I'd take that.
He's someone who perhaps will do better as a coach rather than manager I suspect.
He demands the best. We could with a bit of that about the place.
I'd take that.
He's someone who perhaps will do better as a coach rather than manager I suspect.
I'd take that.
He's someone who perhaps will do better as a coach rather than manager I suspect.
He's a psycho. Don't want him anywhere near the club.
I'd take that.
He's someone who perhaps will do better as a coach rather than manager I suspect.
He's a psycho. Don't want him anywhere near the club.
He's definitely not the most stable of individuals, and I definitely don't want him associated with the club in any way, shape or form.
Bring him in,he's a born winner
Bring him in,he's a born winnerWinner? You should ask Sunderland and Ipswich fans. Great player useless manager no coach.
Bring him in,he's a born winnerWinner? You should ask Sunderland and Ipswich fans. Great player useless manager no coach.
Bring him in,he's a born winnerWinner? You should ask Sunderland and Ipswich fans. Great player useless manager no coach.
There's definitely some truth in it. It doesn't exactly bode well for peace and harmony, nor for a more enlightened style of play.
I have to say, I'd love to see how the Villa hierarchy would do if you sat them down with an A-level logic paper and gave them an hour. This would not be the first decision they've made which betrays a lack of particularly ordered thinking.
Can we not ban anyone with Old Firm connections from the club for the next, say, 10,000 years? Bar one or two, they've all been a shower of shit.
He got Sunderland promoted as champions & hadn't won a game when he was appointed.Bring him in,he's a born winnerWinner? You should ask Sunderland and Ipswich fans. Great player useless manager no coach.
Indeed.
I have to say, I'd love to see how the Villa hierarchy would do if you sat them down with an A-level logic paper and gave them an hour. This would not be the first decision they've made which betrays a lack of particularly ordered thinking.
In fairness Lerner can't exactly choose Lambert's backroom staff for him so this would be Lambert's choice if it is true.
We need this takeover to happen quickly so that we can move past a lot of this.
Optimistically, this is just a short term step and he doesn't sign any long term deal. He is staying as Republic assistant so may be this is just to help out at the club until there is some degree of certainty. It could be just Lambert's old boss lending a hand and helping out by sending Keane.
*desperately clutches at straws*
Given the uncertainty around the club it might not be that easy to attract a coach other than one with another job to fall back on. So if it happens I'd see it as another pragmatic choice, in the same vein as keeping Lambert on while Lerner looks for a buyer.
Given the uncertainty around the club it might not be that easy to attract a coach other than one with another job to fall back on. So if it happens I'd see it as another pragmatic choice, in the same vein as keeping Lambert on while Lerner looks for a buyer.
Senderos is actually better than anything we've got , possibly with the exception of Okore who we know too little about to judge at this stage.
Actually come to think of it he did say "I won't be taking a pay cut" so you may be right.
Can't see Lambert working with Keane,why did Lambert go to Germany?
None of us saw this coming,what next Heskey as coach?
why did Lambert go to Germany?
Don't worry, Keane's plane was spotted earlier. It's all covered.
Lambert and Keane held talks before Celtic’s failed attempt to land their former midfielder and he will replace former assistant manager Ian Culverhouse, who was sacked last month.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2646560/Roy-Keane-set-Aston-Villa-No-2-pulling-race-Celtic-manager.html#ixzz33WPooIRl (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2646560/Roy-Keane-set-Aston-Villa-No-2-pulling-race-Celtic-manager.html#ixzz33WPooIRl)
Where did that thing about Keane wanking his dog come from?
Where did that thing about Keane wanking his dog come from?
Don't know if it has been mentioned, but a friend told me last week that Keane was at the Hull game.
He was shown in the stands on the TV, but was presumed there with ROI duties.
If Given ended up staying and continuing his role, I guess it could work, but I have many, many doubts!
He was shown in the stands on the TV, but was presumed there with ROI duties.
If Given ended up staying and continuing his role, I guess it could work, but I have many, many doubts!
Given and Keane hate each other....
Don't know if it has been mentioned, but a friend told me last week that Keane was at the Hull game.Yeah right.....are we supposed to really believe you have a friend?
Given the uncertainty around the club it might not be that easy to attract a coach other than one with another job to fall back on. So if it happens I'd see it as another pragmatic choice, in the same vein as keeping Lambert on while Lerner looks for a buyer.
Surely if that was a constraint, moving someone up from within would make more sense?
I can't see the point in this.
Every single thing I have read about Keane as a manager has mentioned he's got awful player management skills. Having just dropped two coaches who, apparently, were arseholes who alienated people, I don't see why we'd then move Roy Keane in.
I am limited in how much I'll get annoyed by it, because I think I'm so resigned to piss poor standards, I don't think I care any more, but this would just be another totally nuts appointment by a board who really don't know what they're doing.
Mental.
Thing is if going for Keane, why not go and get Meulensteen who is at least a genuinely renowned coach.
This can only mean that the new owners are Guinness. Or Sinn Fein. To be sure.
This can only mean that the new owners are Guinness. Or Sinn Fein. To be sure.
Given the relentless tide of disappointment we've had as Villa fans over the last few years I'd say that Paisley's lot are more likely than Sinn Fein. "Noooooooooo".
Maybe they're worried he might try and turn a dead body into a monster?
If he can teach our midfielders how to tackle properly and inspire some of the determination and passion in our players that he had when he was playing then i'm all for it. I even like him as a pundit as he says what he thinks rather than the usual cliche rubbish that gets spouted. Plus he scares the shit out of Adrian Chiles on Live TV each time!
I like the sound of it, he could be just the type of character we need around the place.
For one thing it shows that Lambert means business and intends to shake things up a bit rather just bide his time waiting for a pay off if and when new owners come in. It would be a brave choice on his part too, having such a high profile no.2.
Whoever comes in at this stage is really only going to be for the short term anyway so it's pointless thinking about a whole new coaching philosophy and big picture planning until the takeover.
To those that point to Keane's failings as a manager - maybe he's more cut-out to being a no.2. There are plenty of good assistants who never quite make as bosses. He can't be any worse than some of the others we've had in recent years.
Thing is if going for Keane, why not go and get Meulensteen who is at least a genuinely renowned coach.
This is a disaster waiting to happen.Agree - skip forward to beginning of October, were in the bottom 3, playing shite, he has a bust up and leaves his role. More turmoil, mid season and another bloody reason for lambert to moan about how hard he's had it.
We complain because we are to nice. Club looks at appointing someone who can coach no-bs approach - and we complain.
If he can teach our midfield to boss games - then I'm happy with RK.
Oops nearly forgot can someone let TBAR know,shame to keep them in the dark!What's far worse is that nearly all of them are hailing it as great news.Nobody over there seems able to join up the dots from Culverhouse to Keane nor look at Keane's managerial record.He does ,however,have the ability to stare and shout.Let's forget about all this progressive football nonsense,just go back to the trusted British method...more effort.
Don't know if it has been mentioned, but a friend told me last week that Keane was at the Hull game.Yeah right.....are we supposed to really believe you have a friend?
We complain because we are to nice. Club looks at appointing someone who can coach no-bs approach - and we complain.
If he can teach our midfield to boss games - then I'm happy with RK.
People are complaining because he's got a record of failure as a coach. I don't know about anyone else, but I don't want us to have a coaching team who will point out how shit we are. I want a coaching team that will stop us being shit. There is nothing in Keane's non playing career to suggest he is that.
We complain because we are to nice. Club looks at appointing someone who can coach no-bs approach - and we complain.
If he can teach our midfield to boss games - then I'm happy with RK.
People are complaining because he's got a record of failure as a coach. I don't know about anyone else, but I don't want us to have a coaching team who will point out how shit we are. I want a coaching team that will stop us being shit. There is nothing in Keane's non playing career to suggest he is that.
This has got HR violation written all over it
It's horseshit of course, so it matters not a jot.
We complain because we are to nice. Club looks at appointing someone who can coach no-bs approach - and we complain.
If he can teach our midfield to boss games - then I'm happy with RK.
People are complaining because he's got a record of failure as a coach. I don't know about anyone else, but I don't want us to have a coaching team who will point out how shit we are. I want a coaching team that will stop us being shit. There is nothing in Keane's non playing career to suggest he is that.
I doubt it's horse shit, it's been picked up by the BBC now.Just seems to be too bizarre to be true.
Paolo Di-Keanio.You can imagine the two of them together conducting training whilst Lamberts in his office daydreaming about competent throw-ins. Di Canio will be running around quoting Mussollini and kicking players up the Arse as a sign of affection. Keano will just be stomping on anyone who comes within five yards of him and asking why he's having to coach the local pub side, until he finally realises it's actually our first team.
I can't understand why people are getting so upset about it. Keane certainly knows the game and he may be a very good coach so let's just see.So has he got all the coaching badges that a top level Coach should have?
I can't understand why people are getting so upset about it. Keane certainly knows the game and he may be a very good coach so let's just see.So has he got all the coaching badges that a top level Coach should have?
Didn't he get Sunderland promoted? So he can't be totally useless.
Didn't he get Sunderland promoted? So he can't be totally useless.
He got Sunderland promoted as champions & hadn't won a game when he was appointed.And after he got Sunderland promoted they just about managed to survive in the first season and he walked out half way through second with Sunderland firmly in bottom 3. Where is the improvement he is going to bring our way?
Admit he didn't do anything at Ipswich though.
I can't understand why people are getting so upset about it. Keane certainly knows the game and he may be a very good coach so let's just see.So has he got all the coaching badges that a top level Coach should have?
This has got HR violation written all over it
What the fuck is that then?
My favourite excerpt (I think from the BBC) about Keane was 'Keane is not known as a coach, nor as someone who will improve teams tactically'. Then what the fuck precisely does he do?
My favourite excerpt (I think from the BBC) about Keane was 'Keane is not known as a coach, nor as someone who will improve teams tactically'. Then what the fuck precisely does he do?
Lambert appears to think that a hard bar-steward compliments his style. Which suggests he see's himself as the good cuddly cop compared tothe Karsa/Keane 'bad cop'. I cannot say I see it that wat albeit it's hard to garner any sort of personality characteristics from the interviews he gives.
Regardless what I think the club needs is better coaching so would have preferred a Clarke type appointment where the players are drilled into playing a certain type of football rather than just applying more pressure and fear onto the players.
He also had an engine as good as any player I've ever seen.
I am in the 'anything is better than the current shambles' camp.
I am in the 'anything is better than the current shambles' camp.
Unless other fundamental changes occur, he'll just become part of the current shambles.
I have to say I don't look at everything that's wrong with the club right now and think 'what we need is Roy Keane'.
Well that's odd because I had Tiny Tim in mine while I was writing it.I have to say I don't look at everything that's wrong with the club right now and think 'what we need is Roy Keane'.
I had Burt Baccarach singing in my head reading that Hilts.
Before we all go nuts over this lets wait to see if it actually happens, and if it does the terms of the agreement and the extent of his role. I cannot see, given the current situation with ownership of the club that we would be giving any coach a long term deal. I think this is merely an opportunity to help out until such time as the new owner arrives.
I'm not a fan of this if it is anything beyond a short term arrangement so slating this without seeing what it actually is or becomes is a little premature.
Fergie: ‘Roy Keane picked on John O’Shea’
ROY KEANE picked on Manchester United and Ireland teammate John O’Shea, according to Alex Ferguson.
In his latest autobiography, Ferguson address the MUTV incident which played a part in Keane’s leaving Old Trafford.
He writes: “As for blaming the young players? He wouldn’t have aimed that accusation at Wayne Rooney, who wouldn’t have stood for it. The senior players would sort him out. [Darren] Fletcher and O’Shea are the two he picked on, and they were booed as a result by our fans.”
On Keane’s departure from the club, Ferguson says: “In one deep sense, him leaving was the best thing that could have happened, because a lot of the players were intimidated by him in the dressing room, and those players emerged well from his departure. John O’Shea and Darren Fletcher were certainly beneficiaries…
“I think the dressing room relaxed when Roy left. Relief swept the room.”
Read more explosive criticisms from Alex Ferguson of his former captain here, including how Ferguson successfully talked Keane into playing for Ireland in the World Cup following the Saipan incident only to find Mick McCarthy had already informed the press that Keane had been kicked out.
I just hope that if he joins this doesn't indicate that we're in this situation for the long haul with no prospect of a takeover.
I'd pick on John O'Shea though, he's got girly lips.
I'd pick on John O'Shea though, he's got girly lips.
Would you make him squeal like a pig?
I wonder will he think of Tonev and Sylla . ' I know we are mates Paul , but why oh why '
And Joe Bennett , whats he going to think of him.
Nicked off twitter, but it made me laugh.
Roy Keane watches Nathan Baker in training for the first time:
(http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BpNEJIgIEAA3Q34.jpg)
bet he also has ideas on throw-ins, like, how to take them
Nicked off twitter, but it made me laugh.Someone on twitter posted this saying this is Keane after Weimann says 'flamey' to him during training
Roy Keane watches Nathan Baker in training for the first time:
(http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BpNEJIgIEAA3Q34.jpg)
Maybe Keane should have intimidated Fletcher and O'Shea a bit more because they both emerged well from their experience decidedly average footballers. Another year or so and maybe they'd have become decent.
Nicked off twitter, but it made me laugh.Someone on twitter posted this saying this is Keane after Weimann says 'flamey' to him during training
Roy Keane watches Nathan Baker in training for the first time:
(http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BpNEJIgIEAA3Q34.jpg)
:-) I agree. This is certainly going to be 'interesting'Nicked off twitter, but it made me laugh.Someone on twitter posted this saying this is Keane after Weimann says 'flamey' to him during training
Roy Keane watches Nathan Baker in training for the first time:
(http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BpNEJIgIEAA3Q34.jpg)
Ha ha ha, that is absolutely brilliant. Am actually in tears of laughter at that.
What a great summer this is shaping up to be. We're a bit of a broken mess, but it's at least interesting and very funny at times.
Maybe Keane should have intimidated Fletcher and O'Shea a bit more because they both emerged well from their experience decidedly average footballers. Another year or so and maybe they'd have become decent.
Just the 5 premier league titles for O'Shea. And a Champs League and 3 League cups and and FA cup
Maybe Keane should have intimidated Fletcher and O'Shea a bit more because they both emerged well from their experience decidedly average footballers. Another year or so and maybe they'd have become decent.
Just the 5 premier league titles for O'Shea. And a Champs League and 3 League cups and and FA cup
Yes, you're right. It had nothing to do with the rest of the team of superstars they had playing at the time. Wes Brown was superb too.
I bet as we post Joe Bennett is getting his poncey hair shaved off.
Maybe you're right. I don't particularly like Roy Keane but if he sorts out the footballing mess that we are then I could warm to him.
Maybe you're right. I don't particularly like Roy Keane but if he sorts out the footballing mess that we are then I could warm to him.
I think we'd all warm to him if he sorted out the on-pitch mess. That's not in doubt, it's just about whether or not we think he's likely to do it.
This is it. It's all well and good saying "he'll know how to sort out our midfield". If that were the case we'd just get Laursen and McGrath in as defensive coaches, add Keane to Cowans to coach the midfield and get Shearer and Yorke in as attacking coaches and sit back while we win the league next year.Maybe you're right. I don't particularly like Roy Keane but if he sorts out the footballing mess that we are then I could warm to him.
I think we'd all warm to him if he sorted out the on-pitch mess. That's not in doubt, it's just about whether or not we think he's likely to do it.
I bet as we post Joe Bennett is getting his poncey hair shaved off.
This is all part of the bigger picture, I am convinced. Every man and his dog (including Keane's) knows he won't play second fiddle to anyone...especially Lambert. He's coming here to be number 1...whether that is before of after the season starts, but he'll be the manager by Christmas one way or the other.
As is clear, I am in the "He's done a good job under the circumstances" camp. I'll say no more :-XIt's not so much a camp as a single, abandoned, wind-blown tent, full of snow, halfway up Everest.
This is it. It's all well and good saying "he'll know how to sort out our midfield". If that were the case we'd just get Laursen and McGrath in as defensive coaches, add Keane to Cowans to coach the midfield and get Shearer and Yorke in as attacking coaches and sit back while we win the league next year.Maybe you're right. I don't particularly like Roy Keane but if he sorts out the footballing mess that we are then I could warm to him.
I think we'd all warm to him if he sorted out the on-pitch mess. That's not in doubt, it's just about whether or not we think he's likely to do it.
Very little that he's done so far suggests that he has any idea how to sort out a midfield, in spite of the fact that he was a really good midfielder. And a horrible c*nt.
I thought you had given up on this Lambert has done a good job that no one except you seems to understand.This is all part of the bigger picture, I am convinced. Every man and his dog (including Keane's) knows he won't play second fiddle to anyone...especially Lambert. He's coming here to be number 1...whether that is before of after the season starts, but he'll be the manager by Christmas one way or the other.
So Lambert gets his friend to be his assistant in an effort to line up his own replacement? Genius! In general (not really singling out you Des), I think there is a very high level of conspiracy theories on football messageboards – across a spectrum – and it's funny, because everyone seems so adamant their one is right.
I've got my own:
Lambert is going to stay on as manager, because at least Randy, as he should, is aware of the financial restraint Lambert's been under. I don't think Lerner is in any position to say Lambert's not been good enough when Lambert's fixed the finances and got rid of such a lot of expensive dead wood who were making (some still) our finances critical. I also believe he has done a good job on the most part (nothing is ever perfect, eh). As is clear, I am in the "He's done a good job under the circumstances" camp. I'll say no more :-X
I also don't think we know the half of what's going on. There was some comment on villatalk – or was it HowardHodgson on twitter? I don't know – anyway, someone said Keane was seen at Villa Park with Lambert and the prospective new owners, or something. That was apparently before there was any realistic suggestion of Keane being the assistant manager, so as for the prospective new owners who knows? No smoke without fire? Well, with football rumours it seems to be all smoke and very rarely fire.
I think there are bigger plans being implemented for the new season with Lambert as manager and with Roy Keane as his assistant, and it wouldn't surprise me if the potential new owners are involved in some way. After all, I believe Lerner had a bit of influence at the end of Doug's reign.
But that's my conspiracy theory anyway.
Even so, by you're reckoning Bryan Robson, a fantastic player, should have been a brilliant manager, he was anything but and was about as dull a personality as you could get.Eh?
I thought you had given up on this Lambert has done a good job that no one except you seems to understand.This is all part of the bigger picture, I am convinced. Every man and his dog (including Keane's) knows he won't play second fiddle to anyone...especially Lambert. He's coming here to be number 1...whether that is before of after the season starts, but he'll be the manager by Christmas one way or the other.
So Lambert gets his friend to be his assistant in an effort to line up his own replacement? Genius! In general (not really singling out you Des), I think there is a very high level of conspiracy theories on football messageboards – across a spectrum – and it's funny, because everyone seems so adamant their one is right.
I've got my own:
Lambert is going to stay on as manager, because at least Randy, as he should, is aware of the financial restraint Lambert's been under. I don't think Lerner is in any position to say Lambert's not been good enough when Lambert's fixed the finances and got rid of such a lot of expensive dead wood who were making (some still) our finances critical. I also believe he has done a good job on the most part (nothing is ever perfect, eh). As is clear, I am in the "He's done a good job under the circumstances" camp. I'll say no more :-X
I also don't think we know the half of what's going on. There was some comment on villatalk – or was it HowardHodgson on twitter? I don't know – anyway, someone said Keane was seen at Villa Park with Lambert and the prospective new owners, or something. That was apparently before there was any realistic suggestion of Keane being the assistant manager, so as for the prospective new owners who knows? No smoke without fire? Well, with football rumours it seems to be all smoke and very rarely fire.
I think there are bigger plans being implemented for the new season with Lambert as manager and with Roy Keane as his assistant, and it wouldn't surprise me if the potential new owners are involved in some way. After all, I believe Lerner had a bit of influence at the end of Doug's reign.
But that's my conspiracy theory anyway.
Even so, by you're reckoning Bryan Robson, a fantastic player, should have been a brilliant manager, he was anything but and was about as dull a personality as you could get.Eh?
That's the exact opposite of what I'm saying. Keane being a good midfielder has no bearing on how good he would be at coaching our midfield. It's two completely different skills.
That's the point.
Nicked off twitter, but it made me laugh.Someone on twitter posted this saying this is Keane after Weimann says 'flamey' to him during training
Roy Keane watches Nathan Baker in training for the first time:
(http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BpNEJIgIEAA3Q34.jpg)
Ha ha ha, that is absolutely brilliant. Am actually in tears of laughter at that.
What a great summer this is shaping up to be. We're a bit of a broken mess, but it's at least interesting and very funny at times.
This is all part of the bigger picture, I am convinced. Every man and his dog (including Keane's) knows he won't play second fiddle to anyone...especially Lambert. He's coming here to be number 1...whether that is before of after the season starts, but he'll be the manager by Christmas one way or the other.
Maybe Keane should have intimidated Fletcher and O'Shea a bit more because they both emerged well from their experience decidedly average footballers. Another year or so and maybe they'd have become decent.
Just the 5 premier league titles for O'Shea. And a Champs League and 3 League cups and and FA cup
Yes, you're right. It had nothing to do with the rest of the team of superstars they had playing at the time. Wes Brown was superb too.
Man United must be a truly great side if they won all those trophies with only 9 players on the pitch
Fletcher and O'Shea have won more trophies than Villa. Pains me to say it
This is all part of the bigger picture, I am convinced. Every man and his dog (including Keane's) knows he won't play second fiddle to anyone...especially Lambert. He's coming here to be number 1...whether that is before of after the season starts, but he'll be the manager by Christmas one way or the other.
I bloody hope not, I'd hope the brave new dawn would involve a more successful manager than Roy Keane.
This is it. It's all well and good saying "he'll know how to sort out our midfield". If that were the case we'd just get Laursen and McGrath in as defensive coaches, add Keane to Cowans to coach the midfield and get Shearer and Yorke in as attacking coaches and sit back while we win the league next year.Maybe you're right. I don't particularly like Roy Keane but if he sorts out the footballing mess that we are then I could warm to him.
I think we'd all warm to him if he sorted out the on-pitch mess. That's not in doubt, it's just about whether or not we think he's likely to do it.
Very little that he's done so far suggests that he has any idea how to sort out a midfield, in spite of the fact that he was a really good midfielder. And a horrible c*nt.
As is clear, I am in the "He's done a good job under the circumstances" camp. I'll say no more :-XIt's not so much a camp as a single, abandoned, wind-blown tent, full of snow, halfway up Everest.
Shame he's pulled out of the World Cup. I enjoy his punditry just because you know he won't toe the itv party line and one day he's bound to give either Dixon or chiles a slap.
No, I threw McGrath and Laursen into the mix as they are other examples of great players who aren't necessarily going to be great managers or coaches.Even so, by you're reckoning Bryan Robson, a fantastic player, should have been a brilliant manager, he was anything but and was about as dull a personality as you could get.Eh?
That's the exact opposite of what I'm saying. Keane being a good midfielder has no bearing on how good he would be at coaching our midfield. It's two completely different skills.
That's the point.
You threw McGrath and Laursen into the mix to sort out our Defence. One of which certainly couldn't do the job. I'm throwing in Robson as a manager in the same way.
We should have a poll.
We should have a poll.
I done a poll.
We should have a poll.
I done a poll.
I know he is barking but the canine interference reference is a bit close to the bone Shirley?
We should have a poll.
I done a poll.
I know he is barking but the canine interference reference is a bit close to the bone Shirley?
It's football folklore.
I might make another poll to decide whether to remove the dog wanking reference.
We should have a poll.
I done a poll.
I know he is barking but the canine interference reference is a bit close to the bone Shirley?
It's football folklore.
I might make another poll to decide whether to remove the dog wanking reference.
Thats good - take the lead Paulie
I think we should have a Poll Tax. That would be ace.
We should have a poll.
I done a poll.
I know he is barking but the canine interference reference is a bit close to the bone Shirley?
It's football folklore.
I might make another poll to decide whether to remove the dog wanking reference.
Thats good - take the lead Paulie
Will he pull off Baker at half time?
I can reveal that ITV Sport are extremely unhappy about Keane pulling out of the World Cup summarising gig.
They would have him killed, but are having trouble finding a hitman who will issue a VAT receipt
ITV left in the lurch as Roy Keane quits World Cup coverage team
Ian Burrell Author Biography
Media Editor
Tuesday 03 June 2014
Roy Keane left ITV’s sports department hobbling towards Brazil after the star pundit quit the broadcaster on the eve of the World Cup.
The former Manchester United captain and assistant manager of the Republic of Ireland told ITV bosses that he wanted to focus on coaching and did not want the distraction of the television studios. Although Ireland did not qualify for Brazil, Keane is strongly linked with a second coaching role at Aston Villa.
Perhaps Keane has been doing some astrology? He recently recounted that it was his horoscope which persuaded him to take a job with ITV in 2011, after the broadcaster asked him to join its commentary team for the Champions League final between Manchester United and Barcelona.
After reading his stars and being told “you can’t keep saying no to things”, Keane decided to take the job. “There’d always been offers and I’d always said ‘no’,” he told the Irish Independent. “I really wanted to see the match but didn’t want to be bothering anyone for tickets.”
Speaking earlier this month as ITV proudly announced its line-up for Brazil, Keane said of his punditry that he didn’t “intend to be doing it for years”, which was a poignant comment, given that he has departed before the tournament even started.
There’s something about “Keano” and World Cups. As a player at the Japanese tournament in 2002 he was sent home after a foul-mouthed broadside at the Irish manager Mick McCarthy. “I didn’t rate you as a player, I don’t rate you as a manager, and I don’t rate you as a person,” he said, locking antlers with the English-born boss.
Keane has a fearsome reputation. He ended Alf-Inge Haland’s career with a knee-high tackle and slated the corporate fans at Old Trafford as “the prawn sandwich brigade”. When he first arrived in the studio, some of the ITV team were nervous of him.
But his uncompromising attitude has also proved an asset. Viewers knew that Keane, famed for his total commitment on the pitch, was not the type of person to issue platitudes or be afraid to criticise inferior performances. Any praise from Roy would be well-earned.
Having won every major honour in club football, including Player of the Year awards from his fellow professionals, Keane commands great respect within the game.
For ITV and its head of sport Niall Sloane, it was a great coup to acquire a star who is notoriously private and suspicious of the media. Sloane was formerly at the BBC, from where he poached ITV’s lead presenter Adrian Chiles and tactical analyst Lee Dixon. Keane, whose final game in the ITV studio was last month’s Champions League final between Real Madrid and Atletico Madrid, became a popular member of the broadcast team, who he would often accompany for meals after big games.
