Quote from: Gareth on July 13, 2016, 10:56:05 AM
So what positions do we think are still required to be filled?

I was looking at what the squad might look like - would guess much like the Prem we would want a squad of 25 to account for extra games etc perhaps 3xGK, 2xRB, 2xLB, 5xCB, 6xCM, 3xWingers, 4xST

GKs - Gollini, Steer, Bunn
RBs - ??, Hutton
LBs - Amavi, Bennett
CBs - Elphick, Okore, Baker, ??, Toner
CMs - Gana, Tshibola, Veretout, Gardner, Lyden, Petrov (maybe)
WM - Grealish, ??, ??
ST - Gestede, Ayew, ??, Hepburn-Murphy

That would mean 1xRB, 1xCB, 2xWinger, 1xST required + 1xCM if Petrov isn't signed up.

This would leave surplus to requirements :-) - Guzan, Cissohko, Richards, Lescott, Clark, Westwood, Sanchez, Gil, Bacuna, Traore, Kozak, Agbonlahor & Sinclair

Can't see 5 more in & 13 out so I think we have to get used to seeing far too many of last seasons squad of cowards in the side again :-(
I can see Clark, Westwood and Kozak staying in the squad.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on July 13, 2016, 12:16:31 PM: Quote from: peter w on July 13, 2016, 01:34:07 AM
I wrote a season or two back was that the problem with Sanchez was that he wasn't quick enough to dictate the tempo of our game, and see we as a teamed struggled. He actually wasn't too bad at the intercept stuff and waas generally okay on the ball. Since he has tried to adapt more to the pace of the game and the change in thinking time, his technique has gone to pot. He dithers when closed and he can't react quick enough because he can't cope with having to think quickly with the ball. That's also why he looks better playing with a slower-paced Colombian national team.

I'd get rid of him because that won't change and in the Championship - at the very least it'll be 6-10 games in before sides stop trying to tear into us - he won't get as much time as afforded in the Premier League. He'll be a liability.

I agree Peter and due to his international exploits, I definitely think we'd find a buyer.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on July 13, 2016, 12:26:31 PM: I think RDM will have four centre backs to pick from, two right footers Elphick and Okore, and two left footers Baker and Clark. I can live with that

Also noticed he paired them as a left and right footer at the weekend. Logical to me

Right back seems a problem still with 3 candidates of whom all are shit. Bacuna, Hutton and Richards reads like a comedy trio rather than professional full backs whatever league we're in to me
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: robbo1874 on July 13, 2016, 12:33:51 PM: I'd have one more in, just in case. Preferably from the players already at the club. Any ideas?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: JB1811 on July 13, 2016, 12:36:57 PM: Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on July 13, 2016, 12:26:31 PM

I think RDM will have four centre backs to pick from, two right footers Elphick and Okore, and two left footers Baker and Clark. I can live with that

Also noticed he paired them as a left and right footer at the weekend. Logical to me

Right back seems a problem still with 3 candidates of whom all are shit. Bacuna, Hutton and Richards reads like a comedy trio rather than professional full backs whatever league we're in to me

I think Hutton is still a decent player tbh, always tried, and never really let us down, and his attitude is much better than most of the old squad!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villafirst on July 13, 2016, 12:58:32 PM: Quote from: Mister E on July 13, 2016, 11:44:52 AM
Quote from: Gareth on July 13, 2016, 10:56:05 AM
So what positions do we think are still required to be filled?

I was looking at what the squad might look like - would guess much like the Prem we would want a squad of 25 to account for extra games etc perhaps 3xGK, 2xRB, 2xLB, 5xCB, 6xCM, 3xWingers, 4xST

GKs - Gollini, Steer, Bunn
RBs - ??, Hutton
LBs - Amavi, Bennett
CBs - Elphick, Okore, Baker, ??, Toner
CMs - Gana, Tshibola, Veretout, Gardner, Lyden, Petrov (maybe)
WM - Grealish, ??, ??
ST - Gestede, Ayew, ??, Hepburn-Murphy

That would mean 1xRB, 1xCB, 2xWinger, 1xST required + 1xCM if Petrov isn't signed up.

This would leave surplus to requirements :-) - Guzan, Cissohko, Richards, Lescott, Clark, Westwood, Sanchez, Gil, Bacuna, Traore, Kozak, Agbonlahor & Sinclair

Can't see 5 more in & 13 out so I think we have to get used to seeing far too many of last seasons squad of cowards in the side again :-(
I can see Clark, Westwood and Kozak staying in the squad.

No! Traore has to stay - the guy needs the right guidance from a decent manager and coaching set-up this season.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Chris Jameson on July 13, 2016, 01:19:13 PM: Quote from: Villafirst on July 13, 2016, 12:58:32 PM

No! Traore has to stay - the guy needs the right guidance from a decent manager and coaching set-up this season.

He needs somebody to tell him to stop getting injured.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: paul_e on July 13, 2016, 01:24:55 PM: Quote from: Villafirst on July 13, 2016, 12:58:32 PM
Quote from: Mister E on July 13, 2016, 11:44:52 AM
Quote from: Gareth on July 13, 2016, 10:56:05 AM
So what positions do we think are still required to be filled?

I was looking at what the squad might look like - would guess much like the Prem we would want a squad of 25 to account for extra games etc perhaps 3xGK, 2xRB, 2xLB, 5xCB, 6xCM, 3xWingers, 4xST

GKs - Gollini, Steer, Bunn
RBs - ??, Hutton
LBs - Amavi, Bennett
CBs - Elphick, Okore, Baker, ??, Toner
CMs - Gana, Tshibola, Veretout, Gardner, Lyden, Petrov (maybe)
WM - Grealish, ??, ??
ST - Gestede, Ayew, ??, Hepburn-Murphy

That would mean 1xRB, 1xCB, 2xWinger, 1xST required + 1xCM if Petrov isn't signed up.

This would leave surplus to requirements :-) - Guzan, Cissohko, Richards, Lescott, Clark, Westwood, Sanchez, Gil, Bacuna, Traore, Kozak, Agbonlahor & Sinclair

Can't see 5 more in & 13 out so I think we have to get used to seeing far too many of last seasons squad of cowards in the side again :-(
I can see Clark, Westwood and Kozak staying in the squad.

No! Traore has to stay - the guy needs the right guidance from a decent manager and coaching set-up this season.

I agree, Add Clark, Traore and Kozak to the original list and remove Hepburn-Murphy (He's not played enough games to be included, Lyden and Toner would be borderline for me as well) and I'm ok with that. It leaves us needing a right back, an attacking midfielder/winger and a striker and I'd probably got another defensive midfielder because Tshibola, Gardner, Lyden and Petrov making up 4 of the 6 spots is a huge risk given injury records and experience, a right back who could cover there would work as well.

For the attacking midfielder role I'd love to see us go for Hakim Ziyech. I've mentioned him before but to quantify this the dutch office for my work is based in Enschede so there are a lot of Twente fans and they have all been raving about him for a couple of years.

He's ne of those players who gets linked to clubs but nothing comes from it, has been happening for 3 windows in a row. Swansea and Middlesbrough are the more recent links so I don't think he'd be beyond us if we really sold it to him and he'd definitely give us goals from midfield and improve our set pieces.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on July 13, 2016, 01:29:14 PM: Quote from: Clark W Griswold on July 13, 2016, 11:40:19 AM
Quote from: frankmosswasmyuncle on July 13, 2016, 11:37:39 AM
Think I'd keep Clark...more experience and slightly less prone to clangers than Baker, who really needs to find a career somewhere more suited to him...Walsall?

I would 'off' both of them. Get someone else in, they've both had loads of opportunity and proved time and time again that they're shite.

I prefer Clark over Baker, though both have been around the first team for a number of years and still make the same errors they made when they first started out. I remember the cricketer Shane Warne saying that someone had played 20 first tests, meaning that they had never really improved over that period. I think the same applies to those pair, although Clark did have a good spell of form a couple of seasons ago.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: RussellC on July 13, 2016, 02:07:27 PM: Quite a few links to Preston's right-back Greg Cunningham popping-up online this afternoon. I've no idea about him to be honest.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brontebilly on July 13, 2016, 03:20:54 PM: Quote from: RussellC on July 13, 2016, 02:07:27 PM
Quite a few links to Preston's right-back Greg Cunningham popping-up online this afternoon. I've no idea about him to be honest.

He is a left back, was highly thought of at City a few years back but got lost in the lower leagues for a while

Galway lad, hometown of Eamonn Deacy
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: in exile on July 13, 2016, 03:29:33 PM: Talking of left backs, wasn't Cissohko's agent telling the world his client was off to Turkey a month or so ago?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sid1964 on July 13, 2016, 03:36:12 PM: Not another left back, what is it that all the managers see in our current left backs, that make them want to sign another

Oh I get it, they are all shit!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on July 13, 2016, 03:43:37 PM: Quote from: brontebilly on July 13, 2016, 03:20:54 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 13, 2016, 02:07:27 PM
Quite a few links to Preston's right-back Greg Cunningham popping-up online this afternoon. I've no idea about him to be honest.

He is a left back, was highly thought of at City a few years back but got lost in the lower leagues for a while

Galway lad, hometown of Eamonn Deacy

Which City would that be? There are quite a lot of them.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Gareth on July 13, 2016, 04:03:29 PM: Quote from: Chris Jameson on July 13, 2016, 01:19:13 PM
Quote from: Villafirst on July 13, 2016, 12:58:32 PM

No! Traore has to stay - the guy needs the right guidance from a decent manager and coaching set-up this season.

He needs somebody to tell him to stop getting injured.

We had Traore, Gil & Traore last season as our 'creative' force - they contributed practically nothing between them - Gil is astonishingly weak, Traore seems permanently injured and Jack was a problem from this time last year - in the past Jack has proved he has that rare ability to ghost past players that is why I would invest another year in him, RDM has to find a way to unlock that again.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Stirchley Villain on July 13, 2016, 04:28:58 PM: Traore Gil and Traore. Weren't they Motown songwriters..?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on July 13, 2016, 04:36:01 PM: Quote from: Gareth on July 13, 2016, 04:03:29 PM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on July 13, 2016, 01:19:13 PM
Quote from: Villafirst on July 13, 2016, 12:58:32 PM

No! Traore has to stay - the guy needs the right guidance from a decent manager and coaching set-up this season.

He needs somebody to tell him to stop getting injured.

We had Traore, Gil & Traore last season as our 'creative' force - they contributed practically nothing between them - Gil is astonishingly weak, Traore seems permanently injured and Jack was a problem from this time last year - in the past Jack has proved he has that rare ability to ghost past players that is why I would invest another year in him, RDM has to find a way to unlock that again.

Grealish has to be played in his proper position - the number 10 role. Needs to add goals and assists to his game though.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: andyh on July 13, 2016, 05:04:17 PM: Quote from: tomd2103 on July 13, 2016, 04:36:01 PM
Quote from: Gareth on July 13, 2016, 04:03:29 PM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on July 13, 2016, 01:19:13 PM
Quote from: Villafirst on July 13, 2016, 12:58:32 PM

No! Traore has to stay - the guy needs the right guidance from a decent manager and coaching set-up this season.

He needs somebody to tell him to stop getting injured.

We had Traore, Gil & Traore last season as our 'creative' force - they contributed practically nothing between them - Gil is astonishingly weak, Traore seems permanently injured and Jack was a problem from this time last year - in the past Jack has proved he has that rare ability to ghost past players that is why I would invest another year in him, RDM has to find a way to unlock that again.

Grealish has to be played in his proper position - the number 10 role. Needs to add goals and assists to his game though.
yes he does, but so do most of them !
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Brend'Watkins on July 13, 2016, 05:11:36 PM: Quote from: Gareth on July 13, 2016, 04:03:29 PM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on July 13, 2016, 01:19:13 PM
Quote from: Villafirst on July 13, 2016, 12:58:32 PM

No! Traore has to stay - the guy needs the right guidance from a decent manager and coaching set-up this season.

He needs somebody to tell him to stop getting injured.

We had Traore, Gil & Traore last season as our 'creative' force - they contributed practically nothing between them - Gil is astonishingly weak, Traore seems permanently injured and Jack was a problem from this time last year - in the past Jack has proved he has that rare ability to ghost past players that is why I would invest another year in him, RDM has to find a way to unlock that again.

It's hard to be bracketed in the creative force when you're not on the pitch. I think Traore will rip defences apart next season and Grealish will come good once he gets games and a regular starting slot with a manager who knows how to play him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 13, 2016, 05:26:45 PM: Right-back is an issue. I wouldn't want Bacuna, Hutton or Richards anywhere near our defence. They're a shambles.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Diablo on July 13, 2016, 05:33:03 PM: Quote from: N'ZMAV on July 13, 2016, 05:26:45 PM
Right-back is an issue. I wouldn't want Bacuna, Hutton or Richards anywhere near our defence. They're a shambles.

A good point. Out of a terrible bunch if there was no other options (and I say this through gritted teeth) I'd go with Hutton (at least he puts in some effort).
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on July 13, 2016, 05:37:23 PM: Quote from: N'ZMAV on July 13, 2016, 05:26:45 PM
Right-back is an issue. I wouldn't want Bacuna, Hutton or Richards anywhere near our defence. They're a shambles.

Out of those three, Bacuna is the only one who can defend. The other two have no positional sense whatsoever.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 13, 2016, 05:43:31 PM: I'd prefer we had better, but Bacuna and Hutton are more than adequate for Division 2. Richards would be as well but I think he's a twunt so would be very happy to see him leave.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Gareth on July 13, 2016, 05:51:15 PM: Quote from: Diablo on July 13, 2016, 05:33:03 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on July 13, 2016, 05:26:45 PM
Right-back is an issue. I wouldn't want Bacuna, Hutton or Richards anywhere near our defence. They're a shambles.

A good point. Out of a terrible bunch if there was no other options (and I say this through gritted teeth) I'd go with Hutton (at least he puts in some effort).

Hutton is the most frustrating of all, how many times does he get into the position to deliver a cross but it never makes it
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Diablo on July 13, 2016, 06:10:02 PM: Quote from: Gareth on July 13, 2016, 05:51:15 PM
Quote from: Diablo on July 13, 2016, 05:33:03 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on July 13, 2016, 05:26:45 PM
Right-back is an issue. I wouldn't want Bacuna, Hutton or Richards anywhere near our defence. They're a shambles.

A good point. Out of a terrible bunch if there was no other options (and I say this through gritted teeth) I'd go with Hutton (at least he puts in some effort).

Hutton is the most frustrating of all, how many times does he get into the position to deliver a cross but it never makes it

I'd instruct him to not cross the half way line ;-)
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on July 13, 2016, 06:41:56 PM: Quote from: Diablo on July 13, 2016, 06:10:02 PM
Quote from: Gareth on July 13, 2016, 05:51:15 PM
Quote from: Diablo on July 13, 2016, 05:33:03 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on July 13, 2016, 05:26:45 PM
Right-back is an issue. I wouldn't want Bacuna, Hutton or Richards anywhere near our defence. They're a shambles.

A good point. Out of a terrible bunch if there was no other options (and I say this through gritted teeth) I'd go with Hutton (at least he puts in some effort).

Hutton is the most frustrating of all, how many times does he get into the position to deliver a cross but it never makes it

I'd instruct him to not cross the half way line ;-)

id do the same

they are probably a handful of full backs in the pl who are decent crossers of the ball. i always think its a big ask to ask any player to have the discipline to play as a full back and then go bombing down the wing a put in a decent cross

plus your midfield then need to cover
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: john2710 on July 13, 2016, 07:14:26 PM: Quote from: Villafirst on July 13, 2016, 12:58:32 PM
Quote from: Mister E on July 13, 2016, 11:44:52 AM
Quote from: Gareth on July 13, 2016, 10:56:05 AM
So what positions do we think are still required to be filled?

I was looking at what the squad might look like - would guess much like the Prem we would want a squad of 25 to account for extra games etc perhaps 3xGK, 2xRB, 2xLB, 5xCB, 6xCM, 3xWingers, 4xST

GKs - Gollini, Steer, Bunn
RBs - ??, Hutton
LBs - Amavi, Bennett
CBs - Elphick, Okore, Baker, ??, Toner
CMs - Gana, Tshibola, Veretout, Gardner, Lyden, Petrov (maybe)
WM - Grealish, ??, ??
ST - Gestede, Ayew, ??, Hepburn-Murphy

That would mean 1xRB, 1xCB, 2xWinger, 1xST required + 1xCM if Petrov isn't signed up.

This would leave surplus to requirements :-) - Guzan, Cissohko, Richards, Lescott, Clark, Westwood, Sanchez, Gil, Bacuna, Traore, Kozak, Agbonlahor & Sinclair

Can't see 5 more in & 13 out so I think we have to get used to seeing far too many of last seasons squad of cowards in the side again :-(
I can see Clark, Westwood and Kozak staying in the squad.

No! Traore has to stay - the guy needs the right guidance from a decent manager and coaching set-up this season.

Wouldn't he have had that coaching at Barcelona? I think he's got bags of ability but has a complete lack of understanding that its a team game.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on July 13, 2016, 08:18:57 PM: Quote from: Clampy on July 13, 2016, 05:37:23 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on July 13, 2016, 05:26:45 PM
Right-back is an issue. I wouldn't want Bacuna, Hutton or Richards anywhere near our defence. They're a shambles.

Out of those three, Bacuna is the only one who can defend. The other two have no positional sense whatsoever.

Bacuna can defend? I think he is arguably the worst of them all.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Rudy65 on July 13, 2016, 08:24:44 PM: Quote from: Newby on July 13, 2016, 08:18:57 PM
Quote from: Clampy on July 13, 2016, 05:37:23 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on July 13, 2016, 05:26:45 PM
Right-back is an issue. I wouldn't want Bacuna, Hutton or Richards anywhere near our defence. They're a shambles.

Out of those three, Bacuna is the only one who can defend. The other two have no positional sense whatsoever.

Bacuna can defend? I think he is arguably the worst of them all.

No argument, he is
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on July 13, 2016, 08:29:10 PM: Quote from: Rudy65 on July 13, 2016, 08:24:44 PM
Quote from: Newby on July 13, 2016, 08:18:57 PM
Quote from: Clampy on July 13, 2016, 05:37:23 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on July 13, 2016, 05:26:45 PM
Right-back is an issue. I wouldn't want Bacuna, Hutton or Richards anywhere near our defence. They're a shambles.

Out of those three, Bacuna is the only one who can defend. The other two have no positional sense whatsoever.

Bacuna can defend? I think he is arguably the worst of them all.

No argument, he is

I must have missed all those goals we shipped in last season when Richards and Hutton were in the same side.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on July 13, 2016, 08:34:33 PM: Bacuna is shit in any position he plays, whether right back or centre mid. I urge you to have a good look at some of the goals and his complete lack of effort in defending them. Often collectively, I agree, but Bacuna is every bit as bad as Richards, Lescott, Agbonlahor or Hutton.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on July 13, 2016, 08:44:03 PM: I actually think that Bacuna at Norwich last season wanted to lose.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Des Little on July 13, 2016, 09:52:23 PM: Quote from: brian green on July 13, 2016, 08:44:03 PM
I actually think that Bacuna at Norwich last season wanted to lose.

I think you could say the same for more than just that game. He's a fcuking bomb scare.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tony Erdington on July 13, 2016, 10:15:08 PM: Quote from: Clampy on July 13, 2016, 08:29:10 PM
Quote from: Rudy65 on July 13, 2016, 08:24:44 PM
Quote from: Newby on July 13, 2016, 08:18:57 PM
Quote from: Clampy on July 13, 2016, 05:37:23 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on July 13, 2016, 05:26:45 PM
Right-back is an issue. I wouldn't want Bacuna, Hutton or Richards anywhere near our defence. They're a shambles.

Out of those three, Bacuna is the only one who can defend. The other two have no positional sense whatsoever.

Bacuna can defend? I think he is arguably the worst of them all.

No argument, he is

I must have missed all those goals we shipped in last season when Richards and Hutton were in the same side.
Ive never got Bacuna, to me his a bit like a lottery ticket.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on July 13, 2016, 10:28:22 PM: I did want to like Bacuna. He had all the attributes. Seemed strong, athletic, and willing to work. Fantastic work rate. So, having a lack of any real ability made me dislike him at first. But then every one got on his back and I felt sorry for him a little. he's just a hard trier who said something innocent and become the victim of an already unforgiving crowd. But kudos. Despite all of that and against a backdrop of derision whenever the ball came to him, he should us what he is. A strong willed, psychologically well balanced, and a good athlete. Just what any side would want.

The only down side really, is that he's not very good. For all his positives, if he could combine that with a level of ability that we aspire to he'd be worth millions. As it is he's a below average player for the Championship, never mind the Premier League, and definitely should be shifted on.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 13, 2016, 10:44:39 PM: Bacuna wasn't that bad under Lambert.

A willing trier at least and he did have some good games, had Hazard in his pocket in the 1-0 Chelsea win.

Even under Sherwood he set up a lot of goals for Benteke let's not forget.

However since he got that bumper 5 year deal his whole motivation and general attitude to football has gone downhill.

You can see that in his demeanor in the players arrival videos on the O/S and stuff, he's one Roy Keane apparently called out in his brief time for not caring enough about losing.

I would be o.k with Hutton at RB at least until January, championship is more his level now at this stage of his career, would be surprised if he gets the runaround every week.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Diablo on July 13, 2016, 11:06:49 PM: Quote from: SoccerHQ on July 13, 2016, 10:44:39 PM
Bacuna wasn't that bad under Lambert.

A willing trier at least and he did have some good games, had Hazard in his pocket in the 1-0 Chelsea win.

Even under Sherwood he set up a lot of goals for Benteke let's not forget.

However since he got that bumper 5 year deal his whole motivation and general attitude to football has gone downhill.

You can see that in his demeanor in the players arrival videos on the O/S and stuff, he's one Roy Keane apparently called out in his brief time for not caring enough about losing.

I would be o.k with Hutton at RB at least until January, championship is more his level now at this stage of his career, would be surprised if he gets the runaround every week.

Do we know who else Keane called out besides Bacuna? He had a run in with Gabby didn't he? Maybe Keane wasn't so crazy after all?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on July 13, 2016, 11:10:59 PM: Quote from: SoccerHQ on July 13, 2016, 10:44:39 PM
...he's one Roy Keane apparently called out in his brief time for not caring enough about losing.

I'm quite happy to accept that Bacuna's attitude probably isn't one completely in line with success at the highest level of football.

But the day that Roy Keane's opinion on anything is of any relevance is that day that the world collapses in on itself.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on July 13, 2016, 11:12:30 PM: Quote from: peter w on July 13, 2016, 10:28:22 PM
I did want to like Bacuna. He had all the attributes. Seemed strong, athletic, and willing to work. Fantastic work rate. So, having a lack of any real ability made me dislike him at first. But then every one got on his back and I felt sorry for him a little. he's just a hard trier who said something innocent and become the victim of an already unforgiving crowd. But kudos. Despite all of that and against a backdrop of derision whenever the ball came to him, he should us what he is. A strong willed, psychologically well balanced, and a good athlete. Just what any side would want.

The only down side really, is that he's not very good. For all his positives, if he could combine that with a level of ability that we aspire to he'd be worth millions. As it is he's a below average player for the Championship, never mind the Premier League, and definitely should be shifted on.

Fantastic work rate? Not sure about that Peter, particularly in games towards the end of last season. There was a particular spell in the home game against Southampton where he downed tools completely and then went and goaded fans.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: adrenachrome on July 14, 2016, 01:55:33 AM: Quote from: Diablo on July 13, 2016, 11:06:49 PM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on July 13, 2016, 10:44:39 PM
Bacuna wasn't that bad under Lambert.

A willing trier at least and he did have some good games, had Hazard in his pocket in the 1-0 Chelsea win.

Even under Sherwood he set up a lot of goals for Benteke let's not forget.

However since he got that bumper 5 year deal his whole motivation and general attitude to football has gone downhill.

You can see that in his demeanor in the players arrival videos on the O/S and stuff, he's one Roy Keane apparently called out in his brief time for not caring enough about losing.

I would be o.k with Hutton at RB at least until January, championship is more his level now at this stage of his career, would be surprised if he gets the runaround every week.

Do we know who else Keane called out besides Bacuna? He had a run in with Gabby didn't he? Maybe Keane wasn't so crazy after all?

Jack Grealish.

Reported to have asked during a training session "is there something wrong?" followed by "then why haven't you started training yet".

Tweeted by Jack, himself.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on July 14, 2016, 06:52:44 AM: Didn't he try confronting Cleverley as well? Middle-of-the-road player, but the last thing you'd accused him of is not trying hard enough.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tom_Mc9? on July 14, 2016, 09:00:16 AM: Bacuna is clearly not good enough. Without opening a can of worms yet again, I do feel a bit (not too much mind you) sorry for him for how much flak he got towards the end of last season for his Champions League comments. I think one of his main downfalls is a lack of common sense and intelligence. When he leaves he'll be forgotten soon enough and as others have said - it's down to ability more than anything else. The likes of him and Gabby personify our downfall. Nothing players.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ajmant on July 14, 2016, 09:30:59 AM: Bacuna is ace. The stand out pass of last season to send Shane Long through on goal. Vision, awareness and coolness under pressure. Awesome he is. Awesome.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Diablo on July 14, 2016, 09:45:09 AM: Quote from: adrenachrome on July 14, 2016, 01:55:33 AM
Quote from: Diablo on July 13, 2016, 11:06:49 PM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on July 13, 2016, 10:44:39 PM
Bacuna wasn't that bad under Lambert.

A willing trier at least and he did have some good games, had Hazard in his pocket in the 1-0 Chelsea win.

Even under Sherwood he set up a lot of goals for Benteke let's not forget.

However since he got that bumper 5 year deal his whole motivation and general attitude to football has gone downhill.

You can see that in his demeanor in the players arrival videos on the O/S and stuff, he's one Roy Keane apparently called out in his brief time for not caring enough about losing.

I would be o.k with Hutton at RB at least until January, championship is more his level now at this stage of his career, would be surprised if he gets the runaround every week.

Do we know who else Keane called out besides Bacuna? He had a run in with Gabby didn't he? Maybe Keane wasn't so crazy after all?

Jack Grealish.

Reported to have asked during a training session "is there something wrong?" followed by "then why haven't you started training yet".

Tweeted by Jack, himself.

I can certainly hear Keane saying that lol
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: RussellC on July 14, 2016, 09:54:04 AM: Quote from: Tom_Mc9? on July 14, 2016, 09:00:16 AM
I think one of his main downfalls is a lack of common sense and intelligence.

I agree and , worryingly, I think that comment applies to numerous others in our squad. Guzan, Gabby, Lescott, Richards, etc. The sooner we see the back of them the better.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: robbo1874 on July 14, 2016, 09:59:58 AM: Quote from: passitsideways on July 14, 2016, 06:52:44 AM
Didn't he try confronting Cleverley as well? Middle-of-the-road player, but the last thing you'd accused him of is not trying hard enough.
both cleverley and Grealish strike me as players who need pushing a bit. Not to say they're necessarily lazy in training, but may respond better to being really pushed than if they're allowed to coast. Cleverley especially so, after the regime he would have known at Utd.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sid1964 on July 14, 2016, 10:26:07 AM: The problem for RDM is that when he has meetings with the players he does not want at the club, and tells them this, is does he create another bomb squad like Lambert did, if we cant sell them / give them away?

We don't need another 6 - 7 players mopping about the place and potentially upsetting the players who are in RDMs plans for next season.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: villabear on July 14, 2016, 10:40:22 AM: Quote from: sid1964 on July 14, 2016, 10:26:07 AM
The problem for RDM is that when he has meetings with the players he does not want at the club, and tells them this, is does he create another bomb squad like Lambert did, if we cant sell them / give them away?

We don't need another 6 - 7 players mopping about the place and potentially upsetting the players who are in RDMs plans for next season.

Can't see Gabby mopping. Too much like hard work for him.

Sorry
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 14, 2016, 11:22:05 AM: a great way to loose 14 stones of useless blubber though
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 14, 2016, 12:06:18 PM: I just read Marseille in talks to sign Sanchez £3m euros. ( Can't find a Euro sign on my keyboard)
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 14, 2016, 12:11:52 PM: €€€€€€€
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on July 14, 2016, 12:21:30 PM: Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on July 14, 2016, 12:06:18 PM
( Can't find a Euro sign on my keyboard)

They were all removed on June 24th
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 14, 2016, 12:22:23 PM: Bacuna s facial expression tell you every thing you want to know about him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: dicedlam on July 14, 2016, 12:40:29 PM: Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on July 14, 2016, 12:06:18 PM
I just read Marseille in talks to sign Sanchez £3m euros. ( Can't find a Euro sign on my keyboard)

Ctrl Alt 4
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mallo on July 14, 2016, 12:48:49 PM: Quote from: dicedlam on July 14, 2016, 12:40:29 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on July 14, 2016, 12:06:18 PM
I just read Marseille in talks to sign Sanchez £3m euros. ( Can't find a Euro sign on my keyboard)

Ctrl Alt 4

I just got their new album - worth a listen.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 14, 2016, 12:50:47 PM: € ha nice one
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 14, 2016, 12:51:18 PM: Quote from: UK Redsox on July 14, 2016, 12:21:30 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on July 14, 2016, 12:06:18 PM
( Can't find a Euro sign on my keyboard)

They were all removed on June 24th

Very good
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 14, 2016, 01:06:54 PM: Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on July 14, 2016, 12:06:18 PM
I just read Marseille in talks to sign Sanchez £3m euros. ( Can't find a Euro sign on my keyboard)

Isn't that about 5 Million £ now?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Richard E on July 14, 2016, 01:08:43 PM: Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on July 14, 2016, 01:06:54 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on July 14, 2016, 12:06:18 PM
I just read Marseille in talks to sign Sanchez £3m euros. ( Can't find a Euro sign on my keyboard)

Isn't that about 5 Million £ now?

It's about 53p now.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: LeeB on July 14, 2016, 02:32:01 PM: Quote from: Richard E on July 14, 2016, 01:08:43 PM
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on July 14, 2016, 01:06:54 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on July 14, 2016, 12:06:18 PM
I just read Marseille in talks to sign Sanchez £3m euros. ( Can't find a Euro sign on my keyboard)

Isn't that about 5 Million £ now?

It's about 53p now.

I'd still take it
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: darren woolley on July 14, 2016, 03:12:04 PM: Quote from: LeeB on July 14, 2016, 02:32:01 PM
Quote from: Richard E on July 14, 2016, 01:08:43 PM
Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on July 14, 2016, 01:06:54 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on July 14, 2016, 12:06:18 PM
I just read Marseille in talks to sign Sanchez £3m euros. ( Can't find a Euro sign on my keyboard)

Isn't that about 5 Million £ now?

It's about 53p now.

I'd still take it

Me too.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Mister E on July 14, 2016, 05:26:43 PM: Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on July 14, 2016, 12:06:18 PM
I just read Marseille in talks to sign Sanchez £3m euros. ( Can't find a Euro sign on my keyboard)
What, Marseille to sign Sanchez and Gana? BOGOF.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: itbrvilla on July 15, 2016, 01:30:52 AM: Quote from: Mister E on July 14, 2016, 05:26:43 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on July 14, 2016, 12:06:18 PM
I just read Marseille in talks to sign Sanchez £3m euros. ( Can't find a Euro sign on my keyboard)
What, Marseille to sign Sanchez and Gana? BOGOF.
RElegation next season?!?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on July 15, 2016, 07:25:51 AM: I would not let Sinclair go to Newcastle. He will be useful in the championship.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: RussellC on July 15, 2016, 08:09:00 AM: Quote from: ozzjim on July 15, 2016, 07:25:51 AM
I would not let Sinclair go to Newcastle. He will be useful in the championship.

Completely. I could live with him going to Celtic but definitely wouldn't want him going directly to one of our rivals.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sid1964 on July 15, 2016, 08:19:03 AM: Every player who has been linked with a move away, most people on here seem to think that they would be useful in the Championship

In that case I would suggest to RDM and Dr Tone, keep the lot, because we will win the league by at least 20 points! however we can only play 11 and have 7 subs

There are going to be a lot of players who are going to be paid for shopping in the bull ring on a Saturday afternoon
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on July 15, 2016, 08:19:37 AM: Blimey I would. Sinclair v Hutton? Or Amavi? Bennett? May have a point there.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Richard E on July 15, 2016, 08:28:37 AM: Quote from: Mister E on July 14, 2016, 05:26:43 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on July 14, 2016, 12:06:18 PM
I just read Marseille in talks to sign Sanchez £3m euros. ( Can't find a Euro sign on my keyboard)
What, Marseille to sign Sanchez and Gana? BOGOF.

I think they're looking at Sanchez because they can't afford Gana.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sid1964 on July 15, 2016, 08:41:00 AM: Lets not forget, that these were the players who would not break sweat against Premiership sides last season, I cant see how they would be motivated to playy the likes of Rotherham

They need to be gone and quick, personally if someone offered £250k for the likes of Hutton / Sinclair / Cissokho etc...they would be gone.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: RussellC on July 15, 2016, 08:48:33 AM: Quote from: sid1964 on July 15, 2016, 08:41:00 AM
Lets not forget, that these were the players who would not break sweat against Premiership sides last season, I cant see how they would be motivated to playy the likes of Rotherham

They need to be gone and quick, personally if someone offered £250k for the likes of Hutton / Sinclair / Cissokho etc...they would be gone.

I don't disagree about getting rid of the deadwood, but in a world where Jordan Ibe costs £15m, I'd be holding out for a little bit more than £250k for Scott Sinclair.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on July 15, 2016, 08:55:18 AM: Quote from: sid1964 on July 15, 2016, 08:41:00 AM
Lets not forget, that these were the players who would not break sweat against Premiership sides last season, I cant see how they would be motivated to playy the likes of Rotherham

They need to be gone and quick, personally if someone offered £250k for the likes of Hutton / Sinclair / Cissokho etc...they would be gone.

Given that we've supposedly turned down two bids from Celtic for Sinclair (the last for £4m apparently) I'm guessing he wouldn't be gone if somebody offered £250,000.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sid1964 on July 15, 2016, 08:57:53 AM: If we have been offered £4m and turned it down, then we must be mad!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Richard E on July 15, 2016, 09:01:01 AM: Quote from: sid1964 on July 15, 2016, 08:57:53 AM
If we have been offered £4m and turned it down, then we must be mad!
Perhaps that is his release clause and we are trying to start a bidding war.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: dave shelley on July 15, 2016, 09:11:05 AM: Stop it Richard!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sid1964 on July 15, 2016, 09:11:47 AM: But if it is a release clause in his contract, why would a buying club bid more?

Also surely once the bid has been received that matches the contractual worth of the player, the player would then be allowed to speak to the club in question?, and it would not matter if that club is seen as a Championship rival for promotion. (We would not be able to choose who we sell too)

Although personally, I cant see us fighting for an automatic promotion spot.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: walsall villain on July 15, 2016, 09:18:30 AM: Quote from: sid1964 on July 15, 2016, 09:11:47 AM
But if it is a release clause in his contract, why would a buying club bid more?

Also surely once the bid has been received that matches the contractual worth of the player, the player would then be allowed to speak to the club in question?, and it would not matter if that club is seen as a Championship rival for promotion. (We would not be able to choose who we sell too)

Although personally, I cant see us fighting for an automatic promotion spot.

If you have fallen for Richard E's 'bidding war' old chestnut then perhaps you over did the yam yam day celebrations?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Richard E on July 15, 2016, 09:19:26 AM: Quote from: walsall villain on July 15, 2016, 09:18:30 AM
Quote from: sid1964 on July 15, 2016, 09:11:47 AM
But if it is a release clause in his contract, why would a buying club bid more?

Also surely once the bid has been received that matches the contractual worth of the player, the player would then be allowed to speak to the club in question?, and it would not matter if that club is seen as a Championship rival for promotion. (We would not be able to choose who we sell too)

Although personally, I cant see us fighting for an automatic promotion spot.

If you have fallen for Richard E's 'bidding war' old chestnut then perhaps you over did the yam yam day celebrations?

Yes, I was being facetious (as is my general wont.)
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on July 15, 2016, 09:19:37 AM: I can. We have a decent squad and now a decent coaching team. 3-4 more arrivals and e will be a real force.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Richard E on July 15, 2016, 09:23:22 AM: Quote from: ozzjim on July 15, 2016, 09:19:37 AM
I can. We have a decent squad and now a decent coaching team. 3-4 more arrivals and e will be a real force.

"Rego" from WM speaking from the training camp the other night seemed very confident indeed it was going to be between us and Newcastle with everyone else trailing behind.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on July 15, 2016, 09:26:41 AM: Somebody said that there was a big difference between the professionalism between last years jolly up in Portugal pre-season and the Austrian training camp.

I think having real leaders like Stan and Elphick in the dressing room could be telling. You see Amavi's comments about Stan and it shows that the man is inspirational for the rest of them. "How can I not run that extra yard when there is a top man who could have died?".
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on July 15, 2016, 09:37:17 AM: Quote from: Richard E on July 15, 2016, 09:19:26 AM

Yes, I was being facetious (as is my general wont.)

[Dara O'Briain]"Private Browsing"[/Dara O'Briain]
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: AVH87 on July 15, 2016, 09:53:44 AM: Quote from: Ads on July 15, 2016, 09:26:41 AM
Somebody said that there was a big difference between the professionalism between last years jolly up in Portugal pre-season and the Austrian training camp.

I think having real leaders like Stan and Elphick in the dressing room could be telling. You see Amavi's comments about Stan and it shows that the man is inspirational for the rest of them. "How can I not run that extra yard when there is a top man who could have died?".

Sherwood really was the supply teacher who was left in charge of the class for far too long whilst the proper teacher was absent long-term sick.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sid1964 on July 15, 2016, 10:19:42 AM: if we get the 3-4 more arrivals, I think that the number in our squad will be 33

That is far to many and to expensive to run in the Championship
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: RussellC on July 15, 2016, 10:21:19 AM: In fairness, this is also the first summer in a long-time where we haven't had the prospect of losing our best player/s hanging over us. Be it Milner, Barry, Benteke, Delph, it must be disruptive to a manager's preparations when you're waiting for one or more key players to leave. I can;t think of one player that might leave this summer that would have a huge impact on our preparations for the upcoming season.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Richard E on July 15, 2016, 10:23:42 AM: Quote from: sid1964 on July 15, 2016, 10:19:42 AM
if we get the 3-4 more arrivals, I think that the number in our squad will be 33

That is far to many and to expensive to run in the Championship

RDM was talking the other day about the need to clear some out, so I think the final number will be much lower than that. You do need a reasonable sized squad for 46 league games plus potential cup matches and play-offs.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 15, 2016, 10:28:24 AM: Do we have to name a 25 man squad in the Championship or is that just a Premier League rule?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: OCD on July 15, 2016, 10:35:50 AM: Quote from: RussellC on July 15, 2016, 10:21:19 AM
In fairness, this is also the first summer in a long-time where we haven't had the prospect of losing our best player/s hanging over us. Be it Milner, Barry, Benteke, Delph, it must be disruptive to a manager's preparations when you're waiting for one or more key players to leave. I can;t think of one player that might leave this summer that would have a huge impact on our preparations for the upcoming season.

That's not necessarily a good thing.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 15, 2016, 10:39:52 AM: Surprised we haven't been linked to Odemwingie yet.

RDM signed him at West Brom and Clarke also managed him.

Not as first choice as would still like a Bamford type signing but I'd be o.k with him as a squad option.

Say Bamford and Ayew as first choice and Gestede and Odemwingie as back up would be pretty decent for this level.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 15, 2016, 10:45:36 AM: I thought RDM had dismissed the Bamford link?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: AVH87 on July 15, 2016, 10:46:10 AM: Quote from: SoccerHQ on July 15, 2016, 10:39:52 AM
Surprised we haven't been linked to Odemwingie yet.

RDM signed him at West Brom and Clarke also managed him.

Not as first choice as would still like a Bamford type signing but I'd be o.k with him as a squad option.

Say Bamford and Ayew as first choice and Gestede and Odemwingie as back up would be pretty decent for this level.

At 35 I'd say thanks but no thanks.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Stirchley Villain on July 15, 2016, 10:54:26 AM: Odemwinge's got a bad attitude. We've got enough of those types already.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: RussellC on July 15, 2016, 11:22:45 AM: Quote from: OCD on July 15, 2016, 10:35:50 AM
Quote from: RussellC on July 15, 2016, 10:21:19 AM
In fairness, this is also the first summer in a long-time where we haven't had the prospect of losing our best player/s hanging over us. Be it Milner, Barry, Benteke, Delph, it must be disruptive to a manager's preparations when you're waiting for one or more key players to leave. I can;t think of one player that might leave this summer that would have a huge impact on our preparations for the upcoming season.

That's not necessarily a good thing.

In what way? it must be a lot easier for a Manager to plan for the upcoming season if he's not having to worry about other clubs coming-in for players that he's desperate to keep hold of.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 15, 2016, 11:40:20 AM: The danger would be with Odemwinge that he wouldn't want to get back on the bus as we tried to leave Loftus Road.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on July 15, 2016, 12:20:41 PM: Quote from: RussellC on July 15, 2016, 11:22:45 AM
Quote from: OCD on July 15, 2016, 10:35:50 AM
Quote from: RussellC on July 15, 2016, 10:21:19 AM
In fairness, this is also the first summer in a long-time where we haven't had the prospect of losing our best player/s hanging over us. Be it Milner, Barry, Benteke, Delph, it must be disruptive to a manager's preparations when you're waiting for one or more key players to leave. I can;t think of one player that might leave this summer that would have a huge impact on our preparations for the upcoming season.

That's not necessarily a good thing.

In what way? it must be a lot easier for a Manager to plan for the upcoming season if he's not having to worry about other clubs coming-in for players that he's desperate to keep hold of.

I guess that it might be better to have good players that other teams want to sign, than having a squad of bad players that nobody else wants.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 15, 2016, 12:22:30 PM: Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 15, 2016, 11:40:20 AM
The danger would be with Odemwinge that he wouldn't want to get back on the bus as we tried to leave Loftus Road.

True, but a bigger danger still is that he appears from the outside to be an utter c***.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: AVH87 on July 15, 2016, 12:30:29 PM: Quote from: Clark W Griswold on July 15, 2016, 12:22:30 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 15, 2016, 11:40:20 AM
The danger would be with Odemwinge that he wouldn't want to get back on the bus as we tried to leave Loftus Road.

True, but a bigger danger still is that he appears from the outside to be an utter c***.

Plus people on here moaned that Richardson was past his best, at 30, and Odemwingie is 5 years his senior.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: RussellC on July 15, 2016, 12:33:10 PM: Quote from: Dave on July 15, 2016, 12:20:41 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 15, 2016, 11:22:45 AM
Quote from: OCD on July 15, 2016, 10:35:50 AM
Quote from: RussellC on July 15, 2016, 10:21:19 AM
In fairness, this is also the first summer in a long-time where we haven't had the prospect of losing our best player/s hanging over us. Be it Milner, Barry, Benteke, Delph, it must be disruptive to a manager's preparations when you're waiting for one or more key players to leave. I can;t think of one player that might leave this summer that would have a huge impact on our preparations for the upcoming season.

That's not necessarily a good thing.

In what way? it must be a lot easier for a Manager to plan for the upcoming season if he's not having to worry about other clubs coming-in for players that he's desperate to keep hold of.

I guess that it might be better to have good players that other teams want to sign, than having a squad of bad players that nobody else wants.

Well, obviously. But that's not the situation. We've already had apparent interest in Sinclair, Gueye, Sanchez and Amavi, and I refuse to believe that there wouldn't be clubs interested in the likes of Ayew and Grealish should they (or their agents) be touting themselves around.

But that's the point- and I'm not saying that it won't happen- but with just over 3 weeks to go until the season starts all of our better players are seemingly happy to stay with us and it's the first summer in a while that a Manager has been able to concentrate on improving the existing squad instead of fighting to keep his better players.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Stirchley Villain on July 15, 2016, 12:48:38 PM: Apparently Olympic Lyonnaise want Gana. There isn't one member of our squad I wouldn't be happy to see go in order to rebuild our squad, except maybe Grealish. I wouldn't mind keeping Ayew too, but I don't think that'll happen.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Randy Gurner on July 15, 2016, 12:56:17 PM: Quote from: RussellC on July 15, 2016, 10:21:19 AM
In fairness, this is also the first summer in a long-time where we haven't had the prospect of losing our best player/s hanging over us.

There's a definite correlation between having no good players to lose and ending up in the Championship.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 15, 2016, 01:09:40 PM: Quote from: Stirchley Villain on July 15, 2016, 12:48:38 PM
Apparently Olympic Lyonnaise want Gana. There isn't one member of our squad I wouldn't be happy to see go in order to rebuild our squad, except maybe Grealish. I wouldn't mind keeping Ayew too, but I don't think that'll happen.

I don't know there's a few I'd want to keep. Grealish, Ayew, Traore, Veretout, Amavi, Okore and I actually wouldn't mind if we kept Westwood.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: RussellC on July 15, 2016, 01:58:38 PM: Quote from: Randy Gurner on July 15, 2016, 12:56:17 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 15, 2016, 10:21:19 AM
In fairness, this is also the first summer in a long-time where we haven't had the prospect of losing our best player/s hanging over us.

There's a definite correlation between having no good players to lose and ending up in the Championship.

There is, but Newcastle lost Townsend almost immediately, and the vultures are circling for Wijnaldum. Similar situation with Robbie Brady at Norwich.

This time last year Sherwood had lost Benteke, Cleverley, Vlaar and Delph and was only now really able to focus on 'improving the squad' (Yeah, I know, I know). Whoever goes this summer, it looks (hopefully) like they'll be leaving because RDM doesn't want them, as opposed to them not wanting to be at Villa.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KevinGage on July 15, 2016, 01:59:41 PM: It will be thoroughly depressing if we kick off against Wednesday next month with Westwood and Gabby in the team.

Can't really fault Westwood's attitude, but talent-wise he is barely even one dimensional. Would probably put Hutton in that bracket too. Those three out of the side (along with Lescott, Richards and Guzan, natch) and it might start to feel like things are actually changing.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on July 15, 2016, 02:03:18 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 15, 2016, 01:09:40 PM
Quote from: Stirchley Villain on July 15, 2016, 12:48:38 PM
Apparently Olympic Lyonnaise want Gana. There isn't one member of our squad I wouldn't be happy to see go in order to rebuild our squad, except maybe Grealish. I wouldn't mind keeping Ayew too, but I don't think that'll happen.

I don't know there's a few I'd want to keep. Grealish, Ayew, Traore, Veretout, Amavi, Okore and I actually wouldn't mind if we kept Westwood.

I agree with Westwood. When we play many games in a short spell he'll be okay to come and hold the fort. Out of the others I'm really not convinced by Veretout.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: RussellC on July 15, 2016, 02:19:35 PM: I think Veretout could be a very good player in The Championship. I'd like to see him play deeper than he was last season, in Westwood's role. I think he's more suited to that than being an attacking midfielder. Much like Petrov proved to be.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on July 15, 2016, 02:21:30 PM: Could be but with him there I think we need to buy an attacking midfielder. Grealish may be earmarked for the job but I'd get another midfielder in anyway.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: RussellC on July 15, 2016, 02:30:46 PM: The Birmingham Mail seem to think that an attacking midfielder (not sure whether he likes to call them 'number 10s' or not) is on his shopping list, and he was heavily linked with Graham Dorrans earlier in the summer. We've still got Gil too - who may be capable of having an impact in this league?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on July 15, 2016, 03:26:51 PM: Olympique in for Gana. Goody a bidding war
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 15, 2016, 03:35:32 PM: I love a release clause bidding war, me.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: in exile on July 15, 2016, 04:24:45 PM: Now it looks like Ayew's agent is in discussions with Bordeaux
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 15, 2016, 04:30:09 PM: Quote from: in exile on July 15, 2016, 04:24:45 PM
Now it looks like Ayew's agent is in discussions with Bordeaux

Which could be a re-hash of last summer's enquiry.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: in exile on July 15, 2016, 04:35:29 PM: Yes, maybe
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on July 15, 2016, 06:16:30 PM: There must be some players we want from Lyon/Marseilles and we could do a swap deal perhaps trade for players from them for the like of Sanchez plus one of those fab five for free ;)
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on July 15, 2016, 08:05:38 PM: As long as we get the 7.1 million release clause for Gana and the 12m or so Ayew is worth, so be it. They are replaceable in the Championship and we need to get it sorted and move forward.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on July 15, 2016, 08:23:18 PM: If we took Miguel Santa from Marseille in part exchange we could put a release clause in his contract. A Santa clause
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: LeeB on July 15, 2016, 08:39:22 PM: Quote from: brian green on July 15, 2016, 08:23:18 PM
If we took Miguel Santa from Marseille in part exchange we could put a release clause in his contract. A Santa clause

Careful Brian, Yule start a bidding war.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 15, 2016, 08:51:01 PM: Quote from: LeeB on July 15, 2016, 08:39:22 PM
Quote from: brian green on July 15, 2016, 08:23:18 PM
If we took Miguel Santa from Marseille in part exchange we could put a release clause in his contract. A Santa clause

Careful Brian, Yule start a bidding war.

You're on fire today mate.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Stirchley Villain on July 15, 2016, 09:51:15 PM: Quote from: LeeB on July 15, 2016, 08:39:22 PM
Quote from: brian green on July 15, 2016, 08:23:18 PM
If we took Miguel Santa from Marseille in part exchange we could put a release clause in his contract. A Santa clause

Careful Brian, Yule start a bidding war.

I'm keeping a log of these silly puns...
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on July 15, 2016, 10:35:52 PM: Quote from: brian green on July 15, 2016, 08:23:18 PM
If we took Miguel Santa from Marseille in part exchange we could put a release clause in his contract. A Santa clause

Would he enable Villa to use a Christmas Tree formation ?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: MoetVillan on July 15, 2016, 11:00:11 PM: As long as he can play foot bauble I don't care
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Des Little on July 15, 2016, 11:07:19 PM: I'll leave it to the manger to decide
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on July 16, 2016, 06:50:33 AM: As my wife always says as I set out to Villa Park. Don't forget your coat, it looks like rain dear.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Vegas on July 16, 2016, 07:54:12 AM: Quote from: Stirchley Villain on July 15, 2016, 09:51:15 PM
Quote from: LeeB on July 15, 2016, 08:39:22 PM
Quote from: brian green on July 15, 2016, 08:23:18 PM
If we took Miguel Santa from Marseille in part exchange we could put a release clause in his contract. A Santa clause

Careful Brian, Yule start a bidding war.

I'm keeping a log of these silly puns...

I don't normally find these puns funny, but that's a cracker
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villafirst on July 16, 2016, 08:00:53 AM: Still underwhelmed by the deals so far. Most of the wasters are still around. I hope there's more signings soon with just three weeks to kick-off.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: MonsXI on July 16, 2016, 08:37:46 AM: Quote from: Villafirst on July 16, 2016, 08:00:53 AM
Still underwhelmed by the deals so far. Most of the wasters are still around. I hope there's more signings soon with just three weeks to kick-off.

Last week you were doom and gloom about the tshibola deal dying out which it didnt now moaning again.

I suggest some patience the transfer market is fairly quiet infact with 3 players in i'd say weve been more active than most so far, most of the players who played in the euros will still be on holiday in the next week or so the market will explode into overpriced activity.

RDM said in his video interview on AVTV yesterday that he'd be working primarily on trimming the squad in the forthcoming weeks.

Have faith UTV!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on July 16, 2016, 08:53:40 AM: Quote from: Vegas on July 16, 2016, 07:54:12 AM
Quote from: Stirchley Villain on July 15, 2016, 09:51:15 PM
Quote from: LeeB on July 15, 2016, 08:39:22 PM
Quote from: brian green on July 15, 2016, 08:23:18 PM
If we took Miguel Santa from Marseille in part exchange we could put a release clause in his contract. A Santa clause

Careful Brian, Yule start a bidding war.

I'm keeping a log of these silly puns...

I don't normally find these puns funny, but that's a cracker
Struck me as being a bit of a turkey!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: saunders_heroes on July 16, 2016, 09:01:48 AM: Quote from: MonsXI on July 16, 2016, 08:37:46 AM
Quote from: Villafirst on July 16, 2016, 08:00:53 AM
Still underwhelmed by the deals so far. Most of the wasters are still around. I hope there's more signings soon with just three weeks to kick-off.

Last week you were doom and gloom about the tshibola deal dying out which it didnt now moaning again.

I suggest some patience the transfer market is fairly quiet infact with 3 players in i'd say weve been more active than most so far, most of the players who played in the euros will still be on holiday in the next week or so the market will explode into overpriced activity.

RDM said in his video interview on AVTV yesterday that he'd be working primarily on trimming the squad in the forthcoming weeks.

Have faith UTV!

I think Villa fans have been very very patient over the last 6 dreadful years.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 16, 2016, 09:03:02 AM: Quote from: frankmosswasmyuncle on July 16, 2016, 08:53:40 AM
Quote from: Vegas on July 16, 2016, 07:54:12 AM
Quote from: Stirchley Villain on July 15, 2016, 09:51:15 PM
Quote from: LeeB on July 15, 2016, 08:39:22 PM
Quote from: brian green on July 15, 2016, 08:23:18 PM
If we took Miguel Santa from Marseille in part exchange we could put a release clause in his contract. A Santa clause

Careful Brian, Yule start a bidding war.

I'm keeping a log of these silly puns...

I don't normally find these puns funny, but that's a cracker
Struck me as being a bit of a turkey!

It would be a coup if we got him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on July 16, 2016, 09:04:34 AM: Quote from: cdbullyweefan on July 16, 2016, 09:03:02 AM
Quote from: frankmosswasmyuncle on July 16, 2016, 08:53:40 AM
Quote from: Vegas on July 16, 2016, 07:54:12 AM
Quote from: Stirchley Villain on July 15, 2016, 09:51:15 PM
Quote from: LeeB on July 15, 2016, 08:39:22 PM
Quote from: brian green on July 15, 2016, 08:23:18 PM
If we took Miguel Santa from Marseille in part exchange we could put a release clause in his contract. A Santa clause

Careful Brian, Yule start a bidding war.

I'm keeping a log of these silly puns...

I don't normally find these puns funny, but that's a cracker
Struck me as being a bit of a turkey!

It would be a coup if we got him.

I hope we get him in quickly, there's no time like the present.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oldtimernow on July 16, 2016, 09:13:04 AM: I'm just waiting to hear the Glad tidings that the wasters have gone
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: in exile on July 16, 2016, 09:26:58 AM: We need signings, and you never know, we may become popular again and new supporters will sprout up
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Mister E on July 16, 2016, 09:30:52 AM: Quote from: Clampy on July 16, 2016, 09:04:34 AM
Quote from: cdbullyweefan on July 16, 2016, 09:03:02 AM
Quote from: frankmosswasmyuncle on July 16, 2016, 08:53:40 AM
Quote from: Vegas on July 16, 2016, 07:54:12 AM
Quote from: Stirchley Villain on July 15, 2016, 09:51:15 PM
Quote from: LeeB on July 15, 2016, 08:39:22 PM
Quote from: brian green on July 15, 2016, 08:23:18 PM
If we took Miguel Santa from Marseille in part exchange we could put a release clause in his contract. A Santa clause

Careful Brian, Yule start a bidding war.

I'm keeping a log of these silly puns...

I don't normally find these puns funny, but that's a cracker
Struck me as being a bit of a turkey!

It would be a coup if we got him.

I hope we get him in quickly, there's no time like the present.
Land him and I can see us stuffing many of our opponents.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: robbo1874 on July 16, 2016, 09:35:26 AM: I'm happy with RDM and Clarke, but would have been nice to roll out the Advocaat
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oldtimernow on July 16, 2016, 09:50:21 AM: Quote from: robbo1874 on July 16, 2016, 09:35:26 AM
I'm happy with RDM and Clarke, but would have been nice to roll out the Advocaat

that's the spirit!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: MonsXI on July 16, 2016, 09:50:38 AM: Quote from: saunders_heroes on July 16, 2016, 09:01:48 AM
Quote from: MonsXI on July 16, 2016, 08:37:46 AM
Quote from: Villafirst on July 16, 2016, 08:00:53 AM
Still underwhelmed by the deals so far. Most of the wasters are still around. I hope there's more signings soon with just three weeks to kick-off.

Last week you were doom and gloom about the tshibola deal dying out which it didnt now moaning again.

I suggest some patience the transfer market is fairly quiet infact with 3 players in i'd say weve been more active than most so far, most of the players who played in the euros will still be on holiday in the next week or so the market will explode into overpriced activity.

RDM said in his video interview on AVTV yesterday that he'd be working primarily on trimming the squad in the forthcoming weeks.

Have faith UTV!

I think Villa fans have been very very patient over the last 6 dreadful years.

Agreed but new owner, new manager and backroom staff we need to give them time to assess instead of making rash decisions.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villafirst on July 16, 2016, 10:27:33 AM: Some people need to wake up. Did you not notice the points tally most of this squad achieved last season? Miles behind Newcastle and Norwich.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on July 16, 2016, 10:42:23 AM: Good job we are playing 21 other 2nd division teams then.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 16, 2016, 10:59:55 AM: Quote from: Villafirst on July 16, 2016, 10:27:33 AM
Some people need to wake up. Did you not notice the points tally most of this squad achieved last season? Miles behind Newcastle and Norwich.

And that's relevant because?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Chris Smith on July 16, 2016, 11:41:00 AM: Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 16, 2016, 10:59:55 AM
Quote from: Villafirst on July 16, 2016, 10:27:33 AM
Some people need to wake up. Did you not notice the points tally most of this squad achieved last season? Miles behind Newcastle and Norwich.

And that's relevant because?

Nothing changes ever.

Having a new owner, board, manager, coaches and players means that we can expect things to stay just as they were.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on July 16, 2016, 11:49:33 AM: Quote from: peter w on July 15, 2016, 02:21:30 PM
Could be but with him there I think we need to buy an attacking midfielder. Grealish may be earmarked for the job but I'd get another midfielder in anyway.

Gil is still with us, as is Veretout if he is going to be played in that role. Depending on how Stan gets along, I still think we could do with an Elphick type signing in midfield who could shore things up a bit in there.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 16, 2016, 12:25:57 PM: I thought the good Dr hinted at this type of signing being in the pipeline, together with a new striker in a recent interview?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: CJ on July 16, 2016, 12:28:31 PM: Quote from: UK Redsox on July 15, 2016, 10:35:52 PM
Quote from: brian green on July 15, 2016, 08:23:18 PM
If we took Miguel Santa from Marseille in part exchange we could put a release clause in his contract. A Santa clause

Would he enable Villa to use a Christmas Tree formation ?

Presumably with Juan Pablo Angel up top? And Mark Tinsella in the middle.

Sorry - only just spotted this punathon. Better never than late....
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Chris Jameson on July 16, 2016, 01:38:56 PM: Quote from: Chris Smith on July 16, 2016, 11:41:00 AM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 16, 2016, 10:59:55 AM
Quote from: Villafirst on July 16, 2016, 10:27:33 AM
Some people need to wake up. Did you not notice the points tally most of this squad achieved last season? Miles behind Newcastle and Norwich.

And that's relevant because?

Nothing changes ever.

Having a new owner, board, manager, coaches and players means that we can expect things to stay just as they were.

Is Villafirst any relation to LTA?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Mellin on July 16, 2016, 01:40:50 PM: Quote from: CJ on July 16, 2016, 12:28:31 PM
Quote from: UK Redsox on July 15, 2016, 10:35:52 PM
Quote from: brian green on July 15, 2016, 08:23:18 PM
If we took Miguel Santa from Marseille in part exchange we could put a release clause in his contract. A Santa clause

Would he enable Villa to use a Christmas Tree formation ?

Presumably with Juan Pablo Angel up top? And Mark Tinsella in the middle.

Sorry - only just spotted this punathon. Better never than late....

It could've been a year late. Mark Tinsella had to be put out there.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 16, 2016, 02:01:06 PM: Santa only comes once a year so he'd be next to useless
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: gnrpoison on July 16, 2016, 02:17:48 PM: I still think this season is going to be a cracker and hopefully we roast a few teams.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on July 16, 2016, 02:18:13 PM: we were like the christmas decorations last season, down by the 6th january
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 16, 2016, 04:14:55 PM: things can only get better, can't they?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: eamonn on July 16, 2016, 04:43:06 PM: Apparently Di Matteo said regarding outgoings, some we will be surprised by and some will be disappointing. I guess the latter refers to transfer release clauses being met for the more coveted ones suggesting Gana and maybe Ayew are likely off.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Diablo on July 16, 2016, 04:48:09 PM: Quote from: eamonn on July 16, 2016, 04:43:06 PM
Apparently Di Matteo said regarding outgoings, some we will be surprised by and some will be disappointing. I guess the latter refers to transfer release clauses being met for the more coveted ones suggesting Gana and maybe Ayew are likely off.

"Surprised and disappointing" sounds pretty ominous especially with only 3 weeks to go.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 16, 2016, 04:50:08 PM: Yes doesn't sound great.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: claretandbeer on July 16, 2016, 05:09:14 PM: Quote from: Diablo on July 16, 2016, 04:48:09 PM
Quote from: eamonn on July 16, 2016, 04:43:06 PM
Apparently Di Matteo said regarding outgoings, some we will be surprised by and some will be disappointing. I guess the latter refers to transfer release clauses being met for the more coveted ones suggesting Gana and maybe Ayew are likely off.

"Surprised and disappointing" sounds pretty ominous especially with only 3 weeks to go.
Perhaps he means the quality of the players.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 16, 2016, 05:10:10 PM: Ultimately though players with release clauses we have no control over.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aev on July 16, 2016, 05:12:32 PM: It is ok, we still have about £30m to spend.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 16, 2016, 05:14:50 PM: Well if that happens we need to get proven championship level players in to replace them rather than more punts.

Likes of Jeff Hendrick and Bamford imo.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on July 16, 2016, 05:54:25 PM: It may be a different quote, but he talked about players being surprising or disappointing in training at the link below. It may be there is a different quote elsewhere tho

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-difficulties-roberto-di-11616088
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KevinGage on July 16, 2016, 06:21:56 PM: Really loving that purple and blue training top.

Let's pay homage to the classic NTL Villa kit from 2001. Said no one. Ever.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 16, 2016, 06:26:42 PM: That story reads very differently in that context and I'd say is less worrying.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on July 16, 2016, 06:33:02 PM: I read it that way too PW. He seems to referring to what he has been told about players and what he is seeing first hand. Some may have been billed as adequate but are not proving it but others like Kozak and Bennett are doing better than he was lead to believe.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 16, 2016, 10:20:39 PM: Does anyone think we'll need to sell before we can buy any more?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 16, 2016, 10:25:07 PM: Yes but more to do with squad numbers and wage bill I reckon. As an example, we aren't going to bring in another LB while we already have 3 at the club, plus i'd hope there are promising youngsters for the relevant positions so players need to leave before we bring more in.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: garyshawsknee on July 16, 2016, 10:27:27 PM: I never expected those two to stay to be honest , I doubt they wanna be in the Championship, I don't think we have to piss our pants just yet,first time in years I'm feeling positive.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: OCD on July 17, 2016, 12:05:52 AM: Sounds like it would be a big surprise if it came off - http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2016/07/16/report-aston-villa-linked-with-ambitious-move-for-31-goal-strike/.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on July 17, 2016, 01:07:25 AM: Quote from: OCD on July 17, 2016, 12:05:52 AM
Sounds like it would be a big surprise if it came off - http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2016/07/16/report-aston-villa-linked-with-ambitious-move-for-31-goal-strike/.

Dear Birmingham Mail,

Please read the above article and note the use of the name "Villains" not "Claret and Blues".
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VinnieChase84 on July 17, 2016, 05:14:01 AM: Richards has been told he can leave allegedly.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on July 17, 2016, 07:51:09 AM: Quote from: VinnieChase84 on July 17, 2016, 05:14:01 AM
Richards has been told he can leave allegedly.

Let's hole that fat Sam doesn't get the England job then! For more than one reason.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 17, 2016, 08:34:45 AM: Who said that?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on July 17, 2016, 08:42:22 AM: Quote from: tomd2103 on July 17, 2016, 01:07:25 AM
Quote from: OCD on July 17, 2016, 12:05:52 AM
Sounds like it would be a big surprise if it came off - http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2016/07/16/report-aston-villa-linked-with-ambitious-move-for-31-goal-strike/.

Dear Birmingham Mail,

Please read the above article and note the use of the name "Villains" not "Claret and Blues".

as im sure someone else has posted i think all of this stems from the club site and they are just lifting from it
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 17, 2016, 09:57:58 AM: Marseille now sniffing around for a loan move for Veretout and pulling the plug on Sanchez. Wankers. Pay up or fuck off.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on July 17, 2016, 11:31:37 AM: Quote from: mr underhill on July 17, 2016, 09:57:58 AM
Marseille now sniffing around for a loan move for Veretout and pulling the plug on Sanchez. Wankers. Pay up or fuck off.

So that's Gana, Sanchez and now Veretout they've been allegedly interested in. Are they only looking at our players?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on July 17, 2016, 11:35:02 AM: Quote from: tomd2103 on July 17, 2016, 11:31:37 AM
Quote from: mr underhill on July 17, 2016, 09:57:58 AM
Marseille now sniffing around for a loan move for Veretout and pulling the plug on Sanchez. Wankers. Pay up or fuck off.

So that's Gana, Sanchez and now Veretout they've been allegedly interested in. Are they only looking at our players?
They're just slow in realising that Gabby is the one that they really want! :D
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: LTA on July 17, 2016, 11:37:29 AM: Quote from: Diablo on July 16, 2016, 04:48:09 PM
Quote from: eamonn on July 16, 2016, 04:43:06 PM
Apparently Di Matteo said regarding outgoings, some we will be surprised by and some will be disappointing. I guess the latter refers to transfer release clauses being met for the more coveted ones suggesting Gana and maybe Ayew are likely off.

"Surprised and disappointing" sounds pretty ominous especially with only 3 weeks to go.

Writings on the wall then.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: LeeB on July 17, 2016, 11:47:18 AM: Comical LTA
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: AV89 on July 17, 2016, 11:51:44 AM: Quote from: LTA on July 17, 2016, 11:37:29 AM
Quote from: Diablo on July 16, 2016, 04:48:09 PM
Quote from: eamonn on July 16, 2016, 04:43:06 PM
Apparently Di Matteo said regarding outgoings, some we will be surprised by and some will be disappointing. I guess the latter refers to transfer release clauses being met for the more coveted ones suggesting Gana and maybe Ayew are likely off.

"Surprised and disappointing" sounds pretty ominous especially with only 3 weeks to go.

Writings on the wall then.

Do you punch yourself in the face every morning to make sure your day starts as badly as possible?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 17, 2016, 11:51:45 AM: Quote from: LTA on July 17, 2016, 11:37:29 AM
Quote from: Diablo on July 16, 2016, 04:48:09 PM
Quote from: eamonn on July 16, 2016, 04:43:06 PM
Apparently Di Matteo said regarding outgoings, some we will be surprised by and some will be disappointing. I guess the latter refers to transfer release clauses being met for the more coveted ones suggesting Gana and maybe Ayew are likely off.

"Surprised and disappointing" sounds pretty ominous especially with only 3 weeks to go.

Writings on the wall then.

And he's back.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: in exile on July 17, 2016, 11:52:08 AM: Quote from: tomd2103 on July 17, 2016, 11:31:37 AM
Quote from: mr underhill on July 17, 2016, 09:57:58 AM
Marseille now sniffing around for a loan move for Veretout and pulling the plug on Sanchez. Wankers. Pay up or fuck off.

So that's Gana, Sanchez and now Veretout they've been allegedly interested in. Are they only looking at our players?

Look on the bright side, it could be Bacuna next
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 17, 2016, 12:13:48 PM: Quote from: LTA on July 17, 2016, 11:37:29 AM
Quote from: Diablo on July 16, 2016, 04:48:09 PM
Quote from: eamonn on July 16, 2016, 04:43:06 PM
Apparently Di Matteo said regarding outgoings, some we will be surprised by and some will be disappointing. I guess the latter refers to transfer release clauses being met for the more coveted ones suggesting Gana and maybe Ayew are likely off.

"Surprised and disappointing" sounds pretty ominous especially with only 3 weeks to go.

Writings on the wall then.

Read the article before jumping the gun. He's talking about assessing the current squad.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on July 17, 2016, 12:21:21 PM: I find it mildly amusing when a troll refers to "writing" not having read what they are trolling about.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Chris Jameson on July 17, 2016, 01:56:54 PM: He's / She's a real ray of sunshine isn't he / she?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on July 17, 2016, 02:00:03 PM: Quote from: LTA on July 17, 2016, 11:37:29 AM
Quote from: Diablo on July 16, 2016, 04:48:09 PM
Quote from: eamonn on July 16, 2016, 04:43:06 PM
Apparently Di Matteo said regarding outgoings, some we will be surprised by and some will be disappointing. I guess the latter refers to transfer release clauses being met for the more coveted ones suggesting Gana and maybe Ayew are likely off.

"Surprised and disappointing" sounds pretty ominous especially with only 3 weeks to go.

Writings on the wall then.

Did you enjoy Wimbledon this year?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: eamonn on July 17, 2016, 03:11:02 PM: Yeah, sorry, I must have misinterpreted that Di Matteo quote. Gregg Evans wrote it in a way that suggested it was more negative or else I was being a bit thick.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt C on July 17, 2016, 04:14:42 PM: He was answering a question about pre-season training and referring to what he made of the current squad if I recall correctly.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 17, 2016, 04:19:22 PM: I like the way RDM is doing this. He's taking his time. He's not panicking. He's got ideas he's trying to impart and carefully assessing attitudes as much as talent. The next few weeks will see players go, some we would want to keep but at the end of the day we need players who WANT to be at the club. There are lots of players who want to play for Aston Villa and we need those only, both from the incumbent group as well as players we find and bring in.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: OCD on July 17, 2016, 05:31:36 PM: Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 17, 2016, 04:19:22 PM
I like the way RDM is doing this. He's taking his time. He's not panicking. He's got ideas he's trying to impart and carefully assessing attitudes as much as talent. The next few weeks will see players go, some we would want to keep but at the end of the day we need players who WANT to be at the club. There are lots of players who want to play for Aston Villa and we need those only, both from the incumbent group as well as players we find and bring in.

It's really the only way it could be done. I know people will be quick to point out what a mess it was last season and how much change is needed (which is true) but there's no point of the people in authority panicking and making an even bigger mess of it.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: paul_e on July 17, 2016, 06:09:00 PM: Quote from: OCD on July 17, 2016, 05:31:36 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 17, 2016, 04:19:22 PM
I like the way RDM is doing this. He's taking his time. He's not panicking. He's got ideas he's trying to impart and carefully assessing attitudes as much as talent. The next few weeks will see players go, some we would want to keep but at the end of the day we need players who WANT to be at the club. There are lots of players who want to play for Aston Villa and we need those only, both from the incumbent group as well as players we find and bring in.

It's really the only way it could be done. I know people will be quick to point out what a mess it was last season and how much change is needed (which is true) but there's no point of the people in authority panicking and making an even bigger mess of it.

How much change is needed is the important bit. For people who are angry about shitty performances 15-16 replacements in the squad is probably justified but that creates as many risks as it solves so 6-7 feels more realistic.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 17, 2016, 06:37:49 PM: The very last thing we need is Randy Lerner style governance and another rash decision like a bomb squad. The management and board at the club are different and they need to make rational well thought through decisions. Devoid of the emotion of last season. They know very well what went on last season and would have spoken to the likes of Little and Taylor for example to get their feelings RDM/Clarke/Wyness are no mugs.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 17, 2016, 06:42:21 PM: Speaking of which... The Doc has tweeted the following about our transfer activity so far

Quote
Quality is more important than quantity. Doing everything right is much better than doing a lots. You have to believe this......

He's made more sense in two sentences than Randy did across 10 years.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on July 17, 2016, 06:42:56 PM: In a nutshell TV.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: atomicjam on July 17, 2016, 07:29:17 PM: Dr. Tony Xia is busy on Twitter tonight. He has wrote in response to someone linking him to a blog on Aston Villa:-

I read carefully&thanks for many ways.BTW Ayew will stay as I. I trust RDM too and he is confident to a good squad

The Ayew bit is interesting.

https://twitter.com/Dr_TonyXia
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SirSteveUK on July 17, 2016, 07:39:24 PM: Quote
BTW Ayew will stay as I.

World's only Rasta Chinaman ??
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on July 17, 2016, 07:46:42 PM: A chairman who communicates! Who'd have thunk it? I like it.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ldavfc4eva on July 17, 2016, 07:55:38 PM: Hope he does stay as he is one of the few that have the right attitude and application, whilst also being decent enough at premier league level.

Not really sure where he is best deployed though, would like to see him and Rudy together for a couple of games up front to see if he is any good up front rather than on the wing or behind a front man.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ldavfc4eva on July 17, 2016, 07:58:24 PM: And I mean Ayew not the good Dr!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on July 17, 2016, 08:02:42 PM: Some suggestion that the Sanchez to Marseille deal is on hold as they either want Veretout, or are selling another player to afford Gueye.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on July 17, 2016, 08:17:12 PM: Quote from: Newby on July 17, 2016, 07:46:42 PM
A chairman who communicates! Who'd have thunk it? I like it.

I'm not sure I do, not on Twitter anyway.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Stirchley Villain on July 17, 2016, 08:37:19 PM: The general was very prominent on social media...
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on July 17, 2016, 08:43:28 PM: The General was very prominent in keeping Nicola Keye occupied.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on July 17, 2016, 08:45:58 PM: Good news if true on ayew

Do think he may be best with a partner though. And that has obvious implications for the formation
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on July 17, 2016, 08:49:10 PM: Yeah, Ayew needs somebody quick and mobile in front of him to make the most of his effort and guile.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: paul_e on July 17, 2016, 08:50:49 PM: Ayew as 1 of 3 behind a striker should be fine, he's happy to come deep and join up play and he's at his best running at retreating defenders rather than running off the shoulder so the slightly deeper role will help him in that regard as well.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: villadelph on July 17, 2016, 08:58:35 PM: Quote from: Clampy on July 17, 2016, 08:17:12 PM
Quote from: Newby on July 17, 2016, 07:46:42 PM
A chairman who communicates! Who'd have thunk it? I like it.

I'm not sure I do, not on Twitter anyway.

I agree. The broken English and poor grammar are unbecoming of a man of his current stature. Occasional statements are certainly appreciated but just be a pro.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: OCD on July 17, 2016, 09:37:00 PM: Not sure why Marseille are hard up for cash when they've sold Batshuayi for £33m.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Mister E on July 17, 2016, 10:07:36 PM: Quote from: villadelph on July 17, 2016, 08:58:35 PM

I agree. The broken English and poor grammar are unbecoming of a man of his current stature. Occasional statements are certainly appreciated but just be a pro.
bizarre and slightly worrying comment, TBH.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on July 17, 2016, 10:13:13 PM: Quote from: villadelph on July 17, 2016, 08:58:35 PM
Quote from: Clampy on July 17, 2016, 08:17:12 PM
Quote from: Newby on July 17, 2016, 07:46:42 PM
A chairman who communicates! Who'd have thunk it? I like it.

I'm not sure I do, not on Twitter anyway.

I agree. The broken English and poor grammar are unbecoming of a man of his current stature. Occasional statements are certainly appreciated but just be a pro.

Just no pleasing some people I guess.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 17, 2016, 10:13:21 PM: Quote from: Clampy on July 17, 2016, 08:17:12 PM
Quote from: Newby on July 17, 2016, 07:46:42 PM
A chairman who communicates! Who'd have thunk it? I like it.

I'm not sure I do, not on Twitter anyway.

Indeed. I do hope he gets bored of it and leaves quickly. Nothing good comes from Twitter. Dr.X needs to focus on the club & fans. He shouldnt be wasting his time doing PR or more likely PR damage control on twitter. There are community managers at the club who can very ably post information on twitter in a non contraversial and boring manner, thats their job. He should let them do it and he should do his.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on July 17, 2016, 10:36:24 PM: Quote from: Newby on July 17, 2016, 10:13:13 PM
Quote from: villadelph on July 17, 2016, 08:58:35 PM
Quote from: Clampy on July 17, 2016, 08:17:12 PM
Quote from: Newby on July 17, 2016, 07:46:42 PM
A chairman who communicates! Who'd have thunk it? I like it.

I'm not sure I do, not on Twitter anyway.

I agree. The broken English and poor grammar are unbecoming of a man of his current stature. Occasional statements are certainly appreciated but just be a pro.

Just no pleasing some people I guess.

Different opinions, who'd have thought it.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on July 17, 2016, 10:39:19 PM: Quote from: Clampy on July 17, 2016, 10:36:24 PM
Quote from: Newby on July 17, 2016, 10:13:13 PM
Quote from: villadelph on July 17, 2016, 08:58:35 PM
Quote from: Clampy on July 17, 2016, 08:17:12 PM
Quote from: Newby on July 17, 2016, 07:46:42 PM
A chairman who communicates! Who'd have thunk it? I like it.

I'm not sure I do, not on Twitter anyway.

I agree. The broken English and poor grammar are unbecoming of a man of his current stature. Occasional statements are certainly appreciated but just be a pro.

Just no pleasing some people I guess.

Different opinions, who'd have thought it.

Yes. I understand what people might say, the novelty might wear off etc but at a time of transition, transfers and the likes, I appreciate the communication, even if some of it might need to be filtered better.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on July 17, 2016, 10:54:24 PM: Quote from: OCD on July 17, 2016, 09:37:00 PM
Not sure why Marseille are hard up for cash when they've sold Batshuayi for £33m.

They have a large fine to pay for some sort of shenanigans.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on July 17, 2016, 10:55:01 PM: Communication is fine. Opening a Twitter account and being subjected to possible abuse if the season doesn't go well is another and the press will have a field day with it. I appreciate his intentions, but it's not a good idea at all.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Bad English on July 17, 2016, 11:04:15 PM: Quote from: PeterWithe on July 17, 2016, 10:54:24 PM
Quote from: OCD on July 17, 2016, 09:37:00 PM
Not sure why Marseille are hard up for cash when they've sold Batshuayi for £33m.

They have a large fine to pay for some sort of shenanigans.
They also have to rent the Stade Vélodrome from the City of Marseille: €4m a year + 20% of ticket sales above €20m.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on July 17, 2016, 11:16:21 PM: Quote from: paul_e on July 17, 2016, 08:50:49 PM
Ayew as 1 of 3 behind a striker should be fine, he's happy to come deep and join up play and he's at his best running at retreating defenders rather than running off the shoulder so the slightly deeper role will help him in that regard as well.

I honestly believe his best position would be on the left of the three behind a striker. Likes cutting in from the left and scored some good goals from that position.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mattjpa on July 18, 2016, 09:48:41 AM: Quote from: Clampy on July 17, 2016, 10:55:01 PM
Communication is fine. Opening a Twitter account and being subjected to possible abuse if the season doesn't go well is another and the press will have a field day with it. I appreciate his intentions, but it's not a good idea at all.

Briefly engaging on twitter and instagram I have come to realise they are absolutely riddled with f-ing twats. some of the comments on instagram are appalling. I love the fact that he is willing to engage with fans but twitter as a medium to do so is a bad idea unless controlled. I am no PR guru but I would recommend that he sends all tweets/instagrams through to a PR manager who can then vet and post on his behalf.

I also think he should avoid responding to tweets and retweet requests and use twitter for statements only. The fishers and trolls will soon get bored.

It is commendable though and the willingness he is showing to reengage the fan base should be applauded
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sid1964 on July 18, 2016, 09:59:39 AM: Just seen on B'ham mail site, that if Sanchez leaves, then we are showing an interest in Liam Bridcutt of Sunderland

Good Championship player, but I would have thought that we would have to get a few to leave first, not 1 out 1 in?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 18, 2016, 10:33:37 AM: I think from the Dr's tweet saying Quality over quantity, it might go a bit slowly, we do have a lot of players who definitely need to be gotten rid of
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: berneboy on July 18, 2016, 10:54:08 AM: Quote from: sid1964 on July 18, 2016, 09:59:39 AM
Just seen on B'ham mail site, that if Sanchez leaves, then we are showing an interest in Liam Bridcutt of Sunderland

Good Championship player, but I would have thought that we would have to get a few to leave first, not 1 out 1 in?

I've never heard of him but he was a real success apparently at Brighton and popular with the fans at Leeds. We need some fighters.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on July 18, 2016, 11:05:09 AM: Quote from: berneboy on July 18, 2016, 10:54:08 AM
Quote from: sid1964 on July 18, 2016, 09:59:39 AM
Just seen on B'ham mail site, that if Sanchez leaves, then we are showing an interest in Liam Bridcutt of Sunderland

Good Championship player, but I would have thought that we would have to get a few to leave first, not 1 out 1 in?

I've never heard of him but he was a real success apparently at Brighton and popular with the fans at Leeds. We need some fighters.

Was a highly rated prospect, but hasn't really cut it in the top flight.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 18, 2016, 11:09:35 AM: In a poor Sunderland team , I seem to remember he cost a few ££ from Brighton ??
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villatillidie25 on July 18, 2016, 11:10:27 AM: he was poor at Sunderland. I know we need to temper expectations on the quality we will be able to attract this season but he doesn't inspire me with confidence to be honest and would be someone we need to replace in 12 months (all things going well).
Hopefully it is just lazy journalism and they have drawn a link between RDM and Poyet to hunt for a former Brighton player
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on July 18, 2016, 12:02:10 PM: Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on July 18, 2016, 10:33:37 AM
I think from the Dr's tweet saying Quality over quantity, it might go a bit slowly, we do have a lot of players who definitely need to be gotten rid of

I think he is talking about trimming the squad rather than incoming transfers, which is why he has thrown in Ayew's name in to that tweet. He wants a quality squad rather than a large squad. IMO.

Bridcutt? Is that an admission that we might be in the Championship for a while longer than one season?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: CJ on July 18, 2016, 12:23:19 PM: In that Guardian article quoted on the RDM/Steve Clarke thread, Di Matteo was talking about getting back to the PL within 2 years, which I think is fairly realistic - a season to re-shape the squad, consolidate, determine a style of playing, establish a winning mentality, then push on with better signings along the way. Obviously it would be great to get back at the first attempt, but I'm not as optimistic as some, given the squad we've got and the losing mentality which became ingrained last season. In his words the whole house needs knocking down and rebuilt from the foundations up, and IMHO that could well take more than one season
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Bottom Right 89 on July 18, 2016, 12:35:03 PM: Quote from: CJ on July 18, 2016, 12:23:19 PM
In that Guardian article quoted on the RDM/Steve Clarke thread, Di Matteo was talking about getting back to the PL within 2 years, which I think is fairly realistic - a season to re-shape the squad, consolidate, determine a style of playing, establish a winning mentality, then push on with better signings along the way. Obviously it would be great to get back at the first attempt, but I'm not as optimistic as some, given the squad we've got and the losing mentality which became ingrained last season. In his words the whole house needs knocking down and rebuilt from the foundations up, and IMHO that could well take more than one season
Yes I would agree with you except this is Aston Villa we expect better, consolidation is for teams like Norwich. Let us settle for mid table in the premier league next season. Our players need to go out with the attitude that only winning the title this season will be good enough.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on July 18, 2016, 12:36:35 PM: Agreed. One year in that league is a year too long, never mind two.

The longer we stay in, the less chance we have of keeping the better players, the less money we receive in parachute payments and the harder it gets.

Anything less than promotion next season is a significant failure.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on July 18, 2016, 12:46:15 PM: You also have to remember we won 3 league games last year and we were absolutely diabolical. I'm hoping we do it first time but i'm not expecting us to.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Brend'Watkins on July 18, 2016, 12:50:22 PM: Quote from: Ads on July 18, 2016, 12:36:35 PM
Agreed. One year in that league is a year too long, never mind two.

The longer we stay in, the less chance we have of keeping the better players, the less money we receive in parachute payments and the harder it gets.

Anything less than promotion next season is a significant failure.

Absolutely. From the off we should be setting our stall out to win every game. Promotion guaranteed by January should be the target.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Nelly on July 18, 2016, 12:50:58 PM: Quote from: Bottom Right 89 on July 18, 2016, 12:35:03 PM
Quote from: CJ on July 18, 2016, 12:23:19 PM
In that Guardian article quoted on the RDM/Steve Clarke thread, Di Matteo was talking about getting back to the PL within 2 years, which I think is fairly realistic - a season to re-shape the squad, consolidate, determine a style of playing, establish a winning mentality, then push on with better signings along the way. Obviously it would be great to get back at the first attempt, but I'm not as optimistic as some, given the squad we've got and the losing mentality which became ingrained last season. In his words the whole house needs knocking down and rebuilt from the foundations up, and IMHO that could well take more than one season
Yes I would agree with you except this is Aston Villa we expect better, consolidation if for teams like Norwich. Let us settle for mid table in the premier league next season. Our players need to go out with the attitude that only winning the title this season will be good enough.

I think we as fans could help with this. I think we could learn a bit of patience sometimes. Like the friendly the other day. Lets help them get us back.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 18, 2016, 12:57:48 PM: Quote from: Clampy on July 18, 2016, 12:46:15 PM
You also have to remember we won 3 league games last year and we were absolutely diabolical. I'm hoping we do it first time but i'm not expecting us to.

yes we were 17 points worse off than the other relegated teams, there is a gap to be closed
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: CJ on July 18, 2016, 01:09:11 PM: Quote from: Bottom Right 89 on July 18, 2016, 12:35:03 PM
Quote from: CJ on July 18, 2016, 12:23:19 PM
In that Guardian article quoted on the RDM/Steve Clarke thread, Di Matteo was talking about getting back to the PL within 2 years, which I think is fairly realistic - a season to re-shape the squad, consolidate, determine a style of playing, establish a winning mentality, then push on with better signings along the way. Obviously it would be great to get back at the first attempt, but I'm not as optimistic as some, given the squad we've got and the losing mentality which became ingrained last season. In his words the whole house needs knocking down and rebuilt from the foundations up, and IMHO that could well take more than one season
Yes I would agree with you except this is Aston Villa we expect better, consolidation is for teams like Norwich. Let us settle for mid table in the premier league next season. Our players need to go out with the attitude that only winning the title this season will be good enough.

Yes, this is Aston Villa and we expect better - I expected them to be busting a gut to stay in the top flight last season rather than competing for Derby's record low points and wins in a top flight season, and inevitably that means there will be a period of consolidation while we turn things round. Believe me I'd be as ecstatic as anyone else if we get back up at the first time of asking, but we finished a long way behind the rest and there's a lot of work to be done. I don't want to be in the Championship at all, I certainly don't want to be there for more than one season, but realistically that's what it might take
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on July 18, 2016, 01:18:34 PM: Quote from: VILLA MOLE on July 18, 2016, 12:57:48 PM
Quote from: Clampy on July 18, 2016, 12:46:15 PM
You also have to remember we won 3 league games last year and we were absolutely diabolical. I'm hoping we do it first time but i'm not expecting us to.

yes we were 17 points worse off than the other relegated teams, there is a gap to be closed

I think we need to bring in a fair few new faces in the next 3 weeks. Impossible to overstate how absolutely shit we were last year - we'd have been relegated from any of the top three tiers of football, the way we played last season.

We've got the new owner, got the new manager, got the fans (always had them), now we need to spend some cash on more new players. Anyone who thinks we'll walk this league might be in for a shock.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 18, 2016, 01:21:53 PM: Quote from: Clampy on July 18, 2016, 12:46:15 PM
You also have to remember we won 3 league games last year and we were absolutely diabolical. I'm hoping we do it first time but i'm not expecting us to.

Consolidate next season, but win the title the year afterwards. Deal?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: eric woolban woolban on July 18, 2016, 01:23:31 PM: Just don't want us to do a Leeds or Forest. Have a decent first season back, nearly get promoted but then have a gradual decline in quality over the next few seasons.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on July 18, 2016, 01:27:33 PM: Quote from: Ads on July 18, 2016, 12:36:35 PM
Agreed. One year in that league is a year too long, never mind two.

The longer we stay in, the less chance we have of keeping the better players, the less money we receive in parachute payments and the harder it gets.

Anything less than promotion next season is a significant failure.

Agree Ads, particularly with the point in bold.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Gareth on July 18, 2016, 01:29:47 PM: I still think we are 6 weeks away from knowing the real make up of our squad - just cannot see the majority of players RDM decides he wants to see the back of going until last couple of days of transfer window.

If we must have transfer windows I wish they would close it on August 1st not 2/3 weeks after season starts.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: DeKuip on July 18, 2016, 01:31:59 PM: Quote from: Ads on July 18, 2016, 12:36:35 PM
Agreed. One year in that league is a year too long, never mind two.

The longer we stay in, the less chance we have of keeping the better players, the less money we receive in parachute payments and the harder it gets.

Anything less than promotion next season is a significant failure.
Relegation would be failure - anything in the top half of the table would be a decent season. To think we could bounce straight back is extremely optimistic.

As for Bridcutt I saw him a couple of times for Leeds last season and he looked a level above anyone else on the pitch, but hasn't done anything in a Sunderland shirt.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: AVH87 on July 18, 2016, 01:58:47 PM: Quote from: VILLA MOLE on July 18, 2016, 12:57:48 PM
Quote from: Clampy on July 18, 2016, 12:46:15 PM
You also have to remember we won 3 league games last year and we were absolutely diabolical. I'm hoping we do it first time but i'm not expecting us to.

yes we were 17 points worse off than the other relegated teams, there is a gap to be closed

At this moment in time, the signing of Elphick (although good) alongside 2 youngsters, will not have closed that gap enough. We need some experienced, quality additions to the first XI before we can think about finishing in the top 2 this season, baring in mind teams like Derby, Brighton and Wednesday will likely be strong alongside Newc and Norwich.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: nigel on July 18, 2016, 02:07:03 PM: Quote from: DeKuip on July 18, 2016, 01:31:59 PM
Quote from: Ads on July 18, 2016, 12:36:35 PM
Agreed. One year in that league is a year too long, never mind two.

The longer we stay in, the less chance we have of keeping the better players, the less money we receive in parachute payments and the harder it gets.

Anything less than promotion next season is a significant failure.
Relegation would be failure - anything in the top half of the table would be a decent season. To think we could bounce straight back is extremely optimistic.

As for Bridcutt I saw him a couple of times for Leeds last season and he looked a level above anyone else on the pitch, but hasn't done anything in a Sunderland shirt.

Regarding Bridcutt, that could, possibly, be more to do with Sunderland than the player. Could be a good signing.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 18, 2016, 02:32:16 PM: The championship is a funny league.

138 points to play for. We've seen before teams in mid table or even lower at xmas...and then promoted to the premier league in May.

As it stands I can see the first half of the season being a bit hit and miss so patience is needed in the stands.

You've still got the January transfer window to properly gets things sorted with the squad and then give promotion a serious go.

As it stands I think we might be a little like Sunderland in 2006. They went down with 15 points I think and lost their first 4 games of the season before they appointed Keane as manager. They ended up winning the league quite comfortably.

Not saying we can do that but all it takes is 2-3 wins on the trot and you'll rise up the league quite significantly.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Walmley_Villa on July 18, 2016, 03:05:37 PM: Quote from: SoccerHQ on July 18, 2016, 02:32:16 PM
The championship is a funny league.

138 points to play for. We've seen before teams in mid table or even lower at xmas...and then promoted to the premier league in May.

As it stands I can see the first half of the season being a bit hit and miss so patience is needed in the stands.

You've still got the January transfer window to properly gets things sorted with the squad and then give promotion a serious go.

As it stands I think we might be a little like Sunderland in 2006. They went down with 15 points I think and lost their first 4 games of the season before they appointed Keane as manager. They ended up winning the league quite comfortably.

Not saying we can do that but all it takes is 2-3 wins on the trot and you'll rise up the league quite significantly.

Hopefully we won't be appointing Keano after the first 4 games though!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Richard E on July 18, 2016, 03:09:52 PM: Quote from: DeKuip on July 18, 2016, 01:31:59 PM
Quote from: Ads on July 18, 2016, 12:36:35 PM
Agreed. One year in that league is a year too long, never mind two.

The longer we stay in, the less chance we have of keeping the better players, the less money we receive in parachute payments and the harder it gets.

Anything less than promotion next season is a significant failure.
Relegation would be failure - anything in the top half of the table would be a decent season. To think we could bounce straight back is extremely optimistic.

As for Bridcutt I saw him a couple of times for Leeds last season and he looked a level above anyone else on the pitch, but hasn't done anything in a Sunderland shirt.

We'd better warn RDM that if he signs him he must only play him in a Villa shirt.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 18, 2016, 03:16:17 PM: What people shouldn't do is panic if things don't start as well as we all hope. There are going to be bumps and a lot of learning. However, based on what I have seen of the league the defending is overall quite suspect and we need to take advantage of that. I still believe that the disaster behind the scenes contributed to our entire club being broken and fragmented. That the players are much better than they showed. It wasn't even they performed as individuals. I think we are starting on a much better footing now and critically RDM needs to unify the squad and have them all pulling together. It will be amazing what winning will bring to this group.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 18, 2016, 03:32:26 PM: Quote from: Nelly on July 18, 2016, 12:50:58 PM
Quote from: Bottom Right 89 on July 18, 2016, 12:35:03 PM
Quote from: CJ on July 18, 2016, 12:23:19 PM
In that Guardian article quoted on the RDM/Steve Clarke thread, Di Matteo was talking about getting back to the PL within 2 years, which I think is fairly realistic - a season to re-shape the squad, consolidate, determine a style of playing, establish a winning mentality, then push on with better signings along the way. Obviously it would be great to get back at the first attempt, but I'm not as optimistic as some, given the squad we've got and the losing mentality which became ingrained last season. In his words the whole house needs knocking down and rebuilt from the foundations up, and IMHO that could well take more than one season
Yes I would agree with you except this is Aston Villa we expect better, consolidation if for teams like Norwich. Let us settle for mid table in the premier league next season. Our players need to go out with the attitude that only winning the title this season will be good enough.

I think we as fans could help with this. I think we could learn a bit of patience sometimes. Like the friendly the other day. Lets help them get us back.

Could not agree more with that, one of the reasons I didn't go much last year was because the negative attitude was depressing, not saying the players didn't deserve it but at times it was unbearable
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on July 18, 2016, 03:43:45 PM: Quote from: nigel on July 18, 2016, 02:07:03 PM
Quote from: DeKuip on July 18, 2016, 01:31:59 PM
Quote from: Ads on July 18, 2016, 12:36:35 PM
Agreed. One year in that league is a year too long, never mind two.

The longer we stay in, the less chance we have of keeping the better players, the less money we receive in parachute payments and the harder it gets.

Anything less than promotion next season is a significant failure.
Relegation would be failure - anything in the top half of the table would be a decent season. To think we could bounce straight back is extremely optimistic.

As for Bridcutt I saw him a couple of times for Leeds last season and he looked a level above anyone else on the pitch, but hasn't done anything in a Sunderland shirt.

Regarding Bridcutt, that could, possibly, be more to do with Sunderland than the player. Could be a good signing.

I think it's more likely to do with the difference between the Championship and the Premier League.

Looking good for Brighton and Leeds and less good for Sunderland a division higher suggests that you can probably add him to the likes of Whittingham, Jerome, Nugent and the like who look great at that level but out of their depth any higher up.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 18, 2016, 03:45:27 PM: From what I've seen of Bridcutt in the past, his main role will be to kick lumps out of the opposition and break up their attacks.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on July 18, 2016, 04:37:28 PM: Quote from: DeKuip on July 18, 2016, 01:31:59 PM
Quote from: Ads on July 18, 2016, 12:36:35 PM
Agreed. One year in that league is a year too long, never mind two.

The longer we stay in, the less chance we have of keeping the better players, the less money we receive in parachute payments and the harder it gets.

Anything less than promotion next season is a significant failure.
Relegation would be failure - anything in the top half of the table would be a decent season. To think we could bounce straight back is extremely optimistic.

As for Bridcutt I saw him a couple of times for Leeds last season and he looked a level above anyone else on the pitch, but hasn't done anything in a Sunderland shirt.

Really? Blues were garbage when we played them last season and they managed that.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on July 18, 2016, 04:49:40 PM: Quote from: tomd2103 on July 18, 2016, 04:37:28 PM
Really? Blues were garbage when we played them last season and they managed that.

Really? that's certainly not my recollection of how the game panned out
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Richard E on July 18, 2016, 04:51:25 PM: Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on July 18, 2016, 04:49:40 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on July 18, 2016, 04:37:28 PM
Really? Blues were garbage when we played them last season and they managed that.

Really? that's certainly not my recollection of how the game panned out

Yeah, but don't forget Timmy had us DELIBERATELY playing rubbish in the first half as part of his cunning plan!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on July 18, 2016, 05:09:27 PM: We were shit first half, they were utter toss the entire game. Yet they finished top half and within spitting distance of the play offs.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Holtemeister on July 18, 2016, 07:26:23 PM: There are so many reasons we were so bad last season ... i sincerely believe that our squad last season was better than how we ended up ... not world beaters but better than we showed.

With a new manager new owner and bit of belief coupled with a few new suitably experienced players then we may not be far off.

This includes some of the players many are calling to be jettisoned out of Villa Park.

This depends greatly however on how we start 4 or 5 wins and the morale will be right up ... 3 or 4 losses and the doom and gloom will return ... this goes for players and the fans
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SirSteveUK on July 18, 2016, 08:56:44 PM: Quote from: Holtemeister on July 18, 2016, 07:26:23 PM
There are so many reasons we were so bad last season ... i sincerely believe that our squad last season was better than how we ended up ... not world beaters but better than we showed.

With a new manager new owner and bit of belief coupled with a few new suitably experienced players then we may not be far off.

This includes some of the players many are calling to be jettisoned out of Villa Park.

This depends greatly however on how we start 4 or 5 wins and the morale will be right up ... 3 or 4 losses and the doom and gloom will return ... this goes for players and the fans

sensible post - you in the right forum ??
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Holtemeister on July 18, 2016, 09:13:11 PM: Probably not ...but some of the hyberbole going around is rediculous at times !!!

Micah Richards for example aint a championship player but needs a decent manager to get the best out of him again ... lescott on the other hand needs to show his legs aint gone
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on July 18, 2016, 09:21:35 PM: Quote from: Ads on July 18, 2016, 05:09:27 PM
We were shit first half, they were utter toss the entire game. Yet they finished top half and within spitting distance of the play offs.

Accurate summation.

Other thing we have to bare in mind is that the three teams coming down from the Prem next year will have a far higher parachute payment than we have, given the new TV deal.

Shit or bust for me.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on July 18, 2016, 09:26:09 PM: Gollini
Richards. Elphick ? Amavi
Tshibola ?
Ayew ? Grealish
?

All about opinions I guess, but we have the makings of a good side. Okore, Gestede, Gardner, Traore, Green, Westwood, Steer, Gil to make up the numbers.

Likelihood that Sanchez, Gana, Veretout and Sinclair will go. Lescott, Bacuna, Gabby and Guzan, dump.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Gareth on July 18, 2016, 09:44:39 PM: Quote from: Newby on July 18, 2016, 09:26:09 PM
Gollini
Richards. Elphick ? Amavi
Tshibola ?
Ayew ? Grealish
?

All about opinions I guess, but we have the makings of a good side. Okore, Gestede, Gardner, Traore, Green, Westwood, Steer, Gil to make up the numbers.

Likelihood that Sanchez, Gana, Veretout and Sinclair will go. Lescott, Bacuna, Gabby and Guzan, dump.

Hutton (or even better Cyrus Christie from Derby, not that we've been linked!) for Richards who is never fit for more than 3 games & makings of a start. You might want to keep Clark or Baker to back up centre half & Bennett likewise left back.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 18, 2016, 09:51:32 PM: A slight re-arrange but...

Quote from: Newby on July 18, 2016, 09:26:09 PM
Gollini
? (hutton) Elphick Clark Amavi
Tshibola Vertout
Traore Grealish Ayew
? (loan)

I think it is the start of a good team, once the funk of previous seasons is banished.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on July 18, 2016, 10:24:41 PM: So with Sanchez and Veretout likely going and Bridcutt likely (Poyet still mates with RDM clearly?) We would have holding midfield sorted with someone who has done it at that level. Veretout going out on loan is a decent deal for us. Can still come back and if he doesn't might bump his value back up.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on July 18, 2016, 10:24:54 PM: I wonder if RDM will favour a more physical player next to Tshibola? Is Bridcutt that type of player? I wonder what happened to the Meireles link?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on July 18, 2016, 10:32:17 PM: Quote from: Ads on July 18, 2016, 05:09:27 PM
We were shit first half, they were utter toss the entire game. Yet they finished top half and within spitting distance of the play offs.

Yep, we absolutely hammered them in the 2nd half and should have won by a far bigger margin. They were organised and worked hard, but had very little quality throughout the side and yet as you say, were in contention for the play offs for a while.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on July 19, 2016, 12:06:20 AM: Disappointed in seeing Veretout possibly getting loaned out, but I suppose there's a good side to it providing that it doesn't come with a cheap option to buy. Don't know how good Tshibola is going forward, but if he's not that kind of player, we still really need a midfielder who knows how to play in the final third since Bridcutt, from everything I've seen and read, is a more straight-up holding player.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: OCD on July 19, 2016, 12:07:36 AM: Is it just one link to Bridcutt or is there more to it for there to be so much talk about him?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on July 19, 2016, 12:19:26 AM: Bridcutt doesn't cut it in prem league that's for sure. He was awful and also fouled and too agressive . Think he's quite limited has a shot worse that delph but he's a defensive midfielder. He plays basic passes and gets stuck in. Would prob be okay at championship level again as was okay before however find him underwhelming. He's also got too a tenacious attitude but can see why he would be brought in
Very unspectacular and perhaps solid enough for championship level. He'd offer little attacking wise but would be as they say that enforcer . I'm not sure on his range of quality of passing and shooting isn't much but he can tackle and get stuck in.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on July 19, 2016, 12:21:30 AM: Quote from: ADVILLAFAN on July 18, 2016, 03:45:27 PM
From what I've seen of Bridcutt in the past, his main role will be to kick lumps out of the opposition and break up their attacks.

Agreed ! More suited to Leeds disappointed if he comes out way but then I wanted flair all round with RDM in charge .
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on July 19, 2016, 12:24:52 AM: Quote from: Newby on July 18, 2016, 10:24:54 PM
I wonder if RDM will favour a more physical player next to Tshibola? Is Bridcutt that type of player? I wonder what happened to the Meireles link?

Yes bridcut is a fouler and gets stuck in. Maybe useful to have in a physical league but he's no footballer . Physical player one that would stick out at villa as we don't have many. Maybe Hutton
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on July 19, 2016, 07:17:39 AM: Bridcutt is the type of player you need one of though in that league. Happy to mix it, win the battle and let others do the rest. If he's cheap, he will be much more use than Westwood in that holding role. He was pretty highly thought of before Sunderland bought him. Worth giving a chance too imo.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on July 19, 2016, 07:24:40 AM: Don't know much about Bridcutt except according to Wiki, he won player of the year twice at Brighton and was nominated for player of the season at Leeds despite only joining on loan half way through the season. It didn't seem to work out for him at Sunderland though.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 19, 2016, 07:53:58 AM: Quote from: Clampy on July 19, 2016, 07:24:40 AM
Don't know much about Bridcutt except according to Wiki, he won player of the year twice at Brighton and was nominated for player of the season at Leeds despite only joining on loan half way through the season. It didn't seem to work out for him at Sunderland though.

Sounds like a good signing for this league. Didn't Lambert want him when he was our manager?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on July 19, 2016, 08:04:58 AM: Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 19, 2016, 07:53:58 AM
Quote from: Clampy on July 19, 2016, 07:24:40 AM
Don't know much about Bridcutt except according to Wiki, he won player of the year twice at Brighton and was nominated for player of the season at Leeds despite only joining on loan half way through the season. It didn't seem to work out for him at Sunderland though.

Sounds like a good signing for this league. Didn't Lambert want him when he was our manager?

I think he was linked when he was here yes
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 19, 2016, 08:05:46 AM: Quote from: Clampy on July 19, 2016, 07:24:40 AM
Don't know much about Bridcutt except according to Wiki, he won player of the year twice at Brighton and was nominated for player of the season at Leeds despite only joining on loan half way through the season. It didn't seem to work out for him at Sunderland though.

I'd imagine Sunderland would be keen to have him off their books so we should consider a loan deal. Sunderland lose the wages and we have the chance to 'try before you buy'.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sid1964 on July 19, 2016, 08:33:05 AM: when we were in the Premier league and loaned a player to a Championship club, we had to pay a percentage of their wages, now that we are in the Championship, these rich premier league clubs should loan us there players, and pay there wages for us?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on July 19, 2016, 08:45:04 AM: Hiroshi Kiyotake (he of that slightly unhinged Twitter thing from a couple of summers ago) has moved to Sevilla, so he must be doing alright for himself.

Hashtagfreekiyo.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 19, 2016, 12:12:48 PM: Quote from: Dave on July 19, 2016, 08:45:04 AM
Hiroshi Kiyotake (he of that slightly unhinged Twitter thing from a couple of summers ago) has moved to Sevilla, so he must be doing alright for himself.

Hashtagfreekiyo.

So Julie was right all along. Kiyotake did end up at a club with Villa in its name.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sid1964 on July 19, 2016, 12:13:54 PM: Albion after Ciaran Clarke! if they offer the buy out clause, I think he will be gone

But this is the Albion we are dealing with so they will probably only offer a million for him
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Richard E on July 19, 2016, 12:21:50 PM: Quote from: sid1964 on July 19, 2016, 12:13:54 PM
Albion after Ciaran Clarke! if they offer the buy out clause, I think he will be gone

But this is the Albion we are dealing with so they will probably only offer a million for him

They can have him!! As long as we don't let them have Ciaran Clark as well we'll be fine.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 19, 2016, 12:22:35 PM: no let them have him with or without the e
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: LeeB on July 19, 2016, 12:43:02 PM: Hopefully this news will alert other clubs. It could just spark a bidding war.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Chris Jameson on July 19, 2016, 12:50:56 PM: Maybe we could sell Clark and Clarke to two clubs?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on July 19, 2016, 12:53:43 PM: as average as i think Clark can be, why we'd even consider selling him when we still have two absolute worse CBs in Lescott and Richards on board i'll never understand
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on July 19, 2016, 12:54:59 PM: Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on July 19, 2016, 12:53:43 PM

as average as i think Clark can be, why we'd even consider selling him when we still have two absolute worse CBs in Lescott and Richards on board i'll never understand

Because apparently he has a release clause of £5m in his contract, so we wouldn't really have much say in the matter?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on July 19, 2016, 12:58:02 PM: Quote from: Dave on July 19, 2016, 12:54:59 PM
Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on July 19, 2016, 12:53:43 PM

as average as i think Clark can be, why we'd even consider selling him when we still have two absolute worse CBs in Lescott and Richards on board i'll never understand

Because apparently he has a release clause of £5m in his contract, so we wouldn't really have much say in the matter?

I seem to recall Luis Suarez having a release clause that Arsenal met and he still went to Barca for WAY WAY more
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on July 19, 2016, 01:02:15 PM: Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on July 19, 2016, 12:58:02 PM
Quote from: Dave on July 19, 2016, 12:54:59 PM
Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on July 19, 2016, 12:53:43 PM

as average as i think Clark can be, why we'd even consider selling him when we still have two absolute worse CBs in Lescott and Richards on board i'll never understand

Because apparently he has a release clause of £5m in his contract, so we wouldn't really have much say in the matter?

I seem to recall Luis Suarez having a release clause that Arsenal met and he still went to Barca for WAY WAY more

Given that he signed a new contract without a release clause before his transfer I'm not sure how much money Barcelona paid for Suarez is relevant to Clark's situation.

I think I'd be looking more at our own history with players and their release clauses for evidence of how it's likely to play out, assuming West Brom want him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on July 19, 2016, 01:03:07 PM: Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on July 19, 2016, 12:58:02 PM
Quote from: Dave on July 19, 2016, 12:54:59 PM
Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on July 19, 2016, 12:53:43 PM

as average as i think Clark can be, why we'd even consider selling him when we still have two absolute worse CBs in Lescott and Richards on board i'll never understand

Because apparently he has a release clause of £5m in his contract, so we wouldn't really have much say in the matter?

I seem to recall Luis Suarez having a release clause that Arsenal met and he still went to Barca for WAY WAY more

Didn't Liverpool improve his contract and take out the clause?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: robbo1874 on July 19, 2016, 01:03:46 PM: He would have to agree personal terms though wouldn't he? If he didn't want to go there, just knock back their offer? Pretty sure a club couldn't force a player to sign for them I the player didn't want to go. All said, Albion would be a better prospect than Villa next season, much as it pains me to say it. He's more of a premier league standard than championship, in my view.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 19, 2016, 01:03:59 PM: Would let Clark go.

Would be happy to start the season with Elphick and Okore with Baker as back up. Keep Lescott in reserve if no one wants him or loan in a CB on last day of transfer window.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Bottom Right 89 on July 19, 2016, 01:06:53 PM: Let them have Lescott on a free.

Why would Clarkson leave a positive promotion chasing squad for another premier league relegation battle? He'd be better off staying with us.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 19, 2016, 01:23:13 PM: Is Clarkson better than Clarke? Discuss.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on July 19, 2016, 01:24:58 PM: Why would Albion even want Clark? They've got plenty of central defenders already. I mean if you want to field a whole team of them then fair enough, but it would take some kind of football-hating tiny-brained prehistoric manager to even consider.....hang on a minute......
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Bottom Right 89 on July 19, 2016, 01:31:01 PM: Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 19, 2016, 01:23:13 PM
Is Clarkson better than Clarke? Discuss.
I'd say Clarkson edges it but is he better than Clerk? I'm not so sure.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 19, 2016, 01:36:06 PM: Not good nought for the PL, h is at the right l v l now.
Add the E
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 19, 2016, 01:36:46 PM: Could we do a 'buy one get one free' deal with them on cock up merchant centre backs and offload Clark and Baker at the same time? It would surely relegate them next season.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KRS on July 19, 2016, 01:37:22 PM: If he does have a release clause and Baggies want to sign him then I'd have no issues with him going...at his best he is bang average, at his worst he is a complete liability. Baggies have a some what experienced but ageing defensive lineup, will be scrapping in the bottom half of the league again next season and fighting relegation with any of the following teams...

Bournemouth
Burnley
Hull
Middlesbrough
Southampton
Stoke
Sunderland
Swansea
Watford
West Brom
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 19, 2016, 01:45:47 PM: Quote from: Chris Jameson on July 19, 2016, 12:50:56 PM
Maybe we could sell Clark and Clarke to two clubs?

In a previous job I remember a lady expressing surprise when a colleague informed her what team he supported.

"Oh you support West Brom?" (confused look)

"Yeah..."

"But I thought you liked the Albion?"

I think maybe we should try to start a bidding war between the two clubs.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Gareth on July 19, 2016, 01:50:54 PM: Clark would have to ask himself whether he thinks he's a centre half or left back because he signs for Pulis he'll be played as left back in his usual four centre halves across the back.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: eamonn on July 19, 2016, 02:07:50 PM: Bridcutt...a name from the past always mangled by the still-missed Mark Fletcher, who when recommending we should sign him, fondly referred to the player as "Birdcunt".
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: phantom limb on July 19, 2016, 02:25:36 PM: I think there's something in this. It could well be part of Pulis's grand master plan, years in the making, to field a team comprised entirely of ok-ish centre halves.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on July 19, 2016, 02:37:05 PM: Quote from: phantom limb on July 19, 2016, 02:25:36 PM
I think there's something in this. It could well be part of Pulis's grand master plan, years in the making, to field a team comprised entirely of ok-ish centre halves.

He should have started earlier and sign Dublin, Sutton and Scimeca to play upfront
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: adrenachrome on July 19, 2016, 03:04:04 PM: pulse.com (http://pulse.com.gh/sports/jordan-ayew-hamburg-bid-8-million-for-aston-villa-striker-id5282282.html)

Quote
Hamburg bid £8 million for Aston Villa striker

The Ghana international has also been linked with a move to Bordeaux and Galatasaray following the Villains relegation from the top-flight last season.

Published: 31 minutes ago
Isaac Darko

German club Hamburg have submitted an £8 million offer for Aston Villa striker Jordan Ayew.

The Ghana international has been linked with a move to Bordeaux and Galatasaray following the Villains relegation from the top-flight last season.

Hamburg have now joined the race for the former Lorient striker's signature, as a bid of £8 million would allow Villa to recoup the money they paid for Ayew a year ago, and is generous considering the 24-year-old's goal return, which was slightly better than one every five matches last season.
Read more: Ghanaian forward scores and sets up winner for Aston Villa

Ayew was one of Aston Villa’s star performers in the Premier League last season, and it was widely expected that he would leave following their relegation.

He netted seven times in 30 appearances last term in the Premier League
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: chrisw1 on July 19, 2016, 03:28:10 PM: Quote from: adrenachrome on July 19, 2016, 03:04:04 PM
pulse.com (http://pulse.com.gh/sports/jordan-ayew-hamburg-bid-8-million-for-aston-villa-striker-id5282282.html)

Quote
Hamburg bid £8 million for Aston Villa striker

The Ghana international has also been linked with a move to Bordeaux and Galatasaray following the Villains relegation from the top-flight last season.

Published: 31 minutes ago
Isaac Darko

German club Hamburg have submitted an £8 million offer for Aston Villa striker Jordan Ayew.

The Ghana international has been linked with a move to Bordeaux and Galatasaray following the Villains relegation from the top-flight last season.

Hamburg have now joined the race for the former Lorient striker's signature, as a bid of £8 million would allow Villa to recoup the money they paid for Ayew a year ago, and is generous considering the 24-year-old's goal return, which was slightly better than one every five matches last season.
Read more: Ghanaian forward scores and sets up winner for Aston Villa

Ayew was one of Aston Villa’s star performers in the Premier League last season, and it was widely expected that he would leave following their relegation.

He netted seven times in 30 appearances last term in the Premier League

Ah bollocks. Wanted to keep him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 19, 2016, 03:30:59 PM: Hamburg are the German equivilant of us....just haven't got round to being relegated yet although they've given it a right good go over the last 3 seasons.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: AVH87 on July 19, 2016, 03:33:49 PM: Surely we'd expect a profit on him, rather than just recouping roughly the £8m we paid? A 1 in 4 goals to games ratio last season in our train wreck of a side was decent, plus his all-round game is pretty good, and he has a record of 12 goals in 37 internationals for Ghana. Ideally we'd keep him but if we have to sell I think we should hold out for well over £10m.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on July 19, 2016, 03:34:55 PM: Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 19, 2016, 01:23:13 PM
Is Clarkson better than Clarke? Discuss.

He's better than Richards/Lescott that's for sure
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Duncan Shaw on July 19, 2016, 03:37:56 PM: Quote from: KRS on July 19, 2016, 01:37:22 PM
If he does have a release clause and Baggies want to sign him then I'd have no issues with him going...at his best he is bang average, at his worst he is a complete liability. Baggies have a some what experienced but ageing defensive lineup, will be scrapping in the bottom half of the league again next season and fighting relegation with any of the following teams...

Bournemouth
Burnley
Hull
Middlesbrough
Southampton
Stoke
Sunderland
Swansea
Watford
West Brom

If Big Sam doesn't get the England job and is still at Sunderland then I think they'll be comfortably outside a relegation battle, but I agree with the others.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 19, 2016, 03:38:28 PM: Dear Hamburg,

Fuck off.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on July 19, 2016, 03:45:33 PM: If true than they can have him. Undoubtedly probably our best player last season but to be honest there was a flash of brilliance and a lot of mediocrity. I'd like him to stay but horses for courses this season adn I think Di Matteo and Clarke know what is needed, and who, to get us up.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 19, 2016, 03:49:08 PM: Quote from: cdbullyweefan on July 19, 2016, 03:38:28 PM
Dear Hamburg,

Fuck off.

Dr Xia said he's staying

Clark can go, I think Baker will do ok
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on July 19, 2016, 03:51:29 PM: Obviously we misunderstood. Both he and Ayew are going then. Well that was short-lived.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on July 19, 2016, 03:54:29 PM: Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on July 19, 2016, 03:49:08 PM
Quote from: cdbullyweefan on July 19, 2016, 03:38:28 PM
Dear Hamburg,

Fuck off.

Dr Xia said he's staying

Clark can go, I think Baker will do ok

I agree. An added bonus to his possible transfer is that we will not have to worry anymore about posters spelling his name correctly.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Duncan Shaw on July 19, 2016, 03:57:20 PM: Quote from: Ron Manager on July 19, 2016, 03:54:29 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on July 19, 2016, 03:49:08 PM
Quote from: cdbullyweefan on July 19, 2016, 03:38:28 PM
Dear Hamburg,

Fuck off.

Dr Xia said he's staying

Clark can go, I think Baker will do ok

I agree. An added bonus to his possible transfer is that we will not have to worry anymore about posters spelling his name correctly.

Who, Clerke or Ayou?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on July 19, 2016, 03:58:40 PM: (https://66.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ltufwdPEer1qc7o75o1_500.gif)
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: TelfordVilla on July 19, 2016, 06:39:36 PM: I am disappointed that Norwich signed the Northern Ireland goalkeeper on a free and we were not even mentioned as interested. I hope this Italian is a good deal better than he showed at Telford at the weekend.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KRS on July 19, 2016, 06:56:39 PM: What did he do wrong or badly at the Telford game? All I've heard is that we conceded from an unstoppable shot so not sure what else he could have done wrong. Was he flapping at crosses, spilling saves, taking poor goal kicks or something?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on July 19, 2016, 07:00:13 PM: Quote from: KRS on July 19, 2016, 06:56:39 PM
What did he do wrong or badly at the Telford game? All I've heard is that we conceded from an unstoppable shot so not sure what else he could have done wrong. Was he flapping at crosses, spilling saves, taking poor goal kicks or something?

Throwing gum at Elphick.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: TelfordVilla on July 19, 2016, 07:05:23 PM: The guy was 25 yards out, the keeper had a clear view of it and never even got near it, the early shot seemed to catch him unprepared. His feet were'nt set and it's not like it went in the top corner. Rimmer, Bosnich, Spink or James would have saved it. Granted Guzan wouldnt have bothered.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on July 19, 2016, 07:12:18 PM: Quote from: TelfordVilla on July 19, 2016, 07:05:23 PM
The guy was 25 yards out, the keeper had a clear view of it and never even got near it, the early shot seemed to catch him unprepared. His feet were'nt set and it's not like it went in the top corner. Rimmer, Bosnich, Spink or James would have saved it. Granted Guzan wouldnt have bothered.

I watched Spink train at Bodymoor shortly after he was signed. He didn't stop a single shot. I said to the bloke next to me: " I hope we never have to rely on that bloke". Hmmm.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Larry Duff on July 19, 2016, 07:28:14 PM: I couldn't offer any information on our new Italian Keeper after watching him on Saturday. Gordon Banks wouldn't have saved the shot, which was a wonder goal. The Telford Number 9 hit it sweetly and I think off the inside of the post.
He didn't have a proper shot to save or cross to claim in the rest of the game. He fielded a couple of through balls at the edge of his box and he used the ball quite well and actually hit a very good pass to Sulliman on about the half way line 15 minutes from the end.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 19, 2016, 07:29:56 PM: Quote from: TelfordVilla on July 19, 2016, 06:39:36 PM
I am disappointed that Norwich signed the Northern Ireland goalkeeper on a free and we were not even mentioned as interested. I hope this Italian is a good deal better than he showed at Telford at the weekend.

Even in the context of comical early judgements it seems a bit odd to be questioning him already. Also McGovern has done very little throughout his career and a few eye catching saves at the Euros don't change that.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 19, 2016, 07:30:32 PM: The one player who did impress was the Telford keeper.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KevinGage on July 19, 2016, 07:45:22 PM: If their interest is genuine, I wonder if ze Germans would be interested in a loan deal -which could be permanent of we don't secure promotion.

Realistically, Ayew is too good for the Championship (which is why I want him to stay). So he gets to still play at a high standard, we get a decent loan fee, and Hamburg only have a one year commitment, if it doesn't work out.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villafirst on July 19, 2016, 07:57:01 PM: Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on July 19, 2016, 03:49:08 PM
Quote from: cdbullyweefan on July 19, 2016, 03:38:28 PM
Dear Hamburg,

Fuck off.

Dr Xia said he's staying

Clark can go, I think Baker will do ok

Baker isn't good enough. How many chances do you give him?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villafirst on July 19, 2016, 08:12:00 PM: Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on July 19, 2016, 03:49:08 PM
Quote from: cdbullyweefan on July 19, 2016, 03:38:28 PM
Dear Hamburg,

Fuck off.

Dr Xia said he's staying

Clark can go, I think Baker will do ok

If Ayew has a release clause as is likely, then there's fuck all yhe club can do yo keep him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on July 19, 2016, 08:47:42 PM: Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on July 19, 2016, 03:49:08 PM
Quote from: cdbullyweefan on July 19, 2016, 03:38:28 PM
Dear Hamburg,

Fuck off.

Dr Xia said he's staying

Clark can goa, I think Baker will do ok

do ok as what?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mrbrightside on July 19, 2016, 08:54:32 PM: We definitely shouldn't let him go for a paltry £8million, unless he has a release clause and then there's nothing you can do.

The way I see it, we took a gamble on him and he has played reasonably well, in quite possibly the worst Villa team ever!

If we tried to replace him we would be looking at a lot more than £8million and even that would only buy you someone bang average like Rhodes.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: MoetVillan on July 19, 2016, 09:23:10 PM: Maybe it will start a bidding war
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 19, 2016, 09:24:56 PM: Baker and Clark need to leave, they have as much concentration as they do ability - not a lot.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Stirchley Villain on July 19, 2016, 09:33:32 PM: Quote from: N'ZMAV on July 19, 2016, 09:24:56 PM
Baker and Clark need to leave, they have as much concentration as they do ability - not a lot.

Do we have that luxury? If Elphick and Okore are our first choice, it's between Richards, Lescott or Toner to cover. I'd get rid of Richards and Lescott if only to lessen the wage bill. That would leave Clark, Baker and Toner as cover. If we sign another CB then we could rethink.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 19, 2016, 09:38:20 PM: Yes, sell them asap and replace them with something different.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Grande Pablo on July 19, 2016, 09:50:54 PM: Quote from: adrenachrome on July 19, 2016, 03:04:04 PM
pulse.com (http://pulse.com.gh/sports/jordan-ayew-hamburg-bid-8-million-for-aston-villa-striker-id5282282.html)

Quote
Hamburg bid £8 million for Aston Villa striker

The Ghana international has also been linked with a move to Bordeaux and Galatasaray following the Villains relegation from the top-flight last season.

Published: 31 minutes ago
Isaac Darko

If that's Donnie's brother, it's bullshit.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on July 19, 2016, 09:56:14 PM: Maybe he had a premier league club release clause. Or maybe he doesn't have one. It's not been reported he has like Gana has four example. Our maybe he wants to stay.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Des Little on July 19, 2016, 10:11:42 PM: Percy tweeting that Guzan can go on a free to Boro. Let's see his approach to the Holte in the friendly..it was bad enough when he was in our shirt!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 19, 2016, 10:22:42 PM: May be in the minority but I wish him well.

Served us for 8 years. I know the last two his standards dropped considerably.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Des Little on July 19, 2016, 10:29:03 PM: The last two were spent taking the piss and playing his part in the most poisonous dressing room we've probably ever had. For that reason he gets zero well wishes from me.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on July 19, 2016, 10:29:18 PM: Quote from: SoccerHQ on July 19, 2016, 10:22:42 PM
May be in the minority but I wish him well.

Served us for 8 years. I know the last two his standards dropped considerably.

Same here, the Wycombe incident was an appalling lack of judgement but I can't single him out for not being up to the job, he was one of many.

Edit: On reflection that is far too generous, I'd not give him any more stick than any of the other arseholes involved with last season were he to come back to us with another club.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 19, 2016, 10:48:11 PM: Quote from: Des Little on July 19, 2016, 10:29:03 PM
The last two were spent taking the piss and playing his part in the most poisonous dressing room we've probably ever had. For that reason he gets zero well wishes from me.

He was never unfit to play unlike Gabby.

And at least he's giving us some good performances down the years....I'm still waiting for something like that from Richards.

So I don't quite lump him in with those lot.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Des Little on July 19, 2016, 10:51:04 PM: I think we are talking about varying shades of shit here. I just want them (and we know who) gone. And quickly.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: OCD on July 20, 2016, 12:09:48 AM: Quote from: SoccerHQ on July 19, 2016, 10:22:42 PM
May be in the minority but I wish him well.

Served us for 8 years. I know the last two his standards dropped considerably.

Me too. Last season the leadership from the top was appalling and it filtered down throughout the rest of the club and affected most. For the majority of his Villa career before then he was a good servant and without his saves against QPR and others, we would have gone down a lot sooner.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt C on July 20, 2016, 12:14:20 AM: Guzan is one of a few who I doubt are poisonous but whom have been around too long through successions of insipid awfulness. He needs a move as much for his own good as ours.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: eamonn on July 20, 2016, 02:15:53 AM: Yes but on a free? USA first choice keeper, plenty of time left on his contract. Boro are awash with PL riches, let's name our price.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 20, 2016, 05:34:58 AM: I'm pretty sure he only has a year left on his contract, and we currently have 4 keepers in the squad so need to shift at least one of them. As it's probably best for us and him that he leaves it's not the worst decision ever to let him go on a free to save on his wages for a year.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KRS on July 20, 2016, 05:44:46 AM: According to Wiki, he is now in the last year of his contract and he's probably on £25-30k/week:
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On July 6, 2013, Guzan was rewarded for his play and signed a four-year contract extension with the Midlands club.[23]

On July 18, 2013, Guzan stated that he hoped to give Aston Villa the best years of his career and said that signing a new contract was a "no-brainer."
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on July 20, 2016, 06:48:03 AM: Quote from: Des Little on July 19, 2016, 10:29:03 PM
The last two were spent taking the piss and playing his part in the most poisonous dressing room we've probably ever had. For that reason he gets zero well wishes from me.

this

going to boro as third choice is about his level
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: andyh on July 20, 2016, 06:51:54 AM: If (yes, I know) but if Twitter rumours are to be believed then we are on the verge of getting rid of Guzan, Sinclair and Richards.
Things are looking up.

Just Flabby, Lescott and Bacuna left to get shut of!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sid1964 on July 20, 2016, 06:59:39 AM: Lets hope that we start to get rid of the toxic gang and quick!

I would rather the likes of Gardner etc... be given a chance than watch that lot pretending too care about the club.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KRS on July 20, 2016, 07:15:17 AM: Quote from: andyh on July 20, 2016, 06:51:54 AM
If (yes, I know) but if Twitter rumours are to be believed then we are on the verge of getting rid of Guzan, Sinclair and Richards.
Things are looking up.

Just Flabby, Lescott and Bacuna left to get shut of!
It looks like we could potentially add Gana, Sanchez and Veretout to that list if the transfer speculation materialises. Apparently we want to keep Clark and Ayew so approaches for those two could be declined if they don't have release clauses.

Guzan
Richards
Sinclair
Gana
Sanchez
Veretout

...even if just those 6 go then it will generate a reasonable amount to the transfer budget (approx £20-25m) and available funds for wages.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 20, 2016, 08:27:24 AM: Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on July 19, 2016, 08:47:42 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on July 19, 2016, 03:49:08 PM
Quote from: cdbullyweefan on July 19, 2016, 03:38:28 PM
Dear Hamburg,

Fuck off.

Dr Xia said he's staying

Clark can goa, I think Baker will do ok

do ok as what?

From what I've heard he did very well at Bristol and a lot wanted him back. I think he'd be fine at that level he's a powerful centre half it's just his concentration that can let him down.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 20, 2016, 08:28:32 AM: And his passing
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Mister E on July 20, 2016, 08:54:29 AM: And his fitness ....

... But apart from those three things .....
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: old man villa fan on July 20, 2016, 09:19:08 AM: And his positioning and reading of the game. Other than that............
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on July 20, 2016, 09:38:11 AM: And he moves like a tugboat.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 20, 2016, 09:41:27 AM: I'd imagine he'd be at best 3rd choice, and more likely 4th choice CB for which he is fine. How many clubs in this division will have a better 3rd or 4th choice than Baker?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mattjpa on July 20, 2016, 10:21:59 AM: Ive said this about a couple of others as well, but lets see what they are like in 6months time after working in a good set up under good coaching staff and fitness technicians before we slaughter them. Baker at least seems to have the right attitude and the right physical abilities.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on July 20, 2016, 10:35:52 AM: Quote from: Villafirst on July 19, 2016, 08:12:00 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on July 19, 2016, 03:49:08 PM
Quote from: cdbullyweefan on July 19, 2016, 03:38:28 PM
Dear Hamburg,

Fuck off.

Dr Xia said he's staying

Clark can go, I think Baker will do ok

If Ayew has a release clause as is likely, then there's fuck all yhe club can do yo keep him.

The player can reject the move. Jamie vardy for example arsenal
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 20, 2016, 10:36:17 AM: Quote from: Mister E on July 20, 2016, 08:54:29 AM
And his fitness ....

... But apart from those three things .....

i was at telford, he's really trimmed down, I was quite impressed with him and Elphick as a back two
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on July 20, 2016, 10:37:12 AM: Quote from: Matt C on July 20, 2016, 12:14:20 AM
Guzan is one of a few who I doubt are poisonous but whom have been around too long through successions of insipid awfulness. He needs a move as much for his own good as ours.

Exactly my thinking move on has his time but became stale and complacent best all parties he leaves
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on July 20, 2016, 10:42:12 AM: If these 6 are leaving :
Guzan
Richards
Sinclair
Gana
Sanchez
Veretout

And add Lescott Bacuna Agbonlahor (maybe ayew, Westwood and Clark with teams interested ) that is a superb amount of players out -12 ! I don't think that is going to happen. It would be too much wouldn't it???

Fwiw I can see agbonlahor staying merely as no takers the rest could leave it deals right but may have to stay due to too many players leaving

That said all those players out would be a 'complete overhaul'
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: dave shelley on July 20, 2016, 10:56:45 AM: You're all forgetting Baker's fifty pence head.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: LeeB on July 20, 2016, 11:01:24 AM: Quote from: dave shelley on July 20, 2016, 10:56:45 AM
You're all forgetting Baker's fifty pence head.

Yes, it's like Kryton's from Red Dwarf
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on July 20, 2016, 11:12:06 AM: Quote from: dave shelley on July 20, 2016, 10:56:45 AM
You're all forgetting Baker's fifty pence head.
Which one dave, the one on his neck or the two where his feet should be?
;-)
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: chrisf on July 20, 2016, 11:20:45 AM: Quote from: dave shelley on July 20, 2016, 10:56:45 AM
You're all forgetting Baker's fifty pence head.
... and the fact that he gets 'injured' at every other corner ... and it's not the fact that he can't pass so much as the fact he can't kick a ball.

Nice lad but comfortably the worst footballer in the squad.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on July 20, 2016, 11:23:16 AM: I think there is enough with Baker to keep him unless someone offered 5 or 6 million for him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Chris Smith on July 20, 2016, 11:44:54 AM: If Baker is a regular starter for us this season I will be worried and surely he is at a stage in his career where needs first team football.

As we need to trim the squad then one to let go if anyone wants him
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: bones. on July 20, 2016, 12:01:53 PM: I work with Bristol City fans and they are hoping we don't take Baker back, last season they all expected to go down and were on their way, what changed it for them was their improved defence with Baker in it, which may mean they were really really shit before and just less so after or maybe he's just better in the championship than we remember him being in the premier league. Good enough at least.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on July 20, 2016, 12:15:02 PM: Baker's a perfectly able Championship defender for me, as is Clark. Fine back up for Okore/Elphick
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sid1964 on July 20, 2016, 12:25:06 PM: IF we got offered £5-6 million pounds for Baker, I would snap there hands off

I would not be surprised to see him go out on loan again at some point this season
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 20, 2016, 12:26:50 PM: surely you mean £500-600,000? I know the heat does funny things to people but it doesn't inflate bakers value to that sort of level.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Brend'Watkins on July 20, 2016, 12:36:08 PM: Baker is worth 5 - 6 million Italian Lira but not nearly as useful. You could get a half decent fire going with that amount of notes.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulTheVillan on July 20, 2016, 12:50:21 PM: I'd happy see the back of every single player who put on our shirt last season with the exception of Ayew. Even though that elbow at West Ham was ridiculous.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: robbo1874 on July 20, 2016, 01:38:36 PM: As SirLordBaltimore said above, I'd keep both Baker and Clark if possible as back up for Okore and Elphick. Both decent players and should be Bettwr than OK in the championship.

I'd like to see us try 3 CBs with two wing backs to get balls in for Gestede / Kozak. Not saying we should necessarily adopt the formation, but just give it a try and see how it works before the season starts. Give maybe Bennett / Amavi and Bacuna licence to get forward down the wings. I realise it's a bit outdated these days, but gives us another option.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on July 20, 2016, 01:42:21 PM: I quite like Baker, he'd be ideal for this division.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 20, 2016, 02:02:49 PM: according to reports we have submitted a bid for Kodjia
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 20, 2016, 02:03:28 PM: Who?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: godzvilla on July 20, 2016, 02:04:45 PM: Back to rumours ´proper´, Get Football News France ( http://www.getfootballnewsfrance.com/) are reporting this :

Aston Villa submit bid for Jonathan Kodjia.
Championship side Aston Villa have submitted a formal offer to Bristol City for striker Jonathan Kodjia, according to our colleagues at France Football.

Kodjia joined Bristol City from Angers last summer.

Derby County, Stoke, Sunderland and Villarreal are also all very interested in the Ivorian international, with the latter side having scouted him extensively at Angers and again last season at Bristol City.

..................................could be a good signing, the only drawback is that he would probably be away for 4 weeks or so in Jan/ Feb 2017, for Africans Nations Cup ( along with a few others !) .............Godzvilla!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KRS on July 20, 2016, 02:44:51 PM: According to Wiki (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Kodjia) he already plays for us...
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Jonathan Kodjia (born 22 October 1989) is a French-born Ivorian footballer who plays for English club Aston Villa as a forward.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on July 20, 2016, 02:47:55 PM: Anonymous update on Wiki
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KRS on July 20, 2016, 02:52:02 PM: Potentially a better option than Gestede as it looks like he knows where the goal is...
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Edvard Remberg on July 20, 2016, 03:00:28 PM: Quote from: KRS on July 20, 2016, 02:52:02 PM
Potentially a better option than Gestede as it looks like he knows where the goal is...

Stay clear - he is a slow healer. His hand had a bandage for all the goals, which I guess were spread over a season :D
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: LeeB on July 20, 2016, 03:02:12 PM: Quote from: Edvard Remberg on July 20, 2016, 03:00:28 PM
Quote from: KRS on July 20, 2016, 02:52:02 PM
Potentially a better option than Gestede as it looks like he knows where the goal is...

Stay clear - he is a slow healer. His hand had a bandage for all the goals, which I guess were spread over a season :D

It worked for Jamie Vardy
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on July 20, 2016, 03:09:29 PM: Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on July 20, 2016, 12:15:02 PM

Baker's a perfectly able Championship defender for me, as is Clark. Fine back up for Okore/Elphick

This.

If Baker and Clark could cut out the odd silly mistake they'd be good PL defenders. As it is they should be comfortably good enough for the Championship.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on July 20, 2016, 03:09:42 PM: I'd be happy with this, if it happened

As long as it's to play alongside Ayew not replace him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 20, 2016, 03:16:41 PM: Ayew aside he's a hell of lot more mobile than any of our current senior forward options. Big and strong and scored some very good goals
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Axl Rose on July 20, 2016, 03:25:14 PM: Good player. Sign him up.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: eamonn on July 20, 2016, 03:38:18 PM: I hope we give our young Ian Rush a chance this season. I think he's one of the early ones to impress Di Matteo.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: chrisw1 on July 20, 2016, 03:42:58 PM: Quote from: Edvard Remberg on July 20, 2016, 03:00:28 PM
Quote from: KRS on July 20, 2016, 02:52:02 PM
Potentially a better option than Gestede as it looks like he knows where the goal is...

Stay clear - he is a slow healer. His hand had a bandage for all the goals, which I guess were spread over a season :D

Fan of Keith Lemon?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Brend'Watkins on July 20, 2016, 03:43:06 PM: Kodjia alongside Ayew could get us 40 goals between them.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 20, 2016, 04:13:06 PM: Lots of different goals in fairness but I remember seeing the Gestede (who I like BTW) and he looked a class act on YT

Montages don't tell you everything as we know
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Brend'Watkins on July 20, 2016, 04:28:15 PM: Well, that montage shows me that he can tap in goals and is prone to the odd scruffy goal. A player who can get scruffy goals is to be admired.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on July 20, 2016, 04:35:15 PM: Quote from: Bren'd on July 20, 2016, 03:43:06 PM
Kodjia alongside Ayew could get us 40 goals between them.

I'm not sure i'd go that far
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Brend'Watkins on July 20, 2016, 04:53:12 PM: Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on July 20, 2016, 04:35:15 PM
Quote from: Bren'd on July 20, 2016, 03:43:06 PM
Kodjia alongside Ayew could get us 40 goals between them.

I'm not sure i'd go that far

Why not? Kodjia managed 20 with Bristol City last season why wouldn't he do the same for us? We know Ayew has the ability at the top level so he should be able to clean up in this division.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on July 20, 2016, 04:59:53 PM: We'll be playing in a league where Scott Sinclair, Rudy Gestede and Cameron Jerome are twenty goal a season players.

I don't think there is any forward anywhere that I would be hugely surprised if they scored a bucketload.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cheltenhamlion on July 20, 2016, 05:20:38 PM: Not for me. Not for any sensible reason. Just because he wears a silly bandage like Vardy. And Vardy is a massive cock.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on July 20, 2016, 05:35:15 PM: Not for me either, compilation looks crap.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tuscans on July 20, 2016, 05:39:28 PM: Quote from: Dave on July 20, 2016, 04:59:53 PM
We'll be playing in a league where Scott Sinclair, Rudy Gestede and Cameron Jerome are twenty goal a season players.

I don't think there is any forward anywhere that I would be hugely surprised if they scored a bucketload.
(http://www.liverpoolway.co.uk/classic/roundups/agbonlahor.jpg)
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KevinGage on July 20, 2016, 05:40:14 PM: Worst youtube music ever.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tuscans on July 20, 2016, 05:43:27 PM: Quote from: KevinGage on July 20, 2016, 05:40:14 PM
Worst youtube music ever.
That's Championship music.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on July 20, 2016, 07:19:23 PM: Encouraging and would mean we have a few options up front. I would still prefer to see us play with a lone striker and then a three of Ayew, Grealish, Traore / Sinclair / Green behind. Gestede could be used as an option to come on in the latter stages if needed.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 20, 2016, 07:26:31 PM: the bid for Kodjia has been turned down
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 20, 2016, 07:29:06 PM: Yep it's the game. And he player apparently wants to join us so you know how this will likely end up. Selling club stiffens it's back, grabs another £1/2m-1m or so, everyone leaves the table happy. He'll be a Villa player next week.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on July 20, 2016, 07:41:01 PM: You don't bother making a bid unless the player has indicated he'd like to come.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 20, 2016, 08:48:04 PM: Carles Gil is joining Deportivo.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on July 20, 2016, 08:53:41 PM: Quote from: N'ZMAV on July 20, 2016, 08:48:04 PM
Carles Gil is joining Deportivo.

according to wiki on loan.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Stirchley Villain on July 20, 2016, 08:58:55 PM: Quote from: N'ZMAV on July 20, 2016, 08:48:04 PM
Carles Gil is joining Deportivo.

Never a good fit for us.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: andyh on July 20, 2016, 08:59:58 PM: a bit disappointed Gil has gone.
There are bigger priorities than losing him, right now.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on July 20, 2016, 09:02:06 PM: I always felt he was too lightweight for English football.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KRS on July 20, 2016, 09:03:33 PM: Still 3 years left on his contract so if he's not in RDMs plans then it makes sense to loan him out and try to recover some of his £3.5m transfer fee. A very tidy player at times but we need a team of fighters that can play AND tackle to get out of the Championship.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on July 20, 2016, 09:04:53 PM: Quote from: Ads on July 20, 2016, 09:02:06 PM
I always felt he was too lightweight for English football.

this

good on the ball but far too slow
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on July 20, 2016, 09:05:35 PM: Quote from: Ads on July 20, 2016, 09:02:06 PM
I always felt he was too lightweight for English football.

I think we are all in agreement with you. Another Stephen Cooke.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KRS on July 20, 2016, 09:06:53 PM: Quote from: andyh on July 20, 2016, 08:59:58 PM
a bit disappointed Gil has gone.
There are bigger priorities than losing him, right now.
RDM has made it pretty clear that reducing the size of the squad and wage bill is a priority right now so this is very understandable if it helps path the way for new signings that will contribute more to the team.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: garyshawsknee on July 20, 2016, 09:08:15 PM: Very tidy player, good touch, but lacks that turn of speed over 10 yards and is too light weight. Shame it didn't work out for him, scored our two best goals last season ( though very little competition )
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on July 20, 2016, 09:15:56 PM: Didn't Dr Tony mention something about an attacking midfielder coming in? Maybe Gil's making way for him. I liked Gil but like Sanchez, i'm not sure if this country's football suited him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: andyh on July 20, 2016, 09:17:29 PM: Quote from: KRS on July 20, 2016, 09:06:53 PM
Quote from: andyh on July 20, 2016, 08:59:58 PM
a bit disappointed Gil has gone.
There are bigger priorities than losing him, right now.
RDM has made it pretty clear that reducing the size of the squad and wage bill is a priority right now so this is very understandable if it helps path the way for new signings that will contribute more to the team.
Oh, I agree and understand.
I just hope we are not letting anyone go just to get the numbers down.
Yes, he is/was lightweight, but he can play, and isn't a total wastrel like a lot of others we all want to see gone.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: dave shelley on July 20, 2016, 09:47:36 PM: Sorry if already posted but, I've just noticed this:

Agreement between Aston Villa & Marseille for Carlos Sanchez, player has yet to discuss personal terms - L'Équipe

Link (https://www.facebook.com/QualityTransferNews/)
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Richard E on July 20, 2016, 09:52:17 PM: Quote from: dave shelley on July 20, 2016, 09:47:36 PM
Sorry if already posted but, I've just noticed this:

Agreement between Aston Villa & Marseille for Carlos Sanchez, player has yet to discuss personal terms - L'Équipe

Link (https://www.facebook.com/QualityTransferNews/)

A little bit of a shame. At the beginning of last season I thought we might be shaping up to finally see the best of him but then it never really happened.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: olaftab on July 20, 2016, 09:55:17 PM: I will be sorry to see Sanchez go.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oldham_villa on July 20, 2016, 09:55:30 PM: I was looking forward to seeing Gill develop, but for me he became an all fart no shit type of player. Pushed off the ball far too easy too.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: olaftab on July 20, 2016, 09:56:10 PM: Quote from: andyh on July 20, 2016, 08:59:58 PM
a bit disappointed Gil has gone.
There are bigger priorities than losing him, right now.
Yes. He could be a cracking player.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KRS on July 20, 2016, 09:56:38 PM: Quote from: olaftab on July 20, 2016, 09:55:17 PM
I will be sorry to see Sanchez go.
I won't. One of the worst players I've ever seen in a Villa shirt. Bag of shite.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Richard E on July 20, 2016, 09:57:31 PM: Quote from: oldham_villa on July 20, 2016, 09:55:30 PM
I was looking forward to seeing Gill develop, but for me he became an all fart no shit type of player. Pushed off the ball far too easy too.

Probably a great player to have when you're 3-0 up and you can showboat. But we're never 3-0 up.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oldham_villa on July 20, 2016, 10:01:41 PM: lol, i've forgotten the feeling, Richard :-/
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Des Little on July 20, 2016, 10:03:47 PM: I'm just pleased we've found takers for these players. Let's face it, their stock isn't exactly high right now is it?
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Post by: Grande Pablo on July 20, 2016, 10:09:37 PM: Sanchez never passed to one of his own men once. Nice hair, but thanks for very little.
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Post by: Grande Pablo on July 20, 2016, 10:15:34 PM: Gil move in Marca
http://www.marca.com/futbol/deportivo/2016/07/20/578f989fe2704e0b508b45f1.html

Translated by Google:
El Deportivo and has tied his third offensive player. After almost close Marlos arrivals Moreno and Florin Andone, the technical secretariat of the club opted for Carles Gil. The player arrives on loan from Aston Villa and Deportivo reserves a purchase option.Before reaching the coruñés club, Carles Gil was formed in the quarry of Valencia, the club where he remained until 2012, year in which he went to Elche. After a brief return to Mestalla and a fleeting step by Aston Villa, arrives at Deportivo.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on July 20, 2016, 10:17:32 PM: Gil, Veretout, Sanchez, Guzan, Sinclair potentially away then. Light in midfield unless we keep hold of Gana.
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Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 20, 2016, 10:28:43 PM: According to Bristol City no offers for the forward
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Post by: Ads on July 20, 2016, 10:39:29 PM: Player has linked an article on our interest on his Facebook page.

Guy seems to be more mobile than most of what we've got, scored a lot of goals and isn't unreasonable at £10 million. Worth a punt.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 20, 2016, 10:44:06 PM: Quote from: Newby on July 20, 2016, 10:17:32 PM
Gil, Veretout, Sanchez, Guzan, Sinclair potentially away then. Light in midfield unless we keep hold of Gana.

Indeed. I'm concerned about the way the outgoing / incoming balance is looking and the general quality so far. Still relatively early days, though, so here's hoping we do some decent business.
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Post by: Risso on July 20, 2016, 10:56:30 PM: Gil was rubbish. No loss at all.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on July 20, 2016, 11:12:15 PM: I'm not arsed about any of those names.
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Post by: tomd2103 on July 21, 2016, 12:07:42 AM: Quote from: Ads on July 20, 2016, 11:12:15 PM
I'm not arsed about any of those names.

The only one I would be a little disappointed about would be Veretout as I see some potential in him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: saunders_heroes on July 21, 2016, 12:12:40 AM: Quote from: Ads on July 20, 2016, 11:12:15 PM
I'm not arsed about any of those names.

Same here. The lot of them were shit. Be gone with them!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on July 21, 2016, 12:36:17 AM: Veretout could cross a ball and play a pass, so has potential, and may still have as he is pretty young. Build his confidence back up in France and see what gives next summer.

I would definitely take Bridcutt with the number leaving though, as it would give us a known performer in this league with Tshibola who is young and injury prone. We are worryingly light of midfield quality. If Sinclair goes too, we need at least a striker and a winger.

Big 3-4 weeks.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: TonyD on July 21, 2016, 12:40:29 AM: Seeing tonight, we need to ship out and buy quickly or we will struggle to stay even in this league.
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Post by: Pete3206 on July 21, 2016, 01:11:44 AM: Quote from: olaftab on July 20, 2016, 09:55:17 PM
I will be sorry to see Sanchez go.

Pardon?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on July 21, 2016, 06:44:51 AM: The departure of Sanchez will save us a minimum of ten goals a season conceded.
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Post by: andyh on July 21, 2016, 07:27:15 AM: Wolves takeover by Chinese conglomerate confirmed this morning.
Could mean interesting times ahead.
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Post by: Matt Collins on July 21, 2016, 07:35:07 AM: I don't disagree with the mass exodus and restructuring

But it's hard to see us sorting this all out in time to put in a serious push for the top two this season. There's so much to do.

I'd take a stable start to the season. We definitely need another wide midfield option and a striker. Possibly another central midfielder too, depending on whether Westwood goes
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on July 21, 2016, 07:44:47 AM: After the pomp and ceremony of seeing a new owner and manager coming in, realisation is dawning. The squad really is quite shit other than those recently purchased (we hope). So much work to do. If we can keep Amavi, Ayew and Gueye it might help. Adding in Grealish to those we have signed and we have three quarters of a side. Lacking in fire power and creativity though. Only two weeks to go but I guess we have the whole of August too.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on July 21, 2016, 07:47:16 AM: Quote from: andyh on July 21, 2016, 07:27:15 AM
Wolves takeover by Chinese conglomerate confirmed this morning.
Could mean interesting times ahead.
Probably means No Jackett required.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Bestmate on July 21, 2016, 07:56:46 AM: It was probably our owners intention to create a feeder club within the west midlands area.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Bestmate on July 21, 2016, 07:59:29 AM: Just read on HITC that Ravel Morrison's odds have been cut to 4/6 to join our club. Undoubtedly talented but are we as yet in a position to take on this care in the community case considering the ongoing redevelopment of the squad?!!
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Post by: PaulWinch again on July 21, 2016, 08:32:23 AM: Veretout has plenty of potential and we should keep hold of him.
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Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 21, 2016, 08:55:20 AM: Quote from: Bestmate on July 21, 2016, 07:59:29 AM
Just read on HITC that Ravel Morrison's odds have been cut to 4/6 to join our club. Undoubtedly talented but are we as yet in a position to take on this care in the community case considering the ongoing redevelopment of the squad?!!

My brother said he'd heard we were in for him
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Diablo on July 21, 2016, 09:17:49 AM: Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on July 21, 2016, 08:55:20 AM
Quote from: Bestmate on July 21, 2016, 07:59:29 AM
Just read on HITC that Ravel Morrison's odds have been cut to 4/6 to join our club. Undoubtedly talented but are we as yet in a position to take on this care in the community case considering the ongoing redevelopment of the squad?!!

My brother said he'd heard we were in for him

Guy has skill (and baggage) by the bucket load! On his game he would be a master stroke. Off it - add to the list of disaster signings. To be fair if he didn't have the undoubted risk attached we'd have no chance of signing him so...
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on July 21, 2016, 10:17:55 AM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 21, 2016, 08:32:23 AM
Veretout has plenty of potential and we should keep hold of him.

He hasn't shown it though.

We carried too many passengers and our midfield is especially vanilla.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on July 21, 2016, 10:26:44 AM: I think we need a mobile centre forward in before we play Wednesday.

I know others have said Tish' is a speculative purchase ala Westwood, Bennett etc, but 2nd Division outfits don't spend £5 million of long shots. I think his physicality will be very useful against the backdrop of bits and pieces, neat a tidy players who've stunk out our midfield for seasons.

Sanchez is going and he's no great loss. The English game didn't suit him and he was worse than Gavin McCann for his second touch being a tackle. Gil lacked the pace and physical presence to have a meaningful impact on the game. Far too one footed and despite having clear ability, wasn't suited to us.

Veretout may well have a lot of promise, but he didn't show it for whatever reason and you cannot miss what isn't there.

This leaves at present Westwood, Gana, Tish' and Gardner. I think we need some more legs and creativity in there, but its got to be up front where we supplement before 7th August.

There's no point in Ayew drifting deep and looking busy with Grealish if there's nobody playing off the shoulder or capable of doing damage running in behind. Those two players make space by their ability, but we've got nobody quick enough or good enough to exploit it.

Hopefully now the bloated squad is getting a well deserved prune, we'll see some more faces coming in.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Gareth on July 21, 2016, 10:27:25 AM: Quote from: Matt C on July 20, 2016, 12:14:20 AM
Guzan is one of a few who I doubt are poisonous but whom have been around too long through successions of insipid awfulness. He needs a move as much for his own good as ours.

Nail on head! See also Westwood / Clark / Baker
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: old man villa fan on July 21, 2016, 10:37:42 AM: Quote from: Ads on July 21, 2016, 10:17:55 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 21, 2016, 08:32:23 AM
Veretout has plenty of potential and we should keep hold of him.

He hasn't shown it though.

We carried too many passengers and our midfield is especially vanilla.

He was the only player I saw last season that could spot and play the early ball to release the forward players. Also, his deadball accuracy was better than others as well.

His problems last season centred around lack of consistency and confidence, not being up to the pace of the PL, not being given a consistent run in the team and injuries.

The time when he did show his abilities was when Garde came in and showed some faith in him. I think we would be better keeping him than loaning him out and letting him develop in our team at a level less demanding than last season. We have never succeeded in loaning players out. They just seem to disappear and lose value (a few exceptions being younger players).
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Post by: passitsideways on July 21, 2016, 11:00:51 AM: Quote from: Ads on July 21, 2016, 10:26:44 AM
Veretout may well have a lot of promise, but he didn't show it for whatever reason and you cannot miss what isn't there.

That's only a matter of framing though. Equally, you can look at it as a potential upgrade which you didn't have to spend any money on, in circumstances when you need the money to fill all kinds of other holes.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: chrisw1 on July 21, 2016, 11:11:56 AM: Got to be honest I thought Tony would throw he weight around a bit more in the transfer market. I appreciate there's some time to go, but the activity so far is very modest. I think if Randy was still in charge he would be getting pelters by now.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: itbrvilla on July 21, 2016, 11:24:10 AM: Quote from: chrisw1 on July 21, 2016, 11:11:56 AM
Got to be honest I thought Tony would throw he weight around a bit more in the transfer market. I appreciate there's some time to go, but the activity so far is very modest. I think if Randy was still in charge he would be getting pelters by now.
How I feel. They squad is full of losers. We needed a cull but that hasn't happened. We need more fresh blood and not from other loser clubs.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on July 21, 2016, 11:28:53 AM: Quote from: chrisw1 on July 21, 2016, 11:11:56 AM
Got to be honest I thought Tony would throw he weight around a bit more in the transfer market. I appreciate there's some time to go, but the activity so far is very modest. I think if Randy was still in charge he would be getting pelters by now.

Blimey, is that the first moan at Dr Tony already? It's not always about throwing his weight around, it's about who the manager wants and if they're available. I think three in so far is fine.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: avfcpg on July 21, 2016, 11:34:46 AM: Quote from: Clampy on July 21, 2016, 11:28:53 AM
Quote from: chrisw1 on July 21, 2016, 11:11:56 AM
Got to be honest I thought Tony would throw he weight around a bit more in the transfer market. I appreciate there's some time to go, but the activity so far is very modest. I think if Randy was still in charge he would be getting pelters by now.

Blimey, is that the first moan at Dr Tony already? It's not always about throwing his weight around, it's about who the manager wants and if they're available. I think three in so far is fine.

Agree totally. RDM needed to look at the squad, get a few off the books and see what was needed. It's happening but will take time and a few out and a few in already is fine. More will come and go in the next 6 weeks. Money speaks a lot louder when you are in the Prem when attracting players, so it's not just about chucking wads of cash about in this league.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on July 21, 2016, 11:35:32 AM: Quote from: Clampy on July 21, 2016, 11:28:53 AM
Quote from: chrisw1 on July 21, 2016, 11:11:56 AM
Got to be honest I thought Tony would throw he weight around a bit more in the transfer market. I appreciate there's some time to go, but the activity so far is very modest. I think if Randy was still in charge he would be getting pelters by now.

Blimey, is that the first moan at Dr Tony already? It's not always about throwing his weight around, it's about who the manager wants and if they're available. I think three in so far is fine.
And if anything I think it's RDM who seems to want to focus a little more on shifting players in the next few weeks, rather than buying. He'll undoubtedly still be looking and working on getting players in, but he must be working double time to try and shift the vast amounts of shit we still have. You'd have better lucky selling turds from an ice-cream van than shipping out half these assholes.

A striker is likely to be our next target. I don't think we'll let Ayew go until we've done our business there. That said, if it's a straight choice between keeping Ayew or signing a new frontman, I'd keep Ayew. He'd be hands down the best player in the division IMO. Given service, Kozak and Gestede will score plenty in the champ too.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Gareth on July 21, 2016, 11:41:18 AM: Quote from: itbrvilla on July 21, 2016, 11:24:10 AM
Quote from: chrisw1 on July 21, 2016, 11:11:56 AM
Got to be honest I thought Tony would throw he weight around a bit more in the transfer market. I appreciate there's some time to go, but the activity so far is very modest. I think if Randy was still in charge he would be getting pelters by now.
How I feel. They squad is full of losers. We needed a cull but that hasn't happened. We need more fresh blood and not from other loser clubs.

If Randy was in charge he would be getting pelters but he isn't - a new owner, board & management have to go about their business calmly - panicking over 2 weeks before the season starts and 6 weeks before the transfer deadline is not the way. I can't see contracts being paid up so we have to find buyers for the players which it seems is happening (Gil, Guzan etc). If we sell 8 & buy 3 more (that RDM wants) before the deadline that will be good work. Keep Calm!
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Post by: Ads on July 21, 2016, 12:49:17 PM: Quote from: chrisw1 on July 21, 2016, 11:11:56 AM
Got to be honest I thought Tony would throw he weight around a bit more in the transfer market. I appreciate there's some time to go, but the activity so far is very modest. I think if Randy was still in charge he would be getting pelters by now.

We're the biggest gross spenders in the league.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: chrisw1 on July 21, 2016, 12:56:06 PM: Quote from: Clampy on July 21, 2016, 11:28:53 AM
Quote from: chrisw1 on July 21, 2016, 11:11:56 AM
Got to be honest I thought Tony would throw he weight around a bit more in the transfer market. I appreciate there's some time to go, but the activity so far is very modest. I think if Randy was still in charge he would be getting pelters by now.

Blimey, is that the first moan at Dr Tony already? It's not always about throwing his weight around, it's about who the manager wants and if they're available. I think three in so far is fine.
Call it a moan if you want. I guess I just thought that if he has as deep pockets as we hoped he may have made more of a statement in the transfer market. Our signing seem decent, but with 2 weeks until KO our squad seems very limited to me. It's not about panicking, it's just we've been more modest than I hoped we'd be with the stated lofty ambitions. I don't think that's an unreasonable comment.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 21, 2016, 01:02:02 PM: Quote from: Ads on July 21, 2016, 12:49:17 PM
Quote from: chrisw1 on July 21, 2016, 11:11:56 AM
Got to be honest I thought Tony would throw he weight around a bit more in the transfer market. I appreciate there's some time to go, but the activity so far is very modest. I think if Randy was still in charge he would be getting pelters by now.

We're the biggest gross spenders in the league.

Is that published anywhere?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on July 21, 2016, 01:03:35 PM: I'm with Chris, all very underwhelming so far. Let's not forget just how poor we have been for the last 5 years culminating in last seasons surrender from competing.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on July 21, 2016, 01:10:18 PM: Quote from: chrisw1 on July 21, 2016, 12:56:06 PM
I guess I just thought that if he has as deep pockets as we hoped he may have made more of a statement in the transfer market

You still have to remember we're in the championship. No player that could be considered a 'statement' signing is really likely is it ?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 21, 2016, 01:10:39 PM: I won't be panicked into waving the shroud now - if things stay as they are in six weeks, maybe, but lots of time left yet for comings and goings
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 21, 2016, 01:22:37 PM: I'm hoping that things will heat up a bit next week and the week after. Rob needed some time to assess what he had, hopefully he's forming some conclusions and we'll see half a dozen or so out. I think thereafter a couple more in will be fine and I'm sure Tone will get the chequebook out.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: old man villa fan on July 21, 2016, 01:37:01 PM: With relegation clauses in contracts, does a relegation 'buy-out' clause only come into play if the club exercises a clause on reduced wages.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on July 21, 2016, 01:40:14 PM: We were so far beyond bad last season it is not a straightforward matter of getting in better players. Of course that is a big part of the recovery but what also has to happen is the ridding of the squad of the players who were at the root of our humiliation. Add to that the need to create a winning ethos and team spirit and the magnitude of what has to be done puts the head count of incoming players in perspective.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villafirst on July 21, 2016, 01:41:40 PM: Quote from: aj2k77 on July 21, 2016, 01:03:35 PM
I'm with Chris, all very underwhelming so far. Let's not forget just how poor we have been for the last 5 years culminating in last seasons surrender from competing.

Agree. The squad is still largely made up of the losers from last year. What's also worrying is the few decent players we have are being linked to other clubs, and of they move anytime in the next 2 weeks then that's real cause for concern. He really ought to have a striker in by now to work with the rest of the squad to bed in.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on July 21, 2016, 01:49:44 PM: Yeah, I'm not really buying this armchair psychologist stuff about how a losing mentality is apparently some incurable degenerative disease doomed to sink a club's promotion hopes unless dealt with through major revolution. Certainly some fresh ideas are needed and you get that with a few new signings and a new coaching staff, and certainly the bad eggs need chucking out, but if loser's mentality was as vicious as some people make it out to be, no relegated team would ever come back up on the first time of asking.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: itbrvilla on July 21, 2016, 01:56:14 PM: Quote from: passitsideways on July 21, 2016, 01:49:44 PM
Yeah, I'm not really buying this armchair psychologist stuff about how a losing mentality is apparently some incurable degenerative disease doomed to sink a club's promotion hopes unless dealt with through major revolution. Certainly some fresh ideas are needed and you get that with a few new signings and a new coaching staff, and certainly the bad eggs need chucking out, but if loser's mentality was as vicious as some people make it out to be, no relegated team would ever come back up on the first time of asking.
Many dont.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: andyh on July 21, 2016, 02:03:31 PM: Quote from: passitsideways on July 21, 2016, 01:49:44 PM
Yeah, I'm not really buying this armchair psychologist stuff about how a losing mentality is apparently some incurable degenerative disease doomed to sink a club's promotion hopes unless dealt with through major revolution. Certainly some fresh ideas are needed and you get that with a few new signings and a new coaching staff, and certainly the bad eggs need chucking out, but if loser's mentality was as vicious as some people make it out to be, no relegated team would ever come back up on the first time of asking.
In our case I think the definition of 'losing mentality' equals 'not giving a shit'.
We have far too many players who, to me, really look they don't give a shit about the club, the fans, their own performance or results.
As long as they pick up their pay at the end of each month, that's sufficient for them.
People like that are not specific to Villa, or to football, but are found in all industries and professions.
They could be called, coasters, wasters or even wastrels.

Problem is we have too many, all at the club at the same time.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on July 21, 2016, 02:04:09 PM: Quote from: itbrvilla on July 21, 2016, 01:56:14 PM
Quote from: passitsideways on July 21, 2016, 01:49:44 PM
Yeah, I'm not really buying this armchair psychologist stuff about how a losing mentality is apparently some incurable degenerative disease doomed to sink a club's promotion hopes unless dealt with through major revolution. Certainly some fresh ideas are needed and you get that with a few new signings and a new coaching staff, and certainly the bad eggs need chucking out, but if loser's mentality was as vicious as some people make it out to be, no relegated team would ever come back up on the first time of asking.
Many dont.

Yeah, and many others do, and I bet of those who did, plenty did so by keeping it relatively simple in regards to their player and coaching staff turnover. Just saying there's nothing to suggest that having too many players left over from a team bad enough to be relegated from PL automatically prevents you from gaining promotion.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: RussellC on July 21, 2016, 02:11:36 PM: Quote from: chrisw1 on July 21, 2016, 11:11:56 AM
Got to be honest I thought Tony would throw he weight around a bit more in the transfer market. I appreciate there's some time to go, but the activity so far is very modest. I think if Randy was still in charge he would be getting pelters by now.

I genuinely think we've just got too many players at present. Regardless of what budget has been made available for transfers we've still got to maintain a wage-bill that won't breach FFP.

Add to that the fact that I think RDM is still undecided on a number of players, Sinclair, Bennett, etc.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: chrisw1 on July 21, 2016, 02:15:56 PM: Quote from: mr underhill on July 21, 2016, 01:10:39 PM
I won't be panicked into waving the shroud now - if things stay as they are in six weeks, maybe, but lots of time left yet for comings and goings

There's no reason to use emotive language like this. Being a little disappointed / underwhelmed is far from panicking or shroud waving.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 21, 2016, 02:19:19 PM: are you mad? Get a sense of proportion and humour.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 21, 2016, 02:20:30 PM: on second thoughts don't - just join the labour party where that sort of curmudgeonly censorship would fit right in
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Bottom Right 89 on July 21, 2016, 02:21:13 PM: Quote from: RussellC on July 21, 2016, 02:11:36 PM
Quote from: chrisw1 on July 21, 2016, 11:11:56 AM
Got to be honest I thought Tony would throw he weight around a bit more in the transfer market. I appreciate there's some time to go, but the activity so far is very modest. I think if Randy was still in charge he would be getting pelters by now.

I genuinely think we've just got too many players at present. Regardless of budget has been made available for transfers we've still got to maintain a wage-bill that won't breach FFP.

Add to that the fact that I think RDM is still undecided on a number of players, Sinclair, Bennett, etc.
If they were basing it on pre-season performances I'd be keeping Joe Bennett and letting Sinclair go, he was a total passenger on Saturday contrast that with Jordan Ayew who despite the daily speculation about his transfer gave his best effort and scored a cracking goal late on. If this is an indication of how Scott trains it is no wonder he's often left on the bench. Can see a few outgoings in the next week before a couple of new bods come in time for the Boro game.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: chrisw1 on July 21, 2016, 02:23:54 PM: Quote from: mr underhill on July 21, 2016, 02:20:30 PM
on second thoughts don't - just join the labour party where that sort of curmudgeonly censorship would fit right in
It's not fucking censorship it's just pointing out that there can be a tendency oh here that when someone makes a reasonable, not that contentious point, for people to jump right down their fucking throats. Is that clear enough for you?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Richard E on July 21, 2016, 02:25:54 PM: Quote from: mr underhill on July 21, 2016, 02:19:19 PM
are you mad? Get a sense of proportion and humour.

I seem to recall you telling me off a couple of months ago on another thread for saying that a demonstration wasn't going to be "the first day at the Somme" ;-)
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VinnieChase84 on July 21, 2016, 02:32:00 PM: Now that Boro have got Negredo, we should be going all out for Jordan Rhodes imo.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on July 21, 2016, 02:43:18 PM: Quote from: chrisw1 on July 21, 2016, 02:23:54 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on July 21, 2016, 02:20:30 PM
on second thoughts don't - just join the labour party where that sort of curmudgeonly censorship would fit right in
It's not fucking censorship it's just pointing out that there can be a tendency oh here that when someone makes a reasonable, not that contentious point, for people to jump right down their fucking throats. Is that clear enough for you?

Can we both take a deep breath and stop shouting at each other please?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: RussellC on July 21, 2016, 02:47:29 PM: Quote from: VinnieChase84 on July 21, 2016, 02:32:00 PM
Now that Boro have got Negredo, we should be going all out for Jordan Rhodes imo.

We definitely need a striker of that type - a clinical finisher who operates more-or-less solely in the box - and there are seemingly plenty of options; Bamford, James Wilson, Kodjia, Rhodes, Nakhi Wells, etc.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on July 21, 2016, 02:48:15 PM: We need several new players. Last season 's squad might not be too shit for this division but, to a man, they showed last year that they lack the kind of bottle we need in the Championship. We don't want shit houses thank you.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 21, 2016, 03:02:33 PM: Even before allowing for any of the kids playing a part this season, our squad is too big to be bringing in players before we've got rid of some. Take the back 5, by my reckoning we currently have 4 keepers (counting Brad as he's still here), 3 LB, 5 CB and 3 RB (I'm counting Richards there rather than as a CB and Bacuna). And it's the same pretty much everywhere on the pitch.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 21, 2016, 03:13:42 PM: Quote from: mr underhill on July 21, 2016, 02:20:30 PM
on second thoughts don't - just join the labour party where that sort of curmudgeonly censorship would fit right in

Ban this person please. I don't appreciate reading comments like this.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 21, 2016, 03:15:19 PM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on July 21, 2016, 03:02:33 PM
Even before allowing for any of the kids playing a part this season, our squad is too big to be bringing in players before we've got rid of some. Take the back 5, by my reckoning we currently have 4 keepers (counting Brad as he's still here), 3 LB, 5 CB and 3 RB (I'm counting Richards there rather than as a CB and Bacuna). And it's the same pretty much everywhere on the pitch.
this is the point, we have too many players, I am pretty sure that the focus is on moving some out to create some space.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 21, 2016, 03:16:31 PM: Apparently a fee has been agreed with Sunderland for Richards. Now with Moyes replacing Fat Sam let's pray the deal still goes through.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: RussellC on July 21, 2016, 03:20:13 PM: Quote from: ChicagoLion on July 21, 2016, 03:15:19 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on July 21, 2016, 03:02:33 PM
Even before allowing for any of the kids playing a part this season, our squad is too big to be bringing in players before we've got rid of some. Take the back 5, by my reckoning we currently have 4 keepers (counting Brad as he's still here), 3 LB, 5 CB and 3 RB (I'm counting Richards there rather than as a CB and Bacuna). And it's the same pretty much everywhere on the pitch.
this is the point, we have too many players, I am pretty sure that the focus is on moving some out to create some space.

I'm pretty sure we'll see thing start to speed-up next week. By then we'll possibly have lost Guzan, Sanchez, Veretout, Gil and possibly Sinclair. RDM should then be in a position to focus more on incomings.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: RussellC on July 21, 2016, 03:21:35 PM: Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on July 21, 2016, 03:16:31 PM
Apparently a fee has been agreed with Sunderland for Richards. Now with Moyes replacing Fat Sam let's pray the deal still goes through.

Jesus Christ. Where's that orange dot gone??

A fee?! They actually want to give us some money for him?! The worst player I've seen at Villa in a long, long time, particularly at centre-back.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Brend'Watkins on July 21, 2016, 03:23:05 PM: Did we buy Richards or get him on a free?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on July 21, 2016, 03:27:45 PM: We swapped him for a springer spaniel.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 21, 2016, 03:27:48 PM: Quote from: Bren'd on July 21, 2016, 03:23:05 PM
Did we buy Richards or get him on a free?

Free.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on July 21, 2016, 03:28:42 PM: Quote from: Bren'd on July 21, 2016, 03:23:05 PM
Did we buy Richards or get him on a free?

The latter
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 21, 2016, 03:29:11 PM: If we get £5m for Richards we should change our mascot to Dick Turpin.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Lsvilla on July 21, 2016, 03:30:20 PM: Are we sure that they're paying us ?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: RussellC on July 21, 2016, 03:31:41 PM: They'll probably send a van full of pound-coins with Charles N'Zogbia hiding underneath them.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 21, 2016, 03:33:53 PM: He'd be rubbish at hiding given his taste in clothes.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on July 21, 2016, 03:43:12 PM: They will send him hiding under a van load of French marigolds.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 21, 2016, 03:43:30 PM: not sure he will be a Moyes type defender :-\
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on July 21, 2016, 03:44:59 PM: Quote from: VILLA MOLE on July 21, 2016, 03:43:30 PM
not sure he ~~will~~ be a ~~Moyes type~~ defender :-\
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 21, 2016, 03:47:16 PM: Quote from: UK Redsox on July 21, 2016, 03:44:59 PM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on July 21, 2016, 03:43:30 PM
not sure he ~~will~~ be a ~~Moyes type~~ defender :-\

ha ha , he be not good
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 21, 2016, 03:59:15 PM: I can't believe we've turned down £2.75million from Celtic for Scott Sinclair. What are we holding out for, £2.75million and thruppence?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: LeeB on July 21, 2016, 04:25:47 PM: Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on July 21, 2016, 03:59:15 PM
I can't believe we've turned down £2.75million from Celtic for Scott Sinclair. What are we holding out for, £2.75million and thruppence?

If I was Newcastle, I'd offer us £3m on the basis we play him every week.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 21, 2016, 04:31:05 PM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on July 21, 2016, 03:29:11 PM
If we get £5m for Richards we should change our mascot to Dick Turpin.

Tom Fox sure showed his business background and football market knowledge last summer. Release clauses for Ayew and Gana at the price we paid and £5m for Richards.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: garyshawsknee on July 21, 2016, 04:50:25 PM: I was hoping with the Doc's connection in China we could ship some of last years losers there. 3 ex England internationals must have some pull, even if one of them is Gabby.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on July 21, 2016, 04:54:35 PM: Quote from: garyshawsknee on July 21, 2016, 04:50:25 PM
I was hoping with the Doc's connection in China we could ship some of last years losers there. 3 ex England internationals must have some pull, even if one of them is Gabby.

Can you honestly see any of that lot wanting to live in China ?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Diablo on July 21, 2016, 05:22:13 PM: Quote from: brian green on July 21, 2016, 03:27:45 PM
We swapped him for a springer spaniel.

If we initially swapped Richards for a springer spaniel we woz robbed!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 21, 2016, 05:25:20 PM: Gabby in a Chinese restraunt, waiter come up and says,"you want Dim Sum".
The names Gabby if you don't mind mate.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: chrisf on July 21, 2016, 05:25:54 PM: Has Richards gone yet? Please? Someone say he's gone.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on July 21, 2016, 05:34:38 PM: Quote from: chrisf on July 21, 2016, 05:25:54 PM
Has Richards gone yet? Please? Someone say he's gone.

He's gone!.....but he hasn't......but he might...to Sunderland very shortly.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: in exile on July 21, 2016, 05:53:03 PM: Not if Big Sam gets the England job me thinks
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Diablo on July 21, 2016, 06:09:28 PM: Quote from: in exile on July 21, 2016, 05:53:03 PM
Not if Big Sam gets the England job me thinks

Talk about double whammy!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: garyshawsknee on July 21, 2016, 06:21:47 PM: Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on July 21, 2016, 04:54:35 PM
Quote from: garyshawsknee on July 21, 2016, 04:50:25 PM
I was hoping with the Doc's connection in China we could ship some of last years losers there. 3 ex England internationals must have some pull, even if one of them is Gabby.

Can you honestly see any of that lot wanting to live in China ?

For a hundred odd grand a week I could.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: chrisf on July 21, 2016, 06:41:02 PM: Quote from: Ron Manager on July 21, 2016, 05:34:38 PM
Quote from: chrisf on July 21, 2016, 05:25:54 PM
Has Richards gone yet? Please? Someone say he's gone.

He's gone!.....but he hasn't......but he might...to Sunderland very shortly.
Prayers for Micah. He really deserves to be in the Premier League. Can't go wrong with a quality signing like that. A bit like signing Steven Ireland. Quality.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tony Erdington on July 21, 2016, 07:42:18 PM: Quote from: chrisf on July 21, 2016, 06:41:02 PM
Quote from: Ron Manager on July 21, 2016, 05:34:38 PM
Quote from: chrisf on July 21, 2016, 05:25:54 PM
Has Richards gone yet? Please? Someone say he's gone.

He's gone!.....but he hasn't......but he might...to Sunderland very shortly.
Prayers for Micah. He really deserves to be in the Premier League. Can't go wrong with a quality signing like that. A bit like signing Steven Ireland. Quality.

I think olbiyon need a player like him, much better than lescott
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ldavfc4eva on July 21, 2016, 07:50:24 PM: Where is it reported Richards is off to Sunderland? Haven't seen it anywhere reputable yet,

See Blackburn have signed grant Hanley, decent player at championship level, can't help but feel they will coast to the championship this season.

We really need to step our game up and gets some more bodies in, although if Richards is going and Sanchez and Sinclair followed perhaps we would see a signing or two then.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tuscans on July 21, 2016, 07:58:58 PM: Quote from: ldavfc4eva on July 21, 2016, 07:50:24 PM
Where is it reported Richards is off to Sunderland? Haven't seen it anywhere reputable yet,

See Blackburn have signed grant Hanley, decent player at championship level, can't help but feel they will coast to the championship this season.

We really need to step our game up and gets some more bodies in, although if Richards is going and Sanchez and Sinclair followed perhaps we would see a signing or two then.
Was reported back in January and it's cropped up again online the last 2-3 days. Just type in his name and it comes up everywhere.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 21, 2016, 08:08:49 PM: Quote from: Tuscans on July 21, 2016, 07:58:58 PM
Quote from: ldavfc4eva on July 21, 2016, 07:50:24 PM
Where is it reported Richards is off to Sunderland? Haven't seen it anywhere reputable yet,

See Blackburn have signed grant Hanley, decent player at championship level, can't help but feel they will coast to the championship this season.

We really need to step our game up and gets some more bodies in, although if Richards is going and Sanchez and Sinclair followed perhaps we would see a signing or two then.
Was reported back in January and it's cropped up again online the last 2-3 days. Just type in his name and it comes up everywhere.

Telegraph today in the Fat Sam/Moyes article.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on July 21, 2016, 08:14:56 PM: Newcastle have sold their best players and brought in Ritchie and Gayle. They're weaker than they were in May.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 21, 2016, 08:20:22 PM: According to the Daily Record we're hold out for £5m and £6m for Sinclair. Celtic have offered us £3m. I'd snap their hand off and send him up there today but he'd probably get lost around Carlisle and end up in Wales.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ldavfc4eva on July 21, 2016, 08:23:47 PM: Cheers guys, at least it sounds genuine then, good riddance!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: OCD on July 21, 2016, 08:34:52 PM: I'm not sure what exactly Sinclair has done in his stay with us to double his value. £3m sounds fair - it would be better to get it done than risk them losing interest.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 21, 2016, 08:41:11 PM: Personally I'd be accepting all these bids for Clark, Westwood, Sinclair etc.

Dr Tony isn't going to be a charity forever just like Lerner wasn't. He certainly won't be continually funding decent budgets if we don't get promoted very soon.

Plus it helps balancing the books as we then don't get bloated wage bills and squads like we did halfway through the Lerner era.

I feel the sticking point is RDM sees those three as key parts of his squad/first 11 this season which will provoke lively debate on here if the results don't come!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on July 21, 2016, 08:54:11 PM: I don't think Tony has behaved or will behave like a charity. Unlike our late unlamented owner he is a competent businessman. If we get back into the Premiership his investment will have almost doubled in value. He knows that the Premiership is where you have to be. He knows what it costs. Lerner hid under the table and wished very hard.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on July 21, 2016, 08:56:15 PM: I can't understand why we're willing to give Guzan away free but are holding out for £6m for Sinclair. I'd snap their hand off for £3m. Preferably Celtic not Newcastle so he can't score his inevitable goal against us.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 21, 2016, 08:56:55 PM: Because we have 4 keepers and Guzan has 1 year left on his contract would be my guess.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: andyh on July 21, 2016, 08:59:32 PM: Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on July 21, 2016, 08:20:22 PM
According to the Daily Record we're hold out for £5m and £6m for Sinclair. Celtic have offered us £3m. I'd snap their hand off and send him up there today but he'd probably get lost around Carlisle and end up in Wales.
The other thing about selling him to Celtic is that it can't come back and hurt us.
God forbid we sold him to another championship club and he somehow remembered he is supposed to be a footballer and was productive for them.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: LTA on July 21, 2016, 09:36:02 PM: Ross Mccormack close to Norwich move apparently.

Why are we once again sitting about doing nothing? Pay what Fulham want and go and get him Villa.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ldavfc4eva on July 21, 2016, 09:38:45 PM: Wouldn't mind him or Rhodes at boro if he isn't going to get much game time there this season. Definitely need a new striker either way.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on July 21, 2016, 09:43:02 PM: Quote from: LTA on July 21, 2016, 09:36:02 PM
Ross Mccormack close to Norwich move apparently.

Why are we once again sitting about doing nothing? Pay what Fulham want and go and get him Villa.

There's a reason teams haven't touched him higher up the chain. Usually comes back from pre-season unfit and over weight and although he does score goals it's at the expense of the team as he does vary little work elsewhere around the pitch meaning all his running is done for him and the team is moulded around him. not for me.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on July 21, 2016, 10:11:01 PM: We need somebody more mobile. There is a genuine interest in Kodjia at Bristol and I'd prefer him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Chris Jameson on July 21, 2016, 10:22:00 PM: Quote from: LTA on July 21, 2016, 09:36:02 PM
Ross Mccormack close to Norwich move apparently.

Why are we once again sitting about doing nothing? Pay what Fulham want and go and get him Villa.

I think we all know that if Villa were to spend £10 million on him who the first person to question the wisdom of such a deal would be.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on July 21, 2016, 10:25:50 PM: I can see why we'd want that much for Sinclair and why Celtic might be willing to pay it even - piss-easy league, playing in comfortably the best team there, and Sinclair could get 20 league goals easily in the SPL. I do hope there's an inference that the reason we're asking for such a price is because he's shown up and looked at least reasonably motivated, because I'm sure we wouldn't bother if his attitude was so poor that cutting our losses would be the best option.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 21, 2016, 10:26:05 PM: Not fussed on McCormack.

We had similar in Bent who scored at a reasonable rate for 18 months but we weren't challenging the top 6 at anytime.

As odd as it is sometimes a striker that only scores can be to the detriment of the team...where have Fulham finished last two seasons again? Didn't they sign McCormack to get them promotion?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 21, 2016, 11:00:47 PM: Quote from: LTA on July 21, 2016, 09:36:02 PM
Ross Mccormack close to Norwich move apparently.

Why are we once again sitting about doing nothing? Pay what Fulham want and go and get him Villa.

Full of positivity as always. A thirty year old who no doubt costs of £10 million no thanks.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on July 21, 2016, 11:05:45 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 21, 2016, 11:00:47 PM
Quote from: LTA on July 21, 2016, 09:36:02 PM
Ross Mccormack close to Norwich move apparently.

Why are we once again sitting about doing nothing? Pay what Fulham want and go and get him Villa.

Full of positivity as always. A thirty year old who no doubt costs of £10 million no thanks.

I agree, as much as I want Villa to bring new players in, this does not make financial sense and we are a business after all. I know nothing about Kodjia but that looks to be a better deal.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 21, 2016, 11:22:43 PM: One week without signing someone and Norwich possibly paying a nuts figure for a 30 year old and LTA is losing his mind.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: OCD on July 21, 2016, 11:31:05 PM: Quote from: SoccerHQ on July 21, 2016, 10:26:05 PM
Not fussed on McCormack.

We had similar in Bent who scored at a reasonable rate for 18 months but we weren't challenging the top 6 at anytime.

How different might things have been though if we had signed Bent instead of Heskey though?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: LTA on July 21, 2016, 11:33:46 PM: Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 21, 2016, 11:22:43 PM
One week without signing someone and Norwich possibly paying a nuts figure for a 30 year old and LTA is losing his mind.

It won't be nuts if he scores the goals that get Norwich up. He's proven in the Championship and we need goal scorers. Mccormack is far better than any of the strikers we have imo.

To me its a no brainer.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 21, 2016, 11:33:48 PM: McCormack supposedly has a £12m release clause, so smeg knows how much more he'd cost if we join and start a bidding war!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: LTA on July 21, 2016, 11:35:19 PM: Quote from: Newby on July 21, 2016, 11:05:45 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 21, 2016, 11:00:47 PM
Quote from: LTA on July 21, 2016, 09:36:02 PM
Ross Mccormack close to Norwich move apparently.

Why are we once again sitting about doing nothing? Pay what Fulham want and go and get him Villa.

Full of positivity as always. A thirty year old who no doubt costs of £10 million no thanks.

I agree, as much as I want Villa to bring new players in, this does not make financial sense and we are a business after all. I know nothing about Kodjia but that looks to be a better deal.

We need proven quality, not punts on potential.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 21, 2016, 11:35:58 PM: We already have a not exactly mobile striker that can score at that level, why would we spend £12m on another one? We need a player similar in style to Ayew if we assume he will be off.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on July 22, 2016, 12:00:52 AM: Quote from: LTA on July 21, 2016, 11:35:19 PM
Quote from: Newby on July 21, 2016, 11:05:45 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 21, 2016, 11:00:47 PM
Quote from: LTA on July 21, 2016, 09:36:02 PM
Ross Mccormack close to Norwich move apparently.

Why are we once again sitting about doing nothing? Pay what Fulham want and go and get him Villa.

Full of positivity as always. A thirty year old who no doubt costs of £10 million no thanks.

I agree, as much as I want Villa to bring new players in, this does not make financial sense and we are a business after all. I know nothing about Kodjia but that looks to be a better deal.

We need proven quality, not punts on potential.

Proven quality? So good he plays for Fulham rather than Manchester United. Norwich are desperate enough to buy him then fair play to them. It's about getting up and staying up, This player won't play often enough in the Premiership to be worth the cost.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on July 22, 2016, 12:02:51 AM: Kodjia scored 20 goals last season in a shit side, he's hardly a punt.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Axl Rose on July 22, 2016, 12:38:48 AM: Quote from: Ads on July 22, 2016, 12:02:51 AM
Kodjia scored 20 goals last season in a shit side, he's hardly a punt.

Agree. He looks exciting, and would thrive for us. I don't get the clamour for McCormack.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 22, 2016, 01:17:34 AM: Quote from: LTA on July 21, 2016, 11:33:46 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 21, 2016, 11:22:43 PM
One week without signing someone and Norwich possibly paying a nuts figure for a 30 year old and LTA is losing his mind.

It won't be nuts if he scores the goals that get Norwich up. He's proven in the Championship and we need goal scorers. Mccormack is far better than any of the strikers we have imo.

To me its a no brainer.

He's hardly made Fulham any better despite his goals. He appears to be one of those players that doesn't contribute much more than goals. So a lot like Bent where other parts of our game would suffer to get him the ball. He's a good player but he's not at all worth what is being asked to get him at his age. So if Norwich want him good for them. I see no reason at all to panic at this point in the pre season. No doubt players will come and many will go. Just calm down and give the manager time to do his job properly.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on July 22, 2016, 01:59:53 AM: I would still like to see us go for Bamford, he was excellent at Boro and would compliment Ayew or Gestede IMO. I think we need 2 strikers ideally, over 46 games with injury, fatigue, loss of form etc. Bamford and Kodija would give us a decent group.

More worried about bodies in midfield at the moment, and creative options if Jack is not in form or fit. I actually don't think, if Richards and a couple of others have gone, Ravel Morrison is such a bad idea considering he has done it in the division before and would be a calculated gamble. Interesting 6 weeks ahead to get this squad ready though.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt C on July 22, 2016, 02:51:38 AM: Kodjia & Bamford would be more like it.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 22, 2016, 06:23:15 AM: I think we should look at Rhodes from Boro - I don't think they'll use him much this season. There's no better at this level at the moment.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on July 22, 2016, 06:53:53 AM: Quote from: LTA on July 21, 2016, 09:36:02 PM
Ross Mccormack close to Norwich move apparently.

Why are we once again sitting about doing nothing? Pay what Fulham want and go and get him Villa.

hhhmmm signing a 30 year old on big wages for 10 million with no resale value

no thanks and hopefully we are learning from past mistakes
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Bestmate on July 22, 2016, 08:24:44 AM: Some interesting thoughts here on our potential new striker. I like the idea of Bamford because he has already proved effective at this level and has the potential to grow into a useful premiership player-and I think all three we have bought so far have that capacity too. I like McCormack but its definately a short term purchase with no sell on value. Overall though, would love Ayew to stay.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 22, 2016, 08:43:46 AM: This would be a monumentally retrograde move - RM is just this year's D Bent. Avoid.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: saunders_heroes on July 22, 2016, 08:52:38 AM: Quote from: mr underhill on July 22, 2016, 08:43:46 AM
This would be a monumentally retrograde move - RM is just this year's D Bent. Avoid.

Bent scored goals at Villa so why the downer on him? I wouldn't mind someone like him at Villa next season.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Gareth on July 22, 2016, 08:57:45 AM: Quote from: saunders_heroes on July 22, 2016, 08:52:38 AM
Quote from: mr underhill on July 22, 2016, 08:43:46 AM
This would be a monumentally retrograde move - RM is just this year's D Bent. Avoid.

Bent scored goals at Villa so why the downer on him? I wouldn't mind someone like him at Villa next season.

Bent scored goals when we had wide players, for the last 4 years we've had no width beyond full backs & we haven't been even linked with wide players this summer.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 22, 2016, 09:00:28 AM: indeed - if he didn't score you might as well have played with ten. The days of predicating a team on one person are gone, surely?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on July 22, 2016, 09:10:11 AM: Managers are scared of signing wingers these days. They suspect they will not chase back and tackle at every opportunity therefore not bolstering the midfield.

The fans see them as fast skilful individuals who provide entertainment and something to remember in a dull match .

Centre forwards see them as essential!

We need a winger!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: manic-road on July 22, 2016, 09:18:32 AM: I wouldn't mind seeing Crouch back at the Villa, Stoke see him as surplus to requirements and I reckon he would get plenty of goals in the Championship.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: MonsXI on July 22, 2016, 09:44:15 AM: Ayew Gestede Kozak Hepburn Murphy and Kodija should be enough fire power as two of them have scored 20+ in the championship and Ayew is definitely premier league class.

My concern is players to provide them with chances.

No for me with Mccormack too pricey.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: AVH87 on July 22, 2016, 09:46:37 AM: If we keep Ayew, I'd be happy just signing one new striker to start the season. Can then review in January depending on how we are doing/whether Ayew will stay the whole season.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: in exile on July 22, 2016, 09:49:04 AM: Quote from: MonsXI on July 22, 2016, 09:44:15 AM
Ayew Gestede Kozak Hepburn Murphy and Kodija should be enough fire power as two of them have scored 20+ in the championship and Ayew is definitely premier league class.

My concern is players to provide them with chances.

No for me with Mccormack too pricey.
Have we actually signed Kodija?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on July 22, 2016, 09:50:09 AM: Quote from: Ron Manager on July 22, 2016, 09:10:11 AM
Managers are scared of signing wingers these days. They suspect they will not chase back and tackle at every opportunity therefore not bolstering the midfield.

The fans see them as fast skilful individuals who provide entertainment and something to remember in a dull match .

Centre forwards see them as essential!

We need a winger!

we've already got one

awavi

playing him wide left with cissoko behind him is the way forward
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Diablo on July 22, 2016, 10:04:39 AM: Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on July 22, 2016, 09:50:09 AM
Quote from: Ron Manager on July 22, 2016, 09:10:11 AM
Managers are scared of signing wingers these days. They suspect they will not chase back and tackle at every opportunity therefore not bolstering the midfield.

The fans see them as fast skilful individuals who provide entertainment and something to remember in a dull match .

Centre forwards see them as essential!

We need a winger!

we've already got one

awavi

playing him wide left with cissoko behind him is the way forward

Two if Adama Traoré stays injury free
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on July 22, 2016, 10:09:53 AM: three if Jack start performing like a winger ;)
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: FranzBiberkopf on July 22, 2016, 10:15:25 AM: Quote
playing him wide left with cissoko behind him is the way forward

Cissoko shouldn't be anywhere near the first team.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ClaretAndBlueBlood on July 22, 2016, 10:25:54 AM: Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on July 22, 2016, 06:53:53 AM
Quote from: LTA on July 21, 2016, 09:36:02 PM
Ross Mccormack close to Norwich move apparently.

Why are we once again sitting about doing nothing? Pay what Fulham want and go and get him Villa.

hhhmmm signing a 30 year old on big wages for 10 million with no resale value

no thanks and hopefully we are learning from past mistakes

for this season only, the resale value isn't so important. With the money to be earned from getting promotion, having a goalscorer as a short term option isn't a crazy move if it means the difference between being promoted and not
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: RussellC on July 22, 2016, 10:28:48 AM: Quote from: mr underhill on July 22, 2016, 08:43:46 AM
This would be a monumentally retrograde move - RM is just this year's D Bent. Avoid.

Disagree - look a the type of goals that McCormack scores. He's equally as capable of dropping deep and playing as a Number 10 (as I like to call them) as he is a goal-poacher. That said, for his age and price-tag I can see why the club are seemingly not pursuing this one.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: MonsXI on July 22, 2016, 10:34:07 AM: Quote from: in exile on July 22, 2016, 09:49:04 AM
Quote from: MonsXI on July 22, 2016, 09:44:15 AM
Ayew Gestede Kozak Hepburn Murphy and Kodija should be enough fire power as two of them have scored 20+ in the championship and Ayew is definitely premier league class.

My concern is players to provide them with chances.

No for me with Mccormack too pricey.
Have we actually signed Kodija?

No but im sure I read we have bid although could be a rumour.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on July 22, 2016, 10:37:27 AM: i would rather have cissokho as left back stopping at the halfway line than bennett

amavi wide left
traore wide right
tshibola and a n other in the middle
grealish in a free role behind ayew
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ClaretAndBlueBlood on July 22, 2016, 10:42:01 AM: Quote from: RussellC on July 22, 2016, 10:28:48 AM
Quote from: mr underhill on July 22, 2016, 08:43:46 AM
This would be a monumentally retrograde move - RM is just this year's D Bent. Avoid.

Disagree - look a the type of goals that McCormack scores. He's equally as capable of dropping deep and playing as a Number 10 (as I like to call them) as he is a goal-poacher. That said, for his age and price-tag I can see why the club are seemingly not pursuing this one.

if he gets us promoted and swells our coffers by 100M then his price tag will be worth it, proven goalscorer at this level, I wouldn't write him off so quickly unless we have a better option
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: FranzBiberkopf on July 22, 2016, 11:00:06 AM: Quote
amavi wide left
traore wide right
tshibola and a n other in the middle
grealish in a free role behind ayew

I'm not so sure. That is one of those lineups that could crash and burn badly. We still need some real steel/experience in there. A horrible, grizzled centre forward (in the mould of a Andy Carrol), a niggly centre midfielder (in the mould of a Joey Barton), plus two no nonsense fullbacks who can just defend. Other big gaping whole is set pieces - we have no-one who can take a freekick; no one who can take a corner (assuming Gardener doesn't take up a midfield place).
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on July 22, 2016, 11:00:08 AM: This is what a Fulham fan wrote about McCormack on a different forum:

Our very first season in the Championship, when parachute payments were highest, we promoted 5 or 6 17-18 year olds to the first team. We signed free transfers such as Mark Fotheringham, Dino Fazlic, Adil Chihi, Tim Hoogland and some other no names. We signed Ross McCormack for £6 million plus add ons. The club genuinely thought we had a promotion winning team. The term all fur coat no knickers spring to mind - we had the shiny marquee signing in McCormack but that was it. We nearly got relegated.

More or less the same happened last year. We signed a load of freebies, albeit higher quality freebies than the year before, and still struggled. So we are not a well run club. We are lucky to have Jokanovic although there were rumours he was going to walk at the end of the season. (power struggle with Rigg). Then our owner is half in and half out. It is frustrating to have a billionaire owner who runs the club as if here were just keeping his neck above water. He'll probably sell within two seasons. He makes us compete within the parameters of financial sustainability...meaning we can't compete because we are sinking stone without him to underwrite the investment. Getting 12 k a week at the Cottage will not sign you anyone decent!

McCormack's agent is Willie McKay. He hawked McCormack to the 3 relegated clubs and there was interest but no biters. Ross has been here 2 years and has already signed 2 contract extensions and wage rises. I would not be sorry to see McCormack go. He is unprofessional in the off season, piles on the pounds. It takes 5 or 6 games to get going. He scoores and he assists but he is also detrimental to the team. He doesn't close down and I think his tactial awareness is poor. Get £10 million and sell on the caveat that it will be reinvested.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Gareth on July 22, 2016, 11:08:41 AM: Quote from: peter w on July 22, 2016, 11:00:08 AM

McCormack's agent is Willie McKay. He hawked McCormack to the 3 relegated clubs and there was interest but no biters. Ross has been here 2 years and has already signed 2 contract extensions and wage rises. I would not be sorry to see McCormack go. He is unprofessional in the off season, piles on the pounds. It takes 5 or 6 games to get going. He scoores and he assists but he is also detrimental to the team. He doesn't close down and I think his tactial awareness is poor. Get £10 million and sell on the caveat that it will be reinvested.

There's something odd with McCormack & Rhodes, despite having good goal scoring records in the Championship neither seem to be fixtures in the Scotland team & let's face it the pool isn't deep! Wasn't McKay the agent who pushed Boateng out of VP?

Think would prefer Kodija, Wells or Assombalonga
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 22, 2016, 11:19:47 AM: Although I do not profess to understand a lot about tactics it has been suggested that RDM fancies 4231 formation

so I assume we need a very fit and mobile striker - and don't think we have one at present that could genuinely play that role
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on July 22, 2016, 11:23:35 AM: Kodjia and Assombalonga, a mouthful to say, but would be great to watch. The right money would get both, I'm sure.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Eckybloke on July 22, 2016, 11:29:46 AM: I wouldn't take a Scottish striker. I can't think of any of them in recent years (and I mean the last 10/15 years) who have (a) been any good or (b) developed much after a move from Scotland to England to big money.

There doesn't appear to be an appreciation of athleticism in Scottish football in general or general football craft. Where you see foreigners and indeed English players get craftier as they get older to make up for a decline in speed or skills, even the better Scottish players have an arc of:

Are shite because they're young, in Scottish football and have no football experience
Get better
Get good and maybe get a move to England
Get richer and lazy
Get shite because they're older
Get really shite and move back to Scottish Football or retire

No wonder the Scottish game is utter gubbins.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on July 22, 2016, 11:34:46 AM: Quote from: FranzBiberkopf on July 22, 2016, 11:00:06 AM
Quote
amavi wide left
traore wide right
tshibola and a n other in the middle
grealish in a free role behind ayew

I'm not so sure. That is one of those lineups that could crash and burn badly. We still need some real steel/experience in there. A horrible, grizzled centre forward (in the mould of a Andy Carrol), a niggly centre midfielder (in the mould of a Joey Barton), plus two no nonsense fullbacks who can just defend. Other big gaping whole is set pieces - we have no-one who can take a freekick; no one who can take a corner (assjuming Gardener doesn't take up a midfield place).

we have two full backs in hutton and cissoko who are what they say on the tin, not wing backs but defenders who stop at the half way line

agree about central midfield hence the a n other, although gana if he stays would be fine
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: darren woolley on July 22, 2016, 11:39:51 AM: I would also like us to get Kodjia and Asombalonga would be great if we can sign the pair of them.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on July 22, 2016, 11:49:35 AM: Cissokho is awful. I'd rather Amavi stay to provide that attacking link down the left. Richards, attitude and fitness depending, might do a similar thing down the right. Agree with others, if we are going down the 4231 route, then either Gueye stays and plays next to Tish, with Gardner as back up, or we need to bring in another physical player.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on July 22, 2016, 12:10:27 PM: Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on July 22, 2016, 11:34:46 AM
Quote from: FranzBiberkopf on July 22, 2016, 11:00:06 AM
Quote
amavi wide left
traore wide right
tshibola and a n other in the middle
grealish in a free role behind ayew

I'm not so sure. That is one of those lineups that could crash and burn badly. We still need some real steel/experience in there. A horrible, grizzled centre forward (in the mould of a Andy Carrol), a niggly centre midfielder (in the mould of a Joey Barton), plus two no nonsense fullbacks who can just defend. Other big gaping whole is set pieces - we have no-one who can take a freekick; no one who can take a corner (assjuming Gardener doesn't take up a midfield place).

we have two full backs in hutton and cissoko who are what they say on the tin, not wing backs but defenders who stop at the half way line
agree about central midfield hence the a n other, although gana if he stays would be fine

Sorry, but must have been watching a different Hutton for the past five seasons. Hutton does get forward, but his crosses never beat the first defender and he is then caught out of position and can't get back.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 22, 2016, 12:15:13 PM: Quote from: tomd2103 on July 22, 2016, 12:10:27 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on July 22, 2016, 11:34:46 AM
Quote from: FranzBiberkopf on July 22, 2016, 11:00:06 AM
Quote
amavi wide left
traore wide right
tshibola and a n other in the middle
grealish in a free role behind ayew

I'm not so sure. That is one of those lineups that could crash and burn badly. We still need some real steel/experience in there. A horrible, grizzled centre forward (in the mould of a Andy Carrol), a niggly centre midfielder (in the mould of a Joey Barton), plus two no nonsense fullbacks who can just defend. Other big gaping whole is set pieces - we have no-one who can take a freekick; no one who can take a corner (assjuming Gardener doesn't take up a midfield place).

we have two full backs in hutton and cissoko who are what they say on the tin, not wing backs but defenders who stop at the half way line
agree about central midfield hence the a n other, although gana if he stays would be fine

Sorry, but must have been watching a different Hutton for the past five seasons. Hutton does get forward, but his crosses never beat the first defender and he is then caught out of position and can't get back.

I don't hate Hutton but I hate him in the team for that very reason, he brings an end to more attacks than anyone, frustrates the hell out of me, let's face it were stuck with him. Giving him that extension was the utimate v's up to Lerner in my opinion
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mattjpa on July 22, 2016, 12:20:07 PM: Quote from: Eckybloke on July 22, 2016, 11:29:46 AM
I wouldn't take a Scottish striker. I can't think of any of them in recent years (and I mean the last 10/15 years) who have (a) been any good or (b) developed much after a move from Scotland to England to big money.

There doesn't appear to be an appreciation of athleticism in Scottish football in general or general football craft. Where you see foreigners and indeed English players get craftier as they get older to make up for a decline in speed or skills, even the better Scottish players have an arc of:

Are shite because they're young, in Scottish football and have no football experience
Get better
Get good and maybe get a move to England
Get richer and lazy
Get shite because they're older
Get really shite and move back to Scottish Football or retire

No wonder the Scottish game is utter gubbins.

Im not going to smash you out of the park with this, but an argument could be made for both Maloney and Kenny Miller. Certainly Stephen Naismith ticks the boxes, Id love to have him even now...
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on July 22, 2016, 12:22:21 PM: Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on July 22, 2016, 12:15:13 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on July 22, 2016, 12:10:27 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on July 22, 2016, 11:34:46 AM
Quote from: FranzBiberkopf on July 22, 2016, 11:00:06 AM
Quote
amavi wide left
traore wide right
tshibola and a n other in the middle
grealish in a free role behind ayew

I'm not so sure. That is one of those lineups that could crash and burn badly. We still need some real steel/experience in there. A horrible, grizzled centre forward (in the mould of a Andy Carrol), a niggly centre midfielder (in the mould of a Joey Barton), plus two no nonsense fullbacks who can just defend. Other big gaping whole is set pieces - we have no-one who can take a freekick; no one who can take a corner (assjuming Gardener doesn't take up a midfield place).

we have two full backs in hutton and cissoko who are what they say on the tin, not wing backs but defenders who stop at the half way line
agree about central midfield hence the a n other, although gana if he stays would be fine

Sorry, but must have been watching a different Hutton for the past five seasons. Hutton does get forward, but his crosses never beat the first defender and he is then caught out of position and can't get back.

I don't hate Hutton but I hate him in the team for that very reason, he brings an end to more attacks than anyone, frustrates the hell out of me, let's face it were stuck with him. Giving him that extension was the utimate v's up to Lerner in my opinion

That was a really bizarre decision. Had been completely frozen out and then was suddenly handed a new contract on the back of a couple of reasonable games. Just goes to show there was no joined up thinking going at all.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on July 22, 2016, 12:28:40 PM: Quote from: mattjpa on July 22, 2016, 12:20:07 PM
Quote from: Eckybloke on July 22, 2016, 11:29:46 AM
I wouldn't take a Scottish striker. I can't think of any of them in recent years (and I mean the last 10/15 years) who have (a) been any good or (b) developed much after a move from Scotland to England to big money.

There doesn't appear to be an appreciation of athleticism in Scottish football in general or general football craft. Where you see foreigners and indeed English players get craftier as they get older to make up for a decline in speed or skills, even the better Scottish players have an arc of:

Are shite because they're young, in Scottish football and have no football experience
Get better
Get good and maybe get a move to England
Get richer and lazy
Get shite because they're older
Get really shite and move back to Scottish Football or retire

No wonder the Scottish game is utter gubbins.

Im not going to smash you out of the park with this, but an argument could be made for both Maloney and Kenny Miller. Certainly Stephen Naismith ticks the boxes, Id love to have him even now...

Wasn't he held up as exactly the sort of player we should have been spending £8m on in January and he promptly went and scored once for Norwich between January and the end of the season?

I struggle to see which boxes he would be ticking.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on July 22, 2016, 01:10:29 PM: I agree Dave, despite the fact that we've been rubbish for years we still seem to have the knack of wasting money and bringing has-been's or never were's in to the squad, hence the need for a cull. Whilst I find our dealings painfully slow, I agree with the Doc that quality over quantity is the way to go.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 22, 2016, 01:22:38 PM: I'm not sure there is much scope to throw money at the problem. £20m players are unlikely to want to play in the championship and we're not short of numbers so buying ten players without a similar number leaving will just lead to a bloated squad.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on July 22, 2016, 01:28:52 PM: With Gil gone, hopefully that paves the way for a central midfielder to come in. I'd like to see two more before the Wednesday game to give us a shout of re-shaping the squad come August 31st.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: RussellC on July 22, 2016, 02:19:03 PM: Sky are reporting that Ulloa wants out Leicester. Not sure if he'd want to drop back down to The Championship but would be a great addition if he did.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: in exile on July 22, 2016, 02:21:29 PM: Quote from: RussellC on July 22, 2016, 02:19:03 PM
Sky are reporting that Ulloa wants out Leicester. Not sure if he'd want to drop back down to The Championship but would be a great addition if he did.

He's been linked to Swansea
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 22, 2016, 02:31:30 PM: Steve Bruce leaves Hull. But where to?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on July 22, 2016, 02:34:25 PM: Quote from: tomd2103 on July 22, 2016, 12:10:27 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on July 22, 2016, 11:34:46 AM
Quote from: FranzBiberkopf on July 22, 2016, 11:00:06 AM
Quote
amavi wide left
traore wide right
tshibola and a n other in the middle
grealish in a free role behind ayew

I'm not so sure. That is one of those lineups that could crash and burn badly. We still need some real steel/experience in there. A horrible, grizzled centre forward (in the mould of a Andy Carrol), a niggly centre midfielder (in the mould of a Joey Barton), plus two no nonsense fullbacks who can just defend. Other big gaping whole is set pieces - we have no-one who can take a freekick; no one who can take a corner (assjuming Gardener doesn't take up a midfield place).

we have two full backs in hutton and cissoko who are what they say on the tin, not wing backs but defenders who stop at the half way line
agree about central midfield hence the a n other, although gana if he stays would be fine

Sorry, but must have been watching a different Hutton for the past five seasons. Hutton does get forward, but his crosses never beat the first defender and he is then caught out of position and can't get back.

of course hutton gets forward, because he is told to do so and we have no natural width. you could throw a duvet over all of our midfield most of the time

playing with wingbacks for me is horrible to watch as on the one hand they have got to be good defensively and on the other they have got to be able to bomb on and put a decent cross in

then you have to rely on them getting back quickly or the midfield covering the gaps, this never happened and is one of the main reasons we got relegated

fullbacks told to just defend, natural width from your midfield and job done

as for richards, i had the misfortune of seeing him on the right hand side and can honestly say that in watching the villa for 40 years im struggling to think of a player with less positional sense
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: nuninho on July 22, 2016, 02:37:05 PM: Stupid question, but is the transfer window deadline the same date in the football league?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: RussellC on July 22, 2016, 02:39:11 PM: Quote from: Ads on July 22, 2016, 01:28:52 PM
With Gil gone, hopefully that paves the way for a central midfielder to come in. I'd like to see two more before the Wednesday game to give us a shout of re-shaping the squad come August 31st.

I wonder if (assuming he's still with us) we'll play Ayew there. I think he'd be quite suited to it. He certainly likes coming deeper to look for the ball and is good in possession in tight-spaces. Otherwise I think I'd be having a look at someone like Alex Pritchard who didn't really make an impact at WBA due to injury but looked a real prospect at Brentford in The Championship the season before.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on July 22, 2016, 02:43:04 PM: Quote from: RussellC on July 22, 2016, 02:19:03 PM
Sky are reporting that Ulloa wants out Leicester. Not sure if he'd want to drop back down to The Championship but would be a great addition if he did.

Very good player, I like him a lot.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: RussellC on July 22, 2016, 02:44:51 PM: Quote from: Clampy on July 22, 2016, 02:43:04 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 22, 2016, 02:19:03 PM
Sky are reporting that Ulloa wants out Leicester. Not sure if he'd want to drop back down to The Championship but would be a great addition if he did.

Very good player, I like him a lot.

I would imagine that a stumbling block for us (as well as persuading him to drop a division) would be his similarity in style to both Gestede and Kozak, although I would regard him as an upgrade on both.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: AVH87 on July 22, 2016, 02:49:27 PM: Quote from: RussellC on July 22, 2016, 02:44:51 PM
Quote from: Clampy on July 22, 2016, 02:43:04 PM
Quote from: RussellC on July 22, 2016, 02:19:03 PM
Sky are reporting that Ulloa wants out Leicester. Not sure if he'd want to drop back down to The Championship but would be a great addition if he did.

Very good player, I like him a lot.

I would imagine that a stumbling block for us (as well as persuading him to drop a division) would be his similarity in style to both Gestede and Kozak, although I would regard him as an upgrade on both.

Same age as McCormack, however I think he'd be a much better signing.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on July 22, 2016, 03:08:39 PM: With Gil gone I expect Ravel Morrison will sign if rumours are to be believed
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 22, 2016, 03:30:47 PM: Quote from: OCD on July 21, 2016, 11:31:05 PM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on July 21, 2016, 10:26:05 PM
Not fussed on McCormack.

We had similar in Bent who scored at a reasonable rate for 18 months but we weren't challenging the top 6 at anytime.

How different might things have been though if we had signed Bent instead of Heskey though?

Oh I agree. I suppose he was unlucky we lost Young and Downing within 6 months of him coming and we replaced them abysmally.

That said plenty of games when Bent would hardly figure...pretty sure West Ham away in Lambert's first game he touched the ball 8 times so similar to Gabby's performance at Spurs last season.

Would prefer Kodja or Bamford to getting McCormack in tbh.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 22, 2016, 03:33:58 PM: According to a few reports were going to hijack Norwich's move for McCormack
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: alan_clarke on July 22, 2016, 03:44:45 PM: Ravel Morrison has just started following the official AVFC Twitter account
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: in exile on July 22, 2016, 04:04:05 PM: Quote from: alan_clarke on July 22, 2016, 03:44:45 PM
Ravel Morrison has just started following the official AVFC Twitter account
He's trouble...
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 22, 2016, 04:08:31 PM: Quote from: alan_clarke on July 22, 2016, 03:44:45 PM
Ravel Morrison has just started following the official AVFC Twitter account

Does he follow many clubs ??
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 22, 2016, 04:20:15 PM: Quote from: in exile on July 22, 2016, 04:04:05 PM
Quote from: alan_clarke on July 22, 2016, 03:44:45 PM
Ravel Morrison has just started following the official AVFC Twitter account
He's trouble...

Ruh roh. That ones a wrong un.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 22, 2016, 05:10:56 PM: Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on July 22, 2016, 03:33:58 PM
According to a few reports were going to hijack Norwich's move for McCormack

Hope those reports are utter bollocks.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 22, 2016, 05:17:19 PM: Although the one plus side of signing him would be watching LTA try to find something negative to say about Villa doing exactly what he said they should do.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cheltenhamlion on July 22, 2016, 05:34:58 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 22, 2016, 05:17:19 PM
Although the one plus side of signing him would be watching LTA try to find something negative to say about Villa doing exactly what he said they should do.

I bet he would mind.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: atomicjam on July 22, 2016, 06:03:54 PM: @Dr_TonyXia Dr. Tony Xia
Ayew and Amavi will definitely stay! We'll get striker but be confident with the manager team knowing what to do!

A minute ago via Twitter...
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: johnny from donny on July 22, 2016, 06:18:13 PM: Quote from: atomicjam on July 22, 2016, 06:03:54 PM
@Dr_TonyXia Dr. Tony Xia
Ayew and Amavi will definitely stay! We'll get striker but be confident with the manager team knowing what to do!

A minute ago via Twitter...

No grey area in that statement! Got to love his confidence, he could have said something more cautious like "we will do our best to keep them" but the kind of confidence he's shown in that that tweet is refreshing to see.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oldtimernow on July 22, 2016, 06:21:48 PM: It's like signing 2 new players

;)
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: CT on July 22, 2016, 06:24:36 PM: Quote from: atomicjam on July 22, 2016, 06:03:54 PM
@Dr_TonyXia Dr. Tony Xia
Ayew and Amavi will definitely stay! We'll get striker but be confident with the manager team knowing what to do!

A minute ago via Twitter...

That's great and I hope it's true, but isn't it up to RDM whether they stay or not?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 22, 2016, 06:43:05 PM: I hope he's right. Otherwise he's going to look stupid
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on July 22, 2016, 06:44:06 PM: We will hold onto Ayew and Amavi like islands in the South China Sea.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 22, 2016, 07:04:23 PM: I admire Tony's strength of statement. I doubt he's just saying it for the sake of it.
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Post by: Lastfootstamper on July 22, 2016, 07:15:17 PM: I'm taking it as him saying we've no pressing need to cash in on two of our most valuable assets.
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Post by: Villafirst on July 22, 2016, 07:39:04 PM: Good to hear from our owner. I believe him, I'm sure financial incentives are involved. He does need to demonstrate his financial muscle with a marquee signing. That would show we mean business. How refreshing to have an owner connecting with the fanbase after years of ignorance from the pathetic previous owner.
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Post by: Steve67 on July 22, 2016, 08:20:18 PM: I bet there's a few agents running around like blue arsed flies to get deals done, particularly as some of the bomb squad won't be fancied by other clubs after their disgraceful showing and lack of effort last season. Any money we get is a bonus but I'd be happy to see the likes of Gabby, Bacuna, Lescott et al struggle to find a club and get paid off, knowing that they are free agents and will suffer for their behaviour. Unlikely I know, but one can hope.
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Post by: LTA on July 22, 2016, 09:07:13 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 22, 2016, 05:17:19 PM
Although the one plus side of signing him would be watching LTA try to find something negative to say about Villa doing exactly what he said they should do.

Doubt it. A proven goal scorer is exactly what we need. Lots of talk from the new owner, but our transfer business so far has been very underwhelming. Less talking and more action please.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 22, 2016, 09:08:51 PM: Quote from: LTA on July 22, 2016, 09:07:13 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 22, 2016, 05:17:19 PM
Although the one plus side of signing him would be watching LTA try to find something negative to say about Villa doing exactly what he said they should do.

Doubt it. A proven goal scorer is exactly what we need. Lots of talk from the new owner, but our transfer business so far has been very underwhelming. Less talking and more action please.

We've signed 3 players very quickly. He has acted. And why are those signings underwhelming? What exactly were you expecting? You do realize we are not in the PL right?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: LTA on July 22, 2016, 09:14:10 PM: Still a lot to do though TV. The three signings im happy with, particularly Elphick, who offers desperately needed leadership on the field, but i dont see this squad being promotion material at the moment. The middle looks week and im far from convinced about our goal scoring threat. Plus we have too many players who are not up to the rigours of a promotion campaign still here. Thats my main worry.

The season is very close now.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tuscans on July 22, 2016, 09:16:36 PM: Quote from: LTA on July 22, 2016, 09:14:10 PM
Still a lot to do though TV. The three signings im happy with, particularly Elphick, who offers desperately needed leadership on the field, but i dont see this squad being promotion material at the moment. The middle looks week and im far from convinced about our goal scoring threat.

The season is very close now.
The season maybe but the end of the transfer window isn't.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: AV89 on July 22, 2016, 09:17:02 PM: So in one post you say the signings are underwhelming and then the next your happy with them.

Make your bloody mind up.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: LTA on July 22, 2016, 09:21:28 PM: Quote from: AV89 on July 22, 2016, 09:17:02 PM
So in one post you say the signings are underwhelming and then the next your happy with them.

Make your bloody mind up.

The AMOUNT of business. Not the business.
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Post by: four fornicholl on July 22, 2016, 09:26:44 PM: Witch hunt?
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Post by: footyskillz on July 22, 2016, 11:29:24 PM: Strikers : emnes, vydra , nugent all do a job and less than over /priced McCormack. All played championship level and decent. The Bristol city signing would be good but a real statement would be loic remy even in loan
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Post by: KevinGage on July 23, 2016, 02:34:49 AM: Loic Remy? Pfft. Gotze, or GTF. Or BFH, as the Patron Saint of Speedboats might say.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on July 23, 2016, 07:14:20 AM: Quote from: LTA on July 22, 2016, 09:21:28 PM
Quote from: AV89 on July 22, 2016, 09:17:02 PM
So in one post you say the signings are underwhelming and then the next your happy with them.

Make your bloody mind up.

The AMOUNT of business. Not the business.

What would have been the point of him signing 5 or 6 players straight away without looking at the players he's already got first?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on July 23, 2016, 07:27:14 AM: Only a fool would plunge into the transfer market without having deep cleaned the dressing room. Having poor players was not the main reason we finished bottom with less than half the points of the team above us. The open warfare spilling out of the dressing room made us beyond bad. RDM, Clarke and Bond don't just need shirt fillers they need committed players of sound character and they don't grow on trees.
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Post by: Villafirst on July 23, 2016, 07:28:47 AM: RDM dragging his feet over a new striker. 2 weeks to go smacks of poor preparation. Are the promised funds really there??
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on July 23, 2016, 07:31:48 AM: Quote from: Villafirst on July 23, 2016, 07:28:47 AM
RDM dragging his feet over a new striker. 2 weeks to go smacks of poor preparation. Are the promised funds really there??

You making out as if we haven't spent any money at all and you're being ridiculous.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on July 23, 2016, 07:38:06 AM: Quote from: Villafirst on July 23, 2016, 07:28:47 AM
RDM dragging his feet over a new striker. 2 weeks to go smacks of poor preparation. Are the promised funds really there??

Maybe he is sizing up the market? Perhaps waiting for business to be done elsewhere so we can pick the bones of another club who may have surplus stock. We are promised a striker, or two. I am the world's most impatient Villa fan and want things to happen every day in the ins and outs column, but this is all rather exciting. I trust this manager, he has a point to prove, takes no shit and will get us up. At the moment we have probably three quarters of a team, he will build the rest over the next five weeks.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Mister E on July 23, 2016, 07:41:14 AM: The window closes at the end of August, so do not expect all our transfer activity to be done before the season starts.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 23, 2016, 07:44:09 AM: To be fair, some of the remaining pieces of the puzzle could also be bought in January, once we've seen what Gardner/Traore and players of that ilk can do. I'd prefer to build in a way, i.e. planned and sustainable, that doesn't prevent us from buying in the future both financially and because the squad is too bloated.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on July 23, 2016, 07:49:43 AM: I'd like to see a striker in before the Wednesday game and a few more leave. I think we're a dynamic central player light too.

Plenty of time between now and the windows end. I think RDM has done a good job of ideas identifying what we need in a short space of time.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on July 23, 2016, 07:53:35 AM: Quote from: Villafirst on July 23, 2016, 07:28:47 AM
RDM dragging his feet over a new striker. 2 weeks to go smacks of poor preparation. Are the promised funds really there??

As of last week we'd spent more gross than anybody else in the league. That may not have changed either.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 23, 2016, 07:55:32 AM: Quote from: Ads on July 23, 2016, 07:49:43 AM
Plenty of time between now and the windows end. I think RDM has done a good job of ideas identifying what we need in a short space of time.

He's also identified players that practically no one had a clue about 3 months ago. This suggests that they're all known to him (and Clarke) and were lined up ready for the right club (or he has a very very random approach).
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on July 23, 2016, 08:01:19 AM: He's added leadership to the dressing room and an organising presence to the back line which on paper, looks fine to me; Amavi, Elphick, Okore, Hutton.

Guzan has lost the number 1 spot and he's brought in size and legs into the central midfield. The kid can obviously play a bit too.

Crespo (who?) has gone, the ineffectual Gil too (Ravel Morrison coming in?!) and it seems a genuine possibility that Richards may follow and for an actual fee too! We are going to turn a profit on the crisp packet wafting around the pitch known as Scott Sinclair. Another none contributor Veretout is off.

