Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa

[peter w]

I think I'm firmly in the camp of whatever happens, and I have no idea which way to go, I just hope the next decision is the right one.

[malckennedy]

This is a results based business and his win rate is 13%. Not sure what more evidence anyone needs.

All businesses are results based. Before pointing the finger of blame at any manager of any (results based) business' continued failure it really is worth considering the complete picture. This has been done on this site many times and very clearly over the recent past by various posters. Unfortunately this has no impact on the thinking of those who seek the simple option. There is no quick fix to our situation and simply quoting win ratios for someone who has managed a group of other people's incompetents for 5 months is very simple indeed.

[PeterWithesShin]

Despite what tossers some of the squad are, i'm pretty confident I, or pretty much any of us on here, could have got 16 points from 31 games with them. Even through pretty much blind luck you'd get a few wins.

It takes a special kind of shite that has you struggling to average half a point a game, and it's actually pretty hard to manage to be that consistently shit, which is why as it stands, there's only ever been 2 sides worse than us in the history of a 38 game 3 points for a win top flight season.

[TB]

Despite what tossers some of the squad are, i'm pretty confident I, or pretty much any of us on here, could have got 16 points from 31 games with them. Even through pretty much blind luck you'd get a few wins.

It takes a special kind of shite that has you struggling to average half a point a game, and it's actually pretty hard to manage to be that consistently shit, which is why as it stands, there's only ever been 2 sides worse than us in the history of a 38 game 3 points for a win top flight season.

Possibly the mindset of a major part of the senior players.

[robbyfvillain]

Even allowing for the fact that he is a nice guy, communicates well with the media, was completely stuffed by the board in January and has a very poor set of players, he should have been able to motivate some of them to play better, produce more effort etc.

But I don't see one single player who looks better than when Sherwood was here or even tries harder. Bearing in mind we are not going to buy a new squad of 26 players in the summer I cannot see how we can improve with Remi as the manager. For me he has to go and if we can identify the new manager and get him in this season then the sooner the better.

[conman]

Even allowing for the fact that he is a nice guy, communicates well with the media, was completely stuffed by the board in January and has a very poor set of players, he should have been able to motivate some of them to play better, produce more effort etc.

But I don't see one single player who looks better than when Sherwood was here or even tries harder. Bearing in mind we are not going to buy a new squad of 26 players in the summer I cannot see how we can improve with Remi as the manager. For me he has to go and if we can identify the new manager and get him in this season then the sooner the better.

true , we have gone downhill since he arrived

[mr woo]

Absolutely.

Dim Tim was awful once his cheerleading effect had worn off. Without Benteke and Delph he was a dead man walking.


 Garde has not only failed to motivate the playing staff, he has actually managed to piss them off more, partly due to him  talking candidly in the press, which to me was a huge indication of his inexperience.  I think he's burnt his bridges now and isn't too unhappy at that I suspect.

I'm against him staying mostly because I think the rebuilding job would be better passed to someone else now.  I'd maintain he would be struggle to remove all of the dissidents in one foul swoop and therefore the poison could infect any new incumbents.

I also think his lack of knowledge in this league is a major disadvantage, though I accept it has been achieved before,  the vast majority of promotions are by the more traditional type of manager.


I think the plan should be to appoint a (not necessarily him) Steve Bruce TYPE on a two year deal. 

Yr 1 Get us promoted.  Yr 2 Get us consolidated in the Prem. Yr3 Look to another more cultured manager to push us on.

This may not be pretty in the short term but it has worked for the likes of West Ham, Southampton,  and you could argue Newcastle - they just undid all the good work by giving a job to that clown Mclaren who's very predictably taken them back to square one.

[mr underhill]

The problem is that I don't think anyone who could cut the mustard would agree to a two year deal

[Clampy]

Surprised by the support for Garde in the poll.

I understand why people don't feel they support him, but it's not really surprising plenty do, surely?

There are definite some pretty significant mitigating factors at play - the cuntiest selection of unarsed players we've ever had, the total failure to back him in January, the entire club giving up as early as they possibly could, the shit situation he inherited when he came, not getting to buy a single player of his own.

Not asking you to agree with those, because I know you don't, but surely it's not that hard to understand that some people will feel that even when you balance those against the admittedly shit results, and throw in the tendency of this club to appoint awful fucking managers, Garde is worth persevering with.

The sooner he's gone the better, for me. Not impressed from day one.

You didn't say that from day 1 though.

[Clampy]

My take on it, is that I'd only get rid of him now if we had someone lined up.

That's kind of my take on it as well. Whoever comes in can assess the squad and decide who he wants to keep (if any). It's a shame it hasn't worked, he's a very decent man who's handled himself with dignity despite the place falling down around him and the lack of effort from some of the players.

[passport1]

This is a results based business and his win rate is 13%. Not sure what more evidence anyone needs.

Oh well, if it's that simple, Tim Sherwood has a overall win ratio of 39% and Graham Taylor in his second spell 31.67%. So clearly Sherwood is a better manager.

Or maybe there are other factors to consider apart from just win ratio?

Let's deal with the present shall  we.

[Mouse Potato]

I defend him but I'm with you in thinking that the club and him did what they could in January but we were just in too tough a spot.  I back him because: 1. I don't see the point in sacking him now and having a caretaker until the summer, if they have a replacement in mind and he's willing and able to join now then fair enough but otherwise it's pointless and 2. I don't want us to become a club that jumps from manager to manager after 20-30 games.  Sherwood had a summer to get the team fit, playing to his style and to fill out the squad as he wanted to.  He failed on all 3 fronts and deserved to go.  I'd prefer to see Garde get that same chance, if he wants it.  This is based on nothing more than pure hope that the man we see in interviews can back up that calm, intelligent demeanour with a team that plays calm, intelligent football, or simpler still, I like him and want him be the manager I think he can be.

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[passport1]

This is a results based business and his win rate is 13%. Not sure what more evidence anyone needs.

All businesses are results based. Before pointing the finger of blame at any manager of any (results based) business' continued failure it really is worth considering the complete picture. This has been done on this site many times and very clearly over the recent past by various posters. Unfortunately this has no impact on the thinking of those who seek the simple option. There is no quick fix to our situation and simply quoting win ratios for someone who has managed a group of other people's incompetents for 5 months is very simple indeed.

I'm very well aware of the other factors . He's still an appalling manager. I think I'm watching football long enough to recognise that.

[Tony Erdington]

I think I'm firmly in the camp of whatever happens, and I have no idea which way to go, I just hope the next decision is the right one.

and so say all of us.

[Chico Hamilton III]

This is a results based business and his win rate is 13%. Not sure what more evidence anyone needs.

All businesses are results based. Before pointing the finger of blame at any manager of any (results based) business' continued failure it really is worth considering the complete picture. This has been done on this site many times and very clearly over the recent past by various posters. Unfortunately this has no impact on the thinking of those who seek the simple option. There is no quick fix to our situation and simply quoting win ratios for someone who has managed a group of other people's incompetents for 5 months is very simple indeed.

You're comparing football to other business? We're not Sainsbury's or Barclays ( if we were, I'd happily take my support/custom elsewhere). And I haven't seen any posts on here blaming Garde for the situation we're in, only posts from Villa fans who think that Garde isn't the person to help us get out of the situation we're in. 

With apologies for my grammar