Roy Keane - new assistant manager (CONFIRMED)

[andrew08]

Please tell me we never paid Delfoneouso 40k per week?  I am reeling.

'Fraid so. MON of course.

[Toronto Villa]

What about when Diego Maradona tries to give you advice? Or Pele?

Far from the best players giving the best advice, sometimes the fact that it was so easy for them makes them among the worst coaches around. The frustration at players just not being able to do what they could often sets a barrier between them and the players. Of the real greats, only Beckenbauer and Cruyff also made good coaches.

So what about when a manager who was never much of a player gives advise to a great player? Why does that work? Why should that player ever listen especially if he thinks the manager can never appreciate that level of play. Couldn't that also be a barrier for some? Ultimately it's communication and the transfer of ideas. Just as Ancellotti, a really excellent player has done it, so has Mourinho and Ferguson. Some people are just very good at understanding the game, tactics, strategy and conveying a message and others not so. I don't think there is a definite rule one way or another.

[PeterWithesShin]

I remember the hooha when Keane was given a new contract of 50K (or 60K) a week as it was the highest in the country at the time. And he had a number of earning years after that.

I'd be amazed if Clark or Fonz were on £40K. And yet, at the same time, I wouldn't. But I don't think they were. Although the fact it's even remotely believable shows how bad we fucked some things up. Does all that make sense?

[pauliewalnuts]

What about when Diego Maradona tries to give you advice? Or Pele?

Far from the best players giving the best advice, sometimes the fact that it was so easy for them makes them among the worst coaches around. The frustration at players just not being able to do what they could often sets a barrier between them and the players. Of the real greats, only Beckenbauer and Cruyff also made good coaches.

So what about when a manager who was never much of a player gives advise to a great player? Why does that work? Why should that player ever listen especially if he thinks the manager can never appreciate that level of play. Couldn't that also be a barrier for some? Ultimately it's communication and the transfer of ideas. Just as Ancellotti, a really excellent player has done it, so has Mourinho and Ferguson. Some people are just very good at understanding the game, tactics, strategy and conveying a message and others not so. I don't think there is a definite rule one way or another.

Err, aren't you just making the same point as Monty did?

That there's no point in pointing out Keane's record as a player as it's really not that relevant?

[pauliewalnuts]

I remember the hooha when Keane was given a new contract of 50K (or 60K) a week as it was the highest in the country at the time. And he had a number of earning years after that.

I'd be amazed if Clark or Fonz were on £40K. And yet, at the same time, I wouldn't. But I don't think they were. Although the fact it's even remotely believable shows how bad we fucked some things up. Does all that make sense?

When the bloke told me that, as we left the ground, i told my friend this, and said that I thought he was fucking nuts if he reckoned Clark was on that sort of money

Subsequently, though, we've seen the state of the wage bill and the financial profligacy which has happened, and now I am far from sure it wasn't true.

[kippaxvilla2]

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/382714/EXCLUSIVE-Aston-Villa-to-name-Keane-as-Lambert-s-No-2-and-then-step-up-bid-for-Hoolahan

I, for once, hope that The Daily Star is right.

[Toronto Villa]

What about when Diego Maradona tries to give you advice? Or Pele?

Far from the best players giving the best advice, sometimes the fact that it was so easy for them makes them among the worst coaches around. The frustration at players just not being able to do what they could often sets a barrier between them and the players. Of the real greats, only Beckenbauer and Cruyff also made good coaches.

So what about when a manager who was never much of a player gives advise to a great player? Why does that work? Why should that player ever listen especially if he thinks the manager can never appreciate that level of play. Couldn't that also be a barrier for some? Ultimately it's communication and the transfer of ideas. Just as Ancellotti, a really excellent player has done it, so has Mourinho and Ferguson. Some people are just very good at understanding the game, tactics, strategy and conveying a message and others not so. I don't think there is a definite rule one way or another.

Err, aren't you just making the same point as Monty did?

That there's no point in pointing out Keane's record as a player as it's really not that relevant?

I'm not disagreeing with him, just that I'm pointing out that the rule works both ways. He used an example of two managers who happened to be great players, I chose he opposite. Great player or not you need to be a good tactician and communicator when it comes to management or coaching.

[KevinGage]

In a previous life, I interviewed Tommy Cassidy (ex NI and Newcastle) about the perils of a top class player going into management.

Despite getting to a World Cup in 1982, he was straight enough to say he wasn't in the top bracket of players.  He was however on good terms with Sir Booby Slaphead and George Best, and he said they had a genuine issue communicating their ideas to players less talented. 

Makes sense. What is normal to them, is Everest for the journeyman player.

[*shellac*]

Is Hoolahop really worth the hassle?

[Drummond]

Is Hoolahop really worth the hassle?

I know, it just seems to be going round and round in circles this one.

[Mister E]

Is Hoolahop really worth the hassle?

Relative to the current crop? - probably, yes.
Still need a DMF / enforcer type of player though; and a couple of fullbacks.

[andrew08]

I remember the hooha when Keane was given a new contract of 50K (or 60K) a week as it was the highest in the country at the time. And he had a number of earning years after that.

I'd be amazed if Clark or Fonz were on £40K. And yet, at the same time, I wouldn't. But I don't think they were. Although the fact it's even remotely believable shows how bad we fucked some things up. Does all that make sense?

Our company financial advisor is Clark's. They where in the process of doing a mortgage for him which fell through after he signed his new contract as he was in a different financial league then.

Footballer mortgages are complicated apparently and are usually for the term of their contracts. Tough life eh!

[robbo1874]

Sorry, bit behind the times in Australia, is keane now confirmed then?

[Ron Manager]

No he isn't.

[Dave]

Footballer mortgages are complicated apparently and are usually for the term of their contracts. Tough life eh!

It's the same for most professional sportsmen. If you're not likely to be doing your job when you're 50 years old then you'll find it hard for somebody to lend you money until that age.

They're no more complicated , just more expensive as they're paying them quicker.