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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Ger Regan on December 20, 2014, 04:53:41 PM
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Good performance, that
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Better. Could have had all three. Young is still a cock.
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Good work.
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Once we have Hutton back, we have a core of 5 or 6 decent players who should now see us comfortably mid table
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Not sure about a good performance, Ger but a decent result and credit to the lads who really stepped up a gear and put in an extra shift after Gabby was sent off.
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Got to be pleased with a draw after that sending off. Still wish Lambert was a bit more positive and its yet another season without beating United at home but at least we didn't lose. One defeat in seven although still only two wins from the last thirteen.
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Given the circumstances that is a very good point indeed
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I think they did well. Lambert hasn't done enough yet to say he's turned it around by a long stretch, but he's done well today.
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Got to be pleased with a draw after that sending off. Still wish Lambert was a bit more positive and its yet another season without beating United at home but at least we didn't lose. One defeat in seven although still only two wins from the last thirteen.
Yep, we need to find a way of creating more chances, which is why we've been so woeful at times this season.
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Why didn't Lambert play Bacuna instead of Lowton? But a well earned point by the lads they played very well when down to ten men
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We retreated after half time which was a shame but we looked reasonable at times, gave them way too much respect and space, Lowton looked the weak link and showed why he's not getting a place. Overall reasonably happy with that, players coming back will only add strength to the side.
Ashley Young really is a COTHO.
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Apart from the first 10-15 minutes of each half we looked pretty good and almost all of our lot played well. Benteke continues to create and score his own chances and we just have to get the ball to him as often as we can. Gabby's sending off wasn't a red in a million years and not even a yellow 99% of the time but the ref had a shocker. Oddly though we played a lot better after he went off and came a lot closer to winning it than Man U did. Given the circumstances, a very good performance and a good result. Well done.
Man U look very ordinary, by their standards. Rooney was their one outstanding player.
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Congratulations to anyone who had 'innocuous 50-50 challenge' in this week's How Will The Ref Find A Bemusing Way To Reduce Villa To Ten Men Raffle.
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Sounds like a good result and we played well at times. Good stuff.
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A creditable draw. Don't really feel pissed off about it, which shows how low expectations against these lot are. Ref did his best to get them the points, but they were a poor imitation of United sides of the past. Strange, really, considering they had Michael Carrick playing.
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what a pity....a win there would have set us up nicely for Christmas
need to see that red card for Gabby and the yellow for Blackett to check if there was a difference...can't argue about Brad's though ..he probably told Mason what he thought of him
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Despite the refs best efforts I thought we did well today. Credit to the boys for coming away with a point.
The back three were very good today. A moment of real class from Benteke as well. Delph provided plenty of energy, even if his passing and set pieces were erratic. Sanchez is really looking the part now. Guzan was dominant today.
Can't really complain about a point against these feckers. It beats the usual roll over and die routine.
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A point more than many, myself included, expected. Well done lads.
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Congratulations to anyone who had 'innocuous 50-50 challenge' in this week's How Will The Ref Find A Bemusing Way To Reduce Villa To Ten Men Raffle.
The Guardian's take on it:
Blimey - looking at the replays of that Agbonlahor decision, and that was an absolutely rancid decision. It might have been a yellow, but only just. Lee Mason, may you be spanked with a wet slipper.
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That was a lot better than our usual showing against them. We even looked threatening from corners and crosses!
Red card will be rescinded: you give red for that, every game will end up five-a-side.
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Sounds like Benteke wasn't happy that he wasn't the target for the final cross. Still whenever we don't lose to them I'm happy.
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Congratulations to anyone who had 'innocuous 50-50 challenge' in this week's How Will The Ref Find A Bemusing Way To Reduce Villa To Ten Men Raffle.
Great LOL
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Dogged display and a well deserved point. Well done Ashley, nice to see you cheat your best mate.
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Congratulations to anyone who had 'innocuous 50-50 challenge' in this week's How Will The Ref Find A Bemusing Way To Reduce Villa To Ten Men Raffle.
The Guardian's take on it:
Blimey - looking at the replays of that Agbonlahor decision, and that was an absolutely rancid decision. It might have been a yellow, but only just. Lee Mason, may you be spanked with a wet slipper.
Just watchign John Hartson opine that it was a definite red. What bollocks.
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I said in the match thread that our players make some baffling decisions at time. A shame because so many could lead to goal scoring opportunities. I'm not even sure what the solution is.
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Excellent performance. I thought we played very well without Gabby and maybe even should of won it.
Never a red card but That line-up at the end plus one extra player is how we should start against Swansea.
Did we miss Cleverley today, going off that performance you'd have to say nope.
Hahaha Rooney saying it's 2 points dropped, you almost lost it at the end there Wayne.
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These ****** get a daft decision against us? Orly?
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Just watchign John Hartson opine that it was a definite red. What bollocks.
He may be a nice bloke, but he's an awful pundit. He also pronounces it 'pelanty.'
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Excellent performance. I thought we played very well without Gabby and maybe even should of won it.
Never a red card but That line-up at the end plus one extra player is how we should start against Swansea.
Did we miss Cleverley today, going off that performance you'd have to say nope.
Hahaha Rooney saying it's 2 points dropped, you almost lost it at the end there Wayne.
Ah poor old Wayne, did we not step aside for you today?
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A point more than many, myself included, expected. Well done lads.
This.
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I can't understand why Lambert doesn't play three at the back more often. I think there's an argument that his purchases all point towards that kind of formation. Maybe he's never had the courage of his convictions. Maybe his coaches have talked him out of it. Maybe the players he needed were never all fit at the same time.
Clark and Okore deserve special mention. More of the same please.
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Happy with a point. I can confirm that following the game by text message from MrSox as I was out is no less stressful that any other way of following us.
Sox reckoned it was an awful decision for the red, should it have been a red?
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Happy with a point. I can confirm that following the game by text message from MrSox as I was out is no less stressful that any other way of following us.
Sox reckoned it was an awful decision for the red, should it have been a red?
Ludicrous red card. Its not even a foul for me
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I can't understand why Lambert doesn't play three at the back more often. I think there's an argument that his purchases all point towards that kind of formation. Maybe he's never had the courage of his convictions. Maybe his coaches have talked him out of it. Maybe the players he needed were never all fit at the same time.
Clark and Okore deserve special mention. More of the same please.
Agreed re three at the back. It would suit Bacuna who was very good when he came in - bizarre that he hasn't played more.
I really hope that the red card is rescinded - as Koncheskys was, rightly - because it is a shocking decision: a 50:50 ball that may have been a foul, but I'm not convinced an infringement occurred. Lee Mason should hang his head over that decision.
I was really impressed with the determination we showed, and Delph certainly makes a difference, with opponents very wary of his turn of pace and tricky ball control.
I was disappointed that once again we seemed to come out for the second half intent on defending what we had.
Encouraging, even if we could and perhaps should have won.
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it was clearly a red card, man U were not winning. So a anything is allowable in these circumstances.
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I'm wondering if the ref only played an additional 3 minutes despite stopages being far longer, as he was concerned we looked the more likely to score the winner.
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Well done for staying strong after the red. I love Bentekes heart. Quite rightly having a massive pop at useless Bacuna at the end.
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Hopefully Gabby's red card won't get rescinded. I think we'll play much better in the next 3 games without him as displayed in the 25 minutes he wasn't on for.
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Well done for staying strong after the red. I love Bentekes heart. Quite rightly having a massive pop at useless Bacuna at the end.
Useless?
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We actually made changes that paid off.
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Yep
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And I utterly detest Ashley Young. I would hate it if he ever came back to us.
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I can't understand why Lambert doesn't play three at the back more often. I think there's an argument that his purchases all point towards that kind of formation. Maybe he's never had the courage of his convictions. Maybe his coaches have talked him out of it. Maybe the players he needed were never all fit at the same time.
Clark and Okore deserve special mention. More of the same please.
To be fair, it hasn't been too often that we've had 3 centre-backs fit at the same time!
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Yep
That is very harsh.
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And I utterly detest Ashley Young. I would hate it if he ever came back to us.
I loved him when he was with us and for a good period of time would have yes to getting him back. Unfortunately I'm coming to the same conclusion as he just become such a complete and utter wanker. A detestable individual on the pitch.
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The problem with 3 centre-halves is that we don't have 2 full-backs good enough for the wing-back role although Cissokho at times wants to get forward and can get the odd decent cross in.
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Did bacuna miss a simple pass at the end? I just saw Benteke having a pop?
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Cissokho is no Chrissy Price that's for sure
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Think we more than matched them today. Manager deserves credit for his tactics and the players put in another brilliant shift and did really well to hold on following the sending off. Think there were far more postives than negatives, with the likes of Delph and Vlaar really making an impact on their full returns. Guess it was a no brainer playing Vlaar against his former International boss.
Have always liked Bucana and giving his impact upon coming on and the lack of better options out wide it would be worth giving him a few games even if only at full back. Good point, but of course could have been more if Benteke had of scored after the break. We are looking far more steady at the moment though.
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Did bacuna miss a simple pass at the end? I just saw Benteke having a pop?
Benteke was unmarked at the back post. It's a shame as us beating them with an injury time winner would have been a nice change.
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It wasn't simple, certainly any ball meant to get Benteke involved, the ball to N'Zogbia was the better option to try.
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Evening all. Heard the match on Radio 5. Seems we deserved a most creditable point. According to the awful Jason Roberts (nearly as laughable as Savage) Young skinned Lowton throughout the match..is that true? He also agreed with Agbonlahor's sending off but when he had seen the replay changed his mind completely.
Anyway an excellent point and to quote our manager...we go again!
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Lee Mason, the ref from Greater Manchester!
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bugger me that's right
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Did bacuna miss a simple pass at the end? I just saw Benteke having a pop?
Benteke was unmarked at the back post. It's a shame as us beating them with an injury time winner would have been a nice change.
There was around 4 or 5 united players between him and bacuna though, it would have to have been an absolutely brilliant ball to have picked him out.
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Evening all. Heard the match on Radio 5. Seems we deserved a most creditable point. According to the awful Jason Roberts (nearly as laughable as Savage) Young skinned Lowton throughout the match..is that true? He also agreed with Agbonlahor's sending off but when he had seen the replay changed his mind completely.
Anyway an excellent point and to quote our manager...we go again!
Well like you listened on the radio so will await MOTD tonight. A lot of people have said that on first viewing you can see why the ref might have given it, but then at the same time seem to be saying it was a 50-50 at best. I really feared for us after that, but the team did show great fight and even created the better chances on the counter so it was good for us.
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It was a solid tackle by Gabby, one which he actually started to withdraw from the tackle at the point of contact. He simply went in more committed than Young. Young went in soft and scared. At full speed it looked a heavy tackle - but on the replays it shows the ref was too hasty pulling out the red card.
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We didn't give up today and we tried to play some good football along the way. De Gea pulled off a world class save to stop it being 2-0 and then we get a shit red card for a good chunk of the game against a side that cost 5 or 6 times ours. It is a very positive step forward today.
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Oh wow, a point? Didnt expect that. Well done!
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http://youtu.be/g2amCQWoe00
No way is that a red card.
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Just read something funny. Ashley Young thought he fouled Gabby when Gabby was sent off!
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Actually not funny at all thinking about it. Just shit refereeing. Again
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I assume the red can be appealed?
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I assume the red can be appealed?
Afraid not. The *Except Against Manchester United Statute of 1992 applies.
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I assume the red can be appealed?
Afraid not. The *Except Against Manchester United Statute of 1992 applies.
Arese, I forgot about the statute.
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Only one player went in studs showing and it wasn't Gabby.
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I enjoyed that - 2 games in a row at VP!
Wise move by the 5 Mancs in front of us to f-off at half-time as well one having already "taken a tumble" when Benteke scored...
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Well at least we had the satisfaction of not seeing the wankers once again walk away from VP with smug faces however they did help to fill up VP today and that was nice.
For the match the only time we lost control was those 5 or so minutes after De Gea save from Benteke and Falcoa scoring. We kept giving the ball away and it was going to end up in the net. United did not create a single chance in the first half and barely deserve what they got in the end. Benteke is a f in genius. I can not think of many forward in the world game who would have scored the way he did.
On sending off I fully expected the ref to book Young as soon as he recovered from near death injury he was was feigning so I was absolutely shocked when he picked Gabby with a red. What an arsehole.
This is actually a good team we have now. The centre backs are good. Sanchez is maturing into a very solid dependable player, Delph gives us lot of options and I think we now need to get brave and add Bacuna to the attacking midfield with Weimann next to the Beast up front. This team should be wiping the floor with anyone below midtable at VP if the manager cares to give it wings!
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http://youtu.be/g2amCQWoe00
No way is that a red card.
I'm clearly wrong but that does look as if Gabby was late and a tad reckless. As for the ref, Dermot Gallagher reffed us on many occasions and he's a Villa fan.
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Young didn't send off the player, the ref did. People seem to have forgot he went down easy for us lots of times and won us many free kicks. When he does it for them he's every name under the sun. Why people expect him to be 'some what' kind to us when he's against us is laughable.
He told Guzan after the game he thought he fouled Gabby, comical refereeing at it's finest.
If it does get rescinded (which is likely going off Kompany's red), he may be awarded a yellow, thus banning him from Swansea anyway with 5 yellows.
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Never a red card but it shows how poor Gabby is that we didn't miss him.
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Well done for staying strong after the red. I love Bentekes heart. Quite rightly having a massive pop at useless Bacuna at the end.
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Season after season we are on the receiving end of terrible decisions against that lot. At least we managed to hold on to a point instead of rolling over in injury time (as usual). Class finish by the beast as well.
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Hopefully Gabby's red card won't get rescinded. I think we'll play much better in the next 3 games without him as displayed in the 25 minutes he wasn't on for.
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Never a red (https://vine.co/v/OXAtnr17p1h)
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Even the plastic twats on Red Cafe couldn't believe it was a red.
Now they're whining about LVG getting it all wrong, how their players took it for granted they'd win against ten men so didn't need to try and now how all their players are crap. They finally seem to be getting a team they deserve. Cocks.
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Link to goal on our FB Page (https://www.facebook.com/handv)
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http://youtu.be/g2amCQWoe00
No way is that a red card.
I'm clearly wrong but that does look as if Gabby was late and a tad reckless. As for the ref, Dermot Gallagher reffed us on many occasions and he's a Villa fan.
You mean a late bad tackle where Young slides in out of control?
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Just back from the match. Lots of positives to take from this game. Okore and Sanchez were very good , Delph looked top 4 quality today. Rooney sprayed it about well and I thought we would have closed him down more but ultimately Guzan didn't have masses to do.
