Albrighton Going to Leicester

[dave.woodhall]

That was a cheap shot Chris comparing me and other older fans with comedy Monty Python characters.  I and other long standing supporters have earned the right to make demands upon the club.   I have no problem with other fans wanting to present Lambert in a favourable light.   What I do have a very big problem with is the conviction that I have that the acceptance of Lambert has come about from the insidious peddling of the heresy that the diminution of the fans expectations is a positive and praiseworthy accomplishment.   It is neither, it is negative and shameful.   As I have said several times of late, in the troughs of relegation and despair we experienced in the past we always believed we would rise again and the club encouraged us to believe it.   We did rise again.   This time we are not encouraged to believe we will rise again we are told that we must hope for us not to be quite as bad as we were.   That way the club does not have to spend very much, a manager who does not deliver anything much can be considered competent and the fans once brainwashed pay to come to the games regardless of the results.   It is what a bookmaker would call a round book.   Win, win, win.
We have had to swallow some bitter pills over the years but none as big and as bitter as this present one they are trying to force through our clenched teeth that Villa is a mediocre club with mediocre expectations.   I shall not stop going to games at Christmas if Lambert is still there because of Lambert, I have seen plenty of crap managers of Aston Villa, I shall stop going because it will mean that the lies about what we are and what we can dream of are still being peddled as truth.

You tell 'em, Brian. The club have desperately tried to lower our expectations these last few years and so many fans have fallen for it.
I can't stand the "oh it ain't that bad" brigade who pounce on posters like you for telling it the way it is. The club is in a mess from top to bottom and it's all self inflicted by the man at the top, but don't dare to criticise because you'll get the usual apologists who'll jump to the club's defence no matter what state the club is in and shout out that clichéd buzzword "hyperbole" in an attempt to discredit you.
Keep on posting, Brian.

You can't stand anyone who disagrees with you. You said it.

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If message boards had been around in 1959 or the early 70's or 86/7, then people would have rightly being going ape about how pap we are and how we have sunk to lower depths; quite literally. Just because people point out that we are rightly nowhere near as bad as we have been on those occasions doesn't mean there is an acceptance that being in the lower half is acceptable or where anybody wants to be.

I am optimistic that we will rise again because the owner has recognised that he can no longer get us there. It's deeply unfortunate that all he has spent eventually amounted to nothing and we can all think that with one or two different outcomes we may have made the cash cow of Champions League football or won a trophy, but there we go.

The fact we are up for sale for anything from a fifth to a quarter of a billion suggests that whoever buys us, will have a penny or two to their name. Liverpool and how well they have done with good but not ridiculous spending and the right football philosophy shows that success in MLB ownership can be transferred to English football. The same could have happened here under Lerner's stewardship, but I am hopeful that the next rich bloke who takes over will invest at a reasonable level to give us a chance to at least hit par for the course again.

[aj2k77]

Dave come on, even you have to admit that right now there is almost nothing to enjoy about watching the Villa football wise (thank god the season is finished). It might change by the start of the season but I wouldn't be surprised if any takeover takes longer than expected because top of anyone's priorities right now we are not and more drifting along wouldn't be unimaginable.

The question is, if there is no takeover will Lerner put any transfer funds forward? If not we are in serious jeopardy of going down next year. No doubt.

Hutton, Bent and Given coming back in to the fold suggest there will be very little money. There's your new signings. No other reason for the about turn is there.

[dave.woodhall]

Dave come on, even you have to admit that right now there is almost nothing to enjoy about watching the Villa football wise (thank god the season is finished). It might change by the start of the season but I wouldn't be surprised if any takeover takes longer than expected because top of anyone's priorities right now we are not and more drifting along wouldn't be unimaginable.

The question is, if there is no takeover will Lerner put any transfer funds forward? If not we are in serious jeopardy of going down next year. No doubt.

Hutton, Bent and Given coming back in to the fold suggest there will be very little money. There's your new signings. No other reason for the about turn is there.

I think things are pretty unappealing at the moment, drifting even. But that's not the point - when someone says he "can't stand" anyone who doesn't agree with his permanently pessimistic views and continues to attack them then he shouldn't be surprised to be challenged.

[Clampy]

Things are not great and whilst i'm not old enough to remember the days of dropping through the divisions, that must have been horrendous compared to now.

I can't say i'm pleased about the possibility of Lambert still being here in August but at least Randy has admitted that he's had enough and is willing to hand over to someone else. The sooner the better obviously but we're still a Premiership club and like I said, it could be a lot lot worse.

