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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: andyh on July 30, 2015, 10:21:41 AM
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http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/
Seem to be something in this now.
Hmmm, not 100% convinced he is right for us.
A big step up for him, it all feels a bit jordan Bowyer'ish'
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Sun reporting that gestede almost done
Blackburn have confirmed that a fee has been agreed
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...it all feels a bit jordan Bowyer'ish'
Is that Ian's lad?
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We're buying masses of potential and it's very exciting.
But aren't we missing a wise old head or two?
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Sun reporting that gestede almost done
Blackburn have confirmed that a fee has been agreed
I don't think I've ever seen him play, but whenever I hear the name I immediately think of the scumbag who murdered Meredith Kercher.
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Maybe he's like doom Dublin and can play centre back
The end of kozak perhaps? I'd feel really sorry for him
I certainly hope not - Kozak has a real football brain and can finish. Maybe this is more about the Adebayor loan deal - get Kozak, Gestede and Ayew learning off Ade ...
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Rudy Gestede fee agreed.
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Know nothing about him but he scored 22 goals last season, not bad
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The obligatory youtube compo I watched he scored an insane amount with his head. Not sure about him, there's always the risk of can they make the step up but he looks a big bastard.
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Nothing but positive comments from BRFC fans
Truerover85 says...
Fantastic player! Thanks you for your services Rudy! Think you will be an excellent replacement for Benteke and if it doesnt work out you will always be welcome back at BRFC
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We're buying masses of potential and it's very exciting.
But aren't we missing a wise old head or two?
Adebayor?
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Blackburn fan I work with says he's the better forward out of him and Rhodes.
Big and quick, plays as a target man.
Worth a punt and makes sense. I think comparing a player who scored 20 plus in the Championship with Bowery is a bit unfair.
We need goals and this guy seemed to find them last season.
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Would this suggest that either Kozak and/or Agbonlahor are to be moved on (or kept out wide in Gabby's case...). As I expect Adebayor, Ayew and Gedeste would be first choice.
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Anyone know what sort of fee we're talking?
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Would this suggest that either Kozak and/or Agbonlahor are to be moved on (or kept out wide in Gabby's case...). As I expect Adebayor, Ayew and Gedeste would be first choice.
Of the 2 I'd rather see Gabby move on, Kozak looks a tidy player to me and has something Gabby doesn't - the ability to finish.
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Took a look at a Blackburn forum to see what they are saying.
First post i see begins like this:
For at least 10 years Villa were a smaller Club than us. They now have a Manager that we could have appointed some time ago but had fallen foul of the Keano replacement syndrome.
Wow.
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Would this suggest that either Kozak and/or Agbonlahor are to be moved on (or kept out wide in Gabby's case...). As I expect Adebayor, Ayew and Gedeste would be first choice.
Of the 2 I'd rather see Gabby move on, Kozak looks a tidy player to me and has something Gabby doesn't - the ability to finish.
Gabby just seems to get injured far to easily and often.
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Anyone know why Gestede's record prior to Blackburn is so poor? Has he had injuries?
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Very happy about this. He's big, strong and gets himself involved.
Maybe Sherwood plans to out gung-ho Lambert's Bradford effort by playing 3-2-5, lumping it straight down the middle in the desperate hope that somebody gets a flick-on.
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Although he plays for Benin, I see he was born in France.
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Anyone know what sort of fee we're talking?
About £6-7M by the sounds of it
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The fee I've heard is £6m-£7m which makes sense as Blackburn were apparently holding out for £8m.
With regards to him being full of potential, he is 26, he isn't someone that will get alot better and in the championship has a similar strike rate to Charlie Austin who is now going to cost £15m so I think this is a good deal.
He seems like a powerful forward in the Benteke mold which along with Adebayor, Kozak, Ayew & Gabby will mean we have a number of different options of how to play up front.
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Anyone know what sort of fee we're talking?
About £6-7M by the sounds of it
Thanks.
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Anyone know why Gestede's record prior to Blackburn is so poor? Has he had injuries?
Saw him playing for Cardiff years ago and thought he looked pretty good, but very raw. Seems to have blossomed since being at Blackburn.
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Medical due tomorrow - SSN yellow ticker
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Anyone know why Gestede's record prior to Blackburn is so poor? Has he had injuries?
Saw him playing for Cardiff years ago and thought he looked pretty good, but very raw. Seems to have blossomed since being at Blackburn.
Thanks for the explanation. I was just looking at it scoring record early in his career and was a little concerned!
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I wonder if the adebayor deal is definitely happening? You'd assume so
You'd think we'd only play with one 6 foot forward and have one on the bench, so one of them doesn't even make the bench regularly?
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Took a look at a Blackburn forum to see what they are saying.
First post i see begins like this:
For at least 10 years Villa were a smaller Club than us. They now have a Manager that we could have appointed some time ago but had fallen foul of the Keano replacement syndrome.
Wow.
They like their moonshine up there.
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Took a look at a Blackburn forum to see what they are saying.
First post i see begins like this:
For at least 10 years Villa were a smaller Club than us. They now have a Manager that we could have appointed some time ago but had fallen foul of the Keano replacement syndrome.
Wow.
They like their moonshine up there.
Indeed. One of them hopes to get Tonev on loan,
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Took a look at a Blackburn forum to see what they are saying.
First post i see begins like this:
For at least 10 years Villa were a smaller Club than us. They now have a Manager that we could have appointed some time ago but had fallen foul of the Keano replacement syndrome.
Wow.
There is a thread on a Wolves site where they actaully think they were a bigger club than us until the 1980s.
Then you have FoxesTalk, where, well, words simply fail me.
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Actually quite excited by this.
Sherwood is having a very good summer if this & Veretout comes off.
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We're buying masses of potential and it's very exciting.
But aren't we missing a wise old head or two?
Gestede is 26. That's not exactly young in footballing terms
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How good are Benin ?
Is RG potentially another player that could be lost to the AFCON ?
EDIT - Just checked da Wiki. Benin are pants
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Took a look at a Blackburn forum to see what they are saying.
First post i see begins like this:
There is a thread on a Wolves site where they actaully think they were a bigger club than us until the 1980s.
Then you have FoxesTalk, where, well, words simply fail me.
Similar historys, they've got 3 League titles, 2 FA Cups, 2 League Cups since the war, contested the first UEFA Cup final. so there might be a case for the argument, if you're old enough to remember.
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I think he's talking recent history.
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How good are Benin ?
Is RG potentially another player that could be lost to the AFCON ?
They qualified in 2004, 2008 and 2010 but haven't since. Probably about a 50/50 chance of qualifying?
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How good are Benin ?
Is RG potentially another player that could be lost to the AFCON ?
They qualified in 2004, 2008 and 2010 but haven't since. Probably about a 50/50 chance of qualifying?
I'd just checked for myself (see above). I don't think that we've too much to worry about
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Took a look at a Blackburn forum to see what they are saying.
First post i see begins like this:
For at least 10 years Villa were a smaller Club than us. They now have a Manager that we could have appointed some time ago but had fallen foul of the Keano replacement syndrome.
Wow.
There is a thread on a Wolves site where they actaully think they were a bigger club than us until the 1980s.
Then you have FoxesTalk, where, well, words simply fail me.
FoxesTalk sounds like an 0898 number. I think I am right in saying Blackburn finished above us twice in the PL after years outside the top flight. The season they won the title and the season before that. Four years later they went down during a period we tended to be in and around the top six. Stretching that to being bigger than us for ten years is a Small Heath level of delusion.
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He's a good player but would rather Kozak get a proper chance.
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Whilst a take on the Kaiser Chief's "Ruby" would probably work better as a chant, I'm sure that something can be made of...................
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6m fee, medical tomorrow.
Only cost Blackburn 200k last year. That's some great profit for Blackburn. I can see him being good for us. A handful up front.
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He's a good player but would rather Kozak get a proper chance.
It seems strange to me if we end up with 3 big strikers but I suppose the logic would be that Kozak has been out for 18 months so it would be risky to rely on him. Gestede is untested in the top flight so the same and Adebeyor is Adebeyor so it makes sense to have a plan B and C.
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We need strength in depth, and to me Gestede, Adebayor, Kozak, Agbonlahor and Ayew looks a nice blend of youth and experience, pace, power and skill.
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the guy's a monster in the air ; I like him and think he could work well. as better option than Kovak imo
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Happy with this - Bring your scoring boots, Rudy.
We were initially interested in Rhodes but apparently we'd already exceeded our Jordan quota . . .
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Plus Rudy is a great name.
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I don't watch a lot of Championship football but on occasions I have seen Blackburn Gestede has impressed me.
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Robinson apparently going on loan as part of the deal.
Also that Rovers forum quoted above suggests that they are offering Delfouneso a contract.
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That would be a good loan for Robinson.
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Would this suggest that either Kozak and/or Agbonlahor are to be moved on (or kept out wide in Gabby's case...). As I expect Adebayor, Ayew and Gedeste would be first choice.
Of the 2 I'd rather see Gabby move on, Kozak looks a tidy player to me and has something Gabby doesn't - the ability to finish.
Gabby just seems to get injured far to easily and often.
Plus he can't play 'out wide' to save his life.
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well good luck to them with the Nathan bit ; maybe he ought to change his first name to Jordan
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Plus Rudy is a great name.
Rudy can't fail.
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A message to Rudy... welcome to The Villa!
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Kaiser Chiefs Ruby too obvious??
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stop your messing around
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Plus Rudy is a great name.
Rudy can't fail.
Yes?
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We need strength in depth, and to me Gestede, Adebayor, Kozak, Agbonlahor and Ayew looks a nice blend of youth and experience, pace, power and skill.
Hopefully Gabby will now fill the impact-sub role and is not being considered for a wide position
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Kaiser Chiefs Ruby too obvious??
Too shit. That is up there with 'Don't Worry Be Happy', 'Shiny Happy People', 'Light My Fire' and 'Chirpy, Chirpy, Cheep Cheep' as most horrendous noises ever committed to vinyl/shiny disc/mp3.
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Kaiser Chiefs Ruby too obvious??
Too shit. That is up there with 'Don't Worry Be Happy', 'Shiny Happy People', 'Light My Fire' and 'Chirpy, Chirpy, Cheep Cheep' as most horrendous noisesw ever committed to vinyl/shiny disc/mp3.
Indeed. Truly horrific.
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At 26 he is probably the right age for us. A younger player is always a gamble as it can be a case of too much too young.
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Kaiser Chiefs Ruby too obvious??
Too shit. That is up there with 'Don't Worry Be Happy', 'Shiny Happy People', 'Light My Fire' and 'Chirpy, Chirpy, Cheep Cheep' as most horrendous noisesw ever committed to vinyl/shiny disc/mp3.
Philistine.
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4 year offering of gestede to avfc, around the €43,000 weekly, and now move to medic even friday or saturday to complete quickly then ideal.
So about £30K per week if accurate
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I have seen him a few times with Blackburn and I always had the impression of a very good striker, to be proven at Premier League though, but I am confident.
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Gestede I've seen play a few times last season, he is the one player I really thought would suit us and should try and get so I'm well pleased. I think he'll be our best signing based on I've seen him play and I know what he will bring to the team. He's a handful and a trier. Always seems to be involved too.
Rudy Won't Fail.
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I'm impressed by how we're replacing Benteke. They clearly realise how important he was to the team, so it seems we're signing a few replacements in case one of them doesn't work out.
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Looking at his youtube vid of last seasons goals, very high percentage with his head, ideal to get on the end of those diagonal balls that Bacuna fires in.
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Sun reporting that gestede almost done
Blackburn have confirmed that a fee has been agreed
I don't think I've ever seen him play, but whenever I hear the name I immediately think of the scumbag who murdered Meredith Kercher.
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I remember watching a Cardiff game a few years back were he came on in the second half, and even though he looked clumsy, every time the ball went into the box he caused the opposition so much trouble, straight away he reminded me of Carew... His headed goals from last season were as good as your going too see. at £6m its a good deal.
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Kaiser Chiefs Ruby too obvious??
Too shit. That is up there with 'Don't Worry Be Happy', 'Shiny Happy People', 'Light My Fire' and 'Chirpy, Chirpy, Cheep Cheep' as most horrendous noisesw ever committed to vinyl/shiny disc/mp3.
Philistine.
Shiney happy people was a piss take though, because everyone accused them of being too low key and miserable looking. To be fair though it wasn't their finest hour.
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Yeah, Gestede gets my vote by the way, looks very promising.
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Kaiser Chiefs Ruby too obvious??
Too shit. That is up there with 'Don't Worry Be Happy', 'Shiny Happy People', 'Light My Fire' and 'Chirpy, Chirpy, Cheep Cheep' as most horrendous noisesw ever committed to vinyl/shiny disc/mp3.
Philistine.
Shiney happy people was a piss take though, because everyone accused them of being too low key and miserable looking. To be fair though it wasn't their finest hour.
"Light My Fire" is a poor song by a great band.
"Man on the Moon" is an all time crappy song by the best band ever.
I think that we did "Crap songs by great bands" over in Music a while back.
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Took a look at a Blackburn forum to see what they are saying.
First post i see begins like this:
For at least 10 years Villa were a smaller Club than us. They now have a Manager that we could have appointed some time ago but had fallen foul of the Keano replacement syndrome.
Wow.
what have they been putting in their chicken ????
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Took a look at a Blackburn forum to see what they are saying.
First post i see begins like this:
For at least 10 years Villa were a smaller Club than us. They now have a Manager that we could have appointed some time ago but had fallen foul of the Keano replacement syndrome.
Wow.
what have they been putting in their chicken ????
There's always some saft twat saying anything to curry favour
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Kaiser Chiefs Ruby too obvious??
Too shit. That is up there with 'Don't Worry Be Happy', 'Shiny Happy People', 'Light My Fire' and 'Chirpy, Chirpy, Cheep Cheep' as most horrendous noisesw ever committed to vinyl/shiny disc/mp3.
Philistine.
Shiney happy people was a piss take though, because everyone accused them of being too low key and miserable looking. To be fair though it wasn't their finest hour.
"Light My Fire" is a poor song by a great band.
"Man on the Moon" is an all time crappy song by the best band ever.
I think that we did "Crap songs by great bands" over in Music a while back.
Man on the moon isn't great but I prefer it to shiny happy people. Nightswimming is maybe my favourite but I love piano (although even better when mixed with guitar).
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Took a look at a Blackburn forum to see what they are saying.
First post i see begins like this:
For at least 10 years Villa were a smaller Club than us. They now have a Manager that we could have appointed some time ago but had fallen foul of the Keano replacement syndrome.
Wow.
what have they been putting in their chicken ????
There's always some saft twat saying anything to curry favour
He wants to Korma down a bit, he's making himself look like an epic phall.
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Yes good in the air and improved a lot last season so seems a good signing and not exorbitant.
At the moment the transfer news seems like waking up as a kid with an advent calendar and opening the window every day to see what's there...sort of.
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some off that Blackburn forum are obviously looking for some Ahjee Bhajee
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only bit I saw of him was ripping Skrtel a new one in the FA Cup last year, I think he will do well
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Kaiser Chiefs Ruby too obvious??
Too shit. That is up there with 'Don't Worry Be Happy', 'Shiny Happy People', 'Light My Fire' and 'Chirpy, Chirpy, Cheep Cheep' as most horrendous noisesw ever committed to vinyl/shiny disc/mp3.
Philistine.
Shiney happy people was a piss take though, because everyone accused them of being too low key and miserable looking. To be fair though it wasn't their finest hour.
"Light My Fire" is a poor song by a great band.
"Man on the Moon" is an all time crappy song by the best band ever.
I think that we did "Crap songs by great bands" over in Music a while back.
Light My Fire is an half decent song by an awful band. Those organ solo's got on my bleeding nerves.
R.E.M are just wonderful.
As for Rudi Gestede, i've not seen anything of him, but with Adebayor coming in, i'm not sure we need him.
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We're buying masses of potential and it's very exciting.
But aren't we missing a wise old head or two?
Adebayor?
He said wise old head not a f in juvenile trapped in an old body.
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Whilst a take on the Kaiser Chief's "Ruby" would probably work better as a chant, I'm sure that something can be made of...................
Stop your messing around
Stick one in for the Villa
Oh Leandro Bacuna
Cross it onto his head
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Plus Rudy is a great name.
Rudy can't fail.
One of my faves
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I can't excited by Rudy, purely because I've heard of him and Blackburn Rovers. I really don't like REM either and if it means that each time he plays the K*iser Ch*efs or REM are going to come up in conversation I don't want us to sign him.
Good name though.
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Yes good in the air and improved a lot last season so seems a good signing and not exorbitant.
At the moment the transfer news seems like waking up as a kid with an advent calendar and opening the window every day to see what's there...sort of.
Ruud Gullit sitting on a shed.
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I can't excited by Rudy, purely because I've heard of him and Blackburn Rovers. I really don't like REM either and if it means that each time he plays the K*iser Ch*efs or REM are going to come up in conversation I don't want us to sign him.
Good name though.
Based on the tangents our threads have been taking recently we can't guarantee that any subject won't come up in any thread.
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Kaiser Chiefs Ruby too obvious??
Too shit. That is up there with 'Don't Worry Be Happy', 'Shiny Happy People', 'Light My Fire' and 'Chirpy, Chirpy, Cheep Cheep' as most horrendous noisesw ever committed to vinyl/shiny disc/mp3.
Philistine.
Shiney happy people was a piss take though, because everyone accused them of being too low key and miserable looking. To be fair though it wasn't their finest hour.
"Light My Fire" is a poor song by a great band.
"Man on the Moon" is an all time crappy song by the best band ever.
I think that we did "Crap songs by great bands" over in Music a while back.
Man on the moon isn't great but I prefer it to shiny happy people. Nightswimming is maybe my favourite but I love piano (although even better when mixed with guitar).
Nightswimming is a brilliant song. I love the instrumental (song #5) on that album as well.
As a side note, looking forward to seeing how Gestede does in the Prem. I think he'll do well for us.
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How is his surname pronounced? Asking for pop related pun purposes obviously.
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a bit like Gestade
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how about ?
Gestede all my troubles seemed so far away.
Now it looks as though they're here to stay.
Oh, I believe in Gestede.
Suddenly I'm not half the man I used to be.
There's a shadow hanging over me.
Oh, Gestede came suddenly.
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The Doc
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How is his surname pronounced? Asking for pop related pun purposes obviously.
A bit like "And Gestede's gone"!
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I think we can combine it with the Ayew song.....
Ayew, the Gestede crew, show them what to do....
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how about ?
Gestede all my troubles seemed so far away.
Now it looks as though they're here to stay.
Oh, I believe in Gestede.
Suddenly I'm not half the man I used to be.
There's a shadow hanging over me.
Oh, Gestede came suddenly.
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The Doc
Love it!
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I have released a 7 inch single in celebration of his imminent arrival:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a7/Shellac-TheRudeGesture.jpg)
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Does the "Gestede came suddenly" line in the above song have anything to do with Tim and the alleged facials?
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Does the "Gestede came suddenly" line in the above song have anything to do with Tim and the alleged facials?
Were the facials not reserved for Veretout though?
Maybe scored might go in there! 9
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I would hope he would have more composure in front of goal. a shoot on site policy is never good
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Ru-dee can't faillll
Rudy can't fail
Ru-dee can't faillll
Rudy can't fail
Ru-dee can't faillll
Rudy can't fail
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how about ?
Gestede all my troubles seemed so far away.
Now it looks as though they're here to stay.
Oh, I believe in Gestede.
Suddenly I'm not half the man I used to be.
There's a shadow hanging over me.
Oh, Gestede came suddenly.
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The Doc
Excellent stuff and far better than anything that REM have come up with.
Don't mind "Losing my Religion" but "It's the End of the World" is in my top 5 of hated songs although to be fair it's not as bad as "Walk of Life" or "Should I stay or should I go".
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how about ?
Gestede all my troubles seemed so far away.
Now it looks as though they're here to stay.
Oh, I believe in Gestede.
Suddenly I'm not half the man I used to be.
There's a shadow hanging over me.
Oh, Gestede came suddenly.
UTV
The Doc
Excellent stuff and far better than anything that REM have come up with.
Don't mind "Losing my Religion" but "It's the End of the World" is in my top 5 of hated songs although to be fair it's not as bad as "Walk of Life" or "Should I stay or should I go".
A band that released about 15 albums is going nd to have some songs you don't like.
Don't go back to rockville is probably my favourite REM song.
Automatic for the people is probably their best album though, full of classics.
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I like 'Radio Free Europe', first time I heard it was when the Icicle Works played a cover of it at a gig in Newcastle and dedicated it to my mate who had given Mcnabb a copy of whatever album it was on.
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Murmur.
That's the REM album, I'm not just mumbling.
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Does the "Gestede came suddenly" line in the above song have anything to do with Tim and the alleged facials?
Were the facials not reserved for Veretout though?
Maybe scored might go in there! 9
I imagine if Tim's handing out facials wouldn't he extend the offer to his other new signings? I mean why limit the opportunity for another facial - right?
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Bang and Blame is my favourite REM song.
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He scored a hat trick against blose last season . Good enough in my book.
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I seem to remember being told about a secret show REM did a few years ago in London where they went by the name Bingo Hand Job. Did they or did I just make that up?
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http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/
Seem to be something in this now.
Hmmm, not 100% convinced he is right for us.
A big step up for him, it all feels a bit jordan Bowyer'ish'
My father in law is a Rovers season ticket holder. Reckons we will get a good player. Most at Ewood would rather see Rhodes depart rather than Gestede.
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the best thing REM ever did was that side project with Warren Zevon- Hindu Love Gods. , with their version of Mannish Boy one of the filthiest things ever committed to tape
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Bang on Chris, they did play a one off gig as 'bingo hand job' back in the early 90's
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I seem to remember being told about a secret show REM did a few years ago in London where they went by the name Bingo Hand Job. Did they or did I just make that up?
They did indeed
It was at The Borderline. I have the bootleg
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Plus Rudy is a great name.
It sure is
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Kaiser Chiefs Ruby too obvious??
Too shit. That is up there with 'Don't Worry Be Happy', 'Shiny Happy People', 'Light My Fire' and 'Chirpy, Chirpy, Cheep Cheep' as most horrendous noisesw ever committed to vinyl/shiny disc/mp3.
Philistine.
Shiney happy people was a piss take though, because everyone accused them of being too low key and miserable looking. To be fair though it wasn't their finest hour.
"Light My Fire" is a poor song by a great band.
"Man on the Moon" is an all time crappy song by the best band ever.
I think that we did "Crap songs by great bands" over in Music a while back.
Man on the moon isn't great but I prefer it to shiny happy people. Nightswimming is maybe my favourite but I love piano (although even better when mixed with guitar).
Nightswimming is a brilliant song. I love the instrumental (song #5) on that album as well.
As a side note, looking forward to seeing how Gestede does in the Prem. I think he'll do well for us.
The song after Nightswimming on the 'Automatic for the people' album is also good, cant remember the name, it is a lesser known one. Strange currencies off Monster is also one of my faves, i think they do the slower more gentle stuff really well.
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I always loved 'Near Wild Heaven' off Out of Time.
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Yes, another good one.
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Monster is a great album. Circus Envy is my favourite track
unfortunately for you lot, REM is another subject that I can blabber on about for hours.
I must have pushing 100 of their live shows
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I used to listen to Document a lot when I was a student.
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I always loved 'Near Wild Heaven' off Out of Time.
Country Feedback is the best song off that album.
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Bang and Blame is my favourite REM song.
Good shout. Tongue of Monster is also ace.
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Find the river, I think. Good song.
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Can we get it back on topic, please?
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Only joking.
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At My Most Beautiful - great song, very Pet Sounds.
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And I was just about to make the obligatory 'does gestede prefer automatic for the people or monster' comment.
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Can we get it back on topic, please?
Fuck off!
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so adeyboyor and berbatov not happening in light of this ?
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I would be happy if we sign him.
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Excuse me...but my Beatles parody is much much better than effing R bloody E shitting M......:)
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The Doc
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Can we get it back on topic, please?
Fuck off!
that was by Wayne County .
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Can we get it back on topic, please?
Fuck off!
THREE DAY BAN
Actually, I took a look at VT today and it seems a bit more relaxed over there these days. Some amusing posts going on.
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Excuse me...but my Beatles parody is much much better than effing R bloody E shitting M......:)
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The Doc
the best Parody is Vanessa
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I would be happy if we sign him.
That was only available on the US pressing of New Adventures in Hi-Fi.
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so adeyboyor and berbatov not happening in light of this ?
Adebayor pretty much done.
Berbatov was never really going to happen
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REM - Dead Letter Office is good. Bought it in 96. Their "early" stuff in a collection.
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I'd just bought Automatic for the People from Andy Cash Records, jumped back into my brothers waiting car and the WM klaxons went off, Dalian had scored that goal at Wimbledon.
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I loved Andy Cash Harborne.
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I loved Andy Cash Harborne.
It was Erdington for me, but I share the love. Supplied the Villa too.
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Rudy Gestede.....mmm marvelous!!!
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I loved Andy Cash Harborne.
Sponsored the half time music at VP for years. It was normally played by Dave. That's Dave rather than Dave or Dave, the other people who used to do half times
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Just watched the footage of his goals there. Blimey, he's a unit.
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Vanessa Paradis eh? Love this song.
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The Perfect Circle from Murmur = Best
Auctioneer (Another Engine) from Fables of the Reconstruction = Worst
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Prefer the video. Didn't Lenny Kravitz write it ?
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Prefer the video. Didn't Lenny Kravitz write it ?
I think he rode it for a while.
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Prefer the video. Didn't Lenny Kravitz write it ?
I think he rode it for a while.
Nice work Lenny....:)
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Prefer the video. Didn't Lenny Kravitz write it ?
Yes he did.
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Sounds very St Etienne ish. Who were English but named after a French football team. Kind of a mirror image of AstonVilla. A french band named after an English football team. Which brings us back onto topic. Hang on, not getting this off topic eandering am I?
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Friend of mine was hired to play bass on a Lenny Kravitz album, he went back to the studio to collect something he had forgotten having finished for the evening and walked in on Lenny Kravitz having a lewd sex act (tabloid speak)performed on him by Madonna. It's my favourite showbiz story that sort of involves somebody I know.
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Prefer the video. Didn't Lenny Kravitz write it ?
I think he rode it for a while.
Nice work Lenny....:)
And Lisa Bonet too, lucky sod. I just hope she never had a Cappuccino from Cosby.
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Friend of mine was hired to play bass on a Lenny Kravitz album, he went back to the studio to collect something he had forgotten having finished for the evening and walked in on Lenny Kravitz having a lewd sex act (tabloid speak)performed on him by Madonna. It's my favourite showbiz story that sort of involves somebody I know.
He wrote Madonna's Justify My Love. Who know's, it might be about that very lewd sex act.
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Friend of mine was hired to play bass on a Lenny Kravitz album, he went back to the studio to collect something he had forgotten having finished for the evening and walked in on Lenny Kravitz having a lewd sex act (tabloid speak)performed on him by Madonna. It's my favourite showbiz story that sort of involves somebody I know.
He wrote Madonna's Justify My Love. Who know's, it might be about that very lewd sex act.
Chuck witnessed history in the making! Or rather, tried his hardest not to witness it.
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We've got an entire section for music - can we please get back on topic?
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Prefer the video. Didn't Lenny Kravitz write it ?
I think he rode it for a while.
Nice work Lenny....:)
And Lisa Bonet too, lucky sod. I just hope she never had a Cappuccino from Cosby.
