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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: edgysatsuma89 on June 25, 2015, 10:50:05 AM
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He's just confirmed on SSN that he is joining our coaching staff.
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TRIFFIC
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Didn't he used to do the voice overs for those adds, where the orange Tango man would slap people.
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Didn't see that coming. Has a great reputation as a coach in the game. Only thing is, where does it leave Kevin Macdonald?
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Didn't he used to do the voice overs for those adds, where the orange Tango man would slap people.
one of his many talents
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We are going to have more coaches than full backs.
Maybe he is Cleverly's replacement. Instead of young and hungry, we have gone old and bald.
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We are going to have more coaches than full backs.
All of whom could play better at full back than the full backs themselves. I like Wilkins. He talks a lot of sense and whilst being quite softly spoken he is also firm in his opinions. he seemed well liked and respected by the Chelsea players.
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Wilkins is supposed to be a very good coach.
I actually thought Kevin Mac had been brought in as Sherwood's number two?
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We are going to have more coaches than full backs.
Maybe he is Cleverly's replacement. Instead of young and hungry, we have gone old and bald.
I am ready
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I remember hearing him do commentary on Spurs at Inter in the CL a couple of years ago in which he sounded pissed, and kept saying "stay on your feet, stay on your feet" all the time.
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That Tango ad with the Felix soundtrack was great - I preferred it to the "slap" advert.
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We are going to have more coaches than full backs.
Maybe he is Cleverly's replacement. Instead of young and hungry, we have gone old and bald.
I am ready
You beat me to it.....I can do pissed pretty well too if that helps
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He's meant to be a very good coach.
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I remember hearing him do commentary on Spurs at Inter in the CL a couple of years ago in which he sounded pissed, and kept saying "stay on your feet, stay on your feet" all the time.
He's got a reputation for liking his drink. And a reputation for driving home when he pissed.
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Very pleased to hear this - great move by Tim. What a contrast to the appointment of Keane by Lambert!
First Kevin Mac and now Wilkins, for me, both very positive and extremely welcome appointments.
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Didn't he used to do the voice overs for those adds, where the orange Tango man would slap people.
one of his many talents
See this......................Godzvilla!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=43&v=NhOeG-uTJxw
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Could be a decent appointment, I hope he gets some decent midfielders to work with.
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Shrewd appointment by Tim Sherwood. I felt the coaching team was lacking a bit of top flight coaching experience and tactical nous, so this is a welcome appointment.
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Thumbs up from me - I have always really liked him and that is quite something coming from me given his Chelsea connections
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Wilkins is supposed to be a very good coach.
I actually thought Kevin Mac had been brought in as Sherwood's number two?
In the interview he did mention K Mac and just said that he would be working alongside him. They can fight it out.
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Will also raise our profile amongst the London-obsessed media
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So who is our coaching staff now?
Wilkins, KMac, Sid?, Tony Parks?
FWIW I definitely think this is a good appointment. Loads of experience, said to be an excellent coach, a calm head and what not. He's the diametric opposite to Roy Keane.
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So who is our coaching staff now?
Wilkins, KMac, Sid?, Tony Parks?
FWIW I definitely think this is a good appointment. Loads of experience, said to be an excellent coach, a calm head and what not. He's the diametric opposite to Roy Keane.
And, one might say, Tim
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Thumbs up from me - I have always really liked him and that is quite something coming from me given his Chelsea connections
With Man U, Rangers and Millwall also on his CV, that's quite a collection of objectionable former employers he has. I wonder if anybody can boast more?
That Tango ad with the Felix soundtrack was great - I preferred it to the "slap" advert.
That was a great advert. I've just looked it up on Wikipedia and it only aired ten times.
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I thought there might be another coach come in this summer, because I think Tim wanted Ramsey. By missing out on Ramsey, I think we have ended up with a better option for us. Good experience handling big players, Chelsea lot loved him as a coach, will no doubt keep Tim on the ground a bit which he needs, and should work well with KMac. Can't see a negative to it. We finally have a decent robust looking coaching staff which looked totally haphazard under Mr Lambert.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/11698074/Aston-Villa-to-appoint-Ray-Wilkins-as-assistant-manager.html
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I remember hearing him do commentary on Spurs at Inter in the CL a couple of years ago in which he sounded pissed, and kept saying "stay on your feet, stay on your feet" all the time.
To himself?
Had to do something similar myself at the semi-final.
Not clever, just saying like.
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Excellent signing. Now if we can get some players in, I'll be looking forward to being entertained for a change!
Still all feels a bit weird with the club up for sale, mind. Lends me to think, in my own tiny mind, that news on that front may be in the offing. Not getting my hopes up, like, but Timmy must've got the green light on this from somewhere, it being another on the backroom payroll. Getting Wilkins in doesn't seem the sort of thing to do short-term.
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Thumbs up from me - I have always really liked him and that is quite something coming from me given his Chelsea connections
With Man U, Rangers and Millwall also on his CV, that's quite a collection of objectionable former employers he has. I wonder if anybody can boast more?
That Tango ad with the Felix soundtrack was great - I preferred it to the "slap" advert.
That was a great advert. I've just looked it up on Wikipedia and it only aired ten times.
I actually knew him a bit at Rangers as I was on the management team at Turnberry where they used to come and stay before cup finals. He was a really nice guy, always had time to chat to staff, many of whom were obsessive Rangers fans and for whom he made their day. Ally McCoist was another top guy. The less said about Graham Roberts though the better...
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ps: seems a pretty good appointment to me - level-headed, experienced, won stuff and not Roy Keane.
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Welcome to the Crab as my Dad used to call him....do us proud Ray.
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Happy with this, good reputation and fills an obvious gap, we've been badly under-coached for years so it's nice to have a manager who wants to focus on coaching and CEO who will back him up.
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Welcome to the Crab as my Dad used to call him....do us proud Ray.
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Yer Dad?? Fk me, I feel old now you've said that.
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I don't like the guy at all, but as long as he keeps a low profile, I'm not too bothered.
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He was definitely very well respected as a Coach at Chelsea from what I have read. Great appointment.
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Quite a surprise, welcome and good luck.
How long into his first interview will he refer to the players as "these young men"?
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I would've thought that the last thing we need is someone to tell the players to past it sidyways even more than they do now!
But, seriously, ladeezungenelmen, I think it is a decent appointment.
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Great stuff. IIRC, his stint at Chelsea as assistant manager under Ancelotti coincided with them playing some absolutely blinding football.
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Welcome to the Crab as my Dad used to call him....do us proud Ray.
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Yes. We already know how to pass the ball sideways and back. In fact, we're pretty adept at it.
Only joking, I'm sure he'll add something to the squad it terms of knowing who on the pitch is doing the job they're supposed to be doing.
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No hair, Wilkins has got no hair, Wilkins has got no hair, Wilkins has got no hair.
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Thumbs up from me - I have always really liked him and that is quite something coming from me given his Chelsea connections
With Man U, Rangers and Millwall also on his CV, that's quite a collection of objectionable former employers he has. I wonder if anybody can boast more?
That Tango ad with the Felix soundtrack was great - I preferred it to the "slap" advert.
That was a great advert. I've just looked it up on Wikipedia and it only aired ten times.
That's actually a very good question, I wonder if anyone has played for all four of Man U, Leeds, Blues and Coventry. They would probably have developed horns.
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Great appointment by the way, and I almost posted the Wilkins has got no hair chant myself. I remember him taking it in good humour though.
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Well respected and he may well work on Sanchez's premiership game. Could be an inspired move.
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i think this is a great move, and continues to point to the takeover being nearly done.
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Welcome to the Crab as my Dad used to call him....do us proud Ray.
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I remember him as The Crab, too.
I'd not seen a picture of him for a long time and was struck by the fact that in this picture:
(http://i.guim.co.uk/static/w-1920/h--/q-95/sys-images/Sport/Pix/pictures/2015/6/25/1435230801977/Ray-Wilkins-009.jpg)
he seems to have morphed into Mohamed Al Fayed since the last time I saw him.
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He was definitely very well respected as a Coach at Chelsea from what I have read. Great appointment.
Well they did go backwards in the season when they got rid of him supposedly against Ancelotti's wishes. Whether that was because of him leaving or the obvious rifts that lead to it (certain player power, differences between footballing staff and board members).
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Welcome to the Crab as my Dad used to call him....do us proud Ray.
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I remember him as The Crab, too.
I'd not seen a picture of him for a long time and was struck by the fact that in this picture:
(http://i.guim.co.uk/static/w-1920/h--/q-95/sys-images/Sport/Pix/pictures/2015/6/25/1435230801977/Ray-Wilkins-009.jpg)
he seems to have morphed into Mohamed Al Fayed since the last time I saw him.
That shirt is crazy.
He also looks a bit like Gregg Wallace.
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I think this is a tremendous appointment, the bloke has vast knowledge of football and always talks sense.
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I think this is a tremendous appointment, the bloke has vast knowledge of football and always talks sense.
Not on official site yet?
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I think this is a tremendous appointment, the bloke has vast knowledge of football and always talks sense.
Not on official site yet?
By all accounts he announced it on TV this morning, am at work so unsure.
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Yes he did announce it on Sky I saw it. Been talking to Tim for 2 weeks.
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I think this is a tremendous appointment, the bloke has vast knowledge of football and always talks sense.
Not on official site yet?
By all accounts he announced it on TV this morning, am at work so unsure.
as said on SSN...
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11677/9894709/ray-wilkins-set-for-coaching-role-at-aston-villa
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One-Way-Wanker-Wilkins I used to call him. Can't do that anymore if he joins us. Anyway, if it happens, welcome Ray and, I'm sorry. ;)
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I think this is a tremendous appointment, the bloke has vast knowledge of football and always talks sense.
"Cech still has so much to offer at 33 and he didn't play last year so he is actually 32." Always talks sense? ;)
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FFS at this rate we will have more coaches than players soon ;)
#StayOnYourFeet #avfc
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I would say it is another sign new owner or owners are coming in and that the managers job is safe in the medium term. He might be a good coach but we need decent players for him to work with.
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Blimey we actually have a fully fledged backroom team now.
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I would say it is another sign new owner or owners are coming in and that the managers job is safe in the medium term. He might be a good coach but we need decent players for him to work with.
Or Randy is staying put.
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One-Way-Wanker-Wilkins I used to call him. Can't do that anymore if he joins us. Anyway, if it happens, welcome Ray and, I'm sorry. ;)
I think this is a tremendous appointment, the bloke has vast knowledge of football and always talks sense.
"Cech still has so much to offer at 33 and he didn't play last year so he is actually 32." Always talks sense? ;)
As I say, he always takes sense :-(
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I would say it is another sign new owner or owners are coming in and that the managers job is safe in the medium term. He might be a good coach but we need decent players for him to work with.
Or Randy is staying put.
Exactly. I would only say it'a a sign of new owners coming in if they lack ambition.
Underwhelmed TBH.
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Not sure.
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I would say it is another sign new owner or owners are coming in and that the managers job is safe in the medium term. He might be a good coach but we need decent players for him to work with.
Or Randy is staying put.
Exactly. I would only say it'a a sign of new owners coming in if they lack ambition.
Underwhelmed TBH.
Explain how you are 'underwhelmed'? We've hired a highly rated and respected assistant manager who worked under Ancellotti and Hiddink with great success.
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The backroom staff could make a midfield of Cowans-Sherwood-Wilkins.
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I would say it is another sign new owner or owners are coming in and that the managers job is safe in the medium term. He might be a good coach but we need decent players for him to work with.
Or Randy is staying put.
Exactly. I would only say it'a a sign of new owners coming in if they lack ambition.
Underwhelmed TBH.
Explain how you are 'underwhelmed'? We've hired a highly rated and respected assistant manager who worked under Ancellotti and Hiddink with great success.
All well and good, but he has also coached at Fulham and was sacked.
I am not saying he is a bad coach but it is about the players. Unless we invest in players that are better than those we currently have what realistically is going to change?
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I've always thought Wilkins was a boring twat,
Kept Mortimer out of the England team by playing sideways danger free football, I remember one World Cup he went too, best thing that happened was he got injured/sent off can't remember which, but as soon as he was out of the team England started playing better
Most overrated footballer of all times
as a pundit he never says anything of interest, boring brown noseing rubbish mostly, he is a proper middle lane driver to scared to upset anyone, he's always 'delighted' with stuff, and playing more straight bats than Boycot
He bores me to tears
His time in management had been a total disaster area, I think he's a better coach,
Apart from that he might be OK as a sidekick to Sherwood and K Mac
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Decent move for me. Well liked and respected coach to add to the team. There was precious little coaching done under Lambert.
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Kept Mortimer out of the England team by playing sideways danger free football, I remember one World Cup he went too, best thing that happened was he got injured/sent off can't remember which, but as soon as he was out of the team England started playing better
'86, I think. When Robson injured his shoulder, too.