Unlike his fallout with McCarthy, Keane’s split with ITV has not been acrimonious. “Roy has been a tremendous part of our pundit team in recent years, but we fully understand his decision to concentrate wholly on his coaching,” said an ITV spokesperson. “We wish him every success for the future.”
ITV must be feeling like Uruguay coach Oscar Tabarez after the eve-of-tournament injury to star striker Luis Suarez. The broadcaster has a team of around 10 pundits and sources argued last night that although Keane was “a unique figure” his absence would not leave “a gaping hole”.
Lambert probably wanted someone opposite to his happy-go-lucky, gag-a-minute management style...
I sit just behind the dug out but tend not to shout much. My mate Mark however, he's our designated manager/coach baiter. I suspect he might be a bit quieter if this appointment happens.
Lambert probably wanted someone opposite to his happy-go-lucky, gag-a-minute management style...
Every straight man needs a straight man.
I've always imagined those sat right near the dug out all live in Walmley, vote Tory and read the Daily Mail.
A genuine winner at VP? What are they thinking? Complacent mediocrity rules.
A genuine winner at VP? What are they thinking? Complacent mediocrity rules.
A genuine winner as a player yes, as a manager/coach? not so sure.
I've always imagined those sat right near the dug out all live in Walmley, vote Tory and read the Daily Mail.
Most of those of us in A3 upper Trinity don't vote at all. We can't, we're all Lords.
I've always imagined those sat right near the dug out all live in Walmley, vote Tory and read the Daily Mail.Nah I reckon,Moseley, vote Labour,read The Guardian,wealthy, former grammar school boy ladder puller uppers. They know what's best for everyone !
Did anyone see him on sky sports news earlier growling at a reporter then storming off down the road? Mad man
Keane is a winner full stop. Out of interest, to fans who don't want Keane who do you want?
I've always imagined those sat right near the dug out all live in Walmley, vote Tory and read the Daily Mail.Nah I reckon,Moseley, vote Labour,read The Guardian,wealthy, former grammar school boy ladder puller uppers. They know what's best for everyone !
Keane is a winner full stop. Out of interest, to fans who don't want Keane who do you want?Christ almighty, do we now have to go through this rigmarole for assistant managers too?
Smacks of desperation to me, but that's where we are, desperateI think it's a bit of a mix of desperate , random and bizarre. A bit like going up town on a Monday night and getting lashed up.
Sometimes desperate measures work out, like when Robson threw on Platt in the 1990 world cup,
At least it's a proactive move, no idea if it will work out but you never know
I've always imagined those sat right near the dug out all live in Walmley, vote Tory and read the Daily Mail.
Smacks of desperation to me, but that's where we are, desperateI think it's a bit of a mix of desperate , random and bizarre. A bit like going up town on a Monday night and getting lashed up.
Sometimes desperate measures work out, like when Robson threw on Platt in the 1990 world cup,
At least it's a proactive move, no idea if it will work out but you never know
Keane is a winner full stop. Out of interest, to fans who don't want Keane who do you want?
Did anyone see him on sky sports news earlier growling at a reporter then storming off down the road? Mad man
https://t.co/l4Tw8xO4Kc
Keane is a winner full stop. Out of interest, to fans who don't want Keane who do you want?
Sid Cowans please. A gentleman,a very good coach with the respect of the players & more importantly a guy who wants the job & would say yes in a heartbeat.
Bloody studentsSmacks of desperation to me, but that's where we are, desperateI think it's a bit of a mix of desperate , random and bizarre. A bit like going up town on a Monday night and getting lashed up.
Sometimes desperate measures work out, like when Robson threw on Platt in the 1990 world cup,
At least it's a proactive move, no idea if it will work out but you never know
Give me a Monday night out over a weekend any day!
No cues, you get served at the bar, value for money, and generally idiot free.
Sometimes not conforming can be surprisingly nice.
I've always imagined those sat right near the dug out all live in Walmley, vote Tory and read the Daily Mail.
Most of those of us in A3 upper Trinity don't vote at all. We can't, we're all Lords.
Bloody studentsSmacks of desperation to me, but that's where we are, desperateI think it's a bit of a mix of desperate , random and bizarre. A bit like going up town on a Monday night and getting lashed up.
Sometimes desperate measures work out, like when Robson threw on Platt in the 1990 world cup,
At least it's a proactive move, no idea if it will work out but you never know
Give me a Monday night out over a weekend any day!
No cues, you get served at the bar, value for money, and generally idiot free.
Sometimes not conforming can be surprisingly nice.
Keane is a winner full stop. Out of interest, to fans who don't want Keane who do you want?
Sid Cowans please. A gentleman,a very good coach with the respect of the players & more importantly a guy who wants the job & would say yes in a heartbeat.
And who has been first team coach twice - under McLeish and for the final weeks of last season. Hardly a glowing recommendation.
We want our players, especially the kids, looking forward to training. As opposed to being absolutely scared shitless.Did anyone see him on sky sports news earlier growling at a reporter then storming off down the road? Mad man
https://t.co/l4Tw8xO4Kc
Keane is a winner full stop. Out of interest, to fans who don't want Keane who do you want?
Sid Cowans please. A gentleman,a very good coach with the respect of the players & more importantly a guy who wants the job & would say yes in a heartbeat.
And who has been first team coach twice - under McLeish and for the final weeks of last season. Hardly a glowing recommendation.
Keane is a winner full stop. Out of interest, to fans who don't want Keane who do you want?
Sid Cowans please. A gentleman,a very good coach with the respect of the players & more importantly a guy who wants the job & would say yes in a heartbeat.
And who has been first team coach twice - under McLeish and for the final weeks of last season. Hardly a glowing recommendation.
.....and sorry to say, being a nice bloke doesn't make you anything other than a nice bloke.
We want our players, especially the kids, looking forward to training. As opposed to being absolutely scared shitless.Did anyone see him on sky sports news earlier growling at a reporter then storming off down the road? Mad man
https://t.co/l4Tw8xO4Kc
We want our players, especially the kids, looking forward to training. As opposed to being absolutely scared shitless.Did anyone see him on sky sports news earlier growling at a reporter then storming off down the road? Mad man
https://t.co/l4Tw8xO4Kc
I'd prefer them to be frothing at the mouth, eager to learn, fight and win, not strolling down to Bodymoor in their nice cars for a little training and faking enjoyment for the OS cameraman. it about time Villa had some nastiness.I don't disagree that the players need to show more gumption but I think the bottom line is that their skills need to improve massively.
I'd prefer them to be frothing at the mouth, eager to learn, fight and win, not strolling down to Bodymoor in their nice cars for a little training and faking enjoyment for the OS cameraman. it about time Villa had some nastiness.I don't disagree that the players need to show more gumption but I think the bottom line is that their skills need to improve massively.
I'd prefer them to be frothing at the mouth, eager to learn, fight and win, not strolling down to Bodymoor in their nice cars for a little training and faking enjoyment for the OS cameraman. it about time Villa had some nastiness.I don't disagree that the players need to show more gumption but I think the bottom line is that their skills need to improve massively.
Keane is a winner full stop. Out of interest, to fans who don't want Keane who do you want?
Sid Cowans please. A gentleman,a very good coach with the respect of the players & more importantly a guy who wants the job & would say yes in a heartbeat.
Keane is a winner full stop. Out of interest, to fans who don't want Keane who do you want?
Sid Cowans please. A gentleman,a very good coach with the respect of the players & more importantly a guy who wants the job & would say yes in a heartbeat.
And who has been first team coach twice - under McLeish and for the final weeks of last season. Hardly a glowing recommendation.
Would signing Keane be recognition from Lambert that he has in fact lost the dressing room?Wouldn't it just be recognition that he doesn't have an assistant manager anymore after the last one left the club?
Why have one awful manager when you can have two eh? What's the plan going to be now, 'good cop, bad cop?'
You have to laugh, or you'd cry.
Can't be any worse, can it lads? At least it should be interesting. A damn sight more interesting listening to Roy Keane than Paul Lambert, that's for sure.
Why have one awful manager when you can have two eh? What's the plan going to be now, 'good cop, bad cop?'
You have to laugh, or you'd cry.
Or you could wait to see if it actually happens before slashing your wrists.
Keane is a winner full stop. Out of interest, to fans who don't want Keane who do you want?
when there is lots of doubt as there is with us right now then going with someone you know makes sense. Also, what are we offering those other coaches in terms of security when all of them will know that we are for sale, and the manager that just hired them could be fired? And very likely so will members of the existing coaching staff. Putting aside any personal feelings on Keane we need a short term fix and this could be it.
when there is lots of doubt as there is with us right now then going with someone you know makes sense. Also, what are we offering those other coaches in terms of security when all of them will know that we are for sale, and the manager that just hired them could be fired? And very likely so will members of the existing coaching staff. Putting aside any personal feelings on Keane we need a short term fix and this could be it.
Keane is a winner full stop. Out of interest, to fans who don't want Keane who do you want?
René Meulensteen, Carlos Queiroz and Ray Wilkins are all currently available.
That's three of the more obvious names.
I'm sure there are other talented younger out there with bright ideas, who would relish the chance to cut their teeth at a club like the Villa.
But as is often the case with British football, when in doubt, go with your mates.
If Keane is who Lambert wants, then its only right the club backs him.
I really don't think this is on the cards. Keane has had little to no success as a manager and as bizarre as Lerner's managerial appointments have been there has been a sense of logic and hoping to move Villa forward with them. Even TSM had won something. As a self-styled Villa fan I really cannot see Lerner leaving with the new owners wanting Keane in charge. Also, Lambert will be fighting tooth and nail to keep his job and there is no reason for him to want to go to the footballing dead water of Scottish football.
It would appear to amount to replacing one in-yer-face bully with another.
They are probably trying to piss lambert off so much he will walk
I didn't realise that.They are probably trying to piss lambert off so much he will walk
I thought Keane was a friend of his.
It would appear to amount to replacing one in-yer-face bully with another.
A no nonsense approach to the game does not make you a bully. There's a difference. I can imagine if you get on the wrong side of Keane he might be a bit intimidating but a bully? No, no evidence of that.
"I'd waited long enough. I fucking hit him hard. The ball was there (I think). Take that you c***. And don't ever stand over me sneering about fake injuries.
Despite widespread condemnation, he later maintained in his autobiography that he had no regrets about the incident: "My attitude was, fuck him. What goes around comes around. He got his just rewards. He fucked me over and my attitude is an eye for an eye.
"He ruled by fear," said one source close to the squad.http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/sunderland/3551680/Sunderland-players-celebrate-after-Roy-Keane-resigns-Football.html
I didn't realise that.They are probably trying to piss lambert off so much he will walk
I thought Keane was a friend of his.
It would appear to amount to replacing one in-yer-face bully with another.
A no nonsense approach to the game does not make you a bully. There's a difference. I can imagine if you get on the wrong side of Keane he might be a bit intimidating but a bully? No, no evidence of that.
Deliberately seriously injuring another player as retaliation for some sneering comments. That's not no-nonsense, just thuggery.Quote"I'd waited long enough. I fucking hit him hard. The ball was there (I think). Take that you c***. And don't ever stand over me sneering about fake injuries.
Despite widespread condemnation, he later maintained in his autobiography that he had no regrets about the incident: "My attitude was, fuck him. What goes around comes around. He got his just rewards. He fucked me over and my attitude is an eye for an eye.
And then onto his management career
Sunderland players celebrate after Roy Keane resigns.Quote"He ruled by fear," said one source close to the squad.http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/sunderland/3551680/Sunderland-players-celebrate-after-Roy-Keane-resigns-Football.html
If he'd had some kind of massive coaching success I could see some small piece of logic in this. But he hasn't. He's been rubbish at both his clubs and fallen out with players and directors alike.
I'm not surprised by the heavy negative tone of the majority of comments on here but equally the appointment doesn't surprise me either. I have long since stopped deluding myself that we are much more attractive for managers, coaches and players than the likes of Stoke, Southampton etc
A Roy Keane training session at this club full of inept players will probably play out like the opening half of Full Metal Jacket. Andy Weimann for the lack of Grant Holt, will be Private Pyle.
It would appear to amount to replacing one in-yer-face bully with another.
A no nonsense approach to the game does not make you a bully. There's a difference. I can imagine if you get on the wrong side of Keane he might be a bit intimidating but a bully? No, no evidence of that.
Deliberately seriously injuring another player as retaliation for some sneering comments. That's not no-nonsense, just thuggery.Quote"I'd waited long enough. I fucking hit him hard. The ball was there (I think). Take that you c***. And don't ever stand over me sneering about fake injuries.
Despite widespread condemnation, he later maintained in his autobiography that he had no regrets about the incident: "My attitude was, fuck him. What goes around comes around. He got his just rewards. He fucked me over and my attitude is an eye for an eye.
And then onto his management career
Sunderland players celebrate after Roy Keane resigns.Quote"He ruled by fear," said one source close to the squad.http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/sunderland/3551680/Sunderland-players-celebrate-after-Roy-Keane-resigns-Football.html
If he'd had some kind of massive coaching success I could see some small piece of logic in this. But he hasn't. He's been rubbish at both his clubs and fallen out with players and directors alike.
You can't say he was rubbish at Sunderland, he got them promoted.
It would appear to amount to replacing one in-yer-face bully with another.
A no nonsense approach to the game does not make you a bully. There's a difference. I can imagine if you get on the wrong side of Keane he might be a bit intimidating but a bully? No, no evidence of that.
Deliberately seriously injuring another player as retaliation for some sneering comments. That's not no-nonsense, just thuggery.Quote"I'd waited long enough. I fucking hit him hard. The ball was there (I think). Take that you c***. And don't ever stand over me sneering about fake injuries.
Despite widespread condemnation, he later maintained in his autobiography that he had no regrets about the incident: "My attitude was, fuck him. What goes around comes around. He got his just rewards. He fucked me over and my attitude is an eye for an eye.
And then onto his management career
Sunderland players celebrate after Roy Keane resigns.Quote"He ruled by fear," said one source close to the squad.http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/sunderland/3551680/Sunderland-players-celebrate-after-Roy-Keane-resigns-Football.html
If he'd had some kind of massive coaching success I could see some small piece of logic in this. But he hasn't. He's been rubbish at both his clubs and fallen out with players and directors alike.
You can't say he was rubbish at Sunderland, he got them promoted.
That's not really a measure of being able to do it at the top level, though.
McLeish got Small Heath promoted.
The Irish Times slant on things, nothing too revealing.
irish times (http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/international/roy-keane-quits-tv-punditry-adding-fuel-to-rumours-1.1819339)
hope the link works.
It would appear to amount to replacing one in-yer-face bully with another.
A no nonsense approach to the game does not make you a bully. There's a difference. I can imagine if you get on the wrong side of Keane he might be a bit intimidating but a bully? No, no evidence of that.
Deliberately seriously injuring another player as retaliation for some sneering comments. That's not no-nonsense, just thuggery.Quote
"I'd waited long enough. I fucking hit him hard. The ball was there (I think). Take that you c***. And don't ever stand over me sneering about fake injuries.
Despite widespread condemnation, he later maintained in his autobiography that he had no regrets about the incident: "My attitude was, fuck him. What goes around comes around. He got his just rewards. He fucked me over and my attitude is an eye for an eye.
I'm not doubting that Keane has been guilty of malicious thuggery on the field. That isn't bullying though is it? Has there been any evidence of bullying in any of his managerial roles since he stopped playing?
He's a thuggish, arrogant arsehole who was never that damn good as a player anyway, and was described by a very friendly BBC report when it looked like he might be taking over at Celtic as 'not known as a coach, nor as the sort of manager to improve a team tactically'. What precisely does he do, in that case?
Or perhaps a more salient question would be why does Lambert appear so fond of appointing people with thuggery and violence so prominent in their personalities? This isn't a trait I want at the club, not anywhere near it.
The Irish Times slant on things, nothing too revealing.
irish times (http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/international/roy-keane-quits-tv-punditry-adding-fuel-to-rumours-1.1819339)
hope the link works.
And Emmet Malone gets in two digs about Birmingham/Brummies, the twat.
The Irish Times slant on things, nothing too revealing.
irish times (http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/international/roy-keane-quits-tv-punditry-adding-fuel-to-rumours-1.1819339)
hope the link works.
And Emmet Malone gets in two digs about Birmingham/Brummies, the twat.
He's a thuggish, arrogant arsehole who was never that damn good as a player anyway, and was described by a very friendly BBC report when it looked like he might be taking over at Celtic as 'not known as a coach, nor as the sort of manager to improve a team tactically'. What precisely does he do, in that case?
Or perhaps a more salient question would be why does Lambert appear so fond of appointing people with thuggery and violence so prominent in their personalities? This isn't a trait I want at the club, not anywhere near it.
You can say what you like about him as a manager and a person, but to say he wasn't a great player is just wrong.
He's a thuggish, arrogant arsehole who was never that damn good as a player anyway, and was described by a very friendly BBC report when it looked like he might be taking over at Celtic as 'not known as a coach, nor as the sort of manager to improve a team tactically'. What precisely does he do, in that case?
Or perhaps a more salient question would be why does Lambert appear so fond of appointing people with thuggery and violence so prominent in their personalities? This isn't a trait I want at the club, not anywhere near it.
You can say what you like about him as a manager and a person, but to say he wasn't a great player is just wrong.
Agreed. Okay he wasn't the most skilful player ever but there's more than one way to be a great player.He's a thuggish, arrogant arsehole who was never that damn good as a player anyway, and was described by a very friendly BBC report when it looked like he might be taking over at Celtic as 'not known as a coach, nor as the sort of manager to improve a team tactically'. What precisely does he do, in that case?
Or perhaps a more salient question would be why does Lambert appear so fond of appointing people with thuggery and violence so prominent in their personalities? This isn't a trait I want at the club, not anywhere near it.
You can say what you like about him as a manager and a person, but to say he wasn't a great player is just wrong.
Agreed. Okay he wasn't the most skilful player ever but there's more than one way to be a great player.He's a thuggish, arrogant arsehole who was never that damn good as a player anyway, and was described by a very friendly BBC report when it looked like he might be taking over at Celtic as 'not known as a coach, nor as the sort of manager to improve a team tactically'. What precisely does he do, in that case?
Or perhaps a more salient question would be why does Lambert appear so fond of appointing people with thuggery and violence so prominent in their personalities? This isn't a trait I want at the club, not anywhere near it.
You can say what you like about him as a manager and a person, but to say he wasn't a great player is just wrong.
His performance in their CL semi away at Juventus (prior to "That Night in Barcelona") was as good a midfield performance as I've seen.Exactly right. As much as I loathe United and disliked Keane, I remember watching in awe as he single handedly dragged his team into the final by sheer force of will. Extraordinary.
Agreed. Okay he wasn't the most skilful player ever but there's more than one way to be a great player.He's a thuggish, arrogant arsehole who was never that damn good as a player anyway, and was described by a very friendly BBC report when it looked like he might be taking over at Celtic as 'not known as a coach, nor as the sort of manager to improve a team tactically'. What precisely does he do, in that case?
Or perhaps a more salient question would be why does Lambert appear so fond of appointing people with thuggery and violence so prominent in their personalities? This isn't a trait I want at the club, not anywhere near it.
You can say what you like about him as a manager and a person, but to say he wasn't a great player is just wrong.
He's a thuggish, arrogant arsehole who was never that damn good as a player anyway, and was described by a very friendly BBC report when it looked like he might be taking over at Celtic as 'not known as a coach, nor as the sort of manager to improve a team tactically'. What precisely does he do, in that case?
Or perhaps a more salient question would be why does Lambert appear so fond of appointing people with thuggery and violence so prominent in their personalities? This isn't a trait I want at the club, not anywhere near it.
You can say what you like about him as a manager and a person, but to say he wasn't a great player is just wrong.
I appreciate the importance of them being pumped and up for it, full of aggression and willing to run through walls etc, etc, and Keane might instil that. I have no problem with that.Absolutely. It was just Monty's rather withering assessment of Keane as a player that I and others were disputing.
What concerns me most is our lack of tactical nous and creativity, though, and I can't see anything in his past as a manager to suggest he'll sort that out.
It's like getting your car tuned (do people still get cars tuned? I doubt it) whilst ignoring the four flat tyres you've got.
I appreciate the importance of them being pumped and up for it, full of aggression and willing to run through walls etc, etc, and Keane might instil that. I have no problem with that.
What concerns me most is our lack of tactical nous and creativity, though, and I can't see anything in his past as a manager to suggest he'll sort that out.
It's like getting your car tuned (do people still get cars tuned? I doubt it) whilst ignoring the four flat tyres you've got.
And there's no steering wheel.I appreciate the importance of them being pumped and up for it, full of aggression and willing to run through walls etc, etc, and Keane might instil that. I have no problem with that.
What concerns me most is our lack of tactical nous and creativity, though, and I can't see anything in his past as a manager to suggest he'll sort that out.
It's like getting your car tuned (do people still get cars tuned? I doubt it) whilst ignoring the four flat tyres you've got.
I think the analogy would work better the other way round, the tyres are sound except the ones at the back need replacing. The engine needs attention as it lacks any sort of power.
And there's no steering wheel.I appreciate the importance of them being pumped and up for it, full of aggression and willing to run through walls etc, etc, and Keane might instil that. I have no problem with that.
What concerns me most is our lack of tactical nous and creativity, though, and I can't see anything in his past as a manager to suggest he'll sort that out.
It's like getting your car tuned (do people still get cars tuned? I doubt it) whilst ignoring the four flat tyres you've got.
I think the analogy would work better the other way round, the tyres are sound except the ones at the back need replacing. The engine needs attention as it lacks any sort of power.
He's a thuggish, arrogant arsehole who was never that damn good as a player anyway, and was described by a very friendly BBC report when it looked like he might be taking over at Celtic as 'not known as a coach, nor as the sort of manager to improve a team tactically'. What precisely does he do, in that case?
Or perhaps a more salient question would be why does Lambert appear so fond of appointing people with thuggery and violence so prominent in their personalities? This isn't a trait I want at the club, not anywhere near it.
With one careless owner.And there's no steering wheel.I appreciate the importance of them being pumped and up for it, full of aggression and willing to run through walls etc, etc, and Keane might instil that. I have no problem with that.
What concerns me most is our lack of tactical nous and creativity, though, and I can't see anything in his past as a manager to suggest he'll sort that out.
It's like getting your car tuned (do people still get cars tuned? I doubt it) whilst ignoring the four flat tyres you've got.
I think the analogy would work better the other way round, the tyres are sound except the ones at the back need replacing. The engine needs attention as it lacks any sort of power.
And it's a Montego :-(
He's a thuggish, arrogant arsehole who was never that damn good as a player anyway, and was described by a very friendly BBC report when it looked like he might be taking over at Celtic as 'not known as a coach, nor as the sort of manager to improve a team tactically'. What precisely does he do, in that case?
Or perhaps a more salient question would be why does Lambert appear so fond of appointing people with thuggery and violence so prominent in their personalities? This isn't a trait I want at the club, not anywhere near it.
Wow, I thought you were a brilliant light of Heroes and Villains, but now I see you just make things up! My, who would have guessed.
With one careless owner.And there's no steering wheel.I appreciate the importance of them being pumped and up for it, full of aggression and willing to run through walls etc, etc, and Keane might instil that. I have no problem with that.
What concerns me most is our lack of tactical nous and creativity, though, and I can't see anything in his past as a manager to suggest he'll sort that out.
It's like getting your car tuned (do people still get cars tuned? I doubt it) whilst ignoring the four flat tyres you've got.
I think the analogy would work better the other way round, the tyres are sound except the ones at the back need replacing. The engine needs attention as it lacks any sort of power.
And it's a Montego :-(
Would get in all time premier league team no question.
Would get in all time premier league team no question.
I rated Keane very highly as a player but I wouldn't have him in my all time 11.
The Irish Times slant on things, nothing too revealing.
irish times (http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer/international/roy-keane-quits-tv-punditry-adding-fuel-to-rumours-1.1819339)
hope the link works.
And Emmet Malone gets in two digs about Birmingham/Brummies, the twat.
Water off a duck's back Eamonn. As a complete aside and not wishing to hijack the thread but, last year sometime, I got into the car and tuned in to Matt Cooper (Irish Radio Media Journo) and he was interviewing some bloke, I have no idea who, about music and the Manchester influence. Birmingham got mentioned and Cooper said "did anything musical ever come out of Birmingham?" and they both giggled. I was incensed. I immediately e-mailed him when I got home, listed about twenty musical acts with Birmingham origins, informed him I wasn't impressed with his and his guest's patronising attitude and would await his apology to the Birmingham musical scene and Brummies I particular. I'm still waiting.
He […..] was never that damn good as a player anyway…..
I'm not sure what to make of it to be honest. Is this a Lerner appointment or a Lambert appointment? Does this mean Lambert will be the manager next season? Does this mean Lerner will be the owner next season? If the answer to the last 2 questions is "not sure" then we shouldn't be appointing a new assistant should we? Unless it is on a rolling or temporary contract. It seems shambolic to me, much like a lot of things at the end of last season.
and it's an 'L' not a Vanden Plas model. Or should that be Vanden Plaar?With one careless owner.And there's no steering wheel.I appreciate the importance of them being pumped and up for it, full of aggression and willing to run through walls etc, etc, and Keane might instil that. I have no problem with that.
What concerns me most is our lack of tactical nous and creativity, though, and I can't see anything in his past as a manager to suggest he'll sort that out.
It's like getting your car tuned (do people still get cars tuned? I doubt it) whilst ignoring the four flat tyres you've got.
I think the analogy would work better the other way round, the tyres are sound except the ones at the back need replacing. The engine needs attention as it lacks any sort of power.
And it's a Montego :-(
the scary thing is , even at 42 , he would look so much better in our team than a fit KEA or Sylla nowHe'd still look better if he was 72.
the scary thing is , even at 42 , he would look so much better in our team than a fit KEA or Sylla nowHe'd still look better if he was 72.
Ok, just to explain, we have to remember that the Premier League wasn't as good technically back then, and in my view a lot of players looked better than they should have done because the league wasn't as good as it thought it was (viz. Cantona - league-winning star here, non-entity internationally - or the entire England team).
He had great games in him, like Beckham or Gerrard or even someone like Gattuso (he was obviously better than Gattuso, just using him as an example of players with match-winning performances in them), and was a very good player in many ways, and I accept Hilts' point entirely about their being more than one way to be a great player. However, I think history's been kind to him because of when his career fell in the grand scheme of things, and while he was respected internationally there's no way he ranks with the great global midfielders of the age like Zidane (obviously, no shame in that) or Nedved. He was as good as, say, Dunga, but not better. This is obviously just my opinion - others are available.
