Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa

[Louzie0]

He's not gone yet, then.
Good for Garde.

[Steve67]

The poll is getting closer in terms of the result. I wonder where it would be if those voting for 'not sure' went for yay or nay.

[Villa in Denmark]

Reluctantly voted no, based mainly on the recent team selections starting to look like Sherwood and McBingo himself.

Nothing to do with not playing the youngsters, I actually think on balance that's probably the right decision.

It's the not backing his own judgment over a sort of settled best 11 and flailing around like a beached fish on team selections that's convinced me to say goodbye.

He might well do very well in another setting, but as much as we might wish to see 20 odd of the current squad shown the door, somewhere between 15 and 20 of them will still be here come the start of August. That will be around 60-80% of next season's squad who he'll potentially have some credibility issues with and it's a big ask to turn that around quickly enough for what we're looking to achieve.

[SamTheMouse]

He might well do very well in another setting, but as much as we might wish to see 20 odd of the current squad shown the door, somewhere between 15 and 20 of them will still be here come the start of August. That will be around 60-80% of next season's squad who he'll potentially have some credibility issues with and it's a big ask to turn that around quickly enough for what we're looking to achieve.

You're probably right about that, but it would still be hugely depressing. Relegation should be the perfect opportunity for an extensive clear-out. If you're sitting about 15th in the Premier League and your shit, unwanted players are on nice fat contracts, they're not going to be motivated to leave. That's the main problem - they won't accept the lower wages offered by potential suitor clubs.

I don't know which of our players have relegation clauses, but the prospect of playing in an unfashionable division for significantly reduced wages should hopefully inspire more than a few of them to seek pastures new.

[Villa in Denmark]

The other aspect of a huge clear out is how many new players can you realistically expect to integrate to form an essentially new team from scratch?

The most pertinent argument for not having spent more last summer was that we'd already turned over was it 11 out and 10 in? I think in hindsight that's also contributed to our problems. A manager that really didn't know what he was doing trying to integrate so many new players at once was always going to be slim odds. (Lack of football experience on the board allowing that situation to happen?)

[PaulWinch again]

Whichever way it goes the decision needs to be made asap.

[Boz]

He might well do very well in another setting, but as much as we might wish to see 20 odd of the current squad shown the door, somewhere between 15 and 20 of them will still be here come the start of August. That will be around 60-80% of next season's squad who he'll potentially have some credibility issues with and it's a big ask to turn that around quickly enough for what we're looking to achieve.

You're probably right about that, but it would still be hugely depressing. Relegation should be the perfect opportunity for an extensive clear-out. If you're sitting about 15th in the Premier League and your shit, unwanted players are on nice fat contracts, they're not going to be motivated to leave. That's the main problem - they won't accept the lower wages offered by potential suitor clubs.

I don't know which of our players have relegation clauses, but the prospect of playing in an unfashionable division for significantly reduced wages should hopefully inspire more than a few of them to seek pastures new.

But who would want them based on the form they've shown for Villa, and pay them anything like their current wages?

This is the biggest problem for whoever the manager is next season, having these dead legs still poisoning the dressing room.

[old man villa fan]

Until it's established which of the overpaid senior players we can get rid of, there's no point in discussing who will be the best manager.

We have some of the worst tactical unaware players and players lacking in ethusiasm that I have seen as a group in all my time watching Villa. Too many players living off their reputations of years gone by.

If we can get rid of the core of these players and bring in Garde's replacements mixed with promoted U21 players, I believe Garde can bring this club back with the right style and with a tactically astute set of players.

[ChicagoLion]

Just get rid of Guzan Bacuna Richards Lescott Agbonlahor and the dressing room will be very different

[clash city rocker]

Surely we could used the trades description act to get rid of guzan.

[gpbarr]

if we hire a manager to fit the type of players we have, we are in very real trouble indeed.

7-8 of our so called "senior" players need to be read the riot act, and then they either a) start putting in the effort and attitude required, b) fail that, sold, or c) fail that, paid off and told to never show their face ever again near VP/BH.

And then, please, stop singing players at or near the end of their lives to multi year contracts. 

[Chico Hamilton III]

if we hire a manager to fit the type of players we have, we are in very real trouble indeed.

7-8 of our so called "senior" players need to be read the riot act, and then they either a) start putting in the effort and attitude required, b) fail that, sold, or c) fail that, paid off and told to never show their face ever again near VP/BH.

And then, please, stop singing players at or near the end of their lives to multi year contracts. 

Isn't it the manager's job to read the riot act and to drop players who don't put the effort in?  Garde can't do anything about the off field shambles he walked into, but I'd expect any manager to play the alpha male and start banging heads together. I can't see any evidence that he's done that which is why I want him to go. Seems to me that he's lost the dressing room, assuming he ever found it.

[MarkM]

if we hire a manager to fit the type of players we have, we are in very real trouble indeed.

7-8 of our so called "senior" players need to be read the riot act, and then they either a) start putting in the effort and attitude required, b) fail that, sold, or c) fail that, paid off and told to never show their face ever again near VP/BH.

And then, please, stop singing players at or near the end of their lives to multi year contracts. 

Isn't it the manager's job to read the riot act and to drop players who don't put the effort in?  Garde can't do anything about the off field shambles he walked into, but I'd expect any manager to play the alpha male and start banging heads together. I can't see any evidence that he's done that which is why I want him to go. Seems to me that he's lost the dressing room, assuming he ever found it.

Agree with this

[malckennedy]

if we hire a manager to fit the type of players we have, we are in very real trouble indeed.

7-8 of our so called "senior" players need to be read the riot act, and then they either a) start putting in the effort and attitude required, b) fail that, sold, or c) fail that, paid off and told to never show their face ever again near VP/BH.

And then, please, stop singing players at or near the end of their lives to multi year contracts. 

Isn't it the manager's job to read the riot act and to drop players who don't put the effort in?  Garde can't do anything about the off field shambles he walked into, but I'd expect any manager to play the alpha male and start banging heads together. I can't see any evidence that he's done that which is why I want him to go. Seems to me that he's lost the dressing room, assuming he ever found it.

Yet the 5 players mentioned just above (Guzan, Bacuna, Richards, Lescott and Agbonlahor) have all been dropped and/or "read the Riot Act" to at some stage by Garde. Unfortunately he doesn't have any alternative players to pick instead, which is why it would have been nice if the promises re player investment in January had been kept.

[Chico Hamilton III]

if we hire a manager to fit the type of players we have, we are in very real trouble indeed.

7-8 of our so called "senior" players need to be read the riot act, and then they either a) start putting in the effort and attitude required, b) fail that, sold, or c) fail that, paid off and told to never show their face ever again near VP/BH.

And then, please, stop singing players at or near the end of their lives to multi year contracts. 

Isn't it the manager's job to read the riot act and to drop players who don't put the effort in?  Garde can't do anything about the off field shambles he walked into, but I'd expect any manager to play the alpha male and start banging heads together. I can't see any evidence that he's done that which is why I want him to go. Seems to me that he's lost the dressing room, assuming he ever found it.

Yet the 5 players mentioned just above (Guzan, Bacuna, Richards, Lescott and Agbonlahor) have all been dropped and/or "read the Riot Act" to at some stage by Garde. Unfortunately he doesn't have any alternative players to pick instead, which is why it would have been nice if the promises re player investment in January had been kept.

They've been dropped, not sure anybody knows whether they were read the riot act or not though. Clearly hasn't worked though. Who is responsible when senior players can't be motivated, cajoled, humiliated into playing to their potential?  And who knows whether his failings with the current squad wouldn't extend to any players he might sign for Villa?