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https://www.facebook.com/AstonVillaTheInformer/videos/vb.500950080018066/762150170564721/?type=2&theater
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I've always thought Wilkins was a boring twat,
Kept Mortimer out of the England team by playing sideways danger free football, I remember one World Cup he went too, best thing that happened was he got injured/sent off can't remember which, but as soon as he was out of the team England started playing better
Most overrated footballer of all times
as a pundit he never says anything of interest, boring brown noseing rubbish mostly, he is a proper middle lane driver to scared to upset anyone, he's always 'delighted' with stuff, and playing more straight bats than Boycot
He bores me to tears
His time in management had been a total disaster area, I think he's a better coach,
Apart from that he might be OK as a sidekick to Sherwood and K Mac
So overall your pleased then?
Welcome Ray
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Not my cup if tea, but I'd give anyone a chance after what we have put up with over the past three or four seasons.
My only immediate questions mark would be about his hunger and desire at this age and that this is not another PR stunt like the hiring of Keane.
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Looking at his photo, I'm reminded of Uncle Fester
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Decent appointment in my eyes. He's the final piece of the backroom jigsaw now to focus on getting some quality,hungry players who will be proud to wear the claret & blue shirt!
Really can't understand those that aren't happy!
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Good appointment as long as it is not at K-Mac's expense.
He looks like Baron Greenback to me...
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My immediate concern is we've just got the lads to actually start passing the ball forwards a bit more and now in comes the CEO of square balls.
I hope this isn't a detrimental move.
Also some of his post match interviews make my skin crawl.
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I'm glad he he's on board good player back in the day.
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I think he's a good appointment but I agree he does bore me to tears. As long as we improve on the pitch I couldn't give a shit.
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The sideways pass thing was more to do with the British attitude to football in the 1980s. If you weren't banging it forward you were considered shite.
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Well at least Sherwood realises he can't do the job on his own, unlike lambert.
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A great deal of players improve beyond recognition when a decent coach gets hold of them. If Lambert had bothered to concede not every skill can be taught by having two nutters bark at you in the piss rain, he may have been able to make better use of his squad. I think this is a good move for us.
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I'm not sure what to make of all this. My main concern is with Delph who I often say plays like Ray Wilkins for 35 minutes and then Platini for the remainder.
My abiding memory of Wilkins as a player, other than his negative passing, was when he was playing for England. I think it was away to Saudi Arabia, the ball goes out of play for an England throw in, Wilkins runs over to take it and screams at the ballboy, "Give me that facking ball". My mother was not impressed.
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With Man U, Rangers and Millwall also on his CV, that's quite a collection of objectionable former employers he has. I wonder if anybody can boast more?
That was a great advert. I've just looked it up on Wikipedia and it only aired ten times.
You forgot arguably the most objectionable of them all. Chelsea.
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With Man U, Rangers and Millwall also on his CV, that's quite a collection of objectionable former employers he has. I wonder if anybody can boast more?
That was a great advert. I've just looked it up on Wikipedia and it only aired ten times.
You forgot arguably the most objectionable of them all. Chelsea.
No, he didn't
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Kept Mortimer out of the England team by playing sideways danger free football, I remember one World Cup he went too, best thing that happened was he got injured/sent off can't remember which, but as soon as he was out of the team England started playing better
'86, I think. When Robson injured his shoulder, too.
And as John says, we were much better without either of them.
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Kept Mortimer out of the England team by playing sideways danger free football, I remember one World Cup he went too, best thing that happened was he got injured/sent off can't remember which, but as soon as he was out of the team England started playing better
'86, I think. When Robson injured his shoulder, too.
And as John says, we were much better without either of them.
especially Robson
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Against Portugal wasn't it?
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Someone else whose sideways passing, a la Wilkins, used to drive me nuts was Steve Hunt.
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One of the things Sherwood has committed to is bringing in players who understand a winning culture. Wilkins for almost all of his football career has been around that. So as much as he is a good coach he will also offer another very positive perspective to Sherwood and the players. We have a culture of losing at Villa that we have to shake free from. Bringing in players and coaches that aren't used to are good forward steps towards that goal.
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So long as Tony Adams doesn't join too......
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So long as Tony Adams doesn't join too......
The fact that Tony Adams is a complete div should hopefully see to that.
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Well this impending appointment answers one question I had last month after the end of the season. Which was did TS have the right people in the right back room jobs? It is now clear he did not think so and has taken action to rectify the issue.
Looking at Wiki 'Raymondo' shares my birth date. Except he is 12 years younger, but looks a lot older !!!
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Good appointment, I prefer him coming in to the Keane decision last summer anyway.
If the bloke was capable enough to be the Chelsea number two when they were winning the league, I'm sure he's good enough to perform the same role here.
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Well this impending appointment answers one question I had last month after the end of the season. Which was did TS have the right people in the right back room jobs? It is now clear he did not think so and has taken action to rectify the issue.
I'm not sure what you're getting at.
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Kept Mortimer out of the England team by playing sideways danger free football, I remember one World Cup he went too, best thing that happened was he got injured/sent off can't remember which, but as soon as he was out of the team England started playing better
'86, I think. When Robson injured his shoulder, too.
And as John says, we were much better without either of them.
especially Robson
I agree with all three of you. The only problem is that the improvement that occured as a result of those two being involved also coincided with he-that-cannot-be-named taking one of their places.
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So Festa has joined,
I am now very confident Tony Donkey Adams consortium are in for us.
Welcome to the Adams Family
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This could actually be one coach too many .
The dugout is going to be as congested as a UB40 stage
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With Man U, Rangers and Millwall also on his CV, that's quite a collection of objectionable former employers he has. I wonder if anybody can boast more?
That was a great advert. I've just looked it up on Wikipedia and it only aired ten times.
You forgot arguably the most objectionable of them all. Chelsea.
No, he didn't
He did Richard, he started his career at Chelsea, though he was known as Butch in those distant days.
I never rated him that highly as a player but I do recall him saying something to the extent that the ref should hav been lenient on Hendrie when he was sent off for two yellow cards on his debut at QPR He seemed genuine when he said it, which is why I recall it.
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With Man U, Rangers and Millwall also on his CV, that's quite a collection of objectionable former employers he has. I wonder if anybody can boast more?
That was a great advert. I've just looked it up on Wikipedia and it only aired ten times.
You forgot arguably the most objectionable of them all. Chelsea.
No, he didn't
He did Richard, he started his career at Chelsea, though he was known as Butch in those distant days.
I never rated him that highly as a player but I do recall him saying something to the extent that the ref should hav been lenient on Hendrie when he was sent off for two yellow cards on his debut at QPR He seemed genuine when he said it, which is why I recall it.
No he didn't Pat! Look back at the original post by Joe C and you will see he was responding to my post in which I had already mentioned Wilkins being at Chelsea. The 'also' ought to give it away. No-one with any sort of football knowledge at all and of a certain age could forget Butch Wilkins at Chelsea with his already thinning hair...
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In which case, humblest apologies for having skim read the first 3 pages a bit too quickly.
Anyway, you can never have too many opportunities to underline how odious Chelsea are.
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My abiding memory of Wilkins as a player, other than his negative passing, was when he was playing for England. I think it was away to Saudi Arabia, the ball goes out of play for an England throw in, Wilkins runs over to take it and screams at the ballboy, "Give me that facking ball". My mother was not impressed.
She knew the risks when she decided to be a ballboy.
Happy with this appointment.
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My abiding memory of Wilkins as a player, other than his negative passing, was when he was playing for England. I think it was away to Saudi Arabia, the ball goes out of play for an England throw in, Wilkins runs over to take it and screams at the ballboy, "Give me that facking ball". My mother was not impressed.
She knew the risks when she decided to be a ballboy.
Happy with this appointment.
So am I.
Hope TSOV's mum is, as well.
And thanks for throwing the ball to our hero, back then; sorry about the language. He's probably more aware of the impact of his comments, these days.
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Happy enough. He has an excellent reputation as a coach. I think it also speaks to Sherwoods self confidence, he knows where he needs help. Much better than Lamberts "I will wing it myself" approach.
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Don't we have Mark Robson there too?
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Against Portugal wasn't it?
Morocco ?
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I remember us losing to Portugal, drawing with Morocco and stuffing Poland in the group. Might have been Morocco.
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Sideways is a good film and crab meat can be pretty tasty.
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I remember us losing to Portugal, drawing with Morocco and stuffing Poland in the group. Might have been Morocco.
If I remember correctly, we lost 1-0 to Portugal, during which Wilkins was sent off. We then drew 0-0 with Morocco, during which Robson did his shoulder in. We then beat Poland 3-0, with Lineker getting all three.
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I remember us losing to Portugal, drawing with Morocco and stuffing Poland in the group. Might have been Morocco.
If I remember correctly, we lost 1-0 to Portugal, during which Wilkins was sent off. We then drew 0-0 with Morocco, during which Robson did his shoulder in. We then beat Poland 3-0, with Lineker getting all three.
I thought Wilkins was sent off against Morocco?
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I remember us losing to Portugal, drawing with Morocco and stuffing Poland in the group. Might have been Morocco.
If I remember correctly, we lost 1-0 to Portugal, during which Wilkins was sent off. We then drew 0-0 with Morocco, during which Robson did his shoulder in. We then beat Poland 3-0, with Lineker getting all three.
I thought Wilkins was sent off against Morocco?
He was for throwing the ball away I think ? and Robson got injured that game
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Robson dislocated his shoulder and Wilkins was sent off for throwing the ball down.
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Robson dislocated his shoulder and Wilkins was sent off for throwing the ball down.
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Seems like yesterday which is frightening, can remember that so well. And yet, ask me the scores in a number of games Villa played last season and I wouldn't recall them at all. Memory is a funny old thing, certainly as you get older!
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I would say enjoy.....
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In which case, humblest apologies for having skim read the first 3 pages a bit too quickly.
Anyway, you can never have too many opportunities to underline how odious Chelsea are.
A sentiment with which I wholeheartedly concur, my loathing of them knows no bounds!
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I would say enjoy.....
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I cried after the Portugal game I was 12 and thought it was the end of the world :-[
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Has he got a new book coming out
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Welcome butch
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I'd say this is a good move. He has good experience has worked at a high level, and is level headed. He could a good sounding board for Sherwood.
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I'd say this is a good move. He has good experience has worked at a high level, and is level headed. He could a good sounding board for Sherwood.
It will only work if he has quality players to work with.
See fulham where he was a disaster.
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I remember us losing to Portugal, drawing with Morocco and stuffing Poland in the group. Might have been Morocco.
If I remember correctly, we lost 1-0 to Portugal, during which Wilkins was sent off. We then drew 0-0 with Morocco, during which Robson did his shoulder in. We then beat Poland 3-0, with Lineker getting all three.
I thought Wilkins was sent off against Morocco?
Sorry, I didn't remember correctly! TIme had split them across the two matches for me.
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Definitely an upgrade on what we've been used to recently and what seems like forever - since Little/Gregory/Evans. He has experience and contacts within the game and a high profile.
That said I couldn't stand him as a player - 86 Caps for passing the ball sideways and a meeja darling to boot. Every thing that was wrong with English football at the time. Excellent goal in Cup Final though
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Definitely an upgrade on what we've been used to recently and what seems like forever - since Little/Gregory/Evans. He has experience and contacts within the game and a high profile.
That said I couldn't stand him as a player - 86 Caps for passing the ball sideways and a meeja darling to boot. Every thing that was wrong with English football at the time. Excellent goal in Cup Final though
I dont remember his playing style that much
I know Big Ron called him the Crab , but he played for Man Utd and AC Milan so he must have had some ability ???
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I'd say this is a good move. He has good experience has worked at a high level, and is level headed. He could a good sounding board for Sherwood.
It will only work if he has quality players to work with.
See fulham where he was a disaster.
So if we have bad players we'll do badly and if we have good players we might do well?
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Definitely an upgrade on what we've been used to recently and what seems like forever - since Little/Gregory/Evans. He has experience and contacts within the game and a high profile.
That said I couldn't stand him as a player - 86 Caps for passing the ball sideways and a meeja darling to boot. Every thing that was wrong with English football at the time. Excellent goal in Cup Final though
I dont remember his playing style that much
I know Big Ron called him the Crab , but he played for Man Utd and AC Milan so he must have had some ability ???
Of course he did. He was a much a victim of the English safety first mentality which probably stifled his creative ability a little. Had a very good first touch.
That said no way did he deserve 86 Caps. No way. Not when a certain Mr G Cowans got a whole 10.
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Definitely an upgrade on what we've been used to recently and what seems like forever - since Little/Gregory/Evans. He has experience and contacts within the game and a high profile.
That said I couldn't stand him as a player - 86 Caps for passing the ball sideways and a meeja darling to boot. Every thing that was wrong with English football at the time. Excellent goal in Cup Final though
I dont remember his playing style that much
I know Big Ron called him the Crab , but he played for Man Utd and AC Milan so he must have had some ability ???
Of course he did. He was a much a victim of the English safety first mentality which probably stifled his creative ability a little. Had a very good first touch.
That said no way did he deserve 86 Caps. No way. Not when a certain Mr G Cowans got a whole 10.
who also played in Italy
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Definitely an upgrade on what we've been used to recently and what seems like forever - since Little/Gregory/Evans. He has experience and contacts within the game and a high profile.
That said I couldn't stand him as a player - 86 Caps for passing the ball sideways and a meeja darling to boot. Every thing that was wrong with English football at the time. Excellent goal in Cup Final though
I dont remember his playing style that much
I know Big Ron called him the Crab , but he played for Man Utd and AC Milan so he must have had some ability ???
