It's not Sherwood!

[Tony Erdington]

He knows he can't turn it around & is now asking to be sacked , him quitting will cost him too much £££s.
pretty much the same as Lambert 12months ago

Agreed, which makes him a c - - -

No it doesn't, it makes him entirely normal in football or other walks of life. The ones who don't do it this way, and honourably walk rather than taking a pay off, are few and far between.

i'll qualify what I was saying for you Vegas, I agreed with the original point, and as I am an Aston Villa fan , thats why I see tim twat as a ******, not because i am not aware that there is no loyalty in football obv's

[mr underhill]

Dicky did the right thing at Blunderland only two weeks ago; old time good manners still alive - just.

[pauliewalnuts]

When people who don't work in top flight football talk about how managers should just quit and walk away with nothing, or how players should walk away from big money for the chance to play at this club or that, or how they should forego things like loyalty bonuses or stuff they are contractually entitled to just because it is our club, you can pretty much guarantee they'd think a bit differently if they were the people in that situation.

If contractually we owe Sherwood a lot of money if we get rid of him now, then absolutely Sherwood should be expected to act in his own interests and get that money. I would do exactly the same myself, and I bet - if we really found ourselves in that situation - so would the rest of us.

[mr underhill]

I'm sure you're right but it's always heart warming to see the odd person not do so. In Tim's case just pay him off, the sooner the better, as it's obvious he is not fit for purpose.

[Tony Erdington]

agreed, paulie, But if your not the person who is in for the pay out, and you have an interest in the business and its well being , as I do with Aston Villa, then you (I) tend to have an opinion about the person taking from the business.

[luke95]

If contractually we owe Sherwood a lot of money if we get rid of him now, then absolutely Sherwood should be expected to act in his own interests and get that money. I would do exactly the same myself, and I bet - if we really found ourselves in that situation - so would the rest of us.

I agree to a point ...But If I/you had enough money to have already secured our futures for life we might see it differently.
At what point does professional pride kick in ?

[Chico Hamilton III]

When people who don't work in top flight football talk about how managers should just quit and walk away with nothing, or how players should walk away from big money for the chance to play at this club or that, or how they should forego things like loyalty bonuses or stuff they are contractually entitled to just because it is our club, you can pretty much guarantee they'd think a bit differently if they were the people in that situation.

If contractually we owe Sherwood a lot of money if we get rid of him now, then absolutely Sherwood should be expected to act in his own interests and get that money. I would do exactly the same myself, and I bet - if we really found ourselves in that situation - so would the rest of us.

But in any "normal" job, wouldn't the employee have been sacked if they'd performed as poorly as Sherwood. Managers don't get made redundant, they get fired, so why the compensation? You can probably tell I'm not overly familiar with employment legislation. We've been stung twice with Lambert and Sherwood, offering them stupidly long contracts when there were no other clubs fighting us for their signatures.

[pauliewalnuts]

When people who don't work in top flight football talk about how managers should just quit and walk away with nothing, or how players should walk away from big money for the chance to play at this club or that, or how they should forego things like loyalty bonuses or stuff they are contractually entitled to just because it is our club, you can pretty much guarantee they'd think a bit differently if they were the people in that situation.

If contractually we owe Sherwood a lot of money if we get rid of him now, then absolutely Sherwood should be expected to act in his own interests and get that money. I would do exactly the same myself, and I bet - if we really found ourselves in that situation - so would the rest of us.

But in any "normal" job, wouldn't the employee have been sacked if they'd performed as poorly as Sherwood. Managers don't get made redundant, they get fired, so why the compensation? You can probably tell I'm not overly familiar with employment legislation. We've been stung twice with Lambert and Sherwood, offering them stupidly long contracts when there were no other clubs fighting us for their signatures.

I don't disagree with any of that, Chico, far from it.

That's all moot, though, because the football industry is like that, and failure does get rewarded with huge amounts of money.

That's what his contract will have provided for, that is what we agreed to, and he would be entitled to it, whether we like it or not.

[Toronto Villa]

If contractually we owe Sherwood a lot of money if we get rid of him now, then absolutely Sherwood should be expected to act in his own interests and get that money. I would do exactly the same myself, and I bet - if we really found ourselves in that situation - so would the rest of us.

I agree to a point ...But If I/you had enough money to have already secured our futures for life we might see it differently.
At what point does professional pride kick in ?

