It's not Sherwood!

[Pat McMahon]

Motivation seems to be a bit of a buzz word on sports forums but it actually means nothing (please read on before you whine at me).  What people are actually referring to is confidence, which is a very different beast. All sports, at the highest levels, become based on 2 things: you're skill levels and your acceptance of them.  A confident team who all know what they're capable of and make the right decisions based on that will be successful (within it's goals) more often than not.

A mon style motivator can work, but the whole club becomes about that person and their ability to keep everyone believing in them.  Creating that confidence through good coaching and clear, effective tactics is much more sustainable.

Paul e I would say that there is a difference between confidence and motivation. As a starting point I believe motivation should come from inside, with a coach / manager just helping you focus and maintain it.

Re confidence, I remember Pete Davies talking to Steve McMahon about this in the excellent book All Played Out. When asked where confidence came from McMahon looked at Davies as if he were an idiot and just said "winning".

I think you can be motivated without necessarily being confident. I think it would be much harder to be confident without being motivated.

[Shrek]

It's great hearing all the experts on Sherwood, everyone seems to know everything about him and his coaching/managing style..

The only reference we have is a few honest/in-discrete post match interviews and the testaments of a few Spurs fans who mostly seem to neglect the huge impact he has had on their academy and bringing through the spine of their current team.

His results are impressive, albeit over a short period, but the point is, he improved the team, he made players play better than they were.
This is exactly what we need right now, it's all about the next 13 games at the moment.

So let's all get behind the manager and the team.

You're sounding like quite the expert on Sherwood yourself. How much better did he make Spurs? They finished in exactly the same position they were in when he was hired.

How am I sounding the expert, I'm basically saying we haven't got a clue if he is a flash in the pan or a decent long term manager, so let's give him a chance instead bloody moaning like mad, before he has started.

And regarding his results, AVB was sacked for a reason, I dont know the exact numbers, but Sherwood got 23 points from 30 in first 10 games, that must've been an improvment on AVB's last 10 games... Which in my book is improving a team not playing to their potential, which is just what we need.

[frankmosswasmyuncle]

Some of the out pourings of grief would make you think we'd just appointed Billy McNeil again.

I'm beginning to think we're the most miserable fans on the planet 😃

But with pretty good reason to be so, over the last 4 or 5 seasons, to be fair.
With a few wins and moving up the table the misery will turn to joy!


Honest!

[hilts_coolerking]

I'm basically saying we haven't got a clue if he is a flash in the pan or a decent long term manager

What I'm wondering is why the fuck are we appointing a manager without having a good idea which of those he is.  Let me ask you this: do you think he is the best possible manager we could have appointed?

[McGraths Dry Cleaning]

Supporting villa is like having a gorgeous girlfriend who you know has got all the attributes to fulfill all your needs, satisfy all your desires and fantasies and give you a pretty exciting life.

However, then you go home and find that she is still the same unadventurous woman that you were with last night, that the sex is mundane and boring and leaves you unfulfilled and lacking excitement. In the end something has to give and you fall out of love.



That sums up how I feel right now, very very underwhelmed

I didn't know Swiss Toni was a Villa fan.

I think you will find supporting Villa is not at all like making love to a beautiful woman. Its more like a perfunctory and occasional hand job from your missus to relieve weeks of built up tension 

[Brend'Watkins]

I'm basically saying we haven't got a clue if he is a flash in the pan or a decent long term manager

What I'm wondering is why the fuck are we appointing a manager without having a good idea which of those he is.  Let me ask you this: do you think he is the best possible manager we could have appointed?

We'll know for sure in about 3 months.

[Chris Smith]

I'm basically saying we haven't got a clue if he is a flash in the pan or a decent long term manager

What I'm wondering is why the fuck are we appointing a manager without having a good idea which of those he is.  Let me ask you this: do you think he is the best possible manager we could have appointed?

Ask again in two years.

To judge him before a ball has been kicked, a training session taken or a press conference given seems premature even by the standards of this site. Having an opinion is one thing, being totally convinced to the point of dismissing all others is another thing entirely.

[villan from luton]

I'm basically saying we haven't got a clue if he is a flash in the pan or a decent long term manager

What I'm wondering is why the fuck are we appointing a manager without having a good idea which of those he is.  Let me ask you this: do you think he is the best possible manager we could have appointed?