Of course he did. He was a much a victim of the English safety first mentality which probably stifled his creative ability a little. Had a very good first touch.
That said no way did he deserve 86 Caps. No way. Not when a certain Mr G Cowans got a whole 10.
and fecking Glenda Hoddle got about 80 too...grrr
UTV
The Doc
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I remember us losing to Portugal, drawing with Morocco and stuffing Poland in the group. Might have been Morocco.
If I remember correctly, we lost 1-0 to Portugal, during which Wilkins was sent off. We then drew 0-0 with Morocco, during which Robson did his shoulder in. We then beat Poland 3-0, with Lineker getting all three.
I thought Wilkins was sent off against Morocco?
He was for throwing the ball away I think ? and Robson got injured that game
the thing that sticks out for me in that game was Wilkins waiting for the ball from the ball boy and shouting "give me the F****** ball" which came over on the TV
quickly followed by Brian Moore apologising
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Definitely an upgrade on what we've been used to recently and what seems like forever - since Little/Gregory/Evans. He has experience and contacts within the game and a high profile.
That said I couldn't stand him as a player - 86 Caps for passing the ball sideways and a meeja darling to boot. Every thing that was wrong with English football at the time. Excellent goal in Cup Final though
I dont remember his playing style that much
I know Big Ron called him the Crab , but he played for Man Utd and AC Milan so he must have had some ability ???
Of course he did. He was a much a victim of the English safety first mentality which probably stifled his creative ability a little. Had a very good first touch.
That said no way did he deserve 86 Caps. No way. Not when a certain Mr G Cowans got a whole 10.
and fecking Glenda Hoddle got about 80 too...grrr
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The Doc
No he didn't - only 53 according the Wikibible. That makes it worse. Hoddle was a much better footballer than Wilkins.
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Definitely an upgrade on what we've been used to recently and what seems like forever - since Little/Gregory/Evans. He has experience and contacts within the game and a high profile.
That said I couldn't stand him as a player - 86 Caps for passing the ball sideways and a meeja darling to boot. Every thing that was wrong with English football at the time. Excellent goal in Cup Final though
I dont remember his playing style that much
I know Big Ron called him the Crab , but he played for Man Utd and AC Milan so he must have had some ability ???
Of course he did. He was a much a victim of the English safety first mentality which probably stifled his creative ability a little. Had a very good first touch.
That said no way did he deserve 86 Caps. No way. Not when a certain Mr G Cowans got a whole 10.
and fecking Glenda Hoddle got about 80 too...grrr
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The Doc
No he didn't - only 53 according the Wikibible. That makes it worse. Hoddle was a much better footballer than Wilkins.
but neither better than our Gordon...:)
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The Doc
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Definitely an upgrade on what we've been used to recently and what seems like forever - since Little/Gregory/Evans. He has experience and contacts within the game and a high profile.
That said I couldn't stand him as a player - 86 Caps for passing the ball sideways and a meeja darling to boot. Every thing that was wrong with English football at the time. Excellent goal in Cup Final though
I dont remember his playing style that much
I know Big Ron called him the Crab , but he played for Man Utd and AC Milan so he must have had some ability ???
Of course he did. He was a much a victim of the English safety first mentality which probably stifled his creative ability a little. Had a very good first touch.
That said no way did he deserve 86 Caps. No way. Not when a certain Mr G Cowans got a whole 10.
and fecking Glenda Hoddle got about 80 too...grrr
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The Doc
No he didn't - only 53 according the Wikibible. That makes it worse. Hoddle was a much better footballer than Wilkins.
but neither better than our Gordon...:)
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The Doc
I agree with Rob. Wilkins and Robson were like Lampard and Gerrard. Lots of people, managers especially, rated them very highly, but they were always a let-down in tournaments. Hoddle, however, really was a great player. Him only getting 53 caps was a joke.
Cowans and Hoddle should have been the first choice midfield. Sid was great in his first nine games. He was there to stay IMO, then he broke his leg.
BTW, anyone remember who got in the side for the next game and made a huge difference? Clue: he was from the same club as the bloke who did exactly the same thing for England at Italia '90.
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Definitely an upgrade on what we've been used to recently and what seems like forever - since Little/Gregory/Evans. He has experience and contacts within the game and a high profile.
That said I couldn't stand him as a player - 86 Caps for passing the ball sideways and a meeja darling to boot. Every thing that was wrong with English football at the time. Excellent goal in Cup Final though
I dont remember his playing style that much
I know Big Ron called him the Crab , but he played for Man Utd and AC Milan so he must have had some ability ???
Of course he did. He was a much a victim of the English safety first mentality which probably stifled his creative ability a little. Had a very good first touch.
That said no way did he deserve 86 Caps. No way. Not when a certain Mr G Cowans got a whole 10.
and fecking Glenda Hoddle got about 80 too...grrr
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The Doc
No he didn't - only 53 according the Wikibible. That makes it worse. Hoddle was a much better footballer than Wilkins.
It was 84.
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Oh dear :-[
Ray Wilkins ?
I would really like to know who iniated this appointment. Fox or 'Tactics' ?
Ray Wilkins is a "recovering alcoholic" - 4 times over the limit on his second drunk driving arrest, whilst on bail from his first drunk driving. Jeez.
Whilst he was christened "the crab" as a player --- by the immortal Big Ron ---for always passing easy sideways, rarely finding a forward runner at Chelsea, it is his
Manager /Assitant Manager / Caretaker Manager roles I have a REAL PROBLEM with
his chronology:-
Fulham - SACKED
Chelsea - SACKED
Watford - SACKED
Millwall - "Went with Wise"
England U21s - Dispensed/ Not retained
Chelsea (again)- Publicly advised "contract not going to be renewed - will leave immediately" 6 months early
Fulham (again) - 2 months - removed
Whatever it is about him, God Knows, but his average time as a Manager or Assistant Manager, Coach or Caretaker...is....... 8 and a half months.
His average life as a pundit, TV/Radio goes into years.
Chris Evans once said (after Ray had bad-mouthed Gazza for being a drunk --YES :'( ) that Ray Wilkins was photgraphed more, coming out of Soho Square FA Headquarters, whilst out of work, than Gazza had ever been outside a pub or club.
Evans would know, as he was doing TFI -(whatever his Friday C4 show was called :D)
at that time and would have had all the papp & goss rubbish.
Ray Wilkins is a networker/brown-noser supreme, imo, wherever he has worked, what on Earth has he achieved?
How long has he kept a job ? :'(
Some managers they say are good for 6-9 months, same for their coaches.
We have an excellent Asst Manager/Coach already - why do we need Wilkins ?
:o
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Oh dear :-[
Ray Wilkins ?
I would really like to know who iniated this appointment. Fox or 'Tactics' ?
Ray Wilkins is a "recovering alcoholic" - 4 times over the limit on his second drunk driving arrest, whilst on bail from his first drunk driving. Jeez.
Whilst he was christened "the crab" as a player --- by the immortal Big Ron ---for always passing easy sideways, rarely finding a forward runner at Chelsea, it is his
Manager /Assitant Manager / Caretaker Manager roles I have a REAL PROBLEM with
his chronology:-
Fulham - SACKED
Chelsea - SACKED
Watford - SACKED
Millwall - "Went with Wise"
England U21s - Dispensed/ Not retained
Chelsea (again)- Publicly advised "contract not going to be renewed - will leave immediately" 6 months early
Fulham (again) - 2 months - removed
Whatever it is about him, God Knows, but his average time as a Manager or Assistant Manager, Coach or Caretaker...is....... 8 and a half months.
His average life as a pundit, TV/Radio goes into years.
Chris Evans once said (after Ray had bad-mouthed Gazza for being a drunk --YES :'( ) that Ray Wilkins was photgraphed more, coming out of Soho Square FA Headquarters, whilst out of work, than Gazza had ever been outside a pub or club.
Evans would know, as he was doing TFI -(whatever his Friday C4 show was called :D)
at that time and would have had all the papp & goss rubbish.
Ray Wilkins is a networker/brown-noser supreme, imo, wherever he has worked, what on Earth has he achieved?
How long has he kept a job ? :'(
Some managers they say are good for 6-9 months, same for their coaches.
We have an excellent Asst Manager/Coach already - why do we need Wilkins ?
:o
I agree and especially as guy is old and out of touch. He's 60 has a lot of problems off field and is old school rather the progressive. Its a global game but this is just jobs for the boys. The only thing in his favor is experience. Seems like twood wanted to help out wilko for a distraction to his drinking. But then grealish cant listen to any talks about being. Sensible offf piitch if coaches aren't the same.
I heard James Beattie came into Swansea and soonner have him. Villa need either a coach with knowledge of premier league and recently played to relate to players. Rio Ferdinand, Phil Neville , shay given even Joe Cole
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Oh dear :-[
Ray Wilkins ?
I would really like to know who iniated this appointment. Fox or 'Tactics' ?
Ray Wilkins is a "recovering alcoholic" - 4 times over the limit on his second drunk driving arrest, whilst on bail from his first drunk driving. Jeez.
Whilst he was christened "the crab" as a player --- by the immortal Big Ron ---for always passing easy sideways, rarely finding a forward runner at Chelsea, it is his
Manager /Assitant Manager / Caretaker Manager roles I have a REAL PROBLEM with
his chronology:-
Fulham - SACKED
Chelsea - SACKED
Watford - SACKED
Millwall - "Went with Wise"
England U21s - Dispensed/ Not retained
Chelsea (again)- Publicly advised "contract not going to be renewed - will leave immediately" 6 months early
Fulham (again) - 2 months - removed
Whatever it is about him, God Knows, but his average time as a Manager or Assistant Manager, Coach or Caretaker...is....... 8 and a half months.
His average life as a pundit, TV/Radio goes into years.
Chris Evans once said (after Ray had bad-mouthed Gazza for being a drunk --YES :'( ) that Ray Wilkins was photgraphed more, coming out of Soho Square FA Headquarters, whilst out of work, than Gazza had ever been outside a pub or club.
Evans would know, as he was doing TFI -(whatever his Friday C4 show was called :D)
at that time and would have had all the papp & goss rubbish.
Ray Wilkins is a networker/brown-noser supreme, imo, wherever he has worked, what on Earth has he achieved?
How long has he kept a job ? :'(
Some managers they say are good for 6-9 months, same for their coaches.
We have an excellent Asst Manager/Coach already - why do we need Wilkins ?
:o
I don't mean to be rude, but that post was hilariously bad and basically absolute rubbish. Bringing Chris Evans into a post about football says it all really.
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Oh dear :-[
Ray Wilkins ?
I would really like to know who iniated this appointment. Fox or 'Tactics' ?
Ray Wilkins is a "recovering alcoholic" - 4 times over the limit on his second drunk driving arrest, whilst on bail from his first drunk driving. Jeez.
Whilst he was christened "the crab" as a player --- by the immortal Big Ron ---for always passing easy sideways, rarely finding a forward runner at Chelsea, it is his
Manager /Assitant Manager / Caretaker Manager roles I have a REAL PROBLEM with
his chronology:-
Fulham - SACKED
Chelsea - SACKED
Watford - SACKED
Millwall - "Went with Wise"
England U21s - Dispensed/ Not retained
Chelsea (again)- Publicly advised "contract not going to be renewed - will leave immediately" 6 months early
Fulham (again) - 2 months - removed
Whatever it is about him, God Knows, but his average time as a Manager or Assistant Manager, Coach or Caretaker...is....... 8 and a half months.
His average life as a pundit, TV/Radio goes into years.
Chris Evans once said (after Ray had bad-mouthed Gazza for being a drunk --YES :'( ) that Ray Wilkins was photgraphed more, coming out of Soho Square FA Headquarters, whilst out of work, than Gazza had ever been outside a pub or club.
Evans would know, as he was doing TFI -(whatever his Friday C4 show was called :D)
at that time and would have had all the papp & goss rubbish.
Ray Wilkins is a networker/brown-noser supreme, imo, wherever he has worked, what on Earth has he achieved?
How long has he kept a job ? :'(
Some managers they say are good for 6-9 months, same for their coaches.
We have an excellent Asst Manager/Coach already - why do we need Wilkins ?
:o
Err... yeah.
I fully anticipate a pic of him doing jager bombs with Grealish.
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Oh dear :-[
Ray Wilkins ?
I would really like to know who iniated this appointment. Fox or 'Tactics' ?
Ray Wilkins is a "recovering alcoholic" - 4 times over the limit on his second drunk driving arrest, whilst on bail from his first drunk driving. Jeez.
Whilst he was christened "the crab" as a player --- by the immortal Big Ron ---for always passing easy sideways, rarely finding a forward runner at Chelsea, it is his
Manager /Assitant Manager / Caretaker Manager roles I have a REAL PROBLEM with
his chronology:-
Fulham - SACKED
Chelsea - SACKED
Watford - SACKED
Millwall - "Went with Wise"
England U21s - Dispensed/ Not retained
Chelsea (again)- Publicly advised "contract not going to be renewed - will leave immediately" 6 months early
Fulham (again) - 2 months - removed
Whatever it is about him, God Knows, but his average time as a Manager or Assistant Manager, Coach or Caretaker...is....... 8 and a half months.