What does professional pride mean though? Sherwood is likely owed hundreds of thousands of £'s in contractually agreed compensation, so why would walk away? His attitude would that if the club wants him gone they need to breach the contract and pay him accordingly. And I am sure he has already consulted legal advise to ensure he is positioned appropriately should the day come.

[Vegas]

When people who don't work in top flight football talk about how managers should just quit and walk away with nothing, or how players should walk away from big money for the chance to play at this club or that, or how they should forego things like loyalty bonuses or stuff they are contractually entitled to just because it is our club, you can pretty much guarantee they'd think a bit differently if they were the people in that situation.

If contractually we owe Sherwood a lot of money if we get rid of him now, then absolutely Sherwood should be expected to act in his own interests and get that money. I would do exactly the same myself, and I bet - if we really found ourselves in that situation - so would the rest of us.

But in any "normal" job, wouldn't the employee have been sacked if they'd performed as poorly as Sherwood. Managers don't get made redundant, they get fired, so why the compensation? You can probably tell I'm not overly familiar with employment legislation. We've been stung twice with Lambert and Sherwood, offering them stupidly long contracts when there were no other clubs fighting us for their signatures.

I don't disagree with any of that, Chico, far from it.

That's all moot, though, because the football industry is like that, and failure does get rewarded with huge amounts of money.

That's what his contract will have provided for, that is what we agreed to, and he would be entitled to it, whether we like it or not.

One difference is fixed term contracts vs 'notice period' contracts. Most managerial non-football jobs are on a mutual 3 or 6 months notice period. You can get fired for things like gross misconduct without the employer paying up, but in practice the employee nearly always gets their notice period paid up if the employer wants rid.

The difference in football is that the sums are much larger and the time period paid out on typically measured in years not months due to the fixed term contracts.

But in principle, there's little difference - if the employer wants to make a change they pay the necessary contractual term.

[kippaxvilla2]

When people who don't work in top flight football talk about how managers should just quit and walk away with nothing, or how players should walk away from big money for the chance to play at this club or that, or how they should forego things like loyalty bonuses or stuff they are contractually entitled to just because it is our club, you can pretty much guarantee they'd think a bit differently if they were the people in that situation.

If contractually we owe Sherwood a lot of money if we get rid of him now, then absolutely Sherwood should be expected to act in his own interests and get that money. I would do exactly the same myself, and I bet - if we really found ourselves in that situation - so would the rest of us.

But in any "normal" job, wouldn't the employee have been sacked if they'd performed as poorly as Sherwood. Managers don't get made redundant, they get fired, so why the compensation? You can probably tell I'm not overly familiar with employment legislation. We've been stung twice with Lambert and Sherwood, offering them stupidly long contracts when there were no other clubs fighting us for their signatures.

I don't disagree with any of that, Chico, far from it.

That's all moot, though, because the football industry is like that, and failure does get rewarded with huge amounts of money.

That's what his contract will have provided for, that is what we agreed to, and he would be entitled to it, whether we like it or not.

I read somewhere that whilst on the face of it, it doesn't make any sense, it is entirely due to the fact it is the most precarious of jobs therefore a short lifespan is expected, hence the compo benefits.

[kippaxvilla2]

Also, I haven't read the last few pages but no doubt it has been mentioned.  But, what on earth is he doing coming out with statements like 'he is bored' of watching Aston Villa. It is as if he knows his days are numbered and is passed caring.  Why would you run through walls for him as a player when he says things like that.

[frankmosswasmyuncle]

Also, I haven't read the last few pages but no doubt it has been mentioned.  But, what on earth is he doing coming out with statements like 'he is bored' of watching Aston Villa. It is as if he knows his days are numbered and is passed caring.  Why would you run through walls for him as a player when he says things like that.

He's distancing himself from the shit he's dishing up.

Blame everyone else for everything...goes down well with the journos!

[Chris Harte]

When as a manager you Know Fuck All about your own players, as seems to be the case with Sherwood from some of his selections, you must surely know the gig is up.

He's bored? How does he think we feel?

[Marlon From Bearwood]

The first few pages of this thread make for very interesting reading. We all knew didn't we?

Proof if needed that the lack of a footballing brain at the club continues to really drive us further along our downward spiral.

A bunch of posters on a message board knew hiring Sherwood would be a bad idea, yet according to the clueless Mr Fox he was on a "short list of one".

The mind boggles. It would be funny if it wasn't so tragic.