As a manager, however, he's shown himself to be about average-to-terrible, whatever good points he may have thoroughly outweighed by the usual nastiness, petulance and by the quite surprising incompetence tactically and stylistically. Adding in the horrible stuff from his time as a player, and I hope that he never comes near Villa Park.
A couple of things that have crossed my mind. We are all judging Keane on his ability as an Assistant Manager based on his managerial record. There's plenty of evidence in the game to suggest that a good assistant doesn't always become a good manager, or that a bad manager doesn't automatically translate to that person being a bad assistant or coach. What we don't know with Keane is under what terms (contract/definition of duties) he would be joining the club, and if indeed it is as assistant manager, then how good he will be in that capacity? Irrespective of what we know of him as a manager, he might be perfectly fine in a more limited capacity as an assistant.Were there not accusations of some bullying at Blunderland?
The other thing is to call him a bully as a coach or manager isn't accurate. To the best of my knowledge that isn't something that he has been accused of as a coach or manager. He's been accused of intimidating or confrontational but that's who was as a player, and who he is as a person. It's very different though to define someone as a bully, which is something Karsa and Culverhouse got fired for. You can be aggressive, demanding and intimidating without crossing the line into being a bully.
My concern with Keane is his ability as a coach, his tactics, methods etc but in reality my judgement is also clouded by what he has done as a manager. He might be a perfectly good Assistant Manager, we just don't know.
Finally as for his playing ability, he was superb, and a player and leader any team in the world would have wanted while at his peak.
Dressing room problems at Sunderland and Ipswich were heavily publicised. Conjecture of course, but it is fairly clear that Keane won't hold back for anyone and demands levels which were probably beyond the squads at his disposal. Certainly that would be the case here.A couple of things that have crossed my mind. We are all judging Keane on his ability as an Assistant Manager based on his managerial record. There's plenty of evidence in the game to suggest that a good assistant doesn't always become a good manager, or that a bad manager doesn't automatically translate to that person being a bad assistant or coach. What we don't know with Keane is under what terms (contract/definition of duties) he would be joining the club, and if indeed it is as assistant manager, then how good he will be in that capacity? Irrespective of what we know of him as a manager, he might be perfectly fine in a more limited capacity as an assistant.Were there not accusations of some bullying at Blunderland?
The other thing is to call him a bully as a coach or manager isn't accurate. To the best of my knowledge that isn't something that he has been accused of as a coach or manager. He's been accused of intimidating or confrontational but that's who was as a player, and who he is as a person. It's very different though to define someone as a bully, which is something Karsa and Culverhouse got fired for. You can be aggressive, demanding and intimidating without crossing the line into being a bully.
My concern with Keane is his ability as a coach, his tactics, methods etc but in reality my judgement is also clouded by what he has done as a manager. He might be a perfectly good Assistant Manager, we just don't know.
Finally as for his playing ability, he was superb, and a player and leader any team in the world would have wanted while at his peak.
A couple of things that have crossed my mind. We are all judging Keane on his ability as an Assistant Manager based on his managerial record. There's plenty of evidence in the game to suggest that a good assistant doesn't always become a good manager, or that a bad manager doesn't automatically translate to that person being a bad assistant or coach. What we don't know with Keane is under what terms (contract/definition of duties) he would be joining the club, and if indeed it is as assistant manager, then how good he will be in that capacity? Irrespective of what we know of him as a manager, he might be perfectly fine in a more limited capacity as an assistant.Were there not accusations of some bullying at Blunderland?
The other thing is to call him a bully as a coach or manager isn't accurate. To the best of my knowledge that isn't something that he has been accused of as a coach or manager. He's been accused of intimidating or confrontational but that's who was as a player, and who he is as a person. It's very different though to define someone as a bully, which is something Karsa and Culverhouse got fired for. You can be aggressive, demanding and intimidating without crossing the line into being a bully.
My concern with Keane is his ability as a coach, his tactics, methods etc but in reality my judgement is also clouded by what he has done as a manager. He might be a perfectly good Assistant Manager, we just don't know.
Finally as for his playing ability, he was superb, and a player and leader any team in the world would have wanted while at his peak.
Dressing room problems at Sunderland and Ipswich were heavily publicised. Conjecture of course, but it is fairly clear that Keane won't hold back for anyone and demands levels which were probably beyond the squads at his disposal. Certainly that would be the case here.A couple of things that have crossed my mind. We are all judging Keane on his ability as an Assistant Manager based on his managerial record. There's plenty of evidence in the game to suggest that a good assistant doesn't always become a good manager, or that a bad manager doesn't automatically translate to that person being a bad assistant or coach. What we don't know with Keane is under what terms (contract/definition of duties) he would be joining the club, and if indeed it is as assistant manager, then how good he will be in that capacity? Irrespective of what we know of him as a manager, he might be perfectly fine in a more limited capacity as an assistant.Were there not accusations of some bullying at Blunderland?
The other thing is to call him a bully as a coach or manager isn't accurate. To the best of my knowledge that isn't something that he has been accused of as a coach or manager. He's been accused of intimidating or confrontational but that's who was as a player, and who he is as a person. It's very different though to define someone as a bully, which is something Karsa and Culverhouse got fired for. You can be aggressive, demanding and intimidating without crossing the line into being a bully.
My concern with Keane is his ability as a coach, his tactics, methods etc but in reality my judgement is also clouded by what he has done as a manager. He might be a perfectly good Assistant Manager, we just don't know.
Finally as for his playing ability, he was superb, and a player and leader any team in the world would have wanted while at his peak.
His performance in their CL semi away at Juventus (prior to "That Night in Barcelona") was as good a midfield performance as I've seen.Exactly right. As much as I loathe United and disliked Keane, I remember watching in awe as he single handedly dragged his team into the final by sheer force of will. Extraordinary.
Some top notch backtracking there by monty,
I wondered how he was going to come back from that one
Some top notch backtracking there by monty,
I wondered how he was going to come back from that one
Monty is a high quality poster, I'm surprised he's let that one out. Schoolboy error that.
A couple of things that have crossed my mind. We are all judging Keane on his ability as an Assistant Manager based on his managerial record. There's plenty of evidence in the game to suggest that a good assistant doesn't always become a good manager, or that a bad manager doesn't automatically translate to that person being a bad assistant or coach. What we don't know with Keane is under what terms (contract/definition of duties) he would be joining the club, and if indeed it is as assistant manager, then how good he will be in that capacity? Irrespective of what we know of him as a manager, he might be perfectly fine in a more limited capacity as an assistant.Were there not accusations of some bullying at Blunderland?
The other thing is to call him a bully as a coach or manager isn't accurate. To the best of my knowledge that isn't something that he has been accused of as a coach or manager. He's been accused of intimidating or confrontational but that's who was as a player, and who he is as a person. It's very different though to define someone as a bully, which is something Karsa and Culverhouse got fired for. You can be aggressive, demanding and intimidating without crossing the line into being a bully.
My concern with Keane is his ability as a coach, his tactics, methods etc but in reality my judgement is also clouded by what he has done as a manager. He might be a perfectly good Assistant Manager, we just don't know.
Finally as for his playing ability, he was superb, and a player and leader any team in the world would have wanted while at his peak.
No, it was never called bullying. Confrontations etc for sure but it happens at all clubs. Keane being who he is probably got into it more and it would have been more publicized I am sure.
Some top notch backtracking there by monty,
I wondered how he was going to come back from that one
Monty is a high quality poster, I'm surprised he's let that one out. Schoolboy error that.
Some top notch backtracking there by monty,
I wondered how he was going to come back from that one
Monty is a high quality poster, I'm surprised he's let that one out. Schoolboy error that.
The Mackems on readytogo mostly seem to like him.
Or he might get the best out of them, something the former two couldn't. Most of our lot can't seem to get the basics right, I've done my bit on throw ins, there's also concentration for the full 90 odd minutes, our lack of movement when in possession, there's loads he could help sort out having come from an environment where such was not tolerated.
The chances are he will upset a few of them, well, tough. They've been upsetting an awful lot of us for a few seasons now, something has to change and if it needs more stick than carrot so be it.
Or he might get the best out of them, something the former two couldn't. Most of our lot can't seem to get the basics right, I've done my bit on throw ins, there's also concentration for the full 90 odd minutes, our lack of movement when in possession, there's loads he could help sort out having come from an environment where such was not tolerated.
The chances are he will upset a few of them, well, tough. They've been upsetting an awful lot of us for a few seasons now, something has to change and if it needs more stick than carrot so be it.
The problem is, all those things can be improved by coaching and practicing rather than just shouting and scaring the players. Furthermore, if the rumours are to be believed, Karsa and Culverhouse have already tried the angry-shouty-man approach and it's not worked.
Players, like Westwood, have become worse not better since they joined. This might be because they're scared of making mistakes, fearing the bollocking they'll receive if they makes a mistake. The whole hoof it forward thing could arguably attributed to this as the 'get rid' option is a lot easier than trying to thread a risky pass.
Or he might get the best out of them, something the former two couldn't. Most of our lot can't seem to get the basics right, I've done my bit on throw ins, there's also concentration for the full 90 odd minutes, our lack of movement when in possession, there's loads he could help sort out having come from an environment where such was not tolerated.
The chances are he will upset a few of them, well, tough. They've been upsetting an awful lot of us for a few seasons now, something has to change and if it needs more stick than carrot so be it.
The problem is, all those things can be improved by coaching and practicing rather than just shouting and scaring the players. Furthermore, if the rumours are to be believed, Karsa and Culverhouse have already tried the angry-shouty-man approach and it's not worked.
Players, like Westwood, have become worse not better since they joined. This might be because they're scared of making mistakes, fearing the bollocking they'll receive if they makes a mistake. The whole hoof it forward thing could arguably attributed to this as the 'get rid' option is a lot easier than trying to thread a risky pass.
Most players can accept being shouted at. It has existed in football since the it started and there is a difference between shouting and bullying. Also, some players need that approach if it is channeled correctly and others need to be handled differently.
Or he might get the best out of them, something the former two couldn't. Most of our lot can't seem to get the basics right, I've done my bit on throw ins, there's also concentration for the full 90 odd minutes, our lack of movement when in possession, there's loads he could help sort out having come from an environment where such was not tolerated.
The chances are he will upset a few of them, well, tough. They've been upsetting an awful lot of us for a few seasons now, something has to change and if it needs more stick than carrot so be it.
The problem is, all those things can be improved by coaching and practicing rather than just shouting and scaring the players. Furthermore, if the rumours are to be believed, Karsa and Culverhouse have already tried the angry-shouty-man approach and it's not worked.
Players, like Westwood, have become worse not better since they joined. This might be because they're scared of making mistakes, fearing the bollocking they'll receive if they makes a mistake. The whole hoof it forward thing could arguably attributed to this as the 'get rid' option is a lot easier than trying to thread a risky pass.
Most players can accept being shouted at. It has existed in football since the it started and there is a difference between shouting and bullying. Also, some players need that approach if it is channeled correctly and others need to be handled differently.
Or he might get the best out of them, something the former two couldn't. Most of our lot can't seem to get the basics right, I've done my bit on throw ins, there's also concentration for the full 90 odd minutes, our lack of movement when in possession, there's loads he could help sort out having come from an environment where such was not tolerated.
The chances are he will upset a few of them, well, tough. They've been upsetting an awful lot of us for a few seasons now, something has to change and if it needs more stick than carrot so be it.
The problem is, all those things can be improved by coaching and practicing rather than just shouting and scaring the players. Furthermore, if the rumours are to be believed, Karsa and Culverhouse have already tried the angry-shouty-man approach and it's not worked.
Players, like Westwood, have become worse not better since they joined. This might be because they're scared of making mistakes, fearing the bollocking they'll receive if they makes a mistake. The whole hoof it forward thing could arguably attributed to this as the 'get rid' option is a lot easier than trying to thread a risky pass.
Most players can accept being shouted at. It has existed in football since the it started and there is a difference between shouting and bullying. Also, some players need that approach if it is channeled correctly and others need to be handled differently.
Agree. But with a management partnership of Lambert and Keane it's very much bad cop / badder cop. Somewhere in the coaching armoury - and typically in the manager/assistant dymamic - I think you also need a coach who can also encourage the more sensitive players. Furthermore neither, on face value, seem the sort of coaches that would be fun to work with.
To me the balance of that coaching partnership is not right unless the individuals are very different to their media personalities.
Agreed. If we were going the 'personality' coach route, I'd sooner have Steve Harrison back.
He'd lighten the mood if nothing else. We've tried the opposite end of the scale, and we all know what happened there.
Personally, I think our lot need extensive drills on short passing, creating space and keeping some sort of defensive shape (double shifts, if needs be). Not some twat on the sidelines shouting obscenities at them.
Agreed. If we were going the 'personality' coach route, I'd sooner have Steve Harrison back.
He'd lighten the mood if nothing else. We've tried the opposite end of the scale, and we all know what happened there.
Personally, I think our lot need extensive drills on short passing, creating space and keeping some sort of defensive shape (double shifts, if needs be). Not some twat on the sidelines shouting obscenities at them.
Roy put the fear of God into Benteke if he thought he was looking disinterested!....and as for Darren..well!
Agreed. If we were going the 'personality' coach route, I'd sooner have Steve Harrison back.
He'd lighten the mood if nothing else. We've tried the opposite end of the scale, and we all know what happened there.
Personally, I think our lot need extensive drills on short passing, creating space and keeping some sort of defensive shape (double shifts, if needs be). Not some twat on the sidelines shouting obscenities at them.
That to me is the problem the mood is to light for my liking. As has been said there is a philosophy at the club that losing is somehow no real bad thing. It's evident in what we are watching week in week out. Lapses in concentration, goals conceded in the last minuets of every other game, sauntering around, I could go on.
I don't think we're that bad that a couple of signings and our injured players returning to the fold couldn't get us into the top 10. A winning mentality drilled into the players could go a long way in achieving that.
The whole Vierra tunnel incident leads me to believe that Keane is no bully and has no time for it.
We've lost 2 coaches, so surely there will be 2 coming in. Keane is your typical assistant manager, the number two that gets amongst the players - John Robertson type. We'd still need a top coach in if he came.
We've lost 2 coaches, so surely there will be 2 coming in. Keane is your typical assistant manager, the number two that gets amongst the players - John Robertson type. We'd still need a top coach in if he came.
Bibs and Cones was his nickname wasn't it?
On the point of Keane being a suggested bully. Didn't he spend the majority of his playing career being managed by two of the biggest bullies in the game? Some of it may just have rubbed off, who knows?It's a whole different ball game compared to the Cloughie era. Even Fergie had mellowed in the post Keano years at Utd too.
On the point of Keane being a suggested bully. Didn't he spend the majority of his playing career being managed by two of the biggest bullies in the game? Some of it may just have rubbed off, who knows?
Some top notch backtracking there by monty,
I wondered how he was going to come back from that one
Monty is a high quality poster, I'm surprised he's let that one out. Schoolboy error that.
Dressing room problems at Sunderland and Ipswich were heavily publicised. Conjecture of course, but it is fairly clear that Keane won't hold back for anyone and demands levels which were probably beyond the squads at his disposal. Certainly that would be the case here.A couple of things that have crossed my mind. We are all judging Keane on his ability as an Assistant Manager based on his managerial record. There's plenty of evidence in the game to suggest that a good assistant doesn't always become a good manager, or that a bad manager doesn't automatically translate to that person being a bad assistant or coach. What we don't know with Keane is under what terms (contract/definition of duties) he would be joining the club, and if indeed it is as assistant manager, then how good he will be in that capacity? Irrespective of what we know of him as a manager, he might be perfectly fine in a more limited capacity as an assistant.Were there not accusations of some bullying at Blunderland?
The other thing is to call him a bully as a coach or manager isn't accurate. To the best of my knowledge that isn't something that he has been accused of as a coach or manager. He's been accused of intimidating or confrontational but that's who was as a player, and who he is as a person. It's very different though to define someone as a bully, which is something Karsa and Culverhouse got fired for. You can be aggressive, demanding and intimidating without crossing the line into being a bully.
My concern with Keane is his ability as a coach, his tactics, methods etc but in reality my judgement is also clouded by what he has done as a manager. He might be a perfectly good Assistant Manager, we just don't know.
Finally as for his playing ability, he was superb, and a player and leader any team in the world would have wanted while at his peak.
We've lost 2 coaches, so surely there will be 2 coming in. Keane is your typical assistant manager, the number two that gets amongst the players - John Robertson type. We'd still need a top coach in if he came.
Yeah, this is a good point.
As it stands, the idea of going into the season under Lambert and Keane fills me with dread.
Adding a renowned coach and tactician however, might well be the final piece of a functional and complimentary management team. Maybe?
Some earlier poster mentioned that his contacts might help us in the transfer market.
For the love of McGrath, I hope he would have absolutely no input into that side of things at all.
He spunked a phenomenal amount of money at Slumberland on some absolute tat.
Some earlier poster mentioned that his contacts might help us in the transfer market.I expect that we'll have Carlos Edwards, Daryl Murphy and Grant Leadbitter in the squad by the end of the summer.
For the love of McGrath, I hope he would have absolutely no input into that side of things at all.
He spunked a phenomenal amount of money at Slumberland on some absolute tat.
Some top notch backtracking there by monty,
I wondered how he was going to come back from that one
Monty is a high quality poster, I'm surprised he's let that one out. Schoolboy error that.
He is and he's allowed a slip every so often. We all have weak moments. God knows I've had plenty.
On the bright side, maybe if his role is entirely in coaching, he'll be prevented from influencing the repeat of some of the major, major transfer bollocks he dropped at Sunderland.
In fact, maybe he's going to be told "make our midfield good, and stay away from everything else".
Some top notch backtracking there by monty,
I wondered how he was going to come back from that one
Monty is a high quality poster, I'm surprised he's let that one out. Schoolboy error that.
He is and he's allowed a slip every so often. We all have weak moments. God knows I've had plenty.
I still think he's overrated. There, I said it. People act like he was the second coming as a player, whereas he was a fantastic captain in a driving-on sense, a pretty good player and a disciplinary liability in what was a much weaker league than we have now. Like Cantona - he was a god up at United but nobody in Europe could really give a shit
Some top notch backtracking there by monty,
I wondered how he was going to come back from that one
Monty is a high quality poster, I'm surprised he's let that one out. Schoolboy error that.
He is and he's allowed a slip every so often. We all have weak moments. God knows I've had plenty.
I still think he's overrated. There, I said it. People act like he was the second coming as a player, whereas he was a fantastic captain in a driving-on sense, a pretty good player and a disciplinary liability in what was a much weaker league than we have now. Like Cantona - he was a god up at United but nobody in Europe could really give a shit.
Anyway, more seriously, I still want to know why, with Culverhouse and Karsa and now Keane, Lambert is so intent on having assistants known for what might kindly be called no-nonsense (really, why are his only friends thugs and bullies?).
I'd also disagree that it was a "much weaker league than we have now." I think the likes of Ronaldo, Bergkamp, Zola and co would have something to say about it.Yeah I think the Prem has got worse in the last 10 years. We're not blessed with quite as many standout, world class players as years gone by. Even then they tend to find the grass is a bit greener and fudge off to Spain.
I'd also disagree that it was a "much weaker league than we have now." I think the likes of Ronaldo, Bergkamp, Zola and co would have something to say about it.Yeah I think the Prem has got worse in the last 10 years. We're not blessed with quite as many standout, world class players as years gone by. Even then they tend to find the grass is a bit greener and fudge off to Spain.
The lower end sides are a lot worse than they used to be too.
The reality of the situation is that we've no idea how Keane shapes up as a coach.
Just because he was aggressive on the pitch, doesn't mean he'd be a nutcase off it.
I'd also disagree that it was a "much weaker league than we have now." I think the likes of Ronaldo, Bergkamp, Zola and co would have something to say about it.Yeah I think the Prem has got worse in the last 10 years. We're not blessed with quite as many standout, world class players as years gone by. Even then they tend to find the grass is a bit greener and fudge off to Spain.
The lower end sides are a lot worse than they used to be too.
I doubt we will see that a midfield with such balance, talent, determination, skill as that ManUre team of late 97-03.Ferguson bought a lot more players in an attempt to bring in a replacement for the aging Keane. I recall Djemba and his lesser known brother Djemba were supposed to be the new Roy Keane too. Kleberson as well, and probably a few other forgotten men.
The whole package.
When the hero worshipped England Captain (Beckham) is the 4th best player in a midfield then you have something special.
Keane was so good Ferguson bought 2 players to replace him (Hargreaves and Carrick).
The reality of the situation is that we've no idea how Keane shapes up as a coach.
Given that he has worked under Clough and Ferguson as his managers and coaches like Kidd, McLaren, Phelan and Quieroz, I'd say he's got a pretty good idea about how to do the job. He's clearly fairly intelligent and knows the game well.
Just because he was aggressive on the pitch, doesn't mean he'd be a nutcase off it.
I'd also doubt that MON would tolerate an idiot in his midst, and certainly not someone that would cock it up for him either.
Ferguson spent millions and millions of pounds trying to replace Keane and Scholes as they got on in years, and never got anywhere near it. Both absolutely fantastic players.
Ferguson spent millions and millions of pounds trying to replace Keane and Scholes as they got on in years, and never got anywhere near it. Both absolutely fantastic players.
Ain't that the truth,
and they still haven't done it, maybe never will
Ferguson spent millions and millions of pounds trying to replace Keane and Scholes as they got on in years, and never got anywhere near it. Both absolutely fantastic players.
Ain't that the truth,
and they still haven't done it, maybe never will
Ferguson spent millions and millions of pounds trying to replace Keane and Scholes as they got on in years, and never got anywhere near it. Both absolutely fantastic players.
Ain't that the truth,
and they still haven't done it, maybe never will
Scholes is easily one of my favourite players of the PL era.
For me Keane is simply too much of a risk at the moment. When the going got tough at Sunderland he hooked it after spending upwards of 80m leaving Sunderland in the bottom three. According to media reports the Sunderland players then celebrated when Keane left.
He then went to Ipswich presiding over 19th in the Championship after 20 months at the helm before being sacked.
We desperately need cool heads and a sense of stability at the moment when almost certainly facing another relegation battle next season without a new owner and Keane's attitude of not suffering fools gladly will not argue well with a squad of players bereft of any real quality apart from Benteke who won't be fit for the start of next season anyway.
We've already seen how our squad reacted to ruling by fear from the previous two coaches.
Moreover I'm also concerned how Keane would react to criticism from the Villa faithful on match day if you remember his comments concerning the Sunderland fans around the dugout.
Consequently I am as worried about this probable appointment as I was with Lambert's with the only positive being that Keane might attract one or two better players on loan who otherwise wouldn't come to us in the present circumstances.
Ferguson spent millions and millions of pounds trying to replace Keane and Scholes as they got on in years, and never got anywhere near it. Both absolutely fantasticmaybe oneill is trying to ditch him quietly? Celtic job comes up... I won't stand in his way. Rumours of villa no.2 job.... Have a go Roy, you know it makes sense.. Big club etc, etc.The reality of the situation is that we've no idea how Keane shapes up as a coach.
Given that he has worked under Clough and Ferguson as his managers and coaches like Kidd, McLaren, Phelan and Quieroz, I'd say he's got a pretty good idea about how to do the job. He's clearly fairly intelligent and knows the game well.
Just because he was aggressive on the pitch, doesn't mean he'd be a nutcase off it.
I'd also doubt that MON would tolerate an idiot in his midst, and certainly not someone that would cock it up for him either.
Agree with that and made the same point earlier. We cannot base our knowledge of him as an assistant purely on what we know of him as a player or manager.
I doubt we will see that a midfield with such balance, talent, determination, skill as that ManUre team of late 97-03.Ferguson bought a lot more players in an attempt to bring in a replacement for the aging Keane. I recall Djemba and his lesser known brother Djemba were supposed to be the new Roy Keane too. Kleberson as well, and probably a few other forgotten men.
The whole package.
When the hero worshipped England Captain (Beckham) is the 4th best player in a midfield then you have something special.
Keane was so good Ferguson bought 2 players to replace him (Hargreaves and Carrick).
And to this day they've still not replaced that presence. Nor Scholes.
Ditto Viera at Arsenal. Has never been adequately replaced.
Some earlier poster mentioned that his contacts might help us in the transfer market.
For the love of McGrath, I hope he would have absolutely no input into that side of things at all.
He spunked a phenomenal amount of money at Slumberland on some absolute tat.
I'd also disagree that it was a "much weaker league than we have now." I think the likes of Ronaldo, Bergkamp, Zola and co would have something to say about it.Yeah I think the Prem has got worse in the last 10 years. We're not blessed with quite as many standout, world class players as years gone by. Even then they tend to find the grass is a bit greener and fudge off to Spain.
The lower end sides are a lot worse than they used to be too.
This is a genuine question, because I honestly don't remember the same level of scrutiny being applied say, 15 years ago, but when did we all start giving a shit about who the assistant manager was? Apologies if everyone always did, obviously.When it was Roy Keane.
This is a genuine question, because I honestly don't remember the same level of scrutiny being applied say, 15 years ago, but when did we all start giving a shit about who the assistant manager was? Apologies if everyone always did, obviously.
This is a genuine question, because I honestly don't remember the same level of scrutiny being applied say, 15 years ago, but when did we all start giving a shit about who the assistant manager was? Apologies if everyone always did, obviously.
This is a genuine question, because I honestly don't remember the same level of scrutiny being applied say, 15 years ago, but when did we all start giving a shit about who the assistant manager was? Apologies if everyone always did, obviously.
Who'd give a shit about Roy Aitken, Gary McAllister, Peter Grant or Ian Culverhouse? I think the last decent assistant manager we had was John Gregory - who was better as a No.2 under Little than when he came back as manager.
This is a genuine question, because I honestly don't remember the same level of scrutiny being applied say, 15 years ago, but when did we all start giving a shit about who the assistant manager was? Apologies if everyone always did, obviously.
This is a genuine question, because I honestly don't remember the same level of scrutiny being applied say, 15 years ago, but when did we all start giving a shit about who the assistant manager was? Apologies if everyone always did, obviously.
This is a genuine question, because I honestly don't remember the same level of scrutiny being applied say, 15 years ago, but when did we all start giving a shit about who the assistant manager was? Apologies if everyone always did, obviously.