His average life as a pundit, TV/Radio goes into years.
Chris Evans once said (after Ray had bad-mouthed Gazza for being a drunk --YES :'( ) that Ray Wilkins was photgraphed more, coming out of Soho Square FA Headquarters, whilst out of work, than Gazza had ever been outside a pub or club.
Evans would know, as he was doing TFI -(whatever his Friday C4 show was called :D)
at that time and would have had all the papp & goss rubbish.
Ray Wilkins is a networker/brown-noser supreme, imo, wherever he has worked, what on Earth has he achieved?
How long has he kept a job ? :'(
Some managers they say are good for 6-9 months, same for their coaches.
We have an excellent Asst Manager/Coach already - why do we need Wilkins ?
:o
I agree and especially as guy is old and out of touch. He's 60 has a lot of problems off field and is old school rather the progressive. Its a global game but this is just jobs for the boys. The only thing in his favor is experience. Seems like twood wanted to help out wilko for a distraction to his drinking. But then grealish cant listen to any talks about being. Sensible offf piitch if coaches aren't the same.
I heard James Beattie came into Swansea and soonner have him. Villa need either a coach with knowledge of premier league and recently played to relate to players. Rio Ferdinand, Phil Neville , shay given even Joe Cole
The age thing is irrelevant, being able to consistently pass the ball to a bloke in the same colour shirt transcends all eras of football. If he can get us to do that it would dramatically improve us as a team.
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With Man U, Rangers and Millwall also on his CV, that's quite a collection of objectionable former employers he has. I wonder if anybody can boast more?
That was a great advert. I've just looked it up on Wikipedia and it only aired ten times.
You forgot arguably the most objectionable of them all. Chelsea.
No, he didn't
He did Richard, he started his career at Chelsea, though he was known as Butch in those distant days.
I never rated him that highly as a player but I do recall him saying something to the extent that the ref should hav been lenient on Hendrie when he was sent off for two yellow cards on his debut at QPR He seemed genuine when he said it, which is why I recall it.
i was at that match. Most pissed I've ever been at a villa match
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With Man U, Rangers and Millwall also on his CV, that's quite a collection of objectionable former employers he has. I wonder if anybody can boast more?
That was a great advert. I've just looked it up on Wikipedia and it only aired ten times.
You forgot arguably the most objectionable of them all. Chelsea.
No, he didn't
He did Richard, he started his career at Chelsea, though he was known as Butch in those distant days.
I never rated him that highly as a player but I do recall him saying something to the extent that the ref should hav been lenient on Hendrie when he was sent off for two yellow cards on his debut at QPR He seemed genuine when he said it, which is why I recall it.
i was at that match. Most pissed I've ever been at a villa match
Really pissed🍺🍻🍺, or pissed off😨?
Or both?
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Oh dear :-[
Ray Wilkins ?
I would really like to know who iniated this appointment. Fox or 'Tactics' ?
Ray Wilkins is a "recovering alcoholic" - 4 times over the limit on his second drunk driving arrest, whilst on bail from his first drunk driving. Jeez.
Whilst he was christened "the crab" as a player --- by the immortal Big Ron ---for always passing easy sideways, rarely finding a forward runner at Chelsea, it is his
Manager /Assitant Manager / Caretaker Manager roles I have a REAL PROBLEM with
his chronology:-
Fulham - SACKED
Chelsea - SACKED
Watford - SACKED
Millwall - "Went with Wise"
England U21s - Dispensed/ Not retained
Chelsea (again)- Publicly advised "contract not going to be renewed - will leave immediately" 6 months early
Fulham (again) - 2 months - removed
Whatever it is about him, God Knows, but his average time as a Manager or Assistant Manager, Coach or Caretaker...is....... 8 and a half months.
His average life as a pundit, TV/Radio goes into years.
Chris Evans once said (after Ray had bad-mouthed Gazza for being a drunk --YES :'( ) that Ray Wilkins was photgraphed more, coming out of Soho Square FA Headquarters, whilst out of work, than Gazza had ever been outside a pub or club.
Evans would know, as he was doing TFI -(whatever his Friday C4 show was called :D)
at that time and would have had all the papp & goss rubbish.
Ray Wilkins is a networker/brown-noser supreme, imo, wherever he has worked, what on Earth has he achieved?
How long has he kept a job ? :'(
Some managers they say are good for 6-9 months, same for their coaches.
We have an excellent Asst Manager/Coach already - why do we need Wilkins ?
:o
Probably over egging it a bit, but I do share some of these concerns. He does not strike me a person who has any depth of knowledge or coaching ability other than having played to a high level. That said I do not think he is the sort who will be around for a long time and having fresh faces and new ideas constantly being introduced into the coaching team will be a good thing.
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Isn't he widely considered to be an excellent coach?
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I don't mean to be rude, but that post was hilariously bad and basically absolute rubbish. Bringing Chris Evans into a post about football says it all really.
It was to enlighten about the 'hypocrisy' of said Wilkins. Hilariously bad as you think it was.
You hilariously missed the point. :D
With his additional wages ...and eventual pay-off, do we have money to burn now?
Bad, bad signing imo.
Or has Tim elevated himself into the Fergie/Jose echelon, wherein he makes the occasional visit to training but concentrates on the media and PR ?
That seems a bit too early in his career, so I don't really understand the size of our backroom.
Another planet compared to Lambert's back-up.
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I don't mean to be rude, but that post was hilariously bad and basically absolute rubbish. Bringing Chris Evans into a post about football says it all really.
It was to enlighten about the 'hypocrisy' of said Wilkins. Hilariously bad as you think it was.
You hilariously missed the point. :D
I'm not sure there was a point for him to miss.
What does what a random radio presenter with no connection to football had to say about Ray Wilkins two decades ago have to do with his abilities as a coach?
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Isn't he widely considered to be an excellent coach?
Who by ? :-\
He's worked or hung around London based clubs, is media-savvy and like Venables / Hoddle / Redknapp etc, has a plethora of supporters amongst the free-loading journos.
As Tommy Docherty once said of him as a player:
"He can't run, can't tackle and can't head the ball. The only time he gets forward is to toss the coin"
Perhaps it's those skills he is going to pass on?
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Any discussion of his (or any coach's for that matter) playing abilities is completely pointless, as it really has no bearing on his abilities as a coach.
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Isn't he widely considered to be an excellent coach?
Not to my knowledge .
I think this is a fairly bizarre appointment, similar to the Roy Keane PR stunt.
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I don't mean to be rude, but that post was hilariously bad and basically absolute rubbish. Bringing Chris Evans into a post about football says it all really.
It was to enlighten about the 'hypocrisy' of said Wilkins. Hilariously bad as you think it was.
You hilariously missed the point. :D
With his additional wages ...and eventual pay-off, do we have money to burn now?
Bad, bad signing imo.
Or has Tim elevated himself into the Fergie/Jose echelon, wherein he makes the occasional visit to training but concentrates on the media and PR ?
That seems a bit too early in his career, so I don't really understand the size of our backroom.
Another planet compared to Lambert's back-up.
I know you are probably trying to come over as really clever but when the manager is always on the training ground, and has stressed that's where he wants to be, how do you come to the conclusion he wants to focus on media and PR?
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Hmmm, didn't realise he had two convictions for drink driving.
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Isn't he widely considered to be an excellent coach?
Who by ? :-\
He's worked or hung around London based clubs, is media-savvy and like Venables / Hoddle / Redknapp etc, has a plethora of supporters amongst the free-loading journos.
As Tommy Docherty once said of him as a player:
"He can't run, can't tackle and can't head the ball. The only time he gets forward is to toss the coin"
Perhaps it's those skills he is going to pass on?
By that criteria Ron Atkinson and Alex Ferguson would both be poor managers.
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lets see how the team plays
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Hmmm, didn't realise he had two convictions for drink driving.
Yep, he got the second whilst already banned for DD ! Was very very lucky to not do some porridge for that.
Didn't realise the extent of his drink issues .
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Hmmm, didn't realise he had two convictions for drink driving.
Yep, he got the second whilst already banned for DD ! Was very very lucky to not do some porridge for that.
Didn't realise the extent of his drink issues .
not serious, only drinks when awake.
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Isn't he widely considered to be an excellent coach?
I admit that I have heard that from journalists etc but I think that might be because he panders to their wants. What I will say is that if he had any particular insight into the game then you'd think he'd demonstrate it whilst commentating or as a pundit. He rarely does in my opinion. My guess is that he is a coach which specialises in banter and keeping the troop's morale up rather than tactics, which is fine, as long as that base is covered by other people.
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He seemed to do well at Chelsea until he was sacked , then again he had a squad there rammed with quality.
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Isn't he widely considered to be an excellent coach?
Not to my knowledge .
I think this is a fairly bizarre appointment, similar to the Roy Keane PR stunt.
My sense is that he's been brought in for his network and general experience around top clubs. He may be a knob but nowhere near Keane's stratospheric knobness.
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He seemed to do well at Chelsea until he was sacked , then again he had a squad there rammed with quality.
You'd imagine quality players demand a high quality of coaching.
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He seemed to do well at Chelsea until he was sacked , then again he had a squad there rammed with quality.
You'd imagine quality players demand a high quality of coaching.
Hmmm, I was thinking the exact opposite.
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Interesting interview with Ray Wilkins some months ago. I get the feeling he finds life difficult as we all do from time to time.
No link Im afraid but it was in the Daily Mail. You will find it easily.
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He seemed to do well at Chelsea until he was sacked , then again he had a squad there rammed with quality.
You'd imagine quality players demand a high quality of coaching.
That must be why all the poor managers and coaches work at the top clubs.
Hmmm, I was thinking the exact opposite.
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He seemed to do well at Chelsea until he was sacked , then again he had a squad there rammed with quality.
You'd imagine quality players demand a high quality of coaching.
Hmmm, I was thinking the exact opposite.
Well the Chelsea players seemed to be upset when he left and respected him
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He seemed to do well at Chelsea until he was sacked , then again he had a squad there rammed with quality.
You'd imagine quality players demand a high quality of coaching.
Hmmm, I was thinking the exact opposite.
Well the Chelsea players seemed to be upset when he left and respected him
Probably missed the afternoon sessions down the cobham public houses
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Or acknowledged that he was a decent football coach which also enabled his recovery from alledged alcoholism and didn't let it stand in the way of doing a good job.
You missed a full stop after houses BTW. I really shouldn't post after coming in from the pub, I tend to lose control of myself!
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On the surface of it the real positive here is that he'll presumably be dong less punditry work now which is fantastic for anyone who enjoys watching football on TV. Not saying he's the only awful pundit out there, far from it, but, jeepers he was dull. His most quoted phrase was "couldn't agree more", great insight Ray. On the other hand it did make boring games more interesting as you could run a sweepstake on which minute he's actually voice his own opinion rather than echoing someone elses.
Anyway, stupid, snidey comments aside I hope he's a useful addtion to the coaching staff, feels like we certainly have more depth in that squad than we used to under Lambert, just need to add a few quality players now.
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He'll be a useful addition. It's a lot better than the Roy Keane debacle as every one of us new Keane would be gone before the year was out and undoubtedly under a cloud of controversy.
Wilkins knows his stuff. Is he going to make a significant difference that sees us progress from 15th-17th in the Prem? No he's not. I'm glad we've added another experienced coach. But I honestly am not too bothered. When we start signing more quality players then I'll get a twinge in the underpants region.
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Bet he's a great motivator,
The players will feel really built up when he keeps telling them how delighted he is about everything
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He seemed to do well at Chelsea until he was sacked , then again he had a squad there rammed with quality.
You'd imagine quality players demand a high quality of coaching.
Hmmm, I was thinking the exact opposite.
Well the Chelsea players seemed to be upset when he left and respected him
Probably missed the afternoon sessions down the cobham public houses
Didn't seem to do them too bad if that was the case!!
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I think you should always be looking for a regular turnover in coaching staff so that they can bring in new ideas from other clubs. Otherwise you end up with a cosy and conservative attitude which usually results in a club going backwards. This can be just as dangerous as having poor coaches.
Whether Wilkins can translate his knowledge into successful coaching of the players, we will have to wait and see. However, his ideas can be passed onto others who might be able to get it over to the players better. I am all for having a large coaching staff, with everybody bringing something to the table.
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There are many posts I would like to reference.
Some dubious about Ray and others in support of Ray.
Either way, he's going to be us so when we kick off, I'll keep schtum about him. ;D
I don't like him, as you will gather.
I have nil respect for him, as a player and as a Manager, Assistant etc.
His record speaks for itself at this level.
SACKED / SACKED / SACKED etc.
And his "beloved" team Chelsea went public 6 months before his contract was up...to say it won't be renewed and he can leave immediately.
ANYONE EVER HEARD THAT BEFORE ?
The guy is a problem.imo. Sacked everywhere. A walking P45.
But respected by the London Media journos though. Alongside Hoddle, Redknapp and now Pardew.
Part of my antagonism about the appointment, is that I REALLY don't know what he can give us. How many Assistant Coaches have we got now?
At this going rate we could field an eleven...and Paul had none after Roy had sold his book using us as his platform/facility to do so.....why so many Asst Coaches?
