It's not Sherwood!

[Toronto Villa]

Surely entering games negatively doesn't mean the manager can't be respectful of the club?

Good point about McLeish, he was good that way as well. Which, as well as marking out that Sherwood is hardly something new, points out how meaningless it can look when events start on the pitch.

McLeish made me want to stop watching football, it was that depressing. Lambert did the same towards the end. But I think suggesting they weren't both highly respectful of the club and that they didn't say the same things as Sherwood has is grossly unfair to them.

O'Leary, on the other hand...

What I'm saying is that it is easy to be respectful verbally of a club. I'm sure if Lambert took over at Barnet he'd be respectful. It's just that when he got to the weekend, he forgot he was Aston Villa manager and he may as well have been Barnet manager for the way we set up and ultimately capitulated in games. I think you need to have a very strong personality to be manager of Aston Villa and maybe nice blokes though they were, they didn't have the required bravado to deal with the demands of the job.

[OCD]

Whatever gets said about his time at Spurs, he left a legacy there. He brought Kane, Bentaleb and Mason through who are now the core of their team. He notably re-energised Adebayor too when nobody else seems too. So it looks like he's very good at getting the most out of the assets at his disposable. An intriguing question then is 'how will he fare in the transfer market?' That's the biggest unknown that can determine how far he'll go as a manager. 

[Mister E]

Is Sherwood one such bullshitter? Maybe he has a career as a firefighter type who might get found out in longer-term jobs, but will always have a job ...

... I'm not blinded, I just know it can change very quickly in either direction in football. He wasn't necessarily the worst manager ever after his first two games (though he made a few mistakes), and he's not necessarily the best in the world having won a few. I love the wins, and want us to stay up, and scoring four in a game was amazing. We'll just see if it lasts.

But he wasn't just a 'firefighter' - he has good / excellent experience in the academy environment and - yes - that's not quite the same, but for someone with a bit of nous and credibility it's a good way to learn the ropes.
I have to say, I wasn't a great fan of his but the people who have worked with him in the game talk highly of him and his capability (as they did of Lambarse, of course!).
It's definitely 'wait and see' for me, but with optimism rather than doubt.

[Mister E]

Whatever gets said about his time at Spurs, he left a legacy there. He brought Kane, Bentaleb and Mason through who are now the core of their team. He notably re-energised Adebayor too when nobody else seems too. So it looks like he's very good at getting the most out of the assets at his disposable. An intriguing question then is 'how will he fare in the transfer market?' That's the biggest unknown that can determine how far he'll go as a manager. 

re the transfer question, I agree that it is a potential Achilles heel for him. But, there is a plan to bring in a DoF and we also have the Head of Recruitment (Reilly?) to support Sherwood in the market.

[Toronto Villa]

Whatever gets said about his time at Spurs, he left a legacy there. He brought Kane, Bentaleb and Mason through who are now the core of their team. He notably re-energised Adebayor too when nobody else seems too. So it looks like he's very good at getting the most out of the assets at his disposable. An intriguing question then is 'how will he fare in the transfer market?' That's the biggest unknown that can determine how far he'll go as a manager. 

re the transfer question, I agree that it is a potential Achilles heel for him. But, there is a plan to bring in a DoF and we also have the Head of Recruitment (Reilly?) to support Sherwood in the market.

hard to know how good or bad he'll be. There are a lot of duffers playing in the PL that manager's with a long standing in the game have introduced. I imagine just like everyone who has ever managed he'll have good and bad buys. A lot will be down to the budget he gets and especially the wage budget to attract the better names.

[Monty]

There are many people, Spurs fans and journalists, who will dispute and chasten that record with young players. He now claims credit for bringing through Kane, even though Kane has explicitly credited Pocchettino's fitness regime. He brought Bentaleb into the team, but he played really quite badly a lot of the time once there (perhaps because of the exposed midfield 2 he was always playing in). As for Mason, he's definitely not a Sherwood 'pick', so to speak. Sherwood also wasn't a Guardiola-style youth coach for them, with daily interaction and all that - he was a director of youth development, whose main job was to sign youth players.

It tells you something about his lack of experience that, at 47 years old, the only two relevant jobs on his CV are youth director at Spurs and a very brief managerial stint at Spurs. Doesn't mean he can't be a success, but those of us concerned about his lack of experience are proved right by the conversation that's actually taking place. If he does well, then terrific, what an appointment. I certainly think he can keep us up, and frankly that's all I care about at the moment.

[OCD]

Whatever gets said about his time at Spurs, he left a legacy there. He brought Kane, Bentaleb and Mason through who are now the core of their team. He notably re-energised Adebayor too when nobody else seems too. So it looks like he's very good at getting the most out of the assets at his disposable. An intriguing question then is 'how will he fare in the transfer market?' That's the biggest unknown that can determine how far he'll go as a manager. 

re the transfer question, I agree that it is a potential Achilles heel for him. But, there is a plan to bring in a DoF and we also have the Head of Recruitment (Reilly?) to support Sherwood in the market.

Yep. Equally people have questioned his tactical know-how but he's put together a coaching staff that might well cover any weaknesses that he has as an individual.

