Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa

[claret and blue blood]

Keep Remi , ditch the rotten egg players.

[malckennedy]

This is a results based business and his win rate is 13%. Not sure what more evidence anyone needs.

All businesses are results based. Before pointing the finger of blame at any manager of any (results based) business' continued failure it really is worth considering the complete picture. This has been done on this site many times and very clearly over the recent past by various posters. Unfortunately this has no impact on the thinking of those who seek the simple option. There is no quick fix to our situation and simply quoting win ratios for someone who has managed a group of other people's incompetents for 5 months is very simple indeed.

You're comparing football to other business? We're not Sainsbury's or Barclays ( if we were, I'd happily take my support/custom elsewhere). And I haven't seen any posts on here blaming Garde for the situation we're in, only posts from Villa fans who think that Garde isn't the person to help us get out of the situation we're in. 

With apologies for my grammar

No I'm not comparing football to Sainsburys or Barclays specifically, merely pointing out that football is not unique in being results based.

The post I was replying to was clearly blaming Garde for the position we are in, using the simplest of measures as evidence to support the argument. That is, using win ratios over a 5 month period during which the environment in which he was working became gradually more difficult, without taking account of this context.

Your grammar is fine.

[godzvilla]

Keep Remi , ditch the rotten egg players.

Agreed, arręter la pourriture ............Godzvilla!

[Chico Hamilton III]

This is a results based business and his win rate is 13%. Not sure what more evidence anyone needs.

All businesses are results based. Before pointing the finger of blame at any manager of any (results based) business' continued failure it really is worth considering the complete picture. This has been done on this site many times and very clearly over the recent past by various posters. Unfortunately this has no impact on the thinking of those who seek the simple option. There is no quick fix to our situation and simply quoting win ratios for someone who has managed a group of other people's incompetents for 5 months is very simple indeed.

You're comparing football to other business? We're not Sainsbury's or Barclays ( if we were, I'd happily take my support/custom elsewhere). And I haven't seen any posts on here blaming Garde for the situation we're in, only posts from Villa fans who think that Garde isn't the person to help us get out of the situation we're in. 

With apologies for my grammar

No I'm not comparing football to Sainsburys or Barclays specifically, merely pointing out that football is not unique in being results based.

The post I was replying to was clearly blaming Garde for the position we are in, using the simplest of measures as evidence to support the argument. That is, using win ratios over a 5 month period during which the environment in which he was working became gradually more difficult, without taking account of this context.

Your grammar is fine.

I didn't interpret the original post as blaming Garde for the situation we're in. I read it as a response to the question of whether he should be in charge next season. The results-based business of football is unique in that clubs are judged on a week by week basis. How else are we to measure how well a football club is doing?

[old man villa fan]

I made the point a couple of weeks ago that the manager to take us forward successfully will depend on how much money is available in the summer.

No 'name' manager will come here with little money to spend. So, forget Noyes, Rodgers etc. If you think they will come because we are the famous Aston Villa, then you are deluded.

I'm with Brian Green and others in believing that Garde is the right man to take us forward, provided he is given the backing by the Board. This means moral support and financial support. He needs to be given sufficient money to get rid of about 6 senior players. It's not all of the squad by any means. These 6 or so players are then replaced with players that do give a s***, have a few leaders and have the level of ability to build the team around. It's easy to put a maximum cost on the disposal and any income is a bonus.

There is no doubt that we are going to have to rely on a fair few young players in the next 2 seasons so the right manager is essential and that's where I think Garde ticks the box.

From those that want him out, I have heard a lot about can't motivate, sits there showing no emotion, has given up, stated the obvious in public about the players etc.

What is motivation and how do you motivate players these days? You have to have that carrot that the players will stretch for e.g. further their careers, honours, more money or loss of position or earnings. If you look at the depleted squad he has had to work with, what carrot has he been able to offer them. Nothing, I would say. You can't just shout at players that are made for life and expect them to raise their game.

