Quote from: Chris Jameson on August 24, 2015, 11:22:16 AMIf people have bought season tickets in or behind 'your area' I should imagine they going to be just a little pissed off with your actions.Many people bought tickets in the area on the basis that we were moving there and we did everything we could do to publicise the fact that we were moving there.
If people have bought season tickets in or behind 'your area' I should imagine they going to be just a little pissed off with your actions.
We didn't tell the club because they've got a history of undermining what we do as a group.
Quote from: bruisedshins on August 24, 2015, 09:16:53 PMWe didn't tell the club because they've got a history of undermining what we do as a group.What sort of thing for example?
Quote from: Dave on August 25, 2015, 12:01:59 AMQuote from: bruisedshins on August 24, 2015, 09:16:53 PMWe didn't tell the club because they've got a history of undermining what we do as a group.What sort of thing for example?Here's a few off the top of my head; banning the "One Stan Petrov" surfer. Chucking us out for standing at the Rotherham Cup game despite no ones view being blocked. Attempting to wrestle the "Your granddad didn't play for fascists, he shot them" banner from us against Sunderland. Blocking tickets in L8 so that others could not buy tickets there. Implying these seats may become available for others to purchase before the start of the 2014/15 season only for the seats to remain blocked.
I must admit i'm not really for picking seats where standing will block others views - back of Hotle lower seems obvious choice to me.BUT, I cannot understand why the club can't be a bit more supportive (obviously without formally condoning standing). It would seem if this enthusiasm could be harnessed rather than seen as something to suppress, it would be for the benefit of all. I don't understand why they wont have a more open dialogue with the group - it shouldn't be difficult to get an understanding here.But if nobheads stand on seats and won't move when asked to get down, well I'm all for kicking them out. And flouncing off in protest at this didn't do you any credit.
Quote from: chrisw1 on August 25, 2015, 03:28:09 PMI must admit i'm not really for picking seats where standing will block others views - back of Hotle lower seems obvious choice to me.BUT, I cannot understand why the club can't be a bit more supportive (obviously without formally condoning standing). It would seem if this enthusiasm could be harnessed rather than seen as something to suppress, it would be for the benefit of all. I don't understand why they wont have a more open dialogue with the group - it shouldn't be difficult to get an understanding here.But if nobheads stand on seats and won't move when asked to get down, well I'm all for kicking them out. And flouncing off in protest at this didn't do you any credit.I agree he shouldn't have been stood on his seat and I don't think you'd find anyone in the group saying he should've been.There are loads of examples of clubs that are taking a really forward thinking approach to "singing sections" whereby a blind eye is turned to persistent standing. The most notable i've seen this season has been at Man City where they've actually moved the away support slightly to create an area for their group. Boro gave Red Faction their own area a few years back as did Palace, more recently Cardiff City have taken a very hands off approach to persistent standing. So it can be done and the results that i've seen so far has been really impressive.
Birmingham City Council are more interventionist on this than most other councils. that's why the club can't be as hands off as in many other places. BCC have threatened to close off sections of The Holte, If Brigada had a full on standing section, especially if it became known that the club had somehow sanctioned it, that would be the bit they'd close down.Where Brigada and the club clash is that on an unofficial level, the club need them to sit down 2-3 times in a game when asked. It doesn't matter if they pop straight back up again - the club have been seen not to condone standing. This doesn't come from the club directly, this comes from fans groups who campaign on standing and look for loopholes and compromises.However, Brigada have a stated vow to stand throughout - this is what the club cannot work with. They are asked to sit down, they refuse, so the club end up having to throw someone out in order to show they don't condone standing, and then the whole lot walk out & relations continue on a downward spiral.
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