Bacuna so close to winning it at the end.
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According to Collymore, Young told Guzan that he committed the foul challenge on Gabby.
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Never a red (https://vine.co/v/OXAtnr17p1h)
Actually yes. Watching it again, Young catches \gabby first.
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I really hope that the red card is rescinded - as Koncheskys was, rightly - because it is a shocking decision: a 50:50 ball that may have been a foul, but I'm not convinced an infringement occurred. Lee Mason should hang his head over that decision.
I was disappointed that once again we seemed to come out for the second half intent on defending what we had.
Encouraging, even if we could and perhaps should have won.
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It wasn't even a foul by Gabby, let alone a booking, and no way on gods earth was it a sending off!
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According to Collymore, Young told Guzan that he committed the foul challenge on Gabby.
Surely Guzan couldn't have committed the foul; far too far out of the goal ... :-)
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Oh and we looked much better without Tom Cleverly .
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No way was that a red.
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Never a red (https://vine.co/v/OXAtnr17p1h)
Actually yes. Watching it again, Young catches \gabby first.
Sorry; no way it was a card of any colour. Two players going in for a 50-50 ball: one (AY) has his foot up, the other (GA) has his foot down and he is totally focussed on the ball.
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Just read something funny. Ashley Young thought he fouled Gabby when Gabby was sent off!
Well admire him for his honesty and he is right. Looking at from North Stand watching both players and ball and distance I was convinced Young could get a red as soon as he stops pretending injury which players do so often to avoid getting booked when they know they are in the wrong. At the time of impact he was out of control.
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Good result and performance. Really enjoyed the last two home games and it's great to see us passingit more
Lambert got the tactics and the substitutions right. Let's give him some credit. He's got lots of faults but the claim so many make that he's incompetent tactically is bollocks
Benteke was great as were the back three and I thought sanchez and Delph did well
GUZAN was really good again after a dodgy spell
Lowton still can't defend
Really enjoyed it tho
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Looking at this http://gfycat.com/PalatableCompassionateErmine (http://gfycat.com/PalatableCompassionateErmine) it appears Young tries to take Gabby out, the only saving grace for him is he actually manages to touch the ball. Both players could have seriously been hurt, maybe if Gabby had roled around like a tart the referee would have taken no action. To me it's a clumsy 50-50 challenge. Nothing more.
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http://youtu.be/g2amCQWoe00
No way is that a red card.
Jesus wept.
Professionalism has done wonders for English refereeing.
If you happen to support one of the Sky clubs.
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Hopefully Gabby's red card won't get rescinded. I think we'll play much better in the next 3 games without him as displayed in the 25 minutes he wasn't on for.
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WTF???!
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Can't believe some of the negative comments on here,we could have won that if Bacuna's shot goes in at the end,we had the courage to keep trying the passing and there was a 3 minute spell in the first half where we passed it around great.it's over to Lerner now, invest in 1 creative player costing more than 5 million and keep Delph and Vlaar and go for it . The squad is looking a lot better :0)
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Lambert got the tactics and the substitutions right. Let's give him some credit. He's got lots of faults but the claim so many make that he's incompetent tactically is bollocks
Exactly what were his tactics. Counter attacking? The only real credit Lambert deserves is he had every single player up for today and they collectively put a massive shift in. Finally against Man Utd our players looked like men instead of boys but I hardly think he deserves any medals for the team trying to pass the ball.
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Great point. lambert new way is better. but a small point on the formation. dont think 5-2-3 is the same as 5-3-2. u need to keep possession when u play 3 centre backs, so u need 3 proper midfielders. weimann was the odd one out today and it showed. cleverley being suspended would have hindered the plans but bacuna would have been better than weimann in retaining possession. i think next week if we play 5-3-2 we will see the midfield trio of delph-sanchez-cleverley. benteke and gabby/weimann to play upfront.
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No one's calling for medals, just a bit of credit when he gets things right.
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No one's calling for medals, just a bit of credit when he gets things right.
I've given him credit, Lee, I just didn't see what his tactics were. Did you?
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Never a red (https://vine.co/v/OXAtnr17p1h)
What a terrible decision. I really hope we can appeal this.
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It's a simple game really you know. Benteke is back, he's scored twice, through goals made by himself, and we've got 4 more points than we probably would have had.
Had we had him all season we'd probably have the same points as West Ham!
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It's a simple game really you know. Benteke is back, he's scored twice, through goals made by himself, and we've got 4 more points than we probably would have had.
Had we had him all season we'd probably have the same points as West Ham!
This is true, because West Ham are fucking shit. As are we. As are most teams in the league.
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No one's calling for medals, just a bit of credit when he gets things right.
I've given him credit, Lee, I just didn't see what his tactics were. Did you?
He matched up with a back three and also continued his newly discovered obsession with possession.
Seemed pretty clear to me what his tactics were regardless of whether they were right or wrong.
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Hopefully Gabby's red card won't get rescinded. I think we'll play much better in the next 3 games without him as displayed in the 25 minutes he wasn't on for.
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WTF???!
Gabby had a poor game
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At half time I said double up on young, we did not, he played the cross and some twat scored. This Management Malarkey is easy.
I almost had a stroke after 10 mins when we gave them 80%+ possesion. The inevitable happened.
The Gabby incident is a joke, the commentators here struggled to see it as a foul, both players went for the ball, Gabby did not raise a foot.
Anyway, onwards and upwards, at least we did not loose.
As an aside why is it that their Knob end supporters are allowed to sit so close to the pitch and look like they are trying to invade it, despite so many stewards and cops are in front of them.
They do not do it at the shithole of nightmares so why do they think that they can get away with it at Villla Park ?
They do it because they are taking the piss.
As Aged as I am am my blood was boiling , i was trying to jump into the T.V Screen and teach them a lesson they learnt before about fucking about at Villa Park.
Sorry for the rant
They should only be allocated the elevated porrtion next year.
Happy with the point.
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Traffic horrendous so only just back. Good performance and a great hard-earned point, in spite of the best efforts of Manchester's finest - Mr L Mason. When I saw the red card go up I actually cheered because I presumed Young had been sent off and he'd stayed down pretending to be injured to try and avoid it (or to try and get Gabby sent off instead of himself). I was literally speechless when it turned out to be Gabby sent off - his first ever red card in the league apparently. Young admitted to Guzan afterwards that he'd fouled Gabby. Presumably we'll appeal and it will get rescinded, although given that it's the FA and it involves Yanited, that's by no means certain.
Special mentions for Guzan, Vlaar, Clark, Okore, Delph, Sanchez and Benteke; Weimann worked hard but if you need someone to play midfield why not use Bacuna (who I thought did well when he came on) instead of playing Weimann out of position; Cissokho was decent; Gabby was unfortunate to get sent off but the team worked harder afterwards so he wasn't missed that much and we could have nicked it at the end - I'm still convinced Bacuna's shot went through the net not over the bar. Lowton must have smelled awful after the game as he spent most of it in Young's pocket.
The performance today even when down to ten men shows we did not miss, and do not need Cleverley. Manure can keep him
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I initially thought young was going to get the red. Unfortunately he is a cheating bastard and stayed down, where as Gabby got up. If Gabby had stayed down he may not have received the red.
Later on in the game Young was holding his face after a challenge from Benteke, but soon got on with it when the ref didnt react. Absolute arse.
Good point today.
Okore is class and Sanchez also looking good. Beneteke is a great outlet.
Get Width and some creativity in midfield and we would have a decent squad.
Utd got their tactics wrong. Rooney was too deep and whilst they had a lot of possession Guzan was untroubled. We had the better chances. Utd look average and a long way from Chelsea and man city. They were fortunate to beat Southampton and Liverpool
Enjoyable game. Well done Villa. All laugh at the baggies!
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No one's calling for medals, just a bit of credit when he gets things right.
I've given him credit, Lee, I just didn't see what his tactics were. Did you?
He matched up with a back three and also continued his newly discovered obsession with possession.
Seemed pretty clear to me what his tactics were regardless of whether they were right or wrong.
A back three, are you sure it wasn't a back five? 34% possession. Rejoice!
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No one's calling for medals, just a bit of credit when he gets things right.
I've given him credit, Lee, I just didn't see what his tactics were. Did you?
He matched up with a back three and also continued his newly discovered obsession with possession.
Seemed pretty clear to me what his tactics were regardless of whether they were right or wrong.
A back three, are you sure it wasn't a back five? 34% possession. Rejoice!
It was five at the back as opposed to two full backs who attack. Cissoko looks frightened every time he has possession in the opposition half. Ditto Lowton.
We gave up a lot of possession but overall we had the better chances. Good display today, a little more confidence and ability and we would have the basis of a decent mid table team
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Sanchez and Okore both strike me as technically excellent. Especially Sanchez.
If we are going to lose Vlaar and Delph, let's make sure we replace them with players who have a bit of technique rather than mediocre guff like Cleverley.
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Credit to Lambert today, we played well and contained them bar a 10 minute spell in the first half. Tactically he got it right matching them up and we pressed them lot better after about 15 minutes and started laying a glove on them.
Lowton was the weak link and have Young far too much space throughout. They created very little on balance, although it was disappointing that we were so deep after half time and it felt like a goal was coming.
The three centre halves played very well, while Delph in the second half really exposed how poor they are when you drive at them.
Weimann is a victim of his own hardwork as he looked out of place in the midfield, but he always works hard. He did a good job of keeping Rooney 40 yards from goal.
Interesting to see Rooney play so deep and also referee the game. The red card was a joke and Blackett proved there is no consistency.
Credit to the player for their response. There was a real indignation and we stepped it up. Credit again to Lambert for being tactically shrewd enough to switch the formation when they went to a flat back four. Clark had Young down up, while Bacuna nearly won us the game.
De ages left making more saves and I feel that 65% of the ball flatters them, largely made up for when we were down to ten men, as we continue to try and treat the ball with more respect.
On Carrick watch, I saw him get bullied and lose possession a few times. I also saw him foul Benteke, but still fail to stop the big man forcing a top save from De Gea. No surprise, he's a chronic plodder way out of his depth at centre half.
Pleased with a point, the performance and the character.
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The glass felt half full today. Far more positives than negatives. For all their possession Man U didn't create all that much and we had several decent chances as well as the goal. Defence looks way more solid this year. Sanchez is bedding in nicely now. Benteke is back. Good to see we kept trying to attack even after the sending off. Never a foul by Gabby let alone a red, clearly the free kick should have gone the other way.
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I initially thought young was going to get the red. Unfortunately he is a cheating bastard and stayed down, where as Gabby got up. If Gabby had stayed down he may not have received the red.
Later on in the game Young was holding his face after a challenge from Benteke, but soon got on with it when the ref didnt react. Absolute arse.
Good point today.
Okore is class and Sanchez also looking good. Beneteke is a great outlet.
Get Width and some creativity in midfield and we would have a decent squad.
Utd got their tactics wrong. Rooney was too deep and whilst they had a lot of possession Guzan was untroubled. We had the better chances. Utd look average and a long way from Chelsea and man city. They were fortunate to beat Southampton and Liverpool
Enjoyable game. Well done Villa. All laugh at the baggies!
Agree with all of that Rudy - great post!
I also thought Young was going to get sent off...thought his "tackle" was way over the top and reckless - as did many others around me. MOTD might be worth a watch just to see it replayed 23 times!
Gabby's first ever sending-off and the red should be rescinded.
Great point in the circumstances.
UTV!
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Credit to Lambert today, we played well and contained them bar a 10 minute spell in the first half. Tactically he got it right matching them up and we pressed them lot better after about 15 minutes and started laying a glove on them.
Lowton was the weak link and have Young far too much space throughout. They created very little on balance, although it was disappointing that we were so deep after half time and it felt like a goal was coming.
The three centre halves played very well, while Delph in the second half really exposed how poor they are when you drive at them.
Weimann is a victim of his own hardwork as he looked out of place in the midfield, but he always works hard. He did a good job of keeping Rooney 40 yards from goal.
Interesting to see Rooney play so deep and also referee the game. The red card was a joke and Blackett proved there is no consistency.
Credit to the player for their response. There was a real indignation and we stepped it up. Credit again to Lambert for being tactically shrewd enough to switch the formation when they went to a flat back four. Clark had Young down up, while Bacuna nearly won us the game.
De ages left making more saves and I feel that 65% of the ball flatters them, largely made up for when we were down to ten men, as we continue to try and treat the ball with more respect.
On Carrick watch, I saw him get bullied and lose possession a few times. I also saw him foul Benteke, but still fail to stop the big man forcing a top save from De Gea. No surprise, he's a chronic plodder way out of his depth at centre half.
Pleased with a point, the performance and the character.
A very good summation, although I didn't think Lowton was that bad.
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It's going to take a bit of time for this new way of playing to be perfected. It's going to take a bit of investment too by bringing in players specific to this system and tactic. It doesn't help matters getting players sent off because it naturally took us away from the intent of playing a certain way. I am starting to believe that if Lambert sticks to this, we as Villa fans, who in the main are quite realistic about our current place in the game, will give the manager time to make it work and get the results. The one thing we have all hated as part of losing is in how we lost. Now it appears we are dedicating ourselves to a better style and in time we will give ourselves more chances to win because we have kept the ball more often.
There is a long, long way to go and bumps will be experienced along the way but at least it is more attractive to the eye than almost all of the last 18 months or so.
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Lowton was the weak link and have Young far too much space throughout. They created very little on balance, although it was disappointing that we were so deep after half time and it felt like a goal was coming.
Agree with all your positives and yeah Lowton needs to go. Sorry to say but he really sticks out as not good enough for this league. I would sooner see Bacuna play back there if Hutton is out again. After his decent first season for whatever reason Lowton has regressed to being a League One player. Sad :(
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Paul Lambert is clearly shit at hiring & delegating to coaches & in direct contact with the players does actually know what he is doing. From the evidence.
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Lambert said the same thing about young telling Guzan he thought he'd fouled Gabby not the other way round. I will be amazed if it isn't rescinded.
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Replace lowton with Hutton and all of a sudden the back 5 with Delph and Sanchez sat in front is starting to look solid as a foundation to build on .
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Traffic horrendous so only just back. Good performance and a great hard-earned point, in spite of the best efforts of Manchester's finest - Mr L Mason. When I saw the red card go up I actually cheered because I presumed Young had been sent off and he'd stayed down pretending to be injured to try and avoid it (or to try and get Gabby sent off instead of himself). I was literally speechless when it turned out to be Gabby sent off - his first ever red card in the league apparently.
Exactly the same for me, should have known better really, especially after seeing Suralex arrive at the ground before I went in.
Proud that we kept our composure and tried even harder afterwards.