Not bad in 8 weeks and clearly there is more to come in and more to go.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: avfcpg on July 23, 2016, 08:07:27 AM: We can't fix the mess we got into over the last 6 years over a few months, its' too deep.
New owner, new board, new manager, new coaches, some players gone, some players in...i'd say it's been more than good so far.
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Post by: peter w on July 23, 2016, 08:11:07 AM: I agree. It may be that we need to stabilise this season - how many seasons have we said that now? - before pushing on the season after. lokk for a solid platform to spring from. That could take a couple of seasons at best.
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Post by: Dave on July 23, 2016, 08:15:35 AM: Quote from: Ads on July 23, 2016, 07:53:35 AM
Quote from: Villafirst on July 23, 2016, 07:28:47 AM
RDM dragging his feet over a new striker. 2 weeks to go smacks of poor preparation. Are the promised funds really there??

As of last week we'd spent more gross than anybody else in the league. That may not have changed either.

Net. Newcastle are comfortably on more than us gross.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on July 23, 2016, 08:19:39 AM: Its easy to forget because we're Villa fans that the type of forward that we can attract is not what we previously envisaged. The likes of Morrison (who is more suited to that lot at the Vomitorium), McCormack, the Bristol City kid is where we are. Other than that it'd be a Premier League forward on his way down. All those will have more than one team vying for his signature so that slows down the process. Plus selling clubs are likely to be wanting to organise replacements before selling key assets. At this time of the season selling players is like buying a house in that you can be involved in a chain.
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Post by: olaftab on July 23, 2016, 08:24:48 AM: Liverpool continue to bank roll Newcastle having just paid then £25M for Wijnaldum. If he is worth that I am sure we can get £5 for Richards.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on July 23, 2016, 08:43:56 AM: Quote from: Dave on July 23, 2016, 08:15:35 AM
Quote from: Ads on July 23, 2016, 07:53:35 AM
Quote from: Villafirst on July 23, 2016, 07:28:47 AM
RDM dragging his feet over a new striker. 2 weeks to go smacks of poor preparation. Are the promised funds really there??

As of last week we'd spent more gross than anybody else in the league. That may not have changed either.

Net. Newcastle are comfortably on more than us gross.

Durh. In my defence I've been up since 5, having been up at 4 and 2 with my wee one.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on July 23, 2016, 08:45:48 AM: Quote from: olaftab on July 23, 2016, 08:24:48 AM
Liverpool continue to bank roll Newcastle having just paid then £25M for Wijnaldum. If he is worth that I am sure we can get £5 for Richards.

It's a good thing. The more of their better Premier League players they sell the better.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 23, 2016, 08:48:45 AM: Quote from: Ads on July 23, 2016, 08:45:48 AM
Quote from: olaftab on July 23, 2016, 08:24:48 AM
Liverpool continue to bank roll Newcastle having just paid then £25M for Wijnaldum. If he is worth that I am sure we can get £5 for Richards.

It's a good thing. The more of their better Premier League players they sell the better.

Hopefully it is a fire sale to balance the books rather than a strategic move to reinvest the money. That you-tube fat gordie guy hated Wijnaldum, calling him the classic highlights player, or words to that effect, so they may have wanted shot of him anyway.
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Post by: MoetVillan on July 23, 2016, 09:54:42 AM: £5 for Richards seems a bit steep
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Post by: LeeB on July 23, 2016, 10:14:41 AM: Quote from: MoetVillan on July 23, 2016, 09:54:42 AM
£5 for Richards seems a bit steep

But this is a world where James Tomkins costs you £10m.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: passport1 on July 23, 2016, 10:16:05 AM: Are there any car boot sales near to Bodymoor Heath that RDM could attend. Its the way most people get rid of there unwanted rubbish. £5 sounds about right.
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Post by: mr underhill on July 23, 2016, 10:16:52 AM: Don't think Richards is a DM type of player
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Post by: Stirchley Villain on July 23, 2016, 10:35:55 AM: Karim Benzama according to the mail online!!
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Post by: PaulWinch again on July 23, 2016, 10:39:17 AM: Karim Benzema what?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Zouch Villa on July 23, 2016, 10:43:32 AM: Quote from: passport1 on July 23, 2016, 10:16:05 AM
Are there any car boot sales near to Bodymoor Heath that RDM could attend. Its the way most people get rid of there unwanted rubbish. £5 sounds about right.

Jeez, come on guys stop talking nonsense.

Anyone who knows anything about the psychology of the retail price point would know we should go with £4.99 to dupe anyone to part with their hard earned readies.
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Post by: in exile on July 23, 2016, 10:46:07 AM: Quote from: mr underhill on July 23, 2016, 10:16:52 AM
Don't think Richards is a DM type of player
Maybe not, but he might get an England call up
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on July 23, 2016, 11:02:15 AM: Quote from: Mister E on July 23, 2016, 07:41:14 AM
The window closes at the end of August, so do not expect all our transfer activity to be done before the season starts.

I think that is a pretty pertinent point. We'll have played six games by then (5 league + 1 cup) so the management team will have been able to have a decent look at the squad. I maybe wrong, but aren't the football league loan rules different to the Premier League ones and the loan window remains open for a while after 'Jim White day'.
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Post by: TheMalandro on July 23, 2016, 11:02:23 AM: Quote from: Stirchley Villain on July 23, 2016, 10:35:55 AM
Karim Benzama according to the mail online!!

Somebody is on acid
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 23, 2016, 11:04:18 AM: whilst looking at the stars
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Post by: darren woolley on July 23, 2016, 11:23:06 AM: We could give Richards free to a good home.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on July 23, 2016, 11:56:02 AM: I've read elsewhere that Veretout didn't show up for his medical at Marsailles.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: in exile on July 23, 2016, 12:04:28 PM: Quote from: Ads on July 23, 2016, 11:56:02 AM
I've read elsewhere that Veretout didn't show up for his medical at Marsailles.
Can you post a link to it?
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Post by: eamonn on July 23, 2016, 12:14:43 PM: Since when have we agreed a fee with them?
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Post by: mr underhill on July 23, 2016, 12:34:42 PM: we haven't but Real Betis have expressed interest and he prefers that option according to several media sources.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 23, 2016, 12:46:46 PM: Shame, I thought Vertout would have been great for us this season. A French Frank Carrodus.
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Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on July 23, 2016, 12:56:47 PM: Quote from: Ads on July 23, 2016, 11:56:02 AM
I've read elsewhere that Veretout didn't show up for his medical at Marsailles.

Having spoken to someone who lives in the same apartment block as him, it's no major surprise. He described him as incredibly half soaked and arrogant.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 23, 2016, 12:57:14 PM: It's got to be challenging for the manager not knowing entirely what his squad will once the season starts or once the window closes. Right now we are in that volatile stage where several deals both in and out are being offered, negotiated or finalized. It's why I don't know that we will start really well, but after a month or two we will settle in and close the gap to the top. It's not how we start but how we build and finish. We should have enough to get promoted in my opinion but it will come together over the season. Newcastle for me are more settled and will win the division. We'll be second.
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Post by: tomd2103 on July 23, 2016, 01:51:18 PM: Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 23, 2016, 12:57:14 PM
It's got to be challenging for the manager not knowing entirely what his squad will once the season starts or once the window closes. Right now we are in that volatile stage where several deals both in and out are being offered, negotiated or finalized. It's why I don't know that we will start really well, but after a month or two we will settle in and close the gap to the top. It's not how we start but how we build and finish. We should have enough to get promoted in my opinion but it will come together over the season. Newcastle for me are more settled and will win the division. We'll be second.

Agree TV and I would have thought that a new manager will always wonder if he can get the best out of players who have previously under performed. It probably takes some a while to work out exactly what they have got.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on July 23, 2016, 01:58:35 PM: I don't necessarily disagree that Newcastle are in better shape, or, are expected by the media to go back up. But, they really aren't that great. Poor defensively and whilst they have money burning a hole in their pocket, might not be any better at bringing quality in than ourselves. I'd like to think that we are the bigger pull? That said, loads of work for RDM to do yet.
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Post by: andyh on July 23, 2016, 02:08:40 PM: deleted, hoax story i think
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Post by: Clampy on July 23, 2016, 02:20:20 PM: I'd have liked to seen us get another season out of Veretout, I think there was something there if we'd played him further forward.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on July 23, 2016, 02:31:15 PM: I'd have liked to have seen him under a competent manager.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on July 23, 2016, 02:49:43 PM: Quote from: Clampy on July 23, 2016, 02:20:20 PM
I'd have liked to seen us get another season out of Veretout, I think there was something there if we'd played him further forward.

agree with that, think he has an eye for a pass, would like to see him playing behind a decent striker

he also never looked match fit (along with half the team) get that addressed and he will be okay
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Holtemeister on July 23, 2016, 02:54:24 PM: Ordinarily I would have agreed that the way a team finishes is more important than how it starts but for us a poor start will revert players and fans back to type of last season. We desperately need a flyer of a start.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: in exile on July 23, 2016, 04:56:10 PM: Quote from: darren woolley on July 23, 2016, 11:23:06 AM
We could give Richards free to a good home.
I'd give him free to a bad one
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Post by: Tony Erdington on July 23, 2016, 07:54:24 PM: Quote from: Holtemeister on July 23, 2016, 02:54:24 PM
Ordinarily I would have agreed that the way a team finishes is more important than how it starts but for us a poor start will revert players and fans back to type of last season. We desperately need a flyer of a start.

gets a yes from me
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on July 23, 2016, 08:39:51 PM: I'd take a solid start giving us the chance to bed players in
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villafirst on July 24, 2016, 07:01:52 AM: RDM needs a new striker and fast. Even if we have to pay over the odds, the potential rewards are worth it. Very disappointed with the line up in Nantes. Once again, like Black, he left the creativity on the bench in Grealish. I don't get it.
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Post by: olaftab on July 24, 2016, 07:42:30 AM: Vertout could become our Pogba!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: olaftab on July 24, 2016, 07:46:50 AM: Quote from: in exile on July 23, 2016, 04:56:10 PM
Quote from: darren woolley on July 23, 2016, 11:23:06 AM
We could give Richards free to a good home.
I'd give him free to a bad one
I would drive him to either the Sty or the Thornbush.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on July 24, 2016, 07:55:30 AM: i would hope that the next two games see us start with our strongest starting 11

midfield still looks woefully short
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KRS on July 24, 2016, 09:35:04 AM: Quote from: Villafirst on July 24, 2016, 07:01:52 AM
RDM needs a new striker and fast. Even if we have to pay over the odds, the potential rewards are worth it. Very disappointed with the line up in Nantes. Once again, like Black, he left the creativity on the bench in Grealish. I don't get it.
I agree that a new striker really should be on the "urgent" transfer targets list, but the lineups in these friendlies are about RDM seeing the players in action and giving as many players as possible some game time. At the end of the day, he can't decide who to keep and who not to keep if he doesn't see them play. You could even argue that Grealish needs less game time than some of the others as he would already been identified as being one of the better players that he wants to keep.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on July 24, 2016, 10:11:37 AM: Quote from: Villafirst on July 24, 2016, 07:01:52 AM
RDM needs a new striker and fast. Even if we have to pay over the odds, the potential rewards are worth it.

But it depends who that striker is. It's not as simple as just paying over the odds, it's whether the selling club will let him go. They are working on a deal so they obviously know who they want.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on July 24, 2016, 10:15:15 AM: If it takes to the end of August to get the right striker, so be it. Not ideal obviously. But it was about this time last year that we went on an exciting trolley dash across Europe and look how that turned out
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on July 24, 2016, 10:18:10 AM: Quote from: Matt Collins on July 24, 2016, 10:15:15 AM
If it takes to the end of August to get the right striker, so be it. Not ideal obviously. But it was about this time last year that we went on an exciting trolley dash across Europe and look how that turned out

That's exactly what I was thinking the other day. All these people who think Dr Tony should be splashing the cash should remember last season.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on July 24, 2016, 11:27:33 AM: That Jonathan Kodjia chap has apparently said on instagram 'I think about my future'. Sounds like he's had his head turned.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on July 24, 2016, 11:29:51 AM: Yeah I saw that too.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on July 24, 2016, 11:53:36 AM: Quote from: Clampy on July 24, 2016, 11:27:33 AM
That Jonathan Kodjia chap has apparently said on instagram 'I think about my future'. Sounds like he's had his head turned.

Perhaps agent Baker has had a word!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on July 24, 2016, 12:04:22 PM: Of all the strikers we've been linked to, kodjia is the one that looks closest to what I think we need

McCormack looks more like a replacement for ayew

But I haven't seen anywhere near enough of either to be confident about that. I thought gestede would do well until I saw him play live and I haven't changed my view of him since
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on July 24, 2016, 01:02:37 PM: I am coming round to the view that Rudy Gestede is never going to get any better and that his goals scored at Blackburn were a flash in the pan. A good person but every bit as responsible for our plight last season as the shits.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on July 24, 2016, 01:09:15 PM: It was his only goalscoring spell in his career. To get the best out of him you'd presumably have to be prepared not to involve him in the build up too much, and play with wide players who swing it into the box regularly

A sub option for me
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: godzvilla on July 24, 2016, 01:10:17 PM: Quite a few news outlets ( including the local rag ) reporting this morning that Spuds are in for our Andre Green....

" Tottenham Hotspur are understood to have taken an interest in Aston Villa teenager Andre Green.

The 17-year-old winger made his senior debut for Villa in a 2-0 Premier League defeat to Spurs last season and caught the eye of Mauricio Pochettino, the Birmingham Mail cites The Mirror as claiming.

Green was given his first-team breakthrough by Remi Garde but is also said to be highly rated by new Villans manager Roberto Di Matteo, who plans to feature him in the Championship this season.

But he might not get that opportunity because the Birmingham Mail reckons that Pochettino is now monitoring the teenager closely and could sanction Tottenham to make a swoop this summer.

Pochettino has already worked wonders at White Hart Lane when signing young English talent from outside of the Premier League. Dele Alli and Eric Dier have become integral players for club and country.

And although Green is a local lad – he has come through the Villa academy at Bodymoor Heath – the chance to work with a manager of Pochettino’s reputation may be too good to turn down " .

Wishful thinking on behalf of the Londoners I believe , it´s funny how we fans probably don´t realise how good a player we´ve got on your hands...until a big Club takes an interest in them . We dearly need to keep hold of Greene, R.H.Murphy, Grealish et al....they are our future, and it is certainly bright!...Godzvilla!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 24, 2016, 01:19:04 PM: £15mil please :)
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 24, 2016, 01:19:46 PM: Rudy had very nearly a 1 in 2 ratio with Blackburn between 2014-5, far from shabby, but like Brian, to me, it's looking like a distinct spike in an otherwise unimpressive career.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on July 24, 2016, 02:11:41 PM: Quote from: godzvilla on July 24, 2016, 01:10:17 PM
Quite a few news outlets ( including the local rag ) reporting this morning that Spuds are in for our Andre Green....

" Tottenham Hotspur are understood to have taken an interest in Aston Villa teenager Andre Green.

The 17-year-old winger made his senior debut for Villa in a 2-0 Premier League defeat to Spurs last season and caught the eye of Mauricio Pochettino, the Birmingham Mail cites The Mirror as claiming.

Green was given his first-team breakthrough by Remi Garde but is also said to be highly rated by new Villans manager Roberto Di Matteo, who plans to feature him in the Championship this season.

But he might not get that opportunity because the Birmingham Mail reckons that Pochettino is now monitoring the teenager closely and could sanction Tottenham to make a swoop this summer.

Pochettino has already worked wonders at White Hart Lane when signing young English talent from outside of the Premier League. Dele Alli and Eric Dier have become integral players for club and country.

And although Green is a local lad – he has come through the Villa academy at Bodymoor Heath – the chance to work with a manager of Pochettino’s reputation may be too good to turn down " .

Wishful thinking on behalf of the Londoners I believe , it´s funny how we fans probably don´t realise how good a player we´ve got on your hands...until a big Club takes an interest in them . We dearly need to keep hold of Greene, R.H.Murphy, Grealish et al....they are our future, and it is certainly bright!...Godzvilla!

There have been rumours before about other teams being interested in Green. I'm sure I heard Ray Wilkins say in an interview a few months ago that him and Sherwood did not want Traore as they felt Green was more of a prospect than him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tuscans on July 24, 2016, 02:39:07 PM: Quote from: tomd2103 on July 24, 2016, 02:11:41 PM
Quote from: godzvilla on July 24, 2016, 01:10:17 PM
Quite a few news outlets ( including the local rag ) reporting this morning that Spuds are in for our Andre Green....

" Tottenham Hotspur are understood to have taken an interest in Aston Villa teenager Andre Green.

The 17-year-old winger made his senior debut for Villa in a 2-0 Premier League defeat to Spurs last season and caught the eye of Mauricio Pochettino, the Birmingham Mail cites The Mirror as claiming.

Green was given his first-team breakthrough by Remi Garde but is also said to be highly rated by new Villans manager Roberto Di Matteo, who plans to feature him in the Championship this season.

But he might not get that opportunity because the Birmingham Mail reckons that Pochettino is now monitoring the teenager closely and could sanction Tottenham to make a swoop this summer.

Pochettino has already worked wonders at White Hart Lane when signing young English talent from outside of the Premier League. Dele Alli and Eric Dier have become integral players for club and country.

And although Green is a local lad – he has come through the Villa academy at Bodymoor Heath – the chance to work with a manager of Pochettino’s reputation may be too good to turn down " .

Wishful thinking on behalf of the Londoners I believe , it´s funny how we fans probably don´t realise how good a player we´ve got on your hands...until a big Club takes an interest in them . We dearly need to keep hold of Greene, R.H.Murphy, Grealish et al....they are our future, and it is certainly bright!...Godzvilla!

There have been rumours before about other teams being interested in Green. I'm sure I heard Ray Wilkins say in an interview a few months ago that him and Sherwood did not want Traore as they felt Green was more of a prospect than him.

Still can't make up my mind on Traore. The skill and pace is their but he must be so frustrating to play alongside with his greediness and trying to beat the 4 men too many, never busting a gut to get the ball he lost back.

Maybe Green being not as fast and tricky has more a simple game and a different mentality but I need to see more of both. Could be a game or two where both start on each flank?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tuscans on July 24, 2016, 02:40:56 PM: Quote from: Clampy on July 24, 2016, 11:27:33 AM
That Jonathan Kodjia chap has apparently said on instagram 'I think about my future'. Sounds like he's had his head turned.
Boro apparently looking at him today.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 24, 2016, 03:00:11 PM: Quote from: brian green on July 24, 2016, 01:02:37 PM
I am coming round to the view that Rudy Gestede is never going to get any better and that his goals scored at Blackburn were a flash in the pan. A good person but every bit as responsible for our plight last season as the shits.

Brian, he thrives on a very specific type of service. I barely saw any decent crosses yesterday and the main provider when we did see a glimpse of what he can do is still on the sidelines. So if we play a certain way I think he can be productive in the Championship. It really comes down to whether or not RDM wants us to play a style that gets the most out of him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tuscans on July 24, 2016, 03:13:00 PM: Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 24, 2016, 03:00:11 PM
Quote from: brian green on July 24, 2016, 01:02:37 PM
I am coming round to the view that Rudy Gestede is never going to get any better and that his goals scored at Blackburn were a flash in the pan. A good person but every bit as responsible for our plight last season as the shits.

Brian, he thrives on a very specific type of service. I barely saw any decent crosses yesterday and the main provider when we did see a glimpse of what he can do is still on the sidelines. So if we play a certain way I think he can be productive in the Championship. It really comes down to whether or not RDM wants us to play a style that gets the most out of him.
Yeah didn't most his goals if not all of them come from good Amavi crosses, Amavi is then out for the season and Gestede looks pony. I think he's garbage on the deck but any ball in the air for him to attack then he's not far behind Carroll and Benteke for me ... but that's about it.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on July 24, 2016, 03:27:48 PM: I don't think his all round game is good enough to justify structuring our entire attacking plan around him. We need a natural goal scorer who gets scruffy goals off his backside. Rudy Gestede has had every possible chance to prove he is more than a cross converter. I really hope I am wrong but I think he is of very limited value to the team.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 24, 2016, 03:34:02 PM: Quote from: brian green on July 24, 2016, 03:27:48 PM
I don't think his all round game is good enough to justify structuring our entire attacking plan around him. We need a natural goal scorer who gets scruffy goals off his backside. Rudy Gestede has had every possible chance to prove he is more than a cross converter. I really hope I am wrong but I think he is of very limited value to the team.

Ah that's a different argument and I agree. What he offers is the versatility should wish to switch things up and play that way. Championship football can be lot less refined and at times it might take a more direct approach in games to get a win. Or better explained that approach might be more effective in this league than in the PL. I certainly wouldn't want Gestede or even Kozak for that matter being our main striking options for the season.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on July 24, 2016, 03:34:52 PM: I only really see Gestede as the guy you bring on with 20-30 minutes left to make tired defenders even more uncomfortable (any longer and he stands around), or in games where banging in a whole bunch of crosses is the best strategy. If he could actually had any stamina and work-rate for 60+ minutes, he'd be perfectly useful even with his limited footballing ability, but he doesn't, which basically renders him a far shittier version of Darren Bent.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 24, 2016, 03:57:23 PM: Aside from Liverpool away I think Rudy's best performances for us have come for us as a sub so surely that should be his role at the club.

When the new strikers come it will be him and Ayew surely with Gestede the last half hour option, he scored v Leicester and Everton in this role and also had a terrific game up at Newcastle when he came on.

He'll stay as he's above kozak in the pecking order for immobile awkward strikers.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 24, 2016, 04:04:20 PM: rumours today that we are interested in Nantes's Yacine Bammou, a forward who's goal scoring record makes Rudy look prolific
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 24, 2016, 04:04:49 PM: For someone said to be so good in the air, Gestede doesn't seem to win many aerial duels.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 24, 2016, 04:09:40 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 24, 2016, 04:04:49 PM
For someone said to be so good in the air, Gestede doesn't seem to win many aerial duels.

He's not very good with his back to goal or winning flicks. What he's good at is attacking balls from well delivered crosses. The Blackburn montage is evidence of where he is good. However it makes him very one dimensional and limited in how we can use him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KRS on July 24, 2016, 04:11:10 PM: ...and even more limited when no one in the team can deliver those types of crosses.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on July 24, 2016, 05:21:45 PM: Quote from: KRS on July 24, 2016, 04:11:10 PM
...and even more limited when no one in the team can deliver those types of crosses.

which begs the question why start him when we don't have a single decent crosser in the starting 11
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 24, 2016, 05:28:01 PM: Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on July 24, 2016, 05:21:45 PM
Quote from: KRS on July 24, 2016, 04:11:10 PM
...and even more limited when no one in the team can deliver those types of crosses.

which begs the question why start him when we don't have a single decent crosser in the starting 11

because Kozak and Gabby were injured maybe?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on July 24, 2016, 05:48:40 PM: Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 24, 2016, 05:28:01 PM
Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on July 24, 2016, 05:21:45 PM
Quote from: KRS on July 24, 2016, 04:11:10 PM
...and even more limited when no one in the team can deliver those types of crosses.

which begs the question why start him when we don't have a single decent crosser in the starting 11

because Kozak and Gabby were injured maybe?

and what about our other striking options, Ayew could play up top, we also have several under 21s who HAVE to be better all round players ? what's the point of playing someone that's of absolutely no use in the system we played ?

i watched that match yesterday and i'm struggling to think of a single thing he did other than tap it in
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on July 24, 2016, 05:58:40 PM: Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on July 24, 2016, 05:48:40 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 24, 2016, 05:28:01 PM
Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on July 24, 2016, 05:21:45 PM
Quote from: KRS on July 24, 2016, 04:11:10 PM
...and even more limited when no one in the team can deliver those types of crosses.

which begs the question why start him when we don't have a single decent crosser in the starting 11

because Kozak and Gabby were injured maybe?

and what about our other striking options, Ayew could play up top, we also have several under 21s who HAVE to be better all round players ?

Four days ago we played a friendly where we did both of those things.

Today we tried something different which didn't sound particularly successful.

But then, that's what these friendlies have been arranged for.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 24, 2016, 07:36:33 PM: According to the Doc we are waving goodbye to 3-4 players next week.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: saunders_heroes on July 24, 2016, 07:42:00 PM: Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 24, 2016, 07:36:33 PM
According to the Doc we are waving goodbye to 3-4 players next week.

Let's hope there's going to be some coming in because I've not been impressed so far, and I certainly wouldn't want to go into next season with the squad we have now.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on July 24, 2016, 07:46:18 PM: Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 24, 2016, 07:36:33 PM
According to the Doc we are waving goodbye to 3-4 players next week.

Celtic fans seem to think that Sinclair will be tied up tomorrow for £3m plus another £1.5m in add-ons.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on July 24, 2016, 07:47:34 PM: I'm fairly happy so far. I thought a few might have left before now but seeing as he's got player in before deciding to let people go, that's fine by me.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ger Regan on July 24, 2016, 07:57:29 PM: Quote from: saunders_heroes on July 24, 2016, 07:42:00 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 24, 2016, 07:36:33 PM
According to the Doc we are waving goodbye to 3-4 players next week.

Let's hope there's going to be some coming in because I've not been impressed so far, and I certainly wouldn't want to go into next season with the squad we have now.
To be fair, i don't think anyone hopes (or even expects) that the three in so far will be our lot for this window.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on July 24, 2016, 07:58:32 PM: Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 24, 2016, 07:36:33 PM
According to the Doc we are waving goodbye to 3-4 players next week.

He may be enthusiastic but I wish he would stop using twitter to inform us of club buisness.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: four fornicholl on July 24, 2016, 08:01:16 PM: Me too, smacks of very unprofessional in my opinion
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on July 24, 2016, 08:02:50 PM: The way of the world I'm afraid Ron. Not ideal but infinitely preferable to the secrecy of his predecessor.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Goldie.7 on July 24, 2016, 08:04:42 PM: He won't be on it for long.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on July 24, 2016, 08:07:30 PM: I can't say i'm keen on it either. You only have to read some of the comments from some of the impatient simpleton's who leave posts on the official club's facebook page to see the kind of abuse he's likely to get if we lose a game or two or don't sign a player.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 24, 2016, 08:25:29 PM: If you look at his Twitter history (the fucking Jimmy Saville one aside) he's been pretty measured in his responses. He doesn't give a ton away and they are quite vague or non specific in nature. Even the one about the players leaving, it's not like he's saying who just that he's confirming players will leave. Something the manager has said all along is one of his goals. I like it personally that he is engaging with fans. It has to be monitored and hopefully he is clever enough to only respond in generalities overall.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Edvard Remberg on July 24, 2016, 09:20:37 PM: Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

This is the way of the world. People will find things to get offended by - no matter what he says or does
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on July 24, 2016, 09:27:26 PM: Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 24, 2016, 04:09:40 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 24, 2016, 04:04:49 PM
For someone said to be so good in the air, Gestede doesn't seem to win many aerial duels.

He's not very good with his back to goal or winning flicks. What he's good at is attacking balls from well delivered crosses. The Blackburn montage is evidence of where he is good. However it makes him very one dimensional and limited in how we can use him.

100% right

for a big bloke he has no physical presence and cant hold play up and makes us far too predictable

a sub at best
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: OCD on July 24, 2016, 09:27:27 PM: Like TV, I think he's got the right level at the moment. He's not being totally detached but neither is he sharing valuable club information. He's only young (39 or 41 if I recall) so he's a modern businessman and is obviously more tech savvy.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: garyshawsknee on July 24, 2016, 09:39:06 PM: Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on July 24, 2016, 09:27:26 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 24, 2016, 04:09:40 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 24, 2016, 04:04:49 PM
For someone said to be so good in the air, Gestede doesn't seem to win many aerial duels.

He's not very good with his back to goal or winning flicks. What he's good at is attacking balls from well delivered crosses. The Blackburn montage is evidence of where he is good. However it makes him very one dimensional and limited in how we can use him.

100% right

for a big bloke he has no physical presence and cant hold play up and makes us far too predictable

a sub at best

He has no movement at all, which doesn't create space for our midfield, which made us so predictable and easy to play against last season. I really hope we get a mobile forward who has awareness and the ability to find space.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on July 24, 2016, 09:42:24 PM: Quote from: garyshawsknee on July 24, 2016, 09:39:06 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on July 24, 2016, 09:27:26 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 24, 2016, 04:09:40 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 24, 2016, 04:04:49 PM
For someone said to be so good in the air, Gestede doesn't seem to win many aerial duels.

He's not very good with his back to goal or winning flicks. What he's good at is attacking balls from well delivered crosses. The Blackburn montage is evidence of where he is good. However it makes him very one dimensional and limited in how we can use him.

100% right

for a big bloke he has no physical presence and cant hold play up and makes us far too predictable

a sub at best

He has no movement at all, which doesn't create space for our midfield, which made us so predictable and easy to play against last season. I really hope we get a mobile forward who has awareness and the ability to find space.

An absolute must really. We haven't had a forward like that since Robbie Keane came on loan.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: eamonn on July 24, 2016, 10:32:52 PM: Jimmy Savile ?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on July 24, 2016, 10:50:12 PM: 3-4 out this week? Must be Veretout, Sanchez, Sinclair, maybe Guzan?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Des Little on July 24, 2016, 10:51:14 PM: Sinclair looks sure to go
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villafirst on July 24, 2016, 10:58:17 PM: Maybe Bamford this week? Surely Chelsea owe RDM a favour for winning the Champions League?!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: OCD on July 24, 2016, 11:26:55 PM: Quote from: Newby on July 24, 2016, 10:50:12 PM
3-4 out this week? Must be Veretout, Sanchez, Sinclair, maybe Guzan?

Richards? The deal was nearly done before Allardyce took the England job. Maybe Moyes wants the deal completed? Or maybe someone else is in for him? There must be someone who thinks he could be a good player in the right set-up.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mattjpa on July 25, 2016, 07:58:11 AM: I would say it is most likely to be players who didnt feature heavily against Nantes. Sinclair seems definate
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: johnny from donny on July 25, 2016, 08:31:48 AM: Quote from: eamonn on July 24, 2016, 10:32:52 PM
Jimmy Savile ?

Some idiot tweeted him a picture and asked for a happy birthday, Tony (obviously not knowing who it was ) tweeted back Happy birthday UNCLE Jimmy.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: godzvilla on July 25, 2016, 09:22:20 AM: Quote from: OCD on July 24, 2016, 11:26:55 PM
Quote from: Newby on July 24, 2016, 10:50:12 PM
3-4 out this week? Must be Veretout, Sanchez, Sinclair, maybe Guzan?

Richards? The deal was nearly done before Allardyce took the England job. Maybe Moyes wants the deal completed? Or maybe someone else is in for him? There must be someone who thinks he could be a good player in the right set-up.
Local Rag now saying Sunderland ready to Richards meet buy-out / release clause ( & offer N´Zogbia a contract )...it´s a funny old world but God bless those Sunderland philanthropists , I say ..................................Godzvilla!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 25, 2016, 09:36:24 AM: Quote from: godzvilla on July 25, 2016, 09:22:20 AM
Quote from: OCD on July 24, 2016, 11:26:55 PM
Quote from: Newby on July 24, 2016, 10:50:12 PM
3-4 out this week? Must be Veretout, Sanchez, Sinclair, maybe Guzan?

Richards? The deal was nearly done before Allardyce took the England job. Maybe Moyes wants the deal completed? Or maybe someone else is in for him? There must be someone who thinks he could be a good player in the right set-up.
Local Rag now saying Sunderland ready to Richards meet buy-out / release clause ( & offer N´Zogbia a contract )...it´s a funny old world but God bless those Sunderland philanthropists , I say ..................................Godzvilla!

and people wanted Moyes
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: AVH87 on July 25, 2016, 11:16:23 AM: If we make a profit on Sinclair after buying him for £2.5m we've done well, as he's utterly anonymous. Hopefully Richards and Guzan will be out the door this week too.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 25, 2016, 11:23:13 AM: just read elsewhere that Sanchez can't agree salary with OM so the deal's off. Has anyone got anything else on this? Is Veretout still going on loan?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Bottom Right 89 on July 25, 2016, 01:36:53 PM: Quote from: mr underhill on July 25, 2016, 11:23:13 AM
just read elsewhere that Sanchez can't agree salary with OM so the deal's off. Has anyone got anything else on this? Is Veretout still going on loan?
If Marseille showed an interest as long as it was over the minimum wage you wouldn't haggle you'd just go. Given last seasons horror show I doubt Carlos is going to get a better gig than this. Imagine Mrs Sanchez would also be chomping at the bit to swap Kingstanding for the south of France. OM have obviously had a look and thought better of it. I like him and hope he stays with us now.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 25, 2016, 01:41:05 PM: Quote from: Bottom Right 89 on July 25, 2016, 01:36:53 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on July 25, 2016, 11:23:13 AM
just read elsewhere that Sanchez can't agree salary with OM so the deal's off. Has anyone got anything else on this? Is Veretout still going on loan?
If Marseille showed an interest as long as it was over the minimum wage you wouldn't haggle you'd just go. Given last seasons horror show I doubt Carlos is going to get a better gig than this. Imagine Mrs Sanchez would also be chomping at the bit to swap Kingstanding for the south of France. OM have obviously had a look and thought better of it. I like him and hope he stays with us now.

Greedy useless cnut
And not all Kingstanding is bad (just most of it) :)
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Gareth on July 25, 2016, 01:47:10 PM: More likely Marseille saying they'll pay X and if you want it topping up negotiate a pay off with Villa
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on July 25, 2016, 01:54:04 PM: Sanchez is shit, he can't pass wind.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Alex77 on July 25, 2016, 04:20:17 PM: Quote from: aj2k77 on July 25, 2016, 01:54:04 PM
Sanchez is shit, he can't pass wind.

Surely that's a medical affliction and he deserves pity not abuse?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on July 25, 2016, 04:21:52 PM: Quote from: Bottom Right 89 on July 25, 2016, 01:36:53 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on July 25, 2016, 11:23:13 AM
just read elsewhere that Sanchez can't agree salary with OM so the deal's off. Has anyone got anything else on this? Is Veretout still going on loan?
If Marseille showed an interest as long as it was over the minimum wage you wouldn't haggle you'd just go. Given last seasons horror show I doubt Carlos is going to get a better gig than this. Imagine Mrs Sanchez would also be chomping at the bit to swap Kingstanding for the south of France. OM have obviously had a look and thought better of it. I like him and hope he stays with us now.

Due to him being a regular in a decent Colombian side, I don't see us being short of offers for him, especially in the South American market.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: not3bad on July 25, 2016, 04:24:41 PM: Quote from: Hookeysmith on July 25, 2016, 01:41:05 PM
Quote from: Bottom Right 89 on July 25, 2016, 01:36:53 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on July 25, 2016, 11:23:13 AM
just read elsewhere that Sanchez can't agree salary with OM so the deal's off. Has anyone got anything else on this? Is Veretout still going on loan?
If Marseille showed an interest as long as it was over the minimum wage you wouldn't haggle you'd just go. Given last seasons horror show I doubt Carlos is going to get a better gig than this. Imagine Mrs Sanchez would also be chomping at the bit to swap Kingstanding for the south of France. OM have obviously had a look and thought better of it. I like him and hope he stays with us now.

Greedy useless cnut
And not all Kingstanding is bad (just most of it) :)

Every inch of Kingstanding is fucking shit.

Pheasey boys
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Surrey Villain on July 25, 2016, 04:39:51 PM: Quote from: aj2k77 on July 25, 2016, 01:54:04 PM
Sanchez is shit, he can't pass wind.

Can't call him a useless fart then!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 25, 2016, 04:51:18 PM: Quote from: tomd2103 on July 25, 2016, 04:21:52 PM
Quote from: Bottom Right 89 on July 25, 2016, 01:36:53 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on July 25, 2016, 11:23:13 AM
just read elsewhere that Sanchez can't agree salary with OM so the deal's off. Has anyone got anything else on this? Is Veretout still going on loan?
If Marseille showed an interest as long as it was over the minimum wage you wouldn't haggle you'd just go. Given last seasons horror show I doubt Carlos is going to get a better gig than this. Imagine Mrs Sanchez would also be chomping at the bit to swap Kingstanding for the south of France. OM have obviously had a look and thought better of it. I like him and hope he stays with us now.

Due to him being a regular in a decent Colombian side, I don't see us being short of offers for him, especially in the South American market.
The problem is the huge disparity in wages in South America, could maybe get an MLS gig. I will not be sad to see hi leave.
Centre Mid has been a problem position for a long time though.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SashasGrandad on July 25, 2016, 04:54:08 PM: Quote from: Alex77 on July 25, 2016, 04:20:17 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on July 25, 2016, 01:54:04 PM
Sanchez is shit, he can't pass wind.

Surely that's a medical affliction and he deserves pity not abuse?

Maybe it's some form of blockage?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tony Erdington on July 25, 2016, 04:58:07 PM: Quote from: JUAN PABLO on July 25, 2016, 09:36:24 AM
Quote from: godzvilla on July 25, 2016, 09:22:20 AM
Quote from: OCD on July 24, 2016, 11:26:55 PM
Quote from: Newby on July 24, 2016, 10:50:12 PM
3-4 out this week? Must be Veretout, Sanchez, Sinclair, maybe Guzan?

Richards? The deal was nearly done before Allardyce took the England job. Maybe Moyes wants the deal completed? Or maybe someone else is in for him? There must be someone who thinks he could be a good player in the right set-up.
Local Rag now saying Sunderland ready to Richards meet buy-out / release clause ( & offer N´Zogbia a contract )...it´s a funny old world but God bless those Sunderland philanthropists , I say ..................................Godzvilla!

and people wanted Moyes

accepted, I admit I was one, but agree with you.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Morten on July 25, 2016, 06:31:21 PM: 3-4 players out ? I would not be surprised if any of these 10 players left:
Guzan, Richards, Lescott, Bacuna, Gana, Sanchez, Veretout, Sinclair, Kozak or even Agbonlahor.

In fact I would be surprised if 6-7 of these 10 are staying.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villafirst on July 25, 2016, 06:42:43 PM: Not good to have so many changes so close to the start of the season. Look at the numerous changes last summer and what happened then.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 25, 2016, 06:57:35 PM: Anyone seen the rumour Norwich willing to pay £15m for McCormick to put us off...whatever
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on July 25, 2016, 07:00:17 PM: Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on July 25, 2016, 06:57:35 PM
Anyone seen the rumour Norwich willing to pay £15m for McCormick to put us off...whatever

I'd hope we were never in for him, but at that price.....

Christ that's like bidding £30,000 for a Mondeo to stop the bloke next door getting it instead of a Mercedes C Class
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: TB on July 25, 2016, 07:18:36 PM: Quote from: Villafirst on July 25, 2016, 06:42:43 PM
Not good to have so many changes so close to the start of the season. Look at the numerous changes last summer and what happened then.

It depends on the changes, surely? Unwanted/unuseable players being shifted out in any number required shouldn't be a problem, as long as the right players are brought in. And as RDM has said that he thinks the squad is too big, there should be less players incoming.

And as for last summer: IMO, 'what happened then' wasn't merely down to the number of changes in the squad, but also the utter failure of the 'manager' in charge at the time (and the rest of his coaching team) to integrate both old and new players into an actual squad as opposed to a number of seemingly haphazardly assembled bits from an undefined number of entirely different jigsaw puzzle sets.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Mister E on July 25, 2016, 07:26:23 PM: Quote from: Villafirst on July 25, 2016, 06:42:43 PM
Not good to have so many changes so close to the start of the season. Look at the numerous changes last summer and what happened then.
We cannot necessarily dictate the timing of player-purchases; it's also down to the selling club and the timing vis-a-vis the transfer window.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on July 25, 2016, 07:26:36 PM: Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on July 25, 2016, 06:57:35 PM
Anyone seen the rumour Norwich willing to pay £15m for McCormick to put us off...whatever

If bringing in that one player stops them from all round strengthening, go for it.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: paul_e on July 25, 2016, 07:37:18 PM: Quote from: TB on July 25, 2016, 07:18:36 PM
Quote from: Villafirst on July 25, 2016, 06:42:43 PM
Not good to have so many changes so close to the start of the season. Look at the numerous changes last summer and what happened then.

It depends on the changes, surely? Unwanted/unuseable players being shifted out in any number required shouldn't be a problem, as long as the right players are brought in. And as RDM has said that he thinks the squad is too big, there should be less players incoming.

And as for last summer: IMO, 'what happened then' wasn't merely down to the number of changes in the squad, but also the utter failure of the 'manager' in charge at the time (and the rest of his coaching team) to integrate both old and new players into an actual squad as opposed to a number of seemingly haphazardly assembled bits from an undefined number of entirely different jigsaw puzzle sets.

Last summer was down to Sherwood not knowing how to do the job. He wanted to be pals with the squad so didn't force the hard yards and we looked short of fitness for most of the season. For the same reason he let the players do their own thing and form their own cliques in the squad, so when things weren't going well they blamed the other groups and we had big divisions in the squad. He didn't know how to provide structure for the club so we had a style and formation ready as our 'go to' whilst the players gelled so not only were they unfamiliar with each other but they were playing in unfamiliar formations and in an ever changing team.

Our squad wasn't great and we would've been down near the bottom regardless but Sherwood's ineptitude is what seperated us from the likes of Norwich, Newcastle and Sunderland.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 25, 2016, 07:38:17 PM: Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on July 25, 2016, 06:57:35 PM
Anyone seen the rumour Norwich willing to pay £15m for McCormick to put us off...whatever

Well I bloody hope that would put us off.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: TB on July 25, 2016, 07:55:32 PM: Quote from: paul_e on July 25, 2016, 07:37:18 PM
Quote from: TB on July 25, 2016, 07:18:36 PM
It depends on the changes, surely? Unwanted/unuseable players being shifted out in any number required shouldn't be a problem, as long as the right players are brought in. And as RDM has said that he thinks the squad is too big, there should be less players incoming.

And as for last summer: IMO, 'what happened then' wasn't merely down to the number of changes in the squad, but also the utter failure of the 'manager' in charge at the time (and the rest of his coaching team) to integrate both old and new players into an actual squad as opposed to a number of seemingly haphazardly assembled bits from an undefined number of entirely different jigsaw puzzle sets.

Last summer was down to Sherwood not knowing how to do the job. He wanted to be pals with the squad so didn't force the hard yards and we looked short of fitness for most of the season. For the same reason he let the players do their own thing and form their own cliques in the squad, so when things weren't going well they blamed the other groups and we had big divisions in the squad. He didn't know how to provide structure for the club so we had a style and formation ready as our 'go to' whilst the players gelled so not only were they unfamiliar with each other but they were playing in unfamiliar formations and in an ever changing team.

Our squad wasn't great and we would've been down near the bottom regardless but Sherwood's ineptitude is what seperated us from the likes of Norwich, Newcastle and Sunderland.

Yes. A club with a defined playing style, developed over years, may change a large portion of the squad, provided that the management team knows what they're doing - thus being able not only to identify and get the right players, but also communicate to them what their role in the team should be.

We had neither.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 25, 2016, 08:08:16 PM: Indeed. Look at Watford last summer. Changed their manager despite being promoted, shipped in and out a massive number of players but still managed to get the job done and reach the cup semi final.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: TB on July 25, 2016, 08:20:01 PM: And that's almost the antithesis of Villa over the past decade.
The series of 180 degrees changes has been almost Pythonesque: Ooops. That didn't work, did it? So, now for something completely different...
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Richard E on July 25, 2016, 08:54:01 PM: Our favourite local radio station reckons Guzan is off to Boro before the end of the week.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 25, 2016, 09:18:48 PM: I can't believe we turned down actual money for Sinclair.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Pat McMahon on July 25, 2016, 09:52:22 PM: Quote from: Richard E on July 25, 2016, 08:54:01 PM
Our favourite local radio station reckons Guzan is off to Boro before the end of the week.

Scarborough?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on July 25, 2016, 09:58:16 PM: The Borough Market. Got himself a whelk stall.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on July 25, 2016, 10:03:44 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 25, 2016, 09:18:48 PM
I can't believe we turned down actual money for Sinclair.
I'd have snatched their whole arm off, even for that original 1 million bid. Turning down 2.75 mill is insanity. If they bid 3 we've got to take it. Hands down. No one will pay the 5 mill we apparently want.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: andyh on July 25, 2016, 10:17:09 PM: Richards having a medical a Sunderland tomorrow.....according to the gospel called Twitter.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Des Little on July 25, 2016, 10:17:15 PM: We should look at bringing in some of them Russian athletes. They look fit as fuck.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: LeeB on July 25, 2016, 10:17:32 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 25, 2016, 09:18:48 PM
I can't believe we turned down actual money for Sinclair.

Something, anything, would be daylight fucking robbery.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on July 25, 2016, 10:19:27 PM: Quote from: andyh on July 25, 2016, 10:17:09 PM
Richards having a medical a Sunderland tomorrow.....according to the gospel called Twitter.

We can but dream! Zog and Richards, feels like Christmas, a really bad one.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on July 25, 2016, 10:38:02 PM: While I'll be glad to see the back of him, it'll be a right bloody kick in the teeth to see Richards retain his own Premier League status having done so little to preserve ours. His stinking attitude should have ruled him out of a move like this, let alone his laughable defending. What the hell have Sunderland seen in him?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on July 25, 2016, 10:45:03 PM: You have to hang onto the positives my friend. However small. Richards will relegate them next. Five mill? Fantastic deal for us.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: LeeB on July 25, 2016, 10:47:09 PM: Quote from: Chinchilla Bathhouse on July 25, 2016, 10:38:02 PM
While I'll be glad to see the back of him, it'll be a right bloody kick in the teeth to see Richards retain his own Premier League status having done so little to preserve ours. His stinking attitude should have ruled him out of a move like this, let alone his laughable defending. What the hell have Sunderland seen in him?

Whilst I agree with the thrust of your post, I'm just thankful there's another club out there stupid enough to take the prick.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 25, 2016, 10:49:47 PM: Quote from: Chinchilla Bathhouse on July 25, 2016, 10:38:02 PM
While I'll be glad to see the back of him, it'll be a right bloody kick in the teeth to see Richards retain his own Premier League status having done so little to preserve ours. His stinking attitude should have ruled him out of a move like this, let alone his laughable defending. What the hell have Sunderland seen in him?

what will be worse is that he will play well up there under Moyes. And he won't act the ****** either.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: olaftab on July 25, 2016, 10:56:15 PM: I don't think he is capable of playing well in the top league. Mind you having to compete with Wes Brown can't be that tough.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on July 25, 2016, 11:02:40 PM: Oh yeah, I'm delighted someone's daft enough to pay for him and I'm desperate to get rid, it's just so bloody unfair. In an ideal world he'd be fucked off to somewhere like Stranraer or Raith. And driven there in a boiling hot Smart car by Gloria Hunniford, with Celine Dion on the car stereo. Without stopping at the services. The arrogant bastard.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: LeeB on July 25, 2016, 11:04:10 PM: Quote from: Chinchilla Bathhouse on July 25, 2016, 11:02:40 PM
Oh yeah, I'm delighted someone's daft enough to pay for him and I'm desperate to get rid, it's just so bloody unfair. In an ideal world he'd be fucked off to somewhere like Stranraer or Raith. And driven there in a boiling hot Smart car by Gloria Hunniford, with Celine Dion on the car stereo. Without stopping at the services. The arrogant bastard.

The ****** would probably enjoy that.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on July 25, 2016, 11:10:51 PM: Quote from: Richard E on July 25, 2016, 08:54:01 PM
Our favourite local radio station reckons Guzan is off to Boro before the end of the week.

Just in time to return to B6 on Saturday. Could be an interesting welcome back for him!!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 25, 2016, 11:18:08 PM: Quote from: supertom on July 25, 2016, 10:03:44 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 25, 2016, 09:18:48 PM
I can't believe we turned down actual money for Sinclair.
I'd have snatched their whole arm off, even for that original 1 million bid. Turning down 2.75 mill is insanity. If they bid 3 we've got to take it. Hands down. No one will pay the 5 mill we apparently want.

Well, if you'd have "snatched their whole arm off" when they offered a million, you'd have done us out of £1.75 million at least.

It's a high-risk strategy, admittedly. But maybe we are holding out because we think we can get more. If we end up getting £4- £5 million, turning down lower offers won't be "insanity", but shrewd negotiating.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on July 26, 2016, 01:46:31 AM: I'd have taken the money, but I don't think this is a high-risk strategy for Sinclair. He's shown that he can score goals against Championship-level teams, and that's worth more than just peanuts.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on July 26, 2016, 06:27:04 AM: Wyness will know how far Celtic can be walked down the path.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: London Villan on July 26, 2016, 07:46:14 AM: There are some odd valuations out there. Richards and Sinclair in particular.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 26, 2016, 08:23:30 AM: Quote from: Ads on July 26, 2016, 06:27:04 AM
Wyness will know how far Celtic can be walked down the path.

Interesting point. Our new CEO may actually be a bit more savvy in transfer negotiations than we are accustomed to.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on July 26, 2016, 08:32:02 AM: Would be hard pressed cig not to be an improvement on what has gone on in the past.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Richard E on July 26, 2016, 08:34:38 AM: https://twitter.com/thegolfvillan/status/757827996665257985
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sickbeggar on July 26, 2016, 08:35:16 AM: Quote from: London Villan on July 26, 2016, 07:46:14 AM
There are some odd valuations out there. Richards and Sinclair in particular.

Just the way it is going with all the money sloshing about. I mean Joe Allen for 13m?! If someone as average as him is going for that amount, then it has a knock-on effect down to the "barely footballers" level we're dealing in
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 26, 2016, 08:37:39 AM: Quote from: brian green on July 26, 2016, 08:32:02 AM
Would be hard pressed cig not to be an improvement on what has gone on in the past.

Aint that the truth! Nice to have a seasoned football CEO running the club with a proven manager over the team.

How long has it been since we have had that?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on July 26, 2016, 08:40:32 AM: Certainly pre DOL.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on July 26, 2016, 08:43:14 AM: Quote from: sickbeggar on July 26, 2016, 08:35:16 AM
Quote from: London Villan on July 26, 2016, 07:46:14 AM
There are some odd valuations out there. Richards and Sinclair in particular.

Just the way it is going with all the money sloshing about. I mean Joe Allen for 13m?! If someone as average as him is going for that amount, then it has a knock-on effect down to the "barely footballers" level we're dealing in

The Joe Allen fee is even more mad when you think he's out of contract next season.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sickbeggar on July 26, 2016, 08:58:13 AM: Quote from: Clampy on July 26, 2016, 08:43:14 AM
Quote from: sickbeggar on July 26, 2016, 08:35:16 AM
Quote from: London Villan on July 26, 2016, 07:46:14 AM
There are some odd valuations out there. Richards and Sinclair in particular.

Just the way it is going with all the money sloshing about. I mean Joe Allen for 13m?! If someone as average as him is going for that amount, then it has a knock-on effect down to the "barely footballers" level we're dealing in

The Joe Allen fee is even more mad when you think he's out of contract next season.

yep. makes no sense to me at all apart from they must have really really wanted him!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: eamonn on July 26, 2016, 09:10:41 AM: Did Rodgers have Sinclair at Swansea?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sid1964 on July 26, 2016, 09:20:11 AM: Lets hope that we don't push our luck to far with the Sinclair fee

If he has no future at the club, and will not be a regular in the team, then take what is on offer!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: johnny from donny on July 26, 2016, 09:25:51 AM: Quote from: eamonn on July 26, 2016, 09:10:41 AM
Did Rodgers have Sinclair at Swansea?

Not sure about their personal lives, but I think he played for Swansea while Rodgers was manager😵
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Diablo on July 26, 2016, 09:33:22 AM: Quote from: johnny from donny on July 26, 2016, 09:25:51 AM
Quote from: eamonn on July 26, 2016, 09:10:41 AM
Did Rodgers have Sinclair at Swansea?

Not sure about their personal lives, but I think he played for Swansea while Rodgers was manager😵

I may be in a minority but I think Sinclair could do really well in the Championship. He'd no doubt be a world beater in Scotland if he ends up there.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on July 26, 2016, 09:34:14 AM: So you'd be worried if he lined up against us at Hillsborough?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Diablo on July 26, 2016, 09:52:42 AM: Quote from: peter w on July 26, 2016, 09:34:14 AM
So you'd be worried if he lined up against us at Hillsborough?

Why has Sinclair been linked to Sheffield Wednesday? To be fair he'd probably get 2 against us (that's normally how it works ;-) I had it in my head that he'd scored more goals for us than he has. The goal against the Baggies, the one that the keeper should have saved against Leicester, the 3 against Notts Co stayed with me. I think the 3 against Notts Co put the idea in my head that he scored more against lower opposition. So nah maybe not. Scratch that comment. I'll go get another coffee to wake up some more.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 26, 2016, 10:42:40 AM: Quote from: Diablo on July 26, 2016, 09:52:42 AM
Quote from: peter w on July 26, 2016, 09:34:14 AM
So you'd be worried if he lined up against us at Hillsborough?

Why has Sinclair been linked to Sheffield Wednesday? To be fair he'd probably get 2 against us (that's normally how it works ;-) I had it in my head that he'd scored more goals for us than he has. The goal against the Baggies, the one that the keeper should have saved against Leicester, the 3 against Notts Co stayed with me. I think the 3 against Notts Co put the idea in my head that he scored more against lower opposition. So nah maybe not. Scratch that comment. I'll go get another coffee to wake up some more.

Notts Forest ;)
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Mister E on July 26, 2016, 10:43:16 AM: Quote from: Diablo on July 26, 2016, 09:33:22 AM
Quote from: johnny from donny on July 26, 2016, 09:25:51 AM
Quote from: eamonn on July 26, 2016, 09:10:41 AM
Did Rodgers have Sinclair at Swansea?

Not sure about their personal lives, but I think he played for Swansea while Rodgers was manager😵

I may be in a minority but I think Sinclair could do really well in the Championship. He'd no doubt be a world beater in Scotland if he ends up there.
Depends entirely on his attitude; which - thus far - has not been brilliant for any club he's turned out for.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on July 26, 2016, 10:54:09 AM: Quote from: Mister E on July 26, 2016, 10:43:16 AM
Quote from: Diablo on July 26, 2016, 09:33:22 AM
Quote from: johnny from donny on July 26, 2016, 09:25:51 AM
Quote from: eamonn on July 26, 2016, 09:10:41 AM
Did Rodgers have Sinclair at Swansea?

Not sure about their personal lives, but I think he played for Swansea while Rodgers was manager😵

I may be in a minority but I think Sinclair could do really well in the Championship. He'd no doubt be a world beater in Scotland if he ends up there.
Depends entirely on his attitude; which - thus far - has not been brilliant for any club he's turned out for.

My impression's that you need to make things easy for him, and if you do, he'll generally deliver the goods. I think a mix of coherent attacking structure, a good hard-working forward who can create space, and some players capable of playing the final ball, so that he doesn't have to worry about anything other than using his pace and into goalscoring positions, would get him plenty of goals. I don't see that necessarily as bending over to build the team around him either, but rather, simply building a team that plays to the strengths of as many of its players as possible.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: paul_e on July 26, 2016, 11:57:52 AM: Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on July 26, 2016, 10:42:40 AM
Quote from: Diablo on July 26, 2016, 09:52:42 AM
Quote from: peter w on July 26, 2016, 09:34:14 AM
So you'd be worried if he lined up against us at Hillsborough?

Why has Sinclair been linked to Sheffield Wednesday? To be fair he'd probably get 2 against us (that's normally how it works ;-) I had it in my head that he'd scored more goals for us than he has. The goal against the Baggies, the one that the keeper should have saved against Leicester, the 3 against Notts Co stayed with me. I think the 3 against Notts Co put the idea in my head that he scored more against lower opposition. So nah maybe not. Scratch that comment. I'll go get another coffee to wake up some more.

Notts Forest ;)

no, he got three against notts county in the league cup last year as well so no need for a correction
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 26, 2016, 12:03:12 PM: Quote from: paul_e on July 26, 2016, 11:57:52 AM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on July 26, 2016, 10:42:40 AM
Quote from: Diablo on July 26, 2016, 09:52:42 AM
Quote from: peter w on July 26, 2016, 09:34:14 AM
So you'd be worried if he lined up against us at Hillsborough?

Why has Sinclair been linked to Sheffield Wednesday? To be fair he'd probably get 2 against us (that's normally how it works ;-) I had it in my head that he'd scored more goals for us than he has. The goal against the Baggies, the one that the keeper should have saved against Leicester, the 3 against Notts Co stayed with me. I think the 3 against Notts Co put the idea in my head that he scored more against lower opposition. So nah maybe not. Scratch that comment. I'll go get another coffee to wake up some more.

Notts Forest ;)

no, he got three against notts county in the league cup last year as well so no need for a correction

It was just a joke which is why I winked
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 26, 2016, 12:07:18 PM: Sinclair has been anonymous for us ( like a few others of course)

I would be happy with 2.75 million for him .
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 26, 2016, 12:13:04 PM: The word on the street is that he doesn't actually like playing football, that he sometimes can be arsed to just do enough to get on people's payrolls but then gives up. Based on his Aston Villa career so far it's hard to argue with that. I hope he gets sold with the rest of the wasters, as I view him in a similar way.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 26, 2016, 12:19:57 PM: Quote from: Clark W Griswold on July 26, 2016, 12:13:04 PM
The word on the street is that he doesn't actually like playing football, that he sometimes can be arsed to just do enough to get on people's payrolls but then gives up. Based on his Aston Villa career so far it's hard to argue with that. I hope he gets sold with the rest of the wasters, as I view him in a similar way.

another typical modern footballer , the Bentleys,Nzogbia's and Irelands of the world. Hes still living on a reputation where he had a few good games at Swansea but this will soon disappear and he will become a waste of space and soon be on im a Z celebrity get me out of here
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on July 26, 2016, 12:31:52 PM: Very accurate assessment Pablo. Nzogbia played his heart out for sunderland last week. Because he has no cushion (contract) to snuggle up on .....
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on July 26, 2016, 12:35:02 PM: Quote from: JUAN PABLO on July 26, 2016, 12:07:18 PM
Sinclair has been anonymous for us ( like a few others of course)

I would be happy with 2.75 million for him .

seconded
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Richard E on July 26, 2016, 01:09:30 PM: Couple of different journalists on Twitter are saying Richards to Sunderland is not happening (and possibly never was.)
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 26, 2016, 01:14:08 PM: Quote from: Richard E on July 26, 2016, 01:09:30 PM
Couple of different journalists on Twitter are saying Richards to Sunderland is not happening (and possibly never was.)

sunderland thought Villa had said five bags of wotsits and not 5 million pound
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Richard E on July 26, 2016, 01:16:28 PM: Quote from: JUAN PABLO on July 26, 2016, 01:14:08 PM
Quote from: Richard E on July 26, 2016, 01:09:30 PM
Couple of different journalists on Twitter are saying Richards to Sunderland is not happening (and possibly never was.)

sunderland thought Villa had said five bags of wotsits and not 5 million pound

Sunderland thought Villa were paying them 5 million to take him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: andyh on July 26, 2016, 01:25:56 PM: Quote from: Richard E on July 26, 2016, 01:09:30 PM
Couple of different journalists on Twitter are saying Richards to Sunderland is not happening (and possibly never was.)

Damn, and we'd have probably gotten away with it if it wasn't for that pesky David Moyse !
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 26, 2016, 01:44:32 PM: he was never going to remain a premiership player after last season's car crash. I am getting concerned about next season now - np sign of any of the Mica brigade being disposed off and the same applies to players like Gana, Veretout etc. We were one of the worst ever sides in the PL last year and basically have the same squad now . Play offs at best if things stay pretty much as they are.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on July 26, 2016, 01:58:37 PM: Quote from: mr underhill on July 26, 2016, 01:44:32 PM
he was never going to remain a premiership player after last season's car crash. I am getting concerned about next season now - np sign of any of the Mica brigade being disposed off and the same applies to players like Gana, Veretout etc. We were one of the worst ever sides in the PL last year and basically have the same squad now . Play offs at best if things stay pretty much as they are.

There's over a month to go until the window closes so there's plenty of time for deals to be done although I am surprised the likes of Richards haven't gone by now.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sid1964 on July 26, 2016, 02:01:38 PM: With the current squad, and if we cant shift any of the losers from last season, then I think we will finish between 8 -13th (we are very much like QPR were when they went down, to many players in the squad on to high salaries)

May take another couple of transfer windows to get rid of them
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on July 26, 2016, 02:03:36 PM: You can only assume that managers talk to each other and they have discussed Richards's character.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Surrey Villain on July 26, 2016, 02:12:56 PM: I heard he was having a medical at Sunderland this morning. Is this breakdown news coincidence?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 26, 2016, 03:00:37 PM: Quote from: Surrey Villain on July 26, 2016, 02:12:56 PM
I heard he was having a medical at Sunderland this morning. Is this breakdown news coincidence?

Are you sure it wasn't the'Moyes having a medical before signing him' joke you heard?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on July 26, 2016, 04:37:03 PM: Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 26, 2016, 03:00:37 PM
Quote from: Surrey Villain on July 26, 2016, 02:12:56 PM
I heard he was having a medical at Sunderland this morning. Is this breakdown news coincidence?

Are you sure it wasn't the'Moyes having a medical before signing him' joke you heard?

more like 'moyes signs richards and n'wanker whilst still in the recovery room following a lobotomy'
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on July 26, 2016, 04:43:31 PM: Probably like the scene in Breaking Bad with Moyes ringing a bell. Once for sign him twice for fuck him off outa here.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ldavfc4eva on July 26, 2016, 06:38:06 PM: If Sinclair and Richards for for a combined £8m then I'd hope we got the chequebook out ourselves and pushed through a couple of new signings as its all gone very quiet?

Perhaps RDM has been told that he needs to shift some put before he has anymore in, he has already admitted the squad is far too big.

Dr T promised £30/40m in transfer funds but that's not to say it would be all our his own pocket, perhaps it's 50/50 half from himself (the 3 so far plus room for 1 or 2 more) and the rest generated from what we can get back from any outgoings.

There isn't long to go before we kick the season off and I think we need a settled starting 11 if we have any chance of coming straight back up.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cheltenhamlion on July 26, 2016, 06:43:22 PM: We don't need a settled starting 11 on August. We could be shite until October and still waltz to Promotion.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ldavfc4eva on July 26, 2016, 06:48:30 PM: So people keep saying, transfer window is shut before then though so think we need to sort our shit out one way or another.

The scary thought could be that RDM sees Sinclair as a player to keep hold of? He must know by now who he wants to stay and who to get rid of if possible.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cheltenhamlion on July 26, 2016, 06:53:12 PM: And if he can't he has to work out where he might use them. It's a long time to go yet with the cash sloshing around as it is in the "best league in the world".
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: charleeco7 on July 26, 2016, 07:00:24 PM: WM are reporting Everton have activated Ganas release clause.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 26, 2016, 07:02:50 PM: Hopefully it will start a bidding war!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villafirst on July 26, 2016, 07:03:06 PM: Really underwhelmed by activity so far. Poor planning for a promotion bid.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: charleeco7 on July 26, 2016, 07:05:57 PM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on July 26, 2016, 07:02:50 PM
Hopefully it will start a bidding war!
I'm not sure it can. Surely all the interested parties have to do is meet the £7.1 million clause then he decides where to go.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ldavfc4eva on July 26, 2016, 07:08:40 PM: Sinclair is starting tonight I see, perhaps he will stay after all.

Quite liked Gana but againfor the money being offered you have to get rid (I know he has a release clause anyway) I just hope we start to spend some of it sharpish or else I think Dr T is full of shit.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on July 26, 2016, 07:13:33 PM: Quote from: Villafirst on July 26, 2016, 07:03:06 PM
Really underwhelmed by activity so far. Poor planning for a promotion bid.

We've signed three players, we're letting some go then we're bringing in some more. It makes perfect sense to me, some people are just too impatient.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on July 26, 2016, 07:15:51 PM: Gana. Yet another midfielder who can't score or shield a defence. Appalling work rate and caught so many times behind the play.

Good riddance.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Lastfootstamper on July 26, 2016, 07:16:52 PM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on July 26, 2016, 07:02:50 PM
Hopefully it will start a bidding war!

Ooh, ya scamp!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Richard E on July 26, 2016, 07:21:04 PM: Quote from: Ads on July 26, 2016, 07:15:51 PM
Gana. Yet another midfielder who can't score or shield a defence. Appalling work rate and caught so many times behind the play.

Good riddance.

Yes. However will we cope without his one goal a season?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Kevin Dawson on July 26, 2016, 07:21:54 PM: And we'll have a war chest.....
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Richard E on July 26, 2016, 07:26:37 PM: Quote from: Kevin Dawson on July 26, 2016, 07:21:54 PM
And we'll have a war chest.....

...which we can then use to prepare cheeky bids.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on July 26, 2016, 07:28:03 PM: Daily mail says we could hold out for more money for Gana.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on July 26, 2016, 07:32:41 PM: Quote from: ldavfc4eva on July 26, 2016, 07:08:40 PM
Sinclair is starting tonight I see, perhaps he will stay after all.

I hope not, he's shit,
Quote from: ldavfc4eva on July 26, 2016, 07:08:40 PM
Sinclair is starting tonight I see, perhaps he will stay after all.

Quite liked Gana but againfor the money being offered you have to get rid (I know he has a release clause anyway) I just hope we start to spend some of it sharpish or else I think Dr T is full of shit.

Wouldn't be a bad move to get ride of both of them, Sinclair is especially poor. Gana goes hiding too much, when the chips are down he gives in.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ldavfc4eva on July 26, 2016, 07:38:00 PM: Agreed AJ take the money from the pair of them and get some fresh faces in,
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 26, 2016, 07:41:31 PM: Quote from: Clampy on July 26, 2016, 07:13:33 PM
Quote from: Villafirst on July 26, 2016, 07:03:06 PM
Really underwhelmed by activity so far. Poor planning for a promotion bid.

We've signed three players, we're letting some go then we're bringing in some more. It makes perfect sense to me, some people are just too impatient.

Indeed and as much as I want to see some players go I think you have to keep them involved. Two reasons really, firstly 'bomb squadding' them has proven itself to be a terrible method to get rid of players. Secondly some of those who have to stay we're going to need to contribute. For example if we're stuck with Sinclair I bet he'll score goals in this league. Let's not cut our nose off to spite our face. We need more players in, but it needs to be done sensibly.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 26, 2016, 08:04:38 PM: Apparently Fulham have turned down two bids for McCormack. I really hope we're not in for him. This idea that he's scored Championship goals before and that makes him ideal is just misunderstanding what his goals mean. They mean that it's pretty easy to score lots of goals in the Championship and we should be looking at better players than him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 26, 2016, 08:06:50 PM: Wrong thread.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: curiousorange on July 26, 2016, 08:10:43 PM: I don't see why it would be a problem to buy a striker who can score a sackful of goals in the Championship. I'm not naive enough to think we're actually going to spend fifty million this summer, but I'd happily shell out a considerable amount of money for somebody who can put the ball in the net. God knows we deserve it after last season.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 26, 2016, 08:16:35 PM: Quote from: curiousorange on July 26, 2016, 08:10:43 PM
I don't see why it would be a problem to buy a striker who can score a sackful of goals in the Championship. I'm not naive enough to think we're actually going to spend fifty million this summer, but I'd happily shell out a considerable amount of money for somebody who can put the ball in the net. God knows we deserve it after last season.

It's because he's 30 years old and offers very little other than the goals. I'm pretty sure you can get a much better player for £15 million.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: curiousorange on July 26, 2016, 08:29:14 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 26, 2016, 08:16:35 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on July 26, 2016, 08:10:43 PM
I don't see why it would be a problem to buy a striker who can score a sackful of goals in the Championship. I'm not naive enough to think we're actually going to spend fifty million this summer, but I'd happily shell out a considerable amount of money for somebody who can put the ball in the net. God knows we deserve it after last season.

It's because he's 30 years old and offers very little other than the goals. I'm pretty sure you can get a much better player for £15 million.

We probably can. Can we get a much better striker though? I'm not saying McCormack is necessarily the answer, but I don't see he can do much harm if we have money to spend and we need goals.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 26, 2016, 08:33:38 PM: Well purely on the basis that it would be better to spend our money on the best possible players rather than someone who is getting on and doesn't offer much apart from goals.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 26, 2016, 08:35:57 PM: He's not a bad player, but for that kind of money I think we can do better.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: curiousorange on July 26, 2016, 08:36:53 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 26, 2016, 08:33:38 PM
Well purely on the basis that it would be better to spend our money on the best possible players rather than someone who is getting on and doesn't offer much apart from goals.

We could go round in circles all night here, but I can't see why being a goalscorer, which we undoubtedly need, is a problem. If there's a forward who can do it all, from goals to assists to crosses to hold-up play that's available to a Championship side for less that what McCormack is going for, he'll be a hell of a find.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 26, 2016, 08:38:38 PM: I like the look of Kodija more, but I guess we'll see.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: paul_e on July 26, 2016, 08:45:05 PM: My thinking on McCormack is that he's very experienced in the championship but it's with teams that have struggled to be mid-table at best other than Cardiff who replaced him to step up to play-off standard.

That doesn't suggest that he's the type of player you'd buy to fire you to automatic promotion. On top of that our biggest issue is that we don't have a striker who is capable of giving us someone to play around and he doesn't seem to be suited to that.

I think he'd be a massive waste of money for where we are.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 26, 2016, 08:49:38 PM: Quote from: paul_e on July 26, 2016, 08:45:05 PM
My thinking on McCormack is that he's very experienced in the championship but it's with teams that have struggled to be mid-table at best other than Cardiff who replaced him to step up to play-off standard.

That doesn't suggest that he's the type of player you'd buy to fire you to automatic promotion. On top of that our biggest issue is that we don't have a striker who is capable of giving us someone to play around and he doesn't seem to be suited to that.

I think he'd be a massive waste of money for where we are.

Agreed completely and he's only going to decline now.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on July 26, 2016, 08:58:39 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 26, 2016, 08:49:38 PM
Quote from: paul_e on July 26, 2016, 08:45:05 PM
My thinking on McCormack is that he's very experienced in the championship but it's with teams that have struggled to be mid-table at best other than Cardiff who replaced him to step up to play-off standard.

That doesn't suggest that he's the type of player you'd buy to fire you to automatic promotion. On top of that our biggest issue is that we don't have a striker who is capable of giving us someone to play around and he doesn't seem to be suited to that.

I think he'd be a massive waste of money for where we are.

Agreed completely and he's only going to decline now.

this

plus no resale value
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 26, 2016, 09:01:36 PM: Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on July 26, 2016, 08:58:39 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 26, 2016, 08:49:38 PM
Quote from: paul_e on July 26, 2016, 08:45:05 PM
My thinking on McCormack is that he's very experienced in the championship but it's with teams that have struggled to be mid-table at best other than Cardiff who replaced him to step up to play-off standard.

That doesn't suggest that he's the type of player you'd buy to fire you to automatic promotion. On top of that our biggest issue is that we don't have a striker who is capable of giving us someone to play around and he doesn't seem to be suited to that.

I think he'd be a massive waste of money for where we are.

Agreed completely and he's only going to decline now.

this

plus no resale value

It's another reason. Villa need to start operating more smartly and try and buy players who will improve and increase in value. Other than Benteke we've got a shocking record when it comes to selling players.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: old man villa fan on July 26, 2016, 09:03:09 PM: If we ae going to buy a forward, it needs to be a player that is mobile and can play on his own up front for when we want to play this way. There is currently nobody in the squad that can do this.

As the McCormack story has been around for so long and the same 3 clubs linked , I think it is just somebody trying to create interest. It could be his agent, Fulham or even just the media speculating to create a 2 + 2 must equal 4.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on July 26, 2016, 09:15:03 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 26, 2016, 09:01:36 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on July 26, 2016, 08:58:39 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 26, 2016, 08:49:38 PM
Quote from: paul_e on July 26, 2016, 08:45:05 PM
My thinking on McCormack is that he's very experienced in the championship but it's with teams that have struggled to be mid-table at best other than Cardiff who replaced him to step up to play-off standard.

That doesn't suggest that he's the type of player you'd buy to fire you to automatic promotion. On top of that our biggest issue is that we don't have a striker who is capable of giving us someone to play around and he doesn't seem to be suited to that.

I think he'd be a massive waste of money for where we are.

Agreed completely and he's only going to decline now.

this

plus no resale value

It's another reason. Villa need to start operating more smartly and try and buy players who will improve and increase in value. Other than Benteke we've got a shocking record when it comes to selling players.

totally

beye, dunne, sidwell, ireland, reo-coker, collins, bent, heskey, given, nzog, warnock, makoun, cuellar, heskey

i havent done the maths but reckon its close to a 50 million loss
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on July 26, 2016, 09:26:57 PM: I reckon closer to £70M.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on July 26, 2016, 09:28:52 PM: Quote from: Villa in Denmark on July 26, 2016, 09:26:57 PM
I reckon closer to £70M.

bloody hell
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: four fornicholl on July 26, 2016, 09:29:23 PM: Quote from: Villa in Denmark on July 26, 2016, 09:26:57 PM
I reckon closer to £70M.
So that's cost us Lacazette to Arsenal and Kante to Chelsea.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 26, 2016, 09:35:18 PM: Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on July 26, 2016, 09:28:52 PM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on July 26, 2016, 09:26:57 PM
I reckon closer to £70M.

bloody hell

Ironically, I'd argue that last season's signing were purchased with one eye on their 'sell on potential'. Vertout, Gana, Amavi and Ayew were all signed quite cheaply. Unfortunately the existing players and those purchased to help nurture them had zero interest.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on July 26, 2016, 09:36:56 PM: summer spends thus far:

http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/championship/transfers/wettbewerb/GB2
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Mister E on July 26, 2016, 09:50:50 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 26, 2016, 09:01:36 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on July 26, 2016, 08:58:39 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 26, 2016, 08:49:38 PM
Quote from: paul_e on July 26, 2016, 08:45:05 PM
My thinking on McCormack is that he's very experienced in the championship but it's with teams that have struggled to be mid-table at best other than Cardiff who replaced him to step up to play-off standard.

That doesn't suggest that he's the type of player you'd buy to fire you to automatic promotion. On top of that our biggest issue is that we don't have a striker who is capable of giving us someone to play around and he doesn't seem to be suited to that.

I think he'd be a massive waste of money for where we are.

Agreed completely and he's only going to decline now.

this

plus no resale value

It's another reason. Villa need to start operating more smartly and try and buy players who will improve and increase in value. Other than Benteke we've got a shocking record when it comes to selling players.
Did alright with the sales of Doening, Young and Gazza Bazza ...
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on July 26, 2016, 09:54:57 PM: And Milner
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 26, 2016, 09:55:09 PM: Quote from: peter w on July 26, 2016, 09:36:56 PM
summer spends thus far:

http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/championship/transfers/wettbewerb/GB2

Interesting. I'm surprised how little money is spent below the PL.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: four fornicholl on July 26, 2016, 09:59:58 PM: Quote from: peter w on July 26, 2016, 09:54:57 PM
And Milner
Long time but Yorkie made us a packet didn't he?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Richard on July 26, 2016, 10:00:35 PM: Yeah lots of loans and free transfers going on, we really could get a jump on our rivals if we spend a bit more cash on quality once we have shipped the dross out.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 26, 2016, 10:04:13 PM: Quote from: Mister E on July 26, 2016, 09:50:50 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 26, 2016, 09:01:36 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on July 26, 2016, 08:58:39 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 26, 2016, 08:49:38 PM
Quote from: paul_e on July 26, 2016, 08:45:05 PM
My thinking on McCormack is that he's very experienced in the championship but it's with teams that have struggled to be mid-table at best other than Cardiff who replaced him to step up to play-off standard.

That doesn't suggest that he's the type of player you'd buy to fire you to automatic promotion. On top of that our biggest issue is that we don't have a striker who is capable of giving us someone to play around and he doesn't seem to be suited to that.

I think he'd be a massive waste of money for where we are.

Agreed completely and he's only going to decline now.

this

plus no resale value

It's another reason. Villa need to start operating more smartly and try and buy players who will improve and increase in value. Other than Benteke we've got a shocking record when it comes to selling players.
Did alright with the sales of Doening, Young and Gazza Bazza ...

Of course we did, but how many years is that? After Milner we didn't get a transfer year for 5 years did we?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brontebilly on July 26, 2016, 10:51:38 PM: Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 26, 2016, 09:55:09 PM
Quote from: peter w on July 26, 2016, 09:36:56 PM
summer spends thus far:

http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/championship/transfers/wettbewerb/GB2

Interesting. I'm surprised how little money is spent below the PL.

Newcastle should win the league by 20 points. Crazy money they got from Wijnaldum, a player who hid away from home all season for them. They have cut a lot of their deadwood, Taylor, Collocini, Cisse, capella et al

Very surprised at Norwich's lack of transfers thus far.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: wozwebs on July 26, 2016, 10:56:38 PM: On Twitter: Van Der Vaart is on his way to England to sign for #avfc snubbing #readingfc
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on July 26, 2016, 11:07:02 PM: Quote from: wozwebs on July 26, 2016, 10:56:38 PM
On Twitter: Van Der Vaart is on his way to England to sign for #avfc snubbing #readingfc

I really cannot see this happening.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 26, 2016, 11:10:14 PM: Quote from: Newby on July 26, 2016, 11:07:02 PM
Quote from: wozwebs on July 26, 2016, 10:56:38 PM
On Twitter: Van Der Vaart is on his way to England to sign for #avfc snubbing #readingfc

I really cannot see this happening.

Didn't we try to sign him about 10 years ago? Will he be joining our Coaching team?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 26, 2016, 11:12:51 PM: Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on July 26, 2016, 11:10:14 PM
Quote from: Newby on July 26, 2016, 11:07:02 PM
Quote from: wozwebs on July 26, 2016, 10:56:38 PM
On Twitter: Van Der Vaart is on his way to England to sign for #avfc snubbing #readingfc

I really cannot see this happening.

Didn't we try to sign him about 10 years ago? Will he be joining our Coaching team?

only 33
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on July 26, 2016, 11:14:11 PM: I think we need two more in midfield.

Last season was the pinnacle of our midfield awfulness, but it's been woeful for a number of years.

We lack physicality and get bullied. We lack dynamism and legs to push the game on. We lack organisational knowhow and defensive steel to properly shield the back four and we lack goals.

We have a collection of vanilla players that are just meh.

Tshibola is a big lad, quick and decent on the ball. Hopefully he can provide some of the ingredients we have lacked post-Snake going to Man City. I would like to see a genuine defensive midfielder who can break up the play, but actually has the nous not to get caught up field or recycle the ball cheaply. That sort of player (Bridcut at this level?) may allow Sir Pointsalot to contribute more and increase the tempo of his passing.

We badly need an attacking threat too. Veretout was ultimately a disappointment, but there must be a player of genuine guile who can create and score at that level.

It looks like we're going in with Gardner and Westwood offering much the same; fine, there's a need for a deep lying playmaker and there's ade quote cover there.

However, Tishbola aside, you'd think at least two of the rest of Gana, Veretout and Sanchez are likely to go.

Two more midfielders please.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on July 27, 2016, 12:07:02 AM: Quote from: Ads on July 26, 2016, 11:14:11 PM
I think we need two more in midfield.

Last season was the pinnacle of our midfield awfulness, but it's been woeful for a number of years.

We lack physicality and get bullied. We lack dynamism and legs to push the game on. We lack organisational knowhow and defensive steel to properly shield the back four and we lack goals.

We have a collection of vanilla players that are just meh.

Tshibola is a big lad, quick and decent on the ball. Hopefully he can provide some of the ingredients we have lacked post-Snake going to Man City. I would like to see a genuine defensive midfielder who can break up the play, but actually has the nous not to get caught up field or recycle the ball cheaply. That sort of player (Bridcut at this level?) may allow Sir Pointsalot to contribute more and increase the tempo of his passing.

We badly need an attacking threat too. Veretout was ultimately a disappointment, but there must be a player of genuine guile who can create and score at that level.

It looks like we're going in with Gardner and Westwood offering much the same; fine, there's a need for a deep lying playmaker and there's ade quote cover there.

However, Tishbola aside, you'd think at least two of the rest of Gana, Veretout and Sanchez are likely to go.

Two more midfielders please.

I agree Ads that for far too long now our midfield hasn't done either of the functions it should be doing - protecting the defence and supporting our attack. I would personally go with two players in front of the back four this season and then have four players in front of them with a bit of freedom. I still think we could do with an Elphick type signing as one of those two midfielders, especially if Gana leaves.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: OCD on July 27, 2016, 12:10:58 AM: Quote from: wozwebs on July 26, 2016, 10:56:38 PM
On Twitter: Van Der Vaart is on his way to England to sign for #avfc snubbing #readingfc

Would fill the attacking midfield role that Xia said we were looking to address. If it's a straight choice between us and Reading, it's an easy choice. Not impossible but it is a surprising link, I would have thought he would have more attractive options than a Championship side.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Smirker on July 27, 2016, 12:15:50 AM: Van Der Vaart would be an excellent signing. Doubt it will happen.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: olaftab on July 27, 2016, 12:17:33 AM: Quote from: eamonn on July 26, 2016, 09:10:41 AM
Did Rodgers have Sinclair at Swansea?
He had a member of the staff at Liverpool so I wouldn't put it past hom!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Hoppo on July 27, 2016, 01:03:39 AM: Sell Gana, spend the money on Jeff Hendricks.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: eamonn on July 27, 2016, 01:25:47 AM: I remember being linked with Van der Vaart under O'Neill, the pre-season when Luke Moore was banging them in and the prospect of VDV feeding him goals was quite exciting.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: robbo1874 on July 27, 2016, 02:28:27 AM: I was chatting to a Celtic supporter yesterday who seemed to think Sinclair was on his way for 3m. When he asked what I thought of him laughed and told him I'd start the car right now.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 27, 2016, 04:13:44 AM: Quote from: Ads on July 26, 2016, 11:14:11 PM
I think we need two more in midfield.

Last season was the pinnacle of our midfield awfulness, but it's been woeful for a number of years.

We lack physicality and get bullied. We lack dynamism and legs to push the game on. We lack organisational knowhow and defensive steel to properly shield the back four and we lack goals.

We have a collection of vanilla players that are just meh.

Tshibola is a big lad, quick and decent on the ball. Hopefully he can provide some of the ingredients we have lacked post-Snake going to Man City. I would like to see a genuine defensive midfielder who can break up the play, but actually has the nous not to get caught up field or recycle the ball cheaply. That sort of player (Bridcut at this level?) may allow Sir Pointsalot to contribute more and increase the tempo of his passing.

We badly need an attacking threat too. Veretout was ultimately a disappointment, but there must be a player of genuine guile who can create and score at that level.

It looks like we're going in with Gardner and Westwood offering much the same; fine, there's a need for a deep lying playmaker and there's ade quote cover there.

However, Tishbola aside, you'd think at least two of the rest of Gana, Veretout and Sanchez are likely to go.

Two more midfielders please.

Strongly agree. Midfield has been our weakness for several seasons now.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on July 27, 2016, 05:26:11 AM: I think if Gana goes I would quite like to see us get Bridcutt and another combative midfielder, then try and get some creativity. There is much more emphasis on winning the midfield in that division and I am not sure we have the depth to cope with injuries in there.

Bond had RVDV at Spurs. Would be a similar move to Portsmouth taking Merson from us. It would be a brilliant buy IMO
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on July 27, 2016, 05:40:06 AM: Brilliant but unlikely. But, there again, Allan Simonsen to Charlton was similarly unlikely.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on July 27, 2016, 05:44:16 AM: Didn't Gardner do a decent job as ball-winner while on loan at Forest? At least from what I read, he was superb the first time around in 2015, and a bit more mixed earlier this year. If needs be, we might get by with him as the holder, even though he's a bit slow. I still can't help but think that if Sanchez does stay, he'll do fine in the Championship, and give us that needed physicality. Westwood to come off the bench to provide a cool head in possession whenever we need that.

I agree with everyone who says we could use another midfielder, especially a forward-thinking one, but we could always play Grealish as the no. 10.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 27, 2016, 06:01:50 AM: Sadly I dont think so. I saw him in a few games on tv and each time he appeared very slow and unable to influence the game.

Great deadball though.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on July 27, 2016, 06:06:27 AM: Can he take throw-ins?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 27, 2016, 07:33:42 AM: we need a couple of midfield players and a striker in asap
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 27, 2016, 08:17:16 AM: If we assume Sanchez, Gueye and Veretout leave - that leaves us with Westwood, Gardner and Tshibola? (I can't remember anyone else?)
That's really not good enough in terms of creativity, defensive or depth. Maybe two midfielders, it's going to be a 50 game season I guess...
We need 2 players.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 27, 2016, 08:18:54 AM: I think dependant on who goes we'll need a right back, two midfielders and a striker.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on July 27, 2016, 08:27:38 AM: I wonder if RDM fancies Green to have a big impact this season?

Last night certainly seemed like a test for the young players in the main.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 27, 2016, 08:43:08 AM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 27, 2016, 08:18:54 AM
I think dependant on who goes we'll need a right back, two midfielders and a striker.
I agree, I think we're ok for GK, and centre backs. We seem pretty well stocked at left back, with decent enough quality.

I think if Sinclair goes and Adama not being fit enough, or even playing then we might be a wide player short.

Right back
2 Centre mids
wide player
striker.

Job's a good 'un.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 27, 2016, 08:43:38 AM: Quote from: Ads on July 27, 2016, 08:27:38 AM
I wonder if RDM fancies Green to have a big impact this season?

Last night certainly seemed like a test for the young players in the main.
I hope so, he's a better option, and seems more direct than Bacuna.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VinnieChase84 on July 27, 2016, 09:23:44 AM: I am pretty much preparing myself to see Bacuna start wide right of the 3 behind the striker v Wednesday.
It's a shame that are looking like anymore incomings will be after he season starts. Those first few games could cost us in the long run if we don't hit the ground running.
Seems like we've been after a striker for forever
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VinnieChase84 on July 27, 2016, 09:25:37 AM: Quote from: N'ZMAV on July 27, 2016, 08:43:08 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 27, 2016, 08:18:54 AM
I think dependant on who goes we'll need a right back, two midfielders and a striker.
I agree, I think we're ok for GK, and centre backs. We seem pretty well stocked at left back, with decent enough quality.

I think if Sinclair goes and Adama not being fit enough, or even playing then we might be a wide player short.

Right back
2 Centre mids
wide player
striker.

Job's a good 'un.

I can't see us bringing in another 5 players. 3 tops I 'recon'
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villa Lew on July 27, 2016, 09:28:05 AM: Guzan could be on his way, if this news is correct.

http://www.gazettelive.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/brad-guzan-middlesbrough-fc-set-11668270
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 27, 2016, 09:39:19 AM: I think we'd all like a new midfielder but whilst Gana/Vertout and Sanchez are all on the books I cannot see that happening.

That said, if those three were still here then you'd hope/think that - once committed and enjoying themselves - they'd be a match for 90% of the league's teams. They're not a bad, complementary three, with Westwood/Gardner/Tish as back-up.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Gareth on July 27, 2016, 10:02:13 AM: What has happened to Jed Steer? Not sure he has figured at all in preseason?

Was hoping he would be number two to Gollini with Guzan & Bunn on way out!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sid1964 on July 27, 2016, 10:14:32 AM: I would be surprised if Tish has been brought as a back up
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on July 27, 2016, 10:29:12 AM: I don't think replacing Hutton is a necessity. So, I think we'll be looking at 2 maybe 3 more - midfield, wide player (maybe), and forward.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 27, 2016, 10:44:43 AM: Quote from: sid1964 on July 27, 2016, 10:14:32 AM
I would be surprised if Tish has been brought as a back up

What makes you think that? I think he'll be a definate starter (don't hold me to it)
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KRS on July 27, 2016, 10:48:17 AM: We need a couple of goal scoring midfielders and a mobile striker to complement Ayew.

All the current crop contribute little in terms of goals, assists and creativity, so if this isn't going to be improved then we are going to struggle to score and break teams down. How many times have we seen our midfielders get into decent positions but either misplace the final ball or have a poor shot at goal. Veretout, Sanchez and Grealish are particularly goal shy, where as Westwood and Gana are the main culprits for blazing shots off target, and it really would be soul destroying to see this continue.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: FranzBiberkopf on July 27, 2016, 11:27:51 AM: Quote
We need a couple of goal scoring midfielders and a mobile striker to complement Ayew.

All the current crop contribute little in terms of goals, assists and creativity, so if this isn't going to be improved then we are going to struggle to score and break teams down. How many times have we seen our midfielders get into decent positions but either misplace the final ball or have a poor shot at goal. Veretout, Sanchez and Grealish are particularly goal shy, where as Westwood and Gana are the main culprits for blazing shots off target, and it really would be soul destroying to see this continue.

Spot on. I know last season was abysmal but to have your two centre midfielders in Veretout and Gana contribute zero league goals between them was scandalous. Then you couple that with wide mean who didn't chip in (Sinclair arguably excepted) and its no wonder we stunk the house out.

We need centre midfielders to contribute 5 goals a piece, and to create about double that if we're to go up.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 27, 2016, 12:32:52 PM: I would love for us to get a Defoe type player. I've always loved how he is able to find space and get off shots. We don't take enough shots at goal, haven't done in a few years. He's a huge reason why Sunderland stayed up because he is a genuine threat every time the ball is played into the penalty area. We simply haven't had that and even when we had Benteke who would have been so much better with an instinctive forward playing up with him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on July 27, 2016, 12:39:39 PM: Quote from: peter w on July 27, 2016, 10:29:12 AM
I don't think replacing Hutton is a necessity

who's going to play right back if we don't ?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on July 27, 2016, 12:40:44 PM: Difficult one but I'd probably go for Hutton.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on July 27, 2016, 12:46:08 PM: McCormack and Bridcutt still haven't moved as yet. I wonder if the delay is because we need to shift players out before these two come in? Less so McCormack, due to age and resale value, but I think Bridcutt might be a pretty good acquisition, with something to prove. I think Gana will go, so we DO need another midfielder.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 27, 2016, 01:13:30 PM: Veretout's loan to OM is off according to talkshite
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on July 27, 2016, 01:14:27 PM: Quote from: peter w on July 27, 2016, 12:40:44 PM
Difficult one but I'd probably go for Hutton.

and there's the problem with not replacing Hutton
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on July 27, 2016, 01:16:27 PM: I hope this means we at least give him a chance to show his abilities in actual matches and re-assess closer to the end of the window, rather than just panic-loaning him, at a subsidised rate, to whichever French club next comes in for him, or Betis, as rumoured.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Joshua Fineman on July 27, 2016, 01:18:47 PM: Gana off to Everton then..

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/jul/26/everton-aston-villa-release-clause-idrissa-gueye
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Richard E on July 27, 2016, 01:23:38 PM: http://7500toholte.sbnation.com/2016/7/27/12294706/villa-must-get-an-auction-going-for-idrissa-gana

Do you want to explain to them, or shall I?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on July 27, 2016, 01:30:37 PM: Can someone explain this release clause thing to me. To my basic logic, if a player has a release clause set at 7.2m why would any other club put in a bid over that?

Tom Ross and some bloke off WM were saying the club now expect increased bids from other parties. Why ?

If he can leave for 7.2m then surely bidding that much gets you talks with the player and his agent and it's up to Gana whoever he signs for at that price

Right?

Wrong?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: old man villa fan on July 27, 2016, 01:31:28 PM: Quote from: peter w on July 27, 2016, 10:29:12 AM
I don't think replacing Hutton is a necessity. So, I think we'll be looking at 2 maybe 3 more - midfield, wide player (maybe), and forward.

What does Hutton offer that makes you think he is adequate even at this level, putting aside the fact we would have to replace him if we get promoted.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on July 27, 2016, 01:40:29 PM: Quote from: Richard E on July 27, 2016, 01:23:38 PM
http://7500toholte.sbnation.com/2016/7/27/12294706/villa-must-get-an-auction-going-for-idrissa-gana

Do you want to explain to them, or shall I?

On Twitter, he's saying that Kante's release clause was £22m but that Leicester got £32m because there was a clause in the clause that allowed them to accept the highest bid over the release figure.

He doesn't explain this very well in his article but he might have a point (or he might be talking bollocks)
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on July 27, 2016, 01:42:59 PM: Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on July 27, 2016, 01:30:37 PM

Can someone explain this release clause thing to me. To my basic logic, if a player has a release clause set at 7.2m why would any other club put in a bid over that?

Tom Ross and some bloke off WM were saying the club now expect increased bids from other parties. Why ?

If he can leave for 7.2m then surely bidding that much gets you talks with the player and his agent and it's up to Gana whoever he signs for at that price

Right?

Wrong?

The SB Nation writer is claiming (I don't know whether he's right or not) that clauses could be written so that the highest bid over the release figure can be accepted.

If so, it puts paid to our latest trope/meme
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on July 27, 2016, 01:46:34 PM: Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on July 27, 2016, 01:14:27 PM
Quote from: peter w on July 27, 2016, 12:40:44 PM
Difficult one but I'd probably go for Hutton.

and there's the problem with not replacing Hutton

He's good enough to play in the Championship.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: RussellC on July 27, 2016, 01:49:08 PM: Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on July 27, 2016, 12:39:39 PM
Quote from: peter w on July 27, 2016, 10:29:12 AM
I don't think replacing Hutton is a necessity

who's going to play right back if we don't ?

I actually thought Lyden looked quite decent there last night.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Lastfootstamper on July 27, 2016, 02:10:53 PM: Quote from: UK Redsox on July 27, 2016, 01:42:59 PM
Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on July 27, 2016, 01:30:37 PM

Can someone explain this release clause thing to me. To my basic logic, if a player has a release clause set at 7.2m why would any other club put in a bid over that?

Tom Ross and some bloke off WM were saying the club now expect increased bids from other parties. Why ?

If he can leave for 7.2m then surely bidding that much gets you talks with the player and his agent and it's up to Gana whoever he signs for at that price

Right?

Wrong?

The SB Nation writer is claiming (I don't know whether he's right or not) that clauses could be written so that the highest bid over the release figure can be accepted.

If so, it puts paid to our latest trope/meme

I can't see that, it seems unwieldy.

I reckon he's got pulled up beforehand on "let's hope it starts a bidding war", and has come up with that so's his mates don't think he's a bit of a, well, let's say "noob"!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cdward on July 27, 2016, 02:41:29 PM: Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on July 27, 2016, 01:14:27 PM
Quote from: peter w on July 27, 2016, 12:40:44 PM
Difficult one but I'd probably go for Hutton.

and there's the problem with not replacing Hutton
The problem with not replacing Hutton, is you are left with Hutton.
Seriously though, I think Hutton will be comfortable at Championship level, wasn't there some stat recently about him being our fastest player and in the top 10 fastest PL players last season.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2809309/Phil-Jagielka-officially-fastest-player-Premier-League-no-not-joking.html
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on July 27, 2016, 02:44:06 PM: Quote from: TheMalandro on July 27, 2016, 01:46:34 PM
Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on July 27, 2016, 01:14:27 PM
Quote from: peter w on July 27, 2016, 12:40:44 PM
Difficult one but I'd probably go for Hutton.

and there's the problem with not replacing Hutton

He's good enough to play in the Championship.

But why is he ? the same faults in his game will still be there as always. He's 'ok' defensively (well, when he's in position) but he's completely useless going further up field.

We're not playing pub teams this season, it's a very competitive league with lots of decent players who will exploit his weaknesses no doubt
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: old man villa fan on July 27, 2016, 02:48:19 PM: Quote from: cdward on July 27, 2016, 02:41:29 PM
Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on July 27, 2016, 01:14:27 PM
Quote from: peter w on July 27, 2016, 12:40:44 PM
Difficult one but I'd probably go for Hutton.

and there's the problem with not replacing Hutton
The problem with not replacing Hutton, is you are left with Hutton.
Seriously though, I think Hutton will be comfortable at Championship level, wasn't there some stat recently about him being our fastest player and in the top 10 fastest PL players last season.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2809309/Phil-Jagielka-officially-fastest-player-Premier-League-no-not-joking.html

The problem is that he is only fast in one direction. Add into the equation that the statistic is more than likely without the ball.

I still cannot see what parts of his game make people think he will be good enough at this level.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 27, 2016, 02:49:38 PM: Hutton flatters to deceive. His forays whilst welcome against a back drop of ugly dull football, they rarely amount to anything except our right back being at the wrong end of the field.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on July 27, 2016, 03:01:54 PM: Quote from: ChicagoLion on July 27, 2016, 02:49:38 PM
Hutton flatters to deceive. His forays whilst welcome against a back drop of ugly dull football, they rarely amount to anything except our right back being at the wrong end of the field.

Yup. This all day long
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on July 27, 2016, 03:37:06 PM: Quote from: old man villa fan on July 27, 2016, 01:31:28 PM
Quote from: peter w on July 27, 2016, 10:29:12 AM
I don't think replacing Hutton is a necessity. So, I think we'll be looking at 2 maybe 3 more - midfield, wide player (maybe), and forward.

What does Hutton offer that makes you think he is adequate even at this level, putting aside the fact we would have to replace him if we get promoted.

Nothing more than a bang average player. But we're not going to go up with a team of 11 premier League level players so in some areas we will have to do with what we have. Hutton is a Championship level player and should be okay for the season. I wouldn't want him any further past this season though.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on July 27, 2016, 03:38:05 PM: Apparently Man U are looking to send Wilson on a seasons loan. Worth a shout?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ClaretAndBlueBlood on July 27, 2016, 03:47:04 PM: Quote from: peter w on July 27, 2016, 03:38:05 PM
Apparently Man U are looking to send Wilson on a seasons loan. Worth a shout?

didn't seem to do much at brighton last season, not overly fussed and depends what other options we have
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 27, 2016, 03:58:29 PM: Quote from: peter w on July 27, 2016, 03:37:06 PM
Quote from: old man villa fan on July 27, 2016, 01:31:28 PM
Quote from: peter w on July 27, 2016, 10:29:12 AM
I don't think replacing Hutton is a necessity. So, I think we'll be looking at 2 maybe 3 more - midfield, wide player (maybe), and forward.

What does Hutton offer that makes you think he is adequate even at this level, putting aside the fact we would have to replace him if we get promoted.

Nothing more than a bang average player. But we're not going to go up with a team of 11 premier League level players so in some areas we will have to do with what we have. Hutton is a Championship level player and should be okay for the season. I wouldn't want him any further past this season though.

Once upon a time in land far away , Spurzzz paid £9 million to Rangers for him ??? £9 MILLION ??
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on July 27, 2016, 04:07:16 PM: I suppose it depends on how we are going to play, if its full backs bombing on - I would not want Hutton doing that again. But I still think he's good enough for this league.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on July 27, 2016, 04:11:49 PM: Hutton is quick. That instantly makes him one of the better full backs in the league.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Des Little on July 27, 2016, 04:15:19 PM: Quote from: peter w on July 27, 2016, 03:38:05 PM
Apparently Man U are looking to send Wilson on a seasons loan. Worth a shout?

It's a yes from me
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Brend'Watkins on July 27, 2016, 04:15:56 PM: Hutton is the least of our worries for this league. Besides, he has the right attitude which is a damn sight more than the majority of the rest.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on July 27, 2016, 05:39:43 PM: Think Hutton will thrive on the rough tough feeling of the championship. Also `big`tackles are more acceptable in this league ....
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: LTA on July 27, 2016, 05:58:10 PM: Some statement if true. Shame the doctor wont show that sort of ambition

Take a look at @WolvesMail's Tweet: https://twitter.com/WolvesMail/status/758308146100121600?s=09
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: FatSam on July 27, 2016, 06:01:26 PM: Quote from: VILLA MOLE on July 27, 2016, 03:58:29 PM
Once upon a time in land far away , Spurzzz paid £9 million to Rangers for him ??? £9 MILLION ??

It was around the same time that we paid £7.8 million to Rangers for Carlos Cuellar. Make of that what you will.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Gareth on July 27, 2016, 06:03:13 PM: Quote from: LTA on July 27, 2016, 05:58:10 PM
Some statement if true. Shame the doctor wont show that sort of ambition

Take a look at @WolvesMail's Tweet: https://twitter.com/WolvesMail/status/758308146100121600?s=09

So, Wolves transfer business is the latest reason to slag off Villa?

Two months & we haven't signed Messi....lets question the ambition!

This is not Football Manager
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: LTA on July 27, 2016, 06:08:59 PM: Quote from: Gareth on July 27, 2016, 06:03:13 PM
Quote from: LTA on July 27, 2016, 05:58:10 PM
Some statement if true. Shame the doctor wont show that sort of ambition

Take a look at @WolvesMail's Tweet: https://twitter.com/WolvesMail/status/758308146100121600?s=09

So, Wolves transfer business is the latest reason to slag off Villa?

Two months & we haven't signed Messi....lets question the ambition!

This is not Football Manager

At least it shows there intent that theyre not going to piss about. If its true, then its another club we wont be able to compete with.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on July 27, 2016, 06:15:16 PM: Quote from: LTA on July 27, 2016, 06:08:59 PM
Quote from: Gareth on July 27, 2016, 06:03:13 PM
Quote from: LTA on July 27, 2016, 05:58:10 PM
Some statement if true. Shame the doctor wont show that sort of ambition

Take a look at @WolvesMail's Tweet: https://twitter.com/WolvesMail/status/758308146100121600?s=09

So, Wolves transfer business is the latest reason to slag off Villa?

Two months & we haven't signed Messi....lets question the ambition!

This is not Football Manager

At least it shows there intent that theyre not going to piss about. If its true, then its another club we wont be able to compete with.

Go buy a Steve Bull shirt then
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cheltenhamlion on July 27, 2016, 06:19:51 PM: Do you remember when they were paying more than most top flight clubs and took a million years to get promoted?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SashasGrandad on July 27, 2016, 06:21:00 PM: Quote from: Ads on July 27, 2016, 04:11:49 PM
Hutton is quick. That instantly makes him one of the better full backs in the league.

A drag racing car is quick - but like Hutton it takes too long to turn round and go backwards.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cheltenhamlion on July 27, 2016, 06:25:52 PM: I think with Hutton it is a question of priorities. Can he do well as a right back in that league? Yes. Might we be less exposed if he goes gallivanting up the pitch given the weaker opposition? Yes. Will his, erm, sturdy style of play be better suited to this division? Without a doubt.

I would love us to go and get Kyle Walker back but that isn't realistic. Hutton will be alright this season. If we have to pick and choose where to add talent others can't afford in this division, I wouldn't be starting with a right back.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on July 27, 2016, 06:29:21 PM: Quote from: LTA on July 27, 2016, 06:08:59 PM
Quote from: Gareth on July 27, 2016, 06:03:13 PM
Quote from: LTA on July 27, 2016, 05:58:10 PM
Some statement if true. Shame the doctor wont show that sort of ambition

Take a look at @WolvesMail's Tweet: https://twitter.com/WolvesMail/status/758308146100121600?s=09

So, Wolves transfer business is the latest reason to slag off Villa?

Two months & we haven't signed Messi....lets question the ambition!

This is not Football Manager

At least it shows there intent that theyre not going to piss about. If its true, then its another day when I can come on here and have a whinge.

Fixed.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on July 27, 2016, 06:45:58 PM: He can alternate the Steve Bull shirt with his Jeff Astle one.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on July 27, 2016, 06:48:59 PM: Quote from: brian green on July 27, 2016, 06:45:58 PM
He can alternate the Steve Bull shirt with his Jeff Astle one.

Says the man of multiple shirts
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ktvillan on July 27, 2016, 07:04:31 PM: Quote from: ChicagoLion on July 27, 2016, 02:49:38 PM
Hutton flatters to deceive. His forays whilst welcome against a back drop of ugly dull football, they rarely amount to anything except our right back being at the wrong end of the field.

This is spot on. Add in the fact he only ever jogs back, usually just in time to get an excellent view of the man he should be marking setting up or scoring a goal, and is prone to frequent red-card level assaults, and I can only see him as a complete liability at whatever level he plays.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on July 27, 2016, 07:06:24 PM: Quote from: LTA on July 27, 2016, 05:58:10 PM
Some statement if true. Shame the doctor wont show that sort of ambition

Take a look at @WolvesMail's Tweet: https://twitter.com/WolvesMail/status/758308146100121600?s=09

And if not?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on July 27, 2016, 07:19:16 PM: Why weren't you in here jumping up and down when a rag linked us with a £24 million Islam Slimani?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cheltenhamlion on July 27, 2016, 07:21:21 PM: Because he is an Olbiyun twat was my guess.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: manic-road on July 27, 2016, 07:22:17 PM: Quote from: Bren'd on July 27, 2016, 04:15:56 PM
Hutton is the least of our worries for this league. Besides, he has the right attitude which is a damn sight more than the majority of the rest.

Agree with that, even though he has been treated pretty shabbily at times in the past by the club he always gives his all. I think he will do well enough in the Championship.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Richard E on July 27, 2016, 07:31:17 PM: So Wolves are going to pay over the odds for a load of Portuguese players represented by the same super agent who was involved in the purchase of the club? Sounds legit.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: LeeB on July 27, 2016, 07:43:18 PM: Putting Talisca in that Wolves side is mental. It would be like being served gruel in a solid gold dish.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: paul_e on July 27, 2016, 08:20:31 PM: Quote from: manic-road on July 27, 2016, 07:22:17 PM
Quote from: Bren'd on July 27, 2016, 04:15:56 PM
Hutton is the least of our worries for this league. Besides, he has the right attitude which is a damn sight more than the majority of the rest.

Agree with that, even though he has been treated pretty shabbily at times in the past by the club he always gives his all. I think he will do well enough in the Championship.

He tackles like he wants an early shower, tracks back like he hasn't a care in the world and is one of the worst crossers I've ever seen, rendering his main 'value' of being able to get forward quick utterly pointless. Giving him a new contract was as bad as giving Gabby a new one when he clearly had no interest in playing. Hutton is just fundamentally a shit fullback, dropping down a level won't change that and he'd be comfortably top of the list of players to replace for me.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: The Man With A Stick on July 27, 2016, 08:20:58 PM: Quote from: LTA on July 27, 2016, 06:08:59 PM
Quote from: Gareth on July 27, 2016, 06:03:13 PM
Quote from: LTA on July 27, 2016, 05:58:10 PM
Some statement if true. Shame the doctor wont show that sort of ambition

Take a look at @WolvesMail's Tweet: https://twitter.com/WolvesMail/status/758308146100121600?s=09

So, Wolves transfer business is the latest reason to slag off Villa?

Two months & we haven't signed Messi....lets question the ambition!

This is not Football Manager

At least it shows there intent that theyre not going to piss about. If its true, then its another club we wont be able to compete with.

At least it might stop them from droning on about the bloody fifties.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on July 27, 2016, 08:25:20 PM: Guzan has gone to Boro.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: LeeB on July 27, 2016, 08:26:14 PM: Good. One down.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: four fornicholl on July 27, 2016, 08:27:26 PM: Quote from: Ads on July 27, 2016, 08:25:20 PM
Guzan has gone to Boro.
Will he play on Saturday?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on July 27, 2016, 08:27:59 PM: That's them done for then.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: four fornicholl on July 27, 2016, 08:31:39 PM: Gone on a free? Hes a bench warmer I would think.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villafirst on July 27, 2016, 08:32:03 PM: Hutton isn't good enough. End of. Disappointed that a top class RB hasn't been brought in. I have serious doubts that any more money is available for transfers without raising funds first. Mostly the same dross still there.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on July 27, 2016, 08:36:02 PM: Quote from: Villafirst on July 27, 2016, 08:32:03 PM
Hutton isn't good enough. End of. Disappointed that a top class RB hasn't been brought in. I have serious doubts that any more money is available for transfers without raising funds first. Mostly the same dross still there.

It's not about raising money first, however many times you say it.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 27, 2016, 08:36:14 PM: Man City ready to pay about £50m for John Stones. I'm almost glad we aren't part of the PL insanity this season.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: LukeJames on July 27, 2016, 08:37:36 PM: Quote from: LTA on July 27, 2016, 05:58:10 PM
Some statement if true. Shame the doctor wont show that sort of ambition

Take a look at @WolvesMail's Tweet: https://twitter.com/WolvesMail/status/758308146100121600?s=09

It may be true but I'm yet too see a credible story about it, for example the tweet you linked too had 16 re-tweets, to put this into context, 2 hours ago my mate tweeted a picture of a rolo yoghurt because it didn't have any of the chocolatey part on it after he'd opened it...... He got 37 re-tweets.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tony Erdington on July 27, 2016, 08:39:28 PM: Quote from: Ads on July 27, 2016, 08:25:20 PM
Guzan has gone to Boro.

one reason to be optimistic
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Rudy65 on July 27, 2016, 08:45:11 PM: Quote from: LeeB on July 27, 2016, 07:43:18 PM
Putting Talisca in that Wolves side is mental. It would be like being served gruel in a solid gold dish.

If he is that food, he wont go. Surely
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 27, 2016, 08:46:35 PM: Quote from: Rudy65 on July 27, 2016, 08:45:11 PM
Quote from: LeeB on July 27, 2016, 07:43:18 PM
Putting Talisca in that Wolves side is mental. It would be like being served gruel in a solid gold dish.

If he is that food, he wont go. Surely

Gabby will have eaten him before he signs for them.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Rudy65 on July 27, 2016, 08:47:31 PM: Quote from: LTA on July 27, 2016, 06:08:59 PM
Quote from: Gareth on July 27, 2016, 06:03:13 PM
Quote from: LTA on July 27, 2016, 05:58:10 PM
Some statement if true. Shame the doctor wont show that sort of ambition

Take a look at @WolvesMail's Tweet: https://twitter.com/WolvesMail/status/758308146100121600?s=09

So, Wolves transfer business is the latest reason to slag off Villa?

Two months & we haven't signed Messi....lets question the ambition!

This is not Football Manager

At least it shows there intent that theyre not going to piss about. If its true, then its another club we wont be able to compete with.

Carsen Yeung reckond he was going to spend £100m in the Jan transfer window following their takeover and look what happended.

Let them spend a few quid before using them as a comparison to slag our owners off
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on July 27, 2016, 09:32:24 PM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on July 27, 2016, 08:36:14 PM
Man City ready to pay about £50m for John Stones. I'm almost glad we aren't part of the PL insanity this season.

£50m for someone who wasn't deemed good enough to play in the euro's.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on July 27, 2016, 09:43:04 PM: Quote from: LeeB on July 27, 2016, 07:43:18 PM
Putting Talisca in that Wolves side is mental. It would be like being served gruel in a solid gold dish.

Probably Talisker.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on July 27, 2016, 10:07:16 PM: I had some of that in a restaurant once. Baked Talisker.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KRS on July 27, 2016, 10:19:36 PM: Quote from: LTA on July 27, 2016, 05:58:10 PM
Some statement if true. Shame the doctor wont show that sort of ambition

Take a look at @WolvesMail's Tweet: https://twitter.com/WolvesMail/status/758308146100121600?s=09
So in the article, the new owners are quoted as saying...
Quote
We have said we will invest between £20 and £30m over the next two years. That is a necessity and if necessary we can put more money in.
...so naturally it makes sense that they are going to spend most of that on one player. Umkay.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 27, 2016, 10:21:48 PM: Quote from: brian green on July 27, 2016, 10:07:16 PM
I had some of that in a restaurant once. Baked Talisker.

*Removes hat*
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 27, 2016, 10:26:53 PM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on July 27, 2016, 08:46:35 PM
Quote from: Rudy65 on July 27, 2016, 08:45:11 PM
Quote from: LeeB on July 27, 2016, 07:43:18 PM
Putting Talisca in that Wolves side is mental. It would be like being served gruel in a solid gold dish.

If he is that food, he wont go. Surely

Gabby will have eaten him before he signs for them.

Are we still on about the rolo?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on July 27, 2016, 10:38:06 PM: If Ghana is off to Everton (the only player they can get from anywhere and that's cos there's a release clause) I really really think we should have Arouna Koné as a make weight. The guys 32 and out of contract next season but would be excellent addiction. Say we offer 3 million . Yes he can be injury prone and there is African nations coming up but he would be amazing for villa and fire us up . Decent striker and most realistic target to get.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on July 27, 2016, 10:42:17 PM: 32, injury prone, off to the African Nations Cup. What could possibly go wrong.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: paul_e on July 27, 2016, 11:50:20 PM: You forgot to mention that he doesn't score goals, less than 1 in 6 for everton. He has had, in his career, about a season and a half of looking capable of scoring at a decent level, he's right up there with the worst suggestions I've seen from footy.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 27, 2016, 11:51:33 PM: Quote from: Clampy on July 27, 2016, 09:32:24 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on July 27, 2016, 08:36:14 PM
Man City ready to pay about £50m for John Stones. I'm almost glad we aren't part of the PL insanity this season.

£50m for someone who wasn't deemed good enough to play in the euro's.

He can play next to Sterling. Another player who wasn't good enough to play at the Euros.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ian. on July 27, 2016, 11:53:36 PM: Quote from: Ads on July 27, 2016, 08:25:20 PM
Guzan has gone to Boro.
LTA will be pissed off then.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on July 28, 2016, 12:14:08 AM: Quote from: Ian J on July 27, 2016, 11:53:36 PM
Quote from: Ads on July 27, 2016, 08:25:20 PM
Guzan has gone to Boro.
LTA will be pissed off then.

Free transfer?

Fucking hell. We can't even do sell to buy properly.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 28, 2016, 05:13:23 AM: cost peanuts though didn't he and was abusing the club for a couple of years. Well rid and his salary can be better used elsewhere.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on July 28, 2016, 05:18:24 AM: We are stuck with Richards. David Moyes doesn't want him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villafirst on July 28, 2016, 05:36:43 AM: Quote from: Clampy on July 27, 2016, 08:36:02 PM
Quote from: Villafirst on July 27, 2016, 08:32:03 PM
Hutton isn't good enough. End of. Disappointed that a top class RB hasn't been brought in. I have serious doubts that any more money is available for transfers without raising funds first. Mostly the same dross still there.

It's not about raising money first, however many times you say it.

Mostly the same dross still there.....
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on July 28, 2016, 07:02:20 AM: Quote from: Villafirst on July 28, 2016, 05:36:43 AM
Quote from: Clampy on July 27, 2016, 08:36:02 PM
Quote from: Villafirst on July 27, 2016, 08:32:03 PM
Hutton isn't good enough. End of. Disappointed that a top class RB hasn't been brought in. I have serious doubts that any more money is available for transfers without raising funds first. Mostly the same dross still there.

It's not about raising money first, however many times you say it.

Mostly the same dross still there.....

But that doesn't mean we have to sell to buy, it just means the same dross is still there.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ian. on July 28, 2016, 07:14:06 AM: Quote from: Ron Manager on July 28, 2016, 05:18:24 AM
We are stuck with Richards. David Moyes doesn't want him.
Hopefully the fantastic manager and tactician (so his mates and some press lead you to believe) Tim Sherwood will be back in work (one day) and snap him up.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 28, 2016, 07:29:45 AM: Tim got more out of Micah than Garde could.
Obviously I'm comparing two different turds here....
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on July 28, 2016, 07:58:01 AM: Quote from: paul_e on July 27, 2016, 11:50:20 PM
You forgot to mention that he doesn't score goals, less than 1 in 6 for everton. He has had, in his career, about a season and a half of looking capable of scoring at a decent level, he's right up there with the worst suggestions I've seen from footy.

I quite like Kone actually, he's not that bad a player. I didn't realise he was 32 though.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 28, 2016, 08:59:07 AM: obviously there is no suggestion at all that we are in for him, but if we are looking at players of that ilk to fire us back into the PL, we're fooked.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: paul_e on July 28, 2016, 09:47:10 AM: Quote from: Clampy on July 28, 2016, 07:58:01 AM
Quote from: paul_e on July 27, 2016, 11:50:20 PM
You forgot to mention that he doesn't score goals, less than 1 in 6 for everton. He has had, in his career, about a season and a half of looking capable of scoring at a decent level, he's right up there with the worst suggestions I've seen from footy.

I quite like Kone actually, he's not that bad a player. I didn't realise he was 32 though.

Decent looking player but doesn't score or create so it would be like signing Heskey again.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: chrisw1 on July 28, 2016, 09:51:53 AM: Quote from: mr underhill on July 28, 2016, 05:13:23 AM
cost peanuts though didn't he and was abusing the club for a couple of years. Well rid and his salary can be better used elsewhere.

Losing confidence and form (behind an utterly shit team) is hardly akin to abusing the club. Neither is spitting a bit of chewing gum in one game. Him moving on is probably best for all, but hysterical language like this does no one any credit.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Richard E on July 28, 2016, 10:00:25 AM: From the E&S:-

"There has also been feverish speculation in Portugal that Benfica forward Talisca – reportedly worth £20million – is on Wolves’ radar, although Liverpool are also interested in the 22-year-old and it’s believed he’s not close to moving to Molineux."
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: RussellC on July 28, 2016, 10:26:44 AM: Quote from: chrisw1
Losing confidence and form (behind an utterly shit team) is hardly akin to abusing the club.

Not picking at you here Chris, but Guzan's about the 11th player I've seen being almost absolved of responsibility for last season as they played in a poor team. To my mind, every player who contributed to last season was poor, including Ayew. They team was poor because of them, not in spite of them. I'd say that was the case for the past 3 seasons too, the only real exceptions being Benteke and Delph, who played consistently well in otherwise poor teams.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: chrisw1 on July 28, 2016, 10:33:03 AM: Quote from: RussellC on July 28, 2016, 10:26:44 AM
Quote from: chrisw1
Losing confidence and form (behind an utterly shit team) is hardly akin to abusing the club.

Not picking at you here Chris, but Guzan's about the 11th player I've seen being almost absolved of responsibility for last season as they played in a poor team. To my mind, every player who contributed to last season was poor, including Ayew. They team was poor because of them, not in spite of them. I'd say that was the case for the past 3 seasons too, the only real exceptions being Benteke and Delph, who played consistently well in otherwise poor teams.
I'm not absolving him of responsibility at all. I think he played very poorly last season. All I'm saying s there is a difference between being short of confidence / form and 'abusing the club.'
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: RussellC on July 28, 2016, 10:36:50 AM: You're right, and I completely agree with that. I've just written on the Guzan depreciation thread that I think it's very unfair to group him with the players who's attitudes stank last season. He was shit, but I don't doubt for a second that he cared.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 28, 2016, 10:38:27 AM: Quote from: chrisw1 on July 28, 2016, 09:51:53 AM
Quote from: mr underhill on July 28, 2016, 05:13:23 AM
cost peanuts though didn't he and was abusing the club for a couple of years. Well rid and his salary can be better used elsewhere.

Losing confidence and form (behind an utterly shit team) is hardly akin to abusing the club. Neither is spitting a bit of chewing gum in one game. Him moving on is probably best for all, but hysterical language like this does no one any credit.

I also thought part of their deal was they would spend £15- 20 mil in total a year , so that would be all their
money spunked ?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 28, 2016, 10:46:01 AM: Nice after Ayew on loan?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: chrisw1 on July 28, 2016, 10:52:54 AM: There is no way we should let Ayew go unless he really forces the issue.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: in exile on July 28, 2016, 10:55:51 AM: Quote from: Ron Manager on July 28, 2016, 05:18:24 AM
We are stuck with Richards. David Moyes doesn't want him.
I'm not surprised
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on July 28, 2016, 11:01:17 AM: It was an article in L'Equipe saying Nice were interested in April 2014 and may be again.

There's no chance we'd loan him and I don't think we'd sell him either.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ryu on July 28, 2016, 11:42:13 AM: Yeah. It makes zero sense for us to loan him out. Xia says he's staying so you'd think we can afford his wages. Unless he starts making a stink which it doesn't appear he is I expect him to be starting for us against Wednesday.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Nastylee on July 28, 2016, 12:08:12 PM: There's no way Ayew is on a huge wage. Also, the french media spout bollocks. How many deals have they predicted involving our players this summer? Have any of them come off?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 28, 2016, 12:12:00 PM: lots and none. all merde.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on July 28, 2016, 01:00:52 PM: Quote from: Ron Manager on July 28, 2016, 05:18:24 AM
We are stuck with Richards. David Moyes doesn't want him.

...and that is why Moyes would have been an ok choice as Villa manager
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on July 28, 2016, 01:34:20 PM: Quote from: paul_e on July 27, 2016, 11:50:20 PM
You forgot to mention that he doesn't score goals, less than 1 in 6 for everton. He has had, in his career, about a season and a half of looking capable of scoring at a decent level, he's right up there with the worst suggestions I've seen from footy.

Okay I'll try and come back with someone more appeasing. Just thought he could at lower league do okay. I'll be back with another striker shout ! Don't go anywhere !
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oldtimernow on July 28, 2016, 01:36:44 PM: you have to love his enthusiasm
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: paul_e on July 28, 2016, 01:47:26 PM: Quote from: footyskillz on July 28, 2016, 01:34:20 PM
Quote from: paul_e on July 27, 2016, 11:50:20 PM
You forgot to mention that he doesn't score goals, less than 1 in 6 for everton. He has had, in his career, about a season and a half of looking capable of scoring at a decent level, he's right up there with the worst suggestions I've seen from footy.

Okay I'll try and come back with someone more appeasing. Just thought he could at lower league do okay. I'll be back with another striker shout ! Don't go anywhere !

Someone who scores goals and wouldn't be ridiculously over-priced is your target. If they're from a lower level I want them to have a 1 in 2 record and if they're from about where we are I'd accept 1 in 3.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oldtimernow on July 28, 2016, 01:56:45 PM: Quote from: paul_e on July 28, 2016, 01:47:26 PM
Quote from: footyskillz on July 28, 2016, 01:34:20 PM
Quote from: paul_e on July 27, 2016, 11:50:20 PM
You forgot to mention that he doesn't score goals, less than 1 in 6 for everton. He has had, in his career, about a season and a half of looking capable of scoring at a decent level, he's right up there with the worst suggestions I've seen from footy.

Okay I'll try and come back with someone more appeasing. Just thought he could at lower league do okay. I'll be back with another striker shout ! Don't go anywhere !

Someone who scores goals and wouldn't be ridiculously over-priced is your target. If they're from a lower level I want them to have a 1 in 2 record and if they're from about where we are I'd accept 1 in 3.

and plays in black boots too
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: rob_bridge on July 28, 2016, 01:58:20 PM: Maybe we could pick Altidore cheaply?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Richard E on July 28, 2016, 01:59:53 PM: Quote from: rob_bridge on July 28, 2016, 01:58:20 PM
Maybe we could pick Altidore cheaply?

It would have to be cheaper than a free transfer.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on July 28, 2016, 02:09:52 PM: What's Stefan Moore up to these days
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ClaretAndBlueBlood on July 28, 2016, 02:14:13 PM: Quote from: passitsideways on July 28, 2016, 02:09:52 PM
What's Stefan Moore up to these days

just signed on at Solihull Moors
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: in exile on July 28, 2016, 02:16:26 PM: Quote from: ClaretAndBlueBlood on July 28, 2016, 02:14:13 PM
just signed on ~~at Solihull Moors~~
Fixed
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on July 28, 2016, 02:34:48 PM: Quote from: rob_bridge on July 28, 2016, 01:58:20 PM
Maybe we could pick Altidore cheaply?

He's yesterday's man ! Mls have lots of strikers better than him. Like an ex I fallen out of love and moved on . Mls all stars play arsenal tonight ! There are a couple of strikers who are decent SEBASTIAN GIOVINCO is the man we should get as drogba and villa past it. Regards American options there's a chap called Dom Dwyer who looks decent and actually from UK. Anyway from prem league if we don't want kone then we looking at crouchie , Nugent, bamford or James Wilson
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on July 28, 2016, 02:37:14 PM: Quote from: in exile on July 28, 2016, 10:55:51 AM
Quote from: Ron Manager on July 28, 2016, 05:18:24 AM
We are stuck with Richards. David Moyes doesn't want him.
I'm not surprised

West ham need full backs he should go there or failing that he could go to mls or China
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 28, 2016, 02:48:18 PM: Is it fair to say that transfer activity has been a bit slow generally?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on July 28, 2016, 02:51:28 PM: Quote from: ChicagoLion on July 28, 2016, 02:48:18 PM
Is it fair to say that transfer activity has been a bit slow generally?

As slow as Nathan baker ! To be fair .
Hopefully a few surprises once the players are transferred out. Think some more activity after Boro match. And then after Luton cup match but still plenrly of time
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 28, 2016, 03:24:12 PM: looks like Sinclair could be on his way - deleted any Villa reference on his Twatter whatsit, apparently. I'd quite like Wilson on loan, but Kodjia looks a really good fit.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 28, 2016, 03:31:51 PM: Quote from: footyskillz on July 28, 2016, 02:51:28 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on July 28, 2016, 02:48:18 PM
Is it fair to say that transfer activity has been a bit slow generally?

As slow as Nathan baker ! To be fair .
Hopefully a few surprises once the players are transferred out. Think some more activity after Boro match. And then after Luton cup match but still plenrly of time
Cheers footy, transfers are a bit like house buying chains, the whole chain has to move.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: AVH87 on July 28, 2016, 03:46:29 PM: Xia did say 3-4 out this week. Guzan, Sinclair, Gana? Maybe Richards to Sunderland was the 4th before it collapsed, or Sanchez to Olympique Marseille.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 28, 2016, 03:46:53 PM: I just think we need to sign a forward regardless
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: four fornicholl on July 28, 2016, 04:10:04 PM: Quote from: footyskillz on July 28, 2016, 02:34:48 PM
Quote from: rob_bridge on July 28, 2016, 01:58:20 PM
Maybe we could pick Altidore cheaply?

He's yesterday's man ! Mls have lots of strikers better than him. Like an ex I fallen out of love and moved on . Mls all stars play arsenal tonight ! There are a couple of strikers who are decent SEBASTIAN GIOVINCO is the man we should get as drogba and villa past it. Regards American options there's a chap called Dom Dwyer who looks decent and actually from UK. Anyway from prem league if we don't want kone then we looking at crouchie , Nugent, bamford or James Wilson
That's called keeping your options open.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: alan_clarke on July 28, 2016, 04:43:35 PM: Quote from: mr underhill on July 28, 2016, 03:24:12 PM
looks like Sinclair could be on his way - deleted any Villa reference on his Twatter whatsit, apparently. I'd quite like Wilson on loan, but Kodjia looks a really good fit.

Like a scorned ex girlfriend?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Diablo on July 28, 2016, 04:45:07 PM: Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on July 28, 2016, 03:46:53 PM
I just think we need to sign a forward regardless

Yup! Yup! & Yup!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on July 28, 2016, 04:46:46 PM: Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on July 28, 2016, 03:46:53 PM
I just think we need to sign a forward regardless

Agree. I think it would give everyone a bit of a lift.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villafirst on July 28, 2016, 05:48:00 PM: Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on July 28, 2016, 03:46:53 PM
I just think we need to sign a forward regardless

Agree, it's been crying out for a new striker since RDM took over. Worries me as to the transfer money available. All these promised funds seem to have evaporated.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on July 28, 2016, 06:02:50 PM: Quote from: Villafirst on July 28, 2016, 05:48:00 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on July 28, 2016, 03:46:53 PM
I just think we need to sign a forward regardless

Agree, it's been crying out for a new striker since RDM took over. Worries me as to the transfer money available. All these promised funds seem to have evaporated.

What makes you say that? Because we haven't signed nobody for a couple of weeks? For christ's sake.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 28, 2016, 06:09:20 PM: Jordan Ayew wants to join West Ham instead of OGC Nice, according to sensational reports in France.
Ayew, 24, was one of Aston Villa’s star performers in the Premier League last season, and it was widely expected that he would leave following their relegation.
According to French publication, L'Equipe, says French club Nice are moving for Ayew and hope to bring the former Marseille striker back to France.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VinnieChase84 on July 28, 2016, 08:08:17 PM: Rumours of Ricky Lambert again. Would be a diabolical signing. Even less mobile than Gestede.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oldham_villa on July 28, 2016, 08:20:51 PM: lol, seriously. A bit of experience is decent, but like you say, we need mobility too
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: berneboy on July 28, 2016, 08:32:41 PM: Quote from: ChicagoLion on July 28, 2016, 02:48:18 PM
Is it fair to say that transfer activity has been a bit slow generally?

Well, we've bought three players and been told by Dr Tone what is to happen. I.e. ditch a few players this week and then buy including a striker. I don't think there's any need to worry but I always like to open my birthday presents early!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on July 28, 2016, 08:38:18 PM: Quote from: hoyle87 on July 28, 2016, 03:46:29 PM
Xia did say 3-4 out this week. Guzan, Sinclair, Gana? Maybe Richards to Sunderland was the 4th before it collapsed, or Sanchez to Olympique Marseille.

Richards to Sunderland is a good shout as fat fuck gets the England job and Moyes ends their interest in signing him. Upsetting Dr Tony in the meantime. Welcome to football Doc.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: leylandalbion on July 28, 2016, 08:41:04 PM: Quote from: alan_clarke on July 28, 2016, 04:43:35 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on July 28, 2016, 03:24:12 PM
looks like Sinclair could be on his way - deleted any Villa reference on his Twatter whatsit, apparently. I'd quite like Wilson on loan, but Kodjia looks a really good fit.

Like a scorned ex girlfriend?
Not done a very good job his profile picture is in a villa shirt
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villafirst on July 28, 2016, 09:56:02 PM: Quote from: Clampy on July 28, 2016, 06:02:50 PM
Quote from: Villafirst on July 28, 2016, 05:48:00 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on July 28, 2016, 03:46:53 PM
I just think we need to sign a forward regardless

Agree, it's been crying out for a new striker since RDM took over. Worries me as to the transfer money available. All these promised funds seem to have evaporated.

What makes you say that? Because we haven't signed nobody for a couple of weeks? For christ's sake.

I just think the planning is poor with a week to go before the kick off. What chance have these potential new signings got to bed in with the 'squad'? I hope I'm proved wrong but I'm not convinced on the transfer funds.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sickbeggar on July 28, 2016, 10:03:48 PM: Quote from: Villafirst on July 28, 2016, 09:56:02 PM
Quote from: Clampy on July 28, 2016, 06:02:50 PM
Quote from: Villafirst on July 28, 2016, 05:48:00 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on July 28, 2016, 03:46:53 PM
I just think we need to sign a forward regardless

Agree, it's been crying out for a new striker since RDM took over. Worries me as to the transfer money available. All these promised funds seem to have evaporated.

What makes you say that? Because we haven't signed nobody for a couple of weeks? For christ's sake.

I just think the planning is poor with a week to go before the kick off. What chance have these potential new signings got to bed in with the 'squad'? I hope I'm proved wrong but I'm not convinced on the transfer funds.

yep you have to say we need a championship level striker unless they think our lot will suddenly start hitting the net at a lower level. Gestede i suppose has form if we play to his stengths but the rest? Can't see any of the rest getting 15-20 goals nor a vast amount coming from midfield
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Richard on July 28, 2016, 10:11:14 PM: People have to remember it's not the Premier League and plenty of our rivals have bought no one decent as far as I can tell. Look at some of the mediocre teams finishing top 10 last season - blues Ipswich Brentford Cardiff. Let's see how things have panned out by Sept 1st before we start to panic.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sickbeggar on July 28, 2016, 10:14:37 PM: Still a forward line with Ayew as top scorer (if he's still here) on 7 goals and a midfield where no-one got more than 2 goals all season doesn't bode well to me
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on July 28, 2016, 10:33:29 PM: Ayew staying is huge. He is good for 15 ish, Gestede too. Grealish will get 10 I reckon. Gardner 5-6, Tishbola a couple.

We need a wide player, a striker and a creative midfielder, and possibly a holding midfielder before the end of September but there is no point buyng for the sake of it before seeing where the hoels will be. Time and patience needed
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Gregorys Boy on July 28, 2016, 10:37:12 PM: Quote from: VinnieChase84 on July 28, 2016, 08:08:17 PM
Rumours of Ricky Lambert again. Would be a diabolical signing. Even less mobile than Gestede.

Yeah the Lambert ship has sailed now. Oddly it might had been better for us to have signed him a couple of years ago. Then he had a fair bit of momentum and probably would have offered us something a bit different at least.

Quote from: sickbeggar on July 28, 2016, 10:14:37 PM

Still a forward line with Ayew as top scorer (if he's still here) on 7 goals and a midfield where no-one got more than 2 goals all season doesn't bode well to me

Think you have to give Ayew the benefit of the doubt for last season. It was his first season in English football, we were beyond terrible and he was one of the better performers. In the Championship I expect him to get a bit more space and can see him and Gustaide having a good season up front. Its just a case of if we can hold onto him. Would be a big blow to lose him, not least this close to the season. I think up front is the one position we actually look pretty strong.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: LukeJames on July 28, 2016, 10:43:08 PM: Quote from: Villafirst on July 28, 2016, 09:56:02 PM
Quote from: Clampy on July 28, 2016, 06:02:50 PM
Quote from: Villafirst on July 28, 2016, 05:48:00 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on July 28, 2016, 03:46:53 PM
I just think we need to sign a forward regardless

Agree, it's been crying out for a new striker since RDM took over. Worries me as to the transfer money available. All these promised funds seem to have evaporated.

What makes you say that? Because we haven't signed nobody for a couple of weeks? For christ's sake.

I just think the planning is poor with a week to go before the kick off. What chance have these potential new signings got to bed in with the 'squad'? I hope I'm proved wrong but I'm not convinced on the transfer funds.

We got the majority in early last season with time to bed in, how did that go? Stop wetting the bed.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sickbeggar on July 28, 2016, 10:45:30 PM: Quote from: Gregorys Boy on July 28, 2016, 10:37:12 PM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on July 28, 2016, 08:08:17 PM
Rumours of Ricky Lambert again. Would be a diabolical signing. Even less mobile than Gestede.

Yeah the Lambert ship has sailed now. Oddly it might had been better for us to have signed him a couple of years ago. Then he had a fair bit of momentum and probably would have offered us something a bit different at least.

Quote from: sickbeggar on July 28, 2016, 10:14:37 PM

Still a forward line with Ayew as top scorer (if he's still here) on 7 goals and a midfield where no-one got more than 2 goals all season doesn't bode well to me

Think you have to give Ayew the benefit of the doubt for last season. It was his first season in English football, we were beyond terrible and he was one of the better performers. In the Championship I expect him to get a bit more space and can see him and Gustaide having a good season up front. Its just a case of if we can hold onto him. Would be a big blow to lose him, not least this close to the season. I think up front is the one position we actually look pretty strong.

Don't get me wrong i think he's probably the best we have and its perplexing he's still here really.. Not sure he's a striker though or should be. I can see him causing chaos against some of the teams we'll play but i want a clinical striker with him who will bury the chances he creates and obvoiusly he will weigh in with a fair few himself. Gestede doesn't seem that player to me
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Gregorys Boy on July 28, 2016, 10:53:35 PM: True, I don't see Rudy as being a ruthless forward who bag 15-20 goals. But I do think he suits the Championship down to the ground and had a solid season first season for us. I can see him and Ayew making a pretty strong partneship. But take your point, maybe we still one old school goal machine.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on July 28, 2016, 11:08:32 PM: No chance Grealish and Gestede combined will get 25+ goals.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: paul_e on July 28, 2016, 11:28:20 PM: If he can get properly fit Kozak is that striker, unfortunately the injuries seem to have knackered him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: OCD on July 28, 2016, 11:38:05 PM: It's not just a matter of getting the strikers right. Last season in particular there was no creativity, no supply of chances for the strikers to take. It's a much bigger problem to have a team that doesn't create chances than one that does but the forwards aren't taking their chances. Gestede in particular is reliant on width and regular, good quality crosses. Amavi's the best one for that and as unpopular as this comment will be, Bacuna used to make a lot of Benteke's goals. Bennett might be another one but after that I'm struggling to think of anyone else who has a good cross on them.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on July 28, 2016, 11:57:40 PM: Quote from: ChicagoLion on July 28, 2016, 03:31:51 PM
Quote from: footyskillz on July 28, 2016, 02:51:28 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on July 28, 2016, 02:48:18 PM
Is it fair to say that transfer activity has been a bit slow generally?

As slow as Nathan baker ! To be fair .
Hopefully a few surprises once the players are transferred out. Think some more activity after Boro match. And then after Luton cup match but still plenrly of time
Cheers footy, transfers are a bit like house buying chains, the whole chain has to move.

That is a great analogy !
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on July 29, 2016, 05:17:40 AM: Quote from: OCD on July 28, 2016, 11:38:05 PM
It's not just a matter of getting the strikers right. Last season in particular there was no creativity, no supply of chances for the strikers to take. It's a much bigger problem to have a team that doesn't create chances than one that does but the forwards aren't taking their chances. Gestede in particular is reliant on width and regular, good quality crosses. Amavi's the best one for that and as unpopular as this comment will be, Bacuna used to make a lot of Benteke's goals. Bennett might be another one but after that I'm struggling to think of anyone else who has a good cross on them.

Yep, both things feed off one another. We struggled desperately with creating chances, especially from midfield, but it's even harder to do that if your striker is so statue-esque like Rudy and Gabby often were, because that means they're basically not creating any space. We looked a little more convincing going forward with Kozak, who despite not offering a goal threat, at least tried to find space and link play, as well as moving the centre backs around (which then means other players have to shift to cover, which then creates space). Hopefully he's healthy enough to play a role this season, but we absolutely can't count on him to be the first-choice forward. (I know we didn't score many goals with Kozak starting either, but the results were actually alright.)
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villafirst on July 29, 2016, 06:01:44 AM: Quote from: LukeJames on July 28, 2016, 10:43:08 PM
Quote from: Villafirst on July 28, 2016, 09:56:02 PM
Quote from: Clampy on July 28, 2016, 06:02:50 PM
Quote from: Villafirst on July 28, 2016, 05:48:00 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on July 28, 2016, 03:46:53 PM
I just think we need to sign a forward regardless

Agree, it's been crying out for a new striker since RDM took over. Worries me as to the transfer money available. All these promised funds seem to have evaporated.

What makes you say that? Because we haven't signed nobody for a couple of weeks? For christ's sake.

I just think the planning is poor with a week to go before the kick off. What chance have these potential new signings got to bed in with the 'squad'? I hope I'm proved wrong but I'm not convinced on the transfer funds.

We got the majority in early last season with time to bed in, how did that go? Stop wetting the bed.

My gut feeling last year was that it would be a poor season, and it's the same now. Most of the dross is still there who managed the grand total of 17 points.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on July 29, 2016, 06:39:05 AM: It may be that we don't have the infrastructure in place to have a list of approved championship level strikers on our transfer list, so RDM is taking some time to review form in friendlies. I doubt he was personally scouring Jonathan kodjia while at Schalke.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on July 29, 2016, 06:47:16 AM: Guzan, Gana and Sinclair likely to be gone within a few days.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sid1964 on July 29, 2016, 06:50:57 AM: Just read on the mail ready to listen to offers for Richards, Gabby etc...

Obviously these and others have been told that they have no future at the club by RDM
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on July 29, 2016, 06:54:24 AM: I cant see Richards or Lescott moving until late in the window when some dunce panics as they've missed out on targets.

I can't see Gabby moving at all!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on July 29, 2016, 07:05:24 AM: Quote from: Villafirst on July 29, 2016, 06:01:44 AM
Quote from: LukeJames on July 28, 2016, 10:43:08 PM
Quote from: Villafirst on July 28, 2016, 09:56:02 PM
Quote from: Clampy on July 28, 2016, 06:02:50 PM
Quote from: Villafirst on July 28, 2016, 05:48:00 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on July 28, 2016, 03:46:53 PM
I just think we need to sign a forward regardless

Agree, it's been crying out for a new striker since RDM took over. Worries me as to the transfer money available. All these promised funds seem to have evaporated.

What makes you say that? Because we haven't signed nobody for a couple of weeks? For christ's sake.

I just think the planning is poor with a week to go before the kick off. What chance have these potential new signings got to bed in with the 'squad'? I hope I'm proved wrong but I'm not convinced on the transfer funds.

We got the majority in early last season with time to bed in, how did that go? Stop wetting the bed.

My gut feeling last year was that it would be a poor season, and it's the same now. Most of the dross is still there who managed the grand total of 17 points.

And some of those eventually will be gone. We can't force players onto clubs.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on July 29, 2016, 07:32:39 AM: Contracts are contracts. We are forced by law to honour them. We are equally forced by common sense to get the best money we can when moving players out. Those two factors mean that there never was going to be an overnight purge of unwanted players. The clear out will take time. While that is going on we are assessing and evaluating potential acquisitions. It all has to be done intelligently and coolly.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Lastfootstamper on July 29, 2016, 07:46:39 AM: And I don't think players will be attracted to us if they see us summarily binning or attempting to bin players because we just don't like them any longer.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on July 29, 2016, 07:48:29 AM: Or baiting players for amusement.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on July 29, 2016, 08:13:38 AM: Quote from: aj2k77 on July 28, 2016, 11:08:32 PM
No chance Grealish and Gestede combined will get 25+ goals.

I wouldn't bet against it and I'm no fan of Rudy (as a footballer)
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Eckybloke on July 29, 2016, 08:25:44 AM: Quote from: Ads on July 29, 2016, 06:54:24 AM

I can't see Gabby moving at all!

In more ways than one!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dazvillain on July 29, 2016, 08:34:36 AM: Quote from: Ads on July 29, 2016, 06:47:16 AM
Guzan, Gana and Sinclair likely to be gone within a few days.
After the hype of ownership and managerial changes I feel a bit flat at the moment..... Add ayew to gana and Sinclair , as usual (but on a different level) our better players are leaving before poor ones .... Bacuna, lescott, Richards for example.
Plus it's raining on my day off again and I'm buying tickets for bloody Huddersfield !!!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on July 29, 2016, 08:35:13 AM: Quote from: TheMalandro on July 29, 2016, 08:13:38 AM
Quote from: aj2k77 on July 28, 2016, 11:08:32 PM
No chance Grealish and Gestede combined will get 25+ goals.

I wouldn't bet against it and I'm no fan of Rudy (as a footballer)

Where can I put in a bet? I like Jack but at this stage I think half a dozen this season will be a good outcome, along with a dozen assists. I feel if Rudy is played often enough to be a chance at getting into the 15-20 range, we're probably in trouble.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: in exile on July 29, 2016, 09:18:17 AM: Quote from: JUAN PABLO on July 28, 2016, 06:09:20 PM
Jordan Ayew wants to join West Ham instead of OGC Nice, according to sensational reports in France...

I wonder if they have the right Ayew as his brother Andre is being lined up in the British media for a move to West Ham from Swansea
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mattjpa on July 29, 2016, 09:40:08 AM: Quote from: sid1964 on July 29, 2016, 06:50:57 AM
Just read on the mail ready to listen to offers for Richards, Gabby etc...

Obviously these and others have been told that they have no future at the club by RDM
Ive just taken a dump and cant get the bastard to flush. Im now willing to listen to offers for it...
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: AVH87 on July 29, 2016, 09:43:05 AM: Quote from: Gregorys Boy on July 28, 2016, 10:53:35 PM
True, I don't see Rudy as being a ruthless forward who bag 15-20 goals. But I do think he suits the Championship down to the ground and had a solid season first season for us. I can see him and Ayew making a pretty strong partneship. But take your point, maybe we still one old school goal machine.

Gestede had a solid first season for us? He was absolutely woeful in general play and his goal return.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 29, 2016, 09:46:48 AM: Quote from: in exile on July 29, 2016, 09:18:17 AM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on July 28, 2016, 06:09:20 PM
Jordan Ayew wants to join West Ham instead of OGC Nice, according to sensational reports in France...

I wonder if they have the right Ayew as his brother Andre is being lined up in the British media for a move to West Ham from Swansea

lets hope or maybe it is Bacuna
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 29, 2016, 09:50:19 AM: it's definitely our one - these rumours go back a few months. Personally I think it's bullshit. I like our Ayew, but he's not good enough for West Ham.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dr Butler on July 29, 2016, 09:54:06 AM: Quote from: in exile on July 29, 2016, 09:18:17 AM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on July 28, 2016, 06:09:20 PM
Jordan Ayew wants to join West Ham instead of OGC Nice, according to sensational reports in France...

I wonder if they have the right Ayew as his brother Andre is being lined up in the British media for a move to West Ham from Swansea

West Ham are close to signing 26-year-old Swansea City forward Andre Ayew for £16m. (Sun)

I know it's that shitepaper the Sun

UTV
The Doc
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 29, 2016, 09:55:06 AM: Quote from: Dr Butler on July 29, 2016, 09:54:06 AM
Quote from: in exile on July 29, 2016, 09:18:17 AM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on July 28, 2016, 06:09:20 PM
Jordan Ayew wants to join West Ham instead of OGC Nice, according to sensational reports in France...

I wonder if they have the right Ayew as his brother Andre is being lined up in the British media for a move to West Ham from Swansea

West Ham are close to signing 26-year-old Swansea City forward Andre Ayew for £16m. (Sun)

I know it's that shitepaper the Sun

UTV
The Doc

now Id sell ours for £16 milllion
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on July 29, 2016, 10:20:52 AM: Quote from: Dazvillain on July 29, 2016, 08:34:36 AM
Quote from: Ads on July 29, 2016, 06:47:16 AM
Guzan, Gana and Sinclair likely to be gone within a few days.
After the hype of ownership and managerial changes I feel a bit flat at the moment..... Add ayew to gana and Sinclair , as usual (but on a different level) our better players are leaving before poor ones .... Bacuna, lescott, Richards for example.
Plus it's raining on my day off again and I'm buying tickets for bloody Huddersfield !!!

I think all three of those are poor to be honest.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 29, 2016, 10:34:17 AM: We're allowing Veretout to leave on loan
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: villasjf on July 29, 2016, 10:48:13 AM: Guzan has signed for the borough, Gana is apparently having a medical today according the Birmingham mail.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: AVH87 on July 29, 2016, 10:55:22 AM: The more players out the better as far as I'm concerned, as 90% either lack the ability or attitude/application required. Only ones I'd be sad to see go are Amavi, Ayew, Grealish or Traore.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Mister E on July 29, 2016, 11:06:34 AM: Quote from: hoyle87 on July 29, 2016, 09:43:05 AM
Quote from: Gregorys Boy on July 28, 2016, 10:53:35 PM
True, I don't see Rudy as being a ruthless forward who bag 15-20 goals. But I do think he suits the Championship down to the ground and had a solid season first season for us. I can see him and Ayew making a pretty strong partneship. But take your point, maybe we still one old school goal machine.

Gestede had a solid first season for us? He was absolutely woeful in general play and his goal return.
Gestede had one good season in the Championship; on the basis of which Dim Tim bought him.
I personally do not think he is up to it.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on July 29, 2016, 11:33:59 AM: Quote from: Mister E on July 29, 2016, 11:06:34 AM
Quote from: hoyle87 on July 29, 2016, 09:43:05 AM
Quote from: Gregorys Boy on July 28, 2016, 10:53:35 PM
True, I don't see Rudy as being a ruthless forward who bag 15-20 goals. But I do think he suits the Championship down to the ground and had a solid season first season for us. I can see him and Ayew making a pretty strong partneship. But take your point, maybe we still one old school goal machine.

Gestede had a solid first season for us? He was absolutely woeful in general play and his goal return.
Gestede had one good season in the Championship; on the basis of which Dim Tim bought him.
I personally do not think he is up to it.

Gestede had a 1 in 2 record for Blackburn.

12 goals in 22 games in his first season and then 22 goals in 44 games in his second season.

He's easily good enough to score 20 again.

Sherwood's biggest mistake was to sign somebody who is absolutely lethal in the air inside the 18 yard box, but only sign one person capable of putting in a decent cross. His second at Anfield was Andy Gray esq and the quality of the delivery was superb, but then the only person capable of giving us a bit of width went out for the season and guess what, no crosses and he struggles.

He's too limited to play in the top flight, but its not his fault that the manager who bought him didn't think to play to his strengths.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on July 29, 2016, 11:48:16 AM: Unless pre season has been a hoax I don't see us playing a style that relies on getting crosses into the box. And if that's the case then Gestede is about as useful as a meat grinder in Morrissey's kitchen utensil drawer

He literally has nothing else to offer. People used to say Bent was one dimensional, but come on. This plank is a whole new level
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 29, 2016, 12:39:52 PM: Are we being linked with anyone?

It's very quiet on the 'in' front which is what Dr Tony predicted for this week however it'd be nice be linked to some new players as the deals usually take a few weeks to sort themselves out.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on July 29, 2016, 12:59:55 PM: Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 29, 2016, 12:39:52 PM
Are we being linked with anyone?

It's very quiet on the 'in' front which is what Dr Tony predicted for this week however it'd be nice be linked to some new players as the deals usually take a few weeks to sort themselves out.

Yes, the carthorse that is Ricky Lambert and Patrick Bamford. If those pair come in and Ayew goes god help us. If Ayew stays and Bamford comes in as well that wouldn't be the worst thing in the world though I guess

But imagine this potential horror show ... Gestede, Lambert, Bamford

Slowest forward line since Micky Quinn and Akinfenwa
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 29, 2016, 01:03:42 PM: Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on July 29, 2016, 12:59:55 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 29, 2016, 12:39:52 PM
Are we being linked with anyone?

It's very quiet on the 'in' front which is what Dr Tony predicted for this week however it'd be nice be linked to some new players as the deals usually take a few weeks to sort themselves out.

Yes, the carthorse that is Ricky Lambert and Patrick Bamford. If those pair come in and Ayew goes god help us. If Ayew stays and Bamford comes in as well that wouldn't be the worst thing in the world though I guess

But imagine this potential horror show ... Gestede, Lambert, Bamford

Slowest forward line since Micky Quinn and Akinfenwa

Did Mickey (Fat pie faced twat) Quinn not score 25+ goals per season?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 29, 2016, 01:12:24 PM: Quote from: Ads on July 29, 2016, 11:33:59 AM
Gestede had a 1 in 2 record for Blackburn.

12 goals in 22 games in his first season and then 22 goals in 44 games in his second season.

He's easily good enough to score 20 again.

Sherwood's biggest mistake was to sign somebody who is absolutely lethal in the air inside the 18 yard box, but only sign one person capable of putting in a decent cross. His second at Anfield was Andy Gray esq and the quality of the delivery was superb, but then the only person capable of giving us a bit of width went out for the season and guess what, no crosses and he struggles.

He's too limited to play in the top flight, but its not his fault that the manager who bought him didn't think to play to his strengths.

I'd imagine the idea was that Amavi, Adama, Grealish, Gil and even Bacuna would be supplying crosses. Much as i'll happily slate Sherwood etc for last season, it's hard to blame them for all 5 failing to contribute for various reasons.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Holtemeister on July 29, 2016, 01:30:19 PM: "But imagine this potential horror show ... Gestede, Lambert, Bamford

Slowest forward line since Micky Quinn and Akinfenwa"

Even with the moneyball system at least the weakness would be identified even if our scouting happened to miss out on it ... lets chill and give RDM some slack ...ages to go yet before the window shuts.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 29, 2016, 01:42:33 PM: I'm more than happy to give Gestede, Ayew and Grealish the chance to be our main attacking threat in the championship with Hepburn Murphy and Kozak ad the back up. We just need more behind them. The 3 new guys and Amavi will obviously get a chance also but then any other positions are open for improvement.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 29, 2016, 01:50:08 PM: Quote from: Holtemeister on July 29, 2016, 01:30:19 PM
"But imagine this potential horror show ... Gestede, Lambert, Bamford

Slowest forward line since Micky Quinn and Akinfenwa"

Even with the moneyball system at least the weakness would be identified even if our scouting happened to miss out on it ... lets chill and give RDM some slack ...ages to go yet before the window shuts.

What Moneyball system is that?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: AVH87 on July 29, 2016, 01:52:03 PM: It worries me that so many people expect Gestede to come good next season based on one prolific season previously. Blackburn played to his strengths but were still rubbish, we really shouldn't be basing our gameplan around him if we want to be successful.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 29, 2016, 03:40:35 PM: I'm reasonably sure we won't as both RDM and the good Doctor have both said we will be getting a new striker. as long as it's not Ricky Lambert then great.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 29, 2016, 03:52:25 PM: Quote from: mr underhill on July 29, 2016, 03:40:35 PM
I'm reasonably sure we won't as both RDM and the good Doctor have both said we will be getting a new striker. as long as it's not Ricky Lambert then great.

lets hope Ade Akinbiyi has retired , if we are really looking at Lambert

we cant be.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on July 29, 2016, 04:04:14 PM: What is Xia on about with his latest tweet.Can someone please explain?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on July 29, 2016, 04:12:14 PM: Quote from: Ron Manager on July 29, 2016, 04:04:14 PM
What is Xia on about with his latest tweet.Can someone please explain?

You mean this one?

Quote
Once someone has clause in contract, looks like being giving a chance to betray. Said staying one day and escaped the other day. D now G!

I'm assuming Gana had said he'd stay but then left, but who "D" is I can't think.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 29, 2016, 04:12:51 PM: I'll take a wild guess it's Delph.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on July 29, 2016, 04:15:00 PM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on July 29, 2016, 04:12:51 PM
I'll take a wild guess it's Delph.

Yes probably was.I wasn't thinking straight.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on July 29, 2016, 04:17:11 PM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on July 29, 2016, 01:50:08 PM
Quote from: Holtemeister on July 29, 2016, 01:30:19 PM
"But imagine this potential horror show ... Gestede, Lambert, Bamford

Slowest forward line since Micky Quinn and Akinfenwa"

Even with the moneyball system at least the weakness would be identified even if our scouting happened to miss out on it ... lets chill and give RDM some slack ...ages to go yet before the window shuts.

What Moneyball system is that?

Villa are signing Kevin Youkilis

Altogether now.......... Yoooooooooooooooouuuuuuuuukkkkkkkkkkk
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 29, 2016, 04:35:14 PM: Who?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on July 29, 2016, 04:41:06 PM: Quote from: Ron Manager on July 29, 2016, 04:15:00 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on July 29, 2016, 04:12:51 PM
I'll take a wild guess it's Delph.

Yes probably was.I wasn't thinking straight.

To be honest, I'm not too bothered about Gana going. I do think we need a replacement though and I would hope to see an Elphick type signing brought in to provide a bit of stability in midfield. If we had that type of player then we could partner them with either Tshibola, Sanchez, Gardner or even Veretout. A Villa fan I work with pulled a face when I mentioned him earlier, but I honestly think Charlie Adam would be an ideal signing for us.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 29, 2016, 04:42:36 PM: Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 29, 2016, 04:35:14 PM
Who?

The Greek God of walks.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: paul_e on July 29, 2016, 04:59:19 PM: Quote from: tomd2103 on July 29, 2016, 04:41:06 PM
Quote from: Ron Manager on July 29, 2016, 04:15:00 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on July 29, 2016, 04:12:51 PM
I'll take a wild guess it's Delph.

Yes probably was.I wasn't thinking straight.

To be honest, I'm not too bothered about Gana going. I do think we need a replacement though and I would hope to see an Elphick type signing brought in to provide a bit of stability in midfield. If we had that type of player then we could partner them with either Tshibola, Sanchez, Gardner or even Veretout. A Villa fan I work with pulled a face when I mentioned him earlier, but I honestly think Charlie Adam would be an ideal signing for us.

Adam is completely the wrong type of signing for us, our biggest issue in midfield is that we've lacked physicality, Adam does put himself about in terms of kicking people but his work rate is so poor that it doesn't matter, games bypass him all too often. Tish is the right sort of player, big, strong, quick but with technical ability as well. I'd like another player in that mould.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 29, 2016, 05:07:46 PM: Quote from: Woofles The Wonder Dog on July 29, 2016, 04:12:14 PM
Quote from: Ron Manager on July 29, 2016, 04:04:14 PM
What is Xia on about with his latest tweet.Can someone please explain?

You mean this one?

Quote
Once someone has clause in contract, looks like being giving a chance to betray. Said staying one day and escaped the other day. D now G!

I'm assuming Gana had said he'd stay but then left, but who "D" is I can't think.

Well let's hope there are no clauses in Ayew's or Amavi's contracts.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: markeeeebeeee2005 on July 29, 2016, 05:09:15 PM: Quote from: UK Redsox on July 29, 2016, 04:17:11 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on July 29, 2016, 01:50:08 PM
Quote from: Holtemeister on July 29, 2016, 01:30:19 PM
"But imagine this potential horror show ... Gestede, Lambert, Bamford

Slowest forward line since Micky Quinn and Akinfenwa"

Even with the moneyball system at least the weakness would be identified even if our scouting happened to miss out on it ... lets chill and give RDM some slack ...ages to go yet before the window shuts.

What Moneyball system is that?

Villa are signing Kevin Youkilis

Altogether now.......... Yoooooooooooooooouuuuuuuuukkkkkkkkkkk

The Youk the Youk the Youk is on fire......

No idea who he is.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 29, 2016, 05:16:09 PM: Quote from: UK Redsox on July 29, 2016, 04:17:11 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on July 29, 2016, 01:50:08 PM
Quote from: Holtemeister on July 29, 2016, 01:30:19 PM
"But imagine this potential horror show ... Gestede, Lambert, Bamford

Slowest forward line since Micky Quinn and Akinfenwa"

Even with the moneyball system at least the weakness would be identified even if our scouting happened to miss out on it ... lets chill and give RDM some slack ...ages to go yet before the window shuts.

What Moneyball system is that?

Villa are signing Kevin Youkilis

Altogether now.......... Yoooooooooooooooouuuuuuuuukkkkkkkkkkk

we are playing baseball now ?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 29, 2016, 05:24:28 PM: we might be better at that
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on July 29, 2016, 06:06:55 PM: Quote from: paul_e on July 29, 2016, 04:59:19 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on July 29, 2016, 04:41:06 PM
Quote from: Ron Manager on July 29, 2016, 04:15:00 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on July 29, 2016, 04:12:51 PM
I'll take a wild guess it's Delph.

Yes probably was.I wasn't thinking straight.

To be honest, I'm not too bothered about Gana going. I do think we need a replacement though and I would hope to see an Elphick type signing brought in to provide a bit of stability in midfield. If we had that type of player then we could partner them with either Tshibola, Sanchez, Gardner or even Veretout. A Villa fan I work with pulled a face when I mentioned him earlier, but I honestly think Charlie Adam would be an ideal signing for us.

Adam is completely the wrong type of signing for us, our biggest issue in midfield is that we've lacked physicality, Adam does put himself about in terms of kicking people but his work rate is so poor that it doesn't matter, games bypass him all too often. Tish is the right sort of player, big, strong, quick but with technical ability as well. I'd like another player in that mould.

Depends what type of formation we are going to play I suppose Paul. If it's a three in midfield with one sitting, then I agree that Adam would not be the type of player to fit that system. If, however, we are going to play with two midfielders shielding the back four then I do think he would fit, especially with a more mobile player next to him. I agree we have missed physicality in midfield, but we've also missed a calming influence who can get on the ball and keep it. Adam would offer us that and he can take good set pieces, which is something we have desperately been missing for some time. I accept Adam is just one name, but he's the type of player I would like to see.

One thing to note about the championship is that the athleticism of a lot of the players is down a level of many of their counterparts in the top flight.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: b23 on July 29, 2016, 06:46:33 PM: Quote from: Chinchilla Bathhouse on July 25, 2016, 11:02:40 PM
Oh yeah, I'm delighted someone's daft enough to pay for him and I'm desperate to get rid, it's just so bloody unfair. In an ideal world he'd be fucked off to somewhere like Stranraer or Raith. And driven there in a boiling hot Smart car by Gloria Hunniford, with Celine Dion on the car stereo. Without stopping at the services. The arrogant bastard.

Raithist
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 29, 2016, 06:52:45 PM: Quote from: mr underhill on July 29, 2016, 05:24:28 PM
we might be better at that

We are Britain's only ever professional league champions in baseball.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villafirst on July 29, 2016, 07:19:34 PM: No chance that Barry is part of the Gana deal? Probably not as that takes a bit of imagination. Barry would be a good shout to guide the younger players.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 29, 2016, 07:21:43 PM: Quote from: b23 on July 29, 2016, 06:46:33 PM
Quote from: Chinchilla Bathhouse on July 25, 2016, 11:02:40 PM
Oh yeah, I'm delighted someone's daft enough to pay for him and I'm desperate to get rid, it's just so bloody unfair. In an ideal world he'd be fucked off to somewhere like Stranraer or Raith. And driven there in a boiling hot Smart car by Gloria Hunniford, with Celine Dion on the car stereo. Without stopping at the services. The arrogant bastard.

Raithist

I started so trawl the thread but it would have taken ages - who was this post about?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: andyh on July 29, 2016, 07:27:37 PM: Quote from: Villafirst on July 29, 2016, 07:19:34 PM
No chance that Barry is part of the Gana deal? Probably not as that takes a bit of imagination. Barry would be a good shout to guide the younger players.
Wouldn't he just?!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: b23 on July 29, 2016, 07:31:40 PM: Mr Chincilla Bathhouse himself.

He clearly does not like Raith Rovers. :(
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on July 29, 2016, 08:12:38 PM: Quote from: Villafirst on July 29, 2016, 07:19:34 PM
No chance that Barry is part of the Gana deal? Probably not as that takes a bit of imagination. Barry would be a good shout to guide the younger players.

How would you go about negotiating that then?

"We offer the amount stipulated in Gana's contract to allow us to negotiate terms with him for his transfer"

"Any chance that you fancy giving us your player of the season as well / instead?"

"Thanks, but we'll just stick to paying you the relative pittance that his contract says that we have to"
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villafirst on July 29, 2016, 08:17:44 PM: Quote from: Dave on July 29, 2016, 08:12:38 PM
Quote from: Villafirst on July 29, 2016, 07:19:34 PM
No chance that Barry is part of the Gana deal? Probably not as that takes a bit of imagination. Barry would be a good shout to guide the younger players.

How would you go about negotiating that then?

"We offer the amount stipulated in Gana's contract to allow us to negotiate terms with him for his transfer"

"Any chance that you fancy giving us your player of the season as well / instead?"

"Thanks, but we'll just stick to paying you the relative pittance that his contract says that we have to"

Yes, the relative 'pittance' expected says it all. Our stock is so low that we can't even envisage recruiting an ex-hero at 35.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on July 29, 2016, 08:21:07 PM: Quote from: Villafirst on July 29, 2016, 08:17:44 PM
Quote from: Dave on July 29, 2016, 08:12:38 PM
Quote from: Villafirst on July 29, 2016, 07:19:34 PM
No chance that Barry is part of the Gana deal? Probably not as that takes a bit of imagination. Barry would be a good shout to guide the younger players.

How would you go about negotiating that then?

"We offer the amount stipulated in Gana's contract to allow us to negotiate terms with him for his transfer"

"Any chance that you fancy giving us your player of the season as well / instead?"

"Thanks, but we'll just stick to paying you the relative pittance that his contract says that we have to"

Yes, the relative 'pittance' expected says it all. Our stock is so low that we can't even envisage recruiting an ex-hero at 35.

Probably.

But what it mainly says is that we can't dictate transfer terms when there are specific release clauses involved.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 29, 2016, 08:22:39 PM: And Barry is earning a lot more than we can afford to pay him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on July 29, 2016, 08:37:38 PM: Quote from: Percy McCarthy on July 29, 2016, 07:21:43 PM
Quote from: b23 on July 29, 2016, 06:46:33 PM
Quote from: Chinchilla Bathhouse on July 25, 2016, 11:02:40 PM
Oh yeah, I'm delighted someone's daft enough to pay for him and I'm desperate to get rid, it's just so bloody unfair. In an ideal world he'd be fucked off to somewhere like Stranraer or Raith. And driven there in a boiling hot Smart car by Gloria Hunniford, with Celine Dion on the car stereo. Without stopping at the services. The arrogant bastard.

Raithist

I started so trawl the thread but it would have taken ages - who was this post about?

Micah Richards, when it looked as if Sunderland had lost their minds and were about to sign him. Liked the raithest gag, b23, made me laugh.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on July 29, 2016, 08:38:37 PM: I would be interested in taking Osman, who would be more realistic than Barry. I think we're lacking a bit of experience in midfield.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 29, 2016, 08:44:21 PM: Everton released Osman. I can't help think there's a reason no one seems to have shown much interest in a free agent.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on July 29, 2016, 08:45:48 PM: Quote from: Villafirst on July 29, 2016, 08:17:44 PM
Quote from: Dave on July 29, 2016, 08:12:38 PM
Quote from: Villafirst on July 29, 2016, 07:19:34 PM
No chance that Barry is part of the Gana deal? Probably not as that takes a bit of imagination. Barry would be a good shout to guide the younger players.

How would you go about negotiating that then?

"We offer the amount stipulated in Gana's contract to allow us to negotiate terms with him for his transfer"

"Any chance that you fancy giving us your player of the season as well / instead?"

"Thanks, but we'll just stick to paying you the relative pittance that his contract says that we have to"

Yes, the relative 'pittance' expected says it all. Our stock is so low that we can't even envisage recruiting an ex-hero at 35.

A 35 year old who is still valued by his club. Would you drop down a division if you didn't have to and was being paid handsomely?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on July 29, 2016, 09:09:12 PM: If we do keep Ayew and Amavi, we will have had a brilliant summer. Sure we will get a few more good players too.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on July 29, 2016, 09:43:52 PM: Crikey. If Tony is spitting feathers over losing Guzan, what would he be like is somebody tried to tap up Jack Grealish?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: adrenachrome on July 29, 2016, 10:21:40 PM: Quote from: brian green on July 29, 2016, 09:43:52 PM
Crikey. If Tony is spitting feathers over losing Guzan, what would he be like is somebody tried to tap up Jack Grealish?

It is Gana he is upset about. Which is fair enough, but what is worrying is that appears he did not know about the release clause.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: OCD on July 29, 2016, 10:30:43 PM: Quote from: adrenachrome on July 29, 2016, 10:21:40 PM
Quote from: brian green on July 29, 2016, 09:43:52 PM
Crikey. If Tony is spitting feathers over losing Guzan, what would he be like is somebody tried to tap up Jack Grealish?

It is Gana he is upset about. Which is fair enough, but what is worrying is that appears he did not know about the release clause.

It sounds like Gana had said he would stay and then turned and done the complete opposite. He's just had his first experience of a footballer's integrity - welcome to the sport Tony.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 29, 2016, 10:53:59 PM: Quote from: b23 on July 29, 2016, 07:31:40 PM
Mr Chincilla Bathhouse himself.

He clearly does not like Raith Rovers. :(

Edit: answered above, thanks CB.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 29, 2016, 10:58:20 PM: According to mirror were signing Pantilimon for £2m. Odd
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Gareth on July 29, 2016, 10:59:15 PM: Quote from: OCD on July 29, 2016, 10:30:43 PM
Quote from: adrenachrome on July 29, 2016, 10:21:40 PM
Quote from: brian green on July 29, 2016, 09:43:52 PM
Crikey. If Tony is spitting feathers over losing Guzan, what would he be like is somebody tried to tap up Jack Grealish?

It is Gana he is upset about. Which is fair enough, but what is worrying is that appears he did not know about the release clause.

It sounds like Gana had said he would stay and then turned and done the complete opposite. He's just had his first experience of a footballer's integrity - welcome to the sport Tony.

And let's not forget that Ayew forced his way out of L'Orient last summer so wouldn't bet against round 2 happening over next 5 weeks
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: eamonn on July 29, 2016, 11:12:46 PM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on July 29, 2016, 08:44:21 PM
Everton released Osman. I can't help think there's a reason no one seems to have shown much interest in a free agent.

Yeah, even Aaron Hughes has been picked up by some Indians this week.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: villan from luton on July 29, 2016, 11:26:41 PM: Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on July 29, 2016, 10:58:20 PM
According to mirror were signing Pantilimon for £2m. Odd

That would be really strange tbh, Bunn and Stead are good enough back up
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: OCD on July 29, 2016, 11:48:22 PM: Presumably someone at the Mirror has seen us sell Guzan, are too dumb to realise we've already signed Gollini and have just made up the story. I think we've got higher priorities for that £2m to go towards.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: villan from luton on July 29, 2016, 11:51:13 PM: Quote from: OCD on July 29, 2016, 11:48:22 PM
Presumably someone at the Mirror has seen us sell Guzan, are too dumb to realise we've already signed Gollini and have just made up the story. I think we've got higher priorities for that £2m to go towards.

He is about 6 foot 7 aint he lol. There again he looks like a midget in goal, he is shocking, think you are right re the link
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on July 30, 2016, 12:07:22 AM: Quote from: villan from luton on July 29, 2016, 11:51:13 PM
Quote from: OCD on July 29, 2016, 11:48:22 PM
Presumably someone at the Mirror has seen us sell Guzan, are too dumb to realise we've already signed Gollini and have just made up the story. I think we've got higher priorities for that £2m to go towards.

He is about 6 foot 7 aint he lol. There again he looks like a midget in goal, he is shocking, think you are right re the link

He was the second choice at Man City when our keeper coach was there. Bunn is nowhere near good enough, so for 2m considering money is not an issue getting the right squad is, it makes sense. Gollini may suffer loss of form, or injury, and I would not want to rely on Bunn and Steer if 3-6 points is the difference between promotion.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on July 30, 2016, 05:03:08 AM: He's apparently on 50k a week
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: robbo1874 on July 30, 2016, 05:53:33 AM: Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on July 29, 2016, 12:59:55 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on July 29, 2016, 12:39:52 PM
Are we being linked with anyone?

It's very quiet on the 'in' front which is what Dr Tony predicted for this week however it'd be nice be linked to some new players as the deals usually take a few weeks to sort themselves out.

Yes, the carthorse that is Ricky Lambert and Patrick Bamford. If those pair come in and Ayew goes god help us. If Ayew stays and Bamford comes in as well that wouldn't be the worst thing in the world though I guess

But imagine this potential horror show ... Gestede, Lambert, Bamford

Slowest forward line since Micky Quinn and Akinfenwa

bamford has also been linked with Celtic I believe.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: robbo1874 on July 30, 2016, 05:59:45 AM: Quote from: tomd2103 on July 29, 2016, 04:41:06 PM
Quote from: Ron Manager on July 29, 2016, 04:15:00 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on July 29, 2016, 04:12:51 PM
I'll take a wild guess it's Delph.

Yes probably was.I wasn't thinking straight.

To be honest, I'm not too bothered about Gana going. I do think we need a replacement though and I would hope to see an Elphick type signing brought in to provide a bit of stability in midfield. If we had that type of player then we could partner them with either Tshibola, Sanchez, Gardner or even Veretout. A Villa fan I work with pulled a face when I mentioned him earlier, but I honestly think Charlie Adam would be an ideal signing for us.
i think Sanchez would do quite well in a championship side and would be inclined to include him in the starting lineup.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on July 30, 2016, 06:57:21 AM: Quote from: villan from luton on July 29, 2016, 11:26:41 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on July 29, 2016, 10:58:20 PM
According to mirror were signing Pantilimon for £2m. Odd

That would be really strange tbh, Bunn and Stead are good enough back up

bunn isnt the bloke is fucking shit
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 30, 2016, 06:59:39 AM: Apart from not being able to pass water.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Stirchley Villain on July 30, 2016, 07:27:15 AM: Quote from: villan from luton on July 29, 2016, 11:26:41 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on July 29, 2016, 10:58:20 PM
According to mirror were signing Pantilimon for £2m. Odd

That would be really strange tbh, Bunn and Stead are good enough back up

I haven't much confidence in either of them. Pants as no 1 and Gollini as developing no 2?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on July 30, 2016, 07:38:44 AM: Sorry Robbo but Sanchez in the time he was on was very error prone against Cambridge. I have tried hard to like him but I brick it every time he gets the ball these days. His brain speed has not quickened to the pace of the English game. Gardner and Tish look much more solid.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ldavfc4eva on July 30, 2016, 07:42:15 AM: Can't see another keeper coming in until either Bunn or Steer go, and if it's for Panilimon I can't see the point. If we were going back up then yes I can see the point, bit like Boro and them signing Guzan and Valdes. I think we are fine for GK's at the minute.

We need to prioritise other areas, centre midfield for me especially if Gana is leaving.

Might be over the hill but has Flamini gone anywhere? Released by Arsenal and a very decent player still with bags of experience, him and Tish as deep lying central midfielders with Westwood and Sanchez and Gardner as back up?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: curiousorange on July 30, 2016, 10:20:02 AM: I wouldn't say no to Flamini in theory, but I'm reluctant to sign those old released players ever since I saw Pires huffing and puffing in the Villa midfield.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on July 30, 2016, 10:34:41 AM: Quote from: curiousorange on July 30, 2016, 10:20:02 AM
I wouldn't say no to Flamini in theory, but I'm reluctant to sign those old released players ever since I saw Pires huffing and puffing in the Villa midfield.

this

hopefully the days of us being a retirement home for past it footballers are over
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 30, 2016, 10:42:25 AM: amen to that.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: eamonn on July 30, 2016, 10:46:43 AM: Pires must have been a good five years older though.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on July 30, 2016, 10:53:26 AM: flamini is 32
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 30, 2016, 10:56:27 AM: Quote from: ozzjim on July 30, 2016, 12:07:22 AM
Quote from: villan from luton on July 29, 2016, 11:51:13 PM
Quote from: OCD on July 29, 2016, 11:48:22 PM
Presumably someone at the Mirror has seen us sell Guzan, are too dumb to realise we've already signed Gollini and have just made up the story. I think we've got higher priorities for that £2m to go towards.

He is about 6 foot 7 aint he lol. There again he looks like a midget in goal, he is shocking, think you are right re the link

He was the second choice at Man City when our keeper coach was there. Bunn is nowhere near good enough, so for 2m considering money is not an issue getting the right squad is, it makes sense. Gollini may suffer loss of form, or injury, and I would not want to rely on Bunn and Steer if 3-6 points is the difference between promotion.

Bunn may not be great but let's remember he did actually keep 4 clean sheets at prem level in 10 or so games behind our car crash back 4.

With the coaching staff we have now I'd expect our defensive unit to be much better this season whoever is playing there. As we saw with Leicester you don't always need world class defenders to create a world class unit if the coaching is right.

I just assumed Steer was going to be number 2 but maybe after playing a full season at Huddersfield he dosen't want to be back up anymore which is fair enough.

A new keeper should be low on the list of priorities though.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: eamonn on July 30, 2016, 11:01:41 AM: Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on July 30, 2016, 10:53:26 AM
flamini is 32

And Pires was 37 so sling yer 'ook. You'll take Flamini and you'll be bloody grateful.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on July 30, 2016, 11:04:17 AM: Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on July 30, 2016, 10:53:26 AM
flamini is 32

Would be a decent signing for a couple of years, but would think he would have other offers. Said it earlier in the thread, but we need a steadying influence in the middle of the park.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 30, 2016, 11:11:50 AM: Our midfield is horrible, would take Flamini as long as he's sufficiently motivated which Pires certainly wasn't although he couldn't run at the time he came here.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on July 30, 2016, 11:14:05 AM: The one problem with Flamini is that he's a tad injury prone. He always seems t be picking up knocks.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ldavfc4eva on July 30, 2016, 01:00:44 PM: I just thought we needed a Peterov figure and we're hoping for the man himself, so Flamini could be that old head and some one to inspire the younger players.

I agree with the retirement home comment though, we have signed big name players far too many times who have been past it. Schmeichel,Joe Cole, Pires, I could go on but the last thing we need is an over the hill prima dona on big wages.

We don't seem t have been linked to anyone recently have we? Which is a little concerning even if half of the stuff the press print is rubbish,

What happened to Alan judge at Brentford? Is he injured? Sounded like the sort of player we need to sign earlier in the summer
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on July 30, 2016, 01:01:10 PM: I'd take Flamini in a heartbeat. I think we'll probably get Bridcutt instead though. We were linked with Meiereles for a while too.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 30, 2016, 01:03:49 PM: Quote from: eamonn on July 30, 2016, 10:46:43 AM
Pires must have been a good five years older though.

And signed when we desperately needed someone short-term.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: dave shelley on July 30, 2016, 01:24:50 PM: Quote from: ldavfc4eva on July 30, 2016, 01:00:44 PM
I just thought we needed a Peterov figure and we're hoping for the man himself, so Flamini could be that old head and some one to inspire the younger players.

I agree with the retirement home comment though, we have signed big name players far too many times who have been past it. Schmeichel,Joe Cole, Pires, I could go on but the last thing we need is an over the hill prima dona on big wages.

We don't seem t have been linked to anyone recently have we? Which is a little concerning even if half of the stuff the press print is rubbish,

What happened to Alan judge at Brentford? Is he injured? Sounded like the sort of player we need to sign earlier in the summer

Alan Judge is out with a broken leg.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: in exile on July 30, 2016, 01:56:15 PM: Quote from: dave shelley on July 30, 2016, 01:24:50 PM
Quote from: ldavfc4eva on July 30, 2016, 01:00:44 PM
I just thought we needed a Peterov figure and we're hoping for the man himself, so Flamini could be that old head and some one to inspire the younger players.

I agree with the retirement home comment though, we have signed big name players far too many times who have been past it. Schmeichel,Joe Cole, Pires, I could go on but the last thing we need is an over the hill prima dona on big wages.

We don't seem t have been linked to anyone recently have we? Which is a little concerning even if half of the stuff the press print is rubbish,

What happened to Alan judge at Brentford? Is he injured? Sounded like the sort of player we need to sign earlier in the summer

Alan Judge is out with a broken leg.

...and still more mobile than a couple I could mention
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 30, 2016, 02:05:30 PM: the geezer from The Sun still thinks we are in for Kodjia for £10m. Bristol holding out for £13m
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on July 30, 2016, 02:14:17 PM: Quote from: mr underhill on July 30, 2016, 02:05:30 PM
the geezer from The Sun still thinks we are in for Kodjia for £10m. Bristol holding out for £13m

Surely Xia can afford 13mil. After all he stated that he was going to provide the new manager with funds of between 20-50 mil when he bought the club.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 30, 2016, 02:18:01 PM: Quote from: Ron Manager on July 30, 2016, 02:14:17 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on July 30, 2016, 02:05:30 PM
the geezer from The Sun still thinks we are in for Kodjia for £10m. Bristol holding out for £13m

Surely Xia can afford 13mil. After all he stated that he was going to provide the new manager with funds of between 20-50 mil when he bought the club.

It's not just about that, though.

THe amount of money we have to spend will be finite, there won't be a never ending bucket of it. There will have to be a limit as to how much we will pay for a player.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 30, 2016, 02:21:53 PM: £13m for Kodjia would be crazy after one season in the division. Having said that, if he goes anywhere ,I can see the fee easily being £8m plus
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 30, 2016, 02:27:36 PM: I'm glad we are not just panicking and rushing into deals. RDM seems to know what he wants and Xia is backing his judgement. This isn't Lerner and Sherwood. It seems better thought out and we should be patient as he evaluates his needs and plans for the season properly. This is a long campaign and much will change over the next few months. It's very much for about having a stable base, gathering momentum and finishing strong.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 30, 2016, 04:28:38 PM: Well, I'd be gladder if the squad looked more capable than it currently does.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 30, 2016, 04:38:24 PM: we need a striker as an absolute prerequisite. Dobbin is not up to the job.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 30, 2016, 04:41:12 PM: Up front is a complete disaster.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 30, 2016, 05:14:16 PM: I'm starting to suspect most of our new signings will be players on loan.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villafirst on July 30, 2016, 05:15:22 PM: Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on July 30, 2016, 05:14:16 PM
I'm starting to suspect most of our new signings will be players on loan.

Agree, I don't think any decent funds are available.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oldtimernow on July 30, 2016, 05:16:26 PM: Quote from: mr underhill on July 30, 2016, 04:38:24 PM
we need a striker as an absolute prerequisite. Dobbin is not up to the job.

That's unfair on Dobbin the horse who may have once broken into a gallop, Lumpoflead never seems to break sweat
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 30, 2016, 05:45:21 PM: Clearly the defence had a meltdown today, but that's as much down the the midfield cover as anything. The
biggest concern is the lack of a suitable forward line.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 30, 2016, 05:46:44 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 30, 2016, 02:18:01 PM
Quote from: Ron Manager on July 30, 2016, 02:14:17 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on July 30, 2016, 02:05:30 PM
the geezer from The Sun still thinks we are in for Kodjia for £10m. Bristol holding out for £13m

Surely Xia can afford 13mil. After all he stated that he was going to provide the new manager with funds of between 20-50 mil when he bought the club.

It's not just about that, though.

THe amount of money we have to spend will be finite, there won't be a never ending bucket of it. There will have to be a limit as to how much we will pay for a player.

Sell some more players than and balance the books that way like any sensible club would.

Have to say I'm amazed we seem to be rejecting 4-5m bids for likes of Clark, Westwood and Sinclair.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: curiousorange on July 30, 2016, 05:47:57 PM: From what I saw today, we need somebody who holds the ball up as well as being an instinctive finisher. I wouldn't trust anyone we have to score more than a handful this season. I don't know what Ayew is being told to do, but he plays so far from the area we need him in that Di Matteo can't be relying on him to lead the line.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on July 30, 2016, 05:48:29 PM: Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 30, 2016, 02:27:36 PM
I'm glad we are not just panicking and rushing into deals. RDM seems to know what he wants and Xia is backing his judgement. This isn't Lerner and Sherwood. It seems better thought out and we should be patient as he evaluates his needs and plans for the season properly. This is a long campaign and much will change over the next few months. It's very much for about having a stable base, gathering momentum and finishing strong.

Not sure mate. The January window of shame (I boo you Hollis & Lerner) was the leadership of the club thinking they were being prudent. In fact they were just being cheap and doomed us to relegataion and now this set of players in the Championship.

Tony is about to make the same mistake. We do not have a stable base. We have a poor squad particularly midfield and up front.

Radical change & panic is needed not stability. IMHO.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Fin Feds Dad on July 30, 2016, 05:53:44 PM: Unless we have a monumental month of transfer activity in August - then we are in trouble.

People on here have been saying we will and I quote -
'Piss this league' .

I can't see anything like it .
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 30, 2016, 05:54:58 PM: I'm clinging to the hope that RDM knows who he wants and is working overtime to get them in. But I also believe the world is flat.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt C on July 30, 2016, 09:11:25 PM: Still plenty of time but so many unanswered questions. Is Gana going? Lescott? Richards? Gabby? Is Traore a figment of my imagination? Presumably we're not going to retain three senior left backs? Is Kozak finished?

Starting to look like we're in transfer limbo a little until a few more of the current lot are moved on.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on July 30, 2016, 09:15:25 PM: The fullbacks are atrocious and offer no real width. Midfield lacks a voice, pace and creativity. Upfront lacks pretty much everything.

Centre mid, attacking mid, right back, centre forward. Really needed. As for Hutton, he's still shit.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 30, 2016, 09:18:39 PM: Quote from: aj2k77 on July 30, 2016, 09:15:25 PM
The fullbacks are atrocious and offer no real width. Midfield lacks a voice, pace and creativity. Upfront lacks pretty much everything.

Centre mid, attacking mid, right back, centre forward. Really needed. As for Hutton, he's still shit.

I'm with you on that. I think Cissokho is just horrible, and as much Hutton works hard he offers nothing going forward. He slows things down as opposed to providing any kind of attacking threat. He needs to be far more decisive if he is to be used in that capacity and he just isn't fluid enough to maintain or enhance the momentum of our attacks.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt C on July 30, 2016, 09:21:30 PM: I was surprised (or disappointed if that was a glimpse of next week's starting XI) that Cissoko is ahead of Bennett in the pecking order.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on July 30, 2016, 09:25:21 PM: Quote from: Matt C on July 30, 2016, 09:21:30 PM
I was surprised (or disappointed if that was a glimpse of next week's starting XI) that Cissoko is ahead of Bennett in the pecking order.

if Rudy plays then Bennett and/or Amavi have to play down the left. I'd even be tempted to give Joe a game at right-back against Luton to seee if he could play that side.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on July 30, 2016, 09:27:18 PM: Quote from: aj2k77 on July 30, 2016, 09:15:25 PM
The fullbacks are atrocious and offer no real width.

Amavi is atrocious and offers no real width?

Hmm.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Rigadon on July 30, 2016, 09:41:58 PM: Quote from: Dave on July 30, 2016, 09:27:18 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on July 30, 2016, 09:15:25 PM
The fullbacks are atrocious and offer no real width.

Amavi is atrocious and offers no real width?

Hmm.

I'm not sure I've seen evidence otherwise.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 30, 2016, 09:44:20 PM: Quote from: Dave on July 30, 2016, 09:27:18 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on July 30, 2016, 09:15:25 PM
The fullbacks are atrocious and offer no real width.

Amavi is atrocious and offers no real width?

Hmm.

I'm hoping he meant today as opposed to including Amavi who is a very good attacking full back and an outstanding crosser of the ball.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: OCD on July 30, 2016, 09:44:31 PM: Amavi showed quality and that he has a good cross on him. He could provide a lot of goals for Gestede. There is the point though that he's just getting back from a bad injury so it's going to be a while before he's fully considered for selection.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Gareth on July 30, 2016, 09:49:25 PM: Surprised with RDM having managed Schalke that we haven't been linked with any Bundesliga players
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 30, 2016, 09:50:34 PM: Quote from: tomd2103 on July 30, 2016, 11:04:17 AM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on July 30, 2016, 10:53:26 AM
flamini is 32

Would be a decent signing for a couple of years, but would think he would have other offers. Said it earlier in the thread, but we need a steadying influence in the middle of the park.

Flamini is an excellent signing in principle. My reservations are that his game was largely based on his stamina rather than any particular skills, he basically ran and ran and ran. Secondly his attention might be slightly diverted towards the discovery/development of that new green energy he's funded.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestion
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on July 30, 2016, 09:55:00 PM: Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 30, 2016, 09:44:20 PM
Quote from: Dave on July 30, 2016, 09:27:18 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on July 30, 2016, 09:15:25 PM
The fullbacks are atrocious and offer no real width.

Amavi is atrocious and offers no real width?

Hmm.

I'm hoping he meant today as opposed to including Amavi who is a very good attacking full back and an outstanding crosser of the ball.

great crosser but a shit defender with no bottle

left sided midielder all day long

relying on your full backs for width is high risk and lets be honest kyle walker is great going forward but dodgy defensively and he's englands first choice
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 30, 2016, 09:57:30 PM: Quote from: mr underhill on July 30, 2016, 02:05:30 PM
the geezer from The Sun still thinks we are in for Kodjia for £10m. Bristol holding out for £13m

That conundrum equals "give them Gabby and £5m" to me, probably with us paying a chunk of Gabby's remaining salary.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 30, 2016, 09:57:51 PM: Interesting observation by The Doc on Twitter just now when asked if we were having trouble attracting players

Quote
The difficult part being in 2Di is that we have to wait in the transfer market chain if you want get 1Di players.

To me it suggests that we are after a certain calibre of player rather than just buying for the sake of it. That we have an eye on the now, but also a required eye on the future. Promotion is the key so we need to buy such that if everything goes to plan the players we acquire will continue to develop at a higher level. It's a fine balancing act getting that right given the current situation and the need to get off to a positive and encouraging start.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on July 30, 2016, 10:00:06 PM: You learn more from your defeats than you do from your victories. I am sure RDM knows what and who he wants. I hope he sees, now we've played a tougher and more competitive game, that the likes of Westwood, Bacuna, Cissokho, Bennett etc, cannot be relied upon if promotion is the real aim. Four weeks to go, make them count.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on July 30, 2016, 10:01:53 PM: Quote from: Newby on July 30, 2016, 10:00:06 PM
You learn more from your defeats than you do from your victories. I am sure RDM knows what and who he wants. I hope he sees, now we've played a tougher and more competitive game, that the likes of Westwood, Bacuna, Cissokho, Bennett etc, cannot be relied upon if promotion is the real aim. Four weeks to go, make them count.

wise words
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on July 30, 2016, 10:04:27 PM: Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 30, 2016, 09:57:51 PM
Interesting observation by The Doc on Twitter just now when asked if we were having trouble attracting players

Quote
The difficult part being in 2Di is that we have to wait in the transfer market chain if you want get 1Di players.

To me it suggests that we are after a certain calibre of player rather than just buying for the sake of it. That we have an eye on the now, but also a required eye on the future. Promotion is the key so we need to buy such that if everything goes to plan the players we acquire will continue to develop at a higher level. It's a fine balancing act getting that right given the current situation and the need to get off to a positive and encouraging start.

Might also suggest that we are NOT after the likes of Kodjia, Bridcutt?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on July 30, 2016, 10:05:30 PM: Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on July 30, 2016, 09:55:00 PM
great crosser but a shit defender with no bottle

Is he bollocks.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tuscans on July 30, 2016, 10:11:37 PM: I did hear a guy on fb during the game say we're completing the Kodjia deal for £11 million with in the next 72 hours. I thought bollocks but maybe he's ITK.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on July 30, 2016, 10:12:17 PM: Quote from: Dave on July 30, 2016, 10:05:30 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on July 30, 2016, 09:55:00 PM
great crosser but a shit defender with no bottle

Is he bollocks.

do you remember the goal we conceded at home to the bitters? can you remember the name of the left back who bottled a 50/50 challenge that led to their goal?

i could count another 3 or 4 times in other games when he bottled it and didnt want to put his foot in

great going forward, suspect defensively
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tuscans on July 30, 2016, 10:15:51 PM: I'm all up for getting a decent forward in but we don't really create a lot no matter who comes in. Football is so bloody easy and I'm miffed to why this lot struggle to do the the absolute basics.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on July 30, 2016, 10:16:57 PM: Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on July 30, 2016, 10:12:17 PM
Quote from: Dave on July 30, 2016, 10:05:30 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on July 30, 2016, 09:55:00 PM
great crosser but a shit defender with no bottle

Is he bollocks.

do you remember the goal we conceded at home to the bitters? can you remember the name of the left back who bottled a 50/50 challenge that led to their goal?

Do you remember the name of the left-back who had made more tackles than any other player in the league just before the time of his injury?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dazvillain on July 30, 2016, 10:27:41 PM: After the dust has settled on the takeover and board changes and hype of everything surrounding it plus owners tweets, we play a similar inept team to last year, poor standard, dodgy defending and complete lack of goals upfront...... Currently more worried than at the end of last season !😡
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: four fornicholl on July 30, 2016, 10:34:20 PM: Kenny Swain, hero!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 30, 2016, 10:43:33 PM: Quote from: Dazvillain on July 30, 2016, 10:27:41 PM
After the dust has settled on the takeover and board changes and hype of everything surrounding it plus owners tweets, we play a similar inept team to last year, poor standard, dodgy defending and complete lack of goals upfront...... Currently more worried than at the end of last season !😡

"More worried"? I think the current set - and some might leave - are more than good enough to challenge for a play off spot. I think our biggest risk is that the club/fans have forgotten to have fun to the extent that everything is always shit. There's no upward trajectory about pretty much anything.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on July 30, 2016, 10:52:31 PM: Quote from: Newby on July 30, 2016, 10:00:06 PM
You learn more from your defeats than you do from your victories. I am sure RDM knows what and who he wants. I hope he sees, now we've played a tougher and more competitive game, that the likes of Westwood, Bacuna, Cissokho, Bennett etc, cannot be relied upon if promotion is the real aim. Four weeks to go, make them count.

Well we've learnt that we are a fucking awful team.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on July 30, 2016, 10:55:31 PM: Quote from: Tuscans on July 30, 2016, 10:15:51 PM
I'm all up for getting a decent forward in but we don't really create a lot no matter who comes in. Football is so bloody easy and I'm miffed to why this lot struggle to do the the absolute basics.

True. But a forward running in behind is going to offer a pass to grealish or ayew that gestede never will. He'll also stretch the defence to create more space.

There's loads of problems in that team but as soon as we lost benteke that position has been the biggest one by a mile for me
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: wozwebs on July 30, 2016, 10:58:36 PM: Looks like we're after performance analysts. Hope they watch a video of today and bomb out the usual suspects. https://www.avfc.co.uk/club/careers
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tuscans on July 30, 2016, 11:38:15 PM: Quote from: Matt Collins on July 30, 2016, 10:55:31 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on July 30, 2016, 10:15:51 PM
I'm all up for getting a decent forward in but we don't really create a lot no matter who comes in. Football is so bloody easy and I'm miffed to why this lot struggle to do the the absolute basics.

True. But a forward running in behind is going to offer a pass to grealish or ayew that gestede never will. He'll also stretch the defence to create more space.

There's loads of problems in that team but as soon as we lost benteke that position has been the biggest one by a mile for me
Yeah point.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on July 31, 2016, 12:03:29 AM: Biggest problem is still there in attack, we have no pace.

We need a winger, a striker and a creative midfielder before the deadline if we are going to stand any chance of automatic.

If we start scoring from the good spells, the defence won't be under so much pressure.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: dave shelley on July 31, 2016, 01:28:53 AM: Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on July 30, 2016, 10:12:17 PM
Quote from: Dave on July 30, 2016, 10:05:30 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on July 30, 2016, 09:55:00 PM
great crosser but a shit defender with no bottle

Is he bollocks.

do you remember the goal we conceded at home to the bitters? can you remember the name of the left back who bottled a 50/50 challenge that led to their goal?

i could count another 3 or 4 times in other games when he bottled it and didnt want to put his foot in

great going forward, suspect defensively

Did you see the tackle where he sustained his injury? Didn't look like a 'bottler' to me.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on July 31, 2016, 01:38:49 AM: Quote from: Dave on July 30, 2016, 09:27:18 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on July 30, 2016, 09:15:25 PM
The fullbacks are atrocious and offer no real width.

Amavi is atrocious and offers no real width?

Hmm.

Amavi hasn't played for nearly a year. Let's see how he does after a very serious injury. Our regular full backs are attrocious yes and offer no width.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: robbo1874 on July 31, 2016, 03:07:43 AM: Quote from: brian green on July 30, 2016, 07:38:44 AM
Sorry Robbo but Sanchez in the time he was on was very error prone against Cambridge. I have tried hard to like him but I brick it every time he gets the ball these days. His brain speed has not quickened to the pace of the English game. Gardner and Tish look much more solid.
obviously I wasn't at the Cambridge match like you were Brian, but my mind keeps going back to the World Cup game in 2012 where he excelled. I know it was only one game and he had a shocker last season, as did most of our players. However, with a bit more quality around him and passing options to players with more movement, I reckon he could come good in the C'ship.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: robbo1874 on July 31, 2016, 03:13:05 AM: Quote from: in exile on July 30, 2016, 01:56:15 PM
Quote from: dave shelley on July 30, 2016, 01:24:50 PM
Quote from: ldavfc4eva on July 30, 2016, 01:00:44 PM
I just thought we needed a Peterov figure and we're hoping for the man himself, so Flamini could be that old head and some one to inspire the younger players.

I agree with the retirement home comment though, we have signed big name players far too many times who have been past it. Schmeichel,Joe Cole, Pires, I could go on but the last thing we need is an over the hill prima dona on big wages.

We don't seem t have been linked to anyone recently have we? Which is a little concerning even if half of the stuff the press print is rubbish,

What happened to Alan judge at Brentford? Is he injured? Sounded like the sort of player we need to sign earlier in the summer

Alan Judge is out with a broken leg.

...and still more mobile than a couple I could mention
double leg break according to the Graun C'ship season preview
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 31, 2016, 05:29:29 AM: to be honest Long John Silver or his parrot would give us more movement up top that Rudy.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ldavfc4eva on July 31, 2016, 06:51:13 AM: Thanks Dave, he isn't an option then. Hendrick from Derby?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on July 31, 2016, 07:52:10 AM: Are there any legitimate looking links or are we likely to go in with pretty much the same wet, limp, squad that had our worst season in our history expecting an amazing turnaround in the level of performance?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VinnieChase84 on July 31, 2016, 07:56:33 AM: From the chairmans latest Twitter comments It doesn't look like a striker or AM will be in before Wednesday game but will be in the window.
I'd like to see our rumoured interest in Bridcutt firmed up now. The holding two needs more depth and another option that would see Westwood slip down the pecking order can only be a good thing imo.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on July 31, 2016, 08:03:32 AM: Quote from: mr underhill on July 31, 2016, 05:29:29 AM
to be honest Long John Silver or his parrot would give us more movement up top that Rudy.

a concrete post put in a 3 foot hole and then concreted in would be more mobile and able to jump higher
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on July 31, 2016, 08:56:59 AM: Norwich City agreed a deal with Fulham for the signing of Ross McCormack, according to the Daily Mail.

The report says that Norwich have agreed a fee with Fulham that meets their valuation of the forward at £12m.

I wouldn't want him for that price and sure there is better value elsewhere.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on July 31, 2016, 09:02:20 AM: I think we 'll go back after the Bristol city striker after testing waters before with a bid. Probably come in after 1st match
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oldtimernow on July 31, 2016, 09:08:44 AM: Quote from: footyskillz on July 31, 2016, 09:02:20 AM
I think we 'll go back after the Bristol city striker after testing waters before with a bid. Probably come in after 1st match

more likely to be at the end of the window and we'll have to pay considerably more for him too

desperation sucks!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: nick harper on July 31, 2016, 09:14:43 AM: Sunday Times reporting we are after Abel Hernandez from Hull. Cash plus Gestede. Suggests we're trying to take advantage of their chairman trying to sell the club.

Hernandez scored 21 last season.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 31, 2016, 09:15:53 AM: fine but we need 2 so him and Kodjia will do nicely. And asap.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: in exile on July 31, 2016, 09:20:01 AM: Quote from: nick harper on July 31, 2016, 09:14:43 AM
Sunday Times reporting we are after Abel Hernandez from Hull. Cash plus Gestede. Suggests we're trying to take advantage of their chairman trying to sell the club.

Hernandez scored 21 last season.
They can have Agbonlahor, Lescott, Richards & Bacuna as part of the deal too
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Rudy65 on July 31, 2016, 09:34:34 AM: Quote from: nick harper on July 31, 2016, 09:14:43 AM
Sunday Times reporting we are after Abel Hernandez from Hull. Cash plus Gestede. Suggests we're trying to take advantage of their chairman trying to sell the club.

Hernandez scored 21 last season.

Would be good but cant imagine why Hernandez would swop the prem for the championship
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 31, 2016, 09:51:50 AM: Quote from: nick harper on July 31, 2016, 09:14:43 AM
Sunday Times reporting we are after Abel Hernandez from Hull. Cash plus Gestede. Suggests we're trying to take advantage of their chairman trying to sell the club.

Hernandez scored 21 last season.

That'd be a good deal. I remember Hernandez looking good in the play-offs and crucially the deal as outlined does't bloat the squad any further.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on July 31, 2016, 10:12:36 AM: Quote from: Rudy65 on July 31, 2016, 09:34:34 AM
Quote from: nick harper on July 31, 2016, 09:14:43 AM
Sunday Times reporting we are after Abel Hernandez from Hull. Cash plus Gestede. Suggests we're trying to take advantage of their chairman trying to sell the club.

Hernandez scored 21 last season.

Would be good but cant imagine why Hernandez would swop the prem for the championship

I'm reassured if true as it suggests we're after quality. And Newcastle have bought from the premier league. But I'd have thought we've more chance of getting someone who's not first choice! If hull have to sell, I'd suspect premier league clubs might be interested.

Would be happy w this one tho
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on July 31, 2016, 10:29:07 AM: another impediment to this being Hull don't have a manager, so seems unikely
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on July 31, 2016, 10:32:29 AM: Quote from: mr underhill on July 31, 2016, 10:29:07 AM
another impediment to this being Hull don't have a manager, so seems unikely

And they want Gestede? No Manager AND they want Gestede? Got to be rubbish.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 31, 2016, 10:40:55 AM: Quote from: nick harper on July 31, 2016, 09:14:43 AM
Sunday Times reporting we are after Abel Hernandez from Hull. Cash plus Gestede.
Hernandez scored 21 last season.

well he is more abel to score more goals than Gestede i suppose. Rudy looked rubbish yesterday
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: LeeB on July 31, 2016, 10:55:50 AM: Quote from: nick harper on July 31, 2016, 09:14:43 AM
Sunday Times reporting we are after Abel Hernandez from Hull. Cash plus Gestede. Suggests we're trying to take advantage of their chairman trying to sell the club.

Hernandez scored 21 last season.

Now that would be a good move.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on July 31, 2016, 11:33:10 AM: Quote from: JUAN PABLO on July 31, 2016, 10:40:55 AM
Quote from: nick harper on July 31, 2016, 09:14:43 AM
Sunday Times reporting we are after Abel Hernandez from Hull. Cash plus Gestede.
Hernandez scored 21 last season.

well he is more abel to score scores than Gestede i suppose. Rudy looked rubbish yesterday
To be fair Rudy's scored more last season in the Prem than Abel did the season before. I think both players are in that "good in the champ, not great in the Prem" camp. That said, if we trade Gestede for Hernandez we are definitely getting the better deal. I think we're better off having pace up front rather than a lump. Unless we sign a couple of wide men and play the right system.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 31, 2016, 11:37:33 AM: Quote from: supertom on July 31, 2016, 11:33:10 AM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on July 31, 2016, 10:40:55 AM
Quote from: nick harper on July 31, 2016, 09:14:43 AM
Sunday Times reporting we are after Abel Hernandez from Hull. Cash plus Gestede.
Hernandez scored 21 last season.

well he is more abel to score scores than Gestede i suppose. Rudy looked rubbish yesterday
To be fair Rudy's scored more last season in the Prem than Abel did the season before. I think both players are in that "good in the champ, not great in the Prem" camp. That said, if we trade Gestede for Hernandez we are definitely getting the better deal. I think we're better off having pace up front rather than a lump. Unless we sign a couple of wide men and play the right system.

lets hope ST

think we need the bristol lad too , and a midfielder like 28/29 year old fit Flamini type and we still crave that creativity unless JG and AdamaT can provide it.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Taylor on July 31, 2016, 11:38:13 AM: Whenever I see the phrase "cash plus (insert player name)" I know it's complete bollocks.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 31, 2016, 11:41:01 AM: Cash plus player for a deal with a club without a manager?

Surely no club would be that stupid...
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: old man villa fan on July 31, 2016, 12:02:03 PM: Quote from: cdbullyweefan on July 31, 2016, 11:41:01 AM
Cash plus player for a deal with a club without a manager?

Surely no club would be that stupid...

Yes, we were!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 31, 2016, 12:08:58 PM: Quote from: old man villa fan on July 31, 2016, 12:02:03 PM
Quote from: cdbullyweefan on July 31, 2016, 11:41:01 AM
Cash plus player for a deal with a club without a manager?

Surely no club would be that stupid...

Yes, we were!

Wooooosh!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on July 31, 2016, 12:57:15 PM: We need 2 players with genuine pace into the forward line. Hernandez would be good. Still think Nakhi Wells would be a good signing. More than anything though we need a wide player with pace.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on July 31, 2016, 01:01:55 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on July 31, 2016, 12:57:15 PM
We need 2 players with genuine pace into the forward line. Hernandez would be good. Still think Nakhi Wells would be a good signing. More than anything though we need a wide player with pace.

Plus at least one RB that can get up the pitch and deliver a cross
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: wolfman999 on July 31, 2016, 01:18:56 PM: So Gabby is apparently to get yet another chance. If ever there was an indication there is fuck all money available this must surely be it. I truly hope I'm wrong but I fear Dr T is full of crap.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 31, 2016, 01:24:55 PM: While it seems easy just to cancel contracts there needs to be a degree of rationality tied to any player decision this new team makes. I think has Gabby came back to training looking the embarrassment the club put up with last season he'd have been out on his ear. However he came back looking as lean as we have seen him in years, so while the anger at him from fans exists, the manager would have spoken to him and gauged him by his attitude to getting back in shape. It's a shame in that regard he got injured and couldn't continue to become match fit. Naturally there is a financial component too and writing off contracts while it might sound easy when it's not your money is very expensive to do and takes away from addressing needs elsewhere.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: rougegorge on July 31, 2016, 01:29:46 PM: I just think that we can't afford to continue to start with around a core of half a dozen players from last season.

Given how awful the team was and how the players performed individually and collectively, they will have no confidence in themselves let alone have any faith in each other.

Starting with Cissokho, Hutton, Westwood, Bacuna, Gestede etc just seems psychologically disadvantageous and I would've expected RDM to have done much more by now to address the shortcomings.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Chris Smith on July 31, 2016, 01:33:54 PM: Quote from: wolfman999 on July 31, 2016, 01:18:56 PM
So Gabby is apparently to get yet another chance. If ever there was an indication there is fuck all money available this must surely be it. I truly hope I'm wrong but I fear Dr T is full of crap.

How can you possibly say that when we are only a couple of months into his tenure and there is still a month of the transfer window to go?

Of course it would be great to have everything in place for the first game but our place in the pecking order means that was never going to happen.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: wolfman999 on July 31, 2016, 01:38:45 PM: As I said, I truly hope I'm wrong.

Talk is cheap and we're sure getting plenty of it at the moment.

We shall see and no one will be more delighted than me if the guy is the real deal.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: wolfman999 on July 31, 2016, 01:41:24 PM: By the way Chris, I can possibly say it. It's called an opinion. You have one and so do I.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 31, 2016, 02:01:14 PM: You can say what you like. But a manager spouting a banal platitude about a player he has yet to select for any of our friendlies does not constitute proof that there is "fuck all money", with a month of the transfer window still ahead of us.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: malckennedy on July 31, 2016, 02:06:25 PM: Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 31, 2016, 01:24:55 PM
While it seems easy just to cancel contracts there needs to be a degree of rationality tied to any player decision this new team makes. I think has Gabby came back to training looking the embarrassment the club put up with last season he'd have been out on his ear. However he came back looking as lean as we have seen him in years, so while the anger at him from fans exists, the manager would have spoken to him and gauged him by his attitude to getting back in shape. It's a shame in that regard he got injured and couldn't continue to become match fit. Naturally there is a financial component too and writing off contracts while it might sound easy when it's not your money is very expensive to do and takes away from addressing needs elsewhere.
Hear what you're saying TV, but I have always held the view that Gabby at the peak of his game was only ever just about an average player. Have never really liked him as a player and this is despite his two late strikes against SMA. Of course these were enjoyable but every forward has to score occasionally. He was fortunate that his were able to give him breathing space in terms of popularity to perform poorly for much of the rest of the time. To be fair to him, it wasn't an attitude problem in earlier days, he's just never been that good a footballer.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 31, 2016, 02:16:56 PM: RDM rates Gabby I think.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on July 31, 2016, 02:19:39 PM: Quote from: cdbullyweefan on July 31, 2016, 02:01:14 PM
You can say what you like. But a manager spouting a banal platitude about a player he has yet to select for any of our friendlies does not constitute proof that there is "fuck all money", with a month of the transfer window still ahead of us.

He did play in the game over at Stourport and he didn't do very much.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: spangley1812 on July 31, 2016, 02:20:39 PM: Quote from: SoccerHQ on July 31, 2016, 02:16:56 PM
RDM rates Gabby I think.

Well if it is a fully focussed/fit Gabby he would be an asset in this league but that is a big IF..........................
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: old man villa fan on July 31, 2016, 02:23:24 PM: Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 31, 2016, 01:24:55 PM
While it seems easy just to cancel contracts there needs to be a degree of rationality tied to any player decision this new team makes. I think has Gabby came back to training looking the embarrassment the club put up with last season he'd have been out on his ear. However he came back looking as lean as we have seen him in years, so while the anger at him from fans exists, the manager would have spoken to him and gauged him by his attitude to getting back in shape. It's a shame in that regard he got injured and couldn't continue to become match fit. Naturally there is a financial component too and writing off contracts while it might sound easy when it's not your money is very expensive to do and takes away from addressing needs elsewhere.

For the last couple of years there seems to have been an attitude problem in the dressing room. Somebody in there would appear to be undermining the work put in by the managers and coaches. If there is one individual that is the cause, it would be worth spending £4-5m to clear the dressing room of the problem. The money would be better spent than on bringing a new player in and still having the problem. The trouble with attitude issues is that they resurface when individuals do not get their way.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: eamonn on July 31, 2016, 02:35:24 PM: The worry about Agbonlahor is how much fitness he loses each time he picks up a jiggle, which seems to be often enough and how motivated he is to regain fitness again each time his injuries heal.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 31, 2016, 02:40:38 PM: Not dismissing the attitude problem at the club because it was there for all to see. But it started with the owner and went all the way down. Once Randy's personal interests became non Villa he didn't pay enough attention to the erosion taking place at the club. He didn't put good executives in place and didn't sufficiently monitor their day to day activities. Problems continued to mount and it started to negatively affect all other areas of the club. This of course works its way down to the way the playing side was managed and the malaise infected he senior players who some, instead of being strong and leaders instead took advantage of the disintegration. Basically instead of calming things down and focusing on their duties, looted the club of its pride and dignity.

Back to Gabby, he was one of the key people one would have hoped would have stood up and been a pillar of strength. Instead he did precisely the opposite. So with the change of ownership he had a choice. He could have gambled on the new owner/manager being idiots like the last lot or over the summer tried to change the views people have of him. I think he has tried to do that. The players all kept their heads down and while there is work to do they have gone about their business without fuss. That's what RDM has seen and that is why he is giving him and certain other individuals another chance. Not saying he wouldn't sell him because I think he would but if there isn't any interest then the wise thing is to try and use him and get the most out of him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: garyshawsknee on July 31, 2016, 02:44:58 PM: Quote from: malckennedy on July 31, 2016, 02:06:25 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 31, 2016, 01:24:55 PM
While it seems easy just to cancel contracts there needs to be a degree of rationality tied to any player decision this new team makes. I think has Gabby came back to training looking the embarrassment the club put up with last season he'd have been out on his ear. However he came back looking as lean as we have seen him in years, so while the anger at him from fans exists, the manager would have spoken to him and gauged him by his attitude to getting back in shape. It's a shame in that regard he got injured and couldn't continue to become match fit. Naturally there is a financial component too and writing off contracts while it might sound easy when it's not your money is very expensive to do and takes away from addressing needs elsewhere.
Hear what you're saying TV, but I have always held the view that Gabby at the peak of his game was only ever just about an average player. Have never really liked him as a player and this is despite his two late strikes against SMA. Of course these were enjoyable but every forward has to score occasionally. He was fortunate that his were able to give him breathing space in terms of popularity to perform poorly for much of the rest of the time. To be fair to him, it wasn't an attitude problem in earlier days, he's just never been that good a footballer.

Yeah, in his younger days his attitude and pace made up for a lack of ability. Not sure what he's left with now.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 31, 2016, 02:58:20 PM: Quote from: SoccerHQ on July 31, 2016, 02:16:56 PM
RDM rates Gabby I think.

a lot of these so called experts seem too. Just don't get it myself .
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Fin Feds Dad on July 31, 2016, 03:08:55 PM: What exactly is his injury this time ?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tony scott on July 31, 2016, 03:19:14 PM: I think we haven't moved enough of the unwanted squad players yet. I think a steady season in this year's Championship is a reasonable goal this season, we are not playing premiership teams week in weekout this should enable this squad to win a few matches. No bomb squad please, also if we go straight back up Dr T has to fork out to RL just maybe he wants to sit it out.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ger Regan on July 31, 2016, 03:45:12 PM: From memory the extra income from promotion would outstrip the extra payment quite easily.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 31, 2016, 03:51:08 PM: Quote from: Clampy on July 31, 2016, 02:19:39 PM
Quote from: cdbullyweefan on July 31, 2016, 02:01:14 PM
You can say what you like. But a manager spouting a banal platitude about a player he has yet to select for any of our friendlies does not constitute proof that there is "fuck all money", with a month of the transfer window still ahead of us.

He did play in the game over at Stourport and he didn't do very much.

Fair enough, hadn't realised that. But in any case playing as one of two teams in the same day against a sixth tier club doesn't prove he's part of our plans for the Championship.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KRS on July 31, 2016, 04:13:31 PM: Quote from: tony scott on July 31, 2016, 03:19:14 PM
I think we haven't moved enough of the unwanted squad players yet. I think a steady season in this year's Championship is a reasonable goal this season, we are not playing premiership teams week in weekout this should enable this squad to win a few matches. No bomb squad please, also if we go straight back up Dr T has to fork out to RL just maybe he wants to sit it out.
The club have already made it clear that the objective for the management team and playing staff is promotion back to the PL at the first attempt. If that is to be believed, then they haven't exactly taken steps to fill the fans with the confidence that this is going to happen with the transfer activity so far. I think part of the problem is that they have set expectations but currently failed to provide any evidence on the pitch that this will be achieved.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 31, 2016, 04:19:23 PM: But surely more importantly than filling the fans with hope is that they work closely with the manager to ensure his needs are met. If RDM says he wants to reduce the squad size and evaluate things in a measured manner isn't that more important than signing players in a specific timeframe because fans somehow demand it? I would rather they take a rational, unemotional approach to fixing Villa than some short term unsustainable strategy like those that have got us in to the situation we find ourselves in.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KRS on July 31, 2016, 04:25:53 PM: Absolutely. The fans need to be particularly patient during this transfer window but we all know that football supporters often consist of short minded simple folk with very little patience...there are a few on here that would meet this criteria. If they haven't done the business by the end of the window then that is the time to be concerned, and it will be clear that the clubs objectives for this season will not be met.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 31, 2016, 04:29:41 PM: Yep, I think the last month of the window for us is going to be hectic. I can see 3-4 minimum coming in and at least that going out. I don't see we will see the regular starting XI emerge for a few weeks yet. This is a long season.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Mister E on July 31, 2016, 04:54:13 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on July 31, 2016, 12:57:15 PM
We need 2 players with genuine pace into the forward line. Hernandez would be good. Still think Nakhi Wells would be a good signing. More than anything though we need a wide player with pace.
Green, Davis and H-M would be a start ....
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on July 31, 2016, 05:04:42 PM: And Adama if he can be found.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Lastfootstamper on July 31, 2016, 05:07:13 PM: Quote from: Mister E on July 31, 2016, 04:54:13 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on July 31, 2016, 12:57:15 PM
We need 2 players with genuine pace into the forward line. Hernandez would be good. Still think Nakhi Wells would be a good signing. More than anything though we need a wide player with pace.
Green, Davis and H-M would be a start ....

Could explain the inactivity in the transfer market regarding forwards. Do you buy a "proven" forward who'd shunt a promising kid down the pecking order, or do you trust said kids to do the job?

Kinda glad that's not my decision to make.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on July 31, 2016, 05:42:30 PM: There has to be more targets though. I mean Bristol City got Kodjia last summer for a couple of million. We must have some forward options scouted that would not cost the earth but actually give us some drive and thrust going forward. We can't even play on the counter due to a lack of any pace.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: taylorsworkrate on July 31, 2016, 06:01:33 PM: 33/1 for relegation at the moment. Don't think it will happen, but with the way the squad looks at the moment that price is too big.

I think something like 12/1 would be a more realistic price
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 31, 2016, 06:04:05 PM: FFS
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on July 31, 2016, 06:05:23 PM: Quote from: taylorsworkrate on July 31, 2016, 06:01:33 PM
33/1 for relegation at the moment. Don't think it will happen, but with the way the squad looks at the moment that price is too big.

I think something like 12/1 would be a more realistic price

So get on it if you think it's priced in the gambler's favour.

Bet big and make the most of it.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: old man villa fan on July 31, 2016, 06:06:17 PM: Quote from: taylorsworkrate on July 31, 2016, 06:01:33 PM
33/1 for relegation at the moment. Don't think it will happen, but with the way the squad looks at the moment that price is too big.

I think something like 12/1 would be a more realistic price

From an optimistic point of view, we are joint 2nd favourites at 9/1 to finish top.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: in exile on July 31, 2016, 06:09:59 PM: Quote from: taylorsworkrate on July 31, 2016, 06:01:33 PM
33/1 for relegation at the moment. Don't think it will happen, but with the way the squad looks at the moment that price is too big.

I think something like 12/1 would be a more realistic price

I know "it's only a friendly" but on yesterdays showing we will be nearer to relegation than promotion, but I don't think either will happen
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 31, 2016, 06:27:36 PM: I'm as frustrated as the next man but I think people need to calm down. It can't be done overnight
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on July 31, 2016, 06:38:12 PM: I'm quite upbeat about it.

Gollini, Steer. Goal.
Clark/Baker/Okore/Elphick Centre back.
Richards/Hutton RB.
Amavi/Aly LB
Tshibola/Gardner Centre Midfield.
Adama/Grealish/Green wide/attacking
Ayew Upfront.

We need much more quality in midfield and a Striker. I don't think we are a million miles from a decent team but it will take time.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 31, 2016, 06:42:35 PM: no you are right

but I wish the management would have realise we cant have Bacuna and Westwood in the midfield
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: in exile on July 31, 2016, 06:44:03 PM: Or Hutton/Richards at right back?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: taylorsworkrate on July 31, 2016, 06:47:59 PM: Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 31, 2016, 06:04:05 PM
FFS

12/1 would make us around 17th favourites for relegation.

Hardly a "FFS" worthy statement
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on July 31, 2016, 06:49:13 PM: Quote from: in exile on July 31, 2016, 06:44:03 PM
Or Hutton/Richards at right back?

Like many, I'm not a fan of the man. But if he remains here and is willing to play right back - I'd give him the benefit of the doubt. As I've said before, Hutton is good enough for the championship, in my opinion.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: taylorsworkrate on July 31, 2016, 06:49:44 PM: Quote from: Dave on July 31, 2016, 06:05:23 PM
Quote from: taylorsworkrate on July 31, 2016, 06:01:33 PM
33/1 for relegation at the moment. Don't think it will happen, but with the way the squad looks at the moment that price is too big.

I think something like 12/1 would be a more realistic price

So get on it if you think it's priced in the gambler's favour.

Bet big and make the most of it.

I have had a cheeky tenner on it. Although I do thoroughly expect the squad to be improved by the time the window closes. That's why I said the way the squad looks at the moment
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: in exile on July 31, 2016, 06:58:42 PM: Quote from: taylorsworkrate on July 31, 2016, 06:49:44 PM
Quote from: Dave on July 31, 2016, 06:05:23 PM
Quote from: taylorsworkrate on July 31, 2016, 06:01:33 PM
33/1 for relegation at the moment. Don't think it will happen, but with the way the squad looks at the moment that price is too big.

I think something like 12/1 would be a more realistic price

So get on it if you think it's priced in the gambler's favour.

Bet big and make the most of it.

I have had a cheeky tenner on it. Although I do thoroughly expect the squad to be improved by the time the window closes. That's why I said the way the squad looks at the moment
On which, promotion or relegation?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KRS on July 31, 2016, 07:06:36 PM: Quote from: in exile on July 31, 2016, 06:09:59 PM
Quote from: taylorsworkrate on July 31, 2016, 06:01:33 PM
33/1 for relegation at the moment. Don't think it will happen, but with the way the squad looks at the moment that price is too big.

I think something like 12/1 would be a more realistic price

I know "it's only a friendly" but on yesterdays showing we will be nearer to relegation than promotion, but I don't think either will happen
I think a lot of ppl need to realise that the standard in the Championship is pretty poor so even with our current load of shite squad we will most likely finish in the top half of the table (I advise anyone who disagrees with this statement to take a look at last seasons Championship table). It's what we do in the next few weeks that will determine how high up the table we could finish.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: GarTomas on July 31, 2016, 07:25:15 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on July 31, 2016, 05:42:30 PM
There has to be more targets though. I mean Bristol City got Kodjia last summer for a couple of million. We must have some forward options scouted that would not cost the earth but actually give us some drive and thrust going forward. We can't even play on the counter due to a lack of any pace.

I don't think they inherited a scouting network as such...
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sickbeggar on July 31, 2016, 07:37:03 PM: If the standard in the championship is so poor i'm not sure how 2 of them stayed up last season
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 31, 2016, 07:37:08 PM: Quote from: TheMalandro on July 31, 2016, 06:49:13 PM
Quote from: in exile on July 31, 2016, 06:44:03 PM
Or Hutton/Richards at right back?

