From Bomb squad to first team coach ..only at AVFC
From Bomb squad to first team coach ..only at AVFCHa ha. Absolutely crazy.
Saturday is now massive......
Saying that the bomb squad now have a coaching staff!
This is very very odd, they are Lambert's two most trusted side kicks. Also promoting Given to a coach is very very strange.Given wants to move into coaching when he retires and I believe he's taken his badges. To step in for the last 5 games, we could do worse I guess.
The club have also confirmed it as well. Bloody hell, what a mess.
Have to say as well, this wouldn't have been something Shay would have been contractually obligated to do. He's a good pro and fair play to him for stepping up when asked.
Other members of our bomb squad, had they been put in that position (coach Hutton...could you imagine it???) might have stuck two fingers up at the club.
Have to say as well, this wouldn't have been something Shay would have been contractually obligated to do. He's a good pro and fair play to him for stepping up when asked.
Other members of our bomb squad, had they been put in that position (coach Hutton...could you imagine it???) might have stuck two fingers up at the club.
It's difficult to see how his position remains tenable at this point.
Interesting that Lambert asked Sid to step up, and presumably Shay too. Something serious must have happened, beyond looking at Facebook during work hours.
The club have also confirmed it as well. Bloody hell, what a mess.
I reckon they are trying to force Lambert's hand into resigning. Lambert's done at Villa.
Interesting that Lambert asked Sid to step up, and presumably Shay too. Something serious must have happened, beyond looking at Facebook during work hours.
Interesting that Lambert asked Sid to step up, and presumably Shay too. Something serious must have happened, beyond looking at Facebook during work hours.
Do we know that it was Lambert's wishes that they step up or was it a board decision? I don't anything about Karsa apart from I believe he is Lambert's brother in law but from things I have heard I have believed for a while that Culverhouse was a negative presence and as an assistant seemed to be causing Lambert more problems than he solved. I think Sid being involved on Saturday will bring some goodwill and a bit more a a feelgood factor to the occasion.
Interesting that Lambert asked Sid to step up, and presumably Shay too. Something serious must have happened, beyond looking at Facebook during work hours.
Interesting that Lambert asked Sid to step up, and presumably Shay too. Something serious must have happened, beyond looking at Facebook during work hours.
so weird , hes tried to force Given out and now hes his rght hand man with sid sort of
expect Darren Bent back selling programmes
and Hutton sorting the catering out
Yeah, it'll be good experience for him. He's still got two years left for us I believe, so it may be worth keeping him on as a player coach. He'd be an excellent back up for Brad and the coaching side would keep him pretty occupied. You'd assume he'd deal primarily with the keepers, and there's a hell of a lot he can teach Steer, Watkins etc.Have to say as well, this wouldn't have been something Shay would have been contractually obligated to do. He's a good pro and fair play to him for stepping up when asked.
Other members of our bomb squad, had they been put in that position (coach Hutton...could you imagine it???) might have stuck two fingers up at the club.
Others have said that he's done his badges so he'd have to be absolutely daft not to take the role on. Good luck to him.
The club have also confirmed it as well. Bloody hell, what a mess.
I reckon they are trying to force Lambert's hand into resigning. Lambert's done at Villa.
I think the board were left with no alternative due to the seriousness of the incident(s) and after initial statements from those involved, they were left with no choice but to suspend both and prepare a full internal investigation.
We love to do things by the book. Lambert has no alternative other than to accept Sid and Shay. He'll probably sit back and see how this unfolds. I can't see him walking. No chance.
Interesting that Lambert asked Sid to step up, and presumably Shay too. Something serious must have happened, beyond looking at Facebook during work hours.
so weird , he's tried to force Given out and now hes his rght hand man with sid sort of
expect Darren Bent back selling programmes
and Hutton sorting the catering out
An internal investigation. Presumably into their CV's and references they supplied when applying for the job stating that they were experienced, professional football coaches.
Other members of our bomb squad, had they been put in that position (coach Hutton...could you imagine it???) might have stuck two fingers up at the club.
An internal investigation. Presumably into their CV's and references they supplied when applying for the job stating that they were experienced, professional football coaches.
What a coup for TBAR. Eastie must be gushing like a fountain.
Aren't Lambert and Gary Karsa related in some way?
This is either going to be brilliant or catastrophic. I'm not sure there's a middle course.
fcuk me
this is madness , but looks like the e nd of Lambert etc too , so im happy about that
Id never believe Sid and Given will be promoted to firsst team coach's this morning.
The day after Faulkner says were all in this together, apparently he has been to Bodymoor Heath today.
What an interested few weeks are going to have
Coach Bent: Stand still for 90 minutes. Poke leg at ball any time it comes near you at the six yard line. If it goes in you've had a good game.Other members of our bomb squad, had they been put in that position (coach Hutton...could you imagine it???) might have stuck two fingers up at the club.
[Coach Hutton] - "Make the opposition scared of you by lunging in 2-footed, then the rest of the game should be easy for you".
So yesterdays 'let's all stick together' message should be ignored by Culverhouse & Karsa.
Lambert and Culverhouse have been together since their Colchester days so unless they've both done something which he can't defend, I can't see him sticking round for too long.In an ideal world Culverhouse gets sacked and in protest Lambert resigns and then we don't have to pay him off.
Shay's first job will be to drop Guzan and put himself in !He'll have Guzan and Steer polishing his boots.
Interesting that Lambert asked Sid to step up, and presumably Shay too. Something serious must have happened, beyond looking at Facebook during work hours.
so weird , hes tried to force Given out and now hes his rght hand man with sid sort of
expect Darren Bent back selling programmes
and Hutton sorting the catering out
Shay's first job will be to drop Guzan and put himself in !
MON Walked and still we had to pay him, Football is mad.It's difficult to see how his position remains tenable at this point.
which is why I think he will walk, he will get his full compo
Get Martin Laursen in , we need someone with experience with defending.Seconded.
Get Martin Laursen in , we need someone with experience with defending.
fcuk me
this is madness , but looks like the e nd of Lambert etc too , so im happy about that
Id never believe Sid and Given will be promoted to firsst team coach's this morning.
The day after Faulkner says were all in this together, apparently he has been to Bodymoor Heath today.
What an interested few weeks are going to have
Aren't Lambert and Gary Karsa related in some way?
Brother in Law
So are we to assume Lambert went into the Fulham game without Gabby and Delph by choice ..FFS.Talk about shooting yourself in the foot..
Noticed Luna tweeted nice day in Birmingham soon after the news came out , could be nothing but had herd he took alot of abuse from the side lines from Culverhouse.
What a coup for TBAR. Eastie must be gushing like a fountain.
They are on Twitter 24-7. Hardly a coup. Not like they broke the news on Twitter.
Hopefully Sid will inform him of the walking accident Baker and so drop him.
Interesting comments from Pat Murphy, claims now we know what Lambert was referring to about behind the scenes at the weekend. He also thinks that together, Lambert and Lerner are behind the suspensions with Lambert cutting loose his two assistants.
Interesting comments from Pat Murphy, claims now we know what Lambert was referring to about behind the scenes at the weekend. He also thinks that together, Lambert and Lerner are behind the suspensions with Lambert cutting loose his two assistants.
Something has turned with Gabby in the last couple of months too. Obviously his erratic form is one thing we're all used to. But the effort hasn't quite been there either in recent games. Whether that's because he's been growing frustrated with the coaching, who knows? He looks a frustrated player at the moment.Aren't Lambert and Gary Karsa related in some way?
Brother in Law
So are we to assume Lambert went into the Fulham game without Gabby and Delph by choice ..FFS.Talk about shooting yourself in the foot..
Noticed Luna tweeted nice day in Birmingham soon after the news came out , could be nothing but had herd he took alot of abuse from the side lines from Culverhouse.
Well if he did that he is a fucking idiot. He may not have like dissent but close enough to the end of the season to deal with it then.
Lambert's gone.
I suspect that based on 4 years of failures the board may try a proper DoF / coach combo come next month.
Interesting comments from Pat Murphy, claims now we know what Lambert was referring to about behind the scenes at the weekend. He also thinks that together, Lambert and Lerner are behind the suspensions with Lambert cutting loose his two assistants.
Lambert needs to speak, and fast.
If his problem behind the scenes has been his coaches and he has been pro active and approves of them being suspended then say so publicly. (Right now, I doubt it is the case)
Anything other than a clear and unequivocal statement to that effect from the manager then we have to assume he is gone too. (Which I think right now most of us belive is the case)
Interesting comments from Pat Murphy, claims now we know what Lambert was referring to about behind the scenes at the weekend. He also thinks that together, Lambert and Lerner are behind the suspensions with Lambert cutting loose his two assistants.
Lambert needs to speak, and fast.
If his problem behind the scenes has been his coaches and he has been pro active and approves of them being suspended then say so publicly. (Right now, I doubt it is the case)
Anything other than a clear and unequivocal statement to that effect from the manager then we have to assume he is gone too. (Which I think right now most of us belive is the case)
He might not be able to say much though. Culverhouse and Karsa are "suspended pending investigation".
Interesting comments from Pat Murphy, claims now we know what Lambert was referring to about behind the scenes at the weekend. He also thinks that together, Lambert and Lerner are behind the suspensions with Lambert cutting loose his two assistants.
They were shitting in his desk drawer!
Interesting comments from Pat Murphy, claims now we know what Lambert was referring to about behind the scenes at the weekend. He also thinks that together, Lambert and Lerner are behind the suspensions with Lambert cutting loose his two assistants.
They were shitting in his desk drawer!
Nah, that was me.
Interesting comments from Pat Murphy, claims now we know what Lambert was referring to about behind the scenes at the weekend. He also thinks that together, Lambert and Lerner are behind the suspensions with Lambert cutting loose his two assistants.
that could be true, Lambert needed to do something otherwise he was gone(it still may happen) it will be very interesting come Saturday and maybe even Randolph might show his boat race.....
UTV
Interesting comments from Pat Murphy, claims now we know what Lambert was referring to about behind the scenes at the weekend. He also thinks that together, Lambert and Lerner are behind the suspensions with Lambert cutting loose his two assistants.
that could be true, Lambert needed to do something otherwise he was gone(it still may happen) it will be very interesting come Saturday and maybe even Randolph might show his boat race.....
UTV
I think Saturday would a good day for Randy to make an appearance for once
They had both been with him since Colchester too he must be feeling the heat now.Lambert needs to speak, and fast.
If his problem behind the scenes has been his coaches and he has been pro active and approves of them being suspended then say so publicly. (Right now, I doubt it is the case)
Anything other than a clear and unequivocal statement to that effect from the manager then we have to assume he is gone too. (Which I think right now most of us belive is the case)
He might not be able to say much though. Culverhouse and Karsa are "suspended pending investigation".
Sod the protocol. He doesn't have to give details. Just assert complete authority by saying he fully backs the club 100% in the actions taken.
Interesting comments from Pat Murphy, claims now we know what Lambert was referring to about behind the scenes at the weekend. He also thinks that together, Lambert and Lerner are behind the suspensions with Lambert cutting loose his two assistants.
They were shitting in his desk drawer!
Nah, that was me.
hope you did it in Randy's helmet too
This is a professional football club right?
Interesting comments from Pat Murphy, claims now we know what Lambert was referring to about behind the scenes at the weekend. He also thinks that together, Lambert and Lerner are behind the suspensions with Lambert cutting loose his two assistants.
that could be true, Lambert needed to do something otherwise he was gone(it still may happen) it will be very interesting come Saturday and maybe even Randolph might show his boat race.....
UTV
I think Saturday would a good day for Randy to make an appearance for once
I'd be very surprised if he's not there.
I think Saturday would be a good opportunity for the team to turn up too. If they've won the civil war let's hope they van channel the passion on the pitch.
Well, well, well! I've been making that groan-inducing comment "why didn't Culverhouse take the penalty?" for months now.
Heard this while I was driving back home and according to R5 the suspensions were agreed by Lerner and Lambert, so I don't necessarily see this as the beginning of the end for Lambert. If anything, having Sid on the team could bring the squad more together and we may see more fight in the remaining games. Perversely it could save Lambert's job
Interesting comments from Pat Murphy, claims now we know what Lambert was referring to about behind the scenes at the weekend. He also thinks that together, Lambert and Lerner are behind the suspensions with Lambert cutting loose his two assistants.
Heard that as well.
Interesting comments from Pat Murphy, claims now we know what Lambert was referring to about behind the scenes at the weekend. He also thinks that together, Lambert and Lerner are behind the suspensions with Lambert cutting loose his two assistants.
Heard that as well.
Hopefully Sid will inform him of the walking accident Baker and so drop him.
Baker is shit. So is Clark.
Do we have an alternative?
Does that make him the best paid Coach in the Country?From Bomb squad to first team coach ..only at AVFC
To be fair, I think Given ruffled the least feathers - he was just too old and on too much money.
It will do Paul Lambert good as he will have to work different coach and maybe he will be good manager now as he got the coaching staff to do what the players want and make them perform while other two might lost out faith. We need something changes to get result. We can't keep plodding along and hope for the best.
Kid Donacien? Might as well....Hopefully Sid will inform him of the walking accident Baker and so drop him.
Baker is shit. So is Clark.
Do we have an alternative?
Cowans could deliver a corner too...
On another point, has any other coach Villa been suspended over the years... it really is a weird one.
Interesting comments from Pat Murphy, claims now we know what Lambert was referring to about behind the scenes at the weekend. He also thinks that together, Lambert and Lerner are behind the suspensions with Lambert cutting loose his two assistants.
They were shitting in his desk drawer!
Nah, that was me.
hope you did it in Randy's helmet too
http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~3768488,00.htmlWell we don't expect it to say if there was a kerfuffle with Delph and Gabby last week and Albrighton this weekend gone do we?
Club statement sheds little light on the state of affairs!
A new manager has been approached and is....rather exciting!
What's this news about Klop being lined up for next season
Please tell me this is true
What's this news about Klop being lined up for next season
Please tell me this is true
http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~3768488,00.htmlWell we don't expect it to say if there was a kerfuffle with Delph and Gabby last week and Albrighton this weekend gone do we?
Club statement sheds little light on the state of affairs!
well suppose for a minute as Manager Lambert took the painful action and is doing his job. After all that is his right and not Faulkner's to take any action against anyone below Lambert. Next question is is Faulkner going to take any action against Lambert?It's difficult to see how his position remains tenable at this point.
which is why I think he will walk, he will get his full compo
What's this news about Klop being lined up for next season
Please tell me this is true
What's TBAR?
What's TBAR?
What's TBAR?
Admin on TBAR who appears to think he broke the news has also stated:
Re: Culverhouse sacked
Post by Admin Today at 2:55 am
New update:
If the club stays up, the takeover goes ahead.
If the takeover goes ahead, we get a new manager.
A new manager has been approached and is....rather exciting!
Weirdly having previously been dreading the game on saturday I'm actually looking forward to it. I'm living in the hope that a change of sorts will see a change of approach and we might get a pleasant surprise.
This -along with the return of H&V's very own poet laureate Glenn Peen- is great news.
If they were having a detrimental effect on the players it could make a huge difference.Weirdly having previously been dreading the game on saturday I'm actually looking forward to it. I'm living in the hope that a change of sorts will see a change of approach and we might get a pleasant surprise.
I don't think that changing the bibs and cones men will make much difference.
If the coaching was organised by Culverhouse then it could make a massive difference.
Weirdly having previously been dreading the game on saturday I'm actually looking forward to it. I'm living in the hope that a change of sorts will see a change of approach and we might get a pleasant surprise.
I don't think that changing the bibs and cones men will make much difference.
Admin on TBAR who appears to think he broke the news has also stated:Why are the people who are about to sell the club approaching new managers who are only going to be employed if they are no longer there?
Re: Culverhouse sacked
Post by Admin Today at 2:55 am
New update:
If the club stays up, the takeover goes ahead.
If the takeover goes ahead, we get a new manager.
A new manager has been approached and is....rather exciting!
If the coaching was organised by Culverhouse then it could make a massive difference.
Culverhouse has been blasted on here for the way he speaks to fans behind the dugout.
Could a complaint have been made to police and the club have taken action?
Straws.clutching. at
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The Bellends Are Repulsive. It's a new fan forum, totally independent of the malign influence of people who disagree with them.
I'm wondering if they've been speaking to Norwich in regard to the vacant manager's seat?Ahaaha...Billy you could be on a good lead here.
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If they were having a detrimental effect on the players it could make a huge difference.Weirdly having previously been dreading the game on saturday I'm actually looking forward to it. I'm living in the hope that a change of sorts will see a change of approach and we might get a pleasant surprise.
I don't think that changing the bibs and cones men will make much difference.
This is a professional football club right?
What's TBAR?
New owners slogan will be "Crap last four years. Bright future."
If they were having a detrimental effect on the players it could make a huge difference.Weirdly having previously been dreading the game on saturday I'm actually looking forward to it. I'm living in the hope that a change of sorts will see a change of approach and we might get a pleasant surprise.
I don't think that changing the bibs and cones men will make much difference.
If they were having a detrimental effect it is Lambert who should go too.
I suspect this is disciplinary.
If they were having a detrimental effect on the players it could make a huge difference.Weirdly having previously been dreading the game on saturday I'm actually looking forward to it. I'm living in the hope that a change of sorts will see a change of approach and we might get a pleasant surprise.
I don't think that changing the bibs and cones men will make much difference.
If they were having a detrimental effect it is Lambert who should go too.
I suspect this is disciplinary.
It will definitely be a disciplinary issue, but it could still help the teams performance.
Rumours are that it was Lambert who wanted them gone and ordered them off the training ground. Or more likely told them to "get ta' fuck".
Rumours are that it was Lambert who wanted them gone and ordered them off the training ground. Or more likely told them to "get ta' fuck".
Rumours are that it was Lambert who wanted them gone and ordered them off the training ground. Or more likely told them to "get ta' fuck".
There are of course also rumours that Lerner has gone over Lambert's head. I think the supplementary rumours are people of either side passing off wishful thinking as gossip.
Rumours are that it was Lambert who wanted them gone and ordered them off the training ground. Or more likely told them to "get ta' fuck".
Rumours are that it was Lambert who wanted them gone and ordered them off the training ground. Or more likely told them to "get ta' fuck".
There are of course also rumours that Lerner has gone over Lambert's head. I think the supplementary rumours are people of either side passing off wishful thinking as gossip.
