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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: kippaxvilla2 on July 01, 2015, 09:57:53 PM
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Fee agreed apparently with Lille £9m. Who is he? Any good?
Dave - title edited now he's officially Everton's.
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Cracking player.... Thought he'd joined Marseille a couple of days ago?
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Guy on Twitter who covers French football said he's 'too good for Villa' and should be aiming higher. Presume that means he's good? Sky and PA covering story
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£9m too. Spending the Benteke money already or new owners?
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I've never seen him play but apparently a defensive midfielder. One of Westwood or Sanchez to be offed?
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He's apparently more of a box to box player, so more of a replacement for cleverley (or delph?)
ITSOTP
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Don't believe it until I see him holding up the shirt.
£9m too. Spending the Benteke money already or new owners?
Maybe it's a move to prove to Benteke our newfound ambition and keep him on board?
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How do you pronounce his name, gay?
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On the obligatory YouTube clips he has GANA on the back of his shirt.
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He's good but I prefer his brother Marvin
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£9m too. Spending the Benteke money already or new owners?
Or neither.
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Spending the Cleverley money.
Never heard of him but I'm quite excited by this.
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Seems very highly thought of and fits the Cleverley replacement mould. A position we need a good quality player in alongside Delph. Let's hope he signs.
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Saw it in the Brum Mail; also cite Sky as they seem to think he'll be in this week for a medical.
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He's good but I prefer his brother Marvin
I heard about this earlier through the grapevine.
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Checked him out on that most reliable of scouting websites, Wikipedia, and he's already a Villa player and wears number 5 for us apparently.
I always follow transfers on Wiki, much more fun than Sky.
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He's good but I prefer his brother Marvin
Did you hear the rumour on the grapevine?
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He's good but I prefer his brother Marvin
Did you hear the rumour on the grapevine?
what's going on ?
UTV
The Doc
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He's good but I prefer his brother Marvin
I heard about this earlier through the grapevine.
Spending £9m on a player? What's going on?
Beaten to it :(
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I'll welcome any quality recruits but I hope a big wedge of cash is going to be on a couple benteke type proven goal scorers !?
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He's good but I prefer his brother Marvin
I heard about this earlier through the grapevine.
Spending £9m on a player? What's going on?
Beaten to it :(
oh mercy mercy me
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Weren't Southampton pretty confident a few days ago with a £7m bid? Then Marseille came in for £8..?
Surely Gueye isn't a Delph replacement?
talkSport now reporting, http://talksport.com/football/aston-villa-agree-fee-star-lille-midfielder-150701154144
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Weren't Southampton pretty confident a few days ago with a £7m bid?
Surely Gueye isn't a Delph replacement?
Maybe, just maybe, he's a quality addition to the existing squad.
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Weren't Southampton pretty confident a few days ago with a £7m bid?
Surely Gueye isn't a Delph replacement?
Maybe, just maybe, he's a quality addition to the existing squad.
Wouldn't that be nice?
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Guy on Twitter who covers French football said he's 'too good for Villa' and should be aiming higher. Presume that means he's good? Sky and PA covering story
I'm sure similar was said about Makoun.
And Didier Six.
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Got to be better than a player from Clement foot!
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Guy on Twitter who covers French football said he's 'too good for Villa' and should be aiming higher. Presume that means he's good? Sky and PA covering story
I'm sure similar was said about Makoun.
And Didier Six.
I got into an absolute battle with a Columbian ESPN reporter on Twitter who said Sanchez was far too good for a club like Villa.. Outsiders don't really understand the privilege it is to play for almost any club in this league.
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Checked him out on that most reliable of scouting websites, Wikipedia, and he's already a Villa player and wears number 5 for us apparently.
I always follow transfers on Wiki, much more fun than Sky.
I ran his name through anagrammer, as you do with any new signing.
Gay Ride Issue
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Gueye Pride. Good headline material.
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Looking at some of his youtube stuff, stumbled on this:
Not so much for his finish, but the whole move, what a cracking goal.
He's going to come here, start expecting to do that funky pass and move shit in our midfield and see the rest of our midfield stood staring like this:
(http://www.arachnoid.com/ChildrenOfNarcissus/images/sutherland_invasion_1978.jpg)
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I love the way the fans all bowl-down the gangway in excitement at the goal. The Holte won't know what's hit it.
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I love the way the fans all bowl-down the gangway in excitement at the goal. The Holte won't know what's hit it.
The last thing that hit the Holte like that and came from midfield was a Tonev 50 yard shot.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3146554/Aston-Villa-verge-signing-Idrissa-Gueye-agreeing-9m-transfer-Lille.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490
Daily Mail even mentions Paddy Reilly.
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Looking at some of his youtube stuff, stumbled on this:
Not so much for his finish, but the whole move, what a cracking goal.
He's going to come here, start expecting to do that funky pass and move shit in our midfield and see the rest of our midfield stood staring like this:
(http://www.arachnoid.com/ChildrenOfNarcissus/images/sutherland_invasion_1978.jpg)
We re-signing NRC?
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Checked him out on that most reliable of scouting websites, Wikipedia, and he's already a Villa player and wears number 5 for us apparently.
I always follow transfers on Wiki, much more fun than Sky.
I ran his name through anagrammer, as you do with any new signing.
Gay Ride Issue
I desires a guy
Is gay residue
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£9m too. Spending the Benteke money already or new owners?
Urgent replacement for Delph.
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£9m too. Spending the Benteke money already or new owners?
Urgent replacement for Delph.
By God I hope not.
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£9m too. Spending the Benteke money already or new owners?
Or neither. Probably the usual 20 million or so lerner gives a new manager.
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Urgent replacement for Delph? I had no idea that we had sold him, that the Bournemouth game was upon us or that they even play in the same position.
This guy was supposed to be Schniederlins replacement for Southampton in the event he's sold. If he is half as good as that bloke, then the quality of our midfield will take a sinificant leap forwards.
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Watched the one match comp of him on Youtube (vs Everton in the EL, so no worrying about quality of opposition) and he looks handy enough: can run with the ball, eager with the pressing, some nice passes. WhoScored has him at 3.1 tackles and 2.8 interceptions a game, so you'd think he would be just fine as a ball winner. 63 passes per game at 86.4%, which is a cut better than Sanchez's numbers.
9 million is getting away from being a bargain, but he looks a good 'un. There's always the case of wondering if the speed of thought translate to English football though.
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Lets hope that he is better than the last 2 midfield players that we brought off French clubs!
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Is he right- or left-footed?
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If this is true it will be nice to spend a decent amount of money on a player. Although I hope it doesn't signify the departure of Delph or Benteke.
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our track record with French players isn't good; the lad looks the buisness but so did Makoun
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Is Idrissa guaranteed to start or will he have to elba his way into the team ?
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Surely the obvious pun here is the "Ha, Gueye!" one.
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He reminds me a bit of Sissokho at Newcastle, from the little of I've seen of him on YouTube. If he turns out to be as good, £9m will be about right.
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His Wiki page is good
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If our central midfield going into the new season is, assuming this signing comes off, Gueye, Delph, Westwood, Sanchez and Gardner then I'm happy enough with that. If Delph goes we're still light.
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Could be reasonable if we are laying out the fee quoted.
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£9m too. Spending the Benteke money already or new owners?
Urgent replacement for Delph.
Timely replacement for Cleverley.
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£9m too. Spending the Benteke money already or new owners?
Urgent replacement for Delph.
Timely replacement for Cleverley.
Replacement for Kevin Richardson
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According to John Percy (Telegraph) on Twitter he's flown in to Brum for talks.
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As they played together a couple of years ago, maybe convincing Gueye to sign will finally be Joe Cole's time to shine.
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Weren't Southampton pretty confident a few days ago with a £7m bid?
Surely Gueye isn't a Delph replacement?
Maybe, just maybe, he's a quality addition to the existing squad.
Wouldn't that be nice?
That's Beach Boys, not Marvin...
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I hope that he's not a Delph replacement but he sounds ok,
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Is Idrissa guaranteed to start or will he have to elba his way into the team ?
Ha ha!
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Right, let's get it on.
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Weren't Southampton pretty confident a few days ago with a £7m bid?
Surely Gueye isn't a Delph replacement?
Maybe, just maybe, he's a quality addition to the existing squad.
Wouldn't that be nice?
That's Beach Boys, not Marvin...
God only knows........
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Weren't Southampton pretty confident a few days ago with a £7m bid?
Surely Gueye isn't a Delph replacement?
Maybe, just maybe, he's a quality addition to the existing squad.
Wouldn't that be nice?
That's Beach Boys, not Marvin...
God only knows........
Is this deal giving us good vibrations?
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Get French Football News (http://www.getfootballnewsfrance.com/2015/idrissa-gueye-travelling-to-birmingham-for-aston-villa-talks/)
According to RMC, Lille defensive midfielder Idrissa Gueye will be in Birmingham today for contract talks with Premier League side Aston Villa.
Marseille (€8m + €1m bonus), West Ham (€10m + bonus) and Crystal Palace (unknown) have all made offers but none of these sides have reached Lille’s €12.5m evaluation for the player, unlike Aston Villa whose offer totals at €12.7m.
Southampton are also very interested and had previously made offers for the player, time will tell whether this piece of news will trigger other Premier League sides into a bidding war. The player’s two core ambitions are to play in the Premier League and in the Champions League. Entering English airspace, who knows what might happen. Villa lead, but a deal is not done.
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Hopefully we won't get him pinched from under our noses.
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Struggling to get excited purely because of our previous record of signing players from the French league or with a history in the French league. Berson, Djemba, makoun, n'zogbia, Sylla all spring to mind, hopefully this one will buck the trend.
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Struggling to get excited purely because of our previous record of signing players from the French league or with a history in the French league. Berson, Djemba, makoun, n'zogbia, Sylla all spring to mind, hopefully this one will buck the trend.
John Carew did ok.
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Why would the performance from players who came from the same place have any bearing on how good he is?
We got McGrath and Djemba-Djemba from the same place. We signed Andy Gray and De La Cruz from the same league.
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Looks like he will add some much needed presence and pace to our midfield. Then again, Kea looked like he would do the same based on youtube clips.
possible upgrade on the likes of Westwood and a trio of Gueye, Sanchez and Delph further forward next term is an exciting one.
There is a valid concern that European midfielders have struggled with the physicality and pace of the EPL but our failures Kea, Berson, Makoun were also down to the fact that they were... eh... a little bit sh*t to put it kindly
More importantly its a sign that our club are interested in competing again when we are agreeing fees for that kind of money for exciting talents like Gueye.
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I was thinking of it from a culture point of view, they didn't settle although many of those were good players. John Carew had been about and is somewhat different to the players mentioned. He may do well, personally I'm just looking at it cautiously.
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I'd much rather take the gamble on this fella than be signing players like Huddle20stone or Carroll. I hope Randy is going to be a little ambitious this summer, regardless of whether we've got two star players heading to the exit. I'd rather we showed enough ambition to tempt them to stay.
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I was thinking of it from a culture point of view, they didn't settle although many of those were good players. John Carew had been about and is somewhat different to the players mentioned. He may do well, personally I'm just looking at it cautiously.
Carew didnt settle anywhere else really in his career, maybe Gueye should spend a bit of time down Legs 11 like big John to settle in!!!
I dont think any of the midfielders we had who didnt settle (Makoun, Berson, Kea) were good enough players really, for pretty poor Villa sides too. None of them went on to better things after the Villa.
Makoun was nearly as big a Captain as Balaban, an absolute charlatan of a player.
French league football is played at a pretty relaxed pace but I'm completely in favour of getting in the likes of Gueye instead of Huddlestone, Cleverley etc
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Would be happy with this. Hopefully this is a sign we'll be paying decent fees for players now, could do with a few more this summer!
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Put it this way, it would make a lot more sense if we have new owners coming in who aren't going to give a shit if a £9m transfer doesn't work out, and there is plenty more to try again, but if we're spending a big chunk of the budget on an unknown in Premier League terms and we're only thinking of surviving again, it would be slightly mad. Another consideration is if Delph and Benteke are close to leaving for £40m and we have that money plus some extra out of the coffers, then it would make more sense also.
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Don't think Delph would be going on the back of this - if anything I think he'll be an upgrade on Westwood to play alongside Delph. Hope we get him - even though tbh I don't know anything about him!
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There is a valid concern that European midfielders have struggled with the physicality and pace of the EPL but our failures Kea, Berson, Makoun were also down to the fact that they were... eh... a little bit sh*t to put it kindly
Not wanting to divert the argument elsewhere, but I never thought Makoun got much of a chance, really.
re European midfielders struggling with the physicality and pace, true, lots of them have struggled, but equally, lots of them have managed superbly.
just not for us :-(
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There is a valid concern that European midfielders have struggled with the physicality and pace of the EPL but our failures Kea, Berson, Makoun were also down to the fact that they were... eh... a little bit sh*t to put it kindly
Not wanting to divert the argument elsewhere, but I never thought Makoun got much of a chance, really.
re European midfielders struggling with the physicality and pace, true, lots of them have struggled, but equally, lots of them have managed superbly.
just not for us :-(
I agree. A change of manager didn't help Makoun really but yes, some player's need time to settle. Who know's how Sanchez might turn out now he's got a season under his belt?
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I will always maintain that Houllier would have got the very best out of Makoun. And imagine a midfield of Makoun and Cabeye.
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He's good but I prefer his brother Marvin
I heard about this earlier through the grapevine.
i was wondering how you knew it
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Makoun was a tidy player, but it was clear he looked like little boy lost in the premier league. He may have faired better by having a box to box dominant midfielder next to him, a Viera or even an Ian Taylor in his pomp. Berson similar although to a lesser extent.
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There is a valid concern that European midfielders have struggled with the physicality and pace of the EPL but our failures Kea, Berson, Makoun were also down to the fact that they were... eh... a little bit sh*t to put it kindly
Not wanting to divert the argument elsewhere, but I never thought Makoun got much of a chance, really.
re European midfielders struggling with the physicality and pace, true, lots of them have struggled, but equally, lots of them have managed superbly.
just not for us :-(
I agree. A change of manager didn't help Makoun really but yes, some player's need time to settle. Who know's how Sanchez might turn out now he's got a season under his belt?
Sanchez will do very well thank you and possibly so will Kozac if Benteke clears off.
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Is Kozac going to be fit for the start of the season? To be fair, he could do well if he gets over the injuries.
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I'll be really pissed off if Delph goes and I have to change my username from Phili International to Motown.
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Well at least we cannot sign Jazz Richards. He has gone to Fulham......hooray!
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I fear another restless summer of underwhelment.
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I fear another restless summer of underwhelment.
I fear another summer of miserable posts.
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Gueye is now in Birmingham for his medical, according to the Guardian.
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Kozak is ready for pre-season training.
Quite excited to be signing a player for a decent wedge again.
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I fear another restless summer of underwhelment.
Which you're expressing in a thread in which we're about to pay more for a player than we have for about five years?
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Makoun was a tidy player, but it was clear he looked like little boy lost in the premier league. He may have faired better by having a box to box dominant midfielder next to him, a Viera or even an Ian Taylor in his pomp. Berson similar although to a lesser extent.
He didn't look very intimidated away at United. Just that he got injured and then we botched everything with firstly the loan and then allegedly forgetting to renew his work permit or some nonsense like that.
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I fear another restless summer of underwhelment.
Which you're expressing in a thread in which we're about to pay more for a player than we have for about five years?
point of your post received as follows
(http://www.gifbin.com/bin/052011/1304618376_tumbleweed-gif.gif)
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Right, let's get it on.
Let's just hope it happens 'in our lifetime'.
-only true Marvin fans need worry about that one-
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I fear another restless summer of underwhelment.
Now there's a surprise.
If we ever get you and LTA in the same room, the universe will probably collapse in on itself due to the creation of the biggest black hole ever observed, sucking the light out of the very fabric of the space-time continuum.
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I fear another restless summer of underwhelment.
Which you're expressing in a thread in which we're about to pay more for a player than we have for about five years?
I didn't realise we were paying £9.5m for him. That's a good sign hopefully and not just any possible money we are getting for Delph.
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I fear another restless summer of underwhelment.
Which you're expressing in a thread in which we're about to pay more for a player than we have for about five years?
I didn't realise we were paying £9.5m for him. That's a good sign hopefully and not just any possible money we are getting for Delph.
The fee has been quoted near enough everywhere. Lovely bit of backtracking though.
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I fear another restless summer of underwhelment.
Which you're expressing in a thread in which we're about to pay more for a player than we have for about five years?
I didn't realise we were paying £9.5m for him. That's a good sign hopefully and not just any possible money we are getting for Delph.
The first step to recovery is realizing and accepting you have a problem. I've fixed for free your previous post to help you on this journey. Good luck
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He's good but I prefer his brother Marvin
I heard about this earlier through the grapevine.
i was wondering how you knew it
I bet you were.
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Makoun was a tidy player, but it was clear he looked like little boy lost in the premier league. He may have faired better by having a box to box dominant midfielder next to him, a Viera or even an Ian Taylor in his pomp. Berson similar although to a lesser extent.
He didn't look very intimidated away at United. Just that he got injured and then we botched everything with firstly the loan and then allegedly forgetting to renew his work permit or some nonsense like that.
Which United?
It was a surprise that we didn't give him more opportunities than we did. A bit like Carlos Gil thus far.
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And the pic of him from the Guardian article...
(http://i.guim.co.uk/img/static/sys-images/Sport/Pix/columnists/2015/7/2/1435839202563/Idrissa-Gueye-009.jpg?w=620&q=85&auto=format&sharp=10&s=958a75323e689b69873bbe64d06da67b)
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Makoun was a tidy player, but it was clear he looked like little boy lost in the premier league. He may have faired better by having a box to box dominant midfielder next to him, a Viera or even an Ian Taylor in his pomp. Berson similar although to a lesser extent.
He didn't look very intimidated away at United. Just that he got injured and then we botched everything with firstly the loan and then allegedly forgetting to renew his work permit or some nonsense like that.
Which United?
It was a surprise that we didn't give him more opportunities than we did. A bit like Carlos Gil thus far.
Away at Old Trafford. We were outplayed as usual but pulled it back to 2-1 at one stage, and I remember Makoun looking very assured with his passing. Of course, he was more up and down in the other games he played right after signing with us, and I agree that he probably was best-suited playing next to a more physical player, but he definitely had the right qualities. I think if we had gotten it right, he might have matched Barry as a Villa player - probably not as good defensively, but a better passer.
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Hopefully, he cuts this out of his game :)
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He's good but I prefer his brother Marvin
I heard about this earlier through the grapevine.
i was wondering how you knew it
I bet you were.
Bollocks, Chelsea come in at the last minute.
They have plans to make him blue.
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Just seen him arriving at Birmingham Airport. Wearing a most delightful titfer! Looks in good condition. Got his agent in tow.
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23 caps for Senegal in four years.
Does he have a French passport or might there be issues with a work permit?
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Hopefully, he cuts this out of his game :)
I think I did that in my last ever competitive game. Hung up my boots straight after full time.
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Just seen him arriving at Birmingham Airport. Wearing a most delightful titfer! Looks in good condition. Got his agent in tow.
Ooh! He'll be passing me here in a minute.
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Just seen him arriving at Birmingham Airport. Wearing a most delightful titfer! Looks in good condition. Got his agent in tow.
Ooh! He'll be passing me here in a minute.
let me know and continue the M.Gaye theme...
what's happening brother :)
UTV
The Doc
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any pictures?
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Just seen him arriving at Birmingham Airport. Wearing a most delightful titfer! Looks in good condition. Got his agent in tow.
Hmm, maybe wherever he lays his hat...
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There was one on Twitter
any pictures?
https://twitter.com/bobchuwah
https://twitter.com/jamiedowner1
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CI60D7rUsAAULAG.jpg:large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CI5xjesWsAAgEkH.jpg)
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Send him back for wearing that hat.
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Rude Boy!
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is he walking to BMH? Surely we could have run to a cab?
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is he walking to BMH? Surely we could have run to a cab?
He's quick, he's fab, he'll never catch a cab
Idrissa Gueye, Idrissa Gueye!
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he's here, he's there, with loads of time to spare
Mr Gueye, Mr Gueye
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A message to you Rude Gueye....
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Obviously on his way to the agents car in the short stay.
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From players we've got, including Marvin:
Guzan
Bacuna
Richards
Clark
Richardson
Delph
Sanchez
Marvin
Gil
Grealish
Benteke
With probably a new keeper, left-back and more to come, if we can hold onto the others that looks a pretty good side to me.
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Rude Boy!
This town
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CI60D7rUsAAULAG.jpg:large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CI5xjesWsAAgEkH.jpg)
He probably sings lip up fatty to his agent.
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From players we've got, including Marvin:
Guzan
Bacuna
Richards
Clark
Richardson
Delph
Sanchez
Marvin
Gil
Grealish
Benteke
With probably a new keeper, left-back and more to come, if we can hold onto the others that looks a pretty good side to me.
Sherwood seems to have something against Gil
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Weren't Southampton pretty confident a few days ago with a £7m bid?
Surely Gueye isn't a Delph replacement?
Maybe, just maybe, he's a quality addition to the existing squad.
Wouldn't that be nice?
That's Beach Boys, not Marvin...
God only knows........
Is this deal giving us good vibrations?
If this goes wrong there could be Anarchy in the UK
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There is a Yippe Ay Ay song with his name written all over it isn't there?
Just realised I have posted that without actually knowing for certain how you say his name.
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I like that hat
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There's only one Idrissa Gueye.
In all probability.
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Weren't Southampton pretty confident a few days ago with a £7m bid?
Surely Gueye isn't a Delph replacement?
Maybe, just maybe, he's a quality addition to the existing squad.
Wouldn't that be nice?
That's Beach Boys, not Marvin...
God only knows........
Is this deal giving us good vibrations?
If this goes wrong there could be Anarchy in the UK
Flogging a dead horse?
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He's good but I prefer his brother Marvin
I heard about this earlier through the grapevine.
i was wondering how you knew it
Well, I`ll be Doggone, Let`s get it on ... hopefully he`s not a Trouble Man, although I believe he is a stubborn kind of fella - but with French guys Aint that Peculiar.
Lets come get to this `cos I want you. 8)
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He appears to be Marlo Stanfield.
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Wait, what's happening brother?
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I like that hat. He looks like he belongs in the early 80s ska era
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He's good but I prefer his brother Marvin
I heard about this earlier through the grapevine.
i was wondering how you knew it
Well, I`ll be Doggone, Let`s get it on ... hopefully he`s not a Trouble Man, although I believe he is a stubborn kind of fella - but with French guys Aint that Peculiar.
Lets come get to this `cos I want you. 8)
What's going on?
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He's good but I prefer his brother Marvin
I heard about this earlier through the grapevine.
i was wondering how you knew it
Well, I`ll be Doggone, Let`s get it on ... hopefully he`s not a Trouble Man, although I believe he is a stubborn kind of fella - but with French guys Aint that Peculiar.
Lets come get to this `cos I want you. 8)
What's going on?
Well they will have discussed personal terms and Idrissa is going back to the hotel (which is based in a seedy part of North London with ladies of the night abundant) to think about it.
Sexual Ealing!
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There was a post of a Facebook page 18 minutes ago saying that a 4 year deal signed.
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Official Facebook Aston Villa site?
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Nope. A page which said it's his new official page.
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Why would he need a 'new official page' just because he moved to a different club?
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Daily Mail saying Southampton are trying to hijack the deal.
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From players we've got, including Marvin:
Guzan
Bacuna
Richards
Clark
Richardson
Delph
Sanchez
Marvin
Gil
Grealish
Benteke
With probably a new keeper, left-back and more to come, if we can hold onto the others that looks a pretty good side to me.
I'd put Richards at right back, then we'd need a CB along with a LB. Guzan is a good goalkeeper, I'd keep him. Would like a CM to replace Sanchez in that lineup too.
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Daily Mail saying Southampton are trying to hijack the deal.
Three days ago they were saying Southampton were about to sign him.
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I'd put Richards at right back, then we'd need a CB along with a LB. Guzan is a good goalkeeper, I'd keep him. Would like a CM to replace Sanchez in that lineup too.
Maybe we should try and get that holding midfielder whose been playing so well for Colombia at Copa America - you know, the one who had Neymar in his back pocket in the Brazil game - what's his name again...
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From players we've got, including Marvin:
Guzan
Bacuna
Richards
Clark
Richardson
Delph
Sanchez
Marvin
Gil
Grealish
Benteke
With probably a new keeper, left-back and more to come, if we can hold onto the others that looks a pretty good side to me.
I'd put Richards at right back, then we'd need a CB along with a LB. Guzan is a good goalkeeper, I'd keep him. Would like a CM to replace Sanchez in that lineup too.
I'd have Bacuna at right back because Richards will be injured. Baker and Richardson at centre-back because all the others will be injured as well. Gueye won't sign for us, and if he does then he's clearly not good enough anyway, and Delph will be gone (obviously), so Westwood and Sanchez (who are both shit) in midfield. Sherwood as first reserve in that position as Gardner is too inexperienced, too old to get any experience and obviously injured.
And we're going to sign Bent from Derby for £5m because we're going to give Benteke away to Liverpool for free, so him and Delfouneso (because obviously we can only attract players who are free and not good enough) up front.
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From players we've got, including Marvin:
Guzan
Bacuna
Richards
Clark
Richardson
Delph
Sanchez
Marvin
Gil
Grealish
Benteke
With probably a new keeper, left-back and more to come, if we can hold onto the others that looks a pretty good side to me.
I'd put Richards at right back, then we'd need a CB along with a LB. Guzan is a good goalkeeper, I'd keep him. Would like a CM to replace Sanchez in that lineup too.
I'd have Bacuna at right back because Richards will be injured. Baker and Richardson at centre-back because all the others will be injured as well. Gueye won't sign for us, and if he does then he's clearly not good enough anyway, and Delph will be gone (obviously), so Westwood and Sanchez (who are both shit) in midfield. Sherwood as first reserve in that position as Gardner is too inexperienced, too old to get any experience and obviously injured.
And we're going to sign Bent from Derby for £5m because we're going to give Benteke away to Liverpool for free, so him and Delfouneso (because obviously we can only attract players who are free and not good enough) up front.
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Now that's what I call positive thinking.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/33362759
Normally once it gets reported on the Beeb like this it's a done deal....
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But then again maybe not http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2015/07/02/report-southampton-consider-late-bid-for-idrissa-gueye-despite-h/?
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Daily Mail saying Southampton are trying to hijack the deal.
Three days ago they were saying Southampton were about to sign him.
Meanwhile another obscure media outlet has published a Liverpool starting formation with Benteke in it!
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But then again maybe not http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2015/07/02/report-southampton-consider-late-bid-for-idrissa-gueye-despite-h/?
While they're considering a move we can be dotting the i's and crossing the t's on a 4-year contract.
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Who the hell are HITC Sport? (or are they a really famous and reputable source and I've missed something?)
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/33362759
Normally once it gets reported on the Beeb like this it's a done deal....
Some of us remember when Cloughie introduced Ian Storey Moore on the pitch as a Derby player. Then he signed for Man United.
Don't believe anything until it happens.
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He's probably in the Bel Air now. Pogo'ing.
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Who the hell are HITC Sport? (or are they a really famous and reputable source and I've missed something?)
They largely seem to write "controversial" clickbait articles and reconstitute stuff from Twitter as far as I can tell.
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Who the hell are HITC Sport? (or are they a really famous and reputable source and I've missed something?)
They largely seem to write "controversial" clickbait articles and reconstitute stuff from Twitter as far as I can tell.
Well there's a reliable source then.
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I assume (but I could be wrong) that today they spent discussing personal terms, with his agent contributing. Tonight his agent will contact Southampton to see what they have on the table for his client if Southampton can match our bid.
The medical should be tomorrow morning at Bodymoor if all is still well. The announcement should be early in the afternoon.
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But then again maybe not http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2015/07/02/report-southampton-consider-late-bid-for-idrissa-gueye-despite-h/?
While they're considering a move we can be dotting the i's and crossing the t's on a 4-year contract.
They're rehashing a Daily Mail article. They link to it twice.
I refuse to sully my phone by clicking on the links.
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Daily Mail saying Southampton are trying to hijack the deal.
That's how papers get sold and articles get clicked on.
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It says Lille want to start a bidding war despite having already accepted an offer. And least be consistent with your BS...
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Daily Mail saying Southampton are trying to hijack the deal.
He should tell them to take a (Hitch-)hike.
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Presuming it all goes through I'm very positive about this deal. For too long we've concentrated on underwhelming purchases from within the isle while even omnishableses like Newcastle found good deals in France and so on. Gueye looks almost designed to be a Premier League success, so let's hope it comes off - I for one am hopeful.
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Pretty positive really. Combined with Richards & Sinclair our acquisitions definitely have taken a step up this window. Nice to see Sherwood want to pack our midfield a bit more as well we probably need at least one more midfielder this window (so we can rotate & cover injuries) but Gueye would be a great acquisition.
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Presuming it all goes through I'm very positive about this deal. For too long we've concentrated on underwhelming purchases from within the isle while even omnishableses like Newcastle found good deals in France and so on. Gueye looks almost designed to be a Premier League success, so let's hope it comes off - I for one am hopeful.
That providing it goes through bit, Villa, what seems like a really decent player. You have to worry don't you!
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Him being in Brum is a good sign surely, why fly over if you want to go somewhere else.
Think this will be done by the weekend although I remember last year the Sanchez deal took a few days to get confirmed.
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Me having a hospital appointment tomorrow is a good sign too. There's been an uncanny pattern of us signing players when I've been at the hospital over the last couple of summers.
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Him being in Brum is a good sign surely, why fly over if you want to go somewhere else.
Think this will be done by the weekend
It's how agents work. Play clubs off one another to maximise profit.
This will come down to who pays the most .
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Him being in Brum is a good sign surely, why fly over if you want to go somewhere else.
Think this will be done by the weekend
It's how agents work. Play clubs off one another to maximise profit.
This will come down to who pays the most .
That only applies where more than one club has a bid accepted.
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I'd put Richards at right back, then we'd need a CB along with a LB. Guzan is a good goalkeeper, I'd keep him. Would like a CM to replace Sanchez in that lineup too.
Maybe we should try and get that holding midfielder whose been playing so well for Colombia at Copa America - you know, the one who had Neymar in his back pocket in the Brazil game - what's his name again...
If he played like that every week, he'd be one of the first names on the team sheet. I like him though and want him to stay, but a midfield of Sanchez, Gueye, and Delph seems a bit too defensive. Would like a player who can score goals in there.
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Him being in Brum is a good sign surely, why fly over if you want to go somewhere else.
Think this will be done by the weekend
It's how agents work. Play clubs off one another to maximise profit.
This will come down to who pays the most .
That only applies where more than one club has a bid accepted.
What's stopping other bids ? Or are we in exclusivity period
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Me having a hospital appointment tomorrow is a good sign too. There's been an uncanny pattern of us signing players when I've been at the hospital over the last couple of summers.
So if your not in hospital next summer, you alright to get your head kicked him? For the Aston Villa?
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See it's weird I knew nothing about Gueye two days ago, but now I'm nervous that a deal for him might get hijacked. Football is a strange game.
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See it's weird I knew nothing about Gueye two days ago, but now I'm nervous that a deal for him might get hijacked. Football is a strange game.
It's the hat isn't it?
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Who the hell are HITC Sport? (or are they a really famous and reputable source and I've missed something?)
They just pick up stuff from other media sources and publish it under their banner. They're tossers. This bit of journalism came from the Daily Mail so nothing new, just re-gurgitated crap
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http://www.fansnetwork.co.uk/football/southampton/news/39144/?
'That being the case if Saints should truly be interested then they have a lot more to offer than Villa who are a club in turmoil with ownership issues to be resolved whilst on the pitch they had a poor season in the Premier League only escaping relegation on the penultimate game of the season and next years prospects don't seem much better with mid table at best. '
Delusions of grandeur after overachieving or a valid point?
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http://www.fansnetwork.co.uk/football/southampton/news/39144/?
'That being the case if Saints should truly be interested then they have a lot more to offer than Villa who are a club in turmoil with ownership issues to be resolved whilst on the pitch they had a poor season in the Premier League only escaping relegation on the penultimate game of the season and next years prospects don't seem much better with mid table at best. '
Delusions of grandeur after overachieving or a valid point?
Some validity if you look at the last two seasons but we're a bigger club without doubt and I have a feeling we'll be able/willing to offer him more money. But if they're after the same player of us why are there prospects for next season so much better? They might be losing schneiderlin and Alderweild as well.
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If you look at us since O'Neill left, then it's a valid point, we haven't much going for us at the moment. But look at our stadium, fanbase and facilities it should be a no brainer. Sherwood has to sell a vision of where he is bringing this club to clinch these signings. We are Aston Villa, they are a very well run small club.
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But look at our stadium, fanbase and facilities it should be a no brainer. Sherwood has to sell a vision of where he is bringing this club to clinch these signings. We are Aston Villa, they are a very well run small club.
Unfortunately I don't think this matters anymore, the generations growing up now have always seen Chelsea, Citeh as big clubs. I honestly think the majority of people see Villa as one of the teams who makes the numbers in the Premier League nowadays.
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But look at our stadium, fanbase and facilities it should be a no brainer. Sherwood has to sell a vision of where he is bringing this club to clinch these signings. We are Aston Villa, they are a very well run small club.
Unfortunately I don't think this matters anymore, the generations growing up now have always seen Chelsea, Citeh as big clubs. I honestly think the majority of people see Villa as one of the teams who makes the numbers in the Premier League nowadays.
But we're not competing with Chelsea and Citeh to sign him.
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Me having a hospital appointment tomorrow is a good sign too. There's been an uncanny pattern of us signing players when I've been at the hospital over the last couple of summers.
So if your not in hospital next summer, you alright to get your head kicked him? For the Aston Villa?
Better not be in hospital next year, I'm fed up of these follow-up consultations. I'm sure Villa are capable of still doing business, it's just been odd coincidences on 3 occasions.
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I don't know Gueye at all. But if we spending that kind of money he must have something. Just hope he ends up with us.
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If you look at us since O'Neill left, then it's a valid point, we haven't much going for us at the moment. But look at our stadium, fanbase and facilities it should be a no brainer. Sherwood has to sell a vision of where he is bringing this club to clinch these signings. We are Aston Villa, they are a very well run small club.
All these considerations are becoming less relevant as broadcast income increases as a percentage of clubs' income. A bad thing relative to us and clubs like Southampton; a good thing relative to us and clubs perceived to be 'bigger' than us, and probably a good thing for the competitiveness of the Premier League.
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the geezer's got good taste in hats and a lovely set of regular white teeth; beyond that I know nothing about him and was totally unaware of his place in the footballing firmament until two days ago. If we get him fine, if we don't, then presumably Tim has other targets which we may, or may not, have heard of.
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SSN are reporting that personal terms have been agreed and that he's currently undergoing a medical. Hopefully some positive news in the next few hours...
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Well hoorah
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Looks like one in and one out. Hope we replace Benteke in similar fashion.
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Has Benteke gone???
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not unless he's outflanked every sports news outlet in the world. I think it was a reference to the fact that it was a given that he would go
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Sorry I was alluding to it being possible its idrissa in and Delph out. If so then I hope we do the same with Benteke.
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SSN are reporting that personal terms have been agreed and that he's currently undergoing a medical. Hopefully some positive news in the next few hours...
From Sky...................Godzvilla!
Midfielder Idrissa Gueye has agreed personal terms on a four-year contract at Aston Villa and will undergo a medical on Friday morning, according to Sky sources.
Sky sources reported on Thursday that Villa had agreed a £9m deal with Lille to sign the Senagalese and that he was on his way to Birmingham to finalise his transfer.
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Copied from avillafan.com
Hi guys, I'm a fan of LOSC, I just give you some informations about Gueye.
Don't trust the ranking of the LOSC this season in the french league to judge this player. Lille this season had some second division level players and some Champions League level players, Gueye is one of these players.
He was really impressive in every single game during the past three seasons. His favorite position is in front of the defense, but he can also play "box to box" occasionaly. He can simply do everything: recover ball, pass cleanly and quickly forward, dribble ... He's not perfect of course: he takes very occasionaly risks in the rpass and he doesn't shot often on target.
To give you a comparison: most Lille fans think he is better than Cabaye and this is also my case. It is our Hazard for the recovery. If this guy was playing in Porto, he would be sold 30M, you're very lucky to have him.
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This interesting. I'd picked up he was more box to box but maybe he could play DCM. When I watched a clip he did look quite delph-like.
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The Guardian's Stuart James on Twitter six mins ago:
Idrissa Gueye deal done with Villa - subject to work permit but should be a formality. Sherwood played a big part in convincing him to sign.
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What do you reckon his buy-out clause is? #bantz
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So apparently Sherwood has been instrumental in securing Richards and Gueye. I know it's way too early to be overly optimistic as we might lose two key players but I have growing confidence that even if we do we will replace them with good players.
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Agreed Toronto. It's been a good start to the window for Sherwood.
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You can imagine him sitting a player down, giving him the stare and being completely convincing about what he wants to do.
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If the stuff we've been told is true, then this does seem like the sort of clear-cut upgrade we needed if we were going to get someone else in that position. Hopefully he and Delph are good enough to play as a midfield two and allow us to play with an extra attacker.
A LB and a right winger and keeping hold of Benteke and Delph and that's a good transfer window.