Like many, I'm not a fan of the man. But if he remains here and is willing to play right back - I'd give him the benefit of the doubt. As I've said before, Hutton is good enough for the championship, in my opinion.

he actually see's a lot of the ball but his final ball is normally rubbish losing possession , then the other team attacks while he is out of position running back.

He puts the effort in but hes a poor player
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Goldie.7 on July 31, 2016, 07:40:40 PM: Quote from: KRS on July 31, 2016, 07:06:36 PM
Quote from: in exile on July 31, 2016, 06:09:59 PM
Quote from: taylorsworkrate on July 31, 2016, 06:01:33 PM
33/1 for relegation at the moment. Don't think it will happen, but with the way the squad looks at the moment that price is too big.

I think something like 12/1 would be a more realistic price

I know "it's only a friendly" but on yesterdays showing we will be nearer to relegation than promotion, but I don't think either will happen
I think a lot of ppl need to realise that the standard in the Championship is pretty poor so even with our current load of shite squad we will most likely finish in the top half of the table (I advise anyone who disagrees with this statement to take a look at last seasons Championship table). It's what we do in the next few weeks that will determine how high up the table we could finish.

I had a look, it's going to be some shock to see us winning more than half our games to take us where we need to be. Just saying it sounds crazy!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on July 31, 2016, 07:45:43 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on July 31, 2016, 05:42:30 PM
There has to be more targets though. I mean Bristol City got Kodjia last summer for a couple of million. We must have some forward options scouted that would not cost the earth but actually give us some drive and thrust going forward. We can't even play on the counter due to a lack of any pace.

Scouted? You're being optimistic there.

I know one could tell you which is the best beach for surfing in Oz and another the best place for a piss up near the uni in Huddersfield, as for football.... nope, there is still Reilly and his computer game though.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 31, 2016, 07:59:48 PM: Quote from: taylorsworkrate on July 31, 2016, 06:47:59 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 31, 2016, 06:04:05 PM
FFS

12/1 would make us around 17th favourites for relegation.

Hardly a "FFS" worthy statement

Well it is given that after a pre season defeat you have introduced what you would consider realistic relegation odds. Drama Queen comes to mind too. Like Dave said stick all you have on us at 33.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 31, 2016, 08:00:32 PM: Dr Xia is getting it right, we cannot just throw stupid money around - it doesn't guarantee anything, ask Lerner and O'Neill.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on July 31, 2016, 08:06:45 PM: Quote from: aj2k77 on July 31, 2016, 07:45:43 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on July 31, 2016, 05:42:30 PM
There has to be more targets though. I mean Bristol City got Kodjia last summer for a couple of million. We must have some forward options scouted that would not cost the earth but actually give us some drive and thrust going forward. We can't even play on the counter due to a lack of any pace.

Scouted? You're being optimistic there.

I know one could tell you which is the best beach for surfing in Oz and another the best place for a piss up near the uni in Huddersfield, as for football.... nope, there is still Reilly and his computer game though.

Yeah, buying a player based on a couple of good seasons in French football is a million miles away from what Reilly (sic) and his team did.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: taylorsworkrate on July 31, 2016, 08:15:55 PM: Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 31, 2016, 07:59:48 PM
Quote from: taylorsworkrate on July 31, 2016, 06:47:59 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 31, 2016, 06:04:05 PM
FFS

12/1 would make us around 17th favourites for relegation.

Hardly a "FFS" worthy statement

Well it is given that after a pre season defeat you have introduced what you would consider realistic relegation odds. Drama Queen comes to mind too. Like Dave said stick all you have on us at 33.

Its not after the pre season defeat. Pre season games mean absolutely fuck all.

We are still lumbered with many of the tossers who put in next to no effort last season. I don't necessarily buy that their attitudes have suddenly improved. Like I said, I hope and expect the squad to be improved, in terms of getting rid of the ******, and getting some more determined players in.

The alternative is that we struggle to do that, go into the season with largely the squad we have now, and be an outside bet (12/1 would still be very much an outside bet!) to have another poor season. Plenty of other clubs have done similar.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 31, 2016, 08:19:42 PM: You do realize that we are playing in the Championship where the vast majority of teams will be worse than us right? That in the end we will be up against maybe 5 or 6 sides genuinely in the hunt for a top 2 spot. That what we are today isn't what we will be in September let alone by game 18 or 19 of the season. Why even introduce relegation into the conversation?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Mister E on July 31, 2016, 08:26:26 PM: Quote from: TheMalandro on July 31, 2016, 06:38:12 PM
I'm quite upbeat about it.

Gollini, Steer. Goal.
Clark/Baker/Okore/Elphick Centre back.
Richards/Hutton RB.
Amavi/Aly LB
Tshibola/Gardner Centre Midfield.
Adama/Grealish/Green wide/attacking
Ayew Upfront.

We need much more quality in midfield and a Striker. I don't think we are a million miles from a decent team but it will take time.
Cissokho at LB is just gash- I think I'd actually prefer Bennett.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tony Erdington on July 31, 2016, 08:29:27 PM: Quote from: Mister E on July 31, 2016, 08:26:26 PM
Quote from: TheMalandro on July 31, 2016, 06:38:12 PM
I'm quite upbeat about it.

Gollini, Steer. Goal.
Clark/Baker/Okore/Elphick Centre back.
Richards/Hutton RB.
Amavi/Aly LB
Tshibola/Gardner Centre Midfield.
Adama/Grealish/Green wide/attacking
Ayew Upfront.

We need much more quality in midfield and a Striker. I don't think we are a million miles from a decent team but it will take time.
Cissokho at LB is just gash- I think I'd actually prefer Bennett.

All Day
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on July 31, 2016, 08:35:57 PM: Tin hat on, but if we can get a tune out of Richards, he and Amavi could do really well for us in the Championship.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 31, 2016, 08:37:47 PM: Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 31, 2016, 08:19:42 PM
You do realize that we are playing in the Championship where the vast majority of teams will be worse than us right?

I think that's a pretty dangerous assumption to make.

If we'd got relegated last year in a traditional "just failed to squeak staying up" style, then maybe, but we didn't, we had a comedy relegation - 17 points. That's how godawful we were. I would be extremely wary of making too many assumptions about other teams being worse than us.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Risso on July 31, 2016, 08:43:20 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 31, 2016, 08:37:47 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 31, 2016, 08:19:42 PM
You do realize that we are playing in the Championship where the vast majority of teams will be worse than us right?

I think that's a pretty dangerous assumption to make.

If we'd got relegated last year in a traditional "just failed to squeak staying up" style, then maybe, but we didn't, we had a comedy relegation - 17 points. That's how godawful we were. I would be extremely wary of making too many assumptions about other teams being worse than us.

Spot on. Some of them will be of course, but not many of them will have the sorts of confidence issues that a lot of our squad have.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on July 31, 2016, 08:53:13 PM: We were not so much relegated as obliterated. To compound our woe we had a civil war raging in the dressing room instigated by players filled with malice. A number of those players are still on the payroll. The third threat that makes scoffing at the Championship sides unwise is that we have no tangible proof yet that the new owner and the new management team actually have taken on board the fundamental truths that we the loyal supporters have known for five or six seasons.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: villan from luton on July 31, 2016, 08:54:37 PM: Quote from: Newby on July 31, 2016, 08:35:57 PM
Tin hat on, but if we can get a tune out of Richards, he and Amavi could do really well for us in the Championship.

If Richards is fit and has the right attitude, he will be the best right back by a mile, ditto Amavi
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 31, 2016, 09:26:30 PM: Quote from: wolfman999 on July 31, 2016, 01:41:24 PM
By the way Chris, I can possibly say it. It's called an opinion. You have one and so do I.

What makes you think Gabby is getting another chance? (apologies if obvious on another thread).
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on July 31, 2016, 09:37:01 PM: Quote from: brian green on July 31, 2016, 08:53:13 PM
We were not so much relegated as obliterated. To compound our woe we had a civil war raging in the dressing room instigated by players filled with malice. A number of those players are still on the payroll. The third threat that makes scoffing at the Championship sides unwise is that we have no tangible proof yet that the new owner and the new management team actually have taken on board the fundamental truths that we the loyal supporters have known for five or six seasons.

That's the worry. That nothing has really changed. It might. but the second-half against Middlesbrough suggested that it could be another long season ahead. I can't remember the last time that i felt any genuine pre-season excitement rather than an air of 'here we go again' trepidation. I'm not jumping off bridges just yet because it is still July. I expect to lose next week, and fairly convincingly so, which, in the long-run may not be the worst thing.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 31, 2016, 09:37:01 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 31, 2016, 08:37:47 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 31, 2016, 08:19:42 PM
You do realize that we are playing in the Championship where the vast majority of teams will be worse than us right?

I think that's a pretty dangerous assumption to make.

If we'd got relegated last year in a traditional "just failed to squeak staying up" style, then maybe, but we didn't, we had a comedy relegation - 17 points. That's how godawful we were. I would be extremely wary of making too many assumptions about other teams being worse than us.

Not really a dangerous assumption at all. For us not to be better than than the vast majority of sides in the Championship next season we'd need to finish lower than 8th or so by my estimation. Let's see how this turns out shall we? As disappointing as yesterday's pre season game turned out I'm not about to start discussing relegation odds, and irrespective of how last season ended.

There's so much that is different about the club and so much road in front of us to make changes and improve. Most teams by the end of the window won't have come close to what we will have spent. I'm not about to dismiss the need for those players to bed in, but playing against lower grade opposition will ensure that this happens faster.

There are clearly holes to fill, but unless we have been completely lied to I expect that the new board and manager will have addressed many of those needs by the time the window closes.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on July 31, 2016, 09:41:25 PM: Quote from: villan from luton on July 31, 2016, 08:54:37 PM
Quote from: Newby on July 31, 2016, 08:35:57 PM
Tin hat on, but if we can get a tune out of Richards, he and Amavi could do really well for us in the Championship.

If Richards is fit and has the right attitude, he will be the best right back by a mile, ditto Amavi

i sit in the lower north and have had the misfortune of seeing richards 'play' at right back at close quarters. i dont think ive ever seen a player with less positional sense or awareness of what is going on around them
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 31, 2016, 09:43:51 PM: Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on July 31, 2016, 09:41:25 PM
Quote from: villan from luton on July 31, 2016, 08:54:37 PM
Quote from: Newby on July 31, 2016, 08:35:57 PM
Tin hat on, but if we can get a tune out of Richards, he and Amavi could do really well for us in the Championship.

If Richards is fit and has the right attitude, he will be the best right back by a mile, ditto Amavi

i sit in the lower north and have had the misfortune of see richards 'play' at right back back. i dont think ive ever seen a player with less positional sense or awareness of what is going on around them

I agree with a lot of that, but I also a big part of that is the don't give a fuck attitude he carried around with him. I think he's a better player than he showed but at the very top level of sport so much is mental. And he and many others showed little or no application last season that it seriously impacted the physical side of their game.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 31, 2016, 09:44:10 PM: I think we need 3/4 players plus a few leaving and we'll be very competitive.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on July 31, 2016, 09:51:09 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 31, 2016, 09:44:10 PM
I think we need 3/4 players plus a few leaving and we'll be very competitive.

We simply have to replace the players who are not physically strong enough to compete in this division. Westwood and Bacuna for starters. They have not yet bottomed out and found their true level. I'm sure both Clarke and RDM see that the lack of pace and power is a problem and will hopefully address this shortly.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 31, 2016, 09:54:26 PM: Quote from: Newby on July 31, 2016, 09:51:09 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on July 31, 2016, 09:44:10 PM
I think we need 3/4 players plus a few leaving and we'll be very competitive.

We simply have to replace the players who are not physically strong enough to compete in this division. Westwood and Bacuna for starters. They have not yet bottomed out and found their true level. I'm sure both Clarke and RDM see that the lack of pace and power is a problem and will hopefully address this shortly.

I disagree, not specifically those players, but that there is a minimum physical threshold. Bannan was one of the players of the year last season and he is the opposite of physically strong.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on July 31, 2016, 10:01:54 PM: Quote from: Rudy65 on July 31, 2016, 09:34:34 AM
Quote from: nick harper on July 31, 2016, 09:14:43 AM
Sunday Times reporting we are after Abel Hernandez from Hull. Cash plus Gestede. Suggests we're trying to take advantage of their chairman trying to sell the club.

Hernandez scored 21 last season.

Would be good but cant imagine why Hernandez would swop the prem for the championship

Agreed ! seems like we just scouting off the lists of top scorers of the championship weather true or not by media so it's just educated guess work.

Ross McCormack fulham,Abel Hernández hull, jonathan Kodjia bristol City were in top 4 scorers of league

By this theory and my research the next bids and links will be with

17 Goals getter Tomer Hemed
Brighton

Nahki Wells pace man
Huddersfield 17 Goals fame

15 Goals scored by big man
Chris Martin derby

15 Goals scored
10 Assists Fernando Forestieri Sheff Wed--- tgis is rhe one i want £10-12 million

14 Goals scored by Brentford pair
Alan Judge and lasse Vibe .
Alan judge decent and cruelly injured and broke leg but made championship team of year. Judge is small midfielder /winger who attacks at will.

I hazard a guess one or two of these above could be bought .

I conclude Judge , Hernandez and Forresteri would be lovely we could add nahki wells if Kodjia or Hernandez doesn't come and these names put forward

That is my scouting of championship ready strikers justlike football manager
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 31, 2016, 10:04:35 PM: Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 31, 2016, 09:37:01 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 31, 2016, 08:37:47 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 31, 2016, 08:19:42 PM
You do realize that we are playing in the Championship where the vast majority of teams will be worse than us right?

I think that's a pretty dangerous assumption to make.

If we'd got relegated last year in a traditional "just failed to squeak staying up" style, then maybe, but we didn't, we had a comedy relegation - 17 points. That's how godawful we were. I would be extremely wary of making too many assumptions about other teams being worse than us.

Not really a dangerous assumption at all. For us not to be better than than the vast majority of sides in the Championship next season we'd need to finish lower than 8th or so by my estimation. Let's see how this turns out shall we? As disappointing as yesterday's pre season game turned out I'm not about to start discussing relegation odds, and irrespective of how last season ended.

There's so much that is different about the club and so much road in front of us to make changes and improve. Most teams by the end of the window won't have come close to what we will have spent. I'm not about to dismiss the need for those players to bed in, but playing against lower grade opposition will ensure that this happens faster.

There are clearly holes to fill, but unless we have been completely lied to I expect that the new board and manager will have addressed many of those needs by the time the window closes.

Isn't there a contradiction between saying in one breath that the "vast majority of teams will be worse than us" and then "let's just see how the season pans out"? It works both ways.

For me it is absolutely a dangerous assumption and a bit arrogant too - I would say that squad that finished the season would struggle to finish halfway up the Championship. Since then, it has hardly changed. If Gueye goes, then really, is it any stronger? Guzan replaced and an uninspiring centre half and midfielder added? Is that enough to materially change the utter laughing stock of last season?

It might be, it might not be, but assuming it is strikes me as extremely dangerous.

You say there's so much different about the club, and that's true, but there's hardly anything different about the squad. It is largely the same bunch of wasters as last season. Look at yesterday's match, pretty much every one of our weaknesses last season was still there in spades.

I would make absolutely no assumptions on how much better than the rest of the league we will be, especially not after the laughing stock we were last year.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: garyshawsknee on July 31, 2016, 10:04:58 PM: I like what I've seen of Wells. Looks a threat and has real pace, wouldn't cost the earth too.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: markeeeebeeee2005 on July 31, 2016, 10:06:11 PM: Quote from: villan from luton on July 31, 2016, 08:54:37 PM
Quote from: Newby on July 31, 2016, 08:35:57 PM
Tin hat on, but if we can get a tune out of Richards, he and Amavi could do really well for us in the Championship.

If Richards is fit and has the right attitude, he will be the best right back by a mile, ditto Amavi

Well his attitude stinks, so he won't be the best right back in the championship.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tony Erdington on July 31, 2016, 10:08:31 PM: Quote from: footyskillz on July 31, 2016, 10:01:54 PM
Quote from: Rudy65 on July 31, 2016, 09:34:34 AM
Quote from: nick harper on July 31, 2016, 09:14:43 AM
Sunday Times reporting we are after Abel Hernandez from Hull. Cash plus Gestede. Suggests we're trying to take advantage of their chairman trying to sell the club.

Hernandez scored 21 last season.

Would be good but cant imagine why Hernandez would swop the prem for the championship

Agreed ! seems like we just scouting off the lists of top scorers of the championship weather true or not by media so it's just educated guess work.

Ross McCormack fulham,Abel Hernández hull, jonathan Kodjia bristol City were in top 4 scorers of league

By this theory and my research the next bids and links will be with

17 Goals getter Tomer Hemed
Brighton

Nahki Wells pace man
Huddersfield 17 Goals fame

15 Goals scored by big man
Chris Martin derby

15 Goals scored
10 Assists Fernando Forestieri Sheff Wed--- tgis is rhe one i want £10-12 million

14 Goals scored by Brentford pair
Alan Judge and lasse Vibe .
Alan judge decent and cruelly injured and broke leg but made championship team of year. Judge is small midfielder /winger who attacks at will.

I hazard a guess one or two of these above could be bought .

I conclude Judge , Hernandez and Forresteri would be lovely we could add nahki wells if Kodjia or Hernandez doesn't come and these names put forward

That is my scouting of championship ready strikers justlike football manager

Thanks for that Skillz, I haven't looked at the championship in that detail, but we will see what the Dr orders.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on July 31, 2016, 10:10:00 PM: Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on July 31, 2016, 09:41:25 PM
Quote from: villan from luton on July 31, 2016, 08:54:37 PM
Quote from: Newby on July 31, 2016, 08:35:57 PM
Tin hat on, but if we can get a tune out of Richards, he and Amavi could do really well for us in the Championship.

If Richards is fit and has the right attitude, he will be the best right back by a mile, ditto Amavi

i sit in the lower north and have had the misfortune of seeing richards 'play' at right back at close quarters. I dont think I've ever seen a player with less positional sense or awareness of what is going on around them

I'll have a go at beating that. Richards in his "preferred" position of centre back. It's like watching someone with no sense of balance come off 6 consecutive rides on the waltzers after necking ½ litre vodka before they started.

Actually scrub that. You'd think his was still riding an invisible waltzer.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 31, 2016, 10:12:09 PM: Physical strength is overrated. What a player needs is balance and if he has that he'll deal with the physical challenges.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villafirst on July 31, 2016, 10:29:32 PM: I disagree regarding Richards. He just needs the right management team behind him. He was a good player at Man City and made the England team. I still think he could do a job at RB instead of Hutton, who I think is mediocre. Richards has real physical presence which will needed in a tough league.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 31, 2016, 10:30:04 PM: Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 31, 2016, 09:43:51 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on July 31, 2016, 09:41:25 PM
Quote from: villan from luton on July 31, 2016, 08:54:37 PM
Quote from: Newby on July 31, 2016, 08:35:57 PM
Tin hat on, but if we can get a tune out of Richards, he and Amavi could do really well for us in the Championship.

If Richards is fit and has the right attitude, he will be the best right back by a mile, ditto Amavi

i sit in the lower north and have had the misfortune of see richards 'play' at right back back. i dont think ive ever seen a player with less positional sense or awareness of what is going on around them

I agree with a lot of that, but I also a big part of that is the don't give a fuck attitude he carried around with him. I think he's a better player than he showed but at the very top level of sport so much is mental. And he and many others showed little or no application last season that it seriously impacted the physical side of their game.

Nah, at his best he was a buccaneering fullback and strong as an ox. The fact he played in a v good man city team masked his complete lack of positional awareness. He's potentially a great fullback in the championship (i.e. less time defending) however I suspect he thinks that the league is below him, after all he had little appetite fore a relegation battle.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on July 31, 2016, 10:32:42 PM: He started at RB all the way through City's first title win, didn't he? Must've been doing something well for Mancini to pick him that often, although I suppose having Milner ahead of you and Kompany next to you would make things fairly easy.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 31, 2016, 10:43:46 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 31, 2016, 10:04:35 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 31, 2016, 09:37:01 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on July 31, 2016, 08:37:47 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on July 31, 2016, 08:19:42 PM
You do realize that we are playing in the Championship where the vast majority of teams will be worse than us right?

I think that's a pretty dangerous assumption to make.

If we'd got relegated last year in a traditional "just failed to squeak staying up" style, then maybe, but we didn't, we had a comedy relegation - 17 points. That's how godawful we were. I would be extremely wary of making too many assumptions about other teams being worse than us.

Not really a dangerous assumption at all. For us not to be better than than the vast majority of sides in the Championship next season we'd need to finish lower than 8th or so by my estimation. Let's see how this turns out shall we? As disappointing as yesterday's pre season game turned out I'm not about to start discussing relegation odds, and irrespective of how last season ended.

There's so much that is different about the club and so much road in front of us to make changes and improve. Most teams by the end of the window won't have come close to what we will have spent. I'm not about to dismiss the need for those players to bed in, but playing against lower grade opposition will ensure that this happens faster.

There are clearly holes to fill, but unless we have been completely lied to I expect that the new board and manager will have addressed many of those needs by the time the window closes.

Isn't there a contradiction between saying in one breath that the "vast majority of teams will be worse than us" and then "let's just see how the season pans out"? It works both ways.

For me it is absolutely a dangerous assumption and a bit arrogant too - I would say that squad that finished the season would struggle to finish halfway up the Championship. Since then, it has hardly changed. If Gueye goes, then really, is it any stronger? Guzan replaced and an uninspiring centre half and midfielder added? Is that enough to materially change the utter laughing stock of last season?

It might be, it might not be, but assuming it is strikes me as extremely dangerous.

You say there's so much different about the club, and that's true, but there's hardly anything different about the squad. It is largely the same bunch of wasters as last season. Look at yesterday's match, pretty much every one of our weaknesses last season was still there in spades.

I would make absolutely no assumptions on how much better than the rest of the league we will be, especially not after the laughing stock we were last year.
i completely agree, unless there is a recognition that this squad needs major surgery, then we will be in for another dissapointing season.
i can't blame the management for picking those players, every manager has done the same with the same outcome.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: LTA on August 01, 2016, 12:18:24 AM: Quote from: N'ZMAV on July 31, 2016, 08:00:32 PM
Dr Xia is getting it right, we cannot just throw stupid money around - it doesn't guarantee anything, ask Lerner and O'Neill.

True. However this dawdling isnt the way forward either. The squad is still by and large the same one that failed abjectly last season. We didnt score enough goals and we conceeded shit loads of sunday league goals. Neither has been addressed yet.

Totally unacceptable.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brentastonb6 on August 01, 2016, 01:06:33 AM: Does anyone have a clue what is happening in relation to our supposed bid for the Bristol City forward or what the reason for Veeretout's omission from the squad against Boro was please?
Thank you : )
PS Tuesday's lottery numbers would be helpful too : )
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 01, 2016, 05:16:34 AM: no, no, and no.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: pbavfckuwait on August 01, 2016, 07:20:29 AM: The talk for the championship is aimed at needing physically strong players, that as someone said earlier is not the be all and end all, if a player is good enough regardless of size he is good enough.
We are a team that mentally have the strength of 5 year old's if last season is anything to go by and I know only a friendly but Saturdays collapse shows this weakness is still there. This may not show in training, but has been there for us all to see for a good number of years when it matters on match day, this is what RDM must alter and if players are mentally shot they must be sidelined, if not the championship will be a very very rough ride.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: AV89 on August 01, 2016, 07:48:35 AM: http://www.skysports.com/football/news/12040/10518090/ian-holloways-championship-table-prediction-aston-villa-could-go-down-again
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on August 01, 2016, 07:53:18 AM: Holloway is a gimp.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sid1964 on August 01, 2016, 08:05:48 AM: I think that a lot of what Holloway says is true, until we get rid of the losers (which is most of them) I cannot see us challenging for a play off spot

We have to remember that when the likes of Rotherham turn up at Villa Park, it will be there cup final, unless we can match them for endeavour, and the physical side of the game we will struggle

As a Wolves fan at work tells me the Championship is no place for big time Charlie's (we have a fair few of them)

We desperately need a good start otherwise it could be that our crowd will once again turn on the players etc..., we lost a friendly on Saturday and reading some of the comments on here it would appear as though we are already starting to turn on some of them

For the Management / players of our club, the pressure is different this season, a lot of Villa fans expect us to be up towards the top of the table, it will be interesting to see if they can handle it.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: rob_bridge on August 01, 2016, 08:20:17 AM: Attack wise it will depend on whether Grealish has grown up and knuckled down and as to whether the empty tank that has been Agbonalhor has anything left.

Slightly different positions but they would need be our equivalent of Nolan/Carroll for Newcastle 09-10. Oh and don't forget they lost something like 6-1 to Orient in a pre season friendly that year
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on August 01, 2016, 08:33:05 AM: Quote from: LTA on August 01, 2016, 12:18:24 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on July 31, 2016, 08:00:32 PM
Dr Xia is getting it right, we cannot just throw stupid money around - it doesn't guarantee anything, ask Lerner and O'Neill.

True. However this dawdling isnt the way forward either.

If you agree that throwing money around isn't the answer, what makes you come to the conclusion that we are dawdling?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oldtimernow on August 01, 2016, 08:50:47 AM: Quote from: in exile on July 31, 2016, 06:44:03 PM
Or Hutton/Richards at right back?

The Maginot Line !
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on August 01, 2016, 08:51:45 AM: Quote from: AV89 on August 01, 2016, 07:48:35 AM
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/12040/10518090/ian-holloways-championship-table-prediction-aston-villa-could-go-down-again

Quote
The overpaying they would have done thinking they're just nailed on Premier League side means they're now in the mire.

I speak the same language variation as Ollie and even I don't know what the first part of this sentence means
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 01, 2016, 08:53:29 AM: The problems is quite obvious to me; we're just struggling to get rid of the unwanted players. Until we do, we simply don't have room on the wage-bill to bring new players in.

I'm still fairly confident that we'll see a load of activity towards the end of the window, and that we'll see at least another 4 players incoming.

Whether that'll be enough remains to be seen...
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sid1964 on August 01, 2016, 08:59:27 AM: If we don't see a fair few new players arrive, then Dr X will be accused of being liar, fraud, having no money on here etc...!

What I don't understand is we have had a good offer in from Celtic for Sinclair, and we turn it down, then we make ourselves look silly with the Gueye situation, if his contract buy out clause has been met, then how can we say NO?, surely we are now in breach of his contract? (might be a question for our HR people on here)

We could have got rid of 2 players, and raised some much needed funds for new players to brought in.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 01, 2016, 09:16:57 AM: I thought RDM had been explicit in his last press conference that Gana is gone?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on August 01, 2016, 09:17:50 AM: Quote from: sid1964 on August 01, 2016, 08:05:48 AM
I think that a lot of what Holloway says is true, until we get rid of the losers (which is most of them) I cannot see us challenging for a play off spot

We have to remember that when the likes of Rotherham turn up at Villa Park, it will be there cup final, unless we can match them for endeavour, and the physical side of the game we will struggle

As a Wolves fan at work tells me the Championship is no place for big time Charlie's (we have a fair few of them)

We desperately need a good start otherwise it could be that our crowd will once again turn on the players etc..., we lost a friendly on Saturday and reading some of the comments on here it would appear as though we are already starting to turn on some of them

For the Management / players of our club, the pressure is different this season, a lot of Villa fans expect us to be up towards the top of the table, it will be interesting to see if they can handle it.

i work with a blues fan who is surprisingly knowlegeable and level headed and he reckons that whilst the championship isnt a slugfest teams wont give you time on the ball so lets hope that our fitness improves

as has already been said for at least half the teams in the league us and the barcodes are going to ae their cup final.

interesting times ahead and i dont have a clue as to where we finish.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 01, 2016, 09:21:54 AM: Quote from: mr underhill on August 01, 2016, 09:16:57 AM
I thought RDM had been explicit in his last press conference that Gana is gone?
as good as gone.

He'll be an Everton player by next weekend.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 01, 2016, 10:08:37 AM: Quote from: sid1964 on August 01, 2016, 08:59:27 AM
If we don't see a fair few new players arrive, then Dr X will be accused of being liar, fraud, having no money on here etc...!

What I don't understand is we have had a good offer in from Celtic for Sinclair, and we turn it down, then we make ourselves look silly with the Gueye situation, if his contract buy out clause has been met, then how can we say NO?, surely we are now in breach of his contract? (might be a question for our HR people on here)

We could have got rid of 2 players, and raised some much needed funds for new players to brought in.

Yeah and if it's true Burnley offered 6m for Westwood and WBA 4m for Clark again I don't understand why bids were rejected.

Can only conclude RDM sees them as key parts of the team which should make it fun on here for another year...
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: David_Nab on August 01, 2016, 10:12:20 AM: 6mil for Westwood looks about 5 mil over valued based on Saturdays performance , I would sell him and Clark not just on ability but because they like others are so tarnished with failure now we just need wholesale changes ..
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 01, 2016, 10:15:27 AM: Quote from: SoccerHQ on August 01, 2016, 10:08:37 AM
Quote from: sid1964 on August 01, 2016, 08:59:27 AM
If we don't see a fair few new players arrive, then Dr X will be accused of being liar, fraud, having no money on here etc...!

What I don't understand is we have had a good offer in from Celtic for Sinclair, and we turn it down, then we make ourselves look silly with the Gueye situation, if his contract buy out clause has been met, then how can we say NO?, surely we are now in breach of his contract? (might be a question for our HR people on here)

We could have got rid of 2 players, and raised some much needed funds for new players to brought in.

Yeah and if it's true Burnley offered 6m for Westwood and WBA 4m for Clark again I don't understand why bids were rejected.

Can only conclude RDM sees them as key parts of the team which should make it fun on here for another year...

Or maybe none of those bids were made.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Jim Shoes on August 01, 2016, 10:28:30 AM: I don't like Hollaway but he's bang on the money with what he's said.

We are in big trouble no matter what spin the Dr put's on it, the reality will soon bite.

I'm still angry about last season and I'm dreading this season with most of the tosser still stealing a living off the club!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 01, 2016, 10:33:12 AM: Quote from: Jim Shoes on August 01, 2016, 10:28:30 AM
I don't like Hollaway but he's bang on the money with what he's said.

We are in big trouble no matter what spin the Dr put's on it, the reality will soon bite.

I'm still angry about last season and I'm dreading this season with most of the tosser still stealing a living off the club!

He's bang on when he says there are no relegation clauses and bigger clubs have gone down twice?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on August 01, 2016, 10:37:25 AM: I feel like too many people vastly overestimate the quality of most Championship sides. We've been prolifically shit for the past six years, and yet, generally whenever we've tried, Championship sides have rarely posed a problem.

I'm not saying it'll be a cakewalk, and certainly at this stage, I'm thinking playoffs would be the likeliest outcome, but for fuck's sake, I thought we were done accounting for Ian Holloway's opinion especially after the hilarious Charlie Adam business back in January 2011.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 01, 2016, 10:46:30 AM: I think he's not far off if things stay as they are - 10th, 11th would be about it. But there is still a month to go to bring players in and ship some of the shite out.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on August 01, 2016, 10:47:41 AM: Quote from: AV89 on August 01, 2016, 07:48:35 AM
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/12040/10518090/ian-holloways-championship-table-prediction-aston-villa-could-go-down-again

"Lack of investment" - currently the highest net spenders.

"no relegation clauses" - despite there being relegation clauses.

"teams as big as Villa have gone down twice" - who? Name one.

What a tit. He can predict what he likes, but I can't believe we have eejits falling over themselves to declare him bang on the money when he'd struggle to find the difference between his arse and his elbow, the bitter little shite.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 01, 2016, 10:52:37 AM: I'd love to know who the bigger sides were that have gone down twice in a row. He's probably counting Bristol Rovers, the daft carrot-chomper. (No offence Redsox! 😉)
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 01, 2016, 11:08:13 AM: Considering we're the biggest club to ever be in Division 3 i'd like to know as well.

Still, we'll see when we play his side this season. That's assuming we can arrange a friendly with Unemployed Since Being Sacked By Millwall For Being Shit FC.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: OzVilla on August 01, 2016, 11:08:47 AM: Does Worzel have some link to the Noses because he doesn't half spout the sort of nonsense they do. Whenever he talks about us he comes across as a bitter half wit.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 01, 2016, 11:11:15 AM: Quote from: cdbullyweefan on August 01, 2016, 10:52:37 AM
I'd love to know who the bigger sides were that have gone down twice in a row. He's probably counting Bristol Rovers, the daft carrot-chomper. (No offence Redsox! 😉)

Can only assume given the success and way club is viewed now he views Man. City as one who went down from prem in mid 90s and then were relegated again two years later.

Leeds did the same two years ago.

Neither club have our history but both are better attendance wise, Man. City were averaging 30k in league one in the late 90s and Leeds get 20k + most weeks which is probably what we'll start with for the first couple of months.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 01, 2016, 11:13:00 AM: Quote from: SoccerHQ on August 01, 2016, 11:11:15 AM
Quote from: cdbullyweefan on August 01, 2016, 10:52:37 AM
I'd love to know who the bigger sides were that have gone down twice in a row. He's probably counting Bristol Rovers, the daft carrot-chomper. (No offence Redsox! 😉)

Can only assume given the success and way club is viewed now he views Man. City as one who went down from prem in mid 90s and then were relegated again two years later.

Leeds did the same two years ago.

Neither club have our history but both are better attendance wise, Man. City were averaging 30k in league one in the late 90s and Leeds get 20k + most weeks which is probably what we'll start with for the first couple of months.

Or maybe he's just talking ill-informed bollocks to get a response.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on August 01, 2016, 11:13:20 AM: I'm a miserable bastard at the best of times but even I can see Ian Holloway is one of the top tier Skysports, sensationalist, know nothing, gob shites.

He shoots from his arse, differing comments on a weekly basis. He's also no fan of our club. He talks like a fucking cabbage and is a really shit version of Neil Warnock.

Massive bell end who needs ignoring. Bumpkin dickhead.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on August 01, 2016, 11:16:44 AM: Quote from: SoccerHQ on August 01, 2016, 11:11:15 AM
Quote from: cdbullyweefan on August 01, 2016, 10:52:37 AM
I'd love to know who the bigger sides were that have gone down twice in a row. He's probably counting Bristol Rovers, the daft carrot-chomper. (No offence Redsox! 😉)

Can only assume given the success and way club is viewed now he views Man. City as one who went down from prem in mid 90s and then were relegated again two years later.

Leeds did the same two years ago.

Neither club have our history but both are better attendance wise, Man. City were averaging 30k in league one in the late 90s and Leeds get 20k + most weeks which is probably what we'll start with for the first couple of months.

Man City were certainly not bigger than Villa in the late 90's. We were constantly challenging for top 6 whilst Man City generally struggled. I don't mind Man City, they're getting gradually more and more repulsive now but it's fair to say they hadn't been challengers since the 70's and weren't on the same level as the Villa.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: robbo1874 on August 01, 2016, 11:23:02 AM: Quote from: SoccerHQ on August 01, 2016, 10:08:37 AM
Quote from: sid1964 on August 01, 2016, 08:59:27 AM
If we don't see a fair few new players arrive, then Dr X will be accused of being liar, fraud, having no money on here etc...!

What I don't understand is we have had a good offer in from Celtic for Sinclair, and we turn it down, then we make ourselves look silly with the Gueye situation, if his contract buy out clause has been met, then how can we say NO?, surely we are now in breach of his contract? (might be a question for our HR people on here)

We could have got rid of 2 players, and raised some much needed funds for new players to brought in.

Yeah and if it's true Burnley offered 6m for Westwood and WBA 4m for Clark again I don't understand why bids were rejected.

Can only conclude RDM sees them as key parts of the team which should make it fun on here for another year...
personally, I'd keep Clarke- I think he'll be fine in the championship, but if reports are to be believed that we've had substantial bids for Westwood and Sinclair and knocked them back, then I really can't understand the thinking behind it. Selling that pair for the best part of 10 mil would free up funds and wages to bring in a decent player.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on August 01, 2016, 11:24:26 AM: If we can get any money for Sinclair and Westwood, plus the boon of probably millions off the wage bill then it would be a great deal. They, again, will offer nothing next season.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 01, 2016, 11:33:14 AM: Holloway is just spouting baseless nonsense. Let's see where we are in terms of our team at the end of August and it'll be easier to make a sound judgement.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 01, 2016, 11:34:56 AM: Quote from: aj2k77 on August 01, 2016, 11:16:44 AM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on August 01, 2016, 11:11:15 AM
Quote from: cdbullyweefan on August 01, 2016, 10:52:37 AM
I'd love to know who the bigger sides were that have gone down twice in a row. He's probably counting Bristol Rovers, the daft carrot-chomper. (No offence Redsox! 😉)

Can only assume given the success and way club is viewed now he views Man. City as one who went down from prem in mid 90s and then were relegated again two years later.

Leeds did the same two years ago.

Neither club have our history but both are better attendance wise, Man. City were averaging 30k in league one in the late 90s and Leeds get 20k + most weeks which is probably what we'll start with for the first couple of months.

Man City were certainly not bigger than Villa in the late 90's. We were constantly challenging for top 6 whilst Man City generally struggled. I don't mind Man City, they're getting gradually more and more repulsive now but it's fair to say they hadn't been challengers since the 70's and weren't on the same level as the Villa.

Yes I know but he's viewing Man. City through the prism of their status now here and worldwide.

Like Holloway or not but he has two promotions and a relegation from this league so he knows what state you need to be in to do well or not.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brontebilly on August 01, 2016, 11:42:07 AM: Our options at full back are ghastly. Daniels at Bournemouth might be available with Mings back from injury and Smith signed from Liverpool. Thought RDM would be shopping a lot more in the solid but not past it pro bucket this summer.

Holding out for another 200k for Sinclair is madness too. Need to get rid of that gutless clown asap
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 01, 2016, 11:56:25 AM: at the moment we are not shopping anywhere - yes it was a friendly on Saturday, but a friendly reminder that we are still shite and need big changes, quickly.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: berneboy on August 01, 2016, 12:13:34 PM: Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 01, 2016, 11:13:00 AM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on August 01, 2016, 11:11:15 AM
Quote from: cdbullyweefan on August 01, 2016, 10:52:37 AM
I'd love to know who the bigger sides were that have gone down twice in a row. He's probably counting Bristol Rovers, the daft carrot-chomper. (No offence Redsox! 😉)

Can only assume given the success and way club is viewed now he views Man. City as one who went down from prem in mid 90s and then were relegated again two years later.

Leeds did the same two years ago.

Neither club have our history but both are better attendance wise, Man. City were averaging 30k in league one in the late 90s and Leeds get 20k + most weeks which is probably what we'll start with for the first couple of months.

Or maybe he's just talking ill-informed bollocks to get a response.

Agreed, Dave.
Silly, silly man.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 01, 2016, 12:19:40 PM: He's Sky's championship pundit so that's why he did the preview.

He'll also be more than likely doing our game on Sunday so not the last you've heard of Holloway this season.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Bottom Right 89 on August 01, 2016, 12:37:35 PM: Can't believe the man gets paid to spout this BS, this fella has just got a big Villa Chip with Curry Sauce on his shoulder. Maybe he should stick to the facts rather than speculate on the state of the club. He's put us behind Blues FFS even our worst side in history beat them last season. I've put my money down, we've got more than enough in our squad already to take on the likes of Brighton, add a couple more before the window shuts and we're winning this title.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on August 01, 2016, 12:49:24 PM: Quote from: SoccerHQ on August 01, 2016, 11:34:56 AM
Quote from: aj2k77 on August 01, 2016, 11:16:44 AM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on August 01, 2016, 11:11:15 AM
Quote from: cdbullyweefan on August 01, 2016, 10:52:37 AM
I'd love to know who the bigger sides were that have gone down twice in a row. He's probably counting Bristol Rovers, the daft carrot-chomper. (No offence Redsox! 😉)

Can only assume given the success and way club is viewed now he views Man. City as one who went down from prem in mid 90s and then were relegated again two years later.

Leeds did the same two years ago.

Neither club have our history but both are better attendance wise, Man. City were averaging 30k in league one in the late 90s and Leeds get 20k + most weeks which is probably what we'll start with for the first couple of months.

Man City were certainly not bigger than Villa in the late 90's. We were constantly challenging for top 6 whilst Man City generally struggled. I don't mind Man City, they're getting gradually more and more repulsive now but it's fair to say they hadn't been challengers since the 70's and weren't on the same level as the Villa.

Yes I know but he's viewing Man. City through the prism of their status now here and worldwide.

Like Holloway or not but he has two promotions and a relegation from this league so he knows what state you need to be in to do well or not.

So what? He's based his analysis on a series of nonsensical comments. He's a bitter little bumpkin.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: QuintonVilla on August 01, 2016, 12:51:10 PM: Newcastle are going to walk this league, we will be nowhere near them. They've now bid £4.5m for Mo Diame, would add steel and power to our midfield.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 01, 2016, 01:05:19 PM: Quote from: QuintonVilla on August 01, 2016, 12:51:10 PM
Newcastle are going to walk this league, we will be nowhere near them. They've now bid £4.5m for Mo Diame, would add steel and power to our midfield.

Let's see. I still believe they're our best benchmark as both sides had a group of players that couldn't give a shit about playing for their respective clubs and their fans hated their players in a similar way to us last season. They still have ownership issues, we hopefully (touch wood, crosses everything) have put that one to bed.

You could argue Benitez has had more time to judge his squad and make the necessary changes but hopefully RDM/Clarke took the time to watch the videos of our games to get up to speed. Garde's report he presented to Brian Little would make interesting and useful reading too. Xia has promised money this summer which is certainly needed. There's no way we can even think about getting promoted on a shoestring budget. Time will tell how ambitious we really are but now is not the time to panic. We still have a month to build the squad but it would have been great to go into the new season with the team shaping up rather than so many sad faces from last season stinking the place out.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 01, 2016, 01:07:01 PM: The only club I can think of that is of a comparable size to us and has played outside the top two divisions is Rangers.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 01, 2016, 01:11:39 PM: Is McCormack, at 13m on a 4 year deal worth it for the 25 ish goals?

Diame is good on his day, but goes missing a lot. Would be a good signing though.

I would like to have seen us get a right back, winger and striker in before the game next week then 2-3 loans before the window closes.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on August 01, 2016, 01:11:57 PM: Newcastle have a better squad and a better manager, we won't be challenging them this season. Whose going to score the goals? Who's going to create the chances? Who's going to win the battles in midfield? Where are the voices? Where are the leaders?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on August 01, 2016, 01:12:35 PM: The time to answer that question will be 31st August.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 01, 2016, 01:14:05 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on August 01, 2016, 01:11:39 PM
Diame is good on his day, but goes missing a lot.

Typical Newcastle signing then.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on August 01, 2016, 01:32:34 PM: I'm starting to get a bit worried but I'm not at full-on panic stage at the moment. We'll have played 5 league games if we wait until the transfer deadline to get new players in. And until then, RDM would have to be a really good manager to get a bounce out of some of the dead cats we still have in the squad. Tony did say £50m, is that right?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on August 01, 2016, 01:33:34 PM: Quote from: aj2k77 on August 01, 2016, 01:11:57 PM
Newcastle have a better squad and a better manager, we won't be challenging them this season. Whose going to score the goals? Who's going to create the chances? Who's going to win the battles in midfield? Where are the voices? Where are the leaders?

A manager who doesn't have that so called 'essential' championship experience no less ?

What the current obsession with Newcastle, who have lost good players is all about i'll never understand. They were shit last season lets not forget, not as shit as us granted but you'd think Arsenal had got relegated alongside us not Newcastle the way some folks are carrying on

I don't think for one minute we'll get promoted this season anyway. Turning around 5 years of garbage in one season is asking a lot of anybody. never mind a new manager and owner.

It's going to take time.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mattjpa on August 01, 2016, 01:40:42 PM: Maybe the mouthy little shit got some dogs abuse after he slated us and now has a chip on shoulder about us. To be fair, knowing some football fans, nothing would have been off limits - family, disability, whatever. even the most pessimistic of fans surely wouldnt put us outside of the top 10 though...
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on August 01, 2016, 01:42:40 PM: Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on August 01, 2016, 01:32:34 PM
I'm starting to get a bit worried but I'm not at full-on panic stage at the moment. We'll have played 5 league games if we wait until the transfer deadline to get new players in. And until then, RDM would have to be a really good manager to get a bounce out of some of the dead cats we still have in the squad. Tony did say £50m, is that right?
No.He said between 20 and 50mil.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on August 01, 2016, 01:43:56 PM: Quote from: Ron Manager on August 01, 2016, 01:42:40 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on August 01, 2016, 01:32:34 PM
I'm starting to get a bit worried but I'm not at full-on panic stage at the moment. We'll have played 5 league games if we wait until the transfer deadline to get new players in. And until then, RDM would have to be a really good manager to get a bounce out of some of the dead cats we still have in the squad. Tony did say £50m, is that right?
No.He said between 20 and 50mil.

and even then only what the manager asks for.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 01, 2016, 01:47:00 PM: Depending how RDM viewed the squad and whether he could 're-use' any of last seasons dross. I still think making us more solid is the way to go, if Baker is going to play a large number of games next season we might as well throw the towel in now, and certainly upgrades on Bacuna and Westwood would be most welcome.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on August 01, 2016, 01:51:52 PM: Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on August 01, 2016, 01:43:56 PM
Quote from: Ron Manager on August 01, 2016, 01:42:40 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on August 01, 2016, 01:32:34 PM
I'm starting to get a bit worried but I'm not at full-on panic stage at the moment. We'll have played 5 league games if we wait until the transfer deadline to get new players in. And until then, RDM would have to be a really good manager to get a bounce out of some of the dead cats we still have in the squad. Tony did say £50m, is that right?
No.He said between 20 and 50mil.

and even then only what the manager asks for.

Apart from Wenger, I can't think of a manager who has asked for less money than has been set aside for new players.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on August 01, 2016, 01:55:27 PM: Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on August 01, 2016, 01:51:52 PM
Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on August 01, 2016, 01:43:56 PM
Quote from: Ron Manager on August 01, 2016, 01:42:40 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on August 01, 2016, 01:32:34 PM
I'm starting to get a bit worried but I'm not at full-on panic stage at the moment. We'll have played 5 league games if we wait until the transfer deadline to get new players in. And until then, RDM would have to be a really good manager to get a bounce out of some of the dead cats we still have in the squad. Tony did say £50m, is that right?
No.He said between 20 and 50mil.

and even then only what the manager asks for.

Apart from Wenger, I can't think of a manager who has asked for less money than has been set aside for new players.

O'Neill in his first few years here, allegedly.

At least he made up for lost time though.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on August 01, 2016, 01:57:24 PM: Quote from: Ads on August 01, 2016, 01:12:35 PM
The time to answer that question will be 31st August.
Be interesting to see what standard of player arrives at the club by that date. Don't expect any well regarded talent RDM will certainly earn his corn in this window!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on August 01, 2016, 02:01:13 PM: Quote from: A Northern Soul on May 11, 2016, 11:01:02 PM
Lewis Kinsella has gone - apologies if posted elsewhere, been a long day and haven't the energy to trawl too far!

Kinsella has signed for Colchester

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36925253
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 01, 2016, 02:02:01 PM: From the office of The Doc responding to the views of Gollum

Quote
A failed player, failed manager and now f***ed pundit. Don't bother reading at all!

I completely agree but he needs to show it too in action between now and the end of the window. Don't let these pricks make a fool of your words Tone.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 01, 2016, 02:06:32 PM: That is a tweet he definitely shouldn't have done in my opinion. As much as I think Holloway is a tool,, our owner should not be saying things like that.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 01, 2016, 02:08:56 PM: There is certainly that Mr Shin even if we agree with it
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on August 01, 2016, 02:10:56 PM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 01, 2016, 02:06:32 PM
That is a tweet he definitely shouldn't have done in my opinion. As much as I think Holloway is a tool,, our owner should not be saying things like that.

Yep, it's the sort of thing I'd expect Sullivan, Gold or some other thin-skinned owner to come out with. What was it Krulak said about pigs in mud?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on August 01, 2016, 02:12:07 PM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 01, 2016, 02:06:32 PM
That is a tweet e definitely shouldn't have done in my opinion. As much as I think Holloway is a tool,, our owner should not be saying things like that.
This is the owner of our football club.His wife needs to tell him to get off twitter with immediate effect!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: john e on August 01, 2016, 02:15:09 PM: I think he's off his head,
but it made me laugh, the balls of it, he don't give a shit what he says does he
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: eamonn on August 01, 2016, 02:16:18 PM: Xia's feisty, inn'e ?!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on August 01, 2016, 02:16:49 PM: I've just arrived at this thread on page 56 and I realise that now we're up to page 274. Can someone summarise the previous 218 pages please?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 01, 2016, 02:19:00 PM: Quote from: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on August 01, 2016, 02:16:49 PM
I've just arrived at this thread on page 56 and I realise that now we're up to page 274. Can someone summarise the previous 218 pages please?

No. You have to read them all. There will be a test later.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 01, 2016, 02:25:22 PM: basically, we have got a new owner, manager, coaches, board three new players and we are shit. Still.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Mossie Hennebry on August 01, 2016, 02:48:06 PM: Quote from: mr underhill on August 01, 2016, 02:25:22 PM
basically, we have got a new owner, manager, coaches, board three new players and we are shit. Still.

I'm trying to be upbeat, but I have a feeling that you are right. The playing staff have been affected mentally by our demise and we need a break from them, and them from us. But, they are still here, lingering like a noxious vapour, with their poisonous attitude. We can't expect the players that got us into this mess last year to get us out of it this year. It's a shambles.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: MoetVillan on August 01, 2016, 02:50:51 PM: If you read carefully you will see that somewhere there is an argument for us finishing in any of the 24 available positions at the end of the season in the Championship.

And the theme running though is meet the new boss, same as the old boss
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 01, 2016, 03:24:45 PM: and we won't get fooled again.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mattjpa on August 01, 2016, 03:33:54 PM: where have Lescott, Richards and Gabby gone? I think Gabby may be injured maybe?
Title: nolan, big sam, villa midfield
Post by: trevor fisher on August 01, 2016, 03:52:52 PM: If Gana goes this week, who would be want in? For me, its a Kevin Nolan type player. Big Sam signed him three times, and the last time when he got Nolan to drop into the Championship for West Ham was a masterstroke. Nolan transformed their mid field and got the Hammer promoted, and they never looked back. WE need that kind of player. Nothing on Saturday in Villa midfield suggested the team could drive forward and score goals from midfield. Does Roberto know someone who could do it like Big Sam did with Nolan? The new England manager is known for his man management skills. ROberto needs to match him
Title: Re: nolan, big sam, villa midfield
Post by: Hookeysmith on August 01, 2016, 03:57:10 PM: Gareth Barry would be my talisman
Title: Re: nolan, big sam, villa midfield
Post by: Des Little on August 01, 2016, 04:02:01 PM: I'd take Barry all day long.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Hookeysmith on August 01, 2016, 04:02:11 PM: And add to the missing list

Traore, Kozak , Lyden , Toner, Russian, Bunn, Veretout
Title: Re: nolan, big sam, villa midfield
Post by: AGRIPPA on August 01, 2016, 04:04:31 PM: I doubt that Barry will be first choice at Everton this season and he may just jump at the chance to return... I for one would love to see him back for a couple of years
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 01, 2016, 04:33:23 PM: Quote from: mattjpa on August 01, 2016, 03:33:54 PM
where have Lescott, Richards and Gabby gone? I think Gabby may be injured maybe?

I'd put the three in a blender and sell the product as fertiliser if we can't sell them by normal methods.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 01, 2016, 04:43:33 PM: and brand as Super Guano
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Mossie Hennebry on August 01, 2016, 05:00:03 PM: Quote from: Hookeysmith on August 01, 2016, 04:02:11 PM
And add to the missing list

Traore, Kozak , Lyden , Toner, Russian, Bunn, Veretout
What's wrong with Toner?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: curiousorange on August 01, 2016, 05:26:14 PM: Quote from: Mossie Hennebry on August 01, 2016, 05:00:03 PM
Quote from: Hookeysmith on August 01, 2016, 04:02:11 PM
And add to the missing list

Traore, Kozak , Lyden , Toner, Russian, Bunn, Veretout
What's wrong with Toner?

He never gets a run out.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: eric woolban woolban on August 01, 2016, 05:51:49 PM: Quote from: Mossie Hennebry on August 01, 2016, 05:00:03 PM
Quote from: Hookeysmith on August 01, 2016, 04:02:11 PM
And add to the missing list

Traore, Kozak , Lyden , Toner, Russian, Bunn, Veretout
What's wrong with Toner?

Always has to be refilled.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: john e on August 01, 2016, 05:57:27 PM: IncogAVFC saying we have got Ross McCormack
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 01, 2016, 05:58:16 PM: Quote from: john e on August 01, 2016, 05:57:27 PM
IncogAVFC saying we have got Ross McCormack

Expect to see him in a Norwich shirt shortly then
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: john e on August 01, 2016, 06:11:44 PM: Quote from: VinnieChase84 on August 01, 2016, 05:58:16 PM
Quote from: john e on August 01, 2016, 05:57:27 PM
IncogAVFC saying we have got Ross McCormack

Expect to see him in a Norwich shirt shortly then

Is he that bad, I thought he was one of the better twiiteres
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 01, 2016, 06:13:42 PM: Quote from: john e on August 01, 2016, 06:11:44 PM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on August 01, 2016, 05:58:16 PM
Quote from: john e on August 01, 2016, 05:57:27 PM
IncogAVFC saying we have got Ross McCormack

Expect to see him in a Norwich shirt shortly then

Is he that bad, I thought he was one of the better twiiteres

He gets the odd thing but would say it's firmly 90/10 bollocks v reality. On this occasion I do hope his comment falls into the 10%
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villafirst on August 01, 2016, 06:17:11 PM: Another day gone, and no signings. Dr Xia seems more pre-occupied with Twitter!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on August 01, 2016, 06:29:53 PM: Quote from: Villafirst on August 01, 2016, 06:17:11 PM
Another day gone, and no signings. Dr Xia seems more pre-occupied with Twitter!

No signings? What, no signings at all?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: john e on August 01, 2016, 06:31:19 PM: Quote from: VinnieChase84 on August 01, 2016, 06:13:42 PM
Quote from: john e on August 01, 2016, 06:11:44 PM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on August 01, 2016, 05:58:16 PM
Quote from: john e on August 01, 2016, 05:57:27 PM
IncogAVFC saying we have got Ross McCormack

Expect to see him in a Norwich shirt shortly then

Is he that bad, I thought he was one of the better twiiteres

He gets the odd thing but would say it's firmly 90/10 bollocks v reality. On this occasion I do hope his comment falls into the 10%

Probably not coming then
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 01, 2016, 06:35:06 PM: Incog is getting torched on Twitter. He doesn't get much right.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villafirst on August 01, 2016, 06:39:28 PM: Quote from: Clampy on August 01, 2016, 06:29:53 PM
Quote from: Villafirst on August 01, 2016, 06:17:11 PM
Another day gone, and no signings. Dr Xia seems more pre-occupied with Twitter!

No signings? What, no signings at all?
Quote from: Clampy on August 01, 2016, 06:29:53 PM
Quote from: Villafirst on August 01, 2016, 06:17:11 PM
Another day gone, and no signings. Dr Xia seems more pre-occupied with Twitter!

No signings? What, no signings at all?

How clever. We'll see who's proved right.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 01, 2016, 06:40:15 PM: He's gone with a joke tweet from a Norwich fan and used it as fact. Sadly, because we need a striker who scores goals, it won't be true. This takeover head been pretty underwhelming in terms of actually building the squad up. We are a week from the first game and have signed 2 kids and a good captain. Worrying times.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on August 01, 2016, 06:42:52 PM: Quote from: Villafirst on August 01, 2016, 06:39:28 PM
Quote from: Clampy on August 01, 2016, 06:29:53 PM
Quote from: Villafirst on August 01, 2016, 06:17:11 PM
Another day gone, and no signings. Dr Xia seems more pre-occupied with Twitter!

No signings? What, no signings at all?
Quote from: Clampy on August 01, 2016, 06:29:53 PM
Quote from: Villafirst on August 01, 2016, 06:17:11 PM
Another day gone, and no signings. Dr Xia seems more pre-occupied with Twitter!

No signings? What, no signings at all?

How clever. We'll see who's proved right.

It almost sounds like you want to be, which is a bit sad.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Mister E on August 01, 2016, 07:11:07 PM: I want to see Gestede gone and a decent striker in, but I'm not a Mccormack fan
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 01, 2016, 07:17:25 PM: Quote from: Villafirst on August 01, 2016, 06:17:11 PM
Another day gone, and no signings. Dr Xia seems more pre-occupied with Twitter!

Yep I'm sure the one minute it took to post that really damaged our plans.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 01, 2016, 07:18:59 PM: McCormack looks more the second striker no? I'm happy w ayew there

I want a proper, mobile, goalscoring number 9. Plus some genuine creativity in a wide or central area.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 01, 2016, 07:23:08 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on August 01, 2016, 06:40:15 PM
He's gone with a joke tweet from a Norwich fan and used it as fact. Sadly, because we need a striker who scores goals, it won't be true. This takeover head been pretty underwhelming in terms of actually building the squad up. We are a week from the first game and have signed 2 kids and a good captain. Worrying times.

I'm not too worried yet. If what the Dr has suggested is true we're waiting for better quality players to become available. I'd rather take our time if it's to ensure we get the right players.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villafirst on August 01, 2016, 07:24:08 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 01, 2016, 07:17:25 PM
Quote from: Villafirst on August 01, 2016, 06:17:11 PM
Another day gone, and no signings. Dr Xia seems more pre-occupied with Twitter!

Yep I'm sure the one minute it took to post that really damaged our plans.

Tut tut, how sarcastic. You're such a genius.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Rudy65 on August 01, 2016, 07:28:11 PM: Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on August 01, 2016, 02:10:56 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 01, 2016, 02:06:32 PM
That is a tweet he definitely shouldn't have done in my opinion. As much as I think Holloway is a tool,, our owner should not be saying things like that.

Yep, it's the sort of thing I'd expect Sullivan, Gold or some other thin-skinned owner to come out with. What was it Krulak said about pigs in mud?

If the Dr is as successful as Gold and Sullivan thats fine by me. What we would give to be in West Ham's position
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 01, 2016, 07:37:54 PM: Don't want McCormack.

There's better out there, Kodja and Bamford for a start.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on August 01, 2016, 07:40:25 PM: Yeah I don't want him either. I've had my fill of one paced forwards.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 01, 2016, 07:40:48 PM: Agree on both Soccer. Getting those two plus a couple of lands would help no end.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on August 01, 2016, 07:55:38 PM: Quote from: SoccerHQ on August 01, 2016, 07:37:54 PM
Don't want McCormack.

There's better out there, Kodja and Bamford for a start.

Whilst (a) we're not going to get him (b) i'd be more than happy if we did at this stage

Or either of the other two mentioned

What happened to the tenuous link to Islam Slimani from about 3 weeks ago? that did whet my appetite
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 01, 2016, 07:56:44 PM: Newcastle have met Clark's release clause in his contract
Weird as RDM said two days ago that no player has one except Gana?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on August 01, 2016, 07:59:06 PM: I know nothing about McCormack, but on the basis that both Leeds and Fulham have signed him to push them into the play offs and failed miserably, I suspect he's as much the answer as Darren Bent was for Spurs.

Even if we're talking about a year to consolidate and his goals kept us comfortable, at the prices being talked about it's stupid business of the sort that meant we were never going to get a second chance under Lerner.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on August 01, 2016, 08:12:51 PM: Quote from: VinnieChase84 on August 01, 2016, 07:56:44 PM
Newcastle have met Clark's release clause in his contract
Weird as RDM said two days ago that no player has one except Gana?

I think he meant good players
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villafirst on August 01, 2016, 08:14:03 PM: Quote from: VinnieChase84 on August 01, 2016, 07:56:44 PM
Newcastle have met Clark's release clause in his contract
Weird as RDM said two days ago that no player has one except Gana?

Don't worry, we'll still have Westwood, Bacuna and Gestede come 1st September.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on August 01, 2016, 08:18:32 PM: Quote from: Villafirst on August 01, 2016, 08:14:03 PM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on August 01, 2016, 07:56:44 PM
Newcastle have met Clark's release clause in his contract
Weird as RDM said two days ago that no player has one except Gana?

Don't worry, we'll still have Westwood, Bacuna and Gestede come 1st September.

I see those 3 donkeys as a barometer of the summers business, if any of them are in the team then we haven't done enough.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: LukeJames on August 01, 2016, 08:22:04 PM: Quote from: VinnieChase84 on August 01, 2016, 07:56:44 PM
Newcastle have met Clark's release clause

Another reason for them to hate us.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: john e on August 01, 2016, 08:23:05 PM: Quote from: LukeJames on August 01, 2016, 08:22:04 PM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on August 01, 2016, 07:56:44 PM
Newcastle have met Clark's release clause

Another reason for them to hate us.

Snigger
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: LeeB on August 01, 2016, 08:28:04 PM: Quote from: john e on August 01, 2016, 08:23:05 PM
Quote from: LukeJames on August 01, 2016, 08:22:04 PM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on August 01, 2016, 07:56:44 PM
Newcastle have met Clark's release clause

Another reason for them to hate us.

Snigger

Ha ha. They've released Taylor haven't they? They must have a space for an enthusiastic but ultimately useless centre half
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: themossman on August 01, 2016, 08:28:39 PM: A barcode mate just asked if he's good. I genuinely struggled to answer that.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 01, 2016, 08:30:23 PM: Sorry where's this being reported?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Des Little on August 01, 2016, 08:30:57 PM: I hope he does his Cruyff turn again when we play them.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Richard E on August 01, 2016, 08:32:52 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 01, 2016, 08:30:23 PM
Sorry where's this being reported?

A couple of different NE based journos on Twitter. Looks reasonably kosher.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on August 01, 2016, 08:34:20 PM: Quote from: LeeB on August 01, 2016, 08:28:04 PM
Quote from: john e on August 01, 2016, 08:23:05 PM
Quote from: LukeJames on August 01, 2016, 08:22:04 PM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on August 01, 2016, 07:56:44 PM
Newcastle have met Clark's release clause

Another reason for them to hate us.

Snigger

Ha ha. They've released Taylor haven't they? They must have a space for an enthusiastic but ultimately useless centre half

To be honest I'd rather send Baker.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 01, 2016, 08:36:51 PM: Quote from: Richard E on August 01, 2016, 08:32:52 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 01, 2016, 08:30:23 PM
Sorry where's this being reported?

A couple of different NE based journos on Twitter. Looks reasonably kosher.

Good, I'm genuinely getting excited about the prospect of moving the imbecile on. And for £5m. And to Newcastle. I haven't felt this good about a departure since we infested the Albion squad with Ridgewell.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villafirst on August 01, 2016, 08:38:20 PM: Joking apart, the preparation for the start of the season in a few days time is abysmal. Still no striker on the horizon. A season of struggle is on the cards.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Gerrin on August 01, 2016, 08:38:39 PM: Quote from: Villa in Denmark on August 01, 2016, 08:34:20 PM
Quote from: LeeB on August 01, 2016, 08:28:04 PM
Quote from: john e on August 01, 2016, 08:23:05 PM
Quote from: LukeJames on August 01, 2016, 08:22:04 PM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on August 01, 2016, 07:56:44 PM
Newcastle have met Clark's release clause

Another reason for them to hate us.

Snigger

Ha ha. They've released Taylor haven't they? They must have a space for an enthusiastic but ultimately useless centre half

To be honest I'd rather send Baker.

I thought Baker was the more solid looking of the 2 when they were coming though and will certainly be ok in the Championship.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 01, 2016, 08:39:31 PM: If Clark goes I'd hope we've got another centre half coming in.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: maidstonevillain on August 01, 2016, 08:43:48 PM: Quote from: VinnieChase84 on August 01, 2016, 07:56:44 PM
Newcastle have met Clark's release clause in his contract
Weird as RDM said two days ago that no player has one except Gana?

Clark had a release clause!!!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Walmley_Villa on August 01, 2016, 08:44:22 PM: Why the big clamour for Bamford, I don't get it...no goals in two loan spells last season.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 01, 2016, 08:44:52 PM: Quote from: Gerrin on August 01, 2016, 08:38:39 PM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on August 01, 2016, 08:34:20 PM
Quote from: LeeB on August 01, 2016, 08:28:04 PM
Quote from: john e on August 01, 2016, 08:23:05 PM
Quote from: LukeJames on August 01, 2016, 08:22:04 PM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on August 01, 2016, 07:56:44 PM
Newcastle have met Clark's release clause

Another reason for them to hate us.

Snigger

Ha ha. They've released Taylor haven't they? They must have a space for an enthusiastic but ultimately useless centre half

To be honest I'd rather send Baker.

I thought Baker was the more solid looking of the 2 when they were coming though and will certainly be ok in the Championship.

It's like comparing the solidity of stool samples though really isn't it?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VillaAlways on August 01, 2016, 08:49:17 PM: Quote from: maidstonevillain on August 01, 2016, 08:43:48 PM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on August 01, 2016, 07:56:44 PM
Newcastle have met Clark's release clause in his contract
Weird as RDM said two days ago that no player has one except Gana?

Clark had a release clause!!!
£5 million apparently
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3718748/Ciaran-Clark-set-St-James-Park-Newcastle-United-meet-release-cause-Aston-Villa-defender.html
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 01, 2016, 08:49:21 PM: Quote from: Walmley_Villa on August 01, 2016, 08:44:22 PM
Why the big clamour for Bamford, I don't get it...no goals in two loan spells last season.

40 goals at championship level I think in two loan spells.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: john e on August 01, 2016, 08:51:32 PM: Clark does guarantee goals though as we and the rep of Ireland can testify
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on August 01, 2016, 08:55:12 PM: I wouldn't be overly upset if Clark went.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tony Erdington on August 01, 2016, 08:55:50 PM: wheres Okore?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on August 01, 2016, 09:00:26 PM: *please please please*
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 01, 2016, 09:01:00 PM: If Clark is going we need a centre back, right back, creative midfielder and a striker. I don't fancy relying on Okore, Baker and Elphick.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 01, 2016, 09:02:44 PM: I like Clark but it might be one of those 'a step back to take a step forward'. Lose one iffy left sided centre back and give Baker more responsibility. This should allow Okore to step up a bit. Ultimately less waste in the squad.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 01, 2016, 09:07:32 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 01, 2016, 09:01:00 PM
If Clark is going we need a centre back, right back, creative midfielder and a striker. I don't fancy relying on Okore, Baker and Elphick.

What about Toner? He looked promising towards the end of the season. Has he succumbed to the Villa injury curse or gone on loan and I've not noticed?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tony Erdington on August 01, 2016, 09:08:04 PM: Quote from: maidstonevillain on August 01, 2016, 08:43:48 PM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on August 01, 2016, 07:56:44 PM
Newcastle have met Clark's release clause in his contract
Weird as RDM said two days ago that no player has one except Gana?

Clark had a release clause!!!

quote of the day. for me
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: frank black on August 01, 2016, 09:10:39 PM: With the 7 mil for Gana, 5 mil for Clark, parachute money and the money from the doc looks like we are going to have a massive spend soon.........
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on August 01, 2016, 09:12:45 PM: I doubt anymore centre-halves will go. If Clark does go then I'd guess we'd go with Elphick, Baker, Okore, and one other. Lescott and Richards haven't been involved so far in the 'proper' friendlies - not sure if either or both are injured - but I'd be surprised if we let anymore go.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: andyh on August 01, 2016, 09:13:36 PM: So, Clark, gueye, and Sinclair all probably on their way out in the next few days.
I don't really care, but these would not be at the top of my list to get rid of.

We are still left with arses like Richards, Lescott, Agbonlahor and Bacuna.
It's only when we get rid of these tossers will we really start to move forward.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: spangley1812 on August 01, 2016, 09:16:18 PM: Quote from: andyh on August 01, 2016, 09:13:36 PM
So, Clark, gueye, and Sinclair all probably on their way out in the next few days.
I don't really care, but these would not be at the top of my list to get rid of.

We are still left with arses like Richards, Lescott, Agbonlahor and Bacuna.
It's only when we get rid of these tossers will we really start to move forward.

The 1st 3 of the players who you want rid of are probably 3 of the highest earners @ the club and who else is gonna pay them £60pw???
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 01, 2016, 09:16:52 PM: Quote from: SoccerHQ on August 01, 2016, 08:49:21 PM
Quote from: Walmley_Villa on August 01, 2016, 08:44:22 PM
Why the big clamour for Bamford, I don't get it...no goals in two loan spells last season.

40 goals at championship level I think in two loan spells.

25, not 40. He also scored 18 for Milton Keynes in Division 3.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: pooligan on August 01, 2016, 09:20:11 PM: Personally i would not be to upset to see Clark move to the barcodes. Weak and mistake prone i think five million is more than he is worth.I would also rather see young Toner given a chance .
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VillaAlways on August 01, 2016, 09:21:10 PM: I'm not bothered about Clark going but why did RDM say there were no other players with release clauses when it clearly wasn't true. Makes us look a bit foolish
I read on Twitter that Tom Fox had said in a fans meeting all last years Summer signings had clauses in their contract. I'd be amazed if Ayew didn't have one
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ting Tong Tony on August 01, 2016, 09:21:12 PM: Happy to see Clark go, he's not going to get any better, he was dreadful in the Euro too.

Makes too many unforced errors
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: eddiemunster on August 01, 2016, 09:22:55 PM: Quote from: andyh on August 01, 2016, 09:13:36 PM
So, Clark, gueye, and Sinclair all probably on their way out in the next few days.
I don't really care, but these would not be at the top of my list to get rid of.

We are still left with arses like Richards, Lescott, Agbonlahor and Bacuna.
It's only when we get rid of these tossers will we really start to move forward.

THIS !!!!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: QuintonVilla on August 01, 2016, 09:24:59 PM: Clark is absolute garbage. £5m and make Newcastle weaker, good deal.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sickbeggar on August 01, 2016, 09:25:57 PM: Think clark will turn out to be a decent buy. He didn't play well for us last season but look who he was playing with. Put it this way, I never thought clark was the big problem
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 01, 2016, 09:31:35 PM: I don't mind Clark, I can't help but feel he's one that hasn't developed as well as he should have because of our seemingly shite coaching over the last 5 years or so. That said I won't be overly fussed if he goes, apart from being a bit disappointed/sad an academy player leaves after 15 years at the club.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 01, 2016, 09:35:40 PM: Quote from: cdbullyweefan on August 01, 2016, 09:07:32 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 01, 2016, 09:01:00 PM
If Clark is going we need a centre back, right back, creative midfielder and a striker. I don't fancy relying on Okore, Baker and Elphick.

What about Toner? He looked promising towards the end of the season. Has he succumbed to the Villa injury curse or gone on loan and I've not noticed?

Hadn't thought of him as a potential regular starter.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 01, 2016, 09:35:46 PM: Watch him turn into the Championships answer to Beckenbauer once he leaves us.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ting Tong Tony on August 01, 2016, 09:36:55 PM: I'm more concerned about us bringing in quality players, than the ones that are leaving.

Newcastle are spending big, yet despite the so far empty promises from our new owner, we haven't done much.

We've heard the twittering and the talk, time to walk the walk......

If we get off to a bad start, the fans won't hold back letting our new owner, board and management team know their not happy.

Put up or shut up!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: villadelph on August 01, 2016, 09:37:22 PM: Not bothered by him leaving at all. I just can't justify keeping a central defender that hasn't improved in years and consistently makes costly mistakes at the most inopportune times. I feel like the standard picture for an Aston Villa article is either he or baker with their face in their hands, slumped over.

He was one of the few constants in these last five years of misery. I think he might do okay at Newcastle, but I know he will never get any better here. He's a hollow leader.

Hopefully we can get rid of a few other duds.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 01, 2016, 09:38:07 PM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 01, 2016, 09:31:35 PM
I don't mind Clark, I can't help but feel he's one that hasn't developed as well as he should have because of our seemingly shite coaching over the last 5 years or so. That said I won't be overly fussed if he goes, apart from being a bit disappointed/sad an academy leaves after 15 years at the club.

What he said. With decent coaching I think he could develop into a solid premier league player.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ting Tong Tony on August 01, 2016, 09:39:00 PM: Quote from: villadelph on August 01, 2016, 09:37:22 PM
Not bothered by him leaving at all. I just can't justify keeping a central defender that hasn't improved in years and consistently makes costly mistakes at the most inopportune times. I feel like the standard picture for an Aston Villa article is either he or baker with their face in their hands, slumped over.

He was one of the few constants in these last five years of misery. I think he might do okay at Newcastle, but I know he will never get any better here. He's a hollow leader.

Hopefully we can get rid of a few other duds.

Ditto!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 01, 2016, 09:44:09 PM: Clark's not really that good at any aspect of defending.

He's not very quick, I don't think he reads the game well which is evident in the amount of time he lungs in and gets yellow cards, as we've seen against poor forwards like Anchiebe he can get outmuscled easily and he's average in the air. His passing has regressed a lot through the seasons aswell.

For me it's a good price and it's always important to balance the books if you're doing well or not as that keeps things ticking over.

Elphick will be an automatic starter and then it will be Baker/Okore depending on form/fitness. Going to be difficult to shift Richards and Lescott so one of those will still be in the mix I reckon. You can always loan in a CB aswell.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sickbeggar on August 01, 2016, 09:44:45 PM: he is/was a good solid average pro who played the majority of games for 3 seasons and kept us up. Last season he was bobbins but only managed 18 games. Harsh to blame him for the defensive catastrophe when they're is so many more deserving targets.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tony Erdington on August 01, 2016, 09:48:28 PM: Quote from: Ting Tong Tony on August 01, 2016, 09:36:55 PM
I'm more concerned about us bringing in quality players, than the ones that are leaving.

Newcastle are spending big, yet despite the so far empty promises from our new owner, we haven't done much.

We've heard the twittering and the talk, time to walk the walk......

If we get off to a bad start, the fans won't hold back letting our new owner, board and management team know their not happy.

Put up or shut up!

cant argue with that, but I am trying to wemain optimistic till atleast 5 minutes into the Scottish messi game
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: adrenachrome on August 01, 2016, 09:51:07 PM: Quote from: Clark W Griswold on August 01, 2016, 08:36:51 PM
Quote from: Richard E on August 01, 2016, 08:32:52 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 01, 2016, 08:30:23 PM
Sorry where's this being reported?

A couple of different NE based journos on Twitter. Looks reasonably kosher.

Good, I'm genuinely getting excited about the prospect of moving the imbecile on. And for £5m. And to Newcastle. I haven't felt this good about a departure since we infested the Albion squad with Ridgewell.

We sold Ridgewell to SHA, where he played for 4 years before being sold to the Stripeyfilth.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: eric woolban woolban on August 01, 2016, 09:51:13 PM: Clark is a poor man's James Tomkins and he's not great.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Rudy65 on August 01, 2016, 09:51:28 PM: Quote from: themossman on August 01, 2016, 08:28:39 PM
A barcode mate just asked if he's good. I genuinely struggled to answer that.

Tell him about the great headed goal in the euros
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 01, 2016, 09:51:36 PM: Trouble is he loses his man so often, and easily. Then in games where he is having a blinder, he will fuck up big time and cost you a goal.

if he goes, see you later. I would still like to see a centre half come in then, even if a loan, to cover across the back 4 though.

Much more concerned with getting creativity and wingers to feed an actual goalscorer.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sickbeggar on August 01, 2016, 09:53:27 PM: who the hell is our 1st choice back 4?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 01, 2016, 09:56:18 PM: Clark is gash but we need to start focusing on the incomings pretty fucking quick.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Rudy65 on August 01, 2016, 09:56:30 PM: Quote from: villadelph on August 01, 2016, 09:37:22 PM
Not bothered by him leaving at all. I just can't justify keeping a central defender that hasn't improved in years and consistently makes costly mistakes at the most inopportune times. I feel like the standard picture for an Aston Villa article is either he or baker with their face in their hands, slumped over.

He was one of the few constants in these last five years of misery. I think he might do okay at Newcastle, but I know he will never get any better here. He's a hollow leader.

Hopefully we can get rid of a few other duds.

Agree. But we need to replace him with something better. He is a marginally better Liam Ridgewell
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 01, 2016, 09:58:09 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 01, 2016, 09:56:18 PM
Clark is gash but we need to start focusing on the incomings pretty fucking quick.

Exactly. And there need to be a few!

Keep saying it but looking at the players that do really well in this league, you need pace, and we are slower than half dead fucking donkey. Short of Grealsh there is no creativity and there are no goals in the midfield.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sickbeggar on August 01, 2016, 10:00:19 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on August 01, 2016, 09:58:09 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 01, 2016, 09:56:18 PM
Clark is gash but we need to start focusing on the incomings pretty fucking quick.

Exactly. And there need to be a few!

Keep saying it but looking at the players that do really well in this league, you need pace, and we are slower than half dead fucking donkey. Short of Grealsh there is no creativity and there are no goals in the midfield.

yep. really can't see see us being higher than 10th-6th with the current squad
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on August 01, 2016, 10:00:33 PM: Drop the dead donkey
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: adrenachrome on August 01, 2016, 10:01:08 PM: Elphick and Okore are very right footed, so Baker will be our first choice at the left birth. I think I was in a distinct minority when I argued that I would keep Baker, so I am a little suprised at the reaction to Clark's possible departure unless Kevin Toner is ready to step up.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 01, 2016, 10:01:38 PM: Quote from: UK Redsox on August 01, 2016, 10:00:33 PM
Drop the dead donkey

The old boy in that moved faster for a bit of action than most of the villa team for the ball.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tony Erdington on August 01, 2016, 10:02:32 PM: Quote from: adrenachrome on August 01, 2016, 09:51:07 PM
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on August 01, 2016, 08:36:51 PM
Quote from: Richard E on August 01, 2016, 08:32:52 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 01, 2016, 08:30:23 PM
Sorry where's this being reported?

A couple of different NE based journos on Twitter. Looks reasonably kosher.

Good, I'm genuinely getting excited about the prospect of moving the imbecile on. And for £5m. And to Newcastle. I haven't felt this good about a departure since we infested the Albion squad with Ridgewell.

We sold Ridgewell to SHA, where he played for 4 years before being sold to the Stripeyfilth.

you know that's whats missing in our team , we need more players with serious fuck off hair cuts, ridgewell had a right jelly mould on his head.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: London Villan on August 01, 2016, 10:04:45 PM: I couldn't care less about a single one of them leaving, but we need to sign players and sharpish. We are likely to start with 8 of the jokers that got us relegated.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 01, 2016, 10:05:24 PM: There is of course the possibility that Lescott and Elphick might end up being a solid pair at the back.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tony Erdington on August 01, 2016, 10:07:06 PM: I wouldn't employ lescott as a ball boy
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 01, 2016, 10:07:15 PM: Quote from: London Villan on August 01, 2016, 10:04:45 PM
I couldn't care less about a single one of them leaving, but we need to sign players and sharpish. We are likely to start with 8 of the jokers that got us relegated.

This is it.

Here we are, a few days from the start of the season, and we're looking at starting with dross of the type of Westwood, Bacuna, Cissokho, and our goalscoring options are Ayew, Gestede, Kozak and Fat Gabby.

I don't think there were many of us at the end of last season who'd have wanted to see that happen.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 01, 2016, 10:08:01 PM: We do need four or five quality players in. Hopefully the likes of Gana, Clark and Guzan going will help facilitate that.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sickbeggar on August 01, 2016, 10:09:21 PM: Quote from: London Villan on August 01, 2016, 10:04:45 PM
I couldn't care less about a single one of them leaving, but we need to sign players and sharpish. We are likely to start with 8 of the jokers that got us relegated.

aye, but SGT had the same and we got back up. The key is the right players being bought and intigrating into the existing players and i'm not sure we've had much of that yet
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: manic-road on August 01, 2016, 10:14:20 PM: So a possible £5m for Clark, that would be good business for us as I don't think he has progressed at all in the past few seasons and looked garbage at times in the Euro's as well as for the Villa. I just hope the players we bring in are big upgrades on what we have at the moment.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on August 01, 2016, 10:20:42 PM: Mo mo Diame would be ace at 4.5 should offer as he will add drive and goals to midfield. My understanding of release clauses means that a club can speak to player and his representatives if a bid matches at the price of releases clauses. I categorically can say that it doesn't not mean a player moves to the bidding club it just means a club can't reject the bid. Instance of 4.5 million release clause then villa should offer. Similarly I think Clark won't be intetrested on Newcastle as Robbie recently said he's a villa boy maybe pre empting Newcastle bid- partly done to unsettle us. Villa will be up there end of season and I see Newcastle the ones imploding personally and I'll start with they lose to Fulham on Friday !
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 01, 2016, 10:25:30 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 01, 2016, 10:07:15 PM
Quote from: London Villan on August 01, 2016, 10:04:45 PM
I couldn't care less about a single one of them leaving, but we need to sign players and sharpish. We are likely to start with 8 of the jokers that got us relegated.

This is it.

Here we are, a few days from the start of the season, and we're looking at starting with dross of the type of Westwood, Bacuna, Cissokho, and our goalscoring options are Ayew, Gestede, Kozak and Fat Gabby.

I don't think there were many of us at the end of last season who'd have wanted to see that happen.

The forward options are really poor. We need 2 strikers and to let one of Gestede or Kozak go. Gabby I just think is a joke and RDM will marginalise him from the squad over time.

We should play Bennett over Cissokho, he offers nothing going forward and is not defensively good enough to justify keeping.

Westwood needs to go but then we need at least AN other holding midfielder.

We need to get bloody buying.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Chris Jameson on August 01, 2016, 10:26:52 PM: We should bid more than Newcastle and get in a bidding war for Diame.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on August 01, 2016, 10:27:04 PM: Also Clark may have at times struggled against top quality strikers in the premier league -who wouldn't ! He's now down a league and he would be fine at championship level as there are few world class strikers hes up against . Also have to point out that he has played against many top top strikers and also international level his expereince is very useful and will be retained if seemed correct on what rdm said. Newcastle see his worth and are trying to unsettle rivals really a bid should be put in for a few of there playwrs! The nerve of them!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on August 01, 2016, 10:27:53 PM: Quote from: Chris Jameson on August 01, 2016, 10:26:52 PM
We should bid more than Newcastle and get in a bidding war for Diame.

Don't need to bid more just match release clause trust rdm and he can come to villa !
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tony Erdington on August 01, 2016, 10:31:04 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on August 01, 2016, 10:25:30 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 01, 2016, 10:07:15 PM
Quote from: London Villan on August 01, 2016, 10:04:45 PM
I couldn't care less about a single one of them leaving, but we need to sign players and sharpish. We are likely to start with 8 of the jokers that got us relegated.

This is it.

Here we are, a few days from the start of the season, and we're looking at starting with dross of the type of Westwood, Bacuna, Cissokho, and our goalscoring options are Ayew, Gestede, Kozak and Fat Gabby.

I don't think there were many of us at the end of last season who'd have wanted to see that happen.

The forward options are really poor. We need 2 strikers and to let one of Gestede or Kozak go. Gabby I just think is a joke and RDM will marginalise him from the squad over time.

We should play Bennett over Cissokho, he offers nothing going forward and is not defensively good enough to justify keeping.

Westwood needs to go but then we need at least AN other holding midfielder.

We need to get bloody buying.

100%
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tony Erdington on August 01, 2016, 10:32:42 PM: Quote from: footyskillz on August 01, 2016, 10:27:04 PM
Also Clark may have at times struggled against top quality strikers in the premier league -who wouldn't ! He's now down a league and he would be fine at championship level as there are few world class strikers hes up against . Also have to point out that he has played against many top top strikers and also international level his expereince is very useful and will be retained if seemed correct on what rdm said. Newcastle see his worth and are trying to unsettle rivals really a bid should be put in for a few of there playwrs! The nerve of them!

Sorry skillz, i'll take the £5million, and don't give them a receipt
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Lastfootstamper on August 01, 2016, 10:37:57 PM: Quote from: sickbeggar on August 01, 2016, 10:09:21 PM
Quote from: London Villan on August 01, 2016, 10:04:45 PM
I couldn't care less about a single one of them leaving, but we need to sign players and sharpish. We are likely to start with 8 of the jokers that got us relegated.

aye, but SGT had the same and we got back up. The key is the right players being bought and intigrating into the existing players and i'm not sure we've had much of that yet

Difficult one. SGT wasn't hampered by a window, he could afford to make a not-so-good buy with the knowledge that if it didn't work out, he could buy again at any time. Ellis-permitting, obviously.

Although I do think Our Tone has similar "back first time" ambitions. There's a lot of work for the board, RDM, all the staff to do before September rolls around simply to make sure that what we've got then, new and existing, will get us to January still being thereabouts to where we need to be.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on August 01, 2016, 10:40:47 PM: We have such an average squad, other than a couple of players, it really doesn't matter who leaves us. IMO, Clark and Gueye at 12.2 mill is decent business. Sinclair will also go and I think that Lescott will be given a free after some negotiation. Hugely disappointing that we are not seemingly ready for the campaign though and that the barcodes are stealing a march, even if they are buying Clark. Diame is a very good signing for them though, one I would have liked. A month to go but we need to get on with it. I agree with others that it is almost soul destroying seeing these wasters still at our club, not least seeing them actually starting games as a potential first choice.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on August 01, 2016, 10:41:58 PM: Five million for Clanger Clark? Trololololololol
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: David_Nab on August 01, 2016, 10:46:58 PM: Clark a defender who made victor Anichabie look like an inform Benteke , he is almost 27 but still headless
chicken in general .
£5mil is ok money can we get someone in for similar amount though ..
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 01, 2016, 10:50:01 PM: Quote from: Chris Jameson on August 01, 2016, 10:26:52 PM
We should bid more than Newcastle and get in a bidding war for Diame.

We should bid more than Newcastle and get in a bidding war for Clark.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ivo Stas on August 01, 2016, 10:54:06 PM: Just trying to understand... we are paying Newcastle £5m to take Clark, right..?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: olaftab on August 01, 2016, 10:54:11 PM: Quote from: David_Nab on August 01, 2016, 10:46:58 PM
Clark a defender who made victor Anichabie look like an inform Benteke , he is almost 27 but still headless
chicken in general .
£5mil is ok money can we get someone in for similar amount though ..
He is Steven Taylor mk2.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 01, 2016, 10:56:48 PM: This is the thing for me. Newcastle have quietly put together a team perfectly capable of walking the championship all recognisable signings and all capable of mucking in at this level.

We have bought in three signings. One had played 13 times for Reading, one captained X Bournemouth but has hardly played for a season and one who has no experience of England. Meanwhile as a lot feared we have the same old dross lurking round the club like a terrible stench. I remember RDM saying he wanted his squad more or less in place by the first week of August. Well if this is it then we really are bang in trouble this season. Clark as some have said isn't that good but he's well down a list of ones I would sell first. I accept we are powerless to stop someone's release clause being activated but a sign of our ambition will become clearer if he decide to bail now.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ivo Stas on August 01, 2016, 10:57:57 PM: Of last year's rabble, I only want to keep Ayew, Grealish, Amavi and Traore. And I'm not even certain about Grealish and Traore. The quicker the rest go the better. £13m for Gana and Clark? Result.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on August 01, 2016, 10:59:57 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 01, 2016, 10:07:15 PM
Quote from: London Villan on August 01, 2016, 10:04:45 PM
I couldn't care less about a single one of them leaving, but we need to sign players and sharpish. We are likely to start with 8 of the jokers that got us relegated.

This is it.

Here we are, a few days from the start of the season, and we're looking at starting with dross of the type of Westwood, Bacuna, Cissokho, and our goalscoring options are Ayew, Gestede, Kozak and Fat Gabby.

I don't think there were many of us at the end of last season who'd have wanted to see that happen.

It looks more and more like we are going to have to be patient. Hope I'm wrong, but I wouldn't be surprised if we now don't see anyone cone in until the end of the window.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: olaftab on August 01, 2016, 11:03:00 PM: Quote from: SoccerHQ on August 01, 2016, 09:44:09 PM
Clark's not really that good at any aspect of defending.
OK but other than that he is ok.😄
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: eamonn on August 02, 2016, 01:43:08 AM: A bit sad to read all the criticism of Clark. The last one standing of the kids of '08 (Marc, Bananaman and the Fonz) and despite his rashness/clangers at times, he's far better than Baker and more than good enough for the Ch'ship.

Great attitude and been here most of his life, I bet it will be a wrench for him to leave. He cares a lot more about us than most of the useless fuckers we have.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 02, 2016, 01:49:42 AM: Sadly Clark has proved that he is not quite good enough.
However I have lots more time and respect for him than most of the rest of this squad.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on August 02, 2016, 03:41:49 AM: Clark is no good but he's still better than Edward Munster (Baker) who's slow, terrible on the ball, rash and injury prone.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt C on August 02, 2016, 04:47:08 AM: No gripe against Clark but I fear he's another one who has suffered from year after year of struggle - he knows nothing other than failure at Villa and perhaps it's time for a change - for him and us.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 02, 2016, 05:17:34 AM: We saw at the euro's what Clark has become and it's a reflection of his lack of progress as much as his liability as a footballer. Newcastle can have him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 02, 2016, 05:40:22 AM: a lot of egg is going to end up on two faces unless we see some very positive incomings soon.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 02, 2016, 06:19:50 AM: A shame. I really wanted him to do well

Not too upset about losing the player. But given its about 24 hours since we were told he's staying, it does make some of the other promises sound a little hollow

I still think he's better than baker just ok the basis that he doesn't have a 10 minute spell every game where he completely loses his head
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on August 02, 2016, 06:30:09 AM: Clark for £5m yes please. He's had more bad games then good.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 02, 2016, 06:32:01 AM: On another note, there's been a couple of noises that we're waiting to see who's surplus to requirements at premier league clubs. In terms of strikers, not sure who that suggests? Presumably not Hernandez as hull aren't going to sign a better player. Bamford is another option - tho he's definitely not going to be first choice. I guess he could go to a premier league team and might be holding out for that

Maybe: James Wilson, Aruna Kone, lambert, Rhodes, Nugent (as a backup). Not enthusiastic about any of them (Kone maybe but he's always injured)

Or much more ambitiously: Wilson or Afobe from Bournemouth, Loic Remy, Austin, wickham, Ings. Can't see why they'd want to come though

Jay Rodriguez??

In terms of a creative player, I wonder about:

Sako from palace (the ex wolves player), Carroll or Pritchard from Spurs, loftus cheek (loan), demarai gray, gnabry.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: TheTimVilla on August 02, 2016, 06:47:52 AM: I guess I am alone in wanting Clark to stay then. I'd play him as a holding midfielder, alongside Tshibola. He had a good run in midfield when he first broke in to the side, scored some good goals (Arsenal at home springs to mind). He's never pissed and moaned in the press and certainly shouldn't be out the door before defenders like Lescott and Richards.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on August 02, 2016, 06:58:53 AM: I get the impression from RDM's comments that the likes of Kodjia and Bamford are secondary targets to the Premier League players that we're after.

Hopefully when some more business is done in the top flight we can see things pick up.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 02, 2016, 07:09:56 AM: it's precisely that strategy that worries me . No PL player worth his salt is going to actively want to join us after last season's horror show, and the preceeding four seasons of struggle. FFS if Bristol City can unearth a 20 goals a season player who has no association with the english leagues why can't we? I thought one of the USP's of RDM's appointment was his extensive network of contacts and influence.There is no evidence of that at the moment.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on August 02, 2016, 07:14:27 AM: Quote from: TheTimVilla on August 02, 2016, 06:47:52 AM
I guess I am alone in wanting Clark to stay then. I'd play him as a holding midfielder, alongside Tshibola. He had a good run in midfield when he first broke in to the side, scored some good goals (Arsenal at home springs to mind). He's never pissed and moaned in the press and certainly shouldn't be out the door before defenders like Lescott and Richards.

Problem is he still isn't good enough and no-one is in for the others
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on August 02, 2016, 07:19:33 AM: Quote from: mr underhill on August 02, 2016, 07:09:56 AM
it's precisely that strategy that worries me . No PL player worth his salt is going to actively want to join us after last season's horror show, and the preceeding four seasons of struggle. FFS if Bristol City can unearth a 20 goals a season player who has no association with the english leagues why can't we? I thought one of the USP's of RDM's appointment was his extensive network of contacts and influence.There is no evidence of that at the moment.

Let's give it time shall we? There's still another 4 weeks of the window to go and as for no premiership players wanting to join us, Elphick was happy to when he could have signed another contract at Bournemouth and sat on their bench. I would have liked more players in sooner as well but sometimes, it's not always possible.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 02, 2016, 07:39:10 AM: The worry is we just don't have enough goals in us. I reckon with the starting 11 last week 45 ish is optimistic. We need 2 or 3 forward options asap. Agree on the Kodjia comment. RDM you would think would have someone up his sleeve or indeed Clarke would. Newcastle buying Ritchie was a masterstroke. Loads of goals and assists in the Championship. Known quality. No one in our side gives that confidence.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Chris Smith on August 02, 2016, 07:42:55 AM: Quote from: ozzjim on August 02, 2016, 07:39:10 AM
The worry is we just don't have enough goals in us. I reckon with the starting 11 last week 45 ish is optimistic. We need 2 or 3 forward options asap. Agree on the Kodjia comment. RDM you would think would have someone up his sleeve or indeed Clarke would. Newcastle buying Ritchie was a masterstroke. Loads of goals and assists in the Championship. Known quality. No one in our side gives that confidence.

If they haven't got realistic targets lined up then they are complete idiots. I don't think they are idiots.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on August 02, 2016, 07:57:50 AM: They certainly are not idiots Chris but the impression of lack of urgency can be as damaging as actual lack of urgency. All well and good to seek reassurance from the window remaining open but if we get a couple of 15/16 style pastings before new players arrive the bad start could do long term damage. Football is merciless. Time is a luxury no team can afford.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: old man villa fan on August 02, 2016, 08:05:17 AM: It would appear that they have players in mind and with 4 weeks to go to the transfer window closing, there is quite a lot of time. If RDM is no closer to bringing in the players he wants in 2 weeks, he will need to review his plans and look for possible alternatives. He cannot afford to go into the final week without his main targets signed up.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 02, 2016, 08:06:53 AM: I don't think we should conflate lack of happening with a lack of urgency from Villa. I am pretty sure RDM and Dr Xia will be as anxious as the rest of us to get the transfers done, but ultimately are being hampered by the clubs we are trying to buy off. I would far rather we get choice no.1 in two weeks time, than choice no. 3 two weeks ago. I have much more confidence this season than if we were in the position with Lerner in charge.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 02, 2016, 08:41:20 AM: £4.5m for Mo Diame? I'd definitely have a piece of that pie
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on August 02, 2016, 08:52:56 AM: Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on August 02, 2016, 08:06:53 AM
I don't think we should conflate lack of happening with a lack of urgency from Villa. I am pretty sure RDM and Dr Xia will be as anxious as the rest of us to get the transfers done, but ultimately are being hampered by the clubs we are trying to buy off. I would far rather we get choice no.1 in two weeks time, than choice no. 3 two weeks ago. I have much more confidence this season than if we were in the position with Lerner in charge.

That's it for me as well. It's not always as easy as just buying the player we want, the selling club could be holding up the deal/s for whatever reason. I disagree about the impression of lack of urgency as well. We've already got three in and we're trying to shift players out. I think a bit of trust and more importantly patience is needed.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: robbo1874 on August 02, 2016, 08:55:43 AM: Couple of people at work mentioned Amavi going to Liverpool today, as they'd met his release clause. I've seen nothing on this. Has anybody else and does anyone know what it is- the value of his release clause?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: malckennedy on August 02, 2016, 09:03:32 AM: Quote from: robbo1874 on August 02, 2016, 08:55:43 AM
Couple of people at work mentioned Amavi going to Liverpool today, as they'd met his release clause. I've seen nothing on this. Has anybody else and does anyone know what it is- the value of his release clause?
According to RDM there isn't one. He said only Gana had one.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: OCD on August 02, 2016, 09:06:26 AM: Quote from: malckennedy on August 02, 2016, 09:03:32 AM
Quote from: robbo1874 on August 02, 2016, 08:55:43 AM
Couple of people at work mentioned Amavi going to Liverpool today, as they'd met his release clause. I've seen nothing on this. Has anybody else and does anyone know what it is- the value of his release clause?
According to RDM there isn't one. He said only Gana had one.

Clark obviously has one.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 02, 2016, 09:13:51 AM: Quote from: OCD on August 02, 2016, 09:06:26 AM
Clark obviously has one.

I presume he meant players he was arsed about keeping, like Ayew, Grealish and Amavi. I doubt Clark is on that list.

Hopefully Richards, Lescott, Vertout and Agbonlahor all have nice temptingly low clauses.

As for Clark - meh. I think he will be solid enough at Championship level, but so are 50 other players we could buy in for less than £5m. I would bite Newcastles hand off at that fee.

Ho Ayew and Grealish don't have clauses
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: old man villa fan on August 02, 2016, 09:29:42 AM: I think we need to understand that we are a Championship club and therefore less attractive to players than we used to be. We may have money but convincing the right type of players to come here is a different matter.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sid1964 on August 02, 2016, 09:33:43 AM: I am sure that every player who has taken a pay cut, has a buy out clause in there contracts

Hopefully some of them were BOGOF!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on August 02, 2016, 09:40:56 AM: The way most villa fans are lately if we signed 4 players today we'd be panic buying
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Duncan Shaw on August 02, 2016, 09:47:11 AM: Quote from: Matt Collins on August 02, 2016, 08:41:20 AM
£4.5m for Mo Diame? I'd definitely have a piece of that pie
Yes I was reading an article in the I paper this morning about Newcastle's business, very impressive actually and done at a pretty good net price, as they had a few they could get good money for. Makes the Clark thing more bewildering as to why they would want to sully that good work!!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 02, 2016, 09:52:31 AM: I think that De Matteo has been assessing the squad for a while, which is fair enough, we are now looking to off load some, as you'd expect, it can be a slow process, as you'd expect and we are not willing to bring any more players in until the squad numbers and wages are reduced, which is understandable. We have bought 3 in so far which is fairly standard by this time anyway. No panic yet. If we get to Sept 1st or 2nd or whatever it is with exactly the same squad as we have now I might question whether they've done a very good job sorting the squad out, but even at that stage it would be too early to be questioning where the money is.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on August 02, 2016, 09:54:54 AM: Quote from: mr underhill on August 02, 2016, 07:09:56 AM
it's precisely that strategy that worries me . No PL player worth his salt is going to actively want to join us after last season's horror show, and the preceeding four seasons of struggle. FFS if Bristol City can unearth a 20 goals a season player who has no association with the english leagues why can't we? I thought one of the USP's of RDM's appointment was his extensive network of contacts and influence.There is no evidence of that at the moment.

Elphick isn't worth his salt?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 02, 2016, 09:57:57 AM: didn't look hugely comfortable on Saturday. You have to be realistic about this, we have been in decline for years so it's not unreasonable to assume really top quality PL players won't have us at the top of their wish list. If we are waiting on PL players to make up their minds I think that is a risky strategy.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on August 02, 2016, 10:03:13 AM: I am comfortable that I am being realistic thanks.

I don't believe we're shopping in the same market as Chelsea or Man City.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Jim Shoes on August 02, 2016, 10:07:51 AM: I'm hoping that RDM can get at least a decent forward in before Sunday but I know it's not enough.

I still agree, at least in part with what Hollaway said as I think we are in for a difficult season. No matter what Dr Xia writes on twitter I think he's over estimating the manager's abilities because imho I don't think SAF could make a team out of this squad, even at this level.

A mate of mine once said "you can't polish a turd....but you can put glitter on it" so far I think RDM is still trying to polish it before he tries adding some glitter. Unfortunately no matter what a turds still a turd. This squad needs a major rebuild but by the time RDM works it out it might be too late.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on August 02, 2016, 10:10:16 AM: Quote from: Ads on August 02, 2016, 10:03:13 AM
I am comfortable that I am being realistic thanks.

I don't believe we're shopping in the same market as Chelsea or Man City.

Nothing wrong with thinking we can attract good players - we can. We are a big club and I don't think it would be hard to put our project across to young, promising European players.
Especially with a wedge they have never seen before.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VillaAlways on August 02, 2016, 10:10:40 AM: Having medical today according to Pat Murphy

Ciaran Clark having medical today with Newcastle after £5.1m break-clause activated. Understand @AVFCOfficial wanted him to stay.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VillaAlways on August 02, 2016, 10:15:18 AM: More from Pat...

Appears @AVFCOfficial have revived interest in Ross McCormack & Patrick Bamford after drawing blanks elsewhere.Purely exploratory thus far.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 02, 2016, 10:18:03 AM: Quote from: VillaAlways on August 02, 2016, 10:15:18 AM
More from Pat...

Appears @AVFCOfficial have revived interest in Ross McCormack & Patrick Bamford after drawing blanks elsewhere.Purely exploratory thus far.

If we got either or both of those we will be in better shape. Both will score 20 goals at this level.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on August 02, 2016, 10:29:09 AM: I think they'd score goals, but they're not as mobile as I would like.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 02, 2016, 10:34:59 AM: Best part of Clark going is the end of seeing his name misspelled
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 02, 2016, 10:36:57 AM: Quote from: Ads on August 02, 2016, 10:29:09 AM
I think they'd score goals, but they're not as mobile as I would like.

An improvement on Gestede then (Not mobile and doesn't score goals). Although in fairness I still think Gestede will be a good option to come off the bench this season.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 02, 2016, 10:37:18 AM: Quote from: VillaAlways on August 02, 2016, 10:10:40 AM
Having medical today according to Pat Murphy

Ciaran Clark having medical today with Newcastle after £5.1m break-clause activated. ***Understand @AVFCOfficial wanted him to stay.***

This is the bit that worries me, what did they see?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Duncan Shaw on August 02, 2016, 10:37:37 AM: Quote from: VillaAlways on August 02, 2016, 10:10:40 AM
Having medical today according to Pat Murphy

Ciaran Clark having medical today with Newcastle after £5.1m break-clause activated. Understand @AVFCOfficial wanted him to stay.
Can't understand why he'd have a clause. He may prosper there, but it really is best for all concerned that we part ways now, I suspect he'll never get any better here.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: DB on August 02, 2016, 10:46:27 AM: Maybe he was told he would not be 1st choice so off he goes.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 02, 2016, 10:50:57 AM: Quote from: VinnieChase84 on August 02, 2016, 10:34:59 AM
Best part of Clark going is the end of seeing his name misspelled

We've still got Steve Clark
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on August 02, 2016, 10:55:35 AM: Would suggest Lescott will stay.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on August 02, 2016, 11:16:03 AM: Quote from: Ads on August 02, 2016, 10:55:35 AM
Would suggest Lescott will stay.
Hip Hip......
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on August 02, 2016, 11:17:53 AM: I don't think he'd do too badly, as there's little pace among a lot of defences in that league.

I'd prefer Elpick and Okore to start, but I'd still rather have Lescott as my left sided option than Baker.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Des Little on August 02, 2016, 11:20:09 AM: Quote from: frankmosswasmyuncle on August 02, 2016, 11:16:03 AM
Quote from: Ads on August 02, 2016, 10:55:35 AM
Would suggest Lescott will stay.
Hip Hip......

Replacement?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on August 02, 2016, 11:24:58 AM: Quote from: Clark W Griswold on August 02, 2016, 10:37:18 AM
Quote from: VillaAlways on August 02, 2016, 10:10:40 AM
Having medical today according to Pat Murphy

Ciaran Clark having medical today with Newcastle after £5.1m break-clause activated. ***Understand @AVFCOfficial wanted him to stay.***

This is the bit that worries me, what did they see?

the rest of our defence ?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Bottom Right 89 on August 02, 2016, 11:30:51 AM: Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 02, 2016, 10:50:57 AM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on August 02, 2016, 10:34:59 AM
Best part of Clark going is the end of seeing his name misspelled

We've still got Steve Clark
Its CLARKSON - how many times TV
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Gregorys Boy on August 02, 2016, 11:32:54 AM: Of course Okore staying would be a plus for us, but not sure I want him to after his attitude last season. Seem to be one of the few who like Clark. To be fair Rafa knows a good player when he sees him. Clark and Ephrick could have made a good pairing too.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 02, 2016, 11:34:16 AM: Quote from: Gregorys Boy on August 02, 2016, 11:32:54 AM
Of course Okore staying would be a plus for us, but not sure I want him to after his attitude last season. I

...wish I could finish my sentences.

EDIT: oh, you did. Sorry.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 02, 2016, 11:35:46 AM: Quote from: Des Little on August 02, 2016, 11:20:09 AM
Quote from: frankmosswasmyuncle on August 02, 2016, 11:16:03 AM
Quote from: Ads on August 02, 2016, 10:55:35 AM
Would suggest Lescott will stay.
Hip Hip......

Replacement?

Excellent.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Gregorys Boy on August 02, 2016, 11:36:49 AM: Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 02, 2016, 11:34:16 AM
Quote from: Gregorys Boy on August 02, 2016, 11:32:54 AM
Of course Okore staying would be a plus for us, but not sure I want him to after his attitude last season. I

...wish I could finish my sentences.

EDIT: oh, you did. Sorry.

Always doing that! Loose fingers and all...
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: themossman on August 02, 2016, 11:42:45 AM: Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on August 02, 2016, 11:24:58 AM
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on August 02, 2016, 10:37:18 AM
Quote from: VillaAlways on August 02, 2016, 10:10:40 AM
Having medical today according to Pat Murphy

Ciaran Clark having medical today with Newcastle after £5.1m break-clause activated. ***Understand @AVFCOfficial wanted him to stay.***

This is the bit that worries me, what did they see?

the rest of our defence ?

I'm a bit worried by that bit for other reasons. You may rate Clark or you may not, but if he's a previously loyal, long term member of the set up with a good attitude and he can't be persuaded to stay then it suggests things aren't fixed behind the scenes and perhaps players aren't very confident of promotion.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tom221186 on August 02, 2016, 11:50:21 AM: I can see Bamford coming in on loan as a deadline day signing. Hopefully we can sign another striker before that
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Duncan Shaw on August 02, 2016, 12:00:38 PM: I think Bamford will be shipped out permanently by Chelsea this time, just can't see him ever being good enough for them.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: rob_bridge on August 02, 2016, 12:13:56 PM: Quote from: Duncan Shaw on August 02, 2016, 10:37:37 AM
Quote from: VillaAlways on August 02, 2016, 10:10:40 AM
Having medical today according to Pat Murphy

Ciaran Clark having medical today with Newcastle after £5.1m break-clause activated. Understand @AVFCOfficial wanted him to stay.
Can't understand why he'd have a clause. He may prosper there, but it really is best for all concerned that we part ways now, I suspect he'll never get any better here.
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He wouldn't get any better for us - that much is certain. There is/was a player in there somewhere he needs a break as much as we do
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: rob_bridge on August 02, 2016, 12:15:48 PM: Quote from: Duncan Shaw on August 02, 2016, 12:00:38 PM
I think Bamford will be shipped out permanently by Chelsea this time, just can't see him ever being good enough for them.

Bamford would be a good signing.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: FatSam on August 02, 2016, 12:29:29 PM: Quote from: VillaAlways on August 02, 2016, 10:10:40 AM
Ciaran Clark having medical today with Newcastle after £5.1m break-clause activated. Understand @AVFCOfficial wanted him to stay.
It seems as though we need to trim the squad in order to bring people in - not necessarily through financial necessity (although this is realistically the case), but certainly from a sustainable squad building perspective. As long as we hold on to Amavi, Grealish and Ayew, I don't really care who goes. After them I'd like to see Okore, Gana, Veretout and Traore stay, but wouldn't be too bothered either way.

Other than a good season two years ago, Clark has always seemed a bit of a liability to me. As has been said previously, I can't see him getting a lot better - certainly not with us. I don't think we'll regret letting him go like we did Cahill. More likely to be an Aaron Hughes type scenario, where he goes on to have a solid if unspectacular career towards the bottom of the Premier League. His rash challenge in the Belgium game at the Euros reminded me of many similar occasions playing for us.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: JJ-AV on August 02, 2016, 12:37:00 PM: Clark will do well at Newcastle, think the change will do him good. Benitez does well with his centre-backs.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Mossie Hennebry on August 02, 2016, 12:42:34 PM: We are on a hiding to nothing if we don't ship Lescott, Gabby, Bacuna and Richards. If it was up to me, I would pay up their contracts and give them road. The rebuilding can't start until the demolishing has been completed.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: curiousorange on August 02, 2016, 12:44:49 PM: My abiding memory of Clark is him making that rubbish uncontestedd turn against Manchester City which led directly to their winner. He's certainly a player I have no worries about seeing the back of.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 02, 2016, 12:49:35 PM: I'm hoping we're very clear on who we want and we're in the position to get them once the squad has been trimmed. Given Okore and Baker's history with injuries, if Clark goes then we need another centre half.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on August 02, 2016, 12:52:49 PM: Quote from: Mossie Hennebry on August 02, 2016, 12:42:34 PM
We are on a hiding to nothing if we don't ship Lescott, Gabby, Bacuna and Richards. If it was up to me, I would pay up their contracts and give them road. The rebuilding can't start until the demolishing has been completed.

Seriously? just work out in your head how much that would cost us. It's not Monopoly money - it's real!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KevinGage on August 02, 2016, 12:56:20 PM: He wouldn't have been on the immediate list of players I'd want to see frozen out, but a change is probably best for him and us.

There is always a bit more expected from players who come through the ranks and he might prosper in the same way that Bannan has.

For Newcastle, if they have £5 million to spend on a centre half, I'm sure they could do better. This could be Rafa recalling Clark from his time as manager of Liverpool, thinking that -as Clark was captain for us previously- he must have developed in his time away and would be a huge loss for us. He'd be mistaken.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: murgsy on August 02, 2016, 01:00:29 PM: Pat Murphy seemed to suggest the Barcodes threw silly money at Clark - no big loss in my view.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Hookeysmith on August 02, 2016, 01:09:06 PM: Quote from: murgsy on August 02, 2016, 01:00:29 PM
Pat Murphy seemed to suggest the Barcodes threw silly money at Clark - no big loss in my view.

You would have to to make anyone move up there
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 02, 2016, 01:12:19 PM: let's just offer £10m of the £12m we have generated from the Big G and Clark to Bristol city today and have Kodjia leading the line on Sunday
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on August 02, 2016, 01:14:57 PM: Quote from: JJ-AV on August 02, 2016, 12:37:00 PM
Clark will do well at Newcastle, think the change will do him good. Benitez does well with his centre-backs.

You think he's going to develop pace, position and an ability to concentrate for 90 plus minutes to avoid a clanger a game?

He's 27 and he's shit. He's not getting any better.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on August 02, 2016, 01:18:35 PM: Quote from: curiousorange on August 02, 2016, 12:44:49 PM
My abiding memory of Clark is him making that rubbish uncontestedd turn against Manchester City which led directly to their winner. He's certainly a player I have no worries about seeing the back of.

Didn't he do something very similar when playing for Ireland very soon after that?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on August 02, 2016, 01:20:15 PM: You'd need a lot of fingers and hands to count all of Clanger Clark's fuck ups. His one at Spurs made me laugh earlier in the season too.

£5 million for him, Rafa must have come down with this mornings rain.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cdward on August 02, 2016, 01:20:24 PM: With Elphick in we were always going to lose a defender, but let's be honest all of them are damaged goods in some way, they all have their faults. He was probably the only one anyone was willing to spend money on.
Good luck to Ciaran Clark he will do well up there, he is the ultimate Steven Taylor replacement
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: FatSam on August 02, 2016, 01:36:37 PM: I don't know if it's just my perception, but it does seem that we have far more players with triggerable release clauses than anyone else. I wonder if it was a strategy of Tom Fox's to get a lot of our fairly mediocre squad to sign-up on extended deals and get some money for them rather than being lost for nothing on a Bosman. Perhaps it is an indication of what sort of proposition a club that has flirted with relegation for several seasons represents. It's probably easy to say with hindsight, but I don't understand some of the decisions made. For example, I don't know why Gana would have a fairly low release clause, and why Bacuna would be signed-up on a five-year contract extension last year.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Nirog72 on August 02, 2016, 01:37:14 PM: No massive loss now although I have a sneaky suspicion he will 'find himself' away from Villa Park and end up a good Premier League Centre Back. I also think he is currently our second best centre back.

The sub plot I guess is why would someone go to another club in the same division. Money? Because they feel there's a better chance of promotion? Moving away from the toxicity of last year? If we can't compete financially with the Newcastle's of this world what are we doing to challenge them in other ways?

What's needed in the next couple of days is a real statement of intent, most likely in the form of a player or two signing who make you think we can go places. I'm not normally overly gloomy about Villa but I'm not sure there is a plan and if there is the likelihood of it being delivered seems remote at present. I don't think it's lack of funds, I think it's lack of direction (still).
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on August 02, 2016, 01:37:14 PM: Clark isn't good enough. His performance in the euros was terrible. For us he was mainly terrible. £5M good money
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villa Lew on August 02, 2016, 01:43:39 PM: Always sorry to see a home-grown player leave us. After having his best season for us in 14/15, last season he was very poor, often a liability. However still would prefer to see the back of Lescott and Richards, before Clark.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: David_Nab on August 02, 2016, 01:44:25 PM: Moyes sniffing around Ayew now
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Chris Jameson on August 02, 2016, 01:45:40 PM: Hopefully we'll get Newcastle to buy Ciaran Clarke too. That would be lovely.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Singapore Villa on August 02, 2016, 01:47:06 PM: As many have already said, Clark was not pulling up any trees, had a habit of making at least one clanger every game and had poor positional sense coupled with a lack of pace. 5m is good business for him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Lyewho??? on August 02, 2016, 01:54:03 PM: Hi all again, This is what i would like to see Sunday with our current crop if they are all fit.

Gollini

Hutton Elphick Baker Amavi

Tshibola Westwood

Adama Veretout Grealish

Ayew

Bench:
Bunn
Okore
Bennett
gardner/Sanchez
Green
Gabby
Gestede/Kozak

I wouldnt mind Grealish playing central either, with green on the left.

I would then like to see us buy

1) Striker with power and pace
2) Another winger with experience and the ability to cross the ball without 52 step overs 1st
3) An experienced CM that can lead by example, and develop the younger players.
4) A young right back.

Also what is a our spend so far, as Tony has promised us money but as i see it we have spent less than what we are about to receive(d)???
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 02, 2016, 01:57:17 PM: you've got more chance of seeing Red Rum in the line up than Adama and why is Okore always benched?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: villabear on August 02, 2016, 01:58:44 PM: Bloke I work with reckons Lambert from the stripy filth signing for us today/tomorrow. Says he knows someone who works at the club. Might be b******s. Certainly hope it is
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 02, 2016, 02:00:25 PM: if this is true 9which it isn't I'm sure0 I am going to take up watching cribbage
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 02, 2016, 02:01:19 PM: Quote from: villabear on August 02, 2016, 01:58:44 PM
Bloke I work with reckons Lambert from the stripy filth signing for us today/tomorrow. Says he knows someone who works at the club. Might be b******s. Certainly hope it is
This is one move I can see happening
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oldtimernow on August 02, 2016, 02:03:32 PM: Quote from: Chris Jameson on August 02, 2016, 01:45:40 PM
Hopefully we'll get Newcastle to buy Ciaran Clarke too. That would be lovely.

10m for the pair of them would be really good business
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 02, 2016, 02:04:18 PM: we might as well recruit Grant Holt than Lambert and pay him in buns. Utterly ludicrous move if it comes off.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on August 02, 2016, 02:16:25 PM: Quote from: mr underhill on August 02, 2016, 02:04:18 PM
we might as well recruit Grant Holt than Lambert and pay him in buns. Utterly ludicrous move if it comes off.

Well if that does happen we know what to expect in the future don't we?

Cheap and not so cheerful.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: themossman on August 02, 2016, 02:16:50 PM: Quote from: FatSam on August 02, 2016, 01:36:37 PM
I don't know if it's just my perception, but it does seem that we have far more players with triggerable release clauses than anyone else. I wonder if it was a strategy of Tom Fox's to get a lot of our fairly mediocre squad to sign-up on extended deals and get some money for them rather than being lost for nothing on a Bosman. Perhaps it is an indication of what sort of proposition a club that has flirted with relegation for several seasons represents. It's probably easy to say with hindsight, but I don't understand some of the decisions made. For example, I don't know why Gana would have a fairly low release clause, and why Bacuna would be signed-up on a five-year contract extension last year.

I think you're right that it was more of a symptom than a cause of where we were at that stage. We were obviously an extrenely whiffy club to be joining by last summer so getting some promising players in on the proviso that they could also leave easily was probably out last roll of the dice.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 02, 2016, 02:19:51 PM: Mail saying we've bid for RM and wanting it wrapped up within 24 hours 🙏🏻
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3719927/Aston-Villa-hope-beat-Norwich-12m-signing-Fulham-striker-Ross-McCormack.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Mossie Hennebry on August 02, 2016, 02:25:24 PM: Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on August 02, 2016, 12:52:49 PM
Quote from: Mossie Hennebry on August 02, 2016, 12:42:34 PM
We are on a hiding to nothing if we don't ship Lescott, Gabby, Bacuna and Richards. If it was up to me, I would pay up their contracts and give them road. The rebuilding can't start until the demolishing has been completed.

Seriously? just work out in your head how much that would cost us. It's not Monopoly money - it's real!

I have no idea how much that would cost. But, we have already paid a huge price in that we are missing the most lucrative season in Premier league history due to their performances. They are rotten, and if they remain around the club, they will cost us again. As someone has pointed out on the match thread, our current playing squad is much the same as last season, so we shouldn't expect anything different this season. Each time a different manager came in last season, each thought they could fix the problem players. Each failed. Let's stop fucking about and get rid, before it costs us again.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Shrek on August 02, 2016, 02:28:24 PM: Am I the only one thinking we are totally fucked?

Any decent player we have left will most likely go before the window closes and we haven't signed anywhere near enough players for the coming season.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 02, 2016, 02:30:27 PM: McCormack definitely scores goals, tho I think a fair few are from set pieces (not a bad thing)

He's mostly been playing behind the main striker - which is where ayew and grealish want to as well. Maybe you play him and ayew and they alternate?

£12m for a 29 year old is pretty alarming. But if it gets us up . .
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tuscans on August 02, 2016, 02:42:11 PM: Quote from: Matt Collins on August 02, 2016, 02:30:27 PM
McCormack definitely scores goals, tho I think a fair few are from set pieces (not a bad thing)

He's mostly been playing behind the main striker - which is where ayew and grealish want to as well. Maybe you play him and ayew and they alternate?

£12m for a 29 year old is pretty alarming. But if it gets us up . .
If that £12 million scores you goals to get back in the Premier League then it's a snip.

I couldn't care less what anyone costs, it isn't my money and I'm not the Villa accountant. Buy him, score goals, win games, get promoted....done!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Axl Rose on August 02, 2016, 02:51:14 PM: Clark never looks comfortable. He's utter garbage. I'd get rid of Baker(crap), Okore(a gobshite), Richards(a ******), Lescott(a cock), Cissohko(abysmal) and Hutton(woeful).

Leaving us with Tommy, Amavi, Bennett, Toner....can't think who else. It's not going to happen, but I wish we had some good defenders coming in.

In general, I wish I felt more positive about the squad. I can't say I would particularly pay to watch any of them. I think we'll get a rude awakening against Wednesday. And I wish Tony would quit Twitter. As for Westwood, Agbonlahor and Bacuna-its all honesty, I find it very hard to support any of them. I wish they'd go, so I can get back to feeling supportive of the club. Until these degenerates fuck off, I can't raise any sort of enthusiasm higher than a 'oh, I hope they win today'. These fuckers have doused my enthusiasm with petrol and set it alight.

But I still live in hope that Di Matteo is the man to sort us out.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: phantom limb on August 02, 2016, 02:51:48 PM: If someone comes in who can score goals I honestly don't care who it is or how much they cost, we desperately need at least one competent striker; if not more.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on August 02, 2016, 03:04:30 PM: If he comes in then fair enough, but I would still like to see more mobility up top. Better option than Gestede I suppose.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: villadelph on August 02, 2016, 03:04:59 PM: This gentleman seemed to pip a lot of our thoughts and regurgitate them into his Newcastle article, without any sort of citation or credit.

http://www.themag.co.uk/2016/08/interesting-reaction-aston-villa-fans-newcastle-bid-cieran-clark-newcastle-united/
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: QuintonVilla on August 02, 2016, 03:07:34 PM: Jedinak made available by Palace. Would be a good signing at this level and add a bit of grit to our midfield.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on August 02, 2016, 03:07:51 PM: Quote from: villabear on August 02, 2016, 01:58:44 PM
Bloke I work with reckons Lambert from the stripy filth signing for us today/tomorrow. Says he knows someone who works at the club. Might be b******s. Certainly hope it is

Hopefully utter bullshit because Lambert is finished, we'd have our pants pulled down by the baggies again if we sign another old knacker from them and give them cash for it.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on August 02, 2016, 03:10:08 PM: Quote from: QuintonVilla on August 02, 2016, 03:07:34 PM
Jedinak made available by Palace. Would be a good signing at this level and add a bit of grit to our midfield.

He's been mentioned a fair few times on here, would be a decent addition. We need goals though, it's got to the major priority, we barely create anything, we need a playmaker or winger, just someone who can unlock a defence. I'm sick of seeing a slow as fuck Villa team plodding around the pitch aimlessly.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on August 02, 2016, 03:12:30 PM: Quote from: QuintonVilla on August 02, 2016, 03:07:34 PM
Jedinak made available by Palace. Would be a good signing at this level and add a bit of grit to our midfield.

I think he'd be a good signing. We're crying out for some experience and leadership in centre midfield. And (I've said this before) with full beard he looks just like Sir Dennis Mortimer.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 02, 2016, 03:12:45 PM: Quote from: Axl Rose on August 02, 2016, 02:51:14 PM
Clark never looks comfortable. He's utter garbage. I'd get rid of Baker(crap), Okore(a gobshite), Richards(a c***), Lescott(a cock), Cissohko(abysmal) and Hutton(woeful).

Leaving us with Tommy, Amavi, Bennett, Toner....can't think who else. It's not going to happen, but I wish we had some good defenders coming in.

In general, I wish I felt more positive about the squad. I can't say I would particularly pay to watch any of them. I think we'll get a rude awakening against Wednesday. And I wish Tony would quit Twitter. As for Westwood, Agbonlahor and Bacuna-its all honesty, I find it very hard to support any of them. I wish they'd go, so I can get back to feeling supportive of the club. Until these degenerates fuck off, I can't raise any sort of enthusiasm higher than a 'oh, I hope they win today'. These fuckers have doused my enthusiasm with petrol and set it alight.

But I still live in hope that Di Matteo is the man to sort us out.
sums up how I feel about them as well.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: villadelph on August 02, 2016, 03:13:23 PM: Quote from: aj2k77 on August 02, 2016, 03:07:51 PM
Quote from: villabear on August 02, 2016, 01:58:44 PM
Bloke I work with reckons Lambert from the stripy filth signing for us today/tomorrow. Says he knows someone who works at the club. Might be b******s. Certainly hope it is

Hopefully utter bullshit because Lambert is finished, we'd have our pants pulled down by the baggies again if we sign another old knacker from them and give them cash for it.

If, after all this time, Xia and RDM decide that he will be of use to us then that is very disheartening news. I can't help but feel that we are digressing even more.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: CT Villan on August 02, 2016, 03:14:30 PM: Clark's greatest attributes are his pace and positioning, unfortunately.

Him going to Newcastle must significantly improve our chances of promotion
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 02, 2016, 03:16:02 PM: Quote from: villadelph on August 02, 2016, 03:04:59 PM
This gentleman seemed to pip a lot of our thoughts and regurgitate them into his Newcastle article, without any sort of citation or credit.

http://www.themag.co.uk/2016/08/interesting-reaction-aston-villa-fans-newcastle-bid-cieran-clark-newcastle-united/

Apart from him saying it's comments from VT?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: villadelph on August 02, 2016, 03:17:17 PM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 02, 2016, 03:16:02 PM
Quote from: villadelph on August 02, 2016, 03:04:59 PM
This gentleman seemed to pip a lot of our thoughts and regurgitate them into his Newcastle article, without any sort of citation or credit.

http://www.themag.co.uk/2016/08/interesting-reaction-aston-villa-fans-newcastle-bid-cieran-clark-newcastle-united/

Apart from him saying it's comments from VT?

Are we VT?

No names attached?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 02, 2016, 03:18:43 PM: Villa Talk. None of the comments are from here.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: villadelph on August 02, 2016, 03:21:51 PM: Pretty sure this is their first quoted post..

Quote from: SoccerHQ on August 01, 2016, 09:44:09 PM
Clark's not really that good at any aspect of defending.

He's not very quick, I don't think he reads the game well which is evident in the amount of time he lungs in and gets yellow cards, as we've seen against poor forwards like Anchiebe he can get outmuscled easily and he's average in the air. His passing has regressed a lot through the seasons aswell.

For me it's a good price and it's always important to balance the books if you're doing well or not as that keeps things ticking over.

Elphick will be an automatic starter and then it will be Baker/Okore depending on form/fitness. Going to be difficult to shift Richards and Lescott so one of those will still be in the mix I reckon. You can always loan in a CB aswell.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 02, 2016, 03:24:16 PM: Maybe some are from here then, doesn't really matter, stuff gets posted on here from other fan forums without naming the site or posters.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 02, 2016, 03:28:51 PM: Quote from: Tuscans on August 02, 2016, 02:42:11 PM
Quote from: Matt Collins on August 02, 2016, 02:30:27 PM
McCormack definitely scores goals, tho I think a fair few are from set pieces (not a bad thing)

He's mostly been playing behind the main striker - which is where ayew and grealish want to as well. Maybe you play him and ayew and they alternate?

£12m for a 29 year old is pretty alarming. But if it gets us up . .
If that £12 million scores you goals to get back in the Premier League then it's a snip.

I couldn't care less what anyone costs, it isn't my money and I'm not the Villa accountant. Buy him, score goals, win games, get promoted....done!

Isn't that what people said under Lerner in the first few years when we were running £40m pa deficits? Look where that got us
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on August 02, 2016, 03:31:46 PM: SHQ reproduces what he posts on here in the 6th Form Forum as well.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Chris Smith on August 02, 2016, 03:35:12 PM: Quote from: Matt Collins on August 02, 2016, 03:28:51 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on August 02, 2016, 02:42:11 PM
Quote from: Matt Collins on August 02, 2016, 02:30:27 PM
McCormack definitely scores goals, tho I think a fair few are from set pieces (not a bad thing)

He's mostly been playing behind the main striker - which is where ayew and grealish want to as well. Maybe you play him and ayew and they alternate?

£12m for a 29 year old is pretty alarming. But if it gets us up . .
If that £12 million scores you goals to get back in the Premier League then it's a snip.

I couldn't care less what anyone costs, it isn't my money and I'm not the Villa accountant. Buy him, score goals, win games, get promoted....done!

Isn't that what people said under Lerner in the first few years when we were running £40m pa deficits? Look where that got us

The difference is promotion will give us an immediate return on the investment. Buying a proven goal scorer should help.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 02, 2016, 03:43:05 PM: It's a tough one, if someone like McCormack scores the goals that takes us up then he will be a bargain. The problem is if you sign someone like him and don't go up. £15m for a second division side to pay for a bloke that is 30 in a couple of weeks could backfire. Especially as i'd imagine you'd be looking at a 4 year contract.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tuscans on August 02, 2016, 03:52:52 PM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 02, 2016, 03:43:05 PM
It's a tough one, if someone like McCormack scores the goals that takes us up then he will be a bargain. The problem is if you sign someone like him and don't go up. £15m for a second division side to pay for a bloke that is 30 in a couple of weeks could backfire. Especially as i'd imagine you'd be looking at a 4 year contract.
I think being a 30 year old footballer these days is being something like a 28 year old about 15 years ago.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: rob_bridge on August 02, 2016, 03:55:50 PM: Quote from: Mossie Hennebry on August 02, 2016, 02:25:24 PM
Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on August 02, 2016, 12:52:49 PM
Quote from: Mossie Hennebry on August 02, 2016, 12:42:34 PM
We are on a hiding to nothing if we don't ship Lescott, Gabby, Bacuna and Richards. If it was up to me, I would pay up their contracts and give them road. The rebuilding can't start until the demolishing has been completed.

Seriously? just work out in your head how much that would cost us. It's not Monopoly money - it's real!

I have no idea how much that would cost. But, we have already paid a huge price in that we are missing the most lucrative season in Premier league history due to their performances. They are rotten, and if they remain around the club, they will cost us again. As someone has pointed out on the match thread, our current playing squad is much the same as last season, so we shouldn't expect anything different this season. Each time a different manager came in last season, each thought they could fix the problem players. Each failed. Let's stop fucking about and get rid, before it costs us again.

Somewhere between 15m and 20m which we don't have
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 02, 2016, 03:58:29 PM: While players are generally in better shape these days, unless your name is Gabby, there's still plenty whose legs go or have a noticeable decline in ability around that age. Lescott, Cole, Richardson are examples we know all too well.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tuscans on August 02, 2016, 04:03:01 PM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 02, 2016, 03:58:29 PM
While players are generally in better shape these days, unless your name is Gabby, there's still plenty whose legs go or have a noticeable decline in ability around that age. Lescott, Cole, Richardson are examples we know all too well.
Sure, I think it's a little different when you're playing up top. I think all your running comes in tiny bursts in a small area of the pitch whilst the 3 you mentioned probably have more to do in the areas they played, especially for us being on the back foot in almost every game.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 02, 2016, 04:06:41 PM: Quote from: Tuscans on August 02, 2016, 04:03:01 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 02, 2016, 03:58:29 PM
While players are generally in better shape these days, unless your name is Gabby, there's still plenty whose legs go or have a noticeable decline in ability around that age. Lescott, Cole, Richardson are examples we know all too well.
Sure, I think it's a little different when you're playing up top. I think all your running comes in tiny bursts in a small area of the pitch whilst the 3 you mentioned probably have more to do in the areas they played, especially for us being on the back foot in almost every game.

Carew was pretty much done at 31. Maybe even Bent, okay an injury contributed but after a 3 month injury he was done for. Heskey got slower and slower pretty quickly once he was in his early 30s.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VillaAlways on August 02, 2016, 04:16:12 PM: It's on the Sky Sports yellow ticker thingy that we've made a 12 million bid
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tuscans on August 02, 2016, 04:30:17 PM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 02, 2016, 04:06:41 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on August 02, 2016, 04:03:01 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 02, 2016, 03:58:29 PM
While players are generally in better shape these days, unless your name is Gabby, there's still plenty whose legs go or have a noticeable decline in ability around that age. Lescott, Cole, Richardson are examples we know all too well.
Sure, I think it's a little different when you're playing up top. I think all your running comes in tiny bursts in a small area of the pitch whilst the 3 you mentioned probably have more to do in the areas they played, especially for us being on the back foot in almost every game.

Carew was pretty much done at 31. Maybe even Bent, okay an injury contributed but after a 3 month injury he was done for. Heskey got slower and slower pretty quickly once he was in his early 30s.
True but 2 of them were your so called big target men who were more battering rams. I suppose for everyone of them you have a Defoe at 33 still knocking them in.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: CT on August 02, 2016, 04:33:38 PM: Defoe looks in incredibly good shape. He runs faster in his goal celebrations than anyone we have up front does during games!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Mossie Hennebry on August 02, 2016, 04:51:36 PM: Quote from: rob_bridge on August 02, 2016, 03:55:50 PM
Quote from: Mossie Hennebry on August 02, 2016, 02:25:24 PM
Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on August 02, 2016, 12:52:49 PM
Quote from: Mossie Hennebry on August 02, 2016, 12:42:34 PM
We are on a hiding to nothing if we don't ship Lescott, Gabby, Bacuna and Richards. If it was up to me, I would pay up their contracts and give them road. The rebuilding can't start until the demolishing has been completed.

Seriously? just work out in your head how much that would cost us. It's not Monopoly money - it's real!

I have no idea how much that would cost. But, we have already paid a huge price in that we are missing the most lucrative season in Premier league history due to their performances. They are rotten, and if they remain around the club, they will cost us again. As someone has pointed out on the match thread, our current playing squad is much the same as last season, so we shouldn't expect anything different this season. Each time a different manager came in last season, each thought they could fix the problem players. Each failed. Let's stop fucking about and get rid, before it costs us again.

Somewhere between 15m and 20m which we don't have

I appreciate it that it is a large amount of money, but it is not extra money that we have to find. Pay them up, or do a deal. But if those guys remain around the club, our outlook will not be good.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tuscans on August 02, 2016, 04:55:42 PM: Quote from: CT on August 02, 2016, 04:33:38 PM
Defoe looks in incredibly good shape. He runs faster in his goal celebrations than anyone we have up front does during games!
Yeah I don't think you can pigeon hole players at 30 anymore, well some of them. Vardy is 30 in 4-5 months time and he's just had the best season of his life and I'm sure if he doesn't score as many this season he will still get plenty.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on August 02, 2016, 04:58:08 PM: Quote from: Matt Collins on August 02, 2016, 02:30:27 PM
McCormack definitely scores goals, tho I think a fair few are from set pieces (not a bad thing)

He's mostly been playing behind the main striker - which is where ayew and grealish want to as well. Maybe you play him and ayew and they alternate?

£12m for a 29 year old is pretty alarming. But if it gets us up . .j
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he is 30 in a couple of weeks
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: paul_e on August 02, 2016, 05:12:42 PM: If I'm honest it's the "but if it gets us up" bit that I disagree with. I don't mind us paying big money for a signing with no sell on if it means we go straight back up. My real concern is that McCormack has been deified by some who were all calling for us to sign Gestede last season after he scored a few. I don't see the same limitations in RM but I do see an alarming number of them and think we're looking at paying 2-3x what he's actually worth and he won't be enough to make any signficant difference to us. I'm very worried that if this goes ahead we're making almost exactly the same mistake that Fulham did when they went down and it's largely a repeat of our striker signing last summer.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 02, 2016, 05:16:23 PM: Agree with that, Paul_e. I also question whether we have the finances to drop him should we get promoted but that's another story.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: avfcpg on August 02, 2016, 05:18:26 PM: McCormack, Jedinak, Morrison and Kodija would make such a difference to us...not world beaters but that's the aisle we are shopping in now.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 02, 2016, 05:19:39 PM: no objection to RM as long as we get another younger striker in as well, improve our midfield options and replace Mutton
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tuscans on August 02, 2016, 05:20:25 PM: Quote from: paul_e on August 02, 2016, 05:12:42 PM
If I'm honest it's the "but if it gets us up" bit that I disagree with. I don't mind us paying big money for a signing with no sell on if it means we go straight back up. My real concern is that McCormack has been deified by some who were all calling for us to sign Gestede last season after he scored a few. I don't see the same limitations in RM but I do see an alarming number of them and think we're looking at paying 2-3x what he's actually worth and he won't be enough to make any signficant difference to us. I'm very worried that if this goes ahead we're making almost exactly the same mistake that Fulham did when they went down and it's largely a repeat of our striker signing last summer.
But you can see at Blackburn that Gestede was a one trick pony, even a one hit wonder, whilst McCormack does have a lot more going on in his game and has consistently scored at this level.

Personally I don't understand the fans consistent worry on how much is too much on a footballers value. It's not coming out of my wage nor part of my pension fund. If the money is there to be spent then spend it otherwise nothing will ever happen and it will only be the start of a new topic come the end of the season to why we didn't buy McCormack and newly promoted Norwich did.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 02, 2016, 05:21:11 PM: Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on August 02, 2016, 05:16:23 PM
Agree with that, Paul_e. I also question whether we have the finances to drop him should we get promoted but that's another story.

I agree. I didn't want to sign him for a number of reasons, but obviously if we do I'll obviously support him. Plus it might have the added bonus of shutting LTA up for 30 seconds.

Now that Gana has left and Clark is leaving we need a centre half, centre mid, creative player, striker and probably a right back.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: paul_e on August 02, 2016, 05:24:15 PM: Quote from: avfcpg on August 02, 2016, 05:18:26 PM
McCormack, Jedinak, Morrison and Kodija would make such a difference to us...not world beaters but that's the aisle we are shopping in now.

Ravel Morrison?

If so I'd take the last 3, Jedinak is cheap and experienced and the other 2 are talented and young enough to get better.

If I tohught we were going to get rid of Gestede, Gabby and Kozak I'd take RM to repalce 1 of them along with 2 more athletic options to give us some pace and a focal point, RM is just another striker who isn't very good at finding space in the box and doesn't hold the ball up very well. Yes he can take a decent free kick and he's good at the edge of the box but he's really not the player we need right now, Kodija is a far better option.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: avfcpg on August 02, 2016, 05:26:25 PM: Quote from: paul_e on August 02, 2016, 05:24:15 PM
Quote from: avfcpg on August 02, 2016, 05:18:26 PM
McCormack, Jedinak, Morrison and Kodija would make such a difference to us...not world beaters but that's the aisle we are shopping in now.

Ravel Morrison?

If so I'd take the last 3, Jedinak is cheap and experienced and the other 2 are talented and young enough to get better.

If I tohught we were going to get rid of Gestede, Gabby and Kozak I'd take RM to repalce 1 of them along with 2 more athletic options to give us some pace and a focal point, RM is just another striker who isn't very good at finding space in the box and doesn't hold the ball up very well. Yes he can take a decent free kick and he's good at the edge of the box but he's really not the player we need right now, Kodija is a far better option.
Yes Ravel...hugely talented if he can sort himself out...
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on August 02, 2016, 05:27:44 PM: Jedinak is the leader we keep talking about. Go and get him RDM, now! Him and Tshibola as the two would be far better than Bacuna and Westwood. McCormack might be overpriced but I guess we need him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aev on August 02, 2016, 05:29:45 PM: Wasn't there something written about McCormack from Fulham fans complaining about his professionalism? £12m is a hell of a lot for a 30 year old.

I realise the season hasn't started yet but losing Gueye and Clark weakens a significantly shite effort from last season. I confess I know nothing about Elphick, but we are taking a punt on a young player having played a handful of games for Reading to shore up what has been a dreadful midfield for a while now.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 02, 2016, 05:33:44 PM: Quote from: aev on August 02, 2016, 05:29:45 PM
Wasn't there something written about McCormack from Fulham fans complaining about his professionalism? £12m is a hell of a lot for a 30 year old.

I realise the season hasn't started yet but losing Gueye and Clark weakens a significantly shite effort from last season. I confess I know nothing about Elphick, but we are taking a punt on a young player having played a handful of games for Reading to shore up what has been a dreadful midfield for a while now.

Yep I remember some reference to him turning up fat after pre-season.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aev on August 02, 2016, 05:37:00 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 02, 2016, 05:33:44 PM
Quote from: aev on August 02, 2016, 05:29:45 PM
Wasn't there something written about McCormack from Fulham fans complaining about his professionalism? £12m is a hell of a lot for a 30 year old.

I realise the season hasn't started yet but losing Gueye and Clark weakens a significantly shite effort from last season. I confess I know nothing about Elphick, but we are taking a punt on a young player having played a handful of games for Reading to shore up what has been a dreadful midfield for a while now.

Yep I remember some reference to him turning up fat after pre-season.

Maybe he will be Gabby's slimming partner.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 02, 2016, 05:37:28 PM: Quote from: Tuscans on August 02, 2016, 04:55:42 PM
Quote from: CT on August 02, 2016, 04:33:38 PM
Defoe looks in incredibly good shape. He runs faster in his goal celebrations than anyone we have up front does during games!
Yeah I don't think you can pigeon hole players at 30 anymore, well some of them. Vardy is 30 in 4-5 months time and he's just had the best season of his life and I'm sure if he doesn't score as many this season he will still get plenty.

I'm not pigeon holing every player at that age as plenty have no problems, I am saying it's a pretty risky signing for a second division club, especially if we don't go straight up. And it's the kind of signing that fucked us under the previous owner.

Then again Bamford would be potentially risky as he's scored less goals in the last year than Gabby. So is Kodija, he's 27 soon and has 2 good seasons in his career according to Wiki, so much the same as Rudy.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villain1874 on August 02, 2016, 05:37:31 PM: Quote from: Tuscans on August 02, 2016, 05:20:25 PM
Quote from: paul_e on August 02, 2016, 05:12:42 PM
If I'm honest it's the "but if it gets us up" bit that I disagree with. I don't mind us paying big money for a signing with no sell on if it means we go straight back up. My real concern is that McCormack has been deified by some who were all calling for us to sign Gestede last season after he scored a few. I don't see the same limitations in RM but I do see an alarming number of them and think we're looking at paying 2-3x what he's actually worth and he won't be enough to make any signficant difference to us. I'm very worried that if this goes ahead we're making almost exactly the same mistake that Fulham did when they went down and it's largely a repeat of our striker signing last summer.
But you can see at Blackburn that Gestede was a one trick pony, even a one hit wonder, whilst McCormack does have a lot more going on in his game and has consistently scored at this level.

Personally I don't understand the fans consistent worry on how much is too much on a footballers value. It's not coming out of my wage nor part of my pension fund. If the money is there to be spent then spend it otherwise nothing will ever happen and it will only be the start of a new topic come the end of the season to why we didn't buy McCormack and newly promoted Norwich did.

But we have to spend money wisely, we need to make sure we get value from the players we sign...
It might not be your money but it's the clubs money and if they waste it now and then fail to make it back to the PL you can forget making big money signings in the future...
The club better make the right decisions especially now...
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 02, 2016, 05:39:29 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 02, 2016, 05:33:44 PM
Quote from: aev on August 02, 2016, 05:29:45 PM
Wasn't there something written about McCormack from Fulham fans complaining about his professionalism? £12m is a hell of a lot for a 30 year old.

I realise the season hasn't started yet but losing Gueye and Clark weakens a significantly shite effort from last season. I confess I know nothing about Elphick, but we are taking a punt on a young player having played a handful of games for Reading to shore up what has been a dreadful midfield for a while now.

Yep I remember some reference to him turning up fat after pre-season.

Not quite as bad as driving your Range Rover into railings whilst pissed though.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 02, 2016, 05:55:00 PM: Right now the squad looks worse than last season, and I don't think playing championship teams every week is enough of a counterbalance

We need to start getting players in. Yes, it is harder in the championship but Newcastle seem to be doing it.

We keep telling ourselves we are a big club. Well we need to start acting like one. No sign of that this window yet. Here's hoping that changes soon.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: themossman on August 02, 2016, 06:01:09 PM: There is an assumption that Newcastle are a temporary fixture in this league. It's clear we don't benefit from that the same assumption and that must translate into the minds of prospective players.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 02, 2016, 06:04:55 PM: Quote from: themossman on August 02, 2016, 06:01:09 PM
There is an assumption that Newcastle are a temporary fixture in this league. It's clear we don't benefit from that the same assumption and that must translate into the minds of prospective players.
who would want to join this squad? I think the biggest problem is that we still have most of the players that did massive damage to our status and reputation.
Whilst we are stuck with them, we are stuck.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on August 02, 2016, 06:07:17 PM: Quote from: themossman on August 02, 2016, 06:01:09 PM
There is an assumption that Newcastle are a temporary fixture in this league. It's clear we don't benefit from that the same assumption and that must translate into the minds of prospective players.

Agreed. We have been slow so far this summer, RDM has a point to prove and needs to get his skates on. This is a terrible Villa side, needs creativity in handling the transfer market and in the way we act.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 02, 2016, 06:10:36 PM: A key difference between RM and Gestede last year is that RM has a proven and consistent track record in this league.

That logic does suggest gestede may also be able score quite a lot in this league. I suspect with more confidence and the right team set up he could. I just don't want us to set up that way

With RM I still think we need a pacey no 9, unless RHM really is ready. I'm not convinced he is
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 02, 2016, 06:10:49 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 02, 2016, 05:55:00 PM
We keep telling ourselves we are a big club. Well we need to start acting like one. No sign of that this window yet. Here's hoping that changes soon.

Amen.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: b23 on August 02, 2016, 06:11:19 PM: Excellent. The cull continues.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: The_ads on August 02, 2016, 06:15:12 PM: If there is one thing I'll never understand with some Villa fans it's the fact they go on about transfer fees it's like it's their money. If it's £12m, £15m whatever, pay the dough and get RM in. He is a proven championship centre forward and if that's the cost then it's a drop in the ocean if he scores the goals that achieve promotion. Why is it some people bang on and on about the fee like it's coming from their account? They moan when we don't spent money and moan when we show a bit of intent
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 02, 2016, 06:17:40 PM: Quote from: The_ads on August 02, 2016, 06:15:12 PM
If there is one thing I'll never understand with some Villa fans it's the fact they go on about transfer fees it's like it's their money. If it's £12m, £15m whatever, pay the dough and get RM in. He is a proven championship centre forward and if that's the cost then it's a drop in the ocean if he scores the goals that achieve promotion. Why is it some people bang on and on about the fee like it's coming from their account? They moan when we don't spent money and moan when we show a bit of intent

It's weird you'd think like that when it comes to money, do you not remember the last six years? That stemmed from spending too much money on the wrong people. McCormack may turn out great, and I hope he does, but I think concern about spending money on the right people is quite natural.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villafirst on August 02, 2016, 06:18:06 PM: Yes, you have to pay the money for the right quality, end of.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 02, 2016, 06:20:43 PM: Quote from: Villafirst on August 02, 2016, 06:18:06 PM
Yes, you have to pay the money for the right quality, end of.

Well that's not necessarily true is it? Kante didn't cost Leicester fortunes, neither did Mahrez or Vardy. So what you actually need to do is identify quality and pay appropriately.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: The_ads on August 02, 2016, 06:20:55 PM: I couldn't give a toss about the last 6 years mate. We should be looking forwards, not backwards.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 02, 2016, 06:24:14 PM: Two fine rebuttals above, which should just be so obvious to villa fans in particular:

1. Money guarantees quality and vice versa (check our league position versus net spend and wages over the last 5 years; or Everton / Spurs v us in the Oneill years)

2. We shouldn't care what we spend. How any villa fan can say that is absolutely beyond me!!!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 02, 2016, 06:27:43 PM: Quote from: The_ads on August 02, 2016, 06:20:55 PM
I couldn't give a toss about the last 6 years mate. We should be looking forwards, not backwards.

You can't do the former without learning from the latter.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 02, 2016, 06:30:55 PM: Quote from: The_ads on August 02, 2016, 06:15:12 PM
If there is one thing I'll never understand with some Villa fans it's the fact they go on about transfer fees it's like it's their money. If it's £12m, £15m whatever, pay the dough and get RM in. He is a proven championship centre forward and if that's the cost then it's a drop in the ocean if he scores the goals that achieve promotion. Why is it some people bang on and on about the fee like it's coming from their account? They moan when we don't spent money and moan when we show a bit of intent

"If" he scores the goals that achieve promotion is the key bit.

I could counter what you say with why do people bang on and on about spending massive amounts of money for a second division club and not caring if it's a good investment are often the same ones moaning how shit we were run under the previous owner which all stemmed from spending money without caring if it was being spent wisely.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: The_ads on August 02, 2016, 06:33:33 PM: That's a good point but £12m is absolutely nothing in this post TV bonanza market. It is pure chicken feed and should he score 20 goals and manage to sort out the other end we'll be there or there abouts. We actually havent spent a penny yet
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: The_ads on August 02, 2016, 06:34:41 PM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 02, 2016, 06:30:55 PM
Quote from: The_ads on August 02, 2016, 06:15:12 PM
If there is one thing I'll never understand with some Villa fans it's the fact they go on about transfer fees it's like it's their money. If it's £12m, £15m whatever, pay the dough and get RM in. He is a proven championship centre forward and if that's the cost then it's a drop in the ocean if he scores the goals that achieve promotion. Why is it some people bang on and on about the fee like it's coming from their account? They moan when we don't spent money and moan when we show a bit of intent

"If" he scores the goals that achieve promotion is the key bit.

I could counter what you say with why do people bang on and on about spending massive amounts of money for a second division club and not caring if it's a good investment are often the same ones moaning how shit we were run under the previous owner which all stemmed from spending money without caring if it was being spent wisely.

Do you not feel it's a good investment?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villain1874 on August 02, 2016, 06:35:24 PM: Quote from: The_ads on August 02, 2016, 06:20:55 PM
I couldn't give a toss about the last 6 years mate. We should be looking forwards, not backwards.

You should give a toss about the last six years mate...
Besides if the club make the same mistakes again and we don't get promoted there is no more PL money other than the parachute money, then we will not be making any big signings for a very long time...
We need to make sure we get value from the players we sign..
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 02, 2016, 06:35:59 PM: Apart from we're not part of that new TV contract. So £12m really is something to us.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: The_ads on August 02, 2016, 06:37:27 PM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 02, 2016, 06:35:59 PM
Apart from we're not part of that new TV contract. So £12m really is something to us.

Fair do's mate
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 02, 2016, 06:37:43 PM: Quote from: The_ads on August 02, 2016, 06:34:41 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 02, 2016, 06:30:55 PM
Quote from: The_ads on August 02, 2016, 06:15:12 PM
If there is one thing I'll never understand with some Villa fans it's the fact they go on about transfer fees it's like it's their money. If it's £12m, £15m whatever, pay the dough and get RM in. He is a proven championship centre forward and if that's the cost then it's a drop in the ocean if he scores the goals that achieve promotion. Why is it some people bang on and on about the fee like it's coming from their account? They moan when we don't spent money and moan when we show a bit of intent

"If" he scores the goals that achieve promotion is the key bit.

I could counter what you say with why do people bang on and on about spending massive amounts of money for a second division club and not caring if it's a good investment are often the same ones moaning how shit we were run under the previous owner which all stemmed from spending money without caring if it was being spent wisely.

Do you not feel it's a good investment?

I've said a number of times over the last few pages that I think it's a very risky one and it's one I don't think is worth the risk.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: AV5nobs on August 02, 2016, 06:38:27 PM: Quote from: The_ads on August 02, 2016, 06:33:33 PM
That's a good point but £12m is absolutely nothing in this post TV bonanza market. It is pure chicken feed and should he score 20 goals and manage to sort out the other end we'll be there or there abouts. We actually havent spent a penny yet

This. Bang on.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Walmley_Villa on August 02, 2016, 06:41:36 PM: Not that fussed about Clark going but RDM looks a bit stupid saying at the weekend that he was staying and committed to the club. Also that there were no more 'escape' clauses...Would lime to see some ambition now - Ross m would be a good start for me as a proven goalscorer and creator at this level. His fee would be covered comfortably if we get up...
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: The_ads on August 02, 2016, 06:41:50 PM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 02, 2016, 06:37:43 PM
Quote from: The_ads on August 02, 2016, 06:34:41 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 02, 2016, 06:30:55 PM
Quote from: The_ads on August 02, 2016, 06:15:12 PM
If there is one thing I'll never understand with some Villa fans it's the fact they go on about transfer fees it's like it's their money. If it's £12m, £15m whatever, pay the dough and get RM in. He is a proven championship centre forward and if that's the cost then it's a drop in the ocean if he scores the goals that achieve promotion. Why is it some people bang on and on about the fee like it's coming from their account? They moan when we don't spent money and moan when we show a bit of intent

"If" he scores the goals that achieve promotion is the key bit.

I could counter what you say with why do people bang on and on about spending massive amounts of money for a second division club and not caring if it's a good investment are often the same ones moaning how shit we were run under the previous owner which all stemmed from spending money without caring if it was being spent wisely.

Do you not feel it's a good investment?

I've said a number of times over the last few pages that I think it's a very risky one and it's one I don't think is worth the risk.

Well, it's clear we need a proven striker so who would you go for?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: QuintonVilla on August 02, 2016, 06:42:07 PM: Paddy McNair being linked as Clark's replacement.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on August 02, 2016, 06:45:59 PM: Quote from: The_ads on August 02, 2016, 06:41:50 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 02, 2016, 06:37:43 PM
Quote from: The_ads on August 02, 2016, 06:34:41 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 02, 2016, 06:30:55 PM
Quote from: The_ads on August 02, 2016, 06:15:12 PM
If there is one thing I'll never understand with some Villa fans it's the fact they go on about transfer fees it's like it's their money. If it's £12m, £15m whatever, pay the dough and get RM in. He is a proven championship centre forward and if that's the cost then it's a drop in the ocean if he scores the goals that achieve promotion. Why is it some people bang on and on about the fee like it's coming from their account? They moan when we don't spent money and moan when we show a bit of intent

"If" he scores the goals that achieve promotion is the key bit.

I could counter what you say with why do people bang on and on about spending massive amounts of money for a second division club and not caring if it's a good investment are often the same ones moaning how shit we were run under the previous owner which all stemmed from spending money without caring if it was being spent wisely.

Do you not feel it's a good investment?

I've said a number of times over the last few pages that I think it's a very risky one and it's one I don't think is worth the risk.

Well, it's clear we need a proven striker so who would you go for?

Personally would go for Nakhi Wells from Huddersfield. Would probably cost a fair bit less than McCormack.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9E2hX0IoB_w
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 02, 2016, 06:46:22 PM: Quote from: QuintonVilla on August 02, 2016, 06:42:07 PM
Paddy McNair being linked as Clark's replacement.

Linked where?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: QuintonVilla on August 02, 2016, 06:47:52 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 02, 2016, 06:46:22 PM
Quote from: QuintonVilla on August 02, 2016, 06:42:07 PM
Paddy McNair being linked as Clark's replacement.

Linked where?
Telegraph.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 02, 2016, 06:48:38 PM: No idea as most I think of, or are mentioned on here, don't thrill me. I'd hope though that those employed by the club to know these things could find better than a £12-15m player that seems to be a Championship Darren Bent with a potentially suspect attitude.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: MonsXI on August 02, 2016, 06:49:49 PM: A telegraph writer is linking is with Paddy Mcnair from Man Utd.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: eamonn on August 02, 2016, 06:52:02 PM: Is he a Scottish fatty like Charlie Adam ? We need someone like Jordan Rhodes, a prolific goal-hanger with decent ability as well as able to hold it up. Don't know enough about McCormack to see if he's similar.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 02, 2016, 06:58:09 PM: he is in the number of goals he scores
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on August 02, 2016, 06:58:53 PM: Quote from: eamonn on August 02, 2016, 06:52:02 PM
Is he a Scottish fatty like Charlie Adam ? We need someone like Jordan Rhodes, a prolific goal-hanger with decent ability as well as able to hold it up. Don't know enough about McCormack to see if he's similar.

Rhodes is only one out of those three though. We need some pace up there and someone who is willing to make the runs.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Lyewho??? on August 02, 2016, 07:00:45 PM: Quote from: tomd2103 on August 02, 2016, 06:45:59 PM
Quote from: The_ads on August 02, 2016, 06:41:50 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 02, 2016, 06:37:43 PM
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If there is one thing I'll never understand with some Villa fans it's the fact they go on about transfer fees it's like it's their money. If it's £12m, £15m whatever, pay the dough and get RM in. He is a proven championship centre forward and if that's the cost then it's a drop in the ocean if he scores the goals that achieve promotion. Why is it some people bang on and on about the fee like it's coming from their account? They moan when we don't spent money and moan when we show a bit of intent

"If" he scores the goals that achieve promotion is the key bit.

I could counter what you say with why do people bang on and on about spending massive amounts of money for a second division club and not caring if it's a good investment are often the same ones moaning how shit we were run under the previous owner which all stemmed from spending money without caring if it was being spent wisely.

Do you not feel it's a good investment?

I've said a number of times over the last few pages that I think it's a very risky one and it's one I don't think is worth the risk.

Well, it's clear we need a proven striker so who would you go for?

Personally would go for Nakhi Wells from Huddersfield. Would probably cost a fair bit less than McCormack.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9E2hX0IoB_w

Im not singing with joy for Ross McCormack to come to Villa but he does know where the net is in a shit fulham team!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: four fornicholl on August 02, 2016, 07:01:19 PM: Quote from: MonsXI on August 02, 2016, 06:49:49 PM
A telegraph writer is linking is with Paddy Mcnair from Man Utd.
Didn't we let him go and he ended up at Manu via Motherwell and Celtic?
Would be quite a good signing considering the goals and honours he got whilst there.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on August 02, 2016, 07:02:07 PM: Scottish fatty eh? Racism with added weightism. Love it.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 02, 2016, 07:03:36 PM: it's the diet of Selkirk bannock and porridge that does it
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Concrete Tom on August 02, 2016, 07:11:06 PM: Quote from: Lyewho??? on August 02, 2016, 07:00:45 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on August 02, 2016, 06:45:59 PM
Quote from: The_ads on August 02, 2016, 06:41:50 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 02, 2016, 06:37:43 PM
Quote from: The_ads on August 02, 2016, 06:34:41 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 02, 2016, 06:30:55 PM
Quote from: The_ads on August 02, 2016, 06:15:12 PM
If there is one thing I'll never understand with some Villa fans it's the fact they go on about transfer fees it's like it's their money. If it's £12m, £15m whatever, pay the dough and get RM in. He is a proven championship centre forward and if that's the cost then it's a drop in the ocean if he scores the goals that achieve promotion. Why is it some people bang on and on about the fee like it's coming from their account? They moan when we don't spent money and moan when we show a bit of intent

"If" he scores the goals that achieve promotion is the key bit.

I could counter what you say with why do people bang on and on about spending massive amounts of money for a second division club and not caring if it's a good investment are often the same ones moaning how shit we were run under the previous owner which all stemmed from spending money without caring if it was being spent wisely.

Do you not feel it's a good investment?

I've said a number of times over the last few pages that I think it's a very risky one and it's one I don't think is worth the risk.

Well, it's clear we need a proven striker so who would you go for?

Personally would go for Nakhi Wells from Huddersfield. Would probably cost a fair bit less than McCormack.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9E2hX0IoB_w

Im not singing with joy for Ross McCormack to come to Villa but he does know where the net is in a shit fulham team!

All that video really shows me is the poor quality of goalkeepers and defenders in the championship.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: LeeB on August 02, 2016, 07:15:25 PM: Quote from: brian green on August 02, 2016, 07:02:07 PM
Scottish fatty eh? Racism with added weightism. Love it.

It's a compliment to most Glaswegians.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tuscans on August 02, 2016, 07:16:18 PM: Quote from: Concrete Tom on August 02, 2016, 07:11:06 PM
Quote from: Lyewho??? on August 02, 2016, 07:00:45 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on August 02, 2016, 06:45:59 PM
Quote from: The_ads on August 02, 2016, 06:41:50 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 02, 2016, 06:37:43 PM
Quote from: The_ads on August 02, 2016, 06:34:41 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 02, 2016, 06:30:55 PM
Quote from: The_ads on August 02, 2016, 06:15:12 PM
If there is one thing I'll never understand with some Villa fans it's the fact they go on about transfer fees it's like it's their money. If it's £12m, £15m whatever, pay the dough and get RM in. He is a proven championship centre forward and if that's the cost then it's a drop in the ocean if he scores the goals that achieve promotion. Why is it some people bang on and on about the fee like it's coming from their account? They moan when we don't spent money and moan when we show a bit of intent

"If" he scores the goals that achieve promotion is the key bit.

I could counter what you say with why do people bang on and on about spending massive amounts of money for a second division club and not caring if it's a good investment are often the same ones moaning how shit we were run under the previous owner which all stemmed from spending money without caring if it was being spent wisely.

Do you not feel it's a good investment?

I've said a number of times over the last few pages that I think it's a very risky one and it's one I don't think is worth the risk.

Well, it's clear we need a proven striker so who would you go for?

Personally would go for Nakhi Wells from Huddersfield. Would probably cost a fair bit less than McCormack.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9E2hX0IoB_w

Im not singing with joy for Ross McCormack to come to Villa but he does know where the net is in a shit fulham team!

All that video really shows me is the poor quality of goalkeepers and defenders in the championship.
So you're basically saying there's still a chance for Gabby.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aev on August 02, 2016, 07:31:42 PM: Quote from: four fornicholl on August 02, 2016, 07:01:19 PM
Quote from: MonsXI on August 02, 2016, 06:49:49 PM
A telegraph writer is linking is with Paddy Mcnair from Man Utd.
Didn't we let him go and he ended up at Manu via Motherwell and Celtic?
Would be quite a good signing considering the goals and honours he got whilst there.

That was Chocolate "Chocco" Eclair.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on August 02, 2016, 07:38:57 PM: I'd sign him up. You need a striker who'll bang in 20 goals and he will. Play Ayew just behind him, and we'll get some joy.
I still wouldn't write Rudy or Kozak off entirely. Given the right service they'll score goals, but I think at least one of them needs shipping off (as well as Gabby), and even if we sign RM, I'd still like to see another come in too.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on August 02, 2016, 07:40:48 PM: Surprised at how many he layed on for others. Very inventive and some good finishing.

Shit defending though. Sub-Clark and Baker level.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 02, 2016, 07:42:22 PM: Don't want him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 02, 2016, 07:46:31 PM: Quote from: supertom on August 02, 2016, 07:38:57 PM
I'd sign him up. You need a striker who'll bang in 20 goals and he will. Play Ayew just behind him, and we'll get some joy.
I still wouldn't write Rudy or Kozak off entirely. Given the right service they'll score goals, but I think at least one of them needs shipping off (as well as Gabby), and even if we sign RM, I'd still like to see another come in too.

Giving our strikers, whoever they are, the right service is fundamental. We've been so poor creating opportunities we celebrate a shot rather than a goal. I can never understand how a player like Hutton can find himself on endless occasions in a fantastic advanced position yet 99 times out of 100, he won't put a cross in. And then we blame Rudi for not scoring enough.

Football isn't half as complicated as we make it look. Hopefully RDM/Clarke will sort it out.. and soon.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on August 02, 2016, 07:46:36 PM: He's very similar to Charlie Austin. They look like they probably hang around at the same pub, and go to the same kebab van after closing time. But the finishing, with both feet, is first rate.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: AV5nobs on August 02, 2016, 07:47:32 PM: Sign him, no brainer.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 02, 2016, 07:49:13 PM: he looked better than Gestede on that YT but I suppose I would look like Gabby on one
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on August 02, 2016, 07:50:36 PM: Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on August 02, 2016, 07:46:31 PM
Quote from: supertom on August 02, 2016, 07:38:57 PM
I'd sign him up. You need a striker who'll bang in 20 goals and he will. Play Ayew just behind him, and we'll get some joy.
I still wouldn't write Rudy or Kozak off entirely. Given the right service they'll score goals, but I think at least one of them needs shipping off (as well as Gabby), and even if we sign RM, I'd still like to see another come in too.

Giving our strikers, whoever they are, the right service is fundamental. We've been so poor creating opportunities we celebrate a shot rather than a goal. I can never understand how a player like Hutton can find himself on endless occasions in a fantastic advanced position yet 99 times out of 100, he won't put a cross in. And then we blame Rudi for not scoring enough.

Football isn't half as complicated as we make it look. Hopefully RDM/Clarke will sort it out.. and soon.
That's true. I really want Grealish to play a key role and I'd still like us to sign an attacking midfielder who has the ability to get wide and put crosses in too.
McCormack seems to create chances for himself too (a little like Defoe) and also seems to need only one or two chances which will bode well if we still struggle to create enough.

What I'd like to see us do is play a 4-2-3-1 system. 2 at the base to keep things solid and help the back line. Then the three ahead given a fair amount of freedom and also a remit to provide width too. Persistently expecting Alan Hutton to play right back and right wing at the same time and be our main creative outlet has killed us for 2 years now. It's a joke.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: berneboy on August 02, 2016, 07:51:06 PM: Pat Murphy confirms 11 m bid for McCormack
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tony Erdington on August 02, 2016, 07:52:52 PM: Quote from: AV5nobs on August 02, 2016, 07:47:32 PM
Sign him, no brainer.

interesting , please elaborate, I aint so sure.

equally intriguing your name, ever been down sha?? av5NOBS
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on August 02, 2016, 07:54:01 PM: Quote from: Tony Erdington on August 02, 2016, 07:52:52 PM
Quote from: AV5nobs on August 02, 2016, 07:47:32 PM
Sign him, no brainer.

interesting , please elaborate, I aint so sure.

equally intriguing your name, ever been down sha?? av5NOBS

Main guy who runs Snobs is Villa. Could be him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on August 02, 2016, 07:56:57 PM: Quote from: berneboy on August 02, 2016, 07:51:06 PM
Pat Murphy confirms 11 m bid for McCormack
As much as anything I'd like us to throw our wieght around and fuck Norwich over too. We haven't done enough to send out the message that we're looking up and not still panicking about what's behind us. Fuck re-sale value in this case. Whether it's RM or someone else I want us to poach a rivals best player, and from under the nose of another rival, stick two fingers up and bag ourselves a goalscorer. Newcastle are throwing their weight around in the transfer window and look nailed on for top spot. We've got to up our fucking game here.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on August 02, 2016, 07:57:57 PM: I'd still like another flrward but as I said elsewhere I think Gabby is rated by RDM.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 02, 2016, 07:58:35 PM: In fairness there's some very good stuff from in that video, along with some defending as bad as anything we've seen down B6 the last few years. Looking at him though worries me, he's nearly 30 and looks 2 Ginsters pasties away from turning into Grant Holt.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tony Erdington on August 02, 2016, 07:59:14 PM: Quote from: supertom on August 02, 2016, 07:56:57 PM
Quote from: berneboy on August 02, 2016, 07:51:06 PM
Pat Murphy confirms 11 m bid for McCormack
As much as anything I'd like us to throw our wieght around and fuck Norwich over too. We haven't done enough to send out the message that we're looking up and not still panicking about what's behind us. Fuck re-sale value in this case. Whether it's RM or someone else I want us to poach a rivals best player, and from under the nose of another rival, stick two fingers up and bag ourselves a goalscorer. Newcastle are throwing their weight around in the transfer window and look nailed on for top spot. We've got to up our fucking game here.

Yes from me.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on August 02, 2016, 08:00:22 PM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 02, 2016, 07:58:35 PM
In fairness there's some very good stuff from in that video, along with some defending as bad as anything we've seen down B6 the last few years. Looking at him though worries me, he's nearly 30 and looks 2 Ginsters pasties away from turning into Grant Holt.

Some nice stuff though wasn't there? The little spin and volley, plus he has this... movement thing. Movement. Hmm. I saw that once at Villa Park.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on August 02, 2016, 08:02:19 PM: Quote from: Ads on August 02, 2016, 08:00:22 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 02, 2016, 07:58:35 PM
In fairness there's some very good stuff from in that video, along with some defending as bad as anything we've seen down B6 the last few years. Looking at him though worries me, he's nearly 30 and looks 2 Ginsters pasties away from turning into Grant Holt.

Some nice stuff though wasn't there? The little spin and volley, plus he has this... movement thing. Movement. Hmm. I saw that once at Villa Park.
The ability to finish with both feet and first time, makes him unpredictable too.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 02, 2016, 08:04:14 PM: He's certainly more a full English than a croissant and juice man.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on August 02, 2016, 08:04:47 PM: So Clark/Clarke/Clakkers is on his way to the Toon?
I don't think Clark is as bad as some may think. Saying that, he's not a first choice by any stretch and 5 million is a good sum for him.

Do we need a new CH now? I think there's more pressing areas to address first, but I wouldn't be happy going into September with Lescott, Baker and Okore as potential partners for Elphick. Richards will definitely go.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on August 02, 2016, 08:05:29 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 02, 2016, 08:04:14 PM
He's certainly more a full English than a croissant and juice man.
He looks the sort who'd order the optional extras like a bit of black pudding and an extra sausage.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on August 02, 2016, 08:13:20 PM: I know the risks of forming an opinion based on YouTube clips, BUT, I was really impressed with that.

He looks like a proper striker, and a goal threat from free kicks too.

Just what we need IMO.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 02, 2016, 08:15:57 PM: Quote from: Ads on August 02, 2016, 08:00:22 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 02, 2016, 07:58:35 PM
In fairness there's some very good stuff from in that video, along with some defending as bad as anything we've seen down B6 the last few years. Looking at him though worries me, he's nearly 30 and looks 2 Ginsters pasties away from turning into Grant Holt.

Some nice stuff though wasn't there? The little spin and volley, plus he has this... movement thing. Movement. Hmm. I saw that once at Villa Park.

So did I. Some dirty get hadn't flushed.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mallo on August 02, 2016, 08:46:18 PM: I'd rather have a slightly quicker more mobile striker than McCormack like Andre Gray but I'm realistic - to hurt another team by buying him would be a good thing - don't care about resale. Him and Ayew would work well I think and if someone pours some concrete into Adamas glass legs we might be ok.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: AV89 on August 02, 2016, 08:49:48 PM: Quote from: berneboy on August 02, 2016, 07:51:06 PM
Pat Murphy confirms 11 m bid for McCormack

Might shut LTA up, though he'll find something else to whine about I'm sure.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ting Tong Tony on August 02, 2016, 08:57:04 PM: Here at Honkers Take Away

We are celebrating Ciaran Cacks move to Newcastle by having a Ciaran Clark style party, including heading an own goal without spilling your pint, slicing a pass into the buffet sandwiches, attempting a Ciaran Cryuff turn up the bar and losing possession of your Prawn Balls and the all time Clark classic, lunging two footed into someone carrying a round of drinks!

Let's all have a Wonga Conga!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KRS on August 02, 2016, 09:04:59 PM: McCormack looks like a no nonsense natural born goalscorer to me. It seems years ago since we had any one in the team that knows how to lead the line, have an eye for goal and with good movement...it would be completing refreshing to see this down at VP rather than shit effort statue that is Gestede fumbling around up front like a school boy that has just found a pair of tits. Get the deal done.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: AV5nobs on August 02, 2016, 09:05:25 PM: Quality.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 02, 2016, 09:09:52 PM: Quote from: Ting Tong Tony on August 02, 2016, 08:57:04 PM
Here at Honkers Take Away

We are celebrating Ciaran Cacks move to Newcastle by having a Ciaran Clark style party, including heading an own goal without spilling your pint, slicing a pass into the buffet sandwiches, attempting a Ciaran Cryuff turn up the bar and losing possession of your Prawn Balls and the all time Clark classic, lunging two footed into someone carrying a round of drinks!

Let's all have a Wonga Conga!

Goodbye.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on August 02, 2016, 09:23:07 PM: John Percy says we are in for Paddy McNair from Man United. Twitter. Normally reliable?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ian. on August 02, 2016, 09:34:50 PM: Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 02, 2016, 09:09:52 PM
Quote from: Ting Tong Tony on August 02, 2016, 08:57:04 PM
Here at Honkers Take Away

We are celebrating Ciaran Cacks move to Newcastle by having a Ciaran Clark style party, including heading an own goal without spilling your pint, slicing a pass into the buffet sandwiches, attempting a Ciaran Cryuff turn up the bar and losing possession of your Prawn Balls and the all time Clark classic, lunging two footed into someone carrying a round of drinks!

Let's all have a Wonga Conga!

Goodbye.
And good riddance.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on August 02, 2016, 09:37:29 PM: Good call by the management.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 02, 2016, 09:45:41 PM: Quote from: Newby on August 02, 2016, 09:23:07 PM
John Percy says we are in for Paddy McNair from Man United. Twitter. Normally reliable?

Seemed to break most of our transfers from abroad last summer so I'd say yes.

McNair showed a bit of potential at United but lost his way with LVG moving him around.

Versatile though, can play CB or right back so not the worst signing.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 02, 2016, 09:49:45 PM: Burnley and Celtic apparently interested as well as seems Manure only want him out on loan.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: berneboy on August 02, 2016, 09:50:06 PM: Quote from: supertom on August 02, 2016, 08:05:29 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 02, 2016, 08:04:14 PM
He's certainly more a full English than a croissant and juice man.
He looks the sort who'd order the optional extras like a bit of black pudding and an extra sausage.

Oh, yes please. And an extra egg?
I'll be there.

But then I'm a retired chap who exercises at the allotment so may not score too many goals.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Havencheese on August 02, 2016, 09:50:45 PM: McCormack, based on the way he celebrates scoring that penalty by booting the ball into row Z of the opposition fans, sign him the fuck up!

Yes, it's actually gotten to that stage where dropping £11m on a striker who has a bit of spark about him seems like a good idea. He does look likely at this level though, some woeful defending in those yt clips but still he's got a nice powerful shot on him, made a couple out of nothing, seems to have a good long range effort.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: themossman on August 02, 2016, 09:56:30 PM: I approve of both Ross McCormack and Paddy McNair on the basis that they sound like they could be in Roy of the Rovers c. 1960.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Mister E on August 02, 2016, 10:05:20 PM: Quote from: Newby on August 02, 2016, 05:27:44 PM
Jedinak is the leader we keep talking about. Go and get him RDM, now! Him and Tshibola as the two would be far better than Bacuna and Westwood. McCormack might be overpriced but I guess we need him.
agreed
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on August 02, 2016, 10:12:22 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 02, 2016, 05:55:00 PM
Right now the squad looks worse than last season, and I don't think playing championship teams every week is enough of a counterbalance

We need to start getting players in. Yes, it is harder in the championship but Newcastle seem to be doing it.

We keep telling ourselves we are a big club. Well we need to start acting like one. No sign of that this window yet. Here's hoping that changes soon.

You could be right but it depends on which players we're after. just because Newcastle have signed a few it doesn't mean that they will automatically better than everyone else. Dwight Gayle? If he were still at palace I doubt there'd be much clamour here for his signature. Ciaran Clark? he's been identified as one of the problems that our weak defence has been subject to for season after season. Matt Ritchie? yes, an okay winger but hardly tearing up premier League defences. I do rate him though.

The point is newcastle are not going out and buying players from the Premier league that are joining Newcastle despite lots of other clubs in the top flight vying for their signature. They may turn out to be good signings but we need a lot more surgery and players that will change us, not fit in. that takes time.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 02, 2016, 10:20:11 PM: Quote from: SoccerHQ on August 02, 2016, 09:45:41 PM
Quote from: Newby on August 02, 2016, 09:23:07 PM
John Percy says we are in for Paddy McNair from Man United. Twitter. Normally reliable?

Seemed to break most of our transfers from abroad last summer so I'd say yes.

McNair showed a bit of potential at United but lost his way with LVG moving him around.

Versatile though, can play CB or right back so not the worst signing.

Makes sense to get centre half and right back cover with Clark going, and loaning one is a good call.

Jedinak is such a no brainer for us. Get him in, along with Elphick would be a real leader on the pitch.

McCormack and Bamford would be great and mean there are goals in us, but we would still need a creative midfielder and a winger to come in
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: OCD on August 02, 2016, 10:23:27 PM: Presumably we're tiring of waiting for the Premier League players we were meant to be after and in an effort to acknowledge the urgency of the situation, are getting busy with the more attainable targets.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on August 02, 2016, 10:26:18 PM: Well Xia did say we'd be concentrating this week on getting players out and so far Guzan, Gueye, and seemingly Clark are gone or going. It doesn't appear that he was thinking of Clark when saying that but players have gone and to be fair none were in the must keep category of which you can count the number of players on one hand.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brontebilly on August 02, 2016, 10:33:54 PM: Quote from: CT Villan on August 02, 2016, 03:14:30 PM
Clark's greatest attributes are his pace and positioning, unfortunately.

Him going to Newcastle must significantly improve our chances of promotion

Clark is incredibly slow on the turn. Hard to know what his attributes are to be honest. I'd still rate him higher than our other left centre back options mind

Good move for him, if he has anything about him Benitez will improve him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 02, 2016, 10:37:24 PM: Ultimately the question of his fee will be immaterial if he scores the goals to get us promoted. The question will be can he score the goals while we remain compact as a tem? The Darren Bent adage that we'd have to play certain way to suit Bent but did it make us better overall? Fulham had his goals but they still struggled. However if McCormack comes in and improves how we play and provides the movement in the box not just so he scores goals but opens it for others it will be money well spent.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 02, 2016, 10:38:38 PM: I find Newcastle going for Clark quite an odd move on their part. He's an average CB, too slow at FB and untested anywhere else. And he's not really weakening us by going there. He's maybe weakening them.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 02, 2016, 10:41:06 PM: The chipped goal he scored from an angle in that compilation was immense. Truly think if we deal this move then he's an absolute shoe in to get over 20 goals this season
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 02, 2016, 10:43:36 PM: He does have every goal in his repetoire plus pretty deadly from set pieces.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on August 02, 2016, 11:24:05 PM: Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 02, 2016, 10:38:38 PM
I find Newcastle going for Clark quite an odd move on their part. He's an average CB, too slow at FB and untested anywhere else. And he's not really weakening us by going there. He's maybe weakening them.

Clark just hasn't developed the way any of us would have hoped really. I do think playing in poor teams has probably been a factor in that, but he has regressed in some areas, particularly in possession.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on August 02, 2016, 11:29:06 PM: McCormack supposed to be having a medical tomorrow. £14 million with extras.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: LukeJames on August 02, 2016, 11:33:50 PM: Quote from: tomd2103 on August 02, 2016, 11:24:05 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 02, 2016, 10:38:38 PM
I find Newcastle going for Clark quite an odd move on their part. He's an average CB, too slow at FB and untested anywhere else. And he's not really weakening us by going there. He's maybe weakening them.

Clark just hasn't developed the way any of us would have hoped really. I do think playing in poor teams has probably been a factor in that, but he has regressed in some areas, particularly in possession.

In theory playing in a poor team should have helped him as he's had more defending to do.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on August 02, 2016, 11:34:48 PM: The SS newsletter is carrying it now too.

Him and Ayew will score 50 goals between them.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: not3bad on August 02, 2016, 11:36:14 PM: Quote from: Ads on August 02, 2016, 11:29:06 PM
McCormack supposed to be having a medical tomorrow. £14 million with extras.

Seems to be a done deal according to News Now. Time for his own thread?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: paul_e on August 02, 2016, 11:38:07 PM: I hope I'm wrong but I really don't think McCormack is the right player for us up front, he'll score some goals and get some assists but I don't think he'll make that much of a difference to us. We still need to find some real pace so we have a threat on the counter attack, I just see Grealish, Ayew and RM all wanting to play in the same pockets of space around the edge of the box and no one dragging defenders around to create that space.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 02, 2016, 11:38:43 PM: Quote from: not3bad on August 02, 2016, 11:36:14 PM
Quote from: Ads on August 02, 2016, 11:29:06 PM
McCormack supposed to be having a medical tomorrow. £14 million with extras.

Seems to be a done deal according to News Now. Time for his own thread?

Just did Mr B
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 02, 2016, 11:40:17 PM: If they are fit and we get them in form and confident, McCormack, Ayew, Adama, Grealish, plus Amavi from LB, would rip defences at this level to shreds.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on August 02, 2016, 11:47:18 PM: I don't think we're done yet Paul, I think we're after a winger too.

I.know what you mean though, I've been banging the mobility drum, but on the bright side he will.probably score more goals than our squad did last season
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on August 02, 2016, 11:48:25 PM: If this happens. This could be the start of something big. Goals have been our biggest downfall. But with Ayew-Mcormack up top there are goals galore ......
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 02, 2016, 11:53:48 PM: Quote from: VinnieChase84 on August 02, 2016, 10:34:59 AM
Best part of Clark going is the end of seeing his name misspelled

Headline from of all places the online Irish Times

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Newcastle swoop for Colin Clark and Mohamed Diamé

You have to laugh
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: The Laughing Policeman on August 02, 2016, 11:58:45 PM: Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 02, 2016, 11:53:48 PM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on August 02, 2016, 10:34:59 AM
Best part of Clark going is the end of seeing his name misspelled

Headline from of all places the online Irish Times

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Newcastle swoop for Colin Clark and Mohamed Diamé

You have to laugh
Maybe Colin is the English translation of Ciaran and the Irish Times is pitching itself for the English readership.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 03, 2016, 12:01:44 AM: I reckon Ciaran is the English translation for Ciaran.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 03, 2016, 12:16:04 AM: According to The Guardian Colin had a medical at Newcastle today (Tuesday).

They also reckon Real Madrid are paying £35m for Sissoko. Then again they also say this, tough choice, Real Madrid, Paris or Smethwick.

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Real are aware Sissoko – who is back training with Newcastle – is also being tracked by Juventus, Paris Saint-Germain, Everton, West Bromwich and Crystal Palace but understand the player has set his heart on a switch to Spain.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KRS on August 03, 2016, 12:19:13 AM: Quote from: paul_e on August 02, 2016, 11:38:07 PM
I hope I'm wrong but I really don't think McCormack is the right player for us up front, he'll score some goals and get some assists but I don't think he'll make that much of a difference to us. We still need to find some real pace so we have a threat on the counter attack, I just see Grealish, Ayew and RM all wanting to play in the same pockets of space around the edge of the box and no one dragging defenders around to create that space.
100% disagree. I dont know much about him, but from what I've seen, he's one of those players that is capable of creating space to get a sight on goal in or around the box, isn't scared to have a shot and his movement off the ball puts him into space. We may need another creative midfielder, but if he looks as though he's the type of player that could work well with and compliment both Ayew and Grealish.

On the subject of strikers, I doubt we'll be able to shift Gabby, but it would be a god send if we could get that donkey Gestede off the wage bill.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: paul_e on August 03, 2016, 12:20:04 AM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 03, 2016, 12:16:04 AM
According to The Guardian Colin had a medical at Newcastle today (Tuesday).

They also reckon Real Madrid are paying £35m for Sissoko. Then again they also say this, tough choice, Real Madrid, Paris or Smethwick.

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Real are aware Sissoko – who is back training with Newcastle – is also being tracked by Juventus, Paris Saint-Germain, Everton, West Bromwich and Crystal Palace but understand the player has set his heart on a switch to Spain.

Can anyone explain to me how that useless pile of shite who spent all of last season perfecting the 'I couldn't give a shit' routine is going to be sold for More than Benteke went for?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 03, 2016, 12:24:07 AM: Quote from: paul_e on August 03, 2016, 12:20:04 AM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 03, 2016, 12:16:04 AM
According to The Guardian Colin had a medical at Newcastle today (Tuesday).

They also reckon Real Madrid are paying £35m for Sissoko. Then again they also say this, tough choice, Real Madrid, Paris or Smethwick.

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Real are aware Sissoko – who is back training with Newcastle – is also being tracked by Juventus, Paris Saint-Germain, Everton, West Bromwich and Crystal Palace but understand the player has set his heart on a switch to Spain.

Can anyone explain to me how that useless pile of shite who spent all of last season perfecting the 'I couldn't give a shit' routine is going to be sold for More than Benteke went for?

Release clause vs no release clause? Or maybe there is a release clause and Real have decided to start a bidding war.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: eamonn on August 03, 2016, 12:26:42 AM: A couple of decentish games at the Euros and suddenly Sissoko gets this attention? Loony.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: paul_e on August 03, 2016, 12:29:24 AM: Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 03, 2016, 12:24:07 AM
Quote from: paul_e on August 03, 2016, 12:20:04 AM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 03, 2016, 12:16:04 AM
According to The Guardian Colin had a medical at Newcastle today (Tuesday).

They also reckon Real Madrid are paying £35m for Sissoko. Then again they also say this, tough choice, Real Madrid, Paris or Smethwick.

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Real are aware Sissoko – who is back training with Newcastle – is also being tracked by Juventus, Paris Saint-Germain, Everton, West Bromwich and Crystal Palace but understand the player has set his heart on a switch to Spain.

Can anyone explain to me how that useless pile of shite who spent all of last season perfecting the 'I couldn't give a shit' routine is going to be sold for More than Benteke went for?

Release clause vs no release clause. Or maybe there is a release clause and Real have decided to start a bidding war?

I honestly don't care if there is a release clause, any scout/manager who thinks he's worth that has done the entirety of their scouting of him in 1 game at the euros.

Whenthey signed him I wanted us to get him, he looked like he could be a perfect midfielder in the premier league but the reality is he's played about 7-8 good games in 3 1/2 seasons and has coasted along taking home a huge wage for the rest of the time. If he had the desire to be a better player he'd be worth every penny but he's just a slightly more talented charlie n'zog.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: The Laughing Policeman on August 03, 2016, 12:32:14 AM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 03, 2016, 12:16:04 AM
According to The Guardian Colin had a medical at Newcastle today (Tuesday).

They also reckon Real Madrid are paying £35m for Sissoko. Then again they also say this, tough choice, Real Madrid, Paris or Smethwick.

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Real are aware Sissoko – who is back training with Newcastle – is also being tracked by Juventus, Paris Saint-Germain, Everton, West Bromwich and Crystal Palace but understand the player has set his heart on a switch to Spain.
I really feel sorry for millionaire footballers who have such difficult decisions to make as to where they would like to ply their trade.......Sandwell&Dudley or Madrid. If only I had such a simple choice to make instead of being told the government has sold you down the line now fuck off on to the dole and stop moaning. Which is exactly what I'm doing now over 30 years later. :)
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on August 03, 2016, 12:36:07 AM: Quote from: paul_e on August 02, 2016, 11:38:07 PM
I hope I'm wrong but I really don't think McCormack is the right player for us up front, he'll score some goals and get some assists but I don't think he'll make that much of a difference to us. We still need to find some real pace so we have a threat on the counter attack, I just see Grealish, Ayew and RM all wanting to play in the same pockets of space around the edge of the box and no one dragging defenders around to create that space.

I thought the same regarding pockets of space but I feel he is the right player as he's a proven goal scorer. Also perhaps that is the way villa are to play rathse than counter attack
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: paul_e on August 03, 2016, 12:46:21 AM: Quote from: Ads on August 02, 2016, 11:47:18 PM
I don't think we're done yet Paul, I think we're after a winger too.

I.know what you mean though, I've been banging the mobility drum, but on the bright side he will.probably score more goals than our squad did last season

I don't think we're done either but I think this means we need another striker as well because we need someone that forces them deep by being a running threat in behind. Amavi and Adama are the only real pace in the squad (Hutton and Gabby are quick but have no idea how to use it) and neither of them is high enough up the pitch to stop teams condensing the midfield and defence and crowding us out. If we're signing McCormack it means 1 of 3 things, there's either another striker on the cards or RDM thinks Gabby can do the job or he doesn't see it as an issue. Only the first of those 3 doesn't worry me massively. Why I'm so frustrated with RM coming in is that I'd have liked us to get the pacey, off the shoulder of the defender player in first because I really want to see how Ayew and Grealish could work together behind someone like that. Even Gestede would look a better player with someone dragging defenders away from him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 03, 2016, 12:54:06 AM: I think there will be another striker yet, maybe Bamford, to do some of that running, and then maybe a pacey wide option too on loan.

I think RDM has watched us pre season and realised options up top are sadly lacking and 20-30m investment there will sort it. If he can get a holding mid and centre half in fairly cheaply, rightly it is where the budget should go.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 03, 2016, 12:59:35 AM: Watching his goals, I think that most have not come from counter attack moves is a real positive. He is prepared to hit a ball from anywhere. I was very sceptical but think actually when teams come and sit in his movement and ability to score in general play might be worth the money.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: GarTomas on August 03, 2016, 02:09:49 AM: Quote from: Lyewho??? on August 02, 2016, 07:00:45 PM
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Quote from: The_ads on August 02, 2016, 06:41:50 PM
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If there is one thing I'll never understand with some Villa fans it's the fact they go on about transfer fees it's like it's their money. If it's £12m, £15m whatever, pay the dough and get RM in. He is a proven championship centre forward and if that's the cost then it's a drop in the ocean if he scores the goals that achieve promotion. Why is it some people bang on and on about the fee like it's coming from their account? They moan when we don't spent money and moan when we show a bit of intent

"If" he scores the goals that achieve promotion is the key bit.

I could counter what you say with why do people bang on and on about spending massive amounts of money for a second division club and not caring if it's a good investment are often the same ones moaning how shit we were run under the previous owner which all stemmed from spending money without caring if it was being spent wisely.

Do you not feel it's a good investment?

I've said a number of times over the last few pages that I think it's a very risky one and it's one I don't think is worth the risk.

Well, it's clear we need a proven striker so who would you go for?

Personally would go for Nakhi Wells from Huddersfield. Would probably cost a fair bit less than McCormack.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9E2hX0IoB_w

Im not singing with joy for Ross McCormack to come to Villa but he does know where the net is in a shit fulham team!

Not normally a YouTube fan as any player can look good on there but he seems to be comfortable with both feet and score from outside the box which is something we've not seen for a while!!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt C on August 03, 2016, 06:24:00 AM: Some utterly ludicrous fees around at the top end - Pogba, Stones, Lukaku - defining what the rest of the market is looking like. I saw on The Guardian site Smethwick are paying £15m for Sakho? £30m-odd for Sissoko who looked utterly anonymous in a relegated Newcastle side? Crazy.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ldavfc4eva on August 03, 2016, 07:13:44 AM: Not a massive YouTube fan either but he looks a natural finisher and also someone who looks decent a set pieces, so we kill two birds with one stone.

Price wise I think he is a few million over the mark if we buy at £14m but then again this is a transfer market where Sakho is going for £15/£16m and Sissoko is going for £35m after a pretty anonymous season at a relegated club, so about right for the times we are in I think.

The clock is ticking and I'd be happy to get him in now, as someone else posted we need to stop thinking that the clubs money is our money, we need to get back up so need to buy some proven and quality players. We didn't do it in January and we went down, this week we have been balancing the books so getting him in seems a no brainier.

Would love us to get rid of Lescott and Richards next and get a few more replacements in, if they are McNair and Jedinak the that's not a bad couple of additions.

Can't think who mentioned Charlie Daniels from Bournemouth but he would be a good shout for left midfield with Amavi behind him, think he was in the top 5 for distance covered last season and wouldn't cost the earth.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ldavfc4eva on August 03, 2016, 07:22:12 AM: Bid accepted according to Sky, medical today. Looks to be ours unless someone steals him at the last minute
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 03, 2016, 09:15:17 AM: Quote from: Marlon From Bearwood on August 02, 2016, 08:13:20 PM
I know the risks of forming an opinion based on YouTube clips, BUT, I was really impressed with that.

He looks like a proper striker, and a goal threat from free kicks too.

Just what we need IMO.

whats wrong with Westwoods free kicks?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 03, 2016, 09:22:14 AM: Quote from: paul_e on August 02, 2016, 11:38:07 PM
I hope I'm wrong but I really don't think McCormack is the right player for us up front, he'll score some goals and get some assists but I don't think he'll make that much of a difference to us. We still need to find some real pace so we have a threat on the counter attack, I just see Grealish, Ayew and RM all wanting to play in the same pockets of space around the edge of the box and no one dragging defenders around to create that space.

to be fair Paul . who is actually making goals and assists and are we sure the likes of Bamford would score the same amount. One month ago I would have said not RM but now Im thinking sign him up now . Get Three million for Sinclair gets a bit of the fee and hes hopeless.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on August 03, 2016, 09:32:01 AM: I think the Bent comparison's are unfair, as he does a hell of a lot more outside the box.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: paul_e on August 03, 2016, 09:39:35 AM: Quote from: JUAN PABLO on August 03, 2016, 09:22:14 AM
Quote from: paul_e on August 02, 2016, 11:38:07 PM
I hope I'm wrong but I really don't think McCormack is the right player for us up front, he'll score some goals and get some assists but I don't think he'll make that much of a difference to us. We still need to find some real pace so we have a threat on the counter attack, I just see Grealish, Ayew and RM all wanting to play in the same pockets of space around the edge of the box and no one dragging defenders around to create that space.

to be fair Paul . who is actually making goals and assists and are we sure the likes of Bamford would score the same amount. One month ago I would have said not RM but now Im thinking sign him up now . Get Three million for Sinclair gets a bit of the fee and hes hopeless.

Given I don't want Bamford either I'd agree with you on that one.

Let me try again. Our fundamental problem last season was that we were easily crowded out because we didn't have the threat in behind that pushed defenders deeper and created a gap between the defence and midfield which is where our creative players (Grealish, Ayew and Gil) wanted to operate. Because of that they all ended up coming far deeper than they'd like and then none of them has the raw pace to beat a man on halfway and break on goal. For me McCormack does nothing to address that problem so we still need to sign another striker. If we go out and do that and we fill that massive gap in the squad then RM may prove to be worth the money but if we don't then I think he'll just be another disappointing signing who doesn't give us what we expected.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: rob_bridge on August 03, 2016, 09:44:02 AM: Quote from: Ads on August 03, 2016, 09:32:01 AM
I think the Bent comparison's are unfair, as he does a hell of a lot more outside the box.

And he is nowhere near as good as Bent was in the box either. Nowhere near.

Good enough for this level though.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oldtimernow on August 03, 2016, 09:52:49 AM: A lot of money on a striker whose trajectory is most likely to be downwards rather than upwards.

If he does the job this year then it will be money well spent but I would have liked to have seen it spent on a player who is more likely to be upwardly mobile .Maybe we will get him as well?

Fingers crossed
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 03, 2016, 10:21:35 AM: Quote from: paul_e on August 03, 2016, 09:39:35 AM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on August 03, 2016, 09:22:14 AM
Quote from: paul_e on August 02, 2016, 11:38:07 PM
I hope I'm wrong but I really don't think McCormack is the right player for us up front, he'll score some goals and get some assists but I don't think he'll make that much of a difference to us. We still need to find some real pace so we have a threat on the counter attack, I just see Grealish, Ayew and RM all wanting to play in the same pockets of space around the edge of the box and no one dragging defenders around to create that space.

to be fair Paul . who is actually making goals and assists and are we sure the likes of Bamford would score the same amount. One month ago I would have said not RM but now Im thinking sign him up now . Get Three million for Sinclair gets a bit of the fee and hes hopeless.

Given I don't want Bamford either I'd agree with you on that one.

Let me try again. Our fundamental problem last season was that we were easily crowded out because we didn't have the threat in behind that pushed defenders deeper and created a gap between the defence and midfield which is where our creative players (Grealish, Ayew and Gil) wanted to operate. Because of that they all ended up coming far deeper than they'd like and then none of them has the raw pace to beat a man on halfway and break on goal. For me McCormack does nothing to address that problem so we still need to sign another striker. If we go out and do that and we fill that massive gap in the squad then RM may prove to be worth the money but if we don't then I think he'll just be another disappointing signing who doesn't give us what we expected.

sign the Bristol city striker as well Id be happy , he looks pretty good to be fair , but RDM would need to get rid of Gestede and Kozak unless RDM rates RG as he seems to rate Gabby , mcgrath help us.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cdward on August 03, 2016, 10:43:48 AM: Fast pacey strikers are no use if the majority of teams that come to VP are happy to sit deep and defend.

RM is being bought for his instant impact ability, we need to hit the ground running, forget his age, forget his price tag, forget his sell on value, he will give us goals.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: themossman on August 03, 2016, 10:55:28 AM: Quote from: oldtimernow on August 03, 2016, 09:52:49 AM
A lot of money on a striker whose trajectory is most likely to be downwards rather than upwards.

If he does the job this year then it will be money well spent but I would have liked to have seen it spent on a player who is more likely to be upwardly mobile .Maybe we will get him as well?

Fingers crossed

If you widen the scope of 'do his job' to stop us slipping into the quagmire of mid-lower table championship team, while we still have *some* credibility as a footballing force, and add the context of a poor balance between leavers and joiners this windows (so far anyway), then £12m for a proven scorer looks like less of a gamble.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on August 03, 2016, 10:55:32 AM: Quote from: cdward on August 03, 2016, 10:43:48 AM
Fast pacey strikers are no use if the majority of teams that come to VP are happy to sit deep and defend.

RM is being bought for his instant impact ability, we need to hit the ground running, forget his age, forget his price tag, forget his sell on value, he will give us goals.

We don't know how teams who come to VP will approach the game though, and of course, that's only one side of the coin. That's why you get variety. Gestede/Kozak will be the big lumps, McCormack as the goalscorer, and then a pacy striker to stretch defences and play on the counter.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: paul_e on August 03, 2016, 11:02:09 AM: Quote from: cdward on August 03, 2016, 10:43:48 AM
Fast pacey strikers are no use if the majority of teams that come to VP are happy to sit deep and defend.

RM is being bought for his instant impact ability, we need to hit the ground running, forget his age, forget his price tag, forget his sell on value, he will give us goals.

Which would be all well and good if we'd been losing to teams that came to defend like that but actually most teams last year came and played a high line and choked us in midfield.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: curiousorange on August 03, 2016, 11:20:56 AM: A striker who can score a free kick is a major asset as well. If we're playing with the likes of Grealish and Traore, this division will probably give us a fair amount of free kicks outside the box. McCormack gets my vote of confidence to try his hand.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on August 03, 2016, 11:27:20 AM: Been reading a lot on twitter about folks wanting Jedinak in from Palace. He's 32, always been bang average from what i've seen so what gives ?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: peter w on August 03, 2016, 11:27:55 AM: How about Niasse on loan from Everton - done feck all up there but came in on the back of a fanfare from Russia (?) I think. Does well and we keep him if we go up. If not then he goes anyway.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: The Charmer on August 03, 2016, 11:29:29 AM: I wonder if Nahki Wells has even been considered?

Unless I'm missing something, he seems to work hard, is two-footed, can head the ball and handle a set-piece.
. . . . and he's only at Huddersfield.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: nigel on August 03, 2016, 11:30:27 AM: Quote from: paul_e on August 03, 2016, 11:02:09 AM
Quote from: cdward on August 03, 2016, 10:43:48 AM
Fast pacey strikers are no use if the majority of teams that come to VP are happy to sit deep and defend.

RM is being bought for his instant impact ability, we need to hit the ground running, forget his age, forget his price tag, forget his sell on value, he will give us goals.

Which would be all well and good if we'd been losing to teams that came to defend like that but actually most teams last year came and played a high line and choked us in midfield.

Teams in the Prem could do that to us, Paul.
I feel that a fair few teams will come to Villa Park and park the bus for a draw and try to hit us on the break.
Just imagine Rotherham, Burton, and the like, putting 10 behind the ball then snatch a goal on 88 mins? (Torquay 1970) or snatching a goal mid first half then putting 11 behind the ball?
In these games we'll need to be looking at scoring early doors to open teams up, McCormack will give us that edge.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: curiousorange on August 03, 2016, 11:37:09 AM: Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on August 03, 2016, 11:27:20 AM

Been reading a lot on twitter about folks wanting Jedinak in from Palace. He's 32, always been bang average from what i've seen so what gives ?

He does one job very well, which is to be the dominant midfielder who shields the back four. Exactly what we need.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: nigel on August 03, 2016, 11:39:05 AM: Quote from: The Charmer on August 03, 2016, 11:29:29 AM
I wonder if Nahki Wells has even been considered?

Unless I'm missing something, he seems to work hard, is two-footed, can head the ball and handle a set-piece.
. . . . and he's only at Huddersfield.

Mentioned this guy a couple of times. Think he'd be an excellent buy.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on August 03, 2016, 11:42:03 AM: Quote from: curiousorange on August 03, 2016, 11:37:09 AM
Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on August 03, 2016, 11:27:20 AM

Been reading a lot on twitter about folks wanting Jedinak in from Palace. He's 32, always been bang average from what i've seen so what gives ?

He does one job very well, which is to be the dominant midfielder who shields the back four. Exactly what we need.

I'm really not seeing it, despite watching Palace quite a lot. Maybe 3 years ago or whatever
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: paul_e on August 03, 2016, 11:50:02 AM: Quote from: nigel on August 03, 2016, 11:30:27 AM
Quote from: paul_e on August 03, 2016, 11:02:09 AM
Quote from: cdward on August 03, 2016, 10:43:48 AM
Fast pacey strikers are no use if the majority of teams that come to VP are happy to sit deep and defend.

RM is being bought for his instant impact ability, we need to hit the ground running, forget his age, forget his price tag, forget his sell on value, he will give us goals.

Which would be all well and good if we'd been losing to teams that came to defend like that but actually most teams last year came and played a high line and choked us in midfield.

Teams in the Prem could do that to us, Paul.
I feel that a fair few teams will come to Villa Park and park the bus for a draw and try to hit us on the break.
Just imagine Rotherham, Burton, and the like, putting 10 behind the ball then snatch a goal on 88 mins? (Torquay 1970) or snatching a goal mid first half then putting 11 behind the ball?
In these games we'll need to be looking at scoring early doors to open teams up, McCormack will give us that edge.

I don't see this as being hugely different, teams will have less pace in defence but they'll still have enough to cope with Gestede and McCormack breaking on them so they can get closer to us and we have less space to play in. I honestly think that we won't see the best out of Grealish, Ayew and Veretout unless we add some real pace up front. Get the right striker in and those 3 will be far more dangerous, would help McCormack as well because that's what Dembele gave him at Fulham.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 03, 2016, 11:52:33 AM: Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on August 03, 2016, 11:27:20 AM

Been reading a lot on twitter about folks wanting Jedinak in from Palace. He's 32, always been bang average from what i've seen so what gives ?

my palace mates really rated him - they think the Prem might be too much for him now but could easily do a job for us
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: QuintonVilla on August 03, 2016, 12:02:23 PM: Alan Nixon (is he reliable?) has Tweeted "Aston Villa getting busy now. Found a replacement for Gueye"
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Damo70 on August 03, 2016, 12:06:29 PM: Quote from: JUAN PABLO on August 03, 2016, 11:52:33 AM
Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on August 03, 2016, 11:27:20 AM

Been reading a lot on twitter about folks wanting Jedinak in from Palace. He's 32, always been bang average from what i've seen so what gives ?

my palace mates really rated him - they think the Prem might be too much for him now but could easily do a job for us

Jedinak is a good player and comes across as a good character too. Its a yes from me.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on August 03, 2016, 12:18:52 PM: Quote from: Damo70 on August 03, 2016, 12:06:29 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on August 03, 2016, 11:52:33 AM
Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on August 03, 2016, 11:27:20 AM

Been reading a lot on twitter about folks wanting Jedinak in from Palace. He's 32, always been bang average from what i've seen so what gives ?

my palace mates really rated him - they think the Prem might be too much for him now but could easily do a job for us

Jedinak is a good player and comes across as a good character too. Its a yes from me.

Captain at Crystal Palace whenever he played and captains Australia as well. On that basis, him and Elphick would be a great pair to have in the locker room if he signs.

Actually, until last season where he was in and out of the team, his ball-winning stats were superb as well. Don't know how he is physically at the age of 32, but seems like there's a good chance he could slot right in at the base of midfield and provide the physicality Sanchez brings without the passing car crashes.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on August 03, 2016, 12:24:36 PM: And he's got a really good beard.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on August 03, 2016, 12:25:00 PM: Could the replacement for Gana be Bridcutt? We were linked with him a couple of weeks ago.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: avfcpg on August 03, 2016, 12:41:03 PM: Twitter still rumbling on about Ravel Morrison....I know it's only social media but he's started "following" Aston Villa FC, Grealish, Gollini...
Someone else was saying that we were just waiting to trim the squad before going for him.
(slow day at work...love a bit of gossip)..
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 03, 2016, 12:42:56 PM: Trent on VT's convinced he's coming
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: thick_mike on August 03, 2016, 12:43:20 PM: Last year was the year of the Jordans, could this year be RM central?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on August 03, 2016, 12:46:33 PM: Quote from: thick_mike on August 03, 2016, 12:43:20 PM
Last year was the year of the Jordans, could this year be RM central?

yes please

(https://s31.postimg.org/gc9d9hviv/rich.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/gc9d9hviv/)
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: glasses on August 03, 2016, 12:49:10 PM: Quote from: QuintonVilla on August 03, 2016, 12:02:23 PM
Alan Nixon (is he reliable?) has Tweeted "Aston Villa getting busy now. Found a replacement for Gueye"
He's usually pretty good. Blackburn fan I believe. They have just signed a midfielder, maybe its because we're buying one of theirs?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on August 03, 2016, 12:59:32 PM: Quote from: QuintonVilla on August 03, 2016, 12:02:23 PM
Alan Nixon (is he reliable?) has Tweeted "Aston Villa getting busy now. Found a replacement for Gueye"

He works for The Mirror. So anything he says is to be taken about as seriously as you would take a football transfer story in The Mirror.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: villasjf on August 03, 2016, 01:03:44 PM: Quote from: nigel on August 03, 2016, 11:39:05 AM
Quote from: The Charmer on August 03, 2016, 11:29:29 AM
I wonder if Nahki Wells has even been considered?

Unless I'm missing something, he seems to work hard, is two-footed, can head the ball and handle a set-piece.
. . . . and he's only at Huddersfield.

Mentioned this guy a couple of times. Think he'd be an excellent buy.
He ripped us apart when he played for Bradford.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on August 03, 2016, 01:05:01 PM: Quote from: Damo70 on August 03, 2016, 12:06:29 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on August 03, 2016, 11:52:33 AM
Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on August 03, 2016, 11:27:20 AM

Been reading a lot on twitter about folks wanting Jedinak in from Palace. He's 32, always been bang average from what i've seen so what gives ?

my palace mates really rated him - they think the Prem might be too much for him now but could easily do a job for us

Jedinak is a good player and comes across as a good character too. Its a yes from me.

Massive yes from me, as he is exactly the kind of player we need. Big physical presence, which will also help at set pieces. Signing him and another striker to partner McCormack would raise my levels of optimism significantly.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Mister E on August 03, 2016, 01:06:22 PM: Quote from: passitsideways on August 03, 2016, 10:55:32 AM
Quote from: cdward on August 03, 2016, 10:43:48 AM
Fast pacey strikers are no use if the majority of teams that come to VP are happy to sit deep and defend.

RM is being bought for his instant impact ability, we need to hit the ground running, forget his age, forget his price tag, forget his sell on value, he will give us goals.

We don't know how teams who come to VP will approach the game though, and of course, that's only one side of the coin. That's why you get variety. Gestede/Kozak will be the big lumps, McCormack as the goalscorer, and then a pacy striker to stretch defences and play on the counter.
Pacy striker? Green or Rushian HM?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on August 03, 2016, 01:07:11 PM: any sign of an elusive right back coming in yet ?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: paul_e on August 03, 2016, 01:08:20 PM: Quote from: Mister E on August 03, 2016, 01:06:22 PM
Quote from: passitsideways on August 03, 2016, 10:55:32 AM
Quote from: cdward on August 03, 2016, 10:43:48 AM
Fast pacey strikers are no use if the majority of teams that come to VP are happy to sit deep and defend.

RM is being bought for his instant impact ability, we need to hit the ground running, forget his age, forget his price tag, forget his sell on value, he will give us goals.

We don't know how teams who come to VP will approach the game though, and of course, that's only one side of the coin. That's why you get variety. Gestede/Kozak will be the big lumps, McCormack as the goalscorer, and then a pacy striker to stretch defences and play on the counter.
Pacy striker? Green or Rushian HM?

Both will be great options but I'd like an established option and then let RHM come into it more naturally. Green is more of a winger for me.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 03, 2016, 01:09:13 PM: I actually think Morrison might be worth the gamble.

Everyone scoffed at Barton, and maybe Morrison can mature a bit and actually start to fulfil his potential.

Linked with Berntrand Traore on loan from Chelsea. Another one that would be an excellent signing imo - fast, powerful and different to what we have.

Jedinak i have been wanting for about a year now. Leader. I would get Bidcutt as well and let Westwood go.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Mister E on August 03, 2016, 01:09:24 PM: Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on August 03, 2016, 01:07:11 PM

any sign of an elusive right back coming in yet ?
Would there be if he were elusive?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on August 03, 2016, 01:14:07 PM: I saw an interview with Rio Ferdinand earlier today, it was about Paul Pogba but he got to talking about how Morrison was the best young player he's ever seen, better than Pogba, Joe Cole and a few others he mentioned. I'm not sure he will ever fulfill his potential but it would be interesting.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KevinGage on August 03, 2016, 01:21:26 PM: I'd be more comfortable with a punt on Morrison if I knew that Gabby, Lescott and Richards were definitely away.

You can carry one mercurial-type, if the core of the dressingroom is a solid, hardworking one. Ours isn't.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: paul_e on August 03, 2016, 01:21:47 PM: I'd be willing to give Morrison a shot, if you watch his highlights reel he looks like a guy who should be going for 40-50m this summer not someone who can be picked up for pretty much nothing. Hopefully a year in Italy will have helped him grow up a little. It is a risk but it's one worth taking I think.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Hookeysmith on August 03, 2016, 01:26:15 PM: Surely we have someone with as much raw talent and potential already in Traore

Just need to get the fecker on the pitch
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Brend'Watkins on August 03, 2016, 01:29:29 PM: Quote from: paul_e on August 03, 2016, 01:21:47 PM
I'd be willing to give Morrison a shot, if you watch his highlights reel he looks like a guy who should be going for 40-50m this summer not someone who can be picked up for pretty much nothing. Hopefully a year in Italy will have helped him grow up a little. It is a risk but it's one worth taking I think.

It is too much of a risk I feel. The last thing we need is another half arsed player in the squad. How did he perform in his year in Italy anyway?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Richard E on August 03, 2016, 01:30:57 PM: After I had whipped him in the Employment Tribunal this morning I was talking to the Newcastle supporter representing the other side. He said they had just signed our "best" central defender (to which I replied "you have just signed "A" central defender, and "best Villa defender" was like "smallest mountain" last season anyway) , that they would walk the league and that Villa will struggle. Hopefully the Newcastle squad are equally as complacent (and that his predictions are as good as his cross-examination and Submissions - mee-ow!!)
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on August 03, 2016, 01:31:43 PM: Quote from: Bren'd on August 03, 2016, 01:29:29 PM
Quote from: paul_e on August 03, 2016, 01:21:47 PM
I'd be willing to give Morrison a shot, if you watch his highlights reel he looks like a guy who should be going for 40-50m this summer not someone who can be picked up for pretty much nothing. Hopefully a year in Italy will have helped him grow up a little. It is a risk but it's one worth taking I think.

It is too much of a risk I feel. The last thing we need is another half arsed player in the squad. How did he perform in his year in Italy anyway?

Didn't really play much, but has apparently looked decent for them in pre-season.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on August 03, 2016, 01:32:49 PM: Quote from: Richard E on August 03, 2016, 01:30:57 PM
After I had whipped him in the Employment Tribunal this morning I was talking to the Newcastle supporter representing the other side. He said they had just signed our "best" central defender (to which I replied "you have just signed "A" central defender, and "best Villa defender" was like "smallest mountain" last season anyway) , that they would walk the league and that Villa will struggle. Hopefully the Newcastle squad are equally as complacent (and that his predictions are as good as his cross-examination and Submissions - mee-ow!!)

They're obsessed.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 03, 2016, 01:39:03 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on August 03, 2016, 01:09:13 PM
I actually think Morrison might be worth the gamble.

Everyone scoffed at Barton, and maybe Morrison can mature a bit and actually start to fulfil his potential.

Linked with Berntrand Traore on loan from Chelsea. Another one that would be an excellent signing imo - fast, powerful and different to what we have.

Jedinak i have been wanting for about a year now. Leader. I would get Bidcutt as well and let Westwood go.

Linked where? Bertrand would be an excellent addition.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on August 03, 2016, 01:40:24 PM: I hope we are in for Jedinak. I've thought he is the sort of defensive steel we crave for a long while.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Mossie Hennebry on August 03, 2016, 02:10:37 PM: Quote from: TheMalandro on August 03, 2016, 12:46:33 PM
Quote from: thick_mike on August 03, 2016, 12:43:20 PM
Last year was the year of the Jordans, could this year be RM central?

yes please

(https://s31.postimg.org/gc9d9hviv/rich.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/gc9d9hviv/)

Hopefully we'll rm -rf half the squad aswell.

...I'll get my anorak
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: thick_mike on August 03, 2016, 02:39:27 PM: Quote from: Mossie Hennebry on August 03, 2016, 02:10:37 PM
Quote from: TheMalandro on August 03, 2016, 12:46:33 PM
Quote from: thick_mike on August 03, 2016, 12:43:20 PM
Last year was the year of the Jordans, could this year be RM central?

yes please

(https://s31.postimg.org/gc9d9hviv/rich.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/gc9d9hviv/)

Hopefully we'll rm -rf half the squad aswell.

...I'll get my anorak

Now I'm a Linux geek too!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: LeeB on August 03, 2016, 02:49:22 PM: Quote from: thick_mike on August 03, 2016, 02:39:27 PM
Quote from: Mossie Hennebry on August 03, 2016, 02:10:37 PM
Quote from: TheMalandro on August 03, 2016, 12:46:33 PM
Quote from: thick_mike on August 03, 2016, 12:43:20 PM
Last year was the year of the Jordans, could this year be RM central?

yes please

(https://s31.postimg.org/gc9d9hviv/rich.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/gc9d9hviv/)

And yet my shutdown -r joke a few months back got nothing.
Hopefully we'll rm -rf half the squad aswell.

...I'll get my anorak

Now I'm a Linux geek too!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 03, 2016, 02:51:39 PM: can we swap Bacuna for his brother

http://www.football-oranje.com/top-50-u21-stars-watch-juninho-bacuna/?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: paul_e on August 03, 2016, 03:01:46 PM: The little video on that link, the last touch is the familial resemblance.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Brend'Watkins on August 03, 2016, 03:07:33 PM: That's what I thought too.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 03, 2016, 03:12:50 PM: Colin Clarke officially signed for Newcastle. He'll fit in well to departed Calamity Taylor role.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: AVH87 on August 03, 2016, 03:21:00 PM: Clarkie could only manage to be picked for 15 starts last season in all our woe, I doubt we'll miss him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 03, 2016, 03:25:54 PM: He was / is fucking shit.

What a day this could be, if we complete the McCormack deal as well.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Duncan Shaw on August 03, 2016, 03:59:03 PM: Interesting what Clark said - is it a dig that he still thinks Villa aren't moving forward?

"Newcastle is a massive club so I'm really happy to be here," said Clark.

"Importantly, it is a club that is moving in the right direction and pushing for the right things, so I'm really excited to now be a part of that.

"Things seem to have progressed really quickly over the last few days but I'm delighted to have got it all done and be a part of this squad."
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on August 03, 2016, 04:00:32 PM: Its a club that has a poor squad than they did when they were relegated. Doubly so with you in the defence, you bumbling oaf.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 03, 2016, 04:02:36 PM: what did you expect him to say?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Duncan Shaw on August 03, 2016, 04:04:19 PM: Not a lot different really, but the second sentence wasn't necessary.
Presumably there's going to be something thanking us for developing and paying him for 15 years too.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Des Little on August 03, 2016, 04:06:35 PM: Players always come out with this pish. It really shouldn't be analysed or taken seriously.

Give me £60k a week and I'll tell you I support the B.lues. I really will.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on August 03, 2016, 04:11:10 PM: Quote from: mr underhill on August 03, 2016, 04:02:36 PM
what did you expect him to say?

I was going to post the same. It's the same standard line footballers always come out with when they join a new club. He's given us decent service so good luck to him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Richard E on August 03, 2016, 04:14:51 PM: Quote from: mr underhill on August 03, 2016, 04:02:36 PM
what did you expect him to say?

If he "said" anything at all. Someone in their PR Department probably wrote it.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: CT on August 03, 2016, 04:39:30 PM: Quote from: Des Little on August 03, 2016, 04:06:35 PM
Players always come out with this pish. It really shouldn't be analysed or taken seriously.

Give me £60k a week and I'll tell you I support the B.lues. I really will.

Exactly. For that money, I'll cross my fingers and tell how how proud I am and how I've heard the fans are great.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: CT on August 03, 2016, 04:40:49 PM: I've just put on SSN and the yellow ticker said....Manchester City sign forward Gabriel.....

Can you just imagine that?!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Gregorys Boy on August 03, 2016, 04:43:37 PM: I'm not sure if Clark is having a go at us more than just praising Newcastle. Whatever the case at the moment there is an air of truth to his comments, but they may not be so true come the end of the season. We have to make him eat his words :)
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: in exile on August 03, 2016, 04:46:30 PM: Quote from: villasjf on August 03, 2016, 01:03:44 PM
Quote from: nigel on August 03, 2016, 11:39:05 AM
Quote from: The Charmer on August 03, 2016, 11:29:29 AM
I wonder if Nahki Wells has even been considered?

Unless I'm missing something, he seems to work hard, is two-footed, can head the ball and handle a set-piece.
. . . . and he's only at Huddersfield.

Mentioned this guy a couple of times. Think he'd be an excellent buy.
He ripped us apart when he played for Bradford.
I'm another who mentioned him months ago.
I wouldn't hesitate a bid for him
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Witton Warrior on August 03, 2016, 04:47:23 PM: I will genuinely miss his occasional thunderous tackle and his... err... occasional thunderous tackle
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: not3bad on August 03, 2016, 04:47:38 PM: Quote from: Duncan Shaw on August 03, 2016, 04:04:19 PM
Not a lot different really, but the second sentence wasn't necessary.
Presumably there's going to be something thanking us for developing and paying him for 15 years too.

Meant to put this here.

Quote from: not3bad on August 03, 2016, 04:35:51 PM
The Evening Mail have stuck their oar in.

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-comment-would-ciaran-11700493?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: paul_e on August 03, 2016, 04:53:17 PM: Quote from: Gregorys Boy on August 03, 2016, 04:43:37 PM
I'm not sure if Clark is having a go at us more than just praising Newcastle. Whatever the case at the moment there is an air of truth to his comments, but they may not be so true come the end of the season. We have to make him eat his words :)

What air of truth? They were relegated with us and have lost the better playerd from that team. They've done an ok job of replacements but i honestly don't understand the idea that they're going to walk to the title.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 03, 2016, 05:00:37 PM: Quote from: not3bad on August 03, 2016, 04:47:38 PM
Quote from: Duncan Shaw on August 03, 2016, 04:04:19 PM
Not a lot different really, but the second sentence wasn't necessary.
Presumably there's going to be something thanking us for developing and paying him for 15 years too.

Meant to put this here.

Quote from: not3bad on August 03, 2016, 04:35:51 PM
The Evening Mail have stuck their oar in.

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-comment-would-ciaran-11700493?

Not clicking on that rag. No offence.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 03, 2016, 05:11:25 PM: Can I just say I fecking hate Newcastle. Tin pot club with mindless hyena like fans that think speaking unintelligible shit makes them better than everyone else. Rafaloution as their main hash tag and this worship of a guy who could not beat villa Sunderland or Norwich to stay up. I don't get it. Bunch of over sensitive cock sockets. I really hope they crash and burn.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 03, 2016, 05:13:10 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on August 03, 2016, 05:11:25 PM
Can I just say I fecking hate Newcastle. Tin pot club with mindless hyena like fans that think speaking unintelligible shit makes them better than everyone else. Rafaloution as their main hash tag and this worship of a guy who could not beat villa Sunderland or Norwich to stay up. I don't get it. Bunch of over sensitive cock sockets. I really hope they crash and burn.