While you are right that it is mostly conjecture and people trying to form theories with little in the way of hard facts to support them, I do think that Lambert publicly welcoming Sid and Given does not sot back up the suggestion that it was done over his head.
Rumours are that it was Lambert who wanted them gone and ordered them off the training ground. Or more likely told them to "get ta' fuck".
There are of course also rumours that Lerner has gone over Lambert's head. I think the supplementary rumours are people of either side passing off wishful thinking as gossip.
While you are right that it is mostly conjecture and people trying to form theories with little in the way of hard facts to support them, I do think that Lambert publicly welcoming Sid and Given does not sot back up the suggestion that it was done over his head.
The "delighted" line doesn't sound very convincing. I can imagine Faulkner writing that.
I am not so sure about Sid, I really want him to succeed but on the other hand I would not want his reputation to be tarnished if things do not work out.
Rumours are that it was Lambert who wanted them gone and ordered them off the training ground. Or more likely told them to "get ta' fuck".
There are of course also rumours that Lerner has gone over Lambert's head. I think the supplementary rumours are people of either side passing off wishful thinking as gossip.
While you are right that it is mostly conjecture and people trying to form theories with little in the way of hard facts to support them, I do think that Lambert publicly welcoming Sid and Given does not sot back up the suggestion that it was done over his head.
The "delighted" line doesn't sound very convincing. I can imagine Faulkner writing that.
Maybe, although I doubt Lambert would let comments be attributed to him he did not make.
Yes he would mumble We Go AgainRumours are that it was Lambert who wanted them gone and ordered them off the training ground. Or more likely told them to "get ta' fuck".
There are of course also rumours that Lerner has gone over Lambert's head. I think the supplementary rumours are people of either side passing off wishful thinking as gossip.
While you are right that it is mostly conjecture and people trying to form theories with little in the way of hard facts to support them, I do think that Lambert publicly welcoming Sid and Given does not sot back up the suggestion that it was done over his head.
The "delighted" line doesn't sound very convincing. I can imagine Faulkner writing that.
Maybe, although I doubt Lambert would let comments be attributed to him he did not make.
Collymore on TS now
I get the thing with Culverhouse - from the rumours, he may have previous for being a hothead - but Karsa as well? Just because they're both coaches, they're not joined at the hip. You will most likely find that the relationship between them and Lambert has broken down to the extent that it's irreparable. I would assume the players have not been keen on their coaching methods for some time, hence the chronic drop-off in form, but it has taken the previous four results for Lambert to make his mind up that they're not doing enough. I would say there has been a point at which Lambert and his coaches have disagreed so much that he has forced their hand to either support him or undermine him, and they could no longer pledge their support.
Rumours are that it was Lambert who wanted them gone and ordered them off the training ground. Or more likely told them to "get ta' fuck".
There are of course also rumours that Lerner has gone over Lambert's head. I think the supplementary rumours are people of either side passing off wishful thinking as gossip.
While you are right that it is mostly conjecture and people trying to form theories with little in the way of hard facts to support them, I do think that Lambert publicly welcoming Sid and Given does not sot back up the suggestion that it was done over his head.
The "delighted" line doesn't sound very convincing. I can imagine Faulkner writing that.
Maybe, although I doubt Lambert would let comments be attributed to him he did not make.
Similarly I couldn't see the club allowing it to be published if it did not reflect his position, given the potential for a MON type situation in the future.
Nothing much really, reckons we will just scrape through this season.Collymore on TS now
What's he saying? Can't listen because their stream is absolute pony and won't work.
I do think that Lambert was in support of the decision rather than it happening over his head though. Were it not, he'd have walked out too and started legal proceedings for constructive dismissal.
I get the thing with Culverhouse - from the rumours, he may have previous for being a hothead - but Karsa as well? Just because they're both coaches, they're not joined at the hip. You will most likely find that the relationship between them and Lambert has broken down to the extent that it's irreparable. I would assume the players have not been keen on their coaching methods for some time, hence the chronic drop-off in form, but it has taken the previous four results for Lambert to make his mind up that they're not doing enough. I would say there has been a point at which Lambert and his coaches have disagreed so much that he has forced their hand to either support him or undermine him, and they could no longer pledge their support.
Would that lead to a suspension, though? That suggests punishment for wrongdoing, not just a difference of opinion.
I am not so sure about Sid, I really want him to succeed but on the other hand I would not want his reputation to be tarnished if things do not work out. I would have preferred Gary McAllister to have been contracted until the end of the season, I posted on here months ago that the root of Villa problems was the lack of Premiership level coaching. For me this is a day to rejoice as Culverhouse was, I believe, completely out of his depth. I reckon we will run riot on Saturday and rip Southampton apart.I really hope you are right about Saturday.
Rumours are that it was Lambert who wanted them gone and ordered them off the training ground. Or more likely told them to "get ta' fuck".
There are of course also rumours that Lerner has gone over Lambert's head. I think the supplementary rumours are people of either side passing off wishful thinking as gossip.
While you are right that it is mostly conjecture and people trying to form theories with little in the way of hard facts to support them, I do think that Lambert publicly welcoming Sid and Given does not sot back up the suggestion that it was done over his head.
Nothing much really, reckons we will just scrape through this season.Collymore on TS now
What's he saying? Can't listen because their stream is absolute pony and won't work.
If true I think this would definitely justify a suspension - putting personal disagreements before the good of the Club.
Those rumours from a few pages ago of Delph and Gabby being left out of the Fulham games because of a fall out with Culverhouse is shocking if true.Not shocking at all. Culverhouse probably relayed the bust up to Lambert and at that time Lambert supported his Management team by leaving out both players. Post that further information (prob) came to light and Lambert has taken a different decision. If two players were left out in a key game because of wrong information from Karsa and Culverhouse than suspension followed by dismissal is the right path.
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The timing is interesting, though. The fall-outs have been bandied about for more than a week, so for 2 key senior members of staff to be suspended pending an investigation sounds more like other allegations have been made that we don't know about. They have to be very serious for this action to be taken.
I am hoping, like Brian Green said earlier on here that this has nothing to do with the wider problem of corruption affecting betting on matches and it would be a relief if it came down to personalities, in that context.
Those rumours from a few pages ago of Delph and Gabby being left out of the Fulham games because of a fall out with Culverhouse is shocking if true.Not shocking at all. Culverhouse probably relayed the bust up to Lambert and at that time Lambert supported his Management team by leaving out both players. Post that further information (prob) came to light and Lambert has taken a different decision. If two players were left out in a key game because of wrong information from Karsa and Culverhouse than suspension followed by dismissal is the right path.
I'd love to see P. Pot painted on the tarmac in the car park.New owners slogan will be "Crap last four years. Bright future."
Pol Pot would have those last 4 years erased, he's the kind we need in B6.
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F*cking hell, I don't mind "ITK's" and don't knock them all as attention seekers like some people seem to. But this 'Admin' fella on TBAR has as his avatar a picture of God (morgan freeman in Bruce almighty). Would it be possible to be any more up your own arse?
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F*cking hell, I don't mind "ITK's" and don't knock them all as attention seekers like some people seem to. But this 'Admin' fella on TBAR has as his avatar a picture of God (morgan freeman in Bruce almighty). Would it be possible to be any more up your own arse?
All seeing Admin. Apparently Admin does not engage in chat nor does Admin respond to post. Twat.
Charles Nzogbia promoted to DoF ?
The more I think about it, the more convinced I am that this is Lambert's decision.The interesting bit is that previously Lambert and Culverhouse have been a double act - you don't get one without the other; not sure how close Karsa is with the other two.
There is no way he would allow himself to be undermined by Faulkner coming in and suspending them without his agreement. His cryptic comments on the weekend and the rumours about strife at BMH previously seems to add up with the total loss of form in the past four games.
A ignominious end to a shambles of a few weeks.
The more I think about it, the more convinced I am that this is Lambert's decision.
There is no way he would allow himself to be undermined by Faulkner coming in and suspending them without his agreement. His cryptic comments on the weekend and the rumours about strife at BMH previously seems to add up with the total loss of form in the past four games.
I believe that Shay will be a big success in this role. Ive met him twice . He seemed quite intelligent and a good talker.
I think it's tongue in cheek.What's TBAR?
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F*cking hell, I don't mind "ITK's" and don't knock them all as attention seekers like some people seem to. But this 'Admin' fella on TBAR has as his avatar a picture of God (morgan freeman in Bruce almighty). Would it be possible to be any more up your own arse?
I think you are missing the point, like a lot of other people on here.What's TBAR?
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F*cking hell, I don't mind "ITK's" and don't knock them all as attention seekers like some people seem to. But this 'Admin' fella on TBAR has as his avatar a picture of God (morgan freeman in Bruce almighty). Would it be possible to be any more up your own arse?
All seeing Admin. Apparently Admin does not engage in chat nor does Admin respond to post. Twat.
What's TBAR?
Ask Eastie
F*cking hell, I don't mind "ITK's" and don't knock them all as attention seekers like some people seem to. But this 'Admin' fella on TBAR has as his avatar a picture of God (morgan freeman in Bruce almighty). Would it be possible to be any more up your own arse?
All seeing Admin. Apparently Admin does not engage in chat nor does Admin respond to post. Twat.
I believe that Shay will be a big success in this role. Ive met him twice . He seemed quite intelligent and a good talker.
That may be the case, but I really can't see Paul Lambert welcoming Shay Given into his coaching team after freezing him out of his plans for the best part of two seasons. That decision has surely come from above.
It does seem a little strange on the whole, as normally in these situations, it's the manager and his coaching staff that noirmally get suspended.
I'd love to see P. Pot painted on the tarmac in the car park.New owners slogan will be "Crap last four years. Bright future."
Pol Pot would have those last 4 years erased, he's the kind we need in B6.
It does seem that way, Dave used to get to know things but he must be out in the cold.What's TBAR?
Ask Eastie
F*cking hell, I don't mind "ITK's" and don't knock them all as attention seekers like some people seem to. But this 'Admin' fella on TBAR has as his avatar a picture of God (morgan freeman in Bruce almighty). Would it be possible to be any more up your own arse?
All seeing Admin. Apparently Admin does not engage in chat nor does Admin respond to post. Twat.
Maybe but it does seem that TBAR is the place to go for breaking news.
Indeed. The place to go for all biscuit related news.Well they beat H&V to the punch.
Indeed. The place to go for all biscuit related news.Well they beat H&V to the punch.
You sound a bit on the jealous side, is that what's up?Indeed. The place to go for all biscuit related news.Well they beat H&V to the punch.
Punch and biscuits? Party central.
It does seem that way, Dave used to get to know things but he must be out in the cold.What's TBAR?
Ask Eastie
F*cking hell, I don't mind "ITK's" and don't knock them all as attention seekers like some people seem to. But this 'Admin' fella on TBAR has as his avatar a picture of God (morgan freeman in Bruce almighty). Would it be possible to be any more up your own arse?
All seeing Admin. Apparently Admin does not engage in chat nor does Admin respond to post. Twat.
Maybe but it does seem that TBAR is the place to go for breaking news.
You sound a bit on the jealous side, is that what's up?Indeed. The place to go for all biscuit related news.Well they beat H&V to the punch.
Punch and biscuits? Party central.
Never know it might give us a lift, as people have said we can't get much worse.
You sound a bit on the jealous side, is that what's up?Indeed. The place to go for all biscuit related news.Well they beat H&V to the punch.
Punch and biscuits? Party central.
Not at all Goldie.
Where are they doing that? Are you just upset because after all your sucking up to your mate Paul he left you in the dark? Have you tried phoning him? I believe you told everyone you had his number and could call him any time?It does seem that way, Dave used to get to know things but he must be out in the cold.What's TBAR?
Ask Eastie
F*cking hell, I don't mind "ITK's" and don't knock them all as attention seekers like some people seem to. But this 'Admin' fella on TBAR has as his avatar a picture of God (morgan freeman in Bruce almighty). Would it be possible to be any more up your own arse?
All seeing Admin. Apparently Admin does not engage in chat nor does Admin respond to post. Twat.
Maybe but it does seem that TBAR is the place to go for breaking news.
Obviously. And yet so many of them on there spend so much of their time talking about him. Strange indeed are the ways of the world.
I believe that Shay will be a big success in this role. Ive met him twice . He seemed quite intelligent and a good talker.
That may be the case, but I really can't see Paul Lambert welcoming Shay Given into his coaching team after freezing him out of his plans for the best part of two seasons. That decision has surely come from above.
It does seem a little strange on the whole, as normally in these situations, it's the manager and his coaching staff that noirmally get suspended.
Maybe they get on fine despite Given not being in the squad? It does happen.
Where are they doing that? Are you just upset because after all your sucking up to your mate Paul he left you in the dark? Have you tried phoning him? I believe you told everyone you had his number and could call him any time?It does seem that way, Dave used to get to know things but he must be out in the cold.What's TBAR?
Ask Eastie
F*cking hell, I don't mind "ITK's" and don't knock them all as attention seekers like some people seem to. But this 'Admin' fella on TBAR has as his avatar a picture of God (morgan freeman in Bruce almighty). Would it be possible to be any more up your own arse?
All seeing Admin. Apparently Admin does not engage in chat nor does Admin respond to post. Twat.
Maybe but it does seem that TBAR is the place to go for breaking news.
Obviously. And yet so many of them on there spend so much of their time talking about him. Strange indeed are the ways of the world.
Apparently they have gone for 'persistent under performance'. That has to be a first in a football club and fair play if true. Now the man who appointed them needs to leave as well.
Please cut out the s stirring or this thread will be locked. I have always wanted to say that :-)
Christmas lunch will be interesting with the Lambert family and the Karsa's ;)
Apparently they have gone for 'persistent under performance'. That has to be a first in a football club and fair play if true. Now the man who appointed them needs to leave as well.
Where did that come from?
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/aston-villa-assure-paul-lambert-3417095I would hazard a guess that this is absolute twaddle from Nursey. ITV have picked up on the notion of us having our first decent training session in months too, their "sources" credited with discovering this...on the Mirrors website probably.
this just in.
Why post on here then?? Just to stir shit up?Where are they doing that? Are you just upset because after all your sucking up to your mate Paul he left you in the dark? Have you tried phoning him? I believe you told everyone you had his number and could call him any time?It does seem that way, Dave used to get to know things but he must be out in the cold.What's TBAR?
Ask Eastie
F*cking hell, I don't mind "ITK's" and don't knock them all as attention seekers like some people seem to. But this 'Admin' fella on TBAR has as his avatar a picture of God (morgan freeman in Bruce almighty). Would it be possible to be any more up your own arse?
All seeing Admin. Apparently Admin does not engage in chat nor does Admin respond to post. Twat.
Maybe but it does seem that TBAR is the place to go for breaking news.
Obviously. And yet so many of them on there spend so much of their time talking about him. Strange indeed are the ways of the world.
Agree completely on Gabby. As the senior player with over 300 appearances, he should've stepped up, taken responsibilty and lead by example, but he's done nothing near. We all know the coaching has been suspect throughout this season and maybe now Sid will make the differecne. Sid's back! Yaaaaaaayyyyyyy!!Something has turned with Gabby in the last couple of months too. Obviously his erratic form is one thing we're all used to. But the effort hasn't quite been there either in recent games. Whether that's because he's been growing frustrated with the coaching, who knows? He looks a frustrated player at the moment.Aren't Lambert and Gary Karsa related in some way?
Brother in Law
So are we to assume Lambert went into the Fulham game without Gabby and Delph by choice ..FFS.Talk about shooting yourself in the foot..
Noticed Luna tweeted nice day in Birmingham soon after the news came out , could be nothing but had herd he took alot of abuse from the side lines from Culverhouse.
Well if he did that he is a fucking idiot. He may not have like dissent but close enough to the end of the season to deal with it then.
Lambert's gone.
I suspect that based on 4 years of failures the board may try a proper DoF / coach combo come next month.
Delph was also poor against Palace, possibly as poor as he's been this season for us. Given how clueless we looked going forward, it's no wonder he cut a frustrated figure during the game.
News just in. John Carew being bought in as 'Relaxation Therapy' Coach whatever that is.
Where are they doing that? Are you just upset because after all your sucking up to your mate Paul he left you in the dark? Have you tried phoning him? I believe you told everyone you had his number and could call him any time?
Where are they doing that? Are you just upset because after all your sucking up to your mate Paul he left you in the dark? Have you tried phoning him? I believe you told everyone you had his number and could call him any time?
I don't get it, if you're all so amazingly happy over there, how come you spend half your time bleating on about this place and the other half here, telling us how happy you are over there?
I don't understand, if you've found somewhere you prefer to be, why don't you just go and be there, and get on with doing whatever it is that you want to do rather than coming back here and acting like a total arse?
Tw*tter rumours are 99.99% made-up b*ll*cks.
I can now say, without being disloyal, that I fucking hate Ian Culverhouse. What a loathsome shithouse.
I can now say, without being disloyal, that I fucking hate Ian Culverhouse. What a loathsome shithouse.
I can now say, without being disloyal, that I fucking hate Ian Culverhouse. What a loathsome shithouse.
I can now say, without being disloyal, that I fucking hate Ian Culverhouse. What a loathsome shithouse.
That's how I felt about him as a player - not in the Dennis Wise or Colin Hendry league but pretty close.
Point taken, paulie. I'll freely admit that I don't really understand how it works or see the point in it. I'll shut up now as I'm obviously out of my depth here. Apologies from an old(-ish) man.
My old man trains with a bloke who speaks regularly to Bertrand, he said a few days before the Palace game that the dressing room's been completely lost and that Albrighton came home on the train on his own after Saturday due to a falling out with Culverhouse.
My old man trains with a bloke who speaks regularly to Bertrand, he said a few days before the Palace game that the dressing room's been completely lost and that Albrighton came home on the train on his own after Saturday due to a falling out with Culverhouse.
The one thing I have with that is why would a footballer with plenty of spare cash catch a train? He could have bought a helicopter. Or a jet fighter. And why do no Villa fans seem to have seen him on the traindespite, i'm assuming, some would be on the same one.
My old man trains with a bloke who speaks regularly to Bertrand, he said a few days before the Palace game that the dressing room's been completely lost and that Albrighton came home on the train on his own after Saturday due to a falling out with Culverhouse.
