Roy Keane - new assistant manager (CONFIRMED)

[LeeB]

Or he might get the best out of them, something the former two couldn't.  Most of our lot can't seem to get the basics right, I've done my bit on throw ins, there's also concentration for the full 90 odd minutes, our lack of movement when in possession, there's loads he could help sort out having come from an environment where such was not tolerated.
The chances are he will upset a few of them, well, tough.  They've been upsetting an awful lot of us for a few seasons now, something has to change and if it needs more stick than carrot so be it.

The problem is, all those things can be improved by coaching and practicing rather than just shouting and scaring the players.  Furthermore, if the rumours are to be believed, Karsa and Culverhouse have already tried the angry-shouty-man approach and it's not worked. 

Players, like Westwood, have become worse not better since they joined.  This might be because they're scared of making mistakes, fearing the bollocking they'll receive if they makes a mistake.  The whole hoof it forward thing could arguably attributed to this as the 'get rid' option is a lot easier than trying to thread a risky pass.

Most players can accept being shouted at. It has existed in football since the it started and there is a difference between shouting and bullying. Also, some players need that approach if it is channeled correctly and others need to be handled differently.

The best manager (football wise) I ever had was a horrible bastard, put he pushed me further than I thought I was capable of, and made me twice the player.

[Dante Lavelli]

Or he might get the best out of them, something the former two couldn't.  Most of our lot can't seem to get the basics right, I've done my bit on throw ins, there's also concentration for the full 90 odd minutes, our lack of movement when in possession, there's loads he could help sort out having come from an environment where such was not tolerated.
The chances are he will upset a few of them, well, tough.  They've been upsetting an awful lot of us for a few seasons now, something has to change and if it needs more stick than carrot so be it.

The problem is, all those things can be improved by coaching and practicing rather than just shouting and scaring the players.  Furthermore, if the rumours are to be believed, Karsa and Culverhouse have already tried the angry-shouty-man approach and it's not worked. 

Players, like Westwood, have become worse not better since they joined.  This might be because they're scared of making mistakes, fearing the bollocking they'll receive if they makes a mistake.  The whole hoof it forward thing could arguably attributed to this as the 'get rid' option is a lot easier than trying to thread a risky pass.

Most players can accept being shouted at. It has existed in football since the it started and there is a difference between shouting and bullying. Also, some players need that approach if it is channeled correctly and others need to be handled differently.

Agree.  But with a management partnership of Lambert and Keane it's very much bad cop / badder cop.  Somewhere in the coaching armoury - and typically in the manager/assistant dymamic - I think you also need a coach who can also encourage the more sensitive players.  Furthermore neither, on face value, seem the sort of coaches that would be fun to work with. 

To me the balance of that coaching partnership is not right unless the individuals are very different to their media personalities.

[KevinGage]

Agreed.  If we were going the 'personality' coach route, I'd sooner have Steve Harrison back.

He'd lighten the mood if nothing else.  We've tried the opposite end of the scale, and we all know what happened there.

Personally, I think our lot need extensive drills on short passing, creating space and keeping some sort of defensive shape (double shifts, if needs be).  Not some twat on the sidelines shouting obscenities at them.

[Toronto Villa]

Or he might get the best out of them, something the former two couldn't.  Most of our lot can't seem to get the basics right, I've done my bit on throw ins, there's also concentration for the full 90 odd minutes, our lack of movement when in possession, there's loads he could help sort out having come from an environment where such was not tolerated.
The chances are he will upset a few of them, well, tough.  They've been upsetting an awful lot of us for a few seasons now, something has to change and if it needs more stick than carrot so be it.

The problem is, all those things can be improved by coaching and practicing rather than just shouting and scaring the players.  Furthermore, if the rumours are to be believed, Karsa and Culverhouse have already tried the angry-shouty-man approach and it's not worked. 

Players, like Westwood, have become worse not better since they joined.  This might be because they're scared of making mistakes, fearing the bollocking they'll receive if they makes a mistake.  The whole hoof it forward thing could arguably attributed to this as the 'get rid' option is a lot easier than trying to thread a risky pass.

Most players can accept being shouted at. It has existed in football since the it started and there is a difference between shouting and bullying. Also, some players need that approach if it is channeled correctly and others need to be handled differently.