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Yes - but I bet he has a low release-clause.
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Copied from avillafan.com
Hi guys, I'm a fan of LOSC, I just give you some informations about Gueye.
Don't trust the ranking of the LOSC this season in the french league to judge this player. Lille this season had some second division level players and some Champions League level players, Gueye is one of these players.
He was really impressive in every single game during the past three seasons. His favorite position is in front of the defense, but he can also play "box to box" occasionaly. He can simply do everything: recover ball, pass cleanly and quickly forward, dribble ... He's not perfect of course: he takes very occasionaly risks in the rpass and he doesn't shot often on target.
To give you a comparison: most Lille fans think he is better than Cabaye and this is also my case. It is our Hazard for the recovery. If this guy was playing in Porto, he would be sold 30M, you're very lucky to have him.
He'll fit in just fine with Grealish then, I joke of course.
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I wonder if Joe Cole has been involved in this proposed deal?
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I wonder if Joe Cole has been involved in this proposed deal?
Maybe he has made himself useful and picked him up from the airport?
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Made everybody a nice cup of tea?
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Chained himself Suffragette stylee to Jack when they'e not training or playing?
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If the stuff we've been told is true, then this does seem like the sort of clear-cut upgrade we needed if we were going to get someone else in that position. Hopefully he and Delph are good enough to play as a midfield two and allow us to play with an extra attacker.
A LB and a right winger and keeping hold of Benteke and Delph and that's a good transfer window.
How about a quality striker. Now Cleverly's gone Benteke's are only goal threat.
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We'll miss the goal threat of Lowton too.
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and Tony once in a blue Moon
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You can imagine him sitting a player down, giving him the stare and being completely convincing about what he wants to do.
I reckon Tim offered him a Villa gilet as part of the deal and that done the trick.
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All done according to Graun.
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/jul/03/idrissa-gueye-aston-villa-lille
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and Tony once in a blue Moon
The threat of a wayward shot into the Holte End will be missed once Tonev goes too.
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All done according to Graun.
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/jul/03/idrissa-gueye-aston-villa-lille
Nice photo of him showing TC23 a clean pair of heels :)
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Good to hear it sounds like Sherwood has good persuasion skills.
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There is a Yippe Ay Ay song with his name written all over it isn't there?
Just realised I have posted that without actually knowing for certain how you say his name.
Idrissa Gana Gueye
ID RISSA GANNA GAY
[ ɪˈdrɪsə ˈgænə ˈgeɪ ]
Did you know that he was spotted by the er... Diambars football academy in Sengeal (Patrick Vieira and Bernard Lama are involved with them). Diambar means "warrior", IIRC. Erstwhile poster Chicago Villa posted a Youtube video where Gueye gets lavish praise from the aforementioned players and his Lille Manager Rémi Garcia:
In French, so tough tit for many of you ;-)
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ID RISSA GANNA GAY
[ ɪˈdrɪsə ˈgænə ˈgeɪ ]
You can piss off, I'm not ganna gay for anybody.
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I could go lesbian
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Is GANA his middle name ?
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Well what do you know, the Daily Mail are now saying he's joining us 24 hours after saying Southampton were hijacking it.
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Is GANA his middle name ?
Yes, it was also his grandfather's first name. It appears that last season he stopped having Gueye on the back of his shirts (http://www.wiwsport.com/View/detailNews.php?idN=14983) [article in French] and had Gana instead.
Gana and Gueye are great homophones for a song...
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It's probably me but I thought the loose ends would have been concluded last night.
Still nothing announced at the moment. Knowing our luck his agent is trying to negiote
a better. deal for his client elsewhere overnight
As I say it is its probably me.
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It's probably me but I thought the loose ends would have been concluded last night.
Still nothing announced at the moment. Knowing our luck his agent is trying to negiote
a better. deal for his client elsewhere overnight
As I say it is its probably me.
I wonder if it could be work permit problems not sure what his situation is with that?
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Stuart James is one of the journos I trust most on villa and he reckons it's a done deal.
Just think about how many deals you've read about being concluded about twenty times over the last fortnight. I think Liverpool have signed clyne every day since mid June.
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isn't it now just waiting on a work permit?
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isn't it now just waiting on a work permit?
I hope so.
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Is the work permit going to be a problem. I don't think he's been playing regularly for his national side recently. Or does the fact that he has been living and working in another EU country overcome the issues with a player coming direct from Africa or elsewhere.
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Having been in France since 13, I'd have thought he'd have dual nationality, or is that me playing too much Championship Manager?
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Gana and Gueye are great homophones for a song...
Should we really be encouraging homophonic chants at Villa Park ?
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we must have been aware of the fact that he would need a work permit and have been confident he would get one wouldn't we, before making and offer, and agreeing terms with the guy? On the other hand, didn't we did forget to renew Makoun's?.
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we must have been aware of the fact that he would need a work permit and have been confident he would get one wouldn't we, before making and offer, and agreeing terms with the guy? On the other hand, didn't we did forget to renew Makoun's?.
The deal will be contingent on his work permit being approved and I am sure they expect it to be straight forward.
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we must have been aware of the fact that he would need a work permit and have been confident he would get one wouldn't we, before making and offer, and agreeing terms with the guy? On the other hand, didn't we did forget to renew Makoun's?.
If I remember rightly, Makoun's problem was that he couldn't pass a language test to get an extension to the initial 2 years after spending a year in Greece with no English tuition.
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Gana and Gueye are great homophones for a song...
Should we really be encouraging homophonic chants at Villa Park ?
Homophonic is perfectly OK - actually it should be encouraged (2 musical chords in harmony) - I think you are mixed up with homophobic!
It didn't work with Djemba-Djemba but here's hoping Gana Gueye will at least give us some rhythm in our play!
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Gana and Gueye are great homophones for a song...
Should we really be encouraging homophonic chants at Villa Park ?
Homophonic is perfectly OK - actually it should be encouraged (2 musical chords in harmony) - I think you are mixed up with homophobic!
Glad we got that straight.
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Gana and Gueye are great homophones for a song...
Should we really be encouraging homophonic chants at Villa Park ?
Homophonic is perfectly OK - actually it should be encouraged (2 musical chords in harmony) - I think you are mixed up with homophobic!
Um..... no ???
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Having been in France since 13, I'd have thought he'd have dual nationality, or is that me playing too much Championship Manager?
He only has Senegalese nationality according to Transfermarkt.
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So do I take it that matters cannot be concluded until late Monday morning at the earliest? My problem is that I do not trust agents in the slightest and he might be offering our prospective player to all and sundry this weekend to further enhance his own pot of gold
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French sports' newspaper L'Équipe is saying it's a done deal according to their informations, he apparently agreed to a four year contract already. And that Villa, Lille and Gueye won't communicate anything about it until mid-July.
But they mixed up pounds and euros in the article, saying it's a 9 million euros transfer whereas it is 9 million pounds we're talking about. ( ~12.7 million euros )
They are also saying : " Gueye would be getting in the Premier League a gross salary of 250K euros a month, instead of the 90K euros a month he was on in France. " which after conversion would gravitate around a 45K pounds a week salary at Villa.
http://www.lequipe.fr/Football/Actualites/Idrissa-gueye-4-ans-a-aston-villa/571643
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French sports' newspaper L'Équipe is saying it's a done deal according to their informations, he apparently agreed to a four year contract already. And that Villa, Lille and Gueye won't communicate anything about it until mid-July.
But they mixed up pounds and euros in the article, saying it's a 9 million euros transfer whereas it is 9 million pounds we're talking about. ( ~12.7 million euros )
They are also saying : " Gueye would be getting in the Premier League a gross salary of 250K euros a month, instead of the 90K euros a month he was on in France. " which after conversion would gravitate around a 45K pounds a week salary at Villa.
http://www.lequipe.fr/Football/Actualites/Idrissa-gueye-4-ans-a-aston-villa/571643
Middle of July seems a little odd. What do others think about that? Should we be having concerns, I am not sure.
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Interesting if that's true about a mid-July announcement as that is when the muted exclusivity period of the takeover would be complete. So, with this and the other deals that have been talked about, are we trying to do a chunk of business before everybody knows we're flush with cash and start increasing their prices?
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A couple of weeks for the UK Border Agency desk johnnies to sort out the paperwork sounds about right.
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Interesting if that's true about a mid-July announcement as that is when the muted exclusivity period of the takeover would be complete. So, with this and the other deals that have been talked about, are we trying to do a chunk of business before everybody knows we're flush with cash and start increasing their prices?
Good point OCD it might be something like that.
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Interesting if that's true about a mid-July announcement as that is when the muted exclusivity period of the takeover would be complete. So, with this and the other deals that have been talked about, are we trying to do a chunk of business before everybody knows we're flush with cash and start increasing their prices?
Good point OCD it might be something like that.
Where it falls down though is why Lille would bother to keep it quiet.
If we're keeping it quiet so that selling clubs don't know that we're rich, it gives the game away somewhat if we go to this particular selling club and say "can we keep this deal hush-hush for a couple of weeks, we don't want clubs that we're buying players from to know how much money we.....oh, whoops".
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Interesting if that's true about a mid-July announcement as that is when the muted exclusivity period of the takeover would be complete. So, with this and the other deals that have been talked about, are we trying to do a chunk of business before everybody knows we're flush with cash and start increasing their prices?
Good point OCD it might be something like that.
Where it falls down though is why Lille would bother to keep it quiet.
If we're keeping it quiet so that selling clubs don't know that we're rich, it gives the game away somewhat if we go to this particular selling club and say "can we keep this deal hush-hush for a couple of weeks, we don't want clubs that we're buying players from to know how much money we.....oh, whoops".
Lol.
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I would expect that the terms & contract have been signed, pending the work permit. I doubt his agent would be able to then negotiate with anyone else.
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Interesting if that's true about a mid-July announcement as that is when the muted exclusivity period of the takeover would be complete. So, with this and the other deals that have been talked about, are we trying to do a chunk of business before everybody knows we're flush with cash and start increasing their prices?
Good point OCD it might be something like that.
Where it falls down though is why Lille would bother to keep it quiet.
If we're keeping it quiet so that selling clubs don't know that we're rich, it gives the game away somewhat if we go to this particular selling club and say "can we keep this deal hush-hush for a couple of weeks, we don't want clubs that we're buying players from to know how much money we.....oh, whoops".
You just make it a term of the offer.
We're probably just choosing not to announce it until a visa is granted.
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Interesting if that's true about a mid-July announcement as that is when the muted exclusivity period of the takeover would be complete. So, with this and the other deals that have been talked about, are we trying to do a chunk of business before everybody knows we're flush with cash and start increasing their prices?
Good point OCD it might be something like that.
Where it falls down though is why Lille would bother to keep it quiet.
If we're keeping it quiet so that selling clubs don't know that we're rich, it gives the game away somewhat if we go to this particular selling club and say "can we keep this deal hush-hush for a couple of weeks, we don't want clubs that we're buying players from to know how much money we.....oh, whoops".
You just make it a term of the offer.
Which is fine, but you could make it a term of any offer you then make to all those other teams that you don't want to know how much money we supposedly have.
Unless there is something about Lille specifically that won't be the case with other clubs.
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I suspect the mid July thing is more around players holidays, then they can do a mid July proper announcement and PR player stretching shirt at BH etc.
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I suspect the mid July thing is more around players holidays, then they can do a mid July proper announcement and PR player stretching shirt at BH etc.
Pre-season training starts on Monday.
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I suspect the mid July thing is more around players holidays, then they can do a mid July proper announcement and PR player stretching shirt at BH etc.
Pre-season training starts on Monday.
Not for those who haven't signed yet
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I suspect the mid July thing is more around players holidays, then they can do a mid July proper announcement and PR player stretching shirt at BH etc.
Pre-season training starts on Monday.
Not for those who haven't signed yet
Obviously. But for those who haven't signed yet, their holidays aren't going to be the thing that stops the club announcing that they have signed, will they?
That fact that they haven't signed for us will be the thing holding it up.
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I imagine a player moving countries will need a few extra days to mobilise , tie up loose ends in old country etc.
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I imagine a player moving countries will need a few extra days to mobilise , tie up loose ends in old country etc.
Gueye has been in Birmingham for the last two days. The only reason we wouldn't have announced that has has signed is if he hasn't signed yet.
He's not going to sign for us, potter off back to France for a couple of weeks, come back and only then we announce it. Him being on holiday will have nothing to do with anything.
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I suspect the mid July thing is more around players holidays, then they can do a mid July proper announcement and PR player stretching shirt at BH etc.
Pre-season training starts on Monday.
Not for those who haven't signed yet
What's Vlaar doing Monday? Still camping out?
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I'm confident that it is purely work permit related and we will hear confirmation soon.
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I'm confident that it is purely work permit related and we will hear confirmation soon.
Without doubt , aswell as the basic logistics of moving countries .
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I'm confident that it is purely work permit related and we will hear confirmation soon.
Without doubt , aswell as the basic logistics of moving countries .
That doesn't even stand up to the slightest scrutiny. Players move from one league to another all the time, whether they need work permits or not. When have the logistics of a player having to move to a new country ever caused a delay in the announcement of a new signing?
I don't remember Carles Gil or Sanchez's moves being help up by anything like that.
It seems a bit odd that suddenly, this one needs to travel back to France, cancel his direct debits / cancel his cable telly package / give notice on his flat whatever.
I would imagine the reason it hasn't been announced will be because it hasn't actually happened yet, or the club have just decided to not announce it yet.
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Fair enough then, maybe his agent is sounding out other offers.
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Fair enough then, maybe his agent is sounding out other offers.
Or maybe, just maybe a transfer like this can take more than the 72 hours that he has been in the country before it is announced as official?
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Fair enough then, maybe his agent is sounding out other offers.
Or maybe, just maybe a transfer like this can take more than the 72 hours that he has been in the country before it is announced as official?
What do you think then ? Haggling over personal terms ? Visa issue ? Sounding out other clubs ?
He's had a medical and passed hasn't he ? Why have a medical ?
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Fair enough then, maybe his agent is sounding out other offers.
Or maybe, just maybe a transfer like this can take more than the 72 hours that he has been in the country before it is announced as official?
What do you think then ?
Like I said - that the transfer of a footballer isn't the same as buying two pints of milk from Co-Op.
And that just because it hasn't been announced as official minutes after a bunch of people on the internet get wind of it doesn't mean that there is anything out of the ordinary going on.
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Fair enough then, maybe his agent is sounding out other offers.
Or maybe, just maybe a transfer like this can take more than the 72 hours that he has been in the country before it is announced as official?
What do you think then ? Haggling over personal terms ? Visa issue ? Sounding out other clubs ?
He's had a medical and passed hasn't he ? Why have a medical ?
I genuinely have no idea what you are on about, or suggesting here.
What has having a medical got to do with it? It is just one part in a whole lot of transactions that go together to make a transfer happen.
Most of us hadn't even heard of the bloke three days ago. Transfers never happen in the space of a few hours, the only reason we know he was here on Thursday is because he was spotted at the airport.
Maybe the deal is complete, maybe it isn't. Maybe there are arrangements to sort with agents, maybe there aren't.
Why assume it is anything to do with haggling over terms or sounding out other clubs? There's absolutely nothing to suggest this transfer is any different to hundreds of others that go through every window.
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Do you really fret about these things?
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Do you really fret about these things?
Another fraught night wrestling the duvet. Idressa hasn't signed yet.
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Even Richards who was effectively a free agent wasn't confirmed until several days after we were first linked. Although he was on holiday at the time.
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Do you really fret about these things?
Another fraught night wrestling the duvet. Idressa hasn't signed yet.
You give that impression!
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It's almost as if the club don't realise there are internet forums where people analyse in depth every movement and non-movement. The French sources and some of the better journalists say it's done - for the sake of my sanity, I'm happy to go along with that.
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Ive never heard of him but welcome.
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Reasons for no announcement
1) Deal cannot be considered complete until work permit granted.
2) We are still in due diligence and need agreement from prospective buyer for any significant financial transaction.
3) He failed the medical and we are giving him an extra week or so to let his blood pressure settle/grow another bollock/other formality
it all seems reasonable to me.
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4) The medical was done on the Friday and the press secretary etc. aren't working on the weekend
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5) he's going V festival, can't hold pen til mid July
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6) He's stuck on Spaghetti Junction.
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7) He forgot to pack his lucky jumper
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Reasons for no announcement
1) Deal cannot be considered complete until work permit granted.
2) We are still in due diligence and need agreement from prospective buyer for any significant financial transaction.
3) He failed the medical and we are giving him an extra week or so to let his blood pressure settle/grow another bollock/other formality
it all seems reasonable to me.
It's gone too far for 2. We have committed money to Lille who are in some financial difficulty. Based on money coming from us they would have been able to pacify creditors. So a financial commitment has been made.
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8) I saw him in the Shakespeare Room at the Library today. He said was going to read the full works before signing.
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He's stuck in Operation Stack
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8) He's having the extra bollock he grew from point 3 removed.
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Were coders being cheeky when that eight numeric and bracket together became a sunshades emoji or was it just a terrible oversight?
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He's read Gregg Evans article in the Mail and has had second thoughts.
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He's read Gregg Evans article in the Mail and has had second thoughts.
Surely that article would only encourage him to sign, knowing that once he's done here he can make the step up to becoming an occaisional goalkeeper for no marks like Hull and the stripeys.
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Were coders being cheeky when that eight numeric and bracket together became a sunshades emoji or was it just a terrible oversight?
I'm not sure but they've done me! Completely forgot.
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Were coders being cheeky when that eight numeric and bracket together became a sunshades emoji or was it just a terrible oversight?
8 )
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Were coders being cheeky when that eight numeric and bracket together became a sunshades emoji or was it just a terrible oversight?
8 )
8) ;)
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Wonder will he get the 5 shirt .
I quite like a midfielder wearing 5. Throw back.
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Wonder will he get the 5 shirt .
I quite like a midfielder wearing 5. Throw back.
To what?
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Wonder will he get the 5 shirt .
I quite like a midfielder wearing 5. Throw back.
Nah, No 5 should be a centre half
Just like No 9 should be centre forward.
I've always disliked this squad number thing.
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It's the knobheads that have numbers like 75 or 96 that annoy me. Don't see in in the PL but in Europe. Maybe it's not allowed in the PL.
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Oh I love the unusual numbers thing. Also I far prefer the Brazilian style naming on the back of shirts.
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I used to like it when some rugby teams used to use letters rather than numbers.
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I like 5 for a big holding midfielder. Zidane was pushing it, but Milan Baros was just taking the piss.
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I like 5 for a big holding midfielder. Zidane was pushing it, but Milan Baros was just taking the piss.
I think Milan just wanted to make his goal tallies look a bit better by having a smaller shirt number.
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Were coders being cheeky when that eight numeric and bracket together became a sunshades emoji or was it just a terrible oversight?
8 )
8) ;)
Witch craft I tells ya.
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Wonder will he get the 5 shirt .
I quite like a midfielder wearing 5. Throw back.
To what?
Brazil I recall always liked a nr 5 in midfield.
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Wonder will he get the 5 shirt .
I quite like a midfielder wearing 5. Throw back.
To what?
Brazil I recall always liked a nr 5 in midfield.
Liverpool when they were good. Ray Kennedy.
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The no 5 for Brazil is a very deep player though. Almost part of a back three when they have the ball so that the full backs can play absurdly far forward
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I used to like it when some rugby teams used to use letters rather than numbers.
Back in the day, my lad - he played for Market Bosworth - and I had season tickets at Leicester Tigers - £80 for me, £50 for him (we went whenever The Villa were away) and we were big fans of the ABC club: Graham Rowntree, Darren Garforth and Richard Cockerill - the Tigers' front row - and my fave - H - Neil Back.
I loved the letters thing.
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On thread.
When he, and others arrive, someone will have 19 won't they?
Or will we always keep it for Stan?
(not 5 - Okore's 5...proper centre half number)
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Oh I love the unusual numbers thing. Also I far prefer the Brazilian style naming on the back of shirts.
I used to like it when Celtic didn't have shirt numbats, just numbers on their shorts IIRC
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Oh I love the unusual numbers thing. Also I far prefer the Brazilian style naming on the back of shirts.
I used to like it when Celtic didn't have shirt numbats, just numbers on their shorts IIRC
Oh that is a nice idea. Must have looked class.
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Wasn't there some player (Uruguayan I think) at Inter who got in a strop when they wouldn't take no.10 off the incumbent and give it to him? I recall they compromised by giving him 19 and taping in a + between the 1 and 9.
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The Chilean Zamorano at Inter. 1+8 I think it was as he wanted the number 9.
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Wasn't there some player (Uruguayan I think) at Inter who got in a strop when they wouldn't take no.10 off the incumbent and give it to him? I recall they compromised by giving him 19 and taping in a + between the 1 and 9.
Footballers can be absolute narcissistic wankers. Pink boots, silly hair and special numbers. You're paid millions of pounds to play football, you can shag pretty much anyone you want but it's not enough is it.
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Wonder will he get the 5 shirt .
I quite like a midfielder wearing 5. Throw back.
To what?
Brazil I recall always liked a nr 5 in midfield.
Liverpool when they were good. Ray Kennedy.
Then Ronnie Whelan. It just never seemed right to me though. Against the law of England and all that.
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Wonder will he get the 5 shirt .
I quite like a midfielder wearing 5. Throw back.
To what?
Brazil I recall always liked a nr 5 in midfield.
Liverpool when they were good. Ray Kennedy.
Then Ronnie Whelan. It just never seemed right to me though. Against the law of England and all that.
Was that not just because Hansen always wore 6.
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Wonder will he get the 5 shirt .
I quite like a midfielder wearing 5. Throw back.
To what?
Michael Essien
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On thread.
When he, and others arrive, someone will have 19 won't they?
Or will we always keep it for Stan?
(not 5 - Okore's 5...proper centre half number)
Darren Bent was 19 last season. I dislike the notion of retiring numbers in football, particularly 1-11 which I think should be sacrosanct.
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Wasn't there some player (Uruguayan I think) at Inter who got in a strop when they wouldn't take no.10 off the incumbent and give it to him? I recall they compromised by giving him 19 and taping in a + between the 1 and 9.
Footballers can be absolute narcissistic wankers. Pink boots, silly hair and special numbers. You're paid millions of pounds to play football, you can shag pretty much anyone you want but it's not enough is it.
If I ever rise to the peak of English (or European or World, why not think big?) football by means of a violent coup, I'll be bringing in new laws regarding stupidly coloured boots.
However, the first thing I'll be cracking down on is the use of anything other than the player's surname on the back of the shirt.
The only case in which this is ok is for Brazilians, where that is the single word name they are always referred to (Zico, Pele) etc, AND said Brazilian is of an extremely high quality (ie not Fred or Jo).
Ideally dispensation to have a nickname rather than a surname on your shirt would be decided by an oversight panel which would accept and decide on applications. The only member of the panel would be me, thinking about it.
I am thinking of the likes of Chica-fucking-rito here. That's not your name. Get it off your shirt, and get your actual name on.
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Most (all?) Brazilians have 2 surnames to identify who they are, so you would have 2 last names on every shirt, if not the nickname. And some of them pretty long.
E.g. Ronaldo would be: Nazário de Lima
Jo would be Assis Silva, which is better :D
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Or even better f##k the whole squad numbers and names thing off.
Match day squad.
1 - 11 on the pitch.
12 - 18 subs.
And preferably take the number of subs on the bench back down to 5 or even 3.
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I always take the piss out of my son for the fact he has loads of pairs of football boots but no proper ones, ie old school black with some white on. That however is a minor irritation compared to nicknames on the back of professional footballers shirts. My lad knows it is one of two things guaranteed to set me off on a rant whilst watching a game. The other being players taking their shirts off to celebrate a goal when they know it will cost them a booking. I would send them off. Two yellows, one for removing the shirt and the other for wearing the coloured boots they are 99.9% certain to be wearing.
Wearing gaudy coloured boots and taking off a shirt that has a nickname on should be a life time ban.
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Wonder will he get the 5 shirt .
I quite like a midfielder wearing 5. Throw back.
To what?
Brazil I recall always liked a nr 5 in midfield.
Liverpool when they were good. Ray Kennedy.
Then Ronnie Whelan. It just never seemed right to me though. Against the law of England and all that.
Was that not just because Hansen always wore 6.
I could have grudgingly accepted a midfielder wearing 4, as a few did. Not 5. Never 5.
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If I ever rise to the peak of English (or European or World, why not think big?) football by means of a violent coup, I'll be bringing in new laws regarding stupidly coloured boots.
However, the first thing I'll be cracking down on is the use of anything other than the player's surname on the back of the shirt.
The only case in which this is ok is for Brazilians, where that is the single word name they are always referred to (Zico, Pele) etc, AND said Brazilian is of an extremely high quality (ie not Fred or Jo).
Ideally dispensation to have a nickname rather than a surname on your shirt would be decided by an oversight panel which would accept and decide on applications. The only member of the panel would be me, thinking about it.
I am thinking of the likes of Chica-fucking-rito here. That's not your name. Get it off your shirt, and get your actual name on.
Brazilians have got an excuse in that they often follow the Portuguese convention of having 4 surnames, and that on the whole they rock at football, so can call themselves what they like, but everybody else I fully agree with you. Jordi fucking Cruyff with his first name on his shirt. I know why he did it but he was still a ponce. And Hernandez at Man U has no excuse. Little Pea indeed, the massive bumder. I'm sure most parents have pet names for their kids when they're growing up, but wouldn't expect to see "Daddy's little prince" on the back of a shirt should their son succeed as a professional footballer.
Up against the wall come the Walnuts revolution:
Chicarito
"Ravel" Morrison
Jordi Cruyff
Kun[t] Aguero
All of the above will be shot, but the following person will be given an ambassadorial role for always having his full name printed when a shortened version would actually have been excusable:
Vennegoor of Hesselink
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On the subject of shirt numbering and Liverpool. IIRC, I'm sure Tommy Smith wore the number five on his shirt as far back as 1964. For younger posters, Tommy Smith was a defensive midfielder, sadly now crippled with Arthritis due allegedly from too many pain-killing injections. Older posters please advise.
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I reckon Vennegoor of Hesselink was on a percentage of the club shop printing profits.
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On the subject of shirt numbering and Liverpool. IIRC, I'm sure Tommy Smith wore the number five on his shirt as far back as 1964. For younger posters, Tommy Smith was a defensive midfielder, sadly now crippled with Arthritis due allegedly from too many pain-killing injections. Older posters please advise.
Tommy Smith was claiming incapacity benefit for his injuries but he was spotted taking part in a charity penalty shootout in the 1996 Cup Final and had his benefit taken away.
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If I ever pull off a violent coup then there will be no numbers or names at all. On the back of shirts will just be multiple images of my head super imposed onto other famous images or landmarks. The referees will be required to learn everyone's names off the top of their heads. Any signs of hesitation from them will be punished. All referees shorts will be laced with 'Xtreme Catnip 5000' and on hesitation a tiger will be released. 20 referees a game will be required to attend all matches. Phil Dowd may not make it through the warm up though.
Also all tigers will be called 'Jon'. Don't ask. If you do I'll send Jon.
As it's slighyly off thread if Gueye signs he can have his name on his shirt for one game of his choice but it will have to be spelt phonetically. He can also choose which image of me he has as well.
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According to Sky Tim Sherwood says there is a problem with Gueye's work permit but it should be Ok.
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If I ever rise to the peak of English (or European or World, why not think big?) football by means of a violent coup, I'll be bringing in new laws regarding stupidly coloured boots.
However, the first thing I'll be cracking down on is the use of anything other than the player's surname on the back of the shirt.
The only case in which this is ok is for Brazilians, where that is the single word name they are always referred to (Zico, Pele) etc, AND said Brazilian is of an extremely high quality (ie not Fred or Jo).
Ideally dispensation to have a nickname rather than a surname on your shirt would be decided by an oversight panel which would accept and decide on applications. The only member of the panel would be me, thinking about it.
I am thinking of the likes of Chica-fucking-rito here. That's not your name. Get it off your shirt, and get your actual name on.
Brazilians have got an excuse in that they often follow the Portuguese convention of having 4 surnames, and that on the whole they rock at football, so can call themselves what they like, but everybody else I fully agree with you. Jordi fucking Cruyff with his first name on his shirt. I know why he did it but he was still a ponce. And Hernandez at Man U has no excuse. Little Pea indeed, the massive bumder. I'm sure most parents have pet names for their kids when they're growing up, but wouldn't expect to see "Daddy's little prince" on the back of a shirt should their son succeed as a professional footballer.
Up against the wall come the Walnuts revolution:
Chicarito
"Ravel" Morrison
Jordi Cruyff
Kun[t] Aguero
All of the above will be shot, but the following person will be given an ambassadorial role for always having his full name printed when a shortened version would actually have been excusable:
Vennegoor of Hesselink
although on a similar topic going from names to attire, while I 'm delighted the whole snood thing died quickly, I still feel Savo would have been a fucking all time Villa legend had he been allowed to play wearing his bandana.
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Careful what you start.
Silhil would have him in a snood and a bandanna.
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If I ever pull off a violent coup then there will be no numbers or names at all. On the back of shirts will just be multiple images of my head super imposed onto other famous images or landmarks. The referees will be required to learn everyone's names off the top of their heads. Any signs of hesitation from them will be punished. All referees shorts will be laced with 'Xtreme Catnip 5000' and on hesitation a tiger will be released. 20 referees a game will be required to attend all matches. Phil Dowd may not make it through the warm up though.
Also all tigers will be called 'Jon'. Don't ask. If you do I'll send Jon.
As it's slighyly off thread if Gueye signs he can have his name on his shirt for one game of his choice but it will have to be spelt phonetically. He can also choose which image of me he has as well.
The flaw in your plan is that once the Tigers have munched their way through Dowd, they'll all be full, fat and bloated and too tired to chase the remaining refs when they cock up. It'll be anarchy and you'll have the RSPCA on to you for keeping Obese tigers.
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Or even better f##k the whole squad numbers and names thing off.
Match day squad.
1 - 11 on the pitch.
12 - 18 subs.
And preferably take the number of subs on the bench back down to 5 or even 3.
This.
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If I ever rise to the peak of English (or European or World, why not think big?) football by means of a violent coup, I'll be bringing in new laws regarding stupidly coloured boots.
There's hope, a lad turned up in his new boots towards the end of last season at my son's Under 12's and his black boots caused quite a stir.
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Wasn't there some player (Uruguayan I think) at Inter who got in a strop when they wouldn't take no.10 off the incumbent and give it to him? I recall they compromised by giving him 19 and taping in a + between the 1 and 9.
Footballers can be absolute narcissistic wankers. Pink boots, silly hair and special numbers. You're paid millions of pounds to play football, you can shag pretty much anyone you want but it's not enough is it.
If I ever rise to the peak of English (or European or World, why not think big?) football by means of a violent coup, I'll be bringing in new laws regarding stupidly coloured boots.
However, the first thing I'll be cracking down on is the use of anything other than the player's surname on the back of the shirt.
The only case in which this is ok is for Brazilians, where that is the single word name they are always referred to (Zico, Pele) etc, AND said Brazilian is of an extremely high quality (ie not Fred or Jo).
Ideally dispensation to have a nickname rather than a surname on your shirt would be decided by an oversight panel which would accept and decide on applications. The only member of the panel would be me, thinking about it.
I am thinking of the likes of Chica-fucking-rito here. That's not your name. Get it off your shirt, and get your actual name on.
Short sleeved goalkeeper shirts have to go too. In fact, I'd reintroduce them having to wear the same shorts and socks as the rest of the side.
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If I ever rise to the peak of English (or European or World, why not think big?) football by means of a violent coup, I'll be bringing in new laws regarding stupidly coloured boots.
There's hope, a lad turned up in his new boots towards the end of last season at my son's Under 12's and his black boots caused quite a stir.
I'm no fan of the current fad for fluorescent boots but N'Zogbia wore black boots a couple of times last season. It looked like he was running round in his school shoes.
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If I ever rise to the peak of English (or European or World, why not think big?) football by means of a violent coup, I'll be bringing in new laws regarding stupidly coloured boots.
There's hope, a lad turned up in his new boots towards the end of last season at my son's Under 12's and his black boots caused quite a stir.
I'm no fan of the current fad for fluorescent boots but N'Zogbia wore black boots a couple of times last season. It looked like he was running round in his school shoes.
N'Zogbia...? Running....?
Nah.
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Wasn't there some player (Uruguayan I think) at Inter who got in a strop when they wouldn't take no.10 off the incumbent and give it to him? I recall they compromised by giving him 19 and taping in a + between the 1 and 9.
Footballers can be absolute narcissistic wankers. Pink boots, silly hair and special numbers. You're paid millions of pounds to play football, you can shag pretty much anyone you want but it's not enough is it.
If I ever rise to the peak of English (or European or World, why not think big?) football by means of a violent coup, I'll be bringing in new laws regarding stupidly coloured boots.
However, the first thing I'll be cracking down on is the use of anything other than the player's surname on the back of the shirt.
The only case in which this is ok is for Brazilians, where that is the single word name they are always referred to (Zico, Pele) etc, AND said Brazilian is of an extremely high quality (ie not Fred or Jo).
Ideally dispensation to have a nickname rather than a surname on your shirt would be decided by an oversight panel which would accept and decide on applications. The only member of the panel would be me, thinking about it.
I am thinking of the likes of Chica-fucking-rito here. That's not your name. Get it off your shirt, and get your actual name on.
Short sleeved goalkeeper shirts have to go too. In fact, I'd reintroduce them having to wear the same shorts and socks as the rest of the side.
God, yes, there's something just not .... right about goalkeepers in short sleeves. Not to mention shirts that are not green.
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I don't mind coloured boots so long as they put at least the tiniest amount of effort into getting the boots and socks to look respectable together. Some of them look like they get changed in the dark (with just the glow of the rest of the teams boots to go by).
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Or even better f##k the whole squad numbers and names thing off.
Match day squad.
1 - 11 on the pitch.
12 - 18 subs.
And preferably take the number of subs on the bench back down to 5 or even 3.
This.
I agree also, and would suggest 5 subs max. Bring back terracing, clubs having different types of goals/nets, 90% of league games at 3 on a Saturday, reduce wages and ticket prices by 75% and it might actually be good again. Oh and reduce the number of foreign players so the ones that come in are an interesting exception (and of high quality) rather than most of the team being made up of them.
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Didn't Belgian amuso-named 1980s keeper Jean-Marie Pfaff used to wear short sleeves sometimes? Think he was an early contributor to what is a very poor state of affairs.
EDIT also that arse of a Donald Pleasance lookalike Fabien Barthez did a lot to encourage that nonsense, too.
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I don't mind coloured boots so long as they put at least the tiniest amount of effort into getting the boots and socks to look respectable together. Some of them look like they get changed in the dark (with just the glow of the rest of the teams boots to go by).
Also, that thing of wearing non-matching boots, ie different colours..... That's really bad. A step too far.
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According to Sky Tim Sherwood says there is a problem with Gueye's work permit but it should be Ok.
Bugger
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If I ever rise to the peak of English (or European or World, why not think big?) football by means of a violent coup, I'll be bringing in new laws regarding stupidly coloured boots.
There's hope, a lad turned up in his new boots towards the end of last season at my son's Under 12's and his black boots caused quite a stir.
I'm no fan of the current fad for fluorescent boots but N'Zogbia wore black boots a couple of times last season. It looked like he was running round in his school shoes.
I fear that had nothing to do with the colour of his boots.
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Yes, and only black or black and white boots allowed.
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If I ever rise to the peak of English (or European or World, why not think big?) football by means of a violent coup, I'll be bringing in new laws regarding stupidly coloured boots.
There's hope, a lad turned up in his new boots towards the end of last season at my son's Under 12's and his black boots caused quite a stir.
I'm no fan of the current fad for fluorescent boots but N'Zogbia wore black boots a couple of times last season. It looked like he was running round in his school shoes.
I fear that had nothing to do with the colour of his boots.
He might have looked a twat in coloured boots, but judging by the way he plays, you'd think he was in clogs, or orthopaedic shoes.
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If I ever rise to the peak of English (or European or World, why not think big?) football by means of a violent coup, I'll be bringing in new laws regarding stupidly coloured boots.
There's hope, a lad turned up in his new boots towards the end of last season at my son's Under 12's and his black boots caused quite a stir.
I'm no fan of the current fad for fluorescent boots but N'Zogbia wore black boots a couple of times last season. It looked like he was running round in his school shoes.
I fear that had nothing to do with the colour of his boots.
Quite. You would have thought the silly bastard was wearing wellingtons at times.
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Now there's someone who should be made to wear stupidly coloured boots, preferably the same pattern as that suit he's wearing in Given's photo.
He'd breeze past defenders as they'd either go blind from looking at them, or be rolling on the floor pissing themselves laughing.
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It has occurred to me that Ron Vlaar's many injury problems could be a direct result of having to play in clogs for the Dutch national team.
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Whatever colour they are I think Nzog suffers from the teflon coating we seem to put on players boots, Weimann and Gabby had real issues with that as well.
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Didn't Belgian amuso-named 1980s keeper Jean-Marie Pfaff used to wear short sleeves sometimes? Think he was an early contributor to what is a very poor state of affairs.
EDIT also that arse of a Donald Pleasance lookalike Fabien Barthez did a lot to encourage that nonsense, too.
