Quote from: Ads on July 08, 2017, 08:11:53 PMQuote from: KevinGage on July 08, 2017, 07:11:52 PMQuote from: tomd2103 on July 08, 2017, 06:36:32 PMQuote from: KevinGage on July 08, 2017, 02:43:22 PMHe's so rubbish it's only smallfry like Sevilla who are desperate enough to take him off our hands. Wouldn't surprise me if within 2/3 years Amavi, Gueye and Veretout are all playing Champions League football. Would surprise me if we're saying the same about Neil Taylor, Glen Whelan and Elmohamady.That's great, but it's what happens this season in the Championship that is more of a concern to us really. Downgrading the playing staff and hoping to do better isn't the way to go really. Downgrading? I'm not sure I've seen anything of Amavi that would indicate he's half as good as the excellent Taylor.Absolutely, hence Taylor moving to one of the most successful clubs in Europe over the last few seasons for £8m so he can play in the Champions League next season.Actually hang on...
Quote from: KevinGage on July 08, 2017, 07:11:52 PMQuote from: tomd2103 on July 08, 2017, 06:36:32 PMQuote from: KevinGage on July 08, 2017, 02:43:22 PMHe's so rubbish it's only smallfry like Sevilla who are desperate enough to take him off our hands. Wouldn't surprise me if within 2/3 years Amavi, Gueye and Veretout are all playing Champions League football. Would surprise me if we're saying the same about Neil Taylor, Glen Whelan and Elmohamady.That's great, but it's what happens this season in the Championship that is more of a concern to us really. Downgrading the playing staff and hoping to do better isn't the way to go really. Downgrading? I'm not sure I've seen anything of Amavi that would indicate he's half as good as the excellent Taylor.
Quote from: tomd2103 on July 08, 2017, 06:36:32 PMQuote from: KevinGage on July 08, 2017, 02:43:22 PMHe's so rubbish it's only smallfry like Sevilla who are desperate enough to take him off our hands. Wouldn't surprise me if within 2/3 years Amavi, Gueye and Veretout are all playing Champions League football. Would surprise me if we're saying the same about Neil Taylor, Glen Whelan and Elmohamady.That's great, but it's what happens this season in the Championship that is more of a concern to us really. Downgrading the playing staff and hoping to do better isn't the way to go really.
Quote from: KevinGage on July 08, 2017, 02:43:22 PMHe's so rubbish it's only smallfry like Sevilla who are desperate enough to take him off our hands. Wouldn't surprise me if within 2/3 years Amavi, Gueye and Veretout are all playing Champions League football. Would surprise me if we're saying the same about Neil Taylor, Glen Whelan and Elmohamady.That's great, but it's what happens this season in the Championship that is more of a concern to us really.
He's so rubbish it's only smallfry like Sevilla who are desperate enough to take him off our hands. Wouldn't surprise me if within 2/3 years Amavi, Gueye and Veretout are all playing Champions League football. Would surprise me if we're saying the same about Neil Taylor, Glen Whelan and Elmohamady.
Quote from: tomd2103 on July 08, 2017, 06:36:32 PMQuote from: KevinGage on July 08, 2017, 02:43:22 PMHe's so rubbish it's only smallfry like Sevilla who are desperate enough to take him off our hands. Wouldn't surprise me if within 2/3 years Amavi, Gueye and Veretout are all playing Champions League football. Would surprise me if we're saying the same about Neil Taylor, Glen Whelan and Elmohamady.That's great, but it's what happens this season in the Championship that is more of a concern to us really. It is but it shouldn't be but for some reason we've become so inured to short-termism that anyone who looks like they need a year of coaching is 'fucking shit'.Amavi can be a very good player if he finds a manager willing to actually offer some coaching and tactics. Gana has already shown that he is good in a decent, well managed, team and I suspect Veretout will prove the same. This is why I was against Bruce, he wants to sign players who are 'finished articles' so he can get away with doing very little on the training ground, it might work but it's all very mon-like and it appears we haven't learned a fucking thing from the mess he made.
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on July 08, 2017, 07:25:47 PMSevilla are in the CL so Amavi will be playing in it soon.Are they though?Don't they have a qualifying round first.
Sevilla are in the CL so Amavi will be playing in it soon.
Quote from: paul_e on July 08, 2017, 07:24:55 PMQuote from: tomd2103 on July 08, 2017, 06:36:32 PMQuote from: KevinGage on July 08, 2017, 02:43:22 PMHe's so rubbish it's only smallfry like Sevilla who are desperate enough to take him off our hands. Wouldn't surprise me if within 2/3 years Amavi, Gueye and Veretout are all playing Champions League football. Would surprise me if we're saying the same about Neil Taylor, Glen Whelan and Elmohamady.That's great, but it's what happens this season in the Championship that is more of a concern to us really. It is but it shouldn't be but for some reason we've become so inured to short-termism that anyone who looks like they need a year of coaching is 'fucking shit'.Amavi can be a very good player if he finds a manager willing to actually offer some coaching and tactics. Gana has already shown that he is good in a decent, well managed, team and I suspect Veretout will prove the same. This is why I was against Bruce, he wants to sign players who are 'finished articles' so he can get away with doing very little on the training ground, it might work but it's all very mon-like and it appears we haven't learned a fucking thing from the mess he made.Getting out of this division is the be-all and end-all this season though Paul. We can't afford to have a few seasons where we allow players to bed in.