Was surprised Rooney had so much space, but as has been said he didn't do much with it.
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Lowton was the weak link and have Young far too much space throughout. They created very little on balance, although it was disappointing that we were so deep after half time and it felt like a goal was coming.
Agree with all your positives and yeah Lowton needs to go. Sorry to say but he really sticks out as not good enough for this league. I would sooner see Bacuna play back there if Hutton is out again. After his decent first season for whatever reason Lowton has regressed to being a League One player. Sad :(
I caught the end of a stream from an Irish broadcaster and they showed a few clips highlighting how off the pace Lowton was. I'm inclined to agree. I don't think he's good enough.
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Lambert got the tactics and the substitutions right. Let's give him some credit. He's got lots of faults but the claim so many make that he's incompetent tactically is bollocks
Exactly what were his tactics. Counter attacking? The only real credit Lambert deserves is he had every single player up for today and they collectively put a massive shift in. Finally against Man Utd our players looked like men instead of boys but I hardly think he deserves any medals for the team trying to pass the ball.
It's comments like this that drive me crazy.
He matched up against United's 352. It worked
this enabled gabby and BENTEKE to get lots of space down the sides of their back three
They struggled to create chances despite a set of attacking players that would cost about £200m to buy
We broke on them frequently and in the first half with better passing from gabby we'd have had a couple more great chances to score
We had a man sent off and were massively under the cosh. Lambert changed to a back four and from then on we had more of the play and better chances
He brought on bacuna who almost scored and almost set up a late winner
Weimann struggled a bit but his breaking from midfield against a United midfield that wasn't set up to hold was a recurrent threat
Our new found willingness to pass the ball with more composure meant we took the pressure off us at key points in the first and second half
Apart from that, nah his tactics didn't work at all
Give the guy a break when he deserves it
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I didn't see the match so looking forward to seeing MOTD for a change. I've seen a clip of the sending off though. Absolutely scandalous decision, Gabby shouldn't even have been booked for that.
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Only saw bits of the second half, but Lowton committed a cardinal sin for Falcao's goal. Not only did he get turned inside out by Young, but turned his back on him which is where he let Young get past him as he never recovered position.
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Sending off was a disgrace but Lambert should have subbed Gabby before it happened, thought he and Weimann apart from running around a lot didn't give any support to Benteke. Defence really starting to look solid need one or two better forwards and we will be okay.
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Only saw bits of the second half, but Lowton committed a cardinal sin for Falcao's goal. Not only did he get turned inside out by Young, but turned his back on him which is where he let Young get past him as he never recovered position.
Yup. I sit right by there and knew we were in trouble once he turned his back.
Thought the 3 centre backs were excellent today. Sanchez is too casual on the ball for me, but he did well. Delph was good, he can be much better though. Benteke proved again just how good he is.
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We criticise him enough but dear me if you can't give Lambert a bit of credit tonight for not losing today against a team we routinely collapse against annually, and with 10 men for the last half hour, you need your head looking at.
A very good result and seemingly the performance was good aswell. It was credit to play 3 at the back as we need Ron's leadership when we're playing strikers of that quality and seems we limited United to few clear cut chances with that tactic.
Just seen a GIF of the red card...dear me. Maybe it looks worse at real speed but that is incredibly harsh, you see those collisions ten times in a game. Well worth an appeal imo.
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I agree Matt. He has many faults, but when we play well and the players that Lambert signed did well, then it's ridiculous to say that he did shite. I still hope he can turn it around. I think he's made bad decisions, but he's also had bad luck. If he can start making some sensible ones, then the luck should even itself out. The shift in tactics since Keane's departure shows a hint of things changing for the better. Hopefully.
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Lambert got the tactics and the substitutions right. Let's give him some credit. He's got lots of faults but the claim so many make that he's incompetent tactically is bollocks
Exactly what were his tactics. Counter attacking? The only real credit Lambert deserves is he had every single player up for today and they collectively put a massive shift in. Finally against Man Utd our players looked like men instead of boys but I hardly think he deserves any medals for the team trying to pass the ball.
It's comments like this that drive me crazy.
He matched up against United's 352. It worked
this enabled gabby and BENTEKE to get lots of space down the sides of their back three
They struggled to create chances despite a set of attacking players that would cost about £200m to buy
We broke on them frequently and in the first half with better passing from gabby we'd have had a couple more great chances to score
We had a man sent off and were massively under the cosh. Lambert changed to a back four and from then on we had more of the play and better chances
He brought on bacuna who almost scored and almost set up a late winner
Weimann struggled a bit but his breaking from midfield against a United midfield that wasn't set up to hold was a recurrent threat
Our new found willingness to pass the ball with more composure meant we took the pressure off us at key points in the first and second half
Apart from that, nah his tactics didn't work at all
Give the guy a break when he deserves it
I sort of agree with you.
Lambert got his tactics right today, but one Swallow and all that...
I think that the point is that we have a half decent squad and Lambert has failed to get the best out of them......until now. He now has the chance to build on this and take us forward. He has been unlucky with injuries, but assuming Delph and Vlaar dont leave in Jan, he has a decent mid table squad to work with. Last chance saloon?
Lambert needs to be more positive and FFS NOT, I repeat, NOT play Weiman AND Gabby together with Benteke. It doesnt work and apart from the odd game has never done so.
Good point today
Onwards and upwards.....hopefully.
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I didn't see the match so looking forward to seeing MOTD for a change. I've seen a clip of the sending off though. Absolutely scandalous decision, Gabby shouldn't even have been booked for that.
Just seen the sending off . Absolutely a wrong decision. Seems more likely that Ash would have been sent off for showing his studs. Its about time video evidence was introduced in real time . It seems tackling is being eradicated by a new breed of referee.
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The players did well with what they were asked to do, but realistically even before the sending-off, we had to rely on a moment of brilliance from Benteke to look like scoring. We tried to pass it out from the back, which is really laudable, but the problem was there was a gaping chasm in the midfield most of the time. And when we did go long to Benteke, Gabby and Weimann still fail, far too often, to get close enough to the big man to capitalise and retain possession. If they'd been covering the flanks and protecting the full-backs, I'd say that's understandable, but they weren't really.
It's not like we were carving out chances with any regularity. I still think we should have looked to impose ourselves more on them, because even though they have quality going forward, they were in total panic every time the ball went into their area.
Having said all that, Lambert was obviously looking to contain them and snatch a goal, and we did that, so fair enough. It's a good point against a top-four side, especially with the personnel we had missing. And we did look solid at the back, with the exception of Lowton who looks like a rabbit in the headlights every single time a winger runs at him. Plus, when you consider the three centre-halves out there are now playing really well, and we have Baker and Senderos too, we are pretty spoilt in that position now. Clark, Baker and Okore deserve a lot of credit.
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Just home. Very proud of them, especially so because at the death we looked the more likely to win it with ten men. At long last our defence is looking rugged and it will be even more so with the return of Alan Hutton. Jores Okore looks better and better with each game, Clark is showing signs of becoming the player we once hoped he could be and Christian Benteke is sheer class. If it was a positive decision by Lambert to defend by counter attacking with his subs, why has it taken two and a half seasons for that penny to drop? We sure wrecked Ashley Young's confidence. Little diving rat.
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Congratulations to anyone who had 'innocuous 50-50 challenge' in this week's How Will The Ref Find A Bemusing Way To Reduce Villa To Ten Men Raffle.
Young even admitted to Brad, after the game, that it wasn't a foul.
Maybe if he hadn't rolled around like he'd had both legs shattered it probably wouldn't have happened. Then 10 seconds later he was sprinting down the line.
The ref was much to quick in his decision. I looked at the reaction of both sets of players, there was no reaction. That, in it's self, spoke volumes.
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Find Van Gaal's comments pretty disrespectful to us too...
...saying Utd gave away 2 points with no reference to the influence of the sending off or the fact that there was another team on the pitch.
Twaat!
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The Yanited fans seem most concerned about why only 3 minutes was added on. Utter twats.
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Yet again Okore was top,top drawer.
We really have a gem there and need to remember he has barely reached double figures in playing at this level.
Absolutely superb.
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The Yanited fans seem most concerned about why only 3 minutes was added on. Utter twats.
Because that's only how long Young stayed down for?
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Only saw bits of the second half, but Lowton committed a cardinal sin for Falcao's goal. Not only did he get turned inside out by Young, but turned his back on him which is where he let Young get past him as he never recovered position.
Hutton would have flattened Ash before he had a chance to get the cross in.
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@MatKendrick: Paul Lambert: Ashley Young told Villa he fouled red-carded Gabby Agbonlahor - not vice versa http://t.co/FSh2f6v08v http://t.co/ZLVDgEcH0H
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Yet again Okore was top,top drawer.
We really have a gem there and need to remember he has barely reached double figures in playing at this level.
Absolutely superb.
With all the talk of another club making an offer for Vlaar, I'm more worried about a bid coming in for Okore.
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I still don't like all this rolling the ball out to defenders stood just off the goal line. It allows the opposition to defend high up the pitch.
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@MatKendrick: Paul Lambert: Ashley Young told Villa he fouled red-carded Gabby Agbonlahor - not vice versa http://t.co/FSh2f6v08v http://t.co/ZLVDgEcH0H
It's well worth an appeal. I believe we appealed Benteke's red but that was never going to be overturned really.
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I still don't like all this rolling the ball out to defenders stood just off the goal line. It allows the opposition to defend high up the pitch.
Surely it's better than booting it up the pitch and giving it away again?!!
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Yet again Okore was top,top drawer.
We really have a gem there and need to remember he has barely reached double figures in playing at this level.
Absolutely superb.
With all the talk of another club making an offer for Vlaar, I'm more worried about a bid coming in for Okore.
Okore has certainly hit the ground running since Lambert introduced him. Lets hope he keeps it up.
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@MatKendrick: Paul Lambert: Ashley Young told Villa he fouled red-carded Gabby Agbonlahor - not vice versa http://t.co/FSh2f6v08v http://t.co/ZLVDgEcH0H
When the challenge went in, I yelled out "he's gotta go for that". However, by "he", I meant Ash. I could believe it when the Ref showed the red card to Ganby instead.
Given Ash's comments and the fact that it was a bloody stupid decision anyway, surely the card will be rescinded on appeal.
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I watched the full 90 minutes today and it's only after reading some of the post-match stuff just now that I realised Darren Fletcher played.
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Seriously? Did he?
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I was at the game and I cannot believe Mata was on the pitch either.
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The only thing I remember Fletcher doing was conceding a free kick in the first half.
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Lambert got the tactics and the substitutions right. Let's give him some credit. He's got lots of faults but the claim so many make that he's incompetent tactically is bollocks
Exactly what were his tactics. Counter attacking? The only real credit Lambert deserves is he had every single player up for today and they collectively put a massive shift in. Finally against Man Utd our players looked like men instead of boys but I hardly think he deserves any medals for the team trying to pass the ball.
It's comments like this that drive me crazy.
He matched up against United's 352. It worked
this enabled gabby and BENTEKE to get lots of space down the sides of their back three
They struggled to create chances despite a set of attacking players that would cost about £200m to buy
We broke on them frequently and in the first half with better passing from gabby we'd have had a couple more great chances to score
We had a man sent off and were massively under the cosh. Lambert changed to a back four and from then on we had more of the play and better chances
He brought on bacuna who almost scored and almost set up a late winner
Weimann struggled a bit but his breaking from midfield against a United midfield that wasn't set up to hold was a recurrent threat
Our new found willingness to pass the ball with more composure meant we took the pressure off us at key points in the first and second half
Apart from that, nah his tactics didn't work at all
Give the guy a break when he deserves it
Tactics go beyond stopping the opposition playing, Matt. As frustrating as may be for you to comprehend, we were on the back foot for a large part of the game, we had little idea what to do when we entered their half or even how to get there but through mainly true grit and some great individual performances (Guzan, Jores, Delph and Sanchez) we got a deserved point.
3-5-2? I think we've already cleared that one up.
I thought it was Man Utd's tactics to allow Benteke and Gabby out to the wide positions, you know, out of harm's reach. If it was as you say Lambert's it may some way to explaining why we've one of the poorest goalscoring stats in all leagues. I really hope you're wrong.
I could go on but I'm reluctant to bang my head against a wall. The only thing I will add, let's give Lambert the credit for this one as it's close to Christmas, today was the first time I was comfortable entering the last five minutes we weren't going to concede a late goal. Even during the 2nd half I was relatively confident that even if Man Utd equalised, we could still go on and score again. That says as much about our growing confidence and technically better players around (Benteke, Jores and Sanchez) as it does about how Van Gaal's piss poor attempts of making a decent side with the talent he has available.
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Great effort by the players. Deserved point certainly and we were the team pushing on for the win late on. As much as we give Lambert stick for his lack of action on the sideline, the tactical shift to four at the back made us a lot more solid while Bacuna was very good when he came on. Nzogbia less so. Would like to see Bacuna play a lot more, would be ideally suited to the right of our midfield three next to Sanchez and Delph. Red was certainly harsh but don't understand the criticism of Young as he took a fair bang. Booing him was ridiculous too, one of the best attacking players at the club I've seen at the club in the 20 years I've supported the Villa.
United look a mess of a side to be honest, Young was their best player by a mile today. Van Gaal moving him off Lowton was baffling. Not sure what has happened Antonio Valencia over the last few years but he looked a pub player. Fletcher too is finished while Rooney doesn't hurt sides when he plays deep and starts the Hollywood passes.
Was very happy with our three centre backs. Sanchez and Delph were much better in the second half while Benteke was outstanding. Brilliant goal from the big man and the United centre backs were scared stiff of him.
Guzan 7, Lowton 3, Okore 8, Vlaar 7, Clark 7, cissokho 5, Sanchez 6, Delph 7, Weimann 5, Gabby 5, Benteke 8. Bacuna 7, Nzogbia 5
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I still don't like all this rolling the ball out to defenders stood just off the goal line. It allows the opposition to defend high up the pitch.
Surely it's better than booting it up the pitch and giving it away again?!!
Something I'm sure we all agree on.
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Seriously? Did he?
He was subbed at half time.
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Seriously? Did he?
Yeah he got subbed off at half time. I actually feel a bit sorry for him because he had that illness and it's completely broken him as a player.
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The telegraph
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/premier-league/11305622/Aston-Villa-1-Manchester-United-1-match-report-Radamel-Falcao-on-target-as-10-man-Villa-hang-on-for-a-point.html
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I still don't like all this rolling the ball out to defenders stood just off the goal line. It allows the opposition to defend high up the pitch.
Surely it's better than booting it up the pitch and giving it away again?!!