A very long time ago I was told the fascinating fact that a goalkeeper rolling up his sleeves was a bookable offence in the days before gloves being commonplace as if a sleeve wasn't visible, the referee might have no way of knowing whose hand had made contact with the ball in a crowd. Presumably this has since been rescinded.
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On the subject of shirt numbering and Liverpool. IIRC, I'm sure Tommy Smith wore the number five on his shirt as far back as 1964. For younger posters, Tommy Smith was a defensive midfielder, sadly now crippled with Arthritis due allegedly from too many pain-killing injections. Older posters please advise.
Tommy Smith was claiming incapacity benefit for his injuries but he was spotted taking part in a charity penalty shootout in the 1996 Cup Final and had his benefit taken away.
Didnt he get into trouble for flicking the v's at travelling Man Utd fans who were singing 'get to work you lazy twat' at him when he was doing an on pitch presentation at Anfield.
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Didn't Belgian amuso-named 1980s keeper Jean-Marie Pfaff used to wear short sleeves sometimes? Think he was an early contributor to what is a very poor state of affairs.
And Jorg Campos, the Mexican keeper in the early 90s, who used to design his own horrendous shirts, mostly short sleeved
Doesn't Ibrahimovic wear all black boots ( even the Nike logo is blacked out)? I'd sign him up for that alone
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One of the lads I go to matches with is driven into an rage by the sight of any player wearing gloves.
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Didn't Belgian amuso-named 1980s keeper Jean-Marie Pfaff used to wear short sleeves sometimes? Think he was an early contributor to what is a very poor state of affairs.
And Jorg Campos, the Mexican keeper in the early 90s, who used to design his own horrendous shirts, mostly short sleeved
Doesn't Ibrahimovic wear all black boots ( even the Nike logo is blacked out)? I'd sign him up for that alone
On the other hand, he does have a rather horrendous pony tail.
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The first non Brazilian use of a nickname I can remember was a Norwegian at World Cup '94, who delighted in the pseudonym 'Mini' when his name was John something. I thought he was a cock then, and he didn't have the kind of career which would make me change my mind.
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Apologies for going back on-topic, and if its already been said, but in his interview for Sky when he collected his £100, Sherwood suggested we were waiting for a work permit before confirming the signing.
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To play the devil's advocate, don't the players just get paid to wear boots by Nike, Adidas or whoever? I'm sure most here would wear ugly shoes to work if someone paid us vast sums to do it.
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Lets hope these work permit issues get sorted quickly.
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One of the lads I go to matches with is driven into an rage by the sight of any player wearing gloves.
Even a keeper?
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Lets hope these work permit issues get sorted quickly.
As per the Tim gets his £100 thread I really don't think there are any issues, if you watch it it's a complete throw-away line, there's no tone or body language, etc to suggest that it's anything other than a formality, I suspect it will all be sorted by the end of the week.
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Oh I love the unusual numbers thing. Also I far prefer the Brazilian style naming on the back of shirts.
I used to like it when Celtic didn't have shirt numbats, just numbers on their shorts IIRC
Oh that is a nice idea. Must have looked class.
IIRC because the number on their shorts was the only identifier those numbers were much larger than usual shorts numbers.
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I am thinking of the likes of Chica-fucking-rito here. That's not your name. Get it off your shirt, and get your actual name on.
Or as this Mensa candidate in a pub in Cheltenham has it:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B2kotVRIEAAxjjM.jpg)
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DER BOMBER is perhaps the only nickname in football history that it might have been acceptable to have printed on a shirt. Or maybe PONGO.
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Didn't Belgian amuso-named 1980s keeper Jean-Marie Pfaff used to wear short sleeves sometimes? Think he was an early contributor to what is a very poor state of affairs.
EDIT also that arse of a Donald Pleasance lookalike Fabien Barthez did a lot to encourage that nonsense, too.
A very long time ago I was told the fascinating fact that a goalkeeper rolling up his sleeves was a bookable offence in the days before gloves being commonplace as if a sleeve wasn't visible, the referee might have no way of knowing whose hand had made contact with the ball in a crowd. Presumably this has since been rescinded.
Unsure if it's rescinded, but if a keeper has short sleeves he has to wear gloves.
I can't remember the last time I saw a keeper without gloves, though.
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DER BOMBER is perhaps the only nickname in football history that it might have been acceptable to have printed on a shirt. Or maybe PONGO.
and of course....GOD :)
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I am thinking of the likes of Chica-fucking-rito here. That's not your name. Get it off your shirt, and get your actual name on.
Or as this Mensa candidate in a pub in Cheltenham has it:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B2kotVRIEAAxjjM.jpg)
That is flippin ace! I love it.
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Didn't Belgian amuso-named 1980s keeper Jean-Marie Pfaff used to wear short sleeves sometimes? Think he was an early contributor to what is a very poor state of affairs.
EDIT also that arse of a Donald Pleasance lookalike Fabien Barthez did a lot to encourage that nonsense, too.
A very long time ago I was told the fascinating fact that a goalkeeper rolling up his sleeves was a bookable offence in the days before gloves being commonplace as if a sleeve wasn't visible, the referee might have no way of knowing whose hand had made contact with the ball in a crowd. Presumably this has since been rescinded.
I think short sleeves or rolled up sleeves started to be allowed around the early nineties. Prior to that it was a favourite trivia question of mine that someone had told me. What can every player do except the goalkeeper. The answer being wear short sleeves due to the ref wanting to identify an arm going up n the area and who it belonged to.
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The first non Brazilian use of a nickname I can remember was a Norwegian at World Cup '94, who delighted in the pseudonym 'Mini' when his name was John something. I thought he was a cock then, and he didn't have the kind of career which would make me change my mind.
Jahn Ivar Jakobsen - according to the font of all knowledge that is Wikipedia he changed the spelling of his first name as a teenager, adding the 'h', to feel more like a Norwegian singer.
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If I ever rise to the peak of English (or European or World, why not think big?) football by means of a violent coup, I'll be bringing in new laws regarding stupidly coloured boots.
However, the first thing I'll be cracking down on is the use of anything other than the player's surname on the back of the shirt.
The only case in which this is ok is for Brazilians, where that is the single word name they are always referred to (Zico, Pele) etc, AND said Brazilian is of an extremely high quality (ie not Fred or Jo).
Ideally dispensation to have a nickname rather than a surname on your shirt would be decided by an oversight panel which would accept and decide on applications. The only member of the panel would be me, thinking about it.
I am thinking of the likes of Chica-fucking-rito here. That's not your name. Get it off your shirt, and get your actual name on.
Brazilians have got an excuse in that they often follow the Portuguese convention of having 4 surnames, and that on the whole they rock at football, so can call themselves what they like, but everybody else I fully agree with you. Jordi fucking Cruyff with his first name on his shirt. I know why he did it but he was still a ponce. And Hernandez at Man U has no excuse. Little Pea indeed, the massive bumder. I'm sure most parents have pet names for their kids when they're growing up, but wouldn't expect to see "Daddy's little prince" on the back of a shirt should their son succeed as a professional footballer.
Up against the wall come the Walnuts revolution:
Chicarito
"Ravel" Morrison
Jordi Cruyff
Kun[t] Aguero
All of the above will be shot, but the following person will be given an ambassadorial role for always having his full name printed when a shortened version would actually have been excusable:
Vennegoor of Hesselink
So, come on, are you getting Idrisso on your shirt?
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If I ever rise to the peak of English (or European or World, why not think big?) football by means of a violent coup, I'll be bringing in new laws regarding stupidly coloured boots.
However, the first thing I'll be cracking down on is the use of anything other than the player's surname on the back of the shirt.
The only case in which this is ok is for Brazilians, where that is the single word name they are always referred to (Zico, Pele) etc, AND said Brazilian is of an extremely high quality (ie not Fred or Jo).
Ideally dispensation to have a nickname rather than a surname on your shirt would be decided by an oversight panel which would accept and decide on applications. The only member of the panel would be me, thinking about it.
I am thinking of the likes of Chica-fucking-rito here. That's not your name. Get it off your shirt, and get your actual name on.
Brazilians have got an excuse in that they often follow the Portuguese convention of having 4 surnames, and that on the whole they rock at football, so can call themselves what they like, but everybody else I fully agree with you. Jordi fucking Cruyff with his first name on his shirt. I know why he did it but he was still a ponce. And Hernandez at Man U has no excuse. Little Pea indeed, the massive bumder. I'm sure most parents have pet names for their kids when they're growing up, but wouldn't expect to see "Daddy's little prince" on the back of a shirt should their son succeed as a professional footballer.
Up against the wall come the Walnuts revolution:
Chicarito
"Ravel" Morrison
Jordi Cruyff
Kun[t] Aguero
All of the above will be shot, but the following person will be given an ambassadorial role for always having his full name printed when a shortened version would actually have been excusable:
Vennegoor of Hesselink
So, come on, are you getting Idrisso on your shirt?
Idrisso? - who he?
I'm considering getting Idrissa on mine, though.
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The "risso" bit may be a clue!
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If I ever pull off a violent coup then there will be no numbers or names at all. On the back of shirts will just be multiple images of my head super imposed onto other famous images or landmarks. The referees will be required to learn everyone's names off the top of their heads. Any signs of hesitation from them will be punished. All referees shorts will be laced with 'Xtreme Catnip 5000' and on hesitation a tiger will be released. 20 referees a game will be required to attend all matches. Phil Dowd may not make it through the warm up though.
Also all tigers will be called 'Jon'. Don't ask. If you do I'll send Jon.
As it's slighyly off thread if Gueye signs he can have his name on his shirt for one game of his choice but it will have to be spelt phonetically. He can also choose which image of me he has as well.
The flaw in your plan is that once the Tigers have munched their way through Dowd, they'll all be full, fat and bloated and too tired to chase the remaining refs when they cock up. It'll be anarchy and you'll have the RSPCA on to you for keeping Obese tigers.
Shit. That fat prick ruins everything.
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The "risso" bit may be a clue!
Doh - it's a fair cop.
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DER BOMBER is perhaps the only nickname in football history that it might have been acceptable to have printed on a shirt. Or maybe PONGO.
and of course....GOD :)
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Sid.
Sir Brian.
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so back to the actual topic, no news then.
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Sherwood said it's pretty much a done deal, we're just waiting on a work permit.
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I am now fully confident we have our player. He wants to play in the Premier League and we have put up the required fee so that's it. Lets hope we get the others Tim Sherwood is after. I fully expect Benteke to go but I think we have a chance of keeping Delph.
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If both release clause stories are true, I reckon we have more chance of keeping Benteke than Delph. If I was a Man City manager, I'd sign Delph just in case, £8-£10 million is loose change and it'll be worth it to them even if he only plays half their games.
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ho hum, how long does it take to produce a piece of paper, sign, and post/fax/email it?
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I have visions of the work permit request being jammed in the fax machine and no one realising.
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I have no idea how these things work - is it literally a case of faxing something through or is has there got to be some sort of tribunal process?
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I have no idea how these things work - is it literally a case of faxing something through or is has there got to be some sort of tribunal process?
it's the same as anyone of any profession moving to the UK without an EU passport, it's a government work permit, there requirements are pretty much all available online to view - https://www.gov.uk/tier-2-sportsperson-worker-visa
Right on that page there's a 'within 3 weeks' line. Obviously they try to push them through quicker and a week is more common but there's really no need to worry.
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They are always slower in the middle of the summer window, yet manage to get bungled through in an afternoon on deadline day!
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They are always slower in the middle of the summer window, yet manage to get bungled through in an afternoon on deadline day!
'Bung' being the operative word.
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I've just read he is changing agents. Could be the reason for delay.
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someone has just text me that Idrissa's work permit has be granted :)
not sure how true this is, but she is usually hot on all things Villa ;)
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He changed his agent, which is why he came to us.
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Taxi for Delph then
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Taxi for Delph then
Huh? - this is more likely a replacement for TC23.
The level of negativity on H&V sometimes is breathtaking.
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Taxi for Delph then
Huh? - this is more likely a replacement for TC23.
In as much as any player could actually replace the legend that is TClevz
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His facebook page (which may or may not be genuine) is saying the work permit has been granted.
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ho hum, how long does it take to produce a piece of paper, sign, and post/fax/email it?
They ran out of pigeons at the DWP.
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ho hum, how long does it take to produce a piece of paper, sign, and post/fax/email it?
They ran out of pigeons at the DWP.
His facebook page (which may or may not be genuine) is saying the work permit has been granted.
That facebook page was created on July 2nd and links to a website that was created using Wix.com. Which leads me to believe they are both fake. I could very well be wrong.
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ho hum, how long does it take to produce a piece of paper, sign, and post/fax/email it?
They ran out of pigeons at the DWP.
His facebook page (which may or may not be genuine) is saying the work permit has been granted.
That facebook page was created on July 2nd and links to a website that was created using Wix.com. Which leads me to believe they are both fake. I could very well be wrong.
Morse is in the house.
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ho hum, how long does it take to produce a piece of paper, sign, and post/fax/email it?
They ran out of pigeons at the DWP.
His facebook page (which may or may not be genuine) is saying the work permit has been granted.
That facebook page was created on July 2nd and links to a website that was created using Wix.com. Which leads me to believe they are both fake. I could very well be wrong.
I wouldn't have thought that you are.
On 2nd July he set up a 'new official page', which I assume the above comes from. Even though there isn't a single reason for him to set up a new official page.
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Taxi for Delph then
Huh? - this is more likely a replacement for TC23.
The level of negativity on H&V sometimes is breathtaking.
In as much as any player could actually replace the legend that is TClevz
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My guess is that Aston Villa have an obligation to buy the player however the payment i.e. who pays will be determined by who owns the club at the end of the non-disclosure agreement. Checking the health of the club would be hard enough without spending millions on players at the same time.
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ho hum, how long does it take to produce a piece of paper, sign, and post/fax/email it?
They ran out of pigeons at the DWP.
His facebook page (which may or may not be genuine) is saying the work permit has been granted.
That facebook page was created on July 2nd and links to a website that was created using Wix.com. Which leads me to believe they are both fake. I could very well be wrong.
Eastie ? Is that you ?
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If it was Eastie he'd be telling you what colour pants Idrissa's girlfriend Chantelle was wearing when she was creating said FB page.
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Surely the club will be paying, regardless of who owns it. I would imagine a particular budget was agreed independent of ownership which may or may not be adjusted depending on outcome.
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My guess is that Aston Villa have an obligation to buy the player however the payment i.e. who pays will be determined by who owns the club at the end of the non-disclosure agreement. Checking the health of the club would be hard enough without spending millions on players at the same time.
Let's hope we're not waiting for the Benteke cash before we can sign players. Cynical, I know.
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My guess is that Aston Villa have an obligation to buy the player however the payment i.e. who pays will be determined by who owns the club at the end of the non-disclosure agreement. Checking the health of the club would be hard enough without spending millions on players at the same time.
Let's hope we're not waiting for the Benteke cash before we can sign players. Cynical, I know.
You have two wait a couple of weeks for a work permit. Any veteran of Chapionship Manager knows this.
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It takes three to four weeks for a work permit to be approved by the Home Office.
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It takes three to four weeks for a work permit to be approved by the Home Office.
Surely there must be a fast-track service? Like the next day passport service? I can't see the government missing out on a trick like that (with this amount of money involved?)
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It takes three to four weeks for a work permit to be approved by the Home Office.
Surely there must be a fast-track service? Like the next day passport service? I can't see the government missing out on a trick like that (with this amount of money involved?)
Of course there is, it's why they get some through in a coupleof days towards the end of the window it's up to 3 weeks unless an appeal is required though.
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If it was Eastie he'd be telling you what colour pants Idrissa's girlfriend Chantelle was wearing when she was creating said FB page.
purple.
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It seems to be dragging on and on and on doesn't it.
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My only comment right now is that we need someone who can add more goals from midfield and if he can do that they we will be moving in the right direction in that area anyway. After that we just need Delph to be chipping in with more (should he stay) and to add a bit more creativity to support the front players and we might just have half a decent side.
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It seems to be dragging on and on and on doesn't it.
Indeed it is. Hopefully it will be sorted soon. There is always the worry that something will cock it all up.
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Apart from normal bureaucratic measures, the player's lack of international appearances, I fail to see what's not black and white about this?
Then again it is just that - bureaucratic.
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Agent quoted in French press saying it is done and the with permit is now granted and will be through shortly.
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Agent quoted in French press saying it is done and the with permit is now granted and will be through shortly.
wonderful news
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He was quoted as saying;
'Bonjour mes enfants, je confirmez est cliente Idrissa now plays for Aston Villa.'
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"Buono estente! El giocator Edreeeeeeeeeeeeeeesssa Gay firmados para il Aston Villa en inghilterra!
Chreeeeeeeeees Waddle!
Meteos mit Paula!"
Is how I saw it reported.
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I used to love Julio Geordio, even though the rest was largely average.
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Amazing timing.
Gueye work permit sorted, Delph offski.
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Just what I thought. Which almost means they haven't set about replacing Cleverley. Whilst ever we have no more ambition left though we are going to lose our players. Benteke to Liverpool. He isn't joining a big club anymore. He is joining a club in the Europa League. He could have had that with us with a bit more ambition.
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By the way. I think Idrissa's song should be sung to the tune of Enola Gay by OMD. Just need someone cleverer than me to put words to the tune.
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By the way. I think Idrissa's song should be sung to the tune of Enola Gay by OMD. Just need someone cleverer than me to put words to the tune.
I've thought that ever since his name was mentioned!
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I've had the Manic's La Tristesse Durera in my head since I first saw his name. Mind you, I didn't know how his surname was pronounced back then.
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Now let's make sure we replace Benteke as smoothly.
And it would be nice if we spent some extra money as well.
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I imagine we'll see him on the OS pretty soon.
I bet they're looking for a contract Photoshop person to replace Delph with him in those photos.
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Well the money coming in will need to out to good use immediately. Get in Amavi and two or three others and we'll be ok. Remember even with Delph we finished 17th so we can surely only do better. Kick in the balls though it is.
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That depends entirely on how we replace him. The fact we finished seventeenth WITH Delph doesn't tell me we can only do better, it tells me we're going to have to get someone in at least as good as Delph just to stand still.
I have no faith in them. Not anymore, anyway. Every time I start to think maybe we're not run by idiots, something like this Delph charade happens.
It's like watching an alcoholic falling off the wagon over and over.
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Although, fuck it, this is about Gueye not Delph, i guess.
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I used to love Julio Geordio, even though the rest was largely average.
*shakes head*
Marvellous stuff!
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By the way. I think Idrissa's song should be sung to the tune of Enola Gay by OMD. Just need someone cleverer than me to put words to the tune.
I've thought that ever since his name was mentioned!
Idrissa Gueye
You got your work permit yesterday
Can't have you and Delph although we tried
There was a release clause there to hide
I hope you really know how to play
Now Fabian Delph has gone away
Ah-ha Idrissa Gueye
We've only got half a squad today
Idrissa Gueye
See you in Portugal on Monday
Big day for you mate, anyway
Last chance to meet Christian Bentekay
Idrissa Gueye
It shouldn't ever have to end this way
Ah-ha Idrissa Gueye
Release clause 3 million shall we say?
We finished seventeenth
Feels like thats how its always been
Listen to Franksy on the radio
He'll tell you all that you need to know
Idrissa Gueye
We're all cynics so lets just say
Despite every badge kiss you give
One day you too will go away
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By the way. I think Idrissa's song should be sung to the tune of Enola Gay by OMD. Just need someone cleverer than me to put words to the tune.
I've thought that ever since his name was mentioned!
Idrissa Gueye
You got your work permit yesterday
Can't have you and Delph although we tried
There was a release clause there to hide
I hope you really know how to play
Now Fabian Delph has gone away
Ah-ha Idrissa Gueye
We've only got half a squad today
Idrissa Gueye
See you in Portugal on Monday
Big day for you mate, anyway
Last chance to meet Christian Bentekay
Idrissa Gueye
It shouldn't ever have to end this way
Ah-ha Idrissa Gueye
Release clause 3 million shall we say?
We finished seventeenth
Feels like thats how its always been
Listen to Franksy on the radio
He'll tell you all that you need to know
Idrissa Gueye
We're all cynics so lets just say
Despite every badge kiss you give
One day you too will go away
Outstanding!
Now let's have a version based on Macca's "Yesterday".
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Signed
http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~4855398,00.html
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Perfect timing.
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Excellent news. Just logged in and this is the first thread I've read. So good to see good news! I reckon he'll be awesome alongside Delph in midfield!
Oh well, think I'll go and have a look in Delph thread….
(http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Shocked-Troy-Walks-Into-Fire-With-Pizza-Community.gif)
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Sing if you're glad to sign Gueye
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Isn't it about time we had a shummamite statement again? I do miss those.
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Welcome to Villa Idrissa. Now we need to find you a fantastic midfield partner.
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By the way. I think Idrissa's song should be sung to the tune of Enola Gay by OMD. Just need someone cleverer than me to put words to the tune.
I've thought that ever since his name was mentioned!
Idrissa Gueye
You got your work permit yesterday
Can't have you and Delph although we tried
There was a release clause there to hide
I hope you really know how to play
Now Fabian Delph has gone away
Ah-ha Idrissa Gueye
We've only got half a squad today
Idrissa Gueye
See you in Portugal on Monday
Big day for you mate, anyway
Last chance to meet Christian Bentekay
Idrissa Gueye
It shouldn't ever have to end this way
Ah-ha Idrissa Gueye
Release clause 3 million shall we say?
We finished seventeenth
Feels like thats how its always been
Listen to Franksy on the radio
He'll tell you all that you need to know
Idrissa Gueye
We're all cynics so lets just say
Despite every badge kiss you give
One day you too will go away
Applause especially especially the last verse.
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We'll have a strong looking midfield next season with Gueye alongside Delph...ooooh wait. *doh*
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Nice timing, Villa.
Welcome, Gueye.
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OS official then..
He better light the world on fire because we can't afford anymore mediocrity.
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I hate to be cynical, but this has only been put on the website today as Delph off tomorrow.
We already knew Gueye was a done deal apart from his visa issue, Praet next please.
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You've got to laugh.
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Good luck buddy. I really hope you hit the ground running.
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Welcome to Villa Idrissa. Now we need to find you a fantastic midfield partner.
On the cheap
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Welcome to Villa Idrissa. Now we need to find you a fantastic midfield partner.
Whats Brett Holman doing these days?
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Welcome Idrissa good luck.
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Welcome to Villa Park Idrissa.
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Welcome Idrissa. Best of luck at The Home of World Football.
Will there be Idrissa hats in the club shop?
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Welcome Idrissa.
Anybody know what his release clause us?
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Here's hoping you shit all over backstabber Delph when we face city.
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A nice comparison
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CJk0BUIWwAAjYM6.jpg:large
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Isn't it about time we had a shummamite statement again? I do miss those.
I miss the General. I was amongst the sceptics when he predicted that we could finish fourth but who can argue with last season's league position? The man is a comedic genius.
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Could a kind soul repost the picture of him in the hat?
I fucking loved that hat.
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He was quoted as saying;
'Bonjour mes enfants, je confirmez est cliente Idrissa now plays for Aston Villa.'
That's for the Board. What about the press statement
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Welcome, poor fucker has picked the wrong day to sign?
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Could a kind soul repost the picture of him in the hat?
I fucking loved that hat.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CI60D7rUsAAULAG.jpg)
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Welcome Idrissa.
Anybody know what his release clause us?
Well how this board seem to perform probably about £4m.
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Welcome Idrissa.
Anybody know what his release clause us?
Well how this board seem to perform probably about £4m.
More likely to be Zimbabwean $4 million
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Wilkomen
To the tune of "oh Andy andy"
Oh Iddy Iddy
Iddy Iddy Iddy Iddy
Iddy Gueye
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Iddy I ay Iddy IGueye Holt enders in the sky !!!
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One Idrissa Gueye
There's only one Idrissa Gueye
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Villa try to appease, by signing a Senegalese.
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Could a kind soul repost the picture of him in the hat?
I fucking loved that hat.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CI60D7rUsAAULAG.jpg)
Cheers Exigo.
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Those trilbys should go on sale in club shop.
Rude boys , trinity lower .
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Feel a bit sorry in a way that the Home Office have finally got their arses in gear today, meaning that despite being a big money signing, it's a struggle to get too excited about him because everyone is a bit disappointed that Delph has gone.
I just hope he's given a chance and not written off after about two games if he doesn't settle immediately.
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Feel a bit sorry in a way that the Home Office have finally got their arses in gear today, meaning that despite being a big money signing, it's a struggle to get too excited about him because everyone is a bit disappointed that Delph has gone.
I just hope he's given a chance and not written off after about two games if he doesn't settle immediately.
Written off in favor of who though? Sanchez or Gardner! ha.
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I like Sanchez. Not convinced Gardner is going to make it, but you never know. He got good reviews at Forest last year.
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I'm hoping Sanchez gets some consistency this season he's a.good player just hope he does it for us.
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I like Sanchez. Not convinced Gardner is going to make it, but you never know. He got good reviews at Forest last year.
I saw gardner play a couple of times on the telly last season. Great dead balls. Slow during play, I mean REALLY slow, like Richard Dunne slow.
So yeah, I am not convinced either.
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That's definitely the worry with Gardner. He did look almost absurdly slow. I was hoping that was recovery from injury and he'd have picked up. It's presumably why he was playing deep.
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Gardner looks slow but more worrying when I see him is he looks slow footed. I think under pressure he may struggle to get out of tight situations. That said you could say the same of Huddle20stone I suppose,so there's hope for Gardner. It all depends on how well he uses the ball.
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Taken on its own merits, this is a fantastic signing and I'm really excited about what Gueye will bring to the team. Energy, attitude, resilience, drive. He could be a natural suit for this league. Welcome to the best club in the world! Our biggest signing since Bent in terms of money too.
I just hope Sherwood carries on signing players like this and is given the money to do so.
Any players that want to leave? Well, they're welcome to fuck off.
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Was it really £9mill or are the club happy to let us think we have spent this type of amount. Conspiracy theory alert!
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So Gueye, is a replacement for our midfield dynamo and captain, only because this is ASTON VILLA does that mean fuck all. Rmember that season we went up to Newcastle and our only recognised midfielder was Ireland (who was new to the club incidently) and them wankers shagged us, Sanchez is ok prone to too many mistakes and slow, Gardner totally unproven, I am the complete optimist,
This is de ja vue boys and them at the top are clueless.
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Was it really £9mill or are the club happy to let us think we have spent this type of amount. Conspiracy theory alert!
What, like letting us think we are in a 'period of exclusivity' kind of way?
Probably.
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So Gueye, is a replacement for our midfield dynamo and captain, only because this is ASTON VILLA does that mean fuck all. Rmember that season we went up to Newcastle and our only recognised midfielder was Ireland (who was new to the club incidently) and them wankers shagged us, Sanchez is ok prone to too many mistakes and slow, Gardner totally unproven, I am the complete optimist,
This is de ja vue boys and them at the top are clueless.
Not that Delph was much use in a number of seriously embarrassing tonkings we received last season
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So Gueye, is a replacement for our midfield dynamo and captain, only because this is ASTON VILLA does that mean fuck all. Rmember that season we went up to Newcastle and our only recognised midfielder was Ireland (who was new to the club incidently) and them wankers shagged us, Sanchez is ok prone to too many mistakes and slow, Gardner totally unproven, I am the complete optimist,
This is de ja vue boys and them at the top are clueless.
Not that Delph was much use in a number of seriously embarrassing tonkings we received last season
or the season before. or the season before that.
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I think this hat wearing hipster is an upgrade in Sanchez.
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So we could start the new season with a midfield of Gueye Delph Sanchez and Gil. Splendid!
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So we could start the new season with a midfield of Gueye Delph Sanchez and Gil. Splendid!
Gil I doubt .
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why not? Someone's done a u turn on him and he's part of the squad. If he's just going to be picking up splinters we may as well have sold him
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Gueye, Delph, Sanchez and Grealish is not the worst place to start from in July.
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I wouldn't be that surprised if Gil starts, primarily as a polite slap on the wrist to Grealish.
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I wouldn't be that surprised if Gil starts, primarily as a polite slap on the wrist to Grealish.
I think we'll likely see both of them in a fair few games, behind Benteke/new striker or Kozak and in front of the 3 above. I think that's a decent side if you get them tucking in 10-15 yards as both are able to go in or out, then in defence you push them out to the fullbacks and keep your 3 in the middle. It's what Lambert was trying to do with Gabby and Weimann but because he decided counter-attack was the way to win and let other teams dominate possession we never had the players in position. On top of that neither of them had the mindset or technique to really work in those roles.
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I see Rodney Marsh has come out and said a few things reinforcing the widely held belief that he is a massive penis.
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I see Rodney Marsh has come out and said a few things reinforcing the widely held belief that he is a massive penis.
He of the bad taste joke about the Tsunami. TWAT!!
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I see Rodney Marsh has come out and said a few things reinforcing the widely held belief that he is a massive penis.
Who's fucking wheeled him out?
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Fucking plonker.
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I see Rodney Marsh has come out and said a few things reinforcing the widely held belief that he is a massive penis.
Who's fucking wheeled him out?
Still can't get over himself being a poor man's George Best and being responsible for Man City losing out on the 1st Division title in the early 70's.
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Marsh has some weird, long running hatred of Villa, mostly based on some of our fans being rude to his mom about forty years ago, or something like that.
He's a monumental twat, of absolutely no relevance or value.
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So Gueye, is a replacement for our midfield dynamo and captain, only because this is ASTON VILLA does that mean fuck all. Rmember that season we went up to Newcastle and our only recognised midfielder was Ireland (who was new to the club incidently) and them wankers shagged us, Sanchez is ok prone to too many mistakes and slow, Gardner totally unproven, I am the complete optimist,
This is de ja vue boys and them at the top are clueless.
Not that Delph was much use in a number of seriously embarrassing tonkings we received last season
or the season before. or the season before that.
oh ok , of course this is my opinion. but I think the FA Cup final was a good example of Delph's inability to deal with the other teams midfield.
What im saying is he had no support or very little support from the other midfielders and when he got the ball he had most times two players on him and some times three, and not to the same degree as the final but I saw many games when he was the only one moving and vision to pick our team up. Of course he made mistakes but I also believes he has given more to the team than any other current villa player, so put him down but what villa player (current) has done more?
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I suppose you could argue that once Benteke hit his stride he did and his goals kept us up?
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Good to have him aboard. The midfield needs all the help it can get ;) Good luck to him!
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Sherwood defies me and suggests he is, as I like to call them, a number 8.
Says he runs and runs and runs, thinks he will benefit from having the shackles taken off and I would say, not a bad replacement for Cleverley, as he can cover Sanchez/Westwood as the holding player.
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Sherwood defies me and suggests he is, as I like to call them, a number 8.
Says he runs and runs and runs, thinks he will benefit from having the shackles taken off and I would say, not a bad replacement for Cleverley, as he can cover Sanchez/Westwood as the holding player.
That's the only sort of player he likes it seems. I still think that Sanchez has a pretty big part to play in the side. He did improve as last season went along and I think is a decent passer too, for the sake of balance I think he should still be in the team fairly reguarly.
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I wonder how Sherwood sees us playing next year. He made plenty of remarks about trying to find a way of playing that suits the players.
The gueye quotes suggest delph and gueye with a sitter behind them. That would rule out 4231 or 532 with a proper attacking midfielder.
Or maybe it means we sometimes won't play with a holder
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Has Gueye put his transfer request in yet?
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Has Gueye put his transfer request in yet?
His agent is busy going through his contract looking for a release clause.
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So I read the fee could actually have been €9m so about £6.5m in real money.
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So I read the fee could actually have been €9m so about £6.5m in real money.
Or about £1.5m within a few weeks ;-)
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Do we lose Gueye in the new year to the African Cup of Nations?
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Do we lose Gueye in the new year to the African Cup of Nations?
No. Only takes place in odd numbered years. Next is 2017.
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Do we lose Gueye in the new year to the African Cup of Nations?
No. Only takes place in odd numbered years. Next is 2017.
Ok thanks
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http://www.getfootballnewsfrance.com/2015/idrissa-gueye-i-needed-a-change-of-scenery/
In an exclusive interview given to L’Équipe, Aston Villa’s new midfielder Idrissa Gueye discussed his decision to join the Premier League outfit.
Why did you choose Aston Villa?
Things flowed immediately with the coach. I saw his game style and where he was counting on putting me (on the right hand side of midfield in a 4-3-3 formation). He had watched a lot of my matches. That gave me confidence. He told me super nice things and that pushed me to make this decision. I also wanted to sign for a club quickly so that I could prepare with my new club.
What happened with Marseille?
My decision was always directed towards England. I never hid that when I spoke with them (Marseille). I say this without degrading Marseille, which is a big club and which could have also been a good springboard. I needed a change of scenery. The most important thing was to get my feet in England for my progression and to look to play for great clubs in the future. This is a league that should suit me perfectly. The box to box, that is my style. I think I will enjoy myself.
Aston Villa finished only 17th last year. Southampton, who finished 7th, were also supposedly interested in you…
There were a few clubs but I wasn’t necessarily their priority. At Southampton, I was number three (on their shortlist) and they never made an offer. Should I have taken the risk of waiting and then no longer having the chance to make my own decision? At Aston Villa, I felt good. They should me their desire to have me. I also spoke with some guys like Didier (Drogba), Momo Diamé and Diomansy Kamara who too me to go. It is a nice challenge and I am ready to face up to it. And even if the team has had difficult seasons, they remain a big club.
Several years ago, someone from Senegal would have chosen Marseille over a foreign club, is that not correct?
Yes. Last year, if they had called me, I would have gone without hesitation. But here, I had the choice and I was one year more experienced. Lille? It will always be the club of my heart. If I am here, it is thanks to them and Diambars (his youth academy in Senegal).
Have you looked at photos of your future teammates in order to know who they are for when you arrive?
Yes, it is important (he laughs). I already ran into Joe Cole over there. He gave me his phone number and says he will show me the good places. The coach already came to him about my arrival. Truly, I am sure that I am going to have a great time. And also, my daughter speaks English: that’s great too!
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I wonder how literally to take the comments on 433 and his position
Presumably delph was lined up to be the left of the three. Really not sure who could play that unless he thinks Gil could. That sounds lightweight to me.
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I wonder how literally to take the comments on 433 and his position
Presumably delph was lined up to be the left of the three. Really not sure who could play that unless he thinks Gil could. That sounds lightweight to me.
Yeah, interesting comments.
I guess that means Sanchez is first choice at the back of the 3?
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I'd guess Westwood. But can't see who plays left really, at the moment. Gardner could play there but that's a leap of faith. Gil or grealish surely need more protection behind them.
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Interesting spin by ESPN or just making the most of the 'Villa is a joke bandwagon?'
http://www.espnfc.co.uk/story/2528701/aston-villa-signing-idrissa-gueye-wants-future-big-club-move?
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Interesting spin by ESPN or just making the most of the 'Villa is a joke bandwagon?'
http://www.espnfc.co.uk/story/2528701/aston-villa-signing-idrissa-gueye-wants-future-big-club-move?
There isn't a bandwagon, except amongst our own supporters.
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He isn't saying anything we didn't expect to hear to be honest,we've been a stepping stone club for the best part of 15 years.
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He isn't saying anything we didn't expect to hear to be honest,we've been a stepping stone club for the best part of 15 years.
To be fair, Liverpool are a stepping stone nowadays. You could argue that Man Utd are a stepping stone to Real Madrid.
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Yes but wouldn't it be nice if he just said " its great to have signed for Villa and I'm looking forward to playing in the Premier League".
Not too much to ask is it. They're dumb aren't they.
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Untilvwe start competing near the top end then any player worth their salt will consider us a stepping stone.
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Yes but wouldn't it be nice if he just said " its great to have signed for Villa and I'm looking forward to playing in the Premier League".
Not too much to ask is it. They're dumb aren't they.
Just about to say same.
Don't say it, just think it you fuckers!
At least they need to perform to get their move. That's why you don't want to sign them when they are 31 and don't give a shit.
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Yes but wouldn't it be nice if he just said " its great to have signed for Villa and I'm looking forward to playing in the Premier League".
Not too much to ask is it. They're dumb aren't they.
I would imagine his English is better than most of our Senegalese but there is still the opportunity for language to be misinterpreted or lost in translation.
Plus, what would people like him to say? Something like this 'I love this club, this is my club......'
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It is quite simple really. If we show a modicum of ambition going forward - eg, we strive to once again compete at the top end of the league, with serious focus on cup competitions and attempt to get into Europe then players won't want to leave and more will want to sign. If we don't, then they won't.
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at least any player who signs for us as a 'stepping stone' has got some ambition.
some of the crap in the current squad seemingly have none at all.
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Whether it was lost in translation or not, it isn't what you want to hear from a new signing.
Yet another pr disaster.
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He says in part of that interview that Southampton never made an offer and he didn't want to be third choice. That tells me he wants to play football, I think that is quite refreshing. He will want to win as well I would imagine. Heaven forbid we sign players with that sort of attitude, we will have to tell the unions about this.
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Well he's not even through the door and already he has spoke out of turn (maybe? ;)) yeah that sounds like our football alright! ;D
Good luck to him we are looking very thread bare in midfield and I hope that he can add some goals and set up some for others, but we still need a few more signings before we look set.
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we're a bottom six premier league side. we've been stuck there for the last 4 seasons (nearly 5).
i don't want to be signing a player who is happy to settle for that level of shite.