The one thing I have with that is why would a footballer with plenty of spare cash catch a train? He could have bought a helicopter. Or a jet fighter. And why do no Villa fans seem to have seen him on the traindespite, i'm assuming, some would be on the same one.
My old man trains with a bloke who speaks regularly to Bertrand, he said a few days before the Palace game that the dressing room's been completely lost and that Albrighton came home on the train on his own after Saturday due to a falling out with Culverhouse.
The one thing I have with that is why would a footballer with plenty of spare cash catch a train? He could have bought a helicopter. Or a jet fighter. And why do no Villa fans seem to have seen him on the traindespite, i'm assuming, some would be on the same one.
Maybe he wore a disguise on the train.
My old man trains with a bloke who speaks regularly to Bertrand, he said a few days before the Palace game that the dressing room's been completely lost and that Albrighton came home on the train on his own after Saturday due to a falling out with Culverhouse.
The one thing I have with that is why would a footballer with plenty of spare cash catch a train? He could have bought a helicopter. Or a jet fighter. And why do no Villa fans seem to have seen him on the traindespite, i'm assuming, some would be on the same one.
I can't swear to it's credibility, just passing what I heard on. I do know that the bloke genuinely knows Bertrand well but for all I know it could be a case of Chinese whispers or what have you.
My old man trains with a bloke who speaks regularly to Bertrand, he said a few days before the Palace game that the dressing room's been completely lost and that Albrighton came home on the train on his own after Saturday due to a falling out with Culverhouse.
The one thing I have with that is why would a footballer with plenty of spare cash catch a train? He could have bought a helicopter. Or a jet fighter. And why do no Villa fans seem to have seen him on the traindespite, i'm assuming, some would be on the same one.
Maybe he wore a disguise on the train.
Parrot costume.
The best thing about Twitter is that I once wrote a Perl script to post to it remotely. The sense of achievement was better than average.
My old man trains with a bloke who speaks regularly to Bertrand, he said a few days before the Palace game that the dressing room's been completely lost and that Albrighton came home on the train on his own after Saturday due to a falling out with Culverhouse.
The one thing I have with that is why would a footballer with plenty of spare cash catch a train? He could have bought a helicopter. Or a jet fighter. And why do no Villa fans seem to have seen him on the traindespite, i'm assuming, some would be on the same one.
I can't swear to it's credibility, just passing what I heard on. I do know that the bloke genuinely knows Bertrand well but for all I know it could be a case of Chinese whispers or what have you.
I can fully believe all of it. Just the train bit seems a bit strange. I know if I was on that kind of money i'd have found a commoner to piggyback me all the to Brum.
My old man trains with a bloke who speaks regularly to Bertrand, he said a few days before the Palace game that the dressing room's been completely lost and that Albrighton came home on the train on his own after Saturday due to a falling out with Culverhouse.
The one thing I have with that is why would a footballer with plenty of spare cash catch a train? He could have bought a helicopter. Or a jet fighter. And why do no Villa fans seem to have seen him on the traindespite, i'm assuming, some would be on the same one.
Maybe he wore a disguise on the train.
My old man trains with a bloke who speaks regularly to Bertrand, he said a few days before the Palace game that the dressing room's been completely lost and that Albrighton came home on the train on his own after Saturday due to a falling out with Culverhouse.
The one thing I have with that is why would a footballer with plenty of spare cash catch a train? He could have bought a helicopter. Or a jet fighter. And why do no Villa fans seem to have seen him on the traindespite, i'm assuming, some would be on the same one.
Maybe he wore a disguise on the train.
Parrot costume.
Maybe a Groucho Marx disguise. All he'd need is the glasses and tache.
My old man trains with a bloke who speaks regularly to Bertrand, he said a few days before the Palace game that the dressing room's been completely lost and that Albrighton came home on the train on his own after Saturday due to a falling out with Culverhouse.
The one thing I have with that is why would a footballer with plenty of spare cash catch a train? He could have bought a helicopter. Or a jet fighter. And why do no Villa fans seem to have seen him on the traindespite, i'm assuming, some would be on the same one.
I can't swear to it's credibility, just passing what I heard on. I do know that the bloke genuinely knows Bertrand well but for all I know it could be a case of Chinese whispers or what have you.
I can fully believe all of it. Just the train bit seems a bit strange. I know if I was on that kind of money i'd have found a commoner to piggyback me all the to Brum.
The problem I have with it is that I don't believe that a cosseted footballer would know how to catch a train without a grown up to look after him.
My old man trains with a bloke who speaks regularly to Bertrand, he said a few days before the Palace game that the dressing room's been completely lost and that Albrighton came home on the train on his own after Saturday due to a falling out with Culverhouse.
The one thing I have with that is why would a footballer with plenty of spare cash catch a train? He could have bought a helicopter. Or a jet fighter. And why do no Villa fans seem to have seen him on the traindespite, i'm assuming, some would be on the same one.
I can't swear to it's credibility, just passing what I heard on. I do know that the bloke genuinely knows Bertrand well but for all I know it could be a case of Chinese whispers or what have you.
I can fully believe all of it. Just the train bit seems a bit strange. I know if I was on that kind of money i'd have found a commoner to piggyback me all the to Brum.
The problem I have with it is that I don't believe that a cosseted footballer would know how to catch a train without a grown up to look after him.
My old man trains with a bloke who speaks regularly to Bertrand, he said a few days before the Palace game that the dressing room's been completely lost and that Albrighton came home on the train on his own after Saturday due to a falling out with Culverhouse.
The one thing I have with that is why would a footballer with plenty of spare cash catch a train? He could have bought a helicopter. Or a jet fighter. And why do no Villa fans seem to have seen him on the traindespite, i'm assuming, some would be on the same one.
Fair play to Given. He's been a model pro throughout the last couple of seasons and hasn't criticised the club. I admire him for stepping up when asked. There are plenty that wouldn't.However as somebody who has said that he wants to move into coaching, if he were offered a job as a first-team coach for a Premier League, he'd have been completely stupid to have turned it down just to prove a point.
What do you reckon, is he a window seat man?
My old man trains with a bloke who speaks regularly to Bertrand, he said a few days before the Palace game that the dressing room's been completely lost and that Albrighton came home on the train on his own after Saturday due to a falling out with Culverhouse.
The one thing I have with that is why would a footballer with plenty of spare cash catch a train? He could have bought a helicopter. Or a jet fighter. And why do no Villa fans seem to have seen him on the traindespite, i'm assuming, some would be on the same one.
I can't swear to it's credibility, just passing what I heard on. I do know that the bloke genuinely knows Bertrand well but for all I know it could be a case of Chinese whispers or what have you.
I can fully believe all of it. Just the train bit seems a bit strange. I know if I was on that kind of money i'd have found a commoner to piggyback me all the to Brum.
The problem I have with it is that I don't believe that a cosseted footballer would know how to catch a train without a grown up to look after him.
What do you reckon, is he a window seat man?Reckon he's like the guy with a 4 pack of Mackewens Bitter who you try not to make eye contact with for 2 hours
Perhaps he is proud that he used to have a station named after him. Good pub quiz question that. How many professional footballers have the same names as railway stations?Joey Barston
My old man trains with a bloke who speaks regularly to Bertrand, he said a few days before the Palace game that the dressing room's been completely lost and that Albrighton came home on the train on his own after Saturday due to a falling out with Culverhouse.
And why do no Villa fans seem to have seen him on the traindespite, i'm assuming, some would be on the same one.
Perhaps he is proud that he used to have a station named after him. Good pub quiz question that. How many professional footballers have the same names as railway stations?Barry
What do you reckon, is he a window seat man?
Dunno. I bet Randy Lerner always goes in the quiet carriage though.
Ji Sung Warwick Park Way
My old man trains with a bloke who speaks regularly to Bertrand, he said a few days before the Palace game that the dressing room's been completely lost and that Albrighton came home on the train on his own after Saturday due to a falling out with Culverhouse.
And why do no Villa fans seem to have seen him on the traindespite, i'm assuming, some would be on the same one.
The poster clearly states that Albrighton was on the train on his own.
Quote 'Culverhouse and Karsa have been suspended by the club pending an internal enquiry'. Must be serious for Lambert's two favourite people to get suspended!
John Crewe
So that clears it up nicely.My old man trains with a bloke who speaks regularly to Bertrand, he said a few days before the Palace game that the dressing room's been completely lost and that Albrighton came home on the train on his own after Saturday due to a falling out with Culverhouse.
And why do no Villa fans seem to have seen him on the traindespite, i'm assuming, some would be on the same one.
The poster clearly states that Albrighton was on the train on his own.
My old man trains with a bloke who speaks regularly to Bertrand, he said a few days before the Palace game that the dressing room's been completely lost and that Albrighton came home on the train on his own after Saturday due to a falling out with Culverhouse.
And why do no Villa fans seem to have seen him on the traindespite, i'm assuming, some would be on the same one.
The poster clearly states that Albrighton was on the train on his own.
Ah of course. Mystery solved. He bought a train.
Perhaps he is proud that he used to have a station named after him. Good pub quiz question that. How many professional footballers have the same names as railway stations?Barry
Sheringham
Shotton
Poole
Then my brain starts to hurt.
My old man trains with a bloke who speaks regularly to Bertrand, he said a few days before the Palace game that the dressing room's been completely lost and that Albrighton came home on the train on his own after Saturday due to a falling out with Culverhouse.
And why do no Villa fans seem to have seen him on the traindespite, i'm assuming, some would be on the same one.
The poster clearly states that Albrighton was on the train on his own.
Ah of course. Mystery solved. He bought a train.
Perhaps we hired him one like we used to for Archie Hunter.
My old man trains with a bloke who speaks regularly to Bertrand, he said a few days before the Palace game that the dressing room's been completely lost and that Albrighton came home on the train on his own after Saturday due to a falling out with Culverhouse.
The one thing I have with that is why would a footballer with plenty of spare cash catch a train? He could have bought a helicopter. Or a jet fighter. And why do no Villa fans seem to have seen him on the traindespite, i'm assuming, some would be on the same one.
Maybe he wore a disguise on the train.
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Isn't the Delph / gabby row stuff a red herring?
Seems to be more about quality of coaching according to reports. But would you really suspend and investigate on that front? Would be odd
Perhaps he is proud that he used to have a station named after him. Good pub quiz question that. How many professional footballers have the same names as railway stations?
My old man trains with a bloke who speaks regularly to Bertrand, he said a few days before the Palace game that the dressing room's been completely lost and that Albrighton came home on the train on his own after Saturday due to a falling out with Culverhouse.
The one thing I have with that is why would a footballer with plenty of spare cash catch a train? He could have bought a helicopter. Or a jet fighter. And why do no Villa fans seem to have seen him on the traindespite, i'm assuming, some would be on the same one.
Bob. Stoke. Oh.
Cyrill Lyme Regis.
Cyrillic Lyme Regis.
So good I quoted myself, whilst trying to amend spellcheck, and still spelt his name wrong.
Mornington Crescent!!!!! Unless we are playing no diagonals or back crossing in the John Sleeuwenhoek rulebook.
Cyrillic Lyme Regis.
There's no railway station at Lyme Regis (sense of humour loss).
Not a station but railway related.
Kevin standard gauge.
Mornington Crescent!!!!! Unless we are playing no diagonals or back crossing in the John Sleeuwenhoek rulebook.
Well, shame on you.
Mornington Crescent!!!!! Unless we are playing no diagonals or back crossing in the John Sleeuwenhoek rulebook.
Well, shame on you.
I don't know sometimes this website is like carrying Scholes to Newcastle.
Mornington Crescent!!!!! Unless we are playing no diagonals or back crossing in the John Sleeuwenhoek rulebook.
Well, shame on you.
I don't know sometimes this website is like carrying Scholes to Newcastle.
Ah, I see what you're trying to do there - impose the Schleiffen Initiative, thrice removed. Unfortunately I believe that this was revoked at the Congress of Palermo, unless used in conjunction with the Hindenburg Variation. Unless I am very much mistaken, you have instead reprised the Romanov Adaptation.
Vlaar du Nord.
Indeed. The place to go for all biscuit related news.Well they beat H&V to the punch.
Whatever hi-jinks and hugger-muggery has gone on this has been the best thread since the one about meeting footballers - for so many reasons I am now looking forward to Saturday again and shall alternately be booing loudly and cheering wildly in equal but indiscriminate measure until removed from the Holte End by force
Mornington Crescent!!!!! Unless we are playing no diagonals or back crossing in the John Sleeuwenhoek rulebook.
Well, shame on you.
I don't know sometimes this website is like carrying Scholes to Newcastle.
Ah, I see what you're trying to do there - impose the Schleiffen Initiative, thrice removed. Unfortunately I believe that this was revoked at the Congress of Palermo, unless used in conjunction with the Hindenburg Variation. Unless I am very much mistaken, you have instead reprised the Romanov Adaptation.
Dammit, I thought I might be able to slip the Kiev Ultimatum through on a football site... Sir you are too canny for me. I shall return to delve into my A-Z and back issues of the "Life and Times of Saint Humphers de Little Town" and prepare a suitable riposte.
I've been painting doors (not a euphemism) all day, so had missed all this.
Have just worked through the 19 pages. A very amusing read at times.
Obviously, Lambert referring to "things going on behind the scenes" the other day was talking about this, and it is hard to see how he could still be here if his coaching team had just been binned without agreement, so he must be on-board with the decision.
A couple of things I don't understand, though.
One is why, if it is true that Gabby and Delph were dropped for Fulham after standing up for Sid, did Lambert agree with that move being made, only to now support them getting the tin tack a week and a bit later?
The other is, if the problem is the way Karsa and Culverhouse treat other staff, how often does Lambert actually go to training for him not to have noticed and done something about this before?
I don't know what to think about this. On the one side, I am happy that something might now change. On the other, I find myself thinking what kind of an utter shambles must the club be at the moment to have to do something like this, whilst in this threatened position?
Oh, and Shay Given goes from being in the Bomb Squad to being on the coaching staff in one day. How nuts is that?
Whatever hi-jinks and hugger-muggery has gone on this has been the best thread since the one about meeting footballers - for so many reasons I am now looking forward to Saturday again and shall alternately be booing loudly and cheering wildly in equal but indiscriminate measure until removed from the Holte End by force
I have to say, I didn't know any of this had happened till early evening, so read this thread from page 1 forwards (it was 20 pages or so at that point) and, explosive news though it may have carried, the thing that struck me most was how funny it was.
That's why H&V is so ace. At the same time a thread is controversial, hopeful, desparing, very funny, and littered with shit puns.
Agbon-Lahore Junction.I hate to encourage this silliness but very good Monty.
if it is to do with there performance then it would be a capability issue and suspension is not really appropriate.Yes an improvement plan is required!
John Crewe.
In the real world you would suspend an employee pending the outcome of a disciplinary hearing.
Suspension is usually reserved for cases of gross misconduct where whatever they have done is worthy of dismissal but you need to have a hearing to find out the details, and it is so bad that you cannot keep them on the premesis.
So as they were suspended it should be due to gross misconduct.
if it is to do with there performance then it would be a capability issue and suspension is not really appropriate.
but this is football and Villa so anything is possible
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Cyrillic Lyme Regis.
Aston Villa's troubled end to the season has taken another damaging turn after the Midlands club suspended Ian Culverhouse, their assistant manager, and Gary Karsa, the head of football operations, pending an internal investigation.
Although the development raises fresh questions about Paul Lambert's future, the Villa manager's relationship with both men had broken beyond repair and the Scot was supportive of the club's decision to take action against them.
Furthermore Randy Lerner, Villa's owner, and Paul Faulkner, the club's chief executive, continue to stand shoulder to shoulder with Lambert despite growing supporter unrest, another relegation battle and what, in effect, is an admission from the manager that the backroom staff he appointed in 2012 were part of the problem this season.
Exact details have yet to emerge of the official reason behind the suspensions but it is known that Culverhouse and Karsa, who had worked with Lambert for the past eight years, including spells at Norwich City, Wycombe Wanderers and Colchester, had upset staff and players with their approach, creating what has been described as "a poisonous atmosphere".
Culverhouse, who spent 10 years at Carrow Road as a player, took the majority of the training at Villa and is believed to have been a highly influential figure at the club. His methods, however, had started to come under greater scrutiny, with resentment and concern building among players. There was an incident on the training ground a couple of weeks ago which left Fabian Delph and Gabriel Agbonlahor upset.
It has emerged that problems with Culverhouse and Karsa were longstanding. Lambert's once extremely close alliance with the pair unravelled and disintegrated to the point that there was a total loss of trust, culminating in tension that surfaced again at Crystal Palace on Saturday, when another altercation – believed to have taken place in the dressing room – preceded a fourth successive Premier League defeat, leaving Villa only four points clear of the relegation zone before Saturday's visit of Southampton.
The situation with Culverhouse and Karsa had become so serious that Villa felt compelled to act.
The club confirmed in a statement on Tuesday that Culverhouse and Karsa, who also worked together at Barnet and Leyton Orient prior to linking up with Lambert, had been suspended. An inquiry, involving Villa's legal advisers and overseen by the club's human resources department, is expected to be concluded before the end of the season.
In the meantime Gordon Cowans, a development coach at the club, and Shay Given, the out-of-favour former Republic of Ireland goalkeeper, have replaced Culverhouse and Karsa with immediate effect, with Lambert overseeing those appointments. "I'm delighted to have Gordon and Shay to assist me in preparing the team for Saturday, which is what the whole group is focused on," the Villa manager said.
Given's promotion to the coaching staff comes as something of a surprise – he has been frozen out under Lambert and not made an appearance for the club since the 2-1 FA Cup defeat against Millwall 15 months ago – but he is highly respected among the players and has remained an influential voice in the squad, despite being relegated to the role of third-choice goalkeeper.
The 37-year-old has been taking his coaching badges and, with one eye on the future, may see this as the first step in a future career.
With Cowans, a European Cup winner in 1982 and a hugely popular figure within the club, also on board, Villa are confident the changes will create a much more positive mood among the players, as well as the supporters, during the final five, potentially crucial, matches of the season.
Brian Little Aston
This is interesting.
The bit in bold particularly.
I have to ask, if this breakdown of trust between Lambert and staff is true, how on earth did he allow stuff like this to happen?QuoteAston Villa's troubled end to the season has taken another damaging turn after the Midlands club suspended Ian Culverhouse, their assistant manager, and Gary Karsa, the head of football operations, pending an internal investigation.