Agreed.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: saunders_heroes on August 03, 2016, 05:17:11 PM: He's just sucking up to his new club. It's all a fuss about nothing.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on August 03, 2016, 05:21:05 PM: He's shit. Enjoy!! 5 years? Muhahaha
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Chris Jameson on August 03, 2016, 05:29:43 PM: Yorkshire Post reporting Leeds United are close to signing Liam Bridcutt.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 03, 2016, 05:31:01 PM: Quote from: Chris Jameson on August 03, 2016, 05:29:43 PM
Yorkshire Post reporting Leeds United are close to signing Liam Bridcutt.
Shame, good player
Title: Icelandic players.
Post by: SteiniJ on August 03, 2016, 06:56:48 PM: Why oh why dont our club not look at iclandic national players? Hard working rather desent players. >:(
Title: Re: Icelandic players.
Post by: Dave P on August 03, 2016, 06:58:33 PM: They are limited individually and I'm not sure we should sign 11 of them. Why not Portuguese players? They won the bloody thing!
Title: Re: Icelandic players.
Post by: SteiniJ on August 03, 2016, 07:04:27 PM: Nonsense
Title: Re: Icelandic players.
Post by: Dave on August 03, 2016, 07:23:26 PM: Quote from: SteiniJ on August 03, 2016, 07:04:27 PM
Nonsense

Who would you suggest the club look at?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 03, 2016, 07:27:49 PM: Wolves have signed one. The winger, I think. Somethingsson.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Five Villa Tattoos on August 03, 2016, 07:28:54 PM: The good doctor has tweeted a video of Ross McCormacks goals.....
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: spangley1812 on August 03, 2016, 07:30:27 PM: Alex Pritchard who Norwich have gazumped Brighton for would have been very useful and provided some missing creativity
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 03, 2016, 07:30:39 PM: I assume the reason Icelandic players were suggested rather than Portuguese, apart from SteiniJ is in Iceland, is that there's pretty much zero chance any of the Portuguese would join us. Whereas some of the Icelandic players probably would.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: berneboy on August 03, 2016, 07:35:47 PM: Quote from: Five Villa Tattoos on August 03, 2016, 07:28:54 PM
The good doctor has tweeted a video of Ross McCormacks goals.....

Yes. I that. We must have him, it seems.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: nigel on August 03, 2016, 07:38:03 PM: Diame gone to Newcastle.
Saw a thing on facebook saying we're offering Gestede + cash for Hernandez (Hull)
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: taylorsworkrate on August 03, 2016, 07:40:31 PM: Quote from: nigel on August 03, 2016, 07:38:03 PM
Diame gone to Newcastle.
Saw a thing on facebook saying we're offering Gestede + cash for Hernandez (Hull)

File under "snowball in hell"
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 03, 2016, 07:49:15 PM: Quote from: spangley1812 on August 03, 2016, 07:30:27 PM
Alex Pritchard who Norwich have gazumped Brighton for would have been very useful and provided some missing creativity

Think he is a top replacement for Redmond. Really disappointed we were not in for him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on August 03, 2016, 08:02:05 PM: Quote from: taylorsworkrate on August 03, 2016, 07:40:31 PM
Quote from: nigel on August 03, 2016, 07:38:03 PM
Diame gone to Newcastle.
Saw a thing on facebook saying we're offering Gestede + cash for Hernandez (Hull)

File under "snowball in hell"

Bloke at work reckons we're in for Jedinak and Bamford. Same file location?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: taylorsworkrate on August 03, 2016, 08:08:25 PM: Quote from: tomd2103 on August 03, 2016, 08:02:05 PM
Quote from: taylorsworkrate on August 03, 2016, 07:40:31 PM
Quote from: nigel on August 03, 2016, 07:38:03 PM
Diame gone to Newcastle.
Saw a thing on facebook saying we're offering Gestede + cash for Hernandez (Hull)

File under "snowball in hell"

Bloke at work reckons we're in for Jedinak and Bamford. Same file location?

That would be a lot more realistic.

It's highly doubtful that 1) Hernandez would be willing to drop down a division and 2) Hull would be willing to let Hernandez go, with a striker who looked woefully short of premier league class coming in as part of the deal.

I'd be happy to be wrong and it happen, as McCormack, Hernandez and Ayew would scare the shit out of championship defences. Just can't see it
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 03, 2016, 08:11:16 PM: Hernandez was worse for Hull in the PL than Rudy was for us.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on August 03, 2016, 08:11:56 PM: Are we to take it that Traore will be leaving then?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: taylorsworkrate on August 03, 2016, 08:12:44 PM: Quote from: PeterWithe on August 03, 2016, 08:11:56 PM
Are we to take it that Traore will be leaving then?

Why
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on August 03, 2016, 08:14:09 PM: Few seem to be factoring him into their likely teams, just thought I'd missed a story.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 03, 2016, 08:16:01 PM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 02, 2016, 11:40:17 PM
If they are fit and we get them in form and confident, McCormack, Ayew, Adama, Grealish, plus Amavi from LB, would rip defences at this level to shreds.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: spangley1812 on August 03, 2016, 08:25:17 PM: Quote from: PeterWithe on August 03, 2016, 08:14:09 PM
Few seem to be factoring him into their likely teams, just thought I'd missed a story.

He is never fit
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: four fornicholl on August 03, 2016, 08:28:06 PM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 03, 2016, 08:16:01 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 02, 2016, 11:40:17 PM
If they are fit and we get them in form and confident, McCormack, Ayew, Adama, Grealish, plus Amavi from LB, would rip defences at this level to shreds.
If they are played correctly and with a modicum of tactics I wholeheartedly agree.
But I cant help thinking its a big if.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 03, 2016, 08:31:41 PM: Rudi and McCormack are made for each other. They will be the front 2 with Ayew behind before long I reckon.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on August 03, 2016, 08:39:55 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on August 03, 2016, 08:31:41 PM
Rudi and McCormack are made for each other. They will be the front 2 with Ayew behind before long I reckon.

If Amarvi is fit I think we can accommodate Gestede as he will be a threat from his crosses, if not then we have to play Bacuna as he's he only other player with a decent cross and frankly, I'd rather not bother.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tayls_7 on August 03, 2016, 08:42:04 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on August 03, 2016, 08:31:41 PM
Rudi and McCormack are made for each other. They will be the front 2 with Ayew behind before long I reckon.

Why have I now got an image of two kids in the final round of musical chairs.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 03, 2016, 08:56:33 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on August 03, 2016, 08:31:41 PM
Rudi and McCormack are made for each other. They will be the front 2 with Ayew behind before long I reckon.

A diamond? I'd be surprised

The mail was making this argument but I'm not sure if gestede and McCormack are made for each other. I think RM will kill better with someone with movement
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: LukeJames on August 03, 2016, 09:03:24 PM: Quote from: Matt Collins on August 03, 2016, 08:56:33 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 03, 2016, 08:31:41 PM
Rudi and McCormack are made for each other. They will be the front 2 with Ayew behind before long I reckon.

A diamond? I'd be surprised

The mail was making this argument but I'm not sure if gestede and McCormack are made for each other. I think RM will kill better with someone with movement

I'm not sure if thats a typo, it works either way.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on August 03, 2016, 09:17:22 PM: the only thing justhead is good for is giving rides on blackpool beach and eating carrots
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Richard E on August 03, 2016, 09:18:55 PM: Don't know where else to put this randomness but Roberto Martinez is the new Belgium manager.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on August 03, 2016, 09:20:07 PM: Quote from: nigel on August 03, 2016, 07:38:03 PM
Diame gone to Newcastle.
Saw a thing on facebook saying we're offering Gestede + cash for Hernandez (Hull)

that was reported a week ago, cant see it until they get a manager
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on August 03, 2016, 09:28:07 PM: RM and RH-M are a perfect fit.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: four fornicholl on August 03, 2016, 09:36:56 PM: Quote from: brian green on August 03, 2016, 09:28:07 PM
RM and RH-M are a perfect fit.
RM RHM RDM , that's computer speak, surely? Aint no talk ive ever heard of.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on August 03, 2016, 09:42:42 PM: Well spotted Four for. The graphics of RM and RH-M are interesting. Good football sense also.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: dave shelley on August 03, 2016, 09:50:07 PM: Tell the truth Brian. You learned those coding skills at Bletchley Park.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: jwarry on August 03, 2016, 09:50:46 PM: Quote from: Richard E on August 03, 2016, 09:18:55 PM
Don't know where else to put this randomness but Roberto Martinez is the new Belgium manager.

Was just thinking the same thing, where do you put bizarre news like that?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: four fornicholl on August 03, 2016, 09:51:15 PM: I was going to add Murdoch to the post but I'm pissed and in my own little world :) Cheers anyway.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: four fornicholl on August 03, 2016, 10:01:39 PM: A- team not Rupert.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on August 03, 2016, 10:09:22 PM: Quote from: Matt Collins on August 03, 2016, 08:56:33 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 03, 2016, 08:31:41 PM
Rudi and McCormack are made for each other. They will be the front 2 with Ayew behind before long I reckon.

A diamond? I'd be surprised

The mail was making this argument but I'm not sure if gestede and McCormack are made for each other. I think RM will kill better with someone with movement

Don't think we have the midfield options to play a diamond. It would be horribly unbalanced.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: four fornicholl on August 03, 2016, 10:10:39 PM: Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on August 03, 2016, 09:17:22 PM
the only thing justhead is good for is giving rides on blackpool beach and eating carrots
So his name is Carla, who resides outside the Devonshire! Ive been there too.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 03, 2016, 10:13:25 PM: The confident Blackburn version was at times unplayable in the Championship. Would be silly to forget that. Get a right back that can cross and he might be re-engaged well.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brontebilly on August 03, 2016, 10:43:00 PM: Quote from: spangley1812 on August 03, 2016, 07:30:27 PM
Alex Pritchard who Norwich have gazumped Brighton for would have been very useful and provided some missing creativity

True, he burned it up at Brentford but has been injured pretty much since I think.

McCormack is a signing of intent, proven goalscorer at this level unlike one season wonders like Sinclair

Presume it means Ayew will be our number one striker down the middle next season with McCormack playing off him

Not sure why McCormack and Rhodes struggle to make the Scottish squad under Strachan
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on August 03, 2016, 10:54:50 PM: I'd happily keep Rudy. I like him. He's a bit shit but he's a trier and seems a good guy. He's also, given the right service, still a threat and will score goals. He'd be useful on the bench, and the option is also there to go two up top with RM.
Service is the key. Hopefully by the end of the window we sign a couple more players who can cross a ball. Grealish may get joy playing a little wider at times too. He can put in a good ball when he gets in those positions. I don't think you need blistering pace to play wide in the Champ.

Sell Kozak. Bin Gabby.
RM, Gestede, Ayew, and the emerging RHM. That's probably the best selection in the 2nd tier.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on August 03, 2016, 11:35:08 PM: Quote from: supertom on August 03, 2016, 10:54:50 PM
I'd happily keep Rudy. I like him. He's a bit shit but he's a trier and seems a good guy. He's also, given the right service, still a threat and will score goals. He'd be useful on the bench, and the option is also there to go two up top with RM.
Service is the key. Hopefully by the end of the window we sign a couple more players who can cross a ball. Grealish may get joy playing a little wider at times too. He can put in a good ball when he gets in those positions. I don't think you need blistering pace to play wide in the Champ.

Sell Kozak. Bin Gabby.
RM, Gestede, Ayew, and the emerging RHM. That's probably the best selection in the 2nd tier.

Mitrovic, de Jong, Perez, Gayle, Armstrong and Riviere isn't too shabby for this level either.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on August 03, 2016, 11:39:44 PM: Quote from: jwarry on August 03, 2016, 09:50:46 PM
Quote from: Richard E on August 03, 2016, 09:18:55 PM
Don't know where else to put this randomness but Roberto Martinez is the new Belgium manager.

Was just thinking the same thing, where do you put bizarre news like that?

Why is that bizarre? Is it coz old Whelan said he manage real madrid? ?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on August 03, 2016, 11:47:41 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on August 03, 2016, 10:13:25 PM
The confident Blackburn version was at times unplayable in the Championship. Would be silly to forget that. Get a right back that can cross and he might be re-engaged well.

Worth keeping as an impact sub. Not a starter, but he showed a times last season that he is capable of making an impact coming on in the latter stages of games. New striker, McCormack, Ayew, Gestede and RHM would give us some decent attacking options. Agbonlahor and Kozak to move on.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on August 03, 2016, 11:48:47 PM: Quote from: footyskillz on August 03, 2016, 11:39:44 PM
Quote from: jwarry on August 03, 2016, 09:50:46 PM
Quote from: Richard E on August 03, 2016, 09:18:55 PM
Don't know where else to put this randomness but Roberto Martinez is the new Belgium manager.

Was just thinking the same thing, where do you put bizarre news like that?

Why is that bizarre? Is it coz old Whelan said he manage real madrid? ?

No... Because why would he get the Belgium job? Relegating Wigan and making Everton a bit worse than they were isn't the best CV if you're making the decision on behalf of the Belgian FA.

And it's not like slightly ropey club managers haven't had international jobs in the past, but normally there is either a link between the manager and country, or a fuck-ton of money changing hands for a big-name to manage your tin-pot country.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 03, 2016, 11:52:54 PM: A mythology has built up around Martinez. Not quite sure how or why.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on August 04, 2016, 01:18:05 AM: The Martinez myth is rooted in his appearances on Match of the Day a few years ago. As soon as you ingratiate yourself with Gary and his mates - being careful to wear a shiny shirt, sit with your legs slightly too wide apart and join in with the chummy banter - you are immune from criticism. The complete lack of journalistic skill and analytical depth means that as long as you laugh at Lineker's puns you can have unlimited smoke blown up your arse whilst simultaneously making teams worse, and no one will ever mention your ineptitude. That's what I reckon anyway.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tuscans on August 04, 2016, 01:18:33 AM: Getting back to Villa transfer rumours...

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/1549614/andre-ayew-to-west-ham-brother-jordan-to-join-swansea-star-at-the-olympic-stadium-in-8million-switch-from-aston-villa/
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KRS on August 04, 2016, 02:01:28 AM: Got to be bullshit. Why would we let him go for £8m?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 04, 2016, 03:18:53 AM: The Scum also reckons Wenger is thinking of paying £15m for Jonny Evans.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: pbavfckuwait on August 04, 2016, 06:26:07 AM: The figure mentioned for Ayew might be wrong, but I have had a feeling that he will not be here on September 1st and I do not care what has come out of the club, if he wants to go we will sell. Hope Im wrong.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave P on August 04, 2016, 06:29:08 AM: Quote from: pbavfckuwait on August 04, 2016, 06:26:07 AM
The figure mentioned for Ayew might be wrong, but I have had a feeling that he will not be here on September 1st and I do not care what has come out of the club, if he wants to go we will sell. Hope Im wrong.

I agree. Keeping Ayew this season seems too good to be true.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sid1964 on August 04, 2016, 06:39:09 AM: I think that the only signings now will be a couple of loan players

Hopefully there will plenty more leaving.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KRS on August 04, 2016, 07:08:42 AM: Well if he's sold and isn't suitably replaced, then we won't be getting promoted this season. We simply can't afford to sell our best players if promotion is the target this season.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: pbavfckuwait on August 04, 2016, 07:11:02 AM: Trouble is KRS, we need to trim the squad and the ones we are desperate to get rid of, we all know who they are, appeal to no one else especially taking into account the wages Mr. Lerner Charities are us, put them on.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KRS on August 04, 2016, 07:17:37 AM: Yeah I agree and no harm in that, but I don't think the definition of trimming the squad includes selling one of the few decent players that we do have. I'd actually have no issue with him being sold as long as he's replaced with someone equally as good or better. If it does happen then it needs to happen sooner rather than later in the window. This could be a long few weeks.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 04, 2016, 07:20:32 AM: the prerequisite would be getting a replacement signed first
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on August 04, 2016, 07:25:00 AM: Quote from: mr underhill on August 04, 2016, 07:20:32 AM
the prerequisite would be getting a replacement signed first

Maybe we are already in the process of signing the replacement. McCormack?

I thought Ayew would be the first to go as he's the only one that showed anything like any form last year. Given the financial strength of the PL and the dazzling amounts crap teams are paying for worse players than Ayew, I'd be very surprised if he was still here at the end of the transfer window.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on August 04, 2016, 07:35:08 AM: I would be sorry to see him go, but only a group of supporters as punch drunk on losing (I include myself) could be concerned about losing ANY player from a team that was relegated with 17 points. The stark reality is that virtually any change can be for the better. Every time we ship out one of last year's team and bring in a new player we shrink the critical mass of the defeatist group mind set of the dressing room still alive and on display in the Boro game and referred to in Dave Woodhall's latest insightful piece.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KRS on August 04, 2016, 07:35:20 AM: To be fair, if he does go and is replaced then I'd have no issue as he's always seemed the sulky type and looks like an overgrown baby that's about to cry. The other condition to any sale is that he is sold at a level relative to other transfers and his value to us...so on the basis that he doesn't have a release clause, then if Berahino is being sold for £20m then Ayew shouldn't be sold for anything less than £25m. We should be able to do some really useful work in the transfer market with that to be fair.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: pbavfckuwait on August 04, 2016, 07:51:48 AM: This to me will show if Villa really have changed and are learning under the new set up. If Ayew gets made an offer fine as long as we get a decent amount, I would place in the 15 to 20 mill bracket, seeing as Newcastle have got well above market value for some of their dross and again as long as that is reinvested, or invested prior to him leaving.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Mister E on August 04, 2016, 07:52:09 AM: Quote from: tomd2103 on August 03, 2016, 11:47:41 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 03, 2016, 10:13:25 PM
The confident Blackburn version was at times unplayable in the Championship. Would be silly to forget that. Get a right back that can cross and he might be re-engaged well.

Worth keeping as an impact sub. Not a starter, but he showed a times last season that he is capable of making an impact coming on in the latter stages of games. New striker, McCormack, Ayew, Gestede and RHM would give us some decent attacking options. Agbonlahor and Kozak to move on.
What impact was that, exactly?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sid1964 on August 04, 2016, 07:53:11 AM: Judging by the comments on this site after the Boro game, with regards to Ayew's contribution maybe he wants away as well

Unfortunately when you are in the Championship, and a Premiership team wants you, 99% of the time you will move on, after all he wants to play at the highest level he can

if he does go I hope it is before deadline day, as we will need time to sort out a replacement for him (hopefully we wont be depending on Gabby / Kozak / Rudy, to get us through the season)
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Des Little on August 04, 2016, 07:54:41 AM: If Ayew wants to go, the asking price should be £12M minimum
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: pbavfckuwait on August 04, 2016, 07:58:32 AM: Mister E no one can argue about the lack of impact Justhead had last season, but I think from what we heard from his actions of the pitch, that he is basically a decent human being and that what was going on within the club last year may have had a more unsettling effect on him and therefore his form and confidence, than many of the other self centered new signings that had arrived, Gana for one. We forget because he came from Blackburn that he is still an overseas player and may have been subject to the Richards, Gabby, Lescott major attempt to rip the club apart from the inside, once tactics Tim fooked off.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on August 04, 2016, 08:05:58 AM: He doesn't want away though from the comments we've heard from other players.

Must be true though if it's in The Scum and on Tribal Football.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mattjpa on August 04, 2016, 08:06:01 AM: We need to take the hard line, especially with those pervert cockney sex-selling thunder cnuts. We do not need to sell him, we supposedly dont need cash and they have just pulled off the 21st century version of the great train robbery with the olympic stadium. set the price at 25m and dont accept a penny less than 23m
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 04, 2016, 08:11:05 AM: Ayew should be 15m minimum. There is no release and we don't have to sell.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 04, 2016, 08:29:40 AM: Quote from: ozzjim on August 04, 2016, 08:11:05 AM
Ayew should be 15m minimum. There is no release and we don't have to sell.

Indeed. It's one thing losing players that we have to due to clauses, it's another thing entirely selling players we don't need to.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: stubbsyandy on August 04, 2016, 08:35:38 AM: Who says we are selling?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 04, 2016, 08:43:22 AM: I posted that story two weeks ago , so think its bs.

just because they get a free stadium, does not mean they get ayew cheap as well.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 04, 2016, 08:49:52 AM: It's this first big test for Xia and RDM. Both have said he is committed and not leaving and does not have a release. There is though a nagging feeling that we might be a better team without him. Shape wise Kodjia and McCormack might work better worth Grealish at 10 than Ayew.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on August 04, 2016, 08:58:50 AM: I like Ayew but I'm still not entirely sure where he's best position is. It would be nice to get another season out of him though.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: nigel on August 04, 2016, 09:01:31 AM: Quote from: ozzjim on August 04, 2016, 08:49:52 AM
It's this first big test for Xia and RDM. Both have said he is committed and not leaving and does not have a release. There is though a nagging feeling that we might be a better team without him. Shape wise Kodjia and McCormack might work better worth Grealish at 10 than Ayew.

Interesting point.
As we all have said, 'If he goes, he must be replaced'.
So, for me, If we bought in Kodjia, then sold Ayew, it wouldn't be an issue, as we'd have two players who knocked in 20 goals last season.
We would have to get a proper fee for him, though. Kodjia will cost around £13m so that's a minimum requirement for Ayew.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 04, 2016, 09:04:11 AM: That's the issue though Clampy for me. If you said swap Ayew now for say Bamford and loan of Traore for a season, of Kodjia and a loan forward, I would take it. Ayew works hard and had some lovely moments but misses really good chances and is difficult to pin a position. McCormack coming in means we have 1 striker that will score. It would be nice to have 2. 8m is a pants pulling down job though.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Nunkin1965 on August 04, 2016, 09:04:41 AM: Quote from: ozzjim on August 04, 2016, 08:49:52 AM
It's this first big test for Xia and RDM. Both have said he is committed and not leaving and does not have a release. There is though a nagging feeling that we might be a better team without him. Shape wise Kodjia and McCormack might work better worth Grealish at 10 than Ayew.

He's a great player but I've got the same nagging feeling.
Clearly a talent but drifts out of position, gets frustrated and tries to do too much.
Justifiable I know with how the sides been playing but not sure he's a team player.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on August 04, 2016, 09:04:51 AM: I think RM and Rushian Hepburn-Murphy would produce more goals than RM with Ayew. Rushian is quick, tireless and snappy. A perfect fit to feed off Ross McCormack. We need scuff ins and scrambled goals and lots of them after the pratting about we have seen in the opposition penalty box in recent years.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SashasGrandad on August 04, 2016, 09:13:33 AM: I have my doubts about Ayew. Don't think he will do that well in the 2nd division or whatever it is called these days.

If we can get 1 or 2 to replace him - I'm not that worried.

I'm surprised people said he played well last weekend against Boro - thought he was at fault that led to at least one of their goals. Giving the ball away.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Duncan Shaw on August 04, 2016, 09:15:28 AM: Quote from: Nunkin1965 on August 04, 2016, 09:04:41 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 04, 2016, 08:49:52 AM
It's this first big test for Xia and RDM. Both have said he is committed and not leaving and does not have a release. There is though a nagging feeling that we might be a better team without him. Shape wise Kodjia and McCormack might work better worth Grealish at 10 than Ayew.

He's a great player but I've got the same nagging feeling.
Clearly a talent but drifts out of position, gets frustrated and tries to do too much.
Justifiable I know with how the sides been playing but not sure he's a team player.
This is my view too, he was deeper than the midfield for huge swathes of the game on Saturday.....
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on August 04, 2016, 09:53:15 AM: Quote from: Clampy on August 04, 2016, 08:58:50 AM
I like Ayew but I'm still not entirely sure where he's best position is. It would be nice to get another season out of him though.

I think his best position is on the left of a front three, cutting in on his right foot. Quite a few of his goals last season came from that position. If he starts the season well and scores a few goals there will definitely be interest in him before the transfer window closes.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 04, 2016, 10:46:30 AM: I think the business we've done so far is good, and this month I'd like to see us sell Richards, Agbonlahor, Sanchez, Sinclair, Baker and loan out Veretout. I'd like us to then sign a CB, RB, CM and creative right sided midfielder. I would be quite confident if we did all of that.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: rob_bridge on August 04, 2016, 10:58:15 AM: Quote from: Clark W Griswold on August 04, 2016, 10:46:30 AM
I think the business we've done so far is good, and this month I'd like to see us sell Richards, Agbonlahor, Sanchez, Sinclair, Baker and loan out Veretout. I'd like us to then sign a CB, RB, CM and creative right sided midfielder. I would be quite confident if we did all of that.

Yep - we could get another 10m off the wage bill with that lot, assuming replacements would be cheaper to maintain.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sid1964 on August 04, 2016, 10:58:37 AM: Mr Griswold if we managed to get rid / sell Richards, Agbonlahor, Sanchez, Sinclair, Baker, and Lescott it would be like the club had won the Lottery

It maybe however that later in the year, we have to play this lot in the first team!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 04, 2016, 11:05:53 AM: Controversial I know but Lescott is the one out of last seasons shit pile I would hold onto as 4th choice centre back / 3rd choice left back. I thought despite his fuckwittedness he was slightly better than some of the other defenders last season and he's another one that might be ok dropping down a division. And without his cronies around him he might be better too.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 04, 2016, 11:11:35 AM: Not sure. He's another year older and was hardly a cross between McGrath and Beckenbauer last season.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: LeeB on August 04, 2016, 11:12:04 AM: Quote from: Clark W Griswold on August 04, 2016, 11:05:53 AM
Controversial I know but Lescott is the one out of last seasons shit pile I would hold onto as 4th choice centre back / 3rd choice left back. I thought despite his fuckwittedness he was slightly better than some of the other defenders last season and he's another one that might be ok dropping down a division. And without his cronies around him he might be better too.

It might be controversial but I agree. I'd still rather Lescott at centre half than Clark.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on August 04, 2016, 11:12:27 AM: Quote from: Clark W Griswold on August 04, 2016, 11:05:53 AM
Controversial I know but Lescott is the one out of last seasons shit pile I would hold onto as 4th choice centre back / 3rd choice left back. I thought despite his fuckwittedness he was slightly better than some of the other defenders last season and he's another one that might be ok dropping down a division. And without his cronies around him he might be better too.

He was our best defender by a mile in the Bristol Rovers friendly.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 04, 2016, 11:13:49 AM: Quote from: LeeB on August 04, 2016, 11:12:04 AM
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on August 04, 2016, 11:05:53 AM
Controversial I know but Lescott is the one out of last seasons shit pile I would hold onto as 4th choice centre back / 3rd choice left back. I thought despite his fuckwittedness he was slightly better than some of the other defenders last season and he's another one that might be ok dropping down a division. And without his cronies around him he might be better too.

It might be controversial but I agree. I'd still rather Lescott at centre half than Clark.

Yeah, I think for me it would be 1 Elphick 2 New player 3 Okore 4 Lescott 5 Clark (who has thankfully gone) 6 Baker
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Gareth on August 04, 2016, 11:19:47 AM: Where Ayew is concerned you only have to look back to last summer to know that he will force his way out if he wants to go.

For me so long as he is replaced it wouldn't bother me one iota if he goes, don't see him as a prolific goal scorer & that stupid, stupid red card vs West Ham (day after transfer window shut, rejected transfer bid??) was so unprofessional.

Is he a striker / winger / number 10?

Now we have McCormack I think we need strikers who actually play on the shoulders of defenders not 2/3 of them in the hole & no one up top.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mattjpa on August 04, 2016, 11:19:59 AM: I think it looks like its going to be Elphick and Baker as starting with Okore 3 and Lescott 4. we also have Toner to try and blood in. My issue with Lescott is that when he was good he was really good but when he was bad he literally looked like a drunk dad playing football with the kids at the end of a wedding
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 04, 2016, 11:23:22 AM: Baker ahead of Okore is weird imo
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 04, 2016, 11:23:35 AM: Quote from: mattjpa on August 04, 2016, 11:19:59 AM
I think it looks like its going to be Elphick and Baker as starting with Okore 3 and Lescott 4. we also have Toner to try and blood in. My issue with Lescott is that when he was good he was really good but when he was bad he literally looked like a drunk dad playing football with the kids at the end of a wedding

Agree than Lescott was poor in some games but Baker is poor at some point in every game and it nearly always ends up costing. If we play him regularly we might as well throw the bastard white towel in now :-)
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on August 04, 2016, 11:24:42 AM: Quote from: mr underhill on August 04, 2016, 11:23:22 AM
Baker ahead of Okore is weird imo

I wonder if RDM is one of those types who is particular about having a right-footed CB on the right and a left-footed one on the left.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: saunders_heroes on August 04, 2016, 11:25:19 AM: Quote from: Clark W Griswold on August 04, 2016, 11:23:35 AM
Quote from: mattjpa on August 04, 2016, 11:19:59 AM
I think it looks like its going to be Elphick and Baker as starting with Okore 3 and Lescott 4. we also have Toner to try and blood in. My issue with Lescott is that when he was good he was really good but when he was bad he literally looked like a drunk dad playing football with the kids at the end of a wedding

Agree than Lescott was poor in some games but Baker is poor at some point in every game and it nearly always ends up costing. If we play him regularly we might as well throw the bastard white towel in now :-)

Agree with that. Baker's a car crash waiting to happen and I'm surprised he's still a Villa player.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Brend'Watkins on August 04, 2016, 11:39:10 AM: Quote from: saunders_heroes on August 04, 2016, 11:25:19 AM
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on August 04, 2016, 11:23:35 AM
Quote from: mattjpa on August 04, 2016, 11:19:59 AM
I think it looks like its going to be Elphick and Baker as starting with Okore 3 and Lescott 4. we also have Toner to try and blood in. My issue with Lescott is that when he was good he was really good but when he was bad he literally looked like a drunk dad playing football with the kids at the end of a wedding

Agree than Lescott was poor in some games but Baker is poor at some point in every game and it nearly always ends up costing. If we play him regularly we might as well throw the bastard white towel in now :-)

Agree with that. Baker's a car crash waiting to happen and I'm surprised he's still a Villa player.

Baker's more of a Dodgem than a car. He must have improved immeasurably if he is picked ahead of Okore.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on August 04, 2016, 11:43:31 AM: I knew this Ayew thing would come up sooner or later. At the moment we have no idea what he wants to do, but if he has indicated he wants out then that's fine by me

Like Gana, he was one of the only bright spots of last season but we just can't keep players that don't want to be here giving their all (that's IF he doesn't want to, or more to the point if his 'God' that's guiding his future doesn't want to of course)

NOBODY in this current squad is too good for the club and the Championship including him. But if rumours are true that we've been quoted 10-13m for Kodija then Ayew has to be in the 15m bracket - unless we've inserted yet another daft release clause
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Edvard Remberg on August 04, 2016, 11:50:07 AM: So we have:
RDM
RHM
RM
and pursuing RM

Good we aren't playing against RM
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 04, 2016, 11:54:19 AM: Quote from: Edvard Remberg on August 04, 2016, 11:50:07 AM
So we have:
RDM
RHM
RM
and pursuing RM

Good we aren't playing against RM

hopefully in a few seasons
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: old man villa fan on August 04, 2016, 12:01:50 PM: I do not understand some of the comments on here about accepting losing Ayew. The way I look at it is that we would want a better player than Ayew to replace him. Where do we get this player from and why wouldn't the other club (West Ham in this case) not be interested in this other player as the attraction of going there would be higher than coming to us. Granted you need to consider the style of player and exact position he plays.

I find it very frustrating that there are many on here that turn against a player at the first sign of interest in the media. Suddenly it becomes "f*** him, he wants to leave, let him go and he is c*** anyway".
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sid1964 on August 04, 2016, 12:12:04 PM: I read that Wyness has tweeted (not sure if that is the correct phrase) that we are after other players
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Bottom Right 89 on August 04, 2016, 12:15:06 PM: According to RDM and our Tone Jordan Ayew will be staying. I'll take their word for it and treat this West Ham speculation as BS for now.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 04, 2016, 12:18:33 PM: Quote from: old man villa fan on August 04, 2016, 12:01:50 PM
I do not understand some of the comments on here about accepting losing Ayew. The way I look at it is that we would want a better player than Ayew to replace him. Where do we get this player from and why wouldn't the other club (West Ham in this case) not be interested in this other player as the attraction of going there would be higher than coming to us. Granted you need to consider the style of player and exact position he plays.

I find it very frustrating that there are many on here that turn against a player at the first sign of interest in the media. Suddenly it becomes "f*** him, he wants to leave, let him go and he is c*** anyway".

You can understand it though at the moment, last season they were nearly all shit. I grant you though that Ayew and Amavi were far from shit. I'm of the opinion that if they did want to go, what can you do, and in Ayews case I don't think it would be exactly a Yorke or Benteke type loss.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: godzvilla on August 04, 2016, 12:21:35 PM: Quote from: sid1964 on August 04, 2016, 12:12:04 PM
I read that Wyness has tweeted (not sure if that is the correct phrase) that we are after other players

keith wyness ‏@retsub12 2h
Great to welcome Ross to AV, another Scot in the great history of the club he will make a difference. Working hard on others.#fightlikelions
...................................................................... Godzvilla!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on August 04, 2016, 12:23:06 PM: Quote from: Clark W Griswold on August 04, 2016, 11:05:53 AM
Controversial I know but Lescott is the one out of last seasons shit pile I would hold onto as 4th choice centre back / 3rd choice left back. I thought despite his fuckwittedness he was slightly better than some of the other defenders last season and he's another one that might be ok dropping down a division. And without his cronies around him he might be better too.

Depends what kind of money he is on. It's not ideal really to have one of the highest earners at the club as 4th choice in a position.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on August 04, 2016, 12:28:21 PM: Quote from: passitsideways on August 04, 2016, 11:24:42 AM
Quote from: mr underhill on August 04, 2016, 11:23:22 AM
Baker ahead of Okore is weird imo

I wonder if RDM is one of those types who is particular about having a right-footed CB on the right and a left-footed one on the left.

Think that is the case and Okore has looked uncomfortable on the occasions he has played as a left sided centre back. I rate Okore, but it looks like he is going to start as second choice right centre back. Clark has now gone, but with him, Baker, Lescott and Toner, we had an abundance of left sided central defenders.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on August 04, 2016, 12:31:14 PM: Quote from: Clark W Griswold on August 04, 2016, 11:23:35 AM
Quote from: mattjpa on August 04, 2016, 11:19:59 AM
I think it looks like its going to be Elphick and Baker as starting with Okore 3 and Lescott 4. we also have Toner to try and blood in. My issue with Lescott is that when he was good he was really good but when he was bad he literally looked like a drunk dad playing football with the kids at the end of a wedding

Agree than Lescott was poor in some games but Baker is poor at some point in every game and it nearly always ends up costing. If we play him regularly we might as well throw the bastard white towel in now :-)

Agree about Baker, but would have thought he will definitely start alongside Elphick on Sunday.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Mister E on August 04, 2016, 12:32:43 PM: RM, Ayew, RHM, Davis ... who else to play upfront. Personally, I'd like to see Kozak come good but it looks unlikely. Gestede is a busted flush as far as I'm concerned and Flabby would only be acceptable if fitter and committed.
With Green as a winger and Amavi hugging the left flank; and Grealish + new creative midfielder we should have the ammunition to score plenty of goals.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: JJ-AV on August 04, 2016, 12:35:52 PM: Isn't Elphick left footed?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on August 04, 2016, 12:37:13 PM: Quote from: old man villa fan on August 04, 2016, 12:01:50 PM
I do not understand some of the comments on here about accepting losing Ayew

I'd accept it if HE SAYS HE WANTS TO GO and the fee is acceptable, 12m plus

Are you suggesting we'd be better off keeping him in that instance? If so I don't understand that and never will.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on August 04, 2016, 12:40:57 PM: Quote from: mr underhill on August 04, 2016, 11:23:22 AM
Baker ahead of Okore is weird imo

I think it's simply a case (as someone else mentioned) of wanting a left footer on the left side. Plus Baker's already had a stint in the league of course, and did very well according to Bristol City fans i've spoke to on twatter
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on August 04, 2016, 12:57:11 PM: Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on August 04, 2016, 12:40:57 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on August 04, 2016, 11:23:22 AM
Baker ahead of Okore is weird imo

I think it's simply a case (as someone else mentioned) of wanting a left footer on the left side. Plus Baker's already had a stint in the league of course, and did very well according to Bristol City fans i've spoke to on twatter

Doing well for a team that spent the season bumping along the lower reaches of the division is not really a ringing endorsement. We'll see how he does, but I think that is his level really.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 04, 2016, 12:57:27 PM: Lescott following Leeds utd on Twitter

no idea what to make of that but its like Ravel Morrison following Villa
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on August 04, 2016, 12:58:53 PM: Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on August 04, 2016, 12:37:13 PM
Quote from: old man villa fan on August 04, 2016, 12:01:50 PM
I do not understand some of the comments on here about accepting losing Ayew

I'd accept it if HE SAYS HE WANTS TO GO and the fee is acceptable, 12m plus

Are you suggesting we'd be better off keeping him in that instance? If so I don't understand that and never will.

Way more than £12m. If he starts well, we should be asking nearer 20.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 04, 2016, 01:00:39 PM: Quote from: old man villa fan on August 04, 2016, 12:01:50 PM
I do not understand some of the comments on here about accepting losing Ayew. The way I look at it is that we would want a better player than Ayew to replace him. Where do we get this player from and why wouldn't the other club (West Ham in this case) not be interested in this other player as the attraction of going there would be higher than coming to us. Granted you need to consider the style of player and exact position he plays.

I find it very frustrating that there are many on here that turn against a player at the first sign of interest in the media. Suddenly it becomes "f*** him, he wants to leave, let him go and he is c*** anyway".

and I think he only looked grumpy because he realised he was playing with utter shite
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: in exile on August 04, 2016, 01:44:14 PM: Quote from: tomd2103 on August 04, 2016, 12:57:11 PM
Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on August 04, 2016, 12:40:57 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on August 04, 2016, 11:23:22 AM
Baker ahead of Okore is weird imo

I think it's simply a case (as someone else mentioned) of wanting a left footer on the left side. Plus Baker's already had a stint in the league of course, and did very well according to Bristol City fans i've spoke to on twatter

Doing well for a team that spent the season bumping along the lower reaches of the division is not really a ringing endorsement. We'll see how he does, but I think that is his level really.

It seems to have been for Ayew and Amavi
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on August 04, 2016, 02:05:56 PM: Quote from: tomd2103 on August 04, 2016, 12:57:11 PM
Doing well for a team that spent the season bumping along the lower reaches of the division is not really a ringing endorsement. We'll see how he does, but I think that is his level really.

You could say the same about Ayew of course. To me if a defender is getting plaudits in a struggling team that must mean he's done his bit
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on August 04, 2016, 02:06:51 PM: Quote from: tomd2103 on August 04, 2016, 12:58:53 PM
Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on August 04, 2016, 12:37:13 PM
Quote from: old man villa fan on August 04, 2016, 12:01:50 PM
I do not understand some of the comments on here about accepting losing Ayew

I'd accept it if HE SAYS HE WANTS TO GO and the fee is acceptable, 12m plus

Are you suggesting we'd be better off keeping him in that instance? If so I don't understand that and never will.

How can we expect more than 12m for a striker that scored 7 goals though ?

Way more than £12m. If he starts well, we should be asking nearer 20.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Richard E on August 04, 2016, 02:27:14 PM: Dr Xia has just tweeted reiterating that he is staying.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Gareth on August 04, 2016, 02:40:04 PM: Quote from: Richard E on August 04, 2016, 02:27:14 PM
Dr Xia has just tweeted reiterating that he is staying.
And then to say want 3-4 more in + appt exp technical director
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 04, 2016, 02:51:13 PM: 3-4 more... another striker, attacking mid, defensive mid and centre back?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 04, 2016, 02:53:43 PM: For all the scepticism you can't say the bloke hasn't put his money where his mouth is and backed the manager.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Nelly on August 04, 2016, 02:58:12 PM: Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 04, 2016, 02:53:43 PM
For all the scepticism you can't say the bloke hasn't put his money where his mouth is and backed the manager.

Also that he seems to be pretty passionate about Villa, as much so as any fan you could look at on Twitter. For good or for bad I find that pretty hard to argue against.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Edvard Remberg on August 04, 2016, 03:25:11 PM: Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 04, 2016, 02:53:43 PM
For all the scepticism you can't say the bloke hasn't put his money where his mouth is and backed the manager.
Ahh! but have you asked LTA?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 04, 2016, 03:27:35 PM: Just heard villa tried to scupper the Mo Diame deal yesterday .

just the sort of player we need ..
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 04, 2016, 03:30:02 PM: Quote from: Edvard Remberg on August 04, 2016, 03:25:11 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 04, 2016, 02:53:43 PM
For all the scepticism you can't say the bloke hasn't put his money where his mouth is and backed the manager.
Ahh! but have you asked LTA?

No sir I have no real desire to engage with him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: walsall villain on August 04, 2016, 03:31:41 PM: Quote from: Edvard Remberg on August 04, 2016, 03:25:11 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 04, 2016, 02:53:43 PM
For all the scepticism you can't say the bloke hasn't put his money where his mouth is and backed the manager.
Ahh! but have you asked LTA?
That made me wonder, what happened to SilhillVilla?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Nelly on August 04, 2016, 03:39:42 PM: What happened to Gregnash and Cooper's Injury?! And that bloke who used all the proper characters for foreign footballer's names? The H&V claret and black hole.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Chris Jameson on August 04, 2016, 03:48:51 PM: Cooper's and silhill were the same person. I've long suspected that LTA is a close relation.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on August 04, 2016, 03:49:55 PM: Quote from: Nelly on August 04, 2016, 03:39:42 PM
What happened to Gregnash and Cooper's Injury?! And that bloke who used all the proper characters for foreign footballer's names? The H&V claret and black hole.

There's a H&V wing at Guantanamo Bay that we're not supposed to talk about
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: not3bad on August 04, 2016, 03:52:18 PM: Quote from: Richard E on August 04, 2016, 02:27:14 PM
Dr Xia has just tweeted reiterating that he is staying.

These are the kind of tweets that I like.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: simon ward 50 on August 04, 2016, 04:00:45 PM: Quote from: UK Redsox on August 04, 2016, 03:49:55 PM
Quote from: Nelly on August 04, 2016, 03:39:42 PM
What happened to Gregnash and Cooper's Injury?! And that bloke who used all the proper characters for foreign footballer's names? The H&V claret and black hole.

There's a H&V wing at Guantanamo Bay that we're not supposed to talk about

What's the first rule of the GB wing?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Chris Jameson on August 04, 2016, 04:15:48 PM: Quote from: not3bad on August 04, 2016, 03:52:18 PM
Quote from: Richard E on August 04, 2016, 02:27:14 PM
Dr Xia has just tweeted reiterating that he is staying.

These are the kind of tweets that I like.

He's only just bought the club.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: rob_bridge on August 04, 2016, 04:23:21 PM: Quote from: simon ward 50 on August 04, 2016, 04:00:45 PM
Quote from: UK Redsox on August 04, 2016, 03:49:55 PM
Quote from: Nelly on August 04, 2016, 03:39:42 PM
What happened to Gregnash and Cooper's Injury?! And that bloke who used all the proper characters for foreign footballer's names? The H&V claret and black hole.

There's a H&V wing at Guantanamo Bay that we're not supposed to talk about

What's the first rule of the GB wing?

Does the Conspiracy Theorist live there? Can't remember pen name.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Gareth on August 04, 2016, 04:40:18 PM: Quote from: Edvard Remberg on August 04, 2016, 03:25:11 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 04, 2016, 02:53:43 PM
For all the scepticism you can't say the bloke hasn't put his money where his mouth is and backed the manager.
Ahh! but have you asked LTA?

Probably having a meltdown over Sakho somewhere

Boing & all that.....
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on August 04, 2016, 05:08:03 PM: Quote from: Gareth on August 04, 2016, 04:40:18 PM
Quote from: Edvard Remberg on August 04, 2016, 03:25:11 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 04, 2016, 02:53:43 PM
For all the scepticism you can't say the bloke hasn't put his money where his mouth is and backed the manager.
Ahh! but have you asked LTA?

Probably having a meltdown over Sakho somewhere

Boing & all that.....

And when the bore does re-surface, he'll no doubt moan that we've left it too late or it's not enough etc etc.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: dave shelley on August 04, 2016, 06:16:00 PM: I reckon LTA only posts when his Mom and Dad are out at work.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on August 04, 2016, 06:21:18 PM: He only posts when he can sneak into the warden's office.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: MonsXI on August 04, 2016, 07:30:33 PM: Lescott to Leeds on a free?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/08/04/leeds-united-poised-to-move-for-unwanted-aston-villa-defender-jo/
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: kieron on August 04, 2016, 07:37:53 PM: We can but hope.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on August 04, 2016, 07:46:45 PM: Quote from: MonsXI on August 04, 2016, 07:30:33 PM
Lescott to Leeds on a free?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/08/04/leeds-united-poised-to-move-for-unwanted-aston-villa-defender-jo/
Who do I have to get on my knees for to make this happen?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on August 04, 2016, 07:48:53 PM: Quote from: supertom on August 04, 2016, 07:46:45 PM
Quote from: MonsXI on August 04, 2016, 07:30:33 PM
Lescott to Leeds on a free?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/08/04/leeds-united-poised-to-move-for-unwanted-aston-villa-defender-jo/
Who do I have to get on my knees for to make this happen?

Not me supertom. I'm too tired.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on August 04, 2016, 07:50:48 PM: Quote from: supertom on August 04, 2016, 07:46:45 PM
Quote from: MonsXI on August 04, 2016, 07:30:33 PM
Lescott to Leeds on a free?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/08/04/leeds-united-poised-to-move-for-unwanted-aston-villa-defender-jo/
Who do I have to get on my knees for to make this happen?

Kahless The Unforgettable.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on August 04, 2016, 07:51:46 PM: Quote from: TheMalandro on August 04, 2016, 07:48:53 PM
Quote from: supertom on August 04, 2016, 07:46:45 PM
Quote from: MonsXI on August 04, 2016, 07:30:33 PM
Lescott to Leeds on a free?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/08/04/leeds-united-poised-to-move-for-unwanted-aston-villa-defender-jo/
Who do I have to get on my knees for to make this happen?
Not me supertom. I'm too tired.
I thought you could tie your own shoelaces?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: QuintonVilla on August 04, 2016, 07:52:53 PM: Rumour on Twitter we're still in for Hernandez from Hull. Ian Taylor also tweeted about McCormack "Proven goalscorer at this level. I know we're after another one too".
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: CT on August 04, 2016, 07:55:01 PM: Lescott to Leeds, please make it happen. Just three more toxic ones to get rid of and we can genuinely start afresh.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: OCD on August 04, 2016, 07:59:01 PM: There was talk that Premier League targets were our priority which might also point to Hernandez. Presumably we've spoken to his agent and for there to still be talk, maybe he is prepared to step down a league?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 04, 2016, 08:01:05 PM: John Percy has written in the Telegraph tonight than Lescott could go to Leeds on a free and we're still in for Hernandez from Hull.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on August 04, 2016, 08:15:51 PM: http://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/hull-city-s-curtis-davies-poses-for-squad-photo-with-only-nine-players/story-29585772-detail/story.html we could do a deal with them swap Hernandez for Rudy, Lescott, Richards, Agbonlahor, and Branca. Problem solved ;)
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on August 04, 2016, 08:16:57 PM: Percy usually good value. Lescott I reckon, was always going to negotiate a free, shame he can't go state side. Would like Hernandez too. We must be sizing up another centre back too I would have thought.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on August 04, 2016, 08:18:38 PM: Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on August 04, 2016, 08:15:51 PM
http://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/hull-city-s-curtis-davies-poses-for-squad-photo-with-only-nine-players/story-29585772-detail/story.html we could do a deal with them swap Hernandez for Rudy, Lescott, Richards, Agbonlahor, and Branca. Problem solved ;)

Joking apart, Richards might just turn out to be type of panic buy they go for. Ask them for Hernandez in return?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 04, 2016, 08:32:54 PM: Quote from: N'ZMAV on August 04, 2016, 08:01:05 PM
John Percy has written in the Telegraph tonight than Lescott could go to Leeds on a free and we're still in for Hernandez from Hull.

Although he also says he can't see him dropping a division
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: OCD on August 04, 2016, 10:10:46 PM: One week from starting their season against the defending champions and they have no manager and only 9 fit squad players...what a mess that is.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 04, 2016, 10:15:57 PM: That is really bad. Offer them Rudy, Richards and Gabby plus 5m for Hernandez. A giraffe and and a couple versatile lazy shit bags. Ideal.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on August 04, 2016, 11:06:12 PM: Manchester United Bastian Schweinsteiger is not happy with Mourinho's treatment. Worth a cheeky 12 months loans bid.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 04, 2016, 11:10:33 PM: Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on August 04, 2016, 11:06:12 PM
Manchester United Bastian Schweinsteiger is not happy with Mourinho's treatment. Worth a cheeky 12 months loans bid.

Not likely, but would be a great signing. Would also put a cheeky enquiry in for Young (would be awesome in the Championship) and Januzai.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Gregorys Boy on August 05, 2016, 01:02:19 AM: Quote from: ozzjim on August 04, 2016, 10:15:57 PM
That is really bad. Offer them Rudy, Richards and Gabby plus 5m for Hernandez. A giraffe and and a couple versatile lazy shit bags. Ideal.

Two out of three of those I agree with. Think Rudy is getting a bad rap from some. He had a decent season last year considering it was his first in the top flight. Think he has a lot of the qualities to do well in the Championsip.

Hernandez would be a good signing I think. Always seem to be impressed with him whenever I've seen him. Whether we need another striker or not may actually depend on if Ayew stays or goes.

The center of defence and midfield is where I think we most need to strengthen now.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 05, 2016, 09:05:10 AM: looks like Sanchez is on his way and Sinclair.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 05, 2016, 09:10:47 AM: Quote from: mr underhill on August 05, 2016, 09:05:10 AM
looks like Sanchez is on his way and Sinclair.

Where's this reported?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 05, 2016, 09:15:33 AM: Fair few places by looks of it. Fiorentina want him on loan.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Lescottstweets on August 05, 2016, 09:22:11 AM: Quote from: CT on August 04, 2016, 07:55:01 PM
Lescott to Leeds, please make it happen. Just three more toxic ones to get rid of and we can genuinely start afresh.
Of all the teams he could go to I would be so happy if he went to Leeds, cant stand them and their scummy fans.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: DB on August 05, 2016, 09:29:19 AM: Sinclair is travelling up there in his C5, let's hope he does not crash...we have to start all over again. Run-time error.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 05, 2016, 09:55:49 AM: Ok cool. Well normally I wouldn't advocate a mass turnover of players, but in our case it's essential for two reasons. Firstly most of our players are shite, so we need better ones and secondly the only way to change the deep rooted losing mentality at the club is to get rid of those negative voices.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on August 05, 2016, 10:23:05 AM: The Hull striker has a 12 millions (euros) buy out clause.

http://readastonvilla.com/2016/08/05/aston-villa-target-release-clause-revealed/
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 05, 2016, 10:31:33 AM: can't see us meeting that - Bamford on loan more likely?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dr Butler on August 05, 2016, 10:42:24 AM: Quote from: mr underhill on August 05, 2016, 10:31:33 AM
can't see us meeting that - Bamford on loan more likely?

what makes you think that ? we have got Ross in for a similar amount...12 million euros is just about over £10 million

UTV
The Doc
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Gareth on August 05, 2016, 10:43:46 AM: Sure if RDM wants him the release clause won't be a problem, persuading the player to drop back into Championship might be :-)
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: rob_bridge on August 05, 2016, 10:44:52 AM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 05, 2016, 09:55:49 AM
Ok cool. Well normally I wouldn't advocate a mass turnover of players, but in our case it's essential for two reasons. Firstly most of our players are shite, so we need better ones and secondly the only way to change the deep rooted losing mentality at the club is to get rid of those negative voices.

Correct

And it's exactly what happened last time we were in this predicament.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: maidstonevillain on August 05, 2016, 10:48:07 AM: Quote from: Dr Butler on August 05, 2016, 10:42:24 AM
Quote from: mr underhill on August 05, 2016, 10:31:33 AM
can't see us meeting that - Bamford on loan more likely?

what makes you think that ? we have got Ross in for a similar amount...12 million euros is just about over £10 million

UTV
The Doc

If it doesn't go through we can blame Brexit.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Richard E on August 05, 2016, 10:50:34 AM: Quote from: Gareth on August 05, 2016, 10:43:46 AM
Sure if RDM wants him the release clause won't be a problem, persuading the player to drop back into Championship might be :-)

<Insert tired "joke" about "bidding war" of your choice here.>
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 05, 2016, 10:50:43 AM: Quote from: TheMalandro on August 05, 2016, 10:23:05 AM
The Hull striker has a 12 millions (euros) buy out clause.

http://readastonvilla.com/2016/08/05/aston-villa-target-release-clause-revealed/

In that case I think we have a good chance of getting him. Relegation with a rapidly imploding Hull, or winning a title with a resurgent Villa. Chance to play for a much bigger club. Would be a excellent signing.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on August 05, 2016, 10:57:59 AM: Perversely I get more of a buzz out of seeing us get rid of one of the prime culprits for our humiliation last season than seeing a new player come in. Bit like removing a tapeworm.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: andyh on August 05, 2016, 10:58:04 AM: Brizzl City have signed a new striker (no:9) from Chelsea on loan for 12 months.

https://twitter.com/SquawkaNews

Will this pave the way for Kodija to move on ?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Richard E on August 05, 2016, 11:03:29 AM: Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on August 05, 2016, 10:50:43 AM
Quote from: TheMalandro on August 05, 2016, 10:23:05 AM
The Hull striker has a 12 millions (euros) buy out clause.

http://readastonvilla.com/2016/08/05/aston-villa-target-release-clause-revealed/

In that case I think we have a good chance of getting him. Relegation with a rapidly imploding Hull, or winning a title with a resurgent Villa. Chance to play for a much bigger club. Would be a excellent signing.

I suspect it will come down to which of us will offer him the most wages.

Also, I always think that any "revelation" of the amount of a release clause is a "come and get me" plea.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: in exile on August 05, 2016, 11:05:12 AM: Quote from: andyh on August 05, 2016, 10:58:04 AM
Brizzl City have signed a new striker (no:9) from Chelsea on loan for 12 months.

https://twitter.com/SquawkaNews

Will this pave the way for Kodija to move on ?
Yes please
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: AVH87 on August 05, 2016, 11:20:44 AM: Quote from: brian green on August 05, 2016, 10:57:59 AM
Perversely I get more of a buzz out of seeing us get rid of one of the prime culprits for our humiliation last season than seeing a new player come in. Bit like removing a tapeworm.

I'm the same, it's bizarre. Guzan/Richards/Gabby/anyone from that ilk leaving comes as better news to me than signing almost anyone.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Gareth on August 05, 2016, 11:28:40 AM: Quote from: andyh on August 05, 2016, 10:58:04 AM
Brizzl City have signed a new striker (no:9) from Chelsea on loan for 12 months.

https://twitter.com/SquawkaNews

Will this pave the way for Kodija to move on ?

Would guess that is similar to when they signed Robinson on loan last season, a youngster as back up - had they loaned Solanke it might be different as he looks ready to be a starter somewhere
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on August 05, 2016, 12:11:57 PM: Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on August 05, 2016, 10:50:43 AM
Quote from: TheMalandro on August 05, 2016, 10:23:05 AM
The Hull striker has a 12 millions (euros) buy out clause.

http://readastonvilla.com/2016/08/05/aston-villa-target-release-clause-revealed/

In that case I think we have a good chance of getting him. Relegation with a rapidly imploding Hull, or winning a title with a resurgent Villa. Chance to play for a much bigger club. Would be a excellent signing.

What does Hernandez add exactly?

Unless I've missed something his last couple of seasons are identical to Gestede, 20 odd in the Championship but 5 or so in the Premier League. Even his time at Palermo gave similar results - plenty of goals in Serie B, hardly any in the higher division.

I'm all for "let's worry about the league above when we actually get there", but I'd question the wisdom of spending £10m on something that the evidence suggests we have in our squad already.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: LeeB on August 05, 2016, 12:20:32 PM: Quote from: Dave on August 05, 2016, 12:11:57 PM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on August 05, 2016, 10:50:43 AM
Quote from: TheMalandro on August 05, 2016, 10:23:05 AM
The Hull striker has a 12 millions (euros) buy out clause.

http://readastonvilla.com/2016/08/05/aston-villa-target-release-clause-revealed/

In that case I think we have a good chance of getting him. Relegation with a rapidly imploding Hull, or winning a title with a resurgent Villa. Chance to play for a much bigger club. Would be a excellent signing.

What does Hernandez add exactly?

Unless I've missed something his last couple of seasons are identical to Gestede, 20 odd in the Championship but 5 or so in the Premier League. Even his time at Palermo gave similar results - plenty of goals in Serie B, hardly any in the higher division.

I'm all for "let's worry about the league above when we actually get there", but I'd question the wisdom of spending £10m on something that the evidence suggests we have in our squad already.

I've not seen much of him but from what I have, he at least appears to be able to play football, which gives him a head start over Gestede.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: rob_bridge on August 05, 2016, 12:21:05 PM: Quote from: Dave on August 05, 2016, 12:11:57 PM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on August 05, 2016, 10:50:43 AM
Quote from: TheMalandro on August 05, 2016, 10:23:05 AM
The Hull striker has a 12 millions (euros) buy out clause.

http://readastonvilla.com/2016/08/05/aston-villa-target-release-clause-revealed/

In that case I think we have a good chance of getting him. Relegation with a rapidly imploding Hull, or winning a title with a resurgent Villa. Chance to play for a much bigger club. Would be a excellent signing.

What does Hernandez add exactly?

Unless I've missed something his last couple of seasons are identical to Gestede, 20 odd in the Championship but 5 or so in the Premier League. Even his time at Palermo gave similar results - plenty of goals in Serie B, hardly any in the higher division.

I'm all for "let's worry about the league above when we actually get there", but I'd question the wisdom of spending £10m on something that the evidence suggests we have in our squad already.

Must admit - looking in cold light of day to agree.

Not sure why trade Gestede for him
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on August 05, 2016, 12:21:10 PM: Quote from: Dave on August 05, 2016, 12:11:57 PM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on August 05, 2016, 10:50:43 AM
Quote from: TheMalandro on August 05, 2016, 10:23:05 AM
The Hull striker has a 12 millions (euros) buy out clause.

http://readastonvilla.com/2016/08/05/aston-villa-target-release-clause-revealed/

In that case I think we have a good chance of getting him. Relegation with a rapidly imploding Hull, or winning a title with a resurgent Villa. Chance to play for a much bigger club. Would be a excellent signing.

What does Hernandez add exactly?

Unless I've missed something his last couple of seasons are identical to Gestede, 20 odd in the Championship but 5 or so in the Premier League. Even his time at Palermo gave similar results - plenty of goals in Serie B, hardly any in the higher division.

I'm all for "let's worry about the league above when we actually get there", but I'd question the wisdom of spending £10m on something that the evidence suggests we have in our squad already.

Yeah, even the Youtube videos make him look like a guy who stands around waiting for the ball to come to him so he can put in the net. Which is a good attribute to have obviously, but that shouldn't be our main priority with McCormack in the fold. That much money should be able to get a midfielder capable of dominating the Championship.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: rougegorge on August 05, 2016, 12:27:50 PM: Quote from: LeeB on August 05, 2016, 12:20:32 PM
Quote from: Dave on August 05, 2016, 12:11:57 PM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on August 05, 2016, 10:50:43 AM
Quote from: TheMalandro on August 05, 2016, 10:23:05 AM
The Hull striker has a 12 millions (euros) buy out clause.

http://readastonvilla.com/2016/08/05/aston-villa-target-release-clause-revealed/

In that case I think we have a good chance of getting him. Relegation with a rapidly imploding Hull, or winning a title with a resurgent Villa. Chance to play for a much bigger club. Would be a excellent signing.

What does Hernandez add exactly?

Unless I've missed something his last couple of seasons are identical to Gestede, 20 odd in the Championship but 5 or so in the Premier League. Even his time at Palermo gave similar results - plenty of goals in Serie B, hardly any in the higher division.

I'm all for "let's worry about the league above when we actually get there", but I'd question the wisdom of spending £10m on something that the evidence suggests we have in our squad already.

I've not seen much of him but from what I have, he at least appears to be able to play football, which gives him a head start over Gestede.

I agree; not the same type of player and his international record for a top tier country (11 goals in 27) would make him a cut above Gestede.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on August 05, 2016, 12:40:38 PM: I'd rather spend £8 million on Kodjia, looks very quick and mobile.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Brend'Watkins on August 05, 2016, 12:51:25 PM: I'm with you on that. Pace up top is what we need.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Hookeysmith on August 05, 2016, 12:55:52 PM: Quote from: Bren'd on August 05, 2016, 12:51:25 PM
I'm with you on that. Pace up top is what we need.

agreed - lets get it done
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on August 05, 2016, 12:56:55 PM: I agree with the posts above.Kodjia is good bet
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 05, 2016, 01:20:22 PM: they wouldn't sell for 8m, I read the price quoted to us was £13m
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 05, 2016, 01:44:19 PM: we need a Andy Cole type with RMup front - so Kodjia ticks the box for me even thou hes a happy shopper version ;)
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on August 05, 2016, 01:46:44 PM: The only problem with Kodjia is his age.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 05, 2016, 01:47:33 PM: Quote from: mr underhill on August 05, 2016, 01:20:22 PM
they wouldn't sell for 8m, I read the price quoted to us was £13m

8m and gabby and Bacuna . ( if only )
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Des Little on August 05, 2016, 01:49:29 PM: Quote from: JUAN PABLO on August 05, 2016, 01:47:33 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on August 05, 2016, 01:20:22 PM
they wouldn't sell for 8m, I read the price quoted to us was £13m

8m and gabby and Bacuna . ( if only )

If we offered that, they'd accept the £8m.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 05, 2016, 01:54:17 PM: Hernandez is not slow and is only 25. I think if RDM has identified him and Ayew to play up top with McCormack in behind there could be some fun games coming. Add in Grealish, Green, Traore and Gestede we should have the firepower to get up.

Kodjia looks a decent backup plan, but I am sure some decent scouting could find a Kodjia, or Hernandez for that matter, for half the price in Europe.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oldtimernow on August 05, 2016, 02:25:30 PM: Quote from: Dave on August 05, 2016, 12:11:57 PM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on August 05, 2016, 10:50:43 AM
Quote from: TheMalandro on August 05, 2016, 10:23:05 AM
The Hull striker has a 12 millions (euros) buy out clause.

http://readastonvilla.com/2016/08/05/aston-villa-target-release-clause-revealed/

In that case I think we have a good chance of getting him. Relegation with a rapidly imploding Hull, or winning a title with a resurgent Villa. Chance to play for a much bigger club. Would be a excellent signing.

What does Hernandez add exactly?

Unless I've missed something his last couple of seasons are identical to Gestede, 20 odd in the Championship but 5 or so in the Premier League. Even his time at Palermo gave similar results - plenty of goals in Serie B, hardly any in the higher division.

I'm all for "let's worry about the league above when we actually get there", but I'd question the wisdom of spending £10m on something that the evidence suggests we have in our squad already.

Can he move?

that must be an upgrade
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 05, 2016, 02:26:39 PM: bacuna no 7 and gabby no 11 squad numbers

disappointing
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: The_ads on August 05, 2016, 02:28:31 PM: Quote from: TheMalandro on August 05, 2016, 01:46:44 PM
The only problem with Kodjia is his age.

What? 26?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 05, 2016, 02:30:18 PM: Quote from: JUAN PABLO on August 05, 2016, 02:26:39 PM
bacuna no 7 and gabby no 11 squad numbers

disappointing

they can still leave so I wouldnt panic :)
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on August 05, 2016, 02:30:41 PM: I hope that is just for marketing reasons. "We don't really want to let them go". Narf Narf.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: The_ads on August 05, 2016, 02:35:48 PM: Quote from: JUAN PABLO on August 05, 2016, 02:26:39 PM
bacuna no 7 and gabby no 11 squad numbers

disappointing

😂
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Diablo on August 05, 2016, 02:39:45 PM: Quote from: JUAN PABLO on August 05, 2016, 02:26:39 PM
bacuna no 7 and gabby no 11 squad numbers

disappointing

FFS
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tuscans on August 05, 2016, 02:40:23 PM: When was the last time you saw a team play with with 1 -11 on the pitch. It's virtually meaningless and people will still make a drama about it.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: The_ads on August 05, 2016, 02:41:21 PM: Just knew they'd be some kind of mental comment about numbers on shirts.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: avfcpg on August 05, 2016, 02:44:09 PM: Quote from: Tuscans on August 05, 2016, 02:40:23 PM
When was the last time you saw a team play with with 1 -11 on the pitch. It's virtually meaningless and people will still make a drama about it.
Quite...McCormack 44 Amavi 23 Jack 40 Hutton 21. So there's 4 probable starters.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dr Butler on August 05, 2016, 02:47:14 PM: Quote from: avfcpg on August 05, 2016, 02:44:09 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on August 05, 2016, 02:40:23 PM
When was the last time you saw a team play with with 1 -11 on the pitch. It's virtually meaningless and people will still make a drama about it.
Quite...McCormack 44 Amavi 23 Jack 40 Hutton 21. So there's 4 probable starters.

I'm hoping those are the number of goals McCormack scores this season :)

UTV
The Doc
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Richard E on August 05, 2016, 03:03:23 PM: The worst thing about the squad numbers is the actual physical numbers on the back of the shirts. They look awful.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on August 05, 2016, 03:20:21 PM: Roman numerals would be much better. McCormack VIL for starters.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: berneboy on August 05, 2016, 03:23:10 PM: RDM's press conference: RDM confirmed 'We have three bids out'.

More movement very clearly possible.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on August 05, 2016, 03:35:07 PM: Very happy to hear about the 3 bids, hopefully in the positions we are pretty desperate for. A bit disappointed to still have Dontgiveafucklahor still in the squad, no one is going to take that cancer.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Axl Rose on August 05, 2016, 03:41:31 PM: Quote from: JUAN PABLO on August 05, 2016, 02:26:39 PM
bacuna no 7 and gabby no 11 squad numbers

disappointing

Surely no? Fuck both of them. Can we wish injury on them both? Is that a bit harsh?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Gareth on August 05, 2016, 03:43:52 PM: Quote from: aj2k77 on August 05, 2016, 03:35:07 PM
Very happy to hear about the 3 bids, hopefully in the positions we are pretty desperate for. A bit disappointed to still have Dontgiveafucklahor still in the squad, no one is going to take that cancer.

Cancer is a terrible way to describe what is 'only' a footballer who isn't good enough!

He was never going to be a priority signing for any club that can afford him, a Prem team who hasn't secured their main targets might take a punt in last few days of window
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: chrisw1 on August 05, 2016, 03:49:27 PM: Quote from: Gareth on August 05, 2016, 03:43:52 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on August 05, 2016, 03:35:07 PM
Very happy to hear about the 3 bids, hopefully in the positions we are pretty desperate for. A bit disappointed to still have Dontgiveafucklahor still in the squad, no one is going to take that cancer.

Cancer is a terrible way to describe what is 'only' a footballer who isn't good enough!

I agree. The rhetoric on this site has gone really over the top.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on August 05, 2016, 04:07:35 PM: Quote from: The_ads on August 05, 2016, 02:28:31 PM
Quote from: TheMalandro on August 05, 2016, 01:46:44 PM
The only problem with Kodjia is his age.

What? 26?

My mistake, I thought he was an old Kodjia
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: AnsellsVillaman on August 05, 2016, 04:09:12 PM: Quote from: brian green on August 05, 2016, 03:20:21 PM
Roman numerals would be much better. McCormack VIL for starters.

Come along, chaps. Who's going to be first in with Gabby XXL?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Small Rodent on August 05, 2016, 04:13:37 PM: Quote from: TheMalandro on August 05, 2016, 04:07:35 PM
Quote from: The_ads on August 05, 2016, 02:28:31 PM
Quote from: TheMalandro on August 05, 2016, 01:46:44 PM
The only problem with Kodjia is his age.

What? 26?

My mistake, I thought he was an old Kodjia

Good lord!!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: stuart r on August 05, 2016, 04:15:38 PM: Sinclair has gone to Celtic... This piece of news came to me via George Galloway on twitter
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: chrisw1 on August 05, 2016, 04:16:56 PM: Quote from: TheMalandro on August 05, 2016, 04:07:35 PM
Quote from: The_ads on August 05, 2016, 02:28:31 PM
Quote from: TheMalandro on August 05, 2016, 01:46:44 PM
The only problem with Kodjia is his age.

What? 26?

My mistake, I thought he was an old Kodjia
Nice set up, very good!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SirSteveUK on August 05, 2016, 04:19:03 PM: Quote from: TheMalandro on August 05, 2016, 04:07:35 PM
Quote from: The_ads on August 05, 2016, 02:28:31 PM
Quote from: TheMalandro on August 05, 2016, 01:46:44 PM
The only problem with Kodjia is his age.

What? 26?

My mistake, I thought he was an old Kodjia

*doffs hat*
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Richard E on August 05, 2016, 04:21:54 PM: Quote from: chrisw1 on August 05, 2016, 03:49:27 PM
Quote from: Gareth on August 05, 2016, 03:43:52 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on August 05, 2016, 03:35:07 PM
Very happy to hear about the 3 bids, hopefully in the positions we are pretty desperate for. A bit disappointed to still have Dontgiveafucklahor still in the squad, no one is going to take that cancer.

Cancer is a terrible way to describe what is 'only' a footballer who isn't good enough!

I agree. The rhetoric on this site has gone really over the top.

Quite. Some of the language used on this site is literally worse than mass murder.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: TB on August 05, 2016, 04:23:04 PM: Quote from: brian green on August 05, 2016, 03:20:21 PM
Roman numerals would be much better. McCormack VIL for starters.

And a poll for 'player most deserving of shirt number 504'...
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 05, 2016, 04:26:06 PM: Another great day.

Lescott told he can bog off on a free (lets hope some mug in the MLS takes that up). Sinclair off for more than paid for him. Sanchez off, and possibly we even get a fee. Three more malingerers off the wage bill.

Three bids in for players, with luck a midfielder, a striker and a fullback. All good stuff.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Nelson Lodge on August 05, 2016, 04:28:17 PM: Quote from: berneboy on August 05, 2016, 03:23:10 PM
RDM's press conference: RDM confirmed 'We have three bids out'.

More movement very clearly possible.

Any mention of getting players in on Loan?

Are the EFL rules for loan players in the Championsip different to those for the Premier? I could not find any definitive answer by googling.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Brend'Watkins on August 05, 2016, 04:29:14 PM: Quote from: Small Rodent on August 05, 2016, 04:13:37 PM
Quote from: TheMalandro on August 05, 2016, 04:07:35 PM
Quote from: The_ads on August 05, 2016, 02:28:31 PM
Quote from: TheMalandro on August 05, 2016, 01:46:44 PM
The only problem with Kodjia is his age.

What? 26?

My mistake, I thought he was an old Kodjia

Good lord!!
Quite.

I was going to mention that we should be able to Kodjia a deal to together but though better of it.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tuscans on August 05, 2016, 04:32:55 PM: Do we think the 3 bids are for the 3 names mentioned in the press today ... Kodjia, Hernandez and McNair? Or one or 2 different names?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 05, 2016, 04:37:06 PM: Quote from: Tuscans on August 05, 2016, 04:32:55 PM
Do we think the 3 bids are for the 3 names mentioned in the press today ... Kodjia, Hernandez and McNair? Or one or 2 different names?

At least one must be a midfielder I'd guess, but not seen any links to midfielders. Hope De Laat is one of them, versatile and has been linked this week.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tuscans on August 05, 2016, 04:41:54 PM: Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on August 05, 2016, 04:37:06 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on August 05, 2016, 04:32:55 PM
Do we think the 3 bids are for the 3 names mentioned in the press today ... Kodjia, Hernandez and McNair? Or one or 2 different names?

At least one must be a midfielder I'd guess, but not seen any links to midfielders. Hope De Laat is one of them, versatile and has been linked this week.
Yeah I don't think we're after another forward to be honest after McCormack unless Bristol do accept £7 million plus for Kodjia. We must have made some enquiries on a few centre mids ... I hope we have.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on August 05, 2016, 04:43:34 PM: Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on August 05, 2016, 04:37:06 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on August 05, 2016, 04:32:55 PM
Do we think the 3 bids are for the 3 names mentioned in the press today ... Kodjia, Hernandez and McNair? Or one or 2 different names?

At least one must be a midfielder I'd guess, but not seen any links to midfielders. Hope De Laat is one of them, versatile and has been linked this week.

De Laat would be a good signing.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: not3bad on August 05, 2016, 04:49:33 PM: Quote from: Richard E on August 05, 2016, 04:21:54 PM
Quote from: chrisw1 on August 05, 2016, 03:49:27 PM
Quote from: Gareth on August 05, 2016, 03:43:52 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on August 05, 2016, 03:35:07 PM
Very happy to hear about the 3 bids, hopefully in the positions we are pretty desperate for. A bit disappointed to still have Dontgiveafucklahor still in the squad, no one is going to take that cancer.

Cancer is a terrible way to describe what is 'only' a footballer who isn't good enough!

I agree. The rhetoric on this site has gone really over the top.

Quite. Some of the language used on this site is literally worse than mass murder.

It's not that bad. Adolf Hitler wouldn't be this melodramatic.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: in exile on August 05, 2016, 04:52:02 PM: From Sky Sports Transfer Centre -
CELTIC MAKE SINCLAIR APPROACH
Celtic have made a fresh approach for Aston Villa forward Scott Sinclair, manager Roberto Di Matteo has confirmed
The Villa boss, speaking ahead of the club’s Championship opener against Sheffield Wednesday, confirmed the offer is being considered and a decision will be made within the next 24 hours.

Sky sources understand the clubs not far away from agreeing deal and expect agreement before Monday.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: not3bad on August 05, 2016, 04:59:28 PM: Quote from: in exile on August 05, 2016, 04:52:02 PM
From Sky Sports Transfer Centre -
CELTIC MAKE SINCLAIR APPROACH
Celtic have made a fresh approach for Aston Villa forward Scott Sinclair, manager Roberto Di Matteo has confirmed
The Villa boss, speaking ahead of the club’s Championship opener against Sheffield Wednesday, confirmed the offer is being considered and a decision will be made within the next 24 hours.

Sky sources understand the clubs not far away from agreeing deal and expect agreement before Monday.

Taking a medical apparently.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: chrisw1 on August 05, 2016, 05:01:01 PM: Quote from: Richard E on August 05, 2016, 04:21:54 PM
Quote from: chrisw1 on August 05, 2016, 03:49:27 PM
Quote from: Gareth on August 05, 2016, 03:43:52 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on August 05, 2016, 03:35:07 PM
Very happy to hear about the 3 bids, hopefully in the positions we are pretty desperate for. A bit disappointed to still have Dontgiveafucklahor still in the squad, no one is going to take that cancer.

Cancer is a terrible way to describe what is 'only' a footballer who isn't good enough!

I agree. The rhetoric on this site has gone really over the top.

Quite. Some of the language used on this site is literally worse than mass murder.
WTF sort of response is that? You may think 'cancer' and other phrases used to describe under-performing players is acceptable, I don't. I think it is over the top. There's no need to take the piss.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Richard E on August 05, 2016, 05:03:06 PM: It was a feeble attempt at a bit of levity. No offence.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: jwarry on August 05, 2016, 05:05:25 PM: Just been checking out Hernandez. I like him. 6ft 1, mobile and a bit of passion evidenced by punching Phil Jones off the ball last season! Didn't realise RM was a tiddler at 5ft 9 so we could still do with a bit more muscle up front.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: four fornicholl on August 05, 2016, 05:08:12 PM: Ross interview on SSN soon and Klopp has fkd our Christian off.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on August 05, 2016, 05:09:50 PM: Got to sign a centre back, creative midfielder and another striker. If we can bring in the right back too, happy days. Losing Lescott and Sanchez is a bonus, not too fussed about Sinclair going though. Busy times for Villa and I'm glad we are heavily involved. I hope we are in the mix right up to the deadline, just to keep things exciting!!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 05, 2016, 05:12:28 PM: Quote from: four fornicholl on August 05, 2016, 05:08:12 PM
Ross interview on SSN soon and Klopp has fkd our Christian off.

Just read about that, Klopp saying if someone wants any of their players they'd better offer big money as Liverpool only have good players made me loff.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 05, 2016, 05:15:50 PM: And can we please not use terms like "cancer" when talking about players, no matter how shite they are.

And Chris, it was obviously a joke by Richard, so wind your neck in.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on August 05, 2016, 05:20:10 PM: Is that Sonny De Laat? I'll drink to that.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on August 05, 2016, 05:21:07 PM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 05, 2016, 05:15:50 PM
And can we please not use terms like "cancer" when talking about players, no matter how shite they are.

And Chris, it was obviously a joke, so wind your neck in.

So the word Cancer is banned from the site no matter what the definition?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: four fornicholl on August 05, 2016, 05:21:16 PM: I'm struggling to fill that centre mid role too, we get a Petrovy style of player and I think we are sorted. Whos available though, it is going to be towards the end of the month before we can grab what we need, ie, a slightly ageing PL A+ animal, surplus to "bigboys" requirements.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave Cooper please on August 05, 2016, 05:24:21 PM: Quote from: aj2k77 on August 05, 2016, 05:21:07 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 05, 2016, 05:15:50 PM
And can we please not use terms like "cancer" when talking about players, no matter how shite they are.

And Chris, it was obviously a joke, so wind your neck in.

So the word Cancer is banned from the site no matter what the definition?

Which bit of "when talking about players" did you miss?

Unless of course we hear of a player with cancer I suppose.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on August 05, 2016, 05:24:37 PM: Quote from: chrisw1 on August 05, 2016, 05:01:01 PM
Quote from: Richard E on August 05, 2016, 04:21:54 PM
Quote from: chrisw1 on August 05, 2016, 03:49:27 PM
Quote from: Gareth on August 05, 2016, 03:43:52 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on August 05, 2016, 03:35:07 PM
Very happy to hear about the 3 bids, hopefully in the positions we are pretty desperate for. A bit disappointed to still have Dontgiveafucklahor still in the squad, no one is going to take that cancer.

Cancer is a terrible way to describe what is 'only' a footballer who isn't good enough!

I agree. The rhetoric on this site has gone really over the top.

Quite. Some of the language used on this site is literally worse than mass murder.
WTF sort of response is that? You may think 'cancer' and other phrases used to describe under-performing players is acceptable, I don't. I think it is over the top. There's no need to take the piss.

Have you tried Agnus Castus?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 05, 2016, 05:25:38 PM: Jedinak has been mentioned, but not actually linked. I'd be happy with that. Would have liked Barton (I know, but look how well he did for Burnley). Charlie Adam could do a job. Flamini would be good.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 05, 2016, 05:27:07 PM: Quote from: four fornicholl on August 05, 2016, 05:21:16 PM
I'm struggling to fill that centre mid role too, we get a Petrovy style of player and I think we are sorted. Whos available though, it is going to be towards the end of the month before we can grab what we need, ie, a slightly ageing PL A+ animal, surplus to "bigboys" requirements.

If, and it's a big if, Lucas could get fit he'd do a job.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 05, 2016, 05:31:08 PM: Quote from: Dave Cooper please on August 05, 2016, 05:24:21 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on August 05, 2016, 05:21:07 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 05, 2016, 05:15:50 PM
And can we please not use terms like "cancer" when talking about players, no matter how shite they are.

And Chris, it was obviously a joke, so wind your neck in.

So the word Cancer is banned from the site no matter what the definition?

Which bit of "when talking about players" did you miss?

Unless of course we hear of a player with cancer I suppose.

Is the correct answer thank you Mr Coops.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tuscans on August 05, 2016, 05:32:14 PM: I would take both Jedinak and Flamini over Westwood and Gardner. Not paired up of course but someone in that mould would be key, a nasty bastard in the middle, someone to get the crowd going when we're on the back foot, a worker.

Our midfield, especially the centre is weak mentally and you win your games in midfield. Every team who have any form of success have had a really solid 3, 4 or 5 in midfield.

Milner, Barry, Petrov and Young was the last lot for me.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tuscans on August 05, 2016, 05:34:56 PM: Quote from: aj2k77 on August 05, 2016, 05:21:07 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 05, 2016, 05:15:50 PM
And can we please not use terms like "cancer" when talking about players, no matter how shite they are.

And Chris, it was obviously a joke, so wind your neck in.

So the word Cancer is banned from the site no matter what the definition?
You want to hope you don't have a birthday in June - July too.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on August 05, 2016, 05:56:23 PM: Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on August 05, 2016, 05:25:38 PM
Jedinak has been mentioned, but not actually linked. I'd be happy with that. Would have liked Barton (I know, but look how well he did for Burnley). Charlie Adam could do a job. Flamini would be good.

Any of the three mentioned would be a decent signing.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on August 05, 2016, 06:13:25 PM: Quote from: Dave Cooper please on August 05, 2016, 05:24:21 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on August 05, 2016, 05:21:07 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 05, 2016, 05:15:50 PM
And can we please not use terms like "cancer" when talking about players, no matter how shite they are.

And Chris, it was obviously a joke, so wind your neck in.

So the word Cancer is banned from the site no matter what the definition?

Which bit of "when talking about players" did you miss?

Unless of course we hear of a player with cancer I suppose.

.....or the player is a total dumb arse and is in to astrology 😉
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave Cooper please on August 05, 2016, 06:25:25 PM: Quote from: UK Redsox on August 05, 2016, 06:13:25 PM
Quote from: Dave Cooper please on August 05, 2016, 05:24:21 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on August 05, 2016, 05:21:07 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 05, 2016, 05:15:50 PM
And can we please not use terms like "cancer" when talking about players, no matter how shite they are.

And Chris, it was obviously a joke, so wind your neck in.

So the word Cancer is banned from the site no matter what the definition?

Which bit of "when talking about players" did you miss?

Unless of course we hear of a player with cancer I suppose.

.....or the player is a total dumb arse and is in to astrology 😉

Or is named Larry and likes a woman
That loves everything and everybody
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 05, 2016, 06:41:25 PM: float on, brother
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: maidstonevillain on August 05, 2016, 06:51:05 PM: Quote from: Dave Cooper please on August 05, 2016, 05:24:21 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on August 05, 2016, 05:21:07 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 05, 2016, 05:15:50 PM
And can we please not use terms like "cancer" when talking about players, no matter how shite they are.

And Chris, it was obviously a joke, so wind your neck in.

So the word Cancer is banned from the site no matter what the definition?

Which bit of "when talking about players" did you miss?

Unless of course we hear of a player with cancer I suppose.

Over the top reaction by all. Cancer is not solely a medical term, and if the original poster was alluding to his supposed malign influence on the dressing room, it wouldn't be wide of the mark.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: London Villan on August 05, 2016, 06:51:40 PM: Milner, Barry, Petrov and Young.

That is so far away from what we've had over the last few season it's enough to make you laugh (or cry).
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on August 05, 2016, 07:02:51 PM: Quote from: Dave Cooper please on August 05, 2016, 05:24:21 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on August 05, 2016, 05:21:07 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 05, 2016, 05:15:50 PM
And can we please not use terms like "cancer" when talking about players, no matter how shite they are.

And Chris, it was obviously a joke, so wind your neck in.

So the word Cancer is banned from the site no matter what the definition?

Which bit of "when talking about players" did you miss?

Unless of course we hear of a player with cancer I suppose.

Since when did the word Cancer only relate to an Illness? There are other meanings of the word and one meaning is not too far off the mark when describing Gabby.

I'll let it go now, there seems to be a growing number of people waiting to leap on words looking for things that aren't there for a squabble. Get a grip.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tuscans on August 05, 2016, 07:17:22 PM: Quote from: Dave Cooper please on August 05, 2016, 06:25:25 PM
Quote from: UK Redsox on August 05, 2016, 06:13:25 PM
Quote from: Dave Cooper please on August 05, 2016, 05:24:21 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on August 05, 2016, 05:21:07 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 05, 2016, 05:15:50 PM
And can we please not use terms like "cancer" when talking about players, no matter how shite they are.

And Chris, it was obviously a joke, so wind your neck in.

So the word Cancer is banned from the site no matter what the definition?

Which bit of "when talking about players" did you miss?

Unless of course we hear of a player with cancer I suppose.

.....or the player is a total dumb arse and is in to astrology 😉

Or is named Larry and likes a woman
That loves everything and everybody
Or if he was the rapper from 90's German pop act, Snap.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tuscans on August 05, 2016, 07:20:24 PM: Quote from: aj2k77 on August 05, 2016, 07:02:51 PM
Quote from: Dave Cooper please on August 05, 2016, 05:24:21 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on August 05, 2016, 05:21:07 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 05, 2016, 05:15:50 PM
And can we please not use terms like "cancer" when talking about players, no matter how shite they are.

And Chris, it was obviously a joke, so wind your neck in.

So the word Cancer is banned from the site no matter what the definition?

Which bit of "when talking about players" did you miss?

Unless of course we hear of a player with cancer I suppose.

Since when did the word Cancer only relate to an Illness? There are other meanings of the word and one meaning is not too far off the mark when describing Gabby.

I'll let it go now, there seems to be a growing number of people waiting to leap on words looking for things that aren't there for a squabble. Get a grip.

You're right mate, some people like to make a mountain and all that.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on August 05, 2016, 07:30:31 PM: One in three people will contract cancer. To the lucky ones who don't get it or have a loved one get it, it is a punchy word that grabs attention, to the unlucky ones it cuts deep.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on August 05, 2016, 07:31:29 PM: Can we get back to signings? Or the hope for?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 05, 2016, 07:33:00 PM: Quote from: brian green on August 05, 2016, 07:30:31 PM
One in three people will contract cancer. To the lucky ones who don't get it or have a loved one get it, it is a punchy word that grabs attention, to the unlucky ones it cuts deep.
Agree, and well said.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: chrisw1 on August 05, 2016, 07:36:47 PM: Quote from: brian green on August 05, 2016, 07:30:31 PM
One in three people will contract cancer. To the lucky ones who don't get it or have a loved one get it, it is a punchy word that grabs attention, to the unlucky ones it cuts deep.

Thank you Brian.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: joecrow on August 05, 2016, 07:36:55 PM: As someone currently undergoing treatment for bladder cancer I took no offence. Can't speak for others but that's my take.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oldham_villa on August 05, 2016, 07:39:08 PM: Best wishes to you Joe
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: joecrow on August 05, 2016, 07:42:39 PM: Thanks mate
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: spk on August 05, 2016, 07:48:40 PM: Saw Mr Richards with his oppo Lescott today at BHM,the only 2 who wouldnt stop their car and sign shirts for the kids.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on August 05, 2016, 07:49:35 PM: It wasn't so much offensive, just an over the top and unnecessary way to describe a player. Some people just go out of their way to sound as angry as possible.

And all the best Joecrow.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on August 05, 2016, 07:50:52 PM: Good luck Joe. In oncology circles you would be what they call a hero.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: four fornicholl on August 05, 2016, 07:52:59 PM: Quote from: spk on August 05, 2016, 07:48:40 PM
Saw Mr Richards with his oppo Lescott today at BHM,the only 2 who wouldnt stop their car and sign shirts for the kids.
In a twisted sort of way, that's very good news.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: chrisw1 on August 05, 2016, 07:53:05 PM: Quote from: Clampy on August 05, 2016, 07:49:35 PM
It wasn't so much offensive, just an over the top and unnecessary way to describe a player. Some people just go out of their way to sound as angry as possible.

And all the best Joecrow.
I agree with this Clampy, it's not so much about offence as asking whether we are going a bit over the top in describing what are essentially just underperforming footballers.

Good luck with your battle Joe - fight like a lion.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: dave shelley on August 05, 2016, 07:54:39 PM: All the best for a speedy recovery Joe.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 05, 2016, 07:56:40 PM: All the best Joe.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 05, 2016, 07:58:53 PM: Aston Villa have submitted a bid for Crystal Palace midfielder Mile Jedinak, according to a reliable journalist.

TalkSport reporter Callum Williams revealed on his personal Twitter account that the Championship side have made a move for the Premier League midfield enforcer
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Richard E on August 05, 2016, 08:01:23 PM: Jedinak would be another very good signing if we could pull that off.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: four fornicholl on August 05, 2016, 08:01:38 PM: Quote from: JUAN PABLO on August 05, 2016, 07:58:53 PM
Aston Villa have submitted a bid for Crystal Palace midfielder Mile Jedinak, according to a reliable journalist.

TalkSport reporter Callum Williams revealed on his personal Twitter account that the Championship side have made a move for the Premier League midfield enforcer
Perfect
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 05, 2016, 08:02:38 PM: Palace have taken the captaincy off him. Maybe at his age they don't see much of a future for him this season.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: joecrow on August 05, 2016, 08:02:56 PM: Thanks all. Much appreciated.
Anyway, back to the really important stuff..... £4 mill for sinclair!!!?!?! Result.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Rudy65 on August 05, 2016, 08:04:15 PM: Quote from: not3bad on August 05, 2016, 04:59:28 PM
Quote from: in exile on August 05, 2016, 04:52:02 PM
From Sky Sports Transfer Centre -
CELTIC MAKE SINCLAIR APPROACH
Celtic have made a fresh approach for Aston Villa forward Scott Sinclair, manager Roberto Di Matteo has confirmed
The Villa boss, speaking ahead of the club’s Championship opener against Sheffield Wednesday, confirmed the offer is being considered and a decision will be made within the next 24 hours.

Sky sources understand the clubs not far away from agreeing deal and expect agreement before Monday.

Taking a medical apparently.

Made my day. Total waste of a talented player but not someone I want here
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: four fornicholl on August 05, 2016, 08:07:29 PM: Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on August 05, 2016, 08:02:38 PM
Palace have taken the captaincy off him. Maybe at his age they don't see much of a future for him this season.
Even if its for just one season he is exactly our answer.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: LeeB on August 05, 2016, 08:14:03 PM: Looks like we're going for a full leadership transplant, which I think is well advised.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: danno on August 05, 2016, 08:20:12 PM: Quote from: LeeB on August 05, 2016, 08:14:03 PM
Looks like we're going for a full leadership transplant, which I think is well advised.

I'm all for a transplant, as long as the old bits of leadership are thrown away after the op.
(Lescott Richards Agbonlahor).

At the moment we're half way through a leadership skin graft.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: jwarry on August 05, 2016, 08:30:04 PM: Jedi is exactlay what we need. A big aggressive fucker to protect our back 4, not a pointy midget. Get him and I will be well happy
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 05, 2016, 08:43:51 PM: Is there a risk his legs have gone?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 05, 2016, 08:47:27 PM: I'd be interested what Palace fans have to say about him for that reason.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: OCD on August 05, 2016, 08:54:20 PM: Question marks over whether his legs have gone? He's only just turned 32 not 42!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 05, 2016, 08:55:56 PM: What like lescott was this time last year?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Rudy65 on August 05, 2016, 08:57:01 PM: Quote from: OCD on August 05, 2016, 08:54:20 PM
Question marks over whether his legs have gone? He's only just turned 32 not 42!

Exactly. Think Gareth Barry, never fast or quick, so the fact their legs may have gone is irrelevant. Thye were never fast in the first place
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Richard E on August 05, 2016, 08:57:11 PM: Quote from: Matt Collins on August 05, 2016, 08:55:56 PM
What like lescott was this time last year?

We need to check whether Jedinak has bought a new car lately.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: OCD on August 05, 2016, 09:00:13 PM: So we have 3 bids in then - would that be Jedinak, Hernandez and maybe Kodija?

If they come off and we get rid of the extra timber we're carrying the squad's going to start taking shape.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on August 05, 2016, 09:15:30 PM: Quote from: jwarry on August 05, 2016, 08:30:04 PM
Jedi is exactlay what we need. A big aggressive fucker to protect our back 4, not a pointy midget. Get him and I will be well happy
This. He's still got more than enough in his locker, particularly at this level. He's going to be a positive influence with a wealth of experience in an area we've lacked it for a while. He would make our CM look a lot better and compliment our younger talent there.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on August 05, 2016, 09:16:38 PM: Quote from: OCD on August 05, 2016, 09:00:13 PM
So we have 3 bids in then - would that be Jedinak, Hernandez and maybe Kodija?

If they come off and we get rid of the extra timber we're carrying the squad's going to start taking shape.
I'd buy that for a dollar.
Christ our squad would look better than it's looked since the halcyon days of Houllier.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: chrisw1 on August 05, 2016, 09:19:21 PM: I'd be very pleased with Jedinak for this season, he could be a very useful player. Obviously there would be doubts about his long term usefulness given he seems surplus to requirements at Palace, so hopefully any contract will be sensible. But the absolute priority has to be getting promoted and for that he would seem a excellent fit.

Plus it gives us another leader, along with Elphick and McCormack and that could be a really good thing in the long tough season ahead. Three real battlers to lead by example.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Richard E on August 05, 2016, 09:21:59 PM: Quote from: chrisw1 on August 05, 2016, 09:19:21 PM
I'd be very pleased with Jedinak for this season, he could be a very useful player. Obviously there would be doubts about his long term usefulness given he seems surplus to requirements at Palace, so hopefully any contract will be sensible. But the absolute priority has to be getting promoted and for that he would seem a excellent fit.

Yes, we can worry about people being good enough for the top flight in the summer that precedes the season we rejoin it. Until then it's horses for courses.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 05, 2016, 09:24:08 PM: The Newcastle game tonight shows why the likes of McCormack, Elphick, possibly Jedinak, Gestede and possibly Hernandez would be so vital. All played in this division with success. They know what it is about.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: paulcomben on August 05, 2016, 09:29:01 PM: Hernandez & Kodija in would mean Kozak & Ayew out. Seems agreeable.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: chrisw1 on August 05, 2016, 09:29:56 PM: Quote from: paulcomben on August 05, 2016, 09:29:01 PM
Hernandez & Kodija in would mean Kozak & Ayew out. Seems agreeable.
Ayew out doesn't seem agreeable to me. Not at all.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 05, 2016, 09:30:01 PM: I can't see us buying three strikers in a week!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: paulcomben on August 05, 2016, 09:31:58 PM: Quote from: Matt Collins on August 05, 2016, 09:30:01 PM
I can't see us buying three strikers in a week!

True. We haven't bought that many worthy of the job description in a decade.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Duncan Shaw on August 05, 2016, 09:45:54 PM: Just have to see the job Scott Parker did 2nd half for Fulham to see the value of Jedinak to us.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 05, 2016, 09:59:32 PM: Jedinak would be a very good signing, give us nous graft and leadership in the middle of the park. Would bring out the best of Gardner and Tsibola too, and would allow the likes of Grealish, Ayew and (maybe) Adama to bomb forwards. Excited if true.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 05, 2016, 10:15:05 PM: Naki Wells
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tayls_7 on August 05, 2016, 10:28:54 PM: Quote from: VinnieChase84 on August 05, 2016, 10:15:05 PM
Naki Wells

It's lovely but it's a long drive.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 05, 2016, 10:30:58 PM: Quote from: Tayls_7 on August 05, 2016, 10:28:54 PM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on August 05, 2016, 10:15:05 PM
Naki Wells

It's lovely but it's a long drive.
😂
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 05, 2016, 10:31:52 PM: Jedinak imo would complete the spine of our team. A leader in the middle is something we badly need
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tayls_7 on August 05, 2016, 10:38:11 PM: Quote from: VinnieChase84 on August 05, 2016, 10:31:52 PM
Jedinak imo would complete the spine of our team. A leader in the middle is something we badly need

I thought he would have been a good acquisition two seasons ago before we had to admit we were shite. I'd love a player of his type at VP.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on August 05, 2016, 11:20:56 PM: Bids I for three? We need four. Striker, central defender, creative midfielder and Jedinak. Or Flamini.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 05, 2016, 11:47:31 PM: The more i watch goals that Kodjia, Wells, McCormaack and Hernandez have scored, the more obvious it is that if we can get him fit, Adama is going to take some defences to bits.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: OCD on August 06, 2016, 12:03:23 AM: Traore is very talented but very raw too. He could do with staying fit this year and use a season in the championship for him to mature.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 06, 2016, 12:53:23 AM: Quote from: ozzjim on August 05, 2016, 11:47:31 PM
The more i watch goals that Kodjia, Wells, McCormaack and Hernandez have scored, the more obvious it is that if we can get him fit, Adama is going to take some defences to bits.

RDM was in the Evening Mail today saying he hasn't had chance to see Adama yet really. I think he will be surprised how good a player he has on his hands when he manages to stay fit long enough.

Out of those touted, I'd take Hernandez, Wells then Kodija in that order.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt C on August 06, 2016, 02:52:04 AM: Jedinak would be a welcome addition. Sounds like potentially three more and then I expect we'll be having a look at the loan market.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: jwarry on August 06, 2016, 10:09:46 AM: Just reading a few CPFC forums and they don't want him to go
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Holtemeister on August 06, 2016, 10:12:07 AM: If we can prize Jedinak away ... 3 former club captains through the spine ... with a Goal Keeper RDM has already handed the armband to would be an amazing transformation this summer
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on August 06, 2016, 10:27:19 AM: Quote from: Holtemeister on August 06, 2016, 10:12:07 AM
If we can prize Jedinak away ... 3 former club captains through the spine ... with a Goal Keeper RDM has already handed the armband to would be an amazing transformation this summer

I thought Elphick was the captain this year?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: spangley1812 on August 06, 2016, 10:32:42 AM: Quote from: PeterWithe on August 06, 2016, 10:27:19 AM
Quote from: Holtemeister on August 06, 2016, 10:12:07 AM
If we can prize Jedinak away ... 3 former club captains through the spine ... with a Goal Keeper RDM has already handed the armband to would be an amazing transformation this summer

I thought Elphick was the captain this year?

I think he means 3 captains @ their previous clubs i.e Jedinak, Elphick and McCormack
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on August 06, 2016, 11:14:37 AM: Gollini was captain against Cambridge in that friendly.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on August 06, 2016, 11:24:43 AM: What do people think of paddy mcnair and patrick bamford. I think both should be signed and I hope these are the other 2 from the 3 players we are signing . The fourth and fifth could be any one ! With more departures like lescott and Sanchez on way then exciting to see new faces. I think bacuna will stay and agbonlahor and Richards won't be shifted due to wages but would be good for all 3 to seek elsewhere as it has nt worked.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on August 06, 2016, 12:00:54 PM: Just read Leeds aren't interested in Lescott 😢
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: AV89 on August 06, 2016, 12:23:53 PM: Quote from: spangley1812 on August 06, 2016, 10:32:42 AM
Quote from: PeterWithe on August 06, 2016, 10:27:19 AM
Quote from: Holtemeister on August 06, 2016, 10:12:07 AM
If we can prize Jedinak away ... 3 former club captains through the spine ... with a Goal Keeper RDM has already handed the armband to would be an amazing transformation this summer

I thought Elphick was the captain this year?

I think he means 3 captains @ their previous clubs i.e Jedinak, Elphick and McCormack

This.

We need leaders all over the field. Its a big factor in our decline over the last six years that there's been nobody prepared to grab hold of someone and get them at it.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Quiet Lion on August 06, 2016, 12:27:26 PM: Quote from: maidstonevillain on August 05, 2016, 06:51:05 PM
Quote from: Dave Cooper please on August 05, 2016, 05:24:21 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on August 05, 2016, 05:21:07 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 05, 2016, 05:15:50 PM
And can we please not use terms like "cancer" when talking about players, no matter how shite they are.

And Chris, it was obviously a joke, so wind your neck in.

So the word Cancer is banned from the site no matter what the definition?

Which bit of "when talking about players" did you miss?

Unless of course we hear of a player with cancer I suppose.

Over the top reaction by all. Cancer is not solely a medical term, and if the original poster was alluding to his supposed malign influence on the dressing room, it wouldn't be wide of the mark.

Of course it is, 'Cancer' is widely used as a metaphor in all sorts of situations. If anyone finds that offensive I suggest they grow a thicker skin.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: in exile on August 06, 2016, 12:32:08 PM: Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on August 06, 2016, 12:00:54 PM
Just read Leeds aren't interested in Lescott 😢

Probably the most disappointing news of the window so far
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 06, 2016, 12:40:00 PM: Quote from: in exile on August 06, 2016, 12:32:08 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on August 06, 2016, 12:00:54 PM
Just read Leeds aren't interested in Lescott 😢

Probably the most disappointing news of the window so far

I don't mind Lescott. It's just a shame his legs have gone and the fact it's probably going to cost us to get rid of him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: darren woolley on August 06, 2016, 12:46:35 PM: I would also like us to sign Jedinak good player just what we need.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 06, 2016, 12:51:43 PM: Quote from: Quiet Lion on August 06, 2016, 12:27:26 PM
Quote from: maidstonevillain on August 05, 2016, 06:51:05 PM
Quote from: Dave Cooper please on August 05, 2016, 05:24:21 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on August 05, 2016, 05:21:07 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 05, 2016, 05:15:50 PM
And can we please not use terms like "cancer" when talking about players, no matter how shite they are.

And Chris, it was obviously a joke, so wind your neck in.

So the word Cancer is banned from the site no matter what the definition?

Which bit of "when talking about players" did you miss?

Unless of course we hear of a player with cancer I suppose.

Over the top reaction by all. Cancer is not solely a medical term, and if the original poster was alluding to his supposed malign influence on the dressing room, it wouldn't be wide of the mark.

Of course it is, 'Cancer' is widely used as a metaphor in all sorts of situations. If anyone finds that offensive I suggest they grow a thicker skin.

I suggest you accept that people find different things offensive.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Quiet Lion on August 06, 2016, 12:56:06 PM: Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 06, 2016, 12:51:43 PM
Quote from: Quiet Lion on August 06, 2016, 12:27:26 PM
Quote from: maidstonevillain on August 05, 2016, 06:51:05 PM
Quote from: Dave Cooper please on August 05, 2016, 05:24:21 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on August 05, 2016, 05:21:07 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 05, 2016, 05:15:50 PM
And can we please not use terms like "cancer" when talking about players, no matter how shite they are.

And Chris, it was obviously a joke, so wind your neck in.

So the word Cancer is banned from the site no matter what the definition?

Which bit of "when talking about players" did you miss?

Unless of course we hear of a player with cancer I suppose.

Over the top reaction by all. Cancer is not solely a medical term, and if the original poster was alluding to his supposed malign influence on the dressing room, it wouldn't be wide of the mark.

Of course it is, 'Cancer' is widely used as a metaphor in all sorts of situations. If anyone finds that offensive I suggest they grow a thicker skin.

I suggest you accept that people find different things offensive.

I accept it, but that doesn't make it right. However I know you love nothing better than sitting a top your righteous high horse so I will leave it at that.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tony Erdington on August 06, 2016, 01:16:15 PM: Quote from: Quiet Lion on August 06, 2016, 12:56:06 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 06, 2016, 12:51:43 PM
Quote from: Quiet Lion on August 06, 2016, 12:27:26 PM
Quote from: maidstonevillain on August 05, 2016, 06:51:05 PM
Quote from: Dave Cooper please on August 05, 2016, 05:24:21 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on August 05, 2016, 05:21:07 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 05, 2016, 05:15:50 PM
And can we please not use terms like "cancer" when talking about players, no matter how shite they are.

And Chris, it was obviously a joke, so wind your neck in.

So the word Cancer is banned from the site no matter what the definition?

Which bit of "when talking about players" did you miss?

Unless of course we hear of a player with cancer I suppose.

Over the top reaction by all. Cancer is not solely a medical term, and if the original poster was alluding to his supposed malign influence on the dressing room, it wouldn't be wide of the mark.

Of course it is, 'Cancer' is widely used as a metaphor in all sorts of situations. If anyone finds that offensive I suggest they grow a thicker skin.

I suggest you accept that people find different things offensive.

I accept it, but that doesn't make it right. However I know you love nothing better than sitting a top your righteous high horse so I will leave it at that.

I am off ended.

but would love a General in the middle of the pitch.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: andyh on August 06, 2016, 01:19:32 PM: Quote from: Tony Erdington on August 06, 2016, 01:16:15 PM
Quote from: Quiet Lion on August 06, 2016, 12:56:06 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 06, 2016, 12:51:43 PM
Quote from: Quiet Lion on August 06, 2016, 12:27:26 PM
Quote from: maidstonevillain on August 05, 2016, 06:51:05 PM
Quote from: Dave Cooper please on August 05, 2016, 05:24:21 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on August 05, 2016, 05:21:07 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 05, 2016, 05:15:50 PM
And can we please not use terms like "cancer" when talking about players, no matter how shite they are.

And Chris, it was obviously a joke, so wind your neck in.

So the word Cancer is banned from the site no matter what the definition?

Which bit of "when talking about players" did you miss?

Unless of course we hear of a player with cancer I suppose.

Over the top reaction by all. Cancer is not solely a medical term, and if the original poster was alluding to his supposed malign influence on the dressing room, it wouldn't be wide of the mark.

Of course it is, 'Cancer' is widely used as a metaphor in all sorts of situations. If anyone finds that offensive I suggest they grow a thicker skin.

I suggest you accept that people find different things offensive.

I accept it, but that doesn't make it right. However I know you love nothing better than sitting a top your righteous high horse so I will leave it at that.

I am off ended.

but would love a General in the middle of the pitch.
I think Krulaks legs have gone.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tony Erdington on August 06, 2016, 01:21:53 PM: ha ha

we did have a General before that one, I was thinking more in line with the former General.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on August 06, 2016, 01:26:12 PM: Bernard Montgomery of Alamein was a Villa fan from the days when he was with the Warwicks down Golden Hillock Rd. There used to be a seat in the old Trinity with his name on it.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 06, 2016, 02:07:27 PM: impeccable taste on both sides.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Bottom Right 89 on August 06, 2016, 02:12:47 PM: Twitter is rife with talk of a meltdown signing - suggestions it's the return of Delph? 😯
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: in exile on August 06, 2016, 02:16:44 PM: Quote from: Bottom Right 89 on August 06, 2016, 02:12:47 PM
Twitter is rife with talk of a meltdown signing - suggestions it's the return of Delph? 😯

He wouldn't dare would he?
He must be on some wage at Man City, just can't see it
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Quiet Lion on August 06, 2016, 02:18:11 PM: This one did make me laugh

Villa Views
‏@ViewsVilla

If Delph were ever to return to #avfc it'd be Dr Xia charming him out of a wicker basket for our half time entertainment at Villa Park
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Chris Jameson on August 06, 2016, 02:19:25 PM: Quote from: Bottom Right 89 on August 06, 2016, 02:12:47 PM
Twitter is rife with talk of a meltdown signing - suggestions it's the return of Delph? 😯

Can only be Hans Krankl, Steve Bull, Carlton Palmer or Juninho.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: in exile on August 06, 2016, 02:21:35 PM: Maybe we have gazumped Man United on the Paul Pogba transfer
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: atomicjam on August 06, 2016, 02:21:59 PM: Dr. Tony Xia ‏@Dr_TonyXia 15s seconds ago
Dr. Tony Xia Retweeted .
Our plan is to add 7-8 new players . We have 3 bids ongoing and two loans negotiating.It will work out as planned.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: dave shelley on August 06, 2016, 02:28:06 PM: 'kin 'ell.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: timeoutbigbar on August 06, 2016, 02:32:44 PM: Quote from: atomicjam on August 06, 2016, 02:21:59 PM
Dr. Tony Xia ‏@Dr_TonyXia 15s seconds ago
Dr. Tony Xia Retweeted .
Our plan is to add 7-8 new players . We have 3 bids ongoing and two loans negotiating.It will work out as planned.

Doesn't give much away does he.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on August 06, 2016, 02:33:32 PM: Get fucking in there Dr.

(Aslong as they're players I agree with)
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on August 06, 2016, 02:37:16 PM: Quote from: Chris Jameson on August 06, 2016, 02:19:25 PM
Quote from: Bottom Right 89 on August 06, 2016, 02:12:47 PM
Twitter is rife with talk of a meltdown signing - suggestions it's the return of Delph? 😯

Can only be Hans Krankl, Steve Bull, Carlton Palmer or Juninho.

Finally, the signing of Benni McCarthy that we've waited for so long
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Brend'Watkins on August 06, 2016, 02:50:41 PM: Quote from: Quiet Lion on August 06, 2016, 02:18:11 PM
This one did make me laugh

Villa Views
‏@ViewsVilla

If Delph were ever to return to #avfc it'd be Dr Xia charming him out of a wicker basket for our half time entertainment at Villa Park

Made me lol too
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Holtemeister on August 06, 2016, 02:55:58 PM: This clearly now is a statement of intent on and off the pitch that were not here to fuck about !!!

These are all signings with a sole intention of getting us back into the Premier League ... completely different from anything in the past 3 to 4 years which has solely been about muddling through and reducing costs.

The Gollini substitution unless he is better than we all expect is the odd one out as I would have expected the club to have gone for a keeper with league experience someone like David Marshall from Swansea.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: avfcpg on August 06, 2016, 03:00:01 PM: No Nakhi Wells in the Huddersfield team...not on the bench either.
Love a good conspiracy...
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 06, 2016, 03:02:00 PM: presumably he's including the four already signed - any thoughts on the others? Lots of talk of Morrison, Jedinack and Kodjia/Wells not a clue on loans other than the guy from Man U and possibly Bamford if we don't actually buy another striker?.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 06, 2016, 03:24:15 PM: Quote from: timeoutbigbar on August 06, 2016, 02:32:44 PM
Quote from: atomicjam on August 06, 2016, 02:21:59 PM
Dr. Tony Xia ‏@Dr_TonyXia 15s seconds ago
Dr. Tony Xia Retweeted .
Our plan is to add 7-8 new players . We have 3 bids ongoing and two loans negotiating.It will work out as planned.

Doesn't give much away does he.

See I don't think he's giving much away in terms of real information. In fact I would say he's simply fulfilling the promise he made when he arrived and all this talk of him being skint or skepticism of not supporting the manager is proving unfounded. We've taken our time to evaluate players, add and subtract. Not everything is ever going to go 100% to plan, but it hasn't been all that bad.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 06, 2016, 03:27:50 PM: Quote from: Quiet Lion on August 06, 2016, 12:56:06 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 06, 2016, 12:51:43 PM
Quote from: Quiet Lion on August 06, 2016, 12:27:26 PM
Quote from: maidstonevillain on August 05, 2016, 06:51:05 PM
Quote from: Dave Cooper please on August 05, 2016, 05:24:21 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on August 05, 2016, 05:21:07 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 05, 2016, 05:15:50 PM
And can we please not use terms like "cancer" when talking about players, no matter how shite they are.

And Chris, it was obviously a joke, so wind your neck in.

So the word Cancer is banned from the site no matter what the definition?

Which bit of "when talking about players" did you miss?

Unless of course we hear of a player with cancer I suppose.

Over the top reaction by all. Cancer is not solely a medical term, and if the original poster was alluding to his supposed malign influence on the dressing room, it wouldn't be wide of the mark.

Of course it is, 'Cancer' is widely used as a metaphor in all sorts of situations. If anyone finds that offensive I suggest they grow a thicker skin.

I suggest you accept that people find different things offensive.

I accept it, but that doesn't make it right. However I know you love nothing better than sitting a top your righteous high horse so I will leave it at that.

No, you'll just leave.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tuscans on August 06, 2016, 03:28:09 PM: Quote from: avfcpg on August 06, 2016, 03:00:01 PM
No Nakhi Wells in the Huddersfield team...not on the bench either.
Love a good conspiracy...
Injured all preseason.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tuscans on August 06, 2016, 03:43:35 PM: Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 06, 2016, 03:27:50 PM
Quote from: Quiet Lion on August 06, 2016, 12:56:06 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 06, 2016, 12:51:43 PM
Quote from: Quiet Lion on August 06, 2016, 12:27:26 PM
Quote from: maidstonevillain on August 05, 2016, 06:51:05 PM
Quote from: Dave Cooper please on August 05, 2016, 05:24:21 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on August 05, 2016, 05:21:07 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 05, 2016, 05:15:50 PM
And can we please not use terms like "cancer" when talking about players, no matter how shite they are.

And Chris, it was obviously a joke, so wind your neck in.

So the word Cancer is banned from the site no matter what the definition?

Which bit of "when talking about players" did you miss?

Unless of course we hear of a player with cancer I suppose.

Over the top reaction by all. Cancer is not solely a medical term, and if the original poster was alluding to his supposed malign influence on the dressing room, it wouldn't be wide of the mark.

Of course it is, 'Cancer' is widely used as a metaphor in all sorts of situations. If anyone finds that offensive I suggest they grow a thicker skin.

I suggest you accept that people find different things offensive.

I accept it, but that doesn't make it right. However I know you love nothing better than sitting a top your righteous high horse so I will leave it at that.

No, you'll just leave.
Were you an only child?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 06, 2016, 03:45:48 PM: Why do you ask that?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Quiet Lion on August 06, 2016, 03:57:36 PM: Such a predictable response.

No surprise that you are in the camp that lack the capacity to understand literary metaphor. Time and time again you show your lack of basic critical reasoning skills.

You are a genuine embarrassment to this website
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 06, 2016, 04:05:04 PM: Quote from: Quiet Lion on August 06, 2016, 03:57:36 PM
Such a predictable response.

No surprise that you are in the camp that lack the capacity to understand literary metaphor. Time and time again you show your lack of basic critical reasoning skills.

You are a genuine embarrassment to this website

You missed out the bit where you say you know you're going to get banned. Would you like another go?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tuscans on August 06, 2016, 04:08:58 PM: Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 06, 2016, 03:45:48 PM
Why do you ask that?
He hasn't gone out of his way to say something that is aimed at another member to offend. You don't seem to be able to accept that and need the last word, usually insinuating a ban. Let the two people sort it out themselves, I'm sure they can come to an agreement without others putting their two cents in.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Quiet Lion on August 06, 2016, 04:20:28 PM: Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 06, 2016, 04:05:04 PM
Quote from: Quiet Lion on August 06, 2016, 03:57:36 PM
Such a predictable response.

No surprise that you are in the camp that lack the capacity to understand literary metaphor. Time and time again you show your lack of basic critical reasoning skills.

You are a genuine embarrassment to this website

You missed out the bit where you say you know you're going to get banned. Would you like another go?

Just let me recap here. This is because I able to understand context and don't find a relatively benign comment offensive. I wasn't in anyway rude just merely stated an opinion.

This site is on the whole moderated excellently, especially when compared to other football websites given that tempers often flare up.

It seems to me that save for the obvious trolls the vast majority of bannings that occur including many long standing posters seem to due to be disagreements with you.

I will let others be the judge of why that is.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on August 06, 2016, 04:31:21 PM: I am one of the others and I find flip comments about carcinoma offensive. If anything the moderators in this site allow far too much latitude to posters who claim immunity because others take their comments at face value.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 06, 2016, 04:31:52 PM: Quote from: Tuscans on August 06, 2016, 04:08:58 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 06, 2016, 03:45:48 PM
Why do you ask that?
He hasn't gone out of his way to say something that is aimed at another member to offend. You don't seem to be able to accept that and need the last word, usually insinuating a ban. Let the two people sort it out themselves, I'm sure they can come to an agreement without others putting their two cents in.

Not that I need to justify myself to you or anyone else, I made one comment, namely that all posters should accept that others might find certain things offensive. How anyone can find fault or pick an argument with that is beyond me.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 06, 2016, 04:33:05 PM: Quote from: Quiet Lion on August 06, 2016, 04:20:28 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 06, 2016, 04:05:04 PM
Quote from: Quiet Lion on August 06, 2016, 03:57:36 PM
Such a predictable response.

No surprise that you are in the camp that lack the capacity to understand literary metaphor. Time and time again you show your lack of basic critical reasoning skills.

You are a genuine embarrassment to this website

You missed out the bit where you say you know you're going to get banned. Would you like another go?

Just let me recap here. This is because I able to understand context and don't find a relatively benign comment offensive. I wasn't in anyway rude just merely stated an opinion.

This site is on the whole moderated excellently, especially when compared to other football websites given that tempers often flare up.

It seems to me that save for the obvious trolls the vast majority of bannings that occur including many long standing posters seem to due to be disagreements with you.

I will let others be the judge of why that is.

See above.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Quiet Lion on August 06, 2016, 04:33:48 PM: Quote from: Tuscans on August 06, 2016, 04:08:58 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 06, 2016, 03:45:48 PM
Why do you ask that?
He hasn't gone out of his way to say something that is aimed at another member to offend. You don't seem to be able to accept that and need the last word, usually insinuating a ban. Let the two people sort it out themselves, I'm sure they can come to an agreement without others putting their two cents in.

You have more chance of teaching your dog astrophysics than him being able to comprehend this.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Quiet Lion on August 06, 2016, 04:35:56 PM: Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 06, 2016, 04:31:52 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on August 06, 2016, 04:08:58 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 06, 2016, 03:45:48 PM
Why do you ask that?
He hasn't gone out of his way to say something that is aimed at another member to offend. You don't seem to be able to accept that and need the last word, usually insinuating a ban. Let the two people sort it out themselves, I'm sure they can come to an agreement without others putting their two cents in.

Not that I need to justify myself to you or anyone else, I made one comment, namely that all posters should accept that others might find certain things offensive. How anyone can find fault or pick an argument with that is beyond me.

Quite
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on August 06, 2016, 04:38:37 PM: Jeez people, can we get back on topic? Two loans AND three bids. Like it.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 06, 2016, 04:47:56 PM: I notice on BBC league standing we are 15th already , improving all the time see
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: DaventryVillain on August 06, 2016, 04:48:34 PM: We could do with another true centre forward, number 9 shirt going spare, talk of a "meltdown" signing (whatever that is), Benteke outed at Liverpool, loan bids put in??!!!! Hmmm
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: saunders_heroes on August 06, 2016, 04:52:19 PM: Another 3 or 4 signings in key areas and I'll feel a hell of a lot better about this season than I do now. I really hope Xia will come good with his promises.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ronshirt on August 06, 2016, 05:15:44 PM: Quote from: Tuscans on August 06, 2016, 04:08:58 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 06, 2016, 03:45:48 PM
Why do you ask that?
He hasn't gone out of his way to say something that is aimed at another member to offend. You don't seem to be able to accept that and need the last word, usually insinuating a ban. Let the two people sort it out themselves, I'm sure they can come to an agreement without others putting their two cents in.

This. As the kids say.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on August 06, 2016, 05:21:06 PM: Quote from: Tuscans on August 06, 2016, 03:43:35 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 06, 2016, 03:27:50 PM
Quote from: Quiet Lion on August 06, 2016, 12:56:06 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 06, 2016, 12:51:43 PM
Quote from: Quiet Lion on August 06, 2016, 12:27:26 PM
Quote from: maidstonevillain on August 05, 2016, 06:51:05 PM
Quote from: Dave Cooper please on August 05, 2016, 05:24:21 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on August 05, 2016, 05:21:07 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 05, 2016, 05:15:50 PM
And can we please not use terms like "cancer" when talking about players, no matter how shite they are.

And Chris, it was obviously a joke, so wind your neck in.

So the word Cancer is banned from the site no matter what the definition?

Which bit of "when talking about players" did you miss?

Unless of course we hear of a player with cancer I suppose.

Over the top reaction by all. Cancer is not solely a medical term, and if the original poster was alluding to his supposed malign influence on the dressing room, it wouldn't be wide of the mark.

Of course it is, 'Cancer' is widely used as a metaphor in all sorts of situations. If anyone finds that offensive I suggest they grow a thicker skin.

I suggest you accept that people find different things offensive.

I accept it, but that doesn't make it right. However I know you love nothing better than sitting a top your righteous high horse so I will leave it at that.

No, you'll just leave.
Were you an only child?

Ah yes, the way to winning an argument is by being offensive it seems.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Chris Smith on August 06, 2016, 05:31:33 PM: Quote from: brian green on August 06, 2016, 04:31:21 PM
I am one of the others and I find flip comments about carcinoma offensive. If anything the moderators in this site allow far too much latitude to posters who claim immunity because others take their comments at face value.

I find it similarly offensive and used in this context particularly distasteful. I can understand, but not like, the use of the term as metaphor to emphasise a particularly grave situation but this wasn't that. Football players who become arrogant and lazy are ten a penny.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 06, 2016, 05:35:27 PM: Quote from: Quiet Lion on August 06, 2016, 04:35:56 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 06, 2016, 04:31:52 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on August 06, 2016, 04:08:58 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 06, 2016, 03:45:48 PM
Why do you ask that?
He hasn't gone out of his way to say something that is aimed at another member to offend. You don't seem to be able to accept that and need the last word, usually insinuating a ban. Let the two people sort it out themselves, I'm sure they can come to an agreement without others putting their two cents in.

Not that I need to justify myself to you or anyone else, I made one comment, namely that all posters should accept that others might find certain things offensive. How anyone can find fault or pick an argument with that is beyond me.

Quite

I'm not putting up with shit like this any longer. Find another forum - any forum, any subject - spend an hour or two abusing the people who run it, and see how long you last.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oldham_villa on August 06, 2016, 05:42:47 PM: Looks like Gabby could be on the move, so you'd think a striker will be coming in :-)
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villastu on August 06, 2016, 05:54:57 PM: Apparently in negotiations with 2 loan signings according to Dr xia and 3 bids ongoing. :o
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 06, 2016, 05:59:13 PM: Quote from: saunders_heroes on August 06, 2016, 04:52:19 PM
Another 3 or 4 signings in key areas and I'll feel a hell of a lot better about this season than I do now. I really hope Xia will come good with his promises.

With four weeks of the window to go he's already come good with his promises. More than good in fact. We were never going to do all of our business (in and out) before the first game. And frankly had we done the buying bit by now I'd be way more concerned that we rushed and overspent. I like the approach the club has taken since Xia took over. It's been measured and calm.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 06, 2016, 06:09:49 PM: Not seen any links but assombalonga could be a good shout
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Richard E on August 06, 2016, 06:11:57 PM: Quote from: Matt Collins on August 06, 2016, 06:09:49 PM
Not seen any links but assombalonga could be a good shout

No. People have enough trouble spelling 'Clark.'
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tuscans on August 06, 2016, 06:29:53 PM: Quote from: Richard E on August 06, 2016, 06:11:57 PM
Quote from: Matt Collins on August 06, 2016, 06:09:49 PM
Not seen any links but assombalonga could be a good shout

No. People have enough trouble spelling 'Clark.'
Screw the surname, it was Kieran I was struggling with.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on August 06, 2016, 06:33:13 PM: Quote from: Tuscans on August 06, 2016, 06:29:53 PM
Quote from: Richard E on August 06, 2016, 06:11:57 PM
Quote from: Matt Collins on August 06, 2016, 06:09:49 PM
Not seen any links but assombalonga could be a good shout

No. People have enough trouble spelling 'Clark.'
Screw the surname, it was Kieran I was struggling with.

Perhaps we should just stick to calling him Clanger? 😎
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villastu on August 06, 2016, 06:47:26 PM: Di Matteo has confirmed Fiorentina want to sign Villa midfielder Carlos Sanchez.

“Sanchez? Fiorentina are interested, we are aware of this but at this moment there is no agreement between the parties,” Di Matteo said.

“He is an Aston Villa player and that will be the case until there is an agreement between the two clubs.”
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 06, 2016, 07:10:49 PM: Quote from: Villastu on August 06, 2016, 06:47:26 PM
Di Matteo has confirmed Fiorentina want to sign Villa midfielder Carlos Sanchez.

“Sanchez? Fiorentina are interested, we are aware of this but at this moment there is no agreement between the parties,” Di Matteo said.

“He is an Aston Villa player and that will be the case until there is an agreement between the two clubs.”

See I like this attitude we seem to be playing hardball successfully.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 06, 2016, 07:14:01 PM: Quote from: Clampy on August 06, 2016, 05:21:06 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on August 06, 2016, 03:43:35 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 06, 2016, 03:27:50 PM
Quote from: Quiet Lion on August 06, 2016, 12:56:06 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 06, 2016, 12:51:43 PM
Quote from: Quiet Lion on August 06, 2016, 12:27:26 PM
Quote from: maidstonevillain on August 05, 2016, 06:51:05 PM
Quote from: Dave Cooper please on August 05, 2016, 05:24:21 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on August 05, 2016, 05:21:07 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 05, 2016, 05:15:50 PM
And can we please not use terms like "cancer" when talking about players, no matter how shite they are.

And Chris, it was obviously a joke, so wind your neck in.

So the word Cancer is banned from the site no matter what the definition?

Which bit of "when talking about players" did you miss?

Unless of course we hear of a player with cancer I suppose.

Over the top reaction by all. Cancer is not solely a medical term, and if the original poster was alluding to his supposed malign influence on the dressing room, it wouldn't be wide of the mark.

Of course it is, 'Cancer' is widely used as a metaphor in all sorts of situations. If anyone finds that offensive I suggest they grow a thicker skin.

I suggest you accept that people find different things offensive.

I accept it, but that doesn't make it right. However I know you love nothing better than sitting a top your righteous high horse so I will leave it at that.

No, you'll just leave.
Were you an only child?

I don't really understand why people are getting so upset that they can't use the word 'cancer'. If other people find it offensive why not show a bit of understanding and just use any number of words that get their meaning across without upsetting people.

Ah yes, the way to winning an argument is by being offensive it seems.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ldavfc4eva on August 06, 2016, 09:02:12 PM: Perhaps it's the return of the prodigal son. Mr Gareth Barry....? Can think of anyone else who would fit the bill unless it was either Delph or benteke on loan, or am I miss comprehending the meaning of what's been said?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KRS on August 06, 2016, 09:02:50 PM: I'm intrigued by this "meltdown" transfer rumour that has apparently been stirring on Twitter.

edit:
That sentence may be a bit too much of a temptation to resist for those of you that enjoy a pun fest!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 06, 2016, 09:05:07 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 06, 2016, 07:14:01 PM
Quote from: Clampy on August 06, 2016, 05:21:06 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on August 06, 2016, 03:43:35 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 06, 2016, 03:27:50 PM
Quote from: Quiet Lion on August 06, 2016, 12:56:06 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 06, 2016, 12:51:43 PM
Quote from: Quiet Lion on August 06, 2016, 12:27:26 PM
Quote from: maidstonevillain on August 05, 2016, 06:51:05 PM
Quote from: Dave Cooper please on August 05, 2016, 05:24:21 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on August 05, 2016, 05:21:07 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 05, 2016, 05:15:50 PM
And can we please not use terms like "cancer" when talking about players, no matter how shite they are.

And Chris, it was obviously a joke, so wind your neck in.

So the word Cancer is banned from the site no matter what the definition?

Which bit of "when talking about players" did you miss?

Unless of course we hear of a player with cancer I suppose.

Over the top reaction by all. Cancer is not solely a medical term, and if the original poster was alluding to his supposed malign influence on the dressing room, it wouldn't be wide of the mark.

Of course it is, 'Cancer' is widely used as a metaphor in all sorts of situations. If anyone finds that offensive I suggest they grow a thicker skin.

I suggest you accept that people find different things offensive.

I accept it, but that doesn't make it right. However I know you love nothing better than sitting a top your righteous high horse so I will leave it at that.

No, you'll just leave.
Were you an only child?

I don't really understand why people are getting so upset that they can't use the word 'cancer'. If other people find it offensive why not show a bit of understanding and just use any number of words that get their meaning across without upsetting people.

Ah yes, the way to winning an argument is by being offensive it seems.

It's like when white people say 'if those rappers can use the N word, how come I can't?' and I always think 'why do you want to?'
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ldavfc4eva on August 06, 2016, 09:05:19 PM: Depends on the context of meltdown? Someone so good that we should never be able to sign them? Or someone who has left us under a dark cloud? Who fits the bill for the latter? Barry, downing, Delph? Intrigued to be honest
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt C on August 06, 2016, 09:35:02 PM: Could be Morrison.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tuscans on August 06, 2016, 09:36:44 PM: Quote from: Sexual Ealing on August 06, 2016, 09:05:07 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 06, 2016, 07:14:01 PM
Quote from: Clampy on August 06, 2016, 05:21:06 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on August 06, 2016, 03:43:35 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 06, 2016, 03:27:50 PM
Quote from: Quiet Lion on August 06, 2016, 12:56:06 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 06, 2016, 12:51:43 PM
Quote from: Quiet Lion on August 06, 2016, 12:27:26 PM
Quote from: maidstonevillain on August 05, 2016, 06:51:05 PM
Quote from: Dave Cooper please on August 05, 2016, 05:24:21 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on August 05, 2016, 05:21:07 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 05, 2016, 05:15:50 PM
And can we please not use terms like "cancer" when talking about players, no matter how shite they are.

And Chris, it was obviously a joke, so wind your neck in.

So the word Cancer is banned from the site no matter what the definition?

Which bit of "when talking about players" did you miss?

Unless of course we hear of a player with cancer I suppose.

Over the top reaction by all. Cancer is not solely a medical term, and if the original poster was alluding to his supposed malign influence on the dressing room, it wouldn't be wide of the mark.

Of course it is, 'Cancer' is widely used as a metaphor in all sorts of situations. If anyone finds that offensive I suggest they grow a thicker skin.

I suggest you accept that people find different things offensive.

I accept it, but that doesn't make it right. However I know you love nothing better than sitting a top your righteous high horse so I will leave it at that.

No, you'll just leave.
Were you an only child?

I don't really understand why people are getting so upset that they can't use the word 'cancer'. If other people find it offensive why not show a bit of understanding and just use any number of words that get their meaning across without upsetting people.

Ah yes, the way to winning an argument is by being offensive it seems.

It's like when white people say 'if those rappers can use the N word, how come I can't?' and I always think 'why do you want to?'
Uh!? No it isn't, it's nothing like that at all.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on August 06, 2016, 09:41:35 PM: I'm late to this, the word 'cancer' is offensive to some on here?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: saunders_heroes on August 06, 2016, 09:42:34 PM: Quote from: ldavfc4eva on August 06, 2016, 09:05:19 PM
Depends on the context of meltdown? Someone so good that we should never be able to sign them? Or someone who has left us under a dark cloud? Who fits the bill for the latter? Barry, downing, Delph? Intrigued to be honest

Delph would never darken our door again. I'd love to see Barry return but he can hold his own in the PL and must be nearing record number of appearances, surely? Can't see him dropping down, though I'd love it to be true.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: saunders_heroes on August 06, 2016, 09:42:57 PM: Quote from: PeterWithe on August 06, 2016, 09:41:35 PM
I'm late to this, the word 'cancer' is offensive to some on here?

Looks like it.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: johnny from donny on August 06, 2016, 09:43:29 PM: Guys, without wishing to detract from anybody's right to freedom of expression, can we all move on from the argument. Agree to disagree, whatever it takes. Just draw a line under it please.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Richard E on August 06, 2016, 09:43:56 PM: Quote from: ldavfc4eva on August 06, 2016, 09:05:19 PM
Depends on the context of meltdown? Someone so good that we should never be able to sign them? Or someone who has left us under a dark cloud? Who fits the bill for the latter? Barry, downing, Delph? Intrigued to be honest

It's Steve H***e coming out of retirement. That would be proper meltdown territory.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: LukeJames on August 06, 2016, 09:48:23 PM: Meltdown? were signing Demba Ba-beque.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on August 06, 2016, 09:48:34 PM: Barry would be welcomed back with open arms wouldn't he, he was very well received when coming back with Everton.

Can't see it mind.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on August 06, 2016, 09:49:42 PM: The only thing I can think of would be another four year 60 k a week contract for Gabby.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: four fornicholl on August 06, 2016, 09:50:00 PM: Quote from: Richard E on August 06, 2016, 09:43:56 PM
Quote from: ldavfc4eva on August 06, 2016, 09:05:19 PM
Depends on the context of meltdown? Someone so good that we should never be able to sign them? Or someone who has left us under a dark cloud? Who fits the bill for the latter? Barry, downing, Delph? Intrigued to be honest

It's Steve H***e coming out of retirement. That would be proper meltdown territory.
Frank McAvennie has joined the backroom staff!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on August 06, 2016, 09:50:34 PM: Quote from: johnny from donny on August 06, 2016, 09:43:29 PM
Guys, without wishing to detract from anybody's right to freedom of expression, can we all move on from the argument. Agree to disagree, whatever it takes. Just draw a line under it please.

Rhythm is a dancer.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: john2710 on August 06, 2016, 09:53:06 PM: Quote from: Tuscans on August 06, 2016, 03:43:35 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 06, 2016, 03:27:50 PM
Quote from: Quiet Lion on August 06, 2016, 12:56:06 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 06, 2016, 12:51:43 PM
Quote from: Quiet Lion on August 06, 2016, 12:27:26 PM
Quote from: maidstonevillain on August 05, 2016, 06:51:05 PM
Quote from: Dave Cooper please on August 05, 2016, 05:24:21 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on August 05, 2016, 05:21:07 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 05, 2016, 05:15:50 PM
And can we please not use terms like "cancer" when talking about players, no matter how shite they are.

And Chris, it was obviously a joke, so wind your neck in.

So the word Cancer is banned from the site no matter what the definition?

Which bit of "when talking about players" did you miss?

Unless of course we hear of a player with cancer I suppose.

Over the top reaction by all. Cancer is not solely a medical term, and if the original poster was alluding to his supposed malign influence on the dressing room, it wouldn't be wide of the mark.

Of course it is, 'Cancer' is widely used as a metaphor in all sorts of situations. If anyone finds that offensive I suggest they grow a thicker skin.

I suggest you accept that people find different things offensive.

I accept it, but that doesn't make it right. However I know you love nothing better than sitting a top your righteous high horse so I will leave it at that.

No, you'll just leave.
Were you an only child?

I'm an only child & I'm offended by whatever it is you're trying to insinuate!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on August 06, 2016, 09:57:23 PM: Quote from: saunders_heroes on August 06, 2016, 09:42:57 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on August 06, 2016, 09:41:35 PM
I'm late to this, the word 'cancer' is offensive to some on here?

Looks like it.

Yep, to some it is. Different opinion and all that.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: four fornicholl on August 06, 2016, 10:00:53 PM: Cancer-an evil or destructive practice or phenomenom that is hard to contain or eradicate.CASE CLOSED.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Richard E on August 06, 2016, 10:02:37 PM: Quote from: john2710 on August 06, 2016, 09:53:06 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on August 06, 2016, 03:43:35 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 06, 2016, 03:27:50 PM
Quote from: Quiet Lion on August 06, 2016, 12:56:06 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 06, 2016, 12:51:43 PM
Quote from: Quiet Lion on August 06, 2016, 12:27:26 PM
Quote from: maidstonevillain on August 05, 2016, 06:51:05 PM
Quote from: Dave Cooper please on August 05, 2016, 05:24:21 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on August 05, 2016, 05:21:07 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 05, 2016, 05:15:50 PM
And can we please not use terms like "cancer" when talking about players, no matter how shite they are.

And Chris, it was obviously a joke, so wind your neck in.

So the word Cancer is banned from the site no matter what the definition?

Which bit of "when talking about players" did you miss?

Unless of course we hear of a player with cancer I suppose.

Over the top reaction by all. Cancer is not solely a medical term, and if the original poster was alluding to his supposed malign influence on the dressing room, it wouldn't be wide of the mark.

Of course it is, 'Cancer' is widely used as a metaphor in all sorts of situations. If anyone finds that offensive I suggest they grow a thicker skin.

I suggest you accept that people find different things offensive.

I accept it, but that doesn't make it right. However I know you love nothing better than sitting a top your righteous high horse so I will leave it at that.

No, you'll just leave.
Were you an only child?

I'm an only child & I'm offended by whatever it is you're trying to insinuate!

I'm a c**t and I get offended whenever that is used as a term of abuse on here!

On the other hand it's not as bad as when I get accused of being a lawyer.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tuscans on August 06, 2016, 10:04:42 PM: Quote from: john2710 on August 06, 2016, 09:53:06 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on August 06, 2016, 03:43:35 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 06, 2016, 03:27:50 PM
Quote from: Quiet Lion on August 06, 2016, 12:56:06 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 06, 2016, 12:51:43 PM
Quote from: Quiet Lion on August 06, 2016, 12:27:26 PM
Quote from: maidstonevillain on August 05, 2016, 06:51:05 PM
Quote from: Dave Cooper please on August 05, 2016, 05:24:21 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on August 05, 2016, 05:21:07 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 05, 2016, 05:15:50 PM
And can we please not use terms like "cancer" when talking about players, no matter how shite they are.

And Chris, it was obviously a joke, so wind your neck in.

So the word Cancer is banned from the site no matter what the definition?

Which bit of "when talking about players" did you miss?

Unless of course we hear of a player with cancer I suppose.

Over the top reaction by all. Cancer is not solely a medical term, and if the original poster was alluding to his supposed malign influence on the dressing room, it wouldn't be wide of the mark.

Of course it is, 'Cancer' is widely used as a metaphor in all sorts of situations. If anyone finds that offensive I suggest they grow a thicker skin.

I suggest you accept that people find different things offensive.

I accept it, but that doesn't make it right. However I know you love nothing better than sitting a top your righteous high horse so I will leave it at that.

No, you'll just leave.
Were you an only child?

I'm an only child & I'm offended by whatever it is you're trying to insinuate!
Go on you may as well join in. What's offended you today, your lack of siblings?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 06, 2016, 10:05:29 PM: It's not to hard to grasp the idea that if some people find certain words/phrases offensive it's only polite not to use them.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: in exile on August 06, 2016, 10:06:15 PM: Sorry, I just gotta stop this quote fest
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on August 06, 2016, 10:10:07 PM: My next door neighbour who's in her mid to late 50's moved into a hospice the other day to see out her final days. Maybe she wouldn't be offended by the term used, but her family watching her suffer and knowing she's going to die might. That's the point, just because some people are ok with it, other's might not be. Is that so hard to grasp?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Des Little on August 06, 2016, 10:12:28 PM: Can we move on now please? There's a game on tomorrow
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on August 06, 2016, 10:14:23 PM: I can't agree, there are hundreds of things one might die from contracting, do we stop talking about accidents because someone on here might have a loved one who has died in an accident?

We've all got a thicker skin haven't we.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: b23 on August 06, 2016, 10:14:42 PM: Quote from: john2710 on August 06, 2016, 09:53:06 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on August 06, 2016, 03:43:35 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 06, 2016, 03:27:50 PM
Quote from: Quiet Lion on August 06, 2016, 12:56:06 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 06, 2016, 12:51:43 PM
Quote from: Quiet Lion on August 06, 2016, 12:27:26 PM
Quote from: maidstonevillain on August 05, 2016, 06:51:05 PM
Quote from: Dave Cooper please on August 05, 2016, 05:24:21 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on August 05, 2016, 05:21:07 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 05, 2016, 05:15:50 PM
And can we please not use terms like "cancer" when talking about players, no matter how shite they are.

And Chris, it was obviously a joke, so wind your neck in.

So the word Cancer is banned from the site no matter what the definition?

Which bit of "when talking about players" did you miss?

Unless of course we hear of a player with cancer I suppose.

Over the top reaction by all. Cancer is not solely a medical term, and if the original poster was alluding to his supposed malign influence on the dressing room, it wouldn't be wide of the mark.

Of course it is, 'Cancer' is widely used as a metaphor in all sorts of situations. If anyone finds that offensive I suggest they grow a thicker skin.

I suggest you accept that people find different things offensive.

I accept it, but that doesn't make it right. However I know you love nothing better than sitting a top your righteous high horse so I will leave it at that.

No, you'll just leave.
Were you an only child?

I'm an only child & I'm offended by whatever it is you're trying to insinuate!

Why are you offended ?

What is being insinuated ?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on August 06, 2016, 10:14:57 PM: Sorry, yes let's move on.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: four fornicholl on August 06, 2016, 10:22:07 PM: bENTEKE?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 06, 2016, 10:22:36 PM: Quote from: PeterWithe on August 06, 2016, 10:14:23 PM
I can't agree, there are hundreds of things one might die from contracting, do we stop talking about accidents because someone on here might have a loved one who has died in an accident?

We've all got a thicker skin haven't we.

How about just not saying something that you've been told is offensive? It's not a case of saying they should have thicker skin, more one of basic politeness.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sc00by555 on August 06, 2016, 10:24:52 PM: Could the "meltdown" transfer possibly be Ayew to West Brom?

http://www.espnfc.co.uk/story/2924542/west-brom-planning-move-for-aston-villas-jordan-ayew-sources
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Edvard Remberg on August 06, 2016, 10:27:57 PM: If nobody knows what's going on, maybe there isn't a meltdown?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on August 06, 2016, 10:28:24 PM: Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 06, 2016, 10:22:36 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on August 06, 2016, 10:14:23 PM
I can't agree, there are hundreds of things one might die from contracting, do we stop talking about accidents because someone on here might have a loved one who has died in an accident?

We've all got a thicker skin haven't we.

How about just not saying something that you've been told is offensive? It's not a case of saying they should have thicker skin, more one of basic politeness.

My basic politeness is urging me not to carry this disagreement any further. So I won't.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on August 06, 2016, 10:31:04 PM: It's really simple - you (as an individual) don't get to decide whether someone else (another individual) might be offended by a word or situation or whatever - neither do you get to decide how offended they might feel.

You might feel differently but that has no bearing on the validity of their opinion.

If you know the use of a word or the context of how it is used will offend someone, then if you use it, you are being deliberately provocative, or offensive or just plain being a dick - the fact that you don't find it offensive is immaterial and to think otherwise reveals your ignorance (in my view).

If unsure - google the definition of 'opinion' and also 'fact' and compare the two - people can claim facts and if wrong can be corrected (politely) but opinions are personal and cannot be corrected - your opinion is equally valid, just not superior. UTV.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 06, 2016, 10:32:37 PM: Quote from: PeterWithe on August 06, 2016, 10:28:24 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 06, 2016, 10:22:36 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on August 06, 2016, 10:14:23 PM
I can't agree, there are hundreds of things one might die from contracting, do we stop talking about accidents because someone on here might have a loved one who has died in an accident?

We've all got a thicker skin haven't we.

How about just not saying something that you've been told is offensive? It's not a case of saying they should have thicker skin, more one of basic politeness.

My basic politeness is urging me not to carry this disagreement any further. So I won't.

You've been told by several people that they find a term offensive. I've said that in that case it might be a good idea not to use it. And I'm the bad guy?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: LukeJames on August 06, 2016, 10:34:08 PM: Quote from: sc00by555 on August 06, 2016, 10:24:52 PM
Could the "meltdown" transfer possibly be Ayew to West Brom?

http://www.espnfc.co.uk/story/2924542/west-brom-planning-move-for-aston-villas-jordan-ayew-sources

No matter what division were in respectively, they will never be able to sign players from us that we wish to keep.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on August 06, 2016, 10:35:01 PM: Back on topic - would love it if Benteke came back on loan for a season but I can't see it at any price ... just my opinion, others may feel differently. ;)
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Richard E on August 06, 2016, 10:35:07 PM: Quote from: Russ aka Big Nose on August 06, 2016, 10:31:04 PM
It's really simple - you (as an individual) don't get to decide whether someone else (another individual) might be offended by a word or situation or whatever - neither do you get to decide how offended they might feel.

You might feel differently but that has no bearing on the validity of their opinion.

If you know the use of a word or the context of how it is used will offend someone, then if you use it, you are being deliberately provocative, or offensive or just plain being a dick - the fact that you don't find it offensive is immaterial and to think otherwise reveals your ignorance (in my view).

If unsure - google the definition of 'opinion' and also 'fact' and compare the two - people can claim facts and if wrong can be corrected (politely) but opinions are personal and cannot be corrected - your opinion is equally valid, just not superior. UTV.

Well no, I don't agree with this as a general proposition because it means all discourse would have to be conducted in terms acceptable to the most (over?) sensitive person in the audience. That being said I wouldn't personally have used the term that has caused offence in the context in which it was used.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: four fornicholl on August 06, 2016, 10:37:20 PM: Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 06, 2016, 10:32:37 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on August 06, 2016, 10:28:24 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 06, 2016, 10:22:36 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on August 06, 2016, 10:14:23 PM
I can't agree, there are hundreds of things one might die from contracting, do we stop talking about accidents because someone on here might have a loved one who has died in an accident?

We've all got a thicker skin haven't we.

How about just not saying something that you've been told is offensive? It's not a case of saying they should have thicker skin, more one of basic politeness.

My basic politeness is urging me not to carry this disagreement any further. So I won't.

You've been told by several people that they find a term offensive. I've said that in that case it might be a good idea not to use it. And I'm the bad guy?
Ive got a head that looks a little bit like a knob .Dont you dare....
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on August 06, 2016, 10:37:46 PM: Quote from: Richard E on August 06, 2016, 10:35:07 PM
Quote from: Russ aka Big Nose on August 06, 2016, 10:31:04 PM
It's really simple - you (as an individual) don't get to decide whether someone else (another individual) might be offended by a word or situation or whatever - neither do you get to decide how offended they might feel.

You might feel differently but that has no bearing on the validity of their opinion.

If you know the use of a word or the context of how it is used will offend someone, then if you use it, you are being deliberately provocative, or offensive or just plain being a dick - the fact that you don't find it offensive is immaterial and to think otherwise reveals your ignorance (in my view).

If unsure - google the definition of 'opinion' and also 'fact' and compare the two - people can claim facts and if wrong can be corrected (politely) but opinions are personal and cannot be corrected - your opinion is equally valid, just not superior. UTV.

Well no, I don't agree with this as a general proposition because it means all discourse would have to be conducted in terms acceptable to the most (over?) sensitive person in the audience. That being said I wouldn't personally have used the term that has caused offence in the context in which it was used.

Any why would you personally have not used that term?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Des Little on August 06, 2016, 10:38:24 PM: Where has this 'meltdown transfer' talk come from?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on August 06, 2016, 10:38:38 PM: Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 06, 2016, 10:32:37 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on August 06, 2016, 10:28:24 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 06, 2016, 10:22:36 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on August 06, 2016, 10:14:23 PM
I can't agree, there are hundreds of things one might die from contracting, do we stop talking about accidents because someone on here might have a loved one who has died in an accident?

We've all got a thicker skin haven't we.

How about just not saying something that you've been told is offensive? It's not a case of saying they should have thicker skin, more one of basic politeness.

My basic politeness is urging me not to carry this disagreement any further. So I won't.

You've been told by several people that they find a term offensive. I've said that in that case it might be a good idea not to use it. And I'm the bad guy?

I didn't call you that.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 06, 2016, 10:42:42 PM: Quote from: PeterWithe on August 06, 2016, 10:38:38 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 06, 2016, 10:32:37 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on August 06, 2016, 10:28:24 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 06, 2016, 10:22:36 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on August 06, 2016, 10:14:23 PM
I can't agree, there are hundreds of things one might die from contracting, do we stop talking about accidents because someone on here might have a loved one who has died in an accident?

We've all got a thicker skin haven't we.

How about just not saying something that you've been told is offensive? It's not a case of saying they should have thicker skin, more one of basic politeness.

My basic politeness is urging me not to carry this disagreement any further. So I won't.

You've been told by several people that they find a term offensive. I've said that in that case it might be a good idea not to use it. And I'm the bad guy?

I didn't call you that.

In that case, perhaps we can all accept that we should remember that what is fine to one may not be to another, and move on.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 06, 2016, 10:43:15 PM: this meltdown talk originates from a post on VT from 'Richard' who, I think, was merely responding to a host of silly puns relating in some form to the word egg - he then posted a picture of two melting eggs with the strapline prepare for a meltdown , or words to that effect.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on August 06, 2016, 10:44:57 PM: Quote from: Richard E on August 06, 2016, 10:35:07 PM
Quote from: Russ aka Big Nose on August 06, 2016, 10:31:04 PM
It's really simple - you (as an individual) don't get to decide whether someone else (another individual) might be offended by a word or situation or whatever - neither do you get to decide how offended they might feel.

You might feel differently but that has no bearing on the validity of their opinion.

If you know the use of a word or the context of how it is used will offend someone, then if you use it, you are being deliberately provocative, or offensive or just plain being a dick - the fact that you don't find it offensive is immaterial and to think otherwise reveals your ignorance (in my view).

If unsure - google the definition of 'opinion' and also 'fact' and compare the two - people can claim facts and if wrong can be corrected (politely) but opinions are personal and cannot be corrected - your opinion is equally valid, just not superior. UTV.

Well no, I don't agree with this as a general proposition because it means all discourse would have to be conducted in terms acceptable to the most (over?) sensitive person in the audience. That being said I wouldn't personally have used the term that has caused offence in the context in which it was used.

Fair point - generally for a forum like this to operate 'sensibly' then a consensus or norm is found. This distraction has been a rare instance of that norm not being easily achieved.

That said, it is still valid that it is nonsense to challenge the opinion of another just because it does not match your own - disagree yes, but refute, no. It is a pet hate, but it drives me bonkers that people confuse or intentionally conflict opinions and facts - most usually politicians. Cheers.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: b23 on August 06, 2016, 10:45:03 PM: Quote from: Russ aka Big Nose on August 06, 2016, 10:31:04 PM
It's really simple - you (as an individual) don't get to decide whether someone else (another individual) might be offended by a word or situation or whatever - neither do you get to decide how offended they might feel.

You might feel differently but that has no bearing on the validity of their opinion.

If you know the use of a word or the context of how it is used will offend someone, then if you use it, you are being deliberately provocative, or offensive or just plain being a dick - the fact that you don't find it offensive is immaterial and to think otherwise reveals your ignorance (in my view).

If unsure - google the definition of 'opinion' and also 'fact' and compare the two - people can claim facts and if wrong can be corrected (politely) but opinions are personal and cannot be corrected - your opinion is equally valid, just not superior. UTV.

Like the Brexit vote ?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: four fornicholl on August 06, 2016, 10:45:59 PM: Is it Benteke?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on August 06, 2016, 10:47:50 PM: Quote from: PeterWithe on August 06, 2016, 10:14:57 PM
Sorry, yes let's move on.

Yes, of course.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Des Little on August 06, 2016, 10:47:55 PM: Don't take offence to this (actually you can if you like) but this isn't the thread for a debate on morality. It's a thread for discussing which players we should/can sign to get us back into the Prem pronto.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on August 06, 2016, 10:50:25 PM: Quote from: Des Little on August 06, 2016, 10:47:55 PM
Don't take offence to this (actually you can if you like) bit this isn't the thread for a debate on morality. It's a thread for which players we should/can sign to get us back into the Prem pronto.

If we sign Marlon King, free from disease or not, I reserve the right to be offended. Mortally.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on August 06, 2016, 10:55:18 PM: b23 - Brexit was a very good (or rather, terrible) example of people intentionally presenting opinion as fact - and whether you are happy with the outcome or not, the quality of debate was poorer as a result.

It drives me up the wall. There is even a major TV advertising campaign entirely predicated on the assertion that something is not a forecast, it is a fact and not an (informed) opinion/guess - I might even be enough of a pedant to contact the ASA!

I sort of work in the media and that they do it intentionally also grates with me terribly - as does their wish to create opposing positions, i.e. that informed debate is served by creating 'heat' rather than 'light' when in my view the opposite is true.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: villadelph on August 06, 2016, 11:07:39 PM: What the hell is going on in this thread.

Christ almighty.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on August 06, 2016, 11:09:45 PM: Please, if you wish to open a new thread about what you personally might get upset about, such as, use of the word cancer, on a message board, can you please open the thread and debate in off topic over there. I am beginning to think that people are deliberately trying to derail the transfer thread by revisiting and revisiting what was discussed several pages ago. No, I am not a mod and yes, who the fuck do I think I am, STOP please!!!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brontebilly on August 06, 2016, 11:12:07 PM: Chris Forrester with two goals today for Peterborough. Surprised they have been able to hold onto him so far in the transfer window. They made him captain a few weeks back.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 06, 2016, 11:12:39 PM: We need Footyskillz to step in with possible transfer targets
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: LukeJames on August 06, 2016, 11:16:20 PM: Quote from: brontebilly on August 06, 2016, 11:12:07 PM
Chris Forrester with two goals today for Peterborough. Surprised they have been able to hold onto him so far in the transfer window. They made him captain a few weeks back.

What ever happened to harry forrester? He looked like a cracking prospect at one point?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: john2710 on August 06, 2016, 11:18:48 PM: Quote from: b23 on August 06, 2016, 10:14:42 PM
Quote from: john2710 on August 06, 2016, 09:53:06 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on August 06, 2016, 03:43:35 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 06, 2016, 03:27:50 PM
Quote from: Quiet Lion on August 06, 2016, 12:56:06 PM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 06, 2016, 12:51:43 PM
Quote from: Quiet Lion on August 06, 2016, 12:27:26 PM
Quote from: maidstonevillain on August 05, 2016, 06:51:05 PM
Quote from: Dave Cooper please on August 05, 2016, 05:24:21 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on August 05, 2016, 05:21:07 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 05, 2016, 05:15:50 PM
And can we please not use terms like "cancer" when talking about players, no matter how shite they are.

And Chris, it was obviously a joke, so wind your neck in.

So the word Cancer is banned from the site no matter what the definition?

Which bit of "when talking about players" did you miss?

Unless of course we hear of a player with cancer I suppose.

Over the top reaction by all. Cancer is not solely a medical term, and if the original poster was alluding to his supposed malign influence on the dressing room, it wouldn't be wide of the mark.

Of course it is, 'Cancer' is widely used as a metaphor in all sorts of situations. If anyone finds that offensive I suggest they grow a thicker skin.

I suggest you accept that people find different things offensive.

I accept it, but that doesn't make it right. However I know you love nothing better than sitting a top your righteous high horse so I will leave it at that.

No, you'll just leave.
Were you an only child?

I'm an only child & I'm offended by whatever it is you're trying to insinuate!

Why are you offended ?

What is being insinuated ?

I was being sarcastic but apologise in advance if that offends anyone.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on August 06, 2016, 11:19:24 PM: Hasn't Forrester gone to Rangers in Scotland?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Karlos96 on August 06, 2016, 11:20:59 PM: Quote from: LukeJames on August 06, 2016, 11:16:20 PM
Quote from: brontebilly on August 06, 2016, 11:12:07 PM
Chris Forrester with two goals today for Peterborough. Surprised they have been able to hold onto him so far in the transfer window. They made him captain a few weeks back.

What ever happened to harry forrester? He looked like a cracking prospect at one point?

He's at Rangers came on as a sub today and set up the equaliser.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 06, 2016, 11:21:39 PM: Harry Forrester has, yes. Came on as sub today.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: LukeJames on August 06, 2016, 11:26:05 PM: Aaaagh thanks, He's at a big club then...

He genuinly looked like a prospect in the youth teams, made the game look easy, as exciting as Grealish and Dan Crowley at there age.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Broughty-Villian on August 06, 2016, 11:31:00 PM: Quote from: villadelph on August 06, 2016, 11:07:39 PM
What the hell is going on in this thread.

Christ almighty.

Personally, I'm offended by your name having connections with the biggest snake ever to grace VP, but hey I cant spell Villain.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: LeeB on August 06, 2016, 11:37:16 PM: Quote from: mr underhill on August 06, 2016, 10:43:15 PM
this meltdown talk originates from a post on VT from 'Richard' who, I think, was merely responding to a host of silly puns relating in some form to the word egg - he then posted a picture of two melting eggs with the strapline prepare for a meltdown , or words to that effect.

The big fucking question here is how in the holy name of the Lord do you melt an egg?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on August 06, 2016, 11:42:20 PM: With some fire, scarecrow.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: LeeB on August 06, 2016, 11:44:41 PM: Quote from: Ads on August 06, 2016, 11:42:20 PM
With some fire, scarecrow.

That makes it go hard, you pleb.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: TB on August 06, 2016, 11:45:27 PM: Sprinkle it with lysergic acid diethylamide?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on August 06, 2016, 11:50:28 PM: Quote from: brontebilly on August 06, 2016, 11:12:07 PM
Chris Forrester with two goals today for Peterborough. Surprised they have been able to hold onto him so far in the transfer window. They made him captain a few weeks back.

Without checking Wikipedia - young, Irish, probably signed from somewhere like Cork or Dundalk a couple of years ago, done very little since coming to England?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: LeeB on August 06, 2016, 11:53:28 PM: Quote from: Dave on August 06, 2016, 11:50:28 PM
Quote from: brontebilly on August 06, 2016, 11:12:07 PM
Chris Forrester with two goals today for Peterborough. Surprised they have been able to hold onto him so far in the transfer window. They made him captain a few weeks back.

Without checking Wikipedia - young, Irish, probably signed from somewhere like Cork or Dundalk a couple of years ago, done very little since coming to England?

How did you guess? Uncanny.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: markeeeebeeee2005 on August 07, 2016, 12:00:02 AM: .
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Arsey on August 07, 2016, 12:08:03 AM: Would Ayew leaving really cause a meltdown??

Meltdown signing implies that it is someone we are signing, which makes no sense unless it was Delph on loan, which also makes no sense.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on August 07, 2016, 12:30:05 AM: Quote from: LeeB on August 06, 2016, 11:44:41 PM
Quote from: Ads on August 06, 2016, 11:42:20 PM
With some fire, scarecrow.

That makes it go hard, you pleb.

Oooh matron!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Small Rodent on August 07, 2016, 01:05:40 AM: Quote from: Clampy on August 06, 2016, 09:57:23 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on August 06, 2016, 09:42:57 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on August 06, 2016, 09:41:35 PM
I'm late to this, the word 'cancer' is offensive to some on here?

Looks like it.

Yep, to some it is. Different opinion and all that.

It's the use of the word aimed at a player.

Yes, the word "cancer" is used in a lot of literature to describe something nasty gnawing away at an otherwise healthy body, but really...to be used in a shitty little game called football because we're upset that our darlings kept losing?

Context.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on August 07, 2016, 01:07:24 AM: Quote from: Arsey on August 07, 2016, 12:08:03 AM
Would Ayew leaving really cause a meltdown??

Meltdown signing implies that it is someone we are signing, which makes no sense unless it was Delph on loan, which also makes no sense.

Maybe it's the agbonlahor instagram-potential move away ???
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Small Rodent on August 07, 2016, 01:11:53 AM: I'm looking forward to the match now.

The promise of new signings hopefully will have them all playing for their positions.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 07, 2016, 05:27:36 AM: I'd love us to get Giovinco from my Toronto FC. He's not an out and out striker, plays a little deeper usually, almost in an attacking midfield spot. Yet hattrick tonight in a 4-1 win making it 15 goals in 22 games. He has been amazing since joining, but I am convinced he could do it at a higher level.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 07, 2016, 07:31:28 AM: Excellent player, though doesn't he play exactly the position that McCormack, ayew and grealish all want to play in?

Would rather we prioritise a right sided midfielder, a mobile no 9, a dominating central midfielder, and a right back
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: MonsXI on August 07, 2016, 07:46:32 AM: Quote from: Matt Collins on August 07, 2016, 07:31:28 AM
Excellent player, though doesn't he play exactly the position that McCormack, ayew and grealish all want to play in?

Would rather we prioritise a right sided midfielder, a mobile no 9, a dominating central midfielder, and a right back

Isnt Tshibola a dominating CM? He certainly has the physique to be one.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 07, 2016, 07:48:06 AM: True. I guess he's unproven. I think jedinak would be a good option
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: MonsXI on August 07, 2016, 07:50:55 AM: Quote from: Matt Collins on August 07, 2016, 07:48:06 AM
True. I guess he's unproven. I think jedinak would be a good option

Definitely ive always liked Jedinak I think his personality would maybe help transform others around him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: liam on August 07, 2016, 07:53:03 AM: Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 07, 2016, 05:27:36 AM
I'd love us to get Giovinco from my Toronto FC. He's not an out and out striker, plays a little deeper usually, almost in an attacking midfield spot. Yet hattrick tonight in a 4-1 win making it 15 goals in 22 games. He has been amazing since joining, but I am convinced he could do it at a higher level.
I was out in Toronto with work early July and went to Toronto v Chicago and thought Giovinco was fantastic, easily the best player on the pitch with great vision. Good atmosphere at the game as well- really enjoyed my night evening there- I even bought a Toronto FC cap (Adidas quality was so good)
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: frank black on August 07, 2016, 08:20:06 AM: Has Ayew gone to the baggies yet?

He would leapfrog Hodge and Delph if that happened.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Damo70 on August 07, 2016, 08:26:28 AM: Due to house renovations I am currently sleeping in my teenage sons room while he is staying with my parents. I have just realised that his collection of Villa posters from the matchday programme are very suddenly out of date. He has twenty pictures of 'Villa players' on the wall. Only three of the twenty are still with us.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 07, 2016, 08:27:56 AM: Just watching the (bad) channel 5 highlights programme

Striking how many goals coming from corners. There were suggestions RDM wants a set piece specialist. That would be a really good shout

Also there are more old fashioned goals - get it wide and get it in the box. You can see why gestede could still be a real threat. Not with Hutton swinging them in though!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tom_Mc9? on August 07, 2016, 08:34:32 AM: Quote from: frank black on August 07, 2016, 08:20:06 AM
Has Ayew gone to the baggies yet?

He would leapfrog Hodge and Delph if that happened.

I know it's all relative and it's part of the game, but I'm really beginning not to care about players leaving. They all do - they're not tied down to Villa for life. If he joins West Brom, so what? He's good, potentially very good but not great. If he sits out his contract and leaves for say, Marseilles, he wouldn't be looked back on as a Villa legend, so does it really matter? As long as the lot on the pitch give their all that's what matters.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tom_Mc9? on August 07, 2016, 08:37:14 AM: Quote from: Matt Collins on August 07, 2016, 08:27:56 AM
Just watching the (bad) channel 5 highlights programme

Striking how many goals coming from corners. There were suggestions RDM wants a set piece specialist. That would be a really good shout

It was awful, wasn't it? I particularly liked the parts where they missed out the highlights and went straight into punditry (used loosely).

Haven't we already got Westwood for that? On a more serious note - McCormack?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Damo70 on August 07, 2016, 08:40:48 AM: Quote from: Tom_Mc9? on August 07, 2016, 08:34:32 AM
Quote from: frank black on August 07, 2016, 08:20:06 AM
Has Ayew gone to the baggies yet?

He would leapfrog Hodge and Delph if that happened.

I know it's all relative and it's part of the game, but I'm really beginning not to care about players leaving. They all do - they're not tied down to Villa for life. If he joins West Brom, so what? He's good, potentially very good but not great. If he sits out his contract and leaves for say, Marseilles, he wouldn't be looked back on as a Villa legend, so does it really matter? As long as the lot on the pitch give their all that's what matters.

I think the last time I really cared about a player leaving was Tony Morley to Albion. Then it really hurt when I saw him wear a Small Heath shirt on loan. As for last season's bunch I would happily drive them to wherever they wanted to go and wouldn't even ask them for the petrol money.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Mister E on August 07, 2016, 09:54:09 AM: Quote from: Tom_Mc9? on August 07, 2016, 08:37:14 AM
Quote from: Matt Collins on August 07, 2016, 08:27:56 AM
Just watching the (bad) channel 5 highlights programme

Striking how many goals coming from corners. There were suggestions RDM wants a set piece specialist. That would be a really good shout

It was awful, wasn't it? I particularly liked the parts where they missed out the highlights and went straight into punditry (used loosely).

Haven't we already got Westwood for that? On a more serious note - McCormack?
The programme was terrible. The editing was crap, and Michael Gray is about as interesting as a plank of wood.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Richard E on August 07, 2016, 09:58:30 AM: Quote from: Damo70 on August 07, 2016, 08:40:48 AM
Quote from: Tom_Mc9? on August 07, 2016, 08:34:32 AM
Quote from: frank black on August 07, 2016, 08:20:06 AM
Has Ayew gone to the baggies yet?

He would leapfrog Hodge and Delph if that happened.

I know it's all relative and it's part of the game, but I'm really beginning not to care about players leaving. They all do - they're not tied down to Villa for life. If he joins West Brom, so what? He's good, potentially very good but not great. If he sits out his contract and leaves for say, Marseilles, he wouldn't be looked back on as a Villa legend, so does it really matter? As long as the lot on the pitch give their all that's what matters.

I think the last time I really cared about a player leaving was Tony Morley to Albion. Then it really hurt when I saw him wear a Small Heath shirt on loan. As for last season's bunch I would happily drive them to wherever they wanted to go and wouldn't even ask them for the petrol money.

If they were going to Albion yes, but if they were off to Newcastle or Sunderland then I think I'd want a fiver off them at least.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tony Erdington on August 07, 2016, 10:05:40 AM: wheres this come from Ayew to the olbiyun?

really hope this is not true, any way to go to the olbiyun is a step down, small club
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villafirst on August 07, 2016, 10:20:39 AM: There's no release clause on Ayew? If not, we could ask £25M and the baggies wouldn't shell out that amount. Anyway, Dr Xia said he isn't going anywhere.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Nastylee on August 07, 2016, 10:31:48 AM: There's no way the Doc would sanction that. He wants to be loved by the fans so selling to a rival is the last thing he'd do. It would be terrible PR.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on August 07, 2016, 10:48:29 AM: Sinclair to Celtic confirmed.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Nelson Lodge on August 07, 2016, 11:36:37 AM: Now that Sinclair has gone and the number 9 shirt is vacant can we please recruit someone who is fit to wear it. A proper centre forward.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: The_ads on August 07, 2016, 02:28:38 PM: Quote from: Nelson Lodge on August 07, 2016, 11:36:37 AM
Now that Sinclair has gone and the number 9 shirt is vacant can we please recruit someone who is fit to wear it. A proper centre forward.

You mean like the one we've just spent £12m on?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Gareth on August 07, 2016, 03:24:04 PM: If we are going to get another centre half would be v happy with one of our opposition today, Tom Lees.

Would love the defence come 1st September to be

Cyrus Christie / Tom Lees / Tommy Elphick / Jordan Amavi

Sure it'll only take the thick end of 20m to make it happen :-)
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: paulcomben on August 07, 2016, 05:57:53 PM: Where will Lescott & Agnonlahor go? US or China or Qatar?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: paul_e on August 07, 2016, 06:30:25 PM: As I said, McCormack wasn't the striker we desperately needed in by today, it was someone to replace Gestede not someone to play with him. You just aren't going to win games if your number 9 is totally bypassed for 90minutes.

A good right back is needed as well, Hutton just isn't good enough and I can't work out why so many people don't see it.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 07, 2016, 06:42:15 PM: Number 9 definitely still the priority for me

Probably central midfielder next.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on August 07, 2016, 06:47:18 PM: Number 9, right back, centre mid, attacking mid. Bare minimum and have to be players that walk in to the side, not that that's much of a benchmark.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: paul_e on August 07, 2016, 06:50:50 PM: Quote from: aj2k77 on August 07, 2016, 06:47:18 PM
Number 9, right back, centre mid, attacking mid. Bare minimum and have to be players that walk in to the side, not that that's much of a benchmark.

In that order and I'd accept them not getting the last of those if they get the other 3 right.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on August 07, 2016, 06:52:30 PM: Quote from: aj2k77 on August 07, 2016, 06:47:18 PM
Number 9, right back, centre mid, attacking mid. Bare minimum and have to be players that walk in to the side, not that that's much of a benchmark.
Yep. This. I'd like a bit more experience and some more decent characters too. Elphick and McCormack is a good start. They have the right mentality.
Get Jedinak and one of Hernandez and Kodija in. Then a decent right back and someone who will create and/or score goals from midfield in this division. There's not a CM at the club I'm happy to be starting to be honest. A player like Tish has potential but would definitely benefit from playing with someone like Jedinak by his side.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SteveN on August 07, 2016, 06:58:09 PM: Whatever we do this window I think it might take another two windows to get the squad we need together.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on August 07, 2016, 07:01:14 PM: Our next six won't be as difficult as this. On paper...
gulp.

We better get some players in quick.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: taylorsworkrate on August 07, 2016, 07:13:15 PM: Quote from: supertom on August 07, 2016, 07:01:14 PM
Our next six won't be as difficult as this. On paper...
gulp.

We better get some players in quick.

Yep, need a couple in before the next league game at least.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 07, 2016, 07:16:45 PM: Can we sign some actual midfielders please?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tony Erdington on August 07, 2016, 07:24:04 PM: Quote from: SoccerHQ on August 07, 2016, 07:16:45 PM
Can we sign some actual midfielders please?

surely RDM IS working on it
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: avfcpg on August 07, 2016, 07:29:02 PM: Jedinak is just what we need and I'd still like Vertoute to have a run in this league.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on August 07, 2016, 07:35:05 PM: Quote from: SoccerHQ on August 07, 2016, 07:16:45 PM
Can we sign some actual midfielders please?

Thought you said Gardner was decent at this level?

Crying out for some mobility. Nothing novel, but Gestede without Amavi's delivery is pointless.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aev on August 07, 2016, 07:48:12 PM: Quote from: Ads on August 07, 2016, 07:35:05 PM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on August 07, 2016, 07:16:45 PM
Can we sign some actual midfielders please?

Thought you said Gardner was decent at this level?

Crying out for some mobility. Nothing novel, but Gestede without Amavi's delivery is pointless.

Id agree with this. Playing Gusted is fine if you are then going to play to his strengths. I am not sure we had anyone other than McCormack that could cross the ball.

We were light in midfield i think as effectively we played with 3 up top - none of whom were able or willing to track back.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brontebilly on August 07, 2016, 08:22:54 PM: Quote from: avfcpg on August 07, 2016, 07:29:02 PM
Jedinak is just what we need and I'd still like Vertoute to have a run in this league.

Hardly a good sign for Veretout that he didnt even make the bench today
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: avfcpg on August 07, 2016, 08:30:16 PM: Quote from: brontebilly on August 07, 2016, 08:22:54 PM
Quote from: avfcpg on August 07, 2016, 07:29:02 PM
Jedinak is just what we need and I'd still like Vertoute to have a run in this league.

Hardly a good sign for Veretout that he didnt even make the bench today
I know...still think there's a ball player in there. Looks as though he's toast though...
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Duncan Shaw on August 07, 2016, 08:31:21 PM: Quote from: avfcpg on August 07, 2016, 08:30:16 PM
Quote from: brontebilly on August 07, 2016, 08:22:54 PM
Quote from: avfcpg on August 07, 2016, 07:29:02 PM
Jedinak is just what we need and I'd still like Vertoute to have a run in this league.

Hardly a good sign for Veretout that he didnt even make the bench today
I know...still think there's a ball player in there. Looks as though he's toast though...
I'd forgotten we still have him!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Mister E on August 07, 2016, 09:12:15 PM: I would not prioritise right back, although Hutton is not the best. The MF is absolutely where we need to strengthen, followed by a decent CF.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Risso on August 07, 2016, 09:19:15 PM: Quote from: brontebilly on August 07, 2016, 08:22:54 PM
Quote from: avfcpg on August 07, 2016, 07:29:02 PM
Jedinak is just what we need and I'd still like Vertoute to have a run in this league.

Hardly a good sign for Veretout that he didnt even make the bench today

I think that will be because he's rubbish.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on August 07, 2016, 09:21:47 PM: He's got to be bad to have Gardner, Westwood and Bacuna ahead of him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on August 07, 2016, 09:24:13 PM: He's better than Gardner, Veretout is slow but Gardner looks like an Action Replay.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 07, 2016, 09:25:28 PM: Quote from: Risso on August 07, 2016, 09:19:15 PM
Quote from: brontebilly on August 07, 2016, 08:22:54 PM
Quote from: avfcpg on August 07, 2016, 07:29:02 PM
Jedinak is just what we need and I'd still like Vertoute to have a run in this league.

Hardly a good sign for Veretout that he didnt even make the bench today

I think that will be because he's rubbish.

I think Veretout has plenty of talent.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Risso on August 07, 2016, 09:27:47 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 07, 2016, 09:25:28 PM
Quote from: Risso on August 07, 2016, 09:19:15 PM
Quote from: brontebilly on August 07, 2016, 08:22:54 PM
Quote from: avfcpg on August 07, 2016, 07:29:02 PM
Jedinak is just what we need and I'd still like Vertoute to have a run in this league.

Hardly a good sign for Veretout that he didnt even make the bench today

I think that will be because he's rubbish.

I think Veretout has plenty of talent.

Just not enough to get in the squad, let alone to oust the desperately poor Westwood or Gardener from the team.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: adrenachrome on August 07, 2016, 09:30:32 PM: Quote from: Risso on August 07, 2016, 09:19:15 PM
Quote from: brontebilly on August 07, 2016, 08:22:54 PM
Quote from: avfcpg on August 07, 2016, 07:29:02 PM
Jedinak is just what we need and I'd still like Vertoute to have a run in this league.

Hardly a good sign for Veretout that he didnt even make the bench today

I think that will be because he's rubbish.

It seems that RDM does not rate him anyway, which surprises me somewhat. I would guess that he thinks the Championship is below him and has conveyed this to the manager. With most of these issues we never find out the truth of the matter, but this time I am optimistic on that score.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 07, 2016, 09:35:08 PM: Club have told Veretout he can leave on loan so can't see him featuring unless he dosen't get a move.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt C on August 07, 2016, 09:38:25 PM: Imagine we'll see him, Sanchez and Kozak all leave next.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villafirst on August 07, 2016, 09:43:40 PM: It's all very well ditching these players but where are the replacements? Squad is very short on quality in midfield.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 07, 2016, 09:45:22 PM: Quote from: Ads on August 07, 2016, 07:35:05 PM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on August 07, 2016, 07:16:45 PM
Can we sign some actual midfielders please?

Thought you said Gardner was decent at this level?

Crying out for some mobility. Nothing novel, but Gestede without Amavi's delivery is pointless.

Gardner can't hack it in a two man midfield as in fairness you said on his thread.

Pretty sure Forest played him, Vaughan/Cohen and lansbury in a 3 man midfield last season.

In any case he prefers sitting deep...as does Westwood so really we're repeating the same mistakes as in the premier league in having midfielders who can pass sideways infront of back 4 but are allergic to crossing the halfway line.

Jedinak + Morrison or Hendrick would make a lot of difference to things.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 07, 2016, 09:50:12 PM: Quote from: SoccerHQ on August 07, 2016, 09:35:08 PM
Club have told Veretout he can leave on loan so can't see him featuring unless he dosen't get a move.

Clearly we're signing a creative midfielder.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on August 07, 2016, 10:04:54 PM: Gardner alongside a physical/combative partner could work I suppose. Someone to do the graft, while he sits back and sprays the passes. Maybe Tish could develop into that player
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 07, 2016, 10:15:08 PM: Quote from: UK Redsox on August 07, 2016, 10:04:54 PM
Gardner alongside a physical/combative partner could work I suppose. Someone to do the graft, while he sits back and sprays the passes. Maybe Tish could develop into that player

To be honest Gardner showed nothing today in any sort of capacity. His game needs to improve massively.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on August 07, 2016, 10:17:14 PM: It might, but Westwood looked a hell of a lot better (to the point where he was less pointy and more useful).
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 07, 2016, 10:18:31 PM: Just think that at one stage someone paid £9m for Hutton and £15m for cissokho. And that's when those sums were a lot of money

Hutton in fairness was ok today in the second half. Bad first half

Hoping we see Amavi soon
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on August 07, 2016, 10:21:04 PM: That's because he didn't do much defending. Interesting to note that Alan Hutton forced the opposition deeper. Alan Hutton.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 07, 2016, 10:24:11 PM: Cissokho was dire. No need to play the back pass either.

Judging on his buys today RDM seems to know what he's doing. A more mobile striker then Gestede and a creative box to box midfielder plus a leader in the middle of the park will help. I would love to see a proper winger on one side.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: paul_e on August 07, 2016, 11:56:49 PM: Quote from: Ads on August 07, 2016, 10:21:04 PM
That's because he didn't do much defending. Interesting to note that Alan Hutton forced the opposition deeper. Alan Hutton.

Hutton forced them deeper by running a bit and being up the pitch but he didn't put in a single decent cross or create anything. The one when he was put in behind and had the chance to cut it back he took at leazst half a second too long and just wasted the space, was a tap in if he'd played the ball earlier. Him and Cissokho both have the same problem, namely they d'n t have the confidence or ability to cross with their first touch, so they take 3-4-5 touches, let defenders get in position and then have nothing to hit and either pass backwards or hit an aimless one into the box. They're our out ball and they get possession in great areas to hurt teams but are totally incapable of using that so teams don't fear them at all. Get Amavi and Bacuna at full back and get them hitting first time crosses in from those areas near the edge of the box and the game would be so much easier because they'd have to be marked by wide midfielders and we'd have space in the middle. Add a quick 9 who can run in behind and suddenly the pitch would feel massive. This is why I think Westwood, Tish and Gards need a bit more of a chance, I think all of them will look better if we can get them that space and give them options.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: OCD on August 08, 2016, 12:10:32 AM: I'm surprised Cissokho is ahead of Bennett too. Bacuna at right back is ok until we have opposition with a decent left midfielder. It would be better if we could shift Richards and get somebody in who would be a first choice right back and make Hutton a back-up for the season before moving him on (his contract may be up at the end of the season, not 100% sure though).
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on August 08, 2016, 12:15:46 AM: Jedinak and Morrison in before the Derby game. That's my prediction.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on August 08, 2016, 12:22:59 AM: Quote from: ozzjim on August 07, 2016, 10:24:11 PM
Cissokho was dire. No need to play the back pass either.

Judging on his buys today RDM seems to know what he's doing. A more mobile striker then Gestede and a creative box to box midfielder plus a leader in the middle of the park will help. I would love to see a proper winger on one side.

Striker is a must, but today showed we desperately need to address the midfield area. Westwood looked as slow and weak in the Championship as he did in the top flight and Gardner was very ineffectual. One dodgy pass aside, Tshibola did OK when he came on and I think that is what we need in there, physically strong, mobile players. We need to move on from Westwood.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 08, 2016, 05:21:04 AM: and yet manager after manager has him in the team. WTF?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 08, 2016, 08:47:11 AM: Quote from: avfcpg on August 07, 2016, 07:29:02 PM
Jedinak is just what we need and I'd still like Vertoute to have a run in this league.

Yes, me too.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on August 08, 2016, 08:52:33 AM: Could not agree more Mr U. What makes me despair, even yesterday's defeat, is the pace that everything moves at Villa Park. It is the original slow motion car crash. We took eighteen months too long to get rid of Lambert, Sherwood wasted months on highly speculative and ultimately doomed random signing and attempts at signings. Enter Garde and months of losing without a single signing then the worst time waster of all Eric Black, who like the manager in the film Moneyball said I am not picking teams to win, I am picking teams to justify at my next job interview. Now we have a completely new set of incumbents but, like the losing mentality of the players, they have assumed the "plenty of time" mindset. There is NOT plenty of time. That is the approach of the student in bed at dinner time saying there is plenty of time to do the essay.
We have known for months that Cissoko and Hutton are massively error prone, that Westwood is too lightweight both mentally and physically, that Gardner's surgery has left him a shadow of the player he promised to be, that Gestede is a very limited, one dimensional, easily intimidated player. These revelations have not crept up on us. Nobody in their right mind would suggest knee jerk signings but the reverse is also true. While the names of Westwood, Bacuna, Cissoko, Hutton and Gestede get on the team sheet every week on the nod and better players either do not even make the bench or get a quarter of an hour game time we will not put the string of wins together needed to end the slow motion car crash. An air of urgency is needed at Villa Park. It is not apparent, least not to me.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 08, 2016, 08:54:37 AM: on the money Brian as ever. Couldn't agree more - here's the new boss, same as the old boss. please Dr T prove me wrong.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on August 08, 2016, 09:19:23 AM: Or may i suggest, after only one game that a bit of paitence is installed. We won 3 league games last season, it may well take longer than some people like to turn this thing around.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sickbeggar on August 08, 2016, 09:20:07 AM: Quote from: brian green on August 08, 2016, 08:52:33 AM
. While the names of Westwood, Bacuna, Cissoko, Hutton and Gestede get on the team sheet every week on the nod and better players either do not even make the bench or get a quarter of an hour game time we will not put the string of wins together needed to end the slow motion car crash. An air of urgency is needed at Villa Park. It is not apparent, least not to me.

Just whom are these better players? I'm sorry, but while i agree those named are hardly good enough for us, this core of better players in the reserves that successive managers are ignoring idea doesn't make sense to me. I'm well aware managers have "blind spots" where certain players are involved or just don't fancy them, but it seems to be a consensus of opinion across the managers we've had, good or bad, that these players can't hack it. RDM, like the previous managers see's these players everyday in training, in practice matches and makes the call based on that and it's unlikely he's dazzled by what he's see's from these players and then goes, "f*ck it, I'll pick Bacuna". If the likes of Vertout, Grealish, a.n.others, cant make the bench or the squad even in our reduced circumstances its likely there's a very good reason. i.e., they're bobbins.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on August 08, 2016, 09:20:09 AM: We're being a little harsh aren't we?

Xia has been in since June and we're expecting all matters to be resolved? We have players, like all teams, who aren't quite up to speed on fitness for one reason or another. The difference is that ours are better than most. Despite that, we played one of the better sides in the league, saw a nothing first half where we were poor and dominated them in the second.

Incoming players are being actively worked on. The manager has told us, as has the chairman.

I really don't think the criticism is justified at all.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on August 08, 2016, 09:29:20 AM: Quote from: Ads on August 08, 2016, 09:20:09 AM
We're being a little harsh aren't we?

Xia has been in since June and we're expecting all matters to be resolved? We have players, like all teams, who aren't quite up to speed on fitness for one reason or another. The difference is that ours are better than most. Despite that, we played one of the better sides in the league, saw a nothing first half where we were poor and dominated them in the second.

Incoming players are being actively worked on. The manager has told us, as has the chairman.

I really don't think the criticism is justified at all.

This. I don't understand Brian's or Mr Underhil's criticism at all. They just sound like kneejerk reactions to a defeat. It was disappointing yes, but there's a heck of a long way to go.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on August 08, 2016, 10:27:55 AM: Well, for starters, Ads is fifty years younger than I am and I would guess the average age of posters on here is about 40. You have time to appreciate a less urgent approach, I don't have that luxury. But personal reasons apart to address the question who are these players we have who are better than those who fill the team sheet as a foregone conclusion, I give you Grealish, Hepburn-Murphy, Lyden, Toner, Bennett, Green and Davis for starters, all of whom (except Davis whom I have not seen) impressed me in pre season. Add to those Veretout (who has not had a fraction of the slack cut for Westwood) and Traore and Amavi when fit and I see absolutely no reason why we need, from here on in, to go on picking proven losing players.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on August 08, 2016, 10:44:17 AM: Quote from: brian green on August 08, 2016, 10:27:55 AM
Well, for starters, Ads is fifty years younger than I am and I would guess the average age of posters on here is about 40. You have time to appreciate a less urgent approach, I don't have that luxury.

You could argue Brian that you've had the luxury of seeing us (or being able to remember fully in my case) win the League, European Cup and the Super Cup.

For me, the worst thing for us to do is rush players in for the sake of it. I would agree though that there are players there who have had more than enough chances. Westwood for me is the main one and Gestede is starting to become another. Hopefully when RDM starts to bring his own players in, he'll pick the side he wants and players like that will be on the bench or gone. Besides, Newcastle gave 5 players their debut on Friday night and they lost as well. It's early days.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on August 08, 2016, 10:44:35 AM: It's football innit. We lose, everything's shit, we win, all's well. I reckon that's been the case since 1874 for Villa.

Meekly accepting what is served up is what shit clubs' fans do.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sickbeggar on August 08, 2016, 10:50:43 AM: Quote from: brian green on August 08, 2016, 10:27:55 AM
Well, for starters, Ads is fifty years younger than I am and I would guess the average age of posters on here is about 40. You have time to appreciate a less urgent approach, I don't have that luxury. But personal reasons apart to address the question who are these players we have who are better than those who fill the team sheet as a foregone conclusion, I give you Grealish, Hepburn-Murphy, Lyden, Toner, Bennett, Green and Davis for starters, all of whom (except Davis whom I have not seen) impressed me in pre season. Add to those Veretout (who has not had a fraction of the slack cut for Westwood) and Traore and Amavi when fit and I see absolutely no reason why we need, from here on in, to go on picking proven losing players.

So really your better players are youngsters who may or may not be good enough long term and to be honest no-one knows given the games they've had so far. Our history is full of young players who didn't fullfill potential after promising - in fact we've made a habit of selling them. I'd rather leave that decision upto RDM when they're ready.

As for the likes of Vertout, Traore, Amavi i think we're heading into the realms of 'absence makes the heart grow fonder' territory. Someone like Grealish for example who got overhyped because of the England tug of war thing, when the reality is now ANY English player who starts in the premiership is immediately targeted by England because the choice is so limited. The reality is he looks nice on the ball but rarely creates or scores and apart from a few cameo's has done very little. Add in the attitude and you can't really say he should be a proven starter. I can see why people like the look of him but i can also see why RDM would hesitate putting his trust in him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sickbeggar on August 08, 2016, 10:51:26 AM: double post
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on August 08, 2016, 10:54:37 AM: Yes Clampy, and I have, as you have I am sure, followed them in the lower leagues when things were as dark as they are now. I could not do another four or five years of home and away support in the football basement. My heart is in it but my legs have gone.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on August 08, 2016, 10:57:04 AM: Apart from the new players, as well as Ayew and Amavi, arguably one or two of the young uns, the rest are poor and need replacing over time. Jury out on Grealish as he's still learning. We cannot rely on Richards, Veretout, Gabby or Lescott and they appear to have been cast adrift, therefore, we have no choice but to wait patiently for new players to come in. I can't stand Westwood or Bacuna but, due to players leaving, and the bizarre decision not to start Tish and Jack, they are the best we have currently, God help us, until we bring in better players, hopefully this week! We do seem quite slow to get things done, but again, I am not the most patient person.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on August 08, 2016, 11:07:36 AM: Quote from: brian green on August 08, 2016, 10:54:37 AM
Yes Clampy, and I have, as you have I am sure, followed them in the lower leagues when things were as dark as they are now. I could not do another four or five years of home and away support in the football basement. My heart is in it but my legs have gone.

No I didn't as it happens, I only properly started going from around 1987 onwards. As for 4-5 years, it may not take that long anyway. I saw encouraging signs in the second half that we'll be fine once we get going and the winning mentality comes back. It won't happen overnight though and we shouldn't expect it to but it'll come.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villafirst on August 08, 2016, 11:09:29 AM: I find it a bit strange that 3 bids plus loan deals were made last Thursday/ Friday and nothing has been said since. Normally you'd expect some replies by now?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: LeeB on August 08, 2016, 11:10:31 AM: Quote from: Villafirst on August 08, 2016, 11:09:29 AM
I find it a bit strange that 3 bids plus loan deals were made last Thursday/ Friday and nothing has been said since. Normally you'd expect some replies by now?

They probably have but don't feel the need to update Joe Public on the details.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on August 08, 2016, 11:13:07 AM: Quote from: Villafirst on August 08, 2016, 11:09:29 AM
I find it a bit strange that 3 bids plus loan deals were made last Thursday/ Friday and nothing has been said since. Normally you'd expect some replies by now?

On Football Manager maybe, but this is real life.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: nodge on August 08, 2016, 11:20:24 AM: Some of them might go until the end of the window too. We might be second or third option for the players we've got bids in for and they're biding their time.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on August 08, 2016, 11:27:59 AM: Quote from: LeeB on August 08, 2016, 11:10:31 AM
Quote from: Villafirst on August 08, 2016, 11:09:29 AM
I find it a bit strange that 3 bids plus loan deals were made last Thursday/ Friday and nothing has been said since. Normally you'd expect some replies by now?

They probably have but don't feel the need to update Joe Public on the details.

We're also operating in a market that has finite resources. We have been told by Lazio or Palace that we can have Morrison and Jedinak for the sums suggested, but hold on, as we need X player to come in, who is at a club that's waiting on Y player etc.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 08, 2016, 11:49:01 AM: St. Etienne now in negotiations for a season long loan for Veretout according to French media
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on August 08, 2016, 11:52:28 AM: Quote from: mr underhill on August 08, 2016, 11:49:01 AM
St. Etienne now in negotiations for a season long loan for Veretout according to French media

Has he featured in any of the pre-season games?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 08, 2016, 11:55:14 AM: pretty sure he hasn't
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on August 08, 2016, 11:57:14 AM: He played at Stourport.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 08, 2016, 12:01:06 PM: I stand corrected, thank-you
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on August 08, 2016, 12:04:24 PM: He played the first half in Nantes.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on August 08, 2016, 12:05:16 PM: Quote from: Villafirst on August 08, 2016, 11:09:29 AM
I find it a bit strange that 3 bids plus loan deals were made last Thursday/ Friday and nothing has been said since. Normally you'd expect some replies by now?

Not in the press no.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 08, 2016, 12:18:41 PM: Not overly perturbed by the Wednesday result, we played well and still have 3-5 players to come in and some drek to shift. We are goung to be very competitive this season.

Not sure who the three we have offers in for are. Looking at who we have been linked with:

Jedinak - would be very pleased with this, and it would be consistent with RDM tactic of putting leaders in place in the spine (Elphick in defence, McCormack up front). Three captains in the team makes a great deal of sense.

Hernandez - Looked very good for Hull in the Championship, good movement which we have lacked. Good pedigree at International level too (although so does Sanchez).

Kodija - Again has good form at this level, has pace.

Morrison - Tad concerned about his reputation, but no doubting his talent.

De Laat - Would be an excellent and versatile signing.

McNair - Don't know enough about him to pass judgement. Prefer proven defenders, and not sure I like the idea of on the job training for Man Utd players. That said, he seems highly rated.

Bamford - Pretty useful record at this level, loan with an option to buy? Would be happy with this as a signing.

So lots of links to strikers linked, pretty sure we see at least one from Kodja, Hernandez or Bamford. Too many links for there not to be something in it.

Not so many midfielders linked, but Jedinak would be an excellent signing. If not him then not sure who else it could be. Would like to see us try for Flamini though.

Think we need a central defender, and maybe a fullback also. Not seeing many links so maybe RDM is happy in that department.

As for disposing of the trash... Best rumour of the week is that the rag and bone man (Coventry City) might collect Agbonlahor, to add to their growing collection of Villa scrap. Can't see it happening but would be fantastic if it did. Hopefully we can shift on Lescott and Richards, surely someone will take them off our hands.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on August 08, 2016, 12:26:24 PM: I'm surprised we are looking at moving him as we seem a little short of numbers in midfield.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on August 08, 2016, 12:28:35 PM: Quote from: PeterWithe on August 08, 2016, 12:26:24 PM
I'm surprised we are looking at moving him as we seem a little short of numbers in midfield.

Veretout?

Doesn't that tell you all you need to know about the situation though? rumour was he wasn't interested in playing Championship football. Which is bizarre considering he never showed anything to suggest it was beneath his level last season
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on August 08, 2016, 12:31:00 PM: If he wasn't interested in playing Championship football he was in a pretty good position to prevent it happening.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on August 08, 2016, 12:32:04 PM: Ravel Morrison, come on down! (And be Veretouts replacement).
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on August 08, 2016, 12:35:44 PM: Quote from: Ads on August 08, 2016, 12:32:04 PM
Ravel Morrison, come on down! (And be Veretouts replacement).

*lightbulb moment*

I thought you were on about James Morrison on another thread.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 08, 2016, 12:45:12 PM: or Jim Morrison and he's been a bit quiet for years
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on August 08, 2016, 12:53:04 PM: Veretout seems to be whoring himself out to anyone who might take him rather than stick with us to prove he's a decent player. Neither he or Sanchez will be missed, but, they most certainly need to e replaced with more willing and proven players. I'd take Bridcutt or Jedinak.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: pbavfckuwait on August 08, 2016, 01:21:44 PM: As said earlier, even if the changes being mentioned, 3 bids and some loan players, none of them seem to be a winger so hopefully Green will get a run, can understand what Brian G is getting upset about, yes the names he mentioned are only kids and that tosser Black had the perfect opportunity to give them a run, so hopefully RDM will give them a run out on Wednesday and if they show anything especially Green and Russian, we may get rid of Justdead and Gardner or hopefully Westwood as well, right back please say someone is on the horizon.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Lyewho??? on August 08, 2016, 01:46:03 PM: After watching yesterday, and watching other games from the championship over the weekend its evident that we need to do something about getting the ball in the box! Most of the games i watched had plenty of balls being piled into the box, whether that was crosses or set plays. We on the other hand hand Aly Cissokho who cant cross his fingers let alone a ball into the box and Ayew who would rather take the ball around someone and get nowhere (he shouldn't play out wide for this reason). Added to this inn the build up to the game we have seen contracts for the youth and media around Jack Grealish turning things around.

The game came and Green and Grealish are on the bench! Gestede once again has no supply and we cant deliver the ball in the box........ Im not saying they are anyway perfect but we need to get more crosses into the box. it may have been a gamble to put them in, but its needed. We need wingers or to start playing wingers. oh and where the fuck is ADAMA?

IMO
Strong pacey foward
1 or 2 wingers, with 1 being a seasoned player
harden cm like Jedinek
another CB, youth is good
a young RB, as im happy with hutton
marquee play maker

7 players in total

oh and i hope that we see some youth mixed in wednesday
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: old man villa fan on August 08, 2016, 02:08:33 PM: I follow what Brian is saying. We have a lot of young talented players at the club. What is holding them back is not having players in the team that can carry them for a couple of games until they get their confidence. I felt that we lacked conviction yesterday and played the game as though we were still in the PL. We need to be far more positive and understand that we can afford to be.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: LeeB on August 08, 2016, 02:16:24 PM: Quote from: mr underhill on August 08, 2016, 11:49:01 AM
St. Etienne now in negotiations for a season long loan for Veretout according to French media

Good news, nothing can stop us now.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on August 08, 2016, 02:25:10 PM: Thank you OMVF. That is exactly the point I have been trying to make. You have to mesh the young players in. It is not either or. I am okay about the Wednesday result. My moan is that ever since Houllier we have put caution at the top of our priorities and it got us ultimately relegated with 17 points. I knew from the minute I saw the line up against Boro that our season would start with a belt and braces approach to games. Let's be really daring and take a risk or two on emerging talent. I would bet any amount that given the pitch time Rushian Hepburn-Murphy would score more goals than Rudy Gestede, crosses into the box or no crosses into the box.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aev on August 08, 2016, 02:25:23 PM: Quote from: LeeB on August 08, 2016, 02:16:24 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on August 08, 2016, 11:49:01 AM
St. Etienne now in negotiations for a season long loan for Veretout according to French media

Good news, nothing can stop us now.

And if it is only a loan, we can Kiss and Make up next year when we are back in the big time.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mattjpa on August 08, 2016, 02:32:28 PM: I have a feeling we will never see veretout in a villa shirt again and much like Mattieu Berson, We will be left wondering "what if"
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: eamonn on August 08, 2016, 02:40:58 PM: His level may not be much above Hobart Paving FC.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 08, 2016, 02:53:06 PM: For some reason I was really excited that we'd beaten Leicester to his signature. Funny old game.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villafirst on August 08, 2016, 02:55:41 PM: As I said before, we're shedding midfielders whilst the likes of Bacuna and Westwood prevail. Need replacements quickly!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Eckybloke on August 08, 2016, 03:11:29 PM: Quote from: eamonn on August 08, 2016, 02:40:58 PM
His level may not be much above Hobart Paving FC.

The conversation might go:

"Join our club" - Saint Etienne
"You're in a bad way" - Veretout
"Who do you think you are" - fans
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Gareth on August 08, 2016, 03:12:22 PM: Quote from: LeeB on August 08, 2016, 02:16:24 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on August 08, 2016, 11:49:01 AM
St. Etienne now in negotiations for a season long loan for Veretout according to French media

Good news, nothing can stop us now.

Haha, good work
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Mister E on August 08, 2016, 03:42:19 PM: Quote from: brian green on August 08, 2016, 02:25:10 PM
Thank you OMVF. That is exactly the point I have been trying to make. You have to mesh the young players in. It is not either or. I am okay about the Wednesday result. My moan is that ever since Houllier we have put caution at the top of our priorities and it got us ultimately relegated with 17 points. I knew from the minute I saw the line up against Boro that our season would start with a belt and braces approach to games. Let's be really daring and take a risk or two on emerging talent. I would bet any amount that given the pitch time Rushian Hepburn-Murphy would score more goals than Rudy Gestede, crosses into the box or no crosses into the box.
This is very much my view, and has been since earlier this year.
The game yesterday was crying out for Andre Green to come on, and the substitution was about 10 minutes overdue when he finally did. Both Davis and RH-M would be worth playing now that McCormack is in the side because he knows how it works in the division and has the maturity to help them. Add someone like Jedinak and the case gets stronger.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on August 08, 2016, 03:48:42 PM: Remember when we signed Collymore, and tried to fit three into two ? Yorke/Savo/Stan

I think we're going down this unwelcome road again with Ayew/Ross/Rudy

TWO is enough, Ayew and McCormack as a pair will do just fine for me. And if we bring another striker in then just rotate as and when rather than try to force em into a system that looks weaker a whole

Gestede out yesterday for someone like Grealish would've been a damn sight better footballing wise to my mind
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 08, 2016, 07:13:57 PM: Quote from: Mister E on August 08, 2016, 03:42:19 PM
Quote from: brian green on August 08, 2016, 02:25:10 PM
Thank you OMVF. That is exactly the point I have been trying to make. You have to mesh the young players in. It is not either or. I am okay about the Wednesday result. My moan is that ever since Houllier we have put caution at the top of our priorities and it got us ultimately relegated with 17 points. I knew from the minute I saw the line up against Boro that our season would start with a belt and braces approach to games. Let's be really daring and take a risk or two on emerging talent. I would bet any amount that given the pitch time Rushian Hepburn-Murphy would score more goals than Rudy Gestede, crosses into the box or no crosses into the box.
This is very much my view, and has been since earlier this year.
The game yesterday was crying out for Andre Green to come on, and the substitution was about 10 minutes overdue when he finally did. Both Davis and RH-M would be worth playing now that McCormack is in the side because he knows how it works in the division and has the maturity to help them. Add someone like Jedinak and the case gets stronger.
The system and team is very Lambert. Until both change radically we will not get any where.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on August 08, 2016, 07:20:57 PM: Quote from: Villafirst on August 08, 2016, 02:55:41 PM
As I said before, we're shedding midfielders whilst the likes of Bacuna and Westwood prevail. Need replacements quickly!
I'm no fan of Bacuna by any stretch and he's really got to do a lot to get onside with the fans again, but he looked more than good enough at this level yesterday. 2nd half particularly, most of what we created was coming through him and he looked willing to run at players and deliver crosses.
Westwood also came into the game. I agree that them being regular starters wouldn't necessarily be good, but I'd keep them as squad players. We'll sell them when we get back to the Prem because we know they're not up for that level. But this one? Good enough.
As far as Leo again, I think we have to nail him down to one position. He's probably being kept because he "can play" in different positions but I don't rate him centrally, or at right back. However as a right winger he's got the pace, engine and crossing ability to be dangerous at Champ level.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 08, 2016, 07:31:41 PM: Mirror reporting we are after James Chester as Clarks replacement
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on August 08, 2016, 08:21:34 PM: Quote from: VinnieChase84 on August 08, 2016, 07:31:41 PM
Mirror reporting we are after James Chester as Clarks replacement
I'd be happy with that to be honest.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: avfcpg on August 08, 2016, 08:23:53 PM: Chester would be a decent signing. Him, Elphick, Baker and Okore would be a good enough 2 from 4.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ldavfc4eva on August 08, 2016, 08:26:28 PM: How much though? Didn't he cost £8m or something like that?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on August 08, 2016, 08:27:45 PM: Quote from: ldavfc4eva on August 08, 2016, 08:26:28 PM
How much though? Didn't he cost £8m or something like that?
If we pay what we got for Clark I'd be happy. Too much over that and I'm not sure. He had a good Euro's but he's not been a regular for the shites.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 08, 2016, 08:53:19 PM: Quote from: VinnieChase84 on August 08, 2016, 07:31:41 PM
Mirror reporting we are after James Chester as Clarks replacement

That would be an excellent signing, proven in the championship and more than good enough to stay in the first team when we get promoted. Pleased if true.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 08, 2016, 08:58:02 PM: Also, it would be a big step up for him joining a far bigger club.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Des Little on August 08, 2016, 09:04:05 PM: Quote from: Eckybloke on August 08, 2016, 03:11:29 PM
Quote from: eamonn on August 08, 2016, 02:40:58 PM
His level may not be much above Hobart Paving FC.

The conversation might go:

"Join our club" - Saint Etienne
"You're in a bad way" - Veretout
"Who do you think you are" - fans

* applauds *
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 08, 2016, 09:04:26 PM: That awkward moment he'll be playing in front of bigger home crowds in division 2 than he was in the top flight with the 'pride of the Midlands'.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on August 08, 2016, 09:13:16 PM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 08, 2016, 09:04:26 PM
That awkward moment he'll be playing in front of bigger home crowds in division 2 than he was in the top flight with the 'pride of the Midlands'.

If ever there was a phrase that summed up the underselling of Ellis in the 90's it was that and "The Man Utd of the Midlands".

FUCK OFF. We're the Aston Villa of the world.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Rudy65 on August 08, 2016, 09:14:21 PM: Quote from: mr underhill on August 08, 2016, 02:53:06 PM
For some reason I was really excited that we'd beaten Leicester to his signature. Funny old game.

See to recall we were linked with Vardy at the same time, and some, including me said no way! Also recall the LCFC fans being peed that we had signed Veretout. Little did they know what the season had in store for them. Funny old game
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: OCD on August 08, 2016, 09:38:01 PM: You think we've got it bad? Imagine having the choice between Leicester and Villa, thinking that it's an obvious choice and then being relegated with us whilst they win the league. How much must he be kicking himself?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: LukeJames on August 08, 2016, 09:40:12 PM: Didn't they only sign Kante because we beat them to Veretout?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 08, 2016, 09:42:37 PM: If he had joined then though, Kante may not have done. I think there is a really good player in Veretout. A season loan and then see him next summer might be good for both. We should be in a better place to know how we are paying and he might have the confidence to fit in.

Chester would be a brilliant buy. Pulis dicked him about last season at full back etc. Really good player.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tony Erdington on August 08, 2016, 09:43:24 PM: Quote from: Villa in Denmark on August 08, 2016, 09:13:16 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 08, 2016, 09:04:26 PM
That awkward moment he'll be playing in front of bigger home crowds in division 2 than he was in the top flight with the 'pride of the Midlands'.

If ever there was a phrase that summed up the underselling of Ellis in the 90's it was that and "The Man Utd of the Midlands".

FUCK OFF. We're the Aston Villa of the world.

did Michael Jackson , sing that?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 08, 2016, 10:50:50 PM: Quote from: LukeJames on August 08, 2016, 09:40:12 PM
Didn't they only sign Kante because we beat them to Veretout?

yep

sherwood wanted veretout and not kante
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on August 09, 2016, 12:04:57 AM: Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on August 08, 2016, 08:53:19 PM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on August 08, 2016, 07:31:41 PM
Mirror reporting we are after James Chester as Clarks replacement

That would be an excellent signing, proven in the championship and more than good enough to stay in the first team when we get promoted. Pleased if true.

Agree he would be a very good signing. Plays on the right side of the CB pairing though, so unless Elphick is going to shift over, not sure how that would work.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 09, 2016, 12:06:45 AM: Quote from: ozzjim on August 08, 2016, 09:42:37 PM
If he had joined then though, Kante may not have done. I think there is a really good player in Veretout. A season loan and then see him next summer might be good for both. We should be in a better place to know how we are paying and he might have the confidence to fit in.

I want him to stay. I think we've got in a habit of slagging every player from last season, Vertout doesn't deserve it. He was 22, an a year off being ready for the PL according to his former coach, President and French pundits. We played him out of position and then blame him for not pulling up trees. For me, he reminds me of Frank Carrodus and right now he's exactly the type of player we need around the squad.

Sending him off on-loan is a delaying tactic of releasing him next season for peanuts. He deserves his chance to grow and prove himself. I'll be disappointed if he goes as we're not exactly full of talent in midfield right now.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on August 09, 2016, 12:34:23 AM: Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on August 09, 2016, 12:06:45 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 08, 2016, 09:42:37 PM
If he had joined then though, Kante may not have done. I think there is a really good player in Veretout. A season loan and then see him next summer might be good for both. We should be in a better place to know how we are paying and he might have the confidence to fit in.

I want him to stay. I think we've got in a habit of slagging every player from last season, Vertout doesn't deserve it. He was 22, an a year off being ready for the PL according to his former coach, President and French pundits. We played him out of position and then blame him for not pulling up trees. For me, he reminds me of Frank Carrodus and right now he's exactly the type of player we need around the squad.

Sending him off on-loan is a delaying tactic of releasing him next season for peanuts. He deserves his chance to grow and prove himself. I'll be disappointed if he goes as we're not exactly full of talent in midfield right now.

Not sure where he would fit in the current system though. I would think he is now behind Veretout and Grealish for the 'number 10' role and I'm not sure he is physical enough for a deeper role in this league.

Edit - late night after a long day training at work!! Meant McCormack.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: curiousorange on August 09, 2016, 07:52:06 AM: If Veretout is behind himself for the number 10 position then he must be really bad.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on August 09, 2016, 07:59:58 AM: Quote from: curiousorange on August 09, 2016, 07:52:06 AM
If Veretout is behind himself for the number 10 position then he must be really bad.
But I also hear there's a chance Veretout might be bought back into the fold and be above Veretout and Veretout in the pecking order. Just a whisper mind you.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: LeeB on August 09, 2016, 08:09:04 AM: Quote from: supertom on August 09, 2016, 07:59:58 AM
Quote from: curiousorange on August 09, 2016, 07:52:06 AM
If Veretout is behind himself for the number 10 position then he must be really bad.
But I also hear there's a chance Veretout might be bought back into the fold and be above Veretout and Veretout in the pecking order. Just a whisper mind you.

We should put Veretout and Vetetout together.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Richard E on August 09, 2016, 08:11:05 AM: Quote from: LeeB on August 09, 2016, 08:09:04 AM
Quote from: supertom on August 09, 2016, 07:59:58 AM
Quote from: curiousorange on August 09, 2016, 07:52:06 AM
If Veretout is behind himself for the number 10 position then he must be really bad.
But I also hear there's a chance Veretout might be bought back into the fold and be above Veretout and Veretout in the pecking order. Just a whisper mind you.

We should put Veretout and Vetetout together.
And make 5?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on August 09, 2016, 08:23:49 AM: It was a miserable failure with the Djemba Djembas.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cdward on August 09, 2016, 08:43:39 AM: Don't mess with my Veretout Veretout
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 09, 2016, 08:59:51 AM: sadly Veretout is more Mangetout
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 09, 2016, 09:25:07 AM: Yacine Bammou.

villa suppose to be tracking him according a website ive never heard of

and they Nantes want veretout
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 09, 2016, 09:26:37 AM: jedinak says he doesnt want to move but could be bs as its up to Palace If they are going to play him or not.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Richard E on August 09, 2016, 09:49:32 AM: Joe Bennett is being sold to Sheff Wednesday today, according to the Meaning Evil.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 09, 2016, 10:05:01 AM: Quote from: Richard E on August 09, 2016, 09:49:32 AM
Joe Bennett is being sold to Sheff Wednesday today, according to the Meaning Evil.

how bad is he when you look at Cissokho getting in front of him
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: thick_mike on August 09, 2016, 10:25:51 AM: Quote from: mr underhill on August 09, 2016, 08:59:51 AM
sadly Veretout is more Mangetout

Surely Gabby is mange tout?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Lastfootstamper on August 09, 2016, 10:28:02 AM: Quote from: JUAN PABLO on August 09, 2016, 10:05:01 AM
Quote from: Richard E on August 09, 2016, 09:49:32 AM
Joe Bennett is being sold to Sheff Wednesday today, according to the Meaning Evil.

how bad is he when you look at Cissokho getting in front of him

Maybe we've sold the one we could get some money for.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 09, 2016, 10:36:51 AM: Bennett will be no great loss, pity as he looked OK for half a season as did Lowton and Westwood.

I'd like to see us buy Rico Henry off Walsall to replace him, think he can step up a level with ease. Also it would be nice to take Brady off Norwich.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Edvard Remberg on August 09, 2016, 10:47:20 AM: Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on August 09, 2016, 10:36:51 AM
Bennett will be no great loss, pity as he looked OK for half a season as did Lowton and Westwood.

I'd like to see us buy Rico Henry off Walsall to replace him, think he can step up a level with ease. Also it would be nice to take Brady off Norwich.
I can't remember JB looking good at any point - he had some decent crosses and pace going forward - but defensively - jeez. Cissokho is just as crap going forward (and making decisions) as JB was defending.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villafirst on August 09, 2016, 11:00:41 AM: Yet another departure. This squad depth and quality worries me. I just can't see promotion with the current players. Need more quality - what happens when the inevitable injuries/suspensions kick-in over 46 league games plus any cup games?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on August 09, 2016, 11:01:39 AM: Quote from: JUAN PABLO on August 09, 2016, 09:26:37 AM
jedinak says he doesnt want to move but could be bs as its up to Palace If they are going to play him or not.

He scored a peno the other day for palace I also not sure if he's the sort of requirement we need at 32 in midfield. The guy is a brusier than a footballer I rather have bridcutt but both are poor footballers and don't like either. Have to say the person who broke the supposed jedinak to villa story not sure how credible he is never heard him speak on the radio
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 09, 2016, 11:03:49 AM: I would take Sako from Palace in a heart beat.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on August 09, 2016, 11:09:36 AM: Quote from: ozzjim on August 09, 2016, 11:03:49 AM
I would take Sako from Palace in a heart beat.

The one who was at Wolves?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 09, 2016, 11:14:08 AM: Didn't Bennett play a game for us in midfield once and do quite well, possibly a Cup game?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on August 09, 2016, 11:15:10 AM: Quote from: Villafirst on August 09, 2016, 11:00:41 AM
Yet another departure. This squad depth and quality worries me. I just can't see promotion with the current players. Need more quality - what happens when the inevitable injuries/suspensions kick-in over 46 league games plus any cup games?

RDM is on record as saying he wants a smaller squad, its only natural that he is going to want more of his own players coming in so I think we will see quite a few more departures. I must admit I forgot Bennett played for us so I'm not going to shed too many tears, he looked very lightweight and didn't ever look like getting in the worst Villa team I've ever seen.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on August 09, 2016, 11:18:21 AM: Quote from: ozzjim on August 09, 2016, 11:03:49 AM
I would take Sako from Palace in a heart beat.

Thunderous shooting ability
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 09, 2016, 11:30:27 AM: just read that Ayew is off to West Ham on loan - must be bollocks?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Reuben on August 09, 2016, 11:37:30 AM: Quote from: mr underhill on August 09, 2016, 11:30:27 AM
just read that Ayew is off to West Ham on loan - must be bollocks?
They've put a bid in or maybe signed his brother. Is that the link you mean?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 09, 2016, 11:38:52 AM: no separate story
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on August 09, 2016, 11:39:55 AM: Quote from: Villafirst on August 09, 2016, 11:00:41 AM
Yet another departure. This squad depth and quality worries me. I just can't see promotion with the current players. Need more quality - what happens when the inevitable injuries/suspensions kick-in over 46 league games plus any cup games?

Bennett has barely played for us in three seasons, not really worth a moan decrying squad depth when he hasn't and won't feature.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Richard E on August 09, 2016, 11:42:44 AM: Dr. Tony Xia ‏@Dr_TonyXia 44s44 seconds ago
Very exciting news for fans: very close to a deal with the mid! Hopefully b4 Saturday!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: paul_e on August 09, 2016, 11:44:41 AM: Dr. Tony Xia ‏@Dr_TonyXia 2m2 minutes ago
Very exciting news for fans: very close to a deal with the mid! Hopefully b4 Saturday!

Morrison? Jedinak?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Richard E on August 09, 2016, 11:46:22 AM: Quote from: paul_e on August 09, 2016, 11:44:41 AM
Dr. Tony Xia ‏@Dr_TonyXia 2m2 minutes ago
Very exciting news for fans: very close to a deal with the mid! Hopefully b4 Saturday!

Morrison? Jedinak?

New 5 year double your money deal for Ashley Westwood.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on August 09, 2016, 11:49:07 AM: I gave up all hope of Bennett making the grade after 4th division Bradford targeted him as our weak link and ran him ragged.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on August 09, 2016, 11:52:31 AM: Quote from: tomd2103 on August 09, 2016, 11:09:36 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 09, 2016, 11:03:49 AM
I would take Sako from Palace in a heart beat.

The one who was at Wolves?

Not sure at all, he looks like one of those players with amazing talent but struggles to fit into a team. I think Traore is a similar enigma, if we ever get him fit enough to play.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 09, 2016, 11:53:24 AM: Quote from: Villafirst on August 09, 2016, 11:00:41 AM
Yet another departure. This squad depth and quality worries me. I just can't see promotion with the current players. Need more quality - what happens when the inevitable injuries/suspensions kick-in over 46 league games plus any cup games?

Not worried, we have more players to come in still. Tony has been very consistent in both words and actions on this, clear the space then bring in new players. It is't sell to buy as we are well up on net spend, more clear space in the squad so it doesn't get bloated. Sensible practice and far better run than under Lerner.

I would like to see a defender come in that can cover left back and centre back, rather than another winger come fullback. I think Chester has played there for Albion, so would make sense.

I seem to remember that we originally wanted the Ipswich left back that ended up doing very well at West Ham, but would't pay the price and ended up with Bennett. Not a smart move.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on August 09, 2016, 12:04:00 PM: Quote from: Richard E on August 09, 2016, 11:46:22 AM
Quote from: paul_e on August 09, 2016, 11:44:41 AM
Dr. Tony Xia ‏@Dr_TonyXia 2m2 minutes ago
Very exciting news for fans: very close to a deal with the mid! Hopefully b4 Saturday!

Morrison? Jedinak?

New 5 year double your money deal for Ashley Westwood.

Ha ha, the gallows humour is still there. Very good.

I hope that this is the meltdown transfer mentioned recently.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Goldie.7 on August 09, 2016, 12:22:22 PM: Quote from: PeterWithe on August 09, 2016, 11:52:31 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on August 09, 2016, 11:09:36 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 09, 2016, 11:03:49 AM
I would take Sako from Palace in a heart beat.

The one who was at Wolves?

Not sure at all, he looks like one of those players with amazing talent but struggles to fit into a team. I think Traore is a similar enigma, if we ever get him fit enough to play.

Sako at this level would be great, look at the stats. We can't rely on Traore, the guy is always injured.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sid1964 on August 09, 2016, 12:35:20 PM: Dr Tony, has tweeted that Midfielder is expected to join very soon

....any guesses who this could be?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: in exile on August 09, 2016, 12:36:08 PM: Quote from: sid1964 on August 09, 2016, 12:35:20 PM
Dr Tony, has tweeted that Midfielder is expected to join very soon

....any guesses who this could be?
Pogba on a season long loan
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mattjpa on August 09, 2016, 12:42:19 PM: heart says morrison, head says jedinak
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 09, 2016, 12:43:44 PM: We need both.

I would guess at Ravel given his social media activity e.g. following most of the people at this club who are on instagram/twitter!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: malckennedy on August 09, 2016, 12:45:48 PM: Quote from: mattjpa on August 09, 2016, 12:42:19 PM
heart says morrison, head says jedinak

Hope it's your head that's right!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 09, 2016, 12:46:56 PM: Why the clamour for Morrison? Isn't he a ****** that makes our ****** from last season look like good pro's?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 09, 2016, 12:50:19 PM: Quote from: malckennedy on August 09, 2016, 12:45:48 PM
Quote from: mattjpa on August 09, 2016, 12:42:19 PM
heart says morrison, head says jedinak

Hope it's your head that's right!

Ditto.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Smirker on August 09, 2016, 12:51:15 PM: Quote from: Clark W Griswold on August 09, 2016, 12:46:56 PM
Why the clamour for Morrison? Isn't he a c*** that makes our c***s from last season look like good pro's?

Pretty much. He is a talent but I wonder how many chances he needs.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on August 09, 2016, 12:51:25 PM: I suppose the thing with Morrison is that he's got to grow up and stop being a twat at sometime. Hasn't he?

Bloody good player, but so was Joey Barton.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 09, 2016, 12:54:36 PM: Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on August 09, 2016, 10:36:51 AM
Bennett will be no great loss, pity as he looked OK for half a season as did Lowton and Westwood.

I'd like to see us buy Rico Henry off Walsall to replace him, think he can step up a level with ease. Also it would be nice to take Brady off Norwich.

or that Leeds FB Charlie Taylor
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mallo on August 09, 2016, 12:55:21 PM: Morrison surely makes Gabby look like an amateur layabout?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on August 09, 2016, 01:03:55 PM: Whats this shit about Ayew joing west ham on loan?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on August 09, 2016, 01:04:19 PM: Feels rather overly optimistic for us to think that we'd be the ones who would finally rein Morrison in - I mean, what do we have over the half a dozen other clubs who seem to have already tried and not done very well with that challenge?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: placeforparks on August 09, 2016, 01:05:48 PM: jedniak would be a really good signing for any side pushing for top six in the championship.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 09, 2016, 01:06:45 PM: Quote from: mattjpa on August 09, 2016, 12:42:19 PM
heart says morrison, head says jedinak

I don't think they are mutually exclusive, different kinds of player. I have my reservations on Morrison regards attitude, but no doubting his ability. RDM seems very keen on making sure we get the right attitude in place, so if he does come in I expect he will have been told exactly what we expect and has made the right noises.

Jedinak is needed to allow the likes of Grealish, Adama and (maybe) Morrison to get forwards. The last time we had anyone that could get stuck in in midfield was probably Andy Townsend. Even when we had the likes of Barry, Milner and Petrov we still had a soft centre.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on August 09, 2016, 01:07:42 PM: Sorry if it has already been picked up on but the news strap on the Paddy Power sports channel says Bristol City will only release Kodija for £10 million to a Premiership club.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 09, 2016, 01:08:26 PM: Quote from: brian green on August 09, 2016, 01:07:42 PM
Sorry if it has already been picked up on but the news strap on the Paddy Power sports channel says Bristol City will only release Kidujia for £10 million to a Premiership club.

Yes I noticed that yesterday and said to my brother "does that mean that we did bid for him then?".
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 09, 2016, 01:11:20 PM: Quote from: PeterWithe on August 09, 2016, 12:51:25 PM
I suppose the thing with Morrison is that he's got to grow up and stop being a twat at sometime. Hasn't he?

Bloody good player, but so was Joey Barton.

Yes, and Barton did eventually get his act together on the pitch. I would have liked us to sign him for this season actually, he was excellent for Burnley last year.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Hairbandinho on August 09, 2016, 01:12:35 PM: Quote from: Clark W Griswold on August 09, 2016, 12:46:56 PM
Why the clamour for Morrison? Isn't he a c*** that makes our c***s from last season look like good pro's?

Exactly I don't get it. I know everyone is desperate for signings but he has never actually achieved anything in his career.

Jedinak on the other hand would be an excellent signing.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on August 09, 2016, 01:16:10 PM: Joey Barton isn't in the same league as Morrison when it comes to pure talent. Interesting article:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/row-zed/rio-ferdinand-reveals-manchester-united-8561428
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Hairbandinho on August 09, 2016, 01:23:02 PM: Indeed he has natural talent that is obvious. What he does not have is the commitment to progress, stay professional and push his own limits like the best do.

With all the mangers he has worked with including Ferguson, they could not get him to realise his potential. What hope do we have with a team damaged at the very core with bad attitude like Flabby etc.

Better to go with a player who we know is going to consistently give 100% rather than a guy who may have 1 amazing game every 30 game if he is in the mood.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aev on August 09, 2016, 01:24:10 PM: Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on August 09, 2016, 01:16:10 PM
Joey Barton isn't in the same league as Morrison when it comes to pure talent. Interesting article:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/row-zed/rio-ferdinand-reveals-manchester-united-8561428

I hope we sign him, and also hope that by playing actual games he will keep himself out of trouble. It is probably his last chance in England.

West Ham fans at work said he was superb for them (although he only played about 20 games...).
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ClaretAndBlueBlood on August 09, 2016, 01:26:03 PM: Quote from: Hairbandinho on August 09, 2016, 01:12:35 PM
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on August 09, 2016, 12:46:56 PM
Why the clamour for Morrison? Isn't he a c*** that makes our c***s from last season look like good pro's?

Exactly I don't get it. I know everyone is desperate for signings but he has never actually achieved anything in his career.