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we're a bottom six premier league side. we've been stuck there for the last 4 seasons (nearly 5).
i don't want to be signing a player who is happy to settle for that level of shite.
No, but will do want a player who is up for the fight, before we can look up we have to do the tough stuff down at the bottom first.
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Whether it was lost in translation or not, it isn't what you want to hear from a new signing.
Yet another pr disaster.
I wonder if you'd be good enough to let us know when the club does something, anything at all, that you don't consider a disgracefully embarrassing and shambolic disaster? That goes for certain other posters too...
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"PR disaster" - jesus christ.
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Have we started blaming Micah Richards yet for whatever it is people are unhappy about now?
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Have we started blaming Micah Richards yet for whatever it is people are unhappy about now?
JESUS FUCKING CHRIST, CHRIS
You're only posting here because you see it as a stepping stone to VillaSquawk.
What a disaster.
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"PR disaster" - jesus christ.
If there's one man who's PR was spot on, it's the big JC.
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PR disaster? I think we're becoming a little sensitive. If a player came in and said I've joined Villa, because they finished 4th bottom and that's about my level I'm sure people wouldn't be happy. I don't think what he's said is anything to get upset over.
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"PR disaster" - jesus christ.
If there's one man who's PR was spot on, it's the big JC.
Although, as he said on the cross, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me? We're sleepwalking into oblivion, with yet another PR disaster".
Followed by some pithy stuff about finally finding someone good at crosses at the club etc etc
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I appreciate that it is Monday so I might be a bit slow on the uptake but am I missing what was wrong with what he said?
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I don't see anything wrong in what he says. If you are a foreign player with ambition you should be looking to get some Premier League experience at a club like Villa, make a name for yourself and then move on after a couple of years. Unfortunately this is the place we find ourselves in until we can get ourselves back into the top 6 on a regular basis. From what I've seen and read this guy looks like a better version of Delph so we've done well to persuade him to join.
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"PR disaster" - jesus christ.
If there's one man who's PR was spot on, it's the big JC.
Exactly, Tom Fox needs to stop fannying about and bring in Jesus's PR team immediately. Course, knowing Villa he'll try and save a few quid and we'll end up with Judas Iscariot's people instead. It's bound to be a disaster. ("And the Lord spake and He said, "How far we have fallen..."")
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we're a bottom six premier league side. we've been stuck there for the last 4 seasons (nearly 5).
i don't want to be signing a player who is happy to settle for that level of shite.
No, but will do want a player who is up for the fight, before we can look up we have to do the tough stuff down at the bottom first.
it's not october mate, we're not in a relegation battle yet!
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I appreciate that it is Monday so I might be a bit slow on the uptake but am I missing what was wrong with what he said?
I just think it's a dumb think to say. I wouldn't say it on my first day in a job.
I suppose we're not signing these guys for their etiquette.
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"PR disaster" - jesus christ.
If there's one man who's PR was spot on, it's the big JC.
Exactly, Tom Fox needs to stop fannying about and bring in Jesus's PR team immediately. Course, knowing Villa he'll try and save a few quid and we'll end up with Judas Iscariot's people instead. It's bound to be a disaster. ("And the Lord spake and He said, "How far we have fallen..."")
I wonder how's JC's PR team would have handled it when The Sun splashed the exclusive on the front page of his relationship with Mary Magdalene and the rumours of her other "career".
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Benteke said something similar when he arrived. Three years as one of the best in the business and a 350% profit when Gueye leaves will do for me.
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In the food chain every club is a stepping stone to a select few. Playing for Nice was a stepping stone for Gueye to get into the PL with us. If he does well we'll get paid and he advances. Hopefully if we do well then he'll stick around for a bit longer. That's the goal ultimately. And when he moves we have in place the next Gueye or Amavi.
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On Gueye - After last weeks events, shouldn't we appreciate a bit of honesty from a player?
On Jesus - Yeah, spinning the fact that he was getting executed as a common criminal, into 'allowing himself to be crucified to death, so He could save us from our sins', was the ultimate PR coup IMO
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Benteke said something similar when he arrived. Three years as one of the best in the business and a 350% profit when Gueye leaves will do for me.
Precisely and it's why I think that in general most people don't have a problem with Benteke going. The only way we'll ever progress is buying promising talent, getting good performances out of them and then selling them at big profits.
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Have we started blaming Micah Richards yet for whatever it is people are unhappy about now?
JESUS FUCKING CHRIST, CHRIS
You're only posting here because you see it as a stepping stone to VillaSquawk.
What a disaster.
Blame eastie, he spoke very highly about them.
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Don't see the problem with it
Our Tim does seem to be persuasive with the players no?
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He also called us a big club and admitted he picked us over other suitors. Journos the just want to get clicks so pick out one bit, and twist it.
Nothing new.
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People are quick to moan about players in comfort zones and happy to pick up their money.
It would be hypocritical for those same people to moan about a player who is driven and has ambition.
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we're a bottom six premier league side. we've been stuck there for the last 4 seasons (nearly 5).
i don't want to be signing a player who is happy to settle for that level of shite.
From talking to other football fans that's pretty much how we are seen now. Only recent memory counts in football.
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We are a stepping stone club at the present, but hopefully we will gradually start to finish higher up that league table, then players may want to stay.
I like his honesty though, just hope all these new buys have no crappy clauses in the contract.
You want our players, it's time to spend BIG.
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"PR disaster" - jesus christ.
If there's one man who's PR was spot on, it's the big JC.
I'm not sure about that, those strip clubs and hanging with Alesha Dixon was pretty naff....
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I'm a little let down by the fact he's already looking beyond his time here but I really hope he does well. I'll support him while he's in the shirt.
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Benteke said something similar when he arrived. Three years as one of the best in the business and a 350% profit when Gueye leaves will do for me.
Exactly. Save for the two big Spanish sides I reckon every club is pretty much a potential stepping stone. In these CL dominated days and with 24 man squads it is how all clubs must operate. That is the game these days and we have to adapt and play it the best we can.
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why would he say that
I wouldn't mind spending the night with Natalie Sawyer but I don't go and tell the wife else there would be a mither
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why would he say that
I wouldn't mind spending the night with Natalie Sawyer but I don't go and tell the wife else there would be a mither
Errr Natalie has been on , what time you popping round ?
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Does it matter what he said?
If he wants to play for a bigger club than Villa then he has got to perform like he could play for a bigger club than Villa, which will be great for us won't it? Benteke did, and nailed us £32.5million.
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I wouldn't mind having a few more players that the top 6 would like to buy from us.
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It's better than him saying 'I'll stay at Villa for two or three years before joining Bolton after flopping.' I don't expect him to stay at Villa forever and ever.
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I wouldn't mind having a few more players that the top 6 would like to buy from us.
I'd rather be top 6.
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Yes, but we're not there at the moment.
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Does it matter what he said?
If he wants to play for a bigger club than Villa then he has got to perform like he could play for a bigger club than Villa, which will be great for us won't it? Benteke did, and nailed us £32.5million.
How difficult is to say nothing other than 'I'm glad to be here and completely focussed on being a success at Villa'
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I imagine he and Amavi will both feature at some point tonight.....won't they?
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I imagine he and Amavi will both feature at some point tonight.....won't they?
Depends on how their current fitness has been assessed at.
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Does it matter what he said?
If he wants to play for a bigger club than Villa then he has got to perform like he could play for a bigger club than Villa, which will be great for us won't it? Benteke did, and nailed us £32.5million.
Agreed, but he's a young player who did also say some positive things, so we could probably let him off this time. I think we're all just a bit sensitive at the moment thanks to that snake Delph.
How difficult is to say nothing other than 'I'm glad to be here and completely focussed on being a success at Villa'
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As a club our job is to match the players ambition and build a side he doesn't feel the need to leave.
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It is quite easy for a player to innocently say "yes" to a reporter asking the question "would you like to play for a CL side one day?". That then gets used by the reporter to say that said player is only using the club as a stepping stone, which is not incorrect but it is the emphasis you put on it in the scheme of things.
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Does it matter what he said?
If he wants to play for a bigger club than Villa then he has got to perform like he could play for a bigger club than Villa, which will be great for us won't it? Benteke did, and nailed us £32.5million.
How difficult is to say nothing other than 'I'm glad to be here and completely focussed on being a success at Villa'
Depends on what you are being asked, especially by a journalist looking for an angle.
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If a journalist asked me if one day I would like to sleep with mila kunis or Emma Willis then I would have to say yes.
So it's the same for a footballer
I love my wife but you gotta be honest
Hope to hell she don't ever see this
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I'd rather have players seeing us as a stepping stone, than a retirement home.
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Emma Willis is a Villa fan by the way. She is hot.
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If a journalist asked me if one day I would like to sleep with mila kunis or Emma Willis then I would have to say yes.
So it's the same for a footballer
I love my wife but you gotta be honest
Hope to hell she don't ever see this
Actually I think the solution is a lot easier.
If a journalist asks you if you would like to sleep with Mila Kunis or Emma Willis you say NO!
However if Mila Kunis or Emma Willis asks you if you would like to sleep with them you say YES!
Err what were we talking about again? :)
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Early days, but Gueye has impressed me. He looks like an upgrade of Delph if anything.
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Early days, but Gueye has impressed me. He looks like an upgrade of Delph if anything.
Very early days. It was exactly two years ago that, after the Walsall friendly, I said 'that new lad Luna looks a helluva player, I cant see him being here too long'. And I was right, just not for the reasons I said it.
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Worth muting the sound when watching.
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Very much so.
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Worth muting the sound when watching.
Damn straight.
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Will be interesting to see him presumably alongside Sanchez. A bit of strength in the middle would be good.
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So the BBC have decided that he is Gana then?
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So his name is Gueye but he has Ganna on the back of his shirt. What's all that about?
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GANA
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I am confused as to why!
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Chose his middle name for some reason apparently
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He had Gana on his kit in France too. Personal choice I suppose to use his middle name.
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Perhaps he's a massive homophobe?
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Perhaps he's a massive homophobe?
It's spelt homophone. ;-)
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If we can't him Marvin, I'm going for Joel.
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He was excellent today. I was very impressed.
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He was excellent today. I was very impressed.
Looked good on MOTD today, as well.
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MOTM in my view
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MOTM in my view
Between him, Sanchez and Amavi for me, I'd have had Westwood in the mix as well but he needed to do better with his chance.
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I'm really happy with our central midfield options now and the blend worked well today. And once our creative players get up and running I'm very confident there too
Defensively less so but lescott will help. Also much happier with Guzan than most, save for with the ball at his feet
But I'd put us amongst the very worst in the league for centre forward options at the moment. Hopefully form will improve, but I don't think the current crop offer us what we need
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Looks a class player - wins the ball, keeps possession, comfortable carrying the ball forward at speed. The only problem I have is that so far it seems like he's being asked to create stuff for us in the final third, which isn't his game.
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He looks very good.
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He's the pick of the summer signings so far, with Richards a close second.
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Yes totally agree with above posts. Veretout has now got to step up and oust Westwood. A midfield trio of Gana, Sanchez and Veretout to take care of the business whilst Grealish and Sinclair rip apart defences to feed a goal scorer be it Gestede/Ayew/Kozak/?????? Would be the ideal set up.
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Yes totally agree with above posts. Veretout has now got to step up and oust Westwood. A midfield trio of Gana, Sanchez and Veretout to take care of the business whilst Grealish and Sinclair rip apart defences to feed a goal scorer be it Gestede/Ayew/Kozak/?????? Would be the ideal set up.
This.
Hope you're well, Aftab. A good summer? Tokyo has been scorchingly hot, but it's cooling down now. I'm off to Shanghai next month for a week and it will be there that I watch both the Baggies and Blues games.
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Hi Nik. You deserve some good football for all the sleepless nights you spend watching us. We could have met in Shanghai next week but I have been diverted to Bangalore. Flying out on 13/9 for up to a month so going to miss Albion again as I was in Seoul for both games last season.
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Yes totally agree with above posts. Veretout has now got to step up and oust Westwood. A midfield trio of Gana, Sanchez and Veretout to take care of the business whilst Grealish and Sinclair rip apart defences to feed a goal scorer be it Gestede/Ayew/Kozak/?????? Would be the ideal set up.
On yesterday's display gil should start. he was causing Sunderland all kinds of problems
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Looks a class player - wins the ball, keeps possession, comfortable carrying the ball forward at speed. The only problem I have is that so far it seems like he's being asked to create stuff for us in the final third, which isn't his game.
That would be pretty much my take too. He got forward a fair amount yesterday but doesn't seem a natural finisher.
I think he often looks like he is about to be robbed of the ball but somehow keeps possession. For the former he reminds me of Reo Coker, for the latter he doesn't.
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I am so,so impressed with Gueye.
I think he will go on to be our very own Claude Makelele, and is already an upgrade on the fucking snake.
He is going to be a top,top player.
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I am so,so impressed with Gueye.
I think he will go on to be our very own Claude Makelele, and is already an upgrade on the fucking snake.
He is going to be a top,top player.
It's sad in a way to think he's already one of our two best French players of all time - and the other one's Amavi.
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Even though he's from Senegal? *winky*
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I am so,so impressed with Gueye.
I think he will go on to be our very own Claude Makelele, and is already an upgrade on the fucking snake.
He is going to be a top,top player.
It's sad in a way to think he's already one of our two best French players of all time - and the other one's Amavi.
Why do you ignore Didier Six?
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Yes totally agree with above posts. Veretout has now got to step up and oust Westwood. A midfield trio of Gana, Sanchez and Veretout to take care of the business whilst Grealish and Sinclair rip apart defences to feed a goal scorer be it Gestede/Ayew/Kozak/?????? Would be the ideal set up.
No Adama?
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Keep Adama on bench for now along with Gil to find a way through bus park when we are playing teams who come for a draw ;)
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I am so,so impressed with Gueye.
I think he will go on to be our very own Claude Makelele, and is already an upgrade on the fucking snake.
He is going to be a top,top player.
It's sad in a way to think he's already one of our two best French players of all time - and the other one's Amavi.
Why do you ignore Didier Six?
No love for Berson either
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I am so,so impressed with Gueye.
I think he will go on to be our very own Claude Makelele, and is already an upgrade on the fucking snake.
He is going to be a top,top player.
It's sad in a way to think he's already one of our two best French players of all time - and the other one's Amavi.
Why do you ignore Didier Six?
No love for Berson either
Or David Ginola, Sir Douglas of Ellis signed him personally on his hols.
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I find the lack of love for Pires disturbing.
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I am so,so impressed with Gueye.
I think he will go on to be our very own Claude Makelele, and is already an upgrade on the fucking snake.
He is going to be a top,top player.
It's sad in a way to think he's already one of our two best French players of all time - and the other one's Amavi.
Why do you ignore Didier Six?
I remember the sheer buzz coming out of his debut for us.
Then the disappointment as it didn't work out.
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I find the lack of love for Pires disturbing.
Didn't he talk about us having a lack of respect for him?
Which I think was based on something like us sending him a chauffeur driven car to pick him up from That London every day rather than a gold plated hovercraft.
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I find the lack of love for Pires disturbing.
Didn't he talk about us having a lack of respect for him?
Which I think was based on something like us sending him a chauffeur driven car to pick him up from That London every day rather than a gold plated hovercraft.
I can just imagine Sir Doug promising him a gold plated hovercraft for him to sign and then screwing him over as part of cost cuts forcing him to "settle" for a limo and a daily back seat gummer. The poor fucking sap.
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Definitely an upgrade on Delph. Really good engine and good awareness.
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I'd love to have seen Delph and Gueye in the same side, but hey fuck him and the bench warming toad.
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Yes totally agree with above posts. Veretout has now got to step up and oust Westwood. A midfield trio of Gana, Sanchez and Veretout to take care of the business whilst Grealish and Sinclair rip apart defences to feed a goal scorer be it Gestede/Ayew/Kozak/?????? Would be the ideal set up.
This.
Hope you're well, Aftab. A good summer? Tokyo has been scorchingly hot, but it's cooling down now. I'm off to Shanghai next month for a week and it will be there that I watch both the Baggies and Blues games.
Don't wear your colours, the whole nation is split 50/50 between the bitters and the rags.
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I'm very impressed with him so far. Definate upgrade on the snake. His only downside so far is his shooting. He's not as bad as Tonev but he needs to work on it.
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I'd love to have seen Delph and Gueye in the same side
Exactly what I was saying to my mate yesterday. Potentially an explosive partnership.
Oh well ....
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I don't think we'll miss Delph at all. Benteke however...
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Just read on news-now that he's picked up a hamstring injury training with Senegal. Hop this is wrong😞
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Just read on news-now that he's picked up a hamstring injury training with Senegal. Hop this is wrong😞
Balls!
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Very bad news if true.
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Fuck off constant injuries.
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Suspected hamstring injury. Will have tests Tuesday am to see the extent of the damage and will miss tomorrows match.
Hope this is a minor strain. We are going to need him. Mainly for the Albion-noses matches ....
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He's been ace so far and feel that we've already come to rely on him a bit too much...he's settled in really well and he was the stand out player v Sunderland and interesting to see that the only way their midfield could deal with him was by persistently fouling him.
Hopefully, TS's midfield army can cover him for a few games if they need to.
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Just read on news-now that he's picked up a hamstring injury training with Senegal. Hop this is wrong😞
Balls!
No, hamstring.
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I was only thinking the other day that I hope our players return from international duty injury free, so I'd be gutted if he has picked up an injury with some important fixtures to come this month.
Hopefully the squad not on international duty will be using these 2 weeks to improve their fitness and stamina, and with Sanchez, Westwood and Veretout all fully match fit we should have enough strength in depth to cover a couple of injuries.
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So that's, what, 3 of our new signings that have been injured already and it's early September? Given our record over the last few years, i'm surprised it's not higher.
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I hope he is fit - he's walking normally apparently
But if not we've got more cover now. Could enable us to play adama, grealish and Sinclair.
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That would be really bad news.
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I hope he is fit - he's walking normally apparently
But if not we've got more cover now. Could enable us to play adama, grealish and Sinclair.
You can play those 3 ahead of Gueye and Sanchez/Westwood anyway with Gestede/Kozak/Ayew up front.
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I hope he is fit - he's walking normally apparently
But if not we've got more cover now. Could enable us to play adama, grealish and Sinclair.
You can play those 3 ahead of Gueye and Sanchez/Westwood anyway with Gestede/Kozak/Ayew up front.
It ultimately depends on whether Sanchez (or Veretout, once he comes along) can play in a midfield two or not. He's looked more comfortable playing in a midfield three so far at Villa, because I think the extra midfielder helps him as another passing option and gives him freedom to be more aggressive defensively (which is where his strength lies) without having to worry about what's going on elsewhere.
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Sanchez and Westwood would be fine as a midfield pair in front of the back four...in fact I'd be more worried about Westwood than Sanchez.
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Any injury news update on Gueye?
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How longs he out for ?
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He seems to have been on the bench tonight. If that's right it can't be that bad
No point taking a risk though.
I take the point on Sanchez being better playing the Hoover with a runner either side. But surely he and Westwood could do an effective double pivot? Not much energy perhaps.
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Somebody tweeted he was on the bench for Senegal today. Hopefully that's not bulltwit.
Just seen Matt's post above. We must follow the same peeps.
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I take the point on Sanchez being better playing the Hoover with a runner either side. But surely he and Westwood could do an effective double pivot? Not much energy perhaps.
When we've got Traore, Grealish and Sinclair running at the opposition, plus our centre forward for the opposition defence to be aware of, I dont think the midfield pair will need to push forward much. I have a feeling TS will prefer this flexible rotating 442 though and they seem to interchange formations and positions on whether we're in possession or not.
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The pairing as anchor needs to be Gana and Sanchez, westwood is a back up and league cup sort of guy
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The pairing as anchor needs to be Gana and Sanchez, westwood is a back up and league cup sort of guy
I may be remembering this incorrectly and if I am I apologise, but weren't you slating Sanchez towards the end of the season saying he was too slow and he made too many fundamental errors?
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The pairing as anchor needs to be Gana and Sanchez, westwood is a back up and league cup sort of guy
I may be remembering this incorrectly and if I am I apologise, but weren't you slating Sanchez towards the end of the season saying he was too slow and he made too many fundamental errors?
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Don't be distracting silhill he's still wading through my posts in an attempt to prove I spend my time 'slaughtering the daytrippers at Man United'.
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Just read on news-now that he's picked up a hamstring injury training with Senegal. Hop this is wrong😞
Balls!
No, hamstring.
I think I'd prefer "a hammy" to testicular torsion, and I don't mean that in a Pet Shot Boys Urban Myth sort of way, before you ask.
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A couple of almost complimentary reports from BM:
Aston Villa injury scare: Idrissa Gana injured on international duty
BY STEVE WOLLASTON
Aston Villa midfielder Idrissa Gana has picked up a hamstring injury on international duty with Senegal.
The new Villa signing was due to play for Senegal against South Africa but he missed the team's final training session after picking up an injury to his hamstring during the 2-0 African Cup of Nations qualifier win over Namibia.
AfricanFoootball.com reports that Gana will go for a scan this morning to determine the extent of the injury.
Gana has admirably filled the sizeable boots of Fabian Delph since he arrived from Ligue 1 side Lille.
Alongside Ashley Westwood, Carlos Sanchez and Jordan Veretout, there's plenty of options for Tim Sherwood in Villa's midfield.
Yet Gana's tough tackling approach, coupled with his passing qualities and ability to carry the ball sees him on of the top flight's stand-out additions.
The Senegalese international has completed 29 tackles, while he also averages 1.5 shots per game, 1.5 key passes per game and two successful dribbles per game.
Idrissa Gana is injured: Gregg Evans considers how will Aston Villa cope if the midfielder is ruled out of the Leicester trip
BY GREGG EVANS
The bad news is Gana has picked up a hamstring problem, the good news is Villa have midfield alternatives.
Aston Villa’s new-look midfield may need another shake-up this weekend as Idrissa Gana continues to struggle with a hamstring injury picked up on international duty.
The 25-year-old, signed for £9million from Lille this summer, has been the stand-out performer in the middle of the park with his high-energy, all-action displays.
Gana was tasked with replacing former captain Fabian Delph ,who left for Manchester City this summer, and already he’s made great strides to fill the England man’s big boots.
Although he isn’t the vocal leader that Delph once was, he has showed signs that he can drive the team forward, create chances, and hopefully, in time, chip in with some much-needed strikes from midfield.
Tonight he will sit out of Senegal’s clash with South Africa and is also a doubt for Villa's trip to Leicester City on Sunday.
The news is an obvious blow for Tim Sherwood who had just started to get his midfield in good shape.
Acting as the ‘hoover’ in the team, Carlos Sanchez was doing a fine job breaking up play and dragging opposing midfielders out of their deep-lying positions.
That allowed Gana, Ashley Westwood and the wide players to rotate their runs and create attacks from all areas on the pitch.
Sherwood wants more goals from his midfielders this term and reckons they will have plenty of space with Sanchez acting as the sitter.
The Villa boss many have to alter his line-up this weekend, though, if Gana doesn’t make it, and that shouldn’t necessarily bring too many problems.
Villa recruited heavily this summer.
Twelve players arrived and now there might be a chance for Jordan Veretout or Carles Gil to come in from the start.
Veretout bagged or created 46-percent of Nantes' league goals last term but will need time to settle into the new surroundings.
Gil, who was cast aside by Sherwood last season, will ‘play a lot of football’ this time around, according to the boss, and could be seen as a brave replacement.
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It's not the most insightful piece. People here have already spotted that we've the option of not just doing a one for one swap, and instead changing the shape, enabling us to get more of our seemingly now fit attacking players in the side. Eg grealish AND Traore.
It would leave us more open but I'd be tempted to do that. Looks exciting.
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Any injury news?
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http://www.physioroom.com/news/english_premier_league/epl_injury_table.php
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So both Gana and Traore classed as "doubtful".
We all know that in the case of Villa players doubtful means "will not play" whereas for the opposition it means "will play out of his skin" (eg Mahrez, doubtful my arse).
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He's training but may not be risked v the baggies
I'd def want him to play tho it's silly to take a risk with a hammy
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We definitely need him back sooner rather than later but it would be stupid to risk him if theres any doubts over his hamstring.
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No point in risking him if he's not ready, he's very important. I'd like to see Veretout given a chance to play.
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I'm thinking a midfield of Sanchez, Westwood and Veretout should be sufficient to handle Baggies as they will most likely sit deep and I doubt they'll be too adventurous coming forward. The concern for me is whether we have enough creativity and threat up front without Gil and Traore...we have the pace with Sinclair and Gabby but they need to get behind them to cause any damage.
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We're going to have to find a way to get through Pulis's famed ten man defence.
Not quite so keen to pop up here telling us how they invented "playing football the right way" these days, are they, oddly?
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Get your money on 0-0 I fear
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The ones that drink on my local don't even try to defend their football anymore. Instead they complain that my picking on it is outrageous.
When they start a response with "tay fair because" I tend to zone out.
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We're going to have to find a way to get through Pulis's famed ten man defence.
Not quite so keen to pop up here telling us how they invented "playing football the right way" these days, are they, oddly?
I do still listen to WM, it is a form of self torture. It is interesting how many of them are phoning up now complaining about his anti football. Even Richard Sneekes their resident 'legend' moans openly about him. Apparently last week he played Lambert in midfield!
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Be nice if Gana could at least make bench tomorrow then we bring him on to shore up a lead
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Be nice if Gana could at least make bench tomorrow then we bring him on to shore up a lead
You just said it was going to be 0-0.
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Be nice if Gana could at least make bench tomorrow then we bring him on to shore up a lead
Can't Ayew do that?
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Be nice if Gana could at least make bench tomorrow then we bring him on to shore up a lead
You just said it was going to be 0-0.
It will be, but we can all dream
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Be nice if Gana could at least make bench tomorrow then we bring him on to shore up a lead
Can't Ayew do that?
Haha
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Missed him massively today
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Need him and Traore fit A.S.A.P if we're to start picking up points again on a regular basis.
I suppose that's the one defence you can still give Sherwood. Gueye looks excellent first few games, injured since Sunderland. Traore has a brilliant cameo at Palace and we haven't seen him since.
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Need him and Traore fit A.S.A.P if we're to start picking up points again on a regular basis.
I suppose that's the one defence you can still give Sherwood. Gueye looks excellent first few games, injured since Sunderland. Traore has a brilliant cameo at Palace and we haven't seen him since.
That's my defence of the Villa at the moment, but it's a bit of a pathetic one. Traore's a teenager that's played two games for us and we already can't win without him. Doesn't say much for the rest of the forward line.
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Gueye is the best of our new players...arguably the best player in the team and we've missed him in midfield these last 2 games. The lineups, formation, tactics and results could have been very different with Gueye in the team.
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Thing is we can't rely upon one midfielder all season. We're looking under equipped again. It's worrying
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I agree and unfortunately Sanchez seems to be reverting to the player he was last season.
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Poor teams rely on one or two good players. If they had a squad full of good players, then they wouldn't be poor.
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Gone back to France for treatment on his hamstring,not surprised really it takes our physio 6 weeks to get Vlaar fit from a calf strain & Traore has been out 4 weeks now with a kick on his ankle so it's probably his best chance of being fit before Christmas
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That has made me laugh - I do not believe everything about us is crap but that just made me laugh at my desk.
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So how long do we expect Gueye to be out for now...another 3 or 4 weeks? We could do with a poll! ;)
TS is going to need to change to a 352 or 433 to give us something more in midfield whilst Gueye is out injured...Sanchez and Westwood simply can't do a job in the middle of the park on their own.
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Just shows the lack of quality in the squad. Very worrying with 32 PL games to go. January's window will be pivotal.
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where's the money coming from though?
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where's the money coming from though?
This is where the problem lies. Really, a net spend of less than £10M in the summer window is peanuts. Even the Baggies had a net spend of £24M. I wish we had Rondon and Berahino as forward options instead of Ayew and Gestede. Heaven knows when Lerner will sell up and we get new ambitious owners who will inject the necessary funds to take the club forward.
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agreed. Much as I will give Ayew a chance, I think there were better options around for the money, with the obvious caveat that the other options were always going to have an element of risk; Rondon, as you say, looks like a decent signing .
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agreed. Much as I will give Ayew a chance, I think there were better options around for the money, with the obvious caveat that the other options were always going to have an element of risk; Rondon, as you say, looks like a decent signing .
I think you've been listening to WM too much. Franksy was fawning over his performance on Saturday, but from what I saw he looked a few stone overweight, very slow and exhausted after about 25 minutes.
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agreed. Much as I will give Ayew a chance, I think there were better options around for the money, with the obvious caveat that the other options were always going to have an element of risk; Rondon, as you say, looks like a decent signing .
I think you've been listening to WM too much. Franksy was fawning over his performance on Saturday, but from what I saw he looked a few stone overweight, very slow and exhausted after about 25 minutes.
I thought he looked like a decent target man on saturday
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slow, a few stone overweight and exhausted after 25minutes sounds more like one of ours
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agreed. Much as I will give Ayew a chance, I think there were better options around for the money, with the obvious caveat that the other options were always going to have an element of risk; Rondon, as you say, looks like a decent signing .
I think you've been listening to WM too much. Franksy was fawning over his performance on Saturday, but from what I saw he looked a few stone overweight, very slow and exhausted after about 25 minutes.
I thought he looked like a decent target man on saturday
He didn't look to be anything amazing, but he looked better than any striker we've had in our team so far this season.
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slow, a few stone overweight and exhausted after 25minutes sounds more like one of ours
Looked good first half. Then tiny oenis shut up shop and he didnt get a kick
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Gueye back in full training. That's pretty quick for a hamstring, but fantastic news.
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Excellent news. It's a bit annoying that for all we spent (even considering the fact that we needed replacements for two very good players), he's the only midfielder we have who can carry the ball forward with confidence - although hopefully Veretout will show that he can do that as well in due course.
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Gueye and Veretout were the only 2 midfielders we signed this summer...if anything it simply emphasises the lack of quality in midfield before we signed them. I suppose Traore could also count as a midfielder but all 3 are comfortable on the ball and are great additions to the squad. Hopefully we'll be able to strengthen in midfield further next summer.
Anyways, great news that both Gueye and Traore are back in training...hopefully they'll be able to get some game time against Stoke after a week training. We'll be a completely different prospect with both of them in the team.
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An exciting prospect at that.
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Can't believe he was dropped from the squad for anything more than fitness reasons yesterday.
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Can't believe he was dropped from the squad for anything more than fitness reasons yesterday.
He hasn't looked fully fit since he injured his hamstring and tired rapidly in the last 10 minutes against Swansea (shame Sherwood didn't spot that or Richardson getting overrun by their sub). Hopefully he'll be back, fully fit, on Monday
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Can't believe he was dropped from the squad for anything more than fitness reasons yesterday.
I didn't have an issue with resting some players. But there were some players who could and should have played, and we could easily have selected players in a system to create and score goals. Gil hasn't played much. Neither has Ayew or Traore. We don't need to go over Kozak. There was no need to set up the side to stop Southampton from playing. He could have rotated the squad but still showed a desire to attack and win.
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slow, a few stone overweight and exhausted after 25minutes sounds more like one of ours
gabby
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Got to say I've been a bit disappointed with Gana. I thought he started really well, but since then his level has declined a lot. Where Veretout and Ayew took a while to get settled and are now excelling, Gana seems to be doing the opposite. Do people think it might be down to confidence? He obviously has some talent, but isn't really showing it at the moment.
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I think it is a confidence issue. Big dip in form but I think he has improved a little (as have the whole team) in the last 2 games, hopefully all on an upward curve now
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I thought he played quite well against Newcastle, but he does have a tendency to run too long with ball, usually after he's made a good turn to get away from a player.
Iron out a few creases like that and we've got a good player, it's the third midfield slot we need to sort.
It's always the third midfield spot, the hard running and tackling man, it's plagued us for years. We've had at least one absolute duffer in there at any point of the last few seasons, and the only respite came when Sylla came and miraculously played out of skin, and Cleverley started finding form.
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It is no wonder the players from France have taken a long time to settle in when their confidence was shaken by Sherwood's actions and comments. I wonder how much of a divide there has been in the club, particularly when you saw KMcD's team for the Spurs match.
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I think my disappointment has been based on his impressive start, but I'm sure with the improvements we've seen under Remi he'll come into his own again soon.
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Gueye today was fucking garbage, at fault for the last two let in today in the space of two minutes.
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Hasnt replaced delph im afraid
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after a decent run of form in recent games, those two assists today could finish his confidence entirely at Villa
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Handful of good games all season. Hasn't been decent value for money at all yet.
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runs about a lot and eeerrr runs about a lot
file under el ahmadi and holman
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Gueye today was fucking garbage, at fault for the last two let in today in the space of two minutes.
I thought he was one of our better players today until he played the ball back for their third. His head completely went then and another mistake led to them getting their fourth almost straight after.
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One down......
Idrissa Gueye will quit Aston Villa – agent
Speaking to a Senegalese press agency, midfielder Idrissa Gueye’s agent announced that his client will not be at Aston Villa next season.
“He will almost certainly be at another Premier League club, if not, then the Bundesliga.”
This announcement also seems to rule out a return to France for Gueye, who joined the Midlands club last summer.
Aston Villa were today officially relegated from the Premier League after a loss to Manchester United.
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Good luck with that Idrissa.
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The last thing we need is players next season who don't want to be at the club. We had enough of that this season. We are still Aston Villa and Championship or not there will be lots of players who WANT to play for us. If you want out get out. We must start in August with a squad of players who all want the same thing, one thing and that's promotion at the first attempt.
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And take Bacuna, Westwood, Guzan, Richards and Lescott with you.
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Assuming it's true, it's pretty classless coming out with that today.
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1 goal (against Wycombe) no assists, can't pass, can't tackle, shite touch, decent engine, they'll be queing up.
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How will we cope without his no league goals?
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The last thing we need is players next season who don't want to be at the club. We had enough of that this season. We are still Aston Villa and Championship or not there will be lots of players who WANT to play for us. If you want out get out. We must start in August with a squad of players who all want the same thing, one thing and that's promotion at the first attempt.
Agree. Gana would be one of the few who I would want to keep based on ability, but if that's the way he feels - same with Okore - see you later.
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Fuck off and don't come back then. Drop him for the remainder. I don't wanna hear from a single one of our players, or their agents about jumping ship until the final whistle of the final game. There's 4 games left for some of these toss baskets to try and restore some semblence of pride.
As for Gana, his stats may say he's been better than Kante, but if ever you wanted a perfect example of why stats are absolutely meangingless all you have to do is watch back Gana's performances and look at our league position. Then watch back Kante and look at Leicesters position. Gana's been a 5/10 this season. That does indeed make him easily one of our better performers. Fair enough, but that's still crap.
Goodbye, good riddance and I'll have forgotten you ever played for us within 10 years you shower of piss.
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Exactly how many games this season has this peanut hearted lightweight given up in so far?
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I do like him but as Luke says his stats tend to suggest he won't be missed.
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File under Jean Makoun II. At least he had a funny jumper.
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For me personally, there is nothing any one of these parasites could do in the next four games to "restore any semblance of pride".
Play them next week for a public humiliation.
Then pay them up and fuck them out, because while they're here, we will have no chance in Div 2, no matter who the manager is.
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Honestly couldn't really care a less. He played nearly all our games and has done fuck all.
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1 goal (against Wycombe) no assists, can't pass, can't tackle, shite touch, decent engine, they'll be queing up.
Indeed.
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You're all forgetting his defence splitting pass for Inaecho in the FA Cup, that was a good one.
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Bye then. One of the "decent" ones who seemed to care a bit
Fuck off. Go play in the premier league I reckon Pepe would have been watching you masterful midfield performances. Just fuck right off!
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Another player with delusions of grandeur. Which is funny, playing for the grandest club of them all.
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I think he's been ok for us but he won't be missed overall.
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He got an assist in the Bournemouth home game. 1 assist and 0 goals is shite though for a midfielder that has played over 2700 mins of league football this season.
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He's second only to Kante for tackles made this season.
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And second only to NRC for promptly losing possession again.
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Assuming it's true, it's pretty classless coming out with that today.
Thing is someone is going to have to pay decent money for him and I can't see that. He might not want his agent burning bridges.
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I don't think he has ever looked happy here from the day he signed. Rat no. 1.
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He's second only to Kante for tackles made this season.
Unfortunately a lot of his tackles are his second touch because his first is like Gestede's.
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And second only to NRC for promptly losing possession again.
He's not even fit to lace Coker's boots to be honest. I don't think Nigel was actually that bad for us, when he got a run in this side. He did quite well in the tail end of Houllier's season when we switched formation and had him as the holding player. At the very least he wouldn't disappear in games and go hiding.
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He's second only to Kante for tackles made this season.
Unfortunately a lot of his tackles are his second touch because his first is like Gestede's.
And he never makes those tackles in the areas that matter either. Our backline has had no protection whatsoever.
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Nah, NRC was crap imo. He's like Hutton, runs around a lot and will give his all, but is ultimately, a bit shit.
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I just wish they'd all fuck off at the moment. Pathetic, spineless twats.
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I'm sure black will still play him next week.
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Nah, NRC was crap imo. He's like Hutton, runs around a lot and will give his all, but is ultimately, a bit shit.
he would walk into this current team, that's how shit they are.