And the Aussies... Nicole Kidman... Natalie Imbruglia... Kylie... Where does he get the time to write and record songs?
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We've got an entire section for music - can we please get back on topic?
The lesser known chocolate from Mars
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We've got an entire section for music - can we please get back on topic?
The lesser known chocolate from Mars
Full of nutty goodness.
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We've got an entire section for music - can we please get back on topic?
The lesser known chocolate from Mars
Twix?
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We've got an entire section for music - can we please get back on topic?
The lesser known chocolate from Mars
Twix?
I always seem to panic buy them at railway stations.
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We've got an entire section for music - can we please get back on topic?
The lesser known chocolate from Mars
Twix?
I always seem to panic buy them at railway stations.
It's chewing gum with me.
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I like the headed goal against Watford they keep showing on SSN, mullered in from 12 yards. Boom!
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Looks bloody good in the air. Got a good feeling about this one...
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I wasn't sure what language they speak in Benin. Guess what it's French! Sacre Bleu Sacre Bleu. As Cilla would say. Rudy should feel at home then!
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We'll need a French language intro song this season. Je Regrette Nien?
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We'll need a French language intro song this season. Je Regrette Nien?
Let me see. Je t'aime moi non plus. All together now.
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Has anyone done a kickstarter for a tricolour yet?
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We've got an entire section for music - can we please get back on topic?
The lesser known chocolate from Mars
Twix?
I always seem to panic buy them at railway stations.
It's chewing gum with me.
Haven't had chewing gum in years, occasionally I'll also panic buy soft mints and then forget I've bought them.
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Has anyone done a kickstarter for a tricolour yet?
Last year we only needed the white part of the French flag
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Hmmm...
Jordan Ayew to the tune of Joe Le Taxi...
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Just watched his goals from last season. Likes a volley, and a genuine beast in the air. I think he is going to be just grand.
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I do think he'll do well with the right service. We're a bit lacking in the wide areas at the moment though and he's going to depend a lot on crosses
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Yeah as I said on the transfer thread I would like to see a winger come in before the deadline now.
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He can bully CB's in the air as well so could be real handful.
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Fuck.
I'm almost looking forward to next season.
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Half of the fun will be trying to realise who is who and hearing Brummie versions of their surnames
"Guess-Ted"
"Hey-you"
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Looked an absolute beast in a couple of Cup games I saw him in last year. Surprised that we have brought him in with Ayew and Adebayor. Adebayor and Gestede are similar types of players, would have thought we would sign one but not both, don't understand the logic there. Not sure Adebayor being backup is a good idea but delighted to have Gestede on board. Late developer it seems but I think he will flourish for us.
To be fair Gestede, Adebayor, Ayew do look a stronger trio than Benteke, Bent and Weimann. Gabby, Kozak and Nzogbia look surplus to requirements now too.
Not sure if it means we will be going with two up top, looks more we would be best suited to 4231.
----Sanchez, Gueye
Ayew, Veretout, Grealish
------Gestede-----
Gil, Westwood, Adebayor, Bacuna, Gabby, Kozak in reserve. We do seem much stronger this season
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I think everything so far points to kozak starting V Bournemouth. The gestede/Adebayor deals not being done and kozak starting and looking good in the recent friendlies.
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I think everything so far points to kozak starting V Bournemouth. The gestede/Adebayor deals not being done and kozak starting and looking good in the recent friendlies.
I hope so, I've put him in my dream team for that match!
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if Gestede's on board he'll play. I hope the other one never gets on board but even if he does he definitely won't play because he isn't fit enough after months out
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if Gestede's on board he'll play. I hope the other one never gets on board but even if he does he definitely won't play because he isn't fit enough after months out
If Kozak carries his impressive form into the Forest game he should start against Bournemouth.A front two of Kozak and Gestede would be most acceptable.Adebayor is a liability with his lack of fitness and that's if he signs.
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if Gestede's on board he'll play. I hope the other one never gets on board but even if he does he definitely won't play because he isn't fit enough after months out
If Kozak carries his impressive form into the Forest game he should start against Bournemouth.A front two of Kozak and Gestede would be most acceptable.Adebayor is a liability with his lack of fitness and that's if he signs.
Gestede and Kozak would lack mobility. Also I think they'd occupy the same spaces and neither would support the midfield.
I hope Sherwood is not using the Sutton/Shearer "SAS" team as his blueprint for his tactics (I think he was CM, so there is a chance...).
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Looked an absolute beast in a couple of Cup games I saw him in last year. Surprised that we have brought him in with Ayew and Adebayor. Adebayor and Gestede are similar types of players, would have thought we would sign one but not both, don't understand the logic there. Not sure Adebayor being backup is a good idea but delighted to have Gestede on board. Late developer it seems but I think he will flourish for us.
To be fair Gestede, Adebayor, Ayew do look a stronger trio than Benteke, Bent and Weimann. Gabby, Kozak and Nzogbia look surplus to requirements now too.
Not sure if it means we will be going with two up top, looks more we would be best suited to 4231.
----Sanchez, Gueye
Ayew, Veretout, Grealish
------Gestede-----
Gil, Westwood, Adebayor, Bacuna, Gabby, Kozak in reserve. We do seem much stronger this season
Personally think Adebayor will start with Gestede coming in here and there.
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Kozak and gestede?
Bloody hell its not notts county cerca 1989!!
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I was referring to Adebayor in my post not Kozak just to be clear
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I really don't see why people are so anti Adebayor joining on loan. It seems like a no lose situation. If it doesn't come off we don't sign him, but if it does come off he'll score a lot of goals.
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Hmmm...
Jordan Ayew to the tune of Joe Le Taxi...
Rudy Can't Fail.
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Well The Lancashire Telegraph think he cleared his locker yesterday and said cheerio to his team mates.
On his way? (http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/rovers/news/13521369.Rudy_Gestede_to_seal___6m_Aston_Villa_switch_____but_Blackburn_Rovers_owners_Venky___s_stand_firm_on_Jordan_Rhodes/?ref=mac)
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Just watched his goals from last season. Likes a volley, and a genuine beast in the air. I think he is going to be just grand.
i didn't quite realize how dominant he is in the air. I suppose it helps being 6'4 but he has a bit of Carew about him.
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There's a pic of Gestede holding the shirt doing the rounds on Twitter. Guess he's signed then.
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There's a pic of Gestede holding the shirt doing the rounds on Twitter. Guess he's signed then.
He might be holding it, but has he stretched yet?
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no holding only but looks very happy to be holding it, the shirt that is, at BMH
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It's definitely being stretched!
https://twitter.com/VillaTill/status/627102000644231168/photo/1
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Now this is a Villa signing, works hard, gets stuck in and dominant in the air. Can see him being popular.
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I reckon the club are waiting for Veretout and Adebayor to tie up their loose ends so that they can put a nice group photo on the OS.
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is this the pic from yesterday you are talking about or a new one?
Edit - Risso has cleared that one up. excellent news.
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Fantastic. Finally someone who can give Sanchez some competition in the hair do stakes.
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he looks a tad like eagle eye cherry with that barnet
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Great news, welcome to Villa Rudy!!
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Oh god, please don't open up for another music based punathon. If we can avoid that, we might just save tonight.
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Is it just me, or does it look like he has a semi in that photo?
Clearly excited to join the Villa!
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I like his hair.
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Oh god, please don't open up for another music based punathon. If we can avoid that, we might just save tonight.
Well, that's exhausted all the Eagle-Eye Cherry songs anybody knows.
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as long as something else happens before the break of dawn i'm happy. BTW I think it's not a semi, just the fact that he dresses upwards, not left or right
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Now this is a Villa signing, works hard, gets stuck in and dominant in the air. Can see him being popular.
Is our tradition being agriculatural and route one? What about sexy football?
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Just had a look at the pic, bloody heck he's the spit of my great nephew Bailey. Except Bailey has bigger hair.
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Oh god, please don't open up for another music based punathon. If we can avoid that, we might just save tonight.
As long as he doesn't throw a strop like that Zimbabwean bloke who used to play for Cov.
Forlorn Ndlovu again...
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Just had a look at the pic, bloody heck he's the spit of my great nephew Bailey. Except Bailey has bigger hair.
I know somebody who has a nephew called Bailey. IIRC he also has big hair. True facts.
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Good signing I think, and the fact that it's not been announced officially yet seems promising too. Pleased with how this summers going.
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Sideshow Rudy
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Now this is a Villa signing, works hard, gets stuck in and dominant in the air. Can see him being popular.
Is our tradition being agriculatural and route one? What about sexy football?
Nowt wrong with getting the ball wide, swinging a cross in for a big man steaming in and seeing the Holte net bulge.
Its when we get the keeper to take a short one to the full back, turn it inside to the the centre back who then shits himself and aimlessly punts it 50 yards in the general direction of a big man that its all a bit dull. Yes Im thinking of you Lambert.
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According to the Meaning Evil, that picture of Gestede was tweeted then removed by a former team mate of his.
Whose name is Gaetan Bong.
We MUST sign this man. What a superb name
(*insert Kevin Phillips Bong reference here*)
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He looks pretty imposing doesn't he! Wouldn't like to be marking him
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I do love how this summer we have really quite efficient in lining up our targets and securing their signatures.
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According to the Meaning Evil, that picture of Gestede was tweeted then removed by a former team mate of his.
Whose name is Gaetan Bong.
We MUST sign this man. What a superb name
(*insert Kevin Phillips Bong reference here*)
I thought that was an anagram of George Boateng for a moment...
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I like his hair.
First thing I thought too.
I think he's going to become my favourite even though he hasn't kicked a ball for us yet. He's big with big hair and he's called Rudy. What's not to like.
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Confirmed I believe
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His 22 goals from last season. Some very good, some flukes, which I would love if he brought some luck with him.
Headers like bullets and some crisp finishes
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Just watched his goals from last season. Likes a volley, and a genuine beast in the air. I think he is going to be just grand.
i didn't quite realize how dominant he is in the air. I suppose it helps being 6'4 but he has a bit of Carew about him.
I hope he doesn't frequent the lapdancing clubs as much as Carew.
Rudy, don't take your love to town.
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Some headers that would make Dion proud.
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His 22 goals from last season. Some very good, some flukes, which I would love if he brought some luck with him.
Headers like bullets and some crisp finishes
He does like a ball whipped in from the left side. Good job weve got Charles N'Zogbia to provide the ammunition eh?
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Seen a stat on SSN earlier showing that he's scored twice as many headers last season than Benteke did. If we can improve the supply in I'm sure he'll get plenty for us.
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The mysterious insider
(http://i.imgur.com/6DMF6jYl.jpg)
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I usually wait until it's officially announced but, in this case; welcome Rudy, make the most of this opportunity that has been given to you.
Veretout, please hurry up!
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Liking the Sideshow Bob hair.
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Seen a stat on SSN earlier showing that he's scored twice as many headers last season than Benteke did. If we can improve the supply in I'm sure he'll get plenty for us.
Bacuna can deliver. Hopefully Amavi will provide plenty from the left, and we'll get Grealish and Gil pulling wide to deliver balls in too.
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Seen a stat on SSN earlier showing that he's scored twice as many headers last season than Benteke did. If we can improve the supply in I'm sure he'll get plenty for us.
Bacuna can deliver. Hopefully Amavi will provide plenty from the left, and we'll get Grealish and Gil pulling wide to deliver balls in too.
Veretout apparently good from free kicks, right onto Rudy's bonce.
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Seen a stat on SSN earlier showing that he's scored twice as many headers last season than Benteke did. If we can improve the supply in I'm sure he'll get plenty for us.
Bacuna can deliver. Hopefully Amavi will provide plenty from the left, and we'll get Grealish and Gil pulling wide to deliver balls in too.
Veretout apparently good from free kicks, right onto Rudy's bonce.
How many goals did we score where Carew would glance it into the far corner from an Ashley Young free kick?
Oh to dream!
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Its on the official site now.
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That picture looks a bit iffy to me. Why would he be in full kit and tracksuit for a signing?
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Confirmed!! http://bit.ly/1DVJl2e
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Done: http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~4901306,00.html
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And on SSN.
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That picture looks a bit iffy to me. Why would he be in full kit and tracksuit for a signing?
Perhaps he was cold.
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Get in. What a day. England smash the Aussies. Villa bag two!! Great day.
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That picture looks a bit iffy to me. Why would he be in full kit and tracksuit for a signing?
He'll have to wear it sooner or later. Maybe he wore it for the medical?
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Does anyone else think he looks like Stylax from Plebs??
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Welcome aboard big bad Rude!! What a great day.
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Looks like the bloke from The IT crowd.
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What a brilliant day we make two class signings and The Colonials get their asses whipped at Edgbaston.
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Excellent stuff - I really like the way Gestede plays, so hopeful he'll get plenty of goals this season.
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Welcome Rudy you big bugger, you will fit in nicely here.
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Does anyone else think he looks like Stylax from Plebs??
(http://www.skymedia.co.uk/_masthead_images/Trollied_2.jpg)
any trollied fans in?
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Pleased with this, I think he will do very well for us. Nine new players, wow!
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Pleased with this. He's a good age. He gives us a good focal point. He seems to be a good finisher, and also extremely good in the air.
I wonder whether Adebayor is still coming in? In all honesty I'd like to see more of Kozak. I would fancy Kozak, Ayew and Gestede to provide a good wedge of goals.
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much rather Kozak was given a chance than adebayor
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much rather Kozak was given a chance than adebayor
So would I!
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Very happy with this. Welcome Rudy.
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A message to you Rudy.
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Welcome Rudy!
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Does anyone else think he looks like Stylax from Plebs??
He looks more like Hizdahr zo Loraq from Game of Thrones.
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Does anyone else think he looks like Stylax from Plebs??
He looks more like Hizdahr zo Loraq from Game of Thrones.
Both played by the same actor (Joel Fry)
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Does anyone else think he looks like Stylax from Plebs??
He looks more like Hizdahr zo Loraq from Game of Thrones.
Both played by the same actor (Joel Fry)
I know (that was the joke) ;)
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Black people always gotta look like somebody.*
*kisses teeth.
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A message to you Rudy.
Rudie can't fail
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Black people always gotta look like somebody.*
*kisses teeth.
Ha! Easy now.
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Welcome to Villa, Rude Boy!
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Welcome to Villa Park Rudy.
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Welcome to Villa Rudy, I have a message to you Rudy and that's get some goals.
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Black people always gotta look like somebody.*
*kisses teeth.
It's not just black people, look at the number of 'guys with beards' that Crespo is apparently the spitting image of. Worse still someone compared Veretout to Craig Gardner, that's just a kick in the balls for our new signing.
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Person in people look like other people shocker.
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My mate is a Rovers fan and he is gutted and says we have a hell of a player, I suppose he would say that, but I was really impressed when Rovers played at Anfield last year, he looks a handful.
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Welcome to Villa Park Rudy.
Well said Darren. I am also happy about this. How do you feel about Adebayor? I hope he stays where he is.
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I reckon he'll reach double figures this season.
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This is the player I am most excited about, I really think he will be our best buy.
Can see him hurting some teams and scoring for fun.
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I reckon he'll be a raving success and we'll watch on with glee whilst Liverpool turn Benteke into a square peg.
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Cracking stuff. We're doing some really good business this summer!
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It would be pretty funny if when we play Liverpool, they can't get him into the game because of a conflict of styles while they can't handle Gestede and we run over them.
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Has anyone stuck this slice of Jameson-love up yet?
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He reminds me of Zack De La Rocha of "Rage Against The Machine" fame
(http://www.musicfanclubs.org/rage/pictures/live/4.jpg)
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We like big number 9's who can terrorise opposition centre halves and rough them up a bit.
This guy looks like he should be able to deliver on that front.
I am a wee bit concerned that he's 26 (27 in October) and moved as recently as January 2014 for £200k. Not a veteran, but he's hardly a promising young player either.
That said, some players do develop later than others.
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We like big number 9's who can terrorise opposition centre halves and rough them up a bit.
This guy looks like he should be able to deliver on that front.
I am a wee bit concerned that he's 26 (27 in October) and moved as recently as January 2014 for £200k. Not a veteran, but he's hardly a promising young player either.
That said, some players do develop later than others.
Cant think of any?
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We like big number 9's who can terrorise opposition centre halves and rough them up a bit.
This guy looks like he should be able to deliver on that front.
I am a wee bit concerned that he's 26 (27 in October) and moved as recently as January 2014 for £200k. Not a veteran, but he's hardly a promising young player either.
That said, some players do develop later than others.
Cant think of any?
Peter Withe was a bit of a journeyman when he went to Forest and was a spent force according to many when Villa bought him from Newcastle.
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Has anyone stuck this slice of Jameson-love up yet?
Hope this one proves to be right.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=tU1stt0okdM
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We like big number 9's who can terrorise opposition centre halves and rough them up a bit.
This guy looks like he should be able to deliver on that front.
I am a wee bit concerned that he's 26 (27 in October) and moved as recently as January 2014 for £200k. Not a veteran, but he's hardly a promising young player either.
That said, some players do develop later than others.
Cant think of any?
Luca Toni being the obvious one that springs too mind.
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Paul McGrath went from good to great in his thirties.
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We like big number 9's who can terrorise opposition centre halves and rough them up a bit.
This guy looks like he should be able to deliver on that front.
I am a wee bit concerned that he's 26 (27 in October) and moved as recently as January 2014 for £200k. Not a veteran, but he's hardly a promising young player either.
That said, some players do develop later than others.
Cant think of any?
Luca Toni being the obvious one that springs too mind.
Didier Drogba was in his mid-20s before he played outside of the French second division.
I used to roll that fact out when patiently explaining to people that Nathan Delfouneso WAS going to be the next great Premier League striker.
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We like big number 9's who can terrorise opposition centre halves and rough them up a bit.
This guy looks like he should be able to deliver on that front.
I am a wee bit concerned that he's 26 (27 in October) and moved as recently as January 2014 for £200k. Not a veteran, but he's hardly a promising young player either.
That said, some players do develop later than others.
Cant think of any?
Luca Toni being the obvious one that springs too mind.
Rickie Lambert
*snigger*
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We like big number 9's who can terrorise opposition centre halves and rough them up a bit.
This guy looks like he should be able to deliver on that front.
I am a wee bit concerned that he's 26 (27 in October) and moved as recently as January 2014 for £200k. Not a veteran, but he's hardly a promising young player either.
That said, some players do develop later than others.
Cant think of any?
Luca Toni being the obvious one that springs too mind.
Didier Drogba was in his mid-20s before he played outside of the French second division.
I used to roll that fact out when patiently explaining to people that Nathan Delfounso WAS going to be the next great Premier League striker.
He's only twenty-four. Still time...
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We like big number 9's who can terrorise opposition centre halves and rough them up a bit.
This guy looks like he should be able to deliver on that front.
I am a wee bit concerned that he's 26 (27 in October) and moved as recently as January 2014 for £200k. Not a veteran, but he's hardly a promising young player either.
That said, some players do develop later than others.
Cant think of any?
Luca Toni being the obvious one that springs too mind.
Rickie Lambert
*snigger*
they'll be creaming in their coffees tonight because their new hero Rickie scored twice vs Bristol Rovers
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I actually think he'll do okay for Albion.
Better than Ideye, anyhow.
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I'd agree with that.
That said if Berahino leaves there's Sunday league teams with more pace in the team than WBA.
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Welcome! Scored some good goals,Plus just watched him bang a hat trick at the sty, can't be bad
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It occurs to me that Gestede played very well last season alongside Jordan Rhodes. He'll be happy to hear we have several more Jordan's to help him settle in at his new club.
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He's weirdly agile in a clumsy way for being a big bloke. I know what that's like so I hope to see him effective at prem level.
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We like big number 9's who can terrorise opposition centre halves and rough them up a bit.
This guy looks like he should be able to deliver on that front.
I am a wee bit concerned that he's 26 (27 in October) and moved as recently as January 2014 for £200k. Not a veteran, but he's hardly a promising young player either.
That said, some players do develop later than others.
Cant think of any?
Peter Withe was a bit of a journeyman when he went to Forest and was a spent force according to many when Villa bought him from Newcastle.
stuart pearce
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Welcome Rudy.
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We like big number 9's who can terrorise opposition centre halves and rough them up a bit.
This guy looks like he should be able to deliver on that front.
I am a wee bit concerned that he's 26 (27 in October) and moved as recently as January 2014 for £200k. Not a veteran, but he's hardly a promising young player either.
That said, some players do develop later than others.
Cant think of any?
Peter Withe was a bit of a journeyman when he went to Forest and was a spent force according to many when Villa bought him from Newcastle.
stuart pearce
Yep, it will be more rare now when you hear stories of clubs getting 9 year olds on contracts etc.
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Clearly he can score and cause mayhem from crosses but what's his general play like?
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When you start asking questions like that about centre forwards, you'll find yourself signing Emile Heskey.
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I'm generally not a fan of big centre forwards, but I think this could turn out to be a very good signing. I like the way he attacks the ball in the air rather than just relying on his size advantage.
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Ian Wright didn't too bad once he left the building sites in his twenties.
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Gestede looks a decent player but his success looks like it will be dependent on the quality of balls into the box...from what I've seen, Amavi has got a good cross on him so if Veretout can deliver from the right then theres going to be goals. I can see him Gestede and Ayew developing a partnership and becoming first choice up front.
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Also roger Miller of Cameroon didn't come good till his mid forties
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Also roger Miller of Cameroon didn't come good till his mid forties
Ha ha, brilliant.
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Gestede looks a decent player but his success looks like it will be dependent on the quality of balls into the box...from what I've seen, Amavi has got a good cross on him so if Veretout can deliver from the right then theres going to be goals. I can see him Gestede and Ayew developing a partnership and becoming first choice up front.
Shame Albrighton is no longer with us
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and Tim can't even have option to use him :(
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Gestede looks a decent player but his success looks like it will be dependent on the quality of balls into the box...from what I've seen, Amavi has got a good cross on him so if Veretout can deliver from the right then theres going to be goals. I can see him Gestede and Ayew developing a partnership and becoming first choice up front.
Shame Albrighton is no longer with us
Both Marc and ourselves move on...
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Gestede looks a decent player but his success looks like it will be dependent on the quality of balls into the box...from what I've seen, Amavi has got a good cross on him so if Veretout can deliver from the right then theres going to be goals. I can see him Gestede and Ayew developing a partnership and becoming first choice up front.
Shame Albrighton is no longer with us
Do you really think Albrighton is starting PL quality and an upgrade on what we have? He barely got a look in with Leicester. It's not a shame at all he's not with us because he is a Championship level player and a back up at best in the PL.
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Gestede looks a decent player but his success looks like it will be dependent on the quality of balls into the box...from what I've seen, Amavi has got a good cross on him so if Veretout can deliver from the right then theres going to be goals. I can see him Gestede and Ayew developing a partnership and becoming first choice up front.
Shame Albrighton is no longer with us
Do you really think Albrighton is starting PL quality and an upgrade on what we have? He barely got a look in with Leicester. It's not a shame at all he's not with us because he is a Championship level player and a back up at best in the PL.
I don't necessarily agree. Villas development has been so dreadful for the past 10 years. Look at the talent that has slipped through our fingers... Albrighton being one of the better..
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Gestede looks a decent player but his success looks like it will be dependent on the quality of balls into the box...from what I've seen, Amavi has got a good cross on him so if Veretout can deliver from the right then theres going to be goals. I can see him Gestede and Ayew developing a partnership and becoming first choice up front.
Shame Albrighton is no longer with us
Do you really think Albrighton is starting PL quality and an upgrade on what we have? He barely got a look in with Leicester. It's not a shame at all he's not with us because he is a Championship level player and a back up at best in the PL.
I don't necessarily agree. Villas development has been so dreadful for the past 10 years. Look at the talent that has slipped through our fingers... Albrighton being one of the better..
What players have we let go in the last ten years who are at an equivalent or higher level now?
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Gary Cahill.
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Gestede looks a decent player but his success looks like it will be dependent on the quality of balls into the box...from what I've seen, Amavi has got a good cross on him so if Veretout can deliver from the right then theres going to be goals. I can see him Gestede and Ayew developing a partnership and becoming first choice up front.
Shame Albrighton is no longer with us
Do you really think Albrighton is starting PL quality and an upgrade on what we have? He barely got a look in with Leicester. It's not a shame at all he's not with us because he is a Championship level player and a back up at best in the PL.
I don't necessarily agree. Villas development has been so dreadful for the past 10 years. Look at the talent that has slipped through our fingers... Albrighton being one of the better..
What players have we let go in the last ten years who are at an equivalent or higher level now?
That's exactly my point. Apart from Cahill the bringing through of talent has been dreadful. What do we do to develop them so badly?
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For a start, we've been reluctant to let them go out on loan so they've hung around the reserves too long.
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I agree. We had the best academy in the land at one point. There were articles in the broadsheets comparing our to Barcelona's. What the hell went wrong? Look at Siuthampton's. the model for the current era.
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I don't think it was ever that good, but we should have done better with what it produced.
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I don't think it was ever that good, but we should have done better with what it produced.
But it could have been the best in the land...
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Our biggest problem is we've had the wrong focus, we've produced very good academy teams but not very good players. On top of that we've also failed badly in the 'transition' period with players either not progressing or stalling and then going backwards. I'd put it down to a difference in style between the academy and the first team (which is a board level problem because we've not had anyone in there with that focus until this summer) but also to poor first team coaching. Look at all the managers under Randy and the only one before Sherwood who looked like training was important was Houllier and him trying to get the players to care led to a revolt. If the first team coaching consists of very little skills coaching you're going to see players go backwards, which has become a bit of a trademark for us, throw academy players into that from a fairly skills intense regime they're used to and you'll see them repeatedly fall off the cliff.
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I agree with all the above. I'm interested to see how the next lot turn out because we appear to be getting on the right track now. We've got a manager who came from a background of working in a successful youth set-up and knows the age groups well, we appear to be building a decent squad that should allow us to loan more young players out, we have some promising young players and they will have confidence that they will get opportunities now.
Hopefully there's an overall plan that all age groups will work towards and make the club work in the same directions rather than being very fragmented.
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We did ok. Cahill and Steven Davis in particular were sold when they both would have added oodles over the last few years.
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Gary Cahill, Craig Gardner, Mark Albrighton, Barry Bannan, Gabby Agbonlahor, Steven Davis, Gareth Barry, Ciaran Clark, Nathan Baker, Jack Grealish, Callum Robinson, Gary Gardner and Boaz Myhill are all players making a living as part of a Premier League squad.
Add to that former England striker Darius Vassell, former Germany international Thomas Hitzlsperger and Championship players Andreas Weimann, Eric Lichaj, Jonathan Hogg and Peter Whittingham, are there many academies that boast a much better record?
No, there isn't a Bale or a Rooney amongst them, but if we ring-fence Everton, Southampton and let's generously go with Man Utd over the same time period are there any other academies who have a better record of producing players?
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Gary Cahill, Craig Gardner, Mark Albrighton, Barry Bannan, Gabby Agbonlahor, Steven Davis, Gareth Barry, Ciaran Clark, Nathan Baker, Jack Grealish, Callum Robinson, Gary Gardner and Boaz Myhill are all players making a living as part of a Premier League squad.
Add to that former England striker Darius Vassell, former Germany international Thomas Hitzlsperger and Championship players Andreas Weimann, Eric Lichaj, Jonathan Hogg and Peter Whittingham, are there many academies that boast a much better record?
No, there isn't a Bale or a Rooney amongst them, but if we ring-fence Everton, Southampton and let's generously go with Man Utd over the same time period are there any other academies who have a better record of producing players?
