Quote from: gpbarr on February 12, 2016, 01:58:04 PMPrecisely. History reflects strong evidence that consistently changing managers reaps little reward. Outside the fact Garde has obvious class and a clear ability to speak simple truths, we ought give him a proper chance to turn this around, as opposed judging him on the basis half a season managing someone else's pile of crap. The summer will be fascinating if he stays irrespective what league we are in. I'm not for one minute advocating sacking Garde but what is this 'strong evidence' you refer to?To give two glaring examples against this, Chelsea have had 10 managers in the past 8/9 years and have won 8 trophies. Arsenal on the other hand have had one manager and have needed double that time to win the same number of trophies.
Precisely. History reflects strong evidence that consistently changing managers reaps little reward. Outside the fact Garde has obvious class and a clear ability to speak simple truths, we ought give him a proper chance to turn this around, as opposed judging him on the basis half a season managing someone else's pile of crap. The summer will be fascinating if he stays irrespective what league we are in.
You might not like Chelsea, but they won the Champions League and deserved it. We won it through a jammy goal off Peter Withe's shin.
Quote from: Ad@m on February 12, 2016, 04:48:36 PMQuote from: gpbarr on February 12, 2016, 01:58:04 PMPrecisely. History reflects strong evidence that consistently changing managers reaps little reward. Outside the fact Garde has obvious class and a clear ability to speak simple truths, we ought give him a proper chance to turn this around, as opposed judging him on the basis half a season managing someone else's pile of crap. The summer will be fascinating if he stays irrespective what league we are in. I'm not for one minute advocating sacking Garde but what is this 'strong evidence' you refer to?To give two glaring examples against this, Chelsea have had 10 managers in the past 8/9 years and have won 8 trophies. Arsenal on the other hand have had one manager and have needed double that time to win the same number of trophies.Relative to what they set out to do (and the money thrown at the problem) Chelsea have been a failure.It has been over twenty years now since Bates started the overspending and Abramovic underwrote it retrospective then added bank loads of his own. Where they oght to be after that - and where they still want to be - is dominating Europe, up there with Real, Barca and Bayern. They do have a scummy pens win Euro cup to their name, but that is well short of the success that they should have had given the money and players at their disposal.
Quote from: Ad@m on February 12, 2016, 04:48:36 PMQuote from: gpbarr on February 12, 2016, 01:58:04 PMPrecisely. History reflects strong evidence that consistently changing managers reaps little reward. Outside the fact Garde has obvious class and a clear ability to speak simple truths, we ought give him a proper chance to turn this around, as opposed judging him on the basis half a season managing someone else's pile of crap. The summer will be fascinating if he stays irrespective what league we are in. I'm not for one minute advocating sacking Garde but what is this 'strong evidence' you refer to?To give two glaring examples against this, Chelsea have had 10 managers in the past 8/9 years and have won 8 trophies. Arsenal on the other hand have had one manager and have needed double that time to win the same number of trophies.As ozzjim remarked, set aside the top 3 in the last decade (actually 12 years given only those 3 clubs have won the PL in that time) - Chelsea, Man City, and Man Utd were some of the biggest spenders not just in English football but world football during that time. Once you get past them, there is a connection between those clubs who have achieved long term stability / success (winning trophies is not the be all and end all IMO - competitive, attractive football would be a great start) and those who seem to consistently fluctuate all over the place, or for whom survival is an annual rite. Remember, hiring and firing managers is in and of itself a very costly business given pay offs, buy outs etc (and boy do we know about that at Villa), added to the associated costs with a new manager wanting a new team, new players and so forth. Its really hardly surprising its hard to engender stability when you keep changing managers.
If Garde was an ex Villa manager would he be an early Vic Crowe or an early Ron Saunders? I'm not thinking in terms of league position and players he has at his disposal but is is he having to turn it around to pass on to someone else to bring the club on even further? Or is he the one to take us further?
Quote from: Steve R on February 13, 2016, 12:56:07 AMQuote from: Ad@m on February 12, 2016, 04:48:36 PMQuote from: gpbarr on February 12, 2016, 01:58:04 PMPrecisely. History reflects strong evidence that consistently changing managers reaps little reward. Outside the fact Garde has obvious class and a clear ability to speak simple truths, we ought give him a proper chance to turn this around, as opposed judging him on the basis half a season managing someone else's pile of crap. The summer will be fascinating if he stays irrespective what league we are in. I'm not for one minute advocating sacking Garde but what is this 'strong evidence' you refer to?To give two glaring examples against this, Chelsea have had 10 managers in the past 8/9 years and have won 8 trophies. Arsenal on the other hand have had one manager and have needed double that time to win the same number of trophies.Relative to what they set out to do (and the money thrown at the problem) Chelsea have been a failure.It has been over twenty years now since Bates started the overspending and Abramovic underwrote it retrospective then added bank loads of his own. Where they oght to be after that - and where they still want to be - is dominating Europe, up there with Real, Barca and Bayern. They do have a scummy pens win Euro cup to their name, but that is well short of the success that they should have had given the money and players at their disposal.Winning things is the not reason for all the investment though. Chelsea is a giant money laundering enterprise. When criminals invest in a company to wash their money they don't expect to get all the money they put in back. Over the years the Russian Oligarch has managed to pass billions of roubles through the west London club and buy himself a certain amount of legitimacy that keeps himself safe from Putin.
I'm sorry to be so blunt at this time in the morning but Mellins comment above is quite possibly the most brain dead thing I've ever read on here.
Quote from: Mellin on February 13, 2016, 03:25:52 AMYou might not like Chelsea, but they won the Champions League and deserved it. We won it through a jammy goal off Peter Withe's shin. Way to make yourself popular.
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