Ray Wilkins joins us

[Villa in Denmark]

With Man U, Rangers and Millwall also on his CV, that's quite a collection of objectionable former employers he has. I wonder if anybody can boast more?

That was a great advert. I've just looked it up on Wikipedia and it only aired ten times.

You forgot arguably the most objectionable of them all. Chelsea.

No, he didn't

He did Richard, he started his career at Chelsea, though he was known as Butch in those distant days.

I never rated him that highly as a player but I do recall him saying something to the extent that the ref should hav been lenient on Hendrie when he was sent off for two yellow cards on his debut at QPR  He seemed genuine when he said it, which is why I recall it.

i was at that match. Most pissed I've ever been at a villa match

Really pissed🍺🍻🍺, or pissed off😨?

Or both?

[Dante Lavelli]

Oh dear 

Ray Wilkins ?

I would really like to know who iniated this appointment. Fox or 'Tactics' ?

Ray Wilkins is a "recovering alcoholic" - 4 times over the limit on his second drunk driving arrest, whilst on bail from his first drunk driving. Jeez.

Whilst he was christened "the crab" as a player --- by the immortal Big Ron ---for always passing easy sideways, rarely finding a forward runner at Chelsea, it is his
Manager /Assitant Manager / Caretaker Manager roles I have a REAL PROBLEM with
his chronology:-

Fulham - SACKED
Chelsea - SACKED
Watford - SACKED
Millwall - "Went with Wise"
England U21s - Dispensed/ Not retained
Chelsea (again)- Publicly advised "contract not going to be renewed - will leave immediately" 6 months early

Fulham (again) - 2 months - removed

Whatever it is about him, God Knows, but his average time as a Manager or Assistant Manager, Coach or Caretaker...is....... 8 and a half months.

His average life as a pundit, TV/Radio goes into years.

Chris Evans  once said (after Ray had bad-mouthed Gazza for being a drunk --YES  ) that Ray Wilkins was photgraphed more, coming out of Soho Square FA Headquarters, whilst out of work, than Gazza had ever been outside a pub or club.
Evans would know, as he was doing TFI -(whatever his Friday C4 show was called  )
at that time and would have had all the papp & goss rubbish.

Ray Wilkins is a networker/brown-noser supreme, imo, wherever he has worked, what on Earth has he achieved?

How long has he kept a job ?

Some managers they say are good for 6-9 months, same for their coaches.

We have an excellent Asst Manager/Coach already - why do we need Wilkins ?

 

Probably over egging it a bit, but I do share some of these concerns.  He does not strike me a person who has any depth of knowledge or coaching ability other than having played to a high level.  That said I do not think he is the sort who will be around for a long time and having fresh faces and new ideas constantly being introduced into the coaching team will be a good thing. 

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Isn't he widely considered to be an excellent coach?

[alftitimus]

I don't mean to be rude, but that post was hilariously bad and basically absolute rubbish. Bringing Chris Evans into a post about football says it all really.

It was to enlighten about the 'hypocrisy' of said Wilkins. Hilariously bad as you think it was.
You hilariously missed the point.

With his additional wages ...and eventual pay-off, do we have money to burn now?

Bad, bad signing imo.
Or has Tim elevated himself into the Fergie/Jose echelon, wherein he makes the occasional visit to training but concentrates on the media and PR ?
That seems a bit too early in his career, so I don't really understand the size of our backroom.
Another planet compared to Lambert's back-up.

[Dave]

I don't mean to be rude, but that post was hilariously bad and basically absolute rubbish. Bringing Chris Evans into a post about football says it all really.

It was to enlighten about the 'hypocrisy' of said Wilkins. Hilariously bad as you think it was.
You hilariously missed the point.

I'm not sure there was a point for him to miss.

What does what a random radio presenter with no connection to football had to say about Ray Wilkins two decades ago have to do with his abilities as a coach?

[alftitimus]

Isn't he widely considered to be an excellent coach?

Who by ?

He's worked or hung around London based clubs, is media-savvy and like Venables / Hoddle / Redknapp etc, has a plethora of supporters amongst the free-loading journos.

As Tommy Docherty once said of him as a player:
"He can't run, can't tackle and can't head the ball. The only time he gets forward is to toss the coin"

Perhaps it's those skills he is going to pass on?

[Ger Regan]

Any discussion of his (or any coach's for that matter) playing abilities is completely pointless, as it really has no bearing on his abilities as a coach.

[silhillvilla]

Isn't he widely considered to be an excellent coach?

Not to my knowledge .
I think this is a fairly bizarre appointment, similar to the Roy Keane PR stunt.

[Toronto Villa]

I don't mean to be rude, but that post was hilariously bad and basically absolute rubbish. Bringing Chris Evans into a post about football says it all really.

It was to enlighten about the 'hypocrisy' of said Wilkins. Hilariously bad as you think it was.
You hilariously missed the point.

With his additional wages ...and eventual pay-off, do we have money to burn now?

Bad, bad signing imo.
Or has Tim elevated himself into the Fergie/Jose echelon, wherein he makes the occasional visit to training but concentrates on the media and PR ?
That seems a bit too early in his career, so I don't really understand the size of our backroom.
Another planet compared to Lambert's back-up.

I know you are probably trying to come over as really clever but when the manager is always on the training ground, and has stressed that's where he wants to be, how do you come to the conclusion he wants to focus on media and PR?

[Risso]

Hmmm, didn't realise he had two convictions for drink driving.

[dave.woodhall]

Isn't he widely considered to be an excellent coach?

Who by ?

He's worked or hung around London based clubs, is media-savvy and like Venables / Hoddle / Redknapp etc, has a plethora of supporters amongst the free-loading journos.

As Tommy Docherty once said of him as a player:
"He can't run, can't tackle and can't head the ball. The only time he gets forward is to toss the coin"

Perhaps it's those skills he is going to pass on?

By that criteria Ron Atkinson and Alex Ferguson would both be poor managers.

[ChicagoLion]

lets see how the team plays

[silhillvilla]

Hmmm, didn't realise he had two convictions for drink driving.

Yep, he got the second whilst already banned for DD ! Was very very lucky to not do some porridge for that.
Didn't realise the extent of his drink issues .

[ChicagoLion]

Hmmm, didn't realise he had two convictions for drink driving.

Yep, he got the second whilst already banned for DD ! Was very very lucky to not do some porridge for that.
Didn't realise the extent of his drink issues .

not serious, only drinks when awake.

[Dante Lavelli]

Isn't he widely considered to be an excellent coach?

I admit that I have heard that from journalists etc but I think that might be because he panders to their wants.  What I will say is that if he had any particular insight into the game then you'd think he'd demonstrate it whilst commentating or as a pundit.  He rarely does in my opinion.  My guess is that he is a coach which specialises in banter and keeping the troop's morale up rather than tactics, which is fine, as long as that base is covered by other people.