[aj2k77]

Dave come on, even you have to admit that right now there is almost nothing to enjoy about watching the Villa football wise (thank god the season is finished). It might change by the start of the season but I wouldn't be surprised if any takeover takes longer than expected because top of anyone's priorities right now we are not and more drifting along wouldn't be unimaginable.

The question is, if there is no takeover will Lerner put any transfer funds forward? If not we are in serious jeopardy of going down next year. No doubt.

Hutton, Bent and Given coming back in to the fold suggest there will be very little money. There's your new signings. No other reason for the about turn is there.

I think things are pretty unappealing at the moment, drifting even. But that's not the point - when someone says he "can't stand" anyone who doesn't agree with his permanently pessimistic views and continues to attack them then he shouldn't be surprised to be challenged.

Fair enough.

We need an injection of hope, money and some va-va vooom into the club. Everyone at the top from Lerner and Faulkner to Lambert have got their minds on their own next ''project'' and not on us and that is not a healthy position for any club to be in.

I Still wonder why Lambert is there. Has he been promised a bonus? Is it loyalty to Lerner? Does he actually care for Villa? It's gotta be the money hasn't it?

[Clampy]

Dave come on, even you have to admit that right now there is almost nothing to enjoy about watching the Villa football wise (thank god the season is finished). It might change by the start of the season but I wouldn't be surprised if any takeover takes longer than expected because top of anyone's priorities right now we are not and more drifting along wouldn't be unimaginable.

The question is, if there is no takeover will Lerner put any transfer funds forward? If not we are in serious jeopardy of going down next year. No doubt.

Hutton, Bent and Given coming back in to the fold suggest there will be very little money. There's your new signings. No other reason for the about turn is there.

I think things are pretty unappealing at the moment, drifting even. But that's not the point - when someone says he "can't stand" anyone who doesn't agree with his permanently pessimistic views and continues to attack them then he shouldn't be surprised to be challenged.

I Still wonder why Lambert is there. Has he been promised a bonus? Is it loyalty to Lerner? Does he actually care for Villa? It's gotta be the money hasn't it?

He's only there until the new owners come in. Would a new manager come in knowing that he might be out on his arse in a month's time if we're taken over?

[aj2k77]

Dave come on, even you have to admit that right now there is almost nothing to enjoy about watching the Villa football wise (thank god the season is finished). It might change by the start of the season but I wouldn't be surprised if any takeover takes longer than expected because top of anyone's priorities right now we are not and more drifting along wouldn't be unimaginable.

The question is, if there is no takeover will Lerner put any transfer funds forward? If not we are in serious jeopardy of going down next year. No doubt.

Hutton, Bent and Given coming back in to the fold suggest there will be very little money. There's your new signings. No other reason for the about turn is there.

I think things are pretty unappealing at the moment, drifting even. But that's not the point - when someone says he "can't stand" anyone who doesn't agree with his permanently pessimistic views and continues to attack them then he shouldn't be surprised to be challenged.

I Still wonder why Lambert is there. Has he been promised a bonus? Is it loyalty to Lerner? Does he actually care for Villa? It's gotta be the money hasn't it?

He's only there until the new owners come in. Would a new manager come in knowing that he might be out on his arse in a month's time if we're taken over?

And if a new owner doesn't come along? New contract? God forbid.

[dave.woodhall]

Lambert's still there because he won't get a better job or a payoff if he walks out.

[Clampy]

Dave come on, even you have to admit that right now there is almost nothing to enjoy about watching the Villa football wise (thank god the season is finished). It might change by the start of the season but I wouldn't be surprised if any takeover takes longer than expected because top of anyone's priorities right now we are not and more drifting along wouldn't be unimaginable.

The question is, if there is no takeover will Lerner put any transfer funds forward? If not we are in serious jeopardy of going down next year. No doubt.

Hutton, Bent and Given coming back in to the fold suggest there will be very little money. There's your new signings. No other reason for the about turn is there.

I think things are pretty unappealing at the moment, drifting even. But that's not the point - when someone says he "can't stand" anyone who doesn't agree with his permanently pessimistic views and continues to attack them then he shouldn't be surprised to be challenged.

I Still wonder why Lambert is there. Has he been promised a bonus? Is it loyalty to Lerner? Does he actually care for Villa? It's gotta be the money hasn't it?

He's only there until the new owners come in. Would a new manager come in knowing that he might be out on his arse in a month's time if we're taken over?

And if a new owner doesn't come along? New contract? God forbid.

Well he's only got a year left anyway I think and hopefully we'll be sold up by then.

