Culverhouse and Karsa suspended (Now both sacked: Reply #876)

[bertlambshank]

How as Lambert got away with this?
Very strange.

[Clampy]

How as Lambert got away with this?
Very strange.

In fairness, we don't know exactly what went on.

[lovejoy]

If Steve Kirk is correct then there is nothing Lambert has done wrong in this instance, surely?

[Richard E]

The sackings are breaking news on the Sky Sports yellow bar now.

Good to see Sky sources have their finger on the pulse.

[Richard E]

Compromise Agreements have been replaced by Settlement Agreements -  http://careers.theguardian.com/settlement-agreements-employees-need-to-know

I don't think there's anything particularly unusual about any organisation using them; sometimes you have to weigh up the angst of dismissing someone, a possible ET etc against the convenience of getting rid of someone quickly in a relatively pain free.

If it's misconduct why the need for any settlement baring in mind they've only been with the club less than 2 years?  I know football works differently but if they've behaved in a way that got them suspended and after inquest resulted in sacking why would the club need to compromise with I assume some sort of pay off?

If they're on fixed term contracts they could still have hefty breach of contract claims for the balance of their notice if a Court didn't think gross misconduct was proved, so there would be some benefit to the club in buying off that potential risk. It also potentially assists in terms of upholding confidentiality and any restrictive covenants.

I remember a movie about restrictive covenants where the nuns went on a carnal rampage and were visited by  the inquisition who burned half of them and buried the other half in the walls of the covenant itself.  It was ghastly and quite put me off the idea of the monastic life.

Be that as it may, the upshot of all this is that we the fans will be left moldering inn the dank darkness with not a glimmer of the luminous light of the truth.

I may be mistaken, but I have a vague suspicion we may be ever so slightly at cross purposes here!

[Steve kirk]

 The incident happened in the lead up to the Fulham game and if you remember Gabby and Delph were not even in the squad for the Fulham game, initially they were punished but eventually the real instigators were suspended, I will ask my friend if he can give me the name of the guy who knows Gordon Cowans, its just what ive been told so thought I would pass it on to H@V

[LeeB]

The incident happened in the lead up to the Fulham game and if you remember Gabby and Delph were not even in the squad for the Fulham game, initially they were punished but eventually the real instigators were suspended, I will ask my friend if he can give me the name of the guy who knows Gordon Cowans, its just what ive been told so thought I would pass it on to H@V

I heard something completely different, supposedly coming from someone close to Cowans, which means either your source or mine is talking out of their arse.

To be fair, it's probably both.

[aj2k77]

I heard they were a pair of nobodies who shouldn't have been at the Villa anyway and should stick to pumpkin farming in the realm of nothingness that is Norwich.

[adrenachrome]

Compromise Agreements have been replaced by Settlement Agreements -  http://careers.theguardian.com/settlement-agreements-employees-need-to-know

I don't think there's anything particularly unusual about any organisation using them; sometimes you have to weigh up the angst of dismissing someone, a possible ET etc against the convenience of getting rid of someone quickly in a relatively pain free.

If it's misconduct why the need for any settlement baring in mind they've only been with the club less than 2 years?  I know football works differently but if they've behaved in a way that got them suspended and after inquest resulted in sacking why would the club need to compromise with I assume some sort of pay off?

If they're on fixed term contracts they could still have hefty breach of contract claims for the balance of their notice if a Court didn't think gross misconduct was proved, so there would be some benefit to the club in buying off that potential risk. It also potentially assists in terms of upholding confidentiality and any restrictive covenants.

I remember a movie about restrictive covenants where the nuns went on a carnal rampage and were visited by  the inquisition who burned half of them and buried the other half in the walls of the covenant itself.  It was ghastly and quite put me off the idea of the monastic life.

Be that as it may, the upshot of all this is that we the fans will be left moldering inn the dank darkness with not a glimmer of the luminous light of the truth.

I may be mistaken, but I have a vague suspicion we may be ever so slightly at cross purposes here!

Get away with you, now, you're pulling my leg.

Next you'll be telling me that Catholic priests don't live in a Refectory and Convents are the holes that prisoners tear in the crotch of their uniforms to aerate their folly culls.

 

[Ron Manager]

The incident happened in the lead up to the Fulham game and if you remember Gabby and Delph were not even in the squad for the Fulham game, initially they were punished but eventually the real instigators were suspended, I will ask my friend if he can give me the name of the guy who knows Gordon Cowans, its just what ive been told so thought I would pass it on to H@V

I wonder if Agbonlahor and Delph contacted the Players Union. If the facts are correct then that is the first thing they should have done.

[olaftab]

If true I guess he didn't make the tackle to cause him harm and therefore injury is not his fault. However if as a senior member of the management team he didn't control and calm the situation and instead got into a ruckus with the players and than subsequently did not tell the truth it becomes a matter of trust and that made his position untenable.

[olaftab]

The sackings are breaking news on the Sky Sports yellow bar now.

Good to see Sky sources have their finger on the pulse.

Slow day surely!

[Matt Collins]

I dont claim for one minute to be in the know but a mate of mine at work knows an ex football man who knows Gordon Cowans who gave him this info, Gordon said Culverhouse made the tackle in training that caused Benteke's long term injury, Gordon then had a go at Culverhouse about it who got very aggressive, Gabby and Fabian got involved against Culverhouse which led to Karsa diving in, this led to a full on fight which eventually led to the club suspensions.

I thought Ciaran Clark caused the injury? And that the delph and gabby thing was some weeks later? Sounds like buuuuuuuullllshit to me sorry!

[Richard E]

Clark clattered Kozak rather than Benteke I think.

[dave shelley]

I thought it was reported, on here I think, that the injury to Benteke was just one of those unfortunate injuries that happened when no one was anywhere near him.  It may also be that; that is the official line being put out by the club.  Cover up and all that.