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Offline Villa Lew

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2016
« Reply #4515 on: April 04, 2016, 04:31:34 PM »
Yes Stokes last over was a shocker, but let's give credit to Brathwaite, considering the pressure he was also under, that has gotta be one of the greatest last over batting displays seen in one day international cricket.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2016
« Reply #4516 on: April 05, 2016, 06:51:09 AM »
Braithwaite had no choice but to do what he did. He got lucky with the first one and kept going. No one expected him to win it. The over was Stokes. The team had worked hard to set it up for him and he messed up. There is no need for any excuses. He lobbed 4 peaches.....

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2016
« Reply #4517 on: April 05, 2016, 09:36:38 AM »
Simon Hughes aka The Analyst claims that Stokes isn't temperamentally suited to bowling at the death in pressure-cooker situations. Samuels always gets under his skin:

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Stokes lost head in battle with Samuels

England all-rounder is a special talent but his personality is not suited to bowling the last over

Simon Hughes | The Analyst
April 5 2016, 1:01am,
The Times


At the climax of an adrenaline-fuelled event such as Sunday’s World Twenty20 final, it may be hard to envisage the role that psychology plays. Surely it is just a matter of the bowler putting the ball in the right place and/or the batsman hitting and hoping? In fact, the state of mind and general demeanour of the two combatants has a massive influence on the outcome. The inflammatory post-match comments of the victor Marlon Samuels about the vanquished Ben Stokes suggests that perhaps he was not the ideal person to bowl the final over, courageously willing though he was to do so.

Bowling at such critical moments is a precise art. Not only does it require special skill, but also an unusual mix of optimism and fatalism. You must have the self-belief that you can direct the ball exactly where you want to, but also the realisation that it could go horribly wrong. As I wrote in The Times preview to the final, when bowling at the death “there is a tiny margin between getting it right and disappearing for 15 an over”. Having bowled the last over in three Lord’s cup finals (won two, lost one), I know this from bitter experience.

Samuels is a hugely provocative character: self-satisfied, outspoken, controversial
Despite the immensity of the situation and your jangling nerves, you must try to exude a Zen-like calm. Any tension in the hands and fingers will ever so slightly inhibit the release of the ball — the difference between bowling a perfect yorker and a hittable halfvolley. Naked aggression or overexcitement can have the same result. The heart-rate needs to be controlled and the breathing slow. It’s best to take your time between balls.

The best bowlers in these situations marry high levels of skill with a phlegmatic imperviousness. Watch a last over from Lasith Malinga or Dwayne Bravo, or from England’s best “finisher” Darren Gough. They look focused but relaxed. They run in with energy and determination, but they smile and shrug when things don’t go quite as planned. The responsibility sits lightly on their shoulders. What will be will be, their body language seems to say. It can be quite off-putting for the batsman.

Stokes, for all his brilliant all-round ability, is not a composed character. He is passionate, confrontational. That is what makes him an exhilarating Test-match cricketer, bringing to life a dormant period of play and seizing the moment. But that vivid, emotional streak has been counterproductive in the high-octane environment of the one-day game, where he is yet to deliver the match-winning performance for England that his talent promises.


He is so uptight. Watch him bat in a one-day game. He stands at the crease bristling with intent and tries to obliterate the ball with every stroke. And that’s just in the nets before play. Trevor Bayliss has tried to steer him down a calmer path, pre-match, but it hasn’t worked so far. And in Sunday’s final he allowed himself to get embroiled in verbal warfare with Samuels, even before the West Indian’s innings had got going.

Samuels is a hugely provocative character: self-satisfied, outspoken, controversial. He deliberately gets under opponents’ skin and takes great pleasure in doing so. He feeds off confrontation. It fuels his determination. There have been many with similar traits. The Australian, Steve Waugh, was one. He thrived on opponents’ animosity. If someone didn’t sledge him when he first came to the wicket, he’d have a go at the bowler or a close fielder to stir things up, to create a frosty atmosphere. That got his juices flowing and enhanced his fighting qualities.

The best way to deal with such a personality is to ignore him, pretend he’s not there. Waugh hated that, and Samuels would too. They see themselves as “special” and “different”. They don’t want to be treated like everybody else. It makes them feel inconsequential. But with so much previous hostility between him and Samuels, Stokes couldn’t help himself.

Samuels feeds off confrontation and it fuels his determination
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The verbal spats began, rousing Samuels and riling Stokes. They continued periodically, Samuels fanning the flames. By the time Stokes came to bowl the 20th over, he looked like he was about to combust, although he was doing his best to contain it.