Although the development raises fresh questions about Paul Lambert's future, the Villa manager's relationship with both men had broken beyond repair and the Scot was supportive of the club's decision to take action against them.
Furthermore Randy Lerner, Villa's owner, and Paul Faulkner, the club's chief executive, continue to stand shoulder to shoulder with Lambert despite growing supporter unrest, another relegation battle and what, in effect, is an admission from the manager that the backroom staff he appointed in 2012 were part of the problem this season.
Exact details have yet to emerge of the official reason behind the suspensions but it is known that Culverhouse and Karsa, who had worked with Lambert for the past eight years, including spells at Norwich City, Wycombe Wanderers and Colchester, had upset staff and players with their approach, creating what has been described as "a poisonous atmosphere".
Culverhouse, who spent 10 years at Carrow Road as a player, took the majority of the training at Villa and is believed to have been a highly influential figure at the club. His methods, however, had started to come under greater scrutiny, with resentment and concern building among players. There was an incident on the training ground a couple of weeks ago which left Fabian Delph and Gabriel Agbonlahor upset.
It has emerged that problems with Culverhouse and Karsa were longstanding. Lambert's once extremely close alliance with the pair unravelled and disintegrated to the point that there was a total loss of trust, culminating in tension that surfaced again at Crystal Palace on Saturday, when another altercation – believed to have taken place in the dressing room – preceded a fourth successive Premier League defeat, leaving Villa only four points clear of the relegation zone before Saturday's visit of Southampton.
The situation with Culverhouse and Karsa had become so serious that Villa felt compelled to act.
The club confirmed in a statement on Tuesday that Culverhouse and Karsa, who also worked together at Barnet and Leyton Orient prior to linking up with Lambert, had been suspended. An inquiry, involving Villa's legal advisers and overseen by the club's human resources department, is expected to be concluded before the end of the season.
In the meantime Gordon Cowans, a development coach at the club, and Shay Given, the out-of-favour former Republic of Ireland goalkeeper, have replaced Culverhouse and Karsa with immediate effect, with Lambert overseeing those appointments. "I'm delighted to have Gordon and Shay to assist me in preparing the team for Saturday, which is what the whole group is focused on," the Villa manager said.
Given's promotion to the coaching staff comes as something of a surprise – he has been frozen out under Lambert and not made an appearance for the club since the 2-1 FA Cup defeat against Millwall 15 months ago – but he is highly respected among the players and has remained an influential voice in the squad, despite being relegated to the role of third-choice goalkeeper.
The 37-year-old has been taking his coaching badges and, with one eye on the future, may see this as the first step in a future career.
With Cowans, a European Cup winner in 1982 and a hugely popular figure within the club, also on board, Villa are confident the changes will create a much more positive mood among the players, as well as the supporters, during the final five, potentially crucial, matches of the season.
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/apr/15/aston-villa-coaches-ian-culverhouse-gary-karsa
Roll on South-harry-hampton. They'll be on the beach and we can have them.
The signing of Holt makes more sense now.Back up for Lambert against his 2 coaches.
For the situation to get this far just shows Lambert is weak as fuck.
It's good to know that the club appears to have drawn a poison. My only hope is that a lot of the problems go back to Lambert wanting to change the style but Culverhouse refusing to change his training methods - there certainly have been disgruntled rumblings about what went on at BMH, which by all accounts Lambert trusted to Culverhouse. This is my new hope, and I'm sticking to it until further notice.
Roll on South-fucking-hampton. They'll be on the beach and we can have them.
My old man trains with a bloke who speaks regularly to Bertrand, he said a few days before the Palace game that the dressing room's been completely lost and that Albrighton came home on the train on his own after Saturday due to a falling out with Culverhouse.
The one thing I have with that is why would a footballer with plenty of spare cash catch a train? He could have bought a helicopter. Or a jet fighter. And why do no Villa fans seem to have seen him on the traindespite, i'm assuming, some would be on the same one.
Not on the specially chartered Albrighton Express they wouldn't.
It's good to know that the club appears to have drawn a poison. My only hope is that a lot of the problems go back to Lambert wanting to change the style but Culverhouse refusing to change his training methods - there certainly have been disgruntled rumblings about what went on at BMH, which by all accounts Lambert trusted to Culverhouse. This is my new hope, and I'm sticking to it until further notice.
Roll on South-fucking-hampton. They'll be on the beach and we can have them.
It would certainly be a lot easier to change the coaching staff to effect a change of playing style than it would be to change the manager. What I don't understand though - haven't some of Lambert's teams (with Culverhouse and Karsa coaching) played some good football in the past?
Your answer makes him sound even weaker.The signing of Holt makes more sense now.Back up for Lambert against his 2 coaches.
For the situation to get this far just shows Lambert is weak as fuck.
Or that either the board wouldn't back him by canning the bastards, or that Lambert didn't want to become completely estranged from his managerial team of half a decade.
Your answer makes him sound even weaker.The signing of Holt makes more sense now.Back up for Lambert against his 2 coaches.
For the situation to get this far just shows Lambert is weak as fuck.
Or that either the board wouldn't back him by canning the bastards, or that Lambert didn't want to become completely estranged from his managerial team of half a decade.
I'm sure if he went to the board told them he wasn't happy with them and told them get get rid they would,or is this a case of the club not wanting another day in court.
This just shows the structure of the club is bonkers.
Ivor 'the train engine' Linton
Mr Woodhall on Talksport now
Mr Woodhall on Talksport nowEastie up next.
I would hate to have a conversation like that with my sister. In fact I'd sooner quit my job, sell my house and leave the country
Mr Woodhall on Talksport now
His yam yam accent is barely detectable.
I always assumed the guy was in his 70's....I sense I'm wrong listening to him.Mr Woodhall on Talksport now
His yam yam accent is barely detectable.
Dave should be fine. I have just given his pre TalkShite pep talk to him!
I always assumed the guy was in his 70's....I sense I'm wrong listening to him.Mr Woodhall on Talksport now
His yam yam accent is barely detectable.
Pat Murphy just been on five live said it came to a head at Palace and was definitely requested by Lambert.Pat Murphy knows the thin edge of fuck all.
I imagined our leader to be an elderly gent....I have then followed it up with a compliment on your youthful tone.I always assumed the guy was in his 70's....I sense I'm wrong listening to him.Mr Woodhall on Talksport now
His yam yam accent is barely detectable.
Verbal warning.
Wayne UxbridgeI just Googled him and got a picture of a man in a wheelchair.
Luke Moore StreetI just Googled him and got a picture of Luke Moore.He was standing up.
Luke Moore StreetI just Googled him and got a picture of Luke Moore.He was standing up.
Luke Moore StreetI just Googled him and got a picture of Luke Moore.He was standing up.
Was he in a street?
Nah,too lazy to go outside.Luke Moore StreetI just Googled him and got a picture of Luke Moore.He was standing up.
Was he in a street?
Ian Culverhouse and Gary Karsa suspended after breakdown in relationships with players
Mail Sport understands several Villa first team players unhappy with coaching methods used by Ian Culverhouse and Gary Karsa
Apr 15, 2014 22:30 By Brian Dick
Aston Villa suspended two members of their coaching set-up after relationships with players in Paul Lambert’s first team squad became fractured.
Assistant manager Ian Culverhouse and head of footballing operations Gary Karsa are both facing internal investigations following Tuesday’s announcement.
Villa legend Gordon Cowans and veteran goalkeeper Shay Given have stepped up to help manager Paul Lambert negotiate the final five games of the season, starting with Saturday’s Premier League match with Southampton.
Villa are refusing to give any reasons for the action taken against two of Lambert’s closest lieutenants, preferring to retreat behind the screen of human resource-speak.
However, Mail Sport understands several of Lambert’s players were unhappy with the coaches’ methods, a fact that was increasingly impacting on performances.
But it seems conspiracy theories surrounding the absence of Gabby Agbonlahor and Fabian Delph from Villa's defeat against Fulham are wide of the mark.
It is claimed Agbonlahor had a virus, while influential midfielder Delph was struggling with an Achilles injury.
Ironically the news about Culverhouse and Karsa, who were with Lambert at Wycombe and Norwich, came just 24 hours after chief executive Paul Faulkner called for a show of unity.
His plea to supporters, players and coaches will have rung hollow when a statement was made on Tuesday morning, although perhaps not to the Villa players who are understood to have trained better than for many months
Cowans’s appointment will please some supporters who will remember him from his playing days when as a cultured midfielder he was part of the side that won the First Division championship and European Cup.
Cowans has remained a part of the club’s fabric ever since hanging up his boots in the late 90s, both at youth and first team level, and his understanding of what it takes and means to be a Villa player can only help reconnect Lambert’s players with their disillusioned fans.
Cowans said: “The manager has asked me to step up to assist him at this time and I’ll do my utmost for the Club and the manager in helping prepare the team for Saturday’s game against Southampton.”
For Given the appointment represents a startling change in fortunes.
The former Republic of Ireland international has not played for the club since January 2013 and had even been farmed out on loan to Championship outfit Middlesbrough earlier this season.
In fact Given had relished the oxygen of first team football so much in February he described himself as ‘gutted’ when he had to leave The Riverside.
The 37-year-old has returned to Bodymoor Heath and has sat behind untested Cambridge recruit Jed Steer as Brad Guzan’s back up until called upon on Tuesday.
“As players, it’s important that each and every one of us take responsibility right now,” Given said.
“I’m delighted to play my part in helping the manager and the team go and try to win on Saturday.”
As for Lambert’s position, rather than being undermined by the removal of Culverhouse and Karsa, it seems a more harmonious camp could actually help the manager whose own position has come under fire after recent results.
So now the club can be shown to be covering this up with 'injuries'.Any half decent brief would love talking this on for the pair of them.
You can be sure it will be brought up in any suspension meeting they have.So now the club can be shown to be covering this up with 'injuries'.Any half decent brief would love talking this on for the pair of them.
Sorry Bert, covering what up with injuries?
All they're saying is the speculation that a bust up with Gabby and Delph didn't play a part in this, but that there was something else going on.
Only a problem if they then point to such a bust up as part of the reasons for initiating disciplinary procedings.
You can be sure it will be brought up in any suspension meeting they have.So now the club can be shown to be covering this up with 'injuries'.Any half decent brief would love talking this on for the pair of them.
Sorry Bert, covering what up with injuries?
All they're saying is the speculation that a bust up with Gabby and Delph didn't play a part in this, but that there was something else going on.
Only a problem if they then point to such a bust up as part of the reasons for initiating disciplinary procedings.
I guess we will never know what's been going on just like MON
Perhaps he is proud that he used to have a station named after him. Good pub quiz question that. How many professional footballers have the same names as railway stations?
Can't see a way back for this pair, even if found not guilty, especially Culverhouse.I don't know anything about him, but he does seem to attract a lot of bad press.
The players should get Sid a new training top with "Don't f*ck with me " on the back.
The club's lawyers are going to be busy, by the sound of it. God, what a mess. If Lambert did allow this to go on for weeks, as is claimed in the press, then he's even more useless than I thought.
The club's lawyers are going to be busy.
But they were suspended yesterday pending an investigation, so that's still to come.
I'm no expert on employment law, but I'm pretty sure you can't fire someone without compensation simply because of bad workplace chemistry. They have to be guilty of serious misconduct. There must be more to this.
I would hate to have a conversation like that with my sister. In fact I'd sooner quit my job, sell my house and leave the countryYes same here. However I would rent my house rather than selling it 8)
If Lerner still has any intention of us regaining any standing in the game we need a clear out, top to bottom.There is no such thing and we don't need to do that anyway.
No not in his 70's still lives in the 70's! Anyway what did his greatness proffer?I always assumed the guy was in his 70's....I sense I'm wrong listening to him.Mr Woodhall on Talksport now
His yam yam accent is barely detectable.
No not in his 70's still lives in the 70's! Anyway what did his greatness proffer?I always assumed the guy was in his 70's....I sense I'm wrong listening to him.Mr Woodhall on Talksport now
His yam yam accent is barely detectable.
No not in his 70's still lives in the 70's! Anyway what did his greatness proffer?I always assumed the guy was in his 70's....I sense I'm wrong listening to him.Mr Woodhall on Talksport now
His yam yam accent is barely detectable.
A clip round the ear for cheeky young posters.
No not in his 70's still lives in the 70's! Anyway what did his greatness proffer?I always assumed the guy was in his 70's....I sense I'm wrong listening to him.Mr Woodhall on Talksport now
His yam yam accent is barely detectable.
A clip round the ear for cheeky young posters.
For all the Lambert must be useless for letting this go on etc.. comments, is it not possible / plausible that Lambert has been trying to make things work, at least just to get through to the end of the season, or working under guidance from Faulkner / HR, presumably to minimise exposure to compensation claims later.It's been going for weeks,a poster said as much on here.
Whatever happened at the weekend was obviously severe enough to invoke a procedure that usually is reserved for Gross Misconduct, which is usually physical violence, passing of company sensitive information, embezzlement, theft or such like. You can draw your own conclusions as to which fits best with the events of the weekend through to yesterday.
If the weekend was "just" a continuation of whatever had gone before, it would just have resulted in the next stage of the process, which wouldn't be something we would hear about unless it was the last step and P45s for Culverhouse and Karsa.
Something drastic happened on Saturday over and above whatever else was going on for it to end with suspension pending investigation.
Don't think you can suspend someone for being crap.
You terminate someone's contract for being crap.
The incident before the Palace game obviously had a traumatic effect on poor ol' Ciaran Clark, who managed to send the ball sailing into touch with alarming regularity. Now I understand why. His mind was obviously on more important things.
It would be interesting to hear what Stephen Ireland has to say on this situation. He might have information that may be... er..interesting.
Or then again it may not.
The incident before the Palace game obviously had a traumatic effect on poor ol' Ciaran Clark, who managed to send the ball sailing into touch with alarming regularity. Now I understand why. His mind was obviously on more important things.that made me laugh
It would be interesting to hear what Stephen Ireland has to say on this situation. He might have information that may be... er..interesting.
Or then again it may not.
Stuart Euston.
Stuart Euston.
Houston not Euston
Robbie Earlswood
Stuart Euston.
Houston not Euston
No, it's definitely Euston station.....
Stuart Euston.
Houston not Euston
No, it's definitely Euston station.....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houston_railway_station
It's been going for weeks,a poster said as much on here.
Talking of train stations, does anyone actually get on or off at Duddeston?My wife says I aim for Euston, get on at Lea Hall and get off at Marston Green. :-(
Talking of train stations, does anyone actually get on or off at Duddeston?Not since 1972
Our new head of footballing development for next season has been unveiled:
(http://i1.birminghammail.co.uk/incoming/article109873.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/image-2-for-aston-villa-v-blackburn-the-match-in-pictures-gallery-587535098-109873.jpg)
Has anyone been able to find out what a 'head of football operations' role entails ?
Sounds like a made up job title. Wasn't/Isn't Karsa Lamberts brother in law or something ?
Has anyone been able to find out what a 'head of football operations' role entails ?
Sounds like a made up job title. Wasn't/Isn't Karsa Lamberts brother in law or something ?
Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch
Is he the one sent off recently at VP?
Frank RuberyApparently going to be reopened in the next few years I'm told....
Stuart Euston.
Houston not Euston
No, it's definitely Euston station.....
My old man trains with a bloke who speaks regularly to Bertrand, he said a few days before the Palace game that the dressing room's been completely lost and that Albrighton came home on the train on his own after Saturday due to a falling out with Culverhouse.
The one thing I have with that is why would a footballer with plenty of spare cash catch a train? He could have bought a helicopter. Or a jet fighter. And why do no Villa fans seem to have seen him on the traindespite, i'm assuming, some would be on the same one.
Wayne LongbridgeDon't think he played for Arsenal..
My old man trains with a bloke who speaks regularly to Bertrand, he said a few days before the Palace game that the dressing room's been completely lost and that Albrighton came home on the train on his own after Saturday due to a falling out with Culverhouse.
The one thing I have with that is why would a footballer with plenty of spare cash catch a train? He could have bought a helicopter. Or a jet fighter. And why do no Villa fans seem to have seen him on the traindespite, i'm assuming, some would be on the same one.
Wasn't there a European footballer at Arsenal a few years ago who was famous for always taking the bus and tube to Highbury/Emirates?
I didn't want to start a new thread as it may not have anything to do with the club, but there was a bunch of flowers with a note attached the main gates at VP this morning. I drove past them but as I was in a rush to snap up some more last minute Spurs tickets I never got to see what the note said?might it have been there from yesterday's Hillsborough anniversary?
can anyone shed any light on this?
UTV
Dion Dublin Connelly.
Justin Edinburgh been suggested yet?
My old man trains with a bloke who speaks regularly to Bertrand, he said a few days before the Palace game that the dressing room's been completely lost and that Albrighton came home on the train on his own after Saturday due to a falling out with Culverhouse.
The one thing I have with that is why would a footballer with plenty of spare cash catch a train? He could have bought a helicopter. Or a jet fighter. And why do no Villa fans seem to have seen him on the traindespite, i'm assuming, some would be on the same one.
Wasn't there a European footballer at Arsenal a few years ago who was famous for always taking the bus and tube to Highbury/Emirates?
OK I give in.
Zat Knightsbridge
Gareth Southgate
I didn't want to start a new thread as it may not have anything to do with the club, but there was a bunch of flowers with a note attached the main gates at VP this morning. I drove past them but as I was in a rush to snap up some more last minute Spurs tickets I never got to see what the note said?might it have been there from yesterday's Hillsborough anniversary?
can anyone shed any light on this?
UTV
Frank RuberyApparently going to be reopened in the next few years I'm told....
Stuart Euston.
Houston not Euston
No, it's definitely Euston station.....
We have a problem
just seen this on the OS, intresting read.
http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~3770361,00.html
I don't know about anyone else, but even though the club seems to be in a mess I'm actually looking forward to Saturday because I think the Cowans and Given promotion will actually give us a lift. Hopefully it'll galvanise the players into giving a good performance and lift the club from the doom.
I don't know about anyone else, but even though the club seems to be in a mess I'm actually looking forward to Saturday because I think the Cowans and Given promotion will actually give us a lift. Hopefully it'll galvanise the players into giving a good performance and lift the club from the doom.It might seem strange considering where we are in the table, but the performance could be more important than the result.