How about spending money and wages, on players?
Going back to the thread ;D
IMO... Ray Wilkins is not us. He is London-centric, his supporters come from London journos, not from the North and not from the Midlands...wait up ! James Nursey missed this !!! ;D
In earlier posts, I tried to show Ray's hypocrisy as a man.
His inability to keep a job
I understand the support he has been given in this thread. :)
I don't rate the guy...ok?
And going back to my first intervention ;D
Is it Tim or is it Tom that let their "London-Nous" convince them that they needed another London 'Mega Star' here ?
I will say again...we have a brilliant Asst Manager...or Second or Third or Fourth...
......Assistant Manager...who knows what is going on woth this claptrap?? :)
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Tim can make his own decisions, and without the need to use purple text I might add.
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It's a conspiracy to only have people at Villa with 3 letter names. We have Tom and Tim, we had Roy now we have Ray.
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Wilkins was talking to God this morning on TalkSport.
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'S official now anyway.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-officially-announce-appointment-9545687
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Shame about KMac but no real surprise.
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Shame about KMac but no real surprise.
Hasn't he just gone back to the job he previously did very well for us?
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Shame about KMac but no real surprise.
''Wilkins, who has an extensive contacts book from a 40-year career in football, replaces Kevin MacDonald who will now be responsible for developing homegrown talent.''
That's great news
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Shame about KMac but no real surprise.
Hasn't he just gone back to the job he previously did very well for us?
I think so, or similar, has he taken Bryan Jones' position?
Either way I think it is a positive that high profile, well experienced, coaches are coaching our kids. With the transfer fees as they are every player, even average ones, will save us a fortune.
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Shame about KMac but no real surprise.
Hasn't he just gone back to the job he previously did very well for us?
I think so, or similar, has he taken Bryan Jones' position?
Either way I think it is a positive that high profile, well experienced, coaches are coaching our kids. With the transfer fees as they are every player, even average ones, will save us a fortune.
We seem to do well in getting players to around U19 but struggle to get them through to even getting an opportunity in the 1st team and that is before becoming regulars.
I think KMac could do a very good job in that role. Perhaps he has thought himself that he is not up to full management and stepped back down to a level where he gets more out of it.
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They're building a strong backroom staff structure, just hope they plan to do the same with the playing staff.
If we're anywhere near the throws of a takeover, you'd have to assume whoever it is approve of these changes.
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Wilkins was talking to God this morning on TalkSport.
On the big white telephone?
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There are many posts I would like to reference.
Some dubious about Ray and others in support of Ray.
Either way, he's going to be us so when we kick off, I'll keep schtum about him. ;D
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So why another page of utter drivel?
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I'd like to know who this brilliant assistant manager we've got is, because lovely guy though he apparently is, it sure ain't KevMac.
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I'd like to know who this brilliant assistant manager we've got is, because lovely guy though he apparently is, it sure ain't KevMac.
You'd add more credibility to your argument Dave if you added a splash of purple to your posts.
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I'd like to know who this brilliant assistant manager we've got is, because lovely guy though he apparently is, it sure ain't KevMac.
Really depends on why KevMac has changed roles though, was the assistant manager only ever temp until the summer before he went back to the academy? If that was agreed it seems fair enough. Given Sherwood's clear focus on bringing through our youth players someone he trusts to deliver in that role is probably just as important as the assistant manager so I don't see this as a demotion, if KevMac is of the same opinion then this is a good move.
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Tim can make his own decisions, and without the need to use purple text I might add.
Purple is the colour of the the clergy. And my helmet.
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The new coaching team in action today.
Who is the SB guy?
By the looks of the gut on him, he must be our new Beer and Curry Coach.
(http://i2.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/article9599475.ece/ALTERNATES/s1227b/Tim-Sherwood-Ray-Wilkins-and-Aston-Villas-coaching-staff-at-pre-season-training.jpg)
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Seamus Brady, "Performance Analyst"
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Wilkins has been no stranger to the desert trolley
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Seamus Brady, performance person.
What happened to Kevin Mac? Not listed on the site.
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Seamus Brady, "Performance Analyst"
Obviously doesn't live by his own standards ....
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Seamus Brady, "Performance Analyst"
Obviously doesn't live by his own standards ....
Oh, I don't know. He's clearly worked out the quickest way to the bar and buffet.
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Seamus Brady, performance person.
What happened to Kevin Mac? Not listed on the site.
Heading up youth recruitment or somesuch I think.
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Is Tony parks still with us ?
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Tim Sherwood in Adidas World Cup.
Nods in approval.
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Seamus Brady, "Performance Analyst"
Obviously doesn't live by his own standards ....
Oh, I don't know. He's clearly worked out the quickest way to the bar and buffet.
Well, he is the new fatness coach!!
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Tim Sherwood in Adidas World Cup.
Nods in approval.
Look like Copa Mundials from Wilkins foot *spotters badge*
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Yeah big thumbs up for the copa mundials..... Puma kings would have had the nod also
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Interesting interview with Ray Wilkins some months ago. I get the feeling he finds life difficult as we all do from time to time.
No link Im afraid but it was in the Daily Mail. You will find it easily.
One minute you're saying we all find life difficult from time to time. Then in the next breath you're saying we will find it easily.
Make your fucking mind up son, come on.
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Is Tony parks still with us ?
I would imagine he's on compassionate leave after the death of his son.
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The new coaching team in action today.
Who is the SB guy?
By the looks of the gut on him, he must be our new Beer and Curry Coach.
(http://i2.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/article9599475.ece/ALTERNATES/s1227b/Tim-Sherwood-Ray-Wilkins-and-Aston-Villas-coaching-staff-at-pre-season-training.jpg)
That really cracked me up cheers
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Interesting article in the Birmingham Mail about him (can't do links) I only went to a tin school. Same problem as Darren Fletcher, I feel for him with that condition as my brother, who is also Villa, suffers with the same. You just can't imagine what it must be like.
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The new coaching team in action today.
Who is the SB guy?
By the looks of the gut on him, he must be our new Beer and Curry Coach.
(http://i2.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/article9599475.ece/ALTERNATES/s1227b/Tim-Sherwood-Ray-Wilkins-and-Aston-Villas-coaching-staff-at-pre-season-training.jpg)
That really cracked me up cheers
Sizeable belly?
Sumo bastard?
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Interesting article in the Birmingham Mail about him (can't do links) I only went to a tin school. Same problem as Darren Fletcher, I feel for him with that condition as my brother, who is also Villa, suffers with the same. You just can't imagine what it must be like.
Is it ulcerative colitis? A guy who used to work for me had it.
You're absolutely right, it is a truly hideous thing to have wrong with you, with massive long term health impacts if you don't treat it properly.
I'm amazed Darren Fletcher managed to carry on a football career (albeit at the Stripeyfilth) having suffered from it for a long while. Totally respect him for it, having seen what it does to people.
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surely he is our fitness coach
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surely he is our fatness coach
Probably.
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The new coaching team in action today.
Who is the SB guy?
By the looks of the gut on him, he must be our new Beer and Curry Coach.
(http://i2.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/article9599475.ece/ALTERNATES/s1227b/Tim-Sherwood-Ray-Wilkins-and-Aston-Villas-coaching-staff-at-pre-season-training.jpg)
That really cracked me up cheers
Sizeable belly?
Sumo bastard?
Seamus Brady. Isn't he the bloke Tim credits with spotting all these exciting new players we're signing?
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Video analysis, I think.
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Interesting article in the Birmingham Mail about him (can't do links) I only went to a tin school. Same problem as Darren Fletcher, I feel for him with that condition as my brother, who is also Villa, suffers with the same. You just can't imagine what it must be like.
Is it ulcerative colitis? A guy who used to work for me had it.
You're absolutely right, it is a truly hideous thing to have wrong with you, with massive long term health impacts if you don't treat it properly.
I'm amazed Darren Fletcher managed to carry on a football career (albeit at the Stripeyfilth) having suffered from it for a long while. Totally respect him for it, having seen what it does to people.
Lewis Moody has it as well, which is amazing when you consider the sort of punishment that rugby players inflict on their bodies.
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The new coaching team in action today.
Who is the SB guy?
By the looks of the gut on him, he must be our new Beer and Curry Coach.
(http://i2.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/article9599475.ece/ALTERNATES/s1227b/Tim-Sherwood-Ray-Wilkins-and-Aston-Villas-coaching-staff-at-pre-season-training.jpg)
That really cracked me up cheers
Looks like Joe Cole to me.
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The new coaching team in action today.
Who is the SB guy?
By the looks of the gut on him, he must be our new Beer and Curry Coach.
(http://i2.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/article9599475.ece/ALTERNATES/s1227b/Tim-Sherwood-Ray-Wilkins-and-Aston-Villas-coaching-staff-at-pre-season-training.jpg)
That really cracked me up cheers
Looks like Joe Cole to me.
Surely not.....too slim!
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Ray was exquisitely polite as he eased past us at Burton last night.
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surely he is our fatness coach
Probably.
Gabby is always first in and last out during buffet line training sessions.
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The new coaching team in action today.
Who is the SB guy?
By the looks of the gut on him, he must be our new Beer and Curry Coach.
(http://i2.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/article9599475.ece/ALTERNATES/s1227b/Tim-Sherwood-Ray-Wilkins-and-Aston-Villas-coaching-staff-at-pre-season-training.jpg)
We've signed Gareth's little brother, Slim Barry. Our new Mr Versatile.
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They're actually testing out their new bellyometer from AliExpress...it takes the guess-work out of spotting chubby new signings before we've offered them a multi-million pound, 5 year contract. So no more Grant Holts, thankfully.
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Interesting article in the Birmingham Mail about him (can't do links) I only went to a tin school. Same problem as Darren Fletcher, I feel for him with that condition as my brother, who is also Villa, suffers with the same. You just can't imagine what it must be like.
Is it ulcerative colitis? A guy who used to work for me had it.
You're absolutely right, it is a truly hideous thing to have wrong with you, with massive long term health impacts if you don't treat it properly.
I'm amazed Darren Fletcher managed to carry on a football career (albeit at the Stripeyfilth) having suffered from it for a long while. Totally respect him for it, having seen what it does to people.
Lewis Moody has it as well, which is amazing when you consider the sort of punishment that rugby players inflict on their bodies.
I was diagnosed with the sister disease, Crohns a few years ago. Thankfully, since the initial problems I'm doing pretty well. Medication keeps it under control. Essentially the difference between the two is UC affects your bowel only, whereas Crohns can affect anywhere in your digestive system (mouth to colon). Mouth ulcers come in waves and are a bastard, but thankfully that's the worst I've had in over a year.
Agree about Fletcher, and until he went to the Baggies he was my Fav non villa player.
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Listening to Free Radio tonight and a Villa fan rang up and was talking about the lack of interaction between Sherwood and Wilkins. Must admit I've noticed that Wilkins seems to have little input during games.
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That was true with KMac as well. Its a bit weird. When I am paying attention (rare these days as I am hiding behind the couch waiting for us to concede) Sherwood only really seems to engage meaningfully with Tony Parks.
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If Sherwood has not got Wilkins in his ear, it is wrong. Wilkins has a wealth of knowledge and Tim needs to learn from it.
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Tony Parkes does seem to interact more with Sherwood on a match day but they'll all have an input I would have thought.
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Did he actually join us? I'm yet to see the ******.
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He'll be in full control soon.....
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(http://i.imgur.com/YfLcrRX.png)
nice one, uncle fester.
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(http://i.imgur.com/YfLcrRX.png)
nice one, uncle fester.
I can see the Fester Says Relax T-Shirts already.
(http://tcritic.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/frankie-says-relax.jpg)
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Relax ! Cheeky twat
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Why the f@@k is Wilkins actually at the club? It's difficult to attribute any value from his presence.
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Fat headed fuck, he can follow nice but dim out of the door.
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(http://i.imgur.com/YfLcrRX.png)
nice one, uncle fester.
Maybe he started early today?
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I thought of all our summer arrivals, Wilkins would have the most immediate impact. It's tough to know what happens away from match days but I hoped he would have assisted the new arrivals to settle quicker and helped Sherwood establish a discernible style.
I'm annoyed in the coaching staff for not stopping Sherwood do these crazy things that might see him out the door before he celebrates a year in charge.
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I feel loads more animosity towards Wilkins than towards Sherwood. At least with Tim you can't doubt he's putting a shift in. Wilkins is here for one final pay day, it would seem. A 'motivational' manager can work if the coach has tactical acumen. Surely Wilkins can point out simple things like starting 5-3-2 against Stoke at home is wrong, that making an attacking substitution at 2-0 up is wrong, that not putting your better set piece players on corners is wrong, that changing your tactics and formation very match is befuddling the team. He is hopeless and lazy in my view.
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I feel loads more animosity towards Wilkins than towards Sherwood. At least with Tim you can't doubt he's putting a shift in. Wilkins is here for one final pay day, it would seem. A 'motivational' manager can work if the coach has tactical acumen. Surely Wilkins can point out simple things like starting 5-3-2 against Stoke at home is wrong, that making an attacking substitution at 2-0 up is wrong, that not putting your better set piece players on corners is wrong, that changing your tactics and formation very match is befuddling the team. He is hopeless and lazy in my view.
