Rudy Gestede - GONE

[brian green]

Headed goals from crosses are very much part of the modern game but they are not going to come from Alan Wright type crosses spooned high and deep. A top class header of the ball needs hard, low trajectory crosses he can move into for full power. Alan Hutton does not cross well and Amavi for reasons of his own appears not not want to go too far beyond the half way line after an hour.

[postal]

I agree, but the football we have to play in order to get those goals is from the Stone Age.

What, you mean crosses into the box?

There's a difference from good crosses into the box, and the hooffing it hopefully towards the goal. If there is no-one to hold on the ball, its ends up, at best, a game of ping-pong.

Rudy doesn't seem be able to hold on to the ball and so is best kept on the bench until the last 20 - 25 minutes, if the players who have some feet skills, have run out of ideas. ( though that could be after 20 mins   )

[villadelph]

I bet Benteke is gutted he didn't listen to Tim as he's proving we know exactly how to service a big man up front.

Right now we couldn't service a big man up front if we bought him season tickets for Legs 11 and Spearmint Rhino with a couple of grands worth of £10 notes taped to his cock.

I don't think 4 goals is a bad return for Gestede to be honest.

I agree, but the football we have to play in order to get those goals is from the Stone Age.

What, you mean crosses into the box?

No. I mean bypassing the technically skilled midfield we just put together in favor of 40 yard lumps to a player that can't trap, turn or hold up play. It's the same thing that happened with Bent. He's good in one position a few yards from goal.

I don't know if you were alive in the 80s, but the idea of a long ball to a big man with the other striker running off him isn't going to beat modern CBs. It's sad, and it's not what Sherwood sold us when he came on.

We need dynamic striking options. I like Rudy. He's a positive personality, fairly strong and good in the air.. but he has a lot of glaring downfalls too. I've seen him complete one decent dribble. The errant traps and passes won't cut it at this level.

[Clampy]

I bet Benteke is gutted he didn't listen to Tim as he's proving we know exactly how to service a big man up front.

Right now we couldn't service a big man up front if we bought him season tickets for Legs 11 and Spearmint Rhino with a couple of grands worth of £10 notes taped to his cock.

I don't think 4 goals is a bad return for Gestede to be honest.

I agree, but the football we have to play in order to get those goals is from the Stone Age.

What, you mean crosses into the box?

No. I mean bypassing the technically skilled midfield we just put together in favor of 40 yard lumps to a player that can't trap, turn or hold up play. It's the same thing that happened with Bent. He's good in one position a few yards from goal.

I don't know if you were alive in the 80s, but the idea of a long ball to a big man with the other striker running off him isn't going to beat modern CBs. It's sad, and it's not what Sherwood sold us when he came on.

We need dynamic striking options. I like Rudy. He's a positive personality, fairly strong and good in the air.. but he has a lot of glaring downfalls too. I've seen him complete one decent dribble. The errant traps and passes won't cut it at this level.

Three of his four goals have come from crosses into the box, which he thrives on. His second at Liverpool was just stunning.

No, i'm not convinced he's the answer either but to call our football 'stone age' is stretching it a bit.

[villadelph]

I bet Benteke is gutted he didn't listen to Tim as he's proving we know exactly how to service a big man up front.

Right now we couldn't service a big man up front if we bought him season tickets for Legs 11 and Spearmint Rhino with a couple of grands worth of £10 notes taped to his cock.

I don't think 4 goals is a bad return for Gestede to be honest.

I agree, but the football we have to play in order to get those goals is from the Stone Age.

What, you mean crosses into the box?

No. I mean bypassing the technically skilled midfield we just put together in favor of 40 yard lumps to a player that can't trap, turn or hold up play. It's the same thing that happened with Bent. He's good in one position a few yards from goal.

I don't know if you were alive in the 80s, but the idea of a long ball to a big man with the other striker running off him isn't going to beat modern CBs. It's sad, and it's not what Sherwood sold us when he came on.

We need dynamic striking options. I like Rudy. He's a positive personality, fairly strong and good in the air.. but he has a lot of glaring downfalls too. I've seen him complete one decent dribble. The errant traps and passes won't cut it at this level.

Three of his four goals have come from crosses into the box, which he thrives on. His second at Liverpool was just stunning.

No, i'm not convinced he's the answer either but to call our football 'stone age' is stretching it a bit.

When your main striker had absolutely no involvement in the build up it's a problem. The same "problem" we had with Bent and the guy was a goal machine. He has to add more to his game.

[Clampy]

I bet Benteke is gutted he didn't listen to Tim as he's proving we know exactly how to service a big man up front.

Right now we couldn't service a big man up front if we bought him season tickets for Legs 11 and Spearmint Rhino with a couple of grands worth of £10 notes taped to his cock.

I don't think 4 goals is a bad return for Gestede to be honest.

I agree, but the football we have to play in order to get those goals is from the Stone Age.

What, you mean crosses into the box?