Jedinak on the other hand would be an excellent signing.

to be fair to him, he had a great start to the season pre Brazil world cup with the spammers and would have been a shoe in for the world cup squad except his attitude surfaced and spoiled his season. And therein lies the problem, shed loads of ability but can he be trusted?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on August 09, 2016, 01:35:08 PM: Quote from: aev on August 09, 2016, 01:24:10 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on August 09, 2016, 01:16:10 PM
Joey Barton isn't in the same league as Morrison when it comes to pure talent. Interesting article:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/row-zed/rio-ferdinand-reveals-manchester-united-8561428

I hope we sign him, and also hope that by playing actual games he will keep himself out of trouble. It is probably his last chance in England.

West Ham fans at work said he was superb for them (although he only played about 20 games...).

I suppose you'd have to ask yourself whether you'd be happy to employ a wife-beating, homophobic witness intimidator who has more natural talent than almost every other English player. Quid pro quo....
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on August 09, 2016, 01:42:50 PM: Doctor Tone did say it would be 'very exciting news'. Would Morrison go down as very exciting news bearing in mind it's been rumoured for a good while now?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on August 09, 2016, 01:44:52 PM: Quote from: brian green on August 09, 2016, 01:07:42 PM
Sorry if it has already been picked up on but the news strap on the Paddy Power sports channel says Bristol City will only release Kodija for £10 million to a Premiership club.

Down to the player to kick up a fuss. Can't see Bristol being higher than mid-table, whether he wants to bide his time and wait another season I'm not sure. He would only have a year left next summer and would go for a lot less than £10 million.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aev on August 09, 2016, 01:47:29 PM: Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on August 09, 2016, 01:35:08 PM
Quote from: aev on August 09, 2016, 01:24:10 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on August 09, 2016, 01:16:10 PM
Joey Barton isn't in the same league as Morrison when it comes to pure talent. Interesting article:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/row-zed/rio-ferdinand-reveals-manchester-united-8561428

I hope we sign him, and also hope that by playing actual games he will keep himself out of trouble. It is probably his last chance in England.

West Ham fans at work said he was superb for them (although he only played about 20 games...).

I suppose you'd have to ask yourself whether you'd be happy to employ a wife-beating, homophobic witness intimidator who has more natural talent than almost every other English player. Quid pro quo....

Being pedantic, I am not sure he was (or is) a wife beater.

Joking apart, I am fed up of watching us lose games so at present anything that improves our chances on the pitch is good with me.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 09, 2016, 02:10:18 PM: Quote from: Clampy on August 09, 2016, 01:42:50 PM
Doctor Tone did say it would be 'very exciting news'. Would Morrison go down as very exciting news bearing in mind it's been rumoured for a good while now?

I actually think for where we are Jedinak would be exciting. Morrison brings excitement coupled with "fuck me when is this going to go wrong" level of trepidation.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: avfcpg on August 09, 2016, 02:17:32 PM: Think we need both...with the possible departures of Vertoute, Sanchez, Lescott, Bennett, Gabby we need a few in.
Would it be greedy and wishful thinking to get Hernandez, Morrison, Jedinak, Chester..and hang on to Ayew.
That would make for a very, very decent squad.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 09, 2016, 02:48:10 PM: no that would be very nice thank you
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dr Butler on August 09, 2016, 02:58:46 PM: Quote from: Clampy on August 09, 2016, 01:42:50 PM
Doctor Tone did say it would be 'very exciting news'. Would Morrison go down as very exciting news bearing in mind it's been rumoured for a good while now?

maybe Gareth Barry is on his way back to the Villa...;)

UTV
The Doc
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Hairbandinho on August 09, 2016, 02:59:41 PM: Exciting midfielder?

Steve Sidwell clearly incoming.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on August 09, 2016, 03:01:14 PM: We're rescuing Pirlo from his American adventure. The clincher was an open tab at every Frankie and Bennie's in the Greater Birmingham area.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villafirst on August 09, 2016, 03:10:06 PM: A lot of unofficial Twitter feeds saying Morrison medical by Thursday with a view to signing on Friday.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on August 09, 2016, 03:11:59 PM: Quote from: Villafirst on August 09, 2016, 03:10:06 PM
A lot of unofficial Twitter feeds saying Morrison medical by Thursday with a view to signing on Friday.

Well the dental part should be quick........
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 09, 2016, 03:13:11 PM: Hope not
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on August 09, 2016, 03:17:50 PM: I'm not convinced this is a good idea.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on August 09, 2016, 03:31:51 PM: Fuck it, whats the worst that can happen?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on August 09, 2016, 03:33:51 PM: Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on August 09, 2016, 03:31:51 PM
Fuck it, whats the worst that can happen?
Egotistical twats running riot in the dressing room?

Hello season 2016/17. Take a look at your better looking brother 2015/16.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aev on August 09, 2016, 03:36:47 PM: Quote from: Villa in Denmark on August 09, 2016, 03:33:51 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on August 09, 2016, 03:31:51 PM
Fuck it, whats the worst that can happen?
Egotistical twats running riot in the dressing room?

Hello season 2016/17. Take a look at your better looking brother 2015/16.

I understand the concerns but he wasn't any trouble at West Ham, other than refusing to sign up with his manager's agent.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on August 09, 2016, 03:42:47 PM: If we do sign him, I am going to have to sit in a dark room and force myself not to think about a Supermarket every time I read his name. Wasn't it Tolstoy who used to sit in a darkened room and force himself not to think about a white bear? I can do it, I can do it. I really can.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 09, 2016, 03:45:47 PM: apparently we have met Hernandez's buy out clause
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Richard E on August 09, 2016, 03:46:10 PM: Quote from: brian green on August 09, 2016, 03:42:47 PM
If we do sign him, I am going to have to sit in a dark room and force myself not to think about a Supermarket every time I read his name. Wasn't it Tolstoy who used to sit in a darkened room and force himself not to think about a white bear? I can do it, I can do it. I really can.

Why will signing him make you keep thinking of Tesco, Brian? Did he have a loan spell at the Yawnthorns?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aev on August 09, 2016, 03:48:28 PM: Quote from: brian green on August 09, 2016, 03:42:47 PM
If we do sign him, I am going to have to sit in a dark room and force myself not to think about a Supermarket every time I read his name. Wasn't it Tolstoy who used to sit in a darkened room and force himself not to think about a white bear? I can do it, I can do it. I really can.

There used to be a "jingle" which I now can't get out of my head.

#More reasons to pass to Morrison#

Thank you brian.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PGW on August 09, 2016, 03:55:49 PM: Quote from: Richard E on August 09, 2016, 03:46:10 PM
Quote from: brian green on August 09, 2016, 03:42:47 PM
If we do sign him, I am going to have to sit in a dark room and force myself not to think about a Supermarket every time I read his name. Wasn't it Tolstoy who used to sit in a darkened room and force himself not to think about a white bear? I can do it, I can do it. I really can.

Why will signing him make you keep thinking of Tesco, Brian? Did he have a loan spell at the Yawnthorns?
No but he did at the sty.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on August 09, 2016, 03:58:55 PM: Quote from: aev on August 09, 2016, 03:36:47 PM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on August 09, 2016, 03:33:51 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on August 09, 2016, 03:31:51 PM
Fuck it, whats the worst that can happen?
Egotistical twats running riot in the dressing room?

Hello season 2016/17. Take a look at your better looking brother 2015/16.

I understand the concerns but he wasn't any trouble at West Ham, other than refusing to sign up with his manager's agent.

But a monumental pain in the arse everywhere else. Didn't exactly endear himself to Lazio in what should have been the biggest opportunity to ressurect his career. And that was after West Ham, where he'd been "no trouble" had terminated his contract early

If we're kind and ignore the 2 seasons at Man Utd, including the 1 back after his first season at WHU, he's played 70 games in 7 seasons and couldn't even hold down a regular spot in the 2012/13 version of our snot wiping neighbours. with Lee Clark trying to terminate his loan in October such was his negative impact.

He might well come good, but he can do it elsewhere. We don't need unnecessary gambles. We need bona fide contributors.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aev on August 09, 2016, 04:06:08 PM: Quote from: Villa in Denmark on August 09, 2016, 03:58:55 PM
Quote from: aev on August 09, 2016, 03:36:47 PM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on August 09, 2016, 03:33:51 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on August 09, 2016, 03:31:51 PM
Fuck it, whats the worst that can happen?
Egotistical twats running riot in the dressing room?

Hello season 2016/17. Take a look at your better looking brother 2015/16.

I understand the concerns but he wasn't any trouble at West Ham, other than refusing to sign up with his manager's agent.

But a monumental pain in the arse everywhere else. Didn't exactly endear himself to Lazio in what should have been the biggest opportunity to ressurect his career. And that was after West Ham, where he'd been "no trouble" had terminated his contract early

If we're kind and ignore the 2 seasons at Man Utd, including the 1 back after his first season at WHU, he's played 70 games in 7 seasons and couldn't even hold down a regular spot in the 2012/13 version of our snot wiping neighbours. with Lee Clark trying to terminate his loan in October such was his negative impact.

He might well come good, but he can do it elsewhere. We don't need unnecessary gambles. We need bona fide contributors.

I guess that the management think he is a gamble worth taking. We have no idea as to the contract details - there maybe explicit clauses to protect the club.

Maybe we could get Hutton to keep him in line? I am sure he would have no qualms giving Ravel a thick ear if required.....
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on August 09, 2016, 04:06:12 PM: Morrison would be without question the most talented player in the league. But... and everybody knows what the but is.

I read previously how he'd struggled with England under 17s and 19s over touring to Azerbaijan as he refused to eat the foreign food thinking it would poison him. My hope is that being out on his own in Rome has had a maturing influence on him. I have heard that his time at West Ham was brought to a close largely due to differences he had with Allardyce and Nolan over agents.

He's got a reputation and deservedly so. Kevin Bond got a tune out of him at QPR and that maybe where this comes from as Bond knows how to handle him.

Its a massive, massive gamble and Morrison may prove to be the siren on the rocks, but if the sword cuts the otherway, then he will murder this league and offer a lot in the top flight too.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on August 09, 2016, 04:08:16 PM: Your comments are invariably accurate and true VID but in this instance I shall play the Devil's Avocado and suggest if there is any club in the country that has learned how to deal with bad lots it is us. If Morrison comes he will see the blood of Gabby, Lescott, Richards and Guzan all over the floor of Bodymoor Heath and will know what is coming if he steps out of line. Worth the risk I think.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 09, 2016, 04:09:04 PM: Abel Hernandez said

Not good at Spanish? He states that if Aston Villa made a move for him he would not ‘hesitate’ about the move.

It will surely put Aston Villa on red alert with it emerging that the striker has a release clause of around £10 million in his contract.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: chrisw1 on August 09, 2016, 04:11:22 PM: I would hope that with leaders like Elphick, McCormack (and hopefully Jedinak) around him and Bond in the coaching set up we would have the best possible chance of keeping him focused. It would be a gamble, but surely any contract would have to reflect that?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 09, 2016, 04:11:36 PM: Agent Dave's tweeted we've met the buy out clause and he's on his way
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 09, 2016, 04:12:01 PM: Hernandez not morrison
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 09, 2016, 04:12:51 PM: "I would not hesitate if you called me, Aston Villa"
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on August 09, 2016, 04:12:58 PM: Besides, I think Tommy Elphick will twat him one if he so much as farts on the team bus.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aev on August 09, 2016, 04:14:12 PM: It would be lovely if we had a team full of clean cut professionals, donating their obscene wages to worthy causes but it isn't going to happen.

The last few years have been awful from a football point of view. We now have a new owner and manager, and if the manager has the owners backing and is free to recruit who he wishes, then let's give it a go. He could well be the objectionable so and so he is portrayed as in the media, but as it stands he is free to play football. I think he was actually cleared of assaulting his girlfriend (and her mother!).
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Chris Jameson on August 09, 2016, 04:15:56 PM: Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on August 09, 2016, 04:12:51 PM
"I would not hesitate if you called me, Aston Villa"

I've now got "Fernando" by Abba stuck in my head.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on August 09, 2016, 04:16:14 PM: Quote from: mr underhill on August 09, 2016, 04:11:36 PM
Agent Dave's tweeted we've met the buy out clause and he's on his way

Agent Dave is rumoured to be the African reverser
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on August 09, 2016, 04:22:59 PM: Quote from: Villa in Denmark on August 09, 2016, 03:58:55 PM
Quote from: aev on August 09, 2016, 03:36:47 PM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on August 09, 2016, 03:33:51 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on August 09, 2016, 03:31:51 PM
Fuck it, whats the worst that can happen?
Egotistical twats running riot in the dressing room?

Hello season 2016/17. Take a look at your better looking brother 2015/16.

I understand the concerns but he wasn't any trouble at West Ham, other than refusing to sign up with his manager's agent.

But a monumental pain in the arse everywhere else. Didn't exactly endear himself to Lazio in what should have been the biggest opportunity to ressurect his career. And that was after West Ham, where he'd been "no trouble" had terminated his contract early

If we're kind and ignore the 2 seasons at Man Utd, including the 1 back after his first season at WHU, he's played 70 games in 7 seasons and couldn't even hold down a regular spot in the 2012/13 version of our snot wiping neighbours. with Lee Clark trying to terminate his loan in October such was his negative impact.

He might well come good, but he can do it elsewhere. We don't need unnecessary gambles. We need bona fide contributors.

bang on
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on August 09, 2016, 04:23:57 PM: So now I have got Morrison's, Fernando, the Abba cuties in Lurex hotpants singing Waterloo and the African Car Reverser not to think about.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: LeeB on August 09, 2016, 04:25:44 PM: Quote from: brian green on August 09, 2016, 04:23:57 PM
So now I have got Morrison's, Fernando, the Abba cuties in Lurex hotpants singing Waterloo and the African Car Reverser not to think about.

And orange penguins.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Duncan Shaw on August 09, 2016, 04:28:51 PM: So if we buy Hernandez, does that give us the two top scorers from last season Championship?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on August 09, 2016, 04:32:21 PM: Quote from: brian green on August 09, 2016, 04:23:57 PM
So now I have got Morrison's, Fernando, the Abba cuties in Lurex hotpants singing Waterloo and the African Car Reverser not to think about.

And the white bear
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Richard E on August 09, 2016, 04:34:18 PM: Quote from: brian green on August 09, 2016, 04:23:57 PM
So now I have got Morrison's, Fernando, the Abba cuties in Lurex hotpants singing Waterloo and the African Car Reverser not to think about.

That sounds like a fairly normal night's dreams for me.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 09, 2016, 04:35:10 PM: Yep, I'm tired of all that sort of shit, we've had it regularly for 20 years, starting with Curcic and Collymore fucking up the Little era right up to last years total clusterfuck of bad eggs. Clear all of that shit out, you can still get competitive players who are a handful on the pitch without the off field antics.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tayls_7 on August 09, 2016, 04:37:21 PM: A categorical no to Morrison. We haven't shed all the arseholes currently stealing a living from AVFC. I'm hoping we've learnt this basic lesson.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on August 09, 2016, 04:43:06 PM: Orange Penguins.....mmmmmmm.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 09, 2016, 04:49:24 PM: Quote from: Duncan Shaw on August 09, 2016, 04:28:51 PM
So if we buy Hernandez, does that give us the two top scorers from last season Championship?

we need Andre Gray as well
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: CT Villan on August 09, 2016, 05:17:33 PM: Quote from: brian green on August 09, 2016, 04:23:57 PM
So now I have got Morrison's, Fernando, the Abba cuties in Lurex hotpants singing Waterloo and the African Car Reverser not to think about.

I just searched for those on pornhub and you're not going to believe what came up...so to speak.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 09, 2016, 06:00:45 PM: another cock and bull story
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on August 09, 2016, 06:04:15 PM: Quote from: Villa in Denmark on August 09, 2016, 03:58:55 PM
Quote from: aev on August 09, 2016, 03:36:47 PM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on August 09, 2016, 03:33:51 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on August 09, 2016, 03:31:51 PM
Fuck it, whats the worst that can happen?
Egotistical twats running riot in the dressing room?

Hello season 2016/17. Take a look at your better looking brother 2015/16.

I understand the concerns but he wasn't any trouble at West Ham, other than refusing to sign up with his manager's agent.

But a monumental pain in the arse everywhere else. Didn't exactly endear himself to Lazio in what should have been the biggest opportunity to ressurect his career. And that was after West Ham, where he'd been "no trouble" had terminated his contract early

If we're kind and ignore the 2 seasons at Man Utd, including the 1 back after his first season at WHU, he's played 70 games in 7 seasons and couldn't even hold down a regular spot in the 2012/13 version of our snot wiping neighbours. with Lee Clark trying to terminate his loan in October such was his negative impact.

He might well come good, but he can do it elsewhere. We don't need unnecessary gambles. We need bona fide contributors.

Agree. It's a gamble we don't need to take at this point.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 09, 2016, 06:05:25 PM: Hernandez, Morrison, Chester, and Jedinak in and we will have the best squad in the championship by some margin. Add loans of McNair and Bamford and we look very strong indeed.

Plus no Gabby, Richards, Lescott, Guzan, Bennett, Gana, Richardson and NZogbia on the wage bill or stinking out the dressing room.

Superb team management from Tony, Wyness and RDM.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tayls_7 on August 09, 2016, 06:08:50 PM: Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on August 09, 2016, 06:05:25 PM
Hernandez, Morrison, Chester, and Jedinak in and we will have the best squad in the championship by some margin. Add loans of McNair and Bamford and we look very strong indeed.

Plus no Gabby, Richards, Lescott, Guzan, Bennett, Gana, Richardson and NZogbia on the wage bill or stinking out the dressing room.

Superb team management from Tony, Wyness and RDM.

You do realise most of that hasn't come to fruition?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Mister E on August 09, 2016, 06:19:58 PM: Quote from: brian green on August 09, 2016, 04:23:57 PM
So now I have got Morrison's, Fernando, the Abba cuties in Lurex hotpants singing Waterloo and the African Car Reverser not to think about.
yes, but what about the Devil's avocado, as per your post on the previous page, Brian?
Your readers need to know!
Ahh: you buy your avocados, grown in Spain by Fernando, from Morrisons. Doing this pisses off the African (Avocado growing) guy who reverses his car across your Abba collection, just to vent his rage.
The work of the devil.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Big Dick Edwards on August 09, 2016, 06:34:27 PM: If we sign Morrison it should be on no more than a season long contract. Realistically, why will we be the club who finally tames him and bring his outstanding natural ability consistently to the fore?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: steamer on August 09, 2016, 06:52:48 PM: call me sceptical about Morrison, But hasn't he been chased from a number of clubs (including Small Heath) around attitude issues ?
I am sure I read some bizarre story about him having all his teeth removed ??
Not sure the type of player I would want anywhere near Villa Park
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 09, 2016, 07:12:52 PM: no, an utterly toothless player is not what we need right now
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cheltenhamlion on August 09, 2016, 07:17:16 PM: Although Toothless is a very fine dragon (one for the parents).
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: villabear on August 09, 2016, 07:23:25 PM: Paddy McNair off to Sunderland along with Donald Love according to Sky Sports News. Permanent deals.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: taylorsworkrate on August 09, 2016, 07:32:57 PM: Quote from: Tayls_7 on August 09, 2016, 06:08:50 PM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on August 09, 2016, 06:05:25 PM
Hernandez, Morrison, Chester, and Jedinak in and we will have the best squad in the championship by some margin. Add loans of McNair and Bamford and we look very strong indeed.

Plus no Gabby, Richards, Lescott, Guzan, Bennett, Gana, Richardson and NZogbia on the wage bill or stinking out the dressing room.

Superb team management from Tony, Wyness and RDM.

You do realise most of that hasn't come to fruition?

Virtually none of it
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: eamonn on August 09, 2016, 07:47:48 PM: Quote from: villabear on August 09, 2016, 07:23:25 PM
Paddy McNair off to Sunderland along with Donald Love according to Sky Sports News. Permanent deals.

Donald Love-->Owen McLove-->Donald Trump
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: JJ-AV on August 09, 2016, 07:58:13 PM: There was a character on one of the old GTA games called Donald Love
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: LeeB on August 09, 2016, 08:17:18 PM: Quote from: JJ-AV on August 09, 2016, 07:58:13 PM
There was a character on one of the old GTA games called Donald Love

The radio mogul?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 09, 2016, 08:26:29 PM: Quote from: taylorsworkrate on August 09, 2016, 07:32:57 PM
Quote from: Tayls_7 on August 09, 2016, 06:08:50 PM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on August 09, 2016, 06:05:25 PM
Hernandez, Morrison, Chester, and Jedinak in and we will have the best squad in the championship by some margin. Add loans of McNair and Bamford and we look very strong indeed.

Plus no Gabby, Richards, Lescott, Guzan, Bennett, Gana, Richardson and NZogbia on the wage bill or stinking out the dressing room.

Superb team management from Tony, Wyness and RDM.

You do realise most of that hasn't come to fruition?

Virtually none of it

Yes of course I do, hence its on the rumours and speculation thread. I am merely saying that if that is the way we go (as is being heavily speculated) it would leave us very strong.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tayls_7 on August 09, 2016, 08:30:49 PM: Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on August 09, 2016, 08:26:29 PM
Quote from: taylorsworkrate on August 09, 2016, 07:32:57 PM
Quote from: Tayls_7 on August 09, 2016, 06:08:50 PM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on August 09, 2016, 06:05:25 PM
Hernandez, Morrison, Chester, and Jedinak in and we will have the best squad in the championship by some margin. Add loans of McNair and Bamford and we look very strong indeed.

Plus no Gabby, Richards, Lescott, Guzan, Bennett, Gana, Richardson and NZogbia on the wage bill or stinking out the dressing room.

Superb team management from Tony, Wyness and RDM.

You do realise most of that hasn't come to fruition?

Virtually none of it

Yes of course I do, hence its on the rumours and speculation thread. I am merely saying that if that is the way we go (as is being heavily speculated) it would leave us very strong.

It was this statement that caught my attention as rather premature. I'm thinking about making a movie in the next few months. Maybe someone can nominate me for an Oscar now?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Londonvilla on August 09, 2016, 08:34:40 PM: http://www.squawka.com/news/fiorentina-confirm-the-signing-of-carlos-sanchez-from-aston-villa/743720

Fiorentina have confirmed the signing of Colombian international midfielder Carlos Sanchez from Aston Villa.

The Serie A side announced the news via their official Twitter account this evening and the 30-year-old becomes manager Paulo Sousa’s fourth permanent signing of the summer transfer window after the arrivals of Davide Astori, Bartlomiej Dragowskis, Kevin Diks and Ianis Hagi.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VillaAlways on August 09, 2016, 08:37:57 PM: Nick Mashiter has tweeted that Paddy Reilly is at the Molineux
Is he still employed by us ?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on August 09, 2016, 08:51:56 PM: Quote from: Londonvilla on August 09, 2016, 08:34:40 PM
http://www.squawka.com/news/fiorentina-confirm-the-signing-of-carlos-sanchez-from-aston-villa/743720

Fiorentina have confirmed the signing of Colombian international midfielder Carlos Sanchez from Aston Villa.

The Serie A side announced the news via their official Twitter account this evening and the 30-year-old becomes manager Paulo Sousa’s fourth permanent signing of the summer transfer window after the arrivals of Davide Astori, Bartlomiej Dragowskis, Kevin Diks and Ianis Hagi.

Great Fro, not much cop otherwise.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 09, 2016, 08:52:03 PM: Quote from: Londonvilla on August 09, 2016, 08:34:40 PM
http://www.squawka.com/news/fiorentina-confirm-the-signing-of-carlos-sanchez-from-aston-villa/743720

Fiorentina have confirmed the signing of Colombian international midfielder Carlos Sanchez from Aston Villa.

The Serie A side announced the news via their official Twitter account this evening and the 30-year-old becomes manager Paulo Sousa’s fourth permanent signing of the summer transfer window after the arrivals of Davide Astori, Bartlomiej Dragowskis, Kevin Diks and Ianis Hagi.

So he's the fifth, unless one of them's on loan.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: olaftab on August 09, 2016, 08:57:28 PM: No. Kevindiksand Ianishagi is one player.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on August 09, 2016, 09:03:48 PM: I wonder what his mom calls him? Kev I suppose.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: thick_mike on August 09, 2016, 09:06:06 PM: Can I just say...Kevindiksand?

I had that once in Great Yarmouth. Never doing that on a beach again!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brontebilly on August 09, 2016, 09:07:04 PM: Quote from: Big Dick Edwards on August 09, 2016, 06:34:27 PM
If we sign Morrison it should be on no more than a season long contract. Realistically, why will we be the club who finally tames him and bring his outstanding natural ability consistently to the fore?

we arent a turd polishing club, who was the last wild one we turned around?

Curcic, Collymore, Ireland - they all take the piss and we end up chasing them out

we have a squad where confidence is at rock bottom and with a lot of young impressionable lads coming through

we need this clown like a hole in the head
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: john e on August 09, 2016, 09:19:08 PM: Quote from: brontebilly on August 09, 2016, 09:07:04 PM
Quote from: Big Dick Edwards on August 09, 2016, 06:34:27 PM
If we sign Morrison it should be on no more than a season long contract. Realistically, why will we be the club who finally tames him and bring his outstanding natural ability consistently to the fore?

we arent a turd polishing club, who was the last wild one we turned around?

Curcic, Collymore, Ireland - they all take the piss and we end up chasing them out

we have a squad where confidence is at rock bottom and with a lot of young impressionable lads coming through

we need this clown like a hole in the head

we did buy that fella from man Utd with issues and dodgy knees though
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on August 09, 2016, 09:23:32 PM: Quote from: brontebilly on August 09, 2016, 09:07:04 PM
Quote from: Big Dick Edwards on August 09, 2016, 06:34:27 PM
If we sign Morrison it should be on no more than a season long contract. Realistically, why will we be the club who finally tames him and bring his outstanding natural ability consistently to the fore?

we arent a turd polishing club, who was the last wild one we turned around?

Curcic, Collymore, Ireland - they all take the piss and we end up chasing them out

we have a squad where confidence is at rock bottom and with a lot of young impressionable lads coming through

we need this clown like a hole in the head

add to if joe cole could recapture his form from 5 seasons ago, if senderos can stay fit, if pires could play without a zimmer frame, if grant holt could lose 5 stone, if richardson could be less shit, if lescott could move quicker than one of my logs

file morrison under something that doesnt need to be filed
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 09, 2016, 09:38:20 PM: Quote from: VillaAlways on August 09, 2016, 08:37:57 PM
Nick Mashiter has tweeted that Paddy Reilly is at the Molineux
Is he still employed by us ?

of course
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Havencheese on August 09, 2016, 10:00:21 PM: The club is in a state of flux, the biggest I can remember and Morrison is just too big a luxury for us at the moment. If it was a year from today, with a more settled and bonded squad, perhaps after a promotion then maybe yes. I just don't like the timing of his potential arrival at present.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 09, 2016, 10:02:21 PM: I don't think they will take the risk, but the potential reward is having he most talented player in the division. If, and it is a huge if, the terms were right and he bought into RDM, then you could understand the attraction from the club.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: OCD on August 09, 2016, 10:11:25 PM: So Sanchez has gone from wearing the Purple of a Villa shirt to the Purple of a Fiorentina one.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Havencheese on August 09, 2016, 10:15:15 PM: Haven't watched a lot of Serie A in the past few years but if he has time to dwell on the ball, Sanchez might do alright over there. Possibly a better fit from the beginning. Any figure yet of what we recouped
from the sale?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: danno on August 09, 2016, 10:16:10 PM: Quote from: Havencheese on August 09, 2016, 10:15:15 PM
Haven't watched a lot of Serie A in the past few years but if he has time to dwell on the ball, Sanchez might do alright over there. Possibly a better fit from the beginning. Any figure yet of what we recouped
from the sale?

I think it might be a season long loan
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Richard on August 09, 2016, 10:16:41 PM: Sanchez has gone on loan only I heard.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Havencheese on August 09, 2016, 10:22:01 PM: Okay, cheers. Ahhh the season long loan was our modus operandi for outgoings under Lerner but anything to reduce the wage bill at this stage is fine.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: The Left Side on August 09, 2016, 10:24:19 PM: Fiorentina's twitter account says they have temporarily signed Carlos Sanchez.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 09, 2016, 10:26:47 PM: Telegraph say we are interested in Jedinak and Ledley from Palace. Both would walk into the side in front of Westwood and Gardner.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Gareth on August 09, 2016, 10:42:33 PM: Jedinak or Ledley not Jedinak & Ledley
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on August 09, 2016, 10:44:52 PM: I'd get in ahead of Westwood he's crap
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on August 09, 2016, 10:47:18 PM: Joe Ledley? Any good? Underwhelming or a good potential signing? I don't know a great deal about him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 09, 2016, 10:53:15 PM: Jedinak would suit us. We have some talent, but getting character and grit in our squad is vital.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 09, 2016, 10:53:57 PM: Quote from: Gareth on August 09, 2016, 10:42:33 PM
Jedinak or Ledley not Jedinak & Ledley

Interested in both, but would be happy with either. I was simply stating both would walk into the side in front of what we have. I personally with Sanchez Gana and Veretout leaving would think we need at least 2, maybe 3 central midfielders. Straight swap the 2 of them for Westwood.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Gareth on August 09, 2016, 10:59:05 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on August 09, 2016, 10:53:57 PM
Quote from: Gareth on August 09, 2016, 10:42:33 PM
Jedinak or Ledley not Jedinak & Ledley

Interested in both, but would be happy with either. I was simply stating both would walk into the side in front of what we have. I personally with Sanchez Gana and Veretout leaving would think we need at least 2, maybe 3 central midfielders. Straight swap the 2 of them for Westwood.
Totally agree, perhaps Pardew would be silly enough to think Westwood is a Prem standard player....&....we'd promise to never mention 'the dad dance' again :-)
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 09, 2016, 11:14:56 PM: What was wrong with Westwood? He can adapt to any country with his pointing.

Sanchez is a very talented player that plays far too much football (club plus international) year after year and it's more than evident it's caught up with him. If he were to stay he'd need to retire from international football. A season out on loan and at his age makes him worthless in 12 months time.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KRS on August 09, 2016, 11:17:28 PM: If we sign a couple of midfielders and Westwood stays, the worrying thing for me is that Westwood would still somehow manage to convince RDM that he's one of the first names on the team sheet...or we'd get hit with an injury curse and he'd be first choice midfield option. What a fuckin nightmare that would be.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Chipsticks on August 09, 2016, 11:25:20 PM: Quote from: Newby on August 09, 2016, 10:47:18 PM
Joe Ledley? Any good? Underwhelming or a good potential signing? I don't know a great deal about him.

I'd say a very good signing. Mostly for the reason that he will follow the trend of signing Tommy Elphick in bringing in passion and desire to the team. Excellent work-rate and not bad technically either.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KRS on August 09, 2016, 11:35:45 PM: This rumour of a new midfielder coming in that will "excite" fans is very intriguing...will it be a young battling Championship level midfielder, or an experienced Premier League player...may be a current or former international player. Hopefully we'll get a couple of decent and experienced new players that can hit the ground running in midfield soon.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on August 10, 2016, 12:11:34 AM: Quote from: Newby on August 09, 2016, 10:47:18 PM
Joe Ledley? Any good? Underwhelming or a good potential signing? I don't know a great deal about him.

Certainly good enough for where we find ourselves. Left footed as well, so would give the midfield a better balance.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on August 10, 2016, 01:06:59 AM: Quote from: tomd2103 on August 10, 2016, 12:11:34 AM
Quote from: Newby on August 09, 2016, 10:47:18 PM
Joe Ledley? Any good? Underwhelming or a good potential signing? I don't know a great deal about him.

Certainly good enough for where we find ourselves. Left footed as well, so would give the midfield a better balance.

As the Welsh sing:

AIN'T NOBODY
LIKE JOE LEDLEY
MAKES ME HAPPY
MAKES ME FEEL THIS WAY

Chaka Khan!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 10, 2016, 07:23:56 AM: I do think Westwood is made the scapegoat for our woes. He played alright in the second half the other day. He's not brilliant, but he's nowhere near as poor as he's made out to be.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 10, 2016, 07:30:28 AM: Quote from: footyskillz on August 10, 2016, 01:06:59 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on August 10, 2016, 12:11:34 AM
Quote from: Newby on August 09, 2016, 10:47:18 PM
Joe Ledley? Any good? Underwhelming or a good potential signing? I don't know a great deal about him.

Certainly good enough for where we find ourselves. Left footed as well, so would give the midfield a better balance.

As the Welsh sing:

AIN'T NOBODY
LIKE JOE LEDLEY
MAKES ME HAPPY
MAKES ME FEEL THIS WAY

Chaka Khan!

comes back weeks after breaking leg !
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: old man villa fan on August 10, 2016, 07:53:27 AM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 10, 2016, 07:23:56 AM
I do think Westwood is made the scapegoat for our woes. He played alright in the second half the other day. He's not brilliant, but he's nowhere near as poor as he's made out to be.

In the position he plays, he goes missing too much. Further up the field he can get away with it. I do think people say he is ok because they are thinking about when he has the ball but study him when he does not have the ball.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sid1964 on August 10, 2016, 07:54:50 AM: In the Championship you need battlers, players who are prepared to get stuck in, a bit like Barton did for Burnley last season

Jedinak - to be honest never really noticed him, but it would appear as though he is the fans choice to do the battling role in midfield, so I bow to other people's knowledge of him
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 10, 2016, 09:26:31 AM: Quote from: sid1964 on August 10, 2016, 07:54:50 AM
In the Championship you need battlers, players who are prepared to get stuck in, a bit like Barton did for Burnley last season

Jedinak - to be honest never really noticed him, but it would appear as though he is the fans choice to do the battling role in midfield, so I bow to other people's knowledge of him

You've never really noticed that beard?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dazvillain on August 10, 2016, 09:29:25 AM: Press reporting Sunderland signing McNair from manure, quite fancied him coming to villa
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 10, 2016, 09:34:39 AM: Quote from: KRS on August 09, 2016, 11:35:45 PM
This rumour of a new midfielder coming in that will "excite" fans is very intriguing...will it be a young battling Championship level midfielder, or an experienced Premier League player...may be a current or former international player. Hopefully we'll get a couple of decent and experienced new players that can hit the ground running in midfield soon.

Joey Barton and Carlton Palmer
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 10, 2016, 10:04:34 AM: Quote from: old man villa fan on August 10, 2016, 07:53:27 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 10, 2016, 07:23:56 AM
I do think Westwood is made the scapegoat for our woes. He played alright in the second half the other day. He's not brilliant, but he's nowhere near as poor as he's made out to be.

In the position he plays, he goes missing too much. Further up the field he can get away with it. I do think people say he is ok because they are thinking about when he has the ball but study him when he does not have the ball.

Then maybe he's not being played in the right position. His use of the ball on Sunday was decent.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tayls_7 on August 10, 2016, 10:08:48 AM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 10, 2016, 10:04:34 AM
Quote from: old man villa fan on August 10, 2016, 07:53:27 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 10, 2016, 07:23:56 AM
I do think Westwood is made the scapegoat for our woes. He played alright in the second half the other day. He's not brilliant, but he's nowhere near as poor as he's made out to be.

In the position he plays, he goes missing too much. Further up the field he can get away with it. I do think people say he is ok because they are thinking about when he has the ball but study him when he does not have the ball.

I know what Westwood's best position is.

Then maybe he's not being played in the right position. His use of the ball on Sunday was decent.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 10, 2016, 10:21:24 AM: My impressions of Ledley when he played against us for Palace, is that he's a cheat (diving, moaning to try and get others booked, etc). We could do with more cheats in the side.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 10, 2016, 10:24:02 AM: Quote from: footyskillz on August 10, 2016, 01:06:59 AM
Quote from: tomd2103 on August 10, 2016, 12:11:34 AM
Quote from: Newby on August 09, 2016, 10:47:18 PM
Joe Ledley? Any good? Underwhelming or a good potential signing? I don't know a great deal about him.

Certainly good enough for where we find ourselves. Left footed as well, so would give the midfield a better balance.

As the Welsh sing:

AIN'T NOBODY
LIKE JOE LEDLEY
MAKES ME HAPPY
MAKES ME FEEL THIS WAY

Chaka Khan!

Alternatively, this could be adapted.. or not.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on August 10, 2016, 10:33:07 AM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 10, 2016, 10:04:34 AM
Quote from: old man villa fan on August 10, 2016, 07:53:27 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 10, 2016, 07:23:56 AM
I do think Westwood is made the scapegoat for our woes. He played alright in the second half the other day. He's not brilliant, but he's nowhere near as poor as he's made out to be.

In the position he plays, he goes missing too much. Further up the field he can get away with it. I do think people say he is ok because they are thinking about when he has the ball but study him when he does not have the ball.

Then maybe he's not being played in the right position. His use of the ball on Sunday was decent.

I don't think it's necessarily an issue of physical position on the pitch, but rather his level of importance to the side. People wouldn't criticise him if his role in the side was to play second or third fiddle to a more influential midfielder. Instead, he's been required basically forever to be our midfield playmaker, and to get forward and score some goals as well, and he's simply not up to those tasks.

I mean, on Sunday, he turned in a decent enough performance: won the ball quite a few times, tidy as usual with his passing, and got into some good positions (and could have scored a belter). If that had only been the third-best performance by one of our midfielders, we would be very happy with it; but instead, there wasn't much else happening for us in the middle of the park.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: in exile on August 10, 2016, 10:34:45 AM: Given the choice I'd take Ledley
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on August 10, 2016, 10:44:46 AM: Quote from: in exile on August 10, 2016, 10:34:45 AM
Given the choice I'd take Ledley

Given the chance i'd take both
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 10, 2016, 11:04:58 AM: Shame about Hernandez. There's still 3 weeks left so possibly things could get sorted out at Hull.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on August 10, 2016, 11:11:10 AM: I'd prefer somebody more mobile. Hernandez looks good in the box, but I think we'd benefit between somebody with pace who is capable of pulling defenders wide too.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: in exile on August 10, 2016, 11:14:16 AM: How about Forestieri?
Derby have put a bid of £7m in for him (according to SKY sources)
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Duncan Shaw on August 10, 2016, 11:18:28 AM: Not Villa related, but was eating in a restaurant on the Albert Dock in Liverpool last night and Ashley Williams came in with a group of 4, all selfies and smiles so presume his Everton deal is done.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on August 10, 2016, 11:28:15 AM: I must be the only one totally underwhelmed by the links to Ledley/Jedinak.

Not that either are bad players, I just find them both incredibly average and I assumed with the recent outgoings the idea was to rid ourselves of those type of player.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 10, 2016, 11:40:16 AM: Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on August 10, 2016, 11:28:15 AM

I must be the only one totally underwhelmed by the links to Ledley/Jedinak.

Not that either are bad players, I just find them both incredibly average and I assumed with the recent outgoings the idea was to rid ourselves of those type of player.

Average at our level they are not. They're mid-table Premier League players.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VillaAlways on August 10, 2016, 11:59:00 AM: Pat Murphy:-

Understand Lescott & Agbonlahor r part of the @AVFCOfficial exit strategy,announced soon. Bit complicated at mo.But Richards in RDM's plans.

And

Jedinak & Hernandez under review by @AVFCOfficial but no bids as yet for them. RDM considering others as well. Working thro' his list.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on August 10, 2016, 12:00:45 PM: I wonder who the bids are for then for the 3 players the good Dr mentioned?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on August 10, 2016, 12:02:52 PM: That makes a bit of sense, I'd say Baker, Elphick and Lescott are similar types of players whereas Richards has a bit of pace, even if his attitude is questionable. I'd still be pretty surprised though if Richards was still here after the window shuts, he'll get other offers.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tayls_7 on August 10, 2016, 12:07:03 PM: I have no issue with Ayew going particularly for the fee of 12 million mentioned. I don't think he is one for the trenches and that money could be very useful.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Richard E on August 10, 2016, 12:08:09 PM: Quote from: VillaAlways on August 10, 2016, 11:59:00 AM
Pat Murphy:-

Understand Lescott & Agbonlahor r part of the @AVFCOfficial exit strategy,announced soon. Bit complicated at mo.But Richards in RDM's plans.

And

Jedinak & Hernandez under review by @AVFCOfficial but no bids as yet for them. RDM considering others as well. Working thro' his list.

He also says that the midfielder Dr Tony was tweeting about yesterday looks like it is not going to happen, but he does not know who it is.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 10, 2016, 12:13:01 PM: We seem to be a lot more efficient at getting rid of players this summer.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Brend'Watkins on August 10, 2016, 12:14:22 PM: Quote from: Tayls_7 on August 10, 2016, 12:07:03 PM
I have no issue with Ayew going particularly for the fee of 12 million mentioned. I don't think he is one for the trenches and that money could be very useful.

I do. He's one of only a very few who have the ability, desire, attitude and know how to lead us out of the division. He gets frustrated with those around him which I fully understand. He's also better than his brother who went for £20 million. He's a must keep.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 10, 2016, 12:16:34 PM: Quote from: Bren'd on August 10, 2016, 12:14:22 PM
Quote from: Tayls_7 on August 10, 2016, 12:07:03 PM
I have no issue with Ayew going particularly for the fee of 12 million mentioned. I don't think he is one for the trenches and that money could be very useful.

I do. He's one of only a very few who have the ability, desire, attitude and know how to lead us out of the division. He gets frustrated with those around him which I fully understand. He's also better than his brother who went for £20 million. He's a must keep.

I agree. To me he looked a cut above on Sunday and we need to keep him. We already have loads of players leaving who need replacing.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: glasses on August 10, 2016, 12:20:18 PM: Quote from: Bren'd on August 10, 2016, 12:14:22 PM
Quote from: Tayls_7 on August 10, 2016, 12:07:03 PM
I have no issue with Ayew going particularly for the fee of 12 million mentioned. I don't think he is one for the trenches and that money could be very useful.

I do. He's one of only a very few who have the ability, desire, attitude and know how to lead us out of the division. He gets frustrated with those around him which I fully understand. He's also better than his brother who went for £20 million. He's a must keep.
There's somethoing about him I don't like. I don't quite know what it is. He's shown flashes of skill, scored some great goals, seems to put the effort in. He was a class above all on the pitch on Sunday, but i just don't like watching him play? It's weird.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Nelly on August 10, 2016, 12:20:37 PM: Quote from: Bren'd on August 10, 2016, 12:14:22 PM
Quote from: Tayls_7 on August 10, 2016, 12:07:03 PM
I have no issue with Ayew going particularly for the fee of 12 million mentioned. I don't think he is one for the trenches and that money could be very useful.

I do. He's one of only a very few who have the ability, desire, attitude and know how to lead us out of the division. He gets frustrated with those around him which I fully understand. He's also better than his brother who went for £20 million. He's a must keep.

Same. I'd rather we keep players who have enough about them for a league higher than where we are.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Nunkin1965 on August 10, 2016, 12:20:56 PM: Quote from: Bren'd on August 10, 2016, 12:14:22 PM
Quote from: Tayls_7 on August 10, 2016, 12:07:03 PM
I have no issue with Ayew going particularly for the fee of 12 million mentioned. I don't think he is one for the trenches and that money could be very useful.

I do. He's one of only a very few who have the ability, desire, attitude and know how to lead us out of the division. He gets frustrated with those around him which I fully understand. He's also better than his brother who went for £20 million. He's a must keep.

He's talented but needs to pass the ball. He drives me nuts. He can walk past defenders but it's pointless if he refuses to use better options.

McCormack will have a frustrating time playing alongside him I think.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mallo on August 10, 2016, 12:21:45 PM: Quote from: Bren'd on August 10, 2016, 12:14:22 PM
Quote from: Tayls_7 on August 10, 2016, 12:07:03 PM
I have no issue with Ayew going particularly for the fee of 12 million mentioned. I don't think he is one for the trenches and that money could be very useful.

I do. He's one of only a very few who have the ability, desire, attitude and know how to lead us out of the division. He gets frustrated with those around him which I fully understand. He's also better than his brother who went for £20 million. He's a must keep.

I agree - we need to be keeping our better players, and Ayew at least has a season with us under his belt and is exactly who we need. If he were playing for Hull or similar we'd bite their arms off for him. It's not worth trying to replace him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VillaAlways on August 10, 2016, 12:21:53 PM: Quote from: Tayls_7 on August 10, 2016, 12:07:03 PM
I have no issue with Ayew going particularly for the fee of 12 million mentioned. I don't think he is one for the trenches and that money could be very useful.
I would. Especially seeing Bolasie going for double that having scored less goals than JA last season. He is a must keep
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Nelly on August 10, 2016, 12:22:22 PM: Quote from: glasses on August 10, 2016, 12:20:18 PM
Quote from: Bren'd on August 10, 2016, 12:14:22 PM
Quote from: Tayls_7 on August 10, 2016, 12:07:03 PM
I have no issue with Ayew going particularly for the fee of 12 million mentioned. I don't think he is one for the trenches and that money could be very useful.

I do. He's one of only a very few who have the ability, desire, attitude and know how to lead us out of the division. He gets frustrated with those around him which I fully understand. He's also better than his brother who went for £20 million. He's a must keep.
There's somethoing about him I don't like. I don't quite know what it is. He's shown flashes of skill, scored some great goals, seems to put the effort in. He was a class above all on the pitch on Sunday, but i just don't like watching him play? It's weird.

I think if he was played as a forward with some supply around him, we'd see a happier, goal-scoring Ayew. He's not a wide attacker for me, we're just accomodating others at his expense currently. He still looked our best attacking threat against Wednesday though.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Havencheese on August 10, 2016, 12:22:48 PM: Quote from: Tayls_7 on August 10, 2016, 12:07:03 PM
I have no issue with Ayew going particularly for the fee of 12 million mentioned. I don't think he is one for the trenches and that money could be very useful.

I do. Slap an £18m price tag and get them to stump up for him. We've failed to cash in for years.

I would rather the club hangs onto him however.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: LukeJames on August 10, 2016, 12:24:52 PM: 12m for Ayew? No chance, if Andres gone for 20m then Jordans atleast 25m.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Mister E on August 10, 2016, 12:29:14 PM: Quote from: Nelly on August 10, 2016, 12:22:22 PM
Quote from: glasses on August 10, 2016, 12:20:18 PM
Quote from: Bren'd on August 10, 2016, 12:14:22 PM
Quote from: Tayls_7 on August 10, 2016, 12:07:03 PM
I have no issue with Ayew going particularly for the fee of 12 million mentioned. I don't think he is one for the trenches and that money could be very useful.

I do. He's one of only a very few who have the ability, desire, attitude and know how to lead us out of the division. He gets frustrated with those around him which I fully understand. He's also better than his brother who went for £20 million. He's a must keep.
There's somethoing about him I don't like. I don't quite know what it is. He's shown flashes of skill, scored some great goals, seems to put the effort in. He was a class above all on the pitch on Sunday, but i just don't like watching him play? It's weird.

I think if he was played as a forward with some supply around him, we'd see a happier, goal-scoring Ayew. He's not a wide attacker for me, we're just accomodating others at his expense currently. He still looked our best attacking threat against Wednesday though.
Agree with this.
Ayew was the pick of the bunch on Sunday and I think McCormack will enhance his play. Get some structure and assuredness in midfield and Ayew will improve. We should defo hang onto him by putting a realistic / stay-away price on him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tayls_7 on August 10, 2016, 12:29:30 PM: I find Ayew hard to fathom. He has talent but it is sporadic and mecurial. He is neither a prolific creator or goalscorer. His defensive discipline is also questionable. He is way down the list of players i'd like to see leave but I won't cry too much about it either.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on August 10, 2016, 12:47:13 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 10, 2016, 12:13:01 PM
We seem to be a lot more efficient at getting rid of players this summer.

You reckon?

Last year of the players that the club obviously wanted rid of we disposed of Luna, Weimann, Sylla, Helenius, Senderos, Cole, Tonev, Given, Stevens and Lowton.

This summer it's Crespo, Guzan and Siegrist.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 10, 2016, 12:48:28 PM: I wish we'd stop signing the utter shite in the first place :)
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on August 10, 2016, 12:56:18 PM: Quote from: Dave on August 10, 2016, 12:47:13 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 10, 2016, 12:13:01 PM
We seem to be a lot more efficient at getting rid of players this summer.

You reckon?

Last year of the players that the club obviously wanted rid of we disposed of Luna, Weimann, Sylla, Helenius, Senderos, Cole, Tonev, Given, Stevens and Lowton.

This summer it's Crespo, Guzan and Siegrist.

I'm not convinced by Celtics story that we wanted to keep Sinclair.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on August 10, 2016, 12:59:49 PM: Quote from: Nunkin1965 on August 10, 2016, 12:20:56 PM
Quote from: Bren'd on August 10, 2016, 12:14:22 PM
Quote from: Tayls_7 on August 10, 2016, 12:07:03 PM
I have no issue with Ayew going particularly for the fee of 12 million mentioned. I don't think he is one for the trenches and that money could be very useful.

I do. He's one of only a very few who have the ability, desire, attitude and know how to lead us out of the division. He gets frustrated with those around him which I fully understand. He's also better than his brother who went for £20 million. He's a must keep.

He's talented but needs to pass the ball. He drives me nuts. He can walk past defenders but it's pointless if he refuses to use better options.

McCormack will have a frustrating time playing alongside him I think.

My concern is that Ayew is turning into Zog, just with a better attitude and far better taste in clothes
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on August 10, 2016, 01:00:56 PM: Quote from: PeterWithe on August 10, 2016, 12:56:18 PM
Quote from: Dave on August 10, 2016, 12:47:13 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 10, 2016, 12:13:01 PM
We seem to be a lot more efficient at getting rid of players this summer.

You reckon?

Last year of the players that the club obviously wanted rid of we disposed of Luna, Weimann, Sylla, Helenius, Senderos, Cole, Tonev, Given, Stevens and Lowton.

This summer it's Crespo, Guzan and Siegrist.

I'm not convinced by Celtics story that we wanted to keep Sinclair.

Possibly, but we at least cared about keeping him enough to reject their first couple of bids.

Something which I wouldn't see happening for anyone on the above list.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: paul_e on August 10, 2016, 01:02:30 PM: Quote from: Tayls_7 on August 10, 2016, 12:29:30 PM
I find Ayew hard to fathom. He has talent but it is sporadic and mecurial. He is neither a prolific creator or goalscorer. His defensive discipline is also questionable. He is way down the list of players i'd like to see leave but I won't cry too much about it either.

He's being played out of position though, he's not a left sided midfielder in a 4 which is pretty much where we tried to fit him at the weekend.

Right now i'd switch to a 4321 and have him and RM as the 2.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: johnny from donny on August 10, 2016, 01:03:08 PM: Quote from: Richard E on August 10, 2016, 12:08:09 PM
Quote from: VillaAlways on August 10, 2016, 11:59:00 AM
Pat Murphy:-

Understand Lescott & Agbonlahor r part of the @AVFCOfficial exit strategy,announced soon. Bit complicated at mo.But Richards in RDM's plans.

And

Jedinak & Hernandez under review by @AVFCOfficial but no bids as yet for them. RDM considering others as well. Working thro' his list.

He also says that the midfielder Dr Tony was tweeting about yesterday looks like it is not going to happen, but he does not know who it is.

I think the phrase used was "not a runner " Welcome back Gareth Barry
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 10, 2016, 01:03:39 PM: Quote from: PeterWithe on August 10, 2016, 12:56:18 PM
Quote from: Dave on August 10, 2016, 12:47:13 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 10, 2016, 12:13:01 PM
We seem to be a lot more efficient at getting rid of players this summer.

You reckon?

Last year of the players that the club obviously wanted rid of we disposed of Luna, Weimann, Sylla, Helenius, Senderos, Cole, Tonev, Given, Stevens and Lowton.

This summer it's Crespo, Guzan and Siegrist.

I'm not convinced by Celtics story that we wanted to keep Sinclair.

Or that we necessarily wanted to keep Gil or Sanchez. If Gabby and Lescott are going as well we're doing alright.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 10, 2016, 01:05:08 PM: Quote from: Dave on August 10, 2016, 01:00:56 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on August 10, 2016, 12:56:18 PM
Quote from: Dave on August 10, 2016, 12:47:13 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 10, 2016, 12:13:01 PM
We seem to be a lot more efficient at getting rid of players this summer.

You reckon?

Last year of the players that the club obviously wanted rid of we disposed of Luna, Weimann, Sylla, Helenius, Senderos, Cole, Tonev, Given, Stevens and Lowton.

This summer it's Crespo, Guzan and Siegrist.

I'm not convinced by Celtics story that we wanted to keep Sinclair.

Possibly, but we at least cared about keeping him enough to reject their first couple of bids.

Something which I wouldn't see happening for anyone on the above list.

Surely if someone comes in for a player at a different club, that club are always going to act like they want to keep him in order to drive the price up.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on August 10, 2016, 01:07:46 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 10, 2016, 01:03:39 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on August 10, 2016, 12:56:18 PM
Quote from: Dave on August 10, 2016, 12:47:13 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 10, 2016, 12:13:01 PM
We seem to be a lot more efficient at getting rid of players this summer.

You reckon?

Last year of the players that the club obviously wanted rid of we disposed of Luna, Weimann, Sylla, Helenius, Senderos, Cole, Tonev, Given, Stevens and Lowton.

This summer it's Crespo, Guzan and Siegrist.

I'm not convinced by Celtics story that we wanted to keep Sinclair.

Or that we necessarily wanted to keep Gil or Sanchez. If Gabby and Lescott are going as well we're doing alright.

I wouldn't have said that we did want to keep the first two, but we haven't got rid of them. Like last summer, we didn't get rid of Baker, Cissokho and Gardner.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on August 10, 2016, 01:10:21 PM: Quote from: paul_e on August 10, 2016, 01:02:30 PM
Quote from: Tayls_7 on August 10, 2016, 12:29:30 PM
I find Ayew hard to fathom. He has talent but it is sporadic and mecurial. He is neither a prolific creator or goalscorer. His defensive discipline is also questionable. He is way down the list of players i'd like to see leave but I won't cry too much about it either.

He's being played out of position though, he's not a left sided midfielder in a 4 which is pretty much where we tried to fit him at the weekend.

Right now i'd switch to a 4321 and have him and RM as the 2.

He also played the majority of last season with there either being no one to pass to, or no one one worth passing to. It'll feel like a novel concept to him if he's got someone like McCormack within 30 yards.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brontebilly on August 10, 2016, 01:11:21 PM: Quote from: paul_e on August 10, 2016, 01:02:30 PM
Quote from: Tayls_7 on August 10, 2016, 12:29:30 PM
I find Ayew hard to fathom. He has talent but it is sporadic and mecurial. He is neither a prolific creator or goalscorer. His defensive discipline is also questionable. He is way down the list of players i'd like to see leave but I won't cry too much about it either.

He's being played out of position though, he's not a left sided midfielder in a 4 which is pretty much where we tried to fit him at the weekend.

Right now i'd switch to a 4321 and have him and RM as the 2.

He was moved in off the left when Grealish came on and was completely ineffectual up top next to Gestede. So much so that he had to be shifted back to the left eventually and Grealish dropped into the middle. Nothing in his career suggests he will be a prolific scorer down the middle. But Grealish needs to come back on the left regardless, really think the Amavi/Grealish combo on the left should may hay at this level.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on August 10, 2016, 01:11:47 PM: Quote from: PeterWithe on August 10, 2016, 12:56:18 PM
Quote from: Dave on August 10, 2016, 12:47:13 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 10, 2016, 12:13:01 PM
We seem to be a lot more efficient at getting rid of players this summer.

You reckon?

Last year of the players that the club obviously wanted rid of we disposed of Luna, Weimann, Sylla, Helenius, Senderos, Cole, Tonev, Given, Stevens and Lowton.

This summer it's Crespo, Guzan and Siegrist.

I'm not convinced by Celtics story that we wanted to keep Sinclair.

PR spin to me. Same sort of bollocks as with Pellegrini claiming that we forced Delph out of the club.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on August 10, 2016, 01:41:14 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 10, 2016, 01:05:08 PM
Quote from: Dave on August 10, 2016, 01:00:56 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on August 10, 2016, 12:56:18 PM
Quote from: Dave on August 10, 2016, 12:47:13 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 10, 2016, 12:13:01 PM
We seem to be a lot more efficient at getting rid of players this summer.

You reckon?

Last year of the players that the club obviously wanted rid of we disposed of Luna, Weimann, Sylla, Helenius, Senderos, Cole, Tonev, Given, Stevens and Lowton.

This summer it's Crespo, Guzan and Siegrist.

I'm not convinced by Celtics story that we wanted to keep Sinclair.

Possibly, but we at least cared about keeping him enough to reject their first couple of bids.

Something which I wouldn't see happening for anyone on the above list.

Surely if someone comes in for a player at a different club, that club are always going to act like they want to keep him in order to drive the price up.

I wouldn't have said always. We didn't seem to try and push the price up for last year's half dozen or so free transfers.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Risso on August 10, 2016, 01:49:45 PM: That's because we were run by idiots. We played Brenda brilliantly over Sinclair. If it had been Lerner he'd be training with the kids and given a new contract till 2036.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 10, 2016, 01:54:16 PM: I think the alleged £9.5 million we've brought in for Clark and Sinclair is pretty good business. Obviously it'll be ultimately determined by who are the replacements.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on August 10, 2016, 02:01:33 PM: Quote from: Risso on August 10, 2016, 01:49:45 PM
That's because we were run by idiots. We played Brenda brilliantly over Sinclair.

Well quite. Therefore it's not always the case that a club is always going to reject initial offers for their players.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on August 10, 2016, 02:02:01 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 10, 2016, 11:40:16 AM
Average at our level they are not. They're mid-table Premier League players.

to my mind we've got enough mid table standard players, who are under performing. i watch a lot of Palace and neither at this stage of their career would make us a top championship outfit based on what i've watched
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on August 10, 2016, 02:05:21 PM: Quote from: VillaAlways on August 10, 2016, 11:59:00 AM
Pat Murphy:-

Understand Lescott & Agbonlahor r part of the @AVFCOfficial exit strategy,announced soon. Bit complicated at mo.But Richards in RDM's plans.

JFC. What on earth has Richards got to do to be kicked out the door ?

Makes my blood boil the lump of useless shite
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 10, 2016, 02:07:21 PM: I will be a tad irritated if keep Richards, he is top of my shit list.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 10, 2016, 02:07:50 PM: Quote from: Villa in Denmark on August 10, 2016, 01:10:21 PM
Quote from: paul_e on August 10, 2016, 01:02:30 PM
Quote from: Tayls_7 on August 10, 2016, 12:29:30 PM
I find Ayew hard to fathom. He has talent but it is sporadic and mecurial. He is neither a prolific creator or goalscorer. His defensive discipline is also questionable. He is way down the list of players i'd like to see leave but I won't cry too much about it either.

He's being played out of position though, he's not a left sided midfielder in a 4 which is pretty much where we tried to fit him at the weekend.

Right now i'd switch to a 4321 and have him and RM as the 2.

He also played the majority of last season with there either being no one to pass to, or no one one worth passing to. It'll feel like a novel concept to him if he's got someone like McCormack within 30 yards.
i am also in the not convinced by Ayew, he is talented no doubt, part of the problem is that he never looks to pass it quickly even if there is a pass on.
For all of his ability there is not much end product.
Jury stil out for me.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on August 10, 2016, 02:09:31 PM: Palace fans love Jedinak, he's not first choice anymore but almost to a man on their forums they say he's a proper leader, club captain in the truest word and a decent player. Would be just the sort we need in Midfield.

Jedinak, Elphick and McCormack. 3 captains signed, 3 leaders, a new spine to the team. Get a proper number 9 and it's most promising. Would just need a few touches here and there.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on August 10, 2016, 02:11:00 PM: https://www.holmesdale.net/page.php?id=106&tid=161625&page=6 (https://www.holmesdale.net/page.php?id=106&tid=161625&page=6) Palace fans thoughts on him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: in exile on August 10, 2016, 02:13:20 PM: NEWSFLASH...aj2k77 in positive post shock
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 10, 2016, 02:46:05 PM: Been linked to a Bologna player (never heard of him but is described as a 'wonder kid' and 'new Kolo Toure' in the article) called Amadou Diawara. 19 year old defensive midfielder, Ghana International.

Apparently we have €17m for him. No idea if it's a reliable source.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: themossman on August 10, 2016, 02:46:52 PM: Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on August 10, 2016, 02:05:21 PM
Quote from: VillaAlways on August 10, 2016, 11:59:00 AM
Pat Murphy:-

Understand Lescott & Agbonlahor r part of the @AVFCOfficial exit strategy,announced soon. Bit complicated at mo.But Richards in RDM's plans.

JFC. What on earth has Richards got to do to be kicked out the door ?

Makes my blood boil the lump of useless shite

I hate Richards, I really do. But of those 3 he's the only one where you can say there's a footballer hiding in there.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cdward on August 10, 2016, 02:52:28 PM: I would argue that the manager was relatively happy to let them go i.e Sinclair, Clark, Gueye, Guzan, Bennett, so he can build his own team. If an offer came in for Ayew, it would be the same, take the money and look for a replacement.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: themossman on August 10, 2016, 02:59:50 PM: Re Richards, he also strikes me as the kind of easily led simpleton that could be very susceptible to either good or bad influences in the dressing room. So maybe RDM is happy that with a few more good eggs around the place he can be brought back in line.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 10, 2016, 03:00:56 PM: Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on August 10, 2016, 02:46:05 PM
Been linked to a Bologna player (never heard of him but is described as a 'wonder kid' and 'new Kolo Toure' in the article) called Amadou Diawara. 19 year old defensive midfielder, Ghana International.

Apparently we have €17m for him. No idea if it's a reliable source.

Every Italian club and the top PL clubs are also linked with him. Don't be too disappointed if we don't get him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on August 10, 2016, 03:19:15 PM: A few days ago Rafael van der Vaart was mentioned as potentially our meltdown signing. He's just become FC Midtjylland's meltdown signing.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: LeeB on August 10, 2016, 03:21:34 PM: Quote from: Villa in Denmark on August 10, 2016, 03:19:15 PM
A few days ago Rafael van der Vaart was mentioned as potentially our meltdown signing. He's just become FC Midtjylland's meltdown signing.

Midgetland is an apropriate destination.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 10, 2016, 03:32:46 PM: Quote from: aj2k77 on August 10, 2016, 02:09:31 PM
Palace fans love Jedinak, he's not first choice anymore but almost to a man on their forums they say he's a proper leader, club captain in the truest word and a decent player. Would be just the sort we need in Midfield.

exactly

my father in law is season ticket holder at palace and I spoke to his brother in my business yesterday and both rave about Jedinak and said he would be brilliant for Villa , he takes no prisoners
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 10, 2016, 03:53:37 PM: Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on August 10, 2016, 03:00:56 PM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on August 10, 2016, 02:46:05 PM
Been linked to a Bologna player (never heard of him but is described as a 'wonder kid' and 'new Kolo Toure' in the article) called Amadou Diawara. 19 year old defensive midfielder, Ghana International.

Apparently we have €17m for him. No idea if it's a reliable source.

Every Italian club and the top PL clubs are also linked with him. Don't be too disappointed if we don't get him.

As I'd never heard of until today, I can't say I'm bothered either way. We had too many foreign prospects like Gana and Vertout last year. This season I'd prefer we stick to players like Jedinak.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on August 10, 2016, 04:02:56 PM: Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on August 10, 2016, 03:53:37 PM
We had too many foreign prospects like Gana and Vertout last year. This season I'd prefer we stick to players like Jedinak.

An Aussie
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on August 10, 2016, 04:15:16 PM: Quote from: JUAN PABLO on August 10, 2016, 03:32:46 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on August 10, 2016, 02:09:31 PM
Palace fans love Jedinak, he's not first choice anymore but almost to a man on their forums they say he's a proper leader, club captain in the truest word and a decent player. Would be just the sort we need in Midfield.

exactly

my father in law is season ticket holder at palace and I spoke to his brother in my business yesterday and both rave about Jedinak and said he would be brilliant for Villa , he takes no prisoners

Although I don't think the Championship is quite the clogfest it is made out to be by some, we definitely need more of a physical presence in midfield. It is not as apparent now in the Premier League, but I think the physical contest in midfield becomes more important the lower down the leagues you go. Tshibola needs time and I would use him sparingly this season, meaning we are probably going to have to bring in at least two other central midfielders.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Chris Smith on August 10, 2016, 04:40:28 PM: Quote from: tomd2103 on August 10, 2016, 04:15:16 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on August 10, 2016, 03:32:46 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on August 10, 2016, 02:09:31 PM
Palace fans love Jedinak, he's not first choice anymore but almost to a man on their forums they say he's a proper leader, club captain in the truest word and a decent player. Would be just the sort we need in Midfield.

exactly

my father in law is season ticket holder at palace and I spoke to his brother in my business yesterday and both rave about Jedinak and said he would be brilliant for Villa , he takes no prisoners

Although I don't think the Championship is quite the clogfest it is made out to be by some, we definitely need more of a physical presence in midfield. It is not as apparent now in the Premier League, but I think the physical contest in midfield becomes more important the lower down the leagues you go. Tshibola needs time and I would use him sparingly this season, meaning we are probably going to have to bring in at least two other central midfielders.

If Sunday was anything to go by then I think you are right about the physical side. Players were allowed to get away with a lot more than in in the PL before the ref showed a card. Of course it might just been him, time will tell.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 10, 2016, 04:57:45 PM: Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on August 10, 2016, 04:02:56 PM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on August 10, 2016, 03:53:37 PM
We had too many foreign prospects like Gana and Vertout last year. This season I'd prefer we stick to players like Jedinak.

An Aussie

I never said he was British. What I meant was players that are more of a known quantity regards English football. I love the excitement of a signing from a foreign league as much as the next person, but we have to rebuild in a lot of positions and need players that can hit the ground running in the key positions. Elphick, and McCormack type signings. Jedinak has captained Crystal Palace out of this division and done pretty well since getting into the Premier League also. Better him in central midfield than an €18m punt on a 19 year old that has been playing in Serie A.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Richard E on August 10, 2016, 05:05:01 PM: Quote from: JUAN PABLO on August 10, 2016, 03:32:46 PM
Quote from: aj2k77 on August 10, 2016, 02:09:31 PM
Palace fans love Jedinak, he's not first choice anymore but almost to a man on their forums they say he's a proper leader, club captain in the truest word and a decent player. Would be just the sort we need in Midfield.

exactly

my father in law is season ticket holder at palace and I spoke to his brother in my business yesterday and both rave about Jedinak and said he would be brilliant for Villa , he takes no prisoners

I always wondered what the story was behind him getting sacked from Winson Green.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on August 10, 2016, 05:58:07 PM: Unusually we are all in agreement re Jedinak. We want him in and very soon!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: markeeeebeeee2005 on August 10, 2016, 05:58:11 PM: Quote from: themossman on August 10, 2016, 02:59:50 PM
Re Richards, he also strikes me as the kind of easily led simpleton that could be very susceptible to either good or bad influences in the dressing room. So maybe RDM is happy that with a few more good eggs around the place he can be brought back in line.

For me, Richard's was likely the ringleader of all the BS. He thinks he's too good for us and his venom probably came from frustration. Gabby is the truly stupid one. If you told that numpty to jump off a cliff you'd only hear a thud.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 10, 2016, 05:59:50 PM: Diawara has turned us down, apparently. He's on strike until he gets the move he wants - and it isn't us.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 10, 2016, 06:00:07 PM: Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on August 10, 2016, 02:46:05 PM
Been linked to a Bologna player (never heard of him but is described as a 'wonder kid' and 'new Kolo Toure' in the article) called Amadou Diawara. 19 year old defensive midfielder, Ghana International.

Apparently we have €17m for him. No idea if it's a reliable source.

I've just read that he turned us down and has his heart set on Roma, so much so, he's gone AWOL.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Mister E on August 10, 2016, 06:02:29 PM: Quote from: brontebilly on August 10, 2016, 01:11:21 PM
..., really think the Amavi/Grealish combo on the left should may hay at this level.
Until a smart manager decides to attack down our left flank because Amavi and Grealish are not the most resilient of combos. Don't get me wrong: I think the combo might work, but it means having a central MF set-up that provides cover when FB go forwards. Currently, we don't have that.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 10, 2016, 06:03:58 PM: Quote from: markeeeebeeee2005 on August 10, 2016, 05:58:11 PM
Quote from: themossman on August 10, 2016, 02:59:50 PM
Re Richards, he also strikes me as the kind of easily led simpleton that could be very susceptible to either good or bad influences in the dressing room. So maybe RDM is happy that with a few more good eggs around the place he can be brought back in line.

For me, Richard's was likely the ringleader of all the BS. He thinks he's too good for us and his venom probably came from frustration. Gabby is the truly stupid one. If you told that numpty to jump off a cliff you'd only hear a thud.

Richards like to see himself as the clown off the pitch. See his youtube Video Diaries whilst on tour with Citeh. Problem for us was he was also a clown on the pitch.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 10, 2016, 06:04:42 PM: Quote from: mr underhill on August 10, 2016, 05:59:50 PM
Diawara has turned us down, apparently. He's on strike until he gets the move he wants - and it isn't us.

not the attitude we want anyway
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 10, 2016, 06:06:13 PM: Quote from: VILLA MOLE on August 10, 2016, 06:04:42 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on August 10, 2016, 05:59:50 PM
Diawara has turned us down, apparently. He's on strike until he gets the move he wants - and it isn't us.

not the attitude we want anyway

No, though I said that about Benteke when he sulked his way to a move from Ghent.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Mister E on August 10, 2016, 06:07:30 PM: Quote from: themossman on August 10, 2016, 02:59:50 PM
Re Richards, he also strikes me as the kind of easily led simpleton that could be very susceptible to either good or bad influences in the dressing room. So maybe RDM is happy that with a few more good eggs around the place he can be brought back in line.
Maybe RdM also sees him as cover for Hutton at RB; a position we are weak in.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Concrete John on August 10, 2016, 06:35:49 PM: Quote from: Mister E on August 10, 2016, 06:07:30 PM
Quote from: themossman on August 10, 2016, 02:59:50 PM
Re Richards, he also strikes me as the kind of easily led simpleton that could be very susceptible to either good or bad influences in the dressing room. So maybe RDM is happy that with a few more good eggs around the place he can be brought back in line.
Maybe RdM also sees him as cover for Hutton at RB; a position we are weak in.

If he's got his head screwed on right Richards is a much better RB than Hutton, so likely RDM wants it the other way round.

I just don't think he has got his head right or ever will for us, so happier to see the back of him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on August 10, 2016, 06:39:26 PM: Quote from: themossman on August 10, 2016, 02:46:52 PM
Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on August 10, 2016, 02:05:21 PM
Quote from: VillaAlways on August 10, 2016, 11:59:00 AM
Pat Murphy:-

Understand Lescott & Agbonlahor r part of the @AVFCOfficial exit strategy,announced soon. Bit complicated at mo.But Richards in RDM's plans.

JFC. What on earth has Richards got to do to be kicked out the door ?

Makes my blood boil the lump of useless shite

I hate Richards, I really do. But of those 3 he's the only one where you can say there's a footballer hiding in there.

I've seen Gabby do good things over the years, I've seen Lescott do very minimal good things last season.

All i've seen Richards do in the shirt is be a gigantic c*** with the worst positional sense known to humanity.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on August 10, 2016, 06:40:13 PM: Quote from: Ron Manager on August 10, 2016, 05:58:07 PM
Unusually we are all in agreement re Jedinak. We want him in and very soon!

Are we ?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Gareth on August 10, 2016, 07:24:29 PM: Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on August 10, 2016, 06:06:13 PM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on August 10, 2016, 06:04:42 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on August 10, 2016, 05:59:50 PM
Diawara has turned us down, apparently. He's on strike until he gets the move he wants - and it isn't us.

not the attitude we want anyway

No, though I said that about Benteke when he sulked his way to a move from Ghent.

Don't remember too much condemnation for Ayew doing the same to L'Orient last summer.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: themossman on August 10, 2016, 07:25:31 PM: Quote from: Concrete John on August 10, 2016, 06:35:49 PM
Quote from: Mister E on August 10, 2016, 06:07:30 PM
Quote from: themossman on August 10, 2016, 02:59:50 PM
Re Richards, he also strikes me as the kind of easily led simpleton that could be very susceptible to either good or bad influences in the dressing room. So maybe RDM is happy that with a few more good eggs around the place he can be brought back in line.
Maybe RdM also sees him as cover for Hutton at RB; a position we are weak in.

If he's got his head screwed on right Richards is a much better RB than Hutton, so likely RDM wants it the other way round.

I just don't think he has got his head right or ever will for us, so happier to see the back of him.

Haha cover for Hutton that is like ritual humiliation. I like it.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: themossman on August 10, 2016, 07:28:24 PM: Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on August 10, 2016, 06:39:26 PM
Quote from: themossman on August 10, 2016, 02:46:52 PM
Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on August 10, 2016, 02:05:21 PM
Quote from: VillaAlways on August 10, 2016, 11:59:00 AM
Pat Murphy:-

Understand Lescott & Agbonlahor r part of the @AVFCOfficial exit strategy,announced soon. Bit complicated at mo.But Richards in RDM's plans.

JFC. What on earth has Richards got to do to be kicked out the door ?

Makes my blood boil the lump of useless shite

I hate Richards, I really do. But of those 3 he's the only one where you can say there's a footballer hiding in there.

I've seen Gabby do good things over the years, I've seen Lescott do very minimal good things last season.

All i've seen Richards do in the shirt is be a gigantic c*** with the worst positional sense known to humanity.

Lescott was a good player but has clearly had it. Gabby has never been a footballer and he certainly isn't going to be one now. Richards has shown in the past (granted not for us) that he's capable of being a very good full back and he's barely 28.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on August 10, 2016, 07:57:42 PM: Including the loans, I make it 14 players out, that's without Veretout, Agbonlahor or Lescott gone yet, only 4 in. Midfield is really weak. Lots of work yet to be done. I hope we are involved in the transfer market right up to the deadline.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on August 10, 2016, 08:41:15 PM: Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on August 10, 2016, 04:57:45 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on August 10, 2016, 04:02:56 PM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on August 10, 2016, 03:53:37 PM
We had too many foreign prospects like Gana and Vertout last year. This season I'd prefer we stick to players like Jedinak.

An Aussie

I never said he was British. What I meant was players that are more of a known quantity regards English football. I love the excitement of a signing from a foreign league as much as the next person, but we have to rebuild in a lot of positions and need players that can hit the ground running in the key positions. Elphick, and McCormack type signings. Jedinak has captained Crystal Palace out of this division and done pretty well since getting into the Premier League also. Better him in central midfield than an €18m punt on a 19 year old that has been playing in Serie A.

Isn't that the sort of view that leads to a club signing Grant Holt (off the back of 15 Premier League goals don't forget) rather than Benteke, or sticking with Andy King over "one season outside lower league French football's" N'Golo Kante?

Out of curiosity, do you think (and I'm not saying that you shouldn't if you do) that we should be playing Bunn or Steer over Gollini? They're both older and both have extensive experience of the league that we're playing in. It's a key position and we want them to hit the ground running, so surely Gollini should be third in line?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Rudy65 on August 10, 2016, 08:45:22 PM: Quote from: Dave on August 10, 2016, 08:41:15 PM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on August 10, 2016, 04:57:45 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on August 10, 2016, 04:02:56 PM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on August 10, 2016, 03:53:37 PM
We had too many foreign prospects like Gana and Vertout last year. This season I'd prefer we stick to players like Jedinak.

An Aussie

I never said he was British. What I meant was players that are more of a known quantity regards English football. I love the excitement of a signing from a foreign league as much as the next person, but we have to rebuild in a lot of positions and need players that can hit the ground running in the key positions. Elphick, and McCormack type signings. Jedinak has captained Crystal Palace out of this division and done pretty well since getting into the Premier League also. Better him in central midfield than an €18m punt on a 19 year old that has been playing in Serie A.

Isn't that the sort of view that leads to a club signing Grant Holt (off the back of 15 Premier League goals don't forget) rather than Benteke, or sticking with Andy King over "one season outside lower league French football's" N'Golo Kante?

Out of curiosity, do you think (and I'm not saying that you shouldn't if you do) that we should be playing Bunn or Steer over Gollini? They're both older and both have extensive experience of the league that we're playing in. It's a key position and we want them to hit the ground running, so surely Gollini should be third in line?

I think Ashton means we want to sign some expereince at championship level and include a msaller mixture of foreign players compared to last year. i agree
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Rudy65 on August 10, 2016, 08:47:59 PM: Quote from: Villa in Denmark on August 10, 2016, 03:19:15 PM
A few days ago Rafael van der Vaart was mentioned as potentially our meltdown signing. He's just become FC Midtjylland's meltdown signing.

He is past it. Glad we missed out
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on August 10, 2016, 08:57:21 PM: Quote from: Rudy65 on August 10, 2016, 08:45:22 PM
Quote from: Dave on August 10, 2016, 08:41:15 PM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on August 10, 2016, 04:57:45 PM
Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on August 10, 2016, 04:02:56 PM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on August 10, 2016, 03:53:37 PM
We had too many foreign prospects like Gana and Vertout last year. This season I'd prefer we stick to players like Jedinak.

An Aussie

I never said he was British. What I meant was players that are more of a known quantity regards English football. I love the excitement of a signing from a foreign league as much as the next person, but we have to rebuild in a lot of positions and need players that can hit the ground running in the key positions. Elphick, and McCormack type signings. Jedinak has captained Crystal Palace out of this division and done pretty well since getting into the Premier League also. Better him in central midfield than an €18m punt on a 19 year old that has been playing in Serie A.

Isn't that the sort of view that leads to a club signing Grant Holt (off the back of 15 Premier League goals don't forget) rather than Benteke, or sticking with Andy King over "one season outside lower league French football's" N'Golo Kante?

Out of curiosity, do you think (and I'm not saying that you shouldn't if you do) that we should be playing Bunn or Steer over Gollini? They're both older and both have extensive experience of the league that we're playing in. It's a key position and we want them to hit the ground running, so surely Gollini should be third in line?

I think Ashton means we want to sign some expereince at championship level and include a msaller mixture of foreign players compared to last year. i agree

So far, we've signed four players - two from Championship clubs, one who spend the last few years of his career in the Championship and captaining his team to the title, and one from that weird "abroad" place where they play a difference type of football to the type that we need in order to beat Rotherham.

So I think that if there is a very good player from abroad, who we want to sign and wants to join us (not that this chap does, it would appear) it might be better to not panic just because he's spent the last five years being not good quite enough to play at a higher level than the Championship.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: phantom limb on August 10, 2016, 09:05:27 PM: I think one of the most important signings we could make is a good sports psychologist. Some of these players have ability but are absolutely devoid of self belief and confidence, and don't seem to be able to cope with even the slightest setback during a game. They just completely go to pieces.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on August 10, 2016, 09:25:40 PM: We've sacrificed the midfield in two games. Desperately need somebody in there to shield the back four.

Obvious as the nose on your face that we need a centre half and a right back to help Elphick out.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 10, 2016, 09:31:58 PM: First two games have shown we've down nowhere near enough business and very naive by the management to think some of the mainstays of last year would magically turn into world beaters.

I'm not on about the ones RDM is wanting rid of...but rather the ones he rates....Hutton, Bacuna and Westwood. Richards potentially aswell.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 10, 2016, 09:32:36 PM: Desperate for 2 really decent hard strong midfielders.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 10, 2016, 09:34:35 PM: Jedinak is a must.

If we're seemingly bidding 12m for 19 year old midfielders from Seria A we can stretch to 3-4m for him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 10, 2016, 09:38:45 PM: Jedinak, Chester... someone like Barry would be great. The difference in mentality with Elphick at the weekend was massive. We need much much more of it.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 10, 2016, 09:48:01 PM: The defence will be better with Elphick in it. The attack might be fine when McCormack is up to speed.

We desperately need reinforcements in midfield though. Westwood is nowhere near good enough and Gardner had me pining for him tonight. Tshibola wasn't too bad, in fairness.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 10, 2016, 09:48:19 PM: I think we have a nucleus of players who really must never play for us again.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on August 10, 2016, 09:50:07 PM: It's unbelievable the difference Elphick made on the weekend.

Everybody knows it and has been saying it, but I'll echo it; we need leaders in the midfield.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Richard E on August 10, 2016, 09:51:41 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 10, 2016, 09:48:19 PM
I think we have a nucleus of players who really must never play for us again.

Just the 18 or so of them.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: MonsXI on August 10, 2016, 09:53:48 PM: Tony get the chequebook open and get us players with desire and fight.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 10, 2016, 09:53:54 PM: Signing mentally strong players is absolutely critical.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: themossman on August 10, 2016, 10:04:35 PM: Fuck that 19 year old. We will ruin any player like that we buy until were fixed. We need 5-6 30 year olds with unquestionable attitudes and some bottle right down the middle of the team and we need to pay what we need to get them before we even think about a strategy beyond not vanishing into the abyss in the next 2 seasons.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: LukeJames on August 10, 2016, 10:05:12 PM: Absolutely, Jedinak is a must now! When we conceeded today we had as good as lost at that point and there was still 55 minutes to play.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brontebilly on August 10, 2016, 10:05:33 PM: Quote from: themossman on August 10, 2016, 02:46:52 PM
Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on August 10, 2016, 02:05:21 PM
Quote from: VillaAlways on August 10, 2016, 11:59:00 AM
Pat Murphy:-

Understand Lescott & Agbonlahor r part of the @AVFCOfficial exit strategy,announced soon. Bit complicated at mo.But Richards in RDM's plans.

JFC. What on earth has Richards got to do to be kicked out the door ?

Makes my blood boil the lump of useless shite

I hate Richards, I really do. But of those 3 he's the only one where you can say there's a footballer hiding in there.

lets hope that myth has been put well and truly to bed tonight
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 10, 2016, 10:06:22 PM: Jedinak must be signed.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: themossman on August 10, 2016, 10:08:25 PM: It's not a myth. He is still a good full back with a terrible attitude. Nothing changed tonight except confirming that point 1 will probably never outweigh point 2 again. A small crumb of comfort if it means RDM abandons plans to try and rehabilitate him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 10, 2016, 10:10:09 PM: Quote from: themossman on August 10, 2016, 10:08:25 PM
It's not a myth. He is still a good full back with a terrible attitude. Nothing changed tonight except confirming that point 1 will probably never outweigh point 2 again. A small crumb of comfort if it means RDM abandons plans to try and rehabilitate him.

I mean he's not. He's positionally the worst player I've seen. He was playing full back in the first half, but he thought he should be more of a striker.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: CT Villan on August 10, 2016, 10:12:17 PM: I hope Jedinak didn't watch that - it wasn't the most convincing commercial for joining us.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: dave shelley on August 10, 2016, 10:13:24 PM: Quote from: CT Villan on August 10, 2016, 10:12:17 PM
I hope Jedinak didn't watch that - it wasn't the most convincing commercial for joining us.

That applies to any player pondering an offer from us.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: themossman on August 10, 2016, 10:15:16 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 10, 2016, 10:10:09 PM
Quote from: themossman on August 10, 2016, 10:08:25 PM
It's not a myth. He is still a good full back with a terrible attitude. Nothing changed tonight except confirming that point 1 will probably never outweigh point 2 again. A small crumb of comfort if it means RDM abandons plans to try and rehabilitate him.

I mean he's not. He's positionally the worst player I've seen. He was playing full back in the first half, but he thought he should be more of a striker.

Jesus let's not argue about this hey. I'm agreeing he is done. He is done because he has a poor attitude that means he won't follow instructions and maintain his discipline in games and he thinks he is too big for us so his development is fatally stunted. However he was a pretty good defender for man city and the youngest capped England defender so it's not unreasonable to suggest he has some innate ability.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 10, 2016, 10:19:59 PM: Leaders. We need more leaders. More like Elphick. From about the 20th minute I did not see Gardner once, yet they picked through our midfield with a single pass. No positional sense, or responsibility.

2 strong, experienced, willing central midfielders asap.

If playing 4-4-2, wide men that will cover the full back. Basic!

A striker with movement.

And for fucks sake a centre half and a right back. Gunter for 1.1m at right back looks too good to be true. Get him. Jedinak - just do what it takes! Get him!
Flamini is without a club - would be better value than a 19 year old at the moment. Bridcutt would do a better job. Chester would be a great signing.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on August 10, 2016, 10:39:29 PM: There are some players out there without clubs who would do well at Villa. Hibbert, Flamini for starters. The longer this goes on the worse things will get as we only have shit to rely on. That phone needs to be really hot tomorrow, making call after call about players.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 10, 2016, 10:46:06 PM: I was actually angry when I saw that twat had been named captain. I hope he never plays for us again, never have I hated a Villa player so much.

That side will look much better with Elphick back in it. We need McCormack fit, and we need Jedinak or similar to sort out the gutlessness in the centre of the park.

On this evidence I prefer Cissokho to Amavi who appears to be a bit rubbish at defending.

Bunn and Gestede need selling.

Not a happy bunny.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brontebilly on August 10, 2016, 10:53:02 PM: Bridcutt and Hibbert are awful players, lets not be too hasty

Flamini as a leader in midfield would be great, he was starting for Arsenal in champions league games last season

But Jedinak would be ideal, we desperately need some nasty physical power in there
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on August 10, 2016, 11:50:04 PM: Quote from: brontebilly on August 10, 2016, 10:53:02 PM
Bridcutt and Hibbert are awful players, lets not be too hasty

Flamini as a leader in midfield would be great, he was starting for Arsenal in champions league games last season

But Jedinak would be ideal, we desperately need some nasty physical power in there

The key thing is they are players who try and also had nothing to do with villa last season so fresh. Lower league players just have to have good application and team ethic and yes hard nuts like jedinak and ledley and bridcutt would be good job .

No more players who have been involved with man city or I mean likes of players he moved there for the money too many aren't achieving anything .
These types of football are a plague and parasite don't want them. Boldy big timers who aren't passionate
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cyrilina on August 11, 2016, 12:44:40 AM: Wolves have gone and spent £20m and got themselves 22-year-old Benfica forward Anderson Talisca....
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 11, 2016, 05:27:23 AM: and we have Rudy, the man Lott turned to stone!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on August 11, 2016, 05:47:49 AM: Rudy has just finished ambling back to the centre circle awaiting the kick off after going 3-1 down.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villafirst on August 11, 2016, 05:59:00 AM: The next 3 weeks of his Transfer window are so important. What's happen to the 3 bids and 2 loan deals? I've said for weeks now that things have moved too slowly. Leaders and players with character and commitment are vital, even if it means paying over the odds. I really fear for this season as we're likely going to repeat what happened to Wolves with double relegation.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on August 11, 2016, 06:12:32 AM: Fools to have thought this group of losers would do anything other than lose. We needed a real clear out, yes something like 12 out 10 in. That's the only way to deal with the chronic problems we have. Instead we've re-evaluated the players that have been given numerous chances to prove themselves and always proven themselves to be shit losers and now we've started the season with back to back defeats, another stupid record broken, another lower league defeat and the pressure is well and truely ramped up, meanwhile we start another game in a couple of days time with a group of players who haven't won for half a year, who have proven they can't handle pressure to any degree.

In other words, we are still a shambles and approached this wrong, the majority of the players needed in before the kick off, not as a reactionary to more defeats.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt C on August 11, 2016, 06:34:00 AM: Big three weeks ahead; more to do than I feared.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: OzVilla on August 11, 2016, 06:42:06 AM: It really wasn't rocket science to work out that we needed a complete overhaul - I'm sure if the Club could of got rid of Gabby, Richards, Bacuna, Lescott, Cissoko, Hutton etc they gladly would of. But these fuckers are so bad and on such good terms that no one, absolutely no one, will touch them right now - so were stuck with them. I despise them all!

The utter shambles of the Lerner years will take a long time to fix and here is symptom A. I'm sick of losing, in fact not just losing but surrendering in games. We all say it has to stop now, but it won't, not while there fuckwits are still stinking the place out.

I've no idea what we do, you just can't carry a bomb squad on Championship revenues so in short we're fucked.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 11, 2016, 06:55:44 AM: you're right - a succession of different managers and coaches have all failed to get a tune out of the usual suspects. Someone, somewhere might be mad enough to go for Richards, Okore and possibly Baker. As for the rest? The only real solution is to negotiate settlements to fuck off but that's not going to happen.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: robbo1874 on August 11, 2016, 08:55:45 AM: If the money is there, bring in around 5 or 6 new signings. If not, we have to be looking at loan deals for a good quality right back, centre back and a couple of midfielders and maybe another striker. We need to minimise the number of players from last season who pollute our starting XI this season. Anybody can see that. The stench of failure still pervades unfortunately.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on August 11, 2016, 08:58:11 AM: We need Elphick of the midfield flavour. A moon barking loon who can bleed for the cause and a leader. We need that solidity to help the defence, the full backs in particular and push the ball into some obviously talented players.

If that's Jedinak the fine, but whoever it is, panic buy that player today.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: robbo1874 on August 11, 2016, 09:02:56 AM: Aside from the issue of a lack of quality, we've clearly got a confidence issue that is causing us just as many, if not more problems. There is still a few weeks to go before the window closes. Villa need to sort their shit out before the end of the month, or we'll be staying in Chumps league next season. I trust the supporters will get behind the team in the first two home matches, but if we don't make another 4 or 5 changes then I don't think the fans will be as patient this season as they have in the last 2 or 3.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 11, 2016, 09:06:58 AM: that's probably the understatement of the year. And unless we get our shit together soon, there's a possibility of only having one season in the chumps before tackling the division below. One win in six months tells you so.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: robbo1874 on August 11, 2016, 09:11:29 AM: Just trying to look at it objectively mate
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on August 11, 2016, 09:15:29 AM: Agree with you Ads. Problem is you need strong management to weather the shit storm of righteous indignation if you bring in a fixer with baggage, Joey Barton being an example. I was and remain an unapologetic Pearson fan. I could accept his horribleness because I believed he would not have allowed the perpetuation of wimpishness we are still seeing in the team. I am deadly serious when I say we need the football equivalent of the Hanson brothers in Slapshot.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 11, 2016, 09:19:47 AM: Good feeling gone. I now think we need a new left back, right back and central defender as well as a midfield battler, winger and another striker. Six players in by the end of the month isn't likely.

Priority is a Jedinak or similar n the centre of the park.

Defence looks better with Elphick, but concerned wjat happens if he gets injured and we end up with that wanker Richards in defence. Baker and Okore are OK alongside Elphick but with each other or Richards they turn to shit. Like the look of Chester.

Amavi is not good enough, I actually rate Cissokho higher. We need a new left back.

I thought Hutton would be OK at this level, but was clearly wrong. Need a new right back.

Gestede is not going to come good, and tbh I don't rate Ayew (would sell if we got a good offer), need a good partner for RM.

Also need another Keeper, Bunn not good enough for cover and don't want to risk Gollini getting injured and being stuck with him in goal all season.

Still if we do sign Jedinak, Hernandez and Chester we are a long way to being more competitive.

Oh and ffs get rid of Richards.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on August 11, 2016, 09:21:09 AM: I don't think they're wimps. I think Richards, Okore, Hutton as three from the "defence" as just poor players, whose desperate lack of quality is amplified by a severe confidence crisis.

Luton are utter shite, but they're on a bit of an upward curve, so they've got a bit of mental strength in the memory bank to fall back on.

Put it this way, if we go a goal down at Derby on the 20th, we'll have a much better chance of getting back into the game with players like Elphick, McCormack and genuine captains like them in the side, but an even better chance if the players can look back at six points from Rotherham and Huddersfield.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: john e on August 11, 2016, 09:26:58 AM: I think if we could move this long list of players on and get rid we would,
but it's just impossible ,
no one wants them they are all on to much money we would just have 6 or 7 Nzogbia's sitting around taking the money and tweeting their latest fashion purchases

there's no easy answer to this problem, just using the words 'purge' and 'clear out' means nothing unless Tony can back it up with millions of pounds to release the players and millions more to replace them all in the next 3 weeks

No chance
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: in exile on August 11, 2016, 09:28:03 AM: From Sky Sports Transfer Centre -
Aston Villa have made an approach for out-of-favour West Brom defender James Chester, according to the Express & Star.
Middlesbrough are also in the hunt for the 27-year-old Wales international after their move for Hull City defender Harry Maguire collapsed.

Chester, who cost Albion £8m last summer, is the Baggies’ most-expensive defender, but he has struggled to play in his preferred position under Tony Pulis.
Despite this, Pulis is not thought to be keen on selling the versatile player unless a replacement can be brought to The Hawthorns
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on August 11, 2016, 09:29:02 AM: If he has two legs then he is already better than Richards.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: darren woolley on August 11, 2016, 09:43:05 AM: Sign him up now.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 11, 2016, 09:45:53 AM: Quote from: in exile on August 11, 2016, 09:28:03 AM
From Sky Sports Transfer Centre -
Aston Villa have made an approach for out-of-favour West Brom defender James Chester, according to the Express & Star.
Middlesbrough are also in the hunt for the 27-year-old Wales international after their move for Hull City defender Harry Maguire collapsed.

Chester, who cost Albion £8m last summer, is the Baggies’ most-expensive defender, but he has struggled to play in his preferred position under Tony Pulis.
Despite this, Pulis is not thought to be keen on selling the versatile player unless a replacement can be brought to The Hawthorns

Good!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on August 11, 2016, 09:47:50 AM: Can play right back as well can't he?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: rob_bridge on August 11, 2016, 10:18:55 AM: Quote from: Ads on August 11, 2016, 09:29:02 AM
If he has two legs then he is already better than Richards.

I dunno if needs that to be fair. I saw that Richard Whitehead at the Olympic Park a couple of weeks back and I think he'd be better than Richards.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Bottom Right 89 on August 11, 2016, 10:40:28 AM: If there was a day for the club to make a marquee signing please let it be today. James Chester doesn't really inspire me.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Richard E on August 11, 2016, 10:41:30 AM: Quote from: Ads on August 11, 2016, 09:47:50 AM
Can play right back as well can't he?

Clone him and play him in both positions at once.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sid1964 on August 11, 2016, 10:47:41 AM: I hope that on Saturday neither Richards or Hutton are our right back

Surely we must have an under 21 player who could play there?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 11, 2016, 10:49:37 AM: i thought Lyden looked pretty good there against Cambridge. Certainly couldn't be any worse than the current applicants.
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Post by: Bottom Right 89 on August 11, 2016, 10:51:26 AM: Quote from: sid1964 on August 11, 2016, 10:47:41 AM
I hope that on Saturday neither Richards or Hutton are our right back

Surely we must have an under 21 player who could play there?
Easah Sulliman impressed me in preseason but I think he's gone out on loan.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on August 11, 2016, 10:55:30 AM: I have a suspicion we'll have to wait until the final week of the window where loan options are more readily available before getting any more defenders in.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on August 11, 2016, 10:57:54 AM: Quote from: Bottom Right 89 on August 11, 2016, 10:51:26 AM
Quote from: sid1964 on August 11, 2016, 10:47:41 AM
I hope that on Saturday neither Richards or Hutton are our right back

Surely we must have an under 21 player who could play there?
Easah Sulliman impressed me in preseason but I think he's gone out on loan.

He's here in 'Nam
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on August 11, 2016, 11:03:08 AM: Unless we're linked with right backs, central defenders or midfield generals i'm no longer listening ;)
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Post by: Villafirst on August 11, 2016, 11:26:29 AM: I see Benteke is likely to sign for Palace for a fee in excess of £30M. Just shows how far Villa have fallen and the general perception is that we're now a laughing stock. The summer break gave us a bit of a break, but the horrors of last season in particular are returning and even worsening. Dr Xia simply has to spend big to halt this continual slide into the abyss.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on August 11, 2016, 11:28:41 AM: Quote from: Villafirst on August 11, 2016, 11:26:29 AM
I see Benteke is likely to sign for Palace for a fee in excess of £30M. Just shows how far Villa have fallen and the general perception is that we're now a laughing stock

How does Benteke signing for Palace show how far we've fallen ?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Richard E on August 11, 2016, 11:29:54 AM: Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on August 11, 2016, 11:28:41 AM
Quote from: Villafirst on August 11, 2016, 11:26:29 AM
I see Benteke is likely to sign for Palace for a fee in excess of £30M. Just shows how far Villa have fallen and the general perception is that we're now a laughing stock

How does Benteke signing for Palace show how far we've fallen ?

If anything it shows how far HE has fallen!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on August 11, 2016, 11:34:53 AM: Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on August 11, 2016, 11:28:41 AM
Quote from: Villafirst on August 11, 2016, 11:26:29 AM
I see Benteke is likely to sign for Palace for a fee in excess of £30M. Just shows how far Villa have fallen and the general perception is that we're now a laughing stock

How does Benteke signing for Palace show how far we've fallen ?

Yep, one of the more odd posts on here.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Gareth on August 11, 2016, 11:34:53 AM: Last night showed again that we have a complete lack of competent defenders in the club, by that I mean defenders who can actually defend and midfielders who know how to screen, tackle & position themselves as part of the defensive unit. I'd go as far as to say Elphick is the only one who meets either criteria! As much as I despise Pulis & his tactics there maybe justification in the four centre halves across the back whose first instinct is to sit in not bomb forward because they saw Roberto Carlos do it on Tv once.

We must sign 2 defensive midfielders, a right back, another centre back & unfortunately a left back as there is no telling how long Amavi will take to get up to speed....

....that's before a creative midfielder or striker!

Yikes!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villafirst on August 11, 2016, 11:40:34 AM: Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on August 11, 2016, 11:28:41 AM
Quote from: Villafirst on August 11, 2016, 11:26:29 AM
I see Benteke is likely to sign for Palace for a fee in excess of £30M. Just shows how far Villa have fallen and the general perception is that we're now a laughing stock

How does Benteke signing for Palace show how far we've fallen ?

The fact that Palace are way ahead of Villa and we've no chance of signing the likes of Benteke.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on August 11, 2016, 11:42:46 AM: Quote from: Villafirst on August 11, 2016, 11:40:34 AM
Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on August 11, 2016, 11:28:41 AM
Quote from: Villafirst on August 11, 2016, 11:26:29 AM
I see Benteke is likely to sign for Palace for a fee in excess of £30M. Just shows how far Villa have fallen and the general perception is that we're now a laughing stock

How does Benteke signing for Palace show how far we've fallen ?

The fact that Palace are way ahead of Villa and we've no chance of signing the likes of Benteke.

Bizarre way of looking at it.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: 260475 on August 11, 2016, 11:43:05 AM: The deal Moyes has just done for Love & McNair from Man U looks a bargain. £5.5m for two 21 year old defenders that have been found, screened, trained, honed, have a little first team experience (one even euro '16 too), and need regular games. So we perhaps should be trawling the sock drawers of the mega rich. We can offer them 46 games if they stay fit too.

Before anyone says "45" (as we already played swfc), its 45 plus one FAC game this year.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Des Little on August 11, 2016, 11:46:12 AM: Quote from: Clampy on August 11, 2016, 11:34:53 AM
Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on August 11, 2016, 11:28:41 AM
Quote from: Villafirst on August 11, 2016, 11:26:29 AM
I see Benteke is likely to sign for Palace for a fee in excess of £30M. Just shows how far Villa have fallen and the general perception is that we're now a laughing stock

How does Benteke signing for Palace show how far we've fallen ?

Yep, one of the more odd posts on here.

We don't need Benteke to sign for another Prem team to tell us how far we've fallen. We simply need to look at our performances and results for the past three years. That kind of tells us what shit state we are in.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mattjpa on August 11, 2016, 11:50:09 AM: I forgot about the workplace ridiculing the Villa get me. People had stopped towards the end of last season but today its back with avengence - people coming to my desk, pointing and laughing. I have no option but to join in with them and reel off the last embarrassing records we have broken - lost 15 out of 16, first time weve ever gone out of the LC in the first round, No away win in 369 days.....

When will it end
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on August 11, 2016, 11:57:35 AM: Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on August 11, 2016, 11:28:41 AM
Quote from: Villafirst on August 11, 2016, 11:26:29 AM
I see Benteke is likely to sign for Palace for a fee in excess of £30M. Just shows how far Villa have fallen and the general perception is that we're now a laughing stock

How does Benteke signing for Palace show how far we've fallen ?

I think the fact that Villa are playing Rotherham in the league on Saturday is evidence enough of the club's fall, without considering which ex-Villa players are signing for Palace
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 11, 2016, 12:03:45 PM: I hate loans, but with each passing display of heightened ineptitude, attracting permanent members of staff is going to be very difficult. A few judicious loans from the likes of Chelsea and Man U might not be a bad idea to help us stabilize but again, I suspect those worth having will have more attractive options. What a fucking shit storm this is.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: David_Nab on August 11, 2016, 12:06:48 PM: We will need some loans but those are deals done near end of window so we having to make do for now I suspect
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 11, 2016, 12:28:35 PM: Bid accepted for Chester from us
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: glasses on August 11, 2016, 12:28:39 PM: I don't necessarily think we need to spend huge sums of money, but what we need to do is identify a couple of the right kind of player and just get them, no quibbles/messing. McCormack and Elphick look good signings.

What was evident for me last night, was that when we were on top, every player looked good. If you were to re-watch the first 20 minutes, you'd never think we'd be in any danger of losing, conceding even. Then, the unprofessionalism started kicking in. I likened it to boxing last night. If you hit someone, hard, and their legs begin to wobble you finish the job quickly, you don't wait for them to stabilise themselves. I also recalled when Man Utd were at their best under Ferguson, the amount of times they'd get a goal and quickly follow up with another. They'd get themselves into a proper winning position before even considering taking their foot off the gas.

You could honestly see it coming. We backed off, stopped pressing them, and just created our own problems. I think it comes down to leadership rather than talent or ability. Nobody seems to have that mentality of winning. Elphick seems to be the only 'leader' we have, and we need more.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: David_Nab on August 11, 2016, 12:29:57 PM: James Chester in talks , from Birmingham Mail
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Richard E on August 11, 2016, 12:30:43 PM: Quote from: David_Nab on August 11, 2016, 12:29:57 PM
James Chester in talks , from Birmingham Mail

There's a guy on Twitter who called this a bit earlier. Either his guesswork is good or he has good sources - bearing in mind WM were running with Chester being on his way to Boro this morning.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 11, 2016, 12:36:52 PM: Was excellent at the Euros, and offers versatility across the backline. Would be very happy with an Elphick / Chester combination at the back, but still feel like we'll need another centre-back, with Baker made of glass, Toner not ready and Richards and Okore useless.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on August 11, 2016, 12:40:54 PM: I think a loan for another centre half may be the way to go.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 11, 2016, 12:41:17 PM: I can't see him joining if it's true that Boro have bid as well! Hope he does come as he is a good player at champ level!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on August 11, 2016, 12:44:35 PM: Chester, a loan in for a right back (De Laet seems to have been gently linked all through the summer), and a leader in midfield who isn't too bad on the ball, and I'd feel reasonably optimistic again.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Richard E on August 11, 2016, 12:45:31 PM: Quote from: VinnieChase84 on August 11, 2016, 12:41:17 PM
I can't see him joining if it's true that Boro have bid as well! Hope he does come as he is a good player at champ level!

If he's settled in the Midlands he might not want to uproot his family to the North East.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 11, 2016, 12:47:58 PM: Quote from: Richard E on August 11, 2016, 12:45:31 PM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on August 11, 2016, 12:41:17 PM
I can't see him joining if it's true that Boro have bid as well! Hope he does come as he is a good player at champ level!

If he's settled in the Midlands he might not want to uproot his family to the North East.

Hope so. Remember Dublin rejecting Blackburn before joining us as he didnt want to move his kids.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: alan_clarke on August 11, 2016, 12:52:51 PM: Albion fans seething that Pullis wants to sell on Twitter
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Post by: mr underhill on August 11, 2016, 12:54:13 PM: that's cheered me up a bit
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 11, 2016, 12:56:54 PM: Chester would be a good signing, him and Elphick with Baker and Okore as cover would be OK. Baker and Okore are both alright when they have a solid partner they just can't play together or with a turd like Richards.

What we really need though is this midfield general Dr Tony promised.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sid1964 on August 11, 2016, 12:59:18 PM: Lets just hope that we have not overpaid for Chester, and that he does not become Curtis Davies the 2nd
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 11, 2016, 12:59:50 PM: Is Chester a left or right side central defender?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on August 11, 2016, 01:03:04 PM: I wonder if Chester does end up coming that 5-3-2 might be the way to go, just to tighten us up a bit and gain some confidence?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Chris Jameson on August 11, 2016, 01:06:55 PM: I hadn't realised that Paddy Riley character was still at the club. How?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: chrisw1 on August 11, 2016, 01:15:38 PM: I hope they can sort Chester out for Saturday.

This start is what I was afraid of when I said last week that I was a bit dissapointed at the amount of business we had done Clampy (of course they have done McCormack since then which I am very happy with). Whether the squad is too big or not, it is simply not good enough. We cannot afford for a losing streak to set in this season.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 11, 2016, 01:18:35 PM: Apparently he's quick, which is a definite bonus.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on August 11, 2016, 01:19:29 PM: Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on August 11, 2016, 12:59:50 PM
Is Chester a left or right side central defender?

Right sided. Watched him play for Wales for a few years now and rate him. Comfortable on the ball and pretty mobile. More than capable of playing in the Premier League, but hasn'rt featured much at Albion as Pulis followed the MON blueprint of buying a centre half for a lot of money and then immediately trying to convert him into a full back.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on August 11, 2016, 01:26:16 PM: Quote from: chrisw1 on August 11, 2016, 01:15:38 PM
I hope they can sort Chester out for Saturday.

This start is what I was afraid of when I said last week that I was a bit dissapointed at the amount of business we had done Clampy (of course they have done McCormack since then which I am very happy with). Whether the squad is too big or not, it is simply not good enough. We cannot afford for a losing streak to set in this season.

I'm not sure why you added my name your post to be honest.

For me, it probably hasn't been for the lack of trying though. Deals can be complicated and can take time. It's just not as easy buying who you want. I wish it was as simple as that but it's not.

As for the bad start, Roy Keane was bottom with Sunderland very early on but they finished champions I think. It can be done but confidence, mentality and mindset has got to change, whoever you bring in.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: chrisw1 on August 11, 2016, 01:30:11 PM: It was just we were discussing it last week.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Richard E on August 11, 2016, 01:33:47 PM: We made a pretty dire start to the season last time we were at this level. I think it is too early to tell yet how the season will pan out.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: dave shelley on August 11, 2016, 01:36:36 PM: Quote from: Richard E on August 11, 2016, 01:33:47 PM
We made a pretty dire start to the season last time we were at this level. I think it is too early to tell yet how the season will pan out.

Agreed Richard, although at the moment it's very hard to see through the shit we're at present witnessing. I'm keeping the faith though like I've always done.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Hookeysmith on August 11, 2016, 02:15:16 PM: Didn't our Tony state that we would have someone for the mid this week - surely not Middle of defence?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Gareth on August 11, 2016, 02:16:59 PM: Daily Mail saying that we've decided not to let Bennett go to Sheff Wed as we don't want him going rival (!!!)

Wonder if it's more likely that RDM has watched two thoroughly incompetent LB displays this week & thinks Joe couldn't do worse?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on August 11, 2016, 02:31:31 PM: Quote from: Gareth on August 11, 2016, 02:16:59 PM
Daily Mail saying that we've decided not to let Bennett go to Sheff Wed as we don't want him going rival (!!!)

Wonder if it's more likely that RDM has watched two thoroughly incompetent LB displays this week & thinks Joe couldn't do worse?

Well we need to get rid of one of them, we can't realistically continue having 3 ''senior'' left backs, all on decent money, with one never getting a look in even in the matchday squad, it's no good for the finances and Bennett, whatever value he has, if any, will disappear.

There's also the fact he's garbage.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on August 11, 2016, 02:34:48 PM: I cant see that being true, he's nowhere near good enough for the PL but probably too expensive for the 3rd division.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sid1964 on August 11, 2016, 02:55:47 PM: So when they agreed to let Bennett go to Sheff Wed, did not they not realise they were in the same division as us?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: villadelph on August 11, 2016, 02:59:05 PM: Quote from: sid1964 on August 11, 2016, 02:55:47 PM
So when they agreed to let Bennett go to Sheff Wed, did not they not realise they were in the same division as us?

With Richards, Hutton, Cissokho, and Amavi not exactly impressive I wouldn't let him leave either.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on August 11, 2016, 03:06:51 PM: Quote from: villadelph on August 11, 2016, 02:59:05 PM
Quote from: sid1964 on August 11, 2016, 02:55:47 PM
So when they agreed to let Bennett go to Sheff Wed, did not they not realise they were in the same division as us?

With Richards, Hutton, Cissokho, and Amavi not exactly impressive I wouldn't let him leave either.

None of the above are good enough. We've got "up to £50m" to spend so why worry about shit players like these
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on August 11, 2016, 03:07:24 PM: Amavi is a good player. The rest would be better served melting down into glue.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: chrisw1 on August 11, 2016, 03:10:42 PM: Quote from: Chico Hamilton III on August 11, 2016, 03:06:51 PM
Quote from: villadelph on August 11, 2016, 02:59:05 PM
Quote from: sid1964 on August 11, 2016, 02:55:47 PM
So when they agreed to let Bennett go to Sheff Wed, did not they not realise they were in the same division as us?

With Richards, Hutton, Cissokho, and Amavi not exactly impressive I wouldn't let him leave either.

None of the above are good enough. We've got "up to £50m" to spend so why worry about shit players like these
I still hope Amavi will come good. I also think Hutton will be ok if we have to decent center halves alongside him. £50m doesn't go very far in the current market. I suspect Chester will be £8-10m if we get him. But yes, I agree, we need more strength asap.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on August 11, 2016, 03:16:48 PM: How as Amavi gone from our LB wonder kid to shit after just one game back after almost a season out with an horrific injury ;D

Some people
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: themossman on August 11, 2016, 03:25:58 PM: Correct.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on August 11, 2016, 03:27:49 PM: Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on August 11, 2016, 03:16:48 PM

How as Amavi gone from our LB wonder kid to shit after just one game back after almost a season out with an horrific injury ;D

Some people

We haven't seen a lot of him, but from what I have seen he looks suspect defensively and he was caught ball watching for their first goal last night. Might benefit from playing further forward.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: QuintonVilla on August 11, 2016, 03:29:35 PM: "Aston Villa set to sign James Chester, Ritchie De Laet and Mile Jedinak"

Source, The Sun and Twitter, so not the most reliable.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: villadelph on August 11, 2016, 03:29:38 PM: Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on August 11, 2016, 03:16:48 PM

How as Amavi gone from our LB wonder kid to shit after just one game back after almost a season out with an horrific injury ;D

Some people
I don't think anyone is slating Jordan. However, we need a match ready LB now. We can give him another month or two to get fit and compete for a position. We can push him up the field, a la Bacuna, and give him less responsibility on the defensive end.

We look so far off the pace already. We've got to stop the bleeding and I don't care how much is costs. Win fucking games.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on August 11, 2016, 03:29:47 PM: Phil Bardsley for right back he's a passionate so and so can also play left. I also want in some types like Britton a ball player from Swansea. De laet- another steady full back and Andre wisdom. Bring in vdyra who will get goals at this level and Gibson at Everton who like Britton proper footballer and professional who decent on and off field.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on August 11, 2016, 03:35:55 PM: Quote from: QuintonVilla on August 11, 2016, 03:29:35 PM
"Aston Villa set to sign James Chester, Ritchie De Laet and Mile Jedinak"

Source, The Sun and Twitter, so not the most reliable.

As you say, hardly the most reliable sources, but they would be three good signings. Still would need another midfielder and a striker though.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on August 11, 2016, 03:47:28 PM: Quote from: tomd2103 on August 11, 2016, 03:35:55 PM
Quote from: QuintonVilla on August 11, 2016, 03:29:35 PM
"Aston Villa set to sign James Chester, Ritchie De Laet and Mile Jedinak"

Source, The Sun and Twitter, so not the most reliable.

As you say, hardly the most reliable sources, but they would be three good signings. Still would need another midfielder and a striker though.
Those would improve our defence by some way, with Jedinak actually offering some protection in front of the back four. I'd be happy with that. De Laet is pretty adaptable too. Would be good as cover, or to offer some balance and solidity on the right side of defence.
Fingers crossed.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on August 11, 2016, 03:53:41 PM: Quote from: QuintonVilla on August 11, 2016, 03:29:35 PM
"Aston Villa set to sign James Chester, Ritchie De Laet and Mile Jedinak"

Source, The Sun and Twitter, so not the most reliable.

At this level all 3 get the thumbs up from me.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 11, 2016, 03:59:49 PM: Quote from: Ads on August 11, 2016, 03:07:24 PM
Amavi is a good player. The rest would be better served melting down into glue.

that would never stick
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: robbo1874 on August 11, 2016, 04:05:47 PM: Quote from: footyskillz on August 11, 2016, 03:29:47 PM
Phil Bardsley for right back he's a passionate so and so can also play left. I also want in some types like Britton a ball player from Swansea. De laet- another steady full back and Andre wisdom. Bring in vdyra who will get goals at this level and Gibson at Everton who like Britton proper footballer and professional who decent on and off field.
phil Bardsley played for us about 10 yrs ago and wasn't very good then.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on August 11, 2016, 04:09:41 PM: Is Jedinak actually any good?

I thought Bardsley looked a typical Villa full back in his time here, looked fantastic for the first few games then went downhill faster than Franz Klammer.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: maigrait on August 11, 2016, 04:11:10 PM: SOrry if posted elsewhere... James Chester bid accepted?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37049517

Certainly had a good euros...
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: spangley1812 on August 11, 2016, 04:11:48 PM: Quote from: PeterWithe on August 11, 2016, 04:09:41 PM
Is Jedinak actually any good?

isnt it more a question of is he better than Westwood and Gardner ???
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on August 11, 2016, 04:12:09 PM: Quote from: PeterWithe on August 11, 2016, 04:09:41 PM
Is Jedinak actually any good?

I thought Bardsley looked a typical Villa full back in his time here, looked fantastic for the first few games then went downhill faster than Franz Klammer.
Jedinak is good at what he does. He'll put himself about and he'll make his presence felt in midfield. He's easily better than what we have, but I think his attitude as much as anything would make him a good signing. We've not got a single CM that I'd be happy to see starting every game.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on August 11, 2016, 04:14:02 PM: Quote from: PeterWithe on August 11, 2016, 04:09:41 PM
Is Jedinak actually any good?

I thought Bardsley looked a typical Villa full back in his time here, looked fantastic for the first few games then went downhill faster than Franz Klammer.

Palace fans love him, proper leader. Definitely needed in our Mr Whippy soft centre.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 11, 2016, 04:17:04 PM: Anybody know what this left back we've signed from Sheff Wednesday is like?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on August 11, 2016, 04:18:41 PM: Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on August 11, 2016, 04:17:04 PM
Anybody know what this left back we've signed from Sheff Wednesday is like?

He's the final piece in our jigsaw.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 11, 2016, 04:19:40 PM: Jedinak's exactly what we need in the immediate term. I'd even be happy to see Rickie Lambert coming-in if we can't get Hernandez from Hull. Collymore was spot-on last night. It's like watching an Academy Team when Elphick doesn't play. The lack of leadership and intelligence is startling. We need at least 2 more proper, experienced Pros to help Elphick out.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: taylorsworkrate on August 11, 2016, 04:20:04 PM: Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on August 11, 2016, 04:17:04 PM
Anybody know what this left back we've signed from Sheff Wednesday is like?

????????
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: taylorsworkrate on August 11, 2016, 04:20:54 PM: Quote from: RussellC on August 11, 2016, 04:19:40 PM
Jedinak's exactly what we need in the immediate term. I'd even be happy to see Rickie Lambert coming-in if we can't get Hernandez from Hull. Collymore was spot-on last night. It's like watching an Academy Team when Elphick doesn't play. The lack of leadership and intelligence is startling. We need at least 2 more proper, experienced Pros to help Elphick out.

3 years ago for Lambert. Not now
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tuscans on August 11, 2016, 04:23:42 PM: Quote from: taylorsworkrate on August 11, 2016, 04:20:04 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on August 11, 2016, 04:17:04 PM
Anybody know what this left back we've signed from Sheff Wednesday is like?

????????
He's on about Bennett virtually donning the Wednesday strip before we told him, NO!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 11, 2016, 04:38:45 PM: Quote from: PeterWithe on August 11, 2016, 04:09:41 PM
Is Jedinak actually any good?

I thought Bardsley looked a typical Villa full back in his time here, looked fantastic for the first few games then went downhill faster than Franz Klammer.

Jedinak is what we neeed
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: taylorsworkrate on August 11, 2016, 04:42:33 PM: When do we need to sign players by to be eligible for Saturday?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on August 11, 2016, 04:45:27 PM: Quote from: JUAN PABLO on August 11, 2016, 04:38:45 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on August 11, 2016, 04:09:41 PM
Is Jedinak actually any good?

I thought Bardsley looked a typical Villa full back in his time here, looked fantastic for the first few games then went downhill faster than Franz Klammer.

Jedinak is what we neeed

he said 2 days ago he had no intention of leaving palace plus he is 32
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Mister E on August 11, 2016, 04:48:55 PM: Tshibola and Jedinak as the two MF enforcers would work for me
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Richard E on August 11, 2016, 04:52:46 PM: Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on August 11, 2016, 04:45:27 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on August 11, 2016, 04:38:45 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on August 11, 2016, 04:09:41 PM
Is Jedinak actually any good?

I thought Bardsley looked a typical Villa full back in his time here, looked fantastic for the first few games then went downhill faster than Franz Klammer.

Jedinak is what we neeed

he said 2 days ago he had no intention of leaving palace plus he is 32

The quotes were rather more equivocal than that, I think, the gist being that it did not follow automatically that he was leaving just because he was no longer captain.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: OCD on August 11, 2016, 05:00:15 PM: Quote from: maigrait on August 11, 2016, 04:11:10 PM
SOrry if posted elsewhere... James Chester bid accepted?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37049517

Certainly had a good euros...

Going by the opening paragraph, the writer clearly has an agenda.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: taylorsworkrate on August 11, 2016, 05:08:50 PM: My baggies mates were slating Tiny Penis all last year for not playing Chester enough
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: glasses on August 11, 2016, 05:18:19 PM: Quote from: OCD on August 11, 2016, 05:00:15 PM
Quote from: maigrait on August 11, 2016, 04:11:10 PM
SOrry if posted elsewhere... James Chester bid accepted?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37049517

Certainly had a good euros...

Going by the opening paragraph, the writer clearly has an agenda.
Not half
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Des Little on August 11, 2016, 05:18:52 PM: Quote from: taylorsworkrate on August 11, 2016, 05:08:50 PM
My baggies mates were slating Tiny Penis all last year for not playing Chester enough

At this rate, we'll be playing Chester more than them. Twice a season in the league.

I'm here all week
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 11, 2016, 06:16:24 PM: and we could see the headline Chester beats Chester
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on August 11, 2016, 06:32:32 PM: Quote from: maigrait on August 11, 2016, 04:11:10 PM
SOrry if posted elsewhere... James Chester bid accepted?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37049517

Certainly had a good euros...

Chester use to playing in a 3 player back line centre 3. He's a premier league defender schooled at manchester United and under big brucie at hull. Decent enough for this level good solid pro and he's a lovely attacking threat at set plays corners so thats good. 9 million is steep 7 acceptable. I hope we get in a creative player as well as these 3 pros. Forresteri was bid by Derby at 7 mil let's offer 12 million and that would be decent .
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on August 11, 2016, 06:40:26 PM: Chester is quite short for a CH, about 5ft10 give or take. That maybe why Micropenis doesn't seem to rate him as a first choice CH. He's a good player though. He'll definitely standout for us at this level.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on August 11, 2016, 06:52:11 PM: Quote from: supertom on August 11, 2016, 06:40:26 PM
Chester is quite short for a CH, about 5ft10 give or take. That maybe why Micropenis doesn't seem to rate him as a first choice CH. He's a good player though. He'll definitely standout for us at this level.

Indeed super Tom! Chesters decent in air though thibk all in all impressive signing. More of same please. Maybe get on McNamara from baggies too another who signed and never played. He has a grear cup final for Wigan when they best man city as did Chester do well scoring v arsenal early on
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on August 11, 2016, 07:06:06 PM: Quote from: taylorsworkrate on August 11, 2016, 04:20:54 PM
Quote from: RussellC on August 11, 2016, 04:19:40 PM
Jedinak's exactly what we need in the immediate term. I'd even be happy to see Rickie Lambert coming-in if we can't get Hernandez from Hull. Collymore was spot-on last night. It's like watching an Academy Team when Elphick doesn't play. The lack of leadership and intelligence is startling. We need at least 2 more proper, experienced Pros to help Elphick out.

3 years ago for Lambert. Not now

We need a bit of pace and energy up front. I want to see a forward who works hard and is a constant menace to defenders, as well as chipping in with goals. I think there are some players around who can offer that and I would definitely be having a look at Assombalonga at Forest and Nakhi Wells at Huddersfield.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on August 11, 2016, 07:10:54 PM: Quote from: glasses on August 11, 2016, 05:18:19 PM
Quote from: OCD on August 11, 2016, 05:00:15 PM
Quote from: maigrait on August 11, 2016, 04:11:10 PM
SOrry if posted elsewhere... James Chester bid accepted?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37049517

Certainly had a good euros...

Going by the opening paragraph, the writer clearly has an agenda.
Not half

The mention of Radio WM is a clue.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: johnny from donny on August 11, 2016, 07:44:00 PM: Jedinak is at a book launch with the moose from talksport tonight. Doubt that he'll get a comment about coming to us though
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on August 11, 2016, 07:45:43 PM: Chester, Jedinak and December Last would be solid and entirely necessary business.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: themossman on August 11, 2016, 07:49:52 PM: Re jedinak. Apologies if I'm off the pace on this but have we been linked in any meaningful way or is it just a collectively agreed signing that would fit the bill type thing.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 11, 2016, 07:51:59 PM: December Last eh? I don't think he's been the same since Christmas personally

Definitely want a proper no 9 still. De laet, chester, jedinak and a proven mobile centre forward and I'd be happy

Still need to shape them into a team.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: OCD on August 11, 2016, 07:53:45 PM: Quote from: Matt Collins on August 11, 2016, 07:51:59 PM
December Last eh? I don't think he's been the same since Christmas personally

Definitely want a proper no 9 still. De laet, chester, jedinak and a proven mobile centre forward and I'd be happy

Still need to shape them into a team.

I think he wrote De Laet and autocorrect changed it.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 11, 2016, 07:56:19 PM: Quote from: OCD on August 11, 2016, 07:53:45 PM
Quote from: Matt Collins on August 11, 2016, 07:51:59 PM
December Last eh? I don't think he's been the same since Christmas personally

Definitely want a proper no 9 still. De laet, chester, jedinak and a proven mobile centre forward and I'd be happy

Still need to shape them into a team.

I think he wrote De Laet and autocorrect changed it.

I think Ads was saying that if we don't get new players we will be in last place in December
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on August 11, 2016, 08:28:00 PM: Quote from: Ads on August 11, 2016, 07:45:43 PM
Chester, Jedinak and December Last would be solid and entirely necessary business.

Doh!! Predictive bloody text eh? Saving this so you don't edit it!! Lol.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VillaAlways on August 11, 2016, 08:37:40 PM: It's close

Pat Murphy

Could be tonight when James Chester move from @WBA to @AVFCOfficial formalised. Waiting for medical results.Around £7m.No hitch expected.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on August 11, 2016, 08:41:43 PM: Quote from: VillaAlways on August 11, 2016, 08:37:40 PM
It's close

Pat Murphy

Could be tonight when James Chester move from @WBA to @AVFCOfficial formalised. Waiting for medical results.Around £7m.No hitch expected.

Fingers crossed. Good signing for me. Walks right into our starting lineup.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on August 11, 2016, 08:45:03 PM: I fucking hate this cock wobbling auto correct.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Concrete John on August 11, 2016, 08:46:16 PM: Quote from: supertom on August 11, 2016, 08:41:43 PM
Quote from: VillaAlways on August 11, 2016, 08:37:40 PM
It's close

Pat Murphy

Could be tonight when James Chester move from @WBA to @AVFCOfficial formalised. Waiting for medical results.Around £7m.No hitch expected.

Fingers crossed. Good signing for me. Walks right into our starting lineup.

Brian Potter would walk right into our starting line up.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 11, 2016, 08:49:28 PM: Quote from: OCD on August 11, 2016, 05:00:15 PM
Quote from: maigrait on August 11, 2016, 04:11:10 PM
SOrry if posted elsewhere... James Chester bid accepted?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37049517

Certainly had a good euros...

Going by the opening paragraph, the writer clearly has an agenda.

yes bit of a mouth full by the sad individual who wrote it. I am sure in an early article he had written that McCormick was our record signing as well , obviously knows his stuff
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: four fornicholl on August 11, 2016, 08:51:30 PM: Quote from: Concrete John on August 11, 2016, 08:46:16 PM
Quote from: supertom on August 11, 2016, 08:41:43 PM
Quote from: VillaAlways on August 11, 2016, 08:37:40 PM
It's close

Pat Murphy

Could be tonight when James Chester move from @WBA to @AVFCOfficial formalised. Waiting for medical results.Around £7m.No hitch expected.

Fingers crossed. Good signing for me. Walks right into our starting lineup.

Brian Potter would walk right into our starting line up.
How dare you???
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: dave shelley on August 11, 2016, 08:53:32 PM: Quote from: Concrete John on August 11, 2016, 08:46:16 PM
Quote from: supertom on August 11, 2016, 08:41:43 PM
Quote from: VillaAlways on August 11, 2016, 08:37:40 PM
It's close

Pat Murphy

Could be tonight when James Chester move from @WBA to @AVFCOfficial formalised. Waiting for medical results.Around £7m.No hitch expected.

Fingers crossed. Good signing for me. Walks right into our starting lineup.

Brian Potter would walk right into our starting line up.

Douglas Bader would walk into our team at the moment.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: old man villa fan on August 11, 2016, 08:57:28 PM: Quote from: OCD on August 11, 2016, 05:00:15 PM
Quote from: maigrait on August 11, 2016, 04:11:10 PM
SOrry if posted elsewhere... James Chester bid accepted?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37049517

Certainly had a good euros...

Going by the opening paragraph, the writer clearly has an agenda.

Quite. To make the point that we would be paying them more than they paid for him when PL transfer fees have gone through the roof, makes him sound even more of an idiot.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on August 11, 2016, 09:04:26 PM: His agenda seems to be pointing out we're paying more than WBA did, for whom he played very little football. Seems like a good point to make. Also making out we're spending a lots of money and are still really shit.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on August 11, 2016, 09:04:34 PM: Quote from: dave shelley on August 11, 2016, 08:53:32 PM
Quote from: Concrete John on August 11, 2016, 08:46:16 PM
Quote from: supertom on August 11, 2016, 08:41:43 PM
Quote from: VillaAlways on August 11, 2016, 08:37:40 PM
It's close

Pat Murphy

Could be tonight when James Chester move from @WBA to @AVFCOfficial formalised. Waiting for medical results.Around £7m.No hitch expected.

Fingers crossed. Good signing for me. Walks right into our starting lineup.

Brian Potter would walk right into our starting line up.

Douglas Bader would walk into our team at the moment.

Stephen Hawking would....................
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 11, 2016, 09:23:37 PM: Just to be a tad controversial and annoying; has anyone else noticed that our signings are very "moneyball" this summer?

We're signing lots of players that are undervalued by their clubs (loved by the fans) and have characteristics which our squad desperately need, namely leadership and backbone. That Reilly has a lot to answer for!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 11, 2016, 09:30:03 PM: Aston Villa are ready to sell midfielder Ashley Westwood to Burnley as they plot to sign Mile Jedinak from Crystal Palace.

The Sun claim the Midlands giants are set for a major overhaul after losing their opening two matches of the season.

It is said centre-back Chester will join for around £6million from West Brom, right-back De Laet will transfer for £2.5million from Leicester and midfielder Jedinak is on the verge of a switch from Crystal Palace.

The Mirror now report that Villa will fund the arrival of Australia international Jedinak by offloading Westwood to long-term suitors Burnley.

Midlands newspaper The Express and Star claim the former Crewe man is currently earning in the region of £35,000-a-week at Villa Park.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: johnny from donny on August 11, 2016, 09:34:08 PM: Quote from: Newby on August 11, 2016, 08:28:00 PM
Quote from: Ads on August 11, 2016, 07:45:43 PM
Chester, Jedinak and December Last would be solid and entirely necessary business.

Doh!! Predictive bloody text eh? Saving this so you don't edit it!! Lol.

O.k., I'll admit it, I googled December Last in case he was a player I hadn't heard of
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 11, 2016, 09:35:35 PM: Quote from: JUAN PABLO on August 11, 2016, 09:30:03 PM
Aston Villa are ready to sell midfielder Ashley Westwood to Burnley as they plot to sign Mile Jedinak from Crystal Palace.

The Sun claim the Midlands giants are set for a major overhaul after losing their opening two matches of the season.

It is said centre-back Chester will join for around £6million from West Brom, right-back De Laet will transfer for £2.5million from Leicester and midfielder Jedinak is on the verge of a switch from Crystal Palace.

The Mirror now report that Villa will fund the arrival of Australia international Jedinak by offloading Westwood to long-term suitors Burnley.

Midlands newspaper The Express and Star claim the former Crewe man is currently earning in the region of £35,000-a-week at Villa Park.

Would be happy to see him go, though we would need to find another midfielder. If Westwood goes, and Jedinak and Morrison come in then that is fine by me.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on August 11, 2016, 09:37:15 PM: TBAR at it again. Expect Jedinak AND Ledley to sign, both at BMH today undergoing medicals! Oooh, I do hope so.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 11, 2016, 09:38:26 PM: Quote from: Newby on August 11, 2016, 09:37:15 PM
TBAR at it again. Expect Jedinak AND Ledley to sign, both at BMH today undergoing medicals! Oooh, I do hope so.

That, and pointy out the door, would be ace.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on August 11, 2016, 09:41:24 PM: Quote from: Newby on August 11, 2016, 09:37:15 PM
TBAR at it again. Expect Jedinak AND Ledley to sign, both at BMH today undergoing medicals! Oooh, I do hope so.

They said a deal for Danny Ings was done three months ago.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on August 11, 2016, 09:42:17 PM: Quote from: Concrete John on August 11, 2016, 08:46:16 PM
Quote from: supertom on August 11, 2016, 08:41:43 PM
Quote from: VillaAlways on August 11, 2016, 08:37:40 PM
It's close

Pat Murphy

Could be tonight when James Chester move from @WBA to @AVFCOfficial formalised. Waiting for medical results.Around £7m.No hitch expected.

Fingers crossed. Good signing for me. Walks right into our starting lineup.

Brian Potter would walk right into our starting line up.

sweet baby jesus and the orphans
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: dave shelley on August 11, 2016, 09:42:51 PM: Just seen this on Sky Sports transfer centre so there could be legs in the Westwood rumours:

DYCHE: BURNLEY WILL BREAK RECORD

Burnley boss Sean Dyche has admitted the club are likely to break their transfer record before the closure of the window.

"It's likely we'll have to (break our transfer record)," he said. "I think it was Jose Mourinho that said: 'The market has no rules, you either get in it or you don't'. That is the simplest way of putting it.

"There's no governance over it, there's no reason or adjustment like a housing market, you can't predict the transfer market. One deal can ignite a number of different situations."

I think Burnley's record signing is Andre Gray at six million, maybe he's going for six and a half.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: taylorsworkrate on August 11, 2016, 09:43:35 PM: Ledley has a great beard. Not quite as great as Jedinak's, but we do need both to increase the beard ratio at the very least.

Being clean shaven is getting us fucking nowhere
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 11, 2016, 09:46:11 PM: Not much in it but Ledley wins for me.

(https://sportbeardwatch.files.wordpress.com/2016/05/joe-ledley-7.jpg?w=520&h=312)

(http://i4.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article7247781.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/Mile-Jedinak.jpg)
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: paul_e on August 11, 2016, 09:51:37 PM: Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on August 11, 2016, 09:35:35 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on August 11, 2016, 09:30:03 PM
Aston Villa are ready to sell midfielder Ashley Westwood to Burnley as they plot to sign Mile Jedinak from Crystal Palace.

The Sun claim the Midlands giants are set for a major overhaul after losing their opening two matches of the season.

It is said centre-back Chester will join for around £6million from West Brom, right-back De Laet will transfer for £2.5million from Leicester and midfielder Jedinak is on the verge of a switch from Crystal Palace.

The Mirror now report that Villa will fund the arrival of Australia international Jedinak by offloading Westwood to long-term suitors Burnley.

Midlands newspaper The Express and Star claim the former Crewe man is currently earning in the region of £35,000-a-week at Villa Park.

Would be happy to see him go, though we would need to find another midfielder. If Westwood goes, and Jedinak and Morrison come in then that is fine by me.

If, as seems likely, we're looking to move Veretout out we need at least 1 more in sheer numbers so Westwood going as well means at least 2.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Des Little on August 11, 2016, 09:52:23 PM: If Dyche pays £6m for Westwood he's a buffoon. Forget Nicolas Parsons, this would be the sale of the century.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 11, 2016, 09:53:27 PM: He's not been great so far but doesn't gardner = +1 compared to last season?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 11, 2016, 09:54:23 PM: Doesn't mean it's Westwood they are paying that for, just that they expect to break it before the window closes.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: paul_e on August 11, 2016, 09:55:03 PM: Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 11, 2016, 09:53:27 PM
He's not been great so far but doesn't gardner = +1 compared to last season?

Nope, lost sanchez and gana, added tish and gardner so we're even now but Veretout looks to be on his way so we need to replace him and then if this happens we'd need to replace westwood as well.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Hairbandinho on August 11, 2016, 09:57:44 PM: If Westwood goes, and we get Jedinak would someone like Will Hughes be a stupidly insane suggestion?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on August 11, 2016, 10:06:24 PM: Rather keep Westwood for this season. He's ten times the player Gardner is.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on August 11, 2016, 10:07:25 PM: Quote from: Des Little on August 11, 2016, 09:52:23 PM
If Dyche pays £6m for Westwood he's a buffoon. Forget Nicolas Parsons, this would be the sale of the century.

If Dyche pays £6m for Westwood, he should be given a lap of honour at Villa Park during one of the home games.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Man at War on August 11, 2016, 10:09:30 PM: found a quote from Jedinak

Favourite Away Ground?

Villa Park , although i should say Goodison Park as we had 2 wins in 6 months there. I like Villa Park. I didn't realise what a huge structure it was and the field was like a carpet.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: old man villa fan on August 11, 2016, 10:10:29 PM: Quote from: Ads on August 11, 2016, 10:06:24 PM
Rather keep Westwood for this season. He's ten times the player Gardner is.

It would make more financial sense to keep Gardner as a reserve than Westwood. £6m and saving on wages could equal a far more effective player coming in.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Grande Pablo on August 11, 2016, 10:18:16 PM: Quote from: Hairbandinho on August 11, 2016, 09:57:44 PM
If Westwood goes, and we get Jedinak would someone like Will Hughes be a stupidly insane suggestion?

Hughes & / or Hendrick would be wonderful.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sickbeggar on August 11, 2016, 10:29:37 PM: mebbe Westwood will play with jedinak and/or Ledley. Not sure he's the most likely midfielder to get booted out
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: saunders_heroes on August 11, 2016, 10:36:58 PM: Westwood on his bike according to the Mirror. Rejoice!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: LeeB on August 11, 2016, 10:47:20 PM: Quote from: saunders_heroes on August 11, 2016, 10:36:58 PM
Westwood on his bike according to the Mirror. Rejoice!

I rate Dyche, but having a boner for Westwood makes me seriously doubt him. What the fuck is he seeing that I can't?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: saunders_heroes on August 11, 2016, 10:55:53 PM: Quote from: LeeB on August 11, 2016, 10:47:20 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on August 11, 2016, 10:36:58 PM
Westwood on his bike according to the Mirror. Rejoice!

I rate Dyche, but having a boner for Westwood makes me seriously doubt him. What the fuck is he seeing that I can't?

God knows but let's hope he doesn't come to his senses till after he's took him off our hands.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 11, 2016, 10:58:41 PM: Quote from: LeeB on August 11, 2016, 10:47:20 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on August 11, 2016, 10:36:58 PM
Westwood on his bike according to the Mirror. Rejoice!

I rate Dyche, but having a boner for Westwood makes me seriously doubt him. What the fuck is he seeing that I can't?

He already has Lowton, what next? Bennett, Okore and Helenius. That'd be nice.

Westwood is one of those players managers rate higher than fans. Poor mans Carrick. He isn't the worst midfielder on our books,, better than Vertout and Sanchez for starters, but has no particular strengths. If he was a colour it would be beige. Wont be missed.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: chrisw1 on August 11, 2016, 11:00:20 PM: I don't think Westwood is anywhere near as bad as some of you think. There are far greater problem players in the squad than him and he may be useful to us this season.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on August 11, 2016, 11:00:46 PM: Quote from: Clampy on August 11, 2016, 09:41:24 PM
Quote from: Newby on August 11, 2016, 09:37:15 PM
TBAR at it again. Expect Jedinak AND Ledley to sign, both at BMH today undergoing medicals! Oooh, I do hope so.

They said a deal for Danny Ings was done three months ago.

Ha ha, very true. I know I shouldn't, but they are saying that De Laet and Chester medical today, Jedinak and Ledley set for tomorrow. The two strikers coming in are Hernandez and Bamford.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt C on August 11, 2016, 11:01:24 PM: The other thing about Westwood is he's so deeply entrenched in a culture of failure here it might just be best for both parties that he moves.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on August 11, 2016, 11:02:20 PM: Quote from: chrisw1 on August 11, 2016, 11:00:20 PM
I don't think Westwood is anywhere near as bad as some of you think. There are far greater problem players in the squad than him and he may be useful to us this season.

Useful as in makes up the numbers Chris?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: villadelph on August 11, 2016, 11:03:50 PM: He offers nothing. He's a poor mans Cleverley. Can't cover for defenders, can't play dangerous forward passes, can't beat a defender off the dribble, can't score, hasn't paired well with a single CM since he's been here. He can trap a ball and run (aimlessly at that).. that's it.

Bye.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: paul_e on August 11, 2016, 11:05:38 PM: Quote from: chrisw1 on August 11, 2016, 11:00:20 PM
I don't think Westwood is anywhere near as bad as some of you think. There are far greater problem players in the squad than him and he may be useful to us this season.

I agree, I've never really understood the level of dislike for him, he's not brilliant but he is good enough for midtable in the premier league. I think his biggest flaw is that he's not very big and therefore needs someone dominant alongside him, it's not really his fault that the only player who has done that job effectively in his time here was Sylla for a few months. Delph added a lot of energy but was another small midfielder so the 2 of them needed a bruiser with them.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: chrisw1 on August 11, 2016, 11:06:17 PM: Useful as in he has a bit of quality on the ball, keeps possession quite well and has a decent pass. I suspect with good players around him he would do a good job in this division.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KevinEaton on August 11, 2016, 11:06:55 PM: Westwood is a decent footballer but he doesn't fit what we need and will be better off elsewhere. I suspect he will go on to have a decent future.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 11, 2016, 11:08:01 PM: I think we're in the minority, but I agree. I think he will develop at Burnley without the weight of a club the weight/size of Villa on his shoulders.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: danno on August 11, 2016, 11:11:24 PM: Quote from: Matt C on August 11, 2016, 11:01:24 PM
The other thing about Westwood is he's so deeply entrenched in a culture of failure here it might just be best for both parties that he moves.

I read somewhere that with Guzan Clark leaving this summer, with the exception of Agbonlahor Westwood has made the most appearances for us. Something like 120 games.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sickbeggar on August 11, 2016, 11:12:49 PM: Quote from: chrisw1 on August 11, 2016, 11:06:17 PM
Useful as in he has a bit of quality on the ball, keeps possession quite well and has a decent pass. I suspect with good players around him he would do a good job in this division.

yep. Seems daft to get rid when we sign players he could actually compliment. The problem in midfield was never westwood, it was the fact we sold or let go delpth and Cleverley and didn't replace them.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: saunders_heroes on August 11, 2016, 11:14:27 PM: Quote from: danno on August 11, 2016, 11:11:24 PM
Quote from: Matt C on August 11, 2016, 11:01:24 PM
The other thing about Westwood is he's so deeply entrenched in a culture of failure here it might just be best for both parties that he moves.

I read somewhere that with Guzan Clark leaving this summer, with the exception of Agbonlahor Westwood has made the most appearances for us. Something like 120 games.

In any other era I doubt if he'd have made it to double figures in a Villa shirt before the club realised he wasn't good enough and quickly shipped him out.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Chris Jameson on August 11, 2016, 11:24:55 PM: Quote from: Ads on August 11, 2016, 08:45:03 PM
I fucking hate this cock wobbling auto correct.

Are you trying to write Agbonlahor?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 11, 2016, 11:58:15 PM: Could everyone please stop saying Westwood is shit FFS. He's absolutely immense and the focal point of our midfield Mr Dyche. I for one will be gutted to see him go. You are getting a complete steal at £6m. Especially after our owner said nobody would steal from us again. It's practically daylight robbery.

Good luck Ash. You'll be a man amongst boys in the PL.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on August 12, 2016, 12:01:06 AM: Quote from: chrisw1 on August 11, 2016, 11:06:17 PM
Useful as in he has a bit of quality on the ball, keeps possession quite well and has a decent pass. I suspect with good players around him he would do a good job in this division.

Have to disagree Chris. He lacks the mobility and physical attributes to be an effective midfielder in anything but a defensive role in a three man midfield with athletic players around him. He simply can't play in a two man midfield as his weaknesses get exposed. The times he has looked OK for us was the short periods when he was in that defensive role along with Sylla and Delph, and then Cleverley and Delph.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 12, 2016, 12:29:26 AM: Quote from: saunders_heroes on August 11, 2016, 11:14:27 PM
Quote from: danno on August 11, 2016, 11:11:24 PM
Quote from: Matt C on August 11, 2016, 11:01:24 PM
The other thing about Westwood is he's so deeply entrenched in a culture of failure here it might just be best for both parties that he moves.

I read somewhere that with Guzan Clark leaving this summer, with the exception of Agbonlahor Westwood has made the most appearances for us. Something like 120 games.

In any other era I doubt if he'd have made it to double figures in a Villa shirt before the club realised he wasn't good enough and quickly shipped him out.
he has never been good enough, does not tackle, create, score or defend.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: adrenachrome on August 12, 2016, 12:36:06 AM: Quote from: ChicagoLion on August 12, 2016, 12:29:26 AM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on August 11, 2016, 11:14:27 PM
Quote from: danno on August 11, 2016, 11:11:24 PM
Quote from: Matt C on August 11, 2016, 11:01:24 PM
The other thing about Westwood is he's so deeply entrenched in a culture of failure here it might just be best for both parties that he moves.

I read somewhere that with Guzan Clark leaving this summer, with the exception of Agbonlahor Westwood has made the most appearances for us. Something like 120 games.

In any other era I doubt if he'd have made it to double figures in a Villa shirt before the club realised he wasn't good enough and quickly shipped him out.
he has never been good enough, does not tackle, create, score or defend.

What's your point?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on August 12, 2016, 12:36:54 AM: Imagine hearing you are breaking your transfer record, the excitement and anticipation and then finding out you'd bought Ashley Westwood.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 12, 2016, 12:46:41 AM: Quote from: aj2k77 on August 12, 2016, 12:36:54 AM
Imagine hearing you are breaking your transfer record, the excitement and anticipation and then finding out you'd bought Ashley Westwood.

A bit like us when Southgate was our record signing i'd imagine.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: eamonn on August 12, 2016, 01:23:57 AM: Gareth must have been more highly-rated. Younger too and with a stronger nose.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Axl Rose on August 12, 2016, 02:44:40 AM: Quote from: adrenachrome on August 12, 2016, 12:36:06 AM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on August 12, 2016, 12:29:26 AM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on August 11, 2016, 11:14:27 PM
Quote from: danno on August 11, 2016, 11:11:24 PM
Quote from: Matt C on August 11, 2016, 11:01:24 PM
The other thing about Westwood is he's so deeply entrenched in a culture of failure here it might just be best for both parties that he moves.

I read somewhere that with Guzan Clark leaving this summer, with the exception of Agbonlahor Westwood has made the most appearances for us. Something like 120 games.

In any other era I doubt if he'd have made it to double figures in a Villa shirt before the club realised he wasn't good enough and quickly shipped him out.
he has never been good enough, does not tackle, create, score or defend.

What's your point?

He's not very good?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: adrenachrome on August 12, 2016, 02:46:11 AM: Quote from: Axl Rose on August 12, 2016, 02:44:40 AM
Quote from: adrenachrome on August 12, 2016, 12:36:06 AM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on August 12, 2016, 12:29:26 AM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on August 11, 2016, 11:14:27 PM
Quote from: danno on August 11, 2016, 11:11:24 PM
Quote from: Matt C on August 11, 2016, 11:01:24 PM
The other thing about Westwood is he's so deeply entrenched in a culture of failure here it might just be best for both parties that he moves.

I read somewhere that with Guzan Clark leaving this summer, with the exception of Agbonlahor Westwood has made the most appearances for us. Something like 120 games.

In any other era I doubt if he'd have made it to double figures in a Villa shirt before the club realised he wasn't good enough and quickly shipped him out.
he has never been good enough, does not tackle, create, score or defend.

What's your point?

He's not very good?

Well, he is a pointer.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Axl Rose on August 12, 2016, 02:49:46 AM: Quote from: adrenachrome on August 12, 2016, 02:46:11 AM
Quote from: Axl Rose on August 12, 2016, 02:44:40 AM
Quote from: adrenachrome on August 12, 2016, 12:36:06 AM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on August 12, 2016, 12:29:26 AM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on August 11, 2016, 11:14:27 PM
Quote from: danno on August 11, 2016, 11:11:24 PM
Quote from: Matt C on August 11, 2016, 11:01:24 PM
The other thing about Westwood is he's so deeply entrenched in a culture of failure here it might just be best for both parties that he moves.

I read somewhere that with Guzan Clark leaving this summer, with the exception of Agbonlahor Westwood has made the most appearances for us. Something like 120 games.

In any other era I doubt if he'd have made it to double figures in a Villa shirt before the club realised he wasn't good enough and quickly shipped him out.
he has never been good enough, does not tackle, create, score or defend.

What's your point?

He's not very good?

Well, he is a pointer.

Haha. You're right. He'd win gold in pointing if it was an Olympic sport.

He's the worst player I've ever seen at Villa. He's not a c u next Tuesday in the Richards/Obeselahor mould, but time to get rid. I'd accept £6, let alone 6 million.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Nastylee on August 12, 2016, 04:47:26 AM: He's not the worse villa player ever, massively ott.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Axl Rose on August 12, 2016, 07:37:14 AM: Quote from: Nastylee on August 12, 2016, 04:47:26 AM
He's not the worse villa player ever, massively ott.

It's just an opinion, mate.

I think midfield is the most important area of a football team. For years it's been our weak point, and for years we've struggled as a team. And sadly, for years, Westwood has been a mainstay in it.

He offers nothing of note. He isn't strong or quick, doesn't tackle properly, doesn't beat a man. He can barely pass a ball decisively. He has no personality on the pitch, shows no passion, either. I groan every time I see him named in the team. If he's sold, it'll be something to celebrate.

I stand by my point. But that's all it is.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on August 12, 2016, 07:52:07 AM: Quote from: aj2k77 on August 12, 2016, 12:36:54 AM
Imagine hearing you are breaking your transfer record, the excitement and anticipation and then finding out you'd bought Ashley Westwood.

Gray cost them around £9m, so I'd be surprised if we're holding out for that much.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: old man villa fan on August 12, 2016, 07:58:57 AM: Quote from: Axl Rose on August 12, 2016, 07:37:14 AM
Quote from: Nastylee on August 12, 2016, 04:47:26 AM
He's not the worse villa player ever, massively ott.

It's just an opinion, mate.

I think midfield is the most important area of a football team. For years it's been our weak point, and for years we've struggled as a team. And sadly, for years, Westwood has been a mainstay in it.

He offers nothing of note. He isn't strong or quick, doesn't tackle properly, doesn't beat a man. He can barely pass a ball decisively. He has no personality on the pitch, shows no passion, either. I groan every time I see him named in the team. If he's sold, it'll be something to celebrate.

I stand by my point. But that's all it is.

Have to agree with that. In a position where you need to be strong, we are weak. Every time we have brought in a stronger player to play in the middle with Westwood, they end up getting in each others way resulting in no fluidity in the play. Various managers have tried to play him in slightly different positions but he keeps on dropping back deep. Is it because he is more comfortable picking the ball up unmarked and having time on the ball to think. If so, it shows his limitations.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sid1964 on August 12, 2016, 08:00:10 AM: I work by the Villa, I will gladly take Westwood to Burnley today in my car, I wont need a sat nav, as Westwood can point the way!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on August 12, 2016, 08:07:50 AM: Even after watching him for these years I still have no idea what kind of midfielder Westwood is.

I have no doubt he wants to do well and respects the club but in our state we just do not have room for a midfield player who has as little impact on games like Westwood.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 12, 2016, 08:27:17 AM: Westwood the worst EVER player you've seen at villa???!

Leonhardsen, bakke, gudjonsson, djemba djemba

Gary Gardner is worse as well
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on August 12, 2016, 08:33:01 AM: By the way , my early impressions of Wyness are rather good. We seem to be getting our targets and selling players we dont want for decent money.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 12, 2016, 08:39:00 AM: he's our very own Daniel Levy
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Axl Rose on August 12, 2016, 08:40:43 AM: Quote from: Matt Collins on August 12, 2016, 08:27:17 AM
Westwood the worst EVER player you've seen at villa???!

Leonhardsen, bakke, gudjonsson, djemba djemba

Gary Gardner is worse as well

Ha. True, Gardner and Djemba Djemba are bad. But I'd prefer either to Westwood. Djemba Djemba was far more athletic for one. And Gardner has looked decent on loan, and for under 21's.

But, to be fair, you do have a point.

Leonhardson was pretty decent from what I remember in 2002-03. Joey, too.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on August 12, 2016, 08:52:22 AM: Quote from: Matt Collins on August 12, 2016, 08:27:17 AM
Westwood the worst EVER player you've seen at villa???!

Leonhardsen, bakke, gudjonsson, djemba djemba

Gary Gardner is worse as well

Mark Kinsella
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Richard E on August 12, 2016, 08:56:11 AM: Quote from: UK Redsox on August 12, 2016, 08:52:22 AM
Quote from: Matt Collins on August 12, 2016, 08:27:17 AM
Westwood the worst EVER player you've seen at villa???!

Leonhardsen, bakke, gudjonsson, djemba djemba

Gary Gardner is worse as well

Mark Kinsella

Bernie Gallagher (RIP), Steve Sims...
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: MonsXI on August 12, 2016, 09:01:23 AM: Quote from: Dave on August 12, 2016, 07:52:07 AM
Quote from: aj2k77 on August 12, 2016, 12:36:54 AM
Imagine hearing you are breaking your transfer record, the excitement and anticipation and then finding out you'd bought Ashley Westwood.

Gray cost them around £9m, so I'd be surprised if we're holding out for that much.

£6m according to wiki
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on August 12, 2016, 09:11:14 AM: I did not have the courage to post Bernie Gallagher. Just like Gestede, a thoroughly good, likeable bloke who could not play football.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 12, 2016, 09:17:27 AM: im not getting excited until he stretchs that claret and blue shirt and not ours

if we keep players like Westwood , we will never get out of this league , thats why we are in it .

if true the lieks of Jedinek and Ledley might be coming and Chester with pointy going Burnley I will be over the moon as it looks like Hutton can do one too with De Laet coming maybe.

a striker and maybe i can start to enjoy Saturday afternoons again but its seems the managers and board know what and who are the problems .
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on August 12, 2016, 09:22:35 AM: Quote from: MonsXI on August 12, 2016, 09:01:23 AM
Quote from: Dave on August 12, 2016, 07:52:07 AM
Quote from: aj2k77 on August 12, 2016, 12:36:54 AM
Imagine hearing you are breaking your transfer record, the excitement and anticipation and then finding out you'd bought Ashley Westwood.

Gray cost them around £9m, so I'd be surprised if we're holding out for that much.

£6m according to wiki

£6.25m rising to £9.75m according to Brentford - and I reckon it's a pretty safe bet that those extras are going to be linked to things like promotion and scoring lots of goals.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 12, 2016, 09:25:14 AM: (http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/bb411/lemsta007/de%20matteeo_zpsuhiqcjky.jpg) (http://s1204.photobucket.com/user/lemsta007/media/de%20matteeo_zpsuhiqcjky.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: john e on August 12, 2016, 10:05:02 AM: Quote from: Axl Rose on August 12, 2016, 07:37:14 AM
Quote from: Nastylee on August 12, 2016, 04:47:26 AM
He's not the worse villa player ever, massively ott.

It's just an opinion, mate.

I think midfield is the most important area of a football team. For years it's been our weak point, and for years we've struggled as a team. And sadly, for years, Westwood has been a mainstay in it.

He offers nothing of note. He isn't strong or quick, doesn't tackle properly, doesn't beat a man. He can barely pass a ball decisively. He has no personality on the pitch, shows no passion, either. I groan every time I see him named in the team. If he's sold, it'll be something to celebrate.

I stand by my point. But that's all it is.

fair enough it's your opinion and I don't know your age,
but I'm old and could probably name 50-100 players before I got anywhere near to Westwood
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 12, 2016, 10:24:07 AM: Quote from: UK Redsox on August 12, 2016, 08:52:22 AM
Quote from: Matt Collins on August 12, 2016, 08:27:17 AM
Westwood the worst EVER player you've seen at villa???!

Leonhardsen, bakke, gudjonsson, djemba djemba

Gary Gardner is worse as well

Mark Kinsella

Although Kinsella like Westwood, was a good pointer
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ClaretAndBlueBlood on August 12, 2016, 10:25:53 AM: Quote from: john e on August 12, 2016, 10:05:02 AM
Quote from: Axl Rose on August 12, 2016, 07:37:14 AM
Quote from: Nastylee on August 12, 2016, 04:47:26 AM
He's not the worse villa player ever, massively ott.

It's just an opinion, mate.

I think midfield is the most important area of a football team. For years it's been our weak point, and for years we've struggled as a team. And sadly, for years, Westwood has been a mainstay in it.

He offers nothing of note. He isn't strong or quick, doesn't tackle properly, doesn't beat a man. He can barely pass a ball decisively. He has no personality on the pitch, shows no passion, either. I groan every time I see him named in the team. If he's sold, it'll be something to celebrate.

I stand by my point. But that's all it is.

fair enough it's your opinion and I don't know your age,
but I'm old and could probably name 50-100 players before I got anywhere near to Westwood

he's not even the worst player last season
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 12, 2016, 10:29:37 AM: He's just mediocre though.

I really can't see us going on a 5-6 match winning spree with Ashley Westwood as a midfield lynchpin.

Too lightweight without pace alongside him, D*lph leaving and he started getting found out again.

I said before I was amazed earlier this summer when Burnley were rumoured we were rejecting decent bids for him.

It's a good way of balancing the books, selling squad players for decent money. Spurs have been experts at it for years.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on August 12, 2016, 10:35:15 AM: He's the type of player that managers rate more than fans, he keeps the ball moving, is always available for a pass and holds his position. The biggest downfall is his tendency to switch off and not pick up runners behind him or to pick them up but lack the physical strength to impede or slow their run.

I thought he was one of the better players against Weds but I take the point that a lot of them are just infected with the losing mentality.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on August 12, 2016, 10:37:31 AM: Quote from: SoccerHQ on August 12, 2016, 10:29:37 AM
He's just mediocre though.

.

Mediocre? I fail to see why people rate him so highly.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 12, 2016, 10:38:56 AM: Quote from: PeterWithe on August 12, 2016, 10:35:15 AM
He's the type of player that managers rate more than fans, he keeps the ball moving, is always available for a pass and holds his position. The biggest downfall is his tendency to switch off and not pick up runners behind him or to pick them up but lack the physical strength to impede or slow their run.

I thought he was one of the better players against Weds but I take the point that a lot of them are just infected with the losing mentality.

That first sentence is why he plays. We're so bad, he gets in because he's just about functional. Some of our players aren't even that.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oldtimernow on August 12, 2016, 10:45:08 AM: I will be very sad to see CB turn up at the Bitters.

At the end of a traumatic week wouldn't it be nice to enter, may I suggest, a bidding war just to up their price for him?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Virgil Caine on August 12, 2016, 11:02:03 AM: The problem with Westwood is that his confidence to play the quick, decisive pass has been completely shot. I know that we tend to criticise our forwards for a lack of movement but I had noticed that on numerous occasions a forward (Ayew for eg) would make a run into the channel but Westwood would play the safe, percentage (sideways or backwards) ball instead. In addition he was never going to be the midfielder who who bust a gut to make a run into the penalty box and I hope that we can find someone who can score 10-15 goals from midfield as that is what we are lacking, as much as a decent right full back, dominant centre half, creative midfielder, defensive midfielder and a centre forward who can hold the ball up. Plenty of shopping to be done but it looks as though the activity has started.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 12, 2016, 11:05:36 AM: if we let pointy go , do you think we will hold onto Veretout?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 12, 2016, 11:06:51 AM: Quote from: JUAN PABLO on August 12, 2016, 11:05:36 AM
if we let pointy go , do you think we will hold onto Veretout?

Veretout dosen't want to be here.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 12, 2016, 11:21:58 AM: RDM has actually said we're interested in Jedinak now. Hope we get him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: themossman on August 12, 2016, 11:22:49 AM: In and of himself, Westwood isn't a terrible player in the grand scheme of things. The problem is that he is actually now one of our experienced players and we need so much more from those at the moment than he gives us.

The fact that he is not strong, consistent, vocal, disciplined enough and doesn't have enough leadership qualities means he is an ineffective foil for the likes of Tish and Jack. So he is actually having a knock-on effect beyond his own mediocrity, by restricting opportunities for, and stunting the development of, our more talented youngsters.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Chris Jameson on August 12, 2016, 11:25:19 AM: I've never disliked Westwood, he's one of those players that I tend to forget is on the pitch which is a problem when he's a central midfielder. He's clearly limited in his ability but doesn't deserve to be bracketed in with the usual bunch of wasters that have disgraced the great name of Aston Villa in recent seasons. If we can get £6 million for him that would be a great deal and I'd wish him well in achieving mediocrity elsewhere with no hard feelings whatsoever.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 12, 2016, 11:29:10 AM: Quote from: oldtimernow on August 12, 2016, 10:45:08 AM
I will be very sad to see CB turn up at the Bitters.

At the end of a traumatic week wouldn't it be nice to enter, may I suggest, a bidding war just to up their price for him?

Dont think he will go there , i think he thinks he is bigger than them

Quote from: oldtimernow on August 12, 2016, 10:45:08 AM
I will be very sad to see CB turn up at the Bitters.

At the end of a traumatic week wouldn't it be nice to enter, may I suggest, a bidding war just to up their price for him?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: themossman on August 12, 2016, 11:31:30 AM: Agreed Chris, all the above is compounded by where he plays. If you consider he is now effectively required to do what the likes of Petrov/Barry/Milner have done for us in recent years it highlights how ill equipped he is to provide what we need.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on August 12, 2016, 11:58:39 AM: I've got no ill feeling towards Westwood wither. Decent player that's often took the brunt of criticism for our shortfalls to me. That said if we bring in someone better than so be it. I wish him well
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 12, 2016, 12:06:04 PM: Quote from: Chris Jameson on August 12, 2016, 11:25:19 AM
I've never disliked Westwood, he's one of those players that I tend to forget is on the pitch which is a problem when he's a central midfielder. He's clearly limited in his ability but doesn't deserve to be bracketed in with the usual bunch of wasters that have disgraced the great name of Aston Villa in recent seasons. If we can get £6 million for him that would be a great deal and I'd wish him well in achieving mediocrity elsewhere with no hard feelings whatsoever.

Yeah that sums it up for me too. I wouldn't mind him sticking around as 4th choice centre mid, but I'd imagine he will want to play.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: saunders_heroes on August 12, 2016, 12:22:55 PM: Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on August 12, 2016, 11:58:39 AM

I've got no ill feeling towards Westwood wither. Decent player that's often took the brunt of criticism for our shortfalls to me. That said if we bring in someone better than so be it. I wish him well

But Westwood IS one of our shortfalls. The sooner he's sold the better because we'll continue to struggle while he and similar standard players are still on our books.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: papa lazarou on August 12, 2016, 12:27:06 PM: Quote from: Chris Jameson on August 12, 2016, 11:25:19 AM
I've never disliked Westwood, he's one of those players that I tend to forget is on the pitch which is a problem when he's a central midfielder. He's clearly limited in his ability but doesn't deserve to be bracketed in with the usual bunch of wasters that have disgraced the great name of Aston Villa in recent seasons. If we can get £6 million for him that would be a great deal and I'd wish him well in achieving mediocrity elsewhere with no hard feelings whatsoever.

Agree with this also. Hasn't deserved some of the vitriol aimed at him in the past. He was the type that when he arrived he performed okay but you'd have expected him to have improved with experience but he didn't. He was never a goal scoring midfielder either, remember them? Good luck to him but it's no great loss.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: danno on August 12, 2016, 12:30:31 PM: Is there a reason to be so confident Westwood is going ?
All I've seen is a mirror article, and an old daily mail article from May linking him to Burnley.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Grumpy on August 12, 2016, 12:52:51 PM: Happy with Chester. Hoping for Jedinak without losing Westwood tbh (I really don't think he's that bad).

Morrison can do one though.
How can anyone be excited by a guy that was cited at every club he's been at for lack of commitment and/or attitude.
We don't need that shit.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on August 12, 2016, 12:58:01 PM: Quote from: papa lazarou on August 12, 2016, 12:27:06 PM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on August 12, 2016, 11:25:19 AM
I've never disliked Westwood, he's one of those players that I tend to forget is on the pitch which is a problem when he's a central midfielder. He's clearly limited in his ability but doesn't deserve to be bracketed in with the usual bunch of wasters that have disgraced the great name of Aston Villa in recent seasons. If we can get £6 million for him that would be a great deal and I'd wish him well in achieving mediocrity elsewhere with no hard feelings whatsoever.

Agree with this also. Hasn't deserved some of the vitriol aimed at him in the past. He was the type that when he arrived he performed okay but you'd have expected him to have improved with experience but he didn't. He was never a goal scoring midfielder either, remember them? Good luck to him but it's no great loss.

Westwood doesn't strike me as one of the 'big time charlies'. In fact I would guess he has got a good attitude and works hard at his game which is why managers seem to like him. I just think he is lacking certain attributes the good midfielders possess and that a team would have to set up in a very specific way to accommodate him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on August 12, 2016, 01:03:22 PM: Westwood's too lightweight for me and if we are getting the rumoured £6m for him, then we've done bloody well.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tony scott on August 12, 2016, 01:08:50 PM: I don't mind Westwood going as long as the fee we get isn't spent on a 32 year old
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on August 12, 2016, 01:11:45 PM: Quote from: tony scott on August 12, 2016, 01:08:50 PM
I don't mind Westwood going as long as the fee we get isn't spent on a 32 year old

OK.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: manic-road on August 12, 2016, 01:24:22 PM: I don't mind Westwood either and there are plenty of midfielders that should be out of the door before him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 12, 2016, 01:37:01 PM: Quote from: manic-road on August 12, 2016, 01:24:22 PM
I don't mind Westwood either and there are plenty of midfielders that should be out of the door ~~before~~ with him.

Corrected

I don't dislike him, he works hard enough and doesn't moan. He isn't good enough for Villa though, and he like a few other players, needs replacing with better.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: old man villa fan on August 12, 2016, 01:41:18 PM: If we could sell Westwood for £6m and buy a better replacement at £8m, I would say that would be £2m very well spent.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 12, 2016, 01:53:40 PM: (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CppuZujWgAARXyT.png:large)
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 12, 2016, 01:56:26 PM: Still seeing links to De Laet, would be nice to have a new full back for saturday but I guess if he signs eventually its better De Laet than never ::)

It would be nice seeing Hutton back to back up, and being able to get shot of Richards.

Also seeing links to Bamford again today. Scores goals at this level, so would be happy with that.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 12, 2016, 01:58:29 PM: Quote from: old man villa fan on August 12, 2016, 01:41:18 PM
If we could sell Westwood for £6m and buy a better replacement at £8m, I would say that would be £2m very well spent.

I agree. I think there is a good player hidden within Westwood but I do not think he will improve whilst at Villa and therefore a change should suit all parties.

I'd offer £8-10m for Hughes at Derby (i.e. similar to the price Norwich paid spurs to buy Pritchard) and bring in Jedinak. One for now and one for the future.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Chris Jameson on August 12, 2016, 02:03:25 PM: I've just had a look on TBAR for the first time in months. Please don't ever release me on a free transfer to that strange place.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: not3bad on August 12, 2016, 02:03:28 PM: The Bamford bandwagon is gathering pace.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: dave shelley on August 12, 2016, 02:16:40 PM: Quote from: Chris Jameson on August 12, 2016, 02:03:25 PM
I've just had a look on TBAR for the first time in months. Please don't ever release me on a free transfer to that strange place.

I had a peep the other day. It told me my last look was back in February. I think there were either six or eight on there at the time the other day.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 12, 2016, 02:24:20 PM: I've never really seen it with will Hughes, despite the hype

The defensive midfielder they got from Albion looked good tho

Would definitely be ok w bamford - at least he can run like a professional
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 12, 2016, 02:24:26 PM: Quote from: dave shelley on August 12, 2016, 02:16:40 PM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on August 12, 2016, 02:03:25 PM
I've just had a look on TBAR for the first time in months. Please don't ever release me on a free transfer to that strange place.

I had a peep the other day. It told me my last look was back in February. I think there were either six or eight on there at the time the other day.

You probably had to check with another source that we'd won a game.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on August 12, 2016, 02:31:10 PM: Quote from: Matt Collins on August 12, 2016, 02:24:20 PM
The defensive midfielder they got from Albion looked good tho

George Thorne? Looks a useful player but doesn't seem like much of an upgrade on Westwood to me though
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 12, 2016, 02:39:37 PM: Quote from: not3bad on August 12, 2016, 02:03:28 PM
The Bamford bandwagon is gathering pace.

Noticed that myself but I hope they're wrong on that one.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: chrisw1 on August 12, 2016, 02:43:52 PM: Quote from: Chris Jameson on August 12, 2016, 02:03:25 PM
I've just had a look on TBAR for the first time in months. Please don't ever release me on a free transfer to that strange place.

It's all dancing bananas, wavey scarfs and bouncing boobs in there.

Not that I have any objection to bouncing boobs.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 12, 2016, 02:51:53 PM: Westwood is impact-less. The Sheff Wed game perfectly summed him up for me. He did nothing wrong, kept possession neatly, always giving an option for a team-mate, before neatly moving the ball onto another, without really progressing the play at all. But then he had 2 decent shooting opportunities from the edge of the box and failed to hit the target with either.

As others have said, he's far from our worst player, but he's also one that we desperately need to upgrade if we want to get out of this division. If not Jedinak, then I'd be going all out for Hendrick. Ticks almost every box for us, and would weaken a direct rival in the process.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 12, 2016, 02:54:26 PM: We need at minimum 2 more midfielders who are strong characters as much as good players. We need to shed ourselves of this subservient attitude especially in that part of the pitch.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on August 12, 2016, 02:57:58 PM: In your normal, admirable style TV you are saying we need a couple of bastards. I agree.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tuscans on August 12, 2016, 03:10:00 PM: Quote from: Clark W Griswold on August 12, 2016, 02:39:37 PM
Quote from: not3bad on August 12, 2016, 02:03:28 PM
The Bamford bandwagon is gathering pace.

Noticed that myself but I hope they're wrong on that one.
Thought he looked really good at Boro.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: villabear on August 12, 2016, 03:23:04 PM: Was talking to a Albion season ticket holder at my workplace this morning. He cant believe they've let Chester go if only for the reason of lack of bodies as back up. Reckons Billy Jones at Sunderland would be a good player for us and he rated him a better player than Chester.

Aparently the stripies are non to enamoured with the goings on since their takeover. I made him feel at ease by taking the piss.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 12, 2016, 03:25:55 PM: Quote from: brian green on August 12, 2016, 02:57:58 PM
In your normal, admirable style TV you are saying we need a couple of bastards. I agree.

yes sir. Pretty much. Blokes who are willing to put their fingers in the chest of their teammates and challenge them to be better. Who do not give in or give up. Who view conceding a goal as not being the end of the world but another hill to overcome in the fight. Who believe Villa Park is our home and is worth defending. Who see Aston Villa is a club worth fighting for. Who understand the fans deserve much, much better.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: dave shelley on August 12, 2016, 03:27:40 PM: Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 12, 2016, 03:25:55 PM
Quote from: brian green on August 12, 2016, 02:57:58 PM
In your normal, admirable style TV you are saying we need a couple of bastards. I agree.

yes sir. Pretty much. Blokes who are willing to put their fingers in the chest of their teammates and challenge them to be better. Who do not give in or give up. Who view conceding a goal as not being the end of the world but another hill to overcome in the fight. Who believe Villa Park is our home and is worth defending. Who see Aston Villa is a club worth fighting for. Who understand the fans deserve much, much better.

In other words: Fuck you! we're Aston Villa!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 12, 2016, 03:31:46 PM: Quote from: villabear on August 12, 2016, 03:23:04 PM
Was talking to a Albion season ticket holder at my workplace this morning. He cant believe they've let Chester go if only for the reason of lack of bodies as back up. Reckons Billy Jones at Sunderland would be a good player for us and he rated him a better player than Chester.

Aparently the stripies are non to enamoured with the goings on since their takeover. I made him feel at ease by taking the piss.

It was interesting to hear Pulis say the deal for Chester is a good for them If they reinvest, why wouldnt they ??
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 12, 2016, 03:52:30 PM: Quote from: Clark W Griswold on August 12, 2016, 02:39:37 PM
Quote from: not3bad on August 12, 2016, 02:03:28 PM
The Bamford bandwagon is gathering pace.

Noticed that myself but I hope they're wrong on that one.

For a loan signing, I can't really see the harm.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: LeeB on August 12, 2016, 03:53:26 PM: Quote from: cdbullyweefan on August 12, 2016, 03:52:30 PM
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on August 12, 2016, 02:39:37 PM
Quote from: not3bad on August 12, 2016, 02:03:28 PM
The Bamford bandwagon is gathering pace.

Noticed that myself but I hope they're wrong on that one.

For a loan signing, I can't really see the harm.

I think he could dig us out of a hole.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Small Rodent on August 12, 2016, 03:55:02 PM: Quote from: LeeB on August 12, 2016, 03:53:26 PM
Quote from: cdbullyweefan on August 12, 2016, 03:52:30 PM
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on August 12, 2016, 02:39:37 PM
Quote from: not3bad on August 12, 2016, 02:03:28 PM
The Bamford bandwagon is gathering pace.

Noticed that myself but I hope they're wrong on that one.

For a loan signing, I can't really see the harm.

I think he could dig us out of a hole.

Ha ha! he might score a bucketload.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Richard E on August 12, 2016, 03:56:05 PM: Quote from: Small Rodent on August 12, 2016, 03:55:02 PM
Quote from: LeeB on August 12, 2016, 03:53:26 PM
Quote from: cdbullyweefan on August 12, 2016, 03:52:30 PM
Quote from: Clark W Griswold on August 12, 2016, 02:39:37 PM
Quote from: not3bad on August 12, 2016, 02:03:28 PM
The Bamford bandwagon is gathering pace.

Noticed that myself but I hope they're wrong on that one.

For a loan signing, I can't really see the harm.

I think he could dig us out of a hole.

Ha ha! he might score a bucketload.

I Just Can't Believe we might be in for him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on August 12, 2016, 04:06:09 PM: Bamford should really go to the Tractor Boys where Massey, Ferguson, Case, Ford and Holland made their names.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on August 12, 2016, 04:29:50 PM: Quote from: dave shelley on August 12, 2016, 03:27:40 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 12, 2016, 03:25:55 PM
Quote from: brian green on August 12, 2016, 02:57:58 PM
In your normal, admirable style TV you are saying we need a couple of bastards. I agree.

yes sir. Pretty much. Blokes who are willing to put their fingers in the chest of their teammates and challenge them to be better. Who do not give in or give up. Who view conceding a goal as not being the end of the world but another hill to overcome in the fight. Who believe Villa Park is our home and is worth defending. Who see Aston Villa is a club worth fighting for. Who understand the fans deserve much, much better.

In other words: Fuck you! we're Aston Villa!
It's always good to have a couple of bastards in your line up.

Makes our guys want to step up to their level of commitment and scares the shit out of the opposition. Two would be good, three or four even better!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tayls_7 on August 12, 2016, 05:43:18 PM: For T'Uddersfield the team could be..

Gollini

Chester Elphick Baker

De Laet Ledley Jedinak Amavi

Ayew Grealish

McCormack

In a perfect world we'd also say bye to ..

Richards, Gabby, Okore, Sir Len, Cisshoko, Gardner, Pointy, Justhead, Kozak, Bunn, Traore.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 12, 2016, 06:17:36 PM: I hope the Chester deal ends any debates about Dr Tony not providing the cash. We've just spent £20 million in the last couple of weeks.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on August 12, 2016, 07:56:36 PM: Quote from: Tayls_7 on August 12, 2016, 05:43:18 PM
For T'Uddersfield the team could be..

Gollini

Chester Elphick Baker

De Laet Ledley Jedinak Amavi

Ayew Grealish

McCormack

In a perfect world we'd also say bye to ..

Richards, Gabby, Okore, Sir Len, Cisshoko, Gardner, Pointy, Justhead, Kozak, Bunn, Traore.

I just don't see McCormack being a lone striker. He's a 'number 10' type player who will play off a forward. I said it in an earlier post, but we desperately need a bit of pace and movement up front.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on August 12, 2016, 07:58:56 PM: Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 12, 2016, 01:58:29 PM
Quote from: old man villa fan on August 12, 2016, 01:41:18 PM
If we could sell Westwood for £6m and buy a better replacement at £8m, I would say that would be £2m very well spent.

I agree. I think there is a good player hidden within Westwood but I do not think he will improve whilst at Villa and therefore a change should suit all parties.

I'd offer £8-10m for Hughes at Derby (i.e. similar to the price Norwich paid spurs to buy Pritchard) and bring in Jedinak. One for now and one for the future.

Hendrick is probably the one we need to go for if we are going to get a midfielder from Derby. Chips in with a few goals as well.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on August 12, 2016, 08:03:13 PM: Gollini
New Elphick. Chester. Amavi
Jedinak Tshibola (or Ledley)
Ayew. McCormack. New
New

Right back may be De Laet. The forward and the creative midfielder to follow but hopefully two intelligent players like the ones already signed.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tayls_7 on August 12, 2016, 08:06:31 PM: Quote from: tomd2103 on August 12, 2016, 07:56:36 PM
Quote from: Tayls_7 on August 12, 2016, 05:43:18 PM
For T'Uddersfield the team could be..

Gollini

Chester Elphick Baker

De Laet Ledley Jedinak Amavi

Ayew Grealish

McCormack

In a perfect world we'd also say bye to ..

Richards, Gabby, Okore, Sir Len, Cisshoko, Gardner, Pointy, Justhead, Kozak, Bunn, Traore.

I just don't see McCormack being a lone striker. He's a 'number 10' type player who will play off a forward. I said it in an earlier post, but we desperately need a bit of pace and movement up front.

I think that system is in keeping with RDM's intention to keep the ball on the carpet but you're right. It would require players willing to get ahead of him which I haven't seen a lot of yet.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 12, 2016, 08:11:36 PM: RDM confirms interest in Jedinak SSN
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tuscans on August 12, 2016, 08:45:39 PM: Quote from: Tayls_7 on August 12, 2016, 05:43:18 PM
For T'Uddersfield the team could be..

Gollini

Chester Elphick Baker

De Laet Ledley Jedinak Amavi

Ayew Grealish

McCormack

In a perfect world we'd also say bye to ..

Richards, Gabby, Okore, Sir Len, Cisshoko, Gardner, Pointy, Justhead, Kozak, Bunn, Traore.
Painfully slow midfield pairing, in fact very little pace at all. McCormack needs to play off someone, a Bamford maybe.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: dave shelley on August 12, 2016, 08:48:49 PM: Serious question. Does anyone know if we have re-structured our scouting network and if so, who's who?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tayls_7 on August 12, 2016, 08:52:03 PM: Quote from: Tuscans on August 12, 2016, 08:45:39 PM
Quote from: Tayls_7 on August 12, 2016, 05:43:18 PM
For T'Uddersfield the team could be..

Gollini

Chester Elphick Baker

De Laet Ledley Jedinak Amavi

Ayew Grealish

McCormack

In a perfect world we'd also say bye to ..

Richards, Gabby, Okore, Sir Len, Cisshoko, Gardner, Pointy, Justhead, Kozak, Bunn, Traore.
Painfully slow midfield pairing, in fact very little pace at all. McCormack needs to play off someone, a Bamford maybe.

We could drop Ledley before we've purchashed him go hell for leather and play Ross alongside two Bamfords if you can't decide which ;)
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on August 12, 2016, 09:00:33 PM: Quote from: Newby on August 12, 2016, 08:03:13 PM
Gollini
New Elphick. Chester. Amavi
Jedinak Tshibola (or Ledley)
Ayew. McCormack. New
New

Right back may be De Laet. The forward and the creative midfielder to follow but hopefully two intelligent players like the ones already signed.

Looks good to me. Would even consider pushing Amavi forward and bringing in a more defensively solid left back.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: themossman on August 12, 2016, 09:02:19 PM: Every time I see jedinak I wonder how his beard compares with olof's.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: four fornicholl on August 12, 2016, 09:05:03 PM: Quote from: themossman on August 12, 2016, 09:02:19 PM
Every time I see jedinak I wonder how his beard compares with olof's.
Its a very poor imitation, even if it is slightly hairier, you can never replicate the original.
No provenance required.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 12, 2016, 10:04:52 PM: Quote from: ChicagoLion on August 12, 2016, 08:11:36 PM
RDM confirms interest in Jedinak SSN

That'd be great.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 12, 2016, 10:13:02 PM: Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 12, 2016, 11:21:58 AM
RDM has actually said we're interested in Jedinak now. Hope we get him.

On the ball as usual Chicago Lion.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: eamonn on August 12, 2016, 10:13:22 PM: Quote from: dave shelley on August 12, 2016, 08:48:49 PM
Serious question. Does anyone know if we have re-structured our scouting network and if so, who's who?

Paddy is still on the payroll and was spotted taking in a game at Molineux this week. Dr Xia mentioned a technical director will be announced next week.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: dave shelley on August 12, 2016, 10:37:49 PM: Thanks Eamonn. How's it going BTW.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: eamonn on August 12, 2016, 11:37:01 PM: Good, due a trip to the homestead soon. Will have to take in an Athlone or Longford Town game with you at some stage :)
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 12, 2016, 11:43:19 PM: Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 12, 2016, 10:13:02 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 12, 2016, 11:21:58 AM
RDM has actually said we're interested in Jedinak now. Hope we get him.

On the ball as usual Chicago Lion.
Dublin in transit, thanks for your best wishes.i will still be traveling when the game is on, but I know you will be missing me.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on August 13, 2016, 12:28:01 AM: Aron Gunnarson of Cardiff City linked in the Sun, in case we don't get Jedinak. Newsnow.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on August 13, 2016, 08:10:58 AM: Another captain.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: dave shelley on August 13, 2016, 09:30:08 AM: Quote from: eamonn on August 12, 2016, 11:37:01 PM
Good, due a trip to the homestead soon. Will have to take in an Athlone or Longford Town game with you at some stage :)

Great. Let me know when you can.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 13, 2016, 11:26:20 AM: The god doctor just tweeted that the next number 9 is on his way
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 13, 2016, 11:33:25 AM: Quote from: Newby on August 13, 2016, 12:28:01 AM
Aron Gunnarson of Cardiff City linked in the Sun, in case we don't get Jedinak. Newsnow.

I'm not sure he's even first choice for Cardiff
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: andyh on August 13, 2016, 11:35:37 AM: Longbridge lions have just tweeted a picture showing one of them, with Keith Wyness outside the ground.
They also say KW says 3 new signings 100% confirmed imminently!!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tony Erdington on August 13, 2016, 11:39:44 AM: Quote from: aj2k77 on August 13, 2016, 08:10:58 AM
Another captain.

we need leaders, so not a bad thing.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: London Villan on August 13, 2016, 12:33:57 PM: Will he be announcing them while he is on the pitch before the match?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Rudy65 on August 13, 2016, 12:42:31 PM: Quote from: London Villan on August 13, 2016, 12:33:57 PM
Will he be announcing them while he is on the pitch before the match?

Like Big Ron with Dean Saunders or Sanders as he called him
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Havencheese on August 13, 2016, 01:25:00 PM: Abel Hernandez scores with a bicycle kick. Does anyone think Doug might do us a favour and get him to come round. After listening to the old boy, I'm sure he'll on his bike to B6 in no time to meet his new father.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on August 13, 2016, 01:26:39 PM: Quote from: andyh on August 13, 2016, 11:35:37 AM
Longbridge lions have just tweeted a picture showing one of them, with Keith Wyness outside the ground.
They also say KW says 3 new signings 100% confirmed imminently!!

My money is on De Laet, Bamford and Jedinak. Creative midfielder to come.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tuscans on August 13, 2016, 01:32:37 PM: Quote from: Havencheese on August 13, 2016, 01:25:00 PM
Abel Hernandez scores with a bicycle kick. Does anyone think Doug might do us a favour and get him to come round. After listening to the old boy, I'm sure he'll on his bike to B6 in no time to meet his new father.
Diomande's goal
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on August 13, 2016, 01:33:39 PM: Actually, am I being overly optimistic by hoping that the number 9 is better than Bamford?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: dave shelley on August 13, 2016, 01:34:15 PM: I didn't see it on the telly, I saw it on a small screen feed and, it looks like they both connected at the same time. As I say, small screen and my eyesight aint the best.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tuscans on August 13, 2016, 01:36:37 PM: Quote from: dave shelley on August 13, 2016, 01:34:15 PM
I didn't see it on the telly, I saw it on a small screen feed and, it looks like they both connected at the same time. As I say, small screen and my eyesight aint the best.
I though the same mate but seeing the replay the way Diomande shaped up you could just make out he's struck it first with a tiny deflection off Hernandez.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on August 13, 2016, 01:52:33 PM: Quote from: mr underhill on August 13, 2016, 11:26:20 AM
The god doctor just tweeted that the next number 9 is on his way

Nice of Tone to start doing bus travel updates. How's the number 11 running through Handsworth ?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ducksworthy on August 13, 2016, 01:58:15 PM: Quote from: andyh on August 13, 2016, 11:35:37 AM
Longbridge lions have just tweeted a picture showing one of them, with Keith Wyness outside the ground.
They also say KW says 3 new signings 100% confirmed imminently!!

No they haven't...?

Apologies if I'm missing something.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 13, 2016, 02:00:21 PM: Its on vt
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: avfcpg on August 13, 2016, 02:30:13 PM: Jedinak starting for CP so guessing it's not him then...
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on August 13, 2016, 05:28:24 PM: Ledley on the bench for Palace too but so was Bolasie and we know that he's off to the toffee's. Forestieri not in the squad for Sheff Wednesday, off to Derby?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: jwarry on August 13, 2016, 05:55:05 PM: Forester refused to travel apparently. Carvalho fuming
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on August 13, 2016, 05:57:36 PM: Quote from: jwarry on August 13, 2016, 05:55:05 PM
Forester refused to travel apparently. Carvalho fuming

Wow! How unprofessional of him. Gabbyesque!!
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Post by: mr underhill on August 13, 2016, 06:07:03 PM: Off to the jawdies
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Post by: tomd2103 on August 13, 2016, 06:07:30 PM: Saw the spine of a team coming together today. Need to keep building though.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 13, 2016, 06:27:13 PM: Can't help but snigger at the Newcastle result.

Might put a tenner on Leicester to get relegated this year, they've had their day in sun and are now getting back to normal.

Hernandez looked good for Hull, if we do sign him I will be quite chuffed.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 13, 2016, 06:32:25 PM: Leicester won't go down but mid table could be a very reasonable expectation. That said nobody can take away what they did last season. So they won't care one bit if that is their last day in the sun.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: OCD on August 13, 2016, 06:43:15 PM: Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on August 13, 2016, 06:27:13 PM
Can't help but snigger at the Newcastle result.

Might put a tenner on Leicester to get relegated this year, they've had their day in sun and are now getting back to normal.

Hernandez looked good for Hull, if we do sign him I will be quite chuffed.

Wasn't Hernandez quoted as saying something that implied he would move to us if he got the chance to?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Nastylee on August 13, 2016, 08:34:16 PM: I don't rate Bamford, just saying.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: andyh on August 13, 2016, 08:58:36 PM: Quote from: Ducksworthy on August 13, 2016, 01:58:15 PM
Quote from: andyh on August 13, 2016, 11:35:37 AM
Longbridge lions have just tweeted a picture showing one of them, with Keith Wyness outside the ground.
They also say KW says 3 new signings 100% confirmed imminently!!

No they haven't...?

Apologies if I'm missing something.
https://twitter.com/benmorton1979/status/764408902016458752
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Stirchley Villain on August 13, 2016, 09:29:24 PM: If we signed Bamford where would he fit in after today?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on August 13, 2016, 09:31:51 PM: Gestede was excellent but that's the first time we've seen him play in that manner and it wasn't the stiffest of opposition, I think another centre forward would be welcome.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 13, 2016, 09:33:09 PM: Quote from: Stirchley Villain on August 13, 2016, 09:29:24 PM
If we signed Bamford where would he fit in after today?

Ahead of Gestede for me.

I actually wonder where McCormack will fit once all the players are fit/firing. I think Grealish, Adama and Ayew offer more unless he can play as a 9.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on August 13, 2016, 09:36:35 PM: Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 13, 2016, 09:33:09 PM
Quote from: Stirchley Villain on August 13, 2016, 09:29:24 PM
If we signed Bamford where would he fit in after today?

Ahead of Gestede for me.

I actually wonder where McCormack will fit once all the players are fit/firing. I think Grealish, Adama and Ayew offer more unless he can play as a 9.

McCormack will play just off the main striker. Doesn't look match fit just yet, but got into some good positions today and had some good touches.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 13, 2016, 09:41:27 PM: Quote from: tomd2103 on August 13, 2016, 09:36:35 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 13, 2016, 09:33:09 PM
Quote from: Stirchley Villain on August 13, 2016, 09:29:24 PM
If we signed Bamford where would he fit in after today?

Ahead of Gestede for me.

I actually wonder where McCormack will fit once all the players are fit/firing. I think Grealish, Adama and Ayew offer more unless he can play as a 9.

McCormack will play just off the main striker. Doesn't look match fit just yet, but got into some good positions today and had some good touches.

I don't disagree, my opinion is that he's not as good as Adama, Grealish and Ayew. I can't work out how they can all play unless one plays as the main striker.

That said, if nothing else, the games come thick and fast in this division so rotating them could prevent players burning out/injuries.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on August 13, 2016, 09:45:24 PM: Adama is an exciting talent but I'm not sure that his cameo today answers any of the questions about his positional play and discipline. We looked far better earlier.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Stirchley Villain on August 13, 2016, 09:48:04 PM: Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 13, 2016, 09:33:09 PM
Quote from: Stirchley Villain on August 13, 2016, 09:29:24 PM
If we signed Bamford where would he fit in after today?

Ahead of Gestede for me.

I actually wonder where McCormack will fit once all the players are fit/firing. I think Grealish, Adama and Ayew offer more unless he can play as a 9.

Gestede has to start. I thought Ayew was the weakest today. McCormack looked dangerous all afternoon. Grealish scored and was MOTM obviously. It's nice to have competition for attacking options though. It's been a while since we've had that luxury.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Richard E on August 13, 2016, 09:49:30 PM: Quote from: PeterWithe on August 13, 2016, 09:45:24 PM
Adama is an exciting talent but I'm not sure that his cameo today answers any of the questions about his positional play and discipline. We looked far better earlier.

Impact sub when opposition defenders are tired or on yellow cards, I'd say.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on August 13, 2016, 09:53:44 PM: Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 13, 2016, 09:41:27 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on August 13, 2016, 09:36:35 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 13, 2016, 09:33:09 PM
Quote from: Stirchley Villain on August 13, 2016, 09:29:24 PM
If we signed Bamford where would he fit in after today?

Ahead of Gestede for me.

I actually wonder where McCormack will fit once all the players are fit/firing. I think Grealish, Adama and Ayew offer more unless he can play as a 9.

McCormack will play just off the main striker. Doesn't look match fit just yet, but got into some good positions today and had some good touches.

I don't disagree, my opinion is that he's not as good as Adama, Grealish and Ayew. I can't work out how they can all play unless one plays as the main striker.

That said, if nothing else, the games come thick and fast in this division so rotating them could prevent players burning out/injuries.

Think we will probably see them rotate. Unless Ayew was injured, I would have taken McCormack off first today, as he was clearly starting to tire. If we continue with the 4-2-3-1 formation, our current options for the 3 behind the striker are Ayew, McCormack, Grealish, Traore and Green, which isn't bad at all.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: villan from luton on August 13, 2016, 09:57:12 PM: I think McCormack showed some really nice touches today, such as the touch for Gestedes second goal. As for Traore, he has to realise it is a team game, and he needs to defend as well
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ldavfc4eva on August 13, 2016, 09:59:48 PM: We need strength in depth, we have been lacking it in the final third for far too long so I hope we can add to those that we already have.

jedinak and Ledley would be very good in midfield, if we could get De Laet at right back I think we are all set to challenge at the top end of the table this season, and so we should we are Aston Villa and need to be out if this league as soon as soon as we can.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 13, 2016, 10:02:34 PM: Quote from: Richard E on August 13, 2016, 09:49:30 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on August 13, 2016, 09:45:24 PM
Adama is an exciting talent but I'm not sure that his cameo today answers any of the questions about his positional play and discipline. We looked far better earlier.

Impact sub when opposition defenders are tired or on yellow cards, I'd say.

Agree completely. Teams will fear his unpredictability.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on August 13, 2016, 10:03:35 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 13, 2016, 10:02:34 PM
Quote from: Richard E on August 13, 2016, 09:49:30 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on August 13, 2016, 09:45:24 PM
Adama is an exciting talent but I'm not sure that his cameo today answers any of the questions about his positional play and discipline. We looked far better earlier.

Impact sub when opposition defenders are tired or on yellow cards, I'd say.

Agree completely. Teams will fear his unpredictability.
Including our team. :p

I look forward to seeing more of him. He's going to have awful games I reckon, but other times he will be unstoppable.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Stirchley Villain on August 13, 2016, 10:03:51 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 13, 2016, 10:02:34 PM
Quote from: Richard E on August 13, 2016, 09:49:30 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on August 13, 2016, 09:45:24 PM
Adama is an exciting talent but I'm not sure that his cameo today answers any of the questions about his positional play and discipline. We looked far better earlier.

Impact sub when opposition defenders are tired or on yellow cards, I'd say.

Agree completely. Teams will fear his unpredictability.

At this level certainly. PL defences will have him worked out though I think.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on August 13, 2016, 10:17:04 PM: Quote from: ldavfc4eva on August 13, 2016, 09:59:48 PM
We need strength in depth, we have been lacking it in the final third for far too long so I hope we can add to those that we already have.

jedinak and Ledley would be very good in midfield, if we could get De Laet at right back I think we are all set to challenge at the top end of the table this season, and so we should we are Aston Villa and need to be out if this league as soon as soon as we can.

Agree with that. Those three and a good centre forward and we would be in a pretty decent position. We've had terrible luck with injuries in recent years, so hopefully that will cease this year as well.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Mellin on August 13, 2016, 11:41:23 PM: Quote from: Stirchley Villain on August 13, 2016, 10:03:51 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 13, 2016, 10:02:34 PM
Quote from: Richard E on August 13, 2016, 09:49:30 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on August 13, 2016, 09:45:24 PM
Adama is an exciting talent but I'm not sure that his cameo today answers any of the questions about his positional play and discipline. We looked far better earlier.

Impact sub when opposition defenders are tired or on yellow cards, I'd say.

Agree completely. Teams will fear his unpredictability.

At this level certainly. PL defences will have him worked out though I think.

They didn't last year. He can ve whatever he wants to imo. Depends if the inclination is there.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 14, 2016, 12:04:59 AM: In time Adama will destroy many high quality defences.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: OCD on August 14, 2016, 12:08:03 AM: Apparently Jedinak threw his shirt into the crowd at the end of the game. That, losing the captaincy and 3 signings being imminent, it sounds like he will be one.

Still talk of Diawara too.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 14, 2016, 12:20:06 PM: Italian press still talking about this lead coming from Bologna.

I would be really gutted to see Benteke at Albion.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Monty on August 14, 2016, 12:23:18 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on August 14, 2016, 12:20:06 PM
Italian press still talking about this lead coming from Bologna.

I would be really gutted to see Benteke at Albion.

I still just can't quite see that happening. Surely Pulis is too awful a thought for him?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 14, 2016, 12:25:07 PM: Pulis will do it just to spite us such is the man's obsession.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on August 14, 2016, 12:38:02 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on August 14, 2016, 12:25:07 PM
Pulis will do it just to spite us such is the man's obsession.

Yes i'm sure that'll be his first thought ;D

Would be a great signing for them to be honest. None of our business anymore mind. If we were selling him to them then i'd be bothered
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 14, 2016, 01:05:36 PM: If he can quote our stats in a game 2 minutes after they come off the pitch I wouldn't be suprised
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 14, 2016, 02:30:23 PM: Bastion of truth John Percy says we expect to complete jedinak signing and bamford could follow

Bamford would be a different option and give us possibly the most attacking threat in the league. With a stronger defence and more solid midfield we should be looking to compete right at the top

I'd still rather have a no 9 who can play on the shoulder with real pace. Not sure bamford is that man. He seems a bit of a cultured all rounder who may lack the special ability to do it at prem level?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on August 14, 2016, 02:36:23 PM: Quote from: Matt Collins on August 14, 2016, 02:30:23 PM
I'd still rather have a no 9 who can play on the shoulder with real pace. Not sure bamford is that man. He seems a bit of a cultured all rounder who may lack the special ability to do it at prem level?

Is that not something to worry about a bit further down the line?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: in exile on August 14, 2016, 02:43:03 PM: Quote from: Matt Collins on August 14, 2016, 02:30:23 PM
Bastion of truth John Percy says we expect to complete jedinak signing and bamford could follow...
Yes, the Tweet I read said within 48 hours
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 14, 2016, 02:48:39 PM: Former Crystal Palace captain Mile Jedinak is reportedly set to finalise a move to Aston Villa within 24 hours.

according to those in them croydon parts
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tuscans on August 14, 2016, 02:50:06 PM: Steve Round could be the new technical director. Was at the game with Wyness yesterday.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on August 14, 2016, 02:51:35 PM: If they get this Jedinak signing done, that means the club has built the strong spine which all of us were crying out for at the beginning of the window, pretty much from scratch. Really encouraging.

Not sure about the rumours that we're selling Westwood to fund the move though - I suppose if it really is for 6 million, that's fine, but if it's for a million or two, I would much rather have him stick around as cover than take the cash.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: saunders_heroes on August 14, 2016, 03:09:56 PM: Would Jedinack take Westwood's place in the team? If that's the case I'm all for him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villafirst on August 14, 2016, 03:11:45 PM: I'd expect two signings confirmed tomorrow judging by Xia's tweets and Wyness hinting at deals. Probably Jedinak and Bamford. Another midfielder and RB would complete a good window.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on August 14, 2016, 03:13:28 PM: Quote from: saunders_heroes on August 14, 2016, 03:09:56 PM
Would Jedinack take Westwood's place in the team? If that's the case I'm all for him.

Jedinak seems to be a very popular choice to further improve the squad.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 14, 2016, 03:13:52 PM: Quote from: saunders_heroes on August 14, 2016, 03:09:56 PM
Would Jedinack take Westwood's place in the team? If that's the case I'm all for him.

you or I could take Pointy's place.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 14, 2016, 03:15:44 PM: Jedinak apparently next signing up by Tuesday.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 14, 2016, 03:41:12 PM: If we got Jedinak and this lad from Bologna, plus a right back and Bamford we will have done incredible work this window.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 14, 2016, 03:45:25 PM: Just need to get rid of Lescott, Gabby and Richards.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 14, 2016, 03:55:35 PM: Sorry if I've missed it - who's the Bologna player?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Holtemeister on August 14, 2016, 03:55:58 PM: Either...

These players we are going after and seemingly getting at will are seriously buying into the vision or

We are offering some serious wedge to get them

If its more of the latter then its on the verge of being a bloody dangerous gamble on getting up first time ... can’t see either Jedinak or Elphick or McCormack commanding much of a resale fee but then again if they get the club back into the premier league who cares as there fees and wages will have been justified and written back anyway !
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: paul_e on August 14, 2016, 04:07:44 PM: Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 14, 2016, 03:55:35 PM
Sorry if I've missed it - who's the Bologna player?

Amadou Diawara - http://www.football-italia.net/89671/diawara-reconsiders-aston-villa
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on August 14, 2016, 04:09:52 PM: Seeing on Twitter that a €17m fee has been agreed?

Crazy to be spending a £42m on a player in the 2nd Division. #bantz
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on August 14, 2016, 04:14:18 PM: I can't see Bamford being this new #9 Dr Xia was on about. He's hardly an exciting signing to warrant such an iconic shirt
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 14, 2016, 04:19:13 PM: Quote from: paul_e on August 14, 2016, 04:07:44 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 14, 2016, 03:55:35 PM
Sorry if I've missed it - who's the Bologna player?

Amadou Diawara - http://www.football-italia.net/89671/diawara-reconsiders-aston-villa

Cheers.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: WarszaVillan on August 14, 2016, 04:20:33 PM: I guess you didn't see yesterdays game
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 14, 2016, 04:22:50 PM: Quote from: WarszaVillan82 on August 14, 2016, 04:20:33 PM
I guess you didn't see yesterdays game

Who, me?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: paul_e on August 14, 2016, 04:23:33 PM: obligatory youtube clip:

link for people with a black box -

big, strong, good positioning and seems to have the brains to wait for a poor touch and nip the ball away rather than thundering though people. Him and tish would go well together long term I think and should let us play with 3 more attacking players behind a striker.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ger Regan on August 14, 2016, 04:27:21 PM: He looks good, but for me there'd be a big question mark over whether he'd be a right fit for a club looking to develop a good atmosphere within the dressing room. I don't know the ins and outs of what's gone on at bologna, but it doesn't look good from the outside.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 14, 2016, 04:29:32 PM: Looks good. Thanks.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on August 14, 2016, 05:11:30 PM: Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 14, 2016, 03:15:44 PM
Jedinak apparently next signing up by Tuesday.

Hope this one happens. Will be just what we need in midfield and another leader type.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 14, 2016, 05:23:47 PM: We also need a solid beard in the line up.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 14, 2016, 05:25:59 PM: Quote from: saunders_heroes on August 14, 2016, 03:09:56 PM
Would Jedinack take Westwood's place in the team? If that's the case I'm all for him.

I think that Jedinak is closer to Tshibola is terms of style so suspect that westwood would keep his place as the metronome dictating the play (whereas Jedinak and Tshibola's primary skills are to break up the opposition's play).
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Concrete John on August 14, 2016, 05:30:13 PM: Not sure what the finances are like, but if Jedinak happens I'd prefer us to spend big money on a striker not another midfielder.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Chris Jameson on August 14, 2016, 05:33:03 PM: That Foristieri (?) fella didn't travel with Sheffield Wednesday yesterday to the game and isn't injured. I like the looks of him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on August 14, 2016, 05:33:44 PM: Quote from: Chris Jameson on August 14, 2016, 05:33:03 PM
That Foristieri (?) fella didn't travel with Sheffield Wednesday yesterday to the game and isn't injured. I like the looks of him.

So do Derby apparently.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: OCD on August 14, 2016, 05:34:07 PM: And Newcastle.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: not3bad on August 14, 2016, 05:55:09 PM: Quote from: Richard E on August 13, 2016, 09:49:30 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on August 13, 2016, 09:45:24 PM
Adama is an exciting talent but I'm not sure that his cameo today answers any of the questions about his positional play and discipline. We looked far better earlier.

Impact sub when opposition defenders are tired or on yellow cards, I'd say.

Talented but needs to be molded into a team player.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ldavfc4eva on August 14, 2016, 06:19:52 PM: Sounds like jedinak will be ours very soon,

Dr T has tweeted “Nobody can steal if he’s delighted to be with us; also you can’t keep him if his heart was not with us!”

Response to someone asking him to make sure Newcastle don't steal him
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 14, 2016, 06:23:52 PM: I'd have thought we rotate between the two that played yday and jedinak. Some games, him and Tish would give us a lot more solidity to play on the break. Games like yesterday I'm not sure you need him
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on August 14, 2016, 06:39:38 PM: Quote from: Matt Collins on August 14, 2016, 06:23:52 PM
I'd have thought we rotate between the two that played yday and jedinak. Some games, him and Tish would give us a lot more solidity to play on the break. Games like yesterday I'm not sure you need him
It's also very early days for Tish. He's young and will undoubtedly have a run where he loses consistency. I would still like to see a real leader in the middle. Jedinak would certainly be that.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Monty on August 14, 2016, 06:41:43 PM: Yep, more good players please. We'll need a squad for this season, not to mention experience.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: CJ on August 14, 2016, 06:46:00 PM: Quote from: Chris Jameson on August 14, 2016, 05:33:03 PM
That Foristieri (?) fella didn't travel with Sheffield Wednesday yesterday to the game and isn't injured. I like the looks of him.

Refused to play apparently, and didn't want to play against us (wish he hadn't!) - wants a move but Sheff Weds say going nowhere. Talented but not sure we want another potentially disruptive character in the dressing room.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: paul_e on August 14, 2016, 06:49:20 PM: 3-4 players who all deserve to start in 2 positions is best case scenario for me. I want the toughest job for RDM to be giving them all the game time they deserve because that'll mean they all fight to keep the shirt and should push us on.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on August 14, 2016, 06:58:24 PM: Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 14, 2016, 05:25:59 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on August 14, 2016, 03:09:56 PM
Would Jedinack take Westwood's place in the team? If that's the case I'm all for him.

I think that Jedinak is closer to Tshibola is terms of style so suspect that westwood would keep his place as the metronome dictating the play (whereas Jedinak and Tshibola's primary skills are to break up the opposition's play).

Think we will continue with the 4-2-3-1 formation, so Jedinak would replace Westwood in that line up.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on August 14, 2016, 07:00:08 PM: Quote from: Concrete John on August 14, 2016, 05:30:13 PM
Not sure what the finances are like, but if Jedinak happens I'd prefer us to spend big money on a striker not another midfielder.

Me too mate. If we are going for a big money buy like that, I would rather we spent it on a striker. Someone like Ledley would be decent buy for us in midfield.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tony Erdington on August 14, 2016, 07:43:11 PM: Quote from: tomd2103 on August 14, 2016, 07:00:08 PM
Quote from: Concrete John on August 14, 2016, 05:30:13 PM
Not sure what the finances are like, but if Jedinak happens I'd prefer us to spend big money on a striker not another midfielder.

Me too mate. If we are going for a big money buy like that, I would rather we spent it on a striker. Someone like Ledley would be decent buy for us in midfield.

well having been at the game yesterday, and actually an opnion I have had for a while, the attack is good enough or nearly whereas midfield is in need of a real leader, and westwood aint it, he don't seem to communicate, his passes are backward or sideward, and normally 5 yards, he has a canny nack of being where the ball isn't, he don't beat a player, and er goals, apart from that I'm his biggest fan. NO, Get Jedinak.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Concrete John on August 14, 2016, 07:50:20 PM: Quote from: Tony Erdington on August 14, 2016, 07:43:11 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on August 14, 2016, 07:00:08 PM
Quote from: Concrete John on August 14, 2016, 05:30:13 PM
Not sure what the finances are like, but if Jedinak happens I'd prefer us to spend big money on a striker not another midfielder.

Me too mate. If we are going for a big money buy like that, I would rather we spent it on a striker. Someone like Ledley would be decent buy for us in midfield.

well having been at the game yesterday, and actually an opnion I have had for a while, the attack is good enough or nearly whereas midfield is in need of a real leader, and westwood aint it, he don't seem to communicate, his passes are backward or sideward, and normally 5 yards, he has a canny nack of being where the ball isn't, he don't beat a player, and er goals, apart from that I'm his biggest fan. NO, Get Jedinak.

I'm not saying we shouldn't get Jedinak, just that if we do a better number 9 than Rudy becomes more of a priority than the Bologna player.

If we can afford 2 moe £10m+ players then great.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Iamkmkm on August 14, 2016, 08:02:07 PM: Jedinak is exactly what we need, a no nonsense midfielder!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on August 14, 2016, 08:48:07 PM: Quote from: paul_e on August 14, 2016, 06:49:20 PM
3-4 players who all deserve to start in 2 positions is best case scenario for me. I want the toughest job for RDM to be giving them all the game time they deserve because that'll mean they all fight to keep the shirt and should push us on.

Agreed Paul. Keep the motivation high right through the side. Something clearly missing in recent years.

I also agree with others, spend big on a number 9 who has everything. We need from a forward, dynamism, energy, movement, pace. I don't think that is Bamford.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on August 14, 2016, 08:49:43 PM: Quote from: Tony Erdington on August 14, 2016, 07:43:11 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on August 14, 2016, 07:00:08 PM
Quote from: Concrete John on August 14, 2016, 05:30:13 PM
Not sure what the finances are like, but if Jedinak happens I'd prefer us to spend big money on a striker not another midfielder.

Me too mate. If we are going for a big money buy like that, I would rather we spent it on a striker. Someone like Ledley would be decent buy for us in midfield.

well having been at the game yesterday, and actually an opnion I have had for a while, the attack is good enough or nearly whereas midfield is in need of a real leader, and westwood aint it, he don't seem to communicate, his passes are backward or sideward, and normally 5 yards, he has a canny nack of being where the ball isn't, he don't beat a player, and er goals, apart from that I'm his biggest fan. NO, Get Jedinak.

Agree about Jedinak and I was talking about the possibility of signing both him and a £17m midfielder. I would rather have Jedinak and another cheaper midfielder like Ledley, and then spend big on a striker. He did well yesterday, but being there I saw that Gestede didn't really offer much movement when we had the ball. I'd really like to see a quick striker with good movement come in, giving us the ability to stretch teams if necessary.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: OCD on August 14, 2016, 08:51:04 PM: I don't mind having Bamford as a third option for the number 9 role. I think it's African Nations this season which will mean Gestede being away for a while and it's good to have options.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Exeter 77 on August 14, 2016, 08:56:30 PM: Don't think Benin qualified so Gestede will still be around in January but Ghana have so presumably we will lose Ayew for a while.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: OCD on August 14, 2016, 09:07:13 PM: Ah right, I thought we would be losing someone.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 14, 2016, 09:14:58 PM: Kozak and Gabby to leave I imagine. Having Bamford, McCormack, Ayew, Gestede is pretty good at this level with RHM coming through.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: J on August 14, 2016, 09:17:18 PM: Quote from: Exeter 77 on August 14, 2016, 08:56:30 PM
Don't think Benin qualified so Gestede will still be around in January but Ghana have so presumably we will lose Ayew for a while.

The qualifying hasn't finished yet, if Benin lose to Mali (who top the group) in their remaining game they probably won't go through.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: curiousorange on August 14, 2016, 09:43:51 PM: A fair amount of murmurs on Twitter saying we've agreed a fee and personal terms with Amadou Diawara of Bologna.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: TB on August 14, 2016, 09:54:33 PM: Quote from: curiousorange on August 14, 2016, 09:43:51 PM
A fair amount of murmurs on Twitter saying we've agreed a fee and personal terms with Amadou Diawara of Bologna.

A fee agreed between Villa and Bologna, yes. But apparently Diawara wanted a move to Roma. Napoli being the next-best option for the player. Personal terms agreed is a new one for me. Has he really agreed to move to Brum? If it's true, what kind of committment can we expect when he obviously wanted a move to an Italian club?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 14, 2016, 09:55:24 PM: Regarding Diawara, I know it is YouTube but the montage from a couple of pages back is impressive. Great feet for a big lad but most impressive is how quickly he closes opposition players down. Excellent positional sense and uses his body well to get between the opposing player and ball.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Edvard Remberg on August 14, 2016, 10:08:17 PM: Somebody clueless has edited the Wikipage, just replacing Bologna with Aston Villa
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: villadelph on August 14, 2016, 10:12:37 PM: Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 14, 2016, 09:55:24 PM
Regarding Diawara, I know it is YouTube but the montage from a couple of pages back is impressive. Great feet for a big lad but most impressive is how quickly he closes opposition players down. Excellent positional sense and uses his body well to get between the opposing player and ball.

He looks strong and tidy, but not a single goal or assist throughout..

I think he'll end up at Juve. However, how much would an Italian club realistically offer a 19 year old? I think if we put him on the Traore pay plan he could end up here.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: MoetVillan on August 14, 2016, 10:13:26 PM: Quote from: TB on August 14, 2016, 09:54:33 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on August 14, 2016, 09:43:51 PM
A fair amount of murmurs on Twitter saying we've agreed a fee and personal terms with Amadou Diawara of Bologna.

A fee agreed between Villa and Bologna, yes. But apparently Diawara wanted a move to Roma. Napoli being the next-best option for the player. Personal terms agreed is a new one for me. Has he really agreed to move to Brum? If it's true, what kind of committment can we expect when he obviously wanted a move to an Italian club?

He obviously has yet to savour the brilliance of our city. A few hours here and he will have forgotten all about stinky Rome
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: godzvilla on August 14, 2016, 10:18:39 PM: Quote from: curiousorange on August 14, 2016, 09:43:51 PM
A fair amount of murmurs on Twitter saying we've agreed a fee and personal terms with Amadou Diawara of Bologna.

This...............................Godzvilla!
According to an emerging report from Italian news outlet Tuttosport, Aston Villa are closing in on a deal for Bologna midfielder Amadou Diawara.

The 19-year-old has been catching the eye of many with his performances out in Italy and it comes as no surprise to see interest mounting from potential suitors from foreign leagues.

The report claims, however, that Aston Villa are in pole position to land the Guinean youngster
he reports in Italy claim that Villa have agreed a €17m fee and personal terms with the promising midfield maestro ahead of a move this summer and that the player is very keen on a switch to the Championship.

The Bologna star will add a lot more depth and promise to the Villa midfield as they look to bolster their options ahead of what promises to be a massively difficult Championship campaign.

Diawara is predominantly a defensive midfielder and has already made a cameo appearance in the Coppa Italia for Bologna this season.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KevinGage on August 14, 2016, 10:18:53 PM: Okore is a lesson to all of us about how good limited video evidence can be when judging a player.

He had the game of his life against Chelsea that evening.

We haven't seen anything like that in a Villa shirt.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Concrete John on August 14, 2016, 10:22:13 PM: Quote from: villadelph on August 14, 2016, 10:12:37 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 14, 2016, 09:55:24 PM
Regarding Diawara, I know it is YouTube but the montage from a couple of pages back is impressive. Great feet for a big lad but most impressive is how quickly he closes opposition players down. Excellent positional sense and uses his body well to get between the opposing player and ball.

He looks strong and tidy, but not a single goal or assist throughout..

Not entirely surprising or concerning for a defensive midfielder.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Concrete John on August 14, 2016, 10:25:45 PM: Quote from: KevinGage on August 14, 2016, 10:18:53 PM
Okore is a lesson to all of us about how good limited video evidence can be when judging a player.

He had the game of his life against Chelsea that evening.

We haven't seen anything like that in a Villa shirt.

He looked good enough when he first joined, but since the injury he's looked poor. That may have had something to do with it, as may the fact he was coming into a struggling side, but I can't help thinking there's something salvageable there.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: MoetVillan on August 14, 2016, 10:26:41 PM: And he also contributes more goals and assists than most of our midfield from last year combined
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on August 15, 2016, 12:20:15 AM: Quote from: Concrete John on August 14, 2016, 10:25:45 PM
Quote from: KevinGage on August 14, 2016, 10:18:53 PM
Okore is a lesson to all of us about how good limited video evidence can be when judging a player.

He had the game of his life against Chelsea that evening.

We haven't seen anything like that in a Villa shirt.

He looked good enough when he first joined, but since the injury he's looked poor. That may have had something to do with it, as may the fact he was coming into a struggling side, but I can't help thinking there's something salvageable there.

I do too, but after Luton I think that salvage job might have to happen elsewhere.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 15, 2016, 06:53:50 AM: http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/mile-jedinak-dismisses-talk-of-crystal-palace-exit-a3319931.html

Confusing that one, on Jedinak. His direct quotes don't exactly contradict the suggestion the move is tied up, but they don't exactly support it either

I guess we'll find out soon enough

Either way, it's not looking good for Gardner at the moment is it? He had a great chance this season and he's not taken it at all.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on August 15, 2016, 07:51:28 AM: Quote from: Matt Collins on August 15, 2016, 06:53:50 AM
http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/mile-jedinak-dismisses-talk-of-crystal-palace-exit-a3319931.html

Confusing that one, on Jedinak. His direct quotes don't exactly contradict the suggestion the move is tied up, but they don't exactly support it either

I guess we'll find out soon enough

Either way, it's not looking good for Gardner at the moment is it? He had a great chance this season and he's not taken it at all.
And that is the reality you only get limited chances to impress any manager and you have to perform.Garder has failed to show anything.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 15, 2016, 08:00:02 AM: Quote from: MoetVillan on August 14, 2016, 10:13:26 PM
Quote from: TB on August 14, 2016, 09:54:33 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on August 14, 2016, 09:43:51 PM
A fair amount of murmurs on Twitter saying we've agreed a fee and personal terms with Amadou Diawara of Bologna.

A fee agreed between Villa and Bologna, yes. But apparently Diawara wanted a move to Roma. Napoli being the next-best option for the player. Personal terms agreed is a new one for me. Has he really agreed to move to Brum? If it's true, what kind of committment can we expect when he obviously wanted a move to an Italian club?

He obviously has yet to savour the brilliance of our city. A few hours here and he will have forgotten all about stinky Rome

with all their bum pinching and handbag snatching
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 15, 2016, 08:03:02 AM: The Jedinak interview is a complete non-story. he was basically asked after the game if he'd be happy to stay at Palace if a move didn't materialise, and he mumbled something like"yeah, definitely." Mis-leading headline writing of the highest order.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 15, 2016, 08:43:03 AM: Quote from: KevinGage on August 14, 2016, 10:18:53 PM
Okore is a lesson to all of us about how good limited video evidence can be when judging a player.

He had the game of his life against Chelsea that evening.

We haven't seen anything like that in a Villa shirt.

One thing that always seems to get overlooked from the YouTube montage of that game against Chelsea, is that Nordsjælland actually lost the game 4-0!!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mallo on August 15, 2016, 10:18:20 AM: The only reservation I would have about Diawara would be that he's going to take a while to get up to speed with the frenetic championship - there's a lot of time on the ball in that youtube clip, but he's good technically and is very quick. As long as it reduces the changes of Gardner or Westwood turning up on the pitch I'm all for it.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Gregorys Boy on August 15, 2016, 10:34:01 AM: Think we need about three more signings myself. Two midfielders, one a defensive, tough tackling type who is also tidy on the ball, and the other a creative player with a little bit of pace who can score a few as well as create them. And I still think we need at least one good full back signing.

Would be good to get the Jedinak signing done this week if it is happening.

Quote from: RussellC on August 15, 2016, 08:43:03 AM
Quote from: KevinGage on August 14, 2016, 10:18:53 PM
Okore is a lesson to all of us about how good limited video evidence can be when judging a player.

He had the game of his life against Chelsea that evening.

We haven't seen anything like that in a Villa shirt.

One thing that always seems to get overlooked from the YouTube montage of that game against Chelsea, is that Nordsjælland actually lost the game 4-0!![/b]

Oh right so we're playing the Okore is suddenly a bad player card now are we? ::) He's a good player, but anyone would look medicore in the Villa team of the last few seasons. His attitude was bad at the end of last season, and I am happy for Chester and Elphick to play ahead of him, but us being in the Championship and his antics at the end of last season doesn't reflect on his on field talent.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 15, 2016, 10:40:57 AM: Quote from: Gregorys Boy on August 15, 2016, 10:34:01 AM
Oh right so we're playing the Okore is suddenly a bad player card now are we? ::) He's a good player, but anyone would look medicore in the Villa team of the last few seasons. His attitude was bad at the end of last season, and I am happy for Chester and Elphick to play ahead of him, but us being in the Championship and his antics at the end of last season doesn't reflect on his on field talent.

Not wanting to hijack another thread with a rant about Okore, but seriously, you're going have to show me some evidence of this "on field talent" because all I've seen in a Villa shirt is a very poor Centre-Back. He looked way, way out of his depth against a League 2 side last week, never mind starting in The Championship.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KRS on August 15, 2016, 10:41:26 AM: I take it you didn't see his performance against Luton then? That certainly wasn't a performance of a "good player" by any stretch of the imagination.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 15, 2016, 10:44:08 AM: And Okore must be about the 10th player that I've seen absolved of blame for last season because "he played in a poor team". The team was poor because of the likes of Okore, not in-spite of them!!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Gregorys Boy on August 15, 2016, 10:47:40 AM: Quote from: KRS on August 15, 2016, 10:41:26 AM
I take it you didn't see his performance against Luton then? That certainly wasn't a performance of a "good player" by any stretch of the imagination.

No he's been rubbish this season, but then I think that is down to him not wanting to be at the club anymore and having a poor attitude. The thing for me is you would stuggle to count on one hand the Villa players who have played well over the last 2-3 seasons. And of course you can't make excuses for the playersm, but like I said the club has been so dire during that time and he is still young player so I kinda understand how his confidence would be a bit low. I still think he's done pretty well when he has played.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Gregorys Boy on August 15, 2016, 10:50:27 AM: Quote from: RussellC on August 15, 2016, 10:44:08 AM
And Okore must be about the 10th player that I've seen absolved of blame for last season because "he played in a poor team". The team was poor because of the likes of Okore, not in-spite of them!!

But I would blame the likes of Gabby, Richards, Lescott who have far more experience ahead of Okore. And the point stands they club has struggled because of mis-management at board level and a string of poor managers. Yes most of the players were awful last season, but the decline had been setting in a long time before then.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 15, 2016, 11:07:27 AM: I think Baker and Okore are good enough cover at centre-half. Get de Laet in and we can dispense with Richards, Hutton and Lescott for good.

Two midfielders in, then sell Westwood.

Maybe buy a striker.

That would do for me. Lots of bad vibes gone.

Sorry, just thinking aloud.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: rob_bridge on August 15, 2016, 11:23:11 AM: Getting rid of the (rest of the) deadwood is as important as bringing in players.

Not just for the wage bill, just the mentality and tone of the club.

Okore has time to atone - he may never be good enough but we need to bin Gabby, Richards and Lescott first.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 15, 2016, 11:26:18 AM: Quote from: Gregorys Boy on August 15, 2016, 10:50:27 AM
Quote from: RussellC on August 15, 2016, 10:44:08 AM
And Okore must be about the 10th player that I've seen absolved of blame for last season because "he played in a poor team". The team was poor because of the likes of Okore, not in-spite of them!!

But I would blame the likes of Gabby, Richards, Lescott who have far more experience ahead of Okore. And the point stands they club has struggled because of mis-management at board level and a string of poor managers. Yes most of the players were awful last season, but the decline had been setting in a long time before then.

