The underlying problem...

[PeterWithe]

I've seen nearly every game over the last miserable five years, this is no-where near as bad as its been.

[Percy McCarthy]

I'd just like to point out that Burger King are a British company.

Well, someone needed to point it out.

It's not by the way, it's based in Florida. What that has got to do with the price of fish, or processed meat, I'm confused about but there you go.

I was referring to the mad rant about Americans earlier in the thread. I thought it was part of Great Universal Stores, a British-owned company. I could of course be mistaken.

[amfy]

At Leicester I remember turning to the bloke behind me when we went 2-0 up and saying 'Why do I feel worse? When they pulled one back, you felt the slow intake of breath from the crowd like we all knew what was coming.

I remember a season or so ago, Emile Heskey being quoted as saying the Villa fans 'Don't so much get on your back as go unbearably quiet'. I think my match companion's reaction of 'F off Emile, if you hadn't been so F in shit maybe we'd have had more to sing about' is a fair one, but I also think he is right.

I do think the team felt that from us at Leicester, and I think there is a difference between ' blaming the fans' and saying the continuation of a losing mentality lies with the fans. Look back over this thread and it is about how many years we have put up with this, how every one has had enough of losing and being shit. We have come to expect it?

A few posts up there's something like - Even if we beat Stoke 4-0 I'll have no confidence going into the Chelsea game because every upturn is followed by more shit. That's how we all feel now, it's like we've lost the ability to believe in anything good.

I think the Cup Final really cemented this - more than any other time we've gone to Wembley I believed this was 'our year' - it felt like all the signs were there. It emerged like a beacon out of the shiteness that surrounded it. We were in an FA Cup miracle bubble and nothing could stop us. When that bubble burst, it felt as bad as anything I'd experienced as a fan.

It becomes easier to believe that everything is shit, that when you are 2-0 up, all it is going to take is one goal from the opposition and it's all going down the pan, because believing good stuff is going to happen can only end one way can't it?

I honestly believe that with a change of manager, director, & virtually the entire playing staff, the continuation of a 'losing mentality' might lie with us. NOT, that it is our fault, but that we are ground down by it and struggling to get up. The challenge for a manager of this club, is getting a team to be able to play us out of that, rather than panic when they feel it from us. We have earned our right to be miserable and defeatist, we need a team that is able to rise above that to drag us out of it, not be pulled in with us.


 

[Risso]

I'd just like to point out that Burger King are a British company.

Well, someone needed to point it out.

It's not by the way, it's based in Florida. What that has got to do with the price of fish, or processed meat, I'm confused about but there you go.

I was referring to the mad rant about Americans earlier in the thread. I thought it was part of Great Universal Stores, a British-owned company. I could of course be mistaken.

The ultimate holding company of Burger King is a Delaware company, as you'd probably expect, but most of the restaurants around the world are privately held franchises.  In the UK, Grand Metropolitan (not GUS) owned Wimpy, and merged it with Burger King, presumably because they'd bought into the BK franchises.

[PeterWithe]

Oh right, I missed that and thought you'd just got in or summat. Sorry.

[PeterWithe]

I met a bloke who claimed to be a Burger King executive whilst watching the Bournmouth game, he started telling me the history before I excused myself, went to the bar and then went to stand somewhere else.

[Percy McCarthy]

Oh right, I missed that and thought you'd just got in or summat. Sorry.

No, I've been in all night sadly.

[Percy McCarthy]

I'd just like to point out that Burger King are a British company.

Well, someone needed to point it out.

It's not by the way, it's based in Florida. What that has got to do with the price of fish, or processed meat, I'm confused about but there you go.

I was referring to the mad rant about Americans earlier in the thread. I thought it was part of Great Universal Stores, a British-owned company. I could of course be mistaken.

The ultimate holding company of Burger King is a Delaware company, as you'd probably expect, but most of the restaurants around the world are privately held franchises.  In the UK, Grand Metropolitan (not GUS) owned Wimpy, and merged it with Burger King, presumably because they'd bought into the BK franchises.

Ta.

[Sexual Ealing]

its sometimes very hard to put into words what your head and heart are saying.
many of us on here remember the halcyon days of the late seventies and early eighties
but try to forget the early seventies and late eighties.
what got us from the 3rd to the 1st? the 2nd back to the 1st?
I don't know the answer,does anybody?
So many questions but no definitive answers.
I do believe it was almost certainly down to continuity and a strong and passionate
boardroom(ie the very top dogs at the club). We now seem devoid of any ambition
at this wonderful football club and it is really starting to worry me what lies in store.
OK I know if we do get relegated we would be back,without doubt, but returning any
better or wiser, I doubt.
The problem lies at the very top,we need a new owner with people around him that
have villa close to their hearts(dream on).We keep trying to mop up the puddles(McLeish
lambert et al) but until the root cause is addressed we will continue to fester..


 

4/10. Doesn't even rhyme.

[olaftab]

I'd just like to point out that Burger King are a British company.

Well, someone needed to point it out.

It's not by the way, it's based in Florida. What that has got to do with the price of fish, or processed meat, I'm confused about but there you go.

I was referring to the mad rant about Americans earlier in the thread. I thought it was part of Great Universal Stores, a British-owned company. I could of course be mistaken.

At this stage I would like to state that I have NEVER been to a Burger King establishment to purchase anything whatsoever!

[TonyD]

I blame MON.  He ruined the tram museum for me.

[olaftab]

You are right we have been off track ever since.

[Percy McCarthy]

I'd just like to point out that Burger King are a British company.

Well, someone needed to point it out.

It's not by the way, it's based in Florida. What that has got to do with the price of fish, or processed meat, I'm confused about but there you go.

I was referring to the mad rant about Americans earlier in the thread. I thought it was part of Great Universal Stores, a British-owned company. I could of course be mistaken.

At this stage I would like to state that I have NEVER been to a Burger King establishment to purchase anything whatsoever!

I have and I didn't like it much, and I usually love crap like that. I'm not exactly a connoisseur.

[Sexual Ealing]

I think our problems stem from our inability as fans to express hyperbolic outrage. If, for example, we could all agree to refer to this 'once great club' in a uniform way, or settle on using 'Aston Villa Football Club' to indicate gravitas then surely Randolph would have no option but to release a statement that we could then moan about for ages. We, the fans, must remain resolute and remember that moaning is the only avenue left open to us now.

[Rudy65]

I think our problems stem from our inability as fans to express hyperbolic outrage. If, for example, we could all agree to refer to this 'once great club' in a uniform way, or settle on using 'Aston Villa Football Club' to indicate gravitas then surely Randolph would have no option but to release a statement that we could then moan about for ages. We, the fans, must remain resolute and remember that moaning is the only avenue left open to us now.

Your first setnence could be correct. It always amazed me that during Lamberts dire reign the fans never turned on him. We were patient.

Thats probably why i want a change now