Around the time sites like this developed which meant people having to find things to moan about for 24 hours a day. Up to that point we only had limited moaning opportunities, perhaps during a break at work or an hour or two in the pub so had to make the most of them ;-)
This is a genuine question, because I honestly don't remember the same level of scrutiny being applied say, 15 years ago, but when did we all start giving a shit about who the assistant manager was? Apologies if everyone always did, obviously.
Around the time sites like this developed which meant people having to find things to moan about for 24 hours a day. Up to that point we only had limited moaning opportunities, perhaps during a break at work or an hour or two in the pub so had to make the most of them ;-)
The letters page in the Argus
This is a genuine question, because I honestly don't remember the same level of scrutiny being applied say, 15 years ago, but when did we all start giving a shit about who the assistant manager was? Apologies if everyone always did, obviously.
This is a genuine question, because I honestly don't remember the same level of scrutiny being applied say, 15 years ago, but when did we all start giving a shit about who the assistant manager was? Apologies if everyone always did, obviously.
Who'd give a shit about Roy Aitken, Gary McAllister, Peter Grant or Ian Culverhouse? I think the last decent assistant manager we had was John Gregory - who was better as a No.2 under Little than when he came back as manager.
He was number three. Allan Evans was two.
This is a genuine question, because I honestly don't remember the same level of scrutiny being applied say, 15 years ago, but when did we all start giving a shit about who the assistant manager was? Apologies if everyone always did, obviously.
Around the time sites like this developed which meant people having to find things to moan about for 24 hours a day. Up to that point we only had limited moaning opportunities, perhaps during a break at work or an hour or two in the pub so had to make the most of them ;-)
The letters page in the Argus
Tom Ross.
Waiting outside the Post and Evening Dispatch offices for telegrams of the Cup Final score. Showing my age a bit there.
This is a genuine question, because I honestly don't remember the same level of scrutiny being applied say, 15 years ago, but when did we all start giving a shit about who the assistant manager was? Apologies if everyone always did, obviously.
I was there when we won the league and European cup, I was 20 years old,
i honestly don't think i knew who our owner was at the time, and whats more i didn't care
how things change
Coaching people requires bonding with them, gaining their total respect before pushing them to be better, forcing them to try harder, and always giving them the cold hard truth.
I never saw this coming I must admit. I dont know why it's looked as an odd move or why it's looked on as a negative? He was a fantastic midfielder, a winner and has played with and for some brilliant coaches. He's dabbled in management and has never really left the game.
To be honest I think it's a fantastic move for us. I still really like Lambert and generally think he can be a good manager for someone somewhere. Here though everything from the Bomb squad scenario, buying too many budget signings, his coaching staff cockup made it all too much for him. If Keane can help and another good coach comes in and breath life into the squad Lambert could still come good for us.
I never saw this coming I must admit. I dont know why it's looked as an odd move or why it's looked on as a negative? He was a fantastic midfielder, a winner and has played with and for some brilliant coaches. He's dabbled in management and has never really left the game.
To be honest I think it's a fantastic move for us. I still really like Lambert and generally think he can be a good manager for someone somewhere. Here though everything from the Bomb squad scenario, buying too many budget signings, his coaching staff cockup made it all too much for him. If Keane can help and another good coach comes in and breath life into the squad Lambert could still come good for us.
An extremely positive outlook.
Not one I share currently.
No internet back in the day never stopped me moaning all the time and everywhere. I did what Norman Bates did. I had and still have long and heated rows with myself. I could fill an evening with rant and counter rant about Billy Myerscough.
No internet back in the day never stopped me moaning all the time and everywhere. I did what Norman Bates did. I had and still have long and heated rows with myself. I could fill an evening with rant and counter rant about Billy Myerscough.
At least there should be some desire and will to improve what's in front of him. Seems Culverhouse was happy to turn up, bollock people, see no progress and then bugger off home again. Can't see Keane being happy to do that.
I've been told he's agreed terms. Hope it's false information.
I've been told he's agreed terms. Hope it's false information.
Amazingly I'll be a bit disappointed if he doesn't come now,
If only that it will make things a bit more interesting and liven things up a bit
I've been told he's agreed terms. Hope it's false information.
Amazingly I'll be a bit disappointed if he doesn't come now,
If only that it will make things a bit more interesting and liven things up a bit
I know what you mean, John, I am feeling very similar about it, mentally.
I've been told he's agreed terms. Hope it's false information.
Amazingly I'll be a bit disappointed if he doesn't come now,
If only that it will make things a bit more interesting and liven things up a bit
I know what you mean, John, I am feeling very similar about it, mentally.
I've gone so far as to stick it up my bollocks.What you do in the privacy of your own home ... and all that.
I've been told he's agreed terms. Hope it's false information.Now we are ****ed.
The question is, after his management career, does he still hold the kudos he had as a player? If he does, then bring him in as assistant. It'd be a good idea. If not, and he gets no respect, then I don't see the point.I think he'll always command respect (or perhaps abject fear...) even despite his managerial record. I'm not sure we have any players with the sort of personality or arrogance who'd challenge Keane's authority.
How will his comments gel with Lamberts? After a dull 3-0 defeat we get the usual '' I thought we we're fantastic, I really did'', Keane's more likely to come out with a shotgun looking for a fight.I'd love to see them being interviewed post match at the same time.
I've been told he's agreed terms. Hope it's false information.I hope your right. This can only be a good and positive move.
This Culverhouse/Keane comparison. Wasn't Culverhouse supposed to be bullying dinner ladies etc? At least Keane (I think) sticks to bullying grown men.How does one bully a dinner lady? "Give me some more mung bean salad or I'll rip your tabard!"
I don't think Roy Keane is a bully as such, just a nutjob who would take anyone on because he feels that way inclined. I can imagine him head butting a JCB.
I don't think Roy Keane is a bully as such, just a nutjob who would take anyone on because he feels that way inclined. I can imagine him head butting a JCB.
I don't think Roy Keane is a bully as such, just a nutjob who would take anyone on because he feels that way inclined. I can imagine him head butting a JCB.
my lad who has been in plenty of scraps always says, its not the big guys you have to worry about its the nutters no matter what size they are
I just can't see this ending well. Something will kick off at some stage early on in the season.It pains me to say it but I agree with you.
If I was a young player and Roy Keane offered me some advice, I'd shut up and listen.
I just can't see this ending well. Something will kick off at some stage early on in the season.It pains me to say it but I agree with you.
It must be hard to motivate players at our level or at our club specifically these days. They are secure in their contracts so get paid however they play. The examples of Ireland, Hutton etc all 'bombed' out yet still getting paid loads isn't a good one for young players. What's the worst that Keane can do? Shout at them a bit loud?
I forget about the money side of things but remind myself occasionally: Nathan Delfounso, £40k a week for the last 4 years, £8 million,now secure for life yet contribution to AVFC .....Fxxx all. Do you really think he would have cared if some fella yelled at him?
The 110% days have gone. We need better players, who earn more sadly, but the standards get raised, not because they try any harder, they're just better players. These days you get what you pay for. Chelsea and Citeh prove that.
If I was a young player and Roy Keane offered me some advice, I'd shut up and listen.
Absolutely. He's been there and done it.
What about when Diego Maradona tries to give you advice? Or Pele?
Far from the best players giving the best advice, sometimes the fact that it was so easy for them makes them among the worst coaches around. The frustration at players just not being able to do what they could often sets a barrier between them and the players. Of the real greats, only Beckenbauer and Cruyff also made good coaches.
Please tell me we never paid Delfoneouso 40k per week? I am reeling.
Please tell me we never paid Delfoneouso 40k per week? I am reeling.
I find it hard to believe.
However, the bloke who used to sit next to me had a few connections with players, through his daughter, who by the sounds of it was a bit of a wannabe wag, and knew plenty of them.
I remember him telling me that Ciaran Clark had just signed a new contract - this was the Houllier season - and he was on 40k a week.
Please tell me we never paid Delfoneouso 40k per week? I am reeling.
What about when Diego Maradona tries to give you advice? Or Pele?
Far from the best players giving the best advice, sometimes the fact that it was so easy for them makes them among the worst coaches around. The frustration at players just not being able to do what they could often sets a barrier between them and the players. Of the real greats, only Beckenbauer and Cruyff also made good coaches.
What about when Diego Maradona tries to give you advice? Or Pele?
Far from the best players giving the best advice, sometimes the fact that it was so easy for them makes them among the worst coaches around. The frustration at players just not being able to do what they could often sets a barrier between them and the players. Of the real greats, only Beckenbauer and Cruyff also made good coaches.
So what about when a manager who was never much of a player gives advise to a great player? Why does that work? Why should that player ever listen especially if he thinks the manager can never appreciate that level of play. Couldn't that also be a barrier for some? Ultimately it's communication and the transfer of ideas. Just as Ancellotti, a really excellent player has done it, so has Mourinho and Ferguson. Some people are just very good at understanding the game, tactics, strategy and conveying a message and others not so. I don't think there is a definite rule one way or another.
I remember the hooha when Keane was given a new contract of 50K (or 60K) a week as it was the highest in the country at the time. And he had a number of earning years after that.
I'd be amazed if Clark or Fonz were on £40K. And yet, at the same time, I wouldn't. But I don't think they were. Although the fact it's even remotely believable shows how bad we fucked some things up. Does all that make sense?
What about when Diego Maradona tries to give you advice? Or Pele?
Far from the best players giving the best advice, sometimes the fact that it was so easy for them makes them among the worst coaches around. The frustration at players just not being able to do what they could often sets a barrier between them and the players. Of the real greats, only Beckenbauer and Cruyff also made good coaches.
So what about when a manager who was never much of a player gives advise to a great player? Why does that work? Why should that player ever listen especially if he thinks the manager can never appreciate that level of play. Couldn't that also be a barrier for some? Ultimately it's communication and the transfer of ideas. Just as Ancellotti, a really excellent player has done it, so has Mourinho and Ferguson. Some people are just very good at understanding the game, tactics, strategy and conveying a message and others not so. I don't think there is a definite rule one way or another.
Err, aren't you just making the same point as Monty did?
That there's no point in pointing out Keane's record as a player as it's really not that relevant?
Is Hoolahop really worth the hassle?
Is Hoolahop really worth the hassle?Relative to the current crop? - probably, yes.
I remember the hooha when Keane was given a new contract of 50K (or 60K) a week as it was the highest in the country at the time. And he had a number of earning years after that.
I'd be amazed if Clark or Fonz were on £40K. And yet, at the same time, I wouldn't. But I don't think they were. Although the fact it's even remotely believable shows how bad we fucked some things up. Does all that make sense?
Footballer mortgages are complicated apparently and are usually for the term of their contracts. Tough life eh!It's the same for most professional sportsmen. If you're not likely to be doing your job when you're 50 years old then you'll find it hard for somebody to lend you money until that age.
I kind of admire the balls of Lambert in bringing in someone like Keane as number 2. Brave move in many ways.
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/382714/EXCLUSIVE-Aston-Villa-to-name-Keane-as-Lambert-s-No-2-and-then-step-up-bid-for-Hoolahan
I, for once, hope that The Daily Star is right.
Please tell me we never paid Delfoneouso 40k per week? I am reeling.
I find it hard to believe.
However, the bloke who used to sit next to me had a few connections with players, through his daughter, who by the sounds of it was a bit of a wannabe wag, and knew plenty of them.
I remember him telling me that Ciaran Clark had just signed a new contract - this was the Houllier season - and he was on 40k a week.
I recall hearing that generation of youngens, Clark, Fonzie, Bannan, Alby were on somewhere in the 20k region. That's still pretty silly given how much they'd actually played at the point we gave them those deals.Please tell me we never paid Delfoneouso 40k per week? I am reeling.
I find it hard to believe.
However, the bloke who used to sit next to me had a few connections with players, through his daughter, who by the sounds of it was a bit of a wannabe wag, and knew plenty of them.
I remember him telling me that Ciaran Clark had just signed a new contract - this was the Houllier season - and he was on 40k a week.
The figure I heard was slightly less, but in thst ball park.
I kind of admire the balls of Lambert in bringing in someone like Keane as number 2. Brave move in many ways.
Has he though or has he been coerced into the arrangment?
As a thought how is Keane going to get on with Paul Faulkner (who knows fa about football)... the conversation won't last long!
If they dont know each other - then it is a stranger appointment than I first thought.
No it's Keane and Lambert if you look at even things in the press . Lambert did quote saying he didn't know Keane but received a call from him as supporting what he was doing and it grew from there .
No it's Keane and Lambert if you look at even things in the press . Lambert did quote saying he didn't know Keane but received a call from him as supporting what he was doing and it grew from there .
No it's Keane and Lambert if you look at even things in the press . Lambert did quote saying he didn't know Keane but received a call from him as supporting what he was doing and it grew from there .
That sounds like there's going to be no immediate change to the way he's doing things - and no takeover about to go through, either.
No it's Keane and Lambert if you look at even things in the press . Lambert did quote saying he didn't know Keane but received a call from him as supporting what he was doing and it grew from there .
That sounds like there's going to be no immediate change to the way he's doing things - and no takeover about to go through, either.
There is definately nothing on the horizon regarding a quich sale . This could drag on for 12 months forget all the talk of Lerner wanting 200 million etc that isn't correct he wants rid and is prepared to take a bath on it but no takers yet . Some early interest from Chinese but want a 6 months exclusivity period so hardly moving fast . Same guys who shown interst in West Ham
No it's Keane and Lambert if you look at even things in the press . Lambert did quote saying he didn't know Keane but received a call from him as supporting what he was doing and it grew from there .
That sounds like there's going to be no immediate change to the way he's doing things - and no takeover about to go through, either.
There is definately nothing on the horizon regarding a quich sale . This could drag on for 12 months forget all the talk of Lerner wanting 200 million etc that isn't correct he wants rid and is prepared to take a bath on it but no takers yet . Some early interest from Chinese but want a 6 months exclusivity period so hardly moving fast . Same guys who shown interst in West Ham
This place might start to get pretty gloomy after the World Cup.
This place might start to get pretty gloomy after the World Cup.
Genuine point here, but isn't it actually a fecking good job we've got the World Cup to focus on and take our minds off this?
No it's Keane and Lambert if you look at even things in the press . Lambert did quote saying he didn't know Keane but received a call from him as supporting what he was doing and it grew from there .
That sounds like there's going to be no immediate change to the way he's doing things - and no takeover about to go through, either.
There is definately nothing on the horizon regarding a quich sale . This could drag on for 12 months forget all the talk of Lerner wanting 200 million etc that isn't correct he wants rid and is prepared to take a bath on it but no takers yet . Some early interest from Chinese but want a 6 months exclusivity period so hardly moving fast . Same guys who shown interst in West Ham
No it's Keane and Lambert if you look at even things in the press . Lambert did quote saying he didn't know Keane but received a call from him as supporting what he was doing and it grew from there .
That sounds like there's going to be no immediate change to the way he's doing things - and no takeover about to go through, either.
There is definately nothing on the horizon regarding a quich sale . This could drag on for 12 months forget all the talk of Lerner wanting 200 million etc that isn't correct he wants rid and is prepared to take a bath on it but no takers yet . Some early interest from Chinese but want a 6 months exclusivity period so hardly moving fast . Same guys who shown interst in West Ham
Excuse my ignorance, but what is an 'exclusivity period'? Generally, not necessarily the specific of this case.
In my comparatively microscopic dealing with Chinese buyers they examine every aspect of any purchase forensically and will not be given the hurry up.
In my comparatively microscopic dealing with Chinese buyers they examine every aspect of any purchase forensically and will not be given the hurry up.
And don't Chinese owners always tap into their vast home markets every time they buy a club?There is no need to question mark your post as we know from our neighbour's experience that that is the case. I was in Hong Kong, Beijing, Shanghai and a couple of other Cities last year and they are a sea of blue and white!
Good.In my comparatively microscopic dealing with Chinese buyers they examine every aspect of any purchase forensically and will not be given the hurry up.
Agreed been dealing with them for 8 years and sometimes when they say Yes they mean No and vice versa . Can't see it going anywhere to be honest
Good.In my comparatively microscopic dealing with Chinese buyers they examine every aspect of any purchase forensically and will not be given the hurry up.
Agreed been dealing with them for 8 years and sometimes when they say Yes they mean No and vice versa . Can't see it going anywhere to be honest
This place might start to get pretty gloomy after the World Cup.
Genuine point here, but isn't it actually a fecking good job we've got the World Cup to focus on and take our minds off this?
It really is. Without it I'd be ignoring the sport entirely right now. Having said that, the World Cup will end and we'll crash into the drudgery of club football angst just as hard. At the moment we're just the cartoon bunny who hasn't realised he's walked off the cliff.
Not at all, love Chinese food for example. Just wouldn't want them owning avfc.Good.In my comparatively microscopic dealing with Chinese buyers they examine every aspect of any purchase forensically and will not be given the hurry up.
Agreed been dealing with them for 8 years and sometimes when they say Yes they mean No and vice versa . Can't see it going anywhere to be honest
Racist.
Not at all, love Chinese food for example. Just wouldn't want them owning avfc.Good.In my comparatively microscopic dealing with Chinese buyers they examine every aspect of any purchase forensically and will not be given the hurry up.
Agreed been dealing with them for 8 years and sometimes when they say Yes they mean No and vice versa . Can't see it going anywhere to be honest
Racist.
Not at all, love Chinese food for example. Just wouldn't want them owning avfc.Good.In my comparatively microscopic dealing with Chinese buyers they examine every aspect of any purchase forensically and will not be given the hurry up.
Agreed been dealing with them for 8 years and sometimes when they say Yes they mean No and vice versa . Can't see it going anywhere to be honest
Racist.
This place might start to get pretty gloomy after the World Cup.
Genuine point here, but isn't it actually a fecking good job we've got the World Cup to focus on and take our minds off this?
It really is. Without it I'd be ignoring the sport entirely right now. Having said that, the World Cup will end and we'll crash into the drudgery of club football angst just as hard. At the moment we're just the cartoon bunny who hasn't realised he's walked off the cliff.
I was only saying at the weekend how much I'm enjoying us not playing.
That's amazing. That's like saying 'I'm not sexist, I love my wife's cooking, I just don't think women should be in business.'
Apologies if I came across a bit Prince Phillip. Just wouldn't trust them with football ownership. They're good at lots of things but football is new to them and you just have to lido across the city. No thanks .
Some of my best friends like Chinese food.Not at all, love Chinese food for example. Just wouldn't want them owning avfc.Good.In my comparatively microscopic dealing with Chinese buyers they examine every aspect of any purchase forensically and will not be given the hurry up.
Agreed been dealing with them for 8 years and sometimes when they say Yes they mean No and vice versa . Can't see it going anywhere to be honest
Racist.
Well, that's an improvement on "Some of my best friends are Chinese", I guess.
I suppose on the up side the catering may improve .Sounds good!
A bovril and some prawn toast please
Apologies if I came across a bit Prince Phillip. Just wouldn't trust them with football ownership. They're good at lots of things but football is new to them and you just have to lido across the city. No thanks .
Apologies if I came across a bit Prince Phillip. Just wouldn't trust them with football ownership. They're good at lots of things but football is new to them and you just have to lido across the city. No thanks .
I hope people are just taking the piss. Calling someone a racist for an off the cuff comment that they would prefer not to have Chinese owners is a bit heavy handed in my view. People are very quick to jump on the race card and sometimes it gets a bit hysterical to be frank.
Apologies if I came across a bit Prince Phillip. Just wouldn't trust them with football ownership. They're good at lots of things but football is new to them and you just have to lido across the city. No thanks .
I hope people are just taking the piss. Calling someone a racist for an off the cuff comment that they would prefer not to have Chinese owners is a bit heavy handed in my view. People are very quick to jump on the race card and sometimes it gets a bit hysterical to be frank.
What if they came from Uranus?
What if they came from Uranus?
Sullivan and Gold can't own two clubs at the same time.
This place might start to get pretty gloomy after the World Cup.
Genuine point here, but isn't it actually a fecking good job we've got the World Cup to focus on and take our minds off this?
It really is. Without it I'd be ignoring the sport entirely right now. Having said that, the World Cup will end and we'll crash into the drudgery of club football angst just as hard. At the moment we're just the cartoon bunny who hasn't realised he's walked off the cliff.
Not at all, love Chinese food for example. Just wouldn't want them owning avfc.Good.In my comparatively microscopic dealing with Chinese buyers they examine every aspect of any purchase forensically and will not be given the hurry up.
Agreed been dealing with them for 8 years and sometimes when they say Yes they mean No and vice versa . Can't see it going anywhere to be honest
Racist.
Apologies if I came across a bit Prince Phillip. Just wouldn't trust them with football ownership. They're good at lots of things but football is new to them and you just have to lido across the city. No thanks .
I hope people are just taking the piss. Calling someone a racist for an off the cuff comment that they would prefer not to have Chinese owners is a bit heavy handed in my view. People are very quick to jump on the race card and sometimes it gets a bit hysterical to be frank.
Is off the 'cuff racism' ok, like 'tired racism'?
Apologies if I came across a bit Prince Phillip. Just wouldn't trust them with football ownership. They're good at lots of things but football is new to them and you just have to lido across the city. No thanks .
I hope people are just taking the piss. Calling someone a racist for an off the cuff comment that they would prefer not to have Chinese owners is a bit heavy handed in my view. People are very quick to jump on the race card and sometimes it gets a bit hysterical to be frank.
Is off the 'cuff racism' ok, like 'tired racism'?
Energetic racism is the worst. All that running about like what the EDL do.
Apologies if I came across a bit Prince Phillip. Just wouldn't trust them with football ownership. They're good at lots of things but football is new to them and you just have to lido across the city. No thanks .
Yep, one notorious Macao casino crook and every single Chinese person (I hear there are a few) is terrible at football ownership, although you do grant that all of them are good at lots of things.
how about a new Poll as to what nationality we would like the new owners to be based on food.
I'd go for French, second Italian and third Mexican
I can see a Portuguese consortium coming in with nandos as sponsors and Andi Weimann immediately installed as Club Captain. #flameyTrouble is they'd turn the restaurant into a Nando's and we'd never get Andi out of it. He'll become part of the furniture in there and end up like Villa's answer to Colonel Kurtz. He'll just lurk in the shadows of AVFCNando's, weighing about 300 pounds and talking gibberish and occasionally cupping his ears at dining patrons.
I can see a Portuguese consortium coming in with nandos as sponsors and Andi Weimann immediately installed as Club Captain. #flameyTrouble is they'd turn the restaurant into a Nando's and we'd never get Andi out of it. He'll become part of the furniture in there and end up like Villa's answer to Colonel Kurtz. He'll just lurk in the shadows of AVFCNando's, weighing about 300 pounds and talking gibberish and occasionally cupping his ears at dining patrons.
No, I suppose not. ha ha.I can see a Portuguese consortium coming in with nandos as sponsors and Andi Weimann immediately installed as Club Captain. #flameyTrouble is they'd turn the restaurant into a Nando's and we'd never get Andi out of it. He'll become part of the furniture in there and end up like Villa's answer to Colonel Kurtz. He'll just lurk in the shadows of AVFCNando's, weighing about 300 pounds and talking gibberish and occasionally cupping his ears at dining patrons.
So not too different to his general demeanour this season then?
British grub for me. Then Gordon Ramsay could buy us.
how about a new Poll as to what nationality we would like the new owners to be based on food.Bring on the Mongols
I'd go for French, second Italian and third Mexican
Some more context here:
The Guardian, Martin O’Neill open to Aston Villa assistant role for Roy Keane (http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/jun/12/martin-oneill-aston-villa-roy-keane)
Isn't Nandos supposed to be African? i.e. the portuguese bits (mozambique-ish)?
So probably some diamond smuggling outfit could buy us.
Some more context here:
The Guardian, Martin O’Neill open to Aston Villa assistant role for Roy Keane (http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/jun/12/martin-oneill-aston-villa-roy-keane)
Yeah it would be awful if you were left in the lurch at short notice Martin.
Are we expecting something to happen with Keane now?They are splitting up?
Are we expecting something to happen with Keane now?They are splitting up?
it's all gone a bit quiet.The calm before .....
Are we expecting something to happen with Keane now?They are splitting up?
If there's a God.
Looks like Faulkners influence is rubbing off on the England aswell now he's getting higher up the FA ladderIf Woy is dispensed with, will Faulkner have a say in his replacement?
So who is the 2014 equiv of John Fashanu that we'll sign when he gets back? Maybe we already took care of that with the Joey Cole signing.
Right, well that's my nightmare for tonight sorted then. Cheers Chris.So who is the 2014 equiv of John Fashanu that we'll sign when he gets back? Maybe we already took care of that with the Joey Cole signing.
Shola Ameobi.
Right, well that's my nightmare for tonight sorted then. Cheers Chris.So who is the 2014 equiv of John Fashanu that we'll sign when he gets back? Maybe we already took care of that with the Joey Cole signing.
Shola Ameobi.
It would not surprise me in the slightest either.
There is one mighty-shit player.So who is the 2014 equiv of John Fashanu that we'll sign when he gets back? Maybe we already took care of that with the Joey Cole signing.
Shola Ameobi.
should fit in nicely thenThere is one mighty-shit player.So who is the 2014 equiv of John Fashanu that we'll sign when he gets back? Maybe we already took care of that with the Joey Cole signing.
Shola Ameobi.
I've a feeling that if Keene was coming it would have been announced by now
Looks like Faulkners influence is rubbing off on the England aswell now he's getting higher up the FA ladder
Looks like Faulkners influence is rubbing off on the England aswell now he's getting higher up the FA ladder
Is it really a wonder, when you have non footballing people at the F.A, that the national side is so poor? It should be run by footballers, for footballers. People ready to tackle some of the difficult issues and not sit on the fence like splinters in his bum Trevor Brooking!! The F.A. is a complete joke. Sorry, off topic. Rant over. Keane get on with it or bigger off.
Looks like Faulkners influence is rubbing off on the England aswell now he's getting higher up the FA ladder
Is it really a wonder, when you have non footballing people at the F.A, that the national side is so poor? It should be run by footballers, for footballers. People ready to tackle some of the difficult issues and not sit on the fence like splinters in his bum Trevor Brooking!! The F.A. is a complete joke. Sorry, off topic. Rant over. Keane get on with it or bigger off.