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Nah, NRC was crap imo. He's like Hutton, runs around a lot and will give his all, but is ultimately, a bit shit.
I'd take a few more players giving their all this season. But yeah, he was a bit shit. One perfect moment that summed up Coker for me was against Juve in the peace cup. Last minute of the game, in extra time. We're under the cosh. It's a pre-season game (July??). We've worked hard. Most of the players are breathing out their arse at this point. Coker gets the ball and then somehow beyond all comprehension has the energy to run full pelt the entire length of the pitch...only to get just inside their box and run straight into a defender and give the ball away.
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Nah, NRC was crap imo. He's like Hutton, runs around a lot and will give his all, but is ultimately, a bit shit.
he would walk into this current team, that's how shit they are.
Even at 31 and playing in Canada. He could still walk into our side. That's if we can get him before Inter snap him up.
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he said as he wa sjoining that we were a stepping stone to better things. Good luck with that.
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Fuck off and don't come back then. Drop him for the remainder. I don't wanna hear from a single one of our players, or their agents about jumping ship until the final whistle of the final game. There's 4 games left for some of these toss baskets to try and restore some semblence of pride.
As for Gana, his stats may say he's been better than Kante, but if ever you wanted a perfect example of why stats are absolutely meangingless all you have to do is watch back Gana's performances and look at our league position. Then watch back Kante and look at Leicesters position. Gana's been a 5/10 this season. That does indeed make him easily one of our better performers. Fair enough, but that's still crap.
Goodbye, good riddance and I'll have forgotten you ever played for us within 10 years you shower of piss.
Yes
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Nah, NRC was crap imo. He's like Hutton, runs around a lot and will give his all, but is ultimately, a bit shit.
I'd take a few more players giving their all this season. But yeah, he was a bit shit. One perfect moment that summed up Coker for me was against Juve in the peace cup. Last minute of the game, in extra time. We're under the cosh. It's a pre-season game (July??). We've worked hard. Most of the players are breathing out their arse at this point. Coker gets the ball and then somehow beyond all comprehension has the energy to run full pelt the entire length of the pitch...only to get just inside their box and run straight into a defender and give the ball away.
Chelsea at home, 0-0 and he breaks through 1 on 1 with Cech in the 93rd minute, nobody in the ground expected him to score.
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If he was in this side we'd realise just how shit NRC is as there wouldn't be a Barry, Laursen, Milner, etc to help make him look a bit better. Mind you, I don't think he has a club at the moment so maybe we'll find out next season, assuming Milan don't snap him up first.
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Bye bye then Gana, Gueye or whatever you're called, you won't be remembered or missed.
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We'll get our money back on him I'd imagine. Can't say he's ever stood out to me in any game.
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We'll get our money back on him I'd imagine. Can't say he's ever stood out to me in any game.
Yeah, probably one of the very few we would get decent money for, so if that is his attitude then get him gone.
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I would think there is £20m+ to get from selling Gueye, Ayew, Traore & Richards, maybe made up to £25m by clearing out a few others for very small change. Doesn't sound a lot but if that's what we have and Lerner won't put his hand in his pocket we can at least replace the spine and have to manage the rest on loans and youngsters, plus those out on loan due back (GG, Bennett, Baker).
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It's his agent mouthing off, we've had this before
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Part of the worst ever Villa team. One down, at least another ten to go.
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He's shit anyway. Fuck all point in winning tackles if you can't do anything with the ball. And he's usually spent by 35 minutes. Another useless one dimensional mercenary.
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One of the better players this season but that's no great endorsement.
Good riddance, just hope we get the rest of them out as well.
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he said as he wa sjoining that we were a stepping stone to better things. Good luck with that.
In that case it's been the only bit of honesty from any of them all season
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He's second only to Kante for tackles made this season.
Unfortunately a lot of his tackles are his second touch because his first is like Gestede's.
And he never makes those tackles in the areas that matter either. Our backline has had no protection whatsoever.
How we don't have 10players in the top ten of tackles made or 1 at least top is beyond me....considering we never have the fucking football.
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He's got more names than goals and assists.
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He won't be missed. Too lightweight. He can beat a man unlike Westwood, but his recovery position is woeful, he does create or score.
He offers no threat and if we get what we aid for him, then meh.
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I'm still not quite sure what his real name is now so it will be impossible to remember him when he's gone. All I'll have in memory is how he generally performed for us. Inconsistent, infuriating and mostly shit.
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He was lined up with a club a couple of months ago, as long as he didn't get injured he was always going to leave at the end of the season, so in effective this is nothing new at all!
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Headless chicken. Goodbye Gueye, Gana or whatever the fuck your name is.
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Thierno Seydi, who also represents Didier Drogba, spoke to the Agence de Presse Sénégalaise and explained Gueye would need to leave for the sake of ‘his progression’.
He said: “Leaving will be logical between Idrissa and Aston Villa. Thankfully, he’s been one of the best signings this season, and has shown throughout the season he easily has the level for the Premier League.
“As gentlemen and people responsible, we’ll sit down around a table and find an agreement for sure. There are offers coming in because of the club’s situation, and they know it’s probably in their best interest to let him go.”
As for where Idrissa Gueye could go, there was briefly speculation surrounding a move to Marseille, but Thierno Seydi believes a new club in the Premier League or a move to Bundesliga is the most likely situation.
The 26-year-old has made 35 appearances in all competitions for Aston Villa this season, scoring one goal and picking up an assist in the process, and has earned 29 caps for Senegal in the past five years.
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Thierno Seydi, who also represents Didier Drogba, spoke to the Agence de Presse Sénégalaise and explained Gueye would need to leave for the sake of ‘his progression’.
He said: “Leaving will be logical between Idrissa and Aston Villa. Thankfully, he’s been one of the best signings this season, and has shown throughout the season he easily has the level for the Premier League.“As gentlemen and people responsible, we’ll sit down around a table and find an agreement for sure. There are offers coming in because of the club’s situation, and they know it’s probably in their best interest to let him go.”
As for where Idrissa Gueye could go, there was briefly speculation surrounding a move to Marseille, but Thierno Seydi believes a new club in the Premier League or a move to Bundesliga is the most likely situation.
The 26-year-old has made 35 appearances in all competitions for Aston Villa this season, scoring one goal and picking up an assist in the process, and has earned 29 caps for Senegal in the past five years.
Delusional.
Bye.
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Well at least this and okare is starting to kill the myth that's its only the English based players who are the problem. The foreign lot are just as much bad apples, just as shite and can join the rest of 'em out the door if we can find anyone daft enough to buy them
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The foreign lot.
This is all from his agent - not him, and Okore played through a serious knee injury to help us stay up last season. Conveniently forgotten and dubbed a bad apple.
Agents will stir up a move for a decent player, and no doubt a premier league side will likely buy Ayew, Gueye and Okore this summer.
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He's intercepted more passes than any player in the league, according to Whoscored. I'm sure you don't get that many interceptions without some kind of positional sense. Meanwhile, he's completed 85.5% of his passes (for reference, Kante is at 81.8%) and has been dispossessed on average once per game. That's hardly suggestive of someone who apparently chronically loses possession.
Okay, he's pretty abysmal when it comes to doing anything in the final third, but that was never his remit - he's a defensive midfielder, pure and simple, and I'm sure he'll look better in a team (maybe it's us) where he's not being required to get forward and create goals.
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The foreign lot.
This is all from his agent - not him, and Okore played through a serious knee injury to help us stay up last season. Conveniently forgotten and dubbed a bad apple.
Agents will stir up a move for a decent player, and no doubt a premier league side will likely buy Ayew, Gueye and Okore this summer.
That's the amazing thing. Mid to low-end teams tend to pick over the bones of those that are relegated. We have done it ourselves. Normally there is only 1 or 2 players worth a look. We get relegated with most likely only three wins to our name but there are 5 or 6 players that are easily good enough for mid table PL side - or better.
Seriously, how the fuck did we manage to be so bad?
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Bad owner. Bad CEO. Bad managers. Bad coaches.
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Pretty much Brian. The coaching aspect I look at and wonder what we are up too. Pearson at Leicester had 2 assistants but then had some first team specialist coaches and an Elmesthorpe coherent structure. We seem to have 3 at most over the last few years and very little specialism. I read Southampton target specialist coaches in the same way they research managers. Sounds entirely sensible to me.
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The foreign lot.
This is all from his agent - not him, and Okore played through a serious knee injury to help us stay up last season. Conveniently forgotten and dubbed a bad apple.
Agents will stir up a move for a decent player, and no doubt a premier league side will likely buy Ayew, Gueye and Okore this summer.
That's the amazing thing. Mid to low-end teams tend to pick over the bones of those that are relegated. We have done it ourselves. Normally there is only 1 or 2 players worth a look. We get relegated with most likely only three wins to our name but there are 5 or 6 players that are easily good enough for mid table PL side - or better.
Seriously, how the fuck did we manage to be so bad?
That's the whole point though isn't it. This season we've had 5 or 6 players (at the absolute maximum) who'd get into a mid table side. None would get into a top 8 side. The rest, either through attitude or ability aren't even good enough for the championship.
We sold quality and replaced it with mediocrity. We should have relaxed quality with quality, and the mediocre ones who were brought in should have replaced the ones we already knew from previous seasons were not good enough.
That was down to a combination of budget and policy from the top. As Brian has said, there may have been bad managers and bad coaches as well but they weren't the root cause of this mess.
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moreover we look like a team of individuals. All season we've failed to gel.
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Thierry Henry was bigging him up a few days ago, along with Kante, when talking about the players Arsenal used to sign.
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Thierry Henry was bigging him up a few days ago, along with Kante, when talking about the players Arsenal used to sign.
They can have him!
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Thierry Henry was bigging him up a few days ago, along with Kante, when talking about the players Arsenal used to sign.
They can have him!
I think he would be a decent player in a decent team
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Thierry Henry was bigging him up a few days ago, along with Kante, when talking about the players Arsenal used to sign.
They can have him!
I think he would be a decent player in a decent team
Everyone looks better in a team of good players. I particularly don't like how easily he gives up in games, almost petulantly at times. That's my biggest issue with him.
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They all give up to be fair
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They all give up to be fair
True.
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That's the amazing thing. Mid to low-end teams tend to pick over the bones of those that are relegated. We have done it ourselves. Normally there is only 1 or 2 players worth a look. We get relegated with most likely only three wins to our name but there are 5 or 6 players that are easily good enough for mid table PL side - or better.
Seriously, how the fuck did we manage to be so bad?
That's the whole point though isn't it. This season we've had 5 or 6 players (at the absolute maximum) who'd get into a mid table side. None would get into a top 8 side. The rest, either through attitude or ability aren't even good enough for the championship.
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Not really, no. The point I was making was that other teams have had far worse squad sheets than us yet we are the ones ending the season with only 3 victories. It was more a rhetorical question. It really takes some doing to go through a season, win only three games and still end up with 5 or 6 players that other teams will want.
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Having a handful of players who might reach the heights of mediocrity just confirms that we had the worst team/squad.
We didn't have an Allardyce or Pullis who could make a silk purse out of sows ear and we got deservedly relgated.
It really is that simple.
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Thierry Henry was bigging him up a few days ago, along with Kante, when talking about the players Arsenal used to sign.
They can have him!
I think he would be a decent player in a decent team
He reminds me of NRC. Decent at reading and breaking up play, pacey but then it all falls apart when he gets in final third, his shooting is utter woeful.
NRC was mainly a squad player in the relatively glory days under MON where he bizzarely played anywhere but central midfield after the first season so think Gana is of that standard.
He's someone we could probably still get decent money for, 5-6m so I'd let him go.
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Let him go for 5 or 6m and then what, though?
Where does that money go, what does it get us?
There's no way we can be flogging all of our players, we are going to have to keep some of them. Gueye is easily of the quality we will need to get out of this league. He's precisely the sort we should be holding on to. There's no point flogging the likes of him and using some of the cash to buy Championship dross just because that's where we are. Unless we fancy being the new Forest or Leeds, we are going to need as many players who are close to the best in their position in that league as we can get, otherwise we might as well just give up even trying.
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I agree. Unless it is for more than we paid, I would not let any of the "foreign lot" go depending of course on their release clauses.
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Getting back quickly means having better players than almost anyone else.
I personally would not piss on most of this bunch of ****** if they were on fire, and I have the lowest possible opinion of them after this season, but some of them are easily - easily - good enough to get us out of that league.
The trick is to hang on to as many of the ones we want as we can, whilst shipping out as many of those we do not as we can.
That's how Newcastle bounced back.
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Let him go for 5 or 6m and then what, though?
Where does that money go, what does it get us?
There's no way we can be flogging all of our players, we are going to have to keep some of them. Gueye is easily of the quality we will need to get out of this league. He's precisely the sort we should be holding on to. There's no point flogging the likes of him and using some of the cash to buy Championship dross just because that's where we are. Unless we fancy being the new Forest or Leeds, we are going to need as many players who are close to the best in their position in that league as we can get, otherwise we might as well just give up even trying.
Well we don't know what the budget is going to be, obviously with new owners we're in a better position to keep some of the better players as suddenly the club is a more positive place to be and we can look upwards again.
I never said get rid of them all, I'd keep Okore (looks like he's off), Ayew (as his quality would make a difference down there), Gestede (just for his record at Blackburn), Adama and Amavi. I'd also get Baker and Gardner back, particularly Gardner as he's been playing week in week out for Forest and I think he could do just as good a job as Westwood who I'd move on.
You have to remember Lerner has on average been giving out 20m net budgets for the last 3-4 years so with him wanting out what makes you think he's going to give a good transfer budget to a manager, if anything it would be cut to about 10m net so that's why we have to bring some money in.
It's inevitable anyway, when a team goes down it sells players, the key is to sell a couple and then re-invest. Hull sold James Chester for about 8m to WBA, keep most of their other main players and re-invested.
Let's remember this isn't the premier league anymore. You don't need to spend 50m to be top half (or bottom as the case may be). You can be in the top 6 or close to it (SHA) by barely spending anything, Brighton are up there with a good number of free transfers and loans. Probably why we're looking at a few managers with that sort of experience I'd say....
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I agree. Unless it is for more than we paid, I would not let any of the "foreign lot" go depending of course on their release clauses.
I agree, but if there is no takeover then they are the only ones we are likely to get any money for. I would like to see Gana and Ayew stay, but they are the only two likely to attract any real interest.
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Let him go for 5 or 6m and then what, though?
Where does that money go, what does it get us?
There's no way we can be flogging all of our players, we are going to have to keep some of them. Gueye is easily of the quality we will need to get out of this league. He's precisely the sort we should be holding on to. There's no point flogging the likes of him and using some of the cash to buy Championship dross just because that's where we are. Unless we fancy being the new Forest or Leeds, we are going to need as many players who are close to the best in their position in that league as we can get, otherwise we might as well just give up even trying.
Well we don't know what the budget is going to be, obviously with new owners we're in a better position to keep some of the better players as suddenly the club is a more positive place to be and we can look upwards again.
I never said get rid of them all, I'd keep Okore (looks like he's off), Ayew (as his quality would make a difference down there), Gestede (just for his record at Blackburn), Adama and Amavi. I'd also get Baker and Gardner back, particularly Gardner as he's been playing week in week out for Forest and I think he could do just as good a job as Westwood who I'd move on.
You have to remember Lerner has on average been giving out 20m net budgets for the last 3-4 years so with him wanting out what makes you think he's going to give a good transfer budget to a manager, if anything it would be cut to about 10m net so that's why we have to bring some money in.
It's inevitable anyway, when a team goes down it sells players, the key is to sell a couple and then re-invest. Hull sold James Chester for about 8m to WBA, keep most of their other main players and re-invested.
Let's remember this isn't the premier league anymore. You don't need to spend 50m to be top half (or bottom as the case may be). You can be in the top 6 or close to it (SHA) by barely spending anything, Brighton are up there with a good number of free transfers and loans. Probably why we're looking at a few managers with that sort of experience I'd say....
I can't see the logic whereby you'd keep Okore (arsey, made of glass, contributed next to nothing) but move Gueye (who has probably been our best player and managed to look like he at least cared) on.
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Is now the time for the definitive who will you keep/ let go/ buy if you were the new man and your budget is £10m before sales?
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You are right, he has been our best player, or one of them. He is still a member of a shit team mind. We need to get shot, the losing mentality of all of the regulars would be too much to carry.
I like him but I'd still sell, even at a small loss.
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Getting back quickly means having better players than almost anyone else.
I personally would not piss on most of this bunch of c***s if they were on fire, and I have the lowest possible opinion of them after this season, but some of them are easily - easily - good enough to get us out of that league.
The trick is to hang on to as many of the ones we want as we can, whilst shipping out as many of those we do not as we can.
That's how Newcastle bounced back.
This ^^
We need to keep as many of the decent players as we can like Newcastle did to bounce back
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Let him go for 5 or 6m and then what, though?
Where does that money go, what does it get us?
There's no way we can be flogging all of our players, we are going to have to keep some of them. Gueye is easily of the quality we will need to get out of this league. He's precisely the sort we should be holding on to. There's no point flogging the likes of him and using some of the cash to buy Championship dross just because that's where we are. Unless we fancy being the new Forest or Leeds, we are going to need as many players who are close to the best in their position in that league as we can get, otherwise we might as well just give up even trying.
Well we don't know what the budget is going to be, obviously with new owners we're in a better position to keep some of the better players as suddenly the club is a more positive place to be and we can look upwards again.
I never said get rid of them all, I'd keep Okore (looks like he's off), Ayew (as his quality would make a difference down there), Gestede (just for his record at Blackburn), Adama and Amavi. I'd also get Baker and Gardner back, particularly Gardner as he's been playing week in week out for Forest and I think he could do just as good a job as Westwood who I'd move on.
You have to remember Lerner has on average been giving out 20m net budgets for the last 3-4 years so with him wanting out what makes you think he's going to give a good transfer budget to a manager, if anything it would be cut to about 10m net so that's why we have to bring some money in.
It's inevitable anyway, when a team goes down it sells players, the key is to sell a couple and then re-invest. Hull sold James Chester for about 8m to WBA, keep most of their other main players and re-invested.
Let's remember this isn't the premier league anymore. You don't need to spend 50m to be top half (or bottom as the case may be). You can be in the top 6 or close to it (SHA) by barely spending anything, Brighton are up there with a good number of free transfers and loans. Probably why we're looking at a few managers with that sort of experience I'd say....
I can't see the logic whereby you'd keep Okore (arsey, made of glass, contributed next to nothing) but move Gueye (who has probably been our best player and managed to look like he at least cared) on.
I like Okore and would much rather have him as CB next year than Baker or Clark. Put him next to a no nonsense CB who knows the division and he'd be fine. Plus he only has 1 year left on his deal and if we sell this summer we'd only get peanuts for him.
With Gana it's a bit different for a few reasons. His agent came out the second we'd been relegated and said he'd be more likely to move on. I already remember his comments when he signed for us last summer, I don't think playing in the championship is on his agenda. It's alright keeping him but what will his attitude be like, we need players who want to play for us.
He's also part of yet another hopeless Villa midfield, Westwood, Gana, Veretout, Sanchez, Gil, Grealish, Adama. You'd of thought we could've constructed a decent villa midfield out of those options and it's been a disaster yet again, ever since Milner left tbh so I'd cut my losses on most of them.
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Idrissa Gana Gueye set to snub Marseille as Aston Villa midfielder seeks to extend stay in England
The 26-year-old midfielder has a £7.1m release clause in his contract
Marseille ready to make fresh move after missing out last summer
Aston Villa midfielder Idrissa Gana Gueye wants to stay in the Premier League despite continued interest from Marseille.
The 26-year-old has a release clause set at £7.1million and Marseille see him as a key recruit as they plan a summer rebuild.
They wanted to sign him from Lille last summer only to be pipped by big-spending Villa and have continued to keep in contact since January.
Idrissa Gana Gueye was a rare success during a desperately disappointing season at Aston Villa Gueye is represented by Mark McKay of ExcelFoot, who helped West Ham sign Dimitri Payet from Marseille, and wants to find another club in the Premier League following Villa's relegation.
Despite, Villa's disappointing season Gueye returned some impressive individual statistics particularly with interceptions and tackles, comparing favourably with Leicester City's N'Golo Kante.
Villa plan fresh talks with Roberto Di Matteo in the next 24 hours after David Moyes ruled himself out of the running for the managerial vacancy.
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That smells like another Agent planted story to me. I must have been going to completely different games to this fella all year as I am not sure how he has been a success. It just goes to show that statistics are not everything
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I think 7.1 million back on him won't be bad business at all. He cost what, 8.5? Not a huge loss financially, looked a decent player but we need people ready for the battle and I think it is clear from the 2-3 stories already since relegation that he has told his agent to get him a move. Good luck to him, get the money and use it on a couple of energetic hard working midfielders ready for the Championship.
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Yep, would be fine if we get the full release clause. Good player, would have been an asset in the Championship, but honestly, I think even Sanchez would be fine there for us: more physical battles which suits him, and his major weakness, the tendency to make fuck-ups on the ball isn't going to be punished the way it does in the PL. Use that money on a good centre-half
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Hang on to him at whatever cost.
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That smells like another Agent planted story to me. I must have been going to completely different games to this fella all year as I am not sure how he has been a success. It just goes to show that statistics are not everything
If ever you want to disprove the importance of statistics, you could use Gana. Whilst he's been one of our better players this season he's still been mostly poor and his season as a whole rates as a 5/10 at best. He might have a few decent stats that compare to Kante, but seeing him during games is different to something written down by Opta. The two players are leagues apart in terms of quality and impact on games. Gana isn't even a drip of stray piss on Kantes boots.
Someone can trigger the release claus and we'll cash in. I don't think he'll want to stay around at all. Ayew will go too, and I'll be much more upset about that.
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I bet if Gana won the ball and could give it more competent players he'd look a lot better and we'd have a better opinion of him. Yes Kante has been very good, but he's alos played in a very settled and confident system with players around him at the height of their game. By comparison Gana while he might have similar stats has suffered personally from the players around him being poor and in turn it has made him look worse than he probably is.
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He is a strange one. He can look good, and his stats are impressive, but Kante makes blocks and interceptions and tackle in really key moments and areas, whereas Gana I think was always more on the periphery of the play. Maybe he will move and show we have missed out. Kante looks like he wants it more than Gana though.
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I bet if Gana won the ball and could give it more competent players he'd look a lot better and we'd have a better opinion of him. Yes Kante has been very good, but he's alos played in a very settled and confident system with players around him at the height of their game. By comparison Gana while he might have similar stats has suffered personally from the players around him being poor and in turn it has made him look worse than he probably is.
Or better? Best of a bad bunch type scenario maybe? I like him, but think for 7.1m there are other areas of the team that need work and he wants out.
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I bet if Gana won the ball and could give it more competent players he'd look a lot better and we'd have a better opinion of him. Yes Kante has been very good, but he's alos played in a very settled and confident system with players around him at the height of their game. By comparison Gana while he might have similar stats has suffered personally from the players around him being poor and in turn it has made him look worse than he probably is.
Or better? Best of a bad bunch type scenario maybe? I like him, but think for 7.1m there are other areas of the team that need work and he wants out.
I just think that there are players that were crushed by everything that happened last season and when they do leave we will see them approach what we thought we were getting when we signed them, but at their new club. I would throw Veretout in there for sure, Ayew is better than he showed and he was the best of all of them. What happened last season is simply mind blowing when you consider how fast everything just crumbled to the ground and the immense damage that was done. I cannot begin to imagine how poisonous it was in that dressing room, in training and then how many those players most affected by it reacted when among their friends. It would have consumed them mentally and it only got worse as the season went on.
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I bet if Gana won the ball and could give it more competent players he'd look a lot better and we'd have a better opinion of him. Yes Kante has been very good, but he's alos played in a very settled and confident system with players around him at the height of their game. By comparison Gana while he might have similar stats has suffered personally from the players around him being poor and in turn it has made him look worse than he probably is.
That was my impression too. He breaks up play and looks to play quick one-two's and then move the play on. Due to not having the players around him, he had a tendency to go on too far and lose the ball or make a wayward pass as no one was available for the simple ball.
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It is only now that we can see just what the open warfare in the dressing room last season did to the performances of the players. Whoever gets our better players, Gana included, will get much more out of them than we did. As you say TV they crumbled at such a rate it was breathtaking. Like many, the first hint of us falling into the void was the team put out by KMac at Spurs which was clear and open rejection of the new summer players.
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I like Gana. The release clause seems unlikely. Why would you sign a player and have a release clause that meant he would go for less than you paid? So even if he'd been the next Patrick Vieira we would've made a loss on him... I don't think even we would be that stupid. Unless the release clause only kicks in with relegation.
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Unless the release clause only kicks in with relegation.
Think that's the important bit probably.
I can't say I'll lose any sleep when he goes. He was average last season and I think he gave up in a lot of games.
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Hopefully if someone meets the release fee, someone else will bid more to get a bidding war started.
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I won't lose any sleep over any of them going tbh, including Gana.
The only frustration will be never having seen what Traore could've done.
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I like Gana. The release clause seems unlikely. Why would you sign a player and have a release clause that meant he would go for less than you paid? So even if he'd been the next Patrick Vieira we would've made a loss on him... I don't think even we would be that stupid. Unless the release clause only kicks in with relegation.
It might be a relegation release clause. If we were still in the Prem, his release clause might have been double that.
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He didnt exactly set the world alight.
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I like Gana. The release clause seems unlikely. Why would you sign a player and have a release clause that meant he would go for less than you paid? So even if he'd been the next Patrick Vieira we would've made a loss on him... I don't think even we would be that stupid. Unless the release clause only kicks in with relegation.
It might be a relegation release clause. If we were still in the Prem, his release clause might have been double that.
Or more likely, non-existant.
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I think when players with a decent reputation come to a side that had scraped survival for the last 4 years their agents will insist on relegation release clauses. The one i hope is not stupidly low is Amavi.
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7m isn't too bad considering we signed him for about 9m.
Don't forget some of these players have played significant parts in one of the worst performing top division teams for a pretty long time, I don't think that really increases value.
5m for Clark, 7m for Gana and Ayew I think will go for 8m so that's 20m.
If the Dr gives 20m then that's 40m budget for championship.
Something would be seriously wrong if we can't challenge for top 2 with that budget.
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£7.1m? SELL SELL SELL
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He's one of the last of this rabble i'd be in any rush to kick out the door. I think we have far more pressing concerns with regards players we need to shift
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He does good bits, but he's work off the ball is awful.
I would get rid of both him and Sanchez, neither of whom are adequate to play the defensively role properly.
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Leave Sanchez alone please. He has easily the best hair at the club and must be retained whatever the cost.
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How do these clauses work? Presumably there is a trigger than if we're relegated the players' wages drops and a corresponding release clause becomes available. If we did not trigger the wage drop, would the player's value be dictated by market forces?
I think it is bonkers that the values are below what we bought them for, as we would always be able to sell them for less.
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How do these clauses work? Presumably there is a trigger than if we're relegated the players' wages drops and a corresponding release clause becomes available. If we did not trigger the wage drop, would the player's value be dictated by market forces?
The bit at the top is correct.
On the second part, it's not really a case of not triggering the wage drop, it just happens - it's a part of the contract that both parties agreed to.
If the club wanted to offer a new contract with the original, higher wages and a different release clause then there's nothing to stop them. The player will either sign it or not, depending on what he feels will benefit him more.
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Hopefully if someone meets the release fee, someone else will bid more to get a bidding war started.
Won't happen. Both clubs would meet the release fee and no more. The bidding war becomes how much gold either can shove down the player's and agent's throats.
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Hopefully if someone meets the release fee, someone else will bid more to get a bidding war started.
Won't happen. Both clubs would meet the release fee and no more. The bidding war becomes how much gold either can shove down the player's and agent's throats.
Everyone knows, it's a running joke on here because of comments about it when the clauses for Benteke and Delph were made public.
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Hopefully if someone meets the release fee, someone else will bid more to get a bidding war started.
Won't happen. Both clubs would meet the release fee and no more. The bidding war becomes how much gold either can shove down the player's and agent's throats.
Thanks for clearing that up ;-)
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Hopefully if someone meets the release fee, someone else will bid more to get a bidding war started.
Won't happen. Both clubs would meet the release fee and no more. The bidding war becomes how much gold either can shove down the player's and agent's throats.
Thanks for clearing that up ;-)
Just wait until MON gets back into club football.
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Hopefully if someone meets the release fee, someone else will bid more to get a bidding war started.
Won't happen. Both clubs would meet the release fee and no more. The bidding war becomes how much gold either can shove down the player's and agent's throats.
Thanks for clearing that up ;-)
Just wait until MON gets back into club football.
Id try and desperately hang on to Gueye, Ayew, Vertoute, Amavi. They've all had a year under their belt of english football now (except Amavi) in what was a horrendous season under 3 managers. Still reckon all 4 are more than decent players and we will do well to attract much better in the Championship..
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Hopefully if someone meets the release fee, someone else will bid more to get a bidding war started.
Won't happen. Both clubs would meet the release fee and no more. The bidding war becomes how much gold either can shove down the player's and agent's throats.
Thanks for clearing that up ;-)
Just wait until MON gets back into club football.
Id try and desperately hang on to Gueye, Ayew, Vertoute, Amavi. They've all had a year under their belt of english football now (except Amavi) in what was a horrendous season under 3 managers. Still reckon all 4 are more than decent players and we will do well to attract much better in the Championship..
New owner and manager have got to sell it to them. They are all pretty young and hopefully if will be only one year of their careers outside the top flight. After that they will be back in top flight football at a club hopefully going places.
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Everton have met his release clause apparently.
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No big loss. Looked promising initially and then was terrible thereafter.
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No big loss. Looked promising initially and then was terrible thereafter.
There was that through ball he played against Man City in the cup, Oh wait...
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His tackling is okay. His passing, on the other hand, is dreadful. I won't miss him.
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im worried if he leaves
that will mean we only have 5 midfielders who all do the same thing
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He'd be one of the players i'd rather keep, but i'm not fussed. If we replace him
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Shame but good. looked more like one of the individuals than a team member last season - not necessarily his fault - but I think we need to move him on, get some money and spend it where needed. I still think we need a lot of work done to the midfield before we are a functioning unit and the likes of Gana, maybe Veretout, Gil (gone), Sanchez, Sinclair etc are part of that midfield misfit.
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Seems strange Xia bragged about how much money we were going to spend and yet he's operating a sell to buy policy......
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Seems strange Xia bragged about how much money we were going to spend and yet he's operating a sell to buy policy......
Says who? Everton have met his release clause, we haven't been hawking him around.
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Seems strange Xia bragged about how much money we were going to spend and yet he's operating a sell to buy policy......
No, what's happening is that the previous ownership put a non-profit making release clause in Gueye's contract and another club reached that valuation. He'd remain a Villa player were it not for that.
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Seems strange Xia bragged about how much money we were going to spend and yet he's operating a sell to buy policy......
Or it's common sense when your squad is too big to shift some players. As a second division club should we just not care how many players we are paying each week?
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He's not. Di Matteo wants to shift players out of the squad so he can see what we have and then can add to it. It doesn't mean that we've stopped negtiating transfers but spending the next few days concentrating on shifting some out to free up space. Nothing really untoward in that.
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Seems strange Xia bragged about how much money we were going to spend and yet he's operating a sell to buy policy......
Shock horror you arrive with negativity. We've bought players without selling any so far, but first player we sell and it's the sell to buy line. Were you expecting to keep the whole squad this year? Oh and it's an activated release clause.
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Wyness has just said on Twitter that we do not welcome any interest in this player.
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Not a huge surprise, given he chose to join us over Southampton. Guess Koeman still fancied him.
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Wyness has just said on Twitter that we do not welcome any interest in this player.
Welcome? Implies that the clause, if it exists, has not been met.
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Obviously what we should be doing is, for example, buy another striker for say £10-15m without worrying that we already have Gabbby, Rudy, Ayew, RHM, Kozak and even Sinclair. It's not like having too many players has caused the club any problems recently.
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Seems strange Xia bragged about how much money we were going to spend and yet he's operating a sell to buy policy......
But he's not but thanks for today's slice of misery anyway.
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Seems strange Xia bragged about how much money we were going to spend and yet he's operating a sell to buy policy......
Shock horror you arrive with negativity. We've bought players without selling any so far, but first player we sell and it's the sell to buy line. Were you expecting to keep the whole squad this year? Oh and it's an activated release clause.
The bottom line is that our squad is still far from good enough with just over a week before the season starts. Lerner and even Ellis would be getting it in the neck with this amount of inaction.
I dont trust Xia at all. If the money was there, you would strengthen first and sell at the same time.
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Seems strange Xia bragged about how much money we were going to spend and yet he's operating a sell to buy policy......
Shock horror you arrive with negativity. We've bought players without selling any so far, but first player we sell and it's the sell to buy line. Were you expecting to keep the whole squad this year? Oh and it's an activated release clause.
The bottom line is that our squad is still far from good enough with just over a week before the season starts. Lerner and even Ellis would be getting it in the neck with this amount of inaction.
I dont trust Xia at all. If the money was there, you would strengthen first and sell at the same time.
No you wouldn't , because this is real life and not the playstation.
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Seems strange Xia bragged about how much money we were going to spend and yet he's operating a sell to buy policy......
Shock horror you arrive with negativity. We've bought players without selling any so far, but first player we sell and it's the sell to buy line. Were you expecting to keep the whole squad this year? Oh and it's an activated release clause.
The bottom line is that our squad is still far from good enough with just over a week before the season starts. Lerner and even Ellis would be getting it in the neck with this amount of inaction.
I dont trust Xia at all. If the money was there, you would strengthen first and sell at the same time.
How do you know we're not trying to do that? Why is your default position to assume the worse?
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Seems strange Xia bragged about how much money we were going to spend and yet he's operating a sell to buy policy......
Shock horror you arrive with negativity. We've bought players without selling any so far, but first player we sell and it's the sell to buy line. Were you expecting to keep the whole squad this year? Oh and it's an activated release clause.
The bottom line is that our squad is still far from good enough with just over a week before the season starts. Lerner and even Ellis would be getting it in the neck with this amount of inaction.
I dont trust Xia at all. If the money was there, you would strengthen first and sell at the same time.
We've bought three, how many have we sold?
Genuine question.
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Is that what we did, bought three players and now start shifting them out?
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If promotion is the targer, then much more should have been done by now. This team as it stands will be a mediocre mid table side. Hardly world domination material is it.
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You're only annoyed because we're winning.
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How much is his release clause?
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If promotion is the targer, then much more should have been done by now. This team as it stands will be a mediocre mid table side. Hardly world domination material is it.
I'll repeat, how many players should we be paying as a second division club?
We currently have 4 keepers, 5 strikers, 3LB, 5CB, 3RB and so on, plus all the kids like Lyden, RHM, Green etc. Do you not think we need to shift some players before we being more in?
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If promotion is the targer, then much more should have been done by now. This team as it stands will be a mediocre mid table side. Hardly world domination material is it.
Do you get a kick out of your relentless barrage of negativity? You are right in that there is still a bit to do in the window and ideally you would want players in and settled before the first game. But we've been sliding into the shit for the last six years. Did you seriously expect it would all be sorted in a matter of weeks?
The board are open with us (much more than Lerner ever was) and we have a competent management and coaching team who have good experience in this division. Sadly it seems whatever the club do, its never good enough for you is it?
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If promotion is the targer, then much more should have been done by now. This team as it stands will be a mediocre mid table side. Hardly world domination material is it.
I'll repeat, how many players should we be paying as a second division club?
We currently have 4 keepers, 5 strikers, 3LB, 5CB, 3RB and so on, plus all the kids like Lyden, RHM, Green etc. Do you not think we need to shift some players before we being more in?
Careful you're applying logic there.
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If promotion is the targer, then much more should have been done by now. This team as it stands will be a mediocre mid table side. Hardly world domination material is it.
I'll repeat, how many players should we be paying as a second division club?
We currently have 4 keepers, 5 strikers, 3LB, 5CB, 3RB and so on, plus all the kids like Lyden, RHM, Green etc. Do you not think we need to shift some players before we being more in?
Just to add, Bolton had 33 players last season, and they really benefited from that........
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Er, if Gana has a release clause, why has Wyness tweeted that the club doesn't welcome any interest in the player? Confused!
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How much is his release clause?
Whose, LTA's or Gana's?
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Er, if Gana has a release clause, why has Wyness tweeted that the club doesn't welcome any interest in the player? Confused!
It could be that the club doesn't welcome any interest in the player. Just a wild guess.
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As I linked on another thread, we have 29 genuine first team players in the squad right now and then 3-4 youth players who will play their part this season, that's at least 4-5 too many so shifting some players out is the priority now to try to generate some squad harmony.
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Now now Percy, be reasonable! If the player has a clause, we can't control the transfer.
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How much is his release clause?
£7.2m is the figure being mentioned.
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Seems strange Xia bragged about how much money we were going to spend and yet he's operating a sell to buy policy......
Shock horror you arrive with negativity. We've bought players without selling any so far, but first player we sell and it's the sell to buy line. Were you expecting to keep the whole squad this year? Oh and it's an activated release clause.
The bottom line is that our squad is still far from good enough with just over a week before the season starts. Lerner and even Ellis would be getting it in the neck with this amount of inaction.
I dont trust Xia at all. If the money was there, you would strengthen first and sell at the same time.