Against all that is that Wilkins is without doubt a Sherwood appointment. Even Nice but Tim must see the whole thing is going down the pan quicker than a post on the shithouse thread.
If he's appointed Wilkins to be "his brains" and it's still not working then either.
a.) He can see it's all a pile of shit but doesn't give a fuck
b.) He can see it's all a pile of shit and does give a fuck but he thinks that they'll turn it around despite all evidence to the contrary
c.) He can see it's all a pile of shit and does give a fuck but doesn't want to give Wilkins the boot because? Well just because really.
d.) He's too thick to even see it's all a pile of shit
3 of those should be sacking offences and the one that isn't soon will be.
I couldn't give a flying if Tim's putting a shift in.
It's the same damning with faint praise reserved for shit players aiming for dizzy heights of mediocrity. It's a polite way of saying, "works hard to make up for the fact that he's not very good."
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I just dont get th, we have said all we can about the Manager so lets start on the number 2.
No one on here knows what is going on between the 2 of them.
The person responsible for the team and staff is the Manager, its that simple.
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I kinda get impression Wilkins was just glad to get a job back in England again let alone the prem league and is not rocking the applecart
That selection yesterday at best would have gotten draw , with his time in football surely you would expect Wilkins to have seen this and said something ..
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i just find the whole thing baffling
the lack of a consistant formation
sinclair and gestede when it doesnt work
corners
lack of onfield leadership
fuck me its not that difficult is it
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I thought of all our summer arrivals, Wilkins would have the most immediate impact. It's tough to know what happens away from match days but I hoped he would have assisted the new arrivals to settle quicker and helped Sherwood establish a discernible style.
I'm annoyed in the coaching staff for not stopping Sherwood do these crazy things that might see him out the door before he celebrates a year in charge.
I dont know, I get the feeling Sherwood wont listen to any of his coaching staff. Bringing Wilkins on board might have been a sop to the board to guard against his lack of experience. Tim Sherwood believes that Tim Sherwood has a divine right to manage and coach at the top level.
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I kinda get impression Wilkins was just glad to get a job back in England again let alone the prem league and is not rocking the applecart
That selection yesterday at best would have gotten draw , with his time in football surely you would expect Wilkins to have seen this and said something ..
I suppose its just possible that the nice Ray Wilkins has made a few suggestions but Sherwood has decided Im in charge and totally ignored him.....and Wilkins wants to keep his well paid job....and who can blame him!
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I just dont get th, we have said all we can about the Manager so lets start on the number 2.
No one on here knows what is going on between the 2 of them.
The person responsible for the team and staff is the Manager, its that simple.
I don't think anyone is disputing that.
The issue is that the Bloater came in with the expectation that he would provide some technical nous, to support TS' inexperience; we do not appear to be seeing any payout, which begs the question "what the hell does he do?"
Since he is probably a Sherwood appointment, the manager is - naturally - accountable.
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You know how bad it is getting when you get notions flash through your head that it is all a conspiracy. Like Dwight Yorke who was indestructible suddenly camping out in the sick bay when Man Ure and Mark Bosnich started tapping him up. Perhaps all is not well between Sherwood and Wilkins. "Go ahead and do it then. Why bother to ask me what I think, you are going to do it anyway?"
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I kinda get impression Wilkins was just glad to get a job back in England again let alone the prem league and is not rocking the applecart
That selection yesterday at best would have gotten draw , with his time in football surely you would expect Wilkins to have seen this and said something ..
I suppose its just possible that the nice Ray Wilkins has made a few suggestions but Sherwood has decided Im in charge and totally ignored him.....and Wilkins wants to keep his well paid job....and who can blame him!
Especially when he can see a nice fat pay off in the not too distant future.
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The impression I always got with Wilkins was that he's a coach rather than the assistant who worked on the tactical side of things (the most prominent example of the latter I can currently think of was Low before he took over for Klinsmann). We don't seem to have anyone with a reputation for being sound with setting teams up; but then again, even if we do, I somehow doubt Sherwood's ego would let them have much input.
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i just find the whole thing baffling
fuck me its not that difficult is it
Professionals make something hard look easy. Dim Tim isn't a professional manager, he's had 6 months training.
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i just find the whole thing baffling
fuck me its not that difficult is it
Professionals make something hard look easy. Dim Tim isn't a professional manager, he's had 6 months training.work experience.
It's like giving a YTS (or whatever they're called these days) the keys to running the local Sainsbury's.
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Dosen't Ray Wilkins speak French? I thought that was one of the reasons he came in to help the new signings and communicate with them in training.
To me this is like Roy Keane, people thinking a new assistant is going to instantly win us 10 points or something ridiculous, most just toe the line and are sounding boards to the boss to keep him company and wouldn't dare over rule him so a lot have limited influence.
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the whole sherwood / Wilkins things is one massive duel square peg in a round hole.
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the whole sherwood / Wilkins things is one massive duel square peg in a round hole.
What makes you say that?
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I remember hearing him do commentary on Spurs at Inter in the CL a couple of years ago in which [/b]he sounded pissed[/b]and kept saying "stay on your feet, stay on your feet" all the time.
Oh
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I remember hearing him do commentary on Spurs at Inter in the CL a couple of years ago in which he sounded pissed, and kept saying "stay on your feet, stay on your feet" all the time.
He's got a reputation for liking his drink. And a reputation for driving home when he pissed.
Oh right
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So long as Tony Adams doesn't join too......
Lol
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Oh dear :-[
Ray Wilkins ?
I would really like to know who iniated this appointment. Fox or 'Tactics' ?
Ray Wilkins is a "recovering alcoholic" - 4 times over the limit on his second drunk driving arrest, whilst on bail from his first drunk driving. Jeez.
Whilst he was christened "the crab" as a player --- by the immortal Big Ron ---for always passing easy sideways, rarely finding a forward runner at Chelsea, it is his
Manager /Assitant Manager / Caretaker Manager roles I have a REAL PROBLEM with
his chronology:-
Fulham - SACKED
Chelsea - SACKED
Watford - SACKED
Millwall - "Went with Wise"
England U21s - Dispensed/ Not retained
Chelsea (again)- Publicly advised "contract not going to be renewed - will leave immediately" 6 months early
Fulham (again) - 2 months - removed
Whatever it is about him, God Knows, but his average time as a Manager or Assistant Manager, Coach or Caretaker...is....... 8 and a half months.
His average life as a pundit, TV/Radio goes into years.
Chris Evans once said (after Ray had bad-mouthed Gazza for being a drunk --YES :'( ) that Ray Wilkins was photgraphed more, coming out of Soho Square FA Headquarters, whilst out of work, than Gazza had ever been outside a pub or club.
Evans would know, as he was doing TFI -(whatever his Friday C4 show was called :D)
at that time and would have had all the papp & goss rubbish.
Ray Wilkins is a networker/brown-noser supreme, imo, wherever he has worked, what on Earth has he achieved?
How long has he kept a job ? :'(
Some managers they say are good for 6-9 months, same for their coaches.
We have an excellent Asst Manager/Coach already - why do we need Wilkins ?
:o
I agree and especially as guy is old and out of touch. He's 60 has a lot of problems off field and is old school rather the progressive. Its a global game but this is just jobs for the boys. The only thing in his favor is experience. Seems like twood wanted to help out wilko for a distraction to his drinking. But then grealish cant listen to any talks about being. Sensible offf piitch if coaches aren't the same.
I heard James Beattie came into Swansea and soonner have him. Villa need either a coach with knowledge of premier league and recently played to relate to players. Rio Ferdinand, Phil Neville , shay given even Joe Cole
More on this. Yet it was just me ??
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They're still not bringing it up 4 months later. You are.
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They're still not bringing it up 4 months later. You are.
Yes they are. Numerous threads.
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Mostly telling you to put a lid on it.
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surely ray wilkins is just a twat
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surely ray wilkins is just a twat
Highly intelligent contribution that!
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Possibly he heard that we couldn't organise a piss-up in a brewery and he thought that's a challenge he was up to.
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Oh dear :-[
Ray Wilkins ?
I would really like to know who iniated this appointment. Fox or 'Tactics' ?
Ray Wilkins is a "recovering alcoholic" - 4 times over the limit on his second drunk driving arrest, whilst on bail from his first drunk driving. Jeez.
Whilst he was christened "the crab" as a player --- by the immortal Big Ron ---for always passing easy sideways, rarely finding a forward runner at Chelsea, it is his
Manager /Assitant Manager / Caretaker Manager roles I have a REAL PROBLEM with
his chronology:-
Fulham - SACKED
Chelsea - SACKED
Watford - SACKED
Millwall - "Went with Wise"
England U21s - Dispensed/ Not retained
Chelsea (again)- Publicly advised "contract not going to be renewed - will leave immediately" 6 months early
Fulham (again) - 2 months - removed
Whatever it is about him, God Knows, but his average time as a Manager or Assistant Manager, Coach or Caretaker...is....... 8 and a half months.
His average life as a pundit, TV/Radio goes into years.
Chris Evans once said (after Ray had bad-mouthed Gazza for being a drunk --YES :'( ) that Ray Wilkins was photgraphed more, coming out of Soho Square FA Headquarters, whilst out of work, than Gazza had ever been outside a pub or club.
Evans would know, as he was doing TFI -(whatever his Friday C4 show was called :D)
at that time and would have had all the papp & goss rubbish.
Ray Wilkins is a networker/brown-noser supreme, imo, wherever he has worked, what on Earth has he achieved?
How long has he kept a job ? :'(
Some managers they say are good for 6-9 months, same for their coaches.
We have an excellent Asst Manager/Coach already - why do we need Wilkins ?
:o
I agree and especially as guy is old and out of touch. He's 60 has a lot of problems off field and is old school rather the progressive. Its a global game but this is just jobs for the boys. The only thing in his favor is experience. Seems like twood wanted to help out wilko for a distraction to his drinking. But then grealish cant listen to any talks about being. Sensible offf piitch if coaches aren't the same.
I heard James Beattie came into Swansea and soonner have him. Villa need either a coach with knowledge of premier league and recently played to relate to players. Rio Ferdinand, Phil Neville , shay given even Joe Cole
More on this. Yet it was just me ??
You, footyskillz and Chris Evans.
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They're still not bringing it up 4 months later. You are.
Yes they are. Numerous threads.
A man had a problem in his life, made mistakes and he has fought (and likely still fighting) hard to correct the situation. Why are you still banging on about it? Judge him on his merits as a coach. If you think he's shit say so if you can justify it. But can you not leave his personal demons out of it? Would you be bringing it up if we were doing really well?
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We'll be waiting for a long time if we're waiting for silhillvilla to back something up with anything resembling facts or constructive feedback.
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A man had a problem in his life, made mistakes and he has fought (and likely still fighting) hard to correct the situation. Why are you still banging on about it? Judge him on his merits as a coach. If you think he's shit say so if you can justify it. But can you not leave his personal demons out of it? Would you be bringing it up if we were doing really well?
Yes, despite my previous post, we can all change.
The issue with Wilkins it's unsure of what impact he is having as a coach, and unless we have been at the training ground, we cant really know.
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We'll be waiting for a long time if we're waiting for silhillvilla to back something up with anything resembling facts or constructive feedback.
It's above
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Oh
That?
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Perhaps we can crowd fund and buy Ballotelli's 'why always me?' shirt.
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I remember hearing him do commentary on Spurs at Inter in the CL a couple of years ago in which [/b]he sounded pissed[/b]and kept saying "stay on your feet, stay on your feet" all the time.
Oh
And so what?
He can do commentary work under the influence of crack cocaine for all I care. And he did sound pissed, yes (that was a match which was played in 2010, FWIW)
If you can't see the difference between mentioning his alcohol issues and implying that they are somehow impeding his ability to be our coach, then I don't know how to explain it to you.
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I remember hearing him do commentary on Spurs at Inter in the CL a couple of years ago in which [/b]he sounded pissed[/b]and kept saying "stay on your feet, stay on your feet" all the time.
Oh
And so what?
He can do commentary work under the influence of crack cocaine for all I care. And he did sound pissed, yes (that was a match which was played in 2010, FWIW)
If you can't see the difference between mentioning his alcohol issues and implying that they are somehow impeding his ability to be our coach, then ;I don't know how to explain it to you.
Try words of 1 syllable or less for the hard of thinking.
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We'll be waiting for a long time if we're waiting for silhillvilla to back something up with anything resembling facts or constructive feedback.
We may be waiting a long time before Wilkins demonstrates the merits of his coaching ...
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I'm really not convinced that the high-end, high-pressurised world of professional sport is the ideal place for anyone recovering from any kind of self-destroying addiction.
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I'm really not convinced that the high-end, high-pressurised world of professional sport is the ideal place for anyone recovering from any kind of self-destroying addiction.
That's why he's ended up down the villa
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I'm really not convinced that the high-end, high-pressurised world of professional sport is the ideal place for anyone recovering from any kind of self-destroying addiction.
Alternatively, it could be the best place. Distraction from health issues and being involved in the game he loves.
Im not sure if he's a good coach or not, how do you know without having intimate knowledge of what's going on?
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I'm really not convinced that the high-end, high-pressurised world of professional sport is the ideal place for anyone recovering from any kind of self-destroying addiciton.