Ex footballers I would surmise wouldn't make good administrators of the game, most of them have trouble putting two sentences together let alone run the game
When was the last time a press conference started on time, never, managers and players can't even organise themselves enough to turn up on time,
they might know about playing the game because that's what they did, but that's about it, they are generally uneducated thicktons,
Have you not seen the cream of the crop doing punditry on the World Cup, and you think it's them that should be running the FA, ha ha, you think it's a joke now, if ex players were running the show it would be kamikaze time
Looks like Faulkners influence is rubbing off on the England aswell now he's getting higher up the FA ladder
Is it really a wonder, when you have non footballing people at the F.A, that the national side is so poor? It should be run by footballers, for footballers. People ready to tackle some of the difficult issues and not sit on the fence like splinters in his bum Trevor Brooking!! The F.A. is a complete joke. Sorry, off topic. Rant over. Keane get on with it or bigger off.
Duncan fletcher, Braisford and Woodward, the 3 names you mention and not one a ex footballer
Newby, cricketers are a million times more interesting and knowledgable about their game than footballers, maybe because generally they come from a more educated background, I don't know
But the difference between ex cricketers and ex footballers is immense
So, Toronto, England have found the balance? No. Categorically no. This is why it needs to change and emphasises my point.
You are getting the Darren Woolley touch Lee. Summing it up correctly with verbal minimalism.
Would you say Ian Wright is thick? Never in a million years.I've never seen him say or write anything on screen or in print that makes me think he is anything other than extremely thick.
Duncan fletcher, Braisford and Woodward, the 3 names you mention and not one a ex footballer
Newby, cricketers are a million times more interesting and knowledgable about their game than footballers, maybe because generally they come from a more educated background, I don't know
But the difference between ex cricketers and ex footballers is immense
Duncan fletcher, Braisford and Woodward, the 3 names you mention and not one a ex footballer
Newby, cricketers are a million times more interesting and knowledgable about their game than footballers, maybe because generally they come from a more educated background, I don't know
But the difference between ex cricketers and ex footballers is immense
Isn't that something of a generalisation?
I am thinking of Darren Gough, who can barely handle even the basics of the English language and is every bit as stupid as any ex footballer you'll find working in the media, and Phil Tuffnell, who seems to get by just by bouncing around and gurning a lot.
From what I understand from reading the last page and a bit all we have to do is get rid of the current bunch of FA suits, get in a bunch of suits that have kicked a football and England will win the World Cup. ::)
It doesn't really matter that last season only 34% of last seasons PL players were qualified to play for England and most of them simply weren't good enough to play for the national team.
Until we sort out that problem even the best international coach in the world would struggle to get a winning England squad together.
Until we have a PL where the balance of foreign and English players is addressed we will continue to struggle on the international stage.
I wish I knew how to achieve that and I'd apply for the job of FA Chairman.
There is a hangover from when football was the working man's game, and the working man was 75% of the country. The country is now mostly not the working class, like much of Europe, but the footballers are still overwhelmingly (and disproportionately) from poor and working class backgrounds. Now, it's obviously great that the poorest of the poor can still dream of making it and transcending their surroundings through the sport, but why do the players of the national sport not represent the makeup of the country?
I really have no idea. I don't buy into 'poor kids are hungrier for success' sort of stuff, because other countries have players - better than ours - from all sorts of backgrounds. Is it middle class parents being sniffy about football? Is there an accent divide? Is the root just anti-intellectual? Either way, it's no surprise really that we lose to Uruguay, with their Walesish population, because we have about the same population of footballers.
The population thing is a red herring, R5 and ITV have both been guilty of saying in a country of x million they should have achieved y. If that is the case why havent China and India had a world cup lock out. Players have to be competing at the highest levels? England and Chile at different ends of the spectrum counter that. Belgium shows you dont have to have a group of players playing in your own countries league, etc etc. All excuses. You just have to win six games, with no fear of any opposition, complete confidence in each other and a bit of luck
The population thing is a red herring, R5 and ITV have both been guilty of saying in a country of x million they should have achieved y. If that is the case why havent China and India had a world cup lock out. Players have to be competing at the highest levels? England and Chile at different ends of the spectrum counter that. Belgium shows you dont have to have a group of players playing in your own countries league, etc etc. All excuses. You just have to win six games, with no fear of any opposition, complete confidence in each other and a bit of luck
If 75% of the country is no longer working class, what is it?
I think that there is also the fact that for some players, the World Cup represents easily their best chance of putting themselves in the shop window. Look at Uruguay's and Costa Rica's players. We know that the majority of them wouldn't play regularly ahead of the players in the England team were they in the Premier League or those in the Italian team were they in Serie A. But, for those few games in the World Cup, they are able to step up a little. Look how much the Uruguayan players wanted that game last week. Look at Pereira refusing to be substituted. A lot of them don't play in front of huge crowds and earn fortunes week in, week out. For them it is maybe even a once in a lifetime opportunity.I'm not sure that logic quite stacks up for most of the Uruguay team. None of the World Cup squad play in Uruguay and play for the likes of Atletico Madrid, Galatasaray, Liverpool, PSG, Lazio and Porto.
However since 1950 Uruguay shock the WC has not been won by a Country just turning up and surprising everyone by winning 6 games. The WC has ONLY been won by Countries with medium to large population and history of well organised football played in their homeland.The population thing is a red herring, R5 and ITV have both been guilty of saying in a country of x million they should have achieved y. If that is the case why havent China and India had a world cup lock out. Players have to be competing at the highest levels? England and Chile at different ends of the spectrum counter that. Belgium shows you dont have to have a group of players playing in your own countries league, etc etc. All excuses. You just have to win six games, with no fear of any opposition, complete confidence in each other and a bit of luck
Amen to that. There's a tendency to over-analyse things when we get knocked out.
If 75% of the country is no longer working class, what is it?
However since 1950 Uruguay shock the WC has not been won by a Country just turning up and surprising everyone by winning 6 games. The WC has ONLY been won by Countries with medium to large population and history of well organised football played in their homeland.The population thing is a red herring, R5 and ITV have both been guilty of saying in a country of x million they should have achieved y. If that is the case why havent China and India had a world cup lock out. Players have to be competing at the highest levels? England and Chile at different ends of the spectrum counter that. Belgium shows you dont have to have a group of players playing in your own countries league, etc etc. All excuses. You just have to win six games, with no fear of any opposition, complete confidence in each other and a bit of luck
Amen to that. There's a tendency to over-analyse things when we get knocked out.
I think that there is also the fact that for some players, the World Cup represents easily their best chance of putting themselves in the shop window. Look at Uruguay's and Costa Rica's players. We know that the majority of them wouldn't play regularly ahead of the players in the England team were they in the Premier League or those in the Italian team were they in Serie A. But, for those few games in the World Cup, they are able to step up a little. Look how much the Uruguayan players wanted that game last week. Look at Pereira refusing to be substituted. A lot of them don't play in front of huge crowds and earn fortunes week in, week out. For them it is maybe even a once in a lifetime opportunity.I'm not sure that logic quite stacks up for most of the Uruguay team. None of the World Cup squad play in Uruguay and play for the likes of Atletico Madrid, Galatasaray, Liverpool, PSG, Lazio and Porto.
Álvaro Pereira plays for Inter Milan, so I don't think he's going to be too worried about putting himself in the shop window in a match against England.
When we evaluate players from other nations, it's always seems to be against the benchmark that the Premier League is the strongest league.Good point. But also,assumes that the English players at Yanited, Citeh etc. are better than those at Hull etc. regardless of matchtime or appearences, and that these players also play better as a team as they are from 'Top' clubs.
So if say Uruguay had a left back playing for Hull or such like, it would be "He's shit, he only plays for Hull, ours plays for Man Utd/Chelsea" or some suchlike.
But that's forgetting this lad has probably had to leave home at a young age to work in another land, and has to adapt the skills he has learned to fit in with an alien footballing culture. And then when he joins up with his international team he's more comfortable and his talent can shine through.
When we evaluate players from other nations, it's always seems to be against the benchmark that the Premier League is the strongest league.
So if say Uruguay had a left back playing for Hull or such like, it would be "He's shit, he only plays for Hull, ours plays for Man Utd/Chelsea" or some suchlike.
But that's forgetting this lad has probably had to leave home at a young age to work in another land, and has to adapt the skills he has learned to fit in with an alien footballing culture. And then when he joins up with his international team he's more comfortable and his talent can shine through.
When we evaluate players from other nations, it's always seems to be against the benchmark that the Premier League is the strongest league.
So if say Uruguay had a left back playing for Hull or such like, it would be "He's shit, he only plays for Hull, ours plays for Man Utd/Chelsea" or some suchlike.
But that's forgetting this lad has probably had to leave home at a young age to work in another land, and has to adapt the skills he has learned to fit in with an alien footballing culture. And then when he joins up with his international team he's more comfortable and his talent can shine through.
Very good point. One of the major drawbacks of having the most popular league and supporting leagues in the world is the lack of mobility that English players and coaches display to go and experience other football cultures. I can only think of Joe Cole and Steve McClaren who have gone and experienced things abroad in the last few years. Funnily enough Hodgson is one of the few UK coaches with foreign experience.
When we evaluate players from other nations, it's always seems to be against the benchmark that the Premier League is the strongest league.
So if say Uruguay had a left back playing for Hull or such like, it would be "He's shit, he only plays for Hull, ours plays for Man Utd/Chelsea" or some suchlike.
But that's forgetting this lad has probably had to leave home at a young age to work in another land, and has to adapt the skills he has learned to fit in with an alien footballing culture. And then when he joins up with his international team he's more comfortable and his talent can shine through.
Very good point. One of the major drawbacks of having the most popular league and supporting leagues in the world is the lack of mobility that English players and coaches display to go and experience other football cultures. I can only think of Joe Cole and Steve McClaren who have gone and experienced things abroad in the last few years. Funnily enough Hodgson is one of the few UK coaches with foreign experience.
I think lack of footballing ability also prevents most of our players from playing abroad
When we evaluate players from other nations, it's always seems to be against the benchmark that the Premier League is the strongest league.
So if say Uruguay had a left back playing for Hull or such like, it would be "He's shit, he only plays for Hull, ours plays for Man Utd/Chelsea" or some suchlike.
But that's forgetting this lad has probably had to leave home at a young age to work in another land, and has to adapt the skills he has learned to fit in with an alien footballing culture. And then when he joins up with his international team he's more comfortable and his talent can shine through.
Very good point. One of the major drawbacks of having the most popular league and supporting leagues in the world is the lack of mobility that English players and coaches display to go and experience other football cultures. I can only think of Joe Cole and Steve McClaren who have gone and experienced things abroad in the last few years. Funnily enough Hodgson is one of the few UK coaches with foreign experience.
I think lack of footballing ability also prevents most of our players from playing abroad
You're right, of course.
The problem is, there are lots of problems, and there's no silver bullet solution.
I think the crop of young players coming through have the potential to at least move us in the right direction. In my opinion, we are where Germany were 12 years ago in terms of trying to change the way we play football. Unfortunately, I'm not sure that we will have the same success because the premier league and England are at odds with each other, have different goals and don't sing from the same hymnsheet.I agree with all of that. Also what Michel Sablon started with Belgium a couple of years earlier.
In Germany, the Klinnsmann / Loew revolution was embraced by the clubs and the national team and they are now reaping the rewards of that
I think the crop of young players coming through have the potential to at least move us in the right direction. In my opinion, we are where Germany were 12 years ago in terms of trying to change the way we play football.
I think the crop of young players coming through have the potential to at least move us in the right direction. In my opinion, we are where Germany were 12 years ago in terms of trying to change the way we play football. Unfortunately, I'm not sure that we will have the same success because the premier league and England are at odds with each other, have different goals and don't sing from the same hymnsheet.I agree with all of that. Also what Michel Sablon started with Belgium a couple of years earlier.
In Germany, the Klinnsmann / Loew revolution was embraced by the clubs and the national team and they are now reaping the rewards of that
The likes of Barkley, Shaw, Stones and Sterling could potentially reach the level of the likes of Khedira, Ozil, Hummels and Muller.
The probably won't, but they could.
It's very difficult to say how deep they are running at any given time.I think the crop of young players coming through have the potential to at least move us in the right direction. In my opinion, we are where Germany were 12 years ago in terms of trying to change the way we play football. Unfortunately, I'm not sure that we will have the same success because the premier league and England are at odds with each other, have different goals and don't sing from the same hymnsheet.I agree with all of that. Also what Michel Sablon started with Belgium a couple of years earlier.
In Germany, the Klinnsmann / Loew revolution was embraced by the clubs and the national team and they are now reaping the rewards of that
The likes of Barkley, Shaw, Stones and Sterling could potentially reach the level of the likes of Khedira, Ozil, Hummels and Muller.
The probably won't, but they could.
They wont though. The problems run deeper.
I think the crop of young players coming through have the potential to at least move us in the right direction. In my opinion, we are where Germany were 12 years ago in terms of trying to change the way we play football. Unfortunately, I'm not sure that we will have the same success because the premier league and England are at odds with each other, have different goals and don't sing from the same hymnsheet.I agree with all of that. Also what Michel Sablon started with Belgium a couple of years earlier.
In Germany, the Klinnsmann / Loew revolution was embraced by the clubs and the national team and they are now reaping the rewards of that
The likes of Barkley, Shaw, Stones and Sterling could potentially reach the level of the likes of Khedira, Ozil, Hummels and Muller.
The probably won't, but they could.
I've said that they probably won't.I think the crop of young players coming through have the potential to at least move us in the right direction. In my opinion, we are where Germany were 12 years ago in terms of trying to change the way we play football. Unfortunately, I'm not sure that we will have the same success because the premier league and England are at odds with each other, have different goals and don't sing from the same hymnsheet.I agree with all of that. Also what Michel Sablon started with Belgium a couple of years earlier.
In Germany, the Klinnsmann / Loew revolution was embraced by the clubs and the national team and they are now reaping the rewards of that
The likes of Barkley, Shaw, Stones and Sterling could potentially reach the level of the likes of Khedira, Ozil, Hummels and Muller.
The probably won't, but they could.
I'll bet you £50 they don't!
So is Keano coming then or what?
Triggs and Trixie.
He's gone to the dogs, as they say.
If he's not joined Villa or any other club yet, why did Keane pull out of his WC gig?And seen somewhere that his big posh house is for sale.
If he's not joined Villa or any other club yet, why did Keane pull out of his WC gig?
If he's not joined Villa or any other club yet, why did Keane pull out of his WC gig?
If he's not joined Villa or any other club yet, why did Keane pull out of his WC gig?
Aston Villa: Paul Lambert's choice of assistant is crucial, says Brian Little
Villa boss has identified Roy Keane as the preferred choice to be his next right hand man
Jun 24, 2014 22:30 By Mat Kendrick
Paul Lambert has been told the appointment of Aston Villa’s assistant manager could be his most important signing of the summer as he awaits final confirmation from Roy Keane.
Lambert has identified Keane as the preferred choice to be his next right hand man following the sacking of Ian Culverhouse and football operations manager Gary Karsa for unspecified disciplinary issues last month.
The Manchester United legend has been in discussions with Lambert about combining an assistant manager’s role at Villa with his existing similar position with Ireland.
Former Villa boss Brian Little believes Lambert’s choice of No.2 is crucial as he plots next season against a backdrop of uncertainty at the up-for-sale club.
“I think it’s massively important to have the right people around you,” said Little.
“If you look at clubs now, that’s what happens. People don’t go into clubs on their own, they go in with a group of people who have to function and work together.
“I think he will be disappointed that he has lost two people that he’s worked with for years.
“Prior to his last year, he’s worked with these people for the first year at Villa, three years at Norwich and even before that.
“For that time everybody was happy with them, so it will be a big blow for him to have lost them.
“I know he’ll have learned a lot over the two years so his appointment of people around him is going to be massively important.”
Little enjoyed a close relationship with allies John Gregory and Alan Evans during his time in charge of Villa in the mid-90s and underlined the importance of employing trustworthy assistants who knew who was boss, but were strong enough to have an input.
“You need to have a bond of understanding and be able to be honest and straightforward with each other, but accepting the fact that whoever is the top man needs to have the final say in whatever goes on.
“I don’t think many assistants would challenge the manager, but it’s important that they have an opinion. If you challenge managers it’s never going to work. You don’t challenge them, you understand what they want, but you should have a say.
“Sometimes you’ve had an opportunity to look around the corner he’s about to go round.
“As your assistant or assistants, if there’s more than one, that’s what you’ve got to do.
“They have to have eyes and ears so that whatever they’ve seen or heard they can relay that to you and have ideas to help you.
“It’s a big thing, as a football manager. Every now and again you get caught out with something and if somebody you’re working with knew it was going to happen then you’d be like ‘Well, why didn’t you tell me?’
“That person needs to be strong enough to say ‘Look, hang on a second, if you do that, it will have that impact on so and so’.
“In my time with Alan and John, we were all more than comfortable with that way of working. I don’t think they ever challenged me, but neither would they just nod along.”
Little will be speaking at An Evening With Brian Little, evening organised by the Longbridge Lions supporters club, at Greenlands Social Club, in Longbridge, from 7pm on Friday 11 July.
Tickets priced £6 for members and £8 for non members, with proceeds going to Cure Leukaemia, are available from Trevor Emeny and Aaron Wells on 07502 323 385 or longbridgelions@outlook.com
Maybe he's gone on holiday, it's the sort of thing football folk do at this time of year.If he's not joined Villa or any other club yet, why did Keane pull out of his WC gig?
I'd like to know the answer to that too...
Unless the takeovers about to happen and it's all on ice?! Thought I'd chisel a takeover reference into this thread
Unless the takeovers about to happen and it's all on ice?! Thought I'd chisel a takeover reference into this thread
Kean was Micky Arison's man. When the Arison takeover was thrown into doubt and the Josh Harris/Blitzen combo took the driving seat, the Keane appointment was also thrown into doubt.
#ITK
Unless the takeovers about to happen and it's all on ice?! Thought I'd chisel a takeover reference into this thread
Kean was Micky Arison's man. When the Arison takeover was thrown into doubt and the Josh Harris/Blitzen combo took the driving seat, the Keane appointment was also thrown into doubt.
#ITK
Are you suggesting there is some sort of bidding war going on in the background? Any sensible buyer should surely make Prandelli 'their man' rather than Keane.
"Culverhouse and Karsa are gone! HURRAH! The strict teachers nobody liked have left the school!"
Then, first day back after the summer holidays, they meet the replacement.
(http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02956/keane_2956425b.jpg)
Do our squad just don't like being worked hard? Are they just princesses? Our side didn't appreciate Houllier and McCallisters methods. Then something, and we'll probably never know anything specific until one our players releases a piss poorly written bio, wasn't right with Karsey and Shithouse.You could put that on at the NIA and sell the place out. :)
Do our players just need to man the hell up? I think there's a lot of our squad that need a fecking good kick up the arse to be honest. If Keane provides that in a positive way then he'll work. If our players run off home crying to their mummy's then it's going to be a disaster.
I think it'll be the latter, and I give it a month before Roy Keane is having a fist fight with Concrete Ron.
That stare is enough to scare the shit out of the devil himself.Nope. The old trinity lower Daily Mail reading brigade will be sat silent nodding all season.
I don't think there will be many slagging off the team from behind the dugout this season.
Frankly I think this is a disgrace. The guy is utterly, utterly horrible. Never mind the arguments about anything else, it's shameful that such a person would be on the payroll at Villa Park.
Frankly I think this is a disgrace. The guy is utterly, utterly horrible. Never mind the arguments about anything else, it's shameful that such a person would be on the payroll at Villa Park.
I'm not sure if that's sarcasm.
I'm not sure everyone's 'into Keane coming along', I think most people are fairly jaded and unsurprised by what we do now. It's more a case of a shrug of the shoulders and thinking it doesn't make much difference and not a lot is going to change until we're taken over.
Fair enough, though it's still a little placid for my liking. There's a difference between underwhelming, inexpensive signings like Senderos and Cole and hiring a guy, no better than a hundred other potential coaches, who to this day seems unsettlingly proud of his most depraved acts of violence. Whatever happens on the pitch, Villa have never been a club without class off it. Hiring this man is a blow to that reputation.
Well Pele might be the greatest ever (very arguable, of course), but his pronouncements on football aren't worth the air they're guffed into. Similarly, Maradona made a horrible manager. Arrigo Sacchi (never a player) was right when he said that 'a jockey doesn't need to have been born a horse'.
Anyway, even if he were brilliant as a coach I wouldn't want him. It's like PWS said on the World Cup thread about Suarez - I don't care how good he is, I just don't want that sort of person anywhere near Villa.
Yep, and the Krays loved their mum. And ol' Dinsdale Piranha, he nailed my head to the floor but he was awful nice about it.
Not from me they won't. It rankles that he's still employed in football at all
I think my main emotion about this is not so much that I don't like the idea (and, to be honest, I don't) but that it all just sounds extremely strange.
- why would Lambert want such a high profile number 2?
Deflects criticism, draws the attention of the press, they're friends, also see my final answer
- if the problem with C and K was they alienated people at the training ground, why replace them with someone else with a reputation for being the same?
We don't know enough of what actually led to the sackings to be able to say, it may be that they crossed a line but Lambert likes the dynamic so wanted someone similar
- why would Keane agree to take the job as a number 2?
He is already employed as an assistant, maybe he's realised he took the top job too soon
- why would Keane agree to take the job here, under the current circumstances?
Because he's pretty much bullet-proof until the takeover and if he's 'let go' after it happens no one would think badly of him, it's a fairly simple win-win for someone with a high-profile, convincing someone with a lower profile to take the job may well have been tougher.
Hope it works out, but it just looks a bit, well, odd.
Never liked good-cop-bad-cop. I wonder how much the players appreciate being treated permanently as criminals under investigation.Some of their performances last season were bordering on criminal to be fair. I wonder if Roy Keane will bring a gavel and a wig with him.
Keane's reputation isn't toxic. In fact, it's completely untarnishable, which I regard as a disgrace. Here's a man who boasts about setting out to cripple his fellow professionals. It's disgraceful that his reputation is as pristine as it is.
Keane's reputation isn't toxic. In fact, it's completely untarnishable, which I regard as a disgrace. Here's a man who boasts about setting out to cripple his fellow professionals. It's disgraceful that his reputation is as pristine as it is.
See Shearer, A. Some people are bombproof.
As an aside, imagine this scenario:
Keane's appointed, it's matchday. After the match he's stomping around and bumps into our special guest for the afternoon, an elderly gentleman. "Gerrout of me way" he shouts. Ron Saunders glares back...
As an aside, imagine this scenario:
Keane's appointed, it's matchday. After the match he's stomping around and bumps into our special guest for the afternoon, an elderly gentleman. "Gerrout of me way" he shouts. Ron Saunders glares back...
As an aside, imagine this scenario:
Keane's appointed, it's matchday. After the match he's stomping around and bumps into our special guest for the afternoon, an elderly gentleman. "Gerrout of me way" he shouts. Ron Saunders glares back...
Blimey, I wouldn't mind being a fly on the wall for that one!! Hopefully, Keane can have the same sort of effect on the club that Lord Saunders did.
As an aside, imagine this scenario:
Keane's appointed, it's matchday. After the match he's stomping around and bumps into our special guest for the afternoon, an elderly gentleman. "Gerrout of me way" he shouts. Ron Saunders glares back...
Blimey, I wouldn't mind being a fly on the wall for that one!! Hopefully, Keane can have the same sort of effect on the club that Lord Saunders did.
Which reminds, me, it can't be far off the fortieth anniversary of his appointment.
As an aside, imagine this scenario:
Keane's appointed, it's matchday. After the match he's stomping around and bumps into our special guest for the afternoon, an elderly gentleman. "Gerrout of me way" he shouts. Ron Saunders glares back...
Blimey, I wouldn't mind being a fly on the wall for that one!! Hopefully, Keane can have the same sort of effect on the club that Lord Saunders did.
Which reminds, me, it can't be far off the fortieth anniversary of his appointment.
Probably passed it. I think he was appointed June 1974 but not sure of the exact date.
As an aside, imagine this scenario:
Keane's appointed, it's matchday. After the match he's stomping around and bumps into our special guest for the afternoon, an elderly gentleman. "Gerrout of me way" he shouts. Ron Saunders glares back...
Blimey, I wouldn't mind being a fly on the wall for that one!! Hopefully, Keane can have the same sort of effect on the club that Lord Saunders did.
Which reminds, me, it can't be far off the fortieth anniversary of his appointment.
Probably passed it. I think he was appointed June 1974 but not sure of the exact date.
4th June 1974.
http://www.soccerbase.com/teams/team.sd?team_id=154&teamTabs=managers
NO HE WASN'T!!!!!!!!!As an aside, imagine this scenario:
Keane's appointed, it's matchday. After the match he's stomping around and bumps into our special guest for the afternoon, an elderly gentleman. "Gerrout of me way" he shouts. Ron Saunders glares back...
Blimey, I wouldn't mind being a fly on the wall for that one!! Hopefully, Keane can have the same sort of effect on the club that Lord Saunders did.
Which reminds, me, it can't be far off the fortieth anniversary of his appointment.
Probably passed it. I think he was appointed June 1974 but not sure of the exact date.
4th June 1974.
http://www.soccerbase.com/teams/team.sd?team_id=154&teamTabs=managers
George Ramsey was manager for 42 years!
Ramsey out ! 42 years and I'm wondering if I will see us do the double again in my lifetime. Instead of building a 120,000 capacity ground which we will probably only 3/4 fill most weeks, the money should be spent on the team. Get Chapman from Huddersfield and promise him a big transfer budget, 20k should do it. Ramsey can't b/shit us fans any more. Invented the penny farthing kick ? Don't make me laugh !
Ramsey out ! 42 years and I'm wondering if I will see us do the double again in my lifetime. Instead of building a 120,000 capacity ground which we will probably only 3/4 fill most weeks, the money should be spent on the team. Get Chapman from Huddersfield and promise him a big transfer budget, 20k should do it. Ramsey can't b/shit us fans any more. Invented the penny farthing kick ? Don't make me laugh !
Ramsey out ! 42 years and I'm wondering if I will see us do the double again in my lifetime. Instead of building a 120,000 capacity ground which we will probably only 3/4 fill most weeks, the money should be spent on the team. Get Chapman from Huddersfield and promise him a big transfer budget, 20k should do it. Ramsey can't b/shit us fans any more. Invented the penny farthing kick ? Don't make me laugh !
Keane set to be announced as assistant manager within the next 24hrs according to the E&S.
Keane set to be announced as assistant manager within the next 24hrs according to the E&S.
don't tell monty
I think we need to have Keane on the pitch shadowing Gabby and giving him a good kick up the kaboose every couple of minutes to remind him he's in a football match.