I'm afraid the linear, unidirectional nature of time as we experience it makes this impossible. You can't have one event happen first and another one at the same time.
The first event being, well first, dictates that a further event must occur second.
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We're pretty light in CM if Gana goes, Sanchez and Veretout are halfway out the door aswell although have a feeling one of them will stay.
We need much more in that area if we want promotion imo.
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Hit me with a shitty stick, but I wonder that with a bit of repositioning of some of our players, we may not be too far off?
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Seems strange Xia bragged about how much money we were going to spend and yet he's operating a sell to buy policy......
Shock horror you arrive with negativity. We've bought players without selling any so far, but first player we sell and it's the sell to buy line. Were you expecting to keep the whole squad this year? Oh and it's an activated release clause.
The bottom line is that our squad is still far from good enough with just over a week before the season starts. Lerner and even Ellis would be getting it in the neck with this amount of inaction.
I dont trust Xia at all. If the money was there, you would strengthen first and sell at the same time.
I'm afraid the linear, unidirectional nature of time as we experience it makes this impossible. You can't have one event happen first and another one at the same time.
The first event being, well first, dictates that a further event must occur second.
It would be typical of us not to be exploring the possibilities of pan-dimensional transfer activity. I bet Newcastle do.
West Brom no doubt led the way.
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I think Gregg Evans and co should fall on their pens if this clause is a figment of their imaginations, strange tweet from Wyness if the clause does exist.
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We're pretty light in CM if Gana goes, Sanchez and Veretout are halfway out the door aswell although have a feeling one of them will stay.
We need much more in that area if we want promotion imo.
Agree completely, but I'm pretty sure that we'll address it. It's just we need to clear the decks first. If we sign all the players we want without selling some first it could be a financial disaster.
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Now now Percy, be reasonable! If the player has a clause, we can't control the transfer.
I know, but it doesn't mean we welcome the interest. Do you think we welcomed the interest in Benteke or Delph?
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Now now Percy, be reasonable! If the player has a clause, we can't control the transfer.
I know, but it doesn't mean we welcome the interest. Do you think we welcomed the interest in Benteke or Delph?
Good point Percy, but the tweet just seems a tad naive if there is a clause.
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Er, if Gana has a release clause, why has Wyness tweeted that the club doesn't welcome any interest in the player? Confused!
If theres a release clause and its been met then it doesnt make any differnce what Xia or Wyness say. There's nothing the club can do, so why give people false hope?
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Er, if Gana has a release clause, why has Wyness tweeted that the club doesn't welcome any interest in the player? Confused!
If theres a release clause and its been met then it doesnt make any differnce what Xia or Wyness say. There's nothing the club can do, so why give people false hope?
So what are you saying? The chairman and CEO are liars?
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We're pretty light in CM if Gana goes, Sanchez and Veretout are halfway out the door
I suggest we move Gabby into midfield to make it less light.
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bye bye Idrissa. we'll take the money ta. I'd have thought there's better players out there at PL level but we won't exactly miss him.
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He's bobbins. get rid
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He'll probably do pretty well under Koeman.
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Reckon Everton will be turning on a decent profit for him in a season or two.
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Seems strange Xia bragged about how much money we were going to spend and yet he's operating a sell to buy policy......
Sell to make room to buy, surely?
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why would he play championship football when he can go back to the premier league?
He will be gone, just hope that we are not going to be using Westwood and Sanchez as our midfield duo, hopefully RDM will have a better plan than that.
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He will provide a useful presence in the Everton midfield winning the ball and giving it to those who can play.Koeman knows what he wants from his players and Gueye fits into his system.
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we've been criminally weak in midfield for years so I'm hoping tnat if he goes RDM has one or two lined up immediately
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Now now Percy, be reasonable! If the player has a clause, we can't control the transfer.
I know, but it doesn't mean we welcome the interest. Do you think we welcomed the interest in Benteke or Delph?
Good point Percy, but the tweet just seems a tad naive if there is a clause.
Maybe - in an attempt at reverse psychology - Wyness has deliberately drawing attention to the sale of Gana because no one has yet met the buy-out clause value ...
... Just tryin to make sense of this!
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Tone has said the clause has been met, by several clubs. Down to Gana, Idrissa and Gueye now.
I'm not sure he's even as good as Reo-Coker.
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If we had a half decent side he wouldn't have looked as good.
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If we had a half decent side he wouldn't have looked as good.
I think he'll do very well in a decent side and it's a shame to lose him.
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I think Gregg Evans and co should fall on their pens if this clause is a figment of their imaginations, strange tweet from Wyness if the clause does exist.
I'd like Gregg Evans to fall on his pen regardless.
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Tone has said the clause has been met, by several clubs. Down to Gana, Idrissa and Gueye now.
I'm not sure he's even as good as Reo-Coker.
Great, let the bidding war commence ;) **
(** do I really need the winking emoticon thingy here or are we all up to speed now with the 2016 version of "why didn't Barry take the penalty"?)
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Seems strange Xia bragged about how much money we were going to spend and yet he's operating a sell to buy policy......
Shock horror you arrive with negativity. We've bought players without selling any so far, but first player we sell and it's the sell to buy line. Were you expecting to keep the whole squad this year? Oh and it's an activated release clause.
The bottom line is that our squad is still far from good enough with just over a week before the season starts. Lerner and even Ellis would be getting it in the neck with this amount of inaction.
I dont trust Xia at all. If the money was there, you would strengthen first and sell at the same time.
I'm afraid the linear, unidirectional nature of time as we experience it makes this impossible. You can't have one event happen first and another one at the same time.
The first event being, well first, dictates that a further event must occur second.
It would be typical of us not to be exploring the possibilities of pan-dimensional transfer activity. I bet Newcastle do.
West Brom no doubt led the way.
Whilst it is fun to take the piss out of LTA's constant negativity, I think it's fair enough to be dissapointed in our activity to date. IF Tony has the wealth we hoped then the absolute priority would surely have been to build a team capable of promotion, regardless of squad size. And of course you can try to shift players whilst you are doing so.
I totally understand the issue of having too many players and associated financial difficulties, I had just hoped that Tony would have broad enough shoulders to carry the surplus costs if absolutely necessary. He clearly hasn't, which is fair enough. But being dissapointed that this close to the season starting we have, on the face of it, a pretty shit squad seems to me to be a perfectly reasonable emotion.
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It's not just finances though Chris. Having non-contributing players, a bomb squad, has a negative impact on the whole club; exhausting the coaches' time, setting a low bar for commitment in training, moaning to younger/impressionable players etc, basically parasites.
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I wish they would Just get the ones gone who are going, nobody has pulled up any trees from last season and this lad flattered to deceive after a promising start.
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It's not just finances though Chris. Having non-contributing players, a bomb squad, has a negative impact on the whole club; exhausting the coaches' time, setting a low bar for commitment in training, moaning to younger/impressionable players etc, basically parasites.
I appreciate the bomb squad isn't a great idea. But IF you can afford it then I'm sure it's workable without too much disruption to the main squad. The lesser of two evils - having a shit squad incapable of promotion or having a decent squad but oversized and carrying a few surplus players? I know which I would choose, but again I appreciate this pre-supposes you have the finances to carry it off - which I had hoped Tony would have.
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I think we should remember the transfer window doesn't end until 31st August. I'm expecting 3 more players to walk through the door, and more players to leave. Sure we'd like all of this to happen before the first league game, but it rarely does, not for any team. That's why there is usually a mad scramble on the last day of the window.
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Tone has said the clause has been met, by several clubs. Down to Gana, Idrissa and Gueye now.
I'm not sure he's even as good as Reo-Coker.
Great, let the bidding war commence ;) **
(** do I really need the winking emoticon thingy here or are we all up to speed now with the 2016 version of "why didn't Barry take the penalty"?)
I think it's a well established H&V trope. Just lay it out there and let the n00bs show themselves up.
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*wink*
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There's a lot of journalists and bloggers saying that Gana's Stats are comparable to Kante last season. For me, this is where stats are utterly misleading. Positionally the two players are in a completely different league. Kante knew when to press and when to sit and when breaking play his distribution was exceptional.
Gana / Gueye's distribution bordered on dreadful, the amount of times he gave it away and took up poor areas on the pitch I don't think it's as simple as "he was in a poor team". I think sitting in front of the back four he will do a job there but if they think they're getting a more mobile and younger Gareth Barry they might be a tad disappointed.
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I wouldn't be sad to see him go, I think he's OK nothing more, I was at Telford in the friemdly he was hopeless, couldn't even control the ball
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I had high expectations when he first arrived and seemed capable of replacing the snake, so I've been more disappointed that he's failed to meet expectations than disappointed in the fact that he's actually just a bit shit. Fuck him off.
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It's not just finances though Chris. Having non-contributing players, a bomb squad, has a negative impact on the whole club; exhausting the coaches' time, setting a low bar for commitment in training, moaning to younger/impressionable players etc, basically parasites.
I appreciate the bomb squad isn't a great idea. But IF you can afford it then I'm sure it's workable without too much disruption to the main squad. The lesser of two evils - having a shit squad incapable of promotion or having a decent squad but oversized and carrying a few surplus players? I know which I would choose, but again I appreciate this pre-supposes you have the finances to carry it off - which I had hoped Tony would have.
It's workable in as much as you can have one. It's inpracticable in the sense that those players would speak to other players and may infect the training ground with the negativity of their position.
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It's not just finances though Chris. Having non-contributing players, a bomb squad, has a negative impact on the whole club; exhausting the coaches' time, setting a low bar for commitment in training, moaning to younger/impressionable players etc, basically parasites.
I appreciate the bomb squad isn't a great idea. But IF you can afford it then I'm sure it's workable without too much disruption to the main squad. The lesser of two evils - having a shit squad incapable of promotion or having a decent squad but oversized and carrying a few surplus players? I know which I would choose, but again I appreciate this pre-supposes you have the finances to carry it off - which I had hoped Tony would have.
It's workable in as much as you can have one. It's inpracticable in the sense that those players would speak to other players and may infect the training ground with the negativity of their position.
It's also not the best advert for potential new signings that we were trying to convince to join us.
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There's a lot of journalists and bloggers saying that Gana's Stats are comparable to Kante last season. For me, this is where stats are utterly misleading. Positionally the two players are in a completely different league. Kante knew when to press and when to sit and when breaking play his distribution was exceptional.
Gana / Gueye's distribution bordered on dreadful, the amount of times he gave it away and took up poor areas on the pitch I don't think it's as simple as "he was in a poor team". I think sitting in front of the back four he will do a job there but if they think they're getting a more mobile and younger Gareth Barry they might be a tad disappointed.
Gana completed more passes, at a higher percentage. I bet the only reason his distribution might look less exceptional is because of the players he was passing to. Obviously a pass looks better if it goes out to Mahrez who cuts in, beats a couple of defenders and belts it in, or if Vardy's footspeed means he gets to it.
It's not like back when we bought him, people were telling us about Gana's crap positioning either - I realise France is an inferior league, but that inferiority hasn't to do with the brilliant tactical awareness with which its teams play.
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It's not just finances though Chris. Having non-contributing players, a bomb squad, has a negative impact on the whole club; exhausting the coaches' time, setting a low bar for commitment in training, moaning to younger/impressionable players etc, basically parasites.
I appreciate the bomb squad isn't a great idea. But IF you can afford it then I'm sure it's workable without too much disruption to the main squad. The lesser of two evils - having a shit squad incapable of promotion or having a decent squad but oversized and carrying a few surplus players? I know which I would choose, but again I appreciate this pre-supposes you have the finances to carry it off - which I had hoped Tony would have.
It's workable in as much as you can have one. It's inpracticable in the sense that those players would speak to other players and may infect the training ground with the negativity of their position.
It's also not the best advert for potential new signings that we were trying to convince to join us.
Yes, I do get that. But ultimately the priority should surely be to build a winning team, whether we can shift surplus players or not? As it stands we're going to start our most important season in 20 years with a pretty shit squad. I understand the financial implications, I guess I was just hoping Tony would be flush enough to deal with it. I also realise that we have a few weeks left in this window, but we know well from experience that it can take some time for new players to settle.
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Tone has said the clause has been met, by several clubs. Down to Gana, Idrissa and Gueye now.
I'm not sure he's even as good as Reo-Coker.
Great, let the bidding war commence ;) **
(** do I really need the winking emoticon thingy here or are we all up to speed now with the 2016 version of "why didn't Barry take the penalty"?)
I think it's a well established H&V trope. Just lay it out there and let the n00bs show themselves up.
Have a look at Tom Ross' twitter feed for more of this.
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It's not just finances though Chris. Having non-contributing players, a bomb squad, has a negative impact on the whole club; exhausting the coaches' time, setting a low bar for commitment in training, moaning to younger/impressionable players etc, basically parasites.
I appreciate the bomb squad isn't a great idea. But IF you can afford it then I'm sure it's workable without too much disruption to the main squad. The lesser of two evils - having a shit squad incapable of promotion or having a decent squad but oversized and carrying a few surplus players? I know which I would choose, but again I appreciate this pre-supposes you have the finances to carry it off - which I had hoped Tony would have.
It's workable in as much as you can have one. It's inpracticable in the sense that those players would speak to other players and may infect the training ground with the negativity of their position.
It's also not the best advert for potential new signings that we were trying to convince to join us.
Yes, I do get that. But ultimately the priority should surely be to build a winning team, whether we can shift surplus players or not? As it stands we're going to start our most important season in 20 years with a pretty shit squad. I understand the financial implications, I guess I was just hoping Tony would be flush enough to deal with it. I also realise that we have a few weeks left in this window, but we know well from experience that it can take some time for new players to settle.
The workable solution is to literally pay up the contracts of the key 'bad apples'. If the cash is there it is worth just getting rid of them however we're unlikely to do that until the window is shut in the hope that someone is daft enough to take over their wages. I suspect Gabby may be in this position and his injuries are just an easy excuse. Having him play, get roundly abused by the fans, will just demonstrate to any buyer that the player is a busted flush at Villa.
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It's not just finances though Chris. Having non-contributing players, a bomb squad, has a negative impact on the whole club; exhausting the coaches' time, setting a low bar for commitment in training, moaning to younger/impressionable players etc, basically parasites.
I appreciate the bomb squad isn't a great idea. But IF you can afford it then I'm sure it's workable without too much disruption to the main squad. The lesser of two evils - having a shit squad incapable of promotion or having a decent squad but oversized and carrying a few surplus players? I know which I would choose, but again I appreciate this pre-supposes you have the finances to carry it off - which I had hoped Tony would have.
It's workable in as much as you can have one. It's inpracticable in the sense that those players would speak to other players and may infect the training ground with the negativity of their position.
It's also not the best advert for potential new signings that we were trying to convince to join us.
Yes, I do get that. But ultimately the priority should surely be to build a winning team, whether we can shift surplus players or not? As it stands we're going to start our most important season in 20 years with a pretty shit squad. I understand the financial implications, I guess I was just hoping Tony would be flush enough to deal with it. I also realise that we have a few weeks left in this window, but we know well from experience that it can take some time for new players to settle.
The workable solution is to literally pay up the contracts of the key 'bad apples'. If the cash is there it is worth just getting rid of them however we're unlikely to do that until the window is shut in the hope that someone is daft enough to take over their wages. I suspect Gabby may be in this position and his injuries are just an easy excuse. Having him play, get roundly abused by the fans, will just demonstrate to any buyer that the player is a busted flush at Villa.
What about if we hurry up and get this India tie up done as soon as possible. Get them to train and play out there.
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How many players can we register in this division?
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Yes, I do get that. But ultimately the priority should surely be to build a winning team, whether we can shift surplus players or not? As it stands we're going to start our most important season in 20 years with a pretty shit squad. I understand the financial implications, I guess I was just hoping Tony would be flush enough to deal with it. I also realise that we have a few weeks left in this window, but we know well from experience that it can take some time for new players to settle.
While it's important we get back up, the priority for me is not to start doing the same mistakes that contributed to us being a second division club in the first place. Instead show we have people in charge that can actually run Aston Villa correctly. We've all seen what having a bomb squad and too many players can do to the club, I don't get why anyone would want us doing exactly the same thing again.
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Has anyone who's comparing Kante and Gueye watched Kante play? Physically stronger thAN Gueye, much faster than Gueye and better going forwards. His strength and speed are another notch above Gueyes.
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BBC are saying the release clause has been triggered at 7 million, yet we purchased him for 9 million.
Not that I'm bothered about him leaving, but surely that can't be right?
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Yes, I do get that. But ultimately the priority should surely be to build a winning team, whether we can shift surplus players or not? As it stands we're going to start our most important season in 20 years with a pretty shit squad. I understand the financial implications, I guess I was just hoping Tony would be flush enough to deal with it. I also realise that we have a few weeks left in this window, but we know well from experience that it can take some time for new players to settle.
While it's important we get back up, the priority for me is not to start doing the same mistakes that contributed to us being a second division club in the first place. Instead show we have people in charge that can actually run Aston Villa correctly. We've all seen what having a bomb squad and too many players can do to the club, I don't get why anyone would want us doing exactly the same thing again.
I don't want another bomb squad. I was just hoping Tony would have the financial means to assemble a squad with some sort of chance of promotion and dispose of unwanted players one way or another. I was hoping he would have the funds so we didn't need a one out-one in policy. It seems he hasn't, which is fair enough - although a bit at odds with his stated ambitions. It doesn't stop me being dissapointed at the current state of the squad. If we need a striker and have the funds to buy one, just go and buy the fucker and worry about Gabby etc afterwards.
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Worrying about it later is hardly the way to run a football club. Especially one that is in the second division, and is there partly because we worried about it later for a few years under the previous owner. If we signed another striker today we'd have 6 or 7 (depending on if you class Sinclair as a striker or wide player), how many PL clubs have that many never mind a second division club? There's a big difference between being ambitious and running the club badly.
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BBC are saying the release clause has been triggered at 7 million, yet we purchased him for 9 million.
Not that I'm bothered about him leaving, but surely that can't be right?
£7.1m seems a weirdly precise figure and I wondered if the original value might have been in Euro and worth less to us now than it might have been a month or so ago?
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Has anyone who's comparing Kante and Gueye watched Kante play? Physically stronger thAN Gueye, much faster than Gueye and better going forwards. His strength and speed are another notch above Gueyes.
I add close control and passing too. Kante quickly sets up attacks as well. Maybe with a year under his belt Gueye will become a better player, though I don't give a monkeys as he's not with us.
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Kante can also track back.
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Gana liked to collect stupid bookings, almost like he thought it proved he'd put effort in.
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He is a nothing player. I'm surprised that supposedly loaded Everton are targeting him.
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BBC are saying the release clause has been triggered at 7 million, yet we purchased him for 9 million.
Not that I'm bothered about him leaving, but surely that can't be right?
£7.1m seems a weirdly precise figure and I wondered if the original value might have been in Euro and worth less to us now than it might have been a month or so ago?
Wouldn't any release clause have dropped in line with any wage cut as part of his relegation clause.
I'll accept the wage cut, but it's got to be easier to for another club to get me.
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Is he off? Good, he was rubbish.
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Hopefully he'll be as successful as the last midfielder they had that played for us.
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Hopefully he'll be as successful as the last midfielder they had that played for us.
mmm... Everton sign a midfielder from us.. I know one of theirs that would do a fine job here... played here before too
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No, the last one wasn't signed from us...and as for Barry. i still don't want him back over the way he dragged us through the press to force a move. He can feck right off.
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I'd love Barry to come back, quality player.
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Hopefully he'll be as successful as the last midfielder they had that played for us.
mmm... Everton sign a midfielder from us...
Steve Watson?
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I'd love Barry to come back, quality player.
It would be the perfect signing for us.
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Hopefully he'll be as successful as the last midfielder they had that played for us.
mmm... Everton sign a midfielder from us...
Steve Watson?
Or are you classing Ginola as a midfielder?
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Me too.
If Andy Gray can come back after Asda-gate, then I think there's no reason why Barry couldn't !
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Hopefully he'll be as successful as the last midfielder they had that played for us.
mmm... Everton sign a midfielder from us...
Steve Watson?
Or are you classing Ginola as a midfielder?
Cleverly innit?
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Hopefully he'll be as successful as the last midfielder they had that played for us.
mmm... Everton sign a midfielder from us...
Steve Watson?
Or are you classing Ginola as a midfielder?
Cleverly innit?
Surely they technically signed him from Man U?
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Would love Barry to come back.
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Gareth Farrelly.
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Would love Barry to come back.
He can take the penalties (except when he doesn't)
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Gareth Farrelly.
his mom reckons he is good enough to get in the team (still)
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Would love Barry to come back.
He can take the penalties (except when he doesn't)
But why wouldn't he.....
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From Royal Blue Mersey, https://mobile.twitter.com/rbmersey, half an hour ago.
Gueye to take medical, finalize deal with Everton
The midfielder is in Merseyside to join the Toffees
Everton are close to making Aston Villa’s defensive midfielder Idrissa Gueye their second signing of the summer. According to ESPN FC, Gueye is in Merseyside to take a medical ahead of the move.
On Tuesday, it was reported that the Toffees had met the release clause in Gueye’s contract, costing themselves just north of £7 million, a relative bargain in today’s market. However, there looked to be competition from a few teams in France for Gueye’s signature. But it seems his preference is to stay in England’s top flight after Villa were relegated to the Championship back in May.
The 26-year-old will slot into the center of Everton’s midfield, competing for playing time with the likes of Mo Besic, Gareth Barry and James McCarthy.
It’s possible the new boy is an immediate starter for the Blues. As has been said previously, Gueye was a bright spot on an appalling Villa team, comparing favorably to former Leicester City star and recent Chelsea signing N’Golo Kante
There are two schools of thought on what this news means going forward:
1.Everton are no longer looking at players like Axel Witsel or William Carvalho; two men that would fill a similar role as Gueye but would cost three or four times as much to bring in.
2.This is just the beginning of a midfield overhaul. Barry is 35 years old. McCarthy’s form has slipped over the last year. Besic runs hot and cold and has an injury history. New blood is needed.
The smart money is on the former opinion. Everton are still (supposedly) in search of help at center back, right back, left wing, striker and possibly goalkeeper. So, having already secured a proven Premier League defensive midfielder, it would seem wise to spend elsewhere.
Gueye would be new manager Ronald Koeman’s second signing, joining former Fulham goalkeeper Maarten Stekelenburg. This has not been the summer of big spending like many supporters had envisioned, but that may soon change.
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Those miserable Everton fans will just love a midfield that includes Gana and Cleverley ,both give the ball away regularly
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Id rather have Barry than 7m.
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No, the last one wasn't signed from us...and as for Barry. i still don't want him back over the way he dragged us through the press to force a move. He can feck right off.
I respect Barry in the same way as I did Southgate, both wanted out which they are perfectly at liberty to want - when it didn't happen both had their best seasons for us....no sulking just got on with job like a pro!
Happily welcome him back
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No, the last one wasn't signed from us...and as for Barry. i still don't want him back over the way he dragged us through the press to force a move. He can feck right off.
I respect Barry in the same way as I did Southgate, both wanted out which they are perfectly at liberty to want - when it didn't happen both had their best seasons for us....no sulking just got on with job like a pro!
Happily welcome him back
The only thing that let Barry down was that ridiculous two paged article he agreed too do for the NOTW.
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heh. I notice they claim he was a bright spot in an appalling team. Wishful thinking there. He was shite just drew less attention to himself than others
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Those miserable Everton fans will just love a midfield that includes Gana and Cleverley ,both give the ball away regularly
I hope he brings the same drive and commitment to them. Those great fans deserve nothing less.
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Imagine if he had actually been any good and fulfilled his early promise, we would all be spitting feathers over the low release clause.
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I think he will do very well there. Time will see but it's a bit early to be smug about this I think.
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Hopefully he'll be as successful as the last midfielder they had that played for us.
mmm... Everton sign a midfielder from us...
Steve Watson?
Or are you classing Ginola as a midfielder?
Cleverly innit?
Surely they technically signed him from Man U?
I was on about Barry...missed the man city years...😦😦😦
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I don't think we're being smug, just realistic. He was totally anonymous the whole season so 7m for that seems a good deal.. He may find his feet but could just as likely continue in the same vein and personally i'd rather have the money rather than the worse case scenario of getting nothing for him in 12 months time. He's also going to be 27 in a month's time so if he intends to become a premier standard player he's leaving it a bit late...
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I liked what I saw of him. He wasn't a midfield maestro but it was his first season over here. Some players like Kante hit the ground running, some players like Gana take more time.
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I think quite the opposite, he looked decent at first, broke up play well, seemed to have a good engine and played the sensible ball, the longer the season went on he turned to shit.
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Meh, doesn't fell like a great loss to be honest. Ayew would
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gana was a headless chicken and part of the most lightweight central midfield i have seen in 40 years
stats my arse
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When we lose any player we need to keep in mind that whoever he is he was part of a team that accrued 17 points in a whole season.
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stats my arse
Whereas, stats are what drives Guess The Crowd.
Are you in again, OF? We start next week! :)
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When we lose any player we need to keep in mind that whoever he is he was part of a team that accrued 17 points in a whole season.
This particular one having contributed a whole one goal, against a League Two side, during that season.
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stats my arse
Whereas, stats are what drives Guess The Crowd.
Are you in again, OF? We start next week! :)
arr
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Only Villa could set a buyout clause for less than we paid for him!
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Only Villa could set a buyout clause for less than we paid for him!
It will be a co-efficient due to a year less on the contract and the fact we are relegated. His wages will have dropped x% due to relegation, therefore a release clause would be set at a similar level to allow him the opportunity to get back to the previous level of wages should it arise.
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He never looked like a £9 million pound player , maybe take off a digit and I was suprised he is nearly 27 , so get rid .
just a Yacouba Sylla MK2
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in fact in his first appearances for us, Sylla probably looked better
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I think you could be right Mr Underhill
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Sylla was, in my mind, the catalyst for one of the best runs of team performances we've had in years, with some exciting football and outstanding goals. Albeit four months and no more, but hey-ho.
Gueye's not come remotely close in terms of impact.
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I guess time will tell whether I'm the lone village idiot or whether Gana really actually was a decent player made to look shit by the situation he was in.
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I guess time will tell whether I'm the lone village idiot or whether Gana really actually was a decent player made to look shit by the situation he was in.
No, you're not alone. We're a pair of VIs, as we used to call them on Kingshurst.
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I guess time will tell whether I'm the lone village idiot or whether Gana really actually was a decent player made to look shit by the situation he was in.
No, you're not alone. We're a pair of VIs, as we used to call them on Kingshurst.
Im in this camp also - good player in a shit side
To be honest though I have thought that since day one about Westwood - I still think with the right mix around him he could be a player as good as Carrick
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Only Villa could set a buyout clause for less than we paid for him!
I'd imagine it would be higher if we were still in the PL, however much like his wages dropped as we got relegated so would his buyout clause.
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I think he's premier league quality for sure but I don't think he's top half material. I'm not too gutted he's going really.
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Late to thread so presumably this has been covered... but is it right that he has a release clause that's lower than what we paid for him a year ago? If so, surely the weakest bit of bargaining ever conducted by a football club.
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Late to thread so presumably this has been covered... but is it right that he has a release clause that's lower than what we paid for him a year ago? If so, surely the weakest bit of bargaining ever conducted by a football club.
It'll be linked to being relegated and his wages dropping.
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Hopefully he'll be as successful as the last midfielder they had that played for us.
mmm... Everton sign a midfielder from us...
Steve Watson?
Cleverley!
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Hopefully he'll be as successful as the last midfielder they had that played for us.
mmm... Everton sign a midfielder from us...
Steve Watson?
Or are you classing Ginola as a midfielder?
Cleverly innit?
Surely they technically signed him from Man U?
I didn't say signed from us...
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I think at £7m he will be a pretty solid signing for Everton. It's pretty low risk when compared with the current prices being banded about.
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Late to thread so presumably this has been covered... but is it right that he has a release clause that's lower than what we paid for him a year ago? If so, surely the weakest bit of bargaining ever conducted by a football club.
I'd imagine it would be higher if we were still in the PL, however much like his wages dropped as we were relegated, so would his buyout clause.
The same kind of thing that a lot of clubs do.
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lets see how much they like him when every shot goes 3 miles wide, and after good work winning the ball he gives it away. For me he was a better version of NRC. NRC was a better organiser of the huddle.
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I think the last full Villa game I watched - I forget which but probably the Norwich home match - Gueye managed to lose the ball every time he wrestled it away from one of the opposition players. I'm all for the arguments about statistics and how he was in a shit team and everything, but he couldn't pick a five yard pass with nobody near him. There are shedloads of tenacious midfielders who can do that so he won't be missed. Finding one who knows what to do with the ball once he's won it is the bigger issue.
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I think he's premier league quality for sure but I don't think he's top half material. I'm not too gutted he's going really.
I'm not too fussed about any of them going. As a kid I was gutted when Andy Gray went to Wolves and Tony Morley went to Albion. I'm not crying myself to sleep over any of last seasons lot.
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Only Villa could set a buyout clause for less than we paid for him!
I'd imagine it would be higher if we were still in the PL, however much like his wages dropped as we got relegated so would his buyout clause.
I'd also be amazed if we paid 9m all in one go to Lille, hardly any transfer is done like that as indeed him going to Everton will be in instalments.
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I think he's premier league quality for sure but I don't think he's top half material. I'm not too gutted he's going really.
I'm not too fussed about any of them going. As a kid I was gutted when Andy Gray went to Wolves and Tony Morley went to Albion. I'm not crying myself to sleep over any of last seasons lot.
Yep, I was disraught when Dwight Yorke went to Man. United but you get over these things as you get older.
In recent times the likes of Milner, Young and Benteke going have all been blows that have really hurt us...no chance Gana is in that category.
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Di Matteo has confirmed in the press conference today that he's going to be leaving btw.
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Di Matteo has confirmed in the press conference today that he's going to be leaving btw.
I think Wyness' tweet on Gana was pointless and looks a bit silly now. At least save it for when we've got a chance of keeping the player because they don't have a fairly low release clause.
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Only Villa could set a buyout clause for less than we paid for him!
I'd imagine it would be higher if we were still in the PL, however much like his wages dropped as we got relegated so would his buyout clause.
I'd also be amazed if we paid 9m all in one go to Lille, hardly any transfer is done like that as indeed him going to Everton will be in instalments.
What have you read which suggests that we paid it all upfront?
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I think the last full Villa game I watched - I forget which but probably the Norwich home match - Gueye managed to lose the ball every time he wrestled it away from one of the opposition players. I'm all for the arguments about statistics and how he was in a shit team and everything, but he couldn't pick a five yard pass with nobody near him. There are shedloads of tenacious midfielders who can do that so he won't be missed. Finding one who knows what to do with the ball once he's won it is the bigger issue.
See, this is the sort of post that bothers me with analysing Gana - although I don't mean to single you out, plenty of previous posts have been along this line. You know how you can verify such a claim as the one you made? You go to a website, and look at his pass completion stats, and one site has him completing 53 passes a game at 85.6%. That's a shitload of completed passes, and a perfectly decent completion rate for someone completely incapable of even the simplest pass.
I recognise perfectly well that pass completion doesn't indicate the overall quality of one's passing, in terms of progressiveness or under what sort of pressure they were made. But we're not arguing that far: we're simply talking about a claim that he apparently can't consistently complete simple ones.
I'd be far more accepting of the "stats are misleading" argument being parroted around re Gana if his stats were more modest, but the truth is, they're exceptional, or at least the ball-winning ones (tackles and interceptions are). I'm not saying exceptional stats make him an exceptional player, but at the very least a decent one. I mean, if it was so easy for a bog-standard midfielder to be second in the league in both categories, well, that's news to me, because it's never happened for.
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I initially felt pretty disappointed when this was announced. But then I watched more games at the start of the season (understandably?) where he looked good and also really put a shift in.
I'm not sure how I feel now, as people who watched Villa more than me are generally saying he is bobbins and the stats are telling a different story.
I'd probably prefer if he'd stay on the whole.
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Pass completion stats are misleading. In the case of three named man even more so. So I'd rip 'em up and use the one thing that strikes me about this player and that is, he's not as shit as Salifou was.
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He wants to go so let him go - I'm not losing too much sleep over us selling an integral part of our worst ever team!
We were so poor last season I can't say I would miss any of them other than Ayew, Amavi and Grealish to be honest
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Late to thread so presumably this has been covered... but is it right that he has a release clause that's lower than what we paid for him a year ago? If so, surely the weakest bit of bargaining ever conducted by a football club.
I'd imagine it would be higher if we were still in the PL, however much like his wages dropped as we were relegated, so would his buyout clause.
The same kind of thing that a lot of clubs do.
Ah yes that makes more sense. It's quite educational, this getting relegated.
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Di Matteo has confirmed in the press conference today that he's going to be leaving btw.
I think Wyness' tweet on Gana was pointless and looks a bit silly now. At least save it for when we've got a chance of keeping the player because they don't have a fairly low release clause.
It was probably said more from a "look, our hands are tied" perspective so as to try and reassure fans we are not intent on selling the family silver.
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Release clauses inserted into contracts by imperialist running dogs!
Dr. Tony Xia
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@Dr_TonyXia
Once someone has clause in contract, looks like being giving a chance to betray. Said staying one day and escaped the other day. D now G!
3:48 PM - 29 Jul 2016
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Di Matteo has confirmed in the press conference today that he's going to be leaving btw.
Blimey, not RDM as well.
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Release clauses inserted into contracts by imperialist running dogs!
Dr. Tony Xia
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@Dr_TonyXia
Once someone has clause in contract, looks like being giving a chance to betray. Said staying one day and escaped the other day. D now G!
3:48 PM - 29 Jul 2016
I want Tony to finish this tweet with 'For you Mr Gueye, there will be no tomorrow.'
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In a year he'll be yet another:
"Remember him?"
"Umm (wracks brain)...Oh yeah...he was shit."
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Idrissa No! We shall not let you go! Let him go!
Idrissa Oh! We have to let to you go! Is is so?
Beeelzebebub had his agent shaft us with
A release clause
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Statistics or no statistics in Gueye we are talking about a player who was an integral part of a team that finished rock bottom with 17 points. Factor in if you like the appalling managers and the poisonous squad, the reality is that not a single member of the 2015/16 regulars did enough to make themselves indispensable. Not even Ayew, Grealish or Amavi. It is Woodhall's Theorem at work. The less a player is seen to play, the higher his reputation in inverse proportion.
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According to SKY Sports News we are holding out for more money.
If he moves he will be on £45k a week
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He's also weak as piss for a defensive midfielder, gets muscled off the ball easily.
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According to SKY Sports News we are holding out for more money.
If he moves he will be on £45k a week
Bing bong would the Posters on the Christian Benteke thread please congregate at the Idrissa Gana release clause thread. That's Christian posters to the Idrissa thread. Bing Bong.
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According to SKY Sports News we are holding out for more money.
If he moves he will be on £45k a week
Bing bong would the Posters on the Christian Benteke thread please congregate at the Idrissa Gana release clause thread. That's Christian posters to the Idrissa thread. Bing Bong.
A bidding war you say?
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According to SKY Sports News we are holding out for more money.
If he moves he will be on £45k a week
Bing bong would the Posters on the Christian Benteke thread please congregate at the Idrissa Gana release clause thread. That's Christian posters to the Idrissa thread. Bing Bong.
A bidding war you say?
Now we will discover which club has the biggest war chest.
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The other consideration about Gueye is the he is a defensive, holding midfield. Gardner and Tish look perfectly capable of that role. What we need every bit as badly as we need a striker is a creative midfield player. A player who can thread a killer pass and convert the endless cross field passes into forward momentum and a goal threat. On the whole I would have liked Gueye to stay but I don't think he will be irreplaceable by any means.
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I love a bidding war for players with release clauses.
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The other consideration about Gueye is the he is a defensive, holding midfield. Gardner and Tish look perfectly capable of that role. What we need every bit as badly as we need a striker is a creative midfield player. A player who can thread a killer pass and convert the endless cross field passes into forward momentum and a goal threat. On the whole I would have liked Gueye to stay but I don't think he will be irreplaceable by any means.
The only players I'd be genuinely sad to see go would be Amavi, Ayew and Grealish.
The rest I range between indifference to contempt.
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Agree Lee, with a hankering after being able to see Traore run at Championship defenders.
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Agree Lee, with a hankering after being able to see Traore run at Championship defenders.
definately
i think he would be a beast playing straight through the middle, similar to lukaku.
with ayew playing off him
every defence in the league would shit it
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I wonder if Pep fancies a reunion - wasn't Adama at Barca when he was there?
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According to SKY Sports News we are holding out for more money.
If he moves he will be on £45k a week
Bing bong would the Posters on the Christian Benteke thread please congregate at the Idrissa Gana release clause thread. That's Christian posters to the Idrissa thread. Bing Bong.
A bidding war you say?
Gregg Evans thinks there will be one.
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Hope the claret and blues hold out for the highest bid.
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Perhaps there were relegation clauses in many players contracts that stipulated wages would be reduced and as compensation, release clauses added and these were activated immediately on relegation. Then when the new owner and management team came in they sat down and negotiated with certain players that wages would not be reduced and the original contract reinstated.
Perhaps Gana was one of these and this is why there is anger at Villa in that he has gone back on this and why there is talk of wanting more money for him on the basis that there is in effect no buy out clause and the media are using old facts about the clause. Also, perhaps Gana's agent is using it as a bit of a smoke screen with the media.