The point is though, how many of those have had a profound effect on our own performances, Barry (who is a tough sell seeing as he was 17 when he joined us) and Gabby aside Clark is probably the best of the bunch in terms of games played for us but a fair few people have written him off at various times over the last couple of years.
Too many of our youngsters have had to leave us to become the players that they promised to be. I think Weimann will be the next who ends up looking better for a few months of decent coaching.
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Gary Cahill, Craig Gardner, Mark Albrighton, Barry Bannan, Gabby Agbonlahor, Steven Davis, Gareth Barry, Ciaran Clark, Nathan Baker, Jack Grealish, Callum Robinson, Gary Gardner and Boaz Myhill are all players making a living as part of a Premier League squad.
Add to that former England striker Darius Vassell, former Germany international Thomas Hitzlsperger and Championship players Andreas Weimann, Eric Lichaj, Jonathan Hogg and Peter Whittingham, are there many academies that boast a much better record?
No, there isn't a Bale or a Rooney amongst them, but if we ring-fence Everton, Southampton and let's generously go with Man Utd over the same time period are there any other academies who have a better record of producing players?
I think the Westham academy can be added to that list with their successes - John Terry, Glen Johnson, Rio Ferdinand, Frank Lampard, Joe Cole, Jermain Defoe, Michael Carrick, Mark Noble? Pretty sure there will be quite a few more too.
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John Terry?
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John terry was at West Ham before chelski
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Amavi & Veretout look like they can put some tasty crosses in to the box. Rudy looks like he could be banging them in for fun. Happy days.
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What age did he go to Chelsea at? I never knew he swapped over.
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What age did he go to Chelsea at? I never knew he swapped over.
14. Once he shagged the managers wife there was no coming back for him.
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Did somebody above really say we once had the best academy in the world?
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Gary Cahill, Craig Gardner, Mark Albrighton, Barry Bannan, Gabby Agbonlahor, Steven Davis, Gareth Barry, Ciaran Clark, Nathan Baker, Jack Grealish, Callum Robinson, Gary Gardner and Boaz Myhill are all players making a living as part of a Premier League squad.
Add to that former England striker Darius Vassell, former Germany international Thomas Hitzlsperger and Championship players Andreas Weimann, Eric Lichaj, Jonathan Hogg and Peter Whittingham, are there many academies that boast a much better record?
No, there isn't a Bale or a Rooney amongst them, but if we ring-fence Everton, Southampton and let's generously go with Man Utd over the same time period are there any other academies who have a better record of producing players?
You could count Daniel sturridge
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I think Crew is still worth a nod when discussing youth set ups even when you take points away for Robbie Savage.
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Gary Cahill, Craig Gardner, Mark Albrighton, Barry Bannan, Gabby Agbonlahor, Steven Davis, Gareth Barry, Ciaran Clark, Nathan Baker, Jack Grealish, Callum Robinson, Gary Gardner and Boaz Myhill are all players making a living as part of a Premier League squad.
Add to that former England striker Darius Vassell, former Germany international Thomas Hitzlsperger and Championship players Andreas Weimann, Eric Lichaj, Jonathan Hogg and Peter Whittingham, are there many academies that boast a much better record?
No, there isn't a Bale or a Rooney amongst them, but if we ring-fence Everton, Southampton and let's generously go with Man Utd over the same time period are there any other academies who have a better record of producing players?
You could count Daniel sturridge
You can.
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We like big number 9's who can terrorise opposition centre halves and rough them up a bit.
This guy looks like he should be able to deliver on that front.
I am a wee bit concerned that he's 26 (27 in October) and moved as recently as January 2014 for £200k. Not a veteran, but he's hardly a promising young player either.
That said, some players do develop later than others.
Cant think of any?
Peter Withe was a bit of a journeyman when he went to Forest and was a spent force according to many when Villa bought him from Newcastle.
stuart pearce
Yep, it will be more rare now when you hear stories of clubs getting 9 year olds on contracts etc.
We do that.
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I think Crew is still worth a nod when discussing youth set ups even when you take points away for Robbie Savage.
I didn't know that Columbus of MLS had much of a youth setup
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I think Crew is still worth a nod when discussing youth set ups even when you take points away for Robbie Savage.
Savage was part if the ManUre youth set which included Beckham, Scholes etc. and ended up at Crewe when they let him go - a bit like David Platt. The same happened with Neil Lennon but it was Citeh who let him go.
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Our biggest problem is we've had the wrong focus, we've produced very good academy teams but not very good players. On top of that we've also failed badly in the 'transition' period with players either not progressing or stalling and then going backwards. I'd put it down to a difference in style between the academy and the first team (which is a board level problem because we've not had anyone in there with that focus until this summer) but also to poor first team coaching. Look at all the managers under Randy and the only one before Sherwood who looked like training was important was Houllier and him trying to get the players to care led to a revolt. If the first team coaching consists of very little skills coaching you're going to see players go backwards, which has become a bit of a trademark for us, throw academy players into that from a fairly skills intense regime they're used to and you'll see them repeatedly fall off the cliff.
Agree with that and this is where my argument for B teams in the 4th tier comes in. It helps us as a club, it also helps the player, and also helps the national side.
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Gary Cahill, Craig Gardner, Mark Albrighton, Barry Bannan, Gabby Agbonlahor, Steven Davis, Gareth Barry, Ciaran Clark, Nathan Baker, Jack Grealish, Callum Robinson, Gary Gardner and Boaz Myhill are all players making a living as part of a Premier League squad.
Add to that former England striker Darius Vassell, former Germany international Thomas Hitzlsperger and Championship players Andreas Weimann, Eric Lichaj, Jonathan Hogg and Peter Whittingham, are there many academies that boast a much better record?
No, there isn't a Bale or a Rooney amongst them, but if we ring-fence Everton, Southampton and let's generously go with Man Utd over the same time period are there any other academies who have a better record of producing players?
Leeds.
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Our biggest problem is we've had the wrong focus, we've produced very good academy teams but not very good players. On top of that we've also failed badly in the 'transition' period with players either not progressing or stalling and then going backwards. I'd put it down to a difference in style between the academy and the first team (which is a board level problem because we've not had anyone in there with that focus until this summer) but also to poor first team coaching. Look at all the managers under Randy and the only one before Sherwood who looked like training was important was Houllier and him trying to get the players to care led to a revolt. If the first team coaching consists of very little skills coaching you're going to see players go backwards, which has become a bit of a trademark for us, throw academy players into that from a fairly skills intense regime they're used to and you'll see them repeatedly fall off the cliff.
Spot on, we always seem to do well in youth cups as a team but we never seems to produce any genuine top notch individual players. We've never produced anyone of the calibre of , for example, Rooney, Owen, Gascoigne, or Bale.
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I think Crew is still worth a nod when discussing youth set ups even when you take points away for Robbie Savage.
I didn't know that Columbus of MLS had much of a youth setup
I think he was referring to the Rock Steady Crew.
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I think Crew is still worth a nod when discussing youth set ups even when you take points away for Robbie Savage.
I didn't know that Columbus of MLS had much of a youth setup
I think he was referring to the Rock Steady Crew.
Hey you!
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I think Crew is still worth a nod when discussing youth set ups even when you take points away for Robbie Savage.
I didn't know that Columbus of MLS had much of a youth setup
I think he was referring to the Rock Steady Crew.
Hey you!
Ayew!
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I think Crew is still worth a nod when discussing youth set ups even when you take points away for Robbie Savage.
I didn't know that Columbus of MLS had much of a youth setup
I think he was referring to the Rock Steady Crew.
Hey you!
Ayew!
Ayew, the Gestede crew
Show em Veretout
Make a break, make a move
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I think Crew is still worth a nod when discussing youth set ups even when you take points away for Robbie Savage.
I didn't know that Columbus of MLS had much of a youth setup
I think he was referring to the Rock Steady Crew.
Hey you!
Ayew!
Ayew, the Gestede crew
Show em Veretout
Make a break, make a move
:clap:
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I think Crew is still worth a nod when discussing youth set ups even when you take points away for Robbie Savage.
I didn't know that Columbus of MLS had much of a youth setup
I think he was referring to the Rock Steady Crew.
Hey you!
Ayew!
Ayew, the Gestede crew
Show em Veretout
Make a break, make a move
:clap:
:brap:brap:
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The fucker nicked the first line off me from last week!
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I asked a Blackburn supporting mate for his views on Rudy last week and he's just emailed back. Should add that this guy is not the most knowledgeable supporter and generally embittered about the sad state of his team, hence his hilarious playing in the championship comment, so I take it with a pinch of salt, but in case of interest this is what he said:
"I am not sure about Rudy Gestede in the prem.
He signed from Cardiff for Blackburn without any great expectations (not big money) and then he suddenly had a big season last year. He’s mid-late 20s I think so not the sort who you would expect to improve greatly from where he is. Good in the air. Will be a good asset in the Championship if you get relegated next year! Not too gutted to see him go, if I am honest, but I hope he sticks a few in the net for you next year. I would like to see Sherwood make a success of things at Villa."
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cheeky cnut
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I did a little video
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Look how creative you become when you are happy Riss
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I did a little video
;D 8)
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Look how creative you become when you are happy Riss
Oh yes indeed! Off for a curry with my mate later who's a Blackburn fan. I shall buy him a beer or two as a thank you for Gestede!
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Look how creative you become when you are happy Riss
Oh yes indeed! Off for a curry with my mate later who's a Blackburn fan. I shall buy him a beer or two as a thank you for Gestede!
Have a good night mate. I'm off to watch Toronto FC. See if I can have a word with Giovinco to come to Villa!
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CONFIRMED.
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Having Gestede in the side leads me to believe that Sherwood will push for another winger to be bought before the window shuts. Dominant in the air and some nice touches, play to his strengths get the ball in the box.
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He's gonna be a star at the Villa I just know it!
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I think amavi will set him up for a few
Bacuna isn't a consistent crosser but he does get a fair few assists
Agree a really good winger would be good
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He could conceivably be better in the top flight than the Championship. The defenders in the top flight are largely primed to be bullied. I think if anything, Gestede could have more Aerial joy than Benteke. CB was immense in the air...when he felt like it. There just seemed a lot of times when he didn't quite have that spring in his jump. It's so paramount to Gestedes game though, that I feel like he'll always be 100% committed when he goes in for aerial challenges. I can see him hitting 10-15 goals if he becomes a regular. He's so good in the air and it's a dying art. With the exception of a few slightly more old school center-halves, I think Gestede could possibly have a field day. It'll be dependant on how teams deal with our service and how we can adapt to defensive game plans to limit the service to Rudy.
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I thought he was very good - worked hard, held the ball well, played a couple of very nice passes and really fucked the ball into the goal with his head. Good start.
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I thought he was very good - worked hard, held the ball well, played a couple of very nice passes and really fucked the ball into the goal with his head. Good start.
I do miss the days when front men used to fuck the ball into the goal with their heads. Dion was very good at that.
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Rudy looks genuinely happy to be here, which didn't really come across with his predecessor.
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He'll reach double figures this season.
Saw this on twitter, Rudy up for the header!
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CL5kkiyWcAAI4OV.jpg)
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Just seen the goal. Terrific header! Can't wait for Next Friday!
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I am genuinely excited by this bloke. His first touch was a superb pass inside the full back to Gabby and his general touch and hold up play was superb. Think he can be a top player for us. Loved him clapping the fans as he came on as well, Blackburn fans seem really positive of him
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Instant cult hero.
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He's not going to be a Benteke, but he could easily be a Carew. And for where we are right now, that's more than good enough.
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Loved the way he took the goal, just barged the fuck through a crowded area and got his bonce on it, there was no way anyone was going to stop him getting to it.
Looks very Carew to me.
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Seems quite level headed too.
Could be a great signing.
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Loved the way he took the goal, just barged the fuck through a crowded area and got his bonce on it, there was no way anyone was going to stop him getting to it.
Looks very Carew to me.
Looks very 'the opposition every other week for the past five years' to me.
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He's not going to be a Benteke, but he could easily be a Carew. And for where we are right now, that's more than good enough.
As much as I liked Carew, Rudy looks like a player who will thrive with us and possibly move on to better things, not the other way
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His job is to be an option. I think we have to get into a mindset where we don't have an ideal eleven which will start regardless, but a team where everyone has a chance of playing in every position in the team. Rudy's shown his qualities and it's up to Tim (the increasingly endearing Tim, I might add) to decide how that works against our opponents and against other players in the squad. We won't replace Benteke with one player, realistically, so we have to replace him with a whole bunch, and Gestede's particular brand of ruthless goal-tanking is definitely a good option.
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Gestede is 26. I think he's found the right club to be at. The goal was ace but he'll be used in specific situations and games. It's great to have options and Ayew will develop too once he gets up to speed.
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Gestede is 26. I think he's found the right club to be at. The goal was ace but he'll be used in specific situations and games. It's great to have options and Ayew will develop too once he gets up to speed.
I don't think that is necessarily the case. If he's not the regular option up front, who will be?
On what we have at the moment, he's certainly in with a chance of being it.
Talking of which, is Kozak injured? Not even on the bench.
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We'll see but I think we will see a variety of systems, both lone striker and partnerships. With Grealish and Gil also to come in I can see us playing wingers in certain games or 4-3-2-1 in others. There's also 4-3-3 like today. Point being at the beginning anyway I think Sherwood will mix and match a bit.
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I thought he was very good - worked hard, held the ball well, played a couple of very nice passes and really fucked the ball into the goal with his head. Good start.
He vaccinated it. The defenders will feel like they let the tortoise get away.
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Gestede is 26. I think he's found the right club to be at. The goal was ace but he'll be used in specific situations and games. It's great to have options and Ayew will develop too once he gets up to speed.
What specific situations and games would you suggest?
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Gestede is 26. I think he's found the right club to be at. The goal was ace but he'll be used in specific situations and games. It's great to have options and Ayew will develop too once he gets up to speed.
What specific situations and games would you suggest?
All I'm saying is the reason we have a squad is that players can be rotated. Some will off course become fixtures. It is way too early in the season to determine which players with the exception of maybe 3 or 4 will become regulars. There's going to be a lot of change and especially up front. It's great that Gestede has got off to this start but let's see how it goes. This is the PL and we will play tougher sides who will adapt. They'll know how to mark Gestede or at least plan for him. It is no doubt exciting that he scored today but there's a long way to go. Hopefully he'll bury another one on Friday night vs Man U.
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Just seen the goal. Terrific header! Can't wait for Next Friday!
You called it and I'm bang with you. He's gonna be a star for us.
He's a proper Villa centre forward.
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I think he will be a starter. We need to hold it up and bring people in, and win headers and flick ons. It is his game we play too. I think we will sign another striker and let Kozak out on loan before the month is out, but Rudy will be the one with the shirt.
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Really hope he's fit enough for Friday. Gestede and gabby against blind and smalling has definite potential.
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All Rudy can do and in fact must do is keep scoring goals then he makes Tim's job very easy, if I am not mistaken he was only on for about 12 minutes when he scored, not a bad way to start and if he does not know, he will do very shortly, goal scoring centre forwards at the Villa are treated just a wee bit differently.
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Really hope he's fit enough for Friday. Gestede and gabby against blind and smalling has definite potential.
It does but I think we will be playing this years champions on Friday. Very very tough game.
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Really hope he's fit enough for Friday. Gestede and gabby against blind and smalling has definite potential.
It does but I think we will be playing this years champions on Friday. Very very tough game.
Well they were pretty pish against Spurs. I only recall 1 Ashley Young shot on target. Spurs should have had at least a draw. Of course that doesn't mean they won't turn it on as usual against us though.
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Really hope he's fit enough for Friday. Gestede and gabby against blind and smalling has definite potential.
It does but I think we will be playing this years champions on Friday. Very very tough game.
I don't think that they'll be anywhere near.
Them, their neighbours and the other lot in red from up the road to fight it out for 4th would be my guess.
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Really hope he's fit enough for Friday. Gestede and gabby against blind and smalling has definite potential.
It does but I think we will be playing this years champions on Friday. Very very tough game.
Chris Smalling and Daley Blind is in no way a title-winning central defence.
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Really hope he's fit enough for Friday. Gestede and gabby against blind and smalling has definite potential.
It does but I think we will be playing this years champions on Friday. Very very tough game.
Chris Smalling and Daley Blind is in no way a title-winning central defence.
It amazes me that van Gaal apparently can't see how weak their defence is, certainly compared to their top 4 rivals.
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Really hope he's fit enough for Friday. Gestede and gabby against blind and smalling has definite potential.
It does but I think we will be playing this years champions on Friday. Very very tough game.
Chris Smalling and Daley Blind is in no way a title-winning central defence.
It amazes me that van Gaal apparently can't see how weak their defence is, certainly compared to their top 4 rivals.
It says something when you wouldn't even think about swapping Arsenal's pairing for them when you take into account how dodgy Mertesacker is.
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I had no idea what to expect from him other than him being a big unit. But he looked like he could be a very good centre forward. Held it up well, played a couple of good incisive passes and instantly gave us more presence in their box, which gave our wide players more confidence to put the ball in.
And the goal, you can just tell that he has the physicality and as important the mentality that when the ball is there to be won he's going to attack and win it. And when it's like the ball in for the goal, and he has the run on the defender, who's going to stop him?
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If he is as good as he looked yesterday and considering his goal scoring record at Blackburn, how the hell did we get him for such a reasonable price ? He could end up being a superb signing.
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I hope that someone tells Gestede before Friday that the record for Smalling - which was set by Gestede's predecessor - is somewhere near Saltley.
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Aaaah, Saltley. Forever in my mind after the battle of the Gasworks, mid 70's sometime.
Sorry. As you were.
Go Gestede!
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Really hope he's fit enough for Friday. Gestede and gabby against blind and smalling has definite potential.
It does but I think we will be playing this years champions on Friday. Very very tough game.
Chris Smalling and Daley Blind is in no way a title-winning central defence.
Nope. Since day one the biggest weakness has been the one that LVG has failed to address.
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I've been hopeless in my predictions already this season so I hesitate to say it, but I do fancy us a bit v Man U
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It was not dissimilar to the Benteke cameo against Swansea. I havent seen enough to say whether he can play like that consistently enough. But, if he can, he will be a very popular chap round these parts.
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I've been hopeless in my predictions already this season so I hesitate to say it, but I do fancy us a bit v Man U
I think we all have Matt, very few games went to what we would have predicted to be 'form' this weekend
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Gestede...
Christian Benteke is far away...
Rudy Gestede is here to stay...
Oh I believe in Gestede...
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And looks like Westwood can hit a flatter corner rather than just lofting them to the back post. If it suits Rudy that way I'm also of the opinion that Clark and Richards will get a few off them as defenders are sacked to Gestede if he gets a few more from set pieces.
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Gestede...
Christian Benteke is far away...
Rudy Gestede is here to stay...
Oh I believe in Gestede...
Suddenly, Benteke's not half the beast he used to be
The release clause is still bugging me
Oh, Gestede came suddenly.
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sadly the Beast will be scoring for fun once he gets fully integrated into the team.
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Gestede...
Christian Benteke is far away...
Rudy Gestede is here to stay...
Oh I believe in Gestede...
Suddenly, Benteke's not half the beast he used to be
The release clause is still bugging me
Oh, Gestede came suddenly.
Why he had to go we don't know, we are not sure.
And why didn't Citeh bid to start a bidding war?
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sadly the Beast will be scoring for fun once he gets fully integrated into the team.
Gestede looks a good player to me.
The beast is dead, long live the beast.
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sadly the Beast will be scoring for fun once he gets fully integrated into the team.
Gestede looks a good player to me.
The beast is dead, long live the beast.
"Beast Benteke is dead boys, beast Benteke is dead
Beast Gestede is best boys, beast Gestede is best
Shag a Wallaby"
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is that the naughty re-write of we're going to the zoo tomorrow?
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Can't wait for Gestede vs Blind!
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Can't wait for Gestede vs Blind!
Me too. Just need to get him service. Amavi should be able to get fwd if mata is up against him
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Gestede...
Christian Benteke is far away...
Rudy Gestede is here to stay...
Oh I believe in Gestede...
Suddenly, Benteke's not half the beast he used to be
The release clause is still bugging me
Oh, Gestede came suddenly.
Why he had to go we don't know, we are not sure.
And why didn't Citeh bid to start a bidding war?
release clause, takes away the need of bidding wars,
comes down to who wants the player more,
with wages and benefits coming to the fore,
oh I really hate that release clause
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what about imagining Benteke himself singing these lines 'Suddenly, I'm not half the man I used to be, now there's a shadow hanging over me, oh I believe in yesterday'. The yesterday being Villa
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Gestede...
Christian Benteke is far away...
Rudy Gestede is here to stay...
Oh I believe in Gestede...
Perfect.
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what about imagining Benteke himself singing these lines 'Suddenly, I'm not half the man I used to be, now there's a shadow hanging over me, oh I believe in yesterday'. I've been replaced by Gestede' The yesterday being Villa
That's more fitting with the theme on here.
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Isn't the problem with these songs that it's pronounced GE-STEDD rather than GE-STEDD-AY?
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Isn't the problem with these songs that it's pronounced GE-STEDD rather than GE-STEDD-AY?
Yeah so something simple that has lines ending with head, dead and Gestede should do.
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Isn't the problem with these songs that it's pronounced GE-STEDD rather than GE-STEDD-AY?
Yeah so something simple that has lines ending with head, dead and Gestede should do.
The Stranglers overcome this small issue of needing lyrics to rhyme to make a song in No More Heroes. "The Shakespearoes."
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Isn't the problem with these songs that it's pronounced GE-STEDD rather than GE-STEDD-AY?
Yeah so something simple that has lines ending with head, dead and Gestede should do.
Just requires a simple rewrite Dave:
Gestede eh? He's better in the air than Benteke
With Veretout, Ayew and Idrissa Gueye
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OH Gestede, Gestede
He scores all his goals with his head
He'll leave your defenders dead
OH Gestede, Gestede
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Rudy, Rudy
Give us a goal or two.
Rudy, Rudy,
Jumps like a kangaroo.
He's bigger than a yeti,
and better than Benteke,
Head or feet, his goals are sweet
And he plays in claret and blue.
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Nicely done.
(http://www.talkingbaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Gestede-770x470.png)
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Nicely done.
(http://www.talkingbaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Gestede-770x470.png)
Genius.
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How about Rudy, Rudy, Rudy, Rudy, Rudy, Rudy. To the kaiser chiefs tune?
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How about Rudy, Rudy, Rudy, Rudy, Rudy, Rudy. To the kaiser chiefs tune?
Rudy Gestede to the tune of Rudi Can't Fail.
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How about Rudy, Rudy, Rudy, Rudy, Rudy, Rudy. To the kaiser chiefs tune?
How about absolutely not.
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Nicely done.
(http://www.talkingbaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Gestede-770x470.png)
Great! Stolen for FB.
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How about Rudy, Rudy, Rudy, Rudy, Rudy, Rudy. To the kaiser chiefs tune?
How about absolutely not.
;D
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How about Rudy, Rudy, Rudy, Rudy, Rudy, Rudy. To the kaiser chiefs tune?
Rudy Gestede to the tune of Rudi Can't Fail.
Spot on.
He is Rude and Reckless
He aint wearing no necklace
He eats centre halves for Breakfast
Rudi Cant Fail
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How about Rudy, Rudy, Rudy, Rudy, Rudy, Rudy. To the kaiser chiefs tune?
How about absolutely not.
I thought Kasabian was bad enough. Kaiser Chiefs?
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Right, Gestede.
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So why is Rudy not fully match fit...is he recovering from injury or just lack of preseason training?
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no pre season according to Tim
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Just a thought but why weren't they training with their previous clubs in pre season, all the players we bought?
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They were sulking
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on route via trains planes and automobiles to hotel rooms in or around BMH
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There really isn't much of an excuse for players not to be fit for the start of a new season injury being the only exception
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There really isn't much of an excuse for players not to be fit for the start of a new season injury being the only exception
I agree on being physically fit, but match fit is slightly different if they haven't had the opportunity to play any friendlies.
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There really isn't much of an excuse for players not to be fit for the start of a new season injury being the only exception
I agree on being physically fit, but match fit is slightly different if they haven't had the opportunity to play any friendlies.
Yep all of these lads are physically fit. But running around at PL level is a big difference. But they will all quickly be up to speed and we have a few players who need to get going in that regard. The time to judge us will be late Sept onwards when we will have a bit of (forward) momentum hopefully.
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I'm a bit concerned that when he's on the pitch we just hoof it. That's not going to work and he really needs to improve his general play.
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I'm a bit concerned that when he's on the pitch we just hoof it. That's not going to work and he really needs to improve his general play.
I thought his general touch was okay yesterday, more surprised how many headers he lost. His problem was lack of involvement seemingly unable to make short/sharp moves to provide an outlet for the midfielders.
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I said to a mate of the way down yesterday, I can't see him being a 20 goal a season striker here. I reckon he might weigh in with about 8 or 9. He did ok though overall.
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I'm a bit concerned that when he's on the pitch we just hoof it. That's not going to work and he really needs to improve his general play.
I thought his general touch was okay yesterday, more surprised how many headers he lost. His problem was lack of involvement seemingly unable to make short/sharp moves to provide an outlet for the midfielders.
We need players to get closer to him. Jack was predominently drifting to the left to get into the game. Gabby is a headless chicken, and none of the other midfielders are attack minded in the slightest. I also thought the service to Gestede was incredibly poor.
In all honesty too, Palace have a pretty robust backline. One of the sides that someone like Gestede won't easily bully. Today would probably have been a more suitable game to go with the three quick men up top routine that Sherwood started with in the previous games. He's kind of got it the wrong way round in all honesty.
Ultimately though I see Gestede as an impact player. He'll be good off the bench or in certain games where you know he can bully defences.
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oops - quote fail.
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I said to a mate of the way down yesterday, I can't see him being a 20 goal a season striker here. I reckon he might weigh in with about 8 or 9. He did ok though overall.
No I don't think he's a 20 goal a season striker in the top flight.
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I think he's a good signing but up top all season long? I doubt he has the mobility or pace. And when you've got grealish, Gil and Adama you need someone who can run in behind and open the game up, give them a through ball to play or an option for a one-two with a deft touch
None of our options can do that unless gabby miraculously recovers his form of yesteryear or Ayew proves to be a lot less erratic than his reputation or what we've seen so far.
We need a striker even if it's on loan. I can't really see the blend of players at the moment that will work.
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How many 20 goal as season strikers are there these days? Double figures seems to be good in the modern game. Gone are the days of Fowler, Shearer, Cole, Ferdinand, etc.
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I don't think there are many 20 a season strikers. It's more the type I'm concerned with. Someone of the sort I describe above who will get 10-15 would be fine by me.
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Also, I watched the vid of gestede goals in the championship last season. Tons and tons of headers which is great. But how many crisply scored finishers with the feet where it's played though to him or pulled back? I think it was two. And surely that's the sort of assist that Adama, grealish and Gil will be looking for more than anything else? If you look at the og from Saturday he was completely on his heels
Not a criticism of him. He's not that kind of player. But I think we need that kind of player and unless Ayew is better than most of the reports on him I think we need to bring someone in.
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Ayew from his highlights strikes me much more of that type, but also that Ayew seems to have decent vision and is not selfish in the box. If we player him at the pinnacle and got runners being him in the box I think we would score goals. I also stool believe that the easier answer is to play Sinclair at the top. Finishes well, always in there for chances and generally works hard. I think he if will suited to play there.