I think comparing Gabby to Collymore is a bit unfair. At least Gabby's wasting his career on the pitch, not in an unlit car park somewhere.
4th June 1974.
http://www.soccerbase.com/teams/team.sd?team_id=154&teamTabs=managers
If it does happen I wonder how many ST holders behind the home dugout will decide it may be advisable to relocate. :)
I wonder if they'll get him to do the usual round of photos for the OS - smiling, shirt stretching, mumble a few platitudes.
I can't really imagine he's that kind of guy.
I bet Woodward will be shitting his pants at the idea of having to do his usual shtick like he does with new players - asking a question, ignoring the answer, asking the same question, ignoring the answer, asking a question, ignoring the answer, then making up the answer himself which he parrots back to the interviewee.
I can't see that ending without Keano wrapping a chair around Jack's head.
Am warming to the idea.
I can't see the ending of this story being anything other than bad, but that's not to say that it can't have a positive effect between now and then.
I can't wait to see Keane at Villa, it might go horribly wrong but let's face it things aren't exactly great and it's worth a go. Look forward to seeing 'The Fear' offering him advice as he walks along the touchline.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/28085658
Perhaps more interesting is who PL will appoint as his other Assistant , as I,m sure he must , GIVEN that Keane will be spending time with the Ireland Team .
Will it be someone more , how shall I say , more personable / likeable / approachable , to fit a ' Good Cop bad Cop scenario ? . Personally I would really like to see us appoint a Continental style ' Skills' Coach ........................Godzvilla ! .
p.s........I,ve often wondered if they will ever invite Stliyan Petrov back into the Coaching fold.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/28085658
Roys keen oh Roys keen
I wonder if they'll get him to do the usual round of photos for the OS - smiling, shirt stretching, mumble a few platitudes.
I can't really imagine he's that kind of guy.
I bet Woodward will be shitting his pants at the idea of having to do his usual shtick like he does with new players - asking a question, ignoring the answer, asking the same question, ignoring the answer, asking a question, ignoring the answer, then making up the answer himself which he parrots back to the interviewee.
I can't see that ending without Keano wrapping a chair around Jack's head.
Am warming to the idea.
I wonder if they'll get him to do the usual round of photos for the OS - smiling, shirt stretching, mumble a few platitudes.
I can't really imagine he's that kind of guy.
I bet Woodward will be shitting his pants at the idea of having to do his usual shtick like he does with new players - asking a question, ignoring the answer, asking the same question, ignoring the answer, asking a question, ignoring the answer, then making up the answer himself which he parrots back to the interviewee.
I can't see that ending without Keano wrapping a chair around Jack's head.
Am warming to the idea.
Paulie, I like and respect you as a contributor to this site but any repeat of the 'Keano' sobriquet will result in a spell on the naughty stair.
I can't help thinking this appointment will have our dug out looking like a sequel of Father Ted with Lambert playing the main character and Keane as Father Jack Hackett. We already have Mrs Doyle sat up in the Trinity Road ready to make the half time tea, we're just missing Father Dougal. Step forward Phil Neville for the vacant First Team Coach role.I dunno about that. Gabby does a fairly good Dougal impersonation as it is. Not sure we'll need Phil. I also picture Roy Keane as more of the Bishop Brennan type, and he'll be flitting in and out and just generally scaring the living shit out of everyone at Craggy Villa Island.
I too am warming to us having him in the dugout. At least there will be a part of the pitch within evil eye range where the opposition will not get away with rolling us over with impunity. A distinct improvement on Lambert stands up, walks to the touchline, claps his hands and sits down again.I genuinely pictured a Seal exhibit at Sea World with that description of Lambert, and it's probably not far off the truth.
I wonder if they'll get him to do the usual round of photos for the OS - smiling, shirt stretching, mumble a few platitudes.
I can't really imagine he's that kind of guy.
I bet Woodward will be shitting his pants at the idea of having to do his usual shtick like he does with new players - asking a question, ignoring the answer, asking the same question, ignoring the answer, asking a question, ignoring the answer, then making up the answer himself which he parrots back to the interviewee.
I can't see that ending without Keano wrapping a chair around Jack's head.
Am warming to the idea.
Paulie, I like and respect you as a contributor to this site but any repeat of the 'Keano' sobriquet will result in a spell on the naughty stair.
You're getting soft in your old age, Chris.
Anybody that refers to him as 'Keano' deserves nothing less than a good kicking.
welcome Super Roy.....nah...Welcome Keanemeister....nah...I'm going with Nasty Bastard....
Welcome Nasty Bastard :)
welcome Super Roy.....nah...Welcome Keanemeister....nah...I'm going with Nasty Bastard....
Welcome Nasty Bastard :)
Apparently Keane has mellowed in recent weeks.
(https://twitpic.com/show/iphone/9wk8gf)
Apparently Keane has mellowed in recent weeks.
(https://twitpic.com/show/iphone/9wk8gf)
Moments after that photo was taken he ripped the dogs throat out and ate it's still beating heart.
Welcome to the club Roy for however long it will be.
Well, I like him.
I predict Lambert will get the heave ho and Keane will be head coach before Christmas though. Can't see the two working together well.
Apparently Keane has mellowed in recent weeks.
(https://twitpic.com/show/iphone/9wk8gf)
Moments after that photo was taken he ripped the dogs throat out and ate it's still beating heart.
I instinctively distrust people who wear "too small" sunglasses.
Well, I like him.
I predict Lambert will get the heave ho and Keane will be head coach before Christmas though. Can't see the two working together well.
Not really. They were joint managers, weren't they?Well, I like him.
I predict Lambert will get the heave ho and Keane will be head coach before Christmas though. Can't see the two working together well.
It's got the Evans - Houllier look about it.
Not really. They were joint managers, weren't they?Well, I like him.
I predict Lambert will get the heave ho and Keane will be head coach before Christmas though. Can't see the two working together well.
It's got the Evans - Houllier look about it.
I'm all for it, one thing this club needs is to get rid of the mentality of 'we go again' everytime we submit to another pathetic defeat....someone who hates losing will do for me.
If we haven't got fortunes to spend then the back room and things such as fitness & training become even more vital.
While I don't doubt like a few on here that this is destined not to end well i'm looking forward to the roller coaster ride that will be his tenure as assistant manager, hoping he can instill some bite and fight in our team, think we're just too nice sometimes
While I don't doubt like a few on here that this is destined not to end well i'm looking forward to the roller coaster ride that will be his tenure as assistant manager, hoping he can instill some bite and fight in our team, think we're just too nice sometimes
''some bite''?
Hopefully he'll bring a bit of steel into the dressing room.
I worked for a company that had dealings with Keane. He is utterly obnoxious.
I worked for a company that had dealings with Keane. He is utterly obnoxious.
That is hardly a newsflash. We can live with that if he gets the players motivated.
If the staff around Bodymoor Heath were upset by Culverhouse and co wait until this clown arrives. I worked for a company that had dealings with Keane. He is utterly obnoxious.And I've heard the complete opposite about him, in terms of what he's done for charities etc away from the glare of the media. He's a complex character, for sure, but he's not the devil incarnate.
We know he is obnoxious. We need to be obnoxious winners not nice losers.
If the staff around Bodymoor Heath were upset by Culverhouse and co wait until this clown arrives. I worked for a company that had dealings with Keane. He is utterly obnoxious.And I've heard the complete opposite about him, in terms of what he's done for charities etc away from the glare of the media. He's a complex character, for sure, but he's not the devil incarnate.
Karsa / culverhouse appear to have been arseholes because they could, most of keane's previous transgressions have been as a result of him holding people to an impossibly high standard rather than it being for the sake of it. If he has been able to address this in then past couple of years then hopefully it will work out.
Nutty Conspiracy theory alert...
What if Martin O Neill becomes like an unofficial director of football for us?
What if Keane asks O Neill for advice, and in turn passes on that wisdom to Lambert who gets a pants shittening stare directed at him and is too scared to refuse Keane.
Keep your eyes peeled people. If we suddenly switched to a four, four, fakking two, with Gabby partnering a big man and two pacy wingers, our two tallest centerhalves playing, Clark at left back, Vlaar at right back, and nowt but direct football, then we'll know it's true. Martin O Neill will be running the Villa again.
January 2015, 31st...11.59pm...Emile Heskey resigns.
I don't get the comparisons between Culverhouse/Karsa & Keane.
Bullying and a will to win are very different things - if they did bully people that is personal & nothing to do with performance, holding players to account for losing is very different and should be expected.
I too am warming to us having him in the dugout. At least there will be a part of the pitch within evil eye range where the opposition will not get away with rolling us over with impunity. A distinct improvement on Lambert stands up, walks to the touchline, claps his hands and sits down again.Quite. Who knows how this will pan out but, at the very least, I expect there will be a lot less bullshit spoken about the team
To be fair Heskey probably resigned as a centerforward about 15 years ago.Nutty Conspiracy theory alert...
What if Martin O Neill becomes like an unofficial director of football for us?
What if Keane asks O Neill for advice, and in turn passes on that wisdom to Lambert who gets a pants shittening stare directed at him and is too scared to refuse Keane.
Keep your eyes peeled people. If we suddenly switched to a four, four, fakking two, with Gabby partnering a big man and two pacy wingers, our two tallest centerhalves playing, Clark at left back, Vlaar at right back, and nowt but direct football, then we'll know it's true. Martin O Neill will be running the Villa again.
January 2015, 31st...11.59pm...Emile Heskey resigns.
I read that as 'Emile Heskey resigns from his job,' and I thought, "wonder why he'd do that?"
I wouldn't accept anything that ferguson has to say at face value. He's self-serving and will do or say anything to advance his goals.I don't get the comparisons between Culverhouse/Karsa & Keane.
Bullying and a will to win are very different things - if they did bully people that is personal & nothing to do with performance, holding players to account for losing is very different and should be expected.
Kinda, except Keane has been accused of bullying. I think Fergie even wrote about it in his book.
I wouldn't accept anything that ferguson has to say at face value. He's self-serving and will do or say anything to advance his goals.I don't get the comparisons between Culverhouse/Karsa & Keane.
Bullying and a will to win are very different things - if they did bully people that is personal & nothing to do with performance, holding players to account for losing is very different and should be expected.
Kinda, except Keane has been accused of bullying. I think Fergie even wrote about it in his book.
We know he is obnoxious. We need to be obnoxious winners not nice losers.
If I were a young player I would be quite proud of being bullied by Keane. He us famous for it. C and K are just nobodies.
Shudder.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-13-memorable-roy-7352786
"Mick, you're a liar... you're a fucking wanker. I didn't rate you as a player, I don't rate you as a manager, and I don't rate you as a person. You're a fucking wanker and you can stick your World Cup up your arse. The only reason I have any dealings with you is that somehow you are the manager of my country! You can stick it up your bollocks.
Shudder.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-13-memorable-roy-7352786
I'm just hoping Lambert will be going some way to addressing that part himself with the right sort of players. We never really had any guile or nous in midfield to play a more modern type of game. Signing a player like Joe Cole suggests he's going to finally adopt a formation to incorporate the number 10. I'd hope we'll sign another option too, or make use of N'Zgobia too.Quote"Mick, you're a liar... you're a fucking wanker. I didn't rate you as a player, I don't rate you as a manager, and I don't rate you as a person. You're a fucking wanker and you can stick your World Cup up your arse. The only reason I have any dealings with you is that somehow you are the manager of my country! You can stick it up your bollocks.
That's straight talking.
I appreciate he can do that bit, it's what he can do in terms of making the players actually play something that looks like football that bothers me most. Fingers crossed.
Welcome Roy, but that's the end of the side show now we need to sign some players of the required quality.
Welcome Roy, but that's the end of the side show now we need to sign some players of the required quality.
There is no way that Keane is going to play second fiddle to Lambert, it just aint happening.Nonsense. He's assistant in the irish job too.
So either there is more to this, or the relationship with Lambert will be short lived.
Not Nonsense, Yes to the much older more experienced and successful beloved MartinThere is no way that Keane is going to play second fiddle to Lambert, it just aint happening.Nonsense. He's assistant in the irish job too.
So either there is more to this, or the relationship with Lambert will be short lived.
Successful in scotland is it? Or do you mean the league cups in england that keane undoubtedly would hold in such high esteem?Not Nonsense, Yes to the much older more experienced and successful beloved MartinThere is no way that Keane is going to play second fiddle to Lambert, it just aint happening.Nonsense. He's assistant in the irish job too.
So either there is more to this, or the relationship with Lambert will be short lived.
Against Lamberts what exactly?Successful in scotland is it? Or do you mean the league cups in england that keane undoubtedly would hold in such high esteem?Not Nonsense, Yes to the much older more experienced and successful beloved MartinThere is no way that Keane is going to play second fiddle to Lambert, it just aint happening.Nonsense. He's assistant in the irish job too.
So either there is more to this, or the relationship with Lambert will be short lived.
What was the issue at the 2002 World Cup with Keane?
What was the issue at the 2002 World Cup with Keane?
I think it was initially with the poor training facilities that the Irish FA had arranged, but then became a very personal issue with Mick McCarthy, which had obviously been bubbling away under the surface.
What was the issue at the 2002 World Cup with Keane?
I think it was initially with the poor training facilities that the Irish FA had arranged, but then became a very personal issue with Mick McCarthy, which had obviously been bubbling away under the surface.
What was the issue at the 2002 World Cup with Keane?
I think it was initially with the poor training facilities that the Irish FA had arranged, but then became a very personal issue with Mick McCarthy, which had obviously been bubbling away under the surface.
I can see his point and sympathise, being managed by Mick McCarthy would get on anyones tits.
I'm just baffled as to why he would be offered the job and baffled as to why he would accept it.
I'm sure it won't end well but I think it will be a brief spell of employment.
No, that's not what I'm suggesting. It's really rather simple, I don't see someone like Keane, who has won so much, being so in awe of o'neill, who won two league cups in England and a few trophies in Scotland that he'd be happy to play 'second fiddle' to him and not lambert. Neither managers' records are particularly stellar (compared to what he achieved as a player at least), so I fail to see why it's a runner for one, and not for the other.Against Lamberts what exactly?Successful in scotland is it? Or do you mean the league cups in england that keane undoubtedly would hold in such high esteem?Not Nonsense, Yes to the much older more experienced and successful beloved MartinThere is no way that Keane is going to play second fiddle to Lambert, it just aint happening.Nonsense. He's assistant in the irish job too.
So either there is more to this, or the relationship with Lambert will be short lived.
If you are arguing that Lambert is more successful than MON then this debate is beyond me. :-* :-[
A player who played for Keane at Sunderland said on the Alan Brazil show this morning that he hardly ever took the training/coaching sessions.Not many managers do tend to take coaching sessions these days it seems. I would imagine that Keane's main focus will be on training for this role. Though I don't think he'll be there all the time. I imagine he'll be flitting in and out of Villa.
Does anyone know if his job has been specifically stated as a coaching role?
A player who played for Keane at Sunderland said on the Alan Brazil show this morning that he hardly ever took the training/coaching sessions.Not many managers do tend to take coaching sessions these days it seems. I would imagine that Keane's main focus will be on training for this role. Though I don't think he'll be there all the time. I imagine he'll be flitting in and out of Villa.
Does anyone know if his job has been specifically stated as a coaching role?
No, that's not what I'm suggesting. It's really rather simple, I don't see someone like Keane, who has won so much, being so in awe of o'neill, who won two league cups in England and a few trophies in Scotland that he'd be happy to play 'second fiddle' to him and not lambert. Neither managers' records are particularly stellar (compared to what he achieved as a player at least), so I fail to see why it's a runner for one, and not for the other.Against Lamberts what exactly?Successful in scotland is it? Or do you mean the league cups in england that keane undoubtedly would hold in such high esteem?Not Nonsense, Yes to the much older more experienced and successful beloved MartinThere is no way that Keane is going to play second fiddle to Lambert, it just aint happening.Nonsense. He's assistant in the irish job too.
So either there is more to this, or the relationship with Lambert will be short lived.
If you are arguing that Lambert is more successful than MON then this debate is beyond me. :-* :-[
This should be interesting:This made me chuckle.
https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/484308876477882368
This should be interesting:
https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/484308876477882368
Which is a fair and reasonable point. It's a world away from the post I initially responded to.OK Maybe Keane has learnt a little humility and wants to learn the trade properly rather than follow the course he has been on. If that is the case then good luck to him. I cant help feeling though that the personality traits he has displayed in the past wont come to the fore. I think at the end of the day he will have too strong a personality for Lambert.
I am quite looking forward to seeing him march to the edge of the pitch barking orders and pointing.
I'm loathed to reference it as it's early days and results haven't been good, but there hasn't been a hint of any issues with him in a similar role with the Irish squad.Which is a fair and reasonable point. It's a world away from the post I initially responded to.OK Maybe Keane has learnt a little humility and wants to learn the trade properly rather than follow the course he has been on. If that is the case then good luck to him. I cant help feeling though that the personality traits he has displayed in the past wont come to the fore. I think at the end of the day he will have too strong a personality for Lambert.
I am quite looking forward to seeing him march to the edge of the pitch barking orders and pointing.
That picture of him holding the shirt - wish that was 20 years ago!!I reckon he could still outpace Karim.
Clark says that he's been brilliant with the Irish squad!Like he would dare say anything else. ;)
The club is in desperate need of a very loud wake up call. Roy Keane may be the man with the balls and the strength of character to give the club the kick up the backside it needs. Not just the players, they are by and large not good enough and that is not their fault, but the whole sense of drift, absenteeism, buck passing and doziness which has engulfed the club for the last four years must be blasted away. Villa Park is currently no place for nice guys and yes men.
The club is in desperate need of a very loud wake up call. Roy Keane may be the man with the balls and the strength of character to give the club the kick up the backside it needs. Not just the players, they are by and large not good enough and that is not their fault, but the whole sense of drift, absenteeism, buck passing and doziness which has engulfed the club for the last four years must be blasted away. Villa Park is currently no place for nice guys and yes men.
After giving it some thought, that's my take on it. We must currently be one of the favourites for relegation and in the absence of the takeover with mega-billions to throw around on World Cup stars, this at least has the potential shaking up the lethargy hanging over the club like a bad smell. Of course it might all turn out to be a disastrous appointment, but if it does, I don't think we'll find ourselves in a worse position than we're currently on course for.
I am quite looking forward to seeing him march to the edge of the pitch barking orders and pointing.
Peter Grant was a great pointer and shouter. Its just that none of the players ever appeared to look at him
1. For every failing he has, the man can grow quality beards, for which he should be given a chance.
1. For every failing he has, the man can grow quality beards, for which he should be given a chance.
As the wearer of a similar coloured, blackish greying beard, I have to say, that's a magnificent specimen he's sporting on the photos today.
Maximum respect.
1. For every failing he has, the man can grow quality beards, for which he should be given a chance.
As the wearer of a similar coloured, blackish greying beard, I have to say, that's a magnificent specimen he's sporting on the photos today.
Maximum respect.
You have a beard? No, no, no. My mental picture of you won't accept a hirsute chin.
If this exercise lasts longer than 6 months I will be amazed .
Seconded.If this exercise lasts longer than 6 months I will be amazed .
Me too, but hey ho, he's hear now, here's hoping we're both wrong.
1. For every failing he has, the man can grow quality beards, for which he should be given a chance.
As the wearer of a similar coloured, blackish greying beard, I have to say, that's a magnificent specimen he's sporting on the photos today.
Maximum respect.
You have a beard? No, no, no. My mental picture of you won't accept a hirsute chin.
I'm like Roy Keane.
Except with significantly less hair, more flab, taller and with a worse temper.
Seconded.If this exercise lasts longer than 6 months I will be amazed .
Me too, but hey ho, he's hear now, here's hoping we're both wrong.
1. For every failing he has, the man can grow quality beards, for which he should be given a chance.
As the wearer of a similar coloured, blackish greying beard, I have to say, that's a magnificent specimen he's sporting on the photos today.
Maximum respect.
You have a beard? No, no, no. My mental picture of you won't accept a hirsute chin.
I'm like Roy Keane.
Except with significantly less hair, more flab, taller and with a worse temper.
A good beard saves many indiscretions. I grow anything more than 2 days and it goes worryingly ginger. As I am not ginger haired, this perplexes me and has me going for the razor immediately. I would love a god beard, but will sadly never have a good un. The big wire like copper eyebrows that have been springing out in the last few months are very disconcerting.
1. For every failing he has, the man can grow quality beards, for which he should be given a chance.
As the wearer of a similar coloured, blackish greying beard, I have to say, that's a magnificent specimen he's sporting on the photos today.
Maximum respect.
You have a beard? No, no, no. My mental picture of you won't accept a hirsute chin.
I'm like Roy Keane.
Except with significantly less hair, more flab, taller and with a worse temper.
A good beard saves many indiscretions. I grow anything more than 2 days and it goes worryingly ginger. As I am not ginger haired, this perplexes me and has me going for the razor immediately. I would love a god beard, but will sadly never have a good un. The big wire like copper eyebrows that have been springing out in the last few months are very disconcerting.
Sad, but true.
Stick with it. As you get older, you'll pass through the ginger phase and go straight to grey.
1. For every failing he has, the man can grow quality beards, for which he should be given a chance.
As the wearer of a similar coloured, blackish greying beard, I have to say, that's a magnificent specimen he's sporting on the photos today.
Maximum respect.
You have a beard? No, no, no. My mental picture of you won't accept a hirsute chin.
I'm like Roy Keane.
Except with significantly less hair, more flab, taller and with a worse temper.
Sprouting out eyebrows, getting more bushy by the week, now thats just confirmed it you are very nearly over that hill, no turning back now.1. For every failing he has, the man can grow quality beards, for which he should be given a chance.
As the wearer of a similar coloured, blackish greying beard, I have to say, that's a magnificent specimen he's sporting on the photos today.
Maximum respect.
You have a beard? No, no, no. My mental picture of you won't accept a hirsute chin.
I'm like Roy Keane.
Except with significantly less hair, more flab, taller and with a worse temper.
A good beard saves many indiscretions. I grow anything more than 2 days and it goes worryingly ginger. As I am not ginger haired, this perplexes me and has me going for the razor immediately. I would love a god beard, but will sadly never have a good un. The big wire like copper eyebrows that have been springing out in the last few months are very disconcerting.
Sad, but true.
Stick with it. As you get older, you'll pass through the ginger phase and go straight to grey.
1. For every failing he has, the man can grow quality beards, for which he should be given a chance.
As the wearer of a similar coloured, blackish greying beard, I have to say, that's a magnificent specimen he's sporting on the photos today.
Maximum respect.
You have a beard? No, no, no. My mental picture of you won't accept a hirsute chin.
I'm like Roy Keane.
Except with significantly less hair, more flab, taller and with a worse temper.
Today is the day Father Christmas finally died.
Sprouting out eyebrows, getting more bushy by the week, now thats just confirmed it you are very nearly over that hill, no turning back now.1. For every failing he has, the man can grow quality beards, for which he should be given a chance.
As the wearer of a similar coloured, blackish greying beard, I have to say, that's a magnificent specimen he's sporting on the photos today.
Maximum respect.
You have a beard? No, no, no. My mental picture of you won't accept a hirsute chin.
I'm like Roy Keane.
Except with significantly less hair, more flab, taller and with a worse temper.
A good beard saves many indiscretions. I grow anything more than 2 days and it goes worryingly ginger. As I am not ginger haired, this perplexes me and has me going for the razor immediately. I would love a god beard, but will sadly never have a good un. The big wire like copper eyebrows that have been springing out in the last few months are very disconcerting.
Sad, but true.
Stick with it. As you get older, you'll pass through the ginger phase and go straight to grey.
Still some on here think going back to 19th Century football management style will be a good thing. Sam Allardyce next ?
Sprouting out eyebrows, getting more bushy by the week, now thats just confirmed it you are very nearly over that hill, no turning back now.1. For every failing he has, the man can grow quality beards, for which he should be given a chance.
As the wearer of a similar coloured, blackish greying beard, I have to say, that's a magnificent specimen he's sporting on the photos today.
Maximum respect.
You have a beard? No, no, no. My mental picture of you won't accept a hirsute chin.
I'm like Roy Keane.
Except with significantly less hair, more flab, taller and with a worse temper.
A good beard saves many indiscretions. I grow anything more than 2 days and it goes worryingly ginger. As I am not ginger haired, this perplexes me and has me going for the razor immediately. I would love a god beard, but will sadly never have a good un. The big wire like copper eyebrows that have been springing out in the last few months are very disconcerting.
Sad, but true.
Stick with it. As you get older, you'll pass through the ginger phase and go straight to grey.
After that your only real hair growth is in your nose.
Nonsense.
There's always the ears.
iv'e got no idea how this will turn out, its a bit of a surprise appointment to be fair
but just the fact that he wants to join us in the situation we are in is a positive one for us,
he will make things around VP more interesting no doubt, for good or bad
his record as a manager is not great, but he will be assistant coach so we will have to see if he can improve things, I really don't know
at least we wont have the Man Utd love in from him, he really is his own man, and he don't give a shit who he upsets,
I loved him when he said Nani should have gone in that champs league game and upset all the Man utd fans, that was pure Roy Keene at his best
I still have a problem with his premeditaded attack on another player, I view it as worse than what Suarez did, as he actually went out to cause injury to another player, rather than a reaction,
and I felt at the time he should have been thrown out of the game for that
so I understand where people like Monty are coming from, and do feel a bit dirty for actually feeling quite good about his appointment,
if only because it breaks up the moribund boredom that's set in at Villa Park over the last few years
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Those hecklers behind the dug out are going to be brickin' it this season.
Those hecklers behind the dug out are going to be brickin' it this season.Ha ha yeah, the old daily mail brigade will be sat on their hands all season.
iv'e got no idea how this will turn out, its a bit of a surprise appointment to be fair
but just the fact that he wants to join us in the situation we are in is a positive one for us,
he will make things around VP more interesting no doubt, for good or bad
his record as a manager is not great, but he will be assistant coach so we will have to see if he can improve things, I really don't know
at least we wont have the Man Utd love in from him, he really is his own man, and he don't give a shit who he upsets,
I loved him when he said Nani should have gone in that champs league game and upset all the Man utd fans, that was pure Roy Keene at his best
I still have a problem with his premeditaded attack on another player, I view it as worse than what Suarez did, as he actually went out to cause injury to another player, rather than a reaction,
and I felt at the time he should have been thrown out of the game for that
so I understand where people like Monty are coming from, and do feel a bit dirty for actually feeling quite good about his appointment,
if only because it breaks up the moribund boredom that's set in at Villa Park over the last few years
moo1. For every failing he has, the man can grow quality beards, for which he should be given a chance.