Samuel HS2
I don't know about anyone else, but even though the club seems to be in a mess I'm actually looking forward to Saturday because I think the Cowans and Given promotion will actually give us a lift. Hopefully it'll galvanise the players into giving a good performance and lift the club from the doom.
I am of the same view. It's as if something malignant has been removed and something very positive and, as you say, galvanising has filled the vacuum.
If we feel like this, then surely the players will too, so I am looking forward to Saturday.
I don't know about anyone else, but even though the club seems to be in a mess I'm actually looking forward to Saturday because I think the Cowans and Given promotion will actually give us a lift. Hopefully it'll galvanise the players into giving a good performance and lift the club from the doom.
I am of the same view. It's as if something malignant has been removed and something very positive and, as you say, galvanising has filled the vacuum.
If we feel like this, then surely the players will too, so I am looking forward to Saturday.
Same here. Just been chatting to a Wolves fan who is understandably chuffed at the moment and she was wondering if these events would have any adverse impact but I said probably just the opposite.
Frank RuberyApparently going to be reopened in the next few years I'm told....
Along with Moseley and Phil King's Heath.
Jordan Mutch Markle
"Our manager has been faced with some unexpected issues that could have very easily set the Club back," he said
Frank RuberyApparently going to be reopened in the next few years I'm told....
Along with Moseley and Phil King's Heath.
Which reminds me Graham Moseley
It used to be Edge and Ellison, who then became part of Hammonds Suddard Edge, which then became Hammonds, which then became, if I remember correctly, Squire Sanders. No idea who they use now. Sadly not my firm!They still do.
Yes, the Sports Bar with Gouldstein and Cundy. I think it was about 11 pm, it's on the podcast now if you're interested.Yes,No not in his 70's still lives in the 70's! Anyway what did his greatness proffer?I always assumed the guy was in his 70's....I sense I'm wrong listening to him.Mr Woodhall on Talksport now
His yam yam accent is barely detectable.
A clip round the ear for cheeky young posters.
Was that on Andy Goulstein's show last night? I normally have that on.
Link?Missing?
http://talksport.com/radio/listen-again/1397595600Link?Missing?
23:00-23:30Yep, roughly 18 minutes into the 11:00-11:30 podcast.
Steve's Taunton
Dennis Parsons Street
Wayne Bridge-water
I vote we have a sticky entitled - Randy Lerner comments on Aston Villa. You can post retrospective ones. Take all of 5 minutes?
James Chester RoadHopefully as soon as they they are found/plead guilty at the hearing and get the f*ck out of VP.
Does anybody know when Culverhouse will be officially named as the new Norwich manager with Karsa as his Assistant Manager?
James Chester Road
Does anybody know when Culverhouse will be officially named as the new Norwich manager with Karsa as his Assistant Manager?
James Chester Road
Does anybody know when Culverhouse will be officially named as the new Norwich manager with Karsa as his Assistant Manager?
I think someone mentioned this yesterday, and it struck me then as a neat explanation as to why this matter has come to a head for both men at the same time.
Randy's statement made particular reference to loyalty to the club, which gives me the indication that the Norwich link might have something to it.
That was me, and I can confirm that Duddeston station is a physical manifestation of a portal into the Fourth Dimension.Talking of train stations, does anyone actually get on or off at Duddeston?Not since 1972
Talking of train stations, does anyone actually get on or off at Duddeston?
It's very possible although I doubt it. I'm still swaying towards the player animosity theory. It would explain why we've been so inconsistently poor this season.Ahahaa Clampers me old mucker that's what you would like it to be as it fits what we desire.
Not since 1992.Talking of train stations, does anyone actually get on or off at Duddeston?Not since 1972
I must admit, I am happy these changes have taken place - better they happened than it dragged on even longer - but I do wonder, if Lambo was so in favour of binning them, how the fuck has it been allowed to go on so long?
If it is because Lambert just wasn't around or turned a blind eye to it, then that's a concern. Then again, if it is true that he tried to bin them ages ago, but the club wouldn't let him - and it is easy to guess what sort of reason they'd have for not wanting to do this, sadly - then that is every bit as worrying.
If it is a heavily negative influence, how has it gone on this long?
I must admit, I am happy these changes have taken place - better they happened than it dragged on even longer - but I do wonder, if Lambo was so in favour of binning them, how the fuck has it been allowed to go on so long?
If it is because Lambert just wasn't around or turned a blind eye to it, then that's a concern. Then again, if it is true that he tried to bin them ages ago, but the club wouldn't let him - and it is easy to guess what sort of reason they'd have for not wanting to do this, sadly - then that is every bit as worrying.
If it is a heavily negative influence, how has it gone on this long?
I must admit, I am happy these changes have taken place - better they happened than it dragged on even longer - but I do wonder, if Lambo was so in favour of binning them, how the fuck has it been allowed to go on so long?
If it is because Lambert just wasn't around or turned a blind eye to it, then that's a concern. Then again, if it is true that he tried to bin them ages ago, but the club wouldn't let him - and it is easy to guess what sort of reason they'd have for not wanting to do this, sadly - then that is every bit as worrying.
If it is a heavily negative influence, how has it gone on this long?
You do need grounds to sack people or be prepared to pay large compensation payouts. You can understand why they would see it as a last resort.
Is there a time frame in which the internal inquiries and subsequent hearing have to be held?That depends on whether or not they are suspended with/without pay. If it's with pay than it can go on as long as it suits the Employer. Without it has to be dealt with at the earliest possible opportunity.
Is there a time frame in which the internal inquiries and subsequent hearing have to be held?That depends on whether or not they are suspended with/without pay. If it's with pay than it can go on as long as it suits the Employer. Without it has to be dealt with at the earliest possible opportunity.
James Chester Road
Does anybody know when Culverhouse will be officially named as the new Norwich manager with Karsa as his Assistant Manager?
I think someone mentioned this yesterday, and it struck me then as a neat explanation as to why this matter has come to a head for both men at the same time.
It's very possible although I doubt it. I'm still swaying towards the player animosity theory. It would explain why we've been so inconsistently poor this season.
I'm sure it was me.That was me, and I can confirm that Duddeston station is a physical manifestation of a portal into the Fourth Dimension.Talking of train stations, does anyone actually get on or off at Duddeston?Not since 1972
I got off there by accident in 1972 and have been condemned ever since. Every time I go to Villa Park now all I can see before me are Cumbes, Aitken, Curtis, Gidman, Nicholl, Hamilton, McMahon, Rioch, Beard, Graydon , Little and Ross.
I must admit as a curse it's not too bad, but be warned......if you get off at Duddeston now you will relive this season for the rest of your life.
This stuff does not happen in organisations that are well managed and led. This tells you everything you need to know about what a mess the Club are in.
Maybe just maybe if the owner showed up occasionally, they didn't have an Account Manager as CEO or if they had a manager that knew what the fuck his staff were up to tis shit would not happen.
Steve Hodge Hill
I know I know I know
If its not been done a few times...The train you always miss...
Alexander Paddington-ev.
I think if you have 1 person at the top who knows what he is doing the rest will fall in to place regardless of titles. We have 3 who obviously don't.This stuff does not happen in organisations that are well managed and led. This tells you everything you need to know about what a mess the Club are in.
Maybe just maybe if the owner showed up occasionally, they didn't have an Account Manager as CEO or if they had a manager that knew what the fuck his staff were up to tis shit would not happen.
I really would like to be able to disagree with you. But I can't.
They are 2 people short at board level in terms of football nous. One of them should be a DoF type figure. Faulkner is learning football politics on the job. Not the same thing As this is merely feathering his own nest for the future.
Ian Bogie on the Leyton Orient Express.
If the papers are to be believed this morning and Lambert is planning to dispose of Sid and Shay...
Nursey page 80 Daily Mirror "Lambo makes Stark choice" Says and I quote "Lambert has temporarily promoted.....Gordon Cowans...and Shay Given".
Nursey page 80 Daily Mirror "Lambo makes Stark choice" Says and I quote "Lambert has temporarily promoted.....Gordon Cowans...and Shay Given".
Claridge will not stop using the word "of" instead of "have" in pursuit of his blokeiness. Luckily most of his attempts at what he regards as Punditspeak do not get transmitted as far as Perpignan.
woof woof!
woof!
Apparently Claridge and Carragher can have full conversations with each other within a 500 mile radius, just by screeching up to the sky.Claridge will not stop using the word "of" instead of "have" in pursuit of his blokeiness. Luckily most of his attempts at what he regards as Punditspeak do not get transmitted as far as Perpignan.
Fortunately, most of Claridge's high-pitched twattish whining can only be picked up by dogs and sophisticated acoustic tracking equipment.
"I really believe it is Villa down," Dowie told talkSPORT. "It is going to be very difficult for Paul. Ian Culverhouse did a lot of the coaching and now he isn't there.
"It will be something a little alien to Paul Lambert. I just wonder where the goals are going to come from."
Iain Dowie:Quote"I really believe it is Villa down," Dowie told talkSPORT. "It is going to be very difficult for Paul. Ian Culverhouse did a lot of the coaching and now he isn't there.
"It will be something a little alien to Paul Lambert. I just wonder where the goals are going to come from."
Iain Dowie:Quote"I really believe it is Villa down," Dowie told talkSPORT. "It is going to be very difficult for Paul. Ian Culverhouse did a lot of the coaching and now he isn't there.
"It will be something a little alien to Paul Lambert. I just wonder where the goals are going to come from."
Yeah, and he thought he was going to manage QPR on his own terms.
Iain Dowie:Quote"I really believe it is Villa down," Dowie told talkSPORT. "It is going to be very difficult for Paul. Ian Culverhouse did a lot of the coaching and now he isn't there.
"It will be something a little alien to Paul Lambert. I just wonder where the goals are going to come from."
Yeah, and he thought he was going to manage QPR on his own terms.
He has a point about the goals though.
Of all the things to hate about that 'Secret Footballer' schtick, the two worst for me are:
1. The veneer of ordinary-blokiness, hovering half way between Steve Claridge and Graeme le Saux
Steve Hodge HillWhere is the Hodge Hill station?
I know I know I know
Of all the things to hate about that 'Secret Footballer' schtick, the two worst for me are:
1. The veneer of ordinary-blokiness, hovering half way between Steve Claridge and Graeme le Saux
Witness his relating conversations where every line ends with "mate".
What a c*** hole.
Claridge will not stop using the word "of" instead of "have" in pursuit of his blokeiness. Luckily most of his attempts at what he regards as Punditspeak do not get transmitted as far as Perpignan.Punditry reached new depths when Danny Mills claimed during a recent commentary to be 'a little bit amazed'. I ask you. As for high pitched whining see Mark 'Lawro' Lawrenson, a legend in his own lunchtime and utterly insufferable in terms of lame ex-pro joshing and japing. The media merry-go-round of crap pundits with nothing of value to bring beyond the standard platitudes has to stop. When the camera pans in on the guest summarisers at the start of MOTD I feel I could weep when perming any 2 from Hansen, Savage, Mills, Lawrenson, Owen, the list goes on. And just when you thought matters couldn't get worse, cue bugalugs Lineker with his toe curling delivery and content, he's like a ham actor out of stage school playing at presenting. None of which regards the thread topic I know but I was moved to throw in my two penneth when reading Brian's quip about Claridge. PS. Garth Crooks should be an anagram of 'melodramatic balloon'.
Steve Hodge HillWhere is the Hodge Hill station?
I know I know I know
Claridge will not stop using the word "of" instead of "have" in pursuit of his blokeiness. Luckily most of his attempts at what he regards as Punditspeak do not get transmitted as far as Perpignan.Punditry reached new depths when Danny Mills claimed during a recent commentary to be 'a little bit amazed'. I ask you. As for high pitched whining see Mark 'Lawro' Lawrenson, a legend in his own lunchtime and utterly insufferable in terms of lame ex-pro joshing and japing. The media merry-go-round of crap pundits with nothing of value to bring beyond the standard platitudes has to stop. When the camera pans in on the guest summarisers at the start of MOTD I feel I could weep when perming any 2 from Hansen, Savage, Mills, Lawrenson, Owen, the list goes on. And just when you thought matters couldn't get worse, cue bugalugs Lineker with his toe curling delivery and content, he's like a ham actor out of stage school playing at presenting. None of which regards the thread topic I know but I was moved to throw in my two penneth when reading Brian's quip about Claridge. PS. Garth Crooks should be an anagram of 'melodramatic balloon'.
Nowhere. It's a very negative spin by poster based on 2+2 makes 5 ...no 10!If the papers are to be believed this morning and Lambert is planning to dispose of Sid and Shay...
Where's this, please?
PS. Garth Crooks should be an anagram of 'melodramatic balloon'.
We might need Tony Stark, a real iron man on the coaching staff...
Iain Dowie:Quote"I really believe it is Villa down," Dowie told talkSPORT. "It is going to be very difficult for Paul. Ian Culverhouse did a lot of the coaching and now he isn't there.
"It will be something a little alien to Paul Lambert. I just wonder where the goals are going to come from."
Where would you play her Paul? (supposing you have the 1982 version rather than how she is today)We might need Tony Stark, a real iron man on the coaching staff...
The way we are playing at the moment I would settle for Koo Stark.
In the hole?
We might need Tony Stark, a real iron man on the coaching staff...
The way we are playing at the moment I would settle for Koo Stark.
Claridge will not stop using the word "of" instead of "have" in pursuit of his blokeiness. Luckily most of his attempts at what he regards as Punditspeak do not get transmitted as far as Perpignan.Punditry reached new depths when Danny Mills claimed during a recent commentary to be 'a little bit amazed'. I ask you. As for high pitched whining see Mark 'Lawro' Lawrenson, a legend in his own lunchtime and utterly insufferable in terms of lame ex-pro joshing and japing. The media merry-go-round of crap pundits with nothing of value to bring beyond the standard platitudes has to stop. When the camera pans in on the guest summarisers at the start of MOTD I feel I could weep when perming any 2 from Hansen, Savage, Mills, Lawrenson, Owen, the list goes on. And just when you thought matters couldn't get worse, cue bugalugs Lineker with his toe curling delivery and content, he's like a ham actor out of stage school playing at presenting. None of which regards the thread topic I know but I was moved to throw in my two penneth when reading Brian's quip about Claridge. PS. Garth Crooks should be an anagram of 'melodramatic balloon'.
They sit there in their smart but casual shirts and nicely pressed trousers, fishing into the same big barrel of fucking cliches week in, week out, as that empty headed idiot Lineker eggs them on.
The BBC also persist in this belief that Robbie Savage is some kind of national treasure we all want to hear from, rather than an annoying prick 99% of football supporters would refuse to piss on, should they find him aflame.
Someone wrote an article recently in one of the broadsheets saying that there is a conveyor belt of bog-standard, unimpressive English managers on a gravy train from one hugely paid job to another, without actually achieving anything or innovating in any way. I thought that was spot on, but I'd also say it extends to pundits.
Does anyone - genuinely, anyone - in this country find themselves thinking "Can't wait to hear what Alan Shearer has to say about that!"? Or "That Michael Owen, he's absolutely nailed it there"?
There are two pundits worth listening to, in my opinion, Gary Neville and then - a fair way back - Roy Keane, and in the case of the latter, it's mostly only because he's so amusingly aggressive. The rest of them are truly dreadful. I'd happily have them led out of their studios and shot one after the other.
Apologies for crap use of quote.
The rest of them are truly dreadful. I'd happily have them led out of their studios and shot one after the other.
In the hole?
and Stark naked
Aston Villa’s internal investigation into suspended coaches Ian Culverhouse and Gary Karsa will be centred on allegations of bullying.
Their behaviour at the club’s Bodymoor Heath training ground is believed to have led to complaints being made by staff.
Culverhouse often takes over training from manager Paul Lambert and several players have grievances about his ‘aggressive’ methods.
Fabian Delph is understood to have been upset during a session in the week before the Fulham defeat, although his absence for that 2-1 loss was down to an achilles injury.
Reports also suggest Gabriel Agbonlahor has been left disappointed but his omission from the Fulham team was explained by illness.
Both returned to the starting line-up for the 1-0 defeat at Selhurst Park.
Despite the club’s official statement indicating they have only been suspended, it is understood assistant manager Culverhouse and head of footballing operations Karsa have no future at the club. They each have a year remaining on deals but if found guilty of serious misconduct could be sacked without a pay-off.
The atmosphere at Villa’s training ground has been described as ‘poisonous’ and Culverhouse is said to have fallen out with other members of the backroom team and senior players. He also exchanged angry words with fans after the Boxing Day defeat by Palace at Villa Park.
Karsa is said to have had a turbulent relationship with members of staff at Villa, too and the pair were suspended by chief executive Paul Faulkner after Lambert decided the make-up of his coaching team was no longer fit for purpose.
Training this week has been described as having ‘the best atmosphere in ages’ in the duo’s absence.
Previously, some players were said to be confused by an insistence on long-ball tactics during sessions, while the schedule has been regularly fairly light. The first team were given both Sunday and Monday off after defeats by Fulham and Crystal Palace.
A full staff meeting planned for Thursday should allow for complaints to be aired publicly.
Lambert took the astonishing step of ending his six-year association with trusted aide Culverhouse on Tuesday after a complete breakdown in the pair’s relationship.
Sportsmail understands the move by Lambert came after a heated exchange in the dressing room following Saturday’s defeat at Palace.
Lambert’s working relationship with Culverhouse is said to have deteriorated so much that the pair have hardly spoken in recent weeks, causing disruption to Villa’s preparation for games.
Many Villa fans have been vocal in their desire to see the manager gone too, with chants of ‘We want Lambert out’ aired loudly during the loss at Selhurst Park on Saturday. But the Scot’s position is understood to be secure and he retains the backing of owner Randy Lerner.
However talks on a new three-year contract have been put on hold until the end of the season. His current deal expires at the end of next season.
Lambert and Culverhouse first joined forces at Colchester in 2008, before leaving for Norwich City in 2009 and steering the Canaries into the top flight. Their success persuaded Villa owner Lerner to appoint them after sacking Alex McLeish in 2012.
Villa have promoted former player and crowd favourite Gordon Cowans, 55, and goalkeeper Shay Given, 37, to assist Lambert while the club carry out their investigation.