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I think Ayew is that type. But most reports are that he consistent gives the ball away with erratic touches and isn't great in the air. I think I read that he gave the ball away with a bad touch more than almost any player in Europe or something like that. So as a loan striker in the premier league that would be a big concern. I agree we need to see what works though. He does seem to have talent. Him and gestede together could work but it does inhibit your options in midfield.
I do still get the sense that Tim would ideally be playing 442. I hope not though.
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Ayew needs to be played centrally imo; Remy coming in to supplement what we have would be brilliant
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The trouble Gestede has, is that with the knock downs and flick ons he does win, there is nobody (i.e. Gabby) anticipating and moving onto them.
Its also clear that he is at his best attacking the ball in the box, rather than being some lampost to boot it into with his back to goal.
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Probably been said ad infinitum but we need to get our midfielders scoring and at least one of them in double figures. I would like to think that we now have a manager that will encourage the midfield 3/4 to be a tad more adventurous and risk a nose bleed by getting into the penalty area. Also it would be good if any player had the confidence to have a pop at goal from 25 yards plus, we do seem to be very shot shy especially at Villa Park.
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Gestede will be an option. We hope Ayew will improve once he gets upto speed but I think the club know they have to try and get someone in who will give us more punch, especially if they are intent on shifting Libor.
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Ayew from his highlights strikes me much more of that type, but also that Ayew seems to have decent vision and is not selfish in the box. If we player him at the pinnacle and got runners being him in the box I think we would score goals. I also stool believe that the easier answer is to play Sinclair at the top. Finishes well, always in there for chances and generally works hard. I think he if will suited to play there.
Sorry, but that's a shit argument :)
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No chance of 15-20 this season, people were getting way carried away by the debut goal.
His all round game has looked very limited to me at this level although maybe unfair given we've just had Benteke for 3 years.
New striker needed in next 72 hours badly otherwise it will be a struggle up to xmas.
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He needs to work on his mobility.
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He obviously needs time and I think he can be a threat
But as a starter at this level he looks well short of mobility and quality. Well short
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I saw in him action and don't like what I seen from him. I think we should use Kozak instead today :(
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It's hard to think Kozak wouldn't have done better than him today, and he's pretty damn slow
If we don't get a forward in I find it really hard to decide who id play against Leicester.
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It's his second start at this level, so I think he was ok. Has some nice movement at times. I would have brought Kozak on towards the end, although that was when Rudy was playing quite well so I can see why he was left on.
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Well I think he was our weakest link. Cumbersome to the extent of clumsy at times. He had 3 shots. The one that went across the goal was poor and other two were almost soft back passes to their keeper. He will need to improve very quickly to stay in the team and based on what I have seen of him so far I could be persuaded to accept Adebayor here.
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Oh yes forgot Kozak would be better.
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I haven't written any of our players off yet... least of all Gestede. I think Kozak should have come on at 60 mins. His superior awareness and hold up play would have got us a goal, I'm certain.
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Those two Mis hits 😱😱😱
Hopefully that's partly nerves and not technique
I do agree his hold up play improved. But he still looked bloody clumsy.
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Had one great flick which hinted that he's not just a big lump but you have to play to his strengths as he's not a very mobile player.
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Fair point
A forward lacking mobility isn't great though is it?! Hopefully it's partly rustiness
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It's a real pitty Kozak isn't up to speed yet or we haven't bought another. I think Ruddy has a lot to learn and because of our short fall up front he and Ayew have had to be be thrown in at the deep end. Hopefully both will adjust to this level. It's early days yet though.
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I totally understand the lad is finding his way and adapting to a very demanding League.
There's no excuse for not moving around though, just basic off the ball stuff, but no. Obviously been watching Gabby closely.
We need a striker, pronto!
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It's a real pitty Kozak isn't up to speed yet or we haven't bought another. I think Ruddy has a lot to learn and because of our short fall up front he and Ayew have had to be be thrown in at the deep end. Hopefully both will adjust to this level. It's early days yet though.
Who says Kozak isn't up to speed? I think Sherwood just doesn't fancy him.
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I thought he struggled first half, but got into it 2nd half.
He's never going to be pretty, I couldn't give a shit about that it means nothing, but when we learn how to use him properly he'll do us a job.
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Sorry but the simple truth of the matter is that he isn't good enough. His goal scoring record shows that he thrives on accurate balls into the box and we don't have the players that can deliver quality crosses in what is a very one dimensional and low percentage success rate tactic. If we don't sign another forward this transfer window then we're going to be struggling for goals particularly when Traore and/or Grealish are not available.
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Sorry but the simple truth of the matter is that he isn't good enough. His goal scoring record shows that he thrives on accurate balls into the box and we don't have the players that can deliver quality crosses in what is a very one dimensional and low percentage success rate tactic. If we don't sign another forward this transfer window then we're going to be struggling for goals particularly when Traore and/or Grealish are not available.
We had neither today, yet scored twice, and, by all accounts, should've got more. Not exactly what I'd call "struggling".
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He'll get better and I can see him and Sinclair forging a good partnership in games to come.
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Sorry but the simple truth of the matter is that he isn't good enough. His goal scoring record shows that he thrives on accurate balls into the box and we don't have the players that can deliver quality crosses in what is a very one dimensional and low percentage success rate tactic. If we don't sign another forward this transfer window then we're going to be struggling for goals particularly when Traore and/or Grealish are not available.
We had neither today, yet scored twice, and, by all accounts, should've got more. Not exactly what I'd call "struggling".
If you hadn't noticed we were playing a very poor Sunderland team. Loads of possession but very little in terms of attacking threat even if the stats say we created loads. We could have played 180 minutes without scoring another goal today and that is because we are static and weak up front. Bringing on Kozak may have improved things.
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Sorry but the simple truth of the matter is that he isn't good enough. His goal scoring record shows that he thrives on accurate balls into the box and we don't have the players that can deliver quality crosses in what is a very one dimensional and low percentage success rate tactic. If we don't sign another forward this transfer window then we're going to be struggling for goals particularly when Traore and/or Grealish are not available.
We had neither today, yet scored twice, and, by all accounts, should've got more. Not exactly what I'd call "struggling".
If you hadn't noticed we were playing a very poor Sunderland team. Loads of possession but very little in terms of attacking threat even if the stats say we created loads. We could have played 180 minutes without scoring another goal today and that is because we are static and weak up front.
Given that we scored two in 90 minutes I can't see how you can say that we wouldn't score another one in 180.
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The word "another" is a clue to that one.
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Please elaborate.
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It's a real pitty Kozak isn't up to speed yet or we haven't bought another. I think Ruddy has a lot to learn and because of our short fall up front he and Ayew have had to be be thrown in at the deep end. Hopefully both will adjust to this level. It's early days yet though.
Who says Kozak isn't up to speed? I think Sherwood just doesn't fancy him.
Considering what he's recovering from I'd say the physio.
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I think he'll ultimately so pretty well at what he's good at
But we need more. How many premier league teams play with an immobile battering ram nowadays?
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The word "another" is a clue to that one.
Complete and utter rubbish. What do you call Richards missing an open goal from two yards out? What about Gil only having the keeper to beat but taking a slightly bad touch? Or Gestede turning Kaboul and having a relatively clear right at goal from the edge of the box? Or Westwood's shot that Pantillimon saved?
We created plenty of chances in the second half, despite not being at our best. Fucking nonsense to say that we wouldn't have scored another goal if we had played another 180 minutes.
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It's a real pitty Kozak isn't up to speed yet or we haven't bought another. I think Ruddy has a lot to learn and because of our short fall up front he and Ayew have had to be be thrown in at the deep end. Hopefully both will adjust to this level. It's early days yet though.
Who says Kozak isn't up to speed? I think Sherwood just doesn't fancy him.
Considering what he's recovering from I'd say the physio.
So he's on the bench but the physio doesn't think he's fit to play? Strange.
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Out of all the signings we made, he's the one that didn't excite or intrigue me as much as the others. He had a good scoring record at Blackburn but before that it was pretty poor. I think he'll be a good player eventually but at the moment he reminds me of when Crouch was with us. A bit raw but you can see potential. He's one for the future but for now i'd prefer Kozak starting.
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Sorry but the simple truth of the matter is that he isn't good enough. His goal scoring record shows that he thrives on accurate balls into the box and we don't have the players that can deliver quality crosses in what is a very one dimensional and low percentage success rate tactic. If we don't sign another forward this transfer window then we're going to be struggling for goals particularly when Traore and/or Grealish are not available.
You're joking aren't you, Amavi hit two beauties into the 12 yard box in the first half alone.
If players at Blackburn can hit quality crosses for him to score, I'm sure some of ours can.
The difference here is he needs to improve his movement as the defenders marking him will be cuter at making sure he dosen't get away from them to get a free header like he was getting every week in championship or even v Bournemouth.
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I watched him very closely yesterday and have to say I'm very worried. I kind of hope that he wasn't fully fit (which he should be now!) because he looked well off the pace. His movement was non existent and when he did move he was painfully slow! He didn't seemed arsed.
I don't see the Crouch comparison. Something Peter always had to his game was a decent touch. Rudy hasn't shown anything like that as yet.
It's early days but at present £6 million seems a helluva lot of money. Hopefully Rudy makes me change my mind.
As for Libor Kozak: he had a very good pre season getting in the goals. I think he could start a premiership game now. I think it is a matter of Tim not fancying him and more important of all, Tim didn't buy him for £6 million.
I would start him next game instead of Gestede!
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I have to say he does look very static and not very mobile. Too early to judge yet, but at the moment he looks very much like a one-dimensional Championship striker. Benteke had much more to his overall game.
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I don't think there's any way he isn't arsed. But I agree his movement was very poor and ungainly. His hold up play improved but not otherwise
As you say let's hope it's partly fitness because that performance was a real worry
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His lack of changing his pace from a leisurely jog made me think that he didn't look arsed and I stand by that.
As for his hold up play: I counted two awkward occasions when he didn't lose the ball. This being an improvement is worrying in itself.
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Gestede improved over the last half hour of yesterday's game He will surprise quite a few of you disbelievers believe me.Excellent acquisition!
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I think he'll do okay for us, worth remembering that yesterday was only his second start at this level.
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I think a lot of our players are just getting used to the PL. Gestede is stepping up and defences are adjusting to him. Now he'll need to work on finding ways to create space for himself. Part of his development. Same with the other new lads who are just at different stages of their understanding of this level. If they are good players they'll all get it but for some it will just take a little more time and fitness. Gueye has got it right away and Amavi to a large degree. Ayew and Veretout just need a bit more seasoning.
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I think a lot of our players are just getting used to the PL. Gestede is stepping up and defences are adjusting to him. Now he'll need to work on finding ways to create space for himself. Part of his development. Same with the other new lads who are just at different stages of their understanding of this level. If they are good players they'll all get it but for some it will just take a little more time and fitness. Gueye has got it right away and Amavi to a large degree. Ayew and Veretout just need a bit more seasoning.
Veretout is a class act who I have seen in France. Once he catches on to the pace of the PL he will look outstanding.
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After his 30 minutes Man U, I held off commenting on him. However after seeing him in the 2 following games, I just don't see anything that resembles a Premier League player. This guy should only be used as an option from the bench when we want to be direct. If he is our main man, I'm worried.
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It's his second start at this level, so I think he was ok. Has some nice movement at times. I would have brought Kozak on towards the end, although that was when Rudy was playing quite well so I can see why he was left on.
Ah yes, the 'can't have your cake and eat it' dilemma that managers on the touch line have. You're right though, Gestede was improving as the game went on.
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Sorry but the simple truth of the matter is that he isn't good enough. His goal scoring record shows that he thrives on accurate balls into the box and we don't have the players that can deliver quality crosses in what is a very one dimensional and low percentage success rate tactic. If we don't sign another forward this transfer window then we're going to be struggling for goals particularly when Traore and/or Grealish are not available.
You're joking aren't you, Amavi hit two beauties into the 12 yard box in the first half alone.
If players at Blackburn can hit quality crosses for him to score, I'm sure some of ours can.
The difference here is he needs to improve his movement as the defenders marking him will be cuter at making sure he dosen't get away from them to get a free header like he was getting every week in championship or even v Bournemouth.
At this level we should have players that can deliver accurate crosses, particularly when they are under no real pressure. This to me is where Hutton does not deliver. In the first half he had so much space and time on the ball to get good crosses in but failed time after time.
Similarly, Westwood with free kicks and corners. We have scored with one driven flat corner at Bournemouth and now it seems as though every corner is the same in what is probably the most difficult cross to hit accurately and has no 'second bite of the cherry' if it is drops short or goes longer as with an in swinging corner with pace.
The benefit of Gestede will only be seen with accurate delivery, whether it is from crosses or balls played up to him.
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Worth a reminder that the only 3 points we have gained so far this season came from a Gestede winning header
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He's a massive threat in the air - although not quite as amazing so far as I'd imagined
Very happy with him as a squad option and to come off the bench, and start if he's playing really well
But I'm really not keen on him being our first choice striker this season. Ditto all the other current options.
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I mentioned in the match thread yesterday, so apologies for repeating, but I think he thrives off crosses from the byline rather than crosses from deep. With Traore, Gil, Amavi getting to the line and crossing, I think he's capable of scoring a bunch. But he's no Benteke when it comes to managing passes coming in to him from deep, although he clearly can win 'knock downs' and make some decent flick-ons.
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Far too early to judge, but being bullied by Kaboul on Saturday was not encouraging.
I would like to have seen how Kozak managed the Blunderland's defenders, and I think TS needs to mix it up a little.
Gestede is definitely a "jury's out" player but certainly no write-off.
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If he is going to play its crucial that we have pace near him to get behind teams. Jack and Gil don't offer that but others do
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Jack and Gil don't offer that but others do
Sounds like a nursery ryhme
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Gestede is definitely a "jury's out" player but certainly no write-off.
Is 'jury's out' the right term? I would suggest that more evidence needs to be considered before we get to 'jury's out', which would imply it's make your mind up time as there is nothing more to see.
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So far he isn't winning many headers with his back to goal, but you can see an improvement to his game with every minute he spends on the pitch. He'll come good in time.
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He did improve but he was playing against the worst defence in the league by some margin
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Despite having lurked on H&V for the best part of 10 years, this feels a strange time & subject for a first post, but seeing as I am probably the only Benin-based H&V user I thought it might be of interest to share my impressions from inside the stadium on Gestede's performance for Benin against Mali today.
First, crikey he is a big unit. Clambered all over the Malian defence for the numerous long balls that were punted his way and won the majority - despite his marker in the Malian defence being of an equally imposing stature.
Second, although the state of the pitch was somewhere below Conference standard, he seemed quite clearly limited "on the deck". Missed a couple of one-on-ones, one especially which would have frankly been easier to score than miss. Compared to Benin's other PL international, Sessègnon, it was a question of night-and-day in terms of technical ability (the latter being the most technically impressive player on the pitch).
Third, after about 70 minutes he was quite evidently shot. It could be the heat and humidity playing a part, but there were occasions in the last twenty minutes when the Malian defence was playing itself into trouble and I was screaming at him to put a shift in to press the defender and he literally stood stock still.
However, he also forced the 'keeper into a couple of smart saves from headers and would, had the quality of service from the Beninese wingers been better, surely gotten a goal as his aerial prowess is self-evident.
Give him the right service and he should bang (or maybe, nut) in the goals - here's to hoping that one (or more) of Sinclair, Traoré, Grealish and N'Zogbia can provide it...
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Thanks for the game insight Luke, brilliant.
I hope he is the new Carew, he definately has it within him, the game against Liverpool in the cup last season, he was a defenders nightmare.
I think Sinclair/Ayew could do well playing alongside him, do not like seeing him isolated on his own up top.
He needs more prem game time for that.
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Welcome Luke
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And a Heartbreakers reference. You'll fit right in here.
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Welcome Luke. Fantastic post. You used the word "crikey", put loads of asides in brackets, and the gem of the idea of "nutting" goals was the cherry on the gateau. Look forward to hearing a lot from you.
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Thank for joining the list and it is nice to here from you Luke. How often did you seen him in action on TV/stadium ? Have he got the intelligence or instincts or skills needed to be top striker.
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This is the first time I've seen him outside of highlight reels on the internet - he wasn't playing last time I saw the Squirrels play (against Sao Tomé & Principé). To be honest, anybody based in England will be in a much better position to judge based on his PL and Championship appearances. He was getting some stick from the crowd for wasting possession and/or failing to pick the 'right' option which, given the level of play - it is a long time since I've seen a live top-flight match in the UK, but it didn't strike me a being significantly above the French National (third division) that I watched during my time in France - is a fairly damning indictement of his football intelligence / skill with the ball at his feet.
Get some wingers capable of beating a man and whipping in dangerous crosses, or more consistent set-piece delivery (my only knowledge in this area is formed from during- and post-match threads where Westwood seems to be regularly pilloried for his failure to provide opportunities) and he'll clearly get on the end of them, he was taking up good positions against Mali but the Beninese wingers (and it pains me to say this) were just atrocious at crossing. The Bournemouth goal and his performance here have offered evidence that he is quite willing to fling himself over and/or through any defender to get on the end of it. Just a matter of that elusive 'final ball'.
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Welcome and happy birthday. You're about to both outlive Jesus and live out your life on here. Enjoy.
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Really interesting report thanks
We all know his main threat is his head and physical presence. But there is a minimum level of ability required with the ball on the deck. Especially with the players we have - much more about playing between the lines than whipping balls in
He did show a few nice touches against Sunderland though he was erratic. He doesn't look fit yet either.
I'm not that optimistic he can be our regular striker but we need to give him a chance. It's a shame we can't be confident about relying on anyone else in the meantime.
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Sorry for 'shame' read 'very big worry'
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This is the first time I've seen him outside of highlight reels on the internet - he wasn't playing last time I saw the Squirrels play (against Sao Tomé & Principé). To be honest, anybody based in England will be in a much better position to judge based on his PL and Championship appearances. He was getting some stick from the crowd for wasting possession and/or failing to pick the 'right' option which, given the level of play - it is a long time since I've seen a live top-flight match in the UK, but it didn't strike me a being significantly above the French National (third division) that I watched during my time in France - is a fairly damning indictement of his football intelligence / skill with the ball at his feet.
Get some wingers capable of beating a man and whipping in dangerous crosses, or more consistent set-piece delivery (my only knowledge in this area is formed from during- and post-match threads where Westwood seems to be regularly pilloried for his failure to provide opportunities) and he'll clearly get on the end of them, he was taking up good positions against Mali but the Beninese wingers (and it pains me to say this) were just atrocious at crossing. The Bournemouth goal and his performance here have offered evidence that he is quite willing to fling himself over and/or through any defender to get on the end of it. Just a matter of that elusive 'final ball'.
Welcome, great first post Luke. Can I ask how you came to be living in Benin, I have to admit my dreadful ignorance and had to look it up to see where in Africa it was. I've certainly never met anybody from there before.
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His goalscoring record last season speaks for itself...give him decent balls into the box and he'll get on the end of a few. The problem is that crossing is a very low percentage tactic, defenders are much better in the PL at dealing with crosses and we lack consistent good delivery into the box. Without the service he needs we may as well have Gabby up front doing nothing.
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Welcome, great first post Luke. Can I ask how you came to be living in Benin, I have to admit my dreadful ignorance and had to look it up to see where in Africa it was. I've certainly never met anybody from there before.
Thank you. I'm here because my wife is French-Beninese. With two young kids, we wanted them to experience Africa properly and really 'know' this part of their heritage, as well as being optimistic about the future of Africa (or Benin at least - stable & democratic since 1991, which is a rarity on the continent) and wish to play our part, as opposed to the creeping climate of fear and economic stagnation in Europe.
There's no need to excuse any ignorance. Most African countries only get a mention in the press for war, terrorism, corruption or famine, so as such there's no reason to have heard of it. However, should any H&Vers ever wish to discover the other side, we have a spare room and I'm always more-than-willing to show interested people around and show off my new motherland. We play South Sudan sometime in March as well, for those who wish to see Rudy in Beninese yellow as opposed to claret-and-blue.
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Welcome, great first post Luke. Can I ask how you came to be living in Benin, I have to admit my dreadful ignorance and had to look it up to see where in Africa it was. I've certainly never met anybody from there before.
Thank you. I'm here because my wife is French-Beninese. With two young kids, we wanted them to experience Africa properly and really 'know' this part of their heritage, as well as being optimistic about the future of Africa (or Benin at least - stable & democratic since 1991, which is a rarity on the continent) and wish to play our part, as opposed to the creeping climate of fear and economic stagnation in Europe.
There's no need to excuse any ignorance. Most African countries only get a mention in the press for war, terrorism, corruption or famine, so as such there's no reason to have heard of it. However, should any H&Vers ever wish to discover the other side, we have a spare room and I'm always more-than-willing to show interested people around and show off my new motherland. We play South Sudan sometime in March as well, for those who wish to see Rudy in Beninese yellow as opposed to claret-and-blue.
It's a pity you've been quiet for so long. Welcome!
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I've met someone from Benin, from a place called Kandi. She was a teacher in a school there and was involved with a charity that worked with to get computers into schools in Africa. Her exact description was that it was a very 'boring' place because, unlike most of the countries around them, they're happy, so no one ever hear about them. I've been trying to remember her name for weeks (since I noticed Gestede was playing for them) but it's just gone completely. The only reason I remember the place she's from is because when she said it I remember thinking "isn't that in Sri Lanka?" and having to look it up on a map later.
She was a fantastic woman so my rating of the country is 100% positive!
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Welcome, great first post Luke. Can I ask how you came to be living in Benin, I have to admit my dreadful ignorance and had to look it up to see where in Africa it was. I've certainly never met anybody from there before.
Thank you. I'm here because my wife is French-Beninese. With two young kids, we wanted them to experience Africa properly and really 'know' this part of their heritage, as well as being optimistic about the future of Africa (or Benin at least - stable & democratic since 1991, which is a rarity on the continent) and wish to play our part, as opposed to the creeping climate of fear and economic stagnation in Europe.
There's no need to excuse any ignorance. Most African countries only get a mention in the press for war, terrorism, corruption or famine, so as such there's no reason to have heard of it. However, should any H&Vers ever wish to discover the other side, we have a spare room and I'm always more-than-willing to show interested people around and show off my new motherland. We play South Sudan sometime in March as well, for those who wish to see Rudy in Beninese yellow as opposed to claret-and-blue.
Been to Casa Del Papa in Ouidah, Benin and it is absolutely stunning. Amazing the difference when you cross the border at Seme from Nigeria into Benin how the mobbed roads and lack of any discipline on roads is transformed into an orderly calm where drivers observe rules of the road and understand what markings on the road are for. Food was great, people friendly, place was chilled - an undeniable and unmistakable hidden treasure and a great secret of West Africa.
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Luke, please excuse my ignorance but does Benin have a very progressive art culture. Benin bronzes of course are world famous but when my wife spent a year in La Jolla recovering from illness, she and my daughter looked after a group of African painters and sculptors. We still have some gifts from them including a glazed bowl with the inscription on it to my wife describing her as "a very high class woman". I am pretty sure they were Beninese. Great guys and very talented.
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Luke, please excuse my ignorance but does Benin have a very progressive art culture. Benin bronzes of course are world famous but when my wife spent a year in La Jolla recovering from illness, she and my daughter looked after a group of African painters and sculptors. We still have some gifts from them including a glazed bowl with the inscription on it to my wife describing her as "a very high class woman". I am pretty sure they were Beninese. Great guys and very talented.
This is right up my family's street, Brian, as my sister-in-law is President of (and my wife vice-President) the Fondation Zinsou, which she founded to offer African artists a place in Africa to exhibit and also to do retrospectives on African artists who perhaps missed out on recognition on the continent during their prime years. It was recently(ish) featured in the Guardian. Tragically, although I create websites for clients out here, I cannot fathom how to insert hyperlinks, but a quick Google of the key words should see you find it if contemporary African art is of interest.
Benin had a reputation as the Latin Quarter of West Africa for its cultural development at one time and Romuald Hazoumé is the most well-known Beninese artist internationally - his Bouche du Roi (a full-size slave ship made out of petrol jerry cans) is still at the British Museum I believe -, but there are others, such as Kiffouli Dossou, Tchif and Gérard Quenum who are making a name for themselves in Francophone / African art circles for their sculptures and paintings. The plastic arts are very popular here and in addition to the Fondation there are plenty of small and ad hoc exhibitions taking place all the time in Cotonou.
Depending on how emotionally attached to the bowl you are - and you and your wife should be very proud of that, no-doubt accurate, inscription as every single Beninese artist I've ever met is allergic to BS or arse-kissing, some sort of artistic arrogance or pride - and who made it, you would do well to hang on to it for a few years and maybe get it valued. Prices are becoming faintly ridiculous (in my opinion, but I'm artistically-illiterate and poor) for contemporary African art at the moment and it could be a nice retirement bonus one day.
A fact which catches out many (including myself) is that Benin bronzes are actually from the Kingdom of Benin (capital city: Benin City) in modern-day Nigeria...
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Thank you Luke. I went to a travelling exhibition of African art that came to Cambridge. There were fabulous examples of ceramics and fabrics but what stuck in my mind was the work of a group of women artists whose work was featured in a video and in photographs. Their matrix was their own houses which they painted in dazzling and arresting patterns. They did it as unpretentiously as a Brit might slap on a coat of magnolia masonry paint. My daughter still has loads of art knick knacks from the La Jolla days. She and her mother ran a stall pitched outside the gates of San Diego zoo selling the art. The artists would usually get sent packing by the zoo but my wife being a high class lady was left alone. Happy memories thank you for bringing them back Luke!
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I'm not writing him off, but I worry that his lack of mobility is going to render him pretty ineffective at the top level.
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I'm not writing him off, but I worry that his lack of mobility is going to render him pretty ineffective at the top level.
Yes, I'm afraid he's a bit of a one trick pony, and that trick isn't going to get him very far at Premier League level.
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Two Strikers, one from the Championship and one with just 1 half decent season in France is not how we should have strengthened the attack. It's clear in every game that we are missing a centre forward.
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Does Gestede do anything to hold the ball up? Is he actually any good in the air?
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Does Gestede do anything to hold the ball up? Is he actually any good in the air?
I have no idea about his hold up play but most of his goals were bullet headers or 6 yard box balls being turned in as he dominated Championship centre backs from what I saw on youtube. He's not mobile at all is he? I can't see how he is going to work in the current team.
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Somebody said on Twitter that in the first half, we put plenty of crosses in but had Gestede on the bench. He seems to be that 'we're penned in, best lump it' option we used Benteke for, but from what I've seen, he's rubbish at it.
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I didn't think he was that bad when he came on.
I did think - not for the first time - that we could have got Austin for what we paid for gestede and Ayew.
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Somebody said on Twitter that in the first half, we put plenty of crosses in but had Gestede on the bench. He seems to be that 'we're penned in, best lump it' option we used Benteke for, but from what I've seen, he's rubbish at it.
Well he certainly wasn't rubbish at it at Blackburn, and we didn't lump it today after he came on (or cross it) so absolutely no conclusions can be drawn from his qualities on today's performance. Let's start judging him after he's had a good run on the side.
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I don't think I've seen a less mobile striker than Gestede. He looks woeful at the moment.
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Gestede seems to be to be a completely one trick pony.
Problem is, he ain't that fucking good with that trick.
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He looks miles off premier league quality to me. Not the sort of forward I like to watch either so not a fan if I'm honest.
I think we've messed up big time thinking he was going to morph into the second coming of Benteke, in a funny way him scoring on his debut could be one of the worst things that has happened to us this season.