I've no problem with rolling the ball out to a player in space but I don't see the point of rolling it to a player who is immediately put under pressure and has to hurridly clear or pass it straight back to Brad.
Sometimes there's nothing wrong with booting the ball up the pitch
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loved this quote from the telegraph
There is still too much chaos in their play; too much fragility in defence. The game’s dominant performers – goalscorer Christian Benteke, who adds so much power and presence, Fabian Delph in midfield and defender Jores Okore – were all in claret and blue.
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Find Van Gaal's comments pretty disrespectful to us too...
...saying Utd gave away 2 points with no reference to the influence of the sending off or the fact that there was another team on the pitch.
Twaat!
I heard his post match interview, your right, he's a very disrespectful prick. I don't like him one bit.
Well played villa today, Lambert's definitely doing something right on the training ground now. Fair play to him.
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loved this quote from the telegraph
There is still too much chaos in their play; too much fragility in defence. The game’s dominant performers – goalscorer Christian Benteke, who adds so much power and presence, Fabian Delph in midfield and defender Jores Okore – were all in claret and blue.
That's nice to read innit?
UTV!
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Cannot believe the moans about trying to play football from the back, how long have people been moaning about Brad kicking it long?
I thought we were excellent today, Okore was immense, the back three worked well, Hutton would not have let Young get that cross in, but Lowton did ok and the mark of 3 is so wrong. We have a nucleus of decent players now, can challenge for top half I reckon and like the way we are trying to play. The sending off was a disgrace and how the feck can a bloke from Bolton manage a Man ure game?
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Seriously? Did he?
Yeah he got subbed off at half time. I actually feel a bit sorry for him because he had that illness and it's completely broken him as a player.
Shows how weak the Man Utd midfield is when it consists of an out of position Rooney and the remains of a once decent player in Fletcher.
Even the presence of the man, the legend, THE Michael Carrick in midfield for the second half didn't help them much.
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Find Van Gaal's comments pretty disrespectful to us too...
...saying Utd gave away 2 points with no reference to the influence of the sending off or the fact that there was another team on the pitch.
Twaat!
I heard his post match interview, your right, he's a very disrespectful prick. I don't like him one bit.
Well played villa today, Lambert's definitely doing something right on the training ground now. Fair play to him.
Interesting that Lambert refers to the "new system" that he's asked them to play...and Benteke referred to in his interview on AVTV in the week.
So, is this all Lambert's idea? Influence of those who have stepped up since Keane's departure? Phoning his Mum?
Credit where it's due - it's better.
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Unexpectedly, Ashley Young surpassed Stuart Downing in the Custard Coloured Cad stakes today, the prick.
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Okore is so powerful - The Beast Mk 2. Young - an absolute wanker. Gabby should deck him before he gets on the team bus!!
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Cannot believe the moans about trying to play football from the back, how long have people been moaning about Brad kicking it long?
It's all about using the tactic in the right circumstances and with some variety. At the moment Brad is under orders from Lambert (who made it very clear with his verbal and gestured instructions today) to pass it short/wide every time.
Mixing in some longer throws would keep the opposition honest and not allow them to defend such a high line.
Also, using this tactic when playing three at the back means that Carlos has to drop deep alongside Vlaar, thus leaving one less player in midfield for the player receiving the short/wide pass to look for.
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Seriously? Did he?
Yeah he got subbed off at half time. I actually feel a bit sorry for him because he had that illness and it's completely broken him as a player.
And a footballer who doesnt appear to be up his iwn arse, permanently. Genuinely underrated in my book.
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Rooney might have been out of position but a couple of the passes he found Valencia with in the first half were outstanding.
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Gabby's red card will be rescinded. Even BBC pundits agree.
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Well done lads. A great effort today and we got the very least we deserved. Every player put a shift in and I can see us building from this. The play wasn't slowed down by Westy or Cleverley. The three centre halves looked formidable. I am thrilled that the much maligned Clark is in form. Sanchez looks a great addition. The best performers were wearing Claret and Blue. Gabby didn't deserve a yellow.
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Cannot believe the moans about trying to play football from the back, how long have people been moaning about Brad kicking it long?
It's all about using the tactic in the right circumstances and with some variety. At the moment Brad is under orders from Lambert (who made it very clear with his verbal and gestured instructions today) to pass it short/wide every time.
Mixing in some longer throws would keep the opposition honest and not allow them to defend such a high line.
Also, using this tactic when playing three at the back means that Carlos has to drop deep alongside Vlaar, thus leaving one less player in midfield for the player receiving the short/wide pass to look for.
Totally disagree, I saw Brad kicking long when needed. I like the way we have been trying to play, and we have mixed it up
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Gabby's red card will be rescinded. Even BBC pundits agree.
Said so to my mate Winston within seconds of the far too hasty, incorrect decision by the one-eyed ref from Greater Manchester.
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Seriously? Did he?
Yeah he got subbed off at half time. I actually feel a bit sorry for him because he had that illness and it's completely broken him as a player.
A friend of mine had ulcerative colitis, which is the condition Fletcher has, and it is truly horrific. If mismanaged it can lead to you living with a colostomy bag, and the rules for living with it are pretty all-encompassing.
I feel very sorry for Fletcher, too.
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For those claiming there were no tactics - are you for real? The opposition were on the back of six straight wins where their attacking talent has carried them all the way. Lambert changed the whole system to largely nullify the likes of Mata, RVP, etc. The fact they had so few clear cut chances is testament to the formation and style of play. When Gabby went, he again made subs to change the formation which wrestled their spell of dominance back into an evenly fought contest during the last 15 mins (which we could've scored in) when most would have feared the inevitable. You may not like the manager but don't ignore the facts.
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I continue to be delighted, amazed and somehow smugly satisfied at the way in which Okore has played with such poise and flair, and Clark with real strength and maturity.
I really hope we can keep them, and keep them together.
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Watching the Villa today was an enjoyable experience.
Progress.
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Rooney might have been out of position but a couple of the passes he found Valencia with in the first half were outstanding.
Yep, but we stood off him and allowed him to make those passes. That said, it was almost a side ways pass and didnt get them very far.
Rooney wasted in that position.....but who cares
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For those claiming there were no tactics - are you for real? The opposition were on the back of six straight wins where their attacking talent has carried them all the way. Lambert changed the whole system to largely nullify the likes of Mata, RVP, etc. The fact they had so few clear cut chances is testament to the formation and style of play. When Gabby went, he again made subs to change the formation which wrestled their spell of dominance back into an evenly fought contest during the last 15 mins (which we could've scored in) when most would have feared the inevitable. You may not like the manager but don't ignore the facts.
I'm no fan of Lambert and he gets it wrong more than he gets it right, but today, full credit. It almost seemed inevitable we'd capitulate when Gabby went. We didn't.
He earned his cheque this week.
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Hopefully Gabby's red card won't get rescinded. I think we'll play much better in the next 3 games without him as displayed in the 25 minutes he wasn't on for.
Spot on - he's a waste of a shirt . He hides .
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It's days like this that make our prolonged poor spells so frustrating.
Lambert has got it in him. At times he pulls some absolute blinders, he's got Brendan Rogers in his pocket, and yet we see long spells when he can't see the bloody wood for the trees.
Fingers crossed he's learned enough from his mistakes, getting it right more often with what now looks a half decent team could make a big difference in this league.
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Well deserved point & we had the better chances.
Lowton showed why he's not a premiership defender, he never laid a finger on Young all afternoon. Hutton would never have been beaten that easily nor that often. I was glad when they moved Young to the right.
On the sending off, Mason saw what he wanted to see, nearly tore his hamstring as he raced over the issue the red card. At best he guessed, he couldn't have seen a sending off offence because there wasn't one.
Okore was hugely impressive, again.
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Seriously? Did he?
Yeah he got subbed off at half time. I actually feel a bit sorry for him because he had that illness and it's completely broken him as a player.
Shows how weak the Man Utd midfield is when it consists of an out of position Rooney and the remains of a once decent player in Fletcher.
Even the presence of the man, the legend, THE Michael Carrick in midfield for the second half didn't help them much.
Fletcher was no worse than any of the other Utd midfield. Too many square passes. He had a great chance to shoot after about 30 mins and chose to cross to the back post which went put for a goal kick. He is, and always was, an average midfield player
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Hopefully they can all take a lot of confidence from this including lambert. Would be lovely to go to Swansea and take a point minimum now. We are looking much more solid at the back and if we can get Benteke chances we can start climbing the league.
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Hopefully Gabby's red card won't get rescinded. I think we'll play much better in the next 3 games without him as displayed in the 25 minutes he wasn't on for.
Spot on - he's a waste of a shirt . He hides .
That is wrong, he put a shift in today
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Hopefully Gabby's red card won't get rescinded. I think we'll play much better in the next 3 games without him as displayed in the 25 minutes he wasn't on for.
Spot on - he's a waste of a shirt . He hides .
That is wrong, he put a shift in today
I thought N'Zogbia got in better positions (albeit a few were off-side) for the little time than he was on than Gabby did for 65 minutes. If you call holding up the ball a few times by the tunnel 'putting in a shift' then he done well.
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There was a point just before half time - ball was cleared down our right - and was just stood in the centre circle - daydreaming. His touch was poor (1 on a 3 v 3 attack) and that led to him getting sent off. I hope it is rescinded, but I do think he should be dropped.
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Hopefully Gabby's red card won't get rescinded. I think we'll play much better in the next 3 games without him as displayed in the 25 minutes he wasn't on for.
Spot on - he's a waste of a shirt . He hides .
That is wrong, he put a shift in today
How exactly ? There were dozens of times today when he could have shown for the ball , got across his defender to make himself available or even do something as simple as run a channel for a ball to be played into and relieve pressure .
He did nothing - he hides behind defenders - never shows in front .
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People moaning about the tactics. Moaning about brad passing it out
Jesus fucking Christ. Villa have been awful to watch for bloody ages, we're genuinely improved of late, including in defence. Sanchez is looking much better. All of our centre backs are playing really well. Benteke is a menace
Let's just enjoy the progress. It's tbere statistically, visually and emotionally.
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People moaning about the tactics. Moaning about brad passing it out
Jesus fucking Christ. Villa have been awful to watch for bloody ages, we're genuinely improved of late, including in defence. Sanchez is looking much better. All of our centre backs are playing really well. Benteke is a menace
Let's just enjoy the progress. It's tbere statistically, visually and emotionally.
100% agree.
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People moaning about the tactics. Moaning about brad passing it out
Jesus fucking Christ. Villa have been awful to watch for bloody ages, we're genuinely improved of late, including in defence. Sanchez is looking much better. All of our centre backs are playing really well. Benteke is a menace
Let's just enjoy the progress. It's tbere statistically, visually and emotionally.
couldn't agree more. I said before the start that the approach to the game was as important maybe even more important than the result. We not only got a good result, but our overall play, attitude and willingness to be patient and pass it is really positive step. I hope if nothing else we keep at this, because against worse sides than Man U who have spent an absolute fortune in the past 2 seasons we will prevail. Swansea and Southampton in recent seasons have proved that getting results by playing good football on a limited budget is achievable.
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People enjoy moaning.
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Well done Villa, far better than I'd expected.
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I'm no Lambert fan but I think today he has to be credited, he set us up to match them and it was a pleasure to see our players execute properly. That very rare occurrence, I actually enjoyed a game.
Guzan was excellent, last 10 minutes he was as dominant in his area as any keeper you'll see.
Lowton, contrary to some of the comments I've seen I actually thought he did well, most of the time he kept Young on his left foot and didn't let him cut in.
Cissokho looks a little lost when going forward, the fact we are so narrow left him & Delph out alone on the left too much.
Vlaar, slotted back in nicely.
Okore, superb again...wonder if we would have ever seen him if it hadn't been for injuries.
Clark, my MotM again, thought he was immense.
Sanchez, pushed Clark, thought he was excellent, not in a Makoun way where Utd let him have the ball but in a combative, calm way.
Delph, excellent alongside Sanchez.
Weimann, worked himself to a standstill, unfamiliar position but he did his job.
Benteke, bullied the soft lads at the back - gr8 hit!!
Gabby, never a red card in a million years - piss poor refereeing, got to be rescinded, surely??
Bacuna, looked lively
N'zogbia - if we wanted an offside runner we'd have kept Darren!
What we need now is to see this performance built on, history shows us that good displays are quickly followed up with disappointment - please Lambert, let's make this the opposite!
Mr Mason with his equally incompetent colleague Mr Swarbrick are making a captivating case to push Dowd out of the top 3 garbage refs list!
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I see the BBC match report is really fair and unbiased.
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Young - an absolute wanker. Gabby should deck him before he gets on the team bus!!
Gabby probably would get a few months ban for violent conduct if he did that. What did Young do to get Gabby the red? It was the ref running over like madman that made the mistake.
Quote from one of their more sensible fans on RC
Credit to Villa though. Harsh red and they still could have won it.
Summed it up for me, that's how I saw it.
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I see the BBC match report is really fair and unbiased.
Reads like a glowing reference for inclusion in The Red Devils' new prospectus!
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I still have serious misgivings about Sanchez. Delph's sharpness and reading of the game made Sanchez look imprecise and uncertain. The basics of a good player are there for all to see but he needs to sharpen up. In my opinion.
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Young is a snidey little ******. He hit the deck like he'd been shot, the cheat and on the back of him being a coward, going in with two feet and turning his back because he was afraid of getting hurt.
He pretended he had been hit in the face later on too.
Utter ******.
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I think he's sort of acknowledged that himself Brian...the pace of the game in the Prem is much higher than what he's been used to for years...and I'm sure he's working on being sharper.
The quality is there though.
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Sanchez looks a good player to me. He seems unrushed and not afraid to have the ball in tight spaces.
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I see the BBC match report is really fair and unbiased.
Reads like a glowing reference for inclusion in The Red Devils' new prospectus!
Haven't seen the game yet but I read this match report before coming on here.
I certainly wasn't expecting this level of positivity which says a lot about the BBC reporting where Yanited is concerned.
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Young is a snidey little c***. He hit the deck like he'd been shot, the cheat and on the back of him being a coward, going in with two feet and turning his back because he was afraid of getting hurt.
He pretended he had been hit in the face later on too.
Utter c***.
Pretty much what I thought I saw live - jumping in two-footed, sort of sideways. I immediately assumed he was going to get a red. Couldn't believe it when Mason showed it to Gabby.
It has got to be rescinded, surely!
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Sanchez looks a good player to me. He seems unrushed and not afraid to have the ball in tight spaces.
Now he's getting used to the pace, you can see his technique is good. When he's had any money to spend, Lambert's made some really decent signings, it has to be said.
