Quote from: PeterWithesShin on October 12, 2014, 06:49:18 PMQuote from: Monty on October 12, 2014, 06:46:44 PMQuote from: devilla on October 12, 2014, 06:34:52 PMCan't believe Rooney is only one goal away from Greave's record. He's always let us down in the big tournaments.That's just the age we live in in all sports. How many players have scored more hundreds than Don Bradman now? But if you look closer at their stats you'll find that they've all played at least 2.5 times as many tests. The same goes in football - Rooney plays every game of the international calender, meaning getting 100 caps is a trivial matter for him. It's different times: more games, better fitness to play them all, exaggerated statistics.Greaves did it in 57 appearances, and i'd imagine not too many were against the likes of San Marino. Three against Luxembourg, ten goals across three thrashings of Northern Ireland, three against Scotland in a 9-3 win, three more in a 6-1 win against Norway.I reckon that there were comparatively more hammerings of weak teams during that era rather than fewer.
Quote from: Monty on October 12, 2014, 06:46:44 PMQuote from: devilla on October 12, 2014, 06:34:52 PMCan't believe Rooney is only one goal away from Greave's record. He's always let us down in the big tournaments.That's just the age we live in in all sports. How many players have scored more hundreds than Don Bradman now? But if you look closer at their stats you'll find that they've all played at least 2.5 times as many tests. The same goes in football - Rooney plays every game of the international calender, meaning getting 100 caps is a trivial matter for him. It's different times: more games, better fitness to play them all, exaggerated statistics.Greaves did it in 57 appearances, and i'd imagine not too many were against the likes of San Marino.
Quote from: devilla on October 12, 2014, 06:34:52 PMCan't believe Rooney is only one goal away from Greave's record. He's always let us down in the big tournaments.That's just the age we live in in all sports. How many players have scored more hundreds than Don Bradman now? But if you look closer at their stats you'll find that they've all played at least 2.5 times as many tests. The same goes in football - Rooney plays every game of the international calender, meaning getting 100 caps is a trivial matter for him. It's different times: more games, better fitness to play them all, exaggerated statistics.
Can't believe Rooney is only one goal away from Greave's record. He's always let us down in the big tournaments.
Quote from: PeterWithesShin on October 12, 2014, 06:12:16 PMI'd take Henderson off and get Ox or Sterling on. This managing lark is piss easy.
I'd take Henderson off and get Ox or Sterling on.
Regardless of the respective quality of opposition, which is debatable, it is unarguable that teams play loads more matches nowadays.Greaves' 44 goals in 57 games is more impressive than Rooney's 43 in 99.
People and the London media in particular get carried away with Wilshere but I think the opposite is true too that he gets more criticism than is warranted. I thought he played well tonight and the midfield rotation worked well (against a lowly ranked team). He's someone has a lot of potential but hasn't fulfilled it so far - not surprising with the injuries he's had.
Quote from: cdbullyweefan on October 12, 2014, 07:07:10 PMRegardless of the respective quality of opposition, which is debatable, it is unarguable that teams play loads more matches nowadays.Greaves' 44 goals in 57 games is more impressive than Rooney's 43 in 99.Jimmy Greaves is the greatest living English forward. Rooney is a very good player but without the adulation that Greavsie had and still has.
Did anyone else notice the "AVFC Wirrall" flag at the England game last night? Woolly-back Villans?