It is quite some turnaround for Given, who has been left out of matchday squads and admitted in February that ‘Aston Villa want me out of the door.’ The Republic of Ireland keeper has been taking his coaching badges and is respected by players.
The club hope the change in key staff will raise morale and ensure a positive result from the important match against Southampton at Villa Park on Saturday.
Lambert said: ‘I’m delighted to have Gordon and Shay to assist me in preparing the team for Saturday (against Southampton), which is what the whole group is focused on.’
The breakdown in relations between Lambert and Culverhouse has coincided with a dreadful run for the club that has seen them slip closer to the relegation zone.
Villa have picked up just seven points from a possible 30 and are currently on a run of four defeats.
European Cup winner Cowans said: ‘The manager has asked me to step up to assist him at this time and I’ll do my utmost for the club and the manager in helping prepare the team for Saturday’s game.’
Given added: ‘As players, it’s important that each and every one of us take responsibility right now and I’m delighted to play my part in helping the manager and the team go and try to win on Saturday.’
Where would you play her Paul? (supposing you have the 1982 version rather than how she is today)We might need Tony Stark, a real iron man on the coaching staff...
The way we are playing at the moment I would settle for Koo Stark.
He doesn't come out of that particularly well if true, have to say. Either he sanctions the long-ball training, in which case there's no hope for him, or he didn't know it was going on, in which case what on earth are we paying him for? If the latter, hopefully he'll have learnt his lesson, and there may be some chance of him succeeding yet.
I can just imagine on match day Lambert watching another ball belted down the middle at Benteke looking down at his notes and thinking, "I didn't tell Culverhouse that was the tactic for the week".
Cough > MON > Lambert
Don't they all follow the same model of leaving training to others, see you Saturday type scenario??
O'Neill was hardly ever on the training ground. A lot of managers aren't these days. There's a theory that familiarity breeds contempt so they keep their distance to have maximum impact on match day. That's the theory anyway.
I'm prepared to give him until the end of the season. The minimum requirement is a better places finish than last season otherwise it is failure as far as I am concerned. I still maintain he is out of his depth at this level. Can you imagine BFR allowing this carnage.
I'm prepared to give him until the end of the season. The minimum requirement is a better places finish than last season otherwise it is failure as far as I am concerned. I still maintain he is out of his depth at this level. Can you imagine BFR allowing this carnage.
Considering we managed, I think, 38 points and 9 wins from the last 40 league games BFR was in charge and had 10 points after 14 games and were on a run of 1 point from 9 games when he went I don't think it's too hard to imagine.
I remember when we were all up in arms that Atkinson spent the summer in the US covering the World Cup with ITV. He said he was watching some of the best players in the world and hinted this would influence our signings.
Then he came back and signed John Fucking Fashanu.
I'm prepared to give him until the end of the season. The minimum requirement is a better places finish than last season otherwise it is failure as far as I am concerned. I still maintain he is out of his depth at this level. Can you imagine BFR allowing this carnage.
For me we need to finish on 42 points minimum for Lambert to be remotely worth keeping his job another year. We could at least then say we've improved, if only marginally.I'm prepared to give him until the end of the season. The minimum requirement is a better places finish than last season otherwise it is failure as far as I am concerned. I still maintain he is out of his depth at this level. Can you imagine BFR allowing this carnage.
Aside from whether or not we get relegated it would be daft to base a decision on our manager for next season on whether we finish fifteenth or not. That could turn on one point
I remember when we were all up in arms that Atkinson spent the summer in the US covering the World Cup with ITV. He said he was watching some of the best players in the world and hinted this would influence our signings.
Then he came back and signed John Fucking Fashanu.
O'Neill was hardly ever on the training ground. A lot of managers aren't these days. There's a theory that familiarity breeds contempt so they keep their distance to have maximum impact on match day. That's the theory anyway.
Actually the opposite is the case - it's a really old-fashioned thing to do, based on the days when the manager ran absolutely everything in the club. Now, with the continental coach style more fashionable, most managers spend a very long time at least involved in planning training, and many are permanent fixtures there. I remember Iniesta saying how Pep was always the first there and the last out.
O'Neill was hardly ever on the training ground. A lot of managers aren't these days. There's a theory that familiarity breeds contempt so they keep their distance to have maximum impact on match day. That's the theory anyway.
Actually the opposite is the case - it's a really old-fashioned thing to do, based on the days when the manager ran absolutely everything in the club. Now, with the continental coach style more fashionable, most managers spend a very long time at least involved in planning training, and many are permanent fixtures there. I remember Iniesta saying how Pep was always the first there and the last out.
Sort of reminds of something I read about a "coaching philosophy" from the 20s where a certain school of thought maintained that players shouldn't train with the ball during the week to make them hungrier to do something with it on Saturdays.
O'Neill was hardly ever on the training ground. A lot of managers aren't these days. There's a theory that familiarity breeds contempt so they keep their distance to have maximum impact on match day. That's the theory anyway.
Actually the opposite is the case - it's a really old-fashioned thing to do, based on the days when the manager ran absolutely everything in the club. Now, with the continental coach style more fashionable, most managers spend a very long time at least involved in planning training, and many are permanent fixtures there. I remember Iniesta saying how Pep was always the first there and the last out.
Sort of reminds of something I read about a "coaching philosophy" from the 20s where a certain school of thought maintained that players shouldn't train with the ball during the week to make them hungrier to do something with it on Saturdays.
Danny Blanchflower still spoke of that in the fifties.
I'm prepared to give him until the end of the season. The minimum requirement is a better places finish than last season otherwise it is failure as far as I am concerned. I still maintain he is out of his depth at this level. Can you imagine BFR allowing this carnage.
Considering we managed, I think, 38 points and 9 wins from the last 40 league games BFR was in charge and had 10 points after 14 games and were on a run of 1 point from 9 games when he went I don't think it's too hard to imagine.
He lost his way too many old players together. But he had respect and discipline about the place and as someone said earlier he took risks. And I can't recall a better brand of football during my time supporting the club. I'd rather focus on the mostly enjoyable time I had watching that team.
I'm prepared to give him until the end of the season. The minimum requirement is a better places finish than last season otherwise it is failure as far as I am concerned. I still maintain he is out of his depth at this level. Can you imagine BFR allowing this carnage.
Considering we managed, I think, 38 points and 9 wins from the last 40 league games BFR was in charge and had 10 points after 14 games and were on a run of 1 point from 9 games when he went I don't think it's too hard to imagine.
He lost his way too many old players together. But he had respect and discipline about the place and as someone said earlier he took risks. And I can't recall a better brand of football during my time supporting the club. I'd rather focus on the mostly enjoyable time I had watching that team.
Discipline?
You're dead wrong there. The reason things turned sour for Big Ron was that he was too lax. These references to Clough/MON not being at training... going from various Villa books BFR was barely at Villa Park or training at all apart from matchdays.
I remember when Little took over one of the things he had to sort out was the lack of professionalism in training, which led to getting rid of the older players like Saunders and Dalian who essentially did fuck all but lark about.
I'm prepared to give him until the end of the season. The minimum requirement is a better places finish than last season otherwise it is failure as far as I am concerned. I still maintain he is out of his depth at this level. Can you imagine BFR allowing this carnage.
Considering we managed, I think, 38 points and 9 wins from the last 40 league games BFR was in charge and had 10 points after 14 games and were on a run of 1 point from 9 games when he went I don't think it's too hard to imagine.
He lost his way too many old players together. But he had respect and discipline about the place and as someone said earlier he took risks. And I can't recall a better brand of football during my time supporting the club. I'd rather focus on the mostly enjoyable time I had watching that team.
Discipline?
You're dead wrong there. The reason things turned sour for Big Ron was that he was too lax. These references to Clough/MON not being at training... going from various Villa books BFR was barely at Villa Park or training at all apart from matchdays.
I remember when Little took over one of the things he had to sort out was the lack of professionalism in training, which led to getting rid of the older players like Saunders and Dalian who essentially did fuck all but lark about.
You're right I'm dead wrong BFR was absolutely shit. So glad we've got a decent team and look forward with unmitigated excitement to watching them every week.
I'm prepared to give him until the end of the season. The minimum requirement is a better places finish than last season otherwise it is failure as far as I am concerned. I still maintain he is out of his depth at this level. Can you imagine BFR allowing this carnage.
Considering we managed, I think, 38 points and 9 wins from the last 40 league games BFR was in charge and had 10 points after 14 games and were on a run of 1 point from 9 games when he went I don't think it's too hard to imagine.
He lost his way too many old players together. But he had respect and discipline about the place and as someone said earlier he took risks. And I can't recall a better brand of football during my time supporting the club. I'd rather focus on the mostly enjoyable time I had watching that team.
Discipline?
You're dead wrong there. The reason things turned sour for Big Ron was that he was too lax. These references to Clough/MON not being at training... going from various Villa books BFR was barely at Villa Park or training at all apart from matchdays.
I remember when Little took over one of the things he had to sort out was the lack of professionalism in training, which led to getting rid of the older players like Saunders and Dalian who essentially did fuck all but lark about.
You're right I'm dead wrong BFR was absolutely shit. So glad we've got a decent team and look forward with unmitigated excitement to watching them every week.
I said you were dead wrong about Big Ron being disciplined.
I'm prepared to give him until the end of the season. The minimum requirement is a better places finish than last season otherwise it is failure as far as I am concerned. I still maintain he is out of his depth at this level. Can you imagine BFR allowing this carnage.
Considering we managed, I think, 38 points and 9 wins from the last 40 league games BFR was in charge and had 10 points after 14 games and were on a run of 1 point from 9 games when he went I don't think it's too hard to imagine.
He lost his way too many old players together. But he had respect and discipline about the place and as someone said earlier he took risks. And I can't recall a better brand of football during my time supporting the club. I'd rather focus on the mostly enjoyable time I had watching that team.
Discipline?
You're dead wrong there. The reason things turned sour for Big Ron was that he was too lax. These references to Clough/MON not being at training... going from various Villa books BFR was barely at Villa Park or training at all apart from matchdays.
I remember when Little took over one of the things he had to sort out was the lack of professionalism in training, which led to getting rid of the older players like Saunders and Dalian who essentially did fuck all but lark about.
You're right I'm dead wrong BFR was absolutely shit. So glad we've got a decent team and look forward with unmitigated excitement to watching them every week.
I said you were dead wrong about Big Ron being disciplined.
And I admitted you were right and I was dead wrong. I've seen the light.
I remember when we were all up in arms that Atkinson spent the summer in the US covering the World Cup with ITV. He said he was watching some of the best players in the world and hinted this would influence our signings.
Then he came back and signed John Fucking Fashanu.
BFR and others of his ilk like El Tel were primarily interested in one thing, money. Wasnt Venables appointment at Leeds delayed because he was doing a TV program in Spain or something? BFR could have been really good but didnt work hard enough. A nearly man at United and Villa. Ferguson in comparison worked his balls off to make a success of Man United and was adaptable to change. The arm around the shoulder management only takes you so far.
MON while not having the money motivation that the likes of Venables had, also ultimately fell short as a manager due to his laziness too imo. Some of the stories you hear about the end of his time at Sunderland and what the likes of Walford were up to on the training ground are comical.
It's only based on what I read in 'The Damned United' but Brian Clough's megalomania was an advantage in the early days. He assumed responsibility for everything at the club and was extremely exacting.
No need for veiled insults Bobby.
Do I recall correctly BFR chasing Dalian into the shower and physically assaulting him one time (maybe an urban myth) - he had discipline. As regards Paul Mortimer, I believe he turfed him out over some disciplinary matter or other.
I would rather look upon BFR's time here with fondness rather than admittedly a poor ending. At least we had good times, decent football, unlike the complete dross that has been served up under this regime, the one before it and the one before that.
No need for veiled insults Bobby.
Do I recall correctly BFR chasing Dalian into the shower and physically assaulting him one time (maybe an urban myth) - he had discipline. As regards Paul Mortimer, I believe he turfed him out over some disciplinary matter or other.
I would rather look upon BFR's time here with fondness rather than admittedly a poor ending. At least we had good times, decent football, unlike the complete dross that has been served up under this regime, the one before it and the one before that.
Agree- the football was fantastic.
However wasn't it Ron who suggested 2 Villa players 'failed' drugs tests during his reign. Not exaclty disciplined. Like him flying out to commentate on Manure's hammering in Nou Camp the day after we embarrasingly lost to Trabzaonspor.
It's only based on what I read in 'The Damned United' but Brian Clough's megalomania was an advantage in the early days. He assumed responsibility for everything at the club and was extremely exacting.
..and was ultimately responsible for presiding over the farcical Forest relegation without anyone having the balls to stand up to him.
It's only based on what I read in 'The Damned United' but Brian Clough's megalomania was an advantage in the early days. He assumed responsibility for everything at the club and was extremely exacting.
..and was ultimately responsible for presiding over the farcical Forest relegation without anyone having the balls to stand up to him.
It takes a special kind of miseryguts to, when appraising Brian Clough's time at Forest, focus on the relegation in 1992!
It's only based on what I read in 'The Damned United' but Brian Clough's megalomania was an advantage in the early days. He assumed responsibility for everything at the club and was extremely exacting.
..and was ultimately responsible for presiding over the farcical Forest relegation without anyone having the balls to stand up to him.
It takes a special kind of miseryguts to, when appraising Brian Clough's time at Forest, focus on the relegation in 1992!
It's only based on what I read in 'The Damned United' but Brian Clough's megalomania was an advantage in the early days. He assumed responsibility for everything at the club and was extremely exacting.
..and was ultimately responsible for presiding over the farcical Forest relegation without anyone having the balls to stand up to him.
It takes a special kind of miseryguts to, when appraising Brian Clough's time at Forest, focus on the relegation in 1992!
The Forest relegation came out of nowhere and caught everyone at the club by surprise. In the previous four seasons they had finished in good league positions and reached a cup final each year, winning two of them.
It's only based on what I read in 'The Damned United' but Brian Clough's megalomania was an advantage in the early days. He assumed responsibility for everything at the club and was extremely exacting.
..and was ultimately responsible for presiding over the farcical Forest relegation without anyone having the balls to stand up to him.
It takes a special kind of miseryguts to, when appraising Brian Clough's time at Forest, focus on the relegation in 1992!
The Forest relegation came out of nowhere and caught everyone at the club by surprise. In the previous four seasons they had finished in good league positions and reached a cup final each year, winning two of them.
Weren't they the original "too good to go down" club?
Yep, one of our homegrown youngsters got a game.
Although we still struggled to get a throw-in anywhere near the receiving player's feet...
The police were called in to investigate after senior members of staff started suspecting some of their colleagues were regularly using class-A drugs inside the stadium. The allegations go to the top of the club and involve at least one high-profile figure with a considerable reputation within the sport.
On one occasion, two prominent officials were allegedly caught snorting cocaine in the boardroom of a rival club during an away fixture.
Although we still struggled to get a throw-in anywhere near the receiving player's feet...
Our throw-ins are really bad. There's been a lot of foul throws this season, and we never seem to be organised enough to take a quick one, and it continually breaks down any momentum we've built up. Also, within three touches the ball is usually back with the opposition anyway.
The police were called in to investigate after senior members of staff started suspecting some of their colleagues were regularly using class-A drugs inside the stadium. The allegations go to the top of the club and involve at least one high-profile figure with a considerable reputation within the sport.
On one occasion, two prominent officials were allegedly caught snorting cocaine in the boardroom of a rival club during an away fixture.
Well that rules us out. We don't have any prominent officials, and none of our figures are high-profile or have any reputation in the sport.
There is this in The Guardian tomorrow. I didnt know which thread to put it on.
A major football club in England has been rocked by a drugs scandal that has gone as far as the police and the English authorities, the Observer can reveal.
The police were called in to investigate after senior members of staff started suspecting some of their colleagues were regularly using class-A drugs inside the stadium. The allegations go to the top of the club and involve at least one high-profile figure with a considerable reputation within the sport.
On one occasion, two prominent officials were allegedly caught snorting cocaine in the boardroom of a rival club during an away fixture. Rumours of the incident have spread among other clubs in the same division. Officials of the league in question have been made aware and are treating it as a first within the sport.
However, there are people at the relevant club who are concerned it may be more a more widespread problem than just the one case. At a home match, one member of the club's hierarchy became concerned when he noticed the residue of a white powder on the clothing of a colleague as he took his seat.
The club cannot be named for legal reasons but a high-ranking source has confirmed that internal inquiries began "following allegations that hard drugs were being consumed by certain people on the premises".
He added: "The police have been informed, as have the relevant league, so it is now a matter for the police to find out if there is a case to answer."
It's only based on what I read in 'The Damned United' but Brian Clough's megalomania was an advantage in the early days. He assumed responsibility for everything at the club and was extremely exacting.
..and was ultimately responsible for presiding over the farcical Forest relegation without anyone having the balls to stand up to him.
It takes a special kind of miseryguts to, when appraising Brian Clough's time at Forest, focus on the relegation in 1992!
And I did qualify my remark with 'in the early days'.
The passage of time is important. One of my favourite villa experiences was BFR's first game at Hillsborough. One off least favourite was losing to Wimbledon. Clough won the European Cup twice and also featured in a Viz cartoon, having fallen asleep, pissed, in a field. The glory and the farce are part of the same story.
There is this in The Guardian tomorrow. I didnt know which thread to put it on.At a home match, one member of the club's hierarchy became concerned when he noticed the residue of a white powder on the clothing of a colleague as he took his seat
A major football club in England has been rocked by a drugs scandal that has gone as far as the police and the English authorities, the Observer can reveal.
The police were called in to investigate after senior members of staff started suspecting some of their colleagues were regularly using class-A drugs inside the stadium. The allegations go to the top of the club and involve at least one high-profile figure with a considerable reputation within the sport.
On one occasion, two prominent officials were allegedly caught snorting cocaine in the boardroom of a rival club during an away fixture. Rumours of the incident have spread among other clubs in the same division. Officials of the league in question have been made aware and are treating it as a first within the sport.
However, there are people at the relevant club who are concerned it may be more a more widespread problem than just the one case. At a home match, one member of the club's hierarchy became concerned when he noticed the residue of a white powder on the clothing of a colleague as he took his seat.
The club cannot be named for legal reasons but a high-ranking source has confirmed that internal inquiries began "following allegations that hard drugs were being consumed by certain people on the premises".