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Young is a snidey little c***. He hit the deck like he'd been shot, the cheat and on the back of him being a coward, going in with two feet and turning his back because he was afraid of getting hurt.
He pretended he had been hit in the face later on too.
Utter c***.
Pretty much what I thought I saw live - jumping in two-footed, sort of sideways. I immediately assumed he was going to get a red. Couldn't believe it when Mason showed it to Gabby.
It has got to be rescinded, surely!
This is one of those incidents where, if the ref had played any football himself to a half decent level, he would not have made that decision.
Unfortunately for Gabby, his hanging around so long after the farcical decision was made may well go against the inevitable appeal.
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Hopefully Gabby's red card won't get rescinded. I think we'll play much better in the next 3 games without him as displayed in the 25 minutes he wasn't on for.
Spot on - he's a waste of a shirt . He hides .
Fuck off. And I make no apology for the language. You want a Villa player to serve a ban for no reason?
I repeat, fuck off.
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Hopefully Gabby's red card won't get rescinded. I think we'll play much better in the next 3 games without him as displayed in the 25 minutes he wasn't on for.
Spot on - he's a waste of a shirt . He hides .
Fuck off. And I make no apology for the language. You want a Villa player to serve a ban for no reason?
I repeat, fuck off.
I can't tell who is doing the over the top aggressive swearing because of the horrendous quote fail, but whoever it is, calm down, please.
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Hopefully Gabby's red card won't get rescinded. I think we'll play much better in the next 3 games without him as displayed in the 25 minutes he wasn't on for.
Spot on - he's a waste of a shirt . He hides .
Fuck off. And I make no apology for the language. You want a Villa player to serve a ban for no reason?
I repeat, fuck off.
Wanting one of your own players to be banned beggars belief. That is true dedication.
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MOTD - what the fuck is LGV's hairstyle?
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Hopefully Gabby's red card won't get rescinded. I think we'll play much better in the next 3 games without him as displayed in the 25 minutes he wasn't on for.
Spot on - he's a waste of a shirt . He hides .
Fuck off. And I make no apology for the language. You want a Villa player to serve a ban for no reason?
I repeat, fuck off.
Wanting one of your own players to be banned beggars belief. That is true dedication.
Yes. It is crossing a line which should never be crossed.
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Hopefully Gabby's red card won't get rescinded. I think we'll play much better in the next 3 games without him as displayed in the 25 minutes he wasn't on for.
Spot on - he's a waste of a shirt . He hides .
Fuck off. And I make no apology for the language. You want a Villa player to serve a ban for no reason?
I repeat, fuck off.
I can't tell who is doing the over the top aggressive swearing because of the horrendous quote fail, but whoever it is, calm down, please.
I was swearing. And Im not apologising. Wanting a Villa player banned is just not on. I'm not having that shit for one second.
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Hmmm, the coverage on MotD must be wrong as it wasn't just showing Falcao and Manure all match.
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Hopefully Gabby's red card won't get rescinded. I think we'll play much better in the next 3 games without him as displayed in the 25 minutes he wasn't on for.
Spot on - he's a waste of a shirt . He hides .
Fuck off. And I make no apology for the language. You want a Villa player to serve a ban for no reason?
I repeat, fuck off.
Wanting one of your own players to be banned beggars belief. That is true dedication.
Yes. It is crossing a line which should never be crossed.
Well I for want Villa relegated over successive seasons until we are thrown out of the Football League and are wound up like Hereford United because then Lerner will have to sell up and Lambert will definitely be sacked.
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I want to take back what I said about bacuna earlier in the thread. Christian should've been on the six yard line for that cross which was good.
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Young is a snidey little c***. He hit the deck like he'd been shot, the cheat and on the back of him being a coward, going in with two feet and turning his back because he was afraid of getting hurt.
He pretended he had been hit in the face later on too.
Utter c***.
Pretty much what I thought I saw live - jumping in two-footed, sort of sideways. I immediately assumed he was going to get a red. Couldn't believe it when Mason showed it to Gabby.
It has got to be rescinded, surely!
This is one of those incidents where, if the ref had played any football himself to a half decent level, he would not have made that decision.
Unfortunately for Gabby, his hanging around so long after the farcical decision was made may well go against the inevitable appeal.
Not sweating on that one, clearly will be rescinded.
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Hopefully Gabby's red card won't get rescinded. I think we'll play much better in the next 3 games without him as displayed in the 25 minutes he wasn't on for.
Spot on - he's a waste of a shirt . He hides .
Fuck off. And I make no apology for the language. You want a Villa player to serve a ban for no reason?
I repeat, fuck off.
Wanting one of your own players to be banned That is true dedication.
Some of us think we'll play better without him is hardly beggars belief. Did we miss him going forward for 25 mins today with 10 men? Next game we'll have 11 hopefully without him and it'll be something different. People can have their 'own opinion' on Gabby which is their entitlement, I just think he doesn't do much. As for wanting him banned, as it stands he already is until further notice.
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He isn't banned at all. He received a red card and would wait the PL to decide whether to uphold the card and the ban that would come with it. So basically by saying you don't want the card rescinded you are saying you want the decision upheld and the automatic 3 game ban to take effect. So in essence you want him banned which as others have pointed out is complete bollocks to want that on one of your own players.
And do you seriously believe that we played well for the last 25 min because Gabby wasn't playing? Because that's a little bit thick on your part if you do.
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Watching the game again right now. We didn't have knock it around well at times. Lovely to see
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Fair play to Beaker who said Gabby should not have been sent off.
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MOTD - what the fuck is LGV's hairstyle?
The David Lynch
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I want to take back what I said about bacuna earlier in the thread. Christian should've been on the six yard line for that cross which was good.
I felt this too. In that position the first ball you should always be thinking to play is across the six yard area. Zogbia was in the strikers position, Benteke was coming in from out wide. It should have been the other way round. It was a good ball in too.
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Anyone else notice today that when it was 1-1 (just after the sending off i think) the score on the big screen said we were 2-1 up and the scoreboard had us as 2-1 down?
Hacked by a North Korean betting syndicate I reckon.
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Find Van Gaal's comments pretty disrespectful to us too...
...saying Utd gave away 2 points with no reference to the influence of the sending off or the fact that there was another team on the pitch.
Twaat!
The whole build-up today was about Manure giving someone (us) a good seeing-to and controlling a game
It was all "poor Villa" this and "up against it" that followed by a total lack of credit for us not caving in under their multi-million ££££ onslaught
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He isn't banned at all. He received a red card and would wait the PL to decide whether to uphold the card and the ban that would come with it. So basically by saying you don't want the card rescinded you are saying you want the decision upheld and the automatic 3 game ban to take effect. So in essence you want him banned which as others have pointed out is complete bollocks to want that on one of your own players.
And do you seriously believe that we played well for the last 25 min because Gabby wasn't playing? Because that's a little bit thick on your part if you do.
We did play better after he went off, we worked harder. Keep your snide insults to yourself I know you rate Gabby highly already, good for you.
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Find Van Gaal's comments pretty disrespectful to us too...
...saying Utd gave away 2 points with no reference to the influence of the sending off or the fact that there was another team on the pitch.
Twaat!
The whole build-up today was about Manure giving someone (us) a good seeing-to and controlling a game
It was all "poor Villa" this and "up against it" that followed by a total lack of credit for us not caving in under their multi-million ££££ onslaught
Even despite them having another very fortuitous decision, their luck ran out. They'd won 6 on the spin but with a massive slice of fortune involved and a lot of daylight robbery. Not so today. They didn't deserve 3 points. The draw was probably fair on balance of play, though the shitty ref helping them, I think we deserved all three.
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MOTD - what the fuck is LGV's hairstyle?
The David Lynch
I understand it's an early prototype Swiss Tony!
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He isn't banned at all. He received a red card and would wait the PL to decide whether to uphold the card and the ban that would come with it. So basically by saying you don't want the card rescinded you are saying you want the decision upheld and the automatic 3 game ban to take effect. So in essence you want him banned which as others have pointed out is complete bollocks to want that on one of your own players.
And do you seriously believe that we played well for the last 25 min because Gabby wasn't playing? Because that's a little bit thick on your part if you do.
We did play better after he went off, we worked harder. Keep your snide insults to yourself I know you rate Gabby highly already, good for you.
You've missed the point entirely. Do you believe Gabby going off had a direct correlation on the team playing the way they did? That is they played worse when he was on and better without him, with 10 men?
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I didn't see the game live, just saw the highlights on MOTD, and to be honest, Man United created next to nothing. On the basis of what they showed, at least, we created more.
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United are weak at the back, so we played with a flat back 5, surrendered midfield and let them attack us which they did at will but not very successfully. I think we should have had an extra player in midfield and with one of the best strikers in the League should have tried to exploit them at the back.
There were performances out there today that tell you that we do not need to be as timid but that is a reflection on the manager.
Once Gabby was sent off we did very well to win the point.
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Have to laugh at Lamberts post-match line that he trots out anytime he wants to make sure people realise he's doing a good job. "Everybody knows the way the club is at the minute" - not saying there isn't any truth in it but it does jarr how it seems we're the only club ever to have a transitional period that never ends and that it be used to explain away bad results (not that today's was, so there was no need to say it) at will.
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Yeah, it does get old. I mean for all the stuff going on behind the scenes Lambert has consistently been given a pretty decent transfer budget every season by Lerner. I do think Lambert runs out of things to say to the press.
Still fair play to him today, good job with the team and thats all that counts.
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United are weak at the back, so we played with a flat back 5, surrendered midfield and let them attack us which they did at will but not very successfully. I think we should have had an extra player in midfield and with one of the best strikers in the League should have tried to exploit them at the back.
There were performances out there today that tell you that we do not need to be as timid but that is a reflection on the manager.
Once Gabby was sent off we did very well to win the point.
Can I suggest you are chatting a load of shit re your first comment
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Have to laugh at Lamberts post-match line that he trots out anytime he wants to make sure people realise he's doing a good job. "Everybody knows the way the club is at the minute" - not saying there isn't any truth in it but it does jarr how it seems we're the only club ever to have a transitional period that never ends and that it be used to explain away bad results (not that today's was, so there was no need to say it) at will.
Was the result crap today and the performance?
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Watching motd now we are an shit
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United are weak at the back, so we played with a flat back 5, surrendered midfield and let them attack us which they did at will but not very successfully. I think we should have had an extra player in midfield and with one of the best strikers in the League should have tried to exploit them at the back.
There were performances out there today that tell you that we do not need to be as timid but that is a reflection on the manager.
Once Gabby was sent off we did very well to win the point.
Could not disagree more.
Normally i would not play with 3 CB in order not to let the opponents push, but yesterday, with the midfield decimated and with United that played Falcao, Rooney, Van Persie, Di Maria, Mata, etc., I was convinced that the back 5 were the best option, and I think that for one time Lambert proved to be sharp.
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but yesterday, with the midfield decimated and with United that played Falcao, Rooney, Van Persie, Di Maria, Mata, etc., I was convinced that the back 5 were the best option, and I think that for one time Lambert proved to be sharp.
Worth bolding that bit. And with 10 men we still didnt get hammered.
Well played all around.
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LVG says not beating us is costly to their (non existent) 'title hopes.' In his parallel universe they were the better side and should have won.
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LVG says not beating us is costly to their (non existent) 'title hopes.' In his parallel universe they were the better side and should have won.
He can fuck right off and take the "Red Devil" sycophantic press with him. It will take more than substituting a goalkeeper before a penalty shootout to convince me the man is any kind of tactical genius. He and Roy Hodgson can compete for the "shittiest manager who looks like an owl" contest, thats a title he might win unlike the premier league.
That felt better :)
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People enjoy moaning.
Bottom half of the table. Lambert still in his job. No doubt next month Blackpool will knock us out the cup making it 58 years since we last won The Cup. To top it all I have had to give away all my hard earned money to big business to buy things to give to people in return for things from them that I don't want or need and consume food and drink not of my choice that will leave me feeling tired and bloated and ill in the company of people I don't particularly like before being forced to do masses of washing up then collapsing in front of the box to watch shit television programmes. Happy fucking Christmas everybody.
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LVG says not beating us is costly to their (non existent) 'title hopes.' In his parallel universe they were the better side and should have won.
He can fuck right off and take the "Red Devil" sycophantic press with him. It will take more than substituting a goalkeeper before a penalty shootout to convince me the man is any kind of tactical genius. He and Roy Hodgson can compete for the "shittiest manager who looks like an owl" contest, thats a title he might win unlike the premier league.
That felt better :)
I'm more worried about what letting in the equaliser has done to our title hopes.
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Andy I sympathise but all of that is self inflicted. Don't over eat, don't drink too much, stay out of the company of people you don't like, buy and expect fewer presents, turn off the television and go for a walk or listen to the wireless. Christmas has become a horrible, tinsel sprinkled swamp from November to January. Stay on the dry land of normality and walk around it.
I digress, I simply wanted to state what an arrogant arsehole LVG is. His opinions about his employers are on a par with his judgement about his appearance. He looks like a twat. He is a twat.
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People enjoy moaning.
Bottom half of the table. Lambert still in his job. No doubt next month Blackpool will knock us out the cup making it 58 years since we last won The Cup. To top it all I have had to give away all my hard earned money to big business to buy things to give to people in return for things from them that I don't want or need and consume food and drink not of my choice that will leave me feeling tired and bloated and ill in the company of people I don't particularly like before being forced to do masses of washing up then collapsing in front of the box to watch shit television programmes. Happy fucking Christmas everybody.
I'll start bloody moaning if we lose to Blackpool.
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It's a shame Hutton didn't play. His extra pace and aggression would've nullified Youngs threat. Hutton would've scared the little shit!
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Best point of the season for me
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People enjoy moaning.
Bottom half of the table. Lambert still in his job. No doubt next month Blackpool will knock us out the cup making it 58 years since we last won The Cup. To top it all I have had to give away all my hard earned money to big business to buy things to give to people in return for things from them that I don't want or need and consume food and drink not of my choice that will leave me feeling tired and bloated and ill in the company of people I don't particularly like before being forced to do masses of washing up then collapsing in front of the box to watch shit television programmes. Happy fucking Christmas everybody.
I'll start bloody moaning if we lose to Blackpool.
At the dire risk of tempting fate, even with our recent record in the Cups there is no way we will lose to a team as awful as Blackpool, especially as they'll probably field a 'weakened' (if that's possible) side.
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LVG says not beating us is costly to their (non existent) 'title hopes.' In his parallel universe they were the better side and should have won.
In his universe that hairstyle is all a rage!
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People enjoy moaning.