No. I mean bypassing the technically skilled midfield we just put together in favor of 40 yard lumps to a player that can't trap, turn or hold up play. It's the same thing that happened with Bent. He's good in one position a few yards from goal.

I don't know if you were alive in the 80s, but the idea of a long ball to a big man with the other striker running off him isn't going to beat modern CBs. It's sad, and it's not what Sherwood sold us when he came on.

We need dynamic striking options. I like Rudy. He's a positive personality, fairly strong and good in the air.. but he has a lot of glaring downfalls too. I've seen him complete one decent dribble. The errant traps and passes won't cut it at this level.

Three of his four goals have come from crosses into the box, which he thrives on. His second at Liverpool was just stunning.

No, i'm not convinced he's the answer either but to call our football 'stone age' is stretching it a bit.

When your main striker had absolutely no involvement in the build up it's a problem. The same "problem" we had with Bent and the guy was a goal machine. He has to add more to his game.

So a striker has to be involved in every goal he scores? What rubbish. He was on the end of it and a bloody good finish it was too.

[sirlordbaltimore]

When your main striker had absolutely no involvement in the build up it's a problem. The same "problem" we had with Bent and the guy was a goal machine. He has to add more to his game.

One of the stranger things i've ever read on here

[villadelph]

I bet Benteke is gutted he didn't listen to Tim as he's proving we know exactly how to service a big man up front.

Right now we couldn't service a big man up front if we bought him season tickets for Legs 11 and Spearmint Rhino with a couple of grands worth of £10 notes taped to his cock.

I don't think 4 goals is a bad return for Gestede to be honest.

I agree, but the football we have to play in order to get those goals is from the Stone Age.

What, you mean crosses into the box?

No. I mean bypassing the technically skilled midfield we just put together in favor of 40 yard lumps to a player that can't trap, turn or hold up play. It's the same thing that happened with Bent. He's good in one position a few yards from goal.

I don't know if you were alive in the 80s, but the idea of a long ball to a big man with the other striker running off him isn't going to beat modern CBs. It's sad, and it's not what Sherwood sold us when he came on.

We need dynamic striking options. I like Rudy. He's a positive personality, fairly strong and good in the air.. but he has a lot of glaring downfalls too. I've seen him complete one decent dribble. The errant traps and passes won't cut it at this level.

Three of his four goals have come from crosses into the box, which he thrives on. His second at Liverpool was just stunning.

No, i'm not convinced he's the answer either but to call our football 'stone age' is stretching it a bit.

When your main striker had absolutely no involvement in the build up it's a problem. The same "problem" we had with Bent and the guy was a goal machine. He has to add more to his game.

So a striker has to be involved in every goal he scores? What rubbish. He was on the end of it and a bloody good finish it was too.

Read please.

When a striker has no value in possession or build up play we run in to the same problem we had with Darren. Involved in every goal? Did I say anything of the sort? The lead up to a goal is 30 seconds of a match. I'm concerned about the other 89 minutes and 95 yards of the pitch.

Does he pass well, does he control the ball well, can he turn and beat a defender? Most premier league strikers can. We are depending on a striker that is another "fox in the box" and needs to become more technically sound.

Come on kid, read what I wrote not what you want.

[Clampy]

I know what your trying to say and to an extent I agree, but saying it's a problem that he's not been involved in the build up to his goals is bizarre.

Oh and I was alive in the 80's. I've got the Goombay Dance Band on 12''.

[villadelph]

When your main striker had absolutely no involvement in the build up it's a problem. The same "problem" we had with Bent and the guy was a goal machine. He has to add more to his game.

One of the stranger things i've ever read on here

I can see how that could be contradictive, but Bent had great outside players feeding him well placed balls. We don't have near the same caliber doing that now. When Bent lost Downing and Ashley he was "lazy and one dimensional"

[PeterWithesShin]

Bent was never the same after that injury at Wigan, so it was more down to him not even being able to do the one thing he was good at that led to the criticism. He got very little stick when he was banging them in.

[villadelph]

Bent was never the same after that injury at Wigan, so it was more down to him not even being able to do the one thing he was good at that led to the criticism. He got very little stick when he was banging them in.

He was also surrounded by England internationals in his prime with the club.

[Dr Butler]

ffs Rudy is now injured according the the mail...

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/rudy-gestede-returns-aston-villa-10452554

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[Ron Manager]

ffs Rudy is now injured according the the mail...

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/rudy-gestede-returns-aston-villa-10452554

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The Doc

I was going to suggest that we get Callum Robinson back from Bristol City, if we can ,and play him upfront with Ayew or Gestede. Having said that Robinson has hardly featured for them either in the team or the match day squad. I thought he had something. Very popular on loan at Preston.

[john e]

Sadly I think the big lads one of the worst I've ever seen up the Villa
I honestly would prefer Heskey or Harewood that's how bad he is

Even his heading is poor now, I don't think there is any hope of him developing into what we need, we desperately need a striker in the window

Edit- sorry for the negative post, just being honest