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Gestede + Ayew = £15m > Charlie Austin.
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The irony is we'll probably spend that amount on him or another forward in January when things are looking really desperate a la Bent.
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I'm sorry, but this guy just doesn't have it at this level. Very, very poor indeed.
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makes Gabby look good
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Needs a chance obviously but he really looks miles off doesn't he. Worryingly immobile.
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I'm sorry, but this guy just doesn't have it at this level. Very, very poor indeed.
Unfortunately I agree. Can't control a ball, can't make space for him, can play in tight spaces and absolutely no pace.
Man, oh man. Better than Libor? Not on his best day.
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Towards the end with Gestede and Gabby up front, well, crikey. What a sight that was.
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He will be off loaded to someone like Forest next summer for about £3m
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He's shit. May be a bit harsh but but he's simply not good enough at this level...Championship at best.
The only thing I can say in his defence is that the service in to him has been equally as shit in his appearances so far, but he can't win a header, can't control a ball and can't pass a ball more than a few yards.
I worry every time he comes on because we know the game plan is about to change to lumping piss poor percentage balls into the box and our crossing is abysmal.
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Somebody said on Twitter that in the first half, we put plenty of crosses in but had Gestede on the bench. He seems to be that 'we're penned in, best lump it' option we used Benteke for, but from what I've seen, he's rubbish at it.
Well he certainly wasn't rubbish at it at Blackburn, and we didn't lump it today after he came on (or cross it) so absolutely no conclusions can be drawn from his qualities on today's performance. Let's start judging him after he's had a good run on the side.
We won't be scoring many goals if he has a good run in the side as harsh as it is.
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He's shit. May be a bit harsh but but he's simply not good enough at this level
Then again, neither are we.
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He's shit. May be a bit harsh but but he's simply not good enough at this level
Then again, neither are we.
If Gestede is the answer, what's the question?
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The thing is, Kozak is actually an intelligent footballer, he creates space and uses it well.
Gabby is brainless, he has absolutely zero nous or intelligence in the way he plays, none at all. Gestede looks similar.
Yet Kozak doesn't get a look in.
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He's shit. May be a bit harsh but but he's simply not good enough at this level
Then again, neither are we.
If Gestede is the answer, what's the question?
Poor mans Jordan Bowery
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Sherwood will die on Kozak's cross. (I've had a couple...)
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The thing is, Kozak is actually an intelligent footballer, he creates space and uses it well.
Gabby is brainless, he has absolutely zero nous or intelligence in the way he plays, none at all. Gestede looks similar.
Yet Kozak doesn't get a look in.
This for me too, cannot understand why he doesn't get a look in
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Because by all accounts and reports (mainly from views from here), Kozak hasn't been playing particularly well in the U21 games he's played in and can't be doing much to impress in training either. He might get a place on the bench on Tuesday.
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He has one very good attribute and we never play to it, he is in no way, shape or form, a back to goal forward.
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Because by all accounts and reports (mainly from views from here), Kozak hasn't been playing particularly well in the U21 games he's played in and can't be doing much to impress in training either. He might get a place on the bench on Tuesday.
Gabby hasn't been playing very well for the first team, but he seems to have no problem getting picked.
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We both know that Gabby is untouchable at the moment regardless of how shit he is...you could easily argue that the reason for our problems is that Gabby is actually the best forward option at the club at the moment, which pretty much says it all really.
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We both know that Gabby is untouchable at the moment regardless of how shit he is...you could easily argue that the reason for our problems is that Gabby is actually the best forward option at the club at the moment, which pretty much says it all really.
Which is why selling Benteke and not replacing him with an even vaguely proven striker was idiocy.
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Not a premier league player as long as I've got a hole in my arse. Awful.
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Not even having Kozak on the bench is very odd. At least give the bloke a chance to show if he's up to it or not.
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Stubborn Tim.
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We both know that Gabby is untouchable at the moment regardless of how shit he is...you could easily argue that the reason for our problems is that Gabby is actually the best forward option at the club at the moment, which pretty much says it all really.
Which is why selling Benteke and not replacing him with an even vaguely proven striker was idiocy.
100% correct.
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We both know that Gabby is untouchable at the moment regardless of how shit he is...you could easily argue that the reason for our problems is that Gabby is actually the best forward option at the club at the moment, which pretty much says it all really.
This might be going against the grain, but I didn't think he was all that bad today. We were pretty much shit from start to finish, but we had about four meaningful chances, and three of them came from long punts downfield, which Gabby didn't really have much of a right to win and bullied their defender off the ball and actually found one of our players to create the chance. I'd say that he is still part of our long-term problem, but he wasn't the main cause of our problems today.
*this doesn't mean that I think that's good enough or that all the other poor performances should be excused
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You've pretty much summed it up Dave...the problem is that Gabby is still the best of our forward options.
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I don't like writing off players too early and I try not to but i'm not sure he's got it to be honest. When I saw him on the pitch at half time, I sat there and said to my mate 'he's not going to make any difference'. We almost sunk to their level bringing him on. Meanwhile we have a striker in Kozak who was top scorer in the Europa league before he came here and he's playing for the U21's on a Monday night and can't even make the bench. Time to give the bloke a run out.
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I'll be surprised if he scores 5 goals this year.
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Having seen him play a few times now. I'd say hes worth every penny of the transfer fee that Blackburn paid to Cardiff. Around 200k?
The chicken farmers must be pissing themselves at getting 6million for him. A 26 year old striker who has only hit a double figure goal tally ONCE in his career, despite playing at levels below the one he's expected to perform at now.
Having said that, now hes here, if you want to persist with him, you really should start playing to his strengths, get it wide and whip those crosses in. Tim doesn't seem to like or know how to play that style.
Otherwise fess up, admit you dropped a bollock and fuck him off in part exchange for Charlie Austin in January.
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Kozak must be given a game at some point soon. I like he idea of tempting Austin here with a swap for Ruddy in January too. It's early days but Ruddy doesn't look like a premiership player does he?
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He looks very poor. He wins nothing in the air, he doesn't hold the ball up, he doesn't bring others in. He's slow too.
The only thing I would say is that we don't put any balls into the box for him.
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He looks very poor. He wins nothing in the air, he doesn't hold the ball up, he doesn't bring others in. He's slow too.
The only thing I would say is that we don't put any balls into the box for him.
When we did yesterday it just skied off his head into row Z.
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All well and good saying we should play to his strengths, but, from the admittedly little I've seen of him thus far, I'm not sure I'd back him against most Premier League centre-halves anyway. Not much evidence yet of any real quality in him.
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for me he doesnt put himself about enough for a big bloke, if youre not going to win the header at least work the centre half.
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Other than the goal at Bournemouth has he got anything else on target yet ?
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Other than the goal at Bournemouth has he got anything else on target yet ?
He's scuffed a few shots off target, v Sunderland, just after he scored v Bournemouth and also one at Palace. He dosen't seem great actually kicking the ball when he does get space to hit a shot.
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"Hi mate is that the Dog & Duck B team"
"yes mate"
"My mate is a striker looking for a team "
"brilliant mate always looking for a good striker, is he any good"
"Well he's tall (ish) "
" Sounds perfect , what's his name "
"Rudy Gestede ....."
Long pause
"sorry mate fat john is our striker "
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Time to give Kozak an extended run of games.
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Time to give Kozak an extended run of games.
It probably is, but I can't see it happening when he wasn't even on the bench yesterday.
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Time to give Kozak an extended run of games.
It probably is, but I can't see it happening when he wasn't even on the bench yesterday.
Seems sherwood will go with Ayew and gestede ahead of Kozak as he's signed them
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Kozak is better for me, Rudy looks slow and unfit
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I'd persevere with Gestede. Never been impressed by Kozak, and seeing him at the pre season friendly at Forest reminded me just how poor a player he is.
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I'd persevere with Gestede. Never been impressed by Kozak, and seeing him at the pre season friendly at Forest reminded me just how poor a player he is.
Did you miss the wolves and Braga games ?
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I'd persevere with Gestede. Never been impressed by Kozak, and seeing him at the pre season friendly at Forest reminded me just how poor a player he is.
Kozak must be absolutely fucking shite if you'd rather persevere with Gestede.
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I'd persevere with Gestede. Never been impressed by Kozak, and seeing him at the pre season friendly at Forest reminded me just how poor a player he is.
Kozak must be absolutely fucking shite if you'd rather persevere with Gestede.
Or the manager is a chancer that doesn't know his arse from his elbow.
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Sherwood I fear is a very stubborn individual hence why he bombed Gil out for so long, hence now why I fear Kozak won't get a sniff with Ayew and Gestede around.
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In fairness, he gave a reasonable explanation with Gil last season, and he's played him when remotely fit this season.
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This season apart from the Forest game what little we have seen of Libor Kozak does not justify him being excluded by either Ayew or Gestede. Ayew is at sixes and sevens and can only face a harder fight for self confidence after being the sacrificial lamb at Leicester. Gestede's aerial ability is out of kilter and is made worse by our decades old fault of crosses and corners being spooned in like a beach ball. So, neither Ayew nor Gestede should be keeping Kozak in the wilderness in my opinion. What Kozak does have is awareness in the box, a quality singularly absent from our other front men. Libor will at least be on the bench against Small Heath but against those savages I can only hope Libor's bones have made a full recovery. My guess is that he will come on for Gabby after 75 minutes when the game is either won or lost and nothing will be proved either way. It is basic favouritism by Sherwood to favour his own signings.
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In the current set-up Libor should be a shoe-in.
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This from the U21 game last week...
Crespo looked class. So composed and tidy on the ball. He played at centre-half rather than full back. Kozak was a bit disappointing, as was Kinsella but Sellars, Abdo & the kid with the Jack Grealish hairdo ( O'Hare?) were very good.
...thats probably why he hasn't been included so far if he's not impressing in U21 games.
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This from the U21 game last week...
Crespo looked class. So composed and tidy on the ball. He played at centre-half rather than full back. Kozak was a bit disappointing, as was Kinsella but Sellars, Abdo & the kid with the Jack Grealish hairdo ( O'Hare?) were very good.
...thats probably why he hasn't been included so far if he's not impressing in U21 games.
Any idea how many he's played in?
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Unfortunately I dont but feel free to do some research and let us all know ;)
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Unfortunately I dont but feel free to do some research and let us all know ;)
Oh, I see...if you want something doing, do it yourself eh?
He's played in one game (v. Brighton)
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This from the U21 game last week...
Crespo looked class. So composed and tidy on the ball. He played at centre-half rather than full back. Kozak was a bit disappointing, as was Kinsella but Sellars, Abdo & the kid with the Jack Grealish hairdo ( O'Hare?) were very good.
...thats probably why he hasn't been included so far if he's not impressing in U21 games.
Any idea how many he's played in?
Not sure how many he's played in but he's got one goal, a penalty. They've won 3 out of 4 and Ilori apparently has played in centre mid.
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Just saw this on BookFace. Is it just me or does Rudy come across as a reasonably intelligent and articulate young fellow?
https://www.facebook.com/AstonVillaTheInformer/videos/803235976456140/
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Rudy will work if we have players on both wings going for the by line and crossing.
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Rudy will work if we have players on both wings going for the by line and crossing.
Maybe but, early days as it is, he doesn't, thus far, look remotely like the type of player to build a team, or a front three around.
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I'm just hoping that he's not at all fit and as a massive guy takes a fair bit to get going
Good header on tues but upto then it was a shockingly bad performance. I'd play ayew up front against Liverpool
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Rudy will work if we have players on both wings going for the by line and crossing.
Maybe but, early days as it is, he doesn't, thus far, look remotely like the type of player to build a team, or a front three around.
No. I think he'll be a good impact player. Provided we supply him with good service. He has played poorly lately, but at the same time the service to him has been pathetic. Even Benteke struggled at times last season with some of the appalling service he was getting. And I think sometimes for a striker, if you're waiting 5 minutes to get a touch you start switching off and when the ball does come to you, you may miscontrol. He's not got the best touch but I don't think it's as bad as it looks at times. If you get him into games a bit more, he'll look better. Even Benteke's ball control at times last season (during his dry spell) looked dodgy. The ball looked like it might rocket off his shins into orbit at times.
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Not so sure, he looks fine attacking balls from the byeline but how many of them are going to happen per game, not many I'd imagine. His all round game looks to leave a lot to be desired, he needs to get a lot better if he's going to play regularly in the league.
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I reckon he's going to be one of those players that will be equally hated and feted by our fans but will pop up with enough goals to keep us interested. A bit of a Savo if you like. (I am not comparing Savo and Rudy's playing styles by the way!)
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I reckon he's going to be one of those players that will be equally hated and feted by our fans but will pop up with enough goals to keep us interested. A bit of a Savo if you like. (I am not comparing Savo and Rudy's playing styles by the way!)
I think you might be right.
I thought he was truly awful on Tuesday, I can barely remember a player with such poor touch on the deck, and he managed to not win many aerial duels, either. Then he scored. A reminder that there are a lot of things he doesn't do very well, but there is one thing he's very good at.
If we can afford to use a player like that very frequently, i don't know, and I still don't think he offers anything like as much as Kozak does, but he has had limited opportunities and scored a couple of goals, so he must have some value.
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Well done Rudy, 4 goals in 8 apps, took them both well. Fluffed his first chance but got better as the game went on.
Let's hope he can push on and go on a run now.
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Not that i'm advocating this change, but don't you think Gestede is exactly the kind of striker Sam Allardyce would love to have in his team?
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Indeed I'd get Sam in before Stoke game
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Indeed I'd get Sam in before Stoke game
He'd be better up top than Gabby !
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Didn't see the game today
I know it sounds odd after three in two. But I still think him playing leaves us so short of mobility up front I'm not sure I'd do it
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Indeed I'd get Sam in before Stoke game
Wash your mouth out.
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He's sort of one of those who'll get 10-15 goals at the end of the season and we'll be scratching our heads at how he manage to do it.
I'm not a fan as I've expressed before but they were two very good goals. His link and hold up play were poor though so it's a struggle to get fluent attacks going.
Just hope he can get a few more winners this season than consolations like today.
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He's sort of one of those who'll get 10-15 goals at the end of the season and we'll be scratching our heads at how he manage to do it.
I'm not a fan as I've expressed before but they were two very good goals. His link and hold up play were poor though so it's a struggle to get fluent attacks going.
Just hope he can get a few more winners this season than consolations like today.
I must admit, I thought he was terrible against Sunderland and awful on Tuesday and would have hooked him before the goal (which shows what good I'd be as a Manager!!). His lack of movement is incredible making him, pretty much, a one trick pony.
I'd like to see Ayew playing up the middle.
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Agree with you all. Ultimately he is a CF and if he scores goals its fine by me. Awesome in the air when he gets the right service
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The thing is he has to play next game after three in two
But I can't see us putting together many good displays with him in the team. He's not suited to our players
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He needs to stay in the team to get fitter - he said he's still building up his match fitness. Fair play to him - he's scored more than Benteke in less starts and cost about a fifth of Benteke's fee.
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The thing is he has to play next game after three in two
But I can't see us putting together many good displays with him in the team. He's not suited to our players
That's exactly right.
You see him huffing and puffing like a pony trying to control a golf ball on the deck and struggling even to win aerial duels, and then he comes up with an absolute bullet header like today.
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The thing is he has to play next game after three in two
But I can't see us putting together many good displays with him in the team. He's not suited to our players
That's exactly right.
You see him huffing and puffing like a pony trying to control a golf ball on the deck and struggling even to win aerial duels, and then he comes up with an absolute bullet header like today.
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7004/6469103599_76820f4111_b.jpg)
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The thing is he has to play next game after three in two
But I can't see us putting together many good displays with him in the team. He's not suited to our players
That's exactly right.
You see him huffing and puffing like a pony trying to control a golf ball on the deck and struggling even to win aerial duels, and then he comes up with an absolute bullet header like today.
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7004/6469103599_76820f4111_b.jpg)
(http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Horse-Exercise-Ball-Fail.gif)
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I've said this before, there are 2 types of strikers, ones who can play with their back to goal and ones that can't. All the other differences are largely insignificant in terms of play style, you either have a striker you play off who has his back to goal a lot and can bring people into play and be a focal point or you have a striker that you work around and play balls into his path. The issue is Gestede, like Kozak, looks like he should be one of the former but he's not, get the ball in front of him where he can attack it and he scores goals, he has 4 which highlight that perfectly. Play long punts up to him and expect him running into corners or winning flickons and you'll be disappointed.
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I think it's clear that it's very difficult to play Sinclair and Gestede in the same team, a bit like the Gabby/Andi thing where they're extremely peripheral until they get you a goal (except, of course, Sinclair and Gestede are more effective at doing that), which makes it feel like playing with 9 men. I think it would have to be one or the other for a goalscoring threat, and then play three of Grealish/Gil/Adama/Ayew since they actually get involved. 4-3-3 looks even worse with those two at the same time, since it leaves just one creative player and then three midfielders who do the same thing.
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I said to someone on here that I didn't think he was going to make it and I'm still not totally convinced but he took his two goals really well yesterday. I don't think he's as good in the air as Benteke was when flicking the ball on, but he's superb in the box.
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Todays header can be added to his Youtube montage from his Blackburn days
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I'd hate to see the sort of opprobrium the poor guy would be on the receiving end of had he not bagged four goals thus far. What ever way you colour it, it isn't a bad return on games played
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Didn't see the game today
I know it sounds odd after three in two. But I still think him playing leaves us so short of mobility up front I'm not sure I'd do it
I was there at the game and said exactly the same thing, not many disagreed. A different player to Darren Bent but playing him gives our team the same dilemma.
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Gestede needs genuine wingers and full-backs who can whip in a decent ball. Amavi is perfect. But Grealish, Gil and Sinclair tend to drift inside too much. They need to get a bit of chalk on their boots if Rudy's in the team.
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The thing is he has to play next game after three in two
But I can't see us putting together many good displays with him in the team. He's not suited to our players
That's exactly right.
You see him huffing and puffing like a pony trying to control a golf ball on the deck and struggling even to win aerial duels, and then he comes up with an absolute bullet header like today.
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Ruuuuuudy
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Gestede needs genuine wingers and full-backs who can whip in a decent ball. Amavi is perfect. But Grealish, Gil and Sinclair tend to drift inside too much. They need to get a bit of chalk on their boots if Rudy's in the team.
Adama likes to get wide. Hopefully he'll be fit soon. Grealish puts in quality when he's wide, so I'd like to see him get wide a bit more often, particularly if he's struggling to make in-roads in the center. And honestly, if you have Gestede playing up top, there's no need for a number 10. It won't work.
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He might be a bit limited, but the headers he scores are the football equivalent to porn for me.
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If we play to Rudy's strengths and help him out a bit he's going to be an asset. To be honest I'd like to see us rotate him and Ayew up top, dependant on oppostion. Yesterday was perfect for Rudy. I felt he bullied Sako all game. Other games will require the movement and pace of Ayew.
Playing floating air balls, or long punts up to Rudy does him no good. We seem to try to hit it to him early too often. Most times he has no support, or he's been out the game for 5 minutes and his touch gets rusty. If you're not in a good crossing position. Don't cross the fucking ball. This is something we're really guilty of. We were under McLeish. We were under Lambert. A fullback gets about 40-50 yards out. Has no option but to go back or throw in a deep cross. 9 times out of 10 you'll get no joy chucking in a floating, hopeful cross that the defenders will eat up, the keeper will claim, or if the striker gets his bonce on, will often struggle to get enough purchase on it.
But as we've seen in the last couple of games with Rudy. Whip in a good ball, give him something to attack and he's a menace. The second goal was class.
4 goals thus far is a good return. I don't ever see him being the sort of forward you'll remember as having played particularly well. But he just needs the right ball just once in a game and he can make a difference. He's an asset. He shouldn't be starting every game though.
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He might be a bit limited, but the headers he scores are the football equivalent to porn for me.
All three of the headers he's scored and most certainly the one yesterday have been superb. Proper centre forward stuff. It was encouraging that he got one on the deck yesterday too from a cross. I can see what Sherwood is trying to do but when it doesn't work it becomes so one dimensional as an approach.
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I think he's really good in the air so we've just got to supply the right balls in the box for him.
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Rudy is a strange one, because he is clearly quite limited as a footballer with the ball on the ground, and he's never going to score the sort of goals Benteke did last year, but I have the feeling his goals are going to be incredibly important for us this year. He should be well into double figures at this rate.
Anyone who can have a pretty average game and still bag two goals is ok with me.
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Doesn't bother me one bit his lack of mobility, he's a goalscorer with a 1 in 2 ratio. He just needs decent service. He's still getting match fit - judge him when he's fully up to speed.
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give him service and he'll score goals.
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His three headed goals have been crackers, yesterday the best of the lot. His hold up play and showing for the ball must and will improve too.
Ayew up top, on the form of the Blues game, might suit our schemers Gil, Grealish, Traore, Sinclair even Gueye better.
Only players in our squad that fiz in pacy crosses are Amavi and Bacuna. It's the classic stick and twist, do we go with wingbacks to suit Rudy or seek to integrate Ayew's better running power and mobility behind a trio of supporting forwards.
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Doesn't bother me one bit his lack of mobility, he's a goalscorer with a 1 in 2 ratio. He just needs decent service. He's still getting match fit - judge him when he's fully up to speed.
I banged on enough about how *just* scoring wasn't good enough to Bent so that rule should also be applied to Gestede. Luckily for him he cost a fraction of the amount and with his height it would not be hard for him to add something extra (even if that is just defending corners).
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It's a difficult one, he's absolute pants on the floor,
First half against Blues I actually felt embarrassed for him, then he scores
His heading is top class, but there it ends, that's your lot, if you can play to his strengths when he's on the pitch that would be great, but very limiting
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The sort of headers he's scoring though, he's making the runs, overpowering the CH and putting bullets past the keeper. It's a case of giving him good service and he's almost unstoppable in the air. There's probably half a dozen CH's in this league you could put on him who could keep him relatively quiet, but even then, it just takes one good chance. He certainly had the better of Sako yesterday.
It's about getting the right service though. But I think you need a mobile partner with him and you need to mix your play so that teams don't set up to concentrate on nullifying wide service.
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I've said this before, there are 2 types of strikers, ones who can play with their back to goal and ones that can't. All the other differences are largely insignificant in terms of play style, you either have a striker you play off who has his back to goal a lot and can bring people into play and be a focal point or you have a striker that you work around and play balls into his path. The issue is Gestede, like Kozak, looks like he should be one of the former but he's not, get the ball in front of him where he can attack it and he scores goals, he has 4 which highlight that perfectly. Play long punts up to him and expect him running into corners or winning flickons and you'll be disappointed.
Although I get your point what you are describing are just players with two different playing styles. Such as a Withe and Shaw. Both players, and ALL forwards, can play with their back to the goal as they do it for the vast majority of the 90 minutes. Where they do their best work is what you're getting at and asking Gary Shaw to win balls in the air is never going to be his forte. But every forward knows how to receive the ball with their backs to goal because they've been doing it their entire career.
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It's a difficult one, he's absolute pants on the floor,
First half against Blues I actually felt embarrassed for him, then he scores
His heading is top class, but there it ends, that's your lot, if you can play to his strengths when he's on the pitch that would be great, but very limiting
Yes, it's a very strange situation. He looks incredibly poor at everything he tries to do except head the ball, but is our top scorer.
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I think he will improve over time, could be said for a lot of our new players, crux is though do we have time to spare if we aren't grinding out points.
A gap is opening up already after just 7 games.
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We are 3 points behind where you would, if hoping to scrape by, ideally be. We need a win badly next week, and our best route to goal seems to be the head of Rudy.
As such I would go 3-5-2 and get wing backs, 3 centre halves and put Ayew up top with Gestede through the middle. Then have Grealish, Gana and Sanchez in the middle and play with width.
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Doesn't bother me one bit his lack of mobility, he's a goalscorer with a 1 in 2 ratio. He just needs decent service. He's still getting match fit - judge him when he's fully up to speed.
I banged on enough about how *just* scoring wasn't good enough to Bent so that rule should also be applied to Gestede. Luckily for him he cost a fraction of the amount and with his height it would not be hard for him to add something extra (even if that is just defending corners).
He hassles the opposition defenders to get the ball back more than Bent too.
I like him.
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From what I see he is no good in the air with long ball from defenders or goalkeeper, but he is very good at crosses and set pieces. What we need to do is improve our corners and free kick and make him study Christain Vieri, Dion Dublin, Andy Gray and Martin Laursen and Dider Drogba
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From what I see he is no good in the air with long ball from defenders or goalkeeper
A lot of that has to do with Guzan not being able to reach him. His kicks barely reach the halfway line, which makes it very hard for a striker. Guzan's kicks are floaters as well, which again makes it difficult. The striker has to make up ten yards towards his own goal and and try and compete with a player in front of him.
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I've said this before, there are 2 types of strikers, ones who can play with their back to goal and ones that can't. All the other differences are largely insignificant in terms of play style, you either have a striker you play off who has his back to goal a lot and can bring people into play and be a focal point or you have a striker that you work around and play balls into his path. The issue is Gestede, like Kozak, looks like he should be one of the former but he's not, get the ball in front of him where he can attack it and he scores goals, he has 4 which highlight that perfectly. Play long punts up to him and expect him running into corners or winning flickons and you'll be disappointed.
Although I get your point what you are describing are just players with two different playing styles. Such as a Withe and Shaw. Both players, and ALL forwards, can play with their back to the goal as they do it for the vast majority of the 90 minutes. Where they do their best work is what you're getting at and asking Gary Shaw to win balls in the air is never going to be his forte. But every forward knows how to receive the ball with their backs to goal because they've been doing it their entire career.
That's the problem, they haven't but we assume they have. That you've specifically said the bold bit suggests that you're not getting my point. A striker like Benteke is a back-to-goal striker, he wants to be involved in the play and wants to get the ball in and out to get touches and feel his way into things. Other strikers don't want or need that involvement, they're the 'facing goal' strikers that I'm talking about. Bringing them into play regularly doesn't work because they want to be making breaks away from defenders and moving people about (Gestede needs to get better at this) to open gaps. For me the 433 we're currently playing relies on a back-to-goal striker because we've got big gaps so we need someone who can hold it and wait for support. To work with Gestede we need someone central, and higher up the pitch, who can hold on to the ball and find the runs, etc. Grealish can and should be doing that job but then we need wide players who can come inside or stay wide and offer a threat so that they're offering that movement.
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From what I see he is no good in the air with long ball from defenders or goalkeeper
A lot of that has to do with Guzan not being able to reach him. His kicks barely reach the halfway line, which makes it very hard for a striker. Guzan's kicks are floaters as well, which again makes it difficult. The striker has to make up ten yards towards his own goal and and try and compete with a player in front of him.
most of it has to do with the fact that he can't jump unless he is running onto the ball when he becomes very effective. He has hardly won the ball when it is played forward from the back
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Then we should get a central forward coach to help him out. Allan Evans should be ideal as he used to play both role.
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He made the Stoke centre halves look like junior players in the cup game last year, had the pace of Josh King next to him the same day.
Maybe we should try Ayew up top next to him
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The goals are great but he appears to have two 50 pence pieces for feet.
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The goals are great but he appears to have two 50 pence pieces for feet.
Who cares as long as he scores goals.
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If his feet were a pair of heads he'd probably be the best finisher on the planet.
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The goals are great but he appears to have two 50 pence pieces for feet.