He added: "The police have been informed, as have the relevant league, so it is now a matter for the police to find out if there is a case to answer."
The police were called in to investigate after senior members of staff started suspecting some of their colleagues were regularly using class-A drugs inside the stadium. The allegations go to the top of the club and involve at least one high-profile figure with a considerable reputation within the sport.
On one occasion, two prominent officials were allegedly caught snorting cocaine in the boardroom of a rival club during an away fixture.
Well that rules us out. We don't have any prominent officials, and none of our figures are high-profile or have any reputation in the sport.
It's only based on what I read in 'The Damned United' but Brian Clough's megalomania was an advantage in the early days. He assumed responsibility for everything at the club and was extremely exacting.
..and was ultimately responsible for presiding over the farcical Forest relegation without anyone having the balls to stand up to him.
It takes a special kind of miseryguts to, when appraising Brian Clough's time at Forest, focus on the relegation in 1992!
And I did qualify my remark with 'in the early days'.
The passage of time is important. One of my favourite villa experiences was BFR's first game at Hillsborough. One off least favourite was losing to Wimbledon. Clough won the European Cup twice and also featured in a Viz cartoon, having fallen asleep, pissed, in a field. The glory and the farce are part of the same story.
Sorry, Damon, I was talking more to brontebilly.
But, as I'm here, I once fell in a silo of sheep shit and still managed to horn the mother of a sniper in the same week, so I agree.
I think the paper would have mentioned it if it had been premier league rather than just a "major club".
'Horn the mother of a sniper' sounds like a Norwegian colloquialism that's been fed through Google translate.
I once saw the daughter of the Bishop of Pontefract with no clothes on, and got bitten by Lorraine Chase's dog on the same day.
As that news was breaking, former Dundalk striker Michael Rafter – a player under Culverhouse and Karsa whilst at Colchester – had given credence to the claims, tweeting: “Not surprised to hear what’s going on at Villa, happened in Colchester too #Gangsters”. When I pressed the current Cork City striker to elaborate on what had happened him there he declined, preferring to keep his counsel but it is apparent the pair have got previous for this sort of behaviour.
I can't see Them working together again to be honest TomProbably not if Telegraphs rumours that Lambo and Culverhouse came to a head are true.
I can't see Them workingtogetheragain to be honest Tom
I can't see Them working together again to be honest Tom
I can't see Them working together again to be honest Tom
I guess it depends on the outcome of the HR investigation - wonder if the 'victim(s)' are going to take it to employment tribunal.
All speculation anyway, nobody will naturally talk to the media about it.
I can't see Them working together again to be honest Tom
I guess it depends on the outcome of the HR investigation - wonder if the 'victim(s)' are going to take it to employment tribunal.
All speculation anyway, nobody will naturally talk to the media about it.
They haven't got long enough service to take it to an Employment Tribunal - for Unfair Dismissal at least.
Just reading, they reckon on VT that the post known as HairyHands on there who used to leak stuff was in fact Karsa.
Just reading, they reckon on VT that the post known as HairyHands on there who used to leak stuff was in fact Karsa.
I thought he had been there longer then 2 years.
After 4 years of shit managers, arsehole coaches, parasite players, brawls, M.I.A boardroom, signing shite nobodies, repetitive home defeats, bad records broken, few goals and relegation battles,wouldn't it be nice to have a new chairman, an upbeat respected manager and sign a few players we've semi heard of to get us excited again.
Just reading, they reckon on VT that the post known as HairyHands on there who used to leak stuff was in fact Karsa.
Just reading, they reckon on VT that the post known as HairyHands on there who used to leak stuff was in fact Karsa.
I thought he had been there longer then 2 years.
Just reading, they reckon on VT that the post known as HairyHands on there who used to leak stuff was in fact Karsa.
I thought he had been there longer then 2 years.
At the time he was posting on the site I looked at his details and he registered December 2012.
So Karsa's job was to be a c*** and talk on messageboards? I can do that.
So Karsa's job was to be a c*** and talk on messageboards? I can do that.
Some people can do both at the same timeSo Karsa's job was to be a c*** and talk on messageboards? I can do that.
Some people can do both at the same time
I'm proud to be multi talented.
Is Karsa really Lambert's brother-in-law? Just skimming another thread and someone posted that.
Over one month later and in true Aston Villa style... absolutely nothing said!
Are we supposed to just forget that it ever happened?
Anybody know who is in charge of HR at Villa Park? I have worked in HR and can assure you that matters like this are dealt with as soon as all the evidence has been throughly scrutinised. It's about time the clubs PR boys/girls issued a statement regarding their future.
Or will it all be hushed up as the resulting publicity may be harmful to the club?
Anybody know who is in charge of HR at Villa Park? I have worked in HR and can assure you that matters like this are dealt with as soon as all the evidence has been throughly scrutinised. It's about time the clubs PR boys/girls issued a statement regarding their future.
Or will it all be hushed up as the resulting publicity may be harmful to the club?
I don't think you can really apply the standard rules of HR to football. It's a fantasy world where the inexplicable is invariably going on.
I suspect whoever has been wronged has been offered what would have been handed out at a employment tribunal (and some) to keep stum.
Like a poster above said, it will be swept under carpet for the good of the club (or the sale)
I suspect whoever has been wronged has been offered what would have been handed out at a employment tribunal (and some) to keep stum.
Like a poster above said, it will be swept under carpet for the good of the club (or the sale)
Yes a very American way of doing things. I know first hand from managing within American owned companies.
Karsa has been dismissed. Culverhouse is expected to follow. ITK
Could always get Gary Macca in. He's got the best win percentage of any Villa manager since Noah was a lad.
Will we be able to replace them though? For all our love of Sid, he has been a first team coach under Houlier and McLeish and now for four matches under Lambert and we certainly haven't seen any massive leaps in first team performances during this time. I realise this coincides with poor managers and poor directors but can we take the chance on someone who has so little coaching experience at first team. And Given is even greener at this coaching level.
Karsa has been dismissed. Culverhouse is expected to follow. ITK
Shouldn't be if it's gross misconduct . Then again this is HMS Aston Villa , a ship broken free from it's moorings and drifting towards a storm of biblical proportionsKarsa has been dismissed. Culverhouse is expected to follow. ITK
Both signing a compromise agreement and walking off into the sunset with some hefty wedge in their back pockets !!
Compromise Agreements have been replaced by Settlement Agreements - http://careers.theguardian.com/settlement-agreements-employees-need-to-know
I don't think there's anything particularly unusual about any organisation using them; sometimes you have to weigh up the angst of dismissing someone, a possible ET etc against the convenience of getting rid of someone quickly in a relatively pain free.
Sacked
Brendan McLoughlin @bren_mcloughlin 1m
Ian Culverhouse dismissed by #avfc and follows Gary Karsa out of the exit door. Paul Lambert now stepping up search for new backroom staff
Sacked
Brendan McLoughlin @bren_mcloughlin 1m
Ian Culverhouse dismissed by #avfc and follows Gary Karsa out of the exit door. Paul Lambert now stepping up search for new backroom staff
I'd be a bit nervous if Lambert employed 2 new assistants.
Have those been confirmed by the club or just in twitter by journos?
Compromise Agreements have been replaced by Settlement Agreements - http://careers.theguardian.com/settlement-agreements-employees-need-to-know
I don't think there's anything particularly unusual about any organisation using them; sometimes you have to weigh up the angst of dismissing someone, a possible ET etc against the convenience of getting rid of someone quickly in a relatively pain free.
It's an improvement to be fair. At least "to me, to you" implies passing the ball. That's a good start right from the off.Sacked
Brendan McLoughlin @bren_mcloughlin 1m
Ian Culverhouse dismissed by #avfc and follows Gary Karsa out of the exit door. Paul Lambert now stepping up search for new backroom staff
I'd be a bit nervous if Lambert employed 2 new assistants.
What could possibly go wrong?
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Do we know why they were sacked yet ?
Could always get Gary Macca in. He's got the best win percentage of any Villa manager since Noah was a lad.
Compromise Agreements have been replaced by Settlement Agreements - http://careers.theguardian.com/settlement-agreements-employees-need-to-know
I don't think there's anything particularly unusual about any organisation using them; sometimes you have to weigh up the angst of dismissing someone, a possible ET etc against the convenience of getting rid of someone quickly in a relatively pain free.
If it's misconduct why the need for any settlement baring in mind they've only been with the club less than 2 years? I know football works differently but if they've behaved in a way that got them suspended and after inquest resulted in sacking why would the club need to compromise with I assume some sort of pay off?
Sacked
Brendan McLoughlin @bren_mcloughlin 1m
Ian Culverhouse dismissed by #avfc and follows Gary Karsa out of the exit door. Paul Lambert now stepping up search for new backroom staff
I'd be a bit nervous if Lambert employed 2 new assistants.
What could possibly go wrong?
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Compromise Agreements have been replaced by Settlement Agreements - http://careers.theguardian.com/settlement-agreements-employees-need-to-know
I don't think there's anything particularly unusual about any organisation using them; sometimes you have to weigh up the angst of dismissing someone, a possible ET etc against the convenience of getting rid of someone quickly in a relatively pain free.
If it's misconduct why the need for any settlement baring in mind they've only been with the club less than 2 years? I know football works differently but if they've behaved in a way that got them suspended and after inquest resulted in sacking why would the club need to compromise with I assume some sort of pay off?
If they're on fixed term contracts they could still have hefty breach of contract claims for the balance of their notice if a Court didn't think gross misconduct was proved, so there would be some benefit to the club in buying off that potential risk. It also potentially assists in terms of upholding confidentiality and any restrictive covenants.
How as Lambert got away with this?
Very strange.
The sackings are breaking news on the Sky Sports yellow bar now.
Compromise Agreements have been replaced by Settlement Agreements - http://careers.theguardian.com/settlement-agreements-employees-need-to-know
I don't think there's anything particularly unusual about any organisation using them; sometimes you have to weigh up the angst of dismissing someone, a possible ET etc against the convenience of getting rid of someone quickly in a relatively pain free.
If it's misconduct why the need for any settlement baring in mind they've only been with the club less than 2 years? I know football works differently but if they've behaved in a way that got them suspended and after inquest resulted in sacking why would the club need to compromise with I assume some sort of pay off?
If they're on fixed term contracts they could still have hefty breach of contract claims for the balance of their notice if a Court didn't think gross misconduct was proved, so there would be some benefit to the club in buying off that potential risk. It also potentially assists in terms of upholding confidentiality and any restrictive covenants.
I remember a movie about restrictive covenants where the nuns went on a carnal rampage and were visited by the inquisition who burned half of them and buried the other half in the walls of the covenant itself. It was ghastly and quite put me off the idea of the monastic life.
Be that as it may, the upshot of all this is that we the fans will be left moldering inn the dank darkness with not a glimmer of the luminous light of the truth.
The incident happened in the lead up to the Fulham game and if you remember Gabby and Delph were not even in the squad for the Fulham game, initially they were punished but eventually the real instigators were suspended, I will ask my friend if he can give me the name of the guy who knows Gordon Cowans, its just what ive been told so thought I would pass it on to H@V
Compromise Agreements have been replaced by Settlement Agreements - http://careers.theguardian.com/settlement-agreements-employees-need-to-know
I don't think there's anything particularly unusual about any organisation using them; sometimes you have to weigh up the angst of dismissing someone, a possible ET etc against the convenience of getting rid of someone quickly in a relatively pain free.
If it's misconduct why the need for any settlement baring in mind they've only been with the club less than 2 years? I know football works differently but if they've behaved in a way that got them suspended and after inquest resulted in sacking why would the club need to compromise with I assume some sort of pay off?
If they're on fixed term contracts they could still have hefty breach of contract claims for the balance of their notice if a Court didn't think gross misconduct was proved, so there would be some benefit to the club in buying off that potential risk. It also potentially assists in terms of upholding confidentiality and any restrictive covenants.
I remember a movie about restrictive covenants where the nuns went on a carnal rampage and were visited by the inquisition who burned half of them and buried the other half in the walls of the covenant itself. It was ghastly and quite put me off the idea of the monastic life.
Be that as it may, the upshot of all this is that we the fans will be left moldering inn the dank darkness with not a glimmer of the luminous light of the truth.
I may be mistaken, but I have a vague suspicion we may be ever so slightly at cross purposes here!
The incident happened in the lead up to the Fulham game and if you remember Gabby and Delph were not even in the squad for the Fulham game, initially they were punished but eventually the real instigators were suspended, I will ask my friend if he can give me the name of the guy who knows Gordon Cowans, its just what ive been told so thought I would pass it on to H@V
Slow day surely!The sackings are breaking news on the Sky Sports yellow bar now.
Good to see Sky sources have their finger on the pulse.
I dont claim for one minute to be in the know but a mate of mine at work knows an ex football man who knows Gordon Cowans who gave him this info, Gordon said Culverhouse made the tackle in training that caused Benteke's long term injury, Gordon then had a go at Culverhouse about it who got very aggressive, Gabby and Fabian got involved against Culverhouse which led to Karsa diving in, this led to a full on fight which eventually led to the club suspensions.
I thought it was reported, on here I think, that the injury to Benteke was just one of those unfortunate injuries that happened when no one was anywhere near him. It may also be that; that is the official line being put out by the club. Cover up and all that.
I thought it was reported, on here I think, that the injury to Benteke was just one of those unfortunate injuries that happened when no one was anywhere near him. It may also be that; that is the official line being put out by the club. Cover up and all that.
It is a good point, it is hard to imagine a tackle rupturing an achilles, it is snap more than an impact. Horrible though.
Now these 2 have gone (was Karsa ever a footballer?) you have to hope we recruit a couple of really good coaches to replace them that will move the side forward. Watching Derby you can see how McLaren has got them working the ball. A coach that has that mentality would be nice.
The incident happened in the lead up to the Fulham game and if you remember Gabby and Delph were not even in the squad for the Fulham game, initially they were punished but eventually the real instigators were suspended, I will ask my friend if he can give me the name of the guy who knows Gordon Cowans, its just what ive been told so thought I would pass it on to H@V
I heard something completely different, supposedly coming from someone close to Cowans, which means either your source or mine is talking out of their arse.
To be fair, it's probably both.
Dont think Kevin MacDonald is working at the mo. Might be worth giving him a call.Maybe, might be an interesting combination
Dont think Kevin MacDonald is working at the mo. Might be worth giving him a call.Maybe, might be an interesting combination
Torn or snapped ? Official line or truth ?I thought it was reported, on here I think, that the injury to Benteke was just one of those unfortunate injuries that happened when no one was anywhere near him. It may also be that; that is the official line being put out by the club. Cover up and all that.
Torn Achilles is not an impact injury, so I doubt its true.
Torn or snapped ? Official line or truth ?I thought it was reported, on here I think, that the injury to Benteke was just one of those unfortunate injuries that happened when no one was anywhere near him. It may also be that; that is the official line being put out by the club. Cover up and all that.
Torn Achilles is not an impact injury, so I doubt its true.
You might want to delete the quote on page 61 too then Dave
It's all speculation , can people not speculate ? Nobody is saying it's fact
Ok noted but I thought I'd been positive with my thoughts in the transfer thread. Your train set so noted.It's all speculation , can people not speculate ? Nobody is saying it's fact
It gets a bit boring when everything has to be the worst possible scenario leading to the worst possible scenario, otherwise the club 'must' be telling lies.
If lambert os sticking around (which I strongly doubt) he could do worse than get mike Phelan and Steve Clarke on board. Both grata coaches/assistant managersYep. Perhaps either or both could be tempted on a temporary basis, kind of like Shteeve at QPR earlier in the season. If another job comes along, or the takeover happens then they can move on. It could be a good gap filler.
If lambert os sticking around (which I strongly doubt) he could do worse than get mike Phelan and Steve Clarke on board. Both grata coaches/assistant managers
If anyone wants us, and them, sued, carry on posting what has just had to be deleted on here.
I dont claim for one minute to be in the know but a mate of mine at work knows an ex football man who knows Gordon Cowans who gave him this info, Gordon said Culverhouse made the tackle in training that caused Benteke's long term injury, Gordon then had a go at Culverhouse about it who got very aggressive, Gabby and Fabian got involved against Culverhouse which led to Karsa diving in, this led to a full on fight which eventually led to the club suspensions.I didn't think Sid was working with the first team when this happened, so why would he have been in a position to get involved?
I dont claim for one minute to be in the know but a mate of mine at work knows an ex football man who knows Gordon Cowans who gave him this info, Gordon said Culverhouse made the tackle in training that caused Benteke's long term injury, Gordon then had a go at Culverhouse about it who got very aggressive, Gabby and Fabian got involved against Culverhouse which led to Karsa diving in, this led to a full on fight which eventually led to the club suspensions.I didn't think Sid was working with the first team when this happened, so why would he have been in a position to get involved?
If lambert os sticking around (which I strongly doubt) he could do worse than get mike Phelan and Steve Clarke on board. Both grata coaches/assistant managers
I would love either in as a coach, however I doubt he will as it would be the equivalent of hiring your replacement, especially with Clarke.
I dont claim for one minute to be in the know but a mate of mine at work knows an ex football man who knows Gordon Cowans who gave him this info, Gordon said Culverhouse made the tackle in training that caused Benteke's long term injury, Gordon then had a go at Culverhouse about it who got very aggressive, Gabby and Fabian got involved against Culverhouse which led to Karsa diving in, this led to a full on fight which eventually led to the club suspensions.I didn't think Sid was working with the first team when this happened, so why would he have been in a position to get involved?
He is here. He is there. He is every fkin where.
If lambert os sticking around (which I strongly doubt) he could do worse than get mike Phelan and Steve Clarke on board. Both grata coaches/assistant managers
I would love either in as a coach, however I doubt he will as it would be the equivalent of hiring your replacement, especially with Clarke.
Yeah I agree, was just romanticising about what could be a good thing in a bad situation
If lambert os sticking around (which I strongly doubt) he could do worse than get mike Phelan and Steve Clarke on board. Both grata coaches/assistant managers
I would love either in as a coach, however I doubt he will as it would be the equivalent of hiring your replacement, especially with Clarke.