Bottom half of the table. Lambert still in his job. No doubt next month Blackpool will knock us out the cup making it 58 years since we last won The Cup. To top it all I have had to give away all my hard earned money to big business to buy things to give to people in return for things from them that I don't want or need and consume food and drink not of my choice that will leave me feeling tired and bloated and ill in the company of people I don't particularly like before being forced to do masses of washing up then collapsing in front of the box to watch shit television programmes. Happy fucking Christmas everybody.
I'll start bloody moaning if we lose to Blackpool.
At the dire risk of tempting fate, even with our recent record in the Cups there is no way we will lose to a team as awful as Blackpool, especially as they'll probably field a 'weakened' (if that's possible) side.
We probably said that about Sheff United... Orient.... Millwall......Bradford..... They have the Fonz up front. I'm not counting any chickens.
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People enjoy moaning.
Bottom half of the table. Lambert still in his job. No doubt next month Blackpool will knock us out the cup making it 58 years since we last won The Cup. To top it all I have had to give away all my hard earned money to big business to buy things to give to people in return for things from them that I don't want or need and consume food and drink not of my choice that will leave me feeling tired and bloated and ill in the company of people I don't particularly like before being forced to do masses of washing up then collapsing in front of the box to watch shit television programmes. Happy fucking Christmas everybody.
I'll start bloody moaning if we lose to Blackpool.
At the dire risk of tempting fate, even with our recent record in the Cups there is no way we will lose to a team as awful as Blackpool, especially as they'll probably field a 'weakened' (if that's possible) side.
I wish you hadn't said all that
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Them having the Fonz up front doesn't fill me with fear.
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Just watched MOTD. As great as Benteke is, he needs to stop whinging and berating team mates when something doesn't go how he wants it. Bacuna put in a great cross which he should've been flying in for, but he wasn't. He'll alienate himself because he's done it a lot more than just the once.
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MOTD - what the fuck is LGV's hairstyle?
He's a cross between Beavis and Butthead.
Great manager, fugly as hell.
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MOTD - what the fuck is LGV's hairstyle?
He's a cross between Beavis and Butthead
On Radio 5's Saturday morning show they commented on the fact that certain Managers begin to turn into well heeled older women and have hairstyles compatible with that process. Examples given were Roy Hodgeson, Neil Warnock ( what happened to his eyebrows btw), and LVG. I think it is something my Nan used to call having a 'Demi-wave' perm.
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Just switched sky news on and the sport came on - just showed Falcao's goal. Fuckers
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I enjoyed the game I love it when they throw the urinal bell ends out the holte
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I enjoyed the game I love it when they throw the urinal bell ends out the holte
Why do they sit in the Holte? Is it so they can sit on their hands for 90 mins, then log on to Red Cafe and tell the rest of the divs on there how they "took the piss"?
There were a couple by my gf in the lower Holte yesterday apparently. She told them fair play for not taking the piss during the game - I would have grassed the pair of them up because I'm a moody little snitch.
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There were a couple dotted about the lower north but all were behaving. Watching them have to stand and applaud the Beasts goal was priceless.
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I thought Lambert had his tactics spot on yesterday, not sure if it was because of who the opposition were or because of the quality of players available due to suspensions etc.
The beast is world class and he bullied Evans, Delph was full of energy and Vlaar mopped up anything that Okore and Clark missed. It was nice to see reds in the Holte end being ejected, but overall I thought it was a very good performance and we could have nicked it at the end with a couple of chances.
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A very good point and a decent performance as well. Sanchez is going to be a top player for us, was really impressed with him again. Picking up both him and Okore for £8m is very good going.
Tactically, Lambert for once got it more or less spot on. Playing Weimann deep was a great idea because it seemed to stop Rooney playing his normal game so credit where it's due. I haven't got too much of a problem with what LVG said. They've just won 6 on the trot and they have a great record at VP and let's face it, a lot of us probably thought we were going to lose before the game.
As for wanting one of your players to be suspended, well that was one of the more stupid comments i've read on here.
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Have to laugh at Lamberts post-match line that he trots out anytime he wants to make sure people realise he's doing a good job. "Everybody knows the way the club is at the minute" - not saying there isn't any truth in it but it does jarr how it seems we're the only club ever to have a transitional period that never ends and that it be used to explain away bad results (not that today's was, so there was no need to say it) at will.
Was the result crap today and the performance?
No so why the need for him to bring-up his line on hardship again?
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Good point, and I actually left Villa Park yesterday feeling happy with the performance, which doesn't happen often enough.
Hopefully Gabby's red will be rescinded. Pathetic decision from the ref.
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Some much needed confidence should come from that draw, we do have the basis of a reasonable side and thou I have wanted Lambert gone, I will gladly eat humble if he gets it right, because that at the end of the day would mean the Villa doing ok, that's all I want.
Plus the fact due to some family problems illness, instead of Dubai for 4 days for Christmas, I am coming back to Brum for a week, so will see live for the first time since Spurs birthday party, my mighty Aston Villa.
Anyone got a spare for Swansea please pm me.. Up the Villa and a Merry Christmas to all us Villians.
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People enjoy moaning.
Bottom half of the table. Lambert still in his job. No doubt next month Blackpool will knock us out the cup making it 58 years since we last won The Cup. To top it all I have had to give away all my hard earned money to big business to buy things to give to people in return for things from them that I don't want or need and consume food and drink not of my choice that will leave me feeling tired and bloated and ill in the company of people I don't particularly like before being forced to do masses of washing up then collapsing in front of the box to watch shit television programmes. Happy fucking Christmas everybody.
Like fu**in' poetry that is Andy, fu**in' poetry mate!
And everybody knows, poetry's fu**in' shit as well!
alwayslookonthebrightside.com
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I enjoyed the game I love it when they throw the urinal bell ends out the holte
Why do they sit in the Holte? Is it so they can sit on their hands for 90 mins, then log on to Red Cafe and tell the rest of the divs on there how they "took the piss"?
There were a couple by my gf in the lower Holte yesterday apparently. She told them fair play for not taking the piss during the game - I would have grassed the pair of them up because I'm a moody little snitch.
There were 4 in front of us in the Upper Holte - the bloke beside me pointed them out 5 minutes before we scored - when Benteke scored The Goal Of The Season there was an unfortunate "tumbling" forwards resulting in them losing their balance in the excitement and being informed that we knew of their origins (Essex from the accents) - they fucked-off at 40 minutes and didn't come back. There were obvious Reds outside asking for tickets and being told what they could do with their money.
I know it is immature but to this day I hate them coming in with us - at the back of the Holte is just suicide...
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Very good performance. We are starting to look like a team, long may it continue.
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I told a few that they could go through the turnstile for a smoke at half time in the Upper Holte.
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I digress, I simply wanted to state what an arrogant arsehole LVG is. His opinions about his employers are on a par with his judgement about his appearance. He looks like a twat. He is a twat.
Brilliant
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Andy I sympathise but all of that is self inflicted. Don't over eat, don't drink too much, stay out of the company of people you don't like, buy and expect fewer presents, turn off the television and go for a walk or listen to the wireless. Christmas has become a horrible, tinsel sprinkled swamp from November to January. Stay on the dry land of normality and walk around it.
I digress, I simply wanted to state what an arrogant arsehole LVG is. His opinions about his employers are on a par with his judgement about his appearance. He looks like a twat. He is a twat.
Too right Brian. If it looks like a twat and sounds like a twat, it most probably is a twat.
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Didn't appreciate the full page dedicated to Eric Cantona's acting career in the programme.
It smacks of knowing the ground will be full of day trippers and pandering to the wankers.
It was sycophantic shit .
"You will probably hear the visiting fans offer a festive tribute to Manchester United legend at some stage this afternoon.Four Cantonas..."
Who the hell thinks Villa fans want to read this crap.
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Got into an extreme state of refreshment last light celebrating not the draw but the manner of the draw. I thought we played exceptionally well considering the state of the squad and the players missing. Up in P8 we had a fantastic view of Tekkers wonder goal and it was nice to see the stewards fuck off some prick from the Urinal side who was giving it large with the verbals. Re the Gabby challenge it looked to us like the bad one was committed by Young and I couldn't believe he sent off Gabby. That being said though for the 25 minutes he was off we did not look worse for his going. My old man has had a downer on Gabby for a few years now. He says (with some justification) that a striker who score a maximum of six goals a season isn't worth his place. He also says it's like playing with 10 men when he's on the pitch. Yesterday confirmed that for me because we WERE playing with 10 men and we looked a better team. Sorry Gabby but you aint doing it kid!
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Didn't appreciate the full page dedicated to Eric Cantona's acting career in the programme.
It smacks of knowing the ground will be full of day trippers and pandering to the wankers.
It was sycophantic shit .
"You will probably hear the visiting fans offer a festive tribute to Manchester United legend at some stage this afternoon.Four Cantonas..."
Who the hell thinks Villa fans want to read this crap.
You've got to write something about them and that's more interesting than the founded in...won...relegated...famous players...last season...generic shite you get everywhere else.
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Didn't appreciate the full page dedicated to Eric Cantona's acting career in the programme.
It smacks of knowing the ground will be full of day trippers and pandering to the wankers.
It was sycophantic shit .
"You will probably hear the visiting fans offer a festive tribute to Manchester United legend at some stage this afternoon.Four Cantonas..."
Who the hell thinks Villa fans want to read this crap.
You've got to write something about them and that's more interesting than the founded in...won...relegated...famous players...last season...generic shite you get everywhere else.
Agreed. Our programme has always been a bit different when it comes to writing stuff about the opposition team. It's probably one of the reasons it's picked up so many awards over the decades.
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How did MOTD see Agbonlahor's sending off last night, did they mention how harsh it was? When the media gets behind these type of things you often find the FA rescind them.
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With regards to the red card (which it wasn't) when a striker gets sent off, at least you don't have to reshuffle the defence or midfield, which is maybe why he wasn't missed as much as he should have been. I thought him and Benteke were so much better than they were last week.
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How did MOTD see Agbonlahor's sending off last night, did they mention how harsh it was? When the media gets behind these type of things you often find the FA rescind them.
The panel of Phil Neville and Alan Shearer both thought it was very harsh.
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I told a few that they could go through the turnstile for a smoke at half time in the Upper Holte.
<snigger>
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I didn't see the game live, just saw the highlights on MOTD, and to be honest, Man United created next to nothing. On the basis of what they showed, at least, we created more.
Oh I had visions of you putting on your Bejing Red United shirt and spending the last 10 minutes having a near heart attack everytime United entered our book on account of your Villa winning at half time, losing at full time betting syndicate and a one way ticket to the Bahamas! ;)
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I feel bad about feeling good about a draw against them.
:)
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How did MOTD see Agbonlahor's sending off last night, did they mention how harsh it was? When the media gets behind these type of things you often find the FA rescind them.
Watched it this morning and they all agreed it was wrong and should be rescinded.
Really enjoyed yesterday, we are starting to look the part and showing more confidence, to take the game to them after the sending off rather than go into our shell was particularly impressive.
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Goals on Sunday say that Mason will contact the PL to ask for the red card to be rescinded.
The general opinion seems to be that, if anything, Young should have got a yellow
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Teams often play better with 10 men for half an hour, it's when you have to do a whole half+ that it gets more difficult.
I thought the atmosphere really took off with that injustice and the crowd really lifted the team. Strangely, I not only thought the sending off didn't stop us getting all 3 points, I thought it probably saved the one. When Man U equalised we would have usually become a quiet nervy crowd, waiting for their inevitable winner - and we would have taken the team with us. Instead - we all went for it!
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Teams often play better with 10 men for half an hour, it's when you have to do a whole half+ that it gets more difficult.
I thought the atmosphere really took off with that injustice and the crowd really lifted the team. Strangely, I not only thought the sending off didn't stop us getting all 3 points, I thought it probably saved the one. When Man U equalised we would have usually become a quiet nervy crowd, waiting for their inevitable winner - and we would have taken the team with us. Instead - we all went for it!
agree with this, righteous indignation really did make us up our game for half an hour.
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Well done to the team yesterday and to the home crowd who sounded in great voice on the TV. Would have loved one of our chances to have gone in to make it 2 but a draw against these chumps is a definite step in the right direction, especially given that we played pretty well for large parts of the game and easily nullified their expensive attacking threat. I'd still like to see more of Grealish but I'm sure that will come.
5 points better off than last season against the same teams and hopefully some confidence going into the Swansea game. This is followed by home games against Sunderland, Palace, Blackpool the Leicester away so we need to be looking up the table!
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Goals on Sunday say that Mason will contact the PL to ask for the red card to be rescinded.
Yes and what's the ***ts plan for giving us 2 additional points?
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Goals on Sunday say that Mason will contact the PL to ask for the red card to be rescinded.
Yes and what's the ***ts plan for giving us 2 additional points?
I see your point but it was 1-1 when he went. I think we would have had less chance of hanging on had we stayed at 11, without the channelling of righteous indignation.
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Didn't appreciate the full page dedicated to Eric Cantona's acting career in the programme.
It smacks of knowing the ground will be full of day trippers and pandering to the wankers.
It was sycophantic shit .
"You will probably hear the visiting fans offer a festive tribute to Manchester United legend at some stage this afternoon.Four Cantonas..."
Who the hell thinks Villa fans want to read this crap.
There's an item about some artistic connection to the away team in every issue, it wasn't rolling out the red carpet for Man Ure.
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I'm happy with the point but not with Gabby getting sent off it was never a red card.
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I didn't see the game live, just saw the highlights on MOTD, and to be honest, Man United created next to nothing. On the basis of what they showed, at least, we created more.
Oh I had visions of you putting on your Bejing Red United shirt and spending the last 10 minutes having a near heart attack everytime United entered our book on account of your Villa winning at half time, losing at full time betting syndicate and a one way ticket to the Bahamas! ;)
Ha!
No, it did create a nice "can't lose whatever happens" feeling, though!
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I'm happy with the point but not with Gabby getting sent off it was never a red card.
It will be rescinded and we may get a little extra leniency in the next game ? You never know
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Great photos PWS. Wonderful Aston sky.
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Lambert needs more credit for adjusting the formation when we went down to ten. We were under the cosh but after switching we had the better Chances
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Needs to be quoted for a new page. Lovely.
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I feel bad about feeling good about a draw against them.
Compared to how pissed off I am after losing to them, last night certainly felt rather strange. No celebrating as they're hardly the team they were a few years back. Granted their fans are still the biggest twats around but not doing the usual last 5 minute collapse, actually looking the more likely to steal the 3 points, breaking their winning streak, seeing the delight on the faces of their players at full time as the ref only allowed 3 additional minutes, knowing that as clubs we're heading in opposite directions certainly gave me a warm glow.