For all of his faults off the pitch, I think Lescott was actually our best centre-back last season. Agreed, that Gabby and Richards should shoulder more of the blame, but Okore was still diabolical on a number of occasions.

He's been a central figure in some of our most horrendous defeats in recent years (the thrashing at St Mary's, 6-0 at home to Liverpool, numerous dickings by Arsenal) and ahs looked way out of his depth on each occasion. I can honestly say that I've never come away from a game having thought he'd played well or looked anything other than decidedly dodgy.

Like Clark, his win-percentage in a Villa shirt must be horrifically low (I'm too scared to even attempt to Google it!) and 'that goal' against Luton last week will only have damaged him further. Elphick is conclusive evidence of how far intelligence and a strong mentality can get you as a Centre-Back and Okore has consistently failed to display either of these.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 15, 2016, 11:29:41 AM: Quote from: Gregorys Boy on August 15, 2016, 10:47:40 AM
Quote from: KRS on August 15, 2016, 10:41:26 AM
I take it you didn't see his performance against Luton then? That certainly wasn't a performance of a "good player" by any stretch of the imagination.

No he's been rubbish this season, but then I think that is down to him not wanting to be at the club anymore and having a poor attitude. The thing for me is you would stuggle to count on one hand the Villa players who have played well over the last 2-3 seasons. And of course you can't make excuses for the playersm, but like I said the club has been so dire during that time and he is still young player so I kinda understand how his confidence would be a bit low. I still think he's done pretty well when he has played.

Okore actually played in our best defensive run of the season...clean sheets v Norwich, West Brom and Palace and we only conceded 1 goal v Leicester in that period aswell.

Then it all collapsed during the Liverpool game but we didn't see him much after that. He was shocking v Luton, don't think anyone's going to argue that.

I would still keep him around though...in last year of his contract so hardly anyone will bid or want him. Just keep him as cover as 4th choice.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: pbavfckuwait on August 15, 2016, 12:49:01 PM: Diawara I think would be one for the future, looking to get back up this year, maybe a major player for us on our return, having had a settling in period this season.
Jedi would be very nice and add that much needed steel, De Latt a bonus, but as stated we need to dispense of a good few, get Gabby, Richards, Lescott, Westwood and a few others out on loan, or middling fees and remember we still have our own loans to use if required, I think if they spunk out big bucks for Diawara, Jedi loans would be the way to go for two others.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VillaAlways on August 15, 2016, 12:52:46 PM: New signing to be announced after tomorrow's game according to the Doc

As we can't complete all paper works before tomorrow,we'll announce after tomorrow's game! Hope all u will be happy!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tuscans on August 15, 2016, 02:04:21 PM: Jedinak, £4 million, medical and visa to sorted.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mallo on August 15, 2016, 02:08:04 PM: Supposedly Jedinak £4M if the jungle drums are to be believed.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mallo on August 15, 2016, 02:08:35 PM: Darn, beaten by Tuscans :-(
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: berneboy on August 15, 2016, 02:15:11 PM: @patmurphy says it's Jedinak but needs medical and something about visa as he's Aussie.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: CJ on August 15, 2016, 02:30:59 PM: I wonder if the visa thing will become more of an issue once we're out of the EU and the current freedom of movement rules change
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: rob_bridge on August 15, 2016, 02:43:18 PM: Quote from: CJ on August 15, 2016, 02:30:59 PM
I wonder if the visa thing will become more of an issue once we're out of the EU and the current freedom of movement rules change

It depends what the updated rules are. I'd suspect proof of existing prior to entry (easier for some than others) funds and a contract job offer would be used as some form of qualifier.
It should (in theory I hasten to add) make development of younger home grown talent more of a priority.

If any Private Sector employer wished to hire from abroad there should be one serious condition - make sure said employer is demonstrating what he/she is doing to fill any homegrown skill shortage longer term (Training courses, education, apprenticeships etc. ) which should be relatively easy for football clubs.
In fact it should be easy for any decent company.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 15, 2016, 02:45:18 PM: Quote from: CJ on August 15, 2016, 02:30:59 PM
I wonder if the visa thing will become more of an issue once we're out of the EU and the current freedom of movement rules change

Well if we signed a trade agreement with Australia and New Zealand (has been mooted) it would make this one easier.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 15, 2016, 02:47:04 PM: Whilst a good signing, £4m for a 32 year-old seems a bit steep!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: nigel on August 15, 2016, 02:48:52 PM: Quote from: CJ on August 15, 2016, 02:30:59 PM
I wonder if the visa thing will become more of an issue once we're out of the EU and the current freedom of movement rules change

I don't know, but, I'd think the opposite.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on August 15, 2016, 02:49:02 PM: Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on August 15, 2016, 02:45:18 PM
Quote from: CJ on August 15, 2016, 02:30:59 PM
I wonder if the visa thing will become more of an issue once we're out of the EU and the current freedom of movement rules change

Well if we signed a trade agreement with Australia and New Zealand (has been mooted) it would make this one easier.
At the risk of polluting this with "Should we stay or go stuff", only if that deal includes free movement of people, which is the supposedly the whole point of Brexit, that you can have free movement of goods and services without free movement of people, so no such a deal wouldn't include freedom of movement unless the whole premise is bunkum.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: eamonn on August 15, 2016, 02:51:55 PM: Quote from: RussellC on August 15, 2016, 02:47:04 PM
Whilst a good signing, £4m for a 32 year-old seems a bit steep!

As long as he's fit and he knows it.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on August 15, 2016, 02:53:13 PM: Quote from: Villa in Denmark on August 15, 2016, 02:49:02 PM
At the risk of polluting this with "Should we stay or go stuff",

A H&V thread going off on a tangent......nope, that never happens
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: MoetVillan on August 15, 2016, 03:00:38 PM: I think with the way we are spending money, promotion has to happen this year. Im worried that if we don't make it, we will get a whammy of high wages, tiny parachute payments left and competing against next years drop downs with the far bigger parachutes really worries me.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villafirst on August 15, 2016, 03:09:51 PM: Quote from: RussellC on August 15, 2016, 02:47:04 PM
Whilst a good signing, £4m for a 32 year-old seems a bit steep!

Do you think so? £100m guaranteed TV money in the Premier League from now on with the new deal.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 15, 2016, 03:12:57 PM: Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on August 15, 2016, 02:45:18 PM
Quote from: CJ on August 15, 2016, 02:30:59 PM
I wonder if the visa thing will become more of an issue once we're out of the EU and the current freedom of movement rules change

Well if we signed a trade agreement with Australia and New Zealand (has been mooted) it would make this one easier.

We can't even begin to negotiate one until we leave (2 and a half years at the earliest). China said if we had 600 negotiators like they have it would take ten years to agree one with them. We have 24, who have to negotiate our exit from EU, our future relationship with EU, the 50-odd existing trade deals we currently have through the EU, replacing trade deals we have with the 27 remaining EU members and the replacement for the hugely complex legislation that is the Commin Agricultural Policy.

I think he might be a bit past it by the time we get round to bothering to negotiate new agreements about the relatively tiny bit of trade we'll do with Australia and New Zealand.

Or probably in a home.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 15, 2016, 03:14:29 PM: Quote from: Villafirst on August 15, 2016, 03:09:51 PM
Quote from: RussellC on August 15, 2016, 02:47:04 PM
Whilst a good signing, £4m for a 32 year-old seems a bit steep!

Do you think so? £100m guaranteed TV money in the Premier League from now on with the new deal.

And if we don't get promoted? I see your point, but he only has one year left on his contract too. I would have thought £2m tops would be about right.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on August 15, 2016, 03:14:47 PM: Quote from: Villafirst on August 15, 2016, 03:09:51 PM
Quote from: RussellC on August 15, 2016, 02:47:04 PM
Whilst a good signing, £4m for a 32 year-old seems a bit steep!

Do you think so? £100m guaranteed TV money in the Premier League from now on with the new deal.

Newsflash, we aren't in the premier league
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 15, 2016, 03:24:12 PM: One thing that’s been really pleasing about the window so far is that it seems to be the first one in a long while where the relevant people have realised the need for balance within the squad. We’ve bought youth (and potential) in the likes of Gollini and Tshibola, experience with Elphick, McCormack and (hopefully) Jedinak and obviously done our due diligence on deals like Chester where he’s turned down a Premier League Club to join us. It certainly seems a lot more considered than any other season in recent memory, and that includes the MON years when Guzan was the only player that it looked like the Scouts had actually had to do any work aside from watching MOTD to find.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: paul_e on August 15, 2016, 03:44:12 PM: Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on August 15, 2016, 03:14:47 PM
Quote from: Villafirst on August 15, 2016, 03:09:51 PM
Quote from: RussellC on August 15, 2016, 02:47:04 PM
Whilst a good signing, £4m for a 32 year-old seems a bit steep!

Do you think so? £100m guaranteed TV money in the Premier League from now on with the new deal.

Newsflash, we aren't in the premier league

Which is why we're spending £4m on a 32 year old leader in midfield to help us get back there. If he contributes to us getting promoted then he's worth every penny, that's the only way to look at these signings right now, their value is all about us getting back up, if it happens then we've go the spending right and all the extra money will come back from th enew TV deal.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: chrisw1 on August 15, 2016, 03:58:31 PM: I think he will be very good for us, but £4 million for a 32 year old they are effectively pushing out the door and has been a great long term servant to them is a bit rich.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 15, 2016, 04:05:29 PM: Quote from: RussellC on August 15, 2016, 02:47:04 PM
Whilst a good signing, £4m for a 32 year-old seems a bit steep!

More leadership at a football club that has been completely devoid of it is absolutely priceless. And the goal and rewards far exceeds what we will pay for the likes of him and Elphick or even McCormack.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Richard E on August 15, 2016, 04:06:47 PM: Quote from: chrisw1 on August 15, 2016, 03:58:31 PM
I think he will be very good for us, but £4 million for a 32 year old they are effectively pushing out the door and has been a great long term servant to them is a bit rich.

If it gives Palace enough of a "war chest" (sigh) that they see off any attempt by the Baggies to gazump them on Benteke then just this once I'll forgive them.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cdward on August 15, 2016, 04:15:51 PM: Quote from: MoetVillan on August 15, 2016, 03:00:38 PM
I think with the way we are spending money, promotion has to happen this year. Im worried that if we don't make it, we will get a whammy of high wages, tiny parachute payments left and competing against next years drop downs with the far bigger parachutes really worries me.

Don't worry, be happy.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 15, 2016, 04:17:53 PM: Quote from: chrisw1 on August 15, 2016, 03:58:31 PM
I think he will be very good for us, but £4 million for a 32 year old they are effectively pushing out the door and has been a great long term servant to them is a bit rich.

Ginola was 33 and we spent 3.5 million on him when there was far less money around
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 15, 2016, 04:22:03 PM: Quote from: VILLA MOLE on August 15, 2016, 04:17:53 PM
Quote from: chrisw1 on August 15, 2016, 03:58:31 PM
I think he will be very good for us, but £4 million for a 32 year old they are effectively pushing out the door and has been a great long term servant to them is a bit rich.

Ginola was 33 and we spent 3.5 million on him when there was far less money around

And that turned-out to be a colossal waste of cash!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 15, 2016, 04:23:41 PM: Quote from: RussellC on August 15, 2016, 04:22:03 PM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on August 15, 2016, 04:17:53 PM
Quote from: chrisw1 on August 15, 2016, 03:58:31 PM
I think he will be very good for us, but £4 million for a 32 year old they are effectively pushing out the door and has been a great long term servant to them is a bit rich.

Ginola was 33 and we spent 3.5 million on him when there was far less money around

And that turned-out to be a colossal waste of cash!

not for the ladies , sexist I know
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mallo on August 15, 2016, 05:12:38 PM: Might be an old link but Cheikh Ndoye mentioned again - he's a unit all right - plus Captain of his club.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villafirst on August 15, 2016, 05:35:04 PM: Quote from: paul_e on August 15, 2016, 03:44:12 PM
Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on August 15, 2016, 03:14:47 PM
Quote from: Villafirst on August 15, 2016, 03:09:51 PM
Quote from: RussellC on August 15, 2016, 02:47:04 PM
Whilst a good signing, £4m for a 32 year-old seems a bit steep!

Do you think so? £100m guaranteed TV money in the Premier League from now on with the new deal.

Newsflash, we aren't in the premier league

Which is why we're spending £4m on a 32 year old leader in midfield to help us get back there. If he contributes to us getting promoted then he's worth every penny, that's the only way to look at these signings right now, their value is all about us getting back up, if it happens then we've go the spending right and all the extra money will come back from th enew TV deal.
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Agree - I'm glad someone realised what I was getting at!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on August 15, 2016, 05:46:28 PM: Quote from: mallo on August 15, 2016, 05:12:38 PM
Might be an old link but Cheikh Ndoye mentioned again - he's a unit all right - plus Captain of his club.

Plays for SCO Angers? Isn't that the same side Jonathan Kodjia of Bristol City played for?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on August 15, 2016, 07:34:12 PM: Quote from: RussellC on August 15, 2016, 04:22:03 PM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on August 15, 2016, 04:17:53 PM
Quote from: chrisw1 on August 15, 2016, 03:58:31 PM
I think he will be very good for us, but £4 million for a 32 year old they are effectively pushing out the door and has been a great long term servant to them is a bit rich.

Ginola was 33 and we spent 3.5 million on him when there was far less money around

And that turned-out to be a colossal waste of cash!

was it true that because his arse was so big they had to have his shorts made especially?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 15, 2016, 07:39:23 PM: Quote from: VILLA MOLE on August 15, 2016, 04:17:53 PM
Quote from: chrisw1 on August 15, 2016, 03:58:31 PM
I think he will be very good for us, but £4 million for a 32 year old they are effectively pushing out the door and has been a great long term servant to them is a bit rich.

Didn't we sign Habib Beye for a similar amount at a similar age a few years back.

O.k not a great example but obviously transfer fees have rocketed since MONconomics and it filters down...I don't think he's any more overpriced than McCormack was.

He's exactly what our midfield needs imo so at 4m I reckon he'll be good value. Better value than Tonev, Sanchez and all the other jokers we've signed for 3-4m in last 5 years.

Ginola was 33 and we spent 3.5 million on him when there was far less money around
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: OCD on August 15, 2016, 09:49:41 PM: Could Ndoye be an alternative in the event that Diawarra doesn't happen?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: b23 on August 15, 2016, 10:44:21 PM: Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 15, 2016, 03:12:57 PM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on August 15, 2016, 02:45:18 PM
Quote from: CJ on August 15, 2016, 02:30:59 PM
I wonder if the visa thing will become more of an issue once we're out of the EU and the current freedom of movement rules change

Well if we signed a trade agreement with Australia and New Zealand (has been mooted) it would make this one easier.

We can't even begin to negotiate one until we leave (2 and a half years at the earliest). China said if we had 600 negotiators like they have it would take ten years to agree one with them. We have 24, who have to negotiate our exit from EU, our future relationship with EU, the 50-odd existing trade deals we currently have through the EU, replacing trade deals we have with the 27 remaining EU members and the replacement for the hugely complex legislation that is the Commin Agricultural Policy.

I think he might be a bit past it by the time we get round to bothering to negotiate new agreements about the relatively tiny bit of trade we'll do with Australia and New Zealand.

Or probably in a home.

That clears it all up then.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 15, 2016, 11:49:47 PM: Quote from: b23 on August 15, 2016, 10:44:21 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 15, 2016, 03:12:57 PM
Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on August 15, 2016, 02:45:18 PM
Quote from: CJ on August 15, 2016, 02:30:59 PM
I wonder if the visa thing will become more of an issue once we're out of the EU and the current freedom of movement rules change

Well if we signed a trade agreement with Australia and New Zealand (has been mooted) it would make this one easier.

We can't even begin to negotiate one until we leave (2 and a half years at the earliest). China said if we had 600 negotiators like they have it would take ten years to agree one with them. We have 24, who have to negotiate our exit from EU, our future relationship with EU, the 50-odd existing trade deals we currently have through the EU, replacing trade deals we have with the 27 remaining EU members and the replacement for the hugely complex legislation that is the Commin Agricultural Policy.

I think he might be a bit past it by the time we get round to bothering to negotiate new agreements about the relatively tiny bit of trade we'll do with Australia and New Zealand.

Or probably in a home.

That clears it all up then.

There must have been half a dozen posters trying to explain something really simple to you in another thread the other day, and you still didn't get it.

I know, I know - it's not a general election.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on August 15, 2016, 11:50:57 PM: Is the reported Bamford deal a loan or permanent?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tuscans on August 15, 2016, 11:55:11 PM: Quote from: PeterWithe on August 15, 2016, 11:50:57 PM
Is the reported Bamford deal a loan or permanent?
The last few days it has been reported as a loan.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on August 16, 2016, 12:36:33 AM: Think it is time for Chelsea to sell him as he is not getting football at Chelsea.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on August 16, 2016, 02:47:48 AM: Quote from: Salsa Party Animal on August 16, 2016, 12:36:33 AM
Think it is time for Chelsea to sell him as he is not getting football at Chelsea.

Similar Victor Moses. He's a place filler. Always goes away on holiday tours with Chelsea squad then latter days of window makes a loan move to some dwindling but deluded aspirational prem club . Likes a tour of uk Liverpool Stoke West ham . Wouldn't mind him at villa but seems to attract premier league . Bamford what I hear and see doesn't even get that much action. Was unlucky at palace and Norwich last season but was more than capable with Boro. A confidence player and needs to ne in right set up. Hopefully rdm and Stevie Clark can bring him on.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 16, 2016, 07:26:04 AM: If we do get De Laet and Bamford in, then I think you would be hard pushed to have asked for a better transfer window. Experience in Tommy, Chester, Jedinak and McCormack through the spine, potential in Bamford and Tishbola but already shown they are quality at this level, a right back that's not Hutton and what looks to me a very promising young keeper.

Maybe a creative midfielder and a winger light of ideal but way stronger than the end of the season.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 16, 2016, 07:39:05 AM: Quote from: ozzjim on August 16, 2016, 07:26:04 AM
If we do get De Laet and Bamford in, then I think you would be hard pushed to have asked for a better transfer window. Experience in Tommy, Chester, Jedinak and McCormack through the spine, potential in Bamford and Tishbola but already shown they are quality at this level, a right back that's not Hutton and what looks to me a very promising young keeper.

Maybe a creative midfielder and a winger light of ideal but way stronger than the end of the season.

Generally agree, but to add a note of caution. My guess is the this level of spending will put us beyond the FFP criteria, therefore if we do net get promoted next summer* then we could face sanctions the following year. As a lot of the signed players will have limited sell-on value we might face having to sell the Ayew/Grealish/"crown jewels" to balance the books.

That said, I don't think there was a realistic alternative option.

*I cannot remember the club but a recently promoted team overspent based on their championship earnings but the extra TV money in the PL meant they escaped sanction.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: murfee on August 16, 2016, 07:43:16 AM: Im sure i read somewhere that FFP doesnt count under the first year of new ownership. I may be wrong.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Chris Jameson on August 16, 2016, 07:59:40 AM: I think Bournemouth were the club Dante.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 16, 2016, 08:44:52 AM: Quote from: murfee on August 16, 2016, 07:43:16 AM
Im sure i read somewhere that FFP doesnt count under the first year of new ownership. I may be wrong.

Yes, I keep posting it, but can't remember if I've read any confirmation in reply.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: MonsXI on August 16, 2016, 08:46:42 AM: Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 16, 2016, 07:39:05 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 16, 2016, 07:26:04 AM
If we do get De Laet and Bamford in, then I think you would be hard pushed to have asked for a better transfer window. Experience in Tommy, Chester, Jedinak and McCormack through the spine, potential in Bamford and Tishbola but already shown they are quality at this level, a right back that's not Hutton and what looks to me a very promising young keeper.

Maybe a creative midfielder and a winger light of ideal but way stronger than the end of the season.

Generally agree, but to add a note of caution. My guess is the this level of spending will put us beyond the FFP criteria, therefore if we do net get promoted next summer* then we could face sanctions the following year. As a lot of the signed players will have limited sell-on value we might face having to sell the Ayew/Grealish/"crown jewels" to balance the books.

That said, I don't think there was a realistic alternative option.

*I cannot remember the club but a recently promoted team overspent based on their championship earnings but the extra TV money in the PL meant they escaped sanction.

Surely the parachute payments will cover the outlay?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on August 16, 2016, 08:47:27 AM: Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 16, 2016, 07:39:05 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 16, 2016, 07:26:04 AM
If we do get De Laet and Bamford in, then I think you would be hard pushed to have asked for a better transfer window. Experience in Tommy, Chester, Jedinak and McCormack through the spine, potential in Bamford and Tishbola but already shown they are quality at this level, a right back that's not Hutton and what looks to me a very promising young keeper.

Maybe a creative midfielder and a winger light of ideal but way stronger than the end of the season.

Generally agree, but to add a note of caution. My guess is the this level of spending will put us beyond the FFP criteria, therefore if we do net get promoted next summer* then we could face sanctions the following year. As a lot of the signed players will have limited sell-on value we might face having to sell the Ayew/Grealish/"crown jewels" to balance the books.

That said, I don't think there was a realistic alternative option.

*I cannot remember the club but a recently promoted team overspent based on their championship earnings but the extra TV money in the PL meant they escaped sanction.

Bournemouth received a £7m fine, and presumably laughed as they peeled £50 notes from their £100m+ Premier League windfall.

Middlesbrough will be dealt with similarly harshly this year.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: chrisw1 on August 16, 2016, 09:00:45 AM: I imagine it could bite if the gamble doesn't pay off though.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on August 16, 2016, 09:26:23 AM: Quote from: chrisw1 on August 16, 2016, 09:00:45 AM
I imagine it could bite if the gamble doesn't pay off though.

In terms of our total income and spending ability, don't forget that us, Norwich and Newcastle are each £40m up this season alone because of the first parachute payment.

That's a lot of extra spending power.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 16, 2016, 09:29:43 AM: I hope if Westwood does end up going to Burnley we replace him as well as getting Jedinak, even if only getting someone in on loan. Gardner and tshibola are injury prone and would leave us pretty short if Westwood goes.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: fredm on August 16, 2016, 10:00:17 AM: Quote from: Dave on August 16, 2016, 08:47:27 AM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 16, 2016, 07:39:05 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 16, 2016, 07:26:04 AM
If we do get De Laet and Bamford in, then I think you would be hard pushed to have asked for a better transfer window. Experience in Tommy, Chester, Jedinak and McCormack through the spine, potential in Bamford and Tishbola but already shown they are quality at this level, a right back that's not Hutton and what looks to me a very promising young keeper.

Maybe a creative midfielder and a winger light of ideal but way stronger than the end of the season.

Generally agree, but to add a note of caution. My guess is the this level of spending will put us beyond the FFP criteria, therefore if we do net get promoted next summer* then we could face sanctions the following year. As a lot of the signed players will have limited sell-on value we might face having to sell the Ayew/Grealish/"crown jewels" to balance the books.

That said, I don't think there was a realistic alternative option.

*I cannot remember the club but a recently promoted team overspent based on their championship earnings but the extra TV money in the PL meant they escaped sanction.

Bournemouth received a £7m fine, and presumably laughed as they peeled £50 notes from their £100m+ Premier League windfall.

Middlesbrough will be dealt with similarly harshly this year.

Surely if we are successful over the season, our income will be far greater than the income Bournemouth and Boro achieved? A 33k gate for the first match against Rotherham IMO would be the lower end of attendances if we are winning and pushing for promotion.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on August 16, 2016, 10:04:14 AM: Burnley just signed Defour (remember when we were linked with him for a bit?) for a club record fee, which would seem to make it unlikely that they would go on and then spend another chunk of money on Westwood.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on August 16, 2016, 10:31:41 AM: I don't think that Pointy will leave (especially after Burnley signed Defour). Maybe Gardner will be sent out on loan again or possibly released ?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: maidstonevillain on August 16, 2016, 10:43:58 AM: Quote from: fredm on August 16, 2016, 10:00:17 AM
Quote from: Dave on August 16, 2016, 08:47:27 AM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 16, 2016, 07:39:05 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 16, 2016, 07:26:04 AM
If we do get De Laet and Bamford in, then I think you would be hard pushed to have asked for a better transfer window. Experience in Tommy, Chester, Jedinak and McCormack through the spine, potential in Bamford and Tishbola but already shown they are quality at this level, a right back that's not Hutton and what looks to me a very promising young keeper.

Maybe a creative midfielder and a winger light of ideal but way stronger than the end of the season.

Generally agree, but to add a note of caution. My guess is the this level of spending will put us beyond the FFP criteria, therefore if we do net get promoted next summer* then we could face sanctions the following year. As a lot of the signed players will have limited sell-on value we might face having to sell the Ayew/Grealish/"crown jewels" to balance the books.

That said, I don't think there was a realistic alternative option.

*I cannot remember the club but a recently promoted team overspent based on their championship earnings but the extra TV money in the PL meant they escaped sanction.

Bournemouth received a £7m fine, and presumably laughed as they peeled £50 notes from their £100m+ Premier League windfall.

Middlesbrough will be dealt with similarly harshly this year.

Surely if we are successful over the season, our income will be far greater than the income Bournemouth and Boro achieved? A 33k gate for the first match against Rotherham IMO would be the lower end of attendances if we are winning and pushing for promotion.

But if it is based on our spending this financial year, surely much of our Premier League income will count.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on August 16, 2016, 11:10:00 AM: Quote from: UK Redsox on August 16, 2016, 10:31:41 AM
I don't think that Pointy will leave (especially after Burnley signed Defour). Maybe Gardner will be sent out on loan again or possibly released ?
Agreed UKR.
Westwood is a tidy but somewhat ineffectual player...but in a better side/against weaker opposition he inevitably contributes more. He broke up play a few times on Saturday and passed the ball forward on at least two occasions. We need more than that from a top Championship player, but he's pretty sound back up.
I'd let Gardner go. Except when he was playing for the U21s I've seen nothing from him to make me think he will make it at this level or above.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Havencheese on August 16, 2016, 11:28:07 AM: I think Westwood's contribution will be adequate at this level, in fact he may prove a majority of us wrong and be a bit better than that. He may have more time for creativity and chip in with a few more goals than in the top flight. Either way, it might be worth taking a punt on another young central mid like Tish.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 16, 2016, 12:10:06 PM: I went out with a lovely girl called Tish (Itisha). Tall (5'11) and black like our Tish, the only problem was her insistence on wearing heels and her tender years (17, but she lied and told me she was 18). I was 34 at the time. It all combined to make me feel self-conscious* like Heff or Bernie Ecclestone with some dolly bird.

Which I still do with the current one to be fair.

*I don't feel that self-conscious, obvs.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on August 16, 2016, 12:24:29 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on August 16, 2016, 07:26:04 AM
If we do get De Laet and Bamford in, then I think you would be hard pushed to have asked for a better transfer window. Experience in Tommy, Chester, Jedinak and McCormack through the spine, potential in Bamford and Tishbola but already shown they are quality at this level, a right back that's not Hutton and what looks to me a very promising young keeper.
Maybe a creative midfielder and a winger light of ideal but way stronger than the end of the season.

To be honest, if we do get those players in, I think we would have a side that would be more than capable of doing decently in the Premier League.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cyrilina on August 16, 2016, 12:38:41 PM: I know its only the Star - but they seem to suggest personal terms agreed and everything in place and that Diawara will be confirmed today http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/538205/Amadou-Diawara-Aston-Villa-transfer-news-gossip That would be a statement to all concerned!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Hookeysmith on August 16, 2016, 12:56:32 PM: €17 million on a virtually unknown is a lot for this league or evn the premiership at the moment

I hope he is worth it
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Des Little on August 16, 2016, 01:36:04 PM: I'd like to hear more about Percy's leggy young bird if possible?

* For research purposes - I'm writing a book you see
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on August 16, 2016, 01:43:22 PM: Quote from: cyrilina on August 16, 2016, 12:38:41 PM
I know its only the Star - but they seem to suggest personal terms agreed and everything in place and that Diawara will be confirmed today http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/538205/Amadou-Diawara-Aston-Villa-transfer-news-gossip That would be a statement to all concerned!

It would, but they're quoting a report in Tuttosport who are pretty shoddy. It would be a bit like a rubbish Italian paper quoting a report in The Metro as their source.

Which doesn't mean that it won't happen, but The Star don't have anything new to add to the story.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 16, 2016, 01:54:05 PM: Quote from: Des Little on August 16, 2016, 01:36:04 PM
I'd like to hear more about Percy's leggy young bird if possible?

* For research purposes - I'm writing a book you see

Steady on.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oldtimernow on August 16, 2016, 01:57:06 PM: Quote from: Des Little on August 16, 2016, 01:36:04 PM
I'd like to hear more about Percy's leggy young bird if possible?

* For research purposes - I'm writing a book you see

Historical or Self -help ?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: eamonn on August 16, 2016, 02:01:41 PM: Quote from: Hookeysmith on August 16, 2016, 12:56:32 PM
€17 million on a virtually unknown is a lot for this league or evn the premiership at the moment

I hope he is worth it

I'm still hoping Traore is...I think we should be looking at more proven players to strengthen the remaining weak areas of the team i.e right back before a luxury signing but Tony's got it covered, right ?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sid1964 on August 16, 2016, 04:51:31 PM: I worry about the amount of cash that we are splashing about, hopefully we won't get in the same mess as under Lerner, where we are losing £50 million + per season
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: villadelph on August 16, 2016, 04:57:35 PM: Quote from: sid1964 on August 16, 2016, 04:51:31 PM
I worry about the amount of cash that we are splashing about, hopefully we won't get in the same mess as under Lerner, where we are losing £50 million + per season

Lerner was an imbecile.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villafirst on August 16, 2016, 05:06:49 PM: Quote from: villadelph on August 16, 2016, 04:57:35 PM
Quote from: sid1964 on August 16, 2016, 04:51:31 PM
I worry about the amount of cash that we are splashing about, hopefully we won't get in the same mess as under Lerner, where we are losing £50 million + per season

Lerner was an imbecile.

Agree. I can't understand why people are worried at our spending. For 5 years people have moaned at austerity - and look where we ended up. I'm all for signing players to reverse the mess created by Lerner and his cronies.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: darren woolley on August 16, 2016, 05:09:13 PM: Quote from: Villafirst on August 16, 2016, 05:06:49 PM
Quote from: villadelph on August 16, 2016, 04:57:35 PM
Quote from: sid1964 on August 16, 2016, 04:51:31 PM
I worry about the amount of cash that we are splashing about, hopefully we won't get in the same mess as under Lerner, where we are losing £50 million + per season

Lerner was an imbecile.

Agree. I can't understand why people are worried at our spending. For 5 years people have moaned at austerity - and look where we ended up. I'm all for signing players to reverse the mess created by Lerner and his cronies.

I agree with you Villafirst.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Stirchley Villain on August 16, 2016, 05:28:04 PM: Quote from: villadelph on August 16, 2016, 04:57:35 PM
Quote from: sid1964 on August 16, 2016, 04:51:31 PM
I worry about the amount of cash that we are splashing about, hopefully we won't get in the same mess as under Lerner, where we are losing £50 million + per season

Lerner was an imbecile.

Dr X obviously isn't...
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 16, 2016, 05:37:03 PM: I think the players all look great value and seems to be players who all their clubs fans are gutted they have left.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KevinGage on August 16, 2016, 05:44:28 PM: Quote from: Hookeysmith on August 16, 2016, 12:56:32 PM
€17 million on a virtually unknown is a lot for this league or evn the premiership at the moment

I hope he is worth it

Would have no problem at all with this type of deal.

In the current game, if you wait another year or two until he is a bit older and more well known, the price suddenly jumps to £30 million.

I do have some doubts about Di Matteo as a manager, but I have few doubts that he knows his own league. If he thinks he's worth it (and Juve and Napoli seem to agree) he must have seen something in him.

All that said, I have never been aware of the Daily Star breaking a major transfer before, so I am 99.9% certain they are minesweeping Twitter to fill space.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 16, 2016, 05:46:19 PM: If we wait another year or two we might not be able to get him as EU players may need a work permit.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Edvard Remberg on August 16, 2016, 05:52:53 PM: Quote from: Stirchley Villain on August 16, 2016, 05:28:04 PM
Quote from: villadelph on August 16, 2016, 04:57:35 PM
Quote from: sid1964 on August 16, 2016, 04:51:31 PM
I worry about the amount of cash that we are splashing about, hopefully we won't get in the same mess as under Lerner, where we are losing £50 million + per season

Lerner was an imbecile.

Dr X obviously isn't...
Please post the real world recipe for how the club should be run.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: villadelph on August 16, 2016, 05:57:22 PM: Quote from: Edvard Remberg on August 16, 2016, 05:52:53 PM
Quote from: Stirchley Villain on August 16, 2016, 05:28:04 PM
Quote from: villadelph on August 16, 2016, 04:57:35 PM
Quote from: sid1964 on August 16, 2016, 04:51:31 PM
I worry about the amount of cash that we are splashing about, hopefully we won't get in the same mess as under Lerner, where we are losing £50 million + per season

Lerner was an imbecile.

Dr X obviously isn't...
Please post the real world recipe for how the club should be run.

Strip all the assets and adopt a sell to buy policy.. again. ::)

What's all the fuss about. The man pledged 30 - 40m in transfer funds when he got here. If it all goes pear-shaped and he digs his head into the sand like his predecessor than we can dust off our pitchforks. Enjoy the new signings while we can.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Edvard Remberg on August 16, 2016, 06:00:34 PM: And he did commit funds for running operations for 24 months ? So 22 before fubar
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Stirchley Villain on August 16, 2016, 06:25:03 PM: Quote from: Edvard Remberg on August 16, 2016, 05:52:53 PM
Quote from: Stirchley Villain on August 16, 2016, 05:28:04 PM
Quote from: villadelph on August 16, 2016, 04:57:35 PM
Quote from: sid1964 on August 16, 2016, 04:51:31 PM
I worry about the amount of cash that we are splashing about, hopefully we won't get in the same mess as under Lerner, where we are losing £50 million + per season

Lerner was an imbecile.

Dr X obviously isn't...
Please post the real world recipe for how the club should be run.

Who.? Me.?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Edvard Remberg on August 16, 2016, 06:53:18 PM: Quote from: Stirchley Villain on August 16, 2016, 06:25:03 PM
Quote from: Edvard Remberg on August 16, 2016, 05:52:53 PM
Quote from: Stirchley Villain on August 16, 2016, 05:28:04 PM
Quote from: villadelph on August 16, 2016, 04:57:35 PM
Quote from: sid1964 on August 16, 2016, 04:51:31 PM
I worry about the amount of cash that we are splashing about, hopefully we won't get in the same mess as under Lerner, where we are losing £50 million + per season

Lerner was an imbecile.

Dr X obviously isn't...
Please post the real world recipe for how the club should be run.

Who.? Me.?
:) if you can - or anyone who think we are spending too much (Who would have thought that).

There is no such thing as sure success, except that if you do not work for it, you will definitely not have success (Lerner)
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on August 16, 2016, 07:12:38 PM: Quote from: villadelph on August 16, 2016, 05:57:22 PM
Quote from: Edvard Remberg on August 16, 2016, 05:52:53 PM
Quote from: Stirchley Villain on August 16, 2016, 05:28:04 PM
Quote from: villadelph on August 16, 2016, 04:57:35 PM
Quote from: sid1964 on August 16, 2016, 04:51:31 PM
I worry about the amount of cash that we are splashing about, hopefully we won't get in the same mess as under Lerner, where we are losing £50 million + per season

Lerner was an imbecile.

Dr X obviously isn't...
Please post the real world recipe for how the club should be run.

Strip all the assets and adopt a sell to buy policy.. again. ::)

What's all the fuss about. The man pledged 30 - 40m in transfer funds when he got here. If it all goes pear-shaped and he digs his head into the sand like his predecessor than we can dust off our pitchforks. Enjoy the new signings while we can.

Arrrrrggggghhhhhhh!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Stirchley Villain on August 16, 2016, 07:20:25 PM: Quote from: Edvard Remberg on August 16, 2016, 06:53:18 PM
Quote from: Stirchley Villain on August 16, 2016, 06:25:03 PM
Quote from: Edvard Remberg on August 16, 2016, 05:52:53 PM
Quote from: Stirchley Villain on August 16, 2016, 05:28:04 PM
Quote from: villadelph on August 16, 2016, 04:57:35 PM
Quote from: sid1964 on August 16, 2016, 04:51:31 PM
I worry about the amount of cash that we are splashing about, hopefully we won't get in the same mess as under Lerner, where we are losing £50 million + per season

Lerner was an imbecile.

Dr X obviously isn't...
Please post the real world recipe for how the club should be run.

Who.? Me.?
:) if you can - or anyone who think we are spending too much (Who would have thought that).

There is no such thing as sure success, except that if you do not work for it, you will definitely not have success (Lerner)

Who says I think we're spending too much? Although I think we might be gambling on Permier League money next year.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on August 16, 2016, 08:57:43 PM: Quote from: Stirchley Villain on August 16, 2016, 07:20:25 PM
Quote from: Edvard Remberg on August 16, 2016, 06:53:18 PM
Quote from: Stirchley Villain on August 16, 2016, 06:25:03 PM
Quote from: Edvard Remberg on August 16, 2016, 05:52:53 PM
Quote from: Stirchley Villain on August 16, 2016, 05:28:04 PM
Quote from: villadelph on August 16, 2016, 04:57:35 PM
Quote from: sid1964 on August 16, 2016, 04:51:31 PM
I worry about the amount of cash that we are splashing about, hopefully we won't get in the same mess as under Lerner, where we are losing £50 million + per season

Lerner was an imbecile.

Dr X obviously isn't...
Please post the real world recipe for how the club should be run.

Who.? Me.?
:) if you can - or anyone who think we are spending too much (Who would have thought that).

There is no such thing as sure success, except that if you do not work for it, you will definitely not have success (Lerner)

Who says I think we're spending too much? Although I think we might be gambling on Permier League money next year.
The ideal situation is that we get this window right and then for the next couple of summers we only need to spend 20 (for that first season back in the Prem to supplement our quality) and then operate on a sell and buy policy. Lerner never managed that. O Neill rebuilt our defence 3 summers running and had no sell on value on almost anyone at the back that he bought.
It's not about being a selling club persay but about buying and selling in the right circumstances.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 16, 2016, 09:32:14 PM: Quote from: supertom on August 16, 2016, 08:57:43 PM
The ideal situation is that we get this window right and then for the next couple of summers we only need to spend 20 (for that first season back in the Prem to supplement our quality).

Valid point, but you've assumed promotion there. The risk is missing it and incurring sanctions where we cannot sign players, less parachute payments and our better players wanting out. It could quickly snowball. I'm not saying that will happen but it is a possibility.

Personally I think it is a calculated risk and one worth taking. Plus the spending to date has been reasonably strategic and not that beyond our means.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on August 16, 2016, 10:01:14 PM: We have wiped off several million from the wage bill, and been paid parachute money. I think we will and can spend more before we start to worry about ffp. Tonight shows us where we are short, RDM will work on it as he has a point to prove. We really need another striker, bit I don't think what we are looking for is Patrick Bamford.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: avfcpg on August 16, 2016, 10:04:12 PM: Jedinak will help solve a lot of problems in midfield but we need another one in there...our midfield just gets dominated too much and heaps pressure on us.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tuscans on August 16, 2016, 10:12:36 PM: (https://twitter.com/AVFCTransTweet/status/765600296873713664)

https://twitter.com/AVFCTransTweet/status/765600296873713664
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on August 16, 2016, 10:13:02 PM: Nowhere near enough pace up front.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brontebilly on August 16, 2016, 10:31:27 PM: Quote from: Ads on August 16, 2016, 10:13:02 PM
Nowhere near enough pace up front.

Agreed and Ayew seems to want to play off a front man rather than leading the line.

Traore is a circus player imo and Kozak was never good enough. Leaving only RHM and Gabby as our other options up top.

Still think we might see Ayew leave before end of window, doesn't really fit at the moment in the position he wants to play. Genuine right sided winger like Victor Moses might suit us better or even Diouf at Stoke as an option up top.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 16, 2016, 10:34:48 PM: It's either Jedinak or Bluto at the Villa.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cp_1ZljWAAA-_bB.jpg)
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 16, 2016, 10:38:33 PM: he looks like a bloke you wouldn't fuck with in a bar
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Chris Jameson on August 16, 2016, 10:41:16 PM: Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 16, 2016, 10:38:33 PM
he looks like a bloke you wouldn't fuck with in a bar

He looks like a bloke you'd see in a Cereal Cafe.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 16, 2016, 10:43:05 PM: Quote from: Chris Jameson on August 16, 2016, 10:41:16 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 16, 2016, 10:38:33 PM
he looks like a bloke you wouldn't fuck with in a bar

He looks like a bloke you'd see in a Cereal Cafe.

Innit.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 16, 2016, 10:43:14 PM: Quote from: Chris Jameson on August 16, 2016, 10:41:16 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 16, 2016, 10:38:33 PM
he looks like a bloke you wouldn't fuck with in a bar

He looks like a bloke you'd see in a Cereal Cafe.

I have to ask, what's a cereal cafe?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Stirchley Villain on August 16, 2016, 10:43:40 PM: A disappointing lack of hipster tattoos.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: The Left Side on August 16, 2016, 10:43:48 PM: He looks like a nutter... like Rasputin but without the long hair!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 16, 2016, 10:43:57 PM: Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 16, 2016, 10:43:14 PM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on August 16, 2016, 10:41:16 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 16, 2016, 10:38:33 PM
he looks like a bloke you wouldn't fuck with in a bar

He looks like a bloke you'd see in a Cereal Cafe.

I have to ask, what's a cereal cafe?

Don't pretend you don't know. You live in them.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Chris Jameson on August 16, 2016, 10:44:50 PM: Google it in images and you'll see the Twat brothers.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: itbrvilla on August 16, 2016, 10:45:53 PM: Excellent beard
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 16, 2016, 10:50:40 PM: Quote from: Chris Jameson on August 16, 2016, 10:44:50 PM
Google it in images and you'll see the Twat brothers.

Yep, just did. Those two look like your bog standard wankers eating and selling cereal to mugs who can't make their own cereal. Jedinak is more like a bloke you'd meet in jail on a lonely night or down at the docks.

Edit: Allegedly
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: The Left Side on August 16, 2016, 10:52:29 PM: How did that Nahki Wells play, I saw his effort that hit the post?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on August 16, 2016, 10:53:24 PM: Quote from: The Left Side on August 16, 2016, 10:52:29 PM
How did that Nahki Wells play, I saw his effort that hit the post?
Quote from: Ads on August 16, 2016, 10:13:02 PM
Nowhere near enough pace up front.

No real recognised striker on the bench. Gestede was blowing, yet there was no real option to come on.

Wells made a difference when he came on. He's raw and not great technically, but caused us problems and didn't give our defenders much rest.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Rudy65 on August 16, 2016, 10:55:39 PM: Quote from: The Left Side on August 16, 2016, 10:52:29 PM
How did that Nahki Wells play, I saw his effort that hit the post?
He changed the game whne he came on, or at least their attacking intent and tactics altered
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 16, 2016, 10:55:50 PM: Unless he's injured I don't get why RHM wasn't on the bench. Green was our only attacking option, so when Amavi is your second best attacking option on the bench you know you can't change much.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Rudy65 on August 16, 2016, 10:58:49 PM: Quote from: brontebilly on August 16, 2016, 10:31:27 PM
Quote from: Ads on August 16, 2016, 10:13:02 PM
Nowhere near enough pace up front.

Agreed and Ayew seems to want to play off a front man rather than leading the line.

Traore is a circus player imo and Kozak was never good enough. Leaving only RHM and Gabby as our other options up top.

Still think we might see Ayew leave before end of window, doesn't really fit at the moment in the position he wants to play. Genuine right sided winger like Victor Moses might suit us better or even Diouf at Stoke as an option up top.

Agree re Ayew. Not convinced he really wants to be here and if we get £15m we can replace with better
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Stirchley Villain on August 16, 2016, 11:04:27 PM: Quote from: Rudy65 on August 16, 2016, 10:58:49 PM
Quote from: brontebilly on August 16, 2016, 10:31:27 PM
Quote from: Ads on August 16, 2016, 10:13:02 PM
Nowhere near enough pace up front.

Agreed and Ayew seems to want to play off a front man rather than leading the line.

Traore is a circus player imo and Kozak was never good enough. Leaving only RHM and Gabby as our other options up top.

Still think we might see Ayew leave before end of window, doesn't really fit at the moment in the position he wants to play. Genuine right sided winger like Victor Moses might suit us better or even Diouf at Stoke as an option up top.

Agree re Ayew. Not convinced he really wants to be here and if we get £15m we can replace with better

He does look a bit isolated there on the right. He had possession there and was looking for help but it often didn't come. I was worried he would be sent off too after his booking. Niggly pushing, shoving and arguing could have developed into a red card if he wasn't careful.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 16, 2016, 11:11:05 PM: Quote from: The Left Side on August 16, 2016, 10:52:29 PM
How did that Nahki Wells play, I saw his effort that hit the post?

Excellent when he came on, was buzzing around and a focal point upfront for them.

In fairness I'm not sold on the 4-2-3-1 RDM is going with....once Tshibola tired in the second half our midfield was overrun again.

Once Gestede stops scoring I'd take him out, have McC and Ayew as front two, play Jack more centrally behind them and have three centrally. Would need Amavi also in the team to make it work as full backs would need to provide the width.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on August 16, 2016, 11:12:25 PM: Quote from: Rudy65 on August 16, 2016, 10:58:49 PM
Quote from: brontebilly on August 16, 2016, 10:31:27 PM
Quote from: Ads on August 16, 2016, 10:13:02 PM
Nowhere near enough pace up front.

Agreed and Ayew seems to want to play off a front man rather than leading the line.

Traore is a circus player imo and Kozak was never good enough. Leaving only RHM and Gabby as our other options up top.

Still think we might see Ayew leave before end of window, doesn't really fit at the moment in the position he wants to play. Genuine right sided winger like Victor Moses might suit us better or even Diouf at Stoke as an option up top.

Agree re Ayew. Not convinced he really wants to be here and if we get £15m we can replace with better

Not sure we would be able to replace him with someone with better quality, but a natural wideman who is willing to work back would be a good addition.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Des Little on August 16, 2016, 11:17:36 PM: Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 16, 2016, 10:38:33 PM
he looks like a bloke you wouldn't fuck with in a bar

Depends which bars you drink in, sweetheart
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 17, 2016, 12:33:12 AM: Ashley Young would be brilliant for us as a wide option now. Works hard but good going forward too. Pace up front is a huge worry. We need another midfielder after Jedinak too. Nowhere near enough depth.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 17, 2016, 07:48:56 AM: Quote from: SoccerHQ on August 16, 2016, 11:11:05 PM
Quote from: The Left Side on August 16, 2016, 10:52:29 PM
How did that Nahki Wells play, I saw his effort that hit the post?

Excellent when he came on, was buzzing around and a focal point upfront for them.

In fairness I'm not sold on the 4-2-3-1 RDM is going with....once Tshibola tired in the second half our midfield was overrun again.

Once Gestede stops scoring I'd take him out, have McC and Ayew as front two, play Jack more centrally behind them and have three centrally. Would need Amavi also in the team to make it work as full backs would need to provide the width.

I think there's a lot in that. Though we don't really have the midfielders suited to playing the 'shuttle' positions on the right and left of midfield (like Delph and cleverley were)

I think RDM likes the 4231. Either way, we definitely need a new option for the 9 position. Ayew has played there but RDM doesn't seem to think he fits the bill. I imagine ayew would rather play there than on the right
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on August 17, 2016, 07:51:54 AM: Veretout is still around. I'd prefer to see him playing ahead of Gardner
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 17, 2016, 08:03:24 AM: Quote from: UK Redsox on August 17, 2016, 07:51:54 AM
Veretout is still around. I'd prefer to see him playing ahead of Gardner

Me too.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sid1964 on August 17, 2016, 08:23:29 AM: Make that 3
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Rudy65 on August 17, 2016, 08:35:04 AM: Quote from: ozzjim on August 17, 2016, 12:33:12 AM
Ashley Young would be brilliant for us as a wide option now. Works hard but good going forward too. Pace up front is a huge worry. We need another midfielder after Jedinak too. Nowhere near enough depth.

Good call. But I doubt he would come
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on August 17, 2016, 08:48:03 AM: Quote from: sid1964 on August 17, 2016, 08:23:29 AM
Make that 3
Add me into the equation and make it four.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Richard E on August 17, 2016, 08:49:55 AM: I think Veretout might be in danger of morphing into another one of those players who gets better the longer he is not in the team here.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on August 17, 2016, 08:53:39 AM: He looked like an attacking midfielder on his youtube highlights and we haven't played him there yet. He'd be a good option from the bench for the likes of Grealish or maybe McCormack if we wanted to see games or give players a breather without totally losing our shape.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: avfcpg on August 17, 2016, 08:54:40 AM: Ashley Young would be ideal...but not a chance he would come here and maybe we need to move on as a club anyway.
Vertoute, whilst not everyone's favorite always looked like he could play to me. Certainly a better option than what we have now. I'm assuming he wants off though or RDM rates Westwood and Gardner higher than him...which seems odd.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 17, 2016, 09:04:56 AM: We're still quite heavily linked to Ravel Morrison by a lot of the more reliable Twitter sources, with most of them saying that a deal's in place but he's waiting to see if a Premiership move materialises first.

Him and Bamford would certainly make a difference, if not immediately to the starting XI then definitely as options from the bench.

The squads still badly missing a winger too. With Sinclair gone and Traore MIA we need a new face, particularly if we want to get the best from Gestede. Callum McManaman was linked earlier in the window and would be a good signing IMO. Looked a real handful at this level previsouly, and another one who doesn't quite meet the West Brom Fairground height restriction.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on August 17, 2016, 09:08:20 AM: Veretout doesn't want to play for the club in this league.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 17, 2016, 09:22:08 AM: Quote from: RussellC on August 17, 2016, 09:04:56 AM
We're still quite heavily linked to Ravel Morrison by a lot of the more reliable Twitter sources, with most of them saying that a deal's in place but he's waiting to see if a Premiership move materialises first.

I dont want a player who thinks Villa are second best . I want a player like Chester who couldnt wait to sign for us.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 17, 2016, 09:32:10 AM: Villa's former assistant and caretaker manager Eric Black says Rangers will have a good professional on their hands if Lescott does sign.

Always knew Black was hopeless
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 17, 2016, 09:39:07 AM: Quote from: JUAN PABLO on August 17, 2016, 09:22:08 AM
Quote from: RussellC on August 17, 2016, 09:04:56 AM
We're still quite heavily linked to Ravel Morrison by a lot of the more reliable Twitter sources, with most of them saying that a deal's in place but he's waiting to see if a Premiership move materialises first.

I dont want a player who thinks Villa are second best . I want a player like Chester who couldnt wait to sign for us.

I agree with the sentiment, but it's not always that straight forward. At this stage, I just want the best players we can get to play for us.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 17, 2016, 09:39:11 AM: Quote from: JUAN PABLO on August 17, 2016, 09:22:08 AM
Quote from: RussellC on August 17, 2016, 09:04:56 AM
We're still quite heavily linked to Ravel Morrison by a lot of the more reliable Twitter sources, with most of them saying that a deal's in place but he's waiting to see if a Premiership move materialises first.

I dont want a player who thinks Villa are second best . I want a player like Chester who couldnt wait to sign for us.

Agreed.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: themossman on August 17, 2016, 09:42:58 AM: Agreed (edit - with Russell). We're a mid table championship team as it stands. We can't expect due deference from players with no connection to the club based on our distant past.

Benteke openly used us as a stepping stone but then he kept us up a couple of times single handedly. If there is another prodigiously gifted mercenary out there that gets us promoted I'm all for it.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 17, 2016, 10:03:24 AM: Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 17, 2016, 08:03:24 AM
Quote from: UK Redsox on August 17, 2016, 07:51:54 AM
Veretout is still around. I'd prefer to see him playing ahead of Gardner

Me too.

Veretout dosen't want to be here though, can only think there's not much interest in him.

We need players who'll roll their sleeves up at this level and I don't see that with Veretout.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 17, 2016, 10:34:32 AM: Quote from: themossman on August 17, 2016, 09:42:58 AM
Agreed (edit - with Russell). We're a mid table championship team as it stands. We can't expect due deference from players with no connection to the club based on our distant past.

Benteke openly used us as a stepping stone but then he kept us up a couple of times single handedly. If there is another prodigiously gifted mercenary out there that gets us promoted I'm all for it.

He is not exactly Beneteke is he , he has a poor past and has let a lot of managers and teams down. I would understand a Amadou Diawara type waiting for maybe a better option but we are Aston Villa and he is Ravel Morrison and if he wants to wait for Hull or Burnley well good luck to him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 17, 2016, 11:06:06 AM: Quote from: JUAN PABLO on August 17, 2016, 10:34:32 AM
Quote from: themossman on August 17, 2016, 09:42:58 AM
Agreed (edit - with Russell). We're a mid table championship team as it stands. We can't expect due deference from players with no connection to the club based on our distant past.

Benteke openly used us as a stepping stone but then he kept us up a couple of times single handedly. If there is another prodigiously gifted mercenary out there that gets us promoted I'm all for it.

He is not exactly Beneteke is he , he has a poor past and has let a lot of managers and teams down. I would understand a Amadou Diawara type waiting for maybe a better option but we are Aston Villa and he is Ravel Morrison and if he wants to wait for Hull or Burnley well good luck to him.

That's fine, but it contradicts your original point that you don't want "a player who thinks Villa are second best." Essentially, you just don't want Morrison?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Gareth on August 17, 2016, 11:41:07 AM: With Morrisons career history he should be champing at the bit to sign for a Chsmpionship side where he could influence a promotion challenge - there is not a Premiership team where he would be anymore than a squad option, he should want to play!

Veretout would be intruiged to know if he has learnt English, the fact he was discarded by RDM in no time suggests attitude rather than not rating him.

Kozak, having invested 7m in signing him I wonder if a loan move to see where his game is after all the injuries before binning him is way forward? Is he out of contract next summer?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 17, 2016, 12:11:27 PM: Quote from: SoccerHQ on August 17, 2016, 10:03:24 AM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 17, 2016, 08:03:24 AM
Quote from: UK Redsox on August 17, 2016, 07:51:54 AM
Veretout is still around. I'd prefer to see him playing ahead of Gardner

Me too.

Veretout dosen't want to be here though, can only think there's not much interest in him.

Says who?

Genuine question, have I missed something with him?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tuscans on August 17, 2016, 12:15:58 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 17, 2016, 12:11:27 PM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on August 17, 2016, 10:03:24 AM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 17, 2016, 08:03:24 AM
Quote from: UK Redsox on August 17, 2016, 07:51:54 AM
Veretout is still around. I'd prefer to see him playing ahead of Gardner

Me too.

Veretout dosen't want to be here though, can only think there's not much interest in him.

Says who?

Genuine question, have I missed something with him?
There were a few rumours about his attitude in the summer, displaying all the signs he didn't want to hang around. It was posted on here, believe!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on August 17, 2016, 12:20:33 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 17, 2016, 12:11:27 PM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on August 17, 2016, 10:03:24 AM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 17, 2016, 08:03:24 AM
Quote from: UK Redsox on August 17, 2016, 07:51:54 AM
Veretout is still around. I'd prefer to see him playing ahead of Gardner

Me too.

Veretout dosen't want to be here though, can only think there's not much interest in him.

Says who?

Genuine question, have I missed something with him?

I'm pretty sure his agent was quote as saying he had no intention of playing in the championship earlier this summer. How on earth he's got the idea this is below him is frankly baffling. He should be chomping at the bit to tear this league up and show us what he's made of
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on August 17, 2016, 12:32:36 PM: Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on August 17, 2016, 12:20:33 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 17, 2016, 12:11:27 PM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on August 17, 2016, 10:03:24 AM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 17, 2016, 08:03:24 AM
Quote from: UK Redsox on August 17, 2016, 07:51:54 AM
Veretout is still around. I'd prefer to see him playing ahead of Gardner

Me too.

Veretout dosen't want to be here though, can only think there's not much interest in him.

Says who?

Genuine question, have I missed something with him?

I'm pretty sure his agent was quote as saying he had no intention of playing in the championship earlier this summer. How on earth he's got the idea this is below him is frankly baffling. He should be chomping at the bit to tear this league up and show us what he's made of

That sounds like your fairly standard "come and get me" plea, rather than anything particular. Surely if he was keen on leaving he would've accepted one of the various loans we allegedly lined up. Still could, mind you.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 17, 2016, 12:34:23 PM: Quote from: RussellC on August 17, 2016, 11:06:06 AM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on August 17, 2016, 10:34:32 AM
Quote from: themossman on August 17, 2016, 09:42:58 AM
Agreed (edit - with Russell). We're a mid table championship team as it stands. We can't expect due deference from players with no connection to the club based on our distant past.

Benteke openly used us as a stepping stone but then he kept us up a couple of times single handedly. If there is another prodigiously gifted mercenary out there that gets us promoted I'm all for it.

He is not exactly Beneteke is he , he has a poor past and has let a lot of managers and teams down. I would understand a Amadou Diawara type waiting for maybe a better option but we are Aston Villa and he is Ravel Morrison and if he wants to wait for Hull or Burnley well good luck to him.

That's fine, but it contradicts your original point that you don't want "a player who thinks Villa are second best." Essentially, you just don't want Morrison?

I had not made up my mind about it , he obviously has the talent but would he just be another twat like we have had in the past unsettling the dressing room , I just do not know.

I meant second best with somebody like Morrison who is at a massive crossroads in his career and has not done anything yet . maybe I can handle a Benteke type because we would make lots of money on him even if we are a stepping stone, not that I heard Benteke say it I just knew watching him he would not be here long ,I dont think Morrison can afford to be in that position .

If you think say Amadou Diawara is using us has a stepping stone then bring it on as we will make a shed load of money on him , even thou it is a lot of money on a young potential player where Id prefer to spend it else where like up front and get a Ledley type in .
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 17, 2016, 12:43:52 PM: Like you, I've no idea how Morrison would work out. I agree, if he's a success though he'd probably looking for a move sooner rather than later. If the fee isn't too high I think I'd be inclined to take a chance on him, as he's undoubtedly a huge, huge talent. Didn't Rio Ferdinand say that he was the most naturally gifted footballer he'd seen come through the Utd Youth Team...?!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Mellin on August 17, 2016, 12:45:35 PM: He's a piss taker/time waster and we've had enough of them. Him and Gabby will be on Broad Street every night. No thanks.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Axl Rose on August 17, 2016, 12:47:35 PM: Quote from: Mellin on August 17, 2016, 12:45:35 PM
He's a piss taker/time waster and we've had enough of them. Him and Gabby will be on Broad Street every night. No thanks.

This. No more utter degenerates at the club.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Mister E on August 17, 2016, 12:48:57 PM: Quote from: RussellC on August 17, 2016, 09:04:56 AM
... The squads still badly missing a winger too ...
What's wrong with Green?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: rob_bridge on August 17, 2016, 12:52:39 PM: Ferdinand says that about every United Youth player

Like Hansen used to say Liverpool will be well placed to win the league 'Next Season'
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 17, 2016, 12:55:22 PM: Quote from: RussellC on August 17, 2016, 11:06:06 AM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on August 17, 2016, 10:34:32 AM
Quote from: themossman on August 17, 2016, 09:42:58 AM
Agreed (edit - with Russell). We're a mid table championship team as it stands. We can't expect due deference from players with no connection to the club based on our distant past.

Benteke openly used us as a stepping stone but then he kept us up a couple of times single handedly. If there is another prodigiously gifted mercenary out there that gets us promoted I'm all for it.

He is not exactly Beneteke is he , he has a poor past and has let a lot of managers and teams down. I would understand a Amadou Diawara type waiting for maybe a better option but we are Aston Villa and he is Ravel Morrison and if he wants to wait for Hull or Burnley well good luck to him.

That's fine, but it contradicts your original point that you don't want "a player who thinks Villa are second best." Essentially, you just don't want Morrison?

I had not made up my mind about it , he obviously has the talent but would he just be another twat like we have had in the past unsettling the dressing room , I just do not know.

I meant second best with somebody like Morrison who is at a massive crossroads in his career and has not done anything yet . maybe I can handle a Benteke type because we would make lots of money on him even if we are a stepping stone, not that I heard Benteke say it I just knew watching him he would not be here long ,I dont think Morrison can afford to be in that position .

If you think say Amadou Diawara is using us has a stepping stone then bring it on as we will make a shed load of money on him , even thou it is a lot of money on a young potential player where Id prefer to spend it else where like up front and get a Ledley type in .
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 17, 2016, 12:55:58 PM: sorry about my posts

internet is going down all the time

VM for you
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oldhill_avfc on August 17, 2016, 12:58:00 PM: Quote from: Ads on August 17, 2016, 09:08:20 AM
Veretout doesn't want to play for the club in this league.

Understandable that he doesn't want to be showed up for not being up to the standard - again.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 17, 2016, 12:58:25 PM: Quote from: RussellC on August 17, 2016, 12:43:52 PM
Like you, I've no idea how Morrison would work out. I agree, if he's a success though he'd probably looking for a move sooner rather than later. If the fee isn't too high I think I'd be inclined to take a chance on him, as he's undoubtedly a huge, huge talent. Didn't Rio Ferdinand say that he was the most naturally gifted footballer he'd seen come through the Utd Youth Team...?!

pay as you play would be the best option for us

he said Pogba was in awe of Morrison
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 17, 2016, 12:59:45 PM: Quote from: oldhill_avfc on August 17, 2016, 12:58:00 PM
Quote from: Ads on August 17, 2016, 09:08:20 AM
Veretout doesn't want to play for the club in this league.

Understandable that he doesn't want to be showed up for not being up to the standard - again.

its quite nice Leicester won the league

ha ha

nice one Veretout
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oldhill_avfc on August 17, 2016, 01:03:07 PM: Quote from: JUAN PABLO on August 17, 2016, 12:59:45 PM
Quote from: oldhill_avfc on August 17, 2016, 12:58:00 PM
Quote from: Ads on August 17, 2016, 09:08:20 AM
Veretout doesn't want to play for the club in this league.

Understandable that he doesn't want to be showed up for not being up to the standard - again.

its quite nice Leicester won the league

ha ha

nice one Veretout

Leicester is a red herring. He wouldn't have got in the team that won the league - or put it the other way - if he had, then they wouldn't have got anywhere near winning the league.

He's simply not up to it - he's way behind Westwood, Gana and Sanchez who were rightly criticised for not being good enough.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 17, 2016, 01:05:03 PM: Quote from: oldhill_avfc on August 17, 2016, 01:03:07 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on August 17, 2016, 12:59:45 PM
Quote from: oldhill_avfc on August 17, 2016, 12:58:00 PM
Quote from: Ads on August 17, 2016, 09:08:20 AM
Veretout doesn't want to play for the club in this league.

Understandable that he doesn't want to be showed up for not being up to the standard - again.

its quite nice Leicester won the league

ha ha

nice one Veretout

Leicester is a red herring. He wouldn't have got in the team that won the league - or put it the other way - if he had, then they wouldn't have got anywhere near winning the league.

He's simply not up to it - he's way behind Westwood, Gana and Sanchez who were rightly criticised for not being good enough.

not sure

Albrighton could not get in a crap Villa team
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: eamonn on August 17, 2016, 01:15:33 PM: That was down to Lambert's dung-for-brains.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on August 17, 2016, 01:21:45 PM: Quote from: oldhill_avfc on August 17, 2016, 01:03:07 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on August 17, 2016, 12:59:45 PM
Quote from: oldhill_avfc on August 17, 2016, 12:58:00 PM
Quote from: Ads on August 17, 2016, 09:08:20 AM
Veretout doesn't want to play for the club in this league.

Understandable that he doesn't want to be showed up for not being up to the standard - again.

its quite nice Leicester won the league

ha ha

nice one Veretout

Leicester is a red herring. He wouldn't have got in the team that won the league - or put it the other way - if he had, then they wouldn't have got anywhere near winning the league.

He's simply not up to it - he's way behind Westwood, Gana and Sanchez who were rightly criticised for not being good enough.

He led our team in assists and chances created even after playing sporadically for the first two months and then being chucked out wide later on under Garde when we ran out of wide players. Hardly an indication of someone shockingly out of his depth.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: themossman on August 17, 2016, 01:23:18 PM: Just to clarify, I'm not directly comparing Benteke with Morrison. Different propositions and CB was simply open about using us as an in between club rather than having Morrison's baggage (expect maybe the striking at Genk thing).

I'm more making the general point that we don't need to be narrowing down our options by being sniffy about players that don't see us as a no brainier. I could understand their reticence given the last couple of seasons and where we currently are in the pecking order.

It's nice to hear a great first interview and a proper appreciation of our illustrious history but less important than what they ultimately do in games.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Hookeysmith on August 17, 2016, 01:31:02 PM: Of all the players that came in last year Veretout was for me the most anticipated yet has been the most disappointing. I think it is in his head and I am sure the Leicester thing has played on his mind.
You would think that the best way to get away is to turn in some very decent performances - not sit and sulk without any game time

Nut then again these are footballers I am talking about
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 17, 2016, 01:56:22 PM: I remember listening to a french footy expert talking about Veretout and he said Villa was playing him in the complete wrong position , whatever that is.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Damo70 on August 17, 2016, 02:01:45 PM: Quote from: JUAN PABLO on August 17, 2016, 01:56:22 PM
I remember listening to a french footy expect talking about Veretout and he said Villa was playing him in the complete wrong position , whatever that is.

We played a lot of players in the wrong position last season. In a Villa shirt on a football pitch.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 17, 2016, 02:01:56 PM: Quote from: Mister E on August 17, 2016, 12:48:57 PM
Quote from: RussellC on August 17, 2016, 09:04:56 AM
... The squads still badly missing a winger too ...
What's wrong with Green?

He's a kid. Looks to have a lot of potential but I wouldn't want to rely on a youngster who's yet to produce a goal or an assist in the first-team to be our supply-line for the entirety of a Championship season.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: themossman on August 17, 2016, 02:03:17 PM: What is the consensus on how best to use him? I'm genuinely sketchy about this. I sort of assume he's ideally a Barry style continuity player as opposed to an out and out AM or DM.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 17, 2016, 02:40:43 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 17, 2016, 12:11:27 PM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on August 17, 2016, 10:03:24 AM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 17, 2016, 08:03:24 AM
Quote from: UK Redsox on August 17, 2016, 07:51:54 AM
Veretout is still around. I'd prefer to see him playing ahead of Gardner

Me too.

Veretout dosen't want to be here though, can only think there's not much interest in him.

Says who?

Genuine question, have I missed something with him?

It was in the Mail a few weeks back that he'd informed the club he didn't want to play in the championship and was open to loan moves.

Since the Marseille loaned fell through nothing but given he can't even make the bench it appears we're just waiting for a club to come in for him close to the deadline.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 17, 2016, 02:43:53 PM: Quote from: themossman on August 17, 2016, 02:03:17 PM
What is the consensus on how best to use him? I'm genuinely sketchy about this. I sort of assume he's ideally a Barry style continuity player as opposed to an out and out AM or DM.

When he played he sort of reminded me of a poor man's Milner, he was quite busy and had a decent pass on him.

Maybe we should've played him as a right sided midfielder or something, I just thought he was too lightweight in and out of possession and hasn't settled off the pitch either.

Edit: Don't think he's wanted to know here since Garde got sacked as at least he was playing regularly under him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Damo70 on August 17, 2016, 02:46:43 PM: Quote from: SoccerHQ on August 17, 2016, 02:40:43 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 17, 2016, 12:11:27 PM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on August 17, 2016, 10:03:24 AM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 17, 2016, 08:03:24 AM
Quote from: UK Redsox on August 17, 2016, 07:51:54 AM
Veretout is still around. I'd prefer to see him playing ahead of Gardner

Me too.

Veretout dosen't want to be here though, can only think there's not much interest in him.

Says who?

Genuine question, have I missed something with him?

It was in the Mail a few weeks back that he'd informed the club he didn't want to play in the championship and was open to loan moves.

Since the Marseille loaned fell through nothing but given he can't even make the bench it appears we're just waiting for a club to come in for him close to the deadline.

After the deadline doesn't the 'emergency loan' system kick in. If he hasn't had a move by then and he still wants to go he could go to Coventry or Walsall.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 17, 2016, 02:51:34 PM: Nope that's been scrapped as of this season.

Same deadline as Premier league.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 17, 2016, 03:11:37 PM: Some twitter sources are linking Kieran Trippier on loan from Spurs. Would be a great signing IMO. Would prefer to him to De Laet.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on August 17, 2016, 03:19:59 PM: Quote from: RussellC on August 17, 2016, 03:11:37 PM
Some twitter sources are linking Kieran Trippier on loan from Spurs. Would be a great signing IMO. Would prefer to him to De Laet.

Party like its 2015

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/kieran-trippier-lowdown-what-aston-9378400
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: chrisw1 on August 17, 2016, 03:23:11 PM: Quote from: RussellC on August 17, 2016, 03:11:37 PM
Some twitter sources are linking Kieran Trippier on loan from Spurs. Would be a great signing IMO. Would prefer to him to De Laet.
From what I saw of him last year that would be a great signing.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 17, 2016, 03:33:49 PM: Quote from: chrisw1 on August 17, 2016, 03:23:11 PM
Quote from: RussellC on August 17, 2016, 03:11:37 PM
Some twitter sources are linking Kieran Trippier on loan from Spurs. Would be a great signing IMO. Would prefer to him to De Laet.
From what I saw of him last year that would be a great signing.

Agreed. Tone did mention a couple of loans a few days ago, so fingers crossed.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sid1964 on August 17, 2016, 03:34:10 PM: Trippier from Spurs would be excellent

But knowing how Levy operates, he will cost £5million loan fee and to pay his wages for the remainder of his contract, even though he will only be here a season!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KevinGage on August 17, 2016, 03:56:03 PM: Trippier was featuring in that Tottingham side for a big chunk of last season even when Walker was fit and available -think he made a few England squads too.

So don't see him dropping down a league.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cyrilina on August 17, 2016, 04:21:41 PM: Tony tweeted an announcement of a signing at 5pm via twitter. 40 minutes to wait
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on August 17, 2016, 04:25:00 PM: Quote from: cyrilina on August 17, 2016, 04:21:41 PM
Tony tweeted an announcement of a signing at 5pm via twitter. 40 minutes to wait

Got to be Jedinak? Still hoping we can add a few more, as the bench was not very strong last night. I think a forward who can add a bit of pace and energy is a must.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Mister E on August 17, 2016, 06:19:19 PM: Quote from: RussellC on August 17, 2016, 02:01:56 PM
Quote from: Mister E on August 17, 2016, 12:48:57 PM
Quote from: RussellC on August 17, 2016, 09:04:56 AM
... The squads still badly missing a winger too ...
What's wrong with Green?

He's a kid. Looks to have a lot of potential but I wouldn't want to rely on a youngster who's yet to produce a goal or an assist in the first-team to be our supply-line for the entirety of a Championship season.
I understand your point, but if he doesn't get the chance to play we won't see goals or assists from him.
This season is perfect for some sensible risk-taking with the youngsters who have the right set of skills and mindset. I hope we see Green, Lyden, Toner, RHM and Davis get a chance to develop in the senior environment; judiciously, of course. Otherwise, they'll just be another set of promising youngsters.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 17, 2016, 06:32:19 PM: I'd love trippier but spurs rotate their full backs so I can't see it

If he doesn't rate adama we need another proper wide or creative player I think

Green will still get plenty of chances
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on August 17, 2016, 06:35:49 PM: Quote from: Matt Collins on August 17, 2016, 06:32:19 PM
I'd love trippier but spurs rotate their full backs so I can't see it

There are reports that Yedlin might have overtaken Trippier after his loan at Sunderland. So it could be that they are rotating them but he isn't part of that rotation.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 17, 2016, 06:35:59 PM: I'm hoping Jedinak will take his fellow Aussie, Lyden, under his wing and mentor the lad. I think he has great potential and as Mr E so wisely points out, unless we give our young talent a chance they'll never develop.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 17, 2016, 07:01:50 PM: Quote from: Matt Collins on August 17, 2016, 06:32:19 PM
I'd love trippier but spurs rotate their full backs so I can't see it

If he doesn't rate adama we need another proper wide or creative player I think

Green will still get plenty of chances

I wouldn't say there's anything to indicate he doesn't rate Adama yet. When he first came available he picked him in the squad. I'm guessing he probably can't manage two games in the three days yet.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on August 17, 2016, 07:04:36 PM: Bamford and Trippier would be great on loan, save any transfer money for the creative midfielder we need. That said, I would really like a more pacey and mobile forward.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tuscans on August 17, 2016, 07:21:06 PM: If the Trippier rumour has any substance to it then that would be 4 players coming in who have all been part of Championship promoted teams. Robbie isn't mucking about here.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 17, 2016, 07:47:01 PM: I think there's next to no chance we'll get Trippier. He's wanted at Spuds.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Neil Hawkes on August 17, 2016, 08:23:13 PM: When was the last time we signed 6 players that went straight into the team and all were an improvement on who they replaced?
I have nothing but praise for the deals made, credit where it's due.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: paulcomben on August 17, 2016, 09:33:54 PM: If new homes cannot be found by August 31 for Lescott, Bennett, Gabby & Kozak, will they have to be donated to British Heart Foundation? I'm thinking of what happened to seemingly valuable furniture when we cleared out my late father-in-law's flat in January. And, if those players were books, they'd have to be pulped. Sadly.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ACVilla on August 17, 2016, 09:37:21 PM: Jedinak, Chester, Elphick and McCormack. Absolutely wonderful signings. If Gollini turns out to be decent we have simply the best spine in the division.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on August 17, 2016, 10:03:23 PM: I'm not sure we'll see the best of Villa until around November, when the new boys have gelled. We have some great new players, exactly what we asked for. I really hope we manage to grab another couple of gems. Last night, had they equalised like that last season, we would have lost the game. Small changes, positives though, will continue to happen if we can get another midfielder and a more mobile forward. Jedinak is an inspired signing who will be brilliant for Tshibola. I'd love to see, like others, a right back, centre mid and a good forward brought in. Dr Xia is absolutely delivering what he promised so far. Long may that continue.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Richard on August 17, 2016, 10:15:45 PM: Not sure we need a right back when Bacuna Hutton Richards Lyden can all play there.

Definitely another midfielder needed.

And a quick and mobile striker.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 17, 2016, 11:16:58 PM: Midfielder, Winger, Striker, Right back to go.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: OCD on August 17, 2016, 11:20:10 PM: If it means getting rid of Hutton and Richards, I'm all for a first choice right back.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brontebilly on August 17, 2016, 11:29:47 PM: Quote from: Richard on August 17, 2016, 10:15:45 PM
Not sure we need a right back when Bacuna Hutton Richards Lyden can all play there.

Definitely another midfielder needed.

And a quick and mobile striker.

Im ok with Bacuna as a squad option, filler in a few positions. Lyden too

But the other two are useless
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 17, 2016, 11:48:23 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on August 17, 2016, 11:16:58 PM
Midfielder, Winger, Striker, Right back to go.

That's a big ask in a week or so. I'd love it to be true, but a creative player and some pace are our priorities.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: eamonn on August 17, 2016, 11:53:26 PM: Traore is the winger, just get him fit and coached. A replacement for Agbonlahlor, an upgrade on Cissokho/Bennett and we're good to go.

Edit: Just seen the Traore thread. Oh well, let's get someone who's a bit more ready and willing then.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 17, 2016, 11:58:45 PM: Quote from: eamonn on August 17, 2016, 11:53:26 PM
Traore is the winger, just get him fit and coached. A replacement for Agbonlahlor, an upgrade on Cissokho/Bennett and we're good to go.

You might want to pop over to the Traore thread Eamonn
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: eamonn on August 18, 2016, 12:00:11 AM: Yes! Comment now edited.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 18, 2016, 12:04:43 AM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 17, 2016, 11:48:23 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 17, 2016, 11:16:58 PM
Midfielder, Winger, Striker, Right back to go.

That's a big ask in a week or so. I'd love it to be true, but a creative player and some pace are our priorities.

Quite possible if we know who we're after. Could be that a lot of work has been done already.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on August 18, 2016, 01:07:34 AM: Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 18, 2016, 12:04:43 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 17, 2016, 11:48:23 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 17, 2016, 11:16:58 PM
Midfielder, Winger, Striker, Right back to go.

That's a big ask in a week or so. I'd love it to be true, but a creative player and some pace are our priorities.

Quite possible if we know who we're after. Could be that a lot of work has been done already.

Would have thought that would be the case and the deals just need finalising. A striker is a priority for me above any other position.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on August 18, 2016, 02:03:44 AM: Quote from: tomd2103 on August 18, 2016, 01:07:34 AM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 18, 2016, 12:04:43 AM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 17, 2016, 11:48:23 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 17, 2016, 11:16:58 PM
Midfielder, Winger, Striker, Right back to go.

That's a big ask in a week or so. I'd love it to be true, but a creative player and some pace are our priorities.

Quite possible if we know who we're after. Could be that a lot of work has been done already.

Would have thought that would be the case and the deals just need finalising. A striker is a priority for me above any other position.

Feel like the Bamford reports have enough to them that he'll be coming in soon, unless he gets a promising PL loan offer.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on August 18, 2016, 05:40:11 AM: Quote from: eamonn on August 17, 2016, 11:53:26 PM

Edit: Just seen the Traore thread. Oh well, let's get someone who's a bit more ready and willing then.

N'zogbia?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 18, 2016, 07:16:37 AM: Loans typically get agreed near the end of the window, so my prediction is two loans and another two signings.
Three to leave.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on August 18, 2016, 07:22:23 AM: I think another centre half, a striker and maybe another midfielder would see us ok until January.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 18, 2016, 08:05:28 AM: bamford seems to be holding out for a PL offers
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: garyshawsknee on August 18, 2016, 08:12:52 AM: I'd make a bid for Wells. Runs in behind defenders, has good movement, has scored goals at this level. Wouldn't be too pricey.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulTheVillan on August 18, 2016, 08:27:32 AM: Can't we just play Ayew up front? Bamford doesn't excite me at all.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: JJ-AV on August 18, 2016, 09:21:26 AM: Ayew is an odd one. He's clearly not a winger and we can't get away with playing him there in games like Saturday (if Grealish is in the team).

Think Bamford makes sense though. 17 goals last time he was in the Championship and we definitely need a more fluid striker than Gestede, who for me doesn't suit the way we're lining up.

Still work to be done.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 18, 2016, 10:14:53 AM: I might wel be wrong but didn't Ayew play up front the season before we bought him with some success?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Leicester_Villian on August 18, 2016, 10:28:01 AM: Is it worth a shot ......
Amarvi to Liverpool 12 million - they want a left back
Ayew to West Ham 15 million - his brother now injured

The Big Man back home ....Im sure Dr Tony could convince him 30 million

Little outlay ...we have cover at left back and Im not sure about Ayew out wide ........... Would Benetke be tempted???
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Nelly on August 18, 2016, 10:29:39 AM: Quote from: mr underhill on August 18, 2016, 10:14:53 AM
I might wel be wrong but didn't Ayew play up front the season before we bought him with some success?

He'd be my forward, no question. I think he'd frighten the life out of some defences and with some decent supply he'd score a hatful. Not a winger/wing forward for me.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: old man villa fan on August 18, 2016, 10:36:03 AM: Quote from: Nelly on August 18, 2016, 10:29:39 AM
Quote from: mr underhill on August 18, 2016, 10:14:53 AM
I might wel be wrong but didn't Ayew play up front the season before we bought him with some success?

He'd be my forward, no question. I think he'd frighten the life out of some defences and with some decent supply he'd score a hatful. Not a winger/wing forward for me.

I think he will be better if we can get the ball to him through midfield faster. The clips I saw of him in France tended to show him in a lot of space. I had thought that Veretout would be ideal for this but he seems out of favour.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Nelly on August 18, 2016, 10:37:21 AM: I think I'd rather keep Amavi and Ayew than to try and bring back Benteke. He seemed quite disinterested/sulky at times even when we were in the Premiership - not that I blame him for that, we were trash.

But I'd definitely rather keep two of our better players than swap them for a position in which we're decently stocked.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Nelly on August 18, 2016, 10:38:46 AM: Quote from: old man villa fan on August 18, 2016, 10:36:03 AM
Quote from: Nelly on August 18, 2016, 10:29:39 AM
Quote from: mr underhill on August 18, 2016, 10:14:53 AM
I might wel be wrong but didn't Ayew play up front the season before we bought him with some success?

He'd be my forward, no question. I think he'd frighten the life out of some defences and with some decent supply he'd score a hatful. Not a winger/wing forward for me.

I think he will be better if we can get the ball to him through midfield faster. The clips I saw of him in France tended to show him in a lot of space. I had thought that Veretout would be ideal for this but he seems out of favour.

Mm, I liked Veretout. Seemed an average midfielder but with an eye for a pass. More forward thinking than Westwood. Maybe alongside Tshibola or Jedinak he could be useful.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: in exile on August 18, 2016, 10:40:19 AM: Quote from: Leicester_Villian on August 18, 2016, 10:28:01 AM
...Would Benetke be tempted???
No
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tony Erdington on August 18, 2016, 11:29:40 AM: Quote from: in exile on August 18, 2016, 10:40:19 AM
Quote from: Leicester_Villian on August 18, 2016, 10:28:01 AM
...Would Benetke be tempted???
No

no thanks, I could actually see what Brendan Rogers said. one dimensional, we made him look good because the team worked for him, and I don't want to go back to that,

the FA Cup final against arsenal, Wenger so got his tactics right, stop the final ball to benteke and you've contained Villa.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Richard on August 18, 2016, 11:33:51 AM: Interesting that after only 3 games no team has a 100% record.

To me this says straightaway a really tight and competitive division, so I believe any signings from now on have to have that x factor/extra quality which will win us crucial points.

So for me an outstanding goal scoring attacking midfielder/winger/striker - just not sure who !
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Gareth on August 18, 2016, 11:42:54 AM: How much fun is Dr X going to be on transfer deadline day? He'll so be having to get involved & tweeting all day about incomings....

Revolving door!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 18, 2016, 11:50:23 AM: Quote from: Tony Erdington on August 18, 2016, 11:29:40 AM
Quote from: in exile on August 18, 2016, 10:40:19 AM
Quote from: Leicester_Villian on August 18, 2016, 10:28:01 AM
...Would Benetke be tempted???
No

no thanks, I could actually see what Brendan Rogers said. one dimensional, we made him look good because the team worked for him, and I don't want to go back to that,

the FA Cup final against arsenal, Wenger so got his tactics right, stop the final ball to benteke and you've contained Villa.

One dimensional?! Headers, long-range shots, solo-runs, over-head-kicks, free-kicks...!? How's that one-dimensional?! The team that" made him look good" did a pretty good job of not looking very good when he wasn't in it.

Yes, he had off-days too, but to suggest that he was one-dimensional is just wrong.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: itbrvilla on August 18, 2016, 12:06:09 PM: Quote from: RussellC on August 18, 2016, 11:50:23 AM
Quote from: Tony Erdington on August 18, 2016, 11:29:40 AM
Quote from: in exile on August 18, 2016, 10:40:19 AM
Quote from: Leicester_Villian on August 18, 2016, 10:28:01 AM
...Would Benetke be tempted???
No

no thanks, I could actually see what Brendan Rogers said. one dimensional, we made him look good because the team worked for him, and I don't want to go back to that,

the FA Cup final against arsenal, Wenger so got his tactics right, stop the final ball to benteke and you've contained Villa.

One dimensional?! Headers, long-range shots, solo-runs, over-head-kicks, free-kicks...!? How's that one-dimensional?! The team that" made him look good" did a pretty good job of not looking very good when he wasn't in it.

Yes, he had off-days too, but to suggest that he was one-dimensional is just wrong.
Agree entirely
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on August 18, 2016, 12:08:17 PM: Quote from: RussellC on August 18, 2016, 11:50:23 AM
Quote from: Tony Erdington on August 18, 2016, 11:29:40 AM
Quote from: in exile on August 18, 2016, 10:40:19 AM
Quote from: Leicester_Villian on August 18, 2016, 10:28:01 AM
...Would Benetke be tempted???
No

no thanks, I could actually see what Brendan Rogers said. one dimensional, we made him look good because the team worked for him, and I don't want to go back to that,

the FA Cup final against arsenal, Wenger so got his tactics right, stop the final ball to benteke and you've contained Villa.

One dimensional?! Headers, long-range shots, solo-runs, over-head-kicks, free-kicks...!? How's that one-dimensional?! The team that" made him look good" did a pretty good job of not looking very good when he wasn't in it.

Yes, he had off-days too, but to suggest that he was one-dimensional is just wrong.

Plus, we did the worst possible job playing off him as well - the supply line was mostly crap except for Gabby having a decent run of form once every few months and Bacuna swinging in some decent crosses every now and then, and absolutely no forward or midfielder who he could link up with or who could properly exploit the space that he created with his physical presence.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tony Erdington on August 18, 2016, 12:14:35 PM: Quote from: RussellC on August 18, 2016, 11:50:23 AM
Quote from: Tony Erdington on August 18, 2016, 11:29:40 AM
Quote from: in exile on August 18, 2016, 10:40:19 AM
Quote from: Leicester_Villian on August 18, 2016, 10:28:01 AM
...Would Benetke be tempted???
No

no thanks, I could actually see what Brendan Rogers said. one dimensional, we made him look good because the team worked for him, and I don't want to go back to that,

the FA Cup final against arsenal, Wenger so got his tactics right, stop the final ball to benteke and you've contained Villa.

One dimensional?! Headers, long-range shots, solo-runs, over-head-kicks, free-kicks...!? How's that one-dimensional?! The team that" made him look good" did a pretty good job of not looking very good when he wasn't in it.

Yes, he had off-days too, but to suggest that he was one-dimensional is just wrong.

I think one dimensional means exactly what you say, where were the assists, where was thee defensive ability, the lay off's the team ethic. so the reason Liverpool are selling him is because he does not fit into there team and by the same token, I think we are evolving and need players that work for the team.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on August 18, 2016, 12:20:52 PM: As the kids would say 'lols at someone suggesting they wouldn't take Benteke back in a heart beat'
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 18, 2016, 12:27:41 PM: Quote from: Leicester_Villian on August 18, 2016, 10:28:01 AM
Is it worth a shot ......
Amarvi to Liverpool 12 million - they want a left back
Ayew to West Ham 15 million - his brother now injured

The Big Man back home ....Im sure Dr Tony could convince him 30 million

Little outlay ...we have cover at left back and Im not sure about Ayew out wide ........... Would Benetke be tempted???

I would take that scenario in a heartbeat. Amavi hasn't shown much, and Ayew is a square peg in a round hole. Benteke was the best centre forward at Villa since Andy Gray MK1, and would clean up in the championship next to RM.

Doubt it will happen though.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tony Erdington on August 18, 2016, 12:32:24 PM: Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on August 18, 2016, 12:20:52 PM

As the kids would say 'lols at someone suggesting they wouldn't take Benteke back in a heart beat'

the reason we were so shit was because we channelled all our ball to benteke, and with the not so good managers we had couldn't break the mould and therefore the team played the same without the focal point, We became one dimensional, just look how the goals were spread around the team.

So you may back the kids and there heart beat, I want a successful team, and for the money and wages it would take to bring back a player non of the better teams seem interested in I think theres better deals to be had.

btw

UTV
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: paul_e on August 18, 2016, 12:39:53 PM: Quote from: Tony Erdington on August 18, 2016, 12:14:35 PM
Quote from: RussellC on August 18, 2016, 11:50:23 AM
Quote from: Tony Erdington on August 18, 2016, 11:29:40 AM
Quote from: in exile on August 18, 2016, 10:40:19 AM
Quote from: Leicester_Villian on August 18, 2016, 10:28:01 AM
...Would Benetke be tempted???
No

no thanks, I could actually see what Brendan Rogers said. one dimensional, we made him look good because the team worked for him, and I don't want to go back to that,

the FA Cup final against arsenal, Wenger so got his tactics right, stop the final ball to benteke and you've contained Villa.

One dimensional?! Headers, long-range shots, solo-runs, over-head-kicks, free-kicks...!? How's that one-dimensional?! The team that" made him look good" did a pretty good job of not looking very good when he wasn't in it.

Yes, he had off-days too, but to suggest that he was one-dimensional is just wrong.

I think one dimensional means exactly what you say, where were the assists, where was thee defensive ability, the lay off's the team ethic. so the reason Liverpool are selling him is because he does not fit into there team and by the same token, I think we are evolving and need players that work for the team.

The assists were there, not as many as he got goals but I reckon he got 4-5 a season, which is fine considering he was our main goal threat.

Defensive ability, who cares he's a 9, his main defensive contributions should've been to close down defenders a few times, be an 'out' ball for us to clear to and come back and be a presence defending set pieces, he did all of those to an acceptable standard.

Lay offs - he's probably the best forward we've had in the last 15-20 years at bringing people into play so I'm not sure where to start with that criticism.

Liverpool are selling him because their fans never wanted him and without that support his head has gone down and he's a shadow of the player we sold them, not because he's one-dimensional.

He's as complete a centre-forward as anyone in the league and Villa fans criticising him smacks a little of 'yeah well he wasn't that great anyway' to make themselves feel a little better over him leaving. The one-dimensional player you're describing is the guy we bought to replace him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Mister E on August 18, 2016, 12:41:09 PM: Quote from: Leicester_Villian on August 18, 2016, 10:28:01 AM
Is it worth a shot ......
Amarvi to Liverpool 12 million - they want a left back
Ayew to West Ham 15 million - his brother now injured

The Big Man back home ....Im sure Dr Tony could convince him 30 million

Little outlay ...we have cover at left back and Im not sure about Ayew out wide ........... Would Benetke be tempted???
Cover at left back, you say. Who? - Bennett is effectively unproven and Cissokho is shite.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tony Erdington on August 18, 2016, 12:47:44 PM: Quote from: paul_e on August 18, 2016, 12:39:53 PM
Quote from: Tony Erdington on August 18, 2016, 12:14:35 PM
Quote from: RussellC on August 18, 2016, 11:50:23 AM
Quote from: Tony Erdington on August 18, 2016, 11:29:40 AM
Quote from: in exile on August 18, 2016, 10:40:19 AM
Quote from: Leicester_Villian on August 18, 2016, 10:28:01 AM
...Would Benetke be tempted???
No

no thanks, I could actually see what Brendan Rogers said. one dimensional, we made him look good because the team worked for him, and I don't want to go back to that,

the FA Cup final against arsenal, Wenger so got his tactics right, stop the final ball to benteke and you've contained Villa.

One dimensional?! Headers, long-range shots, solo-runs, over-head-kicks, free-kicks...!? How's that one-dimensional?! The team that" made him look good" did a pretty good job of not looking very good when he wasn't in it.

Yes, he had off-days too, but to suggest that he was one-dimensional is just wrong.

I think one dimensional means exactly what you say, where were the assists, where was thee defensive ability, the lay off's the team ethic. so the reason Liverpool are selling him is because he does not fit into there team and by the same token, I think we are evolving and need players that work for the team.

The assists were there, not as many as he got goals but I reckon he got 4-5 a season, which is fine considering he was our main goal threat.

Defensive ability, who cares he's a 9, his main defensive contributions should've been to close down defenders a few times, be an 'out' ball for us to clear to and come back and be a presence defending set pieces, he did all of those to an acceptable standard.

Lay offs - he's probably the best forward we've had in the last 15-20 years at bringing people into play so I'm not sure where to start with that criticism.

Liverpool are selling him because their fans never wanted him and without that support his head has gone down and he's a shadow of the player we sold them, not because he's one-dimensional.

He's as complete a centre-forward as anyone in the league and Villa fans criticising him smacks a little of 'yeah well he wasn't that great anyway' to make themselves feel a little better over him leaving. The one-dimensional player you're describing is the guy we bought to replace him.

spread of goals round the team?? you can defend from the front, the best teams do. and to buy a player back, after his had his big move, whats his head going to be saying to him.

seriously his not coming back, and yes I'm one Villa fan that thinks its best for both parties.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 18, 2016, 12:48:58 PM: Benteke thought we were below him in the PL. He's sure as hell not dropping a division. He'll end at Palace before the end of the window and then some other club in two years.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: paul_e on August 18, 2016, 12:58:52 PM: Quote from: Tony Erdington on August 18, 2016, 12:47:44 PM
spread of goals round the team?? you can defend from the front, the best teams do. and to buy a player back, after his had his big move, whats his head going to be saying to him.

seriously his not coming back, and yes I'm one Villa fan that thinks its best for both parties.

Fixed your quote fail and stopped it getting messy.

How can he be held responsible for th erest of the team not scoring more goals? It's not like they weren't getting chances, it's simply that he was the only player who finished with any consistency, picking fault with him for that is just plain wrong.

Defend from the front, yes, by closing down play and not letting teams settle, he wasn't brilliant at it but he did enough. On top of that given we had no ability to keep the ball in midfield in his entire time at the club I'd rather he stay fairly central and fairly far forward to give us an option to get out from the edge of our box.

Now him coming back isn't happening so everything else you've said is moot, but earlier you called him one-dimensional, which is just incorrect, that's the point I'm arguing, not whether we should try to bring him back.

The simple fact is he won't come back because he's far too good for where we find ourselves right now but to suggest that if he was available and interested it would be a bad move for us is just ridiculous, he'd be the best player in the league by an insane margin and I'd back him to score 30-40 on his own.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 18, 2016, 01:01:03 PM: Quote from: Tony Erdington on August 18, 2016, 12:14:35 PM
I think one dimensional means exactly what you say, where were the assists, where was thee defensive ability, the lay off's the team ethic. so the reason Liverpool are selling him is because he does not fit into there team and by the same token, I think we are evolving and need players that work for the team.

Completely disagree. His presence and strength upfront allowed players like Gabby and Weimann space to act like almost effective attacking players.

In terms of 'lay-offs', than I'd much rather him attempt over-head kicks like the goal against Nowrich than tee-up inept strikers of the ball like Westwood and El Ahmadi.

I'd love to think that we're evolving as a team but sadly I think re-building is a more accurate description, and (as unrealistic as it is) I would love to see Beneteke come back.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 18, 2016, 01:13:18 PM: The interplay between Delph, Grealish and Benteke was breath taking at times, that ability and the fact that he could also be a bludgeoning centre forward makes him the opposite of one dimensional in my opinion. He won't be re-joining whilst we're in this league, however another stalled year at Liverpool and a promotion for villa might make it a more realistic opportunity next season.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Stirchley Villain on August 18, 2016, 01:21:31 PM: Anyone who thinks Benteke would come back to us is deluded.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on August 18, 2016, 01:24:35 PM: If we got promoted I think he possibly would.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 18, 2016, 01:25:38 PM: Quote from: Stirchley Villain on August 18, 2016, 01:21:31 PM
Anyone who thinks Benteke would come back to us is deluded.

Nobody knows really do they? It depends to a large extent on the will and wealth of Dr X.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on August 18, 2016, 01:26:26 PM: If Rogers thought Benteke was one-dimensional and wouldn't fit into Liverpool's team perhaps he might have mentioned it to his employers before they spunked £32m on him?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mattjpa on August 18, 2016, 01:40:28 PM: Please, please can we stop talking about Benteke? Hes gone and he is never coming back. He backs himself to be a champions league player which is why he left us. By the time we get back he will be on a long contract with a club of similar stature to where we were when he left and will have no reason to join us. come on now, let it go....
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 18, 2016, 01:52:09 PM: Quote from: mattjpa on August 18, 2016, 01:40:28 PM
Please, please can we stop talking about Benteke? Hes gone and he is never coming back. He backs himself to be a champions league player which is why he left us. By the time we get back he will be on a long contract with a club of similar stature to where we were when he left and will have no reason to join us. come on now, let it go....

I wonder if the KR Genk Forums are always talking about the possibility of tempting him back to play for them? ;-)
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: chrisw1 on August 18, 2016, 01:54:48 PM: What, Benteke's coming back? Amazing! Where are the bouncing boobs and dancing banana emoticons?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 18, 2016, 02:00:03 PM: There's more chance i'll play for the Villa this season than Benteke.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Stirchley Villain on August 18, 2016, 02:03:24 PM: My bet is on him going to Everton after a year at Palace.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on August 18, 2016, 02:03:32 PM: The only way he'll come back is if we do so well over the next three or so seasons that he'll be begging to join us, as backup to our genetically engineered Chinese super-striker whose creation was funded by Recon.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Havencheese on August 18, 2016, 02:09:37 PM: Quote from: Stirchley Villain on August 18, 2016, 02:03:24 PM
My bet is on him going to Everton after a year at Palace.

Was just thinking along those lines.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Des Little on August 18, 2016, 03:59:50 PM: Quote from: chrisw1 on August 18, 2016, 01:54:48 PM
What, Benteke's coming back? Amazing! Where are the bouncing boobs and dancing banana emoticons?

Fcuk the bananas!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Rigadon on August 18, 2016, 04:30:26 PM: Quote from: Des Little on August 18, 2016, 03:59:50 PM
Quote from: chrisw1 on August 18, 2016, 01:54:48 PM
What, Benteke's coming back? Amazing! Where are the bouncing boobs and dancing banana emoticons?

Fcuk the bananas!

An interesting choice to make...
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Leicester_Villian on August 18, 2016, 04:38:19 PM: At the moment there is not a lot of interest in Benteke from Premier clubs apart from Palace ........

If we wants to play football why not come back? He left because the team was only going in one direction and had no aims .......

Dr Tony is talking the talk and it could be an option ...money talks ........... he would rip the Championship apart

There was no ill feeling when he went and everybody understood it ..........

Liverpool may well come in for Amarvi if reports are right so why not try it
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 18, 2016, 04:56:41 PM: Benteke is rumoured to be on £120-140K a week and will cost £30m+. Does anyone seriously think we'll be smashing to bits our transfer and wages records as a second division club?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Leicester_Villian on August 18, 2016, 05:14:47 PM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 18, 2016, 04:56:41 PM
Benteke is rumoured to be on £120-140K a week and will cost £30m+. Does anyone seriously think we'll be smashing to bits our transfer and wages records as a second division club?

Maybe if Liverpool are serious about Amarvi then something could be looked at ........ I am not convinced that Ayew fits into the team as where he is playing is not his strength ........... those two out and one in ...... net spend couple of million
Lets be honest with Benteke up front in this current team you would very seriously be looking at automatic promotion

Gollini
De Laat Elphick Chester Bennett
Bacuna Tshibola Jedineck Grealish
Benteke McCorkmack
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on August 18, 2016, 05:31:09 PM: Quote from: Leicester_Villian on August 18, 2016, 05:14:47 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 18, 2016, 04:56:41 PM
Benteke is rumoured to be on £120-140K a week and will cost £30m+. Does anyone seriously think we'll be smashing to bits our transfer and wages records as a second division club?

Maybe if Liverpool are serious about Amarvi then something could be looked at ........ I am not convinced that Ayew fits into the team as where he is playing is not his strength ........... those two out and one in ...... net spend couple of million
Lets be honest with Benteke up front in this current team you would very seriously be looking at automatic promotion

Gollini
De Laat Elphick Chester Bennett
Bacuna Tshibola Jedineck Grealish
Benteke McCorkmack

Yes, but there are still no circumstances under which we'll be buying him as a second division club.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: markeeeebeeee2005 on August 18, 2016, 05:32:08 PM: 'Amavi'
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villafirst on August 18, 2016, 05:42:51 PM: Jedinak
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 18, 2016, 05:43:56 PM: De Laet.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: markeeeebeeee2005 on August 18, 2016, 05:50:01 PM: Tbf im not going to try and spell the name of our central midfielder beginning with T. I just won't pass comment on him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: AGRIPPA on August 18, 2016, 05:56:44 PM: I thought Bennett had gone???
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: villadelph on August 18, 2016, 05:57:30 PM: Quote from: AGRIPPA on August 18, 2016, 05:56:44 PM
I thought Bennett had gone???

Tony pulled the plug in the 11th hour.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: chrisw1 on August 18, 2016, 05:58:44 PM: This thread is getting silly. He's not coming home and we need to move on.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on August 18, 2016, 06:01:42 PM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 18, 2016, 04:56:41 PM
Benteke is rumoured to be on £120-140K a week and will cost £30m+. Does anyone seriously think we'll be smashing to bits our transfer and wages records as a second division club?

Exactly . Benteke was never quoted as saying anything encouraging about the club in his time here. He gave the impression that we were a small stepping stone on his path to greatness. Now its all gone wrong the only clubs in the top division showing an interest are Crystal Palace and West Brom. That speaks volumes!

Remember his goals by all means......but forget him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ian. on August 18, 2016, 06:07:07 PM: Back in the real world is there any (substantial) rumours about anyone else?

I can get quite used to this business of a rumour and it resulting into an actually signing.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: john e on August 18, 2016, 06:33:05 PM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 18, 2016, 04:56:41 PM
Benteke is rumoured to be on £120-140K a week and will cost £30m+. Does anyone seriously think we'll be smashing to bits our transfer and wages records as a second division club?

he could come back in the same car as Milner and Barry,
all three are desperate to come back I'm sure and take wage reductions to boot

There's a spare seat for the snake but I believe they said No
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villafirst on August 18, 2016, 07:01:44 PM: Apparently fee agreed with Palace for Benteke...must say their ground is a bit of a dump.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: dave shelley on August 18, 2016, 07:05:17 PM: Quote from: Villafirst on August 18, 2016, 07:01:44 PM
Apparently fee agreed with Palace for Benteke...must say their ground is a bit of a dump.

He's inching ever closer to Arsenal. Fuck him!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tony Erdington on August 18, 2016, 07:13:33 PM: Quote from: dave shelley on August 18, 2016, 07:05:17 PM
Quote from: Villafirst on August 18, 2016, 07:01:44 PM
Apparently fee agreed with Palace for Benteke...must say their ground is a bit of a dump.

He's inching ever closer to Arsenal. Fuck him!

Crystal palace, the beast moves on to bigger and better all the time, Damn why wont the Belgium messi come to us, cries into half empty pint of beer.

Fuck him
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on August 18, 2016, 07:28:17 PM: How about a £8-10 million offer for Connor Wickham then
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 18, 2016, 07:28:48 PM: Quote from: footyskillz on August 18, 2016, 07:28:17 PM
How about a £8-10 million offer for Connor Wickham then

Great idea - so long as it's not from us.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on August 18, 2016, 07:33:33 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 18, 2016, 07:28:48 PM
Quote from: footyskillz on August 18, 2016, 07:28:17 PM
How about a £8-10 million offer for Connor Wickham then

Great idea - so long as it's not from us.

Loan?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on August 18, 2016, 07:33:44 PM: Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 18, 2016, 07:28:48 PM
Quote from: footyskillz on August 18, 2016, 07:28:17 PM
How about a £8-10 million offer for Connor Wickham then

Great idea - so long as it's not from us.
Woeful player with the sort of attitude that would see him join Gabby's gang.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on August 18, 2016, 07:44:39 PM: Quote from: footyskillz on August 18, 2016, 07:33:33 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 18, 2016, 07:28:48 PM
Quote from: footyskillz on August 18, 2016, 07:28:17 PM
How about a £8-10 million offer for Connor Wickham then

Great idea - so long as it's not from us.

Loan?

I expect better from you footyskillz.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Richard E on August 18, 2016, 07:53:00 PM: Quote from: dave shelley on August 18, 2016, 07:05:17 PM
Quote from: Villafirst on August 18, 2016, 07:01:44 PM
Apparently fee agreed with Palace for Benteke...must say their ground is a bit of a dump.

He's inching ever closer to Arsenal. Fuck him!
He must be devastated at not getting his dream move to The Hawthorns.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on August 18, 2016, 07:57:05 PM: Quote from: Newby on August 18, 2016, 07:44:39 PM
Quote from: footyskillz on August 18, 2016, 07:33:33 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 18, 2016, 07:28:48 PM
Quote from: footyskillz on August 18, 2016, 07:28:17 PM
How about a £8-10 million offer for Connor Wickham then

Great idea - so long as it's not from us.

Loan?

I expect better from you footyskillz.

I didn't say Walters or Nugent ! :) sorry . Will try harder ! No A* alevel there then. Trying to think of a striker who can come
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on August 18, 2016, 07:59:46 PM: Quote from: supertom on August 18, 2016, 07:33:44 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 18, 2016, 07:28:48 PM
Quote from: footyskillz on August 18, 2016, 07:28:17 PM
How about a £8-10 million offer for Connor Wickham then

Great idea - so long as it's not from us.
Woeful player with the sort of attitude that would see him join Gabby's gang.

Didn't know who is off pitch antics ! Ahhh no wonder hasn't amount to much ! Good Intel! Yeah I don't want any more of those types. Do you like Walters - a tough competitor! Or Nugent -champ skills and know how. I can't think anymore experience strikers from prem league who could come
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: paul_e on August 18, 2016, 08:09:57 PM: Quote from: footyskillz on August 18, 2016, 07:59:46 PM
Quote from: supertom on August 18, 2016, 07:33:44 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 18, 2016, 07:28:48 PM
Quote from: footyskillz on August 18, 2016, 07:28:17 PM
How about a £8-10 million offer for Connor Wickham then

Great idea - so long as it's not from us.
Woeful player with the sort of attitude that would see him join Gabby's gang.

Didn't know who is off pitch antics ! Ahhh no wonder hasn't amount to much ! Good Intel! Yeah I don't want any more of those types. Do you like Walters - a tough competitor! Or Nugent -champ skills and know how. I can't think anymore experience strikers from prem league who could come

No and no. It's not about being experienced or not, it's about being the type of player we need. We need pace the only one of our attackers with any pace (assuming Gabby and Adama are out) is Ayew and even then he's not much quicker than your average professional, Rudy, Jack and RM are all slow and that lack of pace makes us predictable. RHM and Green are both pretty quick but they're too inexperienced for us to rely on them to change the game like that. We need a quick striker who likes the ball into feet or on the floor into the channels and we need another winger.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VillaSpen on August 18, 2016, 08:10:30 PM: Klopp very politely telling Danny Ings to bugger off somewhere and get games. Nobody has our number 9 shirt yet.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 18, 2016, 08:12:18 PM: Quote from: VillaSpen on August 18, 2016, 08:10:30 PM
Klopp very politely telling Danny Ings to bugger off somewhere and get games. Nobody has our number 9 shirt yet.

I think he would be ideal. Whilst not lightening quick he is a right pest and constantly on the move.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 18, 2016, 08:12:49 PM: There's still places to fill on our bench. Why not?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on August 18, 2016, 08:13:41 PM: Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 18, 2016, 08:12:18 PM
Quote from: VillaSpen on August 18, 2016, 08:10:30 PM
Klopp very politely telling Danny Ings to bugger off somewhere and get games. Nobody has our number 9 shirt yet.

I think he would be ideal. Whilst not lightening quick he is a right pest and constantly on the move.

Ings can only get better !!! That's the one !! Get him . Great shout ! Our work is fine and done
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on August 18, 2016, 08:15:16 PM: Quote from: paul_e on August 18, 2016, 08:09:57 PM
Quote from: footyskillz on August 18, 2016, 07:59:46 PM
Quote from: supertom on August 18, 2016, 07:33:44 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 18, 2016, 07:28:48 PM
Quote from: footyskillz on August 18, 2016, 07:28:17 PM
How about a £8-10 million offer for Connor Wickham then

Great idea - so long as it's not from us.
Woeful player with the sort of attitude that would see him join Gabby's gang.

Didn't know who is off pitch antics ! Ahhh no wonder hasn't amount to much ! Good Intel! Yeah I don't want any more of those types. Do you like Walters - a tough competitor! Or Nugent -champ skills and know how. I can't think anymore experience strikers from prem league who could come

No and no. It's not about being experienced or not, it's about being the type of player we need. We need pace the only one of our attackers with any pace (assuming Gabby and Adama are out) is Ayew and even then he's not much quicker than your average professional, Rudy, Jack and RM are all slow and that lack of pace makes us predictable. RHM and Green are both pretty quick but they're too inexperienced for us to rely on them to change the game like that. We need a quick striker who likes the ball into feet or on the floor into the channels and we need another winger.

Someone suggested Danny ings. Is that a good compromise. I agree with pace and your response makes sense upon reflection ! What do you maje of ings for your criteria
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on August 18, 2016, 08:16:44 PM: Truth be told I thought ings was pretty pacey like weimann or something.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on August 18, 2016, 08:26:27 PM: Jay Rodriguez Southampton.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Exeter 77 on August 18, 2016, 08:52:14 PM: Quote from: footyskillz on August 18, 2016, 08:26:27 PM
Jay Rodriguez Southampton.
He's great at diving for penalties in the Holte End 18 yard area. Still can't forgive that.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on August 18, 2016, 09:07:55 PM: Quote from: Exeter 77 on August 18, 2016, 08:52:14 PM
Quote from: footyskillz on August 18, 2016, 08:26:27 PM
Jay Rodriguez Southampton.
He's great at diving for penalties in the Holte End 18 yard area. Still can't forgive that.

Wonder if palace fans forgive benteke after alleged dive last season to win
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Richard E on August 18, 2016, 09:09:08 PM: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/08/18/aston-villa-consider-3m-move-for-tottenham-defender-deandre-yedl/
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: The Left Side on August 18, 2016, 09:10:06 PM: Quote from: Richard E on August 18, 2016, 09:09:08 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/08/18/aston-villa-consider-3m-move-for-tottenham-defender-deandre-yedl/

Be nice if that deal came off
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Chris Jameson on August 18, 2016, 09:31:46 PM: Quote from: footyskillz on August 18, 2016, 07:28:17 PM
How about a £8-10 million offer for Connor Wickham then

Hasn't he got an even worse scoring record than Agbonlahor over the last three seasons?

Is he the new Jozy Altidore?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on August 18, 2016, 09:38:35 PM: I'd like Wells. Lots of pace which is what we need.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: paul_e on August 18, 2016, 09:42:09 PM: Quote from: footyskillz on August 18, 2016, 08:15:16 PM
Quote from: paul_e on August 18, 2016, 08:09:57 PM
Quote from: footyskillz on August 18, 2016, 07:59:46 PM
Quote from: supertom on August 18, 2016, 07:33:44 PM
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on August 18, 2016, 07:28:48 PM
Quote from: footyskillz on August 18, 2016, 07:28:17 PM
How about a £8-10 million offer for Connor Wickham then

Great idea - so long as it's not from us.
Woeful player with the sort of attitude that would see him join Gabby's gang.

Didn't know who is off pitch antics ! Ahhh no wonder hasn't amount to much ! Good Intel! Yeah I don't want any more of those types. Do you like Walters - a tough competitor! Or Nugent -champ skills and know how. I can't think anymore experience strikers from prem league who could come

No and no. It's not about being experienced or not, it's about being the type of player we need. We need pace the only one of our attackers with any pace (assuming Gabby and Adama are out) is Ayew and even then he's not much quicker than your average professional, Rudy, Jack and RM are all slow and that lack of pace makes us predictable. RHM and Green are both pretty quick but they're too inexperienced for us to rely on them to change the game like that. We need a quick striker who likes the ball into feet or on the floor into the channels and we need another winger.

Someone suggested Danny ings. Is that a good compromise. I agree with pace and your response makes sense upon reflection ! What do you maje of ings for your criteria

Ings would be superb, I think I said as much about 6-7 weeks ago on this thread. He's not super fast but he's clever and times his runs well which more than makes up for it. On top of that he can come deeper if needed (so could play with Gestede as well) and he's scored goals at every level he's played. Even on loan until January he'd be a fantastic signing.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: eamonn on August 18, 2016, 09:47:01 PM: Quote from: Ads on August 18, 2016, 09:38:35 PM
I'd like Wells. Lots of pace which is what we need.

Can't forgive him for Bradford or Rodriguez for Saints.
Only pure players who have not smithed us in the past. It's a short shortlist containing innocuous hotshots like Kevin Kyle.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Grande Pablo on August 18, 2016, 09:48:24 PM: Ings'd be great for a year - maybe a year is a lot of "game time".
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: paul_e on August 18, 2016, 09:51:10 PM: Quote from: eamonn on August 18, 2016, 09:47:01 PM
Quote from: Ads on August 18, 2016, 09:38:35 PM
I'd like Wells. Lots of pace which is what we need.

Can't forgive him for Bradford or Rodriguez for Saints.
Only pure players who have not smithed us in the past. It's a short shortlist containing innocuous hotshots like Kevin Kyle.

I personally don't rate Wells. he did ok the other night and was good in their cup run a few years back but I'm totally against buying player because they played well against us when we were shit.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: villadelph on August 18, 2016, 09:59:43 PM: Can't spurs fleecing Yedlin for 3m..

Ings could do a job here, I wonder if he's still in the same shape he was 2 years ago..
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: four fornicholl on August 18, 2016, 10:00:15 PM: It isn't going to be Berahino is it, is it? Ill get my coat.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Concrete John on August 18, 2016, 10:01:46 PM: Of the strikers:-
No to Wells
Maybe to Ings
Yes to Bamford

We'll also need another wide option if Traore goes.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: eamonn on August 18, 2016, 10:04:29 PM: I hope Rushian gets a chance soon. The lad looked sharp in pre-season.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: paul_e on August 18, 2016, 10:05:47 PM: I don't see the appeal of Bamford, Was shit in both loans last season and whenever I saw him for Boro (very limited times to be fair) he looked like a decent poacher but not much more than that.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Richard on August 18, 2016, 10:31:13 PM: Ings is too similar to RM for me, need a quicker striker.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Holte L2 on August 18, 2016, 10:35:31 PM: Jonathan Kodjia for me.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: johnny from donny on August 18, 2016, 10:52:32 PM: Quote from: Holte L2 on August 18, 2016, 10:35:31 PM
Jonathan Kodjia for me.

Can't see that happening, their chairman was in the press a few weeks back saying that he will only go to a premier league club for silly money and that he's not for sale to a championship club at any price.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on August 18, 2016, 10:58:44 PM: Quote from: paul_e on August 18, 2016, 09:51:10 PM
Quote from: eamonn on August 18, 2016, 09:47:01 PM
Quote from: Ads on August 18, 2016, 09:38:35 PM
I'd like Wells. Lots of pace which is what we need.

Can't forgive him for Bradford or Rodriguez for Saints.
Only pure players who have not smithed us in the past. It's a short shortlist containing innocuous hotshots like Kevin Kyle.

I personally don't rate Wells. he did ok the other night and was good in their cup run a few years back but I'm totally against buying player because they played well against us when we were shit.

He did score nearly 20 goals last season. Seeing him at the game the other night, I would say he is the type of forward we need, in that he's quick, has got good movement and is a real nuisance for defenders.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Gareth on August 18, 2016, 11:40:33 PM: Striker who always looks sharp is Assombalonga - Forest owner is barking too so a decent offer might get snapped up
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: OCD on August 19, 2016, 12:10:35 AM: Moyes is supposedly looking at Assombalonga with the view to signing him for Sunderland.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on August 19, 2016, 12:37:38 AM: Quote from: OCD on August 19, 2016, 12:10:35 AM
Moyes is supposedly looking at Assombalonga with the view to signing him for Sunderland.

Another one who would be a good signing for us. He might not fancy the move up there and is move just across the midlands might be more appealing.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on August 19, 2016, 02:52:09 AM: Quote from: paul_e on August 18, 2016, 10:05:47 PM
I don't see the appeal of Bamford, Was shit in both loans last season and whenever I saw him for Boro (very limited times to be fair) he looked like a decent poacher but not much more than that.

Depends on how much money we have left though. I'd still say either another midfielder or a creative player are bigger priorities (especially if we have no chance at salvaging Adama), so if there's only room for one, Bamford's probably the best we can manage in the loan market, and the fact that he at the very least scores goals means you can feel comfortable with rotating him with one of the current starters.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Holte L2 on August 19, 2016, 06:54:53 AM: Quote from: johnny from donny on August 18, 2016, 10:52:32 PM
Quote from: Holte L2 on August 18, 2016, 10:35:31 PM
Jonathan Kodjia for me.

Can't see that happening, their chairman was in the press a few weeks back saying that he will only go to a premier league club for silly money and that he's not for sale to a championship club at any price.

I did see that. Money talks though! I reckon we'll be going for Hernandez!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 19, 2016, 08:11:34 AM: Quote from: johnny from donny on August 18, 2016, 10:52:32 PM
Quote from: Holte L2 on August 18, 2016, 10:35:31 PM
Jonathan Kodjia for me.

Can't see that happening, their chairman was in the press a few weeks back saying that he will only go to a premier league club for silly money and that he's not for sale to a championship club at any price.

The other downside with Kodjia is that (I think) he'll be away for the ACN in January, along with Ayew. Losing 2 of our first-choice strikers for a month would be a big hit.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 19, 2016, 08:14:32 AM: Quote from: passitsideways on August 19, 2016, 02:52:09 AM
Depends on how much money we have left though.

We received £66.2m for last season in the Premiership. We stand to pick up a £40m parachute payment this season and to date, our trading stands at about £20m. I'd hope we still have money available to improve the squad.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on August 19, 2016, 08:17:47 AM: Quote from: RussellC on August 19, 2016, 08:11:34 AM
Quote from: johnny from donny on August 18, 2016, 10:52:32 PM
Quote from: Holte L2 on August 18, 2016, 10:35:31 PM
Jonathan Kodjia for me.

Can't see that happening, their chairman was in the press a few weeks back saying that he will only go to a premier league club for silly money and that he's not for sale to a championship club at any price.

The other downside with Kodjia is that (I think) he'll be away for the ACN in January, along with Ayew. Losing 2 of our first-choice strikers for a month would be a big hit.

He might - but he's only been capped a couple of times. Bony, Kalou, Gervinho, Sio and Doumbia are probably all ahead of him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulTheVillan on August 19, 2016, 08:18:08 AM: Quote from: Gareth on August 18, 2016, 11:40:33 PM
Striker who always looks sharp is Assombalonga - Forest owner is barking too so a decent offer might get snapped up
He would be a great addition
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 19, 2016, 08:27:00 AM: Ings is too similar to McCormack for me. In the system that RDM wants to play we need a striker who's more capable of playing with his back to goal IMO. Hence the links to players like Hernandez and the starting place for Gestede.

I'm not too sure how effective someone like Bamford would be in this role either, so I'd possibly be looking at somebody like Beneteke at Liverpool (just kidding). Frustratingly, I think that a fit Libor Kozak would be a great fit, but that's equally as unlikely as the previous suggestion!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 19, 2016, 08:28:11 AM: Quote from: Dave on August 19, 2016, 08:17:47 AM
He might - but he's only been capped a couple of times. Bony, Kalou, Gervinho, Sio and Doumbia are probably all ahead of him.

Good point. Although, I guess, the hope would be that if we signed him he'd score a fair few goals between now and January, perhaps pushing himself further up the pecking-list?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on August 19, 2016, 10:01:37 AM: Definitely need a backup/replacement for Rudy. I'd like to see Kozak have a chance to be this player but I can't see that happening
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 19, 2016, 10:03:33 AM: I don't believe Kozak exists.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dr Butler on August 19, 2016, 10:11:59 AM: I know it's the Mail but...DeAndre Yedlin linked...or have I actually missed that boat already :)

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-heres-what-fans-11771123

UTV
The Doc
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 19, 2016, 10:16:17 AM: Quote from: RussellC on August 19, 2016, 08:27:00 AM
Ings is too similar to McCormack for me. In the system that RDM wants to play we need a striker who's more capable of playing with his back to goal IMO. Hence the links to players like Hernandez and the starting place for Gestede.

I'm not too sure how effective someone like Bamford would be in this role either, so I'd possibly be looking at somebody like Beneteke at Liverpool (just kidding). Frustratingly, I think that a fit Libor Kozak would be a great fit, but that's equally as unlikely as the previous suggestion!

Good points Russell. On that basis - the back to goal bit - I think Bamford could actually be a good fit as I think he is more of this ilk that playing off the defender's shoulder.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: JJ-AV on August 19, 2016, 10:19:36 AM: If we're getting Yedlin, while we're there I'd try and get Bentaleb on loan. That'd sort us out in centre- midfield for the season.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 19, 2016, 10:37:27 AM: Hasnt the Dr said one more signing ?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: OCD on August 19, 2016, 10:46:54 AM: Quote from: VILLA MOLE on August 19, 2016, 10:37:27 AM
Hasnt the Dr said one more signing ?

He said the difficult one that may take a while is the new number 9 and then in a separate tweet said he thought there would be a couple more too.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 19, 2016, 10:48:43 AM: Quote from: OCD on August 19, 2016, 10:46:54 AM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on August 19, 2016, 10:37:27 AM
Hasnt the Dr said one more signing ?

He said the difficult one that may take a while is the new number 9 and then in a separate tweet said he thought there would be a couple more too.

Cheers I wonder if they plan to replace Adama now ??
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 19, 2016, 11:04:18 AM: Yeah - we definitely need a winger if Traore is off, or not going to be involved. Callum McManaman's been mentioned previously, and I think would be a decent addition.

On a side note, I wonder how many free agents will still be available after the window shuts. Leon Osman is still clubless and might be a good option if we do miss out in the supposed chase of Ravel Morrison. Similarly, Hal Robson-Kanu's still not got a club. Steve Clarke will know him well from Reading and he can play as a winger or a striker.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: rob_bridge on August 19, 2016, 11:12:08 AM: Osman is a really good shout for me. The very type of professional we have missed in recent years.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Nelson Lodge on August 19, 2016, 11:12:40 AM: Quote from: Dr Butler on August 19, 2016, 10:11:59 AM
I know it's the Mail but...DeAndre Yedlin linked...or have I actually missed that boat already :)

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-heres-what-fans-11771123

UTV
The Doc

Another case of lazy Brum Mail journo rehashing a story. This time from the Telegraph.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 19, 2016, 11:17:19 AM: John Percy's usually on the money, so if he's reporting it in The Telegraph there's a strong possibility that we are interested.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: OCD on August 19, 2016, 11:50:00 AM: It would explain why nothing has happened with De Laet. If the Mail are right and Derby have agreed a fee, it's a good move to let somebody else do the donkey work when it comes to dealing with Levy and then swooping in at the last minute.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Joe S on August 19, 2016, 11:51:31 AM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 19, 2016, 10:03:33 AM
I don't believe Kozak exists.

Seriously, what has happened to him?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on August 19, 2016, 11:55:00 AM: He is on loan to the Royal College of Osteology in Bloomsbury in term time. Probably catching some rays on the Adriatic right now I daresay.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 19, 2016, 03:38:17 PM: Charlie Austin...imagine that.

Year too late but never mind.

We'd be on full championship cheat mode with him and McCormack as strikeforce and Gestede in reserve.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 19, 2016, 04:16:03 PM: Austin?? Where's that come from?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on August 19, 2016, 04:18:01 PM: Quote from: f1sav on August 19, 2016, 11:51:31 AM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 19, 2016, 10:03:33 AM
I don't believe Kozak exists.

Seriously, what has happened to him?

Spotted on the pitch after the Huddersfield game
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on August 19, 2016, 04:19:46 PM: Quote from: mr underhill on August 19, 2016, 04:16:03 PM
Austin?? Where's that come from?

Longbridge.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 19, 2016, 05:15:52 PM: very good I now feel a bit of a Charlie
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on August 19, 2016, 06:00:40 PM: Maybe an outlandish move for Nasri on loan should be attempted. Victir moses would get on well in championship. These signings needed to match Newcastle forays in market.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: MonsXI on August 19, 2016, 06:59:23 PM: Quote from: footyskillz on August 19, 2016, 06:00:40 PM
Maybe an outlandish move for Nasri on loan should be attempted. Victir moses would get on well in championship. These signings needed to match Newcastle forays in market.

Lololololololol
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 19, 2016, 07:34:37 PM: Skillz - I'm hearing a whisper of a Messi/Adama exchange with money our way is on the cards.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: john e on August 19, 2016, 07:59:03 PM: Incog tweets we are interested in a Marc Albrighton return
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on August 19, 2016, 08:17:39 PM: Quote from: john e on August 19, 2016, 07:59:03 PM
Incog tweets we are interested in a Marc Albrighton return

I could see that.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on August 19, 2016, 08:25:42 PM: Quote from: PeterWithe on August 19, 2016, 08:17:39 PM
Quote from: john e on August 19, 2016, 07:59:03 PM
Incog tweets we are interested in a Marc Albrighton return

I could see that.

i could see us being interested but if he does want to go he will have better offers
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: johnny from donny on August 19, 2016, 09:08:58 PM: There is a world of difference between being interested in signing someone and being likely to sign someone.

Is there anyone that's accurate more often than not on twitter with regards to Villa? I do follow incog. and agent Dave as well as Pat Murphy.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Stirchley Villain on August 19, 2016, 09:14:43 PM: Quote from: PeterWithe on August 19, 2016, 08:17:39 PM
Quote from: john e on August 19, 2016, 07:59:03 PM
Incog tweets we are interested in a Marc Albrighton return

I could see that.

Hope above reason..?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on August 19, 2016, 09:19:09 PM: Quote from: johnny from donny on August 19, 2016, 09:08:58 PM
There is a world of difference between being interested in signing someone and being likely to sign someone.

Is there anyone that's accurate more often than not on twitter with regards to Villa? I do follow incog. and agent Dave as well as Pat Murphy.

Agent Dave? Does he get anything right?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: johnny from donny on August 19, 2016, 09:25:39 PM: Yes, usually about 10 minutes after it's been on SSN with the word "hearing" at the beginning of his tweet
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: OCD on August 19, 2016, 09:27:19 PM: Why would he want to leave right now? He'll probably be playing in the Champions League this season.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on August 19, 2016, 09:47:08 PM: If we resign Albrighton, are we going to have to pay 89 million quid to get him back here?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Richard E on August 19, 2016, 09:50:44 PM: Quote from: johnny from donny on August 19, 2016, 09:08:58 PM
There is a world of difference between being interested in signing someone and being likely to sign someone.

Is there anyone that's accurate more often than not on twitter with regards to Villa? I do follow incog. and agent Dave as well as Pat Murphy.

Andy Gray's son Jamie sometimes comes up with the goods. He said Clark was off ages before anyone else.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on August 19, 2016, 10:09:05 PM: I wouldn't be happy to see albrighton back. He needed to move on
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ian. on August 19, 2016, 11:11:15 PM: Quote from: PeterWithe on August 19, 2016, 08:17:39 PM
Quote from: john e on August 19, 2016, 07:59:03 PM
Incog tweets we are interested in a Marc Albrighton return

I could see that.
I'd rather have him than some of the shit we've had, N'Zog and now the unwilling Adama and Veretout. Fucking felchers.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brontebilly on August 19, 2016, 11:17:22 PM: Any word on Veretout leaving? Seems to be gone a bit quiet. Much better player than Gary Gardner if he could be integrated back in. Option on right too and has a fine delivery.

Two weeks out and efforts to shift Gabby, Richards, Lescott, Bennett, Veretout, Okore seem to be stuck. Traore hopefully can convince a Spanish club to take him with his come and get me plea. Think we will be forced to integrate some of these back in.

Also think we should be open to offers on Westwood and Ayew, decent players but we can probably get better replacements. Hopefully Rangers come in for Hutton too.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: villan from luton on August 19, 2016, 11:23:33 PM: Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on August 19, 2016, 10:09:05 PM
I wouldn't be happy to see albrighton back. He needed to move on

Maybe he did need to move on, but I would be delighted to have him bank, cant see it though
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Smoke on August 19, 2016, 11:26:43 PM: Albrighton + Justheade = Yes.

He would have better offers though. Being a Villa fan though he might be open to it.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Bottom Right 89 on August 19, 2016, 11:27:28 PM: Why would Marc walk away from the champions and champions league to scrap away in the championship? Come on I know he's a Villa fan but this is a ridiculous story.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Smoke on August 19, 2016, 11:28:08 PM: I agree.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 19, 2016, 11:31:53 PM: Nasri, Benteke, Albrighton. Piece of piss signing them.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: adrenachrome on August 19, 2016, 11:46:57 PM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 19, 2016, 11:31:53 PM
Nasri, Benteke, Albrighton. Piece of piss signing them.

RDM wants them "as a three" after watching an episode of MOTD last season.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on August 20, 2016, 12:52:46 PM: Quote from: adrenachrome on August 19, 2016, 11:46:57 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 19, 2016, 11:31:53 PM
Nasri, Benteke, Albrighton. Piece of piss signing them.

RDM wants them "as a three" after watching an episode of MOTD last season.

No nasri on the bench or squad for man city. We never know !
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Karlos96 on August 20, 2016, 01:29:54 PM: I see Benteke has completed his move to Palace not a great start with his post on Twitter:

(https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14045786_10154477638444914_5793020101348575206_n.jpg?oh=d49c1bddad9303c637992e972d7bc306&oe=58133233)
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: dave shelley on August 20, 2016, 01:31:31 PM: Quote from: Karlos96 on August 20, 2016, 01:29:54 PM
I see Benteke has completed his move to Palace not a great start with his post on Twitter:

(https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14045786_10154477638444914_5793020101348575206_n.jpg?oh=d49c1bddad9303c637992e972d7bc306&oe=58133233)

Never got that road atlas of Great Britain then?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: paul_e on August 20, 2016, 01:32:28 PM: Just desperately wanted to be back in claret and blue
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on August 20, 2016, 01:33:35 PM: Ravel Morrison not starting for Lazio, not in the full match squad either by the looks of it
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on August 20, 2016, 01:34:11 PM: I thought the whole point of using a PR agency to do your tweets is to avoid stupid gaffes.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 20, 2016, 01:38:34 PM: Christian Benteke ‏@chrisbenteke 40m
Oops my bad lol Yes I signed for cpfc and not burnley. Sorry for the little mistake the person that manages my Twitter got a little confused
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 20, 2016, 01:39:20 PM: Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on August 20, 2016, 01:33:35 PM

Ravel Morrison not starting for Lazio, not in the full match squad either by the looks of it

As long as he's not joining us I don't really care.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: villadelph on August 20, 2016, 02:08:37 PM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 20, 2016, 01:38:34 PM
Christian Benteke ‏@chrisbenteke 40m
Oops my bad lol Yes I signed for cpfc and not burnley. Sorry for the little mistake the person that manages my Twitter got a little confused

What a stooge.

He'll probably net 20 goals and Liverpool will buy him back in the summer for £33m.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: eamonn on August 20, 2016, 02:23:20 PM: He must be gutted that no one big came in for him. Palace fans will be delighted he's not up against them anymore. Scored winners at Selhurst in the last two seasons for us and Liverpool. The winner for us was the Beast at his best. All done by himself from the halfway line.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: curiousorange on August 20, 2016, 02:55:34 PM: I think it's going to be Benteke's lot to go to teams who will struggle and rip it up. I honestly thought he was world class (or if not, very near to it) at Villa and would be brilliant anywhere. But he's signed for Crystal Palace when I thought he'd be playing in Madrid now.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 20, 2016, 03:05:08 PM: Benteke's desperation to get away from us led him to make a move to a side that simply didn't fit the way he likes to play the game. If there is one thing Sherwood (AKA the cock) would have done is played to his strengths. Rodgers was influenced by the committee up there to bring in a player that in no way worked in his system, but the money was there and spent and Benteke and his roach of an agent got rich. On the back of missing the WC, he then fucks up his chances of the Euro's by disappearing off the map as a footballer at the elite level at precisely the wrong time. Now instead of leading the line at one of Europe's top clubs which we all thought he'd be at if he just bided his time with us, he's now going to play mid table PL football for the next couple of seasons before trying to get a move away again. I have no doubt he'll do ok with Palace. It won't shock me to see him get 15 this season and restore some of his credibility, but he will never be the bright talent that threatened to be so much more while he was with us.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 20, 2016, 03:53:28 PM: got a feeling his three years with us will be the longest stay at any club during his career
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: villadelph on August 20, 2016, 04:05:16 PM: Quote from: mr underhill on August 20, 2016, 03:53:28 PM
got a feeling his three years with us will be the longest stay at any club during his career

As long as Kismet Eris is representing him..
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: The Man With A Stick on August 20, 2016, 04:08:41 PM: No disrespect to them intended, but who would have thought, two or three years ago, that'd he'd be lining up for Palace.

Oh well, at least he didn't up signing for Smethwick.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: john e on August 20, 2016, 06:23:09 PM: I personally think he could well play for us again at some point in the near future
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Stirchley Villain on August 20, 2016, 06:31:19 PM: Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 20, 2016, 03:05:08 PM
Benteke's desperation to get away from us led him to make a move to a side that simply didn't fit the way he likes to play the game. If there is one thing Sherwood (AKA the cock) would have done is played to his strengths. Rodgers was influenced by the committee up there to bring in a player that in no way worked in his system, but the money was there and spent and Benteke and his roach of an agent got rich. On the back of missing the WC, he then fucks up his chances of the Euro's by disappearing off the map as a footballer at the elite level at precisely the wrong time. Now instead of leading the line at one of Europe's top clubs which we all thought he'd be at if he just bided his time with us, he's now going to play mid table PL football for the next couple of seasons before trying to get a move away again. I have no doubt he'll do ok with Palace. It won't shock me to see him get 15 this season and restore some of his credibility, but he will never be the bright talent that threatened to be so much more while he was with us.

Good post. I've got Everton down as his next move.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tony Erdington on August 20, 2016, 06:53:29 PM: Quote from: Stirchley Villain on August 20, 2016, 06:31:19 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 20, 2016, 03:05:08 PM
Benteke's desperation to get away from us led him to make a move to a side that simply didn't fit the way he likes to play the game. If there is one thing Sherwood (AKA the cock) would have done is played to his strengths. Rodgers was influenced by the committee up there to bring in a player that in no way worked in his system, but the money was there and spent and Benteke and his roach of an agent got rich. On the back of missing the WC, he then fucks up his chances of the Euro's by disappearing off the map as a footballer at the elite level at precisely the wrong time. Now instead of leading the line at one of Europe's top clubs which we all thought he'd be at if he just bided his time with us, he's now going to play mid table PL football for the next couple of seasons before trying to get a move away again. I have no doubt he'll do ok with Palace. It won't shock me to see him get 15 this season and restore some of his credibility, but he will never be the bright talent that threatened to be so much more while he was with us.

Good post. I've got Everton down as his next move.

yes good post, but I cant help but smile, crystal fucking palace , like I give a fuck.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 20, 2016, 07:24:38 PM: We badly need some pace.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KRS on August 20, 2016, 07:26:04 PM: Still need 4 more players...2 midfielders, a right back and a forward.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Mister E on August 20, 2016, 07:26:06 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 20, 2016, 07:24:38 PM
We badly need some pace.
RHM and Green?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 20, 2016, 07:27:50 PM: We've needed a no 9 who can lead the line, get in behind and score goals since benteke left

I'm not sure if bamford is that man

It definitely isn't kozak tho!!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Hairbandinho on August 20, 2016, 07:28:20 PM: Quote from: KRS on August 20, 2016, 07:26:04 PM
Still need 4 more players...2 midfielders, a right back and a forward.

100% agree. I think without these we won't stand a chance of promotion. Get them and we would have the chance
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: manic-road on August 20, 2016, 07:37:37 PM: RDM just said in the post match interview that he is looking to bringing in further attacking options, no surprise after watching todays game.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: paul_e on August 20, 2016, 07:49:29 PM: A 9 and a wide player, both with pace. If that's our lot i'd be ok with that.

Once Jedi is sorted I think the options in midfield with Lyden as backup is enough for now, that's on the basis that Veretout hasn't gone anywhere and will be reintegrated if that doesn't change.

I would like a better right back but I think that can wait until the right option is available as Bacuna is doing a decent enough job.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: four fornicholl on August 20, 2016, 07:54:28 PM: Quote from: Hairbandinho on August 20, 2016, 07:28:20 PM
Quote from: KRS on August 20, 2016, 07:26:04 PM
Still need 4 more players...2 midfielders, a right back and a forward.

100% agree. I think without these we won't stand a chance of promotion. Get them and we would have the chance
Weve already got the two midfielders
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 20, 2016, 08:04:25 PM: Quote from: paul_e on August 20, 2016, 07:49:29 PM
A 9 and a wide player, both with pace. If that's our lot i'd be ok with that.

Once Jedi is sorted I think the options in midfield with Lyden as backup is enough for now, that's on the basis that Veretout hasn't gone anywhere and will be reintegrated if that doesn't change.

I would like a better right back but I think that can wait until the right option is available as Bacuna is doing a decent enough job.

I'd agree with that. Pace from wide and up front is essential.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: dekko on August 20, 2016, 08:08:10 PM: I think we're probably OK in central midfield, the two who played today are likely to be 3rd and 4th choice, and either of them would look better next to a more dominant player like Jedinak.

Like others have said, a new RB would be nice, but the priorities are a pacy striker and a winger or creative midfielder of some sort.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tuscans on August 20, 2016, 08:14:33 PM: I don't think Bacuna has done bad at this level at right back at all. I think just one pacey bastard from anywhere to go straight up top and we'll have a good go at getting out of this league.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brontebilly on August 20, 2016, 08:29:16 PM: Jay Rodriguez on a season long loan might not be the worst shout, he needs regular football and I dont think Southampton can give it to him

Im coming more around to the idea of giving Gabby another chance too

Maybe thats a type of stockholm syndrome kicking in but after watching Kozak today, Gestede and McCormack thus far, we must have the slowest forwards in the division

We need forward options on the bench for this league, Libor Kozak aint one
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 20, 2016, 08:31:43 PM: Quote from: brontebilly on August 20, 2016, 08:29:16 PM
Jay Rodriguez on a season long loan might not be the worst shout, he needs regular football and I dont think Southampton can give it to him

Im coming more around to the idea of giving Gabby another chance too

Maybe thats a type of stockholm syndrome kicking in but after watching Kozak today, Gestede and McCormack thus far, we must have the slowest forwards in the division

We need forward options on the bench for this league, Libor Kozak aint one

Bollocks to Gabby he's fully exhausted his chances. If we're looking in house it should be Hepburn-Murphy.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 20, 2016, 08:33:29 PM: I really want us to buy Diawara plus Afobe or somebody similar in style. Bacuna looks okay in this league.

I would like 4/5 in because even with some of the dross from the first team demoted to the bench it would still look dire.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Stirchley Villain on August 20, 2016, 08:35:14 PM: Bacuna might redeem himself this year. Maybe if he does well in this league he could get the move he so craves.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on August 20, 2016, 08:45:39 PM: Number 9 is now the priority, if we only bring in 1 player from now to the end of the window it's got to be a mobile, pacy number 9 who gives us a focal point up front. Kozak, I know he's been injured but boy is he shite, Gestede a good option from the bench possibly. Get one in Dr. Tone
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Concrete John on August 20, 2016, 08:45:51 PM: Bacuna's best games for us were at RB under Sherwood, but he couldn't defend well enough for the PL. Dropping down a level and with a better coaching set up behind him, he could save us a few million in the transfer market.

Kozak was clearly not match fit, but too similar to Justhead for me and we need squad options. Quality striker with mobility and pace and we'll start looking like real promotion contenders.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on August 20, 2016, 08:55:28 PM: Having a pacy striker as well stretch the game giving Grealish, Ayew and McCormack space to work in the gaps or pick him out, please make it happen, we simply won't get promoted with Gestede or Kozak.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villafirst on August 20, 2016, 09:50:57 PM: Push the boat out and get Diawara and Bamford. We've got the money.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 20, 2016, 09:53:42 PM: Ravel Morrison not included in Lazio squad for first game of the season.

He is available for transfer then.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VancouverLion on August 20, 2016, 10:01:01 PM: I've only watched the Sheffield Wednesday game so far, don't get many games over here now.
Forgive me if I'm wrong but but I thought McCormack would be the focal point of our attack an out & out goal scorer if you like, why are we playing him so deep - he's not a number 10 is he?
I'd have thought Ayew & Jack would play left and right behind him.
UTV
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 20, 2016, 10:42:13 PM: I'm hoping we see a couple of moves this week.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: andyh on August 20, 2016, 10:49:47 PM: I am more than happy with Tish and Jedinak as the muscle in midfield.
But, we are desperate for a playmaker and a true no:9.

If we solve those issues then I think we can make a real fist of it this year, but, I really have no idea who those players should be.

Let's hope RDM and the Good Doctor do.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Hairbandinho on August 20, 2016, 11:08:14 PM: And when they get suspended or injured you think Gardner and Westwood are good enough?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on August 20, 2016, 11:08:36 PM: Quote from: VancouverLion on August 20, 2016, 10:01:01 PM
I've only watched the Sheffield Wednesday game so far, don't get many games over here now.
Forgive me if I'm wrong but but I thought McCormack would be the focal point of our attack an out & out goal scorer if you like, why are we playing him so deep - he's not a number 10 is he?
I'd have thought Ayew & Jack would play left and right behind him.
UTV

Hey Vancouver maybe you can catch highlights on websites so can check out more. There isn't as much coverage as premier league but sky sports website and others do have some goals and things . Hope that helps pal

http://www.101greatgoals.com/teams/aston-villa/amp/

Is one such site hope I'm allowed to post
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Gareth on August 20, 2016, 11:09:21 PM: After today want another midfield enforcer in case Jedinak or Tshibola get a bad knock, just can't see a promotion bid with Westwood in the middle.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on August 20, 2016, 11:11:34 PM: Westwood played well today.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on August 20, 2016, 11:13:16 PM: Quote from: brontebilly on August 20, 2016, 08:29:16 PM
Jay Rodriguez on a season long loan might not be the worst shout, he needs regular football and I dont think Southampton can give it to him

Im coming more around to the idea of giving Gabby another chance too

Maybe thats a type of stockholm syndrome kicking in but after watching Kozak today, Gestede and McCormack thus far, we must have the slowest forwards in the division

We need forward options on the bench for this league, Libor Kozak aint one

Defo a lack of pace but I don't think derby has to much pace up there either
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 20, 2016, 11:13:19 PM: Quote from: Gareth on August 20, 2016, 11:09:21 PM
After today want another midfield enforcer in case Jedinak or Tshibola get a bad knock, just can't see a promotion bid with Westwood in the middle.

I'm assuming you didn't watch the game? Westwood was very good today.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: andyh on August 20, 2016, 11:15:38 PM: I think Westwood would be OK alongside either Tish or Jedinak should either of them be unavailable.
We have seen already this season that he has been ok when playing with Tish.
I agree though, Westwood looks totally exposed when being asked to provide the quality when he is playing alongside the likes of Gardner etc.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on August 20, 2016, 11:19:38 PM: I saw him failing to take responsibility and losing it on occasions or passing the ball to ayew or another with players on them. He was okay and did a few good press and tackles couple offence passes but did do a crude challenge on will hughes seemingly over eager . Decent enough at this level.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 20, 2016, 11:20:20 PM: Quote from: andyh on August 20, 2016, 11:15:38 PM
I think Westwood would be OK alongside either Tish or Jedinak should either of them be unavailable.
We have seen already this season that he has been ok when playing with Tish.
I agree though, Westwood looks totally exposed when being asked to provide the quality when he is playing alongside the likes of Gardner etc.

I agree, but Westwood is perfectly good alongside Tish or Jedi and therefore is a valuable squad member.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KRS on August 21, 2016, 12:05:48 AM: I'd be interested to know the percentage of forward passes he makes. All I saw today was Westwood passing it sideways or backwards...sure it means we keep possession most of the time, but he more often than not slows the game down and contributes very little in terms of creativity.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ROBBO on August 21, 2016, 01:18:02 AM: Westwood is an i'll try not to make a mistake rather than a i'll try to make something happen type of player see plenty of the ball but never does much with it. We found out today if there was any doubt left that Kozak is no back up leading the line, need to get someone in quickly.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on August 21, 2016, 01:19:28 AM: N'Koudou about to move to Tottenham from Marseille. I wonder if this is part of any deal for Veretout, now that they have a bit of money? Will soon see I suppose.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 21, 2016, 02:30:51 AM: Talk is Veretout is having a medical at St Ettienne on Monday. If true, then it creates space for another central midfielder.

I do think with the likes of Jedinak, McCormack, Elphick and Chester through the spine, we might get the best out of Ravel Morrison, but his character would always be a worry.

Up front the more I watch us the more I think we need a decent sized forward with pace. Wells might be too short, Hernandez looks pretty ideal but doubt we would get him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 21, 2016, 02:36:04 AM: I really wish we'd give RHM a go.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 21, 2016, 02:43:32 AM: Agree on that PWS. Today I would have much sooner seen him than kozak, but we seem to like a big focal point. Ayew is basically playing wide because he works hard.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: robbo1874 on August 21, 2016, 03:20:34 AM: Quote from: ozzjim on August 21, 2016, 02:30:51 AM
Talk is Veretout is having a medical at St Ettienne on Monday. If true, then it creates space for another central midfielder.

I do think with the likes of Jedinak, McCormack, Elphick and Chester through the spine, we might get the best out of Ravel Morrison, but his character would always be a worry.

Up front the more I watch us the more I think we need a decent sized forward with pace. Wells might be too short, Hernandez looks pretty ideal but doubt we would get him.
the Hernandez link seemed to be quite strong a week or so back. Seems to have gone quiet now- I reckon it might be dead now.

I'd take Morrison on Loan if it were possible to do a deal, with a view to a permanent deal if he comes good.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: pbavfckuwait on August 21, 2016, 05:45:33 AM: We need more because the bench yesterday was awful.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 21, 2016, 06:48:05 AM: Six would probably be the minimum really as we are starting from such a low base - yesterday was a good result, given the side we were able to field .
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: London Villan on August 21, 2016, 07:47:52 AM: We won't sign six more players now. It will be 2 or 3, max, including a loan or two.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ldavfc4eva on August 21, 2016, 08:17:37 AM: I wonder how much Charlie Austin would cost and if Southampton would let him go, him up top with McCormack behind and Jack and Ayew out wide would rip the division up.

Probably a no go though, as some one posted earlier Jay Rodriguez on loan would be a good shout, similar with Ings on loan for the season.

Kozak looked way off to me and we need one more up front and if Gestede stays then we don't need both as they are too similar.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Gareth on August 21, 2016, 09:32:44 AM: 2 maybe 3 more in then let it bed down for a couple of months & then RDM will be able to clearly see if further changes needed in Jan window.

Centre forward, right back essential - centre mid or wide player would be nice.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on August 21, 2016, 09:35:30 AM: Newsnow has Morrison in, Veretout out. I'd be happy with that. The forward is the tricky bit, I understand Tony 's tweet now! Who the he'll do we go for?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: in exile on August 21, 2016, 09:38:14 AM: http://www.royalgazette.com/soccer/article/20160820/villa-join-race-to-sign-wells
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on August 21, 2016, 10:25:22 AM: forward wise i think we are okay, it would be a left back (amavi wide left in midfield) and another two central midfielders
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: QuintonVilla on August 21, 2016, 10:30:53 AM: Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on August 21, 2016, 10:25:22 AM
forward wise i think we are okay, it would be a left back (amavi wide left in midfield) and another two central midfielders
Not having a pop mate but how are we ok forward wise? Did you see Kozak yesterday? Ayew isn't an out and out striker, McCormack likes to drop deep, Gestede is good in the air but has the mobility of an oil tanker.

We need a striker with pace who can get in behind and give us an outlet. Hernandez at Hull would be perfect but would he drop down a level?

I still think we need another midfielder with something different aswell, in both league away games so far there hasn't been a spark and there looks a lack of creativity in midfield. Ravel Morrison could be the answer, he would excite the fans but his attitude is obviously questionable.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on August 21, 2016, 10:41:34 AM: Sounds like able Hernandez is one of the 4 or 5 and hopefully the one of two in. V Decent if fee can be agreeed! Rumour dropping up again it's great he wants to come here

Ravel Morrison being the other one of all the speculatuon accurate. Hopefully get those 2 early and a couple more id targets aewnt too similar maybe some loan of bamford
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on August 21, 2016, 10:50:53 AM: Morrison has been left out of the Lazio squad apparently for today's game. I think we need another forward and possibly another centre half although I think he'll play Richards there if he needs to unfortunately.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on August 21, 2016, 10:58:19 AM: I know Kozak was crap but the bloke has barely played for a long time. I'm usually brutal but some of you are 'well harsh'.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on August 21, 2016, 12:09:05 PM: Quote from: Clampy on August 21, 2016, 10:50:53 AM
Morrison has been left out of the Lazio squad apparently for today's game. I think we need another forward and possibly another centre half although I think he'll play Richards there if he needs to unfortunately.

Might as well write off whatever game Richards plays at centre back, the blokes a disaster. I thought Baker and Clark were poor but this guy takes it to a new level of bad defending.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: olaftab on August 21, 2016, 12:47:02 PM: Ravel Morrison set to move to Aston Villa
Lazio midfielder Ravel Morrison is set to return to England with Aston Villa.
The talented but controversial former Manchester United starlet was left out of the Lazio squad for their season opener against Atalanta because he is close to a move to Villa Park, according to Corriere Dello Sport.
Morrison has only made eight appearances for Lazio since moving last year.
Will the 23-year-old's turbulent career settle down under Roberto Di Matteo?

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3751366/Transfer-news-LIVE-Arsenal-Chelsea-Manchester-City-Everton-news-plus-latest-Europe.html#ixzz4HxyopV1g
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Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: timeoutbigbar on August 21, 2016, 12:55:16 PM: Quote from: olaftab on August 21, 2016, 12:47:02 PM
Ravel Morrison set to move to Aston Villa
Lazio midfielder Ravel Morrison is set to return to England with Aston Villa.
The talented but controversial former Manchester United starlet was left out of the Lazio squad for their season opener against Atalanta because he is close to a move to Villa Park, according to Corriere Dello Sport.
Morrison has only made eight appearances for Lazio since moving last year.
Will the 23-year-old's turbulent career settle down under Roberto Di Matteo?

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3751366/Transfer-news-LIVE-Arsenal-Chelsea-Manchester-City-Everton-news-plus-latest-Europe.html#ixzz4HxyopV1g
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If he's only made 8 appearances for them, it surely isn't inconceivable that he's just been left out of the squad. As much as there may be talent there, I'd rather not. We need characters, yes, just not that sort of character.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on August 21, 2016, 12:59:26 PM: Quote from: timeoutbigbar on August 21, 2016, 12:55:16 PM
Quote from: olaftab on August 21, 2016, 12:47:02 PM
Ravel Morrison set to move to Aston Villa
Lazio midfielder Ravel Morrison is set to return to England with Aston Villa.
The talented but controversial former Manchester United starlet was left out of the Lazio squad for their season opener against Atalanta because he is close to a move to Villa Park, according to Corriere Dello Sport.
Morrison has only made eight appearances for Lazio since moving last year.
Will the 23-year-old's turbulent career settle down under Roberto Di Matteo?

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3751366/Transfer-news-LIVE-Arsenal-Chelsea-Manchester-City-Everton-news-plus-latest-Europe.html#ixzz4HxyopV1g
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If he's only made 8 appearances for them, it surely isn't inconceivable that he's just been left out of the squad. As much as there may be talent there, I'd rather not. We need characters, yes, just not that sort of character.

Apparently he's had a great pre-season and his omission has come as a bit of a shock. Can anyone tell me what his last misdemeanor was ?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villafirst on August 21, 2016, 12:59:44 PM: We need creativity. I'd take a chance on Morrison who has pace and trickery. Hope it's true.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 21, 2016, 01:08:55 PM: We have some really solid characters at the club now in key positions and I include the owner and manager in that. We can only assume they have done their due diligence on the player and Morrison has matured himself. The mere thought of Grealish and Morrison playing together or being an option off the bench is very exciting. Add in someone like Hernandez and a new RB and we are in a good spot.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on August 21, 2016, 01:12:22 PM: Depends on the fee and length of contract, I suppose. If we can keep it to a relatively low-cost gamble, then fair enough.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: thick_mike on August 21, 2016, 01:16:08 PM: If you have some solid strong characters in the dressing room, then you can handle a more volatile player in that atmosphere. Looks like Jedi, Elphick and Chester won't put up with any crap. If we were dropping him into our dressing room last year, maybe not so clever
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on August 21, 2016, 01:24:44 PM: Quote from: Villafirst on August 21, 2016, 12:59:44 PM
We need creativity. I'd take a chance on Morrison who has pace and trickery. Hope it's true.

Ayew aside, thought we lacked pace in the second half and couldn't break out. We need to add some pace to our attack.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: OCD on August 21, 2016, 01:35:55 PM: By all accounts Morrison has enough talent that he would be playing at the very top level if it wasn't for his immaturity. Between living abroad and being 23 now, hopefully he's growing up a bit and if we can benefit from that sort of talent and a potentially new level of maturity, he could be a top signing. As TV and others have said, we've got a growing list of leaders now and we're getting rid of those who would be bad influences. So there's a lot of upside. If he hasn't grown up, he might not get given another chance.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: DB on August 21, 2016, 01:40:43 PM: Quote from: OCD on August 21, 2016, 01:35:55 PM
By all accounts Morrison has enough talent that he would be playing at the very top level if it wasn't for his immaturity. Between living abroad and being 23 now, hopefully he's growing up a bit and if we can benefit from that sort of talent and a potentially new level of maturity, he could be a top signing. As TV and others have said, we've got a growing list of leaders now and we're getting rid of those who would be bad influences. So there's a lot of upside. If he hasn't grown up, he might not get given another chance.

Yes, it certainly worked with Gazza when he went to Lazio...winky.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 21, 2016, 01:43:52 PM: Gascoigne was well established as a player but also in terms of who he already was an individual. What he somehow managed to do for most of his career was perform despite all of his issues, and he was very good at Lazio. Morrison has numerous mountains to climb before he gets to be compared to Gascoigne. And after he left Lazio he had a great 3 years at Rangers.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: GarTomas on August 21, 2016, 01:45:07 PM: Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 21, 2016, 01:43:52 PM
Gascoigne was well established as a player but also in terms of who he already was an individual. What he somehow managed to do for most of his career was perform despite all of his issues, and he was very good at Lazio. Morrison has numerous mountains to climb before he gets to be compared to Gascoigne. And after he left Lazio he had a great 3 years at Rangers.

Wasn't Doug quoted once at almost signing him??
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 21, 2016, 01:48:46 PM: Quote from: GarTomas on August 21, 2016, 01:45:07 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 21, 2016, 01:43:52 PM
Gascoigne was well established as a player but also in terms of who he already was an individual. What he somehow managed to do for most of his career was perform despite all of his issues, and he was very good at Lazio. Morrison has numerous mountains to climb before he gets to be compared to Gascoigne. And after he left Lazio he had a great 3 years at Rangers.

Wasn't Doug quoted once at almost signing him??

I imagine there is a very long list of players Doug nearly signed. Lineker and Juninho immediately come to mind. I'm sure there are loads more.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Witton Warrior on August 21, 2016, 02:06:49 PM: Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 21, 2016, 01:48:46 PM
Quote from: GarTomas on August 21, 2016, 01:45:07 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 21, 2016, 01:43:52 PM
Gascoigne was well established as a player but also in terms of who he already was an individual. What he somehow managed to do for most of his career was perform despite all of his issues, and he was very good at Lazio. Morrison has numerous mountains to climb before he gets to be compared to Gascoigne. And after he left Lazio he had a great 3 years at Rangers.

Wasn't Doug quoted once at almost signing him??

I imagine there is a very long list of players Doug nearly signed. Lineker and Juninho immediately come to mind. I'm sure there are loads more.

Remember that rumour that he was at a home match and signing for us, appeared at another club two days later...
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 21, 2016, 02:10:59 PM: Tony has said that Morrison is not on our target list
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: CT on August 21, 2016, 02:33:41 PM: A good, sensible, friend of mine said a White Range Rover with the Reg R4VEL shot past him on the M42 about 15 minutes ago.

Could be something, could be nothing!!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 21, 2016, 02:40:22 PM: Quote from: CT on August 21, 2016, 02:33:41 PM
A good, sensible, friend of mine said a White Range Rover with the Reg R4VEL shot past him on the M42 about 15 minutes ago.

Could be something, could be nothing!!

Great! He hasn't signed yet and he's going to be pulled over for speeding...
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on August 21, 2016, 02:50:04 PM: Quote from: VinnieChase84 on August 21, 2016, 02:10:59 PM
Tony has said that Morrison is not on our target list

FFS
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 21, 2016, 02:58:00 PM: His statement on Twitter can be read both ways
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 21, 2016, 03:43:55 PM: but he hardly conforms to the essential criteria as laid down by the good Doctor .
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: eric woolban woolban on August 21, 2016, 04:36:04 PM: Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on August 21, 2016, 12:59:26 PM
Quote from: timeoutbigbar on August 21, 2016, 12:55:16 PM
Quote from: olaftab on August 21, 2016, 12:47:02 PM
Ravel Morrison set to move to Aston Villa
Lazio midfielder Ravel Morrison is set to return to England with Aston Villa.
The talented but controversial former Manchester United starlet was left out of the Lazio squad for their season opener against Atalanta because he is close to a move to Villa Park, according to Corriere Dello Sport.
Morrison has only made eight appearances for Lazio since moving last year.
Will the 23-year-old's turbulent career settle down under Roberto Di Matteo?

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3751366/Transfer-news-LIVE-Arsenal-Chelsea-Manchester-City-Everton-news-plus-latest-Europe.html#ixzz4HxyopV1g
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If he's only made 8 appearances for them, it surely isn't inconceivable that he's just been left out of the squad. As much as there may be talent there, I'd rather not. We need characters, yes, just not that sort of character.

Apparently he's had a great pre-season and his omission has come as a bit of a shock. Can anyone tell me what his last misdemeanor was ?

Turning out for Blose.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on August 21, 2016, 05:10:08 PM: Quote from: VinnieChase84 on August 21, 2016, 02:10:59 PM
Tony has said that Morrison is not on our target list

Maybe the deal has been done and hence, he's no longer a target
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on August 21, 2016, 05:10:36 PM: Quote from: eric woolban woolban on August 21, 2016, 04:36:04 PM
Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on August 21, 2016, 12:59:26 PM
Quote from: timeoutbigbar on August 21, 2016, 12:55:16 PM
Quote from: olaftab on August 21, 2016, 12:47:02 PM
Ravel Morrison set to move to Aston Villa
Lazio midfielder Ravel Morrison is set to return to England with Aston Villa.
The talented but controversial former Manchester United starlet was left out of the Lazio squad for their season opener against Atalanta because he is close to a move to Villa Park, according to Corriere Dello Sport.
Morrison has only made eight appearances for Lazio since moving last year.
Will the 23-year-old's turbulent career settle down under Roberto Di Matteo?

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3751366/Transfer-news-LIVE-Arsenal-Chelsea-Manchester-City-Everton-news-plus-latest-Europe.html#ixzz4HxyopV1g
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If he's only made 8 appearances for them, it surely isn't inconceivable that he's just been left out of the squad. As much as there may be talent there, I'd rather not. We need characters, yes, just not that sort of character.

Apparently he's had a great pre-season and his omission has come as a bit of a shock. Can anyone tell me what his last misdemeanor was ?

Turning out for Blose.

Where he played very well for Lee Clark. However this is not the type of "character" we need down Villa Park.....not in any way!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 21, 2016, 05:23:14 PM: Tone's latest tweet reads like we are buying a RB and world class No 9 so anything else would appear to be loans.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: old man villa fan on August 21, 2016, 05:35:56 PM: I wonder if the forward is Loic Remy. With Benteke now at Palace, they may not be interested in him. He now looks to be out of Chelsea's plans.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 21, 2016, 05:56:39 PM: Quote from: mr underhill on August 21, 2016, 05:23:14 PM
Tone's latest tweet reads like we are buying a RB and world class No 9 so anything else would appear to be loans.

wont be Bamford hopefully then

spoke to my Palace family today who were raving about Jedi and saying they were gutted he has gone and he will be brilliant for villa , well they call Bamford , Bamfraud , they both said he was absolute useless , stay well clear .
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 21, 2016, 06:05:37 PM: Assume the new RB is Yedlin and the De Laet links have gone quiet.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 21, 2016, 06:22:45 PM: the Bamford thing is an odd one - if he was that good he should have been snapped up by now. Remy would be immense in the Chumps.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 21, 2016, 06:43:44 PM: "World class" is going to backfire on him, I suspect
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: JJ-AV on August 21, 2016, 06:45:05 PM: I reckon it'll be Hernandez and Yedlin.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on August 21, 2016, 06:47:41 PM: If Benin qualify for the ACON Rudy Gestede will be loping his stuff on a world stage. It is all relative I'm afraid these days.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KevinGage on August 21, 2016, 07:04:22 PM: He probably means Hernandez.

Uruguay international, plenty of experience playing in Serie A with Palermo and now playing in The Best League in the World (tm) -even if it is only for Hull.

To someone from China, that is world class.

It looks like there was contact earlier in the summer and we weren't politely told to get knotted.

With the manager situation at Hull, it makes sense that he'd want to keep his options open. Depending on how badly we want him, it's not inconceivable that we'd offer more money (even in the Championship) than what he is on at Hull. Even if we were only offering parity, it's another signing on fee.

Far more likely is that he (or more accurately his agent) would use our interest to get better terms at Hull, or to say to other PL or topflight clubs across Europe 'Aston Villa have offered this, so you need to start here as a minimum.'

Either way, I don't see him ending up here.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 21, 2016, 07:27:27 PM: I'd be delighted with Hernandez and Yedlin
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KevinGage on August 21, 2016, 07:39:10 PM: Afobe was on the bench for Bournemouth today and didn't even get a run-out when Wilson came off.

Not sure if he is carrying a knock, but I'd sooner look at him than worry about definitions of world class.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 21, 2016, 07:47:01 PM: It's going to be someone like mad Mario
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 21, 2016, 07:49:20 PM: The fact that it now appears we are distancing ourselves from Morrison suggests we won't touch players with dodgy reputations or questionable characters again. So rule out Balotelli too*

*I now fully expect us to sign both players mentioned above.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on August 21, 2016, 07:49:33 PM: Mad Mario would be lotsafun.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 21, 2016, 07:50:22 PM: Quote from: brian green on August 21, 2016, 07:49:33 PM
Mad Mario would be lotsafun.

He has the same shit eating c*** face as Micah Richards. Nice bloke otherwise apparently. Lovely to his mum and nan.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on August 21, 2016, 08:05:28 PM: I was being ironic TV. He is a whole dressing room of trouble waiting to happen.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: QuintonVilla on August 21, 2016, 08:13:12 PM: Balotelli would be hilarious. He'd score the winner at San Giro in front of the Tilton and then take a shit in the penalty area.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 21, 2016, 08:16:09 PM: Collymore is now suggesting we could be signing Hernandez
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 21, 2016, 08:27:48 PM: Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 21, 2016, 08:16:09 PM
Collymore is now suggesting we could be signing Hernandez

Do you think he knows anything ??
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 21, 2016, 08:30:05 PM: Quote from: VILLA MOLE on August 21, 2016, 08:27:48 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 21, 2016, 08:16:09 PM
Collymore is now suggesting we could be signing Hernandez

Do you think he knows anything ??

Stan's pretty connected in the game but who knows? Hull despite their start are a bit of a disaster behind the scenes so the owners might sell at the right price. The player has suggested he's join us. An interesting 10 days ahead.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on August 21, 2016, 08:33:48 PM: Of all the striker links, Hernandez would be my choice.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 21, 2016, 08:34:12 PM: Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 21, 2016, 08:30:05 PM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on August 21, 2016, 08:27:48 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 21, 2016, 08:16:09 PM
Collymore is now suggesting we could be signing Hernandez

Do you think he knows anything ??

Stan's pretty connected in the game but who knows? Hull despite their start are a bit of a disaster behind the scenes so the owners might sell at the right price. The player has suggested he's join us. An interesting 10 days ahead.

true the only thing with that was Hull needing every player they have , but you never know
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Lsvilla on August 21, 2016, 08:37:45 PM: Quote from: QuintonVilla on August 21, 2016, 08:13:12 PM
Balotelli would be hilarious. He'd score the winner at San Giro in front of the Tilton and then take a shit in the penalty area.
Genius. Thanks for this - the finest and most "wish it could come true" post in ages. FWIW I think Hernandez is the one and I'll be happy with that but a part of me will always yearn for this
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: QuintonVilla on August 21, 2016, 09:22:43 PM: I also think it will be Hernandez, he's not world class but it would be a decent statement by us to get him to drop back down a level. He would be the exact type of striker we need and would guarantee at least 15-20 goals.

I think if we add him and Yedlin, and maybe a creative midfielder if I'm being greedy, we should be looking at top 2.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on August 21, 2016, 09:22:57 PM: Wilfred Bony before he moves onto China ? Makes sense loan till January window then he goes African nations the Chinese super league . Everyone a winner
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 21, 2016, 09:28:59 PM: Hernandez would be a really good signing.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on August 21, 2016, 09:36:05 PM: Emmanuel Adebayor has been described as such as Dimitor Berbatov. There's also hal Robson kanu world class showing in euros but I think we could be looking at miroslav klose or ronaldinho! Now those 2 are world class!
They are all unattached I believe !
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villafirst on August 21, 2016, 10:21:16 PM: Can't really see Bayer Leverkusen letting Hernandez go? Would be class signing - but would he drop to the Championship?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 21, 2016, 10:33:01 PM: Quote from: Villafirst on August 21, 2016, 10:21:16 PM
Can't really see Bayer Leverkusen letting Hernandez go? Would be class signing - but would he drop to the Championship?

Wrong Hernandez.
Title: ravel morrison
Post by: trevor fisher on August 21, 2016, 11:30:49 PM: Rumours are getting stronger Ravel Morrison is coming to Villa from Lazio. If so, would this be a good move? Probably in my view - especially if Veretout leaves this window - we desperately need midfield creativity. MOrrison has it. But failing at Man U, West Ham and now Lazio shows there is something wrong with his approach. 8 games and 159 minutes at Lazio this season was poor, though a new country is a hard ask.

He could be the making of our poor midfield, and give us the attacking option Veretout did not. He is a gamble as he is not a proven team player. But that is for the manager to decide as the risk to team unity seems to be an issue. Its odd no one is talking about midfield. We do need a striker and a right back, but midfield is calling out for a creative player to supplement or supplant WEstwood or Gardner. What do other fans think?
Title: Re: ravel morrison
Post by: Steve67 on August 21, 2016, 11:34:32 PM: I think this could go in the transfer thread.
Title: Re: ravel morrison
Post by: Chinchilla Bathhouse on August 21, 2016, 11:48:02 PM: Quote from: trevor fisher on August 21, 2016, 11:30:49 PM
Its odd no one is talking about midfield.

Blimey Trevor, what forum are you reading?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: trevor fisher on August 22, 2016, 04:42:29 AM: The story was on two sites yesterday, Football Italia at 8 59 and Eurosport at 9 53. Both seem to come from a report in Italian on Corriere Della Sport and I don't read ITalian. Rumour has been around for a while, but this one says Morrison left out of pre season match at Bergamo and was seen at Rome's Fiumcino airport. But if he was heading to England then the English media should pick up this soon. Wait and see!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Virgil Caine on August 22, 2016, 08:48:39 AM: Reports suggest Veretout on a season long loan to St Etienne will be completed today.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dr Butler on August 22, 2016, 09:50:04 AM: just seen something on facebook about Villa being interested in Balotelli....

UTV
The Doc
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: LeeS on August 22, 2016, 09:58:25 AM: Quote from: Dr Butler on August 22, 2016, 09:50:04 AM
just seen something on facebook about Villa being interested in Balotelli....

UTV
The Doc

Could go one of two ways. He comes in an decides to break the Championship goalscoring record and becomes a hero. Or he comes in and takes his £X'000 per week wages and sulks. I don't see an in-between option.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 22, 2016, 10:02:40 AM: I reckon he'd slaughter the Championship, but file under "no fucking chance of it happening".
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: not3bad on August 22, 2016, 10:12:23 AM: Quote from: trevor fisher on August 22, 2016, 04:42:29 AM
The story was on two sites yesterday, Football Italia at 8 59 and Eurosport at 9 53. Both seem to come from a report in Italian on Corriere Della Sport and I don't read ITalian. Rumour has been around for a while, but this one says Morrison left out of pre season match at Bergamo and was seen at Rome's Fiumcino airport. But if he was heading to England then the English media should pick up this soon. Wait and see!

Dr X has stated pretty clear that this isn't going to happen.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dr Butler on August 22, 2016, 10:14:22 AM: Quote from: LeeS on August 22, 2016, 09:58:25 AM
Quote from: Dr Butler on August 22, 2016, 09:50:04 AM
just seen something on facebook about Villa being interested in Balotelli....

UTV
The Doc

Could go one of two ways. He comes in an decides to break the Championship goalscoring record and becomes a hero. Or he comes in and takes his £X'000 per week wages and sulks. I don't see an in-between option.

I agree LeeS....he has so much talent.

UTV
The Doc
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: OCD on August 22, 2016, 10:16:40 AM: It seems we're not interested in Morrison because of his off-field antics. I can't see us being interested in Balotelli in that case.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave P on August 22, 2016, 10:17:11 AM: Quote from: Dr Butler on August 22, 2016, 09:50:04 AM
just seen something on facebook about Villa being interested in Balotelli....

UTV
The Doc

Dr Tony, went up north
In a Hyundai i20
Brough us back a star striker
Mario Balotelli

Or something like that ....
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 22, 2016, 11:18:50 AM: Quote from: OCD on August 22, 2016, 10:16:40 AM
It seems we're not interested in Morrison because of his off-field antics. I can't see us being interested in Balotelli in that case.

So far as I know Balotelli has been a bit of a loose cannon but hasn't encountered legal problems. His misdemeanours are far less serious that Morrison's.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 22, 2016, 11:55:56 AM: With Hull so short of players maybe we could off load a few of the bomb-squad as part of any Hernandez deal. Gabby/Richards/Lescott all seem pretty 'billy-big-bollocks' and probably think they deserve to be in the PL.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mallo on August 22, 2016, 12:21:58 PM: Balotelli? No thanks - he's a loon and if Liverpool can't get him motivated we'd have no chance.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: paul_e on August 22, 2016, 12:23:38 PM: Quote from: cdbullyweefan on August 22, 2016, 11:18:50 AM
Quote from: OCD on August 22, 2016, 10:16:40 AM
It seems we're not interested in Morrison because of his off-field antics. I can't see us being interested in Balotelli in that case.

So far as I know Balotelli has been a bit of a loose cannon but hasn't encountered legal problems. His misdemeanours are far less serious that Morrison's.

I wouldn't be surprised, from everything I've read, if he has autism/asperger's, the vast majority of his issues are related to him being inappropriate (walking away from people whilst they talk to him, wanting his friend with him all the time, interrupting team talks, making jokes at bad times, etc) rather than being intentionally nasty or disruptive. I'd take him and I contract him to spend some many hours a month with a therapist. If they can find a way to get him to focus on football he has the potential to be a top player so it'd be worth a go.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Bottom Right 89 on August 22, 2016, 12:32:47 PM: I hope this is just twitter and tabloid rubbish. I'd have more objection to signing Balotelli than when Alex McCleish became manager - we're seeing embryonic signs of a team spirit developing again why would you chuck this lunatic into the mix and ruin it? If we're going to spank 100k a week on a striker there are far better options. Just the thought of him down Bodymoor holding a Villa shirt makes my blood boil.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 22, 2016, 12:46:10 PM: chill - it's baliobollocks
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: eamonn on August 22, 2016, 12:49:02 PM: Didn't we wait 500 pages in the January transfer-thread in the faint hope of one miserly signing? 420 in this time round and we've bought half a team. Whatever happens over the next 10 days we'll always have this. Thanks hun.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 22, 2016, 01:02:13 PM: Quote from: Dave P on August 22, 2016, 10:17:11 AM
Quote from: Dr Butler on August 22, 2016, 09:50:04 AM
just seen something on facebook about Villa being interested in Balotelli....

UTV
The Doc

Dr Tony, went up north
In a Nice saloon
Broughtbus back Mad Mario
The crazy fukin loon
Or something like that ....
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 22, 2016, 01:22:45 PM: Dr Tony went to Greggs
In his Mitsubishi Colt
All the locals had fat legs
Just like new signing Grant Holt.

(This may not scan as I have forgotten the tune).
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 22, 2016, 01:32:14 PM: (http://i1204.photobucket.com/albums/bb411/lemsta007/Ashley-Westwood-of-Aston-Villa-and-Mario-Balotelli-of-Liverpool_zps6n0gyt2g.jpg) (http://s1204.photobucket.com/user/lemsta007/media/Ashley-Westwood-of-Aston-Villa-and-Mario-Balotelli-of-Liverpool_zps6n0gyt2g.jpg.html)

i think Ballotelli likes to squeeze his meat and two veg down the villa
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cyrilina on August 22, 2016, 01:49:33 PM: Rongtian He, the right hand man to Dr Tony has just connected on Linkedin an hour ago with the general counsel (chief lawyer) of Leeds United AFC - could this possible mean a deal of some kind between the two clubs imminently?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on August 22, 2016, 01:52:23 PM: Maybe he's after him?

Richard E could replace him as the in house solicitor. He'd be busy.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: not3bad on August 22, 2016, 03:09:14 PM: From France: Last minute change in Aston Villa transfer, deal still going through (Jordan Vertout)

http://sportwitness.co.uk/france-last-minute-change-aston-villa-transfer-deal-still-going/?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Hookeysmith on August 22, 2016, 03:19:23 PM: Quote from: not3bad on August 22, 2016, 03:09:14 PM
From France: Last minute change in Aston Villa transfer, deal still going through (Jordan Vertout)

http://sportwitness.co.uk/france-last-minute-change-aston-villa-transfer-deal-still-going/?

What an awful site - eyes bleeding from the pop up adverts

I agree - Balls to Veretout wanting to get away as far as possible

I tell you what Mr Sulky - go and rip some trees up and maybe just maybe we will let you grace our shirt again - Billy big bollocks (with no bollocks actually)

Really disappointed in this twat
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 22, 2016, 03:20:19 PM: Balotelli would be the most talented player in the championship and would score a hatful. Can't see it happening but would be chuffed if it did.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 22, 2016, 03:20:24 PM: Happy it's just a loan. Let's see what he's like next summer. Smart move in my book.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 22, 2016, 03:22:14 PM: Would rather we were not getting Vertout back, piss poor attitude (too good for the championship despite helping get us into it). Never want to see him in a Villa shirt again.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: achilles on August 22, 2016, 03:45:41 PM: Why on earth would we want a player back, that doesn't want to play for us in the championship?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: eamonn on August 22, 2016, 03:50:28 PM: RDM might rate him and want to placate him or we feel that a good year in France will make him worth more than any clause previously in place with St Etienne for them to buy him permanently at the end of the season.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ajmant on August 22, 2016, 04:28:10 PM: Maybe Leeds are about to become a feeder club to the Villa.....
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 22, 2016, 04:31:43 PM: Quote from: ajmant on August 22, 2016, 04:28:10 PM
Maybe Leeds are about to become a feeder club to the Villa.....

Eh?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: paul_e on August 22, 2016, 04:34:00 PM: Quote from: Hookeysmith on August 22, 2016, 03:19:23 PM
Quote from: not3bad on August 22, 2016, 03:09:14 PM
From France: Last minute change in Aston Villa transfer, deal still going through (Jordan Vertout)

http://sportwitness.co.uk/france-last-minute-change-aston-villa-transfer-deal-still-going/?

What an awful site - eyes bleeding from the pop up adverts

I agree - Balls to Veretout wanting to get away as far as possible

I tell you what Mr Sulky - go and rip some trees up and maybe just maybe we will let you grace our shirt again - Billy big bollocks (with no bollocks actually)

Really disappointed in this twat

Except the only suggestion that he wants to 'get as far away as possible' is entirely from the point of view of the writer who seems to have written the story based on tweets. I'm not saying he didn't say he'd rather play in Ligue 1 than the championship but this could just as easily be our idea as it is his, or could be something tha we agree is better for his development.

If we go on the 'facts' RDM and Xia have made it clear they don't want people with a bad attitude and in this case they've altered the contract so he comes back. So either we want to keep him and he is happy with that or, as eamonn says, we think his value will be higher next summer.

I don't like the assumption that anyone who we let go has kicked up a stink and forced a move when we have no idea if that is true. Yes some papers say it but given how much bullshit gets published in the sports press I'm not sure there's any back up to those stories other than the writer thinking it's a fair guess.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: The Left Side on August 22, 2016, 04:49:57 PM: From twitter...

VillaRelated ‏@VillaRelated 2h2 hours ago
Aston Villa have offered €10.5m for Wolfsburg striker Bas Dost. [Goal] #AVFC
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: rougegorge on August 22, 2016, 04:51:21 PM: Quote from: paul_e on August 22, 2016, 04:34:00 PM
Quote from: Hookeysmith on August 22, 2016, 03:19:23 PM
Quote from: not3bad on August 22, 2016, 03:09:14 PM
From France: Last minute change in Aston Villa transfer, deal still going through (Jordan Vertout)

http://sportwitness.co.uk/france-last-minute-change-aston-villa-transfer-deal-still-going/?

What an awful site - eyes bleeding from the pop up adverts

I agree - Balls to Veretout wanting to get away as far as possible

I tell you what Mr Sulky - go and rip some trees up and maybe just maybe we will let you grace our shirt again - Billy big bollocks (with no bollocks actually)

Really disappointed in this twat

Except the only suggestion that he wants to 'get as far away as possible' is entirely from the point of view of the writer who seems to have written the story based on tweets. I'm not saying he didn't say he'd rather play in Ligue 1 than the championship but this could just as easily be our idea as it is his, or could be something tha we agree is better for his development.

If we go on the 'facts' RDM and Xia have made it clear they don't want people with a bad attitude and in this case they've altered the contract so he comes back. So either we want to keep him and he is happy with that or, as eamonn says, we think his value will be higher next summer.

I don't like the assumption that anyone who we let go has kicked up a stink and forced a move when we have no idea if that is true. Yes some papers say it but given how much bullshit gets published in the sports press I'm not sure there's any back up to those stories other than the writer thinking it's a fair guess.

He's ready to go...

http://sport24.lefigaro.fr/football/transferts/fil-info/veretout-est-a-saint-etienne-821832 (http://sport24.lefigaro.fr/football/transferts/fil-info/veretout-est-a-saint-etienne-821832)

Given the lack of impact he made last season, it will be quite annoying (and will also say something about him) if he now does well there.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: villadelph on August 22, 2016, 04:59:59 PM: Quote from: The Left Side on August 22, 2016, 04:49:57 PM
From twitter...

VillaRelated ‏@VillaRelated 2h2 hours ago
Aston Villa have offered €10.5m for Wolfsburg striker Bas Dost. [Goal] #AVFC

I thought Newcastle were after him?

Either way, I think he'd be a good player in England.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 22, 2016, 05:00:57 PM: Quote from: The Left Side on August 22, 2016, 04:49:57 PM
From twitter...

VillaRelated ‏@VillaRelated 2h2 hours ago
Aston Villa have offered €10.5m for Wolfsburg striker Bas Dost. [Goal] #AVFC

I thought he was going to Newcastle?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Jimbo on August 22, 2016, 05:03:02 PM: I've long thought the team needs more Bas Dosts.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Richard E on August 22, 2016, 05:04:44 PM: Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on August 22, 2016, 05:00:57 PM
Quote from: The Left Side on August 22, 2016, 04:49:57 PM
From twitter...

VillaRelated ‏@VillaRelated 2h2 hours ago
Aston Villa have offered €10.5m for Wolfsburg striker Bas Dost. [Goal] #AVFC

I thought he was going to Newcastle?

According to Wikipedia he already plays for them!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: paul_e on August 22, 2016, 05:07:17 PM: I hope not he'll too similar to Gestede. Probably a slightly better finisher but still leaves us with no pace up front.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: LukeJames on August 22, 2016, 05:10:48 PM: Dost is very much in the Gestede/Kozak mould (but obviously a better version) and wouldn't really solve our lack of pace and mobility up front.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: not3bad on August 22, 2016, 05:12:03 PM: Quote from: rougegorge on August 22, 2016, 04:51:21 PM
Quote from: paul_e on August 22, 2016, 04:34:00 PM
Quote from: Hookeysmith on August 22, 2016, 03:19:23 PM
Quote from: not3bad on August 22, 2016, 03:09:14 PM
From France: Last minute change in Aston Villa transfer, deal still going through (Jordan Vertout)

http://sportwitness.co.uk/france-last-minute-change-aston-villa-transfer-deal-still-going/?

What an awful site - eyes bleeding from the pop up adverts

I agree - Balls to Veretout wanting to get away as far as possible

I tell you what Mr Sulky - go and rip some trees up and maybe just maybe we will let you grace our shirt again - Billy big bollocks (with no bollocks actually)

Really disappointed in this twat

Except the only suggestion that he wants to 'get as far away as possible' is entirely from the point of view of the writer who seems to have written the story based on tweets. I'm not saying he didn't say he'd rather play in Ligue 1 than the championship but this could just as easily be our idea as it is his, or could be something tha we agree is better for his development.

If we go on the 'facts' RDM and Xia have made it clear they don't want people with a bad attitude and in this case they've altered the contract so he comes back. So either we want to keep him and he is happy with that or, as eamonn says, we think his value will be higher next summer.

I don't like the assumption that anyone who we let go has kicked up a stink and forced a move when we have no idea if that is true. Yes some papers say it but given how much bullshit gets published in the sports press I'm not sure there's any back up to those stories other than the writer thinking it's a fair guess.

He's ready to go...

http://sport24.lefigaro.fr/football/transferts/fil-info/veretout-est-a-saint-etienne-821832 (http://sport24.lefigaro.fr/football/transferts/fil-info/veretout-est-a-saint-etienne-821832)

Given the lack of impact he made last season, it will be quite annoying (and will also say something about him) if he now does well there.

Not if we have an option to take him back at the end of the season?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Mister E on August 22, 2016, 05:29:11 PM: Quote from: LukeJames on August 22, 2016, 05:10:48 PM
Dost is very much in the Gestede/Kozak mould (but obviously a better version) and wouldn't really solve our lack of pace and mobility up front.
Ayew, RHM, Green ....
If Dost (about whom I know nothing) reads the game well an is instinctive he'll get away with not having pace.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: eamonn on August 22, 2016, 05:29:17 PM: Quote from: Jimbo on August 22, 2016, 05:03:02 PM
I've long thought the team needs more Bas Dosts.

We could always try for his cousin, Das Boot.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 22, 2016, 05:30:27 PM: Didier Drogba.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 22, 2016, 05:33:16 PM: fake AV twitter announcement.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: atomicjam on August 22, 2016, 05:42:31 PM: When just asked if we are signing Drogba, Dr Tony Xia replied:-

Dr. Tony Xia ‏@Dr_TonyXia 59s60 seconds ago
Come on.It's not the China Villa club(maybe future will)
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 22, 2016, 05:43:39 PM: That response made me laugh.

I've also heard Robin Van Persie is linked to Villa.

That can't be real. He's still way too good for us.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: nigel on August 22, 2016, 05:58:52 PM: Quote from: paul_e on August 22, 2016, 04:34:00 PM
Quote from: Hookeysmith on August 22, 2016, 03:19:23 PM
Quote from: not3bad on August 22, 2016, 03:09:14 PM
From France: Last minute change in Aston Villa transfer, deal still going through (Jordan Vertout)

http://sportwitness.co.uk/france-last-minute-change-aston-villa-transfer-deal-still-going/?

What an awful site - eyes bleeding from the pop up adverts

I agree - Balls to Veretout wanting to get away as far as possible

I tell you what Mr Sulky - go and rip some trees up and maybe just maybe we will let you grace our shirt again - Billy big bollocks (with no bollocks actually)

Really disappointed in this twat

Except the only suggestion that he wants to 'get as far away as possible' is entirely from the point of view of the writer who seems to have written the story based on tweets. I'm not saying he didn't say he'd rather play in Ligue 1 than the championship but this could just as easily be our idea as it is his, or could be something tha we agree is better for his development.

If we go on the 'facts' RDM and Xia have made it clear they don't want people with a bad attitude and in this case they've altered the contract so he comes back. So either we want to keep him and he is happy with that or, as eamonn says, we think his value will be higher next summer.

I don't like the assumption that anyone who we let go has kicked up a stink and forced a move when we have no idea if that is true. Yes some papers say it but given how much bullshit gets published in the sports press I'm not sure there's any back up to those stories other than the writer thinking it's a fair guess.

Agree, Paul.
I doubt Veretout has said any of this stuff otherwise RDM and Dr X wouldn't have him back.
You only have to go back as far as the Bacuna incident to see how things get blown all out of proportion.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 22, 2016, 06:47:06 PM: Quote from: Mister E on August 22, 2016, 05:29:11 PM
Quote from: LukeJames on August 22, 2016, 05:10:48 PM
Dost is very much in the Gestede/Kozak mould (but obviously a better version) and wouldn't really solve our lack of pace and mobility up front.
Ayew, RHM, Green ....
If Dost (about whom I know nothing) reads the game well an is instinctive he'll get away with not having pace.

Green is a winger. RHM very young indeed. I'd have thought ayew could play there - and presumably we'll see that at Bristol if gestede is still out - but RDM doesn't seem to think so. He probably blew his audition at Luton to a large degree
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on August 22, 2016, 06:48:55 PM: Quote from: N'ZMAV on August 22, 2016, 05:43:39 PM
That response made me laugh.

I've also heard Robin Van Persie is linked to Villa.

That can't be real. He's still way too good for us.

that link is from the meaning evil so will be bollocks, they have just pulled some names out of a hat
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: saunders_heroes on August 22, 2016, 07:07:06 PM: Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on August 22, 2016, 06:48:55 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on August 22, 2016, 05:43:39 PM
That response made me laugh.

I've also heard Robin Van Persie is linked to Villa.

That can't be real. He's still way too good for us.

that link is from the meaning evil so will be bollocks, they have just pulled some names out of a hat

The Mail are trying to take the piss out of us.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: johnny from donny on August 22, 2016, 07:18:16 PM: Didn't want to start a new thread so I'll ask here.
Is there a limit to the number of players in the 1st team squad like the premier league has?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on August 22, 2016, 07:30:06 PM: Quote from: saunders_heroes on August 22, 2016, 07:07:06 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on August 22, 2016, 06:48:55 PM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on August 22, 2016, 05:43:39 PM
That response made me laugh.

I've also heard Robin Van Persie is linked to Villa.

That can't be real. He's still way too good for us.

that link is from the meaning evil so will be bollocks, they have just pulled some names out of a hat

The Mail are trying to take the piss out of us.

next it will be mario kempes and heskey lined up for shock return
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: paul_e on August 22, 2016, 07:41:23 PM: Quote from: johnny from donny on August 22, 2016, 07:18:16 PM
Didn't want to start a new thread so I'll ask here.
Is there a limit to the number of players in the 1st team squad like the premier league has?

I don't think so. It's certainly not mentioned in the rules anywhere i can see - I'd have thought it would be in here - http://www.efl.com/global/section6.aspx - specifically in rule 67 somewhere if it existed. If anyone fancies going through all the sections they might find it somewhere else but that seems to be the most likely place to mention it.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Chris Jameson on August 22, 2016, 07:50:46 PM: Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on August 22, 2016, 07:30:06 PM

next it will be mario kempes and heskey lined up for shock return

Used to love Kempes, had a tour of the Mestalla last week and forgot he played for them, went all misty eyed when saw his shirt and all the mentions of him inside the stadium.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 22, 2016, 07:58:11 PM: I would love it to be someone like Loic Remy. I know it is highly unlikely, but he is a good size, quick and would be a really exciting signing.

Hernandez would be a very good buy too.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: timeoutbigbar on August 22, 2016, 08:27:57 PM: Quote from: The Left Side on August 22, 2016, 04:49:57 PM
From twitter...

VillaRelated ‏@VillaRelated 2h2 hours ago
Aston Villa have offered €10.5m for Wolfsburg striker Bas Dost. [Goal] #AVFC

So slow and nowhere near the player he was since he picked up a serious injury last season. I'd hope the main criteria we're looking for in a striker would be pace, as its the one thing we're lacking up front.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mallo on August 22, 2016, 09:12:10 PM: I'm not overly sure on Hernandez - yes he's a Lineker style player who's usually in the right place at the right time but he's not overly skilful and I think I would prefer wells to him. Remy of course would be a massive coup but can't see it. If we could get that young lad from Forest I'm sure he'd get 15-20 for us.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Concrete John on August 22, 2016, 09:20:26 PM: I'm not sure pace is the primary attribute we need in a striker. I don't want anyone slow per se, but I expect teams to defend deep against us as we improve with new players settling in and that can negate pace. I'd rather a striker with clever movement and good finishing qualities. If he's also quick, then great.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 22, 2016, 09:31:40 PM: We lack pace all over the pitch and is one of our major problems.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Concrete John on August 22, 2016, 09:45:56 PM: We're not the quickest side, but at this level I don't see a massive problem. The points we've dropped so far have been because of poor finishing and kicking errors by our new keeper.

I'd like more pace wide, but we're playing Jack there right now. Upfront I want someone who can link with the three behind him and finish.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Richard E on August 22, 2016, 10:24:01 PM: Dr X just shot down the Bas Dost stories on Twitter - 'We need pace not height. Is he a national team player?'
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Gareth on August 22, 2016, 10:24:10 PM: Dr Tony has basically ended the Dost rumour on Twitter saying we need pace not height :-)
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on August 22, 2016, 10:28:43 PM: Quote from: Richard E on August 22, 2016, 10:24:01 PM
Dr X just shot down the Bas Dost stories on Twitter - 'We need pace not height. Is he a national team player?'

So the guy we are signing is an international and is quick. Thinking caps on!!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 22, 2016, 10:29:17 PM: Quote from: Newby on August 22, 2016, 10:28:43 PM
Quote from: Richard E on August 22, 2016, 10:24:01 PM
Dr X just shot down the Bas Dost stories on Twitter - 'We need pace not height. Is he a national team player?'

So the guy we are signing is an international and is quick. Thinking caps on!!

Usain Bolt.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 22, 2016, 10:29:53 PM: Quote from: Newby on August 22, 2016, 10:28:43 PM
Quote from: Richard E on August 22, 2016, 10:24:01 PM
Dr X just shot down the Bas Dost stories on Twitter - 'We need pace not height. Is he a national team player?'

So the guy we are signing is an international and is quick. Thinking caps on!!

New 5 year deal for Gabby it is then.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Richard E on August 22, 2016, 10:31:46 PM: Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 22, 2016, 10:29:17 PM
Quote from: Newby on August 22, 2016, 10:28:43 PM
Quote from: Richard E on August 22, 2016, 10:24:01 PM
Dr X just shot down the Bas Dost stories on Twitter - 'We need pace not height. Is he a national team player?'

So the guy we are signing is an international and is quick. Thinking caps on!!

Usain Bolt.

Don't want him. Glory-hunting Jamaica Red.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Jon Crofts on August 22, 2016, 10:31:48 PM: London press were speculating Drogba in the early editions of Standard this evening.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: wozwebs on August 22, 2016, 10:34:17 PM: Quote from: Jon Crofts on August 22, 2016, 10:31:48 PM
London press were speculating Drogba in the early editions of Standard this evening.
He shot that one down earlier too. I love him!!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: RichardBatchelor on August 22, 2016, 10:40:04 PM: Quote from: Hookeysmith on August 22, 2016, 03:19:23 PM
Quote from: not3bad on August 22, 2016, 03:09:14 PM
From France: Last minute change in Aston Villa transfer, deal still going through (Jordan Vertout)

http://sportwitness.co.uk/france-last-minute-change-aston-villa-transfer-deal-still-going/?

What an awful site - eyes bleeding from the pop up adverts

I agree - Balls to Veretout wanting to get away as far as possible

I tell you what Mr Sulky - go and rip some trees up and maybe just maybe we will let you grace our shirt again - Billy big bollocks (with no bollocks actually)

Really disappointed in this twat

Twat? Harsh.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Concrete John on August 22, 2016, 10:45:04 PM: Off all the strikers linked Hernandez seems to be the only that fits the bill. Reckon it'll either be him or someone not yet reported.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve kirk on August 22, 2016, 10:57:13 PM: Quote from: Concrete John on August 22, 2016, 10:45:04 PM
Off all the strikers linked Hernandez seems to be the only that fits the bill. Reckon it'll either be him or someone not yet reported.

Dont think Loic Remy has been reported, RDM has worked with him, not world class but very decent.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Holte L2 on August 22, 2016, 10:58:52 PM: Hernandez, Loic Remy (wishful thinking) or Jonathan Kodjia.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 22, 2016, 11:01:07 PM: If Kodjia is world class then so is Rudy.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 22, 2016, 11:07:29 PM: The owner has basically intimated that this player is playing for his country. So then let's think. Rooney? Vardy? Kane? Robson Kanu more likely?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ian. on August 22, 2016, 11:07:50 PM: Quote from: Gareth on August 22, 2016, 10:24:10 PM
Dr Tony has basically ended the Dost rumour on Twitter saying we need pace not height :-)
I wonder how confident he is?

I've never done Twitter really, every now and again I might have looked over the years but I must confess his Twitter feed is very intriguing and I'm slowly becoming a fan of Twitter.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: LukeJames on August 22, 2016, 11:18:21 PM: Just saw the 'we need pace, not height' tweet, good to see the chairman can clearly see what we see.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 22, 2016, 11:20:52 PM: I've just seen a reply he did yesterday to someone questioning the number of signings 'study math harder, 6 in plus 2 more equals 8.' Made me laugh anyway.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Holte L2 on August 22, 2016, 11:24:35 PM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 22, 2016, 11:01:07 PM
If Kodjia is world class then so is Rudy.

Good point!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 22, 2016, 11:41:47 PM: Maybe it's Marcus Rashford on loan??
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: The Left Side on August 22, 2016, 11:44:14 PM: VillaRelated ‏@VillaRelated 40m40 minutes ago
Hull City have enquired about defender Micah Richards. [Daily Mail] #AVFC

Now wouldn't that be nice if it happened.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 22, 2016, 11:48:06 PM: Fucking result of that is the case. £16m plus Richards for Hernandez. I've taken into consideration that our cock ring former captain is valued at around -£4m.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 22, 2016, 11:48:22 PM: 10 and Richards for Hernandez. Would be great!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 22, 2016, 11:54:50 PM: Does anybody seriously think Richards' ego will ever let him go to Hull?

He's prefer not to play at all, which is what I expect to happen this season.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 22, 2016, 11:58:03 PM: Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on August 22, 2016, 11:54:50 PM
Does anybody seriously think Richards' ego will ever let him go to Hull?

He's prefer not to play at all, which is what I expect to happen this season.

Hopefully his ego wants to be in the bright lights of the PL. He can line up next to that other former Villa pub player and they can compare notes as to how shit it is at B6.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on August 23, 2016, 12:18:56 AM: Quote from: Concrete John on August 22, 2016, 10:45:04 PM
Off all the strikers linked Hernandez seems to be the only that fits the bill. Reckon it'll either be him or someone not yet reported.

It's been reported that we are interested in Wells from Huddersfield. He is an international, albeit for Bermuda. Wouldn't be surprised to see Bristol City relent over Kodija this week either.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on August 23, 2016, 12:25:31 AM: Quote from: ChicagoLion on August 22, 2016, 09:31:40 PM
We lack pace all over the pitch and is one of our major problems.

I think it is certainly a problem.in the final third. In the second half on Saturday, our six attacking players consisted of Westwood, Gardner, Grealish, Ayew, McCormack and Kozak. Ayew apart, there is little pace there and it meant that when we broke on Derby, we hadn't got the pace to hurt them. I think pace is key in the Championship, particularly on the break and we could with more in the side.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 23, 2016, 12:33:52 AM: If only to keep a defence guessing, pace is a must. I do think though there must be a couple of pacey young ish forwards we can loan before the window closes.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Gareth on August 23, 2016, 08:00:07 AM: If we want to loan a pacey forward then I'd go for Dominic Solanke from Chelsea rather than Bamford, always looks a real talent when age group football has been on the box. Him & RHM on the bench every week would give pace options to slam teams with in last 15-20 minutes of games.

McCormack, new #9, Gestede, Solanke & RHM would make me v happy as a set of strikers :-) - lots & lots of options and combinations.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 23, 2016, 08:53:58 AM: I agree we may need to interpret "world class" as meaning 'international'. Surely it can't be Rashford. I hope it isn't Robson Kanu. Given the speed remarks too, I'm guessing:

Hernandez (still think he must have better offers unless perhaps we're just going to pay him more than others)
Kodjia or Wells (very much reliant on the interpretation above!)
Aruna Kone?

Apart from that, God knows. We seem much more interested in domestically based / experienced players though I guess it could be a wildcard foreigner

Anyway, it does sound like we're after the sort of player I think we've missed desperately since benteke left.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: alan_clarke on August 23, 2016, 10:08:25 AM: It's almost certainly Hernandez - Dr Tony would have batted this one away if the links had no substance.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Big Dick Edwards on August 23, 2016, 10:13:15 AM: I've got a hunch this world class number 9 will be Robin van Persie. In the twilight of his career and apparently wants out of Turkey.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 23, 2016, 10:20:29 AM: Federico Viviani the latest name

Im sure these websites make it up
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Brend'Watkins on August 23, 2016, 10:20:50 AM: Quote from: Big Dick Edwards on August 23, 2016, 10:13:15 AM
I've got a hunch this world class number 9 will be Robin van Persie. In the twilight of his career and apparently wants out of Turkey.

We need someone who can run like one not look like one.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 23, 2016, 11:13:46 AM: De Laet today
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: johnny from donny on August 23, 2016, 11:23:34 AM: De Laet confirmed
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ajmant on August 23, 2016, 11:24:47 AM: De Laet in.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 23, 2016, 11:25:12 AM: just Hernandez to go then
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: wozwebs on August 23, 2016, 11:25:58 AM: AVFCOfficial: Transfer news: We’re pleased to announce the signing of Ritchie De Laet on a three-year deal. #AVFC #WelcomeRitchie pic.twitter.com/tudqbiOHgz
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 23, 2016, 11:27:09 AM: Quote from: ajmant on August 23, 2016, 11:24:47 AM
De Laet in.

Not seen him play . is he any good ??
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: itbrvilla on August 23, 2016, 11:28:04 AM: Need at least a creative midfielder too.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Rudy65 on August 23, 2016, 11:30:36 AM: Quote from: Bren'd on August 23, 2016, 10:20:50 AM
Quote from: Big Dick Edwards on August 23, 2016, 10:13:15 AM
I've got a hunch this world class number 9 will be Robin van Persie. In the twilight of his career and apparently wants out of Turkey.

We need someone who can run like one not look like one.

he wouldn't be as slow as Pires though!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: johnny from donny on August 23, 2016, 11:30:41 AM: If the Hernandez deal is dependent on Hull signing replacements, how would you feel about letting one of our younger strikers go there on a season long loan? It gives the player game time he wouldn't get here and experience of premier league football for when we (hopefully) get back up.

Or should I shut up and go back to sleep.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: godzvilla on August 23, 2016, 11:31:21 AM: Quote from: johnny from donny on August 23, 2016, 11:23:34 AM
De Laet confirmed
According to official Leicester site:..............Godzvilla!

Ritchie De Laet Signs For Aston Villa

Defender Ritchie De Laet has joined Championship side Aston Villa for an undisclosed fee.
- Ritchie De Laet signs for Aston Villa for an undisclosed fee
- The defender made a total of 129 appearances for Leicester City
- De Laet signed in May 2012 from Manchester United
- The 27-year-old Belgian scored his final goal for Leicester against Aston Villa last season .

http://www.lcfc.com/news/article/2016-17/ritchie-de-laet-signs-for-aston-villa-3263953.aspx
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on August 23, 2016, 11:34:29 AM: We have been asking for a right back and the good Doctor delivers!! Good work by RDM and Mr Wyness so far. If I can be greedy and ask for a pacey forward and a creative midfielder, this will be the window of dreams*

*Terms and conditions included. Remember what happened the last time we signed shitloads of players!! I hope this is different, certainly feels it. We actually seem to look like we know what we are doing! Welcome Ritchie.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 23, 2016, 11:37:54 AM: The priority now is a striker,impressed with the fact that the problems with the team are being addressed.
Now get rid of the parasites.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Lescottstweets on August 23, 2016, 11:48:26 AM: Only time will tell with how these new players perform, but surely this has to be one of our most productive transfer windows ever.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave P on August 23, 2016, 11:49:43 AM: I think a quick striker and our incoming dealings are done for the summer.

Gollini

De Laet Elphick Chester Amavi

Tshibola Jedinak

Ayew McCormack Grealish

Gestede / New Signing

Not bad at all and better then I was expecting.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: itbrvilla on August 23, 2016, 11:50:54 AM: Quote from: Dave P on August 23, 2016, 11:49:43 AM
I think a quick striker and our incoming dealings are done for the summer.

Gollini

De Laet Elphick Chester Amavi

Tshibola Jedinak

Ayew McCormack Grealish

Gestede / New Signing

Not bad at all and better then I was expecting.
Still lack option on the bench
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave P on August 23, 2016, 11:56:53 AM: Quote from: itbrvilla on August 23, 2016, 11:50:54 AM
Quote from: Dave P on August 23, 2016, 11:49:43 AM
I think a quick striker and our incoming dealings are done for the summer.

Gollini

De Laet Elphick Chester Amavi

Tshibola Jedinak

Ayew McCormack Grealish

Gestede / New Signing

Not bad at all and better then I was expecting.
Still lack option on the bench

Bacuna
Baker
Westwood
Gardner
Green
RHM
Cissokho
Okore
Gestede (with new striker in)

Plenty of talent and experience there.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 23, 2016, 11:58:13 AM: Daily mail just posted we are bidding for DeAndre Yedlin

why?

come on DM wake up
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: paul_e on August 23, 2016, 12:05:32 PM: Quote from: JUAN PABLO on August 23, 2016, 10:20:29 AM
Federico Viviani the latest name

Im sure these websites make it up

I'd be really happy with him, watched qa few serie a games last year and saw verona twice and he was comfortably the best player on the pitch, great range of passing, great delivery from set pieces and knows how to finish. If you look at his record across all his loan spells, etc he's scored a good number of goals for a defensive midfielder and he does get forward and support the attack.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: CJ on August 23, 2016, 12:13:15 PM: A mobile striker would complete what's been an excellent transfer window - good deals done quickly for better players with better attitudes in exactly the positions where we needed to strengthen. Well done to Dr Tony & all others involved. If we could offload last season's wastrels while we're at it - Richards, Agbonlahor and Lescott - I'd be over the moon
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: wozwebs on August 23, 2016, 12:38:10 PM: Pat Murphy: Hearing that Diawara,Wells,Bamford & Hernandez are all non-starters for @AVFCOfficial for various reasons. The search continues.Meter ticks!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 23, 2016, 12:47:31 PM: Quote from: wozwebs on August 23, 2016, 12:38:10 PM
Pat Murphy: Hearing that Diawara,Wells,Bamford & Hernandez are all non-starters for @AVFCOfficial for various reasons. The search continues.Meter ticks!

Booooo!

I was hoping for Diawara and Hernandez.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Richard on August 23, 2016, 12:49:14 PM: Shame if Pat Murphy correct about Wells/Hernandez.

Anyway, defence now sorted and I expect Bacuna to provide more midfield competition now.

Just need that elusive striker !
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 23, 2016, 12:49:40 PM: no loans so far
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Brian Taylor on August 23, 2016, 12:53:18 PM: Dean Cox Leyton Orient before he gets too old.. hard worker and great on wing. Scores goals too
http://mobile.leytonorient.com/team/player-profile/dean-cox/7
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: villaparkb6 on August 23, 2016, 12:56:39 PM: What make you think hull would want to replace Hernandez with one of our kids who can get in our championship side ?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ClaretAndBlueBlood on August 23, 2016, 02:19:22 PM: Quote from: Lescottstweets on August 23, 2016, 11:48:26 AM
Only time will tell with how these new players perform, but surely this has to be one of our most productive transfer windows ever.

I think the same was said at the end of last summer!!!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 23, 2016, 02:22:44 PM: Quote from: ClaretAndBlueBlood on August 23, 2016, 02:19:22 PM
Quote from: Lescottstweets on August 23, 2016, 11:48:26 AM
Only time will tell with how these new players perform, but surely this has to be one of our most productive transfer windows ever.

I think the same was said at the end of last summer!!!

at least ive heard of these players and most the clubs fans are pretty gutted some of them left.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ClaretAndBlueBlood on August 23, 2016, 02:26:54 PM: Quote from: JUAN PABLO on August 23, 2016, 02:22:44 PM
Quote from: ClaretAndBlueBlood on August 23, 2016, 02:19:22 PM
Quote from: Lescottstweets on August 23, 2016, 11:48:26 AM
Only time will tell with how these new players perform, but surely this has to be one of our most productive transfer windows ever.

I think the same was said at the end of last summer!!!

at least ive heard of these players and most the clubs fans are pretty gutted some of them left.

I agree and I think most of them should be pretty decent at this level, and hopefully we can have a clean sweep now and get rid of the wasters
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 23, 2016, 03:21:44 PM: Aston Villa linked Chelsea striker Patrick Bamford only wants a move to a Premier League club this summer, (BBC )

he needs to become a prem player first does he not
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 23, 2016, 03:22:46 PM: Quote from: ClaretAndBlueBlood on August 23, 2016, 02:26:54 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on August 23, 2016, 02:22:44 PM
Quote from: ClaretAndBlueBlood on August 23, 2016, 02:19:22 PM
Quote from: Lescottstweets on August 23, 2016, 11:48:26 AM
Only time will tell with how these new players perform, but surely this has to be one of our most productive transfer windows ever.

I think the same was said at the end of last summer!!!

at least ive heard of these players and most the clubs fans are pretty gutted some of them left.

I agree and I think most of them should be pretty decent at this level, and hopefully we can have a clean sweep now and get rid of the wasters

lescott Richards Gabby and hutton i will be very happy
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: curiousorange on August 23, 2016, 04:12:06 PM: I would say as far as Bamford is concerned, beggars can't really be choosers. Better players than him have done nothing in the Prem. He's a decent Championship level striker, nothing more.

Watch us sign him now.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 23, 2016, 04:24:19 PM: Quote from: curiousorange on August 23, 2016, 04:12:06 PM
I would say as far as Bamford is concerned, beggars can't really be choosers. Better players than him have done nothing in the Prem. He's a decent Championship level striker, nothing more.

Watch us sign him now.

He's coming across as a bit of a egotistical knob in all this (if rumours are true)
He has done nothing at Prem level so his arrogance about who to join is a bit rich imo
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Diablo on August 23, 2016, 04:33:14 PM: Quote from: VinnieChase84 on August 23, 2016, 04:24:19 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on August 23, 2016, 04:12:06 PM
I would say as far as Bamford is concerned, beggars can't really be choosers. Better players than him have done nothing in the Prem. He's a decent Championship level striker, nothing more.

Watch us sign him now.

He's coming across as a bit of a egotistical knob in all this (if rumours are true)
He has done nothing at Prem level so his arrogance about who to join is a bit rich imo
He didn't do well at Palace and this doesn't come across well. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3378974/Patrick-Bamford-apologises-Crystal-Palace-cutting-short-loan-spell-Selhurst-Park-describing-terrible.html Ah well
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 23, 2016, 04:33:21 PM: Quote from: VinnieChase84 on August 23, 2016, 04:24:19 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on August 23, 2016, 04:12:06 PM
I would say as far as Bamford is concerned, beggars can't really be choosers. Better players than him have done nothing in the Prem. He's a decent Championship level striker, nothing more.

Watch us sign him now.

He's coming across as a bit of a egotistical knob in all this (if rumours are true)
He has done nothing at Prem level so his arrogance about who to join is a bit rich imo

Or - he's had three successful spells in the championship and feels he's been there and done that, so wants to test himself at a higher level to further his career. Not necessarily a big head thing
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KevinGage on August 23, 2016, 04:47:26 PM: Asamoah Gyan being linked with a loan move to Fulham.

Not the type who you'd build a side around, as he seems to get itchy feet after half a season.

But would be head and shoulders above our current forward options.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 23, 2016, 04:56:41 PM: Quote from: Matt Collins on August 23, 2016, 04:33:21 PM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on August 23, 2016, 04:24:19 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on August 23, 2016, 04:12:06 PM
I would say as far as Bamford is concerned, beggars can't really be choosers. Better players than him have done nothing in the Prem. He's a decent Championship level striker, nothing more.

Watch us sign him now.

He's coming across as a bit of a egotistical knob in all this (if rumours are true)
He has done nothing at Prem level so his arrogance about who to join is a bit rich imo

Or - he's had three successful spells in the championship and feels he's been there and done that, so wants to test himself at a higher level to further his career. Not necessarily a big head thing

He was crap in the two spells he's had in the Prem to date.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 23, 2016, 05:21:17 PM: Gyan's on about a million quid a week isn't he? I know the Fulham geezer's minted but surely that sort of wedge is beyond most.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 23, 2016, 05:21:53 PM: Also Hernandez has been left out of Hull's 'squad' tonight
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: placeforparks on August 23, 2016, 05:30:28 PM: Quote from: Diablo on August 23, 2016, 04:33:14 PM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on August 23, 2016, 04:24:19 PM
Quote from: curiousorange on August 23, 2016, 04:12:06 PM
I would say as far as Bamford is concerned, beggars can't really be choosers. Better players than him have done nothing in the Prem. He's a decent Championship level striker, nothing more.

Watch us sign him now.

He's coming across as a bit of a egotistical knob in all this (if rumours are true)
He has done nothing at Prem level so his arrogance about who to join is a bit rich imo
He didn't do well at Palace and this doesn't come across well. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3378974/Patrick-Bamford-apologises-Crystal-Palace-cutting-short-loan-spell-Selhurst-Park-describing-terrible.html Ah well

the palace fans all think he is a c*nt!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on August 23, 2016, 05:31:06 PM: Murphy also said we weren't in for McCormack
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: johnny from donny on August 23, 2016, 05:31:14 PM: Quote from: villaparkb6 on August 23, 2016, 12:56:39 PM
What make you think hull would want to replace Hernandez with one of our kids who can get in our championship side ?

They need replacements, plural, from what I have read. If they got (for example) RHM on loan for a season it would take the pressure off them and let them concentrate on one striker instead of two.

Also Richards wouldn't get in our championship side and that's not putting them off him
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 23, 2016, 06:05:22 PM: Quote from: johnny from donny on August 23, 2016, 05:31:14 PM
Quote from: villaparkb6 on August 23, 2016, 12:56:39 PM
What make you think hull would want to replace Hernandez with one of our kids who can get in our championship side ?

They need replacements, plural, from what I have read. If they got (for example) RHM on loan for a season it would take the pressure off them and let them concentrate on one striker instead of two.

Also Richards wouldn't get in our championship side and that's not putting them off him

*ears prick up*

Do they want Richards?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: johnny from donny on August 23, 2016, 06:46:33 PM: Just checked back to where I heard it, Birmingham Mail saying it's the Daily Mail with the story. Agent Dave mentioned it on twitter. Probably nothing in it but you never know.

Edit, found it. It's one line at the bottom of a story about Phil Jones on the daily mail website
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 23, 2016, 06:53:54 PM: Apparently Arsenal are after Jonny Evans but the bitters want £25-30m for him. Jonny sodding Evans!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 23, 2016, 07:08:36 PM: Quote from: johnny from donny on August 23, 2016, 06:46:33 PM
Just checked back to where I heard it, Birmingham Mail saying it's the Daily Mail with the story. Agent Dave mentioned it on twitter. Probably nothing in it but you never know.

Edit, found it. It's one line at the bottom of a story about Phil Jones on the daily mail website

Cheers.

Let's hope it's one they get right.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 23, 2016, 07:10:13 PM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 23, 2016, 06:53:54 PM
Apparently Arsenal are after Jonny Evans but the bitters want £25-30m for him. Jonny sodding Evans!

Coupla million on Richards and Lescott and they can blow the rest on faggots and scratchings.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dazvillain on August 23, 2016, 07:22:58 PM: Quote from: mr underhill on August 23, 2016, 05:21:53 PM
Also Hernandez has been left out of Hull's 'squad' tonight
Bamford not in chelski squad either
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 23, 2016, 07:39:17 PM: Quote from: Dazvillain on August 23, 2016, 07:22:58 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on August 23, 2016, 05:21:53 PM
Also Hernandez has been left out of Hull's 'squad' tonight
Bamford not in chelski squad either

is he ever ?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on August 23, 2016, 08:02:59 PM: Interesting reading a couple of forums from some of the other supposed top championship sides and seeing the complaints about how much money Newcastle and ourselves are spending.

It's very reminiscent to the Man City and Chelsea splurging complaints we had ourselves.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 23, 2016, 08:04:13 PM: If they had the money they'd spend it too.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on August 23, 2016, 08:06:49 PM: Exactly. Sheffield Wednesday fans in particular have their bottom lip out.

They're decrying the unfairness of parachute payments that we get for being poor and relegated. What they forget is that they're not entitled to them because they're even worse and haven't bothered the top flight in 16 years.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tuscans on August 23, 2016, 08:13:33 PM: Quote from: Dazvillain on August 23, 2016, 07:22:58 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on August 23, 2016, 05:21:53 PM
Also Hernandez has been left out of Hull's 'squad' tonight
Bamford not in chelski squad either
Hardly a surprise, never kicked a ball for them.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: john2710 on August 23, 2016, 08:16:41 PM: How about our world class forward being Mario Ballotelli? Far fetched I know but....
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on August 23, 2016, 08:20:03 PM: Quote from: john2710 on August 23, 2016, 08:16:41 PM
How about our world class forward being Mario Ballotelli? Far fetched I know but....

I don't know about far fetched, hopefully left far away in Liverpool, cluttering up their wage bill.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: curiousorange on August 23, 2016, 08:53:55 PM: We're getting stick from the press too. Charlie Wyett of The Sun and Mick Dennis of...somewhere else are gleefully rubbing their hands together at the prospect of Villa splurging everything they have on the likes of Ross McCormack and falling foul of FFP. So, to recap, if we don't spend, we show no ambition and the takeover is worthless. If we do spend, we're reckless and two steps from the workhouse door.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on August 23, 2016, 08:54:35 PM: That on 5Live?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Richard E on August 23, 2016, 08:59:40 PM: Quote from: Ads on August 23, 2016, 08:54:35 PM
That on 5Live?

Twatter.

Mick Dennis was trying to make out Forest are a bigger club than Villa, which shows you the quality of his argument.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on August 23, 2016, 09:12:00 PM: Just looked. Pure trolling.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on August 23, 2016, 09:15:26 PM: Quote from: curiousorange on August 23, 2016, 08:53:55 PM
We're getting stick from the press too. Charlie Wyett of The Sun and Mick Dennis of...somewhere else are gleefully rubbing their hands together at the prospect of Villa splurging everything they have on the likes of Ross McCormack and falling foul of FFP. So, to recap, if we don't spend, we show no ambition and the takeover is worthless. If we do spend, we're reckless and two steps from the workhouse door.
I think we'd have to get lumbered down here for 2-3 years before we fell foul of the FFP. McGrath willing we'll be back in the Premiership next season and our wage bill will be manageable. Getting rid of Gabby, Richards and Lescott alone would probably cover the wages of our 7 signings so far. I don't think we'll be paying silly money by any stretch.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: johnny from donny on August 23, 2016, 09:17:12 PM: Mick Dennis the Norwich fan? No agenda there
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Richard E on August 23, 2016, 09:18:46 PM: Quote from: johnny from donny on August 23, 2016, 09:17:12 PM
Mick Dennis the Norwich fan? No agenda there

If they'd signed McCormack he'd have been a bargain, statement of intent, etc, etc.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on August 23, 2016, 09:27:04 PM: Quote from: Richard E on August 23, 2016, 09:18:46 PM
Quote from: johnny from donny on August 23, 2016, 09:17:12 PM
Mick Dennis the Norwich fan? No agenda there

If they'd signed McCormack he'd have been a bargain, statement of intent, etc, etc.

You can smell the urine on fried potatoes from here.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on August 23, 2016, 10:29:23 PM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 23, 2016, 06:53:54 PM
Apparently Arsenal are after Jonny Evans but the bitters want £25-30m for him. Jonny sodding Evans!

Isn't that just the figure they put on all their playets?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: adrenachrome on August 23, 2016, 10:31:37 PM: Quote from: tomd2103 on August 23, 2016, 10:29:23 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 23, 2016, 06:53:54 PM
Apparently Arsenal are after Jonny Evans but the bitters want £25-30m for him. Jonny sodding Evans!

Isn't that just the figure they put on all their playets?

Playets command a Pulis premium.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 23, 2016, 10:33:56 PM: If it was Playet at West Ham I could understand that kind of figure.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on August 23, 2016, 10:58:15 PM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 23, 2016, 10:33:56 PM
If it was Playet at West Ham I could understand that kind of figure.

Quite. It's like the Albion take it as some kind of insult when teams come in for their players and in some kind of attempt to show they are the 'big club' they like to think they are, they throw around stupid price tags. The way they have handled Berahino over the last couple of seasons is a prime example.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 23, 2016, 11:07:41 PM: Even their fans think they should just sell Berahino and buy literally any pacey forward that actually wants to be there. 25m for Evans is the biggest piss take ever. He is barely worth the 6 they paid. They can see Wenger coming, and know he is a desperate fool in his old age.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on August 23, 2016, 11:20:30 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on August 23, 2016, 11:07:41 PM
Even their fans think they should just sell Berahino and buy literally any pacey forward that actually wants to be there. 25m for Evans is the biggest piss take ever. He is barely worth the 6 they paid. They can see Wenger coming, and know he is a desperate fool in his old age.

Could be the deal of the century and f##k both teams up. And you just know they'll waste the money, they always do as soon as it's more than £25. Their last 2 star buys are proof of that. Just hope that the new owner is true to his word.

What was it? "We'll continue to operate under the same regime and ethos" or something like that.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on August 23, 2016, 11:33:38 PM: Da laet far more preferable to yedlin. He's grown up uk rather than us game. Has been involved with championship winning team and a better defender than the American. The difference between the 2 one is a footballer and the other an athlete. Happy with the signing and bargain price
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 23, 2016, 11:41:25 PM: The Richards to hull on loan story seems to be gathering momentum. As Butler used to say 'get yer prayer mats out!'
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 24, 2016, 03:20:46 AM: Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on August 23, 2016, 11:41:25 PM
The Richards to hull on loan story seems to be gathering momentum.

See Risso, there is a God. ;)
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on August 24, 2016, 06:34:28 AM: Quote from: footyskillz on August 23, 2016, 11:33:38 PM
Da laet far more preferable to yedlin. He's grown up uk rather than us game. Has been involved with championship winning team and a better defender than the American. The difference between the 2 one is a footballer and the other an athlete. Happy with the signing and bargain price

My thoughts too.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SashasGrandad on August 24, 2016, 07:41:54 AM: Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on August 23, 2016, 11:41:25 PM
The Richards to hull on loan story seems to be gathering momentum. As Butler used to say 'get yer prayer mats out!'

Used to be on my knees a lot in the good old days - 40 years later it is a lot harder to get back up again - but if it gets rid of that useless waste of space - it is worth a trip to A&E to sort my old legs out afterwards. Down I go.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on August 24, 2016, 07:58:27 AM: Dr Tony sailed to Hull
In a supertanker
Did a deal with suckers there
And binned our biggest wanker.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on August 24, 2016, 08:01:03 AM: (http://rs862.pbsrc.com/albums/ab187/rocker_4u/Unnamedggdgdgd.gif~c200)
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: nigel on August 24, 2016, 08:04:58 AM: Quote from: footyskillz on August 23, 2016, 11:33:38 PM
Da laet far more preferable to yedlin. He's grown up uk rather than us game. Has been involved with championship winning team and a better defender than the American. The difference between the 2 one is a footballer and the other an athlete. Happy with the signing and bargain price

How much did he cost, as didn't think the price had been disclosed?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Witton Warrior on August 24, 2016, 08:11:49 AM: Quote from: brian green on August 24, 2016, 07:58:27 AM
Dr Tony sailed to Hull
In a supertanker
Did a deal with suckers there
And binned our biggest wanker.