Obviously, this is total speculation.
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It's good speculation though, and the thought of a genuine bidding war is very exiting.
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Apparently the buy out clauses only exist up to the end of July.
I wonder if we intend to manufacture the situation so that they are in a legal limbo, but hey ho if you do want him we'll just call it circa 11/12 million, what's a couple of million to a club money awash? They get someone relatively cheaply, we get a price more agreeable without tge hassle of arbitration or legal methods.Especially if there's 3/4 clubs interested.
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The other consideration about Gueye is the he is a defensive, holding midfield. Gardner and Tish look perfectly capable of that role. What we need every bit as badly as we need a striker is a creative midfield player. A player who can thread a killer pass and convert the endless cross field passes into forward momentum and a goal threat. On the whole I would have liked Gueye to stay but I don't think he will be irreplaceable by any means.
that sounds like Veretout to me, Brian
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Hope the claret and blues hold out for the highest bid.
FFS
Its purple and blues
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Cobalt.
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Maroon
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I read on twitter that he was at Villa Park today, although that could be usual twitterbollox. Any idea if it's true/comments anyone?
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Saw a picture of him there, sat with Lescott.
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and they were more effective in that position
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Best game Lescott has had in ages to be fair.
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doesn't his buy out clause expire today?
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No it's the end of the window.
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doesn't his buy out clause expire today?
That's what I read yesterday
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Aston Villa boss Roberto Di Matteo expects Idrissa Gueye's move to Everton to be completed imminently, despite other interest.
The Toffees have triggered the midfielder's £7.1m release clause and he has been discussing terms with them this week.
Gueye's clause expires at the end of the transfer window but only Everton have made an official bid.
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Thanks for clearing that one up
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According to SKY Sports News we are holding out for more money.
If he moves he will be on £45k a week
Bing bong would the Posters on the Christian Benteke thread please congregate at the Idrissa Gana release clause thread. That's Christian posters to the Idrissa thread. Bing Bong.
A bidding war you say?
Gregg Evans thinks there will be one.
If ever on sentence could sum a know nothing idiot...
(Evans not you Risso.)
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The only bidding war could be if another club offers better personal terms to Gueye and he's stalling to consider his options. I still don't believe anyone thinks a bidding war can occur when a release clause has been triggered.
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Thanks for clearing that one up
Is it cleared up?
Unless somebody has seen his contract, who is to say which of the many variations is correct?
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Sorry Dave, I was being sarcastic
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Sorry Dave, I was being sarcastic
*nods*
My bad.
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Sorry Dave, I was being sarcastic
*nods*
My bad.
Not at all old boy, we can't read into these things on 'tinternet
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West Ham now in for the Big G
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I smell a bidding war!
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There will be a bidding war, but sadly over his wages.
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Whoever takes him off the wage bill is welcome to him. The interest in him smacks of Reilly style moneyball stat buying, but the old adage about Lies, dam lies and statistics holds true with Gana.
I don't care what the stats show he is not a very competent player at Premier League level, and if Everton or West Ham expect a player like Cante they are in for a disappointment.
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Whoever takes him off the wage bill is welcome to him. The interest in him smacks of Reilly style moneyball stat buying
*muffled screams into cushion*
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Whoever takes him off the wage bill is welcome to him. The interest in him smacks of Reilly style moneyball stat buying, but the old adage about Lies, dam lies and statistics holds true with Gana.
I don't care what the stats show he is not a very competent player at Premier League level, and if Everton or West Ham expect a player like Cante they are in for a disappointment.
Our biggest problem, for years, has been a lack of movement off the ball, so players have to hit hopeful passes, hold on to the ball for too long or turn and go backwards/sideways. Gana was a victim of that as much as anything else. His passing was nothing like as bad as some would have us believe, but when he tried to get us moving forward quickly he gave it away because he had no simple passes on. I don't know if he will be great for Everton/west ham but I wouldn't be surprised if he looks like a much better player.
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Shame he is leaving, but think he knows that his level could be higher than the Championship. We are getting decent money for him at least. Just need to get the move done as a quickly as possible for me.
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Rumbling on a bit innit?
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Rumbling on a bit innit?
David Gold has tweeted along the lines of "couple of signings getting close, hope to have some news soon" so hopefully Gueye may be one of them
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A very happy G pictured in his Everton shirt just on social media
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Whoever takes him off the wage bill is welcome to him. The interest in him smacks of Reilly style moneyball stat buying, but the old adage about Lies, dam lies and statistics holds true with Gana.
I don't care what the stats show he is not a very competent player at Premier League level, and if Everton or West Ham expect a player like Cante they are in for a disappointment.
Our biggest problem, for years, has been a lack of movement off the ball, so players have to hit hopeful passes, hold on to the ball for too long or turn and go backwards/sideways. Gana was a victim of that as much as anything else. His passing was nothing like as bad as some would have us believe, but when he tried to get us moving forward quickly he gave it away because he had no simple passes on...
Yes, I'd agree with that.
We still need players in MF who can thread passes through, but the real question is who is going to be on the end of them / in the space and moving onto the ball? Gestede is a complete non-starter in that respect and I'm hoping that Green, Davis and H-M perhaps offer much more.
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Whoever takes him off the wage bill is welcome to him. The interest in him smacks of Reilly style moneyball stat buying, but the old adage about Lies, dam lies and statistics holds true with Gana.
I don't care what the stats show he is not a very competent player at Premier League level, and if Everton or West Ham expect a player like Cante they are in for a disappointment.
Our biggest problem, for years, has been a lack of movement off the ball, so players have to hit hopeful passes, hold on to the ball for too long or turn and go backwards/sideways. Gana was a victim of that as much as anything else. His passing was nothing like as bad as some would have us believe, but when he tried to get us moving forward quickly he gave it away because he had no simple passes on. I don't know if he will be great for Everton/west ham but I wouldn't be surprised if he looks like a much better player.
Totally agree Paul. When you sit behind the goal at games, you can see that the movement is virtually non-existent. The last player we had with any decent movement was Robbie Keane.
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A very happy G pictured in his Everton shirt just on social media
can we see?
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on VT
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I remember when we used to sell good players. Now we seem to be selling really meh to shit ones.
Oh how far we've fallen.
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On Twatter
https://twitter.com/search?q=idrissa%20gana&src=tyah&lang=en-gb
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Remember when Everton couldn't compete with us as we had a rich owner ....fun times ...
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Remember when Everton couldn't compete with us as we had a rich owner ....fun times ...
I don't, as they'd always finish above us anyway.
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like Clark, should he leave, I think the G will look ok in a side where his shortcomings won't be as ruthlessly exposed as they were with us
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The cold reality when you realise that clubs are doing what we used to do, moving in for players from relegated/lower league clubs who won't be good enough for CL but will move to a "big" PL club as another stepping stone (Young, Delph, Benteke, Downing, Milner)
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I wonder if the PL forward RDM's holding out for is the Beast?
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just read that Hull have made a bid to take him on loan. FFS!!
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Signed for Everton.
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https://twitter.com/deulofeuu
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Alright, now let's re-invest it on a midfielder with more dynamism about him in the final third. Playing one steady type like Westwood or Gardner is fine, but the two of them together is an unbearably shit proposition.
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Cheerio, um, whatever your name was.
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Whoever takes him off the wage bill is welcome to him. The interest in him smacks of Reilly style moneyball stat buying
*muffled screams into cushion*
To be fair this signing could be the defintion of Moneyball. If they have concluded that running around a lot and generally being ineffective is a more valuable stat than scoring goals or assists for example.
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Whoever takes him off the wage bill is welcome to him. The interest in him smacks of Reilly style moneyball stat buying
*muffled screams into cushion*
To be fair this signing could be the defintion of Moneyball. If they have concluded that running around a lot and generally being ineffective is a more valuable stat than scoring goals or assists for example.
Yeah, but without him last season we would have finished bottom of the league and only beaten Wycombe Wanderers 1-0.
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Now confirmed as an Everton player.
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thanks for fuck all
dont worry you will soon get found out
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I think he will do alright up there.....he had a tough old job last season operating in our midfield in his first season in England.
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Started OK, got worse. Bye bye.
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Whoever takes him off the wage bill is welcome to him. The interest in him smacks of Reilly style moneyball stat buying
*muffled screams into cushion*
To be fair this signing could be the defintion of Moneyball. If they have concluded that running around a lot and generally being ineffective is a more valuable stat than scoring goals or assists for example.
Apart from that would be based on sabermetrics and not the Moneyball system.
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I think he will do alright up there.....he had a tough old job last season operating in our midfield in his first season in England.
Agreed. He was expected to come in late and immediately make an impact. I don't think he ever got comfortable, and was surrounded by absolute trash.
Not to mention he is now under Koeman, who unlike Sherwood, Remi, Black.., is an actual football manager.
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I can only remember a decent counter attack from him against Sunderland at home and an fa cup goal but knowing our luck he'll be a revelation at Everton
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Wouldn't have minded him staying, not overly fussed he's gone. May well be a good player in a decent side with a manager and coaches that know what they are doing but was pretty 'meh' for us.
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I still don't understand how you pay £9m for a player and put a release clause in his contract that allows him to leave for less.
i.e. Play shit and we'll let you leave on the cheap.
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Wouldn't have minded him staying, not overly fussed he's gone. May well be a good player in a decent side with a manager and coaches that know what they are doing but was pretty 'meh' for us.
Pretty much sums up how I feel about him to...
I harbour no ill feelings towards him, let's just invest the money wisely and on players that want to play for us...
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I still don't understand how you pay £9m for a player and put a release clause in his contract that allows him to leave for less.
i.e. Play shit and we'll let you leave on the cheap.
I think it's linked to relegation. I only know that because I made the same point the other day and this got flagged.
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Can recall about one decent game from him, Sunderland at home. At a time when they were even worse than us, if such a thing is believable.
So if Evernot think they're getting a Kante-type deal, good luck to them.
He didn't stand out in a poor side, as other good players have still been able to do over the years. In fact, amongst an abysmal, work-shy set of charlatans, he looked right at home.
Idrissa? Go, aye.
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I still don't understand how you pay £9m for a player and put a release clause in his contract that allows him to leave for less.
i.e. Play shit and we'll let you leave on the cheap.
Wasn't it 9m Euros?
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I still don't understand how you pay £9m for a player and put a release clause in his contract that allows him to leave for less.
i.e. Play shit and we'll let you leave on the cheap.
In the same way a player signs a contract that has a clause that sees half his weekly wage vanish if we're relegated.
Why would you expect a player to sign with that clause that protects the club and he loses money and not expect a player to do the same?
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I still don't understand how you pay £9m for a player and put a release clause in his contract that allows him to leave for less.
i.e. Play shit and we'll let you leave on the cheap.
Wasn't it 9m Euros?
Think you're right - according to Transfermarkt (http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/idrissa-gueye/transfers/spieler/126665/transfer_id/1557438) the fee was £7.65m - or approximately €9m give or take an exchange rate point or two
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oh well a 500k loss for a few tackles a goal and some sideways passing isn't too bad by our standards
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That's excellent business for us, though what it says for the state of English football is another matter. Another one gone, anyway - not one player from the squad of last season would I wish to be kept for a minute more than is needed to get rid. Not a single one.
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He's not good enough for Everton, I can't see why they'd want him to be honest.
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Whoever takes him off the wage bill is welcome to him. The interest in him smacks of Reilly style moneyball stat buying
*muffled screams into cushion*
To be fair this signing could be the defintion of Moneyball. If they have concluded that running around a lot and generally being ineffective is a more valuable stat than scoring goals or assists for example.
Apart from that would be based on sabermetrics and not the Moneyball system.
Er, no.
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couldn't we have chucked lescott into the deal and asked for say £6million and a coffee maker??? no???
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He's pretty mediocre as a player and I think he'll last a season at Everton. That said, he was the best CM we had at the club. So we really need to replace him quickly or pray that Tish develops quickly.
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The sort of player that in five years time we will have forgotten that he played for us. Beyond vanilla; could score, couldn't create, couldn't track and cover space. Could do a bit of blocking.
Erm, cheers Idrissa, cheers.
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oh well a 500k loss for a few tackles a goal and some sideways passing isn't too bad by our standards
Can't remember him scoring for us?
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So farewell then Idrissa Gueye
You had two names
Gana was the other
But you only had one number.
Eric J Thribb 17 1/2
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Whoever takes him off the wage bill is welcome to him. The interest in him smacks of Reilly style moneyball stat buying
*muffled screams into cushion*
To be fair this signing could be the defintion of Moneyball. If they have concluded that running around a lot and generally being ineffective is a more valuable stat than scoring goals or assists for example.
Apart from that would be based on sabermetrics and not the Moneyball system.
Er, no.
Afraid so. Any use of stats is sabermetrics. Moneyball is actually obtaining massively undervalued players that excel in the stats you covet. Sabermetrics is always a part of a Moneyball signing, Moneyball isn't always part of a sabermetrics signing.
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Couldn't Koeman argue that his stats in the defensive department outweigh his fee at £7 million compared with contemporaries like Kante who go for five times that? Isn't that what the Athletics basically did so they could brawl with the Yankees of MLB?
Not trying to knock any pints over here.
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Whoever takes him off the wage bill is welcome to him. The interest in him smacks of Reilly style moneyball stat buying
*muffled screams into cushion*
To be fair this signing could be the defintion of Moneyball. If they have concluded that running around a lot and generally being ineffective is a more valuable stat than scoring goals or assists for example.
Apart from that would be based on sabermetrics and not the Moneyball system.
Er, no.
Afraid so. Any use of stats is sabermetrics. Moneyball is actually obtaining massively undervalued players that excel in the stats you covet. Sabermetrics is always a part of a Moneyball signing, Moneyball isn't always part of a sabermetrics signing.
and thats numberwang
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Couldn't Koeman argue that his stats in the defensive department outweigh his fee at £7 million compared with contemporaries like Kante who go for five times that? Isn't that what the Athletics basically did so they could brawl with the Yankees of MLB?
Not trying to knock any pints over here.
Not really, they could deem his stats as worth more than the release fee but still be paying him the going rate in wages so that's more using sabermetrics to not overpay. The Athletics couldn't do that. This was the club so poor in baseball terms they charged players for drinks, negotiated in trades that the other team would pay for the soda for a year in their soda machines the players used and so on.
What the Athletics did was sign players that they were significantly underpaying, but no one but the Athletics knew it.
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So farewell then Idrissa Gueye
You had two names
Gana was the other
But you only had one number.
Eric J Thribb 17 1/2
That Brian is very amusing. Peter Cook would have approved.
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Whoever takes him off the wage bill is welcome to him. The interest in him smacks of Reilly style moneyball stat buying
*muffled screams into cushion*
To be fair this signing could be the defintion of Moneyball. If they have concluded that running around a lot and generally being ineffective is a more valuable stat than scoring goals or assists for example.
Apart from that would be based on sabermetrics and not the Moneyball system.
Er, no.
Afraid so. Any use of stats is sabermetrics. Moneyball is actually obtaining massively undervalued players that excel in the stats you covet. Sabermetrics is always a part of a Moneyball signing, Moneyball isn't always part of a sabermetrics signing.
I know that. I would argue though, that £7m in terms of the new Premier League money is essentially for nothing, especially when we're apparently contemplating spending £15m on a 30 year old striker from another non-Premier League club.
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So another of the players who I wouldn't have minded staying has gone ----------------but still nearly all the one's we want rid of are still here!!! >:(
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Gana will do well there as a) Everton will be a good side under Koeman b) he's had a season to get used to the league and c) he won't have to work with the likes of Mr Pointy and get dragged down to their level of shitness.
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So another of the players who I wouldn't have minded staying has gone ----------------but still nearly all the one's we want rid of are still here!!! >:(
Who are the other players that have gone that you wouldn't have minded staying?
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I think we will miss him, 18 months ago most of us were pissing our pants?
edit 12 months? not long really
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So another of the players who I wouldn't have minded staying has gone ----------------but still nearly all the one's we want rid of are still here!!! >:(
Who are the other players that have gone that you wouldn't have minded staying?
Given it looks like we'll be starting on Sunday with Ayew behind Gestede and no width, I'd much prefer Gil behind Aye instead.
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I know that. I would argue though, that £7m in terms of the new Premier League money is essentially for nothing, especially when we're apparently contemplating spending £15m on a 30 year old striker from another non-Premier League club.
It still isn't Moneyball. Same as it wasn't Moneyball when we signed him for pretty much the same amount.
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Would it be Moneyball if we coveted the kilometres covered divided by goals contributed to stat?
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Would it be Moneyball if we coveted the kilometres covered divided by goals contributed to stat?
You've got it all wrong - basically it's "Moneyball" if a) it's a player from a foreign league b) it's a player that Robbie Savage or Alan Shearer hasn't heard of or c) anybody involved has ever worn glasses.
Then it's Moneyball by definition.
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It's a good sports film though yeah? Can we agree on that?
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Nothing special for us, not good enough for their current team.
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I think we will miss him, 18 months ago most of us were pissing our pants?
edit 12 months? not long really
Nah he is a gutless pr*ck. Another one who threw in the towel routinely when we went behind last season. The stats may say he is a good midfielder but he is another one of the despicable 15/16 crew for me.
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I know that. I would argue though, that £7m in terms of the new Premier League money is essentially for nothing, especially when we're apparently contemplating spending £15m on a 30 year old striker from another non-Premier League club.
It still isn't Moneyball. Same as it wasn't Moneyball when we signed him for pretty much the same amount.
Jesus, not that I really care, but:
Moneyball isn't really portable in its entirety from baseball to football due to the more individualistic nature of baseball, but as a handy term that describes a set of circumstances that anybody who isn't being pedantic to the nth degree would understand, it's fine, In the baseball version, it was concentrating on statistics that hadn't always been appreciated, and then finding players on the cheap who were undervalued and who could provide those less popular but secretly useful skills.
So useful stats that other teams might not have picked up or value less - yes.
Cheap in terms of transfer fee and therefore "undervalued" - arguably. Cheap in terms of wages - haven't seem it reported anywhere, so who knows.
Oh and I've seen the film and read the book before you ask!
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It's still not Moneyball no matter how often you say it.
And you care at least as much as me as your spending the same amount of time debating it as I am, difference is i'm right so ner ner.
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I know that. I would argue though, that £7m in terms of the new Premier League money is essentially for nothing, especially when we're apparently contemplating spending £15m on a 30 year old striker from another non-Premier League club.
It still isn't Moneyball. Same as it wasn't Moneyball when we signed him for pretty much the same amount.
Jesus, not that I really care, but:
Moneyball isn't really portable in its entirety from baseball to football due to the more individualistic nature of baseball, but as a handy term that describes a set of circumstances that anybody who isn't being pedantic to the nth degree would understand, it's fine, In the baseball version, it was concentrating on statistics that hadn't always been appreciated, and then finding players on the cheap who were undervalued and who could provide those less popular but secretly useful skills.
So useful stats that other teams might not have picked up or value less - yes.
Cheap in terms of transfer fee and therefore "undervalued" - arguably. Cheap in terms of wages - haven't seem it reported anywhere, so who knows.
Oh and I've seen the film and read the book before you ask!
Didn't it also involve coming up with a way of playing to suit those skills? It's probably more applicable to cricket than football really.
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The Moneyball term is fine by me, it's a common term where dud signings have been made on the basis of stats taken out of context over ability and impact. Whether that be Gueye, Comolli's Dream XI or whoever.
And baseball is fucking pish anyway.
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The Moneyball term is fine by me, it's a common term where dud signings have been made on the basis of stats taken out of context over ability and impact.
It's only a common term in the above context when used by people who don't know what the word they're using means.
Hearing and using a word and not understanding it doesn't change the meaning of the word.
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It will eventually loike.
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The Moneyball term is fine by me, it's a common term where dud signings have been made on the basis of stats taken out of context over ability and impact.
It's only a common term in the above context when used by people who don't know what the word they're using means.
Hearing and using a word and not understanding it doesn't change the meaning of the word.
I don't care, or know, about moneyball, but you're very wrong about that bit in bold. Language changes. The words decimate and enormity spring to mind. They're not used in the 'correct' way the vast majority of the times that they're used, but they are used. Which means that their meaning has changed.
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Actually that's how the English language (and most other languages) progress.
Is crucial really cool? Is cool trendy?
The difference is we don't have anally retentive weather presenters coming on here (yet) making a defiant stand about it.
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It will eventually loike.
True. I guess in five years Moneyball might be new "literally" or "awful".
But it doesn't mean that it should just be allowed to happen without a fight.
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It's still not Moneyball no matter how often you say it.
And you care at least as much as me as your spending the same amount of time debating it as I am, difference is i'm right so ner ner.
Well, it's not baseball, and it's not a film about it, but as a term to describe as close a situation as is possible when a club buys an undervalued player based on stats they value, it's as accurate as you're going to get. You're right in that most people misuse the term to either mean just looking at stats, or simply buying talented youngesters cheap.
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The Moneyball term is fine by me, it's a common term where dud signings have been made on the basis of stats taken out of context over ability and impact.
It's only a common term in the above context when used by people who don't know what the word they're using means.
Hearing and using a word and not understanding it doesn't change the meaning of the word.
I don't care, or know, about moneyball, but you're very wrong about that bit in bold. Language changes. The words decimate and enormity spring to mind. They're not used in the 'correct' way the vast majority of the times that they're used, but they are used. Which means that their meaning has changed.
Isn't the more common use of enormity influenced by the word enormous though rather than the meaning just evolved on its own?
Decimation i'll agree with although it did take a couple of thousand years for it to be used differently.
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It will eventually loike.
True. I guess in five years Moneyball might be new "literally" or "awful".
But it doesn't mean that it should just be allowed to happen without a fight.
We will.fight them on the news paper comments section. On the Facebook, the Twitter and the message boards. We will never surrender.
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The Moneyball term is fine by me, it's a common term where dud signings have been made on the basis of stats taken out of context over ability and impact.
It's only a common term in the above context when used by people who don't know what the word they're using means.
Hearing and using a word and not understanding it doesn't change the meaning of the word.
I don't care, or know, about moneyball, but you're very wrong about that bit in bold. Language changes. The words decimate and enormity spring to mind. They're not used in the 'correct' way the vast majority of the times that they're used, but they are used. Which means that their meaning has changed.
Isn't the more common use of enormity influenced by the word enormous though rather than the meaning just evolved on its own?
Decimation i'll agree with although it did take a couple of thousand years for it to be used differently.
It originally had nothing to do with the word enormous (or if it did I guess the relationship worked in reverse).
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The point is and I think Risso had touched on it, Moneyball or the principle of it is so much easier to apply to a sport like baseball that literally drowns in stats. While football has stats it is a far more fluid sport and doesn't have as many specific or defined parameters.
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I know, but because the word enormous existed as well it's why enormity is now used gets used in the context it does.
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In a football context the common usage has been buying young players with an eye on them improving and you selling at a profit to reinvest and generally that's the context it gets used in on here. If everyone knows that's what is meant by it then trying to argue that they're using the wrong term because in another sport, where it originated, the meaning was different seems like arguing semantics for no good reason to me. If there was some confusion and there was another regularly used expression that could replace it I'd understand but that's not the case.
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I know, but because the word enormous existed as well it's why enormity is now used gets used in the context it does.
Yes, but 'wrongly' if we take the pedant's view. You fucking pedant/ignoramus (I can't remember which of us was arguing for which position now that we're buying a real striker).
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Can you believe the enormity of it! A Moneyball striker and we're decimating the Fulham squad as well!
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Gana - All fart, no shit. Goodbye.
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Can you believe the enormity of it! A Moneyball striker and we're decimating the Fulham squad as well!
Happy clapper. I'm fuming.
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I don't really get the decimation one, didn't it start as removing 1 in 10 (with deci being the important bit) and then alter to removing a large amount? Seems more of a broadening of the term rather than an implicit misuse. I agree there's probably plenty of people who don't know the original meaning but they're not all that different.
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I don't really get the decimation one, didn't it start as removing 1 in 10 (with deci being the important bit) and then alter to removing a large amount? Seems more of a broadening of the term rather than an implicit misuse. I agree there's probably plenty of people who don't know the original meaning but they're not all that different.
Isn't that the point, though? In the modern context implies the destroying of much more than 10%.
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I don't really get the decimation one, didn't it start as removing 1 in 10 (with deci being the important bit) and then alter to removing a large amount? Seems more of a broadening of the term rather than an implicit misuse. I agree there's probably plenty of people who don't know the original meaning but they're not all that different.
Isn't that the point, though? In the modern context implies the destroying of much more than 10%.
True but it's not like outright abuse of the word as has happened with words like literally, wicked, sick and a few others.
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I don't really get the decimation one, didn't it start as removing 1 in 10 (with deci being the important bit) and then alter to removing a large amount? Seems more of a broadening of the term rather than an implicit misuse. I agree there's probably plenty of people who don't know the original meaning but they're not all that different.
Isn't that the point, though? In the modern context implies the destroying of much more than 10%.
True but it's not like outright abuse of the word as has happened with words like literally, wicked, sick and a few others.
A million per-cent agree, bruv.
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"My style is good for the Premier League," he said. "You have to fight every game. All the teams are strong and you have to concentrate all through the game.
Said the man whose main consistency was the way he dropped his head in games after we'd gone behind and general lapses on concentration on a regular basis.*
* Along with everyone else mind.
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Given how much time we spent behind in games, it's pretty amazing he managed all those interceptions and tackles, then.
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I think it was something to do with killing one in ten of your own Roman legion?
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Had some impressive stats and I don't doubt he'll look better in a decent midfield but I found him pretty unwhelming for us but then perhaps last season's horror show isn't the best barometer.
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Bye Bye Gana, in 3 months I wont even remember you being here, that's the lasting impression you have made on me.
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I don't really get the decimation one, didn't it start as removing 1 in 10 (with deci being the important bit) and then alter to removing a large amount? Seems more of a broadening of the term rather than an implicit misuse. I agree there's probably plenty of people who don't know the original meaning but they're not all that different.
It came from the Roman army tradition of punishing a dishonoured legion, no not that one, by executing every tenth man.
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The execution would be carried out by the 9 out of 10 left to beat the others to death with clubs.
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The execution would be carried out by the 9 out of 10 left to beat the others to death with clubs.
Our club has certainly tried beating us to death over the last six years!
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I don't really get the decimation one, didn't it start as removing 1 in 10 (with deci being the important bit) and then alter to removing a large amount? Seems more of a broadening of the term rather than an implicit misuse. I agree there's probably plenty of people who don't know the original meaning but they're not all that different.
It came from the Roman army tradition of punishing a dishonoured legion, no not that one, by executing every tenth man.
Oh I know, what I'm saying is the modern usage (10 players in a 25 man squad being out is described as a squad decimated by injuries) isn't accurate to the exact original but it's not a complete abuse of the word in the way that literally not actual meaning that you have to take it literally is. It's not a change in meaning, just a broadening from a very specific meaning to a more general one, that's all I meant.
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I don't really get the decimation one, didn't it start as removing 1 in 10 (with deci being the important bit) and then alter to removing a large amount? Seems more of a broadening of the term rather than an implicit misuse. I agree there's probably plenty of people who don't know the original meaning but they're not all that different.
Isn't that the point, though? In the modern context implies the destroying of much more than 10%.
True but it's not like outright abuse of the word as has happened with words like literally, wicked, sick and a few others.
A million per-cent agree, bruv.
I've told you a million times to stop exaggerating.
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It was all a bit Paul Mortimer. He came, he went, not many f*cks were given.
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I'm just hoping he doesn't let the door hit him in the arse on the way out.....
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https://twitter.com/ben_machell/status/760549572871585792
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Would tire badly in the second half, and was left out due to fatigue for a couple of games. Think he is a good player, but loses concentration in a way Kante doesn't. Does not track runners in the same way either.
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Would tire badly in the second half, and was left out due to fatigue for a couple of games. Think he is a good player, but loses concentration in a way Kante doesn't. Does not track runners in the same way either.
he breaks up play nicely, that is it.
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It was all a bit Paul Mortimer. He came, he went, not many f*cks were given.
Exactly.
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My lasting impression of him was that wonderful pass from our corner to set up what i think was the third Man City goal at Villa Park in the cup ,if only he could have played passes like that going forward
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My lasting impression of him was that wonderful pass from our corner to set up what i think was the third Man City goal at Villa Park in the cup ,if only he could have played passes like that going forward
I'll agree with this, I think we've done well to get what we have for him, I was surprised how many games he started, let's just hope he'll be back at Villa Park when the stat that always gets mentioned restarts again in 2017-18.
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I can just imagine Everton fans saying "Who?". Such was his impact at Villa Park.
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I literally get a hard on for Moneyball talk.
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Would tire badly in the second half, and was left out due to fatigue for a couple of games. Think he is a good player, but loses concentration in a way Kante doesn't. Does not track runners in the same way either.
he breaks up play nicely, that is it.
He breaks up play, gives the ball straight back to the opposition, he breaks up play, gives the ball straight back to the opposition, he breaks up etc, etc, etc.... I will not miss him.
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Was he a slightly better Reo Coker?
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A slightly better Salifou. Rio Coker got a few goals. Guye bothered more people in the crowd than any goalkeeper.
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Won't miss him, always managed to win the ball, go on a run, get near the box and fall over/lose control
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Was he a slightly better Reo Coker?
Not for me.
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I'm not Gana miss him. Goodbye.
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Was he a slightly better Reo Coker?
Coker had the odd run of form to be fair and never particularly went missing from a game. He was bobbins, but to some extent he did what it said on the tin.
Some games went by where I forgot Gana was even there.
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Reo-Coker was more of a fighter and added more of a voice to the team. Gana ran around for a little bit then usually gave up around the 65 minute mark.
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Was he a slightly better Reo Coker?
Not for me.
nor me
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Reo-Coker was shit.
As for Westwood being a pointer, NRC was way worse than him for that.
Almost as bad as Zat Knight.
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But not as bad as the King of the Pointers, Mark "runner over there lads" Kinsella.
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NRC over Westwood because he could also do a mean pre game huddle
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NRC and Gana are pretty much the same for me, won the ball the a lot, but they had to as they gave it away so often in the first place. We may remember NRC as being a bit better, but for me that's because he had far better players around him and was here longer.
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NRC was a leader, had more energy and was very good at pointing and talking but was otherwise mediocre. Gana was mediocre without being able to point, talk or last a full game. File under good riddance.
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NRC also got better the longer he was out of the team.
Not gonna miss Gana, £7m could be well spent on an upgrade. Who that is I have no idea.
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NRC gets the vote over Gueye purely based on the laughter around the ground whenever he got one on one with the keeper - it's my abiding memory:-)
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NRC gets the vote over Gueye purely based on the laughter around the ground whenever he got one on one with the keeper - it's my abiding memory:-)
Against Chelsea in a nil nil at VP, as I recall. I was in the Trinity. What a chance
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So farewell then Idrissa Gueye
You had two names
Gana was the other
But you only had one number.
Eric J Thribb 17 1/2
Very good!
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I was in the UT for that and no exaggeration, I started to get up out of my seat in excitement, saw it was him and sat back down before he shot as you just knew.
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Injury time too if I remember correctly.
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I was in the UT for that and no exaggeration, I started to get up out of my seat in excitement, saw it was him and sat back down before he shot as you just knew.
Was surreal, some screaming obscenities at NRC others crying with laughter at the inevitability of the ineptness that was about to occur. The only thing comparable laughter wise was when Bellamy did his hamstring whilst in chief bellend mode for the greatest one club city that play in black & white in the north east of England
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I'm going to miss him.
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I was in the UT for that and no exaggeration, I started to get up out of my seat in excitement, saw it was him and sat back down before he shot as you just knew.
Was surreal, some screaming obscenities at NRC others crying with laughter at the inevitability of the ineptness that was about to occur. The only thing comparable laughter wise was when Bellamy did his hamstring whilst in chief bellend mode for the greatest one club city that play in black & white in the north east of England
Bannan going up for a header against Zigic is another time you could hear laughter around the ground.
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I was in the UT for that and no exaggeration, I started to get up out of my seat in excitement, saw it was him and sat back down before he shot as you just knew.
I had an identical moment in the WC in 2010, against Algeria IIRC. Heskey through with the keeper one on one and at 4-30am the pub rose in excitement in that familiar England desperation of beating a poor team with a spawny late winner ( which never happens). . I had time to add the aside " calm down, it's Heskey" to my boss and like a remote controlled doll he hit the ball into the keeper's midriff.
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I hope he fails miserably, that's what we all want isn't it? Theresa player there somewhere though.
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Not off to a great start in his debut for Everton...fouled an Espanyol player on the edge of the box to concede a penalty from which they scored to win the game 1-0. He still looks completely out of place in a Premier League team.
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Apparently a man of the match performance today against Spuds. A summary of the beeb notes:
"An absolute terrier in defensive midfield for Everton. A brilliant lunging dive in front of Alli in the second half which caused the England midfielder to rush his strike was a great example of his tenacity."
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He's a really good player for me. Not top class. But anyone would have looked shit for us last year
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It's always tough for a player to have their first season in the Premier. I suspect he'll be a star for them this season. He would have been a good buy for us if we hadn't been a complete mess on and off the field.
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It's always tough for a player to have their first season in the Premier. I suspect he'll be a star for them this season. He would have been a good buy for us if we hadn't been a complete mess on and off the field.
Agreed 200% mate he would have been an asset for us this season alongside Tish..........
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Irish TV made a point of highlighting how well he had played during the half time break.
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He'd have a better career if he concentrated on playing well during the match
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He is dead to me.
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I wasn't the biggest fan myself to be honest Richard. Took too many chances with the ball and he gave up more often than not
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I seem to remember that he started well here too. Soon wore off. Good luck to him but I doubt he'll pull up trees at Everton. They got him for a decent price, considering the way the market has exploded.
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He's a good player but was a victim of circumstance and a bottler.
We were shite so he was never going to look good and he never really had the bottle to impose himself in a shit side. He'll be a relatively decent PL player but if Everton ever hit the rocks don't expect him to be the one to dig them out of it.
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So apparantly, after getting in a couple of tackles in and managing the feat of passing the ball to his own team mates, Gana is a massive success. Congratulations Eveton.
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He has no heart. A major deficiency for a defensive mid.
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Missing him already
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Complete fanny who gives up, fuck him.
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As others said seemed to settle in ok and improved when Garde took over.
Then he was utter garbage
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He sported one or two nice hats and has lovely teeth, neither of which makes him a midfield marvel.
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He's gone. Move on.
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He's gone. Move on.
He can dislike an ex-player if he wants, can't he?
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He's gone. Move on.
He can dislike an ex-player if he wants, can't he?
Of course he can. But was he that good or influential for us to be discussing at length? And just because he had a good first game for his new club. He played one season, played his part in us going down, and bolted at the very first opportunity. Him and Clark. So I've got no time for either. Frankly any one of our players who leaves that played with any regularity last season with the exception of Ayew I wouldn't want to wish well or discuss much to be honest.
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Well that's your view. Others might want to discuss him. If the subject of this player bores you, you could always not post in the thread with 'Idrissa Gueye' in the heading.
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Well that's your view. Others might want to discuss him. If the subject of this player bores you, you could always not post in the thread with 'Idrissa Gueye' in the heading.
bloody hell what's got into you today? If you didn't like my post why comment on it? I didn't reference anyone else in my observation. It was my opinion on a player who I thought was decidedly average. And if my post bores you or if you disagree with my view on it you could just as easily skipped on by and posted something about him yourself.
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I just thought it was a bit strange to tell people what they should or should not be interested in discussing.
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I'm with TV on this one. Feck Gueye or Ganna or whatever he likes to call himself at the moment. He can shag off to the 'Other Football' thread for all I care. He's dead to me!
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I just thought it was a bit strange to tell people what they should or should not be interested in discussing.
There's comments like that all over this place. I didn't direct my comment at anyone specifically. It was my observation of the situation. You decided to make it personal. It was fine when it was Benteke because of how massively influential he was but after 2 years that's old too. This is Gueye, a player who fucked off as soon as he could. My opinion is fuck him. Either you agree, you don't or you don't care enough to agree or disagree. I'm not telling anyone specifically what to do.
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I'm not telling anyone specifically what to do.
I wonder how I got that impression.
He's gone. Move on.
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I'm not telling anyone specifically what to do.
I wonder how I got that impression.
He's gone. Move on.
Right it's not directed at anyone is it? It's my commentary on the situation. You have taken it, it seems to be all about you. Nobody else seems to give a damn.
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Actually you have extended this unbelievably boring discussion with your indignant wailings. I just thought it was a bit unfair in the first place, you decided I was hysterically accusing you of Holocaust denial or paedophilia or worse, and made less sense from that point on. I'm out of this.
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Actually you have extended this unbelievably boring discussion with your indignant wailings. I just thought it was a bit unfair in the first place, you decided I was hysterically accusing you of Holocaust denial or paedophilia or worse, and made less sense from that point on. I'm out of this.
yes seriously do give it up. You're speaking utter nonsense and have expanded needlessly upon a throwaway nothing comment that I made. A comment not unlike a million others you'll find on here on a daily basis.
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If Monty wants to talk to himself or others about Gueye that's up to him.
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People talking about Idrissa Gueye in thread entitled 'Idrissa Gueye' shocker.
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Give him a few weeks there and he'll sown show them the standards we saw last season.