Quote from: tomd2103 on July 08, 2017, 09:17:32 PMQuote from: paul_e on July 08, 2017, 07:24:55 PMQuote from: tomd2103 on July 08, 2017, 06:36:32 PMQuote from: KevinGage on July 08, 2017, 02:43:22 PMHe's so rubbish it's only smallfry like Sevilla who are desperate enough to take him off our hands. Wouldn't surprise me if within 2/3 years Amavi, Gueye and Veretout are all playing Champions League football. Would surprise me if we're saying the same about Neil Taylor, Glen Whelan and Elmohamady.That's great, but it's what happens this season in the Championship that is more of a concern to us really. It is but it shouldn't be but for some reason we've become so inured to short-termism that anyone who looks like they need a year of coaching is 'fucking shit'.Amavi can be a very good player if he finds a manager willing to actually offer some coaching and tactics. Gana has already shown that he is good in a decent, well managed, team and I suspect Veretout will prove the same. This is why I was against Bruce, he wants to sign players who are 'finished articles' so he can get away with doing very little on the training ground, it might work but it's all very mon-like and it appears we haven't learned a fucking thing from the mess he made.Getting out of this division is the be-all and end-all this season though Paul. We can't afford to have a few seasons where we allow players to bed in. That was the excuse for short term thinking last season as well and then if we get promoted it'll be "staying up is the most important thing" and we'll muddle along exactly as we were before relegation.
Quote from: paul_e on July 08, 2017, 10:30:04 PMQuote from: tomd2103 on July 08, 2017, 09:17:32 PMQuote from: paul_e on July 08, 2017, 07:24:55 PMQuote from: tomd2103 on July 08, 2017, 06:36:32 PMQuote from: KevinGage on July 08, 2017, 02:43:22 PMHe's so rubbish it's only smallfry like Sevilla who are desperate enough to take him off our hands. Wouldn't surprise me if within 2/3 years Amavi, Gueye and Veretout are all playing Champions League football. Would surprise me if we're saying the same about Neil Taylor, Glen Whelan and Elmohamady.That's great, but it's what happens this season in the Championship that is more of a concern to us really. It is but it shouldn't be but for some reason we've become so inured to short-termism that anyone who looks like they need a year of coaching is 'fucking shit'.Amavi can be a very good player if he finds a manager willing to actually offer some coaching and tactics. Gana has already shown that he is good in a decent, well managed, team and I suspect Veretout will prove the same. This is why I was against Bruce, he wants to sign players who are 'finished articles' so he can get away with doing very little on the training ground, it might work but it's all very mon-like and it appears we haven't learned a fucking thing from the mess he made.Getting out of this division is the be-all and end-all this season though Paul. We can't afford to have a few seasons where we allow players to bed in. That was the excuse for short term thinking last season as well and then if we get promoted it'll be "staying up is the most important thing" and we'll muddle along exactly as we were before relegation.I think we can worry about how we do in the Premier League when we get there Paul.
Quote from: tomd2103 on July 08, 2017, 10:33:26 PMQuote from: paul_e on July 08, 2017, 10:30:04 PMQuote from: tomd2103 on July 08, 2017, 09:17:32 PMQuote from: paul_e on July 08, 2017, 07:24:55 PMQuote from: tomd2103 on July 08, 2017, 06:36:32 PMQuote from: KevinGage on July 08, 2017, 02:43:22 PMHe's so rubbish it's only smallfry like Sevilla who are desperate enough to take him off our hands. Wouldn't surprise me if within 2/3 years Amavi, Gueye and Veretout are all playing Champions League football. Would surprise me if we're saying the same about Neil Taylor, Glen Whelan and Elmohamady.That's great, but it's what happens this season in the Championship that is more of a concern to us really. It is but it shouldn't be but for some reason we've become so inured to short-termism that anyone who looks like they need a year of coaching is 'fucking shit'.Amavi can be a very good player if he finds a manager willing to actually offer some coaching and tactics. Gana has already shown that he is good in a decent, well managed, team and I suspect Veretout will prove the same. This is why I was against Bruce, he wants to sign players who are 'finished articles' so he can get away with doing very little on the training ground, it might work but it's all very mon-like and it appears we haven't learned a fucking thing from the mess he made.Getting out of this division is the be-all and end-all this season though Paul. We can't afford to have a few seasons where we allow players to bed in. That was the excuse for short term thinking last season as well and then if we get promoted it'll be "staying up is the most important thing" and we'll muddle along exactly as we were before relegation.I think we can worry about how we do in the Premier League when we get there Paul. You're doing a great job of proving my point
Amavi has talent and could become a good player, problem is that it's mainly based on his potential. Of 2 years ago. In an ideal world we'd stick with him but when you're stuck in Division 2 with FFP issues you don't always have that luxury. We also don't know if said he was unhappy and wanted to move, not saying that happened, but that potentially forces your hand as well. And that Sevilla are signing him and he'll probably play in the CL doesn't automatically mean he's a good player. CL sides buys loads of players over the years that never amount to much. The Djemba twins at Man Utd is an obvious example. I said in the transfer thread, if Amavi had spent 2 years at say Norwich, and had an identical injury and performances for them, how many would want us spending £8m on him?