Wasnt my choice, but who would you suggest?

[silhillvilla]

I guess all we need short term is the new manager "bounce" for 13 games . (Note with lambert we didn't get any bounce ).
If we go down I assume he's been told he will be kept on regardless for an assault on the championship summit .
I'm hoping the issue with the players was just down to lambert. He should never have survived so long particularly after all the bullying sackings . He had to go then surely as the players had all lost any respect for him then.

[ozzjim]

It's great hearing all the experts on Sherwood, everyone seems to know everything about him and his coaching/managing style..

The only reference we have is a few honest/in-discrete post match interviews and the testaments of a few Spurs fans who mostly seem to neglect the huge impact he has had on their academy and bringing through the spine of their current team.

His results are impressive, albeit over a short period, but the point is, he improved the team, he made players play better than they were.
This is exactly what we need right now, it's all about the next 13 games at the moment.

So let's all get behind the manager and the team.

You're sounding like quite the expert on Sherwood yourself. How much better did he make Spurs? They finished in exactly the same position they were in when he was hired.

How am I sounding the expert, I'm basically saying we haven't got a clue if he is a flash in the pan or a decent long term manager, so let's give him a chance instead bloody moaning like mad, before he has started.

And regarding his results, AVB was sacked for a reason, I dont know the exact numbers, but Sherwood got 23 points from 30 in first 10 games, that must've been an improvment on AVB's last 10 games... Which in my book is improving a team not playing to their potential, which is just what we need.

They were a place above where he started weren't they?

They were 7th, had scored 15 in 16 and conceded 21. Won 1 in their last 5 at home and come off the back of a 5-0 home defeat to Spurs. They had 27 points from 16 games.

In the next 22 under Sherwood they finished on 69 points, so got 42 from 22. They also scored 40 times in those 22 games, conceding 30.

It seems the tactically inept Sherwood got significantly more out of them, than the much lauded and highly thought of tactical genius, modern progressive manager that is AVB.

[silhillvilla]

Gutted to be missing the next 2 games now .

[hilts_coolerking]

Having an opinion is one thing, being totally convinced to the point of dismissing all others is another thing entirely.

And who is doing that exactly?

[mr-villa]

I think given where we are in the league and the number of games, we couldn't really afford to be choosy.  Sherwood is probably as good as what was available.

I hear this every time we appointed a new manager since O'Neill left but I don't believe it's true.  Not once in that time have I believed we've appointed the best out of what's available.

I didn't think much of Sherwood when he was in charge of Spurs and I didn't think much of him when he was linked with us.  Even less so actually because he could then be compared to a lot of other potential managers.  I'm not going to change my view now simply because he's been given the job.

Of course I want desperately for him to prove me wrong and I'll support the team regardless of how I feel about the manager.  But as much as I hope it will go well I don't think it will and I've said that after we appointed Houllier, McLeish and, to a certain extent, Lambert.  We can't keep appointing these has beens, never wases and novices and expect things to work out.

It must be great being so right all the time bet you can't wait for it to go all tits up for him. Christ on a bike the overwhelming negativity of the majority of posters on this thread is thoroughly depressing. 

[paul_e]

Motivation seems to be a bit of a buzz word on sports forums but it actually means nothing (please read on before you whine at me).  What people are actually referring to is confidence, which is a very different beast. All sports, at the highest levels, become based on 2 things: you're skill levels and your acceptance of them.  A confident team who all know what they're capable of and make the right decisions based on that will be successful (within it's goals) more often than not.

A mon style motivator can work, but the whole club becomes about that person and their ability to keep everyone believing in them.  Creating that confidence through good coaching and clear, effective tactics is much more sustainable.

Paul e I would say that there is a difference between confidence and motivation. As a starting point I believe motivation should come from inside, with a coach / manager just helping you focus and maintain it.

Re confidence, I remember Pete Davies talking to Steve McMahon about this in the excellent book All Played Out. When asked where confidence came from McMahon looked at Davies as if he were an idiot and just said "winning".

I think you can be motivated without necessarily being confident. I think it would be much harder to be confident without being motivated.

I agree, that's largely the point I was making.

[avfcpg]

Anyone know who Spurs played in thier last game under Sherwood ?
The opposition scored nil...that should give you a good clue...:-)