Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa

[paul_e]

I haven't dissected any posts, I've picked 2 quotes from the last day or 2.

What I'm trying to say is that if you were honestly never impressed then you never gave him a chance.

[saunders_heroes]

I haven't dissected any posts, I've picked 2 quotes from the last day or 2.

What I'm trying to say is that if you were honestly never impressed then you never gave him a chance.

What did I miss from Garde's Aston Villa team then?

[villa for life]

Yes, the argument about him having nobody to play is a cop out. Certain players can really respond to certain managers. Look at Benteke. Before Sherwood arrived, he was having an awful season, and his value was probably back down to what we paid for him. All of a sudden, Sherwood gets him playing again, we don't get relegated, and we get 32.5 mill in the bank.  He's back to being awful again under Klopp. Who knows, but another manager might have got Ayew or Grealish smashing them in. Neither are bad players. Managers are much more important than players for the success of a club.

[paul_e]

I haven't dissected any posts, I've picked 2 quotes from the last day or 2.

What I'm trying to say is that if you were honestly never impressed then you never gave him a chance.

What did I miss from Garde's Aston Villa team then?

I don't know what you missed from his team but you've just completely missed the point so that's something.

If you were unimpressed from the start then nothing that has happened since (i.e his entire time in charge of the club) has changed your opinion of him (it's simply reinforced it) and therefore you can never have given him the chance that you say you did, or you did and have now decided that you were wrong.  "I think you're going to be shit but I'll give you the opportunity to prove me wrong" isn't giving someone a chance it's accepting that your opinion isn't going to make a bit of difference and getting on with it.  Which is what I think you actually did so just admit, no one will think less of you for it.

[glasses]

But you're not dissecting his posts, paul_e?

Jesus

[django]

I haven't dissected any posts, I've picked 2 quotes from the last day or 2.

What I'm trying to say is that if you were honestly never impressed then you never gave him a chance.

I don't know if that necessarily follows. I imagine if we appointed Allardyce or Pearson to replace Garde a lot of his fans would express reservations but then get behind the manager even if they didn't agree with the appointment, but they'd expect the manager to impress them by earning it.

[saunders_heroes]

I haven't dissected any posts, I've picked 2 quotes from the last day or 2.

What I'm trying to say is that if you were honestly never impressed then you never gave him a chance.

I don't know if that necessarily follows. I imagine if we appointed Allardyce or Pearson to replace Garde a lot of his fans would express reservations but then get behind the manager even if they didn't agree with the appointment, but they'd expect the manager to impress them by earning it.

Precisely. I didn't want him but when we appoint a new manager you didn't want you at least give him a chance and get behind him. Sadly Garde never delivered a thing, not even a short lived 'new manager boost'.

[paul_e]

But you're not dissecting his posts, paul_e?

Jesus

No I'm not, Dissecting them would suggest searching back through posts looking for things, I'm commenting on current posts that I consider to be contradictions.

I haven't dissected any posts, I've picked 2 quotes from the last day or 2.

What I'm trying to say is that if you were honestly never impressed then you never gave him a chance.

I don't know if that necessarily follows. I imagine if we appointed Allardyce or Pearson to replace Garde a lot of his fans would express reservations but then get behind the manager even if they didn't agree with the appointment, but they'd expect the manager to impress them by earning it.

I followed this up, expecting someone to be shit and being surprised if they're not isn't the same as giving them a chance.  In that regard I'll freely admit to never giving McLeish a chance because he turned us into exactly what I expected.  That's my point it's being dishonest to say you were never impressed by someone and saying you gave them a chance, just say you never saw anything to make you change your mind.

[saunders_heroes]

Good god talk about splitting hairs.

[paul_e]

Be that as it may, you were trying to take the moral high ground after TV and Clampy called you out and I find that an odd thing to do when you're being, at best, misleading in your comments.  I'm not however supporting dredging up old posts because I agree that opinions change and people shouldn't be called out if that's the case, they should just be honest.

[gpbarr]

Yes, the argument about him having nobody to play is a cop out. Certain players can really respond to certain managers. Look at Benteke. Before Sherwood arrived, he was having an awful season, and his value was probably back down to what we paid for him. All of a sudden, Sherwood gets him playing again, we don't get relegated, and we get 32.5 mill in the bank.  He's back to being awful again under Klopp. Who knows, but another manager might have got Ayew or Grealish smashing them in. Neither are bad players. Managers are much more important than players for the success of a club.

But you yourself admit .."who knows". So it follows we keep churning through managers until one of them turns an inherently weak, poor, and priviledged squad into something else? Buy you'll never know until you know. Perfect logic.

[cheltenhamlion]

There was a time I liked David O' Leary for example.

[paul_e]

Yes, the argument about him having nobody to play is a cop out. Certain players can really respond to certain managers. Look at Benteke. Before Sherwood arrived, he was having an awful season, and his value was probably back down to what we paid for him. All of a sudden, Sherwood gets him playing again, we don't get relegated, and we get 32.5 mill in the bank.  He's back to being awful again under Klopp. Who knows, but another manager might have got Ayew or Grealish smashing them in. Neither are bad players. Managers are much more important than players for the success of a club.

But you yourself admit .."who knows". So it follows we keep churning through managers until one of them turns an inherently weak, poor, and priviledged squad into something else? Buy you'll never know until you know. Perfect logic.

The alternative is to find a manager who fits your plan and give them a decent amount of time and support to build the core of the squad as they want and then see where you are.  If they're not up to scratch then you stick with the same plan but find a new manager and see if he can get a little more from the players and add a few of his own to fill gaps and you repeat.  If you haven't got the plan in place then you bounce around between style and expectations and become the clusterfuck we've all witnessed over the last few years.  If fixing it means 2-3 seasons of more churn to reform the squad then so be it but I want it all to be done with a considered end goal not just 'who could be good to get a few more goals out of the current players'.  That short term approach needs to be one of the things that the review by Hollis picks up and resolves to change.

[Steve R]

So what happens when we get rid of Garde and the next hapless soul fails to flog a few results out of the dead horse that is our first team squad? Lets face it, it's the squad that is the real problem, such a scenario would be the way to bet.

Getting rid of Garde is surely a case  of getting rid of the baby and keeping the bathwater. 

[mr underhill]

I'm now convinced  he's staying