Not all managers prowl the touchline like a demented 6 year old on speed. Garde is a deep thinker but you can see that he is watching and analysing the game and discussing things with his coach. Nothing suggests to me that his demeanour shows that he has given up.

The Board need to decide the strategy going forward before making any decision on the manager. There is no rush to change the manager and we should not. We have to get our strategy right so that we can come back stronger and continue to evolve into a club that once more challenges.

Sorry for the length of this post but I'm not much good with 'one liners ' like "he's crap, get rid".

[Phil from the upper holte]

Well the 48 hours is up....What's occuring?

Was it bollocks after all?

[Witton Warrior]

Well the 48 hours is up....What's occuring?

Was it bollocks after all?

Internet ITK bollox turns out to be bollox shock?  ;-)

[Phil from the upper holte]

Well the 48 hours is up....What's occuring?

Was it bollocks after all?

Internet ITK bollox turns out to be bollox shock?  ;-)

Wasn't it in a few papers as well and the mail?

[paul_e]

yeah but when it comes to football stories internet ITK bollocks appears to be one of the most regularly used sources.

[mr woo]

My take on it, is that I'd only get rid of him now if we had someone lined up.

That's kind of my take on it as well. Whoever comes in can assess the squad and decide who he wants to keep (if any). It's a shame it hasn't worked, he's a very decent man who's handled himself with dignity despite the place falling down around him and the lack of effort from some of the players.

Yes, I accept the original quote too, although I would add the the next manager has not only to be lined up but also to be BETTER than the current one.


The point being every sacking in the Lerner era has been warranted and the right thing to do. The problem has been the idiots responsible for recruitment have somehow endeavoured to find a subsequently (and often obviously) worse manager every single time.

[tomd2103]

Well the 48 hours is up....What's occuring?

Was it bollocks after all?

Birmingham Mail tend to be quite restrained when it comes to stories like that, so for them to go in with both feet earlier in the week must mean it was on the cards. 

[cdward]

I want Garde to stay, for a lot of the reasons already mentioned by others.
It will show strength and unity from the board, they are backing him and send the message to players who have been called out by him, that they either shape up or ship out.

I also would like to see the players he wants to bring to the club.
The players we were linked with in January would have all been improvements on the current crop.

[ROBBO]

A lot more research has to go in to the players we bring in especially temperament, we need players that will give everything for the shirt every time they get on the pitch, that is the quality that has been missing all season.

[SheffieldVillain]

This is a results based business and his win rate is 13%. Not sure what more evidence anyone needs.

Oh well, if it's that simple, Tim Sherwood has a overall win ratio of 39% and Graham Taylor in his second spell 31.67%. So clearly Sherwood is a better manager.

Or maybe there are other factors to consider apart from just win ratio?

Let's deal with the present shall  we.

OK. Or maybe there are other factors to consider apart from just win ratio. Now as well as in the past. That better for you?

[Toronto Villa]

Surprised by the support for Garde in the poll.

I understand why people don't feel they support him, but it's not really surprising plenty do, surely?

There are definite some pretty significant mitigating factors at play - the cuntiest selection of unarsed players we've ever had, the total failure to back him in January, the entire club giving up as early as they possibly could, the shit situation he inherited when he came, not getting to buy a single player of his own.

Not asking you to agree with those, because I know you don't, but surely it's not that hard to understand that some people will feel that even when you balance those against the admittedly shit results, and throw in the tendency of this club to appoint awful fucking managers, Garde is worth persevering with.

The sooner he's gone the better, for me. Not impressed from day one.

You didn't say that from day 1 though.

From SH on page 1 of this thread

I wanted Moyes, but sod him, I'm right behind our new manager. All is not lost and it's not like we're getting thrashed out of sight every week. Plenty of twists and turns to come and I fully expect Garde to get us out of this mess.
Onwards and upwards!

Chuckle