Idrissa Gueye - now gone

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Couldn't Koeman argue that his stats in the defensive department outweigh his fee at £7 million compared with contemporaries like Kante who go for five times that? Isn't that what the Athletics basically did so they could brawl with the Yankees of MLB?

Not trying to knock any pints over here.

[oswald funkletrumpet]

Whoever takes him off the wage bill is welcome to him. The interest in him smacks of Reilly style moneyball stat buying

*muffled screams into cushion*

To be fair this signing could be the defintion of Moneyball. If they have concluded that running around a lot and generally being ineffective is a more valuable stat than scoring goals or assists for example.

Apart from that would be based on sabermetrics and not the Moneyball system.

Er, no.

Afraid so. Any use of stats is sabermetrics. Moneyball is actually obtaining massively undervalued players that excel in the stats you covet. Sabermetrics is always a part of a Moneyball signing, Moneyball isn't always part of a sabermetrics signing.

and thats numberwang

[PeterWithesShin]

Couldn't Koeman argue that his stats in the defensive department outweigh his fee at £7 million compared with contemporaries like Kante who go for five times that? Isn't that what the Athletics basically did so they could brawl with the Yankees of MLB?

Not trying to knock any pints over here.

Not really, they could deem his stats as worth more than the release fee but still be paying him the going rate in wages so that's more using sabermetrics to not overpay. The Athletics couldn't do that. This was the club so poor in baseball terms they charged players for drinks, negotiated in trades that the other team would pay for the soda for a year in their soda machines the players used and so on.

What the Athletics did was sign players that they were significantly underpaying, but no one but the Athletics knew it.

[Ron Manager]

So farewell then Idrissa Gueye
You had two names
Gana was the other
But you only had one number.


Eric J Thribb 17 1/2

That Brian is very amusing. Peter Cook would have approved.

[Risso]

Whoever takes him off the wage bill is welcome to him. The interest in him smacks of Reilly style moneyball stat buying

*muffled screams into cushion*

To be fair this signing could be the defintion of Moneyball. If they have concluded that running around a lot and generally being ineffective is a more valuable stat than scoring goals or assists for example.

Apart from that would be based on sabermetrics and not the Moneyball system.

Er, no.

Afraid so. Any use of stats is sabermetrics. Moneyball is actually obtaining massively undervalued players that excel in the stats you covet. Sabermetrics is always a part of a Moneyball signing, Moneyball isn't always part of a sabermetrics signing.

I know that.  I would argue though, that £7m in terms of the new Premier League money is essentially for nothing, especially when we're apparently contemplating spending £15m on a 30 year old striker from another non-Premier League club.

[Cropley10]

So another of the players who I wouldn't have minded staying has gone ----------------but still nearly all the one's we want rid of are still here!!!

[kippaxvilla2]

Gana will do well there as a) Everton will be a good side under Koeman b) he's had a season to get used to the league and c) he won't have to work with the likes of Mr Pointy and get dragged down to their level of shitness.

[LukeJames]

So another of the players who I wouldn't have minded staying has gone ----------------but still nearly all the one's we want rid of are still here!!!

Who are the other players that have gone that you wouldn't have minded staying?

[four fornicholl]

I think we will miss him, 18 months ago most of us were pissing our pants?

edit 12 months? not long really

[Dave]

So another of the players who I wouldn't have minded staying has gone ----------------but still nearly all the one's we want rid of are still here!!!

Who are the other players that have gone that you wouldn't have minded staying?

Given it looks like we'll be starting on Sunday with Ayew behind Gestede and no width, I'd much prefer Gil behind Aye instead.

[PeterWithesShin]

I know that.  I would argue though, that £7m in terms of the new Premier League money is essentially for nothing, especially when we're apparently contemplating spending £15m on a 30 year old striker from another non-Premier League club.

It still isn't Moneyball. Same as it wasn't Moneyball when we signed him for pretty much the same amount.

[themossman]

Would it be Moneyball if we coveted the kilometres covered divided by goals contributed to stat?

[Dave]

Would it be Moneyball if we coveted the kilometres covered divided by goals contributed to stat?

You've got it all wrong - basically it's "Moneyball" if a) it's a player from a foreign league b) it's a player that Robbie Savage or Alan Shearer hasn't heard of or c) anybody involved has ever worn glasses.

Then it's Moneyball by definition.

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It's a good sports film though yeah? Can we agree on that?

[Deano's Mullet]

Nothing special for us, not good enough for their current team.