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I feel bad about feeling good about a draw against them.
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Dont. Any team including the top 3 would be celebrating if they had been reduced to ten men against an expensive side like that and still got a point.
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Lambert needs more credit for adjusting the formation when we went down to ten. We were under the cosh but after switching we had the better Chances
He does occasionally get the tactics right.
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From a Man Utd forum
"El Zoido said: ↑
I'm in the minority but I thought the ref got the red card right. Agbonlahor basically went in as hard as possible. Personally I can't see any justification for ever going in that hard on a ball you don't control. It's dangerous, this is how Ramsay broke his leg. Agbonlahor would have probably won the tackle had he not spent that split second winding up to leather it as hard as he possibly could and nearly snapped Young in half in the process. It's excessive and unnecessary force.
josak said:
Completely agree. He went in with the intention of hurting Young, winning the ball would have been a bonus".
I don't know what it is but there's something about their fans that I just can't warm to.
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At least the guy thought he was in the minority. Most of their supporters don't know anything about football, a lot will have never seen a game live and some would struggle to think of a handful of their players' names but still call themselves fans.
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I don't know what it is but there's something about their fans that I just can't warm to.
I know what it is.
They are all - to a man - absolute ******.
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From a Man Utd forum
They can read?
I underestimated them.
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I fucking love that one angle of the Benteke goal the Beeb have shown where you can see Guzan's face and reaction.
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Is LGV auditioning for the part of North Korean leader?
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The more I watch the sending off incident the more it looks to me as if Young went in with both feet off the ground and at least one set of studs showing. From what I recall the laws say that's a red card offence, regardless of whether the ball is won or not.
We're starting to get a decent core and spine to the squad with some decent players in Benteke, Delph, Sanchez, Vlaar, Okore and Guzan, as well as the resurgent Hutton. Problems are that too many of the rest are average at best, and at least two, maybe three of the aforementioned are likely to be off in the not too distant future. Shame.
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Is LGV auditioning for the part of North Korean leader?
He'll soon have his hackers trying to block Match of the Day and Sky Sports. I love the fact he's their manager. Long may they continue to fuck up. Half their fans will soon move on to another team, the rest will either give up or start following a rugby team.
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The more I watch the sending off incident the more it looks to me as if Young went in with both feet off the ground and at least one set of studs showing. From what I recall the laws say that's a red card offence, regardless of whether the ball is won or not.
He did.
Agbonlahor basically got sent off for having had a player go in two-footed against him. Absurd.
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Young went down like a sack of spuds because he thought he was going to be sent off.
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The more I watch the sending off incident the more it looks to me as if Young went in with both feet off the ground and at least one set of studs showing. From what I recall the laws say that's a red card offence, regardless of whether the ball is won or not.
He did.
Agbonlahor basically got sent off for having had a player go in two-footed against him. Absurd.
i said that instantly, but you have to remember who was playing for who.
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The ref would have been reminded in his earpiece that Yanited weren't winning and this would potentially damage LVG's title push. Get Agbonglahor off would have been the message.
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The more I watch the sending off incident the more it looks to me as if Young went in with both feet off the ground and at least one set of studs showing. From what I recall the laws say that's a red card offence, regardless of whether the ball is won or not.
He did.
Agbonlahor basically got sent off for having had a player go in two-footed against him. Absurd.
i said that instantly, but you have to remember who was playing for who.
Young should have been sent off. Gabby went with a side foot whereas Young was off the ground with studs showing.
Mason is from Bolton which isn't very far from Manchester when you think about it.
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At least LVG came out and said it was a fair tackle. Imagine if Wrigleys bulbus nosed twat was still in charge what would have been said. LVG is refreshingly honest and I also like the way he used Citeh as an example of ruthlessness to doubly piss them all off.
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Even his own team mates say Ashley Young's best quality is diving (http://metro.co.uk/2014/12/20/manchester-uniteds-darren-fletcher-asked-what-ashley-youngs-best-move-is-trolls-him-by-saying-diving-4994670/).
Even the Man Utd arse licking commentators over here couldn't believe it was a red.
Commentator no.1 "The only way that adds up to a red card is if you give them both yellows for a reckless challenge."
Commentator no. 2 "It's Young that's got studs raised, there's only one player that should get a card of any colour there."
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The truth is there should have been feck all done to either of them and just get on with the game. Imagine how many times a season Stuart Pearce would be suspended nowadays.
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The truth is there should have been feck all done to either of them and just get on with the game. Imagine how many times a season Stuart Pearce would be suspended nowadays.
Yep. I might be tempted to say that a free kick could've possibly, just about, been awarded, but which way? Fecked if I know!
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The thing is the ref went by the reaction of Young and if he's going to send people off without properly seeing the incident then he shouldn't be refereeing at all.
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The more I watch the sending off incident the more it looks to me as if Young went in with both feet off the ground and at least one set of studs showing. From what I recall the laws say that's a red card offence, regardless of whether the ball is won or not.
That's what I thought in real time and why my first reaction was to yell out "he's got to go for that" ("he" being Ashley)
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That was a good Villa display. All of them put in some great effort with Okore correctly our MOM. If Hutton had of been playing we'd have won it as Young wouldn't have withstood the punishment. As it was he had the easiest of games against Lowton who is technically gifted but is a very slow defender, that's what cost us.
On a separate issue it has to be said that a lot of their support consists of complete twats. There appeared to be a few scattered around the lower Holte showing no respect and then left wondering why people would take exception to their disrespect.
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One thing I noticed about that red card was how quick he got his card out. As soon as I looked at the ref, he was running over desperately trying to get it out of his pocket. Not to mention the three Man Utd players who surrounded him almost instantly. He couldn't wait to make a big decision.
It was a 50/50 tackle. Maybe a foul, although I don't know who fouled who.
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What day this week will the red be rescinded ?
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I was convinced we were going to lose until the red card, at which point I became much more confident. The team and the crowd suddenly became much more active, rather than just waiting for something bad to happen. This is the problem I have with Lambert: his strategy is so passive, there is never anything to get excited about.
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One thing I noticed about that red card was how quick he got his card out. As soon as I looked at the ref, he was running over desperately trying to get it out of his pocket. Not to mention the three Man Utd players who surrounded him almost instantly. He couldn't wait to make a big decision.
It was a 50/50 tackle. Maybe a foul, although I don't know who fouled who.
Unfortunatley I believe that most top officials run games with pre-concieved ideas regarding certain teams. It may be sub-concious but the constant barrage from the media about the top clubs must have an effect at some point. Add to that the fear factor cultivated by certain managers who are praised for their footballing nous while their bitter, spiteful, unsportsman like approach to officials is ignored.
Who can blame them at times though? As an official what will make bigger headlines and ultimatley affect your career? Mourihno launching an attack on your skills with outlandish claims about costing teams victories and players their careers or a little bleat from the likes of Lambert or Mark Hughes when on the wrong end of a poor decision?
Had the decision been reversed, all the talk would've been about Newton Heath's title challenge being adversely affected but as it's us, who gives a fuck?
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On a separate issue it has to be said that a lot of their support consists of complete twats. There appeared to be a few scattered around the lower Holte showing no respect and then left wondering why people would take exception to their disrespect.
What was being disrespected Bren'd?
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One thing I noticed about that red card was how quick he got his card out. As soon as I looked at the ref, he was running over desperately trying to get it out of his pocket. Not to mention the three Man Utd players who surrounded him almost instantly. He couldn't wait to make a big decision.
It was a 50/50 tackle. Maybe a foul, although I don't know who fouled who.
Unfortunatley I believe that most top officials run games with pre-concieved ideas regarding certain teams. It may be sub-concious but the constant barrage from the media about the top clubs must have an effect at some point. Add to that the fear factor cultivated by certain managers who are praised for their footballing nous while their bitter, spiteful, unsportsman like approach to officials is ignored.
Who can blame them at times though? As an official what will make bigger headlines and ultimatley affect your career? Mourihno launching an attack on your skills with outlandish claims about costing teams victories and players their careers or a little bleat from the likes of Lambert or Mark Hughes when on the wrong end of a poor decision?
Had the decision been reversed, all the talk would've been about Newton Heath's title challenge being adversely affected but as it's us, who gives a fuck?
When the CEO of the body that ultimately pays your wages talks about the need for a club to be successful in order to boost said body's revenue streams, how in God's name can you not be even subconsciously influenced to favour them?
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I'd love for the officials to actually utilise the players in order to make their decisions.
Had the ref asked Ashley Young, "Do you think Gabby should be sent off for that tackle?" in this case I genuinely believe that he'd have said no.
However had Ashley Young said yes, the refs response should be "Ok, Fine. However IF when I watch the replay back and I see that you've cheated me here, you will get double the ban Gabby does. Still happy with the sending off?"
The same should go for penalty claims, dives etc etc
This sort of approach I believe, would help the game improve.
The rules are clear, known and accepted by the players but the system at the moment rests all the responsibility on the officials to catch the players out at breaking the rules. If there was more retrospective punsihment used players would begin to think about their conduct a bit more during those 90 minutes.
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The thing is the ref went by the reaction of Young and if he's going to send people off without properly seeing the incident then he shouldn't be refereeing at all.
This.
Watching MOTD you can see the ref was only seeing it from behind Gabby and no way could he have made any judgement properly. He should have consulted with one of the other officials but obviously hadn't as the red card was being reached for even whilst running across.
Was it Mason who didn't send off Cahill the other week for the "John Terry" challenge? If not I do wonder if that publicity had any bearing as you normally see Refs react to criticism in the papers by being more over reactive to what they deem similar challenges.
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The last couple of years the standard of refereeing has generally been utterly fucking horrendous. I mean refs have always been moaned about. It's an occupational hazard, but in recent times it's been difficult to defend the standard as generally it's poor. Too many shocking decision. Phil Dowd is still one of the top refs in the league and the guy is breathing out his arse after 5 minutes. There seems to be several contentious decisions every week, and something like Gabby's sending was a truly appalling decision.
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The main problem with them today is they are 'celebrities' themselves and like politicians crave attention and power. Years ago you knew about 2-3 referees names and that was because they were considered to be the best - Jack Taylor, Neil Midgeley, Thomas (even though he was a twat). These days they want to be in the limelight. I remember seeing some Christmas show on Sky a few years ago where the referees had a team against Sky commentators in a quiz and also remember thinking wtf is going on?
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The main problem with them today is they are 'celebrities' themselves and like politicians crave attention and power. Years ago you knew about 2-3 referees names and that was because they were considered to be the best - Jack Taylor, Neil Midgeley, Thomas (even though he was a twat). These days they want to be in the limelight. I remember seeing some Christmas show on Sky a few years ago where the referees had a team against Sky commentators in a quiz and also remember thinking wtf is going on?
A contest between 2 teams of individuals who haven't got the foggiest idea that 90% of the population would quite gladly see Manchester x 2, Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal and Spurs disappear to the conference and below?
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I'd love for the officials to actually utilise the players in order to make their decisions.
Had the ref asked Ashley Young, "Do you think Gabby should be sent off for that tackle?" in this case I genuinely believe that he'd have said no.
However had Ashley Young said yes, the refs response should be "Ok, Fine. However IF when I watch the replay back and I see that you've cheated me here, you will get double the ban Gabby does. Still happy with the sending off?"
The same should go for penalty claims, dives etc etc
This sort of approach I believe, would help the game improve.
The rules are clear, known and accepted by the players but the system at the moment rests all the responsibility on the officials to catch the players out at breaking the rules. If there was more retrospective punsihment used players would begin to think about their conduct a bit more during those 90 minutes.
Or we could just let the ref do the reffing and leave players to play. He made a mistake. That's all. It wasnt the first time and it wont be the last.
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The last couple of years the standard of refereeing has generally been utterly fucking horrendous. I mean refs have always been moaned about. It's an occupational hazard, but in recent times it's been difficult to defend the standard as generally it's poor. Too many shocking decision. Phil Dowd is still one of the top refs in the league and the guy is breathing out his arse after 5 minutes. There seems to be several contentious decisions every week, and something like Gabby's sending was a truly appalling decision.
yes referees make mistakes, don't we all. The game is played at break neck speed and they get only one look at it. Sometimes, even after watching incidents scrutinised countless times on tv, its not always possible to decide what the correct decision is and different people make different judgements even then.
what is clear is that they have near on impossible jobs which are made all the much harder by players cheating. If players didn't cheat and were more honest then a referees job would be much easier. We should be condemning the cheating players more than the refs.
There was next to no contact on Saturday. If Young hadn't stayed down writhing in agony, would the decision been different - probably.
Time to start punishing the cheaters rather than castigating the refs.
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Refs have resources available to them if they are not 100% sure of a decision or even if they need to make a critical call. Too often they don't use them as was the case during the weekend. Lee Mason could easily have consulted his assistant or the 4th official but failed to do either. It was poor refereeing at PL level.
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You take the rough with the smooth, the big teams do get all the decisions though and have done for years. I was sat just in front of young when he swung the cross In for the goal, him and lowton end up in a heap together. I saw falcao head it in then turned to look at lowton who was busy giving young a boot (totally un spotted), I think young had given him a dig first mind you.
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I'd love for the officials to actually utilise the players in order to make their decisions.
Had the ref asked Ashley Young, "Do you think Gabby should be sent off for that tackle?" in this case I genuinely believe that he'd have said no.
However had Ashley Young said yes, the refs response should be "Ok, Fine. However IF when I watch the replay back and I see that you've cheated me here, you will get double the ban Gabby does. Still happy with the sending off?"
The same should go for penalty claims, dives etc etc
This sort of approach I believe, would help the game improve.
What do you actually smoke Smoke?
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What day this week will the red be rescinded ?
Usually on Getridreday!
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I'd love for the officials to actually utilise the players in order to make their decisions.
Had the ref asked Ashley Young, "Do you think Gabby should be sent off for that tackle?" in this case I genuinely believe that he'd have said no.
However had Ashley Young said yes, the refs response should be "Ok, Fine. However IF when I watch the replay back and I see that you've cheated me here, you will get double the ban Gabby does. Still happy with the sending off?"
The same should go for penalty claims, dives etc etc
This sort of approach I believe, would help the game improve.
The rules are clear, known and accepted by the players but the system at the moment rests all the responsibility on the officials to catch the players out at breaking the rules. If there was more retrospective punishment used players would begin to think about their conduct a bit more during those 90 minutes.
Peace on earth, goodwill to all men!
Let it be so.
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I'd love for the officials to actually utilise the players in order to make their decisions.
Had the ref asked Ashley Young, "Do you think Gabby should be sent off for that tackle?" in this case I genuinely believe that he'd have said no.