[PeterWithesShin]

As wank as things are at present, there is no way they are worse than when we spent 8 years outside the top flight, and a total of 14 years without finishing higher than 15th.

[ez]

It does seem ridiculous that Lambert is still the manager but it's down to the unusual circumstance we are in at the moment. My main concern is the current form. Over the last quarter of the season we were absolutely appalling. Just because there is a gap of a couple of months until the next game doesn't mean we'll be miraculously transformed.

[saunders_heroes]

That was a cheap shot Chris comparing me and other older fans with comedy Monty Python characters.  I and other long standing supporters have earned the right to make demands upon the club.   I have no problem with other fans wanting to present Lambert in a favourable light.   What I do have a very big problem with is the conviction that I have that the acceptance of Lambert has come about from the insidious peddling of the heresy that the diminution of the fans expectations is a positive and praiseworthy accomplishment.   It is neither, it is negative and shameful.   As I have said several times of late, in the troughs of relegation and despair we experienced in the past we always believed we would rise again and the club encouraged us to believe it.   We did rise again.   This time we are not encouraged to believe we will rise again we are told that we must hope for us not to be quite as bad as we were.   That way the club does not have to spend very much, a manager who does not deliver anything much can be considered competent and the fans once brainwashed pay to come to the games regardless of the results.   It is what a bookmaker would call a round book.   Win, win, win.
We have had to swallow some bitter pills over the years but none as big and as bitter as this present one they are trying to force through our clenched teeth that Villa is a mediocre club with mediocre expectations.   I shall not stop going to games at Christmas if Lambert is still there because of Lambert, I have seen plenty of crap managers of Aston Villa, I shall stop going because it will mean that the lies about what we are and what we can dream of are still being peddled as truth.

You tell 'em, Brian. The club have desperately tried to lower our expectations these last few years and so many fans have fallen for it.
I can't stand the "oh it ain't that bad" brigade who pounce on posters like you for telling it the way it is. The club is in a mess from top to bottom and it's all self inflicted by the man at the top, but don't dare to criticise because you'll get the usual apologists who'll jump to the club's defence no matter what state the club is in and shout out that clichéd buzzword "hyperbole" in an attempt to discredit you.
Keep on posting, Brian.

You can't stand anyone who disagrees with you. You said it.

Neither can you, Dave. In fact you hate it.

[saunders_heroes]

As wank as things are at present, there is no way they are worse than when we spent 8 years outside the top flight, and a total of 14 years without finishing higher than 15th.

Fair enough, but you know you're struggling when you have to look to the worst period in the club's history to find a more unappealing time than what we're witnessing now.

[dave.woodhall]

That was a cheap shot Chris comparing me and other older fans with comedy Monty Python characters.  I and other long standing supporters have earned the right to make demands upon the club.   I have no problem with other fans wanting to present Lambert in a favourable light.   What I do have a very big problem with is the conviction that I have that the acceptance of Lambert has come about from the insidious peddling of the heresy that the diminution of the fans expectations is a positive and praiseworthy accomplishment.   It is neither, it is negative and shameful.   As I have said several times of late, in the troughs of relegation and despair we experienced in the past we always believed we would rise again and the club encouraged us to believe it.   We did rise again.   This time we are not encouraged to believe we will rise again we are told that we must hope for us not to be quite as bad as we were.   That way the club does not have to spend very much, a manager who does not deliver anything much can be considered competent and the fans once brainwashed pay to come to the games regardless of the results.   It is what a bookmaker would call a round book.   Win, win, win.
We have had to swallow some bitter pills over the years but none as big and as bitter as this present one they are trying to force through our clenched teeth that Villa is a mediocre club with mediocre expectations.   I shall not stop going to games at Christmas if Lambert is still there because of Lambert, I have seen plenty of crap managers of Aston Villa, I shall stop going because it will mean that the lies about what we are and what we can dream of are still being peddled as truth.

You tell 'em, Brian. The club have desperately tried to lower our expectations these last few years and so many fans have fallen for it.
I can't stand the "oh it ain't that bad" brigade who pounce on posters like you for telling it the way it is. The club is in a mess from top to bottom and it's all self inflicted by the man at the top, but don't dare to criticise because you'll get the usual apologists who'll jump to the club's defence no matter what state the club is in and shout out that clichéd buzzword "hyperbole" in an attempt to discredit you.
Keep on posting, Brian.

You can't stand anyone who disagrees with you. You said it.

Neither can you, Dave. In fact you hate it.

If that's the case, how about you going through every post I've made, in fact every word I've written, anywhere, at any time, and finding some evidence?