Top stuff there Brian
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on August 24, 2016, 08:27:05 AM: Randy Lerner went to Brum
Looking for romantic nourishment
Fates in football are fickle
So now has half inheritance

Sorry always had problems with the vital components of these things.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on August 24, 2016, 08:45:07 AM: Randy Lerner went to Brum
In his private Dassault
Bought himself a football club
Got bored and pulled his cash out.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 24, 2016, 09:05:39 AM: Randy Lerner went to Brum
In a Car (I think it was white)
Muttered some false narrative
About a Shunamite
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 24, 2016, 09:06:21 AM: Quote from: Ads on August 23, 2016, 08:02:59 PM
Interesting reading a couple of forums from some of the other supposed top championship sides and seeing the complaints about how much money Newcastle and ourselves are spending.

It's very reminiscent to the Man City and Chelsea splurging complaints we had ourselves.

I must admit, I'm surprised how little money is spent in the championship compared to the PL. When they're regularly spending £25m+ on players you'd think that the Championship would be sustaining a fair number of £10m players. Currently the gap/leap does not make sense as the difference in quality cannot be that big between the Championship and PL.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on August 24, 2016, 09:07:59 AM: Have we bought anyone today? It's 9. 05 and time is moving on!
Crouchy will suffice.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 24, 2016, 09:09:30 AM: Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 24, 2016, 09:06:21 AM
Quote from: Ads on August 23, 2016, 08:02:59 PM
Interesting reading a couple of forums from some of the other supposed top championship sides and seeing the complaints about how much money Newcastle and ourselves are spending.

It's very reminiscent to the Man City and Chelsea splurging complaints we had ourselves.

I must admit, I'm surprised how little money is spent in the championship compared to the PL. When they're regularly spending £25m+ on players you'd think that the Championship would be sustaining a fair number of £10m players. Currently the gap/leap does not make sense as the difference in quality cannot be that big between the Championship and PL.

The gap in revenue is massive though. The difference in TV / Prize money and sponsorship is huge, and reflected by the transfer fees.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on August 24, 2016, 09:23:30 AM: Quote from: TheMalandro on August 24, 2016, 08:27:05 AM
Sorry always had problems with the vital components of these things.

There was a girl from Nantucket ..............
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sid1964 on August 24, 2016, 09:34:36 AM: IF we stay in the Championship for a couple of seasons our spending will dry up, you cannot sustain paying fairly large transfer fees and salaries in the championship, because the attendances will drop and TV revenue is far less than in the Premier league

If you look at Wolves for example most of their buys this summer have been 1 season loan deals
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 24, 2016, 09:50:44 AM: The strikers that have been linked are not who we are after as our main target!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 24, 2016, 09:55:02 AM: Quote from: UK Redsox on August 24, 2016, 09:23:30 AM
Quote from: TheMalandro on August 24, 2016, 08:27:05 AM
Sorry always had problems with the vital components of these things.

There was a girl from Nantucket ..............

who had a rather large bucket
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 24, 2016, 09:56:40 AM: Quote from: VinnieChase84 on August 24, 2016, 09:50:44 AM
The strikers that have been linked are not who we are after as our main target!

Is that speculation, ITK or from one of Dr Tony's a tweet?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 24, 2016, 10:00:56 AM: Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 24, 2016, 09:56:40 AM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on August 24, 2016, 09:50:44 AM
The strikers that have been linked are not who we are after as our main target!

Is that speculation, ITK or from one of Dr Tony's a tweet?

Semi ITK. Can't say who for obvious reasons.Premier league striker though
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 24, 2016, 10:26:22 AM: I'll have a PM if there's one going please. 😊
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: AGRIPPA on August 24, 2016, 10:44:00 AM: Quote from: cdbullyweefan on August 24, 2016, 10:26:22 AM
I'll have a PM if there's one going please. 😊

and me... love a bit of gossip!!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 24, 2016, 10:54:42 AM: Quote from: AGRIPPA on August 24, 2016, 10:44:00 AM
Quote from: cdbullyweefan on August 24, 2016, 10:26:22 AM
I'll have a PM if there's one going please. 😊

and me... love a bit of gossip!!

Me too please.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dr Butler on August 24, 2016, 10:56:08 AM: Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 24, 2016, 10:54:42 AM
Quote from: AGRIPPA on August 24, 2016, 10:44:00 AM
Quote from: cdbullyweefan on August 24, 2016, 10:26:22 AM
I'll have a PM if there's one going please. 😊

and me... love a bit of gossip!!

Me too please.

I'll grab me one of those too

UTV
The Doc
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 24, 2016, 10:59:11 AM: Quote from: Dr Butler on August 24, 2016, 10:56:08 AM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 24, 2016, 10:54:42 AM
Quote from: AGRIPPA on August 24, 2016, 10:44:00 AM
Quote from: cdbullyweefan on August 24, 2016, 10:26:22 AM
I'll have a PM if there's one going please. 😊

and me... love a bit of gossip!!

Me too please.

I'll grab me one of those too

UTV
The Doc

Me please.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: wozwebs on August 24, 2016, 11:06:47 AM: Go on then, i'll take a PM and will keep quiet
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: OCD on August 24, 2016, 11:06:48 AM: Me too if it's not being too cheeky.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Eckybloke on August 24, 2016, 11:08:07 AM: Me too please
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: pav on August 24, 2016, 11:09:57 AM: Yep me too please
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Holte L2 on August 24, 2016, 11:19:26 AM: Me too please!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 24, 2016, 11:20:25 AM: Quote from: VinnieChase84 on August 24, 2016, 10:00:56 AM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 24, 2016, 09:56:40 AM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on August 24, 2016, 09:50:44 AM
The strikers that have been linked are not who we are after as our main target!

Is that speculation, ITK or from one of Dr Tony's a tweet?

Semi ITK. Can't say who for obvious reasons.Premier league striker though

PM please :)
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SirSteveUK on August 24, 2016, 11:22:06 AM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 24, 2016, 11:20:25 AM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on August 24, 2016, 10:00:56 AM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 24, 2016, 09:56:40 AM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on August 24, 2016, 09:50:44 AM
The strikers that have been linked are not who we are after as our main target!

I'll wait it out- I love being NITK

Is that speculation, ITK or from one of Dr Tony's a tweet?

Semi ITK. Can't say who for obvious reasons.Premier league striker though

PM please :)
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 24, 2016, 11:25:48 AM: Can't post the name lads. A few of you know, will leave at that for now (sorry)
Should find out very soon who it if it's going ahead. Seems to be dependant on the PL club getting a new striker (or two) in first.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Richard on August 24, 2016, 11:28:52 AM: Remy, Ings, Bony, Rashford, Hernandez, Afobe, Berahino, Austin, Rhodes if I had to guess !
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on August 24, 2016, 11:30:36 AM: Give us a pm!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on August 24, 2016, 11:34:53 AM: Can't one of the 'few who know' just post it and state it as their own ITK now?

It's a bit shit this.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on August 24, 2016, 11:35:11 AM: I wouldn't mind ryan mason and loic remy both deemed surplus to requirements and both touching class and would enhance general overall quality of squad. I sounded out jay Rodriquez before but that was dismissed by some though he is avalible on loan as wba after him .

Mason. Remy. Rodriquez would be a nice quartet of signings. Still a week to go so anything possible.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: wozwebs on August 24, 2016, 11:35:17 AM: Quote from: VinnieChase84 on August 24, 2016, 11:25:48 AM
Can't post the name lads. A few of you know, will leave at that for now (sorry)
Should find out very soon who it if it's going ahead. Seems to be dependant on the PL club getting a new striker (or two) in first.

Fair enough, on a scale of 1-10 how happy would we be if it comes off?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: johny on August 24, 2016, 11:40:43 AM: PM for me also!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on August 24, 2016, 11:48:17 AM: Quote from: VinnieChase84 on August 24, 2016, 11:25:48 AM
Can't post the name lads. A few of you know, will leave at that for now (sorry)
Should find out very soon who it if it's going ahead. Seems to be dependant on the PL club getting a new striker (or two) in first.

Can you nod if we get it right though.

Through my research and educating guess and elimination
Due to fact - no big man but a paceful player
(Not crouch , ulloa or Lambert )

It can only think of Kone, Defoe, Remy, Bony, Valencia, Vokes, Borini, or bojan.
Going by criteria that they are international
Then if it's none of above ..
oh my it's Marcus Rashford on loan isn't it !
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Jarpie on August 24, 2016, 11:48:27 AM: I doubt it's Bony as we need pace and he's more like Gestede than pacey.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: not3bad on August 24, 2016, 11:48:54 AM: We're now apparently in talks with Turkish side Trabzonspor over sensing Micah Richards on a season long loan.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SteveN on August 24, 2016, 11:49:06 AM: Without any ITK I'm going with Jason Rhodes.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on August 24, 2016, 11:50:05 AM: I said kone weeks ago ! but I think the best is Defoe
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on August 24, 2016, 11:52:22 AM: Or marcus rashford on loan. There aren't any others apart from ones I've listed who fit criteria
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tayls_7 on August 24, 2016, 11:53:05 AM: Quote from: SteveN on August 24, 2016, 11:49:06 AM
Without any ITK I'm going with Jason Rhodes.

Ha ha, love it. You certainly aren't ITK.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on August 24, 2016, 11:53:39 AM: Quote from: SteveN on August 24, 2016, 11:49:06 AM
Without any ITK I'm going with Jason Rhodes.

That would be a Scottish forward line ! Bring Maloney in too !
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on August 24, 2016, 11:57:33 AM: In preference
Defoe,
Rashford
Bony,
Bojan
Remy
Kone
Valencia,
Vokes,
Borini

Which one is it ?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: AVH87 on August 24, 2016, 11:59:54 AM: I hope it's not Kone, he's pretty old. I've never heard of Jason Rhodes ;D
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dr Butler on August 24, 2016, 12:03:10 PM: Quote from: hoyle87 on August 24, 2016, 11:59:54 AM
I hope it's not Kone, he's pretty old. I've never heard of Jason Rhodes ;D

It's Jonty Rhodes...;)

UTV
The Doc
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on August 24, 2016, 12:05:30 PM: I researched all squads and they are the ones I listed previous post who are options if to beleived .
Can even list all current prem league strikers discount the big men and think of the world class forwards. Or discount unlikely signings and poorer ones to narrow targets. That said Chinese super league signed some top players why can't villa !

Wickham isn't an international and Vdyra is nt world class. Via options are the ones stated. Balotelli doesn't fit criteria. Diego costa is starting games and similar risk. Sakho also has off field antics.
Alexis Sanchez is only in a few years . Theo Walcott would be pushing things . Okazki wouldnt make sense. So it comes down to only a few. I don't know if nasri has played false 9 and like fabregas for now out of contention . Amidre Dr Tony for ambitions and real coup if we get someome of thid calibre - providing arsenal , man city , Chelsea get in some top strikers but thinking it's Defoe or rashford bony or kone!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 24, 2016, 12:07:24 PM: I reckon it's Aguero.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Nastylee on August 24, 2016, 12:07:53 PM: Back on planet Earth.....
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Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 24, 2016, 12:08:21 PM: Didn't mean to send you lot into meltdown. Lol I would say on scale of 1-10 he would be about a 7. Think he would do well in the championship.
I have tweeted the DR to ask him to follow me as want to DM him the name and just see if he comments at all...
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Jimbo on August 24, 2016, 12:08:41 PM: Just had word from my source, who declined to comment. He didn't say he's fucked if he doesn't know who it is, but I can't not reveal who he thinks it isn't for obvious reasons. Sorry.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on August 24, 2016, 12:09:01 PM: What's the lad from Goal! up to these days? He looked capable of banging them in at Newcastle.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on August 24, 2016, 12:09:48 PM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 24, 2016, 12:07:24 PM
I reckon it's Aguero.

It's the obvious option. I just hope City seal the Dickov and Quinn transfers, then he's ours.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on August 24, 2016, 12:10:50 PM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 24, 2016, 12:07:24 PM
I reckon it's Aguero.

Maybe David Cameron and president Xi Jinping told him to go villa !
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 24, 2016, 12:11:07 PM: The name has been mentioned by one of you
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on August 24, 2016, 12:11:26 PM: Quote from: passitsideways on August 24, 2016, 12:09:01 PM
What's the lad from Goal! up to these days? He looked capable of banging them in at Newcastle.

Past it his third movie went straight to video
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on August 24, 2016, 12:12:02 PM: I knew it !! It's rashford! !!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on August 24, 2016, 12:12:53 PM: Quote from: VinnieChase84 on August 24, 2016, 12:11:07 PM
The name has been mentioned by one of you

Nod if he's on my researched list
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 24, 2016, 12:13:29 PM: Told you. It's Agureo.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on August 24, 2016, 12:14:43 PM: Quote from: Jimbo on August 24, 2016, 12:08:41 PM
Just had word from my source, who declined to comment. He didn't say he's fucked if he doesn't know who it is, but I can't not reveal who he thinks it isn't for obvious reasons. Sorry.
haha very good!
Jimbo you tease ! In this hot weather too !
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on August 24, 2016, 12:15:14 PM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 24, 2016, 12:13:29 PM
Told you. It's Agureo.

That would be outrageous !
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: in exile on August 24, 2016, 12:16:16 PM: Quote from: VinnieChase84 on August 24, 2016, 12:11:07 PM
The name has been mentioned by one of you
David Cameron?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on August 24, 2016, 12:16:29 PM: Well I'm off . Certainly intrigued but safe to know It's one of names i mentioned so just hope deal over line
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on August 24, 2016, 12:16:32 PM: Quote from: footyskillz on August 24, 2016, 12:15:14 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 24, 2016, 12:13:29 PM
Told you. It's Agureo.

That would be outrageous !

It's our gazebo signing
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Richard E on August 24, 2016, 12:16:44 PM: Veretout has been officially unveiled by Saint-Etienne. Can't say it feels like a great loss.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on August 24, 2016, 12:17:17 PM: Quote from: Richard E on August 24, 2016, 12:16:44 PM
Veretout has been officially unveiled by Saint-Etienne. Can't say it feels like a great loss.

What position does he play?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Richard E on August 24, 2016, 12:18:03 PM: Quote from: TheMalandro on August 24, 2016, 12:17:17 PM
Quote from: Richard E on August 24, 2016, 12:16:44 PM
Veretout has been officially unveiled by Saint-Etienne. Can't say it feels like a great loss.

What position does he play?

Lead singer.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on August 24, 2016, 12:21:53 PM: Loric Remy?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on August 24, 2016, 12:23:32 PM: I don't want the ITK signing. He's shit.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: OCD on August 24, 2016, 12:28:42 PM: How many pacy, international, Premier League strikers are there that would be available and where the club needs to bring a couple in first? I'm going to say Hernandez.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on August 24, 2016, 12:31:36 PM: Quote from: OCD on August 24, 2016, 12:28:42 PM
How many pacy, international, Premier League strikers are there that would be available and where the club needs to bring a couple in first? I'm going to say Hernandez.

Oumar Niasse at Everton. Diouf at Stoke.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 24, 2016, 12:32:17 PM: Quote from: footyskillz on August 24, 2016, 12:12:53 PM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on August 24, 2016, 12:11:07 PM
The name has been mentioned by one of you

Nod if he's on my researched list
Nod
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cyrilina on August 24, 2016, 12:33:31 PM: Quote from: footyskillz on August 24, 2016, 11:35:11 AM
I wouldn't mind ryan mason and loic remy both deemed surplus to requirements and both touching class and would enhance general overall quality of squad. I sounded out jay Rodriquez before but that was dismissed by some though he is avalible on loan as wba after him .

Mason. Remy. Rodriquez would be a nice quartet of signings. Still a week to go so anything possible.

It's a 'no' from me for Ryan Mason - purely based on his 'tattoo' of the teenage boy.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 24, 2016, 12:34:33 PM: Quote from: Richard E on August 24, 2016, 12:16:44 PM
Veretout has been officially unveiled by Saint-Etienne. Can't say it feels like a great loss.
Shame this one never worked out. Thought he could have been a strong player for us
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 24, 2016, 12:35:04 PM: Yep shame his attitude is obviously dreadful.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: OCD on August 24, 2016, 12:45:20 PM: From Footy's list its Remy that stands out to me. He'd have a field day in the championship.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: paul_e on August 24, 2016, 12:52:52 PM: From the list footy gave I suspect we can remove a few and produce a much smaller list of Bony, Valencia, Remy or possibly Rashford. The others either aren't the right type of player or are unlikely to be available.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: OCD on August 24, 2016, 12:56:48 PM: I wouldn't have said Bony or Valencia are particularly pacy. Both Remy and Rashford fall down on the bit about the club needing to bring in strikers first. I wouldn't be surprised if Mourinho sent Rashford out on loan with his reputation for using youth but he could just as easily go the other way to spite people saying he doesn't give youth a chance.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 24, 2016, 01:06:21 PM: Remy's on his way to Palace, isn't he...?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 24, 2016, 01:10:01 PM: Quote from: VinnieChase84 on August 24, 2016, 12:32:17 PM
Quote from: footyskillz on August 24, 2016, 12:12:53 PM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on August 24, 2016, 12:11:07 PM
The name has been mentioned by one of you

Nod if he's on my researched list
Nod

Hope it's not Vokes then, he certainly isn't pacey.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Havencheese on August 24, 2016, 01:24:45 PM: Heard that we're being linked with Cascarino who looks okay I guess but I'm still praying its Sheringham.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on August 24, 2016, 01:25:56 PM: Quote from: Richard E on August 24, 2016, 12:18:03 PM
Quote from: TheMalandro on August 24, 2016, 12:17:17 PM
Quote from: Richard E on August 24, 2016, 12:16:44 PM
Veretout has been officially unveiled by Saint-Etienne. Can't say it feels like a great loss.

What position does he play?

Lead singer.

Well, Sarah Cracknell is nearly 50, so she's probably lost a yard of pace.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: DB on August 24, 2016, 01:26:19 PM: All this activity just shows the re-building job after last few seasons f**k up. Good we have cash to spend otherwise we would not have a prayer of getting out of the division. At least we have hope that RDM can do it this season.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Richard E on August 24, 2016, 01:26:51 PM: Quote from: UK Redsox on August 24, 2016, 01:25:56 PM
Quote from: Richard E on August 24, 2016, 12:18:03 PM
Quote from: TheMalandro on August 24, 2016, 12:17:17 PM
Quote from: Richard E on August 24, 2016, 12:16:44 PM
Veretout has been officially unveiled by Saint-Etienne. Can't say it feels like a great loss.

What position does he play?

Lead singer.

Well, Sarah Cracknell is nearly 50, so she's probably lost a yard of pace.

You still "would", though.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on August 24, 2016, 01:26:59 PM: I reckon it's Peter Davenport.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mallo on August 24, 2016, 01:29:29 PM: Of those listed (my ITK says he's on this list but can't nod as he's suffering from whiplash unfortunately, but he did blink)
Defoe - too slow
Rashford - no need to buy other strikers
Bony - not especially quick
Bojan - maybe as Stoke would probably need a backup
Remy - yes please
Kone - not bad at this level - pace?
Valencia - world class no. 9? Pass
Vokes - no pace - nope.
Borini - maybe!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villafirst on August 24, 2016, 01:42:11 PM: Defence and midfield is shaping up well. But the attack needs a pacy striker - really hope this is sorted before the end of the window. Could be the difference for automatic promotion.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sid1964 on August 24, 2016, 01:48:21 PM: Remy- supposedly joining Palace on a season long loan with a view of a permanent move

Makes sense for him, does not have to move house, premier league football, and Palace will pay him the same amount of money that he is on at Chelsea!

Maybe it is Borini?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Keeno on August 24, 2016, 01:55:16 PM: "Why Always Me"?

Surely not.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: markeeeebeeee2005 on August 24, 2016, 01:55:17 PM: Quote from: VinnieChase84 on August 24, 2016, 12:32:17 PM
Quote from: footyskillz on August 24, 2016, 12:12:53 PM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on August 24, 2016, 12:11:07 PM
The name has been mentioned by one of you

Nod if he's on my researched list
Nod

Ha, not sure why, but this tickled me. I think it might be that Skillz is more diligent in his scouting research than the Villa scouts.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 24, 2016, 01:57:35 PM: Quote from: Havencheese on August 24, 2016, 01:24:45 PM
Heard that we're being linked with Cascarino who looks okay I guess but I'm still praying its Sheringham.

He was on SSN today talking about Jow Art. He said Ron Atkinson's first words to him as new Villa manager were 'Tony, you're not in my plans so if you could find yourself another club that would be great'.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 24, 2016, 01:58:03 PM: Quote from: sid1964 on August 24, 2016, 01:48:21 PM
Maybe it is Borini?

The thing I like most about Borini is his wife.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Keeno on August 24, 2016, 01:59:06 PM: I think from Skillz' list I'd most prefer Bony - I think not only is he massively surplus to requirements at Citeh and might just want to play, but he'd be absolutely perfect for what we want and for the kind of defences we'd be up against in this league.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on August 24, 2016, 02:00:52 PM: Bony won't be dropping to the Champ.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 24, 2016, 02:09:44 PM: it's Danny Ings isn't it?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Smirker on August 24, 2016, 02:16:43 PM: Quote from: Ads on August 23, 2016, 08:02:59 PM
Interesting reading a couple of forums from some of the other supposed top championship sides and seeing the complaints about how much money Newcastle and ourselves are spending.

It's very reminiscent to the Man City and Chelsea splurging complaints we had ourselves.

Which forums? I'd like to read this.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 24, 2016, 02:25:58 PM: Bony is nailed on for the porno twins
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on August 24, 2016, 02:45:59 PM: Quote from: Clampy on August 24, 2016, 01:26:59 PM
I reckon it's Peter Davenport.

Goals at home means Davenport.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: in exile on August 24, 2016, 03:01:36 PM: I hate Borini. My opinion is he is shite
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Post by: JJ-AV on August 24, 2016, 03:18:54 PM: There's loads of options. It's really enjoyable being this shite because there's so many players who can improve you.

Ings, Jay Rodriguez, Berahino, Ulloa, Afobe and Wilson could all happen and none of those have been mentioned that I've seen yet.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: wozwebs on August 24, 2016, 03:20:15 PM: Rashford would be tremendous. Not getting a game under Jose and would score plenty in the Championship
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 24, 2016, 03:39:02 PM: The name I got told is now being discussed on the club in questions message bored in their transfer spec. Therefore it seems to be breaking a little more now.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: wozwebs on August 24, 2016, 03:47:50 PM: Presume it's this one then?

Aston Villa are interested in West Ham striker Enner Valencia. [Daily Mail] #AVFC
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 24, 2016, 03:48:23 PM: Quote from: wozwebs on August 24, 2016, 03:47:50 PM
Presume it's this one then?

Aston Villa are interested in West Ham striker Enner Valencia. [Daily Mail] #AVFC
Press catching on now it seems also
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 24, 2016, 03:48:25 PM: Valencia came second in the 2015/2016 Awards on West Ham's KUMB forum for Worst Player of the Season. It appears the Porn Barons are holding out for the £12m they paid for him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on August 24, 2016, 03:48:35 PM: Quote from: VinnieChase84 on August 24, 2016, 03:39:02 PM
The name I got told is now being discussed on the club in questions message bored in their transfer spec. Therefore it seems to be breaking a little more now.

Come on son, no one likes a tease
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Monty on August 24, 2016, 03:49:35 PM: Quote from: VinnieChase84 on August 24, 2016, 03:39:02 PM
The name I got told is now being discussed on the club in questions message bored in their transfer spec. Therefore it seems to be breaking a little more now.

'Bored' being the crucial word here.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on August 24, 2016, 03:51:10 PM: Enner Valencia is shit, would be a waste of money.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 24, 2016, 03:52:26 PM: I think he would do pretty well in the championship and played upfront instead of wide fwiw
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Hookeysmith on August 24, 2016, 03:52:58 PM: I have seen the Youtube clips and think

Meh

Hope this is not Tony's rabbit out of a hat
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 24, 2016, 03:54:01 PM: Quote from: Hookeysmith on August 24, 2016, 03:52:58 PM
I have seen the Youtube clips and think

Meh

Hope this is not Tony's rabbit out of a hat
It was proper left field when I heard also. Kind of fits in with Dr's tweets aBout international etc etc
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: wozwebs on August 24, 2016, 03:54:06 PM: Hardly the World Class number 9 Tony mentioned
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on August 24, 2016, 03:56:41 PM: I'd rather buy no one than give the pornos £12m notes for their donkey.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 24, 2016, 04:03:05 PM: Quote from: VinnieChase84 on August 24, 2016, 03:52:26 PM
I think he would do pretty well in the championship and played upfront instead of wide fwiw

He has problems staying on his feet in the Premiership, how you expect him to survive in the Championship I have no idea. At £2m he may be worth a risk but £12m is just taking the piss. Seems a very strange signing if it happens.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 24, 2016, 04:06:05 PM: Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on August 24, 2016, 04:03:05 PM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on August 24, 2016, 03:52:26 PM
I think he would do pretty well in the championship and played upfront instead of wide fwiw

He has problems staying on his feet in the Premiership, how you expect him to survive in the Championship I have no idea. At £2m he may be worth a risk but £12m is just taking the piss. Seems a very strange signing if it happens.
Agree it's very strange. Don't know where this £12m is coming from although I have no idea about the fee.
The news coming out this afternoon does make me think somethings in it as when I was told his name was not mentioned at all.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 24, 2016, 04:08:09 PM: I'd like to think Dr X is a little more savvy .
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 24, 2016, 04:11:48 PM: oh and the Turkey that is Mica could be off to Turkey. There would be a pleasing symmetry in that.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve kirk on August 24, 2016, 04:48:29 PM: Pretty much every RDM signing has been right on the money, buying Valencia is would very underwhelming, go and get Hernandez.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 24, 2016, 05:02:59 PM: Telegraph reporting that our bid for him has been turned down
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tuscans on August 24, 2016, 05:06:59 PM: Valencia has a terrible goals to games ratio, he's absolute garbage and is a downgrade.

That's just shitty journalism from a shitty site who have put him being unhappy at being substituted on Sunday together with us after a forward, and that's all.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tuscans on August 24, 2016, 05:11:05 PM: Quote from: VinnieChase84 on August 24, 2016, 05:02:59 PM
Telegraph reporting that our bid for him has been turned down
Saw that and the article looks like it's been more or less copy and pasted from the Readwestham site. Wouldn't believe a player who has scored only 4 goals in each season for West Ham would be anywhere near our radar.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 24, 2016, 05:16:16 PM: Quote from: Tuscans on August 24, 2016, 05:11:05 PM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on August 24, 2016, 05:02:59 PM
Telegraph reporting that our bid for him has been turned down
Saw that and the article looks like it's been more or less copy and pasted from the Readwestham site. Wouldn't believe a player who has scored only 4 goals in each season for West Ham would be anywhere near our radar.
Well it's very weird that I was told about this and then news is coming out today about it now. I'm afraid there has to be some substance behind this one. Either that or me/press are being fed a red herring to distract from someone else
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 24, 2016, 05:17:09 PM: I've not really followed how he's done. I had the impression he was pretty good. He cost £12m when he arrived, which is probably £15m+ today given football inflation.

But he seems to have scored four per season for two seasons. Hernandez please then.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 24, 2016, 05:17:26 PM: I think he'd be good in our division. I'd be happy if we got him. It's not a superstar signing like Mario, but he could be a good fit.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 24, 2016, 05:17:36 PM: Quote from: Steve kirk on August 24, 2016, 04:48:29 PM
Pretty much every RDM signing has been right on the money, buying Valencia is would very underwhelming, go and get Hernandez.

I've read we only have tomorrow to get Hernandez as he flies out on Friday for international duty and will only be back after the window closes.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 24, 2016, 05:17:42 PM: He's not garbage. The reaction is way over the top. I agree the 'world class' reference is over the top, if it's referring to him, but he's a pacy forward and could do a good job.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: The Edge on August 24, 2016, 05:21:17 PM: Quote from: wozwebs on August 24, 2016, 03:20:15 PM
Rashford would be tremendous. Not getting a game under Jose and would score plenty in the Championship
Careful mate. I mentioned this as an option a while back and got called all sorts on here. But now I have an ally I don't feel so daft!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 24, 2016, 05:24:55 PM: Quote from: VinnieChase84 on August 24, 2016, 05:02:59 PM
Telegraph reporting that our bid for him has been turned down

Good. I'd rather we give Andre Green a go than waste £12m.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 24, 2016, 05:27:22 PM: Quote from: Tuscans on August 24, 2016, 05:06:59 PM
Valencia has a terrible goals to games ratio, he's absolute garbage and is a downgrade.

That's just shitty journalism from a shitty site who have put him being unhappy at being substituted on Sunday together with us after a forward, and that's all.

From what I've read he was booed off the pitch at the weekend. West Ham fans are delighted at thought of seeing the back of him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 24, 2016, 05:32:07 PM: Marcus Rashford? Never ever going to happen
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tuscans on August 24, 2016, 05:33:43 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 24, 2016, 05:17:42 PM
He's not garbage. The reaction is way over the top. I agree the 'world class' reference is over the top, if it's referring to him, but he's a pacy forward and could do a good job.
No he is garbage, I've watched a few games with my mate who's a hammer, he think's the same and he''s seen every game he's played.

Diafra Sakho is the better one but he's already injured.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tuscans on August 24, 2016, 05:34:57 PM: Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on August 24, 2016, 05:27:22 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on August 24, 2016, 05:06:59 PM
Valencia has a terrible goals to games ratio, he's absolute garbage and is a downgrade.

That's just shitty journalism from a shitty site who have put him being unhappy at being substituted on Sunday together with us after a forward, and that's all.

From what I've read he was booed off the pitch at the weekend. West Ham fans are delighted at thought of seeing the back of him.
He was booed by his own fans. Walked off as slow as he could at 0-0, great attitude.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on August 24, 2016, 05:41:32 PM: Enner Valencia is very quick and takes a great direct free kick.
He has a lampard / drogba / Rolando style kick and is far more accurate than Harry Kane. That's one think he's world class at. I also would say he's be the replacement / competition for gabby and seems like the / an alternative option to the striker targets . Similarly with a Der laet or Der yedlin it's Valencia or another perhaps. Really it's educated guess work bet on the tit bits given out .

Valencia is a decent though not amazing goal scorer. Put him in the Hugo Rodallega comparative. But definitely has the pace to burn and would stretch defences.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 24, 2016, 05:42:49 PM: Quote from: Tuscans on August 24, 2016, 05:33:43 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 24, 2016, 05:17:42 PM
He's not garbage. The reaction is way over the top. I agree the 'world class' reference is over the top, if it's referring to him, but he's a pacy forward and could do a good job.
No he is garbage, I've watched a few games with my mate who's a hammer, he think's the same and he''s seen every game he's played.

Diafra Sakho is the better one but he's already injured.

Just because he hasn't settled at West Ham, where he's had a couple of nasty injuries, doesn't mean he's garbage. Lots of players struggle at a club and move on and do well. He has good attributes and his international record is great.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on August 24, 2016, 05:46:44 PM: Quote from: Tuscans on August 24, 2016, 05:34:57 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on August 24, 2016, 05:27:22 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on August 24, 2016, 05:06:59 PM
Valencia has a terrible goals to games ratio, he's absolute garbage and is a downgrade.

That's just shitty journalism from a shitty site who have put him being unhappy at being substituted on Sunday together with us after a forward, and that's all.

From what I've read he was booed off the pitch at the weekend. West Ham fans are delighted at thought of seeing the back of him.
He was booed by his own fans. Walked off as slow as he could at 0-0, great attitude.

Give the guy a break. Clearly fall guy. But lump or should that be limp Carroll would be in if hevwasnt injured or others as well as wet spams own laughable attempts to get a wc signing from vardy and Walcott to bacca and zaza.

I think he decent and a player on his day. Scored a few against England and In wc. Another thing wet spam gave him rubbish service other day and with no payetr and lanzi or cresswell or support looked ineffective

Stick him with McCormack et al he ll terror the league !
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 24, 2016, 05:47:30 PM: I think he could do well at this level. But if it's anything close to £12m I wouldn't go near him. And I'd definitely prefer someone with a 20 a season record at this level, than someone with 4 a season albeit at the next level up.

I could see it happening though. I still don't see why on earth Hernandez would join. But then I didn't think Matt Richie or the striker from palace would drop down either. Especially the former
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on August 24, 2016, 05:48:44 PM: If he signs up we 'll do the poll will Enner Valencia 20 or more goals in the league !
Yes he comfortably will
No you're habeinh a laugh.

Also you wait till you see his free kicks . Epic.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 24, 2016, 05:49:27 PM: Quote from: footyskillz on August 24, 2016, 05:48:44 PM
If he signs up we 'll do the poll will Enner Valencia 20 or more goals in the league !

We won't.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on August 24, 2016, 05:50:17 PM: Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 24, 2016, 05:49:27 PM
Quote from: footyskillz on August 24, 2016, 05:48:44 PM
If he signs up we 'll do the poll will Enner Valencia 20 or more goals in the league !

We won't.

Book mark.
Book Dave dictator 😂😂
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tuscans on August 24, 2016, 05:52:23 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 24, 2016, 05:42:49 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on August 24, 2016, 05:33:43 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 24, 2016, 05:17:42 PM
He's not garbage. The reaction is way over the top. I agree the 'world class' reference is over the top, if it's referring to him, but he's a pacy forward and could do a good job.
No he is garbage, I've watched a few games with my mate who's a hammer, he think's the same and he''s seen every game he's played.

Diafra Sakho is the better one but he's already injured.

Just because he hasn't settled at West Ham, where he's had a couple of nasty injuries, doesn't mean he's garbage. Lots of players struggle at a club and move on and do well. He has good attributes and his international record is great.
I completely disagree, I have seen enough and heard enough from West Hams fans to know he's terrible and if you're after a goalscorer then you don't look at Valencia. His international record is deceiving when your regular opposition is Haiti and Honduras, he doesn't score goals at a high enough level, a no from me. If you're buying junk like that then I feel sorry for the likes of RHM.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on August 24, 2016, 05:55:51 PM: There's me thinking I was finally being accepted like the lead character from the currently showing in cinemas near you D.Brent. And im not even middle aged. Oh well . Like Brent said at least I had a go at being a rock star.
Maybe one day you guys will get me. I was only excited about a poll and if others wanted to see who thought Valencia was to be a success or not (deemed on 20 goals plus)

I give up.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tuscans on August 24, 2016, 05:57:27 PM: Quote from: footyskillz on August 24, 2016, 05:55:51 PM
There's me thinking I was finally being accepted like the lead character from the currently showing in cinemas near you D.Brent. And im not even middle aged. Oh well . Like Brent said at least I had a go at being a rock star.
Maybe one day you guys will get me. I was only excited about a poll and if others wanted to see who thought Valencia was to be a success or not (deemed on 20 goals plus)

I give up.

Oh let him have his poll Dave.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mallo on August 24, 2016, 05:59:48 PM: Valencia would be VERY underwhelming. He's just not very good.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on August 24, 2016, 06:12:00 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 24, 2016, 05:42:49 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on August 24, 2016, 05:33:43 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 24, 2016, 05:17:42 PM
He's not garbage. The reaction is way over the top. I agree the 'world class' reference is over the top, if it's referring to him, but he's a pacy forward and could do a good job.
No he is garbage, I've watched a few games with my mate who's a hammer, he think's the same and he''s seen every game he's played.

Diafra Sakho is the better one but he's already injured.

Just because he hasn't settled at West Ham, where he's had a couple of nasty injuries, doesn't mean he's garbage. Lots of players struggle at a club and move on and do well. He has good attributes and his international record is great.

He'd probably be just fine. Not really good enough to be in the first team at a mid-table Premier League side, but somebody who will get 20 goals in the Championship.

Like Gestede, Hernandez, Gayle, Bamford or probably even McCormack.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oldham_villa on August 24, 2016, 06:22:29 PM: Must admit, i don't know much about him either.

I appreciate your posts footyskillz, don't stop posting :-)
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mallo on August 24, 2016, 06:23:13 PM: Here's his highlights vs Bournemouth and he just looks like a fish out of water.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: QuintonVilla on August 24, 2016, 06:24:55 PM: Valencia. Meh.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SteveN on August 24, 2016, 06:27:07 PM: Valencia? He's no Jordan Rhodes.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 24, 2016, 06:29:11 PM: Release Footyskillz
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on August 24, 2016, 06:38:06 PM: Quote from: SteveN on August 24, 2016, 06:27:07 PM
Valencia? He's no good.

Fixed.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 24, 2016, 06:50:08 PM: Quote from: footyskillz on August 24, 2016, 05:55:51 PM
There's me thinking I was finally being accepted like the lead character from the currently showing in cinemas near you D.Brent. And im not even middle aged. Oh well . Like Brent said at least I had a go at being a rock star.
Maybe one day you guys will get me. I was only excited about a poll and if others wanted to see who thought Valencia was to be a success or not (deemed on 20 goals plus)

I give up.

did you enjoyed film, i thought it was pretty funny
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KRS on August 24, 2016, 06:54:14 PM: I hope the Valencia rumours have no substance...a striker gives everyone hope, particularly when the striker is hailed as "world class", so this would be a very uninspiring signing if true and would probably go down as Dr Tonys first mistake...in fact, I'd rather he didn't buy a striker if Valencia is the only option. I see this next signing as a Peter Withe kind of moment...the missing piece of the jigsaw to get us promoted...but if Valencia is that piece, then some dumb fucker mixed up the jigsaw puzzles for a laugh.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tuscans on August 24, 2016, 07:01:49 PM: Quote from: KRS on August 24, 2016, 06:54:14 PM
I hope the Valencia rumours have no substance...a striker gives everyone hope, particularly when the striker is hailed as "world class", so this would be a very uninspiring signing if true and would probably go down as Dr Tonys first mistake...in fact, I'd rather he didn't buy a striker if Valencia is the only option. I see this next signing as a Peter Withe kind of moment...the missing piece of the jigsaw to get us promoted...but if Valencia is that piece, then some dumb fucker mixed up the jigsaw puzzles for a laugh.
The world class comment was a little silly.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Nelson Lodge on August 24, 2016, 07:03:12 PM: Enner Valencia is 1.74m tall. That is 5ft 8.5 inches tall. Not my idea of a No9/centre forward/central striker. More the physical build of an inside forward, the guy who gets on the end of the No 9 flick ons. And we already have McCormack for that role.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: four fornicholl on August 24, 2016, 07:07:47 PM: I take it Drogba has been thrown into the mix?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tuscans on August 24, 2016, 07:10:04 PM: Quote from: four fornicholl on August 24, 2016, 07:07:47 PM
I take it Drogba has been thrown into the mix?
He poo pooed it himself.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 24, 2016, 07:10:26 PM: I like valencia - he could play right back too but If they want to give us someone Id take Rashford or that Linguard
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on August 24, 2016, 07:18:13 PM: Quote from: JUAN PABLO on August 24, 2016, 07:10:26 PM
I like valencia - he could play right back too but If they want to give us someone Id take Rashford or that Linguard

Not quite.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 24, 2016, 07:19:54 PM: Quote from: JUAN PABLO on August 24, 2016, 07:10:26 PM
I like valencia - he could play right back too but If they want to give us someone Id take Rashford or that Linguard

I quite like the look of that ibrahimovich guy. We should take a punt on him too
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Chris Jameson on August 24, 2016, 07:31:49 PM: Quote from: QuintonVilla on August 24, 2016, 06:24:55 PM
Valencia. Meh.

Had a holiday there last week, pretty much sums up how I felt about the place and the footballer.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 24, 2016, 07:33:59 PM: someone saw something in him to spunk a load of ££££ on him in the first place , did big Sam buy him for them ??
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 24, 2016, 07:34:30 PM: Quote from: Matt Collins on August 24, 2016, 07:19:54 PM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on August 24, 2016, 07:10:26 PM
I like valencia - he could play right back too but If they want to give us someone Id take Rashford or that Linguard

I quite like the look of that ibrahimovich guy. We should take a punt on him too

nah cant stand blokes with pig tails
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KevinGage on August 24, 2016, 07:42:51 PM: With their injury problems I don't see Wham letting Valencia go this summer, and the player himself will probably think he can do better than Division 2.

Similar to Hernandez, we might have enquired and the agent might not have dismissed it out of hand initially to get leverage on a new deal.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: eamonn on August 24, 2016, 07:58:16 PM: Quote from: Chris Jameson on August 24, 2016, 07:31:49 PM
Quote from: QuintonVilla on August 24, 2016, 06:24:55 PM
Valencia. Meh.

Had a holiday there last week, pretty much sums up how I felt about the place and the footballer.

What was wrong with it?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on August 24, 2016, 08:02:26 PM: Quote from: eamonn on August 24, 2016, 07:58:16 PM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on August 24, 2016, 07:31:49 PM
Quote from: QuintonVilla on August 24, 2016, 06:24:55 PM
Valencia. Meh.

Had a holiday there last week, pretty much sums up how I felt about the place and the footballer.

What was wrong with it?

When I went ten years or so ago I thought it was fantastic.

Best aquarium I've been to, great restaurants and a very decent beach five minutes tram ride from the city centre. I'd go back in a heartbeat.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: curiousorange on August 24, 2016, 08:07:26 PM: I don't think either is "world class" but on goalscoring alone Hernandez is much superior to Valencia. I can see there being more difficulty in tying up a deal for the former, but if the choice is Valencia or keeping the money for a rainy day, I honestly think buying him would be a waste.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on August 24, 2016, 08:09:15 PM: From Tony's tweet, I'd have thought we were closer to signing our new #9 than having a bid rejected for Valencia at such a late stage in the window. Unless the bid is tied up with West Ham's bid for Bony and Percy has got the wrong end of the stick and there is a 'wait for it' clause in there.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: JJ-AV on August 24, 2016, 08:35:09 PM: Rhodes not in the Boro team again. Sign him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 24, 2016, 08:42:39 PM: Valencia for me would be Tony's first miss step in an otherwise exemplary transfer window.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Chris Jameson on August 24, 2016, 08:43:20 PM: Quote from: eamonn on August 24, 2016, 07:58:16 PM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on August 24, 2016, 07:31:49 PM
Quote from: QuintonVilla on August 24, 2016, 06:24:55 PM
Valencia. Meh.

Had a holiday there last week, pretty much sums up how I felt about the place and the footballer.

What was wrong with it?

The old part of the city was pleasant enough and the oceanographic was great but the rest of the place did nothing for me, the amount of dog shit you had to dodge was ridiculous, the kids loved the beach but the area around there was full of boarded up buildings and very depressing. Can't say I have very fond memories of the place and won't be returning.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 24, 2016, 08:45:16 PM: I have similar feelings about Coventry
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Richard E on August 24, 2016, 08:48:40 PM: Quote from: mr underhill on August 24, 2016, 08:45:16 PM
I have similar feelings about Coventry

The beach in Coventry is particularly underwhelming.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 24, 2016, 08:53:30 PM: Rumours doing the rounds that Celtic have put in a £3m bid for Valencia and he's interested. Hope it's true.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 24, 2016, 08:55:17 PM: £3mil? that's not a lot really.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: four fornicholl on August 24, 2016, 08:57:13 PM: Its going to be Drogba, isn't it?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KevinGage on August 24, 2016, 09:00:13 PM: Probably not:

Didier Drogba ‏@didierdrogba Aug 22
Just come out of training at @impactmontreal & a million messages & trending on Twitter saying I was in Birmingham today 😳😳
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 24, 2016, 09:07:27 PM: Balotelli.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Mister E on August 24, 2016, 09:13:21 PM: Quote from: Chris Jameson on August 24, 2016, 08:43:20 PM
Quote from: eamonn on August 24, 2016, 07:58:16 PM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on August 24, 2016, 07:31:49 PM
Quote from: QuintonVilla on August 24, 2016, 06:24:55 PM
Valencia. Meh.

Had a holiday there last week, pretty much sums up how I felt about the place and the footballer.

What was wrong with it?

The old part of the city was pleasant enough and the oceanographic was great but the rest of the place did nothing for me, the amount of dog shit you had to dodge was ridiculous, the kids loved the beach but the area around there was full of boarded up buildings and very depressing. Can't say I have very fond memories of the place and won't be returning.
Spoiled by living in Harrogate .... ;D ;D
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: spangley1812 on August 24, 2016, 09:14:19 PM: Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on August 24, 2016, 08:53:30 PM
Rumours doing the rounds that Celtic have put in a £3m bid for Valencia and he's interested. Hope it's true.

Is that for the whole city????
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on August 24, 2016, 09:29:24 PM: Quote from: Mister E on August 24, 2016, 09:13:21 PM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on August 24, 2016, 08:43:20 PM
Quote from: eamonn on August 24, 2016, 07:58:16 PM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on August 24, 2016, 07:31:49 PM
Quote from: QuintonVilla on August 24, 2016, 06:24:55 PM
Valencia. Meh.

Had a holiday there last week, pretty much sums up how I felt about the place and the footballer.

What was wrong with it?

The old part of the city was pleasant enough and the oceanographic was great but the rest of the place did nothing for me, the amount of dog shit you had to dodge was ridiculous, the kids loved the beach but the area around there was full of boarded up buildings and very depressing. Can't say I have very fond memories of the place and won't be returning.
Spoiled by living in Harrogate .... ;D ;D

He'd rather be sat in Betty's with his Geordie mates.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: jwarry on August 24, 2016, 09:31:12 PM: Tony not denying these Valencia rumours, so looking true. Just done a bit of due diligence and pretty clear his Spam career hasn't exactly been one to write home about accepting he has had injuries, but they did fork out £12m a couple of years ago on the Mexican league's golden boot winner so could be worth a gamble but I would want more than a gamble for £12m
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 24, 2016, 09:31:47 PM: Quote from: TheMalandro on August 24, 2016, 09:29:24 PM
He'd rather be sat in Betty's with his Geordie mates.

**Snigger**
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 24, 2016, 09:38:27 PM: Quote from: jwarry on August 24, 2016, 09:31:12 PM
Tony not denying these Valencia rumours, so looking true. Just done a bit of due diligence and pretty clear his Spam career hasn't exactly been one to write home about accepting he has had injuries, but they did fork out £12m a couple of years ago on the Mexican league's golden boot winner so could be worth a gamble but I would want more than a gamble for £12m

tony hasnt said anything has he ?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Chris Jameson on August 24, 2016, 09:40:13 PM: Quote from: jwarry on August 24, 2016, 09:31:12 PM
Tony not denying these Valencia rumours, so looking true.

It's true, trust me, loads of dog crap.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on August 24, 2016, 09:47:12 PM: Quote from: Chris Jameson on August 24, 2016, 09:40:13 PM
Quote from: jwarry on August 24, 2016, 09:31:12 PM
Tony not denying these Valencia rumours, so looking true.

It's true, trust me, loads of dog crap.

Calm down pet
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Edvard Remberg on August 24, 2016, 09:47:23 PM: Tony gone MIA for many hours... all going tits up.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 24, 2016, 09:49:07 PM: Quote from: Edvard Remberg on August 24, 2016, 09:47:23 PM
Tony gone MIA for many hours... all going tits up.

I know I have become needy and want constant tweets
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KRS on August 24, 2016, 09:51:54 PM: May be someone has got the wrong end of the stick and he's just gone on a short break to Valencia...and it all started by someone overhearing one of his mates saying "I bet a tenner he's gone to Valencia".
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on August 24, 2016, 09:53:19 PM: I think Hernandez and Valencia are very similar. Obviously Hernandez has the advantage having proved himself in the championship but I do think Valencia would have a similar record at this level. To be fair to him too, he's spent a lot of time pushed out wide for WH. I'd be happy with either as they'd improve our frontline, and both could also play wide if needed too. I'd prefer Hernandez as he's on a roll.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Chris Jameson on August 24, 2016, 09:57:54 PM: Makes a note to avoid Hernandez for any future holidays.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 24, 2016, 09:58:19 PM: He is a gamble, but played down the middle i reckon he will be a lot better than people on here do. Hernandez would be a better bet of course, but Valencia is a pretty interesting one for a Championship club. Better than some options.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 24, 2016, 10:01:14 PM: Quite like the look of this Viviani we are being linked with. Good pass on him and think we still need another centre mid. I get the feeling this summer has all been about the spine, and wingers etc will come later.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: LukeJames on August 24, 2016, 11:02:09 PM: Valencia's never a wide man, if we play him through the middle then who knows, although £12m is a big gamble on who knows.
Hernandez looked pretty shite in his first Premier Lesgue spell though and he banged them in down here.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 24, 2016, 11:24:27 PM: We are battling Coventry for the signature of Kevin Drinkell.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: johnny from donny on August 24, 2016, 11:42:37 PM: Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on August 24, 2016, 11:24:27 PM
We are battling Coventry for the signature of Kevin Drinkell.

Well he is experienced, although he did play for small heath so that might put a few fans off him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Gregorys Boy on August 25, 2016, 01:26:01 AM: Not sure I can see us getting Hernandez. Its uncertain what kind of season we are going to have and Hull's promising start might convince him that it is worth sticking around to help try and keep them up. Think it would be a good buy as well as being a good finisher he would add some much needed pace through the middle. But I do think we need to focus more on adding to the midfield at this point. We need more of a goal threat from that area and more creativity too.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 25, 2016, 01:42:10 AM: Agreed. Midfield is still our weakness. It's the battleground in English football and we're still not well equipped for a long, tough season.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 25, 2016, 01:51:01 AM: We need another body in there for sure, although Bacuna can play holding midfield to a standard that is good enough in the Championship if we are short. He did ok there in a couple of games last season and seems very up for the fight this season, fair play to him for that. Plus we have Lyden to come back.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KRS on August 25, 2016, 01:51:47 AM: Yep we're still a midfielder and a striker short...and still at least 3 or 4 more players to get rid of.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Neil Hawkes on August 25, 2016, 04:57:56 AM: Quote from: ozzjim on August 24, 2016, 10:01:14 PM
Quite like the look of this Viviani we are being linked with. Good pass on him and think we still need another centre mid. I get the feeling this summer has all been about the spine, and wingers etc will come later.
If you are going to google Viviani, be careful with the spelling or your girlfriend/ wife might get very upset!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Stirchley Villain on August 25, 2016, 06:19:30 AM: Quote from: Gregorys Boy on August 25, 2016, 01:26:01 AM
Not sure I can see us getting Hernandez. Its uncertain what kind of season we are going to have and Hull's promising start might convince him that it is worth sticking around to help try and keep them up. Think it would be a good buy as well as being a good finisher he would add some much needed pace through the middle. But I do think we need to focus more on adding to the midfield at this point. We need more of a goal threat from that area and more creativity too.

Remember how our promising start of two years ago turned out?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on August 25, 2016, 07:11:59 AM: Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on August 25, 2016, 01:42:10 AM
Agreed. Midfield is still our weakness. It's the battleground in English football and we're still not well equipped for a long, tough season.

agree with that, another two midfielders for me
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 25, 2016, 07:14:26 AM: Rumours of 15m for Velencia which would be way over the top. Would actually prefer Sakho or to spend that on 3 unknowns from Europe with pace and a bit of skill. And I quite like him as a player.

What happened to that Haller we were linked with last January , he looked ideal.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: johnny from donny on August 25, 2016, 07:27:55 AM: Val Haller? That was just a myth
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on August 25, 2016, 07:34:08 AM: Quote from: ozzjim on August 25, 2016, 07:14:26 AM
Rumours of 15m for Velencia which would be way over the top. Would actually prefer Sakho or to spend that on 3 unknowns from Europe with pace and a bit of skill. And I quite like him as a player.

What happened to that Haller we were linked with last January , he looked ideal.

£15m would be absolutely ridiculous, he's barely worth a 1/3rd of that.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on August 25, 2016, 07:44:23 AM: Quote from: ozzjim on August 24, 2016, 10:01:14 PM
Quite like the look of this Viviani we are being linked with. Good pass on him and think we still need another centre mid. I get the feeling this summer has all been about the spine, and wingers etc will come later.

A Viviani Westwood midfield seams to be the fashionable choice
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on August 25, 2016, 08:22:54 AM: Should stitch up the midfield nicely.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: nigel on August 25, 2016, 08:30:00 AM: Quote from: aj2k77 on August 25, 2016, 07:34:08 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 25, 2016, 07:14:26 AM
Rumours of 15m for Velencia which would be way over the top. Would actually prefer Sakho or to spend that on 3 unknowns from Europe with pace and a bit of skill. And I quite like him as a player.

What happened to that Haller we were linked with last January , he looked ideal.

£15m would be absolutely ridiculous, he's barely worth a 1/3rd of that.

According to someone, earlier in thread, Celtic have bid £3m for him. So there's your starting point.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 25, 2016, 08:35:36 AM: Quote from: brian green on August 25, 2016, 08:22:54 AM
Should stitch up the midfield nicely.

Sorry, but's that's sew unfunny.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on August 25, 2016, 08:40:07 AM: Quote from: RussellC on August 25, 2016, 08:35:36 AM
Quote from: brian green on August 25, 2016, 08:22:54 AM
Should stitch up the midfield nicely.

Sorry, but's that's sew unfunny.
Brian's always embroidering stuff with fancy words!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: rob_bridge on August 25, 2016, 08:52:07 AM: Quote from: brian green on August 25, 2016, 08:22:54 AM
Should stitch up the midfield nicely.

Indeed I can see a nice pattern emerging too
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: dave shelley on August 25, 2016, 09:19:19 AM: This is all too darn...ed much!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Brend'Watkins on August 25, 2016, 09:28:12 AM: I think we all agree Westwood is Bobbins but the rest should not be Overlockered.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on August 25, 2016, 09:47:26 AM: Quote from: ozzjim on August 25, 2016, 07:14:26 AM

What happened to that Haller we were linked with last January , he looked ideal.

Hallerdashery
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 25, 2016, 09:52:30 AM: maybe wigan in for Hutton

Lets hope
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: in exile on August 25, 2016, 09:54:02 AM: Quote from: johnny from donny on August 25, 2016, 07:27:55 AM
Val Haller? That was just a myth
;D
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: JD on August 25, 2016, 10:26:58 AM: Quote from: ozzjim on August 24, 2016, 10:01:14 PM
Quite like the look of this Viviani we are being linked with. Good pass on him and think we still need another centre mid. I get the feeling this summer has all been about the spine, and wingers etc will come later.

Would Team Sky let him go though? Olympic Gold Medalist as well.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 25, 2016, 10:41:14 AM: Linked with Jordan Rhodes from Middlesbro today, would be a very good signing for us if it happened (don't think it will).

Played really well with Gestede, and presumably has played with RM for Scotland. Great player at Championship level.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Nastylee on August 25, 2016, 10:48:00 AM: I have been relatively pleased with the direction we are heading and am getting more optimistic about our chances of promotion, but I have one nagging concern. It was something I mentioned a couple of months ago and not much of our business has done much to despell it. Many of our signings are good, solid pros with experience of promotion. However, these same players have shown they are not quite upto standard once in the PL. Elphick, De Laet, Chester, etc have all failed to cement a place in the PL once there for differing reasons. My worry is we get promoted then we will need another rebuild to survive as our squad will be full of players who are too good for the Championship but not quite good enough for the PL.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Gareth on August 25, 2016, 10:48:55 AM: I'd ask the same question with Rhodes as I would with McCormack - with their scoring record why has no Premiership club ever taken them? Does Rhodes contribute to team play?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Nastylee on August 25, 2016, 10:51:37 AM: Rhodes, a no for me. See previous post.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 25, 2016, 10:55:54 AM: Quote from: Gareth on August 25, 2016, 10:48:55 AM
I'd ask the same question with Rhodes as I would with McCormack - with their scoring record why has no Premiership club ever taken them? Does Rhodes contribute to team play?

It is worrying that Boro are happy to let him go now they are up, but I guess it's a case of job done. They now have a bucketload of Prem cash to spend, and don't need to find out if he can hack it at the level above.

With RM from what I have seen so far, I think he would do very well in the Prem.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 25, 2016, 10:56:06 AM: I
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 25, 2016, 10:59:06 AM: In other news... Hutton linked with Wigan, Richards linked with Trabsponzer and Sunderland, Lescott linked with AEK Athens.

I don't dislike Hutton and think he is ok as a back up option, but would take the cash if offered. Be nice if the others went.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 25, 2016, 11:01:51 AM: Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on August 25, 2016, 10:56:06 AM
I

Bit of an egotistical post, that.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sid1964 on August 25, 2016, 11:06:26 AM: If we can get rid of Hutton, Richards, Lescott and a couple of others, then that would be fantastic news
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: chrisf on August 25, 2016, 11:08:48 AM: Quote from: JD on August 25, 2016, 10:26:58 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 24, 2016, 10:01:14 PM
Quite like the look of this Viviani we are being linked with. Good pass on him and think we still need another centre mid. I get the feeling this summer has all been about the spine, and wingers etc will come later.

Would Team Sky let him go though? Olympic Gold Medalist as well.
He's definitely got the pace.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Pete on August 25, 2016, 11:09:46 AM: Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on August 25, 2016, 10:59:06 AM
In other news... Hutton linked with Wigan, Richards linked with Trabsponzer and Sunderland, Lescott linked with AEK Athens.

I don't dislike Hutton and think he is ok as a back up option, but would take the cash if offered. Be nice if the others went.

If Lescott won't move to Scotland for family reasons, I can't see him going to Greece. Unless the 'family reasons' thing was a piece of nonsense.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on August 25, 2016, 11:11:14 AM: Quote from: Nastylee on August 25, 2016, 10:51:37 AM
Rhodes, a no for me. See previous post.

I agree. We need some pace and movement up front, two qualities that Rhodes does not possess.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 25, 2016, 11:12:27 AM: sorry must have hit the button twice
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: john e on August 25, 2016, 11:17:17 AM: Think I'd rather just stick with the strikers we have than bring in another not quite good enough for the prem sort
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sid1964 on August 25, 2016, 11:50:32 AM: I read that Rhodes is on £49k per week!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 25, 2016, 11:52:31 AM: He was on the bench a lot at Blackburn due to how little he contributed. Not for me. Would sooner have the 2 South Americans.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: levico on August 25, 2016, 11:56:06 AM: Quote from: Nastylee on August 25, 2016, 10:48:00 AM
I have been relatively pleased with the direction we are heading and am getting more optimistic about our chances of promotion, but I have one nagging concern. It was something I mentioned a couple of months ago and not much of our business has done much to despell it. Many of our signings are good, solid pros with experience of promotion. However, these same players have shown they are not quite upto standard once in the PL. Elphick, De Laet, Chester, etc have all failed to cement a place in the PL once there for differing reasons. My worry is we get promoted then we will need another rebuild to survive as our squad will be full of players who are too good for the Championship but not quite good enough for the PL.

I don't disagree but they don't necessarily need to be up to PL standard. They need to be good enough to get us promoted from where Tony will no doubt start the real rebuilding.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 25, 2016, 11:57:43 AM: With the way we're setting up under RDM I think we need a striker who can 'lead the line' as opposed to one who thrives-off playing with someone else, like Rhodes does. An upgrade on Gestede, as opposed to a partner for him.

From what I've seen Hernandez, Kodjia and Wells would all fit the bill. Unsure on Valencia, as he seems to play deeper and wider (a bit like Ayew). Sakho from WHU would seem a better fit.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on August 25, 2016, 12:01:51 PM: Quote from: sid1964 on August 25, 2016, 11:50:32 AM
I read that Rhodes is on £49k per week!

Fuck a duck!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on August 25, 2016, 12:16:39 PM: Quote from: TheMalandro on August 25, 2016, 12:01:51 PM
Quote from: sid1964 on August 25, 2016, 11:50:32 AM
I read that Rhodes is on £49k per week!

Fuck a duck!

Bit of plum sauce and I might.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Axl Rose on August 25, 2016, 12:22:05 PM: Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on August 25, 2016, 12:16:39 PM
Quote from: TheMalandro on August 25, 2016, 12:01:51 PM
Quote from: sid1964 on August 25, 2016, 11:50:32 AM
I read that Rhodes is on £49k per week!

Fuck a duck!

Bit of plum sauce and I might.

Ha! Good.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 25, 2016, 12:46:49 PM: No to Rhodes he contributes very little.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on August 25, 2016, 01:03:47 PM: Absolute NO to Rhodes from me. We can't keep stocking up on players with just the championship in mind. I know we're in it but the goal has to be to go back up within a couple of years and then not have to replace the whole bloody side yet again surely ?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: nuninho on August 25, 2016, 01:06:32 PM: According to Sky Sports News, Henry Cowans has joined Stevenage on loan until 7th January.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Chris Jameson on August 25, 2016, 01:06:49 PM: When we signed Gestede a couple of Blackburn season ticket holders I know were gutted and said they'd rather Rhodes had gone. That's scary.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mattjpa on August 25, 2016, 01:16:57 PM: Quote from: Nastylee on August 25, 2016, 10:48:00 AM
I have been relatively pleased with the direction we are heading and am getting more optimistic about our chances of promotion, but I have one nagging concern. It was something I mentioned a couple of months ago and not much of our business has done much to despell it. Many of our signings are good, solid pros with experience of promotion. However, these same players have shown they are not quite upto standard once in the PL. Elphick, De Laet, Chester, etc have all failed to cement a place in the PL once there for differing reasons. My worry is we get promoted then we will need another rebuild to survive as our squad will be full of players who are too good for the Championship but not quite good enough for the PL.

I wouldnt worry too much about this at the moment, there are so many contributing factors to each of those you have mentioned. The critical thing is that if we make it back up, we will be shopping in a completely different market with a different budget - lets not look at the finishing line with three fences to jump if you like. I dont think any of those mentioned have looked out of place in the premiership, if we have a squad with the right mentality and application and add to it with a couple of stand out star players, cementing a premiership base to build from shouldnt be an issue.
De Laet played almost every game for Leicester before his loan move, chester was a regular for Hull before WBA but didnt have enough height for Pulis (5"9) and Elphick was bournemouths star man before his injury.
Im confident that if we do a job this year, the base of this squad will be good enough to not see a repeat of last years horor show
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villafirst on August 25, 2016, 01:31:06 PM: Quote from: TheMalandro on August 25, 2016, 12:01:51 PM
Quote from: sid1964 on August 25, 2016, 11:50:32 AM
I read that Rhodes is on £49k per week!

Fuck a duck!

Gabby is on £50k plus per week. So he can have Gabby's wages! After all, what does Gabby actually contribute?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: prmort on August 25, 2016, 01:39:31 PM: I can't help thinking we are still looking at Jonathan Kodjia, maybe Bristol wont let him go until after they've played us.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brontebilly on August 25, 2016, 01:41:21 PM: Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on August 25, 2016, 10:41:14 AM
Linked with Jordan Rhodes from Middlesbro today, would be a very good signing for us if it happened (don't think it will).

Played really well with Gestede, and presumably has played with RM for Scotland. Great player at Championship level.

Don't think he played well with Gestede at all at Blackburn, Josh King played quite a bit with both of them. King might not be the worst shout actually, not exactly prolific but fast and a decent experienced option up top.

For some reason Rhodes and McCormack don't play much for Strachan, too slow I presume. Fletcher and Martin played against Ireland I think. Naismith and Moloney preferred to McCormack. Then again Strachan had clowns like Scott Brown playing too ahead of superior players.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: paul_e on August 25, 2016, 02:44:34 PM: Quote from: mattjpa on August 25, 2016, 01:16:57 PM
Quote from: Nastylee on August 25, 2016, 10:48:00 AM
I have been relatively pleased with the direction we are heading and am getting more optimistic about our chances of promotion, but I have one nagging concern. It was something I mentioned a couple of months ago and not much of our business has done much to despell it. Many of our signings are good, solid pros with experience of promotion. However, these same players have shown they are not quite upto standard once in the PL. Elphick, De Laet, Chester, etc have all failed to cement a place in the PL once there for differing reasons. My worry is we get promoted then we will need another rebuild to survive as our squad will be full of players who are too good for the Championship but not quite good enough for the PL.

I wouldnt worry too much about this at the moment, there are so many contributing factors to each of those you have mentioned. The critical thing is that if we make it back up, we will be shopping in a completely different market with a different budget - lets not look at the finishing line with three fences to jump if you like. I dont think any of those mentioned have looked out of place in the premiership, if we have a squad with the right mentality and application and add to it with a couple of stand out star players, cementing a premiership base to build from shouldnt be an issue.
De Laet played almost every game for Leicester before his loan move, chester was a regular for Hull before WBA but didnt have enough height for Pulis (5"9) and Elphick was bournemouths star man before his injury.
Im confident that if we do a job this year, the base of this squad will be good enough to not see a repeat of last years horor show

The important thing is that most of our signings this summer are going to have to be at least squad players for us if we go up so we need to be able to trust them to do a job. Right now I don't think we've signed anyone who I'd be against staying in that situation (I do have some reservations about RM not being quick enough and Jedi might be a little too old by the time we get back) but Rhodes would be a step too far for me. Boro signed him 6 months ago and now they're promoted they happy for him to leave, that shouldn't be ignored, if he's the only option I'd rather go with what we have, give RHM some game time and look again in January.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 25, 2016, 02:55:52 PM: I'm reasonably relaxed but I do think it's a valid point. But then it may be that McCormack and Tshibola for example have a great impact.

Chester hasn't done it, but I think he's a good player
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 25, 2016, 03:44:14 PM: I think RM will be fine if we go up. He's quality wherever he gets it and is intelligent with the ball. Valencia has done a job for West Ham so we know he can play there. Jedinak will be fine and still important to battle and lead and Chester was in the Hull side that went down but had a rant decent defence. Wasn't their bigger issue not being able to score with Hernandez who we now want me than anyone else not being able to do it at all?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KevinGage on August 25, 2016, 04:42:39 PM: Di Matteo spoke about having to build two teams (might have even been three) in an interview with the Telegraph during pre season, when the talk switched to reestablishing ourselves in the Prem.

I had initially hoped that if we kept the likes of Veretout, Gana, Gill and Traore (know he is still here, but he might as well be away) they would have been far too good for this division, and a couple of astute purchases on top of that would get us firing.

For various reasons, we've had to go with practically a new starting XI from scratch.

It sounds like they are under no illusions that this squad will need major surgery again if/when we get back up.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mattjpa on August 25, 2016, 04:50:38 PM: Ultimately, we are a championship team and whilst it wont affect many positions, getting a top drawer CF who will score shed loads in the prem to drop down a league is unrealistic. Thats why people like McCormack, Gestede, poss even someone like Rhodes are perfect for us as they can hammer this league and provide support if we make it back up. Unless we can unearth a Gem like Andre Gray we are doing the right thing I think.
I would expect the lions share of any promotion-resulting war chest to be spent on the attacking line
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: paul_e on August 25, 2016, 05:04:40 PM: Quote from: mattjpa on August 25, 2016, 04:50:38 PM
Ultimately, we are a championship team and whilst it wont affect many positions, getting a top drawer CF who will score shed loads in the prem to drop down a league is unrealistic. Thats why people like McCormack, Gestede, poss even someone like Rhodes are perfect for us as they can hammer this league and provide support if we make it back up. Unless we can unearth a Gem like Andre Gray we are doing the right thing I think.
I would expect the lions share of any promotion-resulting war chest to be spent on the attacking line

I'd rather we try to find that gem than just go for someone we know can't do it. Tshibola is a great example of the sort of signing I like, looks good enough for this league now but has the potential to get much better. Gollini falls into the same category as would Diawara and Viviani. A few more stable signings are fine but we already have RM and Gestede who have done it in te championship and give us that stability, now I want someone who can be much more than that but might not be quite so consistent to begin with.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 25, 2016, 07:17:16 PM: Quote from: paul_e on August 25, 2016, 05:04:40 PM
Quote from: mattjpa on August 25, 2016, 04:50:38 PM
Ultimately, we are a championship team and whilst it wont affect many positions, getting a top drawer CF who will score shed loads in the prem to drop down a league is unrealistic. Thats why people like McCormack, Gestede, poss even someone like Rhodes are perfect for us as they can hammer this league and provide support if we make it back up. Unless we can unearth a Gem like Andre Gray we are doing the right thing I think.
I would expect the lions share of any promotion-resulting war chest to be spent on the attacking line

I'd rather we try to find that gem than just go for someone we know can't do it. Tshibola is a great example of the sort of signing I like, looks good enough for this league now but has the potential to get much better. Gollini falls into the same category as would Diawara and Viviani. A few more stable signings are fine but we already have RM and Gestede who have done it in te championship and give us that stability, now I want someone who can be much more than that but might not be quite so consistent to begin with.
I think it is a mixed bag though Paul. Valencia, for example could fly played down the middle in a different system to West Ham. I think there will be a couple more in yet. Some players will do fine in the prem. I think this side would be much more competitive already
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Holte L2 on August 25, 2016, 07:23:48 PM: Quote from: prmort on August 25, 2016, 01:39:31 PM
I can't help thinking we are still looking at Jonathan Kodjia, maybe Bristol wont let him go until after they've played us.

Yeah my thoughts too.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: paul_e on August 25, 2016, 08:05:21 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on August 25, 2016, 07:17:16 PM
Quote from: paul_e on August 25, 2016, 05:04:40 PM
Quote from: mattjpa on August 25, 2016, 04:50:38 PM
Ultimately, we are a championship team and whilst it wont affect many positions, getting a top drawer CF who will score shed loads in the prem to drop down a league is unrealistic. Thats why people like McCormack, Gestede, poss even someone like Rhodes are perfect for us as they can hammer this league and provide support if we make it back up. Unless we can unearth a Gem like Andre Gray we are doing the right thing I think.
I would expect the lions share of any promotion-resulting war chest to be spent on the attacking line

I'd rather we try to find that gem than just go for someone we know can't do it. Tshibola is a great example of the sort of signing I like, looks good enough for this league now but has the potential to get much better. Gollini falls into the same category as would Diawara and Viviani. A few more stable signings are fine but we already have RM and Gestede who have done it in te championship and give us that stability, now I want someone who can be much more than that but might not be quite so consistent to begin with.
I think it is a mixed bag though Paul. Valencia, for example could fly played down the middle in a different system to West Ham. I think there will be a couple more in yet. Some players will do fine in the prem. I think this side would be much more competitive already

I agree, Valencia is one that could go either way, at the right price he's probably worth the gamble but that's not £12m. I also think that everyone we've bought has got the potential to be at least a squad player in the premier league, I don't think Rhodes meets that criteria.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: villabear on August 25, 2016, 08:53:36 PM: Bamford joining Burnley on season long loan tomorrow according to Guardian writer Stuart James on Twitter. How many loans can one player want? He's the next Josh McEachran methinks.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: garyshawsknee on August 25, 2016, 08:54:42 PM: Bit like Victor Moses. He's had so many loans, I actually forgot who is real club was.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: QuintonVilla on August 25, 2016, 09:27:17 PM: Valencia came on at half time for West Ham. He looks absolute cack.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: danno on August 25, 2016, 09:29:28 PM: Its almost frightening how much work RDM has had to do to make even our starting eleven competitive in the championship.
I'm very pleased with the business we've done so far.

If I was being greedy I'd want another body in midfield a striker and a wide option.

But signing six/seven players who are pretty much going straight into our starting eleven, is more than I could have hoped for.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mallo on August 25, 2016, 09:40:12 PM: I'm going to stick my neck out and say Valencia is a smokescreen - it just doesn't make sense. To buy a struggling premiership player in poor form is nothing to do with who we've bought so far. It just doesn't fit the pattern.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: QuintonVilla on August 25, 2016, 09:44:22 PM: I hope so because he's awful.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 25, 2016, 09:51:38 PM: Quote from: QuintonVilla on August 25, 2016, 09:44:22 PM
I hope so because he's awful.

But you like him?

*There's a topical joke for the youngsters.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: nigel on August 25, 2016, 10:29:28 PM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 25, 2016, 09:51:38 PM
Quote from: QuintonVilla on August 25, 2016, 09:44:22 PM
I hope so because he's awful.

But you like him?

*There's a topical joke for the youngsters.

Dad, I think I've done it wrong again 😊
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Chris Jameson on August 25, 2016, 10:31:10 PM: Shut that door...
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 25, 2016, 10:48:22 PM: Quote from: johnny from donny on August 25, 2016, 07:27:55 AM
Val Haller? That was just a myth

Might as well Jump At That.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on August 25, 2016, 10:56:26 PM: I think someone mentioned him earlier in the thread, but I wonder if Bournemouth would sell if a decent offer came in for Afobe. Not been there long, but doesn't seem to be first choice.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mallo on August 25, 2016, 11:15:40 PM: Afobe will always be twice the player Valencia is - I hope to god Bournemouth think they're past him and want to be Barcelona - he would be brilliant.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: adrenachrome on August 25, 2016, 11:35:07 PM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 25, 2016, 09:51:38 PM
Quote from: QuintonVilla on August 25, 2016, 09:44:22 PM
I hope so because he's awful.

But you like him?

*There's a topical joke for the youngsters.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: wozwebs on August 26, 2016, 12:33:38 AM: Tony was at the West Ham game tonight, posted a photo of his view on Twitter earlier. Guest of the Porn Dwarf you would presume sorting Valencia deal out?

EDIT: Saying that, as I typed the above Tony the Tweeter just put this:

Quote
Quotation from Mao:We must have faith in the masses! Truly fans' viewpoints are even better than scouting reports!

So that would say to me he's listened to the fans views on Valencia (mostly negative) and went to see him for himself and has concurred that he's shite?

The Villa View also asked him this: Does this mean you've decided NOT to sign Valencia? and he liked that Tweet so fair to say he won't be coming.

Just getting my head around this, after all the years of shit under Lerner, but we have actually got an owner who listens to the fans!!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 26, 2016, 12:40:52 AM: Quote from: wozwebs on August 26, 2016, 12:33:38 AM
Tony was at the West Ham game tonight, posted a photo of his view on Twitter earlier. Guest of the Porn Dwarf you would presume sorting Valencia deal out?

EDIT: Saying that, as I typed the above Tony the Tweeter just put this:

Quote
Quotation from Mao:We must have faith in the masses! Truly fans' viewpoints are even better than scouting reports!

So that would say to me he's listened to the fans views on Valencia (mostly negative) and went to see him for himself and has concurred that he's shite?

The Villa View also asked him this: Does this mean you've decided NOT to sign Valencia? and he liked that Tweet so fair to say he won't be coming.

Just getting my head around this, after all the years of shit under Lerner, but we have actually got an owner who listens to the fans!!

Surely, hopefully, he's not the one making decisions like that!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Havencheese on August 26, 2016, 01:17:39 AM: Dr Tone the social media interaction King. Imagine him setting up polls.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: thick_mike on August 26, 2016, 01:34:02 AM: Didn't Randy balk at employing Schteve McClaren because of negative fan feedback?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 26, 2016, 01:35:59 AM: Quote from: thick_mike on August 26, 2016, 01:34:02 AM
Didn't Randy balk at employing Schteve McClaren because of negative fan feedback?

No, that was a bit of a myth.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Lescottstweets on August 26, 2016, 01:36:46 AM: Quote from: Havencheese on August 26, 2016, 01:17:39 AM
Dr Tone the social media interaction King. Imagine him setting up polls.
And he'll be doing follow fridays and instagraming pictures of his tea along with duckface selfies
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: thick_mike on August 26, 2016, 01:41:38 AM: Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 26, 2016, 01:35:59 AM
Quote from: thick_mike on August 26, 2016, 01:34:02 AM
Didn't Randy balk at employing Schteve McClaren because of negative fan feedback?

No, that was a bit of a myth.

Either way, I don't think the owner should be making football decisions. Though he might be using this direct communication as a bargaining ploy. Overinflated price for Valencia given by Gold...negative comments on Twitter from Dr X implying we ace no longer interested...more realistic price from Gold?

If it is part of negotiations, all well and good. If the owner is dictating transfer policy, then it's a bad sign.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: paul_e on August 26, 2016, 01:54:08 AM: I don't think we know anything like enough about it to be able to imply anything other than it currently seems unlikely that he will be the nine we get. I think the price tag already ensured that so nothing has really changed.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 26, 2016, 03:59:20 AM: I read his tweet the same way. If we're making player recruitment decisions based on tweets to the chairman that just cannot be a recipe for success - even though I agree with the thrust of the views.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on August 26, 2016, 06:27:08 AM: Tony's mantra has been trust RDM. If there's any issue with Valencia in the first instance, it's a £12m fee.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: jwarry on August 26, 2016, 06:30:52 AM: If Valencia can't get into Spam's starting 11 when they have no strikers and then fails to make a difference when he comes on in full view of the good doctor then his tweets make perfect sense
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on August 26, 2016, 07:25:42 AM: Quote from: thick_mike on August 26, 2016, 01:41:38 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 26, 2016, 01:35:59 AM
Quote from: thick_mike on August 26, 2016, 01:34:02 AM
Didn't Randy balk at employing Schteve McClaren because of negative fan feedback?

No, that was a bit of a myth.

Either way, I don't think the owner should be making football decisions. Though he might be using this direct communication as a bargaining ploy. Overinflated price for Valencia given by Gold...negative comments on Twitter from Dr X implying we ace no longer interested...more realistic price from Gold?

If it is part of negotiations, all well and good. If the owner is dictating transfer policy, then it's a bad sign.

Absolutely. If our transfers are going to be decided on the basis of some Twits sending messages to the owner and him watching the player once then that's pretty terrifying.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: garyshawsknee on August 26, 2016, 07:28:07 AM: If it stops us wasting 12 million on Valencia, it's probably a good call in this instance.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on August 26, 2016, 07:56:33 AM: If rdm wants Valencia I can't see Dr saying no to him
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 26, 2016, 08:12:47 AM: Quote from: Dave on August 26, 2016, 07:25:42 AM
Quote from: thick_mike on August 26, 2016, 01:41:38 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 26, 2016, 01:35:59 AM
Quote from: thick_mike on August 26, 2016, 01:34:02 AM
Didn't Randy balk at employing Schteve McClaren because of negative fan feedback?

No, that was a bit of a myth.

Either way, I don't think the owner should be making football decisions. Though he might be using this direct communication as a bargaining ploy. Overinflated price for Valencia given by Gold...negative comments on Twitter from Dr X implying we ace no longer interested...more realistic price from Gold?

If it is part of negotiations, all well and good. If the owner is dictating transfer policy, then it's a bad sign.

Absolutely. If our transfers are going to be decided on the basis of some Twits sending messages to the owner and him watching the player once then that's pretty terrifying.

Agreed. We could be signing Messi and there would be someone complaining.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Witton Warrior on August 26, 2016, 08:19:47 AM: Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 26, 2016, 01:35:59 AM
Quote from: thick_mike on August 26, 2016, 01:34:02 AM
Didn't Randy balk at employing Schteve McClaren because of negative fan feedback?

No, that was a bit of a myth.

Was made up as some sort of "reason" for not listening to us about TSM1 wasn't it?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on August 26, 2016, 08:24:47 AM: I think Tony on the sidelines publicly expressing opinions is an excellent strengthening of RDM's bargaining position. If you and your wife go to look at a house you want to buy, you never both plunge in. One likes this, but doesn't like that. That way you get a favourable deal. I am sure RDM knows who he wants but it helps him no end to be able to say "I will have to talk to the owner about that".
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 26, 2016, 08:31:07 AM: I agree there's a risk we're doing him a disservice - it now seems his approach to Joe Bennett has been sensible, whereas it first looked a sign of an interfering chairman

Anyways, unless we do a deal this morning it looks like we'll be very short of firepower for tomorrow
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Stu on August 26, 2016, 08:31:14 AM: Some bloke called Zaza, a striker, has agreed terms with West Ham apparently so Valencia may still be on his way - if the press talk is true, obvs.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: nigel on August 26, 2016, 08:38:18 AM: If RDM thinks that Valencia would be a good fit into our system, we have to trust his judgement.
Just because it didn't work out at WHU doesn't mean he will fail with us.
If anything it's just the price tag of £12m which puts people off
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on August 26, 2016, 08:46:08 AM: I suspect the dialogue with Bilic (please God not Brady or the porno dwarfs) will be about money. RDM's tyre kicking will revolve around him saying Tony will not pay that much.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dr Butler on August 26, 2016, 09:14:08 AM: £12m is not steep, it's effing vertical for Valencia....but as it has been said above me that if Rob and Tone want him and think that he can do the job down at B6 then that's just dandy with me :)

UTV
The Doc
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: WarszaVillan on August 26, 2016, 09:21:40 AM: Our owner actually quoted Mao!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 26, 2016, 09:27:08 AM: Latest tweet is 'another rumour not true'. Trouble is the tweet he's answering has been deleted. Did anybody see what it was?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: dave shelley on August 26, 2016, 09:27:31 AM: Quote from: WarszaVillan82 on August 26, 2016, 09:21:40 AM
Our owner actually quoted Mao!

TBF, it's one of the more sane of Mao's quotes.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Richard E on August 26, 2016, 09:27:57 AM: Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 26, 2016, 09:27:08 AM
Latest tweet is 'another rumour not true'. Trouble is the tweet he's answering has been deleted. Did anybody see what it was?

That we had tried to loan a Man U youth keeper but he was going to Forest instead. I'd never heard of him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on August 26, 2016, 09:31:20 AM: Quote from: WarszaVillan82 on August 26, 2016, 09:21:40 AM
Our owner actually quoted Mao!

The previous owner sounded like he was quoting Moe

(http://moe.met.fsu.edu/~rhart/moe.jpg)
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 26, 2016, 09:39:08 AM: Quote from: Richard E on August 26, 2016, 09:27:57 AM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 26, 2016, 09:27:08 AM
Latest tweet is 'another rumour not true'. Trouble is the tweet he's answering has been deleted. Did anybody see what it was?

That we had tried to loan a Man U youth keeper but he was going to Forest instead. I'd never heard of him.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: dutchvilla on August 26, 2016, 09:47:20 AM: Isn't £12M more or less the same as what was paid for McCormack, the striker not good enough yet to play in the Premier League? I'd say Valencia is better - and quicker - than McCormack any day.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 26, 2016, 09:52:20 AM: He's certainly quicker. He's also apparently very low on confidence and form

He could rip it up but it must be a gamble. Hernandez just looks a much safer bet. And someone who's a genuine number 9 too.

McCormack will very likely get 15-20 goals and 10 or so assists. I wouldn't be confident that Valencia can match that
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on August 26, 2016, 09:55:40 AM: Quote from: garyshawsknee on August 26, 2016, 07:28:07 AM
If it stops us wasting 12 million on Valencia, it's probably a good call in this instance.

Not really. If we were trying to sign Valencia then it's because the people in charge of putting the team together wanted him.

If the owner turns round and effectively says "instead of listening to what you want for the team I'm going with the opinions of these children on the internet", that doesn't bode well for any future relationship does it?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 26, 2016, 09:59:45 AM: I know it's really obvious, but I've just twigged that we've a week left to get in remaining players.

Still don't really follow why Hernandez would want to drop a division after two in two in the premier league. But hoping he does.

We definitely need someone in. Wouldn't be over the moon with nakhi wells but would be a much better option than we have now. Can he play the 9 role though?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on August 26, 2016, 10:04:57 AM: Quote from: Matt Collins on August 26, 2016, 09:59:45 AM
Still don't really follow why Hernandez would want to drop a division after two in two in the premier league. But hoping he does.

One in two.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on August 26, 2016, 10:13:14 AM: Quote from: Dave on August 26, 2016, 09:55:40 AM
Quote from: garyshawsknee on August 26, 2016, 07:28:07 AM
If it stops us wasting 12 million on Valencia, it's probably a good call in this instance.

Not really. If we were trying to sign Valencia then it's because the people in charge of putting the team together wanted him.

If the owner turns round and effectively says "instead of listening to what you want for the team I'm going with the opinions of these children on the internet", that doesn't bode well for any future relationship does it?

It would be madness and regardless of whether its true or not [and I seriously doubt that the reason we may not sign a player would be because of tweets from some fans] it is likely to become the accepted truth anyway.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on August 26, 2016, 10:21:28 AM: Quote from: Matt Collins on August 26, 2016, 09:59:45 AM
I know it's really obvious, but I've just twigged that we've a week left to get in remaining players.

Still don't really follow why Hernandez would want to drop a division after two in two in the premier league. But hoping he does.

We definitely need someone in. Wouldn't be over the moon with nakhi wells but would be a much better option than we have now. Can he play the 9 role though?

Wells could definitely play the 9 role and can play as a lone striker. I think he would a decent buy, as if he contributes goals in a promotion season, we will get the same amount we paid for him if we go and attract better.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on August 26, 2016, 10:41:53 AM: Valencia would be helped by getting a run up top through the middle I think. I think he'd score plenty in this division.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 26, 2016, 10:50:30 AM: Quote from: supertom on August 26, 2016, 10:41:53 AM
Valencia would be helped by getting a run up top through the middle I think. I think he'd score plenty in this division.

I agree.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 26, 2016, 11:31:10 AM: Does anyone honestly believe he is trusting the opinion of fans on player targets over the manager? Because I think he's done a pretty good job so so far of listening to fans and not committing to much that actually affects the playing side of the club. From my perspective he's always positioned himself as trusting the manager and his staff in identifying targets and backed him in that regard. It's not like there was a mass fan clamour for any of the players we bought which prompted us to make those signings.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Chris Jameson on August 26, 2016, 11:47:01 AM: Quote from: Dave on August 26, 2016, 10:04:57 AM
Quote from: Matt Collins on August 26, 2016, 09:59:45 AM
Still don't really follow why Hernandez would want to drop a division after two in two in the premier league. But hoping he does.

One in two.

One and a half in two.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Hookeysmith on August 26, 2016, 11:48:45 AM: Quote from: Dave on August 26, 2016, 10:04:57 AM
Quote from: Matt Collins on August 26, 2016, 09:59:45 AM
Still don't really follow why Hernandez would want to drop a division after two in two in the premier league. But hoping he does.

One in two.

Because over a 3/4 years contract there is a strong view he would be in the Premiership with us whilst Hull go the other way

Oh but the main reason is because

WE ARE ASTON VILLA
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 26, 2016, 11:50:57 AM: we are now being linked with Anderlecht striker Sefano Okaka
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sid1964 on August 26, 2016, 12:41:02 PM: According to the Mail, Lescott in advanced negotiations with AEK Athens - I hope he realises how far from Manchester - Greece is?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Damo70 on August 26, 2016, 12:48:46 PM: Quote from: sid1964 on August 26, 2016, 12:41:02 PM
According to the Mail, Lescott in advanced negotiations with AEK Athens - I hope he realises how far from Manchester - Greece is?

Yes but with the money he has imagine the sort of cars he could afford in the Greek economy.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 26, 2016, 12:52:18 PM: Quote from: Hookeysmith on August 26, 2016, 11:48:45 AM
Quote from: Dave on August 26, 2016, 10:04:57 AM
Quote from: Matt Collins on August 26, 2016, 09:59:45 AM
Still don't really follow why Hernandez would want to drop a division after two in two in the premier league. But hoping he does.

One in two.

Because over a 3/4 years contract there is a strong view he would be in the Premiership with us whilst Hull go the other way

Oh but the main reason is because

WE ARE ASTON VILLA

Sure. But wouldn't you back yourself and wait? He's either going to get an immediate better offer or have a season doing his thing in the top flight, in which case he'll have no shortage of premier league teams

We might just be offering a lot more cash I guess
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 26, 2016, 12:52:57 PM: And in in other news Mica 'Turkey' Richards off to...Turkey
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oldtimernow on August 26, 2016, 12:55:56 PM: couldn't wait to gobble that one up!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: LukeJames on August 26, 2016, 12:59:52 PM: Quote from: mr underhill on August 26, 2016, 11:50:57 AM
we are now being linked with Anderlecht striker Sefano Okaka

He was awful for Fulham, but that was a few years ago now.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Chris Jameson on August 26, 2016, 01:09:56 PM: Quote from: mr underhill on August 26, 2016, 11:50:57 AM
we are now being linked with Anderlecht striker Sefano Okaka

I'm sure people are just randomly grabbing letters out of the Scrabble bag and making up names now.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 26, 2016, 01:15:15 PM: I'm sure you are right, it's just click bait but I still fall for it with only a few days of the window to go
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: in exile on August 26, 2016, 01:19:24 PM: I hope the Lescot and Richards stories are true and they bugger off sharpish
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 26, 2016, 01:22:44 PM: This may have been posted as it isn't new. Purports to be an interview with Hernandez. Key points below

http://www.ovaciondigital.com.uy/futbol/joya-hernandez-inglaterra-hull-city.html

Por último, sobre la chance de pasar al Newcastle o Aston Villa, Abel dice que "son dos clubes que tienen proyectos interesantes y que están trabajando bien". Por eso, esta semana será clave para saber si sigue en Hull, pasa a uno de los dos equipos señalados o al West Bromwich Albion (Premier), que ya preguntó por

He's basically saying that villa and Newcastle have "interesting projects and are working well". So doesn't seem to be ruling it out, but could obviously be keeping his options open. This one might run on a bit.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on August 26, 2016, 01:51:06 PM: Quote from: Matt Collins on August 26, 2016, 01:22:44 PM
This may have been posted as it isn't new. Purports to be an interview with Hernandez. Key points below

http://www.ovaciondigital.com.uy/futbol/joya-hernandez-inglaterra-hull-city.html

Por último, sobre la chance de pasar al Newcastle o Aston Villa, Abel dice que "son dos clubes que tienen proyectos interesantes y que están trabajando bien". Por eso, esta semana será clave para saber si sigue en Hull, pasa a uno de los dos equipos señalados o al West Bromwich Albion (Premier), que ya preguntó por

He's basically saying that villa and Newcastle have "interesting projects and are working well". So doesn't seem to be ruling it out, but could obviously be keeping his options open. This one might run on a bit.

Don't understand Spanish, but I'm guessing that as they are mentioned, Albion are also interested. Would be great to beat them to his signature and seeing as we are currently getting significantly bigger crowds than them, it would put pay to the 'who's bigger club nonsense' spouted on WM.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tuscans on August 26, 2016, 01:52:18 PM: Bennett off to Caerdydd on a free
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 26, 2016, 02:11:59 PM: is that abroad somewhere?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: AVH87 on August 26, 2016, 02:13:22 PM: Lescott, Richards and Gabby to leave.
A pacey CF and a creative midfielder/winger to come in and we are sorted.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 26, 2016, 02:55:33 PM: if that happens to top off everything else, it will have been a hugely productive summer
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: itbrvilla on August 26, 2016, 04:10:15 PM: Who are ST and AM Big Tone is Twittering about?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 26, 2016, 04:16:38 PM: Striker and Attacking Midfielder.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 26, 2016, 04:17:49 PM: Striker and attacking midfielder

No idea who. Imagine there are a few options

We're not being linked with too many attacking midfielders publicly? Except Morrison obviously . .
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: paul_e on August 26, 2016, 04:26:25 PM: I'm not really concerned by that because the links seem to have gone from almost nothing to us having a bid accepted very quickly for most of the signings. Chester and De Laet in particular seemed to be mentioed by fans as options but with no real links for weeks and then suddenly they were in press and within a day or 2 we had a medical booked in.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Richard E on August 26, 2016, 04:37:52 PM: Quote from: itbrvilla on August 26, 2016, 04:10:15 PM
Who are ST and AM Big Tone is Twittering about?

Shaun Teale and Alan McInally.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: john e on August 26, 2016, 04:44:26 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 26, 2016, 08:12:47 AM
Quote from: Dave on August 26, 2016, 07:25:42 AM
Quote from: thick_mike on August 26, 2016, 01:41:38 AM
Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 26, 2016, 01:35:59 AM
Quote from: thick_mike on August 26, 2016, 01:34:02 AM
Didn't Randy balk at employing Schteve McClaren because of negative fan feedback?

No, that was a bit of a myth.

Either way, I don't think the owner should be making football decisions. Though he might be using this direct communication as a bargaining ploy. Overinflated price for Valencia given by Gold...negative comments on Twitter from Dr X implying we ace no longer interested...more realistic price from Gold?

If it is part of negotiations, all well and good. If the owner is dictating transfer policy, then it's a bad sign.

Absolutely. If our transfers are going to be decided on the basis of some Twits sending messages to the owner and him watching the player once then that's pretty terrifying.

Agreed. We could be signing Messi and there would be someone complaining.

To lightweight for me and keeps the ball to long
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on August 26, 2016, 05:09:46 PM: And he allegedly ignores tax demands. We cant have that sort of person in our team.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: itbrvilla on August 26, 2016, 05:24:27 PM: Quote from: Richard E on August 26, 2016, 04:37:52 PM
Quote from: itbrvilla on August 26, 2016, 04:10:15 PM
Who are ST and AM Big Tone is Twittering about?

Shaun Teale and Alan McInally.
Look forward to it!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 26, 2016, 08:20:44 PM: im going to get my bet on villa to be promoted tomorrow

I can see Tony spending £20 million on one player - I can feel it ;)
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 26, 2016, 08:32:08 PM: It would be amazing to get in a brilliant £20m attacker (if worth the money). Can't really think who's realistic though.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 26, 2016, 08:36:44 PM: Quote from: Matt Collins on August 26, 2016, 08:32:08 PM
It would be amazing to get in a brilliant £20m attacker (if worth the money). Can't really think who's realistic though.

and a winger Matt

two players to come in
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 26, 2016, 09:11:44 PM: Okore's gone.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on August 26, 2016, 09:12:38 PM: Quote from: JUAN PABLO on August 26, 2016, 08:20:44 PM
im going to get my bet on villa to be promoted tomorrow

Mathematically impossible?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: saunders_heroes on August 26, 2016, 09:18:35 PM: Quote from: mr underhill on August 26, 2016, 09:11:44 PM
Okore's gone.

Good. Another one who won't be missed.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 26, 2016, 09:22:31 PM: Quote from: saunders_heroes on August 26, 2016, 09:18:35 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on August 26, 2016, 09:11:44 PM
Okore's gone.

Good. Another one who won't be missed.

Thought he had great potential, but has stagnated. Terrible attitude last season so good riddance.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Gareth on August 26, 2016, 09:37:16 PM: Loving the cull of the hopeless, gutless, weak cowards & frauds from last season....feels cathartic to be getting rid....a new era is beginning!

Keep the binning going Tony & Robbie!!!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ian. on August 26, 2016, 10:05:05 PM: Quote from: Richard E on August 26, 2016, 04:37:52 PM
Quote from: itbrvilla on August 26, 2016, 04:10:15 PM
Who are ST and AM Big Tone is Twittering about?

Shaun Teale and Alan McInally.
Well hard.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 27, 2016, 01:01:14 AM: It seems we have a winger/attacking midfielder all ready to sign according to Tony Xia.

Striker will be a loan if we can get him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 27, 2016, 01:16:56 AM: Not how I read it re the striker, I read it that loans are unpredictable, and attacking mid/ winger is close and we are working on the striker still.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: villan from luton on August 27, 2016, 01:50:35 AM: Okore is a headless chicken, prefer centre backs who are just that
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 27, 2016, 02:05:57 AM: Quote from: ozzjim on August 27, 2016, 01:16:56 AM
Not how I read it re the striker, I read it that loans are unpredictable, and attacking mid/ winger is close and we are working on the striker still.

I thought he was just pointing out how tricky loans can be vs buying. Everything going down to the wire etc.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 27, 2016, 02:12:57 AM: Quote from: ozzjim on August 27, 2016, 01:16:56 AM
Not how I read it re the striker, I read it that loans are unpredictable, and attacking mid/ winger is close and we are working on the striker still.

Yeah me too. Expecting more of a wide man based on that too - rather than a central attacking midfielder
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt C on August 27, 2016, 06:39:08 AM: Maybe he means three - striker, attacking midfielder and a further player on loan (defender?) possibly.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on August 27, 2016, 07:09:10 AM: Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on August 26, 2016, 09:22:31 PM
Quote from: saunders_heroes on August 26, 2016, 09:18:35 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on August 26, 2016, 09:11:44 PM
Okore's gone.

Good. Another one who won't be missed.

Thought he had great potential, but has stagnated. Terrible attitude last season so good riddance.

never looked anything more than bang average hence a cut price deal to denmark. the lumbering oaf
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 27, 2016, 07:13:39 AM: Quote from: Matt C on August 27, 2016, 06:39:08 AM
Maybe he means three - striker, attacking midfielder and a further player on loan (defender?) possibly.

That's how it reads to me.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: LukeJames on August 27, 2016, 07:13:56 AM: Aaaagh ashame this ome didn't work out, he had great potential but unfortunately thays as far as it went and he won't be missed.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 27, 2016, 07:41:39 AM: It does sound like the striker might be difficult to pull off. We must have a reserve option just to make up the numbers there. Most of the time we've not even had a forward on the bench and when we did it was kozak
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 27, 2016, 07:51:37 AM: I think we will see a striker come in. I have to say I would forget world class and go get Wells for 7 or 8million. He always looks like he's got goals in him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 27, 2016, 09:47:29 AM: Quote from: ozzjim on August 27, 2016, 07:51:37 AM
I think we will see a striker come in. I have to say I would forget world class and go get Wells for 7 or 8million. He always looks like he's got goals in him.

Definitely need a back up option if we don't get our first or second choice

He doesn't seem to be an automatic starter for Huddersfield - unless that's just temporary - so I would much much prefer Hernandez or similar

But we're well short of numbers in attack - he hasn't seen fit to put RHM on be bench yet, tho I wonder if he might today
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 27, 2016, 10:28:38 AM: Wells is certainly Huddersfield's number one striker.

They just rotate a lot because of Wagner's high pressing game. For example Hogg played well v us and then was on the bench for the next game they played.

I would be pretty happy with him...he has pace and mobility around him and always a danger when the ball's bobbling around the box. Reminds me of Defoe.

I can understand why some fans would be underwhelmed though after the world class comments. He does play internationals for Bermuda though!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: nigel on August 27, 2016, 11:02:46 AM: Quote from: mr underhill on August 26, 2016, 09:11:44 PM
Okore's gone.

Where to?

Edit: Derr, Looked on the Okore thread. FC Copenhagen.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: godzvilla on August 27, 2016, 11:26:04 AM: Quote from: Matt Collins on August 27, 2016, 07:41:39 AM
It does sound like the striker might be difficult to pull off. We must have a reserve option just to make up the numbers there. Most of the time we've not even had a forward on the bench and when we did it was kozak

Could it be Okaka ?.........................Godzvilla!

Report: Stefano Okaka clears Anderlecht locker, Aston Villa or Norwich transfer destination
Het Laatse Nieuws is reporting that the striker has cleared his possessions at the training complex in Neerpede – as it becomes clear he has no future at the Brussels club.
The report also mentions the two English clubs who are currently in the lead regarding the hunt for the player - Aston Villa and Norwich City.

Both clubs have been linked with a move for the player in recent weeks. Villa have made no secret of their attempts to sign another striker whilst Norwich are in the same boat.

Norwich however are on the brink of signing Nelson Oliveira – so a move for Okaka may seem odd.
Villa on the other hand have signed Ross McCormack this summer but want another goalscorer in the team.

Jordan Rhodes has been mentioned but Okaka would be a much cheaper option.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Mister E on August 27, 2016, 11:32:11 AM: Quote from: godzvilla on August 27, 2016, 11:26:04 AM
Quote from: Matt Collins on August 27, 2016, 07:41:39 AM
It does sound like the striker might be difficult to pull off. We must have a reserve option just to make up the numbers there. Most of the time we've not even had a forward on the bench and when we did it was kozak

Could it be Okaka ?.........................Godzvilla!

Report: Stefano Okaka clears Anderlecht locker, Aston Villa or Norwich transfer destination
Het Laatse Nieuws is reporting that the striker has cleared his possessions at the training complex in Neerpede – as it becomes clear he has no future at the Brussels club.
The report also mentions the two English clubs who are currently in the lead regarding the hunt for the player - Aston Villa and Norwich City.

Both clubs have been linked with a move for the player in recent weeks. Villa have made no secret of their attempts to sign another striker whilst Norwich are in the same boat.

Norwich however are on the brink of signing Nelson Oliveira – so a move for Okaka may seem odd.
Villa on the other hand have signed Ross McCormack this summer but want another goalscorer in the team.

Jordan Rhodes has been mentioned but Okaka would be a much cheaper option.

Okaka looks like Eddie Murphy.
Reasonable record but not earth-shattering. Probably work well in the C'ship.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 27, 2016, 11:36:54 AM: well Tone did say it would likely conclude by Sunday night so who knows - if it happens, this was plan B or C I'd have thought
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Small Rodent on August 27, 2016, 12:30:00 PM: I used to buy a teenage Okaka playing Football Manager way back! From Roma I think.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: johnny from donny on August 27, 2016, 12:30:34 PM: Agent Dave (yes I know) says we're after Marcus Rashford on loan.

Got to say I think this one's BS because:

A, I think he'll get game time at Manchester United

B, if he did go on loan, it would be to a lower/mid table premier league club where he could score against Man Utd's rivals whilst not being able to play against his parent club. In effect still working to the advantage of Manchester United. If this were the case, does anyone think his destination may be Hull (playing each other today btw so Rashford is in Hull if they want talks) freeing up Hernandez to come to us? Or am I being too optimistic>
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: johnny from donny on August 27, 2016, 12:31:58 PM: Quote from: Small Rodent on August 27, 2016, 12:30:00 PM
I used to buy a teenage Okaka playing Football Manager way back! From Roma I think.

Was he any good for you?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 27, 2016, 01:00:55 PM: 10m on him though could be spent on a more certain thing like Kodjia or Wells. Shame Dembele went to Celtic as he and McCormack were great together.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 27, 2016, 01:05:58 PM: Really the attacking mid, has the Liverpool guy we were linked with moved yet?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Small Rodent on August 27, 2016, 01:08:39 PM: Quote from: johnny from donny on August 27, 2016, 12:31:58 PM
Quote from: Small Rodent on August 27, 2016, 12:30:00 PM
I used to buy a teenage Okaka playing Football Manager way back! From Roma I think.

Was he any good for you?

10 years of self-abuse has left a haze in my memory.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on August 27, 2016, 01:51:16 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on August 27, 2016, 01:05:58 PM
Really the attacking mid, has the Liverpool guy we were linked with moved yet?

Club in Turkey interested, so I read yesterday. Not moved yet though.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Stirchley Villain on August 27, 2016, 02:05:01 PM: Kodija joining Derby. We can cross him off the list.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villafirst on August 27, 2016, 02:40:29 PM: Quote from: Stirchley Villain on August 27, 2016, 02:05:01 PM
Kodija joining Derby. We can cross him off the list.

Surely we can outbid Derby for Kodija?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: CJ on August 27, 2016, 02:46:49 PM: Think Derby have agreed a deal worth up to £14m which seems a bit OTT for a Championship player - don't know much about him though tbh and if he gets them to the PL and delivers there as well it might become a bargain in retrospect. Bit of a risk though
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 27, 2016, 03:24:40 PM: They are buying Vydra too aren't they, so going in big for it again.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: wozwebs on August 27, 2016, 03:42:06 PM: Okore officially gone to Copenhagen
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: GarTomas on August 27, 2016, 03:47:16 PM: Free with a sell on clause? Could be a player in there but his 3 years here have been horrific.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Lyewho??? on August 27, 2016, 03:52:33 PM: Hernandez, and Gnarby(loan) is what i would like to see. To add to this I wouldn't mind seeing any of the following added to the squad to give us depth for the season, as i look at today's bench against Bristol City and its not that exciting IMO.

Will Hughes
Tom Ince
Jonny Russell
(I really rate some of the Derby players and feel that we could take advantage of there poor start, this way they are potentially weaker for the season).
Robbie Brady
Jonathan Kodjia
Nahki Wells
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 27, 2016, 03:54:17 PM: Hernandez and Gnarby would be brilliant. I think our ability to miss makes signing a striker that actually scores a real must!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 27, 2016, 03:58:58 PM: Newcastle close to signing Alan Judge and Darryl Murphy? They are going to have a hell of a team too, but don't think they have as solid a side as we do.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Small Rodent on August 27, 2016, 04:26:17 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on August 27, 2016, 03:58:58 PM
Newcastle close to signing Alan Judge and Darryl Murphy? They are going to have a hell of a team too, but don't think they have as solid a side as we do.

Yes, I bet they'd love to be as solid as us against Bristol City.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: CJ on August 27, 2016, 04:30:50 PM: I'm really not convinced by Gollini. Wonder what the chances of getting Hart on loan would be (Citeh prepared to pay most of wages when he goes on loan apparently)
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ger Regan on August 27, 2016, 04:33:32 PM: Absolutely none whatsoever.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 27, 2016, 04:35:50 PM: Quote from: Small Rodent on August 27, 2016, 04:26:17 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 27, 2016, 03:58:58 PM
Newcastle close to signing Alan Judge and Darryl Murphy? They are going to have a hell of a team too, but don't think they have as solid a side as we do.

Yes, I bet they'd love to be as solid as us against Bristol City.

What twat said we were solid. Knob head he must be.

Go sign a keeper. Gollini has potential but we need reliable.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oldham_villa on August 27, 2016, 04:39:59 PM: Quote from: CJ on August 27, 2016, 04:30:50 PM
I'm really not convinced by Gollini. Wonder what the chances of getting Hart on loan would be (Citeh prepared to pay most of wages when he goes on loan apparently)

I'd say minimal - he will have a bunch of teams above us
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 27, 2016, 04:49:49 PM: After today I can see all our 'world class' targets reversing at speed out of the Bodymoor Heath car park.

Best start looking in the lower leagues.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KevinGage on August 27, 2016, 04:59:34 PM: A keeper. For the love of god, a keeper.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 27, 2016, 05:02:27 PM: I got lambasted for saying we still need six players the other day - well, nothing has changed my mind.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: curiousorange on August 27, 2016, 05:05:26 PM: I wouldn't mind if we had the laziest, thick-as-pigshit striker next to McCormack, as long as he knows where the net is. If we can find one who we can trade for Ayew, all the better.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 27, 2016, 05:16:13 PM: Albert Adomah linked now
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 27, 2016, 05:18:24 PM: wasn't Ross Mac supposed to be our goal scoring saviour?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 27, 2016, 05:19:18 PM: We better have a busy few days in store. Same old shit. We need a new version of Darren bent to stick chances away, le sulk can fuck off to west game if this is what the next 6 months holds, a wide player, a midfielder and a backup centre half.
Today has been a massive wake up call. I think there is way more chance of RDM being sacked by Xmas than there is of us getting promoted at the moment. 5/15, 1 win, can't dress this up. Especially how we have spent the 2nd most in the league
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: curiousorange on August 27, 2016, 05:20:46 PM: How can a team who have created about sixty chances in five league games only have five points? It boggles the mind.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on August 27, 2016, 05:22:02 PM: We need five at least to have any hope of promotion.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: saunders_heroes on August 27, 2016, 05:26:43 PM: Quote from: Ads on August 27, 2016, 05:22:02 PM
We need five at least to have any hope of promotion.

That's what I think too. We just haven't got strength in depth, and the bench is a joke.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on August 27, 2016, 05:29:00 PM: I couldn't believe he brought Kozak on. He makes a corpse look dynamic.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: nigel on August 27, 2016, 05:30:16 PM: Quote from: KevinGage on August 27, 2016, 04:59:34 PM
A keeper. For the love of god, a keeper.

Was Gollini at fault for their goals today?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: saunders_heroes on August 27, 2016, 05:31:23 PM: I'm surprised he got a run out after last week he was that bad then. Again, the squad is so powderpuff we have to rely on players who're completely out of their depth.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: curiousorange on August 27, 2016, 05:34:39 PM: I remember when Kozak signed, Paul Lambert said they'd chased him for months. How fucking slow was that pursuit?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: saunders_heroes on August 27, 2016, 05:38:12 PM: Quote from: curiousorange on August 27, 2016, 05:34:39 PM
I remember when Kozak signed, Paul Lambert said they'd chased him for months. How fucking slow was that pursuit?

A sloth chasing a tortoise.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villafirst on August 27, 2016, 05:45:56 PM: I was fairly encouraged by the Derby game last week. We looked solid at the back. What on earth happened in the last 30 minutes? A worrying trend similar to the Huddersfield game. Now got 2 weeks to sort this out. Hopefully at least 2 more signings by deadline on Wednesday. Need 4 points minimum from the next 2 games at home.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on August 27, 2016, 06:03:39 PM: Quote from: Villafirst on August 27, 2016, 05:45:56 PM
I was fairly encouraged by the Derby game last week. We looked solid at the back. What on earth happened in the last 30 minutes? A worrying trend similar to the Huddersfield game. Now got 2 weeks to sort this out. Hopefully at least 2 more signings by deadline on Wednesday. Need 4 points minimum from the next 2 games at home.

6 points minimum

to have any chance of going up we need to start putting together runs of 4 or 5 wins on the bounce

whilst derby may have looked encouraging burton did them last night

as ads has said teams are sussing how we tick and step it up second half but soon it will be straight from the kick off
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 27, 2016, 06:13:52 PM: we have won 1 in 18, when was the last time we put anything other than a losing run together?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 27, 2016, 07:07:38 PM: We need 10 from the next 5 to get into the top half. Then a run of 23/24 from the next 30 to be in top 2 contention. Essentially 2 points a game is promotion form. 9 from the next 3 gets us back up there but today was a huge blow.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tuscans on August 27, 2016, 07:17:17 PM: Being tweeted about, Albert Adomah from Boro.

http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2016/08/27/aston-villa-make-move-for-albert-adomah/
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 27, 2016, 08:17:19 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on August 27, 2016, 07:07:38 PM
We need 10 from the next 5 to get into the top half. Then a run of 23/24 from the next 30 to be in top 2 contention. Essentially 2 points a game is promotion form. 9 from the next 3 gets us back up there but today was a huge blow.

Agreed the next 14 days gives us the chance to get in some pace, creativity and finishing ability. RDM then needs to spend the time, with those not on international duty, getting some steel and character into the squad. We are wilting far too often in second halves of games.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: curiousorange on August 27, 2016, 08:26:40 PM: The key for me, particularly in midfield, is for Jedinak to be given complete responsibility for its organisation. If it was left to Westwood, which it seems to be at the moment, we'll be forever soft touches.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Damo70 on August 27, 2016, 08:36:13 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 27, 2016, 08:17:19 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 27, 2016, 07:07:38 PM
We need 10 from the next 5 to get into the top half. Then a run of 23/24 from the next 30 to be in top 2 contention. Essentially 2 points a game is promotion form. 9 from the next 3 gets us back up there but today was a huge blow.

Agreed the next 14 days gives us the chance to get in some pace, creativity and finishing ability. RDM then needs to spend the time, with those not on international duty, getting some steel and character into the squad. We are wilting far too often in second halves of games.

Trouble is I'm not sure how you can coach steel and character.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 27, 2016, 08:38:03 PM: Well supposedly Elphick, Jedi and McCormack have it. So it's time they started disseminating it to the rest of the squad.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: old man villa fan on August 27, 2016, 08:42:35 PM: Quote from: curiousorange on August 27, 2016, 08:26:40 PM
The key for me, particularly in midfield, is for Jedinak to be given complete responsibility for its organisation. If it was left to Westwood, which it seems to be at the moment, we'll be forever soft touches.

A midfield with Bacuna, Westwood and Grealish being 3 of the 4 is too light physically and mentally when the going gets tough.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brontebilly on August 27, 2016, 08:43:10 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on August 27, 2016, 03:58:58 PM
Newcastle close to signing Alan Judge and Darryl Murphy? They are going to have a hell of a team too, but don't think they have as solid a side as we do.

They are both very very average players
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 27, 2016, 08:46:59 PM: Adomah would be a great signing for us....pacey, unpredictable and can actually get on the pitch unlike Adama.

Surprised Boro don't think he's good enough for the premier league.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Damo70 on August 27, 2016, 08:59:22 PM: Don't know too much about Judge but I agree that Murphy is average and that Adomah would be a very good signing.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: LukeJames on August 27, 2016, 09:14:09 PM: Quote from: brontebilly on August 27, 2016, 08:43:10 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 27, 2016, 03:58:58 PM
Newcastle close to signing Alan Judge and Darryl Murphy? They are going to have a hell of a team too, but don't think they have as solid a side as we do.

They are both very very average players

Daryl Murphy is fucking shit.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: johnny from donny on August 27, 2016, 09:26:09 PM: Quote from: LukeJames on August 27, 2016, 09:14:09 PM

Daryl Murphy is fucking shit.

Okay ,a bit strange, but we don't need to know about his personal life.

Oh you were talking about his ability, yes you're right.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Damo70 on August 27, 2016, 09:59:56 PM: Quote from: johnny from donny on August 27, 2016, 09:26:09 PM
Quote from: LukeJames on August 27, 2016, 09:14:09 PM

Daryl Murphy is fucking shit.

Okay ,a bit strange, but we don't need to know about his personal life.

Oh you were talking about his ability, yes you're right.

Just show how much football is about opinions. I went long with the opinion of brontebilly and agreed he was average. You two both think he is shit. Chris Iwelumo on The Championship has just called him "a fantastic player"!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: LukeJames on August 27, 2016, 10:03:31 PM: Chris Iwelumo is shit aswell to be fair.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Damo70 on August 27, 2016, 10:06:43 PM: Quote from: LukeJames on August 27, 2016, 10:03:31 PM
Chris Iwelumo is shit aswell to be fair.

That did cross my mind when he said it.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Fred Crump on August 27, 2016, 10:14:58 PM: Quote from: brontebilly on August 27, 2016, 08:43:10 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 27, 2016, 03:58:58 PM
Newcastle close to signing Alan Judge and Darryl Murphy? They are going to have a hell of a team too, but don't think they have as solid a side as we do.

They are both very very average players
Alan Judge was getting rave reviews last season until he had a very nasty leg break. Would he offer the midfield creative passing that we badly need in midfield ( if fully recovered ) ?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 27, 2016, 10:42:20 PM: BOSS OF GOSS Aston Villa line up £20m Championship record bid for Hull’s Abel Hernandez to save their season
Villa’s new Chinese rulers want the Uruguayan hitman, 26, and tabled a massive package to tempt the Tigers

BY ALAN NIXON
27th August 2016, 10:31 pm

ASTON VILLA are offering a huge Championship-record £20million for Hull striker Abel Hernandez.

Villa’s new Chinese rulers want the Uruguayan hitman, 26, and tabled a massive package to tempt the Tigers.

Abel Hernandez
REUTERS
Abe; Hernandez played against Manchester United on Saturday night byt could not score in the defeat
Abel Hernandez
GETTY IMAGES
Abel Hernandez is a £20m target for Aston Villa
The bid is £14m up front with £3m on Villa achievements and £3m for goals and appearances.

More surprising is Hull have not snapped their hands off — though they are preparing to spend, which does point to a sale.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: thick_mike on August 27, 2016, 10:47:53 PM: "Villa's new Chinese rulers"!

Jeez, didn't realise Dr X had declared Martial Law!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 27, 2016, 10:50:04 PM: I hope that Hernandez story is true as I'm coming to the conclusion we're going to need a Premier League side to get promoted this season.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on August 27, 2016, 10:50:57 PM: We need a striker. It's not my money. Spend it.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 27, 2016, 10:59:49 PM: There's reports now that Hull are about to sign Kodija so hopefully this could pave the way.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: DaveD on August 27, 2016, 11:03:30 PM: Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on August 27, 2016, 10:42:20 PM
BOSS OF GOSS Aston Villa line up £20m Championship record bid for Hull’s Abel Hernandez to save their season
Villa’s new Chinese rulers want the Uruguayan hitman, 26, and tabled a massive package to tempt the Tigers

BY ALAN NIXON
27th August 2016, 10:31 pm

ASTON VILLA are offering a huge Championship-record £20million for Hull striker Abel Hernandez.

Villa’s new Chinese rulers want the Uruguayan hitman, 26, and tabled a massive package to tempt the Tigers.

Abel Hernandez
REUTERS
Abe; Hernandez played against Manchester United on Saturday night byt could not score in the defeat
Abel Hernandez
GETTY IMAGES
Abel Hernandez is a £20m target for Aston Villa
The bid is £14m up front with £3m on Villa achievements and £3m for goals and appearances.

More surprising is Hull have not snapped their hands off — though they are preparing to spend, which does point to a sale.

If I can get another volunteer, I'd be willing to personally transport him back in a sedan chair. At last we'd be heading *from* Hull in a handcart.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: andyh on August 27, 2016, 11:11:44 PM: Nothing at all against Hernandez, BUT, if the club is willing and able (pardon the pun) to spend £20m on a player, isn't there a £20m player out there who could guarantee 25 goals?
It seems an awful a lot of money for a striker who is not exactly a household name.

Will Hernandez guarantee what we need and what that sort of fee will demand?.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ROBBO on August 27, 2016, 11:16:42 PM: One good thing about this season is I don't get chance to watch many games, yes we need a good target man but until they do something about the piss weak midfield we will not improve.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: OCD on August 27, 2016, 11:33:23 PM: If we do get Hernandez and Hull go and get Kodija from under Derby's noses, we've strengthened ourselves and possibly inadvertently weakened a fellow promotion candidate.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 27, 2016, 11:33:48 PM: Quote from: andyh on August 27, 2016, 11:11:44 PM
Nothing at all against Hernandez, BUT, if the club is willing and able (pardon the pun) to spend £20m on a player, isn't there a £20m player out there who could guarantee 25 goals?
It seems an awful a lot of money for a striker who is not exactly a household name.

Will Hernandez guarantee what we need and what that sort of fee will demand?.

Well he scored 20+ goals in the Championship didn't he?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on August 28, 2016, 12:00:12 AM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 27, 2016, 11:33:48 PM
Quote from: andyh on August 27, 2016, 11:11:44 PM
Nothing at all against Hernandez, BUT, if the club is willing and able (pardon the pun) to spend £20m on a player, isn't there a £20m player out there who could guarantee 25 goals?
It seems an awful a lot of money for a striker who is not exactly a household name.

Will Hernandez guarantee what we need and what that sort of fee will demand?.

Well he scored 20+ goals in the Championship didn't he?

so did justhead
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 28, 2016, 12:21:40 AM: Quote from: ROBBO on August 27, 2016, 11:16:42 PM
One good thing about this season is I don't get chance to watch many games, yes we need a good target man but until they do something about the piss weak midfield we will not improve.

Agree, Robbo, the midfield should be our focus unless we go all MON and just hoof it over them but as we know, that will only take you so far - back to the 1970s.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 28, 2016, 12:23:43 AM: Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on August 28, 2016, 12:21:40 AM
Quote from: ROBBO on August 27, 2016, 11:16:42 PM
One good thing about this season is I don't get chance to watch many games, yes we need a good target man but until they do something about the piss weak midfield we will not improve.

Agree, Robbo, the midfield should be our focus unless we go all MON and just hoof it over them but as we know, that will only take you so far - back to the 1970s.

Well yeah isn't that what they're trying to do by signing Jedi, Tsih and hopefully a creative player?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: saunders_heroes on August 28, 2016, 12:32:00 AM: Xia tweeting that an announcement on Hernandez will be made tomorrow.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Monty on August 28, 2016, 12:34:20 AM: On Hernandez: "It's real. We kept trying whole summer but still didn't work. We're going2other option and expect announce tomorrow"
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 28, 2016, 12:36:50 AM: Sounds like it's not him then?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: saunders_heroes on August 28, 2016, 12:37:07 AM: Quote from: Monty on August 28, 2016, 12:34:20 AM
On Hernandez: "It's real. We kept trying whole summer but still didn't work. We're going2other option and expect announce tomorrow"

It's confusing, is he saying we're signing him for £20m or we've given up and looking elsewhere? It's hard to understand him sometimes.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Monty on August 28, 2016, 12:46:47 AM: I think out means we're making some announcement tomorrow about a forward who isn't Hernandez.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on August 28, 2016, 12:51:02 AM: Probably that bloke who was shite at Fulham and seems to average three goals a season in Italy.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: wittonwarrior on August 28, 2016, 12:59:22 AM: To be honest so much rubbish out there waiting to be bought and for inflated prices. We need a top class poacher who can hold the ball up for Ross. Mind you if like with Ross you don't give him the ball may as well play me.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 28, 2016, 01:01:39 AM: In fairness the signings we've made have been pretty good quality.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: wittonwarrior on August 28, 2016, 01:12:00 AM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 28, 2016, 01:01:39 AM
In fairness the signings we've made have been pretty good quality.

110% agree it will take time though. Promotion this season no in my eyes.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 28, 2016, 01:13:19 AM: Truth is a number 9 in the first 5 games and we are sitting on 10 points tonight. Missing chances has been our biggest issue. Obviously with Tony's latest Hernandez is not happening which is a shame, I just hope they have something better than Okaka or the Boro lad, or indeed that we don't panic buy Rhodes.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: olaftab on August 28, 2016, 01:17:02 AM: Quote from: Tuscans on August 27, 2016, 07:17:17 PM
Being tweeted about, Albert Adomah from Boro.

http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2016/08/27/aston-villa-make-move-for-albert-adomah/
I suggest a straight swap for Premier League "ready" Ayew.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 28, 2016, 01:26:17 AM: They can give us him and Rhodes for Ayew. That might work. Then we are not paying silly money for Rhodes and it is not such a gamble.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: robbo1874 on August 28, 2016, 03:50:19 AM: I have to say that the GK spot still has me worried. I've been saying since the window opened that we needed a top class keeper to provide solidity at the back. We signed Gollini, who is never heard of, but was willing to give a chance. Early signs not looking at all good. If I was RDM I'd be a bit worried that this position still looks to be weak and tempted to bring in another keeper.

It's a pisser because it might prevent bringing in another solid midfielder, assuming priority is bringing in another striker, as seems to be the case. You can't piss about at the back though, we have to have a solid keeper. If it means sacrifices elsewhere in the side in terms of making new signings, then just get it done.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on August 28, 2016, 03:52:37 AM: Ayew didn't even celebrate our goal. I can't stand his attitude. Can be a good player but silks his way through games and is greedy. His attitude is part of last season's problem. Right now, if we could swap him for someone really useful, I'd do the deal. I hope, over the course of the season, he really proves me wrong.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 28, 2016, 05:22:16 AM: Attitudinally, he's up there with our other head beard cnuts.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 28, 2016, 08:09:32 AM: having watching the obligatory youtube of Okaka if the price is decent he looks the type that could do very well in the championship. watching Ayew finish is painful, I think having him come from wide is the right strategy although I would not be shocked to see 2 strikers and a winger arrive and Ayew leave. I also think when Lyden is fully fit and Tshibola is back out midfield options from the bench will be decent. I do think we need to go 3 in the centre and 1 up front in the last half hour to shore it up.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Seb_AVFC on August 28, 2016, 09:25:56 AM: Okaka turned a 15m euro move to China down earlier this Summer. Got back to Anderlecht overweight and is training with their reserve squad. More or less a cheaper Balotelli.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: levico on August 28, 2016, 09:30:47 AM: Quote from: robbo1874 on August 28, 2016, 03:50:19 AM
I have to say that the GK spot still has me worried. I've been saying since the window opened that we needed a top class keeper to provide solidity at the back. We signed Gollini, who is never heard of, but was willing to give a chance. Early signs not looking at all good. If I was RDM I'd be a bit worried that this position still looks to be weak and tempted to bring in another keeper.

It's a pisser because it might prevent bringing in another solid midfielder, assuming priority is bringing in another striker, as seems to be the case. You can't piss about at the back though, we have to have a solid keeper. If it means sacrifices elsewhere in the side in terms of making new signings, then just get it done.

Good post. The elephant in the room IMHO.

Yesterday was a classic example. Soft keeping and our entire defence virtually surrendered.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on August 28, 2016, 09:40:35 AM: The first goal can happen to anybody. It's the keepers error but we're far too slow to react. The real kick in the teeth is the second.

Some clogged strolls through our midfield and defence with nobody thinking of getting near him. But the heads had already dropped.

We've created more chances than any other team in the league. What's remarkable is that these all seem to be in the first half. Unless we go in two to the good a point seems the best we can hope for.

That needs to be rectified quickly. The money we have spent is astronomical compared to everybody else and this side ought to be competing at the top.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 28, 2016, 09:46:14 AM: Quote from: Monty on August 28, 2016, 12:34:20 AM
On Hernandez: "It's real. We kept trying whole summer but still didn't work. We're going2other option and expect announce tomorrow"

;)
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 28, 2016, 10:28:07 AM: Quote from: JUAN PABLO on August 28, 2016, 09:46:14 AM
Quote from: Monty on August 28, 2016, 12:34:20 AM
On Hernandez: "It's real. We kept trying whole summer but still didn't work. We're going2other option and expect announce tomorrow"

;)

What do you know JP?

Any chance of a pm?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: auntiesledd on August 28, 2016, 10:54:05 AM: Quote from: JUAN PABLO on August 28, 2016, 09:46:14 AM
Quote from: Monty on August 28, 2016, 12:34:20 AM
On Hernandez: "It's real. We kept trying whole summer but still didn't work. We're going2other option and expect announce tomorrow"

;)

Come on JP, don't leave us in suspenders: spill dem beanz!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dazvillain on August 28, 2016, 11:02:31 AM: Breaking news.... Hammers just confirmed signing of striker zaza..... Does this start a couple of other striker off loads including us buying ?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Brian Taylor on August 28, 2016, 11:14:44 AM: Papers say we have Hernandez for £20m. £14 upfront and £3 for achievements + £3 for goals. Awaiting Xia's confirmation
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 28, 2016, 11:21:22 AM: Quote from: Brian Taylor on August 28, 2016, 11:14:44 AM
Papers say we have Hernandez for £20m. £14 upfront and £3 for achievements + £3 for goals. Awaiting Xia's confirmation
Not Hernandez according to the Dr
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 28, 2016, 11:21:59 AM: Quote from: auntiesledd on August 28, 2016, 10:54:05 AM
Quote from: JUAN PABLO on August 28, 2016, 09:46:14 AM
Quote from: Monty on August 28, 2016, 12:34:20 AM
On Hernandez: "It's real. We kept trying whole summer but still didn't work. We're going2other option and expect announce tomorrow"

;)

Come on JP, don't leave us in suspenders: spill dem beanz!

I did friday but only Monty likes me ;)
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brontebilly on August 28, 2016, 11:23:57 AM: Quote from: Fred Crump on August 27, 2016, 10:14:58 PM
Quote from: brontebilly on August 27, 2016, 08:43:10 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 27, 2016, 03:58:58 PM
Newcastle close to signing Alan Judge and Darryl Murphy? They are going to have a hell of a team too, but don't think they have as solid a side as we do.

They are both very very average players
Alan Judge was getting rave reviews last season until he had a very nasty leg break. Would he offer the midfield creative passing that we badly need in midfield ( if fully recovered ) ?

No he wouldn't is the short answer. A bit of a second division journeyman who thrived well when moved off the wing to a central free role last term. He will hardly have improved after that shocking injury.

Murphy is the same, second division journeyman but only one of those seasons he stood out as above average. Big, slow and very limited, hasn't scored for Ireland yet in what must be about 25 caps.

Two squad filler signings for Newcastle.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: saunders_heroes on August 28, 2016, 11:24:53 AM: Quote from: VinnieChase84 on August 28, 2016, 11:21:22 AM
Quote from: Brian Taylor on August 28, 2016, 11:14:44 AM
Papers say we have Hernandez for £20m. £14 upfront and £3 for achievements + £3 for goals. Awaiting Xia's confirmation
Not Hernandez according to the Dr

You basing that on what he said last night? It could be taken both ways because his English isn't the best. I think he meant we are signing Hernandez, but at an inflated price.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 28, 2016, 11:26:47 AM: Quote from: saunders_heroes on August 28, 2016, 11:24:53 AM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on August 28, 2016, 11:21:22 AM
Quote from: Brian Taylor on August 28, 2016, 11:14:44 AM
Papers say we have Hernandez for £20m. £14 upfront and £3 for achievements + £3 for goals. Awaiting Xia's confirmation
Not Hernandez according to the Dr

You basing that on what he said last night? It could be taken both ways because his English isn't the best. I think he meant we are signing Hernandez, but at an inflated price.

yep
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: auntiesledd on August 28, 2016, 11:36:24 AM: Quote from: saunders_heroes on August 28, 2016, 11:24:53 AM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on August 28, 2016, 11:21:22 AM
Quote from: Brian Taylor on August 28, 2016, 11:14:44 AM
Papers say we have Hernandez for £20m. £14 upfront and £3 for achievements + £3 for goals. Awaiting Xia's confirmation
Not Hernandez according to the Dr

You basing that on what he said last night? It could be taken both ways because his English isn't the best. I think he meant we are signing Hernandez, but at an inflated price.

That's the way I saw it too. I'm sure Mr T will let us know before the ink is dry though, so at least that might be something to lift our collective spirits.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on August 28, 2016, 11:45:10 AM: I think it's Kodjia. I interpreted Tony's tweet to mean we've switched targets. We obviously know what price will buy the second choice target.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on August 28, 2016, 11:52:19 AM: I think it's Kodjia too.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KRS on August 28, 2016, 11:56:34 AM: If we'd signed a striker who can actually put the ball in the back of the net then we'd have comfortably beat Wednesday, Derby, Huddersfield and Bristol...instead of 10pts from those games we have 2pts and that simply isn't good enough or acceptable given that we have dominated so much in each of these games. It's fine margins and the right striker will be the missing piece to the jigsaw...even though we still need at least one more midfielder (preferably two).
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: berneboy on August 28, 2016, 11:57:39 AM: Quote from: saunders_heroes on August 28, 2016, 11:24:53 AM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on August 28, 2016, 11:21:22 AM
Quote from: Brian Taylor on August 28, 2016, 11:14:44 AM
Papers say we have Hernandez for £20m. £14 upfront and £3 for achievements + £3 for goals. Awaiting Xia's confirmation
Not Hernandez according to the Dr

You basing that on what he said last night? It could be taken both ways because his English isn't the best. I think he meant we are signing Hernandez, but at an inflated price.

'We're going2other option' must mean going to another option surely?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dazvillain on August 28, 2016, 11:59:14 AM: Can't remember exact quote but who is supposed to have been the international , dynamic goal scoring record forward that Dr mentioned recently, I can't see any recent speculation fitting the bill.......or what we actually require ?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 28, 2016, 12:11:08 PM: I thought Kodjia had joined Derby, then Hull yesterday?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: auntiesledd on August 28, 2016, 12:24:22 PM: Quote from: mr underhill on August 28, 2016, 12:11:08 PM
I thought Kodjia had joined Derby, then Hull yesterday?

Blimey. His agent must be laughing all the way to the bank with 2 moves in one day!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: john e on August 28, 2016, 12:28:32 PM: Quote from: auntiesledd on August 28, 2016, 12:24:22 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on August 28, 2016, 12:11:08 PM
I thought Kodjia had joined Derby, then Hull yesterday?

Blimey. His agent must be laughing all the way to the bank with 2 moves in one day!

Playing for two clubs at the same time is multi tasking at its best
not even a woman could do that
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 28, 2016, 12:43:06 PM: I think it might be kodjia

There must be a risk of a massive over spend here. He's only had one good season and probably isn't even the best striker at Bristol city
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 28, 2016, 12:47:14 PM: We missed a trick not getting Abraham from Chelsea clearly on loan. I would like to see a couple of loan signings this week in attacking positions. I would also go back for a keeper
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: themossman on August 28, 2016, 12:50:48 PM: I guess everyone knows we're desperate for a no. 9 now and the clocks ticking, so we're going to get our pants pulled down by somebody.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: OCD on August 28, 2016, 01:00:25 PM: Interesting that Adomah isn't in the Boro squad.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: auntiesledd on August 28, 2016, 01:01:16 PM: Quote from: john e on August 28, 2016, 12:28:32 PM
Quote from: auntiesledd on August 28, 2016, 12:24:22 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on August 28, 2016, 12:11:08 PM
I thought Kodjia had joined Derby, then Hull yesterday?

Blimey. His agent must be laughing all the way to the bank with 2 moves in one day!

Playing for two clubs at the same time is multi tasking at its best
not even a woman could do that

Sexist! >:(
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 28, 2016, 01:03:21 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on August 28, 2016, 12:47:14 PM
We missed a trick not getting Abraham from Chelsea clearly on loan. I would like to see a couple of loan signings this week in attacking positions. I would also go back for a keeper

I'd be up for a loan for this reason. Don't know who really but Chelsea normally have about 30 players they loan out
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oldham_villa on August 28, 2016, 01:04:52 PM: I'd love to see James Wilson from Man United, on loan
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: auntiesledd on August 28, 2016, 01:11:39 PM: Quote from: LukeJames on August 27, 2016, 09:14:09 PM
Quote from: brontebilly on August 27, 2016, 08:43:10 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 27, 2016, 03:58:58 PM
Newcastle close to signing Alan Judge and Darryl Murphy? They are going to have a hell of a team too, but don't think they have as solid a side as we do.

They are both very very average players

Daryl Murphy is fucking shit.

I'm surprised he didn't come to VP last season then! Anyway, he's just signed for the Geordies (so I expect him to look like a class act & bargain of the season).
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Damo70 on August 28, 2016, 01:18:30 PM: I would be far happier if we could bring another keeper in on loan. Even if it is 'only' Joe Hart.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: pbavfckuwait on August 28, 2016, 01:19:18 PM: I would settle for Tony Hart
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: JJ-AV on August 28, 2016, 01:31:21 PM: If we've got this money that's being talked about for a forward we should get Rhodes. £15m or so would get him, I reckon. He's barely getting a look in.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 28, 2016, 01:32:58 PM: Quote from: oldham_villa on August 28, 2016, 01:04:52 PM
I'd love to see James Wilson from Man United, on loan

You have your wish.

As long as you don't mind who to.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 28, 2016, 01:33:02 PM: Quote from: pbavfckuwait on August 28, 2016, 01:19:18 PM
I would settle for Tony Hart

Maybe if we sign Tony Hart he could Morph into Joe Hart
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 28, 2016, 01:34:03 PM: Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 28, 2016, 01:33:02 PM
Quote from: pbavfckuwait on August 28, 2016, 01:19:18 PM
I would settle for Tony Hart

Maybe if we sign Tony Hart he could Morph into Joe Hart

He could turn some of these defeats into draws.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 28, 2016, 01:38:05 PM: Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 28, 2016, 01:34:03 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 28, 2016, 01:33:02 PM
Quote from: pbavfckuwait on August 28, 2016, 01:19:18 PM
I would settle for Tony Hart

Maybe if we sign Tony Hart he could Morph into Joe Hart

He could turn some of these defeats into draws.

He could help mould us into a better football team
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: spangley1812 on August 28, 2016, 01:39:08 PM: Quote from: oldham_villa on August 28, 2016, 01:04:52 PM
I'd love to see James Wilson from Man United, on loan

He joined Direby on loan last week and it looks like Bamford is off to Burnley
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: LeeB on August 28, 2016, 01:47:14 PM: Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 28, 2016, 01:38:05 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 28, 2016, 01:34:03 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 28, 2016, 01:33:02 PM
Quote from: pbavfckuwait on August 28, 2016, 01:19:18 PM
I would settle for Tony Hart

Maybe if we sign Tony Hart he could Morph into Joe Hart

He could turn some of these defeats into draws.

He could help mould us into a better football team

Not for me, he plays to the gallery
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on August 28, 2016, 01:49:48 PM: Quote from: pbavfckuwait on August 28, 2016, 01:19:18 PM
I would settle for Tony Hart

id settle for max out of hart to hart although he would be moirdur
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 28, 2016, 02:00:51 PM: Quote from: LeeB on August 28, 2016, 01:47:14 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 28, 2016, 01:38:05 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 28, 2016, 01:34:03 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 28, 2016, 01:33:02 PM
Quote from: pbavfckuwait on August 28, 2016, 01:19:18 PM
I would settle for Tony Hart

Maybe if we sign Tony Hart he could Morph into Joe Hart

He could turn some of these defeats into draws.

He could help mould us into a better football team

Not for me, he plays to the gallery

Now we've moved Mr Bennett on, he'll have to change.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Damo70 on August 28, 2016, 02:05:30 PM: If I remember right there was a big plasticine one called Gillespie and a tinfoil girl (Polly?). The former could be our new striker and the latter could replace Westwood.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 28, 2016, 02:06:58 PM: boro fan about Albert

For me it is a no brainer to get rid of AA. Well in some games he has a bit of magic, but more odten he loses the ball way to much and if we didn't have great defenders, he would have cost us a lot of goals. He is arguably an ok championship player at best.
If he ever plays for us again, try to look at the amount of easy balls he fumbles away to the oposition to make a counter....

sounds a bit like Ayew ;) and they are saying £8 million
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 28, 2016, 02:14:34 PM: according to Wiki Kodjia's ours then.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oldtimernow on August 28, 2016, 02:25:48 PM: Quote from: JUAN PABLO on August 28, 2016, 02:06:58 PM
boro fan about Albert

For me it is a no brainer to get rid of AA. Well in some games he has a bit of magic, but more odten he loses the ball way to much and if we didn't have great defenders, he would have cost us a lot of goals. He is arguably an ok championship player at best.
If he ever plays for us again, try to look at the amount of easy balls he fumbles away to the oposition to make a counter....

sounds a bit like Ayew ;) and they are saying £8 million

or N"Zog ?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 28, 2016, 02:40:58 PM: Quote from: JJ-AV on August 28, 2016, 01:31:21 PM
If we've got this money that's being talked about for a forward we should get Rhodes. £15m or so would get him, I reckon. He's barely getting a look in.

It's because he's not very good. He does score goals, but he contributes nothing else. That's why he's not getting a look in.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on August 28, 2016, 02:48:10 PM: Quote from: JJ-AV on August 28, 2016, 01:31:21 PM
If we've got this money that's being talked about for a forward we should get Rhodes. £15m or so would get him, I reckon. He's barely getting a look in.

Good grief no
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brontebilly on August 28, 2016, 02:51:28 PM: With Okore gone and every effort being made to get rid of the Micleon twins, we desperately need another solid CB option. Baker isn't exactly that plus he is made of glass. Doesn't have to be a world beater just a solid experienced option. Newcastle have Clark and Hanley on their bench currently in comparison.

Chambers, Yoshida, James Collins, Geoff Cameron all likely to be available

Guediora at Watford is another one who has done well in the second tier previously, wouldn't be expensive but a decent option in midfield. Mcmanaman has been solid at this level before, Nathan Dyer on loan, definitely need to pad out the squad a bit.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 28, 2016, 02:54:56 PM: Cameron and Dyer of that list would do us good.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 28, 2016, 02:57:30 PM: Isn't DM just another in a long line of Villa managers who does not believe in wingers?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: spangley1812 on August 28, 2016, 03:07:37 PM: Quote from: ChicagoLion on August 28, 2016, 02:57:30 PM
Isn't DM just another in a long line of Villa managers who does not believe in wingers?

You look through all the leagues and there are only a handful of teams that play with out and out wingers now
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: JJ-AV on August 28, 2016, 03:16:08 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 28, 2016, 02:40:58 PM
Quote from: JJ-AV on August 28, 2016, 01:31:21 PM
If we've got this money that's being talked about for a forward we should get Rhodes. £15m or so would get him, I reckon. He's barely getting a look in.

It's because he's not very good. He does score goals, but he contributes nothing else. That's why he's not getting a look in.

Seems to me he'd be the right fit for us at the minute. We're dominating games for periods but not scoring.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Monty on August 28, 2016, 03:17:33 PM: The same players who are missing the chances are the ones instrumental in making those chances. We need someone who can contribute and finish - just get a finisher and all of a sudden you've got a specialist on the pitch for a job you can no longer provide.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 28, 2016, 03:21:45 PM: A manager will always point to the fact that we are actually creating chances as being the big positive. It wasn't that long ago we weren't creating any chances at all so that's a step forward. We just need either luck or simply someone who is clinical to complete the moves. I still stand by the notion that if we get a 2-0 lead in games, something that we have more than deserved on a few occasions this season we would kill teams off in those games. We've beaten ourselves his season before the opponent does their bit.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villafirst on August 28, 2016, 03:45:42 PM: Announcement today like Tony mentioned? Hopefully 2 signings?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dazvillain on August 28, 2016, 03:54:26 PM: Quote from: Villafirst on August 28, 2016, 03:45:42 PM
Announcement today like Tony mentioned? Hopefully 2 signings?
Well I wish he would bloody hurry up I'm sneaking on here every 10 mins as well as news threads and other half getting pissy now as jobs not getting done 😜
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: paul_e on August 28, 2016, 04:13:17 PM: Monty and TV are both on the right track, we need someone who will be involved and can play a bit but who is also going to put chances away. We're making chances and could easily be near the top of the league with 10-12 more goals to our name with just a little more composure and understanding in the box.

However we can't let scoring become the sole responsibility of the new guy, we need to working on it in training. For far too long we've wasted chances by not hitting the target, this season, for example, we've averaged 13 shots per game but only 4 on target. That needs to improve and that is the collective responsibility of the whole team to work on. I think we should be aiming for half our shots to be on target as a minimum and I'd be making shooting a core part of training until that is the case.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 28, 2016, 04:19:13 PM: Shooting can be taught. It's the composure bit that concerns me. If nothing else we need to find ways to get McCormack into key positions because he has a solid record of finding the net.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 28, 2016, 04:38:20 PM: If it really is c £14m for kodjia I'd much rather we look elsewhere

There must be better deals out there.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 28, 2016, 04:39:55 PM: I think you stick a strong mobile guy next to McCormack that can get his head up we are in business.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 28, 2016, 04:43:36 PM: Quote from: Matt Collins on August 28, 2016, 04:38:20 PM
If it really is c £14m for kodjia I'd much rather we look elsewhere

There must be better deals out there.

I can believe in Europe you can't get 2 Kodjia and a decent midfielder for that. Brighton got knockaert for 1.9m or thereabouts.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: paul_e on August 28, 2016, 04:44:57 PM: Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 28, 2016, 04:19:13 PM
Shooting can be taught. It's the composure bit that concerns me. If nothing else we need to find ways to get McCormack into key positions because he has a solid record of finding the net.

Composure comes with confidence and trust in your technique. We need a new 9 because we need them to help create space for the others but all of our attacking players need to be able to strike a ball cleanly and on target if they have a yard of space, that can be trained.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 28, 2016, 04:50:17 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on August 28, 2016, 04:43:36 PM
Quote from: Matt Collins on August 28, 2016, 04:38:20 PM
If it really is c £14m for kodjia I'd much rather we look elsewhere

There must be better deals out there.

I can believe in Europe you can't get 2 Kodjia and a decent midfielder for that. Brighton got knockaert for 1.9m or thereabouts.

Yep. Some suggestion asamoah Gyan is in England looking at premier and championship clubs. He's the perfect TYPE of striker. In always wary of someone who's chased the big bucks in a no mark league though
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on August 28, 2016, 04:57:01 PM: McCormack seems to be making more chances than he's getting on the end of, so we definitely need a new number 9. In the games where Grealish will play I'd rather Ross was playing further up and not dropping as deep too. He is very good at coming short and linking play but he's also very good at finding space in the box. If no one else is doing that, we need to be pushing him in there. He can play a 9 role.
I still feel like we're short of a good driving, goalscoring midfielder. Someone in the Platt mould who you'd fancy to burst into the box and finish. I wanted Alan Judge as he gets goals from midfield.

I think there'll be more work to be done in January. For now we just need 2 more. We can't have too many in one window as we're pushing cohesion to the limit as it is right now. In an ideal world in 12-18 months we'll be almost entirely shot of Lambert and Sherwoods signings (bar Amavi and Ayew who are worth keeping).
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 28, 2016, 05:01:24 PM: I don't think McCormack can play no 9 can he?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on August 28, 2016, 05:11:31 PM: Quote from: Matt Collins on August 28, 2016, 05:01:24 PM
I don't think McCormack can play no 9 can he?
I think in the same way as Robbie Keane could, perhaps a false nine. But of course you need someone who will break beyond him from midfield or the wings.
I'm hoping we just sign this 9 today though. We actually missed Rudy yesterday to be honest. If he doesn't play then I'd rather push Ross up as he's the best finisher at the club by a distance.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villafirst on August 28, 2016, 05:17:47 PM: Probably no announcement today. Desperately need this striker and AM. Otherwise, forget any promotion or even the play-offs. The current squad isn't good enough.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: auntiesledd on August 28, 2016, 05:33:43 PM: Quote from: LeeB on August 28, 2016, 01:47:14 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 28, 2016, 01:38:05 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 28, 2016, 01:34:03 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 28, 2016, 01:33:02 PM
Quote from: pbavfckuwait on August 28, 2016, 01:19:18 PM
I would settle for Tony Hart

Maybe if we sign Tony Hart he could Morph into Joe Hart

He could turn some of these defeats into draws.

He could help mould us into a better football team

Not for me, he plays to the gallery

Me neither - since Uncle Tone sadly shuffled off to introduce himself to the Sky God several years ago. It would certainly be interesting if any budding clairvoyants on here could see what his vision on all things Villa may be.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 28, 2016, 05:52:12 PM: ominous tone to Tone's latest bulletin -no addition recruits?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on August 28, 2016, 05:59:20 PM: I think he means getting them mentally right so we stop collapsing.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 28, 2016, 06:01:46 PM: I don't think his tweet implies we're not getting anyone in.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt C on August 28, 2016, 06:13:34 PM: This sounds promising http://m.thenorthernecho.co.uk/sport/14709770.Middlesbrough_to_make_a_final_push_for_defensive_target___but_Albert_Adomah_and_Jordan_Rhodes_are_set_to_leave/
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 28, 2016, 06:59:41 PM: Quote from: Matt C on August 28, 2016, 06:13:34 PM
This sounds promising http://m.thenorthernecho.co.uk/sport/14709770.Middlesbrough_to_make_a_final_push_for_defensive_target___but_Albert_Adomah_and_Jordan_Rhodes_are_set_to_leave/

Would be a good addition. He's rapid and we all know how badly were missing pace in the final 3rd.
Still wouldn't be surprised if Ayew leaves before Wednesday. Swap deal for Afobe?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 28, 2016, 07:02:35 PM: Afobe for Ayew would be as good as Baros for Carew was!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KevinGage on August 28, 2016, 08:00:19 PM: Quote from: VinnieChase84 on August 28, 2016, 06:59:41 PM
Quote from: Matt C on August 28, 2016, 06:13:34 PM
This sounds promising http://m.thenorthernecho.co.uk/sport/14709770.Middlesbrough_to_make_a_final_push_for_defensive_target___but_Albert_Adomah_and_Jordan_Rhodes_are_set_to_leave/

Would be a good addition. He's rapid and we all know how badly were missing pace in the final 3rd.
Still wouldn't be surprised if Ayew leaves before Wednesday. Swap deal for Afobe?

That and a keeper, and we might just be in business.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mallo on August 28, 2016, 08:11:45 PM: Adomah would be great. Ayew in a swap for Afobe is mental! Would be ok with Kodjia as he can finish and gets himself into the box well.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Gareth on August 28, 2016, 08:17:13 PM: Kodija & Assombalonga are both still 'available' - would hope we'll sign one of them or Hernandez by end of window.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dazvillain on August 28, 2016, 08:35:22 PM: Prefer Rhodes , not sure how is stats stack up versus other names on here tho
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Richard E on August 28, 2016, 08:37:56 PM: Quote from: Dazvillain on August 28, 2016, 08:35:22 PM
Prefer Rhodes , not sure how is stats stack up versus other names on here tho

Easier to spell, for a kick-off.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 28, 2016, 08:37:56 PM: Rhodes, gestede and McCormack would be the slowest set of strikers in the league
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on August 28, 2016, 08:46:15 PM: Don't fancy Rhodes myself
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on August 28, 2016, 08:54:04 PM: Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on August 28, 2016, 08:46:15 PM
Don't fancy Rhodes myself

I agree, It's a bit too package-holiday for my liking.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on August 28, 2016, 09:07:50 PM: Quote from: Dave on August 28, 2016, 08:54:04 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on August 28, 2016, 08:46:15 PM
Don't fancy Rhodes myself

I agree, It's a bit too package-holiday for my liking.

nobody mention lesbos
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Des Little on August 28, 2016, 09:12:55 PM: Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on August 28, 2016, 09:07:50 PM
Quote from: Dave on August 28, 2016, 08:54:04 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on August 28, 2016, 08:46:15 PM
Don't fancy Rhodes myself

I agree, It's a bit too package-holiday for my liking.

nobody mention lesbos

Depends where you drink
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 28, 2016, 09:15:07 PM: The Furry Cup is quite popular.

*i'llgetmecoat
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 28, 2016, 09:18:34 PM: Rhodes isn't what we need he has no pace.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 28, 2016, 09:25:35 PM: Morrison has been put up for sale.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Grande Pablo on August 28, 2016, 09:28:02 PM: William or Marion?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 28, 2016, 09:29:01 PM: Is everyone really desperate to get rid of Ayew, our best player, after one disappointing performance?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: john2710 on August 28, 2016, 09:31:10 PM: Quote from: cdbullyweefan on August 28, 2016, 09:29:01 PM
Is everyone really desperate to get rid of Ayew, our best player, after one disappointing performance?

I would hope not, but for all his good work he is far from clinical when it really matters.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 28, 2016, 09:38:28 PM: I think some people are genuinely suggesting we try for Joe hart. Really.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Holte L2 on August 28, 2016, 09:45:24 PM: Quote from: Matt Collins on August 28, 2016, 09:38:28 PM
I think some people are genuinely suggesting we try for Joe hart. Really.

Bank holiday does some perculiar things to some people.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: themossman on August 28, 2016, 09:55:14 PM: Quote from: Dave on August 28, 2016, 08:54:04 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on August 28, 2016, 08:46:15 PM
Don't fancy Rhodes myself

I agree, It's a bit too package-holiday for my liking.

They've been touting Rhodes around Britain this whole transfer window.

Sorry.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 28, 2016, 10:06:58 PM: Quote from: cdbullyweefan on August 28, 2016, 09:29:01 PM
Is everyone really desperate to get rid of Ayew, our best player, after one disappointing performance?

I think it's ridiculous. Some people seem desperate to find a specific player to blame for each defeat.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: BegbieAV on August 28, 2016, 10:13:52 PM: Will Grigg ? Why not?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: LukeJames on August 28, 2016, 10:14:02 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 28, 2016, 10:06:58 PM
Quote from: cdbullyweefan on August 28, 2016, 09:29:01 PM
Is everyone really desperate to get rid of Ayew, our best player, after one disappointing performance?

I think it's ridiculous. Some people seem desperate to find a specific player to blame for each defeat.

Thats the nature of football forums, when your team lose you analyse were it went wrong.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Colhint on August 28, 2016, 10:19:06 PM: Quote from: BegbieAV on August 28, 2016, 10:13:52 PM
Will Grigg ? Why not?

He'd burn the Holte down
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 28, 2016, 10:19:28 PM: Seems Britt Assomo....... has recently started following Grealish on Twitter and he and Landsbury have handed in transfer requests Forest. Both would be good buys.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 28, 2016, 10:20:37 PM: Quote from: LukeJames on August 28, 2016, 10:14:02 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 28, 2016, 10:06:58 PM
Quote from: cdbullyweefan on August 28, 2016, 09:29:01 PM
Is everyone really desperate to get rid of Ayew, our best player, after one disappointing performance?

I think it's ridiculous. Some people seem desperate to find a specific player to blame for each defeat.

Thats the nature of football forums, when your team lose you analyse were it went wrong.

Analysing where it went wrong doesn't extend to basically wanting to kick out one of our better players for having a poor game.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: BegbieAV on August 28, 2016, 10:26:33 PM: Dr Tony, please buy Britt Assombalonga.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 28, 2016, 10:26:44 PM: Indeed.

EDIT: reply to Paul Winch.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on August 28, 2016, 10:31:04 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on August 28, 2016, 10:19:28 PM
Seems Britt Assomo....... has recently started following Grealish on Twitter and he and Landsbury have handed in transfer requests Forest. Both would be good buys.

Agreed. Two very good players, throw in Gardner and Agbonlahor. Let them take Green or RHM on loan too if we have too.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: andyh on August 28, 2016, 10:32:09 PM: I'm starting to believe that we will see no new striker coming in other than Agbonlahor, coming in from the cold.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on August 28, 2016, 10:38:27 PM: i dont think we will see anyone else in
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 28, 2016, 10:38:44 PM: Telegraph are reporting that andy. It would be a fucking travesty considering there are a number of players out there that will be able to put away the chances we are creating, miles better than bloody Gabby too.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 28, 2016, 10:40:56 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on August 28, 2016, 10:38:44 PM
Telegraph are reporting that andy. It would be a fucking travesty considering there are a number of players out there that will be able to put away the chances we are creating, miles better than bloody Gabby too.
No they are not. It was a wind up on Twitter that's caused meltdown
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 28, 2016, 10:43:23 PM: Quote from: VinnieChase84 on August 28, 2016, 10:40:56 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 28, 2016, 10:38:44 PM
Telegraph are reporting that andy. It would be a fucking travesty considering there are a number of players out there that will be able to put away the chances we are creating, miles better than bloody Gabby too.
No they are not. It was a wind up on Twitter that's caused meltdown
Bloody notification tweet coming though my phone, thanks Vinnie!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: andyh on August 28, 2016, 10:44:14 PM: Quote from: VinnieChase84 on August 28, 2016, 10:40:56 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 28, 2016, 10:38:44 PM
Telegraph are reporting that andy. It would be a fucking travesty considering there are a number of players out there that will be able to put away the chances we are creating, miles better than bloody Gabby too.
No they are not. It was a wind up on Twitter that's caused meltdown
Wind up or not, it seems a plausible situation now.
We 'supposedly' have £20m to burn on a striker, but there isn't a striker in the whole wide world that will come.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 28, 2016, 10:44:55 PM: We'll sign a couple of players I'm sure. Money talks and Dr Tony has backed his words up so far.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 28, 2016, 10:46:04 PM: Quote from: andyh on August 28, 2016, 10:44:14 PM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on August 28, 2016, 10:40:56 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 28, 2016, 10:38:44 PM
Telegraph are reporting that andy. It would be a fucking travesty considering there are a number of players out there that will be able to put away the chances we are creating, miles better than bloody Gabby too.
No they are not. It was a wind up on Twitter that's caused meltdown
Wind up or not, it seems a plausible situation now.
We 'supposedly' have £20m to burn on a striker, but there isn't a striker in the whole wide world that will come.

Based on what?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dazvillain on August 28, 2016, 11:19:59 PM: Ravel Morrison placed on transfer list by Lazio tonight.....yes please Dr
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: OCD on August 28, 2016, 11:31:17 PM: Berahino might not be a bad shout.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on August 28, 2016, 11:32:10 PM: Do we need another "problem" personality though?

edit: Ravel.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 28, 2016, 11:34:32 PM: It would be a hell of a gamble. If he is fit, then Assombalonga is worth the risk, but Berahino switched on would score stupid amounts of goals in the Championship.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: OCD on August 28, 2016, 11:34:36 PM: I was thinking more of his pace and goals. He must know he's fucked his career up over the last few years so he might be a bit wiser after a fresh start somewhere.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 28, 2016, 11:36:05 PM: He got on well with Di Matteo and Clarke too.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 28, 2016, 11:39:19 PM: There is not a chance he'd come here.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KevinGage on August 28, 2016, 11:50:15 PM: Sure I read somewhere (maybe even here) that he was a Villa fan.

But then so was Lescott, for whatever that is worth.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 29, 2016, 12:00:04 AM: Pulis has indicated berahino is leaving before the window closes.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tuscans on August 29, 2016, 12:26:26 AM: Apparent bid for Assombalonga turned down.

https://twitter.com/infromthetrent/status/769979675284238340?s=04
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on August 29, 2016, 02:13:31 AM: Bloody hell, Forest fans are a bit glum arent they?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt C on August 29, 2016, 02:13:50 AM: Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on August 29, 2016, 12:00:04 AM
Pulis has indicated berahino is leaving before the window closes.

Hilarious as it would be if he did rock up here, I'm guessing he will go to the footballing powerhouse that is Stoke City.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 29, 2016, 05:26:07 AM: Official bid of £14m rising to £17m made for Hernandez according to the Mail.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 29, 2016, 06:49:15 AM: Quote from: LukeJames on August 28, 2016, 10:14:02 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 28, 2016, 10:06:58 PM
Quote from: cdbullyweefan on August 28, 2016, 09:29:01 PM
Is everyone really desperate to get rid of Ayew, our best player, after one disappointing performance?

I think it's ridiculous. Some people seem desperate to find a specific player to blame for each defeat.

Thats the nature of football forums, when your team lose you analyse were it went wrong.

Yes but for some, 'analyse' seems to mean 'make knee jerk reactions'
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on August 29, 2016, 07:50:09 AM: Quote from: mr underhill on August 29, 2016, 05:26:07 AM
Official bid of £14m rising to £17m made for Hernandez according to the Mail.

That is a very decent offer.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on August 29, 2016, 08:32:22 AM: Quote from: Ron Manager on August 29, 2016, 07:50:09 AM
Quote from: mr underhill on August 29, 2016, 05:26:07 AM
Official bid of £14m rising to £17m made for Hernandez according to the Mail.

That is a very decent offer.

mail quote

But it seems Villa and Dr Xia have given up hope on tempting him to B6 and are moving onto their next target - with a deal that could be done today.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 29, 2016, 08:33:26 AM: They would be mad to turn that down. I still can't believe we can't find a couple of strikers around Europe for 8million each that would take the championship apart
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 29, 2016, 08:41:38 AM: Quote from: ciggiesnbeer on August 29, 2016, 02:13:31 AM
Bloody hell, Forest fans are a bit glum arent they?

I think they have just also lost their up and coming star
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: QuintonVilla on August 29, 2016, 08:45:29 AM: Lansbury and Assombalonga would be good signings. Test the water while they're unhappy.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Bad English on August 29, 2016, 08:46:07 AM: Quote from: Tuscans on August 29, 2016, 12:26:26 AM
Apparent bid for Assombalonga turned down.
We get turned down but we get up again.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: jwarry on August 29, 2016, 08:58:17 AM: I see Zaza has gone to Spam so Valencia now available? Even if Tone thinks he's crap
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: JJ-AV on August 29, 2016, 09:03:50 AM: Just get Rhodes. Scored 45 with him and Rudy so we have that option. We just need a poacher. Before he went to Boro he missed 4 games in 3.5 years and he averages 25 a season.

We'd probably get him for £12m or so as he can't get a look in at Boro and seems to be 5th choice. Or throw in a big loan fee and get him for a year.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 29, 2016, 09:08:58 AM: Rhodes is completely the wrong player for us, we need pace. That's both from a winger and a striker. Teams need to fear pressing us in case they get countered and that'll in turn reduce the pressure on our midfield. Hernandez would be a great signing.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: robbo1874 on August 29, 2016, 09:09:34 AM: Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 28, 2016, 01:38:05 PM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on August 28, 2016, 01:34:03 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 28, 2016, 01:33:02 PM
Quote from: pbavfckuwait on August 28, 2016, 01:19:18 PM
I would settle for Tony Hart
would he have sanctioned the departure of Mr Bennett?

Maybe if we sign Tony Hart he could Morph into Joe Hart

He could turn some of these defeats into draws.

He could help mould us into a better football team
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Nastylee on August 29, 2016, 09:20:56 AM: With some of the names on here, we are going to have a lot of shit players to shift next summer. Unless of course, we're planning on an extended stay in the Chumps League.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on August 29, 2016, 09:24:55 AM: Rhodes is far too immobile. We need pace to work channels and in behind teams so that they cannot just step up ten yards second half.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on August 29, 2016, 09:28:53 AM: Quote from: ozzjim on August 29, 2016, 08:33:26 AM
They would be mad to turn that down. I still can't believe we can't find a couple of strikers around Europe for 8million each that would take the championship apart

i think hull would take the cash but he doesnt fancy it
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: walsall villain on August 29, 2016, 09:42:12 AM: Quote from: Ads on August 29, 2016, 09:24:55 AM
Rhodes is far too immobile. We need pace to work channels and in behind teams so that they cannot just step up ten yards second half.
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Quote from: Ads on August 29, 2016, 09:24:55 AM
Rhodes is far too immobile. We need pace to work channels and in behind teams so that they cannot just step up ten yards second half.
This is contributing to these capitulations I reckon. When the opposition start to push up we should be picking them off with fast breaks but we have no pacy players to do that. I thought Traore might be that man but no. We need someone like Gabby used to be, if only eh?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Richard E on August 29, 2016, 09:50:44 AM: Lescott has signed for AEK Athens.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: London Villan on August 29, 2016, 09:53:00 AM: That's a long drive, but he has a nice car.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 29, 2016, 09:55:30 AM: Quote from: Richard E on August 29, 2016, 09:50:44 AM
Lescott has signed for AEK Athens.

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Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 29, 2016, 10:09:56 AM: Traore not staying is a real blow pace wise
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: thick_mike on August 29, 2016, 10:13:50 AM: Quote from: ozzjim on August 29, 2016, 10:09:56 AM
Traore not staying is a real blow pace wise

Big redundancies planned in the physio dept. I hear.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: robbo1874 on August 29, 2016, 10:29:16 AM: I wish I'd paid more attention to football outside of Villa last season. For a start I'd probably have enjoyed things a lot more. But also I might have at least a rudimentary understanding of some of the players we're currently being linked with. I have absolutely no idea of how good/shit/indifferent any of them are, to offer an opinion.

It does seem though, that we've identified a number of attacking options and are working hard to bring one or more in.

After we get a striker, whoever that may be, I'd still like to see a pacy winger who can deliver good balls in signed. And unfortunately, another keeper, as I don't think Gollini is up to it yet, on his showing so far.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 29, 2016, 10:44:13 AM: let's hope our indifferent start to the season doesn't hinder us too much between now and Wednesday night
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Nastylee on August 29, 2016, 10:49:05 AM: Quote from: ozzjim on August 29, 2016, 10:09:56 AM
Traore not staying is a real blow pace wise

Has he actually gone? If not then we might be stuck with him in which case he either rots or knuckles down. Not convinced in him anyway.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: john e on August 29, 2016, 10:52:02 AM: Quote from: robbo1874 on August 29, 2016, 10:29:16 AM
I wish I'd paid more attention to football outside of Villa last season. For a start I'd probably have enjoyed things a lot more. But also I might have at least a rudimentary understanding of some of the players we're currently being linked with. I have absolutely no idea of how good/shit/indifferent any of them are, to offer an opinion.

It does seem though, that we've identified a number of attacking options and are working hard to bring one or more in.

After we get a striker, whoever that may be, I'd still like to see a pacy winger who can deliver good balls in signed. And unfortunately, another keeper, as I don't think Gollini is up to it yet, on his showing so far.

I'm exactly the same, Mcormack, Chester, De Laet, Elphick, Jedinak, Tshibola I don't know much more about them than I knew about all those French players we were bringing in last season,
so I just go on what people on here say

I mean when we signed Mcormack I thought he was the striker we were after,
then people started saying we still need a striker, I thought we just signed one of those to go with Gestede, Kozac, Ayew, Murphy etc, but apparently not

I haven't got a clue about the other forwards names linked, 'not mobile enough' i wouldn't know, I just hope we don't sign any end of window panic buys and waste a load of money as we have in the past

to be honest any decent manager with the squad we already have should be able to get us up into the playoffs at the very least
there is not that many clubs spending cash like us down there, we've nearly bought in a whole team of newbies,

even the likes of Warnock and Olly would get us up there with the players we have, so RDM should be ok I would think

no where near good enough for the prem though as it stands
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 29, 2016, 11:03:28 AM: Good points. I to thought McGoal was meant to be out 20 a season man but now it seems he can 't do that until we sign someone else. It's a real shame we can't seem to integrate Adama at all as we badly need that kind of pace in the side. Even as things stand now we should be better placed in the league than we are.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on August 29, 2016, 11:04:36 AM: I think I count a 25 player turnaround, count in the loans as well. Around £400k a week off the wage bill, obviously not including the players signed. Need more in though, striker, centre back, two midfielders potentially. With so many players coming and going, whilst I am optimistic, it will take time to settle down. Play offs at best for me this season.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 29, 2016, 11:08:33 AM: McCormack is a 20 a season man. Although that probably includes penalties

But he has never been a number 9 as far as I know. And that's the player we need, and have needed since benteke left

If McCormack was more match fit and in form, I think we might have polished off teams of late. But we'd still need that out ball into the channels
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: robbo1874 on August 29, 2016, 11:39:44 AM: Quote from: mr underhill on August 29, 2016, 10:44:13 AM
let's hope our indifferent start to the season doesn't hinder us too much between now and Wednesday night
im not too bothered about the indifferent start. In a way, it just gives RDM and Clark ammo to keep the pressure on Tone. And whilst I've had a snowball's chance in hell of seeing any of our games now that I have no Foxtel, and much less, even reading a newspaper match report; from what I've gathered reading on here, we've been murdering teams, but without getting the goals so far.

Few more signings and we'll come good I reckon. Might be too late to 'piss this league', but if we're not top six by Jan and looking to kick on from there, then the questions will be rightly asked of the management team. Much as everybody says of the premiership being a race, as opposed to a sprint; it's even more so over 46 games.

Even if we miss out this season, you'd have to fancy us to finish top 2 next season. I'd prefer we went straight back up, but if it takes 2 seasons, so be it.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: robbo1874 on August 29, 2016, 11:50:05 AM: Quote from: Matt Collins on August 29, 2016, 11:08:33 AM
McCormack is a 20 a season man. Although that probably includes penalties

But he has never been a number 9 as far as I know. And that's the player we need, and have needed since benteke left

If McCormack was more match fit and in form, I think we might have polished off teams of late. But we'd still need that out ball into the channels

its funny how people talk about 'number 9s' and 'number 10s' these days. When I think in those terms, I just automatically think of Withe and Sid. No other Villa players from the past get a look in, in those positions as far as I'm concerned.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: robbo1874 on August 29, 2016, 11:51:39 AM: And what the fk is a 'false 9' anyway?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 29, 2016, 11:53:15 AM: Think messi when he plays up front. The most forward facing player but doesn't play up against the centre backs - drops off to pick it up deeper instead
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: robbo1874 on August 29, 2016, 12:01:13 PM: so Messi has had a new position named after himself? Fair enough, he deserves it I suppose.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: MalcolmP on August 29, 2016, 12:06:29 PM: Quote from: robbo1874 on August 29, 2016, 12:01:13 PM
so Messi has had a new position named after himself? Fair enough, he deserves it I suppose.

All this talk about numbers and positions is too Messi for me - bring back the match day numbers 1-11 and do away with squad numbers.
Squad numbers are only to make more money on shirt sales anyway!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on August 29, 2016, 12:12:53 PM: Quote from: robbo1874 on August 29, 2016, 12:01:13 PM
so Messi has had a new position named after himself? Fair enough, he deserves it I suppose.

The tactic predates Messi by a long way.

The concept is basically that with a typical number nine you're aiming your pass at that player in the penalty area.

With a false nine you're aiming that pass into the empty space that is there because the player has dragged someone else out of position and another of your players can use the space created.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Eckybloke on August 29, 2016, 12:17:39 PM: Quote from: MalcolmP on August 29, 2016, 12:06:29 PM

Squad numbers are only to make more money on shirt sales anyway!

Which mostly goes to the manufacturer anyway. (https://www.theguardian.com/football/the-set-pieces-blog/2016/aug/24/transfer-window-market-myths)
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: robbo1874 on August 29, 2016, 12:19:07 PM: Or in our case, the ball goes straight through to the keeper? Right, I think I've got it now 😄
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: frank on August 29, 2016, 12:20:45 PM: Quote from: Dave on August 29, 2016, 12:12:53 PM
Quote from: robbo1874 on August 29, 2016, 12:01:13 PM
so Messi has had a new position named after himself? Fair enough, he deserves it I suppose.

The tactic predates Messi by a long way.
e.g. Don Revie for Man City in the 1950's
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Chris Jameson on August 29, 2016, 12:25:42 PM: They should give the goalkeeper the number 9 shirt and make them the 'false 9', give the number 1 to a central defender and they can be the 'false goalkeeper' etc.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 29, 2016, 12:31:43 PM: A false number 9 is an upside down 6.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 29, 2016, 12:37:45 PM: A few reports suggesting the guy from Borough has passed the medical and agreed terms
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 29, 2016, 01:09:34 PM: Good. We need width and pace, and no matter how up and down he is, he looks like he can be a real pain to the opposition.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: godzvilla on August 29, 2016, 03:09:48 PM: Quote from: mr underhill on August 29, 2016, 12:37:45 PM
A few reports suggesting the guy from Borough has passed the medical and agreed terms

Adomah & Assambolonga .......speed, aggression & goals ....now you're talking !!.............Godzvilla!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on August 29, 2016, 03:17:15 PM: Shame Adama appears to be on the way out as Adomah is on the way in. The speling rickets would have BE in meltdown.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on August 29, 2016, 03:47:05 PM: Adomah has turned us down.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 29, 2016, 03:49:19 PM: Quote from: Ads on August 29, 2016, 03:47:05 PM
Adomah has turned us down.

How accurate are HITC ??
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: godzvilla on August 29, 2016, 03:50:53 PM: Quote from: brian green on August 29, 2016, 03:17:15 PM
Shame Adama appears to be on the way out as Adomah is on the way in. The speling rickets would have BE in meltdown.

Apparently ( according to HITC Sports ) Adomah has turned us down, happy with life in the N.E. ( go figure !) , although Burnley & C.Pal still showing interest.
No interest in Traore , as yet, he'll be in a 'limbo' situation if he stays so either he gets his act together or his career goes into a Nil Lamptey style nose dive............Godzvilla !
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on August 29, 2016, 04:12:00 PM: Shame if it's true. He looks like what we need but we'll see.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: richardb on August 29, 2016, 04:14:11 PM: Unless his game has come on a lot from his Bristol City days, I'd hope we can do better. He was very erratic. Pacey but with very random delivery.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: OCD on August 29, 2016, 04:14:18 PM: It would seem odd. Only an hour or so ago he had agreed terms and passed the medical so I can't see both reports being accurate. Will have to wait and see.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on August 29, 2016, 04:14:28 PM: I'd be disappointed if we didn't get Adomah. Works the length of the pitch, and useful at the right end.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 29, 2016, 04:17:57 PM: Alan Nixon has just tweeted that Hull will sell Hernandez to us but they want more money up front.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: nigel on August 29, 2016, 04:19:10 PM: Don't get the love fest for Adama.
Quick, most definitely, and that's it.
He's a ball hogging selfish player who plays for himself.
This is more than likely the reason he's hardly selected.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on August 29, 2016, 04:26:02 PM: Quote from: nigel on August 29, 2016, 04:19:10 PM
Don't get the love fest for Adama.
Quick, most definitely, and that's it.
He's a ball hogging selfish player who plays for himself.
This is more than likely the reason he's hardly selected.

In other words another Bobby Templeton.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on August 29, 2016, 04:28:33 PM: I have seen, with my own eyes, in the flesh, every minute Adama Traore has played for us. I have never seen him play badly. I do not know where all the hate has come from.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: wittonwarrior on August 29, 2016, 04:28:44 PM: Can't we just buy the lot up from Hull - won't cost us more than a £1 and loan them back the ones we don't want.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KRS on August 29, 2016, 04:33:58 PM: It's great to see the back of Lescott, but if it looks like we're stuck with and paying the wages of Gabby and Richards, then surely it would make sense to at least try to send them out on loan to a club like a Hull who are literally desperate for more players.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 29, 2016, 04:35:41 PM: I'm not convinced about Adama but if he stays he has to play simply because he has the one thing everyone else lacks - pace
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: old man villa fan on August 29, 2016, 04:40:46 PM: Quote from: nigel on August 29, 2016, 04:19:10 PM
Don't get the love fest for Adama.
Quick, most definitely, and that's it.
He's a ball hogging selfish player who plays for himself.
This is more than likely the reason he's hardly selected.

Young, inexperienced, new to English football, talented but needs coaching. I should imagine that coaching of disciplined team play in Spain comes far later in a young players development than it does in England. Can he handle it in a foreign country, I don't know.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 29, 2016, 04:41:13 PM: Quote from: mr underhill on August 29, 2016, 04:35:41 PM
I'm not convinced about Adama but if he stays he has to play simply because he has the one thing everyone else lacks - pace

I'd love to see Adama playing. His debut at Palace was enough to show that he has bags of skill as well as pace. Admittedly he might lack awareness but you'd hope that would develop with games.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on August 29, 2016, 04:42:30 PM: Quote from: KRS on August 29, 2016, 04:33:58 PM
It's great to see the back of Lescott, but if it looks like we're stuck with and paying the wages of Gabby and Richards, then surely it would make sense to at least try to send them out on loan to a club like a Hull who are literally desperate for more players.

I suspect Agbonlahor and Richards would fall down laughing at that suggestion. If a player doesn't want to go on loan to a specific club the club cannot force him to go.

and its bloody cold in Hull!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: old man villa fan on August 29, 2016, 04:47:37 PM: Quote from: Ron Manager on August 29, 2016, 04:42:30 PM
Quote from: KRS on August 29, 2016, 04:33:58 PM
It's great to see the back of Lescott, but if it looks like we're stuck with and paying the wages of Gabby and Richards, then surely it would make sense to at least try to send them out on loan to a club like a Hull who are literally desperate for more players.

I suspect Agbonlahor and Richards would fall down laughing at that suggestion. If a player doesn't want to go on loan to a specific club the club cannot force him to go.

and its bloody cold in Hull!

No, we cannot force them out on loan but if they are not part of the managers plans we should tell them that they can stay, see out the contract but don't bother coming to the training ground and we will see you when your contract ends. It worked out well for Adebayor's career and our two are not a patch on him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Mellin on August 29, 2016, 04:58:35 PM: Quote from: brian green on August 29, 2016, 04:28:33 PM
I have seen, with my own eyes, in the flesh, every minute Adama Traore has played for us. I have never seen him play badly. I do not know where all the hate has come from.

This is nail on head for me. He has his weaknesses (so do the rest of our squad), but his strengths are so far superior to anyone else's in the entire division that he simply has to play. The kind of ace in the hole that gets you promoted (with a solid base behind him, which we're verging on having). I'm looking forward to seeing him play regularly anyway, even if it's not at the Villa.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: godzvilla on August 29, 2016, 05:01:15 PM: Well, Hernandez wants to come here , according to the Daily Heil, among others, but they need a replacement striker first. Maybe they had a scout at the Villa - Noocastle U21s this afternoon , where Kozak scored a hat-trick................Godzvilla!

Abel Hernandez keen on a move to Aston Villa as Hull search for a replacement striker:

Hull striker Abel Hernandez is keen to secure a move to Aston Villa before the summer transfer window closes.

The 26-year-old Uruguay international has been targeted by Villa boss Roberto Di Matteo and was the subject of a £14million bid on Monday.

However, Hull are reluctant to allow the striker to leave before they have lined up a replacement.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ian. on August 29, 2016, 05:20:10 PM: Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 29, 2016, 04:41:13 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on August 29, 2016, 04:35:41 PM
I'm not convinced about Adama but if he stays he has to play simply because he has the one thing everyone else lacks - pace

I'd love to see Adama playing. His debut at Palace was enough to show that he has bags of skill as well as pace. Admittedly he might lack awareness but you'd hope that would develop with games.
This.

I really would love to se him have a good consistent run for us.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: villadelph on August 29, 2016, 05:23:20 PM: Quote from: godzvilla on August 29, 2016, 05:01:15 PM
Well, Hernandez wants to come here , according to the Daily Heil, among others, but they need a replacement striker first. Maybe they had a scout at the Villa - Noocastle U21s this afternoon , where Kozak scored a hat-trick................Godzvilla!

Abel Hernandez keen on a move to Aston Villa as Hull search for a replacement striker:

Hull striker Abel Hernandez is keen to secure a move to Aston Villa before the summer transfer window closes.

The 26-year-old Uruguay international has been targeted by Villa boss Roberto Di Matteo and was the subject of a £14million bid on Monday.

However, Hull are reluctant to allow the striker to leave before they have lined up a replacement.

Good. Get him TF in.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: go on the dog on August 29, 2016, 05:30:14 PM: Berahino 25mill :o

Fake twitter account doh ;D
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 29, 2016, 05:33:25 PM: Quote from: go on the dog on August 29, 2016, 05:30:14 PM
Berahino 25mill :o

Fake twitter account doh ;D

If that happened Paul Franks would explode.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 29, 2016, 05:35:25 PM: Quote from: Mellin on August 29, 2016, 04:58:35 PM
Quote from: brian green on August 29, 2016, 04:28:33 PM
I have seen, with my own eyes, in the flesh, every minute Adama Traore has played for us. I have never seen him play badly. I do not know where all the hate has come from.

This is nail on head for me. He has his weaknesses (so do the rest of our squad), but his strengths are so far superior to anyone else's in the entire division that he simply has to play. The kind of ace in the hole that gets you promoted (with a solid base behind him, which we're verging on having). I'm looking forward to seeing him play regularly anyway, even if it's not at the Villa.

Agreed.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KRS on August 29, 2016, 05:36:34 PM: Quote from: godzvilla on August 29, 2016, 05:01:15 PM
Well, Hernandez wants to come here , according to the Daily Heil, among others, but they need a replacement striker first. Maybe they had a scout at the Villa - Noocastle U21s this afternoon , where Kozak scored a hat-trick................Godzvilla!

Abel Hernandez keen on a move to Aston Villa as Hull search for a replacement striker:

Hull striker Abel Hernandez is keen to secure a move to Aston Villa before the summer transfer window closes.

The 26-year-old Uruguay international has been targeted by Villa boss Roberto Di Matteo and was the subject of a £14million bid on Monday.

However, Hull are reluctant to allow the striker to leave before they have lined up a replacement.
SSN: Will Keane from Man Utd is having a medical at Hull so this may be the deal that releases Hernandez.

edit: apparently they are also negotiating deals for Hendrik from Derby and Kidoja from Bristol.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: spangley1812 on August 29, 2016, 05:39:08 PM: Quote from: KRS on August 29, 2016, 05:36:34 PM
Quote from: godzvilla on August 29, 2016, 05:01:15 PM
Well, Hernandez wants to come here , according to the Daily Heil, among others, but they need a replacement striker first. Maybe they had a scout at the Villa - Noocastle U21s this afternoon , where Kozak scored a hat-trick................Godzvilla!

Abel Hernandez keen on a move to Aston Villa as Hull search for a replacement striker:

Hull striker Abel Hernandez is keen to secure a move to Aston Villa before the summer transfer window closes.

The 26-year-old Uruguay international has been targeted by Villa boss Roberto Di Matteo and was the subject of a £14million bid on Monday.

However, Hull are reluctant to allow the striker to leave before they have lined up a replacement.
SSN: Will Keane from Man Utd is having a medical at Hull so this may be the deal that releases Hernandez.

edit: apparently they are also negotiating deals for Hendrik from Derby and Kidoja from Bristol.

and Marshall from Cardiff
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: AvFc4eVeR on August 29, 2016, 05:41:12 PM: According to SSN;

Man Utd Striker Will Keane having a medical at Hull prior to permanent move.

Will this free up Hernandez?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Holte L2 on August 29, 2016, 05:56:14 PM: Quote from: brian green on August 29, 2016, 04:28:33 PM
I have seen, with my own eyes, in the flesh, every minute Adama Traore has played for us. I have never seen him play badly. I do not know where all the hate has come from.

Same here Brian, I've seen every minute he's played for us. He could be a massive player for us if we gave him the opportunity.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: spangley1812 on August 29, 2016, 05:58:40 PM: Quote from: Holte L2 on August 29, 2016, 05:56:14 PM
Quote from: brian green on August 29, 2016, 04:28:33 PM
I have seen, with my own eyes, in the flesh, every minute Adama Traore has played for us. I have never seen him play badly. I do not know where all the hate has come from.

Same here Brian, I've seen every minute he's played for us. He could be a massive player for us if we gave him the opportunity.

Does he not need to get fit and then impress the manager in training
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KRS on August 29, 2016, 06:07:25 PM: IF Adama stays
IF we can get him fit
IF we can sort out his attitude
IF he can be coached to get him to play as part of a team

...then it would be like a new transfer given that he's hardly played for us so far.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: villadelph on August 29, 2016, 06:07:59 PM: Quote from: spangley1812 on August 29, 2016, 05:58:40 PM
Quote from: Holte L2 on August 29, 2016, 05:56:14 PM
Quote from: brian green on August 29, 2016, 04:28:33 PM
I have seen, with my own eyes, in the flesh, every minute Adama Traore has played for us. I have never seen him play badly. I do not know where all the hate has come from.

Same here Brian, I've seen every minute he's played for us. He could be a massive player for us if we gave him the opportunity.

Does he not need to get fit and then impress the manager in training

I don't hate him but..

He simply does not pass, he does not defend and wants away. He loves to dribble at defenders no matter how many are standing in front of him. He has confidence in himself, sure, but puts himself on an island.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 29, 2016, 06:15:36 PM: When /where did he say he wants to leave?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on August 29, 2016, 06:18:55 PM: Quote from: ChicagoLion on August 29, 2016, 06:15:36 PM
When /where did he say he wants to leave?

Like everything, our owner announced it on social media.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 29, 2016, 06:32:14 PM: sky sports news reckon the Hernandes deal won't happen
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: nigel on August 29, 2016, 06:36:06 PM: Quote from: old man villa fan on August 29, 2016, 04:40:46 PM
Quote from: nigel on August 29, 2016, 04:19:10 PM
Don't get the love fest for Adama.
Quick, most definitely, and that's it.
He's a ball hogging selfish player who plays for himself.
This is more than likely the reason he's hardly selected.

Young, inexperienced, new to English football, talented but needs coaching. I should imagine that coaching of disciplined team play in Spain comes far later in a young players development than it does in England. Can he handle it in a foreign country, I don't know.
Quote from: brian green on August 29, 2016, 04:28:33 PM
I have seen, with my own eyes, in the flesh, every minute Adama Traore has played for us. I have never seen him play badly. I do not know where all the hate has come from.

I certainly don't hate the player, Brian.
I actually agree with omvf's first sentence.
Maybe I was a bit harsh in what I put, he is a talent, there's no denying, but, the way he plays at the moment I just don't feel he's the right fit at this point in time. We can't afford a player in the team who, for me, isn't yet a team player. As I said, this ir more than likely why he doesn't get selected.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 29, 2016, 06:36:30 PM: Quote from: mr underhill on August 29, 2016, 06:32:14 PM
sky sports news reckon the Hernandes deal won't happen
This Gives me hope that it may a finally happen after all....
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KRS on August 29, 2016, 06:46:49 PM: Is this Hernandez even that good? Is he genuinely likely to be the missing piece of the jigsaw? Are there better targets available out there that would come...or is this guy the best option?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Rudy65 on August 29, 2016, 06:49:15 PM: Quote from: brian green on August 29, 2016, 04:28:33 PM
I have seen, with my own eyes, in the flesh, every minute Adama Traore has played for us. I have never seen him play badly. I do not know where all the hate has come from.

Have you seen him play well?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on August 29, 2016, 06:49:21 PM: Why Adama appears in highlights and clips and excerpts from games to be selfish and unaware of his own team is because he runs at the opposition. He puts the opposition on the back foot. He has been in a team obsessed with passing backwards and sideways. Why do the fans sing his name? Because when he comes on we go forwards. The worst aspect of our capitulations is that we can't get out of our own half. Put somebody quick with him like Rushian and Adama will have somebody to pass to.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on August 29, 2016, 06:51:40 PM: And yes I have seen him play well. He was outstanding against Palace and Notts County and against Norwich in the short time he was given on the field.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on August 29, 2016, 06:53:35 PM: Quote from: KRS on August 29, 2016, 06:46:49 PM
Is this Hernandez even that good? Is he genuinely likely to be the missing piece of the jigsaw? Are there better targets available out there that would come...or is this guy the best option?

is he world class?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on August 29, 2016, 06:54:45 PM: Quote from: KRS on August 29, 2016, 06:46:49 PM
Is this Hernandez even that good? Is he genuinely likely to be the missing piece of the jigsaw? Are there better targets available out there that would come...or is this guy the best option?

We're trying to sign him because he scored loads of goals in the Championship last year.

In a parallel world somewhere, a group of Villa fans are whining about this Hernandez guy we've had up front for a year while we got relegated and saying we need a bloke like Rudy Gestede who has a proven record of scoring loads of goals to get a team promoted.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: IAmTheOneIanOlney on August 29, 2016, 07:00:04 PM: Typical parallel world Villa fans.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on August 29, 2016, 07:06:38 PM: I've seen so little of Traore other than he can run fast that him leaving wouldn't bother me one iota. And the fact he wants out, and clearly thinks the EFL is below him (despite only ever featuring regularly for Barca B in a side that got relegated to the third tier lets not forget) tells me he's either got delusions of grandeur about his own ability or his agent has his ear and thinks he can get him a move away.

However, there are only two days to go before the transfer window shuts and we've heard absolutely zero about any bids for him. He could end up looking like a right bellend if he's still here come Thursday especially now the manager knows he's not one to have in the trenches with him. He 'll have a lot of grovelling and U23 games to prove himself to the manager and his team mates if he wants to get back in the first team squad that's for sure.

Silly boy.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KRS on August 29, 2016, 07:08:51 PM: Quote from: VinnieChase84 on August 29, 2016, 06:36:30 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on August 29, 2016, 06:32:14 PM
sky sports news reckon the Hernandes deal won't happen
This Gives me hope that it may a finally happen after all....
Well SSN just said we've bid £20m which would be a record for a Championship club.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on August 29, 2016, 07:10:10 PM: Quote from: KRS on August 29, 2016, 07:08:51 PM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on August 29, 2016, 06:36:30 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on August 29, 2016, 06:32:14 PM
sky sports news reckon the Hernandes deal won't happen
This Gives me hope that it may a finally happen after all....
Well SSN just said we've bid £20m which would be a record for a Championship club.
Well that's apparently what Hull want, and Hernandez wants to join? That's got to be promising surely.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ian. on August 29, 2016, 07:13:10 PM: Quote from: supertom on August 29, 2016, 07:10:10 PM
Quote from: KRS on August 29, 2016, 07:08:51 PM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on August 29, 2016, 06:36:30 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on August 29, 2016, 06:32:14 PM
sky sports news reckon the Hernandes deal won't happen
This Gives me hope that it may a finally happen after all....
Well SSN just said we've bid £20m which would be a record for a Championship club.
Well that's apparently what Hull want, and Hernandez wants to join? That's got to be promising surely.
You would think?

Is he a £20m man though? Serious question, I have no idea. A bit like the last five managers we've had over the last so many years I suppose.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on August 29, 2016, 07:18:18 PM: Quote from: Ian J on August 29, 2016, 07:13:10 PM
Quote from: supertom on August 29, 2016, 07:10:10 PM
Quote from: KRS on August 29, 2016, 07:08:51 PM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on August 29, 2016, 06:36:30 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on August 29, 2016, 06:32:14 PM
sky sports news reckon the Hernandes deal won't happen
This Gives me hope that it may a finally happen after all....
Well SSN just said we've bid £20m which would be a record for a Championship club.
Well that's apparently what Hull want, and Hernandez wants to join? That's got to be promising surely.
You would think?

Is he a £20m man though? Serious question, I have no idea. A bit like the last five managers we've had over the last so many years I suppose.
Definitely not but if 34 million for he and McCormack gets us 40 goals it makes our chances of going up a hell of a lot better. I can flippantly say "well it's not my money" but we said that when Randy was spunking cash left, right and centre. I just hope we don't make the same mistakes again. We can't do this again the next 3 summers.
For this outlay though we've got to be getting in the playoffs bare minimum. As it is, ourselves and Newcastle are the big spenders but I don't think either of us will finish top. Too much damage to eradicate from last season. A more unified side will perhaps win and there'll be about 7-8 sides all much of a muchness fighting for 2nd-6th.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on August 29, 2016, 07:18:29 PM: Quote from: IAmTheOneIanOlney on August 29, 2016, 07:00:04 PM
Typical parallel world Villa fans.

It's just depressing - Legion banging on about his second lottery win and capitalist pigdog Percy talking about his share options again.

At least Chris Jameson's latest Kaiser Chiefs tattoo has cheered us all up.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on August 29, 2016, 07:21:41 PM: Bet you we still never do anything in parallel universe Manchester.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on August 29, 2016, 07:22:09 PM: Quote from: Dave on August 29, 2016, 07:18:29 PM
Quote from: IAmTheOneIanOlney on August 29, 2016, 07:00:04 PM
Typical parallel world Villa fans.

It's just depressing - Legion banging on about his second lottery win and capitalist pigdog Percy talking about his share options again.

At least Chris Jameson's latest Kaiser Chiefs tattoo has cheered us all up.
Villakick's in depth and informed scouting which ultimately led to him being recruited as Villa's chief scout also gave us all hope that us mere mortals could get a job in football. We all look forward to signing Jason Scotland before the window closes.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Chris Jameson on August 29, 2016, 07:22:51 PM: Quote from: Dave on August 29, 2016, 07:18:29 PM
Quote from: IAmTheOneIanOlney on August 29, 2016, 07:00:04 PM
Typical parallel world Villa fans.

It's just depressing - Legion banging on about his second lottery win and capitalist pigdog Percy talking about his share options again.

At least Chris Jameson's latest Kaiser Chiefs tattoo has cheered us all up.

Only just seen this as I've been to see the Chili Peppers at Leeds Festival. They were as awesome as ever.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on August 29, 2016, 07:23:03 PM: Quote from: supertom on August 29, 2016, 07:10:10 PM
Quote from: KRS on August 29, 2016, 07:08:51 PM
Quote from: VinnieChase84 on August 29, 2016, 06:36:30 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on August 29, 2016, 06:32:14 PM
sky sports news reckon the Hernandes deal won't happen
This Gives me hope that it may a finally happen after all....
Well SSN just said we've bid £20m which would be a record for a Championship club.
Well that's apparently what Hull want, and Hernandez wants to join? That's got to be promising surely.

Sounds to me like Sky Sports are making it up as they go along. Again.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Chris Jameson on August 29, 2016, 07:23:22 PM: Is Kevin Kyle still a footballer?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: villadelph on August 29, 2016, 07:25:09 PM: I just watched all of Hernandez's goals from the last campaign:

All the them came within 12 yards of the goal, with a majority inside the 6.

About half were tap ins from rebounds and goal mouth commotion.

He's not usually in the build up, but often ends up with the ball. Right place, right time.

One thing I'm thinking right now is that he hasn't played in front of a proper Premier League environment. Home to Leicester and United, and away at Swansea. If he had played away games at Liverpool, Arsenal, Spurs etc.. I don't think he'd be willing to drop down a level. Either way, get him in. It's not my money and we need a poacher.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on August 29, 2016, 07:28:47 PM: Quote from: villadelph on August 29, 2016, 07:25:09 PM
I just watched all of Hernandez's goals from the last campaign:

All the them came within 12 yards of the goal, with a majority inside the 6.

About half were tap ins from rebounds and goal mouth commotion.

He's not usually in the build up, but often ends up with the ball. Right place, right time.

You sure it wasn't Gestede's highlights reel from 14/15 you were watching? It sounds a lot like it.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: villadelph on August 29, 2016, 07:43:54 PM: Quote from: Dave on August 29, 2016, 07:28:47 PM
Quote from: villadelph on August 29, 2016, 07:25:09 PM
I just watched all of Hernandez's goals from the last campaign:

All the them came within 12 yards of the goal, with a majority inside the 6.

About half were tap ins from rebounds and goal mouth commotion.

He's not usually in the build up, but often ends up with the ball. Right place, right time.

You sure it wasn't Gestede's highlights reel from 14/15 you were watching? It sounds a lot like it.

This guy actually scores with his feet.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Chris Smith on August 29, 2016, 07:48:33 PM: Quote from: Chris Jameson on August 29, 2016, 07:23:22 PM
Is Kevin Kyle still a footballer?

Was he ever?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 29, 2016, 07:49:37 PM: I thought his early goals were very much the scrambled tap in variety

But that he started to score better goals - presumably as his confidence grew

On the SSN thing - is this them actually reporting something themselves, or them reporting a newspaper or some other outlet reporting something? That's quite different
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Chris Jameson on August 29, 2016, 07:54:31 PM: I've lost track of what universe I'm in. I don't want to be in the one where people think Villa paying £20 million for Abel Hernandez isn't batshit mental, on the other hand I don't want to be stuck with this tattoo.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Holte L2 on August 29, 2016, 07:57:01 PM: My gut feeling says I'd rather have Assombalonga than Hernandez.

The Nottingham Forest forums are reporting we've put in a second bid for him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 29, 2016, 08:00:12 PM: Assombalonga has more potential I think, he is a really, really good striker from the times i have seen him. Imagine Tony shelled out for both.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: OCD on August 29, 2016, 08:02:23 PM: Could we end up with both Hernandez and Assombalonga?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: berneboy on August 29, 2016, 08:02:56 PM: I look forward to Thursday when I stop using my data allowance by constantly refreshing h&v, Twitter, newsnow et al.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 29, 2016, 08:04:33 PM: Quote from: berneboy on August 29, 2016, 08:02:56 PM
I look forward to Thursday when I stop using my data allowance by constantly refreshing h&v, Twitter, newsnow et al.

Yeah me too! Why do we find it s compulsve to do it!?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 29, 2016, 08:04:45 PM: I'm watching SSN now. They're trailing hull / kodjia negotiations

Nowt about Hernandez on at the minute. If they thought we'd bid £20m I'm sure it would be getting some coverage
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Rudy65 on August 29, 2016, 08:26:11 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on August 29, 2016, 08:04:33 PM
Quote from: berneboy on August 29, 2016, 08:02:56 PM
I look forward to Thursday when I stop using my data allowance by constantly refreshing h&v, Twitter, newsnow et al.

Yeah me too! Why do we find it s compulsve to do it!?

Me as well. At 51 yrs old I should really know better
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: john e on August 29, 2016, 08:33:28 PM: I know next to fuck all about all the strikers we are linked with so I don't really have a preference

only that 20 mill is a lot of money and needs to be spent wisely or not at all
If that's the market we are in we might as well have put another 10 mill on it and tried to get the big man back, at least we know what he can do
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 29, 2016, 08:37:12 PM: Benteke is not joining a championship team
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tuscans on August 29, 2016, 08:41:43 PM: Quote from: Matt Collins on August 29, 2016, 08:37:12 PM
Benteke is not joining a championship team
They'll be back soon enough.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on August 29, 2016, 08:44:00 PM: Quote from: Holte L2 on August 29, 2016, 07:57:01 PM
My gut feeling says I'd rather have Assombalonga than Hernandez.

The Nottingham Forest forums are reporting we've put in a second bid for him.

Great, now I'll have Devo in my head for the rest of the evening.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: villadelph on August 29, 2016, 08:44:49 PM: Quote from: Tuscans on August 29, 2016, 08:41:43 PM
Quote from: Matt Collins on August 29, 2016, 08:37:12 PM
Benteke is not joining a championship team
They'll be back soon enough.

Without Lambert's brilliant coaching no one will ever get the best out of him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 29, 2016, 08:46:55 PM: Quote from: Rudy65 on August 29, 2016, 08:26:11 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 29, 2016, 08:04:33 PM
Quote from: berneboy on August 29, 2016, 08:02:56 PM
I look forward to Thursday when I stop using my data allowance by constantly refreshing h&v, Twitter, newsnow et al.

Yeah me too! Why do we find it s compulsve to do it!?

Me as well. At 51 yrs old I should really know better

that makes me feel better at 41
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Holte L2 on August 29, 2016, 08:59:14 PM: Quote from: VILLA MOLE on August 29, 2016, 08:46:55 PM
Quote from: Rudy65 on August 29, 2016, 08:26:11 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 29, 2016, 08:04:33 PM
Quote from: berneboy on August 29, 2016, 08:02:56 PM
I look forward to Thursday when I stop using my data allowance by constantly refreshing h&v, Twitter, newsnow et al.

Yeah me too! Why do we find it s compulsve to do it!?

Me as well. At 51 yrs old I should really know better

that makes me feel better at 41

And me at 32!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: dave shelley on August 29, 2016, 09:16:05 PM: How do you think I feel at 67? I'm always popping in and out of this thread hoping for some good news regarding better signings.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 29, 2016, 09:19:46 PM: Quote from: dave shelley on August 29, 2016, 09:16:05 PM
How do you think I feel at 67? I'm always popping in and out of this thread hoping for some good news regarding better signings.

You are my aim then
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Rigadon on August 29, 2016, 09:20:28 PM: Quote from: Chris Smith on August 29, 2016, 07:48:33 PM
Quote from: Chris Jameson on August 29, 2016, 07:23:22 PM
Is Kevin Kyle still a footballer?

Was he ever?

haha
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on August 29, 2016, 09:31:28 PM: Lucas Piazon from Chelsea being linked.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 29, 2016, 09:34:00 PM: Quote from: Newby on August 29, 2016, 09:31:28 PM
Lucas Piazon from Chelsea being linked.

Wiki
Quote
He is primarily a forward, although he has also been deployed as a left winger, as an attacking midfielder or in the hole behind the striker.

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Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: walsall villain on August 29, 2016, 09:36:20 PM: Quote from: Newby on August 29, 2016, 09:31:28 PM
Lucas Piazon from Chelsea being linked.
Just googled him, he can play in the hole it says, come on PWS, it's your cue.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: walsall villain on August 29, 2016, 09:36:47 PM: Sod it, that was quick!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: olaftab on August 29, 2016, 09:37:30 PM: Quote from: Newby on August 29, 2016, 09:31:28 PM
Lucas Piazon from Chelsea being linked.
What does he do when he is not sitting on his arse counting money?

Edited: apologies just read the posts above.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villastu on August 29, 2016, 09:40:08 PM: Rumours going around that danny ings been seen, potential loan ? Wouldn't mind him, cant get on the Liverpool bench at the moment.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 29, 2016, 09:43:04 PM: I think i'd rather have Heskey on loan than pay £20m for Hernandez.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: olaftab on August 29, 2016, 09:44:04 PM: Quote from: Villastu on August 29, 2016, 09:40:08 PM
Rumours going around that danny ings been seen,
Well no one actually saw him last season so that's quite an achievement.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: john e on August 29, 2016, 09:45:48 PM: Quote from: olaftab on August 29, 2016, 09:44:04 PM
Quote from: Villastu on August 29, 2016, 09:40:08 PM
Rumours going around that danny ings been seen,
Well no one actually saw him last season so that's quite an achievement.

ha ha, love it
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: themossman on August 29, 2016, 09:46:18 PM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 29, 2016, 09:43:04 PM
I think i'd rather have Heskey on loan than pay £20m for Hernandez.

Unbelievable amount for him really. I long for a day when we're not constantly getting shafted in these deals because we're not negotiating from a position of desperation.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: BC54 VFC on August 29, 2016, 09:48:23 PM: Quote from: olaftab on August 29, 2016, 09:44:04 PM
Quote from: Villastu on August 29, 2016, 09:40:08 PM
Rumours going around that danny ings been seen,
Well no one actually saw him last season so that's quite an achievement.
Harsh. Whilst he may not have been on the pitch for the majority of the season due to injury he does a fantastic job for Danny Ings Sport Disability Project, linked to Burnley FC in the Community, despite having left that club.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on August 29, 2016, 09:51:17 PM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 29, 2016, 09:43:04 PM
I think i'd rather have Heskey on loan than pay £20m for Hernandez.

I've not knowingly seen him play, but that's a monstrous amount of cash for someone who's had 1 good season at Championship level.

Whenever I see these sorts of deals being mooted I always end up thinking about Marcus Stewart.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tayls_7 on August 29, 2016, 09:53:47 PM: Quote from: BC54 VFC on August 29, 2016, 09:48:23 PM
Quote from: olaftab on August 29, 2016, 09:44:04 PM
Quote from: Villastu on August 29, 2016, 09:40:08 PM
Rumours going around that danny ings been seen,
Well no one actually saw him last season so that's quite an achievement.
Harsh. Whilst he may not have been on the pitch for the majority of the season due to injury he does a fantastic job for Danny Ings Sport Disability Project, linked to Burnley FC in the Community, despite having left that club.

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Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 29, 2016, 10:34:30 PM: Quote from: Villastu on August 29, 2016, 09:40:08 PM
Rumours going around that danny ings been seen, potential loan ? Wouldn't mind him, cant get on the Liverpool bench at the moment.

I think this rumour started when someone said they saw him walking around Villa park with 'Derek' from security

Time for bed I think chaps
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 29, 2016, 10:35:15 PM: Ings on loan would be my preference out of those linked.

Spend some money on an attacking right sided forward. Shame that Forest player left for Leipzig. The rest can be spent in January when we know more about the (new) players.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 29, 2016, 10:41:45 PM: Sunderland have failed in a bid to sign Danny Ings on loan; @LFC are not entertaining any enquiries for him. Story on @MailSport

And that Derek story sounded legit
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 29, 2016, 10:44:31 PM: On a more plausible link - how would we sort out Hernandez signing when he's in Uruguay? Normally players physically go to the club they're joining don't they? I can't see him hot footing it over to Birmingham / London at a minute's notice?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tuscans on August 29, 2016, 10:53:48 PM: Wilshere on loan?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Gareth on August 29, 2016, 11:00:48 PM: Quote from: Matt Collins on August 29, 2016, 10:44:31 PM
On a more plausible link - how would we sort out Hernandez signing when he's in Uruguay? Normally players physically go to the club they're joining don't they? I can't see him hot footing it over to Birmingham / London at a minute's notice?
He can do a medical in Uruguay (if he hasn't done one already!) & can sign without being at Bodymoor. Sure a few deals last year were done on deadline day 'remotely'
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Nastylee on August 29, 2016, 11:02:01 PM: I'm sure medicals can be done in other countries. Our guys would just fly to meet him. It's not impossible
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 29, 2016, 11:03:46 PM: Can they do a virtual medical by Montevideo link?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Gareth on August 29, 2016, 11:07:28 PM: Quote from: Matt Collins on August 29, 2016, 11:03:46 PM
Can they do a virtual medical by Montevideo link?
Boom boom!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on August 29, 2016, 11:53:05 PM: I don't want Assombalonga purely for the reason that his name sounds like how commentators pronounced Gabby's name in his first season.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 30, 2016, 12:16:31 AM: Well less than 48 hours to, how many more do we reckon then? I am going for a disappointing 2, neither being anywhere near what we wanted and some good old school hand wringing and doom mongering to be had.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: devilla on August 30, 2016, 12:26:37 AM: Quote from: Holte L2 on August 29, 2016, 08:59:14 PM
Quote from: VILLA MOLE on August 29, 2016, 08:46:55 PM
Quote from: Rudy65 on August 29, 2016, 08:26:11 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 29, 2016, 08:04:33 PM
Quote from: berneboy on August 29, 2016, 08:02:56 PM
I look forward to Thursday when I stop using my data allowance by constantly refreshing h&v, Twitter, newsnow et al.

Yeah me too! Why do we find it s compulsve to do it!?

Me as well. At 51 yrs old I should really know better

that makes me feel better at 41

And me at 32!

And me at 55. In the words of the younger generation, I've rinsed my mobile data this month.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on August 30, 2016, 12:55:21 AM: Lots of agents speak to Media outlets BBC regional journos and Bt sports and Sky Sports News tipping or trying to cause a stir. Thats generally how leaks come about. People who know the player. Agents try to do the best for clients and use the media so managers and chairmen go into frenzy into making speculative deals.
The other way is genuine sightings of players who are staying at a hotel , airport or train travel or at a service station! With Twitter it can be put out that a player is somewhere instantly.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 30, 2016, 01:27:14 AM: Quote from: ozzjim on August 30, 2016, 12:16:31 AM
Well less than 48 hours to, how many more do we reckon then? I am going for a disappointing 2, neither being anywhere near what we wanted and some good old school hand wringing and doom mongering to be had.
i think we get a centre forward and a n other.
More importantly who do you think will get shipped out?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on August 30, 2016, 01:34:49 AM: The late moves out
Hutton
Richards
Westwood
Traore
Maybe even ayew or kozack

I think the last 2 will depend on who comes in.

Lot of last minute deals next 2 days for ahost of clubs which will be knock on effects . For e.g. Watford sold vydra to derby after then signed okaku. Derby sell on Chris Martin to wolves.

Forrest have 13 million to spend ...
All very interesting.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KRS on August 30, 2016, 02:08:12 AM: I doubt we'll be getting rid of Westwood, Ayew, Hutton or Kozak this season, and I'd say Traore going is also unlikely at this stage...but I'd be fine with any of them going as long as replacements are brought in to strengthen the side in the right places. It would also be great if we can ship out Richards and Gabby.

We really need that centre forward and another midfielder regardless of who leaves. A winger would be great, but we do have a couple of wide options already at the club with Green and if Traore ends up staying and knuckles down.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt C on August 30, 2016, 04:14:44 AM: I'd be surprised if nobody takes Richards but other than that and maybe a younger player or two heading out on loan, I think that will be it for outgoings. Two more to come in.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 30, 2016, 05:55:01 AM: I can't see it being more than two at this stage

I'm starting to think we may end up paying over the odds for some guys just to fill up the numbers
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 30, 2016, 07:04:03 AM: everybody will overpay thanks to the amount of money sloshing around. it goes in one end and straight out of the other - i.e. to the players/agents.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on August 30, 2016, 07:24:08 AM: The only situation I can think of re moving Agbonlahor on in this window would be to Walsall on loan.That depends on two factors

1.Would they have him
2.Would driving to Bescot be too much for him.

We would have course have to pay all of his considerable salary but at least it would get him out of the house.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sid1964 on August 30, 2016, 07:44:35 AM: I think it may be a couple of loans, I notice that Pulis said yesterday that Lambert will leave the Albion before Wednesday, could he be on his way to us?

Also I am surprised that we have not tried to get Afobe from Bournemouth, he is currently not in their starting 11
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 30, 2016, 08:17:46 AM: Afobe would be a good deal I think and not too fanciful either.

What did they sign him for? What is evident is that there has been another gear change in prices in the PL. Chadli was signed for about £7m but sold to WBA for over £13m, there are probably loads of other examples too (Benteke?).
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Witton Warrior on August 30, 2016, 08:32:05 AM: Quote from: sid1964 on August 30, 2016, 07:44:35 AM
I think it may be a couple of loans, I notice that Pulis said yesterday that Lambert will leave the Albion before Wednesday, could he be on his way to us?

Rickety Lambert? Dear Gods another Grant Holt then...
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 30, 2016, 08:36:28 AM: I really doubt it's going to be Lambert, we're looking to sign pace.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: godzvilla on August 30, 2016, 08:42:40 AM: Sky just reporting that we have made a 20 million pound bid for Hernandez.....Godzvilla!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sid1964 on August 30, 2016, 08:49:55 AM: £20 million bid, the football world has gone mad!, this transfer window, the fees that are being paid for average footballers is unbelievable
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on August 30, 2016, 08:56:08 AM: Such is the prize money of the Premiership. Corner shops need not apply.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tayls_7 on August 30, 2016, 08:57:57 AM: Quote from: sid1964 on August 30, 2016, 08:49:55 AM
£20 million bid, the football world has gone mad!, this transfer window, the fees that are being paid for average footballers is unbelievable

Damn straight. You could buy nearly four Bosko Balabans for that.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 30, 2016, 09:02:10 AM: Thing is it's all relative I guess. If we sign Hernandez and he fires us back to the Premier League then it's worth it. However if he doesn't we might be in a spot of bother.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Brend'Watkins on August 30, 2016, 09:02:40 AM: There must be some conditions with that amount as in that's what they'll get if we get promotion.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sid1964 on August 30, 2016, 09:07:30 AM: Listening to David Pleat on Talksport last night, and he was saying that some agents are getting up to 35% of the transfer fee for certain players this summer, and that is why a lot of the transfer fees are so inflated

Hernandez hopefully will do well for us, but for me, I would like to see if one of our younger players who has come through the reserves given a chance, otherwise what is the point of having a reserve team, if they are not to be given a chance?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on August 30, 2016, 09:12:05 AM: Quote from: brian green on August 30, 2016, 08:56:08 AM
Such is the prize money of the Premiership. Corner shops need not apply.

Reports are just coming in of a large explosion near Bath. Terrorism isn't suspected.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on August 30, 2016, 09:18:25 AM: Too right Sid. Rushian Hepburn-Murphy is a classic case in point. The value of your home grown players rises in tandem with those that are bought in. However, to reap that harvest you need mansgers and coaches with the vision to give them their chance. That is why Black's ring fencing of his CV at the end of last season still makes me angry. Any one of Lyden, Toner, Green, Davies, or RH-M that had been given the chance to become part of the first team or bench would be saving us millions now.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sid1964 on August 30, 2016, 09:23:04 AM: The Spurs Manager was saying that he was going to give his youngsters a chance in the first team this season.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mattjpa on August 30, 2016, 09:30:08 AM: Morrison being quoted through sources that Villa would be his choice out of the four currently mooted - Us, Hull, Sunderland and Hull. Elsewhere saying it is a straight fight between the Toon and Forest
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on August 30, 2016, 09:34:07 AM: Pat Murphy has said the deal for Hernandez is dead but we're close to signing Kodija
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 30, 2016, 09:36:37 AM: Yeah - evening mail reporting that personal terms shouldn't be a problem w Hernandez but Murphy has been saying it's dead in the water for days. Inclined to believe the Beeb here

Really not sure about kodjia. It's a massive hike up in cost over 1 season and the reports aren't unanimously positive by any means
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cdward on August 30, 2016, 09:43:39 AM: Dr Tony tweeted the same, confirmed we had bid £20M, and they had been working on the deal all summer, but it hasn't worked. We are moving on to our other option. Announcement expected today.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on August 30, 2016, 09:51:07 AM: Spoke to a Bristol City steward about Kodjia on Saturday. He'd said he's ok, no more than that.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 30, 2016, 10:07:49 AM: The positive is that Kodjia looks a strong finisher. As things stand we have created more chances than everyone else in the league so far. Just lacking the finishing
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 30, 2016, 10:14:12 AM: He's definitely going to improve our squad - on the basis that we don't have a player like him really

But it's a hell of a lot of ££

Nixon also reporting deal broke down for hernandez over agent demands
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on August 30, 2016, 10:17:03 AM: Quote from: Marlon From Bearwood on August 30, 2016, 09:51:07 AM
Spoke to a Bristol City steward about Kodjia on Saturday. He'd said he's ok, no more than that.

Does Codja want out of Brizzle or do they not rate him and hence brought in the Chelsea loanee that scored on Saturday ?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sid1964 on August 30, 2016, 10:18:17 AM: If the Hernandez deal could not be done because of personal terms, how much did he want £70k+ per week is my guess

The players that we have signed recently are going to be on a lot more than the gang who are left from last season, who have taken up to 50% pay cuts, I wonder if there is any bad feeling between the players over this issue?

Does not take much down the Villa to get some dressing room disharmony!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: john e on August 30, 2016, 10:18:21 AM: I remember the days when if a player wanted an agent he payed him 10% out of his own money
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 30, 2016, 11:11:18 AM: Pity about Hernandez, looks a tidy player. However £20m is steep and I don't want us loading up the wage bill too much either, we know where that got us under Lerner.

See we have been linked with Uruguayan international Diego Rolan today. Don't know much about him, but has an impressive strike rate.

Maybe we will end up with Kodja and Rolan/Asombalonga/another striker now Hernandez has fallen through. Not convinced with Kodja, but hopefully he will add something.

Also read that the winger from Middlesboro turned us down. Not too bothered about that one, but hopefully we have another option lined up instead.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 30, 2016, 11:13:08 AM: I can't see us buying three very expensive strikers this summer (including McCormack)
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: nigel on August 30, 2016, 11:15:52 AM: Quote from: Matt Collins on August 30, 2016, 11:13:08 AM
I can't see us buying three very expensive strikers this summer (including McCormack)

I can, we'll be going out just to out score teams.
Looking forward to nail biting 6-4 victories :)
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: themossman on August 30, 2016, 11:16:43 AM: My slight concern, admittedly based on not much more than dodgy news sources, is that players seem to be giving us the swerve in a way they weren't earlier in the window. Have our performances so far dispelled the idea that we are likely promotion candidates? Are there rumblings amongst players that we're still basket case territory?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villatillidie25 on August 30, 2016, 11:22:33 AM: Quote from: themossman on August 30, 2016, 11:16:43 AM
My slight concern, admittedly based on not much more than dodgy news sources, is that players seem to be giving us the swerve in a way they weren't earlier in the window. Have our performances so far dispelled the idea that we are likely promotion candidates? Are there rumblings amongst players that we're still basket case territory?

Hopefully, the reason these last few deals are taking a bit of time to get over the line are because they have been the ones that have been rumbling on for the whole summer, rather than players suddenly changing their attitude towards us.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 30, 2016, 11:24:35 AM: look at it this way if Kodjia joins we have three strikers who have all scored 20 goals plus in this league. I'd be happy with that, even more so with Morrison , another keeper, and a Lescott replacement.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on August 30, 2016, 11:27:37 AM: So as I understand it the Hernandez deal is off. That of course can only mean one thing.

He will be a Villa player by the end of the day!!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Eckybloke on August 30, 2016, 11:36:53 AM: Federico Macheda has just left Cardiff.......

;)
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on August 30, 2016, 11:42:57 AM: Quote from: Eckybloke on August 30, 2016, 11:36:53 AM
Federico Macheda has just left Cardiff.......

;)

He looked quite good once. Unfortunately it was against us.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: itbrvilla on August 30, 2016, 11:48:25 AM: I'm surprised we haven't got any loans in.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on August 30, 2016, 11:51:59 AM: I'd be happy with Kodjia despite the price. Add Morrison as the CAM and that'd suit me

But where are our scouts and what are they doing to earn their money? why are we only linked with the seemingly obvious big money names? where are the scouts out there trawling Europe and the planet for the next Kodjia, Hernandez, McCormack, Assombalonga before they become hugely expensive ?

It's all very lazy looking from the outside
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on August 30, 2016, 11:55:33 AM: Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on August 30, 2016, 11:51:59 AM

I'd be happy with Kodjia despite the price. Add Morrison as the CAM and that'd suit me

But where are our scouts and what are they doing to earn their money? why are we only linked with the seemingly obvious big money names? where are the scouts out there trawling Europe and the planet for the next Kodjia, Hernandez, McCormack, Assombalonga before they become hugely expensive ?

It's all very lazy looking from the outside

We would just say we were bargain basement shopping again if we did.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: passitsideways on August 30, 2016, 11:58:10 AM: Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on August 30, 2016, 11:11:18 AM
Pity about Hernandez, looks a tidy player. However £20m is steep and I don't want us loading up the wage bill too much either, we know where that got us under Lerner.

See we have been linked with Uruguayan international Diego Rolan today. Don't know much about him, but has an impressive strike rate.

Maybe we will end up with Kodja and Rolan/Asombalonga/another striker now Hernandez has fallen through. Not convinced with Kodja, but hopefully he will add something.

Also read that the winger from Middlesboro turned us down. Not too bothered about that one, but hopefully we have another option lined up instead.

Weren't we linked with Rolan last summer as well? Wonder what Mattia Destro's up to these days as well.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on August 30, 2016, 12:04:39 PM: Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on August 30, 2016, 11:55:33 AM
Quote from: sirlordbaltimore on August 30, 2016, 11:51:59 AM

I'd be happy with Kodjia despite the price. Add Morrison as the CAM and that'd suit me

But where are our scouts and what are they doing to earn their money? why are we only linked with the seemingly obvious big money names? where are the scouts out there trawling Europe and the planet for the next Kodjia, Hernandez, McCormack, Assombalonga before they become hugely expensive ?

It's all very lazy looking from the outside

We would just say we were bargain basement shopping again if we did.

Would we? who cares how much someone costs if they're doing the job they're paid to do ?

All those mentioned cost a fraction of what they're valued at now, you just have to find them and give them a go. Even the dogheads have found a goalscorer from Iceland for a million I think it was. Yet we just seem to want to splash out huge money because someones 'done it before'. Doesn't mean they'll definitely do it again obviously

I do wonder if the Dr is a bit too eager to show he has money rather than get good deals done for the right price

Just my view
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: citizenDJ on August 30, 2016, 12:06:25 PM: I think thats a bit harsh - whatever the money he has sent, it is all on proven Championship players - that's not a bad strategy to my mind.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 30, 2016, 12:06:42 PM: We're still lacking another centre midfielder, a wide player - especially if Adama Traore, and Agbonlahor aren't going to be used, and a striker who can do a bit of everything...
Can't see many coming in before tomorrow's deadline.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 30, 2016, 12:07:54 PM: Quote from: citizenDJ on August 30, 2016, 12:06:25 PM
I think thats a bit harsh - whatever the money he has sent, it is all on proven Championship players - that's not a bad strategy to my mind.
that's the level we're at, so it makes sense to buy players that know what they're doing at this level. The Darren Huckerby lot.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 30, 2016, 12:11:06 PM: Quote from: themossman on August 30, 2016, 11:16:43 AM
My slight concern, admittedly based on not much more than dodgy news sources, is that players seem to be giving us the swerve in a way they weren't earlier in the window. Have our performances so far dispelled the idea that we are likely promotion candidates? Are there rumblings amongst players that we're still basket case territory?
Based on recent history and this seasons results, you don't need a Sherlock Homes intuition to come to that conclusion.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on August 30, 2016, 12:12:25 PM: Quote from: citizenDJ on August 30, 2016, 12:06:25 PM
I think thats a bit harsh - whatever the money he has sent, it is all on proven Championship players - that's not a bad strategy to my mind.

I know this but I don't get the must be proven in the championship mantra
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 30, 2016, 12:15:36 PM: I get the championship mantra

I don't get why we didn't deploy it for the keeper position though!!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 30, 2016, 12:16:24 PM: Hull are now in for Ayew
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on August 30, 2016, 12:17:11 PM: Quote from: N'ZMAV on August 30, 2016, 12:06:42 PM
We're still lacking another centre midfielder, a wide player - especially if Adama Traore, and Agbonlahor aren't going to be used, and a striker who can do a bit of everything...
Can't see many coming in before tomorrow's deadline.

Plus another centre half. Plenty still to do.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tuscans on August 30, 2016, 12:25:32 PM: I don't think at this moment in time we have a great scouting network. That might be where Round comes in poss.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tuscans on August 30, 2016, 12:27:42 PM: Maybe
Quote from: mr underhill on August 30, 2016, 12:16:24 PM
Hull are now in for Ayew
A makeweight for Hernandez?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: saunders_heroes on August 30, 2016, 12:30:17 PM: Quote from: mr underhill on August 30, 2016, 12:16:24 PM
Hull are now in for Ayew

Where have you heard that?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: OCD on August 30, 2016, 12:30:30 PM: Quote from: Tuscans on August 30, 2016, 12:25:32 PM
I don't think at this moment in time we have a great scouting network. That might be where Round comes in poss.

That's been acknowledged before and would be part of Round's job.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 30, 2016, 12:38:23 PM: OM also interested in Ayew. media in France reporting Kodjia in for £17m on a four year deal
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: themossman on August 30, 2016, 12:41:29 PM: Quote from: ChicagoLion on August 30, 2016, 12:11:06 PM
Quote from: themossman on August 30, 2016, 11:16:43 AM
My slight concern, admittedly based on not much more than dodgy news sources, is that players seem to be giving us the swerve in a way they weren't earlier in the window. Have our performances so far dispelled the idea that we are likely promotion candidates? Are there rumblings amongst players that we're still basket case territory?
Based on recent history and this seasons results, you don't need a Sherlock Homes intuition to come to that conclusion.