As the wearer of a similar coloured, blackish greying beard, I have to say, that's a magnificent specimen he's sporting on the photos today.
Maximum respect.
You have a beard? No, no, no. My mental picture of you won't accept a hirsute chin.
I'm like Roy Keane.
Except with significantly less hair, more flab, taller and with a worse temper.
Lambert, Keane, Sid and Marshall I would assume.
What about Given and Petrov, do you think they will get roles?Given likely, but I wouldn't be rushing stan back unless he's fully convinced he's ready.
Have they announced what the rest of the staff will be? I'd presume there's another first team coach to be 'good cop'
Nothing seems to be said of Sid's role? Would he be lined up to replace Bryan Jones as Academy Director? Or carry on as 1st team coach...?
So please enlighten me someone who is actually doing the technical and tactical coaching of the first team. It appears we have 2 'managers' an experienced youth coach and a couple of retired/about to retire players.
I see a gap. And I am concerned
Does that mean Jed has been given a bum Steer?Jed should be sent out on loan. Given's got 1-2 good years left in him at this level and I'd be happy to keep him to cover Brad.
Does that mean Jed has been given a bum Steer?Not really , he ,ll have to be roped in with all the Keepers on our Books , Saddle up with these Chaps and fight for his place , we,ll see who gets the back up spot when the dust settles . ..... Happy Trails......Godzvilla !
Exactly this. There's a difference between a no-nonsense tough guy, whom you can love because he's your tough guy, and an out-and-out thug who uses violence spitefully and vengefully for no reason other than his own narcissistic lunacy.I don't disagree with you but it's worth pointing out that the attack on Haaland had some context to it, a context which didn't reflect particularly well on Haaland either. That's not to excuse what Keane did in retaliation of course.
Exactly this. There's a difference between a no-nonsense tough guy, whom you can love because he's your tough guy, and an out-and-out thug who uses violence spitefully and vengefully for no reason other than his own narcissistic lunacy.I don't disagree with you but it's worth pointing out that the attack on Haaland had some context to it, a context which didn't reflect particularly well on Haaland either. That's not to excuse what Keane did in retaliation of course.
Exactly when Keane did his cruciate in a game against Leeds whilst lying on the floor Haaland shouted something in his ear from recollection.Yep he reckoned Keane was feigning the injury.
He thought Keane was feigning injury and was wrong about that, badly wrong, and Keane would be right to feel aggrieved about that. However, nurturing a grudge and a desire for vengeance for so many years, and exacting it with such savagery, over something someone said to you? And still being proud of it a decade and a half later? It's not just that a good man wouldn't do this - it's that a sane man wouldn't.
And whatever the background that's no excuse or justifiable provocation for deliberately setting out to injure someone.Exactly this. There's a difference between a no-nonsense tough guy, whom you can love because he's your tough guy, and an out-and-out thug who uses violence spitefully and vengefully for no reason other than his own narcissistic lunacy.I don't disagree with you but it's worth pointing out that the attack on Haaland had some context to it, a context which didn't reflect particularly well on Haaland either. That's not to excuse what Keane did in retaliation of course.
Exactly when Keane did his cruciate in a game against Leeds whilst lying on the floor Haaland shouted something in his ear from recollection.
It will end in tears. But it should be entertaining.
It will end in tears. But it should be entertaining.this
The above oodcast sees it all ending in Keane as Lamberts successor. Last 10 mins or so. Quite a good podcast overall albeit a few days out of dateIt will end in tears. But it should be entertaining.this
He thought Keane was feigning injury and was wrong about that, badly wrong, and Keane would be right to feel aggrieved about that. However, nurturing a grudge and a desire for vengeance for so many years, and exacting it with such savagery, over something someone said to you? And still being proud of it a decade and a half later? It's not just that a good man wouldn't do this - it's that a sane man wouldn't.I think it's an overreaction to conclude that Roy Keane is insane. Not a nice man, without doubt, but I think we're in danger of getting too precious here.
He thought Keane was feigning injury and was wrong about that, badly wrong, and Keane would be right to feel aggrieved about that. However, nurturing a grudge and a desire for vengeance for so many years, and exacting it with such savagery, over something someone said to you? And still being proud of it a decade and a half later? It's not just that a good man wouldn't do this - it's that a sane man wouldn't.
Reminds me of Jack Charlton's black book.
Hilts, if you're trying to claim that Keane's behaviour and repeated self-justifications in this instance lie anywhere other than outside the of the mentally sound then, I have to say, I don't believe you. If you or I knew someone who bore grudges over trivial misunderstandings like this, or who still considered that insults to them deserved violent retribution years after the fact, and who continued to be proud of doing so a decade later, we would want them to get help.As I say, I think it's an overreaction. We'll have to agree to disagree on this one.
Preciousness hardly enters into it - in fact, it's Keane's preciousness which leads to him bearing grudges like some tenth-rate mob boss. That autobiography is like the Watergate tapes with the mental cogency removed.
I wonder what people would think had he played twenty or thirty years earlier, with the likes of Nobby Stiles and Billy Bremner. Chances are they'd laugh and say the game needs more characters like that now.
I wonder what people would think had he played twenty or thirty years earlier, with the likes of Nobby Stiles and Billy Bremner. Chances are they'd laugh and say the game needs more characters like that now.
It wasn't just Bremner for Leeds though it was all eleven of them even Clarke could dish it out. In an article I read at the time Leeds were getting beat by Crystal Palace and at half time as they were going off Hunter threatened to break the legs of the opposing centre forward.
It was the norm at that time though, every team had some one who would commit a tackle akin to attempted murder, Smith at Liverpool, Harris at Chelsea, Storey at Arsenal, Stiles at Manu to name a few. The likes of Keane and the reputed "hardman" Vinnie Jones wouldn't have lived with these guys.
For me Keane was a honest player who played right on the edge of the rules.
The problem with Keane is that the same thing which made him the player he was may also have been what drove him to such explosive acts of brutality from time to time. While I know I'm against the consensus on here (I think his technical deficiencies would have been shown up in, say, today's Premier League), there's no denying he had that intangible authority on the field, and sometimes that sort of atavistic drive also shows up sometimes in his savage lapses of decency, resulting in those disciplinary issues. You can't have the player without the problems.
He wouldn't be the only one - Rooney doesn't get sent off much any more, but he seems to have lost that tumultuous force which caused things like that volley against Newcastle. That is the goal of a furious man. Nor would it be restricted to 'Home Nations' players - Balotelli seems like a more adjusted person, but the bursts of idiocy came in equal doses with the bursts of genius, and now one seems to have declined with the other.
Brum Mail (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/pictures-aston-villa-return-pre-season-7385578)Is he posing for the next Irish spot the ball competition?
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Brum Mail (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/pictures-aston-villa-return-pre-season-7385578)"Listen up ye feckers! This is how you trap a football."
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Brum Mail (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/pictures-aston-villa-return-pre-season-7385578)
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Brum Mail (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/pictures-aston-villa-return-pre-season-7385578)R:So, then I got Haaland's head under my studs like this ...
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Brum Mail (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/pictures-aston-villa-return-pre-season-7385578)
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Good pic for all those who wanted to see Keane in a villa shirt
just a bit to late
(http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/7682/j5cv0.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/823/j5cv0.jpg/)That one Roy, that bollocks is Bennett
'You see that wheelie bin over there, that's your house that is'
I may be the only one, but something about that picture makes me feel slightly more optimistic about the season ahead. He looks so much more use than Culverhouse or Karsa looked to be fair, and Lambert being more hands on can't be bad. 2 of the best midfield players in their positions in the 90's, surely they might have a clue on how to make us play decent football this season.
They really should have got Sid in that picture.I may be the only one, but something about that picture makes me feel slightly more optimistic about the season ahead. He looks so much more use than Culverhouse or Karsa looked to be fair, and Lambert being more hands on can't be bad. 2 of the best midfield players in their positions in the 90's, surely they might have a clue on how to make us play decent football this season.
I know. Two European Cup winning midfielders. How bad could it be? Surely they can pass something on that will benefit the group of players in their charge.
I may be the only one, but something about that picture makes me feel slightly more optimistic about the season ahead. He looks so much more use than Culverhouse or Karsa looked to be fair, and Lambert being more hands on can't be bad. 2 of the best midfield players in their positions in the 90's, surely they might have a clue on how to make us play decent football this season.
Keane, Lambert, with Sid just in front of them. Is there no way we can blood dope them to get them fit enough to play?
20 years ago
Keane, Lambert, with Sid just in front of them. Is there no way we can blood dope them to get them fit enough to play?
Christ almighty that would be a good midfield.
Keane, Lambert, with Sid just in front of them. Is there no way we can blood dope them to get them fit enough to play?
Christ almighty that would be a good midfield.
The medals those three have prove this.
Pure speculation, but I wonder just how much an impact a midfield like that would have if we had all three in their pomp?
This is the sort of thing Team editing on Pro Evo was made for...Keane, Lambert, with Sid just in front of them. Is there no way we can blood dope them to get them fit enough to play?
Christ almighty that would be a good midfield.
The medals those three have prove this.
Pure speculation, but I wonder just how much an impact a midfield like that would have if we had all three in their pomp?
We wouldn't have them, for a start. Be nice to dream, though.
Keane, Lambert, with Sid just in front of them. Is there no way we can blood dope them to get them fit enough to play?
Christ almighty that would be a good midfield.
The medals those three have prove this.
Pure speculation, but I wonder just how much an impact a midfield like that would have if we had all three in their pomp?
We wouldn't have them, for a start. Be nice to dream, though.
Keane, Lambert, with Sid just in front of them. Is there no way we can blood dope them to get them fit enough to play?
Christ almighty that would be a good midfield.
The problem with Keane is that the same thing which made him the player he was may also have been what drove him to such explosive acts of brutality from time to time. While I know I'm against the consensus on here (I think his technical deficiencies would have been shown up in, say, today's Premier League)...
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Keane, Lambert, with Sid just in front of them. Is there no way we can blood dope them to get them fit enough to play?
Christ almighty that would be a good midfield.
A buzzer, a cruncher and a spreader. Perfect.
I am still puzzled by Keane's appointment. If Lerner wanted creativity through conflict, you can have a little too much conflict. It makes no sense at all.
I could see a logic in hiring McLeish, even if I disagreed with it. I don't see where or why with Keane. Maybe the inpending departure of Faulkner led Lerner to seek advice from the only other name he knows, O'Neill - who must have pissed himself laughing when he put the phone down. Perhaps there was more than one letter from Ferguson and Lerner simply pulled the next one out of the safe.
It really is baffling.
Marshall as Goalkeeping coach seems fine to me, he has lots of experience at this level and was a pretty solid keeper himself.Honestly I never realised we let him go. I thought we'd kept him on at some capacity but obviously not. We probably should have. I believe he's done his badges and he's been around for years. Despite never playing we've only really heard good things about his attitude.
He carried on playing didn't he? Think he had a spell at Millwall
So is Given still coaching or is he only a player nowadays?Pretty sure he's not coaching. I recall during the summer something about him wanting to concentrate on playing.
I am not sure he is cut out to be a manager but early signs are he could be a good coach. He comes across as very knowledgeable on TV. As a player I 'liked' him in the same way I liked Souness. Couldn't stand him but wanted him in my team.
I think that Ferguson almost admits Keane intimidated even him at times, shows just how big a character he can be unchecked. As a manager I really don't see him being greatly successful, but as a number 2 it may well be perfect for him.
Amazing that all these years on MON has his managerial protégé and his current number 2 in place at Villa Park.
I think that Ferguson almost admits Keane intimidated even him at times, shows just how big a character he can be unchecked. As a manager I really don't see him being greatly successful, but as a number 2 it may well be perfect for him.
Amazing that all these years on MON has his managerial protégé and his current number 2 in place at Villa Park.
Reading between the lines I got the impression that Ferguson wasn't scared of anybody but Roy Keane definitely unsettled him for want of a better word. I think he actually admired that and thought if he makes me nervous what will he do to the opposition. Plus the motivation of team mates frightened to let him down. I was pleased when he joined us and apart from the new players something has clearly improved this season and I really do think Keane has had quite a part in that.
I think maybe he has calmed down a bit now he's juggling just the two jobs - us and Ireland - rather than the three, having stepped down as President of Iran.
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He was probably thinking about Alfe-Inge Haaland.I think maybe he has calmed down a bit now he's juggling just the two jobs - us and Ireland - rather than the three, having stepped down as President of Iran.
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That can't be him, Paulie. There's no way he would be able to smile like that.
I reckon he's more your average honey badger:
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It's the thought that he could explode more than the fact that he does that is intimidating. That and he is genuinely one of the top PL footballers of all time affords him tremendous respect.
It is an interesting one. I'm not saying it is the case with Roy Keane, but being a manager just doesn't suit some people and they are far more suited to more of a background coaching role. There have been numerous examples of assistant managers or coaches who have found themselves in the top job and it hasn't worked (Steve Clarke, Phil Brown etc). I've always found it strange that they never seem willing to go back to being an assistant after that and stick to being a manager no matter how far down the leagues it takes them.
He isn't the main man at the Villa, so perhaps acts differently. The Grealish story suggests that he may use a bit more quiet menace to get his message across.
He isn't the main man at the Villa, so perhaps acts differently. The Grealish story suggests that he may use a bit more quiet menace to get his message across.
I think you will find that he is the main man.
He isn't the main man at the Villa, so perhaps acts differently. The Grealish story suggests that he may use a bit more quiet menace to get his message across.
I think you will find that he is the main man.
No, I don't think he is.
I think Ads and Lee's point is that Paul Lambert is still the person in charge. So in a football sense, Keane still isn't 'the main man'. Lambert is.He isn't the main man at the Villa, so perhaps acts differently. The Grealish story suggests that he may use a bit more quiet menace to get his message across.
I think you will find that he is the main man.
No, I don't think he is.
I am not making myself clear. The main man is Randy Lerner. I meant in a football sense. Keane seems to know what it takes (as he should) to create a competitive team and at the moment we are a professional outfit who are getting a bit of respect from the sports media.
He worked under Clough and it shows.
I caught a bit of BT's pre-match coverage of the QPR-Stoke game. They were talking about how a newly promoted team should develop an identity to help them stay up. The one pundit who is/was a Stoke player that used to play for Sunderland talked about how Keane's expectations were too high and how that affected the players. He gave a couple of examples - 1) telling a player that he's the reason why he's having to drive 100 miles to scout a replacement for him and 2) how at the end of the season he told the players he was ordering 30 hoodies. Reason being that for the lap of honour they should be ashamed of themselves and hide their heads. Clearly not somebody to piss off.
Isn't Steve Clarke back as an assistant somewhere now.
Couldn't help but grin at this.Was gonna post this. That's quality. Pique doesn't look like a shrinking violet either. Keano's got that crazy stare thing going, a bit like Jack Nicholson in the Shining.
Gerard Pique admits he was (and still is) terrified of Roy Keane (https://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/gerard-piques-admits-still-terrified-roy-keane-172938685--sow.html)
Paul Lambert warns anyone mentioned in Roy Keane's autobiography to 'take cover' ahead of the release of the book
Paul Lambert has seen an advanced copy of Roy Keane's autobiography
By Laurie Whitwell for MailOnline
Paul Lambert has advice for anyone caught in the crosshairs of Roy Keane’s latest book: ‘Take cover!’
The Aston Villa manager has been granted a preview look at his assistant’s autobiography update, titled ‘The Second Half’, which goes on sale on October 9.
Sir Alex Ferguson is expected to come in for fierce words after the former Manchester United manager offered severe criticism of Keane in his book released last year.
Mention of the Keane’s literary effort to Lambert, published two days before Ireland face Gibraltar at the Aviva Stadium, brought a smile to the face of the Aston Villa manager. He offered a simple but revealing review.
‘I’ve seen bits of it,’ he said. ‘And it’ll be… aye… listen, take cover like. It will be good reading put it that way. Great night-time reading.’
Lambert said the club had not needed to vet Keane’s writing, adding, ‘I’m pretty sure it will be alright’, and joked any passages about him would be minimal.
‘He’s got a full stop dedicated to me,’ laughed Lambert.
On their relationship at Villa, Lambert added: ‘He’s been really great round about the place. We have a good laugh, it’s not all serious. He’s got great experience of football, a great guy to have beside me.’
I think Ads and Lee's point is that Paul Lambert is still the person in charge. So in a football sense, Keane still isn't 'the main man'. Lambert is.He isn't the main man at the Villa, so perhaps acts differently. The Grealish story suggests that he may use a bit more quiet menace to get his message across.
I think you will find that he is the main man.
No, I don't think he is.
I am not making myself clear. The main man is Randy Lerner. I meant in a football sense. Keane seems to know what it takes (as he should) to create a competitive team and at the moment we are a professional outfit who are getting a bit of respect from the sports media.
He worked under Clough and it shows.
Currently doing the rounds on Twitter
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At least he has brought a bit of much-needed fun to this season - it has been so dour for 4 years...
At least he has brought a bit of much-needed fun to this season - it has been so dour for 4 years...
Ha ha! Brilliant anecdote for any Villa fan to enjoy.
https://twitter.com/andrewroache/status/519572167088812033
Ha ha! Brilliant anecdote for any Villa fan to enjoy.
https://twitter.com/andrewroache/status/519572167088812033
Ha ha! Brilliant anecdote for any Villa fan to enjoy.
https://twitter.com/andrewroache/status/519572167088812033
Roy McLaren was the last one.Trended on Twitter?
Been a while since the Villa Assistant manager hit the bestsellers list or trended on twitter.
Ha ha! Brilliant anecdote for any Villa fan to enjoy.
https://twitter.com/andrewroache/status/519572167088812033
Ha ha! Brilliant anecdote for any Villa fan to enjoy.
https://twitter.com/andrewroache/status/519572167088812033
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BzaGZvpCcAACspd.jpg)This wins the internet. Hands down.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BzaGZvpCcAACspd.jpg)Excellent.
Nah, sorry, he's horrible, just can't see any positive spin on this.
http://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/Stoke-City-Roy-Keane-sinks-new-low-Clive-Clarke/story-23054603-detail/story.html
No, but there are lots of steps between "wishing death on somebody" and "decent, normal human being".Nah, sorry, he's horrible, just can't see any positive spin on this.
http://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/Stoke-City-Roy-Keane-sinks-new-low-Clive-Clarke/story-23054603-detail/story.html
Not that fussed. He hardly wished death on him.
I think Keane's book it going to bring all sorts of attention and reaction onto us in the coming weeks.
I expect that it'll bring a fair bit of attention onto him, but then again he's got books to shift.I think Keane's book it going to bring all sorts of attention and reaction onto us in the coming weeks.
I bet it doesn't.
Do you not think it will. There will be a circus around him in the next few weeks.
Do you not think it will. There will be a circus around him in the next few weeks.
Again, I doubt it. 'Ex-player writes book' isn't a massive story.
I did like this quote from Keane -
"To be honest I never cared much for Manchester United fans. For the most part they're clueless glory hunters, trying to add a sense of accomplishment to their own pointless lives by jumping on the bandwagon of a successful sporting club, in many cases on the other side of the world."
I did like this quote from Keane -
"To be honest I never cared much for Manchester United fans. For the most part they're clueless glory hunters, trying to add a sense of accomplishment to their own pointless lives by jumping on the bandwagon of a successful sporting club, in many cases on the other side of the world."
That may well be my favourite sporting quote of all time. Even better than that 'If' poem at Wimbledon that Bjorn Borg writ.
Guardian Quiz. Mussolini, Keane or Confucius (http://www.theguardian.com/football/shortcuts/quiz/2014/oct/08/who-said-it-roy-keane-autobiography-the-second-half-quiz)
I scored 7
Other Guardian articles
Keane: ‘mid-life crisis has been going on for years’ (http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/oct/07/roy-keane-mid-life-crisis-autobiography)
Keane reveals details behind explosive United exit (http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/oct/06/roy-keane-manchester-united-sir-alex-ferguson)
Roy Keane: 10 more gems, including Abba, Robbie Savage and Cork men (http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/oct/07/roy-keane-abba-robbie-savage-ellis-short-pablo-counago)
If Roy Keane hates ABBA, then; he'll do for me.
If Roy Keane hates ABBA, then; he'll do for me.
ABBA are fucking brillo pads.
And Brotherhood of Man are fucking haddock.If Roy Keane hates ABBA, then; he'll do for me.
ABBA are fucking brill.
And Brotherhood of Man are fucking haddock.If Roy Keane hates ABBA, then; he'll do for me.
ABBA are fucking brill.
And Brotherhood of Man are fucking haddock.If Roy Keane hates ABBA, then; he'll do for me.
ABBA are fucking brill.
Angelorrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
I think Keane's book it going to bring all sorts of attention and reaction onto us in the coming weeks.
I bet it doesn't.
The former United captain also reflected on how Ferguson had withdrawn his loan players from Preston North End after his son, Darren, had been sacked as their manager – and how Stoke City, then managed by Pulis, had followed suit. “[Roberto] Martínez reckons he was misquoted a few years ago when he said Ferguson had his disciples. But he obviously does. When a manager takes players away from being on loan – I think it was Preston – when his son [Darren] got the sack. And, all of a sudden, all the players are being brought back from their loans.”
He was interviewed on Radio 4 this morning, talking about the season ticket he still holds at Man United.he'll only get to use it once this season though presumably, unless of course we get the barstads in the 3rd round there again.
Sickening the control Ferguson had/has. Could almost say he was a contributory factor for McLeish being at the Villa!
That beard is beginning to take on McGregor like proportions.
Could it be that Mr.McGregor has been reincarnated?
We have been saying for years how we are too nice as a team, especially in the dressing room. Now we have someone who doesn't take any shit from anyone and is respected by players of close to his generation. He goes way too far sometimes, but you can already see the difference he is making to the attitude of the team especially the defence - players are openly saying how much more intense training is. He is just what we needed at the time. I don't think he will stay long judging by his comments today, but, I would rather him be here than anywhere else.
That beard is beginning to take on McGregor like proportions.
Could it be that Mr.McGregor has been reincarnated?
Too late...the beard is gone, baby:
https://twitter.com/FAIreland/status/520652623670935552/photo/1
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It's all a bit small-time, this fawning over Keane. And the desperate hope that his lack of tact will somehow boost our relevance and newsworthiness.
Proof positive that as a club we've lost our cojones over the past four years.
If he was an assistant manager at Everton, Tottenham or any other club similar in size to us they'd be indifferent to this sideshow. Probably even embarrassed about it. In contrast to Coventry, MK Dons or similar pish who would be grateful for the publicity.
A shame about the beard though. It was like having the Bull McCabe prowling the touchline. Magnificent effort.
We have been saying for years how we are too nice as a team, especially in the dressing room. Now we have someone who doesn't take any shit from anyone and is respected by players of close to his generation. He goes way too far sometimes, but you can already see the difference he is making to the attitude of the team especially the defence - players are openly saying how much more intense training is. He is just what we needed at the time. I don't think he will stay long judging by his comments today, but, I would rather him be here than anywhere else.
It seems he is a good fit for us at this time. After best part of a decade with what appears to be either abject or zero training methods of note.
I could almost be brought to tear on the wasted opportunites of 2006-2011 before we morphed into a shell of a club for 3 years.
It's all a bit small-time, this fawning over Keane. And the desperate hope that his lack of tact will somehow boost our relevance and newsworthiness.
Proof positive that as a club we've lost our cojones over the past four years.
If he was an assistant manager at Everton, Tottenham or any other club similar in size to us they'd be indifferent to this sideshow. Probably even embarrassed about it. In contrast to Coventry, MK Dons or similar pish who would be grateful for the publicity.
A shame about the beard though. It was like having the Bull McCabe prowling the touchline. Magnificent effort.
Whoever Roy Keane, or any big-name former Manchester United player, happened to be working for, their autobiography being released would be news, particularly in international week (which I doubt is coincidental). Apart from that nobody's really taking much notice of him so it's not proof positive of anything and certainly not a reason for whyohwhy hand-wringing.
Just noticed his ghostwriter is Roddy Doyle, is that the Commitments Roddy Doyle or a namesake?
Just noticed his ghostwriter is Roddy Doyle, is that the Commitments Roddy Doyle or a namesake?
It's the same Roddy Doyle.
Just noticed his ghostwriter is Roddy Doyle, is that the Commitments Roddy Doyle or a namesake?
It's the same Roddy Doyle.
Roy Keane has said he will quit Aston Villa if his work with the Republic of Ireland suffers.
Paul Lambert's assistant manager at Villa Park is also No.2 to Martin O'Neill at the Republic of Ireland – and he said Villa boss Lambert was well aware of his position.
“I feel that if I am taking my eye off the ball with Ireland, then I will leave Aston Villa,” said Keane.
“There is no doubt about that. I have told Paul Lambert that, told Martin that and told the FAI that.
“But at the moment, it is OK. If we lose three or four on the spin (with Ireland), then I will leave Villa.
“But I’m still getting to games, I am on the training pitch at Villa, improving and am working with Irish lads like young Jack Grealish.
“The guilt would kill me if I thought ‘I am on a cushy one here’. I couldn’t work that way.
“I said before that you could do only one job, but I said that because I was only in the Ireland job a short period of time.
“I didn’t just jump into it with Villa. I sat down with Paul Lambert, had a think, and sat down Martin and the FAI and thought, I can adapt to this.
“It felt like a full-time job, but, having been in the Ireland job a while, I felt I could manage to do both.”
Meanwhile, Keane praised his namesake Robbie following the striker’s 12-minute hat-trick in the Republic’s 7-0 European Championship qualifying victory over Gibraltar on Saturday.
“He keeps doing it, he keeps doing the business and trains well, he’s a good professional. I’m not surprised by that at all,’’ said Keane.
Just noticed his ghostwriter is Roddy Doyle, is that the Commitments Roddy Doyle or a namesake?
It's the same Roddy Doyle.
I was thumbing through the book in Sainsburys today and I noticed that the photos in the middle had all been printed twice. Checked another copy and it was exactly the same. Strange. There's a picture of Keane in a Villa tracky with Lambert. Actually, there's two pictures.
QuoteRoy Keane has said he will quit Aston Villa if his work with the Republic of Ireland suffers.
Paul Lambert's assistant manager at Villa Park is also No.2 to Martin O'Neill at the Republic of Ireland – and he said Villa boss Lambert was well aware of his position.
“I feel that if I am taking my eye off the ball with Ireland, then I will leave Aston Villa,” said Keane.
