Quote from: Monty on March 15, 2015, 05:43:22 PMLots of dislikeable people are good managers - in fact, sometimes I wonder if that's one of the necessary aspects of a good manager.I dunno about that - Carlo Ancelotti always seems like a rather lovable teddy bear.
Lots of dislikeable people are good managers - in fact, sometimes I wonder if that's one of the necessary aspects of a good manager.
Gabby's problem isn't that he never looks brilliant, it is that he only looks it for a match here and there. I won't start throwing street parties for his work with Gabby till I see it over a longer period of time.Once again, it is five matches. Five matches. Why on earth go so ridiculously overboard about it based on that?
All managers come out with complete bollocks; Mourinho is fabulous at it. The difference is he has a lot to back it up so I agree too much from Sherwood can get rather old
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on March 15, 2015, 05:53:08 PMGabby's problem isn't that he never looks brilliant, it is that he only looks it for a match here and there. I won't start throwing street parties for his work with Gabby till I see it over a longer period of time.Once again, it is five matches. Five matches. Why on earth go so ridiculously overboard about it based on that?Nobody is going overboard. It's just a friendly discussion amongst mates.
Quote from: Toronto Villa on March 15, 2015, 05:49:04 PMAll managers come out with complete bollocks; Mourinho is fabulous at it. The difference is he has a lot to back it up so I agree too much from Sherwood can get rather oldI would argue that the main difference is with Mourinho is that it's calculated. If he says something, he knows why he has said it and what he hopes to achieve by saying it. With Sherwood it seems that he's saying the first thing that comes into his head, with little thought for the consequences. I'm not saying that it's a wholly bad thing or that by doing so it means that his Villa team win win fewer games. That whole "nice little club" thing about West Brom the other week is a good example. It didn't bother me at all that he said it, I don't think it was going to have any impact on the matches (unless you're Bill Howell) or buy into the whole "that's their team talk written for them" bluster, but it didn't strike me as thought he thought about what he was saying before he said it. But hey, it makes life more interesting.
Quote from: Toronto Villa on March 15, 2015, 05:55:14 PMQuote from: pauliewalnuts on March 15, 2015, 05:53:08 PMGabby's problem isn't that he never looks brilliant, it is that he only looks it for a match here and there. I won't start throwing street parties for his work with Gabby till I see it over a longer period of time.Once again, it is five matches. Five matches. Why on earth go so ridiculously overboard about it based on that?Nobody is going overboard. It's just a friendly discussion amongst mates.I'll be honest and say I think you are (and of course it is friendly, but you know i wasn't suggesting otherwise).Why do you have to engage in this slightly daft over-egging of the pudding all the time? There's no need to do it. There's no need to start talking the manager up so much after a handful of games.It just sounds a bit fanatical and over the top to me.Just as labelling Sherwood a failure would do after so few games, FWIW.
What's been fun is that he has really bigged us up, which going back even to MON at times, our managers didn't do a great job of. In fact, some of the stuff they came out with was essentially belittling of our history and place in the game.
No I'm not but feel free to read it that way. There are people who will agree with me giving Sherwood some credit for the turnaround even if it is five games, and those who won't and keep pointing to it only being five games. It doesn't matter what side of the fence you fall on.
Quote from: Toronto Villa on March 15, 2015, 06:03:13 PMWhat's been fun is that he has really bigged us up, which going back even to MON at times, our managers didn't do a great job of. In fact, some of the stuff they came out with was essentially belittling of our history and place in the game. That's an example.What about Lambert? He was a shit manager, but he was nothing but respectful of our place in the game. Even when he was losing matches for us as fast as they came and under pressure, he remained like that.Sherwood is saying what he thinks he should say. Which is great, and a million times better than Houllier telling you you're shitter than Liverpool, but it's hardly a new thing.Even MON did it.There. Praise for MON. And on that bombshell, I'm going for a lie down.
Quote from: Toronto Villa on March 15, 2015, 06:05:13 PMNo I'm not but feel free to read it that way. There are people who will agree with me giving Sherwood some credit for the turnaround even if it is five games, and those who won't and keep pointing to it only being five games. It doesn't matter what side of the fence you fall on.There's a difference between giving him some credit for what he has done so far and reading far too much into it, which is what I believe you're doing.
Quote from: Toronto Villa on March 15, 2015, 04:54:51 PMI think it was massively unfair Monty if you genuinely considered Sherwood's qualities as zero. If he came with no badges and straight from being a player I might agree with you but he didn't. And how in earth would he have kept us up with zero ability? You can't just bullshit your way through PL games. He is a qualified coach and did his job quite well as manager, albeit briefly. In fact given what he has done in a short time and very professionally I might add, he puts the like of a number of so called "experienced" or better established managers to shame.He'd had next to no games. You absolutely can bullshit your way through that number of games, especially with those sorts of players, and what's more his tactical record was ominously bad. He started similarly here, with a rigid 4-4-2 with wide open spaces and lumping to the big guy. He's since done what I didn't think he would do: changed it, and changed it to something interesting. We had more men in midfield, and that combined with his obviously actual quality (enthusiasm) to produce something like real football. Long may it continue - it just doesn't feel sustainable to me somehow.
I think it was massively unfair Monty if you genuinely considered Sherwood's qualities as zero. If he came with no badges and straight from being a player I might agree with you but he didn't. And how in earth would he have kept us up with zero ability? You can't just bullshit your way through PL games. He is a qualified coach and did his job quite well as manager, albeit briefly. In fact given what he has done in a short time and very professionally I might add, he puts the like of a number of so called "experienced" or better established managers to shame.