I'm really not convinced that the high-end, high-pressurised world of professional sport is the ideal place for anyone recovering from any kind of self-destroying addiction.
Alternatively, it could be the best place. Distraction from health issues and being involved in the game he loves.
Im not sure if he's a good coach or not, how do you know without having intimate knowledge of what's going on?
Well I don't, none of us do, so using that argument has no validity. But of course, you could be right, I just don't think that in a stress filled environment knowing that any day at work could be your last and it's totally out of your hands is not conducive to the calm environment that those needing help need.
i suppose being in work is better than not and having people around you is better than not. But he has spent more time recently out of the coaching/managerial side of the game and I personally don't think an addict is reformed or not, has a place at the top of the sport. I'm sure there must be several examples but I can't think of one example of a reformed addict who has survived and thrived at the top level.
Paul Merson? Stan Collymore? Once their issues became common knowledge they were never the same players. Coaches? managers? can't think of any.
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I'm really not convinced that the high-end, high-pressurised world of professional sport is the ideal place for anyone recovering from any kind of self-destroying addiction.
Alternatively, it could be the best place. Distraction from health issues and being involved in the game he loves.
Im not sure if he's a good coach or not, how do you know without having intimate knowledge of what's going on?
He's rubbish mate, take it from me
I know because I know everything
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I'm really not convinced that the high-end, high-pressurised world of professional sport is the ideal place for anyone recovering from any kind of self-destroying addiciton.I'm really not convinced that the high-end, high-pressurised world of professional sport is the ideal place for anyone recovering from any kind of self-destroying addiction.
Alternatively, it could be the best place. Distraction from health issues and being involved in the game he loves.
Im not sure if he's a good coach or not, how do you know without having intimate knowledge of what's going on?
Well I don't, none of us do, so using that argument has no validity. But of course, you could be right, I just don't think that in a stress filled environment knowing that any day at work could be your last and it's totally out of your hands is not conducive to the calm environment that those needing help need.
i suppose being in work is better than not and having people around you is better than not. But he has spent more time recently out of the coaching/managerial side of the game and I personally don't think an addict is reformed or not, has a place at the top of the sport. I'm sure there must be several examples but I can't think of one example of a reformed addict who has survived and thrived at the top level.
Paul Merson? Stan Collymore? Once their issues became common knowledge they were never the same players. Coaches? managers? can't think of any.
Sorry my two paragraphs were not really linked. The last one was really just about whether he is any good or not.
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The word "reformed" is not appropriate for an alcoholic. Alcoholism is not a crime or moral turpitude, it is an illness and the victim must try to regain his health. Trying not to die a nasty, early death is infinitely more important than climbing the career ladder.
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I used reformed as a generic expression about addiction rather than comment on alcoholism and its steps to recovery. In all honesty I'm not bothered about that in this context; but rather an alcholic or ex-alchohlic's suitability to the stress charged world of top (ish) end professional sport.
I still hope Wilkins brings something to us but I've seen nothing in what he does to suggest he's doing a good job. I really don't know what his job or purpose is. I don't know if his addiction, or previous addiction, has any bearing on his performances at this or any other club. I just think that its a highly risky gamble. Bad hearts and health related illnesses are just questionable areas that our club have got themselves involved in. I'm just not sure in the sagacity of it rather than individuals struggles within it.
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Poor bugger. Lets hope he is not reading this
My concern with Wilkins isnt his health issues, but his track record. From what I can see as a coach he doesnt have one.
Hence the team of Wilkins and Sherwood lack experience, know how and a decent track record. Not a great combination
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Over fifty years or more I have had three business partners succumb to alcoholism. Two died in their fifties the third who is a couple of years younger than I joined AA and is alive though a victim of Parkinson's Disease. All three of them could outwork and out earn me all day long and they were damn good friends and partners. As for alcoholism and coping with stress our horse racing interests made football management look like a walk in the park
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Over fifty years or more I have had three business partners succumb to alcoholism. Two died in their fifties the third who is a couple of years younger than I joined AA and is alive though a victim of Parkinson's Disease. All three of them could outwork and out earn me all day long and they were damn good friends and partners. As for alcoholism and coping with stress our horse racing interests made football management look like a walk in the park
This.
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Life is a wonderful mixture of happiness, sadness, stress and boredom. Any true alcoholic will embrace each of these with equal relish as an ideal excuse to get pissed. Although finding out a doctor told your wife and your father that if you keep vomiting blood you won't make it through the night and then being told your alcoholism has caused enough nerve damage in your legs to make it unlikely you will walk again tends to focus the mind. It took me from Christmas to Easter to learn how to walk again. If Ray Wilkins does have a problem (which I wasn't aware of before he joined us) I wish him all the luck in the world.
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Fucking hell, that's a post! Glad you're on the road to recovery now, Damo.
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Good luck with every thing, Damo.
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Can only echo what the others have said.
Well done on getting this far and good luck with you continuing recovery.
And huge respect for talking about it.
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Good man.
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Jesus Damo, that's a post and a half.
My mate (I suspect half-) jokingly calls me 8 ace, but that's in a different league mate.
Your posts usually make me laugh, but this one's really sad.
Really hope you get better, stick with it, things always turn around eventually.
I got made redundant 3 months ago. Went through a pretty rough patch, but starting a new job tomorrow (tues). Onwards and upwards my friend.
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Great post Damo and it puts other petty ones to shame quite frankly. Good luck with your recovery.
And good luck in your new job Robbo.
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Cheers Clampy- looking fwd to it mate
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Your posts usually make me laugh, but this one's really sad.
Look at it another way, Damo is still here making posts that make you laugh.
Good man Damo.
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One day at a time Damo, embrace it and enjoy them. Coming out the other side is not something everyone suffering alcoholic problems manages. Be proud of yourself that you managed it. Never lose sight of those that stood by you either. Well done mate.
Good news Robbo, all the best.
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Well done Damo and all the very best mate!
There but for the grace of God.....
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best wishes Damo, having lost my kid brother this way I wouldn't want your family to have the same pain.
Take each day as it comes and stay strong mate.
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Top man Damo
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Talking about alcoholism,
our greatest was on talk sport this morning non to coherent
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Keep it going Damo, a richer much more fulfilling life awaits when you have the courage to face up to your addiction as you have. Best advice I got was 'people and places', move in different circles to avoid temptation. Top man for getting this far, keep it up.
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Talking about alcoholism,
our greatest was on talk sport this morning non to coherent
Who?
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I'm guessing Paul McGrath?
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All the best to both Damo and Robbo.
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This is Wilkins time with his insider knowledge vs Chelsea he can shine and villa get the 3 points or at least some goals!
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I'm sorry FS, I can't see anything but a Chelsea win this weekend. All the circumstances point to it. Villa on the slide, chelsea on the slide and needing to win at all cost and playing at home. The worst thing is, I can see it being a fairly tight match and them getting the benefit of the officials' benevolence. Either that or we'll get well and truly slayed. Whatever happens can't see anything from this game for us.
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I apologise for the defeatism but I see this match as a damage limitation exercise. We can't afford to ship another eight goals as this will be crucial at the end of this season. I'm using the eight goals as an example, I'm not suggesting we will concede that amount. I will be absolutely delighted if we manage to obtain a positive result.
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If someone offered me a 0-2 defeat on Saturday, I'd have to consider it in terms of I can see it being a whole lot worse in reality.
I really fear for us this weekend.
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I don't fear for us but in the long term is 3-0 better than 3-2?
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Well at least Ray had a nice day out today, high 5'ing chelsea fans In between bouts of hugging and making eyes at Jose .
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I doubt it if this twat and his mate Tim give a fuck about us. They know that they will walk away with millions no matter how shit a job they do so they are probably having a nice dinner at some Michelin garlanded establishment in london tonight at our expense laughing their socks off.
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Wilkins is reported as saying (in yesterdays E&S) "the lads are working so hard in training its embarrassing half the time". What a stupid thing to say. Why is it embarrassing? It is what all professionals are supposed to do for their pots of gold.
When, hopefully, Fox gets rid of this current manager in the near future he can take Wilkins back down south with him.
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I doubt it if this twat and his mate Tim give a fuck about us. They know that they will walk away with millions no matter how shit a job they do so they are probably having a nice dinner at some Michelin garlanded establishment in london tonight at our expense laughing their socks off.
Tim is at risk of ending his managerial career here so he will be bothered but Wilkins won't give a hoot. He's more interested in days out at his old clubs and being interviewed on talk sport
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Life is a wonderful mixture of happiness, sadness, stress and boredom. Any true alcoholic will embrace each of these with equal relish as an ideal excuse to get pissed. Although finding out a doctor told your wife and your father that if you keep vomiting blood you won't make it through the night and then being told your alcoholism has caused enough nerve damage in your legs to make it unlikely you will walk again tends to focus the mind. It took me from Christmas to Easter to learn how to walk again. If Ray Wilkins does have a problem (which I wasn't aware of before he joined us) I wish him all the luck in the world.
It's inevitable there'll be a lot of over dramatic 'I'm more outraged than you' type posts on a football fans' site. Then I read Damo's post. Good luck Damo.
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What's embarrassing Butch is 4 pts from 9 games. What's embarrassing is a genuine grand English club being belittled and talked down so much that finishing with under 40 pts is acceptable as long as we are still in the league for our gravy train money the next season. What's embarrassing is losing for the 8th time in 10 games whilst you're on a jolly, hugging the crowd and winking at your wanker mates.
You're fucking clueless you fester, feck off with nice but dim.
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What's embarrassing Butch is 4 pts from 9 games. What's embarrassing is a genuine grand English club being belittled and talked down so much that finishing with under 40 pts is acceptable as long as we are still in the league for our gravy train money the next season. What's embarrassing is losing for the 8th time in 10 games whilst you're on a jolly, hugging the crowd and winking at your wanker mates.
You're fucking clueless you fester, feck off with nice but dim.
Nicely put.
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What's embarrassing Butch is 4 pts from 9 games. What's embarrassing is a genuine grand English club being belittled and talked down so much that finishing with under 40 pts is acceptable as long as we are still in the league for our gravy train money the next season. What's embarrassing is losing for the 8th time in 10 games whilst you're on a jolly, hugging the crowd and winking at your wanker mates.
You're fucking clueless you fester, feck off with nice but dim.
This. Fuck off Butch.
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We just seem to employ people who have not a clue, have no feel for the club and quite openly enjoy being back at their old stomping ground and not being the slightest embarrassed about our current plight, whilst hugging and kissing their mates from days gone bye.
Don't try that at Villa park after they fuck you off Ray, the hand might just be turned into a fist.
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What's embarrassing Butch is 4 pts from 9 games. What's embarrassing is a genuine grand English club being belittled and talked down so much that finishing with under 40 pts is acceptable as long as we are still in the league for our gravy train money the next season. What's embarrassing is losing for the 8th time in 10 games whilst you're on a jolly, hugging the crowd and winking at your wanker mates.
You're fucking clueless you fester, feck off with nice but dim.
This. Fuck off Butch.
Agree fuck off back to Chelsea Butch permanently.
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I haven't read all the posts, but his 'love in' at Chelsea was embarrassing.
It's his 'last gig' - I think it'll be a short one too ....
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I was in the ground unusually early for the Notts County game as my lad was with me.
Wilkins was working with 5 of the subs when he walked over to the crowd on the Witton Lane side and posed for photos with the fans. This went on for ages. So long in fact, that Joe Cole seemed to take over the coaching side - Wilkins finished with the fans and just walked off!
I did think at the time, yes it's nice to spare time for supporters, but he's well paid and is out there to do a job.
I don't think he's helping Sherwood one bit.
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I haven't read all the posts, but his 'love in' at Chelsea was embarrassing.
It's his 'last gig' - I think it'll be a short one too ....
It was all a bit GED goes back to anfield. doe eyed, wistful looks at the shed , a wink at Jose a high 5 with the fans . Emotional stuff.
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Yes...Saturday was fuckin emotional for me to..!
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Would much rather have Kevin MacDonald back with the first team. Unlike Wilkins, Kevin has the club at heart.
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I really don't understand the animosity towards Wilkins. He's a coach.
I'd think the important elements of his job are being liked by the players, his experience as a professional and following the managers instructions.
I don't actually know what goes on at Bodymoor Heath but I doubt his critics on here do either.
He might be crap at the job, who knows, but why the abusive stuff?
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People get wound up when their failing team are losing and the highly paid coach is on a jolly boys outing.
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People get wound up when their failing team are losing and the highly paid coach is on a jolly boys outing.
Write to the club and request that the staff wear black and don't smile in future.
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I really don't understand the animosity towards Wilkins. He's a coach.
I don't think he is or at least not a good one.
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I really don't understand the animosity towards Wilkins. He's a coach.
I don't think he is or at least not a good one.
I make no apologies for this but he belongs behind a mic now, not on the training pitch or dugout. Again not Rays fault, a stupid call by sherwood , Ramsey may have been more current and relevant for this flawed regime .
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People get wound up when their failing team are losing and the highly paid coach is on a jolly boys outing.
Write to the club and request that the staff wear black and don't smile in future.