However had Ashley Young said yes, the refs response should be "Ok, Fine. However IF when I watch the replay back and I see that you've cheated me here, you will get double the ban Gabby does. Still happy with the sending off?"
The same should go for penalty claims, dives etc etc
This sort of approach I believe, would help the game improve.
The rules are clear, known and accepted by the players but the system at the moment rests all the responsibility on the officials to catch the players out at breaking the rules. If there was more retrospective punsihment used players would begin to think about their conduct a bit more during those 90 minutes.
The first thing I can think of in response to this post is: if any or all of these suggestions were to be implemented then, we'd have a game that would last about five hours.
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I just despise it when players run after the ref, pointing to an opposition player and pleading to have him sent off. Our players have been guilty of this also on occasions.
What does the "offender" think in these situations? After all they all know each other pretty well. Is it a case of "well they are only doing their job and I would do the same if the tables were turned?"
It's crept into the game like holding at corners and nobody has stopped it.
Where's that I Remember When This Was All Fields thread?
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I wonder what Weimann was saying to the ref as Mr Mason approached the incident from afar. Surely he wasn't suggesting that Ash Young should be booked/sent off for the foul he had just committed...was he?
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/premier-league/11307931/Is-celebrating-an-away-goal-among-home-fans-ever-acceptable.html
Interesting this, you'd argue two young kids probably shouldn't expect trouble, but is stupid to go in the home end, even if it is in the family stand.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/premier-league/11307931/Is-celebrating-an-away-goal-among-home-fans-ever-acceptable.html
Interesting this, you'd argue two young kids probably shouldn't expect trouble, but is stupid to go in the home end, even if it is in the family stand.
There's a really good comment in there -" we live in a terrified country. We are meant to be in constant fear of terrorists, hooligans, offending someone, crowds and on and on and on."
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I'd love for the officials to actually utilise the players in order to make their decisions.
Had the ref asked Ashley Young, "Do you think Gabby should be sent off for that tackle?" in this case I genuinely believe that he'd have said no.
However had Ashley Young said yes, the refs response should be "Ok, Fine. However IF when I watch the replay back and I see that you've cheated me here, you will get double the ban Gabby does. Still happy with the sending off?"
The same should go for penalty claims, dives etc etc
This sort of approach I believe, would help the game improve.
The rules are clear, known and accepted by the players but the system at the moment rests all the responsibility on the officials to catch the players out at breaking the rules. If there was more retrospective punsihment used players would begin to think about their conduct a bit more during those 90 minutes.
The first thing I can think of in response to this post is: if any or all of these suggestions were to be implemented then, we'd have a game that would last about five hours.
I can think of 2 "incidents" where the system I mentioned would have been used on Saturday, First for the Gabby sending off and Second time for the Blackett Challenge on Lowton.
And using the method I mentioned probably both 'fouls' would have resulted in no cards, all of the players just manning up and getting on with it. Its Football.
Hardly would have caused the game to last 5 hours, Those 2 incidents in the current situation probably took about 4/5 minutes out of the game anyway.
All I'm saying is at the moment the ref is seen as the enemy to both teams, he's there for them to try and get the better of, trick and manipulate as much as they can. This is totally wrong.
The Ref should be there to help the rules of the game be applied consistently and equally to both sides.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/premier-league/11307931/Is-celebrating-an-away-goal-among-home-fans-ever-acceptable.html
Interesting this, you'd argue two young kids probably shouldn't expect trouble, but is stupid to go in the home end, even if it is in the family stand.
I'm hoping my now nearly three year old lad might start getting interested in football in the coming years. If he was seven years old, and I had decided to go to Old Trafford to watch Villa v Man U, and Villa scored, and he cheered, I'd expect to be chucked out. Mainly, for irresponsibly taking my child to the 'wrong end'. I just wouldn't do it.
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They don't sound inbetween the two.
"I bought tickets in the Family Stand for a Christmas treat for the boys. Their mum is a Villa fan, I'm a United fan and they're inbetween the two.
"We didn't celebrate the Villa goal but when Falcao equalised the two boys jumped up in the air, super excited that Falcao had scored. I gave them a big hug.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/premier-league/11307931/Is-celebrating-an-away-goal-among-home-fans-ever-acceptable.html
Interesting this, you'd argue two young kids probably shouldn't expect trouble, but is stupid to go in the home end, even if it is in the family stand.
I'm hoping my now nearly three year old lad might start getting interested in football in the coming years. If he was seven years old, and I had decided to go to Old Trafford to watch Villa v Man U, and Villa scored, and he cheered, I'd expect to be chucked out. Mainly, for irresponsibly taking my child to the 'wrong end'. I just wouldn't do it.
Why not?
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Because I'd taken my child to a football match and bought tickets in an area marked 'home fans only'
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How terrible. How indescribably evil you must be.
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I am. I'm a really horrible shit like that
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I'm all for chucking Brummie Man U fans out. Glad it's made the press as well, sends the message that they're not welcome.
They're all the grandsons/sons of Blues fans anyway.
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Missed the game
Great point considering ten men and the money those tossers have spent.
Stunning goal by the big man.
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How come football still seems to be the only sport where fans can't sit next to each other without wanting to fight each other?
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How come football still seems to be the only sport where fans can't sit next to each other without wanting to fight each other?
I wouldn't have wanted to fight him. But I'd also be pissed off that I'd bought tickets in a family section marked 'home fans only' and had a family of the opposition sat next to me celebrating. It's not what you paid for.
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How come football still seems to be the only sport where fans can't sit next to each other without wanting to fight each other?
No other sport is quite as tribal as football. It doesn't make it right but it is not comparing like with like.
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How come football still seems to be the only sport where fans can't sit next to each other without wanting to fight each other?
No other sport is quite as tribal as football. It doesn't make it right but it is not comparing like with like.
Not trying to, just sort of wondering out loud about why football has never managed to completely break away from such tribalism despite the gentrification of the game at the higher levels.
Seeing people who you just know would be perfectly lovely and rational human beings in any other setting turn into foul-mouthed idiots when they see someone in a football ground who dares to support the opposition amuses me a lot.
Some of these same people probably go to, say, cricket and will quite happily chat away to a fan of the other side no doubt, and would probably share a drink or two with any opposition fan in a pub watching a game on TV.
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Another factor is probably that as a general rule (granted there are exceptions) sports other than football do not tend to attract such large crowds in this country and in particular do not tend to have away followings.
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How come football still seems to be the only sport where fans can't sit next to each other without wanting to fight each other?
I wouldn't have wanted to fight him. But I'd also be pissed off that I'd bought tickets in a family section marked 'home fans only' and had a family of the opposition sat next to me celebrating. It's not what you paid for.
But what would be so terrible about it?
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Another factor is probably that as a general rule (granted there are exceptions) sports other than football do not tend to attract such large crowds in this country and in particular do not tend to have away followings.
But as you say there are exceptions, and in general fans of those sports can mingle quite happily and even celebrate goals / points / wickets* (delete as applicable) in front of each other without it turning nasty. It's only football fans that don't seem to be able to get along.
I don't see the significance of the large away followings either, in the case which started this debate there were just three Man Utd fans who were singled out, two of them were kids under ten.
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He's only saying what we're all thinking.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30581143 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30581143)
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How come football still seems to be the only sport where fans can't sit next to each other without wanting to fight each other?
I wouldn't have wanted to fight him. But I'd also be pissed off that I'd bought tickets in a family section marked 'home fans only' and had a family of the opposition sat next to me celebrating. It's not what you paid for.
But what would be so terrible about it?
How come football still seems to be the only sport where fans can't sit next to each other without wanting to fight each other?
I wouldn't have wanted to fight him. But I'd also be pissed off that I'd bought tickets in a family section marked 'home fans only' and had a family of the opposition sat next to me celebrating. It's not what you paid for.
But what would be so terrible about it?
It could ruin your experience of the game. And you'd be there next week, unlike the daytrippers.
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How come football still seems to be the only sport where fans can't sit next to each other without wanting to fight each other?
I wouldn't have wanted to fight him. But I'd also be pissed off that I'd bought tickets in a family section marked 'home fans only' and had a family of the opposition sat next to me celebrating. It's not what you paid for.
But what would be so terrible about it?
How come football still seems to be the only sport where fans can't sit next to each other without wanting to fight each other?
I wouldn't have wanted to fight him. But I'd also be pissed off that I'd bought tickets in a family section marked 'home fans only' and had a family of the opposition sat next to me celebrating. It's not what you paid for.
But what would be so terrible about it?
It could ruin your experience of the game. And you'd be there next week, unlike the daytrippers.
How does it ruin it? I can never understand how being in proximity to someone who supports the other team can be such a traumatic experience.
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Subjective, isn't it. It would irritate me, as it would others. I wouldn't be howling for their removal, but then wouldn't miss them either
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I wouldn't miss them, but I can never understand why it is that people get so upset about having other supporters nearby. As I said earlier, the comment about being taught to be terrified is a good one.
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I can see where you are coming from. There should be nothing to fear. I've pointed out I'd be in favour of a small area in the ground where families could all sit together, so long as everyone knew what they were signing up for. Like, a family section you could only buy tickets for children accompanied by an adult, booked by anyone who wants them. Home, away, neutral, whatever. It may be a start to addressing the fear factor, as people would gradually become used to it.
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I can see where you are coming from. There should be nothing to fear. I've pointed out I'd be in favour of a small area in the ground where families could all sit together, so long as everyone knew what they were signing up for. Like, a family section you could only buy tickets for children accompanied by an adult, booked by anyone who wants them. Home, away, neutral, whatever. It may be a start to addressing the fear factor, as people would gradually become used to it.
Wasn't the idea that the family section would be like that? As Sir Graham once said, if we'd spent as much time bringing fans together as separating them none of this nonsense would happen.
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Wasn't the idea that the family section would be like that? As Sir Graham once said, if we'd spent as much time bringing fans together as separating them none of this nonsense would happen.
And he's exactly right.
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I would like to point out that it's not just football. Football is almost certainly the worst example of it but spend a while on youtube and you'll see plenty of videos of rival fans fighting at baseball, American football etc. It's a bit of a bugbear of mine that it's 'only' our football where there are problems when rival fans are near each other.
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I would like to point out that it's not just football. Football is almost certainly the worst example of it but spend a while on youtube and you'll see plenty of videos of rival fans fighting at baseball, American football etc. It's a bit of a bugbear of mine that it's 'only' our football where there are problems when rival fans are near each other.
As far as the UK is concerned I wouldn't be surprised if football generates more trouble than all other sports put together. And that's in spite of the fact that the majority of other sports don't have segregated crowds. To all intents and purposes in this country it is 'only' football.
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Surely there's only 2 other sports of any note crowd wise, rugby and cricket? Don't the cricket matches struggle to hit an average attendance of 5K so I doubt many away fans anyway, and it doesn't have the same emotive moments as a goal for example. As for rugby, there's been plenty of violence over the years despite the much smaller crowds, mainly up north. And especially involving the Hull teams.
As I said football is the worst example, mainly because it has far bigger crowds, but it isn't the only sport where rival fans fight.
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Surely there's only 2 other sports of any note crowd wise, rugby and cricket? Don't the cricket matches struggle to hit an average attendance of 5K so I doubt many away fans anyway, and it doesn't have the same emotive moments as a goal for example. As for rugby, there's been plenty of violence over the years despite the much smaller crowds, mainly up north. And especially involving the Hull teams.
As I said football is the worst example, mainly because it has far bigger crowds, but it isn't the only sport where rival fans fight.
I take your point but I honestly believe that football generates the incidents it does not simply because the crowds are larger but because those crowds generally seem to prefer the games to be played in an atmosphere of animosity and belligerence. I've not experienced that sort of thing at any other sporting event, even in crowds of 80,000+.
I'm not sure I agree about the goal thing though. For me nothing, not even a Villa goal, generates as much excitement as England taking wickets in test matches.
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Surely there's only 2 other sports of any note crowd wise, rugby and cricket? Don't the cricket matches struggle to hit an average attendance of 5K so I doubt many away fans anyway, and it doesn't have the same emotive moments as a goal for example. As for rugby, there's been plenty of violence over the years despite the much smaller crowds, mainly up north. And especially involving the Hull teams.
As I said football is the worst example, mainly because it has far bigger crowds, but it isn't the only sport where rival fans fight.
In rugby all the fighting is conducted on the pitch. While cricket is far too civilised for any of this nonsense.
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Football isn't the only sport where violence kicks off, but I can't think of another where so many otherwise sane and rational spectators are so affected by the sight of one of the other side's supporters.
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Surely there's only 2 other sports of any note crowd wise, rugby and cricket? Don't the cricket matches struggle to hit an average attendance of 5K so I doubt many away fans anyway, and it doesn't have the same emotive moments as a goal for example. As for rugby, there's been plenty of violence over the years despite the much smaller crowds, mainly up north. And especially involving the Hull teams.
As I said football is the worst example, mainly because it has far bigger crowds, but it isn't the only sport where rival fans fight.
In rugby all the fighting is conducted on the pitch. While cricket is far too civilised for any of this nonsense.
While not on the scale of football, over the years there has been pretty serious violence involving rugby fans. Both Hull clubs had problems back in the day as well as Salford, Warrington, Featherstone and so on.
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It's not the presence of other supporters.
It's the attitude and actions of those supporters - ManU fans have regularly ridiculed and shown disrespect towards the supporters of other teams and their fans - that's what puts fans' backs up, not just being there.
On the other thread I posted reference to the Arse game at VP where one Arse fan could have caused a riot when they scored their first goal- he obviously felt "protected" because he was in a box - he was standing, cheering and giving abusive gestures to the Villa fans a few feet away from him. His objective was to ridicule and provoke Villa fans. Someone clearly had a word and he disappeared for 10 minutes, only to return, still wearing his colours and punching the air etc. His conduct would have got him chucked out in any other part of the ground and so it should.
By the end of the game he was shouting abuse and making abusive gestures to Villa fans.
The steward I spoke to said the steward in the box would sort it out.
He certainly didn't during the game.
I fully expect him to return next season...if Arse manage to avoid relegation.
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It's not the presence of other supporters.
It's the attitude and actions of those supporters - ManU fans have regularly ridiculed and shown disrespect towards the supporters of other teams and their fans - that's what puts fans' backs up, not just being there.
Judging by what he said about the woman who started it, their presence clearly did upset her and I've seen and read about it many times before.
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I have to say that given his, at best, stretching of the truth about who his kids support that I wouldn't trust a word he says.
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I have to say that given his, at best, stretching of the truth about who his kids support that I wouldn't trust a word he says.
Although I think we should all be able to hold hands, I did kind of think the same.