“There is no doubt about that. I have told Paul Lambert that, told Martin that and told the FAI that.
“But at the moment, it is OK. If we lose three or four on the spin (with Ireland), then I will leave Villa.
“But I’m still getting to games, I am on the training pitch at Villa, improving and am working with Irish lads like young Jack Grealish.
“The guilt would kill me if I thought ‘I am on a cushy one here’. I couldn’t work that way.
“I said before that you could do only one job, but I said that because I was only in the Ireland job a short period of time.
“I didn’t just jump into it with Villa. I sat down with Paul Lambert, had a think, and sat down Martin and the FAI and thought, I can adapt to this.
“It felt like a full-time job, but, having been in the Ireland job a while, I felt I could manage to do both.”
Meanwhile, Keane praised his namesake Robbie following the striker’s 12-minute hat-trick in the Republic’s 7-0 European Championship qualifying victory over Gibraltar on Saturday.
“He keeps doing it, he keeps doing the business and trains well, he’s a good professional. I’m not surprised by that at all,’’ said Keane.
Quote“I feel that if I am taking my eye off the ball with Ireland, then I will leave Aston Villa,” said Keane.
“But at the moment, it is OK. If we lose three or four on the spin (with Ireland), then I will leave Villa.
Yep, spot on and a coma with no idea when or or we awake.Maybe we'll re-enact Kill Bill. We'll come out of our coma seeking vengeance on the rest of the Premiership. We'll lay waste to all who come to Villa park and we'll win the league. We'd have to play in an all yellow Kit though, and have Uma Thurman as our team mascot.
Yep, spot on and a coma with no idea when or or we awake.
Yep, spot on and a coma with no idea when or or we awake.
Yep, spot on and a coma with no idea when or or we awake.
It's had the affect on most of the fans too based on some of the dross we have played in recent times.
Well, I have to say I am very disappointed that no-one has commented "Do you really think we'll pull through?"
Well, I have to say I am very disappointed that no-one has commented "Do you really think we'll pull through?"
There were times when I could have murdered Herd
Well, I have to say I am very disappointed that no-one has commented "Do you really think we'll pull through?"
I'm sure Roy would rather have Uma whispering in his ear that our big cuddly Lion.Yep, spot on and a coma with no idea when or or we awake.Maybe we'll re-enact Kill Bill. We'll come out of our coma seeking vengeance on the rest of the Premiership. We'll lay waste to all who come to Villa park and we'll win the league. We'd have to play in an all yellow Kit though, and have Uma Thurman as our team mascot.
Well, I have to say I am very disappointed that no-one has commented "Do you really think we'll pull through?"
There were times when I could have murdered Herd
I would hate anything to happen to him, though.
Conversely, Uma would probably rather have a Lion whispering in her ear than Roy Keane.I'm sure Roy would rather have Uma whispering in his ear that our big cuddly Lion.Yep, spot on and a coma with no idea when or or we awake.Maybe we'll re-enact Kill Bill. We'll come out of our coma seeking vengeance on the rest of the Premiership. We'll lay waste to all who come to Villa park and we'll win the league. We'd have to play in an all yellow Kit though, and have Uma Thurman as our team mascot.
Well, I have to say I am very disappointed that no-one has commented "Do you really think we'll pull through?"
There were times when I could have murdered Herd
I would hate anything to happen to him, though.
Never mind Morrissey, the band we resemble most at the moment is our assistant manager's namesake, Keane. Bland, insipid and utterly lacking in imagination.
When they announced the new contract for Lambert there was Panic on the streets of Birmingham.Ban the DJ.
I'm sure Roy would rather have Uma whispering in his ear that our big cuddly Lion.Yep, spot on and a coma with no idea when or or we awake.Maybe we'll re-enact Kill Bill. We'll come out of our coma seeking vengeance on the rest of the Premiership. We'll lay waste to all who come to Villa park and we'll win the league. We'd have to play in an all yellow Kit though, and have Uma Thurman as our team mascot.
I think Keane is doing a great job. There is some steel, organisation and desire to be seen on the pitch this season (something that has sadly been missing for far too long). I actually like him. I find his honesty refreshing. He's a battler. Being Irish (and agreeing to that job first after having 3 years out of football) it's not a big shock to me that he would put more emphasis on that job than ours. I hope in time he has a genuine affection for us and continues to do a great job for us for a considerable time. I like the way he's come out and called Ferguson too - about time somebody did.
I'm sure Roy would rather have Uma whispering in his ear that our big cuddly Lion.Yep, spot on and a coma with no idea when or or we awake.Maybe we'll re-enact Kill Bill. We'll come out of our coma seeking vengeance on the rest of the Premiership. We'll lay waste to all who come to Villa park and we'll win the league. We'd have to play in an all yellow Kit though, and have Uma Thurman as our team mascot.
By the way, am I the only person on Earth who thinks Uma Thurman is ugly? Ever since Pulp Fiction when people were tripping on how amazing looking she was I thought she was very unpleasant to look at. Just... wrong, somehow.
Pretty or not she's too tall for me anyway. The only place I'd be able to whisper into is her fanny!I'm sure Roy would rather have Uma whispering in his ear that our big cuddly Lion.Yep, spot on and a coma with no idea when or or we awake.Maybe we'll re-enact Kill Bill. We'll come out of our coma seeking vengeance on the rest of the Premiership. We'll lay waste to all who come to Villa park and we'll win the league. We'd have to play in an all yellow Kit though, and have Uma Thurman as our team mascot.
By the way, am I the only person on Earth who thinks Uma Thurman is ugly? Ever since Pulp Fiction when people were tripping on how amazing looking she was I thought she was very unpleasant to look at. Just... wrong, somehow.
Well, I have to say I am very disappointed that no-one has commented "Do you really think we'll pull through?"
I think I may have just followed through if that's any help.
Speaking of the band has there ever been a more characterless front man in the history of music
Speaking of the band has there ever been a more characterless front man in the history of music
I always used to hate their pianist, who used to jump around in a "look at me, I might be playing the piano, but I'm still rocking out" style thing.
Deeply irritating.
I disagree we are most like Keane, though - Keane had a few hits.
I think Keane is doing a great job. There is some steel, organisation and desire to be seen on the pitch this season (something that has sadly been missing for far too long). I actually like him. I find his honesty refreshing. He's a battler. Being Irish (and agreeing to that job first after having 3 years out of football) it's not a big shock to me that he would put more emphasis on that job than ours. I hope in time he has a genuine affection for us and continues to do a great job for us for a considerable time. I like the way he's come out and called Ferguson too - about time somebody did.
I don't think Keane does 'affection', Diablo. He is quite professional though!
Speaking of the band has there ever been a more characterless front man in the history of music
Roy Keane has launched an attack on the network of ex-Manchester United players who he claims are afraid to criticise the club, likening the culture to the mafia.
The former midfielder, who spent 12 years at the club across one of its most successful eras, also compared the club to Disneyland for the way it is viewed by some of those connected at the club.
“When I look at United there’s just a lot of propaganda now, a lot of nonsense gets spoken, a lot of ex-players now work for the club, they are on contracts, ex-players from the 60s and 70s working for United and they always try to kid you on,” Keane said, before discussing the fall-out from his take on Nani's read card in a Champions League tie against Real Madrid.
“I had it with all the Nani stuff. My opinion was Nani meant it, he saw the guy coming, and he definitely meant it – the guy deserved to be sent off. But I remember Robbo (Bryan Robson) the next day. Robbo, who works for Man United – great player he was, but he’s employed by Man United so he’s got to comment on Man United, and what do you think he’s going to say? ‘Keaney’ – and I can still remember him saying it like that – ‘Keaney was the only one at Old Trafford who thought it was a red card.’ Well, the fucking referee thought it was a red card.
“That’s why I took a step back from Man United. They’re all decent lads, don’t get me wrong, but it’s almost like a mafia situation. If you think it’s a sending-off or David Gill might be wrong or Alex Ferguson, you say it. These people are just: ‘It’s Man United, woh!’ It’s like Disneyland – Man United Land, with fucking Mickey Mouse running everywhere."
QuoteRoy Keane has launched an attack on the network of ex-Manchester United players who he claims are afraid to criticise the club, likening the culture to the mafia.
The former midfielder, who spent 12 years at the club across one of its most successful eras, also compared the club to Disneyland for the way it is viewed by some of those connected at the club.
“When I look at United there’s just a lot of propaganda now, a lot of nonsense gets spoken, a lot of ex-players now work for the club, they are on contracts, ex-players from the 60s and 70s working for United and they always try to kid you on,” Keane said, before discussing the fall-out from his take on Nani's read card in a Champions League tie against Real Madrid.
“I had it with all the Nani stuff. My opinion was Nani meant it, he saw the guy coming, and he definitely meant it – the guy deserved to be sent off. But I remember Robbo (Bryan Robson) the next day. Robbo, who works for Man United – great player he was, but he’s employed by Man United so he’s got to comment on Man United, and what do you think he’s going to say? ‘Keaney’ – and I can still remember him saying it like that – ‘Keaney was the only one at Old Trafford who thought it was a red card.’ Well, the fucking referee thought it was a red card.
“That’s why I took a step back from Man United. They’re all decent lads, don’t get me wrong, but it’s almost like a mafia situation. If you think it’s a sending-off or David Gill might be wrong or Alex Ferguson, you say it. These people are just: ‘It’s Man United, woh!’ It’s like Disneyland – Man United Land, with fucking Mickey Mouse running everywhere."
I've just had an image of Man Utd Land, probably just off the M62 , and I think it's a goer.Probably full of tourists from London and South East Asia.
I've just had an image of Man Utd Land, probably just off the M62 , and I think it's a goer.
From the bits I could see I thought he looked pretty disinterested last night
From the bits I could see I thought he looked pretty disinterested last night
At one point last night it looked like he saying a couple of Hail Marys. Of course he could just have been praying that Lambert gets the boot and he can go too with a nice little severance package.
From the bits I could see I thought he looked pretty disinterested last night
At one point last night it looked like he saying a couple of Hail Marys. Of course he could just have been praying that Lambert gets the boot and he can go too with a nice little severance package.
Or maybe he's thinking how he'll do things differently when he gets the job.
Keane will be gone before Xmas. His heart's not in it, and let's be honest he hasn't made a scrap of difference. We are still shit.
I Genuinely don't think he'd take it. The Ireland gig suits him right now, and why take on mission impossible, when he's now part of the problem.
He'd be on a hiding to nothing if he took it on and if there's one thing Keane is, I'd say it was calculating.
The novelty value having Keane around has certainly worn off. It's just a gig to him. He's probably, by his standards, been quite restrained and we're still playing very much like a Paul Lambert side (unfortunately). And yes, he'll be gone in the next couple of months.
As for the prospect of him taking over should Lambert get shoved? No chance in hell. He's worked with these players and has sat and watched them from the touchline. If that's not enough to put someone off, I don't know what is. I think he's getting more and more bored of us by the minute probably. He's had enough exposure back in the Prem for his book. Once Crimbo has gone and the interest in that wanes, or gets overtaken by someone elses book (Rio has one coming out), then he'll go back to his cushy Ireland job.
He seems to prefer the No2 position at the moment. He comes in, does his thing, doesn't get any blame, doesn't deal with the politics.
I wasn't impressed by the appointment, but it seems a bit harsh to be lumping so much blame on Keane.
I'd say it's the fault of the management team collectively that we're playing so poorly.Along with the players themselves.
I'd say it's the fault of the management team collectively that we're playing so poorly.
I wasn't impressed by the appointment, but it seems a bit harsh to be lumping so much blame on Keane.
I doubt he thinks we're a small club. he said that we weren't a sleeping giant but one in a coma. If he thought we were a small club he would have made some remarks related to that. people in and around the game now Villa are a big club, or at least we are off the pitch so I disagree wholeheartedly with your post.
Jesus it just gets worse. Decked a fan by accounts on twatter
Jesus it just gets worse. Decked a fan by accounts on twatter
Other way around, it seems. Another assistant manager coming up, then.
Why would you take on Roy Keane and especially over something as trivial as signing a book?
Another potential example of why you should not jump to conclusions.
It's the problem with twitter, news breaks fast but not always accurately.I take it you'll think twice before believing it next time, then?
Still waiting for the full facts I guess . Punches may or may not have been thrown in both directions .It's the problem with twitter, news breaks fast but not always accurately.I take it you'll think twice before believing it next time, then?
You still jumped to conclusions, including that he would leave / be fired as assistant.I did. Need to start filtering everything I read on twitter .
You still jumped to conclusions, including that he would leave / be fired as assistant.I did. Need to start filtering everything I read on twitter .
Who knows, but if his was sparked by not signing an autograph then silly but I can somewhat see how it happened.
When he was Ireland assistant he came to villa park to watch a game, we are in the family stand and before the game talk outside to friends and the stewards who we have known for years on the steps on the players carpark, for the last 3 years about the most enjoyable part of the day.... Roy came in and was asked for an autograph by a kid and family and he was exceptionally rude didn't swear but but was just so dismissive and seemed to go out of his way to be awkward, he said I don't sign these as all you do is go and sell them later...got my back up as there was just no need and if I had any pull would have told him to sling his hook there and then and watch the game on match of the day.
I must say I am surprised at anyone jumping to the defense of Roy Keane and yet others hoping he had decked MON, a perfect gentleman.
Reporter: "I expect to get the stare but I'm going to ask it anyway. Martin was asked before the match about the incident, and he said it was a distraction, but he'd moved on. In the last six months - I'd like your thoughts on this - between the Celtic link, Villa link, the book being published and the incident last week."
Keane interrupts: "'I'm not giving you any comment. Why would you think I have to give you an opinion on everything? Do you think you've a right to sit there and ask me anything you want and get an answer? I think I've been more than fair with you."
Reporter: "You have. But my point is Martin has been asked about distractions. Has he had enough of those distractions?"
Keane: "What are you asking me for? What are you talking about? What distractions? Can I do anything about the Celtic stuff?"
Reporter: "Yeah, Celtic and Villa."
Keane: "Can I do anything about them things that come up? If I get approached about a job and I'm up front with the manager and the media, do you want me to... how is that a distraction? What can I do about that? You're making out I'm bringing all these distractions on."
Reporter: "So they just happen, they're just coincidences?"
Keane: "Well, if a club approaches me, these things just happen, yeah. How is the book....you think the book's a distraction to a group of professional people? Do me a favour.
"And then people all writing about the incident the other night, lies... and people have got pals and talking to them. You think I've got to justify that to everyone? You all sit there and think I've got to answer to everything?
"Who in the hell do you think you are? I've got to answer to you? I answer to the FAI and Martin. And if we don't get the right results, I'll be gone and you won't lose a minute's sleep,so don't worry about distractions. The things you write about are distractions."
Reporter: "It was an obvious thing to write about. There was an incident, so we had to write about it."
Keane: "Exactly. But you're on about Celtic and Aston Villa. What do you want me to do about them? If Celtic approached me, what did you want me to say? You couldn't get enough of it. So what can I do about the Celtic situation?"
Reporter: "I don't know. It was extraordinary that Martin brought it into our attention."
Keane: "And what other incidents? The book? Do you think the book was a distraction? An agreement was made six months before it was out."
Press officer attempts to intervene: "Leave it there, thanks."
Keane: "Ask Martin. What's he said?"
Reporter: "I think he's had enough of these (distractions)."
Keane: "Go and ask him. Go and see him in the lobby. You're not brave enough to ask him?"
Reporter: "I am brave enough to ask him."
Keane: "Go and ask him. You're asking me what Martin O'Neill might be thinking? Why don't you ask Martin?"
Press officer: "All right."
Keane: "What if we qualified? Do you think it will be a distraction? Are you thinking it's all a distraction from the result the other night?"
Reporter: "It was the build-up to the game for 24 hours. Everyone was talking about it."
Keane: "What was the problem?"
Reporter: "We were all talking about it."
Keane: "Talking about what? Talking about something you don't have a clue about, and everyone writing lies. The usual nonsense. 'This happened, that happened..."'
Second reporter: "You said you wouldn't talk about Frank [Gillespie] and what happened the other night. Have you anything to say about it?"
Keane: "Frank? You know him?"
Second reporter: "Yes."
Keane: "Of course you do. You know him well. You know Mick McCarthy well, don't you? You know Frank well, don't you?"
Second reporter: "Do you want to say anything about the other night?"
Keane doesn't respond. He gets up and leaves the room. As he does, the two reporters thank him. He pauses briefly and says: "For what?"
First reporter: "For your time."
Keane having a go at at Jack Grealish's dad in a press conference today...
Was at a corporate do in Dublin yesterday with Roy Keane and MON. Standard q&a session hosted by local radio journalist. Keane wound MON up a treat by saying he now had 3 months off before his next competitive game, he also made a light hearted joke and said it wasn't a great time at Villa at the moment.
No tough questions as they had to be submitted beforehand and were obviously vetted. They were asked what was their favourite curry, and have they tried the Villa balti pie, MON put on an Indian accent and said there were quite a lot of Indians in Birmingham! I thought it was bizarre, but most of the audience seemed to laugh with him. Keane said he liked chicken korma.
Was at a corporate do in Dublin yesterday with Roy Keane and MON. Standard q&a session hosted by local radio journalist. Keane wound MON up a treat by saying he now had 3 months off before his next competitive game, he also made a light hearted joke and said it wasn't a great time at Villa at the moment.
No tough questions as they had to be submitted beforehand and were obviously vetted. They were asked what was their favourite curry, and have they tried the Villa balti pie, MON put on an Indian accent and said there were quite a lot of Indians in Birmingham! I thought it was bizarre, but most of the audience seemed to laugh with him. Keane said he liked chicken korma.
Was at a corporate do in Dublin yesterday with Roy Keane and MON. Standard q&a session hosted by local radio journalist. Keane wound MON up a treat by saying he now had 3 months off before his next competitive game, he also made a light hearted joke and said it wasn't a great time at Villa at the moment.Not sure if serious
No tough questions as they had to be submitted beforehand and were obviously vetted. They were asked what was their favourite curry, and have they tried the Villa balti pie, MON put on an Indian accent and said there were quite a lot of Indians in Birmingham! I thought it was bizarre, but most of the audience seemed to laugh with him. Keane said he liked chicken korma.
Was at a corporate do in Dublin yesterday with Roy Keane and MON. Standard q&a session hosted by local radio journalist. Keane wound MON up a treat by saying he now had 3 months off before his next competitive game, he also made a light hearted joke and said it wasn't a great time at Villa at the moment.
No tough questions as they had to be submitted beforehand and were obviously vetted. They were asked what was their favourite curry, and have they tried the Villa balti pie, MON put on an Indian accent and said there were quite a lot of Indians in Birmingham! I thought it was bizarre, but most of the audience seemed to laugh with him. Keane said he liked chicken korma.
Was at a corporate do in Dublin yesterday with Roy Keane and MON. Standard q&a session hosted by local radio journalist. Keane wound MON up a treat by saying he now had 3 months off before his next competitive game, he also made a light hearted joke and said it wasn't a great time at Villa at the moment.
No tough questions as they had to be submitted beforehand and were obviously vetted. They were asked what was their favourite curry, and have they tried the Villa balti pie, MON put on an Indian accent and said there were quite a lot of Indians in Birmingham! I thought it was bizarre, but most of the audience seemed to laugh with him. Keane said he liked chicken korma.
And another thing, it's ok for Keane to have a pop at the 'prawn sandwich brigade' over their extremely bland choice of refreshment, and yet he's a fan of chicken korma?
Pfft.
Was at a corporate do in Dublin yesterday with Roy Keane and MON. Standard q&a session hosted by local radio journalist. Keane wound MON up a treat by saying he now had 3 months off before his next competitive game, he also made a light hearted joke and said it wasn't a great time at Villa at the moment.
No tough questions as they had to be submitted beforehand and were obviously vetted. They were asked what was their favourite curry, and have they tried the Villa balti pie, MON put on an Indian accent and said there were quite a lot of Indians in Birmingham! I thought it was bizarre, but most of the audience seemed to laugh with him. Keane said he liked chicken korma.
And another thing, it's ok for Keane to have a pop at the 'prawn sandwich brigade' over their extremely bland choice of refreshment, and yet he's a fan of chicken korma?
Pfft.
that's what I thought...a Korma ? no offence Ladies but that's a girl's curry Roy....tsk
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Was at a corporate do in Dublin yesterday with Roy Keane and MON. Standard q&a session hosted by local radio journalist. Keane wound MON up a treat by saying he now had 3 months off before his next competitive game, he also made a light hearted joke and said it wasn't a great time at Villa at the moment.
No tough questions as they had to be submitted beforehand and were obviously vetted. They were asked what was their favourite curry, and have they tried the Villa balti pie, MON put on an Indian accent and said there were quite a lot of Indians in Birmingham! I thought it was bizarre, but most of the audience seemed to laugh with him. Keane said he liked chicken korma.
And another thing, it's ok for Keane to have a pop at the 'prawn sandwich brigade' over their extremely bland choice of refreshment, and yet he's a fan of chicken korma?
Pfft.
that's what I thought...a Korma ? no offence Ladies but that's a girl's curry Roy....tsk
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I bet he washes it down with half a shandy, little finger cocked as he sips it, the puff.
Was at a corporate do in Dublin yesterday with Roy Keane and MON. Standard q&a session hosted by local radio journalist. Keane wound MON up a treat by saying he now had 3 months off before his next competitive game, he also made a light hearted joke and said it wasn't a great time at Villa at the moment.
No tough questions as they had to be submitted beforehand and were obviously vetted. They were asked what was their favourite curry, and have they tried the Villa balti pie, MON put on an Indian accent and said there were quite a lot of Indians in Birmingham! I thought it was bizarre, but most of the audience seemed to laugh with him. Keane said he liked chicken korma.
And another thing, it's ok for Keane to have a pop at the 'prawn sandwich brigade' over their extremely bland choice of refreshment, and yet he's a fan of chicken korma?
Pfft.
Was at a corporate do in Dublin yesterday with Roy Keane and MON. Standard q&a session hosted by local radio journalist. Keane wound MON up a treat by saying he now had 3 months off before his next competitive game, he also made a light hearted joke and said it wasn't a great time at Villa at the moment.For someone who is a supposed scholar of forensic detail I'm surprised he didn't know that the Indians he made reference to were more than likely from Bangladesh but hey, what's a different country between friends
No tough questions as they had to be submitted beforehand and were obviously vetted. They were asked what was their favourite curry, and have they tried the Villa balti pie, MON put on an Indian accent and said there were quite a lot of Indians in Birmingham! I thought it was bizarre, but most of the audience seemed to laugh with him. Keane said he liked chicken korma.
that's what I thought...a Korma ? no offence Ladies but that's a girl's curry Roy....tskOr hospital food?
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:)that's what I thought...a Korma ? no offence Ladies but that's a girl's curry Roy....tskOr hospital food?
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Curries which are not hot are not curries, they're just plain food. In the same way as Alcohol free beer is just a plain drink.
Curries which are not hot are not curries, they're just plain food. In the same way as Alcohol free beer is just a plain drink.
Ooo i disagree Bren'd, a curry doesn't have to be hot to have taste. That in mind i still don't agree with Keane's choice.
it's funny you should say that. Only last week I found myself in a great little French bistro in Leamington reading a little of Jean Baudrillard's poetry whilst waiting for my sole meuniere.
it's funny you should say that. Only last week I found myself in a great little French bistro in Leamington reading a little of Jean Baudrillard's poetry whilst waiting for my sole meuniere.
that sounds less like a confession and more like a line from a half remembered song. I'm sure I've heard Fat Les sing something similar. Anyway I like Korma , especially for breakfast.
My name is john, and I'm a mild curry lover
Everton's Roberto Martinez brands Roy Keane comments 'nonsense'
ROBERTO MARTINEZ has delivered a withering riposte to Roy Keane's claims Everton put pressure on players not to appear for the Republic of Ireland and warned he risked turning the fans against their own stars.
By: Paul Joyce Published: Thu, November 20, 2014
The Everton manager went as far as dismissing Republic assistant manager Keane's biting criticism as "complete nonsense" and claimed he was working to his own agenda.
James McCarthy missed the Republic's Euro 2016 qualifying defeat to Scotland last Friday with a hamstring injury and had been absent for the previous two matches as well, including the draw with Germany.
Seamus Coleman also sat out the stalemate in Gelsenkirchen but both players appeared in Everton's win four days later against Aston Villa, for whom Keane is also assistant manager.
Keane brought the situation into the open last week, but Martinez offered a fierce rebuttal of the claims and said it was a private matter between him and Republic boss Martin O'Neill.
"James picked up a grade one hamstring problem against Sunderland," said the Everton manager. "Normally with these injuries they clear between eight and 10 days but in that period you are injured.
"I don't think it is an issue at all. If there is an issue it should be treated with respect and privately to try and get to the bottom of it.
"To come out and make things public could put some of the Irish fans thinking that the players don't want to play or that Everton have stopped some players from playing. That's nonsense. That's ridiculous.
"You just have to look at Everton and how proud we are as a football club to see our players representing us for their countries.
"Since I've been at Everton, over 140 caps have been shared between 18 players. That's a record that speaks for itself.
"It's wrong and unfair to put a doubt in the mind of the fans to think that the players could be having second thoughts about representing their country. That's maybe something that's happened in the past but I guarantee you that it's not the case in our dressing room."
Keane had been scathing of Everton and said there needed to be more consultation in the future if matters persisted.
"You always get the impression from Everton that Seamus and James are both barely able to walk," said Keane. "So when they actually turn up and they are walking through the reception, you think 'Praise the Lord, it's a miracle'."
Martinez swatted that aside and appeared to allude to Keane walking out on his country before the 2002 World Cup.
"I could easily comment on it and it would be an easy target because of his previous as a player, but my relationship is with Martin O'Neill," he said.
"I don't know the agenda that that person has behind that. Does that person do it as an ex-player? Does he do it as a fan? Does he do it in his position? Because if the two managers talk, it doesn't make much sense for him to do it.
"Our relationship with the Republic of Ireland is very good. We are in an age in football in which when injuries happen, players get a scan for everything, and it's not a subjective opinion where I think someone is carrying a problem; that's gone out of the game.
"In the cases that everyone is talking about, no one has mentioned that Seamus Coleman played against Scotland with five stitches in his foot. No one is mentioning that when everyone [in the Ireland camp] is aware of it."
What's Kevin McDonald up to these days ?Nothing I think, still lives near me and I see him at the doctors and in the supermarket.
The bibs and cones will be the next to go hardly ever used.
The bibs and cones will be the next to go hardly ever used.
The next Ireland game is in march.