To make matters worse he had not bowled since the 13th over. Usually when you bowl at the death, you need a couple of balls to settle your nerves and get your bearings. He had been entrusted with the 18th over in earlier matches and had got a couple of loose deliveries out of the way before the denouement. But on Sunday, because David Willey had taken two slightly fortuitous wickets in the 16th over, he was entrusted with the 18th. Stokes was denied the relative comfort of a few balls to find his rhythm before the critical moment.

His first ball of that final over lacked conviction. It drifted down the leg side into Carlos Brathwaite’s huge arc and was swung away for an easy six. If that was bad, the sight of Samuels, 85 not out and smirking at the non-striker’s end, was worse. The contest was lost at that point. The momentum had swung irreparably, although the brutality of Brathwaite’s striking was breathtaking.

After the game, Eoin Morgan rightly blamed England’s poor batting. It was not Stokes’s fault. But you cannot discount the mind games that left one man a hero and the other heartbroken.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2016
« Reply #4518 on: April 05, 2016, 11:41:52 AM »
I'd agree with at, I'd have got him to bowl 15th and then had willey and jordan bowl the last 4.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2016
« Reply #4519 on: April 12, 2016, 12:12:59 PM »
Shocked to see that Notts and England batsman James Taylor is forced to retire at only 26 with a serious heart condition. Really sad to see. He looked a decent prospect.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2016
« Reply #4520 on: April 12, 2016, 02:32:43 PM »
Terrible news and good luck on his health in the future. I thought he was a really promising player who had a great character. Hope he's able to stay involved in the game in some capacity.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2016
« Reply #4521 on: April 13, 2016, 12:35:36 PM »
Taylor's untimely retirement potentially opens the door for Ian Bell to return. Bell scored 174 against a decent Hampshire attack, albeit one minus Reece Topley.

I'm an admirer of Bell and he will undoubtedly score heavily against county attacks but I really think we should take the longer term view and give Ballance another go.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2016
« Reply #4522 on: April 13, 2016, 12:55:47 PM »
I think it'll probably be Ballance that'll come in.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2016
« Reply #4523 on: April 14, 2016, 07:29:32 AM »
It'll probably be Ballance but I'd leave him for now. Maybe Buttler or Vince to get a look in? That Kent opener is highly rated so maybe they'll go with him at the top.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2016
« Reply #4524 on: April 14, 2016, 08:58:15 AM »
It is a real shame about James Taylor he was a good player to watch.

On a happier note, congratulations to Kane Williamson on being the Wisden player of 2015. I've seen him play quite a few times over past couple of years and he is a magnificent batsman. Him and Joe Root are the best and most outstanding batsmen in the world and given their ages will both get better.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2016
« Reply #4525 on: April 14, 2016, 02:17:08 PM »

On a happier note, congratulations to Kane Williamson on being the Wisden player of 2015. I've seen him play quite a few times over past couple of years and he is a magnificent batsman. Him and Joe Root are the best and most outstanding batsmen in the world and given their ages will both get better.

Shame won't get to see them playing together for Yorkshire this season.

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2016
« Reply #4526 on: May 12, 2016, 07:16:23 AM »
James Vince and Jake Ball are in the squad for the first test:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/36272668


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Re: The Cricket Thread 2016
« Reply #4527 on: May 12, 2016, 09:45:53 AM »
Interesting squad. I like Vince, so pleased to see him get an opportunity. I haven't seen much of Ball, but looks like he's the sort of bowler who will suit English conditions. Anyone else seen more of him?

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2016
« Reply #4528 on: May 16, 2016, 02:43:53 AM »
I would argue that Stokes is exactly the type of player to bowl at the death https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/may/14/ben-stokes-cricket-world-cup-test-series-simon-hattenstone

"Look, Stokes says, progress is never going to be linear. “There’s this one picture I always think of.” He looks at the pen and pad in front of me. “Pass us the pen and paper. People want success to look like this.” He draws a straight line. “But it’s always going to be like this, up and down, up and up and down, and hopefully you end up at the top.” He draws a diagram that works its way upwards via a series of squiggly dips and bumps.

Does he still dream about that final World Cup over? “No. I do dream, but about jumping 300 foot in the air, then landing back and jumping again.”

Does he feel that he blew it? He turns his cap around back to front. “The first ball was crap. I just didn’t execute it like I wanted to. The second and third ball, I was just trying to bowl yorkers [straight and low-down on the stumps, to restrict the batsman’s chances of hitting the ball]. I didn’t blow it…” He stops and starts again. “Well, obviously I did blow it! People say, why didn’t you bowl yorkers? And I’m like, ‘Well, I was fucking trying to bowl fucking yorkers, you dickheads, I just didn’t execute it!’”

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Re: The Cricket Thread 2016
« Reply #4529 on: May 16, 2016, 12:15:22 PM »
Might as well post it here as well as it's a great interview.

Jonny Bairstow

 


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