Who cares as long as he scores goals.
http://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/Derby-County-Aston-Villa-loan-striker-Darren-Bent/story-25798161-detail/story.html
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Watching him play reminds me of the Ents in Lord of the Rings, or maybe studying plate tectonics.
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Unless we are willing to appoint Fat Sam and become Wimbledon then this guy is basically useless in any build up play. He's a big head to aim things at in the box and that's it.
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No point in playing him. We provide hardly any accurate crosses and our corners are a joke. With Grealish, Ayew, Gil and Sinclair we need a holdup player who can use his feet. That ain't Gestede by any stretch.
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Gestede very much surprised me when he controlled the ball and ran at their defence from about 40yds out...his tame weak shot didn't surprise me. He's basically useless in this team if we don't supply him with good crosses and it seems we are incapable of doing that so we'd be better off playing Ayew up front and playing our football on the deck with Gil and Grealish feeding him.
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I bet Benteke is gutted he didn't listen to Tim as he's proving we know exactly how to service a big man up front.
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If we don't play to his capabilities, he is no worth to the team, we have players who can cross from wide but the shape today was shocking
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Thought that was his best game for us.
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I just don't see any pace upfront or movement that will unsettle teams. The lack of width is also a worry with no natural winger in our squad.
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Traore is there to give that but is injured all the bloody time. I agree though, we are desperately short of pace.
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I bet Benteke is gutted he didn't listen to Tim as he's proving we know exactly how to service a big man up front.
Right now we couldn't service a big man up front if we bought him season tickets for Legs 11 and Spearmint Rhino with a couple of grands worth of £10 notes taped to his cock.
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Our Rudy's on the shortlist for African Footballer of the Year. He won't win, but still. Good on 'im.
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I bet Benteke is gutted he didn't listen to Tim as he's proving we know exactly how to service a big man up front.
Right now we couldn't service a big man up front if we bought him season tickets for Legs 11 and Spearmint Rhino with a couple of grands worth of £10 notes taped to his cock.
I don't think 4 goals is a bad return for Gestede to be honest.
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I bet Benteke is gutted he didn't listen to Tim as he's proving we know exactly how to service a big man up front.
Right now we couldn't service a big man up front if we bought him season tickets for Legs 11 and Spearmint Rhino with a couple of grands worth of £10 notes taped to his cock.
I don't think 4 goals is a bad return for Gestede to be honest.
Depends if they come with painted and with nets...
Bum. Tish.
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I bet Benteke is gutted he didn't listen to Tim as he's proving we know exactly how to service a big man up front.
Right now we couldn't service a big man up front if we bought him season tickets for Legs 11 and Spearmint Rhino with a couple of grands worth of £10 notes taped to his cock.
I don't think 4 goals is a bad return for Gestede to be honest.
I'm not complaining about Gestede, he is what he is and he's pretty good at it. The fact that he's got four already is more a testament to him actually as it must represent a pretty good conversion rate.
I was /am bemoaning the fact that if you play him, you have to have the right set up around him.
Playing formations that are, in practice, only going to limit your chances of getting crosses into him are pretty brain dead to me, as is not playing someone like, oh lets Ayew, close to him so that he's got half a chance of doing something with any any ball played up to him.
Hence the we couldn't service him. He isn't letting us down, Sherwood is letting him down.
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I bet Benteke is gutted he didn't listen to Tim as he's proving we know exactly how to service a big man up front.
Right now we couldn't service a big man up front if we bought him season tickets for Legs 11 and Spearmint Rhino with a couple of grands worth of £10 notes taped to his cock.
I don't think 4 goals is a bad return for Gestede to be honest.
I'm not complaining about Gestede, he is what he is and he's pretty good at it. The fact that he's got four already is more a testament to him actually as it must represent a pretty good conversion rate.
I was /am bemoaning the fact that if you play him, you have to have the right set up around him.
Playing formations that are, in practice, only going to limit your chances of getting crosses into him are pretty brain dead to me, as is not playing someone like, oh lets Ayew, close to him so that he's got half a chance of doing something with any any ball played up to him.
Hence the we couldn't service him. He isn't letting us down, Sherwood is letting him down.
Yep. Which goes to show how clueless Sherwood is. We would probably be better off picking the line-up and tactics out of a tombola before the Chelsea game. He's not just bad with tactics, it's that he's so bad that he seems blind to what us - the fans - see and that should be laughable. Most of us will have never played the game at any respectable sort of level and here's a guy that's won the Premier League.
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I bet Benteke is gutted he didn't listen to Tim as he's proving we know exactly how to service a big man up front.
Right now we couldn't service a big man up front if we bought him season tickets for Legs 11 and Spearmint Rhino with a couple of grands worth of £10 notes taped to his cock.
I don't think 4 goals is a bad return for Gestede to be honest.
I think he's one who if he works hard at his game, could make a career for himself in the top flight, albeit the lower reaches. If he can tidy up his hold up play, his effectiveness in the air will always pies a threat.
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I think in a 4-4-2 at home, a genuine 4-4-2, you know, the winger and the full back overlapping and flinging balls across the box like it is going out of fashion, Gestede and Ayew together would be pretty great. The issue comes in Traore being our only real out and out winger. Grealish would come inside too much. Gil might hold the flank better. The central 2 would have to work their nuts off too.
But I reckon it is about our best bet at home, so at least Rudy is not isolated and there is a plan of how to get the ball in to him.
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I bet Benteke is gutted he didn't listen to Tim as he's proving we know exactly how to service a big man up front.
Right now we couldn't service a big man up front if we bought him season tickets for Legs 11 and Spearmint Rhino with a couple of grands worth of £10 notes taped to his cock.
I don't think 4 goals is a bad return for Gestede to be honest.
I agree, but the football we have to play in order to get those goals is from the Stone Age.
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I bet Benteke is gutted he didn't listen to Tim as he's proving we know exactly how to service a big man up front.
Right now we couldn't service a big man up front if we bought him season tickets for Legs 11 and Spearmint Rhino with a couple of grands worth of £10 notes taped to his cock.
I don't think 4 goals is a bad return for Gestede to be honest.
I agree, but the football we have to play in order to get those goals is from the Stone Age.
What, you mean crosses into the box?
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Headed goals from crosses are very much part of the modern game but they are not going to come from Alan Wright type crosses spooned high and deep. A top class header of the ball needs hard, low trajectory crosses he can move into for full power. Alan Hutton does not cross well and Amavi for reasons of his own appears not not want to go too far beyond the half way line after an hour.
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I agree, but the football we have to play in order to get those goals is from the Stone Age.
What, you mean crosses into the box?
There's a difference from good crosses into the box, and the hooffing it hopefully towards the goal. If there is no-one to hold on the ball, its ends up, at best, a game of ping-pong.
Rudy doesn't seem be able to hold on to the ball and so is best kept on the bench until the last 20 - 25 minutes, if the players who have some feet skills, have run out of ideas. ( though that could be after 20 mins ::))
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I bet Benteke is gutted he didn't listen to Tim as he's proving we know exactly how to service a big man up front.
Right now we couldn't service a big man up front if we bought him season tickets for Legs 11 and Spearmint Rhino with a couple of grands worth of £10 notes taped to his cock.
I don't think 4 goals is a bad return for Gestede to be honest.
I agree, but the football we have to play in order to get those goals is from the Stone Age.
What, you mean crosses into the box?
No. I mean bypassing the technically skilled midfield we just put together in favor of 40 yard lumps to a player that can't trap, turn or hold up play. It's the same thing that happened with Bent. He's good in one position a few yards from goal.
I don't know if you were alive in the 80s, but the idea of a long ball to a big man with the other striker running off him isn't going to beat modern CBs. It's sad, and it's not what Sherwood sold us when he came on.
We need dynamic striking options. I like Rudy. He's a positive personality, fairly strong and good in the air.. but he has a lot of glaring downfalls too. I've seen him complete one decent dribble. The errant traps and passes won't cut it at this level.
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I bet Benteke is gutted he didn't listen to Tim as he's proving we know exactly how to service a big man up front.
Right now we couldn't service a big man up front if we bought him season tickets for Legs 11 and Spearmint Rhino with a couple of grands worth of £10 notes taped to his cock.
I don't think 4 goals is a bad return for Gestede to be honest.
I agree, but the football we have to play in order to get those goals is from the Stone Age.
What, you mean crosses into the box?
No. I mean bypassing the technically skilled midfield we just put together in favor of 40 yard lumps to a player that can't trap, turn or hold up play. It's the same thing that happened with Bent. He's good in one position a few yards from goal.
I don't know if you were alive in the 80s, but the idea of a long ball to a big man with the other striker running off him isn't going to beat modern CBs. It's sad, and it's not what Sherwood sold us when he came on.
We need dynamic striking options. I like Rudy. He's a positive personality, fairly strong and good in the air.. but he has a lot of glaring downfalls too. I've seen him complete one decent dribble. The errant traps and passes won't cut it at this level.
Three of his four goals have come from crosses into the box, which he thrives on. His second at Liverpool was just stunning.
No, i'm not convinced he's the answer either but to call our football 'stone age' is stretching it a bit.
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I bet Benteke is gutted he didn't listen to Tim as he's proving we know exactly how to service a big man up front.
Right now we couldn't service a big man up front if we bought him season tickets for Legs 11 and Spearmint Rhino with a couple of grands worth of £10 notes taped to his cock.
I don't think 4 goals is a bad return for Gestede to be honest.
I agree, but the football we have to play in order to get those goals is from the Stone Age.
What, you mean crosses into the box?
No. I mean bypassing the technically skilled midfield we just put together in favor of 40 yard lumps to a player that can't trap, turn or hold up play. It's the same thing that happened with Bent. He's good in one position a few yards from goal.
I don't know if you were alive in the 80s, but the idea of a long ball to a big man with the other striker running off him isn't going to beat modern CBs. It's sad, and it's not what Sherwood sold us when he came on.
We need dynamic striking options. I like Rudy. He's a positive personality, fairly strong and good in the air.. but he has a lot of glaring downfalls too. I've seen him complete one decent dribble. The errant traps and passes won't cut it at this level.
Three of his four goals have come from crosses into the box, which he thrives on. His second at Liverpool was just stunning.
No, i'm not convinced he's the answer either but to call our football 'stone age' is stretching it a bit.
When your main striker had absolutely no involvement in the build up it's a problem. The same "problem" we had with Bent and the guy was a goal machine. He has to add more to his game.
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I bet Benteke is gutted he didn't listen to Tim as he's proving we know exactly how to service a big man up front.
Right now we couldn't service a big man up front if we bought him season tickets for Legs 11 and Spearmint Rhino with a couple of grands worth of £10 notes taped to his cock.
I don't think 4 goals is a bad return for Gestede to be honest.
I agree, but the football we have to play in order to get those goals is from the Stone Age.
What, you mean crosses into the box?
No. I mean bypassing the technically skilled midfield we just put together in favor of 40 yard lumps to a player that can't trap, turn or hold up play. It's the same thing that happened with Bent. He's good in one position a few yards from goal.
I don't know if you were alive in the 80s, but the idea of a long ball to a big man with the other striker running off him isn't going to beat modern CBs. It's sad, and it's not what Sherwood sold us when he came on.
We need dynamic striking options. I like Rudy. He's a positive personality, fairly strong and good in the air.. but he has a lot of glaring downfalls too. I've seen him complete one decent dribble. The errant traps and passes won't cut it at this level.
Three of his four goals have come from crosses into the box, which he thrives on. His second at Liverpool was just stunning.
No, i'm not convinced he's the answer either but to call our football 'stone age' is stretching it a bit.
When your main striker had absolutely no involvement in the build up it's a problem. The same "problem" we had with Bent and the guy was a goal machine. He has to add more to his game.
So a striker has to be involved in every goal he scores? What rubbish. He was on the end of it and a bloody good finish it was too.
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When your main striker had absolutely no involvement in the build up it's a problem. The same "problem" we had with Bent and the guy was a goal machine. He has to add more to his game.
One of the stranger things i've ever read on here
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I bet Benteke is gutted he didn't listen to Tim as he's proving we know exactly how to service a big man up front.
Right now we couldn't service a big man up front if we bought him season tickets for Legs 11 and Spearmint Rhino with a couple of grands worth of £10 notes taped to his cock.
I don't think 4 goals is a bad return for Gestede to be honest.
I agree, but the football we have to play in order to get those goals is from the Stone Age.
What, you mean crosses into the box?
No. I mean bypassing the technically skilled midfield we just put together in favor of 40 yard lumps to a player that can't trap, turn or hold up play. It's the same thing that happened with Bent. He's good in one position a few yards from goal.
I don't know if you were alive in the 80s, but the idea of a long ball to a big man with the other striker running off him isn't going to beat modern CBs. It's sad, and it's not what Sherwood sold us when he came on.
We need dynamic striking options. I like Rudy. He's a positive personality, fairly strong and good in the air.. but he has a lot of glaring downfalls too. I've seen him complete one decent dribble. The errant traps and passes won't cut it at this level.
Three of his four goals have come from crosses into the box, which he thrives on. His second at Liverpool was just stunning.
No, i'm not convinced he's the answer either but to call our football 'stone age' is stretching it a bit.
When your main striker had absolutely no involvement in the build up it's a problem. The same "problem" we had with Bent and the guy was a goal machine. He has to add more to his game.
So a striker has to be involved in every goal he scores? What rubbish. He was on the end of it and a bloody good finish it was too.
Read please.
When a striker has no value in possession or build up play we run in to the same problem we had with Darren. Involved in every goal? Did I say anything of the sort? The lead up to a goal is 30 seconds of a match. I'm concerned about the other 89 minutes and 95 yards of the pitch.
Does he pass well, does he control the ball well, can he turn and beat a defender? Most premier league strikers can. We are depending on a striker that is another "fox in the box" and needs to become more technically sound.
Come on kid, read what I wrote not what you want.
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I know what your trying to say and to an extent I agree, but saying it's a problem that he's not been involved in the build up to his goals is bizarre.
Oh and I was alive in the 80's. I've got the Goombay Dance Band on 12''.
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When your main striker had absolutely no involvement in the build up it's a problem. The same "problem" we had with Bent and the guy was a goal machine. He has to add more to his game.
One of the stranger things i've ever read on here
I can see how that could be contradictive, but Bent had great outside players feeding him well placed balls. We don't have near the same caliber doing that now. When Bent lost Downing and Ashley he was "lazy and one dimensional"
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Bent was never the same after that injury at Wigan, so it was more down to him not even being able to do the one thing he was good at that led to the criticism. He got very little stick when he was banging them in.
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Bent was never the same after that injury at Wigan, so it was more down to him not even being able to do the one thing he was good at that led to the criticism. He got very little stick when he was banging them in.
He was also surrounded by England internationals in his prime with the club.
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ffs Rudy is now injured according the the mail...
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/rudy-gestede-returns-aston-villa-10452554
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ffs Rudy is now injured according the the mail...
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/rudy-gestede-returns-aston-villa-10452554
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I was going to suggest that we get Callum Robinson back from Bristol City, if we can ,and play him upfront with Ayew or Gestede. Having said that Robinson has hardly featured for them either in the team or the match day squad. I thought he had something. Very popular on loan at Preston.
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Sadly I think the big lads one of the worst I've ever seen up the Villa
I honestly would prefer Heskey or Harewood that's how bad he is
Even his heading is poor now, I don't think there is any hope of him developing into what we need, we desperately need a striker in the window
Edit- sorry for the negative post, just being honest
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I just can't believe he's as poor as he's been. There must be more to him than he's shown.
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gestede is shit
for a big lump he is as threatening as a six year old girl
i wouldnt even have him in the squad, try traore, kozak, hepburn murphy or robinson or any kid out of the academy
at 27 he aint going to improve one iota fuck me the one good chance he had he tried to hit the corner flag
he is an embarrasment but when he gets a regular start it shows what we have become
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We signed a mid table Championship clubs player as our replacement for one of the best Strikers we've had and with that thinking it's why we've become comically terrible. He's shit, file him with the rest of the tat we've cleverly bought the last 6 years as cheap replacements for quality players.
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I just can't believe he's as poor as he's been. There must be more to him than he's shown.
I know two Blackburn season ticket holders and when we signed him they said they wished it had been Rhodes who left as they really rated him.
I realise now they are idiots.
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We signed a mid table Championship clubs player as our replacement for one of the best Strikers we've had and with that thinking it's why we've become comically terrible. He's shit, file him with the rest of the tat we've cleverly bought the last 6 years as cheap replacements for quality players.
spot on, fuck me traore would scare the shit out of most centre halves and we keep playing him and sinclair
traore and ayew is the way forward
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His best performance so far.
If with some decent coaching he can simplify his game to just laying off the ball, and being a total threat from some half decent supply, then he's got a chance, and could start by swinging a couple of results for us coming off the bench.
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His best performance so far.
If with some decent coaching he can simplify his game to just laying off the ball, and being a total threat from some half decent supply, then he's got a chance, and could start by swinging a couple of results for us coming off the bench.
the crossing was a lot better today which can only help. He's a one dimensional player but today was a good situation for him and he very nearly won it for us.
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I agreed, he made an impact when coming on today, the Newcastle back 4 couldn't handle him.
Him being too slow to get on the end of that fantastic Ayew cross though does show his limitations but I was happy with what I saw today.
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His best performance so far.
If with some decent coaching he can simplify his game to just laying off the ball, and being a total threat from some half decent supply, then he's got a chance, and could start by swinging a couple of results for us coming off the bench.
I think the key bit is "off the bench". If we start with him then their defence does not have to move about enough.
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I just can't believe he's as poor as he's been. There must be more to him than he's shown.
I know two Blackburn season ticket holders and when we signed him they said they wished it had been Rhodes who left as they really rated him.
I realise now they are idiots.
My mate is a rovers fan and he was gutted when we bought Gestede...add your own punchline.
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We signed a mid table Championship clubs player as our replacement for one of the best Strikers we've had and with that thinking it's why we've become comically terrible. He's shit, file him with the rest of the tat we've cleverly bought the last 6 years as cheap replacements for quality players.
spot on, fuck me traore would scare the shit out of most centre halves and we keep playing him and sinclair
traore and ayew is the way forward
Traore is not a centre forward though is he? I would have started him today as have to say that Newcastle left back Dummitt (apt name) is worse than me and I am 52.
I thought Gestede did well today, held the ball up far better IMO. The pitch was shite and we had to play longer at times.
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Used correctly he's a useful impact sub but we need better starters.
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I think he can start the game but like many strikers of differing styles he needs the right kind of service to make the most of his game...like Bent, Gabby(?), Carew, Angel...
We were launching it upfield throughout the game today and Ayew couldn't compete...Gestede could...and does that target man role so much better...and it worked. I don't see why that has to be confined to being "a useful impact sub".
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Gestede is a lamp post. Unless the cross is perfect he doesn't anticipate. He did well against two central defenders who needed to be more occupied but boy is his movement poor! He gave Newcastle something different to worry about and freed up Ayew, so fair play to the change because it helped. However, movement in the box has to be so much better.
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We signed a mid table Championship clubs player as our replacement for one of the best Strikers we've had and with that thinking it's why we've become comically terrible. He's shit, file him with the rest of the tat we've cleverly bought the last 6 years as cheap replacements for quality players.
spot on, fuck me traore would scare the shit out of most centre halves and we keep playing him and sinclair
traore and ayew is the way forward
Traore is not a centre forward though is he? I would have started him today as have to say that Newcastle left back Dummitt (apt name) is worse than me and I am 52.
I thought Gestede did well today, held the ball up far better IMO. The pitch was shite and we had to play longer at times.
why cant he be one of a two with ayew? exploit the gaps between the centre half and full back. we are walking towards relegation we need to be trying anything that gives us an edge
i disagree that gestede can be coached, what he cant do now he will never be able to do
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Can trap a ball further than i go on holiday
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I let out a little groan when he came on yesterday but I thought he was great and caused them a few problems. That's where I think he's best though, coming on as an impact sub.
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In the shower of shit news coming out of Villa Park all week it's good to read something positive for once. When you've got the likes of Gabby acting the prick and Okore refusing to play well done Rudy Gestede.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cgq14aNUkAEcdqk.jpg:large)
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When we get upset at our players it's important to remember they are not all wankers. We just have more of them than other teams which casts a shadow of any good things that we still do.
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Nice one Rudy.
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That is amazing and how good to read something nice about our players.
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Hope he can be a big player for us in the Championship
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A lot of players do plenty of stuff with no publicity etc. They go to hospitals, schools and so on in their own time. A lot of them aren't wankers, sadly it's like anything in life, the bad get more publicity so we start to think most players are twats.
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Hope he can be a big player for us in the Championship
Im fairly confident he will be, and his hair looks a lot better too.
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fair play for what he's done there
as for him having a decent season in the championship im 50/50, one good season for blackburn apart his goalscoring record is appalling
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Everybody who helps that cause does incredible work.
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Well done Rudy, thanks for showing that some of the players are still in touch with the real world.
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Well done Rudi.
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Good lad Rudy. Not a good player, but works hard and I'd keep him at the club. We need some good characters.
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Well done Rudy
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For anyone interested in the very worthy cause. Rudy even turned up with a couple of tubs of food to help feed folks.
https://www.facebook.com/Help-The-Homeless-And-Needy-Birmingham-656562641116154/
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2 sugars and a drop of milk thank you Rudy
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When I saw in the Recent Posts column Rudy Gestede's thread I was drawn to thinking that yet another player had been a bit of a dick. How wrong I was. This is so refreshing to read.
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Fair play rudy. ..perhaps you could have a chat with flabby and Richards. W
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Top drawer from Rudy.
I like Gestede. I really feel for him too because the managers this season haven't done him any favours. It's fair to say that Rudy is a very limited player. He obviously wasn't the replacement for Benteke. I feel he was more likely bought in as a squad player and we missed out on our main targets last summer (which clearly included Adebeyor). But we've not really set up in a way to get the best out of him. We've played without width. We've played without a wideman. Grealish can play wide. Traore seems to be a chalk booted winger but those two have barely featured. Rudy gets no service. He wins most of his aerial duels too but never has anyone near him because of the dip shit tactics we've employed. The full-backs are really the only ones who look to provide width and crosses but of course we're not blessed with fullbacks who can beat a man and cross, with the exception of Amavi who has missed most of the season.
We've often asked too much of Gestede and on top of that not actually done enough to play to his abilities. He's had a tough old slog of it but one thing he's always done is to try. I always feel that Rudy gives his best. He's looked fitter as the season has worn on. Early season he was clearly getting up to swing after an injury he was recovering from at Blackburn.
Gestede is one player I actually want us to keep for next season. For one, he appears to have the right attitude, and for another, if we get even a half decent manager, they will know how to utilize Gestede to his full potential and perhaps we'll sign 1-2 wingers to supply Gestede and any other forward we may sign. But the way we've set up and the way we've played the vast majority of this season, we might as well not have played Rudy.
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Top drawer from Rudy.
I like Gestede. I really feel for him too because the managers this season haven't done him any favours. It's fair to say that Rudy is a very limited player. He obviously wasn't the replacement for Benteke. I feel he was more likely bought in as a squad player and we missed out on our main targets last summer (which clearly included Adebeyor). But we've not really set up in a way to get the best out of him. We've played without width. We've played without a wideman. Grealish can play wide. Traore seems to be a chalk booted winger but those two have barely featured. Rudy gets no service. He wins most of his aerial duels too but never has anyone near him because of the dip shit tactics we've employed. The full-backs are really the only ones who look to provide width and crosses but of course we're not blessed with fullbacks who can beat a man and cross, with the exception of Amavi who has missed most of the season.
We've often asked too much of Gestede and on top of that not actually done enough to play to his abilities. He's had a tough old slog of it but one thing he's always done is to try. I always feel that Rudy gives his best. He's looked fitter as the season has worn on. Early season he was clearly getting up to swing after an injury he was recovering from at Blackburn.
Gestede is one player I actually want us to keep for next season. For one, he appears to have the right attitude, and for another, if we get even a half decent manager, they will know how to utilize Gestede to his full potential and perhaps we'll sign 1-2 wingers to supply Gestede and any other forward we may sign. But the way we've set up and the way we've played the vast majority of this season, we might as well not have played Rudy.
Agree with every word ST
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Top drawer from Rudy.
I like Gestede. I really feel for him too because the managers this season haven't done him any favours. It's fair to say that Rudy is a very limited player. He obviously wasn't the replacement for Benteke. I feel he was more likely bought in as a squad player and we missed out on our main targets last summer (which clearly included Adebeyor). But we've not really set up in a way to get the best out of him. We've played without width. We've played without a wideman. Grealish can play wide. Traore seems to be a chalk booted winger but those two have barely featured. Rudy gets no service. He wins most of his aerial duels too but never has anyone near him because of the dip shit tactics we've employed. The full-backs are really the only ones who look to provide width and crosses but of course we're not blessed with fullbacks who can beat a man and cross, with the exception of Amavi who has missed most of the season.
We've often asked too much of Gestede and on top of that not actually done enough to play to his abilities. He's had a tough old slog of it but one thing he's always done is to try. I always feel that Rudy gives his best. He's looked fitter as the season has worn on. Early season he was clearly getting up to swing after an injury he was recovering from at Blackburn.
Gestede is one player I actually want us to keep for next season. For one, he appears to have the right attitude, and for another, if we get even a half decent manager, they will know how to utilize Gestede to his full potential and perhaps we'll sign 1-2 wingers to supply Gestede and any other forward we may sign. But the way we've set up and the way we've played the vast majority of this season, we might as well not have played Rudy.
Agree with every word ST
Indeed.
I think the full backs even more than the wingers. You don't even need to beat a man, just get it in early into roughly the right area, and give the big fella a chance to attack it. We really have missed Amavi in that regard.
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A decent human being. Something I'd like said about me.
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I think the comment Dave D that makes about missing Amavi is a big thing. The lad has a good cross and Gestede can head a ball for sure and will be a massive threat in the championship with good service. His actions show he is a decent person. As someone who used to do the soup run in London, you do see some sights. I was at a conference in Brum town hall the last couple of days and went for a walk round the centre last night and was amazed to see how many people were on the streets
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I think the comment Dave D that makes about missing Amavi is a big thing. The lad has a good cross and Gestede can head a ball for sure and will be a massive threat in the championship with good service. His actions show he is a decent person. As someone who used to do the soup run in London, you do see some sights. I was at a conference in Brum town hall the last couple of days and went for a walk round the centre last night and was amazed to see how many people were on the streets
Seems a noticeable increase in the last 5 years in just about every major urban area
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I've liked him from the start despite his limitations because if you play to his strengths he'll score, simple as that. Get Amavi providing from the left with someone else I the right and he'll bang them in next season. First name on the team sheet for the opening day as things stand at the moment.
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Top man.
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Well done, good man. Nice to see after reading about Okore last night.
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Don't get why so many are on Rudy's back. Sure, he isn't Benteke, but how is Tekkers doing at the moment? Rudy would be a monster if the morons who 'manage' our club played football to suit his strengths - ie real wing play. Remember the night we beat Blues, nothing happening until Grealish finally came on, got wide, and whipped it in early. Bang, one nil.
Doesn't matter how good you are if your manager doesn't set the team up to suit you - ask Benteke.
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Top drawer from Rudy.
I like Gestede. I really feel for him too because the managers this season haven't done him any favours. It's fair to say that Rudy is a very limited player. He obviously wasn't the replacement for Benteke. I feel he was more likely bought in as a squad player and we missed out on our main targets last summer (which clearly included Adebeyor). But we've not really set up in a way to get the best out of him. We've played without width. We've played without a wideman. Grealish can play wide. Traore seems to be a chalk booted winger but those two have barely featured. Rudy gets no service. He wins most of his aerial duels too but never has anyone near him because of the dip shit tactics we've employed. The full-backs are really the only ones who look to provide width and crosses but of course we're not blessed with fullbacks who can beat a man and cross, with the exception of Amavi who has missed most of the season.