[Mister E]

Whatever gets said about his time at Spurs, he left a legacy there. He brought Kane, Bentaleb and Mason through who are now the core of their team. He notably re-energised Adebayor too when nobody else seems too. So it looks like he's very good at getting the most out of the assets at his disposable. An intriguing question then is 'how will he fare in the transfer market?' That's the biggest unknown that can determine how far he'll go as a manager. 

re the transfer question, I agree that it is a potential Achilles heel for him. But, there is a plan to bring in a DoF and we also have the Head of Recruitment (Reilly?) to support Sherwood in the market.

hard to know how good or bad he'll be. There are a lot of duffers playing in the PL that manager's with a long standing in the game have introduced. I imagine just like everyone who has ever managed he'll have good and bad buys. A lot will be down to the budget he gets and especially the wage budget to attract the better names.

And, re your last sentence, that's where the introduction of a good DoF could be a win-win: an insurance card for the club and fantastic experience for TS to learn from.
It's all down to who they select, and maybe TS will get a shout in that decision.

[villan from luton]

I thought I read recently Kane was praising Sherwood for bringing him along. As for the transfer market, lets give him a chance, I think he may be able to entice a decent player or two

[OCD]

Considering Spurs kept loaning Kane out time after time, I would be surprised if he didn't credit Sherwood for giving him a chance.

[Tokyo Sexwhale]

I think Sherwood has got us playing to the standards we ought to be achieving.  Beating West Brom and Sunderland is what we should expect most of the time with a competent manager.  It looks like a miracle in comparison with what went before when we wouldn't have been favourites to beat anyone.

If we beat Man U, Man City or Spurs; or win the FA Cup, then we might start to think that he's something special. 

As it is, I'm happy with what he's done in a short time, it's a promising start.

[Toronto Villa]

There are many people, Spurs fans and journalists, who will dispute and chasten that record with young players. He now claims credit for bringing through Kane, even though Kane has explicitly credited Pocchettino's fitness regime. He brought Bentaleb into the team, but he played really quite badly a lot of the time once there (perhaps because of the exposed midfield 2 he was always playing in). As for Mason, he's definitely not a Sherwood 'pick', so to speak. Sherwood also wasn't a Guardiola-style youth coach for them, with daily interaction and all that - he was a director of youth development, whose main job was to sign youth players.

It tells you something about his lack of experience that, at 47 years old, the only two relevant jobs on his CV are youth director at Spurs and a very brief managerial stint at Spurs. Doesn't mean he can't be a success, but those of us concerned about his lack of experience are proved right by the conversation that's actually taking place. If he does well, then terrific, what an appointment. I certainly think he can keep us up, and frankly that's all I care about at the moment.

well he stopped playing in 2005, became an assistant coach at Spurs in 2008 and Technical director in 2012, manager at the end of 2013. It's not like there is a list of jobs he didn't get. He was at Spurs all along and in fact you could argue he worked his way through the system albeit at one club which is why they took the chance on him being manager in the first place. Maybe the three years after finishing playing he was burnt. After all he did finish his career at Coventry, enough to kill the spirit of any man.

Yes, and your last point is the most critical though I'll forgive him if he brings home an FA Cup also.

[Damo70]

What's been fun is that he has really bigged us up, which going back even to MON at times, our managers didn't do a great job of. In fact, some of the stuff they came out with was essentially belittling of our history and place in the game.

That's an example.

What about Lambert? He was a shit manager, but he was nothing but respectful of our place in the game. Even when he was losing matches for us as fast as they came and under pressure, he remained like that.

Sherwood is saying what he thinks he should say. Which is great, and a million times better than Houllier telling you you're shitter than Liverpool, but it's hardly a new thing.

Even MON did it.

There. Praise for MON. And on that bombshell, I'm going for a lie down.

Haha got you to praise MON!! I never said those managers were not respectful, but that's not the same as what I was referring to. Like McLeish, Lambert was hugely complimentary about being Villa manager, but towards the end we became little Aston Villa in how we approached whoever we played. He might not have said it, but it is how he presented the club on the pitch that mattered. We went into games scared to death, not confident of anything at all.

I think our eventual approach under Lambert came from him being punch drunk  from too many batterings. Like someone going out on a dark night who had been mugged more than once I think he turned into a nervous wreck when it came to sending out football teams. TSM's approach always surprised me. For someone who had been part of Ferguson's Aberdeen side that put the likes of Celtic, Rangers and Real Madrid in the shade and then achieved success of some sort in every managerial job he had previously held he seemed very cautious.

[SoccerHQ]

There are many people, Spurs fans and journalists, who will dispute and chasten that record with young players. He now claims credit for bringing through Kane, even though Kane has explicitly credited Pocchettino's fitness regime. He brought Bentaleb into the team, but he played really quite badly a lot of the time once there (perhaps because of the exposed midfield 2 he was always playing in). As for Mason, he's definitely not a Sherwood 'pick', so to speak. Sherwood also wasn't a Guardiola-style youth coach for them, with daily interaction and all that - he was a director of youth development, whose main job was to sign youth players.

It tells you something about his lack of experience that, at 47 years old, the only two relevant jobs on his CV are youth director at Spurs and a very brief managerial stint at Spurs. Doesn't mean he can't be a success, but those of us concerned about his lack of experience are proved right by the conversation that's actually taking place. If he does well, then terrific, what an appointment. I certainly think he can keep us up, and frankly that's all I care about at the moment.

He still gave Kane minutes and a few starts here and there.

Andre Vilas-Boas couldn't be bothered and would rather spend 28m on Soldado.

Honestly if there's one overrated manager in world football it's that bloke. I don't care how many cups he won in Portugal.

[Dave]

Andre Vilas-Boas couldn't be bothered and would rather spend 28m on Soldado.

Well not really. It's pretty well established that Franco Baldini signs the players at Spurs, including Soldado.