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Made a decent debut for Everton at the weekend. Korman seems a good judge of a player to me. As long as we replace him then I'm fine with it. Didn't do it for us last season and probably values himself as a top flight player.
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I think I have seen him go further forward tonight than at his entire time combined with Villa. He is definitely a decent player in a decent side.
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I think I have seen him go further forward tonight than at his entire time combined with Villa. He is definitely a decent player in a decent side.
I reckon that could be said about a few of our players from last season.
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That's what you get with shite managers and a shite owner without a single clue how to run a football club. Gana is decent with a good manager in Koeman. Pity he didn't stay under this new regime.
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I think I have seen him go further forward tonight than at his entire time combined with Villa. He is definitely a decent player in a decent side.
I reckon that could be said about a few of our players from last season.
Yep..always thought he was a player..ditto Vertoute and Gil..play them the right way (granted with better players around them) and they look decent.
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I think I have seen him go further forward tonight than at his entire time combined with Villa. He is definitely a decent player in a decent side.
I reckon that could be said about a few of our players from last season.
Yep..always thought he was a player..ditto Vertoute and Gil..play them the right way (granted with better players around them) and they look decent.
Exactly this. They'd look decent Premier League players in the right side. Its even more of a punch in the gut to see a player like Gana perform at such a level tonight.
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So Reillys recruitment was correct then?
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So Reillys recruitment was correct then?
Not really, but that doesn't mean that the players that he bought were bad players.
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So Reillys recruitment was correct then?
I've always thought that the players selected by Reilly were decent or at least decent value for money. They were not however necessarily the players we needed. If they had been introduced to a solid team then I think they could have flourished (Gueye is a good example actually) however the solidity of last year's squad was provided by players like Richards and Gabby.
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So Reillys recruitment was correct then?
I've always thought that the players selected by Reilly were decent or at least decent value for money. They were not however necessarily the players we needed. If they had been introduced to a solid team then I think they could have flourished (Gueye is a good example actually) however the solidity of last year's squad was provided by players like Richards and Gabby.
Indeed.
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So Reillys recruitment was correct then?
I've always thought that the players selected by Reilly were decent or at least decent value for money. They were not however necessarily the players we needed. If they had been introduced to a solid team then I think they could have flourished (Gueye is a good example actually) however the solidity of last year's squad was provided by players like Richards and Gabby.
And they were the wrong players for the direction that we'd (for some stupid reason) decided on.
If in some insane moment you decide to hire Tim Sherwood, you buy him Aaron Lennon and Andros Townsend to kick balls in the general direction of Rudy Gestede or Peter Crouch. You don't buy him a multi-lingual, multi-cultural bunch of decent prospects to blend into a creative whole.
The players we bought under a different manager would probably have been fine (fine, relative to what we actually got). The manager we had with different players would probably have been fine as well (fine, relative to what we actually got).
So while he may have approached things with admirable intentions - no, obviously it wasn't correct.
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History now of course. But how ludicrous was it for Fox to have his 'list of one' in Sherwood decide to keep him on, then allow someone else to recruit the players we recruited when, as you indicate Sherwoods limits stretched to 'gwarn lads pamp it ap to the big bloke' type tactics.
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Thought Gana's motivation was a big problem here. He has ability but he didn't half down tools when we went 1 down. Be interested to see what he's like when Everton go on a bad run and lose a couple.
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Fox should really have been tarred and feathered and then put in the stocks outside the ground, such were his crimes against Villa humanity.
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He really was feckin awful. Just awful. Remember him saying how being bottom wasn't the only indicator of success and pointed to increased shirt sales. I knew we were fcuked from that day forward.
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True Dave. Sherwood compounded matters by changing tactics and formations pretty much every match, making the scouts job of identifying players that fit into the club's system largely impossible. There was clearly no joined up thinking at the club. In fact - and I know this will not be popular - Reilly's 'thinking' was probably more detailed/honest than most, however defining the club's transfer philosophy was clearly a few levels above his pay-grade.
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To me last summer transfer window simply came down to comically thinking Gestede could replace Benteke just because he scored on his debut once Adebayor didn't want to know.
If we'd got in a proven premier league striker like Loic Remy or Demba Ba or someone like that it's possibly we could've still survived as the midfield players would've been more confident playing balls to a decent striker knowing he could nick a goal at any stage like Benteke could which of course change games.
As much as people saying we were hopeless last season and this season is much better in terms of competitiveness....it was only around February the team really gave up.
First half of last season we had many narrow 1 goal defeats. Indeed when Garde took over a lot on here said we still had a good chance of staying up given the narrow defeats. A decent striker would've gone a long way to solving that. Not having any sort of back up plan for Adebayor cost us our premier league status there and then.
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Back to Gana, I didn't think he was that bad. He didn't want to hang around though and we got the majority of our money back so other than this thread, I'd more or less forgotten about him.
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From the bit I seen, the last 25 minutes, he looked very industrious. But then you consider that he was up against Sunderland who were woeful all over the pitch. They're so down already.
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From the bit I seen, the last 25 minutes, he looked very industrious. But then you consider that he was up against Sunderland who were woeful all over the pitch. They're so down already.
They're always down already at this point of this season, only to miraculously haul themselves free at the death.
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He was good last night. Only a few misplaced passes... Seems to fit in with Everton and is surrounded by better players than we had. Good luck to him - he'll be a fan favourite before too long.
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He was good last night. Only a few misplaced passes... Seems to fit in with Everton and is surrounded by better players than we had. Good luck to him - he'll be a fan favourite before too long.
A few misplaced passes? Gardner was crucified for one.
Gueye is a decent player, shame we couldn't keep him.
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He's ok, when the shit hits the fan though he gives up, not my kind of player.
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Thought Gana's motivation was a big problem here. He has ability but he didn't half down tools when we went 1 down. Be interested to see what he's like when Everton go on a bad run and lose a couple.
I'm not sure he would have managed the ball-winning stats he did if that was the case, given how often we went a goal down relatively early on. I actually think it was a mental issue of a different kind - that he often tried to do much when we got into a hole, and made silly mistakes both defensively and passing-wise as a result, which helped build the narrative that he was a terminally shit passer.
He would've looked much better if his midfield partners had some creativity, but alas, we had Westwood and Sanchez.
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I think Amavi staying fit and getting Bacuna at RB and getting them both to pump it into the box as often as possible would've helped as well. Not a tactic I particularly approve of but if Gestede is your only proper striker you have to give him crosses.
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He was good last night. Only a few misplaced passes... Seems to fit in with Everton and is surrounded by better players than we had. Good luck to him - he'll be a fan favourite before too long.
A few misplaced passes? Gardner was crucified for one.
Gueye is a decent player, shame we couldn't keep him.
I think he's been crucified for being shit.
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It's never good seeing players we've let go doing well - more for what it says about the absolute car crash of a club that we were. Let's hope that he's the last one that we regret letting go as a result of the Lerner debacle.
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None of us should be surprised by Gana's improvement, he was one of the only players in our apocalypse squad worthy of staying in the premier league but put it this way if I was given the choice of keeping either Gana, Veretout, Amavi or Ayew I think we kept the right ones.
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He was good last night. Only a few misplaced passes... Seems to fit in with Everton and is surrounded by better players than we had. Good luck to him - he'll be a fan favourite before too long.
A few misplaced passes? Gardner was crucified for one.
Gueye is a decent player, shame we couldn't keep him.
I think he's been crucified for being shit.
No, in the last game there was plenty of comments about him doing pretty well. But also a few focusing on one misplaced pass on the edge of the opposition box that in some minds seemed to become the main reason we didn't win.
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Gana is a good player. Unfortunately he was coached and managed by complete idiots last season. To top it all, Fox inserted a stupid release clause less than we paid for him. All these crazy anomalies are gradually coming out in the wash. I absolutely detest Lerner for the untold damage caused under his last 5 years of so called leadership.
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It's been said many times, his clause would have been what he was worth on the books with a year of his contract run and in there as a counter to any relegation wages drop. We wiped our feet on him.
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It's been said many times, his clause would have been what he was worth on the books with a year of his contract run and in there as a counter to any relegation wages drop. We wiped our feet on him.
Or the clause was in euros given it was the currency he was familiar with and the 15% drop between signing him and selling him seems to match the difference in fees that have been suggested.
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Started off well enough for us but then went MIA. Before the pundits start queuing up to drop to their knees before his unzipped thunder-rod, they might want to wait and see if he can keep his form going.
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Anyone labouring under the illusion that Idrissa Gueye might actually be any good should re-watch that back pass against Man City.
I think only that infamous Curtis Davis 'clearance' rivals it for ineptitude (although Bacuna had a good go with another back pass a few games later).
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Careers aren't (or shouldn't be) defined by any single error. I'm sure if you could be bothered you could name a team of world beaters together with a video montage of miss hit shots, passes and comedy errors.
If you're content he's shit because of that then so be it. But I'm backing Koemans judgement (and seemingly most other people who have watched him) over yours.
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it's not surprising he looks better this season - he's playing in a useful side as opposed to a shit sandwich
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My Toffee Son-in law just replied to me with this about him.
he's been outstanding Kip. Fan favourite already and man of the match in every game. Yesterday he was just superb.
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Hes gone, get over it!
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Probably more to do with his attitude. He gave up at Villa soon after he arrived and made it clear he had no intention hanging around. May be a fine addition to an established Everton side but a player like that would have been no use to us this season
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Hes gone, get over it!
For me, it's difficult to get over 'it'. Not particularly with Gana, but the fact that we know that there have been many good players here over recent times, but there something so fundamentally wrong at the club that we couldn't get them playing for us. Worse still, it continues to be so. Something is rotten in the state of Villa Park.
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Hes gone, get over it!
For me, it's difficult to get over 'it'. Not particularly with Gana, but the fact that we know that there have been many good players here over recent times, but there something so fundamentally wrong at the club that we couldn't get them playing for us. Worse still, it continues to be so. Something is rotten in the state of Villa Park.
This is sadly true. Whenever we get a player who's supposed to be ace at x,y or z (be it dribbling, free kick taking, corners whatever) within months they have been dragged down to the level of dross of the rest of the squad. And it seems this happens irrespective of the manager or the coaches.
One could even argue, the same malady affects managers/coaches coaches coming here too.
Maybe if the claret is not the right claret it affects everyone negatively!
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Hes gone, get over it!
For me, it's difficult to get over 'it'. Not particularly with Gana, but the fact that we know that there have been many good players here over recent times, but there something so fundamentally wrong at the club that we couldn't get them playing for us. Worse still, it continues to be so. Something is rotten in the state of Villa Park.
This is sadly true. Whenever we get a player who's supposed to be ace at x,y or z (be it dribbling, free kick taking, corners whatever) within months they have been dragged down to the level of dross of the rest of the squad. And it seems this happens irrespective of the manager or the coaches.
That is the one thing we definitely have in common with Newcastle - us and them are two clubs who will destroy reputations like this *clicks fingers*
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Hes gone, get over it!
For me, it's difficult to get over 'it'. Not particularly with Gana, but the fact that we know that there have been many good players here over recent times, but there something so fundamentally wrong at the club that we couldn't get them playing for us. Worse still, it continues to be so. Something is rotten in the state of Villa Park.
This is sadly true. Whenever we get a player who's supposed to be ace at x,y or z (be it dribbling, free kick taking, corners whatever) within months they have been dragged down to the level of dross of the rest of the squad. And it seems this happens irrespective of the manager or the coaches.
That is the one thing we definitely have in common with Newcastle - us and them are two clubs who will destroy reputations like this *clicks fingers*
Hmmm... not sure about that.
They got £55m for two players who didn't massively stand out in a side that occasionally rivalled us for comedy ineptitude last season. The only way that we get £20m+ for players is if they are the one of the best players in the league when in our colours.
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Gana started off well last season.
Looking at him now it's probable he just got bogged down with the whole ineptitude last season and he's playing in a much better and more confident team with a clearly defined role.
What I didn't like about him though was how quickly he downed tools as soon as we went 1 down. He would lose the ball and just jog back. Be interesting to see what he's like when Everton go on a poor run.
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Gana started off well last season.
Looking at him now it's probable he just got bogged down with the whole ineptitude last season and he's playing in a much better and more confident team with a clearly defined role.
What I didn't like about him though was how quickly he downed tools as soon as we went 1 down. He would lose the ball and just jog back. Be interesting to see what he's like when Everton go on a poor run.
And on the basis of seeing their last two games, he's usually got an easy out ball due to them using some witchcraft called "moving of the ball" I think one of the commentators called it?
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Gana started off well last season.
Looking at him now it's probable he just got bogged down with the whole ineptitude last season and he's playing in a much better and more confident team with a clearly defined role.
What I didn't like about him though was how quickly he downed tools as soon as we went 1 down. He would lose the ball and just jog back. Be interesting to see what he's like when Everton go on a poor run.
And on the basis of seeing their last two games, he's usually got an easy out ball due to them using some witchcraft called "moving of the ball" I think one of the commentators called it?
What is this of which they speak? Are there others that find space and make themselves available to receive the spherical object so that they can quickly advance? Does such wizardry exist?
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Gana started off well last season.
Looking at him now it's probable he just got bogged down with the whole ineptitude last season and he's playing in a much better and more confident team with a clearly defined role.
What I didn't like about him though was how quickly he downed tools as soon as we went 1 down. He would lose the ball and just jog back. Be interesting to see what he's like when Everton go on a poor run.
And on the basis of seeing their last two games, he's usually got an easy out ball due to them using some witchcraft called "moving of the ball" I think one of the commentators called it?
What is this of which they speak? Are there others that find space and make themselves available to receive the spherical object so that they can quickly advance? Does such wizardry exist?
Such black arts were banished from Villa Park a long long time ago.
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Gana started off well last season.
Looking at him now it's probable he just got bogged down with the whole ineptitude last season and he's playing in a much better and more confident team with a clearly defined role.
What I didn't like about him though was how quickly he downed tools as soon as we went 1 down. He would lose the ball and just jog back. Be interesting to see what he's like when Everton go on a poor run.
And on the basis of seeing their last two games, he's usually got an easy out ball due to them using some witchcraft called "moving of the ball" I think one of the commentators called it?
What is this of which they speak? Are there others that find space and make themselves available to receive the spherical object so that they can quickly advance? Does such wizardry exist?
Such black arts were banished from Villa Park a long long time ago.
I reckon it's one of those things my dad drones on about, "Nat Lofthouse, shoulder charge, wing-halves, moving off the ball....."
Just white noise these days.
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We've had about 8 managers in the last 10 years and none of them have ever come up with anyone imaginative from a throw in. That fits the moving off the ball routine to me.
Winds me up when we get a throw in all the players just stand in their positions waiting for the ball to be thrown rather than someone coming short to receive it and try to drag a defender or two out of position.
Basics that no manager we appoint ever seems interested in.
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From an article on the Guardian (where he is hailed as the 'signing of the season so far')
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/sep/23/everton-idrissa-gueye-i-am-a-perfectionist
“...I want to thank my family and friends for supporting me during a very difficult time last season at Aston Villa. It was a difficult period with the results and relegation and afterwards I was waiting for a new club to come in for me. They were all supporting me and praying for me and here we are today. I would also like to say thanks to the manager and Steve and everyone at Everton who made the move happen.”
It must've been so traumatic for him. How nice that another club came in and saved him from the terrible mess (he and others had caused).
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From an article on the Guardian (where he is hailed as the 'signing of the season so far')
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/sep/23/everton-idrissa-gueye-i-am-a-perfectionist
...I want to thank my family and friends for supporting me during a very difficult time last season at Aston Villa. It was a difficult period with the results and relegation and afterwards I was waiting for a new club to come in for me. They were all supporting me and praying for me and here we are today. I would also like to say thanks to the manager and Steve and everyone at Everton who made the move happen.
It must've been so traumatic for him. How nice that another club came in and saved him from the terrible mess (he and others had caused).
Oh pass the fuc***g bucket...
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From an article on the Guardian (where he is hailed as the 'signing of the season so far')
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/sep/23/everton-idrissa-gueye-i-am-a-perfectionist
“...I want to thank my family and friends for supporting me during a very difficult time last season at Aston Villa. It was a difficult period with the results and relegation and afterwards I was waiting for a new club to come in for me. They were all supporting me and praying for me and here we are today. I would also like to say thanks to the manager and Steve and everyone at Everton who made the move happen.”
It must've been so traumatic for him. How nice that another club came in and saved him from the terrible mess (he and others had caused).
Symptomatic of the shit pit we have become im afraid.
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Poor lamb
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I would have thought it was absolutely horrible for everyone concerned, so the comments seem fair enough to me
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I reckon he was waiting for another club from about December onwards, the twat.
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I reckon he was waiting for another club from about December onwards, the twat.
Just as David platt probably was at Bari. Why on earth wouldn't you?!
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I reckon he was waiting for another club from about December onwards, the twat.
Just as David platt probably was at Bari. Why on earth wouldn't you?!
Huh? I'm talking about Idrissa Gueye - he who started really well but then lost interest after about 8 games. Not David Platt, record goal scoring midfielder from an eventually successful period in our history. I don't know why this has particularly wound me up, I'm pretty immune to this suff these days.
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I reckon he was waiting for another club from about December onwards, the twat.
Just as David platt probably was at Bari. Why on earth wouldn't you?!
Huh? I'm talking about Idrissa Gueye - he who started really well but then lost interest after about 8 games. Not David Platt, record goal scoring midfielder from an eventually successful period in our history. I don't know why this has particularly wound me up, I'm pretty immune to this suff these days.
Good point. Even though he is a knob Platty paid his dues unlike Gueye. I have too many Evertonian friends at the moment. I pray he falls on his arse.
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Pray for a cup game against Everton so we can show him that we are better than he gives us credit for.
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From an article on the Guardian (where he is hailed as the 'signing of the season so far')
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/sep/23/everton-idrissa-gueye-i-am-a-perfectionist
“...I want to thank my family and friends for supporting me during a very difficult time last season at Aston Villa. It was a difficult period with the results and relegation and afterwards I was waiting for a new club to come in for me. They were all supporting me and praying for me and here we are today. I would also like to say thanks to the manager and Steve and everyone at Everton who made the move happen.”
It must've been so traumatic for him. How nice that another club came in and saved him from the terrible mess (he and others had caused).
To be fair I wanted someone to save me from the nightmare last season, lucky Gana.
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Pray for a cup game against Everton so we can show him that we are better than he gives us credit for.
That's a nice way of looking at it Brian. I wonder when we can start trusting our current squad to start reclaiming stolen pride. I must admit I despair of how long it is taking. My brother played footy with a lad called Brian 'Greeny' Green. He went on to join the RM but don't know what became of him.
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There are plenty of scores to be settled Tayls once we get our act back together again and we will. There are plenty of footballing Greens but alas not I.
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This is the guy people thought we should keep...
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Idrissa! Why are you so beasttly to us?
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A squad of players who realise that the buck stops with them and are happy to roll their sleeves up and grind out a winning season will do for me Stirchley.
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You make an excellent point there Tayls. Too much time and anger has been expended on the side issues of our fall, real and awful as they have been, but the fundamental malaise at the club has been caused by the players. Dopey owner? Yes. Incompetents executives? Yes. Weak/Supine/Self seeking/Stupid managers? Most certainly. But throughout all our pain the single failing that runs through our recent history is the players almost without exception being like Idrissa Gueye not doing their best on the field of play for the club paying their wages.
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He might start to go missing now that Everton have lost a couple of games.
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Idrissa Gueye refuses to wear PSG shirt featuring rainbow symbol
PSG boss Mauricio Pochettino said only that Gueye missed the game for "personal reasons" 👀
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/61492696
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Poch...has he ever showed any integrity? Would be great to hear a modern manager who has an actual opinion about things that are going on in the world.
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Idrissa Gueye refuses to wear PSG shirt featuring rainbow symbol
PSG boss Mauricio Pochettino said only that Gueye missed the game for "personal reasons" 👀
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/61492696
Yes it was personal reasons he spent the time away "praying for a cure for the unfortunate".
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I see sarr and kouyate have also outed themselves as wankers, too
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I see sarr and kouyate have also outed themselves as wankers, too
Nice.:)
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I see sarr and kouyate have also outed themselves as wankers, too
Indeed - shameful stuff.
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We accept all peoples religious beliefs normally so why (if this is the assumed reasoning behind his choice) is he not allowed to make that choice?
He has not called anyone out or criticised the activity - he just does not want to support it
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Why should we accept people's religious beliefs when they're based on hatred? There is nothing within the Quran that explicitly forbids same sex relationships, anyway, so he is just using a non-existent chapter to justify his bigotry.
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We accept all peoples religious beliefs normally so why (if this is the assumed reasoning behind his choice) is he not allowed to make that choice?
He is allowed. This is proven by the fact that he has done it.
People are then also allowed to think he's a twat.
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We accept all peoples religious beliefs normally so why (if this is the assumed reasoning behind his choice) is he not allowed to make that choice?
He has not called anyone out or criticised the activity - he just does not want to support it
He should be allowed to, and we should be allowed to criticise him for it.
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Exactly that - he can make that choice and face the consequences for that choice. Personally I think he’s a twat.
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There's a very fine line between I don't agree with it, and I don't believe it should be allowed. Those who support Gueye's right to choose are likely to be the very same that want to remove that right from James McClean every autumn.
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We accept all peoples religious beliefs normally so why (if this is the assumed reasoning behind his choice) is he not allowed to make that choice?
He has not called anyone out or criticised the activity - he just does not want to support it
We do not "accept all people's religious beliefs". If those beliefs break our laws, we don't accept them. Discrimination against someone based on their sexuality is against the law here, and also in France. Though homosexuality itself is still illegal in Senegal.
And for the record, he HAS been allowed to make that choice. But the more liberal-minded in society are also free to criticise him for it. But whether effectively going on strike when his employer asked him wear a symbol in support of LGBT rights is against the law in France, or not, I have no idea. I suspect he's broken no laws, but might be charged with something by the football association of France.
It will also cost him in the eyes of the public, which is a threat to his commercial sponsorship deals etc, but as his career is winding down now anyway, I suspect that will be of little concern to him.
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There's a very fine line between I don't agree with it, and I don't believe it should be allowed. Those who support Gueye's right to choose are likely to be the very same that want to remove that right from James McClean every autumn.
I expect that the people who think that footballers should "stay out of politics and just concentrate on the football" probably pop up in that Venn diagram as well.
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There's a very fine line between I don't agree with it, and I don't believe it should be allowed. Those who support Gueye's right to choose are likely to be the very same that want to remove that right from James McClean every autumn.
The difference, though subtle, is that the poppy is not the symbol for a group protected by discrimination laws. Refusing to be associated in any way with the poppy and what it stands for might be abhorrent to some people, but the people supported by the royal legion are not a protected or persecuted group.
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Exactly that - he can make that choice and face the consequences for that choice. Personally I think he’s a twat.
I agree with Paul, and also think he's a twat.
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Exactly that - he can make that choice and face the consequences for that choice. Personally I think he’s a twat.
I agree with Paul, and also think he's a twat.
Yep, sums it up nicely.
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I want to be careful how I word this, so to start off I will say I am a supporter of the rainbow campaign and Villa and Proud. I thought the rainbow laces campaign was brilliant and bought a few pairs myself. I also have a Villa and Proud badge which I was happy to wear to games (before I misplaced it)
With that established, my initial reaction was that it was really poor by Gueye. But we have to be careful here, all he has chosen to do is to not wear something. So far as I am aware he has not made any descriminatatory statements or taken any descriminatatory actions. The whole point of the rainbow campaign (and the kneeling etc) is to raise awareness and show support for the causes in question. The fact that there are those of us who postively want to do this is surely what it is all about? If it then becomes an enforced uniform or gesture, then in my view it loses some of that impact.
So whilst we can all read between the lines here, the truth is all he has chosen to do is not support something. I wouldn't be particularly happy if it was a Villa player, but equally I think we should be cautious about demanding that punishments are dished out etc. People must be allowed to have their own thoughts and opinions so long as they don't overstep a line and encourage hate. I don't think what Gueye has done here (or not done) crosses that line. Now if he goes beyond this and starts making homophobic statements etc, then that woud be a different matter entirely.
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For me you are either supportive or you’re against gay rights. There’s no middle ground, and again he absolutely has a choice. He’s exercised that choice and I personally think he’s a twat for the stance he’s taken.
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I want to be careful how I word this, so to start off I will say I am a supporter of the rainbow campaign and Villa and Proud. I thought the rainbow laces campaign was brilliant and bought a few pairs myself. I also have a Villa and Proud badge which I was happy to wear to games (before I misplaced it)
With that established, my initial reaction was that it was really poor by Gueye. But we have to be careful here, all he has chosen to do is to not wear something. So far as I am aware he has not made any descriminatatory statements or taken any descriminatatory actions. The whole point of the rainbow campaign (and the kneeling etc) is to raise awareness and show support for the causes in question. The fact that there are those of us who postively want to do this is surely what it is all about? If it then becomes an enforced uniform or gesture, then in my view it loses some of that impact.
So whilst we can all read between the lines here, the truth is all he has chosen to do is not support something. I wouldn't be particularly happy if it was a Villa player, but equally I think we should be cautious about demanding that punishments are dished out etc. People must be allowed to have their own thoughts and opinions so long as they don't overstep a line and encourage hate. I don't think what Gueye has done here (or not done) crosses that line. Now if he goes beyond this and starts making homophobic statements etc, then that woud be a different matter entirely.
Nobody's suggested that he should be punished, have they? Unless, by refusing to play, he's in breach of contract or something (in which case, that's on him). I don't think he should be punished, but I feel free to form an opinion. That he's being a dick.
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I think some people have, if not here then elsewhere. Your opinion of him is of course fair enough SE.
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For me you are either supportive or you’re against gay rights. There’s no middle ground, and again he absolutely has a choice. He’s exercised that choice and I personally think he’s a twat for the stance he’s taken.
Spot on, Paul. The same goes for racism. There’s no middle ground unless you're a twat, obviously.
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I want to be careful how I word this, so to start off I will say I am a supporter of the rainbow campaign and Villa and Proud. I thought the rainbow laces campaign was brilliant and bought a few pairs myself. I also have a Villa and Proud badge which I was happy to wear to games (before I misplaced it)
With that established, my initial reaction was that it was really poor by Gueye. But we have to be careful here, all he has chosen to do is to not wear something. So far as I am aware he has not made any descriminatatory statements or taken any descriminatatory actions. The whole point of the rainbow campaign (and the kneeling etc) is to raise awareness and show support for the causes in question. The fact that there are those of us who postively want to do this is surely what it is all about? If it then becomes an enforced uniform or gesture, then in my view it loses some of that impact.
So whilst we can all read between the lines here, the truth is all he has chosen to do is not support something. I wouldn't be particularly happy if it was a Villa player, but equally I think we should be cautious about demanding that punishments are dished out etc. People must be allowed to have their own thoughts and opinions so long as they don't overstep a line and encourage hate. I don't think what Gueye has done here (or not done) crosses that line. Now if he goes beyond this and starts making homophobic statements etc, then that woud be a different matter entirely.
That over simplifies it though, if it was choosing not to attend an optional event organised by the club then that would be one thing but by refusing to play what he's actually done is refuse to do his job.
I don't think the law or french football authorities can or should do anything but I'd be surprised if PSG aren't very annoyed with him.
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I want to be careful how I word this, so to start off I will say I am a supporter of the rainbow campaign and Villa and Proud. I thought the rainbow laces campaign was brilliant and bought a few pairs myself. I also have a Villa and Proud badge which I was happy to wear to games (before I misplaced it)
With that established, my initial reaction was that it was really poor by Gueye. But we have to be careful here, all he has chosen to do is to not wear something. So far as I am aware he has not made any descriminatatory statements or taken any descriminatatory actions. The whole point of the rainbow campaign (and the kneeling etc) is to raise awareness and show support for the causes in question. The fact that there are those of us who postively want to do this is surely what it is all about? If it then becomes an enforced uniform or gesture, then in my view it loses some of that impact.
So whilst we can all read between the lines here, the truth is all he has chosen to do is not support something. I wouldn't be particularly happy if it was a Villa player, but equally I think we should be cautious about demanding that punishments are dished out etc. People must be allowed to have their own thoughts and opinions so long as they don't overstep a line and encourage hate. I don't think what Gueye has done here (or not done) crosses that line. Now if he goes beyond this and starts making homophobic statements etc, then that woud be a different matter entirely.
My thoughts and point exactly - he has done nothing wrong
No one criticised Zaha for standing alone on Saturday when every other player took they knee.
I think he is a twat of a man but i would not have a go at him for not doing it as that is his right and no one else should have a go at him either
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For me you are either supportive or you’re against gay rights. There’s no middle ground, and again he absolutely has a choice. He’s exercised that choice and I personally think he’s a twat for the stance he’s taken.
Spot on, Paul. The same goes for racism. There’s no middle ground unless you're a twat, obviously.
Wow that shows up how modern society has become so polarised - and some could say that is why there is so much hate now on both sides of any argument.
"If you do not agree with me then YOU are wrong"
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Pretty transparently true in RCF's two examples.
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People want to make a stand yet will probably watch the World Cup. For me , we should not be taking part in it , the hypocrisy stinks and if England REALLY wanted to they could refuse to play in the tournament.
But elite football is all about money and greed
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For me you are either supportive or you’re against gay rights. There’s no middle ground, and again he absolutely has a choice. He’s exercised that choice and I personally think he’s a twat for the stance he’s taken.
Spot on, Paul. The same goes for racism. There’s no middle ground unless you're a twat, obviously.
Wow that shows up how modern society has become so polarised - and some could say that is why there is so much hate now on both sides of any argument.
"If you do not agree with me then YOU are wrong"
If you're a racist, you are wrong. Surely that's not particularly controversial?
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People want to make a stand yet will probably watch the World Cup. For me , we should not be taking part in it , the hypocrisy stinks and if England REALLY wanted to they could refuse to play in the tournament.
But elite football is all about money and greed
Absolutely, Fred. I'd love to see a criteria countries have to meet other than capacity to hold the event set by FIFA.
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I want to be careful how I word this, so to start off I will say I am a supporter of the rainbow campaign and Villa and Proud. I thought the rainbow laces campaign was brilliant and bought a few pairs myself. I also have a Villa and Proud badge which I was happy to wear to games (before I misplaced it)
With that established, my initial reaction was that it was really poor by Gueye. But we have to be careful here, all he has chosen to do is to not wear something. So far as I am aware he has not made any descriminatatory statements or taken any descriminatatory actions. The whole point of the rainbow campaign (and the kneeling etc) is to raise awareness and show support for the causes in question. The fact that there are those of us who postively want to do this is surely what it is all about? If it then becomes an enforced uniform or gesture, then in my view it loses some of that impact.
So whilst we can all read between the lines here, the truth is all he has chosen to do is not support something. I wouldn't be particularly happy if it was a Villa player, but equally I think we should be cautious about demanding that punishments are dished out etc. People must be allowed to have their own thoughts and opinions so long as they don't overstep a line and encourage hate. I don't think what Gueye has done here (or not done) crosses that line. Now if he goes beyond this and starts making homophobic statements etc, then that woud be a different matter entirely.
That over simplifies it though, if it was choosing not to attend an optional event organised by the club then that would be one thing but by refusing to play what he's actually done is refuse to do his job.
I don't think the law or french football authorities can or should do anything but I'd be surprised if PSG aren't very annoyed with him.
Is anyone else wondering about the inherent contradiction in PSG (with their ownership) supporting such a campaign? Bit like Newcastle's proposed new away kit having the rainbow logo on.
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For me you are either supportive or you’re against gay rights. There’s no middle ground, and again he absolutely has a choice. He’s exercised that choice and I personally think he’s a twat for the stance he’s taken.
Spot on, Paul. The same goes for racism. There’s no middle ground unless you're a twat, obviously.
Wow that shows up how modern society has become so polarised - and some could say that is why there is so much hate now on both sides of any argument.
"If you do not agree with me then YOU are wrong"
So what is the middle ground on racism? Is it ok to be a bit racist? Is it ok for people in certain demographics to be racist?
What you're doing here is suggesting that disliking someone because of something they've done (refuse to wear a rainbow shirt) is the same as disliking the idea of LGBT+ representation in sport. That's pretty much direct from the turmp playbook of criticising antifa/blm/etc.
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Exactly that - he can make that choice and face the consequences for that choice. Personally I think he’s a twat.
I agree with Paul, and also think he's a twat.
I don’t think Paul is a twat🙊
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Exactly that - he can make that choice and face the consequences for that choice. Personally I think he’s a twat.
I agree with Paul, and also think he's a twat.
Well I think Paul's ok.
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For me you are either supportive or you’re against gay rights. There’s no middle ground, and again he absolutely has a choice. He’s exercised that choice and I personally think he’s a twat for the stance he’s taken.
Spot on, Paul. The same goes for racism. There’s no middle ground unless you're a twat, obviously.
Wow that shows up how modern society has become so polarised - and some could say that is why there is so much hate now on both sides of any argument.
"If you do not agree with me then YOU are wrong"
I’d say I’m pretty balanced on most things, but when it comes to things like racism or homophobia it’s pretty clear. You are either on the right side of it or the wrong side of it.
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While it's important to respect opinions and perspectives, you have to be a massive fucking prejudiced bell end in 2022 to go as far as refuse to wear a kit with the rainbow flag.
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Unkess he says something we'll never know for sure.
Perhaps he was concerned about the reaction in his country, given its illegal, and that was concerned he'd be arrested etc.
However, I think that's being kind to him.
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He was also happy to play wearing a beer advert on his shirt when he was at Everton, so his religious beliefs seem to be quite selective.
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I want to be careful how I word this, so to start off I will say I am a supporter of the rainbow campaign and Villa and Proud. I thought the rainbow laces campaign was brilliant and bought a few pairs myself. I also have a Villa and Proud badge which I was happy to wear to games (before I misplaced it)
With that established, my initial reaction was that it was really poor by Gueye. But we have to be careful here, all he has chosen to do is to not wear something. So far as I am aware he has not made any descriminatatory statements or taken any descriminatatory actions. The whole point of the rainbow campaign (and the kneeling etc) is to raise awareness and show support for the causes in question. The fact that there are those of us who postively want to do this is surely what it is all about? If it then becomes an enforced uniform or gesture, then in my view it loses some of that impact.
So whilst we can all read between the lines here, the truth is all he has chosen to do is not support something. I wouldn't be particularly happy if it was a Villa player, but equally I think we should be cautious about demanding that punishments are dished out etc. People must be allowed to have their own thoughts and opinions so long as they don't overstep a line and encourage hate. I don't think what Gueye has done here (or not done) crosses that line. Now if he goes beyond this and starts making homophobic statements etc, then that woud be a different matter entirely.
That over simplifies it though, if it was choosing not to attend an optional event organised by the club then that would be one thing but by refusing to play what he's actually done is refuse to do his job.
I don't think the law or french football authorities can or should do anything but I'd be surprised if PSG aren't very annoyed with him.
Is anyone else wondering about the inherent contradiction in PSG (with their ownership) supporting such a campaign? Bit like Newcastle's proposed new away kit having the rainbow logo on.
This. With bells on. The hypocrisy is *chefs kiss*.
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I want to be careful how I word this, so to start off I will say I am a supporter of the rainbow campaign and Villa and Proud. I thought the rainbow laces campaign was brilliant and bought a few pairs myself. I also have a Villa and Proud badge which I was happy to wear to games (before I misplaced it)
With that established, my initial reaction was that it was really poor by Gueye. But we have to be careful here, all he has chosen to do is to not wear something. So far as I am aware he has not made any descriminatatory statements or taken any descriminatatory actions. The whole point of the rainbow campaign (and the kneeling etc) is to raise awareness and show support for the causes in question. The fact that there are those of us who postively want to do this is surely what it is all about? If it then becomes an enforced uniform or gesture, then in my view it loses some of that impact.
So whilst we can all read between the lines here, the truth is all he has chosen to do is not support something. I wouldn't be particularly happy if it was a Villa player, but equally I think we should be cautious about demanding that punishments are dished out etc. People must be allowed to have their own thoughts and opinions so long as they don't overstep a line and encourage hate. I don't think what Gueye has done here (or not done) crosses that line. Now if he goes beyond this and starts making homophobic statements etc, then that woud be a different matter entirely.
My thoughts and point exactly - he has done nothing wrong
No one criticised Zaha for standing alone on Saturday when every other player took they knee.
I think he is a twat of a man but i would not have a go at him for not doing it as that is his right and no one else should have a go at him either
I'll happily have a go at him. There's an enormous difference between the Zaha situation and Gueye's. Zaha is a black man who feels that taking the knee is not the correct way to display his feelings about racism. He is though, rather obviously concerned about racism, so his not taking the knee doesn't mean that he is against Black Lives Matter or other anti-racist messages.
Gueye on the other hand, just appears to be a homophobe, and his refusal to wear the shirt isn't a principled stand because he disagrees with the method of showing support as with Zaha, it's because he's a religious nutjob who doesn't like gay people.
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If I refused to turn up to work, I'd be sacked. If my justification was that I did it because I don't like gay people, I'd be laughed out of the Tribunal. Be a laugh if PSG sack the bigoted twat.
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I'm still amazed he plays for them, he was basically the same as Marv but without the endearing smile.
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I agree with everyone who thinks he's a twat.
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I agree with everyone who thinks he's a twat.
Same here.
I bet Gueye takes the knee before kick off, the hypocritical wanker.