Yes. So what's your point? I don't know how relevant recent history prior to the summer is. We have had a close season to fix the problems and a new owner/manager to do the fixing. A few weeks ago you'd have been forgiven for believing we were going to tear the league up, given the arrival of players like McCormack.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tayls_7 on August 30, 2016, 12:42:59 PM: Excited that we're going to do some good business today. A double deal for Hernandez and Snodgrass would be lovely with Ayew and Richards heading the other way. I heard that Tone was on a day out to Aberdovey yesterday hence out of radio contact.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: chrisw1 on August 30, 2016, 12:43:31 PM: These prices are unbelievable.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 30, 2016, 12:46:41 PM: We need to improve our strike force. Why the Hell would we want to lose our best forward?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mallo on August 30, 2016, 12:47:06 PM: I would hope Kodjia / McCormack / Gestede would get enough goals to get us top 6. It seems silly money though but I'm not too bothered about that right now as we need someone like him. I think I'd have preferred Afobe / Assombalonga but hey.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tayls_7 on August 30, 2016, 12:49:06 PM: Quote from: cdbullyweefan on August 30, 2016, 12:46:41 PM
We need to improve our strike force. Why the Hell would we want to lose our best forward?

Because if Ayew is our best forward we're humped ?????????
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 30, 2016, 12:49:06 PM: Dwight Gayle cost £10m and I think Afobe was the same

I'd much rather have them for that price than Kodjia for £15m+

(I think - I've not really seen enough to be sure)
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 30, 2016, 12:54:16 PM: Quote from: Tayls_7 on August 30, 2016, 12:49:06 PM
Quote from: cdbullyweefan on August 30, 2016, 12:46:41 PM
We need to improve our strike force. Why the Hell would we want to lose our best forward?

Because if Ayew is our best forward we're humped ?????????

He's a fantastic player. Easily one of the best forwards in the division and losing him as a makeweight for a bloke who is surplus to requirements at Hull fucking City would be the worst decision made anywhere since the people of Germany thought "we should give this bloke with a moustache a chance".
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Holte L2 on August 30, 2016, 12:54:37 PM: Kodjia's been the striker I've wanted all summer so I'm delighted.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 30, 2016, 12:56:06 PM: Quote from: themossman on August 30, 2016, 12:41:29 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on August 30, 2016, 12:11:06 PM
Quote from: themossman on August 30, 2016, 11:16:43 AM
My slight concern, admittedly based on not much more than dodgy news sources, is that players seem to be giving us the swerve in a way they weren't earlier in the window. Have our performances so far dispelled the idea that we are likely promotion candidates? Are there rumblings amongst players that we're still basket case territory?
Based on recent history and this seasons results, you don't need a Sherlock Homes intuition to come to that conclusion.

Yes. So what's your point? I don't know how relevant recent history prior to the summer is. We have had a close season to fix the problems and a new owner/manager to do the fixing. A few weeks ago you'd have been forgiven for believing we were going to tear the league up, given the arrival of players like McCormack.
my point is I am agreeing with you.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tuscans on August 30, 2016, 12:57:50 PM: A few places saying Kod done for £17 million. Probably 12-13 million with future add ons.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Chris Smith on August 30, 2016, 12:59:26 PM: Quote from: chrisw1 on August 30, 2016, 12:43:31 PM
These prices are unbelievable.

They are but with each new TV deal transfer fees rise exponentially.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on August 30, 2016, 12:59:43 PM: Quote from: cdbullyweefan on August 30, 2016, 12:54:16 PM
He's a fantastic player. Easily one of the best forwards in the division and losing him as a makeweight for a bloke who is surplus to requirements at Hull fucking City would be the worst decision made anywhere since the people of Germany thought "we should give this bloke with a moustache a chance".

Wow :o

Don't know where to begin with that
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tayls_7 on August 30, 2016, 12:59:52 PM: Quote from: cdbullyweefan on August 30, 2016, 12:54:16 PM
Quote from: Tayls_7 on August 30, 2016, 12:49:06 PM
Quote from: cdbullyweefan on August 30, 2016, 12:46:41 PM
We need to improve our strike force. Why the Hell would we want to lose our best forward?

Because if Ayew is our best forward we're humped ?????????

He's a fantastic player. Easily one of the best forwards in the division and losing him as a makeweight for a bloke who is surplus to requirements at Hull fucking City would be the worst decision made anywhere since the people of Germany thought "we should give this bloke with a moustache a chance".

Ayew won't be the success at Villa you expect him to be. We have a fine tradition of being mugged off by these talented mecurial types and I think he'll be the next.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 30, 2016, 01:02:08 PM: Based on what? The fact that he's been our best player for the last year?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sid1964 on August 30, 2016, 01:02:20 PM: I just hope that we get promoted in the next 2 seasons, otherwise we may find ourselves in financial trouble!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 30, 2016, 01:02:29 PM: £17 million seems an enormous amount of money for Kodija, but again if he fires us to promotion I guess it's worth it.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 30, 2016, 01:02:43 PM: Quote from: cdbullyweefan on August 30, 2016, 12:54:16 PM
Quote from: Tayls_7 on August 30, 2016, 12:49:06 PM
Quote from: cdbullyweefan on August 30, 2016, 12:46:41 PM
We need to improve our strike force. Why the Hell would we want to lose our best forward?

Because if Ayew is our best forward we're humped ?????????

He's a fantastic player. Easily one of the best forwards in the division and losing him as a makeweight for a bloke who is surplus to requirements at Hull fucking City would be the worst decision made anywhere since the people of Germany thought "we should give this bloke with a moustache a chance".
I thought Rudi Voller did OK for them.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tayls_7 on August 30, 2016, 01:03:36 PM: Quote from: cdbullyweefan on August 30, 2016, 01:02:08 PM
Based on what? The fact that he's been our best player for the last year?

Can I go to your next rewarding success dinner please?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 30, 2016, 01:03:40 PM: Please don't mention him while I'm having my lunch. It always makes me think of the Rijkaard incident!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 30, 2016, 01:04:10 PM: Quote from: Tayls_7 on August 30, 2016, 01:03:36 PM
Quote from: cdbullyweefan on August 30, 2016, 01:02:08 PM
Based on what? The fact that he's been our best player for the last year?

Can I go to your next rewarding success dinner please?

You've lost me.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 30, 2016, 01:05:26 PM: Kodjia is big, strong and fast. He's at a good age too and should be entering the best years of his career. We are creating loads of chances and betwee him and Ross we should be now able to put them away.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: themossman on August 30, 2016, 01:06:02 PM: Quote from: ChicagoLion on August 30, 2016, 12:56:06 PM
Quote from: themossman on August 30, 2016, 12:41:29 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on August 30, 2016, 12:11:06 PM
Quote from: themossman on August 30, 2016, 11:16:43 AM
My slight concern, admittedly based on not much more than dodgy news sources, is that players seem to be giving us the swerve in a way they weren't earlier in the window. Have our performances so far dispelled the idea that we are likely promotion candidates? Are there rumblings amongst players that we're still basket case territory?
Based on recent history and this seasons results, you don't need a Sherlock Homes intuition to come to that conclusion.

Yes. So what's your point? I don't know how relevant recent history prior to the summer is. We have had a close season to fix the problems and a new owner/manager to do the fixing. A few weeks ago you'd have been forgiven for believing we were going to tear the league up, given the arrival of players like McCormack.
my point is I am agreeing with you.

Well I'll, er, wind my bloody neck in then! ;-)
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 30, 2016, 01:06:13 PM: Quote from: Tayls_7 on August 30, 2016, 01:03:36 PM
Quote from: cdbullyweefan on August 30, 2016, 01:02:08 PM
Based on what? The fact that he's been our best player for the last year?

Can I go to your next rewarding success dinner please?
That is very good.
I will hire a van.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 30, 2016, 01:06:58 PM: No problem with Kodjia coming in. He seems to have pace and height so can play alongside Gestede or instead of him.

With him, Ayew, McCormack and Gestede battling for places up front we should score loads!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 30, 2016, 01:08:00 PM: I find it funny how some people have decided Ayew is rubbish after one poor game. He's a good player and we shouldn't be losing him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on August 30, 2016, 01:13:03 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 30, 2016, 01:08:00 PM
I find it funny how some people have decided Ayew is rubbish after one poor game. He's a good player and we shouldn't be losing him.

He's not rubbish, he's just bloody frustrating to watch sometimes.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 30, 2016, 01:13:33 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 30, 2016, 01:08:00 PM
I find it funny how some people have decided Ayew is rubbish after one poor game. He's a good player and we shouldn't be losing him.

^^

Talks sense.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tuscans on August 30, 2016, 01:13:37 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 30, 2016, 01:08:00 PM
I find it funny how some people have decided Ayew is rubbish after one poor game. He's a good player and we shouldn't be losing him.
Yep. A lot of it seems to be because of his face or his lack of celebration on the weekend. Who cares!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 30, 2016, 01:13:40 PM: I don't think it's that he's rubbish but it does make you wonder what he offers and where he fits in. He's a very talented footballer but he doesn't score many goals, he could set up more. He seems to sulk a lot, but then we all know he works hard. He's just an odd player and person to figure out.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 30, 2016, 01:14:03 PM: Quote from: Clampy on August 30, 2016, 01:13:03 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 30, 2016, 01:08:00 PM
I find it funny how some people have decided Ayew is rubbish after one poor game. He's a good player and we shouldn't be losing him.

He's not rubbish, he's just bloody frustrating to watch sometimes.

I get that, but some people seem to want to kick him out of the door. He could slaughter this league if he gets more focussed on team play.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: glasses on August 30, 2016, 01:15:37 PM: Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 30, 2016, 01:13:40 PM
I don't think it's that he's rubbish but it does make you wonder what he offers and where he fits in. He's a very talented footballer but he doesn't score many goals, he could set up more. He seems to sulk a lot, but then we all know he works hard. He's just an odd player and person to figure out.
I think i'm with you on this. I just don't get him
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: themossman on August 30, 2016, 01:16:20 PM: Absolutely. If we lose him and get a good championship level no. 9 in we'll have gone backwards in my opinion, and will seriously lack creativity.

I never thought he would be a prolific scorer, even in this league, but he is a cut above and his work rate and skill will always create opportunities for others.

He should ultimately be the main source of goals for this mythical no. 9 when they arrive, unless we are going to buy more midfielders and change our approach significantly.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ROBBO on August 30, 2016, 01:18:08 PM: Ayew is a good player who is being played out of position, not brilliant but a cut above his team mates.
Havn't followed any of the players we are being linked with but the money makes your eyes water.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on August 30, 2016, 01:18:29 PM: Dr Tony on the Midland Red
Went to Aberdovey via Machynlleth
Lescott took the plane to Greece
And made us one big cunthlleth
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on August 30, 2016, 01:19:28 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 30, 2016, 01:14:03 PM
Quote from: Clampy on August 30, 2016, 01:13:03 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 30, 2016, 01:08:00 PM
I find it funny how some people have decided Ayew is rubbish after one poor game. He's a good player and we shouldn't be losing him.

He's not rubbish, he's just bloody frustrating to watch sometimes.

I get that, but some people seem to want to kick him out of the door. He could slaughter this league if he gets more focussed on team play.

The trouble is that he's becoming less and less a team player and more and more a Zog tribute act.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Richard E on August 30, 2016, 01:19:56 PM: Quote from: glasses on August 30, 2016, 01:15:37 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 30, 2016, 01:13:40 PM
I don't think it's that he's rubbish but it does make you wonder what he offers and where he fits in. He's a very talented footballer but he doesn't score many goals, he could set up more. He seems to sulk a lot, but then we all know he works hard. He's just an odd player and person to figure out.
I think i'm with you on this. I just don't get him

I agree, I think he might just be right player, wrong time/team.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 30, 2016, 01:20:42 PM: I'd say that's a bit premature after 5 games of this season.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 30, 2016, 01:20:47 PM: Quote from: ROBBO on August 30, 2016, 01:18:08 PM
Ayew is a good player who is being played out of position, not brilliant but a cut above his team mates.
Havn't followed any of the players we are being linked with but the money makes your eyes water.
I am not sure what his position is.
He is very talented but I don't see that his talent matches his contribution.
Not a team player.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on August 30, 2016, 01:23:16 PM: Talking of making chances, McCormack has created more goal-scoring chances than any other Championship player this season with 18.

He's doing his part of the two man striker partnership. Now we just need to find the other half
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oldtimernow on August 30, 2016, 01:26:02 PM: Quote from: brian green on August 30, 2016, 01:18:29 PM
Dr Tony on the Midland Red
Went to Aberdovey via Machynlleth
Lescott took the plane to Greece
And made us one big cunthlleth

I liketh a lot
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 30, 2016, 01:26:43 PM: RM should have scored more than one though
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: glasses on August 30, 2016, 01:32:49 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 30, 2016, 01:20:42 PM
I'd say that's a bit premature after 5 games of this season.
He played all last year too.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tayls_7 on August 30, 2016, 01:34:06 PM: Ayew is talented but I am not adverse to cashing in on him now while he remains a saleable commodity and bringing in more practical players who in my view would better help us achieve promotion. He is in no way indispensible and I don't rate him nearly as highly as some fans obviously do.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: themossman on August 30, 2016, 01:36:16 PM: Quote from: Tayls_7 on August 30, 2016, 01:34:06 PM
Ayew is talented but I am not adverse to cashing in on him now while he remains a saleable commodity and bringing in more practical players who in my view would better help us achieve promotion. He is in no way indispensible and I don't rate him nearly as highly as some fans obviously do.

Presumably though he's got one of those absurd clauses we specialise in and we'd sell him for one third of a Hernandez? If so really not worth it.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villafirst on August 30, 2016, 01:38:45 PM: Tony said a few weeks ago that Ayew is going nowhere....
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: themossman on August 30, 2016, 01:39:03 PM: Quote from: glasses on August 30, 2016, 01:32:49 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 30, 2016, 01:20:42 PM
I'd say that's a bit premature after 5 games of this season.
He played all last year too.

When he was probably our best player in a generally shambolic set up.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brontebilly on August 30, 2016, 01:43:09 PM: Quote from: Tuscans on August 30, 2016, 01:13:37 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 30, 2016, 01:08:00 PM
I find it funny how some people have decided Ayew is rubbish after one poor game. He's a good player and we shouldn't be losing him.
Yep. A lot of it seems to be because of his face or his lack of celebration on the weekend. Who cares!

His scoring record for us seems to be 8 goals in 43 appearances across all comps - http://www.soccerbase.com/players/player.sd?player_id=56636&season_id=149.

I cant imagine his record of assists is great either.

Think he is a decent player but isnt delivering enough really either.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 30, 2016, 01:44:06 PM: He's missed some very good chances and been too selfish

But he's one of the most talented players in the league and I'd keep him unless we have to sell or get the opportunity to get in a brilliant right winger
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 30, 2016, 01:46:17 PM: If it were a choice of having Kodjia and Hernandez I would sacrifice Ayew for it.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tuscans on August 30, 2016, 01:46:48 PM: Quote from: brontebilly on August 30, 2016, 01:43:09 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on August 30, 2016, 01:13:37 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 30, 2016, 01:08:00 PM
I find it funny how some people have decided Ayew is rubbish after one poor game. He's a good player and we shouldn't be losing him.
Yep. A lot of it seems to be because of his face or his lack of celebration on the weekend. Who cares!

His scoring record for us seems to be 8 goals in 43 appearances across all comps - http://www.soccerbase.com/players/player.sd?player_id=56636&season_id=149.

I cant imagine his record of assists is great either.

Think he is a decent player but isnt delivering enough really either.
That in last seasons team was triffic, just triffic.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Gareth on August 30, 2016, 01:47:49 PM: Quote from: Villafirst on August 30, 2016, 01:38:45 PM
Tony said a few weeks ago that Ayew is going nowhere....

As I've said all summer the L'Orient chairman could have said the same last summer but Ayew & his agents forced his way out....no doubt if they want him gone this window they will do the same.

He is clearly a very talented player, his record doesn't suggest he's a finisher & the angry surliness is not something I want to watch, just comes across as a petulant child.

'If' he is on message then keep him as he will be one of the best players in the league, if not (& only RDM & co will know that) then get shot of him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 30, 2016, 01:51:40 PM: The whole front unit is pretty dysfunctional at the moment. But Ayew, Grealish and McCormack have hardly played together so far. If they have no patterns to their play by January then I think it is reasonable to look for alternatives but it is a little unfair at the moment, specially without a decent front man to spearhead the attack.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tuscans on August 30, 2016, 01:53:52 PM: On paper we could probably have the best team in the league after the window closes. On the pitch though ....
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: old man villa fan on August 30, 2016, 01:59:04 PM: Quote from: Tuscans on August 30, 2016, 01:53:52 PM
On paper we could probably have the best team in the league after the window closes. On the pitch though ....

Turning 11 individuals into a team takes time.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 30, 2016, 01:59:31 PM: Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 30, 2016, 01:51:40 PM
The whole front unit is pretty dysfunctional at the moment. But Ayew, Grealish and McCormack have hardly played together so far. If they have no patterns to their play by January then I think it is reasonable to look for alternatives but it is a little unfair at the moment, specially without a decent front man to spearhead the attack.
we don't have the luxury of time.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KevinGage on August 30, 2016, 02:01:08 PM: I like McCormack, but if the Kodjia comes in at £17 million, we'll have spent £30 million on two Championship forwards.

For that money, you'd want the type of quality that might give you a chance back up in the top flight an' all.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 30, 2016, 02:03:02 PM: there's a poster on VT with a good record of predicting transfers who thinks Morrison is on his way to B6
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 30, 2016, 02:05:07 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on August 30, 2016, 01:46:17 PM
If it were a choice of having Kodjia and Hernandez I would sacrifice Ayew for it.

Agreed.

He has talent, but no end product. Plus I don't like him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on August 30, 2016, 02:09:13 PM: When we signed Ayew from L'Orient I think it was BE who said the French media had Ayew with the lowest shots to goals ratio in the whole of Ligue Un by some distance. He is an outstanding approach player but does not score anywhere near as much as he should. I would keep him just for the quality of his football.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tuscans on August 30, 2016, 02:10:44 PM: Quote from: old man villa fan on August 30, 2016, 01:59:04 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on August 30, 2016, 01:53:52 PM
On paper we could probably have the best team in the league after the window closes. On the pitch though ....

Turning 11 individuals into a team takes time.
Agree and think it will happen, it can't be worse than last year surely.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tuscans on August 30, 2016, 02:12:41 PM: Quote from: ChicagoLion on August 30, 2016, 01:59:31 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 30, 2016, 01:51:40 PM
The whole front unit is pretty dysfunctional at the moment. But Ayew, Grealish and McCormack have hardly played together so far. If they have no patterns to their play by January then I think it is reasonable to look for alternatives but it is a little unfair at the moment, specially without a decent front man to spearhead the attack.
we don't have the luxury of time.
I think be it only 3 weeks into the season this is when you do have the luxury of time.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 30, 2016, 02:19:20 PM: Quote from: Tuscans on August 30, 2016, 02:12:41 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on August 30, 2016, 01:59:31 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 30, 2016, 01:51:40 PM
The whole front unit is pretty dysfunctional at the moment. But Ayew, Grealish and McCormack have hardly played together so far. If they have no patterns to their play by January then I think it is reasonable to look for alternatives but it is a little unfair at the moment, specially without a decent front man to spearhead the attack.
we don't have the luxury of time.
I think be it only 3 weeks into the season this is when you do have the luxury of time.
he is talked Ng January, if we have not sorted out our attacking function by then it will be too late.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tuscans on August 30, 2016, 02:21:13 PM: Quote from: ChicagoLion on August 30, 2016, 02:19:20 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on August 30, 2016, 02:12:41 PM
Quote from: ChicagoLion on August 30, 2016, 01:59:31 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 30, 2016, 01:51:40 PM
The whole front unit is pretty dysfunctional at the moment. But Ayew, Grealish and McCormack have hardly played together so far. If they have no patterns to their play by January then I think it is reasonable to look for alternatives but it is a little unfair at the moment, specially without a decent front man to spearhead the attack.
we don't have the luxury of time.
I think be it only 3 weeks into the season this is when you do have the luxury of time.
he is talked Ng January, if we have not sorted out our attacking function by then it will be too late.
You made a bloody good point then.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oldhill_avfc on August 30, 2016, 02:22:49 PM: Quote from: ASHTONVILLA on August 30, 2016, 02:05:07 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 30, 2016, 01:46:17 PM
If it were a choice of having Kodjia and Hernandez I would sacrifice Ayew for it.

Agreed.

He has talent, but no end product. Plus I don't like him.

Not sure what those who think he's talented see.

Never impresses when leading the line and unbalances the midfield when out wide.

Don't like him either - flatters to deceive. Get rid.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 30, 2016, 02:26:13 PM: Kodjia to be completed tomorrow morning according to Sky's chief news beard
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: villadelph on August 30, 2016, 02:37:40 PM: Palace now with Benteke and Remy.. that could be a handful to deal with.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on August 30, 2016, 02:38:07 PM: Quote from: villadelph on August 30, 2016, 02:37:40 PM
Palace now with Benteke and Remy.. that could be a handful to deal with.

Sack Pardew and they'll have a good set up there.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: MalcolmP on August 30, 2016, 02:40:30 PM: Is Kodjia the 'World Class' no.9 Tony told us about!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on August 30, 2016, 02:41:04 PM: Quote from: MalcolmP on August 30, 2016, 02:40:30 PM
Is Kodjia the 'World Class' no.9 Tony told us about!

If he scores 20 goals again this season will anybody care about the application of the definition?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: villadelph on August 30, 2016, 02:42:56 PM: 15mil and 3 points sounds like astute business for Bristol City.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: godzvilla on August 30, 2016, 02:44:19 PM: Quote from: brontebilly on August 30, 2016, 01:43:09 PM
Quote from: Tuscans on August 30, 2016, 01:13:37 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 30, 2016, 01:08:00 PM
I find it funny how some people have decided Ayew is rubbish after one poor game. He's a good player and we shouldn't be losing him.
Yep. A lot of it seems to be because of his face or his lack of celebration on the weekend. Who cares!

His scoring record for us seems to be 8 goals in 43 appearances across all comps - http://www.soccerbase.com/players/player.sd?player_id=56636&season_id=149.

I cant imagine his record of assists is great either.

Think he is a decent player but isnt delivering enough really either.

Flatters to deceive and quite possibly , given some of his recent ( selfish ) displays, has been playing for a move ...................Godzvilla!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Pat McMahon on August 30, 2016, 02:46:22 PM: Quote from: brian green on August 30, 2016, 02:09:13 PM
When we signed Ayew from L'Orient I think it was BE who said the French media had Ayew with the lowest shots to goals ratio in the whole of Ligue Un by some distance. He is an outstanding approach player but does not score anywhere near as much as he should. I would keep him just for the quality of his football.

I think It was BE whose neighbour described Ayew as a "tete de noed" or bellend.

My own mates thought he was ok but not spectacular "about right for Lorient"
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Yeltzer on August 30, 2016, 02:47:00 PM: Dr Tone says new striker to be announced in an hour!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Pat McMahon on August 30, 2016, 02:49:19 PM: Quote from: mr underhill on August 30, 2016, 02:03:02 PM
there's a poster on VT with a good record of predicting transfers who thinks Morrison is on his way to B6

Clinton or Van?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Chris Smith on August 30, 2016, 02:49:19 PM: Quote from: mr underhill on August 30, 2016, 02:26:13 PM
Kodjia to be completed tomorrow morning according to Sky's chief news beard

What age is he, we don't want to sign an old Kodjia?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Yeltzer on August 30, 2016, 02:49:49 PM: Confirmed. Kodjia. On the avfc Twitter official thingy
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tuscans on August 30, 2016, 02:50:07 PM: Quote from: MalcolmP on August 30, 2016, 02:40:30 PM
Is Kodjia the 'World Class' no.9 Tony told us about!

You thought it was Neymar didn't you!?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Chris Jameson on August 30, 2016, 02:50:54 PM: I never knew Bristol City had a world class striker on their books.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tuscans on August 30, 2016, 02:52:06 PM: I'm going to say it, I think he will get a similar cult following that Benteke did ... I like the look of the gangly bugga.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 30, 2016, 02:52:27 PM: Quote from: MalcolmP on August 30, 2016, 02:40:30 PM
Is Kodjia the 'World Class' no.9 Tony told us about!

I think that was Hernandez. Kodjia is only 26 and just had a good season, lets hope he kicks on with the Villa and looks like a bargain next season.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: villadelph on August 30, 2016, 02:52:42 PM: ‏@Dr_TonyXia: We'll announce the striker in an hour. I think it's the best choice for us !#UTV @AVFCOfficial
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tuscans on August 30, 2016, 02:53:21 PM: Quote from: villadelph on August 30, 2016, 02:52:42 PM
‏@Dr_TonyXia: We'll announce the striker in an hour. I think it's the best choice for us !#UTV @AVFCOfficial

Already done mate, on twitter confirmed
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 30, 2016, 02:53:35 PM: Quote from: Chris Jameson on August 30, 2016, 02:50:54 PM
I never knew Bristol City had a world class striker on their books.
They don't now[twitacc][/twitacc]
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tuscans on August 30, 2016, 02:53:55 PM: https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/770618440088334336
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: villadelph on August 30, 2016, 02:56:30 PM: (http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m257/thebillsman/7110b22b-afb7-426b-8d10-d0f3f20c11e1.png)
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 30, 2016, 03:00:00 PM: great now let's have a few more before the deadline please!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 30, 2016, 03:03:21 PM: Think we're done now and won't be getting anyone else in
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on August 30, 2016, 03:03:46 PM: As he signs up we 'll do the poll will Johnathan Kajagoogoo score 20 or more goals in this league season
Yes hush hush he comfortably will
OR
No Too shy shy

Please can we do this ?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on August 30, 2016, 03:05:22 PM: Quote from: footyskillz on August 30, 2016, 03:03:46 PM
As he signs up we 'll do the poll will Johnathan Kajagoogoo score 20 or more goals in this league season
Yes hush hush he comfortably will
OR
No Too shy shy

Please can we do this ?

Nope.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: themossman on August 30, 2016, 03:06:46 PM: Re Kodjia. My Bristol City supporting mate seems ambivalent. He says he is the sort of player who is very uninspiring to watch and looks like he can't trap a bag of cement, not good at hold up play or at all skillful, but is very fast and knows where the net is. Sounded like he was describing a sort of poor man's Darren Bent. So that is probably what we need. But the money is insane. They spent £2m on the guy a year ago.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on August 30, 2016, 03:08:05 PM: Quote from: mr underhill on August 30, 2016, 03:00:00 PM
great now let's have a few more before the deadline please!

I'm content but would ageee a few more esp if we lose a few players. What are you thinking ? In which areas . Ideally jack Wilshire on loan ! for midfield. Callum mcmanamum or Albert adomah.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on August 30, 2016, 03:08:48 PM: Sly Sports reporting that we may also be in for Jordan Rhodes or some other foreign bloke from Middlesbrough.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on August 30, 2016, 03:09:12 PM: Quote from: Dave on August 30, 2016, 03:05:22 PM
Quote from: footyskillz on August 30, 2016, 03:03:46 PM
As he signs up we 'll do the poll will Johnathan Kajagoogoo score 20 or more goals in this league season
Yes hush hush he comfortably will
OR
No Too shy shy

Please can we do this ?

Nope.

Ok 30 goals ??
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: villadelph on August 30, 2016, 03:09:21 PM: Quote from: themossman on August 30, 2016, 03:06:46 PM
Re Kodjia. My Bristol City supporting mate seems ambivalent. He says he is the sort of player who is very uninspiring to watch and looks like he can't trap a bag of cement, not good at hold up play or at all skillful, but is very fast and knows where the net is. Sounded like he was describing a sort of poor man's Darren Bent. So that is probably what we need. But the money is insane. They spent £2m on the guy a year ago.

Inspiring!

:-\
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 30, 2016, 03:09:28 PM: Another central midfielder, please Bob.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on August 30, 2016, 03:10:57 PM: Quote from: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on August 30, 2016, 03:08:48 PM
Sly Sports reporting that we may also be in for Jordan Rhodes or some other foreign bloke from Middlesbrough.

Albert adomah and he is more likely to leave . Rhodes only mentioned about leaving club if players come in. Never linked in that sky sports news broadcast just then only albie adomah ...
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 30, 2016, 03:11:22 PM: Quote from: villadelph on August 30, 2016, 02:52:42 PM
‏@Dr_TonyXia: We'll announce the striker in an hour. I think it's the best choice for us !#UTV @AVFCOfficial

Picking hairs, but I'd prefer it if he was the manager's preference rather than the chairman's.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 30, 2016, 03:12:38 PM: Quote from: villadelph on August 30, 2016, 03:09:21 PM
Quote from: themossman on August 30, 2016, 03:06:46 PM
Re Kodjia. My Bristol City supporting mate seems ambivalent. He says he is the sort of player who is very uninspiring to watch and looks like he can't trap a bag of cement, not good at hold up play or at all skillful, but is very fast and knows where the net is. Sounded like he was describing a sort of poor man's Darren Bent. So that is probably what we need. But the money is insane. They spent £2m on the guy a year ago.

Inspiring!

:-\

opinions opinions , look at Benteke reports from Belgium said he was not worth 7 mil so lets see
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: themossman on August 30, 2016, 03:13:17 PM: Quote from: villadelph on August 30, 2016, 03:09:21 PM
Quote from: themossman on August 30, 2016, 03:06:46 PM
Re Kodjia. My Bristol City supporting mate seems ambivalent. He says he is the sort of player who is very uninspiring to watch and looks like he can't trap a bag of cement, not good at hold up play or at all skillful, but is very fast and knows where the net is. Sounded like he was describing a sort of poor man's Darren Bent. So that is probably what we need. But the money is insane. They spent £2m on the guy a year ago.

Inspiring!

:-\

Ha ha. He was slightly less negative than I made it sound. He made the valid point that his 20 goals were in a struggling team without much service (though I guess you sort of could say the same for Gestede!)
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 30, 2016, 03:37:15 PM: Winger/creative player now please.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villafirst on August 30, 2016, 03:43:24 PM: Cover for CB needed. Okore, Lescott gone, Toner loaned out. Richards likely to go. Only really leaves Baker??
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cyrilina on August 30, 2016, 03:44:28 PM: The BBC says the deal starts at £11Million for the record.....
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on August 30, 2016, 03:45:52 PM: When this is all over can we do a poll!
About how happy with signings
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 30, 2016, 03:53:30 PM: Quote from: Villafirst on August 30, 2016, 03:43:24 PM
Cover for CB needed. Okore, Lescott gone, Toner loaned out. Richards likely to go. Only really leaves Baker??

Yep that's true.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: darren woolley on August 30, 2016, 04:00:25 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 30, 2016, 03:37:15 PM
Winger/creative player now please.

This.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: avfcpg on August 30, 2016, 04:03:38 PM: Quote from: Dante Lavelli on August 30, 2016, 03:11:22 PM
Quote from: villadelph on August 30, 2016, 02:52:42 PM
‏@Dr_TonyXia: We'll announce the striker in an hour. I think it's the best choice for us !#UTV @AVFCOfficial

Picking hairs, but I'd prefer it if he was the manager's preference rather than the chairman's.
Pretty much says it's right for 'us'.. being Aston Villa.
I can live with that... although I can see how it could be interpreted.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: rob_bridge on August 30, 2016, 04:06:20 PM: CB and CM please
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on August 30, 2016, 04:13:01 PM: I think that's probably it, and if we can't at least hit the play off spots with this squad frankly we don't deserve to

Have to wonder what happened to the CM the Dr said we were very close to last week though
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 30, 2016, 04:15:38 PM: Quote from: footyskillz on August 30, 2016, 03:45:52 PM
When this is all over can we do a poll!
About how happy with signings
Hey footyskillz, why not just do your own Poll?
It's pretty easy.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Proposition Joe on August 30, 2016, 04:20:08 PM: Quote from: rob_bridge on August 30, 2016, 04:06:20 PM
CB and CM please

Yes, another CM who can break up play and link to the forward players would be ideal. No point signing 20 goal a season forwards if we can't get out of our own half once teams start to press us.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Richard on August 30, 2016, 04:21:40 PM: Think I make it 13 out including loans (but not any youngsters like Kinsella) and 8 in, so it will take time for this to all come together - need to be patient but expecting us to be Top 6 by Xmas and then push on.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Richard E on August 30, 2016, 04:23:43 PM: keith wyness ‏@retsub12 2m2 minutes ago
for those asking, we will be working right up to 23.30 tmw night. No promises but we will always be looking to support RDM #fightlikelions
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Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 30, 2016, 04:24:23 PM: Utility defender and a winger now please. I would take Robson Kanu on a free so to cover up front and wide positions. Central midfield I would be happy enough if Tshibola is not going to get injured all the time but he did at Reading and has started to here.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: godzvilla on August 30, 2016, 04:26:25 PM: From the Norwich Forum....a plea :

"After completing the signing of a striker for the first two years, it seems as if Norwich aren't done yet.
According to the Evening Standard Online, Norwich and Aston Villa are set for a deadline day scrap to sign West Ham and Ecuador striker Enner Valencia on loan.

The article says Valencia will be allowed to leave as long as, as expected, West Ham sign Manchester City forward Wilfried Bony on loan.

Exciting times, and after signing Norwich targets Ross McCormack and Jonathan Kodjia, you could let us have just one, eh Villa? "
...............Godzvilla!
Read more: http://www.norwich.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=459064#ixzz4IpTiJb8b
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on August 30, 2016, 04:29:14 PM: potentially a good signing so welcome

be interesting to see how we line up now i would imagine 4 4 2 or 4 4 1 1 which begs the question what happens to ayew
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tayls_7 on August 30, 2016, 04:32:42 PM: Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on August 30, 2016, 04:29:14 PM
potentially a good signing so welcome

be interesting to see how we line up now i would imagine 4 4 2 or 4 4 1 1 which begs the question what happens to ayew

He attracts interest from Hull Tigers FC so we make his day by sending him to the European City of Culture 2017 in part exchange for Robert Snodgrass.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on August 30, 2016, 04:32:46 PM: Kodjia as our #9 with McCormack playing just off him as a front two for me. Maybe Grealish in the hole behind with a three man midfield behind him
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on August 30, 2016, 04:38:18 PM: Quote from: Tayls_7 on August 30, 2016, 04:32:42 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on August 30, 2016, 04:29:14 PM
potentially a good signing so welcome

be interesting to see how we line up now i would imagine 4 4 2 or 4 4 1 1 which begs the question what happens to ayew

He attracts interest from Hull Tigers FC so we make his day by sending him to the European City of Culture 2017 in part exchange for Robert Snodgrass.

sounds like a plan to me
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 30, 2016, 04:39:27 PM: Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on August 30, 2016, 04:29:14 PM
potentially a good signing so welcome

be interesting to see how we line up now i would imagine 4 4 2 or 4 4 1 1 which begs the question what happens to ayew

What happened to him when Gestede was playing?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 30, 2016, 04:45:00 PM: It doesn't seem that complicated to me. Kodjia and gestede compete for the 9 role. Everyone else as you were
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: FatSam on August 30, 2016, 04:50:56 PM: The fees paid for McCormack and Kodjia smack of desperation tactics to me - more so Kodjia. We have effectively had to write off large swathes of our squad, and very expensively re-assemble it. Of course, if we are promoted it will have been worth it, but it seems like a real gamble at the moment.

We've just signed someone who scored 20 in 48 in the Championship for £15m, 12 months after signing for £2m from Ligue 2. I just don't see how 12 months in the Championship multiples his value sevenfold (or fivefold for that matter). It's not a substantial enough indicator of his quality. Last year's Ligue 2 top scorer joined Angers (now in Lifue 1) in the summer, and the second top scorer (who is a France U20 international) joined Bournemouth for £6m.

I would be comfortable with us spending big money on a signing that was virtually guaranteed to succeed, but this one doesn't feel that safe to me.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Witton Warrior on August 30, 2016, 04:52:12 PM: Just need a Cowans-like midfield general and a Psycho-like defender (for a few goals) now and we can get this bloody season started!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Edvard Remberg on August 30, 2016, 04:58:36 PM: Quote from: FatSam on August 30, 2016, 04:50:56 PM
The fees paid for McCormack and Kodjia smack of desperation tactics to me - more so Kodjia. We have effectively had to write off large swathes of our squad, and very expensively re-assemble it. Of course, if we are promoted it will have been worth it, but it seems like a real gamble at the moment.

We've just signed someone who scored 20 in 48 in the Championship for £15m, 12 months after signing for £2m from Ligue 2. I just don't see how 12 months in the Championship multiples his value sevenfold (or fivefold for that matter). It's not a substantial enough indicator of his quality. Last year's Ligue 2 top scorer joined Angers (now in Lifue 1) in the summer, and the second top scorer (who is a France U20 international) joined Bournemouth for £6m.

I would be comfortable with us spending big money on a signing that was virtually guaranteed to succeed, but this one doesn't feel that safe to me.
Let us sign some French talents - that should work.

It is more of a gamble going for unproven at this level. The value of promotion is to much not to try go for proven championship players.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Havencheese on August 30, 2016, 05:01:56 PM: Bristol City's previous record recoup for selling a player was £3.5m for Ade Akinbiyi. A name I've not heard of nor thought about in ages, completely forgot he even existed.

A decent hike in fees, even taking into consideration the sale from Bristol C to Wolves was 17 years ago.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: villadelph on August 30, 2016, 05:02:19 PM: Quote from: Edvard Remberg on August 30, 2016, 04:58:36 PM
Quote from: FatSam on August 30, 2016, 04:50:56 PM
The fees paid for McCormack and Kodjia smack of desperation tactics to me - more so Kodjia. We have effectively had to write off large swathes of our squad, and very expensively re-assemble it. Of course, if we are promoted it will have been worth it, but it seems like a real gamble at the moment.

We've just signed someone who scored 20 in 48 in the Championship for £15m, 12 months after signing for £2m from Ligue 2. I just don't see how 12 months in the Championship multiples his value sevenfold (or fivefold for that matter). It's not a substantial enough indicator of his quality. Last year's Ligue 2 top scorer joined Angers (now in Lifue 1) in the summer, and the second top scorer (who is a France U20 international) joined Bournemouth for £6m.

I would be comfortable with us spending big money on a signing that was virtually guaranteed to succeed, but this one doesn't feel that safe to me.
Let us sign some French talents - that should work.

It is more of a gamble going for unproven at this level. The value of promotion is to much not to try go for proven championship players.

Never again.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on August 30, 2016, 05:02:27 PM: I can still hear the moaning about Yacuba Sylla. Ligue 2? Ligue fucking Deux? How far has this etc, etc.....
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tuscans on August 30, 2016, 05:25:11 PM: Quote from: footyskillz on August 30, 2016, 03:45:52 PM
When this is all over can we do a poll!
About how happy with signings
Do a poll on why Dave dislikes your poll on a Kodjia scoring 20 plus goals poll skillz.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: olaftab on August 30, 2016, 05:27:15 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on August 30, 2016, 04:24:23 PM
Utility defender and a winger now please.
Do you think Utility needs defending?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tuscans on August 30, 2016, 05:28:14 PM: Quote from: olaftab on August 30, 2016, 05:27:15 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 30, 2016, 04:24:23 PM
Utility defender and a winger now please.
Do you think Utility needs defending?
Only if utilised enough.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: old man villa fan on August 30, 2016, 05:36:17 PM: We are in a difficult position in that, as a Championship club, it is very hard to get PL players in their prime to drop down. The alternatives are Championship players where their clubs want over the odds for them (understandable as the players is possibly their star player) or look overseas. We seem to be going down the path of proven in English football and paying accordingly.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: QuintonVilla on August 30, 2016, 05:38:23 PM: Quote from: Tuscans on August 30, 2016, 05:28:14 PM
Quote from: olaftab on August 30, 2016, 05:27:15 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on August 30, 2016, 04:24:23 PM
Utility defender and a winger now please.
Do you think Utility needs defending?
Only if utilised enough.
Utilise De La Cruz?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on August 30, 2016, 05:41:13 PM: I think is is a sound strategy. Build a team to do a job. There will be a price to pay. Pay it. No fannying about. We have rolled the dice for five years. Look where that got us.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 30, 2016, 05:44:24 PM: Absolutely this.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: avfcpg on August 30, 2016, 05:55:16 PM: Spend money, we are desperate.
Don't spend money, the owner's a fraud.
Spend money, he's overpriced.
Don't spend big money, is this the level of player we are now at?

Any transfer is a gamble...
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Big Dick Edwards on August 30, 2016, 05:58:19 PM: Quote from: john e on August 30, 2016, 10:18:21 AM
I remember the days when if a player wanted an agent he payed him 10% out of his own money

And rightly so. I just don't get why clubs agree transfer fees with other clubs then have to pay agents ridiculous money on top when they are empoyees of the player. If a player wants representation in financial matters he should pay for that service himself. Parasites.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villafirst on August 30, 2016, 06:02:22 PM: Can't believe people moaning at the owner spending! It's the way things are. Pogba £100m? £10 or 11 million is almost peanuts in these days of crazy money.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: FatSam on August 30, 2016, 06:09:54 PM: Quote from: Edvard Remberg on August 30, 2016, 04:58:36 PM
Let us sign some French talents - that should work.

It is more of a gamble going for unproven at this level. The value of promotion is to much not to try go for proven championship players.
I'm naturally cautious when it comes to transfers, and very much want to be proven wrong. I suppose the point I was trying to make is that this feels just as much as a gamble as last year's signings from France, As whilst he has one year in the Championship behind him, the fee is huge.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: curiousorange on August 30, 2016, 06:12:08 PM: While I think Kodjia is undoubtedly overpriced, this summer is seeing some extortionate fees and the Championship is no exception. Any other summer and he'd be half the price. Clubs know we've been relegated, have parachute payments and a new owner keen to make a splash and have strung us along accordingly. But the blunt fact is that we only want to be in this division for a year and can (at the moment) afford to try and make that happen.

If there's any money left in the kitty, a replacement for Ashley Westwood would be nice.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: FatSam on August 30, 2016, 06:17:19 PM: Quote from: old man villa fan on August 30, 2016, 05:36:17 PM
We are in a difficult position in that, as a Championship club, it is very hard to get PL players in their prime to drop down. The alternatives are Championship players where their clubs want over the odds for them (understandable as the players is possibly their star player) or look overseas. We seem to be going down the path of proven in English football and paying accordingly.
I think that's a fair analysis. To me it's starting to feel a bit MON all over again. Hopefully Tshibola can turn into a Delph/ Young type signing value-wise. I suppose sustainable squad building is a luxury we can't afford at the moment as we have such a low starting point. A different owner/ manager might have tried to salvage something from the players we already had, but it was probably the right decision to cut our losses with those wasters - even in the Championship.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Lyewho??? on August 30, 2016, 06:25:20 PM: I agree with some of the comments on here about the price of the players we have signed. But we need to understand that any fee that Villa pay for players will be over the top as prices are increased due to TV money, but more importantly we are a club that is nose diving and needs to stop the rot!!! To do this we need to clear the dead wood and restructure from top to bottom, that of course will cost us. Other teams know this hence the prices.

We were heading towards the deadline without a No9, im just happy we have got over the line with a day to spare. Hopefully we have done our work looking into JK and we have someone that will help jump up the league.

RDM now needs to make this team gel.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Lyewho??? on August 30, 2016, 06:29:19 PM: Added to my previous comment, i would like to see a few others added to the squad. Loanees have been mentioned so hopefully that will happen.

If Ayew goes = we need a replacement
If Traore goes = we need a replacement

i suspect we will now pick-up on the players that couldn't quite clinch a Prem deal tomorrow.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 30, 2016, 06:33:21 PM: Nothing wrong with being ambitious and trying to get out of this league. The rest are jealous of Villa & Newcastle.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 30, 2016, 06:34:21 PM: At what point does over-priced become the going rate?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: LeeB on August 30, 2016, 06:36:37 PM: Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 30, 2016, 06:34:21 PM
At what point does over-priced become the going rate?

About three weeks into the future, as it stands.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 30, 2016, 06:39:23 PM: Quote from: dave.woodhall on August 30, 2016, 06:34:21 PM
At what point does over-priced become the going rate?
the going rate is over-priced, but you've got to spend loads to stand still.

:)
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on August 30, 2016, 06:45:14 PM: Quote from: Matt Collins on August 30, 2016, 04:45:00 PM
It doesn't seem that complicated to me. Kodjia and gestede compete for the 9 role. Everyone else as you were

so ayew wide right? which doesnt suit him or the balance of the side?

playing kodjia, ross, grealish and ayew gives us a shit balance and leaves us woefully weak straight througg the middle.

like we have been for the past 5 seasons
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 30, 2016, 06:49:03 PM: Sorry, I agree that does present problems - or at least questions

I don't think the purchase of kodjia makes any difference there though
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 30, 2016, 06:50:47 PM: Quote from: N'ZMAV on August 30, 2016, 06:33:21 PM
Nothing wrong with being ambitious and trying to get out of this league. The rest are jealous of Villa & Newcastle.

My sentiments too. Of course, when we're in the premier league and can't compete with the likes of Chelsea and man city, it's a symptom of a game that's sick to the core with foreign owners making proper competition impossible, SKY ruining football etc

The inherent contradiction of being a football fan!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 30, 2016, 06:53:26 PM: If helps get us up then he's worth the money. Also good to see that Dr Xia has fully backed up his claims of funding. Hope there's a bit left for a creative player/winger and some centre back cover.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on August 30, 2016, 06:55:57 PM: Quote from: Matt Collins on August 30, 2016, 06:49:03 PM
Sorry, I agree that does present problems - or at least questions

I don't think the purchase of kodjia makes any difference there though

i agree, its just that with a shit load of attacking options i hope that rdm doesnt try and fit them all in at the same time
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on August 30, 2016, 07:01:02 PM: We did need another striker and now we've got one. I can't see what the problem is.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Holte L2 on August 30, 2016, 07:02:39 PM: Quote from: Clampy on August 30, 2016, 07:01:02 PM
We did need another striker and now we've got one. I can't see what the problem is.

Nor me. I'm baffled.

The previous owner didn't spend and we moaned.
Our new owner has brought proven championship quality and supporters are still moaning.

What do some people actually want!!??
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on August 30, 2016, 07:04:23 PM: They want to have a moan.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 30, 2016, 07:05:59 PM: Alan Nixon reporting the adomah deal may still be on - Boro apparently interested in a swap for Adama
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 30, 2016, 07:07:26 PM: The fact is we're on a single mission to get promoted this season. It's not a time to be cutting corners. We need to take advantage of the PL payment we got for last season and use those funds to do everything possible to achieve our goal. I've seen Bristol City fans value Kodjia at £8m so we may have overpaid at £11m but it's a calculated risk. RDM obviously wanted the player, he's now got him and we're looking more prepared for the rest of the season.

I don't care whether the signing of Kodjia means he scores 20 goals or makes another player fight harder to keep his place, providing we are successful. Right now nothing else matters. No one player will get us promoted but collectively adding competition to the squad will make us a better team. My guess is all will play their part during what will be a long and hard season.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 30, 2016, 07:09:24 PM: Quote from: Matt Collins on August 30, 2016, 07:05:59 PM
Alan Nixon reporting the adomah deal may still be on - Boro apparently interested in a swap for Adama

Well as much as I think Adama could be great, if he doesn't want to be here then this would be a good deal for us.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 30, 2016, 07:10:53 PM: Incidentally who was it that kept complaining about it being a sell to buy policy earlier in the summer? It didn't make sense then and it sure as hell doesn't make sense now.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 30, 2016, 07:12:44 PM: Quote from: Matt Collins on August 30, 2016, 07:05:59 PM
Alan Nixon reporting the adomah deal may still be on - Boro apparently interested in a swap for Adama
deal.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 30, 2016, 07:13:59 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 30, 2016, 07:09:24 PM
Quote from: Matt Collins on August 30, 2016, 07:05:59 PM
Alan Nixon reporting the adomah deal may still be on - Boro apparently interested in a swap for Adama

Well as much as I think Adama could be great, if he doesn't want to be here then this would be a good deal for us.

His not wanting to be here can change very quickly. The real question is are we likely to use him. 10 minutes here and there is a waste of everybody's time.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 30, 2016, 07:15:14 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 30, 2016, 07:10:53 PM
Incidentally who was it that kept complaining about it being a sell to buy policy earlier in the summer? It didn't make sense then and it sure as hell doesn't make sense now.

I think it was Toronto.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 30, 2016, 07:18:51 PM: Can't argue with the good Doctor. He's not messing about.

If I can be greedy, one more midfielder, pretty please.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 30, 2016, 07:21:05 PM: Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on August 30, 2016, 07:15:14 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 30, 2016, 07:10:53 PM
Incidentally who was it that kept complaining about it being a sell to buy policy earlier in the summer? It didn't make sense then and it sure as hell doesn't make sense now.

I think it was Toronto.

LOL I think you fancy me. Look how quick I came to your mind. I'm taken love I'm afraid but still appreciate the attention. Kisses
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 30, 2016, 07:23:44 PM: Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 30, 2016, 07:21:05 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on August 30, 2016, 07:15:14 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 30, 2016, 07:10:53 PM
Incidentally who was it that kept complaining about it being a sell to buy policy earlier in the summer? It didn't make sense then and it sure as hell doesn't make sense now.

I think it was Toronto.

LOL I think you fancy me. Look how quick I came to your mind. I'm taken love I'm afraid but still appreciate the attention. Kisses

Dream on Lover Boy. it was the "didn't make sense then and it sure as hell doesn't make sense now" that immediately made me think of you. ;)
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 30, 2016, 07:25:53 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 30, 2016, 07:10:53 PM
Incidentally who was it that kept complaining about it being a sell to buy policy earlier in the summer? It didn't make sense then and it sure as hell doesn't make sense now.

It was the Albion fan I think.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: atomicjam on August 30, 2016, 07:26:17 PM: Dominic King ‏@DominicKing_DM 6m minutes ago Manchester, England
Micah Richards could be on his way out of Aston Villa; in talks with West Ham over a move

https://twitter.com/DominicKing_DM?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 30, 2016, 07:27:10 PM: Quote from: atomicjam on August 30, 2016, 07:26:17 PM
Dominic King ‏@DominicKing_DM 6m minutes ago Manchester, England
Micah Richards could be on his way out of Aston Villa; in talks with West Ham over a move

https://twitter.com/DominicKing_DM?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Please, please, please, please, please let it be true.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 30, 2016, 07:27:14 PM: Richards may be off to West Ham. Got to think if he is, a defender must be on the way. I would happily do a swap loan with Valencia though.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 30, 2016, 07:31:15 PM: Not that I'm for one second complaining about the potential loss of Richards, but it would leave us pretty short at the back. Would need AT LEAST one more defensive signing, who could play centrally. Perhaps somebody who's still available on a free like Mariappa or Distin...?!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tayls_7 on August 30, 2016, 07:31:55 PM: Brilliant. We get to flog a tosser to other tossers.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 30, 2016, 07:34:10 PM: Quote from: RussellC on August 30, 2016, 07:31:15 PM
Not that I'm for one second complaining about the potential loss of Richards, but it would leave us pretty short at the back. Would need AT LEAST one more defensive signing, who could play centrally. Perhaps somebody who's still available on a free like Mariappa or Distin...?!

Either would be fine in this division. I think we are 4-5 players light still, so might be interesting to see if there are 2-3 loan deals to be had.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: themossman on August 30, 2016, 07:34:49 PM: It's a theoretical problem. I'd rather have literally anyone filling in at centre back other than Richards.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: dave shelley on August 30, 2016, 07:38:44 PM: The prospect of Richards going to WHU reminded me of This (https://www.google.ie/search?q=gary+larson+cat+fud+cartoon&rlz=1C1AVNG_enIE635IE635&espv=2&biw=1366&bih=667&tbm=isch&imgil=7_8oVBmbF6vImM%253A%253BPCPuad-cvmGytM%253Bhttps%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.pinterest.com%25252Fpin%25252F392798398720290081%25252F&source=iu&pf=m&fir=7_8oVBmbF6vImM%253A%252CPCPuad-cvmGytM%252C_&usg=__k3dggKgoB6JQM7hNYie2qmSpHtM%3D&ved=0ahUKEwiO2tyc5OnOAhXMDMAKHfu7AJMQyjcIKg&ei=Q9LFV86sAcyZgAb794KYCQ#imgrc=7_8oVBmbF6vImM%3A) With the cat being Richards.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on August 30, 2016, 07:41:26 PM: fuck me someone on vt suggesting wilshere ::)
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on August 30, 2016, 07:44:52 PM: Wilshire's name has been cropping up on here all day, on and off.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 30, 2016, 07:46:53 PM: We still need a winger that relegates Bacuna to a bench player and someone who can thread a pass and probably another centre half if Santa departs. The bench this season has been woeful.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 30, 2016, 07:48:43 PM: If Richards is off we definitely need defensive cover.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 30, 2016, 07:50:12 PM: The bench has been woeful but it's now looking stronger I think

I reckon our first choice bench will now be: bunn baker cissokho Westwood bacuna gestede green or new signing
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 30, 2016, 07:50:14 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 30, 2016, 07:48:43 PM
If Richards is off we definitely need defensive cover.
According to a French Journo we have agreed a deal to sign Ba from Lens (CH)
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 30, 2016, 07:50:28 PM: Quote from: Matt Collins on August 30, 2016, 07:05:59 PM
Alan Nixon reporting the adomah deal may still be on - Boro apparently interested in a swap for Adama

Jesus! If he thinks that Birmingham compares unfavourably with Barcelona wait till he gets to Middlesbrough!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: atomicjam on August 30, 2016, 07:50:34 PM: I have no idea if this is true, or who he is but:-

Edgar Dayday ‏@EdgDayday 7m minutes ago
Exclusive: Aston Villa have agreed a deal to sign promising young defender Abdoul Ba from RC Lens. #AVFC

https://twitter.com/EdgDayday
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 30, 2016, 07:51:35 PM: We can forget about Wilshere. He's only going on loan to give himself the platform to get back into the England Squad and, alas, he won't see the Championship as being that.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 30, 2016, 08:01:13 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 30, 2016, 07:48:43 PM
If Richards is off we definitely need defensive cover.

For what, his salary? His shirt number? The man is a waste of space.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: andyh on August 30, 2016, 08:02:08 PM: With Richards seemingly off to WHam, it's interesting that the last of the tossers that many would to see gone is still rooted in the club.

Surely someone, somewhere would like to take Agbonlahor?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt C on August 30, 2016, 08:02:52 PM: Linked to defender Abdoul Ba from RC Lens on the gospel of fact that is Twitter.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 30, 2016, 08:03:36 PM: Adomah move back on
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on August 30, 2016, 08:03:55 PM: Any idea of our total spend (and net spend) during this window? I've lost track. Have to say Tony has put his money where his mouth is.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: jwarry on August 30, 2016, 08:04:32 PM: Sounds a big f***er 6'7!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: taylorsworkrate on August 30, 2016, 08:05:23 PM: Quote from: andyh on August 30, 2016, 08:02:08 PM
With Richards seemingly off to WHam, it's interesting that the last of the tossers that many would to see gone is still rooted in the club.

Surely someone, somewhere would like to take Agbonlahor?

Maybe a travelling carnival for some sort of "guess the weight" game
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Lastfootstamper on August 30, 2016, 08:05:35 PM: Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on August 30, 2016, 07:07:26 PM
The fact is we're on a single mission to get promoted this season. It's not a time to be cutting corners. We need to take advantage of the PL payment we got for last season and use those funds to do everything possible to achieve our goal. I've seen Bristol City fans value Kodjia at £8m so we may have overpaid at £11m but it's a calculated risk. RDM obviously wanted the player, he's now got him and we're looking more prepared for the rest of the season.

I don't care whether the signing of Kodjia means he scores 20 goals or makes another player fight harder to keep his place, providing we are successful. Right now nothing else matters. No one player will get us promoted but collectively adding competition to the squad will make us a better team. My guess is all will play their part during what will be a long and hard season.

Yep. Get up, get up, get up, all that matters. I said a while back that all that counts right now is making sure that once the window closes, we've got a team that keeps us within touching distance of finishing top two by the time we can "go again" come January.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on August 30, 2016, 08:07:56 PM: Quote from: Holte L2 on August 30, 2016, 07:02:39 PM
Quote from: Clampy on August 30, 2016, 07:01:02 PM
We did need another striker and now we've got one. I can't see what the problem is.

Nor me. I'm baffled.

The previous owner didn't spend and we moaned.
Our new owner has brought proven championship quality and supporters are still moaning.

What do some people actually want!!??

Some need a punch in the Fucking face
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 30, 2016, 08:10:36 PM: Abdoul Ba - Mauritius international - 6ft 7😮
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 30, 2016, 08:11:25 PM: Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on August 30, 2016, 08:01:13 PM
Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 30, 2016, 07:48:43 PM
If Richards is off we definitely need defensive cover.

For what, his salary? His shirt number? The man is a waste of space.

Well not him specifically, but in theory with him gone we only have 3 centre backs.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 30, 2016, 08:12:47 PM: Adomah said to be back on for 6m. Good news if so, we need width and pace, and he is another one that has been promoted from the Championship.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: andyh on August 30, 2016, 08:15:28 PM: A really boring, no fuss, run of the mill transfer....someone like Wes Hoolihan , would be lovely.
Just the type of player to provide the ammo to a new look front line.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: john2710 on August 30, 2016, 08:24:21 PM: Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on August 30, 2016, 08:07:56 PM
Quote from: Holte L2 on August 30, 2016, 07:02:39 PM
Quote from: Clampy on August 30, 2016, 07:01:02 PM
We did need another striker and now we've got one. I can't see what the problem is.

Nor me. I'm baffled.

The previous owner didn't spend and we moaned.
Our new owner has brought proven championship quality and supporters are still moaning.

What do some people actually want!!??

Some need a punch in the Fucking face

Some people just like to moan & there's a lot of them visit VP. I remember some moaning like fuck about Cowans being shit the season we won the league. Fuck the fuckers
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 30, 2016, 08:27:17 PM: Hope the Richards to West Ham is true, will be the best transfer of the year getting rid of that useless gobshite.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 30, 2016, 08:28:19 PM: amen to that
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on August 30, 2016, 08:40:05 PM: Everytime we sign a player there is a hell of a lot of moaning about our spending and how it isn't fair etc etc. Wednesday fans in particular like a whinge.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on August 30, 2016, 08:43:51 PM: Wednesday should consider themselves lucky they played us before we were properly tooled up.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Chris Jameson on August 30, 2016, 08:51:12 PM: Quote from: Ads on August 30, 2016, 08:40:05 PM
Everytime we sign a player there is a hell of a lot of moaning about our spending and how it isn't fair etc etc. Wednesday fans in particular like a whinge.

Bit like when we were in the Premier League and City, Chelsea etc were spending big and people moaned about their spending.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: godzvilla on August 30, 2016, 08:55:17 PM: Traore apparently on his way to Muddlesboro :

Adama Traore: Middlesbrough close in on signing of Aston Villa winger

Boro are hopeful to completing a deal to sign Aston Villa winger Adama Traore.

"The 20-year-old Spanish youth international is understood to be travelling to Rockliffe Park on Tuesday evening ahead of contract talks and a medical on Wednesday.

Traore moved to Villa Park from Barcelona in August 2015 for an reported fee of £7m but endured a frustrating campaign last season.

Highly-rated and boasting an electric turn of pace, Traore suffered a broken foot in January but is fully fit and ready to resurrect his career at Boro " .

How many players are trying to " resurrect their career's" during this transfer window??..............Godzvilla!

Full article :http://www.gazettelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/adama-traore-middlesbrough-close-signing-11821129
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 30, 2016, 08:56:39 PM: Whatever the deal is for him I hope we insist on a 50% sell on clause.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Holtemeister on August 30, 2016, 09:00:26 PM: Quote from: atomicjam on August 30, 2016, 07:50:34 PM
I have no idea if this is true, or who he is but:-

Edgar Dayday ‏@EdgDayday 7m minutes ago
Exclusive: Aston Villa have agreed a deal to sign promising young defender Abdoul Ba from RC Lens. #AVFC

https://twitter.com/EdgDayday

http://www.futhead.com/16/players/9070/abdoul-ba/

Oh sorry that was so last year !!!!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: godzvilla on August 30, 2016, 09:07:29 PM: Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 30, 2016, 08:10:36 PM
Abdoul Ba - Mauritius international - 6ft 7😮

er....Mauritanian International ( well they are 9000 kms apart !! ;)).
Abdoul Ba (born February 8, 1994 in Dakar, Senegal) is a Mauritanian international football defender. He currently plays for RC Lens as a central defender. He made his first start for the club on 24 October 2014, in a 2-0 victory against Toulouse...................Godzvilla!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on August 30, 2016, 09:07:34 PM: Quote from: Chris Jameson on August 30, 2016, 08:51:12 PM
Quote from: Ads on August 30, 2016, 08:40:05 PM
Everytime we sign a player there is a hell of a lot of moaning about our spending and how it isn't fair etc etc. Wednesday fans in particular like a whinge.

Bit like when we were in the Premier League and City, Chelsea etc were spending big and people moaned about their spending.

Yep, it's all relative. I bet there were plenty moaning about Wednesday when they were in the 3rd division the other year.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on August 30, 2016, 09:22:25 PM: What is our total spend now. I've actually lost count. Must be past 50 now, or at least potentially with all the add ons.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 30, 2016, 09:25:24 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on August 30, 2016, 08:56:39 PM
Whatever the deal is for him I hope we insist on a 50% sell on clause.

Agree totally.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 30, 2016, 09:29:34 PM: Quote from: supertom on August 30, 2016, 09:22:25 PM
What is our total spend now. I've actually lost count. Must be past 50 now, or at least potentially with all the add ons.

By my reckoning, and not including add ons, we've spent £42.5m and sold £12.1m.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Rudy65 on August 30, 2016, 09:32:53 PM: Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on August 30, 2016, 08:07:56 PM
Quote from: Holte L2 on August 30, 2016, 07:02:39 PM
Quote from: Clampy on August 30, 2016, 07:01:02 PM
We did need another striker and now we've got one. I can't see what the problem is.

Nor me. I'm baffled.

The previous owner didn't spend and we moaned.
Our new owner has brought proven championship quality and supporters are still moaning.

What do some people actually want!!??

Some need a punch in the Fucking face

Bit harsh but I know what you mean.

Im just excited we are moving in the right direction and Tony is delivering the cash. Onwards and upwards.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 30, 2016, 09:41:25 PM: On the one hand i'm glad we're rebuilding the team, but what we are spending is obscene for this level and i'm not going to be hypocritical about us spending more money than just about any other club in the division can ever dream of, having spent years moaning about Chelsea, Man City etc doing exactly the same thing.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 30, 2016, 09:42:04 PM: Signing an unheard of French Centre-Back hours before the window closes? Is this Paddy Reilly's farewell gift to us...?!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 30, 2016, 09:45:22 PM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 30, 2016, 09:41:25 PM
On the one hand i'm glad we're rebuilding the team, but what we are spending is obscene for this level and i'm not going to be hypocritical about us spending more money than just about any other club in the division can ever dream of, having spent years moaning about Chelsea, Man City etc doing exactly the same thing.

Yep. The parachute payments are hugely unfair. I've tried to reason with myself that we're doing the Honorable thing and filtering the cash through to clubs like Bristol City and Fulham, rather than just pilfering their best players.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tayls_7 on August 30, 2016, 09:45:59 PM: Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on August 30, 2016, 08:07:56 PM
Quote from: Holte L2 on August 30, 2016, 07:02:39 PM
Quote from: Clampy on August 30, 2016, 07:01:02 PM
We did need another striker and now we've got one. I can't see what the problem is.

Nor me. I'm baffled.

The previous owner didn't spend and we moaned.
Our new owner has brought proven championship quality and supporters are still moaning.

What do some people actually want!!??

Some need a punch in the Fucking face

Is David Cameron still a Villa fan?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 30, 2016, 09:51:11 PM: Quote from: RussellC on August 30, 2016, 09:42:04 PM
Signing an unheard of French Centre-Back hours before the window closes? Is this Paddy Reilly's farewell gift to us...?!

No, that was Valencia. The giant from France sounds great except apparently he's not very good with his head.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 30, 2016, 09:53:28 PM: http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/sport/football/middlesbrough/14713054.Adama_Traore_to_join_Calum_Chambers_at_Middlesbrough___but_Albert_Adomah_set_to_leave/?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: old man villa fan on August 30, 2016, 09:56:22 PM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 30, 2016, 09:41:25 PM
On the one hand i'm glad we're rebuilding the team, but what we are spending is obscene for this level and i'm not going to be hypocritical about us spending more money than just about any other club in the division can ever dream of, having spent years moaning about Chelsea, Man City etc doing exactly the same thing.

In this respect, divisions are meaningless. We are all on the same long ladder and getting to the top and staying there is almost impossible. We are trying to buy a position on one of the 20 top rungs. Why shouldn't we be spending similar amounts to teams on the lower sections of those 20 rungs.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Duncan Shaw on August 30, 2016, 10:02:59 PM: Mmm I'd be nervously disappointed if he goes to Boro. We may look back in a year pontificating on what might have been, we may be laughing. If we can't keep him, I think I'd prefer him to slink back off to the continent, just in case.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: LeeB on August 30, 2016, 10:03:52 PM: Quote from: RussellC on August 30, 2016, 09:45:22 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 30, 2016, 09:41:25 PM
On the one hand i'm glad we're rebuilding the team, but what we are spending is obscene for this level and i'm not going to be hypocritical about us spending more money than just about any other club in the division can ever dream of, having spent years moaning about Chelsea, Man City etc doing exactly the same thing.

Yep. The parachute payments are hugely unfair. I've tried to reason with myself that we're doing the Honorable thing and filtering the cash through to clubs like Bristol City and Fulham, rather than just pilfering their best players.

I'm not. We've had the shitty end of the stick for way too long, everyone else can bollocks as far as I'm concerned.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on August 30, 2016, 10:04:24 PM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 30, 2016, 09:29:34 PM
Quote from: supertom on August 30, 2016, 09:22:25 PM
What is our total spend now. I've actually lost count. Must be past 50 now, or at least potentially with all the add ons.

By my reckoning, and not including add ons, we've spent £42.5m and sold £12.1m.

Outs, Clark for 5, Gueye for 7.1 and Sinclair for 4? Crespo a nominal fee too.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ian. on August 30, 2016, 10:04:24 PM: Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on August 30, 2016, 07:27:10 PM
Quote from: atomicjam on August 30, 2016, 07:26:17 PM
Dominic King ‏@DominicKing_DM 6m minutes ago Manchester, England
Micah Richards could be on his way out of Aston Villa; in talks with West Ham over a move

https://twitter.com/DominicKing_DM?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Please, please, please, please, please let it be true.
Oh this would make my summer!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 30, 2016, 10:06:31 PM: Have I got this wrong or do the parachute payments only cover the continuing operating costs post relegation - therefore where is this money coming from and more importantly will it be borrowed?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ian. on August 30, 2016, 10:10:42 PM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 30, 2016, 09:41:25 PM
On the one hand i'm glad we're rebuilding the team, but what we are spending is obscene for this level and i'm not going to be hypocritical about us spending more money than just about any other club in the division can ever dream of, having spent years moaning about Chelsea, Man City etc doing exactly the same thing.
What is really obscene is we are spending all this money, close to £50m and I have not heard of any of these players.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave P on August 30, 2016, 10:11:13 PM: Quote from: Newby on August 30, 2016, 10:04:24 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 30, 2016, 09:29:34 PM
Quote from: supertom on August 30, 2016, 09:22:25 PM
What is our total spend now. I've actually lost count. Must be past 50 now, or at least potentially with all the add ons.

By my reckoning, and not including add ons, we've spent £42.5m and sold £12.1m.

Outs, Clark for 5, Gueye for 7.1 and Sinclair for 4? Crespo a nominal fee too.

Did we get a fee for Okore in the end?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: OCD on August 30, 2016, 10:14:48 PM: Sounds like we've spent about £26m net so far then. Not bad as what's being made out. Not close to £50m at all.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 30, 2016, 10:15:35 PM: Quote from: Ian J on August 30, 2016, 10:10:42 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 30, 2016, 09:41:25 PM
On the one hand i'm glad we're rebuilding the team, but what we are spending is obscene for this level and i'm not going to be hypocritical about us spending more money than just about any other club in the division can ever dream of, having spent years moaning about Chelsea, Man City etc doing exactly the same thing.
What is really obscene is we are spending all this money, close to £50m and I have not heard of any of these players.

You've not heard of McCormack or Jedinak?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on August 30, 2016, 10:16:03 PM: Quote from: Dave P on August 30, 2016, 10:11:13 PM
Quote from: Newby on August 30, 2016, 10:04:24 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 30, 2016, 09:29:34 PM
Quote from: supertom on August 30, 2016, 09:22:25 PM
What is our total spend now. I've actually lost count. Must be past 50 now, or at least potentially with all the add ons.

By my reckoning, and not including add ons, we've spent £42.5m and sold £12.1m.

Outs, Clark for 5, Gueye for 7.1 and Sinclair for 4? Crespo a nominal fee too.

What did Okore go for?

I thought he was free? Not sure Dave.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on August 30, 2016, 10:16:26 PM: Quote from: Dave P on August 30, 2016, 10:11:13 PM
Quote from: Newby on August 30, 2016, 10:04:24 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 30, 2016, 09:29:34 PM
Quote from: supertom on August 30, 2016, 09:22:25 PM
What is our total spend now. I've actually lost count. Must be past 50 now, or at least potentially with all the add ons.

By my reckoning, and not including add ons, we've spent £42.5m and sold £12.1m.

Outs, Clark for 5, Gueye for 7.1 and Sinclair for 4? Crespo a nominal fee too.

What did Okore go for?

50% of any future transfer fee that FC Copenhagen get for him according to ViD.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 30, 2016, 10:16:27 PM: I completely forgot about Sinclair, which is easily done. So approx £42.5m spent and approx £16.1m in plus Okore, which only seemed to be mentioned as "cut price"?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave P on August 30, 2016, 10:17:27 PM: Quote from: cdbullyweefan on August 30, 2016, 10:15:35 PM
Quote from: Ian J on August 30, 2016, 10:10:42 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 30, 2016, 09:41:25 PM
On the one hand i'm glad we're rebuilding the team, but what we are spending is obscene for this level and i'm not going to be hypocritical about us spending more money than just about any other club in the division can ever dream of, having spent years moaning about Chelsea, Man City etc doing exactly the same thing.
What is really obscene is we are spending all this money, close to £50m and I have not heard of any of these players.

You've not heard of McCormack or Jedinak?

Or Elphick? Or Chester?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 30, 2016, 10:17:43 PM: Quote from: OCD on August 30, 2016, 10:14:48 PM
Sounds like we've spent about £26m net so far then. Not bad as what's being made out. Not close to £50m at all.

much more important than what we have spent (gross or net) is have we addressed our needs both with players in and out? That will be a more important conversation to have and we won't really know for a while.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave P on August 30, 2016, 10:19:30 PM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 30, 2016, 10:16:27 PM
I completely forgot about Sinclair, which is easily done. So approx £42.5m spent and approx £16.1m in plus Okore, which only seemed to be mentioned as "cut price"?

It's wages as well. N'Zog, Lescott and Guzan off the bill would be very significant and would surely help in our recruitment.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ian. on August 30, 2016, 10:19:39 PM: Quote from: cdbullyweefan on August 30, 2016, 10:15:35 PM
Quote from: Ian J on August 30, 2016, 10:10:42 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 30, 2016, 09:41:25 PM
On the one hand i'm glad we're rebuilding the team, but what we are spending is obscene for this level and i'm not going to be hypocritical about us spending more money than just about any other club in the division can ever dream of, having spent years moaning about Chelsea, Man City etc doing exactly the same thing.
What is really obscene is we are spending all this money, close to £50m and I have not heard of any of these players.

You've not heard of McCormack or Jedinak?
Well maybe those two...but I wouldn't recognise them if I bumped into them on the street. For a start everyone has a fuckoff great big beard now
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on August 30, 2016, 10:20:24 PM: Our wage bill must be in far better shape with the likes of Lescott, Zog, Clark, Richardson, Crespo, Bennett, Guzan, Gil, Sanchez, Veretout, Gueye, Sinclair and Okore, all gone. I bet Randy is pissing his pants.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on August 30, 2016, 10:22:20 PM: Quote from: Dave P on August 30, 2016, 10:19:30 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 30, 2016, 10:16:27 PM
I completely forgot about Sinclair, which is easily done. So approx £42.5m spent and approx £16.1m in plus Okore, which only seemed to be mentioned as "cut price"?

It's wages as well. N'Zog, Lescott and Guzan off the bill would be very significant and would surely help in our recruitment.
I'm actually astonished we've clawed back 16 million from our toss. And that could cross 20 when Traore goes. To be fair our net spend won't be too awful. You'd have hoped for around 20 mill. The Doc has certainly put his money where his mouth is. Yes we've overpaid but this is a world where Stones is 48 million.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Rudy65 on August 30, 2016, 10:24:29 PM: Quote from: Ian J on August 30, 2016, 10:19:39 PM
Quote from: cdbullyweefan on August 30, 2016, 10:15:35 PM
Quote from: Ian J on August 30, 2016, 10:10:42 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 30, 2016, 09:41:25 PM
On the one hand i'm glad we're rebuilding the team, but what we are spending is obscene for this level and i'm not going to be hypocritical about us spending more money than just about any other club in the division can ever dream of, having spent years moaning about Chelsea, Man City etc doing exactly the same thing.
What is really obscene is we are spending all this money, close to £50m and I have not heard of any of these players.

You've not heard of McCormack or Jedinak?
Well maybe those two...but I wouldn't recognise them if I bumped into them on the street. For a start everyone has a fuckoff great big beard now

Nor De Laat or Elphick? You do follow football dont you?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on August 30, 2016, 10:25:17 PM: Quote from: Newby on August 30, 2016, 10:20:24 PM
Our wage bill must be in far better shape with the likes of Lescott, Zog, Clark, Richardson, Crespo, Bennett, Guzan, Gil, Sanchez, Veretout, Gueye, Sinclair and Okore, all gone. I bet Randy is pissing his pants.
He must be scratching his head and wondering how we've got rid of so many of these players so easily (the out of contracts excluded). If we ship Gabby out Randy will shit out a shunnamite.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on August 30, 2016, 10:25:29 PM: I'm not sure we have spent that much in real terms, we've sold well and have a big parachute payment. I wouldn't be averse to spending another 20/30 m whilst players still think of us as a top division club.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on August 30, 2016, 10:25:38 PM: Quote from: Rudy65 on August 30, 2016, 10:24:29 PM
Quote from: Ian J on August 30, 2016, 10:19:39 PM
Quote from: cdbullyweefan on August 30, 2016, 10:15:35 PM
Quote from: Ian J on August 30, 2016, 10:10:42 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 30, 2016, 09:41:25 PM
On the one hand i'm glad we're rebuilding the team, but what we are spending is obscene for this level and i'm not going to be hypocritical about us spending more money than just about any other club in the division can ever dream of, having spent years moaning about Chelsea, Man City etc doing exactly the same thing.
What is really obscene is we are spending all this money, close to £50m and I have not heard of any of these players.

You've not heard of McCormack or Jedinak?
Well maybe those two...but I wouldn't recognise them if I bumped into them on the street. For a start everyone has a fuckoff great big beard now

Nor De Laat or Elphick? You do follow football dont you?
Or Chester.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ian. on August 30, 2016, 10:25:43 PM: Quote from: Dave P on August 30, 2016, 10:17:27 PM
Quote from: cdbullyweefan on August 30, 2016, 10:15:35 PM
Quote from: Ian J on August 30, 2016, 10:10:42 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 30, 2016, 09:41:25 PM
On the one hand i'm glad we're rebuilding the team, but what we are spending is obscene for this level and i'm not going to be hypocritical about us spending more money than just about any other club in the division can ever dream of, having spent years moaning about Chelsea, Man City etc doing exactly the same thing.
What is really obscene is we are spending all this money, close to £50m and I have not heard of any of these players.

You've not heard of McCormack or Jedinak?

Or Elphick? Or Chester?
Ok ok, maybe them as well!!

I'm not complaining though, don't get me wrong, it's exciting and I'm enjoying the revolution and the purging of horrible bastards within our realms. Still £50 Million is an awful lot of money on players I had to remind myself who they played for before they signed for us.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mallo on August 30, 2016, 10:26:04 PM: Just watched the Toulouse highlights with Ba playing - I hope that was his first game for them!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 30, 2016, 10:26:49 PM: Quote from: Newby on August 30, 2016, 10:20:24 PM
Our wage bill must be in far better shape with the likes of Lescott, Zog, Clark, Richardson, Crespo, Bennett, Guzan, Gil, Sanchez, Veretout, Gueye, Sinclair and Okore, all gone. I bet Randy is pissing his pants.

Apart from Zog, we're probably paying more in wages now than when they were here as the relegation clauses will have been in play for pretty much all of them but will ave ad to pay the going rate for all the new signings. At least it looks like we're spending those wages better now.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on August 30, 2016, 10:27:15 PM: Quote from: Rudy65 on August 30, 2016, 10:24:29 PM
Quote from: Ian J on August 30, 2016, 10:19:39 PM
Quote from: cdbullyweefan on August 30, 2016, 10:15:35 PM
Quote from: Ian J on August 30, 2016, 10:10:42 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 30, 2016, 09:41:25 PM
On the one hand i'm glad we're rebuilding the team, but what we are spending is obscene for this level and i'm not going to be hypocritical about us spending more money than just about any other club in the division can ever dream of, having spent years moaning about Chelsea, Man City etc doing exactly the same thing.
What is really obscene is we are spending all this money, close to £50m and I have not heard of any of these players.

You've not heard of McCormack or Jedinak?
Well maybe those two...but I wouldn't recognise them if I bumped into them on the street. For a start everyone has a fuckoff great big beard now

Nor De Laat or Elphick? You do follow football dont you?

I've had a season ticket at Villa for donkeys years, I'd never heard of Elphick till we were interested in signing him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 30, 2016, 10:27:39 PM: At the start of this transfer window WM and the other Villa media haters were banging on about us being financially toxic by having 96 years of contracts on 'unwanted' players. Well it seems to me like the club have done nothing short of a fantastic job in getting rid of so much of the dross with some even getting us some money.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ian. on August 30, 2016, 10:29:49 PM: Quote from: Rudy65 on August 30, 2016, 10:24:29 PM
Quote from: Ian J on August 30, 2016, 10:19:39 PM
Quote from: cdbullyweefan on August 30, 2016, 10:15:35 PM
Quote from: Ian J on August 30, 2016, 10:10:42 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 30, 2016, 09:41:25 PM
On the one hand i'm glad we're rebuilding the team, but what we are spending is obscene for this level and i'm not going to be hypocritical about us spending more money than just about any other club in the division can ever dream of, having spent years moaning about Chelsea, Man City etc doing exactly the same thing.
What is really obscene is we are spending all this money, close to £50m and I have not heard of any of these players.

You've not heard of McCormack or Jedinak?
Well maybe those two...but I wouldn't recognise them if I bumped into them on the street. For a start everyone has a fuckoff great big beard now

Nor De Laat or Elphick? You do follow football dont you?

Apparently not!! 😀

Well football has not been witnessed in my household for sometime. It's been too depressing watching other teams do ok while we struggle. Off topic has been much more fun the last half decade.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on August 30, 2016, 10:31:21 PM: Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on August 30, 2016, 10:27:39 PM
At the start of this transfer window WM and the other Villa media haters were banging on about us being financially toxic by having 96 years of contracts on 'unwanted' players. Well it seems to me like the club have done nothing short of a fantastic job in getting rid of so much of the dross with some even getting us some money.
If we get at least one more of Richards or Gabby out then we've had an absolute hum dinger of a window. The whole board deserves to be roundly fellated by Greek Goddesses.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Pat McMahon on August 30, 2016, 10:44:35 PM: This summer has been like last summer for me - plenty of signings who I had never heard of before. Of this year's' crop, Chester and Jedinak are the only 2 I knew, and if Jedinak had a shave I reckon he could sit opposite me at work and I wouldn't recognise him.

We have been so shit for so long now that I have barely paid much attention( translation, not dared turn on the TV to watch football) so I have utterly no knowledge of Kodjia, McCormack, Elphick, Tshibola et al.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on August 30, 2016, 10:46:38 PM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 30, 2016, 10:26:49 PM
Quote from: Newby on August 30, 2016, 10:20:24 PM
Our wage bill must be in far better shape with the likes of Lescott, Zog, Clark, Richardson, Crespo, Bennett, Guzan, Gil, Sanchez, Veretout, Gueye, Sinclair and Okore, all gone. I bet Randy is pissing his pants.

Apart from Zog, we're probably paying more in wages now than when they were here as the relegation clauses will have been in play for pretty much all of them but will ave ad to pay the going rate for all the new signings. At least it looks like we're spending those wages better now.

I'm not convinced that they all would have had clauses mate, hence another reason for getting rid. I might be wrong though! Good riddance too. Other than Gueye, not one I wouldn't happily ship out.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Chris Jameson on August 30, 2016, 10:51:16 PM: Of our signings the only player I would recognise if he knocked on our door is Chester, I knew of Ross McCormack but had never seen him play, thought Jedinak was a central defender and if somebody asked me what Ritchie De Laet did for a living I'd guess he was a boxer.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 30, 2016, 11:05:26 PM: Oh I would have got all but Kodjia and Gollini I think had they come knocking.

We have done what we were crucified for not doing last year and bought proven players for this level. It's a sound policy. Now the coaching team easily have the tools to finish top 6 and should be pushing the top 2.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: john e on August 30, 2016, 11:56:45 PM: Quote from: Chris Jameson on August 30, 2016, 10:51:16 PM
Of our signings the only player I would recognise if he knocked on our door is Chester, I knew of Ross McCormack but had never seen him play, thought Jedinak was a central defender and if somebody asked me what Ritchie De Laet did for a living I'd guess he was a boxer.

One more than me mate
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: footyskillz on August 31, 2016, 12:03:14 AM: Traroe for adamoah is good business in scheme of things.
Apart from gollini all the other signings one can argue are ready made- proven hard working and professional.

I think my favourite will be McCormack he's a class act.
I do like elphick though his captain qualities.

I also feel thes players brought in are in especially for the job of promotion . Serious upgrades would be needed next season and can see January window could be fun too.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 31, 2016, 12:27:25 AM: Rumours of a loan move for Callum McManaman from Albion on twitter. Him and Adomah would mean we have genuine pacey wide options. Get a defender in too and it would be a window we could not have wished for really.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on August 31, 2016, 12:45:56 AM: Quote from: Chris Jameson on August 30, 2016, 10:51:16 PM
Of our signings the only player I would recognise if he knocked on our door is Chester, I knew of Ross McCormack but had never seen him play, thought Jedinak was a central defender and if somebody asked me what Ritchie De Laet did for a living I'd guess he was a boxer.

One better than me, I'd never recognise any of them. I did snub Liz Hurley however.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on August 31, 2016, 07:12:06 AM: Quote from: Newby on August 30, 2016, 10:46:38 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 30, 2016, 10:26:49 PM
Quote from: Newby on August 30, 2016, 10:20:24 PM
Our wage bill must be in far better shape with the likes of Lescott, Zog, Clark, Richardson, Crespo, Bennett, Guzan, Gil, Sanchez, Veretout, Gueye, Sinclair and Okore, all gone. I bet Randy is pissing his pants.

Apart from Zog, we're probably paying more in wages now than when they were here as the relegation clauses will have been in play for pretty much all of them but will ave ad to pay the going rate for all the new signings. At least it looks like we're spending those wages better now.

I'm not convinced that they all would have had clauses mate, hence another reason for getting rid. I might be wrong though!

Tom Fox told a member of this parish that yes, they all did.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on August 31, 2016, 07:22:21 AM: Quote from: Chris Jameson on August 30, 2016, 10:51:16 PM
Of our signings the only player I would recognise if he knocked on our door is Chester, I knew of Ross McCormack but had never seen him play, thought Jedinak was a central defender and if somebody asked me what Ritchie De Laet did for a living I'd guess he was a boxer.

I thought Jedinak was a centre half a well. I'd heard of all the others apart from Gollini and Tshibola.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 31, 2016, 07:25:55 AM: I'm actually on first name terms with all of them.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 31, 2016, 07:26:33 AM: Jedinak has played there a few times for palace when they have needed him. According to someone I know (who is only 4ft10 in fairness) that has met Jedinak a few times now, he's huge and very imposing so I would imagine he could play centre half if we were short.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Proposition Joe on August 31, 2016, 07:41:56 AM: I knew Jedinak because he was the one sticker I got duplicates of more than any other for South Africa 2010. Chester rang a bell, but I couldn't have told you that he was Welsh or played for West Brom.

The rest I'd honestly never heard of, but then my football watching has reduced in recent years to Villa matches and big tournaments.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mattjpa on August 31, 2016, 07:48:21 AM: looking at things with a view to business today and using a rigid formation that I appreciate may change:

Golini (Bunn, Steer)

Amavi (Cissokho)
Chester (Baker)
Elphick (Toner)
De Laet (Hutton, Richards )

Tshibola (Westwood, Lyden)
Jedinak (Gardner)

Ayew (Bacuna)
Grealish (Green)
McCormack (Traore)

Kodjia (Gestede, Kozak, Agbonlahor)

We are pretty well covered and the squad doesnt look too fat. Its been well documented that Traore wants to leave and I dont think Richards will be happy as 4th choice CB/ 3rd choice RB so may leave. I dont think Agbonlahor is happy as 4 choice striker but dont think he will move as nobody wants him. The front 4 are all interchangeable depending on formation and opposition so no worries there until ACON.
If we get someone in like Adomah for Traore ill be pleased as although talented he has offered very little to the team but otherwise, I wont lose any sleep if we are done till January. Its all on RDM and SC now....
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 31, 2016, 07:53:20 AM: Wet Spam not interested in Richards apparently.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: QuintonVilla on August 31, 2016, 08:11:38 AM: Still a centre half and creative/pacy midfielder/winger needed imo.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ciggiesnbeer on August 31, 2016, 08:15:16 AM: Feeling pretty pleased with Xia's first window. For sure we could use more midfielders (we always can) but we are a better side now than we were bought by him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: MonsXI on August 31, 2016, 08:32:32 AM: Tom Ross tweeted:
According to reports WBA signing 4 Blues 2 Villa 2/3 Wolves 1-deadline day promises to be the busiest yet or will it #avfc #wbafc #bcfc #wfc
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on August 31, 2016, 08:42:09 AM: Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on August 31, 2016, 07:53:20 AM
Wet Spam not interested in Richards apparently.

Slavan Billic is a shrewd guy, I thought it was bollocks when I first heard the rumour
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cdward on August 31, 2016, 08:53:41 AM: The reason we have been able to shift players out quickly this time around is because they have all taken a drop in wages because of relegation.
Showing the true colours of the modern day football mercenary, as soon as someone offers them more money, they fuck off to exotic places like Newcastle, Glasgow, Middlesbrough, Cardiff and Athens quicker than you can say Charles N'Zogbia.

It's simple, someone offers them more money and they're off.

I remember being surprised when Luke Young turned down a chance to move to Liverpool, until it came out he would of had to take a pay cut. Of course he came out with the usual bullshit about game time.

Think how much easier it would have been to get rid of N'Zogbia, Ireland etc' if we had been relegated

Money talks, loyalty walks, just ask Delph!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 31, 2016, 09:03:06 AM: Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on August 31, 2016, 07:53:20 AM
Wet Spam not interested in Richards apparently.

cant blame them
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 31, 2016, 09:05:58 AM: Quote from: cdward on August 31, 2016, 08:53:41 AM
The reason we have been able to shift players out quickly this time around is because they have all taken a drop in wages because of relegation.
Showing the true colours of the modern day football mercenary, as soon as someone offers them more money, they fuck off to exotic places like Newcastle, Glasgow, Middlesbrough, Cardiff and Athens quicker than you can say Charles N'Zogbia.

It's simple, someone offers them more money and they're off.

I remember being surprised when Luke Young turned down a chance to move to Liverpool, until it came out he would of had to take a pay cut. Of course he came out with the usual bullshit about game time.

Think how much easier it would have been to get rid of N'Zogbia, Ireland etc' if we had been relegated

Money talks, loyalty walks, just ask Delph!

I suppose we have something to thank relegation for if it is the laxative that shifts all our shit. Easier to rebuild when you can move unwanted players on.

Richards must be poison, I thought he would be easy to move on but has proved one of the hardest to fid a home for.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 31, 2016, 09:39:16 AM: According to The Sun, Aston Villa's move for Hull City striker Abel Hernandez fell apart as he wanted £70,000-a-week in wages, rising to £100,000-a-week if the club won promotion to the Premier League.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Keeno on August 31, 2016, 09:45:39 AM: Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on August 31, 2016, 09:39:16 AM
According to The Sun, Aston Villa's move for Hull City striker Abel Hernandez fell apart as he wanted £70,000-a-week in wages, rising to £100,000-a-week if the club won promotion to the Premier League.

He can jog on then. Part of the mess Hull find themselves in currently!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 31, 2016, 09:50:04 AM: Adebayor is signing for Fulham apparently.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 31, 2016, 10:05:54 AM: well, that's just given everyone else a man advantage.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on August 31, 2016, 10:44:53 AM: Quote from: cdward on August 31, 2016, 08:53:41 AM
It's simple, someone offers them more money and they're off.

So behaving like pretty much everyone else, in any career, in any country since the concept of paying people for their labour began?

The fuckers.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 31, 2016, 11:00:39 AM: Quote from: mattjpa on August 31, 2016, 07:48:21 AM
Golini (Bunn, Steer)

Amavi (Cissokho)
Chester (Baker)
Elphick (Toner)
De Laet (Hutton, Richards )

Tshibola (Westwood, Lyden)
Jedinak (Gardner)

Ayew (Bacuna)
Grealish (Green)
McCormack (Traore)

Kodjia (Gestede, Kozak, Agbonlahor)

Got to say that the squad is pretty balanced now. Richards (or Hutton), Gabby (or Kozak) look to be surplus to requirements otherwise all the players must be hopeful of playing each week and therefore it should make for an energised committed squad.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: richtheholtender on August 31, 2016, 11:04:03 AM: Still worried that we are one injury away from Gardner and Westwood.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mallo on August 31, 2016, 11:07:39 AM: A lot of decent buys on paper - just need to do the important part now, which we've failed to do in the last 5 years - make a resilient <team> of them now. Could do with 1 more midfielder or central defender (or both) for me.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 31, 2016, 11:12:02 AM: Quote from: richtheholtender on August 31, 2016, 11:04:03 AM
Still worried that we are one injury away from Gardner and Westwood.

Two surely? But yes, one injury away from one of them is worrying enough.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 31, 2016, 11:14:41 AM: That's my main concern. I suppose the hope is that Forest fans aren't all mad and Gardner is actually better than what we've seen this season.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: QuintonVilla on August 31, 2016, 11:15:04 AM: Derby in for Adomah.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 31, 2016, 11:20:26 AM: Quote from: QuintonVilla on August 31, 2016, 11:15:04 AM
Derby in for Adomah.

Just saw that. Surely he'd opt for us though, wouldn't he?!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 31, 2016, 11:23:20 AM: I assume we'd pay more.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Richard E on August 31, 2016, 11:28:14 AM: Quote from: N'ZMAV on August 31, 2016, 11:23:20 AM
I assume we'd pay more.
Presumably we'd also tell Boro that the Adama deal was off if Adomah goes elsewhere.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Eckybloke on August 31, 2016, 11:29:49 AM: Quote from: Dude At The Guardian?
Slaven Bilic hoping to get Micah Richards at West Ham today. Season-long loan from Aston Villa, with view to permanent deal #whufc #avfc
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: QuintonVilla on August 31, 2016, 11:30:22 AM: Quote from: Richard E on August 31, 2016, 11:28:14 AM
Quote from: N'ZMAV on August 31, 2016, 11:23:20 AM
I assume we'd pay more.
Presumably we'd also tell Boro that the Adama deal was off if Adomah goes elsewhere.
Apparently the two deals are separate and not hinging on a swap deal, but as you say surely we'd have someone else lined up to replace Traore if Adomah went elsewhere.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Richard E on August 31, 2016, 11:32:53 AM: Sounds like RDM sees De Laet as a potential centre back if we have injuries in that position.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brontebilly on August 31, 2016, 11:33:16 AM: Quote from: mattjpa on August 31, 2016, 07:48:21 AM
looking at things with a view to business today and using a rigid formation that I appreciate may change:

Golini (Bunn, Steer)

Amavi (Cissokho)
Chester (Baker)
Elphick (Toner)
De Laet (Hutton, Richards )

Tshibola (Westwood, Lyden)
Jedinak (Gardner)

Ayew (Bacuna)
Grealish (Green)
McCormack (Traore)

Kodjia (Gestede, Kozak, Agbonlahor)

We are pretty well covered and the squad doesnt look too fat. Its been well documented that Traore wants to leave and I dont think Richards will be happy as 4th choice CB/ 3rd choice RB so may leave. I dont think Agbonlahor is happy as 4 choice striker but dont think he will move as nobody wants him. The front 4 are all interchangeable depending on formation and opposition so no worries there until ACON.
If we get someone in like Adomah for Traore ill be pleased as although talented he has offered very little to the team but otherwise, I wont lose any sleep if we are done till January. Its all on RDM and SC now....

For all the money we have spent, I think the squad above is horribly light on depth for the remaining 41 league games. Toner has gone on loan ,rightly so for his development, so that leaves just Baker as our only centre back cover. Gardner, Lyden, Green, Kozak havent shown anything thus far this season or ever really that makes you think they are realistic first team options. Ideally Lyden, Green and RHM would go out on loan for a few months and come back to challenge for places with that experience in them.

Already the money spent on McCormack seems a little unwise as we have Grealish and Ayew to play in his position. If Flabby doesnt leave today then we need to pragmatic and re-integrate him into the squad, at this worst he is still miles better than Kozak. If he got any kind of form back he would be a very handy option to have. I'm presuming Richards will have f8cked off somewhere today and surprised Hutton hasnt left yet. The Luton game seems to have finished a few careers at AVFC and perhaps convinced the board and management that a number of players could not be trusted.

Also worried, given the money we have spent, that we are mortgaging our future on immediate promotion this season. We need to hit the ground running after the international break. Huge week on the training pitch for RDM and Clarke.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: themossman on August 31, 2016, 11:34:21 AM: I feel the Doc will be ruthless bordering on vindictive in these kinds of situations, in a good way.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sid1964 on August 31, 2016, 11:40:54 AM: If we cant rely on our reserve team players to step up to Championship level for a few games when required through the season, then I would suggest what is the point of keeping them?

If they are not good enough for the Championship football, they certainly wont survive in the Premier league.

For me there is no way back for Gabby / Richards / Hutton - get rid ASAP.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 31, 2016, 11:42:09 AM: Derby have nipped in for the geezer from Middesboro, according to a few reports. So we keep Adama!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 31, 2016, 11:45:12 AM: Quote from: QuintonVilla on August 31, 2016, 11:15:04 AM
Derby in for Adomah.

Not too bothered about Adomah, sounds like he doesn't defend leaving the fullback exposed. Would be a worry with De Laet being a fullback that likes to bomb forwards. We need a right sided mifielder / winger that can be disciplined and do some defensive work. This is why Amavi is a problem, he leaves us exposed as there is nobody (Ayew) in front of him to cover him if he goes forwards.

We either need fullbacks that defend, or midfielders in front of them that put a shift in.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: old man villa fan on August 31, 2016, 11:47:28 AM: Quote from: sid1964 on August 31, 2016, 11:40:54 AM
If we cant rely on our reserve team players to step up to Championship level for a few games when required through the season, then I would suggest what is the point of keeping them?

If they are not good enough for the Championship football, they certainly wont survive in the Premier league.

For me there is no way back for Gabby / Richards / Hutton - get rid ASAP.

Quite right. Comments by some do not reflect that we are playing in the Championship.

Also, as the saying goes, "attitude is everything". How much of bad attitude from some, affected others last season e.g. does Traore want out because of bad attitude of others players towards him (not saying that this is actually true but could be).
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: pbavfckuwait on August 31, 2016, 11:57:56 AM: So god knows how many out, some decent, good to very good buys in, alot of the poison from the last couple of years, last year especially gone and still some are not happy, my god I thought I was a miserable old bastard, I am a beacon of light compared to some on here.(Mrs would'nt agree to that though)
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mattjpa on August 31, 2016, 12:13:52 PM: Quote from: old man villa fan on August 31, 2016, 11:47:28 AM
Quote from: sid1964 on August 31, 2016, 11:40:54 AM
If we cant rely on our reserve team players to step up to Championship level for a few games when required through the season, then I would suggest what is the point of keeping them?

If they are not good enough for the Championship football, they certainly wont survive in the Premier league.

For me there is no way back for Gabby / Richards / Hutton - get rid ASAP.

Quite right. Comments by some do not reflect that we are playing in the Championship.

Also, as the saying goes, "attitude is everything". How much of bad attitude from some, affected others last season e.g. does Traore want out because of bad attitude of others players towards him (not saying that this is actually true but could be).

I dont see the desperation of some to write off Hutton, I think when brought in to a cohesive defensive unit he is more than adequate back up and will not let us down. The truth of the matter is that we probably wont convince anyone much better than him to come in and play back up to De Laet. If we go back up we may need to look at moving on and replacing but we dont need to be worrying about that just yet
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: UK Redsox on August 31, 2016, 12:15:54 PM: Quote from: mr underhill on August 31, 2016, 11:42:09 AM
Derby have nipped in for the geezer from Middesboro, according to a few reports. So we keep Adama!

Not according to Sky

Quote
12:10
ADOMAH AT VILLA

Middlesbrough midfielder Albert Adomah is at Aston Villa’s training ground having a medical, according to Sky sources.

Reports that he is on his way to Derby County are inaccurate.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Chris Jameson on August 31, 2016, 12:19:21 PM: Quote from: Keeno on August 31, 2016, 09:45:39 AM
Quote from: kippaxvilla2 on August 31, 2016, 09:39:16 AM
According to The Sun, Aston Villa's move for Hull City striker Abel Hernandez fell apart as he wanted £70,000-a-week in wages, rising to £100,000-a-week if the club won promotion to the Premier League.

He can jog on then. Part of the mess Hull find themselves in currently!

Only Hull won't be paying him anywhere near that amount.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Brian Taylor on August 31, 2016, 12:20:28 PM: Hernandez hideaway? Is he is or is he ain't? Some still believe he is.. but bodymoor spires gone temporarily mutt n Jeff!

Edit

£70k in championship? Unlikely then. He seems like a good player tho. Hope they can sort out at last minute.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Axl Rose on August 31, 2016, 12:27:01 PM: Quote from: PeterWithe on August 30, 2016, 10:27:15 PM
Quote from: Rudy65 on August 30, 2016, 10:24:29 PM
Quote from: Ian J on August 30, 2016, 10:19:39 PM
Quote from: cdbullyweefan on August 30, 2016, 10:15:35 PM
Quote from: Ian J on August 30, 2016, 10:10:42 PM
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 30, 2016, 09:41:25 PM
On the one hand i'm glad we're rebuilding the team, but what we are spending is obscene for this level and i'm not going to be hypocritical about us spending more money than just about any other club in the division can ever dream of, having spent years moaning about Chelsea, Man City etc doing exactly the same thing.
What is really obscene is we are spending all this money, close to £50m and I have not heard of any of these players.

You've not heard of McCormack or Jedinak?
Well maybe those two...but I wouldn't recognise them if I bumped into them on the street. For a start everyone has a fuckoff great big beard now

Nor De Laat or Elphick? You do follow football dont you?

I've had a season ticket at Villa for donkeys years, I'd never heard of Elphick till we were interested in signing him.

I remember Elphick scoring for Brighton against us in a cup game. De laet, I know from being born in Leicester, Chester because my mum is Welsh, and McCormack because he scored alot.

Had never heard of Gollini o Kodija, but am hoping they turn out to be wonderful. I'm happy with our business.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 31, 2016, 12:33:22 PM: Quote from: UK Redsox on August 31, 2016, 12:15:54 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on August 31, 2016, 11:42:09 AM
Derby have nipped in for the geezer from Middesboro, according to a few reports. So we keep Adama!

Not according to Sky

Quote
12:10
ADOMAH AT VILLA

Middlesbrough midfielder Albert Adomah is at Aston Villa’s training ground having a medical, according to Sky sources.

Reports that he is on his way to Derby County are inaccurate.

they never lie Good Old Sky wink
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 31, 2016, 12:40:47 PM: Quote from: brontebilly on August 31, 2016, 11:33:16 AM
For all the money we have spent, I think the squad above is horribly light on depth for the remaining 41 league games. Toner has gone on loan ,rightly so for his development, so that leaves just Baker as our only centre back cover. Gardner, Lyden, Green, Kozak havent shown anything thus far this season or ever really that makes you think they are realistic first team options. Ideally Lyden, Green and RHM would go out on loan for a few months and come back to challenge for places with that experience in them.

I think it was young Green last week on the OS talking about how delighted he was to be given his own first team locker and how being around the first team is like a dream come true. I have a feeling RDM has great faith in the three youngsters and expects them to play their part over the season. Sending them off out on loan may be good for experience but having them feel part of the squad and integrated will do their confidence the world of good.

I've already mentioned how Jedinak could be a great mentor to his fellow Aussie, Lyden. I really rate the lad as he's exactly the type of player we'll need in the team to battle in midfield. The Russian has the energy and speed to come off the bench and give opposition defences something to worry about.

My guess is all three are very much in RDM's plans. I certainly hope so.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: kieron on August 31, 2016, 12:42:33 PM: Xia:

"Will announce the attacking midfielder very soon. @AVFCOfficial #UTV"
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 31, 2016, 12:43:52 PM: Tony says we'll be announcing an attacking midfielder very soon. I hope it's David Platt.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: john2710 on August 31, 2016, 12:50:56 PM: Quote from: kieron on August 31, 2016, 12:42:33 PM
Xia:

"Will announce the attacking midfielder very soon. @AVFCOfficial #UTV"

I wonder who it is? 😏
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mattjpa on August 31, 2016, 12:51:35 PM: Nailed on as Adomah
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 31, 2016, 12:55:23 PM: Would be fine with that plus a couple of loans
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 31, 2016, 12:56:15 PM: I'd like to see another central midfielder and a CB along with Adomah
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 31, 2016, 12:56:23 PM: Wonder what loan deals we have been looking at, and if any of them are still on.

I amuses me that the Evening Mail have the headline 'West Ham to end Micah Richard's Aston Villa nightmare', surely it should read 'West Ham to end Aston Villa's Micah Richards nightmare"?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 31, 2016, 12:57:15 PM: Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 31, 2016, 12:56:15 PM
I'd like to see another central midfielder and a CB along with Adomah

Me too, but I doubt much chance of it.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 31, 2016, 01:00:34 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 31, 2016, 12:57:15 PM
Quote from: Toronto Villa on August 31, 2016, 12:56:15 PM
I'd like to see another central midfielder and a CB along with Adomah

Me too, but I doubt much chance of it.

I'm not being optimistic or pessimistic about our chances. I think a few things can still happen today, Adama, Richards possibly, linked with this Ba bloke yesterday. Maybe the Doc gets a bit saucy on deadline day and wants to go out with a bang. Who knows!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sid1964 on August 31, 2016, 01:02:07 PM: So we have signed 8 players and hopefully there will another on his way soon to us

And still we are saying we a need another Goal Keeper/ Centre Back etc..., we are like the football manager who is always telling his chairman we need another 2 players!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: A Northern Soul on August 31, 2016, 01:04:20 PM: Tony has tweeted a photo of Adomah in Villa shirt
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ajmant on August 31, 2016, 01:06:53 PM: Our Tone gets excited doesn't he. So refreshing.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on August 31, 2016, 01:09:41 PM: Quote from: A Northern Soul on August 31, 2016, 01:04:20 PM
Tony has tweeted a photo of Adomah in Villa shirt

So we'll be looking at an attacking unit of:

Kodjia

Ayew McCormack Adomah
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oldhill_avfc on August 31, 2016, 01:10:30 PM: Quote from: tomd2103 on August 31, 2016, 01:09:41 PM
Quote from: A Northern Soul on August 31, 2016, 01:04:20 PM
Tony has tweeted a photo of Adomah in Villa shirt

So we'll be looking at an attacking unit of:

Kodjia

Ayew McCormack Adomah

Seriously?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: damon loves JT on August 31, 2016, 01:10:52 PM: Quote from: ajmant on August 31, 2016, 01:06:53 PM
Our Tone gets excited doesn't he. So refreshing.

I think he realises how cool it is to be the owner of Aston Villa.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: DB on August 31, 2016, 01:13:07 PM: All these players have got to fit together. It may take time to gel, but on paper, looking pretty good.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Hookeysmith on August 31, 2016, 01:14:45 PM: Kodja
McCormack
Grealish Adomah

Jedinak Thisbola

Amavi Chester Elphick De Laet

Golini

Subs
Gestede
Bunn
Ayew
Baker
Westwood
RHM
Cissoku

Much stronger
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sid1964 on August 31, 2016, 01:15:24 PM: So Grealish is out of the above team?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 31, 2016, 01:17:50 PM: Quote from: oldhill_avfc on August 31, 2016, 01:10:30 PM
Quote from: tomd2103 on August 31, 2016, 01:09:41 PM
Quote from: A Northern Soul on August 31, 2016, 01:04:20 PM
Tony has tweeted a photo of Adomah in Villa shirt

So we'll be looking at an attacking unit of:

Kodjia

Ayew McCormack Adomah

Seriously?

Grealish has to play for me at the moment at least
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on August 31, 2016, 01:28:41 PM: the point of having numerous attacking options is surely that OPTIONS. you don't have to crowbar them all into the starting 11
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 31, 2016, 01:29:43 PM: exactly, either way the top end now looks pretty handy
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: godzvilla on August 31, 2016, 01:52:55 PM: Dispatches ( spurious or otherwise ) from the rumour front have us in for Ulloah who is apparently leaving Leics today...and Wolves tabling a bid for Rudy....make of those as you will. Oh, the Abdoul Ba from Lens to Villa rumour has also re-emerged . It's all good fun...innit?.............Godzvilla!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Brend'Watkins on August 31, 2016, 02:05:48 PM: Quote from: sid1964 on August 31, 2016, 01:15:24 PM
So Grealish is out of the above team?

Grealish is injured as of last night.

He fell out of the transfer window apparently.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sid1964 on August 31, 2016, 02:08:45 PM: So do we think that it will be worth watching Natalie or Hayley tonight on Sky Sports News, just in case we do any late business!!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: RussellC on August 31, 2016, 02:10:37 PM: I think I'd regard Ulloah for Gestede as a decent bit of business. Seems to have much more to his overall game than Rudy.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 31, 2016, 02:11:22 PM: Ba's taller than a giraffe
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: devilla on August 31, 2016, 02:21:31 PM: Quote from: sid1964 on August 31, 2016, 02:08:45 PM
So do we think that it will be worth watching Natalie or Hayley tonight on Sky Sports News, just in case we do any late business!!

It's always worth watching Natalie :)
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: dicedlam on August 31, 2016, 02:24:25 PM: Quote from: Hookeysmith on August 31, 2016, 01:14:45 PM
Kodja
McCormack
Grealish Adomah

Jedinak Thisbola

Amavi Chester Elphick De Laet

Golini

Subs
Gestede
Bunn
Ayew
Baker
Westwood
RHM
Cissoku

Much stronger

Only two players in that side who were with us last season. One who was injured for most of it and the other sat on the bench.
An amazing change around of personnel that hopefully will gel pretty quickly and push us towards an automatic promotion spot.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ClaretAndBlueBlood on August 31, 2016, 02:28:45 PM: Quote from: devilla on August 31, 2016, 02:21:31 PM
Quote from: sid1964 on August 31, 2016, 02:08:45 PM
So do we think that it will be worth watching Natalie or Hayley tonight on Sky Sports News, just in case we do any late business!!

It's always worth watching Natalie :)

ahhhhh Natalie and Kirsty make watching SSN interesting at the dullest of times
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on August 31, 2016, 02:38:14 PM: Xia and RDM have amassed a most impressive squad with cover for most positions.Its a long season in the Championship and we will need everyone to pull their weight.

It's up to RDM and his staff to get results now.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: DB on August 31, 2016, 02:41:52 PM: Quote from: Ron Manager on August 31, 2016, 02:38:14 PM
Xia and RDM have amassed a most impressive squad with cover for most positions.Its a long season in the Championship and we will need everyone to pull their weight.

It's up to RDM and his staff to get results now.

Yes, but a lot of new players to bed in. There may be a few dodgy results before they start to fit together.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 31, 2016, 02:45:44 PM: There are teams he chumps league who cost a fraction of this lot with better records than one win per half year. No more excuses, results needed now and quickly
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: godzvilla on August 31, 2016, 02:47:57 PM: Grealish is injured as of last night.

He fell out of the transfer window apparently.
[/quote]

Quote from: Bren'd on August 31, 2016, 02:05:48 PM
Quote from: sid1964 on August 31, 2016, 01:15:24 PM
So Grealish is out of the above team?

Grealish is injured as of last night.

He fell out of the transfer window apparently.

Does that mean he's out of the frame for the next game ?.....................Godzvilla!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sid1964 on August 31, 2016, 02:48:21 PM: Exactly Mr Underhill, RDM has been given everything he wanted so no more excuses, lets see some wins and start to climb that table rapidly!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on August 31, 2016, 02:51:01 PM: Quote from: godzvilla on August 31, 2016, 02:47:57 PM
Grealish is injured as of last night.

He fell out of the transfer window apparently.

Quote from: Bren'd on August 31, 2016, 02:05:48 PM
Quote from: sid1964 on August 31, 2016, 01:15:24 PM
So Grealish is out of the above team?

Grealish is injured as of last night.

He fell out of the transfer window apparently.

Does that mean he's out of the frame for the next game ?.....................Godzvilla!
[/quote]

Reported that the Manchester Utd owners want him
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: CJ on August 31, 2016, 03:08:08 PM: Pane in the arse if he went there
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on August 31, 2016, 03:20:21 PM: Quote from: CJ on August 31, 2016, 03:08:08 PM
Pane in the arse if he went there

big mistake by Grealish - it would be like climbing Everest to get in that team
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Brend'Watkins on August 31, 2016, 03:23:47 PM: They know what they want and they know that Grealish has an abundance of glass.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: themossman on August 31, 2016, 03:25:11 PM: He's not the finished article though, needs polishing.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Yossarian on August 31, 2016, 03:26:47 PM: I think people are too harsh on Grealish. Their view of him has been tinted but then again he did stain his copybook last season.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 31, 2016, 03:50:00 PM: work is fun

cold san miquel 5.4 %

skysports news on
Talksports on
Newsnow wtching
Heroes and Villains watching

im enjoying this day for a change ;)
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 31, 2016, 03:51:49 PM: I was until we rebuffed Spam's advances for Santa
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Small Rodent on August 31, 2016, 03:57:22 PM: Jack Wilshere has joined Corinthian Casualties
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 31, 2016, 04:03:09 PM: any crutch will do I suppose
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 31, 2016, 04:06:10 PM: Quote from: Small Rodent on August 31, 2016, 03:57:22 PM
Jack Wilshere has joined Corinthian Casualties
they are painting the treatment room, ready for his arrival.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 31, 2016, 04:13:49 PM: As are Middlesbrough
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: The Left Side on August 31, 2016, 04:21:49 PM: Adomah is now officially a Villa man!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: jwarry on August 31, 2016, 04:28:16 PM: So is that us done now, or can we expect a loan do you think??
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on August 31, 2016, 04:34:53 PM: I would think that is that is that.Well done to all concerned.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: darren woolley on August 31, 2016, 04:35:47 PM: I'm more than happy with our transfer dealings we did good.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 31, 2016, 04:37:01 PM: I still think we need another central defender, a playmaker, an experienced keeper, a centre forward who won't be going to the afcon, a sports psychologist and a new statue of William mcgregor.

Hoping we can wrap this up today
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cyrilina on August 31, 2016, 04:57:26 PM: Adama is officially a smoggie too if you missed it - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37236175
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Proposition Joe on August 31, 2016, 04:57:56 PM: Is Adomah the first Albert to play for us since Victorian times?

I'd like one more midfielder who could protect the back 4 and that's it. Unless Lydon could be that guy?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: in exile on August 31, 2016, 04:58:20 PM: I'm very pleased.
I just hope they all gel quickly and we start to get a run of wins going.
Thank you Doctor X
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: villadelph on August 31, 2016, 04:59:24 PM: Quote from: in exile on August 31, 2016, 04:58:20 PM
I'm very pleased.
I just hope they all gel quickly and we start to get a run of wins going.
Thank you Doctor X

Seriously, thank you! 8)
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on August 31, 2016, 05:03:34 PM: we are sorted attack wise

still think we are short in central midfield
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 31, 2016, 05:08:01 PM: Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on August 31, 2016, 05:03:34 PM
we are sorted attack wise

still think we are short in central midfield

Attack wise we have enough for two teams. Like you, I'd like to see another real central midfielder come in. It's going to pointless having all that attacking talent when we can't get hold of the ball.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 31, 2016, 05:08:24 PM: I'd like one more but I doubt it.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 31, 2016, 05:08:26 PM: Yeah would love something like Loftus Cheek on loan to come in last minute in midfield to add a bit of attacking ability to it.

An experienced keeper would be nice.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: john e on August 31, 2016, 05:11:03 PM: I'm not overly convinced with our transfer window if I'm honest
But we needed a good clean out and a new team, hopefully they will all settle in well and start to win games for us
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tim on August 31, 2016, 05:11:30 PM: Mostly unknown entities coming in (for me, at least), however there seems to be a general feeling of positivity around here so I'll go with the flow and say I'm happy... So far.
It's a shame, but we're running out of time to get rid of some of the jokers that are still here. Looks likely that we're stuck with them for now.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Gareth on August 31, 2016, 05:15:37 PM: Wonder if any of the Premier League loving media will tell the truth about Wilshere-such a horrible comfort zone move to go to Bournemouth when he had the chance to show he has balls & experience something different with Milan or Roma. Player who has been given everything on a plate, worshipped by the media & achiever of nothing.

Hope Joe Hart does well, at least he will give it a go.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: WarszaVillan on August 31, 2016, 05:16:31 PM: I'd have liked another central defender seeing as we've sold/loaned out three already. If Richards isn't going that will make him our 4th central defender.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: purpletrousers on August 31, 2016, 05:19:11 PM: OK (editing a list somebody tweeted elsewhere)

After the low of the Luton game, am also largely unfamiliar but there seems to be generally positive response from those that have seen these guys... Is anybody missing from this? It's a lot of business done....
(it makes me wonder if there is almost/a starting 11 from last season gone out of this lot)

OUT
Guzan
Clark
Lescott
Okore
Bennett
Richardson
Crespo
Sanchez
Gana
Veretout
N'zogbia
Traoré
Gil
Sinclair
Robinson

?Agbonlahor & Richards?

IN
Gollini
Elphick
Chester
De Laet
Jedinak
Tshibola
Adomah
McCormack
Kodjia
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: damon loves JT on August 31, 2016, 05:20:14 PM: Quote from: darren woolley on August 31, 2016, 04:35:47 PM
I'm more than happy with our transfer dealings we did good.

yes
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 31, 2016, 05:21:03 PM: Quote from: Matt Collins on August 31, 2016, 04:37:01 PM
I still think we need another central defender, a playmaker, an experienced keeper, a centre forward who won't be going to the afcon, a sports psychologist and a new statue of William mcgregor.

Hoping we can wrap this up today

and new north stand ;D
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: villadelph on August 31, 2016, 05:23:28 PM: Senderos to rangers..
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: damon loves JT on August 31, 2016, 05:26:12 PM: I think we have the players to get us out of this division. They now need to win the games. That's the hard bit.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: dave17 on August 31, 2016, 05:26:26 PM: Hart to Torino and wilshire to Bournemouth....almost like the internationals aren't as good as they're often told
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 31, 2016, 05:27:00 PM: Quote from: damon loves JT on August 31, 2016, 05:26:12 PM
I think we have the players to get us out of this division. They now need to win the games. That's the hard bit.

Agreed. There can be no excuses with the money spent and the squad we have.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villan For Life on August 31, 2016, 05:35:54 PM: Well the good Doctor has certainly used his new broom well in this window. Now if he could send Gabby & Richards out with the recycling then it's as good a window as we've ever had.

Now to win some games.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: themossman on August 31, 2016, 05:37:06 PM: Yeah last season was the speculative squad rebuilding approach. This looks like a team built by the numbers to challenge for promotion. RDM must have been given all or almost all his targets. No excuses now.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on August 31, 2016, 05:39:14 PM: Quote from: Gareth on August 31, 2016, 05:15:37 PM
Wonder if any of the Premier League loving media will tell the truth about Wilshere-such a horrible comfort zone move to go to Bournemouth when he had the chance to show he has balls & experience something different with Milan or Roma. Player who has been given everything on a plate, worshipped by the media & achiever of nothing.

Hope Joe Hart does well, at least he will give it a go.

Apparently he didn't have the chance - he was interested in Roma but Arsenal didn't want to deal with them after they messed them about with another potential signing (Manolas I think it was) earlier in the summer.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: villadelph on August 31, 2016, 05:40:51 PM: Aiden McGeady gathering steam on twitter?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tim on August 31, 2016, 05:42:44 PM: Quote from: purpletrousers on August 31, 2016, 05:19:11 PM
OUT
Guzan
Clark
Lescott
Okore
Bennett
Richardson
Crespo
Sanchez
Gana
Veretout
N'zogbia
Traoré
Gil
Sinclair
Robinson

?Agbonlahor & Richards?

.
Ha ha - after just saying we were likely to be stuck with a few 'unwanteds' I then read through that list. I'm corrected - that is an impressive clear out.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cheltenhamlion on August 31, 2016, 05:48:33 PM: Quote from: villadelph on August 31, 2016, 05:40:51 PM
Aiden McGeady gathering steam on twitter?

After all these years....
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: villadelph on August 31, 2016, 05:49:13 PM: Quote from: cheltenhamlion on August 31, 2016, 05:48:33 PM
Quote from: villadelph on August 31, 2016, 05:40:51 PM
Aiden McGeady gathering steam on twitter?

After all these years....

I should know better..
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: curiousorange on August 31, 2016, 05:55:57 PM: I think any players we now get in - which I don't think will happen anyway - would be squad fillers only. The serious spending is done and it's all been superb. The spine of the team is completely replaced and is better than we could have hoped.

No excuses now.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villafirst on August 31, 2016, 05:56:42 PM: Central defence looks light to me. What happens if/when Elphick or Chester get injured or suspended?. No real experienced cover other than Baker. A concern.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: themossman on August 31, 2016, 05:59:03 PM: Baker is good cover at this level. Plus we have at least 2 others who can fill in there. And that's not including Richards who's still stinking up the place. I think we're OK.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: villadelph on August 31, 2016, 05:59:17 PM: Quote from: Villafirst on August 31, 2016, 05:56:42 PM
Central defence looks light to me. What happens if/when Elphick or Chester get injured or suspended?. No real experienced cover other than Baker. A concern.

offense is the best defense.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on August 31, 2016, 06:02:02 PM: Quote from: villadelph on August 31, 2016, 05:40:51 PM
Aiden McGeady gathering steam on twitter?

Hopefully with Carlton Palmer, Benni McCarthy and David Speedie. They are the final pieces of our jigsaw.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: villadelph on August 31, 2016, 06:03:29 PM: (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CrM_j37WYAEuV-G.jpg)
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on August 31, 2016, 06:06:16 PM: If we can get past midnight without Ayew leaving, and him having the right attitude now on in, that will be the best businees of the window as I was convinced he'd be off. He's the best player in the division when on song.

Watch the bugger leave now....
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: chrisw1 on August 31, 2016, 06:07:09 PM: I remember a lot of us feeling quite positive this time last year!

But yes, an active transfer window. Mixed feelings about the quality, but hopefully RDM has what he wanted and it's enough to get us promoted.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: l_mckay on August 31, 2016, 06:08:17 PM: Think that's us done. Brilliant window I think,time to start winning games now after the international break. UTV!!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 31, 2016, 06:08:47 PM: We were feeling positive but I think the big difference this time is who owns the club, who manages the club and very much the types of player as much as the quality of player we have purchased in context to the situation we find ourselves in. It is a very defined plan that should pay dividends across what is a long season.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: themossman on August 31, 2016, 06:08:50 PM: Quote from: PeterWithe on August 31, 2016, 06:02:02 PM
Quote from: villadelph on August 31, 2016, 05:40:51 PM
Aiden McGeady gathering steam on twitter?

Hopefully with Carlton Palmer, Benni McCarthy and David Speedie. They are the final pieces of our jigsaw.

Mazrim told me we're signing Saviola.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: villadelph on August 31, 2016, 06:09:41 PM: Quote from: chrisw1 on August 31, 2016, 06:07:09 PM
I remember a lot of us feeling quite positive this time last year!

But yes, an active transfer window. Mixed feelings about the quality, but hopefully RDM has what he wanted and it's enough to get us promoted.

Didn't shift nearly as much deadwood last year..
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: themossman on August 31, 2016, 06:10:38 PM: All the new players were punts last year. None of these are.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: avfcpg on August 31, 2016, 06:10:49 PM: Quote from: villadelph on August 31, 2016, 05:59:17 PM
Quote from: Villafirst on August 31, 2016, 05:56:42 PM
Central defence looks light to me. What happens if/when Elphick or Chester get injured or suspended?. No real experienced cover other than Baker. A concern.

offense is the best defense.
We'll go old skool....2-3-5
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: CJ on August 31, 2016, 06:12:19 PM: Quote from: PeterWithe on August 31, 2016, 06:06:16 PM
If we can get past midnight without Ayew leaving, and him having the right attitude now on in, that will be the best businees of the window as I was convinced he'd be off. He's the best player in the division when on song.

Watch the bugger leave now....

Think the window #slams shut at 11.00 (11.30 for loans) so that's an hour saved already
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: old man villa fan on August 31, 2016, 06:12:30 PM: Still think we are light in central midfield.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: purpletrousers on August 31, 2016, 06:12:57 PM: Quote from: villadelph on August 31, 2016, 05:23:28 PM
Senderos to rangers..
That was in Jan, after release to Grasshoppers?

anyone else missing for the in & out this window?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cheltenhamlion on August 31, 2016, 06:13:24 PM: There might be one more as defensive cover but happy with what we have done. We need to spend the next month drilling the buggers on shape on the training ground.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Pat McMahon on August 31, 2016, 06:14:23 PM: Quote from: avfcpg on August 31, 2016, 06:10:49 PM
Quote from: villadelph on August 31, 2016, 05:59:17 PM
Quote from: Villafirst on August 31, 2016, 05:56:42 PM
Central defence looks light to me. What happens if/when Elphick or Chester get injured or suspended?. No real experienced cover other than Baker. A concern.

offense is the best defense.
We'll go old skool....2-3-5

That was the first formation my dad ever taught me on Subbuteo in the late 60s and it was out of date by then!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on August 31, 2016, 06:14:29 PM: old skool 2-3-5? ; all we need now is Kevin Keegan. I'd love it, me.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cheltenhamlion on August 31, 2016, 06:14:52 PM: We also need to remember that this doesn't mean the shopping is done for the season. If we need to add one or two of quality in January to kick start a promotion push then we will do it.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brontebilly on August 31, 2016, 06:23:13 PM: Quote from: dave17 on August 31, 2016, 05:26:26 PM
Hart to Torino and wilshire to Bournemouth....almost like the internationals aren't as good as they're often told

Some fall from grace alright

Seem to recall Hart having a fine season at club level last year, hard to believe his stock would have fallen so low that only a midtable Italian club team would be interested
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: avfcpg on August 31, 2016, 06:25:17 PM: I know I am biased but I find it astonishing that Paddy Power are quoting us as 19/1 to win the league. (Norwich 4.5/1 and Barcodes 4/1).
So tempted to stick an each way on (top 3) before this we click into gear..(we must do soon surely).
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 31, 2016, 06:31:09 PM: Quote from: avfcpg on August 31, 2016, 06:25:17 PM
I know I am biased but I find it astonishing that Paddy Power are quoting us as 19/1 to win the league. (Norwich 4.5/1 and Barcodes 4/1).
So tempted to stick an each way on (top 3) before this we click into gear..(we must do soon surely).

12/1 with coral I got each way top 3
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 31, 2016, 06:42:10 PM: Quote from: avfcpg on August 31, 2016, 06:25:17 PM
I know I am biased but I find it astonishing that Paddy Power are quoting us as 19/1 to win the league. (Norwich 4.5/1 and Barcodes 4/1).
So tempted to stick an each way on (top 3) before this we click into gear..(we must do soon surely).

A solid time to have a flutter. It's dictated in large part by how last season ended and of course how we have started. Get a few quid on!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 31, 2016, 06:42:50 PM: I would take Mcgeady. He's a tricky git that would give us an added option going forward in wide areas.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SheffieldVillain on August 31, 2016, 06:43:32 PM: Quote from: JUAN PABLO on August 31, 2016, 06:31:09 PM
Quote from: avfcpg on August 31, 2016, 06:25:17 PM
I know I am biased but I find it astonishing that Paddy Power are quoting us as 19/1 to win the league. (Norwich 4.5/1 and Barcodes 4/1).
So tempted to stick an each way on (top 3) before this we click into gear..(we must do soon surely).

12/1 with coral I got each way top 3

14/1 with Bet365. I'll have some of that (each way top 3).
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: villadelph on August 31, 2016, 06:48:37 PM: I don't think we're done..
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tom_Mc9? on August 31, 2016, 07:02:13 PM: Quote from: villadelph on August 31, 2016, 06:48:37 PM
I don't think we're done..

I do.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on August 31, 2016, 07:10:42 PM: Going to be strapped in for the roller coaster ride of emotions, looking at the clubs swooping for players having dipped into their war chests on this deadline day SSN bonanza. Will be spine tingling watching Big Ben chime at 11 and the window slamming shut for everybody (bar Arsenal) until January.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 31, 2016, 07:13:48 PM: Not making the play offs will be a failure now surely.

Dr Tony will certainly see it that way given what he's invested so far. I don't see RDM surviving not making the top 6.

Unlike our punts last summer, we have signed 5 players who were key parts of promotion winning teams from this division.

Top 2 is more difficult...need a lot more consistency for that which I'm not sure we're capable of yet.

Still aim has to be in the top 6 at xmas and then really push on second half of the season.

As Chelt says we will be busy again in January I'm sure.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 31, 2016, 07:20:31 PM: This window looks like the classic, buy the best players in the Division that are available.
A lot of credit to the owner and management for over turning the squad so quickly, I will not be happy though until I have seen the wankers that are still here out of the door.
No idea if this set up is good enough to get promotion as it will take time to mould a team but at least we have a chance now.
Still think we will fall short but maybe a play off position.
Need some better luck with injuries as well.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on August 31, 2016, 07:22:29 PM: We need a couple of wins to bind the squad together now.

These two.home games are massive. Forest in particular are on their arse after Burke left with Assombalonga et al massively unhappy about it.

Be nice to get a good win and then back that up against Brentford.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 31, 2016, 07:26:24 PM: Very much so Ads. It's critical that we get a solid couple of wins under our belt now. Take full advantage of those first half chances and most sides won't be able to come back. No excuses now.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: curiousorange on August 31, 2016, 07:28:26 PM: I don't imagine they'll all play at the same time, but it would be quite something to see which defence can resist Kodjia, McCormack, Grealish, Ayew and Adomah.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: JJ-AV on August 31, 2016, 07:30:52 PM: Not getting promotion would be failure. We've an embarrassment of riches at this level.

A Champions League winning manager, 3/4s of a promotion winning back four and three 20 goal strikers.

And that's without considering the pedigree of Jedinak, Ayew, Adomah.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 31, 2016, 07:32:48 PM: Yep we need to start winning games now. Dr Tony has put up the money when some doubted him and now it's up to the team to justify that heavy investment.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 31, 2016, 07:35:27 PM: Quote from: Ads on August 31, 2016, 07:22:29 PM
We need a couple of wins to bind the squad together now.

These two.home games are massive. Forest in particular are on their arse after Burke left with Assombalonga et al massively unhappy about it.

Be nice to get a good win and then back that up against Brentford.

I expect nothing less.

6 points in the bag, confidence flowing, players hardworking, fans cheering and ready to face the Barcodes.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villafirst on August 31, 2016, 07:36:58 PM: Crazy that a club like Leicester can now spend £27m on Slimani. They were a nothing club 5 years ago. Just shows how far Lerner dragged us down. I only wish Dr Xia had bought the club 2 or 3 years ago. At least we haven't had a boring window experienced under Lerner for too many years!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 31, 2016, 07:39:30 PM: Imagine the backing when we are back in the prem!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on August 31, 2016, 07:40:38 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on August 31, 2016, 07:32:48 PM
Yep we need to start winning games now. Dr Tony has put up the money when some doubted him and now it's up to the team to justify that heavy investment.
It'll be tough to get these players gelling quickly, in unison with trying to eradicate that stench of defeatism that's come from the club for the last 4 years. Last season was just horrific. We've flushed a large proportion of those players away now but it's almost like the ground is stained, there's still a fog over the club that needs lifting. I'm kind of glad we've got a little break before the Forest game in order to work on the training ground and get the new boys properly integrated.
We've got three winnable games coming up. The home games in particular are very important. We've got to make VP intimidating.

We've got to be a lot more ruthless when we're on the front foot too. We should have won the last three games comfortably, but we only picked up 2 points.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: john e on August 31, 2016, 07:43:50 PM: Quote from: Villafirst on August 31, 2016, 07:36:58 PM
Crazy that a club like Leicester can now spend £27m on Slimani. They were a nothing club 5 years ago. Just shows how far Lerner dragged us down. I only wish Dr Xia had bought the club 2 or 3 years ago. At least we haven't had a boring window experienced under Lerner for too many years!

You only have to compare the squads of Villa and Crystal Palace to see the difference between a prem club and one that's just been relegated
we've got to get back quickly or it will just get wider
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Le Lapin on August 31, 2016, 07:45:44 PM: Lerner was part of the problem for us alright. But our biggest problem was when Lerner did fork out, Paddy Reilly had identified a wrong type of character for us. Cumulative seasons of different managers and Paddy Reilly signings added to the likes of Gabby etc done us in. God knows how this season is going to pan out....
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on August 31, 2016, 07:51:30 PM: Quote from: john e on August 31, 2016, 07:43:50 PM
Quote from: Villafirst on August 31, 2016, 07:36:58 PM
Crazy that a club like Leicester can now spend £27m on Slimani. They were a nothing club 5 years ago. Just shows how far Lerner dragged us down. I only wish Dr Xia had bought the club 2 or 3 years ago. At least we haven't had a boring window experienced under Lerner for too many years!

You only have to compare the squads of Villa and Crystal Palace to see the difference between a prem club and one that's just been relegated
we've got to get back quickly or it will just get wider
Our squad right now too, looks better than it has since Downing and Young buggered off for me and yet this is a squad well primed for the championship. I think that says a lot about the state of our squad between TSM1 and Sherwood/Garde. A couple of players dragged us over the line for 4 years. When they left we were fucked.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 31, 2016, 07:58:22 PM: We are still and injury away from struggling in the centre of defence and midfield. A loan in those 2 areas would have been ideal, but beyond that we are pretty well set.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 31, 2016, 08:01:57 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on August 31, 2016, 07:58:22 PM
We are still and injury away from struggling in the centre of defence and midfield. A loan in those 2 areas would have been ideal, but beyond that we are pretty well set.

Yep that is the worry.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: stubbsyandy on August 31, 2016, 08:04:06 PM: Somewhere between rabid optimism and total depression would be welcome on this thread guys
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on August 31, 2016, 08:11:52 PM: I'm feeling more confident and assured about something resembling success than I have for several years...credit to Dr Tony for putting the money where his mouth is and being so hands on and RDM/SC/KB for identifying the right sort of players to get us out towards the top of this league... and whoever did the work on shifting out some of the deadwood - a bloody medal.

Now, win lots of games please!

UTV!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on August 31, 2016, 08:13:50 PM: Biggest spenders according to the BBC -

Us : £59m
Newcastle : £57m
Norwich : £10.5m

That's quite a jump from second to third.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 31, 2016, 08:17:00 PM: Quote from: Dave on August 31, 2016, 08:13:50 PM
Biggest spenders according to the BBC -

Us : £59m
Newcastle : £57m
Norwich : £10.5m

That's quite a jump from second to third.

When things settle down and over a long season you would have to think that the quality we have invested in will start to make a difference. There has been tremendous upheaval at the club and it is showing itself on the pitch through our inconsistency. However we can neither win or lose promotion at this stage, and our competition, Newcastle aside just don't have the capacity or resources much beyond their first XI. It should make a difference later on the season as sides start picking up injuries and suspensions. Still going to be tough and nobody is going to roll over for us, but if we get a bit of momentum as Newcastle have started to do we should be just fine.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on August 31, 2016, 08:18:22 PM: Agree very much Frank. For the first time in nearly ten years I feel we have a plan. We have almost assembled a full team to do a job. The campaign to climb back to the top flight starts here.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 31, 2016, 08:21:33 PM: Quote from: Dave on August 31, 2016, 08:13:50 PM
Biggest spenders according to the BBC -

Us : £59m
Newcastle : £57m
Norwich : £10.5m

That's quite a jump from second to third.

It is quite a lot of faith in RdM by Tony too, considering Newcastle have recouped somewhere near 84m of their spend.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: garyshawsknee on August 31, 2016, 08:23:18 PM: Im happy with our options, especially upfront, just a tad worried that we are two or so injuries away from Gardener and Baker from starting, think we could do with another centre back.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 31, 2016, 08:30:03 PM: Quote from: Dave on August 31, 2016, 08:13:50 PM
Biggest spenders according to the BBC -

Us : £59m
Newcastle : £57m
Norwich : £10.5m

That's quite a jump from second to third.

No idea how they got those numbers. Assuming today was a swap, I think PWS's number yesterday was around £32.5m with ins and outs.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Hookeysmith on August 31, 2016, 08:32:30 PM: Quote from: Dave on August 31, 2016, 08:13:50 PM
Biggest spenders according to the BBC -

Us : £59m
Newcastle : £57m
Norwich : £10.5m

That's quite a jump from second to third.

Be interesting to see how that spend compares to our Chinese owned mega club local rivals the Bitters and the Dingles
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: berneboy on August 31, 2016, 08:33:14 PM: Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on August 31, 2016, 08:30:03 PM
Quote from: Dave on August 31, 2016, 08:13:50 PM
Biggest spenders according to the BBC -

Us : £59m
Newcastle : £57m
Norwich : £10.5m

That's quite a jump from second to third.

No idea how they got those numbers. Assuming today was a swap, I think PWS's number yesterday was around £32.5m with ins and outs.

I'd guess these are best-guess aggregate spend without allowing for sales.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 31, 2016, 08:33:20 PM: Quote from: Dave on August 31, 2016, 08:13:50 PM
Biggest spenders according to the BBC -

Us : £59m
Newcastle : £57m
Norwich : £10.5m

That's quite a jump from second to third.

And last I saw, Newcastle were in profit on transfers.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 31, 2016, 08:39:49 PM: Yes they must be gross spend figures

I think we need to allow a little time for the team to settle down. We've more or less bought a whole new side and that will inevitably lead to inconsistency

But from xmas on we need to be motoring - afcon or no afcon
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on August 31, 2016, 08:44:33 PM: Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on August 31, 2016, 08:30:03 PM
Quote from: Dave on August 31, 2016, 08:13:50 PM
Biggest spenders according to the BBC -

Us : £59m
Newcastle : £57m
Norwich : £10.5m

That's quite a jump from second to third.

No idea how they got those numbers. Assuming today was a swap, I think PWS's number yesterday was around £32.5m with ins and outs.

Add the fees received from Gana, Clark, Sinclair to PWS's net figure from yesterday and today's £7m approx for Adomah and you're pretty much at their figure.

I'm not sure how safe it is to assume that today was a swap either.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Rudy65 on August 31, 2016, 08:44:57 PM: Quote from: PeterWithe on August 31, 2016, 06:06:16 PM
If we can get past midnight without Ayew leaving, and him having the right attitude now on in, that will be the best businees of the window as I was convinced he'd be off. He's the best player in the division when on song.

Watch the bugger leave now....

Best player in the division? He isnt evern the best striker at the club
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: john2710 on August 31, 2016, 08:45:02 PM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 31, 2016, 08:33:20 PM
Quote from: Dave on August 31, 2016, 08:13:50 PM
Biggest spenders according to the BBC -

Us : £59m
Newcastle : £57m
Norwich : £10.5m

That's quite a jump from second to third.

And last I saw, Newcastle were in profit on transfers.

Both Norwich & particularly Newcastle spent a fortune in January, whilst we didn't. I'm not overly concerned on our net spend, the players now need to deliver. I'm confident they will.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ktvillan on August 31, 2016, 08:45:12 PM: You have to admire Xia for putting his money where his mouth is and the club for clearing out the bulk of the deadwood and wasters. We seem to have gone heavy on attackers and I still think we are a little light in midfield and centre back, but we should be seeing plenty of goals, possibly at both ends. I'm also still not convinced by our GK options. Does anyone know if the Adama/Adomah thing was a straight swap or what fees were involved?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on August 31, 2016, 08:46:42 PM: Quote from: PeterWithesShin on August 31, 2016, 08:33:20 PM
Quote from: Dave on August 31, 2016, 08:13:50 PM
Biggest spenders according to the BBC -

Us : £59m
Newcastle : £57m
Norwich : £10.5m

That's quite a jump from second to third.

And last I saw, Newcastle were in profit on transfers.

With another £30m to come for Sissoko
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: dorsetvillian on August 31, 2016, 08:46:53 PM: The new owner has certainly backed the new management team and purchased the type of players to get us out of this league as soon as possible. With practically a new team, it is obvious it will take time for the team to gel, but with this squad we need fear no other team in the league. UTV
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 31, 2016, 09:06:16 PM: Given we were discussing mccormack's position this article may be of interest. I did wonder why he wasn't getting picked for a very average Scotland squad

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37238192
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: MonsXI on August 31, 2016, 09:17:19 PM: Quote from: Matt Collins on August 31, 2016, 09:06:16 PM
Given we were discussing mccormack's position this article may be of interest. I did wonder why he wasn't getting picked for a very average Scotland squad

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37238192

Arguably the best player in the championship for the last four years but Warnock doesn't know where to play him? Says a lot more about Neil than it does about Ross.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: jwarry on August 31, 2016, 09:26:12 PM: 15 out and 8 in is some turnover. Fingers crossed!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 31, 2016, 09:29:19 PM: Quote from: Rudy65 on August 31, 2016, 08:44:57 PM
Quote from: PeterWithe on August 31, 2016, 06:06:16 PM
If we can get past midnight without Ayew leaving, and him having the right attitude now on in, that will be the best businees of the window as I was convinced he'd be off. He's the best player in the division when on song.

Watch the bugger leave now....

Best player in the division? He isnt evern the best striker at the club

Nor is he the best drummer in the Beatles.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 31, 2016, 09:30:17 PM: Quote from: MonsXI on August 31, 2016, 09:17:19 PM
Quote from: Matt Collins on August 31, 2016, 09:06:16 PM
Given we were discussing mccormack's position this article may be of interest. I did wonder why he wasn't getting picked for a very average Scotland squad

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37238192

Arguably the best player in the championship for the last four years but Warnock doesn't know where to play him? Says a lot more about Neil than it does about Ross.

It is a bit odd - it's not like the no 10 role is that unusual! Perhaps it's that he doesn't really give you any of the benefits you might normally get - of someone who can make up that third central midfielder?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 31, 2016, 09:36:33 PM: Quote from: Matt Collins on August 31, 2016, 09:06:16 PM
Given we were discussing mccormack's position this article may be of interest. I did wonder why he wasn't getting picked for a very average Scotland squad

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37238192

Quote
So the only role I could give him really was in the hole like a number 10 behind the striker.

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Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: villabear on August 31, 2016, 09:40:08 PM: Don't know if it's been posted before but I think Keith Wyness deserves a lot of credit not only in doing the work to get the players in but especially in getting rid of certain individuals.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: garyshawsknee on August 31, 2016, 09:42:26 PM: Is Hutton still with us ? I don't mean in a celebrity death watch way.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Richard E on August 31, 2016, 09:43:19 PM: At some point this season we are going to whip someone 6-0 and I can't bloody wait.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on August 31, 2016, 09:45:27 PM: More than once I reckon if we get our confidence up.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 31, 2016, 09:52:53 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on August 31, 2016, 09:45:27 PM
More than once I reckon if we get our confidence up.
This
Ross will score a long ranger any moment now also
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tony Erdington on August 31, 2016, 09:56:05 PM: Quote from: villabear on August 31, 2016, 09:40:08 PM
Don't know if it's been posted before but I think Keith Wyness deserves a lot of credit not only in doing the work to get the players in but especially in getting rid of certain individuals.

Dude,

quality, comment.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on August 31, 2016, 09:56:59 PM: Quote from: Richard E on August 31, 2016, 09:43:19 PM
At some point this season we are going to whip someone 6-0 and I can't bloody wait.

I seem to remember us giving Plymouth that kind of hammering the last time we were in the second tier.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: IAmTheOneIanOlney on August 31, 2016, 09:59:53 PM: We're done, Tony says so on Twitter.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on August 31, 2016, 10:01:23 PM: Quote from: IAmTheOneIanOlney on August 31, 2016, 09:59:53 PM
We're done, Tony says so on Twitter.

Well if anyone would know, it's Dr X.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: IAmTheOneIanOlney on August 31, 2016, 10:02:05 PM: Dr. Tony Xia
@Dr_TonyXia

We're done this window. Nothing can be perfect as we tried2 more. But we achieved our early plan!Great work by the whole new team! #UTV

1:58 pm - 31 Aug 2016
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on August 31, 2016, 10:02:18 PM: Quote from: old man villa fan on August 31, 2016, 06:12:30 PM
Still think we are light in central midfield.

totally

we are sorted attacking wise but centrally in midfield we have tshibola, jedi, pointy and gardner
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 31, 2016, 10:05:24 PM: Quote from: IAmTheOneIanOlney on August 31, 2016, 10:02:05 PM
Dr. Tony Xia
@Dr_TonyXia

We're done this window. Nothing can be perfect as we tried2 more. But we achieved our early plan!Great work by the whole new team! #UTV

1:58 pm - 31 Aug 2016

It's fair enough. The sort of overhaul we were trying this summer was never going to be fully completed. We've done well.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Meanwood Villa on August 31, 2016, 10:06:45 PM: Let's not get too back slapping until we've won some games and are near the top of the league. Lots of people were pleased with our business last summer and Lerner, Sherwood et al were getting the kind of praise Tony and RDM are now. This could still turn to shit. The scars from last year will take a long time to heal.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt Collins on August 31, 2016, 10:10:22 PM: Yes, I'm still wary of the Villa curse

A key difference this time though - proven quality at this level throughout the side now - with the exception of the keeper
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on August 31, 2016, 10:14:01 PM: Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on August 31, 2016, 10:02:18 PM
Quote from: old man villa fan on August 31, 2016, 06:12:30 PM
Still think we are light in central midfield.

totally

we are sorted attacking wise but centrally in midfield we have tshibola, jedi, pointy and gardner
I keep on doing so, but we shouldn't forget about Lyden.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: duncan on August 31, 2016, 10:21:47 PM: David Luiz and jack Wilshire pass at the airport.........

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Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: thick_mike on August 31, 2016, 10:23:54 PM: Quote from: duncan on August 31, 2016, 10:21:47 PM
David Luiz and jack Wilshire pass at the airport.........

(https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14212767_10154517094848593_4885802700752223274_n.jpg?oh=02cedf3bf61ac895cda0a0f3e45e1c22&oe=584C81FB)

Brilliant!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 31, 2016, 10:28:06 PM: Quote from: Dave on August 31, 2016, 08:44:33 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on August 31, 2016, 08:30:03 PM
Quote from: Dave on August 31, 2016, 08:13:50 PM
Biggest spenders according to the BBC -

Us : £59m
Newcastle : £57m
Norwich : £10.5m

That's quite a jump from second to third.

No idea how they got those numbers. Assuming today was a swap, I think PWS's number yesterday was around £32.5m with ins and outs.

Add the fees received from Gana, Clark, Sinclair to PWS's net figure from yesterday and today's £7m approx for Adomah and you're pretty much at their figure.

I'm not sure how safe it is to assume that today was a swap either.

If I recall correctly, PWS's figures included sales, so even assuming we paid £7m today for Adomah and gave away Adama (which I seriously doubt), that's still only an additional £7m, still £20m short the BBC number.

They'll be time to take a closer look, right now I just want see us in another game.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on August 31, 2016, 10:34:02 PM: Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on August 31, 2016, 10:28:06 PM
Quote from: Dave on August 31, 2016, 08:44:33 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on August 31, 2016, 08:30:03 PM
Quote from: Dave on August 31, 2016, 08:13:50 PM
Biggest spenders according to the BBC -

Us : £59m
Newcastle : £57m
Norwich : £10.5m

That's quite a jump from second to third.

No idea how they got those numbers. Assuming today was a swap, I think PWS's number yesterday was around £32.5m with ins and outs.

Add the fees received from Gana, Clark, Sinclair to PWS's net figure from yesterday and today's £7m approx for Adomah and you're pretty much at their figure.

I'm not sure how safe it is to assume that today was a swap either.

If I recall correctly, PWS's figures included sales, so even assuming we paid £7m today for Adomah and gave away Adama (which I seriously doubt), that's still only an additional £7m, still £20m short the BBC number

That's the point - PWS's figures are net, the BBC are just going on fees paid.

So £3m for Elphick, £4m for Gollini, £7m for Chester, £4m for Jedinak, £12m for McCormack, £6m for Adomah, £5m for Tshibola, £11m for Kodjia and £6m for De Laet comes in at around £60m.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cdward on August 31, 2016, 10:38:03 PM: Quote from: Matt Collins on August 31, 2016, 09:06:16 PM
Given we were discussing mccormack's position this article may be of interest. I did wonder why he wasn't getting picked for a very average Scotland squad

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37238192

I'm glad he isn't getting picked for Scotland. No chance of him getting injured. Want him fit and hungry for us.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 31, 2016, 10:39:07 PM: Those Beeb figures are only for purchases. And my figures would have been wrong as I completely forgot about Sinclair, and thinking about it, Chester. So I may have forgotten someone else as well!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on August 31, 2016, 10:40:03 PM: I appreciate that it's the hope that kills you, but I am really optimistic. Up via the play off final! That would be one great day out.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 31, 2016, 10:42:05 PM: Quote from: Dave on August 31, 2016, 10:34:02 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on August 31, 2016, 10:28:06 PM
Quote from: Dave on August 31, 2016, 08:44:33 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on August 31, 2016, 08:30:03 PM
Quote from: Dave on August 31, 2016, 08:13:50 PM
Biggest spenders according to the BBC -

Us : £59m
Newcastle : £57m
Norwich : £10.5m

That's quite a jump from second to third.

No idea how they got those numbers. Assuming today was a swap, I think PWS's number yesterday was around £32.5m with ins and outs.

Add the fees received from Gana, Clark, Sinclair to PWS's net figure from yesterday and today's £7m approx for Adomah and you're pretty much at their figure.

I'm not sure how safe it is to assume that today was a swap either.

If I recall correctly, PWS's figures included sales, so even assuming we paid £7m today for Adomah and gave away Adama (which I seriously doubt), that's still only an additional £7m, still £20m short the BBC number

That's the point - PWS's figures are net, the BBC are just going on fees paid.

So £3m for Elphick, £4m for Gollini, £7m for Chester, £4m for Jedinak, £12m for McCormack, £6m for Adomah, £5m for Tshibola, £11m for Kodjia and £6m for De Last comes in at around £60m.

http://www.transfermarkt.com/aston-villa/transfers/verein/405/saison_id/2016
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: eamonn on August 31, 2016, 10:50:01 PM: De Laet was no way £6m.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on August 31, 2016, 10:50:31 PM: Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on August 31, 2016, 10:42:05 PM
Quote from: Dave on August 31, 2016, 10:34:02 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on August 31, 2016, 10:28:06 PM
Quote from: Dave on August 31, 2016, 08:44:33 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on August 31, 2016, 08:30:03 PM
Quote from: Dave on August 31, 2016, 08:13:50 PM
Biggest spenders according to the BBC -

Us : £59m
Newcastle : £57m
Norwich : £10.5m

That's quite a jump from second to third.

No idea how they got those numbers. Assuming today was a swap, I think PWS's number yesterday was around £32.5m with ins and outs.

Add the fees received from Gana, Clark, Sinclair to PWS's net figure from yesterday and today's £7m approx for Adomah and you're pretty much at their figure.

I'm not sure how safe it is to assume that today was a swap either.

If I recall correctly, PWS's figures included sales, so even assuming we paid £7m today for Adomah and gave away Adama (which I seriously doubt), that's still only an additional £7m, still £20m short the BBC number

That's the point - PWS's figures are net, the BBC are just going on fees paid.

So £3m for Elphick, £4m for Gollini, £7m for Chester, £4m for Jedinak, £12m for McCormack, £6m for Adomah, £5m for Tshibola, £11m for Kodjia and £6m for De Last comes in at around £60m.

http://www.transfermarkt.com/aston-villa/transfers/verein/405/saison_id/2016

Well, quite.

They say we've spent €58m. Which given they've guessed at a few fees and the BBC have guessed at a few fees, suggests we're all reading from the same page are we not?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 31, 2016, 10:54:51 PM: I wish I could get one for one Euro to the Pound, Dave.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: olaftab on August 31, 2016, 11:00:18 PM: Quote from: Dave on August 31, 2016, 08:13:50 PM
Biggest spenders according to the BBC -

Us : £59m
Newcastle : £57m
Norwich : £10.5m

That's quite a jump from second to third.
Well it may look like 57M on paper but in reality we have spent about only exactly 2M net and that's just not acceptable. It's as if Lerner never went away. Massive let down for me and another window wasted.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 31, 2016, 11:00:28 PM: Quote from: eamonn on August 31, 2016, 10:50:01 PM
De Laet was no way £6m.

£2m according to the Meaning Evil, E&S and Leicester Mercury. £2.5m according to The Sun.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on August 31, 2016, 11:00:37 PM: Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on August 31, 2016, 10:54:51 PM
I wish I could get one for one Euro to the Pound, Dave.

Give it a few more weeks...

But I'm going to guess that the BBC are working on more accurate fees than "?", which is apparently what Adomah cost according to that link.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: olaftab on August 31, 2016, 11:02:49 PM: Quote from: Dave on August 31, 2016, 10:34:02 PM
De Laet comes in at around £60m.
OMG 60M for a right back...now we are talking. Just forget everything I said above. I like Tone.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brontebilly on August 31, 2016, 11:03:05 PM: over for another few months, what to do with Richards and Agbonlahor
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: olaftab on August 31, 2016, 11:04:46 PM: Quote from: brontebilly on August 31, 2016, 11:03:05 PM
over for another few months, what to do with Richards and Agbonlahor
Surely we need gardening staff at BMH? And someone to rearrange the cones.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on August 31, 2016, 11:07:42 PM: Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on August 31, 2016, 11:00:28 PM
Quote from: eamonn on August 31, 2016, 10:50:01 PM
De Laet was no way £6m.

£2m according to the Meaning Evil, E&S and Leicester Mercury. £2.5m according to The Sun.

So £54m then. Considering some places reported Elphick as £4m rather than £3m, Chester as £8m rather than £7m and Tshibola as £6m rather than £5m, we're still a fair bit closer to the £59m than the thirty something figure aren't we?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: AvFc4eVeR on August 31, 2016, 11:08:09 PM: Quote from: brontebilly on August 31, 2016, 11:03:05 PM
over for another few months, what to do with Richards and Agbonlahor

They could don the Hercules and Bella costumes for reserve matches....

Let's be honest, it means no one has to see their miserable faces and it'll be the most work the pair have undertaken in the last 12 months!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 31, 2016, 11:11:22 PM: Quote from: Dave on August 31, 2016, 11:07:42 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on August 31, 2016, 11:00:28 PM
Quote from: eamonn on August 31, 2016, 10:50:01 PM
De Laet was no way £6m.

£2m according to the Meaning Evil, E&S and Leicester Mercury. £2.5m according to The Sun.

So £54m then. Considering some places reported Elphick as £4m rather than £3m, Chester as £8m rather than £7m and Tshibola as £6m rather than £5m, we're still a fair bit closer to the £59m than the thirty something figure aren't we?

Dave, once again, I was referring to the net value. Still, we've spent more than anybody else this window, on that we can agree.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: leylandalbion on August 31, 2016, 11:14:56 PM: What ever we spent Dr x promised 30-40m and he delivered already said on twitter that he will cover ACN absences with loans in Jan. Can't fault him at the moment.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: olaftab on August 31, 2016, 11:16:07 PM: Fair play to Hayley on SSN putting in a long shift despite being preggers!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on August 31, 2016, 11:17:26 PM: Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on August 31, 2016, 11:11:22 PM
Quote from: Dave on August 31, 2016, 11:07:42 PM
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on August 31, 2016, 11:00:28 PM
Quote from: eamonn on August 31, 2016, 10:50:01 PM
De Laet was no way £6m.

£2m according to the Meaning Evil, E&S and Leicester Mercury. £2.5m according to The Sun.

So £54m then. Considering some places reported Elphick as £4m rather than £3m, Chester as £8m rather than £7m and Tshibola as £6m rather than £5m, we're still a fair bit closer to the £59m than the thirty something figure aren't we?

Dave, once again, I was referring to the net value. Still, we've spent more than anybody else this window, on that we can agree.

Yes, I think that's pretty clear.

I'm just pointing out that when you said that you had "no idea how they got those numbers", that they weren't referring to the net value.

And that's how they got those numbers.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: olaftab on August 31, 2016, 11:17:53 PM: Quote from: leylandalbion on August 31, 2016, 11:14:56 PM
What ever we spent Dr x promised 30-40m and he delivered already said on twitter that he will cover ACN absences with loans in Jan. Can't fault him at the moment.
Yeh yeh but he's spent next to nothing net.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cdward on August 31, 2016, 11:28:35 PM: Taking the accountants view on player amortisation (cost of player spread out over length of contract), let's say we spent £60m, with players on 4 year contracts, it can be read as £15m a year.
All clubs seem to pay on instalments now, so it isn't really £60m in one lump.
Small change in the PL, which is why we are spending.

I'm no accountant but that is my understanding.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 31, 2016, 11:38:25 PM: Quote from: cdward on August 31, 2016, 11:28:35 PM
Taking the accountants view on player amortisation (cost of player spread out over length of contract), let's say we spent £60m, with players on 4 year contracts, it can be read as £15m a year.
All clubs seem to pay on instalments now, so it isn't really £60m in one lump.
Small change in the PL, which is why we are spending.

I'm no accountant but that is my understanding.

That's their transfer value but you've normally got to assume that buying £60m of talent is going to add to the yearly wage bill. That cost cannot be avoided and is the noose that strangles clubs unless the books are balanced.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on August 31, 2016, 11:39:51 PM: Central midfield is light.

Jedinak and Tshibola I'd back to excel as a two. After that we have Pointy. Hmmm. Then Gardner. Hmmmm!

As a three they could get away with it or against somebody whom our full backs and wingers press the life out and we end up playing the game 15 yards further up the pitch, then maybe as a two.

I'd fancy Bacuna more as he's at least athletic and offers some dynamism. He's going to be key as full back, wide and central midfield cover. Layden is also a name and he may get some game time too.

Not masses of depth though.

Baker is adequate at this level, especially next to Elphick. De Laet is big enough to fill a gap and Toner will hopefully come back with 15 to 20 plus games under his belt and some more knowhow. You've got Richards after that. Hmmmm mmm!

Left back, out wide, creatively and up front we look well stocked.

Against Forest I would expect Kodjia up top, McScoremack behind, Grealish left and Adomah right, with Gestede and Ayew on the bench.

If anybody can point to a side with better attacking options in this league I'd like to know.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KevinGage on August 31, 2016, 11:42:58 PM: Personally think we are short of a CM, goalkeeper and a centre back.

Rome wasn't built in a day, but if you had told me we'd be spending circa £50 million in the Championship, I'd have hoped to have those spots covered.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 31, 2016, 11:50:58 PM: The numbers spent at Villa and elsewhere in the England just demonstrate that the priority should be a decent youth system and scouting.

The current system is bonkers when developing one player could fund the development of numerous more. Investment in coaches, facilities and accessible training sessions is the way forward.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brontebilly on August 31, 2016, 11:58:00 PM: Not sure how Norwich have been able to hang on to Robbie Brady, he is easily top division standard. That aside, they look workmanlike but reliant on Cameron Jerome up top.

Newcastle somehow have improved their squad, cut out the wasters and banked 40m odd profit. The likes of Sissoko particularly was diabolical last season.

Ritchie, Gayle, Lascelles, Diame, Mitrovic, Shelvey if he hits form... they really should walk the division now and plenty of cash available to top up in

Anya and Vydra are solid signings but Derby dont look great to be honest, Sheff Wed and Brighton will be up there but hard to make a case for them improving from last season either.

With the money we have spent, it should be comfortable promotion with Newcastle.

If not, I fear for the financial stability of AVFC.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KevinGage on August 31, 2016, 11:59:43 PM: Did Wednesday get Jordan Rhodes in the end?

If they managed that, that is some forward line for the Chumpionship.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on September 01, 2016, 12:52:32 AM: Doesn't look like it. I reckon there are some really decent sides and signings been made in this league though, and we will do well to get up. Newcastle should walk it on paper by a distance.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on September 01, 2016, 04:02:56 AM: I have just noticed Berahino has failed again in his never ending attempt to get out of West Brom. That's four windows if my maths are correct.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on September 01, 2016, 05:13:24 AM: that's because he really isn't that good
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on September 01, 2016, 06:38:17 AM: It's because West Brom have an absurd valuation of him despite him running his contact down. He will be gone cheaply in Jan I would suspect. Especially with the quality of forwards they have signed this window!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sid1964 on September 01, 2016, 06:58:40 AM: We need to get promotion in the either this or next season otherwise, I think that we could go into financial meltdown
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on September 01, 2016, 07:36:38 AM: Quote from: sid1964 on September 01, 2016, 06:58:40 AM
We need to get promotion in the either this or next season otherwise, I think that we could go into financial meltdown
and what evidence do you have to support that?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sid1964 on September 01, 2016, 08:00:22 AM: Attendances will drop like a stone if we are still in the Championship in 2 seasons time, Financial Fair Play rules will kick in, Sponsorships will decrease in value etc.....

Salaries for the new players will still be based as they are now, which will be unsustainable in the Championship
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dave on September 01, 2016, 08:09:45 AM: Quote from: sid1964 on September 01, 2016, 08:00:22 AM
Attendances will drop like a stone if we are still in the Championship in 2 seasons time, Financial Fair Play rules will kick in, Sponsorships will decrease in value etc.....

Salaries for the new players will still be based as they are now, which will be unsustainable in the Championship

If we are (and given what has been invested it can be considered a massive failure if we're still in the Championship in one season, let alone two) then I imagine we'll just ignore Financial Fair Play rules like Boro did last season and Bournemouth did the season before that.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: themossman on September 01, 2016, 08:16:45 AM: Does anyone else think it's extremely sad when loanees like Wilshire get the whole stretching the shirt treatment?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Hookeysmith on September 01, 2016, 08:24:58 AM: Surprise, surprise Tiny Penis buys another defender
What a shithouse of a club and manager
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on September 01, 2016, 09:24:09 AM: Quote from: Ron Manager on September 01, 2016, 07:36:38 AM
Quote from: sid1964 on September 01, 2016, 06:58:40 AM
We need to get promotion in the either this or next season otherwise, I think that we could go into financial meltdown
and what evidence do you have to support that?

getting a whopping 14 million in parachute money in season 3 (a drop of 50 million compared to last season) is worrying

for two seasons we can manage
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on September 01, 2016, 01:23:18 PM: just read that Marseille made and failed with a last gasp £11m bid for Ayew. Turned down by the good Doctor as no time to land a replacement.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on September 01, 2016, 01:48:23 PM: Quote from: mr underhill on September 01, 2016, 01:23:18 PM
just read that Marseille made and failed with a last gasp £11m bid for Ayew. Turned down by the good Doctor as no time to land a replacement.

i would have taken the money

we have kodija, adomah, gestede, grealish, mcormack, kozak (coughs)

i think we will see plenty of sulks in the near future
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: DB on September 01, 2016, 02:00:45 PM: So SkySports jizzfest continues, over the window they have stated we have spent more than both CL finalists and would be 9th highest spenders in the PL (if we were still there). The Championship spent more than Ligue 1 in France.
Interesting huh?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: villadelph on September 01, 2016, 02:05:52 PM: Quote from: DB on September 01, 2016, 02:00:45 PM
So SkySports jizzfest continues, over the window they have stated we have spent more than both CL finalists and would be 9th highest spenders in the PL (if we were still there). The Championship spent more than Ligue 1 in France.
Interesting huh?

BOSS.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: chrisw1 on September 01, 2016, 03:15:24 PM: Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on September 01, 2016, 01:48:23 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on September 01, 2016, 01:23:18 PM
just read that Marseille made and failed with a last gasp £11m bid for Ayew. Turned down by the good Doctor as no time to land a replacement.

i would have taken the money

we have kodija, adomah, gestede, grealish, mcormack, kozak (coughs)

i think we will see plenty of sulks in the near future
Would have been madness to sell him. He doesn't have to smile, just play well. He has always worked hard and he could be vital for us this season.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: timeoutbigbar on September 01, 2016, 03:41:59 PM: Quote from: DB on September 01, 2016, 02:00:45 PM
So SkySports jizzfest continues, over the window they have stated we have spent more than both CL finalists and would be 9th highest spenders in the PL (if we were still there). The Championship spent more than Ligue 1 in France.
Interesting huh?

And if we'd spent nothing the story would be about a lack of ambition and the dangers of foreign ownership and how the club is in turmoil. There's a stick to beat us with no matter what.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on September 01, 2016, 03:50:22 PM: Quote from: mr underhill on September 01, 2016, 01:23:18 PM
just read that Marseille made and failed with a last gasp £11m bid for Ayew. Turned down by the good Doctor as no time to land a replacement.

Do Marseille only have 1 scout and he happens to live in Aston?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 01, 2016, 03:52:41 PM: Quote from: chrisw1 on September 01, 2016, 03:15:24 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on September 01, 2016, 01:48:23 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on September 01, 2016, 01:23:18 PM
just read that Marseille made and failed with a last gasp £11m bid for Ayew. Turned down by the good Doctor as no time to land a replacement.

i would have taken the money

we have kodija, adomah, gestede, grealish, mcormack, kozak (coughs)

i think we will see plenty of sulks in the near future
Would have been madness to sell him. He doesn't have to smile, just play well. He has always worked hard and he could be vital for us this season.

Correct.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sid1964 on September 01, 2016, 03:56:47 PM: According to Di Mateo in the Mail our net spend was £30 million
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: villadelph on September 01, 2016, 04:01:33 PM: Any idea on the wage structure.. I haven't seen any of the personal terms on the new players.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on September 01, 2016, 04:09:47 PM: I'm unconvinced by Ayew. Bought as a forward 12 months ago and Villa have never won when he has scored. I know we haven't won many when he hasn't scored, but we don't need forwards with that kind of record. He wouldn't make my starting 11 at the moment based on this alone never mind his temperament and sulks.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ron Manager on September 01, 2016, 04:16:38 PM: Quote from: Abbeyfealeavfc on September 01, 2016, 04:09:47 PM
I'm unconvinced by Ayew. Bought as a forward 12 months ago and Villa have never won when he has scored. I know we haven't won many when he hasn't scored, but we don't need forwards with that kind of record. He wouldn't make my starting 11 at the moment based on this alone never mind his temperament and sulks.

Can and does beat players with ease. Works for the team and just needs a couple of goals to start a run. Gestede now we have Adomah to supply him will be an important player for us this season.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on September 01, 2016, 04:18:30 PM: Quote from: chrisw1 on September 01, 2016, 03:15:24 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on September 01, 2016, 01:48:23 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on September 01, 2016, 01:23:18 PM
just read that Marseille made and failed with a last gasp £11m bid for Ayew. Turned down by the good Doctor as no time to land a replacement.

i would have taken the money

we have kodija, adomah, gestede, grealish, mcormack, kozak (coughs)

i think we will see plenty of sulks in the near future
Would have been madness to sell him. He doesn't have to smile, just play well. He has always worked hard and he could be vital for us this season.

play well like he did at bristol then sulked?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Chris Jameson on September 01, 2016, 05:02:22 PM: Quote from: villadelph on September 01, 2016, 04:01:33 PM
Any idea on the wage structure.. I haven't seen any of the personal terms on the new players.

It's always baffled me why people need to know such things. Those that do, can I ask why?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Des Little on September 01, 2016, 05:07:53 PM: [/quote]
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on September 01, 2016, 04:18:30 PM
Quote from: chrisw1 on September 01, 2016, 03:15:24 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on September 01, 2016, 01:48:23 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on September 01, 2016, 01:23:18 PM
just read that Marseille made and failed with a last gasp £11m bid for Ayew. Turned down by the good Doctor as no time to land a replacement.

i would have taken the money

we have kodija, adomah, gestede, grealish, mcormack, kozak (coughs)

i think we will see plenty of sulks in the near future
Would have been madness to sell him. He doesn't have to smile, just play well. He has always worked hard and he could be vital for us this season.

play well like he did at bristol then sulked?

I hope we told Marseille not to spend that money and call again on 1 January
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: nigel on September 01, 2016, 05:44:17 PM: Quote from: Des Little on September 01, 2016, 05:07:53 PM

Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on September 01, 2016, 04:18:30 PM
Quote from: chrisw1 on September 01, 2016, 03:15:24 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on September 01, 2016, 01:48:23 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on September 01, 2016, 01:23:18 PM
just read that Marseille made and failed with a last gasp £11m bid for Ayew. Turned down by the good Doctor as no time to land a replacement.

i would have taken the money

we have kodija, adomah, gestede, grealish, mcormack, kozak (coughs)

i think we will see plenty of sulks in the near future
Would have been madness to sell him. He doesn't have to smile, just play well. He has always worked hard and he could be vital for us this season.

play well like he did at bristol then sulked?

I hope we told Marseille not to spend that money and call again on 1 January
[/quote]

If he keeps in form and scores some goals between now and January £11m wont be anywhere near enough.
I think he's a great player and a few goals, to go with a few wins, will put a smile on his face ;)
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: chrisw1 on September 01, 2016, 05:49:40 PM: Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on September 01, 2016, 04:18:30 PM
Quote from: chrisw1 on September 01, 2016, 03:15:24 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on September 01, 2016, 01:48:23 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on September 01, 2016, 01:23:18 PM
just read that Marseille made and failed with a last gasp £11m bid for Ayew. Turned down by the good Doctor as no time to land a replacement.

i would have taken the money

we have kodija, adomah, gestede, grealish, mcormack, kozak (coughs)

i think we will see plenty of sulks in the near future
Would have been madness to sell him. He doesn't have to smile, just play well. He has always worked hard and he could be vital for us this season.

play well like he did at bristol then sulked?
So one average game outweighs a season of being our best player by a country mile (yes, yes no competition last year but even so) and mostly decent games so far this season? OK, so his finishing has been off, but his general play is still very good. But fuck it, he doesn't smile so shoot him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tayls_7 on September 01, 2016, 05:56:11 PM: Quote from: chrisw1 on September 01, 2016, 05:49:40 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on September 01, 2016, 04:18:30 PM
Quote from: chrisw1 on September 01, 2016, 03:15:24 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on September 01, 2016, 01:48:23 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on September 01, 2016, 01:23:18 PM
just read that Marseille made and failed with a last gasp £11m bid for Ayew. Turned down by the good Doctor as no time to land a replacement.

i would have taken the money

we have kodija, adomah, gestede, grealish, mcormack, kozak (coughs)

i think we will see plenty of sulks in the near future
Would have been madness to sell him. He doesn't have to smile, just play well. He has always worked hard and he could be vital for us this season.

play well like he did at bristol then sulked?
So one average game outweighs a season of being our best player by a country mile (yes, yes no competition last year but even so) and mostly decent games so far this season? OK, so his finishing has been off, but his general play is still very good. But fuck it, he doesn't smile so shoot him.

Chris, you are fundamentally missing the salient points of most people's reservations regarding Ayew.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2016, 06:05:40 PM: I like Ayew , I think he is one of the best players in the league and really excited we have kept him with Kodjia, RM , Rudy , Jack and uncle Albert , we have some great attacking playes there probably the best forward line/players in the league .

Would have just liked another Ledley/Lansbury type in there for back up.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: themossman on September 01, 2016, 07:00:22 PM: So, are we saying he hasn't got an absurdly low release clause? WTF?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on September 01, 2016, 07:04:15 PM: Quote from: Tayls_7 on September 01, 2016, 05:56:11 PM
Quote from: chrisw1 on September 01, 2016, 05:49:40 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on September 01, 2016, 04:18:30 PM
Quote from: chrisw1 on September 01, 2016, 03:15:24 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on September 01, 2016, 01:48:23 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on September 01, 2016, 01:23:18 PM
just read that Marseille made and failed with a last gasp £11m bid for Ayew. Turned down by the good Doctor as no time to land a replacement.

i would have taken the money

we have kodija, adomah, gestede, grealish, mcormack, kozak (coughs)

i think we will see plenty of sulks in the near future
Would have been madness to sell him. He doesn't have to smile, just play well. He has always worked hard and he could be vital for us this season.

play well like he did at bristol then sulked?
So one average game outweighs a season of being our best player by a country mile (yes, yes no competition last year but even so) and mostly decent games so far this season? OK, so his finishing has been off, but his general play is still very good. But fuck it, he doesn't smile so shoot him.

Chris, you are fundamentally missing the salient points of most people's reservations regarding Ayew.

I am too. What are the reservations?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 01, 2016, 07:23:35 PM: Quote from: Des Little on September 01, 2016, 05:07:53 PM

Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on September 01, 2016, 04:18:30 PM
Quote from: chrisw1 on September 01, 2016, 03:15:24 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on September 01, 2016, 01:48:23 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on September 01, 2016, 01:23:18 PM
just read that Marseille made and failed with a last gasp £11m bid for Ayew. Turned down by the good Doctor as no time to land a replacement.

i would have taken the money

we have kodija, adomah, gestede, grealish, mcormack, kozak (coughs)

i think we will see plenty of sulks in the near future
Would have been madness to sell him. He doesn't have to smile, just play well. He has always worked hard and he could be vital for us this season.

play well like he did at bristol then sulked?

I hope we told Marseille not to spend that money and call again on 1 January
[/quote]

I think people are way way too quick to judge Ayew. He's shown his quality last year and a bad game at Bristol doesn't mean we should boot him out. He was one of the few players who appeared to care last year.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 01, 2016, 07:25:13 PM: Quote from: Dante Lavelli on September 01, 2016, 07:04:15 PM
Quote from: Tayls_7 on September 01, 2016, 05:56:11 PM
Quote from: chrisw1 on September 01, 2016, 05:49:40 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on September 01, 2016, 04:18:30 PM
Quote from: chrisw1 on September 01, 2016, 03:15:24 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on September 01, 2016, 01:48:23 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on September 01, 2016, 01:23:18 PM
just read that Marseille made and failed with a last gasp £11m bid for Ayew. Turned down by the good Doctor as no time to land a replacement.

i would have taken the money

we have kodija, adomah, gestede, grealish, mcormack, kozak (coughs)

i think we will see plenty of sulks in the near future
Would have been madness to sell him. He doesn't have to smile, just play well. He has always worked hard and he could be vital for us this season.

play well like he did at bristol then sulked?
So one average game outweighs a season of being our best player by a country mile (yes, yes no competition last year but even so) and mostly decent games so far this season? OK, so his finishing has been off, but his general play is still very good. But fuck it, he doesn't smile so shoot him.

Chris, you are fundamentally missing the salient points of most people's reservations regarding Ayew.

I am too. What are the reservations?

I agree I don't want him gone, especially when we couldn't replace him. I see Ayew is now the fashionable player to slag off.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on September 01, 2016, 07:27:15 PM: Quote from: Abbeyfealeavfc on September 01, 2016, 04:09:47 PM
I'm unconvinced by Ayew. Bought as a forward 12 months ago and Villa have never won when he has scored. I know we haven't won many when he hasn't scored, but we don't need forwards with that kind of record. He wouldn't make my starting 11 at the moment based on this alone never mind his temperament and sulks.

To be fair, I don't think he has played much in what I think is his best position. I think he is best on the left hand side, cutting in on his right foot. Him on the left, Adomah on the right and McCormack just in behind Kodjia. Looks strong for the second tier.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: andrew08 on September 01, 2016, 07:35:39 PM: Quote from: Chris Jameson on September 01, 2016, 05:02:22 PM
Quote from: villadelph on September 01, 2016, 04:01:33 PM
Any idea on the wage structure.. I haven't seen any of the personal terms on the new players.

It's always baffled me why people need to know such things. Those that do, can I ask why?

I know, who cares what they earn or how much they cost or how much we lost on a player for that matter. It's not my money. I don't recall being asked to chip in for the Balaban/Collymore loses for example . My investment is a Season Ticket and some souvenirs every season.... I consider it good value.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: old man villa fan on September 01, 2016, 07:36:15 PM: I have read quite a bit about Ayew not celebrating the goal at Bristol. He didn't run across to the other side if the are but from what I saw, he walked across and shook players' hands. He always looks as though he is carrying the world on his shoulders. That's the way he is.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on September 01, 2016, 07:40:10 PM: Quote from: old man villa fan on September 01, 2016, 07:36:15 PM
I have read quite a bit about Ayew not celebrating the goal at Bristol. He didn't run across to the other side if the are but from what I saw, he walked across and shook players' hands. He always looks as though he is carrying the world on his shoulders. That's the way he is.

Alternatively, play with a smile regardless and you're a gurning fuckwit who should be strung up by your bollocks until they fall off and make a new line in jewellery for the mob in B9.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 01, 2016, 07:44:06 PM: Quote from: Villa in Denmark on September 01, 2016, 07:40:10 PM
Quote from: old man villa fan on September 01, 2016, 07:36:15 PM
I have read quite a bit about Ayew not celebrating the goal at Bristol. He didn't run across to the other side if the are but from what I saw, he walked across and shook players' hands. He always looks as though he is carrying the world on his shoulders. That's the way he is.

Alternatively, play with a smile regardless and you're a gurning fuckwit who should be strung up by your bollocks until they fall off and make a new line in jewellery for the mob in B9.

Quite. Maybe Ayew realised that we would probably need more than one goal to win.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 01, 2016, 07:44:25 PM: It's the perfect example of why we football fans are hypocrites who want everything our own way.

Ayew doesn't smile? Burn him!
Bacuna smiles? Burn him!
Adama/Gana want to leave? Burn them the gutless wankers!
Gabby/Richards won't leave? Burn them the greedy lazy wankers!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ian. on September 01, 2016, 07:47:35 PM: I like Ayew, I can spell his name for a start which is something I'm going to struggle with this season. Also I actually think he does care, I hope RDM and co can bring the best out of him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tayls_7 on September 01, 2016, 07:49:27 PM: Quote from: Dante Lavelli on September 01, 2016, 07:04:15 PM
Quote from: Tayls_7 on September 01, 2016, 05:56:11 PM
Quote from: chrisw1 on September 01, 2016, 05:49:40 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on September 01, 2016, 04:18:30 PM
Quote from: chrisw1 on September 01, 2016, 03:15:24 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on September 01, 2016, 01:48:23 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on September 01, 2016, 01:23:18 PM
just read that Marseille made and failed with a last gasp £11m bid for Ayew. Turned down by the good Doctor as no time to land a replacement.

i would have taken the money

we have kodija, adomah, gestede, grealish, mcormack, kozak (coughs)

i think we will see plenty of sulks in the near future
Would have been madness to sell him. He doesn't have to smile, just play well. He has always worked hard and he could be vital for us this season.

play well like he did at bristol then sulked?
So one average game outweighs a season of being our best player by a country mile (yes, yes no competition last year but even so) and mostly decent games so far this season? OK, so his finishing has been off, but his general play is still very good. But fuck it, he doesn't smile so shoot him.

Chris, you are fundamentally missing the salient points of most people's reservations regarding Ayew.

I am too. What are the reservations?

This has been covered on previous threads. Everyone recognises Ayew's talent but I amongst others are concerned his mecurial, hard to quantify style isn't as productive as it should be. To suggest this is a knee jerk reaction to one poor performance is churlish. I will remain sceptical until Ayew proves me wrong. I think the tributes are extravagant. Let me know when his end product matches the eulogies.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on September 01, 2016, 07:50:46 PM: Quote from: PaulWinch again on September 01, 2016, 07:44:06 PM
Quote from: Villa in Denmark on September 01, 2016, 07:40:10 PM
Quote from: old man villa fan on September 01, 2016, 07:36:15 PM
I have read quite a bit about Ayew not celebrating the goal at Bristol. He didn't run across to the other side if the are but from what I saw, he walked across and shook players' hands. He always looks as though he is carrying the world on his shoulders. That's the way he is.

Alternatively, play with a smile regardless and you're a gurning fuckwit who should be strung up by your bollocks until they fall off and make a new line in jewellery for the mob in B9.

Quite. Maybe Ayew realised that we would probably need more than one goal to win.

We've never seen it, but maybe his line of thinking is, "celebrating is for when the final whistle goes and we're still winning."
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: chrisw1 on September 01, 2016, 07:53:39 PM: Quote from: Tayls_7 on September 01, 2016, 07:49:27 PM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on September 01, 2016, 07:04:15 PM
Quote from: Tayls_7 on September 01, 2016, 05:56:11 PM
Quote from: chrisw1 on September 01, 2016, 05:49:40 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on September 01, 2016, 04:18:30 PM
Quote from: chrisw1 on September 01, 2016, 03:15:24 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on September 01, 2016, 01:48:23 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on September 01, 2016, 01:23:18 PM
just read that Marseille made and failed with a last gasp £11m bid for Ayew. Turned down by the good Doctor as no time to land a replacement.

i would have taken the money

we have kodija, adomah, gestede, grealish, mcormack, kozak (coughs)

i think we will see plenty of sulks in the near future
Would have been madness to sell him. He doesn't have to smile, just play well. He has always worked hard and he could be vital for us this season.

play well like he did at bristol then sulked?
So one average game outweighs a season of being our best player by a country mile (yes, yes no competition last year but even so) and mostly decent games so far this season? OK, so his finishing has been off, but his general play is still very good. But fuck it, he doesn't smile so shoot him.

Chris, you are fundamentally missing the salient points of most people's reservations regarding Ayew.

I am too. What are the reservations?

This has been covered on previous threads. Everyone recognises Ayew's talent but I amongst others are concerned his mecurial, hard to quantify style isn't as productive as it should be. To suggest this is a knee jerk reaction to one poor performance is churlish. I will remain sceptical until Ayew proves me wrong. I think the tributes are extravagant. Let me know when his end product matches the eulogies.

Well, there's no need pleasing some people but I would have thought being by far our best, most consistent and hardworking player may have gone some way towards it.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: andyh on September 01, 2016, 08:06:14 PM: I agree that Ayew looks like a big,sulking baby.
But, there is no doubt that he is probably the most talented player at the club now.
Let's hope that he knuckles down and applies himself, and plays with some joy, now that he knows he is going nowhere....for 3 or 4 months at least.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on September 01, 2016, 08:41:57 PM: Quote from: andyh on September 01, 2016, 08:06:14 PM
I agree that Ayew looks like a big,sulking baby.
But, there is no doubt that he is probably the most talented player at the club now.
Let's hope that he knuckles down and applies himself, and plays with some joy, now that he knows he is going nowhere....for 3 or 4 months at least.

Looking like he's not happy is one thing.

How does that translate to him being a big sulking baby that needs to knuckle down?

From what I've seen, he was one of the few last season who consistently looked like he knew that what was going on wasn't good enough and put in something approaching the requisite effort last season to be to hold his head up come the end of last May.

He didn't run 30 yards to join in a goal celebration on Saturday and he constantly looks like he's chewing a box of wasps and suddenly he's problem no 3 after Agbonlahor and Richards, so in reality problem no 1?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 01, 2016, 08:43:20 PM: Agreed. He can become much more happy go lucky when we're promoted.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Holtemeister on September 01, 2016, 08:50:47 PM: The bloke might just be a winner ... pissed off that the pricks he was playing with last season were not at the same level as he was, the coaching if you can call it that was next to fkin useless and that despite relegation, which doesnt do much for any players morale, we havent really started this year with aplomb.

To be fair apart from trousering 30/40k a week the guy dont have that much to smile about.

Lets see how he reacts with a few wins under our belts and a few goals
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: andyh on September 01, 2016, 08:51:29 PM: Quote from: Villa in Denmark on September 01, 2016, 08:41:57 PM
Quote from: andyh on September 01, 2016, 08:06:14 PM
I agree that Ayew looks like a big,sulking baby.
But, there is no doubt that he is probably the most talented player at the club now.
Let's hope that he knuckles down and applies himself, and plays with some joy, now that he knows he is going nowhere....for 3 or 4 months at least.

Looking like he's not happy is one thing.

How does that translate to him being a big sulking baby that needs to knuckle down?

From what I've seen, he was one of the few last season who consistently looked like he knew that what was going on wasn't good enough and put in something approaching the requisite effort last season to be to hold his head up come the end of last May.

He didn't run 30 yards to join in a goal celebration on Saturday and he constantly looks like he's chewing a box of wasps and suddenly he's problem no 3 after Agbonlahor and Richards, so in reality problem no 1?

I didn't say he's IS a big sulking baby though, did I ?

I like him, he's full of talent, and I think he cares.
I would love to see him play with some joy and see just how good he can be.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on September 01, 2016, 09:06:52 PM: Quote from: chrisw1 on September 01, 2016, 05:49:40 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on September 01, 2016, 04:18:30 PM
Quote from: chrisw1 on September 01, 2016, 03:15:24 PM
Quote from: oswald funkletrumpet on September 01, 2016, 01:48:23 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on September 01, 2016, 01:23:18 PM
just read that Marseille made and failed with a last gasp £11m bid for Ayew. Turned down by the good Doctor as no time to land a replacement.

i would have taken the money

we have kodija, adomah, gestede, grealish, mcormack, kozak (coughs)

i think we will see plenty of sulks in the near future
Would have been madness to sell him. He doesn't have to smile, just play well. He has always worked hard and he could be vital for us this season.

play well like he did at bristol then sulked?
So one average game outweighs a season of being our best player by a country mile (yes, yes no competition last year but even so) and mostly decent games so far this season? OK, so his finishing has been off, but his general play is still very good. But fuck it, he doesn't smile so shoot him.

how many goals has he scored so far this season?

how many times is he too greedy and delivers nothing at the end of it?

how many games has he had a major influence on?

he does try but then his temper gets the better of him, remember wet pam away and his petulence?

ill praise him when he has a game changing impact, whenever that might be
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: avfcpg on September 01, 2016, 09:07:24 PM: Haven't a problem with Ayew..clearly talented and we are judging him purely on body language. Some players are like that, others aren't..it's really no big deal.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Ads on September 01, 2016, 10:15:13 PM: His decision making has let him down so far this season. He's tried to do too much at critical points.

He should have squared it to Bacuna at Wednesday for a tap in, likewise McCormack at Bristol. He should have scored against Huddersfield and his shooting generally has been wayward so far.

He's still working very hard and getting into these positions.

People love a scape goat. He's the Gareth Barry of 2005. The same eejits that were booing him when he scored at Bramell Lane in a 3-1 FA Cup defeat were the ones cheering him over the next four years.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 01, 2016, 11:47:04 PM: Maybe he "sulks" because he really, really, wants to win and we don't do it nearly enough?

I don't think any player has shown more commitment to the cause over the last twelve months. We should be building a team around him, not pushing him out of the door because he didn't start breakdancing when we scored.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tom_Mc9? on September 02, 2016, 12:13:57 AM: I think too often we see players as good or bad. No in-betweens. Of course Ayew has his faults (otherwise he'd be at a more successful club) but he's going to be more beneficial to us than harm.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on September 02, 2016, 12:34:29 AM: I saw that Rico Henry went from Walsall to Brentford in the window. Definitely one we should be keeping an eye on this season to see how he does.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on September 02, 2016, 12:40:47 AM: At an infinitely lower level I know but I barely ever used to celebrate and am certain I would be the same at higher levels. Even if I scored in the 85th to make it 2-1 I never celebrated and some used to think I was a bit of a c**t because of it which was fair enough, opinions and all that. I guarantee I was someone you wanted on your team though because I am one competitive mother f**cker. I would celebrate the final whistle if we won with a 'get the f**k in', if we drew/lost and I'd scored - not happy.

We're all different.

Won't stop me thinking Bacuna is a prick though :-D
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oldhill_avfc on September 02, 2016, 07:58:00 AM: The main problem with Ayew is quite simple.

He's not very good.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: brian green on September 02, 2016, 08:05:21 AM: Marseille were prepared to pay £11 million before the deadline for a not very good player. Wish we could get £11 million apiece for some of our other not-very-good players.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on September 02, 2016, 08:08:29 AM: Quote from: brian green on September 02, 2016, 08:05:21 AM
Marseille were prepared to pay £11 million before the deadline for a not very good player. Wish we could get £11 million apiece for some of our other not-very-good players.

We'd get £20 million for them if you happened to be the salesman!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on September 02, 2016, 08:10:16 AM: He's obviously a decent footballer but like i said a few days back, he can be so bloody frustrating to watch.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 02, 2016, 08:12:35 AM: Quote from: oldhill_avfc on September 02, 2016, 07:58:00 AM
The main problem with Ayew is quite simple.

He's not very good.

Sorry I think that's just not true. He's a good player and he has lots of talent.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on September 02, 2016, 08:14:17 AM: Good, bad, somewhere in between? Regardless there is one too many attacking midfielders in the squad this season so there will be no room for complacency.

It'll be interesting how the characters react to the competition and also how RDM chooses to rotate the them.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on September 02, 2016, 08:15:05 AM: I stand by my opinion that if he's on form and motivated, then there is no one I can think of in the division that I'd swap him for. He's a £20m player in today's market.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on September 02, 2016, 08:16:06 AM: Quote from: Clampy on September 02, 2016, 08:10:16 AM
He's obviously a decent footballer but like i said a few days back, he can be so bloody frustrating to watch.

Agree. When I've seen him, I've never really questioned his effort. I'm just not sure about the position he's playing in at the moment - perhaps another month playing together and we'll see more cohesion.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 02, 2016, 08:20:02 AM: Quote from: oldhill_avfc on September 02, 2016, 07:58:00 AM
The main problem with Ayew is quite simple.

He's not very good.

The main problem with your post is quite simple.

It's not very good.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on September 02, 2016, 08:25:15 AM: Quote from: Dante Lavelli on September 02, 2016, 08:14:17 AM

It'll be interesting how the characters react to the competition and also how RDM chooses to rotate the them.

I think most of the time he'll put Morrison on lead vocals, but occasionally alternate between him and Kenny McDowell. Everyone can have a go on the drums.

Morrison will probably react by going solo again.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Chris Jameson on September 02, 2016, 08:38:55 AM: Quote from: Percy McCarthy on September 02, 2016, 08:25:15 AM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on September 02, 2016, 08:14:17 AM

It'll be interesting how the characters react to the competition and also how RDM chooses to rotate the them.

I think most of the time he'll put Morrison on lead vocals, but occasionally alternate between him and Kenny McDowell. Everyone can have a go on the drums.

Morrison will probably react by going solo again.

Morrison will show pretenders (I appreciate this may send this thread off on to a list of Pretenders songs now) like Ayew how to sulk and look really look pissed off.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Clampy on September 02, 2016, 08:45:11 AM: Quote from: Chris Jameson on September 02, 2016, 08:38:55 AM
Quote from: Percy McCarthy on September 02, 2016, 08:25:15 AM
Quote from: Dante Lavelli on September 02, 2016, 08:14:17 AM

It'll be interesting how the characters react to the competition and also how RDM chooses to rotate the them.

I think most of the time he'll put Morrison on lead vocals, but occasionally alternate between him and Kenny McDowell. Everyone can have a go on the drums.

Morrison will probably react by going solo again.

Morrison will show pretenders (I appreciate this may send this thread off on to a list of Pretenders songs now) like Ayew how to sulk and look really look pissed off.

I'm not sure why he sulks with all the brass he has in his pocket.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on September 02, 2016, 08:53:53 AM: F**K you Percy!
I had to read that about ten times before I spotted the mistake and even then had to google Them to check they were a band.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on September 02, 2016, 09:09:16 AM: Quote from: Dante Lavelli on September 02, 2016, 08:53:53 AM
F**K you Percy!
I had to read that about ten times before I spotted the mistake and even then had to google Them to check they were a band.

Lol. Soz. Dante please don't go.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oldhill_avfc on September 02, 2016, 09:17:47 AM: Quote from: cdbullyweefan on September 02, 2016, 08:20:02 AM
Quote from: oldhill_avfc on September 02, 2016, 07:58:00 AM
The main problem with Ayew is quite simple.

He's not very good.

The main problem with your post is quite simple.

It's not very good.

Filed for future reference.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Des Little on September 02, 2016, 12:14:09 PM: Flamini is available on a free. It's a no brainer for me.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on September 02, 2016, 12:14:09 PM: Quote from: oldhill_avfc on September 02, 2016, 09:17:47 AM
Quote from: cdbullyweefan on September 02, 2016, 08:20:02 AM
Quote from: oldhill_avfc on September 02, 2016, 07:58:00 AM
The main problem with Ayew is quite simple.

He's not very good.

The main problem with your post is quite simple.

It's not very good.

Filed for future reference.

Oooooo! He's going to do a Roy Keane and go over the ball when they next meet.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Duncan Shaw on September 02, 2016, 12:36:51 PM: Quote from: Des Little on September 02, 2016, 12:14:09 PM
Flamini is available on a free. It's a no brainer for me.
Indeed, someone tell the Doc on Twitter!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Brend'Watkins on September 02, 2016, 12:40:20 PM: Quote from: oldhill_avfc on September 02, 2016, 09:17:47 AM
Quote from: cdbullyweefan on September 02, 2016, 08:20:02 AM
Quote from: oldhill_avfc on September 02, 2016, 07:58:00 AM
The main problem with Ayew is quite simple.

He's not very good.

The main problem with your post is quite simple.

It's not very good.

Filed for future reference.

Your next Opticians appointment?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on September 02, 2016, 12:41:21 PM: Quote from: Des Little on September 02, 2016, 12:14:09 PM
Flamini is available on a free. It's a no brainer for me.

Agree would be a good player.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on September 02, 2016, 12:48:19 PM: Apart from ol' Flammy are there any other freebies worth a shout?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SheffieldVillain on September 02, 2016, 12:59:10 PM: Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on September 02, 2016, 12:48:19 PM
Apart from ol' Flammy are there any other freebies worth a shout?

Distin as CB cover? Leon Osman?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mattjpa on September 02, 2016, 01:02:18 PM: Either the doc or big Keith said we were after a couple more that didnt come off makes you think if the right man came up we would move for him
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mattjpa on September 02, 2016, 01:04:17 PM: Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on September 02, 2016, 12:48:19 PM
Apart from ol' Flammy are there any other freebies worth a shout?
schwarzer, meireles, anichebe, hoillet

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/10561244/free-agents-xi-emmanuel-adebayor-nicklas-bendtner-mathieu-flamini
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KevinGage on September 02, 2016, 05:43:42 PM: Would feel far better with Flamini or Merieles coming on as first change instead of Westwood.

Westwood might be fine coming on for the last few minutes of a game we are bossing, just to play keep ball.

But injuries and suspensions will occur, and I reckon if he starts 15-20 games for us this season, we don't even make the play-offs. The same weaknesses he had in the top flight are evident in the Championship. The drop down doesn't make him look better.

Bendtner for all his faults would be a better back up option than Gestede an'all. But would that lot come on back-up wages? Doubtful.

If Schwarzer can still stand up, I'd have him over Gollini.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: curiousorange on September 02, 2016, 05:46:00 PM: I thought I saw a link to Meireles just after RDM came in. Can't see that happening anyway.

There was a time when Hoilett was very highly rated. But then the past is a foreign country, isn't it?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Tayls_7 on September 02, 2016, 05:47:01 PM: It's slightly perturbing that you make valid case for the inclusion in our squad for players nobody seems to want over players we currently employ.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 02, 2016, 06:03:35 PM: Quote from: Tayls_7 on September 02, 2016, 05:47:01 PM
It's slightly perturbing that you make valid case for the inclusion in our squad for players nobody seems to want over players we currently employ.

I think it's more a case of nobody seems to want pay over players we currently employ. We were in discussions with Meireles back in March but I imagine he wants one last big pay day.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Jarpie on September 02, 2016, 06:13:50 PM: I wouldn't mind Flamini, Hoilett or Meireles on short-term deal or given a looksie. I remember Hoilett being very highly rated and being courted by half of the PL clubs when he joined QPR, probably with ridiculously high salary as they were paying over-the-odds at the time.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on September 02, 2016, 08:04:09 PM: Quote from: KevinGage on September 02, 2016, 05:43:42 PM
Would feel far better with Flamini or Merieles coming on as first change instead of Westwood.

Westwood might be fine coming on for the last few minutes of a game we are bossing, just to play keep ball.

But injuries and suspensions will occur, and I reckon if he starts 15-20 games for us this season, we don't even make the play-offs. The same weaknesses he had in the top flight are evident in the Championship. The drop down doesn't make him look better.

Bendtner for all his faults would be a better back up option than Gestede an'all. But would that lot come on back-up wages? Doubtful.

If Schwarzer can still stand up, I'd have him over Gollini.

Bendtner has even less interest in furthering his career than Agbonlahor.

In his head he's still a highly sort after, CL level footballer. Apparently FCK enquired about a deal when he was released by Wolfsburg and the reply was along the lines of "it'll be a long time before I've sunk so low."
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on September 02, 2016, 11:10:37 PM: Flamini? I can't understand why no one has picked him up yet.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Gareth on September 02, 2016, 11:23:15 PM: Quote from: Newby on September 02, 2016, 11:10:37 PM
Flamini? I can't understand why no one has picked him up yet.

Sure he's had offers but the moment that window shut he became more valuable to teams who lack a central midfielder :-)

Sure Anichibe has earnt way more today signing for Sunderland than he would have a week ago when they had options.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt C on September 03, 2016, 02:35:55 AM: Surprised Leon Osman hasn't been signed by someone yet although he'll surely end up at Sunderland now.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 03, 2016, 09:29:43 AM: Mathieu Flamini interests Crystal Palace - but Roma, AC Milan and Olympiakos are also in the hunt

he has good teams to choose from
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Pete on September 03, 2016, 12:24:50 PM: Quote from: mattjpa on September 02, 2016, 01:04:17 PM
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on September 02, 2016, 12:48:19 PM
Apart from ol' Flammy are there any other freebies worth a shout?
schwarzer, meireles, anichebe, hoillethe

Schwarzer is in his mid forties, so I can only imagine him being picked up as emergency cover.

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/10561244/free-agents-xi-emmanuel-adebayor-nicklas-bendtner-mathieu-flamini
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Stinkin_Thinkin on September 03, 2016, 03:07:27 PM: Quote from: Newby on September 02, 2016, 11:10:37 PM
Flamini? I can't understand why no one has picked him up yet.

He's busy saving the planet. He has founded a chemical company making a replacement for oil.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: berneboy on September 03, 2016, 03:21:43 PM: Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on September 02, 2016, 12:48:19 PM
Apart from ol' Flammy are there any other freebies worth a shout?

I'm still available. I am currently unattached but thirty years ago used to play for The New Wheel in the third division of Wakefield and District Sunday League.
I'll just need some new boots.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on September 03, 2016, 03:49:12 PM: Quote from: curiousorange on September 02, 2016, 05:46:00 PM
I thought I saw a link to Meireles just after RDM came in. Can't see that happening anyway.

There was a time when Hoilett was very highly rated. But then the past is a foreign country, isn't it?

Holiet was great at Blackburn...looked in the Ashley Young mould but he took the money at QPR and has barely got into a jog since...
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KRS on September 03, 2016, 03:56:16 PM: An older experienced player like Flamini would be ideal for our current midfield both on and off the pitch. I'm not so sure about Meireles but Schwarzer could certainly help the development of Gollini.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Lyewho??? on September 07, 2016, 01:30:18 PM: Players still available on a free

http://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/13-big-players-who-are-still-available-free-transfers?page=0%2C1
&
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/13-free-agents-your-team-8770123

There's a few on there I would be interested in
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: olaftab on September 07, 2016, 11:35:40 PM: The summer transfer window has finally closed today.... for Sunderland.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: OCD on September 07, 2016, 11:35:52 PM: 2 to definitely avoid.

Jose Enrique would be an improvement on Cissoko.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 09, 2016, 08:05:58 AM: Quote from: Des Little on March 14, 2016, 12:58:16 PM
First two names on my shopping list would be Peter Crouch and Ross McCormack.

Bored on my way to work so was trawling through this to see who was the first to correctly name one of our incoming transfers.

Well done Des, page sixteen of the thread.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on September 09, 2016, 08:15:44 AM: Congratulations Des. There should be a spotters badge or something for this accolade.

Ironically I fear that McCormack will be the player that will be most redundant or under used in a few seasons once Grealish has taken his #10 position.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Des Little on September 09, 2016, 12:36:11 PM: Thanks folks. I really couldn't have done it without you guys. This award is for all of us.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on September 10, 2016, 07:16:54 AM: Quote from: ozzjim on March 02, 2016, 01:05:47 AM
Jedinak from Palace still worth a look

Page 1. Bugger.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 10, 2016, 09:03:15 AM: Doh! I really should have learned to read by now.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on September 10, 2016, 10:15:31 AM: Quote from: cdbullyweefan on September 10, 2016, 09:03:15 AM
Doh! I really should have learned to read by now.
Quote from: cdbullyweefan on September 10, 2016, 09:03:15 AM
Doh! I really should have learned to read by now.

Poor Des, always a bit embarrassing handing a trophy back.
Not even silver either, De laet was mentioned on page three.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Steve67 on September 10, 2016, 10:17:55 AM: Royston Drenthe. Wonderboy in an u-21 tourno many years ago. Utter gash since. Shame as he looked likely to be another Real Madrid cracker.

Can I just say, N'Zogbia- Karma. Tosser
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Des Little on September 10, 2016, 05:02:27 PM: Quote from: TheMalandro on September 10, 2016, 10:15:31 AM
Quote from: cdbullyweefan on September 10, 2016, 09:03:15 AM
Doh! I really should have learned to read by now.
Quote from: cdbullyweefan on September 10, 2016, 09:03:15 AM
Doh! I really should have learned to read by now.

Poor Des, always a bit embarrassing handing a trophy back.
Not even silver either, De laet was mentioned on page three.

You know how to ruin a weekend don't you? I'd had it engraved and everything. Bastards!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on September 10, 2016, 05:14:36 PM: Quote from: Des Little on September 10, 2016, 05:02:27 PM
Quote from: TheMalandro on September 10, 2016, 10:15:31 AM
Quote from: cdbullyweefan on September 10, 2016, 09:03:15 AM
Doh! I really should have learned to read by now.
Quote from: cdbullyweefan on September 10, 2016, 09:03:15 AM
Doh! I really should have learned to read by now.

Poor Des, always a bit embarrassing handing a trophy back.
Not even silver either, De laet was mentioned on page three.

You know how to ruin a weekend don't you? I'd had it engraved and everything. Bastards!

You are a winner in life Des, that's more important
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: eamonn on September 10, 2016, 05:14:48 PM: Quote from: Newby on September 10, 2016, 10:17:55 AM
Can I just say, N'Zogbia- Karma. Tosser

Why, what's he done?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: CJ on September 10, 2016, 08:32:40 PM: Quote from: eamonn on September 10, 2016, 05:14:48 PM
Quote from: Newby on September 10, 2016, 10:17:55 AM
Can I just say, N'Zogbia- Karma. Tosser

Why, what's he done?

Sunderland decided not to keep him on so he's now clubless
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on September 10, 2016, 08:34:45 PM: 4th post, although in fairness I must have said Jedinak about 50 times since last summer so I gave myself a fair chance. Almost as bad as that bloke was with Beckford or Altidore.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Chris Jameson on September 10, 2016, 08:35:53 PM: Quote from: TheMalandro on September 10, 2016, 07:16:54 AM
Quote from: ozzjim on March 02, 2016, 01:05:47 AM
Jedinak from Palace still worth a look

Page 1. Bugger.

Page 1. I suggested whatever the player is called that we got from Bristol City. Don't bother checking, it's there, I definitely said it.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Chris Jameson on September 10, 2016, 08:36:25 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on September 10, 2016, 08:34:45 PM
4th post, although in fairness I must have said Jedinak about 50 times since last summer so I gave myself a fair chance. Almost as bad as that bloke was with Beckford or Altidore.

And Jay Spearing, don't forget Jay!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on September 10, 2016, 09:13:40 PM: Quote from: Chris Jameson on September 10, 2016, 08:36:25 PM
Quote from: ozzjim on September 10, 2016, 08:34:45 PM
4th post, although in fairness I must have said Jedinak about 50 times since last summer so I gave myself a fair chance. Almost as bad as that bloke was with Beckford or Altidore.

And Jay Spearing, don't forget Jay!
Best ever suggestion was Jason Scotland. At this point it was years past his brief Premier League stint too and he must have been about 33 when the legend that is Villakicks suggested him with total sincerity.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: JJ-AV on September 10, 2016, 09:18:09 PM: Someone on here caught a bit of a Leicester game on TV and suggested Steve Howard (the old shite Derby striker) as a centre-half to replace the injured Laursen. Not realising he was a striker, just that he was heading it a lot.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: supertom on September 10, 2016, 09:40:40 PM: Quote from: JJ-AV on September 10, 2016, 09:18:09 PM
Someone on here caught a bit of a Leicester game on TV and suggested Steve Howard (the old shite Derby striker) as a centre-half to replace the injured Laursen. Not realising he was a striker, just that he was heading it a lot.
That's going to be hard to beat as far as godawful suggestions go.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: KevinGage on September 11, 2016, 08:02:03 AM: I was suggesting Lescott for years, so give my future recommendations the grace and goodwill they deserve.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Chris Jameson on September 11, 2016, 09:37:31 AM: Quote from: KevinGage on September 11, 2016, 08:02:03 AM
I was suggesting Lescott for years, so give my future recommendations the grace and goodwill they deserve.

He's a witch! Burn him.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 11, 2016, 10:43:17 AM: Quote from: KevinGage on September 11, 2016, 08:02:03 AM
I was suggesting Lescott for years, so give my future recommendations the grace and goodwill they deserve.

Depends how many years in advance you were suggesting it. He'd have been an excellent signing in about 2003.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: eamonn on September 11, 2016, 12:03:43 PM: Quote from: cdbullyweefan on September 11, 2016, 10:43:17 AM
Quote from: KevinGage on September 11, 2016, 08:02:03 AM
I was suggesting Lescott for years, so give my future recommendations the grace and goodwill they deserve.

Depends how many years in advance you were suggesting it. He'd have been an excellent signing in about 2003.

Dolly O'Dreary tried to buy him for us I think, a fee was agreed with Wolves but he turned us down.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: JJ-AV on September 11, 2016, 12:40:25 PM: I remember saying to mates when we signed Lescott: 'easily our best centre half'.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: LeeB on September 11, 2016, 02:34:58 PM: Quote from: JJ-AV on September 11, 2016, 12:40:25 PM
I remember saying to mates when we signed Lescott: 'easily our best centre half'.

He was, but fuck me that's damming with faint praise.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: chrisw1 on September 12, 2016, 03:11:39 PM: B'ham mail apparently saying we are one of a host of clubs looking at Reo-coker on a free. I thinks he's shit and we shouldn't bother personally.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on September 12, 2016, 03:22:18 PM: Quote from: LeeB on September 11, 2016, 02:34:58 PM
Quote from: JJ-AV on September 11, 2016, 12:40:25 PM
I remember saying to mates when we signed Lescott: 'easily our best centre half'.

He was, ~~but fuck me that's damming with faint praise.~~, which might explain why we were fucked from the start last season.

Fixed :)
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dr Butler on September 12, 2016, 03:25:32 PM: I know it's the Mail, but tell me it ain't so....

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/transfer-rumour-aston-villa-running-11875501

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Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on September 12, 2016, 03:28:07 PM: We are short of bodies in midfield and the two defensive players have already lost games so I can see why we might have an interest.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on September 12, 2016, 03:33:07 PM: Quote from: Dr Butler on September 12, 2016, 03:25:32 PM
I know it's the Mail, but tell me it ain't so....

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/transfer-rumour-aston-villa-running-11875501

UTV
The Doc

Unfortunately there will be one or two champions league clubs in for him too.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on September 12, 2016, 03:34:23 PM: Quote from: TheMalandro on September 12, 2016, 03:33:07 PM
Quote from: Dr Butler on September 12, 2016, 03:25:32 PM
I know it's the Mail, but tell me it ain't so....

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/transfer-rumour-aston-villa-running-11875501

UTV
The Doc

Unfortunately there will be one or two champions league clubs in for him too.
Damn. Our bad luck I guess. How can we compete with the likes of Leicester City and FC København?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 12, 2016, 03:34:47 PM: We are lacking numbers in midfield. If his wages were okay it would be fine by me, if he was as good as when he left. I'm concerned that he doesn't seem to have set the World alight over in MLS but maybe some of our North American posters could confirm how well he has played?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on September 12, 2016, 03:37:58 PM: 32, hasn't played football in nearly a year, what could go wrong? Move on, he's past it.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Monty on September 12, 2016, 03:42:56 PM: No. No. By His mother and the donkey she rode on, no.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PeterWithe on September 12, 2016, 03:47:36 PM: There was interest from Juventus you know.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: aj2k77 on September 12, 2016, 03:49:00 PM: Quote from: PeterWithe on September 12, 2016, 03:47:36 PM
There was interest from Juventus you know.

Stewarding position open?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dr Butler on September 12, 2016, 04:03:34 PM: Quote from: cdbullyweefan on September 12, 2016, 03:34:47 PM
We are lacking numbers in midfield. If his wages were okay it would be fine by me, if he was as good as when he left. I'm concerned that he doesn't seem to have set the World alight over in MLS but maybe some of our North American posters could confirm how well he has played?

just spoke to my uncle Bob in Canada as he watched the MLS quite abit and he said "I have watched him play over here ,master of the five yard pass backwards ,
No chance !"

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Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: eamonn on September 12, 2016, 04:19:36 PM: TV to the thread please, that's TV to the thread.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Villa in Denmark on September 12, 2016, 04:23:02 PM: Quote from: Dr Butler on September 12, 2016, 04:03:34 PM
Quote from: cdbullyweefan on September 12, 2016, 03:34:47 PM
We are lacking numbers in midfield. If his wages were okay it would be fine by me, if he was as good as when he left. I'm concerned that he doesn't seem to have set the World alight over in MLS but maybe some of our North American posters could confirm how well he has played?

just spoke to my uncle Bob in Canada as he watched the MLS quite abit and he said "I have watched him play over here ,master of the five yard pass backwards ,
No chance !"

UTV
The Doc

So, same as he always was.

Still, it'd take people's minds of Westwoods sideways passing.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: john e on September 12, 2016, 04:38:26 PM: can you imagine if we ever fielded a midfield of Westwood, Gardner, Bacuna and NRC
fuck me you'd have to watch the match with a cushion covering your face
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Des Little on September 12, 2016, 04:39:43 PM: Quote from: john e on September 12, 2016, 04:38:26 PM
can you imagine if we ever fielded a midfield of Westwood, Gardner, Bacuna and NRC
fuck me you'd have to watch the match with a cushion covering your face

I'd ask someone to hold it down. Hard.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: oswald funkletrumpet on September 12, 2016, 08:20:04 PM: Quote from: john e on September 12, 2016, 04:38:26 PM
can you imagine if we ever fielded a midfield of Westwood, Gardner, Bacuna and NRC
fuck me you'd have to watch the match with a cushion covering your face

whist your head was in the oven
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on September 12, 2016, 08:27:04 PM: I never realised he was only 32. So he was only 29 when he went to the MLS? Clearly an aspirational fellow.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: loughborough villain on September 12, 2016, 11:05:59 PM: Might be a coincidence but he is at The Belfry tonight
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Des Little on September 12, 2016, 11:12:01 PM: Quote from: loughborough villain on September 12, 2016, 11:05:59 PM
Might be a coincidence but he is at The Belfry tonight

Is he the cabaret?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on September 13, 2016, 12:12:01 AM: May I offer that NRC would have done more to take out that run on Sat than we attempted too? Hes very, very limited, but we are light there and a 6 month deal to Jan might help if Tshibola is so injury prone.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: sickbeggar on September 13, 2016, 04:53:16 AM: Could only imagine he'd be brought in as cover and to add a bit of experience to the dressing room. I mean at 32, not played for 8 months and erm..., temperamental to say the least (look how many clubs he's walked out on since us), on paper it seems a very odd one
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Matt C on September 13, 2016, 05:52:50 AM: If we're looking at out of contract midfielders surely Osman is the one
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: villabear on September 13, 2016, 06:37:46 AM: Quote from: Matt C on September 13, 2016, 05:52:50 AM
If we're looking at out of contract midfielders surely Osman is the one

Got to agree. He is 35 but a one year deal to add a bit of experience, especially in situations like being 2-1 up and needing to see the game out.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on September 13, 2016, 12:22:40 PM: Quote from: Matt C on September 13, 2016, 05:52:50 AM
If we're looking at out of contract midfielders surely Osman is the one

My preference would be Flamini. Has he gone anywhere?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Walmley_Villa on September 13, 2016, 12:27:11 PM: Quote from: Dante Lavelli on September 13, 2016, 12:22:40 PM
Quote from: Matt C on September 13, 2016, 05:52:50 AM
If we're looking at out of contract midfielders surely Osman is the one

My preference would be Flamini. Has he gone anywhere?

Palace
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Axl Rose on September 13, 2016, 12:32:51 PM: Quote from: ozzjim on September 13, 2016, 12:12:01 AM
May I offer that NRC would have done more to take out that run on Sat than we attempted too? Hes very, very limited, but we are light there and a 6 month deal to Jan might help if Tshibola is so injury prone.

I always liked Reo Coker!
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: john e on September 13, 2016, 12:38:45 PM: NRC could have a pointathon with Westwood
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Percy McCarthy on September 13, 2016, 01:05:50 PM: Quote from: villabear on September 13, 2016, 06:37:46 AM
Quote from: Matt C on September 13, 2016, 05:52:50 AM
If we're looking at out of contract midfielders surely Osman is the one

Got to agree. He is 35 but a one year deal to add a bit of experience, especially in situations like being 2-1 up and needing to see the game out.

I agree too. I wouldn't mind NRC for a few months as well, as long as he's fit and no shitter than he was when he left. We're well short in midfield after our first-choice two. And we're not really sure about Tshibola either yet.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Bottom Right 89 on September 13, 2016, 01:14:52 PM: Our best season under O'Neill when we won 10 or 11 away games, NRC was a key player stopping the opposition and laying it off to Youngy and co to spring an attack - if he's fit I would have no objection in bringing him in to plug that massive leak in the middle of the Villa Park. Yes he is not the most creative player but we've got plenty of them all he needs to do is destroy the likes of Huddersfield and Sheff Wednesday when they come over the halfway line but I guess that's why we've signed Jedinak.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: john e on September 13, 2016, 01:23:58 PM: I have very different memories of NRC, I held a party when he left last time don't know what i'l do if he comes back
he wasn't good enough before he won't be good enough now imo
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: mr underhill on September 13, 2016, 03:07:38 PM: he was never good enough, for us, or anyone else; just a bullshit sandwich.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on September 13, 2016, 04:00:36 PM: Quote from: mr underhill on September 13, 2016, 03:07:38 PM
he was never good enough, for us, or anyone else; just a bullshit sandwich.

Agree, I rember being down there and shouting good tackle followed by oh..as he gave it away, it's a no from me bob
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Monty on September 13, 2016, 04:10:07 PM: He bafflingly seemed to see himself as a kind of Megazord-mashup of Gerrard and Makelele. My favourite memories of him are the times when he'd pick the ball up in midfield and barge his way tank-like all the way to the cornerflag, where he'd shank it into the crowd.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: LukeJames on September 13, 2016, 04:13:08 PM: 0-0 at home to Chelsea, 92nd minute and we break one on one with Cech infront of the Holte...

"Go on Ash, go on, fucking hit it son........... Oh for fuck sake its Nige"
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: eamonn on September 13, 2016, 05:13:36 PM: "Youngy''...has to be the crappest nickname ever.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Diablo on September 13, 2016, 06:00:08 PM: Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on September 13, 2016, 04:00:36 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on September 13, 2016, 03:07:38 PM
he was never good enough, for us, or anyone else; just a bullshit sandwich.

Agree, I rember being down there and shouting good tackle followed by oh..as he gave it away, it's a no from me bob

I know his shooting was woeful but for the sake of some balance, I remember him having a blinder at Anfield when we beat them in a midweek game. I thought he was great that night.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 13, 2016, 06:30:56 PM: Quote from: eamonn on September 13, 2016, 05:13:36 PM
"Youngy''...has to be the crappest nickname ever.

Correct. I always called him "Ashleyey".
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: PaulTheVillan on September 13, 2016, 06:50:02 PM: NRC is ridiculously overrated. I could run around fouling if I was fit enough. We should avoid. Chris Herd was better.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: john e on September 13, 2016, 07:08:51 PM: Quote from: Diablo on September 13, 2016, 06:00:08 PM
Quote from: Phil from the upper holte on September 13, 2016, 04:00:36 PM
Quote from: mr underhill on September 13, 2016, 03:07:38 PM
he was never good enough, for us, or anyone else; just a bullshit sandwich.

Agree, I rember being down there and shouting good tackle followed by oh..as he gave it away, it's a no from me bob

I know his shooting was woeful but for the sake of some balance, I remember him having a blinder at Anfield when we beat them in a midweek game. I thought he was great that night.

I remember him 'tricking' the keeper to win a penalty due to his appalling ball control
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: SoccerHQ on September 13, 2016, 07:51:21 PM: NRC is no different to Gana imo....

That said I'm going the version that played for us which was over 6 years ago now.

Since then he went to Bolton, got relegated, went to Ipswich where he made little impact and then has gone to MLS where he hasn't done much so I'd say he's well past his best now imo.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: kipeye on September 13, 2016, 08:10:38 PM: Quote from: SoccerHQ on September 13, 2016, 07:51:21 PM
NRC is no different to Gana imo....

That said I'm going the version that played for us which was over 6 years ago now.

Since then he went to Bolton, got relegated, went to Ipswich where he made little impact and then has gone to MLS where he hasn't done much so I'd say he's well past his best now imo.
Gana is a much better player.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: john e on September 13, 2016, 08:40:30 PM: Quote from: kipeye on September 13, 2016, 08:10:38 PM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on September 13, 2016, 07:51:21 PM
NRC is no different to Gana imo....

That said I'm going the version that played for us which was over 6 years ago now.

Since then he went to Bolton, got relegated, went to Ipswich where he made little impact and then has gone to MLS where he hasn't done much so I'd say he's well past his best now imo.
Gana is a much better player.

Like comparing Camembert to mouse trap
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: LeeB on September 13, 2016, 08:46:57 PM: Quote from: john e on September 13, 2016, 08:40:30 PM
Quote from: kipeye on September 13, 2016, 08:10:38 PM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on September 13, 2016, 07:51:21 PM
NRC is no different to Gana imo....

That said I'm going the version that played for us which was over 6 years ago now.

Since then he went to Bolton, got relegated, went to Ipswich where he made little impact and then has gone to MLS where he hasn't done much so I'd say he's well past his best now imo.
Gana is a much better player.

Like comparing Camembert to mouse trap

Finally we're more of less rid of Gabby out the team and now Reo Coker's coming back.

I feel for you mate.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: john e on September 13, 2016, 09:08:23 PM: Quote from: LeeB on September 13, 2016, 08:46:57 PM
Quote from: john e on September 13, 2016, 08:40:30 PM
Quote from: kipeye on September 13, 2016, 08:10:38 PM
Quote from: SoccerHQ on September 13, 2016, 07:51:21 PM
NRC is no different to Gana imo....

That said I'm going the version that played for us which was over 6 years ago now.

Since then he went to Bolton, got relegated, went to Ipswich where he made little impact and then has gone to MLS where he hasn't done much so I'd say he's well past his best now imo.
Gana is a much better player.

Like comparing Camembert to mouse trap

Finally we're more of less rid of Gabby out the team and now Reo Coker's coming back.

I feel for you mate.

Ha ha, we just need Karim el Ahmadi to return so you can feel part of the 'oh ffs no' club
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Lobsterboy on September 14, 2016, 01:07:03 PM: Quote from: TheMalandro on September 12, 2016, 03:33:07 PM
Quote from: Dr Butler on September 12, 2016, 03:25:32 PM
I know it's the Mail, but tell me it ain't so....

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/transfer-rumour-aston-villa-running-11875501

UTV
The Doc

Unfortunately there will be one or two champions league clubs in for him too.

Celtic and FC Rostov?
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Chris Jameson on September 14, 2016, 01:10:24 PM: I'm amazed Reo Coker is still in his thirties. He's been around forever, or it certainly feels like it.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: eamonn on September 14, 2016, 02:19:34 PM: He was young when we bought him, like ''Youngy''.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 14, 2016, 02:20:26 PM: Ashleyey! 😠
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: TheMalandro on September 14, 2016, 03:19:04 PM: Quote from: eamonn on September 14, 2016, 02:19:34 PM
He was young when we bought him, like ''Youngy''.

Divey
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dr Butler on September 14, 2016, 03:34:43 PM: NRC this is how I remember him...2.14 in to the video....well you probably might want to watch from the start ;)

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Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: VILLA MOLE on September 14, 2016, 03:41:42 PM: Quote from: Dr Butler on September 14, 2016, 03:34:43 PM
NRC this is how I remember him...2.14 in to the video....well you probably might want to watch from the start ;)

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The Doc

that had made me all emotional
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Keeno on September 14, 2016, 03:59:53 PM: Agent Ridgewell was on top form that day. Emosh :(
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: tomd2103 on September 14, 2016, 06:33:37 PM: Still think midfield is a problem. I would be looking to test Derby's resolve in January and bid for Will Hughes.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: Dante Lavelli on September 14, 2016, 08:16:33 PM: Quote from: tomd2103 on September 14, 2016, 06:33:37 PM
Still think midfield is a problem. I would be looking to test Derby's resolve in January and bid for Will Hughes.

I know Hughes more by reputation than what I've actually seen but agree that he's the type/age/potential that we need. Offer gardner in px.
Title: Re: Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions
Post by: ozzjim on September 14, 2016, 10:47:44 PM: Midfield is a huge issue. Jedinak might as well have been alone tonight.