We've often asked too much of Gestede and on top of that not actually done enough to play to his abilities. He's had a tough old slog of it but one thing he's always done is to try. I always feel that Rudy gives his best. He's looked fitter as the season has worn on. Early season he was clearly getting up to swing after an injury he was recovering from at Blackburn.
Gestede is one player I actually want us to keep for next season. For one, he appears to have the right attitude, and for another, if we get even a half decent manager, they will know how to utilize Gestede to his full potential and perhaps we'll sign 1-2 wingers to supply Gestede and any other forward we may sign. But the way we've set up and the way we've played the vast majority of this season, we might as well not have played Rudy.
He was never going to replace Benteke and he is a very limited player in the top flight. However, when he has come on in the latter stages of games, he has been a handful and has chipped in with a few goals. If we had other options, I don't think he would be an automatic starter for us (even next season), but I do think he is a useful player to bring on and change things a bit.
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Top drawer from Rudy.
I like Gestede. I really feel for him too because the managers this season haven't done him any favours. It's fair to say that Rudy is a very limited player. He obviously wasn't the replacement for Benteke. I feel he was more likely bought in as a squad player and we missed out on our main targets last summer (which clearly included Adebeyor). But we've not really set up in a way to get the best out of him. We've played without width. We've played without a wideman. Grealish can play wide. Traore seems to be a chalk booted winger but those two have barely featured. Rudy gets no service. He wins most of his aerial duels too but never has anyone near him because of the dip shit tactics we've employed. The full-backs are really the only ones who look to provide width and crosses but of course we're not blessed with fullbacks who can beat a man and cross, with the exception of Amavi who has missed most of the season.
We've often asked too much of Gestede and on top of that not actually done enough to play to his abilities. He's had a tough old slog of it but one thing he's always done is to try. I always feel that Rudy gives his best. He's looked fitter as the season has worn on. Early season he was clearly getting up to swing after an injury he was recovering from at Blackburn.
Gestede is one player I actually want us to keep for next season. For one, he appears to have the right attitude, and for another, if we get even a half decent manager, they will know how to utilize Gestede to his full potential and perhaps we'll sign 1-2 wingers to supply Gestede and any other forward we may sign. But the way we've set up and the way we've played the vast majority of this season, we might as well not have played Rudy.
Agree with every word ST
Indeed.
I think the full backs even more than the wingers. You don't even need to beat a man, just get it in early into roughly the right area, and give the big fella a chance to attack it. We really have missed Amavi in that regard.
Mike Pejic (another we lost to injury) was great at crossing the ball and he very rarely had to beat a player to get a cross in. However, Gestede needs the ball to be coming in from the side of the penalty area so that he can attack it head on. I think we should keep him but not as the main striker and we certainly need to play with a wide attacking player that can cross the ball.
I think he has taken stick more for the player he is not, rather for who he is, if that makes sense. That is down to the Club for not buying a better player.
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Top drawer from Rudy.
I like Gestede. I really feel for him too because the managers this season haven't done him any favours. It's fair to say that Rudy is a very limited player. He obviously wasn't the replacement for Benteke. I feel he was more likely bought in as a squad player and we missed out on our main targets last summer (which clearly included Adebeyor). But we've not really set up in a way to get the best out of him. We've played without width. We've played without a wideman. Grealish can play wide. Traore seems to be a chalk booted winger but those two have barely featured. Rudy gets no service. He wins most of his aerial duels too but never has anyone near him because of the dip shit tactics we've employed. The full-backs are really the only ones who look to provide width and crosses but of course we're not blessed with fullbacks who can beat a man and cross, with the exception of Amavi who has missed most of the season.
We've often asked too much of Gestede and on top of that not actually done enough to play to his abilities. He's had a tough old slog of it but one thing he's always done is to try. I always feel that Rudy gives his best. He's looked fitter as the season has worn on. Early season he was clearly getting up to swing after an injury he was recovering from at Blackburn.
Gestede is one player I actually want us to keep for next season. For one, he appears to have the right attitude, and for another, if we get even a half decent manager, they will know how to utilize Gestede to his full potential and perhaps we'll sign 1-2 wingers to supply Gestede and any other forward we may sign. But the way we've set up and the way we've played the vast majority of this season, we might as well not have played Rudy.
He was never going to replace Benteke and he is a very limited player in the top flight. However, when he has come on in the latter stages of games, he has been a handful and has chipped in with a few goals. If we had other options, I don't think he would be an automatic starter for us (even next season), but I do think he is a useful player to bring on and change things a bit.
Was meant as more of a replacement for Kozak I suspect
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Most improved player of the admittedly-shite season?
I'm not a fan his, but I think since the start of the season he seems to have 1. Got fitter, 2. Improved his first touch, and 3. Started to bring other players into play.
Respect to him.
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He's wasted when he is played in a side that hasn't been set up to provide him with service. He's a very limited player but effective enough when the crossing is good.
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I like Rudy I've decided. He's not great, but he puts a shift in and seems to care. He's worth keeping.
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I like Rudy I've decided. He's not great, but he puts a shift in and seems to care. He's worth keeping.
This........200% if (and its a big if) we can get him some service he will score 15+ goals next season
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He's not had much service but when he has he's tended to miss, like today when Ayew i think, set him up.
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Like others on here,i think Gestede will get goals next season if we have a manager who has the tactical nous to play to his strength and actually give him some service
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Top drawer from Rudy.
I like Gestede. I really feel for him too because the managers this season haven't done him any favours. It's fair to say that Rudy is a very limited player. He obviously wasn't the replacement for Benteke. I feel he was more likely bought in as a squad player and we missed out on our main targets last summer (which clearly included Adebeyor). But we've not really set up in a way to get the best out of him. We've played without width. We've played without a wideman. Grealish can play wide. Traore seems to be a chalk booted winger but those two have barely featured. Rudy gets no service. He wins most of his aerial duels too but never has anyone near him because of the dip shit tactics we've employed. The full-backs are really the only ones who look to provide width and crosses but of course we're not blessed with fullbacks who can beat a man and cross, with the exception of Amavi who has missed most of the season.
We've often asked too much of Gestede and on top of that not actually done enough to play to his abilities. He's had a tough old slog of it but one thing he's always done is to try. I always feel that Rudy gives his best. He's looked fitter as the season has worn on. Early season he was clearly getting up to swing after an injury he was recovering from at Blackburn.
Gestede is one player I actually want us to keep for next season. For one, he appears to have the right attitude, and for another, if we get even a half decent manager, they will know how to utilize Gestede to his full potential and perhaps we'll sign 1-2 wingers to supply Gestede and any other forward we may sign. But the way we've set up and the way we've played the vast majority of this season, we might as well not have played Rudy.
He was never going to replace Benteke and he is a very limited player in the top flight. However, when he has come on in the latter stages of games, he has been a handful and has chipped in with a few goals. If we had other options, I don't think he would be an automatic starter for us (even next season), but I do think he is a useful player to bring on and change things a bit.
Was meant as more of a replacement for Kozak I suspect
Yes, with Adebayor in for Benteke. Hmm, not sure we'd have been all that much better off if Tim had got his man.
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Like others on here,i think Gestede will get goals next season if we have a manager who has the tactical nous to play to his strength and actually give him some service
Someone needs to come in as Manager and either bring those players with him or know who to target confidently because we just don't have them now
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Will always have the stigma of being Benteke's replacement in the season we went down....although more a massive cock up by the club and Sherwood.
Still I see no reason not to keep him next season, he knows the division and can score in it at least.
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Most improved player of the admittedly-shite season?
I'm not a fan his, but I think since the start of the season he seems to have 1. Got fitter, 2. Improved his first touch, and 3. Started to bring other players into play.
Respect to him.
It's a shame it's taken him until today to bring those three improvements into his game. For the first time I'm actually starting to think he may serve a purpose next season, whether or not he can lead the line every week is another matter but there are certainly positives to be taken from his display today.
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Will always have the stigma of being Benteke's replacement in the season we went down....although more a massive cock up by the club and Sherwood.
Still I see no reason not to keep him next season, he knows the division and can score in it at least.
Rudy is what he is, a header of the ball who has been up against Premier defences who shut out players like him week in week out. If he had some threats around him and the ball was played past the first man (if at all) it might have been different for him. He is what people call an "honest" player I think. I bear him no ill-will as he has never shirked his responsibilities in the team despite being a limited footballer skill-wise. I hope he smashes 20 goals next season
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One trick Donkey and not even very good at that trick.
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One trick Donkey and not even very good at that trick.
How do you know. It's not like he gets any decent service now is it?
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He's not had much service but when he has he's tended to miss, like today when Ayew i think, set him up.
I like Rudy but that shot landed somewhere near Aylesbury
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I wonder if they ducked in Aylesbury.
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One trick Donkey and not even very good at that trick.
How do you know. It's not like he gets any decent service now is it?
He doesn't need service to be able to control a football. He's as mobile as a glacier.
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One trick Donkey and not even very good at that trick.
How do you know. It's not like he gets any decent service now is it?
He doesn't need service to be able to control a football. He's as mobile as a glacier.
I take it you didn't see the game today?
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One trick Donkey and not even very good at that trick.
How do you know. It's not like he gets any decent service now is it?
He doesn't need service to be able to control a football. He's as mobile as a glacier.
I take it you didn't see the game today?
If his one trick is scoring headed goals, I'd go as far to say he's very good at it.
He needs decent service and we play without wingers, no fault of his.
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He can trap it further than I can kick it.
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You won't see a many headed goals better than his against Liverpool this season. He's certainly limited but what almighty balls up signing him with all the players signed this summer. We never had width, we never bought width so why Tim did you do it!
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He can trap it further than I can kick it.
the bloke is a donkey.
yes he is okay now and again with his head when running on to the ball but the rest of his game is fucking appalling. for such a big lump the bloke is a pussy
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I'd keep him next season for sure. In fact, I'd go as far as saying we should build a team around him i.e. sign players to compliment his strengths and cross a bloody ball.
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I'd keep him next season for sure. In fact, I'd go as far as saying we should build a team around him i.e. sign players to compliment his strengths and cross a bloody ball.
Yeah we need to be playing with a winger. Keep Rudy. Sign another front man with pace who can run in behind and will score at that level. If you look at Leicester they are brilliantly effective at utilizing Vardy. The amount of times they've set him clear with an early ball in behind is amazing. And they can flip their style if needs be too as they've made good use of Ulloa since the turn of the year, who has become a very effective impact player.
We've not helped Rudy at all because we almost never have anyone playing wide when he's up front. We play so narrow and our fullbacks can't deliver in the absence.
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He can trap it further than I can kick it.
the bloke is a donkey.
yes he is okay now and again with his head when running on to the ball but the rest of his game is fucking appalling. for such a big lump the bloke is a pussy
Didn't see the game yesterday then?
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My opinion is the guy has his limitations but we've done him no favours with the service he's received. Playing with no width has killed him.
Of course he's not top quality. But we've hung him out to dry too many times.
A pacy guy around him would help.
Also think he wasn't supposed to be the answer to Benteke, just part of the frontline.
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He can trap it further than I can kick it.
the bloke is a donkey.
yes he is okay now and again with his head when running on to the ball but the rest of his game is fucking appalling. for such a big lump the bloke is a pussy
Didn't see the game yesterday then?
one swallow doesnt make a summer
the bulk of home games he has been shit, immobile, ponderous and for such a big bloke he has the physial presence of an 8 year old girl
having players like him, westwood and bacuna regularly starting leads to one thing
our current league position
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Think he needs a move away. And I think he'll get goals. He just needs players around him more. We're rubbish from back to front with no players above the level of average.
Who's in the team that can consistently crosses ball to any forward?
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Think he needs a move away. And I think he'll get goals. He just needs players around him more. We're rubbish from back to front with no players above the level of average.
Who's in the team that can consistently crosses ball to any forward?
Not in the team...on the bench or the reserves...:(
Traore could. Grealish could. We really have to make good signings. You can be half reasonable as a winger and do very well in the championship. Provided we go about things the right way, Gestede can still score goals for us.
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His touch was nice when he set-up Ayew yesterday. God knows why Gestede and Ayew haven't played together more often - they could be a good partnership and would have given us a chance of getting goals.
We need to get used to having limited players but finding ways of making the most of them.
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He can trap it further than I can kick it.
the bloke is a donkey.
yes he is okay now and again with his head when running on to the ball but the rest of his game is fucking appalling. for such a big lump the bloke is a pussy
Didn't see the game yesterday then?
one swallow doesnt make a summer
the bulk of home games he has been shit, immobile, ponderous and for such a big bloke he has the physial presence of an 8 year old girl
It doesn't and I agree he's been poor with so many aspects of his game which is why I was left with my mouth wide open numerous times yesterday wondering who the hell was wearing Gestede shirt, as he could control, pass and move. Just maybe, he's not as bad as he pretends to be.
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He can trap it further than I can kick it.
the bloke is a donkey.
yes he is okay now and again with his head when running on to the ball but the rest of his game is fucking appalling. for such a big lump the bloke is a pussy
Didn't see the game yesterday then?
one swallow doesnt make a summer
the bulk of home games he has been shit, immobile, ponderous and for such a big bloke he has the physial presence of an 8 year old girl
It doesn't and I agree he's been poor with so many aspects of his game which is why I was left with my mouth wide open numerous times yesterday wondering who the hell was wearing Gestede shirt, as he could control, pass and move. Just maybe, he's not as bad as he pretends to be.
Confidence is a big part of it too I guess. We weren't as hopeless as usual yesterday and we're down now anyway so that pressure (without wanting to quote Joleon) has gone.
Gestede will do just fine in the Championship. Apart from anything else he seems like a good guy and he tries. He's not Premiership quality, but I like him. He's one we should be keeping. Remove the weasils and we'll be much better.
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I still think he's shit.
Fortunately, we're headed for a shit league, so he'll fit right in.
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Most improved player of the admittedly-shite season?
I'm not a fan his, but I think since the start of the season he seems to have 1. Got fitter, 2. Improved his first touch, and 3. Started to bring other players into play.
Respect to him.
This ;D
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His touch was nice when he set-up Ayew yesterday. God knows why Gestede and Ayew haven't played together more often - they could be a good partnership and would have given us a chance of getting goals.
We need to get used to having limited players but finding ways of making the most of them.
I have said this time and again, we need to go back to basics and Gestede and Ayew up top together is one part of the solution going forward, expect Ayew will be off to a Southampton/West Ham (shudder) team in the summer
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His touch was nice when he set-up Ayew yesterday. God knows why Gestede and Ayew haven't played together more often - they could be a good partnership and would have given us a chance of getting goals.
We need to get used to having limited players but finding ways of making the most of them.
I have said this time and again, we need to go back to basics and Gestede and Ayew up top together is one part of the solution going forward, expect Ayew will be off to a Southampton/West Ham (shudder) team in the summer
Yep. To be fair to them, given they've played for such a monumentally shite Villa side they've done well to score 12 goals between them. I would absolutely love for Ayew to stay because he'd bang in 25 goals in the championship but he's far too good for that league. Shame as I really like him.
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He can trap it further than I can kick it.
the bloke is a donkey.
yes he is okay now and again with his head when running on to the ball but the rest of his game is fucking appalling. for such a big lump the bloke is a pussy
Didn't see the game yesterday then?
one swallow doesnt make a summer
the bulk of home games he has been shit, immobile, ponderous and for such a big bloke he has the physial presence of an 8 year old girl
It doesn't and I agree he's been poor with so many aspects of his game which is why I was left with my mouth wide open numerous times yesterday wondering who the hell was wearing Gestede shirt, as he could control, pass and move. Just maybe, he's not as bad as he pretends to be.
I thought he did quite well against West Ham at our gaffe, and said as much on the post match thread. Won most of the aerial challenges, held the ball up well and used it fairly efficiently.
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I have no problem with him at all, he has limited ability but try's hard.
Hopefully will be decent next year if we work out how to cross the ball.
Keep.
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Most improved player of the admittedly-shite season?
I'm not a fan his, but I think since the start of the season he seems to have 1. Got fitter, 2. Improved his first touch, and 3. Started to bring other players into play.
Respect to him.
This ;D
Absolutely agree - I think he is a better player now than when he joined
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Not really my idea of a Villa striker in all honesty, but he's proven at that level, so I'd keep hold of him for next season and try and play to his strength.
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I think he's more of a one season wonder than proven to be honest.
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I'm not a big fan of him, I must admit. However, in the list of people to move on, he's very low down. It might be worth seeing how he does.
If we bought in Crouch, with Gestede and probably Kozak still at the club when he's fit, that would be a decent selection of target man style forwards for the championship. Bring in a couple of pacy forwards with Robinson plus the young strikers as back-up and that would do the job.
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If Gestede is going to a regular starter and hopefully goalscorer as a result, then we have to play in one way, and one way only. 4-4-2 with wingers banging cross after cross in, with fairly attacking but hardworking full backs in support. Amavi if he's fit enough and stays around would be the first bit of this jigsaw. Personally though, I'd rather see a proper all round goal scorer with some pace in the team, as we'd then have a chance of them continuing to do well if we do go back up.
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I agree Risso but I think if you get Pearson we will be doing exactly what you describe. Gestede and McCormavk as a 2 with width supplying them might well be enough to win a lot of games though.
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He can trap it further than I can kick it.
the bloke is a donkey.
yes he is okay now and again with his head when running on to the ball but the rest of his game is fucking appalling. for such a big lump the bloke is a pussy
Didn't see the game yesterday then?
one swallow doesnt make a summer
the bulk of home games he has been shit, immobile, ponderous and for such a big bloke he has the physial presence of an 8 year old girl
It doesn't and I agree he's been poor with so many aspects of his game which is why I was left with my mouth wide open numerous times yesterday wondering who the hell was wearing Gestede shirt, as he could control, pass and move. Just maybe, he's not as bad as he pretends to be.
I thought he did quite well against West Ham at our gaffe, and said as much on the post match thread. Won most of the aerial challenges, held the ball up well and used it fairly efficiently.
He played alright but did miss two sitters with his head.
Amavi's injury hurt him as he's the best crosser at the club as we saw with a few assists early on this season.
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He can trap it further than I can kick it.
the bloke is a donkey.
yes he is okay now and again with his head when running on to the ball but the rest of his game is fucking appalling. for such a big lump the bloke is a pussy
Didn't see the game yesterday then?
one swallow doesnt make a summer
the bulk of home games he has been shit, immobile, ponderous and for such a big bloke he has the physial presence of an 8 year old girl
It doesn't and I agree he's been poor with so many aspects of his game which is why I was left with my mouth wide open numerous times yesterday wondering who the hell was wearing Gestede shirt, as he could control, pass and move. Just maybe, he's not as bad as he pretends to be.
I thought he did quite well against West Ham at our gaffe, and said as much on the post match thread. Won most of the aerial challenges, held the ball up well and used it fairly efficiently.
He played alright but did miss two sitters with his head.
Amavi's injury hurt him as he's the best crosser at the club as we saw with a few assists early on this season.
agree with that, if we can keep hold of amavi he needs to be a left sided midielder as a left back he aint
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I gave him the "he can trap it further than I can kick it' comment earlier but to be fair to him we have not played anywhere near to his strengths, it would be really interesting to find out if we have the lowest amount of crosses in the division.
If we get a manager who believes in wingers and playing a partner alongside Rudy he may be just what we want in the chumpanship.
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Depends what you count as a cross. If you're only counting staying in AND clearing the first defender AND being within five yards of someone in a Villa shirt, you could be looking at single figures.
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Yeah those are the ones, thought so stamper.
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I think a 442 with Gestede and Ayew up top, 2 very disciplined central midfielders who are holding quite deep and then Grealish and Traore on the wings with Amavi and a new right back and we could be very good next year. It means keeping hold of players who may well be wanting away but we should be at least trying to do that.
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I think a 442 with Gestede and Ayew up top, 2 very disciplined central midfielders who are holding quite deep and then Grealish and Traore on the wings with Amavi and a new right back and we could be very good next year. It means keeping hold of players who may well be wanting away but we should be at least trying to do that.
Think Gestede has a role to play certainly but preferrably as third choice striker, behind Ayew and a more mobile centre forward
thought he played well yesterday but showed the composure of a giraffe when played through in the second half
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Rudy is again helping with feeding the homeless in Albert Street tonight. Top stuff Rudy.
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Rudy is again helping with feeding the homeless in Albert Street tonight. Top stuff Rudy.
I didn't know that. Good on him.
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He's been awful this season.
I'd still keep him, though, as he could be more than useful next year.
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If we master actually getting him some service then I think he'll score goals in the Championship. In the striker department he's the least of our worries.
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.. And Kozak to return to playing duties, presumably.
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.. And Kozak to return to playing duties, presumably.
He's like another Bosko Ballaban
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There's only one BB thank god.
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.. And Kozak to return to playing duties, presumably.
I'd forgotten all about Kozak. What happened to him?
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.. And Kozak to return to playing duties, presumably.
I'd forgotten all about Kozak. What happened to him?
His legs fell off.
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I feel sorry for rudy. .I think he's a decent human being..is one and only strength is in the air and what support has our management 'teams ' given him in that area..plus surely the coaching staff ( what coaching g staff) should surely have been working on other areas of his game. No business (apart from villa) makes a £7 million pound investment in an asset then completely neglects it.
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football's littered with those kind of monumental cock ups, it's just that ours are on a more monumentally insane and regular scale.
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I find myself surprised to want this guy for again asap. Mostly because kozak seems to be next in line. Though I'd play ayew instead
Has there been any news of suggestion of how long he's out?
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Agree ccr. It is crystal clear to any coach that Rudy Gestede needs to be taught how to run. I am being deadly serious. You can coach athletes to run faster. Gestede over strides and it gives him a loping gait and no ability to quicken. If he took shorter strides but with a faster cadence he is never going to become Adama Traore but he will mover across the ground quicker. Kozak is the same. He lopes because his strides are too long. It is just a bad habit that poor coaches have let become ingrained.
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I know he hasn't been that good, but, on balance I am against selling him. He is sometimes the difference when we need to change a game - eg the other night. I think he is good for nuisance value. I know we have heard the bit about six strikers but that is five from today onwards.
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Im glad to see the back of him and recouping most of the money we paid for him
A nice bloke but very limited and bugger me how do you coach a 27 year old how to jump when the ball comes and not 30 seconds before or after
Boro must be mad
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I'm not against selling him, but I would have done it at the end of the season personally.
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Nice bloke, but with the money washing through the PL now, what are Boro at?
Guzan, Adama and now Gestede.
Karanka seemed pretty switched on to me, so maybe the transfer committee have railroaded him and are using Brewster's Millions as their business model. Wonder if we can sell them Westwood for £10 million.
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Adama has clearly had the benefit of some coaching during the last four months - judging by today's performance so far.
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One of the worst players I've ever seen in a Villa shirt so glad to get rid. I'd be hard pushed to think of a more static and immobile striker than Gestede, and lets not talk about his non existent ball control! Delighted to get £6m for him even if it doesn't recoup what we paid.
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And yet not two seasons ago he was scoring 20 goals at this level. How does that happen.
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Adama has clearly had the benefit of some coaching during the last four months - judging by today's performance so far.
He is still not listening judging by his most recent contribution.
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And yet not two seasons ago he was scoring 20 goals at this level. How does that happen.
It happens as other teams and players become aware of his capability and can easily take steps to nullify him.
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Adama has clearly had the benefit of some coaching during the last four months - judging by today's performance so far.
He is still not listening judging by his most recent contribution.
I saw that and was about to take it all back. Clearly something there though.
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Or alternatively we don't cross the ball in for him nearly as often as we should.
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We definitely don't cross the ball enough. Ironically it seems to me we cross it more when he is not on the field.
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Adama has clearly had the benefit of some coaching during the last four months - judging by today's performance so far.
He is still not listening judging by his most recent contribution.
I saw that and was about to take it all back. Clearly something there though.
Paul Walsh on SSN just said that if Adama could cross a ball or pick a pass then they'd be ahead against Leicester...seems like he hasn't learned much, but no doubt he'll make me eat my words by the end of the afternoon.
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Agree ccr. It is crystal clear to any coach that Rudy Gestede needs to be taught how to run. I am being deadly serious. You can coach athletes to run faster. Gestede over strides and it gives him a loping gait and no ability to quicken. If he took shorter strides but with a faster cadence he is never going to become Adama Traore but he will mover across the ground quicker. Kozak is the same. He lopes because his strides are too long. It is just a bad habit that poor coaches have let become ingrained.
Blimey thats an impressive analysis. Get your cv into Villa park.
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Agree ccr. It is crystal clear to any coach that Rudy Gestede needs to be taught how to run. I am being deadly serious. You can coach athletes to run faster. Gestede over strides and it gives him a loping gait and no ability to quicken. If he took shorter strides but with a faster cadence he is never going to become Adama Traore but he will mover across the ground quicker. Kozak is the same. He lopes because his strides are too long. It is just a bad habit that poor coaches have let become ingrained.
well Brian just to back you up with a bit of name dropping here
I was watching my lad play football over at Woburn and stood next to Chris Akabusi who's lad was playing for the opposition, under 8's
I joked his boy must be quick and he said he hadn't leant to run properly yet in fact he was to young to run properly and he himself didn't start until he was in his teens
so you can be taught to run properly
(ps I learnt to run outside Anfield in 1977)
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Agree ccr. It is crystal clear to any coach that Rudy Gestede needs to be taught how to run. I am being deadly serious. You can coach athletes to run faster. Gestede over strides and it gives him a loping gait and no ability to quicken. If he took shorter strides but with a faster cadence he is never going to become Adama Traore but he will mover across the ground quicker. Kozak is the same. He lopes because his strides are too long. It is just a bad habit that poor coaches have let become ingrained.
Thought Sam Mussabini was dead.
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Or alternatively we don't cross the ball in for him nearly as often as we should.
We definitely don't cross the ball enough. Ironically it seems to me we cross it more when he is not on the field.
Now you mention it , you are right.
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I honestly think its a mistake to get rid of him now. Maybe if we ever get promotion then yeh - hes not Premiership quality by a long way which Boro are about to discover - but as an impact player i think hes suited to this level and gives us another dimension in terms of attacking crosses, corners and free-kicks. I dont know how McCormack played yesterday but he hasnt set the world on fire, Ayew is a mixed bag and Kodjia is in Africa. Overloaded with strikers we may be but quality wise its a real mixed bag. I thought we would be notching a tonne of goals in this division and we barely ever score more than one a game.
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The information I pass on is not my own. I had the privilege of sharing an office for five years with the late, great Ron Pickering when we both were working on the master plan of the Lee Valley Regional Park. He still coached Lynn Davies and Mary Rand. He taught me about running and jumping and I taught him about gardening. A later bonus was my younger son being coached by the same coach as Jon Rigeon. He used to say the fastest stride length is one that starts with your heel hitting your arse.
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Nice bloke, but with the money washing through the PL now, what are Boro at?
Guzan, Adama and now Gestede.
Karanka seemed pretty switched on to me, so maybe the transfer committee have railroaded him and are using Brewster's Millions as their business model. Wonder if we can sell them Westwood for £10 million.