Yeah I agree, was just romanticising about what could be a good thing in a bad situation
Clarke would not go back to being a number 2 I don't think. I said to my dad the other week we should go and get Mike Phelan as number 2. I thought about Rene Muelensteen but it would be the same as Clarke. I also thought maybe Saunders, who has been a number 2 before and might be tempted if it was Villa coming calling.
Platt is, was and always will be an arrogant tosser. The fact that he used to wear a villa shirt doesn't change that. We were just a stepping stone in his career.If lambert os sticking around (which I strongly doubt) he could do worse than get mike Phelan and Steve Clarke on board. Both grata coaches/assistant managers
I would love either in as a coach, however I doubt he will as it would be the equivalent of hiring your replacement, especially with Clarke.
Yeah I agree, was just romanticising about what could be a good thing in a bad situation
Clarke would not go back to being a number 2 I don't think. I said to my dad the other week we should go and get Mike Phelan as number 2. I thought about Rene Muelensteen but it would be the same as Clarke. I also thought maybe Saunders, who has been a number 2 before and might be tempted if it was Villa coming calling.
I agree. I asked platt on twitter today and he said, not interested. Wanker. Never understood his dislike of the villa given the opportunity he had with us. It made him
Platt is, was and always will be an arrogant tosser. The fact that he used to wear a villa shirt doesn't change that. We were just a stepping stone in his career.If lambert os sticking around (which I strongly doubt) he could do worse than get mike Phelan and Steve Clarke on board. Both grata coaches/assistant managers
I would love either in as a coach, however I doubt he will as it would be the equivalent of hiring your replacement, especially with Clarke.
Yeah I agree, was just romanticising about what could be a good thing in a bad situation
Clarke would not go back to being a number 2 I don't think. I said to my dad the other week we should go and get Mike Phelan as number 2. I thought about Rene Muelensteen but it would be the same as Clarke. I also thought maybe Saunders, who has been a number 2 before and might be tempted if it was Villa coming calling.
I agree. I asked platt on twitter today and he said, not interested. Wanker. Never understood his dislike of the villa given the opportunity he had with us. It made him
Platt is, was and always will be an arrogant tosser. The fact that he used to wear a villa shirt doesn't change that. We were just a stepping stone in his career.If lambert os sticking around (which I strongly doubt) he could do worse than get mike Phelan and Steve Clarke on board. Both grata coaches/assistant managers
I would love either in as a coach, however I doubt he will as it would be the equivalent of hiring your replacement, especially with Clarke.
Yeah I agree, was just romanticising about what could be a good thing in a bad situation
Clarke would not go back to being a number 2 I don't think. I said to my dad the other week we should go and get Mike Phelan as number 2. I thought about Rene Muelensteen but it would be the same as Clarke. I also thought maybe Saunders, who has been a number 2 before and might be tempted if it was Villa coming calling.
I agree. I asked platt on twitter today and he said, not interested. Wanker. Never understood his dislike of the villa given the opportunity he had with us. It made him
On top of that he is a burger faced twat and I would not want him near our club
Platt is, was and always will be an arrogant tosser. The fact that he used to wear a villa shirt doesn't change that. We were just a stepping stone in his career.If lambert os sticking around (which I strongly doubt) he could do worse than get mike Phelan and Steve Clarke on board. Both grata coaches/assistant managers
I would love either in as a coach, however I doubt he will as it would be the equivalent of hiring your replacement, especially with Clarke.
Yeah I agree, was just romanticising about what could be a good thing in a bad situation
Clarke would not go back to being a number 2 I don't think. I said to my dad the other week we should go and get Mike Phelan as number 2. I thought about Rene Muelensteen but it would be the same as Clarke. I also thought maybe Saunders, who has been a number 2 before and might be tempted if it was Villa coming calling.
I agree. I asked platt on twitter today and he said, not interested. Wanker. Never understood his dislike of the villa given the opportunity he had with us. It made him
Not being interested doesn't necessarily make him a wanker. Perhaps he has ambitions of being a manger himself or just doesn't fancy working as an assistant for Lambert. Let's be honest, it's very strange for a manager to employ a complete stranger as his number 2.
Whenever that last minute England goal against Belgium is shown, it always brings a tear to my eye and I'm still proud a Villa player scored that goal. However, the fact that from that point onward he was learning Italian and now never gives the club the time of the day means he can fuck right off.
I've always wondered if Doug cashed in from Bari when Platt wanted a bigger club to go to and that is what pissed him off.
I too can't stand Platt. I was too young for his playing exploits. Suppose it's a bit like someone like Milner or Ian Taylor slagging us off after retiring.
Yeah i think we we're just a stepping stone for him, i suppose like a lot of players he out grew us, the summer of Italia 90 in a position of strength we bought no one, and then he virtually kept us up single handed...still a bit of a tool though.
I'm not so sure a job at Villa is a poisoned chalice as such. More a mild laxative. There's money to be earned and the circumstances would allow a coach/manager to distance himself from failure.
Just look at the sudden wave of sympathy Lambert seems to be getting. He was Genghis Khan a couple of weeks ago, now without even a game being played one piss-up in New York has allowed him to position himself alongside Mary Poppins.
I'm not so sure a job at Villa is a poisoned chalice as such. More a mild laxative. There's money to be earned and the circumstances would allow a coach/manager to distance himself from failure.
Just look at the sudden wave of sympathy Lambert seems to be getting. He was Genghis Khan a couple of weeks ago, now without even a game being played one piss-up in New York has allowed him to position himself alongside Mary Poppins.
I blame Roltas tireless work and Herculean essays.
I too can't stand Platt. I was too young for his playing exploits. Suppose it's a bit like someone like Milner or Ian Taylor slagging us off after retiring.
I don't think he ever slagged us off. It's just that he doesn't acknowledge us in any way. I always felt we were more than good to him as fans, and he was a true to star player in Sir Graham's team that got promoted and nearly won the title. I always felt that once he made a name for himself we became little Aston Villa and he wanted nothing to do with us. Shame really.
Met him when working just off Tottenham court road few weeks back shook his hand thanked him for his time at the villa but got no response back about the villa. Wanted direction
towards the langham hotel so pointed him in wrong direction.
If you don't wanna chat bout the villa then sod ya.
Same week met lord Coe griff Rhys jones and all black legend Sean Fitzpatrick the guy is fucking huge and a gentleman to.
I too can't stand Platt. I was too young for his playing exploits. Suppose it's a bit like someone like Milner or Ian Taylor slagging us off after retiring.
I don't think he ever slagged us off. It's just that he doesn't acknowledge us in any way. I always felt we were more than good to him as fans, and he was a true to star player in Sir Graham's team that got promoted and nearly won the title. I always felt that once he made a name for himself we became little Aston Villa and he wanted nothing to do with us. Shame really.
Crewe fans said the same about when he left them.
Whenever that last minute England goal against Belgium is shown, it always brings a tear to my eye and I'm still proud a Villa player scored that goal. However, the fact that from that point onward he was learning Italian and now never gives the club the time of the day means he can fuck right off.
I've always wondered if Doug cashed in from Bari when Platt wanted a bigger club to go to and that is what pissed him off.
I think it was the fans response to him when he returned that may have pissed him off, or that he has a big moon face?
I too can't stand Platt. I was too young for his playing exploits. Suppose it's a bit like someone like Milner or Ian Taylor slagging us off after retiring.
I don't think he ever slagged us off. It's just that he doesn't acknowledge us in any way. I always felt we were more than good to him as fans, and he was a true to star player in Sir Graham's team that got promoted and nearly won the title. I always felt that once he made a name for himself we became little Aston Villa and he wanted nothing to do with us. Shame really.
Crewe fans said the same about when he left them.
I can vouch for that. They remember Geoff Thomas far more fondly
Couldn't care less that Platt isn't a cheerleader for Villa the way Ian Taylor is. It means nothing to me because he was fuckin ace in a Villa shirt and at the end of the day that's all that matters.
I too can't stand Platt. I was too young for his playing exploits. Suppose it's a bit like someone like Milner or Ian Taylor slagging us off after retiring.
I don't think he ever slagged us off. It's just that he doesn't acknowledge us in any way. I always felt we were more than good to him as fans, and he was a true to star player in Sir Graham's team that got promoted and nearly won the title. I always felt that once he made a name for himself we became little Aston Villa and he wanted nothing to do with us. Shame really.
Couldn't care less that Platt isn't a cheerleader for Villa the way Ian Taylor is. It means nothing to me because he was fuckin ace in a Villa shirt and at the end of the day that's all that matters.
Couldn't care less that Platt isn't a cheerleader for Villa the way Ian Taylor is. It means nothing to me because he was fuckin ace in a Villa shirt and at the end of the day that's all that matters.
Doesn't Platt often refer to himself in the third person ? That's always a tell tale sign of a major bell end.
Couldn't care less that Platt isn't a cheerleader for Villa the way Ian Taylor is. It means nothing to me because he was fuckin ace in a Villa shirt and at the end of the day that's all that matters.
So were Taylor and Milner. Infact watching some of the mid 90s season reviews over the last few weeks that Deano's Mullet was posting reminded me of what a good midfielder Taylor was, always popping up with crucial goals in our euro and cup runs in the 90s.
Couldn't care less that Platt isn't a cheerleader for Villa the way Ian Taylor is. It means nothing to me because he was fuckin ace in a Villa shirt and at the end of the day that's all that matters.
So were Taylor and Milner. Infact watching some of the mid 90s season reviews over the last few weeks that Deano's Mullet was posting reminded me of what a good midfielder Taylor was, always popping up with crucial goals in our euro and cup runs in the 90s.
Taylor and Milner weren't fit to lace Platt's boots as a Villa player.
Couldn't care less that Platt isn't a cheerleader for Villa the way Ian Taylor is. It means nothing to me because he was fuckin ace in a Villa shirt and at the end of the day that's all that matters.
So were Taylor and Milner. Infact watching some of the mid 90s season reviews over the last few weeks that Deano's Mullet was posting reminded me of what a good midfielder Taylor was, always popping up with crucial goals in our euro and cup runs in the 90s.
Taylor and Milner weren't fit to lace Platt's boots as a Villa player.
God forbid Ian Taylor ever went into management and got the Villa gig. Imagine what it would be like on here with some individuals if he failed.
As it stands, for me, Ian Taylor is Mr Aston Villa. A very humble, down-to- earth man, personable and Villa to the core.
I would respectfully suggest that managers are as well paid as they are is because their employers see their ability to manage and to move the club forward.
God forbid Ian Taylor ever went into management and got the Villa gig. Imagine what it would be like on here with some individuals if he failed.
As it stands, for me, Ian Taylor is Mr Aston Villa. A very humble, down-to- earth man, personable and Villa to the core.
One of the reasons managers are so well paid is because of the grief they get if they fail. It comes with the territory. Taylor can do no wrong while he is a paid ambassador of the club, he can't fail!
God forbid Ian Taylor ever went into management and got the Villa gig. Imagine what it would be like on here with some individuals if he failed.
As it stands, for me, Ian Taylor is Mr Aston Villa. A very humble, down-to- earth man, personable and Villa to the core.
One of the reasons managers are so well paid is because of the grief they get if they fail. It comes with the territory. Taylor can do no wrong while he is a paid ambassador of the club, he can't fail!
This is definitely made up.
God forbid Ian Taylor ever went into management and got the Villa gig. Imagine what it would be like on here with some individuals if he failed.
As it stands, for me, Ian Taylor is Mr Aston Villa. A very humble, down-to- earth man, personable and Villa to the core.
One of the reasons managers are so well paid is because of the grief they get if they fail. It comes with the territory. Taylor can do no wrong while he is a paid ambassador of the club, he can't fail!
This is definitely made up.
I think it's a fair enough point. It isn't necessarily a direct relationship but it is one of the things that make up the equation in football.
The downside of being a manager is getting grief, having people tell you how to do your job all the time, putting up with insane chairmen and cossetted 20 something millionaires, being under the microscope so much, constantly being at risk of the sack if you pick up a few duff results ... all those things.
The positives are you are hugely paid, you get plenty of free time, you're doing something you love, you're famous etc etc etc.
God forbid Ian Taylor ever went into management and got the Villa gig. Imagine what it would be like on here with some individuals if he failed.
As it stands, for me, Ian Taylor is Mr Aston Villa. A very humble, down-to- earth man, personable and Villa to the core.
One of the reasons managers are so well paid is because of the grief they get if they fail. It comes with the territory. Taylor can do no wrong while he is a paid ambassador of the club, he can't fail!
This is definitely made up.
I think it's a fair enough point. It isn't necessarily a direct relationship but it is one of the things that make up the equation in football.
The downside of being a manager is getting grief, having people tell you how to do your job all the time, putting up with insane chairmen and cossetted 20 something millionaires, being under the microscope so much, constantly being at risk of the sack if you pick up a few duff results ... all those things.
The positives are you are hugely paid, you get plenty of free time, you're doing something you love, you're famous etc etc etc.
It's still made up. They do a high pressure job where they get paid plenty because they are dealing with a multi-million pound business. The fact that they get stick is irrelevant to the actual job and it's loony to say they get paid more because of getting stick (I think)! Seems a totally warped way at looking at it to me :o
If they fail, they get a handsome pay-off.
If they fail, they get a handsome pay-off.
Indeed, which is the best indicator you need of how being a football manager is totally incomparable with just about every other kind of job.
If they fail, they get a handsome pay-off.
Any news on possible replacements for the evil duo? Billy Stark ,Scotland's under 21 coach was muted a few weeks ago,listened to him on Sky today and he seemed decent?
Any news on possible replacements for the evil duo? Billy Stark ,Scotland's under 21 coach was muted a few weeks ago,listened to him on Sky today and he seemed decent?
How did you listen to him if he was muted?
new assistant close to being named, apparently; and according to people on VT it's a biggie .
new assistant close to being named, apparently; and according to people on VT it's a biggie .
Any news on possible replacements for the evil duo? Billy Stark ,Scotland's under 21 coach was muted a few weeks ago,listened to him on Sky today and he seemed decent?
How did you listen to him if he was muted?
new assistant close to being named, apparently; and according to people on VT it's a biggie .
If it's a biggie does it mean it gives us the chance to quickly pot Lambert if we have a) a poor start to the season and b) the takeover still hasn't occurred knowing there's a reasonably capable assistant who can takeover as manager.
I'll guess at Steve Clarke.
Blimey, that would be very unpleasant shock.new assistant close to being named, apparently; and according to people on VT it's a biggie .
If it's a biggie does it mean it gives us the chance to quickly pot Lambert if we have a) a poor start to the season and b) the takeover still hasn't occurred knowing there's a reasonably capable assistant who can takeover as manager.
I'll guess at Steve Clarke.
Some chap on a Celtic forum earlier reckoned that it was Roy Keane.
new assistant close to being named, apparently; and according to people on VT it's a biggie .
new assistant close to being named, apparently; and according to people on VT it's a biggie .
Russell Slade, Steve Evans or Biggie Smalls
new assistant close to being named, apparently; and according to people on VT it's a biggie .
If it's a biggie does it mean it gives us the chance to quickly pot Lambert if we have a) a poor start to the season and b) the takeover still hasn't occurred knowing there's a reasonably capable assistant who can takeover as manager.
I'll guess at Steve Clarke.
Some chap on a Celtic forum earlier reckoned that it was Roy Keane.
new assistant close to being named, apparently; and according to people on VT it's a biggie .
If it's a biggie does it mean it gives us the chance to quickly pot Lambert if we have a) a poor start to the season and b) the takeover still hasn't occurred knowing there's a reasonably capable assistant who can takeover as manager.
I'll guess at Steve Clarke.
Some chap on a Celtic forum earlier reckoned that it was Roy Keane.
Not sure why he'd turn down the Celtic job to then be a number 2 somewhere else seeing as he's a number two with ROI anyway.
Aston Villa chase Roy Keane to be Paul Lambert's new assistant manager
Ireland No.2 is tempted as he would be allowed to continue working with his homeland's national team AND as a television pundit
Jun 02, 2014 20:21
By James Nursey
Roy Keane is considering a shock move to Aston Villa to become manager Paul Lambert’s new assistant.
Keane is tempted, as it would enable him to continue working for the Republic of Ireland national team under Martin O’Neill and also remain as an ITV pundit.
The news comes on the same day that former Manchester United captain turned down the chance to manage Scottish champions Celtic in his own right.
MirrorSport understands O’Neill’s assistant is reluctant to walk out on his country again, following his infamous bust-up at the 2002 World Cup.
But the 42-year-old is pals with Lambert, who is forming a new back-room staff after Villa sacked Ian Culverhouse and Gary Karsa. The duo were dismissed last month following an investigation into allegations of bullying – as revealed by MirrorSport.
Now, Lambert is trying to bring in Keane to shake up the cash-strapped Midlands outfit, who finished 15th last month for a second successive season under him.
The Scot does not have huge resources to invest after owner Randy Lerner put the club up for sale.
Former Sunderland and Ipswich manager Keane returned to football as O’Neill’s assistant in November.
Prior to that, his last involvement with his country was when he sensationally walked out as a player before the finals in Japan and South Korea.
Keane is not yet ready to sever ties with Ireland again. He is due to fly out on Wednesday to America for their friendlies against World Cup-bound sides Costa Rica and Portugal.
Lambert, who is having to wheel and deal and rely on Bosmans to strengthen his squad, is hoping to sign former Arsenal defender Philippe Senderos on a Bosman.
The 29-year-old is a free agent after leaving Fulham via a brief spell in Spain with Valencia.
He is due to play for Switzerland on Tuesday in a friendly against Peru and Villa hope to clinch his signing later in the week.
The experienced stopper would potentially form a new defensive partnership with Ron Vlaar and compete with fit-again Jores Okore.
In fairness, Senderos looks a little bit like Vlaar, so that at least might confuse strikers we play against. Like the twins in The Shining.
In fairness, Senderos looks a little bit like Vlaar, so that at least might confuse strikers we play against. Like the twins in The Shining.
In fairness, Senderos looks a little bit like Vlaar, so that at least might confuse strikers we play against. Like the twins in The Shining.
Peggy Mitchell would be of even more use
well I suppose whilst we're at it let's get Sam Mitchell in too.Which one? Nose or no nose?
Does anyone remember the giant billboard posters Ansells put up in the city around 74/76 time?
It was a massive picture of a packed Holte End with the words 'Ansells Bittermen You Can't Beat 'em' underneath.
Then we would have to get Ansell back on the board.