Aston Villa v Manchester United Post-Match Thread

[dave shelley]

I'd love for the officials to actually utilise the players in order to make their decisions.

Had the ref asked Ashley Young, "Do you think Gabby should be sent off for that tackle?" in this case I genuinely believe that he'd have said no.

However had Ashley Young said yes, the refs response should be "Ok, Fine. However IF when I watch the replay back and I see that you've cheated me here, you will get double the ban Gabby does. Still happy with the sending off?"

The same should go for penalty claims, dives etc etc

This sort of approach I believe, would help the game improve.

The rules are clear, known and accepted by the players but the system at the moment rests all the responsibility on the officials to catch the players out at breaking the rules. If there was more retrospective punsihment used players would begin to think about their conduct a bit more during those 90 minutes.

The first thing I can think of in response to this post is:  if any or all of these suggestions were to be implemented then, we'd have a game that would last about five hours.

[papa lazarou]

I just despise it when players run after the ref, pointing to an opposition player and pleading to have him sent off. Our players have been guilty of this also on occasions.
What does the "offender" think in these situations? After all they all know each other pretty well. Is it a case of "well they are only doing their job and I would do the same if the tables were turned?"
It's crept into the game like holding at corners and nobody has stopped it.
Where's that I Remember When This Was All Fields thread?

[Ron Manager]

I wonder what Weimann was saying to the ref as Mr Mason approached the incident from afar. Surely he wasn't suggesting that Ash Young should be booked/sent off for the foul he had just committed...was he?

[hipkiss92]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/premier-league/11307931/Is-celebrating-an-away-goal-among-home-fans-ever-acceptable.html

Interesting this, you'd argue two young kids probably shouldn't expect trouble, but is stupid to go in the home end, even if it is in the family stand.

[dave.woodhall]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/premier-league/11307931/Is-celebrating-an-away-goal-among-home-fans-ever-acceptable.html

Interesting this, you'd argue two young kids probably shouldn't expect trouble, but is stupid to go in the home end, even if it is in the family stand.

There's a really good comment in there -" we live in a terrified country. We are meant to be in constant fear of terrorists, hooligans, offending someone, crowds and on and on and on."

[Smoke]

I'd love for the officials to actually utilise the players in order to make their decisions.

Had the ref asked Ashley Young, "Do you think Gabby should be sent off for that tackle?" in this case I genuinely believe that he'd have said no.

However had Ashley Young said yes, the refs response should be "Ok, Fine. However IF when I watch the replay back and I see that you've cheated me here, you will get double the ban Gabby does. Still happy with the sending off?"

The same should go for penalty claims, dives etc etc

This sort of approach I believe, would help the game improve.

The rules are clear, known and accepted by the players but the system at the moment rests all the responsibility on the officials to catch the players out at breaking the rules. If there was more retrospective punsihment used players would begin to think about their conduct a bit more during those 90 minutes.

The first thing I can think of in response to this post is:  if any or all of these suggestions were to be implemented then, we'd have a game that would last about five hours.

I can think of 2 "incidents" where the system I mentioned would have been used on Saturday, First for the Gabby sending off and Second time for the Blackett Challenge on Lowton.

And using the method I mentioned probably both 'fouls' would have resulted in no cards, all of the players just manning up and getting on with it. Its Football.

Hardly would have caused the game to last 5 hours, Those 2 incidents in the current situation probably took about 4/5 minutes out of the game anyway.

All I'm saying is at the moment the ref is seen as the enemy to both teams, he's there for them to try and get the better of, trick and manipulate as much as they can. This is totally wrong.

The Ref should be there to help the rules of the game be applied consistently and equally to both sides.

[glasses]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/premier-league/11307931/Is-celebrating-an-away-goal-among-home-fans-ever-acceptable.html

Interesting this, you'd argue two young kids probably shouldn't expect trouble, but is stupid to go in the home end, even if it is in the family stand.

I'm hoping my now nearly three year old lad might start getting interested in football in the coming years. If he was seven years old, and I had decided to go to Old Trafford to watch Villa v Man U, and Villa scored, and he cheered, I'd expect to be chucked out. Mainly, for irresponsibly taking my child to the 'wrong end'. I just wouldn't do it.

[PeterWithesShin]

They don't sound inbetween the two.

"I bought tickets in the Family Stand for a Christmas treat for the boys. Their mum is a Villa fan, I'm a United fan and they're inbetween the two.
"We didn't celebrate the Villa goal but when Falcao equalised the two boys jumped up in the air, super excited that Falcao had scored. I gave them a big hug.

[dave.woodhall]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/premier-league/11307931/Is-celebrating-an-away-goal-among-home-fans-ever-acceptable.html

Interesting this, you'd argue two young kids probably shouldn't expect trouble, but is stupid to go in the home end, even if it is in the family stand.

I'm hoping my now nearly three year old lad might start getting interested in football in the coming years. If he was seven years old, and I had decided to go to Old Trafford to watch Villa v Man U, and Villa scored, and he cheered, I'd expect to be chucked out. Mainly, for irresponsibly taking my child to the 'wrong end'. I just wouldn't do it.

Why not?

[glasses]

Because I'd taken my child to a football match and bought tickets in an area marked 'home fans only'

[dave.woodhall]

How terrible. How indescribably evil you must be.

[glasses]

I am. I'm a really horrible shit like that

[andrew08]

I'm all for chucking Brummie Man U fans out. Glad it's made the press as well, sends the message that they're not welcome.

They're all the grandsons/sons of Blues fans anyway.

[JUAN PABLO]

Missed the game

Great point considering ten men and the money those tossers have spent.

Stunning goal by the big man.

[Dave Cooper please]

How come football still seems to be the only sport where fans can't sit next to each other without wanting to fight each other?