Agree.  But with a management partnership of Lambert and Keane it's very much bad cop / badder cop.  Somewhere in the coaching armoury - and typically in the manager/assistant dymamic - I think you also need a coach who can also encourage the more sensitive players.  Furthermore neither, on face value, seem the sort of coaches that would be fun to work with. 

To me the balance of that coaching partnership is not right unless the individuals are very different to their media personalities.

thing is we don't know what it will be like when they work together. I am sure they would have discussed the problems of the two blokes that just got fired

[lovejoy]

I seriously think we over rate ourselves if we think Roy Keane as coach is beneath us.

[Toronto Villa]

Agreed.  If we were going the 'personality' coach route, I'd sooner have Steve Harrison back.

He'd lighten the mood if nothing else.  We've tried the opposite end of the scale, and we all know what happened there.

Personally, I think our lot need extensive drills on short passing, creating space and keeping some sort of defensive shape (double shifts, if needs be).  Not some twat on the sidelines shouting obscenities at them.

Maybe Steve could come in and periodically get his cock out to lighten the mood

[KevinGage]

He'd improve Gabby and Bill Weimann's accuracy tenfold. 

[Brend'Watkins]

Agreed.  If we were going the 'personality' coach route, I'd sooner have Steve Harrison back.

He'd lighten the mood if nothing else.  We've tried the opposite end of the scale, and we all know what happened there.

Personally, I think our lot need extensive drills on short passing, creating space and keeping some sort of defensive shape (double shifts, if needs be).  Not some twat on the sidelines shouting obscenities at them.

That to me is the problem the mood is to light for my liking.  As has been said there is a philosophy at the club that losing is somehow no real bad thing.  It's evident in what we are watching week in week out.  Lapses in concentration, goals conceded in the last minuets of every other game, sauntering around, I could go on. 

I don't think we're that bad that a couple of signings and our injured players returning to the fold couldn't get us into the top 10.  A winning mentality drilled into the players could go a long way in achieving that. 

[Ron Manager]

Roy put the fear of God into Benteke if he thought he was looking disinterested!....and as for Darren..well!

[Brend'Watkins]

Roy put the fear of God into Benteke if he thought he was looking disinterested!....and as for Darren..well!

Darren would almost certainly get the 'stare'.

[Dante Lavelli]

Agreed.  If we were going the 'personality' coach route, I'd sooner have Steve Harrison back.

He'd lighten the mood if nothing else.  We've tried the opposite end of the scale, and we all know what happened there.

Personally, I think our lot need extensive drills on short passing, creating space and keeping some sort of defensive shape (double shifts, if needs be).  Not some twat on the sidelines shouting obscenities at them.

That to me is the problem the mood is to light for my liking.  As has been said there is a philosophy at the club that losing is somehow no real bad thing.  It's evident in what we are watching week in week out.  Lapses in concentration, goals conceded in the last minuets of every other game, sauntering around, I could go on. 

I don't think we're that bad that a couple of signings and our injured players returning to the fold couldn't get us into the top 10.  A winning mentality drilled into the players could go a long way in achieving that. 

On what basis have you come to that assumption though?  It seems unlikely that there has been a lack of aggression from the coaches when 2 have effectively been sacked for bullying (if true).  I agree that we have a soft under belly at the moment but I am not convinced that the only way to generate that cohesion / determination / concentration is through fear. 

For example a fear of failure and the strictness of the regime could also cause players to 'hide' rather than put themselves (their reputations) on the line to stop conceding the last minute goals you've referred to, or having the confidence to try something different/harder i.e. to express themselves.

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Is Keane a bully?

There is a difference in my view between being somebody you wouldn't cross and somebody who is a bully.

The whole Vierra tunnel incident leads me to believe that Keane is no bully and has no time for it.

[pauliewalnuts]

The whole Vierra tunnel incident leads me to believe that Keane is no bully and has no time for it.

What about the stuff after he left Man United - Ferguson talking about his being a bully, or when he left Sunderland, the quotes about the atmosphere in training under him there?

Or his stamping on Gareth Southgate? Or Alf Inge Haaland?

[WarszaVillan]

We've lost 2 coaches, so surely there will be 2 coming in. Keane is your typical assistant manager, the number two that gets amongst the players - John Robertson type. We'd still need a top coach in if he came.

[Jon Crofts]

We've lost 2 coaches, so surely there will be 2 coming in. Keane is your typical assistant manager, the number two that gets amongst the players - John Robertson type. We'd still need a top coach in if he came.

We don't do top notch, we do Poundland.