Not sure how often Guzan or Adama are playing but MiddlesVilla are currently sitting 5 points off the relegation spot, which I'm pretty sure would have been their aim at the start of the season, say it quietly but they may well stay up. I totally agree definitely need Westwood (this obviously needs shouting from the rooftops) I'd accept a lot less than 10 million too.
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Just announced on sky sports that weve accepted a £6m bid and it will be finalised tomorrow, We've done well to get our money back on him, Rudy has done fucking amazing to get a premier League club to give him another go.
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Just announced on sky sports that weve accepted a £6m bid and it will be finalised tomorrow, We've done well to get our money back on him, Rudy has done fucking amazing to get a premier League club to give him another go.
4 goals in 11 games under Sherwood - since then we've really not played to his strength. I wish him well.
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Just announced on sky sports that weve accepted a £6m bid and it will be finalised tomorrow, We've done well to get our money back on him, Rudy has done fucking amazing to get a one season wonder premier League club to give him another go.
I fixed that for you.
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Just announced on sky sports that weve accepted a £6m bid and it will be finalised tomorrow, We've done well to get our money back on him, Rudy has done fucking amazing to get a premier League club to give him another go.
bonkers really, thought he would be a great signing for us at the time but he was as limited as anyone I can recall for us
never looked like reproducing his Blackburn form at all
Boro have signed three of our donkeys from last season
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OS says he's gone now. Good luck to him.
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Just announced on sky sports that weve accepted a £6m bid and it will be finalised tomorrow, We've done well to get our money back on him, Rudy has done fucking amazing to get a premier League club to give him another go.
bonkers really, thought he would be a great signing for us at the time but he was as limited as anyone I can recall for us
never looked like reproducing his Blackburn form at all
Boro have signed three of our donkeys from last season
Officially confirmed that he has signed for Boro
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Gestede and Guzan. Yeesh!
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Goodbye and good luck Rudy, thank you for being responsible for two of the rare highlights of last season.
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lovely bloke, but footballing mediocracy. Maybe Boro's master plan is to reunite Rudy and Jordan.
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The important question now tho who becomes the translator?
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lovely bloke, but footballing mediocracy. Maybe Boro's master plan is to reunite Rudy and Jordan.
i assume you mean mediocrity...
but the modern day aston villa football club would be a textbook footballing mediocracy.
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Never fear, we can all wish him happy birthday in years to come just like the official villa Facebook page is inviting us to do to James Milner today (cringe).
Must be a replacement lined up.
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Must be a replacement lined up.
Bruce has bought a wardrobe from DFS.
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Gestede was a useful option coming off the bench late in the game. With him sold and Kodjia unavailable for 3 plus weeks it leaves the forward options much weaker. I'd hope Bruce has a forward lined up to join rapidly.
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Never fear, we can all wish him happy birthday in years to come just like the official villa Facebook page is inviting us to do to James Milner today (cringe).
Must be a replacement lined up.
Perhaps Milner is coming back...
Maybe with Amavi going the other way....?
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Tried hard, but not very good. We need a replacement though to give us some options.
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Never fear, we can all wish him happy birthday in years to come just like the official villa Facebook page is inviting us to do to James Milner today (cringe).
Must be a replacement lined up.
Perhaps Milner is coming back...
Maybe with Amavi going the other way....?
Nurse!
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I'll wish the guy all the best and hope the move works out for him. If he starts scoring for boro then we're just cursed and thats the end of it.
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Seems a nice enough fella and did his best to help the community supporting homeless charities and so on but less than a 1 in 5 strike rate supports the view that we either rarely played to his strengths or he simply wasn't very good
The truth probably lies somewhere in between the two - goodbye and good luck Rudy
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Good bloke, very average footballer with worrying lack of movement
That said, give him quality crosses and who knows what he could do. Just remembered they've got Traore supplying the crosses.
Bad luck Rudy!
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Never fear, we can all wish him happy birthday in years to come just like the official villa Facebook page is inviting us to do to James Milner today (cringe).
Really? 'kin 'ell, it's bad enough half our fanbase continue to blow Milner years later, without the club doing the same. Can we have the person who does his BoringJamesMilner twitter account as head of our social media instead?
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Never fear, we can all wish him happy birthday in years to come just like the official villa Facebook page is inviting us to do to James Milner today (cringe).
Really? 'kin 'ell, it's bad enough half our fanbase continue to blow Milner years later, without the club doing the same. Can we have the person who does his BoringJamesMilner twitter account as head of our social media instead?
Afraid so. Barmy
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Good luck Rudy, hard worker and good man. It's a shame he could only head the ball.
Also a pity no manager played to his strength.
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Lost count of the number of players, who weren't good enough for us and are now playing at a higher level than us.
So I wish Gestede the best of luck,score loads of goals and be another one to prove us wrong!
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It's strange timing, but maybe the chance of getting our money back on a fringe player was too good to pass up. Anyway we need two new midfielders and a striker as the bare minimum this transfer window, if we are to have even a remote chance of getting into the play offs. AND we need them to be able to hit the ground running. Big ask.
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I though the'd be a great signing for us. It hasn't worked out mainly due to the fact he isn't as good as we all thought he might be. I can't see him being much better at Boro but I wish him well.
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Don't wish him any ill but he really was terrible.
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Good luck Rudy, hard worker and good man. It's a shame he could only head the ball.
Also a pity no manager played to his strength.
This!! 4 goals in 11 games under Sherwood then no one crossed it for him for 40 plus games. Hope Boro play to his strength all the best Rudy!
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Good luck Rudy, I hope the manager has an upgrade in place.
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Not sure what Boro have seen in Rudy that we haven't seen, but good luck to him. He's back in the PL a lot quicker than we will be.
Maybe they think him and Rhodes will find their Blackburn form.
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I saw today Boro have the lowest amount of shots, one of the lowest amounts of goals, lowest shooting accuracy, maybe they've decided to bypass having shots altogether and try just headers instead.
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As others have said, he seems a very decent man, so good luck to him. At times I wondered how he ever became a professional. We need a replacement with speed or movement, or we could give RHM a go.
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Good luck Rudy. Did not really click with us but he may do well with Boro.
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Good luck Rudy. Did not really click with us but he may do well with Boro.
His better moments for us were when he Camden in in the latter stages of games. If they use him exclusively in that role then he may do OK.
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Good luck Rudy. Did not really click with us but he may do well with Boro.
His better moments for us were when he Camden in in the latter stages of games. If they use him exclusively in that role then he may do OK.
Mornington Crescent!
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Good luck Rudy.
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Under Fox/Lerner we'd have loaned him to Boro while continuing to pay his wages and a free transfer option in the summer.
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Under Fox/Lerner we'd have loaned him to Boro while continuing to pay his wages and a free transfer option in the summer.
They could also send him back if crocked
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Was it Bournemouth when he smashed a header in for his first goal? That was about the last time I got excited about him.
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Was it Bournemouth when he smashed a header in for his first goal? That was about the last time I got excited about him.
Probably the last time we managed to cross a ball for him.
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Liverpool
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Boro are showing his four goals from this season on their site already. They didn't tag that 2 were v Rotherham. Still good finishes though to be fair. Good luck to him anyway.
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good luck Rudy,
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He and Adama will be a formidable combination. Good luck to a good guy.
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He and Adama will be a formidable combination. Good luck to a good guy.
There's only so much you can do on the bench Brian. They are both limited one dimensional footballers in my opinion. But yes Rudy does come across a very nice guy.
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He and Adama will be a formidable combination. Good luck to a good guy.
You really sure Brian?
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He and Adama will be a formidable combination.
Adama can hit crosses that go out for a throw in whilst Gestede slowly ambles towards the 18 yard box.
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Good bloke, very average footballer with worrying lack of movement
That said, give him quality crosses and who knows what he could do. Just remembered they've got Traore supplying the crosses.
Bad luck Rudy!
Even with a decent cross, he is woefully lacking in instinctive movement. At Elland Road we did actually put 2 or 3 very good crosses in but he seemed rooted to the spot.
Karanka will have to have a brilliant coaching staff to get a decent return, IMHO.
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He and Adama will be a formidable combination. Good luck to a good guy.
Nah
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Good luck Rudy, hard worker and good man. It's a shame he could only head the ball.
Also a pity no manager played to his strength.
He was still very limited in his games even during that run.
I think we all got carried away with his debut goal and thought he'd do that most games for us....especially Sherwood who criminally decided there and then he was Benteke's replacement.
I saw him live v Sunderland fourth game and that's when the alarm bells started ringing as his link up play was non-existent which was strange as normally that's one of the strengths of a targetman.
He was a decent impact sub at times but never a starter and one of the reasons we went down as harsh as it sounds.
Only query is with the timing. We need a striker in for Wolves but don't seem to be linked with anyone atm.
This!! 4 goals in 11 games under Sherwood then no one crossed it for him for 40 plus games. Hope Boro play to his strength all the best Rudy!
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I went to the same Sunderland game and had exactly the same thought
He looked so far off premier league quality I never really believed he'd be any good after that
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nice lad but Boro have made a ricket thinking he is prem quality, not even in our league did he look anything but bang average to poor
if the ball actually lands exactly on his head he will score a goal or two,
if it lands a yard away he wont get any where near it, the best goal he ever scored for us was against Blues when he was actually moving forwards and was in the perfect positon to head the ball in, that's the only time I ever saw him do it
he reminded me of an even rubbisher Cascarino
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I wish him well but he is, without doubt, the worst player I have ever seen playing for us. It's staggering what we paid for him.
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I wish him well but he is, without doubt, the worst player I have ever seen playing for us. It's staggering what we paid for him.
And yet we apparently recouped it all.
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deffo 1-0 to us. As long as we don't end up with Downing.
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I wish him well but he is, without doubt, the worst player I have ever seen playing for us. It's staggering what we paid for him.
staggering what we got for him
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If somebody crosses the ball for Gestede on a regular basis he will score some goals. We didn't do that.
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If somebody crosses the ball for Gestede on a regular basis he will score some goals. We didn't do that.
He was a big part of the reason why we didn't do that regularly. It's hard to hit good crosses regularly when your centre forward can't hold the ball up or link play, can't move the centrebacks around, and doesn't have the stamina to constantly make runs into the box so that they can be targeted for crosses.
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nice lad but Boro have made a ricket thinking he is prem quality, not even in our league did he look anything but bang average to poor
if the ball actually lands exactly on his head he will score a goal or two,
if it lands a yard away he wont get any where near it, the best goal he ever scored for us was against Blues when he was actually moving forwards and was in the perfect positon to head the ball in, that's the only time I ever saw him do it
he reminded me of an even rubbisher Cascarino
i was thinking this after I learned we'd sold him. Who would the modern day Teddy Sheringham be, who we should've signed instead of Gestede I wonder?
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nice lad but Boro have made a ricket thinking he is prem quality, not even in our league did he look anything but bang average to poor
if the ball actually lands exactly on his head he will score a goal or two,
if it lands a yard away he wont get any where near it, the best goal he ever scored for us was against Blues when he was actually moving forwards and was in the perfect positon to head the ball in, that's the only time I ever saw him do it
he reminded me of an even rubbisher Cascarino
i was thinking this after I learned we'd sold him. Who would the modern day Teddy Sheringham be, who we should've signed instead of Gestede I wonder?
That Ross McCormack over at Fulham looks like he has an eye for goal.
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You think he's in the same bracket as TS? I hope so. I've only seen the Leeds home game and 3/4 of the FA cup tie, so difficult for me to judge him.
I've seen some of our goals on YouTube this season though and Kodjia looks to me the most exciting signing of the last few windows, by some distance.
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I was goofing around, sorry. More seriously I agree Kodjia is the most exciting signing in a long time. Love the guy.
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I wish him well but he is, without doubt, the worst player I have ever seen playing for us. It's staggering what we paid for him.
staggering what we got for him
I bet his agent was doing bloody cartwheels!!....
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I wish him well but he is, without doubt, the worst player I have ever seen playing for us. It's staggering what we paid for him.
staggering what we got for him
Second only to making a profit on Scott Sinclair.
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I wish him well but he is, without doubt, the worst player I have ever seen playing for us. It's staggering what we paid for him.
Really? Remember Jordan Bowery played for us in recent years and he is easily the worst footballer I've ever seen play a first team game for us. I actually felt sorry for him he was that bad.
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I wish him well but he is, without doubt, the worst player I have ever seen playing for us. It's staggering what we paid for him.
Really? Remember Jordan Bowery played for us in recent years and he is easily the worst footballer I've ever seen play a first team game for us. I actually felt sorry for him he was that bad.
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Carlton Cole was the worst for me. Staggeringly bad. Though Bowery is a good shout (one good game against Hull). As is Djester-Djester.
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I wish him well but he is, without doubt, the worst player I have ever seen playing for us. It's staggering what we paid for him.
Really? Remember Jordan Bowery played for us in recent years and he is easily the worst footballer I've ever seen play a first team game for us. I actually felt sorry for him he was that bad.
I'd managed to forget (block out) Jordan Bowery. Just had a quick peak to see how he was doing. He's now at Orient played 9 (+7 sub appearances I presume) and has scored 1. He went to Orient on a free from Oxford where he played 9 (+8 subs) and got 7 goals. He has been at 8 different clubs (7 if you discount him being a trainee) and the only fee ever paid was (yup you guessed it) the £500,000 we shelled out for him.
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we go again's most egregious moment?
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I wish him well but he is, without doubt, the worst player I have ever seen playing for us. It's staggering what we paid for him.
Really? Remember Jordan Bowery played for us in recent years and he is easily the worst footballer I've ever seen play a first team game for us. I actually felt sorry for him he was that bad.
Carlton Cole was the worst for me. Staggeringly bad. Though Bowery is a good shout (one good game against Hull). As is Djester-Djester.
Didn't Carlton Cole go from August to April without scoring in the 04/05 season which, as a centre forward who played most weeks, is laughable.
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Much as I thought Rudy was very limited he is nowhere near even the top 20 of worst Villa players I have seen - mind you I go back to 1972 so have a lot to choose from !
Wish him luck at Boro and thank him for the great header v Blues
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I wish him well but he is, without doubt, the worst player I have ever seen playing for us. It's staggering what we paid for him.
Really? Remember Jordan Bowery played for us in recent years and he is easily the worst footballer I've ever seen play a first team game for us. I actually felt sorry for him he was that bad.
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Carlton Cole was the worst for me. Staggeringly bad. Though Bowery is a good shout (one good game against Hull). As is Djester-Djester.
To be fair Bowery played well at Stoke when we won 3-1. Nearly scored too.
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Jordan Bowery must be the only striker to ever leave a club having scored -1.
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I wish him well but he is, without doubt, the worst player I have ever seen playing for us. It's staggering what we paid for him.
Really? Remember Jordan Bowery played for us in recent years and he is easily the worst footballer I've ever seen play a first team game for us. I actually felt sorry for him he was that bad.
Carlton Cole was the worst for me. Staggeringly bad. Though Bowery is a good shout (one good game against Hull). As is Djester-Djester.
Didn't Carlton Cole go from August to April without scoring in the 04/05 season which, as a centre forward who played most weeks, is laughable.
He scored 3 in 30. Sub-Heskeyesque.
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He scored 3 in 30. Sub-Heskeyesque.
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Great name for an Indie band that.
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Much as I thought Rudy was very limited he is nowhere near even the top 20 of worst Villa players I have seen - mind you I go back to 1972 so have a lot to choose from !
Wish him luck at Boro and thank him for the great header v Blues
I'd be interested to hear your 20 players worse than Gestede Richard. I go back to 69/70 and I know it's just opinion, but given his fee, I can't think of a worse player. I have to admit that Nigel Callaghan came close though.
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David Hunt
Nigel Callaghan
Bosko Balaban
Najwan Grayib
Ivo Stas
Neale Cooper
Bernie Gallagher
Didier Agathe
Moustapha Salifou
Idaiah Osborne
There's ten without much thought.
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Beye
Ireland
Tonev
Zog
Djemba-Djemba
Cleverley
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Beye
Ireland
Tonev
Zog
Djemba-Djemba
Cleverley
I nodded in agreement at all of them till I reached the bottom.
Tom Cleverley? Surely he does not belong to this rogues gallery.
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Half a dozen good games under Sherwood doesn't hide that he was so shite before that his name was booed pre-match more than once.
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No argument he was awful for much of the time he was here. But at least he had 5 or 6 good games for us which ended up being key in keeping us up.
Crap player perhaps but surely not in the same waste of money category as Zog or Ireland? You are too harsh sir, too harsh I say! :)
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No argument he was awful for much of the time he was here. But at least he had 5 or 6 good games for us which ended up being key in keeping us up.
Crap player perhaps but surely not in the same waste of money category as Zog or Ireland? You are too harsh sir, too harsh I say! :)
But whether they were a waste of money isn't the question. The likes of Agathe, Osbourne and Salifou weren't much in the waste of money stakes either.
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Ivo Stas is a tad unfair as he didn't play a single competitive game! Maybe should be near the top of 'waste of money' league though.
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Half a dozen good games under Sherwood doesn't hide that he was so shite before that his name was booed pre-match more than once.
In that case stick Westwood in there.
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Beye
Ireland
Tonev
Zog
Djemba-Djemba
Cleverley
Ireland was a talented player but he was a lazy bastard that had no passion football and just collected his pay every week. Same could probably be said of N'Zogbia. Cleverley was largely just went missing except for one good run of 5 or 6 games. Gestede is just a target man with a poor touch. Not surprising Pulis was looking at him.
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David Hunt
Nigel Callaghan
Bosko Balaban
Najwan Grayib
Ivo Stas
Neale Cooper
Bernie Gallagher
Didier Agathe
Moustapha Salifou
Idaiah Osborne
There's ten without much thought.
Hmm fair call with most of them. But I quite liked Bernie Gallagher and Tom Cleverly should be nowhere near the list. Rudi should definitely in that ten
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Beye
Ireland
Tonev
Zog
Djemba-Djemba
Cleverley
Ireland was a talented player but he was a lazy bastard that had no passion football and just collected his pay every week. Same could probably be said of N'Zogbia. Cleverley was largely just went missing except for one good run of 5 or 6 games. Gestede is just a target man with a poor touch. Not surprising Pulis was looking at him.
Still cant believe ireland got player of the year
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In recent times I'd have to say Tonev is one of the worst I've seen, hopeless shooting, passing etc.
In fairness I think he panned out exactly how he should've given he apparently was no great shakes in the Polish first division.
Players like Ireland and CNZ are far more infuriating as they do have talent and showed it in previous seasons before we signed them but with those players the problems are all in the mind.
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In recent times I'd have to say Tonev is one of the worst I've seen, hopeless shooting, passing etc.
I am far, far from a Gestede fan - a supposed aerial master unable to win much more than 10% of the aerial duels he faced. Really, not very good.
However, he at least offered something.
Tonev offered absolutely nothing. Truly dreadful player.
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In recent times I'd have to say Tonev is one of the worst I've seen, hopeless shooting, passing etc.
I am far, far from a Gestede fan - a supposed aerial master unable to win much more than 10% of the aerial duels he faced. Really, not very good.
However, he at least offered something.
Tonev offered absolutely nothing. Truly dreadful player.
The bold bit really isn't fair. Aerial duels won is one of the stats they measure on whoscored.com and we come second overall this season with Jedinak and Gestede quite a long way ahead of the rest of the squad and Gestede is the 15th highest in that stat for the entire league. The problem with him as a target man is that where the ball went was a bit of a lottery so you couldn't plan attacks around it, someone like Benteke didn't win quite as many but the service from the ones he won was exceptional. Before any asks they only count it as won if the ball goes to your team from the header so it's not just counting loads where he headed it the opposition.
As I've said before he's only able to control headers when he's coming onto the ball and heading it forward, that's why if you put the ball in front of him in the box he'll get a head on it and work the keeper more often than not but anywhere else and he wins it but without any real control.
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Yes Gestede is pretty good at reading a cross and attacking the cross.
I was just shocked at how poor his hold up play was. I wasn't expecting Benteke standard but many limited tall strikers can at least hold it up and pass it out to the wide players or nearest midfielder to build up attacks, Rudy just couldn't even do that.
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Gestede was gash
Zero physical presence, unable to hold up play, woeful first touch and unless he was running onto the ball shit in the air and couldnt read the game
boro must be mad
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Gestede, Guzan and Traore on the bench.
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Gestede, Guzan and Traore on the bench.
Barf.
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I have no problem with RG leaving but found the timing odd. Surely, if Boro were that keen they would've waited a few weeks and we could've got ourselves some cover.
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Nice goal today from Rudy.
http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39018249 (http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39018249)
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Nice goal today from Rudy.
http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39018249 (http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39018249)
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Didn't he score one like that v Forest earlier this season so he does have it in his locker.
I was more amazed by him running the channels, holding it up and laying it off accurately to the midfielder for their first goal....he certainly didn't do any of that for us!
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I have always liked and rated Rudy. Put it this way, we got rid of three strikers in January and bought in one who hasn't scored yet. Just didn't make sense to me.
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Rudi was a a terrible player, fair play to Bruce for getting such a great deal.
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He was crap and we got our money back.....result!!
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Because we have pulled up so many trees since he left of course.
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In my opinion he didn't cut it for us but that wasn't all his fault. Absolutely lousy service most of the time whenever he played. Add him to the list of players who who turn up to VP and their careers go on hold until they leave.
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Because we have pulled up so many trees since he left of course.
Did we pull up any trees when he was here?
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Because we have pulled up so many trees since he left of course.
Did we pull up any trees when he was here?
I thought he was a tree, a big lumbering deep rooted oak
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Because we have pulled up so many trees since he left of course.
Did we pull up any trees when he was here?
I thought he was a tree, a big lumbering deep rooted oak
A tree that was plonked in a desert and not regularly tended for or watered?
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In his usual standing still position for that goal. Nicely put away but hardly full of movement. As per.
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I wasn't a massive fan of him but out of the strikers we let go, he's the one I would have kept, for the time being anyway.
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Because we have pulled up so many trees since he left of course.
Did we pull up any trees when he was here?
I thought he was a tree, a big lumbering deep rooted oak
A tree that was plonked in a desert and not regularly tended for or watered?
No just shit
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I wasn't a massive fan of him but out of the strikers we let go, he's the one I would have kept, for the time being anyway.
Yep....why we were so desperate to sell him as soon as the window opened I'll never know. Big mistake.
He helped get a draw in the Leeds game and he was a good sub at this level. I think we could've done with him in the Cardiff and Wolves games, think he'd have buried the McCormack chance.
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I wasn't a massive fan of him but out of the strikers we let go, he's the one I would have kept, for the time being anyway.
Yep....why we were so desperate to sell him as soon as the window opened I'll never know. Big mistake.
He helped get a draw in the Leeds game and he was a good sub at this level. I think we could've done with him in the Cardiff and Wolves games, think he'd have buried the McCormack chance.
We missed a trick with him because he would have done a job at this level.
I think we're still a bit billy big time and the likes of Gestede aren't deemed good enough.
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Because we have pulled up so many trees since he left of course.
Did we pull up any trees when he was here?
I thought he was a tree, a big lumbering deep rooted oak
A tree that was plonked in a desert and not regularly tended for or watered?
No just shit
Hahaha!
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Letting fat boy, Ayew and Rudy all go in the same window was daft.
Despite his limitations, Rudy was the one I would have kept. He was a genuine lad.
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Much as he might have been a " nice guy " (like Westy )....he was a blooming expensive interpreter for Kodjia !
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if Rudi is more like Drogba/Vieri, he would be still at Villa Park.
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Definitely a lot less than Drogba.....and Viera. In fact too little in him to be a real star, I think.
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if Rudi is more like Drogba/Vieri, he would be still at Villa Park.
If he were a better player than he actually is then he wouldn't have moved up a division?
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If there was one player that could do a job, even if that meant going route 1 when needing a goal or at least to cause the opposition something to worry about. So we sell him.
But hey Gabby still getting a game.
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...except he isn't!
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Gestede is a better option than Gabby. But that's not saying a great deal.
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Gestede is a better option than Gabby. But that's not saying a great deal.
Try getting the lazy fat knacker off the pay roll though. Things may have been different if he wasn't so shameless.
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I don't know why people keep on saying "he could've done a job at this level", because he really couldn't, at least from his appearances for us this season, even though his record at Blackburn was good. It was the exact same shit as it was last season: if he played from the start, he would basically offer no presence up front; he was only a threat when he came on as a sub and could go full-pelt for 20 to 30 minutes, and if we were going to turn down 6.5 million or whatever it was because losing a super sub was going to immeasurably fuck us, well, I think we have much larger problems (well, we do.)
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if Rudi is more like Drogba/Vieri, he would be still at Villa Park.
If he were a better player than he actually is then he wouldn't have moved up a division?
Like Westwood , you mean?
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Like who we have who is better than him.
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I don't know why people keep on saying "he could've done a job at this level", because he really couldn't, at least from his appearances for us this season, even though his record at Blackburn was good. It was the exact same shit as it was last season: if he played from the start, he would basically offer no presence up front; he was only a threat when he came on as a sub and could go full-pelt for 20 to 30 minutes, and if we were going to turn down 6.5 million or whatever it was because losing a super sub was going to immeasurably fuck us, well, I think we have much larger problems (well, we do.)
I agree with most of that, but still maintain that he was probably closest to the type of striker we need. We need a striker who can lead the line on his own, hold the ball up and bring others into play. So far, we have spent the best part of £40m on strikers and still haven't got one who can perform that role.
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I find it depressing that he's still our second highest scorer this season.
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I don't know why people keep on saying "he could've done a job at this level", because he really couldn't, at least from his appearances for us this season, even though his record at Blackburn was good. It was the exact same shit as it was last season: if he played from the start, he would basically offer no presence up front; he was only a threat when he came on as a sub and could go full-pelt for 20 to 30 minutes, and if we were going to turn down 6.5 million or whatever it was because losing a super sub was going to immeasurably fuck us, well, I think we have much larger problems (well, we do.)
I agree with most of that, but still maintain that he was probably closest to the type of striker we need. We need a striker who can lead the line on his own, hold the ball up and bring others into play. So far, we have spent the best part of £40m on strikers and still haven't got one who can perform that role.
The problem was that he couldn't lead the line on his own or hold the ball up. However, he could bring others into play with his 2nd or 3rd touch after gathering the ball from his poor 1st touch.
There was only one way to play him and that was with wide players that could get in front of him and pull the ball back to him as he is a very good player running onto the ball. Sadly, we didn't play that way last season or this, so, getting money back on him was a good deal but does show a lack of attacking intent.
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He had plenty of chances to lead the line, however his best efforts seem to continue me from off the bench. I'd rather of kept Ayew, but then can also understand why we let him leave.
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I have no real problem with Rudy leaving except the timing. With the players in Africa, etc it made sense to drag the deal out towards the end of the window rather than leave us short in the first few days. The fact we went three weeks with Gabby and the gate keeper was foolish.
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Surely a lot of this possession is also frame of mind. We sat very deep and dug in for the last 20-25 minutes. That's a lot of possession to give away. We need to take control early and take our chances and build confidence. We need to get away from this panic near the end of each half.
Wrong thread!!
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Surely a lot of this possession is also frame of mind. We sat very deep and dug in for the last 20-25 minutes. That's a lot of possession to give away. We need to take control early and take our chances and build confidence. We need to get away from this panic near the end of each half.
Wrong thread!!
The positional sense of Gestede himself! ;)
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I have always liked and rated Rudy. Put it this way, we got rid of three strikers in January and bought in one who hasn't scored yet. Just didn't make sense to me.
Rated? On the basis of what. Shocking player. When Boro are relegated he wont be playing in the prem anytime soon