Or I could just appreciate it if the coaching staff aren't joking around whilst we are losing our 7th game out of 9 and 5 in a row. Not much to ask is it? Or should I lower my expectations more?
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I really don't understand the animosity towards Wilkins. He's a coach.
I don't think he is or at least not a good one.
I make no apologies for this but he belongs behind a mic now, not on the training pitch or dugout. Again not Rays fault, a stupid call by sherwood , Ramsey may have been more current and relevant for this flawed regime .
What part of his job is he particularly bad at? Do the players dislike working for him?
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I really don't understand the animosity towards Wilkins. He's a coach.
I don't think he is or at least not a good one.
I make no apologies for this but he belongs behind a mic now, not on the training pitch or dugout. Again not Rays fault, a stupid call by sherwood , Ramsey may have been more current and relevant for this flawed regime .
What part of his job is he particularly bad at? Do the players dislike working for him?
I can only comment on what I see on the pitch on match day in terms of tactics, plan, structure etc. I make no apologies for this comment but it's a fucking shambles. That issue is squarely the responsibility and accountability of the manager and coaches .
Sack the fucking lot .
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What part of his job is he particularly bad at? Do the players dislike working for him?
The part that results in us losing 7 out of 9 games.
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I really don't understand the animosity towards Wilkins. He's a coach.
I don't think he is or at least not a good one.
I make no apologies for this but he belongs behind a mic now, not on the training pitch or dugout. Again not Rays fault, a stupid call by sherwood , Ramsey may have been more current and relevant for this flawed regime .
What part of his job is he particularly bad at? Do the players dislike working for him?
I can only comment on what I see on the pitch on match day in terms of tactics, plan, structure etc. I make no apologies for this comment but it's a fucking shambles. That issue is squarely the responsibility and accountability of the manager and coaches .
Sack the fucking lot .
The manager and his team need to go, I agree.
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I was about to say that I hope Wilkins joins Sherwood through the door but it occurs to me that Fox will probably put him in charge as a caretaker.
Just when you thought it couldn't get any worse.
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I was about to say that I hope Wilkins joins Sherwood through the door but it occurs to me that Fox will probably put him in charge as a caretaker.
Just when you thought it couldn't get any worse.
i think this is very likely.
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Kept looking over today. Saw Robson out, Parks out a lot and obviously TS.
Never saw Wilkins move once.
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I have to admit I was really happy when Wilkins was taken on board, but I have been proven wrong
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Wilkins is a very likeable chap and too nice for football management.
No idea why people think this situation is his fault, the team, tactics and sustitutions are not down to him.
Our problems are because of poor decisions by the manager and mistakes by the players.
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If he is part of this management team, and he is
then he to is a COCK
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Wilkins is a very likeable chap and too nice for football management.
No idea why people think this situation is his fault, the team, tactics and sustitutions are not down to him.
Our problems are because of poor decisions by the manager and mistakes by the players.
Surely he has some input on selections and subs, I thought that was why he was on board, but there don't seem to be much bonding between him and the not so special one
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If he is part of this management team, and he is
then he to is a COCK
What a nonsensical load of tripe as usual.
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Wilkins is a very likeable chap and too nice for football management.
No idea why people think this situation is his fault, the team, tactics and sustitutions are not down to him.
Our problems are because of poor decisions by the manager and mistakes by the players.
Surely he has some input on selections and subs, I thought that was why he was on board, but there don't seem to be much bonding between him and the not so special one
Dont know but it is down to the manager. Siralex put a lot of stock into his number 2 and would allways look for opinion. Not all managers do. As someone said Wilkins does not do a lot on the Bench and I do not see Sherwood consulting with any one.
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Wilkins is a very likeable chap and too nice for football management.
No idea why people think this situation is his fault, the team, tactics and sustitutions are not down to him.
Our problems are because of poor decisions by the manager and mistakes by the players.
Your first line is correct and exactly the reason he shouldnt be with us
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Wilkins is a very likeable chap and too nice for football management.
No idea why people think this situation is his fault, the team, tactics and sustitutions are not down to him.
Our problems are because of poor decisions by the manager and mistakes by the players.
Your first line is correct and exactly the reason he shouldnt be with us
He is a coach
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Wilkins is a very likeable chap and too nice for football management.
No idea why people think this situation is his fault, the team, tactics and sustitutions are not down to him.
Our problems are because of poor decisions by the manager and mistakes by the players.
Your first line is correct and exactly the reason he shouldnt be with us
He is a coach
Oh, he transports the players to the training ground then!
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Wilkins is a very likeable chap and too nice for football management.
No idea why people think this situation is his fault, the team, tactics and sustitutions are not down to him.
Our problems are because of poor decisions by the manager and mistakes by the players.
Your first line is correct and exactly the reason he shouldnt be with us
He is a coach
No they all manage to drive themselves there in thier swanky sports cars except Gestede who trots chasing a carrot on a peice of string.
Oh, he transports the players to the training ground then!
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On the train back to London last night and a mate and I were slagging off sherwood to two boro fans. Looked up and Ray Wilkins was walking by on his way to the buffett car. Oops.
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On the train back to London last night and a mate and I were slagging off sherwood to two boro fans. Looked up and Ray Wilkins was walking by on his way to the buffett car. Oops.
I would of made his trip home very unpleasant
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Sorry for being a COCK
No problem, the pressure is getting to all of us
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Assistant manager is very overrated position, it's usually someone who can keep a manager company. They have very limited powers and don't even train the squad as that is first team coach's role.
People were getting carried away just like when Roy Keane pitched up thinking that alone would produce an extra 5 points, it just dosen't work like that, they're not playing for us.
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Bye-bye Ray
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Change the title mods to Ray leaves us
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...or just lock and delete it like it never happened
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And Robson! Kevin MacDonald in temp charge.Oh dear!
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He came and added nothing except high fives at the chuds
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Have he got the sack as well yet ?
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Have he got the sack as well yet ?
Ray Wilkins, first-team coach Mark Robson and performance analyst Seamus Brady have also left.
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Wilkins, Culverhouse, Keane. Wank assistants to a man, wank manager and wank assistants, just a stream of wank.
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The clearout does indicate they may have someone lined up.
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I think that seems right clampy. However, I won't give any possible credit to the board until we see who we end up with.
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Ray Wilkins, he came, nobody knows what he was doing, he left.
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Ray Wilkins, he came, nobody knows what he was doing, he left.
yep. And what on earth was "performance analyst" Brady up to this season?
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Good riddance. What a joke appointment he was.
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Ray Wilkins, he came, nobody knows what he was doing, he left.
yep. And what on earth was "performance analyst" Brady up to this season?
Easy gig that.
Shit. Shit. Shit. Shit. Shit. Shit.
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Not so butch now is he
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Chelsea loving wanker. Good riddance.
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Chelsea loving wanker. Good riddance.
Poetry.
First time I've laughed on any related Villa topic this week.
Yep, see you Butch. nice guy no doubt, but about as effective as a chocolate teapot.
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he was so far up Chavski's arse he's probably known a few tosspots in his time.
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He should apply for the mascot job at Chelsea. I'm sure he was auditioning for it last week.
Good riddance.
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Ray's too rotund to walk up and down the touchline waving at the crowd though. On the up side, he wouldn't need any sort of costume to look stupid.
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Fuck Off ya Boring Bastard
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Was Wilkins a worse appointment than Keane or vice versa?
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He came, he did nothing, he left.
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Was Wilkins a worse appointment than Keane or vice versa?
On a par job for the boys
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His antics at Stamford bridge last week made my skin crawl.
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Goodbye Uncle Fester.
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Should this thread be renamed "Ray Wilkins leaves us"?
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I convinced myself he would be a big impact when he signed on. Then we looked like fat wheezing dogs on the pitch, had no idea how to space ourselves and had the merry go round of alcohol addiction talk.
What a waste, gtfo.
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His antics at Stamford bridge last week made my skin crawl.
A bit over the top, but there you go.
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Possibly get a job with one of the lesser London clubs.Brentford,Charlton something like that.But a failure here.
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Well it didn't take him long. Anyone up early tomorrow he's doing the TS breakfast show with Mr Brasil. Let's see what nice things he has to say about us .
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probably nicer than yours
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From The Birmingham Mail website
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/former-aston-villa-assistant-boss-10560299#rlabs=2%20rt$sitewide%20p$2
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From The Birmingham Mail website
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/former-aston-villa-assistant-boss-10560299#rlabs=2%20rt$sitewide%20p$2
No Ray, SHUT THE F¤¤K UP. There's a good boy.
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Now now Ray. So the ones who joined in the summer were not as good as the ones who left?
So Ray, I would include yourself in that statement while your becoming talentless Tim's mouthpiece.
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No Ray, Sherwood was not brought in to run the club, he was brought in to manage the team and coaching staff. Which half of the players brought in were Sherwood's? I assume they were the one's that his selection gravitated to.
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Can anyone guess Tim's 50% of the transfer selections then?
Lescott?
Richards?
Gestede?
So that's 2 of our worst players this season then. Who else?
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Bunn?
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Bunn?
Who can't displace the walking gift of a goal that is Guzan.
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Never wanted the bloke anywhere near Villa but this is all rather sad.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-36885984
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Never wanted the bloke anywhere near Villa but this is all rather sad.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-36885984
Don't start fucking blaming us for his partaking of the cooking sherry.
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Why hasn't he been jailed ?
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Tim Sherwood didn't know he had alcohol issues? Christ, we were in a real mess.
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He's obviously got a serious problem, however he should be grateful he didn't kill someone. The fact that he didn't shouldn't detract from my belief that he should be locked up for this...his third conviction for the same offence.
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Shame it has come to this for a great player. However it just highlights how Tim ended up getting his mates around him without any professional diligence in selection process.
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He owes a big debt of thanks to the person who took his car keys away.
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selfish cnut - addict or not he could have killed someone
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The illness of alcoholism has my deep sympathy. A drunk getting into a car is a very different thing. He has been caught doing it three times so guess for yourself how many times he has done it and got away with it.
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Never wanted the bloke anywhere near Villa but this is all rather sad.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-36885984
Very sad indeed. Hope he manages to manage his addiction.
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I know addiction doesn't work like this..... But what the jeff was he doing getting behind the wheel of a car. He's lucky he didn't kill someone.
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Shame it has come to this for a great player. However it just highlights how Tim ended up getting his mates around him without any professional diligence in selection process.
Great player...really?
I only remember him being the crab of all crabs.
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Still masks the bigger problem of addiction in football.
From such a young age, youngsters are being told they are fabulous, nothing is too much as far as they are concerned.
They believe the hype and go through life receiving. They believe they are infallible and this is what happens.
Football is now strewn with so many such stories. Something is definitely wrong.
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the only memory I have of 'butch' lol really Wilkins was Villa fans singing No hair , Wilkins has got no hair while he took the corners .
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I had always liked him as player and as a pundit and thought he spoke sense. I was impressed when I heard he was joining us but he ended up being an unmitigated disaster and when in the dug out I never saw what he was meant to offer. It not like the modern players even respected him. Mix that with the billy big bollocks of Sherwood and its clear to see we were a disaster waiting to happen.
Now I know it must have been difficult for him with addiction and I hope he gets sorted but I lost a good friend to a selfish drunk driver and its a real pet hate of mine
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we only found out wilkins had a drink problem via a court case. What else was going on behind the scenes in a season when the villa fell apart?
Clubs do not perform a badly as we did because there are a few people not up to the job- it has to have been a total mess, and has the new administration got what it takes? Di Matteo has started well. But are the team around him his choices? What about the guy coming from Southampton? Will he replace the people who picked the wrong players last summer all by himself? Reilly is still in place.
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I have lost three business associates to alcoholism and the one thing they all had in common was that the drink did not impair their business abilities in any way. Men and women who drive themselves to excel are particularly vulnerable.
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He was happy enough to take a pay packet from us without doing much for it except call us out after he'd left.
I was never an admirer and I'm still not.
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He was happy enough to take a pay packet from us without doing much for it except call us out after he'd left.
I was never an admirer and I'm still not.
Pretty much me plus I hate the way he would just spout random cliches on radio so would imagine he was just saying that in the dressing room aswell.
Big one for me was that monumental double substitution fcuk up at Leicester when 2 up. As an experienced football man he should've been in Sherwood's ear telling him it wasn't a particularly clever idea.
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I have lost three business associates to alcoholism and the one thing they all had in common was that the drink did not impair their business abilities in any way. Men and women who drive themselves to excel are particularly vulnerable.
Wise words Brian but I suspect Ray's desire to excel was as a player, I'd guess that, at best, coaching/commentary was a relatively convenient gravy train rather than a genuine passion [typed having drunk maybe 7 pints tonight so a tad hypocritical ...]
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TS couldn't have been aware of his problem, surely.
Often seen at the Belfry with a glass of wine in hand as soon as he walked in, so no great surprise, but he must have been at Villa under the influence, and not in a Paul McGrath way !
Last season truly was a disaster.
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Old Butch seems to be re writing the History of the England team on talk sport , apparently we seemed to have a lot of world class players in that golden generation
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Old Butch seems to be re writing the History of the England team on talk sport , apparently we seemed to have a lot of world class players in that golden generation
The likes of him, Gerry Francis. He typified the defensive type of game that was encouraged at the time